| 00:00.07 | thingfish | my dad hunts them, they're delicious. |
| 00:00.07 | drac | FAbZ: try /join #beginners |
| 00:00.10 | jazzmanss | ok du > /name of file 1 ; sleep number-of-seconds ;du > /name of file2 ; diff /file1 /file2 is helping. Now at least I can compare the du. Hopefully once I set a long enough sleep, It will show differences in filesize. |
| 00:00.13 | streuner_ | FAbZ: /msg chanserv help |
| 00:00.15 | orchid | FAbZ: /help list |
| 00:00.19 | pipeline | MacDaddy: But you should probably "apt-get --purge remove" all the packages you upgraded to experimental. |
| 00:00.20 | MacDaddy | jbr, Oh, that make sence. Delete and reinstall then? |
| 00:00.23 | thingfish | I just wish I lived where we could get truffles. |
| 00:00.24 | FAbZ | ok thnx |
| 00:00.40 | streuner_ | FAbZ: www.irchelp.org |
| 00:00.48 | jbr | MacDaddy: mere removes might cause problems; full purges are safer |
| 00:00.53 | MacDaddy | pipeline, Those would be all....unless, dependances. |
| 00:01.27 | FAbZ | I need a chilean server, or anyone in spanish?, can helpme to find one plis? |
| 00:01.33 | jazzmanss | if the above is done with correct syntax, and I get no output, that means there was no difference between files right? |
| 00:01.42 | citral | !spanish |
| 00:01.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:01.50 | MacDaddy | thingfish, What no truffles in hell? Just kidding. |
| 00:01.51 | FAbZ | ok thnx |
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| 00:02.30 | MacDaddy | Full purges get the config files right? |
| 00:02.49 | thingfish | MacDaddy: you hurt my feelings. |
| 00:02.53 | *** part/#debian jcole (~jcole@roswebproxy2.core.hp.com) |
| 00:02.55 | kurumin | Is Debian easy, friend? |
| 00:03.01 | *** part/#debian virutass (~carlos@81.168.12.40) |
| 00:03.15 | thingfish | Debian is easy as pie. |
| 00:03.16 | streuner_ | kurumin: yes - you just need a brain. |
| 00:03.24 | kurumin | thank you |
| 00:03.24 | MacDaddy | thingfish, See that's what i get for TRYING to add some humor. |
| 00:03.28 | thingfish | lol |
| 00:03.30 | kurumin | in debian.org? |
| 00:03.42 | FAbZ | in window, to copy a disk i was using clone cd, what program do the same thing, for linux¿ |
| 00:03.47 | kurumin | i consegue a download? |
| 00:04.04 | streuner_ | !tell kurumin about d-i |
| 00:04.08 | thingfish | kurumin: I would recommend getting debian-installer and doing it that way. |
| 00:04.09 | MacDaddy | thingfish, Yeah, her kinda pie! Yea I said it, sorry... |
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| 00:04.20 | thingfish | MacDaddy: oh you nasty. |
| 00:04.34 | orchid | ... |
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| 00:05.00 | cafuego | FAbZ: 'cdrdao' |
| 00:05.13 | MacDaddy | thingfish, What? I like cherry pie. What you talkin? |
| 00:05.15 | nvz | gawd, this girl is making me cut snowflakes out of coffee filters |
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| 00:05.18 | thingfish | lol |
| 00:05.25 | nvz | why cant kids do less messy things |
| 00:05.36 | cafuego | !tell nvz about saying no |
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| 00:05.43 | thingfish | lol |
| 00:05.47 | cafuego | !tell nvz about responsible parenting |
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| 00:05.56 | ralobao | how do i install appolon + gtunella acess using apt-get only ? |
| 00:05.58 | MacDaddy | I love it when girls "make" me do things. :) |
| 00:05.59 | Defenestrator | huh... I can't get hostap to compile in debian on my laptop. "module installation directory not valid: '/usr/src/modules/hostap-source/debian/hostap-modules-2.6.10/lib/modules/2.6.10-1' |
| 00:06.01 | nvz | !tell cafuego about nvz isnt a parent |
| 00:06.02 | cafuego | !tell nvz about the society for voluntary human extinction |
| 00:06.11 | thingfish | I hope you're using filters made from recycled materials! |
| 00:06.15 | cafuego | nvz: you STOLE someones child? |
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| 00:06.44 | gilles | hi |
| 00:06.57 | gilles | what does m17n mean ? |
| 00:06.58 | nvz | cafuego: nope I am "En locos parantes" or however you say that.. her father just runs off all the time |
| 00:07.04 | nvz | doesnt pay any attention to her |
| 00:07.07 | Defenestrator | using make-kpkg modules_image |
| 00:07.08 | FieldySnuts | hm, if a "girl" "makes" a man do something, he's probably not a man. |
| 00:07.12 | thingfish | that's terrible |
| 00:07.15 | cafuego | nvz: When he comes to pick her up, tell him you sold her on ebay. |
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| 00:07.22 | thingfish | if I had a child, I think I would treat it right. |
| 00:07.38 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: You're not now or have even been married, have you? |
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| 00:07.53 | FieldySnuts | oh look what time it is, brb |
| 00:08.08 | nvz | If I had a child, I would have god's 1-800 # on speed dial |
| 00:08.18 | thingfish | well I'm glad I got you all to loosen up a bit, sheesh. |
| 00:08.25 | cafuego | if I had a child I'd get neutered |
| 00:08.29 | thingfish | tsk |
| 00:08.31 | nvz | heh |
| 00:08.32 | thingfish | don't say that |
| 00:08.34 | cafuego | and then get rid of it |
| 00:08.38 | Delph | cafuego: good plan. |
| 00:08.39 | thingfish | gasp! |
| 00:08.52 | pipeline | cafuego: I think we all feel better for knowing that. |
| 00:08.55 | nvz | anyone who hates kids an dogs, cant be all that bad |
| 00:08.57 | Delph | the world would be a lot better if there were far fewer kids around. |
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| 00:09.15 | Delph | some sort of low level irradiation that made 98% of men sterile would be good. |
| 00:09.17 | cafuego | nvz: Dogs are great. |
| 00:09.20 | Bedad | is there any safe options (or reasonable safe options) in being able to write to my ntfs partition, i know 2.6. kernel contains testing abilities to be able to write to ntfs and read etc, but i have mounted the ntfs as rw but it still remains as readonly |
| 00:09.23 | FieldySnuts | haha Delph |
| 00:09.29 | pipeline | I don't like kids or dogs. |
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| 00:09.34 | thingfish | I have two persians, that's plenty of children. |
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| 00:09.45 | cafuego | Delph: You don't know _why_ Chernobyl blew up, do you? ;-) |
| 00:09.45 | FieldySnuts | Bedad: short answer, no. |
| 00:09.55 | Delph | cafuego: sadly it didn't seem to work in london. |
| 00:09.56 | FieldySnuts | Bedad: don't let people tell you captive ntfs, either. |
| 00:09.56 | thingfish | I have to comb them out every day and remove their buggers. |
| 00:09.58 | pipeline | Delgul_at_work: Better to sterilize the women -- They can't have ten kids a year. |
| 00:10.00 | Delph | Bedad: really, no. |
| 00:13.23 | thingfish | or is that boogers. |
| 00:13.23 | pipeline | Bedad: It's perfectly safe to write. It's just worthless. |
| 00:13.23 | Delph | Bedad: generally you're a lot better off not using ntfs |
| 00:13.23 | gilles | I s it possible to use a wifi pcmcia card (netgear) on debian ? |
| 00:13.23 | FieldySnuts | Bedad: if for some reason you decide to try, have full backups. chances are very high you'll lose it. |
| 00:13.23 | cafuego | Delph: Must have been the rising heat from their WARM BEER carrying the fall-out elsewhere. |
| 00:13.23 | pipeline | Bedad: You can't change the length of a file, you can't rename or move files, you can't create new files, and you can't delete files. |
| 00:13.24 | FieldySnuts | aka useless |
| 00:13.24 | Delph | cafuego: that sounded like it was meant to be an insult, but i'm not quite sure why... |
| 00:13.24 | pipeline | Bedad: Within a fixed file size, write to your heart's content. |
| 00:13.24 | MacDaddy | I install, say testing/Sid mixed. THEN , I add packs here and packs there to get tasks done. I also tweak the heck out of the control pannels. Then I get brave and try something new and bam! It is then easier to reinstall fresh BUT the whole process starts all over again. How do I aviod this? |
| 00:13.24 | Bedad | oh crap |
| 00:13.24 | cafuego | Delph: <heh> |
| 00:13.24 | pipeline | MacDaddy: Don't do stupid things. |
| 00:13.24 | Bedad | just need to transfer some files, quite tedius using cd's |
| 00:13.24 | rpetre | gilles: i heard that ndiswrapper might work when everything else fails |
| 00:13.24 | FieldySnuts | @ndiswrapper |
| 00:13.24 | Delph | MacDaddy: dont mix half and half... |
| 00:13.24 | Bedad | but if that's the way it has to be then tough crap relaly |
| 00:13.24 | FieldySnuts | gah |
| 00:13.24 | pipeline | gilles: Probably, but it'll be a pain in the ass. |
| 00:13.24 | Delph | MacDaddy: keep your config files in CVS... |
| 00:13.24 | cafuego | MacDaddy: Youa void it by just running sarge. |
| 00:13.24 | Delph | uhhm, anything else of use. |
| 00:13.24 | pipeline | Bedad: If you want to share a filesystem between linux and windows, use ext2 and get ahold of the NT ext2 IFS |
| 00:13.24 | MacDaddy | Yeah but the rub is you don'r know it is "stupid" until it's too late! |
| 00:13.24 | MacDaddy | Why not mix? |
| 00:13.25 | cafuego | MacDaddy: I'm sure people here would have told you, if you had asked. |
| 00:13.25 | Delph | MacDaddy: i believe there were the warnings... |
| 00:13.25 | warhead | I use kernel 2.6.7, And when I try rip audio CD,I have error in k3b "Could not open device /dev/scd0", but when I try laik root user all is ok. I check read/write perm. and that is ok, soo what is real problem? |
| 00:13.25 | Delph | at least i've seen them from time to time. |
| 00:13.25 | thingfish | does that sound like a smart thing to do, MacDaddy? |
| 00:13.25 | rpetre | Bedad: or vmware with raw partition ;) |
| 00:13.25 | pipeline | MacDaddy: Mixing in itself was stupid. |
| 00:13.26 | Bedad | yeh i dont know much about vmware, i know it's a virtual machine, that can run windows and linux |
| 00:13.26 | Bedad | but i dont understand the concept, do they run at the same time? |
| 00:13.26 | pipeline | Bedad: VMware is very expensive. |
| 00:13.26 | petemc | qemu works well |
| 00:13.26 | pipeline | Bedad: It's an emulator, like a nintendo emulator. |
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| 00:13.29 | Bedad | oh |
| 00:13.30 | MacDaddy | So I'm the only one? :( |
| 00:13.32 | Delph | Bedad: its like usermode linux: you run another OS as a userland process. |
| 00:13.34 | cafuego | Bedad: vmware pretends to be a PC, so you can run a second OS in a window in the first one. |
| 00:13.43 | pipeline | MacDaddy: You're the only one stupid enough to try that in the first place. Bad user, bad! |
| 00:13.44 | cafuego | MacDaddy: Seems that way. |
| 00:13.47 | Bedad | i see |
| 00:13.53 | MacDaddy | LOL |
| 00:13.55 | Bedad | so basically you run an os inside the other one |
| 00:14.00 | cafuego | Bedad: *nod* |
| 00:14.01 | pipeline | Not exactly. |
| 00:14.04 | pipeline | It's an emulator. |
| 00:14.10 | pipeline | You can run anything you want on the VMware system. |
| 00:14.11 | Bedad | hmm so it looks like it's running an os |
| 00:14.15 | pipeline | It emulates a full system. |
| 00:14.15 | cafuego | Bedad: You run OS #2 in an application in OS #1 |
| 00:14.17 | Bedad | but it's vmware |
| 00:14.20 | Defenestrator | maybe I should just try the -mm kernel, since it seems to have it built in |
| 00:14.20 | Bedad | looking like an os? |
| 00:14.28 | Delph | well, no, because doesn't vmware do it a bit faster by having magic recompilation and dynamic lala so its not really an emulator? |
| 00:14.41 | pipeline | Bedad: VMware pretends to be an entirely separate machine, with its own hardware and its own network connection etc. |
| 00:14.48 | cafuego | Bedad: In theory you can install vmare in OS #2 and run OS #3 in there. |
| 00:15.05 | cafuego | Bedad: ... etc cetera. In practice is gets a bit slow, though. Emulation isn't quick. |
| 00:15.14 | pipeline | VMware takes a lot of shortcuts. |
| 00:15.17 | pipeline | It's faster than say, simics |
| 00:15.17 | rpetre | Bedad: start here: http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/ws_features.html |
| 00:15.18 | thingfish | you needs lots ram |
| 00:15.29 | P-K | What package do I install for gtk? |
| 00:15.34 | pipeline | P-K: gnome-core |
| 00:15.37 | MacDaddy | Isn't the problem with vmware (besides price), that it take double your resourses and things might be too sandboxed for your liking? |
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| 00:15.40 | cafuego | Bedad: Are you planning on running vmware in Windows or in Linux? |
| 00:15.49 | FAbZ | who is using knoppix 3.7 now????????? |
| 00:16.03 | Bedad | well i dont know if i will buy it yet, but i have heard about it but never understood how it works |
| 00:16.09 | cafuego | FAbZ: NoBOdYY on HeRE S|nCE th|s i5 #DEBIAN |
| 00:16.12 | Bedad | i was more curious for learning purposes really |
| 00:16.15 | cafuego | !stab FAbZ |
| 00:16.18 | citral | FAbZ: ask in #knoppix |
| 00:16.21 | thingfish | do old hippies use debian? |
| 00:16.22 | Delph | cafuego: you missed the "111one" |
| 00:16.29 | citral | thingfish: yeah |
| 00:16.30 | thingfish | I hope so. |
| 00:16.32 | thingfish | yay! |
| 00:16.32 | jazzmanss | FabZ I just booted out of knoppix 3.7 ten minutes ago. :( sorry. |
| 00:16.33 | baronsamedi | thingfish: young nasty students types too *g* |
| 00:16.34 | Bedad | thingfish, no, serial killers only, old hippies is the second door on the right |
| 00:16.40 | thingfish | damn! |
| 00:16.57 | P-K | pipeline - I have gnome-core installed. I am trying to install nessusd and during compile it says that GTK is not installed. |
| 00:16.58 | pipeline | Bedad: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm -- a free ext2 implementation for NT. There's a better one by Paragon, but it's expensive. |
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| 00:17.07 | pipeline | P-K: You have to install the -dev packages. |
| 00:17.10 | MacDaddy | Is win4lin worth a darn? |
| 00:17.10 | jazzmanss | FabZ, try #knoppix. |
| 00:17.11 | Bedad | pipeline, thanks |
| 00:17.22 | cafuego | The paragon one (v2.5) got bundled with an aussie PC mag a year or 2 ago. i got the freebie :-) |
| 00:17.38 | streuner_ | thingfish: no - they used to hanging around woodstock and smoking wired stuff all the time, computers aren't good for them ;-) |
| 00:17.42 | cafuego | MacDaddy: At the end of the day all emulation is shit. |
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| 00:18.10 | pipeline | MacDaddy: No. |
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| 00:18.14 | thingfish | streuner_ lol sorry, too late, us old hippies love the computers! |
| 00:18.29 | thingfish | although I must confess I never did make it to woodstock. |
| 00:18.34 | MacDaddy | cafuego, I tend to agree (in principle) but what about Quickbooks? |
| 00:18.42 | Bogaurd | argh now my apache wont even launch anymore |
| 00:18.45 | thingfish | I did see Iggy Pop once, though! |
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| 00:18.47 | Bogaurd | whats wrong with this :'( |
| 00:18.54 | cafuego | MacDaddy: The only one that doesn't completely suck arse is 'mol'. |
| 00:18.54 | gilles | how can i see if my pcmcia devices are detected or net ? |
| 00:19.00 | pipeline | P-K: I think you want "gnome-core-devel" |
| 00:19.06 | MacDaddy | What the H is mol? |
| 00:19.10 | cafuego | MacDaddy: Considering your nick, you shoudl give it a go. |
| 00:19.13 | P-K | I have libgtk2.0.2 and libgtk2.0-dev installed |
| 00:19.14 | cafuego | MacDaddy: Mac On Linux |
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| 00:19.20 | citral | MacDaddy: mac on linux |
| 00:19.24 | P-K | pipeline - ok let me try that |
| 00:19.26 | cafuego | MacDaddy: Runs MacOS 9 - 10.X under Linux |
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| 00:19.34 | Atholas | I just upgraded from testing to unstable and I noticed that /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version in particular did not change to reflect the upgrade. Why is this? |
| 00:19.37 | cafuego | Linux PPC, that is. |
| 00:19.42 | citral | or one of the best if not the best emulator ever |
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| 00:20.09 | cafuego | citral: *nes prolly is ;-) |
| 00:20.14 | thingfish | Atholas: I think if you run unstable you're supposed to be able to answer your own questions. |
| 00:20.17 | citral | ahaha |
| 00:20.17 | CoolPops | How can I determine what *uninstalled* package contains a particular file? |
| 00:20.24 | cafuego | Tho the apple2 emu is good, too. |
| 00:20.32 | cafuego | Runs a bit quick on an AMD64 though |
| 00:20.40 | doub | CoolPops: you can search on packages.debian.org |
| 00:20.45 | Bogaurd | Syntax error on line 211 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf: |
| 00:20.45 | cafuego | CoolPops: apt-file |
| 00:20.46 | Bogaurd | Invalid command 'ExtendedStatus', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 00:20.55 | cafuego | Bogaurd: Load mod_status |
| 00:20.55 | Bogaurd | if i comment that out |
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| 00:21.04 | Bogaurd | it has probs with other stuff |
| 00:21.11 | P-K | pipeline - there isnt a gnome-core-devel package :( |
| 00:21.29 | pipeline | P-K: Hmm, I have one. |
| 00:21.49 | P-K | in woody ? |
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| 00:21.54 | petemc | cafuego: i wouldnt say all emulation is shit, i use qemu a fair bit with a good measure of success, and OT for here, but i have a dozen emulators on my xbox that all work well |
| 00:22.02 | CoolPops | doub: cafuego: thanks. |
| 00:22.10 | MacDaddy | I doubt Mac on linux would work out as one of Mac's pros are hardware (limited) integration. |
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| 00:22.23 | Bogaurd | cafuego, do you post on whirlpool.net.au? |
| 00:22.29 | cafuego | petemc: Let me narrow it down to "Emulators that emulate modern PC operating systems and expect users to do actual work on them" |
| 00:22.32 | thingfish | I keep wanting to make a sentence using the words "sarge" and "woody". |
| 00:22.32 | pipeline | MacDaddy: What are you talking about? It works now. On any PPC system. |
| 00:22.33 | cafuego | Bogaurd: indeed |
| 00:22.34 | MacDaddy | I am NOT a Mac fan or user BTW |
| 00:22.38 | petemc | cafuego: sounds fair :) |
| 00:22.53 | Bogaurd | cafuego, ive used your internode useage meter script for ages :) |
| 00:23.01 | cafuego | Bogaurd: Good! :-) |
| 00:23.09 | Bogaurd | but at the moment, i cant use anything :'( |
| 00:23.13 | Bogaurd | nothing is working |
| 00:23.20 | Bogaurd | cant even start apache now |
| 00:23.22 | daveo | any clues why I'm getting a message that i810 audio is disabled in configuration? I have sarge installed on a sony vaio laptop. Sound worked fine before I had a hard drive failure and had to reinstall |
| 00:23.25 | interalia | cafuego: which usage script is this? |
| 00:23.29 | jazzmanss | thanks for the help guys, Y'all taught me some important stuff today. |
| 00:23.35 | cafuego | Bogaurd: I have a half-finished Firefox XPI status meter for it (sits in the right-hand bottom corner) |
| 00:23.35 | MacDaddy | I think Mac are over priced. limited and at the end of the day are NOT free from system problems either. |
| 00:23.40 | daveo | I get the message during the startup script |
| 00:23.43 | rpetre | thingfish: you could say that the upcoming sarge release gives you a woody :) |
| 00:23.49 | thingfish | :) |
| 00:23.49 | Bogaurd | cafuego, cool |
| 00:23.52 | cafuego | Bogaurd: Did you by any chance disable various modules? |
| 00:23.53 | streuner_ | daveo: OSS? |
| 00:23.53 | citral | MacDaddy: did you ever run debian on an ibook? It's REALLY nice. |
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| 00:24.06 | petemc | i use osx on my powerbook |
| 00:24.13 | streuner_ | daveo: how did you turn the sound even on? |
| 00:24.16 | MacDaddy | citral, That might be interesting. |
| 00:24.18 | daveo | streuner: I have it configured with alsa |
| 00:24.21 | Bogaurd | cafuego, i did nothing :( i just removed apache and stuff to try and start fresh, and now it does this |
| 00:24.26 | Bogaurd | when i have reinstalled it |
| 00:24.27 | thingfish | hey look, I'll take a dual-cpu anything. |
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| 00:24.34 | citral | MacDaddy: good keyboard, silence (no ventilator) and the best LCD screen I ever had |
| 00:24.38 | pipeline | MacDaddy: No GL support of any kind on mac though. |
| 00:24.44 | thingfish | ooh yummy |
| 00:24.46 | streuner_ | daveo: what happens when you run 'alsaconf' another time? |
| 00:24.53 | OleMoudi | what pipeline should I choose in gstreamer preferences if Im using OSS, not ALSA? |
| 00:25.03 | citral | FieldySnuts: you damned lucky man |
| 00:25.03 | thingfish | oh cafuego, you're just no fun at all |
| 00:25.08 | pipeline | OleMoudi: gstreamer preferences? I don't know what you're talking about. |
| 00:25.11 | cafuego | pipeline: GL? |
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| 00:25.23 | pipeline | cafuego: GLX, rather. |
| 00:25.23 | Bogaurd | argh this sucks, i guess i'll have to go back to redhat |
| 00:25.29 | MacDaddy | pipeline, gee i can consider myself mac like then since my DRI isn't working. |
| 00:25.32 | FieldySnuts | @troll Bogaurd |
| 00:25.38 | daveo | streuner: it finds the sound card and seems to configure but still no sound and I still get the error message |
| 00:25.39 | cafuego | pipeline: only, coz my wife's G3 powermac does openGL just fine. |
| 00:25.44 | Bogaurd | i cant get anything to work |
| 00:25.50 | FieldySnuts | user error. everyone else does. |
| 00:25.53 | pipeline | Bogaurd: Nothing wrong with Redhat, but we won't help you with that here. |
| 00:25.56 | cafuego | Bogaurd: How dod you remove? With --purge? |
| 00:26.04 | Bogaurd | just with remove |
| 00:26.19 | pipeline | cafuego: What chipset does it have? Are we talking software GL? I was under the impression that all of the recent iBooks were ATi. |
| 00:26.21 | cafuego | Bogaurd: Ok. Remove again... but use --purge (so the cfg files get trashed too) |
| 00:26.32 | MacDaddy | Bogaurd, Bu Bye now! Joke, no really don't go back. |
| 00:26.38 | cafuego | pipeline: It's got an r128 (not a laptop) |
| 00:26.45 | Bogaurd | MacDaddy, i dont want to |
| 00:26.52 | streuner_ | daveo: uhm, grep /etc/init.d/alsa for the error you got |
| 00:26.58 | pipeline | cafuego: How do you get GLX on a R128, then? Is it supported by the regular DRI tree? |
| 00:26.59 | Bogaurd | but i do need this to work |
| 00:27.06 | MacDaddy | Bogaurd, try MEPIS before you go back. |
| 00:27.07 | Bogaurd | i have to go to uni in like an hour |
| 00:27.12 | FabFidenza | how to write the output in a file ? |
| 00:27.17 | cafuego | pipeline: No, it's got the patched drm-trunk X on it. |
| 00:27.19 | streuner_ | daveo: there should be something in the script which causes this |
| 00:27.26 | MacDaddy | Eventally you will be come back to Sagre |
| 00:27.31 | MacDaddy | Sarge |
| 00:27.39 | cafuego | Bogaurd: It's won't take long. Website backed up? |
| 00:27.45 | Bogaurd | yes |
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| 00:27.53 | cafuego | Bogaurd: Ok. 'dpkg --purge apache' |
| 00:27.55 | daveo | streuner: that's what I'm thinking but I can't find anything |
| 00:27.57 | pipeline | cafuego: This is promising. I never knew about this. |
| 00:28.04 | Bogaurd | done |
| 00:28.05 | thingfish | mepis is ok but it's no substitute for real debian. |
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| 00:28.25 | cafuego | pipeline: The newer ones would use radeon chips; they'll probably be OK under Xorg when that gets merged in. |
| 00:28.28 | streuner_ | daveo: what did you change, it runs ok before? |
| 00:28.38 | cafuego | Bogaurd: What other apache related stuff do you have installed? |
| 00:28.40 | citral | there is NO substitute |
| 00:28.58 | Bogaurd | php4, mysql, php4-mysql |
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| 00:29.07 | cafuego | Bogaurd: Do a 'dpkg -l | grep apache' - purge all that stuff too. |
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| 00:29.10 | daveo | streuner: I didn't think I changed anything. I did a new install because of the hard drive failure |
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| 00:29.28 | Bogaurd | cafuego, ok |
| 00:29.37 | MacDaddy | thingfish, Right but it's a hell of an introduction to debian. |
| 00:29.43 | cafuego | Bogaurd: You can alsu purge php4* (but keep mysql) |
| 00:29.55 | thingfish | MacDaddy: yes it is, in fact it was my intro to debian. |
| 00:30.12 | MacDaddy | ....or heavenly, i should say rather, excuse me. |
| 00:30.15 | thingfish | MacDaddy: it took me a week before I asked myself, why am I not just running debian? |
| 00:30.42 | cafuego | Bogaurd: When that's done, install apache. 'apt-get install apache libapache-mod-php4 php4-mysql php4-curl php4-gd' |
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| 00:31.07 | thingfish | MacDaddy: and I had been a big fedora/redhat user, since 1999. |
| 00:31.22 | Bedad | wow there's a package for php4-gd without having to compile from source using --with-gd |
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| 00:31.31 | MacDaddy | MEPIS is the best thing ever to happen to bring poeple to debian. IMOSHO |
| 00:31.39 | streuner | daveo: Are there any OSS modules loaded? |
| 00:31.41 | cafuego | Bedad: there's also a php4-gd2 |
| 00:31.50 | cafuego | Bedad: (and yes, they have ttf support) |
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| 00:32.03 | Bedad | how cool |
| 00:32.19 | MacDaddy | Simply, that is. |
| 00:32.35 | Bedad | they've got loads |
| 00:32.45 | Bedad | even ldap |
| 00:32.59 | citral | warhead: that ain't a question |
| 00:32.59 | cafuego | yes. There's *no need* to recompile stuff on debian. |
| 00:33.07 | cafuego | Well, php4-pdf being an exception |
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| 00:33.13 | daveo | streuner: I don't think so. lsmod lists snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss but those should be for emulating oss in alsa right? |
| 00:33.13 | Bedad | hmm package management on debian is well ahead of rpm's |
| 00:33.13 | thingfish | plus with debian, my hair is less gray, and that old spring is back in my step. |
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| 00:33.32 | MacDaddy | cafuego, Yes let's make things HARDER! Not. |
| 00:33.34 | citral | Bedad: indeed |
| 00:33.35 | thingfish | and I love debian's minty-fresh taste! |
| 00:33.53 | citral | how can one resist to apt-get moo |
| 00:34.03 | streuner | daveo: What's the excact error you got? |
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| 00:34.20 | Bedad | or apt-get me 2 chicken kebabs and a bottle of wine |
| 00:34.31 | Bedad | that's whta i want to see |
| 00:34.33 | MacDaddy | How does one install a driver modlue without trashings a system? |
| 00:34.35 | daveo | streuner: i810 audio disabled in configuration |
| 00:34.43 | Bedad | modprobe insmod |
| 00:34.47 | thingfish | what I wouldn't give for some chicken kebabs right about now... |
| 00:35.07 | streuner | daveo: is the onboard-chip enabled in BIOS? |
| 00:35.11 | thingfish | and some spicy sauce... |
| 00:35.33 | MacDaddy | What about the module-assitant package? Anyone here use? |
| 00:35.38 | daveo | streuner: I've gone through the bios and can't find any place to enable or disable. Probably because it's a laptop |
| 00:35.44 | citral | only for nvidia |
| 00:35.48 | paulswm | see ya guys, stay safe |
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| 00:36.03 | Bedad | modules assistent package? |
| 00:36.06 | MacDaddy | God bless Paul |
| 00:36.38 | warhead | citral: My question -> I use kernel 2.6.7, And when I try rip audio CD,I have error in k3b "Could not open device /dev/scd0", but when I try laik root user all is ok. I check read/write perm. and that is ok, soo what is real problem? |
| 00:37.10 | citral | warhead: ls -l /dev/scd0 |
| 00:37.20 | Quietscheente | i just did a dist-upgrade to testing - noe my keyboard does not work anymore, i can´t even log in :( |
| 00:37.39 | MacDaddy | User need permission to use CD maybe? |
| 00:37.43 | pipeline | warhead: Add your user account to the cdrom group, then log out and log back in. |
| 00:37.49 | streuner | daveo: What kind of laptop is it? |
| 00:38.00 | daveo | streuner: sony vaio fx120 |
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| 00:38.44 | Quietscheente | running an sun 250 here.. messing around with debian testing for 6 hours now this keyboard bug is so anying |
| 00:38.54 | MacDaddy | Quietscheente, Anint it fun? Try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:38.56 | warhead | citral: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2004-07-22 21:55 /dev/scd0 |
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| 00:39.09 | citral | warhead: adduser warhead cdrom |
| 00:39.11 | pipeline | Quietscheente: 250? |
| 00:39.20 | pipeline | E250? |
| 00:39.20 | warhead | citral: I'm in group cdrom |
| 00:39.23 | citral | warhead: log out totally, login, done |
| 00:39.34 | Quietscheente | pipeline: yes an enterprise 250 |
| 00:39.46 | warhead | pipeline: I'm member of cdrom group |
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| 00:39.56 | MacDaddy | Quietscheente, And of course, check that it's still pluged in ?!? |
| 00:40.04 | warhead | citral: I try logout, and system reboot. |
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| 00:40.29 | warhead | citral: And not work. |
| 00:40.35 | Quietscheente | so tell me how do i bypass the xdm with a broken keyboard... |
| 00:40.38 | Quietscheente | :) |
| 00:41.13 | citral | warhead: does the command "groups" really report cdrom? |
| 00:41.15 | pipeline | Quietscheente: Heh, I'd love to help you, but I've never even seen an E250 with a keyboard. |
| 00:41.16 | warhead | citral: I still have error "Could not open device /dev/scd0" when I try rip audio cd |
| 00:41.18 | MacDaddy | Which platform is most suited for Debian. i386? |
| 00:41.27 | pipeline | MacDaddy: S390. |
| 00:41.51 | warhead | citral: Yes, "warhead lp dialout cdrom floppy audio dip src video lpadmin" |
| 00:41.57 | Quadraphonic | lol, I've got to get myself one of those (S390s) |
| 00:42.07 | cyberlok | warhead if all else fails do a a+rw unless this is not on your own desktop machine and some kind of server or something |
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| 00:42.20 | pipeline | Quadraphonic: They're expensive, and really not all that fast. |
| 00:42.35 | cyberlok | S390? |
| 00:42.41 | Quadraphonic | yeah, but they've got good I/O from what I hear |
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| 00:42.55 | citral | warhead: then it's a k3b problem. try in a console to ripe a cd with cdparanoia to be sure |
| 00:42.56 | EMH_Mark3 | oi, does anyone have a working apt source for mplayer packages? |
| 00:42.59 | pipeline | cyberlok: IBM System 390. Spiritual successor to S/360 and S/370 |
| 00:43.17 | warhead | cyberlok: But that is not safe,I have many users on my Debian. |
| 00:43.34 | cyberlok | well they might rip a audio cd from you ;) |
| 00:43.35 | citral | EMH_Mark3: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
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| 00:43.44 | cyberlok | not really as unsafe as you may think |
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| 00:43.56 | cyberlok | but yeah must be a k3b problem |
| 00:44.19 | EMH_Mark3 | citral: thanks |
| 00:44.20 | cyberlok | if you logged off added yourself to the group and rebooted the machine and logged off and back on |
| 00:44.22 | cyberlok | it should work |
| 00:44.38 | cyberlok | unless it is accessing something other then /dev/cdrom |
| 00:44.39 | EricBlade | argh.. im' trying to get ssh to stop asking me for password from a particular IP .. and it's refusing. .shosts is set, i've told the sshd config to not ignore hosts files, and it's still asking me for password. what can i do now? |
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| 00:44.45 | Quadraphonic | cyberlok: http://www.s390.ibm.com/ |
| 00:44.50 | RememberPOL | So when will Sarge officially be released? :) |
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| 00:44.59 | puffy | hello |
| 00:45.03 | cyberlok | btw what device does k3b say it is pointing to ? /dev/cdrom or /dev/scd0 or something? |
| 00:45.03 | Quietscheente | lol |
| 00:45.10 | warhead | citral: Ok, I try with cdparanoia |
| 00:45.12 | citral | warhead: try crip, it's awesome |
| 00:45.23 | cyberlok | you could be changing the permissions on a device symlink and not the actual device |
| 00:45.29 | MacDaddy | Thank you alll |
| 00:45.57 | citral | warhead: crip is a perl script, frontend to cdparanoia and others, who retrieves the song names with odbc and so |
| 00:46.00 | flo | EMH_Mark3: I found vlc to be much less troublesome |
| 00:46.04 | warhead | cyberlok: /dev/scd0 |
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| 00:46.20 | cyberlok | ls -l the /dev/scd0 |
| 00:46.20 | puffy | sshd re-exec requires execution with an absoluth path --> i get this problem when i weant to run: /etc/initd/sshd start. In the script absolute pathes are used. (--startas /usr/sbin/sshd) |
| 00:46.24 | interalia | oh, in case anyone is interested in the question I asked earlier... logging of init scripts can be turned on by enabling bootlogd from /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 00:46.25 | puffy | any idea |
| 00:46.27 | puffy | ? |
| 00:46.29 | Evaso | is there any solution for working with xfce pmount and usb key? |
| 00:46.39 | citral | cyberlok: already done, it's a k3b problem |
| 00:46.45 | EMH_Mark3 | flo: vlc? wha? |
| 00:46.48 | cyberlok | ahhh |
| 00:46.55 | cyberlok | sorry citral thought I check |
| 00:47.03 | warhead | cyberlok: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2004-07-22 21:55 /dev/scd0 |
| 00:47.05 | citral | or a pebkak |
| 00:47.47 | cyberlok | yeah then k3b is hosed |
| 00:47.47 | citral | *pebcak |
| 00:47.47 | warhead | eh |
| 00:47.47 | warhead | k3b... |
| 00:47.47 | bratner | i'm using kvim on debian-sid. sometimes when i type(insert) text wrong charachters displayed. if i make the window to "redraw" then i can see what i have typed. any ideas? |
| 00:47.47 | flo | EMH_Mark3: "video for linux client", in the main archive. just worked for me, whereas mplayer needed a lot of configuration |
| 00:47.49 | delta9_ | !any ideas |
| 00:47.49 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack of string, a little WD-40, and a handful of rabid badgers. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 00:47.58 | flo | EMH_Mark3: you may want to grab some codecs from the above mentioned apt-get source, though... |
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| 00:48.01 | cyberlok | LOL |
| 00:48.08 | EricBlade | anyone? ssh with no password? |
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| 00:48.16 | citral | warhead: we are talking about ripping an audio cd, or direct copy, or ? |
| 00:48.18 | bratner | thanx: delta9_ |
| 00:48.28 | EricBlade | yes i've googled, the google, it does nothing |
| 00:48.31 | warhead | citral: Yes |
| 00:48.34 | resiak | EricBlade: You could authenticate with keys. |
| 00:48.40 | EMH_Mark3 | flo: well I'm already familiar with mplayer and I especially like the mencoder thingy.. thanks though :( |
| 00:48.41 | citral | warhead: that was a question |
| 00:48.44 | EMH_Mark3 | *:) |
| 00:48.46 | delta9_ | EricBlade: have you man'd, info'd, and /usr/share/doc'd ? |
| 00:48.47 | warhead | citral: Yes, ripping audio cd |
| 00:49.01 | EricBlade | yes, i have |
| 00:49.08 | cyberlok | then run cdparanoia to check warhead |
| 00:49.11 | EricBlade | as far as i can tell, everything is hooked up right, and invoked right, and such |
| 00:49.29 | cyberlok | cdparanoia has always worked for me ... |
| 00:49.33 | citral | warhead: ok, try crip |
| 00:49.52 | citral | cdparanoia for debug is probably the est |
| 00:50.33 | warhead | Ok., hm, I try first test with cdparanoia |
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| 00:51.33 | citral | guis are fine, until there is a problem really |
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| 00:51.45 | tripz__ | make |
| 00:51.56 | tripz__ | whoops,.. wrong window :) |
| 00:52.08 | citral | then you get a message like "unable to rip". Very informative. |
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| 00:52.57 | resiak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:53.50 | puffy | bye |
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| 00:53.54 | citral | !support CLI |
| 00:53.55 | dpkg | CLI is the BEST |
| 00:53.59 | warhead | Cyanophytes: /dev/cdrom exists but isn't accessible. But I use /dev/scd0 for cd not /dev/cdrom |
| 00:54.16 | warhead | Cyanophytes: /dev/cdrom exists but isn't accessible. But I use /dev/scd0 for cd not /dev/cdrom (cdparanoia test) |
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| 00:54.19 | pipeline | !denigrate CLI |
| 00:54.21 | pipeline | damn. |
| 00:54.27 | hhstnoc | !support WinNT? |
| 00:54.28 | dpkg | WinNT is the BEST |
| 00:54.31 | hhstnoc | no! |
| 00:54.32 | hhstnoc | nooo :( |
| 00:54.51 | citral | warhead: man cdparanoia would tell you to use -d |
| 00:55.11 | warhead | citral: ok |
| 00:55.46 | Laney | how do i add a user to a group? |
| 00:55.54 | resiak | Laney: adduser user group |
| 00:55.55 | hhstnoc | adduser user group |
| 00:55.56 | citral | warhead: the perms of a link don't count |
| 00:56.02 | Laney | thanks all! |
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| 00:56.24 | chealer | so Bogaurd where are you in that php-mysql install? |
| 00:57.29 | warhead | citral: Checking /dev/scd0 for cdrom...Testing /dev/scd0 for cooked ioctl() interface.../dev/scd0 is not a cooked ioctl CDROM. |
| 00:57.43 | si|vercat | so what are the good native linux games? :P |
| 00:57.50 | resiak | si|vercat: Enigma? |
| 00:57.57 | resiak | si|vercat: Unreal Tournament 2004? |
| 00:58.06 | FieldySnuts | and we care why? |
| 00:58.15 | citral | warhead: you are doing cdparanoia -B -d /dev/scd0 right? |
| 00:58.34 | warhead | citral: Yes |
| 00:58.36 | resiak | si|vercat: Oh, and if you count playing LucasArts games with ScummVM ... |
| 00:58.44 | resiak | si|vercat: And all the others. But yeah. |
| 00:58.44 | citral | warhead: does it work as root? |
| 00:58.56 | warhead | citral: not |
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| 00:59.23 | chealer | SiliconViper: if you're looking for something 3d packaged in debian try tuxracer, otherwise linuxgames.com |
| 00:59.28 | warhead | citral: I run with warhead acc |
| 00:59.34 | si|vercat | resiak, does it beat RTCW:ET? :P |
| 00:59.49 | citral | warhead: is it an usb or scsi drive? |
| 00:59.58 | resiak | si|vercat: Well, in my humble opinion, Monkey Island > *, so... |
| 01:00.03 | warhead | citral: ide plextor |
| 01:00.17 | warhead | citral: I use scsi emulation |
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| 01:00.57 | citral | warhead: I'm not sure, but I think any IDE cdrom drive should be mounted as /dev/hd* |
| 01:01.06 | meff | with the new cd/dvd burning check so you cant burn as a user anymore, what it the correct way to use k3b with these newer kernels w/out running it as root? |
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| 01:01.39 | citral | sudo cdrecord is the right way |
| 01:01.40 | joujou | what's the command to select apt-get sources list again? |
| 01:01.45 | daft | citral: unless he uses scsi emulation |
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| 01:02.29 | nvz | my radio seems to have shut off without any warning |
| 01:02.58 | warhead | citral: I mount my cdrom with /dev/scd0 and dvd with /dev/scd1 |
| 01:02.59 | daft | nvz: how can you look at it then? |
| 01:03.15 | resiak | daft: Because turned off things aren't invisible? ;) |
| 01:03.27 | karsten | OT: Anyone here do freelance web design and have a client contract they could point me at? |
| 01:03.34 | nvz | I was looking at winamp, but winamp was still playing, it was the bose that shut off apperently, cause when I hit aux, it came back on |
| 01:04.05 | warhead | citral: My cd , scsibus0:0,0,0 0) 'PLEXTOR ' 'CD-R PX-W5224A' '1.01' Removable CD-ROM (I chek with cdrecord --scanbus) |
| 01:04.06 | resiak | karsten: I could point you at a lawyer? |
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| 01:04.31 | vitriol_ | anybody here have a matrox card? |
| 01:04.31 | karsten | resiak: Got plenty of those. |
| 01:04.42 | vitriol_ | i was wondering if you *have* to use matroxs drivers |
| 01:04.45 | resiak | nvz: WinAmp? Heretic! Burn in the fires of Redmond! Etc. |
| 01:04.46 | citral | warhead: do you have sr_mod loaded? |
| 01:04.48 | resiak | karsten: Fair enough |
| 01:04.56 | vitriol_ | i thought they had native kernel support for matrox cards |
| 01:05.09 | nvz | I was brushing this kids hair cause its always a mess, I was gonna braid it and she thought I was putting it in a pony tail... she says to me, "boys don't know how to make pony tails" heh I told her I was actually going to braid it, and she has split ends, she says she doesnt, but its apperent she doesnt know much |
| 01:05.21 | karsten | resiak: There's boilerplate agreements for stuff like apartments. Ruhl.com (realrates.com) has templates, etc. Basically: copyright assignment and stuff like that. |
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| 01:05.22 | warhead | citral: Yes, that I have build in kernel |
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| 01:05.28 | Bogaurd | chealer, cafuego is giving me a hand :) |
| 01:05.56 | resiak | karsten: Fair enough. |
| 01:06.19 | beth | nvz is a hairdresser? |
| 01:06.50 | karsten | beth: It pays better than sysadmin ;-) |
| 01:06.52 | citral | warhead: what kernel? |
| 01:06.57 | warhead | citral: 2.6.7 |
| 01:07.05 | citral | self compiled |
| 01:07.09 | warhead | citral: Yes |
| 01:07.10 | nvz | beth: nvz, is a journey man |
| 01:07.10 | citral | mmmm |
| 01:07.27 | maher | nvz: is that like an apprentice hair dresser? |
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| 01:08.14 | warhead | citral: I try and 2.6.8.1 and 2.6.9 but that is not good choice......more information about look on news www.k3b.org |
| 01:08.20 | nvz | maher: thats someone who learns it all |
| 01:08.38 | nvz | she wants to dance and is taking my keyboard away |
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| 01:09.01 | citral | warhead: the strange thing is that if cdrecord reckon it, cdparanoia should work. I can't say much, sometimes kernel features should be compiled as modules, and not built-in, but I doubt that's the problem |
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| 01:10.17 | daft | I cant beleave that i was that stupid to just update my cpu to the new kernel this takes ages with all these modules >.< |
| 01:10.45 | citral | update your cpu? |
| 01:11.13 | warhead | citral: I build in kernel for cd/dvd reader/writer : CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS , CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR, CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG, CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN,CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS,CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI |
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| 01:11.46 | Pjay | is there a editor similar to vi that gives colors text and functions differently if using php files and other programming languages? |
| 01:11.57 | citral | warhead: I would apt-get install a stock kernel, and see if it works, to be sure. |
| 01:12.01 | daft | change the cpu of the new kernel some class mate fked my pc with rm -rf in putty needed to reinstall every thing to day |
| 01:12.07 | Gathond_ | Pjay: vim will do that, if properly configured |
| 01:12.27 | Pjay | thanks Gathond |
| 01:12.30 | daft | I hope he still have a itchy head tomorow |
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| 01:13.02 | citral | warhead: then if it works, copy /boot/config-2.6.8-1-k7 and take it as a ase. Remember in the 2.6 serie, there's no point compiling things built-in. e.g. alsa will NOT work as uilt-in |
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| 01:13.16 | citral | !lart my b key |
| 01:13.19 | maher | Pjay: emacs can also do that |
| 01:13.46 | herbi | is there an enviromental variable for the current system date? |
| 01:14.00 | herbi | i want to do an echo $DATE or similar |
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| 01:14.12 | citral | uh, type "date" |
| 01:14.14 | herbi | hmm nevermind, i just realised im a moron |
| 01:15.44 | yxa | after i do a rsync -av --delete /home/ /mnt/home, i still see some discrepancies using du -sc. any ideas? |
| 01:16.20 | warhead | citral: ok.But when I try use laik root cdparanoia , all is ok audio ripping work. |
| 01:16.36 | doub | yxa: if you have file with holes, maybe the destination file will not have them, ending in a different reported size |
| 01:17.03 | yxa | doub what are files with holes |
| 01:17.05 | citral | What the FUCK is laik? |
| 01:17.16 | warhead | citral: I thinking problem is in permissions |
| 01:17.36 | FieldySnuts | @lart citral |
| 01:18.08 | wntd | Apple Computer, Incorporated has made me $650 poorer today |
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| 01:18.14 | FieldySnuts | ah. it's AN/M8 , anyone wanna corrct that? |
| 01:18.27 | doub | yxa: binary files where the program left a hole inbetween (p2p temporary files are a good example) |
| 01:18.31 | phreak | wntd: Did you by one of those cute Mini-things? :) |
| 01:18.38 | FieldySnuts | http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m8-hc.htm |
| 01:18.42 | wntd | Mac mini |
| 01:18.45 | warhead | citral: When I start ripping audio cd with root permissions I have "Ripping from sector 0 (track 1 [0:00.00] to sector 348620 (track 19 [4:52.09])" |
| 01:18.45 | citral | warhead: I asked you previously if cdparanoia worked as root, you said no... |
| 01:18.50 | shwag | how can I make the user log out how is logged in on vc/1 |
| 01:19.01 | yxa | doub i dont think so. it's only users' Maildir |
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| 01:19.07 | phreak | wntd: They sure seem nice, but I'd rather have 2 ethernet ports instead of a modem. |
| 01:19.15 | Delph | shwag: kill any processes they're using |
| 01:19.20 | doub | yxa: to be shure, you can run diff -r <orig dir> <new dir> |
| 01:19.28 | Delph | this is, unfortunatley, impolite, in general terms. |
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| 01:19.39 | warhead | citral: Sorry, I'm in confuzion, all work when I'm root |
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| 01:19.45 | maher | yxa: how big is the difference? |
| 01:19.45 | shwag | Delph: if don't want to kill processes of that user though if it isnt on vc/1 |
| 01:20.03 | maher | warhead: you have a permissions issue then |
| 01:20.08 | Delph | shwag: "ps auxf" -- f for forest |
| 01:20.19 | Delph | that way you can find which processes are coming from that login shell |
| 01:20.22 | yxa | MadSpeedy like 8 blocks |
| 01:20.28 | wntd | phreak: yeah, but they want to break into the cheap, shitty Windows PC market with a cheap, non-shitty mac. They need a modem in there and I'm okay with that :) |
| 01:20.29 | warhead | maher: What? |
| 01:20.29 | Delph | i'm sure there's a better way than this |
| 01:20.32 | yxa | diff -r came out clean |
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| 01:21.06 | yxa | maher like 8 blocks |
| 01:21.17 | phreak | wntd: Yeah probably :) But i just thought of it as a decent firewall/router. |
| 01:21.21 | maher | warhead: if it works as root but not as a user, you have a permissions problem |
| 01:21.24 | warhead | citral: But problem when normal user start cdparanoia, then not work. |
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| 01:21.42 | maher | yxa: probably random filesystem differences - files don't fit into the blocks exactly |
| 01:22.11 | doub | yxa: seems like it went ok then |
| 01:22.12 | citral | warhead: yeah I understand, the thing is that the perms are right... I can't see what is blocking |
| 01:22.41 | maher | warhead: strace it and see what fails |
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| 01:23.10 | maher | warhead: also if you change group info you need to log in again |
| 01:23.11 | yxa | maher i see. thanks |
| 01:23.20 | evan_d | Anyone know why/how I can fix: "passwd: permission denied"? |
| 01:23.27 | warhead | maher: Yes, aha I change groups of program cdparanoia from root:root in root:cdrom and try again |
| 01:23.48 | karsten | evan_d: You can't set third-party passwords as non-root. |
| 01:24.12 | karsten | evan_d: ...otherwise, check that you've got perms for passwd. ls -l $( which passwd ) |
| 01:24.16 | citral | warhead: that won't bring anything |
| 01:24.29 | karsten | evan_d: ...and that your partition(s) are mounted writable (notably, root partition). |
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| 01:25.01 | warhead | citral: True, I try but not work :-( |
| 01:25.50 | maher | warhead: run strace cdparanoia.... as a user - and see what fails |
| 01:26.03 | evan_d | karsten: I was root and it is mounted rw |
| 01:26.29 | evan_d | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 26616 2004-12-23 16:40 /usr/bin/passwd |
| 01:26.45 | warhead | maher: nice,I try that... |
| 01:27.20 | maher | evan_d: what do you type, what error |
| 01:27.27 | jbr | evan_d: is the root partition full, maybe? |
| 01:27.34 | yxa | maher how do i write a config file that does that all the time for rsyncd? |
| 01:27.45 | warhead | maher: heheh open("/dev/sg0", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 01:28.02 | evan_d | jbr: nope |
| 01:28.16 | warhead | maher: crw------- 1 root root 21, 0 2004-07-22 21:54 /dev/sg0 |
| 01:28.21 | maher | yxa: does what? do you really want to run rsyncd and not something like dirvish |
| 01:28.28 | evan_d | maher: just passwd, I first noticed it when I tried adduser though |
| 01:29.21 | yxa | maher im not sure... |
| 01:29.24 | maher | evan_d: can you change root's password? |
| 01:30.23 | evan_d | maher: nope |
| 01:30.40 | yxa | maher just read dirvish works upon rsync |
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| 01:30.52 | maher | evan_d: strace passwd and see what the problem is |
| 01:31.04 | maher | yxa: it can - buti run dirvish without rsync |
| 01:31.16 | maher | yxa: i mean without rsyncd |
| 01:31.29 | warhead | maher: Bingo !!! |
| 01:31.32 | yxa | maher how does it work? is it like a cron job or realtime syncing |
| 01:31.34 | maher | warhead: well done |
| 01:31.54 | warhead | citral: Now work , magic is in "chmod 660 /dev/sg0" |
| 01:32.03 | warhead | maher: hahah chmod 660 /dev/sg0 |
| 01:32.12 | warhead | Yeahhhhhhh workkkkkkkk........ |
| 01:32.14 | citral | warhead: yeah that's it, chown root.cdrom /dev/sg0; chmod 660 /dev/sg0 |
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| 01:32.26 | warhead | Yes!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:32.30 | maher | yxa: what do you want to do |
| 01:32.58 | citral | warhead: try crip :) |
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| 01:33.06 | warhead | citral: ok :-)) |
| 01:33.15 | yxa | maher realtime or near realtime sync of /home to /mnt/home |
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| 01:33.35 | evan_d | I appear to be missing shadow.mo |
| 01:33.48 | bbhill | Debian dosent have enough performance enhancing features to be cool |
| 01:34.00 | maher | yxa: short answer i don't know - longer answer use raid1 |
| 01:34.00 | citral | @troll |
| 01:34.10 | bbhill | Im making fun of gentoo! thats not trolling. |
| 01:34.41 | bucky | try debian levitra |
| 01:34.51 | maher | yxa: you probably don't want that anyway - you probably want a fs like plan9's fs |
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| 01:35.34 | CSWookie | bbhill: You're out of style. The current target of the ire here is ubuntu. |
| 01:35.42 | maher | yxa: or just run rsync every 20mins / however often your your machine can take it |
| 01:35.52 | bbhill | CSWookie: That login screen is just so homosexual! |
| 01:36.03 | bbhill | I dont use Ubuntu because of that alone! |
| 01:36.10 | CSWookie | bbhill: I really wouldn't know. I've never used it. |
| 01:36.19 | bbhill | It's a bunch of people holding hands in a circle |
| 01:36.22 | bbhill | It made me want to vomit |
| 01:36.45 | maher | bbhill: don't go to kindergarden's - you'll make a mess |
| 01:36.54 | yxa | maher what's wrong with rsyncd? |
| 01:36.58 | CSWookie | bbhill: Eh. Sounds hippy enough to be a linux distro. |
| 01:37.08 | maher | yxa: nothing |
| 01:37.19 | bbhill | CSWookie: Ubuntu is also like some tribal african proverb.. Just way too lame for me. |
| 01:37.25 | citral | maher: richtig |
| 01:37.28 | bbhill | It's a computer os distro! |
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| 01:37.56 | CSWookie | bbhill: Yup. It's got its hippy on, alright, alright. |
| 01:38.06 | Delph | CSWookie: hiphip hip hurray? |
| 01:38.43 | CSWookie | Delph: Just about, yeah. |
| 01:38.47 | bbhill | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/login.jpeg |
| 01:38.50 | bbhill | Nuff said |
| 01:39.13 | Delph | bbhill: does that mean you'll be quiet, if nuff has been said? |
| 01:39.19 | CSWookie | bbhill: Whatever. The world does not need another debian work-alike. |
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| 01:39.34 | bbhill | Delph: If you dont like what i have to say dont listen. |
| 01:40.08 | Delph | bbhill: am attempting to take mickey. apologies =;) |
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| 01:40.23 | interalia | bbhill: but doesn't that principle apply equally to you listening to delph? |
| 01:40.37 | bbhill | interalia: I never directed anything to him. |
| 01:40.51 | citral | bah, just ignore the fucker |
| 01:40.53 | interalia | bbhill: you never directed anything to delph either. |
| 01:41.04 | interalia | so I don't see how that's relevant :) |
| 01:41.08 | bbhill | What? |
| 01:41.22 | bbhill | HE addressed me. I was talking to CSWookie, a willing participant in the conversation. |
| 01:41.29 | bbhill | Not Delph. He jumped in. |
| 01:41.44 | asxcx | hi, i have winxp installed and im planning to install debian. What do i need to do, to install debian and only boot it with a disk, so no lilo o grub will be used? Only if i use the disk, debian will run, else winxp... |
| 01:41.58 | warhead | citral: crip work perfect when ripping audio cd :-)) |
| 01:42.14 | bbhill | asxcx: you want to install it so that to boot it you need a boot disk? |
| 01:42.15 | citral | warhead: I know :))) |
| 01:42.21 | Delph | uhhm, a regular, help with the bot voodoo to find the fluffy install lala. |
| 01:42.22 | asxcx | yes bbhill |
| 01:42.33 | bucky | asxcx, the installer will give you the oprotunity to make a boot floppy |
| 01:42.34 | interalia | bbhill: yep, and said he didn't have to listen if he didn't like it. doesn't that apply to you as well, you don't have to listen to delph if you don't like what he/she says... right? |
| 01:42.35 | CSWookie | bbhill: It's a group forum. The way to private message is to use /msg. Not that I'm in the mood for a private chat just now. Since the rest of the room isn't interested, and ubuntu is off-topic, I'll exit the conversation, stage left. |
| 01:43.15 | bucky | asxcx, but you'll be stuck with the install kernel that way and some features you may want may not work |
| 01:43.21 | warhead | Nice... |
| 01:43.26 | CSWookie | errr... word. |
| 01:43.31 | bbhill | You guys are just assholes in here. Any linux convo is fair game as far as im concerned. |
| 01:43.37 | Delph | bucky: uhhm, but you can still just burn a new cd with a new kernel on it |
| 01:43.49 | jbr | bbhill: /topic |
| 01:43.56 | CSWookie | bbhill: I'll chat with anyone about most anything. But it'd not my channel. |
| 01:43.57 | asxcx | buck ive just download 3.0r4... |
| 01:44.04 | bucky | yes asxcx could do that Delph |
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| 01:44.20 | asxcx | thanks for your help |
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| 01:44.36 | bbhill | Repeat: You guys are all just elitist assholes. |
| 01:44.37 | bucky | asxcx, the main trick is to shrink your xp install if you don't have an empty partition |
| 01:44.51 | bucky | bbhill, don't leave |
| 01:44.58 | bucky | i think you're hilarious |
| 01:45.24 | citral | oh yes, please stay and insult us more! please! |
| 01:45.29 | jbr | bbhill: have you lost the door? |
| 01:45.38 | citral | ahaha |
| 01:45.40 | asxcx | bucky i will create the partitions with partition magic... |
| 01:45.41 | bucky | citral, he didn't insult anyone |
| 01:45.46 | bbhill | I'm not insulting anyone. |
| 01:45.48 | bucky | asxcx, good deal |
| 01:45.54 | citral | bbhill| Repeat: You guys are all just elitist assholes. |
| 01:45.58 | asxcx | bucky thanks |
| 01:46.03 | bbhill | You guys are unhelpful, rude, and elitist assholes. Yes. |
| 01:46.07 | bbhill | If that insults you, so be it. |
| 01:46.07 | citral | that's not insulting maye? |
| 01:46.12 | bucky | citral, i'll cop to that |
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| 01:46.25 | jbr | bbhill: goodbye, then, have fun in #offtopic |
| 01:46.32 | bbhill | I'll stay here and idle, actually. |
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| 01:46.35 | bbhill | Like I always do. |
| 01:46.43 | bbhill | Because I use debian. But this community is a bunch of assholes. |
| 01:46.55 | citral | until an op notices you |
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| 01:47.17 | bbhill | They wont kick me. If you guys are allowed to whine constantly about people talking about Knoppix or Ubuntu, I can say you are elitist assholes. |
| 01:47.22 | bucky | asxcx, lilo will boot your xp if you install lilo to the mbr.. |
| 01:47.35 | jbr | !ops: you've been challenged to kick bbhill |
| 01:47.40 | CSWookie | bbhill: I tend to agree with you. I'm just to lazy to type /leave... Oh wait. |
| 01:47.50 | bbhill | See? Im not alone. |
| 01:48.10 | bbhill | Im not trolling, im being 100 percent serious. Everytime im in here i get attacked for talking about anything. |
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| 01:48.21 | jbr | bbhill: then stick to the /topic |
| 01:48.28 | interalia | bbhill: honestly I don't give a crap, I just thought it was funny that you told delphi to ignore you when you could just as well have ignored him. funny how the principle never applies that way... |
| 01:48.31 | bbhill | jbr: I didnt bring up Ubuntu. |
| 01:48.31 | bucky | what about xandros and linspire? |
| 01:48.37 | bbhill | jbr: Read back. |
| 01:48.43 | maher | stopo feeding the trolls |
| 01:48.47 | bbhill | I dont see you yelling at those people. |
| 01:48.49 | jbr | !ops |
| 01:48.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, ops is please use ops <problem> so the ops know why you have summoned them |
| 01:48.54 | hhstnoc | but theyre so cuddly |
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| 01:49.02 | jbr | !ops you've been challenged to kick bbhill |
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| 01:49.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: you've been challenged to kick bbhill |
| 01:49.13 | CSWookie | jbr: True. That was my fault. He was flaming distro x - 1, where x is the current "bad" distro. |
| 01:49.15 | helix | ehm. |
| 01:49.20 | helix | can we all calm down here? |
| 01:49.30 | CSWookie | jbr: So I set him on a proper course to burnination. I'm sorry. |
| 01:49.33 | citral | already veerrryyyy calm |
| 01:49.34 | Vladi | hi, what is a good way to clone my current "/" to another hdd using udev so dont know if that needs something special? thx! |
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| 01:49.56 | bbhill | I'm perfectly calm and not trolling - im always here. Im just saying, you guys dont need to be such jerks for no reason in here. |
| 01:50.02 | hhstnoc | lol |
| 01:50.04 | CSWookie | helix: I am calm. |
| 01:50.08 | maher | i am a jerk for a reason |
| 01:50.12 | citral | Vladi: udev is not a cloning app... |
| 01:50.15 | helix | CSWookie: good, I'm glad to hear that :) |
| 01:50.29 | helix | bbhill: ok, no one is being a jerk now. thanks. :) |
| 01:50.29 | Varg66 | !udev |
| 01:50.29 | dpkg | udev is probably at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ, or broken and shit |
| 01:50.33 | helix | please stay on topic |
| 01:50.39 | bbhill | helix: No problem. Thank you. |
| 01:50.56 | interalia | bbhill: do you mean jerks to you, or jerks to other people? |
| 01:51.10 | Vladi | citral: sorry i mean im using udev on my system and didnt know if /dev needs sometihng special when cloning it |
| 01:51.14 | bbhill | interalia: Im not discussing it anymore. |
| 01:51.42 | interalia | bbhill: bah. I was just trying to get whether that was a general criticism or a specific one. |
| 01:51.48 | CSWookie | bbhill: But we's got our UNIX beards and our GNU suspenders on! We've got so much techno wang he can't help but shake it furiously like the tribal people we are. |
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| 01:52.01 | Delph | Vladi: you dont tend to clone dev; its a special bit, it depends from machine to machine. |
| 01:52.02 | citral | Vladi: one thing is sure, you won't be ale to use a udev /dev/ with normal devfs |
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| 01:52.11 | CSWookie | s/he/we/ |
| 01:52.14 | Erxivi | hi |
| 01:52.16 | Delph | but if you just want to move your entire install from one disk to another |
| 01:52.29 | CSWookie | Erxivi: yo. |
| 01:52.34 | Delph | then (someone ok me on this) you dont need to worry about /proc or /dev |
| 01:52.44 | Erxivi | hola CSWookie, que tal ? |
| 01:52.44 | citral | Delph: roger |
| 01:52.50 | citral | !spanish |
| 01:52.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:52.57 | Delph | citral: its 'mike', but glad you agree. |
| 01:53.01 | Erxivi | zanks |
| 01:53.17 | Vladi | Delph, citral : well i use cp -ax / /mnt/newroot but when i boot it it just locks up :( |
| 01:53.21 | CSWookie | Erxivi: No, no comprendo Espanol. |
| 01:53.31 | Erxivi | bye friends ... ;) |
| 01:54.09 | citral | Vladi: whay would you want to clone an install? |
| 01:54.32 | Vladi | citral: well im moving it to another hard drive |
| 01:54.34 | Delph | citral: "uhhm" |
| 01:54.52 | toresbe | !norwegian |
| 01:54.52 | dpkg | i heard norwegian is the language spoken in Norway, or better than swedish |
| 01:54.52 | Vladi | citral: ohh what |
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| 01:55.01 | toresbe | heh, hell yeah :D |
| 01:55.03 | Vladi | citral: well yeah my whole install |
| 01:55.05 | Piru | vladi, google for "hard disk upgrade howto" |
| 01:55.09 | citral | Vladi: mkisofs would be a more apropriated tool than cp I believe |
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| 01:55.55 | interalia | vladi: do you have everything on your root filesystem, do you have things like a separate /home, /var etc. ? |
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| 01:57.43 | Delph | Vladi: aye, are there partitions, are they the same size: you'll have to do things like reinitialize swap |
| 01:57.54 | Vladi | interalia: everything on root spearate boot |
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| 01:59.16 | jbr | oh, well. how about a question: is there a commandline way of getting a list of source packages? |
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| 01:59.48 | jbr | There's "apt-cache --generate pkgnames" to get a list of binary packages (eg for programmable-completion stuff), but how about source packages? |
| 02:00.03 | interalia | vladi: have you made sure your bootloader can find things on the new disk? |
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| 02:01.05 | Vladi | interalia: well i did "grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/newboot /dev/newdrive" |
| 02:01.06 | spiekey | hello! |
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| 02:01.16 | spiekey | whats the diffrent between libnss-ldap.conf and ldap.conf? |
| 02:01.17 | warhead | caos.... |
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| 02:02.51 | Keester | I just installed woody, and the PCI bus isn't being detected. boot message says system doesn't support PCI |
| 02:02.52 | pmwilson | ok, so i have a machine running 2.6.10 and programs crash/disappear seemingly at random. i'm not running out of mem. the error is often a segfault. what could be causing this? what should i try? i ran memtest86 a few days ago, and everything was fine (and i thought bad mem usually caused sig 11's, not segfaults) |
| 02:03.23 | pmwilson | bad libs? kernel bug? |
| 02:03.59 | interalia | vladi: ah well, grub's not my thing.. I guess the only thing to ask is what happens exactly when you try to boot off the new disk. |
| 02:04.26 | Guerin | pmwilson: /msg dpkg sig11 |
| 02:04.33 | pmwilson | hmm... silly me, segfault is sig 11 |
| 02:04.46 | Vladi | interalia: well it starts booting and then locks up after going a little bit |
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| 02:05.01 | gotik0 | is there vmware under the debian repositories |
| 02:05.35 | pmwilson | Guerin: right, i know... i've run memtest... that's the first thing i did |
| 02:05.44 | Delph | gotik0: is vmware free? |
| 02:05.48 | Vladi | interalia: same system only on a diff hard drive |
| 02:05.50 | ponds | i have a standard system with a / partition, /home partition, and a swap partition running Gentoo. I don't like it, and would like to switch back to debian, but it has no drives for removable media. I have now imaged the debian-installer and its needed files into my ex-swap partition and am preparing to boot from my swap partition. Will this be safe, or will the debian installer freak out and nuke all my data? |
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| 02:06.01 | gotik0 | Delph: no, but it is under gentoos |
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| 02:06.23 | interalia | vladi: so kernel stops? no error message? |
| 02:06.25 | Vladi | Vladi: it goes farther when using ext3 if i use reiserfs it just resets the PC automatically after it scrolls through some boot |
| 02:06.31 | Guerin | pmwilson: the point was for you to read that link and understand that a sig11 and a segfault are the same thing, and to understand what causes them |
| 02:06.33 | Delph | gotik0: have you searched? |
| 02:06.39 | Vladi | interalia: there are msg not errors just the normal kernel stuff |
| 02:06.51 | gotik0 | Delph: yes |
| 02:07.12 | Guerin | pmwilson: they can be caused by bad libc6, but I don't think they're often kernel-related |
| 02:07.15 | Delph | gotik0: and its said no, there isn't? |
| 02:07.26 | pmwilson | Guerin: i know what causes them.... i forgot that they were the same, but i was already looking at that factoid before you said it :o] |
| 02:08.07 | bob2 | pmwilson: run 'debsums -s' to make sure nothing is corrupted on the disk |
| 02:08.14 | pmwilson | Guerin: i guess i'm more interested in whether others have been having that kind of problem w/ 2.6 or if it was perhaps another update that i did around the same time..... since it doesn't seem to be my memory |
| 02:08.21 | pmwilson | bob2: hmm.... good idea! thanks |
| 02:08.24 | simonrvn | 2.6.10-grsec |
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| 02:08.30 | simonrvn | yummay |
| 02:08.36 | Guerin | pmwilson: are the same programs always segfaulting, or is it any arbitrary program? |
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| 02:09.29 | pmwilson | Guerin: well... i think it's arbitrary. X, gnome panel apps, gnome terminal, bug buddy, gcc, ... |
| 02:09.51 | Guerin | that's a pretty broad range |
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| 02:10.05 | hoarycripple | where can I get info on installing xorg on debian sarge? |
| 02:10.17 | bob2 | hoarycripple: /topic |
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| 02:10.50 | hoarycripple | got it thanks |
| 02:11.04 | pmwilson | Guerin: indeed. i find it strange that it would be the kernel... but i didn't hvae that problem a week ago running a 2.4 so perhaps i should make a new one of those and see what happens |
| 02:11.22 | wntd | http://sourceforge.jp/ads/banner/ossf0001ja.gif <- those wacky Japanese |
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| 02:12.05 | pmwilson | heh |
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| 02:13.23 | Guerin | wntd: Prace your apt-gets! |
| 02:13.28 | bddebian | Cheers abrotman :-) |
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| 02:14.52 | joe666 | hi, how caome that udev does not create /dev/raw1394 upon the load of the raw1394 ? |
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| 02:14.59 | joe666 | is this a bug ? |
| 02:15.44 | bob2 | could be a bug in the module |
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| 02:17.20 | joe666 | bob2, maybe a know module ?, probable a fix ? |
| 02:17.28 | bob2 | doubt it |
| 02:17.33 | pmwilson | bob2: hmm... i hvae some checksum mismatches for libc6 and libglib2 and a few other libraries... :o| |
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| 02:17.53 | bob2 | that's bad |
| 02:18.09 | Pjay | when I do ls-p some files have a @ at the end like so yacc@ what does that @ signify? what type of file? |
| 02:18.12 | Leonardo_Lopes | why dvdrtools, that is a GPL software, is a non-free software in debian? |
| 02:18.22 | pmwilson | and openoffice, but i assume that is because of prelinking |
| 02:18.47 | bob2 | Pjay: symliank, iirc |
| 02:18.47 | hoarycripple | Pjay, symbolic link |
| 02:18.57 | bob2 | Leonardo_Lopes: because the author is a fuckwit |
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| 02:19.14 | pmwilson | bob2: likely cause fsck "repairing" things a while back? should i just try reinstalling those packages? |
| 02:19.41 | pmwilson | bob2: is this probably what's causing my problems? |
| 02:20.18 | Pjay | thanks |
| 02:20.38 | Leonardo_Lopes | bob2, but dvdrtools is a fork of GPL version of cdrtools, it isn't afected by the chage of the license |
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| 02:21.14 | bob2 | pmwilson: if fsck even had anything to repair, it means stuff got corrupted |
| 02:21.25 | bob2 | Leonardo_Lopes: iirc he claimed it was a retroactive license change |
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| 02:21.43 | gravity | Heh... nice claim. Thanks Joerg |
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| 02:24.01 | Guerin | Leonardo_Lopes: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/10/msg00398.html |
| 02:24.12 | CSWookie | I wonder if that could stick. |
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| 02:25.38 | Leonardo_Lopes | Guerin, I read that but I don't understand what is the conclusion, why it continues in non-free. |
| 02:25.54 | bob2 | Leonardo_Lopes: http://www.cafepress.com/mjg59.13089491 |
| 02:25.59 | bob2 | I think that sums it up nicely. |
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| 02:26.18 | Delph | mjg is everywhere. |
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| 02:26.47 | bob2 | vote #1 angry dpl! |
| 02:26.57 | bob2 | (brought to you by www.angrydpl.com) |
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| 02:28.04 | Guerin | Leonardo_Lopes: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/10/msg00403.html <-- read the bit which starts with "This is certainly not DFSG-free:" |
| 02:28.08 | fofos | If you are going to adopt a package, retitle its bug to replace ?O? with ?ITA? <----- very nice... how am i supposed to do this ? or is it my mentor maybe ? |
| 02:28.24 | bob2 | bah, mentors are for wusses |
| 02:28.35 | gravity | fofos: No, that's you. You *need* to learn how to use the BTS if you're thinking about working with Debian |
| 02:28.38 | fofos | whatever, i only wish to adopt the package |
| 02:28.40 | bob2 | fofos: http://bugs.debian.org/, read about how to use it. use the 'retitle' command. |
| 02:28.47 | fofos | ok |
| 02:28.51 | fofos | thanks |
| 02:29.53 | pmwilson | bob2: *sigh* is it more indicative of a rootkit or filesystem corruption?? think i should just copy important stuff out of the way and reinstall from scratch? or reinstall packages w/ problems (a lot of the packages have no md5sums, i must not have the autogeneration turned on for this machine) |
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| 02:30.17 | bob2 | if it was a rootkit I'd be expecting oopses more than segfaults |
| 02:30.48 | Guerin | pmwilson: purge and reinstall libc6? |
| 02:30.51 | pmwilson | bob2: yeah... and a hacked system that has a lot of crashing isn't to useful anyway |
| 02:30.55 | Guerin | (heh) |
| 02:31.03 | bob2 | well, most rootkits are shittily written |
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| 02:31.17 | bob2 | did you try 'chkrootkit'? |
| 02:31.35 | Varg66 | bob2: Check out rkhunter too |
| 02:31.40 | pmwilson | Guerin: i did 'aptitude reinstall libc6' along w/ some other stuff.... i'm guessing that's sufficient |
| 02:31.51 | Guerin | yeah, it should be |
| 02:32.02 | Guerin | pmwilson: woody/sarge/sid? |
| 02:32.05 | pmwilson | Guerin: i wouldn't think it is a good idea to purge libc6... |
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| 02:32.54 | Guerin | pmwilson: why not? all purge does is remove the config files etc.... |
| 02:33.11 | pmwilson | Guerin: hmm... this machine is sarge/sid |
| 02:33.12 | xogon | does anyone know an e-mail client that can coexist nicely with mutt/fetchmail? kmail complains and re-indexes every time i run fetchmail |
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| 02:33.52 | pmwilson | Guerin: 'cause 1) i don't think there are any config files for libc6 and 2) purge also removes, and some things may not work at all if they can't find any libc libraries to load when running the program |
| 02:33.58 | buht | anyone know if debian has packages to support microsoft ASP webpages? not ASP.NET or mono... plain old ASP ? |
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| 02:34.18 | Delph | buht: doesn't apache have some ASP support? |
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| 02:34.39 | bob2 | libapache-mod-mono - Run ASP.NET Pages on UNIX with Apache and Mono |
| 02:34.40 | pmwilson | Guerin: i would think it would be like temporarily removing the kernel from your system (and RAM) before installing another one.... |
| 02:34.41 | buht | i dunno im trying to find out, you think its built in? |
| 02:34.45 | bob2 | libapache-asp-perl - perl Apache::ASP - Active Server Pages for Apache with mod_perl. |
| 02:34.57 | Guerin | pmwilson: that's doable |
| 02:35.01 | bob2 | if you want VB support, talk to chilisoft |
| 02:35.02 | khanman | how do you take a snapshot of the desktop in kde? |
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| 02:35.12 | Guerin | pmwilson: --purge --reinstall works together, I think |
| 02:35.13 | Varg66 | kscreenshot? |
| 02:35.20 | Guerin | khanman: ksnapshot |
| 02:35.24 | Guerin | i think |
| 02:35.31 | wntd | huh, what's this: |
| 02:35.34 | Hashar | hello ! is there a way to know which of my process use the swap please ? :op |
| 02:35.36 | pmwilson | Guerin: no, you can't remove the kernel from RAM and expect anything to keep working |
| 02:35.44 | Delph | i usually just use import -window root out.jpeg |
| 02:35.44 | Guerin | pmwilson: right, not from ram. |
| 02:35.52 | bob2 | Hashar: no |
| 02:35.56 | muhoo | is there a Single Right Place to put static routes so they get added at boot time |
| 02:35.58 | TCW | Does anyone know why linux does not need the bootable flag but Windows (even the newest versions) need it? |
| 02:36.05 | wntd | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.14 | scarynetworkguy | !tell muhoo about faq |
| 02:36.25 | Hashar | bob2> doh ! :o) thanks |
| 02:36.26 | TCW | Another answer as "because they are idiots" would be appreciated ;) |
| 02:36.32 | bob2 | muhoo: /etc/network/interfaces as ip-up rules |
| 02:36.42 | pmwilson | Guerin: say you remove libc, (from the HD) and then try to run whatever (aptitude) and it it uses some library that isn't already loaded into ram.... then aptitude will fail to run |
| 02:36.42 | bob2 | TCW: windows is silly |
| 02:36.42 | joe666 | does anyone know about a bug in raw1394 module or in udev related to the creation of the /dev/raw1394 node ?, for some reason udev does not create the proper /dev entry, any hint or help will be very apprecciated. |
| 02:36.59 | Guerin | pmwilson: yes ... which is why you reinstall it immediately |
| 02:37.00 | bob2 | TCW: another good question is why windows, after 10 years, still refuses to live on anything but the first disk |
| 02:37.11 | bob2 | er |
| 02:37.12 | Guerin | pmwilson: how do you suppose libc6 gets upgraded? |
| 02:37.13 | muhoo | bob2: thanks. this route isn't directly related to any interface, but i suppose i could put it in the interface through which this network is reachable |
| 02:37.13 | khanman | tnx Guerin |
| 02:37.17 | bob2 | dpkg won't run if libc6 is removed |
| 02:37.17 | dpkg | okay, bob2 |
| 02:37.27 | bob2 | dpkg, forget won't run if libc6 |
| 02:37.27 | dpkg | i forgot won't run if libc6, bob2 |
| 02:37.58 | pmwilson | Guerin: heh... and hope that the processes doing that don't crash in mid-upgrade |
| 02:38.00 | bob2 | running programs will stay up, since the kernel keeps a copy of libc6 in ram for them |
| 02:38.21 | TCW | bob2, that is not necessarily true... maybe by default windows does not boot from other things as the first harddisk... but... who needs defaults? :) |
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| 02:38.30 | marinos | chkrootkit sais that im clean |
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| 02:39.13 | TCW | Or... there are other ways than the default way... even with Windows... sometimes :) |
| 02:39.25 | pmwilson | anyone got an easy way to reinstall all packages? dpkg --get-selections|sed /stuff/|xargs aptitude reinstall |
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| 02:40.18 | Guerin | pmwilson: awk '/install/ {print $1} |xargs ... |
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| 02:40.23 | Guerin | eh |
| 02:40.26 | Guerin | pmwilson: awk '/install/ {print $1}' |xargs ... |
| 02:40.27 | pmwilson | Guerin: hmm... yes, i think there has been a miscommunication. i did do the reinstall... but i didn't purge it and wait and then reinstall separately (and i still don't see any reason to purge it) |
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| 02:40.59 | bob2 | er, you cannot purge libc6 |
| 02:41.02 | Guerin | pmwilson: this whole thing was just gedank, since we already decided that purging a package without config files or logs was useless |
| 02:41.03 | pmwilson | Guerin: (vs just reinstall) |
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| 02:41.08 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 02:41.25 | pmwilson | Guerin: heh... yes well, so part of that conversation was silly |
| 02:41.29 | Guerin | yes |
| 02:41.37 | Guerin | and it shouldn't have gon on as long as it did |
| 02:41.39 | pmwilson | Guerin: thanks for the awk, i havne't used that in a while |
| 02:41.54 | pmwilson | Guerin: yeah, but i guess i was a little bored :o] |
| 02:42.07 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:42.09 | fc3 | Am trying to install 2.6.9 kernel on redhat 9.. But I get erros like module-init-tools is needed ..,etc |
| 02:42.16 | Guerin | go back to fixing your system! lazy bastard... |
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| 02:42.29 | bob2 | fc3: #redhat, bye |
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| 02:43.06 | fc3 | bob2 ..#redhat sucks.. no one there to answer! |
| 02:43.17 | Guerin | fc3: better install debian, then. |
| 02:43.24 | bob2 | fc3: maybe you should try a distribution with a better support network? |
| 02:43.25 | pmwilson | hehe |
| 02:43.33 | buht | Delph thanks... |
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| 02:43.42 | fc3 | guerin.. what the hell is debian? |
| 02:43.53 | bob2 | fc3: enough |
| 02:43.55 | jorgp | lol |
| 02:43.58 | Guerin | fc3: debian.org |
| 02:44.06 | marinos | debian is a kind of life a philosophy |
| 02:44.09 | bob2 | fc3: I'm sorry your distro sucks, but it's not our problem. |
| 02:44.21 | Guerin | fc3: read; be enlightened. |
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| 02:45.36 | pmwilson | Guerin: you assumed that there were no 'deinstall' lines.... but that's ok, aptitude was smart about it and decided not to reinstall stuff that wasn't installed |
| 02:45.57 | bob2 | and aren't we all terrible people for refusing to help redhat users with redhat-specific questions. |
| 02:46.01 | gravity | Why the hell would someone wander in to a Debian channel without knowing what Debian is? |
| 02:46.02 | Guerin | pmwilson: ah yeah. It should have been something like (if $2 == install) |
| 02:46.11 | gravity | Is #redhat now sending us people? |
| 02:46.12 | Guerin | gravity: lots of people |
| 02:46.16 | Delph | gravity: cos there's lots of users ? |
| 02:46.34 | bob2 | do people really join a random channel for help based on the number of users? |
| 02:46.37 | bob2 | that seems moronic. |
| 02:46.42 | megatux | hrm.. why the heck is the Debian 2.4.27 kernel not patched for the uselib bug yet?! somebody is asleep at the wheel it would seem |
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| 02:46.51 | joujou | http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=26542005 |
| 02:46.52 | gravity | People just list channels and go in because it's got a high number of users? Oh man, the stupidity never ends |
| 02:47.00 | jorgp | looks like it |
| 02:47.02 | bob2 | megatux: that or sarge doesn't get security updates |
| 02:47.04 | Guerin | troll troll troll your boat |
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| 02:47.13 | resiak | ...gently through the swamp? |
| 02:47.33 | debian | they were kicked by Redhat to Fedora, and they don't get a slightly hint what's going on. |
| 02:48.04 | joujou | who |
| 02:48.15 | Guerin | resiak: rather |
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| 02:48.48 | sebas_ | hi all. is their a channel for the ppc debian stuff ? |
| 02:48.50 | jorgp | I have to make the pitch tomorrow to our stupid IT guy to switch a webserver machine from fc2 to debian stable |
| 02:48.56 | pmwilson | when redhat drops "redhat", then maybe you should go looking for another distribution too |
| 02:49.01 | bob2 | sebas_: #debianppc |
| 02:49.13 | debian | jorgp: it's hard. To them Fedora=redhat |
| 02:49.15 | megatux | bob2: regardless, more people use sarge than stable.. |
| 02:49.22 | debian | jorgp: and redhat is good, to them, period.. |
| 02:49.25 | jorgp | debian: yeah |
| 02:49.45 | sebas_ | bob2: thanks. |
| 02:49.46 | jorgp | but it helped when the machine locked up and had to be rebooted today |
| 02:49.47 | bob2 | megatux: yes, but it has no security updates, which is something that is widely publicised |
| 02:50.23 | sandu | hi! I'm using aptitude and apt-listbugs to update my installed packages, once I put on hold some packages because they had some bugs, how can I set aptitude to mark this packages as upgradeable and try to see if a new version for them is available? or which is the best way to be sure that all the packages I have installed are up to date? thanks! |
| 02:50.24 | bob2 | ipod shuffle actually looks cool + cheap |
| 02:50.25 | debian | jorgp: ffs, redhat!=fedora. Didn't they get that explicit 'FUCK OFF' message from Redhat a year ago?? |
| 02:50.35 | bob2 | sandu: + |
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| 02:50.49 | bob2 | yeah, I want a flash player that does ogg |
| 02:51.00 | Delph | ogg evil |
| 02:51.02 | gravity | Me too. My neuros is nice, but definitely large, even with the flash backpack |
| 02:51.07 | jorgp | debian: I will just let the debian stable track record speak for itself |
| 02:51.16 | TCW | I want a car that lets me fly |
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| 02:51.38 | Guerin | i want a teleporter |
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| 02:51.46 | Guerin | just while we're wishing for cool stuff |
| 02:51.55 | Guerin | long flights bum me out |
| 02:52.01 | nemozny | i need a brain that be able to calculate some math |
| 02:52.08 | bob2 | yeah |
| 02:52.15 | jorgp | debian: I was thinking about pitching sarge, but like bob2 said, no security updates |
| 02:52.24 | sandu | bob2: then could you please tell me how can I search for those pinned packages in aptitude gui? I used to remove /etc/apt/preferences file so I won't have to search for each pinned packages, but I supposed there is a better way to do this |
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| 02:52.48 | bob2 | Guerin: Seoul -> sydney -> nz? |
| 02:52.54 | bob2 | jorgp: Ubuntu! |
| 02:53.00 | debian | jorgp: better stay with stable unless the apps that you're going to run explicitly requires newer glibc |
| 02:53.03 | resiak | !kick bob2 |
| 02:53.07 | debian | jorgp: like Oracle |
| 02:53.08 | bob2 | (note: bob2 is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Canonical) |
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| 02:53.26 | bob2 | sandu: eeeeew. |
| 02:53.33 | jorgp | debian: it's a web server, runs apache and php it all |
| 02:53.38 | nevyn | FsckIt: that'd be interesting. |
| 02:53.41 | bob2 | sandu: are you talking about pinning or holds? |
| 02:53.55 | Guerin | bob2: bus 4 hours -> seoul -> tokyo (wait 5hrs) -> auckland (wait 3hrs) -> wellington |
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| 02:54.02 | debian | jorgp: then I see no problem running stable. |
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| 02:54.08 | bob2 | Guerin: ouch |
| 02:54.12 | FsckIt | nevyn: remind me how you figure several 'infinite' values into a mean, again? |
| 02:54.14 | Guerin | bob2: advice: never try to travel in asia in late jan/early feb |
| 02:54.15 | JoshTriplett | nevyn: It was, the first four hunded times... |
| 02:54.27 | resiak | FsckIt: You discard them ;) |
| 02:54.31 | bob2 | Guerin: hah, why so bad then? |
| 02:54.41 | nevyn | FsckIt: oh yeah. |
| 02:54.47 | Guerin | bob2: lunar new year, every fucker and his dog wants to go fisit someone ... we paid nearly double what we should have for these shitty tickets |
| 02:54.57 | bob2 | Guerin: argh |
| 02:55.01 | debian | Guerin: better than spending 5 hours in some strange africa country. :) |
| 02:55.12 | Guerin | debian: I dunno about that. |
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| 02:55.37 | Guerin | debian: japanese airports are boring and evil; some halfarsed backwoods african airport might be a lot of fun |
| 02:55.38 | nevyn | but actual pretty graphs with information about time from notification to advisory and unresolved notifications for both would be a useful advocacy tool |
| 02:55.42 | debian | Guerin: when you take the cheapest Gulf Airline you'll know. :) |
| 02:55.43 | joujou | what's /dev/null for. i always wondered |
| 02:55.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:55.50 | sandu | bob2: uups... I tought pin is the same thing with holds, I'll read more about that then; what I want to ask is about whatever apt-listbugs make with those buggy packages, pin or hold... I guess it's pin; how can I search them in aptitude and mark thme with +. Anticipated thanks! |
| 02:55.54 | bob2 | dumping crap |
| 02:55.57 | JoshTriplett | joujou: Putting data you want to throw away. |
| 02:55.57 | FsckIt | joujou: to make data disappear |
| 02:56.13 | debian | Guerin: yeah, at least you get a view of the good africa landscape |
| 02:56.14 | bob2 | sandu: if it pinned them, then you need to edit /etc/apt/preferences |
| 02:56.24 | JoshTriplett | joujou: For example, redirection from the shell: way-too-verbose-command > /dev/null |
| 02:56.38 | joujou | hmm i see. |
| 02:56.40 | debian | Guerin: full horizon of grass. sweet |
| 02:56.42 | Guerin | last time we were stuck in jap transit we hardly had any money, too |
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| 02:57.04 | Guerin | we had some KRW, and a credit card ... but they don't believe in plastic |
| 02:57.17 | pmwilson | joujou: say you only need/want the return code (i.e. success/failure) of stuff in a script |
| 02:57.23 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Right; they've moved on to cell phones... :) |
| 02:57.27 | sandu | bob2: so there is no simple way to use "l" or something similar in aptitude and to "+" them, all of them at once? |
| 02:57.36 | debian | Guerin: japanese dosn't believe in plastic? :? |
| 02:57.39 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: heh, yeah. We have that here too. |
| 02:57.44 | JoshTriplett | sandu: Sorry, what do you want to do? |
| 02:57.45 | Guerin | debian: not for paying for stuff. |
| 02:58.06 | debian | Guerin: yeah, hawkers usually take cash instead. :P |
| 02:58.09 | krenin | can someone tell me which linux directories of executables are not-ok to compress with UPX |
| 02:58.17 | joujou | how about /dev/random? random data iu suppose but in what format? |
| 02:58.27 | JoshTriplett | krenin: Pretty much all of them would theoretically be OK. |
| 02:58.36 | FsckIt | joujou: format? just random data... |
| 02:58.38 | sandu | JoshTriplett: to mark as upgradeable in aptitude the packages that apt-listbugs pinned them because they had bugs the previous time I want to upgrade them |
| 02:58.44 | bob2 | joujou: random bytes |
| 02:58.46 | krenin | JoshTriplett: well i tried that and ended up with a non-bootable system, had to restore from a backup |
| 02:58.50 | pmwilson | joujou: a random stream of bits? |
| 02:58.51 | JoshTriplett | krenin: Avoid the library directories, though; I don't think UPX can handle them. |
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| 02:59.06 | krenin | JoshTriplett: yeah it wouldn't do those anyway |
| 02:59.18 | JoshTriplett | sandu: So you just want to drop all pins? |
| 02:59.29 | joujou | are they truly random? i mean how can it achieve random"itivity" (CRAP I INVENTED A WORD) |
| 02:59.58 | krenin | you know the man who invented the toilet, his last name was Crapper |
| 02:59.59 | sandu | JoshTriplett: yeah, and try to bring all installed packages at the newest version available; is there any better way to achieve this? I'm running unstable |
| 03:00.09 | pmwilson | joujou: go read up on pseudorandom functions on wikipedia (or better yet, the metroworks site) |
| 03:00.11 | bob2 | joujou: they're considered random enough for using in crypto |
| 03:00.12 | debian | joujou: if you want a truely random engine buy one of those light wave randomizer device from SGI |
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| 03:00.28 | bob2 | joujou: they come from things like hardware interupts (eg you wiggling the mouse in some way) |
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| 03:00.39 | JoshTriplett | sandu: If apt-listbugs pinned things the normal way, check /etc/apt/* for the pins. Remove them all, and update your package lists in aptitude, and see if there's a category "Upgradable packages". |
| 03:00.49 | FsckIt | joujou: well, /dev/random is supposed to be.. /dev/urandom is not.. it is random because it pulls from a pool of entropy, which is fed by things like keystroke timings and mouse movements |
| 03:00.55 | pmwilson | bob2: does urandom come from that? or just random ? |
| 03:01.08 | JoshTriplett | sandu: If there is, press "U" while the active line is the section heading for that category. |
| 03:01.11 | JoshTriplett | sandu: That should do it. |
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| 03:01.30 | JoshTriplett | pmwilson: Both; urandom just doesn't block when out of entropy. |
| 03:01.36 | JoshTriplett | pmwilson: It starts using a PRNG. |
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| 03:01.57 | sandu | JoshTriplett: I used to remove /etc/apt/preferences and then aptitude update/upgrade, but I tought there might be a better way to do this from aptitude gui like: search for those packages listen in the preferences file and mark them "+" |
| 03:02.15 | pmwilson | sandu: he left |
| 03:02.34 | artichoke | can anyone give me some advice on mke2fs? |
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| 03:02.43 | pmwilson | artichoke: what kind of advice? |
| 03:02.48 | sandu | pmwilson: too bad for me... |
| 03:02.57 | Guerin | artichoke: man mke2fs :) |
| 03:02.59 | artichoke | im trying to overwrite a bad partition, or possibly save it |
| 03:03.08 | artichoke | DSL doesnt have man |
| 03:03.12 | pmwilson | artichoke: "save it" ? |
| 03:03.14 | Guerin | debian does. |
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| 03:03.35 | joujou | and why there is a /dev/dvd and a /dev/cdrom when I have one drive |
| 03:03.43 | Guerin | artichoke: if you're fucking with partitions, you want to be using a partitioning tool, most likely |
| 03:03.51 | artichoke | i copied /dev/hda1 over to hda2 - then was setting up swap and accidentally designated hda2 |
| 03:04.05 | artichoke | im using cfdisk |
| 03:04.06 | jdhutchin1 | joujou, becuase sometimes there's more than one drive |
| 03:04.13 | pmwilson | Guerin, artichoke: not if you don't want to *change* your partitioning! just what's on them |
| 03:04.16 | artichoke | im just a little forgetful |
| 03:04.18 | jdhutchin1 | joujou, so programs can use dvd if they want dvd and cdrom if they want cdrom |
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| 03:04.43 | pmwilson | artichoke: "designated"? |
| 03:05.08 | artichoke | mkswap /dev/hda2 |
| 03:05.15 | artichoke | instead of /dev/hda5 |
| 03:05.36 | artichoke | and now i cant seem to access any data on that partition |
| 03:05.36 | FsckIt | artichoke: yeah.. it destroys the data on the target device, so don't use it unless you know what you are doing |
| 03:05.47 | pmwilson | and you don't want to have to copy hda1->2 again? or hda1 has already changed? |
| 03:05.48 | artichoke | yeah well i did know but i forgot |
| 03:05.59 | artichoke | yeah pretty much |
| 03:06.34 | artichoke | basically im looking to clean it out and procrastinate about dd-ing it again |
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| 03:06.49 | pmwilson | it will be *much* easier to dd again |
| 03:07.05 | artichoke | how so? |
| 03:08.00 | pmwilson | if you make it into an ext2/3 partition again... then you would have to use some recovery tool to scan through the drive an pick up everything that is no longer listed in the filesystem (b/c the root is blank now) |
| 03:08.20 | artichoke | ok i fully intend to just forget the original copy |
| 03:08.39 | artichoke | question is: mke2fs says its mounted |
| 03:08.55 | pmwilson | and pick up all of those inodes, which may have lost metadata (and this is also much harder if not impossible to do if you have made it ext3 instead of 2) |
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| 03:09.08 | pmwilson | artichoke: is it? type mount and see |
| 03:09.18 | artichoke | it aint bloody mounted. ive tried every unmount command i can come up with. its not set up as swap any longer. what am i missing |
| 03:09.36 | artichoke | not listed under 'mount' |
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| 03:10.11 | artichoke | it says /dev/hda2/ is not mounted when i try to umount |
| 03:10.20 | artichoke | but then mke2fs says it is |
| 03:10.37 | pmwilson | umount /dev/hda2 (no trailing slash) ? |
| 03:10.43 | artichoke | ill try |
| 03:10.56 | artichoke | dev/hda2 not mountec |
| 03:10.58 | artichoke | d |
| 03:12.05 | pmwilson | artichoke: its not in cat /proc/swaps |
| 03:12.09 | artichoke | ? i dont get it. figure if you cant come up with something ill just pop in a live disc and try from there |
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| 03:12.27 | artichoke | sonofabitch |
| 03:12.30 | artichoke | yes it is |
| 03:12.44 | pmwilson | it's still being used as swap space |
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| 03:12.54 | pmwilson | have to swapoff /dev/hda2 |
| 03:13.15 | pmwilson | and wait until everything gets moved off of it to other ram/swap |
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| 03:13.37 | jordo | Hey debian freaks... |
| 03:13.42 | artichoke | sheesh. that seemed to have done it |
| 03:14.02 | pmwilson | this lowers the ammount of mem in your system.... if you're running too much stuff and it has nowhere to put everything the oom killer starts getting rid of processes |
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| 03:14.07 | pmwilson | artichoke: :o] |
| 03:14.12 | jordo | Anyone have any motherboard recommendations? I am about to buy one online... |
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| 03:14.30 | artichoke | thx pmwilson |
| 03:14.41 | artichoke | really appreciate it. now on to the procrastinating |
| 03:14.44 | artichoke | =) |
| 03:14.59 | pmwilson | artichoke: i would dd again if you can. |
| 03:15.09 | Kupal[] | I am building a new cluster, maybe not the best word for it, but here is what I want. mysql cluster for the website backend (duh the sql) okay easy. But what about the f.s. anyone recommend a f.s. that will be used for the data. the only thing i don't want synced is the /etc partition... |
| 03:15.15 | artichoke | i intend to - in a couple minutes or so |
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| 03:15.31 | burd | something up with security.debian.org apt resources? |
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| 03:15.36 | DarkHound` | I configed my video card wrong, what do I run to re-run the video configuration I went through in the initial install? |
| 03:15.39 | Lestat^O^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.42 | Lestat^O^ | hi |
| 03:15.56 | CAiRO | what coud be wrong when i get "bootsplash 3.1.4-2004/02/19: looking for picture.... found, but framebuffer can't handle it!"? i've created the initrd image/theme for the same resolution as the display shows |
| 03:16.01 | burd | DarkHound: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:16.11 | pmwilson | Kupal[]: the sql db would probably be stored in /var you want something synching that other than through the db servers themselves? |
| 03:16.12 | Kupal[] | Lestat, if tar doesn't have it by default xargs and find |
| 03:16.25 | Kupal[] | hmm so don't sync that partition.. |
| 03:16.38 | Kupal[] | I guess i will have to think about some of that stuff too. |
| 03:16.53 | Kupal[] | you know partition /var/mysql or whatever. |
| 03:17.07 | Kupal[] | so i now have 2 mounts to consider...... |
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| 03:17.49 | Kupal[] | pmwilson: you know what,. your right.. wrong way. just sync the sites.. not the whole kitten. |
| 03:18.01 | rdancer | this pcmcia card won't work: ``PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 01:00.0. [...]'' on insert, ``SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy'' on ifconfig attempt |
| 03:18.03 | Guerin | Lestat^O^: man tar; look at --exclude |
| 03:18.04 | Kupal[] | so i chould make a /vhost partition and /mail syn and thats it. |
| 03:18.28 | Kupal[] | pmwilson, you know which type of f.s. i would need tho. |
| 03:18.40 | pmwilson | Kupal[]: anything you want, really |
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| 03:18.56 | Kupal[] | yeah but i would love to have it automatic. |
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| 03:19.04 | Kupal[] | it seems like xfs may do it.. or gfs.. |
| 03:19.06 | artichoke | pmwilson may i shoot one more swap question at ya? |
