| 00:00.13 | torfmaster | can you flood us a you dmesg? |
| 00:00.19 | torfmaster | I mean the DVD stuff |
| 00:00.32 | doub | sophacles: note you can still copy the file, using dd and "conv=noerror", but errors will remain in the copy |
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| 00:01.59 | torfmaster | What about CDs? Are they running correctly? |
| 00:02.32 | torfmaster | If not I would a) refer to the type of DVD (-R,-RW,+R... ) and b) refer to the speed of record |
| 00:02.34 | thomas_adam | sophacles: Antigone? :) |
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| 00:03.03 | mikael_ | hi, has anyone already make a webcam work with linux ? |
| 00:03.11 | piingouin | mikael_, yes |
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| 00:03.20 | piingouin | mikael_, what is your webcam ? |
| 00:03.25 | mikael_ | piingouin which one do you have ? |
| 00:03.47 | piingouin | philips |
| 00:03.49 | mikael_ | piingouin i have a aiptek pencam vga+ |
| 00:03.57 | piingouin | ouch... |
| 00:04.03 | piingouin | what is that.. |
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| 00:04.44 | mikael_ | piingouin a small one |
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| 00:04.56 | directhex | philips webcams don't work with recent kernels, their binary-only driver doesn't work anymore. as far as i remember, anyway |
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| 00:05.16 | thomas_adam | torfmaster: Don't /msg me. |
| 00:05.19 | mikael_ | piingouin ( http://www.aiptek.de/index.php?lan=3&mapid=31&katid1=15&katid2=13&detailid=49 ) |
| 00:05.52 | mikael_ | piingouin i have unabled video 4 linux |
| 00:05.59 | setog3 | I want to use my tv out with an i855 chipset , and I have many problem, and I don't find a good documentation |
| 00:06.13 | mikael_ | piingouin and a driver in the usb kernel section |
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| 00:06.17 | boldii | hi |
| 00:06.25 | sophacles | doub ok about the dd.. thanks |
| 00:06.27 | virgomoon | using cdrecord to burn cds, what is TAO mode? |
| 00:06.34 | setog3 | I try it with the new i810 driver from xorg, and I have an image on the tv (but I can't have the two on lfp and tv) |
| 00:06.35 | sophacles | trofmaster yeah... lemme get the dmesg. |
| 00:06.37 | piingouin | mikael_, pv please |
| 00:06.45 | mikael_ | piingouin which software do you use for the webcam ? |
| 00:06.45 | setog3 | and the image don't take all the screen |
| 00:06.47 | sophacles | torfmaster, where should i flood to? |
| 00:06.55 | mikael_ | piingouin how do i pv ? |
| 00:07.03 | torfmaster | what about #flood? |
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| 00:07.12 | sophacles | torfmaster, k |
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| 00:07.19 | soclas | thnx a lot guys n girls buy |
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| 00:07.23 | setog3 | I read somewhere that we can use xvidtune to modify that , but xvidtune give me an error like can do nothing with this chips |
| 00:07.27 | setog3 | what can I do thx |
| 00:07.38 | virgomoon | oh, nevermind, there it is |
| 00:07.39 | piingouin | you dont see me ? in another tab/windows ? |
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| 00:07.59 | mikael_ | piingouin i have a xterm bitchx |
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| 00:08.20 | mikael_ | piingouin yes i see what you say |
| 00:08.21 | romulo | theres any way to control the download rate of cvs?! |
| 00:08.56 | elnovato | does KDE for sarge was upgraded? |
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| 00:09.22 | setog3 | anybody use a tv out with debian here ? |
| 00:09.29 | mikael_ | piingouin actually i don't see you in pv |
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| 00:09.41 | nite_fly | is there a browser for console |
| 00:09.53 | piingouin | mikael_, did you see that : http://stv0680-usb.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:09.54 | setog3 | nite_fly, mc |
| 00:09.55 | ApEtc | nite_fly: lynx, links, w3m |
| 00:10.01 | setog3 | arf |
| 00:10.02 | directhex | nite_fly, there are several |
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| 00:10.13 | mikael_ | piingouin yes i have compiled that in my kernel |
| 00:10.16 | directhex | nite_fly, w3m, lynx, links, links2, elinks, for example |
| 00:10.23 | piingouin | mikael_, good |
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| 00:10.25 | mikael_ | piingouin but i don't know how to access my webcam now |
| 00:10.33 | piingouin | mikael_, then you modprobe the module ? |
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| 00:11.10 | mikael_ | piingouin I have compiled it static |
| 00:11.18 | Hugo | debian en español |
| 00:11.29 | Hugo | debian en español cual es la direccion |
| 00:11.37 | piingouin | mikael_, apt-get install camstream |
| 00:11.38 | mikael_ | piingouin " usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using address 3" when i connect the webcam |
| 00:11.55 | setog3 | ok see you later |
| 00:12.04 | mikael_ | piingouin ok camstream is installed |
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| 00:12.12 | piingouin | mikael_, you're cam should be /dev/video0 |
| 00:12.19 | piingouin | so , camstream |
| 00:12.24 | mirak | is there some unsuported wmv formats ? |
| 00:12.35 | mirak | I mean is it possible to read all wmv files ? |
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| 00:13.20 | torfmaster | sophocles: What kind of drive do you have? Recorder? |
| 00:13.27 | Piru | mirak, yes. no. |
| 00:13.53 | piingouin | mikael_, silence.....camstream ok ? |
| 00:14.02 | mikael_ | piingouin cmamstream cannot find the device |
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| 00:14.27 | piingouin | mikael_, check the permissions on /dev/video0 |
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| 00:14.31 | piingouin | mikael_, check the permissions on /dev/vi* |
| 00:14.35 | piingouin | mikael_, check the permissions on /dev/video* |
| 00:14.39 | piingouin | damn ;) |
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| 00:15.04 | sophacles | torfmaster, so does that mean that my dvd is bad or there is some problem with the drive? |
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| 00:15.29 | torfmaster | Looks like a Medium problem |
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| 00:15.34 | mikael_ | piingouin it's "crw-rw----" |
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| 00:15.51 | torfmaster | Everything is recognized fine and there no problems shining through your configuration |
