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| 00:00.09 | valdyn | chip__: if I understand you correctly, then no you cant, but whats bad about the gnome file selector? |
| 00:00.09 | PerfDave | pusling: Possibly a plugin error or something. |
| 00:00.19 | kingsley_ | Which editor is best at writing files in MS Word and PDF formats? |
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| 00:00.25 | digijohn | Also suggests "noapic" as a kernel option |
| 00:00.26 | pusling | doub / PerfDave: I moved it back - and it still works ?? |
| 00:00.30 | sgeigerbot22 | bloom: Thanks. I did "tune2fs -e continue <filesystem>" Is there anything else I should be paying attention to in the man page? |
| 00:00.40 | PerfDave | kingsley_: OpenOffice.org Writer will do those both well. |
| 00:00.43 | burd | kingsley: openoffice.org does it failry well |
| 00:00.52 | nvz | right now I seem to have a shared socket that all processes use, and its not very good at keeping track of where things are going this way |
| 00:00.54 | chip__ | well, the icon packs i use have hundreds of directories, instead of copying and pasting the names of each it would be alot easier to click through them |
| 00:00.56 | bloom | sgeigerbot22: I didn't see any way to actually turn off the dirty bit, so I can't think of anything else specific |
| 00:01.15 | tobo | if i install mythtv from cvs, am i to uninstall the dpkg's first? |
| 00:01.22 | doub | pusling: is it using your own config ? maybe an instance was still running, causing it not to re-read the config |
| 00:01.30 | kingsley_ | PerfDave & burd: What verison(s) of openoffice.org are you using? |
| 00:01.35 | sgeigerbot22 | bloom: while that seems to fix the remounting issue, it doesn't change the fact that the filesystem still thinks it is larger than it is. Is there something I can do to fix that (other than using resize2fs)? |
| 00:01.36 | PerfDave | tobo: You mean compile from CVS, or use Debian packages from CVS? |
| 00:01.45 | directhex | tobo, anything you compile from cvs should go into /usr/local or /opt, not /usr |
| 00:01.46 | PerfDave | !info openoffice.org sarge |
| 00:01.48 | humbolt | what to type to get grub recognized as default bootloader by debconf in order to have debconf add grub entries for new kernel images installed? |
| 00:01.51 | hmakholm | digijohn: It turns out that "wa" means time spent waiting for I/O. |
| 00:01.52 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (high-quality office productivity suite), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.1.2dfsg1-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 6768 kB, Installed size: 29164 kB |
| 00:01.57 | bloom | sgeigerbot22: no idea |
| 00:02.01 | PerfDave | kingsley_: ^^that one :) |
| 00:02.05 | sgeigerbot22 | bloom: thanks |
| 00:02.06 | burd | kingsley: 1.1 |
| 00:02.11 | directhex | tobo, but there si no mythtv in debian, so god knows what's specific to the packages you'[re using |
| 00:02.21 | tobo | PerfDave, directhex: i mean compile from cv... |
| 00:02.22 | valdyn | chip__: oh that sounds to me more like you want to do the icon assigning part of making a new gnome theme, i know nothing about that, dont think theres any gui support for that at all |
| 00:02.30 | PerfDave | tobo: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 00:02.33 | sgeigerbot22 | cafuego: thanks for your help, too. Here's a coupon for a 12-pack. |
| 00:02.35 | kingsley_ | burd: 1.1.what? |
| 00:02.36 | humbolt | how can I rerun the base config things that are done on plain new sarge install? |
| 00:02.43 | chip__ | valdyn: alright, thanks |
| 00:02.48 | tobo | directhex: deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv |
| 00:02.59 | nvz | humbolt: base-config |
| 00:03.01 | digijohn | hmakholm: So it sounds like the problem is with the hard drive, maybe? |
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| 00:03.17 | directhex | tobo, i don't care. follow the advice you've been given |
| 00:03.19 | hmakholm | digijohn: That would be consistent with the kernel trouble report you spotted. |
| 00:03.41 | tobo | ok, tnx for the help guys |
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| 00:03.57 | digijohn | Gar. Okay, I added "noapic" to kernel options, hopefully that will help. How do I rewrite the grub data to the boot sectors? |
| 00:04.35 | hmakholm | I have no idea; I'm still using lilo myself |
| 00:04.54 | pusling | lilo rocks ;) |
| 00:04.58 | directhex | digijohn, you don't need to with grub |
| 00:05.02 | cafuego | digijohn: You don't. no need to. |
| 00:05.17 | cafuego | digijohn: grub reads the cfg file off the drive at bootup. |
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| 00:05.20 | burd | kingsley: Version: 1.1.2dfsg1-3 |
| 00:05.22 | robin_sz | imagine for a minute I managed to accidentally upgrade perl and perl-modules on my testing to unstable ... and I want to put them back as they were 10 minutes ago... but withut removing every perl dependency on the system in the process ... |
| 00:05.27 | humbolt | nvz: base-config does not show an option for setting or reinitializing the bootloader. When I installed this system first, I started from woody (one year ago) and so it thinks it has to use lilo eventhough I have changed over to grub by hand. |
| 00:05.37 | digijohn | okay, thanks |
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| 00:05.47 | nvz | humbolt: that was not in base-config, that was in the installer on the cd. |
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| 00:05.50 | kingsley_ | PerfDave & burd: Thanks. |
| 00:05.56 | directhex | humbolt, 'by hand' meaning? |
| 00:06.20 | nvz | directhex: meaning not in the installer he things is base-config |
| 00:06.25 | pusling | hmakholm: are you brothers brother ? |
| 00:06.35 | hmakholm | pusling: One of them. |
| 00:06.46 | nvz | humbolt: what is it you want to do? |
| 00:07.04 | nvz | humbolt: because you do not want base-config if you have to do something with a bootloader |
| 00:07.04 | hmakholm | pusling: He's "brother" because the university already had a "makholm" account when he enrolled. Mine. |
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| 00:07.31 | pusling | hmakholm: haha |
| 00:08.13 | hmakholm | pusling: When I applied for Debian maintainership I considered returning the favor and become brother@debian.org .. but decided that would probably be confusing, |
| 00:08.26 | Abysmal | whats the process for adding a new scsi drive to a debian box.. so far the system sees the drive as sdb.. i have fdisked the drive and created a linux partiton (sdb1) and when i try to mount it as /dev/sbd1 to /mnt/sdb I get an unable to find mount point error.. |
| 00:08.30 | digijohn | Gar. I rebooted, but no dice. The system boots fine all the way up to "starting MTA:", then everything slows down. way down. |
| 00:08.49 | hmakholm | Abysmal: Again: does the directory you want to mount as on already exist? |
| 00:08.53 | humbolt | nvz: I wanna make debconf aware of the fact that I am using grub. I want debconf entering the proper lines when I install a new kernel image. It is not that I would not be able to do that by hand, but I like to use the confort of debconf since I know it can do that (it does on my laptop [new debian installer installation]) |
| 00:09.00 | Abysmal | yes the dir exists |
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| 00:09.24 | pusling | hmakholm: which packages are you mantaining ? |
| 00:09.36 | hmakholm | Abysmal: That is, you already have a directory called /mnt/sdb? |
| 00:09.38 | nvz | humbolt: did you remove lilo? its supposed to work like that with whatever is installed |
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| 00:09.52 | hmakholm | pusling: bibclean, autotrace, vaiostat |
| 00:09.55 | Abysmal | yes.. /mnt/sdb was created |
| 00:09.58 | humbolt | I did |
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| 00:10.18 | hmakholm | Abysmal: Strange. What is the exact mount command that fails? |
| 00:10.28 | PerfDave | humbolt, nvz: /etc/kernel-img.conf might be useful? |
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| 00:11.01 | directhex | woo! i learned something! |
| 00:11.12 | PerfDave | Mine has these lines: "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" |
| 00:11.33 | directhex | i don't need it, but that's good knowledge |
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| 00:12.07 | hmakholm | digijohn: Hm, boot into single user mode and nuke the /etc/rcN symlinks to the mail transport agent. |
| 00:12.18 | hmakholm | digijohn: Then it'll be easier to investigate further. |
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| 00:13.07 | Abysmal | <hmakholm> .. I think I got it fixed.. i was one dir too high.. I have mounted the drive now.. all it has is a lost and found dir in it.. is this correct.. and since I have mounted it fstab sould work as well on boot right?? |
| 00:13.15 | xJaMokiEx | is there a way to update the mozilla installed by default by the cd's |
| 00:13.21 | xJaMokiEx | i would like to install firefox |
| 00:13.29 | digijohn | hmakholm: Okay, don't I need the MTA though? |
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| 00:13.55 | hmakholm | digijohn: You need the MTA, but you can do without while you investigate. |
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| 00:14.05 | nvz | digijohn: tell him put down the crackpipe |
| 00:14.15 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start an mta war |
| 00:14.16 | ravenbird | smail has shitty documentation |
| 00:14.23 | hmakholm | Abysmal: If there is not supposed to be anything on the disk, then "just lost+found" is indeed correct. |
| 00:14.26 | Lego` | Bad boys bad boys, what ya gonna do when they come for you |
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| 00:15.00 | hmakholm | digijohn: (so remember which links it is you move out of the way) |
| 00:15.08 | nvz | digijohn: if you really need to stop the mta, its easier to ask the script to stop, and put an exit 0, command at the top or something, rather than manually deleting a bunch of symlinks |
| 00:15.28 | digijohn | nvz: exit 0? |
| 00:15.34 | jonesy | Lego`: try #australianidolwannabes |
| 00:15.40 | hmakholm | xJaMokiEx: If you run testing just apt-get install mozilla-firefox. |
| 00:15.41 | Lego` | hah |
| 00:15.50 | Lego` | "* Now talking in #australianidolwannabes" |
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| 00:15.51 | cafuego | !caseysmack jonesy |
| 00:15.55 | nvz | digijohn: yeah exit, its a shell command 0 just means like no error or something |
| 00:16.02 | sgeigerbot22 | bloom & cafuego: I finally got the system to boot. I noticed that the MTA was trying to access files that apparently were in the area of the filesystem that didn't exist... So inside a chroot of that filesystem I did "update-rc.d -f sendmail remove" and then "tune2fs -e continue <filesystem>" ...unmounted the filesystem, started up the virtual machine, and then the thing came up, as desired. I'm not really sure what I should |
| 00:16.02 | sgeigerbot22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.03 | bob2 | haley went to my high school |
| 00:16.04 | bob2 | fyi |
| 00:16.05 | nvz | digijohn: they are just shell scripts |
| 00:16.13 | Lego` | www.caseydonovan.com |
| 00:16.16 | hmakholm | nvz: OK, I should have thought of that. |
| 00:16.24 | helix | ehm. |
| 00:16.30 | cafuego | bob2: haley? |
| 00:16.34 | nvz | yeah Haley went to my highschool too.. out of context |
| 00:16.38 | cafuego | !cafuegosmite helix |
| 00:16.43 | nvz | heh |
| 00:16.43 | FieldySnuts | hah |
| 00:16.44 | digijohn | nvz: So just put that at the start of the mta's script? |
| 00:16.46 | sgeigerbot22 | !+haley |
| 00:16.52 | sgeigerbot22 | :-) |
| 00:16.53 | bob2 | cafuego: I think she was on australian idol |
| 00:16.54 | Abysmal | so now in fstab I add /dev/sdb1 /data ext3 defaults,noatime 1 1 to mount it as the /Data volume or do I have to create a /data volume on my root?? |
| 00:17.07 | cafuego | Talentless moron? |
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| 00:17.14 | bob2 | haha |
| 00:17.16 | hmakholm | digijohn: Yes, right after the #! line. |
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| 00:17.20 | cafuego | (all the others are) |
| 00:17.20 | nvz | digijohn: its a little easier to undo |
| 00:17.22 | bob2 | Abysmal: unix is case sensitive |
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| 00:17.26 | Lego` | cafuego, pretty much |
