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| 00:00.38 | StereoSkit | i did this `/etc/init.d/mysql start` |
| 00:00.41 | jasonf | nono31_: most cable modems require you to power cycle them when changing OSes |
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| 00:00.53 | mentor | nono31: I should imagine that dhcp client has some invocation that will release the lease, if it isn't doing so. |
| 00:00.53 | StereoSkit | does it not starts mysql daemon |
| 00:01.17 | nothos | did you install all the mysql packages? |
| 00:01.19 | mentor | StereoSkit: Well, that depends on whether it has succeeded or not. |
| 00:01.30 | jcarr_ | omg... |
| 00:01.32 | nono31_ | sussudio: U DUMB. ME ASKING HOW FREE LEASE IN LINUX.. NOT WINDOWS... I know how to do it in windows... |
| 00:01.40 | jcarr_ | Detective Briscoe passed away :( |
| 00:01.42 | jasonf | !u |
| 00:01.43 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you'. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 00:01.45 | jasonf | !annoy nono31_ |
| 00:01.46 | dpkg | nono31_: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 00:01.47 | StereoSkit | is there an alternative command i can run to start that service, mentor ? |
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| 00:02.04 | simonrvn | nono31_: read what jasonf told you |
| 00:02.16 | sgeigerb` | Would it be a good idea to archive some of my files as cloop ISO files? Although I haven't actually added cloop support to any of my systems, I imagine it isn't hard to do. Is this a good long-term storage format? or is there some better format that would allow me to compress large numbers of files into a single file that could be mounted in a filesystem so I could view the contents of the files inside? |
| 00:02.22 | jcarr_ | what's a "free lease in linux"> |
| 00:02.23 | jcarr_ | ? |
| 00:02.23 | mentor | StereoSkit: Umm, no that's the right command; it may be that you need to check your logs and configure mysqld correctly. |
| 00:02.37 | jcarr_ | oh |
| 00:02.45 | jcarr_ | nono31_, man dhclient |
| 00:02.46 | nono31_ | jasonf: thx... but my question is: "ipconfig /release" does the trick... and i remember that someone said about how to do the same in linux but I forgot... |
| 00:02.48 | jcarr_ | also, man ifconfig |
| 00:02.56 | jcarr_ | or man ifdown |
| 00:02.58 | jcarr_ | man ifup |
| 00:03.03 | jcarr_ | and man route |
| 00:03.05 | sgeigerb` | nono31_: as root: ifdown --all; ifup --all |
| 00:03.09 | simonrvn | kill the dhcp client |
| 00:03.15 | mentor | nono31_: Yes, and we're telling you to look at the documentation for dhcp client :) |
| 00:03.15 | jcarr_ | heheheh |
| 00:03.15 | StereoSkit | mentor, i have just installed mysql to start another service... |
| 00:03.17 | jasonf | nono31_: man interfaces, man ifup, man ifdown, man dhcpclient, man ifconfig |
| 00:03.30 | mentor | simonm: Will that send a DHCPRELEASE? |
| 00:03.48 | jethro | jcarr_: how bout the sshd issue? |
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| 00:03.51 | mentor | StereoSkit: Yes, but you still may need to configure it... |
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| 00:04.19 | StereoSkit | yes, i dont know where to start, but tnx, ill dive into it |
| 00:04.23 | nothos | nono31 dude you gotta stop thinking like windows |
| 00:04.27 | simonrvn | mentor: probably not. though i bet there's a way to do it with what's there. s/he just needs to read the docs =) |
| 00:04.39 | mentor | simonm: Yes. |
| 00:04.40 | jcarr_ | jethro, yeah, it was easy |
| 00:04.43 | jethro | ok |
| 00:04.46 | simonrvn | mentor: grr |
| 00:04.47 | jcarr_ | thanks... I was being dumb... |
| 00:04.51 | jethro | heh |
| 00:04.56 | mentor | StereoSkit: Well, check your system logs for mysqld messages that give an instant obvious answer/ |
| 00:05.00 | jcarr_ | I should have just looked at sshd_config and scanned all the way to the bottom ;) |
| 00:05.05 | mentor | simonrvn: woof. |
| 00:05.07 | jethro | indeed |
| 00:05.19 | sussudio | !fix simonrvn |
| 00:05.25 | jcarr_ | I enabled passwordauth, but neglected to disabled public key auth |
| 00:05.48 | jethro | if you have both it will let you use password auth |
| 00:05.52 | jdhutchin1 | why would you disable public key auth? |
| 00:06.04 | nothos | StereoSkit are you sure you have the mysql server package installed |
| 00:06.13 | jethro | jdhutchin1: it's better to disable it if you plan to use password authentication |
| 00:06.17 | jethro | at least imho |
| 00:06.24 | nothos | and not just the admin package |
| 00:06.25 | jdhutchin1 | jethro, any reason why? |
| 00:06.31 | nono31_ | nothos: I am thinking like windows? I simply wants to knows how to release the lease that my network card get from my internet provider... (cable modem connected to my network card)... where is the windows logic? |
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| 00:06.35 | mentor | nothos: Does the /etc/init.d/mysqld file come in the mysqld package? |
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| 00:06.41 | _Dom_ | hey all |
| 00:06.44 | jethro | jdhutchin1: let's say I guess a passsword, backdoor the account with a pubkey |
| 00:06.50 | jethro | if password get changed I still have access |
| 00:06.55 | StereoSkit | Cancerbero:/var/log# whereis mysql |
| 00:06.56 | StereoSkit | mysql: /usr/bin/mysql /etc/mysql /usr/share/mysql /usr/share/man/man1/mysql.1.gz |
| 00:07.05 | jdhutchin1 | jethro, hadn't thought of that |
| 00:07.19 | brian_ | i've never done this type of thing in debian yet; how can i rebuild my kernel with specific options set? i have to enable wireless and crypto stuff to try to get my wireless working. |
| 00:07.23 | jethro | jdhutchin1: could also sniff/SE/whatever to get the credentials and backdoor the account |
| 00:07.32 | jethro | jdhutchin1: but of course I d recommend using pubkey auth only |
| 00:08.00 | mentor | !tell brian_ about kp |
| 00:08.21 | nothos | nono31 you don't have to release the lease as such just drop the interface |
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| 00:08.40 | StereoSkit | nothos, i guess it is installed... ill try 2 look 4 the logs |
| 00:08.51 | nothos | nono31 when you bring it back up it'll either get a new lease or a static dependig how the interface was configured |
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| 00:09.18 | jcarr_ | good god.. I love it when some 15 year old sends me an email offering me a business "oportunity" |
| 00:09.45 | _Dom_ | jcarr ill send you a buisness scam if you will take me up? |
| 00:09.45 | nothos | and it shouldn't affect your connectivity in windows at any rate, the modems dhcp server should give both linux and windows the same ip based on the mac address |
| 00:09.51 | jcarr_ | I think they misunderstand that I charge quite a high rate for freelance coding work :P |
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| 00:10.14 | mentor | hehe |
| 00:10.26 | jcarr_ | _Dom_, be sure to fill it with buzz words like "u r" and such, and misspell more than I did when I was 15 |
| 00:10.32 | _Dom_ | lol |
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| 00:10.49 | jcarr_ | and offer me an amazing $50 for what is essentially a $1200 project at my rate :P |
| 00:10.49 | Dave | If I recompile php will it keep the same directories already setup or will it use the default directories? |
| 00:10.58 | jcarr_ | Dave, default |
| 00:11.19 | mentor | StereoSkit: Is 'mysql' the client or the server? |
| 00:11.24 | jcarr_ | Dave, I just swapped the library in though |
| 00:11.27 | StereoSkit | both |
| 00:11.41 | _Dom_ | u r nt a n00b we wll py u $10 2 cde our cite.. in our 0wn vrsion of php |
| 00:11.42 | benjamindees | is there a run-from-cd distro that is based on Woody ? |
| 00:11.43 | jcarr_ | I have php4 that came with debian and php5 that I compiled, and switch them as needed |
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| 00:11.55 | StereoSkit | i need to set my pc as server but i installed the client also |
| 00:12.01 | StereoSkit | mentor, |
| 00:12.02 | jcarr_ | _Dom_, close enough ;) |
| 00:12.04 | Stats | hi |
| 00:12.14 | Dave | I need gd support and even though the extension is enambled it doesn't recognize it |
| 00:12.29 | _Dom_ | anyone looked at linux-live.org (and im not looking for a knoppix question) |
| 00:12.33 | StereoSkit | has anybody used `ser` for SIP comunnications (VoIP)? |
| 00:12.50 | _Dom_ | i am looking to make debian into a live cd but completly different to knoppix |
| 00:12.52 | jethro | !anyone |
| 00:12.52 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 00:12.55 | nono31_ | nothos: http://www.google.com.br/search?q=cache:c5THF_pTIx8J:www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D48181+release+cable+modem+ipconfig+ifconfig&hl=pt-BR ring some bell about what I want to do? and that my questions is not lonely on the net... |
| 00:13.02 | mentor | StereoSkit: The server and client are independent, one doens't necessarily mean the other. |
| 00:13.11 | jcarr_ | the other "biz opertunity" was something along the lines of "I am an xpert at SEO and very skilled, and have another c0der working wit me. We got a host, and would like anothe person to join up. We will make alot. Currently the two of us are pulling in $300 a month!" |
| 00:13.34 | mentor | jcarr: heh. |
| 00:13.55 | StereoSkit | mentor, yes, i just installed it lookign forward to learn some basic since i was going to learn the server stuff |
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| 00:14.20 | jcarr_ | hmmm.. .$100 a month? I make 6 times that a week :P |
| 00:14.20 | Stats | i'm travelling the world of forums and irc for help |
| 00:14.31 | Stats | I'm having a issue installing linux. When booting the first cd I get a error that ends with "Kernel Panic - not syncing -Attempted to kill the idle task!" |
| 00:14.38 | mentor | StereoSkit: My point is that you don't seem to have actually checked for the presence of the mysql daemon. |
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| 00:14.51 | _Dom_ | im looking to make debian into a live cd where it loads up x then loads my program... no kde no other programs |
| 00:14.57 | pmwilson | i need to boot into DOS to run a firmware update utility on an old graphics card..... any easy ways to do this with a disk image and LILO (how do it get/make a dos boot disk that contains the program and bios firmware as an image file that i can give to lilo) |
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| 00:15.09 | jcarr_ | _Dom_, sounds easy... |
| 00:15.27 | zeeble | heyas. anyone running Evolution 2.2 running? |
| 00:15.29 | StereoSkit | mentor. it is installed in /usr/sbin |
| 00:15.29 | _Dom_ | lol for you mr $100 6 times a week |
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| 00:15.39 | jcarr_ | xfce? or just the default crap X gui? |
| 00:15.50 | Stats | :-I am i sol with this kernal panic stuff |
| 00:16.02 | _Dom_ | the program needs x to run i think |
| 00:16.03 | mentor | StereoSkit: Good, then it hasn't been started correctly yet, probably. You can check to see if it's running with ps, and then you can check the logs. |
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| 00:16.08 | _Dom_ | i assumed it did |
| 00:16.32 | nothos | nono31 and if you read some of the posts "ifconfig eth0 down" is mentioned, as is killing off the dhcp client |
| 00:16.33 | Avantopia | anyone here know why alsa does not work under Sarge? I have the default 2.6.8 kernel built all as modules. |
| 00:16.45 | pmwilson | nothos: he/she left |
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| 00:17.04 | nothos | ah ok |
| 00:17.13 | jcarr_ | My computer science professor ran linux with the default X look/feel ... looked awful... |
| 00:17.25 | jcarr_ | that grey and black dotted background does thr trick |
| 00:17.26 | _Dom_ | this is the thing i dont want any x |
| 00:17.31 | nothos | jcarr some people like pain |
| 00:17.32 | _Dom_ | i just wanna load the program |
| 00:17.33 | StereoSkit | mentor, which command is the equivalent to `service` command in debian? |
| 00:17.43 | jcarr_ | _Dom_, what program is it? |
| 00:17.43 | benjamindees | you can change it to a plain black background |
| 00:17.46 | _Dom_ | no gui no other programs |
| 00:17.47 | mentor | StereoSkit: none. |
| 00:17.48 | brian_ | mentor: that readme file im supposed to read is 1065 lines long... why is recompiling a kernel so long in debian? :/ |
| 00:17.54 | jcarr_ | benjamindees, I think he was just lazy... |
| 00:18.01 | Stats | :-S thanks alot |
| 00:18.03 | nothos | it's like my mate who still uses cde on solaris, I love solaris and it's my favorite UNIX but be buggered looking at solaris |
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| 00:18.07 | nothos | KDE all the way |
| 00:18.08 | Avantopia | anyone here use ALSA? |
| 00:18.12 | zeeble | StereoSkit: look in /etc/init.d and man update-rc.d |
| 00:18.16 | abrotman | nothos: cde on solaris isn't that bad |
| 00:18.19 | Avantopia | I can't get alsa to work with Sarge. |
| 00:18.21 | mentor | brian_: Sorry for providing good documentation. |
| 00:18.25 | abrotman | nothos: he could be using openlook |
| 00:18.31 | mentor | brian_: IIRC, there is a quick start for the impatient. |
| 00:18.35 | jethro | X is for weenies |
| 00:18.35 | nothos | Avant yeah i use alsa for my nforce3 audo |
| 00:18.39 | nothos | audio rather |
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| 00:18.56 | nothos | lol openlook *shudder failsafe* |
| 00:19.06 | nsillik | the first time i installed linux, 7 years ago, that is all i could get, hideous black and grey X-windows |
| 00:19.08 | mentor | jethro: Yeah! So are keyboards. In fact, so are CRT screens. Line printers is where it's at. |
| 00:19.09 | Avantopia | nothos, I only see >> soundcore 9824 3 snd,via82cxxx_audio,sound |
| 00:19.12 | Avantopia | in lsmod |
| 00:19.13 | benjamindees | ok, well, since I have two different projects that would benefit from such a thing, how many people would help to make a run-from-cd distro based on Woody, with security updates? |
| 00:19.17 | brian_ | mentor: .. well i'm not impatient, it's just that in other distros i've used, you just edit the .conf in /usr/src/linux and make and cp the boot image and reboot; this looks more complicated and i'm wondering why. |
| 00:19.19 | nsillik | i was pretty turned off until i found out about windowmanagers |
| 00:19.33 | zeeble | I dont think my card was supported 7 years ago |
| 00:19.36 | _Dom_ | im downloading woody |
| 00:19.38 | jethro | mentor: agreed, but for the keyboard |
| 00:19.40 | zeeble | it was a SiS 6326 crap |
| 00:19.40 | Avantopia | nothos, did you have to 'apt-get' any alsa related packages for your sound to work properly? |
| 00:19.44 | nothos | acantopia really? i just did apt-get install alsa selected the audio chipset from it's dialoge and that was it, easy as |
| 00:19.51 | mentor | jethro: heh. |
| 00:19.54 | abrotman | brian_: short answer .. download the source .. make menuconfig;make-kpkg binary |
| 00:20.08 | Avantopia | nothos, what kernel are you using? |
| 00:20.09 | brian_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:20.13 | Avantopia | I am using the 2.6.8 |
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| 00:20.25 | nothos | nope just got whatever deps apt installed when it grabbed alsa (it may not have gotten any though) |
| 00:20.27 | abrotman | brian_: but it's gonna have ugly output .. you shuld at least look at the versioning stuff |
| 00:20.42 | nothos | yeah i'm using the deb 2.6.8-1 image and source |
| 00:20.45 | mentor | brian_: tbh, it isn't much more complicated; it's just the Debian doesn't unpack the source by default, nor does one necessarily have to have build-essential installed. |
| 00:20.51 | drac | Avantopia: try installing hotplug, and let it install the missing modules. modconf. |
| 00:20.55 | Avantopia | nothos, thx very much |
| 00:20.59 | Avantopia | drac, thx |
| 00:21.21 | mentor | brian_: The kernel-packages usually come with a linux-confif in /boot too, anyway. |
| 00:21.21 | brian_ | abrotman: 'make-kpkg binary' in the directory of the source? |
| 00:21.29 | drac | Avantopia: you can find hotplug from modconf, PCI Hotplug. |
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| 00:21.40 | abrotman | brian_: yes .. and it will put the debs in the directory up one |
| 00:21.41 | mentor | brian_: Just go read the docs. |
| 00:21.51 | brian_ | ok thanks |
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| 00:21.56 | abrotman | brian_: but since you're taking my advice .. it will probably go badly :) |
| 00:22.01 | brian_ | heh |
| 00:22.10 | Raf256 | !beer someone |
| 00:22.12 | abrotman | oh yeah ... and initrd makes baby jesus cry |
| 00:22.13 | fuzzball | how do i list the packages i've retrieved with "apt-cdrom"? |
| 00:22.16 | Raf256 | !blowjob someone |
| 00:22.23 | abrotman | !blow Raf256 |
| 00:22.26 | abrotman | now stop |
| 00:22.29 | nothos | going back 3 years I used to always build new kernels all the time, now it's not really needed I might do it once in a blue moon |
| 00:22.30 | Raf256 | hehe |
| 00:22.43 | nsillik | i used to build kernels just because i could |
| 00:22.45 | jasonf | !blow me |
| 00:22.51 | abrotman | brian_: why are you trying to build a kernel? |
| 00:22.53 | jasonf | hehe |
| 00:22.59 | Avantopia | drac, when I try and start the gnome-mixer I get a dialog saying 'Sorry no mixer elements or devices found' |
| 00:23.03 | nsillik | jasonf: did you enjoy it? |
| 00:23.19 | nsillik | Avantopia: do you have all of the sound devices in /dev? |
| 00:23.22 | jasonf | nsillik: dpkg just has some dependency issues ... I much prefer apt |
| 00:23.26 | Raf256 | they should sell android version of dpkg - it could made a fortune ;) |
| 00:23.38 | mentor | Avantopia: You possibly need gstreamer0.8 |
| 00:23.43 | jethro | jasonf: doesn't apt depend on dpkg ? :) |
| 00:23.43 | Avantopia | nsillik, I see /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer |
| 00:23.47 | Avantopia | that is all I should need. |
| 00:24.05 | nsillik | Avantopia: what type of soundcard is it? |
| 00:24.11 | abrotman | brian_: ? |
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| 00:24.26 | mentor | Avantopia: Which version of GNOME? |
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| 00:24.36 | nsillik | jasonf: i like synaptic, has a better visual experience as well |
| 00:24.54 | karim | is there a way to still do an install even if some deps are broken ? |
| 00:24.56 | jasonf | nsillik: it's not as much about a pretty face as what gets the job done the fastest |
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| 00:25.02 | karim | gedit is broken, so I can't install gnome at all |
| 00:25.13 | brian_ | mentor: now i'll read the docs, but where can i look on my harddisk to see the kernel conf debian auto-did for the current kernel i'm using? |
| 00:25.16 | mentor | karim: Yes, but it's bad...mmm'kay. |
| 00:25.25 | abrotman | brian_: why are you buildinhg a kernel? |
| 00:25.28 | mentor | karim: Fix gedit. |
| 00:25.30 | pmwilson | what can i use to emulate a dos environment (along with a virtual and writable floppy drive) so that i can run a boot disk maker? |
| 00:25.33 | Avantopia | mentor, 2.8 |
| 00:25.34 | mentor | brian_: /boot usually. |
| 00:25.36 | abrotman | dosemu |
| 00:25.41 | karim | mentor, I don't care of gedit |
| 00:25.52 | benjamindees | pmwilson, try doesmu |
| 00:25.56 | brian_ | abrotman: need to add crypto and wireless support in my kernel so i can use ipw2100 (thinkpad t40 laptop) |
| 00:25.57 | mentor | Avantopia: You probably need a newer gstreamer then. |
| 00:25.59 | nothos | i need to find some nice gui tools for my brother.. a file manager, a tool to let him mount stuff from a gui, and a debian package management system |
| 00:26.00 | pmwilson | abrotman, benjamindees: thanks |
| 00:26.02 | brian_ | mentor: thanks |
| 00:26.02 | mentor | karim: WEll, GNOME does. |
| 00:26.10 | jariep1_ | how do I check the version of a package in debian? |
| 00:26.12 | abrotman | brian_: do you really need a whole new kernel for that .. or just the headers? |
| 00:26.12 | a-atwood | !set up dhcp |
| 00:26.16 | jasonf | nsillik: the analogy go a little too far? |
| 00:26.16 | jasonf | lol |
| 00:26.21 | mentor | jariep1_: dpkg -l |
| 00:26.25 | brian_ | abrotman: not sure. i'm a bit confused. |
| 00:26.25 | karim | mentor, apt does. gnome would work without gedit |
| 00:26.33 | mentor | jariep1_: man dpkg. |
| 00:26.37 | abrotman | brian_: ok .. |
| 00:26.44 | karim | I could rm gedit binary, gnome would not notice it |
| 00:26.47 | abrotman | where's wifitux when someone wants to use that intel driver |
| 00:26.47 | zeeble | nothos: nautilus, emelfm, etc for file managing, mount stuff - nautilus, linneighborhood, gui package management - synaptic, kpackage. |
| 00:26.50 | brian_ | abrotman: they said "recompile your kernel if you don't have SOME_VAR enabled in kernel" |
| 00:26.53 | mentor | karim: Which package depends on gedit? |
| 00:26.57 | brian_ | abrotman: and it's not enabled for me |
| 00:26.57 | abrotman | brian_: do you? |
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| 00:27.06 | karim | mentor, gedit-common |
| 00:27.11 | abrotman | brian_: ok .. i'll take your word for it |
| 00:27.11 | mentor | karim: It would when you ran the text editor... |
| 00:27.12 | a-atwood | !dpkg set up dhcp |
| 00:27.12 | Avantopia | mentor, is there a gstreamer-base ? |
| 00:27.20 | mikkele | I wonder why mount says /dev mounted on /.dev ... |
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| 00:27.25 | Avantopia | mentor, apt-cache search returns a lot of stuff for gstreamer. |
| 00:27.29 | mentor | karim: OK...and which package depends on gedit-common? |
| 00:27.41 | nsillik | jasonf: that was the most nerdy sex conversation _ever_ |
| 00:27.48 | mentor | Avantopia: yes, it does. maybe try gnome-media? |
| 00:28.05 | nothos | zeeble ta for that |
| 00:28.09 | karim | mentor, gedit |
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| 00:28.20 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 00:28.20 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 00:28.21 | _Dom_ | is woody 2.4 or 2.6 kernel |
| 00:28.28 | abrotman | 2.2 and 2.4 |
| 00:28.33 | mentor | karim: OK, which GNOME package depends on gedit? |
| 00:28.36 | _Dom_ | k thanks |
| 00:28.44 | jethro | mentor: ever heard of recursive dependencies? now you have :p |
| 00:28.46 | Avantopia | mentor, thx |
| 00:29.03 | siva | hi can anyone help me figure out how to start cyrus-imapd server on my debian sarge |
| 00:29.26 | abrotman | siva: find the init script in /etc/init.d and start it |
| 00:29.42 | StereoSkit | mentor, now that i c my `ps -A` i dont shows any `mysql` entrance, so it is installed but not up! |
| 00:29.51 | abrotman | zeeble: would you rather be 1-celled? |
| 00:30.05 | siva | I can't see any script that is cyrus* in that directory |
| 00:30.16 | zeeble | abrotman: have peeps in family who find its gui soothing |
| 00:30.17 | brian_ | abrotman: weird.. in /usr/include/linux/config.h, NET_CONFIG_RADIO is undef, but in /boot/config...2.6.8, NET_CONFIG_RADIO is enabled. you think im okay then ? |
| 00:30.18 | zeeble | :/ |
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| 00:30.29 | abrotman | zeeble: it's not that bad . i use it for ISP mail |
| 00:30.30 | siva | Can see only /usr/sbin/impad |
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| 00:30.38 | nothos | i wish there was a wince sync tool for evolution |
| 00:30.41 | nothos | and not just palm |
| 00:30.45 | abrotman | brian_: so try your driver without recompiling |
| 00:30.57 | brian_ | abrotman: hmm ok |
| 00:30.58 | zeeble | abrotman: no. i was checking out the evo 2.2 release...does'nt work. |
| 00:31.04 | benjamindees | wince is a piece of shit for sync, it wouldn't work right anyways... |
| 00:31.05 | mentor | StereoSkit: Odd that. |
| 00:31.10 | karim | mentor, gedit-common gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment |
| 00:31.14 | zeeble | benjamindees: hehe |
| 00:31.15 | mentor | StereoSkit: Now you need to find why it isn't starr.ed |
| 00:31.23 | abrotman | zeeble: oh .. i just have whatever is in sarge |
| 00:31.26 | karim | mentor, gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment are meta package |
| 00:31.32 | abrotman | as is gnome |
| 00:31.33 | mentor | karim: Are those meta-pacakges? |
| 00:31.39 | mentor | karim: So, you don't have to use them. |
| 00:31.40 | abrotman | !depends gnome |
| 00:31.42 | dpkg | gnome: depends on gnome-desktop-environment (= 62), gnome-office (= 62), bluefish, evolution (>= 2.0.2) | balsa, gnome-cups-manager (>= 0.25), gnome-nettool, gnome-system-tools (>= 1.0.0), gnome-themes-extras, rhythmbox, synaptic (>= 0.53.4) | gnome-apt, totem, vino, xscreensaver |
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| 00:31.52 | nsillik | StereoSkit: did you check to see if it is starting in your runlevel? |
| 00:31.57 | StereoSkit | mentor, im dinving some config files, hope i can find the err today |
| 00:32.01 | benjamindees | zeeble, and I'm speaking from experience ;) |
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| 00:32.10 | Raf256 | !depends purpose of life |
| 00:32.11 | StereoSkit | nsillik, how can i do that? |
| 00:32.18 | zeeble | Raf256: heh |
| 00:32.20 | abrotman | Raf256: stop abusing dpkg |
| 00:32.28 | karim | mentor, yes, if you know a method to install everypackage of the meta package beside gedit, I am interested |
| 00:32.31 | StereoSkit | /etc/rc2.d ? |
| 00:32.41 | zeeble | yay. nice start to day already |
| 00:32.45 | fxh | hi do you know if it exists a database of kernel config files ordered by model of pc? |
| 00:32.48 | siva | anyone please help me how to start my cyrus-imapd |
| 00:33.01 | abrotman | !cyrus |
| 00:33.01 | dpkg | [cyrus] the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. It's homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN" |
| 00:33.04 | jasonf | fxh: if you need that, you don't need to compile your own kernel |
| 00:33.15 | abrotman | siva: try #cyrus |
| 00:33.33 | Avantopia | my sound card is not working... this is bogus. I did an install of Sarge two days ago with a different hard drive and I didn't get this problem.... also my TFT screen is being displayed to incorrectly by moving the image an inch too much to the right leaving blank space on the left side of my TFT monitor. |
| 00:33.34 | fxh | thanks jasonf but what do you mean? |
| 00:33.45 | siva | yes I ran it and it gave nothing |
| 00:33.53 | nsillik | StereoSkit: check in /etc/rc2.d for a startupscript for mysql |
| 00:33.54 | abrotman | ran what? |
| 00:34.00 | mentor | karim: using apt-get? |
| 00:34.05 | jasonf | fxh: what I mean is that if you don't know what hardware is in your box, you should probably use a stock distro kernel image instead of trying to compile your own. |
| 00:34.10 | mentor | karim: or aptitude. |
| 00:34.10 | Avantopia | anyone here know how to fix these issues? |
| 00:34.12 | Avantopia | drac? |
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| 00:34.31 | drac | Avantopia: Still mixer gives same error? |
| 00:34.38 | Avantopia | drac, yes |
| 00:34.43 | nsillik | Avantopia: what xdriver are you using? |
| 00:34.49 | Avantopia | alsaconf didn't help one bit. |
| 00:35.06 | StereoSkit | nsillik, actually there is not! |
| 00:35.14 | Avantopia | snd_via82xx |
| 00:35.29 | drac | Avantopia: did alsaconf find your card? |
| 00:35.42 | Avantopia | drac, yes... it found snd_via82xx |
| 00:35.52 | fxh | my point is that it could save time even if you know what's in your box. |
| 00:35.58 | drac | and you are in audio group now? |
| 00:36.00 | nsillik | StereoSkit: well, that's your problem |
| 00:36.02 | StereoSkit | nsillik, Oops, there is one, let me vim it |
| 00:36.10 | nsillik | what is it called, the filename? |
| 00:36.20 | drac | check 'id' |
| 00:36.29 | Avantopia | nsillik, I am using ... agpgart 31784 2 via_agp |
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| 00:36.53 | Avantopia | nsillik, that is all that I could find relating to my xvideodriver. |
| 00:36.57 | nsillik | Avantopia: hmm, well, i don't know, i've had a problem with my screen image with the new nvidia driver |
| 00:37.02 | Avantopia | nsillik, what should I be seeing? |
| 00:37.17 | nsillik | Avantopia: you didn't happen to install the proprietary nvidia driver did you? |
| 00:37.17 | Avantopia | nsillik, I didn't have this problem before. |
| 00:37.24 | Avantopia | nsillik, no |
| 00:37.51 | nsillik | Avantopia: have you tried reconfiguring X to fix the problem with the image? |
| 00:37.52 | mikkele | udev is supposedly working if /dev/.udev.tdb exists, isn't it? |
| 00:38.18 | Avantopia | nsillik, what do I type to reconfigure X the debian way? |
| 00:38.33 | StereoSkit | nsillik, it is a link wich points to /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 00:38.37 | nsillik | well, i think you'll have to log into just a terminal and shut down X |
| 00:38.40 | sgeigerb` | Avantopia: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-free86 |
| 00:38.48 | nsillik | Avantopia: and dpk... he got it |
| 00:38.49 | Avantopia | sgeigerb`, thx |
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| 00:39.17 | Avantopia | sgeigerb`, I chose the option that said optimize for TFT instead of CRT |
| 00:39.18 | nsillik | StereoSkit: okay, in try running the /etc/rc2.d/SXXmysql file |
| 00:39.21 | siva | hello can anyone solve my problem? |
| 00:39.23 | Avantopia | Is that okay? |
| 00:39.26 | nsillik | StereoSkit: and then see if it is running |
| 00:39.36 | nsillik | Avantopia: that should be fine, mine is running that right now |
| 00:39.39 | Avantopia | sgeigerb`, should I choose the default which is neither? |
| 00:39.42 | nsillik | siva: we won't know until you ask |
| 00:39.43 | _Dom_ | anyone tried installing woody with vmware? |
| 00:39.44 | Avantopia | nsillik, k |
| 00:39.57 | Avantopia | _Dom_, yes. It runs fine. |
| 00:40.02 | siva | yes can you help me start my cyrus-imapd server |
| 00:40.17 | _Dom_ | im having trouble it says no hard drives detected |
| 00:40.19 | siva | i don't find the cyrus binary file |
| 00:40.24 | _Dom_ | i think ive set something up wrong :) |
| 00:40.31 | nsillik | siva: did you install it using apt? |
| 00:40.33 | sgeigerb` | siva: dpkg --listfiles <package> ...and look for the init.d file |
| 00:40.43 | siva | yes i installed using apt-get |
| 00:40.45 | Avantopia | _Dom_, possibly, I haven't ran into that issue. try the vmware forums. |
| 00:40.50 | StereoSkit | enrique@Cancerbero:/etc/rc2.d$ /etc/rc2.d/S20mysql start |
| 00:40.51 | StereoSkit | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 00:40.51 | StereoSkit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.55 | sgeigerb` | siva: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 00:41.03 | nsillik | StereoSkit: so, check the log, see what it says |
| 00:41.13 | StereoSkit | im into it nsillik |
| 00:41.15 | sgeigerb` | Avantopia: I don't know what you are doing. Sorry. |
| 00:41.28 | nsillik | StereoSkit: wonderful, no offense meant |
| 00:41.28 | zeeble | siva: have you edited your cysrus conf file? |
| 00:41.43 | siva | no |
| 00:41.52 | zeeble | siva: in /etc/cyrus.conf and /etc/imapd.conf? |
| 00:41.56 | zeeble | siva: blah |
| 00:41.57 | Avantopia | what kind of test can I do to get my sound working with alsa if my /dev/dsp /dev/mixer exist and my audio card is being hotplugged at boot correctly? |
| 00:41.59 | siva | I can't see any startup script in /etc/init.d |
| 00:42.05 | StereoSkit | nsillik, no prob man, tnx 4 ur help and anybodys else! |
| 00:42.21 | zeeble | siva: http://linuxsilo.net/articles/postfix.html <-- go read that. and it's in spanish. translate that to english thro google |
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| 00:42.21 | siva | no I didn't edited /etc/imapd.conf |
| 00:42.23 | drac | Avantopia: Check 'id' you really are in audio group :P I just have this bad feeling. |
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| 00:43.03 | urban | whats the command for the list of process runnign |
| 00:43.04 | priest | how can I see when a packages was built? |
| 00:43.06 | nite_fly | anyone know of any good VPS hosting |
| 00:43.09 | ApEtc | urban: ps |
| 00:43.21 | sussudio | !swat nite_fly |
| 00:43.32 | nite_fly | ? |
| 00:43.38 | nsillik_away | urban: ps -A |
| 00:43.41 | nite_fly | sussudio, whatd i do |
| 00:43.43 | urban | thanks |
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| 00:44.26 | sgeigerb` | urban: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/linux-docs.txt ...and in this case you could have typed "man -k process | less" |
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| 00:46.03 | mrwill | nite_fly: bytemark |
| 00:46.12 | nite_fly | url > |
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| 00:46.25 | Avantopia | what kind of test can I do to get my sound working with alsa if my /dev/dsp /dev/mixer exist and my audio card is being hotplugged at boot correctly? |
| 00:46.45 | sgeigerb` | !+sound |
| 00:46.45 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 00:46.59 | mrwill | nite_fly: www.bytemark.co.uk |
| 00:47.00 | urban | thanks for your help all |
| 00:47.02 | jasonf | Avantopia: cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp (don't do that) |
| 00:47.30 | abrotman | that's not right |
| 00:47.35 | abrotman | you forgot to redirect it |
| 00:47.39 | jasonf | oh |
| 00:47.41 | Avantopia | jasonf, ? |
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| 00:47.47 | jasonf | abrotman: well, I did that to a guy once ssh'd into his box |
| 00:47.54 | green_earz | urban: and check out pstree |
| 00:47.59 | jasonf | abrotman: I fixed it, then I'm like "oh, a special present for you |
| 00:48.12 | jasonf | abrotman: He was like "ahhh!!! I was wearing headphones, you bastard!" |
| 00:48.15 | jasonf | it was a classic moment |
| 00:48.32 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 00:48.33 | flaco_ | anyone know how to fix Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs |
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| 00:48.56 | abrotman | fix your initrd,check you have the fs driver compiled in,and HDD driver |
| 00:49.07 | jasonf | and make sure your ROOT= boot line is right |
| 00:49.09 | green_earz | urban: and pstree -A |
| 00:49.21 | priest | is there any apt-tool to see when a packages was built? |
| 00:49.53 | flaco_ | abrotman: i compile the kernel making a .deb, when i install the kernel, and the installation dont make a initrd |
| 00:50.06 | abrotman | flaco_: did you tell lilo that? |
| 00:50.17 | flaco_ | i'm using grub |
| 00:50.22 | abrotman | flaco_: and did you compile in your FS driver and HDD chipset stuff? |
| 00:50.31 | flaco_ | yes |
| 00:50.40 | dvs | flaco_: no --inird option |
| 00:50.46 | simonrvn | init* |
| 00:50.54 | flaco_ | where i put that? |
| 00:51.06 | simonrvn | make-kpkg |
| 00:51.32 | dvs | flaco_: when you compiled the kernel with make-kpkg |
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| 00:51.38 | flaco_ | yes |
| 00:51.55 | simonrvn | man make-kpkg |