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| 03:19.21 | Kupal[] | but thats why i am here someof you are way too fuckin smart not to ask before I do something. |
| 03:19.22 | rdancer | what can i do? |
| 03:19.24 | GlitchMaster | Yes, I know it's pathetic that I don't know this and can't find it. Please, have pity and tell me. -.-; |
| 03:19.30 | GlitchMaster | Err... |
| 03:19.34 | GlitchMaster | Wrong line.. |
| 03:19.34 | pmwilson | artichoke: go |
| 03:19.43 | GlitchMaster | Funny thing: The xscreensaver "Flurry" seems to be corrupt, and actually causes a KERNEL LOCKUP when it tries to run. Death by screensaver... That's almost ironic, isn't it? Anyway, I need to delete it as root, and somehow I can't seem to find the command to delete... o.O;; I looked at the command list... I didn't see one. I just came on here to share the issue, and figured somebody could throw the command at me. |
| 03:19.46 | Kupal[] | pmwilson: you wanna gab about this i see your on pm :) |
| 03:19.46 | artichoke | may i change the priority of this other swap space? how would i go about it |
| 03:19.50 | GlitchMaster | Then the line about being pathetic... :P |
| 03:20.00 | pmwilson | Kupal[]: just use ext2 or reiserfs |
| 03:20.17 | DarkHound` | burd: Thanks, that's exactly what I needed |
| 03:20.20 | Kupal[] | pmwilson: whats your reasoning? |
| 03:20.21 | pmwilson | Kupal[]: i've actually got to run and teach my mom how to do some stuff in linux |
| 03:20.33 | Kupal[] | Otay :) |
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| 03:20.56 | Kupal[] | I would love to gab with you on aol or somehting one day man, i really appreciate your expertise. |
| 03:21.00 | GlitchMaster | Well... this really really sucks. |
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| 03:21.14 | Kupal[] | s/aol/whatever |
| 03:21.20 | Bozza | Hi, im trying to install Debian 3.0 r4 on my system with Sil3114 SATA controller, default doesnt support it so how would i go about having it detect the drive? |
| 03:21.30 | artichoke | GlitchMaster: rm? |
| 03:21.35 | pmwilson | Kupal[]: hmm... ext3 has journaling, but it limits your recovery options and that's screwed me within the last 2 months. i've had good experience w/ reiserfs and ext2 |
| 03:21.35 | FsckIt | Kupal[]: what are you trying to figure out? |
| 03:21.40 | Kupal[] | Bozza google the drivers are two years in dev |
| 03:22.08 | Kupal[] | "XFS combines advanced journaling technology with full 64-bit addressing and scalable structures and algorithms. " doesnt sound good? |
| 03:22.45 | pmwilson | Kupal[]: i haven't tried XFS yet |
| 03:22.48 | sbk | no "new" filesystem is good for reliable databases ;-) |
| 03:22.49 | Guerin | if you have to ask, use ext3 |
| 03:23.06 | Kupal[] | right, i don't have to ask.. but i would like to discuss. |
| 03:23.11 | Kupal[] | this is kerpal :) |
| 03:23.11 | nevyn | ext3 is the worst possible solution. |
| 03:23.13 | Guerin | I hear XFS is dangerous if you don't have a reliable UPS |
| 03:23.19 | Guerin | nevyn: for what? |
| 03:23.20 | Kupal[] | I have asked all the standard stuff. |
| 03:23.31 | Kupal[] | Guerin: see thats why i wanna discuss :) |
| 03:23.51 | nevyn | Guerin: data storage. it's a hack. |
| 03:23.59 | Guerin | nevyn: worksforme |
| 03:24.04 | nevyn | ok. |
| 03:24.18 | Guerin | nevyn: in what way is it actually bad? It being a hack doesn't immediately make it worthless. |
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| 03:24.21 | nevyn | no filesystem protects you from data loss in the case of power failure |
| 03:24.22 | Kupal[] | heard anything about gfs? |
| 03:24.32 | shmike | hey |
| 03:24.36 | sbk | heh |
| 03:24.37 | Guerin | nevyn: no, but some filesystems protect you from CATASTROPHIC data loss. |
| 03:24.49 | Guerin | and ext3 is one that does that better than most. |
| 03:25.00 | nevyn | hrm. |
| 03:25.12 | shmike | how did i get kde3.3 from the testing branch? |
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| 03:25.24 | Guerin | shmike: apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 03:25.29 | nevyn | it's mostly that it's slow. |
| 03:25.39 | shmike | nope fresh install |
| 03:25.41 | sbk | raw block devices are sometimes just simpler/safer (but that partly depends on the database itself -- not much experience with mysql) |
| 03:26.01 | Guerin | shmike: then the answer is clear: because sarge has kde 3.3.1 in it. |
| 03:26.01 | toresbe | I am dyslexic of Borg. Prepare to have your ass laminated |
| 03:26.09 | toresbe | whoops, wrong win |
| 03:26.18 | Guerin | nevyn: reliability > speed, right? |
| 03:26.25 | Guerin | for important things... |
| 03:26.28 | nvz | haha |
| 03:26.51 | nevyn | Guerin: sure but I don't consider the reliability of xfs compramised by it's improved speed. |
| 03:26.56 | Guerin | otherwise why not just use riicer4 on an overclocked software raid setup |
| 03:27.01 | shmike | Guerin: 10 days ago when i installed i got 3.2 |
| 03:27.13 | Guerin | shmike: things change :) |
| 03:27.17 | nvz | !mith toresbe |
| 03:27.21 | shmike | : ) |
| 03:27.45 | shmike | what is qt.pm ? |
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| 03:28.41 | nvz | you need my idiot script.. to bad I didnt get around to making it yet |
| 03:28.43 | Guerin | shmike: it's a perl module |
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| 03:29.05 | shmike | i installed lib perl and it is stil bitching about it |
| 03:29.33 | Guerin | !vaguenesssmite shmike |
| 03:29.42 | toresbe | shmike: It's the Perl rewrite of the QuickTime video codecs ;) |
| 03:29.47 | nvz | you ask the IS, or idiot script simple questions like that |
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| 03:30.14 | Guerin | and it appears to not be in debian |
| 03:30.18 | shmike | ok so i shouldn't worry about it? |
| 03:31.19 | shmike | thanks guys |
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| 03:32.04 | shmike | i have another question |
| 03:32.16 | nvz | oh boy |
| 03:32.29 | hipp | someone not liking helping this fella? |
| 03:32.29 | shmike | why don't i have icons in synaptic? |
| 03:32.40 | burd | nvz the ainebot+eggdrop would work with a handbuilt dictionary.. mine says all kinds of nasty things :D |
| 03:32.43 | nvz | shmike: on the toolbar? |
| 03:32.53 | shmike | yes nvz |
| 03:33.05 | nvz | burd: I dont follow |
| 03:33.22 | nvz | shmike: but your toolbar is visable and has text? |
| 03:33.34 | shmike | the version is 0.53.4 |
| 03:33.42 | shmike | right |
| 03:33.46 | pldrouin | I would like to compile and install the bcm5700 kernel module, but it looks like there's a Makefile problem somewhere. I've untarred kernel-source-2.2.20.tar.bz2 in /usr/src and renamed the directory as /usr/src/linux. I've extracted bcm5700-source and have tried "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b". The process doesn't exit with an error but no kernel module is compiled. I see "make: Nothing to be done for `build'" almost at the be |
| 03:33.46 | pldrouin | rocess. What is wrong in what I do? |
| 03:33.49 | Shorty` | anyone know of any stream rippers for wmv? |
| 03:34.03 | burd | ainebot is an ai bot has an eggdrop script.. it handles huuuge dictionaries of responses for things |
| 03:34.19 | burd | and you can compile your own dictionary |
| 03:34.49 | orchid | pldrouin: you renamed /usr/src/linux or symlinked it? |
| 03:35.02 | pldrouin | orchid: I renamed the directory |
| 03:35.24 | shmike | goodnight thanks for the help i will be back later |
| 03:35.29 | pldrouin | orchid: I renamed the directory /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.20 as /usr/src/linux |
| 03:36.38 | nvz | I guess he wasnt waiting around for the answer |
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| 03:37.11 | nvz | I admit I spaced out a moment trying to plan moy corse of action for putting the linux hd back in here |
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| 03:38.16 | nvz | This windows does nothing but confuse and agrivate me, trying to figure out how to do simple things I am used to doing |
| 03:38.40 | pldrouin | orchid: Do you know what I am doing wrong/ |
| 03:38.58 | burd | you just upgrade to XP or something? |
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| 03:39.41 | nvz | burd: no this dell has an XP Pro cd came with it, I installed it on a separate hd, to test the nvidia drivers in windows, and to try some programs, but they all sucked |
| 03:39.51 | orchid | pldrouin: nope, I dont think renaming it is an issue though, are there docs that come with the bcm5700-source? |
| 03:40.20 | karsten | How do I get time format in ps to show actual date, not, say, '2004'. |
| 03:40.22 | kremlyn | If I format a drive in fat32, then all files/directories on that drive will assume the permissions of the directory on which they were mounted, correct? |
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| 03:40.35 | The_Vulture | kremlyn: no.. |
| 03:40.47 | The_Vulture | kremlyn: the perms of a mount point have nothing to do with anything.. |
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| 03:41.05 | The_Vulture | investigate the uid/gid/umask filesystem parameters in the mount man page |
| 03:41.13 | kremlyn | The_Vulture: So how does one work with permissions in fat32 (i.e. sharing a drive between linux and windows systems) |
| 03:41.29 | kremlyn | The_Vulture: okies, thanks. |
| 03:41.30 | ArCHoNKoG | what is the packages for nvidia drivers and glx |
| 03:41.41 | resiak | !tell The_Vulture about vfatrw |
| 03:41.44 | nvz | burd: I got an nVidia Geforce 5500FX Ultra, or something in here, and when I use the DVI -> VGA converter than came with it to do twinview with the nvidia drivers in linux or winodws, it makes the head on the dvi port loos its red channel. so its no different in windows |
| 03:42.06 | Jbain|away | hey, can anyone give me some basic guidlines on what i need to do to setup raid with debian? |
| 03:42.08 | burd | nvz: yup thats bad hardware |
| 03:42.16 | kremlyn | The_Vulture: uuid? |
| 03:42.37 | kremlyn | ahh, nm. it was further down |
| 03:43.05 | ArCHoNKoG | what is the apt-get packages name to get nvidia kernel and glx |
| 03:43.24 | nvz | burd: could be the little converter thingy. DVI as I understand is some new all-in-wonder port for modern displays, and since I dont have a modern display I have to use the vga adapter.. but it doesnt seem to be getting the red through |
| 03:43.26 | burd | ArCHoNKog: apt-cache search nvidia and glx |
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| 03:43.32 | ArCHoNKoG | burd: i did |
| 03:43.44 | The_Vulture | resiak: I already knew that :) |
| 03:43.50 | ArCHoNKoG | something about nv-clock |
| 03:44.42 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.49 | burd | nvz: I use the converter as well I am using a nvidia with dual vga's and everything is great |
| 03:44.57 | burd | works in both win and lin |
| 03:45.22 | burd | UT at 2560x1024 is awesome BTW lol |
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| 03:46.24 | nvz | burd: yeah mines a little purple adapter that screws on and has a little squiggly arrow symbol on it |
| 03:46.24 | resiak | The_Vulture: My apologies. :) |
| 03:46.40 | burd | nvz: mine is half-transparent white.. hmmm |
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| 03:46.57 | burd | the card is actually an Asus card tho |
| 03:46.58 | nvz | burd: yeah mine is transparent too |
| 03:47.33 | cafuego | Jbain|away: Depends on the kind of raid. |
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| 03:47.55 | Jbain|away | cafuego: as in hardware or software? |
| 03:48.00 | Jbain|away | or radi0 or 1 |
| 03:48.02 | cafuego | Jbain|away: if it's hardware, make sure the card is supported. if it's cheap-ass on-mobo, don't use it. |
| 03:48.04 | Jbain|away | raid* |
| 03:48.09 | cafuego | Jbain|away: Yes. |
| 03:48.43 | Jbain|away | i'm not sure if its on mobo or not, i have a feeling it might be |
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| 03:49.10 | Jbain|away | i haven't seen the box but the techs working on the server can't get it to work so i was called in to try and fix it |
| 03:49.23 | cafuego | Jbain|away: What box is it? |
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| 03:49.32 | cafuego | Jbain|away: Specifically, what mobo? |
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| 03:49.42 | Jbain|away | don't even know the stats -_- |
| 03:49.49 | cafuego | brand, model? |
| 03:49.51 | Jbain|away | i'm just lookng for a basic overview |
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| 03:50.07 | Jbain|away | custom build, for a hosting company |
| 03:50.16 | cafuego | IDE, SATA or SCSI? |
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| 03:50.29 | Jbain|away | IDE i'm guessing, or scsi |
| 03:50.45 | nvz | oh well going to shut.. bleh lil' boogie on the 't' key.. this machine down and take it out in the other room and fit it with its debian drive. :P |
| 03:51.13 | Jbain|away | if its hardware raid, what would the array show up as under /dev/? |
| 03:51.25 | cafuego | if it's on-mobo and IDE, you want to _NOT_ use the raid chip. You want to set the controller to use normal IDE mode, then use the kernel md1 drivers to used the drives as raidded device. The sarge installer supports this. |
| 03:51.46 | cafuego | Jbain|away: If it's _decent_ hardware raid, the devices may vary depending on the controller. |
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| 03:52.02 | Jbain|away | mmkay |
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| 03:52.14 | Jbain|away | i thinks its hardware cause they guy said teh array was already setup |
| 03:52.15 | cafuego | Jbain|away: If they're running Woody, first thing to try is booting the 'compact' boot disk set. |
| 03:52.21 | Jbain|away | it just wasn't working with linux |
| 03:52.22 | Guerin | hrm, with rename, how to delete everything from a particular character to the end of the line |
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| 03:52.42 | pmwilson | why would i get an "E: Internal Error, Coul dnot perform immediate configuration (2) on ___" ? in this case libgcc1 |
| 03:52.51 | cafuego | Jbain|away: My shitty promise raid chip also has a bios that allows me to set up the array, doesn't mean it's not 100% crap, though ;-) |
| 03:52.56 | Jbain|away | cafuego: where can i get the compact boot disk set? |
| 03:53.01 | bobbyz | Can anyone recommend some good apt repositories for packages that aren't part of the standard debian branches? |
| 03:53.12 | pmwilson | bobbyz: apt-get.org lists a lot |
| 03:53.15 | Guerin | bobbyz: depends what you want. |
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| 03:53.22 | Jbain|away | so if it is a crappy promise card you recommend recofiguing and doing software? |
| 03:53.46 | bobbyz | Guerin, well, for one, I'd like to grab the win32codecs for mplayer/xine in a .deb file... |
| 03:53.46 | pmwilson | (this was from aptitude or dpkg) why would i get an "E: Internal Error, Coul dnot perform immediate configuration (2) on ___" ? in this case libgcc1 |
| 03:54.07 | cafuego | Jbain|away: it's the default on CD#4 or fetch the floppies from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/compact/ |
| 03:54.09 | Guerin | !tell bobbyz about marillat |
| 03:54.15 | bobbyz | Guerin, and then just some things like various emulators, fluxbox styles, etc. |
| 03:54.23 | Jbain|away | kk |
| 03:54.27 | cafuego | Jbain|away: yep, pretty much. If it cost under US$300 you basically don't want to be using it. |
| 03:54.41 | bobbyz | Guerin, I'll check it out, thank you |
| 03:54.59 | cafuego | Jbain|away: It'd use proprietary drivers and be SLOWER then kernel mode software raid. |
| 03:55.04 | Guerin | bobbyz: you're being vague. Most of the reps are very specific itch-scratchin' stuff. Look to marillat, /msg dpkg rarewares, and use apt-get.org |
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| 03:55.23 | Jbain|away | cafuego: so for software, would i have to install any packages? or just configure it in the kernel? |
| 03:55.25 | cafuego | Jbain|away: I've got the same on my hosted box. it's got some promise raid thingie on-board, but I use the md driver. (works fine) |
| 03:55.47 | bobbyz | Guerin, Thank you |
| 03:55.56 | cafuego | Jbain|away: For software the process is easy if you install sarge (the debian-installer cd sets) and I have NO idea about woody. |
| 03:56.22 | cafuego | Jbain|away: basically, sarge allows you to specify devices and create arrays via the installer interface. |
| 03:56.43 | Jbain|away | cafuego: is that only during the install process? or can you do it after? |
| 03:56.54 | cafuego | Jbain|away: May as well do it during install. |
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| 03:57.02 | Jbain|away | because i believe it is already installed, 'm not sure if the user had loaded any files yet |
| 03:57.18 | cafuego | Jbain|away: You can always et up a single disk raid1 system and then hotadd a new disk later. |
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| 03:57.57 | cafuego | Jbain|away: Dunno about converting a drive from non-raid to raid |
| 03:58.17 | asg | !psychic greycat |
| 03:58.17 | dpkg | <greycat> But NOOOOOOOOO.... <greycat> It's too HARD to say "I install woody and I have nvidia geforce4 and X says no screens found" <Besucher> i installed woody, i have got a amd processor, a nvidia geforce 4 and X says no Screens found ;) <Besucher> geforce 4 mx |
| 03:58.22 | Jbain|away | k, i think the raid array is for storage use only |
| 03:58.52 | cafuego | Jbain|away: Then it should be easy enough to add it, then copy data across. |
| 03:59.02 | cafuego | My box has / on raid |
| 03:59.51 | Jbain|away | cafuego: so you're saying go through the install process and setup the raid that way, then add the array to the previously installed system? or copy the installed system to the non-raid disk? |
| 03:59.53 | chopchop | sarge/xp dual. I have 16 MB fat as C:. and XP after that. should I use the 16MB fat as /boot or just leave it ?? |
| 04:00.26 | asg | chopchop: you really need about 50 - 100M (depending on the number of kernels you want to have) for /boot |
| 04:00.37 | asg | chopchop: you might squeeze one in 16M though |
| 04:00.48 | cafuego | Jbain|away: Nono, just leave the system... add the drives now, set them up as raid array, then mount the array, copy the DATA (not system) across to the array. |
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| 04:01.03 | cafuego | Jbain|away: So the array ONLY holds data, not the actual system install. |
| 04:01.18 | chopchop | asg: will grub be allright if I install sarge after the 10GB XP partition ? |
| 04:01.27 | cafuego | chopchop: or you could use [80GB NTFS] [80GB EXT3] and not worry about /boot |
| 04:01.27 | asg | chopchop: yes |
| 04:01.38 | cafuego | chopchop: non-retarded bootloaders are find with that. |
| 04:01.50 | chopchop | hehe |
| 04:01.51 | cafuego | lilo beign retarded |
| 04:01.51 | Jbain|away | cafuego: i belive so |
| 04:01.53 | sbk | man, what sort of kernels need 16M of space :-) |
| 04:01.58 | cafuego | lilo: sorry, but it's true |
| 04:02.06 | cafuego | sbk: 3 or so initrd kernels |
| 04:02.25 | asg | sbk: none |
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| 04:02.37 | Thaiger | Has anyone installed gmailfs? |
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| 04:02.57 | Xenguy | dosemu question: I'm having trouble finding out where the C:> dos prompt is actually located in linux-space -- anyone know offhand? |
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| 04:03.01 | Xenguy | ? |
| 04:03.01 | cafuego | People still use gmail? |
| 04:03.09 | asg | cafuego: apparently |
| 04:03.14 | Jbain|away | lol, i love gmail |
| 04:03.49 | Jbain|away | cafuego: thanks for your help, now at least i have an idea of what i'm doing lol |
| 04:03.51 | cafuego | Also has 100+GB of storage |
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| 04:03.59 | cafuego | Jbain|away: good luck :-) |
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| 04:05.26 | esa | Hi all, i'm not sure but when i want crontab to execute some command on boot, was it @reboot or @onboot or something ? |
| 04:05.28 | sbk | hm, if 16M == 3 kernels + initrd, that seems a long way from "squeezing one kernel" into 16M, must be missing something :) |
| 04:05.45 | asg | sbk: always good to have a bit left over |
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| 04:06.36 | asg | esa: man 5 crontab (/reboot) |
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| 04:08.03 | CLucas916 | i just totally had a brain freeze and i forgot how to add an init script using update-rc.d |
| 04:08.18 | CLucas916 | anyone know how? |
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| 04:08.43 | asg | CLucas916: update-rc.d -f <script> defaults <num (most usually 99)> |
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| 04:09.23 | CLucas916 | it says it cant find /etc/init.d/kdm |
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| 04:09.46 | asg | CLucas916: does /etc/init.d/kdm exist? |
| 04:09.56 | CLucas916 | i guess not |
| 04:10.05 | CLucas916 | oh shit |
| 04:10.09 | CLucas916 | im so dumb |
| 04:10.17 | CLucas916 | i forgot to apt-get install kdm |
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| 04:11.18 | AdrianLP | Anyone know how to get rid of the error, "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C"? My locales is reconfiged to match a `locale -a`, LANG is set. I looked through various bug reports, although I was quite sure which GTK package might be at fault, if any. |
| 04:11.24 | CLucas916 | brb need to reboot |
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| 04:11.40 | AdrianLP | wasn't quite sure which package sorry. |
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| 04:12.42 | pldrouin | I'm trying to compile a kernel module and I get the followin error: "bcm5700.o was compiled for kernel version 2.2.20 while this kernel is version 2.2.20-idepci". I'm using kernel-headers-2.2.20. I've not found kernel-headers-2.2.20-idepci. What do I have to do? |
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| 04:12.56 | asg | pldrouin: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 04:12.57 | chopchop | asg: do I need set startupflag for / on the ext3 after my 10GB XP partition ?? wont grub be outside the 1024 cylindar limit ? |
| 04:13.25 | asg | chopchop: grub doesn't care, it isn't 'braindead' (to quote cafuego) |
| 04:13.46 | chopchop | hmm.. ok. here goes nothing :) |
| 04:14.06 | asg | chopchop: if your bios is braindead, however, that's another thing |
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| 04:14.30 | chopchop | asg: so.. no startupflag is needed ? |
| 04:14.34 | United | How can i see how many files are in a directory? |
| 04:14.42 | asg | chopchop: I've never needed one |
| 04:14.46 | chopchop | :) |
| 04:14.48 | asg | United: ls -1 /dir | wc -l |
| 04:14.56 | United | thanks |
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| 04:16.04 | asg | United: if you want to count hidden files (ones beginning with '.'), use 'ls -a' |
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| 04:19.52 | ma | anybody know off hand how big the first install of woody is |
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| 04:20.52 | ApEtc | ma: Just under 150MB IIRC |
| 04:21.01 | nvz | ma: you can install debian in very little space, it all depends on what you want. you would never install everything |
| 04:21.40 | nvz | my woody netinstall was like 110mb or so. |
| 04:21.52 | nvz | so the base system cant be much more than 150mb |
| 04:22.49 | ma | after installation it took up 150mb? |
| 04:23.04 | ma | what windows managers can you install? |
| 04:23.13 | marinos | most probably you can e lost of things with the base system |
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| 04:23.27 | marinos | *a lot of things |
| 04:23.30 | nvz | ma: just give up what you are trying to do |
| 04:23.38 | cafuego | ma: Any of them, provided you don't add ALL of KDE or Gnome. |
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| 04:23.41 | nvz | ma: do you have a net connection on the box you want to install to? |
| 04:23.53 | ma | yes |
| 04:24.02 | ma | but im wondering how much to partition to these drives |
| 04:24.05 | ma | that is all |
| 04:24.20 | ma | i just took fedora off the box because it was disappointing |
| 04:24.24 | ma | and i have slack on my laptop |
| 04:24.25 | nvz | these drives? debian only? |
| 04:24.31 | ma | but i want to try debian |
| 04:24.35 | nvz | why installing woody and not sarge? |
| 04:24.43 | Gumby | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.46 | nvz | you should be trying debian-installer sarge not woody |
| 04:24.54 | ma | sarge is not stable is it |
| 04:25.08 | Gumby | err, sorry....... desktop environment (or window manager) |
| 04:25.09 | marinos | yea the debianinstaller is much much better now |
| 04:25.11 | nvz | ma: nope, its currently testing. base+standard is frozen |
| 04:25.35 | nvz | ma: debian-installer sports hardware detection and a nice clean new installer. |
| 04:25.59 | ma | so go with sarge eh? |
| 04:26.29 | nvz | ma: yeahm if you have broadband, grab a netinstall and just d/l what you need as you need it |
| 04:26.46 | ma | i cant find a link for sarge, only woodyt |
| 04:26.55 | ma | but i already have the woody cd burned |
| 04:27.10 | nvz | ma: well install that then upgrade, if you can manage without sarges new installer |
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| 04:27.33 | nvz | ma: cdimage.debian.org is down anyhow, I dont know if it would be easy to get a cd image with that site down. |
| 04:28.03 | nvz | ma: you can change sources list and dist-upgrade right after base-install |
| 04:28.21 | t4ch1k0m4 | ... |
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| 04:28.29 | nvz | ... ? |
| 04:28.37 | t4ch1k0m4 | crap, still online :P |
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| 04:29.25 | t4ch1k0m4 | :) |
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| 04:30.31 | sbk | ringo, ringo, ringo |
| 04:30.38 | nvz | I will say this, if I had more wintendo games, those Dual Shock 2 controllers work good on the wintendo |
| 04:30.55 | nvz | ba I am more of a Cocker fan than the Beatles fan,, heh |
| 04:31.01 | marinos | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:31.02 | nvz | they wrote teh song though |
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| 04:31.45 | sbk | :-) maybe because I heard the beatles version first... prefer ringo over the other covers |
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| 04:32.10 | nvz | well I heard it first watching wonder years as a child.. heh I am younger than the beatles |
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| 04:32.53 | sbk | an ibm 1130 was my first computer, so there :-) |
| 04:33.15 | CLucas916 | does anyone have any idea why i cant start firefox |
| 04:33.21 | CLucas916 | the error is about me starting the program under a different user then the one that started the X server |
| 04:33.23 | nvz | mine was probably an Atari PC or something depending on what you consider a PC, or maybe a TI 99/4a |
| 04:33.40 | sbk | "these new fangled swapping OSes are sooo inefficient", he whined |
| 04:34.16 | sbk | ah, okay. those big monster computers were quite the sight. core memory and everything |
| 04:34.27 | nvz | until not too long ago I had several large Ti 99/4a "programming" manuals |
| 04:34.29 | ugly | CLucas916: 'xhost +' -> start firefox -> close firefox -> 'xhost -' -> start firefox |
| 04:34.32 | Bozza | Hi, does Debian-Installer support Woody too? and which if i download the netinst version can i still use the packages i got on the DVD? |
| 04:34.45 | ugly | CLucas916: that'll fix it if you're having the usual problem that people do |
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| 04:35.08 | CLucas916 | "access control disabled" |
| 04:35.22 | ugly | CLucas916: yes... now follow the rest of my instructions |
| 04:35.25 | sbk | nvz: nice. I need to look at a TI computer one of these days, curious |
| 04:35.33 | t4ch1k0m4 | how fast does the seial port work, in terms of Kbits ? (rs232) |
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| 04:36.19 | CLucas916 | ugly, thanks a lot |
| 04:36.45 | nvz | sbk: well I eventually got into apple hardware for awhile, had a IIe and soon gave it away when I got a IIc and it even had a built in carrying handle.. heh hooked directly to a tv |
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| 04:37.39 | nvz | sbk: the TI 99/4a hooked through RF to a tv, and had a large keyboard with built in cartridge slot for games and learning software and such, and also could be programmed using TI Basic. it was crap. |
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| 04:37.48 | ohoh | seagate driven |
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| 04:38.37 | ohoh | <- Runs Debian Unstable without fear. |
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| 04:38.44 | sbk | nvz: ah, interesting... on an off tangent, woz occasionally shows up at a park nearby here on his segway to play polo |
| 04:38.48 | ohoh | Life is such a thing that calls for us to dive directly in. |
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| 04:38.59 | sbk | nvz: (the connection being your mentioning apple ;-) |
| 04:39.21 | LINDA28 | hola |
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| 04:39.26 | sbk | nvz: I really liked reading about woz's adventures with apple, he's quite the character |
| 04:39.41 | LINDA28 | hello |
| 04:39.49 | LINDA28 | how are you |
| 04:39.54 | ohoh | Apple is a totally obnoxious company that appeals to egomaniacs. |
| 04:40.05 | LINDA28 | gledd too meed you |
| 04:40.42 | sbk | ohoh: :-) not being an apple user, dunno. But lots of really good hackers seem to have emerged from being apple II users |
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| 04:41.16 | pldrouin | sorry, I'm a Linux newbie (strangely I learned BSD before Linux). Why does the last version of Debian does come with kernel 2.2.20. Is it the last stable kernel? |
| 04:41.37 | ohoh | seagate driven |
| 04:41.51 | nvz | well back then the apple was quite entertaining, I had later taken in more than 20 Zenith Data Systems that were small vcr-looking things. had two piece mobos in them with up to a mb or so of ram, and 8088s with turbo switch, two 5.25" floppies and ega/composite output and serial/parallel connections |
| 04:42.02 | Biio_ | pldrouin: you can use 2.6 if you want to, just check the kernel-info around f2 or something when you boot the cd |
| 04:42.03 | nvz | I got them from WVU |
| 04:42.26 | nvz | My buddy probably still has several of them in his shop to this day |
| 04:42.32 | drac | pldrouin: if you are using 'woody', it has 2.4 installation option. (just type bf24 on boot) |
| 04:42.40 | LINDA28 | alguien sabes españo |
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| 04:42.48 | drac | LINDA28: #debian-es |
| 04:43.03 | sbk | nvz: heh, sounds like fun. those dammned 808x processors though... |
| 04:43.18 | Bozza | Hi, does the Debian-Installer support Woody too? and which if i download the netinst version can i still use the packages i got on the DVD install? |
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| 04:43.47 | pldrouin | How can I go back to the previous kernel when I boot? |
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| 04:46.42 | nvz | sbk: yeah it was the first pc I had you could really take apart and it resembled a PC. the ram was all removable I imagine they were probably 64k chips |
| 04:47.14 | nvz | sbk: the cpu, ram, roms..etc were all the same removable dual-inline package |
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| 04:47.45 | dive | so, is it just me, or does the sarge i386 netinst cd ship with modules that it can't even load? |
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| 04:47.55 | nvz | they seemed like little workstations of their day |
| 04:48.06 | sbk | nvz: ah, very interesting... I missed out myself on taking apart computers while growing up. The mainframes were essentially protected by droves of condescending minions |
| 04:48.45 | nvz | they were highly servicable |
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| 04:48.47 | nvz | the mainboard was divided into a nothbridge board, and a southbridge board connected with a small ribbon cable |
| 04:49.03 | dive | what would you recommend if I want to install a version that is a) not ancient, like the "stable" dist, and b) works? |
| 04:49.12 | dive | ISO URL's welcome... |
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| 04:50.09 | burd | dive: "unstable"? |
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| 04:50.31 | ohoh | seagate driven |
| 04:50.49 | burd | dive: if security is a factor then your choices are stable or stable |
| 04:50.52 | ohoh | <- Runs Debian Unstable without fear. |
| 04:51.04 | ohoh | Life is such a thing that calls for us to dive directly in. |
| 04:51.23 | dive | heh, so my choices are outdated by years or outdated by years? nice. |
| 04:51.27 | sbk | nvz: neat. |
| 04:51.28 | ohoh | Apple is a totally obnoxious company that appeals to egomaniacs. |
| 04:51.41 | b33r | what would the problem be if im getting "modprobe:modprobe: Can't locate module eth1; SIOCSIFADDR: no such device; eth1 : error while getting interface flags: no such device; SIOCSIFNETMASK: no such device" and same for eth2, all at boot? |
| 04:51.45 | LINDA28 | auxilio alguien sabe español |
| 04:51.48 | nvz | ohoh: you said that before :P |
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| 04:51.51 | cafuego | !spanish |
| 04:51.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:52.02 | cafuego | ohoh: What does that have to do with Debian? |
| 04:52.04 | nvz | LINDA28: si, en #debian-es. |
| 04:52.08 | hacim | anyone know how to get vlc to play on a client machine without X running? (supposedly vlc --vout svgalib? but it doesn't work) |
| 04:52.29 | peterS | b33r: you don't have a kernel driver loaded for your second ethernet card. figure out what type of card it is and load the appropriate module manually |
| 04:53.00 | nvz | that reminds me I couldnt recall if si meaning yes had an accent.. I was telling my cousing about the multiple meanings of the word today (as we live in texico) and I couldnt recall |
| 04:53.13 | peterS | b33r: what type of card or chip *is* it, do you know? if you aren't sure, "lspci | grep Ethernet" should give you a hint |
| 04:53.15 | b33r | thing was peterS, both eth1 and eth2 were working before i entered the ipt_* modules in /etc/modules |
| 04:53.34 | nvz | you'd think as many years as I spent learning spanish I would recall some of it. but if you dont use it you loose it |
| 04:53.35 | b33r | peterS: im trting to run shorewall fyi |
| 04:53.37 | LINDA28 | ove |
| 04:53.52 | cafuego | b33r: the ipt_ modules shouldn't be enetred there, they're auto-loaded by iptables. |
| 04:53.54 | peterS | b33r: did you put the ipt_* stuff ahead of the ethernet modules? if so, you probably want to move it to *after* the ethernet modules |
| 04:54.51 | hacim | so with mplayer you can do mplayer -vo vesa to play a movie when you don't have X running, anyone know how to do that with vlc? |
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| 04:55.30 | ohoh | My last says i'm the best boy in the world! |
| 04:55.35 | dive | I tried a debian sarge i386 cd... it couldn't load any of the modules on it, including the one for my ethernet chipsets :\ |
| 04:55.54 | b33r | cafuego,peterS: only thing in my modules is: usb-uhci, input,usbkbd,keybdev,eepro100 |
| 04:55.56 | dive | how is it that debian is so popular with an installer less mature than slackware's was in 1995? |
| 04:56.22 | peterS | dive: dunno. guess we're just geniuses or something |
| 04:56.25 | b33r | cafuego,peterS: then i read that for shorewall to work on 2.4 kernel you need to load the ipt_* modules in |
| 04:56.28 | mwilson | dive: Because the installer isn't immature. |
| 04:56.49 | nvz | dive: troll elsewhere. :/ so it doesnt have a Graphical FAI this isnt the place to discuss it |
| 04:56.49 | mwilson | dive: Not that the installer would matter, one way or the other. |
| 04:56.49 | peterS | dive: you're saying the slackware installer in 1995 could automatically load all your hardware modules? |
| 04:56.52 | dive | mwilson: it isn't? then... why can't the sarge installer load any of the modules on the cd? |
| 04:56.53 | peterS | dive: that's rather impressive |
| 04:57.00 | mwilson | dive: It can. |
| 04:57.05 | Johnny123 | speaking of installers.. i'm trying to load debian on an oldworld mac and after the loading boot-floppy-hfs the screen turns black and it freezes up.. any ideas? |
| 04:57.07 | dive | peterS: I'm saying that the slackware installer in 1995 worked. |
| 04:57.08 | ohoh | The best boy in the world is seagate driven - and running on DEBIAN UNSTABLE. |
| 04:57.14 | dive | mwilson: oh? what am I missing? |
| 04:57.21 | peterS | dive: the debian i386 installer works for me. which one did you download? |
| 04:57.21 | nvz | the Install guide? |
| 04:57.31 | dive | peterS: sarge i386 netinst |
| 04:57.33 | mwilson | dive: But it can't deal with stupidity on the part of the person operating it. Nor should it. Since none of us were there to see how you screwed it up, the only thing to assume is stupidity. |
| 04:57.35 | Johnny123 | went through there a couple times.. |
| 04:57.41 | peterS | dive: what version? from when? |
| 04:58.01 | dive | from, uhm, a couple hours ago? I didn't see a version noted. |
| 04:58.02 | mwilson | What idiot would pay good money for a Seagate paper-weight? |
| 04:58.07 | peterS | dive: I would point you to the irc channel where the debian-installer people hang out, so you could ask them what's going on with your machine... |
| 04:58.13 | b33r | cafuego: here: http://tinyurl.com/46cjx ; it says to load it |
| 04:58.13 | dondelelcaro | Johnny123: probably best to ask in #debianppc if you don't get help herre. |
| 04:58.18 | bob2 | dive: what url? |
| 04:58.23 | Johnny123 | thanks |
| 04:58.25 | bbrazil | Johnny123: try another floppy disk/drive. I remember having to go through a few to get a 4400 working |
| 04:58.27 | dive | bob2: let me find it again, heh. |
| 04:58.34 | peterS | dive: but if all you're going to say is "your installer doesn't work, it's worse than slackware was in 1995", I'm guessing they won't find that comment very helpful in tracking down your problem |
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| 04:58.41 | Johnny123 | well, i'm on literally my 4th disk |
| 04:58.54 | Johnny123 | it starting to get to be a pain rewriting this stuff |
| 04:59.09 | b33r | cafuego: 7.2.3 Network function |
| 04:59.20 | sobersabre | is there a debian ppc chan on freenode ? |
| 04:59.21 | bbrazil | Johnny123: try another drive. the boot-bios thingy doesn't have error correction - its all done in the OS |
| 04:59.27 | bob2 | sobersabre: #debianppc |
| 05:00.00 | EricBlade | the whole versioning thing in this system is starting to turn into a nightmare. i just installed libgtk2.0 (2.6.1-1) for GTK+-2.4.0 |
| 05:00.03 | dive | ugh, I was using lynx, I don't recall where the install cd iso was located |
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| 05:00.20 | peterS | dive: it should have been linked from www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 05:00.25 | peterS | dive: does that page look familiar? |
| 05:00.35 | bob2 | dive: if it's not rc2 with the same md5sum as the one linked from www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, download and try again |
| 05:00.36 | Johnny123 | bbrazil: a diff floppy drive? |
| 05:00.43 | Johnny123 | bbrazil: what do you mean? |
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| 05:00.49 | dive | bob2: yep, that's the one I booted. |
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| 05:01.42 | peterS | dive: if you can provide some details on demand about *what* happens when you boot it, and how you booted it, and so forth, you should join #debian-boot and tell them what it's doing |
| 05:01.46 | BlackJudas | Mmmkay... if a device is detected as sg1 ... how do I find if it maps to sda... or whatever... |
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| 05:02.12 | bbrazil | Johnny123: yes a different floppy drive. I happened to have more than one ppc |
| 05:02.15 | dive | peterS: I'd have to setup a second console here, but I'll take notes if it fails again, so that I may do that. |
| 05:02.16 | bob2 | BlackJudas: please tell me it's not a CD burner |
| 05:02.35 | BlackJudas | bob2, heh no it's an ancient SCSI zip... |
| 05:02.49 | Johnny123 | bbrazil: alright, i don't have that luxury, but i'll look around for an old one next time i go out |
| 05:02.52 | bbrazil | Johnny123: I think there's a way to start the installer from inside MacOS, but it might depend on your hardware version etc. |
| 05:03.00 | bob2 | BlackJudas: sda if you have no other scsi devices |
| 05:03.02 | oh76 | Because teh seagate engine is smooth like a silk and rhapsodically robust. Debian Unstable? Bring it on. |
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| 05:03.33 | BlackJudas | bob2, no, it's second... i tried sda .. sda1 ...sdb .. sdb1 All report not a valid block device. |
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| 05:03.36 | peterS | dive: one thing to try - hit <F3> at the "Boot:" prompt and it'll tell you about booting a 2.4.27 vs. a 2.6.8 kernel. try both. it may happen that one works better than the other. |
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| 05:03.45 | sobersabre | i want to combine nis+nfs and automounter in a wicked way ... can somebody help with a doc? |
| 05:03.48 | BlackJudas | Sorry I'm obviously a SCSI nub. |
| 05:03.54 | bob2 | BlackJudas: zip disks always have the data on partition 4, btw |
| 05:04.04 | BlackJudas | bob2, they do? icky. |
| 05:04.06 | dive | peterS: hmm. not sure if it makes any difference, but FC3 with 2.6.9 and 2.6.10 both work fine. |
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| 05:04.17 | bob2 | BlackJudas: it's one of those mysteris of the world |
| 05:04.17 | BlackJudas | bob2, can I use cfdisk to change that? |
| 05:04.24 | bbrazil | bob2: except the install disk that comes with them. thats partition 1(?) |
| 05:04.33 | dive | (that's what I have installed on my linux drive now, but I'd like to go debian if I can get it to install) |
| 05:04.34 | BlackJudas | bob2, yeah stupidity... i wonder if iomega still exists. |
| 05:04.37 | bob2 | BlackJudas: not if you want other systems to be able to use the disk (iirc) |
| 05:04.43 | bob2 | bbrazil: hah, wow |
| 05:04.47 | BlackJudas | bob2, nah just mine's fine... |
| 05:04.50 | peterS | dive: well, your situation sounds like the installer has the kernel modules configured wrong on the CD or something like that. so it might matter which kernel you use even though it *shouldn't* matter |
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| 05:05.30 | peterS | you know, gravity has the right idea |
| 05:05.30 | peterS | I'm going to sleep too |
| 05:05.34 | peterS | best of luck, dive |
| 05:05.44 | dive | peterS: hmm. it booted, then it yelled at me because the keyboard layout (normal english us etc) couldn't be loaded |
| 05:05.50 | dive | then it red-screened at me for every module |
| 05:06.13 | BlackJudas | bob2, you can use some sg utility to show you it's mappings no? (i've tried sd[ab]1-5.. still doesn't work) |
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| 05:06.15 | peterS | dive: yeah, those are the kind of details the people in #debian-boot should be interested in hearing |
| 05:06.31 | peterS | dive: assuming you catch the right people awake (: |
| 05:06.38 | bob2 | BlackJudas: don't think there is one |
| 05:06.45 | bob2 | BlackJudas: you do have sd_mod loaded, right? |
| 05:06.53 | BlackJudas | sec. |
| 05:06.56 | dive | peterS: Ok. I'll take notes if things go wrong again, and relay them there. thanks for the help, and sorry for the pissy attitude. I'm sure you understand that a screwed up OS install can be annoying :) |
| 05:07.06 | peterS | yeah, it can |
| 05:07.09 | oh76 | My mother was so overexposed she thought to put me through Hell as if it would pave me into a sidewalk star. |
| 05:07.10 | peterS | good luck, dude |
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| 05:07.21 | BlackJudas | bob2, ehh.. no i didn't :x |
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| 05:07.34 | bob2 | you need that to access it as a disk |
| 05:07.42 | peterS | bob2: is oh76 a chatbot? |
| 05:08.02 | bob2 | I don't know. it was doing segate spam in several channels the other day |
| 05:08.07 | peterS | cute |
| 05:08.14 | EricBlade | ok, so i just installed libgtk2.0-dev version 2.6.1-1 for gtk+ 2.4.0, and i still don't have enough junk to compile programs dependant upon libgtk |
| 05:08.15 | BlackJudas | bob2, thanks very much... works! |
| 05:08.26 | bob2 | EricBlade: install build-essential |
| 05:08.58 | EricBlade | bob2: $100 says i still won't be able to build a program :) |
| 05:09.15 | bob2 | ok |
| 05:09.20 | bob2 | but you have no chance if you don't install that |
| 05:09.29 | peterS | EricBlade: debian normally enforces that a library and its -dev package be the same version. how you got 2.6.1 of one and 2.4.0 of the other I do not know. but you should try installing 2.6.1 of both, even if it doesn't enforce this |
| 05:09.49 | EricBlade | peterS: GTK+ is v2.4.0. libgtk2.0 is v2.6.1. Apparently they are seperate things. |
| 05:09.56 | b33r | anyone know what why my cable modem (162.168.100.1) is sending packets to 224.0.0.1 ? |
| 05:10.06 | peterS | EricBlade: what is this "GTK+" that is 2.4.0? is that a debian package? |
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| 05:10.27 | bob2 | b33r: that's something related to multicast </useless> |
| 05:10.28 | peterS | EricBlade: I ask because AFAIK, libgtk2.0 *is* GTK+ |
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| 05:10.53 | b33r | thanks bob2 |
| 05:11.08 | EricBlade | Setting up libgtk2.0-dev (2.6.1-1) ... |
| 05:11.08 | EricBlade | Setting up libgtk2.0-bin (2.6.1-1) ... |
| 05:11.08 | EricBlade | Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.4.0...done. |
| 05:11.08 | EricBlade | Updating the gdk-pixbuf loaders list for GTK+-2.4.0...done. |
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| 05:11.14 | bob2 | lordy |
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| 05:11.31 | Dorao | hi, i'm compiling a kernel module with make-kpkg and I want it to install into the appropriate kernel module directory... how do i specify the deb to install into /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-686-smp/ ? |
| 05:11.37 | bob2 | you have gtk 2.6 and the strings are wrong |
| 05:11.39 | EricBlade | gtk+-2.4.0 appears to be the name of it, even though it's actually libgtk2.0-2.6.1-1 |
| 05:11.39 | peterS | EricBlade: yeah, ok, the 2.4.0 is just a status message from another package. it means little. |
| 05:12.00 | EricBlade | am i the only person that thinks that this is out of hand? |
| 05:12.08 | peterS | probably. |
| 05:12.25 | mwilson | EricBlade: Yes, and what does the one have to do with the other, other than absolutely nothing? |
| 05:12.25 | pmwilson | bob2: i'm back. i re-installed libc6 (sid), but i'm still getting a few checksum mismatches on for example lib/ld-2.3.2.so and 7 files in lib/tls/ is this normal or is something still wrong? |
| 05:12.50 | bob2 | EricBlade: some package has some out of date strings. just file a bug, it's not a big deal |
| 05:12.54 | peterS | EricBlade: track down what library your package thinks it needs that it doesn't detect, and if you can't figure out the debian *-dev package name for that library, ask here again |
| 05:12.58 | EricBlade | apt-get install build-essential results in a complete xterm lockup. great. |
| 05:13.11 | mwilson | Unlikely. |
| 05:13.12 | bob2 | 'xterm lockup'? |
| 05:13.24 | bob2 | pmwilson: the tls stuff is in libc6-686 or so, iirc |
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| 05:14.54 | EricBlade | had to use xkill to kill the xterm, and it died, but i've still got it's /bin/sh stuck in Zombie land |
| 05:15.20 | dive | Eric: kill the PPID of the xterm |
| 05:15.28 | dive | er, of the /bin/sh, that is |
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| 05:17.40 | pmwilson | bob2: dpkg -S lib/tls only shows libc6 does this mean that the checksums in the package are bad? or the postinst changed the files for some reason? or another package install did? |
| 05:17.56 | bob2 | I don't know |
| 05:18.07 | bob2 | more likely just my memory being crap |
| 05:18.32 | EricBlade | well, i've got a program that's looking for gtk-config. apparently it is not provided by libgtk-dev ? |
| 05:18.41 | bob2 | er |
| 05:18.45 | bob2 | that program wants gtk1.2 |
| 05:18.51 | bob2 | which is old and abandoned |
| 05:19.02 | bob2 | libgtk1.2-dev is what you want |
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| 05:19.32 | bob2 | well, that's nice |
| 05:19.49 | bob2 | but by compiling random old crappyt software, you're already making thingsharder than it needs to be |
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| 05:19.56 | bob2 | what are you buliding, and why isn't it in Debian? |
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| 05:20.13 | dive | bob2: what am I building? |
| 05:20.42 | bob2 | not you, EricBlade |
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| 05:20.45 | cbillett | my friend is on cogeco and they filter smtp... i'm on rogers in another city and would like to be the MX for the hostname and forward all connections to me on 25 through a vpn tunnel to my friend's server. is this possible? |
| 05:20.46 | dive | ahh |
| 05:20.57 | EricBlade | i'm building it for my red hat system |
| 05:22.00 | bob2 | cbillett: yes |
| 05:22.01 | cbillett | i have some DNAT rules, i can ping his vpn endpoint (openvpn) as well as his private ip on the network, but no other ip that belongs to that network. |
| 05:22.06 | bob2 | EricBlade: it's probably not going to work |
| 05:22.16 | cbillett | diddo in the reverse scenario. |
| 05:22.29 | dive | *shudder* openvpn... nice idea, pain in the ass to use for more than two hosts |
| 05:22.41 | bob2 | tinc is really nice for that sort of thing |
| 05:22.46 | dive | I did an openvpn between a NetBSD box, a MacOS X box, and a Debian box... it wasn't much fun ;) |
| 05:22.55 | cbillett | well this has been pissing me off... |
| 05:23.00 | cbillett | if someone can help out, that'd be swell. |
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| 05:23.04 | dive | downing the vpn would crash the OSX box :P |
| 05:23.58 | cbillett | like... the connection is working... |
| 05:24.20 | cbillett | i'm running openvpn on my router, and he's running it on an internally natd box. |
| 05:24.34 | bob2 | this does just sound like an openvpn misconfiguration |
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| 05:25.22 | cbillett | it's very possible. |
| 05:25.36 | cbillett | i've tried turning off spoof protection... |
| 05:25.59 | EricBlade | thank you bob2 |
| 05:26.04 | Pjay | I want to upgrade the mysql server to 4.1.8, in the var/cache/apt/archives directory i got mysql-server_3.23.49-8.6_i386.deb can that be replaced with mysql-server 4.1.8 (if it exits) to upgrade?? |
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| 05:26.30 | bob2 | someone needs to write a "Software doesn't randomly appear in Debian by magic" FAQ |
| 05:26.35 | EricBlade | my apologies, i just get really annoyed by the large amount of garbage i have to install that i really don't need just to make things work in this system |
| 05:26.35 | bob2 | Pjay: you're running woody? |
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| 05:26.55 | Pjay | i guess it came with mysql-server_3.23.49-8.6_i386.deb |
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| 05:27.20 | bob2 | EricBlade: hey, not our fault redhat doesn't have packages for everything ;) |
| 05:27.27 | EricBlade | i think i've got 1e99 programs to download data from a PDA, since i installed gnome and kde. |
| 05:27.31 | dive | bob2: you could cross reference it with the "it's a whole lot easier to build tk when you have the X development stuff installed on your fedora drive" FAQ :-P |
| 05:27.39 | EricBlade | i don't -own- a pda, and removing any one of those programs causes everythingg in my system to uninstall |
| 05:27.44 | bob2 | hah |
| 05:28.18 | roam | hey, does anyone here know how to either a) speed up Samba or b) a windows networking fileserver application that is quicker than samba. samba works fine, but the problem is I use it to store ghost images. when I image a client machine from the linux server it takes 1 and a half hours to image the client, however if i use the same image from a 2k3 server it does it in 30minutes. |
| 05:28.26 | dive | it's been so long since I used linux, but I'm going for a linux job... I sat there puzzled for about 10 minutes yesterday by tk not building... then did an ls /usr/X11R6/include... :P |
| 05:28.30 | roam | anyone have any idea how to get around this? |
| 05:28.31 | cbillett | bob2: can i whip over my configs via /msg? |
| 05:28.41 | bob2 | cbillett: I've never used openvpn, sorry |
| 05:29.00 | dive | I'm used to the X includes/devel libraries getting installed with the rest of X, hehe |
| 05:29.18 | bob2 | xlibs-dev, baybe |
| 05:29.26 | dive | yeah |
| 05:29.30 | EricBlade | roam: hmm.. i'd do some basic testing first, to see if it's network related, maybe the linux machine is just plain networking really slowly? |
| 05:29.30 | cbillett | okies. |
| 05:29.32 | dive | does sarge use xfree or xorg? |
| 05:29.40 | bob2 | xfree86. |
| 05:30.01 | dive | okay |
| 05:30.24 | dive | that's what I'm using now... the FC3 drive has xorg on it, but thats going byebye if the debian installer works as expected |
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| 05:31.09 | EricBlade | i like xorg. really made my system a lot snappier. unfortunatly, it's still snail slow, having only 128mb ram.. but.. oh well |
| 05:31.10 | dondelelcaro | roam: smb is rediculously slow. If possible, you're better off using something like http or ftp that actually was designed to transfer large files. |
| 05:31.31 | bbrazil | roam: ftp |
| 05:31.35 | dondelelcaro | roam: if not, there are a few howtos on tweaking samba to run faster. It's a non-trivial process, but definetly possible. |
| 05:31.48 | dive | EricBlade: it looks pretty nice on this machine, but I've got a gig of ram and 128MB video ram *shrug* |
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| 05:31.56 | roam | someone recommended using nfs. |
| 05:32.00 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Hey, gonna buy a MacMini? |
| 05:32.02 | mwilson | :) |
| 05:32.04 | roam | might work. |
| 05:32.06 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: heh. No. |
| 05:32.10 | mwilson | No? |
| 05:32.13 | mwilson | I thought you would. |
| 05:32.22 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: nah... don't really have a purpose for one. |
| 05:32.37 | dive | anybody got a URL to those macmini's? I've been without a GUI all day, back in KDE now, so I can check it out :) |
| 05:32.40 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: what I really need is large amounts of disk before I ned another computer... |
| 05:32.55 | EricBlade | dive: i hear using a window manager that can actually make use of the new functions of x.org makes a great deal of appearance difference.. i'm using xfce, but when i tried to enable the new x.org functions, my programs would start crashing allo ver |
| 05:32.58 | susfour | dive: http://apple.com |
| 05:33.10 | mwilson | dive: What does being with or without a GUI have to do with being able to browse the web? |
| 05:33.13 | dive | I need a new UPS and then a new monitor before a new computer |
| 05:33.22 | dive | mwilson: hard to see pictures in console on NetBSD :) |
| 05:33.37 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: My desktop Mac is a 500 mhz G4. |
| 05:33.51 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: So the Mini is tempting... |
| 05:34.14 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: That thing is basically a powerbook in an itty-bitty box, you know. |
| 05:34.16 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: heh. Yeah... I'm really thinking about a new laptop, personally... I just wish that the chipset support for the powerbooks wasn't so crap |
| 05:34.29 | mwilson | "chipset support"? |
| 05:34.42 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: wireless, monitor out... |
| 05:34.43 | dive | wow. those are cute. |
| 05:34.58 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: How does OS X not support these things? |
| 05:35.04 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: I don't run OS X |
| 05:35.18 | bob2 | <insert_standard_mwilson_rant_about_linux_on_ppc /> |
| 05:35.35 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: monitor out should work on ati cards with x.org |
| 05:35.51 | mwilson | What rant? |
| 05:35.56 | dive | hmm. cute, but I wouldn't want one. |
| 05:36.13 | mwilson | The only thing I've ever said is that I don't see the point in buying a Mac just to run Linux on it. |
| 05:36.14 | dondelelcaro | bob2: well, I've got it to kind of work on my 400Mhz G4 in 2.4.X... but it just displays nice seas of shimmering green |
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| 05:37.35 | Poprocks | does anyone know how I can configure Xprint, um, so it doesn't scale my printouts like 400% from Mozilla? |
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| 05:37.54 | mwilson | Poprocks: Sure. Don't use Xprint. |
| 05:38.02 | TheJay | Anyone knows if it is possible to play Counter-Strike Source on FC3 dist? |
| 05:38.03 | mwilson | Poprocks: Now, wasn't that easy? |
| 05:38.13 | Poprocks | mwilson, yeah that's what I've been doing up till now |
| 05:38.23 | nvz | heh |
| 05:38.27 | Poprocks | I just wanted to see what was so special about Xprint |
| 05:38.30 | mwilson | Poprocks: And now you want to deliberately break things because...? |
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| 05:38.43 | mwilson | Nothing is so special about Xprint. |
| 05:38.44 | nz17 | I am trying to set up my cable modem. I have only used dial-up narrowband before. When I installed Debian, I skipped over the network setup. Which commands and steps should I take to proceed? |
| 05:39.01 | Poprocks | mwilson, then why is it recommended alongside mozilla? |
| 05:39.10 | bob2 | TheJay: #fedoare, dude |
| 05:39.12 | dondelelcaro | well, besides the fact that Xprint manages to break just about everything it touches. |
| 05:39.16 | bob2 | er, even spelt correctly |
| 05:39.17 | burd | nz17: man ifconfig |
| 05:39.18 | mwilson | Poprocks: Because people are stupid. |
| 05:39.32 | Poprocks | all right, all right, I'll get rid of it.. |
| 05:39.34 | sobersabre | nz17, ifconfig, pppoe/pptp, ppp |
| 05:39.43 | dondelelcaro | Poprocks: mozilla makes some use of Xprint features, like automatic printer detection et al. Unfortunatly, it doesn't work very reliabily. |
| 05:40.09 | dondelelcaro | (well, automatic; as in it figures out what's in Xprint's equivalent of a printcap) |
| 05:40.15 | dondelelcaro | not that it sets the printer up |
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| 05:40.17 | nz17 | I have somethings set up correctly, such as ifconfig, but it doesn't seem that TCP/IP is set right. Knoppix auto-detects the settings, but I'm not sure how to get vanilla Debian to do the same. |
| 05:40.22 | Poprocks | dondelelcaro, doesn't Mozilla detect your printers from CUPS Now anyway? |
| 05:40.34 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: it doesn't... which is why they tried to use Xprint... |
| 05:40.39 | burd | what is the standard for printers? foomatic? |
| 05:40.49 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Why would an application be expected to do that? |
| 05:40.55 | dondelelcaro | Poprocks: mozilla should just be sending things to lpr by default, which should just work, unless you've got a complicated setup. |
| 05:40.59 | mwilson | burd: Define "standard for printers"? |
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| 05:41.14 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: hey, you're talking to the wrong person here. If it doesn't talk to lpr, I don't want it. |
| 05:41.46 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Excuse me? I'm not trying to suggest either Xprint crap or CUPS crap to you. |
| 05:41.47 | burd | mwilson:"generally in use in a majority of network designs, particularly enterprise systems" |
| 05:41.48 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: it's just more of the same, "making it easier for <insert-newbie-here>" |
| 05:42.22 | mwilson | burd: Oh. And how does crap like CUPS fit into that definition? I don't know of anyone serious that uses IPP. |
| 05:42.27 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: no, I mean, I don't really agree with using xprint... since to me, everything should just kick out PS to lpr. |
| 05:42.31 | Poprocks | yeah Mozzy's back to using lpr now |
| 05:42.40 | burd | mwilso: thus my question.... |
| 05:42.57 | nz17 | Thanks. |
| 05:42.59 | Poprocks | just to make it clear to you all: my first order of business whenever I installed Debian in the past was to get rid of anything having to do with Xprint |
| 05:43.32 | Poprocks | but I wanted to see what it actually did, that's all... but I no longer have that desire, thanks to you guys ;-) |
| 05:44.02 | Malf | heh |
| 05:44.05 | Poprocks | Mozilla does seem to detect my CUPS printers though |
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| 05:44.27 | Poprocks | I remember a couple versions ago it would simply have "Postscript/Default" but now it has "Postscript/My-printer-name" |
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| 05:45.33 | mwilson | Poprocks: Yeah, there's no reason why it needs to be doing that, but there you go. |
| 05:45.40 | Poprocks | mwilson, heh |
| 05:46.04 | Poprocks | mwilson, do you agree that libgnomeprint or whatever it's called, and kdeprint should be doing that? |
| 05:46.08 | mwilson | Most if not all cluebies only own one printer. |
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| 05:46.53 | mwilson | I have no idea what libgnomeprint and kdeprint do. |
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| 05:47.03 | Poprocks | m'kay |
| 05:47.25 | mwilson | I'm sure that kdeprint, being KDE, is crap... and I'm sure that libgnomeprint, being Gnome, is utterly without features, but other than that, I dunno. |
| 05:47.34 | Poprocks | well basically they do ... what mozilla does in terms of detecting cups printers (plus a whole bunch of other crap) |
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| 05:48.04 | Poprocks | utterly without features... well it gets the job done, I'll have you know |
| 05:48.18 | Malf | that's one feature! |
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| 05:48.31 | mwilson | I'm sure that as soon as there's any useful featured identified in it, WauWau has the developer responsible shot at once. |
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| 05:49.03 | Poprocks | fighting feature bloat is the biggest feature of all |
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| 05:49.50 | jstevens | I'm having issues finding a package that provides a visual file management tool (EG: Windows Explorer .. yeah, I know I said the evil "W" word) anyone have any reccomendations? |
| 05:50.02 | mwilson | Gnome's goal is to remove all choice, while still whining about how they're saving you from the great proprietary menace, who coincidentally don't seem to let you have any choice either. |
| 05:50.05 | hairy_potter | jstevens: nautilus |
| 05:50.25 | mwilson | Ew, why would you punish someone by suggesting nautilus to them. |
| 05:50.37 | Poprocks | I second hairy_potter |
| 05:50.39 | mwilson | jstevens: xfe is an exellent imitation of Explorer. |
| 05:50.41 | Malf | because he wanted something like windows explorer? |
| 05:50.55 | Poprocks | Nautilus is an excellent file manager |
| 05:51.01 | mwilson | How is Nautilus like Windows Explorer, other than not at all? |
| 05:51.05 | hairy_potter | Poprocks: really? |
| 05:51.11 | Malf | so if we can one up him with grossness of nautilus |
| 05:51.11 | mwilson | Poprocks: In what fantasy realm? |
| 05:51.17 | hairy_potter | Poprocks: "~ $" <-- is the best file manager |
| 05:51.20 | Malf | I didn't say it was |
| 05:51.20 | Poprocks | well Windows Explorer disappeared years ago |
| 05:51.31 | nvz | Poprocks: yeah right |
| 05:51.36 | Poprocks | but Nautilus is pretty close to what it _was_ |
| 05:51.36 | mwilson | Poprocks: Except that it didn't, of course. |
| 05:51.42 | mwilson | And isn't. |
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| 05:52.03 | Poprocks | well it didn't, but the court decided that it did |
| 05:52.04 | hairy_potter | but nautilus is the closest thing to "Windows Explorer". |
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| 05:52.20 | Poprocks | ie: before it became "integrated" with IE |
| 05:52.20 | mwilson | hairy_potter: No, a product like xfe is. |
| 05:52.30 | nvz | Poprocks: the interface you see, taskbar, desktop.. thats all program manager running under windows explorer.exe process |
| 05:52.46 | nvz | thats right the program manager from the old 3.x code is still in there :P |
| 05:53.14 | nvz | you can tell using a program that lists window handlers |
| 05:53.25 | Malf | I'd have to say nautilus is closer only because it starts out looking uglier by default |
| 05:53.33 | nvz | s/handlers/handles/ |
| 05:53.35 | Malf | and ugliness is key to product identification |
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| 05:53.41 | srbaker | bzzt |
| 05:53.46 | srbaker | can someone give me some nfs help please? |
| 05:53.49 | Poprocks | but if you want an "integrated" file manager that does way more than it should and has way too many options, Konqueror is for you |
| 05:53.50 | srbaker | i have on my server in hosts.allow |
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| 05:53.54 | srbaker | ALL: 24.222.13.67 |
| 05:53.57 | mwilson | Nautilus is just useless. |
| 05:53.58 | srbaker | and in my exports: |
| 05:54.16 | Poprocks | mwilson, you either love it or hate it, I guess |
| 05:54.19 | srbaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.24 | srbaker | onyx is 13.67 |
| 05:54.28 | mwilson | Ok, now that's just mean... telling someone to use Konqueror. |
| 05:54.31 | srbaker | when i try to mount it from onyx, it doesn't work |
| 05:54.38 | srbaker | it says the mount point doesnt' exist |
| 05:54.43 | srbaker | thougths/ |
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| 05:55.05 | nvz | dpkg onyx? |
| 05:55.07 | dpkg | i don't know, nvz |
| 05:55.12 | Poprocks | mwilson, well I guess if my saying that it has way too many options and does too much is a good thing... then yeah I'm recommending it |
| 05:55.16 | mwilson | srbaker: Does it? Did you either restart the NFS server or re-export its list? |
| 05:55.47 | ivan | how do i pick a random line from a list in shell? |
| 05:55.56 | Raf256 | hi, I want to install debian sarge. Sarge has the most recent software, but - in oposit to sid - this software had ben tested a bit, and it dont have grave bugs? |
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| 05:56.11 | ivan | oh, i think i know |
| 05:56.30 | Raf256 | so sarge is good choice for desktop? because my debian sid got quite unstable recently (lots of applications crash etc) |
| 05:56.32 | nz17 | Turns out the problem was that I didn't have DHCP installed -- that is why I couldn't get online with my cable modem. |
| 05:56.37 | Malf | sarge is fairly recent software and tends not to have too many bugs |
| 05:56.49 | nz17 | Or rather, dhcp-client |
| 05:56.52 | Malf | sarge would be better than sid if you had that much trouble yes |
| 05:57.07 | mwilson | If you have to worry about how many bugs it has, you shouldn't be using Sarge. |
| 05:57.21 | srbaker | mwilson, yes, i restarted nfs-user-server |
| 05:57.23 | Malf | this is true as well |
| 05:57.40 | bbhill | is testing the same thing as sarge? |
| 05:57.43 | srbaker | mwilson, thoughts? |
| 05:57.46 | Guerin | bbhill: yes |
| 05:57.50 | Poprocks | but for a desktop system, Woody may be too hopelessly out of date |
| 05:57.53 | Guerin | bbhill: currenty |
| 05:58.02 | Poprocks | for a server though Woddy is rock solid |
| 05:58.03 | srbaker | srbaker@onyx:/mnt$ sudo mount /mnt/backup emerald:/backup |
| 05:58.03 | srbaker | mount: mount point emerald:/backup does not exist |
| 05:58.06 | nvz | there's only 694 release-critical bugs total |
| 05:58.06 | Malf | yeah I'd lean towards sarge for a desktop |
| 05:58.09 | Poprocks | s/Woddy/Woody |
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| 05:58.23 | Raf256 | sarge software is usualy almost as new as sid? or few weeks oldr (not few month ot year as in woody)? |
| 05:58.27 | jstevens | sarge rocks for a workstation IMHO |
| 05:58.34 | Guerin | Raf256: typically. |
| 05:58.35 | hairy_potter | Raf256: not exactly |
| 05:58.57 | Raf256 | because I find sid too unstable sometimes (KDE keeps crushing, as well as meany applications) |
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| 05:59.04 | nvz | probably somewhere between 100-300 of them actually concern sarge |
| 05:59.11 | Guerin | typically, testing is only a couple weeks and rc bugs behind sid. |
| 05:59.24 | SirDibbos | is anyone familiar with the use of smartctl? |
| 05:59.27 | Poprocks | Raf256, you shouldn't have crashes left-right-and-centre |
| 05:59.35 | Guerin | Raf256: that would probably be a problem with kde, rather than sid. |
| 05:59.37 | srbaker | mwilson, thougths? |
| 05:59.42 | SirDibbos | smartctl is telling me my drives are close to dying, no matter which computer I run it on. |
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| 05:59.47 | SirDibbos | am using Knoppix 3.7 |
| 06:00.02 | SirDibbos | changed to 3 different drives now, and finally booted knoppix on a different computer |
| 06:00.05 | bbhill | can I say !knoppix? |
| 06:00.08 | Raf256 | Guerin- and SID probably will have a version of KDE that is more stable? |
| 06:00.13 | SirDibbos | always, it tells me the drive is in the state of pre-failure and old-age |
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| 06:00.44 | SirDibbos | bbhill: no, you can't. I am a Debian Developer myself, and Knoppix is a very effective Debian Distribution |
| 06:00.54 | bbhill | Ok just checking |
| 06:01.15 | SirDibbos | bbhill: can you run smartctl -a on your own box and tell me if you get the same result? |
| 06:01.41 | Guerin | Raf256: eh? |
| 06:01.42 | SirDibbos | joker71: great, can you run the same test as well? smartctl -a |
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| 06:02.06 | Raf256 | Guerin- I ment "so sarge will have a bit older, but more stable version of KDE" ? |
| 06:02.07 | alakdan | hello, just wondering if https is already enabled if you install apache2 packages in debian? |
| 06:02.13 | Ra1stlin- | smart sucks with sata hdds |
| 06:02.19 | bbhill | SirDibbos: Im not sure what your talking about. |
| 06:02.21 | joker71 | bash: command not found |
| 06:02.27 | SirDibbos | Ra1stlin-: maybe, but am not using sata. |
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| 06:02.32 | nvz | alakdan: depends on if you told it to run it or not |
| 06:02.49 | Ra1stlin- | but for ide + raid its very good |
| 06:02.50 | SirDibbos | alakdan: it is not enabled by default. |
| 06:03.00 | SirDibbos | alakdan: but is easy to enable by looking in the apache config files |
| 06:03.04 | Ra1stlin- | u know when u need more than 2 spare hdds ;) |
| 06:03.15 | zack | so i'm running a 2.6.7 kernel in sid, and wondering where my /dev/cdrom went... |
| 06:03.20 | alakdan | SirDibbos: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ? |
| 06:03.26 | SirDibbos | alakdan: yes |
| 06:03.28 | debian | 50390164.xml |
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| 06:03.47 | Guerin | Raf256: possibly. Right now I think they might be the same. But that rule generally holds for sarge/sid. |
| 06:04.11 | debian | sorry |
| 06:04.18 | alakdan | SirDibbos: nothing there |
| 06:04.25 | nvz | yeah just like you need another hole in your head |
| 06:05.07 | SirDibbos | alakdan: you have to install the apache2 ssl module as well |
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| 06:05.23 | joker71 | nvz: I used to have one when i installed gnome on X1 but this time it seems to have eluded me and I can't seem to find one so I can choose my gooey at the log in |
| 06:05.34 | SirDibbos | nvz: do something useful. run "smartctl -a /dev/hda" on your box and tell me if it says anything about "pre-failure" and "old-age" |
| 06:05.41 | alakdan | SirDibbos: hmm, what should be the package name? |
| 06:06.05 | nvz | SirDibbos: heh. you sure know how to ask good questions. |
| 06:06.07 | SirDibbos | alakdan: not sure, I have no computer right now until I figure out the problem with smartctl. |
| 06:06.14 | jariep1_ | how can i let apt know that I have sun java-jre installed? |
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| 06:06.21 | SirDibbos | nvz: it comes with experience ;) |
| 06:06.24 | nvz | you must have invented a new fangled way for people to get help in a hurry |
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| 06:06.45 | SirDibbos | nvz: I wrote the rules on how to effectively ask questions on IRC :) |
| 06:06.59 | SlimeyPete | jariep1_: use java-package to create a debian package of the JRE installer, and install it that way. |
| 06:07.01 | alakdan | SirDibbos: ok thanks |
| 06:07.08 | SirDibbos | nvz: alas, the computer containing them is down for maintenance, until I can be sure how much longer it has before it croaks. |
| 06:07.23 | bbhill | I've got Alsa Installed and support compiled for my onboard sound chip (Yamaha) and cannot get sound working. Does anyone know the next step I should take? |
| 06:07.33 | nvz | SirDibbos: oh then you are the one to blame for all the evil.. we should just burn you at the stake |
| 06:07.44 | jariep1_ | SlimeyPete, I already installed thar tar.gz file |
| 06:07.53 | SirDibbos | nvz: I wrote the IRC rules that Kuro5hin.org links to. |
| 06:08.17 | SlimeyPete | jariep1_: I guessed as much, but you can't tell apt that you've got it installed. You'll have to do what I said... then apt will know it's installed. |
| 06:08.23 | nvz | SirDibbos: oh well, dont know or care what that is |
| 06:08.23 | jariep1_ | SlimeyPete, is there hope for a newbie to be able package java as deb package? |
| 06:08.26 | joker71 | i should take a shot of my desktop with IE and win media player on it :P |
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| 06:08.40 | shadda | Hi. |
| 06:08.44 | shadda | How do i downgrade gcc? |
| 06:09.01 | SlimeyPete | jariep1_: indeed. make sure you have "contrib" at the end of your apt sources, then apt-get "java-package". It installs "make-jpkg" which automates it all for you. |
| 06:09.03 | bbhill | that seems to be a really popular question lately |
| 06:09.08 | bbhill | the thing about downgrading gcc |
| 06:09.24 | shadda | Yeah, well, i *think* gcc 3.3.5 is whats fucking up my php compile |
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| 06:09.46 | nvz | shadda: in soviet russia, gcc downgrades you |
| 06:09.49 | shadda | There seems to be a definite trend with newer versions of gcc and php --with-imap compiles failing |
| 06:09.53 | shadda | nvz: hehe |
| 06:09.53 | mwilson | shadda: So? Don't use it, then. |
| 06:10.07 | mwilson | shadda: If you want to install another compiler, then do so. |
| 06:10.10 | shadda | err |
| 06:10.18 | bbhill | He asked how to downgrade gcc i think |
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| 06:10.20 | shadda | Can i just downgrade? |
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| 06:10.39 | mwilson | Is there some reason, other than cluelessness, to downgrade the compiler? |
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| 06:10.49 | nvz | mwilson: it amazes me sometime how just when you think someone has already said the dumbest thing they could say, they say something dumber. |
| 06:10.59 | mwilson | If you want to use some other version of the compiler, then install one. |
| 06:11.02 | shadda | bugs.php.net <-- dozens of bug reports with gcc 3+ causing compile errors |
| 06:11.09 | shadda | same as mine |
| 06:11.14 | mwilson | shadda: So for the third time, don't use v3, then. |
| 06:11.15 | shadda | they downgrade....and it works. |
| 06:11.23 | shadda | ... |
| 06:11.35 | bbenson | hey, what is/are SRPMS (ie. shrike-SRPMS-disk1.iso) |
| 06:11.45 | shadda | I am asking how to downgrade to gcc 2.95 |
| 06:11.53 | Guerin | bbenson: ask #redhat |
| 06:12.03 | mwilson | shadda: No, you're asking how to break the box. |
| 06:12.08 | bbenson | good point |
| 06:12.09 | bbenson | sorry |
| 06:12.20 | mwilson | shadda: Why would you need to downgrade the compiler just to use 2.95? |
| 06:12.24 | nvz | shadda: downgrading gcc is like a taboo subject in #debian |
| 06:12.32 | bbenson | i just use debian, so used to asking here. |
| 06:12.34 | bbenson | ahh |
| 06:12.36 | bbenson | makes sense |
| 06:12.37 | bbenson | thanks |
| 06:12.41 | shadda | can i apt-get 2.95? |
| 06:12.46 | bob2 | if php's code doesn't build with gcc 3.0, it's even shittier than I imagined |
| 06:12.59 | nvz | heh |
| 06:13.00 | bob2 | also, php in Debian has been built with 3.x for...a year now |
| 06:13.03 | shadda | no, just imap extension |
| 06:13.05 | shadda | the c-client |
| 06:13.06 | Malf | because he is going by the assumption (i'm guessing) that the easy solution is to downgrade rather than leave trash he won't use on his box |
| 06:13.07 | bob2 | oh god |
| 06:13.09 | mwilson | shadda: In the time it took you to whine about it, you could already have looked. |
| 06:13.12 | bob2 | php4-imap is a nightmare |
| 06:13.16 | Malf | or something to that effect |
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| 06:13.55 | shadda | well, apt-get install gcc2.95 isn't working (Which i figured) |
| 06:14.12 | bob2 | if you use the right package name it might work better |
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| 06:14.15 | bob2 | gcc-2.95 |
| 06:14.20 | shadda | i tried that too |
| 06:14.29 | bob2 | it installs for everyone else |
| 06:14.32 | mwilson | bob2: Oh, no, it's more important to invent package names, then whine about how they don't work. |
| 06:14.56 | bbhill | you guys = ridiculous |
| 06:15.01 | bob2 | yeah |
| 06:15.01 | nvz | heh |
| 06:15.19 | bob2 | but complains about how non-existent packages don't install are also pretty ridiculous |
| 06:16.12 | bbhill | Well its not like he said "Im typing apt-get install purple monkey dishwasher complier program" |
| 06:16.34 | dondelelcaro | !info gcc-2.95 |
| 06:16.44 | dpkg | gcc-2.95: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:2.95.4-22 (sid), Packaged size: 915 kB, Installed size: 2224 kB |
| 06:17.03 | bob2 | bbhill: yes, but it's very simple to check if a package is failing to install because it doesn't exist or because it's broken |
| 06:17.06 | bob2 | apt will even tell you |
| 06:17.07 | nvz | two ridiculous, dont make a right |
| 06:17.19 | nvz | er something like that. |
| 06:17.30 | bob2 | shadda: paste the whole error, including your command line to #flood |
| 06:17.33 | bbhill | bob2: I agree you are right there |
| 06:17.48 | dondelelcaro | shadda: or use the paster bot |
| 06:17.49 | shadda | n/m. I got it, and it still wont compile |
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| 06:17.59 | dondelelcaro | uh, what won't compile? |
| 06:18.01 | bob2 | why are yo ubuilding php, anyway? |
| 06:18.04 | bob2 | its in Debian |
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| 06:18.12 | bob2 | and has a lot of love given to making it not suck there |
| 06:18.14 | nvz | php4-imap apperently, dondelelcaro |
| 06:18.30 | shadda | I need php5. I found a source for php5, but it doesn't install right |
| 06:18.37 | bob2 | er |
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| 06:19.39 | dondelelcaro | damnit, now they're attached where my pinkies go. |
| 06:19.47 | alakdan | can someone help me out how to enable https in debian? |
| 06:19.57 | alakdan | what are the packages required? |
| 06:19.59 | bob2 | in apach? |
| 06:20.02 | bob2 | er, apache |
| 06:20.05 | nvz | alakdan: maybe that apache2 is too hard for you |
| 06:20.14 | alakdan | bob2: apache2 yes |
| 06:20.24 | dondelelcaro | alakdan: if you're using apache, just install the appropriate libapache-mod-ssl package... or libapache2-mod-ssl |
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| 06:20.55 | dondelelcaro | heh. it'd be nice if there actually was a libapache2-mod-ssl |
| 06:21.09 | alakdan | dondelelcaro: apt-cache shows nothing about libapache2-mod-ssl |
| 06:21.27 | dondelelcaro | alakdan: you're about 15 seconds too slow... |
| 06:21.32 | martha | Does anyone know if it's OK to try to burn 750MB of data on CDRs that are marked '700MB' ? I remember doing it a long time ago... |
| 06:21.51 | alakdan | dondelelcaro: yep, I wonder what package should I install |
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| 06:22.20 | Malf | i'm OK with it |
| 06:22.30 | mwilson | martha: No, you don't. |
| 06:22.53 | bob2 | martha: you can sometimes "overburn" cds, but they may or may not work in various cd readers |
| 06:22.56 | bob2 | mwilson: please? |
| 06:23.03 | dondelelcaro | martha: there is an overburn option, but there's almost no way that you'll be able to overburn 50M |
| 06:23.14 | mwilson | bob2: What 700 mb CD ever supported a 50mb overburn? |
| 06:23.18 | martha | thanks |
| 06:23.27 | bob2 | mwilson: I don't think there's a need to be a dick about it |
| 06:23.53 | bbhill | mwilson = always talkin shit |
| 06:23.56 | alakdan | so anyone here knows whats the ssl package for apache2? |
| 06:24.05 | dondelelcaro | bbhill: that's no excuse for you to start, either. |
| 06:24.06 | bob2 | bbhill = always commenting in an annoying manner |
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| 06:24.18 | bob2 | alakdan: I'm pretty sure it comes with it by default |
| 06:24.21 | bbhill | Well , its just amazing how big the egos are on some of you guys in here. |
| 06:24.24 | bbhill | Not to start shit. |
| 06:24.42 | dondelelcaro | bbhill: yes, the gravitational force of them has been known to send large planets off course. |
| 06:24.55 | Lazee | A debian using friend of mine setup a debian box for me over the net for internet connection sharing.. but it's not workign and he refuses to help me any further |
| 06:25.00 | mwilson | Yes, it's certainly ego to tell someone they're wrong when they are. |
| 06:25.04 | nvz | bbhill: thats what you call an asshole, and its apperant. we just try to take as it comes, we got big shit stomping boots on |
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| 06:25.17 | alakdan | bob2: ok, will try to search again |
| 06:25.23 | Lazee | i've been tryign to fix it, but i havent made too much progress. I can get net on the box itself, im using BitchX through ssh to talk to you guys |
| 06:25.24 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: /msg dpkg firewall |
| 06:25.35 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: that factoid will help you with the most basic firewall setup |
| 06:25.39 | SlimeyPete | mwilson: it's more the manner in which you do it. You always come across as being very caustic. |
| 06:25.52 | Lazee | he has used his own custom firewall on here |
| 06:25.56 | bbhill | I just dont understand how you people (with so much knowledge of EVERYTHING linux related) can act like that to newer users - Most people with vast amounts of knowledge enjoy sharing and helping others learn. here, you guys just hang out to point out peoples idiotic mistakes. |
| 06:25.59 | Lazee | but atm dhcpd isnt even workign |
| 06:26.13 | Malf | I've never quite understood it either |
| 06:26.19 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: uh... well, you're probably going to have to talk to them. It's pretty difficult for us to debug something like that over IRC. |
| 06:26.21 | nvz | bbhill: whats hard to see sometimes is what becomes of a channel this large is in the hands of everyone. We have to do what each of us can, to aviod making any situation worse. See the freenode channel guidelines |
| 06:26.23 | Malf | Yes it annoys me terribly when someone asks something you can google the answer to as well but |
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| 06:26.46 | Lazee | you could help me get dhcp working though? no custom dhcp daemon has been used :p |
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| 06:26.50 | dive | well, that was fun >.< |
| 06:27.02 | bob2 | Lazee: custom firewall rules can break it |
| 06:27.05 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: you've got dhcp working on the cable modem or whatever side, right? |
| 06:27.06 | Lazee | can i copy and paste in putty ssh sessions? |
| 06:27.06 | dive | never try to use grub on a system with more than one disk, heh |
| 06:27.14 | nvz | bbhill: if you read those guidelines, it will give you a better understanding of the challenges of making this work |
| 06:27.20 | Lazee | yeah |
| 06:27.22 | Guerin | dive: why not? |
| 06:27.24 | Lazee | cable modem hands out ip to debian |
| 06:27.29 | Lazee | then i need debian to hand out ip to the rest of them |
| 06:27.30 | burd | dive:i've dual and triple booted with grub, it's fine |
| 06:27.33 | bbrazil | Lazee: yes |
| 06:27.39 | dive | Guerin: because it never knows what order the disks are in, if your bios lets you pick which disk to boot |
| 06:27.50 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: ok, then you need to make sure that you're not blocking traffic on 67 and 68, then install dhcp3-server |
| 06:27.52 | Guerin | dive: eh? |
| 06:27.59 | bbhill | nvz: I dunno man. To me, part of using a distro is the user community - And this is EASILY the worst one i've seen in that respect. |
| 06:28.02 | bbrazil | Lazee: follows X semantics, only that right click is paste. Can also do shift+ins |
| 06:28.04 | Lazee | yep i see a dhcp3 in /etc |
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| 06:28.21 | Lazee | No subnet declaration for eth1 (192.168.0.1). |
| 06:28.21 | Lazee | Please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the |
| 06:28.21 | Lazee | network segment to which interface eth1 is attached. |
| 06:28.21 | Lazee | exiting. |
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| 06:28.26 | dive | Guerin: I've got five disks in here. two SATA for NetBSD, one ATA100 for NetBSD. one ATA100 for XP. one ATA66 for linux. |
| 06:28.27 | Lazee | eep soz |
| 06:28.42 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: yes, you'll have to write a correct dhcpd.conf |
| 06:28.45 | dive | grub and it's (hd,whatever,whatever) ordering NEVER get the disk right on installation |
| 06:29.01 | Lazee | is there somewhere i can paste thigns.. |
| 06:29.03 | Guerin | dive: I've got a box with four drives in it, and grub gives me no grief at all |
| 06:29.16 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: /msg dpkg paster |
| 06:29.17 | Guerin | dive: there's only one OS in it now, but there were four on installation |
| 06:29.22 | Guerin | they're all ide though |
| 06:29.28 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: but http://oob.freeshell.org/nzwireless/dhcpd.html should help you out enough for starters |
| 06:29.34 | Guerin | well, three + the new one |
| 06:29.42 | dive | did you multiboot via grub, or via hitting f11 and picking a disk? |
| 06:29.43 | dive | :) |
| 06:30.00 | dive | my BIOS lets me choose what disk gets called 0x80 that way... |
| 06:30.44 | nvz | bbhill: well you have to know where you are at and what you are working with. Seriously take a minute to read http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml and try not to make it what you see it as. |
| 06:30.44 | Lazee | could someone show me which part in dhpcd is the subnet declaration? |
| 06:30.45 | dive | I just installed sarge, and the installer wiped the MBR of the XP disk instead of the linux disk, because I guessed the number wrong, heh |
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| 06:31.02 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: use the paster bot, and we will |
| 06:31.07 | mas | hi all.... |
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| 06:31.19 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 06:31.19 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 06:31.19 | Lazee | hmm.. should i install lynx then? |
| 06:31.25 | nvz | bbhill: I have been here for years and many people have clear opinions of me, and many I just do not get along with. But we manage to co-exist here every single day without incident |
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| 06:31.47 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: you can copy and paste from whatever you're using to login to the linux box |
| 06:32.02 | burd | dive you WANT the linux boot info on that disk.. and you can always repair it from a windows boot disk by doing an fdisk /mbr |
| 06:32.03 | bbhill | nvz: 90 percent of this channel violates the dont be elitist rule. |
| 06:32.04 | Lazee | i need to use paste through console |
| 06:32.17 | dive | burd: no, I want the linux boot info on the linux disk, and no other |
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| 06:32.27 | mas | i have a big problem... i have xebian (debian) for my xbox.... the live-system works fine, my usb-keyboard works great... but after i install it on my HD, i can't get my keyboard working... any ideas !? |
| 06:32.27 | bucky | hi bbhill ! |
| 06:32.28 | Lazee | it's okay ill use links |
| 06:32.36 | nvz | bbhill: well I read that almost every day, and I violate probably every one of them each month |
| 06:32.38 | dive | I was able to accomplish that with grub and fedora core 3, debian shouldn't be any different as far as booting goes. |
| 06:32.43 | nvz | bbhill: try it sometime, its hard to follow |
| 06:32.53 | nvz | bbhill: they are general guidelines to help us understand how to deal with it |
| 06:33.06 | Lazee | hmm |
| 06:33.08 | Lazee | on that page |
| 06:33.14 | Lazee | it doesnt have #debian |
| 06:33.18 | Lazee | which one should i use |
| 06:33.19 | dondelelcaro | mas: the people in #xebian will be able to help you much better... |
| 06:33.25 | dondelelcaro | oh, damnit... |
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| 06:33.35 | nvz | bbhill: its just like anything else, knowing is half the battle. Knowing how to get by in here gets you one step closer to actually doing it |
| 06:33.39 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: try it again |
| 06:33.48 | bob2 | mas: or #xboxlinux on irc.oftc.net |
| 06:33.54 | mas | oh, ok, just thought, could be the same solution !? |
| 06:34.15 | Lazee | hehehe |
| 06:34.25 | bob2 | that sounds very much xbox-specific |
| 06:34.28 | bbhill | nvz: I've been trying to get help with the same problem for 3 days in here, and only get smart assed remarks. Not to beat a dead horse, but eh i dont see how the rules will help me. Thank you for pointing them out though. |
| 06:34.49 | m0rbid | Hey guys, I just did the floppy install and am getting Grub Error 18.. I didnt change anything really from default install, and let the install use the entire drive (cept for default swap). Any ideas? |
| 06:34.49 | nvz | bbhill: even the operators who try keep the peace in here take a risk everytime they remove someone, with the reactions others have to it and such.. its a very delicate balance |
| 06:35.00 | pipeline | bbhill: Err, what was your problem? |
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| 06:35.07 | bucky | bbhill may i /msg you |
| 06:35.27 | mas | no such channel :o( |
| 06:35.37 | nvz | bbhill: you have to be persistant and try to explain the best you can. Patience is a virtue, if someone is beinf more of a problem than a solution just /ignore |
| 06:35.47 | bbhill | bucky sure man |
| 06:36.09 | nvz | bbhill: I seen your alsa inquiry earlier, I just dont know enough about alsa to be more than an ass myself, so I havent said anything about it |
| 06:36.12 | bob2 | bbhill: 3 days is well beyond the point where people should give up |
| 06:36.17 | bob2 | and ask a mailing list |
| 06:36.47 | paster | "Lazee" at 144.136.177.153 pasted "Section of my dhcpd.conf" (6 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/178 |
| 06:37.00 | nvz | thats part of knowing what you are working with, this is just a random group of users, they dont nessicarily know everything. |
| 06:37.09 | nvz | with any luck we can at least point you in the right direction |
| 06:37.17 | pipeline | bbhill isn't in my logs asking a question in the last six hours anyway. |
| 06:37.22 | Malf | what happened with alsa? I had a fun little tango with it a few days ago |
| 06:37.29 | m0rbid | me too |
| 06:37.29 | Malf | or what's your difficulty with it rather? |
| 06:37.30 | nvz | pipeline: you got holy logs |
| 06:37.32 | Malf | (i'm probably useless) |
| 06:37.36 | bbhill | pipeline : you're incorrect. |
| 06:37.39 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: that's not the part that defines the subnet. |
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| 06:37.43 | mas | what would you do if you had this problem with debian on pc ? |
| 06:37.47 | Lazee | :/ |
| 06:37.57 | Lazee | it has like |
| 06:38.00 | pipeline | nvz: I leave holier logs in the restroom than most people keep in their IRC tabernacles. |
| 06:38.00 | Lazee | 3 sections for subnet |
| 06:38.17 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: you need something like subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {range 192.168.0.30 192.168.0.50;} |
| 06:38.45 | nvz | pipeline: haha, well he asked an alsa question like 30 minutes ago |
| 06:38.46 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: then, you need to make sure that dhcpd is only listening on the inside interface, not the outside one. |
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| 06:39.21 | Lazee | where in dhcpd.conf is that |
| 06:39.36 | m0rbid | hmmm, this is strange, I just let the install use what defaults it finds, and still get that dangit Grub Error 18! I have tried to even do the hdd partitions myself.. Maybe its the install version I am using? |
| 06:39.39 | Vamp|Man| | i've been trying for day's to get a network card to work on a system that is running debian |
| 06:39.52 | Vamp|Man| | i've tried both a dlink and a 3com which both should work with the kernal' |
| 06:40.17 | Vamp|Man| | well, actually i havn't even gotten passed installing debian with the netinst because i can't get these nics to work |
| 06:40.22 | Vamp|Man| | i'm going nuts here! heh |
| 06:40.26 | bbhill | nvz: well i appreciate your input and your explaining of it in a resonable manner. Unfortunately my opinion hasnt really changed. |
| 06:40.42 | burd | Vamp|Man: what model 3com? |
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| 06:40.52 | Lazee | what should the broadcast-address be in dhcpd.conf |
| 06:41.24 | nvz | bbhill: like bob2 said, try a malining list.. those reach a much wider audience, and people getting 600 emails an hour from a mailing list arent reading them all and wasting time with wise ass responses.. only people who know respond |
| 06:41.38 | Vamp|Man| | burd- 3com etherlink xl 3c900b-tpo |
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| 06:41.55 | ma | is the sarge net nstall down? |
| 06:41.58 | bob2 | if something takes more than 2 lines of shell to fix, I don't think IRC is the way to get help |
| 06:42.00 | CAiRO | hmm, are there any sites that collect 'meta' themes that fit together for all kind of applications, like grub/splash image, bootsplash, gdm, gtk/kde themes, window manager themes, xmms and mplayer themes and so on? where can i find a theme that will make them all look similar? |
| 06:42.03 | nvz | bbhill: and try ask specific questions. your minor issues can probably be resolved here. |
| 06:42.26 | CAiRO | possibly firefox, too |
| 06:42.28 | burd | network address is the 0 address such as 192.168.0.0 the broadcast address is always the last in the subnet such as 192.168.0.255 |
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| 06:43.15 | ma | hello? |
| 06:43.26 | bucky | ?olleh |
| 06:43.39 | Lazee | he?olo |
| 06:43.43 | Lazee | :( |
| 06:43.47 | ma | is the sarge netinstall down for tonight |
| 06:43.53 | bucky | hope not |
| 06:43.57 | dondelelcaro | !cdimage mirror |
| 06:44.04 | Lazee | dondelelcaro :) |
| 06:44.20 | ma | huh? |
| 06:44.21 | Xemacs_ | dpkg WAKEUP |
| 06:44.21 | dpkg | no idea, Xemacs_ |
| 06:44.38 | dondelelcaro | !d-i mirror |
| 06:44.38 | dpkg | it has been said that d-i mirror is see <backup d-i images>, or http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/, or http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/, or http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage |
| 06:44.53 | ma | well, i have the image file on cd |
| 06:44.59 | dondelelcaro | !cdimage mirror is <reply> see d-i mirror |
| 06:44.59 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 06:45.06 | ma | but when i go to install it says it cannot locate the mirrors |
| 06:45.06 | m0rbid | ok guys, now I am begging.. this is aggravating.. I have no idea what this error is, specially when I am not specifying anything other than default install, (debian making all the settings)... Did anyone run into this grub error? |
| 06:45.10 | paster | "Lazee" at 144.136.177.153 pasted "Subnet info dhcpd.conf" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/179 |
| 06:45.22 | dondelelcaro | ma: oh, that means that you haven't selected a reasonable mirror. |
| 06:45.23 | ma | m0rbid, 216? |
| 06:45.23 | bob2 | m0rbid: please don't 'beg' |
| 06:45.28 | bob2 | it makes you look too annoying to help |
| 06:45.34 | ma | i didnt see where you select them |
| 06:45.37 | nvz | there should be a legit way to link factoid data to another factiod name |
| 06:45.38 | m0rbid | ma: 18 |
| 06:45.59 | m0rbid | bob2: sry, just aggravated, this seems to be a new install, not sued to it. |
| 06:46.02 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: uh, that's still not it. It should look like what I pasted |
| 06:46.06 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: you need something like subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {range 192.168.0.30 192.168.0.50;} |
| 06:46.06 | m0rbid | used* |
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| 06:46.27 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: there's an example of it in the aforementioned URL |
| 06:46.42 | Okay | is it possible to search for a string in many files? |
| 06:46.49 | Guerin | Okay: anything's possible |
| 06:46.52 | nvz | Okay: rgrep |
| 06:46.54 | b33r | am I screwed if i did make config on a new kernel before I updated the symlink? |
| 06:47.29 | bob2 | m0rbid: boot using floppies and run 'grub-install' once you're in |
| 06:47.36 | bob2 | b33r: what symlink? |
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| 06:47.41 | b33r | i was told to do rm linux bob2 |
| 06:47.47 | nvz | b33r: you were screwed the minute you didnt use kernel-package |
| 06:47.51 | bob2 | b33r: of what? |