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| 00:17.34 | cafuego | I did meet Shannon Knoll last year (he's ALSO a dickhead) |
| 00:17.49 | FieldySnuts | guys named Shannon hehe |
| 00:18.01 | nvz | heh, decides to watch more tv. |
| 00:18.01 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Singing songs about "big black cards" |
| 00:18.10 | cafuego | s/card/car/ |
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| 00:18.12 | Lego` | cafuego, did you hear about the whole website scandal? |
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| 00:18.35 | cafuego | Lego`: No, I don't watch the news on the commercial channels (or any of their other programs) |
| 00:18.43 | digijohn | Okay... would it help if I installed, say, kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 rather than the current 2.6.8-1-i386 that is installed? |
| 00:18.51 | PerfDave | Abysmal: You need to create a folder to mount something on it. |
| 00:19.01 | Lego` | cafuego, her name was Casey Donovan, also a famous gay porn star. |
| 00:19.31 | cafuego | Lego`: Oh, the bigpond moronism... yeah, read that on Whirlpool. |
| 00:19.41 | Lego` | ;) |
| 00:20.16 | Lego` | What isp are you with? |
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| 00:20.23 | cafuego | Internode |
| 00:20.31 | bob2 | yay internode |
| 00:20.31 | Abysmal | PerfDave .. i want a system/user wide volume.. so I create it at the root level (/) and mount it ther correct.. |
| 00:20.39 | bob2 | except something takes my dsl down for hours a day |
| 00:20.45 | cafuego | bob2: Telstra |
| 00:20.46 | PerfDave | Abysmal: I keep my mount points in /mnt personally |
| 00:20.46 | bob2 | with 'unable to get ip from pppoe server' errors |
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| 00:21.06 | cafuego | bob2: Running pppoe on Linux or an embedded box? |
| 00:21.09 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Kangaroo's? |
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| 00:21.20 | Lego` | cafuego, internode seems to the the bomb. That and netspace. |
| 00:21.39 | bob2 | cafuego: shitty dlink dsl modem in bridge (I think?) mode with a wrt54g doing the dialing |
| 00:21.51 | virgomoon | bob2: Hey, I went out and traded that CD-R drive in for a new one today. It works like a charm now. |
| 00:21.57 | bob2 | virgomoon: hah |
| 00:22.09 | xJaMokiEx | anyone here familiar with gdesklets? |
| 00:22.11 | cafuego | Lego`: netspace DSL used to be OK (i churned from them to node a year ago), but their dialup is worse then shit. |
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| 00:22.22 | cafuego | Lego`: .. and netspace's website was pretty much dead on sunday. |
| 00:22.27 | bob2 | xJaMokiEx: probably best to just ask |
| 00:22.32 | Abysmal | PerfDave .. so mount in /mnt and do a symbolic link down to the root? |
| 00:22.32 | Lego` | Who uses dialup these days anyway |
| 00:22.33 | hoarycripple | I am trying to get exim4 to use TLS when connecting to smtp.gmail.com. I have generated the keys, and enabled the required options in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template (as per the docs). I still can't connect to gmail though, and get the following error: |
| 00:22.39 | sgeigerbot22 | When I start up my MTA, it remounts the root filesystem read-only. |
| 00:22.49 | virgomoon | bob2: the only problem I'm having now is figuring out how to get the md5sums from 'md5sum /dev/scd0' and 'md5sum <image>.iso' to match. |
| 00:22.52 | hoarycripple | (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 00:22.54 | sgeigerbot22 | What can I do to undo this remounting? I didn't realize that it could get remounted like this. |
| 00:22.58 | cafuego | Lego`: People who send 2 emails a week ;-) |
| 00:23.04 | cafuego | Lego`: Still, that's no excuse. |
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| 00:23.10 | hoarycripple | why is this not working? |
| 00:23.19 | Lego` | cafuego, even then DSL is pretty cheap. Its down to what, $21.00 a month? |
| 00:23.26 | xJaMokiEx | bob2: I just installed via apt and its saying i don't have the sensors to run the program |
| 00:23.27 | cafuego | bob2: Does it work Ok if you let the modem itself do the dialing in? |
| 00:23.28 | nvz | hmmz.. I came in here and some gay assed music was on.. that kid must have fux0red with my radio |
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| 00:23.42 | PerfDave | Abysmal: Why would you need to clutter up your / with that? |
| 00:23.44 | nvz | and seems to have taken off with my remote |
| 00:23.56 | cafuego | Lego`: Yeah.. but on those low plans you DO generally get set-up fees and modem costs. |
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| 00:24.16 | bob2 | cafuego: I'm not sure, tbh...if I do that, then I'd go through two layers of NAT...unless I could make the wrt54g run as a wireless bridge or something |
| 00:24.33 | paulswm | well while you guys have been busy in here, I successfully transformed a data file, reversed the transformation and got it back exactly, I know it don't sound too thrilling |
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| 00:24.52 | Lego` | TPG has free setup and free modem.. :) |
| 00:24.55 | digijohn | whoa |
| 00:24.55 | cafuego | paulswm: cat foo | rot13 | rot13 > foo2 |
| 00:24.58 | cafuego | paulswm: hurray! |
| 00:24.58 | thingfish | yum, port! |
| 00:25.04 | virgomoon | paulswm: had you ever done it before? |
| 00:25.10 | thingfish | I haven't had any good port in ages. |
| 00:25.15 | Lego` | cafuego, but then your paying for crap quality. |
| 00:25.36 | cafuego | Lego`: just checking the plan finder now :-) |
| 00:25.41 | az[a]zel | internode is teh r0x0r.. though I hope they lower their prices/improve their plans soon |
| 00:25.52 | paulswm | cafuego: the goal is a better faster bzip2 but I'm doing a clean room design, not looking at the bzip2 source |
| 00:25.53 | Lego` | cafuego, god I love whirlpool. :) |
| 00:25.54 | digijohn | When I disabled the MTA, suddenly I don't have problems anymore |
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| 00:26.00 | digijohn | Anyway, gotta go. Later |
| 00:26.49 | hmakholm | Of course he doesn't have problems when he disabled the program going awry. |
| 00:26.56 | hmakholm | Sigh. |
| 00:27.02 | cafuego | Lego`: Alphalink wireless 256/64 500Mb @ $19.90 pm |
| 00:27.04 | paulswm | Burrows Wheeler transform, not easy writing it from scratch |
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| 00:27.13 | Lego` | cafuego, pretty darn cheap ;) |
| 00:27.23 | Lego` | For email only .. |
| 00:27.26 | virgomoon | paulswm: It sounds impressive. Does that count? |
| 00:27.44 | bob2 | hah, I do more than 500mb of emaila month |
| 00:27.51 | WiFiTux | Is there a way to install woody with a newer kernel? or maybe there are 2.4.26 woodys? |
| 00:28.02 | cafuego | bob2: But not wirelessly. |
| 00:28.03 | Lego` | bbl |
| 00:28.05 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Install woody, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 00:28.06 | bob2 | xJaMokiEx: er, you'll need to configfugure lm-sensores yourself, too |
| 00:28.11 | paulswm | virgomoon: it's kind of hard to do it fast and in a reasonable amount of memory |
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| 00:28.16 | bob2 | WiFiTux: backports.org |
| 00:28.22 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, need a 2.4.26+ for the sata |
| 00:28.29 | WiFiTux | bob2, ok. |
| 00:28.29 | bob2 | virgomoon: that means the cd still didn't burn properly |
| 00:28.38 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Look for an unofficial Woody installer then. |
| 00:28.41 | bob2 | virgomoon: or you have an excessively bad cd drive (like mine) |
| 00:28.51 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, and I don't want sarge cause of the initrd thing that I can't compile |
| 00:28.56 | virgomoon | bob2: It's brand new. |
| 00:28.57 | bob2 | WiFiTux: you're probably better off just going with sarge at this point... |
| 00:29.08 | cafuego | Lego`: Their 1.5M/256 10GB wireless is $77 as well... also not bad. |
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| 00:29.19 | bob2 | WiFiTux: er, all the woody kernels except the install one use initrd, too |
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| 00:29.24 | WiFiTux | bob2, I don't know how to compile a kernel with sarge |
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| 00:29.34 | paulswm | well see ya tomorrow, stay safe everyone |
| 00:29.37 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: wireless in this case means? |
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| 00:29.43 | bob2 | WiFiTux: it's the same as in woody |
| 00:29.48 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Checking... |
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| 00:29.55 | virgomoon | bob2: I've been playing around with the padding, but I'm redownloading the latest images. After I get that, I'm going to try it again and see what I get. |
| 00:30.00 | bob2 | cafuego: hrm, that is pretty good then |
| 00:30.03 | Vladi | what was the kernel boot option to disable smp? |
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| 00:30.13 | bob2 | Vladi: sure there is one? |
| 00:30.24 | Vladi | bob2: preaty sure |
| 00:30.51 | kensai | there isn't any project of making debian repositories with optimized packages? or the only way to optimize is apt-build? |
| 00:30.53 | WiFiTux | bob2, ok, help me up here. If I install woodybf24 I can make a custom kernel. If I install sarge I cannot. I only do make-kpkg clean ; make-kpkg --revision=pc.v1.1 kernel_image and then install it and I'm done. |
| 00:30.59 | WiFiTux | works that way with woody. |
| 00:31.01 | dondelelcaro | kensai: they already are optimized. |
| 00:31.10 | cafuego | bob2: They also have a 2Mbit / 31GB $99 plan |
| 00:31.10 | virgomoon | bob2: Just wanted to thank you for the help last night. I gotta run and get these toddlers out of the bath before they shrivel up. |
| 00:31.13 | kensai | dondelelcaro, for i386 |
| 00:31.21 | bob2 | cafuego: man, that's better than my dsl, bah |
| 00:31.25 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: probably 802.11a with a tunnel on it. |
| 00:31.33 | bob2 | kensai: perhaps you should do some reasearch first? |
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| 00:31.35 | dondelelcaro | kensai: further optimization of the actual compiles is a non-trivial process, and requires that you actually build the binaries in a manner specific to your machine. |
| 00:31.35 | cafuego | bob2: Your DSL will work in heavy rain, though ;-) |
| 00:31.43 | Vladi | bob2: yea i think its nosmp |
| 00:31.43 | WiFiTux | cafuego, what plans are those? |
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| 00:31.51 | bob2 | kensai: for instance, libc6-686 and the fact openssl includes binaries for several subarches? |
| 00:31.56 | bob2 | cafuego: hah |
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| 00:32.04 | dondelelcaro | kensai: in the cases where it is known to make a difference, the optimization is already present. |
| 00:32.05 | bob2 | virgomoon: heh, you're welcome |
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| 00:32.37 | WiFiTux | bob2, PerfDave any idea? :~) |
| 00:32.39 | bob2 | WiFiTux: er, do you mean "If I install the woody bf2.4 kernel source it works, bt not if I use sarge's 2.6.9 source"? |
| 00:32.50 | kensai | dondelelcaro, thanks and thanks bob2 as well |
| 00:32.55 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: No, they use 802.11b/g |
| 00:33.01 | virgomoon | bob2: it's kinda nice to have a few folks around here to ask otherwise stupid questions to without getting jumped and berated |
| 00:33.11 | cafuego | And a yagi antenna. |
| 00:33.12 | bob2 | hah |
| 00:33.30 | cafuego | And pptp. |
| 00:33.36 | WiFiTux | bob2, no, when I install with woody and the apt-get any kernel, it works. If I install with sarge and apt-get any kernel, it does not work! not even with same .config's or manually created |
| 00:33.36 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ah... for a while I was hoping that it was some sort of cellular plan... that would be very nice. |
| 00:33.37 | rovragge | Reinstallation of libfontconfig1 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
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| 00:33.48 | rovragge | what can I do about this? |
| 00:33.54 | bob2 | WiFiTux: you need to be a lot more specific |
| 00:34.06 | dondelelcaro | rovragge: either upgade to the newest version, or add an sdn line for fontconfig |