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| 00:16.01 | sophacles | k. cuz my room mates windows box handles the same dvd fine... |
| 00:16.16 | piingouin | mikael_, you know how user/group work ? chmod this /dev/video* |
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| 00:16.38 | mikael_ | piingouin yes |
| 00:16.53 | mikael_ | piingouin but i was running camstream as root |
| 00:16.57 | torfmaster | sophocles: To make it concrete: seems you're having a DVD-RW or stuff in a "normal" drive |
| 00:16.59 | torfmaster | that |
| 00:17.02 | piingouin | graaabbrllll |
| 00:17.04 | torfmaster | _may_ cause problems |
| 00:17.33 | Faiper | hile, somo one here know something about a bug in Orkut + IE ? |
| 00:18.02 | mikael_ | piingouin which group should I attached to /dev/video* |
| 00:18.13 | stew | Faiper: congrats, thats maybe the most offtopic question of the day |
| 00:18.20 | sophacles | torfmaster... the drive is a dvd+/-R/RW/CD-rw combo.... |
| 00:18.31 | piingouin | mikael_, tail -f /var/log/messages /var/log/kern.log /var/log/syslog plug/unplug you camera to see where it goes, generaly /dev/video0 |
| 00:18.42 | torfmaster | sophocles: make it public |
| 00:18.58 | sophacles | torfmaster, ? |
| 00:19.11 | Faiper | stew, sorry about this, but is a big bug in Internet Explore, and user of Firefox don't have this problem |
| 00:19.28 | mikael_ | piingouin it writes this only "usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using address 5" |
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| 00:19.51 | stew | Faiper: http://support.microsoft.com/ |
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| 00:20.51 | piingouin | mikael_, do you have xawtv installed ? |
| 00:20.59 | piingouin | apt-get install xawtv |
| 00:21.03 | Faiper | stew, I don't want support from M$, i use GNU/Linux. Just want talk about security in firefox. But Thanks any away ... bye for you |
| 00:21.27 | mikael_ | piingouin nope |
| 00:21.35 | piingouin | be sure that you have de usb stuff in you kernel, the v4linux also and sure you module loaded for you cam |
| 00:21.43 | piingouin | so apt-get install xawtv |
| 00:21.58 | piingouin | mikael_, and : xawtv -hwscan |
| 00:22.14 | piingouin | /dev/video0: OK [ -device /dev/video0 ] |
| 00:22.20 | piingouin | for my cam |
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| 00:22.47 | CaT_MaN | hello ppl |
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| 00:23.03 | viper2k | anyone around with pptpd expierence ? |
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| 00:23.28 | piingouin | more than gay experiences i'm sure |
| 00:24.03 | viper2k | heh |
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| 00:24.24 | viper2k | I`ve checked the howto`s.. I`ve installed it made the conf files .. but it won`t connect |
| 00:24.29 | mikael_ | piingouin i think i don't have my webcam after xawtv -hwscan, only NVXX which should be related to my nvidia card |
| 00:24.56 | piingouin | mikael_, so have to check before...the module..the usb ?! i dont know... |
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| 00:25.26 | piingouin | mikael_, you build you're own kernel ? |
| 00:25.34 | mikael_ | piingouin yes i do |
| 00:25.35 | piingouin | or kernel-image ? |
| 00:25.48 | Aldebaran | I can no longer find kernel-source-2.6.7 on the mirrors, worse it is no longer listed at debian.org does anyone know what happened to it? |
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| 00:25.52 | viper2k | is there something more then pptpd progs and the config files I need to make a vpn server ? |
| 00:25.58 | mikael_ | piingouin my own kernel |
| 00:26.31 | piingouin | mikael_, add also : hotplug in the kernel, and all the package around : apt-get install hotplug, usbutils |
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| 00:27.08 | mikael_ | piingouin are you sure i really need hotplug |
| 00:27.23 | mikael_ | piingouin because it mess up with my wireless card |
| 00:27.23 | cafuego | Aldebaran: it turned out to have BUGS and was superseded by 2.6.8, 2.6.9 and 2.6.10 |
| 00:27.43 | piingouin | mikael_,forget it |
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| 00:27.53 | piingouin | what an id also to have wireless card...:/ |
| 00:27.54 | piingouin | ;) |
| 00:27.55 | Aldebaran | 2.6.8 and 9 have bugs with k3b and are unusable for burning cds is that not correct? |
| 00:28.01 | cafuego | viper2k: Depends. if you want windoze clients you need a kernel patch too. |
| 00:28.08 | mikael_ | piingouin lol |
| 00:28.09 | piingouin | wireless card of what by the way mikael_ ? |
| 00:28.13 | cafuego | Aldebaran: No, that's not correct. |
| 00:28.14 | Aldebaran | http://www.k3b.org/ |
| 00:28.34 | viper2k | cafuego ahh :P thats the prob then :P what do I need to compile in my kernel then ?? |
| 00:28.37 | mikael_ | piingouin it's the ipw2100, intel wifi card |
| 00:28.39 | cafuego | Aldebaran: They have bugs that mean burning cd's using an IDE burner as non-root user is problematic. |
| 00:28.46 | viper2k | cafuego does the mod come standart with 2.6.9 |
| 00:28.47 | viper2k | ? |
| 00:28.49 | cafuego | viper2k: kernel-patch-mppe |
| 00:28.52 | piingouin | ok |
| 00:29.04 | viper2k | cafuego what does that patch do ? |
| 00:29.14 | Aldebaran | uhhh .... so thats why I use 2.6.7 |
| 00:29.17 | cafuego | viper2k: it allows for MS-CHAP "encryption" |
| 00:29.18 | piingouin | mikael_, i have no more id |
| 00:29.32 | cafuego | Aldebaran: Well, there's a source on kernel.org |
| 00:29.43 | mikael_ | piingouin so, you usually start camstream and then your cam works under /dev/video something ? |
| 00:29.43 | Aldebaran | or is debian broken now that 2.6.7 is unavailable? |
| 00:30.01 | mikael_ | piingouin that's it ? you don't mount your usb device or something like that ? |
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| 00:30.14 | piingouin | mikael_, yep |
| 00:30.27 | piingouin | mikael_, i've build an usbfile system with the kernel |
| 00:30.32 | viper2k | cafuego ah :) .. how can I compile thatone into my kernel ? |
| 00:30.38 | piingouin | load the pwc module - for my cams - |
| 00:30.46 | piingouin | and i see them in dmesg |
| 00:30.48 | Aldebaran | cafuego how different is it from the deb 2.6.7 will it still jesus why did they remove 2.6.7? |
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| 00:30.57 | piingouin | /dev/video0 /dev/video1 |
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| 00:31.21 | mikael_ | piingouin i think i have the usbfile system, let me check |