| 00:52.23 | flaco_ | make kpkg then make-kpkg clean, then fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 00:52.36 | myren | X stops opening windows some times: Gdk-ERROR **: BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length erro |
| 00:52.43 | jariep1_ | I'm trying to run a package that requires 'dialog', but it keeps saying that I have a version of dialog older than 0.9 and I have a version above 1.0. What can I do, I want to install firewall-jay |
| 00:52.44 | myren | serial 57 error_code 16 request_code 18 minor_code 0 |
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| 00:52.51 | dvs | flaco_: do you have this in your /etc/kernel-img.conf file: postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub <cr> postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub |
| 00:52.59 | abrotman | !#gnom |
| 00:53.01 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 00:53.01 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 00:53.09 | myren | its weird though, xterm, xmms, a ton of programs wont open |
| 00:53.15 | Raf256 | !smite FOX for canceling the Futurama show |
| 00:53.17 | myren | Eterm, on the other hand, contineus opening fine |
| 00:53.25 | myren | abrotman: who ws taht for? |
| 00:53.31 | abrotman | myren: could be for you |
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| 00:53.41 | abrotman | myren: gdk is gnome-ish stuff |
| 00:53.42 | myren | xterm doesnt use gnome libraries |
| 00:53.47 | sgeigerb` | Raf256: Fox does penis enlargements? |
| 00:53.48 | abrotman | gdk ? |
| 00:53.50 | abrotman | !gdk |
| 00:53.50 | dpkg | somebody said gdk was probably related to GTK. General Drawing Kit |
| 00:53.54 | abrotman | thank you |
| 00:54.03 | flaco_ | dvs, yes, i have that |
| 00:54.15 | dvs | hmmm... |
| 00:54.20 | myren | its just GDK passing the xlib error |
| 00:54.22 | Raf256 | sgeigerb ee.. no ;) ask dpkg about futurama |
| 00:54.28 | myren | xterm gives me this xlib err: X Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length error) |
| 00:54.36 | myren | its not gdk |
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| 00:54.54 | flaco_ | dvs, in the grub file, there is no initdr |
| 00:54.56 | abrotman | myren: you're using gnome .. which uses something to draw the windows .. and if you have something like a taskbar in gnome .. |
| 00:55.01 | flaco_ | i think that is the problem |
| 00:55.04 | _Dom_ | debian with vmware is fun |
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| 00:55.09 | green_earz | priest: apt-cache show package-name which i just tryed but package date, so > http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages.en-gb.html#search_packages and look at the very bottom of the page of the app you search for |
| 00:55.10 | sussudio | http://www.local6.com/news/4030360/detail.html < ROUS! |
| 00:55.11 | doub | hi there |
| 00:55.19 | themolest | hello i did a install on a buds pc for sarge with 2.6 kernel |
| 00:55.21 | PryoBoy | my webmin is really slow, I disabled search for hostnames. Any ideas? (it is a fast machine plenty of ram) |
| 00:55.22 | Avantopia | what kind of test can I do to get my sound working with alsa if my /dev/dsp /dev/mixer exist and my audio card is being hotplugged at boot correctly? |
| 00:55.32 | themolest | using the sarge installer, and it lilo and grub failed |
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| 00:55.41 | dvs | oh |
| 00:56.04 | themolest | i did it rather late, so i just realized that we had forgotten to create a swap partition |
| 00:56.07 | Avantopia | themolest, keep trying... I had the same issue... I finally got lilo to install and then after that I installed grub over it. |
| 00:56.16 | myren | abrotman: i'm using openbox. why would xterm give me the same error (in different parsing)? |
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| 00:56.29 | themolest | however... what i think it may be related to is we set it up on a md |
| 00:56.38 | abrotman | myren: dunno .. but gdk is gnome-ish stuff |
| 00:56.45 | themolest | also whts the diff of a md or a lvm |
| 00:56.45 | abrotman | or gtk probably |
| 00:57.14 | green_earz | Avantopia: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 00:57.26 | Avantopia | themolest, md is a raid volume lvm is a logical volume in software. |
| 00:57.46 | PryoBoy | anybody know of a place where I can get webmin help? #webmin is dead / not the right place to be. |
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| 00:57.52 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 00:57.52 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webadmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 00:58.08 | zeeble | heh |
| 00:58.39 | PryoBoy | Ok so what else should I use rather then webmin? |
| 00:58.57 | doub | PryoBoy: your keyboard and favorite text editor, maybe |
| 00:58.57 | dvs | vi |
| 00:58.58 | abrotman | ssh and vi |
| 00:59.00 | green_earz | PryoBoy: whats the problem ? |
| 00:59.08 | PryoBoy | doub I dont have that much programming skills. |
| 00:59.21 | myren | abrotman: xlib has something on file. evidently its an issue with my laptop, something with either the crueso or the radeon mobility. |
| 00:59.23 | doub | PryoBoy: it's not about programming, it's about configuring |
| 00:59.24 | Avantopia | green_earz, this didn't do a thing... I have the devices /dev/dsp /dev/mixer .... when I try and start the gnome-mixer I am sent a dialog stating >> sorry no mixer elements and/or devices found. |
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| 00:59.30 | PryoBoy | Green_earz my webmin is verrry slow. And its not the server becuase the munin pages come up very fast. |
| 00:59.45 | PryoBoy | doub How would I Start "configuring"? |
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| 01:00.01 | themolest | Avantopia so lvmis like jbod? |
| 01:00.07 | doub | PryoBoy: you'll have the same result as with webmin, the difference being you'll have more control over what happens |
| 01:00.09 | zeeble | nice. a munin user :] |
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| 01:00.15 | Nenillo | PryoBoy webmin uses his own server |
| 01:00.17 | Avantopia | themolest, I don't know what jbod is. |
| 01:00.21 | Nenillo | and sure, it's slow... |
| 01:00.23 | doub | PryoBoy: at the price of a little bit less fancyness |
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| 01:00.43 | doub | PryoBoy: simply read the docs, search for the conf file and edit it |
| 01:00.45 | StereoSkit | tnx for your help |
| 01:00.51 | StereoSkit | goodbye! |
| 01:00.55 | douba | hi there! how do i rise my screen resolution under the terminal ? setterm doesn't seem to handle it... |
| 01:00.55 | abrotman | myren: ok ... still doesn't make sense .. you could try asking #xfree86 if it's xlib |
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| 01:01.15 | green_earz | PryoBoy: have you got it set up for the old theme its lighter or debian theme |
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| 01:01.26 | fntc | hi. does anyone know whether it is possible to _forward_ ipv4 broadcasts between two interfaces? scenario: _no_ bridge, proxy arp between the two interfaces |
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| 01:01.39 | Nenillo | douba are you using fbdev? |
| 01:01.39 | flaco_ | dvs, the compilation dont create the initrd image....... u know how to create it? |
| 01:01.51 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:01.52 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you'. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:01.54 | abrotman | !initrd |
| 01:01.54 | dpkg | initrd is, like, initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 01:01.56 | abrotman | don't use initrd |
| 01:01.58 | dvs | flaco_: I don't mess with initrd when I compile my own kernel |
| 01:01.59 | doub | fntc: why not use a bridge? that's what they're made for |
| 01:02.06 | aFlag | douba, you have to set vga=something on grub or lilo |
| 01:02.11 | fntc | doub: bridges are not always possible |
| 01:02.17 | flaco_ | but... i follow the orders :'( |
| 01:02.20 | fntc | doub: think of two different media |
| 01:02.22 | douba | Nenillo: humm it's the standard sarge install so i guess yes |
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| 01:02.49 | Nenillo | douba you can set the resolution in kernel boot params |
| 01:03.00 | fntc | doub: or simply consider the case where one interface is involved which is not an ethernet interface |
| 01:03.04 | myren | abrotman: its something with my transmeta processor evident. from the BTS report: # There is no "cantfix" tag.\ntag 234556 = wontfix. fuck fuck fuck. |
| 01:03.19 | douba | aFlag: ah... i used to put it lilo.conf but i'm looking for a command line tools |
| 01:03.19 | doub | fntc: right. but if you have arp proxy, i bet both are some sort of ethernet |
| 01:03.30 | fntc | doub: no |
| 01:03.30 | aFlag | douba, to figure out the something you can try hwinfo --framebuffer |
| 01:03.33 | yxa | what's wrong with using initrd? |
| 01:03.42 | kisielk | I just found that the chipset on my 802.11b card is not supported on Linux, so I'm looking to buy a new card |
| 01:03.45 | fntc | doub: the other interface is a virtual one |
| 01:03.51 | fntc | doub: but this does not really matter |
| 01:03.53 | kisielk | which chipset / card model has the best support? |
| 01:03.55 | EricBlade | write a new driver, Kiluminati |
| 01:03.58 | EricBlade | er, kisielk |
| 01:03.59 | EricBlade | not Kiluminati |
| 01:04.07 | aFlag | douba, it's a kernel parameter i'm not sure you can change it on the fly |
| 01:04.12 | green_earz | PryoBoy: so check out the themes and have a look at the cpu useage in with webmin to see what grabing the bandwith ?? |
| 01:04.23 | Avantopia | I think I found a FIX |
| 01:04.23 | kisielk | EricBlade: I've got better things to do with my time, and seeing as nobody has been able to write a driver for it so far, I doubt I will be able to either |
| 01:04.25 | Avantopia | brb |
| 01:04.26 | dvs | yxa: The whole point of initrd is if you're not sure what modules you'll need when you load the kernel. |
| 01:04.34 | EricBlade | kisielk: :) |
| 01:04.39 | abrotman | myren: nice .. sorry bout your luck |
| 01:05.06 | doub | fntc: ok... so maybe doing some sort of NAT can help you there |
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| 01:05.25 | Avantopia | my audio is not working... alsamixer seems to work |
| 01:05.27 | douba | aFlag: oh... ok, i'm apt-get installing hwinfo :) i think i'll put the vga=... option in grub.conf then |
| 01:05.48 | fntc | doub: hm, i don't think so since i don't want to change the addresses of the broadcast packet |
| 01:07.32 | doub | fntc: what do you need this for? |
| 01:07.39 | aFlag | on grub.conf you have to put right in front of the kernel line |
| 01:07.55 | aFlag | on lilo.conf you can put it anywhere |
| 01:08.02 | jasonf | How can I tell which apache I have installed (i.e. worker, prefork, etc) |
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| 01:08.47 | Nenillo | apache -V |
| 01:08.51 | abrotman | dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 01:08.51 | dpkg | grep apache 1.4-1.3 abrotman's private stamp collection |
| 01:08.58 | abrotman | dpkg: shut up |
| 01:08.59 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
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| 01:09.11 | fntc | doub: consider the general scenario when one wants to create the illusion of one subnet where in fact two different (non-ethernet) ones are in use and the behaviour should be subnet compliant, i.e. broadcasts should also work. |
| 01:09.18 | distempr | I'm having problems with cups, is there a resource (not the cups site :x it's terrible) that you can link me to on how to debug my problem? ie. it's timing out and cannot reach the printer, while the other machine (before a dist-upgrade) still works fine. Exact same config (as far as I can tell) on the older machine. Thoughts? Ideas? Am I on crack? |
| 01:09.21 | classko | dpkg: shut up |
| 01:09.21 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 01:09.22 | douba | aFlag: thanks; i was just going to ask you for the kernel param. :) |
| 01:09.26 | classko | :) |
| 01:09.42 | abrotman | !cups |
| 01:09.42 | dpkg | cups is, like, a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 01:09.46 | Covener | fntc: subnet compliant? |
| 01:09.56 | fntc | Covener: well not a proper term |
| 01:09.58 | jasonf | abrotman: if I'm running a small webserver with 128 mb of ram .... running like everything LAMP, which one woudl you reccomend? |
| 01:10.03 | abrotman | !cups setup |
| 01:10.03 | dpkg | i guess cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 01:10.05 | fntc | Covener: i mean broadcasts should work |
| 01:10.11 | fntc | Covener: so ipv4 compliant |
| 01:10.13 | abrotman | jasonf: which webserver? |
| 01:10.14 | Covener | fntc: should go to both networks you mean? |
| 01:10.22 | gothtec | Any photoshop help channels? I'm trying to color a scanned pencil drawing and I'm having problems with the grey parts at the edge of the lines. I need the black lines to fade to see-through instead of white, so that if I color an area, it will not just fill the empty parts, but also replace the paper white color in the parts where the lines are not 100% black... |
| 01:10.28 | jasonf | abrotman: i.e. prefork, worker, etc |
| 01:10.34 | Avantopia | if my master volume is [off] in alsamixer how do I switch it on? |
| 01:10.36 | jasonf | abrotman: using apache2 |
| 01:10.39 | fntc | Covener: it's about forwarding broadcasts by the arp proxy |
| 01:10.47 | abrotman | jasonf: dunno .. but if you apt-get install php4 in sarge .. it picks apache for you |
| 01:10.58 | abrotman | err an apache2 |
| 01:11.11 | jasonf | I have it already installed, it just likes to have kittens |
| 01:11.19 | abrotman | kittens are cute |
| 01:11.37 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | it's gonna install prefork |
| 01:11.42 | nevyn | sigh /. STAB |
| 01:11.44 | sgeigerb` | !+usbmouse |
| 01:11.44 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 01:11.48 | brian_ | does anyone here have an ipw2100 wireless card? |
| 01:11.48 | green_earz | distempr: check out a different driver for the printer may help ? i get it where one driver better than another |
| 01:11.56 | abrotman | !slashdot |
| 01:11.59 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (9 shown; 10 total): Transparent Transistors Are Coming ;; eBay Retires MS Passport Sign-In ;; One-Man Lord of The Rings Comes to Chicago ;; Federal Appeals Court Sides With VoIP Providers ;; Wireless Security By The Gallon ;; MicroDisplay Claims Progress Toward Elusive LCoS ;; Revolution In The Valley ;; The Coming Atlantic Mega-Tsunami ;; Relic Russian ICBM To the Rescue for Science. |
| 01:12.03 | sgeigerb` | !+listkeys gpm |
| 01:12.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'gpm' by key (9 shown): gpm2 ;; x+gpm ;; gpm+x ;; gpm repeater ;; elf gpm ;; gpm ;; gpm-x ;; gpm3 ;; gpmdata. |
| 01:12.13 | benjamindees | is there an easy to use program that will start the debian install process from dos, without booting from any medium? |
| 01:12.52 | abrotman | brian_: #wireless |
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| 01:12.55 | distempr | green_earz: i don't think it's the driver, since they're both the same on either machine... one works... one just can't connect to the printer.. |
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| 01:12.56 | abrotman | darn that wifitux |
| 01:12.58 | distempr | times out |
| 01:13.01 | debian | benjamindees: loadlin |
| 01:13.02 | nite_fly | anyone know of any VPS hosting companies |
| 01:13.08 | JoRo | hello |
| 01:13.22 | JoRo | i new a sources list for stable kernel-images for debian |
| 01:13.31 | JoRo | can somebody help me |
| 01:13.38 | abrotman | JoRo: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 01:13.44 | abrotman | !tell JoRo about real kernel |
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| 01:14.18 | JoRo | Yes i know this command but my sourceslist are to old |
| 01:14.31 | jasonf | !tell me about real kernel |
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| 01:14.53 | debian | !tell JoRo about sources.list |
| 01:14.58 | abrotman | JoRo: try apt-setup |
| 01:15.09 | RainbowW | is there a way to tell which package installs /var/lib/mysql? i would like to report a bug on it |
| 01:15.09 | green_earz | distempr: if you got kde you could configure from kde and see if it picks it up ? idear thats if kde |
| 01:15.27 | abrotman | RainbowW: that's a directory |
| 01:15.36 | doub | RainbowW: dpkg -L <path> |
| 01:15.38 | RainbowW | abrotman: i'm aware of that. |
| 01:15.45 | abrotman | RainbowW: probably mysql-common |
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| 01:15.47 | benjamindees | solaranger, you should look over this howto: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Loadlin+Win95-98-ME.html |
| 01:15.54 | abrotman | !find var/lib/mysql |
| 01:16.06 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'var/lib/mysql' returned no results. |
| 01:16.10 | abrotman | nice |
| 01:16.29 | jariep1_ | i am trying to install a program that requires "dialog" package, and I have greater than 1.0 installed. When installing firewall-jay, it tells me that I need to upgrade to version 0.9a, what can I do to fix this? |
| 01:16.31 | JoRo | thank you guys |
| 01:16.31 | benjamindees | solaranger, and get loadlin from here: http://elserv.ffm.fgan.de/~lermen/ |
| 01:16.32 | RainbowW | abrotman: yeah. ;-) |
| 01:17.03 | abrotman | RainbowW: was i right? |
| 01:17.37 | RainbowW | abrotman: i'm still looking. |
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| 01:17.45 | doub | RainbowW: i'd guess mysql-server creates it in one of its install scripts |
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| 01:18.41 | abrotman | RainbowW: what's wrong with it? |
| 01:19.05 | benjamindees | can debian be installed from .iso image(s) on the hard drive? |
| 01:19.20 | Avantopia | I can use my soundcard now. I have to use the 'alsamixer' in order to change the volume of the card. I cannot do this with the 'gnome-volume-mixer'. how can I get gnome to work properly with my soundcard? |
| 01:19.21 | Gul3 | hello. i'm new to debian. i don't know much about linux either, but some. i've just installed sarge. but i get a error or sometihing almost everytime i try to use "apt-get".. "locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged". what should i do? |
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| 01:19.43 | RainbowW | abrotman: in a dist-upgrade, if /var/lib/mysql is a link, the link gets eaten and replaced with a real directory. when the db comes back up, obviously shit doesn't work. i have this set up like this (/var/lib/mysql is a link to /home/mysql) because /home is on a raid5 array, and i want the db files protected by the raid array. |
| 01:19.51 | dvs | Guerin: dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 01:19.52 | distempr | how do I completely re-install packages? :x |
| 01:19.56 | Nenillo | Gul3 try dpkg-reconfigur elocales |
| 01:20.01 | Nenillo | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:20.07 | Gul3 | i will.. thanks |
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| 01:20.21 | Andrew | hello |
| 01:20.26 | RainbowW | abrotman: this means client applications (like my blogs) go down until the admin figures out what's up. |
| 01:21.38 | green_earz | distempr: apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 01:21.45 | abrotman | RainbowW: well ... that certainly seems like odd behaviour .. this is woody or sarge? |
| 01:22.06 | JoRo | guys dont works |
| 01:22.09 | Gul3 | dpkg-reconfigure locales just leavs me a bunch of new sh*t. somewhere i could paste? |
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| 01:22.22 | dondelelcaro | Gul3: #flood or use the paster bot. |
| 01:22.25 | JoRo | i already have only the old kernel i want to install the kernel-image 2.6.9 |
| 01:22.31 | Gul3 | paster bot? |
| 01:22.32 | Andrew | Hello, I have a question about knoppix |
| 01:22.34 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 01:22.34 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
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| 01:22.42 | distempr | green_earz: thanks :x I forgot if it was apt-get or dpkg heh ... |
| 01:22.51 | green_earz | ok |
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| 01:22.54 | abrotman | Andrew: guess what .. this is #debian .. #knoppix is farther down the alphabet |
| 01:22.55 | sgeigerb` | distempr: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
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| 01:23.00 | Andrew | ahh |
| 01:23.02 | Andrew | sorry |
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| 01:23.34 | sgeigerb` | Andrew: The spelling is different, which is sybolic of the difference. I suggest you learn the difference...but if you have debian-related questions, feel free to ask them here. |
| 01:23.38 | RainbowW | abrotman: sid. and while i understand that it's what i get for playing with sid, i still think it's an aberrent behavior that deserves a bug. |
| 01:24.05 | Gul3 | cm-84:/home/kenneth# dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:24.05 | Gul3 | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 01:24.05 | Gul3 | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 01:24.05 | Gul3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.05 | Gul3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:24.29 | dvs | ya don't listen. |
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| 01:24.40 | FLD | is there charmap for linux |
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| 01:24.49 | Gul3 | sorry! |
| 01:24.53 | FLD | ok |
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| 01:25.00 | green_earz | Andrew: have you check out debian net installer for sarge ? > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20041228/ sarge-i386-netinst.iso go have a go ! |
| 01:25.03 | abrotman | RainbowW: file a bug against the -server package |
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| 01:25.09 | jariep1_ | ca somebody help me troubleshoot the "dialog" package? |
| 01:25.10 | abrotman | Gul3: you're a fucking idiot |
| 01:25.22 | abrotman | after someone told you not to paste in here .. you did it anyways |
| 01:25.27 | glor | jariep1_: I know a little about dialog, what do you need? |
| 01:25.33 | abrotman | Gul3: and `dpkg-reconfigure locales` |
| 01:25.59 | JoRo | ca sombody tell me a sourcelist for kernel-image 2.6.9 |
| 01:26.10 | Gul3 | abrotman: i'm sorry. i hit enter to fast.. dpkg-reconfigure locales just leavs me what i pasted.. |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | JoRo: which version of debian are you running |
| 01:26.22 | Nenillo | JoRo any unstable package repository |
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| 01:26.26 | ThePhrk | does anyone know if debian supports xircom pcmcia network cards ..? |
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| 01:26.32 | PoonJ | hey guys... |
| 01:26.33 | JoRo | 2.4.12 |
| 01:26.37 | abrotman | ThePhrk: which chipset |
| 01:26.42 | jariep1_ | glor, I'm trying to install firewall-jay and I intalled dialog great than 1.0. When I run the setup for firewall-jay, it tells me that I need version of dialog greater than 0.9, then it aborts |
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| 01:26.44 | abrotman | JoRo: that's not a version of debian |
| 01:26.48 | PoonJ | I'm trying to compile a package..but its asking for zlib. which package do I install from debian? |
| 01:26.49 | JoRo | ad want to upgrade of 2.6.9 |
| 01:26.50 | PoonJ | zlibc? |
| 01:26.51 | JoRo | sorry |
| 01:26.52 | JoRo | woody |
| 01:26.54 | ThePhrk | abrotman: RE100 i believe |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | JoRo: you can't |
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| 01:27.00 | Nenillo | JoRo switch to unstable |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | ThePhrk: does linux support it? |
| 01:27.29 | abrotman | Gul3: it gives you that error? |
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| 01:27.38 | ThePhrk | kinda FC1 does and Gentoo has support and redhat 9 has support but centos doesn't |
| 01:27.39 | glor | jariep1_: Have you tried installing dialog 0.9 or 1.0 ? |
| 01:27.48 | jariep1_ | I have 1.0 installed |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | centos? |
| 01:27.51 | Gul3 | abrotman: yes |
| 01:27.53 | glor | jariep1_: Sorry, I'm an idiot |
| 01:27.58 | abrotman | ThePhrk: so it's kernel version dependant |
| 01:28.06 | abrotman | Gul3: running sid? |
| 01:28.24 | jariep1_ | glor, where do you think I should go, or how should I go about this? |
| 01:28.31 | JoRo | Nenillo: can you tell me a sourcelis for 2.6.x kernel-images |
| 01:28.31 | karim | hi |
| 01:28.32 | Gul3 | abrotman: i don't know |
| 01:28.45 | karim | no device are created for my cdrom, is that normal ? |
| 01:28.45 | Brendon_ | hi all, i'm trying to get sound working but all i get is sound from xmms (plays mp3s). Apps like mplayer and quake3 complain that "/dev/dsp device not found". How would i get sound working for other applications? |
| 01:28.51 | abrotman | Gul3: how do you now know? |
| 01:28.52 | dvs | JoRo: Not for woody. |
| 01:28.53 | abrotman | err not know? |
| 01:28.53 | Nenillo | JoRo... in your actual source list, put unstable instead of stable |
| 01:28.58 | karim | ok it's not, but well, the kernel detects it at boot |
| 01:28.58 | ThePhrk | to tell you the truth i have no ideal i know that redhat has the module for it already and i can't seem to track down a download for it all my google searches tunrs up no support avalible |
| 01:28.59 | glor | jariep1_: does dialog run when you type its name? |
| 01:29.01 | abrotman | !at |
| 01:29.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, at is a Delayed job execution and batch processing program or an old IBM computer. |
| 01:29.03 | abrotman | !.at |
| 01:29.03 | dpkg | [.at] Austria |
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| 01:29.03 | Nenillo | in your current* sorry |
| 01:29.14 | glor | jariep1_: try dialog --yesno "Does it work?" 0 0 |
| 01:29.15 | Nenillo | !.tk |
| 01:29.15 | dpkg | i guess .tk is Tokelau |
| 01:29.16 | abrotman | JoRo: do you speak german better than english? |
| 01:29.19 | Phated | Don't ask someone to update to sid just for a kernel, jeez. |
| 01:29.19 | Nyle | smbclient -L localhost returns the shares I have setup, IPC/Admin/Printer, I have added the same user on the xp machine as I have on the linux machine, I have run smbpasswd and set the password. Yet when I go to the xp machine/entire network/mshome, it says i might not have enough permissions to use this network resource, can anyone help, I have been on this for hours now |
| 01:29.21 | jariep1_ | yes |
| 01:29.21 | JoRo | ja |
| 01:29.27 | JoRo | Yes |
| 01:29.29 | abrotman | !german |
| 01:29.29 | dpkg | i guess german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 01:29.37 | JoRo | thy |
| 01:29.44 | abrotman | JoRo: your english isn't very good :) .. you need some practice |
| 01:29.58 | sussudio | !dachs abrotman |
| 01:29.58 | dpkg | abrotman: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 01:30.38 | abrotman | !love sussudio |
| 01:30.47 | Gul3 | abrotman: i don't know what you are talkin about.. sorry, but could you be more specific? |
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| 01:30.50 | jariep1_ | glor, yes it works |
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| 01:31.11 | abrotman | Gul3: are you running woody, sarge, or sid .. |
| 01:31.20 | Gul3 | sarge |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | Gul3: and did you check the bts ? |
| 01:31.41 | Gul3 | bts? |
| 01:31.44 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:31.44 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:31.53 | abrotman | and for you . probably bugs.debian.org/locales |
| 01:31.54 | glor | jariep1_: what command gives you your error, and what is the error? Is apt confused or is some other setup not finding dialog? |
| 01:32.06 | ThePhrk | what debian is recommended for a older laptop that is basicly only going to run server monitor software |
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| 01:32.24 | abrotman | ThePhrk: stable |
| 01:32.30 | nsillik | any reason to update the kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.9 on an AMD64 system? |
| 01:32.31 | Gul3 | thanks. i'll try |
| 01:32.33 | phreakje | goodevening |
| 01:32.35 | abrotman | ThePhrk: what methods do you have to install? |
| 01:32.46 | dvs | nsillik: why not 2.6.10? |
| 01:32.50 | ThePhrk | i have a floppy and a cdrom |
| 01:32.55 | abrotman | ok .. good enough |
| 01:33.19 | wilito | Hi, I'm updating and I continue to get this error. Note: I am not behind a firewall and the install went fine. Can anyone help? |
| 01:33.22 | nsillik | dvs: it doesn't look like i have that option, not apt-get anyway |
| 01:33.31 | abrotman | wilito: that's an error? |
| 01:33.32 | jariep1_ | glor, it says that I have an old version of dialog. When I install dialog or reinstall it, firewall-jay starts automatically. At first it works, then it says that I have an old version and that I need to upgrade, then firewall-jay aborts |
| 01:33.34 | phreakje | does anybody know how to boot/identify from a Adaptec 2010S (lilo) |
| 01:33.37 | dvs | nsillik: Oh. Ok. It has to be premade. |
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| 01:34.12 | nsillik | dvs: i /could/ compile it myself, but, not unless there is an enormous advantage. i used to do it every time, now, not so much |
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| 01:34.49 | dvs | nsillik: If the stock kernels work for you, use them. |
| 01:34.54 | wilito | Error is as follows... Temp. failure resolving "Security.debian.org |
| 01:35.07 | abrotman | try a lower case 's' |
| 01:35.08 | nsillik | dvs: like a charm |
| 01:35.11 | Phated | jariep1_: I would recommend you file a bug on firewall-jay. |
| 01:35.12 | abrotman | dunno if that makes a difference |
| 01:35.16 | glor | jariep1_: sounds like a bug in firewall-jay, then. |
| 01:35.26 | abrotman | wilito: and it's temporary anyways . just continue |
| 01:35.27 | Guerin | jariep1_: why are you using jay's firewall instead of one of the very good and well-tested packages in debian? |
| 01:35.28 | bucky | ThePhrk, it uses the Aironet drivers from cisco.. if you can compile your own driver then it's supported |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | or fix your dns |
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| 01:36.07 | dondelelcaro | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5545611462 |
| 01:36.10 | glor | jariep1_: If what you're running is a shell script you might be able to search for your error message and figure out where it's misinterpreting the output of "dialog --version" |
| 01:36.11 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 01:36.18 | phreakje | hmmz |
| 01:36.19 | themolest | is it possible to boot to a md? |
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| 01:36.42 | themolest | or do you need to boot from /boot/ on a non md partiton? |
| 01:36.52 | Guerin | themolest: kicking doctors is not recommended. |
| 01:36.54 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: nice |
| 01:36.57 | mikkele | !possible |
| 01:36.57 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 01:37.04 | karim | hi |
| 01:37.08 | jariep1_ | glor, where can I learn to setup my firewall as a newbie? |
| 01:37.15 | karim | no device are created for my cdrom |
| 01:37.21 | karim | I use udev |
| 01:37.26 | wilito | thanxs |
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| 01:37.30 | karim | and the kernel detect it at boot |
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| 01:37.31 | jariep1_ | glor, I have 2 open ports |
| 01:37.32 | sgeigerb` | dpkg: I doubt anything is possible. |
| 01:37.32 | dpkg | sgeigerb`: what are you talking about? |
| 01:37.38 | mikkele | themolest: um didn't mean to be rude. it's possible but hard |
| 01:37.39 | karim | I can read it in dmesg |
| 01:37.44 | Kraig | man -k fstab? |
| 01:37.57 | jariep1_ | port 113 and port 22 are open on machine, glor |
| 01:38.00 | Guerin | jariep1_: apt-get install firehol |
| 01:38.03 | glor | jariep1_: I'm no firewall expert, but there are others in the channel. I use ipchains, there is a HOWTO |
| 01:38.10 | mikkele | themolest: you need an initrd, but it's kinda hard to make it |
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| 01:38.13 | karim | Kraig, there is no device file |
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| 01:38.26 | jariep1_ | glor, ipchains is for 2.2 kernels? |
| 01:38.27 | ThePhrk | sorry about that i was dropped ( crappy wireless connection) what would be the best debain on a 333 laptop with 64 meg of ram has both cdrom and floppy (stable or sarge) |
| 01:38.28 | phreakje | shame, that's little help |
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| 01:38.44 | rafx | jariep1_: apt-get shorewall or apt-get firehol. both are great 'wrappers' for iptables. |
| 01:38.47 | glor | jariep1_: I have a 2.2 kernel for hardware reasons. There is also a HOWTO for iptables |
| 01:38.56 | jariep1_ | glor, I was looking to learn how to setup iptables |
| 01:39.01 | jariep1_ | glor, ok |
| 01:39.04 | abrotman | ThePhrk: run stable |
| 01:39.14 | ThePhrk | abrotman: thank you |
| 01:39.16 | glor | jariep1_: I hear great 'wrappers' exist :) |
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| 01:39.27 | nsillik | hey, i may be getting an IMB iseries soon, is there a debian dist that will work on it? or am i going to have to buy suse/redhat? |
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| 01:39.37 | nsillik | *IBM (typo) |
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| 01:39.44 | sgeigerb` | Why isn't there a Debian package that sets up iptables so that an average desktop machine has some protection immediately upon install? |
| 01:39.48 | Phated | Yeah, how about sarge? |
| 01:39.48 | jariep1_ | glor, ok, thanks for the help |
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| 01:39.57 | sgeigerb` | ...without adding a bunch of other crap, that is. |
| 01:40.00 | rafx | jariep1_: highly recommend not hand-crafting iptables rules. shorewall and firehol will help you create many dozens of rules with only a few lines of configuration |
| 01:40.03 | Avantopia | y0! |
| 01:40.05 | glor | jariep1_: you're welcome |
| 01:40.05 | doub | sgeigerb`: uif does right that |
| 01:40.08 | Avantopia | I fixed the audio issue! |
| 01:40.08 | nsillik | Phated: was that for me? |
| 01:40.10 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: you mean like uninstalling all your services? |
| 01:40.12 | nite_fly | to host multiple websites is there any reason i would need more than 1 IP ? doig e-commerce |
| 01:40.13 | Guerin | nsillik: um, since all hardware is supported in the linux kernel, your choice of distro is largely irrelevant |
| 01:40.22 | nsillik | Avantopia: what was the problem? |
| 01:40.31 | Phated | nsillik: Yeah. |