| 06:47.54 | Lazee | okay i'll go back to the paster and paste the 3 example subnets they gave, then you can tell me which one is right |
| 06:48.00 | bob2 | you need to provide a lot more context |
| 06:48.00 | b33r | bob2 no clue |
| 06:48.05 | m0rbid | bob2: ok, Ill give it a shot/ |
| 06:48.17 | bob2 | b33r: you have no idea where you ran this command? |
| 06:48.18 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: no, you don't need one of the three examples. You need one that is exactly like the one I just gave you. |
| 06:48.28 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: read through that documentation. It's short, and it explains it all fairly well. |
| 06:48.33 | paster | "Lazee" at 144.136.177.153 pasted "Subnet Examples dhcpd.conf" (23 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/180 |
| 06:48.36 | b33r | bob2, i did apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 06:48.41 | nvz | my guess is he's building some kernel following a non-debian howto |
| 06:48.53 | Lazee | what ocumentation? |
| 06:48.54 | b33r | bob2, then tried rm linux in /usr/src |
| 06:49.02 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: you'll notice those are all commented out? that's not going to work. |
| 06:49.02 | bob2 | b33r: er, why would you do that? |
| 06:49.06 | bob2 | b33r: but anyway, it doesn't matter |
| 06:49.16 | Lazee | they are examples, dondelelcaro |
| 06:49.17 | b33r | no clue bob2, just reading a howto :( |
| 06:49.18 | bob2 | b33r: oh, wait, you're not symlinking into /usr/include/, are you? |
| 06:49.22 | Lazee | examples in the dhcdpd.conf file |
| 06:49.23 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: http://oob.freeshell.org/nzwireless/dhcpd.html <- this documentation. |
| 06:49.24 | bob2 | b33r: what howto? |
| 06:49.31 | b33r | http://obsidianrook.com/devnotes/2face.html |
| 06:49.40 | m0rbid | bob2: even off a fresh install? |
| 06:49.48 | Lazee | i have to take the info i have and write my own part of the file.. the examplea re supposed to be guides |
| 06:49.48 | nvz | b33r: what are you trying to do, is more important |
| 06:50.03 | m0rbid | bob2: is it in the install menu? |
| 06:50.05 | bob2 | m0rbid: even what off a fresh install? |
| 06:50.05 | nvz | b33r: loose the non-debian howto and problems attached and just get to the source of the problem |
| 06:50.06 | b33r | i am trying to update to 2.6.8 from 2.4 nvz |
| 06:50.11 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: exaclty, and I've already given you a gigantic hint. In fact, I've already written that part of the file for you. |
| 06:50.13 | bob2 | m0rbid: I don't know what you're talking about |
| 06:50.17 | nvz | b33r: are you using woody? |
| 06:50.19 | bob2 | m0rbid: grub-install isn't on any menu |
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| 06:50.30 | b33r | well i updated from woody to darge nvz |
| 06:50.34 | m0rbid | bob2: this was a freash install, when it said to remove media, and reboot, I got Grub error 18. |
| 06:50.39 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: however, you've got to understand what it's doing, which is why you need to read that tiny howto that I just gave you the URL of. |
| 06:50.42 | b33r | *sarge |
| 06:50.57 | bob2 | b33r: why are you building a kernel at all? sarge contains 2.6.8 as binaries for all architectures. |
| 06:51.02 | bob2 | m0rbid: ok |
| 06:51.02 | Lazee | okay |
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| 06:51.07 | nvz | b33r: well in sarge there are images available for 2.6.8, already built. if you want to build your own, you need to learn about kernel-package and how it works, and it quite simple |
| 06:51.22 | bob2 | m0rbid: I have no idea what might of caused it...#debian-boot would be the place to ask, that's where all the installer dudes hang out |
| 06:51.23 | CaD | hello all. i just reinstalled debian and i'm having some routing issues...anyone able to help? |
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| 06:51.37 | m0rbid | bob2: thx, Ill check there. |
| 06:51.40 | Lazee | CaD: hehehehe |
| 06:51.41 | b33r | nvz, well i have 2.4 then i changed my source file from all stable to sarge |
| 06:51.59 | TNT4u | hello, who has already installed debian under alpha servers? |
| 06:52.04 | Malf | routing issues? |
| 06:52.05 | CaD | yeah i cant ping crap and i thought i had my routing table setup correctly |
| 06:52.05 | b33r | nvz, what command can i issue to check what kernel its running |
| 06:52.14 | bob2 | b33r: uname -r |
| 06:52.31 | nvz | b33r: yeah we understand that, what we dont understand is why you did this, and why you dont just install a kernel-image-2.6.8 package |
| 06:52.36 | bob2 | b33r: it's not the default, but you can install it: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8.1-1-386 |
| 06:53.01 | b33r | ok i have 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 06:53.21 | b33r | I was doing it because I thought that shorewall would work under 2.6 |
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| 06:53.37 | nvz | b33r: you might want to take bob2's suggestion and run with it |
| 06:53.45 | CaD | my gateway is 10.0.0.5, and i have a default route entry and i still cant ping it...and yes i have lights and cables are plugged in |
| 06:53.45 | b33r | was under the assumption that my current kernel didnt have netfiler on |
| 06:54.11 | CaD | this is on one of these dell sc420's that were on the cheap last week ;) |
| 06:54.16 | b33r | ok thanks bob2 and nvz will try that |
| 06:54.24 | bob2 | b33r: it doesn't support all netfilter modules, but you don't need to compile anything to get it |
| 06:54.31 | b33r | oh :( |
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| 06:54.40 | TNT4u | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.47 | bob2 | b33r: I'm refering to your current kernel |
| 06:54.55 | bob2 | TNT4u: we're all just waiting for you to ask your question |
| 06:54.57 | b33r | so add the ipt_* into /etc/modules bib2 ? |
| 06:55.03 | CaD | i have a route entry for my local network, my loopback and my gateway, and yet i cant ping anything but myself, any ideas? |
| 06:55.07 | b33r | bob2* |
| 06:55.09 | bob2 | b33r: dude |
| 06:55.16 | bob2 | b33r: upgrade your kernel, then come back |
| 06:55.27 | bob2 | tho shorewall loads all the modules it needs anyway |
| 06:55.29 | b33r | ya I have no clue what im doing, ok will do |
| 06:56.10 | TNT4u | im @ caracas and have already dowloaded debian for alpha |
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| 06:56.41 | TNT4u | but need some info about how to deal with alpha bios issues |
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| 06:57.01 | nvz | TNT4u: we're still waiting on your question. |
| 06:57.28 | Malf | I enjoy the background. It's like being read a bedtime story |
| 06:57.35 | nvz | heh |
| 06:58.03 | nvz | its a story that often wakes me up instead of putting me to sleep |
| 06:58.11 | TNT4u | need an addres of a howto install debian into alpha servers, please help |
| 06:58.25 | TNT4u | sorry my english |
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| 06:58.52 | nvz | TNT4u: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/alpha/install |
| 06:58.58 | nvz | imagine that |
| 06:59.09 | nvz | answering questions isnt so hard when they are asked. |
| 06:59.35 | b33r | typed apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8.1-1-386 and nothign was echoed back |
| 06:59.47 | bob2 | did you press enter? |
| 06:59.50 | b33r | yes |
| 07:00.00 | CaD | is your system setup for apt to only use the cd? |
| 07:00.00 | bob2 | and it printed nothing at all? |
| 07:00.02 | Lazee | dondelelcaro: what should the domain-name be in the dhcp cofn |
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| 07:00.12 | b33r | nothing at all, just went # |
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| 07:00.42 | dondelelcaro | (about the microscopes... no clue about backplanes ;-)) |
| 07:01.06 | b33r | ok sry sp error |
| 07:01.08 | b33r | :/ |
| 07:01.13 | Malf | hah |
| 07:01.17 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: that's just what search will be set to. |
| 07:01.29 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: it's not terribly important unless you don't like typing in your FQDN all the time. |
| 07:01.30 | bob2 | a spelling error will not make it print nothing |
| 07:01.35 | bob2 | unless your shell is terribly crap |
| 07:01.42 | dondelelcaro | like tsch or something |
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| 07:01.47 | dondelelcaro | tcsh |
| 07:01.57 | Malf | hey leave my precious tcsh alone! |
| 07:01.59 | Malf | (no malf) |
| 07:02.01 | shadda | Alright. How do i setup apache (installed through apt-get) so that it uses php5? |
| 07:02.09 | Raf256 | SATA hdd's work good with debian sid? |
| 07:02.10 | bob2 | php5 isn't in Debian |
| 07:02.17 | dondelelcaro | Raf256: I'm using a stack of them now |
| 07:02.20 | shadda | i found a source for it |
| 07:02.20 | bob2 | you'll need to talk to whoever made the packages you're using |
| 07:02.23 | b33r | no it just wasnt able to connect to non-us debian ftp servers then it said couldnt find "mis-spelled" |
| 07:02.44 | Raf256 | is such condig a good idea: hda - root filesystem, boot, /etc, SCASSI - for /home/ and /backup/ ? |
| 07:02.45 | TNT4u | Thanks guys ... let me try ... thanks again |
| 07:02.48 | TNT4u | bye |
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| 07:03.17 | paster | "Lazee" at 144.136.177.153 pasted "my new dhcdp.conf file" (58 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/181 |
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| 07:03.47 | CaD | fixed my route problem. now its on to the new kernel to get rid of this super ugly 'ide2: unexpected interrupt' error from my SATA drive |
| 07:04.29 | Raf256 | any hints about choosing SATA hdd? or any one should be fine? |
| 07:04.30 | nvz | ooo unexpected, sounds more mysterious than a spurious inturrupt. |
| 07:04.38 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: 1) remove the DHCPDARGS line 2) remove the ddns-update-style ad-hoc; line 3) subnet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 { should be subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { |
| 07:04.45 | nvz | its like a surprise inturrupt |
| 07:04.51 | The_Vulture | Raf256: the real issue is the sata controller (on your mobo or expansion card) |
| 07:04.54 | Lazee | okay ill do that |
| 07:04.56 | CaD | lol, wouldnt be so bad if it didnt pop on the console every 5 seconds |
| 07:05.06 | dondelelcaro | CaD: use setterm to turn of the printk |
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| 07:05.12 | bob2 | !+printk |
| 07:05.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell CaD about printk console |
| 07:05.26 | dondelelcaro | !printk is <reply> see printk console |
| 07:05.26 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 07:05.27 | bob2 | debugging horribly crufty build systems is amazingly painful |
| 07:05.43 | Raf256 | The_Vulture- VIA mainboard that is. are some mainboards better or worse - where to read more about it? |
| 07:05.44 | dondelelcaro | bob2: blech. You're going to make me puke if you keep that up |
| 07:05.52 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: dpkg doesn't tell anyone about unknown factoids anymore? |
| 07:06.05 | burd | bob2: what does crufty mean? |
| 07:06.06 | dondelelcaro | bob2: um... dunno... |
| 07:06.13 | dondelelcaro | burd: dict crufty |
| 07:06.20 | burd | !dict crufty |
| 07:06.22 | dondelelcaro | burd: it's in the jargon file |
| 07:06.22 | CaD | s'ok i just ssh'd in and i'll upgrade the kernel and then the message will be gone |
| 07:06.23 | dpkg | could not find definition for crufty |
| 07:06.24 | The_Vulture | Raf256: the sata controller is what you need to find out about, your mobo documentation should list the controller chipset (which covers sata and other things), there are various compatability lists on the web |
| 07:06.28 | CaD | thx for the info |
| 07:06.36 | The_Vulture | I've yet to find out whether the controller on my via mobo is or is not supported. |
| 07:06.36 | dondelelcaro | burd: you need dict installed... dpkg doesn't search the jargon file. |
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| 07:06.43 | burd | ahh |
| 07:06.43 | bob2 | burd: old and crap, basically |
| 07:06.48 | The_Vulture | <out> |
| 07:06.58 | dondelelcaro | burd: you probably want dict anyway... |
| 07:07.06 | bob2 | it is built around makefile inheritence |
| 07:07.23 | bob2 | but isn't actually passing unimportant variables like 'destdir' down to some of the children |
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| 07:07.44 | Lazee_ | hehe, my old username is still here :p |
| 07:07.44 | CaD | i tried to use the 'new rc2' installer for debian |
| 07:07.48 | ericP | Is this the best dance to do when using aptitude and listbugs? |
| 07:07.49 | Lazee_ | okay dhcp works :) |
| 07:07.50 | CaD | ha...didnt work at all |
| 07:07.54 | ericP | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.58 | Lazee_ | now to get net working, hehe :p |
| 07:07.58 | CaD | i had to go back to the regular install |
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| 07:08.12 | ericP | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.13 | ericP | . |
| 07:09.00 | ericP | the "You need to restart apt to enable" implies it is, but the messages seem a bit dramatic |
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| 07:09.44 | ericP | i guess it boils down to whether apt has some feedback system for reducing the install set other than "failure" |
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| 07:10.23 | dondelelcaro | ericP: if you actually pasted the entire message, someone might be able to help you... |
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| 07:10.46 | burd | ty for the dict tip. i like that stuff |
| 07:11.49 | ericP | dondelelcaro, done -- pasted in #flood |
| 07:12.29 | ericP | dondelelcaro, really i just want to know if there's a graceful idiom for using listbugs |
| 07:13.21 | Lazee_ | dondelelcaro thanks for your help with dhcp, ill see how i go with getting the rest of it to work |
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| 07:18.30 | CaD | the fun begins, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:19.34 | Lazee_ | dondelelcaro my friend said last night sometime, that ipforward hadnt started and that was causing problems. does ipforward need to be started aswell as the firewall? |
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| 07:20.41 | burd | 8| |
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| 07:22.55 | ericP | dondelelcaro, were *you* might be able to help me? |
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| 07:37.01 | b33r | how can I check how much space is left on hda |
| 07:37.09 | b33r | hda0 maby |
| 07:37.31 | bbrazil | df |
| 07:39.17 | b33r | when i did apt-isntall kernell it said mkcramfs: ROM image write failed(wrote xxx of xxxxx bytes): no space left on device ? |
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| 07:41.18 | tklauser | Hi |
| 07:41.55 | hairy_potter | tklauser: hi |
| 07:41.56 | tklauser | Which will be the default Apache httpd on Debian Sarge? 1.3 or 2.0? |
| 07:42.07 | hairy_potter | 'apache' is 1.3 |
| 07:42.40 | CaD | why is boot 100%, you might want to fix that |
| 07:42.43 | hairy_potter | tklauser: 'apache2' is 2.0 |
| 07:42.53 | b33r | ya im wondering why its writing to /boot |
| 07:42.58 | b33r | dont know why |
| 07:42.58 | CaD | its 1.3, but you can uninstall and install the apache2 pkg |
| 07:43.03 | tklauser | hairy_potter: ic. But which one will be the default httpd? |
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| 07:43.16 | CaD | you are trying to upgrade the kernel, its going to write there |
| 07:43.53 | tklauser | hairy_potter, CaD: OK. Thanks. |
| 07:45.40 | burd | tklauser, apache will probably not be installed by default on debian is my best gues.. just like now |
| 07:46.19 | CaD | barely anything is installed by 'default', if you select the 'web server' prepackaged stuff, you'll get 1.3 |
| 07:46.19 | b33r | CaD, should i delete the vmlinuz 2.4.18 file out of /boot? |
| 07:46.24 | bob2 | b33r: your new kernel was trying to install itself to /boot/ |
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| 07:46.43 | b33r | which unforinatly I didnt partition enough space for |
| 07:46.51 | bob2 | so it seems |
| 07:47.06 | CaD | http://rtfm.dyndns.info/tips/2000/04/19/23.shtml |
| 07:47.14 | b33r | what can I do bob2? |
| 07:47.26 | b33r | reading that CaD, thanks |
| 07:47.51 | debian | Any way to enhance the intensity of the wifi broadcast? :) |
| 07:47.52 | b33r | well, i dont want to compile the source |
| 07:48.02 | b33r | im looking to install the image |
| 07:48.10 | spo0nman | CaD: isnt that very old? |
| 07:48.11 | CaD | its gives you a general idea of whats going on...good for the future |
| 07:48.25 | CaD | yeah its old...looks like 2000 :D |
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| 07:48.54 | b33r | so w*ould it be safe to dele vmlinuz 2.4.18 out of /boot? |
| 07:49.01 | bob2 | b33r: how big is /boot? |
| 07:49.02 | CaD | you are just installing the kernel with apt right? |
| 07:49.28 | CaD | you could move it to root and install the new kernel, if you are that tight on space |
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| 07:49.54 | CaD | just make sure there is a new vmlinuz file in there before you reboot and check your bootloader (lilo, etc) too |
| 07:50.01 | b33r | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.12 | CaD | more updated, http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
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| 07:51.07 | b33r | thanks for that guide CaD |
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| 07:51.26 | CaD | np |
| 07:51.29 | DerJamster | Mornin |
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| 07:51.34 | CaD | sup |
| 07:51.36 | bob2 | b33r: 8MB?!? |
| 07:51.49 | b33r | ya i dont know what I was thinking |
| 07:51.55 | b33r | worked ok with 2.4.18 |
| 07:52.00 | jm_ | 8M should be plenty for /boot |
| 07:52.20 | CaD | dist-upgrade complete, time for the telling reboot :D |
| 07:52.34 | bob2 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.5M 2005-01-08 17:27 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-1-686 |
| 07:52.51 | skyisblue | no good. |
| 07:53.08 | jm_ | ahh well I guess it's a bonus if one uses custom kernels without initrd |
| 07:53.09 | CaD | lol, LILO farb'd itself, gg upgrade |
| 07:53.35 | b33r | one thing (of many) im not clear on: when does /usr/src/linuk get created |
| 07:53.40 | b33r | linux* |
| 07:53.46 | jm_ | you don't need /usr/src/linux |
| 07:53.53 | b33r | all the guides say to delete it |
| 07:53.57 | CaD | you can create that yourself if you really want to |
| 07:54.01 | bob2 | b33r: you can just get rid of /boot entirely and put it all on / |
| 07:54.13 | bob2 | b33r: all those guides are old and wrong |
| 07:54.26 | b33r | ok so i can rm -r /boot? |
| 07:54.42 | jm_ | b33r: no |
| 07:54.43 | bob2 | it used to be traditional to have kernel source in /usr/src/linux, mostly because /usr/include/ had a symlink to your source dir |
| 07:54.47 | bob2 | the symlink is LOOONG gone, tho |
| 07:55.06 | bob2 | b33r: do you know which partition /boot is on? |
| 07:55.23 | b33r | hda1 |
| 07:55.29 | b33r | hda3 is / |
| 07:55.31 | bob2 | ok |
| 07:55.36 | bob2 | umount /boot |
| 07:55.42 | b33r | hda2 is swap methinks |
| 07:55.44 | bob2 | mount -t whatever /dev/hda1 /mnt/ |
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| 07:55.54 | bob2 | cp -a /mnt/* /boot/ |
| 07:56.03 | bob2 | then rerun lilo or whatever |
| 07:56.10 | bob2 | then reinstall the kernel image, I think |
| 07:56.11 | CaD | lilo fixed...weeeeeee |
| 07:56.40 | CaD | yeah me to, except at work |
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| 07:56.55 | jm_ | b33r: and fix your fstab so it won't mount /boot |
| 07:56.58 | CaD | mines mostly a test/development box at home |
| 07:57.15 | diomedes | pissed off can't get debian to install on my old ultra5 |
| 07:57.42 | bob2 | just comment out the /boot line in fstab |
| 07:57.46 | bob2 | fuck it's hot |
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| 07:58.33 | skyisblue | does anyone here to use nitro-patch to linux? |
| 07:58.35 | burd | hot?? |
| 07:58.51 | bob2 | 34C is above my ability to work |
| 07:59.05 | burd | what is that in F? |
| 07:59.07 | b33r | bob, mount -t whatever /dev/hda1 /mnt/ |
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| 07:59.16 | b33r | 'whatever' would be /boot? |
| 07:59.34 | DerJamster | whatever would be the filesys |
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| 07:59.50 | b33r | ext2 i hope |
| 07:59.57 | dexxa | hi |
| 08:00.20 | dexxa | i have a problem with mit keymaps/charset after su - |
| 08:01.17 | CaD | i made changes to the sshd config file, whats the best way to restart sshd? |
| 08:01.33 | DerJamster | CaD: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 08:01.34 | CaD | sighup? |
| 08:01.41 | CaD | that works too :D |
| 08:01.41 | DerJamster | :) |
| 08:01.54 | CaD | as you can tell i have lots of redhat/suse at work :( |
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| 08:02.10 | DerJamster | SuSE also has /etc/init.d ;) Dunno bout RedHat. |
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| 08:02.41 | CaD | yeah they have the 'service sshd restart' |
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| 08:03.04 | b33r | bob2 i cant umount /boot, says device is busy; twice! |
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| 08:03.15 | DerJamster | are you in the dir? |
| 08:03.17 | DerJamster | in the console? |
| 08:03.18 | b33r | no |
| 08:03.26 | DerJamster | hmh |
| 08:03.30 | b33r | well i dont have a windows manager |
| 08:03.38 | b33r | so terminal? |
| 08:03.40 | b33r | or console |
| 08:03.55 | skyisblue | b33r: why don't you just reinstall? |
| 08:03.56 | kreyszig | Since I've installed a new kernel 2.4.19, dhclient stopped to work. How can I fix it? |
| 08:04.05 | b33r | i dont have a cdrom drive |
| 08:04.41 | b33r | is there a "force" umount? |
| 08:05.10 | DerJamster | yes |
| 08:05.10 | bucky | kreyszig, some people have installed pump |
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| 08:05.12 | DerJamster | umount -f |
| 08:05.29 | b33r | makes sense :x |
| 08:05.38 | bucky | kreyszig, why would dhclient stop working?.. i don't understand |
| 08:05.38 | CaD | man pages are amazing |
| 08:06.13 | kreyszig | bucky: It says "socket: Protocol not available - make sure CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are defined in your kernel configuration" |
| 08:06.14 | b33r | illegal seek |
| 08:06.24 | Okay | when you download a debian package with lynx, is there a way to save that package to disk instead of having it automatically ask for an install, if the package fails it doesn't get saved, i need to have it saved on disk. |
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| 08:06.41 | kreyszig | but I have defined these two variables into my kernel |
| 08:06.49 | skyisblue | kreyszig: so kernel compile issues. upgrade your kernel 2.6.x |
| 08:06.51 | CaD | i thought the default in lynx was to save it |
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| 08:07.10 | DerJamster | Okay: press 'd' when highlighting the link |
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| 08:07.17 | bucky | i've heard of this problem.. i just don't understand it *shrug* |
| 08:07.21 | DerJamster | Okay: though that -could- have been a links/elinks only, not lynx...try it. |
| 08:07.36 | bob2 | skyisblue: please don't give crap advice to people |
| 08:07.47 | bob2 | b33r: something is accessing /boot, close it |
| 08:08.08 | bob2 | kreyszig: 2.4.19 is insanely old |
| 08:08.54 | kreyszig | bob2: It is the newest kernel I've found in the packages list? |
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| 08:09.13 | bob2 | kreyszig: only if you're using woody |
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| 08:09.22 | bob2 | if you're using that, just use a kernel-image |
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| 08:09.27 | CaD | i just installed so im at 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 08:09.37 | b33r | ps shows that only bash and ps are running bob2 |
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| 08:09.51 | CaD | just finished upgrading to testing, and i think after some sleep i'll upgrade the kernel to 2.6 |
| 08:10.06 | ukh | video conferance stuff - is there anything of the kind in Debian? |
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| 08:10.30 | bob2 | b33r: no idea then |
| 08:10.44 | bob2 | lsof | grep /boot |
| 08:10.45 | kreyszig | bob2: sorry, what is meant by woody exactly? |
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| 08:10.48 | DerJamster | b33r: did you type 'ps' or 'ps afx'? |
| 08:10.52 | b33r | just ps |
| 08:10.52 | bob2 | fucking british layout |
| 08:11.03 | bob2 | b33r: 18:10:44 bob2 | lsof | grep /boot |
| 08:11.12 | bob2 | ukh: gnomemetting for instanmce |
| 08:11.15 | bob2 | if you spell it correctly |
| 08:11.25 | bucky | apt-cache show gnomemeeting |
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| 08:11.49 | DerJamster | b33r: try ps afx and see what's running. :) ps just shows the processes you started in that bash session. Though try that lsof thing first. |
| 08:11.51 | kreyszig | Is woody the stable branch? |
| 08:11.56 | bob2 | yes |
| 08:12.00 | kreyszig | ok |
| 08:12.14 | bob2 | kreyszig: why are you compiling it? |
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| 08:12.24 | b33r | lsof is unknown command |
| 08:12.46 | kreyszig | I wanted my kernel to have support of my ethernet card |
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| 08:12.51 | skyisblue | b33r: apt-get install lsof |
| 08:13.26 | skyisblue | kreyszig: what is your ethernet card? |
| 08:13.26 | Okay | is there a utiliity to remove packages that are corrupted? |
| 08:13.45 | bob2 | no |
| 08:13.54 | bob2 | that would be of very limited use |
| 08:13.58 | kreyszig | skyisblue: Broadcom BCM5702 Gigabit Ethernet |
| 08:14.05 | kreyszig | exit |
| 08:14.08 | kreyszig | sorry |
| 08:14.21 | CaD | haha i have to install that card too |
| 08:14.22 | bob2 | kreyszig: www.backports.org has a wide range of modern kernels |
| 08:14.23 | skyisblue | Okay: aptitude and "_" |
| 08:14.28 | CaD | stupid dell and its broadcom |
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| 08:15.30 | kreyszig | It looks like that some kernel files are not updated when I dpkg -i a new kernel. |
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| 08:17.12 | skyisblue | kreyszig: you have to kernel compile. http://linuxquestions.org |
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| 08:17.21 | b33r | if i have a p3 should i use 686 or will 386 work |
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| 08:17.41 | skyisblue | sorry, here another cheap machine, for the irc ;) |
| 08:17.51 | kreyszig | I've tried to deinstall my kernel 2.4.19 with dpkg -r and reinstall the kernel 2.2.20 with dpkg -i, but it was still looking for 2.4.19 modules and "uname" was still returning 2.4.19. I had taken care to "rm -r /usr/lib/modules/2.4.19" before. What am I doing wrong? |
| 08:17.55 | DerJamster | b33r: both work. 686 is of course optimized. |
| 08:17.55 | bob2 | b33r: either |
| 08:18.02 | bob2 | 686 might be faster in some cases |
| 08:18.12 | bob2 | kreyszig: erm, no |
| 08:18.23 | bob2 | kreyszig: you have to reboot into the new kernel before anything changes |
| 08:18.33 | b33r | where is apt-get default install directory? |
| 08:18.35 | kreyszig | bob2: I had rebooted |
| 08:18.45 | CaD | (b33r): depends on the app |
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| 08:18.53 | b33r | kernel-images |
| 08:19.06 | bob2 | kreyszig: you didn't reboot into the new one |
| 08:19.08 | bob2 | or old one |
| 08:19.15 | bob2 | b33r: everything is installed relative to / |
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| 08:19.41 | b33r | ok now should i be using grep to find a file? |
| 08:19.53 | kreyszig | bob2: But how could I have reboot into the old one if all the files from the old kernel have been deleted? |
| 08:19.56 | bucky | CaD, which dell server is it? |
| 08:19.57 | b33r | :/ |
| 08:20.12 | bob2 | b33r: now what are you doing? |
| 08:20.17 | bob2 | I told you exact commands to run to fix this |
| 08:20.23 | bob2 | kreyszig: I have no idea |
| 08:20.30 | CaD | sc420 super deal from last week |
| 08:21.08 | CaD | i ended up getting a p4 2.8/512mb/40gb for like $350 |
| 08:21.17 | CaD | thats about a $900 server or so |
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| 08:21.23 | CSWookie | What is the recommended package to use to get java compatibility? Is there an official sun one, or is blackdown still the thing, or is there someone else? |
| 08:21.36 | b33r | ya i still cant umount /boot bob2 , so im trying to free up some space |
| 08:21.44 | bob2 | b33r: come on dude |
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| 08:21.50 | bob2 | b33r: lsof | grep /boot |
| 08:22.10 | b33r | ok sorry im sharring this net connection between 2 computers |
| 08:22.25 | b33r | need to go grab lsof |
| 08:22.27 | kreyszig | Which kernels are not too unstable above 2.4.19? |
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| 08:22.34 | bob2 | kreyszig: any of them |
| 08:22.42 | bob2 | 2.4.28 is the most recent |
| 08:22.48 | bob2 | but I don't htink it's on backports.org yet |
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| 08:23.40 | Skiver | i have a usb printer detected, how do i add printer in cups ? |
| 08:24.03 | Skiver | i'm in the web ui now http://localhost:631/ |
| 08:24.20 | skyisblue | kreyszig: try 2.6.x. it is better. |
| 08:24.26 | skyisblue | !mepis |
| 08:24.27 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. |
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| 08:24.41 | bob2 | skyisblue: is there a point to that? |
| 08:24.48 | bob2 | and stop giving terrible advice |
| 08:24.51 | DerJamster | skyisblue: Please enlighten us with details about the actual advantages of 2.6.* |
| 08:25.05 | DerJamster | Instead of just saying 'it is better' |
| 08:25.15 | skyisblue | http://kerneltrap.org go there. |
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| 08:25.35 | DerJamster | heh. |
| 08:25.42 | skyisblue | it must be better for desktop usage. |
| 08:25.53 | bob2 | 'must be'? |
| 08:25.58 | DerJamster | It must be? I've not noticed any differences so far, between 2.4 and 2.6.. |
| 08:25.59 | skyisblue | yes. |
| 08:26.01 | DeadZed- | DerJamster 2.6 kernel detects my tv-card for example |
| 08:26.12 | DerJamster | DeadZed-: Yes, but does kreyszig have one? :> |
| 08:26.40 | DerJamster | Or has horrible performance that is kernel-related..But in other cases..? |
| 08:26.44 | DeadZed- | How old is linux kernel anyway? |
| 08:26.48 | DeadZed- | 30 years? |
| 08:26.56 | skyisblue | 1990 |
| 08:26.57 | DerJamster | 199...1 or 1994, not sure. |
| 08:26.59 | bob2 | 4 years this year |
| 08:27.03 | bob2 | er, 14 |
| 08:27.08 | DerJamster | ah :) |
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| 08:27.24 | DeadZed- | Linus took that kernel from mips , right? |
| 08:27.29 | DeadZed- | no |
| 08:27.32 | hairy_potter | DeadZed-: I'm sure Emacs is older than you |
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| 08:27.48 | bob2 | no |
| 08:27.58 | bob2 | it was originally i386, and written from scratch |
| 08:28.03 | DeadZed- | What was it called again .. that original os |
| 08:28.06 | bob2 | he bootstrapped it using minix |
| 08:28.21 | DeadZed- | he took some basic os and built form it |
| 08:28.26 | skyisblue | but not copied minix |
| 08:28.29 | bob2 | no |
| 08:28.39 | bob2 | he wrote linux from scratch |
| 08:28.51 | bob2 | afaict he developed it on minix, but that's not the same thing |
| 08:28.52 | skyisblue | micro vs monolithic |
| 08:28.59 | hairy_potter | of course, he didn't write the Linux-From-Scratch howto |
| 08:29.10 | b33r | ok bob2 echo was "klogd 3616 root 2r REG 3,1 559088 13 /boot/system.map-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 08:29.27 | hairy_potter | 20 years of stuff --> archives: http://www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html |
| 08:29.33 | bob2 | b33r: ok, /etc/init.d/sysklogd stop |
| 08:29.54 | hairy_potter | with lots of "first mention of $word", etc.,. |
| 08:31.01 | skyisblue | sysvconfig.. rcconf.. sys v .. aptitude |
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| 08:31.30 | b33r | bob2: syslogd daemon was stopped, was that what was reading /boot ? |
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| 08:32.52 | hairy_potter | ~do a line of Coke |
| 08:32.54 | apt | ACTION does a line of Coke. |
| 08:33.32 | CSWookie | skyisblue: You've sure got an almighty hard-on for this mepis thing. |
| 08:33.32 | hairy_potter | skyisblue: why so? |
| 08:33.52 | DeadZed- | This is great! http://www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html |
| 08:34.10 | skyisblue | no idea. after seeing ranking on distrowatch :) |
| 08:34.24 | skyisblue | !distrowatch |
| 08:34.24 | dpkg | hmm... distrowatch is for the ppl who wants "based" distro. http://distrowatch.com |
| 08:34.34 | CSWookie | skyisblue: OH. I misunderstood. I thought you were saying they SHOULD use it. |
| 08:34.35 | bob2 | b33r: yes |
| 08:34.47 | Phated | No, he says "must". |
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| 08:35.03 | CSWookie | Phated: I know. I misunderstood. As I stated. |
| 08:35.07 | bob2 | distrowatch is probably the most useless site in the linux world |
| 08:35.14 | Phated | Even moreso than linuxquestions |
| 08:35.16 | Phated | ? |
| 08:35.28 | bob2 | linuxquestions at least aims to give people help |
| 08:35.32 | Phated | Ahh. |
| 08:35.37 | bucky | DeadZed-, in the old days there was and irc channel called #minnix and linus was a noob and they laughed at him |
| 08:35.38 | bucky | http://people.fluidsignal.com/~luferbu/misc/Linus_vs_Tanenbaum.html |
| 08:35.38 | skyisblue | sorry engish uhmm .. i must learn english more. |
| 08:35.40 | b33r | bob2 umount -f /boot still vurps |
| 08:35.42 | bob2 | distrowatch seems to aim to give distro fanboys somewhere to masturbate |
| 08:35.44 | b33r | burps* |
| 08:35.47 | bob2 | b33r: don't use -f |
| 08:35.54 | DeadZed- | bucky hahaaaa |
| 08:35.57 | CSWookie | skyisblue: No, the fault was mine there. You were correct. |
| 08:35.57 | DeadZed- | :) |
| 08:36.00 | b33r | then it just says its busy |
| 08:36.17 | DeadZed- | Linus was some punk finnish bastard who couldnt speak english :) |
| 08:36.41 | DeadZed- | I speak finnish :) |
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| 08:36.56 | bucky | DeadZed-, according to RMS.. linus was an undergrad who decided to write a kernel "for fun" |
| 08:36.57 | CSWookie | DeadZed-: Yeah. But let's not make fun of his character flaws while he's not here to defend himself. |
| 08:37.13 | DeadZed- | Im reading it now , yes :) |
| 08:37.15 | hairy_potter | DeadZed-: and according to RMS, RMS is the saviour of the world |
| 08:37.35 | Skiver | anyone here experienced in USB printer setup ? |
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| 08:37.51 | hairy_potter | Skiver: probably |
| 08:37.54 | DeadZed- | Skiver Explore the KDE control center |
| 08:37.54 | herodes | can anybody help me?. When kde starts, i loose my mouse; /dev/psaux. I loose too console mouse gpm. |
| 08:38.00 | CSWookie | RMS make me irritated just thinking about him. |
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| 08:38.21 | hairy_potter | CSWookie: you think about his cleanliness? |
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| 08:38.26 | DeadZed- | hairy_potter Who is RMS? |
| 08:38.35 | Phated | Richard Stallman. |
| 08:38.38 | hairy_potter | !rms |
| 08:38.38 | dpkg | methinks rms is Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU project, as well as the original author of the GNU C Compiler and GNU Emacs, one hell of a lisp coder. see fsf. or "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free hackers" http://www.linuxcare.com/news_columns/interviews/index.epl |
| 08:38.39 | herodes | i tried doing dpkg-reconfigure xFree86 |
| 08:38.41 | bucky | DeadZed-, http://kerneltrap.org/node/4484 |
| 08:38.52 | CSWookie | hairy_potter: Given that he's a filthy hippy, that's hard to think about. |
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| 08:39.24 | hairy_potter | CSWookie: he came to my city to give a talk on "The Free Software movement and the GNU Operating System" |
| 08:39.36 | CSWookie | hairy_potter: How'd that work out for you? |
| 08:39.40 | bucky | RMS: I first read manuals and wrote programs on paper in 1962 or so. 1969 was when I first saw and used a real computer. |
| 08:39.50 | SiliconViper | herodes, try using /dev/input/mice, see if that helps. |
| 08:39.51 | hairy_potter | CSWookie: he was pretty cool and understanding. Like the place where he stayed was a 'hostel' of a poor university |
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| 08:40.18 | hairy_potter | CSWookie: and the university couldn't afford to give him a seperate 'Internet Connection' to the room where he stayed. |
| 08:40.20 | herodes | SiliconViper: i have sarge. and my mouse is ps/2 |
| 08:40.32 | SiliconViper | herodes, so? |
| 08:40.40 | DerJamster | herodes: /dev/psaux is obsolete |
| 08:40.42 | CSWookie | hairy_potter: Maybe I would dislike him less if I knew him personally. As it is, I just have his philosophy, which I dislike. Oh well. |
| 08:40.47 | DeadZed- | Internet connection was a luxury these days |
| 08:40.48 | SiliconViper | /dev/input/mice handles my PS/2 mouse just fine, also. |
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| 08:40.54 | bucky | hairy_potter, he had a good time at NAU and they took took him to see the Grand Canyon |
| 08:41.00 | nuiqbqwd | LILO LIVES IN A TRAILER PARK IN HOUSTON |
| 08:41.12 | CSWookie | nuiqbqwd: With Elvis? |
| 08:41.16 | nuiqbqwd | LINUX SUCKS |
| 08:41.20 | nuiqbqwd | SOLARIS OWNS U |
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| 08:41.23 | nuiqbqwd | BSD IS DEAD |
| 08:41.25 | skyisblue | "The Rise of Worse Is Better" to ars technica |
| 08:41.29 | nuiqbqwd | FUCK NIGGER KIKE SPICS JEWS |
| 08:41.29 | DeadZed- | all OS-s suck !!! |
| 08:41.38 | nuiqbqwd | COMPUTERS ARE FOR FAGGOTS |
| 08:41.40 | hairy_potter | CSWookie: and he never complained anything about the connection issues. he happily walked to the "Lab", used a floppy disk to download all his mails (about two floppy full :) ) and went back to his room to type out the replies. :) |
| 08:41.46 | CSWookie | Does that mean that BSD was God, before he bacame dead? |
| 08:41.50 | SiliconViper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:42.08 | herodes | SiliconViper. mice or mouse /dev/input ??? |
| 08:42.15 | SiliconViper | /dev/input/mice |
| 08:42.25 | hairy_potter | CSWookie: the "philosophy" by itself is fine, IMVHO. The only thing that bothers me is their stand on "GNU/Linux" vs "Linux". |
| 08:42.32 | Skiver | hairy_potter : how ? |
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| 08:42.51 | hairy_potter | Skiver: eh? |
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| 08:43.12 | mrclulkh | HY |
| 08:43.14 | bucky | hairy_potter, it's called GNU+Linux now |
| 08:43.24 | mrclulkh | LILO STILL LIVES IN TRAILER PARK LOL GNAA CALLED HIM TAXIS AND PIZZA |
| 08:43.24 | mrclulkh | LOL |
| 08:43.33 | CSWookie | hairy_potter: I think that the GPL, useful as it is, smells of hypocracy. Thus, I will judge it from the high ground, while benifitting from it. |
| 08:43.37 | neeko | mrclulkh: Jodie? |
| 08:43.43 | DeadZed- | Debian GNU/Linux its called I think |
| 08:43.53 | mrclulkh | GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA |
| 08:43.56 | herodes | SiliconViper. try so dpkg-reconfigure XFree86 with that option?? |
| 08:43.57 | bucky | mrclulkh, the bigger joke is our prez is from crawford |
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| 08:44.44 | SiliconViper | herodes, yesh. |
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| 08:44.44 | hairy_potter | bucky: DONT FEED THE TROLL |
| 08:44.44 | hairy_potter | trolls die when they run out of feed |
| 08:44.55 | CSWookie | hairy_potter: Not these trolls. They are persistent. |
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| 08:45.04 | skyisblue | isn't it bot? |
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| 08:45.13 | herodes | SiliconViper, ln -s /dev/input/mice /dev/psaux does not go? |
| 08:45.17 | CSWookie | skyisblue: Possibly. |
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| 08:45.26 | SiliconViper | herodes, I didn't say that. |
| 08:45.28 | ojqnfjla | LOL @ LILO |
| 08:45.31 | space | where does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 write the output config file to? |
| 08:45.32 | skyisblue | 212.129.62.123 traceroute |
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| 08:45.34 | bucky | slowaris.. sheesh |
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| 08:45.39 | bob2 | idiot |
| 08:45.49 | SiliconViper | space: /etc/X11/XFree86-Config-4 |
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| 08:46.06 | DeadZed- | How do I use dd to pack-up a partition to a folder on another part? To back up hdb5 to /mnt/hdb1/backup |
| 08:46.06 | SiliconViper | space: But it won't overwrite a file you've altered by hand. |
| 08:46.23 | space | SiliconViper: it doesn't for me |
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| 08:46.30 | SiliconViper | space: But it won't overwrite a file you've altered by hand. |
| 08:46.40 | space | I removed the file I altered, yet it still won't write it |
| 08:46.47 | SiliconViper | I know. |
| 08:46.52 | hairy_potter | DeadZed-: dd if=/dev/hdb5 of=/mnt/hdb1/backup/hdb5.image |
| 08:46.58 | herodes | SiliconViper, for editing by hand Xfre86-config-4 , put /dev/input/mice into and reload it...?? |
| 08:47.09 | DeadZed- | hairy_potter Thanks .. I try |
| 08:47.15 | SiliconViper | herodes, did you try it? |
| 08:47.26 | space | how do I get it to generate a file for me? |
| 08:47.26 | valdyn | space: /msg dpkg x md5 |
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| 08:47.31 | scaiocll | hi kids |
| 08:47.41 | scaiocll | i love using tor |
| 08:47.42 | herodes | SiliconViper: editing file best? |
| 08:47.43 | scaiocll | so many proxies |
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| 08:47.52 | b33r | bob2 is there any way to 1) istall an image on / and 2) make lilo boot from it? |
| 08:47.53 | SiliconViper | herodes, no. dpkg-reconfigure 'best'. |
| 08:48.02 | SiliconViper | Only hand-edit if you have to. |
| 08:48.05 | SiliconViper | Or want to. |
| 08:48.06 | bob2 | b33r: yes, that's what the steps I gave you would do |
| 08:48.14 | space | valdyn: thanks |
| 08:48.17 | b33r | ya i still cant umount /boot |
| 08:48.20 | SiliconViper | I mean, there's nothing *wrong* with hand-editing. |
| 08:48.28 | b33r | should i just comment it out in fstab? |
| 08:48.34 | bob2 | b33r: then paste the output of 'lsof | grep /boot' to #flood |
| 08:48.37 | SiliconViper | Just... dpkg-reconfigure is easier to help with, and to debug. |
| 08:48.56 | b33r | ok i worte it down, i will type it in |
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| 08:49.15 | herodes | which package is Xfree86?? |
| 08:49.21 | SiliconViper | xserver-xfree86 |
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| 08:49.24 | allie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:49.30 | gjjqekra | HI KIDDIES |
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| 08:49.53 | crtmyqev | LOL I AM A CYPHERPUNK |
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| 08:50.06 | sussudio | bob2: how about banning the ~webmaster ident |
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| 08:50.20 | rcdeulaz | hi fags |
| 08:50.26 | rcdeulaz | i have many porxy |
| 08:50.28 | rcdeulaz | lol |
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| 08:50.44 | Mage____ | interresting.. |
| 08:50.48 | herodes | SiliconViper, which package contains xfre86?? |
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| 08:50.57 | bob2 | like that? |
| 08:51.04 | SiliconViper | Pay attention, herodes. |
| 08:51.08 | sussudio | yeah, pretty much |
| 08:51.09 | SiliconViper | I already told you, silly. |
| 08:51.10 | SiliconViper | xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:51.25 | herodes | ok...sorry that |
| 08:51.37 | DebUser_ | !test |
| 08:51.38 | dpkg | Yes, debuser_, you're still online. |
| 08:51.38 | SiliconViper | Not a problem, just read more carefully next time. |
| 08:51.44 | b33r | why waste time like that |
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| 08:52.03 | CSWookie | b33r: He told you. He's a cypherpunk. |
| 08:52.10 | b33r | hhahaha |
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| 08:52.12 | SiliconViper | Oh noes? |
| 08:52.25 | CSWookie | b33r: l0lz0rzzzz... or words to that effect. |
| 08:52.28 | bob2 | b33r: pkill klogd |
| 08:52.58 | sussudio | bob2: looks like the little dildo is trying to crash dpkg again |
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| 08:53.14 | bob2 | hmm |
| 08:53.38 | sussudio | aren't you, DebUser_? |
| 08:53.47 | b33r | bob2 that did it |
| 08:53.56 | CSWookie | Why, praytell, did he decide to smite #debian in particular? Or is he smiting other rooms as well? |
| 08:54.21 | herodes | SiliconViper: my mouse is optical. NO problem with it? |
| 08:54.25 | bob2 | they're jealous of our smartness!11 |
| 08:54.37 | DerJamster | CSWookie: You're searching for some sort of logic there? :P |
| 08:54.52 | SiliconViper | herodes, nope, none. |
| 08:54.54 | skyisblue | p2p > zombie-box > smite |
| 08:54.58 | sussudio | SiliconViper: most of the crap last week was coming from your uni... |
| 08:55.13 | SiliconViper | sussudio, pardon? |
| 08:55.13 | b33r | bob2 can you repeat the other commabnds again please :P |
| 08:55.20 | b33r | for mounting /boot on / |
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| 08:55.44 | sussudio | s/SiliconViper/PlanarPlatypus/ |
| 08:55.51 | bob2 | b33r: mount -t whatever /dev/hda1 /mnt ; cp -a /mnt/* /boot/ ; comment it out from /etc/fstab |
| 08:55.59 | bob2 | whatever = the type of the /boot filesystem |
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| 08:56.12 | james01 | is there a program like DvdShrink for linux? |
| 08:56.30 | bob2 | james01: you should probably tell everyone what it does |
| 08:56.43 | SiliconViper | That depends, james01. What does this 'DvdShrink' do? |
| 08:57.24 | james01 | dvdshrink rips and shrinks the size of a movie dvd to fit on a 4.7 GB dvd+r or dvd-r |
| 08:57.38 | bob2 | then 'no' |
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| 08:57.46 | bob2 | you'll have to continue pirating dvds on windows |
| 08:57.57 | james01 | im not "pirating" |
| 08:57.57 | SiliconViper | I'd assume not. Unless you want to write one? |
| 08:58.02 | james01 | im trying to backup my dvds |
| 08:58.05 | SiliconViper | Right. |
| 08:58.19 | valdyn | james01: dvdbackup |
| 08:58.44 | james01 | i have dvdbackup, but i don't believe it will shrink the size of the dvd |
| 08:58.53 | SiliconViper | Then bzip it? |
| 08:58.55 | Phated | Don't believe, eh. |
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| 08:59.04 | valdyn | james01: yea thats correct, it wont shrink as you want it to |
| 08:59.17 | james01 | btw, i dont have a pirate ship or eye patch so dont call me a pirate |
| 08:59.35 | SiliconViper | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.40 | james01 | have you heard of fair use? |
| 08:59.43 | valdyn | james01: try google, shrinking dvd on linux is possible, just not w/ a single tool, according to what i read ~1 year ago, but that might have changed |
| 08:59.44 | Phated | Ho hum. Another day in #debian. |
| 08:59.58 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 09:00.05 | SiliconViper | Phated, so, what's new in your part of the world? |
| 09:00.18 | Phated | SiliconViper: Same old, same old. |
| 09:00.34 | SiliconViper | Good, then? |
| 09:00.40 | james01 | valdyn: do you know of any resources that explain how to encode a dvd into ogm or avi files? |
| 09:00.42 | Phated | Not too bad. You? |
| 09:00.47 | bob2 | a) you're not making use of 'fair use', you're pirating dvds of your friends |
| 09:00.51 | bob2 | b) look at acidrip |
| 09:01.02 | skyisblue | james01: try to search in http://freshmeat.net 152 projects |
| 09:01.16 | valdyn | james01: yea, the mplayer / transcode docs |
| 09:01.19 | SiliconViper | Phated, Pretty awesome, really. Finished a battle with my DNS servers this morning, but they're being good now. |
| 09:01.26 | Phated | SiliconViper: Ah, lovely. |
| 09:01.35 | SiliconViper | Aside from that, yeah. Good times. Lots of snow. |
| 09:01.41 | Phated | Fun. |
| 09:01.47 | james01 | thanks valdyn, skyisblue |
| 09:02.04 | iceman | pirating dvds of friends is perfectly legal where I live |
| 09:02.13 | valdyn | valdyn: also see dvdrip on marillat, thats a gui for just that |
| 09:02.20 | skyisblue | YAW(you are welcome) |
| 09:02.53 | james01 | can dvdrip encode dvd's into ogm or avi files? |
| 09:03.00 | CSWookie | Wow. I looked at that gnaa site... it's pretty hilarious. |
| 09:03.08 | valdyn | james01: sure |
| 09:03.15 | james01 | great, thanks |
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| 09:06.05 | SiliconViper | Well, I'm off to sleep now. Night everyone. |
| 09:06.09 | s-toned | can I use the locate-db to compare 2 snapshots of the filing system (e.g., before and after running a program) to see which files are new/deleted/altered? |
| 09:06.12 | skyisblue | bye. |
| 09:06.14 | zergouille | Hi. When I do `free -mt`, I see that most of the memory is marked as free, but resides in the field 'buffer/cache'. Is it possible to free all buffer/cache and to have the memory simply marked as free ? |
| 09:06.31 | bob2 | zergouille: why? |
| 09:06.32 | SlayerXP | zergouille: no, and you don't want it to |
| 09:06.32 | bbrazil | zergouille: why would you want to do that? |
| 09:06.35 | sussudio | !free memory |
| 09:06.36 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
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| 09:07.28 | b33r | bob2 will i need to edit lilo or any other files to point it to hda3 /boot/ ? |
| 09:07.42 | bob2 | b33r: the file locations haven't changed |
| 09:07.46 | bob2 | you will need to rerun lilo |
| 09:07.52 | anusaya | hi. debian supports ppc, correct? |
| 09:08.00 | sussudio | anusaya: #debianppc |
| 09:08.07 | anusaya | sussudio: thanks |
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| 09:09.08 | b33r | bob2: ran with : added linux*; skilling /vmlinuz.old |
| 09:09.15 | b33r | skipping* |
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| 09:09.52 | bob2 | ok |
| 09:10.07 | b33r | normal? |
| 09:10.42 | b33r | thanks for all your help btw bob2, :D |
| 09:11.28 | zergouille | bob2, just .. to be sure that the mem is really availlable for my process.... So doing that is useless.. ok thanks! |
| 09:11.44 | bob2 | yes |
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| 09:14.18 | herodes | SiliconViper, would be any way to check if mouse is now ok?. I am on my host with ssh. |
| 09:15.03 | Gumby | are there any type of gui tools for system administration in debian? |
| 09:15.23 | aya | linuxconf ? |
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| 09:15.37 | SlayerXP | Gumby: vi |
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| 09:15.42 | DerJamster | Gumby: general system conf or package handling? |
| 09:15.42 | Gumby | lol |
| 09:15.52 | Gumby | DerJamster: general system config |
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| 09:15.57 | DerJamster | Mh..dunno. |
| 09:16.02 | directhex|work | Gumby, nothing central and debian-specific. |
| 09:16.03 | Gumby | I dont necessarily want to use one. I just was curious if they existed |
| 09:16.34 | DerJamster | Considering how different the Distros handle their configs sometimes, I don't think there is a general one. |
| 09:16.39 | directhex|work | Gumby, write one! few wrappers around dpkg-reconfigure, a quick gui here... |
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| 09:17.51 | Phated | And ta-da. |
| 09:17.56 | Gumby | directhex|work: hehe, you over estimate my talents |
| 09:17.59 | Gumby | by far |
| 09:19.04 | directhex|work | Gumby, nah, gtk2-perl is a doddle. |
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| 09:23.27 | herodes | where to configure proftpd to allow user root to log in?? |
| 09:24.15 | resiak | herodes: Just no. |
| 09:24.36 | herodes | ehh?? |
| 09:24.41 | aglet | herodes: youdon't want to do that |
| 09:24.42 | bob2 | come on |
| 09:24.42 | SiliconViper | herodes, Herm... not that I can think of (mouse thing, not ftp thing). |
| 09:24.43 | hairy_potter | herodes: /etc/init.d/proftpd stop |
| 09:24.45 | bob2 | that's just stupid |
| 09:24.51 | hairy_potter | herodes: apt-get remove --purge proftpd |
| 09:24.59 | resiak | herodes: You _never_ want to use root unless you have to. |
| 09:25.00 | aglet | herodes: but if you really really don't care about your root password floating about in plain text, see /etc/ftpusers |
| 09:25.11 | hairy_potter | herodes: why not ssh? |
| 09:25.19 | SiliconViper | SFTP > FTP |
| 09:25.25 | resiak | herodes: (plus the plaintext thing, of course.) |
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| 09:25.35 | herodes | whats up?? |
| 09:25.38 | herodes | :) |
| 09:25.41 | resiak | Mmm, an entire page of "don't do that." |
| 09:25.44 | DerJamster | herodes: The sky. And a direction. |
| 09:26.03 | hairy_potter | resiak: its not 'an entire page' here yet ;) |
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| 09:26.13 | resiak | hairy_potter: Depends on your screen size :) |
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| 09:26.19 | herodes | hairy_potter: why should i remove it? |
| 09:26.36 | herodes | i was going to log in as root in mu LAN |
| 09:26.40 | hairy_potter | herodes: use vsftpd *atleast* |
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| 09:27.04 | herodes | hairy_potter, any spacial reason? |
| 09:27.20 | hairy_potter | no spatial reasons ;) |
| 09:27.38 | hairy_potter | herodes: you cannot use 'ssh'? |
| 09:27.41 | aglet | herodes: google "proftpd exploit" |
| 09:27.43 | hairy_potter | sftp/scp, instead? |
| 09:27.49 | hairy_potter | brb |
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| 09:28.12 | DerJamster | http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=proftpd+exploit&q2=vsftpd+exploit&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us |
| 09:28.15 | DerJamster | Reason enough ;) |
| 09:28.25 | bratner | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.46 | Bogaurd | ok, if i want to setup a printer on debian woody, where do i start? is there a printer config tool? |
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| 09:29.42 | aglet | Bogaurd: I used CUPs: http://localhost:631/ if I remember right |
| 09:29.45 | directhex|work | Bogaurd, well there's probably something in the kde control panel, but that's a bit overboard really |
| 09:29.50 | john | My brother just installed debian, how would he go about, starting X? Or installing if need be |
| 09:29.59 | bob2 | john: startx |
| 09:29.59 | directhex|work | john, apt-get install x-window-system |
| 09:30.07 | Bogaurd | i ahve no gui installed :P |
| 09:30.17 | aglet | Bogaurd: yeah, so use lynx |
| 09:30.40 | aglet | or links |
| 09:30.57 | directhex|work | Bogaurd, install cupsys, then visit http://localhost:$portiforgotwhichstartswithasix with a web browser |
| 09:31.02 | directhex|work | that ought to do something |
| 09:31.16 | aglet | directhex|work: port 631 as I said |
| 09:31.35 | bob2 | 'apt-get install x-window-system' as root to insytall it |
| 09:31.36 | Bogaurd | ok, should i apt-get install cups cupsys |
| 09:31.39 | Bogaurd | or just cupsys? |
| 09:31.46 | directhex|work | oh yeah. |
| 09:31.49 | directhex|work | !win aglet |
| 09:31.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, aglet! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 09:32.04 | aglet | woo! |
| 09:33.01 | Bogaurd | christmas island.. with gotase |
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| 09:34.40 | directhex|work | and oralse! |
| 09:34.58 | Phated | OK, we move swiftly into the territory of EW. |
| 09:35.16 | john | okay, he has a KDE XFlat Monitor, what method is best to render text (Bytecode (CRT)) or Autohinter |
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| 09:36.54 | Guerin | john: widhe |
| 09:37.13 | Bogaurd | i cant use http://localhost:631 for the cups config, as the system has no gui. can i tell it to allow my lan ip? |
| 09:37.33 | space | I got a weird problem when I install nVIDIA's original driver, my X starts fine, however after reboot it won't start unless I either disable glx, or run NVIDIA installation again |
| 09:37.38 | herodes | i ahve just installed vsftpd and in vsftpd.conf...all lines are comment. |
| 09:38.18 | Bogaurd | oh its dinner time :D |
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| 09:39.09 | DerJamster | Bogaurd: Use. Lynx. |
| 09:39.17 | Phated | Bogaurd: You. Can. Use. Lynx. |
| 09:39.19 | DerJamster | http browser. No GUI: |
| 09:39.19 | Guerin | herodes: you have to configure it, yes. |
| 09:39.28 | DerJamster | er, . |
| 09:40.11 | DerJamster | herodes: read the comments in vsftpd.conf. They explain what to set up. |
| 09:40.16 | directhex|work | !nvidia-installer |
| 09:40.16 | dpkg | [nvidia-installer] more specifically prone to dying if any Xkernel related packages are upgraded or removed. |
| 09:40.17 | DerJamster | That's what they are there for. |
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| 09:40.29 | directhex|work | bah |
| 09:40.33 | alamar | does anybody have an idea why i can`t boot my debian sarge netisntall cd on a pentium 233mhz mmx? |
| 09:40.39 | Vamp|Man| | hm.. ok.. i'm getting an error when trying to startx |
| 09:40.42 | alamar | i always get an crc error |
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| 09:40.47 | DerJamster | alamar: Burned wrong? |
| 09:40.49 | Vamp|Man| | Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration |
| 09:40.51 | DerJamster | checked the md5 after download? |
| 09:40.51 | SlayerXP | alamar: do you have a sheep jammed in the cpu fan? |
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| 09:41.02 | john | one last thing, his mouse is usb, but there was no usb option.. so how does he configure that? |
| 09:41.09 | alamar | DerJamster: it works fine on other computers |
| 09:41.09 | Vamp|Man| | Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 09:41.13 | toresbe | Unix' first use was a text editing system for trademark lawyers... |
| 09:41.19 | DerJamster | Vamp|Man|: check your XF86Config file |
| 09:41.20 | alamar | the strange thing is i tried nearly every os and cd i have |
| 09:41.20 | directhex|work | dpkg, no, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. |
| 09:41.20 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
| 09:41.21 | toresbe | Are trademaks case sensitive? :D |
| 09:41.34 | Phated | No, but they do like being spelt right. |
| 09:41.36 | DerJamster | alamar: hmmh..weird. |
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| 09:41.41 | Vamp|Man| | DerJamster - yeh, i really can't see anything wrong with it |
| 09:41.42 | directhex|work | space, you may have luck with "echo nvidia >> /etc/modules" |
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| 09:41.45 | alamar | from *bsd to *linux (crux,debian,gentoo,mdk,rh) |
| 09:41.50 | Vamp|Man| | my monitor settings should be right |
| 09:41.53 | alamar | some cds just cause a reboot |
| 09:41.58 | alamar | some stop booting |
| 09:41.59 | directhex|work | space, i presume "dpkg -l udev" reports 'ii' |
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| 09:42.09 | DerJamster | Vamp|Man|: make sure the references are right. Can you paste the thing on a nopaste site? |
| 09:42.09 | toresbe | or how about minor misspellations? |
| 09:42.12 | alamar | only debian is printing some error |
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| 09:42.23 | space | directhex|work: nvidia module is listed in lsmod |
| 09:42.27 | toresbe | like MacDonaldz - f00d f0r j00! |
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| 09:42.38 | DerJamster | alamar: I'd try another cdrom drive for that box :) perhaps it's broken. |
| 09:42.45 | Vamp|Man| | ah i can't send it over the network yet |
| 09:42.46 | Zetabyte | hey all - i need to downgrade a package to a recent, previous version in sid. Are older packages generally still available for download anywhere? |
| 09:42.59 | DerJamster | Vamp|Man|: meh..that makes it kinda hard to troubleshoot :) |
| 09:43.04 | directhex|work | !sdn |
| 09:43.04 | dpkg | sdn is, like, go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 09:43.06 | Vamp|Man| | tell me about it |
| 09:43.07 | DerJamster | Vamp|Man|: get networking going first? |
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| 09:43.13 | Vamp|Man| | webmin and samba should be fully installed though, just no x |
| 09:43.17 | krolben | How can I make it possible to use higher screen resolutions than 1024x768 in KDE on Sarge? I've tried editing XF86Config-4, but I still cannot choose higher settings in KDE |
| 09:43.20 | Zetabyte | awesome, thanks guys =) |
| 09:43.37 | directhex|work | space, read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log then. though chances are your problems are caused by nvidia-installer |
| 09:43.43 | john | How can I remove a package on debian.. he did apt-get install x-window-system |
| 09:43.46 | john | but we need to remove it |
| 09:43.48 | john | then reinstall it |
| 09:43.56 | Phated | apt-get install --reinstall |
| 09:44.02 | Phated | Or if you just want to remove, apt-get remove. |
| 09:44.06 | DerJamster | john: and read the apt howto on debian.org ;) |
| 09:44.07 | space | directhex|work: the log ends on initialisation of GLX |
| 09:44.13 | Phated | And with --purge for removal of configs. |
| 09:44.16 | b33r | would the cause for (ifconfig eth1 up : error while getting interface flags: no such device) be that i need to add an alias for eth1 in /etc/modutils/aliases ? |
| 09:44.16 | Phated | And man apt-get. |
| 09:44.25 | directhex|work | dpkg, nvidia-installer is also see <nvidia howto> |
| 09:44.25 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
| 09:44.27 | DerJamster | john: Why do you need to reinstall, by the way? |
| 09:44.44 | space | directhex|work: and I get .X0-lock left over in /tmp/ |
| 09:45.10 | directhex|work | space, sounds nice & messy |
| 09:45.14 | john | My brother configured his mouse wrong |
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| 09:45.17 | john | so it wont load x |
| 09:45.26 | space | it sure does |
| 09:45.28 | directhex|work | john, so you don't want to reinstall, you want to reconfigure |
| 09:45.36 | directhex|work | john, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:45.43 | krolben | John, what system are you trying to install? |
| 09:45.49 | krolben | Woody? |
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| 09:46.22 | john | sarge i guess |
| 09:46.29 | john | im not trying to install my brother is |
| 09:46.35 | Guerin | !guess |
| 09:46.35 | dpkg | it has been said that guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 09:46.47 | resiak | toresbe: Don't you mean McDoNaLdZ: LOL!1 iT r TEh 1337? |
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| 09:47.25 | krolben | Ok, I had many problems installing Woody, and gave it up in the end. Then I tried Sarge and it worked the very first time. I also had problem configuring mouse and nVidia card, which resultat in X crashing |
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| 09:47.35 | directhex|work | krolben, sounds about right |
| 09:47.55 | krolben | and btw, thank you guys for that advice ;) |
| 09:48.57 | krolben | How can I make it possible to use higher screen resolutions than 1024x768 in KDE on Sarge? I've tried editing XF86Config-4, but I still cannot choose higher settings in KDE |
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| 09:49.20 | john | directhex|work: My brother has a usb mouse |
| 09:49.25 | patois | Hi. |
| 09:49.28 | john | what's the one we should select for that then? |
| 09:49.34 | john | /dev/ ... ? |
| 09:49.36 | Bozza | Hi, when i try to load the sata_sil.o module i get alot of Unresolved Symbol Errors, is there something else i need to do to load it? |
| 09:49.54 | krolben | what are the options? Then I can remember the right one |
| 09:50.01 | directhex|work | john, /dev/input/mice always |
| 09:50.07 | krolben | yep, that's right |
| 09:50.12 | space | Bozza: you probably need other modules |
| 09:50.20 | DerJamster | john: /dev/input/mice |
| 09:50.28 | DerJamster | ah, slow me :) |
| 09:50.36 | john | ty :) |
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| 09:51.40 | krolben | I think I'll quit this bitchX thing and come back with Xchat, 'cause DAMN! It's ugly... |
| 09:51.45 | Tino | hello. what are exactly the [pdflush] processes ? |
| 09:51.51 | DerJamster | krolben: try irssi |
| 09:51.53 | Phated | irssi-text, irssi-text! |
| 09:51.54 | space | awwwwwww don't bag BitchX |
| 09:51.55 | Tino | google is not that clear ! |
| 09:52.03 | krolben | ;) |
| 09:52.03 | resiak | Awww _do_. |
| 09:52.15 | krolben | I'll try irssi |
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| 09:52.21 | krolben | brb |
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| 09:53.06 | patois | Question: This morning, at around 8, my k6-II/450 debian unstable machine began to react very slowly. cpu load when from around zero to more than 7, number of open files from around 400 to more than 1600, and then more than 3000 an hour after (I got those info from mrtg, nobody was using this machine at that time). So, a bit after 8h, I started cleaning the stuff as much as I could, restarted most daemon, killed most applications. But there are still far m |
| 09:53.15 | patois | and the machine is still very slow |
| 09:53.18 | CSWookie | With cvs is there a flag I can use to say, "I want to check out ALL the modules"? |
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| 09:53.39 | DerJamster | patois: on the network? |
| 09:53.40 | patois | Any suggestion ? |
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| 09:54.02 | patois | DerJamster : yes, it's connected on adsl, only ssh port open. |
| 09:54.19 | directhex|work | krolben, you logged into X as root? DON'T! |
| 09:54.23 | VivekVC | My system is a Dual boot with debian and ubuntu. |
| 09:54.33 | DerJamster | patois: check tcpdump and/or netstat for connections, lsof for open files, top for processes that eat the cpu |
| 09:54.41 | VivekVC | I am having issues geetting x windows up on debian |
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| 09:54.46 | DerJamster | Run chrootkit, see if you use an old ssh version |
| 09:55.11 | DerJamster | Either it's some weird resource hog gone wild or something nasty going on. |
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| 09:55.31 | patois | DerJamster : was there any reccent alert on sshd ? I apt-get upgrade once a week to the least (well, maybe not during new year holidays) |
| 09:55.33 | toresbe | resiak: Haha, brilliant |
| 09:55.40 | kisshi | hi,everyone |
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| 09:55.47 | toresbe | resiak: "baraba ba da" - it r teh leet |
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| 09:56.00 | VivekVC | If i copy the Xf86Config-4 of Ubuntu to Debian can i slove the issue |
| 09:56.02 | DerJamster | patois: Don't know, actually :) |
| 09:56.04 | patois | DerJamster: I'll run chrootkit and see first, right. |
| 09:56.12 | Phated | toresbe: That's actually not bad. |
| 09:56.19 | VivekVC | slove=solve* |
| 09:56.21 | DerJamster | patois: get it off the network first |
| 09:56.21 | soccos | where would I find the gnome keyboard layout switcher manual? |
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| 09:56.50 | mooded | anybody knows if debian (testing/unstable) has somewhere rpm2tgz in its repositories ? |
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| 09:56.54 | toresbe | resiak: "Don't hesitate, log into our f00d servz now, do00d - freshest burgerz and shakez and friez f0r j00" |
| 09:57.04 | resiak | toresbe: Heh. |
| 09:57.05 | Phated | Heh. |
| 09:57.08 | patois | DerJamster : the processus table looks fine, machine hasnt been reboot. But strangely, tasks that used to take a small fraction of the CPU now requieres full cpu... As if the cpu speed had been decreased ... |
| 09:57.12 | Phated | toresbe: By all means, start it up! |
| 09:57.14 | VivekVC | sorry for typing it in 3 or 4 lines, i am having some isses with emacs |
| 09:57.29 | resiak | toresbe: Online ordering, naturally. |
| 09:57.30 | patois | mooded: rpms are in fact cpio archives |
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| 09:57.46 | b33r | anyone know why im getting this error "ifconfig eth1 up : error while getting interface flags: no such device" i have pcmcia support, i have 'alias eth1 3c574_cs' in /etc/modutils/aliases and /etc/network/interfaces has eth1 information filled? |
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| 09:57.52 | patois | mooded: you can uncpio them just with the usual (and pretty unfriendy) commands |
| 09:58.19 | space | patois: reboot it then? |
| 09:58.22 | mooded | patois, thanks a lot .. :) didnt know that.. |
| 09:58.23 | directhex|work | won't alien do it in a slightly friendlier way? |
| 09:58.25 | toresbe | -I'll havbe one 0wnzburger meal" -"Do you want that in flashcard, disk, or disk array size, d00d?" "j00 kn0w m3, I r t3h h4rdc0re" "l0l" |
| 09:58.30 | krolben | ahh... Xchat is much better. I guess I'm the graphical kind of guy :) |
| 09:58.45 | directhex|work | krolben, and it's even better when you're not root |
| 09:58.49 | patois | space: yes, but I'm at work and my wife is currently working on a very urgent and important repport on the machine right now |
| 09:58.52 | krolben | how could u see that? |
| 09:59.03 | patois | mooded : you're welcome |
| 09:59.04 | resiak | "Would you like to Beowulf cluster that?" |
| 09:59.08 | directhex|work | --> krolben (~root@x1-6-12-01-02-68-27-59.k138.webspeed.dk) has joined #debian |
| 09:59.12 | krolben | ahh |
| 09:59.24 | krolben | what did it say this time? |
| 09:59.33 | toresbe | resiak: Oh, or course |
| 09:59.33 | toresbe | of course :) |
| 09:59.34 | toresbe | resiak: Hahahaha XD |
| 09:59.50 | resiak | krolben: 09:53 < apt> ROOOOOOT has landed! |
| 09:59.53 | patois | space: Moreover, 1/ think of my uptime ;-) 2/ I would like to do as much I can to undertsand the problem. "reboot to fix" is not that much unix-like solution. |
| 09:59.56 | krolben | :) |
| 10:00.28 | john | Hey, how do you set your screen resolution on debian? |
| 10:00.29 | space | patois: checked the messages log? |
| 10:00.44 | DerJamster | john: Like on any other Distro, check the XF86Config file. |
| 10:00.48 | krolben | Can someone tell me what I have to edit to be able to run at higher resolutions that 1024x768? |
| 10:00.53 | resiak | krolben: Erm, no, seriously, don't log into X as root. |
| 10:00.59 | mooded | directhex|work, i dunno.. in the end im trying to get the sources out of the current aethera 1.2 srpm.. (since they only make it available in this format >(( ) |
| 10:00.59 | patois | space: that's what I'm currently looking at. |
| 10:01.00 | DerJamster | If resolutions are already set in there, you can change them in X using ctrl+alt++ and - |
| 10:01.18 | space | patois: anything weird? |
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| 10:01.38 | directhex|work | krolben, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 - you need to add reolution lines, and pick a vertical/horizontal sync rate which can drive it. or try seeing what xrandr reports, in a console |
| 10:01.38 | patois | space: lemme see :-) |
| 10:01.42 | krolben | I'll remember that. I wasn't logged into X as root but i went to the console to install irssi, did that as root and forgot to log out before starting the program from console |
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| 10:02.03 | cafuego | krolben: See 'sudo' |
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| 10:02.27 | space | patois: check your cron, you could have some file indexing daemon doing a file system scan |
| 10:02.33 | krolben | thanks directhex, I'll try the xrandr first. I haven't had any results editiong XF86Config-4 yet |
| 10:02.54 | directhex|work | krolben, it'll be refresh/sync rate related |
| 10:02.56 | patois | space: Jan 12 08:02:33 garp kernel: keyboard: Too many NACKs -- noisy kbd cable? |
| 10:03.29 | space | patois: wife fell asleep on the keyboard? lol |
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| 10:03.59 | krolben | so I should be able to use this info when fixinf XF86Config-4? |
| 10:04.03 | krolben | fixing |
| 10:04.07 | patois | space : that was at 8... hum, could it be from cpu overload (no time to ack?) |
| 10:04.39 | directhex|work | krolben, go find your monitor manual, that should have the rates in it |
| 10:04.48 | space | patois: could be anything, could be your box being unstable and getting memory corruption |
| 10:04.57 | space | patois: could be you being hacked |
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| 10:05.16 | krolben | I'll try (hmm... I wonder where that 5 year old piece of paper is...) |
| 10:05.27 | krolben | gotta get some breakfast, bbl |
| 10:05.36 | patois | space: memory corruption si something I already had (k6-II is not very recent machine). The motherboard already destroyed two agp cards... |
| 10:06.17 | ml267 | how do I tell dpkg bot some new information? |
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| 10:06.25 | Phated | You leave it well alone. |
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| 10:06.36 | patois | Jan 12 05:59:26 garp sshd[11635]: Failed password for illegal user jordan from 222.177.175.13 port 56910 ssh2 |
| 10:06.38 | directhex|work | k6 :/ |
| 10:06.39 | patois | not unusual |
| 10:06.41 | resiak | ml267: That depends whether it's useful new information or not. |
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| 10:06.50 | resiak | directhex|work: Shush, you with your k8. |
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| 10:07.09 | directhex|work | resiak, only because work paid. on a p4 at home |
| 10:07.14 | john | okay we got to the config file, how would we go about switching the resolution to 1024x768 - all that is set is 800x600 or 640x400 |
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| 10:07.40 | directhex|work | john, why are you editing the config directky? |
| 10:07.42 | Guerin | john: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:07.47 | ml267 | resiak: need to be a privileged user to "instruct" dpkg bot? |
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| 10:07.50 | frogger^ | i just downloaded and installed the testing sarge iso from bittorrent. why is it so difficult? i had to install my soundcard, mouse and a few other hardware by hand. other distributions i tested had autodetected all that stuff. same with the window manager. tons of errors after install :( |
| 10:07.51 | eguzkia | i need help with tomcat!! |
| 10:07.51 | resiak | directhex|work: Well ... I'm sure that you have more processing power than I. |
| 10:07.55 | Guerin | john: don't edit that file; you'll break dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:08.03 | Phated | ml267: If you need to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 10:08.05 | Phated | 'nuff said. |
| 10:08.22 | resiak | ml267: What do you want to add? |
| 10:08.35 | Guerin | frogger^: worksforme |
| 10:08.35 | zealucard | hi all |
| 10:08.40 | skyisblue | dpkg: drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:08.41 | dpkg | skyisblue: okay |
| 10:08.47 | directhex|work | frogger^, define 'install by hand' for things like hardware |
| 10:08.49 | Guerin | frogger^: file an installation report |
| 10:08.52 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:09.00 | Guerin | frogger^: also, talk to them in #debian-boot |
| 10:09.04 | scarynetworkguy | Ouch. |
| 10:09.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 774] by debhelper |
| 10:09.10 | Guerin | cafuego: eep |
| 10:09.10 | ml267 | resiak: info about where to find information on a new package or distribution, for example |
| 10:09.25 | resiak | ml267: So you haven't got anything you actually want to add now? :) |
| 10:09.26 | cafuego | (to localhost) |
| 10:09.27 | Phated | We're not interested in new distros! |
| 10:09.36 | Phated | Well... Mostly not. |
| 10:10.03 | scarynetworkguy | That would be why the name of the channel is #debian. Take a wild guess about what distro we care about. |
| 10:10.21 | resiak | cafuego: Christ almighty. What are you using that serpent for? |
| 10:10.28 | Phated | directhex|work: :P |
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| 10:10.45 | cafuego | resiak: bittorrent |
| 10:10.45 | Bogaurd | ok i am trying to add a printer using the cups web based manager. it asks for a location. the printer is connected to the paralell port. what is this refered to under debian? |
| 10:10.49 | resiak | cafuego: Ah. |
| 10:10.55 | Phated | Ah, bittorrent. |
| 10:10.58 | cafuego | resiak: Just killed the fucker |
| 10:11.03 | resiak | (There's not much more that can be said than "ah".) |
| 10:11.24 | eguzkia | i have installed tomcat but i don't know how can i run my jsp! |
| 10:11.29 | cafuego | For 4 hours |
| 10:11.31 | resiak | cafuego: I wasn't passing judgement! |
| 10:11.32 | cafuego | then it did poo |
| 10:11.39 | Phated | cafuego: We said "Ah"! |
| 10:11.42 | john | okay |
| 10:11.43 | Bogaurd | ok i am trying to add a printer using the cups web based manager. it asks for a location. the printer is connected to the paralell port. what is this refered to under debian? |
| 10:11.53 | krolben | Can I refresh XF86Config-4 settings without restarting system? |
| 10:11.57 | john | how do i select 1024x768 from there? It wont let me |
| 10:12.04 | Phated | krolben: Restart x. |
| 10:12.05 | resiak | krolben: Yeah. Stop and start X |
| 10:12.12 | john | to put an * in the box, i mean.. |
| 10:12.15 | Phated | cafuego: It means "Ah"! |
| 10:12.17 | krolben | ahh :) |
| 10:12.17 | directhex|work | john, yes, it will. pick 1024x768 in the list & hit space |
| 10:12.25 | john | okay |
| 10:12.25 | john | ty |
| 10:12.26 | resiak | cafuego: I think that that depends from whom the "ah" comes, and how long the "aaa" bit is. |
| 10:12.27 | zealucard | how can i setup my gateway debian server with a PPPoE connexion ??? |
| 10:12.41 | cafuego | Phated: it means "you're not going to have (free) sex for the new 6 months unless you do as you're told" |
| 10:12.48 | cafuego | s/new/next/ |
| 10:12.50 | Phated | cafuego: "Ahhhhh" would be "OMG CAFUEGO'S A PIRATE!" "Ah" means the above. |
| 10:12.59 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: Not from anybody here it doesn't. |
| 10:13.07 | Bogaurd | zealucard, i removed the debian pppoe, then installed roaring penguin pppoe |
| 10:13.08 | mooded | zealucard, pppoeconf ethXX, then pppd call dsl-provider |
| 10:13.09 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: Although wrt wives you are right. |
| 10:13.13 | zealucard | i can setup my adsl with pppoeconf but when i activate my second netcard... |
| 10:13.44 | frogger^ | after debian installation i typed "apt-get install x-window-system wmaker" is that correct so far? |
| 10:13.51 | soccos | how do I configure my (US) laptop keboard so I can get pound (sterling) and pipe? |
| 10:13.56 | Bogaurd | i am trying to add a printer using the cups web based manager. it asks for a location. the printer is connected to the paralell port. what is this refered to under debian? |
| 10:14.03 | Phated | frogger^: Did it install anything? If so, yes. It not, no. |
| 10:14.04 | directhex|work | frogger^, yes. |
| 10:14.10 | dbunch | i wonder why my computer is running slower than shit |
| 10:14.11 | directhex|work | frogger^, assuming you're root. |
| 10:14.13 | dbunch | i have a gig of ram |
| 10:14.17 | skyisblue | !aptitude |
| 10:14.18 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 10:14.18 | dbunch | and a p4 |
| 10:14.24 | cafuego | soccos: | lives on the right. Pound is lb. |
| 10:14.29 | directhex|work | dbunch, because p4 sucks? :P |
| 10:14.34 | directhex|work | dbunch, -686-smp kernel? |
| 10:14.40 | Phated | PIII forevar! |
| 10:14.42 | cafuego | soccos: As on, those apples will cost 2.10 lb |
| 10:14.59 | cafuego | dbunch: Basically the P4 is crap. |
| 10:15.05 | dbunch | hmm there is some program called whiptail that is taking up 84% of my cpu cycles |
| 10:15.08 | soccos | cafuego: hmmm |
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| 10:15.34 | Phated | Huzzah! |
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| 10:15.38 | zealucard | ok rp-pppoe => and i'll can setup my 2nd netcard. because it's my real pbm. when i fix an IP address, my adsl connexion is running but i can surf anyway... i don't understand why :-| |
| 10:15.40 | scarynetworkguy | Yay! |
| 10:15.45 | directhex|work | dbunch, it's a system for making curses-based interfaces. |
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| 10:15.52 | john | well |
| 10:15.54 | hipp | hi guys |
| 10:15.54 | frogger^ | ok thanks. is there an up-2-date debian faq website on the net? |
| 10:15.56 | john | i'm on mandrake |
| 10:16.01 | directhex|work | !faq |
| 10:16.01 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 10:16.01 | john | after seeing my brothers install of debian |
| 10:16.02 | john | ... |
| 10:16.06 | john | i think i should move. |
| 10:16.12 | Phated | Bye now. |
| 10:16.18 | patois | by Phated |
| 10:16.25 | dbunch | why is it running and taking up so much resources making my system respondlike crap |
| 10:16.31 | soccos | cafuego: I currently have £ but no pipe |
| 10:16.37 | Phated | I was speaking to john. |
| 10:16.42 | cafuego | dbunch: Is DMA enabled on the harddisk? |
| 10:16.45 | patois | sorry Phated |
| 10:16.47 | Phated | I.E. "Yes you should." |
| 10:16.50 | directhex|work | dbunch, i shall consult the oracle of all things |
| 10:16.56 | directhex|work | !magic hate ball |
| 10:16.57 | DerJamster | dbunch: checked top to see what processes eat that? |
| 10:17.27 | ml267 | resiak: i've been looking for info about setting up a chinese system, and dpkg bot has some out of date pointers, fyi |
| 10:17.31 | patois | john: Be carefull trying to fix something that works ;-) If mdk is working for you... But well, yes, there are reasons to prefer debian. |
| 10:18.09 | john | Well, we'll see soon.. :D |
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| 10:18.26 | dbunch | DerJamster, for some reason whiptail is running and taking 88% cpu |
| 10:18.26 | patois | Phated: I may be wrong, but do you live somewhere in korea or somewhere "around" (well, at least from someone from another continent) |
| 10:18.42 | Phated | What does that have to do with anything, pray tell? |
| 10:18.54 | cafuego | patois: other from what? (lemme guess, north america?) |
| 10:19.06 | Phated | Whoot cafuego whoot. |
| 10:19.13 | patois | cafuego : in fact, no. |
| 10:19.26 | cafuego | patois: yes, I know. I was just mocking all americans. |
| 10:19.52 | patois | cafuego : I must admit that I'm certainly unable to place many countries on a world map. |
| 10:19.54 | dbunch | i dont understand why whiptail is taking up 96% cpu |
| 10:20.09 | cafuego | dbunch: try 'strace' and see. Did you check my suggestion yet? |
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| 10:20.11 | directhex|work | dbunch, because the process which spawned whiptail has broken |
| 10:20.46 | cafuego | patois: Country is taking the term VERY lightly when talking about where Phated lives. |
| 10:20.51 | Phated | cafuego: Ai! |
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| 10:21.06 | cafuego | !silence Phated |
| 10:21.14 | Phated | :) |
| 10:21.30 | patois | cafuego: well, english is not my mother labngauge, maybe |
| 10:21.40 | dbunch | ok that helped |
| 10:21.40 | cafuego | patois: it's not mine either. |
| 10:21.54 | Phated | I LIVE IN A COUNTRY. Damnit. |
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| 10:22.03 | DerJamster | Phated: *gasp* |
| 10:22.04 | cafuego | But only ever use it as an excuse when gambling |
| 10:22.05 | hipp | Dust? Anyone? No? Dust . . ? |
| 10:22.14 | cafuego | Phated: Pff. |
| 10:22.20 | Phated | cafuego: Ai! |
| 10:22.50 | patois | Phated: Sorry, that's just I remember talking to somebody on that chanel some time ago; as far as I remeber he was living somewhere there and your nick remind me something. Well we basically argued stupidly about siomething and the guy became very upset and put me in /ignore, that could be you. |
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| 10:22.59 | herodes | which is chroot by default for anonymous user in vsftpd??,where is to set it in conf file?? |
| 10:23.14 | cafuego | HAHA! |
| 10:23.15 | Phated | patois: If I had been him, I wouldn't be talking to you know, would I. |
| 10:23.27 | patois | Phated : dunno. |
| 10:23.29 | frogger^ | i installed gnome with apt-get install gnome. it installed a lot of libs and other stuff too. now when i type apt-get remove gnome it just removes the gnome package. how can i remove all the packages that were installed with gnome? |
| 10:23.30 | Phated | WTF kind of logic is that. If I had him on ignore... Why look, I don't! |
| 10:23.34 | cafuego | Windows is updating itself with an uninstaller via Windows Update tonight. |
| 10:23.40 | Phated | frogger^: debfoster! |
| 10:23.47 | patois | Phated: ignore list are emptied sometimes ;-) |
| 10:24.03 | Bogaurd | ok, i have my printer setup with cups, and printing test pages works perfectly. i have the printer shared with samba, but when clients print, nothing happens :\ |
| 10:24.06 | DerJamster | frogger^: or aptitude and search for orphaned packages |
| 10:24.07 | Phated | As far as I know, you've never pissed me off enough to warrant an ignore. |
| 10:24.08 | patois | Phated : could have been one or 2 month ago |
| 10:24.22 | frogger^ | DerJamster: ok thanks |
| 10:24.26 | patois | Phated: moreover I'm under a different nick from a different ISP... |
| 10:24.27 | Phated | DerJamster: Nah, gnome is a metapackage. It doesn't orphan anything when it gets removed. |
| 10:24.34 | directhex|work | frogger^, aptitude remove gnome |
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| 10:24.37 | cafuego | herodes: normally ~ftp I would hazard. |
| 10:25.05 | Phated | patois: I -really- don't care. I applaud that you found a new nick and ISP. Huzzah. Now, if you'll excuse me. |
| 10:25.07 | DerJamster | Phated: ah :) |
| 10:25.14 | bbrazil | Bogaurd: you got printing = cups in smb.conf? |
| 10:25.15 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 10:25.27 | patois | Phated: lol well, just that I'm at another location. |
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| 10:25.38 | scarynetworkguy | !lol |
| 10:25.39 | dpkg | somebody said lol was Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
| 10:25.43 | Bogaurd | bbrazil - yes |
| 10:25.59 | Phated | Also, frogger^: If you want to install gnome again, try apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment. It's smaller, I think. |
| 10:26.28 | frogger^ | alright, thanks |
| 10:26.30 | bbrazil | Bogaurd: I assume you restarted samba - have you tried increasing the logging level? |
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| 10:26.51 | Phated | frogger^: Mind, the shitloads of libraries will -probably- still be installed. |
| 10:26.53 | Bogaurd | yes, ive restarted samba... how can i increase the log level? |
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| 10:27.32 | scarynetworkguy | Well yeah. But Gnome/KDE people will tell you that the shitloads of libs are the whole point. |
| 10:27.48 | bbrazil | Bogaurd: loglevel |
| 10:27.52 | scarynetworkguy | Silly silly windows minded types. |
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| 10:28.26 | Phated | *sigh* patois: Don't .msg me, please. I didn't ignore you. You can find out where I live through a /whois if you're so inclined. This conversation is over. |
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| 10:28.38 | Phated | s/./\// |
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| 10:28.47 | kedcg | good news: "hd-dvd"/"bluray" is going to use DRM and WMV9 |
| 10:28.56 | Phated | Oh no, the same troll agian. |
| 10:29.02 | Phated | !ops kedcg |
| 10:29.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kedcg |
| 10:29.05 | jm_ | gah |
| 10:29.13 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: Nah, the point of KDE is a DE that's easy and intuitive to use and configure. If I could get that without shitloads of libs, I'd be very happy, but I can't :) |
| 10:29.23 | herodes | how is to not able user to run shell with useradd? |
| 10:29.26 | kedcg | phated what is !ops ? |
| 10:29.38 | bob2 | kedcg: please go away |
| 10:29.38 | Phated | You have to admit, at least KDE is less annoying than Gnome with the animal names. |
| 10:29.39 | Bogaurd | usermod -s /sbin/nologin usrname |
| 10:29.41 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: *shrug* Whatever. |
| 10:29.42 | Phated | Bogaurd: Thank you. |
| 10:29.47 | hairy_potter | herodes: syntax error |
| 10:29.48 | Phated | Er, bob2. |
| 10:29.53 | Phated | Bogaurd: Ignore that. |
| 10:29.54 | kedcg | bob2 why? |
| 10:29.55 | bob2 | kedcg: we've had this conversation before |
| 10:29.57 | scarynetworkguy | Oh if you have to choose one KDE is the way to go for sure. |
| 10:29.59 | hairy_potter | herodes: what are you trying to say? |
| 10:30.15 | Bogaurd | herodes usermod -s /sbin/nologin usrname |
| 10:30.17 | kedcg | bob2 okay, what does !ops do? |
| 10:30.22 | bob2 | kedcg: no one cares about wmv or hd-dvd |
| 10:30.33 | Phated | It hopefully summons an op who may banish you. |
| 10:30.35 | hairy_potter | err.. clairvoyant |
| 10:30.38 | herodes | hairy_potter, dont let user ftp to run comannds |
| 10:30.52 | kedcg | bob2 some people do care |
| 10:30.56 | hairy_potter | herodes: ah :) do what Bogaurd said. |
| 10:31.07 | jm_ | no-one here does, go away |
| 10:31.15 | bob2 | kedcg: not here |
| 10:31.21 | kedcg | bob2 okay |
| 10:31.36 | Guerin | why do more trolls come from .ath.cx than, say .mine.nu or .dyndns.org? |
| 10:31.45 | Phated | *shrugs* |
| 10:31.50 | cafuego | !troll Guerin |
| 10:31.56 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 10:31.59 | Guerin | well, that was a given |
| 10:32.07 | scarynetworkguy | Well yeah. |
| 10:32.08 | Bogaurd | so, can anyone help with this samba issue? |
| 10:32.20 | Guerin | cafuego: CN U ANSWER MY Q PLZ!!!? |
| 10:32.22 | patois | chckrootkit said: eth1: PACKET SNIFFER(/usr/sbin/dhcpd[22239]) |
| 10:32.29 | cafuego | !cafuegosmite Guerin |
| 10:32.30 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:32.32 | patois | I believe it's OK, am I right ? |
| 10:32.49 | skyisblue | yes |
| 10:32.52 | bbrazil | Bogaurd: try doing it now and look for something of note in the logs |
| 10:33.00 | patois | thanks skyisblue |
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| 10:33.12 | skyisblue | YAW |
| 10:33.16 | Bogaurd | bbrazil, im not sure what you mean by log level |
| 10:33.16 | streuner | Guerin: you should know very well, that the host is a fake, there is no ath.cx dialup ... ;-) |
| 10:33.22 | cafuego | Guerin: ath.cx is hosted on an island with relatively little sunlight, so trolls are able to log on, rather than turn to stone. |
| 10:33.34 | streuner | haha |
| 10:33.35 | Bogaurd | bbrazil, i mean i know what you mean, but not how to put it in the samba conf |
| 10:33.36 | bbrazil | Bogaurd: log level = 3 |
| 10:33.43 | Bogaurd | bbrazil, thanks |
| 10:33.46 | Phated | cafuego: Haha. |
| 10:33.47 | bbrazil | Bogaurd: just shove it in [global] |
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| 10:34.12 | bbrazil | Bogaurd: and don't forget to take it out when you're finished 0 it'll eat HDD space |
| 10:34.12 | cafuego | Why are you consumerist fascists laughing at me? |
| 10:34.16 | streuner | Guerin: s(he) simply got the hostname of dyndns.org |
| 10:34.19 | Bogaurd | bbrazil, ok done |
| 10:34.22 | Bogaurd | lemme test a print |
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| 10:34.32 | LinuxMafia | hi all |
| 10:34.35 | LinuxMafia | all:any one knows a power full download manager for linux that can download from rstp protocol or any other one? |
| 10:34.50 | Phated | cafuego: Oh yes run fast. |
| 10:34.55 | cafuego | LinuxMafia: No. |
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| 10:35.08 | Guerin | streuner: oh, I know that. Which is why I compared to dyndns.org and mine.nu |
| 10:35.11 | Bogaurd | bbrazil: |
| 10:35.13 | Bogaurd | [2005/01/12 21:02:17, 3] printing/print_generic.c:print_run_command(88) |
| 10:35.13 | Bogaurd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.22 | LinuxMafia | cafuego: thanks |
| 10:35.49 | streuner | Guerin: i don't think there is a relationship or you can make a statistic about |
| 10:36.08 | Guerin | streuner: haha, you think I was serious... |
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| 10:36.16 | cafuego | What is 'http://http.us.debian.org/helix/' all about? |
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| 10:36.27 | streuner | Guerin: yeah :-) |
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| 10:36.51 | bbrazil | Bogaurd: do you have cupsys-bsd installed? |
| 10:36.52 | Guerin | cafuego: 404 is pretty standard |
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| 10:37.05 | cafuego | Guerin: it contains a 701MB iso |
| 10:37.12 | patois | ok, bebye everybody thanks for the help provided. |
| 10:37.17 | Phated | !tell shazzy|afk about away |
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| 10:37.38 | Guerin | cafuego: not for me, it doesn't |
| 10:37.41 | cafuego | Guerin: Helix_V1.5-2004-12-07.iso 07-Dec-2004 11:40 701M |
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| 10:37.59 | Guerin | The requested URL /helix/ was not found on this server. |
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| 10:38.17 | Okay | does anyone know where I can find the woody perl package? |
| 10:38.21 | Bogaurd | bbrazil, i have cupsys installed |
| 10:38.25 | Guerin | !tell Okay about pdo |
| 10:38.29 | PerfDave | Okay: apt-cache search perl |
| 10:38.32 | bob2 | it's round-robin dns'd |
| 10:38.34 | Bogaurd | bbrazil, i dont think i ahve cupsys-bsd |
| 10:38.44 | Guerin | shazzy|afk: turn off your auto-away |
| 10:38.44 | bob2 | and it's random non-Debian.org machines |
| 10:38.54 | Guerin | oh, of course it is |
| 10:38.55 | bbrazil | Bogaurd: install that - samba is trying to use bsd style printing commands |
| 10:39.03 | Bogaurd | bbrazil, ok :) |
| 10:39.23 | bbrazil | Bogaurd: I think. I don't have logs here to compare with |
| 10:39.25 | dec0de | Where can i obtain a module for the linksys wusb11 for usage under sarge? trying to get this working on a laptop with only USB wireless as a connectivity option.. googled around, found nothing helpful :( |
| 10:39.33 | Bogaurd | bbrazil: installing it now :D |
| 10:39.49 | bob2 | dec0de: you don't know what chipset it uses? |
| 10:39.49 | dec0de | i have a usb memory stick, however i can transport files to the debian install via :) |
| 10:40.03 | skyisblue | Okay: in aptitude, "/" "perl" "n" "n" ... |
| 10:40.08 | dec0de | bob2: no idea, i believe it's an admtek tho |
| 10:40.13 | dec0de | lemme google for chipset, one sec |
| 10:40.20 | bob2 | dec0de: atmel? |
| 10:40.21 | Bogaurd | hmm does anyone know why my apt-get does this: |
| 10:40.26 | bob2 | they're a pain in the arse |
| 10:40.41 | Bogaurd | 55% [Waiting for file] |
| 10:40.50 | Bogaurd | and site there doing nothing for an age |
| 10:41.06 | dec0de | at76c503a apparently |
| 10:41.07 | bbrazil | Bogaurd: try a different mirror |
| 10:41.10 | ml267 | i didn't find any information in rsync documentation about how to transfer stuff securely. Is there a neat way to do this besides forwarding the rsync port over ssh? Or am I just looking at the wrong tools for the job? |
| 10:41.12 | dec0de | bob2: i was thinking ADMtek |
| 10:41.26 | skyisblue | Bogaurd: ctrl+c and do it again. |
| 10:41.31 | john | My brothers install of debian is fine now, except GUI stuff.. such as, konqueror... or firefox or gaim.. they look.. too big. |
| 10:41.31 | bob2 | dec0de: ok |
| 10:41.37 | john | any idea how to tone them down a bit? |
| 10:41.50 | dec0de | bob2: i'd go the compile the driver from the berlios.de route, however as i said, mini-install via serial line, was hoping to be able to get the wusb11 up |
| 10:42.14 | dec0de | bob2: right now im in windows, unfortunately, as it was preinstalled on the laptop.. would really love to get rid of it tho :) |
| 10:42.23 | Bogaurd | bbrazil, it works ok, it just takes a minute or so. the installing of cupsys-bsd made it work :D |
| 10:42.43 | ircdevil | jack error: track_10: DAE failed with status 242, wav removed. how come? |
| 10:42.45 | bob2 | dec0de: if you need to build custom drivers, you probably won't get it working during the install |
| 10:42.53 | dec0de | bob2: I got a base system installed |
| 10:43.02 | Guerin | john: in firefox, change the dpi setting; for gaim and other gtk2 apps, use switch2 to choose different fonts/themes; for konqueror, use kcontrol to change shit around. |
| 10:43.26 | dec0de | bob2: so if i can find a binary module, ia32 obviously for the wusb11 v2.6 for 2.6.x (whatever sarge weekly build uses) |
| 10:43.29 | Bogaurd | thanks bbrazil :) |
| 10:43.29 | john | thank you.. |
| 10:43.34 | bbrazil | Bogaurd: np |
| 10:43.43 | john | anybody familiar with linpal? |
| 10:44.05 | bob2 | dec0de: it's pretty unlikely you'll find one for your kernel |
| 10:44.10 | bob2 | dec0de: does it have a cd drive? |
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| 10:44.30 | dec0de | bob2: yes |
| 10:44.32 | Guerin | or proper ethernet? |
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| 10:44.40 | dec0de | bob2: but cant boot off it |
| 10:44.45 | bob2 | actually, ignore me, I have nothing to contribute |
| 10:44.48 | dec0de | Guerin: there's no real ethernet in the building :( |
| 10:45.00 | Guerin | dec0de: no modem? |
| 10:45.12 | nome | hi !! |
| 10:45.15 | dec0de | Guerin: i can get files to it easily, got a usb thumbdrive |
| 10:45.21 | dec0de | 128mb in fact |
| 10:45.27 | [Granger] | uhh |
| 10:45.33 | dec0de | so if i could even grab appropriate sources and packages, i could drag them over to it |
| 10:45.38 | [Granger] | no internet == apt not happy |
| 10:45.53 | dec0de | [Granger]: Yea, thats why im trying to get my wireless usb adaptor working ;) |
| 10:46.02 | Guerin | dec0de: you're going to have to download some dev libs, kernel headers and a module source, at minimum. Tracking deps manually is not fun. |
| 10:46.20 | nome | i've a problem that's making me mad |
| 10:46.26 | [Granger] | if the packages aren't in there |
| 10:46.32 | [Granger] | they're not there :P |
| 10:46.33 | dec0de | There's no way i'm downloading 7 isos lol |
| 10:46.44 | DerJamster | 7 Sarge isos? Woody had already 7.. |
| 10:46.52 | [Granger] | wait, 13 |
| 10:46.55 | [Granger] | not 7 |
| 10:46.57 | DerJamster | *g* Yeah. |