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| 00:31.24 | piingouin | i can use them with camstream, xvidcap, xawtv ect.. |
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| 00:31.46 | mikael_ | piingouin is it CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS ? |
| 00:31.55 | piingouin | mikael_, hmm let me check |
| 00:32.11 | giupy | how can i solve this? "slamr: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module" i recive this when i try modprobe slamr module,i have ever used it with compiled 2.6.9 kernel but after i have booted with 2.4.27 kernel and than rebooted with 2.6.9 i have recived that msg |
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| 00:32.50 | bluefox83 | how do i link /home/bluefox/d3 to /d3 ? |
| 00:32.54 | newbie^ | hello friends, how can i create a bootable cd from my bzImage file? i use cdrecord for burning cds.? |
| 00:33.12 | daft | I loaded |
| 00:33.17 | daft | oes |
| 00:33.18 | newbie^ | bluefox83, ln -s /home/bluefox/d3 /d3 |
| 00:33.25 | hypa7ia | i'm having a very strange cd-burning issue... the last 4 cd's i've burned have been returning this error when i try to md5sum /dev/cdrom |
| 00:33.26 | piingouin | mikael_, menuconfig->device drivers,usb support,USB device filesystem |
| 00:33.26 | hypa7ia | $ md5sum /dev/cdrom |
| 00:33.26 | hypa7ia | error processing /dev/cdrom: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error |
| 00:33.27 | mad | bluefox83, as root |
| 00:33.36 | giupy | newbie^, if i remember there is a pkg for it |
| 00:33.38 | unixfool_ | bluefox83: actually, ln -s /d3 /home/bluefox/d3 |
| 00:33.39 | bluefox83 | k |
| 00:33.41 | hypa7ia | known good cd's still md5sum |
| 00:33.43 | unixfool_ | i think |
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| 00:33.52 | giupy | newbie^, for create bootable cd |
| 00:34.04 | newbie^ | from BzImage..=) |
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| 00:34.12 | bluefox83 | so i get this right.. /home/bluefox/d3 is empty, i want it to be a link to /d3 |
| 00:34.15 | newbie^ | please remember friend=( |
| 00:34.22 | giupy | :) |
| 00:34.26 | unixfool_ | bluefox83, rmdir it first |
| 00:34.27 | boldii | unixfool_, no, first source then target. |
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| 00:34.34 | bluefox83 | rmdir? |
| 00:34.46 | newbie^ | bluefox83, rm -fr /folder |
| 00:34.51 | Bedad | hmm if i have a secondary harddrive on /dev/hdb1 with winxp on it, what exactly would i add in /boot/grub/menu.lst to give me the option to boot into it? |
| 00:34.52 | mikael_ | piingouin yes that's the one |
| 00:35.01 | bluefox83 | doesn't have any empty direcotires.. |
| 00:35.06 | mad | unixfool_, syntax is : ln -s [target] [name] |
| 00:35.07 | sensebend | hey bluefox83 |
| 00:35.08 | piingouin | mikael_, you had it ? |
| 00:35.10 | bluefox83 | it's got all my different media files |
| 00:35.13 | bluefox83 | sensebend, hiya |
| 00:35.14 | mikael_ | piingouin have you use gtkam with your webcam ? |
| 00:35.17 | unixfool_ | boldii, check man |
| 00:35.18 | sensebend | :) |
| 00:35.22 | mikael_ | piingouin yes i had it |
| 00:35.25 | mad | unixfool_, not the other side |
| 00:35.25 | sensebend | didn't notice you also come in here bluefox83 |
| 00:35.26 | walnuck | is there an apt command that'll tell me from what depository a package comes from? |
| 00:35.27 | bluefox83 | sensebend, findin any help in here? |
| 00:35.36 | sensebend | naw just idling |
| 00:35.37 | pjjw | bedad: something like- root (hd1,0) \n makeactive \n chainloader +1 \n boot |
| 00:35.37 | piingouin | mikael_, no, never...isnt for still camera ? |
| 00:35.38 | Aldebaran | which 2.6 kernel will work with ide cd burners |
| 00:35.40 | sensebend | take it to msg |
| 00:35.46 | bluefox83 | sensebend, i come in to pick their brains..i'm worthless for advise |
| 00:35.48 | pjjw | \n == newline, btw :D |
| 00:35.52 | boldii | Aldebaran, 2.6.7 does work. |
| 00:35.56 | piingouin | mikael_, lsusb |
| 00:36.08 | Aldebaran | Where can I get kernel-source for 2.6.7? |
| 00:36.11 | piingouin | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0471:0311 Philips PCVC740K ToUcam Pro [pwc] |
| 00:36.17 | idnar | Bedad: you'll check that (hd1,0) is actually the right partition |
| 00:36.21 | mikael_ | piingouin "Bus 002 Device 006: ID 08ca:0111 Aiptek International, Inc. PenCam VGA Plus" |
| 00:36.25 | pjjw | yeah |
| 00:36.26 | idnar | Bedad: er, you'll *want* to check |
| 00:36.32 | pjjw | i guess i shouyld have emphasized the "something like" |
| 00:36.33 | pjjw | hehe |
| 00:36.41 | Aldebaran | boldii where can I find a deb package with kernel-source-2.6.7? |
| 00:36.44 | piingouin | mikael_, ah ! |
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| 00:36.54 | Bedad | idnar, how can i check? all i see is in fdisk /dev/hdb |
| 00:36.55 | newbie^ | ln -s target name |
| 00:36.57 | boldii | Aldebaran, you can apt-get it when you use sarge. |
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| 00:37.09 | daft | I checked the sarge install cd to see how it was and well when I start the kernel I get a crc error after kernel booting is that a common error? |
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| 00:37.15 | Aldebaran | boldii no I can't it's gone from all the debian mirrors |
| 00:37.24 | mikael_ | piingouin well "gphoto2 -auto-detect" can detect my camera, which is also a videocam |
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| 00:37.45 | daft | Aldebaran: are you using stable ? |
| 00:37.49 | Aldebaran | no sarge |
| 00:38.22 | Aldebaran | look it's not listed kernel-2.6.7 is not in debian anymore, where can I find it or how can I make my cd burner work with a 2.6. kernel? |
| 00:38.51 | piingouin | mikael_, in simple USER : xawtv -c /dev/video0 |
| 00:38.53 | idnar | Bedad: hrm, well, it should be right; just try booting it like that (if it works, it's right :P) |
| 00:39.00 | Bedad | yeh ok brb |
| 00:39.01 | Bedad | ;-) |
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| 00:39.19 | daft | Aldebaran: isnt it working on your current 2.6 kernel? |
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| 00:39.24 | mikael_ | piingouin it says "no such device" |
| 00:39.43 | mikael_ | piingouin "no video grabber device available |
| 00:39.57 | Aldebaran | daft I am trying to install debian on a different computer, and I can no longer obtain kernel-source-2.6.7 |
| 00:40.03 | Aldebaran | I am using 2.6.7 on this computer |
| 00:40.11 | Aldebaran | but I don't have the source package anymore |