| 01:40.32 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: maybe you should recommend one |
| 01:40.35 | mikkele | jariep1_: there is whole bunch of great documentation at netfilter.org |
| 01:40.36 | abrotman | Phated: you're alive! |
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| 01:40.46 | Phated | Yes, abrotman, I am. |
| 01:40.51 | nsillik | Guerin: yes, i know, but is there a pre-packaged debian-dist for ppc64 |
| 01:40.52 | Avantopia | I can now use gnome-volume-control... here is what the issue was... gsteamer-properties... it has the default settings of 'osssink' and 'osssrc' |
| 01:40.57 | xDCDx | doesn't gnome-terminal in latest unstable gnome autocomplete executable files in './' by default? how can I enable it ? |
| 01:41.08 | Avantopia | those need to be 'alsasink' and 'alsasrc' respectively |
| 01:41.09 | abrotman | !bashcompletion |
| 01:41.13 | abrotman | !bash completion |
| 01:41.16 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:41.17 | Avantopia | nsillik, persistence pays. |
| 01:41.18 | Guerin | abrotman: we had this discussion a few days ago. She didn't even know about the disaster. |
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| 01:41.34 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: I mean like blocking any incoming connections. A desktop system wouldn't need to allow any incoming connections by default. (maybe ssh or something...but, for crying out loud--there should be *something* to block initial attacks before you have time to set up a firewall.) |
| 01:41.40 | abrotman | xDCDx: no .. it doesn't .. you need to learn how to set environment variables |
| 01:41.44 | glor | xDCDx: that's a shell feature. Add "." to your PATH |
| 01:41.52 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: so write a iptables script .. and give it to them |
| 01:42.01 | Phated | Guerin: Asleep, no one woke me to yell at me about it. :/ |
| 01:42.07 | Guerin | nsillik: no, not for ppc64. I'm not aware of any distros which support it ootb, but I don't actually know much about that kind of hardware obscura. |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | Guerin: i would have thought she could feel a tremor .. but who knows |
| 01:42.20 | doub | sgeigerb`: again, the 'uif' package does exactly that (only allows ping and traceroute) |
| 01:42.20 | glor | xDCDx: Adding "." to your path is a bad idea. Consider making a "~/bin" or manually typing "./" |
| 01:42.30 | abrotman | Phated: and that wouldn't happen if you didn't sleep all day :) |
| 01:42.35 | xDCDx | yeah, I know I can add "." to my path, and I don't want to do it |
| 01:42.39 | sgeigerb` | doub: cool. |
| 01:42.40 | xDCDx | what I mean is |
| 01:42.41 | abrotman | well that's how you do it |
| 01:42.42 | abrotman | jeez |
| 01:42.48 | xDCDx | that I type "./conf<tab>" |
| 01:42.49 | nsillik | Guerin: i know on IBM's website it says that they will provide a version of suse or redhat, but i don't want to pay any money really... it's a gift, a toy iSeries |
| 01:42.49 | Guerin | abrotman: I would have thought the 10-metre waves travelling at 500kph just outside her windows would have given it away... |
| 01:42.54 | Phated | abrotman: As I stated then, I don't get fucking psychic news updates during my sleep. |
| 01:43.03 | abrotman | Phated: why not? |
| 01:43.04 | xDCDx | and it won't complete it to "./configure", while xterm and konsole both will |
| 01:43.17 | Phated | Guerin: 1) Singapore wasn't hit, and 2) I don't live on the coast, jeez. |
| 01:43.20 | abrotman | Guerin: you'd be surprised what some people can sleep through |
| 01:43.32 | Guerin | Phated: easy, tiger. Rrrawr, |
| 01:43.33 | Phated | Jesus CHRIST we were barely affected at all! |
| 01:43.36 | rafx | has anyone tried using apt-build to optimize sarge yet? is it reliable? http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 01:43.38 | Phated | Fucking hell. |
| 01:43.41 | abrotman | Guerin: i used to sleep on my dad's boat at a 30 degree angle and in 10ft waves |
| 01:43.52 | thegraham | When I send e-mails from machines in my network from my mailserver (debian) it takes ages to send (thunderbird says connecting to server for at least 40 seconds), and then the message sends fine. All I can see in the logs is "no host name found for IP address 192.168.0.1 |
| 01:43.52 | thegraham | ". Does anyone have any ideas whats wrong? I take it that I've messed up the config somehow |
| 01:44.04 | glor | xDCDx: You're dealing with the same shell in all three. All the terminal programs do is draw the window. |
| 01:44.14 | ThePhrk | thanks for the help take it easy all |
| 01:44.16 | nsillik | thegraham: have you tried 'localhost' |
| 01:44.16 | dvs | thegraham: Add an entry to your /etc/hosts file. |
| 01:44.19 | Anymous | Uhm .. is it true that there is no nvidia kernel for the 2.6.x kernel tree in Debian GNU/Linux Sarge?? |
| 01:44.21 | abrotman | thegraham: put your hostname if the server's /etc/hosts |
| 01:44.22 | mikkele | xDCDx: it works for me with ./conf<tab> maybe ./conf<tab><tab> if there are multiple possible completions |
| 01:44.30 | nsillik | thegraham: ignore what i just said |
| 01:45.01 | thegraham | I can't my machines get dynamic IP's |
| 01:45.13 | thegraham | that IP is the firewalls |
| 01:45.23 | sussudio | !confuse thegraham |
| 01:45.24 | dpkg | Yes, what is my bacon today, thegraham? shirts of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra ham |
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| 01:46.38 | xDCDx | you guys are right, none of the three consoles autocomplete executables |
| 01:46.49 | abrotman | duh |
| 01:46.51 | xDCDx | but this did not happened before I installed latest gnome |
| 01:47.01 | xDCDx | *did not happen |
| 01:47.05 | Guerin | nsillik: ok, having googled a bit: your options for ppc64 are essentially a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userspace |
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| 01:47.10 | Guerin | ah |
| 01:47.19 | glor | xDCDx: It's the shell. It's not the terminal. |
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| 01:47.34 | glor | xDCDx: nor gnome |
| 01:47.53 | Anymously | I think you might have overlooked my question... |
| 01:48.06 | Guerin | xDCDx: type 'help' and tell us what shell you're using |
| 01:48.07 | Phated | We're still trying to overlook your spelling. |
| 01:48.07 | Anymously | or I am impatient? |
| 01:48.15 | thegraham | Ive tried adding the host to /etc/hosts but it doesn't seem to be making a difference - do I need to restart exim? |
| 01:48.22 | Guerin | Anymously: it is true. |
| 01:48.34 | Anymously | Guerin Thanks. |
| 01:48.36 | abrotman | !nvidia drivers |
| 01:48.36 | dpkg | nvidia drivers are in nvidia-glx-src and nvidia-kernel-src , these are needed to run XF4 efficiently with an nvidia card such as the geforce |
| 01:48.41 | Anymously | Phated : hehe - thaanks |
| 01:48.46 | Guerin | Anymously: use module-assistant |
| 01:48.52 | xDCDx | bash 3.00.16 |
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| 01:49.10 | jariep1_ | how do I use apt to download a package but not to install it? |
| 01:49.13 | Phated | Hm, bash doesn't autocomplete executables? |
| 01:49.13 | Anymously | module-assistant? |
| 01:49.18 | abrotman | jariep1_: man apt-get |
| 01:49.20 | Phated | jariep1_: man apt-get. |
| 01:49.23 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 01:49.28 | Phated | abrotman: Jinx. |
| 01:49.28 | iratsu | a bunch of weird stuff started happening on my computer; my printer doesn't want to work anymore, gnome and my window manager are acting weird, my username isn't in my gdm list anymore and xemacs gives me a warning when i open it up, what could explain all this? |
| 01:49.42 | Guerin | Anymously: apt-cache search is your friend |
| 01:49.50 | xDCDx | my fault again, it did not work before installing gnome, it autocompletes as the root, won't autcomplete with my user account |
| 01:49.55 | abrotman | Phated: you owe me a soda |
| 01:50.07 | directhex | Anymously, there's no pre-made modules for 2.6, you make your own |
| 01:50.08 | Guerin | !vaguenessmite iratsu |
| 01:50.12 | sussudio | http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2004122906180001920800&dt=20041229061800&w=APO&coview= Mydaus Meliceps > Humaans |
| 01:50.19 | Guerin | !vaguenesssmite iratsu |
| 01:50.32 | Kraig | heh |
| 01:50.33 | abrotman | !vagueness |
| 01:50.33 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
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| 01:50.45 | directhex | Anymously, apt-get install build-essential nvidia-kernel-source module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 01:50.47 | Anymously | Oh .. btw .. grub forgot about windows xp on the computer ... is that fixable, or is he going to make a quicking switch to gnu/linux than he planned. |
| 01:50.47 | Kraig | i'm still alive |
| 01:50.49 | jariep1_ | what's the url for the debian repository? |
| 01:51.05 | directhex | Anymously, and install nvidia-glx as well, for the actual driver part, if you lack it |
| 01:51.07 | iratsu | well the warning xemacs gives me is "(1) (warning/warning) Autoload error in: /usr/share/xemacs21/mule-packages/lisp/latin-unity/auto-autoloads: |
| 01:51.07 | iratsu | Cannot open load file: cl-macs |
| 01:51.07 | iratsu | " |
| 01:51.09 | Guerin | jariep1_: jesushfuckingchristonrollerblades |
| 01:51.12 | abrotman | jariep1_: for what? |
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| 01:51.18 | abrotman | !vagueness |
| 01:51.18 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 01:51.26 | Anymously | directhex : Yeah .. but I need to wait that, because it depends on nvidia kernel. |
| 01:51.28 | Guerin | jariep1_: are you capable of doing ANYTHING for yourself? |
| 01:51.37 | Phated | jariep1_: How about the one you ALREADY HAVE? |
| 01:51.58 | iratsu | and my taskbar in gnome doesn't work, also focus doesn't switch to another window if i click on it, only if i click on its titlebar |
| 01:52.05 | green_earz | jariep1_: you can use apt-setup to pick a apt-get url |
| 01:52.11 | Guerin | iratsu: what did you change? |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | or upgrade |
| 01:52.16 | thegraham | jariep1_: apt-get -d install <package name>, try apt-get --help for more info |
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| 01:52.24 | jariep1_ | Is it possible to manually retrieve a deb file from an ftp site, or is this not possible to do? I can only use apt? |
| 01:52.25 | iratsu | Guerin: last thing i did was an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:52.33 | glor | xDCDx: Does meta-/ work? (You may have to do ESC, then /) |
| 01:52.43 | Guerin | iratsu: from what to what ... and what was upgraded? |
| 01:52.46 | Phated | iratsu: Without using apt-listbugs, no doubt. |
| 01:52.47 | directhex | jariep1_, you can browse it with an ftp/http client, and download the .deb, if you want to |
| 01:52.54 | Guerin | !tell jariep1_ about pdo |
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| 01:53.36 | iratsu | Guerin: i don't quite remember, is there a way i can reach logs? |
| 01:53.42 | iratsu | Phated: what is that? |
| 01:53.54 | Phated | *sigh* |
| 01:53.58 | xDCDx | glor: it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 01:54.02 | Phated | Sometimes you just wish you were proven wrong. |
| 01:54.16 | Phated | iratsu: Say you're not using sid, please, just tell us you're not using sid. |
| 01:54.19 | Anymously | ok .. he got his windows xp back. |
| 01:54.20 | thegraham | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.24 | abrotman | yes? |
| 01:54.28 | iratsu | Phated: i am |
| 01:54.32 | Guerin | iratsu: no. |
| 01:54.33 | Phated | Oh fucking hell. |
| 01:54.51 | Guerin | iratsu: apt doesn't keep logs; if you want logging, use aptitude. |
| 01:54.51 | Phated | iratsu: YOu do know that several packages that are likely to be installed on sid right now are buggy. |
| 01:54.52 | thegraham | abrotman: I've added the firewall's IP to /etc/hosts but it hasn't made any difference. Any other ideas? |
| 01:54.56 | jariep1_ | Thank you all for your help |
| 01:54.59 | jariep1_ | :) |
| 01:55.07 | iratsu | Phated: yes |
| 01:55.09 | Guerin | iratsu: and why aren't you using apt-listbugs? |
| 01:55.10 | abrotman | thegraham: how did you add it? |
| 01:55.18 | keith_ | As anewbie, How do I stop my desktop logging out automatically to the login screen after 10 mins or so. Debian 3.0r2 |
| 01:55.23 | sgeigerb` | ;-) |
| 01:55.31 | Phated | iratsu: See what Guerin said. |
| 01:55.33 | glor | xDCDx: The problem is that root and your user are using different bash startup files, and the user's startup file breaks autocompletion. |
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| 01:55.42 | iratsu | Guerin: what is that? |
| 01:55.44 | nvz | sgeigerb`: what good would it do anyhow |
| 01:56.13 | thegraham | abrotman: 192.168.0.1 firewall, as a new line |
| 01:56.13 | Guerin | iratsu: it's just what it sounds like, and you should install it immediately |
| 01:56.22 | glor | xDCDx: look at .bashrc and .bash_profile |
| 01:56.27 | iratsu | Guerin: ok |
| 01:56.28 | abrotman | thegraham: iirc .. need 3 columns |
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| 01:56.37 | abrotman | thegraham: you should see a different error message if it worked |
| 01:56.44 | abrotman | thegraham: and you're adding this on the server right? |
| 01:56.54 | thegraham | abrotman: yes |
| 01:57.01 | glor | xDCDx: there's lots of info in the bash man page and info page, perhaps you can find how it's been turned off |
| 01:57.05 | hanasaki | just put a new 120gig hd in for data on hdd .. cfdisk shows it as 33.8 gig. any idea why and how to fix it? |
| 01:57.05 | glor | xDCDx: good luck |
| 01:57.13 | sgeigerb` | keith_: Check your environment variables for TMOUT (do "env | grep -i TMOUT") Are you using logoutd? syslogout? |
| 01:57.45 | abrotman | hanasaki: which kernel .. and how old is your bios? |
| 01:58.09 | hanasaki | kerne = 2.6.8 |
| 01:58.17 | hanasaki | bios.. not sure.. i think 2001 |
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| 01:58.22 | thegraham | abrotman: I added the /etc/hosts on the server, and the exim mainlog doesn't have the error message any more, but it still takes ages to send |
| 01:58.26 | Anymously | ok .. its bedtime here.. thanks for the info :) |
| 01:58.34 | abrotman | thegraham: why? |
| 01:58.43 | abrotman | thegraham: if you're not sure .. ask #exim for a lead perhaps |
| 01:58.52 | sgeigerb` | keith_: ?? |
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| 01:59.05 | abrotman | hanasaki: maybe the bios is too old .. not sure |
| 01:59.19 | abrotman | hanasaki: try #hardware .. see if they think it's the bios |
| 01:59.19 | thegraham | abrotman: I was hoping someone here could give me a hand working out why! I'll ask in exim thanks |
| 01:59.20 | SlimeyPete | hanasaki: I'd guess at the cylinder/sector/head settings being wrong... check that your BIOS is recognising them correctly. If it is, then IIRC there's a way to tell fdisk what they are too. |
| 01:59.36 | glor | This is a non-Debian question but I get good help in here. I have an old machine whos on-board graphics chip seems to have failed while it was in storage; when it boots it gives some message about an ATI pseudo EDO BIOS and doesn't reach the motherboard POST. The question is whether finding some old PCI graphics card might make it work, or whether I'm just fucked. |
| 01:59.38 | abrotman | thegraham: sorry .. reverse dns usually fixes crap like that |
| 01:59.39 | directhex | hmmmmm, not sure, a recent kernel should ignore bios-imposed CSH limits |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: i'm thick and long? |
| 02:00.03 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:00.03 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: Ein Brotmann |
| 02:00.08 | abrotman | ah |
| 02:00.08 | hanasaki | no idea hwat he settings should be. its just a data disk not boot. is there a way i can turn off the biso stuff and just let linux do thigns the right way? |
| 02:00.20 | abrotman | dunno |
| 02:00.28 | SlimeyPete | glor: depends if it looks at onboard gfx before PCI. If it does, you're screwed. If not, it might work... |
| 02:00.49 | SlimeyPete | hanasaki: they're probably written on the disk, or on the manufacturer's website |
| 02:01.06 | directhex | hanasaki, not touched jumpers on the drive at all? it might have a 32gb limit jumper |
| 02:01.13 | SlimeyPete | yeah, good point |
| 02:01.26 | hanasaki | hmmm i will look for hat jumper and aslo in hardware |
| 02:01.26 | hanasaki | thanks |
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| 02:02.31 | xDCDx | glor: thanks |
| 02:02.34 | fusion | I have just compiled and installed a package for kernel 2.6.10 and I have no /initrd.img -- can anyone help me with setting up lilo? |
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| 02:03.02 | glor | SlimeyPete: good point. There is a network card whos blinkenlights work correctly. Perhaps there is hope. |
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| 02:03.05 | sussudio | !2.6.10 |
| 02:03.05 | dpkg | 2.6 |
| 02:03.11 | sussudio | o_O |
| 02:03.12 | dvs | fusion: Just add a line "initr=/<filename>" to that kernel stanza. Then run /sbin/lilo |
| 02:03.34 | glor | xDCDx: you're welcome |
| 02:03.45 | dvs | fusion: *initrd |
| 02:03.50 | abrotman | !2.6 |
| 02:03.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, 2.6 is http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/11/106/index.html, http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html, or /msg dpkg kp, or now stable enough for critical production systems, or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt, or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm, or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6 |
| 02:03.59 | iratsu | Guerin: well there doesn't seem to be any bug with xemacs |
| 02:04.16 | fusion | sorry..kernel stanza? |
| 02:04.18 | Phated | Or something that xemacs depends on, perhaps? |
| 02:04.33 | dvs | fusion: Where it says "image=" |
| 02:04.47 | fusion | ah yes but there is no initrd for it |
| 02:04.51 | dvs | fusion: after that. |
| 02:04.58 | Guerin | iratsu: it's probably a bug with something else, that it manifesting through xemacs; or it may be just that nobody's reported it yet |
| 02:05.00 | dvs | fusion: add it |
| 02:05.09 | glor | SlimeyPete: It's almost a shame you gave cogent advice; I was secretly hoping for a rousing chorus of "you're fucked" |
| 02:05.10 | iratsu | Guerin: i see |
| 02:05.12 | Guerin | iratsu: are you using one of the shiny gnome-xemacs packages? |
| 02:05.12 | fusion | dvs: I mean the file does not exist..... |
| 02:05.22 | fusion | there is only /initrd.old |
| 02:05.27 | IsaacX | theres this software . . . that follows make install, after you've compiled a program, and turns the output into a debian, redhat or slackware package, does anyone know what its called? |
| 02:05.38 | dvs | fusion: is there a /boot/initrd...? |
| 02:05.49 | Guerin | IsaacX: there's lots of software that does that. You might be thinking of checkinstall |
| 02:05.54 | IsaacX | yes |
| 02:05.57 | IsaacX | thats it |
| 02:06.02 | IsaacX | ok |
| 02:06.06 | iratsu | Guerin: no |
| 02:06.12 | iratsu | Guerin: should i? |
| 02:06.32 | Guerin | iratsu: I just wondered if that might be tied in with your other gnome fuckups |
| 02:06.41 | iratsu | Guerin: oh... hmm |
| 02:07.02 | Guerin | iratsu: but baasically, since I don't use gnome or xemacs, and my sid boxen all work fine, you get to troubleshoot this one on your own |
| 02:07.05 | iratsu | Guerin: well i don't get the warning in -nw mode, so it probably is |
| 02:07.07 | fusion | dvs: Only initrd.img-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 02:07.10 | green_earz | fusion: when you compiled the kerene did you us with a --initrd ? |
| 02:07.24 | dvs | fusion: That's not the one you want? |
| 02:07.27 | thegraham | well no one is around on #exim, so unless anyone else has any ideas (please!) I'm off |
| 02:07.37 | fusion | ah.. nope.. I thought selecting "initrd" in the options would do it |
| 02:07.42 | fusion | dvs: 2.6.10 :/ |
| 02:07.43 | iratsu | Guerin: it's not obstructing my work right now, so it doesn't really matter, i'll just wait until someone fixes it, thanks for your help |
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| 02:08.03 | dvs | fusion: I couldn't tell you where that initrd image is. |
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| 02:08.15 | dvs | fusion: If it ain't in /boot |
| 02:08.25 | fusion | ok so I go make-kpkg buildpackage -rev Custom.1 kernel_image --initrd ? |
| 02:08.39 | Guerin | !tell fusion about kp mantra |
| 02:08.58 | Avantopia | how do I set the font to use for gtk applications in debian? I don't mean using the 'gnome-font-properties' application. I mean the fonts that are used with gtk1? type applications. |
| 02:08.59 | dvs | fusion: make-kpkg --initrd -rev=Custom.1 kernel_image |
| 02:09.24 | dvs | fusion: I'm not sure about the "buildpackage" part. |
| 02:09.42 | fusion | I see |
| 02:09.42 | tds | Whats the best way to call nameif during boot? |
| 02:09.53 | sussudio | tds: in a high falsetto voice |
| 02:09.53 | fusion | Thanks |
| 02:10.15 | dvs | fusion: good luck. |
| 02:10.21 | green_earz | fusion: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 02:10.22 | tds | sussudio: i keep doing that, but it does not seem to work:-) |
| 02:10.29 | Avantopia | fusion, my 'kernel mantra' is >> make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd |
| 02:10.39 | Avantopia | fusion, works fine like that. |
| 02:10.50 | Kepplar | anyone got any idea to why my internets all spacky. Had to turn off my routing computer (sarge), which utalises pppoe. now i finally got my machine working elsewhere, but like google works, i can ssh into a few places, but i cant resolve most places |
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| 02:12.02 | simonrvn | @dict spacky |
| 02:12.04 | ravenbird | could not find definition for spacky |
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| 02:12.22 | sussudio | @dict cheney |
| 02:12.25 | ravenbird | could not find definition for cheney |
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| 02:12.41 | keith_ | sgeigerb`: Thanks. I'll check those points out. |
| 02:12.44 | simonrvn | heh |
| 02:12.47 | toptnc | hi all |
| 02:13.09 | simonrvn | @dict bush |
| 02:13.15 | toptnc | wuaht is the environment variable with the exit value of the previous command? |
| 02:13.22 | toptnc | sorry, what |
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| 02:13.35 | simonrvn | bush: blah blah blah, first of which is a bird |
| 02:14.01 | fusion | Hm It gives me a warning about cramfs and initrd, is 2.6.10 fixed with this? I got this from kernel.org sources, not debian packages |
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| 02:14.33 | fuzzball | hey. how would i install gnome on debian3.0? |
| 02:14.34 | fusion | and I enabled cramfs in the configuration |
| 02:15.15 | fuzzball | i did something like, "apt-get install gnome" |
| 02:15.15 | fuzzball | this doesnt work though |
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| 02:15.15 | fusion | apt-get update |
| 02:15.15 | fusion | have you done that first? |
| 02:15.19 | fuzzball | no.. what does that do? |
| 02:15.25 | fusion | updates apt sources |
| 02:15.37 | fusion | if apt sources arent up to date it wont be able to find the file |
| 02:15.40 | fuzzball | okay. let me try that |
| 02:15.40 | fuzzball | yeah |
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| 02:16.17 | simonrvn | fuzzball: your nick is how i look right now |
| 02:16.46 | Phated | simonrvn is a fuzzball? |
| 02:17.03 | fuzzball | heheh |
| 02:17.20 | fuzzball | i am undoubtedly a fuzzball |
| 02:17.26 | Guerin | fuzzball: apt-cache search gnome |
| 02:17.32 | Phated | But is simonrvn a fuzzball? |
| 02:17.37 | Guerin | fuzzball: but chances are you don't want gnome on woody |
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| 02:17.46 | simonrvn | woody,s is 1.4 |
| 02:17.50 | fuzzball | what would i rather have, Guerin? |
| 02:17.51 | simonrvn | '* |
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| 02:18.05 | brandon_ | I'm ssh'ed to another system and running an X program.. display is localhost:10.0 but it's not connecting and I'm not sure what locations affect this |
| 02:18.06 | fuzzball | it still cant find gnome after i did apt-get update |
| 02:18.26 | brandon_ | obviously the ssh is going through the iptables setup on that system.. and it's going through ssh so I figure that system's okay (maybe) |
| 02:18.35 | fusion | did you apt-cache search gnome afterwards? |
| 02:18.50 | fuzzball | no... i guess i'll do that now |
| 02:18.54 | brandon_ | that system's a redhat system.. |
| 02:19.10 | brandon_ | what's debian (sarge) use for firewalling anyway? |
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| 02:19.47 | green_earz | brandon_: as the server been X enabled in ssh config and are you usings ssh -X |
| 02:19.54 | qazix | omfg, someone's running a tor server on a home cable connection. It's really gone mainstream now. >_< |
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| 02:20.08 | brandon_ | green, checking |
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| 02:20.12 | fuzzball | well, apt-cache search gnome just showed me a bunch of stuff |
| 02:20.25 | fuzzball | did that load all those things for installation? |
| 02:20.28 | Phated | Isn't it gnome-desktop-environment or somesuch in woody? |
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| 02:20.35 | npx | Does anyone know if there are any pieces of x86 virtualisation software (commercial or otherwise) that support or plan on supporting 3D? |
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| 02:20.45 | fusion | fuzzball: no, find the one that corresponds to gnome |
| 02:20.50 | fusion | it might be called something like gnome3 |
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| 02:20.54 | fusion | or whatever |
| 02:21.00 | Bonzo_ | hello. can anyone tell how to configure internet in Debian? |
| 02:21.04 | Bonzo_ | *me |
| 02:21.06 | fuzzball | dhclient |
| 02:21.09 | brandon_ | the -X is the problem, green.. thanks |
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| 02:21.17 | green_earz | ok |
| 02:21.52 | fusion | dvs: did you manually get a patch when updating to 2.6.10 for initrd? this is giving me a warning about it..... |
| 02:22.05 | dvs | fusion: I don't use initrd. |
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| 02:22.45 | brandon_ | Wonder if I care if someone monitors my keystrokes |
| 02:22.59 | fusion | dvs: oh..what do you use? |
| 02:23.11 | brandon_ | I'm behind a gw/router... but wondering about enabling ForwardX11Trusted... |
| 02:23.12 | dvs | fusion: Not initrd. I use kernel modules. |
| 02:23.25 | fusion | oh |
| 02:23.32 | brandon_ | what would require the trusted access anyway? |
| 02:23.39 | directhex | npx, none exists, it's rumoured to be in the next major version of microsoft virtualpc for macos x |
| 02:23.52 | fuzzball | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianGnome |
| 02:23.54 | fusion | fuzzball: apt-get install gnome should work |
| 02:24.00 | fuzzball | yeah |
| 02:24.06 | npx | directhex, interesting. |
| 02:24.06 | fusion | it does on mine |
| 02:24.19 | fuzzball | i dont think that here is a gnome for HPPA RISC machines or something |
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| 02:24.24 | brandon_ | (a bit off topic, but very important.. I wish two things worked--suspend/hibernate on my laptop, and [2] my wireless pcmcia card B) |
| 02:24.28 | npx | Tax return time, I'm getting a shiny new dual G5 =) |
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| 02:24.56 | abrotman | oh yeah .. i forgot about that!~ |
| 02:25.00 | abrotman | npx: you rule! |
| 02:25.07 | abrotman | i wonder how much i'll get back |
| 02:25.42 | fuzzball | what are some other GUIs available for Debian? |
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| 02:25.50 | abrotman | fuzzball: other than what? |
| 02:25.51 | fuzzball | aside from gnome... |
| 02:25.52 | abrotman | !guis |
| 02:25.52 | npx | abrotman this was my first year working, I claimed 0 and omfg, the feds take almost 20% of my income! |
| 02:26.06 | abrotman | npx: you get off light .. you must not make too mcuh |
| 02:26.13 | npx | fuzzball, I like to use KDE |
| 02:26.18 | npx | abrotman like I said, my first year working |
| 02:26.28 | green_earz | fuzzball: kde-core for a lighter install or kde |
| 02:26.29 | npx | I cleared about $20k after taxes this year |
| 02:26.30 | fuzzball | let's see if i can get kde to go |
| 02:26.30 | abrotman | npx: i claim 0 also .. the tax returns kick ass |
| 02:26.39 | fuzzball | kde-core roger that |
| 02:26.55 | mash | A discussion about the new release of Debian "sarge", in #Debian3,0 |
| 02:26.57 | npx | fuzzball, I highly suggest kde-multimedia, also |
| 02:26.58 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 02:26.58 | dpkg | install kde is, like, In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 02:27.14 | abrotman | fuzzball: xfce4 is nice also |
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| 02:27.42 | npx | The last few times I've tried just using 'apt-get install kde' it hasn't worked (in unstable). |
| 02:27.43 | fuzzball | crap, kde isnt there either |
| 02:27.53 | abrotman | fuzzball: in sarge? |
| 02:27.57 | fuzzball | in woody |
| 02:28.02 | abrotman | oh .. yeah . it's not |
| 02:28.04 | abrotman | !kde |
| 02:28.04 | dpkg | methinks kde is a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.3.0. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details. for woody check out http://www.apt-get.org/, or not a window manager |
| 02:28.08 | abrotman | hmm .. |
| 02:28.09 | abrotman | that's not right |
| 02:28.16 | mash | A discussion about the new release of Debian "sarge", in #Debian3,0 |
| 02:28.17 | green_earz | fuzzball: check out apt-setup to pick another apt-get source |
| 02:28.34 | mash | ------- A discussion about the new release of Debian "sarge", in #Debian3,0 |
| 02:28.36 | abrotman | fuzzball: apt-get install konqueror kdm .. should get most of it |
| 02:28.40 | fuzzball | i have all the iso's dled and burned |
| 02:28.43 | jcarr_ | bah.. what's that command to add a job to cron? |
| 02:28.45 | jcarr_ | crontab> |
| 02:28.46 | abrotman | mash: you're an idiot |
| 02:28.47 | jcarr_ | ? |
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| 02:28.50 | mash | pleaaaaase ------- A discussion about the new release of Debian "sarge", in #Debian3,0 |
| 02:28.52 | jcarr_ | I thought it was at least |
| 02:29.02 | abrotman | mash: sarge is not debian 3.0 |
| 02:29.06 | npx | mash I hate your face |
| 02:29.10 | jcarr_ | mash, hehehehehehe |
| 02:29.17 | mash | but enter please |
| 02:29.24 | mash | it's the same |
| 02:29.25 | abrotman | no |
| 02:29.26 | mash | no prob ;) |
| 02:29.28 | jcarr_ | no! because it is not the correct version number |
| 02:29.32 | sussudio | mash: foad. |
| 02:29.33 | abrotman | mash: you're an idiot |
| 02:29.42 | abrotman | either talk here .. or be quiet |
| 02:29.42 | MobyTurbo | mash: sarge is 3.1, if you don't know that you've never run sarge. |
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| 02:29.59 | jcarr_ | bah.. real men run sid... |
| 02:30.04 | jcarr_ | nightly automatic updates... |
| 02:30.07 | npx | amen to that jcarr_ |
| 02:30.09 | jcarr_ | on production servers... |
| 02:30.09 | mash | so, try in #Debian31,0 |
| 02:30.15 | abrotman | god dman it .. shut up |
| 02:30.27 | jcarr_ | responsible for handling millions of credit card transactions a day! :P |
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| 02:30.40 | Guerin | jcarr_: without backups |
| 02:30.42 | abrotman | mash: talk here about sarge . that's what this place is for |
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| 02:30.47 | npx | without reboots! |
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| 02:30.52 | Phated | On reiserfs...? |
| 02:30.59 | Guerin | npx: uptime++ |
| 02:31.01 | npx | there are other filesystems?! |
| 02:31.09 | Guerin | Phated: ooh, that's going too far |
| 02:31.20 | yxa | no, JFS |
| 02:31.20 | mash | reiserfs sucks! |
| 02:31.21 | Phated | Guerin: Oh come on! It's just the same as going without backups. |
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| 02:31.31 | classko | yeah jfs.. |
| 02:31.32 | sussudio | Geert: joining a channel with a comma in it will disconnect you, right? |
| 02:31.36 | raghu | i have debian base system installed on my laptop i want xp to be installed ..how do i do it? |
| 02:31.54 | mash | sussudio: no, why? |
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| 02:31.54 | npx | raghu /j #Windows |
| 02:31.55 | jcarr_ | Guerin, real men know the perfect backup is the human mind |
| 02:32.00 | Geert | sussudio: depends on the client |
| 02:32.06 | sussudio | Geert: /lastlog mash |
| 02:32.07 | Geert | sussudio: irssi can handle /join #one,#two,#three |
| 02:32.10 | Guerin | jcarr_: w0rd. |
| 02:32.12 | Geert | sussudio: mIRC crap :P |
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| 02:32.47 | raghu | npx: thx |
| 02:32.51 | jcarr_ | hmmm... works in xchat too |
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| 02:32.54 | npx | If anyone is in the market for a new CRT, Samsung's are really damn good looking |
| 02:32.56 | jcarr_ | I was unaware |
| 02:32.59 | raghu | npx: but sorry i am in both channel |
| 02:33.03 | Geert | :) |
| 02:33.12 | npx | I'm just blown the fuck away by how good the image quality is on this thing |
| 02:33.51 | npx | It's apparently magnetically shielded, too - I can put a shelf speaker on top of it with no guassian gayness |
| 02:34.28 | abrotman | gaussian |
| 02:34.39 | npx | my bad |
| 02:35.37 | green_earz | raghu: its better of to install microsoft first then debian , if microsoft go on second it will wipe out the linux boot loader lilo or grub, i think in microsoft that you need to boot linux ? |
| 02:36.04 | Ericos | exit |
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| 02:36.26 | IsaacX | can someone tell me where the icons for firefox are located? |
| 02:36.31 | npx | You can always boot with the rescue image from your install CDs and re-run lilo (or re-install grub) |
| 02:36.38 | Guerin | !mhallsmite people who use Sc��p Script 2 |
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| 02:36.39 | dpkg | Fuck people who use Sc��p Script 2. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 02:36.52 | abrotman | IsaacX: you need to tell us your DE and if you installed menu |
| 02:36.58 | npx | But, yes, installing windows first is a good idea. I've also had bad experiences when I didn't put windows (9x) on hda1 |
| 02:37.26 | mfergus | how do I change the config on cups... origionally set up to use A4 paper... need to update to 8.5/11 letter |
| 02:37.27 | initech | npx: if you want windows at all ... :) |
| 02:37.38 | Guerin | not installing windows is the best way to immunise yourself against those sort of errors |