| 00:34.07 | bob2 | WiFiTux: if you're trying to use any sarge kernel config, that will indeed not work, since you have to use initrd |
| 00:34.09 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: They are available too. 384Kbps/500Mb $99 |
| 00:34.23 | bob2 | WiFiTux: if you configure your own kernel, it will work fine |
| 00:34.26 | rovragge | dondelelcaro: which package is newest? |
| 00:34.31 | bob2 | WiFiTux: but what is the point of rebuilding using the exact sae config? |
| 00:34.32 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: i played with one a while ago at a tradeshow; our stand was next to their stand :-) |
| 00:34.34 | WiFiTux | bob2, ok!!! when you say initrd, what do I have to do? |
| 00:34.34 | dondelelcaro | !info libfontconfig1 |
| 00:34.38 | rovragge | dondelelcaro: sdn line? |
| 00:34.39 | dpkg | libfontconfig1: (generic font configuration library (shared library)), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 87 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 00:34.40 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: very nice... |
| 00:34.45 | dondelelcaro | !tell rovragge about sdn |
| 00:34.55 | bob2 | WiFiTux: why are you rebuilding it anayway? |
| 00:34.56 | dondelelcaro | !info libfontconfig1 sarge |
| 00:34.56 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Got Linux as far as getting an IP, but didn't manage to transfer any data. |
| 00:35.00 | dpkg | libfontconfig1: (generic font configuration library (shared library)), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 87 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 00:35.05 | thingfish | I learned all I know about linux in Women's Wear Daily. |
| 00:35.10 | WiFiTux | bob2, initrd? going into block devices make support for it and done or make-kpkg --initrd? |
| 00:35.21 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ah, very nice. well, even by getting an IP, you transfered data... |
| 00:35.22 | WiFiTux | bob2, I need a kernel with the compiled sources. |
| 00:35.23 | cafuego | That was after engineering a ppp options file from the windows utility save file |
| 00:35.24 | herbi | thingfish, that is somehow disturbing and arousing at the same time |
| 00:35.34 | thingfish | lol |
| 00:35.34 | dondelelcaro | hahahaha |
| 00:35.40 | bob2 | WiFiTux: ok. you seem to be buliding a kernel using the default config, right? |
| 00:35.48 | rovragge | dondelelcaro: how to force download? if it's already installed the newest version? |
| 00:36.50 | dondelelcaro | rovragge: what does dpkg -l libfontconfig1; say? have you run apt-get update; recently? |
| 00:36.50 | WiFiTux | bob2, even if I use the 2.6.7 .config sarge's and then compile the new source with that one, it won't work. |
| 00:36.50 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: cellular wireless coverage here is limited to the inner city, though... and there are enough non-protected WiFI APs to not need it ;-) |
| 00:36.50 | h|barbobot | does anyone know how to stop apt from trying to install a package that wont install? |
| 00:36.50 | h|barbobot | i.e. quake2-data |
| 00:36.50 | rovragge | dondelelcaro: 2.2.96-1 |
| 00:36.50 | guru | ok, i finally finished downloading the first dvd for sarge |
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| 00:36.52 | hmakholm | h|barbobot: apt-get remove quake2-data should do it |
| 00:36.52 | bob2 | WiFiTux: yes, I know. I'm trying to figure out why you're buliding the kernel at all...if you're copying the config sarge used, you already have an exact copy of that on your disk already, and it works |
| 00:36.54 | WiFiTux | bob2, it's crazy. |
| 00:36.55 | dondelelcaro | rovragge: uh, 2.2.96-1 isn't in Debian. What distribution is this? |
| 00:37.04 | h|barbobot | hmakholm, i tried that |
| 00:37.11 | guru | does anyone here know what kernel sarge uses? |
| 00:37.13 | rovragge | dondelelcaro: Ahh now I remember I handbuilt that. sudo apt-get install libfontconfig1=2.2.3-4 worked |
| 00:37.20 | hmakholm | h|barbobot: And it reacts how? |
| 00:37.24 | h|barbobot | and it still trys to get the files from planetmirror |
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| 00:37.37 | WiFiTux | bob2, but I need to get a compile source. so I do the ln -s to the linux folder in ln -s and so on... |
| 00:37.49 | bob2 | WiFiTux: but *why*? |
| 00:37.58 | bob2 | WiFiTux: you want to build some external module? |
| 00:38.03 | hmakholm | h|barbobot: "planetmirror"?? |
| 00:38.05 | bob2 | guru: 2.6.8, 2.4.27 |
| 00:38.05 | WiFiTux | bob2, cause things I install require a compile source. yes. |
| 00:38.15 | dondelelcaro | rovragge: ah, ok. You may want to consider in the future using epochs instead of just changing the revision number... |
| 00:38.22 | rovragge | dondelelcaro: how to do this? |
| 00:38.27 | bob2 | WiFiTux: so, use the default kernel and install kernel-headers-`uname -r` and you're all set, no recompile neccessary |
| 00:38.34 | WiFiTux | bob2, yes, and the nvidia drivers and the alsa and bla bla... but anyway, I need a custom kernel |
| 00:38.43 | dondelelcaro | rovragge: a version number like 99999:2.2.3-4 tells me that I've obviously custom compiled whatever it is that I'm isntalling. |
| 00:38.48 | justin | !+custom kernel |
| 00:38.49 | bob2 | WiFiTux: er, you're not making a custom kernel |
| 00:38.49 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD" |
| 00:38.53 | h|barbobot | hmakholm yeah every time i use apt it tries to get the quake files from planetmirror |
| 00:38.56 | bob2 | WiFiTux: you're making an exact copy of the Debian one |
| 00:39.01 | dondelelcaro | rovragge: /msg dpkg epoch |
| 00:39.12 | WiFiTux | bob2, OK, that might do it, but for my laptop I want a kernel, with only what I want. SO, they thing is why it doesn't work. |
| 00:39.16 | h|barbobot | i dont know ill try hacking away at it |
| 00:39.27 | bob2 | WiFiTux: er, why do you want a custom one on your laptop? |
| 00:39.30 | hmakholm | h|barbobot: What is "plenetmirror"? Do you have strange things in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 00:39.42 | bob2 | WiFiTux: I bet you the Debian one is more stripped down than one you can make |
| 00:39.42 | WiFiTux | bob2, yes, that is something I tried in case I was not adding something, but not even that works! |
| 00:39.54 | rovragge | sudo fc-cache -v |
| 00:39.54 | rovragge | Fontconfig error: line 24: not well-formed (invalid token) |
| 00:39.55 | bob2 | ? |
| 00:39.58 | bob2 | you've lost me now |
| 00:39.59 | WiFiTux | bob2, ipw2100 wifi card, and just cause! |
| 00:40.03 | bob2 | rovragge: your config is broken |
| 00:40.05 | rovragge | dondelelcaro: which library could still be wrong? |
| 00:40.13 | bob2 | WiFiTux: you don't need the source to build the ipw2100 module |
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| 00:40.30 | WiFiTux | bob2, well, not if you use the ipw2100-devel package which is old. |
| 00:40.39 | bob2 | ? |
| 00:40.45 | dondelelcaro | rovragge: the problem isn't with a library, it's with your config. |
| 00:40.53 | WiFiTux | bob2, anyway, to troubleshoot my problem. This is what I did. |
| 00:40.55 | rovragge | dondelelcaro: where to get fresh config file? |
| 00:41.01 | bob2 | WiFiTux: ok... |
| 00:41.07 | dondelelcaro | rovragge: there's something wrong with line 24, most likely of /etc/fonts/fonts.conf |
| 00:41.10 | bob2 | WiFiTux: your problem is that you're not actually trying to build a custom kernel |
| 00:41.20 | rovragge | dondelelcaro: line 24 looks fine, it's a comment |
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| 00:41.32 | bob2 | WiFiTux: you're trying to rebuild the sarge one, wrongly. --initrd might be enough, but better still would be not wasting your time on it at all. |
| 00:41.36 | rovragge | <!-- Font directory list configured on lör jan 8 02:28:12 CET 2005 --> |
| 00:41.43 | bob2 | or configuring it from scratch so you don't need initrd. |
| 00:41.44 | h|barbobot | hmakholm, here i have no idea why its trying to grab from planet mirrorhttp://hbarbobot.kicks-ass.net/apt.txt |
| 00:41.56 | WiFiTux | bob2, copy the /boot/config2.6.7 into /usr/src/2.6.7 and then I make-kpkg clean ; make-kpkg --revisionbla kernel_image and then I install that kernel-image, but tells me something about initrd! |
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| 00:42.10 | rovragge | !info fontconfig |
| 00:42.13 | bob2 | WiFiTux: yes, I know, as I said, you ARE NOT BUILDING A CUSTOM KERNEL |
| 00:42.14 | dpkg | fontconfig: (generic font configuration library), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 60 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
| 00:42.16 | WiFiTux | bob2, I tried once that --initrd |
| 00:42.19 | bob2 | WiFiTux: you're rebuliding the sarge kernel, wrongly |
| 00:42.29 | WiFiTux | bob2, I know! but it's not even booting!!! |
| 00:42.35 | WiFiTux | ah |
| 00:42.41 | bob2 | I know |
| 00:42.49 | bob2 | as I said, you're trying to nuild the sarge kernel |
| 00:42.53 | bob2 | which has EVERYTHING as modules |
| 00:42.56 | bob2 | including your IDE driver |
| 00:42.57 | dondelelcaro | rovragge: try strace'ing then... |
| 00:43.05 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Just install the kernel headers, compile your module against it (probably using module-assistant), and use it with the existing kernel-image |
| 00:43.08 | rovragge | dondelelcaro: forgot to downgrade 'fontconfig' also |
| 00:43.09 | bob2 | you have to use an initrd, or configure it so all that stuff is in the kernel |
| 00:43.16 | bob2 | PerfDave: he/she HAS to have a new kernel |
| 00:43.18 | bob2 | for some reason |
| 00:43.20 | WiFiTux | bob2, I tried that as troubleshooting, I did try making my own with the same result. |
| 00:43.28 | rovragge | dondelelcaro: shot myself in the foot with my own packages |
| 00:43.28 | meathead | if i tail /var/log/messages and plug in my digi-cam it says ... "kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using address 20" "usb.agent[26132]: libgphoto2: loaded successfully" but gthum nor gtkam will see it.. it worked fine in fedora not sure what im missig in debian to get it going |
| 00:43.31 | bob2 | WiFiTux: yes, you built your own wrongly, too |
| 00:43.38 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, sarge that way takes to long to boot. |
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| 00:43.47 | bob2 | install grepmap |
| 00:43.50 | WiFiTux | bob2, but with Woody, I do it fine! |
| 00:43.55 | bob2 | WiFiTux: bah |
| 00:44.00 | WiFiTux | I swear! |
| 00:44.01 | bob2 | YOU are not building a kernel |
| 00:44.10 | bob2 | YOU are copying the default config and then trying to compile it |
| 00:44.12 | bob2 | this will nto work |
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| 00:44.16 | WiFiTux | Yes, I'm. |
| 00:44.16 | hmakholm | h|barbobot: Ah, so the quake2-data package itself wants to download some nonfree stuff from somewhere and doesn't find it. |
| 00:44.20 | bob2 | if you configure the kernel properly, it will work fine |
| 00:44.25 | h|barbobot | hmakholm, yes |
| 00:44.27 | bob2 | if you build it properly with the sarge config, it will work fine |
| 00:44.27 | kensai | anyone here using apt-build as the main package manager? I have some questions. |
| 00:44.31 | komseh-laptop | how can i figure out what driver my network card is using? |
| 00:44.31 | WiFiTux | bob2, no! that was only once to try it. |
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| 00:44.34 | elnovato | an interface for bittoreent? |
| 00:44.38 | hmakholm | h|barbobot: It seems that your 'apt-get remove quake2-data' worked fine, though. |
| 00:44.39 | bob2 | oh man |
| 00:44.50 | PerfDave | elnovato: apt-cache find bittorrent |
| 00:44.54 | h|barbobot | hmm hmakholm ill try again |
| 00:44.57 | sgeigerbot22 | !+bittorrent |
| 00:44.57 | dpkg | [bittorrent] a tool for distributing files. It's extremely easy to use - downloads are started by clicking on hyperlinks. Whenever more than one person is downloading at once they send pieces of the file(s) to each other, thus relieving the central server's bandwidth burden. Even with many simultaneous downloads, the upload burden on the central server remains quite small, since each new downloader introduces new upload capacity. |
| 00:45.02 | WiFiTux | bob2, okok! I'll do as you say. what do I do? |
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| 00:45.21 | elnovato | i cant typwe well daa whiosky |
| 00:45.31 | WiFiTux | make my config and then make-kpkg --initrd --revisionbla kernel_image? |