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| 10:46.59 | [Granger] | it's 13 isos |
| 10:47.01 | dec0de | ok, 13. no way :) |
| 10:47.05 | Phated | So just download the first. |
| 10:47.15 | john | just download the 1st |
| 10:47.17 | dec0de | Phated: that'd still take over a day :( |
| 10:47.18 | john | then apt-get everything |
| 10:47.18 | john | lol |
| 10:47.20 | [Granger] | either that or drag the machine to a network |
| 10:47.23 | Guerin | it won't fit on a 128mb cf though |
| 10:47.27 | Phated | You really should read around on the site and see that the first can be used for a netinst. |
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| 10:47.52 | dec0de | Guerin: hmm, i can always throw crap on the ntfs partition ;) |
| 10:47.57 | Guerin | dec0de: specifically, you need build-essential, libncurses5-dev, kernel-headers-`uname -r` and the module patch |
| 10:47.59 | Phated | dec0de: Choice: The first CD, plus perhaps 100 megs of extra programs, or none if you decide not to install anything at first, or 13 CDs. |
| 10:48.02 | scarynetworkguy | dec0de: So get the netinst image. |
| 10:48.09 | nome | the firewire hd it's working as a shit |
| 10:48.12 | dec0de | scarynetworkguy: already got it. already there... |
| 10:48.16 | ml267 | dpkg debian-installer |
| 10:48.16 | dpkg | debian-installer is, like, the replacement for the aging "boot-floppies" installation system used in all previous versions of debian. The Debian Installer will be the installer for future versions of Debian, beginning with sarge. It has been designed to be more modular, easier to use, and more extensible than the old installation system. see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 10:48.26 | nome | the trasfer rate is the same of a serial port |
| 10:48.45 | scarynetworkguy | dec0de: And if you want a full set of cds might I suggest you order them from someplace. |
| 10:48.54 | Guerin | dec0de: and their dependenciees, of course. Go to p.d.o and start getting things manually. |
| 10:48.54 | nome | and worst i tryed knoppix and it works perfectly |
| 10:48.58 | dec0de | Guerin: i can pass on ncurses if i skip menuconfig, i'm fine with doing config by hand if needed |
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| 10:49.16 | dec0de | scarynetworkguy: i really dont need the cd's :) |
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| 10:49.26 | dec0de | what i really need is a better NIC *g* |
| 10:49.47 | skyisblue | buy realtek 8139 |
| 10:49.51 | [Granger] | if you are on a computer without a network |
| 10:49.54 | Guerin | dec0de: cool. also be aware that the module source patch may or may not apply cleanly against a debian kernel - they're already quite heavily patched. You might be better going with a plain kernel.org source at this stage. |
| 10:49.55 | dec0de | i may just have to wait until later in the day, set up a windows box to do bridging from the wireless off to wired |
| 10:49.58 | [Granger] | you'll need those cds at some point |
| 10:49.59 | nome | do you think firewire is full supported by kernel 2.6.8? |
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| 10:50.14 | Guerin | [Granger]: not if he gets his wireless working |
| 10:50.20 | krolben | How do I mount a windows ntfs partition? When I had mandrake I had no problems accessing it but I can't figure it out with Sarge. I've tried various stuff with "mount" but no success |
| 10:50.25 | [Granger] | big IF there |
| 10:50.46 | [Granger] | I don't think NTFS support is compiled into the stock kernel |
| 10:50.54 | Guerin | it is |
| 10:50.58 | dec0de | she, actually, but.. |
| 10:51.01 | dec0de | either way :) |
| 10:51.03 | Guerin | read; not write |
| 10:51.09 | Guerin | dec0de: my bad :) |
| 10:51.11 | s-toned | snapshot |
| 10:51.12 | dec0de | read is fine |
| 10:51.16 | [Granger] | hmm then the module's not loaded by default |
| 10:51.24 | krolben | I don't have to be able to write to it. Just read my mp3's ;) |
| 10:51.33 | [Granger] | mount -t ntfs <device> <directory> |
| 10:51.38 | [Granger] | should load it automatically |
| 10:51.39 | Phated | Ooooh a grrl! |
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| 10:51.42 | dec0de | i'ven't give a shit about writing to ntfs |
| 10:51.46 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 10:51.54 | dec0de | if i can read the bitch i'm happy |
| 10:52.11 | Guerin | I'd rather just write a bunch of zeros to it, frankly... |
| 10:52.12 | dec0de | if it weren't for our cursed classes, we'd just go entire *nix, but... |
| 10:52.12 | krolben | I'll try it out Granger, one moment |
| 10:52.14 | LinuxMafia | all:any one can tell me how to download rtsp://69.57.156.98:554/smil/999.smil? |
| 10:52.28 | Guerin | LinuxMafia: with a media player |
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| 10:52.41 | john | Guerin: Switch2 is not on the system, and apt-get install switch2 came up blank.. so? |
| 10:52.42 | dec0de | LinuxMafia: that's a real audio transport iirc |
| 10:52.47 | dec0de | man |
| 10:52.51 | Guerin | john: gtk-theme-switch |
| 10:53.04 | LinuxMafia | Guerin: which one? |
| 10:53.04 | [Granger] | john: you have to use debian package naming |
| 10:53.13 | [Granger] | which sometimes can drive you up the wall |
| 10:53.14 | krolben | hmm it just gives me the overview of the mount parameters when typing "mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1" |
| 10:53.16 | dec0de | if i put together another box, bridge the wireless and wired, i'd be a lot better off |
| 10:53.17 | herodes | Where is to set default home dir for anonymous ftp user?. VSFTPD. |
| 10:53.19 | Guerin | LinuxMafia: i choose mplayer |
| 10:53.28 | Guerin | herodes: read the documentation |
| 10:53.37 | dec0de | then i could have wired in our apartment |
| 10:53.39 | herodes | i did. |
| 10:53.45 | Guerin | herodes: you shouldn't run a ftpd without knowing wtf your server is serving |
| 10:53.48 | LinuxMafia | Guerin: i have it , mplayer -dumpstream all:any one can tell me how to download rtsp://69.57.156.98:554/smil/999.smil? |
| 10:53.53 | Guerin | herodes: if you did, then you'd know. |
| 10:53.55 | dec0de | brb, gonna see if XP can do it or not and if so, build a quick box to do it ;) |
| 10:53.55 | LinuxMafia | sorry |
| 10:53.56 | [Granger] | krolben: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html |
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| 10:54.10 | LinuxMafia | Guerin: mplayer -dumstream? |
| 10:54.12 | krolben | thanks Granger, I'll take a look |
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| 10:54.23 | Phated | Ai... I like this dec0de person. |
| 10:54.50 | herodes | Guerin, i did not find where to |
| 10:55.01 | LinuxMafia | Guerin: i did mplayer -dumpstream but it comes empty file |
| 10:55.21 | PerfDave | Setting up an ethernet bridge on Debian is a piece of piss. |
| 10:55.22 | DerJamster | LinuxMafia: your mplayer has support of the Real codec? |
| 10:55.30 | LinuxMafia | DerJamster: yes |
| 10:55.57 | Guerin | LinuxMafia: hrm, not working for me either |
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| 10:56.09 | LinuxMafia | DerJamster: i can play other ones |
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| 10:56.59 | LinuxMafia | Guerin: some one used net transport in windows and gave me rtsp://69.57.156.98:554/files/6522.rm , that is same one |
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| 10:57.34 | LinuxMafia | Guerin: i need to dl the actual .smil file and look at its contest |
| 10:57.46 | [Granger] | wget |
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| 10:57.58 | Phated | Does wget handle this funny rstp? |
| 10:58.05 | LinuxMafia | [Granger]: wget wont work n rstp protocol |
| 10:58.11 | Phated | Apparently not. |
| 10:58.15 | Guerin | LinuxMafia: yeah, that's how they work. I've done it before, but I can't recall how. |
| 10:58.24 | LinuxMafia | phaethon: no |
| 10:58.33 | Guerin | LinuxMafia: I have just played some with mplayer, but others I've had to read |
| 10:58.58 | Guerin | herodes: /usr/share/doc/vsfptd/* has all you need to know |
| 10:58.59 | LinuxMafia | Guerin: i need to get some software that can dl via rstp |
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| 10:59.41 | shazzy|afk | how can i find out what version of debian i got installed on a server? |
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| 10:59.54 | PerfDave | shazzy|afk: cat /etc/debian_version is a good start |
| 11:00.07 | PerfDave | !tell shazzy|afk about away |
| 11:00.23 | Guerin | LinuxMafia: what site is this? |
| 11:00.31 | Guerin | LinuxMafia: that you're getting them form |
| 11:00.45 | zealucard | there is a french here who can help me ? |
| 11:00.49 | PerfDave | !fr |
| 11:00.49 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:01.01 | zealucard | ouah cool |
| 11:01.09 | zealucard | thx |
| 11:01.10 | shazzy|afk | what i mean is, is it woody sarge etc? |
| 11:01.23 | MerlinCorey | !test |
| 11:01.23 | dpkg | No, merlincorey, you're not online any more. |
| 11:01.28 | MerlinCorey | !botsnack |
| 11:01.28 | dpkg | thanks, MerlinCorey |
| 11:01.45 | PerfDave | shazzy|afk: What does cat /etc/debian_version tell you? |
| 11:01.51 | shazzy|afk | 3.1 |
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| 11:02.13 | PerfDave | shazzy|afk: Then it's either sarge, or sid (or possibly Knoppix *shudder*) |
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| 11:02.24 | karsten | shazzy|afk: Sarge |
| 11:02.25 | shazzy|afk | k tnx |
| 11:02.29 | Guerin | i think knoppix still says testing/unstable |
| 11:02.35 | Guerin | but icbr |
| 11:02.38 | Guerin | icbw |
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| 11:03.08 | herodes | which each line of chroot_list_file is like? user /path? |
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| 11:06.32 | karsten | Guerin: ycbc |
| 11:06.43 | Guerin | karsten: yicb |
| 11:06.54 | herodes | Guerin, do you? |
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| 11:06.56 | karsten | Guerin: ...bimjbtlylf |
| 11:07.34 | Guerin | ok, you've lost me after 'the' |
| 11:07.36 | sbryant | ok, back, using my laptop now.. tried setting up wireless to wired bridging under XP on bf's machine, no luck. |
| 11:07.49 | Guerin | herodes: I dunno. but I bet it's documented. |
| 11:08.15 | herodes | i see nothing. |
| 11:08.17 | Bogaurd | with squid, what is the tag to set the x-forwarded-for header to 'unknown' ? |
| 11:08.19 | sbryant | heh, apparently XP doesnt like working w/ the wusb11 either |
| 11:08.27 | sbryant | we have two of them and they're apparently crap, huh? |
| 11:08.29 | Skiver | how do restart apache2 web server ? |
| 11:08.34 | scarynetworkguy | Bogaurd: man squid or better yet the docs on the website. |
| 11:08.44 | sbryant | Skiver /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 11:08.59 | sbryant | or it may be httpd or apache, but i think it's apache2 :) |
| 11:09.02 | karsten | Guerin: Billy Joel. |
| 11:09.06 | sbryant | try them in that order until it works :) |
| 11:09.08 | karsten | Guerin: You may be right, I may be crazy.... |
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| 11:09.37 | sbryant | bob2: No luck with the wusb11 bridging to wired.. :( |
| 11:09.41 | karsten | Guerin: http://ntl.matrix.com.br/pfilho/html/lyrics/y/you_may_be_right.txt |
| 11:10.08 | Guerin | karsten: but it might just be (the|that) lylf |
| 11:10.23 | Guerin | karsten: I'm not up on my billy joel, thank goodness. |
| 11:10.31 | sbryant | tried connecting my laptop to bf's machine using xover cable, got that working np, but xp simply loses the wireless when trying to bridge it |
| 11:10.33 | karsten | Guerin: lunatice |
| 11:10.33 | karsten | s/ce/c/ |
| 11:11.03 | karsten | Guerin: IIRC: "But I might just be the lunatic you're looking for" |
| 11:11.09 | sbryant | tried doing different /24 subnets w/o luck, same subnet, no luck, etc |
| 11:11.17 | karsten | sbryant: Forwarding on? |
| 11:11.21 | sbryant | Yeup |
| 11:11.25 | Guerin | karsten: yeah, i see now. |
| 11:11.29 | karsten | sbryant: ...and which system's the gateway? |
| 11:11.35 | sbryant | problem being that XP loses wireless connectivity when bridging |
| 11:11.42 | karsten | Guerin: ...the rain is gone... |
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| 11:11.48 | sbryant | karsten: the other XP box :) |
| 11:11.56 | colde89 | how to test a hub? |
| 11:11.59 | karsten | sbryant: XP WiFi more or less utterly sux. |
| 11:12.08 | sbryant | karsten: Yea.. i noticed. |
| 11:12.12 | Skiver | sbryant : how to make it to read my /home/user/public_html directory ? |
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| 11:12.26 | karsten | sbryant: IME it drops wireless randomly when in workgroup mode. Domain tends to be more reliable. |
| 11:12.36 | nz17 | What are some easy-to-use, quick-to-setup gateway distro solutions? |
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| 11:13.03 | karsten | Skiver: userdir. In /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 11:13.06 | sbryant | karsten: i've had no such issues, its just bridging the wireless doesnt work |
| 11:13.08 | jm_ | nz17: smoothwall |
| 11:13.15 | karsten | nz17: Knoppix. |
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| 11:13.25 | Guerin | http://www.sancheong.ne.kr/eng/01/frame01.htm # candidate for worst html page ever |
| 11:13.28 | nz17 | Knoppix? How's that? |
| 11:13.34 | karsten | nz17: ...IIRC the Linux Route Project died. |
| 11:13.34 | sbryant | Skiver: also make sure that the apache user can read the /home/*/ and /home/*/public_html/ dirs |
| 11:13.46 | karsten | nz17: Um. You boot it, configure two NICs, and NAT between 'em. |
| 11:13.48 | nz17 | karsten: Yeah... |
| 11:13.53 | sbryant | karsten: Problem seems to be that you just can't bridge a wireless interface in XP |
| 11:13.59 | karsten | nz17: Depends on how quick'n'dirty you need it. |
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| 11:14.11 | nz17 | jm_: I'll also give smoothwall a try. |
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| 11:14.22 | sbryant | the machine doing the briding itself also loses connectivity as soon as the wireless interface is added to the bridge :) |
| 11:14.26 | nz17 | karsten: If I knew that much, I wouldn't need a simple solution. ;) |
| 11:14.28 | karsten | sbryant: Put the damned thing out of its misery. |
| 11:14.32 | sbryant | karsten: Well, if i can get my wusb11 working so far, i'd be a happy person ;) |
| 11:14.36 | nz17 | I'm basically completely newb to networking. |
| 11:14.38 | Skiver | sbryant : by adding user to apache group ? |
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| 11:14.49 | sbryant | which is why i was gonna bridge wireless (the apartment building is 100% wireless) to wired in our apartment |
| 11:15.14 | karsten | nz17: http://lwn.net/ has among the more comprehensive lists of Linux distros. Including small distros. Check there for firewall distros maybe, should be a decent start. |
| 11:15.20 | sbryant | then i'd be able to at least get the base system install on my laptop working and compile the driver for my crap usb wireless adaptor ;) |
| 11:15.27 | karsten | nz17: Otherwise, I could mention OpenBSD ;-) |
| 11:15.30 | nz17 | karsten: Will do. |
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| 11:16.14 | ketzal | hello all |
| 11:16.14 | sbryant | hell, if netbsd could run linux binaries proper so i could use my MIPSel toolchain, i'd just netbsd the laptop and be through with it ;) |
| 11:16.15 | karsten | nz17: The other option is to buy something Linksys. It's Linux under the hood, and typically does what you need. $40 or less (US) for starters. |
| 11:16.24 | karsten | sbryant: WTF is wusb11? |
| 11:16.29 | sbryant | yea, WRT54GS's are awesome |
| 11:16.38 | Skiver | how do i make apache to read my home directory ? |
| 11:16.40 | sbryant | karsten: crap linksys 802.11b usb adaptor |
| 11:16.44 | ketzal | is there a way to use the Sarge install CD for rescue? |
| 11:16.51 | sbryant | apparently from what i'm seeing atmel based |
| 11:17.08 | sbryant | it's ancient |
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| 11:18.16 | sbryant | see... if i could get my wrt54gs setup how i want ;) |
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| 11:18.25 | sbryant | I'd just bridge the building wireless to wired |
| 11:18.35 | sbryant | but that requires me to have a working linux install to play w/ the mipsel toolchain |
| 11:18.45 | sciboy | Couldn't load driver ALSA: Not enough substreams for hardware mixing, using software mixing |
| 11:19.02 | sbryant | karsten: make sense? |
| 11:19.09 | jethro | sbryant: hack the firmware! |
| 11:19.29 | sbryant | jethro: That's where my MIPSel toolchain comes in |
| 11:19.36 | sbryant | and i really dont feel like building all that $*(@$ under cygwin ;) |
| 11:19.46 | jethro | oh |
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| 11:19.50 | sbryant | not just to get around having a poorly made wireless adaptor ;) |
| 11:19.57 | jethro | :) |
| 11:20.09 | sbryant | i'd rather wait a few hours til walmart opens and go over and get a pcmcia linksys card |
| 11:20.26 | sbryant | and yes, our walmart is still not 24/7 ;) |
| 11:20.36 | sbryant | i can see cows from our apartment building ;) |
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| 11:20.42 | jk- | hey |
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| 11:20.55 | sciboy | Bah, i am having Stepmania/ALSA issues, could someone please help me? |
| 11:20.56 | humbolt | how can I check which package a file belongs to? |
| 11:21.00 | Skiver | sbryant : i don't see apache in my user list |
| 11:21.01 | sbryant | jethro: are you in hell? |
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| 11:21.09 | jk- | humbolt: dpkg -S file |
| 11:21.12 | sbryant | Skiver: it may be httpd :) check /etc/passwd |
| 11:21.14 | jethro | sbryant: quite close, paris france |
| 11:21.15 | ketzal | how can i use the Sarge install CD as a rescu disk? is there a way? |
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| 11:21.23 | humbolt | jk: tnx a lot |
| 11:21.36 | sbryant | jethro: My condolences (i know, spelled wrong) |
| 11:21.39 | jethro | :) |
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| 11:21.53 | jethro | well I actually enjoy it so no worries |
| 11:21.57 | jk- | anyone having ogg/flac/kde issues with recent unstable ? |
| 11:22.01 | karsten | sbryant: Um. I missed a couple of minutes. |
| 11:22.02 | sbryant | ahh then its not so bad, short of lacking walmart |
| 11:22.06 | jethro | paris is the town of all sins |
| 11:22.25 | sbryant | karsten: you didnt miss much :) just me ranting about this piece of shit and how i wanna hack my wrt54gs into a bridge ;) |
| 11:22.41 | sbryant | make wrt54gs use the wlan as it's WAN interface basicly |
| 11:22.44 | jethro | I know LA and SF |
| 11:22.53 | sbryant | and do NAT for our apartment in wired :) |
| 11:22.59 | Skiver | sbryant : the closest match would be www-data |
| 11:23.05 | sbryant | karsten: don't forget vegas ;) |
| 11:23.17 | jethro | vegas could be fun, LA was a bore |
| 11:23.26 | jethro | and I liked SF |
| 11:23.47 | humbolt | I do have openoffice links show up twice in my kde file association dialog? |
| 11:24.01 | sbryant | and hey, finland is nice too |
| 11:24.13 | sciboy | What is the default sound device in Alsa? (/dev) |
| 11:24.15 | exalted | Hi there. |
| 11:24.15 | exalted | When i want to install x-window-system i get this message: |
| 11:24.15 | exalted | Package x-window-system is not available, but id referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
| 11:24.16 | exalted | E: Package x-window-system has no installation candidate. |
| 11:24.16 | exalted | What should i do? Thanks. |
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| 11:24.22 | jethro | booze is too expensive in finland/sweden/norway |
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| 11:24.27 | sbryant | well hey.. |
| 11:24.31 | jethro | :) |
| 11:24.35 | sbryant | jethro: i don't drink :) |
| 11:24.42 | humbolt | one stored in /usr/share/applications/ and one in /usr/share/applnk/OpenOffice.org1.1 |
| 11:24.45 | sbryant | not allowed to for one :) |
| 11:24.55 | jethro | sbryant: I bet, you wouldn't say finland is cool if you were ;) |
| 11:24.57 | jethro | k |
| 11:24.58 | jethro | jk |
| 11:25.02 | exalted | sorry i didn't see the chanserv message :( |
| 11:25.08 | sbryant | jethro: I do stupid stuff when drunk :) |
| 11:25.36 | jethro | heh |
| 11:25.37 | jethro | we all do :) |
| 11:25.45 | karsten | sbryant: No, Vegas is _wages_ of sin ;-) |
| 11:25.56 | exalted | Can you have a look #flood ? Thanks. |
| 11:26.01 | sbryant | anyways.. ima go get some breakfast.. consider killing my bf for buying linksys hw.. and then wander to walmart in 3 hours when it opens |
| 11:26.11 | sbryant | karsten: Hey now. I was born in vegas. |
| 11:26.26 | sbryant | although shortly after ended up back in koulova :) |
| 11:26.50 | krolben | I've tried mounting my ntfs filesystem now and I've succeeded in mounting it, but I can only access it as root. I've tried dozens of different mounting parameters but it's the same each time. Anyone got any advice? |
| 11:27.01 | karsten | sbryant: koulova? |
| 11:27.08 | sbryant | karsten: fi |
| 11:27.12 | JohnFlux | krolben: users |
| 11:27.30 | karsten | sbryant: Ah. |
| 11:27.48 | krolben | I've read that I'm supposed to use umask when mouting but it doesn't seem to help |
| 11:27.55 | karsten | krolben: mount -t ntfs -uid <user you want to have access> |
| 11:28.13 | krolben | I'll try that Karsten. Thanks |
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| 11:28.17 | karsten | krolben: ...alternatively: -umask 750 -gid <group you want to have access> |
| 11:28.17 | dob | hi |
| 11:28.29 | JohnFlux | or -o users |
| 11:28.34 | krolben | What if I combine those two. Would that be better? |
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| 11:28.51 | karsten | krolben: Note that NTFS is generally read-only. You don't get file perms except as specified in the mount command. |
| 11:28.55 | jm_ | JohnFlux: that's for mounting it only, not to set file permissions |
| 11:29.01 | jm_ | well and umounting |
| 11:29.18 | JohnFlux | you could do umask=0666 |
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| 11:29.28 | karsten | krolben: If you plan on mounting the partition often, I'd create a group 'ntfsread', apply a gid of that group, and set umask for group read. |
| 11:29.34 | jethro | sbryant: let's get some 0xdeadbeef |
| 11:29.42 | sbryant | jethro: i don't eat meat. |
| 11:29.54 | krolben | so "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win_d -t ntfs -umask 750 -gid=myUser -uid=myUser" would do the trick? |
| 11:29.56 | dob | with 2.6.10 every time i boot the system there is a message that complain about PCI and some setting, it is the first message that i see at the boot and it is too fast i can't read it, with dmesg i don't find this message, it hppen only with 2.6.10 where can i find this message? |
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| 11:29.59 | jethro | sbryant: you are such a bore, no alcohol, no meat, how can you live in such a manner? |
| 11:30.09 | jethro | jk |
| 11:30.11 | krolben | good idea Karsten |
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| 11:30.29 | karsten | krolben: Should. The group ID trick (no user spec) is a bit more generalized if you're supporting multiple users. |
| 11:30.31 | jm_ | dob: when does it show up? |
| 11:30.36 | sbryant | jethro: I'm quite happy being boring. my bf doesnt think i'm boring. I work on cars and play with embedded hardware all day |
| 11:30.50 | JohnFlux | dob: you can press the pause key during boot |
| 11:30.51 | dob | jm_: it is the first message at boot |
| 11:30.52 | krolben | I've only got one at the moment, so maybe I can leave out the group for now? |
| 11:31.03 | sbryant | anyways! 0xf00d |
| 11:31.03 | jethro | sbryant: I was kidding, I wouldn't be judging you just after a few minutes on IRC |
| 11:31.06 | jm_ | dob: no it's not |
| 11:31.08 | jethro | good lunch |
| 11:31.13 | Borszczuk | hi |
| 11:31.20 | JohnFlux | dob: and ctrl+s and ctrl+q for flow control |
| 11:31.24 | dob | jm_: seems the first message, it is very fast and i can't read it |
| 11:31.35 | jm_ | dob: no, the first message is Linux version blabla |
| 11:31.39 | JohnFlux | press ctrl+s straight away |
| 11:31.39 | karsten | jethro: What! You don't judge people after a few moments of text-only conversation? You WORTHLESS SCUM OF THE EARTH! |
| 11:31.43 | JohnFlux | then shift+page up |
| 11:31.43 | karsten | <coff> |
| 11:31.48 | jethro | !lart karsten |
| 11:31.52 | dob | JohnFlux: ok thanks i will try with it |
| 11:31.53 | jethro | :) |
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| 11:32.00 | DeadlySin3 | hello |
| 11:32.04 | JohnFlux | dob: run "dmesg" from the command line |
| 11:32.10 | JohnFlux | dob: does it have it in there |
| 11:32.14 | dob | no |
| 11:32.14 | karsten | !jethro++ |
| 11:32.17 | dob | it is not in dmesg |
| 11:32.36 | jm_ | then it's not a kernel message |
| 11:32.40 | jethro | karsten: what's this ++ ? |
| 11:32.42 | JohnFlux | dob: what are the top few lines in dmesg? |
| 11:32.44 | dob | it is a message about pci, routepci or similar, it happen only with 2.6.10 |
| 11:32.52 | Borszczuk | how can I get filesize from the bash script? I mostly need to set the confition in the script to not perform any action if file size is bigger than X. |
| 11:33.03 | karsten | jethro: Karma. |
| 11:33.05 | jm_ | Borszczuk: ls, stat |
| 11:33.19 | karsten | !karma jethro |
| 11:33.19 | dpkg | jethro has karma of 1 |
| 11:33.20 | dob | Linux version 2.6.10-ck2 (fede@hibernia) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-5)) #1 SMP Tue Jan 11 14:03:46 CET 2005 |
| 11:33.20 | dob | BIOS-provided physical RAM map: |
| 11:33.22 | DeadlySin3 | i've got an easy question; i'm trying to install MySQL via apt-get but I don't think i'm using the right trigger. anyone know what it's called? ;x |
| 11:33.22 | dob | etc etc |
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| 11:33.40 | jm_ | DeadlySin3: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:33.50 | Phated | What treasures dpkg holds. |
| 11:33.55 | Phated | !catbarjoke |
| 11:33.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, catbarjoke is <resp> Why did the cat walk into the bar? It needed a drink, more or less. |
| 11:34.03 | JohnFlux | Borszczuk: once you have the size, do if [ ${SIZE} -le 4480000 ] |
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| 11:34.15 | JohnFlux | Borszczuk: or whatever size you want in kb |
| 11:34.32 | DeadlySin3 | o.O good deal. ty jm_ |
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| 11:35.14 | karsten | Borszczuk: I'd use find: find <path> -name <pattern> -size +<n> |
| 11:35.36 | sbryant | yay! |
| 11:35.36 | CSWookie | Is there a way to apt-get an older version of a package than the current? |
| 11:35.42 | sbryant | apparently there IS wired in this building |
| 11:35.48 | jm_ | CSWookie1: yes |
| 11:35.49 | sbryant | but.. you gotta pay extra to get a drop ran.. |
| 11:35.53 | herodes | wanybosy knows in what directory is log in anonymous user with vsftpd? |
| 11:35.56 | karsten | CSWookie: snapshot.debian.org |
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| 11:36.15 | karsten | CSWookie: Not guaranteed compatible. |
| 11:36.25 | CSWookie | jm_, karsten Thanks |
| 11:36.27 | sbryant | i tell maintainance guy, i give him cookies if he'll do it and he says maybe if peanut butter chocolate chip ;) |
| 11:36.45 | karsten | CSWookie: Possibly wrong hostname. |
| 11:36.56 | jm_ | CSWookie: /msg dpkg s.d.n |
| 11:37.19 | karsten | herodes: ftp root directory. Check vsftpd's config file(s). Probably /var/ftp |
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| 11:39.11 | sbryant | i think i fell off the net again.. |
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| 11:39.26 | sbryant | nope guess not |
| 11:39.56 | herodes | karsten, that does not exists |
| 11:40.01 | alberto_lp | hola?¿ |
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| 11:40.06 | CSWookie | The version of any reccommanded bu this program is so old that there's no package for it. |
| 11:40.09 | karsten | !spanish |
| 11:40.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:40.12 | sbryant | aha |
| 11:40.20 | alberto_lp | thank you |
| 11:40.23 | sbryant | karsten: found the problem.. |
| 11:40.25 | sbryant | and it's really lame |
| 11:40.32 | karsten | herodes: Is there an /etc/vsftp file or directory? |
| 11:40.44 | karsten | sbryant: What, me, as usual? |
| 11:40.52 | sbryant | karsten: XP is sending the DHCP request on the wrong interface.. |
| 11:40.54 | karsten | sbryant: Networking problems usually are. |
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| 11:40.55 | herodes | no said: /var/ftp |
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| 11:40.59 | alberto_lp | irc.debian-es.org |
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| 11:41.00 | herodes | *you |
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| 11:41.09 | karsten | !taunt sbryant |
| 11:41.09 | sbryant | trying to configure dhcp on wlan sending over wired.. stupid asses.. |
| 11:41.13 | karsten | sbryant: Heh. |
| 11:41.17 | Borszczuk | karten: i need the fastest way possible since it's to be used it quite frequently called script. I got the filename and path. just need to know it's size (or if it exceeds or no the limit). that's it. |
| 11:41.19 | sbryant | now for walmart to open... |
| 11:41.27 | sbryant | and i have class today.. lovely. |
| 11:41.28 | herodes | karsten, i wanna map anonymous user into /var/ftp |
| 11:41.42 | sbryant | i just wanna get my debian install online :( |
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| 11:42.13 | karsten | herodes: RTFM of your FTP server. You can map users to files. I don't recall specifics. |
| 11:42.42 | alberto_lp | I can t access to spanish server |
| 11:42.44 | alberto_lp | :( |
| 11:43.08 | karsten | Borszczuk: the specify an absolution location with find and 'maxdepth 1' |
| 11:43.10 | herodes | i read only to theirs home direcrtory. but anonymous is not a system user |
| 11:43.16 | herodes | karsten: i read only to theirs home direcrtory. but anonymous is not a system user |
| 11:43.20 | karsten | Borszczuk: I don't know of another shell tool that's going to do the same. |
| 11:43.44 | karsten | Borszczuk: So: 'if find <path> -maxdepth 1 -name <file> -size +<n>; then <list>; fi |
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| 11:43.59 | karsten | !tell herodes about rtfm |
| 11:44.10 | humbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.13 | karsten | herodes: I'm not going to install the package and read its manual to you. |
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| 11:44.50 | sbryant | so.. |
| 11:44.56 | Borszczuk | karsten: stat appears to be better for me as it seems from the man |
| 11:45.11 | karsten | Borszczuk: OK, could be. |
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| 11:45.15 | herodes | karsten, i haje allready read it. so. |
| 11:46.20 | karsten | Borszczuk: Note that stat will fail oddly if the file doesn't exist. |
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| 11:46.47 | Dark720 | I have gnome + debian. I can see the computer from windows machine on network. I can browse network from debian/gnome. I dont know how to set-up a share in gnome. any help? |
| 11:46.53 | karsten | herodes: What I'm trying to tell you is that I've told you what I know. I don't currently run an FTP server. When I have, I recall setting user-specific values through the server's config file(s). |
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| 11:47.13 | karsten | herodes: ...which means you're on your own. |
| 11:47.18 | karsten | Dark720: Shares aren't set up in GNOME. They're set up in samba. |
| 11:47.26 | tirkal | how do I install packages that have no .deb file? |
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| 11:47.40 | karsten | Dark720: aptitude install samba; edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and configure your share(s). |
| 11:47.51 | sbryant | screwit |
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| 11:47.55 | sbryant | im outy |
| 11:48.05 | sbryant | sleepy time for a bit before walmart then (skip most of) class |
| 11:48.08 | Borszczuk | karsten: file always exists when the script is called so that's not a problem |
| 11:48.11 | karsten | tirkal: What package? |
| 11:48.21 | Dark720 | ah yes, thanks for that. |
| 11:48.35 | tirkal | karsten: CFV. its .deb depends on Python2.3, I use 2.4 |
| 11:48.47 | tirkal | http://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/cfv |
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| 11:49.11 | karsten | Borszczuk: Don't cry to me when it doesn't ;-)' |
| 11:49.38 | karsten | tirkal: Do 2.3 and 2.4 conflict? |
| 11:49.48 | humbe | Isn't it normal to delete .pid files on exit? If so, how are one able to if the program runs as non-root user? |
| 11:49.49 | jm_ | no |
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| 11:50.23 | tirkal | karsten: I don't want to install 2.3 just for CFV, and anyway it's a general question: I want to know the recommended way to install from source on Debian |
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| 11:50.49 | karsten | tirkal: Install from source to /usr/local. |
| 11:51.11 | karsten | tirkal: ...you own that. It's your responsibility though. You might use 'stow' to make management a bit saner. Or not. |
| 11:51.33 | Borszczuk | karsten: still see no risk. you can always check the return code as for other commands and act conditionaly. |
| 11:51.45 | tirkal | karsten: it's my production server. I got root! ;) |
| 11:51.56 | The_Vulture | tirkal: depends what you mean I guess. you can just build debian packages from source.. apt-get source foo.. then there's some simple utils for doing the rest, etc.. I don't recall off hand |
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| 11:52.26 | sbryant | p00f. |
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| 11:52.28 | tirkal | The_Vulture: why would I want to build a deb package from source for my own personal use? |
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| 11:52.44 | karsten | Borszczuk: I'd generally do 'if test -f <file>; then <test size>...; fi |
| 11:53.16 | The_Vulture | tirkal: if yer a gentoo weeny with an optimisation obsession.. seems to be the usual reason for building anything from source really |
| 11:53.28 | karsten | tirkal: With privilege comes respoonsibility. |
| 11:53.52 | The_Vulture | hurah |
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| 11:54.09 | tirkal | is there any disadvantage to installing software on my server not through the usual apt-get process? |
| 11:54.30 | humbe | tirkal: You can't updated/upgrade it with apt |
| 11:54.45 | tirkal | that's all? :) |
| 11:54.45 | humbe | tirkal: Nor check consistency with debsums.. etc.. |
| 11:55.01 | tirkal | so basically, it's less convenient |
| 11:55.05 | humbe | it doesn't handle dependencies for you.. |
| 11:55.10 | humbe | yes.. |
| 11:55.14 | tirkal | less convenient to install and maintain |
| 11:55.22 | humbe | especially maintain.. |
| 11:55.24 | DerJamster | I don't see why one -should- install a source deb package if they can just apt-get install the very same piece of software.. |
| 11:55.46 | The_Vulture | tirkal: in some sense everything is a matter of "convenience".. |
| 11:55.53 | DerJamster | with said dependency checking, easy upgrading through apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade, easy removal.. |
| 11:55.53 | humbe | DerJamster: Maybe the binary package is compiled with the options they need... |
| 11:55.55 | tirkal | DerJamster: not _everything_ has .debs |
| 11:56.21 | tirkal | for example, there's still no .deb of the latest Zope 3 |
| 11:56.22 | humbe | stuff in a 'not' somewhere :) |
| 11:56.24 | The_Vulture | DerJamster: I've done it to build a lib for gcc 3.4 instead of 3.3 once.. I think that was th issue.. |
| 11:56.42 | DerJamster | tirkal: yes..-that- stuff you install via source, but -that- stuff wouldn't also have any apt advantages anyways. |
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| 11:56.50 | The_Vulture | yeah, libcppunit it was |
| 11:57.17 | tirkal | DerJamster: huh? Zope is a webserver. it would have many advantages to be installed through apt |
| 11:57.33 | tirkal | basically the same advantages to installing Apache through apt |
| 11:57.35 | DerJamster | tirkal: Not what I mean |
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| 11:58.17 | DerJamster | tirkal: there is no binary .deb package, so source is the way to go. but if there would be a binary .deb package, compiling from source would give you more disadvantages than advantages. |
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| 11:58.36 | karsten | tirkal: The downside if installation outside apt is you have to maintain and upgrade it yourself. |
| 11:58.38 | tirkal | DerJamster: I agree with you there :) |
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| 11:58.53 | karsten | tirkal: You also want to make sure you're installing to /usr/local, which is outside apt's managed area. |
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| 11:59.09 | ArCHoNKoG | question why when i install debian X worked fine but when i upgraded to 2.6.9 it says nvidia modules not found i never removed them |
| 11:59.13 | DerJamster | or /opt |
| 11:59.20 | humbe | How does daemons that drop root priviledges after initiation delete their pid files on exit? |
| 11:59.23 | tirkal | the only reason I asked about installing from source is for packages that are outdates or not compiled the way I want them |
| 11:59.43 | ToMMY2k | ArCHoNKoG: did you install the modules in the kernel? |
| 11:59.45 | [Granger] | ArCHoNKoG: you never added them either to your 2.6.9 kernel I assume? |
| 11:59.51 | superlinux | hi . is it enough to use DHCP to distrubute (IP,MAC) without the need for IPtables to block unneeded clients on the network? |
| 11:59.56 | jm_ | archn;nvidi kernel module gets installed in the modules for currently running kernel, so you have to build and install it again when ugprading the kernel |
| 12:00.03 | paquin | ArCHoNKoG: may be you have to recompile kernel source with the right nvidia modules |
| 12:00.04 | jm_ | ArCHoNKoG: nvidi kernel module gets installed in the modules for currently running kernel, so you have to build and install it again when ugprading the kernel |
| 12:00.16 | jm_ | modules dir that is |
| 12:00.20 | humbe | superlinux: dhcp includes no security... |
| 12:00.21 | ArCHoNKoG | ok |
| 12:00.24 | ArCHoNKoG | how do i do that |
| 12:00.28 | _NiC | does debian have a standard naming for configuration-files that are backup up before being changed? |
| 12:00.37 | jm_ | _NiC: yes |
| 12:00.44 | superlinux | ok |
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| 12:00.47 | _NiC | s/backup/backed/ |
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| 12:00.59 | _NiC | sibel01600: relax. |
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| 12:01.02 | ArCHoNKoG | ? |
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| 12:01.10 | tirkal | weird |
| 12:01.16 | ArCHoNKoG | guys how do i reinstall the kernel souece |
| 12:01.20 | tirkal | that user also PMed me with this crap |
| 12:01.24 | _NiC | jm_: what is it? some extension? |
| 12:01.32 | [Granger] | what do you mean by reinstall? |
| 12:01.37 | jm_ | _NiC: .dpkg-old |
| 12:01.44 | ArCHoNKoG | the nvidia drivers |
| 12:01.47 | Shadur | ... what the hell was that? |
| 12:01.48 | ArCHoNKoG | for my new kernel |
| 12:01.57 | [Granger] | ArCHoNKoG: time for some manual reading |
| 12:01.58 | paquin | ArCHoNKoG: apt-get install --reinstall kernel-source-<version> |
| 12:02.11 | Dark720 | (smb.conf) I have added a share [share] with (read only = no) and (guest ok = yes). When I try to browse computer to get to the share I am prompted for a username and password. is there a setting to stop this behavior or is there a generic guest password that i dont know? |
| 12:02.12 | _NiC | jm_: hm.. ok, anything more general, and not necessary related to dpkg-upgrades? :) |
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| 12:02.24 | United | how can i see how big a directory is? |
| 12:02.29 | ArCHoNKoG | [Granger]: if i had the time i would i need to get to class |
| 12:02.30 | _NiC | united: du -sh dir/ |
| 12:02.30 | bob2 | du -sh /dir |
| 12:02.42 | [Granger] | heh, no use to add to the encore |
| 12:02.46 | United | thank you! :) |
| 12:02.51 | ArCHoNKoG | paquin: source for nvdia or kernel |
| 12:03.03 | jm_ | _NiC: no |
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| 12:03.43 | PD | <PD> When I run netstat -l on my server, it shows several of these |
| 12:03.44 | PD | <PD> tcp 0 0 192.168.0.1:ipp 192.168.0.16:45254 TIME_WAIT |
| 12:03.44 | PD | <PD> tcp 0 0 192.168.0.1:ipp 192.168.0.16:45510 TIME_WAIT |
| 12:03.44 | PD | <PD> tcp 0 0 192.168.0.1:ipp 192.168.0.16:46790 TIME_WAIT |
| 12:03.44 | PD | <PD> tcp 0 0 192.168.0.1:ipp 192.168.0.16:47046 TIME_WAIT |
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| 12:03.47 | Ireul | hi |
| 12:03.49 | Ireul | please |
| 12:03.55 | paquin | ArCHoNKoG: ther's a package called nvidia-kernel |
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| 12:04.02 | samael | hola |
| 12:04.06 | neenee | !es |
| 12:04.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:04.36 | paquin | ArCHoNKoG: then read the README files and take a look in to kernel package for installing non-free modules |
| 12:04.47 | Ireul | I've got a problem with debian unstable, apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade told me that tre aren't more upgrades... it happen from 1/1/2005 |
| 12:05.01 | samael | neenee: I aren't Spanish :P |
| 12:05.01 | ArCHoNKoG | not working |
| 12:05.15 | neenee | samael: ah okay :) |
| 12:05.19 | ArCHoNKoG | i would read them but time is not on my side right now |
| 12:05.37 | neenee | samael: hi then ;) |
| 12:05.38 | paquin | ArCHoNKoG: may be you have to verify the right nvidia-kernel version for your kernel... |
| 12:05.39 | PerfDave | ArCHoNKoG: If you want to install nvidia drivers, "/msg dpkg nvidia" and follow the module-assistant instructions in the URL given. |
| 12:05.46 | bob2 | Ireul: fix your network |
| 12:05.56 | Ireul | bob2: ??? |
| 12:05.57 | paquin | ooops... sorry guys |
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| 12:06.10 | samael | neenee: :) |
| 12:06.36 | Ireul | bob2: my network works |
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| 12:07.01 | bob2 | Ireul: then tour mirror is broken |
| 12:07.23 | Ireul | bob2: ftp.it.debian.org and ftp.de.debian.org??? |
| 12:07.55 | bob2 | what else do you think might be broken? |
| 12:08.24 | Ireul | bob2: I don't know... If I knew I would fix it... |
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| 12:08.49 | Dark720 | How do I remove prompts for passwords in samba? |
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| 12:09.35 | i-node | hello |
| 12:09.36 | karsten | Dark720: ?? |
| 12:09.44 | i-node | I need a ftp proxy? which one can I install? |
| 12:09.46 | karsten | Dark720: When running 'smbpasswd'? |
| 12:10.05 | mac38do | Hi! How can I find out, which version of postfix I am running? |
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| 12:10.08 | karsten | i-node: I can't tell you what you need. Squid works though. |
| 12:10.18 | Shadur | mac38do: ask dpkg, or ask postfix. |
| 12:10.20 | i-node | isn't squid an http proxy? |
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| 12:10.56 | ArCHoNKoG | didn't work |
| 12:11.02 | gahan | does 2.4.28 work with debian w/o problems? i cant get it to boot with the same config as in 2.4.27. i cant also boot 2.4.29-rc1 |
| 12:11.09 | Dark720 | karsten: I am trying to create a share with no security. guest access / full access |
| 12:11.16 | ArCHoNKoG | when i try to get module-assisatant it telling me no such thing |
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| 12:11.44 | aakkonen | mac38do, postconf |grep version |
| 12:11.57 | karsten | Dark720: Ah. RTFM. |
| 12:12.15 | karsten | Dark720: I'd *strongly* suggest you make that read-only access. |
| 12:12.17 | gahan | maybe my hardware conflicts with somethin :( |
| 12:12.27 | karsten | Dark720: smb.conf is very well documented. |
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| 12:12.45 | ciga | hi |
| 12:13.10 | mac38do | thx aakkonen! |
| 12:13.26 | aakkonen | You're welcome :) |
| 12:13.35 | Dark720 | karsten: I want to be able to write to this share, so read-only is not what i want |
| 12:13.51 | ciga | I try to find all files in the directory test and cvs, but find . -ipath "./test/*" -ipath "./cvs/*" -type f -printf '"%p"\n' does not want to do it. how should i do? |
| 12:13.56 | humbolt | I have a problem opening a sxc file saved by ooo 1.1 with 1.3 |
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| 12:14.58 | karsten | Dark720: ***ANYONE*** with access to your network will be able to write. You're aware of this? |
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| 12:15.30 | jm_ | ciga: info find |
| 12:15.53 | karsten | Dark720: I'd advise against it. However, if you want to aim a nuke at your feet, you'll find all the necessary ammo in the previously mentioned manpage. |
| 12:16.51 | Dark720 | karsten: I really dont see what the problem with having a share without passwords is. |
| 12:17.16 | karsten | Dark720: Therein lies the problem. |
| 12:17.34 | karsten | Dark720: Work for Microsoft much? |
| 12:18.17 | ciga | jm_: when I try this: find . -path './test' -type f -printf '"%p"\n' -prune -o -print | most it finds everything, but I want it to go into the test directory. what am I doing wrong? |
| 12:18.22 | Dark720 | karsten: lets not rant. |
| 12:18.42 | jm_ | ciga: define everything |
| 12:18.52 | karsten | Dark720: deal. Let's not avoid reading manpages and insist on others reading them to us. |
| 12:19.03 | ciga | jm_: every file in every dir, not just in test as I hope. |
| 12:19.14 | karsten | jm_: everything is real... |
| 12:19.19 | karsten | jm_: ...unless declared integer. |
| 12:19.55 | ciga | find . -path './test/*' -type f -printf '"%p"\n' <- but this works ok. |
| 12:20.15 | jm_ | ciga: that's because of your -o print |
| 12:20.31 | jm_ | well -o -print |
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| 12:20.36 | ciga | jm_: yes, that's what I think... |
| 12:20.47 | kM0ti0n | I amrunning sid at the moments and want to upgrade to unstable how do i do this? |
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| 12:21.03 | ciga | jm_: and how this: find . -path './test/*' -type f -printf '"%p"\n' would work with ./cvs also? |
| 12:21.14 | ciga | I just can't figure it out.. |
| 12:21.27 | enraged | kM0ti0n, sid == unstable |
| 12:21.28 | jm_ | ciga: did you read info pages for find? |
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| 12:21.42 | kM0ti0n | sorry |
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| 12:21.47 | kM0ti0n | I am running sarge! |
| 12:22.13 | enraged | update your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:22.27 | kM0ti0n | then update and upgrade |
| 12:22.37 | enraged | dist-upgrade |
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| 12:22.58 | ciga | jm_: eariler than you think. |
| 12:23.00 | kM0ti0n | ok thanks :) |
| 12:23.13 | enraged | k |
| 12:23.25 | Indal | anyone here know how to setup a user for mysql, i ran mysql_install_db but it didn't work, and for some reason my root user has gone :( |
| 12:23.28 | jm_ | ciga: I disagree, because it tells you how to create more powerful expressions |
| 12:24.05 | Bogaurd | is there a way that i can achieve this using /etc/hosts ? my lan has several machines. i want them to be accessible by ip & hostname. the hostnames should be mapped so that 192.168.0.50 -> ap -> ap.mydomain.blah |
| 12:24.18 | ciga | jm_: probably I'm in the wrong chapter. I used man mainly. |
| 12:24.19 | Bogaurd | can i do it without doubling up on entried in /etc/hosts? |
| 12:24.22 | jm_ | Bogaurd: yes |
| 12:24.28 | Bogaurd | entries* |
| 12:24.29 | jm_ | ciga: I said info pages, not man page |
| 12:24.45 | enraged | Indal, u can't log as root? |
| 12:25.00 | Bogaurd | i know i can use this in /etc/hosts: |
| 12:25.01 | Bogaurd | 192.168.0.50 ap ap.mydomain.blah |
| 12:25.20 | karsten | Bogaurd: Sure. Write a hosts file and copy it to each system. |
| 12:25.25 | Bogaurd | but what happens if i wanna change my domain? i ahve to change them all. can i sepcify my domain somehow? |
| 12:25.28 | karsten | Bogaurd: ...alternatively: set up a DNS server. |
| 12:25.41 | Bogaurd | karsten, ok |
| 12:25.45 | neenee | with named/bind/dnsmasq perhaps |
| 12:25.53 | Bogaurd | ok |
| 12:25.53 | Indal | correct, my root user has been removed somehow |
| 12:25.58 | karsten | Bogaurd: ...and ssh makes distributing files a bit more managable. |
| 12:26.14 | neenee | indal: sounds very ubuntu-ish :) |
| 12:26.29 | karsten | Bogaurd: ...but BIND was more or less invented to solve the problem of a master distributed hosts file. |
| 12:26.44 | Bogaurd | karsten, cool :) |
| 12:26.53 | Bogaurd | i will try that ;) |
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| 12:27.20 | jm_ | dnsmasq makes it easy since it honours /etc/hosts |
| 12:28.04 | Indal | neenee: i dont' even know what ubuntu is |
| 12:28.08 | neenee | :) |
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| 12:28.27 | neenee | it's a different distribution, based on debian, which also does not have a root user |
| 12:28.36 | naim | hi, if i installed an os without swap partition, its up and running, after that i created a swap partition, swapon is enough to activate it ?? |
| 12:28.43 | neenee | it requires you do use sudo all the time |
| 12:28.58 | jm_ | naim: no, you need to mkswap it first |
| 12:28.59 | Indal | ahh no i am nto using that, something erased the root user |
| 12:29.11 | neenee | indal: nothing but the root user should be able to do that |
| 12:29.15 | herodes | anybody has router speedtouch 510? |
| 12:29.16 | Indal | somehow, the whole root user has been removed from mysql.user etc |
| 12:29.21 | karsten | naim: Yes. |
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| 12:29.40 | Indal | neenee: well that may be the case, other people have access to the box, well had, |
| 12:29.43 | naim | jm_ i did that, but even after reboot, it still acts as a swap partition |
| 12:29.45 | naim | ?? |
| 12:29.51 | karsten | naim: 'swapon <partition>' should do it. Add to your fstab for automated startup at next boot. |
| 12:29.53 | jm_ | naim: huh? |
| 12:30.01 | Indal | but the fact is, i need to put it right, i've ran mysql_install_db to know success |
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| 12:30.17 | enraged | Indal, that's weird... are u sure it's really gone? the usual way of adding users is through root account, don't know what u should do if the root account has been deleted |
| 12:30.55 | expose | Can i send syslog-protocol-messages to metalog? |
| 12:31.06 | Indal | enraged: yep, i checked in the mysql.user i did select user,password,host from mysql.user; and ther eis no root in there now |
| 12:31.08 | naim | karsten, thnx .. forgot about that |
| 12:31.29 | expose | in other words: Does metalog understand RFC 3164? |
| 12:31.47 | neenee | expose: i think google should tell you :) i have not a clue |
| 12:31.57 | expose | it doesnt, so far. |
| 12:32.00 | simonrvn | expose: read its docs yet? |
| 12:32.02 | ciga | jm_: I finished with info find. but I'm not closer. I still don't know how to add ./cvs directory to my search. |
| 12:32.21 | simonrvn | ciga: find ./cvs -foo |
| 12:32.27 | ciga | find . -path './test/*' -type f -printf '"%p"\n' it works, I dunno why /* must be in the end.. |
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| 12:32.44 | ciga | simonrvn: I'd like to find files in ./test and in ./cvs |
| 12:32.46 | jm_ | ciga: did you see how it mentioned -or switch? |
| 12:33.06 | simonrvn | what he said |
| 12:33.13 | enraged | Indal, you have a backup of mysql.user? |
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| 12:33.44 | expose | Yes guys. I did. And i cannot find one word about it. |
| 12:34.01 | expose | I guess this means "No, it doesnt support that." |
| 12:34.32 | simonrvn | expose: next step is, read the code. |
| 12:34.34 | expose | Nothing via google, nothing in the docs, nowhere. Not that i would be able to find it. |
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| 12:35.10 | nicolade | Hi, how can I use ls to show me the time of the last modification of the files? |
| 12:35.25 | nicolade | Err, of course I meant the time when the file was created. The last modification timestamp is the usual thing you get with ls -l anyway. |
| 12:35.25 | expose | simonrvn: i am not able to do so. not every linux user is a programmer, you see? i could grep it, possibly. but it would be far easier, to just answer with: "Yes", "No", "No idea". |
| 12:35.39 | simonrvn | expose: neither am i. |
| 12:35.59 | veleno | how can i make a rescue floppy for the running debian/unstable ? |
| 12:36.13 | expose | nicolade: should be mentioned in the manpage, if supported. |
| 12:36.33 | nicolade | expose: I couldn't find it. In which cases wouldn't it be supported? |
| 12:36.40 | expose | veleno: install grub, a kernel and some userspace stuff on it? |
| 12:36.53 | expose | nicolade: if it isnt inside the manpage. |
| 12:37.06 | enraged | what is this rfc 'bout? |
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| 12:37.19 | veleno | expose: lilo, a kernel and userspace stuff. |
| 12:37.27 | expose | which one? the one i mentioned? enraged |
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| 12:37.43 | enraged | yes |
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| 12:38.22 | nicolade | expose: Is there are way to get it supported? |
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| 12:38.36 | simonrvn | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3164.html |
| 12:39.01 | enraged | thx |
| 12:39.07 | simonrvn | i believe it does, but it's been a while since i tried it out |
| 12:39.26 | simonrvn | i know sysklogd and syslog-ng do |
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| 12:39.45 | ciga | find . -path './test/*' -or -path './cvs/*' -type f -printf '"%p"\n' finds only files in cvs |
| 12:39.53 | ciga | jm_: something like this, right? |
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| 12:41.06 | expose | nicolade: i am not sure. i think this depends on the filesystem |
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| 12:41.06 | simonrvn | expose: ^^^^ |
| 12:41.06 | expose | nicolade: see - the information needs to be stored somewhere, and, if this doesnt happen, ls cant show it. |
| 12:41.06 | expose | simonrvn: wrong? |
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| 12:41.11 | simonrvn | expose: no, i was still speaking metalog and the rfc :) |
| 12:41.16 | kuruminpkmh | deinfo |
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| 12:41.32 | expose | kuruminpkmh: ? |
| 12:41.36 | expose | simonrvn: i see. |
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| 12:42.14 | nicolade | expose: ok |
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| 12:42.51 | expose | nicolade: but, what do you want to do? possibly you can get the needed information from some other log files. |
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| 12:43.15 | Bogaurd | where does debian store user mail? |
| 12:43.17 | expose | nicolade: or, if it shows file creations, lsof might help - which you could watch :P |
| 12:43.41 | Bogaurd | '/etc/mail/username? |
| 12:43.46 | petemc | no |
| 12:44.03 | expose | simonrvn, it doesnt support it. |
| 12:44.11 | petemc | Bogaurd: you can configure it, but usually /var/spool/mail |
| 12:44.13 | expose | but -ng does. |
| 12:44.24 | simonrvn | expose: oh, ok |
| 12:44.57 | expose | okay, question answered. bye :) |
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| 12:46.28 | jm_ | ciga: you don't need to use './foo/*', use just 'foo' |
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| 12:47.18 | Bogaurd | petemc, thanks :) |
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| 12:47.50 | Besucher | hi |
| 12:49.25 | ciga | find . -path 'test' -or -path 'cvs' -type f -printf '"%p"\n' it does not find anything. |
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| 12:50.11 | ciga | jm_: so I don't understand, and I don't seem to find any good howto/tutorial on find... |
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| 12:50.36 | kremlyn | Any thoughts on which is likely to run quicker, a single celeron 500 or a dual P2 266mhz |
| 12:51.32 | neenee | might depend on the task |
| 12:51.53 | kremlyn | neenee: But probably fairly close? |
| 12:51.54 | jm_ | ciga: I have to do some work now, I will try to look at it a bit later |
| 12:52.05 | neenee | kremlyn: i do not know |
| 12:52.15 | ciga | jm_: thank you. |
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| 12:56.34 | elnovato | viv al aviada loca |
| 12:56.43 | bob2 | celeron, almost certainly |
| 12:56.59 | Shadur | Somebody show ricky martin the door, please |
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| 12:57.17 | elnovato | lol |
| 12:57.24 | caphuso | well, maybe except lizards, never had that one seen rotten |
| 12:57.33 | bob2 | for most things, anyway |
| 12:57.37 | caphuso | grr |
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| 12:57.52 | Shadur | Lizards don't rot. But you need to keep those for when you're bitten by a cockatrice. |
| 12:57.58 | Bogaurd | why does my fetchmail give me: |
| 12:57.59 | Bogaurd | fetchmail:/home/terry/.fetchmailrc:17: SSL is not enabled at ssl |
| 12:58.13 | bob2 | and line 17 is? |
| 12:58.17 | elnovato | http://www.apple.com/ lol |
| 12:58.31 | elnovato | may i run debian on that mini mac? |
| 12:58.35 | caphuso | a 17 line fetchmailrc? wow... i need 4 lines for 3 accounts |
| 12:58.59 | Bogaurd | it just says ssl |
| 12:59.04 | bob2 | elnovato: #debianppc, almost certainly yes |
| 12:59.04 | Bogaurd | because the server needs ssl |
| 12:59.15 | bob2 | Bogaurd: you're using woody? |
| 12:59.19 | Bogaurd | yes |
| 12:59.22 | elnovato | thanks bob2.. god bless you |
| 12:59.29 | Shadur | Bogaurd: Evidently, the version of fetchmail you have installed doesn't have ssl. If you're using woody, try apt-get install fetchmail-ssl |
| 12:59.31 | caphuso | Bogaurd: what version of debian? |
| 12:59.35 | bob2 | Bogaurd: install fetchmail-sl |
| 12:59.38 | bob2 | er, ssl |
| 12:59.41 | Bogaurd | ok |
| 12:59.44 | Besucher | i'm here again ;) |
| 12:59.54 | Besucher | i downloaded sarge, and installed it successfull |
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| 13:00.07 | Besucher | i've downloaded kde and x-window-systen too |
| 13:00.15 | Besucher | when i type X now i get only a grey screen |
| 13:00.26 | Besucher | what have i to do now, if i want to usw KDE |
| 13:00.27 | Besucher | ? |
| 13:01.03 | Guerin | Besucher: apt-get install kdm |
| 13:01.18 | Besucher | kde u mean? |
| 13:01.28 | directhex|work | Besucher, if he meant kde he'd say kde |
| 13:01.35 | Besucher | oh okay |
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| 13:01.38 | directhex|work | Besucher, and it's "startx" not "X" |
| 13:01.49 | Besucher | oki |
| 13:01.52 | Besucher | i'll try |
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| 13:05.21 | Besucher | ah restart helps |
| 13:05.23 | Besucher | kde is working |
| 13:05.28 | Besucher | thx for all your help :) |
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| 13:07.37 | Indal | hmm other than X what other windows managers are there, there's x.org x11 ... ? |
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| 13:07.50 | bob2 | they're not window managers |
| 13:07.55 | bob2 | x11 is a protocol |
| 13:08.00 | bob2 | x.org and xfree86 are X servers |
| 13:08.01 | Shadur | X isn't a window manager. |
| 13:08.17 | Indal | yeh i meant window system |
| 13:08.18 | Indal | sorry |
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| 13:09.07 | elnovato | x has the monopoly Indal |
| 13:09.15 | moshii | Indal: there is y |
| 13:09.27 | heth | :) |
| 13:09.30 | heth | y? |
| 13:10.10 | moshii | and there are a couple commercial X servers.. |
| 13:10.15 | Indal | hmm |
| 13:10.20 | Indal | ok |
| 13:10.27 | jm_ | ciga: find 'test' 'cvs' -type f ... |
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| 13:12.42 | clown | lo, passing "vga=1" as an option to the kernel does put the initial display in 80x50 lines; however, during the bootup its flips back to 80x25. Which package is responsible for that? |
| 13:13.00 | jk- | it's setsysfont doing that |
| 13:13.16 | clown | jk-, thanks, does it have a config as well? |
| 13:13.54 | Indal | hmm , windows managers, and desktops, what exactly is the difference between a windows manager and a desktop? |
| 13:14.07 | jk- | clown: no wait, scratch that |
| 13:14.25 | Shadur | Indal: ... Wasn't there a FAQ or somesuch at www.gnome.org that explains this shit? |
| 13:14.26 | clown | no 'setsysfont' on my system... ;-) |
| 13:14.55 | tpg | hello, I am getting kernel panic when booting up after debian net install. The error states Segmentation fault <6> Journalled Block driver loaded |
| 13:15.23 | tpg | any idea what might be wrong? |
| 13:15.48 | Guerin | Indal: a window manager manages windows. A desktop environment does lots of other shit too |
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| 13:15.55 | bob2 | Shadur: please be polite |
| 13:16.02 | clown | jk-, is it 'console-tools' ? |
| 13:16.06 | Shadur | yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 13:16.06 | bob2 | Indal: a desktop environment will include a wm |
| 13:16.17 | Indal | Shadur: i dont know, i read one from www.plig.org but well they seem to sound the same, and then when you go to sawfish it mentions multiple desktops, so i take it kde sits on top of the windows manager? |
| 13:16.21 | jk- | clown: not sure, i've never messed with this on debian :( |
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| 13:17.04 | PerfDave | There's xorg, xfree86, eclipse and cygwin for Windows, a couple of others in commercial Unix land IIRC. |
| 13:17.04 | Shadur | Indal: No, KDE pretty much insists (or insisted, the last time I tried it) on its own special window manager named kwin |
| 13:17.04 | PerfDave | And there's an X11 server for OS X for the Mac weenies |
| 13:17.15 | Indal | oooo cool |
| 13:17.30 | Indal | Shadur what is it you guys use? |
| 13:17.34 | bob2 | Indal: with sawfish they were talking about virtual desktops |
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| 13:17.59 | PerfDave | Indal: That sounds like a poll to me ;) |
| 13:17.59 | Indal | hmm ok so what is the most suited, at the moment i run kde, which is a bit bland i wanted something a bit more attractive (call me fussy) |
| 13:18.11 | Phated | Eh, KDE is anything but BLAND. |
| 13:18.13 | Shadur | Indal: I'm just me, but I use gnome-session as a desktop manager and metacity as the window manager. |
| 13:18.27 | PerfDave | Indal: Install the KDE themes package and tweak the appearance a bit? Select a differnt style in the Control Centre? |
| 13:18.32 | Phated | It's fiddly, you can make it do funny things. |
| 13:18.38 | Shadur | Indal: KDE's a lot of things that aren't polite to say in a family-friendly channel, but it's not bland unless you install a bland theme. |
| 13:19.04 | Indal | i see, fair enough |
| 13:19.45 | PerfDave | Indal: apt-cache search kde theme | grep kde |
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| 13:20.14 | Phated | Why not apt-cache search theme | grep kde? |
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| 13:21.12 | Guerin | well, clearly it depends on the family... |
| 13:21.23 | Indal | osbourne friendly |
| 13:21.35 | Indal | right well i'll check the packages available, thanks |
| 13:21.38 | scarynetworkguy | No we don't like stupid people. |
| 13:23.02 | grivell | !start a desktop war |
| 13:23.02 | dpkg | Why even install X? |
| 13:23.29 | Guerin | dpkg: no good web browsers work without it |
| 13:23.29 | dpkg | Guerin: bugger all, i dunno |
| 13:23.33 | Guerin | see |
| 13:23.35 | Guerin | he agrees |
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| 13:24.32 | directhex|work | apparently sco's xserver for windows is pretty good |
| 13:24.35 | PerfDave | Guerin: I think mwilson may disagree with you ;) |
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| 13:25.10 | tr | uh any hints on my mouse config with my evo n800w (touchpad mouse)? |
| 13:25.24 | Trev_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:26.13 | caphuso | tr: what's the problem? |
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| 13:27.01 | tr | caphuso, tbh i have no clue what kind of device it should be, obviously not ps2 or usb |
| 13:27.10 | tr | i chose something during installation but it doesnt work |
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| 13:27.24 | tr | so there isnt a mouse dev atm |
| 13:27.32 | caphuso | tr: isn' |
| 13:27.41 | caphuso | tr: isn't it just a standard touch pad? |
| 13:27.57 | tr | yeap should be |
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| 13:28.11 | caphuso | tr: should be ps/2 then |
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| 13:28.19 | tr | hmm i did not know that :) |
| 13:29.03 | ciga | jm_: thank you very much! |
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| 13:29.14 | caphuso | tr: try running mdetect |
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| 13:29.46 | Techdeck | hello, what am I supposed to do in order to use .lo files? (file's output: PCX image data, version 2.5), what do I need installed to support it? |
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| 13:30.10 | Caveman | is away, sleeping |
| 13:30.16 | Techdeck | I'm getting this error while compiling php: ext/zlib/zlib.lo: file not recognized: File truncated |
| 13:30.31 | PerfDave | Techdeck: Why are you compiling php? |
| 13:30.38 | Techdeck | PerfDave, I have to |
| 13:30.41 | PerfDave | !tell Caveman about away |
| 13:30.43 | Techdeck | I would apt it if I could :P |
| 13:30.45 | PerfDave | Techdeck: Why do you think you have to? |
| 13:31.06 | caphuso | random guess: because mysql doesn't work |
| 13:31.08 | Techdeck | because I run debian stable and I need cpanel to install stuff |
| 13:31.15 | caphuso | close |
| 13:31.19 | PerfDave | cpanel? |
| 13:31.28 | Techdeck | yes |
| 13:31.29 | directhex|work | PerfDave, a bit like webmin for web servers |
| 13:31.31 | Lect0r | http://www.icefighter.com/index.php?teamNr=92623 |
| 13:31.32 | PerfDave | What is cpanel? |
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| 13:31.35 | caphuso | webhosting web interface crap thingie |
| 13:31.40 | Techdeck | its a commercial webhosting panel |
| 13:31.40 | tr | caphuso, unsuccesful (also during install now i remember) |
| 13:31.48 | PerfDave | cpanel doesn't work with the version of php in woody? |
| 13:31.50 | simonrvn | cpanel is evil |
| 13:31.57 | Techdeck | PerfDave, it should |
| 13:32.01 | Techdeck | but it errors out what I said |
| 13:32.08 | Techdeck | caphuso, hey, I do have mysql running |
| 13:32.08 | PerfDave | Techdeck: So why are you compiling php? |
| 13:32.11 | caphuso | tr: weird. can you cat /dev/psaux? |
| 13:32.15 | Techdeck | caphuso, any ideas why do I get this error? |
| 13:32.24 | caphuso | Techdeck: damaged file? |
| 13:32.26 | Techdeck | PerfDave, because it uses cpanel's weird pathes |
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| 13:32.36 | Techdeck | caphuso, the .lo file or something in mysql? |
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| 13:32.41 | caphuso | Techdeck: the .lo file |
| 13:32.44 | tr | caphuso, explain please (im kinda noobish ;>) |
| 13:32.49 | Techdeck | caphuso, no way |
| 13:32.51 | PerfDave | Techdeck: Oh, it's not a PHP application, you actually have to compile PHP against it? |
| 13:32.58 | incorrect2 | does anyone know of a gnome applet that can check web pages? |
| 13:32.58 | Techdeck | caphuso, when I removed --with-zlib it errored on another .lo |
| 13:33.02 | PerfDave | Techdeck: Are you compiling php from Debian source packages? |
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| 13:33.11 | PerfDave | Techdeck: If not, are you compiling php into /usr/local? |
| 13:33.13 | Techdeck | PerfDave, no, I cant, I need to use the cpanel version |
| 13:33.23 | Techdeck | its prolly gonna be in /usr/local somewhere, yes |
| 13:33.24 | caphuso | Techdeck: well, pcx files are images, and i seriously don't see any reason why there should be any kind of graphics involved when compiling php |
| 13:33.33 | PerfDave | cpanel is an entirely seperate version of PHP? |
| 13:33.44 | Techdeck | lemme show you the ./configure stuff I added: |
| 13:33.44 | simonrvn | no |
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| 13:33.51 | Techdeck | --with-apxs=/usr/local/apache/bin/apxs --with-xml --enable-bcmath --enable-calendar --with-curl --enable-ftp --with-mcrypt --enable-magic-quotes --with-mysql --enable-discard-path --with-pear --enable-sockets --enable-track-vars --enable-versioning --with-zlib |
| 13:33.56 | PerfDave | Techdeck: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 13:34.08 | simonrvn | cpnael uses php, and takes over the system it's installed on |
| 13:34.15 | Techdeck | yes, something like that |
| 13:34.17 | Techdeck | :P |
| 13:34.25 | caphuso | Techdeck: anyways, that's hardly a debian question. you might have more luck in #php |
| 13:34.43 | Techdeck | caphuso, I thought maybe I forgot to support something, thanks anyway |
| 13:34.44 | simonrvn | Techdeck: um, that looks like an apache ./configure line, mashed together with a php one |
| 13:34.44 | Techdeck | :D |
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| 13:34.53 | Techdeck | simonrvn, thats true |
| 13:34.55 | Besucher | hi i'm back again |
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| 13:35.04 | Besucher | KDE works :) but i've a question again |
| 13:35.05 | Techdeck | it compiles em altogether |
| 13:35.18 | Besucher | my screen size is atm 800*600 |
| 13:35.20 | simonrvn | see what i mean about evil? |
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| 13:35.25 | Techdeck | lol |
| 13:35.27 | Besucher | how to change this to 1152*768? |
| 13:35.42 | PerfDave | Besucher: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:35.45 | simonrvn | Besucher: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 13:35.57 | PerfDave | !faq Besucher |
| 13:35.57 | Besucher | in the shell? |
| 13:36.00 | dpkg | Besucher: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:36.06 | PerfDave | Besucher: Or an xterm |
| 13:36.08 | simonrvn | where else? |
| 13:36.13 | caphuso | in his diary |
| 13:36.14 | Besucher | dont know ^^ |
| 13:36.16 | jetscreamer | yeah then restart x |
| 13:36.19 | simonrvn | caphuso: hehe |
| 13:36.45 | Guerin | write it on the monitor |
| 13:36.53 | Besucher | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found <--and what now? :/ |
| 13:37.00 | Guerin | in mirror-writing, otherwise the computer won't be able to read it |
| 13:37.00 | caphuso | Besucher: become root |
| 13:37.08 | Besucher | ah ok |
| 13:37.22 | simonrvn | Besucher: um, as root or sudo /usr/sbin/ |
| 13:37.37 | Besucher | root console opend, i'm testing |
| 13:37.52 | Guerin | we don't need the blow-by-blow |
| 13:37.59 | PerfDave | Guerin: *fnarr* |
| 13:38.14 | Guerin | PerfDave: I knew you'd ping on that one |
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| 13:38.19 | AciD | hey |
| 13:38.32 | AciD | anybody here tried apt-getting an icecast2 server ? |
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| 13:38.46 | simonrvn | no |
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| 13:38.51 | Besucher | done |
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| 13:39.07 | pzin | can someone possibly recommend a radius client |
| 13:39.17 | simonrvn | freeradius? |
| 13:39.22 | simonrvn | oh, client |
| 13:39.29 | simonrvn | dunno. |
| 13:39.31 | pzin | radsession seems to be what I'm looking for but isn't available for debian |
| 13:39.45 | simonrvn | so package it ;) |
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| 13:39.54 | simonrvn | read nm guide |
| 13:39.59 | simonrvn | @nmg |
| 13:40.05 | simonrvn | @gnm |
| 13:40.09 | pzin | yes, I should - shouldn't I |
| 13:40.26 | simonrvn | www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 13:40.39 | tarzeau | how can i get $HOSTNAME in zsh? using the command hostname ? |
| 13:41.03 | caphuso | tarzeau: $HOST |
| 13:41.25 | krolben | I'm trying to mount a windows ntfs drive in Sarge with this command (as root): "mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/win_d -t ntfs -o umask=777,uid=myUser". The mounting happens but I can only browse the dir as root. What parameters do I need to add/change? |
| 13:41.32 | tarzeau | caphuso: thanks |
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| 13:41.44 | joujou | how do i know what application is listening on port 8080 in my comp? |
| 13:41.56 | Techdeck | lsof -i tcp:8000 |
| 13:42.05 | Indal | or netstat -anp | grep 8080 |
| 13:42.10 | POVaddct | joujou: netstat --inet -nap | grep 8000 |
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| 13:42.18 | POVaddct | erm |
| 13:42.21 | POVaddct | joujou: netstat --inet -nap | grep 8080 |
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| 13:42.50 | Indal | shouldn't need --inet |
| 13:43.15 | joujou | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8080 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 13:43.18 | POVaddct | Indal: okay |
| 13:43.21 | joujou | no app is there |
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| 13:44.00 | POVaddct | joujou: then the app is running as a different user |
| 13:44.09 | POVaddct | joujou: try running netstat as root |
| 13:44.42 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Bad idea. |
| 13:44.42 | possie | how can i make apt also install the suggested packages automaticly ? |
| 13:44.44 | directhex|work | krolben, get rid of the umask, replace with dmask=555,fmask=444 |
| 13:45.05 | directhex|work | possie, use aptitude |
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| 13:45.12 | krolben | oki, I'll try - one moment |
| 13:45.28 | Okay | deos anyone know if you can use the webmin-1.170-1.src.rpm install with debian? |
| 13:45.41 | stian | Okay , dont think so |
| 13:45.41 | directhex|work | Okay, why would they? |
| 13:45.46 | tarzeau | is .zshrc the right place for export PS1='%n@%m:%~%(!.#.$) ' |
| 13:45.55 | possie | directhex|work. aptitude doesn't seem to run when i click on 'aptitude' from fluxbox, do i need to be root ? |
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| 13:46.07 | joujou | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8080 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2770/python |
| 13:46.11 | joujou | user is zope |
| 13:46.13 | joujou | ? |
| 13:46.15 | directhex|work | possie, aptitude is a console app. |
| 13:46.19 | stian | Okay , why not use apt?.. i think it would be mutch easier |
| 13:46.28 | tr | how do I make the console mouse setup as a ps2 mouse while i have already selected another one during installation? |
| 13:46.45 | Okay | stian, im new to linux is apt like webmin? |
| 13:46.46 | jm_ | tr: run gpmconfig |
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| 13:46.58 | possie | directhex|work. i heard about a gui version as well you know the name perhaps ? |
| 13:47.08 | directhex|work | possie, aptitude has a curses-based ui |
| 13:47.15 | directhex|work | possie, there's also synaptic, for X |
| 13:47.21 | tr | jm_, apparently there is no such command :) |
| 13:47.24 | stian | Okay , try to write apt-get install webin as root |
| 13:47.24 | directhex|work | !info webmin |
| 13:47.26 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: What's a bad idea? |
| 13:47.34 | dpkg | webmin: (Web-based administration toolkit), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.160-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1034 kB, Installed size: 5700 kB |
| 13:47.43 | Okay | ok thanks |
| 13:47.50 | jm_ | tr: then you don't have working mouse on console |
| 13:48.01 | tr | I know, thats what I want to fix |
| 13:48.04 | stian | !info apt |
| 13:48.05 | jm_ | install gpm |
| 13:48.06 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.5.27.2 (sid), Packaged size: 1059 kB, Installed size: 2936 kB |
| 13:48.08 | tr | ok |
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| 13:48.40 | directhex|work | !apt |
| 13:48.41 | dpkg | apt is, like, the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. |
| 13:48.53 | tr | brb |
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| 13:49.23 | krolben | YES! Thanks a lot directhex|work - It's mounted now! |
| 13:49.57 | krolben | hmm... but I can only see the files, not run them |
| 13:50.00 | ricky_clarkson | = 22:15:36 < PerfDave> We should get ricky_clarkson in here ;) |
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| 13:50.18 | directhex|work | krolben, why would you want to execute files on a filesystem without executable permissions? |
| 13:50.19 | cramer | i would like to create an .iso image using mkisofs. I would like all contents of a directory to be part of my iso irrespective of leading dots, long file names etc. so is there some consolidated option for the same. |
| 13:50.39 | directhex|work | cramer, read the man page for rock ridge & joliet extensions |
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| 13:50.46 | krolben | It's a partition with mp3's that I want to be able to run from both windows and Debian |
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| 13:51.06 | directhex|work | krolben, why would you _RUN_ an mp3? you _OPEN_ those with a media player |
| 13:51.10 | POVaddct | krolben: you can't "run" a mp3 |
| 13:51.22 | krolben | ok, I'll explain it in a better way :) |
| 13:51.40 | sloopy | heh language lawyers... |
| 13:51.59 | krolben | I can add the files to my XMMS playlist now but I can't run them. XMMS simply skips the files |
| 13:52.17 | kjoe | Is it possible to sync my kdepim-items with a symbian smartphone? |
| 13:52.36 | directhex|work | krolben, it probably objects to them being read only, or something. try a command line player, i.e. mpg321 |
| 13:52.36 | humbe | krolben: Do the user XMMS is running as has access to the files? |
| 13:52.37 | Indal | hmm is there a way with debian to remember the volume control settings, as when i reboot i always have to up the levels again to a reasonable standard, as they are always to the bottom? |
| 13:52.38 | eye69 | kjoe: Take a look at 'multisync'. |
| 13:52.47 | Okay | ok did that it installed but it still isn't showing up when I go to the web browser it says connection refused |
| 13:52.54 | directhex|work | Indal, with alsa or oss? |
| 13:52.59 | eye69 | kjoe: I sync Evolution with a Motorola A1000 over SyncML with multisync. |
| 13:53.08 | Indal | directhex|work: alsa |
| 13:53.11 | directhex|work | Okay, what are you trying to use webmin to do? |
| 13:53.12 | kjoe | multisync will only sync evolution or does it kontact as well? |
| 13:53.12 | beatle | cramer: `-ldots Allow ISO9660 filenames to begin with a period.' |
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| 13:53.21 | krolben | I've given the user access using uid=username in the mount command |
| 13:53.22 | humbe | krolben: If you mount an fs without filerights set, as fat, you need to specify user/rights when mounting it... |
| 13:53.23 | directhex|work | Indal, alsactl store. should run on shutdown automatically |
| 13:53.32 | Okay | show me the login and password screen :) |
| 13:53.35 | Indal | hmm well it isn't |
| 13:53.39 | caphuso | iso9660 filenames are only 8.3 anyways, nobody wants to use iso9660 filenames anyways |
| 13:53.46 | Indal | as i have to do it each time |
| 13:54.04 | humbe | krolben: Try to copy the file as the user and see if that works.. |
| 13:54.14 | POVaddct | mkisofs -r -J -o image.iso directory/ |
| 13:54.15 | beatle | cramer: `-l' allows 31 character filenames |
| 13:54.16 | directhex|work | Okay, that's an obtuse answer. why do you want webmin? |
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| 13:54.36 | directhex|work | POVaddct wins. rock ridge & joliet. |
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| 13:54.44 | krolben | here's the mount-command that I use: "mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/win_d -t ntfs -o dmask=555,fmask=444,uid=philip" |
| 13:54.47 | beatle | darn! =) |
| 13:54.52 | krolben | I'll try copying it |
| 13:54.59 | ricky_clarkson | c:\windows\docum~1\grr\i\hate\shitty\filesy~1\that\make\shit\like\this\necess~1 |
| 13:55.02 | POVaddct | directhex|work: i always use these options |
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| 13:55.03 | Okay | well, to use it for stats and management of the server |
| 13:55.15 | directhex|work | !webmin |
| 13:55.15 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
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| 13:56.07 | krolben | I can't open the files for reading: Permission denied |
| 13:56.13 | Okay | hmmm so it is very unsafe it seems |
| 13:56.14 | directhex|work | krolben, UID is sorta redundant when passing a permission to all users. and you haven't said whether mpg321 works yet |
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| 13:56.29 | krolben | I'll test that now, one moment |
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| 13:56.43 | drac | Okay: use ssh for managements, and phpmyinfo for stats ;) |
| 13:57.15 | caphuso | dmask and fmask work just like umask, right? |
| 13:57.28 | tr | i got gpm ok and tried to choose the mouse to psaux, no luck :p |
| 13:57.38 | linuxuser05 | hello |
| 13:57.41 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: But we were talking about Manchester! |
| 13:57.47 | jm_ | tr: describe your hardware |
| 13:57.58 | directhex|work | caphuso, depite the name, they're not masks, they're actual permissions |
| 13:58.02 | stian | hi, linuxuser05 |
| 13:58.02 | krolben | mpg321 says "permission denied" |
| 13:58.10 | linuxuser05 | hi stian |
| 13:58.19 | directhex|work | krolben, what does dpkg -l show the permissions as? |
| 13:58.22 | linuxuser05 | this is a linux room correct |
| 13:58.30 | stian | yepp |
| 13:58.31 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Strange thing to do. |
| 13:58.34 | directhex|work | !room |
| 13:58.34 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 13:58.34 | linuxuser05 | good |
| 13:58.35 | humbe | krolben: ls -l |
| 13:58.37 | ricky_clarkson | linuxuser05: No, it's a #debian channel. |
| 13:58.37 | asg | linuxuser05: s/linux/Debian GNU/ |
| 13:58.48 | directhex|work | LinusGates, it's a Debian channel. |
| 13:58.49 | caphuso | krolben: what does 'ls -ld /mnt/win_d' say? |
| 13:58.54 | tr | jm_ compaq evo n800w laptop with a standard(?) touchpad mouse |
| 13:58.59 | ricky_clarkson | We don't discuss the Linux kernel a lot here, sorry. |
| 13:59.06 | linuxuser05 | i'm using simply mepis |
| 13:59.15 | krolben | dr-x---r-- 1 philip root 532480 2005-01-12 13:18 /mnt/win_d |
| 13:59.24 | directhex|work | linuxuser05, #mepis |
| 13:59.34 | directhex|work | linuxuser05, or buy Point & Click Linux |
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| 13:59.39 | linuxuser05 | is that the channel |
| 13:59.40 | directhex|work | linuxuser05, or get mepispro with paid support |
| 13:59.45 | tr | jm_, I believe Im doing something wrong though, im extremely new to this |
| 13:59.51 | POVaddct | directhex|work: lol |
| 13:59.51 | caphuso | krolben: and 'grep win_d /proc/mounts'? |
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| 13:59.54 | linuxuser05 | i have that book |
| 13:59.55 | bob2 | linuxuser05: #mepis |
| 14:00.01 | bob2 | surprisingly |
| 14:00.09 | directhex|work | linuxuser05, which part of "#debian" looks like "#mepis"? |
| 14:00.15 | directhex|work | other than the hash, granted |
| 14:00.16 | humbe | krolben: You have only set umasks != file rights |
| 14:00.27 | jm_ | tr: 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:00.33 | tr | 2.4 |
| 14:00.46 | krolben | /dev/hda5 /mnt/win_d ntfs ro,noatime,nodiratime,uid=1000,gid=0,fmask=0674,dmask=01053,nls=cp437,errors=continue,mft_zone_multiplier=1 0 0 |
| 14:00.51 | tr | this laptop is bout 2 years old though, shouldnt be a prob |
| 14:00.55 | cramer | thanx directhex|work beatle got it done with this " mkisofs -o final.iso -r -allow-lowercase -allow-multidot -l -ldots Stuff/" |
| 14:00.57 | jm_ | tr: please prefix messages for me with jm_ -- does it support psaux devices? |
| 14:01.20 | krolben | humbe: what's the best way to do that in the mount command? |
| 14:01.22 | linuxuser05 | i'm in the room now ty all |
| 14:01.45 | tr | jm_, the kernel or the laptop? :f in any case my guess is yes |
| 14:01.49 | beatle | cramer: I checked, and it looks as if POVaddct's solution is the way to go |
| 14:01.50 | jm_ | tr: the kernel |
| 14:01.59 | humbe | krolben: man mount ... See mode= |
| 14:02.11 | jm_ | tr: don't assume, verify it |
| 14:02.11 | tr | jm_, it does, according to when i installed this (it was an option but i didnt chose it) |
| 14:02.15 | krolben | oki, will do |
| 14:02.15 | liten | Where should i put " proftpd-1.2.10 " directory when i have download it? |
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| 14:02.17 | krolben | thanks |
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| 14:02.39 | Guerin | liten: nowhere |
| 14:02.53 | Guerin | liten: apt-get install proftpd |
| 14:02.56 | Okay | debian is really amazing |
| 14:03.02 | liten | Guerin k |
| 14:03.04 | Guerin | !tell liten about pkgmgmt |
| 14:03.12 | Guerin | !tell liten about fundamentals |
| 14:03.13 | tr | jm_, my problem is that I dont know how to reconfigure the mouse for console (x i can handle i think), and choose the psaux rather than $rand that i chose previously during installation |
| 14:03.22 | liten | Guerin thx |
| 14:03.25 | jm_ | tr: wait, it works in X? |
| 14:03.30 | Guerin | tr: edit /etc/gpm.conf |
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| 14:03.38 | caphuso | krolben: ok... show me the permissions of a random file on that filesystem |
| 14:03.48 | tr | jm_, no, x wont start, but I think i could get that working if the console one worked |
| 14:04.00 | MerlinCorey | ok... just WHAT does middle-mouse-click in a page window do on firefox (debian/unstable package)? It seemed it was taking me to like previous pages I've been to... Now it just took me to D-Links website... What the hell is middle-mouse-down? My best google-fu yielded http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/mouse which doesn't seem to say (though I'm about to read it again, just in case) |
| 14:04.02 | Guerin | tr: ...? |
| 14:04.10 | jm_ | tr: you're again assuming too much - verify if it has support for psaux devices first |
| 14:04.20 | MerlinCorey | s/down/click |
| 14:04.27 | jm_ | MerlinCorey: the same as in netscape |
| 14:04.33 | stian | tr, x wont start if your mouse doesn't work |
| 14:04.33 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: paste the string in clipboard and go to that site, iirc |
| 14:04.44 | tr | jm_, i dont have facts i can only rely on logic, if the instal had the option to choose psaux, then the kernel supports it |
| 14:04.47 | MerlinCorey | jm_: that's helpful :P |
| 14:04.52 | jm_ | MerlinCorey: see above |
| 14:04.56 | jm_ | tr: cat /proc/devices |
| 14:05.00 | krolben | ---x-----x 2 philip root 3590815 2004-09-20 16:26 U2 - The Ground Beneath Her Feet.mp3 |
| 14:05.08 | Guerin | eep |
| 14:05.13 | Guerin | that's b0rk3n |
| 14:05.29 | MerlinCorey | aaah |
| 14:05.30 | MerlinCorey | quite |
| 14:05.32 | liten | Guerin " http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html " website not found |
| 14:05.33 | MerlinCorey | thank you, Guerin :) |
| 14:05.43 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: we hates it, baggins! |
| 14:05.49 | directhex|work | krolben, what's your mount line for that? |
| 14:05.50 | tr | jm_, there is no psaux in that list |
| 14:05.51 | jm_ | MerlinCorey: or Help -> Help topics -> Mouse Shortcuts |
| 14:05.53 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: I turned that shit off. I have a sensitive middlemouse |
| 14:05.57 | jm_ | tr: is there misc? |
| 14:06.04 | tr | jm_, yes |
| 14:06.16 | krolben | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.16 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 14:06.18 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: if you couldn't tell by my confusion, my new USB mouse has a super sensitive one. |
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| 14:06.33 | krolben | without the line change ;) |
| 14:06.42 | petemc | krolben: umask=022 is sufficient |
| 14:06.43 | simonrvn | oi vey |
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| 14:06.58 | jm_ | there might be a typo in that help text, someone submit a bug |
| 14:07.05 | krolben | I'll try with that, petemc |
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| 14:07.30 | caphuso | damn, where do you get ntfs filesystems from if you need them? |
| 14:07.33 | jm_ | tr: ok, so run od /dev/psaux and use the touchpad, see if it prints anything, then just stop it with ctrl-c |
| 14:08.00 | krolben | woohoo, it works now! |
| 14:08.01 | Guerin | liten: right you are. |
| 14:08.02 | directhex|work | caphuso, from windows |
| 14:08.10 | LinuxMafia | all : any body has any idea how to download rtsp://69.57.156.98:554/smil/999.smil? |
| 14:08.12 | Guerin | liten: sgeigerbot is refucking his website |
| 14:08.19 | tr | jm_, nice, sure does! |
| 14:08.26 | krolben | This worked: "mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/win_d -t ntfs -o umask=022,uid=philip" |
| 14:08.26 | directhex|work | LinuxMafia, try mimms? |
| 14:08.33 | jm_ | tr: ok, did you install gpm? |
| 14:08.38 | caphuso | directhex|work: oh, really? damn, why haven't i thought of that... |
| 14:08.38 | krolben | Thanks to all of you |
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| 14:08.40 | directhex|work | krolben, mounting ntfs read-write is asking for death |
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| 14:08.53 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: perchance, where did you find the option to turn it off? Edit -> Preferences seems lacking |
| 14:08.53 | Guerin | krolben: followed the old 'pick a random umask' method, did we? |
| 14:08.54 | caphuso | directhex|work: he doesn't |
| 14:08.56 | krolben | ...now I just need to make my usb headset work also :) |
| 14:09.00 | tr | jm_, I did with apt-get install, and i can start it and see helps etc |
| 14:09.02 | LinuxMafia | directhex|work: miimms? |
| 14:09.03 | humbe | krolben: umask != permissions.. Read up on difference... |
| 14:09.05 | liten | Guerin okidoki =) |
| 14:09.08 | jm_ | tr: run gpmconfig |
| 14:09.08 | krolben | hehe, something like that |
| 14:09.11 | directhex|work | !info mimms |
| 14:09.12 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: NFI, sorry. Might be a string in about:preferences |
| 14:09.19 | dpkg | mimms: (MMS (mms://) streaming media download utility), section net, is optional. Version: 0.0.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 53 kB |
| 14:09.20 | MerlinCorey | kay, will check there :) |
| 14:09.20 | krolben | I'll read up on it. I've already learned a lot, though |
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| 14:09.53 | jm_ | MerlinCorey: tabbed browser preferences extension adds it |
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| 14:10.02 | tr | jm_, it points me to dpkg reconfigre but using that, it seems that my gpm is not installed properly. |
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| 14:10.08 | Guerin | liten: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:x5UEaMv5R-gJ:sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html+debian+package+management+howto+sgeiger&hl=en #google cache |
| 14:10.17 | MerlinCorey | jm_: ah, thank you. I knew I was forgetting something here (no extensions!) |
| 14:10.33 | LinuxMafia | directhex|work: mimms , let me try that |
| 14:10.39 | jm_ | tr: hmm are you using Woody or Sarge? |
| 14:10.49 | petemc | LinuxMafia: i think mplayer has rtsp support too |
| 14:10.51 | soccos | where in the gdm startup sequence can I run an xmodmap so that it won't be there when the sessions starts? |
| 14:11.19 | jm_ | tr: well it doesn't matter - either one has gpmconfig |
| 14:11.26 | MerlinCorey | bah |
| 14:11.32 | LinuxMafia | petemc: yes , but this file is not actual stream , it is a link to actual stream |
| 14:11.34 | MerlinCorey | seems I am out of luck for tbe on 1.0 :/ |
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| 14:11.46 | MerlinCorey | oh |
| 14:11.47 | MerlinCorey | nevermind |
| 14:11.50 | MerlinCorey | ignore me |
| 14:11.52 | tr | jm_, sarge, I ran gpmconfig -legacy and it worked better, now the mouse is recognizing in some level, but not quite operational yet :p, I |
| 14:11.54 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 14:11.55 | jm_ | it works for 1.0 |
| 14:12.00 | tr | ll try again |
| 14:12.26 | jm_ | tr: well you need to know what to enter when it asks you - especially if you're gonna use X too - /msg dpkg gpm+x |
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| 14:12.36 | kneet_ | topic - cdimage down - I'm d/loading from it now |
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| 14:13.11 | asg | kneet_: we'll have one of the ops change it, thanks |
| 14:13.48 | kensai | I installed Ubuntu in my slave HDD and let it install grub in MBR where debians grube were. Now I will throm ubuntu to the trash and want to install to the MBR again debian's grub, How I do this? |
| 14:13.55 | jm_ | MerlinCorey: submit a bug for the help explaining Mouse shortcuts while at it |
| 14:14.18 | caphuso | kensai: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
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| 14:14.44 | kensai | caphuso, so then this is possible? |
| 14:14.45 | MerlinCorey | jm_: aye, and do you think it is upstream or package maintainer's fault that the link to get extensions sent me to extensions for a previous version? |
| 14:15.04 | Guerin | !pkgmgmt is also if sgeigerbot's page isn't working, try http://feayn.org/~lewis/pkgmgmt.txt |
| 14:15.04 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 14:15.14 | jkarns | Hi all, does anyone have a clue why Sarge CD's 1-4 DL via bittorrent, but not > CD4 (tried 5 & 6)? |
| 14:15.32 | directhex|work | gah, i want a usb2 Freeview tuner with linux support. looks like the hard bit is the first part |
| 14:15.35 | MerlinCorey | jkarns: won't need more than CD1 generally as it is :o |
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| 14:15.54 | ricky_clarkson | Mmm, digital TV + computer could be interesting. |
| 14:16.03 | liten | Guerin when i have installed it " proftpd" what should i do next... i read somthing about " /usr/ports/ftp/proftpd " it should be there but i dont have it there... |
| 14:16.11 | jkarns | MerlinCorey, but my connxn is only 256 kbps. |
| 14:16.17 | Guerin | liten: that's for freebsd, by the sounds |
| 14:16.20 | asg | ricky_clarkson: except there isn't really anything worth watching on TV anymore |
| 14:16.22 | jm_ | MerlinCorey: it sends me to a page on addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/... which has all sorts of extensions (some of whic do not work with 1.0) - this is 1.0-4 from Sarge |
| 14:16.29 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: Does a freeview box communicate with the TV stations too? |
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| 14:16.48 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, nah, it's just passive, same as analog tv |
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| 14:16.53 | Guerin | liten: once you've installed it, install proftpd-doc, then read 'man proftpd' and the contents of /usr/share/proftpd* |
| 14:16.53 | toot | hey, how an i convert from Postscript to PCL. i'm attempting to use gs, but it requires X (i think)? |
| 14:17.05 | MerlinCorey | jm_: let me retrace my steps. somehow I ended up with: https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=0.9&os=Linux&category=Tabbed%20Browsing&numpg=10&id=158 |
| 14:17.13 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, there are plenty of PCI products, and a USB device for daisychaining to a sky box rather then for freeview# |
| 14:17.14 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: haha |
| 14:17.20 | MerlinCorey | (notice the 0.9 ) |
| 14:17.22 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: those pesky xpi files |
| 14:17.40 | liten | Guerin okey thx will be back later :P |
| 14:17.43 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, but essentially, the new mac mini looks like a very sexy HTPC, missing only some loving linux |
| 14:17.51 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: Maybe one day you'll be able to download viruses^Wprograms that relate to the TV programme you're watching :) |
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| 14:18.01 | simonrvn | caphuso: could you add exim to that? [SECURITY] [DSA 635-1] New exim packages fix arbitrary code execution |
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| 14:18.12 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, they're just MPEG2 streams at the moment |
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| 14:18.29 | simonrvn | directhex|work: ha, some sanity. that or ogg |
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| 14:18.46 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: And the sound? |
| 14:18.47 | kensai | caphuso, for what I unsderstand I just need to do this grub-install /dev/hda is this ok to reinstall grub? |
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| 14:18.51 | simonrvn | caphuso: thanks |
| 14:18.54 | jm_ | MerlinCorey: hmm the page I get at has Tabbed Browsing link, which has Tabbrowser Preferences 0.6.5 |
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| 14:19.04 | caphuso | kensai: is that what the readme file tells you? |
| 14:19.11 | kensai | caphuso, yeah |
| 14:19.12 | jm_ | MerlinCorey: this one works for 0.9.1+ apparently |
| 14:19.41 | directhex|work | MPEG I layers 1,2,3 and MPEG II layer 1 |
| 14:19.45 | jm_ | which reminds me, Focus Last Tab for 1.0 is still not there |
| 14:19.53 | directhex|work | jm_, TBE breaks most things, all the time. |
| 14:19.56 | MerlinCorey | jm_: but change the version in your address to 1.0 |
| 14:20.00 | MerlinCorey | jm_: you'll find a new |
| 14:20.01 | tr | jm_, I reinstalled gpm now it seems to work better, mouse is configured as /dev/psaux and type ps2 (also tried ps2auto), X starts but still the mouse doesnt work anywhere |
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| 14:20.23 | MerlinCorey | jm_: and it's twice the size, to boot |
| 14:20.26 | jm_ | tr: sort it out on console first |
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| 14:20.28 | caphuso | kensai: any reason why you suspect that file to lie to you? |
| 14:20.48 | jm_ | directhex|work: hmm no problems for me so far |
| 14:20.56 | simonrvn | directhex|work: i was speaking of mpeg2. which is an ok "cross-platform" format for video too. unless you know of a better one, that doesn't require proprietary players? |
| 14:20.58 | mooded | umm.. anybody knows a program with which i can run apps with a different uid/gid ? |