| 00:40.11 | piingouin | mikael_, check where you're cam is |
| 00:40.17 | piingouin | at boot time |
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| 00:40.31 | piingouin | or build it as a module, not in «hard» |
| 00:40.53 | piingouin | or chmod like a pig : chmod 777 /dev/video* |
| 00:41.03 | piingouin | an try again |
| 00:41.09 | boldii | Aldebaran, the source is on kernel.org for sure. |
| 00:41.24 | walnuck | i'm trying to build the mplayerplug-in, thing is i'm not sure what i should download for gtk-dev=>libgtk2.0-dev , is this the correct package? |
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| 00:41.32 | Aldebaran | I've never done that, is it different from using the deb package |
| 00:41.39 | daft | boldii: I think he wants the one with debian patches |
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| 00:41.51 | Aldebaran | yes debian patches, I think I want those |
| 00:41.54 | StyXman | hi all |
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| 00:42.11 | StyXman | I'm trying to make exim4 auth w/ its smarthost to no avail |
| 00:42.21 | vlad|deb-newb | could someone assist me in setting up cups, I tried the web interface and it is not working correctly. |
| 00:42.30 | StyXman | all I get in the logs is |
| 00:42.36 | Bedad | hmm well didn't work |
| 00:42.43 | StyXman | 2005-01-04 21:38:45 1ClzC7-0007ok-SQ ** jlenton@gmail.com <john@vialibre.org.ar> R=smarthost T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<jlenton@gmail.com>: host relay.uolsinectis.com.ar [216.244.216.5]: 554 <jlenton@gmail.com>: Recipient address rejected: Access denied |
| 00:42.44 | boldii | vlad|deb-newb, have you tried it with the documentation on www.linuxprinting.org |
| 00:43.22 | vlad|deb-newb | I did not know about that site,... |
| 00:43.22 | StyXman | I fiddled with the conf, and seet it up as in |
| 00:43.30 | daft | Aldebaran: might look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ of the pc you have 2.6.7 running on |
| 00:43.31 | StyXman | http://pastebin.ca/3750 |
| 00:43.38 | daft | the deb might be there |
| 00:43.50 | mikael_ | piingouin at bootime i have no information about the cam, i only see the driver is loaded |
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| 00:43.57 | Aldebaran | daft it's not there, I am scanning every backup I have for any kernel-source |
| 00:44.16 | boldii | vlad|deb-newb, then try it with this site, it is very useful, also when you want to find out if your printer will work with linux. |
| 00:44.31 | mikael_ | piingouin the pig method didn't work |
| 00:44.50 | daft | Aldebaran: try 2.6.8 |
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| 00:45.02 | Aldebaran | daft it won't burn cd's I started with 2.6.8 |
| 00:45.04 | boldii | daft, he wants to use k3b as non root user. |
| 00:45.52 | StyXman | any hints? |
| 00:45.52 | jbr | Aldebaran: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/k/kernel-source-2.6.7/ |
| 00:45.52 | Aldebaran | and supposedly there is a mem leak in 2.6.8 that makes it impossible to burn audio cds |
| 00:46.12 | daft | Aldebaran: and the source in /usr/src is also goner? |
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| 00:46.20 | Daath | I'm trying to help a dude, his box has loadavg of 50 50 50, but no CPU-load, no IO... Lots of non-responsive, non-killable apache processes - What could be wrong? And how to mend? |
| 00:46.42 | StyXman | Daath: fisrt, stop apache |
| 00:46.53 | Aldebaran | daft no I think it's there but I don't know how to make it back into a deb package and it will be hard to move the tree as it is |
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| 00:47.06 | Daath | StyXman, done, no effect :P |
| 00:47.11 | sophacles | Does anyone know how (if possible) to have gnome send a window from screen to another screen in multi-headed setup? |
| 00:47.17 | Daath | StyXman, can't be kill -9'd either |
| 00:47.23 | daft | Aldebaran: lisen to jbr he found it |
| 00:47.24 | Guerin | Daath: if you kill the parent, the children will die also. |
| 00:47.50 | daft | o rm |
| 00:47.52 | Aldebaran | yes I am there trying to figure out how to get it, can I put that link in apt/sources.list? |
| 00:48.11 | Daath | Guerin, Hmm I'll look for an apache proc that is owned by root ;) |
| 00:48.17 | daft | Aldebaran: download the deb if you found it dpkg -i thadeb |
| 00:48.33 | Guerin | Daath: there's an option to ps which shows PPID -- maybe e? |
| 00:48.48 | StyXman | Daath: ps faux |
| 00:48.52 | Aldebaran | there are no debs just packages.gz and release |
| 00:48.55 | Daath | aaah thanks just a sec |
| 00:48.55 | jbr | Aldebaran: you can use snapshot.debian.org as an apt source (don't remember the details) |
| 00:49.08 | StyXman | you'll see a nice tree |
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| 00:49.17 | daft | jbr: the dir is deb less |
| 00:49.18 | Aldebaran | jbr thank you I will search for that and also try to download it via web page if I can |
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| 00:50.43 | mikael_ | piingouin thanx for help i'll try to figure it out |
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| 00:51.11 | Aldebaran | jbr I don't think it's in there |
| 00:51.26 | Guerin | Aldebaran: look harder |
| 00:51.40 | Guerin | Aldebaran: it contains EVERY debian package from main. |
| 00:51.48 | Guerin | Aldebaran: multiple versions of |
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| 00:52.37 | CSWookie | Isd there a program that I can use to check if my mail spool has new mail? |
| 00:52.45 | arava | Need help regarding setting up 2.4 kernel |
| 00:52.52 | arava | Can ne body help |
| 00:52.57 | arava | ?? |
| 00:53.18 | CSWookie | arava: Just use a vanilla kernel. |
| 00:53.26 | CSWookie | arava: Should be able to apt-get it. |
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| 00:53.29 | daft | Aldebaran: are you using a module that isnt in 2.6.7+ anymore? |
| 00:53.46 | Aldebaran | Guerin there are no debs in there and no sources that I can see only Release and sources.gz which is just a list of debs but no debs |
| 00:53.46 | Daath | StyXman, ps faux says DN in front of apache, doesn't look like any of them has a parent ;) |
| 00:53.49 | arava | I have a patch to be applied to 2.4.22 kernel |
| 00:53.54 | Aldebaran | daft no, I can remake my modules |
| 00:53.57 | jbr | Aldebaran: try wgetting http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2004/08/07/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.7/kernel-source-2.6.7_2.6.7-4_all.deb |
| 00:53.57 | arava | which i did and compiled it the deb way |