| 00:46.01 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, PEBCAK? |
| 00:46.07 | h|barbobot | hmakholm, okay now it worked |
| 00:46.14 | hmakholm | !tell WiFiTux about pebcak |
| 00:46.17 | h|barbobot | hmakholm, i have no idea what the hell i was doing |
| 00:46.18 | elnovato | my handss smeell bbloid |
| 00:46.23 | h|barbobot | hmakholm, thanks |
| 00:46.28 | gravity | heh... barbobot |
| 00:46.33 | gravity | I love that episode |
| 00:46.35 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, hmakholm ha h a! |
| 00:46.42 | komseh-laptop | how can i figure out what driver module my network card is using? |
| 00:46.58 | Lego` | brb |
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| 00:47.45 | Anthro | komseh-laptop: Your network card works, but you don't know why? |
| 00:48.01 | WiFiTux | komseh-laptop, lspci and lsmod should tell you. |
| 00:48.16 | komseh-laptop | Anthro: no lol, ive got a remote server and the company fails to provide me w/ hardware specs so i can recompile |
| 00:48.36 | elnovato | ivve killled someondes |
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| 00:49.36 | jonesy | !tell lego` about brb |
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| 00:49.41 | Anthro | komseh-laptop: Well, lspci should tell you what the network card is. |
| 00:49.48 | komseh-laptop | yeah i found it, ty |
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| 00:55.11 | pwn4ge | anyone here use lirc? |
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| 00:56.00 | pwn4ge | I've been using it months without trouble, but recently it stopped working |
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| 00:58.19 | jbr | pwn4ge: the bts says lirc has a recent grave bug |
| 00:59.10 | pwn4ge | damn, that must be it, cause i recently did "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 00:59.22 | pwn4ge | guess i'll downgrade it |
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| 00:59.40 | CloD | hi folks |
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| 00:59.46 | Xenguy | pwn4ge: apt-get install apt-listbugs (I'm really liking it as of recently) |
| 00:59.47 | pwn4ge | thanks jbr |
| 01:00.09 | pwn4ge | ok, i will try that Xenguy, thank you |
| 01:00.32 | Xenguy | pwn4ge: that's "prevention" for next time ;-) |
| 01:00.39 | pwn4ge | heh |
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| 01:01.31 | pwn4ge | now i have another good reason for using debian over gentoo, next time i get into an argument with my friend |
| 01:02.18 | CloD | small question about apt-get: when a dist-upgrade wants to remove packets after an update, is it possible to track down why? say, I did not tell apt I wanted to remove gtk for instance... |
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| 01:02.46 | hmakholm | CloD: The easiest tracking method is probably to use aptitude |
| 01:02.56 | CloD | i try |
| 01:03.19 | komseh-laptop | are there any special kernel options should i need to select for an intel e7501 chipset? |
| 01:03.40 | pwn4ge | CloD: you could also do 'apt-get upgrade' instead, that will keep packages from being removed |
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| 01:03.55 | NewpZ | hi people |
| 01:04.00 | Lego` | G'day |
| 01:04.07 | NewpZ | i have a couple quick questions :) |
| 01:04.17 | CloD | thanks hmakholm |
| 01:04.20 | Lego` | Shoot |
| 01:04.30 | PerfDave | CloD: Probably because something you're trying to upgrade conflicts with something else. |
| 01:04.44 | Lego` | NewpZ: You know I'm only going to say rtfm :P |
| 01:04.51 | NewpZ | hehe im sure |
| 01:04.56 | NewpZ | ok here goes.. |
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| 01:05.37 | NewpZ | i use gksu (gnome terminal) when i" su -" and try to run an X app, it will not conntect to the display.. how to i fixy withhout doing an' xhost +'? |
| 01:05.46 | CloD | perfdave: i'm not trying to upgrade, just performing the routinial update, and you're right, there is probably a conflict, that's what I wanna know |
| 01:06.24 | NewpZ | err Konsole |
| 01:06.25 | NewpZ | heh |
| 01:06.34 | BigE | Have a friend who's trying to install Debian Sarge, gets this error "Dbootstrap error. Couldn't download base-config" What can cause that? |
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| 01:07.02 | joerg | BigE: perhaps cd damaged |
| 01:07.08 | loke_ | how do i change a .deb file back to source? |
| 01:07.13 | Lego` | NewpZ: I'm out, sorry :) |
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| 01:07.20 | NewpZ | heh oookay.. heres another :) |
| 01:07.31 | CosmoDad | NewpZ: export an XAUTH variable containing the .Xauthority file of the user you're su'ing form |
| 01:07.41 | BigE | joerg: Somehow I was afraid you were going to say that. He downloaded the DVD image too ;p |
| 01:07.42 | hmakholm | loke_: You don't. But look at 'apt-get source foo' |
| 01:07.49 | loke_ | hmakholm ok |
| 01:08.06 | BigE | I would suppose the net install would go a little better? |
| 01:08.12 | loke_ | hmakholm i need source for unzip |
| 01:08.20 | joerg | BigE: the installer extracts a few .udeb-packages to the ram disk at boot up |
| 01:08.29 | NewpZ | my digital cam using gphoto2, if im root, i can use gphoto2 and gthumb blah blah blah .. if im a norm user i cant even detect the camera.. im assuming there is some usb permission that i need to change? |
| 01:08.32 | CosmoDad | NewpZ: and maybe provide the display variable as in `DISPLAY=":0.0" foo' |
| 01:08.36 | NewpZ | also same for my usb printer |
| 01:08.42 | hmakholm | loke_: apt-get source unzip should get it to you. |
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| 01:08.49 | NewpZ | CosmoDad, cool ill try that |
| 01:09.01 | BigE | joerg: Well... it boots fine, he's able to partition his disks, just dies when it goes to install the base system I guess. |
| 01:09.05 | ferret | !sux |
| 01:09.05 | dpkg | hmm... sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 01:09.15 | loke_ | hmakholm what dir ? |
| 01:09.42 | joerg | BigE: yes, I was wrong. base-config isn't an .udeb-package but a normal .deb belonging to the base-system |
| 01:09.43 | hmakholm | loke_: It will be downloaded and unpackaged in whatever dir you execute the apt-get command from. |
| 01:09.46 | CosmoDad | ferret: nice didn't know that one |
| 01:10.01 | BigE | joerg: Okay, so that means net install should be okay? |
| 01:10.02 | joerg | BigE: It's executed after you reboot your system when you first install it |
| 01:10.23 | CosmoDad | btw is there any list of all topics the dpkg-bot knows about? |
| 01:10.29 | joerg | BigE: I assume the packages are on the cd/dvd? |
| 01:10.34 | NewpZ | niccccccccccccccce |
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| 01:10.38 | NewpZ | sux rules! |
| 01:10.39 | BigE | joerg: Yeah, I guess, heh. |
| 01:10.39 | joerg | BigE: you could try netinstall :) |
| 01:10.40 | loke_ | hmakholm thanks |
| 01:10.44 | NewpZ | thanks :) |
| 01:10.44 | ferret | CosmoDad: Don't think so. |
| 01:10.50 | BigE | joerg: Okay, thanks. I'll have him try it. :) |
| 01:10.57 | CosmoDad | ferret: too bad. It's a great resource |
| 01:11.22 | joerg | BigE: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 01:11.27 | ferret | CosmoDad: Although there's this big database that contains that sort of information, I think it's called '#debian users' or something? |
| 01:11.34 | joerg | BigE: this is a good point to start |
| 01:11.41 | BigE | joerg: Thanks, I'll take a look. |
| 01:11.49 | ferret | Bah, I suck at sarcasm |
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| 01:11.56 | CosmoDad | ferret: is that a web site or something different? |
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| 01:12.46 | CosmoDad | ferret: I see :) |
| 01:13.07 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:13.22 | ferret | o.o |
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| 01:13.24 | abrotman | dpkg: ? |
| 01:13.27 | abrotman | !! |
| 01:13.39 | ferret | It's apt that has the super cow powers, remember. |
| 01:13.45 | abrotman | ~moo |
| 01:13.47 | apt | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 01:13.47 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 01:13.50 | dpkg | abrotman: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 01:13.52 | ferret | dpkg is just a pretender. |
| 01:13.53 | abrotman | jeez |
| 01:13.55 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:13.57 | dpkg | ferret: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 01:14.31 | thomas_adam | Lag. |
| 01:14.35 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 01:15.18 | phogg | aptitude moo works too! |
| 01:15.24 | cafuego | @moo |
| 01:15.25 | ravenbird | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
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| 01:16.18 | humbolt | I have this statement in my shellscript but somehow I get the wrong result: LOGNAME=`echo $ENTRY | cut -d'#' -f 1` |
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| 01:16.49 | kbrooks_ | question: i want to remake the package list |
| 01:16.49 | cafuego | phogg: As does apt-rpm moo |
| 01:16.54 | humbolt | $LOGNAME shows "root" whatever string is in $ENTRY |
| 01:17.04 | thomas_adam | humbolt: What were you expecting? And what does $ENTRY show? |
| 01:17.13 | LanKuchan | dpkg mad-cow |
| 01:17.14 | dpkg | LanKuchan: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:17.18 | kbrooks_ | the package database |
| 01:17.20 | cafuego | humbolt: 'man bash' See LOGNAME. it's reserved. |
| 01:17.23 | kbrooks_ | and remake it |
| 01:17.48 | kbrooks_ | hello? |
| 01:18.01 | cafuego | kbrooks_: apt-get update |
| 01:18.13 | bucky | cafuego, is that your website http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ |
| 01:18.15 | komseh-laptop | are there any special kernel options should i need to select for an intel e7501 chipset? |
| 01:18.28 | cafuego | bucky: No, I own real domains. |
| 01:18.31 | kbrooks_ | no. i want to remake the package database COMPLETELY from stratch |
| 01:18.35 | ferret | try ${ENTRY} |
| 01:18.44 | humbolt | cafuego: stupid me |
| 01:18.47 | cafuego | ferret: No, LOGNAMe is *still* reserved. |
| 01:18.53 | cafuego | kbrooks_: apt-get update. |
| 01:18.57 | ferret | Hrm? Oh. |
| 01:19.00 | bucky | hehe |
| 01:19.00 | NewpZ | i have a usb printer... when i try to print out of firefox it uses lpr but will not pirnt "Printer1 : unknown printer" |
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| 01:19.08 | NewpZ | where does lpr look to get the name? |
| 01:19.13 | kbrooks_ | cafuego: that will work? |
| 01:19.16 | cafuego | NewpZ: /etc/printcap |
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| 01:19.28 | LanKuchan | dpkg bye darling ;) |
| 01:19.29 | cafuego | kbrooks_: No, I'm just making stuff up to annoy you. |
| 01:19.29 | dpkg | Cya, darling ;) |
| 01:19.32 | phogg | cafuego: but can you even get apt-rpm in Debian? |
| 01:19.37 | NewpZ | ahh not in there |
| 01:19.42 | cafuego | phogg: I wouldn't recommend it. |
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| 01:19.44 | NewpZ | i installed the printer using cups |
| 01:19.54 | cafuego | phogg: I did check its source though, to make sure. |
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| 01:19.57 | thomas_adam | NewpZ: You might also consider killing Xprint, too. |
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| 01:20.02 | kbrooks_ | cafuego: don't. give me the command |
| 01:20.21 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.44 | kbrooks_ | sucks to be me |
| 01:20.57 | phogg | cafuego: so is it the same as apt-get, or something different? |
| 01:20.58 | thomas_adam | kbrooks_: What are you trying to do? |
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| 01:21.14 | NewpZ | hrm.. what does gedit use? |
| 01:21.19 | NewpZ | cause i can print from there |
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| 01:21.25 | thomas_adam | NewpZ: apt-cache showpkg gedit |
| 01:21.34 | neurocratia | how do I remove a kernel module that still loads each time I reboot. I've tried modconf and manually /etc/modules, but it doesn't seems to work. |
| 01:21.41 | kbrooks_ | i am trying to clear the package cache and start with a new one. |
| 01:21.48 | NewpZ | libgnomeprint2.2-0 |
| 01:21.48 | thomas_adam | NewpZ: Which module? |
| 01:22.02 | thomas_adam | kbrooks_: apt-get clean |
| 01:22.06 | cafuego | neurocratia: Add it to the blacklist in /etc/hotplug/* |
| 01:22.27 | cafuego | kbrooks_: No, you asked how to get a clean package *list* |