| 14:21.05 | asg | mooded: sudo |
| 14:21.09 | caphuso | mooded: su |
| 14:21.13 | Guerin | hrm, I want mutt to save a copy of each outgoing messages in the 'Sent' folder in my imap server |
| 14:21.15 | kensai | caphuso, nah, sorry is just that I'm scared I mess the whole thing and I can't boot debian anymore |
| 14:21.19 | gahan | is "IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) Serial ATA 150 Storage Controller" supported by 2.4.27? |
| 14:21.24 | simonrvn | Guerin: fcc |
| 14:21.27 | mooded | thanks guys. |
| 14:21.38 | simonrvn | Guerin: man muttrc |
| 14:21.38 | Guerin | simonrvn: fuck you very much :) |
| 14:21.42 | jethro | Guerin: set record="+Sent" # default location to save outgoing mail |
| 14:21.42 | caphuso | Guerin: something like "set record=imap://blah" |
| 14:21.46 | PerfDave | Guerin: set record==outbox |
| 14:21.46 | simonrvn | Guerin: ,.|.. |
| 14:21.54 | Guerin | simonrvn: no, it's a joke... |
| 14:22.03 | simonrvn | Guerin: so is mine :) |
| 14:22.10 | tr | jm_, one webpage that apparently runs the same laptop as i do with linux, has ps2 and /dev/mouse in X config file, gonna try those :) |
| 14:22.27 | Guerin | http://lewis.feayn.org/~lewis/FCCSong.mp3 |
| 14:22.28 | asg | gahan: try it and see though you will more than likely need a 2.6.x kernel |
| 14:22.34 | liten | Guerin i looked into the directory "/usr/share" couldent find proftpd there... Then i tried to install " install proftpd-doc" in the terminal but that dident worked to.. =( |
| 14:22.37 | jm_ | tr: no |
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| 14:22.53 | simonrvn | Guerin: teehee. i have that in ~/ somewhere |
| 14:22.54 | jm_ | MerlinCorey: hah, indeed |
| 14:23.01 | tr | jm_, okey |
| 14:23.04 | jethro | Guerin: + makes it relative to the mailbox |
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| 14:23.09 | gahan | aha |
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| 14:23.19 | gahan | asg: 2.4.28 doesnt work for me, only 2.4.27 :( |
| 14:23.25 | MerlinCorey | jm_: yeah. so it's either something wrong with the addons site or on our side |
| 14:23.31 | gahan | asg: and 2.4.27 doesnty support it as far as i can see |
| 14:23.46 | asg | gahan: well, try a 2.6.x kernel |
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| 14:23.56 | gahan | asg: so 2.6.10 is the solution as fast as http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0022-pagefault.txt get fixed :-) |
| 14:23.56 | jethro | hi asg |
| 14:24.03 | directhex|work | simonrvn, when my dvd ripping toolchain suports theora, i'll give it a go |
| 14:24.04 | Okay | when a package on the debian site has big red security text is that because it is a risk to install that package? |
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| 14:24.11 | asg | gahan: could be |
| 14:24.13 | asg | jethro: hiya |
| 14:24.33 | simonrvn | Okay: no it means you should read it and then decide |
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| 14:24.55 | tr | jm_, oh right heh forgot /dev/mouse isnt a real type |
| 14:25.29 | jm_ | tr: do it as dpkg told you, except maybe change autops2 to ps2 |
| 14:25.44 | tr | jm_, i did, tried with both, no luck |
| 14:26.13 | jm_ | tr: first sort out gpm on console, then you'll work on X - don't mess with both at the same time |
| 14:26.30 | Guerin | gahan: there are patches floating around teh intarweb ... one for the grsecurity kernel, another for a vanilla kernel |
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| 14:26.45 | gahan | Guerin: oh thats great news |
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| 14:26.55 | Besucher | one last question i've atm ^^, how to add ntfs-hdd's? |
| 14:26.56 | tr | jm_, right makes sense, however ive now tried with gpmconfig and dpkg, with /dev/psaux plus ps2 or autops2, with no success |
| 14:27.08 | Guerin | gahan: and it's fixed in 2.4.29-rc1 |
| 14:27.08 | bob2 | no patch yet afaict |
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| 14:27.39 | jm_ | tr: try gpm -t help to get some other types you can try |
| 14:27.50 | tr | jm_, will do |
| 14:27.53 | Guerin | ooh, another local root |
| 14:27.56 | Guerin | huzzah |
| 14:28.15 | greycat | Insert Linux advocacy. |
| 14:28.18 | xpato | how can i know what process are writing to the hard disk, or partition of it, i know lsotf can tell me, but i need some statics |
| 14:28.18 | Besucher | can somebody tell me, how i can add my nfts-partitions? |
| 14:28.34 | thomas_adam | Besucher: /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs |
| 14:28.39 | thefly | Besucher: add to what? |
| 14:28.39 | greycat | only affects SMP... that's a good thing. |
| 14:28.50 | Besucher | add so that i can usw it thefly |
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| 14:29.01 | greycat | Besucher: mount it somewhere. |
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| 14:29.14 | Besucher | how is the question^^ |
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| 14:29.26 | greycat | Besucher: man mount, man fstab |
| 14:29.29 | Besucher | and where find my partitionen when they are'nt mountet |
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| 14:29.37 | greycat | Besucher: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 14:29.44 | Besucher | ok |
| 14:29.48 | greycat | and maybe "cat /proc/partitions" (depends on kernel) |
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| 14:31.29 | f0xt | please, How I append files to file .tar.gz? |
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| 14:31.54 | greycat | you have to uncompress it first |
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| 14:31.56 | bob2 | you can't |
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| 14:32.03 | bob2 | uncompress and read the tar manpage |
| 14:32.18 | zno | ~faq |
| 14:32.19 | apt | well, faq is The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:32.50 | zulkifar | Problem with mount. When I do 'mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/win' - partition is mounted, but neither 'mount /dev/hda2' nor 'mount /mnt/win' does work - 'wrong fs type, bad option... ' message. In /etc/fstab there is an entry: "/dev/hda2 /mnt/win ntfs defaults, etc...". Why mount doesn't work here? |
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| 14:34.06 | greycat | zulkifar: because ", etc..." is not valid syntax in fstab(5) |
| 14:34.16 | zno | I know the name of my ethernet module, but eth0 is not up, how do I load it into the kernel? |
| 14:34.23 | zulkifar | greycat: ha.ha.ha. |
| 14:34.23 | greycat | zno: modprobe |
| 14:34.24 | tr | jm_, eh no luck really, Im gonna switch the network cable (no router yet) and browse some webpages for info with my other comp, maybe that |
| 14:34.34 | zno | greycat: thanks |
| 14:34.36 | tr | ll give me an idea, thanks for your time & patience :) |
| 14:34.39 | DerJamster | zulkifar: put the fstab onto a nopaste site. |
| 14:34.39 | jm_ | tr: how are you testing this? |
| 14:35.06 | tr | jm_, by "moving" the mouse really, and clicking the buttons :) |
| 14:35.21 | jm_ | tr: yes, but do you also restart gpm? |
| 14:35.35 | zulkifar | greycat: actually your right, probably I use some bad option - it was vfat before and options may be incompatible! Thanx |
| 14:35.35 | tr | jm_, both gpmconfig and dpkg restart gpm automaticaly |
| 14:35.50 | jm_ | tr: gpmconfig asks you if you want to restart it |
| 14:36.24 | tr | jm_, ah well could be |
| 14:36.27 | Besucher | how can i found out, how my partition is named? |
| 14:36.42 | Shadur | type mount |
| 14:36.46 | Besucher | ok |
| 14:37.08 | tr | jm_, oo oo oo..wait a min i think it works |
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| 14:37.22 | Besucher | my ntfs-paritions are not listet when i type mount :/ |
| 14:37.29 | jm_ | tr: what has happened to change your mind? |
| 14:37.45 | directhex|work | Besucher, if they're not listed by mount, they're not mounted |
| 14:37.47 | greycat | Besucher: I already answered that one. |
| 14:38.01 | Besucher | greycat: but i don't know what to do ^^ |
| 14:38.05 | Besucher | i'm too nooby |
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| 14:38.18 | tr | jm_, ok well gpmconfig asks me if I want to test the mouse, i did, it works perfectly, but when I close the test and gpmconfig (it automatically stops and arts gpm again), it no longer works properly |
| 14:38.23 | greycat | Besucher: type the fucking command that I gave you. |
| 14:38.26 | Besucher | and when i type man mount i get a long long long text |
| 14:38.32 | greycat | and read that. |
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| 14:38.52 | jm_ | tr: then it doesn't use the same parameters or so, check /etc/gpm.conf |
| 14:39.04 | WERnick | hello |
| 14:39.21 | Besucher | i shall read the long text which appears when u type man mount completly?? |
| 14:39.21 | ricky_clarkson | How can I search an SVN repository for a file that's not in the current working copy? |
| 14:39.33 | ricky_clarkson | Besucher: Yes. |
| 14:39.36 | Besucher | omfg |
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| 14:39.42 | ricky_clarkson | Besucher: That's how we learn. |
| 14:39.44 | tr | jm_, ok, atleast I know the correct settings that oughta make it work checkin conf |
| 14:39.53 | Besucher | i'll be back in a few days :/ |
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| 14:39.54 | Besucher | ^^ |
| 14:40.10 | ricky_clarkson | Besucher: You can always skip the sections that are irrelevant for you. |
| 14:40.30 | Besucher | then i'll find out which are irrelevant :) |
| 14:40.43 | ricky_clarkson | Besucher: 1260 lines takes you 3 days? |
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| 14:40.51 | Besucher | could be yes |
| 14:40.57 | ricky_clarkson | !1260/3/8 |
| 14:40.58 | dpkg | 52.5 |
| 14:41.06 | Besucher | with school and so an between all |
| 14:41.12 | ricky_clarkson | So that's less than one line per minute, if by a day you mean 8 hours. |
| 14:41.33 | ricky_clarkson | Besucher: Do you have problems with your glasses? |
| 14:41.48 | Besucher | i've no glasses |
| 14:41.57 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm, that could be the problem. |
| 14:42.00 | bob2 | please try to be polite to one another |
| 14:42.07 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm, that could be the problem, sir. |
| 14:42.09 | greycat | bob2: and party on, dude! |
| 14:42.18 | greycat | </bill_and_ted> |
| 14:42.19 | PerfDave | greycat: *airguitar* |
| 14:42.19 | bob2 | Besucher: 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' will show you the partitions on that disk |
| 14:42.27 | bob2 | greycat: be excellent to each other, dude! |
| 14:42.29 | Besucher | ah kay i'll look |
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| 14:42.36 | greycat | Keanu's best performance. |
| 14:42.56 | PerfDave | greycat: I think you're ignoring Point Break *phwoar* |
| 14:42.56 | Guerin | greycat: he was a natural |
| 14:43.00 | ricky_clarkson | No, the fight in The Matrix between him and Moebius was great. |
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| 14:43.17 | PerfDave | Top man-totty. Shame about the acting. |
| 14:43.20 | bob2 | I liked the scenes where he died. |
| 14:43.21 | greycat | uh. Morpheus? |
| 14:43.34 | Guerin | he's YAFGB |
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| 14:44.03 | PhUrl | anyone can help me with some troubleshooting of a HP LaserJet 101 |
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| 14:44.08 | zulkifar | greycat: back to mount problem - bad option was "uni_xlate". Despite there is such an option for ntfs (according to man) - it doesn't work which is strange |
| 14:44.18 | greycat | zulkifar: file a bug report |
| 14:44.23 | tr | jm_, ah it works! thanks for your patience really, great support :) the problem seemed to be in the conf file, for some reason gpmconfig didnt write anything in there (only one line), also dpkg didnt quite do the trick until I chose to upgrade the conf fil |
| 14:44.40 | Besucher | ah bob2 now i know which partition has which name, thank you |
| 14:44.50 | jm_ | tr: ok, now you have to configure X correctly (read comments at the top of the file if you'll modify it manually!) |
| 14:44.58 | greycat | Besucher: I GAVE YOU THAT COMMAND TEN MINUTES AGO. |
| 14:45.00 | greycat | Jesus! |
| 14:45.03 | zulkifar | greycat: it could be just 'man mount' problem, isnt' it? :) |
| 14:45.09 | greycat | zulkifar: yes, it could |
| 14:45.22 | Shadur | greycat: Hey, leave My son out of this. |
| 14:45.22 | tr | jm_, Ill try dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86, dpkg seems very handy (first time i heard of it was today) |
| 14:45.24 | Besucher | greycat: oh i've not seen that, i was reading fuckin man mount ^^ |
| 14:45.29 | Besucher | sry |
| 14:45.30 | jm_ | tr: yes, do that first |
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| 14:45.49 | skel | can anyone recommend a good gui client for subversion? |
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| 14:45.55 | greycat | xterm |
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| 14:46.02 | Shadur | tr: The program you want is dpkg-reconfigure, not dpkg |
| 14:46.24 | skel | greycat: you're such a joker ;) you got a book coming out? cause thats sooo witty =P |
| 14:46.25 | zulkifar | greycat: why not rxvt or aterm? P) |
| 14:46.27 | WERnick | if I boot sarge with kernel Linux version 2.6.8-1-k7 I get problems with the LAN |
| 14:46.45 | greycat | zulkifar: xterm is more likely to be present. |
| 14:46.56 | enraged | define problems |
| 14:47.24 | Shadur | WERnick: There's a good relationship counselor that might be able to help. |
| 14:47.44 | plstate | kernel version 2.6.8-anything has a lot of problems I've heard, I used to get kernel oopses every once in a while myself just booting up before I went back to 2.4.27 |
| 14:47.50 | Besucher | mount: can't find /dev/hda6 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab <--what shall me tell this? :/ |
| 14:47.51 | plstate | such a shame really, 2.6 is nice |
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| 14:48.12 | jm_ | plstate: it can't be nice if it oops-es on you |
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| 14:48.33 | jb34_ | hi i have an apache web server without mod_env |
| 14:48.41 | jb34_ | wich package provide this module ? |
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| 14:48.46 | zulkifar | Besucher: add it there |
| 14:48.46 | Shadur | At a guess? |
| 14:48.47 | greycat | !find mod_env sarge |
| 14:48.47 | plstate | well I heard it was just 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 that do that, isn't debian unstable up to 2.6.11 now>? |
| 14:48.53 | Shadur | libapache-mod-env ? |
| 14:48.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mod_env' (4 shown; 5 total): (/usr/share/webmin/apache/mod_env.pl) in admin/webmin-apache ;; (/usr/share/usermin/htaccess/mod_env.pl) in admin/usermin-htaccess ;; (/usr/lib/apache/1.3/{010mod_env.info|mod_env.so}) in web/apache-common ;; (/usr/share/doc/apache-doc/manual/mod/{mod_env.html|mod_env.html.en|mod_env.html.html|...}) in doc/apache-doc. |
| 14:49.02 | jm_ | jb34: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:49.03 | Hagar__ | hi |
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| 14:49.04 | jb34_ | Shadur : no :/ |
| 14:49.04 | WERnick | ok: "eth1: RealTek RTL-8029 found at 0x9400, IRQ 11, 00:00:B4:56:13:3F"and later then "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out" |
| 14:49.05 | Besucher | zulkifar: what have i to do, to add this? |
| 14:49.07 | Shadur | Or not |
| 14:49.08 | jm_ | it's basically in apache |
| 14:49.14 | jb34_ | jm_ : dpkg dont know |
| 14:49.23 | jb34_ | jm_ : and if it isnt compiled in ? |
| 14:49.24 | jm_ | jb34_: it does know, it tells you how to find out |
| 14:49.31 | Hagar__ | whats up |
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| 14:49.39 | greycat | or you could read the results he's already given us. |
| 14:49.51 | Hagar__ | what goin on? |
| 14:49.56 | Hagar__ | hello |
| 14:50.33 | jm_ | jb34_: http://tinyurl.com/5mqz2 |
| 14:50.34 | zulkifar | Besucher: vi /etc/fstab as root or better apt-get install mc and do what you need in Midnight Commander |
| 14:50.40 | jm_ | hehe tinyurl extension is neat |
| 14:50.45 | Hagar__ | }¦¬[ |
| 14:50.51 | Hagar__ | =Þ |
| 14:50.58 | tr | '/quit |
| 14:51.02 | directhex|work | greycat! |
| 14:51.03 | tr | oops |
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| 14:51.08 | tr | bbl :) |
| 14:51.29 | Hagar__ | what about the Iraqi elections, that arent going to be? |
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| 14:51.34 | greycat | Hagar__: OFF topic. |
| 14:51.37 | Besucher | zulkifar: i'll try, thx |
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| 14:51.48 | Hagar__ | anyone hear bout that? |
| 14:51.57 | Hagar__ | "off topic"? |
| 14:52.01 | fbtab | this channel is way too abused.. |
| 14:52.06 | greycat | yes, it's not suitable for #debian |
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| 14:52.07 | Hagar__ | there are 500 people in this room |
| 14:52.09 | Hagar__ | lol |
| 14:52.19 | zno | if a module is not on my base system (it's e100) what do I need to do? |
| 14:52.29 | greycat | there are 806. |
| 14:52.30 | PerfDave | zno: load it? |
| 14:52.34 | Hagar__ | lol |
| 14:52.35 | WERnick | in the moment I use kernel "version 2.4.27-1-k7" and it works fine |
| 14:52.44 | Shadur | Hagar__: And while some of them undoubtedly care about what you might have to say, they all agree that this isn't the place for you to say it. |
| 14:52.47 | zno | PerfDave: modprobe e100 doesn't work |
| 14:52.52 | greycat | zno: get a newer kernel. woody doesn't have it, and never will. |
| 14:52.59 | zno | damn |
| 14:53.05 | zno | what kernel should I get? |
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| 14:53.07 | Hagar__ | shadur, this is a computer talk only room? |
| 14:53.08 | greycat | either upgrade to sarge, or build a custom 2.4.28 |
| 14:53.18 | greycat | Hagar__: worse. It's a DEBIAN talk room. |
| 14:53.28 | Hagar__ | what is debian? |
| 14:53.34 | greycat | !tell Hagar__ about debian |
| 14:53.38 | Hagar__ | plz |
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| 14:53.41 | Hagar__ | just once |
| 14:53.42 | fbtab | Hagar__: and the only election talk in here .. is those related to debian :p |
| 14:53.46 | Shadur | Hagar__: If you don't know what this channel is about, why did you come in here? |
| 14:53.49 | Guerin | haha |
| 14:53.50 | Hagar__ | no prob |
| 14:53.54 | Hagar__ | just fill me in |
| 14:53.58 | Hagar__ | and ill go |
| 14:53.59 | greycat | Hagar__: www.debian.org |
| 14:54.06 | Hagar__ | fine |
| 14:54.09 | zno | so picking woody was a mistake |
| 14:54.11 | jsm | Hagar__: are you for real? |
| 14:54.15 | bam | haha |
| 14:54.15 | Shadur | Hagar__: That's what we have a website for, imbecile. |
| 14:54.27 | greycat | zno: if you build 2.4.28 on it, it'll probably work out fine. |
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| 14:54.32 | MerlinCorey | !cluebat Hagar__ |
| 14:54.53 | MerlinCorey | YES! PERFECT HIT! :p |
| 14:54.55 | Hagar__ | one other thing, on the freenode irc, how do i limit the /list so that i dont get 2000 listings scrolling? |
| 14:55.07 | MerlinCorey | Hagar__: #help |
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| 14:55.59 | Hagar__ | i had no idea there was a FREE OS |
| 14:56.03 | Hagar__ | how is it? |
| 14:56.08 | MerlinCorey | Hagar__: it is very nice |
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| 14:56.23 | Shadur | Hagar__: Have you been living under a rock in the desert for the past decade or so? |
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| 14:56.39 | fbtab | bwahah |
| 14:56.42 | directhex|work | !troll Hagar__ |
| 14:56.47 | Hagar__ | shadur:: thats twice, dork |
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| 14:57.10 | MerlinCorey | in other news |
| 14:57.17 | Hagar__ | ooo im a troll, sure |
| 14:57.18 | MerlinCorey | I verified a nethack bug today |
| 14:57.22 | greycat | Hagar__: please shut up. |
| 14:57.31 | Shadur | MerlinCorey: Zow. There were any left? |
| 14:57.36 | MerlinCorey | my work is done :) http://www.rumandcoke.net/merlin/nethack/error.png |
| 14:57.42 | virus | ehm... The /etc/pam.d/common-password default settings are pretty braindead "password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5"... maximum password length of 8 - that's not a too good idea. |
| 14:58.00 | MerlinCorey | Shadur: there's an extensive list, though I get the joke ^_^ |
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| 14:58.10 | virus | Is there any reason for that default value? (I'd expect something between 16 and 64 but surely not 8 as maximum length. |
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| 14:58.45 | zno | I see a bunch of sarge ISOs numbered 1-15, some modification dates differing by a week, which should I download? |
| 14:58.47 | fbtab | virus: compatibility if im not mistaken. |
| 14:59.03 | greycat | zno: #1, or the net inst. |
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| 14:59.09 | zno | greycat: thanks |
| 14:59.18 | felixdz | I am having trouble getting my logitech webcam going... |
| 14:59.24 | felixdz | I am trying to install qc-usb but get this error: make: *** [qc-driver.o] Error 1 |
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| 14:59.57 | Shadur | felixdz: That was very helpful, thanks. Now if you'd look a bit further and post the REAL error.... |
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| 15:00.30 | virus | fbtab, compatibility at the price of a very bad security... ugh. :-/ |
| 15:00.44 | virus | fbtab, too good I'm reading the securing debian manual atm. |
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| 15:01.31 | fbtab | virus: the debian security manual had an explanation of why it was 8, iirc |
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| 15:03.03 | fbtab | hehe. thats nice |
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| 15:08.13 | Guerin | heh, I found out that a guy I went to school with is a DD and a high-up member of the NZ Go Society |
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| 15:10.51 | moshii | Guerin: ah, this guy thinks he's some sort of Linux god,.. totally the wrong attitude if you're teaching people |
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| 15:11.32 | moshii | directhex|work: there's little point in buying ppc hardware for linux |
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| 15:11.50 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: wtf is that? |
| 15:11.58 | directhex|work | moshii, that generally depends what you want to do |
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| 15:12.06 | directhex|work | moshii, if i want to be some itunes loser, then no, you're right |
| 15:12.21 | Chass | hey guys, how is Debian AMD 64? |
| 15:12.26 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 15:12.27 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 15:12.43 | scarynetworkguy | PPC is a damn good arch. Dispite the fact that Apple also uses it. |
| 15:12.49 | moshii | directhex|work: Linux on a PPC mac, linux on a PPC Amiga, Linux on a Pegasos.. all slower than a x86 which costs half as much |
| 15:13.10 | EdibleTe2t | directhex|work, pegasos? |
| 15:13.25 | greycat | cost isn't everything. |
| 15:13.31 | directhex|work | EdibleTe2t, mac mini. looks like the ultimate cute mythtv machine |
| 15:13.49 | moshii | EdibleTe2t: I strongly advice no one to buy Pegasos boards, Genesi are total idiots |
| 15:14.29 | moshii | scarynetworkguy: name some advantages of PPC then? |
| 15:14.35 | greycat | moshii: Theo de Raadt shares your opinion |
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| 15:14.54 | moshii | greycat: about Genesi? |
| 15:14.57 | greycat | yes |
| 15:15.03 | EdibleTe2t | moshii, I reads of some issue where developers werent paid.. its unfortunate looks like nice hardware, plus i would like to try morphos |
| 15:15.41 | moshii | EdibleTe2t: Genesi hasn't been paying their bills for a long time, they also have a very dodgy history |
| 15:16.25 | drac | i'm having small problem with lilo, http://www.pastebin.com/228016, or my friend has. if someone can tell me what this is about, i'll be grateful ;) |
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| 15:16.31 | moshii | EdibleTe2t: If you must buy PPC a mac is the only way, the Pegasos I&II and AmigaOne boards are pretty bad overall |
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| 15:17.02 | EdibleTe2t | !smite amiga for being cursed |
| 15:17.08 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: For one it's not Intel. Fast, runs cool, works really well if you want to make small fanless boxen. Just off the top of my head. |
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| 15:17.14 | Piru | omg |
| 15:17.18 | plstate | drac: I've been seeing that too, doesn't seem to affect anything though |
| 15:17.32 | plstate | where it tells me the /dev structure doesn't match /proc/partitions or something |
| 15:17.38 | Piru | (I'm not that unhappy about the nonpayment though, it has been more like a hobby to me, actually) |
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| 15:18.35 | Chass | any testamonials from users of AMD64 debian here? |
| 15:18.36 | moshii | scarynetworkguy: well, you can do the same with x86.. I like Sparc, PPC etc but overall if you want something to do real work they aren't worth all the expense |
| 15:18.53 | mikeX | Chass, i have a friend who installed it recently |
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| 15:19.07 | Piru | personally I'm quite happy with ppc, mainly because it's a) low power dissipation b) thus, quiet |
| 15:19.15 | drac | plstate: ok, i told my friend to try booting. he has LinuxOLD for safety :P tnks. |
| 15:19.17 | Guerin | Chass: you were told where to go for amd64 info |
| 15:19.18 | mikeX | chass, what do you want to know? |
| 15:19.19 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: What current gen x86 chip will run in a fanless box? |
| 15:19.32 | directhex|work | i just think mac mini looks cute enough to act as a myth machine |
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| 15:19.35 | directhex|work | scarynetworkguy, via c3 |
| 15:19.35 | plstate | drac: yeah, just make sure he knows to make an initrd.img if he used make-kpkg |
| 15:19.37 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: any one you like, if you underclock it enough :) |
| 15:19.53 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: And you do know that the people who run oh say the DNS root servers think you are wrong. :) |
| 15:19.54 | plstate | that's a stupid error I make sometimes, get the .deb's installed for kernel_image and stuff and forget to mkinitrd :) |
| 15:19.56 | drac | plstate: yeah, i explained all that allready to him. it's fine. |
| 15:19.57 | moshii | scarynetworkguy: hmm my p4 laptop is fanless ;) |
| 15:19.57 | scarynetworkguy | directhex|work: Guerin Heh. |
| 15:19.59 | directhex|work | scarynetworkguy, or any, gievn enough steel (google for zalman tnn500a) |
| 15:20.02 | Chass | Guerin, testamonials from a site promoting a distribution isn't exactly trustworthy, so i asked for testamonials in the channel. mikeX i am just curious how people found it |
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| 15:20.22 | Guerin | Chass: that irc channel IS the debian amd64 community. |
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| 15:20.32 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: What laptop? |
| 15:20.35 | directhex|work | Chass, hmm? |
| 15:20.35 | Guerin | Chass: and the site is the debian amd64 site |
| 15:20.41 | mascht | is there a way to configure bugzilla to CC every bugchange to a mailing list? |
| 15:20.49 | Chass | Guerin, oh sorry i must have missed something, didn't see an irc channel. will look again |
| 15:20.54 | moshii | scarynetworkguy: I'm not saying that there isn't a need, I just don't see the point in "average Debian user" forking out for a PPC box just to say "yeah check my uname -a homies" |
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| 15:21.09 | mikeX | chass: #debian-amd64 |
| 15:21.12 | Chass | yeah, i loked over that. thanks |
| 15:21.13 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: Do you have any clue at all what directhex|work does? and what laptop? |
| 15:21.22 | moshii | scarynetworkguy: fujitsu, it's not meant to be fanless but the fan is disconnected |
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| 15:21.33 | Guerin | moshii: oh, but that's the best thing ahout computing :( |
| 15:21.36 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: Thanks for making my point. |
| 15:21.45 | Shadur | moshii: I think you're underestimating the amounts of stupidity some people will go to just to improve their standing in a dicksize war. :) |
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| 15:22.05 | moshii | scarynetworkguy: I also have a pIII s370 running with just a homemade copper sink ;) |
| 15:22.06 | scarynetworkguy | and yeah it must suck to have no sense of play whatsoever. |
| 15:22.10 | citral | !start a penis war |
| 15:22.11 | dpkg | my schlong is longer than yers |
| 15:22.38 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: Not really current gen now is that? |
| 15:23.04 | moshii | scarynetworkguy: yep, but I bet it performs better than a lot of PPC systems |
| 15:23.13 | citral | blah |
| 15:23.21 | directhex|work | *cough* http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/view.asp?idx=64&code=020 *cough* |
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| 15:23.32 | directhex|work | moshii, ppc is faster than i386 or amd64. |
| 15:23.40 | Guerin | at equal clock |
| 15:23.43 | directhex|work | moshii, g3 is junk, g4 is better junk, g5 is fast |
| 15:23.52 | directhex|work | Guerin, generally. |
| 15:24.11 | scarynetworkguy | directhex|work: Yeah but just as facts have no effect on Mac folks they will alos have no effect on the likes of moshii. |
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| 15:24.26 | moshii | directhex|work: I thought that myth had been debunked already.. G5 is fast but 603 etc G3,G4 all lagged behind x86 in some areas? |
| 15:25.05 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: Just as x86 lag behind them in some areas. It all comes down to the right tool for the job. |
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| 15:25.10 | moshii | I suppose the one thing you get with one of those Apple servers is a very decent warranty |
| 15:25.15 | directhex|work | moshii, come back to me when you've got Rmax per-cpu GFLOPS values, running linpac on a sensibly sized cluster |
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| 15:25.53 | Capkirk | it seems security.debian.org is down can anyone confirm this? |
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| 15:26.09 | Jon | not answering my pings |
| 15:26.21 | moshii | scarynetworkguy: I agree, everything has a niche |
| 15:26.23 | plstate | mine neither |
| 15:26.27 | citral | down |
| 15:26.33 | directhex|work | moshii, for reference, a high-end G5 processor tends to be about 25% faster than a high-end opteron, for floating-point performance |
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| 15:26.49 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: That is *not* what you said when we started. |
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| 15:27.22 | bob2 | Capkirk: working for me |
| 15:27.34 | moshii | scarynetworkguy: I think I misunderstood, I was saying there's no point in desktop PPC boxen.. there's no need to get all angry |
| 15:27.55 | bob2 | haha |
| 15:28.13 | citral | the best point in PPC desktop box is the noise |
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| 15:28.29 | citral | but there are others, like the fabulous LCD screen of ibooks |
| 15:28.32 | bob2 | mascht: there is |
| 15:28.38 | gothtec | i've seen ppc's that make quite a bit of noise |
| 15:28.46 | bob2 | I miss my ibook screen on this x40 |
| 15:28.47 | gothtec | or, rather.. heard them |
| 15:28.51 | Capkirk | bob2: yeah its working now |
| 15:29.03 | bob2 | ibook's get quite loud if you peg the cpu for a while |
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| 15:29.09 | Capkirk | problery this baby that got the server to slow down -> http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-636 |
| 15:29.32 | bob2 | oh man, exim, glibc and kernel bug in the same day |
| 15:29.37 | petemc | http://www.lbedford.org/openssl/0.9.7/ - results of openssl speed on various archs |
| 15:29.39 | greycat | bob2: oooooh! |
| 15:29.48 | greycat | bob2: is it the 13th where you are? |
| 15:29.55 | bob2 | greycat: yes |
| 15:30.00 | WiFiTux | I'm having some problems with OSS Intel ICH Driver, could the ALSA driver fix the chipmonking? |
| 15:30.00 | greycat | >:-) |
| 15:30.05 | justin | bob2: and the last kernel bug still hasn't been fixed(well it's fixed in the -source package, but no -images have been built) |
| 15:30.06 | bob2 | haha |
| 15:30.20 | bob2 | justin: yeah, it wasn't even on lkml last I checked |
| 15:30.20 | SlayerXP | bob2: could you give me the results on tonights lottery draw, please? |
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| 15:30.31 | moshii | WiFiTux: yeah, it's because the hardware only supports one sample rate |
| 15:30.33 | bob2 | tho it;s only on smp systems |
| 15:30.34 | herodes | what about running kudzu on a debian?? |
| 15:30.37 | justin | bob2: no, the one BEFORE that |
| 15:30.41 | bob2 | herodes: don't bother |
| 15:30.47 | bob2 | justin: oh, wow |
| 15:30.56 | bob2 | herodes: use discover on 2.4 and hotplug on 2.6 |
| 15:30.58 | justin | though the one before that seems to not work on SMP systems, figures the new one ONLY works on smp systems |
| 15:31.05 | WiFiTux | moshii, really? Cause if I reboot it then works. But always my first boot, it will chipmonk. |
| 15:31.06 | bob2 | SlayerXP: 1 1 1 1 1 1 |
| 15:31.06 | justin | I just can't win:( |
| 15:31.21 | herodes | bob2, kernel? |
| 15:31.21 | SlayerXP | cool |
| 15:31.23 | moshii | WiFiTux: alsa takes that into account, OSS doesn't and just expects 48khz etc so you need to run everything through esd or something to change the sample rate.. long story short, use Alsa ;) |
| 15:31.29 | WiFiTux | !loose Jussi |
| 15:31.30 | dpkg | You lose Jussi! [and wifitux can't spell, either.] |
| 15:31.39 | WiFiTux | hahahha |
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| 15:31.53 | bob2 | herodes: yes |
| 15:32.17 | bob2 | openbsd still doesn't do smp on ir86? |
| 15:32.20 | bob2 | er, i386 |
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| 15:32.24 | greycat | yes, it does |
| 15:32.26 | WiFiTux | moshii, do you know which one is the module to load? |
| 15:32.30 | mascht | bob2: is is configurable via the webinterface? i hacked the source to add a cc on every mail but i wondered if there is a other way |
| 15:32.40 | greycat | it's SMP on i386 and amd64 (though the latter may be a bit experimental) |
| 15:32.44 | moshii | WiFiTux: use the alsaconfig tool |
| 15:32.55 | WiFiTux | moshii, right. :) Thanks! |
| 15:33.01 | bob2 | mascht: I'm pretty sure it's just a normal config option, since at least ubuntu's one feeds all bugs to a list |
| 15:33.09 | bob2 | mascht: try asking on the bugzilla list |
| 15:33.10 | directhex|work | WiFiTux, the alsa-base package will automatically block off oss modules from discover/hotplug |
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| 15:34.05 | WiFiTux | directhex|work, cool, even if it's built-in? |
| 15:34.13 | moshii | WiFiTux: if it only happens on your first boot maybe your hardware has a quirk, alsa will hopefully fix it |
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| 15:34.25 | directhex|work | WiFiTux, no, probably not, but you should be using a kernel-image anyway |
| 15:34.28 | chealer | justin: what are you talking about, uselib or what? |
| 15:34.43 | WiFiTux | directhex|work, no, my own kernels moved from woody to Sid. |
| 15:34.53 | justin | chealer: yep |
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| 15:35.09 | bob2 | chealer: and a new one that came out ~2 hours ago |
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| 15:35.23 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: I'm not angry. Just right. |
| 15:35.34 | PhUrl | hi al, check this out /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip -> ../../../bin/foomatic-rip is broken on unstable |
| 15:35.42 | bob2 | god dlink sucks |
| 15:35.49 | bob2 | everything they touch is tainted by Crap |
| 15:35.51 | chealer | justin: not sure, but uselib is fixed is 2.6.8 soname 2 |
| 15:36.02 | WiFiTux | directhex|work, could I have a problem? I'll simply recompile with intel-ich as module... Thanks! |
| 15:36.11 | justin | chealer: where are the packages? |
| 15:36.11 | herodes | bob2: with it, can i solve proiblems with my mouse in kde?? |
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| 15:36.18 | chealer | Justin : check revision 12 |
| 15:36.19 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Heh. I just ripped a rouge dlink box off of my network yesterday. It was causing collisons left and right. |
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| 15:36.31 | bob2 | herodes: I have no idea what your mouse problem in kde is |
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| 15:36.38 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: hah |
| 15:36.45 | bob2 | I'd be happy if mine managed to even do that |
| 15:36.49 | Guerin | kde doesn't have mouse problems |
| 15:36.51 | herodes | bob2, it is dead. |
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| 15:36.52 | chealer | kernel-image-2.6.8-2 |
| 15:36.58 | mtqh | will sarge install on a mac? |
| 15:37.01 | resiak | mtqh: Yes. |
| 15:37.12 | resiak | mtqh: Tell me that this isn't caused by Mini Mac? |
| 15:37.24 | justin | growl, why do they have to hide them like that |
| 15:37.27 | moshii | scarynetworkguy: I believe that being right or not is down to opinion, for instance women are always right; even if they are wrong ;) |
| 15:37.38 | chealer | justin: I also hunted the fix for 2 days |
| 15:37.47 | greycat | moshii: nah, some of them are definitely left. |
| 15:37.51 | mtqh | resiak: No it is not, I am using yellow dog and I hate it....Can I just stick disk one in and boot or is there more to it? |
| 15:37.53 | justin | chealer: the current situation of testing-security is a joke |
| 15:38.01 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Yeah, I've been telling my bosses for months that if we don't give the devs more ports they were going to start doing stuff like that. But I did enjoy taking their box. |
| 15:38.09 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: Nope. |
| 15:38.18 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: hah, I bet |
| 15:38.20 | Guerin | well, coming up on 9 hours, and my choons are still encoding |
| 15:38.27 | Guerin | which is fearsome |
| 15:38.44 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Yeah. I love playing the nazi. |
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| 15:38.51 | Guerin | when you consider that this is <10% of my music, and it's encoding at double real-time |
| 15:39.03 | bob2 | hah |
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| 15:39.14 | directhex|work | double realtime? |
| 15:39.14 | bob2 | I was surprised to find I had > 100 cds the other day |
| 15:39.23 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
| 15:39.23 | bob2 | since I don't remember buying even a 10th of that |
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| 15:39.43 | PhUrl | ok, i found a bug in the debian foomatic filters installation |
| 15:39.45 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: I've had to use a Linksys switch in a couple places here at work when the networking group doesn't get their shit together and give us the ports we need. And I swear to you, the linksys works BETTER than the Cisco crap that it's uplinking to. |
| 15:39.48 | Guerin | directhex|work: roughly, yeah. |
| 15:39.54 | chealer | since http://www.debian.org/security/ doesn't mention kernel issues, where are they? |
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| 15:40.06 | justin | greycat: what cisco crap do you have? |
| 15:40.09 | bob2 | chealer: it was on the full disclosuer list |
| 15:40.09 | si|vercat | can I set a server to join from CLI for ET? |
| 15:40.10 | Guerin | chealer: no fix, no dsa. |
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| 15:40.43 | greycat | justin: not sure about all of it, but there some 29xx's and some newer ones. All of them HARD-CODED to a specific speed/duplex, which means we can't autoneg. |
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| 15:40.59 | bob2 | haha |
| 15:41.03 | greycat | but if you plug a linksys switch in the wall jack, then you can autoneg with *that*. |
| 15:41.03 | bob2 | how old are they? |
| 15:41.08 | justin | greycat: ah, those are nice switches :-) |
| 15:41.08 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Oh yes indeed. I hate Cisco switches with a passion. And yeah I feel their pain and really hope the little storm I set off gets it fixed right. |
| 15:41.17 | directhex|work | bloody cisco, the autoneg on ours breaks all the sodding time |
| 15:41.22 | eugenesan | Hi all, i need help! I removed root@localhost from mysql users. How can i restore it? |
| 15:41.28 | justin | greycat: could always break into them and fix the config ;) |
| 15:41.37 | greycat | justin: hah |
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| 15:42.40 | bob2 | what are the deal with cisco 'switching routers'? |
| 15:42.51 | bob2 | overpriced switches or shitty routers? |
| 15:42.54 | justin | scarynetworkguy: we only have 500+ of them :-) |
| 15:43.12 | asg | scarynetworkguy: our Extremes are not much better |
| 15:43.14 | scarynetworkguy | justin: Sucks to be you. |
| 15:43.23 | petemc | im happy with my 3com 4400s |
| 15:43.24 | justin | scarynetworkguy: not really, they all work perfectly :-) |
| 15:43.26 | scarynetworkguy | asg: I've heard that. |
| 15:43.30 | jethro | !curse autosense |
| 15:43.31 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, autosense ! |
| 15:44.02 | greycat | jethro: yeah, because it makes SOOOO much sense to re-hard-code a laptop's NIC every time you move it to another room. |
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| 15:44.45 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Next time I see our Cisco rep I'll ask him. |
| 15:44.51 | bob2 | heh, thanks |
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| 15:45.38 | asg | scarynetworkguy: they fall apart long before the reach you so there's no point |
| 15:45.53 | moshii | scarynetworkguy: I didn't think ninja's used katana's |
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| 15:46.04 | guru | does anyone here use a geforce fx 5700? |
| 15:46.09 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Heh. True that. |
| 15:46.13 | gryzor | greetings... im trying to recompile iptables deb package, with support for layer7-filter, which consists of 3 files in the extensions/ of the iptables source dir. Now the debian build script doesnt care about me adding those, and doesnt build the proper iptables extensions. ANyone got a clue? |
| 15:46.13 | resiak | moshii: I didn't think that plural's used apostrophe's. |
| 15:46.15 | bob2 | moshii: you should look up what a redneck katana is |
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| 15:46.29 | Shadur | bob2: Ooo, ooo, I know. :) |
| 15:46.38 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: Heh. I think you're right but the Redneck Katana is well known as my weapon of choice. |
| 15:46.39 | bob2 | hah |
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| 15:47.02 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Which he can't do on wikipedia because they REMOVED my article about it. :/ |
| 15:47.15 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Your e2 article is also no more :( |
| 15:47.23 | bob2 | bastards |
| 15:47.28 | scarynetworkguy | Not that I'm all bitter and pissed off about it. |
| 15:47.31 | scarynetworkguy | Or anything. |
| 15:47.31 | asg | scarynetworkguy: start jargonpedia then |
| 15:47.35 | bob2 | there's pages of crap about tv shows on there |
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| 15:47.53 | drac | Hmm, debian stock kernel 2.4.18 is working, but when trying to boot custom 2.4.28 kernel; it fails. Prolly cause I couldn't find out what drivers should I use for "IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801AA IDE (rev 02)", anyone knows? |
| 15:47.57 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: you and greycat should start the linux-man-page-and-wikipedia-bitterness society |
| 15:48.16 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: *nice* |
| 15:48.37 | directhex|work | !linux man pages |
| 15:48.38 | dpkg | linux man pages are utterly shit, and you can't fix them even if you try. For example, see http://bugs.debian.org/111578 |
| 15:48.47 | bob2 | (haha) |
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| 15:48.56 | citral | uh, is it a good idea to put a dsl-router IP (e.g. 192.168.0.1) as DNS? Doesn't it suck for response time? |
| 15:49.06 | directhex|work | !magic hate ball |
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| 15:49.19 | directhex|work | citral, it's fast for any cached dns entries |
| 15:49.39 | citral | ok I see |
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| 15:49.55 | moshii | citral: my cable router uses dnsmasq.. saves time on all the google.com hotmail.com lookups it gets ;) |
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| 15:51.05 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: bob2 Speaking of man pages man sysklogd and search for sucker. :D |
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| 15:51.40 | scarynetworkguy | Best manpage *ever*. |
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| 15:52.09 | asg | scarynetworkguy: no, uubp(1fun) is |
| 15:52.14 | bob2 | haha |
| 15:52.54 | nvz | dpkg, date? |
| 15:52.54 | dpkg | The current date is Wed Jan 12 15:52:55 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
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| 15:53.12 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Heh |
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| 15:53.15 | Jon | I'm trying to work out if creative commons sharealike (derivs, noattrib) v1.0 is DFSG. Does anyone know of a summary page? most discussion focuses on v2.0 which is thought to be entirely non-dfsg. http://www.nl.debian.org/legal/licenses/ only covers cc v1 attrib |
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| 15:53.36 | asg | resiak: asr-manpages or funny-manpages |
| 15:54.21 | asg | resiak: funny-manpages |
| 15:55.21 | asg | Jon: try the debian-legal mailing list |
| 15:55.33 | resiak | asg: :D |
| 15:55.39 | moshii | does anyone know how to safely flush apt-proxies cache? it seems to have a bunch of broken packages that it won't reget |
| 15:55.49 | asg | resiak: though my patch for uubp is still pending :( |
| 15:56.07 | fofos | I may be a bit out of topic, Anyone knows a free codec type pretty much spreaded in which i could save a video so linuxians as windowsians have no problem opening it ? |
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| 15:56.24 | ricky_clarkson | fofos: mpeg? |
| 15:56.25 | asg | fofos: use mpeg |
| 15:56.28 | resiak | asg: What's the patch? |
| 15:56.29 | Jon | asg: cheers |
| 15:56.33 | asg | resiak: just a spelling fix |
| 15:56.44 | greycat | fofos: not any *free* ones. |
| 15:56.51 | fofos | okay, thanks |
| 15:57.01 | resiak | asg: The "alkohol"? |
| 15:57.01 | directhex|work | fofos, mpeg1 is the only one i can think of. windows sucks for codecs, unless you download more, where it still sucks |
| 15:57.15 | asg | resiak: yeah, iirc |
| 15:57.20 | greycat | I've heard mplayer runs on windows now. |
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| 15:57.32 | fofos | okay, thanks |
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| 15:57.49 | directhex|work | greycat, yes, but if they're downloading extra things |
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| 15:58.03 | asg | resiak: or rather s/PI/IP/ |
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| 15:58.05 | directhex|work | greycat, plus, vlc is a bit more user friendly compared to running things from cmd.exe |
| 15:58.39 | bob2 | Jon: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sa/1.0/? |
| 15:58.46 | scarynetworkguy | mplayer and xine and a nice vlc client. http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/classes/en/multimedia.html |
| 15:59.24 | directhex|work | this is missing the point that mpeg1 is pretty much the only thing windows users can use without extra downloads. bar maybe pcm/rgb avi |
| 15:59.35 | ToMMY2ooo | I have set up some logging to send output to a virtual terminal, so I can keep tabs of whats going on. How can I get to a specific terminal without having to open several windows? |
| 15:59.46 | resiak | asg: Oh, yeah. |
| 16:00.24 | bob2 | I think it does YUV, too |
| 16:00.48 | moshii | directhex|work: mediaplay supports those closed intel codecs and mpeg1 by standard.. newer versions WMV but you can't encode that under anything but windows I think |
| 16:01.07 | Jon | bob2: yup |
| 16:01.14 | directhex|work | moshii, correct. hence mpeg1 is the only option for cross-platform encoding AND decoding without extra codecs |
| 16:01.21 | Jon | bob2: that's the one. no luck searching -legal, too many 2.0 matches flood the max 100 search limit |
| 16:01.34 | Jon | going to play with date restrictions |
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| 16:06.31 | humbe | mpg1 is sufficient for use with television anyway, if encoded by a good encoder. |
| 16:06.58 | directhex|work | sufficient to see what's happening, but not pleasant |
| 16:07.14 | moshii | humbe: they size/quality ratio isn't that good though |
| 16:07.18 | directhex|work | try watching some old Philips CDi disks to see what people thought was acceptable image quality |
| 16:07.21 | moshii | s/they/the |
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| 16:08.16 | humbe | Well.. If you're the regular joe, your TV blurs so much anyways, that you wont see the difference between a VCD and a DVD.. Of course, if you've got new good equipment, or want to watch on monitor or projector or whatever, when it's a totally different case... |
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| 16:08.31 | Bombo | hi, where can i define the default-release if i have stable unstable and testing in my sources-list? |
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| 16:09.00 | humbe | Bombo: See apt documentation on debian.org |
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| 16:09.14 | moshii | humbe: mm people notice the difference between VCD and DVD quite easilly I think, most people think VCD looks like bootleg or something even if it's offical heh |
| 16:09.16 | humbe | It's in the HOWTO I think... |
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| 16:10.03 | humbe | moshii: Then they either have a sharp TV, won't admit the difference is little, or they haven't got a VCD encoded in optimal quality.. |
| 16:10.30 | directhex|work | humbe, if you honestly can't tell the difference between dvd and vcd, i suggest visiting an optician STAT. |
| 16:10.36 | Bombo | humbe: it says apt.conf: APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 16:10.48 | Bombo | humbe: but that is just for install, not for source |
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| 16:11.02 | humbe | Bombo: Oki.. Dunno when :) |
| 16:11.08 | Bombo | humbe: when i type apt-get install irssi-text it fetches the stable one |
| 16:11.20 | directhex|work | humbe, the vcd standard has a very low maximum bitrate for video. even if you rip the thing with full wide-motion search and floating point idct, you still don't have enough bits to store the info to make it look non-ass |
| 16:11.24 | Bombo | humbe: but apt-get source irssi-text fetches unstable |
| 16:11.29 | moshii | humbe: VCD's of real-life video always have bad aliasing, most people can see it but think it's acceptable |
| 16:11.32 | Bombo | anyone? |
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| 16:13.22 | humbe | I can't say how you experience the difference, but if you manage to see the difference on an old TV, then I really don't think you're viewing a VCD in optimal quality.. I'm not saying mpeg1 is good enough. There's a lot of crappy encoder programs and a lot of clueless encoders out there... |
| 16:14.01 | orchid | Bombo: apt-get -t I think |
| 16:14.38 | orchid | Bombo: apt-get -t testing irssi-text |
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| 16:15.48 | gahan | Guerin: hm where is 2.4.27 patch for that intel sata controller but with grsec?? |
| 16:16.19 | Bombo | orchid: hm no always getting unstable |
| 16:16.20 | Guerin | gahan: wtf? |
| 16:16.43 | Guerin | Bombo: man sources.list |
| 16:17.03 | orchid | Bombo: /etc/apt/preferences |
| 16:17.10 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 16:17.17 | Guerin | man apt_preferences too |
| 16:17.22 | Bombo | orchid: hmkay |
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| 16:17.33 | orchid | Pin: release a=unstable |
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| 16:17.55 | Guerin | orchid: don't |
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| 16:18.15 | Guerin | if you can't figure out how to run unstable on your own, you're not qualified to iuse it |
| 16:18.28 | Guerin | it's not hard, but it's not reliable, either. |
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| 16:19.23 | orchid | Guerin: there is no required qualifaction to run debian, any flavor |
| 16:19.35 | orchid | its his computer after all |
| 16:19.43 | Guerin | orchid: let him figure it out, then. |
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| 16:20.07 | nvz | orchid: there is however an obligation to not give bad advice here. That will lead whiners back in here demanding help when you arent around |
| 16:20.11 | Guerin | orchid: there IS a required qualification to request and expect help with Sid in here - and that's that you're not a blithering clueless moron. |
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| 16:20.29 | Guerin | orchid: the test for that is if they managed to figure it out on their own. |
| 16:20.33 | nvz | as they say, you have the right to remail silent... |
| 16:20.35 | Gnea | hrm |
| 16:20.41 | directhex|work | how does one blither, exactly? |
| 16:20.42 | nvz | s/remail/remain/ |
| 16:20.46 | _gentgeen_ | Can anyone tell me how to get just one file from a .deb, without having to install the enter thing. I just wroteover my "clampipe" and I dont' want to reinstall clamav |
| 16:20.49 | orchid | Guerin: nvz I was not aware of these rules |
| 16:20.57 | Gnea | ok, why does 2.6.10 suck so much ass? lsusb isn't returning anything |
| 16:21.00 | Guerin | !sid evangelism |
| 16:21.01 | directhex|work | _gentgeen_, you can extract it with ar |
| 16:21.01 | dpkg | methinks sid evangelism is Sure, run Sid all you like - do as you please - just don't advise inexperienced users to run unstable as their main debian install. If you do, you get to help them exclusively, and #debian gets to curse your name for ever more. |
| 16:21.16 | Guerin | directhex|work: it's hard to explain over irc |
| 16:21.17 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: Speaking a language you don't understand is probably a good way. |
| 16:21.21 | Gnea | and /proc/bus/usb/ is empty - what gives? |
| 16:21.32 | Guerin | directhex|work: hang around, and I'll try to point out a blitherer to you... |
| 16:21.36 | ricky_clarkson | !dict blither |
| 16:21.39 | dpkg | Dictionary 'blither' to talk foolishly; "The two women babbled and crooned at the baby" |
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| 16:22.16 | _gentgeen_ | directhex|work, thanks -- I am looking at the man page now |
| 16:22.16 | nvz | orchid: its common sense. you give the best advice you can, in the interest of everyone involved.. that everyone is over some 40,000 users that come through here a year. |
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| 16:22.43 | orchid | nvz: ok |
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| 16:22.54 | bbhill | nvz: You never sleep do you? |
| 16:23.25 | nvz | bbhill: unfortunatly I do. Its more of a weakness than anything as far as I am concerned |
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| 16:23.57 | nvz | bbhill: its 10:22AM in Dallas, there's not much reason to be asleep |
| 16:23.58 | ToMMY2ooo | sleep is literally a waste of your life, required by your body and brain to function correctly |
| 16:24.06 | chealer | Gnea: go report that in #debian-kernel, dilinger complained about usb in 2.6.10 too less than an hour ago |
| 16:24.11 | petemc | Guerin: lee "scratch" perry? |
| 16:24.16 | bbhill | Luke Perry? |
| 16:24.18 | Guerin | petemc: the one and only |
| 16:24.20 | petemc | cool :) |
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| 16:24.29 | Bombo | orchid: didn't work with "Pin: release a=stable" |
| 16:24.42 | Bombo | orchid: didnt change anythinig |
| 16:24.47 | Guerin | Bombo: did you read man apt_preferences and man sources.list yet? |
| 16:24.56 | Bombo | Guerin: yes |
| 16:25.00 | Gnea | chealer: cheers |
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| 16:25.10 | Guerin | Bombo: then you know how to solve your problems :) |
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| 16:25.33 | Bombo | Guerin: reading != understanding ;) |
| 16:25.37 | snail | is there a way to retieve the list of module names on a cvs server? |
| 16:25.49 | nvz | ToMMY2ooo: I dont believe your body requires it at all. I have been loosly studying it for nearly 6 years, I can find no bodily replenishing that takes place that doesnt happen walking down the street or sitting on IRC. Its a mental garbage collecting, that unemotionally sorts out your thoughts to avoid a nervous mental breakdown as near as I can tell |
| 16:25.59 | Guerin | Bombo: indeed. Let's start small: why do you need a pinned system? |
| 16:26.00 | orchid | Bombo: google pinning, feel lucky |
| 16:26.19 | Guerin | because 99.9% of debian users don't |
| 16:26.25 | asg | snail: cvs co -c |
| 16:26.26 | ToMMY2ooo | nvz: nice description :) |
| 16:26.31 | Guerin | and most of the other 0.1% are in here |
| 16:27.04 | directhex|work | apt.conf > apt_preferences |
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| 16:27.24 | Bombo | Guerin: because i'm running stable, and have stable, unstable and testing in my sources.list ok? |
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| 16:27.39 | Bombo | guering: apt-get install irssi-text is installing the stable one |
| 16:27.41 | asg | nvz: though you do acquire a lot of 'mental garbage' on irc ;) |
| 16:27.43 | greycat | !bobbitt |
| 16:27.43 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 16:27.45 | snail | ash: thanks |
| 16:27.47 | m0rbid | where can I go for TV Card help? |
| 16:27.55 | m0rbid | (in debian) |
| 16:27.56 | Bombo | Guerin: and apt-get source irssi-text is not |
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| 16:28.21 | nvz | ToMMY2ooo: I think its both an inherant weakness of how we interpret things, as well as how we live.. I dont believe that people are even designed to stay awake as long as we do, has a lot to do with it. |
| 16:28.42 | directhex|work | Bombo, edit your sources.list, make sure your deb and deb-src lines both use the same type of mirror (e.g. sarge and sarge, not woody and sid), then apt-get update |
| 16:28.49 | _gentgeen_ | directhex|work, Just wanted to say thanks -- got it and that was easy |
| 16:28.50 | _gentgeen_ | :-) |
| 16:28.52 | m0rbid | I got my TV Card working with XawTV and Discover1 found it and installed the modules, but then in alsaconf, it only shows my TV Card, and theres no sound still. |
| 16:29.01 | nvz | asg: well not me, the stuff that frustrates and makes one tired, I dont attach here. I am completly calm and unemotional here. It brings me no stress at all most of the time |
| 16:29.03 | m0rbid | erk, alsamixer |
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| 16:29.10 | directhex|work | _gentgeen_, it was? whatever it was, no problem |
| 16:29.20 | Guerin | Bombo: remove the unstable source line from your sources.list |
| 16:29.22 | directhex|work | _gentgeen_, feel free to tell ars technica about your pain getting suport here |
| 16:29.23 | nvz | asg: if only I could do the same everywhere else. |
| 16:29.36 | _gentgeen_ | (ar to get out clampipe :-) |
| 16:29.48 | Bombo | directhex|work: yes thats a good hint, but i already checked that one ;/ |
| 16:30.02 | simplex3 | I'm trying to install woody but I have a dpt i2o pm154u3 hardware raid controller. I noticed during the install that I can use a driver disk, but I can't: A) Find the disk, B) Find directions to make my own. Any ideas? |
| 16:30.29 | Bombo | Guerin: yes, i just wondered if there is another way, ok? |
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| 16:30.35 | greycat | simplex3: realistically, you're better off making a custom rescue (install) CD with a kernel that supports it. |
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| 16:30.40 | _gentgeen_ | I got to say, when I first moved to Debian about a yr. ago I was nervous, all the "stereotype" stuff -- but help has NEVER been a problem for me |
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| 16:30.45 | greycat | !roll your own ISO |
| 16:30.45 | dpkg | i guess roll your own iso is http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 16:30.45 | sjohnson | I'm confused... I just installed Debian for the first time, and I'm trying to set up Synaptic to get packages from somewhere besides the CD's... but I can't figure out what repository to use... can anybody help me? |
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| 16:30.48 | barbisx | hi |
| 16:30.57 | _gentgeen_ | I will be staying with debian for a LONG time |
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| 16:31.12 | greycat | sjohnson: just run "apt-setup" |
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| 16:31.17 | Bombo | Guerin: its probably a bug in apt-get. when using source it doesnt read the apt.conf |
| 16:31.24 | Bombo | (or something...) |
| 16:31.33 | citral | sjohnson: then http, pick up a mirror near of you |
| 16:31.35 | sjohnson | apt-setup doesn't work... no command or filename |
| 16:31.36 | Guerin | Bombo: I sincerely doubt that. |
| 16:31.52 | Guerin | sjohnson: be root. |
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| 16:31.55 | smj | Is there a way to get dpkg to check the md5sums on package files? |
| 16:31.56 | greycat | sjohnson: GAH! Yet another broken net install or something... |
| 16:32.01 | petemc | smj: debsums |
| 16:32.01 | Guerin | Bombo: whay makes you think this? |
| 16:32.11 | smj | petemc: Thanks, I couldn't remember how. |
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| 16:32.28 | greycat | sjohnson: echo deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:32.32 | sjohnson | ah... thanks |
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| 16:32.39 | greycat | !smite broken woody net installers |
| 16:32.46 | sjohnson | apt-setup worked... I should have known to be root |
| 16:32.52 | greycat | or.. that. |
| 16:33.21 | asg | nvz: true |
| 16:33.22 | Bombo | Guerin: install installs stable, source installs unstable |
| 16:33.22 | thingfish | I sent a page to one of my printers, however it turned out to be out of ink and so the printer went into standby mode. The document is still trying to print to that printer, however, and I can't cancel it through the printer interface's gui. How can I purge the pending print job or otherwise get out of this? |
| 16:33.36 | Guerin | Bombo: FIX YOUR DAMN SOURCES |
| 16:33.53 | citral | thingfish: lprm job |
| 16:34.11 | Bombo | Guerin: MY FSCKING SOURCES ARE CORRECT! |
| 16:34.15 | thingfish | thanks, citral |
| 16:34.24 | DerJamster | Bombo: paste the source.list on a nopaste site? |
| 16:34.45 | orchid | Bombo: did you update after editing your sources? |
| 16:35.01 | greycat | Bombo: to avoid confusion, you should speak of "deb-src" lines when you mean the lines that "apt-get source" uses. |
| 16:35.02 | Bombo | orchid: of course. |
| 16:35.19 | nvz | asg: saying that made me realize the role time plays on all that. my ability to take my time here, allows me to adjust better. Seems at our development stage the only chance of evolution now is the desire to change |
| 16:35.23 | Guerin | Bombo: I don't believe you. Put your sources.list, preferences, apt.conf file and the output of apt-cache policy up someplace |
| 16:35.38 | Bombo | greycat: yes, there are deb-src lines for stable, unstable and testing. |
| 16:35.40 | directhex|work | Bombo, you cannot physically get unstable source code from apt if it doesn't have somewhere configured to get it from |
| 16:35.48 | greycat | It sounds like he has woody "deb" lines and woody/sarge/sid "deb-src" lines, but he's too lazy to type "apt-get source nethack/woody" |
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| 16:36.59 | grigora | can someone explain to me why binaries from the same package result in different MD5 checksums? thanks |
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| 16:37.02 | asac | Hi, just tried to install debian on a new dell machine. used installer rc2. after base install (on reboot), the boot process stops. the only error I see is 'en_US no such command'. Any idea what's wrong? |
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| 16:37.50 | directhex|work | asac, try #debian-boot, they're ore clued up on installerish things |
| 16:37.50 | voda | i want to use dhcp, so i read a faq: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage#head-3310dfd728ed14ad9a1ce913b67b5893ffd0c13d , but the dir network doesn't excist. Where can I find it? |
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| 16:37.51 | asac | directhex|work: thx |
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| 16:37.57 | valdyn | voda: /etc/network |
| 16:37.58 | greycat | voda: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:38.02 | citral | I never saw a debian install without /etc/network/ |
| 16:38.09 | greycat | citral: I have.... long ago. |
| 16:38.25 | amand | hello, its better to create an user for the apache document root? at the moment on my woody /var/www is owned by root, its not a bad idea this? |
| 16:38.45 | DerJamster | very. bad. idea. |
| 16:38.47 | citral | before potatoe? I'm too uong for this kind of things :) |
| 16:38.48 | DerJamster | Do not use root. |
| 16:38.52 | voda | ok thx |
| 16:38.54 | greycat | amand: root is fine for owning the files. |
| 16:38.57 | greycat | DerJamster: huh? |
| 16:38.59 | Guerin | Bombo: so your sources.list is fucked, and you haven't pinned it properly. |
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| 16:39.05 | Guerin | Bombo: JUST LIKE I SAID |
| 16:39.17 | Guerin | now go and read those fucking manpages again |
| 16:39.27 | Bombo | greycat: he has woody/sarge/sid deb AND deb-src lines. and he HAS tried apt-get "source irssi-text/stable" |
| 16:39.32 | DerJamster | greycat: should be owned by the same user that apache runs as. |
| 16:39.46 | greycat | Bombo: don't ever mix woody and sarge/sid "deb" lines. |
| 16:39.51 | greycat | Bombo: they're too far diverged now. |
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| 16:40.06 | greycat | DerJamster: no, it should not. |
| 16:40.14 | ant_o | hey guys |
| 16:40.20 | DerJamster | greycat: I'd not use root-owned CGI scripts :) |
| 16:40.38 | greycat | DerJamster: that, in fact, would be the WORST thing you could do, because then an apache exploit is guaranteed to be able to overwrite the web pages, and/or alter .htaccess files |
| 16:40.49 | caphuso | DerJamster: i'd not use CGI scripts that the web server can overwrite itself |
| 16:40.51 | voda | it doesnt excist in etc |
| 16:41.00 | greycat | voda: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:41.01 | DerJamster | Hmh..good point. |
| 16:41.04 | ant_o | if i have a device (Say one of those lnksys router) and i want to find out its ip (say i got it from a yard sale) and i can turn it on and connect to the network, what should i use? listen for ARP broadcasts? |
| 16:41.17 | Bombo | greycat: ok it was just to see if it works... and until now i didnt get into any trouble |
| 16:41.18 | voda | hm ok |
| 16:41.27 | DerJamster | Although I admit I understood it that way first that he's actually running apache -as- root and went on to the dirs ;) |
| 16:41.35 | asg | ant_o: just hit the reset button, it should then default to 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:41.38 | pipeline | ant_o: Try 192.168.1.1, then 192.168.1.2. Then try 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.2.2 |
| 16:41.47 | greycat | DerJamster: running it as root would indeed be very bad. |
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| 16:42.06 | pipeline | ant_o: Some of the linksys wireless garbage is foo.bar.baz.2 because their wired crap is foo.bar.baz.1 |
| 16:42.09 | ant_o | guys: no no, what i want to do is find the ip, not reset the thing |
| 16:42.24 | amand | DerJamster: no, i run apache as www-data |
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| 16:42.42 | ant_o | pipeline: any idea on the arp thing? |
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| 16:42.46 | greycat | ant_o: trial and error? |
| 16:42.55 | citral | ant_o: it's likely to have a small http server, so open a browser on 192.168.0.1 to see |
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| 16:43.04 | ircdevil | *grumble* |
| 16:43.06 | greycat | maybe ping some broadcast IPs and see if it answers? |
| 16:43.12 | ircdevil | !lart pfam searches that takes forever |
| 16:43.18 | petemc | nmap -sP 192.168.0.1/24 |
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| 16:43.28 | petemc | arp -a |
| 16:43.47 | m0rbid | I wonder of anyone is aware that the 1.44/bf24/driver5 floppy is not on the server. |
| 16:43.50 | amand | DerJamster: my question was just about the document root, because i read on some paper its better to create a separate user instead of use /var/www owned by root |
| 16:43.58 | m0rbid | its been saying not found for days now. |
| 16:44.10 | greycat | amand: that sounds like faulty reasoning. |
| 16:44.11 | ant_o | ok, the long story is - i have a dysfunctional wrt54g, probably from a bad flash. Yeah, its default ip is supposed to be 192.168.1.1. But, I cannot access it until I relfash the firmware. And I can reflash the thing with TFTP, which I need to know its ip first before I can tftp to it. |
| 16:44.37 | petemc | ant_o: i thought the wrt54g defaulted to .5 or .7? |
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| 16:44.41 | m0rbid | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-appendix.en.html#s-driver-images <<--- from there. |
| 16:44.43 | valdyn | ant_o: broadcast ping doesnt work? |
| 16:45.08 | joan | NEVER BELEIVE WHAT U READ IN THE PAPER THERE FULL OF CRAP |
| 16:45.18 | ant_o | valdyn: broadcast to what? I'm not even sure if it's in 192.168.x.x |
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| 16:45.25 | m0rbid | so I really cant enlarge my penis? |
| 16:45.26 | citral | big caps are crap, too |
| 16:45.28 | m0rbid | that sucks |
| 16:45.41 | WiFiTux | hahaha |
| 16:45.44 | ant_o | valdyn: the previous owner might've set it to public ip or other ip segments for all i know |
| 16:45.54 | ircdevil | joan: the onion ? no way ! |
| 16:46.21 | WiFiTux | m0rbid, I spent like $400 getting it from 1" to 3", I still can't get it longer :/ lol |
| 16:46.29 | asg | ant_o: why do you need the original ip it had? |
| 16:46.30 | amand | greycat: i dont know, i've just read this paper on cgisecurity.com :) |
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| 16:46.59 | EdibleTe2t | ant_o, fire up tcpdump then power cycle the device.. you should get an idea what its IP is |
| 16:47.06 | valdyn | ant_o: well, my router _does_ reply to ping 255.255.255.255, so you might at least want to try |
| 16:47.11 | joan | LIKE I SAID FULL OF IMAGINATION |
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| 16:47.24 | jethro | amand: no write access to documentroot for the user running apache is one of the basis in web security |
| 16:47.31 | DerJamster | greycat: using another extra user as owner of /var/ww would solve both problems, though..the user running apache won't be able to change the content, and the scripts would not be root owned |
| 16:47.35 | citral | someone's capslock is b0rked |
| 16:47.37 | asg | joan: thanks for the important saftey tip |
| 16:47.58 | joan | ANYTIME SEEYA |
| 16:48.03 | amand | jethro: yes i know, they suggest to create a new user |
| 16:48.06 | greycat | DerJamster: the standard practice is to make a "web monkey" group, make /var/www 775, and put all the web monkeys in the group. |
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| 16:48.11 | ant_o | EdibleTe2t & valdyn: don't you have to be in the same subnet for that to work? |
| 16:48.13 | m0rbid | hmmm, TV Card in, sound dun work, TV Card out, sound works. WTF!!! |
| 16:48.15 | greycat | DerJamster: and if you can arrange to make their umask 002, even better. |
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| 16:48.40 | greycat | DerJamster: the other standard practice is to do that with a separate group for each virtual domain you host. |
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| 16:48.44 | amand | jethro: smth like /home/web insted of /var/www |
| 16:48.55 | valdyn | ant_o: only physically, unless your router as also some weird routing table, i doubt that |
| 16:49.03 | nvz | I still havent figured out why eating before I go to bed makes me feel hungry in the morning.. that one really confuses me. Must strech my stomach out or something =P I ate one pretzel and two animal crackers and it went away. |
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| 16:49.08 | DerJamster | *ponders* |
| 16:49.33 | m0rbid | is there a way to mount a network filesystem during install to grab driver tarball? |
| 16:49.41 | Guerin | some webapps require apache write access |
| 16:49.45 | citral | nvz: eating before sleeping is not healthy anyway |
| 16:49.50 | Guerin | squirrelmail, fx |
| 16:50.00 | EdibleTe2t | ant_o, I have successfully determined the IP/network ids of devices which i was not supplied information and did not want to simply reset to factory defaults, using tcpdump |
| 16:50.12 | thingfish | now I want some animal crackers. |
| 16:50.15 | nvz | citral: yeah I know that much. but I do it sometimes.. I ate two big Beef Franks late last night.. woke up feeling hungry |
| 16:50.23 | citral | best way to get fat |
| 16:50.27 | m0rbid | uhmm, I just slapped myself for asking that.. |
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| 16:50.38 | m0rbid | no drivers, no NIC |
| 16:51.13 | citral | flip flap makes the floppy |
| 16:51.17 | ant_o | valdyn: so, with my machine set to any ip, and ping -b 255.255.255.255 ? |
| 16:51.37 | ant_o | EdibleTe2t: ok, i'll try that |
| 16:51.56 | valdyn | ant_o: i dont know -p, just ping 255.255.255.255 |
| 16:52.03 | greycat | citral: has it flup yet? |
| 16:52.15 | nvz | I need to wash my pillow cases, either I started drooling or the humidity around here just makes em feel gross |
| 16:52.17 | EdibleTe2t | ant_o, once the device cycles it should produce lots of noise on the wire |
| 16:52.20 | valdyn | ant_o: you own box should reply then, and that router might |
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| 16:52.32 | m0rbid | The requested URL /debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/driver-5.bin was not found on this server. |
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| 16:52.41 | m0rbid | I need this dang file. |
| 16:52.43 | amand | greycat: http://www.cgisecurity.com/lib/ryan_barnett_gcux_practical.html#create%20user |
| 16:52.43 | valdyn | anton: err, i dont know "-b" |
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| 16:52.53 | amand | greycat: ok, i mean this |
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| 16:53.03 | doat | hi |
| 16:53.09 | doat | i need some help installing debian |
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| 16:53.28 | greycat | !tell doat about d-i |
| 16:53.29 | loada77 | is someone familar with pam_mount? |
| 16:53.39 | m0rbid | doat: cd in, follow directions. |
| 16:53.42 | m0rbid | =) |
| 16:53.44 | thingfish | nvz: it must be nice to have humidity this time of year. Here in the middle of the USA, it's been cold, so we've been running the furnace a lot, which sucks the humidity right out of the air. |
| 16:53.45 | mornfall | ahem... sochoa is a bot or a person? |
| 16:53.49 | hmakholm | doat: Any particular problem? |
| 16:54.05 | Lee__ | doat: installing testing, stable or unstable? |
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| 16:54.07 | citral | greycat: these things are incredibly robust, even if it makes strange noises I can format it and use it. Flip, flap. |
| 16:54.11 | m0rbid | anyone got a TV Card working?? |
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| 16:54.21 | citral | no. |
| 16:54.22 | greycat | amand: uh... that create%20user didn't jump to the right part of this 186 page document :/ |
| 16:54.24 | neenee | pancakes done. food. |
| 16:54.26 | loada77 | m0rbid: what card do you have? |
| 16:54.33 | Lee__ | m0rbid: Pinnacle PCTV works on my system. |
| 16:54.38 | rydogg | During Netinst i am recieving error check disk integrity "can't insmod -v orinoco_pci" card is dlink-520 revision e |
| 16:54.42 | doat | it seems to freeze in "installing drivers" |
| 16:54.47 | nvz | thingfish: yeah, well the humidity doesnt ever seem to drop in Texas |
| 16:54.51 | m0rbid | Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
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| 16:54.59 | greycat | amand: and it mentions *Solaris*. *shudder* |
| 16:55.02 | doat | even though cd drive light is blinking its been doing it for almost an hour |
| 16:55.09 | chealer | doat: you're installing sarge or waht? |
| 16:55.10 | amand | greycat: doh :( its the section "create a specific user for the web server" |
| 16:55.11 | xnor | when i start X i get "Error no core pointer" when i plug/replug my mouse i get "input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1" how to fix? :) |
| 16:55.15 | nvz | something isnt right about the water here too.. I dont know what it is, I dont have a chem lab handy |
| 16:55.16 | Lee__ | m0rbid: that's the one. it should load the v4l driver and give you a /dev/video0 device |
| 16:55.16 | thingfish | nvz: I thought it was dry down there all the time. Maybe that would be more inland and west. |
| 16:55.23 | greycat | amand: are you going to take advice from people who put white space in their <a> tags and administer solaris boxes? ;-) |
| 16:55.26 | doat | chealer: umm no |
| 16:55.28 | amand | greycat: yes i know, but its not quite the same? :) |
| 16:55.36 | nvz | thingfish: I can piss into Lake Dallas from here |
| 16:55.38 | amand | greycat: :P |
| 16:55.44 | thingfish | nvz: oh, ok. |
| 16:55.53 | doat | chealer: i downloaded "woody" netinst cd image |
| 16:56.03 | m0rbid | Lee__: it loads the bttv module, and I get picture, just no sound, and when I open alsamixer, the sound card options are all gone, all thats there is capture, and does nothing. |
| 16:56.04 | greycat | directhex|work: mostly they just need rebooting every few months. |
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| 16:56.10 | directhex|work | doat, hardware made after july 2002? |
| 16:56.24 | doat | chealer: i downloaded "woody" netinst cd image |
| 16:56.25 | chealer | doat: ok, then the d-i stuff doesn't concern you |
| 16:56.26 | ant_o | EdibleTe2t: tcpdump -vv? i don't see much noise from it as is |
| 16:56.27 | citral | m0rbid: run alsaconf then |
| 16:56.28 | Lee__ | m0rbid: you mean the sound on the capture card? |
| 16:56.30 | nvz | Lake lewisville, whatever its called.. the town is called Lake Dallas.. its a little one-horse town |
| 16:56.44 | ant_o | EdibleTe2t: i've also tried with other device that i unplug\replug |
| 16:56.44 | Delph | win 10 |
| 16:56.44 | ant_o | valdyn: ok |
| 16:56.44 | thingfish | I live in a suburb of Kansas City |
| 16:56.53 | thingfish | rural suburb |
| 16:56.56 | m0rbid | Lee__: Theres no sound at all now. |
| 16:57.07 | thingfish | cool! |
| 16:57.21 | Lee__ | m0rbid: cause I haven't touched that on mine. I just do it ghetto stylee with an analog cable going out of the tuner and into the on board sound card. |
| 16:57.22 | doat | ok.. now it gave message "there was an error installing drivers from: <insert too long path>" |
| 16:57.22 | loada77 | m0rbid: http://librenix.com/?inode=459 |
| 16:57.23 | nvz | actually thats wrong.. there are at least 2 horses across the street, and the people across the street from them seem to have 2 or more horses as well |
| 16:57.31 | EdibleTe2t | thingfish, bonner springs? |
| 16:57.39 | asg | thingfish: was engaged (not anymore) to the dept police chief's daughter at the time so I might not be going back anytime soon ;) |
| 16:57.42 | thingfish | EdibleTe2t: no, Raymore. |
| 16:57.53 | thingfish | asg: lol |
| 16:58.03 | doat | im downloading the d-i now |
| 16:58.15 | ant_o | valdyn: hrm, network is unreachable |
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| 16:58.17 | m0rbid | Lee__: sounds good to me, Im gunna run alsaconf again and see what it finds, and also Ill check the page loada77 sent me too |
| 16:58.22 | nvz | Thats what I need a horse.. I can ride me a horse around like a Texas cowboy |
| 16:58.30 | citral | !lart this bloody industrial switch for beeing so fucking loud |
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| 16:58.40 | rydogg | haha |
| 16:59.05 | citral | I have a boeing in my bedroom |
| 16:59.07 | Guerin | when the only tool you have is a laser pistol, every problem looks like a commie mutant traitor |
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| 16:59.11 | EdibleTe2t | nvz, you need a pickup to put your horse in, so if you breakdown or get drunk the horse can take you home. |
| 16:59.12 | valdyn | ant_o: looks to me like your own network interface isnt set up |
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| 16:59.44 | ant_o | valdyn: not sure what's wrong.. it's working ok |
| 16:59.51 | nvz | EdibleTe2t: well I don't think a horse can really fit in a pickup, or that I would be drunk out in dallas anywhere. |
| 17:00.11 | joan | IVE GOT THE MESSAGE ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT |
| 17:00.11 | nvz | I wouldnt be in dallas unless I was sober, and armed |
| 17:00.19 | citral | if I set up netmask to 255.255.255.224 instead of 255, do I have to change the broadcast too? |
| 17:00.19 | doat | how big swap partition should i make? i have 256mb ram and 40gb hard disk |
| 17:00.20 | asg | someone kick the moron |
| 17:00.21 | c4_ | i have this machine conected ppp0 to internet, what rules should i add to iptables to let the other machine conected to eth0 going out to internet? |
| 17:00.22 | rydogg | horse+ truck and trailer |
| 17:00.26 | Kerr | can plesk run on debian ? |
| 17:00.31 | bbhill | nvz: try washington DC on for size! |
| 17:00.37 | greycat | Kerr: if you satisfy its requirements |
| 17:00.38 | pipeline | doat: 512M |
| 17:00.43 | doat | ok |
| 17:00.47 | joan | IVE GOT THEW MESSAGE ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT |
| 17:00.50 | asg | Kerr: apparently but they seem to think sarge was released in December so you might want to watch out. |
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| 17:01.15 | Guerin | !tranquilise joan |
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| 17:01.39 | Kerr | kvn: asg Some guy said he'd move to debian if plesk worked on it. he was ripping his hair out trying to satisy dependancies.. l laughed and linked him to apt-rpm O.o |
| 17:01.39 | pipeline | citral: Yes. |
| 17:01.43 | Kerr | err |
| 17:01.45 | Kerr | asg^ |
| 17:02.08 | Kerr | !emh |
| 17:02.16 | Kerr | !ops |
| 17:02.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ops is please use ops <problem> so the ops know why you have summoned them |
| 17:02.18 | asg | Kerr: well, it's a web management tool (like webmin but looks like XP for some odd-ass reason) so we don't recommend anyone use it. |
| 17:02.19 | pipeline | citral: Or rather |
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| 17:02.32 | chealer | doat: d-i should propose you something anyway |
| 17:02.35 | pipeline | citral: It should figure out the broadcast and change it on its own. |
| 17:02.38 | EdibleTe2t | nvz, they do. Watched an old cowboy do it in MT. it was his secondary tranportation. IT used to wait patiantly in the truck while its owner would get soused in the toston bar |
| 17:02.41 | asg | Kerr: that said, they do provide debs but ymmv. |
| 17:02.41 | Kerr | asg: i'd never heard of it O.o |
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| 17:02.55 | Kerr | asg: what is the license like? |
| 17:03.00 | citral | pipeline: the router yes, but my fixed /etc/network/interfaces not... |
| 17:03.01 | asg | Kerr: there was a slew of people asking about it last month; it seems to have subsided. |
| 17:03.04 | Bu5H | is the flag to disable scsi support in the sarge installer -noscsi? |
| 17:03.04 | joan | GUERLIN NO OFFENCE YOUR A DICKHEAD GOOD BYE |
| 17:03.05 | Kerr | asg: i didn't see any plesk in my cache |
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| 17:03.06 | asg | Kerr: proprietary iirc |
| 17:03.11 | asg | Kerr: you have to pay for it |
| 17:03.13 | Guerin | good bye indeed |
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| 17:03.16 | c4_ | what lines do i need in iptables to share the ppp0 on this machin with another connected to eth0? |
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| 17:03.21 | Kerr | ewww.. pay... for software? |
| 17:03.23 | Kerr | funny people |
| 17:03.30 | thingfish | well, isn't this nice, we're having our first thunderstorm of spring. Except that it's just a month into winter. |
| 17:03.36 | asg | Kerr: don't mind paying for software as long as I can tweak the code if I need to. |
| 17:03.42 | pipeline | Kerr: ewww.. use... web administration software? funny people |
| 17:03.44 | nvz | EdibleTe2t: oh well, I prefer to keep a clear head. Nothing interests me about imparing my perception |
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| 17:03.54 | asg | thingfish: hehe, it's been in the mid 70s in NC for 2 weeks now |
| 17:03.58 | pipeline | nvz: You're no fun. |
| 17:03.59 | thingfish | wow |
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| 17:04.23 | asg | thingfish: yeah, cats are running around crazy |
| 17:04.38 | thingfish | asg: I bet. |
| 17:05.14 | nvz | I drink in good company. and I don't hardly know anyone I'd consider good company around here. |
| 17:05.25 | thingfish | aww |
| 17:05.36 | stew | !beer nvz |
| 17:05.37 | EdibleTe2t | !beer nvz |
| 17:05.53 | nvz | I've sat in the local bar and had a drink once since I been here, like 2 days after my 21st birthday. but it was less than thrilling |
| 17:06.16 | bbhill | Boddington's is a low quality pub ale that comes in a large yellow can |
| 17:06.28 | thingfish | nothing beats a nice drink in the comfort of one's own home. |
| 17:06.30 | bbhill | It's pretty unimpressive. |
| 17:06.34 | citral | mmm ipcalc is handy |
| 17:06.40 | thingfish | bbhill: oh, ok. |
| 17:06.58 | thingfish | I like ales, but not low quality ones. |
| 17:07.00 | bbhill | You can get it at any nicer grocery usually |
| 17:07.04 | bbhill | it comes in a 4 pack |
| 17:07.06 | petemc | guinness is the one true drink |
| 17:07.09 | thingfish | ok |
| 17:07.18 | thingfish | aack, guinness is just too much for me. |
| 17:07.27 | stew | too much what? |
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| 17:07.30 | bbhill | I like guinness for drinking to enjoy, but i cannot drink it to get drunk. |
| 17:07.32 | thingfish | I can do a mild porter, but... |
| 17:07.32 | bbhill | It's too heavy |
| 17:07.39 | petemc | pfft :) |
| 17:07.41 | bbhill | Also way bad for your gut if you watch that sort of thing. |
| 17:07.49 | thingfish | oh you got that right |
| 17:07.53 | pipeline | Guiness is actually among the lowest-calorie beers. |
| 17:07.59 | bbhill | pipeline: thats a crock man |
| 17:08.00 | petemc | +nm |
| 17:08.01 | bbhill | SHow me some data |
| 17:08.02 | petemc | bah |
| 17:08.02 | EdibleTe2t | guiness is 3% pastuerized sour beer. |
| 17:08.14 | EdibleTe2t | it adds that special tang |
| 17:08.18 | bbhill | It's as thick as motor oil. No way its less calories than busch light |
| 17:08.37 | nvz | I usually don't drink beer anyhow, when we party I always manage to sweep everyone off their feet. I mix the alcohol with more alcohol, the other ingredients just sit in the bar for looks, after the first sip, they dont realize you left anything out anyhow |
| 17:08.40 | thingfish | but there are also probably a lot of bioflavonoids and antioxidants in it too. |
| 17:08.40 | bbhill | To find GOOD beers.. www.beeradvocate.com |
| 17:08.43 | petemc | well, i drink it all the time and im pretty skinny |
| 17:08.49 | bbhill | That site has everything beer related |
| 17:08.52 | asg | bbhill: nah, Sheaf's Stout is motor oil |
| 17:08.55 | pipeline | bbhill: It's like half as much, IIRC. |
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| 17:09.06 | bbhill | pipeline: why do i feel bloated after drinking 2? |
| 17:09.48 | petemc | bbhill: lightweight ;) |
| 17:09.52 | pipeline | bbhill: That's a subjective thing. Probably because it's barely alcoholic. |
| 17:09.52 | bbhill | LOL |
| 17:09.54 | bbhill | Yeah RIGHT |
| 17:10.01 | thingfish | bbhill: it would depend on what you're drinking, I would think. |
| 17:10.05 | bbhill | me a lightweight? haha |
| 17:10.12 | m0rbid | woah |
| 17:10.13 | thingfish | bbhill: maybe a white wine would be better for you. |
| 17:10.21 | petemc | wine spritzer |
| 17:10.22 | bbhill | thingfish: I actually enjoy white wine |
| 17:10.24 | thingfish | no |
| 17:10.26 | m0rbid | Lee__: Ghetto is the way to go!! |
| 17:10.30 | m0rbid | it works now |
| 17:10.32 | thingfish | not a wine spritzer |
| 17:10.32 | m0rbid | =) |
| 17:10.33 | EdibleTe2t | bbhill, or some grain and fresh OJ |
| 17:10.39 | bbhill | I'm a chef though, so I have specific tastes |
| 17:10.47 | thingfish | bbhill: there are some fantastic whites out there. |
| 17:10.48 | pipeline | Wine is cheaper than water at my local grocery. |
| 17:10.58 | pipeline | I consider 4$ for 1.5L "fantastic" |
| 17:11.10 | Lee__ | m0rbid: it's working? |
| 17:11.14 | Lee__ | sweet |
| 17:11.29 | thingfish | ooh, a chef, totally cool. |
| 17:11.34 | m0rbid | Lee__: yah, just gottah find me a stereo patch cord, using a mono one now =/ |
| 17:11.49 | nvz | I never did understand the contest of getting shitfaced.. to me its like, sure Bruno, drink yourself stupid, while your in there kissing the porcelain, I'll be out here dancin on your old lady |
| 17:12.06 | thingfish | If I were to win the lottery, one thing I'd do is put myself through cooking school. |
| 17:12.17 | bbhill | ha! its a hoot |
| 17:12.23 | bbhill | I went to culinary school up in NYC.. It was wild. |
| 17:12.24 | thingfish | either CIA or somewhere in France, then somewhere in Italy. |
| 17:12.40 | asg | thingfish: if I won the lottery, I'd just hang out in restaurants |
| 17:12.53 | thingfish | asg: well, I'd probably do a lot of that, too. |
| 17:13.10 | asg | thingfish: well, I do a lot now but would hang out in more expensive ones ;) |
| 17:13.15 | thingfish | lol |
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| 17:13.49 | thingfish | yes, imagine what it would be like to be able to eat the best sushi every day, or the best french food, whatever. |
| 17:14.02 | asg | thingfish: actually, the just opened a Johnson and Wales school here in Charlotte |
| 17:14.24 | asg | s/the j/they j/ |
| 17:14.35 | thingfish | asg: I haven't heard of them, they pretty good? |
| 17:14.39 | Bu5H | whats the flag to disable scsi during the sarge install? |
| 17:14.47 | bbhill | Johnson and Wales is a good school |
| 17:14.49 | bbhill | Not the best but good |
| 17:14.55 | asg | thingfish: they had (have) one in Charlston, SC |
| 17:14.55 | bbhill | alot of people go there. |
| 17:15.00 | thingfish | ah |
| 17:15.00 | bbhill | Also one up in Rhode Island |
| 17:15.31 | asg | bbhill: well, this is a 2-bit pretentious town so ... ;) |
| 17:16.06 | EdibleTe2t | You need to find a master chef then kiss his ass until he lets you wash dishes or prep. |
| 17:16.06 | thingfish | we don't have very many good restaurants here in KC, too few people know good food when they see it around here. |
| 17:16.13 | bbhill | Yes, so now you all know. I can help you with food, you can help me with Linux |
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| 17:16.18 | pipeline | If I won the lottery, I would make prudent investments and get a regular 9 to 5 job like everyone else |
| 17:16.21 | asg | whoohoo! |
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| 17:16.26 | bbhill | EdibleTe2t: you've got that right! ass kiss is the name of the game |
| 17:16.31 | bbhill | And getting abused by master chefs too. |
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| 17:16.44 | Bombo | http://www.pastebin.com/228049 |
| 17:16.49 | EdibleTe2t | bbhill, theyre all tempermental |
| 17:16.53 | Bombo | i can't get it to work |
| 17:16.54 | bbhill | No shit! |
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| 17:17.01 | thingfish | cooking is a high-pressure job |
| 17:17.07 | nvz | If I'm calling anyone master, they had better know how to do more than cook =P |
| 17:17.08 | EdibleTe2t | word |
| 17:17.11 | bbhill | Ive been cut, burned, kicked, slapped, forced to sit in a garbage room full of stuff for a few hours |
| 17:17.16 | thingfish | damn |
| 17:17.17 | nvz | they better be wearing leather |
| 17:17.21 | bbhill | When your an apprentice they make you feel liek a child. |
| 17:17.33 | thingfish | sounds feudal |
| 17:17.39 | bbhill | Yeah it totally is. |
| 17:17.45 | bbhill | In the high end places atleast. |
| 17:17.45 | luctor | Is there any cd burn software tthat can convert mp32vaw and burn? |
| 17:17.56 | thingfish | wow intense |
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| 17:18.08 | EdibleTe2t | but i used to torment the owner/operator |
| 17:18.11 | Lee__ | sounds pretty retarded to me |
| 17:18.25 | bbhill | Lee__ Yeah it would sound that way to you, but if food is your passion you deal w/ it. |
| 17:18.30 | Lee__ | quality doesn't equal asshole |
| 17:18.39 | bbhill | Lee__ 90 percent of the time it does. |
| 17:18.47 | thingfish | yeah, I bet Paul Bocuse doesn't throw pans. |
| 17:18.51 | bbhill | Remember that alot of line cooks are drug addicts and miscreants who need to be kept in line. |
| 17:19.01 | thingfish | lol true |
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| 17:19.05 | Lee__ | yeah! drug addicts! |
| 17:19.17 | Bombo | Guerin: http://www.pastebin.com/228049 |
| 17:19.35 | bbhill | Any of you ever read kitchen confidential? |
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| 17:19.39 | thingfish | but seriously, that's one of the few jobs that doesn't drug test, so he's absolutely right. |
| 17:20.03 | bbhill | Im telling you from 100 percent experience its true. |
| 17:20.03 | Bombo | !dope |
| 17:20.03 | dpkg | methinks dope is ot u |
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| 17:20.03 | bbhill | If they arent hispanic, they are drug addicts or miscreants or criminals. |
| 17:20.04 | pipeline | That's extremely flawed reasoning, thingfish. Drug tests test for precisely one drug. |
| 17:20.08 | bbhill | And the hispanic guys bring their own sorts of problems. |
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| 17:20.46 | pipeline | I mean, you CAN test for other drugs, but unless you maintain a regular screening regimen, you won't get anyone for anything but cannabis. Other things simply don't have a long enough half-life. |
| 17:20.48 | EdibleTe2t | thingfish, its one of the few jobs that doesnt require citizenship |
| 17:20.55 | thingfish | I have worked in kitchens, I know what it's like. |
| 17:21.01 | bbhill | I've worked in places where people take lines of coke right off the prep tables.. Not trying to sound like a big shot, just telling you how it is. |
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| 17:21.16 | J_P | people, what is first script running in boot on debian ? |
| 17:21.27 | pipeline | Coke no doubt enhances job performance. |
| 17:21.28 | bbhill | coke is the big kitchen drug. Not too many potheads or anything. |
| 17:21.28 | thingfish | hey, we used to do pretty much the same, only with weed, back in my college cooking days. |
| 17:21.28 | luctor | how do I convert mp3 to vaw ? |
| 17:21.29 | J_P | becouse i need start devfs before all |
| 17:21.39 | pipeline | I wouldn't want to hang out with cokeheads who have meat-cutting knives, but hey. |
| 17:21.48 | asg | J_P: look for what runs first in /etc/rcS.d |
| 17:21.50 | nvz | a pothead would eat all the food |
| 17:21.54 | Lee__ | luctor: lame --decode file.wav |
| 17:21.57 | bbhill | pipeline: It dosent impair your judgement, infact you get more precise and like 10x more productive, but it's just not worth it. |
| 17:22.07 | bbhill | Fucks you up big time in the long run. |
| 17:22.11 | thingfish | yes |
| 17:22.22 | masf | where can i find debian packages???? |
| 17:22.23 | luctor | Lee__: thks |
| 17:22.29 | asg | masf: packages.debian.org |
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| 17:22.46 | Lee__ | packages.debian.org!!!!!!! |
| 17:22.54 | thingfish | plus you might accidentally lose a half a gram into someone's hollandaise. |
| 17:22.55 | pipeline | bbhill: That is why I first said it no doubt enhances their job performance. However, long-term cocaine users, like meth users, usually exhibit some, uh, unpleasant psychological problems. |
| 17:23.01 | masf | ok, thx |
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| 17:23.04 | EdibleTe2t | thingfish, heh |
| 17:23.05 | asg | thingfish: turbo-hollandaise |
| 17:23.21 | bbhill | hahaha hollandaise |
| 17:23.25 | bbhill | i make that constantly |
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| 17:23.27 | thingfish | "that was the best sauce I ever ate!" |
| 17:23.27 | neenee | back |
| 17:23.31 | pipeline | masf: You don't have to find them. |
| 17:23.37 | pipeline | masf: apt-get finds them and installs them for you. |
| 17:23.40 | bbhill | Best exericise for your forearm and wrist lol, its killer |
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| 17:23.57 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | yo, im with debian sarge, and i want to install this package: http://nl2.php.net/manual/en/ref.ssh2.php, how can i see if apt has it? or do i need to do it manually ? |
| 17:24.03 | thingfish | "I'm telling ALL my friends about this restaurant!" she says, as she busses her own table. |
| 17:24.04 | bbhill | 2 egg yolks, a splash of lemon, a splash of tobasco, 2 tbls hot water, and then 200ml clarified butter whisked in and youve got hollandaise! |
| 17:24.10 | asg | [Zakje]RvGaTe: apt-cache search <keywords> |