| 02:37.38 | npx | initech of course |
| 02:37.40 | sussudio | !tell mfergus about cups |
| 02:38.13 | npx | fluxbox with a simple menu is actually way easier for idiots to use than windows |
| 02:38.23 | IsaacX | abrotman: menu? |
| 02:38.24 | green_earz | mfergus: http://localhost:631/ |
| 02:38.55 | karim | just a question, |
| 02:38.58 | karim | talking out of your ass |
| 02:39.11 | karim | I am not sure exactly what this mean |
| 02:39.20 | karim | or if it's the correct expression |
| 02:39.32 | karim | :) |
| 02:39.56 | IsaacX | abrotman: whats menu? |
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| 02:40.17 | abrotman | !menu |
| 02:40.18 | dpkg | it has been said that menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
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| 02:40.26 | fuzzball | if i do "apt-get install gaim-gnome", will it install gnome if it hasnt been installed already?? |
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| 02:40.40 | kenboo | anyone knows if RPgSQL is debnied? apt-cache search or dpkg doesn't know anything |
| 02:40.42 | The_Vulture | fuzzball: it'll install whatever is necessary to run gaim-gnome |
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| 02:40.45 | abrotman | IsaacX: which WM/DE are you using? |
| 02:40.52 | The_Vulture | if that's the gnome DM, then it'll bring that in.. |
| 02:40.58 | The_Vulture | apt-cache show gaim-gnome to see deps.. |
| 02:40.58 | raghu | fuzzball:: yes |
| 02:41.11 | etjg | I just installed debian and compiled 2.6.10 on it wih iptables support, for some reason though clients behind my debian router can't get to the internet, any ideas? |
| 02:41.27 | MobyTurbo | fuzzball: only some GNOME libraries. |
| 02:41.35 | simonrvn | !any ideas |
| 02:41.35 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of string, a little WD-40, and 42 three-legged kittens. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 02:41.37 | raghu | green_earz: thx |
| 02:41.49 | etjg | btw /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is set to 1 |
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| 02:42.24 | simonrvn | etjg: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 02:42.43 | etjg | simonrvn i've got that in there |
| 02:42.54 | mfergus | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.58 | smoser_ | anyone know how you set up "per process namespaces" ? ie, as seen here: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0102.3/0104.html |
| 02:43.06 | Guerin | etjg: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 02:43.49 | etjg | Guerin is that necessary if i have iptables? |
| 02:43.59 | justin | smoser_: you realize that email is 4 years old right? |
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| 02:44.30 | smoser_ | justin, actually didn't realize that. but per-process namespaces did get integrated into 2.6 |
| 02:44.30 | abrotman | justin: do you think that matters ? :) |
| 02:44.54 | initech | mfergus: /etc/papersize, among others, also the printer can be configured in cups to default to letter, and several other places. it's a pain in the ass |
| 02:44.59 | green_earz | raghu: no problem and for a bit more debian check out > for the sarge net installer >http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20041228/ |
| 02:45.14 | smoser_ | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.3/1562.html theres a more recent post. |
| 02:45.27 | simonrvn | etjg: set SNAT in POSTROUTING to your main ip |
| 02:45.29 | mfergus | init: you rock... |
| 02:45.29 | fusion | why might I have a "kernel-source-2.6.10" package shown in apt but none of my sources have it in their /pool directories? |
| 02:45.46 | mfergus | inittech: update it to "letter" and I'll be set, right? |
| 02:45.56 | smoser_ | I'd like to learn more about this, but it doesn't seem like there is much available in terms of documentation |
| 02:45.57 | benjamindees | is putty a 'telnets' client ? |
| 02:46.01 | initech | mfergus: for most things |
| 02:46.04 | abrotman | !putty |
| 02:46.05 | dpkg | from memory, putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ |
| 02:46.21 | justin | benjamindees: what does the putty web page say it is? |
| 02:46.25 | mfergus | inittech: what type of things would that not help on? |
| 02:46.28 | justin | oh well |
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| 02:47.05 | raghu | green_earz : i have net installer dude....i installed base system from it :) |
| 02:47.10 | Gumby | can anyone here help me. I have set my system date, time, and locale but everytime I reboot the PC (or sometimes even just restart X) the tz gets reset to UTC. How can I make it PST permanently |
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| 02:47.53 | abrotman | Gumby: check .. uhm ... /etc/default/rcS |
| 02:47.59 | vladster | what file controls the run level that debian boots into? |
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| 02:48.26 | Gumby | abrotman: ... |
| 02:48.27 | Gumby | # Set UTC=yes if your system clock is set to UTC (GMT), and UTC=no if not. |
| 02:48.28 | Gumby | UTC=no |
| 02:49.21 | abrotman | what is your bios clock setto? |
| 02:49.29 | raghu | Gumby: read manpage of hwclock |
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| 02:49.59 | Gumby | Ive never had this problem before with any distro on this laptop |
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| 02:50.15 | abrotman | Gumby: cat /etc/timezone |
| 02:50.31 | Gumby | terry@laptop:~$ cat /etc/timezone |
| 02:50.31 | Gumby | America/Vancouver |
| 02:50.35 | Gumby | which is correct |
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| 02:50.37 | abrotman | is that right? |
| 02:51.05 | Gumby | but if I open kcontrol and have a look at the tz it shows UTC as does the "date" command |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 02:51.16 | abrotman | wait |
| 02:51.18 | fuzzball | if i have gnome installed how do i start it from the command line? |
| 02:51.21 | abrotman | what does `date` return ? |
| 02:51.27 | Gumby | Thu Dec 30 02:49:39 UTC 2004 |
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| 02:52.05 | abrotman | Gumby: this isn't making sense |
| 02:52.09 | doub | fuzzball: if it's the only desktop environment installed, startx |
| 02:52.15 | initech | Gumby: you ran "tzconfig"? |
| 02:52.16 | fuzzball | startx |
| 02:52.17 | abrotman | Gumby: if you run `hwclock` what does it say? |
| 02:52.20 | fuzzball | thanks doob |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | initech: his TZ is correct |
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| 02:52.35 | vladster | what file controls the run level that debian boots into? |
| 02:52.50 | fuzzball | in which folder does startx traditionally reside? |
| 02:52.52 | Gumby | Thu 30 Dec 2004 02:50:57 AM UTC -0.529839 seconds |
| 02:52.57 | [Cadet] | vladster: same one that other linux distros use |
| 02:52.57 | doub | vladster: /etc/inittab |
| 02:53.15 | abrotman | Gumby: something is completely biffed |
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| 02:53.17 | vladster | I tried finding it |
| 02:53.19 | Gumby | abrotman: lol |
| 02:53.20 | Gumby | great |
| 02:53.26 | doub | fuzzball: whereis startx |
| 02:53.42 | abrotman | Gumby: run tzconfig .. |
| 02:53.44 | fuzzball | doub, right whereis startx? |
| 02:53.55 | Gumby | Your current time zone is set to America/Vancouver |
| 02:53.55 | Gumby | Do you want to change that? [n]: |
| 02:54.02 | doub | fuzzball: just run "whereis startx" it'll tell you |
| 02:54.09 | abrotman | Gumby: this is so weird |
| 02:54.10 | fuzzball | oh |
| 02:54.15 | Gumby | Your default time zone is set to 'America/Vancouver'. |
| 02:54.15 | Gumby | Local time is now: Wed Dec 29 18:52:17 PST 2004. |
| 02:54.15 | Gumby | Universal Time is now: Thu Dec 30 02:52:17 UTC 2004. |
| 02:54.16 | abrotman | Gumby: what does 'date' return ? |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | now what does it return |
| 02:54.26 | Gumby | I chose yes then chose america/vancouver again |
| 02:54.34 | Gumby | Wed Dec 29 18:52:42 PST 2004 |
| 02:54.38 | Guerin | Gumby: why are you pasting shit? |
| 02:54.39 | Nyle | fuzzball, man X | man startx | maybe look into xdm/kdm/gdm perhaps |
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| 02:54.49 | abrotman | Guerin: he's bored :) |
| 02:54.49 | Gumby | Guerin: cause I can? |
| 02:54.59 | Gumby | and I was asked what the commands returned |
| 02:55.04 | Guerin | Gumby: i thought it was because you were a useless fuckwit. |
| 02:55.10 | abrotman | not what tzconfig says |
| 02:55.13 | abrotman | just what date says |
| 02:55.13 | Gumby | Guerin: it could be that as well |
| 02:55.15 | doub | fuzzball: but if that's tuning x startup scripts, you'd best "man startx" |
| 02:55.36 | abrotman | anyways |
| 02:55.40 | Nyle | ouch! |
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| 02:55.52 | Nyle | i type with that! |
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| 02:56.01 | abrotman | better than the other poker |
| 02:56.04 | Guerin | now bunny has it |
| 02:56.05 | Nyle | very true |
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| 02:56.18 | Guerin | you'll never get it back, bunny is the Devourer of Worlds |
| 02:56.23 | Nyle | hehe |
| 02:56.34 | Gumby | abrotman: well, hopefully this holds the next time I reboot |
| 02:56.34 | Nyle | I'll grow another one, I have miracle finger grow |
| 02:56.45 | Guerin | it's just more food for bunny |
| 02:57.09 | npx | hmm |
| 02:57.10 | abrotman | Gumby: does `date` return the right thing? |
| 02:57.16 | npx | I dunno what I missed, and I'm not sure I want to. |
| 02:57.17 | abrotman | !bunny |
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| 02:57.32 | scarynetworkguy | Bun-Bun! |
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| 02:57.39 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: cheese? |
| 02:57.57 | initech | Guerin: are you gonna eat that rabbit or what? |
| 02:57.59 | fuzzball | how should i start gnome if startx is not found? |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | !find startx |
| 02:58.28 | fuzzball | that's a command? |
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| 02:58.51 | vladster | i am looking what line am I looking for |
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| 02:58.55 | abrotman | !hello |
| 02:58.55 | dpkg | Hi, abrotman! |
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| 02:59.02 | abrotman | !find start |
| 02:59.04 | relex | hello, does anyone know how to extract an audio track from an mpeg file? |
| 02:59.04 | abrotman | !find startx |
| 02:59.11 | relex | (preferably in mp3 format) |
| 02:59.12 | abrotman | relex: extract to what? |
| 02:59.17 | abrotman | oh shit .. |
| 02:59.25 | abrotman | you mean a movie |
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| 02:59.46 | doub | fuzzball: maybe you need to install x-window-system |
| 02:59.54 | npx | iirc mplayer can do it |
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| 02:59.59 | relex | abrotman, yeah. i need to get the audio track :) |
| 03:00.14 | npx | you can specify -ao file.mp3 or something |
| 03:00.15 | Nyle | fuzzball, apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm |
| 03:00.16 | abrotman | relex: no idea .. sorry |
| 03:00.33 | relex | no problem :) |
| 03:01.40 | vladster | what line sets the run level, I want a run level 3 at boot |
| 03:01.50 | Nyle | Vladi, /sbin/init |
| 03:01.55 | abrotman | inittab |
| 03:01.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'startx' (4 shown): (/usr/bin/startxfce) in x11/xfce ;; (/usr/bin/startxfce4) in x11/xfce4-utils ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/startx) in x11/xbase-clients ;; (/usr/share/selinux/policy/default/domains/misc/startx.te) in admin/selinux-policy-default. |
| 03:01.58 | doub | vladster: man inittab |
| 03:02.06 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'start' (8 shown): firestarter ;; gforge-theme-starterpack ;; libstartup-notification0 ;; libstartup-notification0-dev ;; ooqstart-gnome ;; op-applet-restart-fb ;; restartd ;; startalk. |
| 03:02.16 | npx | ahh, here we go... -ao pcm, then you can pipe that through an ogg or mp3 encoder |
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| 03:02.40 | doub | abrotman: sounds like dpkg got a cold |
| 03:02.51 | Nyle | heh, or lag |
| 03:03.02 | abrotman | he finally caught up to me |
| 03:03.02 | kbrooks | or that |
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| 03:03.59 | |m| | are there lady users of debian here? |
| 03:04.25 | topsoil | If i'm running a 2.2 kernel, and I'm trying to compile a 2.6 kernel, would that alone create problems? I'm receiving some strange warnings and errors when trying to compile using the latest gcc in unstable.. |
| 03:04.25 | abrotman | |m|: are you a woman? |
| 03:04.27 | Nyle | |m|, why? |
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| 03:04.56 | abrotman | |m|: please don't msg me ... standard #debian courtesy |
| 03:04.59 | abrotman | !debian-women |
| 03:05.04 | abrotman | !women |
| 03:05.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, women is woman > 1 |
| 03:05.06 | abrotman | grrr |
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| 03:05.32 | abrotman | |m|: there's a whole channel for that .. and a mailing list |
| 03:05.33 | klara | Hi, I gonna disable answering UDP Packages on my Webserver... Is this a good idea ? |
| 03:05.33 | Nyle | |m|, don't msg anyone... read the topic please, type /topic |
| 03:05.37 | groulder | abrotman, i will message you if i feel like it. |
| 03:05.54 | abrotman | groulder: and you would get kicked if you msg'ed the wrong person repeatedly |
| 03:06.01 | Nyle | groulder, not a good idea |
| 03:06.14 | groulder | Nyle, i've got a good idea for you: shut your face. |
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| 03:06.22 | dh | How do move my servers clock one hour? |
| 03:06.26 | Nyle | okay... |
| 03:06.39 | abrotman | groulder: you're being an asshole |
| 03:06.42 | klara | How could I disable ansewering UDP Packages ? |
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| 03:06.49 | groulder | dh, ntpdate <appropriate_ntp_server_here> |
| 03:06.51 | Nyle | did you get buttfucked by a bunch of ragin rednecks or something? |
| 03:06.55 | Guerin | !cluebat groulder |
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| 03:07.04 | abrotman | groulder: and that doesnt' help him |
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| 03:07.27 | doub | klara: man iptables |
| 03:07.28 | AftRburnR | hi all |
| 03:07.33 | Guerin | klara: #iptables - but it's very unlikely you want to do this. |
| 03:07.41 | AftRburnR | if I want to run some commands everytime on system boot where should they go? |
| 03:07.41 | klara | Guerin: Why ? |
| 03:07.42 | simonrvn | abrotman: /ignore foo MSGS |
| 03:07.55 | npx | But www.xfree86.org's HCL no longer encompasses Debian's X package |
| 03:08.00 | abrotman | simonrvn: i know .. i try not to ignore people |
| 03:08.04 | dh | groulder: i dont want to update my time? |
| 03:08.18 | Nyle | well, ops can't ignore people can they? they need to see whats going on in the channel |
| 03:08.19 | dh | groulder: i want to move my servers clock one hour (i need to test something) |
| 03:08.20 | simonrvn | dh: um, yeh |
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| 03:08.23 | groulder | dh, you'll do what i tell you to do. |
| 03:08.32 | Guerin | klara: dropping packets is security by obscurity, like what windows firewall does. |
| 03:08.35 | npx | groulder fucking rock |
| 03:08.40 | simonrvn | dh: you won't do it with ntpdate. set the date with date -s |
| 03:08.45 | abrotman | groulder: shut the fuck up |
| 03:08.47 | npx | you make me wanna headbang =( |
| 03:08.50 | klara | Guerin: Sorry, I don't understand... |
| 03:09.19 | simonrvn | dh: then you can switch it back again. you can do something like date -s "-1 day" |
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| 03:09.32 | Nyle | " I hand the sword over to Him, He accepts with a gleam in his eyes, He thrusts the sword into my heart, I die a willing sacrifice..." |
| 03:09.38 | simonrvn | dh: that'll set it back a day, then just move it up again when you're done |
| 03:09.45 | qfour20 | anyone here use a serial gps device that they use? |
| 03:09.54 | Guerin | klara: well, dropping packets essentially means the person sending them to you gets no response. That means you're hiding from them, when you should be rejecting the package - saying 'yeah, I'm here, but your packets aren't allowed." |
| 03:09.54 | Nyle | i have a gps in my car |
| 03:09.55 | Nyle | :D |
| 03:10.20 | qfour20 | if i cat /dev/ttyS0 (the port it should be on) i should get some mumbo jumbo out of it, right? |
| 03:10.24 | simonrvn | i wouldn't want a gps anywhere near me |
| 03:10.35 | dh | simonrvn: ntpdate clock.netcetera.dk -s 1h |
| 03:10.36 | dh | ? |
| 03:10.36 | npx | If you reject packets on a given port, it lets an attacker know that there _is_ a service running on that port, just that you're rejecting them |
| 03:10.38 | Nyle | simonrvn, why not? |
| 03:10.56 | klara | Guerin: But UDP could be used for DDOS my server... And we don't need UDP... Therefore I thought about it |
| 03:10.58 | simonrvn | dh: i'd use date command, but if it works, sure |
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| 03:11.08 | npx | It could also tell an attacker that you might be running inetd (and using it's pathetic access controls) |
| 03:11.11 | abrotman | dh: that will not work .. don't use ntpdate |
| 03:11.13 | Guerin | klara: anything can be used to ddos your server. |
| 03:11.15 | simonrvn | Nyle: because i don't trust what uses it can be put to |
| 03:11.27 | dh | simonrvn: can you give me the date cmd for moving my clock one hour? |
| 03:11.27 | npx | I like to just drop packets |
| 03:11.32 | fusion | hmm I think my apt cache thing is broken... everything it tries to install it says that there is no "candidate available" |
| 03:11.34 | doub | klara: you can limit the rate of packets then |
| 03:11.36 | Nyle | simonrvn, white true, I find it to be quite useful in this new town I am in, I just moved remember :) |
| 03:11.39 | simonrvn | dh: i just did. scroll up |
| 03:11.47 | abrotman | dh: /lastlog simonrvn .. he did |
| 03:11.52 | npx | my upstream is precious |
| 03:11.54 | klara | Guerin: I know you would say that... buts its one more thing i've disabled and wont be able to ddos |
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| 03:12.03 | klara | hmm ok I've to go now thanks |
| 03:12.35 | simonrvn | klara: there's little you can do about a DDoS. you have to ask upstream to block it |
| 03:12.43 | phill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:12.45 | Guerin | klara: compare http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/12/msg03860.html |
| 03:12.48 | npx | klara or get another IP |
| 03:13.00 | abrotman | or shut down the IP temporarily |
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| 03:13.08 | npx | *nods* |
| 03:13.13 | Nyle | phill, I just now got done installing samba, and finally got it to work, ask your questions and I maybe able to assist you |
| 03:13.18 | Guerin | !moron security is see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/12/msg03860.html |
| 03:13.19 | dpkg | security is see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/12/msg03860.html: You are moron #74 |
| 03:13.26 | Guerin | gah |
| 03:13.30 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:13.30 | phill | nyle: i don't know where to start really :) |
| 03:13.39 | Guerin | !moronic security is see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/12/msg03860.html |
| 03:13.39 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 03:13.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:13.49 | Nyle | phill, apt-get install samba smbclient |
| 03:13.53 | c01100011 | : you're being an asshole |
| 03:13.53 | c01100011 | <klara> How could I disable ansewering UDP Packages ? |
| 03:13.53 | c01100011 | -:- AftRburnR [~bernt@CPE000102d0fe24-CM0012256ecbde.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] |
| 03:13.53 | c01100011 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.53 | c01100011 | <groulder> dh, ntpdate <appropriate_ntp_server_here> |
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| 03:13.59 | abrotman | nice |
| 03:14.03 | simonrvn | smbldap-utils ;P |
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| 03:14.13 | simonrvn | yeh! |
| 03:14.14 | Bonzo_ | hi...i need help on Debian. |
| 03:14.22 | abrotman | so ask |
| 03:14.24 | Nyle | lol |
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| 03:14.29 | phill | its a pentium1209, i want to basically mount windows shares and also have this box present a share and have its hostname work |
| 03:14.31 | simonrvn | c01100011: weeee |
| 03:14.31 | fusion | is there some way to fix apt's "database" ? It reports that all the software I try to install has no candidate (I have run apt-get update) |
| 03:14.33 | phill | 120* |
| 03:14.41 | groulder | Bonzo_, i will help you. abrotman is useless. |
| 03:14.41 | Bonzo_ | how do I install XWindows after i installed all system...? |
| 03:14.46 | Nyle | phill, see above |
| 03:14.53 | Bonzo_ | sure. thanks. |
| 03:14.53 | phill | doing it now :) |
| 03:14.54 | simonrvn | groulder: oh come now, stop it please |
| 03:14.56 | Nyle | !tell phill about samba |
| 03:14.56 | abrotman | groulder: shut the fuck up you idiot .. you haven't given a correct answer yet |
| 03:15.06 | phill | i don't think i have smbfs support compiled in as a module/or in kernel |
| 03:15.15 | groulder | Bonzo_, the easiest way to handle this is to not use xwindows. it's useless. |
| 03:15.21 | phill | thanks nyle :) |
| 03:15.22 | Nyle | phill, you don't necesserily need to, for what you want to do |
| 03:15.23 | abrotman | !kill groulder |
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| 03:15.27 | simonrvn | phill: smbfs is so you can mount samba mounts |
| 03:15.40 | Guerin | groulder: how does that answer his question? |
| 03:15.42 | phill | hmm, so i will need it to mount windows shares? |
| 03:15.44 | Bonzo_ | groulder: but its my frist time in a linux distro, and i don't know how do anything. is there any other graphical interface? |
| 03:16.02 | abrotman | !tell Bonzo_ about setup x |
| 03:16.06 | Bonzo_ | i'm a total beginner really |
| 03:16.07 | simonrvn | Bonzo_: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 03:16.08 | groulder | Bonzo_, people who use xwindows are basically microsoft noobs. if you use linux, you use it with a cli. accept it. |
| 03:16.09 | MobyTurbo | Bonzo_: don't listen to groulder, he's a troll on his way out trying to disrupt the channel |
| 03:16.09 | Guerin | Bonzo_: don't listen to him, he's bullshitting you |
| 03:16.11 | fusion | Bonzo_: when your base is configured just select X Desktop environment.. it asks you |
| 03:16.21 | Nyle | holy crap! |
| 03:16.23 | simonrvn | groulder: hey, back off now |
| 03:16.25 | abrotman | can't we just kick him now? |
| 03:16.29 | Guerin | !ops |
| 03:16.29 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. EXPLAIN THE PROBLEM PLEASE. :) |
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| 03:16.39 | abrotman | groulder: |
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| 03:16.43 | Guerin | ops: someone bust a cap in groulder for talking shit |
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| 03:16.46 | abrotman | and me probably |
| 03:16.48 | Rez | groulder: knock it off. |
| 03:16.49 | npx | groulder is actually the 89th illegitimate lovechild of elvis presley |
| 03:16.56 | npx | you heard it here first. |
| 03:17.06 | Guerin | npx: that would explain the drugs |
| 03:17.08 | Bonzo_ | can anyone help me in PM? :/ |
| 03:17.09 | simonrvn | heh, too weird |
| 03:17.13 | Nyle | Bonzo_, no |
| 03:17.14 | abrotman | Bonzo_: we'd rather not .. |
| 03:17.14 | Nyle | !pm |
| 03:17.14 | dpkg | methinks pm is private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission |
| 03:17.24 | simonrvn | Bonzo_: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 03:17.27 | Guerin | Bonzo_: no; do what simonrvn said |
| 03:17.28 | Bonzo_ | yeah |
| 03:17.29 | abrotman | Bonzo_: do you know which desktop environment you would like? |
| 03:17.34 | simonrvn | Bonzo_: then follow what the bot tells you |
| 03:17.35 | Bonzo_ | nope |
| 03:17.40 | Bonzo_ | don't know one abrotman |
| 03:17.44 | abrotman | oh dear |
| 03:17.45 | Bonzo_ | ok simon |
| 03:18.13 | Nyle | Bonzo_, apt-get install mdetect x-window-system-core gdm gnome-core ( for gnome ) |
| 03:18.21 | simonrvn | Bonzo_: there's gnome, kde, xfce4, windowmaker, etc. apt-cache show each of those, and you'll get an idea |
| 03:18.50 | Bonzo_ | ok |
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| 03:19.15 | loke | wassup |
| 03:19.18 | Nyle | Bonzo_, http://xwinman.org/ |
| 03:19.18 | groulder | Bonzo_, simonrvn has neglected to tell you about the best window manager--fluxbox. |
| 03:19.22 | loke | !beer loke |
| 03:19.27 | simonrvn | the sky |
| 03:19.33 | loke | la maudite? |
| 03:19.38 | loke | wtf |
| 03:19.39 | FieldySnuts | maudite is great |
| 03:19.45 | FieldySnuts | but i've never herad it called la maudite |
| 03:19.52 | loke | gotta try that one |
| 03:19.56 | simonrvn | groulder: he's a newbie. s/he can check those out when s/he's got more expeirience |
| 03:19.57 | Guerin | groulder: but X windows is for wimps |
| 03:20.03 | Nyle | Bonzo_, visit the above mentioned website and take a look at all the different desktops and window managers, and then use apt-cache search to find the packages from debian and then apt-get install |
| 03:20.03 | abrotman | groulder: but you wouldn't know .. you don't use X right? |
| 03:20.06 | abrotman | asshole ... |
| 03:20.19 | Bonzo_ | Nyle : ok thanks very much |
| 03:20.23 | Guerin | groulder: so what the fuck would you know, since you're CLEARLY not the kind of pussy who would need a gui for anything |
| 03:20.24 | FieldySnuts | interesting, rather evil label http://www.csi.uottawa.ca/ftppub/beermats/maudite.jpg |
| 03:20.32 | FieldySnuts | @lart groulder |
| 03:20.39 | simonrvn | but oh so yummy beer |
| 03:20.43 | FieldySnuts | oh yeah. |
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| 03:21.08 | simonrvn | made in .qc.ca ;) |
| 03:21.16 | loke | !beer simonrvn |
| 03:21.20 | groulder | i'm sensing some negativity in here. i suspect it's because i am more knowledgable in linux than anyone else. |
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| 03:21.25 | Guerin | hahahah |
| 03:21.27 | Nyle | lol |
| 03:21.34 | loke | !aolify groulder |
| 03:21.34 | abrotman | groulder: leave now .. save your ego from being crushed |
| 03:21.47 | npx | groulder, you're actually my hero |
| 03:21.49 | Guerin | groulder: please demonstrate that you know ONE THING about linux.... because you haven't so far |
| 03:22.05 | MrKeuner | there was a fork of gnome once. is ti still alive? |
| 03:22.07 | Nyle | this is entertaning... |
| 03:22.12 | npx | I carry a little groulder figurine around with me and look to it for inspiration |
| 03:22.13 | muaddib | Strange I've never seen this before. Question all: I just installed a USB mouse with a PS/2 adapter but for some reason after I configure X to recongnize it. The curose is a white square |
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| 03:22.19 | Guerin | MrKeuner: it's kicking, but I'm not sure about alive |
| 03:22.23 | muaddib | I've never seen that before has anyone |
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| 03:22.30 | MrKeuner | what was the project's name? |
| 03:22.37 | Huddlebum | "It's bettar than windoze bc MIcro$oft sux!!!111one" --groulder |
| 03:22.50 | abrotman | MrKeuner: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 03:23.00 | loke | Huddlebum haha |
| 03:23.08 | Guerin | MrKeuner: I forget ... I saw something on the web about it a few weeks ago, though |
| 03:23.15 | muaddib | Is there a configuration file for the mouse cursor in X |
| 03:23.20 | MobyTurbo | boy, that beer looks like it's BSD beer |
| 03:23.21 | fusion | Can someone please help me with apt-get? I am have just done several apt-get update 's to try and fix the problem but I still get errors like "E: Package kernel-source-2.6.9 has no installation candidate" and the same for 2.6.10 |
| 03:23.22 | npx | Huddlebum that is so going to be my eulogy |
| 03:23.24 | MrKeuner | it was something similar to gonome or something |
| 03:23.32 | Guerin | genome? |
| 03:23.37 | loke | !beer MobyTurbo |
| 03:23.39 | MrKeuner | don't think so |
| 03:23.41 | simonrvn | groulder: you have some deep deep issues if you feel you need to say that kind of shit |
| 03:23.49 | loke | !wine loke |
| 03:23.52 | MobyTurbo | loke: ah, China's best |
| 03:23.56 | abrotman | yay .. yuengling |
| 03:23.58 | loke | MobyTurbo np |
| 03:24.02 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: it's not chinese |
| 03:24.02 | Guerin | no such thing as a nice glass of sauvignon blanc |
| 03:24.07 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: it's from my area |
| 03:24.09 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: Japanese? |
| 03:24.12 | abrotman | .us |
| 03:24.15 | loke | abrotman PA? |
| 03:24.18 | abrotman | it's a german name |
| 03:24.18 | Nyle | Guerin, I thought you WERE an op, why don't you kick +q him already |
| 03:24.23 | abrotman | yes .. more like middle atlantic |
| 03:24.24 | Guerin | Nyle: hahaha |
| 03:24.27 | loke | abrotman i drank that in PA |
| 03:24.34 | abrotman | loke: did you likeit? |
| 03:24.48 | loke | abrotman yes, its good |
| 03:24.48 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: where are you? |
| 03:24.53 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: roughly |
| 03:24.58 | loke | abrotman my friends live on it |
| 03:25.04 | abrotman | loke: yes .. it's good |
| 03:25.09 | MobyTurbo | I'm in NYC. My father though collects various kinds of beer bottles |
| 03:25.16 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: they sell it in NYC |
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| 03:25.23 | abrotman | if you can find a place that has it |
| 03:25.34 | MobyTurbo | he had Yuengling but I must have confused it with Sapparo or something. |
| 03:25.45 | loke | MobyTurbo its all god |
| 03:25.47 | sussudio | hmmm sure. "collects various kinds of beer bottles" |
| 03:25.52 | Nyle | my friend went to germany for a 6 year post graduate program, to learn how to brew beer |
| 03:25.55 | loke | s/god/good |
| 03:25.56 | sussudio | that's what they all say |
| 03:26.12 | loke | Nyle does he make good beer? |
| 03:26.21 | Nyle | I don't know, its only been 3 years yet |
| 03:26.33 | loke | nyle thats badass |
| 03:26.39 | Nyle | i think so too |
| 03:26.59 | MobyTurbo | darned phone company, my dial-up connection is at 10kbps and they refuse to fix it. |
| 03:26.59 | loke | Nyle i would bet money hes gonna have a belly when he is done |
| 03:27.12 | loke | MobyTurbo lol |
| 03:27.12 | Nyle | he already does, he's a fat ass |
| 03:27.22 | loke | MobyTurbo my cable connection is at 6000kpbs |
| 03:27.38 | loke | Nyle haha |
| 03:27.39 | Nyle | i got 5Mbits |
| 03:27.50 | Nyle | upgraded COCKS, err... cox cable |
| 03:27.51 | qfour20 | so, if there's a serial gps attached to a serial port on my box, i should get some sort of output by doing cat /dev/ttyS0? |
| 03:27.55 | MobyTurbo | loke: it takes me nearly two hours to apt-get update. That's not normal, I used to take one fifth of that. |
| 03:27.57 | loke | Nyle me too |
| 03:27.58 | fusion | I have whatever my line can handle :D |
| 03:28.16 | fusion | which is between 6 - 8Mbit |
| 03:28.32 | loke | nyle where you at? |
| 03:28.37 | loke | nyle orange county? |
| 03:28.47 | MobyTurbo | Verizon is really giving me the run-around |
| 03:28.54 | loke | fuck verizon |
| 03:28.57 | simonrvn | qfour20: cat -v for safety. might not work, but if it does, you don't want to fuck up your term |
| 03:29.00 | loke | and fuck comcast |
| 03:29.11 | qfour20 | thanks simonrvn |
| 03:29.33 | loke | Nyle oklahoma? |
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| 03:29.51 | loke | Nyle http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation |
| 03:29.53 | abrotman | qfour20: maybe minicom? |
| 03:29.59 | lunaphyte | hi all |
| 03:30.01 | loke | minicom rules |
| 03:30.04 | Nyle | Guerin, remember we had this discussion once, I finally got around to it. I have just xferred all my stuff from the ntfs disk to brother xp pc, for backup, and I have it also backed up on the ext3 partition on my linux system, I want to format the ntfs disk now to a secure/recoverable FS, I was told ext can't really recover from faults, I forget what other Fs you had suggessted, could you tell me again |
| 03:30.05 | qfour20 | can't get any response from minicom |
| 03:30.06 | simonrvn | yeh, be better off with minicom |
| 03:30.07 | loke | sup lunaphyte |
| 03:30.15 | Nyle | loke, you are smart, you can look at my host name :) |
| 03:30.16 | qfour20 | then again, i have no idea how to use it, really |
| 03:30.22 | kbrooks | minidom? |
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| 03:30.36 | Guerin | Nyle: ext3 is the best choice - and it can recover from faults. |
| 03:30.43 | loke | Nyle and scan you box |
| 03:30.48 | loke | Nyle gnutella |
| 03:31.04 | Nyle | you are scanning my other pc :) |
| 03:31.09 | loke | ahh |
| 03:31.15 | abrotman | !minicom |
| 03:31.15 | Nyle | thas xp home, with limewire |
| 03:31.16 | dpkg | well, minicom is a serial communication program like Windows's Hyperterminal. |
| 03:31.16 | loke | Nyle whats on 100000? |
| 03:31.32 | lunaphyte | i can't get the c_rehash ssl script to work. it acts like it's working, but never creates any symlinks. |
| 03:31.32 | Nyle | like i'd share my box info with you |
| 03:31.33 | Nyle | lol |
| 03:31.49 | loke | nyle was worth a try |
| 03:31.53 | Nyle | no problem |
| 03:31.58 | Nyle | !rieserfs |
| 03:32.01 | chucho | how can i change an ext3 filesystem to riefs without reinstalling |
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| 03:32.18 | groulder | chucho, how the hell would we know. |
| 03:32.20 | loke | Nyle you afraid to say whats running? |
| 03:32.22 | Felipee | hello can some one help me pls... ive got an error on all process of apt-get ... i get this error |
| 03:32.27 | simonrvn | lunaphyte: c_rehash /dir (. is a dir too) |
| 03:32.35 | Felipee | Erros found to proceed: |
| 03:32.35 | Nyle | loke, no, don't ask me again |
| 03:32.38 | Felipee | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.43 | loke | Nyle np |
| 03:32.59 | Guerin | chucho: move your shit off somewhere else, nuke the filesystem, create a new one, move your shit back |
| 03:33.00 | Nyle | and there is no port hundred thousand |
| 03:33.00 | Nyle | lol |
| 03:33.10 | Nyle | 65+ grand is the max, doh |
| 03:33.20 | Guerin | groulder: well, you're the expert... why don't you know? |
| 03:33.20 | simonrvn | 0-65535 |
| 03:33.26 | loke | Nyle i meant 10,000 |
| 03:33.29 | groulder | chucho, what Guerin is telling you is incorrect. this is #debian, we don't deal with filesystem. join #linux. |