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| 01:22.38 | neurocratia | cafuego: tanks I'll try doing that. |
| 01:23.05 | NewpZ | i wonder why firefox is using lpr |
| 01:23.05 | NewpZ | and not something that works hehe |
| 01:23.05 | thomas_adam | NewpZ: Because you haven't setup cups? |
| 01:23.05 | cafuego | NewpZ: Coz it's nice and compatible with *everything* |
| 01:23.05 | ubunturero | any idea about a new fixed debian kernel ? |
| 01:23.08 | cafuego | NewpZ: lpr would with cups/lpr/lprng |
| 01:23.12 | thomas_adam | ubunturero: Hmm? |
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| 01:23.19 | NewpZ | cup IS setup |
| 01:23.31 | NewpZ | i installed the printer using cups and new drivers from hp |
| 01:23.36 | pwn4ge | jbr: i downgraded to lirc-0.6.6 but it still isnt working :( |
| 01:23.36 | cafuego | NewpZ: cupsys-bsd is not, then. |
| 01:23.45 | ubunturero | thomas_adam, I mean for the last found bug |
| 01:23.54 | NewpZ | uhhh |
| 01:23.54 | mcornils | ubunturero: security bug? |
| 01:23.55 | thomas_adam | ubunturero: Which bug? |
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| 01:24.02 | joris_ | does anyone know where i-12-1.wil-core02.net.reach.com is located? it's between sidney and dallas somewhere |
| 01:24.12 | joris_ | 'wil' should be a location |
| 01:24.20 | NewpZ | cupsys-bsd .. i dont have that installed |
| 01:24.24 | ubunturero | thomas_adam, mcornils, the security bug |
| 01:24.27 | NewpZ | should i install it? |
| 01:24.38 | thomas_adam | NewpZ: For compatability, aye. |
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| 01:25.03 | cafuego | NewpZ: See the previous note regarding cups being set up properly. |
| 01:25.16 | thomas_adam | NewpZ: Although it is not a requirement. |
| 01:25.17 | NewpZ | hahha true true |
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| 01:25.34 | thomas_adam | NewpZ: So I ask again... Cups.. is it setup properly? Answer: no. :P |
| 01:25.42 | NewpZ | hehe |
| 01:25.50 | NewpZ | i love this chan :) |
| 01:26.08 | NewpZ | i wish i would have tossed fedora long ago |
| 01:26.24 | mcornils | ubunturero: look at http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/01/msg00201.html, maybe it is already in? |
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| 01:27.59 | daft | how can I detect what Hardware Sensors Chip i have in my motherboard |
| 01:28.15 | ubunturero | mcornils, thanks but I mean for 2.4 woody kernel |
| 01:28.40 | NewpZ | so i need to start cups-bsd? |
| 01:28.43 | bbrazil | daft: sensors-detect |
| 01:28.54 | NewpZ | or just installing it and configuring it good enough? |
| 01:29.05 | mcornils | ubunturero: ok. not sure there |
| 01:29.07 | abrotman | ubunturero: doesn't exist yet |
| 01:29.21 | abrotman | ubunturero: subscribe to the security list .. you'll know when it comes |
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| 01:29.41 | chip__ | how would i mount a dvd through nautalius? |
| 01:30.13 | thomas_adam | chip__: Click on the dvd icon. |
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| 01:30.42 | NewpZ | heh look at that my printer works with firefox |
| 01:30.46 | NewpZ | ide be damned |
| 01:30.47 | NewpZ | heh |
| 01:30.48 | chip__ | Couldn't display "/dev/dvd". |
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| 01:31.38 | WiFiTux | chip__, ln -s /cdrom /dev/dvd |
| 01:31.46 | NewpZ | wow! and look i searched google |
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| 01:31.55 | NewpZ | for my non root with gphoto2 problem |
| 01:31.59 | NewpZ | and the first link |
| 01:32.11 | NewpZ | "Debian for information on how to use gphoto2 as a non-root user...." |
| 01:32.16 | NewpZ | hehehe |
| 01:32.23 | thomas_adam | !tell NewpZ -about enter |
| 01:32.23 | NewpZ | tonight must be my lucky night! |
| 01:32.35 | WiFiTux | chip__, take the dvd out and back in after the command. |
| 01:32.41 | thomas_adam | NewpZ: You are lucky I interjected you. |
| 01:32.57 | d0t | Hello everyone |
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| 01:33.10 | mcornils | WiFiTux: shouldnt that be ln -s /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd ? |
| 01:33.15 | chip__ | wifitux, it says link is broken? |
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| 01:33.21 | thomas_adam | WiFiTux: No. |
| 01:33.23 | WiFiTux | mcornils, same thing. |
| 01:33.35 | WiFiTux | thomas_adam, what> |
| 01:33.35 | NewpZ | yeah i have a bad habit of that. I will not do that anymore. thomas_adam: thanks. i appreciate your help. |
| 01:33.41 | WiFiTux | mcornils, no idea. |
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| 01:33.56 | WiFiTux | chip__, then /dev/cdrom |
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| 01:34.13 | thomas_adam | chip__: "dmesg|less" -- search for your dvd drive location (/dev/foo) and then add an entry for it in /etc/fstab, symlinking /dev/foo to /dev/dvd, as apropos. |
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| 01:34.26 | thomas_adam | WiFiTux: ln -s /cdrom /dev/dvd is nonsense. |
| 01:34.38 | WiFiTux | thomas_adam, why? it works. |
| 01:34.43 | ferret | hehe |
| 01:34.55 | hlp_me | hrm.. can some one help me out, with my HDD, for whatever reason it displays free space on hdd incorrectly. |
| 01:35.00 | abrotman | !bark |
| 01:35.04 | hlp_me | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:35.12 | mcornils | WiFiTux: it shouldn't. /cdrom is not any device, but a directory (the mountpoint) |
| 01:35.15 | thomas_adam | WiFiTux: And linking it to /dev/cdrom is stupid, since it: a) assumes the cdrom drive is the same as the DVD drive, and b) you'll end up with dangling symlinks if you're not careful. |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | !mow |
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| 01:35.37 | bob2 | hlp_me: what's wrong with that? |
| 01:36.02 | hlp_me | bob2 do some match 18G - 16 G != 620M |
| 01:36.06 | WiFiTux | thomas_adam, ok, so what is normally the location or device then? |
| 01:36.10 | chip__ | it doesn't work either, thomas_adam: i couldn't find it |
| 01:36.11 | abrotman | cluster size? |
| 01:36.14 | bob2 | hlp_me: 5% is reserved for root |
| 01:36.27 | hlp_me | bob2, it was displaying differently before |
| 01:36.36 | hlp_me | bob2, and by root you mean? / or /root? |
| 01:36.42 | abrotman | uid 0 |
| 01:36.43 | bob2 | hlp_me: the user 'root' |
| 01:37.08 | thomas_adam | WiFiTux: "/dev/dvd" is a symlink one can setup to point to their dvd device node under /dev/ - depending on which channel it is on. |
| 01:37.12 | mcornils | chip__: try dmesg | grep hdc. is /dev/hdc your dvd-drive? |
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| 01:37.15 | WiFiTux | bob2, :) make-kpkg --initrd --revisionbla kernel_image ? |
| 01:37.28 | bob2 | WiFiTux: if your config is working |
| 01:37.36 | bob2 | WiFiTux: but really, you don't need to be building a kernel at all |
| 01:37.38 | chip__ | hdc: PHILIPS DVD+RW-D01, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 01:37.38 | chip__ | hdc: ATAPI 32X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33) |
| 01:37.40 | WiFiTux | bob2, ok, well I guess. |
| 01:37.53 | hlp_me | hlp_me, mmm... well it used to show more free space then that, imho... i'm not sure |
| 01:37.57 | d0t | Are there any Debian distibutions specifically compiled for 686 (preferably P4)? |
| 01:37.58 | thomas_adam | chip__: ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd |
| 01:37.59 | mcornils | chip__: ok then do ln -sf /dev/hdc /dev/dvd |
| 01:38.01 | d0t | And will there be a considerable speed increase, from the standard Debian 386 version? |
| 01:38.08 | dondelelcaro | d0t: no, and no. |
| 01:38.13 | bob2 | d0t: no and no |
| 01:38.15 | chip__ | -s or -sf |
| 01:38.16 | hlp_me | ups |
| 01:38.18 | WiFiTux | bob2, I want to. Sarge has too many crap in the boot up sequence, or I don't know. Might be something that is killing me of not being able to et it working. |
| 01:38.19 | d0t | thanks :D |
| 01:38.20 | hlp_me | tlakking to my self now.. lol |
| 01:38.26 | bob2 | d0t: most of the bits in debian that matter are already compiled for i686 |
| 01:38.31 | mcornils | chip__: -sf is safer :)) |
| 01:38.40 | bob2 | WiFiTux: just configure it from scratch then |
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| 01:38.50 | bob2 | WiFiTux: what you're compiling now is IDENTICAL to the sarge one |
| 01:38.52 | d0t | excellent, I didnt really think there would be, just read some contraversy on the web though ;-) |
| 01:39.06 | hlp_me | bob2, mmm... well it used to show more free space then that, imho... i'm not sure. Any pointeres hwere i can find that in manual? |
| 01:39.10 | WiFiTux | bob2, again, using that .config was only once, |
| 01:39.15 | chip__ | still getting Couldn't display "/dev/dvd". |
| 01:39.18 | dondelelcaro | d0t: hrm... which controversy is this? |
| 01:39.24 | bob2 | hlp_me: what do you want to find? |
| 01:39.28 | Charbal | dondelelcaro: Gentoo, mainly :P |
| 01:39.33 | d0t | hmmmm, let me see if I can dig it up... |
| 01:39.35 | mcornils | ok. check /etc/fstab for a /dev/hdc line |
| 01:39.41 | WiFiTux | bob2, now, last one. Do I need the initrd selected in the block devices? |
| 01:39.52 | hlp_me | bob2, about the %5 reserved space |
| 01:39.57 | Azar | hi dondelecaro, happy new year to you and everyone |
| 01:40.02 | chip__ | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 01:40.03 | WiFiTux | chip__, this is in xine? |
| 01:40.06 | jbr | hlp_me: man tune2fs? |
| 01:40.11 | d0t | I want to say CCLinux, but that doesnt sound right... It was basically a distro claiming their 686 compiled version was considerably faster. |
| 01:40.12 | d0t | :/ |
| 01:40.13 | bob2 | hlp_me: it's a filesystem thing...if you're using ext3 or ext2, you disable it (or shrink it) with tune2fs. |
| 01:40.14 | chip__ | forgot about that part, sry mcornils |
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| 01:40.18 | d0t | give me a minute.... |
| 01:40.21 | chip__ | but what shouuld that be? |
| 01:40.22 | bob2 | WiFiTux: I don't know what you mean |
| 01:40.23 | abrotman | in the cdrom group? |
| 01:40.36 | hlp_me | bob2, but any reference where i can find that information? i use ext3 |
| 01:40.40 | chip__ | WiFiTux: dont think its xine, not sure what that is |
| 01:40.45 | WiFiTux | bob2, no problem. I'll see. |
| 01:40.50 | dondelelcaro | d0t: oh, distros will claim that sort of stuff all the time... It's just often not terribly true, since optimizing for an architecture is very much a non-trivial problem. |
| 01:40.56 | bob2 | WiFiTux: if yo make your block device modular, you have to use an initrd |
| 01:40.57 | WiFiTux | chip__, the software to play dvd's? |
| 01:41.04 | Charbal | Certainly possible to build your own Debian packages with apt-get or apt-build, though. Haven't really looked into setting compile flags for those, but I'm sure someone has. |
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| 01:41.15 | mcornils | chip__: check if /media/cdrom is a symlink to /media/cdrom0 |
| 01:41.18 | WiFiTux | bob2, is there a way to make it like woody? |
| 01:41.41 | WiFiTux | chip__, put the dvd out and back in. |
| 01:41.47 | mcornils | chip__: check whether mount /media/cdrom works on the command line |
| 01:41.52 | chip__ | mcornils: yes, but media/cdrom0 doesn't exist |
| 01:41.53 | Azar | totem for video? |
| 01:42.01 | d0t | good to know, I REALLY didnt want to break away from the true Debian distribution.... |
| 01:42.11 | mcornils | chip__: ah. mkdir that one |
| 01:42.13 | WiFiTux | Azar, of course/ |
| 01:42.20 | Azar | Sarge coming around the corner |
| 01:42.21 | chip__ | mount: can't find /media/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 01:42.24 | d0t | Does it make ANY sense to recompile certain apps that are processor intensive, from source, to optimize for P4?? |
| 01:42.28 | d0t | or should I just apt-get whatever I can? |
| 01:42.32 | mcornils | chip__: there was a change in discover which could result in that |
| 01:42.38 | mcornils | chip__: (IIRC) |
| 01:42.48 | mcornils | chip__: does mount still say that after the mkdir? |
| 01:42.49 | dondelelcaro | d0t: generally not... but if it's something that you're running alot, you can always compile it yourself, and run benchmarks to find out. |
| 01:42.55 | d0t | trying to tweak everything possible for optimum speeds. ;D |
| 01:42.56 | chip__ | nope :) |
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| 01:43.17 | mcornils | ok, test whether it works with the gnome file manager (nautilus IIRC) |