| 17:24.14 | greycat | [Zakje]RvGaTe: apt-cache search <keywords DAMN! |
| 17:24.27 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | thx asg and greycat :) |
| 17:24.27 | xnor | how do I get the mouse working in console? |
| 17:24.33 | greycat | xnor: install gpm |
| 17:24.36 | masf | pipeline, in my house don't have internet |
| 17:24.49 | nvz | xnor: gpm |
| 17:25.08 | nvz | xnor: you really dont need a mouse in console. or at all for that matter... for most things |
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| 17:25.18 | pipeline | masf: Ah. In that case, you may want to download all of the Debian CD's, which have all of the packages. You could then set up a local repository with all the software you could ever want :P |
| 17:25.20 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | asg, greycat, it didn't do anything... so i asume it cant find it |
| 17:25.39 | xnor | nvz: dont X use it? |
| 17:25.42 | greycat | [Zakje]RvGaTe: try simpler key words |
| 17:25.51 | bbhill | thingfish: try a bearnaise or a choron sometime, they are based on hollandaise and then souped up. |
| 17:25.51 | asg | [Zakje]RvGaTe: it likely hasn't been packaged. You can create your own deb by installing (and reading) the new maintainer guide (/msg dpkg maint guide) |
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| 17:26.02 | greycat | or you can install in /usr/local in the traditional way |
| 17:26.03 | nvz | xnor: you dont need console mouse services for X. |
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| 17:26.14 | masf | pipeline, the problem is that cd debian don't have current packages |
| 17:26.14 | thingfish | bbhill: yeah, darnit, I used to know some of that stuff... |
| 17:26.19 | asg | [Zakje]RvGaTe: err, s/maint guide/mg/ |
| 17:26.26 | nvz | xnor: you can set you X pointer to /dev/null and use Ion2 keyboard-driven if you wanted to. |
| 17:26.35 | pipeline | masf: Oh, I was talking about sarge. The sarge CD's are updated weekly. |
| 17:26.58 | thingfish | bbhill: my background/ancestry is largely sicilian-italian, so I do a lot of that kind of stuff at home. |
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| 17:27.02 | xnor | nvz: ill try that now it justs say "no core pointer" |
| 17:27.03 | bbhill | I work with french food specifically so im an ace on that stuff, but other cuisines im a bit weaker on. |
| 17:27.03 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | asg. ? |
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| 17:27.13 | jeaneid | join #gnome |
| 17:27.18 | asg | [Zakje]RvGaTe: /msg dpkg mg (our bot will give you instructions.) |
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| 17:27.23 | bbhill | thingfish: sicilian food!!! clam sauce |
| 17:27.28 | thingfish | yum |
| 17:27.28 | PerfDave | !test |
| 17:27.29 | dpkg | No, perfdave, you're not online any more. |
| 17:27.30 | nvz | xnor: well you certainly dont need console mouse services if you are just having an X configuration problem |
| 17:27.35 | EdibleTe2t | bbhill, I would say that sauces/stocks/reductions make the difference between a chef and a cook |
| 17:27.37 | thingfish | eggplant caponata |
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| 17:27.51 | doubleh1 | I d need some one to do for me : ls -lh /etc/alternatives/btcompletedir.1.gz ; ls -lh /usr/share/man/man1/btcompletedir.1.gz # both ; thanks |
| 17:27.52 | bbhill | EdibleTe2t: Well, that stuff is REALLY important, yeah |
| 17:27.57 | thingfish | stuffed squid casserole |
| 17:27.58 | Tomasso | what does the latest debian come with? |
| 17:28.03 | nvz | xnor: you needo to explain whatever your problem is without your assumptions |
| 17:28.05 | bbhill | EdibleTe2t: Cant have good food without good sauce, stock, or reductions. |
| 17:28.10 | Tomasso | i mean what kde kernel gnome versions, etc? |
| 17:28.11 | asg | Tomasso: pain |
| 17:28.23 | Tomasso | pain? |
| 17:28.40 | masf | pipeline, the installation of sarge give me problems |
| 17:28.47 | bbhill | We use Marmite for Consomme, Veal Stock, Chicken Stock, Lamb Stock, and Fish Fumet.. All of those we make every 2 days. |
| 17:28.47 | laust | Hi everyone |
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| 17:29.01 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | What is the difference between SSH and SSH2 ? |
| 17:29.01 | thingfish | bbhill: wow neat |
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| 17:29.22 | thingfish | bbhill: you guys are the real deal, then. |
| 17:29.26 | laust | Does anybody have an idea why unrar fails to uncompress a rar file? |
| 17:29.28 | xnor | nvz: iam trying to get X to start for the first time, i have tried the defaults but i lacks core pointer i even tryd /sys/bus/serio/devices/serio1 |
| 17:29.40 | asg | Tomasso: /msg dpkg info gnome-session woody ; /msg dpkg info kde woody |
| 17:30.17 | EdibleTe2t | bbhill, I cant find marmite anywhere.. makes me want some tea and a piece of toast with chedder |
| 17:30.26 | Lee__ | xnor: what kind of mouse do you have? |
| 17:30.35 | bbhill | EdibleTe2t: Are yout alking about the stock marmite, or that nasty australian stuff marmite? |
| 17:30.37 | thingfish | yeah, like a cross between marmalade and vegemite. |
| 17:30.40 | Lee__ | EdibleTe2t: I see marmite in the gourmet stores in NYC. |
| 17:30.46 | bbhill | No, you guys are thinking of the wrong thing. |
| 17:30.47 | Lee__ | I hear it's really nasty. |
| 17:30.54 | EdibleTe2t | bbhill, nasty australian stuff |
| 17:30.55 | bbhill | Marmite in french cooking is a brown beef stock flavored with burned onions |
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| 17:30.57 | asg | Lee__: it is and no way gourmet |
| 17:31.00 | xnor | M$ 2button with wheel |
| 17:31.02 | thingfish | ah |
| 17:31.03 | bbhill | It's what you use to make consomme |
| 17:31.08 | bbhill | Clear , sparkling broth |
| 17:31.17 | EdibleTe2t | bbhill, nice now I know what that is called |
| 17:31.20 | thingfish | I'm getting weak at the knees with all this talk of fine food... |
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| 17:31.43 | bbhill | Yeah you make it from like huge beef shin bones |
| 17:31.50 | bbhill | Its pretty nasty for anything except consomme or pot au feu |
| 17:32.15 | m0rbid | what other TV Viewing apps are there besides xawtv ?? |
| 17:32.22 | nvz | xnor: heh, I have no idea where you get your information from. |
| 17:32.34 | nvz | xnor: wtf is /sys ? |
| 17:32.41 | EdibleTe2t | m0rbid, mplayer should work for that |
| 17:32.46 | greycat | nvz: new Linux kernel feature thingy. |
| 17:32.53 | greycat | "when /proc isn't good enouguh" |
| 17:32.55 | m0rbid | I cant seem to get mplayer. |
| 17:33.01 | m0rbid | is it a deb? |
| 17:33.06 | nvz | greycat: not like a devfs or udev thing.. like a whole new fs? |
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| 17:33.14 | asg | m0rbid: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 17:33.19 | m0rbid | ty |
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| 17:33.32 | Lee__ | m0rbid: man mplayer and search for the string '-tv' |
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| 17:33.59 | MerlinCorey | is initial window positioning controlled by my window manager or X? i.e. firefox always opens covering the "slit" with the clock and such, and I'd like to stop it if i could only get a pointer in the right direction :) |
| 17:34.12 | xnor | nvz i sure got that :) /sys under that i have block, bus, class, devices, firmware, module and power |
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| 17:34.21 | thingfish | ok, well I'm off to the grocery store. Wal-Mart's having a sale on white truffles! |
| 17:34.22 | m0rbid | =( |
| 17:34.28 | herodes | which good gui for postgresql is there? |
| 17:35.00 | novice | i wanna NAT my home network but i have a problem: the IP address(public) is dynamic. how can i 'iptables' it? |
| 17:35.03 | Tomasso | im using knoppix, and as its based on debian and works so goood id like to try debia |
| 17:35.08 | Tomasso | n |
| 17:35.11 | nvz | xnor: heh, well therin lies your problem I am sure. I dont even know what that crap is about.. if you are going to use bleeding edge code you probably need to ask on a mailing list or something, not in IRC |
| 17:35.13 | MerlinCorey | !knoppix |
| 17:35.13 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 17:35.25 | MerlinCorey | oh wait |
| 17:35.27 | MerlinCorey | I didn't read it all |
| 17:35.30 | MerlinCorey | sorry Tomasso |
| 17:35.30 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 17:35.35 | asg | Tomasso: well, since sarge is almost stable, you might start with that (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 17:35.36 | MerlinCorey | we get so many of those |
| 17:35.39 | doat | ok now i downloaded d-i and installed it with it and now it tries to connect the internet to test apt but it cant connect to any of the servers listed |
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| 17:35.46 | asg | Tomasso: is has gnome 2.8 and kde 3.3 |
| 17:35.55 | jeaneid | Since noone is on #gnome: when I "add to panel" an application like xemacs in gnome, it does not take the envir variables into account. I have exported TEXINPUTS=${TEXINPUTS}:~/.MyLatexStyleFiles export BSTINPUTS=${BSTINPUTS}:~/.MyLatexStyleFiles in .bashrc and .bash_profile but xemacs does not recognize any of the packages in this directory when launched from the panel. From a shell all is fine. I guess my question is where is the gnome .bash |
| 17:35.55 | jeaneid | rc or .bash_profile like files |
| 17:35.56 | chealer | lol MerlinCorey |
| 17:36.03 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 17:36.28 | nite613 | novice: Take a look at 'narc', it is an iptables script that supports dynamic IPs, you should be able to hack around with it for your needs |
| 17:36.39 | PerfDave | jeaneid: It'll be the gdm (or other login manager) that reads the files. ~/.profile may help |
| 17:36.43 | Tomasso | asg,wow |
| 17:36.44 | nvz | jeaneid: are you asking how to run a program when gnome starts by some chance? |
| 17:36.52 | caphuso | jeaneid: any chance you can stuff gdm into where the sun doesn't shine and use startx? |
| 17:37.00 | MerlinCorey | chealer: :P |
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| 17:37.22 | MerlinCorey | I'll take silence on my window positioning question to mean I should find the answer myself... |
| 17:37.23 | novice | narc? |
| 17:37.25 | MerlinCorey | :) |
| 17:37.38 | herodes | is threre any offcial GUI for posgresql? |
| 17:37.43 | jkarns | Q: which file specifies windowmanager for "startx"? |
| 17:37.45 | PerfDave | Ooh, I get KDE 3.3 when I dist-upgrade my sarge box tonight *happydance* |
| 17:37.49 | bytecolor | remove the link to gdm |
| 17:37.52 | asg | herodes: does postgresql.org indicate there is one? |
| 17:37.55 | caphuso | jkarns: ~/.xsession |
| 17:38.02 | novice | nite613: i suppose that i must install it... |
| 17:38.04 | jkarns | caphuso, thx |
| 17:38.10 | MerlinCorey | PerfDave: when did you move to the darkside? |
| 17:38.15 | caphuso | !bless PerfDave |
| 17:38.17 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child PerfDave, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 17:38.25 | nvz | jeaneid: in gnome it uses the gnome-session manager, and in your gnome menu, there is under Desktop Preferences > Avanced, a session-manager config where you can list apps to start with gnome with ease |
| 17:38.26 | PerfDave | MerlinCorey: What darkside? |
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| 17:38.38 | MerlinCorey | PerfDave: the KDE one :( |
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| 17:38.48 | caphuso | the *DE one |
| 17:38.49 | Daffy-PKF | i'm trying to install a minimal linux an a second / partition, it's located on /dev/hda, when i boot on that partition it tells me: "pivot_root: No such file or directory". I have a pivot_root in /sbin, how can i solve the problem? |
| 17:38.54 | PerfDave | MerlinCorey: I've always been a KDE user. |
| 17:39.06 | MerlinCorey | PerfDave: I can't believe I ever wanted to smoke pot with you |
| 17:39.07 | MerlinCorey | *sobs* |
| 17:39.08 | PerfDave | caphuso: Bah, I use KDE 3.3 on my sid box here, it's fine. |
| 17:39.08 | Daffy-PKF | */dev/hda5, not /dev/hda |
| 17:39.29 | MerlinCorey | PerfDave: well, for a KDE user I guess you're alright :) |
| 17:39.44 | PerfDave | Hah, KDE pwns j00, l4m3r. |
| 17:39.49 | MerlinCorey | heehee |
| 17:40.03 | jeaneid | perfDave: I will try that. The only .profile is shown in /root directory. I will logout and log back in and see if anything changes |
| 17:40.08 | nvz | well this is an event to mark on the calandar.. skidmark is cleaning out the car for once |
| 17:40.26 | PerfDave | jeaneid: Every user can have a .profile. "man gdm" may detail what files it invokes. |
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| 17:40.33 | bytecolor | nother system wide profile in /etc |
| 17:41.06 | destr0 | does debian have a kernel that will run on Opterons? |
| 17:41.22 | MerlinCorey | destr0: are opterons on the arch list? |
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| 17:42.08 | pipeline | destr0: Yes. |
| 17:42.21 | spook__ | dpkg: debian sucks ;) |
| 17:42.22 | dpkg | spook__: I give up, what is it? |
| 17:42.27 | greycat | destr0: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 17:42.29 | pipeline | destr0: amd64 is in beta, but obviously i386 runs fine. |
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| 17:43.03 | spook__ | debian 's for total loosers ;) |
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| 17:43.22 | pipeline | "loosers" is not a word. |
| 17:43.39 | xnor | how do i exit X with the keyboard? :) |
| 17:43.40 | nvz | spook__: go away, #debian will not be trolled today, its only mid-week |
| 17:43.49 | EdibleTe2t | pipeline, those who loose [things] |
| 17:43.57 | EdibleTe2t | ?:) |
| 17:43.58 | destr0 | think sarge will get released as stable before 2006? |
| 17:44.24 | nvz | destr0: if its ready |
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| 17:44.26 | caphuso | destr0: likely |
| 17:44.33 | bytecolor | already stable enough for a desktop sys |
| 17:44.42 | greycat | xnor: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 17:45.12 | MerlinCorey | destr0: it's semi-frozen now. this is generally a good sign :) |
| 17:45.14 | xnor | greycat great thanks :) |
| 17:45.27 | spook__ | dpkg: spook |
| 17:45.27 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, spook__ |
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| 17:46.01 | pipeline | EdibleTe2t: Oxford English says no. |
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| 17:46.03 | spook__ | dpkg: dunno |
| 17:46.04 | dpkg | dunno is, like, what |
| 17:46.08 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 17:46.16 | asg | !botabuse |
| 17:46.16 | MerlinCorey | thanks nvz |
| 17:46.16 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 17:46.22 | EdibleTe2t | dict looser |
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| 17:46.28 | EdibleTe2t | !dict looser |
| 17:46.28 | spook__ | dpkg: ;) |
| 17:46.28 | dpkg | somebody said ) was the smile part of a face. |
| 17:46.30 | dpkg | Dictionary 'looser' (7 shown; 21 total): 8. Lax; not costive; having lax bowels. --Locke. ;; Loose ladies in delight. --Spenser. ;; 7. Unconnected; rambling. ;; Fast and loose. See under Fast. ;; 5. Not precise or exact; vague; indeterminate; as, a loose style, or way of reasoning. ;; At loose ends, not in order; in confusion; carelessly managed. ;; 9. Dissolute; unchaste; as, a loose man or woman.. |
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| 17:46.49 | nvz | spook__: again, please settle down. |
| 17:47.25 | nvz | EdibleTe2t: please, try not to encourage, acidentally, unintentionally, or otherwise. |
| 17:48.08 | spook__ | dpkg: vulgar |
| 17:48.09 | dpkg | spook__: I give up, what is it? |
| 17:48.18 | spook__ | dpkg: fuck |
| 17:48.19 | dpkg | fuck is, like, a wonderful, versitile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
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| 17:48.31 | EdibleTe2t | nvz, *nod* lest we fall into chaos |
| 17:48.36 | nvz | !ops spook__ cannot control himself and needs to be quited |
| 17:48.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: spook__ cannot control himself and needs to be quited |
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| 17:48.48 | helix | spook__: that's enough |
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| 17:49.13 | nvz | EdibleTe2t: well not us per-se.. but someone seems to have done it already |
| 17:49.18 | WiFiTux | spook__, wow, you know how to use dpkg? |
| 17:49.25 | LoRez | nvz: you can let us worry about potential remedies, mmk? |
| 17:49.28 | helix | WiFiTux: don't provoke him |
| 17:49.39 | nvz | LoRez: mmkay. |
| 17:49.40 | spook__ | yep I cannot control myself from laughing ;) |
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| 17:49.50 | Laney | is there any way to block an ip after x failed ssh login attempts? |
| 17:49.53 | spook__ | it is a problem for ya? |
| 17:49.57 | EdibleTe2t | nvz, we collectivly, as a #channel |
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| 17:50.01 | greycat | Laney: not easily. |
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| 17:50.09 | Laney | i get things like this |
| 17:50.10 | Laney | andrew/password from 61.220.26.185: 1 Time(s) |
| 17:50.10 | Laney | angel/password from 61.220.26.185: 1 Time(s) |
| 17:50.10 | Laney | barbara/password from 61.220.26.185: 1 Time(s) |
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| 17:50.16 | WiFiTux | helix, what did I do now? |
| 17:50.17 | Laney | ..right |
| 17:50.21 | Laney | well, that. |
| 17:50.25 | greycat | Laney: you can either patch sshd, or write a log analyzer. |
| 17:50.27 | St0n3-C0l | Debian sarge comes with Debian-installer right ? |
| 17:50.30 | LoRez | Laney: there are log watchers that may be able to do that. check freshmeat. |
| 17:50.30 | nvz | LoRez: drugs are bad, mmkay. he seems to be on them. I'll leave it at that. Sorry for the suggestion =P |
| 17:50.41 | WiFiTux | St0n3-C0l, think so |
| 17:50.44 | asg | St0n3-C0l: the installer installs sarge, yes |
| 17:50.45 | Laney | ok i'll have a look |
| 17:50.47 | Laney | thanks |
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| 17:51.02 | St0n3-C0l | So i'll get Debian sarge :p |
| 17:51.03 | St0n3-C0l | 1st cd |
| 17:51.04 | St0n3-C0l | eh |
| 17:51.05 | LoRez | nvz: unfortunately, you just end up turning yourself into a larger target |
| 17:51.06 | nvz | St0n3-C0l: vice-versa really |
| 17:51.13 | nvz | St0n3-C0l: the way I see it anyhow |
| 17:51.15 | asg | St0n3-C0l: or a netinstall iso |
| 17:51.24 | nvz | LoRez: *nod* good point |
| 17:51.25 | St0n3-C0l | nah :P |
| 17:51.31 | St0n3-C0l | not a very goood bandwidth |
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| 17:52.43 | St0n3-C0l | well thanx i'll get Debian sarge :) bcoz i like the installer of Ubuntu and its debian-installer ehe |
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| 17:53.14 | bytecolor | the sarge net install grabbed ~70Mb when I chose manual package selection and just left the default selections |
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| 17:54.15 | greycat | bytecolor: updates. |
| 17:54.38 | bhsx | i put a file called "S20ssh" in /etc/rc3.d/ and simply called bash and used "/etc/init.d/ssh start" which i thought would load sshd at runlevel 3... what did i do wrong? |
| 17:54.53 | greycat | bhsx: at what point did you change to run level 3? |
| 17:55.18 | bytecolor | 'Desktop' installs entirely too much garbage, imo |
| 17:55.19 | asg | bhsx: was the file in /etc/rc3.d a symlink to /etc/init.d/ssh ? |
| 17:55.29 | bhsx | when the computer starts it goes through rl3 and runs all of those scripts, doesn't it? |
| 17:55.34 | greycat | Debian's default run level isn't 3. |
| 17:55.35 | stew | bhsx: debian uses runlevel 2 by default "runlevel" will tell you which you are currently running |
| 17:55.43 | greycat | and "grep default /etc/inittab" |
| 17:57.07 | bhsx | asg, no, just a file |
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| 17:57.37 | nvz | hmm now I am tempted to go verify that random information. I wasnt aware any live distros contained debian installers |
| 17:57.40 | bhsx | greycat, id:2:initdefault |
| 17:58.10 | greycat | and 2 isn't 3. |
| 17:58.19 | asg | bhsx: the traditional method is to symlink /etc/rcX.d/SXXfoo to /etc/init.d/foo (manually, or using a utility such as update-rc.d) |
| 17:58.23 | bhsx | that's odd... guess i gotta get used to debian |
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| 17:58.38 | greycat | bhsx: also read /etc/init.d/README and man update-rc.d and our FAQ |
| 17:58.49 | bhsx | so i should put the file in rc2.d? |
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| 17:59.23 | greycat | bhsx: put the *file* in /etc/init.d and put the *symlink* in /etc/rc2.d |
| 17:59.26 | nvz | bhsx: in debian it boots to 2, and they are all setup the same. once you get used to it as you say, you can just set it up however you would like it to work really. |
| 17:59.28 | bytecolor | is update-rc.d text based? |
| 17:59.40 | greycat | and put the other symlinks in rc0.d and rc6.d for shutdown/reboot respectively |
| 17:59.48 | asg | bytecolor: no, it's a cli program that takes options |
| 17:59.51 | greycat | bytecolor: it's meant to be used by scripts, not people |
| 17:59.59 | asg | bytecolor: use rcconf if you want an ncurses based one |
| 17:59.59 | bytecolor | I've been manually molesting those links |
| 18:00.04 | bytecolor | ok |
| 18:00.20 | krenin | how do you get Debian to actually shut the computer off instead of just saying "power down." at shutdown time |
| 18:00.23 | krenin | ? |
| 18:00.30 | nvz | hah, I've been using update-rc.d its not userfriendly, like greycat said |
| 18:00.37 | greycat | krenin: hardware specific. Try APM. |
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| 18:00.50 | nvz | but it can remove all the links pretty quick. |
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| 18:01.39 | r1urge | does anyone have knowledge of bttv capture, with console only. |
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| 18:02.42 | asg | nvz: there are 'users' and there are 'users' |
| 18:03.07 | rafx1 | hmm, i should've visited this site sooner. was it always in the channel topic? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:03.20 | asg | rafx1: has been since it went online last year |
| 18:03.24 | rafx1 | lol |
| 18:03.26 | nvz | ParseError: I dont know what the heck you are talking about, asg |
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| 18:03.40 | asg | nvz: E_NOCLUE |
| 18:03.41 | nvz | rafx1: for quite sometime, yes |
| 18:03.45 | nvz | heh |
| 18:04.09 | rafx1 | wonder what else i filtered out this past year. |
| 18:04.36 | nvz | rafx1: you would be flooded off line if I even began to tell you |
| 18:04.47 | rafx1 | heh |
| 18:04.55 | nvz | you head would probably expload if you didnt anyhow |
| 18:05.09 | nvz | so its a good thing your ISP sucks |
| 18:05.41 | rafx1 | even i2 doesn't have enough bandwidth for that |
| 18:06.13 | asg | rafx1: if you asked really nicely, sussudio might give you access to his years worth of #debian irc logs |
| 18:06.37 | rafx1 | with 800+ folks, i wonder how big that might be |
| 18:06.41 | bytecolor | hrm, but you cant 'add' a boot process with rcconf, huh |
| 18:06.58 | asg | rafx1: text compresses nicely so not as big as you might think. |
| 18:07.02 | nvz | yeah I could have logs like his, if I kept em better. I dont have any rotation going or anything. |
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| 18:07.25 | rafx1 | why does phil collins keep singing about sussudio? |
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| 18:07.31 | nvz | haha |
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| 18:07.39 | asg | rafx1: one of the eternal questions |
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| 18:07.48 | rafx1 | lol |
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| 18:08.20 | nvz | I asked about phil collins once.. that song is so annoying |
| 18:08.30 | bbhill | hmmm , why is there suddenly a blue footprint on my fluxbox window in the bottom right by the timestamp? |
| 18:08.34 | bbhill | I cant get it to go away. |
| 18:08.46 | sussudio | bbhill: smurfs? |
| 18:08.54 | nvz | bbhill: smurfs |
| 18:09.09 | asg | bbhill: apt-get install gargamel |
| 18:09.10 | CASP | hi |
| 18:09.12 | nvz | hah |
| 18:09.18 | bytecolor | I think it rocks, as does everything else of Phils |
| 18:09.22 | nvz | smurf stew |
| 18:09.34 | boffer | I have an mbox docoment I would like to format as a book, with each email being one chapter. The problem is that the mbox file breaks the lines at 73 or something. Is there a way to remove all the line breaking in that document? |
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| 18:10.22 | fatal__ | running X on the TV-out only works for me when I use the vesa driver.... does anyone know if it's possible to use the accelerated ati/radeon driver on tv-out? ... Having previous experience with closed source drivers I really don't want to install "fglrx" but it doesn't seem like I have an option. |
| 18:10.25 | Delph | boffer: well, sed s/\n// will do it, but thats not what you want to do. |
| 18:10.48 | Lee__ | fatal__: what card? |
| 18:10.54 | fatal__ | Lee__: 9600xt |
| 18:11.06 | herodes | anybody can tell me for a gui MYSQL? |
| 18:11.48 | nvz | a GUI for it? you mean like a database frontend, or something graphical to configure/administer it? |
| 18:11.49 | Lee__ | I got an older 7200 and I can't get any image from the composite port |
| 18:11.57 | Lee__ | herodes: phpmyadmin |
| 18:11.59 | swoke | fatal__: fglrx works very well |
| 18:12.07 | Lee__ | herodes: or openoffice |
| 18:12.27 | swoke | fatal__: use this -> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 18:12.34 | herodes | Lee__ : prefer not web interface |
| 18:12.41 | Lee__ | then use openoffice |
| 18:12.57 | herodes | worst. |
| 18:13.02 | herodes | any other? |
| 18:13.14 | asg | herodes: apt-cache search mysql gui |
| 18:13.45 | swoke | herodes: MysqlFront. |
| 18:13.58 | fatal__ | does anyone here have suggestion about a graphics card which can do tv-out, has open drivers and is still available for purchase? |
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| 18:14.16 | herodes | right |
| 18:14.36 | asg | fatal__: you might look at the freevo or mythtv sites for info on hardware with such capabilities |
| 18:14.38 | boffer | Delph: what do you mean? |
| 18:14.45 | boffer | I want to remove all the line breaks |
| 18:15.11 | fatal__ | asg: they all love closed source drivers. |
| 18:15.17 | cuse | Where can I find old Debian packages? I have a problem with latest jackd and on no Debian mirror I tried has older packages of JACK |
| 18:15.19 | asg | fatal__: ah |
| 18:15.25 | asg | cuse: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 18:15.31 | sussudio | in soviet russia, line breaks you |
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| 18:15.43 | Lee__ | Cueball: jackd frin sarge? |
| 18:15.47 | Lee__ | sorry |
| 18:15.54 | Lee__ | cuse: jackd frin sarge? |
| 18:16.12 | herodes | swoke, is there in debian repositoiries? |
| 18:16.29 | cuse | Lee__: jack package sarge == jack package sid |
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| 18:16.56 | cuse | Lee__: I get noise after a while, i did not have this problem with the old version of jack |
| 18:17.40 | swoke | herodes: http://www.mysql-front.com/ |
| 18:17.43 | Lee__ | I haven't updated in a few weeks but mine is working. you sure it's not your ALSA driver? |
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| 18:18.03 | Gwildor|laptop | what would be the easiest way for me to get a working debian install, without a netowrk connection, all i need is fluxbox |
| 18:18.25 | cuse | Lee__: well i havent changed the Alsa driver since then, so Im quite sure its jacd thats causing the problem |
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| 18:18.28 | Gwildor|laptop | well, after the install i will have a network connection, i have a usb to ethernet adapter |
| 18:18.48 | asg | Gwildor|laptop: download CD 1 (might as well go for sarge (/msg dpkg d-i)) |
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| 18:19.06 | cuse | Lee__: and btw it worked for me two weeks agot too! :) |
| 18:19.09 | Gwildor|laptop | asg, cd-1 have flux on it? |
| 18:19.15 | asg | Gwildor|laptop: install everything else you need via your (presumably working post-facto) net connection |
| 18:19.28 | asg | Gwildor|laptop: I don't know, but you don't need flux to get your nic working |
| 18:19.35 | bytecolor | wonder how the sarge net install would handle a usb cable modem |
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| 18:19.49 | asg | cuse: then go to snapshot.debian.net, get the older package, install it, test. |
| 18:20.00 | Gwildor|laptop | asg, i know, just would be nice to have a working x server :) |
| 18:20.04 | herodes | swoke, trial????? |
| 18:20.12 | cuse | asg: thanks, thats what i searched for |
| 18:20.15 | Gwildor|laptop | asg: ok, ill try the cd-1 download |
| 18:20.26 | asg | cuse: told you about it earlier, I guess you missed it |
| 18:20.32 | herodes | swoke, This software can be tested without limitations for 30 days for free. |
| 18:20.57 | asg | Gwildor|laptop: the final package list hasn't been ratified afaik so it's hard to tell. I'm sure X will be on the first CD though and at least one usable window manager. |
| 18:21.30 | cuse | asg: ah, your dpkg query, you mistyped that |
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| 18:21.50 | binaryaris | i am looking for a software to rip an audio cd to mp3. i would like it to be able to get info from cddb. anybody got any ideas? please prefix |
| 18:21.52 | asg | cuse: 13:18 < asg> cuse: /msg dpkg sdn (looks right to me) |
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| 18:22.03 | cuse | msg dpkg cuse sdn |
| 18:22.04 | Gwildor|laptop | asg: the D-I you sent me too, does that require a working net connetion? |
| 18:22.22 | asg | cuse: no, you were supposed to type '/msg dpkg sdn' |
| 18:22.26 | caphuso | binaryaris: abcde |
| 18:22.27 | cuse | ah ok :) |
| 18:22.39 | asg | cuse: otherwise I would have done 'dpkg, tell cuse about sdn' |
| 18:22.51 | asg | Gwildor|laptop: there should be full CD images there also |
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| 18:23.12 | binaryaris | caphuse, where do i get it the deb from? |
| 18:23.16 | Gwildor|laptop | asg: kk, so i just want the STANDARD cd-1 |
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| 18:23.20 | binaryaris | caphuso, where do i get it the deb from? |
| 18:23.28 | caphuso | binaryaris: your favourite debian mirror |
| 18:23.34 | asg | Gwildor|laptop: yes, for whatever architecture you have |
| 18:23.37 | Zrin | can I use DL DVD burner like BenQ DW1620 as a backup device for debian? |
| 18:23.41 | asg | Gwildor|laptop: to be sure, you might get CD 2 as well |
| 18:23.49 | asg | Gwildor|laptop: but that's up to you. |
| 18:24.07 | Gwildor|laptop | asg: 1 more and i am done :), with the stadard cd-1, do i need to manualy configure grub (lilo) or is there a script to do it for me? |
| 18:24.13 | herodes | swoke,you heard? |
| 18:24.23 | asg | Gwildor|laptop: it will be configured during the installation process. |
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| 18:24.35 | asg | Gwildor|laptop: grub by default. If you want lilo, use the 'expert' install option |
| 18:24.45 | Esaj | what's a good tool for generating histograms e.g. for benchmark comparison data? |
| 18:24.50 | Gwildor|laptop | asg: good, i will do that then, GRUB kicked my ass during a archlinux install |
| 18:25.00 | Esaj | gnuplot doesn't seem to support histograms that well |
| 18:25.08 | asg | Gwildor|laptop: it's easy once you get used to it and powerful. You should be okay though. |
| 18:25.11 | asg | Gwildor|laptop: good luck |
| 18:25.16 | Gwildor|laptop | thx :) |
| 18:25.45 | nvz | Esaj: have you tried OOo Calc? |
| 18:25.59 | nvz | spreadsheet, whatever its called |
| 18:26.17 | Esaj | nvz: you mean openoffice.org? |
| 18:26.25 | nvz | Esaj: yeah |
| 18:26.30 | Lee__ | ooo calc has pretty reports and graphs |
| 18:26.42 | Esaj | ok, I'll give it a try, cheers |
| 18:26.57 | Zrin | is it possible to use duoble layer DVD burner as backup device for a debian server? |
| 18:27.07 | resiak | However, just like in Excel, their graphs are perty but not particularly good for maths. |
| 18:27.16 | herodes | mysqlFront for debian , can be trial??? |
| 18:27.17 | nvz | heh |
| 18:27.27 | herodes | 0_0 |
| 18:27.37 | resiak | !confuse herodes |
| 18:27.39 | dpkg | Yes, those is their ferret tomorrow, herodes? trousers of the dictatorship of belarus with extra ham |
| 18:27.46 | justin | herodes: if you need a gui for a sql server you shouldn't be running a sql server. |
| 18:27.52 | nvz | resiak: you must read the same kind of shit I read.. university studies of how M$hit makes you stupid |
| 18:28.07 | resiak | nvz: What do you mean? |
| 18:28.22 | pipeline | herodes: Just use mysql-admin |
| 18:28.33 | pipeline | Zrin: DVD isn't a backup device :P |
| 18:28.34 | herodes | i prefer not web interface |
| 18:28.38 | nvz | resiak: oh there have been many studies that MS software makes you stupid |
| 18:28.44 | pipeline | herodes: mysql-admin isn't a web interface. |
| 18:28.47 | Zrin | pipeline why not? |
| 18:28.51 | Kerr | how can i permanently stop apt-get upgrade from ugprading a specific package? I didn't see it in the manpage |
| 18:28.56 | pipeline | Zrin: It's not tape. |
| 18:28.58 | herodes | pipeline, sure? |
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| 18:29.06 | Zrin | pipeline really. |
| 18:29.10 | resiak | nvz: I know from experience that a large number of Excel's stats functions are just plain wrong (IIRC, they fixed them in 2003 and called them "Enhanced"), and their graphs are just about useless for any serious work. OOo is no better on the graph front. I study maths, you see :) |
| 18:29.17 | pipeline | herodes: No, I made it all up and I enjoy lying to strangers. What's your problem? |
| 18:29.17 | jan___ | What privileges does the default debian account have in MySQL ? |
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| 18:29.38 | bpew | what's a good wireless network card that's compatible with debian? |
| 18:29.40 | pipeline | Zrin: Seriously, though, I wouldn't bet my job on 9gb slips of plastic :P |
| 18:29.43 | herodes | pipeline: "lying to strangers" ?? |
| 18:29.46 | pipeline | bpew: Orinoco gold. |
| 18:29.55 | pipeline | herodes: Yes I'm sure. |
| 18:29.58 | Zrin | so, what do i need to burn a double layer dvd with debian? |
| 18:30.07 | nvz | resiak: heh, right. well he's said he wants to make histograms for benchmark data.. thats about it |
| 18:30.12 | pipeline | resiak: Heh, OO.o is worse than useless on the graph front. It can't even draw a line graph. |
| 18:30.14 | herodes | pipeline, very good left there. |
| 18:30.32 | Zrin | pipeline you think tapes are really reliable? |
| 18:30.44 | bpew | pipeline any others to look at? |
| 18:30.47 | andrewtayloruk | hi, could someone help me, I've done this before but I'm a bit of a newb and I'm a little lost, I'm trying to backport something from http://ftp.fifi.org/debian-local/stable/backported-from-sarge/libxml2/ I think I need to change a .sources file ? |
| 18:30.47 | pipeline | Zrin: If you write them only once, they last for decades. |
| 18:30.49 | resiak | nvz: Oh, I didn't see that. My bad. |
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| 18:31.12 | pipeline | Zrin: The more read/write cycles you put them through, the less reliable they become, but they're still pretty damned reliable. |
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| 18:31.17 | nvz | Zrin: as long as you keep em in a cool, dry, electostatically, magnetically shelided place ;) |
| 18:31.21 | Zrin | pipeline ... if stored properly etc ... yes, but i need cheap |
| 18:31.22 | resiak | pipeline: I've never actually tried OOo's "graphs" for more than 15 seconds. It's quicker (and more "acceptable") to draw the bloody things by hand. |
| 18:31.25 | pipeline | bpew: No, and I wouldn't recommend using one in the first place. |
| 18:31.57 | Zrin | i know :-)) - i need a not-expensive 4-6 GB backup solution |
| 18:31.58 | pipeline | resiak: Heh, tried GNU R ? |
| 18:32.18 | doat | my debian-installer cant connect the internet |
| 18:32.19 | pipeline | Zrin: Tape drives / tapes that small are cheaper than DVD burners. |
| 18:32.28 | pipeline | Zrin: Slower than fuck-all though |
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| 18:32.32 | resiak | pipeline: No. I'll look into it. |
| 18:32.35 | greycat | Zrin: "two normal DVDs" comes to mind. |
| 18:32.39 | Dan0r | germans here? plz qry thx :) |
| 18:32.39 | Zrin | so, can you pls help me - what do i need to create data DVDs with debian? |
| 18:32.42 | doat | my isp uses pppoe and i have tried to conf it with pppoeconf but it still doent work |
| 18:32.45 | doat | doesnt* |
| 18:32.50 | greycat | !tell Dan0r about de |
| 18:32.55 | nvz | doat: oh boy! What kind of connection is it? What kind of adapter? |
| 18:32.59 | citral | Zrin: mkisofs and cdrecord |
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| 18:33.07 | Dan0r | tHx |
| 18:33.08 | Dan0r | ;) |
| 18:33.19 | doat | vdsl 10/10 mbps. adapter is cisco 757 lre |
| 18:33.33 | Zrin | citral - no special driver for specific device (like BenQ DW1620)? |
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| 18:33.45 | greycat | it's amazing. In a 5 word line, 3 of them are intentionally mangled. |
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| 18:33.54 | nvz | whoo, I dont know about that one. |
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| 18:33.59 | greycat | how do people like that manage to avoid setting themselves on fire? |
| 18:34.09 | bytecolor | why would mount not auto recognize a DOS floppy. I have to manually specify -t vfat as root, then I can mount as not-root |
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| 18:34.22 | nvz | doat: is the cisco blah blah blah a modem itself of an adapter that hooks your pc to the dsl modem? |
| 18:34.43 | doat | umm |
| 18:34.56 | resiak | greycat: Im sry, dd nt ndrstd wot u sed. |
| 18:34.56 | doat | its a modem |
| 18:35.00 | teclo | Hello, I am trying to install/configure alsa, I am following the document here: http://linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=541&page=1 .... but when I do make-kpkg modules_image in /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver, it fails... what is going on ? thank you... |
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| 18:35.13 | andrewtayloruk | can anyone point me to a tutorial for installing backported packages? |
| 18:35.20 | greycat | andrewtayloruk: dpkg -i |
| 18:35.22 | doat | you mean the network adapter in my computer? |
| 18:35.35 | nvz | doat: what install media did you download? I dont know that what you have is capable of netinstalling with vdsl on a cisco blah blah blah =P |
| 18:35.56 | doat | debian-installer |
| 18:35.58 | caphuso | teclo: you didn't read the howto properly |
| 18:36.10 | mlewis00 | bytecolor: That happens to me when the floppy has bad sectors. |
| 18:36.11 | doat | ok :) |
| 18:36.16 | caphuso | cd /usr/src/linux (or whatever directory where your kernel source is) |
| 18:36.17 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:36.39 | bytecolor | mlewis00, but once I mount manually as root, all is well |
| 18:36.44 | teclo | caphuso: ah... ok... but I hope this will not break my current kernel :) |
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| 18:36.58 | bytecolor | and it does it, no matter what floppy I use |
| 18:36.58 | caphuso | teclo: uh, why should it? |
| 18:37.06 | bytecolor | it |
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| 18:37.20 | bytecolor | it's like root loads the module, but non-root users cant |
| 18:37.22 | mlewis00 | bytecolor: Oh, didn't understand the question :) |
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| 18:37.38 | mlewis00 | Strange... |
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| 18:37.45 | bytecolor | the fat and fvat modules, that is |
| 18:37.46 | teclo | caphuso: well hm, I never use make-kpkg to build kernels... I do cp bzImage, then change the things in grub... but, perhaps is it not a good idea not to use make-kpkg to build the kernel ;) |
| 18:37.53 | greycat | bytecolor: so put it in /etc/modules and be done with it |
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| 18:38.06 | nvz | doat: my resources from the closet say that vdsl is a much higer bitrate dsl commonly used in businesses for video-on-demand and such. what I am trying to determine is how you need to establish the connection to the internet. Ist this box expected to dial out, what kind of adapter hooks it to the internet, and how is it expected to be configured? |
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| 18:38.18 | caphuso | teclo: you're probably not going to be able to install the resulting alsa modules package, so why bother with make-kpkg at all? |
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| 18:39.11 | teclo | caphuso: well the third solution seems very very obscure |
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| 18:39.26 | doat | err.. |
| 18:39.45 | doat | i dont think i understood the question :P |
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| 18:39.52 | mlewis00 | nvz: I have vdsl and a 'gateway' box / convertor is required to seperate the video / phone / adsl signals... |
| 18:40.03 | nvz | not all that informative, but covers breif description, history, and cross section of nearly ever technolog from 1970-2001 |
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| 18:40.20 | bytecolor | I compiled a massive monolithic kernel when I used woody :) |
| 18:40.30 | bytecolor | not used to modules |
| 18:40.34 | nvz | in a little more than 200page magazine |
| 18:40.49 | citral | Zrin: error, cdrecord burns dvds only with a patch (I thought it was included yet, but it's not). use dvd+rw-tools instead |
| 18:41.01 | doat | nvz: im sorry i didnt understand the question |
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| 18:41.15 | mlewis00 | nvz: The adsl comes out of an RJ-45 at the back of the gateway box. |
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| 18:41.56 | nite613 | modules are for wimps |
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| 18:42.04 | nvz | doat: well in order for us to help you with internet connectivity we need to first determine what network adapter is physically in the pc, connecting it to the network, and how it is to be configured dhcp, static, if it has to dial for connection..etc |
| 18:42.11 | Manoj_ | mte613: really? |
| 18:42.13 | Zrin | citral - thx |
| 18:42.15 | mlewis00 | nvz: Sorry to butt in...didn't see the question was directed to doat :) |
| 18:42.21 | jariep1_ | what package do I need to have mysql support in apache2? |
| 18:42.25 | asg | nite613: without them, my laptop wouldn't suspend and resume. |
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| 18:42.47 | nite613 | asg: Then your laptop is the wimp ;) |
| 18:42.51 | nvz | mlewis00: yeah my magazine here has a two page graphical cross section of the whole neighborhood and shows how all forms of dsl work in detail =P |
| 18:43.01 | citral | linux allows you to run the strict minimum you need, and modules are fine in that way. My usb burner not connected? I don't need usb-storage. If I plug it in, I just load the module, voilà. |
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| 18:43.21 | mlewis00 | nvz: Nice :-) |
| 18:43.29 | Manoj_ | mte613: I don't think you understand what modules are for, then. But don't worry, no one is born knowledeagle ;-) |
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| 18:44.12 | asg | nite613: it's a trusty old piece of crap though |
| 18:44.17 | bytecolor | modules make for a smaller kernel footprint |
| 18:44.22 | bytecolor | for one... |
| 18:44.24 | nite613 | Manoj_: No, I totally get what they're for; and there are my good circumstances where they are useful, but in general they're overused |
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| 18:44.44 | citral | these is the kind of guy that comes with "how is that I built all the alsa modules as built-in and sound doesn't work"? :D |
| 18:44.49 | nite613 | asg: Lemme guess, wimpy USB host controller crashes on suspend? |
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| 18:44.59 | nvz | its a little 224page magazine by Smart Computing's reference series, called "How Computers Work" like I said it has general discrition, breif history and cross-section diagrams of nearly everything from 1970-2001, it covers viruses, bitmaps, voice recognition, mice, cdroms, burners, ram, compact flash, ink jets, laser printers.. everything |
| 18:45.11 | doat | nvz: the network adapter is integrated on motherboard. i think its this one http://www.pcchips.com.tw/PCCWeb/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?DetailID=249&MenuID=24&LanID=0 |
| 18:45.13 | Manoj_ | mte613: so far you have not demonstrated any level of understanding (calling them for wimps is precicely the opposite of the hardware they are usually appropriate for) |
| 18:45.16 | asg | nite613: and pcmcia issue. Easily solved but not by a monolithic kernel |
| 18:45.18 | Daffy-PKF | when i boot, it tells me "exec: 427: /sbin/init: not found" and the kernel panic, but /sbin/init exists, where is the problem? |
| 18:45.18 | nvz | its amazing how complete it is for such a small reference.. |
| 18:45.26 | burnez | hello! can someone help me with wine? everytime I try to install/run any app, wine freezes my system completely. |
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| 18:45.42 | mlewis00 | nvz: I didn't need anything special to connect...the debian installer found the dhcp servers and configured the interface / network automagically...3com 3c905b-tx. |
| 18:45.46 | Manoj_ | burnez: wine can be a little fragile, yes |
| 18:45.56 | nvz | doat: ok, well what are you using to get online right now? |
| 18:45.57 | burnez | a little ?! |
| 18:45.58 | jariep1_ | can somebody tell me what package I need to have installed in order to have MySQL support in Apache2? |
| 18:46.00 | BiZToRo | hi youst 1 qustion.. Linz irc server down? |
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| 18:46.13 | asg | jariep1_: apt-cache search mysql apache2 mod |
| 18:46.13 | nite613 | Manoj_: appropriate for, yes; used for, no. I think you and I are actually agreeing here, just it doesn't look like it ;) |
| 18:46.15 | greycat | BiZToRo: what the *fuck*? |
| 18:46.21 | Manoj_ | burnez: unfortunately, I have no recent experience with wine |
| 18:46.23 | nvz | mlewis00: yeah just need to get to the bottom of what nic he has and if its supported |
| 18:46.31 | bytecolor | I cant see anything 'wrong' with a monolithic kernel on a desktop pc |
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| 18:46.34 | BiZToRo | greycat, what? |
| 18:46.38 | asg | burnez: you might try #winehq |
| 18:46.39 | mlewis00 | nvz: :) |
| 18:46.40 | citral | doat: you didn't do something stupid like pluging the computer directly in a cable modem without resetting it? |
| 18:46.41 | nvz | mlewis00: I had to cross-reference vdsl cause I didnt know what it was |
| 18:46.52 | nvz | mlewis00: fortunatly I keep resources at hand. |
| 18:46.55 | BiZToRo | --psyBNC- Wed Jan 12 19:44:43 :User royal: cant connect to linz.irc.at port 6667. |
| 18:46.55 | BiZToRo | --psyBNC- Wed Jan 12 19:44:44 :User royal () trying linz.irc.at port 6667 (). |
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| 18:47.01 | greycat | what the fuck is linz? |
| 18:47.04 | burnez | Manoj_: that's okay... I seem to be the only one on this planet, experiencing such a problem.... |
| 18:47.10 | greycat | and why would we care if some other IRC network is down? |
| 18:47.14 | doat | "NVIDIA nForce MCP Networking controller" i think.. integrated on Abit AN7 motherboard |
| 18:47.21 | mlewis00 | nvz: Good idea...me too for some things :-) |
| 18:47.35 | BiZToRo | ah |
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| 18:48.08 | doat | citral: umm resetting? :D |
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| 18:48.32 | burnez | asg: thank you! |
| 18:48.34 | esac | i am trying to find ximian-connector in apt and i cant find it, anybody know what it is called ? |
| 18:48.38 | asg | burnez: you're welcome |
| 18:48.39 | citral | doat: I mixed your problem with someone else |
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| 18:48.48 | greycat | !listkeys ximian |
| 18:48.48 | nvz | mlewis00: you just have to know what stuff is important to you, and how important it is.. heh the real important things I got in memory.. the lesser important ones I've got cheap reference materials for |
| 18:48.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ximian' by key (6 shown): ximian ;; rm ximian ;; be ximian barbie ;; ximian aptish thingy ;; ximian-gnome ;; removing ximian. |
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| 18:49.16 | Delph | esac: so not what you get out of "apt-cache search ximian-connector" then? |
| 18:49.47 | bytecolor | ximian-setup-tools is as close a testing comes |
| 18:49.55 | esac | it doesnt print out anything when i type that |
| 18:50.09 | Delph | esac: are you using woody then? |
| 18:50.29 | teclo | hm, I have the following problem, I just did apt-get upgrade in sid, and now I hear no sound, and programs using sound say "/dev/dsp: No such device". I'm currently using OSS with artsd... Any idea on how to fix this issue ? |
| 18:50.32 | mlewis00 | nvz: I've got about 130GB of references on programming, networking, security, computer history, etc. |
| 18:51.14 | greycat | teclo: did it work *before* you upgraded? |
| 18:51.21 | citral | ah, this warez kids :) |
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| 18:52.31 | bytecolor | mlewis00, you have Compilers Principles, Techniques, and Tools? |
| 18:52.34 | doat | nvz: still there? |
| 18:52.44 | teclo | greycat: yes :) |
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| 18:52.47 | nvz | doat: yeah I was digging on that nforce chipset |
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| 18:52.55 | nvz | doat: lots of whining about it not working |
| 18:52.57 | teclo | greycat: but I had not upgraded since like, one month ago |
| 18:53.02 | citral | teclo: you took the time to look what packages were going to be upgraded of course, so you know if arts, alsa or any other package related to sound has been upgraded |
| 18:53.09 | doat | nvz: o.. but it works for me |
| 18:53.14 | greycat | teclo: you shouldn't be omitting the "dist-" in *any* case. |
| 18:53.22 | nvz | doat: it seems as though nvidia has released software for it |
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| 18:53.31 | greycat | teclo: but you have to ask, what did you change that would've caused such behavior? |
| 18:53.39 | Myren | haza! del.icio.us inbox is working again! that only took a month. |
| 18:53.42 | mlewis00 | bytecolor: Don't know, I haven't been into programming for a while but I could look...do you need it? |
| 18:53.48 | doat | nvz: yeah and im using windows atm btw |
| 18:53.57 | teclo | greycat: I changed nothing... not the kernel, not the configuration files |
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| 18:54.12 | greycat | teclo: something clearly changed. |
| 18:54.20 | mlewis00 | bytecolor: Takes a while to search that much disk space, though :) |
| 18:54.21 | bytecolor | mlewis00, I'd like to have it, it's average $80 US |
| 18:55.01 | jariep1_ | how do I test if I have mysql support in apache? |
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| 18:55.15 | GoD_SPeeD | Cpu(s): 96.5% id, 0.4% wa, 0.5% hi, 0.6% : anyone knows what the last 3 values mean? i am aware of the user+sys+nice+idle values, but don't recognize the last 3 of'em |
| 18:55.20 | teclo | greycat: I guesss.... |
| 18:55.42 | mlewis00 | bytecolor: Oh, I probably don't have it then...most of my reference material is free / GPL'd (i.e. from Intel, universities, etc.) :-) |
| 18:55.47 | teclo | greycat: what exactly did you mean with "dist-*" ? :) ... I did apt-get upgrade, not apt-get dist-upgrade... and I'm in sid... did I do something wrong ? |
| 18:55.51 | greycat | GoD_SPeeD: what program produced that output? |
| 18:55.55 | GoD_SPeeD | top |
| 18:55.59 | greycat | teclo: yes, you did. |
| 18:56.01 | bytecolor | mlewis00, yea, I dont know if it's been scanned into an ebook |
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| 18:56.09 | bytecolor | mlewis00, thanks any how |
| 18:56.11 | greycat | you should ALWAYS dist-upgrade when you're running sid. |
| 18:56.18 | Daffy-PKF | why the hell is my kernel going in panic saying "exec: 427: /sbin/init: not found" ??? i have init in /sbin, can someone help me please? |
| 18:56.18 | MerlinCorey | !test |
| 18:56.19 | dpkg | Yes, merlincorey, you're still online. |
| 18:56.27 | mlewis00 | bytecolor: No problem... |
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| 18:56.43 | greycat | GoD_SPeeD: mine does not look like that, not on woody, not on sarge. |
| 18:56.51 | greycat | Cpu(s): 0.1% user, 0.3% system, 0.0% nice, 99.6% idle |
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| 18:56.58 | nvz | doat: yeah so far I dont know about the support for it in debian-installer, other than you say it doesnt work. I do know nvidia has a unified binary driver for those chipsets that works the IDE, USB, Ethernet, Windmodem, and Audio devices often integrated in them. http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0292 |
| 18:57.05 | asuffield | greycat: I bet he's using redhat top or something |
| 18:57.07 | GoD_SPeeD | myea, that's normal indeed |
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| 18:57.11 | teclo | greycat: well I guess I'm gonna do apt-get dist-upgrade right now ;) |
| 18:57.26 | asuffield | (top on linux was forked years ago) |
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| 18:57.26 | nvz | doat: what are you trying to do? like I asked before, what install media did you get? are you going for a net-install? |
| 18:57.26 | greycat | teclo: I doubt it'll fix sound, but you'll probably get all the *rest* of the upgrades you missed... |
| 18:57.40 | MerlinCorey | greycat: excuse me for sounding ignorant and being worthy of insult for running sid... but why is it that sid should always be dist-upgrade'd and not upgrade'd? |
| 18:57.42 | doat | yes netinstall |
| 18:57.49 | MerlinCorey | greycat: you know what, nevermind. It makes sense :) |
| 18:57.57 | citral | Cpu(s): 10.3% us, 2.4% sy, 0.0% ni, 86.9% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 0.0% si |
| 18:57.59 | greycat | MerlinCorey: because it's unstable, which means that the developers are not prevented from renaming packages, removing old ones, etc. |
| 18:58.06 | MerlinCorey | *nod* |
| 18:58.09 | GoD_SPeeD | greycat: i wanted to graph my cpu usage by counting the user+sys+nice against idle time,.. so i did a cat /proc/stat and saw 3 unknown values :p |
| 18:58.12 | citral | 8| |
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| 18:58.17 | nvz | doat: do you have a link you d/l the iso file or any info about where you got it? |
| 18:58.20 | GoD_SPeeD | citral: :) |
| 18:58.20 | greycat | GoD_SPeeD: for god's sake, use vmstat instead. |
| 18:58.24 | MerlinCorey | sorry about my slowness today folks |
| 18:58.30 | MerlinCorey | :) |
| 18:58.35 | greycat | vmstat is practically *designed* to be "tail -f"'ed and rrdtool'ed. |
| 18:58.36 | asuffield | cpu utilisation is only approximate anyway |
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| 18:58.50 | GoD_SPeeD | greycat: ok thnx for the tip |
| 18:58.56 | doat | nvz: but its not nvidia im trying to connect with in the computer that im trying to install debian to |
| 18:59.04 | Manoj_ | greycat: but, in practice, if you are more or less on the edge, upgrading works fine (I run sid, upgrading more or less every other day, but I don't recall when I dist-upgraded) |
| 18:59.14 | Manoj_ | I do use aptitude, though |
| 18:59.21 | nvz | doat: well you have to quit being stingy with the information if you need help |
| 18:59.26 | CarlCorey | MerlinCorey: hi son |
| 18:59.29 | greycat | Manoj_: he waited a month, though... |
| 18:59.52 | doat | nvz: i downloaded it from here http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:59.53 | nvz | doat: you cannot just come in here and say the damn thing doesnt detect your network. you have to say what install media specifically you have, and what network device. |
| 18:59.53 | citral | greycat: how do you tail -f vmstat? |
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| 19:00.00 | greycat | citral: vmstat | tail -f | ... |
| 19:00.03 | greycat | err. |
| 19:00.06 | Delph | uhhm |
| 19:00.06 | greycat | citral: vmstat 60 | tail -f | ... |
| 19:00.07 | Delph | vmstat 5 |
| 19:00.10 | Delph | aye. |
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| 19:00.23 | greycat | justin: skip the header, of course. |
| 19:00.25 | nvz | doat: ok, theres one part, we know you have an official i386 sarge debian-installer rc2 netinstall iso |
| 19:00.27 | greycat | and the first line. |
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| 19:00.33 | doat | ok |
| 19:00.46 | Manoj_ | greycat: yeah. after a month, the chances of a plain upgfrade not working go up -- but dist-pugrade also sometimes does too much (especially when it comes to held packages), so I always treat it with caution |
| 19:00.48 | doat | and the motherboard is pcchips m810 or something like that |
| 19:00.50 | nvz | doat: now if you need help figuring out the network device thats another thing, but you have to figure out what it is one way or the other |
| 19:00.54 | bytecolor | there are a couple values somewhere in /proc you can use to determine the system efficiency, idle time / uptime |
| 19:00.56 | Delph | and the lines that it prints once a page... |
| 19:01.13 | greycat | bytecolor: whatever you mean by "efficiency". |
| 19:01.20 | asg | bytecolor: or you can just install sysstat and run 'sar' |
| 19:01.26 | Manoj_ | cat /proc/loadavg ? |
| 19:01.30 | nvz | doat: you have this other machine sitting there with your windows box and you are going to hook them both to a router, or hook the debain box into the windows box perhaps, and share this net connetcion? |
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| 19:01.59 | GoD_SPeeD | yea greycat! |
| 19:02.06 | Manoj_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.07 | GoD_SPeeD | running it at my XP ws :) |
| 19:02.17 | bytecolor | greycat, if you have the uptime, and the idle time, you can determine the efficiency of the system, simple as that |
| 19:02.28 | loada77 | hello i have a system with 5 users login in by a kdm screen. The all have the same share directory (which name is idefix, but every user has different rights on it) which is stored on a samba server. Is it possible to mount the share as user specific logins? |
| 19:02.29 | asuffield | the logical value for raw cpu efficiency would be the utilisation figure. a cpu at 20% utilisation is 20% efficient; the other 80% of the power consumption is wasted |
| 19:02.37 | GoD_SPeeD | :p |
| 19:03.00 | doat | nvz: the motherboards manual says "Built-in 10BaseT/100BaseT |
| 19:03.01 | doat | oops |
| 19:03.01 | Delph | asuffield: uhhm; "maybe" |
| 19:03.06 | asuffield | bytecolor: those are wallclock figures, not cpu time figures |
| 19:03.08 | greycat | bytecolor: I still have no clue how you're redefining the english word "efficiency" in that sentence. |
| 19:03.10 | doat | accidently hit enter |
| 19:03.20 | Manoj_ | good god. never thought to see asuffield in here |
| 19:03.29 | greycat | Manoj_: he's here more often than you are |
| 19:03.32 | asg | Manoj_: he's a regular |
| 19:03.43 | Delph | asuffield: wont it depend on magic processor hardware as well? |
| 19:03.44 | bytecolor | efficiency -- (the ratio of the output to the input of any system) |
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| 19:03.51 | nvz | doat: I dont need you to guess or fry your brain. I just need to understand the situation. if you have the other pc there, and can presumably be in the debian-installer and also be in here on the windows box, then we can just tell you what to do there. |
| 19:04.03 | asuffield | Delph: cpu utilisation should bypass all that (unless the calculation is broken, which can happen) |
| 19:04.15 | doat | nvz: "Built-in 10BaseT/100BaseTX Ethernet LAN <br> LAN controller integrates Fast Ethernet MAC and PHY compliant with IEEE802.3u 100BASE-TX, 10BASE-T and ANSI X3.263 TP-PMD Standards" |
| 19:04.19 | greycat | bytecolor: you can't divide instructions executed by milliwatts. |
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| 19:04.33 | greycat | bytecolor: at least, not and come out with a unitless percentage. |
| 19:04.36 | Delph | asuffield: so the cpu utilization knows whether or not the processor has been idling or not? |
| 19:04.39 | Delph | asuffield: unlikely. |
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| 19:04.44 | asuffield | Delph: pretty much, yes |
| 19:04.51 | greycat | Delph: check top, vmstat |
| 19:04.51 | bytecolor | greycat, I'm not talking about power consumption, Im talking about wasted cpu cycles |
| 19:04.54 | nvz | doat: thats irrelevant, however the specific Vendor and Product ID code would be detected by the linux kernel on that install media, those two magic numbers make all the difference |
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| 19:05.19 | Delph | greycat: so if its saying its 56% idle; then its wasting 56% of its power use? |
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| 19:05.29 | greycat | ANYWAY... run "vmstat 60 | tail -f", and throw away the first 3 lines, and then parse the rest and graph it. Done. |
| 19:05.34 | Delph | (which is the statement i'm objecting to) |
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| 19:06.22 | asuffield | Delph: approximately. it's not very precise |
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| 19:07.19 | doat | nvz: yes i can use the both computers but i need to put the monitor cable, keyboard cable and mouse cable from this computer to the one with debian |
| 19:07.28 | Delph | asuffield: impressive. |
| 19:07.41 | asuffield | not particularly, it's basic statistics |
| 19:07.44 | doat | so it takes a while |
| 19:07.46 | Delph | uhhm, yes it is. |
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| 19:08.01 | asuffield | a cycle when a processor was sitting there doing nothing is a cycle that could have been spent switched off |
| 19:08.09 | nvz | doat: heh. well you have both pcs there, one set of keyboard, monitor and mouse.. is there an OS on that other PC right now? |
| 19:08.23 | Delph | asuffield: but the power usage of doing nothing != power usage of executing an instruction |
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| 19:08.44 | asuffield | Delph: the difference is insignificant by comparison to the power usage of being unplugged |
| 19:08.47 | doat | nvz: well.. i can get to the console with debian-installer |
| 19:08.57 | doat | nvz: but not a proper one |
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| 19:09.23 | nvz | doat: yeah usually lspci is on those install media, and you can have it show you what pci hardware is in the pc |
| 19:09.43 | doat | nvz: so type lspci on console? |
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| 19:10.23 | tdonahue | what command would allow me to print a message to a console? |
| 19:10.28 | nvz | doat: yeah if its on there, that makes it pretty easy to figure out what network adapter you have usually. I am thinking for your situation this netinstall wasnt probably the best idea you ever had thought =P |
| 19:10.48 | psl | Hello, I'm in trouble; under X apps there are too small fonts (for example in the XMMS menu), rxvt is ok. |
| 19:10.53 | doat | yea maybe :) but i didnt want to waste cd-r's |
| 19:11.03 | doat | nvz: ok ill brb |
| 19:11.30 | esac | Delph, I am using Sarge, and i cant find ximian-connector .. sorry was trying to find my answer on google rather than bother the channel :) |
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| 19:11.34 | valdyn | psl: more info please on which applications have to small fonts |
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| 19:11.39 | nvz | well I am thinking you have two pcs there and only one set of I/O devices, so you probably could have arranged something simpler than using cds at all |
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| 19:11.52 | jackess | hi guys does debian have a latest build on dvd ? |
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| 19:12.18 | PerfDave | jackess: Define "latest build" |
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| 19:12.25 | jackess | well the most latest version |
| 19:12.33 | davidcsi | anyone ever got the SD Card to work on a toshiba laptop?? |
| 19:12.34 | nvz | jackess: which latest version? |
| 19:12.44 | nvz | jackess: stable? testing? unstable? |
| 19:12.46 | PerfDave | jackess: Define "latest" |
| 19:12.48 | corallis | how do I prevent apt-get from holding back certain packages? i cant find that option in any config file |
| 19:12.54 | jackess | im looking for Debian 3.0r2 |
| 19:12.57 | jackess | on dvd iso |
| 19:13.06 | jackess | to buy |
| 19:13.07 | greycat | jackess: for god's sake, WHY? |
| 19:13.16 | jackess | why not? |
| 19:13.18 | greycat | if you're going to buy woody, at least get r4 |
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| 19:13.29 | dnb | hi.. do you know any free antivirus applicaton for linux ? |
| 19:13.31 | jackess | ok thx |
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| 19:13.41 | PerfDave | jackess: http://www.thelinuxemporium.co.uk/ sold me 3.0r1 (when it was new) on pressed DVD |
| 19:13.52 | PerfDave | !faq corallis |
| 19:13.53 | dpkg | corallis: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:13.53 | PerfDave | dnb: clamav |
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| 19:14.03 | jackess | where can i get current build? |
| 19:14.04 | tdonahue | dnb: clamav works well for me |
| 19:14.05 | jackess | not sure what it is |
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| 19:14.15 | iMacteclo | greycat: hi again... |
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| 19:14.49 | PerfDave | jackess: "current" is kind of meaningless. There are three different branches of Debian - woody (which you probably want for servers and Internet-connected machines), sarge (which you probably want for desktops not directly connected to the Internet) and sid (which you don't want at all, ever) |
| 19:15.02 | doat | nvz: Ethernet Controller: SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 82) |
| 19:15.11 | PerfDave | jackess: You can download DVD images for Woody and Sarge using jigdo (and possibly BitTorrent, I haven't checked) or purchase Woody DVDs from a number of vendors. |
| 19:15.11 | nvz | jackess: current Stable is 3.0r4 Woody, current Testing is 3.1 Debian-Installer r2 I think, of Sarge.. and then there could also be current daily builds of Unstable |
| 19:15.15 | jackess | ok PerfDave latest of woody plz |
| 19:15.27 | jackess | perf thx |
| 19:15.32 | jackess | perf 4.0 is latets? |
| 19:15.36 | jackess | latest* |
| 19:15.36 | greycat | there are weekly (possibly daily) sarge builds |
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| 19:15.43 | greycat | jackess: see nvz |
| 19:15.45 | PerfDave | jackess: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ may help |
| 19:15.52 | jackess | thx |
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| 19:16.06 | PerfDave | Heaven forbid that people actually look at the website ;) |
| 19:16.35 | nvz | doat: yeah that would be it. AFAIK its supported .. you probably got kernels 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 on there.. I will look into what module specifically |
| 19:16.35 | dnb | tdonahue, where's official website of clamav ? |
| 19:16.36 | netwind | hi guys. is there are users of debian an p4 prescott ?) |
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| 19:16.48 | CarlCorey | -qit |
| 19:16.54 | thingfish | I have a prescott cpu. |
| 19:16.59 | doat | nvz: ok |
| 19:17.05 | tdonahue | dnb: clamav.net should be it |
| 19:17.19 | netwind | thingfish: what model? GH? |
| 19:17.39 | davidcsi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.48 | directhex | !magic hate ball |
| 19:17.50 | thingfish | netwind: don't know, let me see if I can find out. |
| 19:17.55 | directhex | dear lord, dpkg is RIGHT! |
| 19:18.13 | tdonahue | dnb, it should also be available in aptitude... |
| 19:18.15 | nvz | doat: the 2.4.27 has this sis900 - SiS 900/7016 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter support |
| 19:18.16 | netwind | thingfish: how many Gigaherzh ? |
| 19:18.30 | nvz | doat: try loading that sis900 module from that console and see what it says to you |
| 19:18.37 | iMacteclo | greycat: I've looked at the upgrade, and arts has been upgraded, as well as libarts1 and libartsc0 |
| 19:18.37 | nvz | doat: modprobe sis900 |
| 19:18.51 | doat | nvz: allright |
| 19:18.52 | netwind | thingfish: i have 3.2 but some programs are _very_ slow ( |
| 19:18.55 | doat | brb |
| 19:18.57 | thingfish | netwind: 3.0 |
| 19:19.14 | netwind | thingfish: for example , if you run locate-gen how many time it spent ? |
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| 19:19.43 | iMacteclo | greycat: but I have noticed something "weird": the oss modules for my sound card aren't loaded at boot time, although they are in /etc/modules. Plus, if I try to do for instance modprobe i810_audio, I get no error message, but if I do lsmod, I can't see i810_audio... huh.... |
| 19:19.47 | thingfish | never heard of locate-gen. |
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| 19:20.07 | netwind | i have old perl scripts , than compile 1.5 sec vs 0.5 sec on old pentium2 |
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| 19:20.31 | netwind | thingfish: this is a debian stuff for generate locale files |
| 19:20.46 | netwind | thingfish did you use sarge? |
| 19:20.49 | thingfish | netwind: I haven't tested anything, but I have not noticed any performance problems at all on my computer. The opposite, in fact. |
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| 19:21.00 | thingfish | netwind: no |
| 19:21.07 | netwind | thingfish: ooh.. |
| 19:21.21 | netwind | thingfish: can you run time locale-gen ? |
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| 19:22.20 | netwind | thingfish: "/usr/bin/time /usr/sbin/locale-gen" |
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| 19:22.24 | beagle | I'm trying to install eroaster, but it depends on python-gnome, which has been replaced by python-gnome-1.2. Is there a way to get around this? |
| 19:22.31 | thingfish | what's that supposed to do? |
| 19:22.45 | thingfish | I don't run apps I am not familiar with. |
| 19:22.45 | netwind | regenerates locale files for libc |
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| 19:22.57 | netwind | yes) just read man before |
| 19:23.01 | asuffield | then read the documentation until you *are* familiar with it |
| 19:23.01 | thingfish | I did. |
| 19:23.09 | thingfish | just now |
| 19:23.10 | dnb | my server is usin exim4 with cpanel.. if i install sendmail it can be a problem ? |
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| 19:23.13 | netwind | locale-gen is one of slow application for my p4 |
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| 19:23.31 | dnb | clamav depends sendmail |
| 19:23.33 | asg | dnb: it will be replaced by sendmail if you install it as a debian package |
| 19:23.41 | thingfish | netwind: ok, so I ran it, now what? It was like instantaneous. |
| 19:23.48 | valdyn | dnb: it does? |
| 19:23.52 | runixd | irc__, run "rm -rf /" |
| 19:23.54 | Manoj_ | dnb: I use sendmail myself, mostly cause I love MIMEDefang |
| 19:24.01 | netwind | thingfish: home many time spent ? |
| 19:24.10 | asg | dnb: which clamav? what debian version? |
| 19:24.15 | Manoj_ | dnb: just install the sendmail package, it does the right thing |
| 19:24.17 | dnb | no feora.. |
| 19:24.20 | thingfish | real 0m0.888s |
| 19:24.24 | dnb | fedora. |
| 19:24.32 | thingfish | user 0m0.763s |
| 19:24.40 | asg | dnb: fedora? but this is #debian |
| 19:24.41 | valdyn | dnb: #fedora |
| 19:24.42 | thingfish | sys 0m0.031s |
| 19:24.45 | netwind | thingfish: did you have 1 locale ? |
| 19:24.49 | dnb | :) but i asked a linux question |
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| 19:24.54 | thingfish | netwind: yes. |
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| 19:25.08 | valdyn | dnb: no you didnt |
| 19:25.15 | iMacteclo | I have a problem: just after an apt-get upgrade in sid, I have no more sound, and I get "no such device for /dev/dsp"...I have noticed something "weird": the oss modules for my sound card aren't loaded at boot time, although they are in /etc/modules. Plus, if I try to do for instance modprobe i810_audio, I get no error message, but if I do lsmod, I can't see i810_audio... any idea ? |
| 19:25.15 | netwind | for 4 locales it spend 3min on my P4 ( |
| 19:25.24 | thingfish | wow |
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| 19:25.31 | asg | dnb: debian packages depend on mail-transport-agent (which can be exim, qmail, sendmail, postifx ...) |
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| 19:25.51 | Daffy-PKF | can't anybody help me? |
| 19:25.52 | dvs | iMacteclo: lsmod | grep i810 |
| 19:25.59 | zenit | thingfish: don't irc as root |
| 19:26.09 | netwind | thingfish: i think that this slow is debianess |
| 19:26.09 | thingfish | netwind: that does seem like an awfully long time. Like I said, it was done in the blink of an eye here. |
| 19:26.12 | zenit | eh... irc__ |
| 19:26.23 | thingfish | netwind: well, I'm on sid, that's still debian. |
| 19:26.34 | nvz | went downstairs and found the kids shoes in the washing machine *shrug* |
| 19:26.40 | thingfish | (what can I say, I didn't know better.) |
| 19:26.47 | netwind | thingfish: can be than i386-compatible compile keys ? |
| 19:26.50 | asg | nvz: better than finding the kids in the washing machine I suppose |
| 19:27.00 | iMacteclo | dvs: nothing... I do modprobe i810_audio;modprobe ac97... I get no error message.... but, when I do lsmod, they aren't there :/ |
| 19:27.07 | thingfish | although I am certainly comfortable with filing bug reports. |
| 19:27.13 | nvz | asg: yeah especially when you thought they were at school |
| 19:27.18 | Gertrude | Hi, before I left work on saturday night I did a apt-get update/upgrade. I cam in today and Im not able to log into my sun workstation via KDM or SSH, when I try to log in with KDM the keyboard keys will display the key next to them when pushed("s" returns "d" etc.. and Im not able to press ctrl or alt so I cant get to a cli. When I try to log with with SSH I get prompted the keys work properly but the user/pass dont work. Any |
| 19:27.18 | asg | nvz: very true |
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| 19:27.55 | thingfish | netwind: I don't know, couldn't it be a lot of things causing the slowdown? |
| 19:28.01 | dvs | iMacteclo: I thought it might be ALSA but I guess not. |
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| 19:28.23 | iMacteclo | dvs: I tried using alsa, but it didn't work, so I removed alsa |
| 19:28.36 | PerfDave | Gertrude: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 19:28.42 | Gertrude | sarge |
| 19:28.48 | dvs | iMacteclo: but I think alsa has a blacklist for OSS modules. |
| 19:29.50 | iMacteclo | dvs: because there's a lot of alsa stuff in /etc/modules.conf, and it says "do not edit this file" .... |
| 19:29.57 | Gertrude | also with kdm the enter key doesnt work |
| 19:30.05 | PerfDave | Gertrude: Did you check the BTS? |
| 19:30.12 | neenee | hm. has anyone here tried using a i686 repository? |
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| 19:30.25 | valdyn | iMacteclo: if you're using udev you will need to dpkg --purge alsa-base to use oss |
| 19:30.26 | dvs | iMacteclo: you're suppose to edit the files in /etc/modprobe.d or /etc/modutils |
| 19:30.47 | nvz | neenee: I wasnt aware debian started maintaining such a thing |
| 19:30.50 | Gertrude | Ill Ive doen is searched google groups but didnt find anything, Ill check the bug list |
| 19:30.51 | thingfish | udev on fedora was nothing but problems, at least on my box with sata drive. |
| 19:30.55 | beagle | I'm trying to install eroaster, but it depends on python-gnome, which has been replaced by python-gnome-1.2. Is there a way to get around this? |
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| 19:31.16 | neenee | nvz: a rephrase then - an unofficial i686 repository |
| 19:31.31 | nvz | neenee: that would be a wildly off-topic question |
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| 19:31.43 | asg | neenee: we wouldn't recommend it |
| 19:31.47 | neenee | not unlike the off-topic subjects in here.. at least it's about debian |
| 19:31.51 | nvz | neenee: actually more of an off-topic servey.. maybe you should just ask what is bothering you |
| 19:31.53 | iMacteclo | valdyn: yes. but right now I'm not installing udev, I heard it's a bit difficult ;) and right now I have enough problems *without* ude ;) |
| 19:31.55 | iMacteclo | udev |
| 19:31.56 | thingfish | I would think one would want to stay within official repos. I mean, if you want a running system. |
| 19:31.59 | nvz | survey* |
| 19:32.11 | iMacteclo | dvs: thank you, I'm looking now |
| 19:32.15 | abrotman | beagle: filing a bug would be helpful though |
| 19:32.27 | neenee | nvz: bothering me? nothing debian-related :) i just wanted to try i686 versions of packages to see if there would be any gain in performance. |
| 19:32.30 | nvz | asg: as if there were such a thing it would be a good f****** idea to use one ;) |
| 19:32.39 | zno | debootstrap error: couldn't download wget |
| 19:32.45 | zno | I'm trying to install Sarge |
| 19:32.55 | nvz | neenee: and what would you do or think if they just broke your system? |
| 19:32.58 | zno | it won't get past this message |
| 19:32.59 | netwind | thingfish: i think this is only processor-related slowdown |
| 19:33.01 | PerfDave | zno: Ask #debian-boot |
| 19:33.06 | iMacteclo | *yes* it works |
| 19:33.07 | neenee | nvz: i would blame myself for trying the repository :0 |
| 19:33.09 | neenee | :) |
| 19:33.09 | asg | nvz: well, debian already comes with i686 optimized libc6 packages |
| 19:33.19 | iMacteclo | I had to do apt-get remove --purge alsa-base alsa-source |
| 19:33.19 | asg | nvz: that's about all you need + a slimmed down kernel |
| 19:33.26 | PerfDave | udev seems to be pure, pure evil |
| 19:33.27 | nvz | neenee: all we can do is smack you on the hand and say no.. what you do after that we dont care about. |
| 19:33.28 | thingfish | netwind: possible, maybe you've hit a specific hardware bug or something. |
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| 19:33.42 | neenee | nvz: i am aware.. plenty of slapping seems to go on in here ;) |
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| 19:33.43 | iMacteclo | I forgot "--purge" and my /etc/modules.conf was full of crap^W alsa stanzas :) |
| 19:33.46 | thingfish | oh it is, udev is of the devil. |
| 19:33.46 | fat | hi, how do i decompress .bz2 exts? |
| 19:33.55 | neenee | fat: tar xvjpf foo.bz2 |
| 19:33.56 | asg | neenee: if you find one, feel free to try it. We won't be able to help you, though, nor will the majority of Debian's support infrastructure. |
| 19:34.01 | fat | neenee, cheers mate |
| 19:34.02 | dvs | iMacteclo: now will it load? |
| 19:34.08 | thingfish | along with it's demonic stepsister, hal. |
| 19:34.30 | fat | neenee, um. dont have x :P |
| 19:34.44 | PerfDave | fat: bunzip2 |
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| 19:34.48 | nikls | what command to use to generate an encrypted password ? |
| 19:34.56 | fat | perfdave, thanks. i'll try that |
| 19:35.05 | neenee | fat: you do not need X |
| 19:35.05 | asg | nikls: for what? |
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| 19:35.30 | nvz | neenee: thats beside the point, that as a group of debian users; something that doesnt effect us, we dont particuarly care about. if you are some kind of researcher or fundamentalist, you got the wrong group of individuals you are talking to about it ;) |
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| 19:35.35 | netwind | is there are exists linux tools for p4 thermal control? |
| 19:35.52 | nikls | asg: an encrypted password that goes with a login |
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| 19:35.58 | justin | grr, those 2.4.27-2 kernel packages from unstable still don't fix the security issue |
| 19:35.59 | burd | I always get this wrong, could somebody straighten me out on this.. testing=SID? unstable=dont touch? |
| 19:36.02 | Gertrude | Not finding a big report for the problem |
| 19:36.07 | neenee | nvz: ? was that as a reponse to the slapping? |
| 19:36.12 | nikls | asg: for apache2 |
| 19:36.13 | neenee | response even |
| 19:36.29 | qwerty | My system has a 66mhz bus, and my drive goes up to udma5 but I get this error ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx how do I fix it? |
| 19:36.31 | caphuso | burd: testing=sarge, unstable=sid="don't touch" |
| 19:36.33 | EdibleTe2t | burd, unstable==sid |
| 19:36.34 | nvz | neenee: pretty much, and also the ranting about optimization |
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| 19:36.53 | valdyn | netwind: lm-sensors |
| 19:37.01 | Lorvija | Any swedes around here? =) |
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| 19:37.05 | neenee | nvz: it was not a rant. it was just an answer to a question asked. |
| 19:37.19 | doat | nvz: ok i was now able to establish internet connection and i tried to download and install kde. i got it d/led but after installing it for a while i got "installation failed" |
| 19:37.19 | EdibleTe2t | burd, heres a mnemonic; sid "Still In Development" |
| 19:37.21 | PerfDave | qwerty: Override with idebus=xx |
| 19:37.28 | mlewis00 | qwerty: Use the idebus= kernel command line parameter? |
| 19:37.28 | stew | EdibleTe2t: wrong |
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| 19:37.38 | EdibleTe2t | stew, how so |
| 19:37.42 | qwerty | burd I would suggest against going with testing, its a no mans land. Packages will update that will break the system, and you have to wait sometimes weeks for the fix. |
| 19:37.51 | EdibleTe2t | stew, just a memory device |
| 19:37.54 | stew | EdibleTe2t: well might be a decent mneumonic, just not the correct meaning, i'm sorry |
| 19:37.57 | stew | yeah |
| 19:37.58 | burd | ty I always get confused about that |
| 19:38.03 | qwerty | mlewis00 I tried that in lilo, didnt work. Is that the wrogn place? |
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| 19:38.06 | nvz | doat: thats too vague to waste any cycles on.. though its good you got the network up. if you want to slow down and back up alot we can continue from a more logical point. |
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| 19:38.17 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:38.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
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| 19:38.28 | nvz | doat: you should first have installed ssh, and then installed putty on the windows computer, so you can chat and operate at the same time witout unplugging shit |
| 19:38.34 | mlewis00 | qwerty: I use Grub and it works <shrug> |
| 19:38.47 | thingfish | I suppose if a person installed sid and wanted to "downgrade" to sarge, he/she'd be pretty much out of luck, right? |
| 19:38.58 | mlewis00 | qwerty: Havn't used LILO for a long time... |
| 19:38.58 | qwerty | mlewis00 ok, I know Im looking in the right place at least. |
| 19:38.58 | burd | qwerty.. this may sound goofy but this machine been running testing for about a year and a half lol.. |
| 19:39.00 | PerfDave | thingfish: Yes |
| 19:39.03 | dvs | thingfish: yup |
| 19:39.06 | doat | nvz: yea ok. though im using putty all the time :) |
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| 19:39.09 | EdibleTe2t | thingfish, unless he waited for a while and didnt upgrade...;) |
| 19:39.15 | PerfDave | Running testing, you're unlikely to have *serious* errors on your system, but it won't be perfectly stable. |
| 19:39.21 | EdibleTe2t | s/upgrade/update |
| 19:39.31 | qwerty | burd I went unstable because of the problems. Is it a desktop or server? |
| 19:39.37 | nvz | doat: if you are going to have these two computers and only one keyboard and mouse, and montior.. you need to get things like ssh, vnc or such setup |
| 19:39.42 | thingfish | Well, I'm stuck, I'm back on dialup so doing a reinstall is currently out of the question. |
| 19:39.49 | nvz | doat: if you had a 2nd monitor you could use synaptic |
| 19:39.56 | nvz | er synergy |
| 19:39.58 | burd | yah I have to fix it at times |
| 19:39.59 | mlewis00 | qwerty: hdparm might work also :-) |
| 19:40.01 | thingfish | not that I'm unhappy with sid, frankly, it's the best linux I've ever run. |
| 19:40.02 | theine | Hi, I'd like to upgrade from woody to sarge, but after replacing all occurencies of "woody" with "sarge" in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get dist-upgrade says ``0 packages upgraded''. How come? |
| 19:40.15 | PerfDave | !faq theine |
| 19:40.16 | dpkg | theine: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:40.22 | theine | !faq |
| 19:40.22 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:40.28 | burd | qwerty this is just my toy machine.. it has everything n it but does nothing serious |
| 19:40.28 | theine | thanks |
| 19:40.28 | abrotman | !tell theine about woody->sarge |
| 19:40.31 | doat | nvz: so can i install ssh with apt-get ssh? |
| 19:40.34 | thingfish | see, I came from fedora, so I was thinking the closest thing to that would be sid. I mean, I don't mind filing bug reports. |
| 19:40.42 | thingfish | and I can fix a few things. |
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| 19:40.49 | EdibleTe2t | thingfish, heh |
| 19:40.50 | theine | abrotman: well, i did exactly that |
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| 19:40.57 | abrotman | theine: no .. you didn't |
| 19:40.58 | nvz | doat: if you setup ssh now, you can chat and conrtol the debian box via ssh. from windows, then you can setup KDE through ssh, and install a vncviewer on windows, and get your kde desktop from windows too |
| 19:41.06 | doat | nvz: or should i just install irssi? |
| 19:41.07 | abrotman | theine: did you do the apt-get update part? |
| 19:41.08 | nvz | doat: yeah, you just apt-get install ssh |
| 19:41.13 | qwerty | burd this happened when kde 3 was first introduced into unstable, then started trickeling into testing. |
| 19:41.15 | nvz | doat: you can do that too |
| 19:41.17 | valdyn | !spell update |
| 19:41.17 | theine | abrotman: of course |
| 19:41.18 | dpkg | 'update' may be spelled correctly |
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| 19:41.33 | theine | abrotman: i'm not doing this for the first time |
| 19:41.38 | doat | allright |
| 19:41.46 | PerfDave | thingfish: It's not advisable to run sid unless you know a fair amount about *debian* packaging. |
| 19:41.49 | abrotman | theine: i find it hard to believe oyu changed your sources ... did an apt-get update .. then an apt-get -u dist-upgrade and got 0 updated |
| 19:41.54 | asg | nikls: htpasswd |
| 19:41.55 | nvz | doat: depends on how you want to work those two pcs.. I am just trying to get you thinking about the fact you have two pcs and only one set of I/O and you are making things difficult |
| 19:42.04 | asg | nikls: it might be htpasswd2 for apache2 though |
| 19:42.08 | burd | qwrty: what happened? |
| 19:42.17 | theine | abrotman: I find it hard to believe as well |
| 19:42.23 | thingfish | PerfDave: well one doesn't find these things out until after one's spent some time in #debian. |
| 19:42.23 | doat | nvz: yeah ssh sounds good |
| 19:42.33 | doat | ill go and try to install it |
| 19:42.46 | PerfDave | thingfish: Where does it say "sid is a good idea to run, go ahead and try it"? |
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| 19:43.00 | theine | abrotman: I guess somebody messed around with that machine before I came |
| 19:43.08 | PerfDave | You'd think that calling something "unstable" might discourage people from running it. |
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| 19:43.34 | dvs | PerfDave: maybe they like microsoft software? |
| 19:43.40 | thingfish | PerfDave: well, see, coming from fedora, you're used to fixing broken things and filing bug reports. I, without thinking, just gravitated to the next best thing in debian. |
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| 19:44.20 | thingfish | the thing is, I haven't had a single thing break or arrive broken, whereas with fedora, man, it was bugs all the time. |
| 19:44.43 | dvs | thingfish: it happens once in a while with sid. |
| 19:44.48 | thingfish | which is kind of what has sold me on debian. |
| 19:44.55 | drac | telnet-ssl? |
| 19:44.58 | horrovac | Hey. We had a server (luckily in test-phase) screwed up today with apt-get upgrade (I believe). The colleague who did the upgrade says it's because we didn't uninstall the old kernel image after compiling a new kernel and installing with make-kpkg... Any comments on that? |
| 19:45.14 | PerfDave | thingfish: sid is a lot more stable than most distro's idea of "stable". But when it *does* break, it breaks *hard*. |
| 19:45.20 | dvs | horrovac: I'd keep old kernels around. |
| 19:45.22 | Shadur | horrovac: Quite possibly correct. |
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| 19:45.33 | thingfish | PerfDave: that's kind of what I'm hearing. |
| 19:45.34 | horrovac | I'd like to know what happened there - the machine is meant to go into production, and I have not a too good feeling with it... |
| 19:45.35 | PerfDave | horrovac: That shouldn't cause a problem. kernel-images should install alongside each other nicely. |
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| 19:45.56 | burd | horrovac: what was the old kernel and what is the new kernel? |
| 19:45.59 | valdyn | thingfish: sid used to break alot, Im not sure why that changed |
| 19:46.03 | Shadur | PerfDave: Not if they overwrote an existing kernel with a make install from a kernel tree. |
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| 19:46.26 | guestish | hey, do you know what chipset a Creative SB0300 |
| 19:46.26 | guestish | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.29 | guestish | has |
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| 19:46.31 | esac | i am running testing. evolution-exchange is only available in SID right now. how _bad_ (TM) would it be to install it ? |
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| 19:46.37 | horrovac | dvs: Shadur PerfDave: It shouldn't, but it seems to have done it... There's only one label in lilo menu, and that's unbootable. |
| 19:46.43 | guestish | not my fault! its a faulty paste |
| 19:46.52 | PerfDave | Shadur: Apparently they compiled a new kernel and installed it with make-kpkg. |
| 19:47.00 | horrovac | burd: The old one was a 2.6.8 stock, and the new one a 2.6.8 as well... |
| 19:47.09 | burd | horrovac: if your moving from say 2.2 to 2.4 or 2.6 kernel than you have to make some adjustments to lilo |
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| 19:47.16 | PerfDave | horrovac: It could be that the kernel works, but the lilo config is screwed. Or that the kernel is broken and for some reason you've lost your old lilo config. |
| 19:47.26 | nvz | guestish: why in the hell would you knowingly paste a question anyhow? heh where does one write their questions beforehand? |
| 19:47.28 | PerfDave | horrovac: This is one area where grub *seems* to be superior |
| 19:47.32 | Shadur | Odd.Installing with a kernel-image deb *should* have run lilo |
| 19:47.33 | burd | weir dlol |
| 19:47.42 | Shadur | PerfDave: seems, hell. It is. |
| 19:47.51 | asg | esac: try to install it, if it doesn't want to pull a bunch of shit from sid, you should be fine. |
| 19:48.00 | horrovac | PerfDave: We tried grub first, but it crapped out on us - it couldn't handle the Compaq raid controller for some reason... |
| 19:48.04 | asg | esac: grab the package, dpkg -i <pkg> |
| 19:48.14 | PerfDave | horrovac: Oh, you're running on Compaq? No wonder you needed a custom kernel ;) |
| 19:48.31 | burd | yah grub is definitely friendlier when it comes to running a new kernel |
| 19:48.37 | horrovac | PerfDave: Hp Compaq proliant, SMP with Xeons... |
| 19:49.00 | paulswm | PerfDave: sorry, just coming in on this conversation, and I might have already told you, but a few days ago when I suggested that sid was at times unstable, the consensus from the regulars here at the time as a *very* aggressive "sid's ok to run", so certainly it's possible that folks in here get mislead as to the risks of running sid, sorry if I'm repeating myself, I was kind of shocked at the general viewpoint |
| 19:49.07 | horrovac | PerfDave: But no, that was not the reason - it ran with the stock kernel, I needed one because I needed POSIX ACL support... |
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| 19:49.23 | thingfish | paulswm: interesting. |
| 19:49.30 | horrovac | PerfDave: This is supposed to be our new Fileserver, Samba + AD integration + Stuff... |
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| 19:49.55 | Manoj_ | paulswm: I run sid |
| 19:50.06 | PerfDave | paulswm: Hmm, I've never seen anybody here actually *recommend* sid to a newbie. |
| 19:50.09 | guestish | nvz: was pasting the model number :) |
| 19:50.11 | guestish | Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 NX External Audio Card |
| 19:50.18 | guestish | i gotta see if its linux supported before buying |
| 19:50.18 | Manoj_ | paulswm: and I am not sure I remember the last time things got really messed up |
| 19:50.20 | Zrin | * how to check if BenQ DW1620 DVD burner is usable with debian? |
| 19:50.23 | paulswm | thingfish: my stated view was *exactly* this, I quote the whole message: "unstable == unstable" |
| 19:50.30 | thingfish | right |
| 19:50.31 | asg | paulswm: sid has been relatively non-broken (in a critical way) for a bit. That doesn't alter the fact that sid has had such wonderful bugs as (removing linux gazette issue caused rm -Rf / to be run.) |
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| 19:50.39 | paulswm | and that got me in for a 15 minute pounding |
| 19:50.40 | guestish | nvz: might be too new :0 |
| 19:50.41 | guestish | :) |
| 19:50.43 | Shadur | Sid *is* okay to run. On a desktop box. By someone clued enough with debian package management to troubleshoot when someting breaks. |
| 19:50.46 | guestish | im hoping usb-audio works w/ it |
| 19:50.49 | nvz | guestish: tsk tsk.. I got one of those here |
| 19:50.51 | Manoj_ | paulswm: unstable == red hat releases, as some people point out |
| 19:50.53 | hmakholm | Manoj_: Right. But from there to actually recommending it to newbies is quite a way, right? |
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| 19:51.00 | esac | ok, when i mark evolution-exchange for install, and mark its deps. i get a an error, "could not mark all packages for installation or upgrade" "evolution-exchange |
| 19:51.01 | guestish | nvz: really? the usb one? |
| 19:51.02 | tarzeau | Shadur: it's ok to run. on anything when someone is clued |
| 19:51.02 | nvz | guestish: its just sitting around.. I should hook it up to something |
| 19:51.10 | Manoj_ | hmakholm: I would not recommend debian to newbies |
| 19:51.11 | guestish | nvz: would you mind seeing if it works? |
| 19:51.14 | nvz | guestish: yeah little tiny assed 5v usb doda with a remot |
| 19:51.19 | barby | hello where I can find info on gnome-volume-manager? I can't mount my cdrom : mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist |
| 19:51.20 | guestish | nvz: pretty much |
| 19:51.24 | hmakholm | Manoj_: Well. |
| 19:51.26 | dvs | Manoj_: I might when sarge releases |
| 19:51.27 | Manoj_ | for newbies, I would do them a service and point them to mandrake or suse |
| 19:51.28 | esac | ok, when i mark evolution-exchange for install, and mark its deps. i get a an error, "could not mark all packages for installation or upgrade" "evolution-exchange: Depends: libxml2 but 2.6.11-5 is to be installed" .. any idea how to fix that ? |
| 19:51.29 | thingfish | no, I wouldn't recommend debian to newbies either. |
| 19:51.30 | guestish | nvz: cause my soundcard's on the fritz and i gotta get a new one |
| 19:51.31 | barby | who creates that directory? |
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| 19:51.40 | nvz | guestish: I am sure it does, I would have to find the power and usb cables first.. I think they are in this box. |
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| 19:51.42 | guestish | nvz: and im getting a laptop next so why not get an external soundcard? :) |
| 19:51.49 | nvz | yeah no kidding |
| 19:51.50 | lesshaste | can anyone play http://www.archive.org/stream/mitocw.18.03.f03.videolectures/mit-ocw-18.03-lec33-09may2003-220k.rm ? |
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| 19:51.56 | guestish | nvz: well alsa doesnt list it, so i dont know |
| 19:51.57 | paulswm | Manoj_: yes, but the view was that sid was fine to run. It usually is, but when it does break, it can break in interesting an non-trivial ways |
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| 19:52.06 | guestish | nvz: common, you can do it! |
| 19:52.08 | tarzeau | lesshaste: no i can't |
| 19:52.12 | guestish | nvz: that or mail it to me, lol |
| 19:52.13 | lesshaste | tarzeau, what did you try? |
| 19:52.17 | horrovac | Anyway, in case that the apt-get upgrade caused the damage by screwing up lilo.conf: is there a way to force apt to *leave my bloody kernel conf alone* ??? |
| 19:52.18 | dnb | how can i search a command in all user's history file ? |
| 19:52.18 | nite613 | hah, break in an "interesting" way |
| 19:52.25 | tarzeau | lesshaste: nothing. there's no real player for linux/powerpc |
| 19:52.27 | Manoj_ | paulswm: quite. but so can testing -- only stable releases are known to be really well tested |
| 19:52.29 | guestish | nvz: just hook it up and and hotplug it |
| 19:52.30 | lesshaste | tarzeau, mplayer? |
| 19:52.37 | lesshaste | tarzeau, ah.. no codec |
| 19:52.41 | Manoj_ | paulswm: and stable is too stale to run at the moment on new hardware |
| 19:52.44 | guestish | nvz: you sure its the same model? |
| 19:52.47 | tarzeau | lesshaste: i'd rather ask the author of that .rm to release an mpeg or so |
| 19:52.56 | lesshaste | tarzeau, I didn't ask if everyone could play it :) |
| 19:52.57 | thingfish | that's a lot of my problem, I have somewhat newish hardware. |
| 19:53.02 | Manoj_ | paulswm: so newbies should really be steered to suse, and experienced people can run sid |
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| 19:53.20 | tarzeau | lesshaste: do you work at real.com ? |
| 19:53.25 | GlitchMaster | Heya. |
| 19:53.27 | dvs | horrovac: wait a minute. I thought apt-get doesn't automatically upgrade kernel-images ?!/ |