| 00:54.01 | StyXman | Daath: ! |
| 00:54.17 | arava | but it gives me a Kernel Panic |
| 00:54.24 | arava | where am i going wrong ? |
| 00:54.48 | daft | arava: what patch? |
| 00:55.01 | arava | Fast TCP |
| 00:55.09 | Guerin | Aldebaran: you're clearly unable to read the instructions on how to use s.d.n |
| 00:55.31 | dancek | arava: did you config the kernel by hand? |
| 00:55.42 | arava | i used the config from 2.4.27 |
| 00:55.44 | giupy | OT wich for you the best 17" notebook quality/price ? |
| 00:56.06 | arava | that came with Sarge |
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| 00:56.15 | dancek | arava: did the patch add any config options? |
| 00:56.17 | Daath | StyXman, eeerh ok, uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) the man page of ps says :\ |
| 00:56.27 | arava | Nope |
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| 00:56.32 | CSWookie | arava: Did you remember to build the modules for the root drive into the kernel? I remmebr once I compiled IDE drives as a module, and that caused problems... |
| 00:56.34 | arava | basically it modified TCP |
| 00:56.43 | boldii | night |
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| 00:56.53 | arava | u mean the IDE .. |
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| 00:57.16 | arava | i used the config from Debian right .. so i think that shd wrk |
| 00:57.20 | guestish | hello |
| 00:57.22 | Aldebaran | jbr !! I'm getting it, it's on it's way thank you very much, I was so discouraged that debian broke my debian, thank you |
| 00:57.28 | dancek | yeah, that should... |
| 00:57.35 | CSWookie | arava: Once I compiled IDE support as a module, not as being built into the kernel, when my root system was on an IDE drive. And there was badness. |
| 00:57.43 | StyXman | Daath: may hd is borked, or accessin a nos-rsponding nfs server? |
| 00:57.45 | CSWookie | Probably. |
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| 00:57.59 | Guerin | Daath: you need to bring up the filesystem it's trying to access, I expect |
| 00:57.59 | pjjw | aldebaran: i missed it, why is >2.6.7 not acceptable? |
| 00:58.21 | Aldebaran | users can't burn cds on ide cd burners nor can even root burn audio cds |
| 00:58.31 | arava | i didngt change ne config |
| 00:58.59 | daft | I burn hapely every thing but i have scsi |
| 00:59.01 | Aldebaran | pjjw http://www.k3b.org/ under news if this is ever fixed I will switch up to a newer kernel |
| 00:59.06 | pjjw | weird |
| 00:59.10 | Daath | Guerin & StyXman, yeah I thought it was NFS, but I'm not sure... All filesystems are mountet... |
| 00:59.13 | pjjw | i am happily using 2.6.9 on amd64 |
| 00:59.18 | pjjw | and using k3b just fine and dandy.. |
| 00:59.19 | pjjw | weird |
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| 00:59.43 | arava | It says .. cramfs: wrong magic |
| 00:59.54 | arava | where am i going wrong ?? |
| 00:59.59 | Aldebaran | pjjw are you using k3b as root or as a user? |
| 01:00.11 | StyXman | Daath: mb the nfs server is down/borked/whatecer |
| 01:00.18 | pipeline | Aldebaran: Actually, there's interesting permissions problems when you use 2.6.9 and above |
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| 01:00.26 | daft | Aldebaran: why not burn as root? |
| 01:00.33 | StyXman | Daath: remember nfs does not aut unomunt when server fails |
| 01:00.46 | Daath | StyXman, How can we make sure that it IS an NFS server? :) |
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| 01:01.00 | derel1ct | how do i check out my processor with debian? |
| 01:01.01 | Aldebaran | because my wife and kids use the burner |
| 01:01.09 | Aldebaran | daft because my wife and kids use the burner |
| 01:01.30 | daft | Aldebaran: good anser |
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| 01:01.33 | directhex | install k3b from sid, which works as non-root on 2.6.8/9 |
| 01:01.43 | bloom | Aldebaran: I just joined. what is it you're trying to do? |
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| 01:02.03 | daft | Aldebaran: but you still have the source in /usr/src ? of the other pc? |
| 01:02.19 | Daath | I mean the disks isn't named /dev/hda1 or like that, they're called stuff like: /dev/cciss/c0d0p2 |
| 01:02.20 | Aldebaran | bloom thanks but jbr helped me, but in general as far as I know user can't burn cds under kernels > 2.6.7 |
| 01:02.33 | pipeline | So install 2.6.7...? |
| 01:02.34 | Aldebaran | daft jbr told me how to get the .deb for the kernel-source-2.6.7 |
| 01:02.45 | daft | o dinnt saw that |
| 01:02.51 | Guerin | Aldebaran: why not just get the kernel-image? |
| 01:03.00 | Aldebaran | daft I've GOT it and I am burning it to several cds and putting one in a safe deposit box |
| 01:03.07 | bloom | Aldebaran: you can if you recompile cdrtools, with a patch |
| 01:03.09 | Guerin | Aldebaran: wtf |
| 01:03.10 | Aldebaran | Guerin how make xconfig with a kernel-image? |
| 01:03.18 | daft | Aldebaran: happy compiling then |
| 01:03.19 | bloom | Aldebaran: and if you give me a second, I'll point you to the patch |
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| 01:03.20 | Guerin | !make xconfig |
| 01:03.20 | dpkg | No, don't. Don't make gconfig either. Make menuconfig like a sane person. Please, think of the penguins. |
| 01:03.29 | pipeline | Aldebaran: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.7-i386/kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7-smp_2.6.7-2_i386.deb |
| 01:03.35 | Aldebaran | bloom I'll give you more than a second |
| 01:03.36 | Guerin | Aldebaran: why do you need to make xconfig? |
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| 01:04.04 | giupy | how can i solve this? "slamr: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module" i recive this when i try modprobe slamr module,i have ever used it with compiled 2.6.9 kernel but after i have booted with 2.4.27 kernel and than rebooted with 2.6.9 i have recived that msg |
| 01:04.34 | derel1ct | to install nvidia drivers do i have to build new kernel first then run the installer or run the installer then rebuild new kernel ? |
| 01:04.40 | Daath | /dev/cciss/c0d0p2 <- is that some sort of compaq SCSI-RAID? |
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| 01:04.57 | Aldebaran | Guerin btw I have nvida card on this machine |
| 01:05.03 | vlad|deb-newb | I think it is having trouble getting through the jetdirect print server.... |
| 01:05.04 | Guerin | Aldebaran: so? |
| 01:05.33 | vlad|deb-newb | is there a printer config file I can edit manually? |