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| 03:33.35 | Nyle | well you typed 100,000 |
| 03:33.36 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:33.42 | loke | Nyle i saw that |
| 03:33.46 | loke | Nyle, my mistake |
| 03:33.52 | Guerin | Rez: you still here? |
| 03:34.04 | lunaphyte | simonrvn: i've tried both relative and absolute dir pathnames - no luck. |
| 03:34.10 | *** mode/#debian [+q groulder!*@*] by Rez |
| 03:34.15 | Nyle | finally |
| 03:34.19 | Guerin | Rez: cheers :) |
| 03:34.22 | *** mode/#debian [+q Nyle!*@*] by Rez |
| 03:34.27 | simonrvn | lunaphyte: it'll only work if you have valid .pems in the dir |
| 03:34.33 | simonrvn | heh |
| 03:34.48 | Felipee | can someone help me? |
| 03:34.50 | chucho | ok u don`t know, tanks i see you later |
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| 03:35.11 | Guerin | chucho: no, we do know. |
| 03:35.12 | simonrvn | Felipee: apt-get -f install. what happens? (#flood or /whois paster for pasting) |
| 03:35.28 | lunaphyte | simonrvn: i believe they are pem format, but w/ .crt suffix |
| 03:35.31 | chucho | yes? |
| 03:35.38 | Guerin | chucho: how I told you to do it is the only way. You can't convert a live filesystem arbitrarily from one thing to another. |
| 03:35.39 | chucho | how? |
| 03:36.05 | simonrvn | lunaphyte: name them .pem. simpler. and c_rehash will grok it |
| 03:36.06 | chucho | i can convert an ext2 to ext3 |
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| 03:36.10 | Guerin | chucho: you can convert ext2<->3, but that's only because they're very similar |
| 03:36.49 | Felipee | simonrvn it says the same |
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| 03:36.53 | abrotman | !tell chucho about ext2->ext3 |
| 03:37.02 | simonrvn | Felipee: *what* does it say? |
| 03:37.04 | chucho | ok i belive you |
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| 03:37.17 | loke | -j |
| 03:37.20 | simonrvn | Felipee: you haven't really told us what errors you're seeing |
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| 03:37.55 | tdb30_ | Hey, I currently use knoppix but was thinking I may want to go straight debian. I kind of want to be a little on the bleading edge are there any debian or debian based distros I should look into? |
| 03:37.59 | Felipee | yeah i paste it .. ill do it again |
| 03:38.10 | simonrvn | Felipee: #flood or /whois paster |
| 03:38.12 | loke | tdb30_ debian sid |
| 03:38.34 | benjamindees | tdb30_, don't listen to that... sarge maybe |
| 03:38.38 | Felipee | Error found to proceed xfree86-common |
| 03:38.44 | Felipee | thats the error |
| 03:38.54 | kbrooks | sid breaks |
| 03:38.55 | benjamindees | tdb30_, how "bleeding edge" are you wanting? |
| 03:39.06 | simonrvn | Felipee: there's more i'm sure. scroll up your terminal |
| 03:39.08 | kbrooks | "little" |
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| 03:39.22 | lunaphyte | simonrvn: thanks - that did the trick. any hints on changing a bunch of suffixes at once? :) |
| 03:39.33 | simonrvn | rename command |
| 03:39.45 | Felipee | Configurando xfree86-common (6.8.1-0.4) ... |
| 03:39.45 | Felipee | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/xfree86-common exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
| 03:39.45 | Felipee | dpkg: error al procesar xfree86-common (--configure): |
| 03:39.45 | dpkg | Felipee: i don't know |
| 03:39.51 | tdb30_ | mostly stable bleeding edge. Like I hear XFree is coming out with a version that supports transparancies. I'd like to be able to upgrade to that version. |
| 03:39.55 | Felipee | and then the other error :S |
| 03:40.06 | tdb30_ | but I don't want many broken packages. |
| 03:40.27 | lunaphyte | simonrvn: thanks again |
| 03:40.30 | loke | tdb30_ get sarge |
| 03:40.35 | simonrvn | Felipee: this isn't debian is it |
| 03:40.41 | dondelelcaro | Felipee: there shouldn't be an /etc/init.d/xfree86-common if this is Debian |
| 03:40.42 | loke | tdb30_ sarge is the shit |
| 03:40.57 | loke | tdb30_ you will love it, knoppix was made from debian |
| 03:40.59 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: there is, but not that version ;) |
| 03:41.05 | Felipee | damn... but im on debian :S |
| 03:41.11 | Felipee | sid |
| 03:41.15 | Felipee | im really confused |
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| 03:41.24 | dondelelcaro | xfree86-common (6.8.1-0.4) <-- wtf? |
| 03:41.25 | simonrvn | you're using non-official packages. |
| 03:41.28 | doub | simonrvn: sounds like a spanish locale |
| 03:41.28 | loke | Felipee get sarge |
| 03:41.28 | dondelelcaro | !info xfree86-common |
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| 03:41.35 | dpkg | xfree86-common: (X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 773 kB, Installed size: 1252 kB |
| 03:42.24 | Felipee | ok ill try :S thx anyway |
| 03:42.40 | simonrvn | Felipee: bug the maker of the packages. we can't support those |
| 03:43.04 | kbrooks | cant support what |
| 03:43.15 | doub | simonrvn: ok forget what i said, i need to sleep |
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| 03:43.36 | simonrvn | kbrooks: for the simple fucking reason that we don't know what the packager did to them |
| 03:44.17 | simonrvn | doub: :) |
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| 03:45.20 | stoned | testing... |
| 03:45.42 | stoned | evasion does work |
| 03:45.45 | stoned | must tell rez |
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| 03:46.09 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ip68-12-196-21.ok.ok.cox.net] by Rez |
| 03:46.17 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 03:46.58 | simonrvn | suggestion: ban on his user name. most folks don't change that |
| 03:47.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 03:47.19 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!ajavid@*ok.ok.cox.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:47.31 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:47.36 | Rez | cox oklahoma doesn't change IP's |
| 03:47.43 | simonrvn | oh ok |
| 03:47.44 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 03:48.04 | simonrvn | sorry :) |
| 03:48.13 | Rez | they technically do, but they're so few and far between. |
| 03:48.36 | brandon_ | can I just run an svn server.. just want to let my wife on my lan view my X screen |
| 03:48.39 | simonrvn | ah, so it's an effective "don't change IP" |
| 03:48.53 | simonrvn | vnc you mean? |
| 03:49.00 | brandon_ | iirc, I have to configure the X server to actually use... yeah *blush* |
| 03:49.01 | brandon_ | vnc |
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| 03:49.28 | brandon_ | I've used vnc server under windows, and vnc viewer under windows and linux... but I've never setup the server on a linux system |
| 03:49.49 | Guerin | dumb fucker |
| 03:49.55 | brandon_ | I did fiddle once with it.. but gave up when it ran a blank X server with the black/white background and X mouse cursor :) |
| 03:50.09 | simonrvn | further than i got =) |
| 03:50.10 | abrotman | !seen eeyore- |
| 03:50.11 | Guerin | he /msg me whining about the +q and I told him to suck it up... |
| 03:50.11 | dpkg | eeyore- <~niklas@ip68-5-225-32.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 18h 4m 20s ago, saying: 'this is odd. i have a dell precision 8000 here. it's got a touchpad, but the X synaptics_drv.o doesn't think a synaptic touchpad exists. is there another manufacturer of these touchpads? does dell do something funky here? :-)'. |
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| 03:50.21 | brandon_ | (didn't want to fiddle with the startup files, etc).. .but that was years ago |
| 03:50.22 | abrotman | wtf was all fo that |
| 03:50.26 | abrotman | kinada423: turn that off |
| 03:50.30 | abrotman | MrX: turn that off |
| 03:50.37 | dondelelcaro | !seen me |
| 03:50.37 | dpkg | me <~me@dialup-ras7-193.pdx.or.uspops.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 28d 11m 8s ago, saying: '"/msg dpkg guidelines'. |
| 03:51.00 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 03:51.32 | FieldySnuts | two of them? lamers. |
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| 03:51.39 | sanxiyn | http://www.jesusim.com/ -- JesusChrist(tm) powered IM. |
| 03:51.45 | FieldySnuts | troll? |
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| 03:51.56 | sanxiyn | (What does that mean...?) |
| 03:51.57 | Rez | wth? is it freaking sunday? |
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| 03:52.03 | FieldySnuts | Rez: sure seems that way |
| 03:52.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:52.47 | abrotman | isn't he in here all the time? |
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| 03:53.50 | simonrvn | end of the year crap... |
| 03:54.01 | smj | mutt rulez!!! |
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| 03:54.48 | sanxiyn | Why did you ban me? |
| 03:54.50 | abrotman | !could sgeiger maintain a package |
| 03:54.50 | dpkg | no, abrotman! |
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| 03:55.07 | Rez | sanxiyn: so, you're evading a kline? nice. |
| 03:55.22 | sanxiyn | Rez: Huh? |
| 03:55.27 | simonrvn | deep deep deep dodo... |
| 03:55.33 | simonrvn | doodoo* |
| 03:55.35 | sanxiyn | Rez: I connected from different host. |
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| 03:55.55 | Rez | ALSO KNOWN AS K-LINE EVASION |
| 03:55.58 | Guerin | why was sanxiyn k-lined? |
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| 03:56.18 | abrotman | because he wants us to use jesus IM |
| 03:56.23 | Rez | Guerin: the jesusim thing didn't look like spam to you? |
| 03:56.42 | simonrvn | yeh, that. was about to say "it's called spamming" |
| 03:57.04 | Guerin | it looksed like a joke to me... |
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| 03:57.13 | Rez | was in the channel less than two minutes, said nothing beforehand and spouted a url to something very possibly inflammatory |
| 03:57.28 | Guerin | he's a regular in here |
| 03:57.33 | Phated | He's been here before, never too much of an idiot. |
| 03:57.34 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: package troll |
| 03:57.50 | lunaphyte | can i get opinions on which package to file a bug with? |
| 03:57.53 | sgeigerbot | !does abrotman smell like sussudio? |
| 03:58.04 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i didn't make it .. it's old |
| 03:58.09 | abrotman | !factinfo could sgeiger maintain a package |
| 03:58.09 | dpkg | could sgeiger maintain a package -- created by tix64 <bob@myIP-N72-008.de.inter.net> at Sat Oct 5 02:03:36 2002 (817 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by abrotman, 3m 20s ago. |
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| 03:58.42 | brandon_ | what's JESUSIM ? |
| 03:59.00 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: would you believe that I do! |
| 03:59.08 | abrotman | no |
| 03:59.11 | lunaphyte | since postfix runs in a jail, it can't access the CA certs in /etc/ssl/certs when it tries to use tls as a client, and therefore can't verify certificates. |
| 03:59.34 | lunaphyte | my thinking is to file against postfix-tls... |
| 03:59.42 | abrotman | why? |
| 03:59.49 | Guerin | brandon_: vaporware im client/server with a stupid name |
| 03:59.52 | lunaphyte | but maybe postfix... does it matter? |
| 03:59.52 | abrotman | i don't think it runs in a jail by default |
| 03:59.53 | Rez | lunaphyte: it runs in a chroot, and you can very easily remove it from the chroot by editing the master.cf |
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| 04:00.13 | Guerin | lunaphyte: you either unchroot it, or you put the certs into the chroot |
| 04:00.22 | brandon_ | Guerin, maybe inappropriately used? |
| 04:00.29 | lunaphyte | abrotman: unless i changed master.cf in my sleep, it run jailed by default |
| 04:00.46 | Guerin | yeah, it is jailed by default |
| 04:01.00 | brandon_ | I've thought about a community/IM system for years |
| 04:01.08 | brandon_ | but it would have to be something along with the nature of humans etc... |
| 04:01.12 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: what runs in a jail by default? |
| 04:01.15 | lunaphyte | rez / guerin: the problem i solved - just seems weird to have to do that manually, since i didn't ask it to run in a jail. |
| 04:01.19 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: s-emoticons-nick--use-nick-at-beginning-of-line |
| 04:01.22 | sgeigerbot | when you direct a response at someone, please add their nick to the beginning of the line so others can follow the conversation...and so that they know your conversation isn't part of another. ...and so that my regexes can copy the conversation. |
| 04:01.32 | benjamindees | lunaphyte, that's right, in woody at least, and it's annoying |
| 04:01.34 | Rez | lunaphyte: again, chroot. jails are bsd things. |
| 04:01.42 | sen5421 | anyone here use LVM2? |
| 04:01.42 | scarynetworkguy | That would be because Wietse Zweitze Venema has many many big buckets of clue. |
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| 04:01.56 | brandon_ | and from a sufi teaching of a master and professor (with degrees in physics, etc. too) .. I think about, "The way to peace is for peaceful people to develop peaceful communities and societies." |
| 04:01.56 | Rez | moron. |
| 04:01.58 | sen5421 | anyone here know what I should do if I need to expand my /usr directory by 5G (it is EXT3)? |
| 04:02.01 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: s/buckets/barrels/ |
| 04:02.06 | sen5421 | do I expand the volume first and then format the new space? |
| 04:02.08 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: Indeed. |
| 04:02.08 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: various postfix services |
| 04:02.15 | sen5421 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:02.39 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: that's cool. |
| 04:02.39 | lunaphyte | scarynetworkguy: what do you mean? |
| 04:02.42 | brandon_ | so I've had to get over my judgement of these things.. like this one database system called "Gnosis DB" |
| 04:02.43 | smj | sen5421: Okay, so you have a partition that is less than 5GB currently? |
| 04:02.58 | sen5421 | smj, yes. my /usr dir is 2G. |
| 04:03.04 | mfergus | how do I tell the mozilla apps that I'm using cups instead of lpr? |
| 04:03.04 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:03.05 | smj | sen5421: Are you running LVM? |
| 04:03.10 | sen5421 | smj, I want to install audio software and that is not enough space. |
| 04:03.13 | scarynetworkguy | lunaphyte: He's the lead dev on Postfix. Brilliant security guy. One of the best in the world. |
| 04:03.16 | sen5421 | smj, yes, LVM2 |
| 04:03.21 | brandon_ | I can't believe they used these names on these things.. but at the same time, I figure they meant something good, in *some* way, by doing it. |
| 04:03.24 | sen5421 | smj, I am running Sarge. |
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| 04:03.27 | simonrvn | mfergus: install cupsys-bsd, then you don't have to owrry about that |
| 04:03.27 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: yeah. It's also a massive pain in the arse, and anyone who uses it with any external stuff (sasl, mysql, tls) usually unchroots most of the services anyway |
| 04:03.30 | smj | sen5421: Ok. No formatting necessary. |
| 04:03.41 | smj | sen5421: First, you boot into single user mode. |
| 04:03.44 | brandon_ | so, better than something intended to cause suffering to your mama. |
| 04:03.47 | lunaphyte | i meant what did you mean by 'buckets/barrels of clue' - never heard that before. |
| 04:03.47 | smj | sen5421: Then you make sure /usr isn't mounted. |
| 04:03.54 | sen5421 | smj, I see. |
| 04:04.00 | brandon_ | think about that when judging people |
| 04:04.04 | abrotman | lunaphyte: as opposed to .. 'doesn't have a clue' |
| 04:04.12 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: that's just stupid. |
| 04:04.18 | smj | sen5421: Then you use lvextend to resize the partition to the appropriate size. Your volume group has 3GB free, right? |
| 04:04.21 | lunaphyte | got it |
| 04:04.30 | sen5421 | smj, yes |
| 04:04.40 | smj | sen5421: Cool. |
| 04:04.43 | sen5421 | smj, how do I boot to single user mode in sarge? |
| 04:04.44 | sen5421 | heh |
| 04:04.49 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: what is? |
| 04:04.50 | sen5421 | I don't know the 'right' way. |
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| 04:04.59 | smj | sen5421: Ok, are you using lilo or grub? |
| 04:05.10 | sen5421 | smj, grub |
| 04:05.16 | lunaphyte | so is the consensus here that i shouldn't file a bug report at all? |
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| 04:05.36 | mfergus | simonrvn: it's asking me if I watnt o sed up the BSD lpd compatibility server... do I want that? this is a laptop not a server. |
| 04:05.43 | smj | sen5421: When the grub screen comes up edit the kernel line for the kernel you want to boot into, adding an " s " at the end (without the quotes). |
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| 04:06.06 | smj | sen5421: You can do this for any runlevel, 2 will make it only boot to runlevel 2, 5 will go to 5, etc... Got it? |
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| 04:06.10 | simonrvn | mfergus: um, you're already running cups... which is a daemon. |
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| 04:06.19 | smj | sen5421: Don't do anything yet! |
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| 04:06.26 | simonrvn | well, cupsd anyway |
| 04:06.31 | sen5421 | smj, k |
| 04:06.42 | mfergus | simonrvn: yep .. cupsys |
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| 04:06.46 | bluefox83 | i seem to have a serious problem with my computer...does anyone know why only one of my ide drives would power up even though they'er all plugged in? |
| 04:06.58 | bluefox83 | *they're |
| 04:07.14 | Rez | cuz they's broke |
| 04:07.16 | scarynetworkguy | bluefox83: Small powersupply? |
| 04:07.29 | bluefox83 | it's a 350watt power supply |
| 04:07.43 | scarynetworkguy | bluefox83: Like I said. |
| 04:07.45 | smj | sen5421: Ok, so: 1. Reboot into single user mode, 2. ensure that /usr is not mounted, 3. use lvextend to resize the partition, 4. run resize2fs to resize the partition to the correct size (will probably ask you to run fsck first), 5. Reboot |
| 04:07.48 | Guerin | bluefox83: check your cabling. Check your psu outputs with a multimeter |
| 04:07.49 | smj | sen5421: I think that's it. |
| 04:07.57 | smj | sen5421: But the partition can NOT be in use. |
| 04:08.14 | sen5421 | smj, so the command I want to run when I am in single user mode is ' lvextend 5G /dev/mapper/Volume00-usr' ? |
| 04:08.16 | nz_rosen_ | Hello I have a little problem to compil my kernel. I have some messages erros at the compilation but At each time at an other modules. Any idea? |
| 04:08.21 | bluefox83 | cabling is fine..although i think they may have done a crappy job of putting the cables on... |
| 04:08.32 | sen5421 | smj, got it. |
| 04:08.32 | smj | sen5421: I suggest you read the man pages for lvextend and resize2fs before you do this. |
| 04:08.36 | bluefox83 | er, connectors |
| 04:08.41 | sen5421 | smj, k |
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| 04:09.09 | bluefox83 | only my main hard drive will power up, my second hard drive, floppy drive, and brand new dvdrw wont power up =( |
| 04:09.19 | smj | sen5421: I've done this numerous times. lvm rulez. Just make sure you don't do it in the wrong order or you will seriously f*k up your partition's data. |
| 04:09.26 | scarynetworkguy | bluefox83: And you have been told the reason. Now go fix it. |
| 04:09.38 | brandon_ | I'm gonna go |
| 04:09.39 | brandon_ | bye all |
| 04:09.40 | scarynetworkguy | bluefox83: What proc? |
| 04:09.43 | bluefox83 | scarynetworkguy, i don't have a multimeter =( |
| 04:09.43 | abrotman | bluefox83: try unplugging some of the devices |
| 04:09.48 | sen5421 | smj, thx for all the help |
| 04:09.54 | smj | sen5421: No prob. |
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| 04:09.56 | scarynetworkguy | bluefox83: What processor? |
| 04:09.57 | bluefox83 | scarynetworkguy, amd 2400 sempron |
| 04:10.09 | abrotman | no . not the evil sempron! |
| 04:10.13 | VictriX | oiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 04:10.18 | VictriX | tem brasileiro poraki |
| 04:10.26 | mfergus | simonrvn: the "-bsd" package did it.. thanks |
| 04:10.27 | bluefox83 | whats wrong with sempron O.o |
| 04:10.28 | smj | sen5421: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ |
| 04:10.28 | metrix | what victrix said |
| 04:10.28 | VictriX | Que doido |
| 04:10.28 | abrotman | !portuguese |
| 04:10.28 | dpkg | [portuguese] the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:10.30 | scarynetworkguy | bluefox83: Don't bother fucking around with a multimeter go get yourself a real powersupply. |
| 04:10.31 | Rez | VictriX: English. |
| 04:10.38 | abrotman | 350 is fine |
| 04:10.41 | VictriX | I am new for debian |
| 04:10.44 | abrotman | unless the PS is faulty |
| 04:10.58 | VictriX | i am not speak inglish |
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| 04:11.02 | abrotman | !portuguese |
| 04:11.02 | dpkg | somebody said portuguese was the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 04:11.10 | bluefox83 | i think whoever put the connectors on the cables did a crappy job, the wires are loose inside |
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| 04:11.16 | VictriX | yes Portuguese .. PT-BR |
| 04:11.21 | VictriX | Brasil |
| 04:11.26 | smj | !portuguese |
| 04:11.27 | dpkg | from memory, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:11.33 | DarknessX | I'm installing debian on a computer, and accidentally installed gnome... how do I get rid of it? |
| 04:11.36 | sussudio | Rez: illek |
| 04:11.38 | Guerin | though they're only pIII... |
| 04:11.38 | scarynetworkguy | bluefox83: And the easiest way to swap out those cables is? |
| 04:11.40 | Rez | sussudio: yeah. |
| 04:11.47 | smj | VictriX: Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portues. |
| 04:11.49 | VictriX | Thanksssssssss cara |
| 04:11.55 | bluefox83 | scarynetworkguy, replace power supply =( |
| 04:11.58 | VictriX | Thanksssssssss :) |
| 04:12.07 | bluefox83 | that's like 40+ bucks though =( |
| 04:12.11 | scarynetworkguy | bluefox83: Yes it is. |
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| 04:12.26 | VictriX | bay bay =} |
| 04:12.29 | smj | DarknessX: You've infected your computer with gnome? |
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| 04:12.37 | abrotman | bluefox83: unplug some of your stuff .. swithc them around .. |
| 04:12.41 | DarknessX | smj: unfortunately. :-P |
| 04:12.49 | DarknessX | my saving grace is that it's installing KDE too |
| 04:12.58 | Guerin | DarknessX: that's a SAVING GRACE? |
| 04:13.00 | abrotman | bluefox83: i've plugged a P4 with 2 optical drives, a zip, floppy, 1HDD into a 300Watt .. works fine |
| 04:13.04 | bluefox83 | abrotman, arg..all right |
| 04:13.08 | scarynetworkguy | WTF would you install either one. Yet alone both!?! |
| 04:13.09 | smj | DarknessX: Actually, I'm sure you use more than your fair share of GTK+ and gnome apps. |
| 04:13.11 | metrix | how can I run ifconfig in a script, but as a user other then root.. |
| 04:13.15 | smj | DarknessX: I know I use a mix. |
| 04:13.15 | prock | bluefox83: hopefully more than $40 though |
| 04:13.22 | smj | DarknessX: Why do you want to get rid of gnome? |
| 04:13.29 | DarknessX | smj: I thought GTK+ != Gnome |
| 04:13.44 | prock | spending another $25 and getting an antec is worth it IMHO |
| 04:13.46 | abrotman | it doesn't |
| 04:13.55 | DarknessX | smj: mostly because I tend to be anal about HDD space (which is, actually, rediculous, I do have plenty of space) |
| 04:13.57 | smj | DarknessX: GTK is the toolkit that gnome uses. |
| 04:13.57 | abrotman | gtk is used for gnome |
| 04:13.58 | Guerin | hence gtk+ AND gnome |
| 04:14.00 | abrotman | !gtk |
| 04:14.00 | dpkg | somebody said gtk was GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit. You probably want to "apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev", or now at version 2, which may be installed with "apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev". libgtk1.2 is GTK+, libgtk2.0 is GTK2. They are NOT compatible. They are totally separate.. |
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| 04:14.21 | wilylojik | eeesh |
| 04:14.22 | DarknessX | and it seems to me to have Gnome AND KDE is a bit of overkill |
| 04:14.32 | smj | DarknessX: I've got Gnome AND KDE on my computer. I use KDE mostly, but gnome when the time calls for it. |
| 04:14.55 | Guerin | DarknessX: s/AND/OR/ |
| 04:14.58 | smj | DarknessX: I've also got XFCE, blackbox, and enlightenment, but I think that's overkill. |
| 04:15.10 | metrix | I don't understand this.. I really like gnome... KDE feels "clunky" to me |
| 04:15.29 | smj | metrix: We all have what we prefer. |
| 04:15.38 | DarknessX | smj: the computer on which I'm installing it, though, is going to be my fathers -- I don't think he'll need both. I'll let him try both and see which he needs -- for sooth, how would I uninstall? |
| 04:15.51 | smj | metrix: I like the feature list available to me in KDE. Gnome 2.8 is fast though. I will give it that. |
| 04:16.11 | metrix | smj: I see |
| 04:16.17 | smj | DarknessX: Well, to be honest, I don't like the idea of going without Gnome on a system. Too many apps use its libs. |
| 04:16.37 | DarknessX | smj: what about removing the desktop and keeping the libs? |
| 04:16.41 | DarknessX | or would that be pointless? |
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| 04:17.25 | loke | i like to lick pussy |
| 04:17.26 | smj | DarknessX: You're pretty much just taking up disk space and removing a menu entry at that point. All I know is whenever I go without Gnome on a box I end up installing most of it eventually anyway. |
| 04:17.50 | smj | Was that a drive by perv moment? |
| 04:17.56 | DarknessX | smj: fair enough... Thanks |
| 04:18.31 | smj | DarknessX: No prob. It's just my experience. GTK is the preferred toolkit for many open source apps. You'd be surprised how many use it. |
| 04:18.56 | DarknessX | smj: I'm quite aware. I'm chatting on Gaim and talking to you with X-Chat, both of which are GTK :-P |
| 04:19.04 | smj | DarknessX: Yip. |
| 04:19.48 | smj | DarknessX: QT has its points as well, as an app that uses it can be compiled in any number of environments, as long as QT supports that environment. |
| 04:20.00 | DarknessX | aye |
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| 04:20.15 | budluva | does anyone know if xine will play bin/cue's? |
| 04:20.17 | Rez | woah... |
| 04:20.20 | Rez | wtf was that? |
| 04:20.32 | fuzzball | oooookay |
| 04:20.50 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: removing chrooting when it exists is not a good idea. |
| 04:20.56 | alindeman | ? |
| 04:21.03 | fuzzball | when i run xstart it gives me an error like,"fatal error (connection reset by peer) Xserver 0:0" |
| 04:21.04 | smj | sgeigerbot: I agree. |
| 04:21.29 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: yeah, agreed. But it's often easier than trying to make all your daemons work in and out of the chroot |
| 04:21.33 | sgeigerbot | !turn postfix into sendmail |
| 04:21.37 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:21.39 | fuzzball | does anyone know what would cause such an error? or even remotely what it means? |
| 04:21.40 | Rez | metrix: do not do that. |
| 04:21.40 | DarknessX | budluva: bin/cue is an image of a CD/DVD. You'll need to either burn it, or mount it (using loopback -- man mount) |
| 04:22.07 | metrix | Rez: ? |
| 04:22.19 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: that sounds like a solution Microsoft would come up with. |
| 04:22.28 | Rez | metrix: --- Received a CTCP PING 1104380478 from metrix |
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| 04:23.12 | metrix | Rez: the ping?? I thought you were lagged because I thought you were replying to something that was talked about a long time ago |
| 04:23.17 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: why couldn't the daemons simply communicate over the network interface? |
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| 04:23.23 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: lo |
| 04:23.27 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: no, MS wouldn't use chroots itfp. |
| 04:23.45 | sgeigerbot | !+itfp |
| 04:23.45 | dpkg | from memory, itfp is In The First Place |
| 04:23.58 | Rez | metrix: thanks for checking up on my situation. really not necessary. |
| 04:23.59 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: with mysqld they can; I don't know if sasl and so on can manage it |
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| 04:24.12 | Guerin | I should hope so; I set mine up ages ago and didn't look. |
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| 04:24.36 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: interesting. thanks for the info. I need to learn more about these things. What do you think about using Xen (xen.sf.net) as an alternative to chrooting? |
| 04:24.42 | fusion | What would cause the following after compiling kernel 2.6.9 and then installing it? (I used the kernel source debian package) |
| 04:24.46 | fusion | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: checkpkg: dpkg -s module-init-tools failed |
| 04:24.46 | fusion | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 04:24.53 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: I haven't even seen it. |
| 04:24.54 | metrix | Rez:.. you're an ass |
| 04:25.09 | Guerin | hehe |
| 04:25.13 | Guerin | famous last words |
| 04:25.20 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: it's freaking sweet. |
| 04:25.34 | Rez | metrix: thanks. coming from someone that completely doesn't know me, that's completely meaningless. |
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| 04:26.52 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: looks like next-gen UML |
| 04:27.11 | mfergus | where can I find a good tutorial as to how to get a USB memory stick accessible ? |
| 04:27.15 | metrix | anyway... i'm going to google for more information on my problem.. thank you for everyones help |
| 04:27.41 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: did you see the performance page? http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/performance.html My question is: Which version of VMWare are they comparing to? |
| 04:28.01 | ongeboren | hi, where are the thumbnails of nautilus cached ? |
| 04:28.14 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: I haven't used any kind of vmware, but I hear that the 5 betas are pretty flash |
| 04:28.16 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: ESX server supposedly runs "on bare metal"...which might mean it is a lot faster. Xen is in that category, too. |
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| 04:28.53 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: think about it, though: virtual machines wherever you want them--without any worry about cost/licensing. |
| 04:29.01 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: ...and the performance page is impressive. |
| 04:29.15 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: yeah. from the FAQ though: "you may experience severe problems with TLS libraries." |
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| 04:29.20 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: I'm about to put a couple of these into production use to try them out. |
| 04:29.23 | doub | sgeigerbot: i've heard disk i/o is even faster than on native linux |
| 04:29.39 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: which makes it useless for about 80% of the stuff I'd need a chroot for |
| 04:29.42 | tlaloc | speak spanish |
| 04:29.43 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: Right, so you simply disable it wth this command: cd /lib; mv tls tls.disabled |
| 04:29.53 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: I like TLS! |
| 04:30.10 | tlaloc | alguien habla espa?ol aqui |
| 04:30.15 | Guerin | !es |
| 04:30.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:30.26 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: Well, they will get this straightened out. |
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| 04:30.46 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: indeed. |
| 04:31.00 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: this would be a fun way to provide shell hosting. |
| 04:31.14 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: In fact, they are even possibly going to support unmodified operating systems at some point, so even Windoze would run. |
| 04:31.21 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:31.25 | Guerin | I read that |
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| 04:32.09 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: The speed issue has been an important factor for me. The cost, too... Even though I could justify the perchase, I just don't want to for several machines. |
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| 04:32.30 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: yeah, indeed. And then there's the upgrade cycle... |
| 04:32.43 | doub | sgeigerbot: doesn't it require hardware support ? i've heard you'll need a specially designed CPU for that |
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| 04:33.28 | Guerin | nope |
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| 04:33.51 | sgeigerbot | doub: It uses cpu schedulers to split to keep things reasonable. It also allows you to partition the memory. |
| 04:34.05 | sgeigerbot | doub: I've been very happy with what I've seen so far. |
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| 04:34.11 | Loof | Ok, quick stupid question... how do I get dpkg to ask --configure questions again? |
| 04:34.22 | Loof | I made a mistake on initial entry...and can't seem to change my mind :) |
| 04:34.27 | sgeigerbot | s/to split// |
| 04:34.35 | Amaranth | Loof: dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 04:34.56 | Loof | Amaranth: Nope, it's not installed yet. |
| 04:34.58 | Guerin | Loof: dpkg-reconfigure debconf and tell it to ask old questions again |
| 04:35.06 | doub | sgeigerbot: yes, i know xen, i've tested it already. but about running unmodified oses? doesn't it require special instructions in the CPU? |
| 04:35.07 | Guerin | and/or dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 04:35.14 | fman | hey all |
| 04:35.26 | fman | I've noticed a problem with procmail after install |
| 04:35.28 | Guerin | doub: oh yeah, unmodified OSen don't work at this stage |
| 04:35.33 | fman | this has happened twice.... |
| 04:35.47 | Loof | Oh, one other annoying thing... any way to get 'dialog' to not use extended charset for drawing borders and such? Or to respect the TERM entry, in any case? |