| 19:53.29 | burd | I think the problem is just like this guy I helped last night.. he installed stable, did some searching with apt, came back today and goes "this software is all a year old" and planned on compiling crap into it.. myself I'm in no hurry for sarge to become stable but I think this is a factor |
| 19:53.29 | Manoj_ | this is not about competition, we should really be looking for the users best interest |
| 19:53.29 | lesshaste | tarzeau, sorry? |
| 19:53.30 | paulswm | Manoj_: you are kind of missing the point - testing is much less risky than sid |
| 19:53.37 | GlitchMaster | ...Wait... why did I join, again? |
| 19:53.38 | thingfish | I've been running linux since 1999, somehow I've managed to learn almost nothing though. ;) |
| 19:53.39 | GlitchMaster | I've forgotten. |
| 19:53.39 | Manoj_ | and running debian is not really for novices |
| 19:53.40 | GlitchMaster | -.- |
| 19:53.46 | nvz | guestish: well its right here in my pocket, I just found half the power coord, so I am in the right box =P |
| 19:53.49 | tarzeau | lesshaste: it was just an impression |
| 19:53.52 | guestish | nvz: heh |
| 19:53.54 | guestish | nvz: k |
| 19:54.01 | Manoj_ | paulswm: I beg to differ. testing has broken more often for me than sid |
| 19:54.02 | lesshaste | tarzeau, are you a mystic? |
| 19:54.04 | guestish | nvz: i wonder if it works with usb 1.x... |
| 19:54.09 | tarzeau | thingfish: hey i started in 1999 too! |
| 19:54.15 | asg | dvs: it does if you have the kernel image virtual package installed (kernel-image-2.x-y-[386|686] for example) |
| 19:54.17 | Manoj_ | paulswm: and until recently, testing got security fixes far more slowly |
| 19:54.18 | nvz | guestish: Creative Labs Model No. SB0300 |
| 19:54.19 | thingfish | yay for 1999-ers! |
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| 19:54.24 | horrovac | dvs: I don't know, I usually run gentoo - my Debianite colleagues say that the apt-get upgrade did somehow manage to screw up either the kernel, or the lilo.conf. |
| 19:54.25 | nvz | guestish: heh |
| 19:54.25 | paulswm | Manoj_: you I think are deliberately missing the point. I've found you an argument, but, respectfully, I'm not obliged to find you and understanding |
| 19:54.30 | paulswm | *an |
| 19:54.37 | PerfDave | Running Debian is fine for novices. Running Debian sid isn't. |
| 19:54.43 | nvz | guestish: we'll soon find out =P |
| 19:54.45 | doat | nvz: i connected to my shell with the debian box with ssh now |
| 19:54.45 | Manoj_ | paulswm: I submit your argument is incorrect |
| 19:54.46 | guestish | nvz: heh, k |
| 19:54.49 | thingfish | that's a good statement, PerfDave. |
| 19:55.01 | doat | nvz: but i cant get irssi with apt-get |
| 19:55.03 | dvs | asg: So if you uninstall the virtual package, it won't be upgraded? |
| 19:55.06 | tarzeau | lesshaste: no i'm not someone who believes in the existence of realities beyond human comprehension |
| 19:55.11 | doat | nvz: it says "unknown command irssi" |
| 19:55.11 | PerfDave | And neither testing nor sid have security updates. |
| 19:55.19 | PerfDave | !faq doat |
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| 19:55.21 | dpkg | doat: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:55.26 | asg | dvs: not unless a new version of the particular kernel package you have installed is updated |
| 19:55.29 | lesshaste | tarzeau, nice to know. Not sure why you answered my original question to be honest |
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| 19:55.39 | Manoj_ | paulswm: testing is less likely to get really critical fixes fast, and though packages are delayed before getting to testing, that in itself does not mean that they are significantly less buggy |
| 19:55.42 | doat | PerfDave: i dont have a web browser ;D |
| 19:55.50 | horrovac | dvs: Something about a conflict with the kernel installed with make-kpkg (which *did* seem to have updated lilo), and with the old kernel image installed before that. |
| 19:55.52 | lesshaste | tarzeau, I actually asked you if you were a mystic but thanks for the random piece of information too |
| 19:55.56 | tarzeau | lesshaste: i just wanted to show you how much users can't use .rm |
| 19:55.57 | PerfDave | doat: install one |
| 19:56.04 | lesshaste | tarzeau, how much? |
| 19:56.05 | abrotman | joey hess made a page of security issues in testing |
| 19:56.07 | tarzeau | lesshaste: and that there should be other formats of whatever material that url contained |
| 19:56.07 | doat | i cant cause apt-get isnt working |
| 19:56.08 | nvz | doat: I am sure unless you typed "apt-get irssi" it said nothing of the sort, try "apt-get install irssi-text" |
| 19:56.12 | tarzeau | lesshaste: very much. me |
| 19:56.14 | asg | abrotman: he's had it up for a while now |
| 19:56.19 | Manoj_ | add to that the log-jams that occur while things try to migrate into testing, and partial migrations of things like gnome and kde, sid begins to look more and more appealing. |
| 19:56.20 | guestish | nvz: so, any luck? :) |
| 19:56.25 | resiak | <question type="lame"> Is there any good reason why sessions I logged out of still show up in finger, but not in w? </question> |
| 19:56.26 | dvs | horrovac: that's what --append-to-version is for. |
| 19:56.28 | PerfDave | doat: "man apt-get" |
| 19:56.30 | abrotman | asg: i know .. i was just commenting |
| 19:56.34 | nvz | doat: make it "apt-get install irssi-text links screen" heh |
| 19:56.38 | doat | PerfDave: tried that one too |
| 19:56.43 | abrotman | !nutate |
| 19:56.44 | GlitchMaster | Hey... while I'm trying to think of my real question... um... |
| 19:56.47 | tarzeau | nvz: make that a links2 |
| 19:56.50 | PerfDave | doat: And what happened? |
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| 19:56.57 | nvz | tarzeau: whatever pulls your wagon |
| 19:57.02 | doat | nvz: ok brb |
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| 19:57.08 | lesshaste | tarzeau, you know there is realplay for ppc don't you? |
| 19:57.09 | thingfish | hey, I've been blown away, I mean sid is the best linux I've ever run. |
| 19:57.09 | nvz | guestish: I just got all the 3 coords I need to hook it up |
| 19:57.14 | guestish | nvz: cool |
| 19:57.20 | doat | nvz: umm.. how can i close ssh? |
| 19:57.24 | tarzeau | lesshaste: no? where? |
| 19:57.27 | thingfish | coming from fedora, I'm not used to everything working. |
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| 19:57.34 | guestish | doat: uh, exit? |
| 19:57.38 | nvz | guestish: I already got an SB Awe32 or something PCI card hooked up here to my bose |
| 19:57.40 | tarzeau | lesshaste: ppc linux? free software? |
| 19:57.41 | doat | ok |
| 19:57.42 | horrovac | dvs: I don't know, I just did what my Debianite colleauges told me, assuming they'll know what they're telling me. I'd have done it the good, old way - copy the bzImage, edit lilo.conf, exec lilo, blah.. |
| 19:57.48 | nvz | doat: exit? |
| 19:57.56 | vaggy | How do i check if a modem is supportet in debian? |
| 19:57.57 | guestish | nvz: alsa lets you hook up multiple cards |
| 19:57.57 | lesshaste | tarzeau, not free. |
| 19:58.05 | guestish | nvz: you just gotta specify the number |
| 19:58.17 | thingfish | man, this raining in the wintertime stuff sucks. |
| 19:58.17 | asg | vaggy: google is usually the best bet |
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| 19:58.20 | horrovac | dvs: By the way, I think there was something with --append in it while I was doing it... |
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| 19:58.25 | dvs | horrovac: whoever did the original custom kernel should have used the --append-to-version option to avoid any conflict with stock Debian kernels. |
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| 19:58.31 | GlitchMaster | I'm obviously not a UNIX user, but I'm a fan of the OS (everyone should have respect for it). I have an inquiry regarding where I might find an original copy of a text documentation file from Unix 1.0. You see, I have the Star Wars xscreensaver, and I'd love to have it display the original UNIX 1.0 "readme" file, if such a thing exists. I figure somebody here might be a good information source for this. Googling gives me hun |
| 19:58.31 | GlitchMaster | dreds of pages of crap results. |
| 19:58.32 | abrotman | thingfish: would you rather 3ft of snow? |
| 19:58.34 | asg | vaggy: if it's external and says U.S. Robotics on it, it is likely supported well. |
| 19:58.44 | tarzeau | GlitchMaster: OS being OPENSTEP? |
| 19:58.47 | lesshaste | tarzeau, mplayer for example works |
| 19:58.48 | nvz | guestish: bleh you would be here for a long time waiting on me to figure that shit out.. I'll be back shortly going to make some system changes since you mentioned that. |
| 19:58.48 | asg | abrotman: I would |
| 19:58.51 | thingfish | abrotman: without ice? yes. |
| 19:58.56 | guestish | nvz: k |
| 19:58.56 | abrotman | asg: you're screwed .. you live in NC |
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| 19:59.04 | GlitchMaster | tarzeau: No, OS being "Operating System". |
| 19:59.04 | tarzeau | GlitchMaster: you want to read the unix-haters handbook |
| 19:59.06 | lesshaste | tarzeau, http://web.njit.edu/all_topics/Prog_Lang_Docs/html/mplayer/codecs.html |
| 19:59.09 | abrotman | course .. i don't think i've seen the sun in a week |
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| 19:59.11 | asg | abrotman: yeah but last Feb, we got almost 2 feet (unheard of) |
| 19:59.16 | guestish | nvz: k, i gues i'll wait |
| 19:59.24 | vaggy | asg: i dont got the moden card yet but its a Rockwell Modem 56K.. I wanna check if its supportet in Debian before i buy it |
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| 19:59.26 | abrotman | asg: so far .. philly has gotten about 1/2 inch |
| 19:59.31 | asg | abrotman: and I don't live in the mountains |
| 19:59.36 | horrovac | dvs: So what you're saying is basically that with this, apt-get upgrade shouldn't have caused the trouble? And you're saying that my custom kernel got overwritten by a stock kernel during the upgrade? |
| 19:59.40 | asg | abrotman: it's been in the 70s here for 2 weeks. |
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| 19:59.54 | guestish | nvz: well can you just hook it up to see if its detected and a driver is loaded? thats all i really wanna know |
| 19:59.56 | asg | vaggy: if you can find out whether it's a winmodem or not, that would be helpful. |
| 19:59.58 | lesshaste | tarzeau, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/codecs.html#realvideo |
| 20:00.02 | nvz | guestish: I only got 2.4.27 on here. but this irc is running though screen session on another box |
| 20:00.03 | abrotman | asg: i'm coming to visit! |
| 20:00.05 | asg | vaggy: if it isn't a winmodem, it should work |
| 20:00.09 | asg | abrotman: heh |
| 20:00.19 | abrotman | asg: actually .. i have a friend i'm to visit ..in .. Greensburg i think .. near you? |
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| 20:00.29 | dvs | horrovac: if the custom kernel had it's own version, then apt-get wouldn't have overwritten the custom kernel with a stock kernel |
| 20:00.31 | asg | abrotman: Greensboro? |
| 20:00.36 | nvz | guestish: I dont use alsa, I could load it up and tell you no active driver claimed it and what the product id is, and see if the OSS emu10k1 drives it =P |
| 20:00.36 | asg | abrotman: NC or SC? |
| 20:00.39 | tarzeau | lesshaste: and those work on non-i386? |
| 20:00.47 | GlitchMaster | tarzeau: There would be no Linux, no Mac OS X, BSD or virtually anything else without UNIX. It is the root of every decent OS I can think of... They all have roots in UNIX. Some sort of base. |
| 20:00.52 | lesshaste | tarzeau, did you follow the link? |
| 20:00.58 | guestish | nvz: ok, if it does that works too :) |
| 20:01.10 | abrotman | asg: NC .. but not greensboro .. |
| 20:01.11 | lesshaste | tarzeau, "RealPlayer libraries currently only work with Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD and Cygwin on the x86, Alpha and PowerPC (Linux/Alpha and Linux/PowerPC have been tested) platforms and with Mac OS X." |
| 20:01.12 | GlitchMaster | It's not that I like using UNIX or anything like that, and I never have. I'm just very respectful of it. |
| 20:01.14 | tarzeau | GlitchMaster: why do you tell me that? |
| 20:01.18 | guestish | nvz: if you are using a stock kernel the alsa drivers are in like alsa-driver-2.4.27 |
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| 20:01.24 | tarzeau | GlitchMaster: there would be no windows if unix marketing didn't blow up! |
| 20:01.30 | asg | abrotman: hmmm, dunno then. Just ask your friend how far from Charlotte they are. |
| 20:01.37 | GlitchMaster | tarzeau: You act as if you hate UNIX. Why? |
| 20:01.40 | abrotman | asg: Greenville i think |
| 20:01.45 | asg | abrotman: ah |
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| 20:01.51 | abrotman | asg: east of raleigh |
| 20:01.51 | tarzeau | GlitchMaster: the unix haters book is fun! |
| 20:01.53 | Manoj_ | GlitchMaster: I guess you'll love Multics even more, since there would have been no UNIX were it not for Multics |
| 20:01.57 | abrotman | at least .. i think that's it |
| 20:02.00 | dvs | guestish: alsa-modules-2.4.27 |
| 20:02.01 | waynegrow | how do i add something to startup? |
| 20:02.03 | asg | abrotman: yeah, that's about 2 to 4 hours or so away iirc |
| 20:02.06 | tarzeau | GlitchMaster: i don't hate unix. but i surely hate some things of it, yes |
| 20:02.10 | guestish | nvz: alsa-modules then |
| 20:02.11 | abrotman | asg: eep |
| 20:02.14 | GlitchMaster | Manoj: Really? I've not even heard of that. Wow. |
| 20:02.15 | paulswm | Manoj_: apologies, I didn't really come here to rehash the sid/sarge/woody merits discussion, I'm sure you didn't either, been a long day, is all |
| 20:02.27 | asg | abrotman: let me check mapquest |
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| 20:02.45 | GlitchMaster | I didn't feel like tabbing. |
| 20:02.47 | vaggy | asg: but arent there anyway to check in debian ore on a website if a specefik hardware is supportet? |
| 20:02.49 | guestish | nvz: looks like USB 1.x works for all but 24 bit sound |
| 20:02.56 | guestish | nvz: and i dunno how important that is |
| 20:02.57 | nvz | guestish: bah, i think that's it |
| 20:02.58 | Manoj_ | paulswm: that's OK. I guess we did end up presenting different views, so people can make up their own minds ;-) |
| 20:03.05 | nvz | grr |
| 20:03.08 | lesshaste | tarzeau, comments? I have to go |
| 20:03.09 | nvz | damn mice |
| 20:03.09 | guestish | nvz: ? |
| 20:03.10 | gahan | hello i got sata disk, if i enable new driver for intel ICH5 controller under SCSI menu in 2.4.28 or 2.6.10 do i need to change /etc/fstab : /dev/hdaX to /dev/sdaX? |
| 20:03.13 | waynegrow | as usual no help....... |
| 20:03.17 | horrovac | dvs: Ok, thanks. That sounds logical. |
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| 20:03.23 | The_Vulture | vaggy: debian doesn't really need one, it's more an issue for the linux kernel and modules, and there are lists for that |
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| 20:03.28 | dvs | gahan: no |
| 20:03.30 | Manoj_ | vaggy: hardware support is mostly a kernel, or at least a distro agnostic, issue |
| 20:03.33 | The_Vulture | or whatever oter kernel you might be running |
| 20:03.35 | dvs | horrovac: no prob. |
| 20:03.36 | Doat^ | nvz: i cant be connected to internet with both computers at the sametime so the ssh thing probably couldnt work? |
| 20:03.38 | asg | abrotman: yeah, 4 hours (248 miles) |
| 20:03.38 | guestish | nvz: whats up? |
| 20:03.45 | abrotman | asg: no .. Greensboro |
| 20:03.49 | Manoj_ | vaggy: so if the hardware is supported by linux, it should work in Debian |
| 20:03.52 | nvz | guestish: so far all I got is Creative(0x41e) and some unclaimed product(0x3020) |
| 20:03.58 | abrotman | asg: i was rong .. it's greensboro |
| 20:04.01 | GlitchMaster | ANYWAY, I was wondering if anyone here has any idea where I might find such documentation. |
| 20:04.01 | tarzeau | lesshaste: i have linux on sparc! |
| 20:04.06 | tarzeau | lesshaste: real sucks! |
| 20:04.06 | nvz | guestish: that was a damn paste screw up :p |
| 20:04.11 | Active2 | i'm using ldap for my accounts, but when doing as root id lookups it's slow as hell, i've found out that it bypasses the nscd and then directly looks into ldap, and that takes around 1.5 seconds |
| 20:04.11 | tarzeau | lesshaste: you can go now |
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| 20:04.15 | lesshaste | tarzeau, mplayer works on that too |
| 20:04.16 | Manoj_ | GlitchMaster: the mighty google would proibably know more |
| 20:04.18 | asg | abrotman: 1 hr 35 minutes, 94 miles |
| 20:04.25 | tarzeau | lesshaste: with rm? |
| 20:04.26 | paulswm | Manoj_: yeah, true, anyway I hope yours stays in one piece :) |
| 20:04.28 | tarzeau | lesshaste: and on hppa? |
| 20:04.31 | lesshaste | tarzeau, funny how powerpc changed to sparc |
| 20:04.31 | abrotman | asg: from you to greensboro? |
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| 20:04.33 | nvz | Doat^: you dont have any means of sharing a net connection? |
| 20:04.34 | Active2 | someone know why root bypasses the nscd deamon ? |
| 20:04.35 | guestish | nvz: Creative your other card? |
| 20:04.36 | tarzeau | lesshaste: i'm sure it won't work on hppa |
| 20:04.37 | guestish | nvz: heh, k |
| 20:04.38 | asg | abrotman: or greensboro to me |
| 20:04.40 | tarzeau | lesshaste: i have both! |
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| 20:04.44 | lesshaste | tarzeau, try to be more positive next time :) |
| 20:04.46 | Manoj_ | paulswm: I've been running unstable since '94 |
| 20:04.49 | tarzeau | lesshaste: damn. can't i have two computers or more? |
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| 20:04.53 | abrotman | asg: that's not too bad .. you're outside raleigh? |
| 20:04.54 | asg | abrotman: that's general though since I live on the southeast side of Charlotte |
| 20:05.10 | nvz | guestish: no thats from the USB bus when I plug it in I get those two IDs |
| 20:05.26 | asg | abrotman: about 2 hours or so south of Raleigh |
| 20:05.26 | abrotman | asg: gotcha |
| 20:05.27 | Doat^ | nvz: well.. the modem only has a place for one but could i connect the debian box and windows box with an rj45 cable? |
| 20:05.43 | Manoj_ | paulswm: well, we didn't really have stable/unstable dichotomy back then, but you know what I mean |
| 20:05.46 | guestish | nvz: oh, ok |
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| 20:05.48 | paulswm | Manoj_: that's a couple years longer than I've been running testing, was running Xenix on a 4MB 25MHz 386 before that :) |
| 20:05.49 | abrotman | asg: http://tinyurl.com/4f3sn |
| 20:05.51 | Doat^ | nvz: i have a pci network adapter in my debian box too |
| 20:05.56 | guestish | nvz: looks like it uses an alsa only driver then |
| 20:06.07 | guestish | nvz: i think its snd-usb-audio |
| 20:06.12 | alys | Doat^: how about installing a two-port router? |
| 20:06.26 | Doat^ | i dont have one |
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| 20:06.41 | paulswm | s/testing/potato/ I think |
| 20:06.42 | nvz | guestish: yeah well it will be anyhow after I install a newer kernel image |
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| 20:06.48 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
| 20:06.51 | abrotman | asg: wow .. i can get nonstop from phl to greensboro |
| 20:06.54 | guestish | nvz: k |
| 20:06.57 | guestish | nvz: sounds good |
| 20:07.24 | asg | abrotman: cool |
| 20:07.33 | guestish | nvz: from browsing the web that's the right id number for it, but looks like there is various results as far as quality |
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| 20:07.52 | Doat^ | anyway how can i share the connection with debian? |
| 20:08.03 | tarzeau | Doat^: yes |
| 20:08.03 | asg | abrotman: and it will be much cheaper. Do not fly into Charlotte unless you have to, you'll pay probably 30 to 40% more |
| 20:08.07 | citral | Doat^: iptables |
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| 20:08.29 | abrotman | asg: well .. she lives in greensboro .. so it'd be good for her to pick me up |
| 20:08.29 | tarzeau | citral: it also works without iptables |
| 20:08.34 | asg | abrotman: yep |
| 20:08.56 | abrotman | airplane tickets are weird |
| 20:09.00 | guestish | nvz: i wish you could test the sound, but if you cant thats fine |
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| 20:09.03 | citral | yeah, but without a firewall it's just... stupid |
| 20:09.08 | guestish | nvz: with like a pair of headphones or something |
| 20:09.23 | The_Vulture | Doat^: the ipmasq package perhaps |
| 20:09.27 | tarzeau | citral: bah! that's not true |
| 20:09.31 | citral | so let's use iptables for NAT + firewalling |
| 20:09.37 | tarzeau | citral: without a firewall it's not limited! |
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| 20:09.53 | citral | ipmasq uses NAT + very secure firewall |
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| 20:10.08 | tarzeau | citral: he wants to share internet. not security |
| 20:10.12 | tarzeau | citral: or a firewall |
| 20:10.16 | citral | tarzeau: I know what you mean |
| 20:10.21 | guestish | i wonder if its my speakers... |
| 20:10.28 | burd | doat: if you are a new debian user I would suggest doing it backwards and running internet connection sharing on windows and running the debian through it.. otherwise your going to be whacking at that for a while |
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| 20:10.39 | guestish | actually it cant be, cause my headphones buzz with both the card and speakers |
| 20:10.50 | abrotman | burd: it's really not that hard |
| 20:10.53 | The_Vulture | burd: I wouldn't suggest that - it's really not that hard |
| 20:10.54 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 20:10.54 | dpkg | IP masquerading allows several machines to share one Internet connection. Learn about it at http://jgo.local.net/LinuxGuide/linux-ip-masq.html or don't mix the slink ipmasq deb and a 2.2.x kernel, or available at ipmasq.cjb.net, or ipmasq package is evil, before coming here to ask help with unexpected network problems, first remove it! See also: masq |
| 20:11.01 | nvz | guestish: only way I could test it is by maybe running something through it.. preamped audio or something. I just need to update my links and reboot this 1.8ghz P4 w/ 512MB RamBUS ram.. I dont think it will take long |
| 20:11.12 | The_Vulture | even without ipmasq you can just do a raw iptables script with the ip masquerading howto on tldp.org |
| 20:11.18 | guestish | nvz: nice system, yeah shouldnt take too long |
| 20:11.22 | The_Vulture | which isn't impossibly hard to use |
| 20:11.22 | citral | other said, ipmasq blocks everything incoming connection request by default, it's pretty good |
| 20:11.34 | citral | s/everything/every/ |
| 20:12.01 | sepski | doat, apt-get install shorewall, it gives you firewall and sharing in a very easy way |
| 20:12.15 | nvz | guestish: especially since it seems my links were updated properly during install, and I wrote lilo, and the system is going down for reboot now! |
| 20:12.16 | sepski | and there are tutorials that a child can follow on it's homepage |
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| 20:12.38 | sepski | youll have it up and running in less then 30 minutes if you can read basic instructions, and its very secure |
| 20:12.38 | guestish | nvz: k |
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| 20:12.48 | citral | I found a very handy tool, that is called jay's iptables firewall. It totally suits the needs of a friend that uses debian as firewall/router and windows boxes behind |
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| 20:13.04 | ongia | hey people |
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| 20:13.17 | ongia | i installed bittorent but how do i launch the program? |
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| 20:13.33 | citral | ongia: btdownlodcurses, btlaunchmanycurses |
| 20:13.42 | abrotman | ongia: bt<tab><tab> |
| 20:13.45 | abrotman | WiFiTux: ok |
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| 20:14.09 | EdibleTe2t | citral, is it configured via web interface? I need something like that for my computer semi-literate cousin |
| 20:14.14 | ongia | bash: bt: command not found |
| 20:14.19 | noroute | Does anyone know of a tool that creates KV-diagrams (logic)? |
| 20:14.22 | abrotman | ongia: hit tab twice .. |
| 20:14.27 | citral | EdibleTe2t: ncurses menus |
| 20:14.29 | abrotman | fall |
| 20:14.30 | guestish | friggin sound card...why'd you have to break... |
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| 20:14.48 | abrotman | guestish: maybe your ears are the problem |
| 20:14.55 | EdibleTe2t | citral, oh that requires two braincells. |
| 20:14.59 | WiFiTux | abrotman, past? |
| 20:15.01 | citral | EdibleTe2t: that means you need to undurstand what port forward and so is, but... |
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| 20:15.07 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i suppose .. |
| 20:15.07 | ongia | abrotman: it worked |
| 20:15.13 | citral | EdibleTe2t: yeah :) |
| 20:15.13 | abrotman | ongia: i know |
| 20:15.16 | ongia | thanks |
| 20:15.20 | punto | hi.. is there a way to tell dpkg-buildpackage to exclude some files from the packages it creates? |
| 20:15.27 | WiFiTux | abrotman, anyway, drop into the nap :-> |
| 20:15.34 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i'm at work |
| 20:15.50 | WiFiTux | abrotman, oh, where do you work? |
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| 20:16.05 | PerfDave | punto: What sort of files? |
| 20:16.09 | stew | punto: you'd have to edit debian/rules |
| 20:16.12 | stew | i think |
| 20:16.12 | abrotman | WiFiTux: in philly |
| 20:16.15 | ongia | thanks guys! :) |
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| 20:16.17 | abrotman | or outside of it i guess |
| 20:16.34 | WiFiTux | abrotman, place, company. |
| 20:16.35 | jazzmanss | I was asking yesterday for assistance to figure out why my /home was filling up. I found the file that is consuming all my hdd, it's my .xsession-errors the problem now is, it's 10 gig, how do I look at small sections of this file as I can't open it in any text editor, it's too big. ? |
| 20:16.52 | prahal | CurryPork: hi |
| 20:16.56 | guestish | abrotman: uh... |
| 20:17.04 | prahal | CurryPork: had no news did yu fixed X ? |
| 20:17.13 | punto | PerfDave: like the .svn directories, and some files with custom build options, stuff like that |
| 20:17.21 | abrotman | guestish: no? |
| 20:17.37 | paulswm | jazzmans: you can look at it with 'less' or 'more' |
| 20:17.38 | PerfDave | punto: Not easily, probably. |
| 20:17.40 | guestish | yes |
| 20:17.54 | MerlinCorey | anyone speak yiddish? |
| 20:18.01 | guestish | no |
| 20:18.01 | PerfDave | jazzmanss: Kill your X server, delete the file, start X again. |
| 20:18.14 | jazzmanss | I know how to look at output through less or more, but how do I look at a txt file the same way? |
| 20:18.14 | PerfDave | jazzmanss: Then keep an eye on .xsession-errors and see what's being reported. |
| 20:18.25 | PerfDave | jazzmanss: "less file" |
| 20:18.34 | paulswm | jazzmans: man less, man more |
| 20:18.36 | MerlinCorey | I have a possible troll spammer on one of my sites pretending to be jewish... |
| 20:18.36 | punto | jazzmanss: with 'less' |
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| 20:18.48 | patois | hi |
| 20:18.48 | stew | punto: you *could* edit debian/rules and rm the files from debian/pkgname at the end of the install: target |
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| 20:18.57 | asg | MerlinCorey: then pipe all your output to him through /usr/games/chef |
| 20:19.25 | icry0000 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:19.28 | patois | Question: How can I probe the *real* cpu clock speed on my machine (my cpu is a K6-II), thanks. |
| 20:19.32 | punto | stew: but I want to exclude them from the source package too |
| 20:19.39 | guestish | nvz: you still here? |
| 20:19.51 | Nurbs | patois: what'd be the unreal clock speed? |
| 20:20.05 | Nurbs | patois: you can divide bogomips by 2 or look in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:20.07 | valdyn | patois: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 20:20.16 | patois | Nurbs: The static(?) value in /proc/cpuinfo, for example |
| 20:20.29 | valdyn | patois: thats not a static value |
| 20:20.33 | patois | Nurbs: How can IK cmpute bogomips ? |
| 20:20.50 | nvz | guestish: yeah |
| 20:20.55 | paulswm | patois: or you could use dmidecode probably |
| 20:20.58 | Nurbs | patois: dunno, but the kernel does on startup :) |
| 20:21.00 | guestish | nvz: k, just wondering :) |
| 20:21.09 | nvz | guestish: had to login out here, the network is being wierd in 2.6 =P |
| 20:21.20 | patois | Nurbs: well. I seek in /usr/src/linux ? :-) |
| 20:21.22 | guestish | nvz: oh = |
| 20:21.32 | guestish | nvz: any luck with sound "card"? :) |
| 20:21.33 | patois | paulswm: What is this ? |
| 20:21.56 | nvz | guestish: I got some sit0 device for ipv6-to-ipv4 or something, and my eth0 doesnt seem to come up with the tulip driver anymore =P |
| 20:21.58 | valdyn | Nurbs: deviding bogomips by 2 is only true for certain cpu |
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| 20:22.09 | paulswm | dmidecode is a program which dumps all the DMI data from the BIOS |
| 20:22.13 | Nurbs | valdyn: any x86 I have seen so far, but yeah. :) |
| 20:22.14 | guestish | nvz: uh, hrm, thats why i dont use precompiled ones :) |
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| 20:22.36 | Doat^ | ok i installed shorewall. how can i share the connection now? |
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| 20:22.38 | gahan | if i switch from old sata driver to a new one, do i have to change fstab : /dev/hda to /dev/sda ? |
| 20:22.40 | guestish | nvz: you cant unload the ipv6 but it doesnt hurt anything, as far as tulip i have no clue |
| 20:22.41 | patois | paulswm: hum, I dont want to reboot- |
| 20:22.44 | paulswm | patois: dmidecode is a program which dumps all the DMI data from the BIOS, including your CPU speed |
| 20:22.46 | nvz | guestish: well I installed uhci-hcd snd-usb-audio snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss, got the mixer open, see a pcm and a pcm2, thats it |
| 20:22.49 | Nurbs | patois: really, use one of the other ways :) but I'm not sure what you want... on a k6-II the clock speed is kinda constant :) |
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| 20:22.53 | nvz | guestish: not much luck getting sound |
| 20:23.02 | paulswm | patois: you don't have to reboot, ujust install dmidecode and run it |
| 20:23.02 | guestish | nvz: it plugged in? |
| 20:23.09 | guestish | nvz: do you have mplayer? |
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| 20:23.28 | patois | Nurbs: at 8am this morning something strange appened to my system. Everything is now far slower |
| 20:23.46 | nvz | guestish: I dont know, probably xine.. but I used the nvidia binaries, so you can imagine they wont work unless i run the binary and clean the shit out. |
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| 20:23.47 | dvs | patois: uninstall Windows. |
| 20:23.49 | patois | paulswm: But BIOS values are static, not real time computed |
| 20:23.53 | guestish | nvz: hrm... |
| 20:23.57 | asg | patois: run 'top'; is anything using an inordinate amount of cpu/mem? |
| 20:23.59 | guestish | nvz: sec |
| 20:24.06 | stew | punto: then just remove them from the source directory before you run dpkg-buildpackage and they wont be in either the source or binary debs |
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| 20:24.12 | guestish | nvz: install alsaplayer |
| 20:24.13 | patois | dvs: which windows ? |
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| 20:24.18 | guestish | nvz: alsaplayer-alsa actually |
| 20:24.25 | dvs | patois: I was just kidding. |
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| 20:24.41 | stew | punto: they will be in the .orig.tar.gz if this is a non native but the .diff will show them as being removed |
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| 20:24.44 | patois | asg: no, top is using 12% of cpu itself, which is definitly strange |
| 20:24.46 | mirak | hi |
| 20:24.46 | guestish | nvz: if you can get the network up... |
| 20:24.52 | Nurbs | patois: most likely some other error. checked dmesg output? changed your kernel in between? checked syslog? free space? CPU usage? DMA still enabled for disks? got enough free memory or is something leaking? |
| 20:25.00 | jeaneid | where are talk and finger commands? I get the following -bash: talk: command not found |
| 20:25.06 | Nurbs | patois: tried rebooting? :) |
| 20:25.12 | patois | Nurbs: I cant for now. |
| 20:25.18 | guestish | nvz: you can use it to specify soundcards |
| 20:25.19 | moshii | jeaneid: you have to install finger, I know that ;) |
| 20:25.28 | Delph | jeaneid: they are things to install, i imagine |
| 20:25.33 | asg | patois: what's you memory consumption? does 'vmstat 5' show large wa values after a few lines or (cpu * 2) in the 'r' or 'b' columns |
| 20:25.41 | mirak | does the mails in maildir imap folders have a unique name ? I would like to merge to maildir folders, I am not sure if this can work without conflicts or breakage |
| 20:25.56 | jeaneid | Delph and moshii: the problem is I do not know what package to install |
| 20:25.59 | mirak | two/to |
| 20:26.05 | patois | Nurbs: freeded memory, didnt rebooted the last 40 days, many oppened files reported by lsof (more than usual) but cant point what could be resonponsible |
| 20:26.08 | moshii | jeaneid: finger is in the package finger |
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| 20:26.22 | guestish | nvz: alsaplayer -d hw:0,1 iirc |
| 20:26.23 | fat | does anyone had trouble installing the latest nvidia drivers on woody? |
| 20:26.27 | Delph | jeaneid: "apt-cache search finger" |
| 20:26.35 | paulswm | jeaneid: the packages are 'finger' and 'talk' |
| 20:26.54 | patois | asg: 1 0 8864 4548 79692 101232 0 0 0 2 104 178 90 10 0 0 |
| 20:26.55 | jeaneid | all: apologies for my stupidity |
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| 20:27.06 | patois | ags: does that looks strange to you ? |
| 20:27.09 | paulswm | jeaneid: np |
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| 20:27.25 | asg | patois: it indicates 100% cpu usage |
| 20:27.30 | asg | patois: 90% user, 10% system |
| 20:27.50 | asg | patois: the '1' in the first field indicates at least one process is in the run state at the time the vmstat image was taken |
| 20:28.12 | asg | patois: it '1' continues on every line thereafter, you probably have a hung process |
| 20:28.23 | guestish | nvz: wel i guess its supported...any luck w/ sound? |
| 20:28.27 | deadManA | When you install debian, it asks you for rendering option (LCD or CRT). I selected a wrong one and want to change it now. Can anyone suggest me how to get that dialog again and change the rendering option?? Thanks |
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| 20:28.41 | citral | deadManA: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:28.47 | punto | stew: oh, there's a -I option to exclude files from the source package.. I guess I'll delete the rest on the install target |
| 20:28.49 | patois | asg: not stuck: that's my mrtg (runs every 5mn) but this wasnt eating so much *befoire* |
| 20:28.50 | ecko | Hi is anyone else running udev having a problem with /dev/pts not getting mounted at boot automagically? |
| 20:29.04 | patois | asg: and top didnt took 10% cpu too... |
| 20:29.04 | asg | patois: hmmm |
| 20:29.06 | deadManA | citra thanks, but I tried it and didnt ask me that |
| 20:29.15 | citral | deadManA: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:29.24 | deadManA | thanks i will try and let you know |
| 20:29.31 | crypt | ecko i'm using udev and it seems to work |
| 20:29.40 | crypt | ok, it works for me |
| 20:30.07 | patois | asg: that's why a way to probe the *real* performance of my system *now* would be helpful: do I still have a K6-II/450 ? |
| 20:30.16 | patois | asg: this is a pretty old machine... |
| 20:30.44 | asg | patois: well, vmstat is your best bet for gauging performance |
| 20:30.50 | patois | asg: I wouldnt be surprised if something on the motherboard burned leaving an half clocked cpu or memory bus or whatever |
| 20:31.13 | patois | asg: it only gives *relavive* values, no ? |
| 20:31.46 | moshii | patois: x86info will estimate your cpu's clock speed.. |
| 20:31.53 | asg | patois: in this case, yes. You can't determine that your cpu might be running at 1/2 speed from these values. |
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| 20:32.05 | moshii | patois: x86info -mhz ^^ |
| 20:32.10 | patois | moshii: thanks I'll have alook |
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| 20:32.35 | guestish | nvz: hello?? |
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| 20:33.00 | Sababa | hello there , i recently moved from DHCP based cable connection to a lan with a router |
| 20:33.05 | paulswm | patois: you can always run gkrellm, it shows me real-time the cpu speeds on my boxes, including a 350MHz K6-II (as I write, running at 345MHz) |
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| 20:33.14 | Sababa | but my debian box cannot ping the router , how can i make it comunicate and get it online ? |
| 20:33.15 | fofos | What makes it better to have initrd support ? |
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| 20:33.30 | patois | paulswm: looks liike gkrell is using the x86 stiff |
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| 20:33.38 | paulswm | patois: yes |
| 20:33.43 | asg | fofos: modularizing kernel code that is required to boot |
| 20:33.46 | patois | moshii helped me with this I install it now :-) |
| 20:33.46 | burd | Sababa: did the debian box use dhcp before? |
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| 20:33.53 | nvz | guestish: eh? |
| 20:33.56 | ArCHoNKoG | is there anywhere i can find all the repository for debian sid |
| 20:33.59 | deadManA | citra i tried it and there is no change.. I am looking for the initial config option where you have three options for rendering. One for CRT, one autorender and one for LCD. I selected auto and it is not rendering properly in my LCD monitor. |
| 20:34.02 | fofos | humm |
| 20:34.08 | Sababa | <burd> yeah , but not on start up only on manualy control |
| 20:34.10 | streuner_ | fofos: /msg dpkg initrd |
| 20:34.11 | WiFiTux | patois, haha |
| 20:34.14 | fofos | okay, thanks |
| 20:34.17 | Sababa | but i am not useing DHCP anymore . |
| 20:34.20 | asg | fofos: generally, if you don't need it, it will likely be more trouble than it's worth. |
| 20:34.24 | WiFiTux | patois, speack patois boi? |
| 20:34.24 | nvz | guestish: I dont have alsa packages installed, and there is that network problem :P |
| 20:34.41 | hudson2 | Hi, deb newbie here. I found instructions to install sid/sarge packages on woody by compiling them from the source, with apt-get build-dep <package> and apt-get -b source <package>. The instructions say apt-get build-dep will try to satisfy dependencies from sources as well, but that doesn't seem to be the case - I have to keep recursing the process. Is there something I'm missing? |
| 20:34.44 | Manoj_ | fofos: if you have a generic kernel, and need to provide for lots of hardware types (like debian does), the kernel can get huge -- so you do modules. but if you don't know what fs the root file system is on, and you do not want to build all kinds of file systrems in the kernel, you need an initrd to load the fs module for / |
| 20:34.50 | patois | I'm sorry, I have to leave, a nice gio |
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| 20:35.03 | Markrian | ArCHoNKoG, what do you mean |
| 20:35.08 | PerfDave | hudson2: Some packages will have build dependencies that aren't in Woody, which need to be built themselves. |
| 20:35.11 | paulswm | patois: bye |
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| 20:35.13 | WiFiTux | patois, do you speak patois? |
| 20:35.14 | patois | a nice girl in my bed is doing things I cant tell here, se ya, and thanks for the help :-) |
| 20:35.19 | PerfDave | hudson2: Many packages are available pre-compiled for Woody at http://www.backports.org/ |
| 20:35.24 | citral | deadManA: I told you, dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 will ask you again |
| 20:35.27 | bucky | Sababa, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-high-static |
| 20:35.28 | WiFiTux | ah |
| 20:35.28 | fasf | DEBUG: push_el() sub_name: sys_command(), msg: Starting... |
| 20:35.29 | fasf | DEBUG: push_el() sub_name: sys_command(), msg: ERROR: External command ' ' returned '255' status ! |
| 20:35.29 | fasf | DEBUG: pop_el() sub_name: sys_command(), msg: ERROR: External command ' ' returned '255' status ! |
| 20:35.29 | fasf | ERROR: External command ' ' returned '255' status ! |
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| 20:35.34 | WiFiTux | idiotr |
| 20:35.35 | paulswm | well that's more info than I needed |
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| 20:35.39 | fofos | Thanks a lot :) |
| 20:35.49 | ArCHoNKoG | Markrian, a list of all the src and deb repository for deb |
| 20:35.49 | citral | deadManA: or you will have maybe "is your monitor an LCD device?" |
| 20:35.49 | fofos | Manoj_: you made it clear, pretty thanks |
| 20:36.00 | dondelelcaro | fasf: please read /topic... and don't flood. |
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| 20:36.05 | guestish | nvz: k, well dont worry bout it |
| 20:36.07 | deadManA | citral, i had that option |
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| 20:36.13 | guestish | nvz: looks like it works |
| 20:36.19 | deadManA | however, it didnt help improving the display |
| 20:36.23 | citral | deadManA: so... just say yes |
| 20:36.24 | deadManA | it is kind of blurred |
| 20:36.35 | deadManA | i said yes |
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| 20:36.38 | Markrian | ArCHoNKoG, there is no such thing. Anyone can create their own debian repo and put it up on the net, so it'd be extremely difficult to locate them all |
| 20:36.41 | ^dev^ | hello guys how to i upgrade shorewall its not doing it with apt-get install shorewall |
| 20:36.43 | abrotman | !tell ArCHoNKoG about sid |
| 20:36.47 | citral | deadManA: you choosed the right graphic card? |
| 20:36.51 | guestish | nvz: thx for testing it |
| 20:36.52 | Markrian | ArCHoNKoG, I suggest using google though! |
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| 20:36.56 | hudson2 | perdave: thx. I have backports in sources.list. I guess the instructions were a bit misleading. |
| 20:37.01 | Manoj_ | ^dev^: what do you mean, it is not doing it? |
| 20:37.05 | deadManA | yeah i have nvidia graphics card and have installed nvidia drivers too |
| 20:37.07 | abrotman | !tell ArCHoNKoG about unstable |
| 20:37.07 | ^dev^ | yes |
| 20:37.49 | Manoj_ | ^dev^: it upgraded nicely for me out here |
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| 20:37.50 | Sababa | bucky: nevermind that man i fixed it :) now i need to know how to configure a gateway |
| 20:37.50 | ^dev^ | its saying i have recent version |
| 20:37.50 | citral | deadManA: do you see the driver nvidia in the cards? (don't take "nv") |
| 20:37.50 | Sababa | its something with /sbin/ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.2 ... |
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| 20:37.50 | Manoj_ | ^dev^: well, believe it, then |
| 20:37.50 | ^dev^ | i am trying to |
| 20:37.54 | asg | ^dev^: what debian version are you using? what does apt-cache policy shorewall say? |
| 20:37.57 | Sababa | i dont remeber the right syntax can anyone remind me please how to do it right? |
| 20:37.57 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: I think we've had the "buying hardware from Apple is evil" discussion before ;) |
| 20:38.04 | Manoj_ | ^dev^: there may not be a more recent verion packaged for your distribution |
| 20:38.11 | PerfDave | Sababa: man 5 interfaces |
| 20:38.13 | deadManA | citral, i did all the changes, driver nvidia, removed glcore and dri, added glx etc., |
| 20:38.24 | dedikerad | how do i add devices in linux 2.6? i appearantly should not use update-modules and modules.conf does not exist |
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| 20:38.36 | deadManA | citral, i had this running properly in my previous install |
| 20:38.40 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, yes, true. Actually buying iPOD's was evil, but this Mini for $499? :-> |
| 20:38.41 | dvs | dedikerad: you should use /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 20:38.53 | dvs | dedikerad: update-modules still works. |
| 20:38.54 | citral | brb |
| 20:39.03 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: You can get a more powerful shuttle PC for less money. And you don't have to send it back to Apple to upgrade the RAM ;) |
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| 20:39.07 | deadManA | citral, now i did a full reinstall since my modules got screwed and lost many devices by upgrading kernel 2.6.10 |
| 20:39.11 | dedikerad | ok, thanks |
| 20:39.17 | ecko | crypt: can you do me a favor and check if you have mountvirtfs in your /etc/rc2.d folder? |
| 20:39.20 | guestish | nvz: well uh, good luck w/ 2.6 |
| 20:39.38 | shadoi | How can I make a debian package give a message during install? I have a postinst file that echo's my message in the configure part of the case statement.... |
| 20:39.39 | jazzmans2 | well, deleting the .xsession-errors file didn't free up any of the space it was taking. |
| 20:39.48 | greycat | jazzmans2: it's probably still open. |
| 20:39.52 | greycat | jazzmans2: logout and back in |
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| 20:39.54 | jazzmans2 | I restarted x |
| 20:40.00 | jazzmans2 | ok. brb |
| 20:40.25 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, crap. I want an ibook cause it's very nice looking... with Debian in it? :| actually I'm going to start selling these Mini to the Architects I IT for... |
| 20:40.25 | shadoi | Any packagers in here? |
| 20:40.35 | greycat | shadoi: define "packager" |
| 20:40.36 | tarzeau | shadoi: just ask |
| 20:40.39 | WiFiTux | shadoi, I'm a packers fan it that works. |
| 20:40.41 | shadoi | tarzeau: I did. :) |
| 20:40.42 | ^dev^ | installed 1.2.12-2 candidate 1.2.12-2 |
| 20:40.46 | shadoi | How can I make a debian package give a message during install? I have a postinst file that echo's my message in the configure part of the case statement.... |
| 20:40.56 | deadManA | citral, i guess it is the fontconfig, let me try that |
| 20:40.59 | abrotman | shadoi: #debian-mentors |
| 20:41.05 | tarzeau | shadoi: why do you want to give a message during install? |
| 20:41.07 | Manoj_ | ^dev^: you do seem to have the latest shorewall |
| 20:41.16 | ^dev^ | oh |
| 20:41.19 | ^dev^ | heh |
| 20:41.19 | tarzeau | shadoi: it'll be lost. put it in README.Debian instead |
| 20:41.21 | shadoi | tarzeau: the user needs to modify/run a script before the app will work. |
| 20:41.33 | tarzeau | shadoi: that belongs to README.Debian |
| 20:41.34 | Manoj_ | shadoi: are you creating, or just installing, the package? |
| 20:41.36 | dedikerad | i want to add entries such as "alias char-major-116 snd", where do i do that? |
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| 20:41.40 | shadoi | Manoj_: creating |
| 20:41.54 | ArCHoNKoG | can i paste a 3 line error i get when i apt-get install something |
| 20:41.59 | tarzeau | shadoi: what package/software is that btw? |
| 20:42.01 | Manoj_ | shadoi: #debian-mentors may be a better channel |
| 20:42.07 | shadoi | tarzeau: I agree, but I've seen other packages say things during install... thought it would be useful. |
| 20:42.07 | tarzeau | ArCHoNKoG: sure |
| 20:42.15 | ArCHoNKoG | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome |
| 20:42.15 | ArCHoNKoG | debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome2-perl installed?) |
| 20:42.15 | ArCHoNKoG | debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog |
| 20:42.20 | shadoi | tarzeau: part of the enlightenment project |
| 20:42.21 | ArCHoNKoG | why do i get that error |
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| 20:42.24 | tarzeau | dpkg nickometer ArCHoNKoG |
| 20:42.24 | dpkg | 'ArCHoNKoG' is 99.9143% lame, tarzeau |
| 20:42.30 | Manoj_ | shadoi: you need to look into debconf, NEWS.Debian, and README.Debian |
| 20:42.33 | abrotman | ArCHoNKoG: use Dialog for debconf .. much easier |
| 20:42.38 | shadoi | Manoj_: ok thanks. |
| 20:42.45 | asg | ArCHoNKoG: because you are trying to run stuff as root in a regular user X session? |
| 20:42.59 | Manoj_ | ArCHoNKoG: sinnce you do not havce libgnome2-perl installed? |
| 20:43.02 | abrotman | asg: because he chose Gnome as his front end to debconf |
| 20:43.08 | abrotman | which is just dumb |
| 20:43.16 | Markrian | harsh |
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| 20:43.23 | Manoj_ | abrotman: not dumb -- the gnome frontend is nice |
| 20:43.24 | asg | abrotman: and not having libgnome2-perl installed |
| 20:43.30 | abrotman | they shuld make that a low priority question .. and default to Dialog .. it would save so many questions |
| 20:43.32 | Manoj_ | it just needs some more packages installed ;-) |
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| 20:43.42 | abrotman | Manoj_: dumb if someone doesn't know how to use it .. or Debian |
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| 20:43.52 | jazzmanss | logged out, killed x and the space isn't freed up. so my /home drive shows : size: 6.1 GB, free disk space 217.1 MB out of 18 GB. |
| 20:44.00 | greycat | does debconf at least fall back to dialog if $DISPLAY is unset? |
| 20:44.10 | Manoj_ | abrotman: a current lack of knowledge is distinct from a lack of intelligence |
| 20:44.23 | dondelelcaro | greycat: presumably the frontend would... |
| 20:44.25 | asg | greycat: I don't know |
| 20:44.30 | greycat | jazzmanss: well... you could try lsof, or just reboot it |
| 20:44.32 | shadoi | ahh... debconf-devel is a nice beefy man page. :) |
| 20:44.40 | dedikerad | in what file can i add entries like "alias char-major-116 snd", or how can i use the contents of /etc/modprobe.d to add these aliases? i don't understand |
| 20:44.53 | greycat | dondelelcaro: not that I'd ever be insane enough to try :) |
| 20:44.54 | justin | dedikerad: why do you think you need to do that? |
| 20:44.54 | abrotman | Manoj_: yes .. but if it defaults to dialog .. and they gain that knowledge later and can switch to the gnome frontend then .. great .. i'm all for it .. but so many debian newbs pick gnome/qt for thier front end .. and it doens't wor |
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| 20:44.55 | abrotman | work |
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| 20:45.16 | Manoj_ | abrotman: well, it serves as a learning experiencec ;-) |
| 20:45.21 | dedikerad | justin, i'm reading about getting my usb midi keyboard to work under linux: http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/evolution-usb-midi.php |
| 20:45.27 | abrotman | Manoj_: or to badger #debian :) |
| 20:45.43 | ArCHoNKoG | also why doesn't gdesklets for syseminfo loads but i don't see nothing but everything else works in gdesklet like weather and slashdot |
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| 20:45.44 | dvs | greycat: yes, debconf falls back to DIALOG |
| 20:45.59 | ^dev^ | why is shorewall.net saying STABLE release series is 2.0 and i nstalled 1.2.12-2 |
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| 20:46.13 | asg | ^dev^: their idea of stable and Debian's idea differs |
| 20:46.14 | greycat | ^dev^: because upstream stable != what's packaged in Debian stable |
| 20:46.17 | nvz_ | umm? |
| 20:46.18 | deadManA | citral, thanks for the help. It was the fontconfig and I needed to select "sub-pixel rendering" to fix it |
| 20:46.24 | ^dev^ | ahh |
| 20:46.27 | deadManA | citral, now it is looking good. :-) |
| 20:46.49 | tarzeau | ^dev^: in sid you can find the latest |
| 20:47.02 | greycat | tarzeau: usually. |
| 20:47.08 | strubbel | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.18 | tarzeau | strubbel: which country? |
| 20:47.21 | greycat | "joice"? |
| 20:47.25 | strubbel | germany |
| 20:47.27 | tarzeau | that sounds german |
| 20:47.33 | ^dev^ | okay thanks guys |
| 20:47.35 | tarzeau | dsl-flat. drop the hyphen |
| 20:47.35 | greycat | sounds like the thing you do before you can re-joice |
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| 20:47.44 | strubbel | tarzeau: my english? |
| 20:47.46 | tarzeau | greycat: germans don't know english |
| 20:47.54 | greycat | tarzeau: fair enough; I don't know German ;-) |
| 20:48.02 | citral | deadManA: ok, nice. |
| 20:48.03 | neenee | what is that command again to configure xserver? |
| 20:48.07 | greycat | neenee: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 20:48.09 | greycat | neenee: /msg dpkg faq |
| 20:48.15 | neenee | oki |
| 20:48.17 | neenee | thanks |
| 20:48.34 | citral | germans don't know french, either |
| 20:48.39 | neenee | some do |
| 20:48.49 | citral | in the past they did well |
| 20:48.51 | streuner_ | greycat: hehe |
| 20:48.51 | streuner_ | greycat: just learn some german, its not that hard |
| 20:48.55 | tarzeau | citral: how true!!!! and it's horrible when they pretend knowing french |
| 20:48.56 | EdibleTe2t | noone knows lojban |
| 20:49.03 | greycat | I know a handful of words like blitzkrieg and scheiss |
| 20:49.13 | citral | but the new generation just doesn't seem to give a try |
| 20:49.17 | EdibleTe2t | greycat, bad mental image |
| 20:49.17 | tarzeau | greycat: don't forget CURRYWURST! |
| 20:49.21 | strubbel | greycat: probably more |
| 20:49.23 | streuner_ | citral: 'Karl' is bad in french? or 'Claudia'? |
| 20:49.25 | citral | ahahaha |
| 20:49.27 | tarzeau | err KÖRRIWURST nowadays |
| 20:49.37 | citral | POMMES |
| 20:50.03 | tarzeau | dpkg seen ljlane |
| 20:50.03 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'ljlane', tarzeau |
| 20:50.07 | hacim | err |
| 20:50.22 | bbhill | je parle francais! |
| 20:50.28 | tarzeau | dpkg french |
| 20:50.29 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
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| 20:50.41 | bbhill | i speak english too |
| 20:50.45 | bbhill | !english |
| 20:50.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it?, or see #debian-en |
| 20:50.49 | greycat | please stick to English here. |
| 20:50.54 | citral | putain de bordel de merde a la con |
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| 20:50.55 | EdibleTe2t | german is fun! you can make up words just like in english eg scheisskrieg |
| 20:50.59 | bbhill | lol |
| 20:51.02 | bbhill | va te faire enculer tantouse |
| 20:51.17 | dedikerad | justin, see? |
| 20:51.25 | justin | dedikerad: doubt you have to do that step |
| 20:51.26 | strubbel | or scheissekrieg |
| 20:51.38 | dedikerad | justin, ok, i'll try without it! |
| 20:51.41 | strubbel | brrrr |
| 20:51.51 | dedikerad | justin, but HOW would i do it IF i needed to? |
| 20:52.03 | citral | verdammtscheisscacktreckblitzkrieg |
| 20:52.12 | justin | dedikerad: got me, I haven't needed to touch modules.conf/modprobe.conf in years |
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| 20:52.20 | alainm | is there a way at installion time for the debian installer to auto detect my hardware? |
| 20:52.24 | dedikerad | justin, ok, thanks anyway =) |
| 20:52.27 | greycat | alainm: sarge does a bit of it. |
| 20:52.35 | tarzeau | i collect bios rom extensions. someone can help me dump their roms and send them to me? www.linuks.mine.nu/ree/ |
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| 20:52.44 | citral | alainm: if it's not too exotic, should work fine |
| 20:52.49 | bbhill | bundeswehrpilot is a funny word in german |
| 20:52.50 | asg | tarzeau: I've sent you all mine :p |
| 20:52.51 | alainm | greycat: oh really.. will it auto detect network and audio |
| 20:53.01 | greycat | alainm: it certainly tries. |
| 20:53.03 | tarzeau | asg: didn't you buy a new computer yet? |
| 20:53.06 | alainm | nice |
| 20:53.10 | EdibleTe2t | citral, was ist cacktreck in english |
| 20:53.14 | asg | tarzeau: only new hw I have is a sparcstation 20 |
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| 20:53.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: anyone ever tell you .. you're a freak? :) |
| 20:53.31 | citral | EdibleTe2t: uh... dirtyshit? |
| 20:53.34 | bbhill | guys, noob question, sorry.. Does switching to SATA on a desktop give you any major speed increase? Or is it marginal? |
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| 20:53.40 | EdibleTe2t | heh |
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| 20:53.45 | tarzeau | asg: what does it run? |
| 20:53.45 | greycat | bbhill: switching from what? :) |
| 20:53.49 | tarzeau | pflanze: hey! |
| 20:53.51 | greycat | from floppies? sure. |
| 20:53.52 | bbhill | ATA |
| 20:53.54 | alainm | citral: is is pretty reliable? |
| 20:53.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh. you :) |
| 20:54.05 | pflanze | Hello. How do you compile a package statically (so that it can be run on a non-debian platform)? |
| 20:54.07 | pflanze | Hi tarzeau. |
| 20:54.10 | asg | tarzeau: nothing yet, probably OpenBSD but I'll at least install sarge and provide an installation report. |
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| 20:54.21 | citral | alainm: it is, let's say you have a 3com or a realtek 8139, it will work out of the box |
| 20:54.27 | bbhill | obviously scsi is better. I dont think my motherboard supports it though. |
| 20:54.28 | dedikerad | how can i see if debian detects my usb midi keyboard at all? |
| 20:54.31 | tarzeau | asg: *hint* OPENSTEP runs on that! |
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| 20:54.40 | asg | tarzeau: :) heh |
| 20:54.42 | alainm | citral: what about wireless? |
| 20:54.50 | greycat | !smite wireless |
| 20:54.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: i think you're missing some images |
| 20:54.53 | citral | dedikerad: you need hotplug for that |
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| 20:55.13 | citral | alainm: I don't know. |
| 20:55.24 | alainm | k |
| 20:55.28 | alainm | thx |
| 20:55.31 | EdibleTe2t | nturner, of freeswan/windows/ipsec fame? |
| 20:55.49 | nturner | EdibleTe2t: nope, i'm not famous at all, sorry =) |
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| 20:56.24 | punkrockguy318 | can someone help me out with my network? I have a question. |
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| 20:56.30 | EdibleTe2t | nturner, dont be sorry :) |
| 20:56.31 | Goetmte | I've got one linux server, and 50 linux clients. What's the best way to have a database here I add the users of every client, so every client can login to the server |
| 20:56.33 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: just ask |
| 20:56.36 | citral | alainm: sarge install hotplug by default (which I personally hate), it will probably reckon it. |
| 20:56.37 | dedikerad | citral, i have hotplug. what's next? no text appears when i plug it it |
| 20:56.48 | liten | what program should i install to play xvid.mpeg. yee all the formats on debian..? |
| 20:56.51 | dedikerad | citral, allthough my usb mp3-player works, and usb mouse, and stuff like that |
| 20:56.51 | citral | dedikerad: in pure console or in X ? |
| 20:56.54 | esac | i just installed gkrellm, and now i cant find it, does anybody know where it is at ? |
| 20:57.04 | abrotman | Goetmte: ask #<yourdatabaseserver> |
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| 20:57.14 | Delph | esac: which gkrellm ? |
| 20:57.21 | streuner_ | esac: what windowmanager do you use? |
| 20:57.25 | Goetmte | I made my question wrong |
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| 20:57.33 | punkrockguy318 | I have three PCs hooked up to a router. I just got another PC in the basement. Could I just split the network cable in the basement with a switch between the two computers? Or would I need to run another network cord downstairs? |
| 20:57.37 | rootcanal | Does anyone know what has happened to nfs-kernel-server in stable? |
| 20:57.41 | esac | streuner, gnome |
| 20:57.48 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: you can use a switch .. |
| 20:57.48 | dedikerad | citral, oh, it was pure x. in pure console it says full speed usb 1-2 device assigned to address 4 |
| 20:58.10 | streuner_ | esac: just start it in aterm or whatever with 'gkrellm' and save the session |
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| 20:58.13 | greycat | !find nfs-kernel woody |
| 20:58.17 | dpkg | nfs-kernel-server: (Kernel NFS server support), section net, is standard. Version: 1:1.0-2woody3 (woody), Packaged size: 65 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
| 20:58.25 | nturner | Goetmte: are you thinking of something along the lines of LDAP, where credentials and user info is stored in a central place |
| 20:58.25 | citral | dedikerad: that looks good |
| 20:58.29 | streuner_ | esac: or put in ~/.xsession |
| 20:58.37 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, will both PCs get different dhcp addresses? (ie 192.168.0.x?) |
| 20:58.49 | rootcanal | I've just updated to 1:1.0-2woody3 and the server refused to start as exportfs is causing kernel oopses left right and centre |
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| 20:58.58 | dedikerad | citral, ok. but it doesn't identify the keyboard's name or anything, as i think it should |
| 20:58.59 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: they should .. unless you've done something seriously wrong |
| 20:59.11 | dedikerad | citral, can i get any info on the device knowing the adress? |
| 20:59.15 | rootcanal | Is there any way of getting an _older_ versio nof the package? |
| 20:59.20 | greycat | rootcanal: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 20:59.24 | dedikerad | s/adr/addr |
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| 20:59.31 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, okay. one more question: will there be any speed loss from using the same cord and splitting it then running two cords? |
| 20:59.38 | liten | please somebody help me.. i want a player that plays xvid. mpeg all the formats.. im jusing debian? |
| 20:59.44 | citral | dedikerad: cat /proc/interrupts; lspci |
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| 20:59.52 | greycat | liten: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 20:59.54 | EdibleTe2t | punkrockguy318, typically one uses only 2 pair in the 4 pair in a CAT5 cable you could use one cable for two comps if you had too.. |
| 20:59.59 | nturner | liten: have you tried zine? |
| 21:00.02 | nturner | er, xine |
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| 21:00.16 | liten | nturner no |
| 21:00.21 | EdibleTe2t | punkrockguy318, of course you would have to terminate the ends correctly and NOT be using gige |
| 21:00.27 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: well .. yes and no .. it's the same throughput .. but shared .. so if you're trying to heavily use both .. you may see a slight slowdown .. but if you're both downloading from the internet .. realistically no .. unless you've got an OC circuit to your house |
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| 21:00.35 | rootcanal | greycat - my screen's filled with sever not responding messages - I'll need to change host... |
| 21:00.39 | citral | dedikerad: err, lspci won't give anything useful, there is a "usbinfo" command iirc |
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| 21:00.40 | Goetmte | nturner : right that, but, I want to when every user starts the linux box, it asks for an user and password which are stored in a central place, is that possible? |
| 21:00.43 | jazzmanss | could anyone look at some of this output from .xsession-errors in #flood, and direct me so I can begin correcting the errors? |
| 21:00.46 | Goetmte | with LDAP |
| 21:00.55 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, okay, thanks. One PC is just for surfing, and the other is for online gaming |
| 21:01.01 | nturner | Goetmte: yes |
| 21:01.04 | dedikerad | citral, there are no commands usb* |
| 21:01.11 | liten | nturner apt-get install zine doent work? |
| 21:01.29 | citral | dedikerad: package usbutils I think, or usbview maybe |
| 21:01.30 | nturner | liten: sorry, it's acually xine (typo) |
| 21:01.42 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: should be more than fine |
| 21:01.54 | dedikerad | citral, www.dedikerad.se/usb-keyboard-problem.txt |
| 21:01.55 | liten | nturner k thx |
| 21:01.57 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, thanks a lot for all your help, bud :D I owe you one |
| 21:02.00 | Goetmte | nturner : DO YOU HAVE SOME DOCUMMENT ? |
| 21:02.03 | abrotman | that's what they all say :) |
| 21:02.22 | abrotman | jazzmanss: #debian-kde |
| 21:02.35 | dedikerad | abrotman, :) |
| 21:02.40 | nturner | Goetmte: hehe, easy with the caps lock, dude. if you hold on, I'll hunt down a URL |
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| 21:02.58 | dedikerad | citral, usb-utils only gave me "usbmodules" |
| 21:03.00 | Goetmte | sorry nturner |
| 21:03.17 | dedikerad | i really love that apt's root comment is back (or that apt is back, i don't know) |
| 21:03.18 | EdibleTe2t | Goetmte, http://www.metaconsultancy.com/whitepapers/ good debian slapd walkthrough |
| 21:03.29 | dedikerad | but wasn't there more O's befoer? |
| 21:03.34 | greycat | it's random |
| 21:03.48 | dedikerad | greycat, the number of O's? |
| 21:03.55 | resiak | dedikerad: Yes. |
| 21:03.57 | dedikerad | jeez |
| 21:04.01 | dedikerad | :) |
| 21:04.07 | citral | dedikerad: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 21:04.10 | resiak | ~botsnack |
| 21:04.10 | apt | :), resiak |
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| 21:04.24 | dedikerad | citral, sorry, i missed usbview |
| 21:04.26 | Goetmte | and what technology should I use to run , for example, 'apt-get install anjuta' and it applies to all the clients ? |
| 21:04.32 | punkrockguy318 | What's the difference between a router and a switch? |
| 21:04.35 | EdibleTe2t | poor apt.. all he does any more is notify that ROOOOT has landed. Hes like a psychotic hamster. |
| 21:04.35 | tarzeau | Goetmte: pconsole ? |
| 21:04.41 | Goetmte | or made a change and it applies to all the clients |
| 21:04.45 | greycat | punkrockguy318: routers send packets between two or more networks |
| 21:04.45 | citral | punkrockguy318: a router routes |
| 21:04.48 | nturner | Goetmte: check out http://www.metaconsultancy.com/whitepapers/ and specifically http://www.metaconsultancy.com/whitepapers/ldap-linux.htm |
| 21:05.01 | dedikerad | citral, cat: /proc/bus/usb/devices: No such file or directory |
| 21:05.01 | Goetmte | thank you |
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| 21:05.02 | tarzeau | ~snackbot |
| 21:05.04 | apt | ACTION gobbles up tarzeau. |
| 21:05.05 | greycat | punkrockguy318: a switch is more like a selective hub; it just sends packets to computers on a single network |
| 21:05.10 | jazzmanss | abrotman: #debian-kde is dead. I'm running xfce4, and call on some kde apps. |
| 21:05.14 | nturner | EdibleTe2t: hehe, I should have read the scrollback =) |
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| 21:05.20 | fat | this might be a stupid question... i downloaded the woody 3.0r4 iso's and installed it. and it says i've got the 2.2.20-idepci kernel installed. and everywhere i go i see 2.4 and 2.6 kernels.. isnt 3.0r4 supposed to be really new? |
| 21:05.21 | abrotman | jazzmanss: so it's a kde problem? |
| 21:05.25 | citral | dedikerad: kernel? (uname -r) |
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| 21:05.37 | dedikerad | citral, usbview says, verify that usb is compiled into kernel, usb core modules loaded and usbdevfs fs loaded |
| 21:05.42 | greycat | fat: no, it's not really new. it's the same old woody with updated security fixes. |
| 21:05.42 | punkrockguy318 | greycat, so for a home network of 4 PCs, a router would be uneccesary correct? |
| 21:05.50 | Doat^ | i cant install kde nor gnome |
| 21:05.55 | greycat | punkrockguy318: you would typically have something to route the packets from the home LAN to the internet |
| 21:05.55 | tarzeau | Doat^: install gnustep |
| 21:05.58 | resiak | Doat^: Define "can't". |
| 21:06.05 | rootcanal | right I'm back, on the machine which don't work (my main server - this is an absolute catastrophe in progress presently) |
| 21:06.05 | fat | greycat, ok thanks |
| 21:06.09 | tarzeau | resiak: broken deps probably |
| 21:06.12 | jazzmanss | I dunno abrotman. |
| 21:06.14 | dedikerad | citral, i doubt that i don't have usb. 2.6.6. mount | grep usb returns nothing |
| 21:06.24 | greycat | and by the way, woody has 2.4.18 |
| 21:06.31 | greycat | you just didn't read the help or the manuals |
| 21:06.34 | resiak | tarzeau: No harm in asking, is there? :) |
| 21:06.39 | Doat^ | with kde it says something like "Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC(@INC contains: /etc/petl etc. |
| 21:06.43 | Doat^ | perl* |
| 21:06.46 | greycat | Doat^: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:06.50 | dedikerad | greycat, who? |
| 21:06.57 | tarzeau | resiak: of course :) i was just guessing |
| 21:07.00 | rootcanal | Is there any way to get an older version of teh nfs-kernel-server, so that I can try to get back to what I used to be running? |
| 21:07.01 | greycat | dedikerad: our 2.2.20-idepci using friend. |
| 21:07.08 | punkrockguy318 | greycat, excuse my ignorance, but what's a packet? |
| 21:07.10 | dedikerad | greycat, ok |
| 21:07.12 | jazzmanss | I posted more of the output in #flood |
| 21:07.15 | greycat | rootcanal: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 21:07.16 | citral | dedikerad: lsmod, look for uhci-hcd, ohci-hcd |
| 21:07.24 | EdibleTe2t | !packet |
| 21:07.24 | dpkg | hmm... packet is A collection of information. It's often used to refer to the chunks of information sent over computer networks. |
| 21:07.27 | greycat | punkrockguy318: a chunk of data with a source and destination IP address on it |
| 21:07.36 | dedikerad | citral, i have them both |
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| 21:07.39 | resiak | Doat^: How exactly did you go about installing KDE? |
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| 21:07.42 | tarzeau | Doat^: wait you got debian? or ubuntu or knoppix? got a mixture of sid/sarge/woody? which of them you got? |
| 21:07.48 | rovragge | how do I with apt-cache list all packages with a certain version number? |
| 21:07.51 | tarzeau | Doat^: unofficial sources even? |
| 21:07.51 | citral | dedikerad: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 21:07.56 | rootcanal | greycat - trying... thanks |
| 21:07.56 | dedikerad | citral, i did |
| 21:08.04 | rovragge | or some other tool, non-gui preferably |
| 21:08.05 | fofos | In the make menuconfig -> Device Drivers -> Block devices, "Initial RAM disk (initrd) support" but at the make-kpkg, i get this message: i disabled Warning: You are using the initrd option... Anyone knows why ? Thanks... |
| 21:08.10 | Doat^ | tarzeau: debian |
| 21:08.18 | Doat^ | tarzeau: sarge |
| 21:08.18 | tarzeau | rovragge: $BROWSER packages.debian.org/package |
| 21:08.24 | citral | dedikerad: you probably missed something related to your usb keyboard then. |
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| 21:08.38 | tarzeau | Doat^: is your mirror official? up to date? |
| 21:08.43 | Doat^ | yes |
| 21:08.46 | Doat^ | from debian.org |
| 21:08.48 | dedikerad | citral, first things first... :) why can't i use usbview? is there a way for me to mount usbfs? |
| 21:08.49 | punkrockguy318 | greycat, so you couldn't use a switch to connect a home LAN to the internet? |
| 21:08.55 | resiak | Doat^: How did you go about installing it? apt-get install kde ? |
| 21:08.58 | greycat | punkrockguy318: no |
| 21:08.58 | tarzeau | Doat^: i mean you don't care if it's gnome or kde. you can just as well take gnustep. no? |
| 21:08.59 | Doat^ | yep |
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| 21:09.05 | Doat^ | and apt-get install gnome |
| 21:09.05 | resiak | Doat^: Just checking :) |
| 21:09.08 | citral | dedikerad: before recompiling, you could just abrotman apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-something and see if it works |
| 21:09.18 | Doat^ | tarzeau: what is gnustep? |
| 21:09.18 | tarzeau | Doat^: maybe you'll love it. try apt-get install gnustep |
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| 21:09.22 | resiak | abrotman: You're now a command! ^^ |
| 21:09.25 | abrotman | citral: yes! |
| 21:09.28 | abrotman | abrotman me! |
| 21:09.28 | citral | abrotman: sorry :) |
| 21:09.30 | tarzeau | Doat^: it's the best! the beeeest |
| 21:09.33 | fofos | In the make menuconfig -> Device Drivers -> Block devices, i disabled "Initial RAM disk (initrd) support" but at the make-kpkg, i get this message: Warning: You are using the initrd option... Anyone knows why ? Thanks... (Sorry writting again, made a nonsense question first) |
| 21:09.39 | Doat^ | tarzeau: lol ok :P |
| 21:09.40 | Doat^ | ill try it |
| 21:09.43 | citral | abrotman-get beer |
| 21:09.50 | tarzeau | Doat^: you can see what things are using apt-cache show package |
| 21:09.52 | greycat | fofos: did you type "make-kpkg --initrd ..."? |
| 21:10.02 | Manoj_ | fofos: how did you call make-kpkg? |
| 21:10.04 | kps | what should one do if the partition table is broken ? |
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| 21:10.23 | walnuck | i have .aumixrc and aumix in rc2.d, i restarted my machine and my .aumixrc don't take effect, any suggestions? |
| 21:10.25 | tarzeau | kps: gpart ? |
| 21:10.28 | EdibleTe2t | kps, first remain calm |
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| 21:10.28 | kps | if i boot with rescue floppy fdisk sees no partitions on that hard disk |
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| 21:10.33 | tarzeau | kps: guess the partition table |
| 21:10.38 | fofos | greycat: I'm gona shoot myself at blindly follow the reference guide from debian :) |
| 21:10.41 | fofos | yes, stupid me |
| 21:10.44 | tarzeau | kps: how did you manage to do that? what other os were there? what arch? |
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| 21:11.01 | ribnitz | hello guys and gals |
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| 21:11.05 | kps | tarzeau, freebsd crashed and broke the partition table |
| 21:11.12 | dedikerad | ... there is no way to mount usbfs so that i can use usbview to check info on my usb devices? |
| 21:11.24 | kps | arch is x86, athlon processor |
| 21:11.25 | dedikerad | kps, i'm sorry, man |
| 21:11.33 | rootcanal | greycat - is there any way to get the actual .deb that I had, rather than just the source tgz? All I found for nfs-kernel-server was teh nfs-utils source tarball. |
| 21:11.35 | citral | dedikerad: my approach if I ever wanted to compile my own 2.6 would be to take tan existing /boot/config-2.6.8-blah, remove what I know I *really* don't need and let the rest |
| 21:11.40 | kps | wasn't my primary machine though |
| 21:11.45 | greycat | rootcanal: /msg dpkg sdn ls /var/cache/apt/archvies |
| 21:11.47 | tarzeau | kps: freebsd 5.x or 4.x? |
| 21:11.47 | greycat | archives* |
| 21:11.51 | kps | 5.3 |
| 21:12.00 | tarzeau | kps: i'd really try gpart (guess partition table) |
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| 21:12.02 | ribnitz | kps: back oops? |
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| 21:12.11 | kps | gpart is a program ? |
| 21:12.16 | tarzeau | kps: yes |
| 21:12.17 | Doat^ | tarzeau: ok umm. how can i get to gnustep now? |
| 21:12.25 | tarzeau | Doat^: install wmaker. startx |
| 21:12.35 | Doat^ | tarzeau: what is wmaker? |
| 21:12.38 | citral | fluxbox! |
| 21:12.40 | kps | ok i could look for that |
| 21:12.41 | dedikerad | citral, that's pretty much what i have done. and since my other usb devices work i don't think this has to be a kernel problem |
| 21:12.58 | tarzeau | Doat^: a window manager |
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| 21:13.12 | tarzeau | Doat^: don't ask. you'll want that to run the gnustep environment |
| 21:13.24 | tarzeau | Doat^: it installs. it's fine. |
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| 21:13.31 | rootcanal | greycat - I don't keep old debs. The last one from this disty was 18 months ago. |
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| 21:13.50 | citral | dedikerad: I think it is, since usbview works perfectly with stock kernels... |
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| 21:14.01 | pgimeno | hi, I'm having problem with the command line iconv when converting from one charset to another. It truncates the output file. Is this a known problem? |
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| 21:14.30 | Terrax | hy i have debian woody and sarge and i havve some problems with my monitor |
| 21:14.31 | greycat | rootcanal: click on the links in the page that the search took you to. |
| 21:14.48 | ribnitz | Terrax: be specific. |
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| 21:14.50 | sword- | sup |
| 21:14.51 | Terrax | i have a tft dell 1503fp and oi get no screens error |
| 21:14.52 | Terrax | ? |
| 21:14.59 | greycat | !cluebat rootcanal |
| 21:15.13 | jazzmanss | I found a post in debian mailing lists about this, but couldn't find a resolution there. |
| 21:15.22 | resiak | tarzeau: Oh, while I remember, I tried GNUStep a while ago on your instruction. It was an interesting experience, but not for me at the moment. Thanks for the suggestion, though. |
| 21:15.32 | ribnitz | Terrax: resolution probably 1024x768, at 60hz, with 24 bit color depth. |
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| 21:15.35 | dedikerad | citral, dedikerad:/home/dedikerad# cat /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.6/.config | grep USB | grep FS gives me # CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS is not set... maybe that's it. (anyway, i need a custom kernel for other reasons) |
| 21:15.40 | tarzeau | resiak: you're welcome |
| 21:15.54 | citral | dedikerad: agreed. |
| 21:15.59 | Terrax | yes but i get error no screens found what cand i do |
| 21:16.02 | ribnitz | resiak: what are you using now, wm-wise? |
| 21:16.10 | jazzmanss | http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2005/01/msg00062.html |
| 21:16.20 | JohnBeton | can someone help me regarding java vm ? |
| 21:16.26 | ribnitz | Terrax: play with parameters, try 16 bit color depth. |
| 21:16.38 | burd | what is the command to make apt not install a certain package please |
| 21:16.43 | Terrax | aha |
| 21:16.44 | ribnitz | JohnBeton: as to what, works fine with debian, yes. |
| 21:16.46 | Terrax | thx |
| 21:16.53 | cat | burd: man apt |
| 21:16.53 | citral | I don't see any valuable reason to compile 2.6 for a desktop but... |
| 21:16.55 | depeg | hi , i am looking for a apt-move user |
| 21:16.55 | dondelelcaro | burd: uh, just don't install it. If you've already installed it, remove it. |
| 21:17.01 | ribnitz | Terrax: then manually edit and set to 24. |
| 21:17.08 | Terrax | ok |
| 21:17.18 | cat | depeg: ?? |
| 21:17.19 | rootcanal | greycat - "little error". It seems sdn is source only. Erk, gotta start building I guess... |
| 21:17.27 | dedikerad | citral, thanks a lot for your patient help ;) |
| 21:17.30 | greycat | rootcanal: or you could CLICK THE FUCKING DATE LINK. |
| 21:17.31 | resiak | ribnitz: Right now, XFce4. I was using Gnome until ... yesterday. |
| 21:17.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.35 | Doat^ | tarzeau: when i try startx it gives: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc line 2: /usr/bin/x11/x: No such file or directory |
| 21:17.39 | greycat | 2004/12/09 is a HYPERLINK. |
| 21:17.40 | Doat^ | tarzeau: and stuff like that |
| 21:18.05 | bytecolor | whats the package that sets up the doc db in /usr/share/doc/HTML/ ? |
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| 21:18.06 | ribnitz | resiak: like me. |
| 21:18.06 | greycat | it's http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2004/12/09/debian/pool/main/n/nfs-utils/ |
| 21:18.06 | citral | dedikerad: no problem |
| 21:18.06 | greycat | and guess what's there? |
| 21:18.06 | burd | dondelelcaro: it's a little different than that.. I like using the new webmin and I upgrade thru the webmin module, when I do dist-upgrade, it installs the old webmin again.. i want to tell apt not to do that lol |
| 21:18.06 | Terrax | when is sarge comming? |
| 21:18.06 | depeg | cat : it's to make a debian mirror |
| 21:18.06 | greycat | *GASP*! It's packages! |
| 21:18.06 | citral | Terrax: never. |
| 21:18.06 | resiak | ribnitz: Good stuff. |
| 21:18.06 | ribnitz | resiak: do get the 4.1 beta packages though. |
| 21:18.07 | cat | depeg: then go to debian.org |
| 21:18.10 | JohnBeton | i just installed sable vm |
| 21:18.12 | tarzeau | Doat^: did you install x-window-system-core ? |
| 21:18.15 | dvs | Terrax: sometime |
| 21:18.21 | Doat^ | tarzeau: no? |
| 21:18.26 | tarzeau | Doat^: do it :) |
| 21:18.28 | Doat^ | tarzeau: just tell everything i need to install at once |
| 21:18.29 | dondelelcaro | burd: so you're using your own webmin, and you don't want the Debian webmin installed. |
| 21:18.36 | Doat^ | tarzeau: i dont know anything.. |
| 21:18.37 | burd | right |
| 21:18.47 | tarzeau | Doat^: the thing is you can have them installed on different computers, that's why i can't depend on it all |
| 21:18.48 | dondelelcaro | burd: so just remove the debian package, and only have your own webmin installed. |
| 21:18.49 | depeg | cat : but i don't wanna help to use it |
| 21:18.56 | resiak | ribnitz: From os-cillation? I tried the packages from there, and it was shiny, but the battery applet was borked. Since this is a laptop... |
| 21:18.58 | esac | why is it when i mark evolution for removal, it wants to remove gnome ? |
| 21:19.00 | cat | depeg: using what? |
| 21:19.02 | burd | grrr |
| 21:19.03 | JohnBeton | i need a jvm to install this programm: Jalbum, but when i run the installer, he says he cant find a fm |
| 21:19.04 | tarzeau | Doat^: you know. xserver runs on computer a. window manager on computer b. gnustep apps on computer c |
| 21:19.09 | dondelelcaro | burd: but you're probably better off not using webmin at all. |
| 21:19.11 | depeg | cat : apt-move |
| 21:19.12 | cat | JohnBeton: what name? |
| 21:19.13 | JohnBeton | jvm |
| 21:19.15 | ribnitz | resiak: I have no choice. my parents are handicapped as to computers, and I just need a thing to open xterms in. XFCE4,4.1 beta allows to group apps in the taskbar |
| 21:19.16 | Doat^ | tarzeau: ok |
| 21:19.16 | resiak | esac: Because gnome (the all-inclusive metapackage) depends on evolution. |
| 21:19.21 | tarzeau | Doat^: this is not windows. i thought you have three computers and run everything on something else |
| 21:19.23 | ribnitz | resiak: exactly, from os-cillation. |
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| 21:19.32 | cat | apt-move ?? no such command |
| 21:19.34 | rootcanal | greycat - yeah yeah, already downloaded. need debhelper first though... |
| 21:19.37 | valdyn | esac: gnome is a metapackage, it doesnt actually contain more than dependencies |
| 21:19.42 | burd | I'll get it I ad it befoe ty for trying |
| 21:19.44 | dondelelcaro | cat: apt-move is a separate package |
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| 21:19.54 | esac | valdyn, so does that mean i can safely remove evolution ? |
| 21:19.56 | citral | I know a _very_ competant admin that uses webmin. It shocks me a lot. That must be a SuSE perversion. |
| 21:20.00 | cat | oh right, |
| 21:20.02 | valdyn | esac: yes |
| 21:20.07 | depeg | cat : ah ah no -> apt-get install apt-move before |
| 21:20.09 | dondelelcaro | burd: if you're not going to write intelligible english, there's no way I, or anyone else, will be able to help you. |
| 21:20.10 | resiak | ribnitz: Ah, fair enough. No, apart from that, it looked very shiny and nice, but ... I just figured that, since I need the battery applet anyway, there's not much to be lost by sticking with Pure Sarge(TM). |
| 21:20.18 | JohnBeton | sable virtual machine |
| 21:20.23 | Lorvija | Any swedes? =) |
| 21:20.23 | tarzeau | citral: you misspeeled cmpetant |
| 21:20.30 | citral | yeah |
| 21:20.35 | depeg | cat it's make a mirror from your files |
| 21:20.36 | burd | dondelelcaro: nevermind when I find it I will INFORM YOU k? |
| 21:20.39 | dondelelcaro | !k |
| 21:20.40 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 21:20.47 | ribnitz | resiak: your choice, I`ll continue to use it till i can afford a mac. |
| 21:20.52 | cat | damn i have to take my finals, |
| 21:21.19 | ribnitz | cat: good luck. clinical philosophy? |
| 21:21.19 | Terrax | my brother tryed to play with parameters in no secreen error but nothing |
| 21:21.24 | Terrax | help |
| 21:21.31 | citral | !spell competant |
| 21:21.31 | dpkg | possible spellings for competant: competent |
| 21:21.33 | greycat | boy, *there's* a great bug report. |
| 21:21.33 | cat | ribnitz: math, science, and history |
| 21:21.37 | citral | that's it |
| 21:21.41 | greycat | !tell Terrax about FAQ |
| 21:21.44 | resiak | ribnitz: Hmm, Macs. |
| 21:21.45 | ribnitz | cat: "science"? |
| 21:21.51 | Lorvija | So no swedish people in here? :/ |
| 21:21.58 | ribnitz | !swedish |
| 21:21.58 | dpkg | swedish is, like, better than finnish, or #debian.se |
| 21:21.59 | jazzmanss | ASSERT: "!m_doc->wrapCursor()" in ../../../kate/part/katerenderer.cpp (626) |
| 21:22.05 | Lorvija | looooooool |
| 21:22.13 | Lorvija | thats soo true :P |
| 21:22.20 | Lorvija | well i'll check .se :P |
| 21:22.24 | Lorvija | thanks = |
| 21:22.31 | jazzmanss | is the error message filling up my .xsession-errors file (10 gig in a week) any suggestions? |
| 21:22.43 | tarzeau | omg they killed www.dolphinsex.org! luckily i have a mirror: www.linuks.mine.nu/mirror/www.dolphinsex.org/ |
| 21:22.48 | dondelelcaro | jazzmanss: which error message? |
| 21:22.48 | greycat | jazzmanss: ask #debian-kde |
| 21:22.52 | citral | jazzmanss: don't use kde |
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| 21:23.05 | jazzmanss | greycat: I did, and #debian-kde is dead. |
| 21:23.10 | greycat | then file a bug report |
| 21:23.12 | dondelelcaro | oh, kde crap... /me mumbles about start-kde >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 21:23.15 | greycat | or try #kde |
| 21:23.17 | jazzmanss | citral: I use xfce4, and only call on a few kde apps. |
| 21:23.25 | ribnitz | jazzmanss: kde and gnome are bl0atware, thats what many neophytes don't realise. |
| 21:23.32 | jazzmanss | see above. |
| 21:23.42 | dondelelcaro | jazzmanss: then discard STDERR from the kde apps that you do call. |
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| 21:23.49 | citral | jazzmanss: so try not using this crappy kde apps, it will probably solve your problem |
| 21:23.54 | ribnitz | whats the smallest (functional) window manager there is? |
| 21:24.02 | dondelelcaro | jazzmanss: alternatively, truncate your .xsession-errors from time to time |
| 21:24.14 | ribnitz | jazzmanss: aka. logrotate |
| 21:24.24 | greycat | ribnitz: I knew a guy who used no WM at all; just raw netscape in an X11 session (he did the rest on text console) |
| 21:24.26 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: probably ratpoison or similar |
| 21:24.37 | citral | jazzmanss: gedit will integrate waaayyy better in xfce4 than kate |
| 21:24.43 | DerJamster | ribnitz: twin <- smallest, I guess |
| 21:24.49 | jazzmanss | I'm not using kate! |
| 21:24.56 | DerJamster | Since it's not even using X ;P |
| 21:24.56 | greycat | jazzmanss: your error points to it. |
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| 21:25.04 | jazzmanss | I know, but I'm not calling it. |
| 21:25.13 | citral | ../../../kate/part/katerenderer.cpp (626) |
| 21:25.14 | greycat | jazzmanss: what *are* you using? |
| 21:25.24 | citral | if that's not kate... |
| 21:25.25 | ribnitz | greycat: in fact all you need is a "root" xterm.. |
| 21:25.25 | burd | dondelelcaro: echo webmin hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 21:25.26 | jazzmanss | I've got the .xsessions-error in kwrite right now. |
| 21:25.30 | Darrel | hi all |
| 21:25.35 | JohnBeton | can someone help me regarding a java vm ? |
| 21:25.40 | greycat | ribnitz: well, this guy was weird. |
| 21:25.42 | valdyn | jazzmanss: kate is a kde component that might be embedded in an app you are using, kwrite uses kate |
| 21:25.46 | citral | jazzmanss: dpkg -l | grep kate |
| 21:25.51 | dvs | !tell JohnBeton about ask |
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| 21:26.06 | dondelelcaro | burd: that will place webmin on hold, yes... but that's still not the right way to deal with what you're trying to do. |
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| 21:26.20 | virgomoon | Greetings all! |
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| 21:26.25 | jazzmanss | citral, what do I do with the output of that? I can't remove kate, kde goes with it. |
| 21:26.28 | greycat | so you're using kwrite to read the .xsession-errors file that kwrite is writing errors to, so you can read them with kwrite, which writes more errors... |
| 21:26.29 | ribnitz | JohnBeton: j2se 1.4.2 is packaged, can be downloaded and works fine. |
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| 21:26.37 | citral | jazzmanss: just use gedit ffs |
| 21:26.40 | jazzmanss | viscious loop. |
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| 21:26.41 | burd | dondelelcaro: how do you knwo what I want to do you just told me you couldn't undertsand.. either you understood or you didn't |
| 21:26.41 | dondelelcaro | burd: the package that you have installed should reflect what you actually have on your system. If you're replacing the debian package with your own copy of webmin, you shouldn't have the Debian webmin package installed. |
| 21:26.42 | greycat | or less |
| 21:26.44 | greycat | or vi |
| 21:26.53 | rootcanal | ARGH! it's blatted my /etc/exports ... now where are my backups.... |
| 21:26.59 | JohnBeton | i installed that, but it won't work |
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| 21:27.10 | JohnBeton | i'm on debian |
| 21:27.12 | WiFiTux | tarzeau, hahahaha, awesome! awesome!! that dolphin site is definitely worth to keep. |
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| 21:27.16 | greycat | !won't work |
| 21:27.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 21:27.26 | burd | dondelelcaro: I install webmin first and then upgrade webmin from within itself.. why would I install it manually when I dont need to |
| 21:27.27 | dondelelcaro | burd: please stop attacking people who are attempting to help you. I will not warn you again. |
| 21:27.34 | citral | jazzmanss: you don't NEED kde apps, gnome apps will run better in xfce4, they do the same job and are way more stable |
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| 21:27.49 | jeaneid | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. This shows up when I try to su to another user when I am connected to a remote machine and I try to execute and X app. I also tries sux with no luck. any ideas |
| 21:27.52 | PerfDave | citral: Gnome apps are more stable than KDE apps? Bollocks. |
| 21:28.00 | JohnBeton | do i need to set any environment variables ? |
| 21:28.03 | tarzeau | PerfDave: true! GNUstep are the best |
| 21:28.06 | tarzeau | jazzmanss: me too |
| 21:28.08 | greycat | jeaneid: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 21:28.08 | dondelelcaro | burd: yes, and once you've upgraded webmin from within webmin, you've no longer got Debian's webmin package properly installed. |
| 21:28.20 | citral | PerfDave: from my experience, they are. |
| 21:28.27 | PerfDave | citral: Your experience is wrong ;) |
| 21:28.29 | WiFiTux | tarzeau, where did you find that site? |
| 21:28.30 | paulswm | !start a dm war |
| 21:28.30 | dpkg | startx rocks! |
| 21:28.35 | ribnitz | JohnBeton: classpath, reasonably. |
| 21:28.40 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: it was on www.dolphinsex.org , like for years |
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| 21:28.52 | JohnBeton | yeah, i did that in the /etc/profile |
| 21:28.54 | greycat | startx is the only *intuitive* way to get X running. |
| 21:28.56 | citral | PerfDave: never saw an app so much crasj-hing than konqueror. Horrible. |
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| 21:29.15 | rootcanal | greycat - It's worse than I thought - even the old package causes the kernel oops. I believe something's fuxored in something more fundamental. SIngle user mode next, I guess... |
| 21:29.18 | PerfDave | citral: It's never crashed for me. |
| 21:29.23 | JohnBeton | but he won't recognize the java-command |
| 21:29.25 | greycat | rootcanal: sorry to hear it |
| 21:29.33 | jazzmanss | konqueror never crashes on my machines. |
| 21:29.37 | ribnitz | greycat: "I switch it on and it looks like graphics"? |
| 21:29.38 | greycat | rootcanal: have you tried memtest86 and so on? |
| 21:29.58 | greycat | ribnitz: no, as in, "Help me I put my new PATH in /etc/profile and it does not read when I login!!" |
| 21:30.00 | jeaneid | greycat: I do not want to run the apps as root. I want tio run them as a different regular user. |
| 21:30.03 | tarzeau | ribnitz: did you ever have a typewriter? |
| 21:30.06 | jazzmanss | I'm still getting the same message X-million times and I'm viewing it in vi now |
| 21:30.07 | greycat | ribnitz: (because *dm doesn't read /etc/profile of course) |
| 21:30.14 | justin | greycat: 'X' is also intuitive, but wrong :-) |
| 21:30.14 | WiFiTux | tarzeau, haha, this is really gaylish... |
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| 21:30.19 | rootcanal | greycat - this box has been as solid as a rock - uptime is 690 days. |
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| 21:30.32 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I have one two floors down, but its crappy. |
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| 21:30.37 | greycat | rootcanal: maybe it's full of dust and wants vacuuming. |
| 21:30.39 | citral | rootcanal: shit happens |
| 21:30.48 | tarzeau | ribnitz: tried putting a tv behind it and type "startx" ? |
| 21:30.48 | bytecolor | dhelp, christ I never can remember that... |
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| 21:31.12 | DerJamster | rootcanal: So, no Kernel update for 690 days? Hmmh.. |
| 21:31.18 | ribnitz | tarzeau: great feeling. |
| 21:31.21 | JohnBeton | what else should i do to get it to work ? |
| 21:31.21 | greycat | jeaneid: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 21:31.24 | rootcanal | greycat - it is full of brickdust! I'll see if single user mode can get it to cope |
| 21:31.27 | ribnitz | tarzeau: will we meet at LOTS? |
| 21:31.35 | WiFiTux | tarzeau, is that site available? I would pay to have that domain and upload that site... |
| 21:31.51 | greycat | you should see our data acquisition systems on their yearly vacuuming. |
| 21:31.53 | rootcanal | DerJamster - indeed. I wanted stability, and that means stability |
| 21:31.54 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i don't know yet. i'd rather go to FOSDEM. ... LOTS is expensive. and who's there? hurd people? gnustep people? |
| 21:32.03 | asg | greycat: eek :) |
| 21:32.07 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: try whois on it... no idea |
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| 21:32.16 | ribnitz | tarzeau: will we see at fosdem? |
| 21:32.25 | WiFiTux | tarzeau, says TRANSFER PROHIBITED |
| 21:32.33 | DerJamster | rootcanal: I assume it is a single-user box? |
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| 21:32.39 | GlitchMaster | I may have found a new detail regarding the audio problem: When starting, I noticed in the usual list "i801_audio blacklisted". Could this have something to do with the fact that audio does not work upon starting X? |
| 21:32.45 | bytecolor | is there a way to install all available sarge docs? |
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| 21:32.51 | GlitchMaster | i810& |
| 21:32.51 | tarzeau | ribnitz: you going to fosdem? |
| 21:32.52 | GlitchMaster | * |
| 21:32.54 | GlitchMaster | >.> |
| 21:33.00 | DerJamster | Or rather, no-external-user box. |
| 21:33.04 | greycat | GlitchMaster: sounds plausible. |
| 21:33.06 | Doat^ | tarzeau: sigh.. once again it gives a bunch of errors after asking me things i have no idea of :/ |
| 21:33.07 | rootcanal | DerJamster - nope it's my NFS server for my home network. That's why exportfs crashing is a bit deal |
| 21:33.11 | dondelelcaro | bytecolor: documentation is spread throughout all of the packages... |
| 21:33.16 | ribnitz | tarzeau: probably |
| 21:33.18 | GlitchMaster | Any suggestions, greycat? |
| 21:33.23 | dondelelcaro | bytecolor: apt-cache search *-doc$ will get you most of them... |
| 21:33.32 | greycat | GlitchMaster: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 21:33.39 | rootcanal | DerJamster - I only let ssh sessions in from one single IP address outside my local net |
| 21:33.41 | tarzeau | ribnitz: now i hate my passport. is belgium in the schengen mafia? |
| 21:33.41 | dondelelcaro | rr... .*-doc$ |
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| 21:33.50 | tarzeau | Doat^: like what? |
| 21:33.50 | ribnitz | tarzeau: want to meet the wikipedia, perhaps helping out the swirl people. |
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| 21:33.57 | ghost1 | wheres the howto for ati prop |
| 21:33.59 | tarzeau | Doat^: just take the defaults and pray to the super cow powers |
| 21:34.01 | Doat^ | tarzeau: errors or questions? |
| 21:34.01 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I think so. |
| 21:34.07 | PerfDave | bytecolor: apt-cache search doc | egrep -- '-doc\b' | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | xargs apt-get install |
| 21:34.09 | greycat | ghost1: /msg dpkg ati drivers << that one? |
| 21:34.18 | tarzeau | Doat^: ignore it all. wait x configuration? just say no to fbdev |
| 21:34.27 | Doat^ | fbdev? |
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| 21:34.29 | ghost1 | thanks would that have the dvi output info also |
| 21:34.31 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Schengen is either in Luxembourg or belgium |
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| 21:34.35 | Doat^ | it didnt say anything about that |
| 21:34.44 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i'd love to get to FOSDEM. you fly or by bus or train? what does it cost? |
| 21:34.47 | Doat^ | tarzeau: i just installed x-window-core somthing |
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| 21:34.48 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: heh. that's almost definetly not what you want to do, though... ;-) |
| 21:35.00 | tarzeau | Doat^: x-window-system-core |
| 21:35.07 | tarzeau | Doat^: good. try startx now |
| 21:35.11 | bytecolor | dondelelcaro, might have to molest apt-cache a bit more to come up with some install size |
| 21:35.11 | scotth | hello, I'm having a slight problem with locale returning the wrong LC_PAPER |