| 01:05.35 | daft | derel1ct: get the nvidia source read the README with some thing like make-kpkg modules-image |
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| 01:05.43 | dob | i have built the kernel module for ipp2p but when i copy ipt_ipp2p.o to /lib/modules/2.4.28/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ after a depmod -a i get "Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.28/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_ipp2p.o" , how can i resolve this? |
| 01:05.55 | directhex | derel1ct, don't run the installer, whatever you do |
| 01:06.15 | StyXman | Daath: hmm, try ls'ins al the mount points |
| 01:06.27 | StyXman | er, ls'ing |
| 01:06.39 | directhex | derel1ct, 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:06.54 | bloom | Aldebaran: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi/patch?bug=267273&msg=20&att=1 |
| 01:06.59 | cafuego | Daath: No, they're /dev/ida/c0* afaik |
| 01:07.21 | derel1ct | directhex: 2.6.10 |
| 01:07.31 | bloom | Aldebaran: if you recompile cdrecord with that patch then you can burn CDs as non-root if cdrecord is suid root. |
| 01:07.46 | w00dst0ck | what is better to use, nvidia-glx package or the nvidia installer? |
| 01:07.49 | derel1ct | directhex: why not use nvidia's installer? |
| 01:07.55 | directhex | derel1ct, oh. you compiled the 2.6.10 yourself? |
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| 01:08.04 | Aldebaran | bloom thank you very much I will try that |
| 01:08.14 | cafuego | Daath: Hmmm no, you're right. /dev/cciss/* is some proliant server thing |
| 01:08.15 | directhex | derel1ct, because it starts overwriting files in places handled by apt, which can cause breakage on any package upgrades |
| 01:08.18 | daft | derel1ct: read the README.debian in nvidia-kernel-source |
| 01:08.32 | daft | METHOD #2 |
| 01:08.38 | Daath | cafuego, ok thx :) |
| 01:08.49 | w00dst0ck | so its best to stick with the .deb? |
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| 01:08.54 | derel1ct | daft: url? |
| 01:08.57 | cafuego | Daath: Probably in 2 weeks time I can help you out, by then I'll have uypgraded an old Proliant to a new one. |
| 01:08.58 | SiliconViper | Debian. 400MB Drive, 32MB RAM. How realistic is this? |
| 01:09.08 | cafuego | SiliconViper: Will work fine. |
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| 01:09.10 | daft | try apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 01:09.11 | Daath | cafuego, lol :) |
| 01:09.16 | SiliconViper | cafuego, Sarge NetInstall? |
| 01:09.17 | cafuego | SiliconViper: Just don't try to run KDE or Gnome. |
| 01:09.21 | cafuego | SiliconViper: yah |
| 01:09.23 | SiliconViper | Well, duh. ^_^ |
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| 01:09.28 | derel1ct | daft: will that automagically install me the nvidia drivers? |
| 01:09.39 | daft | no you need to compile it as a module |
| 01:09.40 | SiliconViper | >_< KDE on that? *shudders* |
| 01:09.41 | cafuego | SiliconViper: Woody would be preferable; with XF3.3.6 (uses less ram) |
| 01:09.48 | SiliconViper | Nah, no X. |
| 01:09.51 | SiliconViper | SSH only. |
| 01:09.54 | bloom | !cdrecord patch is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi/patch?bug=267273&msg=20&att=1 -- if you recompile cdrecord with that patch then you can burn CDs as non-root if cdrecord is suid root. See bug #267237. |
| 01:09.54 | dpkg | okay, bloom |
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| 01:09.55 | derel1ct | daft: how? |
| 01:09.59 | cafuego | SiliconViper: Oh, you'll be FINE then. |
| 01:10.04 | rootcanal | SV - you've got plenty of RAM then |
| 01:10.09 | w00dst0ck | Would you say the majority or debian users use Gnome? |
| 01:10.10 | pipeline | SiliconViper: You're still going to want some swap. |
| 01:10.12 | directhex | derel1ct, no, it won't. answer the question, did you compile that kernel yourself? |
| 01:10.15 | daft | derel1ct: read the manual it is like a cookbook |
| 01:10.18 | SiliconViper | It's on an Athlon 1.4GHz, the SSH shouldn't be a problem. |
| 01:10.22 | pipeline | w00dst0ck: I imagine the majority of users use nothing at all. |
| 01:10.23 | directhex | !nvidia howto |
| 01:10.24 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia-howto is See http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for simple instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers on Debian "The Debian Way". at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html or http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 01:10.40 | w00dst0ck | pipline: really? |
| 01:10.45 | cafuego | SiliconViper: How the hell did you manage 32Mb on that? :-) |
| 01:10.47 | derel1ct | directhex: i'm compiling it now |
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| 01:10.53 | pipeline | w00dst0ck: Linux isn't exactly popular as a desktop OS. |
| 01:10.53 | w00dst0ck | pipline: you mean just a wm and no de? |
| 01:10.53 | SiliconViper | A 32MB SDRAM stick. |
| 01:10.59 | SiliconViper | Found it in a box. |
| 01:11.00 | daft | directhex: why get a manual if the readme is all you need? |
| 01:11.02 | pipeline | w00dst0ck: I mean no monitor and no keyboard. |
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| 01:11.22 | doub | pipeline: it would be quite troublesome to have a system with nothing at all |
| 01:11.23 | w00dst0ck | pipline: I use it as a desktop |
| 01:11.28 | romulo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.28 | romulo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.31 | w00dst0ck | pipline: Never used debian before really. |
| 01:11.35 | cafuego | Actually, what are the chances of a Celeron 866 box needing RDRAM? |
| 01:11.44 | azreal | pipeline: how would one function with no monitor? |
| 01:11.52 | derel1ct | directhex: does the simple instructions method break packages ? |
| 01:11.55 | directhex | romulo, this is hardly the place to ask for help with proprietary software. ask transgaming support |
| 01:11.56 | daft | pipeline: linux is used for every kind of device from server to desktop from xbox to ipod |
| 01:11.56 | doub | pipeline: but that gives you less trouble, at least |
| 01:11.56 | w00dst0ck | pipline: I use slackware,archlinux and played with gentoo (eeeww compile times) |
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| 01:12.05 | directhex | derel1ct, using nvidia-installer does, yes |
| 01:12.23 | pipeline | daft: never-the-less, it's most popular on headless freaking servers. |
| 01:12.27 | SiliconViper | Scavenged the RAM from an old box. It seems to work fine, just seeing if it can be done. |