| 04:35.55 | fman | sendmail bitches that it can't run procmail with the following command Cannot exec /usr/bin/procmail |
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| 04:36.14 | doub | sgeigerbot: i've read something like that recently, like xen is working with AMD to integrate the required logic in one of their CPU, iirc |
| 04:36.15 | fman | permissions are fine - however apt-get remove procmail and then reinstall it and all works finw |
| 04:36.15 | Loof | Guerin: How... I just did that and there is no prompt for asking questions again |
| 04:36.24 | fman | this has happend on two different machines now |
| 04:36.27 | fman | known bug? |
| 04:36.36 | sgeigerbot | doub: Sweet. |
| 04:36.44 | hanasaki | what woudl casue the following error. the userid is root and the fiele system is local |
| 04:36.46 | hanasaki | ls: /var/lib/dpkg/info/clamav-base.list: Permission denied |
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| 04:40.02 | fusion | Hm I am getting lilo errors again.. same messages :/ |
| 04:40.34 | mfergus | how do I find out what file system type to put into my fstab file for mounting a USB stick? |
| 04:40.49 | abrotman | almost always vfat |
| 04:41.55 | mfergus | abrotman: I tried vfat, but when trying to access the files it says they are of 0 size |
| 04:42.04 | hanasaki | what could cause a permission denied for ls when the user is root? |
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| 04:42.18 | mfergus | a "df -m" did show 11mb used on the stick |
| 04:42.22 | abrotman | mfergus: fdisk -l /dev/<device> |
| 04:42.26 | abrotman | err .. |
| 04:42.32 | abrotman | wait .. like .. sda .. not sda1 |
| 04:42.35 | doub | hanasaki: an nfs mount? |
| 04:42.39 | donp | i moved a harddrive to a computer with a new video card. how can i tell xfree86 to reconfigure for the new video card? |
| 04:42.53 | hanasaki | nope local doub ls: /var/lib/dpkg/info/clamav-base.list: Permission denied |
| 04:42.54 | mfergus | abrotman: you lost me |
| 04:42.59 | donp | doub: nice nick, we're almost the same :) |
| 04:43.07 | mfergus | abrotman: it is a single partion USB stick |
| 04:43.15 | abrotman | mfergus: if you do .. fdisk -l .. i believe it shows the partition type |
| 04:43.35 | mfergus | abrotman: has files from a windows box.. want to access them |
| 04:43.36 | mfergus | :-) |
| 04:43.45 | doub | donp: twisted, yeah (: |
| 04:43.51 | abrotman | mfergus: did it show you? |
| 04:44.23 | donp | is there an easy way to have xfree86 re-run its configuration? |
| 04:44.43 | doub | donp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:44.52 | mfergus | abrotman: all it says is non-linux |
| 04:44.56 | abrotman | nice |
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| 04:45.01 | abrotman | mfergus: you could try 'auto' |
| 04:45.11 | donp | doub: thanks! i kept trying xfree86-common |
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| 04:45.43 | VoltageX | ooh those people in #emule-english on the emule irc server are protective of the ed2k network |
| 04:45.59 | abrotman | and we care why? |
| 04:46.22 | VoltageX | I said it was too slow and it took ages to actually start downloading anything (which is true) and they banned me |
| 04:46.29 | mfergus | abrotman: auto did allow it to mount.. but still getting that file size of 0 junk |
| 04:46.34 | VoltageX | abrotman: you don't have to |
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| 04:46.43 | abrotman | have to what?> |
| 04:46.46 | VoltageX | care |
| 04:46.58 | mwilson | wheeee... I got my PB back again. |
| 04:46.59 | abrotman | mfergus: did you double check to make sure the file was there in windows .. |
| 04:47.11 | abrotman | mfergus: sounds like you removed the media before it was done writing |
| 04:47.13 | mfergus | abrotman: ls -l showed it fine |
| 04:47.15 | abrotman | mwilson: powerbook? |
| 04:47.17 | Wyzard | mwilson: What happened to it? |
| 04:47.46 | mfergus | DANGIT |
| 04:47.52 | abrotman | dangit? |
| 04:47.55 | mfergus | I think I just realized the issue |
| 04:47.56 | Loof | mwilson: Peanut Butter? |
| 04:48.00 | mfergus | files owned by root |
| 04:48.04 | abrotman | so what? |
| 04:48.08 | mfergus | trying to access them under user of mfergus |
| 04:48.12 | mwilson | Wyzard: AlBook 15"... it had the fading backlight problem. They fixed it under warranty (always nice), but when I got it back the cover switch wasn't working and it wouldn't sleep when I closed the lid. :( |
| 04:48.16 | mfergus | would that have anythign to do w/ it? |
| 04:48.22 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:48.23 | ongeboren | can somebody help me how can I make nautilus open an image inside of nautilus rather than opening it with an external application? |
| 04:48.27 | Loof | Definitely Peanut Butter :> |
| 04:48.38 | abrotman | mfergus: depends on the permissions of the mount point and of the file i guess |
| 04:48.51 | ResPiDeR | hey how do I limit system's upload? |
| 04:48.52 | Guerin | ongeboren: #gnome on irc.gimp.org |
| 04:48.55 | mfergus | -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 165888 2004-12-29 13:44 WTBman_CH1.doc |
| 04:49.00 | mwilson | Wyzard: You know the PB... there's no mechanical switch... there's a magnetic reed switch under the keyboard and a magnet in the display. The first display they put on it was missing the magnet. :( |
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| 04:49.07 | Guerin | ResPiDeR: apt-get install wondershaper |
| 04:49.11 | abrotman | ongeboren: #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 04:49.28 | mfergus | drwxr--r-- 4 root root 18944 1969-12-31 19:00 flash1 |
| 04:49.40 | Wyzard | mwilson: Last time I was in computer withdrawal, I wrote a small crypto package on my HP48 ;-) |
| 04:49.42 | Loof | mwilson: The withdrawal method isn't very effective. |
| 04:49.54 | ongeboren | thanks |
| 04:50.03 | mwilson | Ah, HP48... great calculator. I have two. |
| 04:50.41 | Wyzard | I have only one, a GX with 128k and 512k cards, stuffed to the gills with dev stuff... I'd consider getting a 49 but unfortunately I don't really use the 48 much anymore |
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| 04:50.50 | mwilson | Forget the 49. |
| 04:50.56 | mwilson | it is *not* an improvement. |
| 04:51.01 | fusion | has anyone else got the following error, or do they know how to fix it?: Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hdc' when running "lilo" |
| 04:51.02 | Wyzard | It was mainly a way to entertain myself with programming in boring classes, but I'm out of school now |
| 04:51.03 | Guerin | Loof: I've had trouble with some apps not re-asking questions as well ... fetchmail being the most recent |
| 04:51.14 | Wyzard | The 49 has some improvements, and some drawbacks |
| 04:51.23 | mwilson | Mine are both G's... so no expandable memory. |
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| 04:51.48 | mwilson | I found the 49 to be slooooooow. |
| 04:51.57 | doub | fusion: it's not an error, it's a "Warning". that's because kernel uses devfs which is not mounted |
| 04:51.58 | mwilson | Like the 39G is. |
| 04:52.07 | Loof | I purged it and re-installed |
| 04:52.10 | mfergus | abrotman: heh... cool... mounted as mfergus instead of mounting from user of root and worked fine :-) |
| 04:52.13 | mwilson | If you've ever used one of those... like that slow. |
| 04:52.17 | fusion | doub: ohh ok..will it mount on reboot? |
| 04:52.26 | mfergus | abrotman: thanks for the guidance |
| 04:52.27 | Wyzard | mwilson: I haven't used a 39... but my brother has a 49 and it doesn't seem too bad |
| 04:52.29 | doub | fusion: depends on your configuration |
| 04:52.38 | Loof | I like the 69, but it can strain your neck |
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| 04:53.09 | fusion | how can I make sure it does? |
| 04:53.12 | mwilson | Well, I'm not a calculator whizkid, but I couldn't see any reason why you'd want a 49 if you had a 48. Especially a GX. |
| 04:53.14 | netstat | anyone runs xorg? |
| 04:53.15 | doub | fusion: if there's no "devfs" somewhere in your /etc/fstab then it won't |
| 04:53.18 | abrotman | mfergus: ok .. no problem .. glad it worked |
| 04:53.20 | mwilson | !anyone |
| 04:53.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 04:53.21 | Loof | Anyone here have much experience /w LCDs via VGA vs. DVI connectors? Since we're totally off topic. |
| 04:53.22 | fusion | okay |
| 04:53.32 | mwilson | Loof: What about them? |
| 04:53.39 | Wyzard | mwilson: More memory, and some useful packages (Java stack replacement, Erable CAS, etc.) built-in |
| 04:53.59 | Loof | Well, given the same quality display, how much of a difference does the interface make? |
| 04:54.00 | fusion | hmm there isn't :/ |
| 04:54.08 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: Because I can't put a laptop in my pocket and walk around a construction site with it. |
| 04:54.14 | Wyzard | mwilson: And a few other miscellaneous improvements, like a Lisp-esque "bignum" data type |
| 04:54.20 | mwilson | Loof: One is analog, the other is digital. |
| 04:54.29 | sgeigerbot | Wyzard: your pockets must be smaller than mine. |
| 04:54.30 | doub | fusion: but if you just changed your kernel, maybe the new one doesn't use devfs |
| 04:54.32 | Loof | Specifically, I was given a VGA interface only display for the holidays. |
| 04:54.43 | mwilson | Loof: And? |
| 04:54.43 | Loof | I'd have gone /w DVI if I bought one on my own |
| 04:54.46 | sgeigerbot | Wyzard: Well, that was a joke, but there is the oqo.com model. |
| 04:54.52 | Loof | but I wasn't planning on spending my money on that :> |
| 04:54.54 | mwilson | Loof: But you didn't buy it, so what's the problem? |
| 04:54.55 | fusion | doub: my hard drives (3 of them) are set up as LVM |
| 04:54.59 | Loof | So I'm wondering how much of a difference it makes. |
| 04:55.04 | fusion | and I am pretty sure the last hard drive is hdc |
| 04:55.07 | sgeigerbot | Wyzard: ...and a calculator is cheaper than an oqo. |
| 04:55.09 | doub | fusion: that has nothing to do with devfs |
| 04:55.17 | fusion | so it wont die? |
| 04:55.24 | Loof | i.e. is there a clarity or speed difference given the same basic display... |
| 04:55.26 | doub | fusion: no |
| 04:55.31 | fusion | okay.. thanks |
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| 04:56.01 | doub | fusion: except if you've set up your PVs with LVM |
| 04:56.11 | Loof | or Is it more like optical vs. coax SPDIF connectors :> |
| 04:56.11 | fusion | PVs? |
| 04:56.12 | doub | fusion: with devfs names, sorry |
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| 04:56.31 | doub | fusion: physical volume |
| 04:56.31 | Wyzard | mwilson: I used to spend my time disassembling and documenting ROM routines on the 48, and started writing a small database program to keep track of the data thus generated, but I was running out of memory in which to run the compiler... so the 49s having more stuff in ROM interests me; that's the main issue |
| 04:56.48 | fusion | Er I'm not too sure if I do or not :/ |
| 04:56.54 | mwilson | Loof: As I said, the one is analog, the other is digital. Make up your own mind. |
| 04:57.16 | doub | fusion: run pvscan it'll tell you if it can find them or not |
| 04:57.17 | Loof | mwilson: Have you used a display /w both and tried both connectors? |
| 04:57.30 | mwilson | While I was at the Apple store, I also bought a new keyboard and mouse for my bluewhite. |
| 04:57.43 | abrotman | apple junkies |
| 04:57.44 | fusion | it lists 3 devices |
| 04:57.50 | doub | fusion: no error? |
| 04:57.56 | fusion | nope |
| 04:58.10 | mwilson | abrotman: Yep... only Windows left on my personal equipment is my thinkpad and it becomes oBSD this weekend. |
| 04:58.20 | doub | fusion: so they were not referenced using devfs names |
| 04:58.29 | Loof | bluewhite is a thing? |
| 04:58.29 | abrotman | mwilson: apple junkie! :) |
| 04:58.33 | Loof | Hell, is it even a color |
| 04:58.34 | abrotman | Loof: type of mac |
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| 04:58.47 | abrotman | old G3 tower i assume |
| 04:58.54 | Wyzard | My Thinkpad runs Debian :-P |
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| 04:58.58 | abrotman | as does mine :) |
| 04:59.01 | VoltageX | abrotman: I'm a PC person but I run DebianPPC on a 233mhz orange box :D |
| 04:59.06 | Loof | I think green sounds faster than blue-white... |
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| 04:59.07 | sgeigerbot | Wyzard: mine, too |
| 04:59.08 | Loof | Or yellow |
| 04:59.11 | doub | fusion: you'd rather disable devfs from your kernel if you don't want to fuck up your lvm then |
| 04:59.12 | Wyzard | and it'll be going with me on vacation to Vermont next week |
| 04:59.12 | Loof | yellow has got to be really fast |
| 04:59.13 | mwilson | A Blue & White is a G3. |
| 04:59.15 | Loof | especially dogs |
| 04:59.16 | VoltageX | or tangerine if you want to be specific |
| 04:59.19 | Loof | yellow dogs are fastest |
| 04:59.19 | mwilson | Well, it *was* a G3. |
| 04:59.33 | DarknessX | Loof: I thought grey ones were... |
| 04:59.43 | fusion | doub: http://pastebin.com/134695 |
| 04:59.45 | Loof | DarknessX: Depends on the pun you are aiming for. |
| 04:59.52 | mwilson | Same motherboard as was in the 1st G4 Apple made. |
| 05:00.00 | mwilson | Only problem with it is no AGP. |
| 05:00.09 | Loof | DarknessX: Yellow Dog Linux is a PPC/Mac Friendly flavor :> |
| 05:00.15 | mwilson | But it has 66 mhz PCI which makes up for a lot of that. |
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| 05:00.38 | Loof | mwilson: PCI-32 or 64? |
| 05:00.56 | fusion | should I still disable devfs? |
| 05:00.58 | mwilson | Loof: PCI-64 didn't exist when this guy was made. |
| 05:01.17 | mwilson | Wyzard: I've run Debian on my thinkpad. I'd rather have portable *nix via my PB. |
| 05:01.32 | mwilson | Wyzard: But I figure I'll try oBSD on it. |
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| 05:01.33 | Pollus-Vangrell | hi, i have on question, when i enter in debian the grafical interface dont start, only text mode to logon... wha i do to start KDE? |
| 05:01.34 | sword- | sup |
| 05:01.40 | Loof | I think OSX is nice. |
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| 05:01.47 | Loof | reminds me vaguely of NeXT OS |
| 05:01.50 | DarknessX | Loof: I know what Yellow Dog is... I was going for the greyhound pun :-P |
| 05:01.52 | Loof | which gives warm and fuzzy feelings |
| 05:01.56 | doub | fusion: yes that's what you told me. however your /proc/partitions is full of dev/lun/disk and the like names, i bet |
| 05:02.06 | mwilson | Loof: It should, seeing as how it's based on it. |
| 05:02.09 | DarknessX | Pollus-Vangrell: either apt-get install gdm, or 'startx' |
| 05:02.14 | Loof | mwilson: REALLY? |
| 05:02.16 | Loof | Sheesh |
| 05:02.28 | Pollus-Vangrell | THZ ALOT ;* |
| 05:02.30 | Loof | Next thing you'll tell me they are still using Objective-C! |
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| 05:03.30 | fusion | doub: there is no "dev" mentioned at all in that file, its all like this ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/disc |
| 05:04.13 | doub | fusion: that's because your kernel uses devfs, while your LVs where set without it. if you don't want trouble, AND get rid of the lilo warning, disable it |
| 05:04.21 | Loof | Actually, I got my mom switched over to a flower pot imac and she's been really happy /w it |
| 05:04.35 | ongeboren | can somebody help me how can I make nautilus open an image inside of nautilus rather than opening it with an external application? /* the do not reply on gnome.org.. */ |
| 05:04.39 | fusion | okay so if I disable devfs its not going to complain and it'll be fine? |
| 05:04.48 | doub | fusion: yes |
| 05:04.51 | fusion | ok |
| 05:04.53 | fusion | thanks :) |
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| 05:05.25 | dac | mwilson: you got an bright idea for me, what to think of when a user wants to log in from two machines at the same time (XFree) and those hosts have /home directories shared? |
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| 05:07.10 | mwilson | dac: Why're you asking me? |
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| 05:08.02 | dac | mwilson: i hope you know an answer, or idea. my first thought is to have an .xinitrc.hostname. would that be possible? |
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| 05:08.30 | mwilson | dac: I have no idea. |
| 05:08.30 | dac | mwilson: and thus; the window managers wouldnt play fine with that. just think of the hosts have different resolutions. |
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| 05:09.06 | initech | dac: the xserver is local, nothing in the $home about that |
| 05:09.43 | dac | initech: sure. think of the saved states of your window manager. |
| 05:09.46 | initech | dac: their desktop will look different in different resolutions, but there's not a lot you can do about it |
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| 05:09.59 | mwilson | People have been writing init files that're machine-sensitive for years... why is this all of a sudden an issue? |
| 05:10.03 | FieldySnuts | badgers |
| 05:10.25 | mwilson | As for "saved states of your window manager"... that assumes your window manager saves "states". |
| 05:10.26 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: People are starting to learn from the past? :-) |
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| 05:10.57 | dac | mwilson: well, but why should they. maybe the design could be fixed. |
| 05:11.16 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: I have no idea. Nor do I have an idea why he's picking on me to help him. I have no interest. |
| 05:11.46 | dac | initech: yes, your right. but most will. |
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| 05:14.24 | sgeigerbot | !733-368 |
| 05:14.24 | dpkg | 365 |
| 05:15.49 | kaplanfx | I have a share that I mounted with konqueror, and Im unable to unmount it |
| 05:15.53 | kaplanfx | its cuasing all kinds of probs |
| 05:15.56 | kaplanfx | oh its a samba share |
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| 05:16.45 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: can you unmount it using umount? |
| 05:16.51 | kaplanfx | dondelelcaro: nope |
| 05:17.02 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: what error does umount give you? |
| 05:17.10 | kaplanfx | mount reports //kappy/My_Pictures on /home/kaplanfx/smb_network/kappy/my pictures type smbfs (rw) |
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| 05:17.42 | kaplanfx | dondelelcaro: oh haha, I became root and was able to do it |
| 05:17.43 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: and umount '/home/kaplanfx/smb_network/kappy/my pictures'; ? |
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| 05:18.10 | kaplanfx | I dunno why I mounted as kaplanfx and was trying to unmount as kaplanfx |
| 05:18.23 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: use smbumount in that case. |
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| 05:19.48 | kaplanfx | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 05:19.55 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: np |
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| 05:21.23 | arestheimpaler | anyone know what bot this channel has? where can I download a good bot? etc? |
| 05:21.41 | ApEtc | !blootbot |
| 05:21.41 | dpkg | from memory, blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 05:22.03 | arestheimpaler | ApEtc, thanks |
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| 05:23.26 | davedoom | hi guys. I have a new woody box curtesy of the colinux project (rocking good BTW), and I want to mount an existing xfs partition. The problem is that the driver is not in modules.conf |
| 05:23.36 | ahren | hi guys i have a question i just ran kpackage and installed a new version of the linux 2.4 kernel and now when i restart i am not able to get the gdm running. what do i have to do? |
| 05:23.42 | davedoom | It looks like the modules.conf file is not modifiable any more. |
| 05:24.12 | ahren | i am not able to start the server |
| 05:24.24 | davedoom | there are new files in .etc/modprobe.d/ with strange names and I am afraid |
| 05:24.49 | ahren | and when i installed the newer version of the kernel, the apt box said that i have start a new mod file or something like this, any help? |
| 05:24.53 | jcarr_ | isn't there some command to add something to crontab, or do you need to add it by hand |
| 05:26.00 | ahren | can anyone help me? |
| 05:26.28 | dondelelcaro | yes, but will anyone help you... that's the critical question. |
| 05:26.36 | davedoom | jcarr, you can edit the crontab with a text editor. is it a root or a user crontab? |
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| 05:27.42 | jcarr_ | user |
| 05:27.52 | davedoom | try the command crontab -e |
| 05:27.57 | davedoom | as the user. |
| 05:28.20 | davedoom | it is very easy. the file only needs one line. |
| 05:32.20 | jcarr_ | yeah... I just wanted to ensure... I want to make an install script for my program, since it has timed commands |
| 05:32.33 | jcarr_ | and I dont want to code a daemon |
| 05:33.02 | davedoom | jcarr check this out: |
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| 05:33.22 | davedoom | http://www.schooner.com/~loverso/no-ads/ |
| 05:33.38 | davedoom | he wrote a "deamon" in about 4 lines of shell. |
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| 05:35.06 | ahren_ | hello how do i install a new kernel revision image? |
| 05:35.10 | ahren_ | i used kpackage |
| 05:35.17 | ahren_ | and apt |
| 05:35.27 | ahren_ | and now when i start my computer i can not start x server |
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| 05:35.39 | ahren_ | can someone please help me |
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| 05:35.56 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.31 | ahren_ | ? |
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| 05:37.12 | davedoom | ahren, sounds like your new kernel might not have a driver from your video card. |
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| 05:37.21 | davedoom | what error message do you get? |
| 05:37.32 | ahren_ | ok hold on |
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| 05:38.01 | ahren_ | well i can't find it now |
| 05:38.08 | ahren_ | but it says that i am not able to run x server |
| 05:38.12 | davedoom | check /var/log/syslog |
| 05:38.14 | ahren_ | and that it tried many times to start |
| 05:38.40 | netstat | can anyone install xorg on debian? |
| 05:38.42 | ahren_ | but when i start the computer i get a lot of error messages because the kernel is no longer compatible |
| 05:38.53 | ahren_ | when i was running apt |
| 05:38.55 | davedoom | like what? |
| 05:39.06 | ahren_ | it said that it was setting up a temporary mod file or something like that |
| 05:39.14 | ahren_ | but i had to restart immediately |
| 05:39.20 | ahren_ | and fix something |
| 05:39.24 | ahren_ | and i forgot |
| 05:39.26 | ahren_ | what it was |
| 05:39.29 | davedoom | big help. |
| 05:39.35 | sussudio | ahren_: stop it, moron |
| 05:39.36 | davedoom | ok. what kernel? |
| 05:39.53 | ahren_ | the newest 2.4.7 i think it is |
| 05:39.56 | sussudio | !tell ahren_ about enter |
| 05:39.57 | sussudio | again |
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| 05:40.25 | davedoom | tis is woody? |
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| 05:40.33 | ahren_ | testing |
| 05:40.53 | davedoom | omething not right about that. |
| 05:41.14 | davedoom | what kernel did sarge come with guys? |
| 05:41.38 | ahren_ | what do you usually do after installing a new kernel? |
| 05:41.48 | sussudio | !faq |
| 05:41.48 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 05:42.00 | davedoom | apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 05:42.35 | davedoom | you might want to get procps from backports, but new 2.4 should run fine. |
| 05:42.55 | ahren_ | ok |
| 05:43.12 | ahren_ | so why are all my programs not working with the new kernel installed? |
| 05:43.26 | davedoom | don't know. need to see an erro message. |
| 05:43.36 | ahren_ | i am not able to start x server, gdm or anything |
| 05:43.41 | ahren_ | ok i will restart and come back |
| 05:44.04 | davedoom | check dmesg. is all the hardware there? what error messages? |
| 05:44.17 | jcarr_ | okay.. I'm a bit clueless.. how can I go about adding a cronjob to run a file every hour? |
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| 05:44.28 | ApEtc | crontab -e to edit the file |
| 05:44.36 | ApEtc | "man cron" to know what to put in it |
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| 05:47.47 | jcarr_ | that was shit easy |
| 05:48.07 | jcarr_ | I was scared because I always saw these neatly formatted cron files |
| 05:48.12 | jcarr_ | with extra spaces |
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| 05:49.21 | ongeboren | please help me, where should I search for the config file for file associations in gnome ? |
| 05:49.54 | benjamindees | where might I find md5sums for the Sarge weekly snapshot isos ? |
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| 05:51.10 | jasz | hello |
| 05:51.21 | jasz | what is the correct order (oldest -> newest) stable -> testing -> unstable ? |
| 05:51.31 | jasz | or stable -> unstable -> testing ? |
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| 05:52.08 | ongeboren | stable testing unstable |
| 05:52.12 | sussudio | !confuse jasz |
| 05:52.13 | dpkg | Yes, those are their mushroom yesterday, jasz? pants of the republic of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 05:52.38 | benjamindees | lol |
| 05:52.55 | sussudio | no. there is no such thing as 'newest'. they're called stable, testing and unstable because that's what they are. |
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| 05:53.39 | steve-^ | hey all |
| 05:53.40 | steve-^ | how do I redirect stderr to stdout? |
| 05:53.56 | Loof | experimental |
| 05:53.58 | Loof | don't forget that ;) |
| 05:54.33 | sussudio | !fgi steve how do I redirect stderr to stdout? |
| 05:54.34 | dpkg | steve: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=how do I redirect stderr to stdout |
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| 05:55.36 | ahren | hello again. |
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| 05:56.07 | ahren | the error message said i cannot start the x server, it may be possible that it is not set up correctly. |
| 05:56.35 | ahren | I was curious how you purge an old kernel and use the new revised kernel as default with all applications |
| 05:56.59 | RichiH | !tell ahren about set up x |
| 05:57.08 | mrwill | ahren: uh, you just reboot to change kernels. |
| 05:57.37 | RichiH | oh, perhaps i should read the whole question before reacting ;) |
| 05:57.40 | ahren | ok |
| 05:58.13 | mrwill | ahren: if you never want to boot into one again, you can use apt-get to remove it, and then reconfigure your boot loader so it doesn't show up on the menu. |
| 05:58.28 | ahren | I have just installed a revised verion of the 2.4 kernel, and when i start my machine I recieve a lot of error messages and that x server is not set up correctly. |
| 05:59.05 | mrwill | ahren: that probably has more to do with the x server than the kernel, but I guess it must have worked before, huh? |
| 05:59.10 | ahren | i want to boot into gdm like usual, but it can not start because it is having a hard time running the x config file |
| 05:59.19 | ahren | yes it was working before |
| 05:59.51 | mrwill | ahren: what do the logs say? |
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| 06:00.09 | ahren | The message said that it was going to run a temporary mod interpreter file and then when i rebooted it was necessary for me to create a new file, but i forgot which one it was. |
| 06:00.26 | ahren | how do i look at the apt log? |
| 06:00.36 | mrwill | ahren: no, the xfree86 logs. |
| 06:00.47 | benjamindees | do .deb packages include a checksum of their contents and if so is there a program to verify .deb files are uncorrupted? |
| 06:01.03 | sgeigerbot | ahren: what is the apt log? |
| 06:01.07 | ahren | I am new to this, so how would I look at them? |
| 06:01.10 | mrwill | benjamindees: I think md5 hashes of the debs are available. |
| 06:01.17 | sgeigerbot | ahren: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 06:01.21 | ahren | a log where i can review what apt installed and configured. |
| 06:01.41 | sgeigerbot | ahren: there isn't one. You can use "dpkg --list | less" to see what is installed. |
| 06:01.53 | ahren | ok |
| 06:02.01 | mrwill | ahren: really, you need to look at your xfree86 logs, to see what errors are happening on startup. |
| 06:02.05 | sgeigerbot | ahren: ...but don't ignore that factoid I gave you. |
| 06:02.08 | ahren | thank you. |
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| 06:02.22 | mrwill | ahren: they are in /var/log/ |
| 06:02.29 | ahren | how do i look at the xfree86 logs? is that in the /etc/X11 folder? |
| 06:02.32 | ahren | ok |
| 06:02.51 | benjamindees | mrwill, perhaps apt is capable of that... |
| 06:03.05 | mrwill | benjamindees: I'm not sure it does that automatically, though. |
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| 06:03.42 | Assid | heya |
| 06:03.44 | mrwill | benjamindees: if the downloaded packages are corrupt, it is unlikely they will install. |
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| 06:04.42 | Loof | How can I convince a package that it is already configured. |
| 06:04.51 | Loof | the config. script on one of my packages is rather broken |
| 06:04.55 | ahren | i think that the new kernel cannot recognize my nvidia kernel until i reconfigure it. |
| 06:05.14 | ahren | How do I tell the x config file not to read my video card? |
| 06:05.17 | mrwill | ahren: ah, you had nvidia drivers installed in the old kernel. |
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| 06:05.23 | ahren | yes |
| 06:05.45 | mrwill | ahren: did you install them from the debian packages? |
| 06:05.52 | ahren | yes |
| 06:06.08 | Tweak | Anybody here with webmin knowlegde? I cant find a webmin irc channel with people awake in it. Just apt-get installed webmin and its super slow. But my munin and regular websites are running fine. |
| 06:06.14 | Loof | Actually, I'll just modify the script :> |
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| 06:06.23 | mrwill | ahren: might try installing them again, probably aren't installed in new kernel. |
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| 06:06.33 | ahren | ok |
| 06:06.59 | ahren | I am sorry but i have no idea how to do that. I am a windows convert and do not have a lot of technical knowledge. |
| 06:07.12 | mrwill | ahren: but you said you installed them before... |
| 06:07.17 | ahren | yes |
| 06:07.20 | ahren | i did. |
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| 06:07.34 | ahren | But it was through a howto manual |
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| 06:08.25 | ahren | what character can i put in a config file to tell it not to read that line? |
| 06:08.45 | mrwill | ahren: you want to comment out that line, you put # in front of it. |
| 06:08.46 | Assid | # |
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| 06:09.01 | jasz_ | hello |
| 06:09.19 | mrwill | ahren: but I'm not sure that will fix your problem, because I'm not sure what you are commenting out, and like you said, you don't have a lot of technical knowledge. |
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| 06:09.31 | mrwill | ahren: what version of debian are you on? woody, sarge... |
| 06:09.41 | jasz_ | i just installed debian using an iso image.. this is debian stable.. how do i upgrade to "testing" ? which lines do i need to add to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 06:09.54 | ahren | sarge testing |
| 06:10.08 | mrwill | jasz_: just change word stable or woody to sarge or testing. |
| 06:10.22 | jasz_ | mrwill .. ok.. thank you |
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| 06:10.53 | mrwill | jasz_: be warned if you say 'testing' you will still be tracking testing when sarge is released. |
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| 06:10.55 | ahren | and i just ran update, upgrade and i started having these problems |
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| 06:11.03 | wobbler | ahren when you upgraded the kernel did you reboot? |
| 06:11.07 | ahren | yes |
| 06:11.11 | wobbler | k |
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| 06:11.33 | ahren | But now I can not get gdm to work and I think that there are kernel depency problems |
| 06:11.40 | mrwill | ahren: what does uname -a say? |
| 06:11.43 | joss | does someone dare to answer to one siple question concerning bind and that thread here http://www.madboa.com/geek/soho-bind/#cachenamedconf :)?? |
| 06:12.13 | joss | anyways , does this conf here http://www.madboa.com/geek/soho-bind/#cachenamedconf requires shcroder.net domain to be register to this ip 10.11.12.1? |
| 06:12.14 | ahren | do you mean what kernel version? |
| 06:12.48 | ahren | 2.4.27-1-i386 |
| 06:13.07 | plm | anyone has workable link for installing XFree86 4.4 or Xorg on sid? I have stability issues with i865 and XFree86 4.3. Thanks. |
| 06:13.22 | Guerin | plm: /topic |
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| 06:13.27 | ahren | but the old x server was reading it as 2.4.26 i686 i think |
| 06:13.42 | xhypno | Hello all! |
| 06:14.05 | mrwill | ahren: ok, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 06:14.06 | plm | Guerin ? |
| 06:14.31 | Guerin | plm: what is unclear |
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| 06:15.19 | ahren | thank you mrwill. Why is it that when my system is starting up it says usbcore already loaded 4 times and gives error messages for VFS can't find ext3 |
| 06:15.26 | mrwill | ahren: your problem is that the driver is missing from your kernel, at least it seems to be. |
| 06:15.41 | mrwill | ahren: those messages are just cosmetic problems -- don't worry about them. |
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| 06:16.26 | ahren | it says i already have that driver installed |
| 06:16.53 | wobbler | mrwill it seems strange to me that apt would upgrade a i686 kernel with a i386 on ahren's system |
| 06:16.54 | ixane | how the hell can an error on startup be a cosmetic problem?! |
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| 06:17.01 | benjamindees | mrwill, ah, so there is a file md5sum.txt on each CD that contains the md5sums... now to find a program/script to make use of it |
| 06:17.01 | plm | Guerin: msg dpkg about xorg gives little and not helpful information. |
| 06:17.05 | vk | labas rytas |
| 06:17.21 | Guerin | !xorg |
| 06:17.21 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 06:17.26 | ahren | Could it be that the system has not purged and replaced the old kernel file? |
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| 06:17.28 | Guerin | plm: you lose. |
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| 06:17.50 | plm | Has anyone tried XFree86 4.4? |