| 21:35.14 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: It will (attempt to) install all documentation packages in Sarge. It is left as an exercise to the reader whether or not this is a good idea ;) |
| 21:35.17 | scotth | can anyone help me with that? |
| 21:35.20 | ribnitz | tarzeau: basically look for bruxelles, its half an hour from bruxelles. |
| 21:35.20 | ghost1 | greycat, i was trying to get dvi out to work with the 9550 which is part of the reason that i was needing the prop |
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| 21:35.27 | dondelelcaro | 715 packages worth of documentation + dependencies... ;-) |
| 21:35.35 | greycat | what's a "prop", other than a random thing used in a movie or play? |
| 21:35.42 | ribnitz | tarzeau: "Brüssel" |
| 21:35.43 | dondelelcaro | bytecolor: what actually are you looking for, though? |
| 21:35.43 | greycat | (or the spinny thing on the front of an airplane) |
| 21:35.48 | ralfWORK | greycat: a propeller? |
| 21:35.52 | ralfWORK | oh |
| 21:35.53 | asg | greycat: thingy that makes planes work |
| 21:35.54 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 21:35.54 | paulswm | greycat: something on an aeroplane |
| 21:36.06 | at0mIc | ribnitz: i'm 35 from bru |
| 21:36.06 | paulswm | heh |
| 21:36.10 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i'll check what a visum costs and how it easy is to get one |
| 21:36.11 | paulswm | or a boat |
| 21:36.22 | paulswm | or a geek hat |
| 21:36.32 | tarzeau | belgium has beautiful free software? |
| 21:36.34 | at0mIc | 35km oop |
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| 21:36.42 | ribnitz | at0mIc: how far is bruxelles to "Leuven"? |
| 21:36.43 | bytecolor | dondelelcaro, I have a lot of space drive space so I just thought a local copy of all/most debian docs would be nice to thumb through |
| 21:36.47 | at0mIc | 20km |
| 21:36.52 | deadManA | I installed a base system using sarge netinstall, upgraded to kernel-2.6.8-1-686-smp, and now my cdrom device does not show up. it is an atapi drive and it was /dev/hda before i upgraded the kernel. any hints on how to get the cd drive back?? |
| 21:36.55 | dondelelcaro | bytecolor: oh... that's almost totally useless. |
| 21:37.04 | ribnitz | at0mIc: half an hour, by public transport. |
| 21:37.05 | Doat^ | tarzeau: (EE)VGA(0):Driver can't support depth 24 |
| 21:37.10 | bytecolor | dondelelcaro, why useless? |
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| 21:37.17 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: I just get a bunch of conflicts when I pipe the thing to "apt-get --simulate install" :( |
| 21:37.20 | tarzeau | at0mIc: do you have a webcam and a flash light? |
| 21:37.33 | at0mIc | nope |
| 21:37.40 | at0mIc | not now :> |
| 21:37.41 | Doat^ | tarzeau: XIO: fatal IO error 104(Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 10 requests (0 known processed) ith 0 events remainig |
| 21:37.55 | dondelelcaro | bytecolor: just get yourself a copy of the debian-reference, debian-policy, and developers-reference. That'll give you some nice reading material. |
| 21:38.04 | ml267 | I think some package has overriden my /etc/locale.gen, can someone show me what their standard woody install comes with? I'm guessing "C" and "en_US"... |
| 21:38.06 | tarzeau | Doat^: well you have to configure x yourself |
| 21:38.09 | ribnitz | at0mIc: iirc its in the non-french-speaking part. |
| 21:38.12 | greycat | ml267: C |
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| 21:38.18 | Doat^ | tarzeau: how? |
| 21:38.28 | at0mIc | ribnitz: u frenchspeaking? |
| 21:38.35 | tarzeau | Doat^: /msg dpkg x |
| 21:38.35 | dondelelcaro | bytecolor: there are > 700 packages worth of documentation, most of which is only useful if you're actually using that package. You're much better off spending your time reading those three manuals that I sent your way |
| 21:38.38 | PerfDave | !fr |
| 21:38.38 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:38.40 | at0mIc | im flemmish, from near willebroek |
| 21:38.41 | ribnitz | at0mIc: amongst others, yes. |
| 21:38.46 | at0mIc | eheh :) |
| 21:39.06 | ml267 | greycat: just "C" is the entire content of the file? |
| 21:39.18 | ribnitz | at0mIc: but from switzerland (with austrian passport). Near lake of constance. |
| 21:39.19 | GlitchMaster | Would the module "i810-tco" have any relation to "i810_sound"? |
| 21:39.24 | greycat | ml267: no |
| 21:39.40 | greycat | ml267: can't you just run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" like everyone else does? |
| 21:39.46 | tarzeau | ribnitz: if i can't come. can you bring me a souvenir? say like http://image.sportscn.com/center/racing/f1/fun/belgium/girl2.jpg |
| 21:39.46 | bytecolor | dondelelcaro, but the docs would give me a very good picture of whats availble AND how each works |
| 21:39.51 | dondelelcaro | bytecolor: by the time you've read those three, you'll know enough to find whatever other documentation you need to read. |
| 21:40.15 | dondelelcaro | bytecolor: yes, that very first manual, debian-reference, will give you that picture. |
| 21:40.17 | ribnitz | tarzeau: if you write me a mail to remind me, no prob. |
| 21:40.18 | ml267 | greycat: hmm.. 'should have thought of that. |
| 21:40.32 | bytecolor | dondelelcaro, ok, I'll grab it |
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| 21:41.14 | ribnitz | tarzeau: but you are in switzerland long enough to aspply for citizenship, no? |
| 21:41.37 | tarzeau | ribnitz: yeah! it takes ages, and it's not that cheap |
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| 21:41.50 | tarzeau | ribnitz: but i can amortize it if i travel 50 times abroad into a schengen country |
| 21:41.54 | cipherz | just what package is kdb2html in ? |
| 21:42.11 | ribnitz | cipherz: aptßfile search |
| 21:42.14 | asg | cipherz: /msg dpkg search |
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| 21:42.18 | ribnitz | tarzeau: will you? |
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| 21:42.33 | tarzeau | ribnitz: yes |
| 21:42.37 | cipherz | ribnitz, apt-file finds nothing |
| 21:42.38 | ribnitz | tarzeau: if you go two two OS meetings a year... |
| 21:43.04 | tarzeau | ribnitz: and some holidays in france once a year |
| 21:43.14 | gahan | if i switch from old sata driver to a new one, do i have to change /etc/fstab and grub's menu.lst : from /dev/hda to /dev/sda ? |
| 21:43.22 | jazzmanss | ok, n00b question, how do i close vi without saving any changes? (yes, I know how dumb) |
| 21:43.27 | asg | jazzmanss: :q! |
| 21:43.30 | tarzeau | jazzmanss: ctrl-z, kill %1 |
| 21:43.42 | ribnitz | tarzeau: at 3 trips a year, and probably two or three other occasions (shopping in germany..) |
| 21:43.51 | jazzmanss | thanks asg. |
| 21:43.55 | cipherz | asg, checking dpkg if that can help me |
| 21:43.56 | Sharcho | How can I get a list of all available packages? |
| 21:44.02 | paulswm | tarzeau: that's kind of a vicious way out of vi |
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| 21:44.05 | ribnitz | jazzmanss: :q! |
| 21:44.06 | tarzeau | Sharcho: apt-cache pkgnames |
| 21:44.06 | at0mIc | help, my root has read/write access on fat32 partition, user hasnt. how can i get rw permission for that fat32 partition? tried some different settings, now i'm using fstab "/dev/hda2 /fat32 vfat rw,user=[user],auto 0 0" |
| 21:44.07 | GlitchMaster | Would the module "i810-tco" have any relation to "i810_sound"? |
| 21:44.11 | tarzeau | paulswm: it works |
| 21:44.11 | asg | cipherz: it's possible that the util you are looking for hasn't been packaged also |
| 21:44.15 | cipherz | nope nothing.... |
| 21:44.22 | asg | at0mIc: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 21:44.23 | tarzeau | paulswm: do you think i learn any of that sick commands? |
| 21:44.25 | Sharcho | tarzeau: thanks |
| 21:44.28 | at0mIc | thanks asg |
| 21:44.38 | ml267 | can users choose their own default locale? is it by setting some env variable in their start-up? |
| 21:44.43 | Doat^ | tarzeau: dpkg says nothing about confing x |
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| 21:44.52 | cipherz | asg, posibly tried googling it all started with me finding another tool that havent been packaged then I attempted to compile it and ran into all kinds of problems |
| 21:44.57 | ribnitz | at0mIc: mount as 0777 ? |
| 21:45.07 | paulswm | tarzeau: I love vi, been using it for a couple decades, it's an old friend |
| 21:45.08 | asg | cipherz: ah |
| 21:45.32 | ribnitz | ml267: "LOCALE"? |
| 21:45.32 | ml267 | at0mic: and possible pass the option "noexec" |
| 21:45.41 | tarzeau | paulswm: i can use it. but :q! is something you can only use in vi. ctrl-z and kill %1 are more universal |
| 21:45.46 | hoe | at0mIc: you have to set up umask=mask of the perms that are not present, e.g. umask=000 to get rwx for all, or better dmask=000,fmask=111 - dirs/files |
| 21:45.48 | ml267 | ribnitz: as simply as that? |
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| 21:46.09 | ribnitz | ml267: and LC_ALL, LC_MESSAGES,.. |
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| 21:46.24 | ribnitz | ml267: basically the same things set system wide. |
| 21:46.25 | paulswm | tarzeau: so I bet you shut down your box with kill -9 1 , heh |
| 21:46.49 | hoe | how do I set up autojoining of the channel/s for a specific server in irssi? |
| 21:46.59 | citral | hoe: irssi.org |
| 21:47.03 | ml267 | ribnitz: I guess there isn't a config tool that a user could just run, like some debconf thing... |
| 21:47.06 | citral | startup howto |
| 21:47.31 | Doat^ | /channel add -noauto <channel> <ircnet> |
| 21:47.34 | ribnitz | ml267: is itn that hard to tell them to edit some config file? |
| 21:47.41 | valdyn | ml267: language-env |
| 21:47.57 | l3m | i managed to get softwaresuspend to work, hibernate works fine, but sleeping .. the computer always wakes up within 5 seconds of "falling asleep" ... any ideas? |
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| 21:48.06 | ribnitz | paulswm: I wish i knew vim better, any literature you can recommend? |
| 21:48.09 | rsff | hello |
| 21:48.20 | cat | rsff: hello |
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| 21:48.47 | asg | ribnitz: other than the vim docs? vi improved by new riders press and the 6th edition of vi (by o'reilly) |
| 21:48.54 | Doat^ | i need help getting my x system working |
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| 21:49.10 | ml267 | valdyn: is that a package? |
| 21:49.13 | ribnitz | !set up x |
| 21:49.13 | dpkg | from memory, set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 21:49.20 | valdyn | ml267: yea |
| 21:49.27 | paulswm | ribnitz: I like gvim even better in X - there is vim documentation - package is vim-doc |
| 21:50.13 | paulswm | ribnitz: and there is I am sure a Nutshell vi book |
| 21:50.20 | ribnitz | paulswm: my (completely computer-illiterate) brother uses cream for vim, in winblws |
| 21:50.32 | De_Mon | grr apt-get wants me to install emacs because its 'suggested' how do i tell it not to? |
| 21:50.35 | ml267 | valdyn: thanks, I'll give that a look |
| 21:50.36 | citral | ribnitz: the best way to learn an editor is to run its doc inside, to try directly the examples |
| 21:51.00 | ribnitz | citral: true, but that will only get you to a certain point. |
| 21:51.19 | citral | De_Mon: if it's suggested, it won't install it unless you ask it to |
| 21:51.41 | De_Mon | well, it is |
| 21:51.48 | ribnitz | citral: A suggests B, C depends on B, install A and C.. |
| 21:51.49 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 21:51.50 | paulswm | ribnitz: I'm not familiar with that, so your statement sounds a bit like your brother is trying to treat some sort of itchy rash, which is probably a good analogy for Windows anyway |
| 21:52.14 | De_Mon | citral oh, no it's not thats emacs-el thats suggested |
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| 21:52.31 | ribnitz | paulswm: no, he needed a decent (free editor),and emacs sucks on windows. |
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| 21:52.40 | GlitchMaster | Revisited issue: Previously I had discovered that a certain xscreensaver, "Flurry", was causing a video lock up leading to a kernel lock up (no response from keyboard, mouse, power button, etc). Now I have disabled and deleted said screensaver. |
| 21:52.52 | De_Mon | its installing 'extra' packages emacsstuff xaw3dg |
| 21:53.06 | citral | De_Mon: what is "it" |
| 21:53.14 | De_Mon | apt-get |
| 21:53.24 | citral | and the package you want to install? |
| 21:53.32 | De_Mon | calc |
| 21:53.40 | citral | calc is for emacs |
| 21:53.46 | De_Mon | blink |
| 21:53.59 | ribnitz | De_Mon: rpncalc, xcalc |
| 21:54.02 | De_Mon | im gona feel like a tool real soon |
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| 21:54.17 | ribnitz | De_Mon: ..real sool.. |
| 21:54.27 | GlitchMaster | The error gave me a blank screen before, indicating that it happened while it was switching between screensavers. My action worked at the time, and the system went fine with a screensaver session on for several hours. I just came back, leaving it for only half an hour, and found that it had crashed... again... exactly as it had before. |
| 21:54.58 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: aur you using xlockmore to lock the screen? |
| 21:55.10 | zexr0 | I got a couple of problem, im opening konqueror and it told me application/ocstream not found MIME not found |
| 21:55.20 | zexr0 | then http protocol not supported |
| 21:55.23 | GlitchMaster | ribnitz: No. |
| 21:55.30 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 21:55.30 | dpkg | methinks dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option"DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
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| 21:55.37 | De_Mon | no wonder I uninstalled it the first time |
| 21:56.45 | ribnitz | whats that desktop background that shows where on earth there is day? |
| 21:56.59 | tarzeau | ribnitz: xplanet ? |
| 21:57.20 | ribnitz | tarzeau: would that work as a desktop backgorund? |
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| 21:57.37 | Esaj | paulswm: bzip3 :P |
| 21:57.43 | citral | paulswm: ezip |
| 21:58.04 | tarzeau | what's wrong when PS1='%n@%m:%~%(!.#.$) ' in zsh 4.2.2-1 shows the prompt on the right side as well with the hostname being bold? i only want the stuff on the left and it works like i want with older zsh versions |
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| 21:58.09 | tarzeau | ribnitz: sure |
| 21:58.10 | ribnitz | paulswm: lct, leet compression tool |
| 21:58.16 | citral | ahahaha |
| 21:58.17 | tarzeau | ribnitz: if you gave it the right parameters |
| 21:58.24 | GlitchMaster | ribnitz: I'm not sure, actually. I shouldn't be, unless it's a default setting somewhere, though I don't know where to check. xscreensaver's only parameter visible in the process list is -nosplash, as in no splash screen on startup (I don't recall disabling this...) |
| 21:58.33 | WiFiTux | tarzeau, I sent an e-mail to the owner to mantain that site, |
| 21:58.42 | tarzeau | ribnitz: now they are screwed depending on what major version of it you have |
| 21:58.55 | GlitchMaster | ribnitz: in fact, it is enabled... |
| 21:59.03 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: if you disappear . i'll know why |
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| 21:59.08 | citral | paulswm: badger would be fine, too |
| 21:59.16 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: what country do you live in? texas? |
| 21:59.19 | ribnitz | citral: snake? |
| 21:59.24 | citral | mushroom! |
| 21:59.44 | paulswm | citral: I like that. 'badger foo' has possiblities, heh |
| 21:59.46 | ribnitz | citral: whence does that factoid actually come? |
| 21:59.53 | citral | or dachs |
| 22:00.07 | Doat^ | wow.. im in x now :O |
| 22:00.12 | citral | ribnitz: hint: zappa |
| 22:00.14 | ribnitz | De_Mon: grats. |
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| 22:01.02 | ugarit | is there a way to rotate the content of the MIMEDefang directory, because after one month it "fills" up and one cannot send emails until it is emptied |
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| 22:01.34 | tarzeau | http://www.enchantedlearning.com/bgifs/Badger_bw.GIF |
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| 22:02.21 | l3m | i'm thinking about making a wlan network for my wg.. is it necessary to buy a accesspoint or can i just install a wlan pci card in my fileserver and configure it as accesspoint? |
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| 22:02.44 | PerfDave | l3m: You can put a PCI card in a server, and use it as a gateway or bridge. |
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| 22:03.33 | l3m | thanks! |
| 22:03.36 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, why is the marrilat stuff not into the debian mirrors? |
| 22:03.39 | cafuego | l3m: If you buy a compatible pci card, you can do as PerfDave suggests. |
| 22:03.45 | abrotman | !mplayer license |
| 22:03.45 | dpkg | [mplayer license] Many parts of MPlayer are covered by various software patents, which make it difficult for Debian to distribute MPlayer packages. Instead, grab debs from <marillat> or <rarewares>, or build them yourself. |
| 22:03.54 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: because Debian only distributes stuff that's actually part of Debian. |
| 22:03.56 | ribnitz | Do you still need people to man (woman?) the booth at FOSDEM? |
| 22:04.09 | WiFiTux | l3m, it's called hostap. #wireless |
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| 22:04.40 | tarzeau | aha RPS1 |
| 22:04.41 | GlitchMaster | I'm wondering if I need more memory... |
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| 22:04.52 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, marillat is not part of debbian? |
| 22:04.54 | cafuego | GlitchMaster: Probably, yes. |
| 22:04.54 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: for? |
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| 22:05.03 | WiFiTux | GlitchMaster, buy it |
| 22:05.05 | l3m | cool, thanks for the tips! |
| 22:05.09 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: no, it's not. |
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| 22:05.15 | cievo | all...Does anyone have any experiences with STREAM(Video) server ??? |
| 22:05.20 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: how much do you have? |
| 22:05.22 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, ahhhh |
| 22:05.27 | cafuego | GlitchMaster: How much do you have now and what are you running? What cpu? |
| 22:05.30 | GlitchMaster | The 256MB is almost always maxed (yes, I know it's managed well, but still...) |
| 22:05.32 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: www.debian.org/devel/people to find out |
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| 22:05.48 | GlitchMaster | Any OpenGL screensavers are quite lagged, and might be responsible for the crashing. |
| 22:05.48 | dondelelcaro | or easier, db.debina.org |
| 22:05.50 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: what do you use the box for? |
| 22:05.51 | dondelelcaro | s/na/an/ |
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| 22:06.16 | GlitchMaster | ribnitz: Just personal browsing and media. Nothing big. |
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| 22:06.56 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: get 512 (additional, one bar). mem is cheap nowadays. what does swap usage tell you? |
| 22:07.06 | PerfDave | Packages in Marillat are not official Debian packages. Marillat is not an official Debian repository. |
| 22:07.09 | WiFiTux | tarzeau, I didn't know Marillat was a person |
| 22:07.50 | GlitchMaster | I set swap to a low amount, but it isn't using ANY of it. |
| 22:07.50 | bbhill | !marillat |
| 22:07.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
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| 22:08.06 | keenan | hey guys |
| 22:08.08 | GlitchMaster | 750MB available. None used. |
| 22:08.12 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: which chipset? |
| 22:08.12 | WiFiTux | bbhill, and? he still is a guy. |
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| 22:08.25 | cyberia22 | hi, whenever i try to apt-get remove i get the followin error: 'dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-removal script: Exec format error. subprocess post removal script returned an error exit status 2' anyone know how to resolve this as i cannot apt-get any new packages. |
| 22:08.32 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: For the processor? |
| 22:08.37 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: video |
| 22:08.45 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: Radeon 7500. |
| 22:08.49 | cafuego | GlitchMaster: Well, if it doesn't have anyuthing to swap out, it won't use swap. tends to take a day or so on my box. |
| 22:08.50 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: (ATI, obviously) |
| 22:08.51 | SubSpawn | Is there simple way to set up samba with pam ? I keep getting NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE when I try to connect using smbclient, I don't want to use a seperate smbpasswd file, but simply auth using pam .. can't seem to find a decent howto anywhere |
| 22:08.55 | abrotman | hmm .. nm .. i have an intel that locks on one of the GL screensavers |
| 22:09.05 | WiFiTux | GlitchMaster, 32MB |
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| 22:09.07 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=272294 |
| 22:09.15 | ribnitz | If i use tmpfs (in swapspace) for tmp, and then fill up /tmp with say 500M, will those 500M be shown as "swapped out"? |
| 22:09.27 | cafuego | ribnitz: Eventually, yes. |
| 22:10.00 | WiFiTux | Centrino chipsets? |
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| 22:11.02 | paulswm | ribnitz: it'll use spare memory if there is any, that's the whole point of tmpfs |
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| 22:11.46 | ribnitz | paulswm: there's little. the box only has like 256M |
| 22:12.14 | ugarit | is there a way to rotate the content of the MIMEDefang directory, because after one month it "fills" up and one cannot send emails until it is emptied |
| 22:12.20 | citral | I have a very dumb question, what does IT stands for? |
| 22:12.26 | GlitchMaster | Hmm... |
| 22:12.27 | Bogaurd | im trying to compile something which needs libxml2 & libxm2-devel installed. apt-get installed libxml2, but not the development one. any ideas where i can get libxml2-devel? |
| 22:12.32 | GlitchMaster | I really like my OpenGL screensavers... :\ |
| 22:12.36 | GlitchMaster | I only use a couple, though. |
| 22:12.37 | ribnitz | citral: Information Technology? |
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| 22:12.44 | citral | thanks. |
| 22:12.57 | ribnitz | citral: amongst others. |
| 22:13.17 | keenan | could someone explain the DVD burning options available in debian? |
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| 22:13.24 | citral | I searched a while, and there is IT here, IT there, IT anywhere but never the whole meaning |
| 22:13.31 | keenan | i understand dvdrtools is in non-free for some weird license reason... |
| 22:13.58 | ribnitz | keenan: basically because it needs libdvdcss. |
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| 22:14.11 | citral | It seems to mean administrator finally, but couldn't link it directly |
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| 22:14.23 | ribnitz | citral: basically means the job of a computer science person. |
| 22:14.33 | citral | yeah that's it |
| 22:15.03 | keenan | ribnitz: i thought it was because the author of cdrtools put weird restrictions on it which apply to dvdrtools because it's a fork |
| 22:15.03 | smj | Greetings. I'm running Debian Woody and I've configured sendmail for mail support. It relays mail from the outside just fine, but can't send any local mail (from logcheck, etc.). Yesterday I disabled the msa support on port 587 so I would have one less port listening on the firewall. How do I configured sendmail to send local mail through port 25? |
| 22:15.07 | justin | ribnitz: what does IT have to do with computer science? |
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| 22:15.41 | PerfDave | keenan: I think things forked from the version before the license was changed. You can't retroactively apply licenses. |
| 22:15.44 | GlitchMaster | Hmm... |
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| 22:16.18 | keenan | PerfDave: then why is it in non-free? |
| 22:16.24 | GlitchMaster | OpenGL screensavers don't seem to cause a real memory or processor conflict (aside from using half the CPU power and slightly more memory- getting closer to the maximum...) |
| 22:16.30 | PerfDave | keenan: *shrug* |
| 22:16.39 | PerfDave | keenan: Patent reasons? I don't know. |
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| 22:16.57 | zno | do most people run woody for their production servers? |
| 22:17.11 | johnnyST | zno, I think so. |
| 22:17.13 | ribnitz | justin: i understood it being more than putting the red plug in the red socket. |
| 22:17.21 | justin | +it |
| 22:17.23 | justin | !+it |
| 22:17.23 | dpkg | italian is probably per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 22:17.28 | justin | oh well |
| 22:17.33 | johnnyST | zno, I am starting to run on sarge now as well. |
| 22:17.40 | justin | ribnitz: most "computer" jobs are "IT" jobs |
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| 22:17.47 | ribnitz | zno: hard to tell, I'd opt for sarge |
| 22:17.48 | smj | zno: Yes, I run Woody on my production servers. |
| 22:17.48 | h01ger | +de |
| 22:17.53 | h01ger | !+de |
| 22:17.53 | dpkg | from memory, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 22:18.00 | PerfDave | Computer science has very little to do with professional IT. Software engineering is much closer. |
| 22:18.01 | smj | zno: The only thing that's made me move has been hardware support in Sarge. |
| 22:18.11 | stew | zno: sarge isn't getting security updates yet which desn't make it a great candidate for production servers |
| 22:18.12 | Kbyte | I'm looking for an iso of debian installer with i2o support. |
| 22:18.19 | zno | tried to install Sarge, but I get some debootstrapping error |
| 22:18.29 | PerfDave | zno: Did you ask #debian-boot ? |
| 22:18.29 | ribnitz | justin: if they are lookig for osmeone to guard the computers form 2 to 10, they are looking for an it-specialist? |
| 22:18.35 | h01ger | zno: with debootstrap fromw woody ? |
| 22:18.37 | zno | PerfDave: no response |
| 22:18.47 | justin | stew: well, woody hasn't gotten security updates for any of the recent kernel exploits |
| 22:18.53 | h01ger | zno: you have to use debootstrap from sarge... |
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| 22:19.12 | PerfDave | zno: Did you check the errata for the version of the Sarge installer you used? |
| 22:19.15 | zno | h01ger: no I boot strapped from sarge, I downloaded the latest 2005-01-11 Sarge CD today |
| 22:19.15 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, I do too. MASQ Server, http and file server. |
| 22:19.45 | zno | PerfDave: where is the errata? |
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| 22:19.58 | PerfDave | zno: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:19.59 | h01ger | zno: so, what debootstrap error ? :) |
| 22:20.06 | PerfDave | zno: Did you read the install manual, or the FAQ? |
| 22:20.30 | PerfDave | And the web proxy |
| 22:20.30 | zno | h01ger: the bootstrap process tries to download wget (although it's already on the system) |
| 22:21.06 | zno | and debootstrap fails because it cannot download wget (probably a broken link) |
| 22:21.38 | Markrian | PerfDave, woody on what sort of hardware? |
| 22:21.40 | h01ger | zno: hmmm... no idea then... two days ago it worked for me (and the day before and...) - which mirror are you using ? |
| 22:21.57 | Bogaurd | i am reading of people installing hotwayd on debian with apt-get, but my apt-get cannot find the package :\ |
| 22:21.59 | PerfDave | Markrian: Various forms of PC, from 486s through to dual Xeons |
| 22:22.07 | zno | h01ger: how do I know which mirror the sarge iso is going to? |
| 22:22.19 | zno | the process does not ask for a mirror |
| 22:22.22 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: What is it? It might be available from a third-party mirror. |
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| 22:22.40 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: try "apt-cache search hotway" |
| 22:22.41 | h01ger | zno: yep, no mirror, the package should be on the cd |
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| 22:22.50 | kps | i've now put the hard disk whose partition table was wiped out into another machine |
| 22:22.51 | PerfDave | zno: Which install CD are you using? |
| 22:23.14 | Bogaurd | PerfDave: its a hotmail to pop3 gateway. i need it to download mail off my users hotmail accounts into their debian mail accounts. i have previously used it, though not on debian |
| 22:23.18 | zno | sarge-i386-1.iso dated Jan 11 2005 |
| 22:23.25 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: It's in debian. apt-cache search hotway |
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| 22:23.38 | smj | justin: What's this about woody not getting any security update? |
| 22:23.49 | kps | when i run "gpart /dev/hdb" it seems to find some partitions |
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| 22:24.06 | h01ger | zno: you could use rc2 |
| 22:24.06 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, that didnt return anything :( |
| 22:24.18 | PerfDave | !info hotway |
| 22:24.23 | dpkg | hotway: (POP3 to Hotmail (HTTPmail) gateway), section mail, is optional. Version: 1:0.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 22:24.30 | h01ger | zno: or ask on #debian-boot |
| 22:24.30 | kps | how should i now proceed ? |
| 22:24.32 | zno | h01ger: I'll give it a try, my linux adventures are not going well |
| 22:24.44 | zno | mepis failed, gentoo failed, woody failed, and now sarge failed |
| 22:25.00 | cafuego | zno: What kind of hardware? A 486 with 8MB ram? |
| 22:25.15 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Looks like it's not in Sarge. Find a backport, or backport it yourself. |
| 22:25.18 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, i am running woody though :'( |
| 22:25.21 | zno | spent the past 2 days downloading, burning installing and failing on various linux distros |
| 22:25.26 | justin | smj: do you see a DSA for any of the recent kernel exploits? |
| 22:25.29 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Looks like it's not in Woody. Find a backport, or backport it yourself. |
| 22:25.35 | pat5star | I've noticed with netstat that I've had a connection to port 80 constantly from one ip address...how can I investigate this further? I'd like to know why it's been connected so long and what it's actually doing! |
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| 22:25.44 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, ok |
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| 22:26.21 | PerfDave | As I understand it, there are no "official" fixes for many of the recent kernel exploits, and they don't want to implement unofficial, possibly unstable and possibly insecure fixes for Woody. |
| 22:26.33 | PerfDave | pat5star: tcpdump? |
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| 22:26.36 | Roey | hello all |
| 22:26.56 | GlitchMaster | Well, I disabled some of the more resource-demanding screensavers, and I'll be buying some memory soon. |
| 22:26.56 | justin | PerfDave: there are fixes for the sarge 2.6.8 kernels(except for the SMP exploit) the 2.4.27 kernel update hasn't come out yet |
| 22:26.58 | PerfDave | pat5star: Port 80 looks like HTTP, there are a few applications to "sniff" HTTP traffic |
| 22:27.00 | GlitchMaster | I'm going to go test this thingy. |
| 22:27.06 | pat5star | PerfDave: ok, I'll check the man page on that...having a constant connection for over a week seems like something to be concerned about don't you think? |
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| 22:27.21 | PerfDave | pat5star: Could be, could not be. |
| 22:27.26 | bohan | hi, maybe a stupid question, but what do package dependencies like '<< version-number' mean? why two '<' chars? |
| 22:27.27 | cafuego | GlitchMaster: You could just not run a screensaver. |
| 22:27.30 | smj | justin: Do any of these kernel exploits apply to the 2.4.18 or 2.2.20 kernel that woody uses? |
| 22:27.37 | pat5star | PerfDave: ok thanks, I'll read up on tcpdump |
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| 22:27.57 | PerfDave | justin: It doesn't really affect my Woody boxen, most of them have 2.2 kernels ;) |
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| 22:28.10 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, ive tried to compile it from soruce, but it needs libxml2 & libxml2-devel. the first apt-get installs, the second it cannot find |
| 22:28.19 | xam | T-Bone: I have rather good experience with 2.6 kernels. 2.6.10-rc3-pa2 ran for over a month on my C3000, moderate load, many services running |
| 22:28.19 | Roey | I was apt-get dist-upgrading to SID when I get this error on packages 'console-data', 'console-common', and 'base-config': "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" (and then again with LC_ALL and LC_MESSAGES). |
| 22:28.31 | Roey | what is missing on this system? |
| 22:28.31 | cafuego | Bogaurd: Debian's devel packages are called foo-dev |
| 22:28.38 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: How are you trying to compile it from source? With apt-get build-dep and apt-get source? |
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| 22:28.53 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: /msg dpkg simple sid backprot |
| 22:28.55 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:28.58 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, no, i downloaded the hotwayd source |
| 22:29.02 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Don't do that |
| 22:29.04 | xam | T-Bone: 34 days to be exact ... because I now updated to 2.6.10-pa8 |
| 22:29.09 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Backport the sarge or sid package. |
| 22:29.15 | xam | oop |
| 22:29.16 | boklm | smj: maybe this one: http://www.k-otik.com/exploits/20050107.elflbl.c.php |
| 22:29.16 | xam | s |
| 22:29.23 | justin | PerfDave: 2.2 is listed as vulnerable in the advisory |
| 22:29.26 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Or look on backports.org |
| 22:29.51 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: In fact, read the APT HOWTO. |
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| 22:30.06 | GlitchMaster | Whoa... apparently the screensaver "barcode" requires all of my processing power... O_o; |
| 22:30.22 | PerfDave | justin: Whoops |
| 22:30.31 | virgomoon | I need to generate formatted pages to print from a script including a single dynamically generated graphic positioned on a page. I figure I can use ImageMagick to render the graphic, but what should I use to send the formatting to the printer? PostScript, PDF, etc.? Any suggestions? |
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| 22:30.44 | boklm | http://www.isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0021-uselib.txt |
| 22:30.45 | boklm | Version: 2.2 all versions, 2.4 up to and including 2.4.29-pre3, 2.6 up |
| 22:30.46 | boklm | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.51 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, why not compile from source? |
| 22:31.11 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Because there are Debian packages available. |
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| 22:31.24 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Which will make installing easier, safer, and more apt-compatiable. |
| 22:31.30 | rootcanal | Phew - all it took was a reboot. Thanks gc for the pointer to sdn, even though the version change turned out to be a red herring. |
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| 22:31.51 | Bogaurd | i looked on backports.org, hotway isnt there |
| 22:32.04 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: So backport the one from Sarge or Sid. |
| 22:32.07 | bpence | Hello all.. it's been a while since I've messed with Linux, and I've forgotten the command to upgrade packages.. some help please? |
| 22:32.16 | PerfDave | !faq bpence |
| 22:32.16 | dpkg | bpence: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 22:32.34 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, is it difficult to backport? |
| 22:32.37 | h01ger | PerfDave: thx for /msg dpkg - whom else can i "talk" to ? |
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| 22:33.03 | Gwildor|laptop | hello |
| 22:33.10 | virgomoon | hello |
| 22:33.21 | cafuego | h01ger: apt and ravenbird |
| 22:33.28 | bpence | PerfDave: thanks |
| 22:33.35 | Gwildor|laptop | can anyone point me to a "how to get my usb to ethernet adapter working with the sarge installer"?? |
| 22:33.45 | bpence | what's the newest stable kernel? |
| 22:33.49 | smj | boklm: Thanks. This is a cool site. |
| 22:33.52 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: No, it's normally two commands. |
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| 22:33.57 | citral | !kernel |
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| 22:34.20 | citral | dpkg| The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: |
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| 22:34.20 | citral | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.22 | h01ger | cafuega: who's ravenbird ? :) |
| 22:34.27 | bpence | thanks.. |
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| 22:34.29 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, oh, ok, well how can i obtain the sarge/sid version? |
| 22:34.35 | cafuego | @what are you |
| 22:34.36 | ravenbird | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 22:34.52 | dslpajaroloco | join |
| 22:35.03 | grigora | hi, does anyone know how to create a setup to train SA (running as part of amavis) on messages delivered to a certain address? TIA |
| 22:35.03 | WiFiTux | dslpajaroloco, que es ese nick? jaja |
| 22:35.05 | h01ger | ravenbird: how can i see blootbot ? |
| 22:35.06 | ravenbird | h01ger: i haven't a clue |
| 22:35.09 | neenee | !es |
| 22:35.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 22:35.11 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: READ THE APT HOWTO. /MSG DPKG SIMPLE SID BACKPORT. Listen to what I've told you already. |
| 22:35.23 | cafuego | grigora: Yes, just pipe those messages into sa-learn -spam |
| 22:35.39 | cafuego | grigora: I have spam@mydomain and ham@mydomain for this purpose. |
| 22:35.42 | bpence | this is a very old installation I've got, and I don't have apt installed, anyone know where I can get that to make things easier on me? |
| 22:36.07 | dslpajaroloco | el dia que me aclare con irc wifitux que me den una medalla |
| 22:36.10 | PerfDave | bpence: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 22:36.24 | cafuego | bpence: Run an update via dselect. |
| 22:36.25 | PerfDave | bpence: How old, that it doesn't have apt installed? |
| 22:36.37 | WiFiTux | dslpajaroloco, you obviously are not latin. |
| 22:36.40 | Manoj_ | bpence: how old is this exactly? that may be significant |
| 22:36.40 | caphuso | PerfDave: pre-potato |
| 22:36.58 | bpence | well, it's old and a basic installation.. 2.2.19 |
| 22:37.03 | PerfDave | caphuso: I'm aware that Debian didn't always have apt, just making sure that bpence is actually running Debian :) |
| 22:37.08 | cafuego | !realspanish dslpajaroloco |
| 22:37.09 | dpkg | dslpajaroloco: está usted oculto así como retardado? |
| 22:37.27 | WiFiTux | cafuego, haha that one is also wrong... |
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| 22:37.59 | cafuego | WiFiTux: As lon g as I don't see you speaking dutch you shall not complain about my spanish ;-) |
| 22:38.08 | WiFiTux | cafuego, it's esta usted oculto o es retardado? |
| 22:38.11 | dslpajaroloco | not latin wifitux , no im very latin spanish |
| 22:38.20 | cordgil5 | is it ok to ask a question in here? |
| 22:38.25 | cafuego | WiFiTux: No, not "or" but "as well as" |
| 22:38.31 | smj | boklm: So, in retrospect, is it better to run SID if one wants the latest security updates? |
| 22:38.35 | caphuso | you can fake dutch by piping a random german text through chef(6) and deleting a couple of duplicate ee |
| 22:38.36 | citral | cordgil5: well, yes |
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| 22:38.40 | PerfDave | smj: sid doesn't have ecurity updates |
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| 22:38.49 | WiFiTux | cafuego, haha, I speak other languages aswell. italian, French? |
| 22:38.51 | cordgil5 | citral: awesome i have 2 if thats ok |
| 22:38.53 | cafuego | caphuso: yuou lieear! |
| 22:38.53 | bpence | you know, I may actually not have debian on this one.. lol.. stupid question, but where do I check to see? I know I installed debian on my other computer, but this is an old computer I just found in my junk pile and I don't know what I installed. |
| 22:39.02 | cafuego | WiFiTux: oui, un peu. |
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| 22:39.03 | citral | cordgil5: if it's not related to knoppix that's all ok ;) |
| 22:39.05 | boklm | smj: I don't know, but you can also compile your own kernel on woody |
| 22:39.08 | WiFiTux | cafuego, tre bien. |
| 22:39.11 | kendwork | anyone here use kinput2 with OpenOffice.org? |
| 22:39.12 | h01ger | cordgil5: /msg dpkg guidelines :-) |
| 22:39.12 | PerfDave | bpence: cat "/etc/debian_version" is a good start |
| 22:39.21 | citral | WiFiTux: très bien |
| 22:39.23 | cordgil5 | citral: my first one is has any one else had problems with gdesklets not starting vi apt-get install gdesklets? |
| 22:39.24 | dondelelcaro | bpence: the easiest way to tell is to see if you've got dpkg, then check what version of libc6 you've got. |
| 22:39.26 | bpence | not there |
| 22:39.37 | dondelelcaro | bpence: or, indeed, what variant of libc you've got if it's not libc6. |
| 22:39.38 | cordgil5 | i have tried everything |
| 22:39.48 | citral | cordgil5: /usr/share/doc/gdesklets |
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| 22:39.52 | cordgil5 | all deps |
| 22:39.56 | PerfDave | smj: http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html#15 |
| 22:39.57 | bpence | no debian-version, no dpkg |
| 22:39.58 | WiFiTux | cafuego, I didn't get that oculto bla bla... |
| 22:39.58 | cordgil5 | been there |
| 22:40.15 | cordgil5 | it did not help |
| 22:40.19 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Probably libc5. |
| 22:40.20 | PerfDave | bpence: I think it's fair to assume that you don't have Debian if you don't have dpkg. |
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| 22:40.25 | cordgil5 | this is the only package i have ever had a problem with |
| 22:40.35 | cafuego | if it's libc4, you may as well nuke it and start again with a sarge boot disk ;-) |
| 22:40.35 | PerfDave | bpence: Or at least, that you have a Debian version so old that you might as well just reinstall it ;) |
| 22:40.36 | bpence | PerfDave: maybe that's why I'm thinking I forgot all my commands.. |
| 22:40.36 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah... someone was just talking on -devel (or -mentors?) about libc4... |
| 22:40.37 | bpence | lol |
| 22:40.41 | cordgil5 | i have looked everywhere |
| 22:40.45 | bpence | because the programs are missing |
| 22:40.48 | bpence | haha |
| 22:41.08 | dondelelcaro | bpence: you might as well just reinstall the box |
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| 22:41.12 | cordgil5 | but i also have 1 more question if it's ok |
| 22:41.22 | h01ger | cordgil5: /msg dpkg guidelines :-) |
| 22:41.23 | cafuego | Coz upgrading from libc4/stable to lib6/stable is going to be hurties and wrong. |
| 22:41.23 | citral | cordgil5: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 22:41.28 | bpence | yeah, what is the best way to do this via the net, I don't have a cdrom in this system.. |
| 22:41.34 | cordgil5 | how can i get rid of that tux picture on the top when the kernel boots? |
| 22:41.40 | cordgil5 | h01ger: sorry |
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| 22:41.44 | citral | sigh |
| 22:41.45 | smj | PerfDave: boklm and justin were claiming that woody didn't have the latest security updates for the kernel. |
| 22:41.53 | citral | tux is teh rocks! |
| 22:41.54 | Gwildor|laptop | can anyone point me to a "how to get my usb to ethernet adapter working with the sarge installer"?? |
| 22:41.54 | smj | PerfDave: Thanks for the link. |
| 22:42.00 | cafuego | cordgil5: Compile the kernel without the picture or disable fbcon. |
| 22:42.05 | kendwork | oh well |
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| 22:42.10 | cordgil5 | fbcon |
| 22:42.12 | cordgil5 | will do |
| 22:42.13 | h01ger | cordgil5: no problem, do/read it - it says, don't ask to ask, ask. :-) |
| 22:42.13 | PerfDave | smj: There are reasons for this. Probably debian-devel has the skinny. |
| 22:42.18 | cordgil5 | thanks alot |
| 22:42.21 | smj | PerfDave: Ok. |
| 22:42.55 | Manoj_ | smj: woody is still supported, so I would be surprised if the security updates were not in place |
| 22:43.11 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: hahahaha |
| 22:43.35 | cordgil5 | citral & cafuego thanks alot :) |
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| 22:43.39 | h01ger | bpence: the d-i-wiki has instructions for net-installs (www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer) - in case you want to install sarge |
| 22:43.39 | toresbe | cafuego: Heh, yeah |
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| 22:43.56 | toresbe | cafuego: You could just make a bash script th--- oh, nevermind :P |
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| 22:44.11 | cafuego | !slap toresbe |
| 22:44.25 | PerfDave | smj: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg00036.html concerns kernel 2.4.28, for example |
| 22:44.33 | bpence | h01ger: yeah, I'm reading over that now.. any opinions on which filesystem to use? |
| 22:44.35 | toresbe | cafuego's using Windows! cafuego's using Windows! cafuego's using Windows! :P |
| 22:44.50 | cafuego | Debian to the rescue again, though, as Windoze thinkfs the HDD istoo broken to read any data off it. |
| 22:44.52 | lobster | I have a boot disk in the flopy drive. Is there some way I can tell it to use the flopy as / instead of /dev/hda1? |
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| 22:44.57 | PerfDave | cafuego: Even if you don't use IE? ;) |
| 22:44.59 | bpence | last I checked ext2 was about all there was :P |
| 22:45.05 | cafuego | PerfDave: *nod* |
| 22:45.10 | WiFiTux | at what moment is the kernel development of a branch done? like when will 2.4 will finish? till 2.4.99? |
| 22:45.16 | cafuego | bpence: ext3 |
| 22:45.17 | h01ger | bpence: i use ext3 for everything expect heavily used database- and fileservers and such |
| 22:45.25 | toresbe | WiFiTux: They generally don't finish |
| 22:45.30 | grigora | cafuego: thanks, but once Postfix delivers the message to /var/spool/mail/spam, how do I get them from there to sa-learn? another problem is that since SA is run by AMaViS the sa-learn command need to be executed by the amavis user so not to change the ownership of the database. do you have a similar setup working? |
| 22:45.52 | WiFiTux | toresbe, well, they should focuse on newer kernels, imagine all the dev's dedicated into 2.6.11 :/ |
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| 22:45.56 | bpence | well, this is basically going to be a very basic firewalling system and maybe to a little video or music playing.. |
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| 22:46.01 | cafuego | grigora: You make postfix deliver it to '|/usr/bin/sa-lean -spam' and not a mailbox file. |
| 22:46.05 | boklm | PerfDave: but they are not talking about woody |
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| 22:46.37 | toresbe | WiFiTux: Most of the dev stuff is focused on 2.6, with bugfixes and security flowing in to 2.0 and 2.2 |
| 22:46.39 | PerfDave | boklm: It was only a quick search, sorry :) |
| 22:46.54 | toresbe | WiFiTux: Believe it or not, 2.0 is still actively devved |
| 22:47.10 | h01ger | bpence: ext3 then.. don't worry - it just works. the other fs have in some use cases better optimisations... |
| 22:47.15 | cafuego | grigora: My setup uses an suid script to pipe mail into sa-learn. Your setup ould wortk find via crontab once a day of you just want to feed sa-learn the whole mailbox (and then delete it) |
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| 22:47.29 | WiFiTux | toresbe, yes, I heard that. odd, why is that? Devices that use small kernels? |
| 22:47.36 | pat5star | PerfDave: tcpdump helped me track down what that connection was...thanks again for your help :) |
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| 22:47.43 | cafuego | When is udev getting backported to 2.0? |
| 22:47.51 | bpence | h01ger: ext3 should be fine.. I'm not doing anything that requires more than a basic workstation probably would. |
| 22:47.55 | PerfDave | http://kmark.home.pipeline.com/debian.png is interesting |
| 22:48.11 | PerfDave | 2.0 isn't really actively developed, but it is actively (albeit slowly) maintained. AIUI. |
| 22:48.38 | PerfDave | I don't think that anything other than optimisations and security and bug fixes happen in the 2.0 tree. Or the 2.2 for that matter. |
| 22:48.46 | bpence | is "woody" what I'm looking to install? |
| 22:49.01 | mlewis00 | Is anyone familiar with kdebugdialog? I used it before and it had drop-down list boxes with lots of options, etc. and now when I use it it just has a check-box for each error category and a couple of standard buttons. |
| 22:49.02 | toresbe | WiFiTux: s/developed/maintained, thanks PerfDave |
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| 22:49.13 | WiFiTux | bpence, install them and you make up your mind. |
| 22:49.23 | citral | bpence: server or desktop? |
| 22:49.24 | WiFiTux | ok, mantained. |
| 22:49.24 | boklm | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/01/msg00035.html |
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| 22:49.39 | bpence | citral: yes |
| 22:49.40 | bpence | lol |
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| 22:49.56 | h01ger | bpence: if you want a solid firewall yes |
| 22:49.56 | bpence | very few server like activities, mostly desktop style stuff |
| 22:50.10 | PerfDave | bpence: Depends what you want. Woody has old (a couple of years old) software, but security updates and is very stable. Sarge has modern software, no security updates and is less stable, but not hugely so. |
| 22:50.10 | citral | bpence: that was a question... I just scrolled up and saw firewall |
| 22:50.28 | boklm | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/01/msg00045.html |
| 22:50.38 | h01ger | bpence: but if you just want a reasonable good firewall sarge should be okay... it think it depends more on the iptables-setup :) |
| 22:50.43 | bpence | h01ger: so that 2.0.40 box will be good for what I'm looking for? with maybe a couple individual updates here and there? |
| 22:50.58 | citral | bpence: if you want a really serious firewall, use woody. If you want to play mp3's watch videos and so use sarge |
| 22:50.59 | Kbyte | how I can install debian under a system that needs i2o modules at boot? Debian installer miss those modules |
| 22:51.09 | bpence | what if I want both? |
| 22:51.24 | WiFiTux | bpence, install woody bf24 and that should take care of everything. use Sarge only if you have a really new server technology. |
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| 22:51.39 | bpence | bf24? |
| 22:51.41 | simonrvn | a firewall cannot protect itself |
| 22:51.51 | WiFiTux | bpence, yes, the one with a 2.4.18 kernel. |
| 22:51.52 | cafuego | s/really new/A P3 and up/ |
| 22:51.57 | Manoj_ | simonrvn: umm, why not? |
| 22:52.11 | PerfDave | Kbyte: Which version of Debian? Have you read the Installation Manual about supplying extra modules to the installer? |
| 22:52.20 | simonrvn | think about it |
| 22:52.20 | WiFiTux | cafuego, well he could later on update the kernel! :/ |
| 22:52.21 | peterS | simonrvn: or, "but who will firewall the firewall?" |
| 22:52.21 | bpence | WiFiTux: I meant what is bf24? and where do I get it? |
| 22:52.28 | PerfDave | cafuego: I'm running Sarge on a Pentium! :) |
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| 22:52.32 | peterS | bpence: bf24 is the 2.4.18 kernel that comes on the boot floppies |
| 22:52.33 | WiFiTux | bpence, debian.org afaik. |
| 22:52.35 | h01ger | bpence: sarge is not soo bad concerning security bugs, see http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html - and security support is coming |
| 22:52.39 | cafuego | WiFiTux: it's not recommended to run a 2.6 kernel on woody. |
| 22:52.43 | citral | bpence: in your case I would install sarge with a 2.4 kernel but it's my personal opinion. |
| 22:52.45 | PerfDave | bpence: bf24 is kernel-image-2.4.18-bf24 which is the 2.4 kernel you can install with the Woody installer. |
| 22:52.48 | WiFiTux | cafuego, 2.4.27 :) |
| 22:52.51 | peterS | bpence: see http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/ |
| 22:52.57 | peterS | or something like that |
| 22:52.58 | Manoj_ | peterS: why can't a firewall protect itself? Mine drops all kinds of packets meant for itself, I call that protection |
| 22:53.03 | PerfDave | bpence: bf24 just means that it has some patches to work with "boot floppies", the old Debian installer. |
| 22:53.11 | cafuego | WiFiTux: 2.4.x is last centuries technology. |
| 22:53.30 | WiFiTux | cafuego, okok don't sophocate me. |
| 22:53.32 | peterS | Manoj_: oh, I'm sure it can. I was responding to simonrvn's statement, not making an assertion of my own |
| 22:53.46 | hipp | which is better, GRUB or LILO?? |
| 22:53.51 | citral | !best |
| 22:53.51 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 22:54.02 | bpence | so with the bf24, do I have to use floppies to install, or can I do a different way? |
| 22:54.04 | PF | Ahh, what is a happin' a Hot Stuff |
| 22:54.16 | cafuego | hipp: Yes. |
| 22:54.22 | h01ger | !best bootloader |
| 22:54.26 | WiFiTux | bpence, the CD I have is a bf24 woody, I don't remember where to download it from. |
| 22:54.28 | hipp | cafuego, huh? |
| 22:54.31 | peterS | bpence: the woody install CD includes the bf24 kernel as well as the floppy set I pointed you to |
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| 22:54.42 | PerfDave | bpence: Read the Installation Manual for Woody, it will detail the various installation methods available to you. |
| 22:54.45 | citral | hipp: also, even better. |
| 22:54.46 | cafuego | hipp: lilo or grub is better. Unless you need yaboot. Or silo. |
| 22:55.02 | bpence | yeah, I'm pretty much stuck to a floppy install or a net install.. no cdrom in this system |
| 22:55.11 | citral | the fact it boots makes it indeed better |
| 22:55.12 | hipp | caguego, i have windows partitions |
| 22:55.15 | dbuser | hi everyone, does anyone know where i can find info on connecting to mysql from a c program? |
| 22:55.17 | WiFiTux | hipp, lilo is nice, but for Sarge gru b |
| 22:55.18 | cafuego | hipp: Yes, and? |
| 22:55.32 | hipp | cafuego, lilo wont boot em |
| 22:55.34 | Gwildor|laptop | hello |
| 22:55.37 | Gwildor|laptop | can anyone point me to a "how to get my usb to ethernet adapter working with the sarge installer"?? |
| 22:55.39 | peterS | bpence: see the url I gave you, then. download root.bin and rescue.bin and driver-(1-4).bin and stick them on floppies. |
| 22:55.47 | PerfDave | hipp: lilo can boot Windows partitions fine. |
| 22:55.49 | cafuego | dbuser: Yep, libmysqlclient-dev |
| 22:55.51 | h01ger | hipp: there is a feature (raid over lvm, lvm.. dunno) lilo supports and grub doesnt, but in general grub is more user-friendly |
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| 22:55.59 | hipp | PerDave, on seperate HDDS? |
| 22:56.02 | PerfDave | hipp: Yes |
| 22:56.05 | peterS | bpence: that'll be enough to get you on the network. (the sarge installer, btw, gets you onto the network with just 3 floppies, rather than 6, so that'll be an improvement) |
| 22:56.17 | bpence | peterS: yeah, I'm used to floppy installs, I just hate trying to dig up 3 floppies anymore.. that's getting harder to do every year :P |
| 22:56.18 | WiFiTux | hipp, stop! Did you install with the Debian Installer or Sarge? |
| 22:56.20 | PerfDave | bpence: Just read http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual if you want to install Woody, it will tell you everything you need to know. |
| 22:56.26 | peterS | bpence: come to think of it, if you haven't installed debian before anyway, you may as well just go straight to sarge |
| 22:56.38 | hipp | WiFiTux, Woody 3.0 7 CD's Installers |
| 22:56.39 | bpence | PerfDave: cool, thanks.. |
| 22:56.41 | dbuser | cafuego > thanks i'll check it out |
| 22:56.41 | peterS | bpence: see www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for links to the sarge install floppies |
| 22:56.41 | PerfDave | If bpence wants security, let him install Woody FFS. |
| 22:56.49 | WiFiTux | hipp, odd. |
| 22:57.03 | citral | he wants security and mp3 and video... |
| 22:57.06 | h01ger | Gwildor|laptop: d-i-wiki or debian-boot~ ? or #debian-boot |
| 22:57.08 | hipp | WiFiTux, should i try GRUB? |
| 22:57.09 | PerfDave | Hell, he's used to running a 2.0 kernel on a very old box, Woody will seem sufficiently shiny and new without going to Sarge :) |
| 22:57.14 | cafuego | dbuser: Unfortunately mysq.org appears to be down. |
| 22:57.15 | PerfDave | citral: You can play mp3s and video on Woody. |
| 22:57.21 | citral | yes |
| 22:57.26 | WiFiTux | hipp, with woddy I have no idea. |
| 22:57.33 | bpence | the mp3 and video are more of a wish than a necessity.. my sound card is flaky on my laptop is all ;) |
| 22:57.43 | hipp | WiFiTux, how big is sarge, i could start getting it now? |
| 22:58.03 | WiFiTux | bpence, Woody! and Stop, just go try it. |
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| 22:58.16 | peterS | hipp: "how big"? gigabytes. how much do you need? who knows what you need. but you don't have to download anything you aren't actually going to use |
| 22:58.17 | WiFiTux | hipp, Sarge is nice, why, where will you install it? |
| 22:58.27 | dbuser | cafuego > yeah i noticed :/ |
| 22:58.36 | PerfDave | hipp: lilo and woody can boot your windows partitions just fine. If they're not doing so, you have a problem. Tell us about it and we will help you fix it. |
| 22:58.44 | bpence | WiFiTux: that's what I'm about to do ;) |
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| 22:58.53 | hipp | !everyone, can i post the code?? |
| 22:58.54 | peterS | hipp: if you just start with a netinst CD, or 3 floppy images, you can do the rest directly over the network, so you don't have to download big install images that only have a small amount of stuff you will actually use |
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| 22:58.57 | citral | bpence: anyway, if you're not satisfied with woody just "upgrade" to sarge. If you don't need recent version of firefox or things like that, woody will be fine |
| 22:59.01 | h01ger | bpence: if you install just a more or less plain base sarge, with an iptables-setup, you should be reasonable secure for a home setup |
| 22:59.02 | PerfDave | !paster |
| 22:59.02 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 22:59.32 | h01ger | !base |
| 22:59.32 | dpkg | somebody said base was "All your base are belong to us!", or "You have no chance to survive make your time.", and "What you say!" as well. "We get signal!" |
| 22:59.46 | PerfDave | Take off every Zig! |
| 22:59.49 | hipp | OK, Ill get everthing ready |
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| 22:59.56 | mlewis00 | citral: Firefox has been pulled from Sarge...too many RC bugs :( |
| 22:59.58 | h01ger | bpence: base is frozen as well |
| 23:00.03 | bpence | alright, lemme see what I can do.. I appreciate all the help.. |
| 23:00.41 | PerfDave | h01ger: Except any application you run in sarge which has a security hole won't get fixed for a fortnight at the minimum. |
| 23:00.42 | bpence | I'm gonna try this woody install, and if that doesn't work, then I'll do something else.. I remember running woody in the past and it was stable as hell, so we'll see if I can get it again.. thanks again everyone! |
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| 23:00.55 | citral | mlewis00: muh? I get mozilla-firefox 1.0-4 here |
| 23:00.58 | mlewis00 | citral: Oops, I read that wrong...I think I'm dreaming :) |
| 23:01.01 | SubSpawn | anyone has a solution for this small samba and pam problem ? -> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=277049 |
| 23:01.03 | Bogaurd | can someone give me a deb-src line for sid? |
| 23:01.13 | h01ger | PerfDave: but on a firewall you don't have that many applications :) |
| 23:01.31 | peterS | Bogaurd: it's the same as the 'deb' lines, except 'deb-src' in place of 'deb' |
| 23:01.43 | PerfDave | h01ger: 22:49 < bpence> very few server like activities, mostly desktop style stuff |
| 23:01.59 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Did you read the APT HOWTO? |
| 23:02.05 | Bogaurd | yes |
| 23:02.06 | paster | "TCW" at 213.146.112.242 pasted "Just a test... ignore" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/182 |
| 23:02.09 | mlewis00 | citral: Don't mind me...I need a break or something :-) |
| 23:02.17 | citral | no problem |
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| 23:02.21 | h01ger | PerfDave: ie none - protect local lan server stuff with iptables |
| 23:02.22 | TCW | whoopie... is that feature new? |
| 23:02.22 | Bogaurd | then we had a power failure :\ |
| 23:02.23 | hipp | So is Sarge stable?? |
| 23:02.39 | h01ger | hipp: no sarge is testing |
| 23:02.44 | h01ger | !sarge |
| 23:02.44 | PerfDave | !faq hipp |
| 23:02.45 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 23:02.46 | dpkg | hipp: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:03.00 | hipp | ahh ok |
| 23:03.00 | citral | but it is pretty "stable" in the crash meaning |
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| 23:03.12 | hipp | lol ok |
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| 23:03.43 | kirbymeister | chown the internet |
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| 23:04.06 | peterS | kirbymeister: 'the internet' is a pretty broad definition for "all your base are" |
| 23:04.11 | citral | chown citral.citral yourbase |
| 23:04.22 | bobbyz | hey, can anyone recommend a light blue background with colors somewhat like http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=19218&file1=19218-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=KDE+SVG+Simplify+KDE+ver.2 but that doesn't mention KDE. Preferably something that either says something about linux or debian? |
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| 23:05.14 | elnovato | does debian can run over this thing? http://www.cnet.com/4520-10602_1-5619086.html?tag=gif |
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| 23:05.23 | elnovato | its a 400 mhz procesor console |
| 23:06.05 | pezi | greetings |
| 23:06.12 | Bogaurd | bobbyz: maybe this: http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_wallpapers_full/100.php? |
| 23:06.20 | citral | my god, is that EXPENSIVE |
| 23:06.43 | citral | 400 bucks for a fucking silly gadget |
| 23:06.50 | citral | bleh |
| 23:06.52 | peterS | elnovato: most likely not. Debian does have an arm port, but I doubt the Linux kernel would support such new hardware right out of the box |
| 23:07.01 | PerfDave | elnovato: It uses an ARM processor, so there's hope. |
| 23:07.15 | caphuso | doesn"t "location-aware services" sound like "clever spam"? |
| 23:07.35 | virgomoon | I need to dynamically generate formatted pages to send to a printer consisting of one graphic positioned on a page. I'll be using ImageMagick to generate the image. What should I use for the page-layout? PDF, PS, etc? |
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| 23:07.51 | Phated | caphuso: Or "Big Brother"-type things, yes. |
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| 23:08.36 | citral | virgomoon: you could try with pr |
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| 23:08.57 | hipp | ehhh guys i cant open lilo.conf.... |
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| 23:09.05 | citral | hipp: be root |
| 23:09.11 | WiFiTux | hipp, too bad. |
| 23:09.13 | TCW | hipp, error message? |
| 23:09.16 | citral | or rather sudo vi /etc/lilo.conf |
| 23:09.21 | felipe_br | where is console.lock in debian? I need to know which user owns X display |
| 23:09.26 | bobbyz | Bogaurd, little bit dark for my prefs, but thank you |
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| 23:09.36 | virgomoon | citral: man page says thats for text formatting. Or did I miss something? |
| 23:09.40 | hipp | sudo wont work |
| 23:09.40 | elnovato | well, it will be nice to carry that thinguie instead a laptop |
| 23:09.42 | pixelmonkey | I'm trying to setup viewcvs on Debian, and it's all working except that icons aren't showing up... debconf told me I needede to alias /viewcvs/ to /usr/share/viewcvs/, but it seems what it really means is that i need to alias /doc/viewcvs/ to /usr/share/viewcvs/ in order for /cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi to work... however, how does one alias /doc/viewcvs/ (the inuitive command in httpd.conf doesn't work) |
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| 23:10.08 | citral | virgomoon: hmm you're right |
| 23:10.14 | PerfDave | pixelmonkey: Probably in the same way that /doc is aliased in the first place. |
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| 23:10.33 | hipp | ok im in! |
| 23:10.40 | jdhutchin1 | pixelmonkey, you probably need toe /doc/viewcvs alias before the /doc alias |
| 23:10.42 | citral | wow! |
| 23:11.05 | virgomoon | I've spent the afternoon looking to PostScript and PDF, but they seem to be all for text layout and simple line graphics in the PERL/PHP modules. |
| 23:11.12 | citral | virgomoon: I would use gimp then |
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| 23:11.41 | PerfDave | virgomoon: If you want to create PostScript with Perl, you might look at Template Toolkit to do it. |
| 23:11.42 | virgomoon | citral: GIMP from the command line? |
| 23:12.15 | citral | virgomoon: you didn't say you wanted a command-line tool... |
| 23:12.31 | Sababa | what package do i need to fetch if i want to install mod_php for my apache httpd server ? |
| 23:12.34 | virgomoon | citral: oh, details, lol |
| 23:12.40 | Bogaurd | im not sure what is meant by 'adding a seb-src line for sid to your sources.list'. what i did was add: |
| 23:12.41 | Bogaurd | deb-src http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/ testing main |
| 23:12.47 | Bogaurd | is that ok? |
| 23:12.48 | Sababa | Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) mod_auth_pgsql/0.9.12.1 |
| 23:12.53 | virgomoon | PerfDave: Thank, I'll look into that. |
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| 23:12.59 | Sababa | i want to add mod_php and mod_perl |
| 23:13.02 | PerfDave | virgomoon: http://www.template-toolkit.org/ |
| 23:13.03 | Sababa | how can i do that? |
| 23:13.11 | Sababa | and cgi-bin support |
| 23:13.21 | PerfDave | Sababa: "apt-cache search mod php" "apt-cache search mod perl" |
| 23:13.31 | TCW | Bogaurd, that is a deb-src entry for sarge.... |
| 23:13.42 | Sababa | it finds to many entries |
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| 23:13.46 | pixelmonkey | jdhutchin1, so wait, you mean just do Alias /doc/viewcvs/ /usr/share/viewcvs/ above the /doc/ Alias? |
| 23:13.59 | PerfDave | Sababa: So pipe the output to less. Or search for "apache mod php" or something isntead. |
| 23:14.19 | pixelmonkey | jdhutchin1, oh see I thought this wasn't working but now I see that /doc/ denies outside connections by default |
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| 23:14.48 | TCW | Bogaurd, rather do understand what woody, sarge, sid is or debian in general... then pester around with sources.list. on www.debian.org there is a good explanation about the whole stuff |
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| 23:15.03 | hipp | Guys, which main part of lilo.conf do u want |
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| 23:15.23 | e | whats the dif between sarg and woody >? |
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| 23:15.41 | cafuego | e: man diff |
| 23:15.41 | TCW | e, read for yourself! |
| 23:15.42 | PerfDave | e: Sarge has newer software but no security updates and is still changing. |
| 23:15.51 | citral | If I go on sitting on my chair all the day, my ass will be flat soon. That's not sexy. |
| 23:15.59 | TCW | hipp, how shoule WE know?! |
| 23:16.03 | cafuego | citral: get an aeron. |
| 23:16.06 | e | So sarg is the unstable one ? |
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| 23:16.12 | TCW | e, no |
| 23:16.18 | GlitchMaster | Heya. |
| 23:16.22 | hipp | who wanted to see how my lilo.conf was set up |
| 23:16.24 | TCW | e, go on reading on deboians main website! |
| 23:16.29 | PerfDave | e: /msg dpkg releases |
| 23:16.32 | Bogaurd | ok, how can i install a .deb file? using apt somehow? |
| 23:16.34 | e | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:16.37 | TCW | -o |
| 23:16.44 | citral | cafuego: http://www.hermanmiller.com/CDA/SSA/Product/0,,a10-c440-p8,00.html ? |
| 23:16.49 | PerfDave | !faq Bogaurd |
| 23:16.50 | dpkg | Bogaurd: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:17.01 | hipp | PerfDave, wanna see my lilo.conf? |
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| 23:17.18 | cafuego | citral: Indeed. |
| 23:17.36 | TCW | hipp, what the heck are you doing? Is that a kiond of "I show you mine if you show me yours!"? |
| 23:17.37 | thingfish | in my day, we had to know a girl a long time before we'd show her our lilo.conf. |
| 23:17.41 | PerfDave | hipp: I'll take a look |
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| 23:18.01 | hipp | TCW, dont worry, LILO wouldnt boot my Windows |
| 23:18.13 | cafuego | citral: The mesh keeps your ass perky, no matter how long you sit down for. |
| 23:18.16 | hipp | PerfDave, what r the main points in the conf file? |
| 23:18.23 | thingfish | yay for ass mesh! |
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| 23:18.33 | bpence | hey guys, one more question.. how do I write the images to the floppy on here? |
| 23:18.36 | TCW | hipp, why should I worry if your lilo does not boot an Operating System I don't even care of? ;) |
| 23:18.46 | citral | cafuego: looks futuristic |
| 23:18.50 | hipp | TCW, then dont make a fuss :) |
| 23:18.55 | TCW | bpence, what images? In general... man dd |
| 23:18.56 | cafuego | citral: 's been around for yeeeaaars. |
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| 23:19.01 | citral | I'd like to see the price... |
| 23:19.06 | citral | google |
| 23:19.09 | paulswm | God, ass mesh, what will they thik of next |
| 23:19.12 | cafuego | citral: No, you REALLY don't ;-) |
| 23:19.20 | pixelmonkey | citral: $1000... that's why I recommend the AllSeating Fluid instead, it's actually an affordable chair, with Aeron features |
| 23:19.27 | FabFidenza | can u suggest me a GUI telnet client for Sarge? |
| 23:19.36 | pixelmonkey | citral, by affordable I mean $400-$500 depending on what you get |
| 23:19.45 | caphuso | a GUI for *telnet*? |
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| 23:19.55 | citral | Our Price: $869.00. Argh |
| 23:20.01 | yuyu | hi |
| 23:20.07 | cafuego | pixelmonkey: Your back should be worth ANY money. |
| 23:20.15 | hipp | PerfDave, i dont know how to extract the llo.conf to the debian paste bot |
| 23:20.22 | citral | cafuego: that's true |
| 23:20.26 | PerfDave | hipp: Just copy and paste it |
| 23:20.29 | toresbe | Wow, I'm a useless programmer when I'm tired |
| 23:20.31 | pixelmonkey | cafuego, http://www.fluidchair.com/ |
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| 23:20.48 | hipp | what text editor should i be using |
| 23:20.50 | hipp | nano? |
| 23:20.50 | PerfDave | hipp: If you have lilo installed, then "man lilo" should document it. |
| 23:20.55 | PerfDave | hipp: Whatever makes you happy |
| 23:21.01 | toresbe | My plotpixel I coded yesterday accepts C, X, Y... and Z! |
| 23:21.02 | dbuser_coding | cafuego > do u know where i can find examples or something on using this to connect to mysql |
| 23:21.03 | cafuego | pixelmonkey: Friend of mine has one of them. |
| 23:21.05 | pixelmonkey | cafuego, I think my nutritional health is worth any money, but that doesn't mean I should spend $50 a meal if one can do well otherwise. |
| 23:21.09 | dbuser_coding | was it on mysq.org? |
| 23:21.11 | paulswm | FabFidenza: that's kind of a contradiction in terms seeing as how telnet is text |
| 23:21.16 | streuner_ | hipp: why not, nano is not bad. |
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| 23:21.24 | cafuego | dbuser_coding: I can be naughty and send you some sample source if you want me to. |
| 23:21.41 | dbuser_coding | cafuego > wohoo id love that |
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| 23:21.44 | pixelmonkey | cafuego, anyway, the only important thing a chair should do is keep your back straight... both the Aeron and the Fluid accomplish that. Bad chairs make you slouch and such |
| 23:21.45 | dbuser_coding | ;) |
| 23:21.55 | hipp | streuner, it wont let me copy and paste! |
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| 23:22.02 | cafuego | dbuser_coding: /msg me your email address... I'll dig something up. |
| 23:22.20 | PerfDave | hipp: If you just want to paste it into a web browser, then just use "less", select the text, click into the textarea in your web browser and middle-click |
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| 23:22.27 | paulswm | ass mesh prolly doesn't keep your back straight |
| 23:22.47 | streuner_ | hipp: /msg dpkg literal start an editor war |
| 23:22.50 | jcole | !tell me about wireless |
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| 23:24.03 | citral | actually I have a 80 Euros Ikea leather sit, not bad but I can't sit more than 3-4 hours |
| 23:24.14 | GlitchMaster | I had to take care of a few more deadly screensavers, which may not have been the cause of the most recent video-based kernel lockup, but I was being careful. |
| 23:24.26 | GlitchMaster | One strange thing though: In one instance of kernel lockup, the screen blanked to an extremely glitchy text console interface type thing (indicated by the click and visible console font). On the screen were barely-visible blocks of dark dark grey, slight variations in size. A large group of random blocks were flashing. Mixed in were characters too dark to identify and a bunch of ? signs. |
| 23:24.33 | GlitchMaster | Feel free to comment. |
| 23:24.42 | citral | being 1m93 doesn't help, too |
| 23:24.43 | elnovato | aloa |
| 23:24.43 | Tronic | error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2-2.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <= even though I have libwxgtk2.4 installed. It seems that the package doesn't contain the GTK2 version of wxGTK at all. Is there any package that would? |
| 23:24.47 | elnovato | im drunk!!! yohooooo |
| 23:24.51 | hipp | PerfDave, whats the correct syntax to type in? |
| 23:24.53 | streuner_ | citral: get wireless, you could lying in bed or whatever then ;-) |
| 23:25.01 | citral | streuner_: heh :) |
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| 23:25.39 | Tronic | Wireless is quite useful. There is nothing worth a mention that a long Ethernet cable couldn't do ;) |
| 23:25.52 | streuner_ | :-) |
| 23:25.53 | citral | would cheap wireless support 20 meters distance? |
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| 23:26.15 | TheStar | Hello, I'm on Debian stable, and I have a seg-faulting gzip. |
| 23:26.17 | streuner_ | citral: of course :-) |
| 23:26.22 | TheStar | How do I investigate this? |
| 23:26.27 | PerfDave | hipp: What are you trying to do? |
| 23:26.29 | GlitchMaster | Cheap Wireless + Walls in an older house = FWOOMP. Bad connection. |
| 23:26.31 | Tronic | citral: Not if there are obstacles. You'd need a 100 mW device for that (the cheap ones are 32 mW). |
| 23:26.39 | PerfDave | TheStar: strace? |
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| 23:26.52 | hipp | PerfDave, copy text from lilo.conf into a webbrowser |
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| 23:27.07 | TheStar | PerfDave: It's the shortest strace I've ever seen, and it is killed by SIGSEGV right after munmap() |
| 23:27.11 | PerfDave | hipp: Where do you have lilo.conf open? |
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| 23:27.24 | TheStar | Also, I can't use the debian package search. |
| 23:27.27 | hipp | PerfDave, in a console using nano |
| 23:27.34 | TheStar | Could someone check my md5sum? |
| 23:27.35 | TheStar | # md5sum `which gzip` |
| 23:27.35 | TheStar | 98b2ab9d70d81dd6fc1336ee7cf53f4c /bin/gzip |
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| 23:27.39 | PerfDave | hipp: what console? an xterm? |
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| 23:27.49 | hipp | PerfDave, yes |
| 23:27.51 | streuner_ | TheStar: woody? |
| 23:27.55 | TheStar | Yup. |
| 23:28.31 | PerfDave | hipp: Select the text you want to copy with the mouse so it's highlighted to copy, then left-click on the text area in the browser and middle-click to paste |
| 23:28.31 | paulswm | If you have a Linksys WRT54G(S) for instance you can get a firmware hack to change your power setting (the firmware's Linux) |
| 23:28.53 | chealer | WRT54G...huuum... |
| 23:29.07 | TheStar | I also have a problem with shorewall hanging whenever it tries to load modules... I wonder if it's related. |
| 23:29.11 | hipp | PerfDavem, didnt paste :( |
| 23:29.20 | streuner_ | TheStar: different one here... |
| 23:29.40 | TheStar | streuner_: Hmm. |
| 23:29.46 | PerfDave | hipp: Did it highlight when you selected it in the xterm? Did you make sure not to highlight anything else before middle-clicking? What browser are you using? |
| 23:29.49 | cafuego | dbuser_coding: Mail sent |
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| 23:29.56 | citral | /exec -o cat /etc/lilo.conf in #flood ;) |
| 23:29.58 | TheStar | streuner_: I suppose I need gzip to install checkrootkit? |
| 23:30.05 | hipp | PerfDave, Mozilla 1.0 |
| 23:30.09 | paulswm | chealer: actually the GS is faster if you're going all G and you get the corresponding network card(s) |
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| 23:30.35 | PerfDave | TheStar: Could be a faulty disk problem. Try running badblocks? |
| 23:30.36 | cafuego | dbuser_coding: It's a few library files with connect and query wrappers (and one that does queries and store results) - it won't compile, but should get you going. |
| 23:30.45 | TheStar | PerfDave: Doubt it, but here goes... |
| 23:30.55 | cafuego | dbuser_coding: Just make sure yoo include <mysql.h> in your sources. |
| 23:30.57 | PerfDave | hipp: Did it highlight when you selected it in the xterm? Did you make sure not to highlight anything else before middle-clicking? |
| 23:31.12 | felipe_br | is unstable gdm still broken? |
| 23:31.17 | PerfDave | felipe_br: Check the BTS |
| 23:31.27 | citral | hipp: /exec -o cat /etc/lilo.conf in #flood |
| 23:31.27 | TheStar | PerfDave: Can I run it on a mounted image? |
| 23:31.28 | felipe_br | sorry, ok |
| 23:31.34 | streuner_ | TheStar: well, my version of gzip is the latest |
| 23:31.43 | Bogaurd | when i use crontab -e to setup a crontab for a user, after writing and exiting, i get a message saying the crontab has a bas filename, an invalid day of the week |
| 23:31.55 | dbuser_coding | cafuego > thanks! |
| 23:31.58 | dbuser_coding | :) |
| 23:32.06 | streuner | 8ab687ecd2bef48937b4b08165206a9d /bin/gzip |
| 23:32.13 | neenee | nite. |
| 23:32.17 | TheStar | streuner_: What version is it, though? |
| 23:32.21 | PerfDave | TheStar: No idea, suck it and see :) |
| 23:32.21 | TheStar | streuner_: I think mine is 1.3.2 |
| 23:32.23 | dondelelcaro | Bogaurd: if your time is set wrong, or the user's crontab is somehow munged, that can happen. |
| 23:32.31 | TheStar | PerfDave: I don't have manpages... |
| 23:32.39 | TheStar | PerfDave: Or rather, my manpages are compressed... |
| 23:32.48 | Bogaurd | dondelelcaro, its a new crontab. i will check ym system time |
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| 23:33.12 | Bogaurd | dondelelcaro, the time is correct |
| 23:33.15 | hipp | PerfDave, yes i highlighted it but it seems that nothing will paste into a webbrowser from nano |
| 23:33.17 | streuner | TheStar: 1.3.2-3woody3 |
| 23:33.28 | dondelelcaro | Bogaurd: also, ls -l /var/spool/cron/crontabs/; as root... paste the output into #flood |
| 23:33.28 | PerfDave | hipp: Then try not using nano? Just less the file. |
| 23:33.29 | TheStar | streuner: That's mine. |
| 23:33.32 | citral | hipp: /exec -o cat /etc/lilo.conf in #flood |
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| 23:33.40 | hipp | citral, didnt work |
| 23:33.43 | PerfDave | TheStar: Google for "badblocks manpage", should be the first hit :) |
| 23:33.48 | hipp | citral, im on a different box |
| 23:33.54 | paulswm | heh |
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| 23:34.04 | TheStar | Hmm, why wouldn't shorewall restart work? It hangs on "loading modules..." |
| 23:34.08 | hipp | PerfDave, less /etc/lilo.conf ?? |
| 23:34.13 | PerfDave | hipp: Yes |
| 23:34.17 | kruzi | anyone here in Australia on optusnet cable? im having problems logging in |
| 23:34.26 | dondelelcaro | Bogaurd: the second error is because the actual content of the crontab is bad... so whatever line you added has an improper day of the week. (That's the 5th crontab field) |
| 23:34.29 | hipp | PerfDave, done |
| 23:34.40 | hipp | PerfDave, now whats the next step? |
| 23:35.13 | PerfDave | hipp: highlight the text and paste it into the web browser, as detailed before. |
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| 23:35.47 | Bogaurd | dondelelcaro, ok, cool, i found the prib :) thanks :) |
| 23:35.50 | Bogaurd | prob* |
| 23:36.26 | dondelelcaro | Bogaurd: man 5 crontab; will help you out too. |
| 23:36.29 | hipp | PerfDave, doesnt copy |
| 23:36.34 | dondelelcaro | (if you haven't already seen it) |
| 23:36.35 | PerfDave | hipp: *GAH* |
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| 23:36.56 | streuner | TheStar: chkrootkit is installable without /bin/gzip |
| 23:37.00 | simonrvn | try shift-insert |
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| 23:37.25 | Turaldane | Hey guys want to know what is the best order to install (php,mysql and apache)??? |
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| 23:37.40 | hipp | PerfDave, can i pm u and type it in there? |
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| 23:38.04 | PerfDave | hipp: Type it in by hand? You'll make a typo. If you have to type it in by hand, type it into the paster and double-check it. |
| 23:38.37 | PerfDave | hipp: Run a web browser on the machine where you're having trouble with lilo. |
| 23:38.44 | hipp | PerfDave, i am |
| 23:38.46 | Turaldane | Any Suggestions????? |
| 23:38.47 | citral | !breastfeed hipp |
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| 23:39.05 | citral | !annoy Turaldane |
| 23:39.06 | dpkg | Turaldane: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 23:39.14 | simonrvn | Turaldane: whatever order you type into your apt-get install command |
| 23:39.19 | helix | em. |
| 23:39.21 | Turaldane | Ahhh ok |
| 23:39.22 | thingfish | I can't help but wonder, is it Perfect Dave or Perforated Dave? |
| 23:39.28 | Turaldane | So it doesnt really matter??? |
| 23:39.30 | helix | perfunctory dave |
| 23:39.36 | Turaldane | Was planning to do Apache, MYSQL then PHP |
| 23:39.37 | helix | Turaldane: please stop using so much punctuation. |
| 23:39.41 | Turaldane | Sorry |
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| 23:39.57 | elnovato | how to read ISOS DVD ? |
| 23:39.57 | PerfDave | thingfish: Which suits you best? ;) |
| 23:40.02 | simonrvn | Turaldane: why would it matter? |
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| 23:40.20 | PerfDave | hipp: Use lynx or w3m or something, and load the file directly into the browser's text area? |
| 23:40.39 | dondelelcaro | helix: if it's not the interrobang, it's not ok. ;-) |
| 23:40.41 | hipp | PerfDave, sounds tough! |
| 23:40.41 | citral | elnovato: never did it, but I suppose mount -o loop -t iso9660 /dev/dvd /mnt |
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| 23:40.47 | helix | dondelelcaro: that's so true! |
| 23:40.47 | PerfDave | hipp: Not really. |
| 23:40.48 | [Cadet] | elnovato: mount -o loop path/to/iso /place/to/mount |
| 23:40.54 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: hehehe |
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| 23:41.11 | Danar | i can't get X started. it says Fatal error: no screens found |
| 23:41.22 | simonrvn | Danar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:41.24 | PerfDave | !no screens found |
| 23:41.26 | TheStar | streuner_: It appears that apt-get requires gzip to decompress packages. |
| 23:41.30 | PerfDave | !noscreensfound |
| 23:41.30 | Turaldane | Has anyone else had problems with PHP and Apache on Debian, I seem to be having issues when I try using the extension *.php it wants to download the page instead of displaying it? |
| 23:41.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" |
| 23:41.31 | Danar | i ran xf86config and went through it, but it still didn't work |
| 23:41.39 | TheStar | streuner_: I am currently getting that installed, though. |
| 23:41.51 | simonrvn | Danar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:41.55 | streuner | TheStar: i mv'ed /bin/gzip to /tmp and reinstall gzip ... |
| 23:41.57 | citral | from the obscure to the ubiquitous heh |
| 23:41.59 | Danar | k |
| 23:42.01 | Danar | thx |
| 23:42.16 | [Cadet] | Turaldane: It is not the fault of debian that you do not have apache configured correctly to serve php files |
| 23:42.19 | PerfDave | !xf86config |
| 23:42.19 | dpkg | somebody said xf86config was a good way to break Debian's X configuration. If you've not done it, ask me about "troubleshooting x". If you have, ask me about "x md5sum". |
| 23:42.31 | streuner | TheStar: you got an error message, but it will install you the package |
| 23:42.38 | PerfDave | If yo've run xf86config, you won't be able to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 23:42.46 | Danar | !troubleshooting x |
| 23:42.47 | dpkg | To troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to fix it. Ask me about "x md5sum" |
| 23:43.11 | simonrvn | !tell Danar about x md5sum |
| 23:43.16 | TheStar | streuner: apt-get --reinstall install gzip didn't work. |
| 23:43.24 | TheStar | streuner: After moving gzip to ./ |
| 23:43.35 | hipp | PerfDave, how do i extract lilo.conf |
| 23:43.38 | Turaldane | Cadet: I figured that but I use to use Red Hat (mind you hate it so why i am trying to learn to use Debian) and I didnt have a issue installing apache, mysql and php. Now all of a sudden I am using Debian i just cant get it to work |
| 23:43.40 | streuner | TheStar: uhm, here it worked. |
| 23:43.46 | PerfDave | hipp: What do you mean, "extract" it? |
| 23:43.51 | TheStar | streuner: Says: sh: gzip: command not found |
| 23:44.02 | hipp | PerfDave, well load it into a web browser |
| 23:44.08 | simonrvn | Turaldane: duh. you moved it put of your $PATH |
| 23:44.10 | streuner | TheStar: no - i meant chkrootkit not gzip, sorry. |
| 23:44.11 | TheStar | streuner: Then, I check if it *did* install gzip, no, I do not have a gzip :/ |
| 23:44.15 | [Cadet] | Turaldane: search for php in the apache config and you will be able to figure it out |
| 23:44.16 | TheStar | streuner: Ok. |
| 23:44.28 | PerfDave | hipp: Copy and paste it, or use a command-line browser and load it into the text area. |
| 23:44.39 | Turaldane | Cadet thanks mate will play with it and see what i can work out |
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| 23:44.55 | Turaldane | Cadet: Just wanted advice on what the best way to install it was |
| 23:45.01 | streuner | TheStar: just install the package otherwise |
| 23:45.02 | Danar | Okay, thx simonrvn. i'll try that |
| 23:45.19 | TheStar | streuner: It's stuck on installing gzip now. I think I'll just fix that first. |
| 23:45.31 | PerfDave | Turaldane: Total guess, "apt-get install apache libapache-mod-php4 php4-mysql" :) |
| 23:45.39 | Turaldane | I love apt-get on Debian it rocks, Fucking hate red hat with a passion but realli didnt know what the best thing was to do |
| 23:45.48 | hipp | PerfDave, lynx wont even load google.com |
| 23:45.53 | Turaldane | PerfDave: thanks dude wiull try |
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| 23:46.05 | PerfDave | hipp: Why not? |
| 23:46.08 | streuner_ | TheStar: http://weda.mine.nu/gzip |
| 23:46.09 | citral | hipp: to copy text in an xterm, select the text by pressing on the left button while moving the mouse. When the the text you xant is highlighted, press the MIDDLE mouse button (the wheel) to copy. To paste the text, just click on the MIDDLE mouse button again. |
| 23:46.14 | simonrvn | Turaldane: add mysql-server mysql-client to that list |
| 23:46.25 | Jeo | hello, I've installed ddclient on my debi and now i can not access the router anymore... ?? |
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| 23:46.41 | Jeo | someone had seen this problem before? |
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| 23:46.59 | Turaldane | Simon: Yer i did this b4 i got that info "apt-get install apache mysql-server mysql-client php4" |
| 23:47.00 | TheStar | streuner_: Thanks. |
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| 23:47.15 | chealer | Jeo: you mean debian is on your router? |
| 23:47.16 | hipp | citral, ill try now |
| 23:47.41 | TheStar | streuner_: I could've gotten it myself, but I think my firewall's blocking it, and I can't fix that until I have shorewall restart working, it hangs when it tries to load modules. |
| 23:47.42 | citral | Jeo: you mean dhclient I suppose |
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| 23:47.48 | Turaldane | Simon: when that is all done i will install "apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 php4-mysql" sound good??? |
| 23:48.02 | Varg66 | Jeo: Do you mean the DNS ping script ddclient? |
| 23:48.03 | Jeo | chealer: I dont think so... I am using the ddclient to access my custom dyndns |
| 23:48.26 | Jeo | each time my adsl changes the IP |
| 23:48.49 | Newport | hi i connect to my works vpn and i can get to evertyhing from home just fine.. my box @ work is a winxp machine.. I have a debian box at work and using rdesktop i can connect to the windows box fine.. when im at home, i cant connect to it through the vpn |
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| 23:49.21 | Newport | everyone at work on windows can use remote desktop from home to connect to their pcs |
| 23:49.23 | Jeo | since I configured the ddclient, i can not access the router in 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:49.48 | Turaldane | Simon: apt-get could not find package libapache-mod-php4 |
| 23:49.48 | PerfDave | Newport: You can't access your Windows machine at work from your Debian machine at home? |
| 23:49.48 | TheStar | streuner_: Ok, that's wierd. |
| 23:49.49 | Jeo | the ddclient is getting the IP information by fw |
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| 23:49.53 | Varg66 | Jeo: what happens when you kill the process |
| 23:49.55 | TheStar | streuner_: Yours is giving a seg fault also. |
| 23:49.56 | Turaldane | Simon: Any Ideas? |
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| 23:50.05 | Newport | is theres something i am missing or something i need to configure? i hav tryed tsclient also and same thing "connection reset by pier" |
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| 23:50.24 | Jeo | Varg66, lets see... wait a minute |
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| 23:50.30 | Newport | PerfDave: i can ping it and stuff just cant get to it using remote desktop protocol stuff |
| 23:50.43 | PerfDave | Newport: So you've got the VPN client set up on the Linux box? |
| 23:50.55 | Newport | PerfDave, yup working great |
| 23:51.03 | PerfDave | Newport: Obviously not ;) |
| 23:51.12 | Jeo | Varg66: then works |
| 23:51.12 | TheStar | streuner_: The md5sums match, btw. |
| 23:51.25 | Jeo | does it means I can not use both? |
| 23:51.35 | Newport | PerfDave, well except for that minor draw back hehe... is there something extra i need to do? like open a port or add something to the ipchains? |
| 23:51.49 | chealer | Jeo: so you're saying you have a PC with debian, a router, and when you install ddclient on the PC with debian, you can't access your router anymore from that PC? |
| 23:51.51 | Varg66 | Jeo: I'm not sure what you mean by both |
| 23:52.01 | PerfDave | Newport: I'm afraid I don't know much about VPNs. You might try using tcpdump to identify where traffic is flowing. |
| 23:52.03 | Newport | Cisco Systems VPN Client Version 4.6.00 (0045) |
| 23:52.05 | Jeo | yep |
| 23:52.20 | Newport | its 256 bit encrypted thought this vpn |
| 23:52.26 | Jeo | the router access dyndns with my dynamic account |
| 23:52.37 | elnovato | i love you debian.... use me!! abuse me!! |
| 23:52.38 | chealer | I don't see why ddclient would keep you from pinging you router |
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| 23:52.39 | PerfDave | Newport: That doesn't matter, you're interested in where the traffic is flowing, not what it is. |
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| 23:52.47 | elnovato | take my body |
| 23:52.55 | citral | elnovato: stop drinking that much |
| 23:52.55 | Jeo | and I am using ddclient because of the custom account |
| 23:53.00 | paulswm | !abuse elnovato |
| 23:53.04 | PerfDave | Newport: See if you get any traffic flowing down your external interface when you try pinging and rdesktopping down the VPN, for starters. |
| 23:53.05 | Newport | and weird thing is, i have a vnc server on that box at work too.. when i connect using vnc, i get half the screen then it disconnects |
| 23:53.20 | hipp | PerfDave, its a joke, it wont paste |
| 23:53.21 | Newport | so use tcpdump? |
| 23:53.24 | PerfDave | Newport: Could it be some firewall on the Windows box not allowing remote connections? |
| 23:53.33 | Jeo | chealer: what happens is that I can not access the router and ddclient is on |
| 23:53.34 | Varg66 | Jeo: If ddclient kills your connection to the router; how are you on irc |
| 23:53.35 | PerfDave | Newport: Anyway, yeah, try tcpdump. |
| 23:53.44 | PerfDave | hipp: So use a console-mode browser like lynx. |
| 23:53.50 | Newport | dont think so cause i can hit it from a windows box via vpn |
| 23:53.57 | karsten | Varg66: TCP-over-ESP. |
| 23:53.58 | chealer | Jeo: but internet still works? |
| 23:53.58 | Jeo | interesting... I can ping, browser |
| 23:53.58 | hipp | PerfDave, lynx aaint working |
| 23:54.01 | PerfDave | Turaldane: Please don't PM me |
| 23:54.04 | Varg66 | haahha |
| 23:54.06 | Jeo | but not access the router |
| 23:54.07 | PerfDave | hipp: So fix lynx. Or fix something. |
| 23:54.19 | Jeo | yes, it works |
| 23:54.21 | TheStar | How do I load a module? |
| 23:54.30 | karsten | TheStar: man modprobe |
| 23:54.30 | citral | hipp: is the box with your lilo.conf online? |
| 23:54.31 | chealer | TheStar: modprobe |
| 23:54.37 | TheStar | Thanks. |
| 23:54.39 | hipp | citral, yes it is |
| 23:54.44 | Jeo | Varg66 tell me to kill the pid ddclient then i could access it again |
| 23:54.50 | citral | hipp: lynx google.fr |
| 23:54.53 | PerfDave | Jeo: Some routers only allow one connection via telnet, if ddclient is connecting via telnet to determine the external IP, then you won't be able to telnet to it. |
| 23:55.10 | Newport | ahh just installed tcpdump.. this thingger rules! |
| 23:55.20 | paulswm | PerfDave: see ya |
| 23:55.22 | karsten | Newport: Heh. Try ethereal as well. |
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| 23:55.46 | thingfish | nite, PerfDave |
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| 23:55.52 | Jeo | I am doing something wrong, i guess... I did not tell it to access by telnet |
| 23:55.57 | hipp | citral, HTTP request sent:waiting for responce |
| 23:56.20 | Jeo | I set the ddclient with use=fw |
| 23:56.20 | Newport | man i used redhat and fedora for the last 3 years and got sick of fedora and all its issues... ive been on debian for a little over a week now and ill tell you one thig.. im here to stay!\ |
| 23:56.31 | Jeo | placed username password etc etc |
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| 23:56.48 | Jeo | how can i tell it to use another port or connection? |
| 23:57.10 | citral | read the manual? |
| 23:57.11 | Varg66 | Jeo: I think you want use=web |
| 23:57.13 | thingfish | Newport: my story too, except I've been on debian for about a month or two now. |
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| 23:57.25 | Newport | thingfish, it really rocks |
| 23:57.27 | Varg66 | Jeo: And then forward the ports you want to your local IP |
| 23:57.49 | paulswm | Newport, thingfish, good for you guys, that's great |
| 23:57.51 | karsten | Newport: Just don't go trying Ubuntu on us ;-) |
| 23:57.53 | thingfish | Newport: debian really is the best linux, from my experience so far. |
| 23:57.58 | Newport | i almost went to gentoo until i did some reading and found out u compile evertything... blah to that :) |
| 23:58.19 | Jeo | I can not just place more then one domains in my router? |
| 23:58.26 | thingfish | I'd been with redhat since 7.3, fedora since its inception, but all the problems just got to be too much. |
| 23:58.26 | Varg66 | I can to debian from fedora and gentoo...its the best |
| 23:58.27 | karsten | Newport: I crossed over from RH msyelf, 1999. I'll run RH for $$, but not otherwise. |
| 23:58.44 | Jeo | I mean, i have my bla.dyndns.org |
| 23:58.51 | Jeo | could not be |
| 23:58.51 | Bogaurd | ok, i installed hotwayd on my linux box. dpkg said that it comflicted with pop3server, but thats only because it runs on the same port by default. now when i try to use apt-get, it wont do anything because of the conflict. how can i tell it to always ignore this conflict? |
| 23:59.03 | Jeo | bla.dyndns.org, mypage.com |
| 23:59.10 | Frost | Does anyone know if it is possible to make a Linksys Wireless card work under Linux? The configueration utility dos'nt evan see the card. |
| 23:59.12 | paulswm | karsten: man, than's a very quick wit |
| 23:59.18 | Newport | ok im gonna try to monitr the traffic and see what i get.. ill brb |
| 23:59.27 | hipp | citral, its just hanging |
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| 23:59.38 | citral | hipp: ping google.fr |
| 23:59.38 | spiekey | hiho |
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| 23:59.55 | spiekey | is there a "runlevel editor" tool for debian? |