| 01:12.32 | directhex | i wish people wouldn't push xbox linux, at least playstation 2 linux is an official sony branded product |
| 01:12.34 | pipeline | daft: to claim otherwise is denial. |
| 01:12.48 | cafuego | azreal: I have a whole bunch of debian boxes with no screens (or mice, or keyboards) |
| 01:12.55 | SiliconViper | So far, minimal system is installed. Gonna install the base now. |
| 01:12.59 | cafuego | azreal: Why bother if they'll never get used? |
| 01:13.10 | daft | pipeline: I happely run linux as desktop |
| 01:13.15 | pipeline | directhex: The difference being that xbox linux is useful, open source, and runs on normal hardware. Playstation 2 linux is closed source, extremely iffy due to compiler issues, and limited to Sony closed drivers + libraries. |
| 01:13.23 | pipeline | daft: As do I, but we are not the average case. |
| 01:13.29 | w00dst0ck | exactly, linux as a desktop is quite wonderful if you ask me |
| 01:13.34 | w00dst0ck | but then agian no one was :) |
| 01:13.38 | SiliconViper | pipeline, I'm running Linux on half a dozen Desktop boxen around here. |
| 01:14.03 | bloom | pipeline: how can Playstation 2 linux be closed source? |
| 01:14.03 | derel1ct | directhex: which of the url dpkg bot gave me should i follow |
| 01:14.03 | SiliconViper | And on a handful of servers as well. |
| 01:14.03 | w00dst0ck | SiliconViper, all debian ? |
| 01:14.12 | SiliconViper | w00dst0ck, Yeppers. |
| 01:14.15 | w00dst0ck | nice |
| 01:14.23 | azreal | well, i dont live in the 60's where my computer runs on a reel to reel, makeing it seem like it is "lame" or something to have a desktop is stupid |
| 01:14.28 | Guerin | he's clearly talking about the userspace tools |
| 01:14.31 | directhex | derel1ct, the second one. |
| 01:14.33 | pipeline | bloom: It relies upon binary modules for drivers. |
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| 01:14.47 | Guerin | oh, hardware drivers in kernel |
| 01:14.48 | w00dst0ck | SiliconViper, I think I'll install debian on my system later tonight |
| 01:14.49 | Guerin | ugly |
| 01:14.51 | cafuego | azreal: No it's not. it's only stupid to have a desktop on a system that doesn't NEED one. |
| 01:14.56 | pipeline | bloom: I believe it's also limited to a 2.2, Sony-provided kernel. |
| 01:14.59 | directhex | derel1ct, though you can't install nvidia drivers on 2.6.10 without patching |
| 01:15.04 | azreal | cafuego: agreed |
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| 01:15.08 | davis | what should my sources look like for "main contrib non-free"? |
| 01:15.09 | pipeline | bloom: In addition, you need special add-on hardware. The regular PS2 hard drive will not run linux. |
| 01:15.14 | SiliconViper | w00dst0ck, Have fun. It's a nice way to live. |
| 01:15.15 | directhex | pipeline, there's a replacement, open source Woody for ps2. black rhino iirc |
| 01:15.18 | w00dst0ck | SiliconViper, Is it decent in performance? |
| 01:15.20 | SiliconViper | Woody or Sarge? |
| 01:15.29 | SiliconViper | w00dst0ck, it performs beautifully. |
| 01:15.37 | davis | In sarge |
| 01:15.38 | w00dst0ck | Testing, so sarge, i think |
| 01:15.43 | davis | oh |
| 01:15.43 | directhex | http://blackrhino.xrhino.com/main.php?page=home |
| 01:15.47 | bloom | pipeline: OK. the way you said it the first time it sounded like they were breaking the GPL |
| 01:15.52 | SiliconViper | I ran Gentoo for a while, to compare it. My Sarge install runs smoother, and in less RAM. |
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| 01:15.54 | derel1ct | directhex: can i just do what ~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt says |
| 01:15.54 | CSWookie | SiliconViper: SID! |
| 01:15.58 | derel1ct | with 2.6.10 |
| 01:15.59 | bloom | pipeline: which is why I asked for clarification |
| 01:16.01 | SiliconViper | CSWookie, sure, why not? |
| 01:16.06 | SiliconViper | I'm running Sid on this box. |
| 01:16.06 | w00dst0ck | SiliconViper, what file system do you use? Ext 3 or Reiserfs? |
| 01:16.11 | SiliconViper | ext3. |
| 01:16.19 | CSWookie | SiliconViper: Because gmailfs is broken on it. That would be my only problem with it. |
| 01:16.26 | walnuck | is the kdelibs package broken for anybody? |
| 01:16.27 | vlad|deb-newb | still not woring |
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| 01:16.38 | SiliconViper | ReiserFS is still a bit sketchy for my tastes. |
| 01:16.45 | daft | hail to sid the destroyer of toys |
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| 01:16.52 | pipeline | directhex: You have to buy and use the Sony linux just to get the still-PS2-specific distribution on there. |
| 01:17.04 | CSWookie | SiliconViper: I and I so very badly want ed to put a cvs repository of my home directory on a GmailFS account. |
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| 01:17.22 | distempr | Don't flame me, but I have a "why" question. <rant>What do all these "debian-alike" distros have to offer that debian doesn't in the first place? I mean, corel, xandros, ubuntu, knoppix even the old stampede... do these distros give back to debian? I'm just curious.. ie.. why don't they just help debian in the first place? </rant> Well, actually feel free to flame me ;) |
| 01:17.37 | directhex | derel1ct, no. first of all, that assumes you use a debian kernel, not a hand compiled kernel. secondly, nvidia's driver doesn't work on 2.6.10 |
| 01:17.51 | guestish | ;) |
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| 01:18.10 | directhex | distempr, discover is based on a package from mandrake, if that counts |
| 01:18.11 | guestish | directhex: oh? the kernel devs broke the kernel again? ;) |
| 01:18.12 | pipeline | distempr: You tell me. We're here to talk about Debian. I don't think any of the debian workalikes have anything to offer. |
| 01:18.19 | directhex | guestish, of course |
| 01:18.22 | daft | distempr: what debian version are you comparing it width |
| 01:18.22 | derel1ct | directhex: which kernel should i use then |
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| 01:18.26 | viper2k | ok .. I have this vpn server behing a NAT ... which ports do I need to forward ? |
| 01:18.33 | directhex | derel1ct, something you can apt-get. |
| 01:18.34 | SiliconViper | distempr, usually it is issues with the DFSG. |
| 01:18.35 | distempr | guestish: no my love?!?!?!111 |
| 01:18.46 | guestish | !lart disasm |
| 01:18.49 | guestish | !lart distempr |
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| 01:18.50 | distempr | directhex: but most people "hate" discover? |