| 06:17.50 | Guerin | plm: you're too stupid to install xorg if you're unable to get usable info from that factoid. |
| 06:18.27 | mrwill | ahren: that is not a valid explanation for what is going on, no. to repeat, no. |
| 06:18.32 | nsillik | plm: i'm on 4.4 right now, i do think |
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| 06:18.41 | ahren | ok |
| 06:18.42 | plm | Guerin: thanks. It mentions that the packages are horrible. |
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| 06:18.56 | nsillik | plm: uhh, nope, i was definitely wrong |
| 06:19.09 | plm | nsillik: ok. |
| 06:19.11 | ahren | i installed all this in kpackage is there a way to make sure that everything has been configured correctly? I think I had that problem once. |
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| 06:19.16 | xhypno | Hello All! |
| 06:19.20 | takatumi | plm: why xorg? |
| 06:19.36 | plm | I do not want xorg; I just want to stop the random crashes on XFree86 |
| 06:19.44 | ixane | Guerin: wow, that was really condecending. |
| 06:19.44 | RainbowW | what does smtp error 550 mean? (error: 550 rejected: cannont route to sender <my address>)? i'm getting this from a debian.org mail server. |
| 06:19.48 | ixane | not to mention rude. |
| 06:19.53 | mrwill | ahren: the way to make sure what is configured correctly? I'm trying to get you to install a module in your kernel that will allow your graphics card to work with xfree86. |
| 06:19.54 | plm | From what I have read, the bug with the intel drivers was fixed in XFree86 4.4 |
| 06:19.57 | nsillik | plm: what are your logs saying about the crashes |
| 06:20.00 | xhypno | does anyone have a list of the main deb repositories? |
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| 06:20.50 | ahren | there was some command that I ran once, because things were not configured correctly that helped me to get my system running again, because for some reason apt in kpackage did not configure it correctly. |
| 06:20.51 | plm | nsillik: this is rather well documented on the web... something with memory problems.. |
| 06:20.51 | RainbowW | xhypno: www.debian.org/mirrors i believe is the location. perhaps mirrors.html. i forget now since i run my own mirror. |
| 06:21.00 | benjamindees | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 06:21.00 | mrwill | ahren: if you have installed the package I told you to, try modprobe nvidia as root. |
| 06:21.03 | nsillik | plm: i810? |
| 06:21.21 | plm | yes, the driver is the i810. The card is the i865 |
| 06:21.39 | ahren | it gives me a lot of error messages. |
| 06:21.49 | nsillik | plm: i had a hell of a time with the i810, so i junked that computer |
| 06:21.59 | ahren | almost all of them say unresolved symbols. |
| 06:22.07 | xhypno | Thanks Rainboww and benjamindees |
| 06:22.14 | jm_ | nothing odd about that, i810 graphic cards are junk ;) |
| 06:22.15 | plm | nsillik: I see. I am still trying to simply change X instead :-) |
| 06:22.31 | takatumi | xhypno: apt-spy will get you the fastest one. |
| 06:22.39 | ahren | it says i am trying to load a module without a GPL license and it has unresolved problems |
| 06:22.43 | plm | Unfortunately, this is what I have jm_ :-) |
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| 06:23.05 | mrwill | ahren: a lot of error messages, eh? like what? |
| 06:23.06 | jm_ | plm: can't you buy some used one for $10 or $20? |
| 06:23.15 | ahren | ok |
| 06:23.35 | nsillik | plm: I would take jm_'s advice |
| 06:23.47 | plm | OK, thanks. |
| 06:23.57 | TweakGames | Anybody here with webmin knowlegde? I cant find a webmin irc channel with people awake in it. Just apt-get installed webmin and its super slow. But my munin and regular websites are running fine. |
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| 06:24.11 | mrwill | TweakGames: most people here don't use webmin |
| 06:24.38 | nsillik | plm: i worked for months trying to get an i810 to work well, never happened, and i've never heard of anyone having even the slightest bit of luck |
| 06:24.54 | TweakGames | mrwill what other alternatives are there that are already all setup and ready to use? |
| 06:25.07 | plm | nsillik: presumably there are simple bugs in XFree86 4.3; they are fixed in 4.4. |
| 06:25.21 | mrwill | TweakGames: the shell comes to mind. |
| 06:25.32 | TweakGames | the shell? |
| 06:25.34 | plm | nsillik: I tried merging the sources with the debian source but I still have trouble getting the whole thing together... |
| 06:25.51 | nsillik | plm: xorg should be packaged soon, or so i hear |
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| 06:26.00 | TweakGames | mrwill I need to set up users so they can start / stop their game servers from a webpage. |
| 06:26.01 | benjamindees | I'm using an i865 right now on Fedora core 1, everything since then has been broken though :( |
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| 06:26.29 | plm | benjamindees: you also have XFree86 4.3 I presume? |
| 06:26.44 | benjamindees | plm, 4.3.0-55 (redhat version) |
| 06:26.54 | mrwill | TweakGames: so write a cgi script or something. webmin isn't 'all set up and ready to use' for that. |
| 06:27.25 | plm | benjamindees: this version of X is why I spent a whole day hacking into debian's source code... |
| 06:27.29 | takatumi | plm: I did install the xorg debs from apt-get.org, works well, installed fine, however you might have problems during upgrades |
| 06:27.40 | mrwill | TweakGames: if game server is just a program, that can be run under their user id, why not invoke it from a cgi with a system call or something? |
| 06:27.57 | benjamindees | plm, I can't say it works *well*, I have to disable dga to get wine to work reliably, but it works okay |
| 06:28.00 | robrock | well be back tomorrow when i get debian installed. |
| 06:28.01 | plm | takatumi: how is GL accelleration? I want to do lots of biomolecular animations. |
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| 06:28.14 | ahren | here mrwill ilib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/nvidia/nvidia.o: /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/nvidia/nvidia.o: unresolved symbol creat_proc_entry _Rcd01de19 |
| 06:28.17 | mrwill | TweakGames: if game server means physical box, if you turn it off, webmin goes away with it. |
| 06:28.39 | takatumi | plm: mine is a radeon IGP340, managed to get DRI working, dunno about i8xx |
| 06:28.44 | mrwill | ahren: and are you sure you are running the right kernel? why won't you tell me what uname -a says? |
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| 06:28.51 | ahren | i did already |
| 06:28.54 | plm | takatumi: thanks. |
| 06:29.08 | ahren | 2.4.27-1-i386 |
| 06:29.26 | takatumi | plm: read the changelogs, google |
| 06:29.32 | budluva | how do i extract a rar? file-roller doesnt seem to like rars |
| 06:29.46 | xhypno | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ woody stable |
| 06:29.50 | streuner | budluva: apt-get install unrar |
| 06:29.50 | smj | Is there anything special I have to do to have antialiased fonts produced from LaTeX? |
| 06:29.58 | xhypno | Is that correct for the apt-get source file |
| 06:30.07 | ahren | mrwill do you want the whole thing? |
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| 06:30.12 | ahren | or just my kernel version. |
| 06:30.17 | jm_ | xhypno: of course not |
| 06:30.19 | mrwill | ahren: ok, you need some more packages, nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source. |
| 06:30.19 | TweakGames | mrwill here is an exmple of how they stop their server "screen -r mygame01 -X quit" |
| 06:30.33 | xhypno | can you please provide me the correct format |
| 06:30.33 | streuner | budluva: look for the unfree version if you need >3 version of rar |
| 06:30.35 | TweakGames | mrwill and start it "screen -dmS mygame01 ./hlds_run -game cstrike +ip <yourip> +port <yourport> +maxplayers 12 +exec server.cfg " |
| 06:30.40 | mrwill | ahren: nah, I think I've got you figured out. |
| 06:30.42 | jm_ | no, run apt-setup |
| 06:30.46 | TweakGames | mrwill all I had to do was make to modules that are start and stop. |
| 06:30.56 | ahren | glx already installed. |
| 06:31.00 | budluva | E: Package unrar has no installation candidate |
| 06:31.22 | ahren | nvidia-kernel-source is installed as well |
| 06:31.24 | mrwill | TweakGames: well, great, have at it, but the thing is, webmin might be slower than another alternative because it uses it's own web server, written in perl. |
| 06:31.25 | mwilson | zooba zooba zooba |
| 06:31.41 | poncho | Hi, I am a newbie trying to configure debian... I have problems when shutting down the system (it does not shut the computer off) Can anyone give me some pointers? |
| 06:31.48 | mrwill | ahren: ok, have a look at the docs in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/ |
| 06:31.54 | jm_ | poncho: you need APM or ACPI |
| 06:31.55 | hairy_potter | poncho: get ACPI/APM |
| 06:31.59 | streuner | budluva: what version of debian? |
| 06:32.07 | poncho | woody r3 |
| 06:32.09 | streuner | !info unrar |
| 06:32.15 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 06:32.33 | budluva | streuner, sarge |
| 06:32.49 | streuner | budluva: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 06:32.57 | bucky | apt-cache search unrar |
| 06:32.58 | jm_ | unrar is also in Sarge, but it has different name ... |
| 06:33.09 | bucky | unrar-nonfree - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version) |
| 06:33.12 | streuner | !info unrar sarge |
| 06:33.15 | ahren | so i am supposed to read that and make it work? |
| 06:33.15 | mrwill | ahren: the docs should tell you how to build the driver and get it installed in your kernel. |
| 06:33.34 | mrwill | ahren: yes. |
| 06:33.39 | bucky | !info unrar-nonfree sarge |
| 06:33.41 | dpkg | unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.3.6-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 174 kB |
| 06:33.50 | ahren | how do i use the generic driver and disable the nvidia card for the time being so i can use the internet and get into x? |
| 06:34.09 | _joey | does anyone know if there's .deb bundle for zebra ? |
| 06:34.13 | smj | Ahh, I found it. Cool. lyx produces beautiful text now, thanks anyway. |
| 06:34.32 | mrwill | ahren: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, I believe. |
| 06:34.37 | budluva | i dont see a nonfree version of unra |
| 06:35.04 | jm_ | zebra? as in routing daemon? |
| 06:35.06 | TweakGames | mrwill could you give me an example on this cgi script? And can I do what I showed you? |
| 06:35.08 | budluva | E: Couldn't find package unrar-nonfree |
| 06:35.08 | streuner | budluva: well, what do you think, apt don't like you then? |
| 06:35.12 | ahren | i have a copy of the old config file i will cp to the existing one for the time being |
| 06:35.18 | bucky | ahren edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and change "nvidia" to "nv" |
| 06:35.24 | mrwill | TweakGames: you mean do it for you? no. |
| 06:35.25 | ahren | thank you |
| 06:35.30 | ahren | bucky |
| 06:35.34 | ahren | I thought that was the right answer |
| 06:35.46 | ahren | but I did not know if I had to do more. |
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| 06:36.01 | streuner | budlova: setup sources.list with 'nonfree' |
| 06:36.13 | mrwill | ahren: no. I tried to give you the graphical version so it would be easier, but that is right. |
| 06:36.25 | xhypno | unfortunately, apt-setup will not work |
| 06:36.32 | mrwill | ahren: once you've done that, should be able to 'startx' successfully. |
| 06:36.37 | streuner | budlova: or use pdo (/msg dpkg pdo) |
| 06:36.44 | xhypno | can anyone provide me with the format of the deb repository call |
| 06:37.05 | ahren | thank you mrwill. |
| 06:37.42 | ahren | I did not mean to offend, but I wanted a direct answer for the last question, but you have been really thankful, thank you for your help. I will try to restart now. |
| 06:37.49 | jm_ | xhypno: no, run apt-setup |
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| 06:38.22 | xhypno | did you not just see my msg that apt-setup will not work on my system |
| 06:38.36 | takatumi | why not? what error? |
| 06:38.39 | ahren | I will come back if it is not running correctly. mrwill i had one more question, why is it that my computer is running slower every day? |
| 06:38.54 | jm_ | then your system is utterly fucked |
| 06:38.58 | ahren | this is a serious question. Am I using too much hard drive space? |
| 06:39.16 | xhypno | Running Ubuntu to try it out, apt-setup will only setup ubuntu mirrors. |
| 06:39.39 | streuner | xhypno: #ubuntu |
| 06:39.52 | ahren | Another question I had is this, is it a bad idea to run apt from x to upgrade? or should I use from a virtual terminal? |
| 06:39.58 | ongeboren | how can I open an image with the internal nautilus image viewer ? it always gets me an external program.. ? |
| 06:40.04 | xhypno | I am trying to setup the debian repositories, not the ubuntu repositories |
| 06:40.10 | mrwill | ahren: no difference. |
| 06:40.10 | jm_ | it doesn't matter - it will still add an entry for source packages |
| 06:40.25 | ahren | and what about the first question? |
| 06:40.25 | mrwill | ahren: as for the speed question, there is no way I can answer that, it's too open ended. |
| 06:40.27 | streuner | ongeboren: set it up in preferences or such? |
| 06:40.30 | fofos | xhypno: why not installing debian instead of ubuntu then ? you're stupid ? |
| 06:40.40 | _joey | has anyone played with zebra package? |
| 06:40.42 | TweakGames | mrwill I mean is it possible to do it? Is that what cgi is for? |
| 06:40.52 | ahren | does the amount of information you have on the hard drive affect the speed of processes? |
| 06:41.02 | sussudio | !irritate _joey |
| 06:41.03 | dpkg | _joey: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx |
| 06:41.16 | xhypno | no, Debian is a pain on a laptop. My servers are all running woody. But I am on the road and don't have access to them at the moment |
| 06:41.20 | mrwill | ahren: not unless they access the disk a lot, and some do, and some don't. |
| 06:41.33 | ongeboren | streuner: i cannot.. i'm getting frustrated already days with this thing.. help |
| 06:41.48 | ahren | I am going to try to reboot now. If you don't see me, everything is working, sort of hehe. |
| 06:41.50 | mrwill | TweakGames: you could write a cgi script that would make a system call to run those commands, if you had any idea what you were doing, which you don't. |
| 06:42.03 | mrwill | ahren: good luck. |
| 06:42.54 | takatumi | xhypno: debootstrap, hurry hurry. |
| 06:42.56 | streuner | ongeboren: i can't - nautilus is too big and slow, i don't use it myself anymore, get a decent one like gentoo or mc, to see pictures i would use gqview |
| 06:43.21 | xhypno | some of you people are total idiots |
| 06:43.32 | mrwill | xhypno: oh boy, I love abuse! |
| 06:43.47 | sussudio | !abuse xhypno |
| 06:43.49 | dpkg | xhypno: Your type *really* makes me puke! |
| 06:43.51 | _joey | !irritate sussudio |
| 06:43.52 | TweakGames | mrwill I wuv you. |
| 06:43.52 | dpkg | sussudio: hi every1 how does I run teh mouse lol |
| 06:44.03 | jm_ | bwahaha |
| 06:44.16 | Assid | hrmm.. i wonder if this works |
| 06:44.20 | Assid | !irritate dpkg |
| 06:44.21 | dpkg | dpkg: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh grafixx windows ????? |
| 06:44.21 | streuner | you calling us idiots using ubuntu and asking here? |
| 06:44.50 | mrwill | wait, don't we know ubuntu is based on debian, except it's completely different |
| 06:45.03 | streuner | hehe |
| 06:45.09 | Assid | its like redhat and mandrake |
| 06:45.14 | Assid | based on.. but not the same |
| 06:45.37 | ongeboren | streuner: i'm used to nautilus as far as it is my file browser.. it seems easy and logical to me to view images with the file browser.. even m$ windows does it.. |
| 06:45.47 | xhypno | no I didn't ask how to set something up, I just asked someone to be nice enough to read a config file and paste a line for me. Some people respond the way you guys are, that ='s idiot |
| 06:46.02 | jm_ | uhuh |
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| 06:46.16 | jm_ | as opposed to the idiot who can't read man page for sources.list |
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| 06:46.52 | jm_ | it even has examples for the challenged types |
| 06:47.06 | mrwill | xhypno: you have to understand, we get people like you in here all the time... really, all the time, round the clock. just go to the right channel (#ubuntu) and everybody's happy. |
| 06:47.09 | liyu | hello |
| 06:47.15 | liyu | hi |
| 06:47.18 | liyu | hi |
| 06:47.21 | liyu | hello |
| 06:47.39 | mrwill | Iiyu: hello, and hello, and hi. |
| 06:47.48 | liyu | yeoo9] |
| 06:47.51 | liyu | yy |
| 06:48.06 | mrwill | well, that was surreal. |
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| 06:48.13 | debian | mrwill: what a polite guy he is |
| 06:48.15 | nullvoid | I am getting 538 Encryption required for requested authentication mechanism |
| 06:48.25 | Shadur | mrwill: Think he'll be back once his pot high wears off? |
| 06:48.26 | nullvoid | I am trying to get smtp auth but not able to, when I telnet I am not getting 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN |
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| 06:48.44 | ongeboren | so.. if i have to browse several pictures i have to switch to windows and wen i'm ready go back to linux, right ? |
| 06:48.55 | mrwill | Shadur: I hope so. If there is one thing I enjoy, it's greeting channel visitors, over and over again. |
| 06:49.01 | Shadur | ongeboren: ... What are you talking about? |
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| 06:49.02 | takatumi | ongeboren: poor you. |
| 06:49.09 | ongeboren | linux seems incapable of displaying a single picture in the file browser |
| 06:49.21 | dac | ongeboren: use gthumb or gqview to view your pictures. |
| 06:49.29 | jm_ | yes, linux sucks, just switch to windows and you'll make many people happier |
| 06:49.31 | Shadur | Which "the" file browser are you talking about? And why aren't you using $imageviewer? |
| 06:49.45 | mrwill | nullvoid: what mail transport agent is this? |
| 06:49.47 | debian | ongeboren: the problem is that you use nautilus, not debian |
| 06:49.59 | ongeboren | i don't want to have an external program to view pictures |
| 06:50.12 | nullvoid | mrwill: postfix is my mta - I followed exactly as http://www.fatofthelan.com/articles/articles.php?pid=22 |
| 06:50.15 | ongeboren | I want to be able to see them embedded in the file browser// |
| 06:50.17 | debian | ongeboren: if you're using Gnome, there's a very nice image viewer called gqview if that's what you ask |
| 06:50.18 | Shadur | ongeboren: File browser browses files. Image viewer views images. These are not difficult concepts. |
| 06:50.23 | mrwill | ongeboren: but you do want to view them. what a conundrum this is. |
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| 06:50.25 | ongeboren | is it so much i'm asking for ? |
| 06:50.42 | debian | ongeboren: nope...we all try to help you out |
| 06:50.45 | mrwill | nullvoid: ok, I use postfix too, so you are in luck. |
| 06:50.59 | debian | ongeboren: if that makes you feel like being gangbanded... :) |
| 06:51.03 | dac | ongeboren: such things are hard to implement (overkill, useless). but you can too watch pictures within nautilus. |
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| 06:51.08 | Shadur | ongeboren: No, but you're asking in the wrong channel. Try #gnome |
| 06:51.32 | streuner | ongeboren: i told you before its possible to setup nautilus in order to see pictures as well, what's that hard to look in preferences? |
| 06:51.33 | ongeboren | dac: i was able to watch pictures in nautilus before.. it stopped wfter some upgrade.. |
| 06:51.39 | debian | ongeboren: and images aren't read in a browser in windows. sorry |
| 06:52.05 | mrwill | nullvoid: so you can't authenticate to send mail? the server always rejects your credentials? |
| 06:52.08 | streuner | ongeboren: just look in BTS and if that doesn't help downgrade to the last version. |
| 06:52.13 | ongeboren | streuner: i didn't find it in the preferences.. as fas as i'm searching for it already days.. it would be nice of you know the place to indicate it for me |
| 06:52.16 | Shadur | debian: Actually, they are. If you call internet exploder. |
| 06:52.22 | ongeboren | streuner: no records in the bts |
| 06:52.26 | streuner | onbeboren: sarge? |
| 06:52.29 | ongeboren | nothing to find via google |
| 06:52.32 | ongeboren | streuner: yes |
| 06:52.34 | nullvoid | mrwill: when I telnet I am not getting 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN |
| 06:52.34 | Shadur | s/\./ a browser./ |
| 06:52.45 | ongeboren | and yes, i did rtfm |
| 06:52.52 | dac | ongeboren: maybe you are searching for: nautilus --browser |
| 06:53.00 | mrwill | nullvoid: hmm, does telnet connect to the port? is postfix running? |
| 06:53.01 | streuner | ongeboren: downgrade to the last version, if that works file a bugreport |
| 06:53.06 | nullvoid | mrwill: in the sample it says that I should be getting AUTH LOGIN string during the telnet |
| 06:53.24 | nullvoid | mrwill: postfix running well, my mailserver is ok |
| 06:53.31 | Shadur | ongeboren: which debian version are you tracking? Sarge or sid? |
| 06:53.39 | ongeboren | Shadur: unstable |
| 06:53.58 | mwilson | debian: Sure they are. |
| 06:54.00 | mrwill | nullvoid: ah, so you only get AUTH PLAIN, with no AUTH LOGIN? |
| 06:54.02 | streuner | ongeboren: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 06:54.07 | Shadur | ongeboren: Most recent version of sid as of this morning has no trouble at all browsing images in nautilus. |
| 06:54.07 | streuner | only the version |
| 06:54.23 | streuner | Shadur: he said sarge before... |
| 06:54.32 | ongeboren | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-19 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 06:54.37 | debian | Shadur: you realize that IE and explorer are different? :) |
| 06:54.38 | streuner | ok, sid |
| 06:54.44 | debian | Shadur: no matter what they say |
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| 06:55.12 | Shadur | If you absolutely can't get it to work for some inexplicable reason, try moving ~/.gnome* and ~/.gconf* elsewhere to start with a clean set of defaults. |
| 06:55.26 | ongeboren | am i the only one that cannot use the internal image viewer of nautilus ? or is it a behaviour by design ? |
| 06:55.30 | Shadur | debian: I know. Just pointing out that the only reason winduhs manages it is by cheating. |
| 06:55.37 | nullvoid | mrwill: http://rafb.net/paste/results/C2fvCN80.html |
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| 06:56.08 | Shadur | ongeboren: .... Are you retarded, trolling, or just unable to understand that I just finished telling you that it works just fine for me and evidently most others? |
| 06:56.13 | mrwill | nullvoid: oh! I see! there is no AUTH! that is not right, no no no. |
| 06:56.24 | ongeboren | Shadur: i did.. i have 2 computers.. the second one is just installed with debian unstable and they bopth behave the same way |
| 06:56.42 | mrwill | nullvoid: have you got postfix-tls installed? |
| 06:56.43 | Shadur | ongeboren: Then you apparently made the same mistake on both comps somehow. |
| 06:56.48 | nullvoid | mrwill: by right there should be 250-AUTH=LOGIN ..... |
| 06:56.49 | debian | Shadur: very true |
| 06:56.55 | nullvoid | mrwill: yes |
| 06:56.58 | mrwill | nullvoid: sorry, just working through the obvious |
| 06:57.20 | ongeboren | Shadur: so.. on your computer you can open a nautilus file browser, click on an image and see it inside ? |
| 06:57.24 | Shadur | ongeboren: Or maybe you installed them in the same time frame while stuff was being worked on and some obscure setting carried over. Hence my suggestion of just moving those directories away. |
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| 06:57.41 | Shadur | ongeboren: Didn't I just finish saying that? |
| 06:57.41 | mrwill | nullvoid: let me have a look at my postfix config files. |
| 06:57.42 | dac | Shadur: he wants to view the pictures itself, not as thumbnails within nautlus. but i guess they eventually dropped that with gnome 2.8. |
| 06:57.43 | nvz | debian: my cousin went out again and his kid wakes up middle of the night everytime he leaves |
| 06:57.49 | ongeboren | ok, i'll try to move them.. |
| 06:57.55 | nullvoid | sec |
| 06:57.57 | ongeboren | hope this helps |
| 06:58.11 | Shadur | ongeboren: You need to drop out of gnome first and make sure gconfd isn't running, just in case. |
| 06:58.36 | mrwill | nullvoid: do you have 'smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes' in main.cf? |
| 06:58.59 | ongeboren | ok |
| 06:59.04 | debian | nvz: kill |
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| 06:59.05 | ongeboren | thank you very much |
| 06:59.07 | Shadur | dac: Well, doubleclicking on an image in nautilus launches EOG for me, which is in my admittedly less than humble opinion close enough to count. |
| 06:59.32 | ponds | question: I just did the following = Debian-installer RC2 sarge base install -> install x-window-system -> install mozilla-firefox. Haven't done any extra configuring yet. When I try to run firefox I get "Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client" I tried restarting xdm, rebooting, etc. Everything from google says I should xhost+, but I'd rather fix it in a more secure way. Anyone seen this problem before? |
| 06:59.35 | nvz | of course this time she was just kinda walking around like a zombie and seems to have gone back in and passed out without any whining |
| 06:59.55 | dac | Shadur: sure. maybe he just upgraded to gnome 2.8. |
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| 07:00.06 | ongeboren | Shadur: you just said it opens the picture internally.. said me i'm a troll, and now you say it launches eog :) cool |
| 07:00.07 | streuner | Shadur: that's what ongeboren don't want :-) |
| 07:00.15 | debian | nvz: give her a push over the windows |
| 07:00.39 | dac | ongeboren: did you used gnome 2.4 oder 2.6 before? |
| 07:00.43 | Shadur | ongeboren: You *are* either a troll or an imbecile. Didn't you notice us explaining that the winduhs file browser doesn't actually do it any differently? |
| 07:01.01 | mrwill | nullvoid: huh, I guess you would have that if you followed this howto. |
| 07:01.09 | ongeboren | dac: not on this system.. it's newly installed from 2-3 weeks |
| 07:01.34 | Shadur | Wincrap exploder just launches IE by default when you click on an image, unless you've installed an image viewer that does the decent thing and overrides those mime settings for you. |
| 07:01.45 | mrwill | nullvoid: maybe try restarting postfix again, I don't know. |
| 07:01.52 | ongeboren | Shadur: it does not launches a new window for every image i want to see.. |
| 07:02.05 | ongeboren | big difference |
| 07:02.08 | takatumi | just fucking use pornview or something |
| 07:02.19 | dac | ongeboren: just to note; i guess its not possible to view images within nautilus by default anymore. and thats good. if you want that "feature", you will have to use konqueror. |
| 07:02.23 | nullvoid | mrwill: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZlgYkj11.html |
| 07:02.31 | nullvoid | mrwill: that is my postconf -m |
| 07:02.33 | nullvoid | mrwill: that is my postconf -n |
| 07:02.33 | streuner | takatumi: that's what he don't want... |
| 07:02.34 | Shadur | dac: He can use firefox if he wants. |
| 07:02.41 | ongeboren | dac: so the behaviour is finally be design ? |
| 07:02.43 | mrwill | nullvoid: ok, reading it. |
| 07:02.54 | dac | ongeboren: yes, its good design decission. |
| 07:02.57 | ongeboren | s/be/by/ |
| 07:03.20 | ongeboren | probably good but quite undocumented and unexpected.. |
| 07:03.38 | Shadur | Not undocumented. Not unexpected. Not even unreasonable. |
| 07:03.49 | dac | ongeboren: because you just cant develop a file browser capable of managing *all* stuff; like images, audio, video and so on. thats overkill. |
| 07:03.50 | ongeboren | and if you read the help.. you see it's possible to open images in nautilus _internally_ |
| 07:04.10 | Shadur | File browser browses files. Image viewer views images. This is not rocket science. This is good coding practice. |
| 07:04.22 | ongeboren | ok |
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| 07:04.50 | dac | ongeboren: use konqueror if this design does not suit you. |
| 07:04.51 | ongeboren | so now it's by design "not able to open images internally" |
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| 07:05.14 | Shadur | ongeboren: Also, *like we've said a dozen times before so far*, winduhs exploder has exactly the same behavior, except it cheats by launching IE to pretend it can. |
| 07:05.15 | ongeboren | dac: i'll find out something.. |
| 07:05.16 | mrwill | nullvoid: your setup is a little different than mine, I don't use tls. maybe if you tried turning tls off, the smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes line... I bet it would show up then, after all, the test in the howto is before you turn on tls. |
| 07:05.21 | ongeboren | thanks for the ideas |
| 07:05.21 | streuner | ongeboren: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/marketing/en/2004/two-eight-screenshots/html/index.html |
| 07:05.32 | rjkrt | Anyone know why ntpdate gives this message when booting my machine "clockError : Temporary failure in name resolution"? i get my internet connection via dhcp but i have my internet up before this script runs |
| 07:05.35 | nullvoid | yes |
| 07:05.43 | nullvoid | mrwill: you are right |
| 07:05.54 | Shadur | ongeboren: Why not configure nautilus/gnome's file handlers to launch an image viewer that can browse directories rather than EOG? |
| 07:05.55 | ongeboren | and thanks for revealing me i'm a troll to ask me questions about why something i was able to do some months ago doesn't work anymore |
| 07:06.21 | benjamindees | you guys are still talking about this? just use kde... |
| 07:06.35 | ongeboren | Shadur: that's an option.. i will reconsider an optimal solution for me today |
| 07:06.37 | streuner | ongeboren: URL shows some diiferent snapshots, there should one picture of nautilus |
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| 07:06.56 | mrwill | nullvoid: I think it wants encrypted credentials over an ssl connection if you have tls turned on, and humble telnet won't be able to do that. |
| 07:08.12 | mrwill | nullvoid: then again, howto says adding tls actually adds a line to the ehlo, so I'm not so sure I really am right. |
| 07:08.31 | streuner | ongeboren: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/marketing/en/2004/two-eight-screenshots/html/nautilus-open-with.png |
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| 07:09.38 | streuner | ongeboren: that's gnome 2.8 with nautilus, so it's possible. |
| 07:09.49 | jm_ | streuner: next he'll ask you to click the mouse for him too |
| 07:10.06 | mrwill | nullvoid: I should also point out that I discovered on my setup that broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes allowed people to login with only usernames and no passwords! |
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| 07:10.32 | ongeboren | streuner: as far as my chineese sais me.. :) it's the properties window of a picture.. |
| 07:11.12 | streuner | oh dude |
| 07:11.45 | dac | streuner: he is somehow right; from the view of user those changes are irritating. |
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| 07:12.38 | streuner | dac: we are all users, and we have to learn every day new... |
| 07:12.51 | norsad | I've got a new T42 PM 1,7 with 80 GB Samsung 5400 HD, which is imo a bit noisy. There is a shhh which comes out of the drive all the time and I think about changing it to the Hitachi 80 GB 5400 drive. |
| 07:13.04 | norsad | Comments on this or other drives? |
| 07:13.12 | dac | ongeboren: your options are; use a image viewer like gqview or gthumb or seitch to KDE with konquerer; they like to implement bug bloat. |
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| 07:13.22 | nvz | I wasnt tired when I went to sleep 3 hours ago, but I am tired now that I got woke up at 1am |
| 07:13.23 | sussudio | norsad: oh go away to storagereview or something. |
| 07:13.41 | mrwill | norsad: dunno, those fluid dynamic bearing ones are supposed to be quiet. we're not really a hardware review channel. |
| 07:13.45 | norsad | Has anybody any experience about the noise of that drives (perhaps a comparison) ? |
| 07:14.04 | mrwill | norsad: yes, if you wrap a towel around it, it is quieter by comparison. |
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| 07:14.37 | dac | streuner: sure, but linux features one of the most inconsistent designs. |
| 07:14.56 | norsad | don't let your assholes talk to me |
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| 07:15.33 | sussudio | norsad: leave or you will be made to leave. |
| 07:15.51 | resiak | dac: Well, I'd say that, in general, Gnome is self-consistent, as is KDE. What more could you ask for? Don't say a single desktop environment... :) |
| 07:16.04 | mrwill | norsad: oh come on, it's all fun and games. |
| 07:16.19 | mrwill | sussudio: ease up, he's not such an awful troll just yet. |
| 07:16.33 | nvz | I kinda have to wonder where her father has been going the past few nights ... but then again he's not like me, will probably drink without any good cause, and hang out in the company of sleazes.. so maybe he's at a strip club or something |
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| 07:16.40 | sussudio | mrwill: no. i'm never wrong. just see how this plays out. |
| 07:16.59 | mrwill | sussudio: well, I admit, 99% of the time, this gets worse. |
| 07:17.25 | dac | resiak: dont saying that. but even gnome or KDE have big inconsistencies. at least thats my opinion, but gnome is making progress. |
| 07:17.36 | sussudio | i'm not going to wait this out. have fun with the tard, i'm going to watch tv. |
| 07:17.45 | norsad | hey |
| 07:17.53 | norsad | i want a beautiful sounding drives |
| 07:18.14 | sep | norsad: i have my drives in another room at the attic, never hear them |
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| 07:18.58 | mrwill | dac: many people object just to their being more than one major desktop environment, saying it is a waste of effort and inconsistent and such. nevertheless, that is the way it is. and they are both still under development, and as such are undergoing changes. |
| 07:18.58 | |m| | is there a 1cd install like 650mb. not the 50mb netinstall |
| 07:19.12 | mrwill | lml: you can install from just the first cd if you want. |
| 07:19.13 | streuner | !d-i |
| 07:19.14 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
| 07:19.15 | jm_ | get 1541 for C64 and then use the tool that made it play some music |
| 07:19.20 | mrwill | lml: get the rest from the net. |
| 07:19.29 | mrwill | lml: if you need it, that is. |
| 07:20.09 | norsad | want SILENT drive when just idly soinning |