| 01:43.22 | d0t | ahhhh, brings me to another question - what is the best way to benchmark speeds on Debian?! |
| 01:43.31 | dondelelcaro | d0t: you'll usually find that you waste more time compiling and recompiling to test your benchmarks than you will save in your "speed increase" |
| 01:43.33 | Azar | I just read the interview with Martin Michlmayr at NewsForge |
| 01:43.40 | CloD | are apt-get commands loggued somewhere ? |
| 01:43.40 | d0t | trying to find it last night, with no luck.. |
| 01:43.46 | dondelelcaro | d0t: that totally depends what you're doing, and what you're trying to bench mark. |
| 01:43.56 | dondelelcaro | CloD: no, they're not. |
| 01:43.59 | chip__ | works like a charm, thanks mcornils thomas, :) and i guess wifitux |
| 01:44.01 | d0t | hmmm, lets say 3d performance.... |
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| 01:44.07 | d0t | I have glxgears running 12000fps! |
| 01:44.07 | mcornils | chip__: np |
| 01:44.11 | d0t | and want more LOL |
| 01:44.11 | d0t | :D |
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| 01:44.26 | chip__ | 12000....? |
| 01:44.29 | chip__ | good lord |
| 01:44.29 | d0t | YUP!! |
| 01:44.31 | d0t | hehhe |
| 01:44.53 | chip__ | any need for that? |
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| 01:45.02 | d0t | Running an nvidia 6800GT 256Mb OC'd, GDDR3, operates at 1Ghz :D |
| 01:45.04 | chip__ | i happy with 60 with anything |
| 01:45.05 | d0t | ITS SICK!!! |
| 01:45.20 | d0t | Well, im messing with Blender alot, and do some hardcore gaming, |
| 01:45.22 | CloD | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks. maybe they should, no ? |
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| 01:45.35 | bob2 | WiFiTux: there is no difference between woody and sarge in this regard |
| 01:45.36 | kbrooks_ | i need to remove and reinstall a metapackage |
| 01:45.41 | d0t | so im trying to tweak as much as humanly possible... |
| 01:45.52 | dondelelcaro | CloD: no, that's what the frontends are for. If you use aptitude, there are logs of that stuff. |
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| 01:46.06 | bob2 | glxgears is not a useful benchmark |
| 01:46.12 | bob2 | for anything |
| 01:46.14 | Azar | the latest news about Sarge here: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/23/2023223&from=rss |
| 01:46.18 | WiFiTux | chip__, :| |
| 01:46.22 | bob2 | no, it's really not |
| 01:46.26 | tam | hi guys, i do an apt-get update && apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 and it gives me kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 even though i have 2.6.9 installed from apt-get...anyone have any clues to what could be going on? |
| 01:46.29 | d0t | its at least helpful for OpenGL performance specifically though, right? |
| 01:46.33 | bob2 | the latest news about sarge is on the debian-release list |
| 01:46.35 | bob2 | d0t: no |
| 01:46.37 | dondelelcaro | d0t: uh, your gaming isn't going to help you much, since those are often built statically... |
| 01:46.40 | d0t | ahh, i see |
| 01:46.43 | d0t | what would you suggest? |
| 01:46.45 | WiFiTux | bob2, this really sucks. I can do everything with woody, but can't with the D-I. :( |
| 01:46.46 | CloD | dondelelcaro: seems fine. i'm just gonna clear dpkg selections then to start again cleanly - is it safe ? |
| 01:46.49 | bob2 | d0t: the onl think it benchmarks is how fast your card can render 3 gears |
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| 01:46.55 | bob2 | WiFiTux: there is NO DIFFERENCE |
| 01:47.01 | NewpZ | i have to add a user to the "camera" group to make this work.. how do u add a user to multiple groups? |
| 01:47.02 | bob2 | WiFiTux: use the same fucking kernel config on sarge |
| 01:47.10 | bob2 | NewpZ: sudo adduser foo camera |
| 01:47.15 | dondelelcaro | CloD: there's no reason to clear the selections. What is the actual problem? |
| 01:47.23 | Azar | tam why would you want to upgrade the kernel if you have the last stable? |
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| 01:47.45 | tam | Azar: i didn't know if 2.6.10 is released yet |
| 01:47.50 | WiFiTux | bob2, you don't have to freak out. I'm the one with the problem. And the same .config of anything won't work. Thanks for the time. |
| 01:47.53 | Azar | 2.6.10 is released |
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| 01:47.58 | CloD | dondelelcaro: dist-upgrade willing to remove gtk and stuff, plenty of packets marked purge, donno why |
| 01:48.10 | bob2 | WiFiTux: there is no difference at all |
| 01:48.12 | Azar | but not yet for Debian I'd guess, unless you run the unstable |
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| 01:48.42 | dondelelcaro | CloD: dist-upgrade will often do that. Use aptitiude or similar to manage the upgrade, or wait. |
| 01:48.47 | tam | not in ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ it's not |
| 01:48.50 | WiFiTux | bob2, OK. I will, once again, create my OWN kernel and create it as I just told you. any tip? load everything I need inherited? |
| 01:48.56 | tam | Azar: ^^ |
| 01:49.12 | kbrooks_ | i need to remove and reinstall a metapackage, however i want to remove all the packages marked as a 'Depends:' recursively |
| 01:49.16 | Azar | tam I just upgraded to 2.6.10 2 days ago but NOT from debian |
| 01:49.26 | caphuso | kbrooks_: why would you want to do that? |
| 01:49.33 | dondelelcaro | CloD: as far as the purged packages go, you can also keep them using aptitude if you wish, or purge them. |
| 01:49.34 | tam | Azar: i was meaning from debian hence why i put apt in it |
| 01:49.44 | kbrooks_ | because i configured a package wrong |
| 01:49.46 | bob2 | WiFiTux: if you insist on buliding your own kernel, compile your ide/scsi controller driver and root filesystem driver INTO the kernel |
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| 01:49.53 | caphuso | kbrooks_: so reconfigure it |
| 01:49.58 | Azar | tam I guess you ment to do a regular update/upgrade but NOT for the kernel |
| 01:50.00 | daft | kbrooks_: dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 01:50.02 | spsoup | Is the .config file for the stock 2.4 kernel in 'testing' available? - (backstory: I installed Debian Sarge (testing) today, and I want to compile a kernel so that I can enable SMP and HIGHMEM. I don't want to make any other changes from the stock debian kernel, though.) |
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| 01:50.05 | spiekey | hih |
| 01:50.09 | spiekey | hiho ;) |
| 01:50.11 | kbrooks_ | caphuso: yes, but that has no effect. |
| 01:50.12 | dondelelcaro | kbrooks_: uh, you almost certainly don't want to do that. |
| 01:50.14 | Azar | tam apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade |
| 01:50.17 | tam | Azar: nope, i meant to do an upgrade... |
| 01:50.21 | bob2 | spsoup: in /boot/ |
| 01:50.23 | dondelelcaro | kbrooks_: since that will mean removing libc6 amoungst other things. |
| 01:50.25 | WiFiTux | bob2, which that is into SCSI SATA Intel SATA, and then root FS will be ext3 JFS and that's it? |
| 01:50.36 | Azar | tam holdon |
| 01:50.37 | WiFiTux | I load everything inherited anyway. |
| 01:50.38 | tam | Azar: i need the new kernel...to see if it really is memory problems i have |
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| 01:50.41 | tam | Azar: OK |
| 01:50.45 | spiekey | i have this lsmod: http://pastebin.com/227065 |
| 01:50.50 | bob2 | WiFiTux: 'inherited'? |
| 01:50.51 | spsoup | bob2: sweet... that's what I was looking for. Thanks! |
| 01:50.54 | jbr | tam: http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.10/kernel-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-3_all.deb |
| 01:50.57 | spiekey | but iptables are loaded and stuff, how come its no used??? |
| 01:51.10 | tam | jbr: that's fscking strange...why can't i find it? |
| 01:51.12 | abrotman | spsoup: you don't have to compile to get that |
| 01:51.18 | spsoup | no? |
| 01:51.20 | abrotman | spsoup: debian provides kernels for you |
| 01:51.23 | WiFiTux | bob2, inherited - built in - that's how it's called when it's a * and not a M in the make menuconfig. |
| 01:51.26 | abrotman | spsoup: apt-cache search kernel-image smp |
| 01:51.49 | bob2 | WiFiTux: not in english... |
| 01:51.55 | kbrooks_ | dondelelcaro: well..........ok, i'll find out. brb |
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| 01:52.16 | abrotman | spsoup: see one for you |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:52.17 | CloD | dondelelcaro: what i mean is that i do not want those purges, and do not want to have to hold packets manually to keep upgrading regularly |
| 01:52.35 | d0t | I have installed kernel-image-2.6.9-2-686-smp, installed irqbalancer, and enabled HyperThreading in the BIOS. Is there anything else needed to get HT working with Linux?? |
| 01:52.42 | d0t | Any easy way to tell if it is infact working? |
| 01:52.42 | Azar | tam |
| 01:52.49 | bob2 | d0t: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:52.56 | d0t | thanks again bob |
| 01:53.07 | Azar | tam: http://kernel.org/ |
| 01:53.16 | tam | Azar: thanks! |
| 01:53.19 | Azar | ah ok jbr |
| 01:53.35 | spsoup | abrotman, kernel-image-2.4-686-smp looks good, but I still need HIGHMEM and HIGHMEM64 enabled. |
| 01:53.43 | tam | Azar: it still doesn't solve my problem to why apt wants to upgrade my kernel to an older version |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | spsoup: how much ram do you have? |
| 01:53.50 | spsoup | 1.5GB |
| 01:53.58 | Azar | because you do not do it with apt |
| 01:54.05 | abrotman | spsoup: it will work fine .. HIGHMEM goes to 4GB |
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| 01:54.13 | tam | Azar: i've never installed a kernel any other way on debian |
| 01:54.18 | Azar | where you see 2.6.10 click on F |
| 01:54.21 | Azar | to get the full |
| 01:54.27 | mcornils | WiFiTux: I got confused by the inherited word too, should really be built-in. don't forget to make the console and display drivers built-in, too. |
| 01:54.27 | dondelelcaro | CloD: so use aptitude to mark those packages so they should be installed, and use it to handle your upgrade. |
| 01:54.32 | jbr | tam: changing kernels isn't an upgrade, it's a different package; only new debian revisions are upgrades |
| 01:54.39 | Azar | download it then untar it |
| 01:54.58 | da9000 | hi. quick question: how can I tell debian (from console or X11+KDE) to not auto-launch X11 on boot up? ( want to install NVidia's closed crap drivers, and X11 has to be not running) |
| 01:55.15 | Guerin | !nodm |
| 01:55.15 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 01:55.16 | Azar | tam I assume you know how to recompile the kernel if you want it so badly |
| 01:55.16 | spsoup | the stock debian kernel does not seem to have HIGHMEM enabled, because it is capping me at ~8xx MB. Or, I could be an idiot who doesn't know what argument the bootloader needs to pass to enable this. |
| 01:55.16 | abrotman | !tell da9000 about nodm |
| 01:55.16 | WiFiTux | mcornils, it's a nvidia card so I'll let vesa |
| 01:55.24 | abrotman | spsoup: in sarge .. yes it does |
| 01:55.29 | bob2 | Azar: er, are you going to walk someone thought configuring an entire kernel for their system? |
| 01:55.30 | abrotman | spsoup: are you in sarge or woody? |
| 01:55.31 | jbr | tam: (mind you I'm not sure how kernel-thingy-2.6 works) |
| 01:55.33 | spsoup | sarge. |
| 01:55.34 | tam | jbr: yes, i understand that and i'm not typing apt-get upgrade am typing apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 which should automatically get me the newest kernel from my apt repositary lists |
| 01:55.36 | mcornils | da9000: if you need to do it from the boot loader, pass S as argument |
| 01:55.41 | abrotman | spsoup: uname -r |
| 01:55.43 | tam | Azar: ^^ |
| 01:55.43 | bob2 | spsoup: I think the SMP ones might have it enabled |
| 01:55.44 | mcornils | WiFiTux: ok |
| 01:55.49 | da9000 | abrotman, thx |
| 01:55.51 | Azar | bob2, no but I have the feeling tam does not know what he wants |
| 01:55.57 | da9000 | mcornils, ok thx, but that's a little different |
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| 01:56.01 | spsoup | 2.4.27-1-386. |
| 01:56.02 | tam | Azar: i certainly do know what i want |
| 01:56.02 | dondelelcaro | mcornils: uh, that's not really what you want. |
| 01:56.17 | abrotman | bob2: so does the 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 01:56.19 | Azar | tam sorry for doubting |