| 01:18.56 | guestish | stupid tab complete... |
| 01:19.06 | SiliconViper | Sometimes, it is people who feel (sometimes rightly so), that they can do it better. |
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| 01:19.17 | directhex | distempr, 'most people' being the rather vocal long-time sysadmins. personally i'd be lost without it |
| 01:19.21 | SiliconViper | Other times, it is people who want a more 'trimmed' package tree. |
| 01:19.23 | distempr | pipeline: I know, I just... get pissed that all these resources go elsewhere.. and cause more problems than good. |
| 01:19.33 | guestish | !smite distempr |
| 01:19.36 | distempr | daft: just in general... debian vs the wannabees... |
| 01:19.44 | guestish | distempr: =P |
| 01:19.48 | pipeline | distempr: What resources? |
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| 01:19.56 | daft | distempr: what debian version potato woody sarge sid? |
| 01:20.02 | distempr | SiliconViper: I see. Good point. |
| 01:20.17 | distempr | guestish: <3's me :) |
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| 01:20.34 | distempr | pipeline: developers, intellect, "people" |
| 01:20.41 | guestish | oh joy... |
| 01:20.43 | abrotman | why does #debian attract all the drunks |
| 01:20.58 | pipeline | distempr: I don't think we're missing anything, bud. |
| 01:21.02 | guestish | abrotman: oh i dont know...it seems to repell quite a few people cause of it |
| 01:21.08 | anihilator | hey, i could use some help changing my resolution to 1024X768 |
| 01:21.24 | distempr | daft: sid I'd say, honestly everyone knows that woody's meant for the server market atm, it's old technology that the other distros have moved forward from. |
| 01:21.27 | pipeline | distempr: You will note that in that long list of debian knock-offs, only one is successful. And it's brand new. Debian has outlasted the others. |
| 01:21.32 | distempr | pipeline: true. |
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| 01:21.34 | abrotman | guestish: well .. i guess it's better than child rapists |
| 01:21.52 | guestish | abrotman: well i dont know, at least child rapists can be banned |
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| 01:22.05 | distempr | pipeline: heh you're right, and I know. But... Has debian ever benefited? From say... Ubuntu? |
| 01:22.22 | distempr | pipeline: rather.. say knoppix. |
| 01:22.23 | pipeline | distempr: It's that old saw: "This is true, madame. But tomorrow, I will be sober. And you will still be ugly." |
| 01:22.32 | daft | distempr: maby they have it from a not official deb? |
| 01:22.35 | distempr | pipeline: hahah. |
| 01:22.42 | abrotman | guestish: so can drunks .. and they won't know |
| 01:22.42 | Guerin | distempr: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/ubuntu_braindump-2004-10-21-00-43.html |
| 01:22.50 | guestish | abrotman: hah |
| 01:22.57 | Guerin | distempr: the answer is yes ... and no. |
| 01:23.45 | rootcanal | I've worked out the debian/drunk connection! |
| 01:23.54 | distempr | Guerin: reading... |
| 01:24.02 | guestish | rootcanal: was it as painful dealing with a root canal? |
| 01:24.08 | rootcanal | It's an anagram - Cry "Debian" = Brandy + Ice |
| 01:24.11 | abrotman | Guerin: who is OtherJoey? |
| 01:24.13 | vlad|deb-newb | what is a good mail client |
| 01:24.17 | guestish | as painful as* |
| 01:24.20 | Guerin | abrotman: another dd |
| 01:24.21 | SiliconViper | distempr, I agree, to an extent. But are you only talking? Or are you doing something about it? |
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| 01:24.27 | MrEntropy | yo |
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| 01:24.29 | Guerin | abrotman: whose name is something like Martin |
| 01:24.35 | distempr | Sorry to rant guys, it just hit me that having different distros based off of others just causes more confusion, and that's solely my opinion. |
| 01:24.36 | elnovato | vlad|deb-newb: thunderbird does the blowjob |
| 01:24.40 | anihilator | hey, i could use some help changing my resolution to 1024X768. Tried editing the XF86Config-4 file, didn't work. I don't know if I'm missing something or what |
| 01:24.42 | Guerin | Martin Schulze, I think |
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| 01:24.55 | abrotman | Guerin: i thought he was see shy jo |
| 01:24.57 | daft | Well a glass of wiskey and im off to bed.. if im out what bottle i gona take |
| 01:25.00 | directhex | anihilator, probably have incorrect refresh rates set |
| 01:25.00 | elnovato | anihilator: get a decent video card |
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| 01:25.05 | abrotman | but i guess not |
| 01:25.08 | MrEntropy | is there any place i can get gcc 3.3 ||> package for stable? |
| 01:25.18 | Guerin | abrotman: no, that's the joey who wrote this piece - Joey Hess, who's in charge of d-i |
| 01:25.19 | vlad|deb-newb | good or bad? |
| 01:25.24 | pipeline | MrEntropy: You can try backports.org, but you should consider upgrading. |
| 01:25.25 | SiliconViper | distempr, I mean, that's why I'm working on making a collection of meta-packages. Instead of using Ubuntu, you could install Debian, and apt-get install meta-ubuntu. Or whatever your distro-of-choice is. |
| 01:25.26 | directhex | !tell MrEntropy about backports |
| 01:25.27 | distempr | SiliconViper: I'm only talking, I have no clue what to do about it. I contribute what I can, but I still consider myself too much a noob atm. But overall, there's a place for Fedora/RH, and Debian... is there room for the others? |
| 01:25.31 | Gumby` | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.40 | abrotman | Guerin: oh wait .. i just realized that joey hess used to do dwn .. and is therefore see shy jo |
| 01:25.47 | vlad|deb-newb | what about sylphead |
| 01:25.47 | abrotman | MrEntropy: hopefully not |
| 01:25.49 | viper2k | is it usual that when I make a router box with iptables everyone in the network HAS access to the internet accept the router box itself ? |
| 01:25.52 | distempr | SiliconViper: why would you _want_ to do that? |
| 01:25.53 | MrEntropy | ok, i'll check it out, thankyou |
| 01:26.03 | SiliconViper | distempr, every distro exists for a reason. It scratches some developer's personal itch. All distros have a place. |
| 01:26.05 | anihilator | elnovato, i'm using a geforce II 3d prophet mx, it's old but not that bad |
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| 01:26.17 | anihilator | directhex, how do i change those? |
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