| 01:56.24 | abrotman | spsoup: you want 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 01:56.27 | spsoup | 2.4 |
| 01:56.30 | WiFiTux | mcornils, /me frustrated |
| 01:56.30 | abrotman | you sure? |
| 01:56.30 | mcornils | dondelelcaro: depends on what you need to be doing, but I guess you're right ;) |
| 01:56.36 | spsoup | very sure. :) |
| 01:56.53 | mcornils | WiFiTux: what is the exact error msg your self-compiled kernel hangs with? post in private msg |
| 01:57.00 | tam | Azar: no probs. but it's a a wonder why it can tell me to upgrade (so to speak) to an older kernel which i'm currently using |
| 01:57.01 | abrotman | spsoup: well .. try installing it .. i know the 2.6.x have 4G enabled .. |
| 01:57.06 | dondelelcaro | mcornils: or, probably not what you want... although, it definetly won't have X running... ;-) |
| 01:57.09 | CloD | dondelelcaro: there are too many packets to do this manually that's why i was meaning trying "dpkg --set-selections < _empty_file_" |
| 01:57.12 | abrotman | spsoup: i haven't used 2.4 in quite a long time |
| 01:57.35 | tam | Azar: and I could be kinda confusing as I have the cold, in work doing a 12 hour nightshift... |
| 01:57.38 | WiFiTux | mcornils, don't have in the moment, but I sometimes get a kernel-panic on boot or when installing the image it says it has some initrd issues. |
| 01:57.39 | Azar | tam this is curious, my Debian never tells me to upgrade the kernel |
| 01:57.47 | CloD | oh, and i found a wonderfull bug in my system |
| 01:57.58 | tam | Azar: i've not says once debian told me to upgrade my kernel |
| 01:58.00 | Azar | changing kernels is not an "upgrade" |
| 01:58.13 | spsoup | there is a way I could check, right? Couldn't I just download the .deb for the 2.4.27-1-686-smp package and check out that config file that it puts in /boot to see how CONFIG_HIGHMEM is set? |
| 01:58.24 | abrotman | spsoup: the config may be available somewhere else |
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| 01:58.34 | tam | Azar: i says when i done the apt-get install part it asked me to upgrade to an older kernel...i've not says an apt-get upgrade asked me to upgrade my kernels. |
| 01:58.36 | abrotman | spsoup: if you install it .. you can look |
| 01:58.40 | bob2 | spsoup: right |
| 01:58.43 | bob2 | tho that is painful |
| 01:58.44 | hlp_me | thnx |
| 01:58.45 | hlp_me | quit |
| 01:58.53 | mcornils | WiFiTux: well there's two ways, one it getting the initrd stuff right (you can just copy a debian-config file and slim it down from that when it works) the other is built-in stuff which skips the initrd problems but you shouldn't miss stuff you *need* to build in in that case. |
| 01:58.56 | CloD | "/var/log# grep -ri apt-get *" is launching dselect, scrolling, and leaving me with a prompt embedded inside dselect upper frame |
| 01:59.07 | Azar | tam I find this strange, but if you want go ahead and change your kernel |
| 01:59.15 | daft | Azar: if you have the kernel image kernel-image-2.4-386 it will update when there is a new one |
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| 01:59.43 | mcornils | WiFiTux: We need the current error messages (last 10 lines from boot up approx.) otherwise it's too difficult to diagnose |
| 01:59.45 | Azar | daft, if so this is a nice novelty for me |
| 01:59.50 | Guerin | CloD: what? |
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| 02:00.22 | WiFiTux | mcornils, thanks, I might have that like in 30 min... |
| 02:00.34 | Azar | so far I had to go through compiling new kernels myself, "update/upgrade" never did it for me |
| 02:00.36 | mcornils | WiFiTux: Unfortunately, I'll be off to bed then |
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| 02:00.38 | tam | Azar: i wil linstall via kernel-tree-2.6.10 |
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| 02:00.53 | Azar | ok tam , enjoy |
| 02:00.57 | CloD | Guerin: yes. the first time i see sthing like that. ever. |
| 02:01.04 | mcornils | WiFiTux: you can mail me if you want so I can answer tomorrow (tell me if you'd like to) or you can try here then |
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| 02:01.37 | WiFiTux | mcornils, pm your e-mail if you can. :) |
| 02:01.49 | ecliptik | is there any quick way to add a file extension to all files in a directory? |
| 02:01.49 | Guerin | CloD: you run a grep, and it starts dselect? |
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| 02:02.14 | spsoup | is there a way I can unpack this .deb without installing it? or extract a file from it? |
| 02:02.19 | Guerin | ecliptik: man rename |
| 02:02.26 | ecliptik | Guerin, thanks |
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| 02:02.32 | daft | spsoup: it is a gzip file |
| 02:02.35 | CloD | guerin: on my woody, yes. on my sarge it doesn't. |
| 02:02.38 | Guerin | no, it isn't |
| 02:02.39 | thomas_adam | spsoup: See the FAQ: dpkg -x foo.deb /somewhere |
| 02:02.45 | Guerin | a deb is an ar file |
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| 02:02.59 | spsoup | cool. I'll check those out. sorry, I asked before googling on that one.... shame on me. |
| 02:03.00 | Guerin | containing a couple of tar.gz files |
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| 02:03.17 | Guerin | CloD: that's just fucked |
| 02:03.29 | CloD | guerin: what do you mean ? |
| 02:03.49 | Guerin | CloD: /usr/bin/grep running /usr/bin/dselect, is that what you're telling me? |
| 02:04.10 | CloD | guerin: yes. E X A C T L Y. |
| 02:04.19 | Guerin | CloD: that's just fucked |
| 02:04.23 | thomas_adam | CloD: 'type grep'. |
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| 02:04.44 | daft | reboot to new kernel bbs |
| 02:04.50 | CloD | thomas_adams : => "grep is hashed (/bin/grep)" |
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| 02:05.18 | thomas_adam | CloD: thomas_adams? |
| 02:05.19 | Thonatos | How do I go about setting a limit to size on a folder ? Quota for a single folder ... ?? |
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| 02:05.32 | thomas_adam | Thonatos: use dd and mount on loopback. |
| 02:05.45 | Thonatos | dd ok thanks thomas |
| 02:05.47 | asg | Thonatos: quotas are usually applied to filesystems |
| 02:05.52 | d0t | whats the best X-based IRC client? Preferably one with transparencies |
| 02:06.00 | Guerin | no such thing |
| 02:06.00 | Thonatos | asg - sure |
| 02:06.05 | CloD | thomas_adam: sorry? |
| 02:06.05 | kaplanfx | d0t: X-Chat is good |
| 02:06.16 | thomas_adam | CloD: That's better. Thanks. |
| 02:06.18 | Thonatos | sure but I amsimply looking to set a quota or folder size limit on a samba share.. |
| 02:06.23 | asg | d0t: Eterm -e irssi |
| 02:06.29 | kaplanfx | asking what is best is very subjective |
| 02:06.32 | thomas_adam | s/eterm/rxvt/ |
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| 02:06.34 | CloD | thomas_adam: sorry, it's because of Douglas. |
| 02:06.37 | thomas_adam | Transparency? Pah! |
| 02:06.39 | d0t | cool, thank ya. |
| 02:06.40 | d0t | LOL |
| 02:06.43 | d0t | :D |
| 02:06.43 | Thonatos | I honestly have no other need to set quota up for users.. ect.. ect.. on the system itself |
| 02:06.54 | Guerin | Thonatos: so do what thomas_adam told you to |
| 02:06.59 | Guerin | it's not hard |
| 02:07.02 | thomas_adam | Thonatos: Quotas are only applied to filesystems. |
| 02:07.02 | Thonatos | I am going to =) |
| 02:08.08 | spsoup | confirmed: the stock 2.4 sarge kernel does not have HIGHMEM enabled, but the smp 2.4 kernel does. |
| 02:08.14 | CloD | maybe a strace of that one should be interesting |
| 02:08.36 | spsoup | thanks, y'all. |
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| 02:08.45 | thomas_adam | CloD: Maybe. |
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| 02:10.41 | spart | Can anyone recommend an backup utility (w/ clients for wind32 & linux)? I'd like to store the backed up data to a raid5 array (as opposed to tape or something). the cloest I've found is http://www.fluffy.co.uk/boxbackup but i was hoping i could evaluate some other options. |
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| 02:11.06 | asg | spart: check backuppc, amanda, and bacula |
| 02:11.42 | spart | thx asg |
| 02:11.45 | CloD | thomas_adam:guerin: surprisingly, it only occurs in /var/log |
| 02:11.54 | thomas_adam | CloD: What does? |
| 02:12.01 | Guerin | asg: also look at rsnapshot |
| 02:12.04 | Guerin | ah |
| 02:12.07 | Guerin | spart: ^^ |
| 02:12.19 | spart | thx Guerin yer always helpful! =) |
| 02:12.19 | thomas_adam | Nah, asg should look too. |
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| 02:12.58 | asg | thomas_adam: tar works fine for me *shrug* |
| 02:13.00 | Guerin | CloD: do you have anything funky in your path, like .? |
| 02:13.10 | thomas_adam | :) |
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| 02:13.35 | CloD | guerin: no. |
| 02:13.52 | thomas_adam | CloD: 'hash -r' -- and try again. |
| 02:13.53 | CloD | thomas_adam: grep launches dselect only when launched from /var/log - gonna launch a system check right now :-) |
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| 02:14.26 | thomas_adam | CloD: What command are you using? |
| 02:14.48 | thomas_adam | CloD: The CWD shouldn't make any difference unless you have '.' in your $PATH. |
| 02:14.54 | Guerin | exactly |
| 02:15.07 | Guerin | but then aagain |
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| 02:15.28 | Guerin | there shouldn't be a dselect binary in /var/log anyway ... |
| 02:15.34 | CloD | thomas_adam: just grep, the good old grep - no . in my $path |
| 02:15.46 | Avantopia | if I am using XDM right now and I want to use GDM instead how do I reconfigure debian to use GDM at startup? |
| 02:15.49 | thomas_adam | CloD: cd / && grep foo blag |
| 02:15.56 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: what does thomas_adam pay you for? |
| 02:15.57 | thomas_adam | CloD: Does it happen then? |
| 02:15.58 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:16.01 | FieldySnuts | eh |
| 02:16.03 | leOn | Avantopia: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 02:16.06 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: Heh. :P |
| 02:16.18 | Avantopia | leOn, thx |
| 02:16.20 | drac | Avantopia: And you can of course remove xdm, if you don't need it anymore. |
| 02:16.23 | thomas_adam | Avantopia: Or edit /etc/X11/defsult-display-manager |
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| 02:17.30 | CloD | thomas_adam: with "cd / && grep foo /var/log/*" yes |
| 02:18.02 | spart | asg thanks very much, backupc and bacula look very promissing. |
| 02:18.11 | asg | spart: you're welcome |
| 02:18.15 | thomas_adam | CloD: replace that with: " cd / && command foo /var/log/*" |
| 02:18.43 | FieldySnuts | @blaireau RedHat "Enterprise" "Server" |
| 02:18.43 | thomas_adam | CloD: replace that with: " cd / && command grep foo /var/log/*" |
| 02:18.45 | ravenbird | RedHat "Enterprise" "Server": blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 02:19.41 | CloD | thomas_adam: yes |
| 02:19.47 | thomas_adam | CloD: yes what? |
| 02:19.53 | FieldySnuts | troll |
| 02:20.34 | CloD | thomas_adam: launches dselect, scroll all packages for a few seconds, then gives me back the shell but inside upper dselect frame |
| 02:20.38 | thomas_adam | CloD: You're telling me porkies, because "command grep" uses /bin/grep, and the glob will only match whatever is in /var/log. It doesnt therefore make logical sense that dselect can ever run. |
| 02:20.47 | zignig | asg: have you used bacula ? |
| 02:21.13 | asg | zignig: no, though it looks interesting. We use Veritas backup systems at work. |
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| 02:21.16 | CloD | thomas_adam: i whish you could check it by yourself |
| 02:21.50 | thomas_adam | CloD: "file /bin/grep" |
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| 02:22.39 | CloD | thomas_adam: /bin/grep: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 02:22.40 | CloD | so normal i guess... |
| 02:22.42 | FieldySnuts | heh. porkies |
| 02:22.58 | CloD | thomas_adam: and not when i try to strace it |
| 02:23.03 | thomas_adam | CloD: Yes. Normal. No dselect, no nothing. |
| 02:23.30 | CloD | thomas_adam: sure - but it's happening |
| 02:23.35 | thomas_adam | CloD: I'm not saying anymore about it. |
| 02:24.19 | CloD | thomas_adam: because you don't believe me ? oh guy... what interest in telling porkies here ? |
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| 02:25.14 | zignig | asg: :) same here , bacula looked interesting. |
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| 02:25.25 | asg | zignig: :) |
| 02:25.26 | zignig | has anyone here tried bacula yet ? thoughts ? |
| 02:25.27 | alexscott | plop |
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| 02:26.00 | thomas_adam | CloD: Given the basis that you have the components: /bin/grep, a CWD (which is irrelivent) and a glob on /varlog/* (which is passed to /bin/grep as a list of files to search in) -- and that we only know that this happens when peforming the glob in /var/log, and that we know grep wroks fine elsewhere, just doesn't add up to me that you're telling the truth. Check $PATH as a final resort. But you have already said '.' is |
| 02:26.34 | ionrock | hello, I wanted to try out lufs and installed the packages but it needs a kernel module. I did an apt-get install lufs-source but I am unclear how I can compile the module now |
| 02:26.51 | thomas_adam | ionrock: cd /usr/src/modulea/ |
| 02:26.54 | CloD | thomas_adam: do you want an account on my machine to test it by yourself ? |
| 02:27.02 | thomas_adam | CloD: Sure. |
| 02:27.19 | ionrock | thomas_adam, thanks! |
| 02:27.28 | thomas_adam | ionrock: minus my spelling mistakes. |
| 02:28.06 | ionrock | got it ;) |
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| 02:29.11 | thomas_adam | ionrock: You'll also need the correct kernel-headers installed (or the source, if you had that from a previous kernel compile) |
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| 02:30.08 | ionrock | thomas_adam, I have the headers |
| 02:30.18 | thomas_adam | ionrock: Then 'make' away. |
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| 02:31.21 | CloD | thomas_adam: would you give an account to a stranger on one of your machine ? |
| 02:31.45 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:31.49 | thomas_adam | CloD: Yes, since youd get chroot()d on one of my boxes. |
| 02:31.53 | jbr | CloD: doesn't trying to read everything in /var/log give you any access errors? |
| 02:32.09 | thomas_adam | CloD: But really, the logic is clear to me -- none of what you're saying makes any sense. |
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| 02:32.16 | jbr | CloD: how about "for x in /var/log/* ; do grep foo $x; done"? |
| 02:32.19 | thomas_adam | jbr: That's besides the point. |
| 02:32.22 | Guerin | /var/log is typically 750 root:adm |
| 02:32.30 | asg | thomas_adam: did you have him md5 the grep binary and compare it to a known good one? |
| 02:32.39 | thomas_adam | asg: No. |
| 02:32.45 | CloD | thomas_adam: all makes sense, it is a corruption somewhere in the system, that's all, an inode collision or sthing |
| 02:32.53 | thomas_adam | CloD: md5sum /bin/grep |
| 02:33.35 | thomas_adam | "inode collision?" |
| 02:33.43 | thomas_adam | I smell... |
| 02:33.56 | CloD | jbr: bugs also |
| 02:33.58 | jbr | thomas_adam: you know, whoosh, bang, dselect! |
| 02:34.40 | jbr | CloD: at what point? make it "do echo $x; grep foo $x; done |
| 02:34.55 | thomas_adam | jbr: Again.... it doesn't matter. |
| 02:35.05 | jbr | thomas_adam: we don't know that |
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| 02:35.28 | mg__ | Hi. Is debian-win32 usable? |
| 02:35.44 | bob2 | no |
| 02:35.45 | thomas_adam | jbr: grep doesn't eval anything from the logs, it only displays the found entries. |
| 02:35.46 | asg | mg__: no, win32 isn't sufficiently unixy to be debianish |
| 02:35.59 | bob2 | there's a port, but it's...incomplete |
| 02:36.02 | thomas_adam | CloD: Got that md5sum yet? |
| 02:36.02 | CloD | jbr: md5sum: 8d79ac222d84a69b13e9f206cdc55779 /bin/grep |
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| 02:36.20 | asg | CloD: what debian version? how long since you updated? |
| 02:36.41 | asg | bob2: why would anyone port debian to win32? |
| 02:36.41 | jbr | CloD:matches woody's |
| 02:36.52 | bob2 | asg: some people have WAY too much time on their hands |
| 02:36.57 | asg | bob2: the whole lot would be contrib |
| 02:37.03 | bob2 | yup |
| 02:37.06 | asg | bob2: morons |
| 02:37.12 | bob2 | tho there is debian-win32@lists.d.o |
| 02:37.38 | mg__ | Its interesting thing to have win32 kernel take care of hardware, and cygwin unix feel |
| 02:37.41 | WiFiTux | bob2, is this needed? [*] Initial RAM disk (initrd) support |
| 02:37.51 | CloD | jbr: on /var/log/installer.log.1 |
| 02:37.52 | bob2 | are you using an initrd? |
| 02:38.17 | jbr | CloD: not even a gz?! |
| 02:38.51 | jbr | CloD: you're quite _sure_ you aren't piping this to xargs? |
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| 02:39.20 | thomas_adam | :| |
| 02:39.38 | CloD | jbr: no - here is the simpliest command that produces the bug: "grep foo /var/log/installer.log.1" |
| 02:39.44 | gaasfet | Q: whats the difference between service "alsa" and "alsa-sound" ?? |
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| 02:39.59 | jbr | CloD: okay, so try to find the individual line! cp it elswhere and cut it up... |
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| 02:40.18 | WiFiTux | bob2, I have no idea! it's sarge so I guess so? |
| 02:40.35 | bob2 | oh man |
| 02:40.41 | asg | !comfort bob2 |
| 02:40.42 | dpkg | There, there, bob2. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:40.42 | bob2 | I can't talk to you anymore, I'm sorry |
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| 02:41.03 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure I said, 4 or 5 times, that tere was no difference between sarge and woody in this regard |
| 02:41.07 | bob2 | and you told me there was |
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| 02:41.20 | jbr | CloD: (or perhaps first check if the fsckedness is in that inode or in the content) |
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| 02:41.58 | WiFiTux | bob2, ok, I beleive you. Do I need initrd or not? whichever is fine for me. |
| 02:42.09 | abrotman | no |
| 02:42.10 | abrotman | no way |
| 02:42.11 | abrotman | never |
| 02:42.11 | CloD | jbr: it's 4710986 in size so even at a 1/2(n) dichotomy rate, it will be long - i try the fscheck first |
| 02:42.14 | abrotman | it's bad |
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| 02:42.28 | firefly2442 | I just installed debian amd 64 sarge, when trying to get DHCP up and running it goes through DHCPDISCOVER and then says, "no dhcp offers recieved" |
| 02:42.31 | bob2 | WiFiTux: this leads me to doubt our entire conversation thus far |
| 02:42.44 | abrotman | firefly2442: which installer? |
| 02:43.05 | firefly2442 | sarge netinstall |
| 02:43.08 | bob2 | WiFiTux: the default sarge config has a initrd |
| 02:43.13 | bob2 | WiFiTux: the default woody install one does not |
| 02:43.13 | abrotman | firefly2442: not the AMD64 net install? |
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| 02:43.27 | bob2 | WiFiTux: if you are uilding your own kernel, you do not want or need it |
| 02:43.29 | WiFiTux | bob2, I don't want initrd, I have never used initrd with my woody images. |
| 02:43.39 | firefly2442 | ya, it tried to use DHCP and connect but it just installed the basics |
| 02:43.49 | firefly2442 | so I thought I would set it up later and update |
| 02:43.54 | WiFiTux | bob2, ok, so I will remove it, and then I won't need --initrd? |
| 02:43.55 | bob2 | WiFiTux: indeed, but you also told me that you didn't use it on sarge |
| 02:43.56 | abrotman | firefly2442: this is important .. the vanilla sarge installer or the AMD64 installer? |
| 02:43.59 | bob2 | WiFiTux: is that incorrec? |
| 02:44.06 | firefly2442 | AMD64 |
| 02:44.17 | abrotman | firefly2442: then please ask #debian-amd64 .. they make thier own installer |
| 02:44.23 | firefly2442 | ok thanks |
| 02:44.40 | CloD | jbr: sorry but ... fs what ? |
| 02:44.43 | abrotman | firefly2442: double check your NIC is working too |
| 02:44.44 | WiFiTux | bob2, in sarge I did select it I think, but didn't do the --initrd thing maybe. So the thing is, if I do not select RAM Disk Initrd, then I don't need --initrd? |
| 02:44.51 | abrotman | firefly2442: try a static IP if need be |
| 02:44.59 | bob2 | WiFiTux: and this is exactly what I was saying |
| 02:45.01 | jbr | CloD: what does "cp /var/log/installer.log.1 ~/ && grep foo ~/installer.log.1" give you? |
| 02:45.02 | firefly2442 | ok |
| 02:45.08 | bob2 | WiFiTux: and this is exactly why your kernel didn't work on sarge |
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| 02:45.52 | CloD | jbr: bugs also, so i guess the dichotomy is pertinent... |
| 02:46.11 | jbr | CloD: have you tried just "pager /var/log/installer.log.1"? |
| 02:46.23 | WiFiTux | bob2, OK, I will remove that * and not do make-kpkg --initrd. |
| 02:46.36 | WiFiTux | bob2, or which one is safer, with or without? |
| 02:46.47 | bob2 | it depends what you're doing |
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| 02:46.57 | bob2 | if you're buliding your own kernel, and not using root-on-software-raid, disable it |
| 02:46.57 | CloD | jbr: no bug with pager |
| 02:47.08 | bob2 | and build your ide/scsi module and filesystem drivers into the kernel |
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| 02:47.53 | dnb | do you any application to connect voicechat servers like 64.124.22.133:1200 |
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| 02:48.19 | WiFiTux | bob2, ok, so remove it and Y to the hdd driver and the fs driver. |
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| 02:48.56 | bob2 | yes |
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| 02:49.10 | jintonic | how could i set command line resolution higher? |
| 02:49.10 | bob2 | I'm not trying to harp on at you, but I told you this a couple of hours ago |
| 02:49.43 | thomas_adam | jintonic: framebuffer, or svgatextmode |
| 02:49.46 | bob2 | aren't you using ubuntu? |
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| 02:50.29 | jintonic | bob2: yes, i asked there a couple minutes ago and figured its worth a try in here since its generally more active |
| 02:50.30 | thulben | how do I go about installing extensions for firefox on debian? |
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| 02:50.39 | thulben | tried launching via sudo, but no dice |
| 02:50.52 | WiFiTux | bob2, haha no! hell no. Sorry for bugging, but you have been the only one to help, and this is really teacking me off... |
| 02:51.05 | jintonic | and i figured since the worst that could happen is i screw up my os, oh well, i have no problem reinstalling |
| 02:51.15 | thomas_adam | WiFiTux: It's not that. It's the fact that youre not listening to what you're being told. :) |
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| 02:51.44 | sphere | jintonic: bob2 is trying to point out that #debian might not be the best place to get support for an OS that is not Debian. |
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| 02:51.52 | sphere | jintonic: see /t for details |
| 02:52.07 | bob2 | jintonic: "use X" is by far the easisest solution |
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| 02:52.32 | Xenguy | thulben: use firefox itself (see 'Tools -> Extensions', or something similar) |
| 02:52.34 | jintonic | yeah, but i'm curious how its done |
| 02:52.50 | jintonic | can't hurt much... |
| 02:52.54 | thulben | xenguy: trying that. when I click on an extension, it does nothing |
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| 02:54.44 | WiFiTux | thomas_adam, Sorry, i have the music too loud. I can't hear.. :) |
| 02:55.04 | Vladi | what is the problem with amarok and FLAC liboggflac1 and the unstable distribuition amarok stopped working after an update? |
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| 02:55.17 | asg | Vladi: check the bts |
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| 02:56.13 | CloD | jbr: 25 lines... |
| 02:56.48 | WiFiTux | bob2, ok, one last thing, Do I also remove RAM Disk Suppot |
| 02:56.50 | WiFiTux | rt |
| 02:56.55 | martoon | i'm planning to wipe my windows partition and making it a linux partition...my question is that right now the windows part (/dev/hda1) is the only one w/ a bootable flag, should I make it bootable when I switch it to a linux part or move bootable to / (/dev/hda2)? |
| 02:56.57 | bob2 | doesn't matter |
| 02:57.02 | WiFiTux | bob2, ok. |
| 02:57.03 | Xenguy | thulben: addons.update.mozilla.org <-- might work for now |
| 02:57.16 | jintonic | can i set console res with grub? |
| 02:57.39 | asg | jintonic: append 'vga=xxx (771 or 791 are good choices)' to the kernel line |