| 07:20.14 | dac | mrwill: you got me wrong. im not against multiple desktop choices. i say even if you take on alone for itself, it features a lot of inconistent designs. |
| 07:20.15 | norsad | don't mind noise drive makes when seeking |
| 07:20.24 | sep | jm_ dont recomend that. i wasted a perfectly good floppy drive on that :P |
| 07:20.30 | Underlord | my distro came with an apt sources.list for a country im not in, is there somewhere that i can get a sources.list for australia or do i have to create it myself? |
| 07:20.33 | jm_ | sep: hehe, mine survived a few runs |
| 07:20.53 | sep | mine dies after ..not many but more then afew :P |
| 07:21.11 | nvz | norsad: "we all want something beautiful, man I wish I was beautiful, So come dance this silence down through the morning, Cut Maria! Show me some of them Spanish dances, Pass me a bottle, Mr. Jones, believe in me, Help me to believe in anything, I want to be someone who believes" -- 'Mr. Jones' Counting Crows, a song about dreams.. |
| 07:21.41 | sep | nvz: when my drive sounds like that it's time to take that backup... |
| 07:22.02 | norsad | i hate drive that whine when doing nothing |
| 07:22.09 | streuner | Underlord: apt-setup |
| 07:22.47 | sep | norsad: any kvm solution, or any remote desktop solution, or just look at the db rating n any webshop. |
| 07:22.49 | mrwill | dac: well, that's probably a fair criticism -- user interface design is not a strong point of linux graphical software. |
| 07:23.00 | sep | this is a discussion for when there is nothing else to talk about |
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| 07:23.43 | nvz | we all dream of something beautiful, then we realize when everyone loves you, sometimes thats just about as fucked up as you can be.. so cant you see me, cause I was screaming, and I did not go outside yesterday, oh no dont wake me, cause I was dreamin, and I might just stay inside again today. Mr. Jones and me, we dont see each other much anymore |
| 07:24.08 | mrwill | dac: I'm actually still a bit suspicious of the whole 'desktop' metaphor as an abstraction for computer, myself. |
| 07:24.09 | resiak | nvz: What happened to your o/~ s? :) |
| 07:24.14 | nvz | call up Mr. Jones and tell him you want a harddrive |
| 07:24.23 | nvz | resiak: my what =P |
| 07:24.27 | dac | mrwill: :) exactly. but things my change. and gnome or kde do not soely apply to only linux whatsoever. |
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| 07:24.44 | dac | s/my/may |
| 07:25.05 | nvz | you mean my quotations? |
| 07:25.09 | resiak | nvz: Well, not _your_ ascii renderings of a quaver which (I gather) are traditionally put around lyrics on IRC, I guess... |
| 07:25.12 | norsad | counting crow is not my band |
| 07:25.30 | norsad | know what i cant stand that american mtv channel |
| 07:25.33 | norsad | anyone watch it??? |
| 07:25.48 | nvz | well you cant really quote counting crows lyrics, unless you quote a particular show.. they are a live band, and never play the same thing twice |
| 07:25.51 | norsad | i would genocide those people if we stop and tag them |
| 07:25.51 | mrwill | dac: I'm not too optimistic about things changing in that arena. |
| 07:25.58 | dac | mrwill: for sure its not easy to provide oversimplfied interfaces for an complex device like an computer. |
| 07:26.25 | nvz | that 1st part was how August and Everything After version went in the first verse, the 2nd part was adlibbing like Adam does |
| 07:26.44 | mrwill | dac: and that is the real problem, the best we have is this overextended 'desktop' metaphor that frequently fails as an abstraction for the complexity underneath. |
| 07:27.22 | mrwill | dac: yet when you show a better abstraction (one that is more abstract) to most people, it's as if the rug has been completely pulled out from under them... they are completely bewildered. |
| 07:27.24 | nvz | norsad: mtv always sucked, but even more so today.. they really have more to do with 12year olds than music |
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| 07:27.50 | nvz | if a 12y/o girls screams her head off into a camera, they will play 1minute of a music video |
| 07:28.12 | nvz | then flip to some looser like carson daily or someone BS'ng |
| 07:28.15 | mrwill | dac: that is why I think people should be taught about certain concepts on a computer, before they deal with their representations, but that is just me. |
| 07:28.55 | nvz | Counting Crows arent a TRL band :P they are a live band, and always have been, its the only way to hear them.. litrally |
| 07:28.58 | dac | mrwill: that wont be wrong, sure. but most people are not willing to learn that stuff. |
| 07:29.29 | nvz | even when they record albums since they were signed, they rent a big house, and invite all their friends, and record live |
| 07:30.16 | dac | mrwill: i assume the simplest approch, as long as it somehow works, will always win. |
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| 07:30.50 | dac | mrwill: here we could start to talk about hirarchic file systems... ;) |
| 07:31.04 | dac | s/hir/hier |
| 07:31.20 | mrwill | dac: right, simple approach. |
| 07:31.25 | nvz | they usually like to go on big world tours after releasing an album.. though they usually dont push their new material on you like some bands.. I saw them last year and they only did two songs off their new album all night |
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| 07:32.35 | dac | mrwill: and unix is everything but a simple approach ;) |
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| 07:33.04 | jm_ | actually unix has this concept of using a bunch of simple tools together to make the job done |
| 07:33.11 | jm_ | or get it done |
| 07:33.48 | mrwill | jm_: right, the learning curve is pretty steep for all the commandline tools, but once you know enough and see how they fit together, it is very powerful. |
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| 07:34.21 | jm_ | mrwill: ohh that, sure, it's not suitable for average joe, then again, neither is Windows |
| 07:34.31 | mrwill | jm_: problem is, for most people, they really aren't all that simple, even the really simple ones. |
| 07:35.07 | dac | unix may be right for people who have to deal more in detail with the systems, but for the end-user its not sutable at this stage, no way. |
| 07:35.22 | mrwill | dac: what about the mac? what do you think of the mac? |
| 07:35.49 | dac | the gui is well made |
| 07:36.15 | dac | they tried to hide as many of unix as possible |
| 07:37.02 | mrwill | dac: it is really two systems on top of the same kernel imo. |
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| 07:37.22 | dac | mrwill: what two systems? |
| 07:37.31 | nvz | read the apple websie |
| 07:37.34 | streuner | dac: hanging around in munich? |
| 07:37.42 | mrwill | dac: the graphical and the bsd... |
| 07:38.02 | dac | streuner: no, why - you? :) |
| 07:38.30 | streuner | dac: you are german, right? how much upload/download you have with cable? |
| 07:38.31 | calmar | dac: unix is not difficult at all, once setuped finely. can be made easier than windows, IMO |
| 07:38.49 | streuner | dac: nope |
| 07:38.52 | dac | mrwill: thats a point. |
| 07:39.01 | nothos | whats an easy way to find out what umounted disks exist on a system |
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| 07:39.13 | mrwill | calmar: that I agree with, but on the other hand, if somebody else is setting up your system for you, it will probably be set up pretty well. |
| 07:39.39 | mrwill | nothos: well, if they are in /etc/fstab, you can see them there. |
| 07:39.49 | dac | streuner: differs at what you pay. i have 256/2500k. |
| 07:39.52 | mrwill | nothos: otherwise, you'll have to look at the hardware more directly. |
| 07:40.02 | nothos | they're not in fstab |
| 07:40.06 | calmar | mrwill: yep. |
| 07:40.21 | streuner | dac: how much is that? |
| 07:40.24 | nothos | just added 3 new drives via a pci controller, i see the controller is lspci |
| 07:40.33 | streuner | dac: as flaterate |
| 07:40.37 | mrwill | nothos: think they are registered at startup in /var/log/messages/, grep that for ide. |
| 07:40.50 | mrwill | nothos: I know there is a better way, just can't remember right now. |
| 07:41.15 | jm_ | /proc/scsi/scsi /proc/ide/foo, then there's lsusb and probably something similar for firewire |
| 07:41.15 | dac | nothos: yes, if you have someone around who can administrate it, its sureley a valuable solution. but... |
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| 07:41.30 | nvz | well no point in wasting all this Counting Crows talk on a bunch of non-fans.. I'll just put in this live album, and listen to these songs where Adam says 'Charly got pissed off next and said if Dave got to play dobro, he wanted to play harmonica, so just to get them all to shut the hell up, I had to play piano. Thats why it sounds like shit." |
| 07:42.01 | dac | streuner: its not flatrate any more, it has only 30G traffic within - and about 40 euros per month. you can have flatrate with 256/768 afaik. |
| 07:42.19 | mrwill | jm_: oh yeah, just look in /proc, man I feel silly. |
| 07:42.36 | mrwill | nvz: nah, it wasn't wasted, you are stimulating interest. |
| 07:42.39 | streuner | dac: you can have anything, its just a matter what you want to pay... ;-) |
| 07:42.51 | dac | streuner: right ;-) |
| 07:43.12 | dac | streuner: but i cant press money for myself - so... :) |
| 07:43.12 | mrwill | streuner: still, he implies faster is available at a consumer price, which is not true a lot of places. |
| 07:43.45 | streuner | dac: hehe |
| 07:44.25 | nvz | I dont know about the rest of you, but I have been alot more open in general, but the live bands that do what the Counting Crows do are my favorites, and being only 21, this is the single largest live band of my time, sure DMB and a few others came out. but lets face it, DM is a whiner.. and counting crows have a big talented band too, and I am sure they travel with more equipment than DMB |
| 07:44.53 | nvz | they can make the same song sound different every time they play it, and travel with a small orcastra of equipment. Ben usually has a two whole cases of mandlins and other little instruments, and Charlie travels with an accordian, piano, and organ, and Dan has a number of electric, acousitc, and steel guitars.. as for Ben and Dave I am not really sure.. seems like they are the ones who pretty much play drums and bass all the time. |
| 07:44.54 | peterS | nvz: the adam duritz fan says that dave matthews is a whiner. now that's funny |
| 07:45.02 | nvz | heh |
| 07:45.17 | nvz | yeah I like DMB but he's always singing about sappy songs about women |
| 07:45.25 | dac | streuner: where are you from? |
| 07:45.36 | peterS | nvz: no doubt, they're both whiners (: |
| 07:45.41 | streuner | dac: near saarbrücken |
| 07:45.57 | dac | streuner: featuring t-dsl flatrate? ;) |
| 07:46.15 | streuner | dac: flat t-online |
| 07:46.20 | nvz | everytime I think I found a DMB song I can listen to thats not about a chic, he starts talking about a chic |
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| 07:46.44 | nvz | like "Recently" that was going to be a good song, untill half way through its suddenly a whining about chic song again |
| 07:46.59 | dac | streuner: :) i have had ISDN always before. i never came to a place actually providing an dsl connection. |
| 07:47.34 | streuner | dac: uhm, satellite ;-) |
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| 07:47.40 | hooded | Do you think anyone could help me mount my Lexar JumpDrive usb stick? |
| 07:47.42 | calmar | dac: 'many' people also need an M$ Win helper frequently. I'm not sure if a linux or windows box needs more care, once it's setup(ed). |
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| 07:47.57 | peterS | nvz: I don't know all that much DMB. is he really that one-tracked? |
| 07:48.16 | peterS | hooded: shouldn't be hard: |
| 07:48.19 | dac | calmar: windows isnt perfect either... ;) |
| 07:48.26 | hooded | ya, well, I'm a noob to the max :) |
| 07:48.34 | peterS | hooded: (1) load two modules, sd_mod and usb-storage |
| 07:48.34 | nvz | peterS: well seems so, he wrote a new song called Gravedigger that was touching.. something about digging his grave shallow so he could feel the rain |
| 07:48.52 | nvz | peterS: doesnt seem to be about a chic, but I didnt listen to it much |
| 07:49.07 | peterS | hooded: (2) mkdir /mnt/usbdrive or /u (as I use) or similar, and add a line "/dev/sda1 /u vfat user,noauto 0 0" to /etc/fstab |
| 07:49.09 | dac | calmar: a good interface for average joe hast yet to be born first. |
| 07:49.30 | peterS | hooded: (3) "mount /u" or "mount /mnt/usbdrive" or whatever you called it |
| 07:49.50 | nvz | I mean I try look beyond the lyrics in anything I listen to, but it gets annoying to me to here songs whining about some girl you dont know or care about |
| 07:50.47 | peterS | nvz: yeah, I know what you mean. unless you're feeling about the same way at the time. in which case I just project the song lyrics over to my own situation and call it good. |
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| 07:51.33 | nvz | yeah you gotta change the words and stuff if you are singing along with a female most of the time.. heh |
| 07:51.42 | myren | whats the command to resume a suspended job? |
| 07:51.46 | nvz | unless you are gay, then maybe you can get away with it |
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| 07:52.03 | mrwill | myren: fg |
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| 07:52.10 | peterS | nvz: hehe |
| 07:52.11 | nvz | its pretty easy to change he to she though |
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| 07:53.08 | AldeBaran | hi |
| 07:53.12 | nvz | I've listened to "Too Far From Texas", by Stevie Nicks alot since I been here.. |
| 07:53.20 | mrwill | AldeBaran: hello there. |
| 07:53.34 | AldeBaran | does anyone have any idea when sarge is gonna be stable? |
| 07:53.34 | nvz | her new albums suck, I think Sheryl Crow and Sarah McLaughlin are currupting her |
| 07:53.54 | jm_ | I think we now regret nvz's cousin went out even more than he does ;) |
| 07:53.56 | peterS | nvz: sarah mclaughlin >> sheryl crow. I haven't heard any recent stevie nicks |
| 07:54.11 | mrwill | AldeBaran: nobody has any idea, sorry. |
| 07:54.20 | cyberyo | io |
| 07:54.29 | AldeBaran | *sigh* will mirror woody then |
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| 07:54.40 | nvz | I lost an entire Stevie Nicks boxset somewhere along the lines, all I got left is her new album |
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| 07:55.11 | mrwill | AldeBaran: don't be sad, your help and interest are appreciated. |
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| 07:55.23 | AldeBaran | nvz: don't you hate not having backups ;) |
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| 07:56.07 | nvz | AldeBaran: I usually just d/l all my music anyhow, I only ever buy the cds to support the artists and be able to tell the RIAA to fuck off |
| 07:56.09 | norsad | I've got a new T42 PM 1,7 with 80 GB Samsung 5400 HD, which is imo a bit noisy. There is a shhh which comes out of the drive all the time and I think about changing it to the Hitachi 80 GB 5400 drive |
| 07:56.10 | AldeBaran | is there a one file torrent sarge? |
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| 07:56.26 | norsad | Has anybody any experience about the noise of that drives (perhaps a comparison) ? |
| 07:56.44 | cafuego | AldeBaran: Where are you planning on installing it? |
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| 07:57.04 | drake | heyaz |
| 07:57.09 | AldeBaran | caf: I want a local mirror |
| 07:57.13 | mrwill | norsad: yes, if you wrap a towel around it, it is quieter by comparison. |
| 07:57.28 | cafuego | AldeBaran: Any reason? |
| 07:57.32 | nvz | Hell it doesnt bother me he took off, just trying to make sure this kid isnt up wandering around.. we got 3 big dogs and other stuff she cant be getting near |
| 07:57.34 | cafuego | AldeBaran: It's ~ 10GB |
| 07:57.37 | drake | this new debian installation on this laptop isnt going well :\ |
| 07:57.42 | peterS | AldeBaran: good choice. keeping everything on one hard drive is much more convenient than carting around hundreds of CDs |
| 07:57.52 | drake | can someone help me with one thing please |
| 07:58.01 | mrwill | drake: sure, just tell us what. |
| 07:58.02 | cafuego | AldeBaran: And you will most likely ever use under 10% of that |
| 07:58.09 | drake | thanks mrwill |
| 07:58.55 | nvz | hmmz.. I thought cafuego|vpn was cafuego there for a minute |
| 07:59.00 | drake | well the debian install went fine but when i go to startkde it says it cant find the xserver and $DISPLAY is not set |
| 07:59.12 | jm_ | heh |
| 07:59.15 | cafuego | nvz: He was. |
| 07:59.29 | mrwill | drake: hmm, but the xserver is already running? |
| 07:59.32 | AldeBaran | caf: I have a 1Meg line pretty much all to myself but only for this week :) |
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| 07:59.39 | nvz | cafuego: really? oh yeah, it is .au I seen a bunch of .nz |
| 07:59.52 | cafuego | AldeBaran: So download what you need, don't waste the mirror's bandwidth. |
| 07:59.56 | drake | ummm im not sure |
| 08:00.04 | AldeBaran | caf: thats why I want torrent |
| 08:00.11 | nvz | this is why I d/l crap :P |
| 08:00.13 | cafuego | AldeBaran: After next week the packages will be out of date anyway. |
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| 08:00.31 | cafuego | nvz: Moi? From nz? No.... |
| 08:00.33 | drake | im not sure how to check |
| 08:00.40 | mrwill | drake: sounds like your xserver probably didn't start, unless you have a graphical login screen come up, that's probably what it is. |
| 08:00.55 | drake | yeah sounds plausible ;) |
| 08:01.00 | Avantopia | anyone here using Xcdroast with Sarge? |
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| 08:01.04 | Avantopia | any tips? |
| 08:01.10 | nvz | until I own my own mansion with a wallrack for cds, I am not buying new copies of all my music.. I bought them all at one point.. as long as there are idiots sharing them online.. thats how I am getting them :P |
| 08:01.13 | drake | any ideas how i start it ? |
| 08:01.14 | peterS | nvz: a new cdrom drive is like $20 (: |
| 08:01.18 | mrwill | drake: ok, what kind of graphics card have you got. |
| 08:01.22 | nvz | its not the cdrom its my cd |
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| 08:01.29 | mrwill | drake: you'll have to set it up so it can start. |
| 08:01.40 | drake | ummm some 8 mb ati one |
| 08:01.41 | AldeBaran | will there be a smooth transition to sarge or will it be "tommorrow sarge is stable" |
| 08:01.44 | peterS | nvz: ahh. well, I support your moral right to replace music illegally that you bought legally |
| 08:01.50 | drake | im using debian on this laptop |
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| 08:01.55 | nvz | I've got at least twice as many cdroms as I have pcs, and I have more than twice as many pcs as I need |
| 08:02.01 | peterS | nvz: hehe |
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| 08:02.16 | mrwill | drake: hey, good that you know that! why don't you try 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 08:02.23 | nvz | I got 3 CDRW's, Two DVD roms, and about 4 cdroms |
| 08:02.25 | Stubbe | how can i clear my MBR using fdisk or cfdisk in lin ? |
| 08:02.34 | cafuego | Stubbe: use 'dd' |
| 08:02.40 | cafuego | Stubbe: ... CAREFULLY |
| 08:02.42 | drake | hehe ok thanks |
| 08:02.45 | mrwill | drake: you'll be presented with a series of menus to configure the server, and you should pick an ati driver. |
| 08:02.54 | Avantopia | nvz, how are you writing DVDs with Debian? |
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| 08:03.04 | myren | what should i use to play a realplaye rstream? its in some stupid .smil format |
| 08:03.06 | jm_ | it's dvd rom, not dvd writer |
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| 08:03.16 | nvz | Avantopia: not a clue since dvdroms dont burn, and I never used a DVD of any kind |
| 08:03.19 | myren | i've tried mplayer and amarok |
| 08:03.24 | Avantopia | nvz, k |
| 08:03.25 | directhex | myren, realplayer? |
| 08:03.39 | jm_ | Avantopia: use k3b if you want a GUI, but otherwise growisofs WFM |
| 08:03.58 | Avantopia | jm_, k |
| 08:03.59 | Avantopia | thx |
| 08:04.03 | nvz | hell some of the music I got on my pc I owned in Cassettes long ago.. |
| 08:04.08 | myren | apt-cache search realplayer is giving me a big fat nothing |
| 08:04.21 | cafuego | myren: Well, it *is* non-free. |
| 08:04.23 | drake | ok thanks mrwill i'll shutdown bitchx and try now :) |
| 08:04.30 | mrwill | drake: hey no need |
| 08:04.31 | directhex | myren, it's sorta totally non-free |
| 08:04.36 | myren | i fucking haate realplayer like !@#$@$%!@4~#$ |
| 08:04.42 | mrwill | sheesh, somebody doesn't know about virtual consoles. |
| 08:04.44 | Avantopia | jm_, what is the package name for growisofs? |
| 08:04.46 | cafuego | myren: mplayer can probably handle it, though. |
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| 08:05.08 | directhex | myren, you could download from real.com and shove in /usr/local or /opt |
| 08:05.10 | myren | mplayer's being a shithead too. i've tried passing it hte file and the address. |
| 08:05.33 | cafuego | myren: You probably need w32codecs installed |
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| 08:05.47 | myren | i have w32codecs |
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| 08:06.03 | nvz | I'd like to have all the cds to everything but no matter how hard I try I cant ever keep em I prolly got less than 20cds left after my last two moves across the country |
| 08:06.28 | myren | i've tried both mplayer [url] and mplayer [file] |
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| 08:06.40 | jm_ | Avantopia: /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:07.55 | nvz | not including the 3 new cds I picked up I got what.. 4 Counting Crows cds, Fleetwood Mac The Dance, Pearl Jam Ten, Lynyrd Skynyrd Essentials, Stevie Nicks Trouble In Shangri La, Sublime Sublime, Janis Joplin 18 Essential Songs, and maybe a few others but thats about it |
| 08:07.55 | myren | mplayer loads all these xmms plugins on startup... its odd |
| 08:08.24 | Stubbe | I dont have linux installed now..but i have installation cd of mepis and debian netinstall.. do I have to install it before I can clear my MBR ? |
| 08:08.31 | nvz | I've lost at least 20cds somewhere in morgantown |
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| 08:08.56 | nvz | of course I knew alot of moochin ass people there when it came to music :P |
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| 08:09.14 | norsad | a fluid dynamic bearing drive should not make a shhhh when it is idly spinning, should it? |
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| 08:10.05 | nvz | I broke about 20 or 30 cds at my parents house before I left.. had em on a spindle and dropped it |
| 08:10.18 | peterS | nvz: doh |
| 08:10.28 | mrwill | norsad: probably not, but if it did, you could wrap it in a towel or something, quiet it down. |
| 08:10.28 | nvz | thats why you go out and buy new jewel cases.. those spindles will break every disc if you drop it |
| 08:10.31 | drake | urgh it comes up with xserver-xfree86 is not fully installed |
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| 08:11.50 | jm_ | drake: so what do you do when something's not installed ? |
| 08:12.00 | drake | install it i guess |
| 08:12.04 | nvz | you can see with what my music collection widdled down to, and imagining what all I have had to have bought to have made it to that diverse bunch.. and you can see why I d/l the stuff and keep a digital copy just to listen to day-to-day |
| 08:12.07 | Stubbe | I want to clear my MBR , can someone help ?` |
| 08:12.18 | drake | i tried to apt-get install xserver but it didnt work |
| 08:12.19 | AldeBaran | apt-get install -f |
| 08:12.20 | jm_ | drake: right, apt-cache search xwindow system |
| 08:12.31 | drake | ahh ok thanks |
| 08:12.31 | debian | Stubbe: what do you mean by 'clear' |
| 08:12.34 | jm_ | actually x-window |
| 08:12.41 | drake | ok thanks |
| 08:12.44 | drake | ill try that |
| 08:12.45 | peterS | Stubbe: dd bs=512 count=1 < /dev/zero > /dev/hda |
| 08:12.52 | peterS | Stubbe: where "hda" is the drive you want to clear it from |
| 08:12.52 | drake | just got the syntax wrong :\ |
| 08:12.55 | Stubbe | debian: I want to remove grub from my MBR |
| 08:13.06 | peterS | Stubbe: HOWEVER ... WARNING - that clears your partition table as well as your boot code |
| 08:13.14 | dondelelcaro | AldeBaran: depends on what it is... if it's been remixed or remastered on CD, it's probably not legal. |
| 08:13.15 | debian | Stubbe: just you just want to remove it follows peterS said |
| 08:13.25 | peterS | Stubbe: if you just want to overwrite grub with, say, lilo - then just run lilo |
| 08:13.33 | debian | Stubbe: but it's probably not what you're asking for. |
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| 08:14.11 | Stubbe | okey..thnx |
| 08:14.12 | directhex | AldeBaran, also depends on which country you live in |
| 08:14.35 | Underlord | would it be possible to get an ultra ultra small (just enough to boot) linux setup in an ext3 partition on a portable jukebox (as in mp3/ogg player, connects using usb mass storage protocol) and have that loopmount another ext3 filesystem out of a fat32 partition (which happens to be what the player supports) in to the root filesystem and have a functional linux setup that would have access to however much space is on the thin |
| 08:14.56 | nvz | I'll say one thing else about music before I just quit being a bugger.. has anyone else but me went out and bought a shitty sound track before? |
| 08:15.15 | AldeBaran | direct: suppose...but most countries look to the States for guidance |
| 08:15.16 | jm_ | Underlord: you shouldn't need ext3 at all |
| 08:15.21 | mrwill | Underlord: I think almost anything is possible, if you are willing to do enough work. |
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| 08:15.31 | Stubbe | peterS:should I type exactly this ? dd bs=512 count=1 < /dev/zero > /dev/hda (with < /dev/zero > ) |
| 08:15.43 | nvz | I've probably still got a few OST's lying around for a song that never appeared on album |
| 08:15.43 | peterS | Stubbe: yes. the < means from, the > means to |
| 08:15.45 | mrwill | Underlord: are you talking about running linux on the player, or just using the player as a portable disk? |
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| 08:15.46 | jm_ | Underlord: for booting I mean, you'll need it for running, or use umsdos if it still works |
| 08:16.00 | peterS | Stubbe: but as I said, that wipes out your partition table as well as the grub boot code |
| 08:16.04 | peterS | Stubbe: so it may not be what you want |
| 08:16.08 | cafuego | Stubbe: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 08:16.12 | Underlord | using player as a disk that i can use on diff box's, similar to a livecd but without readonly |
| 08:16.20 | peterS | cafuego: if= is harder to type than < and of= is harder to type than > (: |
| 08:16.27 | ChrysalisM | stubbe dont do that |
| 08:16.36 | jm_ | Underlord: there already are distributions made for USB sticks |
| 08:16.37 | cafuego | peterS: yes, but > and > are easier to fuck up. |
| 08:16.41 | peterS | cafuego: maybe |
| 08:16.46 | wulvig | anybody here speaks german? |
| 08:16.55 | cafuego | peterS: with nasty results (as opposed to 'dd: bad option') |
| 08:16.55 | Underlord | ooh |
| 08:17.00 | cafuego | wulvig: nein, keiner |
| 08:17.14 | AldeBaran | caf: that is bloody brave...*hat off* |
| 08:17.21 | peterS | cafuego: I suppose. I've been using unix long enough that < > have no power to confuse me (: |
| 08:17.23 | wulvig | gut dann keine, aber das ist auch Deutsch |
| 08:17.26 | norsad | this is notebook, folks |
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| 08:17.35 | myren | ah, xine is playing this realplayer streaming crap; .smil file |
| 08:17.36 | cafuego | wulvig: Ja, ik weet ut. |
| 08:17.48 | Underlord | well it is a 40 gig drive, i dont see a reason why i couldnt use any distro on it unless theres technical limitations that stop me |
| 08:17.48 | cafuego | wulvig: Mais nous parlons en anglais, ici. |
| 08:17.55 | wulvig | carfuego llamas espanol |
| 08:17.58 | mortiis | how long does it usually take for a new kernel-image to come out? |
| 08:18.03 | jm_ | ahh 40G? then you can use a real distribution |
| 08:18.15 | cafuego | wulvig: No, yo no hablo espanol. |
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| 08:18.27 | cafuego | wulvig: nao falo portuguese! |
| 08:18.31 | Stubbe | but I just want to get rid of grub in MBR ("fdisk /mbr" should do it in win, but I dont have a win cd...cant I use fdisk or cfdisk in linux?? ) |
| 08:18.34 | mrwill | Underlord: well, obviously space won't be a limitation. |
| 08:18.43 | wulvig | lo siento cafuego.From where are you writing |
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| 08:18.53 | cafuego | Stubbe: Would a win98 floppy image be a handy thing to have now? |
| 08:19.00 | cafuego | wulvig: Just my keyboard. |
| 08:19.01 | jm_ | fdisk /mbr doesn't get rid of anything, it install its own boot loader |
| 08:19.07 | mrwill | Underlord: you could probably boot off that thing the same way people boot off memory sticks, on computers that support that. |
| 08:19.15 | Stubbe | cafuego:Mmm.. |
| 08:19.17 | AldeBaran | install lilo? |
| 08:19.27 | wulvig | that is not believable.I thougt from moon |
| 08:19.31 | nvz | why don't people keep rescue media for their os's :/ |
| 08:19.39 | Stubbe | cafuego:I dont have a diskdrive in my laptop |
| 08:19.40 | ChrysalisM | stubbe: why get rid of it if you dont have windows cd or disk |
| 08:19.44 | The_Vulture | nvz: people are stupid |
| 08:19.45 | resiak | nvz: The same reason that people don't make backups... |
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| 08:19.47 | Underlord | so, ther us a difference betwenn setting up linux on an internal drive and a usb one? |
| 08:19.52 | cafuego | Stubbe: http://ftp.cc.com.au/pub/users/cafuego/stuff/win98.img.bz2 |
| 08:19.56 | cafuego | Stubbe: Ah duh. |
| 08:19.58 | Stubbe | I have a win xp cd.. |
| 08:20.03 | cafuego | Stubbe: Got a cdrw drive? |
| 08:20.09 | Stubbe | Mm |
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| 08:20.22 | cafuego | but that image to a cd as boot sector |
| 08:20.27 | cafuego | s/but/burn/ |
| 08:20.32 | nvz | resiak: I dont make backups cause I am lazy and apperently dont value my data.. at least thats what it seems from my current point of view.. I've been wrong before |
| 08:20.35 | cafuego | then boot off cd and run 'fdisk /mbr' :-) |
| 08:20.48 | directhex | cafuego, it's 'fixmbr' on nt5 |
| 08:20.57 | cafuego | directhex: There is that. |
| 08:21.08 | cafuego | Stubbe: You cna prolly use the WinXP rescue console |
| 08:21.19 | Underlord | you can |
| 08:21.21 | mrwill | Underlord: not really, no. |
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| 08:21.48 | cafuego | directhex: I wouldn't trust windows to "fix" my MBR. |
| 08:21.50 | resiak | nvz: I have learned from past experience that I value my data more than I think that I do... |
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| 08:22.25 | nvz | resiak: heh, yeah i know what you mean.. that old hind sight is 20-20, saying |
| 08:22.26 | Underlord | fixmbr would be the same thing thats used in first win install, ive used it before in my earler (dumber) days to "recover" from linux |
| 08:22.34 | directhex | cafuego, it's good at removing grub though, it does it without asking before you start the partitioner |
| 08:22.38 | Stubbe | I cant get out in dos prompt from xp install cd |
| 08:22.57 | directhex | there _IS_ no dos prompt on the xp cd |
| 08:23.17 | Stubbe | Mmm |
| 08:23.27 | cafuego | Stubbe: You cna run a limited set of commands from the Recovery Console |
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| 08:23.47 | mcosta | hello |
| 08:23.50 | nvz | xps first stage installer is mostly automagic, and look kind of like a curses install debian has |
| 08:24.05 | cafuego | resiak: "Fixing the MBR" in windows equates to "Wipe it and make the system boot ONLY windows" |
| 08:24.10 | nvz | they have a way to boot to rescue console from within that first stage install |
| 08:24.34 | nvz | after every imaginable driver known to man is loaded |
| 08:24.35 | cafuego | And you can add that console to the boot menu as well |
| 08:24.41 | resiak | cafuego: Yeah, and MBR on Windows means "thing that loads Windows", so fixmbr does what it claims to :) |
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| 08:24.49 | nvz | including a bunch of drivers you couldnt possible need at that point |
| 08:25.04 | drake | hmmm its still coming up with same error |
| 08:25.11 | drake | ive install xserver |
| 08:25.11 | cafuego | nvz: No, not every imaginable one. Notably the SATA driver for my mobo isn't loaded by WinXP <heh> |
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| 08:25.47 | cafuego | resiak: I consider that "fsckmbr" |
| 08:26.35 | resiak | cafuego: Ironically, if only there was a mbrck, called fsckmbr, that would be a good thing :) |
| 08:26.37 | sussudio | in soviet russia, mbr fscks you |
| 08:26.42 | Stubbe | but where can i type fixmbr ? |
| 08:26.51 | nvz | I'll give you 3 guesses who just showed up :P |
| 08:26.57 | Phated | Yo mama. |
| 08:27.00 | cafuego | nvz: santa? |
| 08:27.01 | jm_ | Stubbe: try #windows |
| 08:27.11 | ChrysalisM | Stubbe: why are you going to install XP... just install it |
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| 08:27.20 | drake | jm |
| 08:27.21 | cafuego | or try #fedora |
| 08:27.27 | Stubbe | it tells me to put in a floppy that i dont have when i run recovery console |
| 08:27.33 | drake | i tried what you said and installed xserver |
| 08:27.35 | nvz | cafuego: nope a certain little girl who seems to have a bad dream every night her father goes out |
| 08:27.40 | drake | but its still coming up with same error |
| 08:27.41 | cafuego | Stubbe: Or you could simply use grub to chainload NTLDR |
| 08:27.43 | jm_ | drake: what exactly did you type ? |
| 08:27.49 | drake | ummm |
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| 08:28.05 | cafuego | Stubbe: No, that it ASR, not the recovery console. |
| 08:28.05 | drake | i cant remember lol |
| 08:28.11 | steve | hey all =) |
| 08:28.14 | steve | does anybody know how to view a listening port's owner pls? |
| 08:28.17 | steve | and pid |
| 08:28.24 | cafuego | nvz: Phated? |
| 08:28.31 | mrwill | steve: lsof? |
| 08:28.33 | jm_ | drake: 1. prefix lines for me with jm, otherwise I get annoyed soon enough to stop helping people, 2. unix shells have a history you know |
| 08:28.38 | Phated | cafuego: No, I'm still here. |
| 08:28.49 | jm_ | stevoo: man netstat |
| 08:28.51 | nvz | heh |
| 08:28.51 | steve | mrwill: tried that but it doesn't show up for some reason, but 'netstat -a -n' shows it without the pid though |
| 08:28.56 | jm_ | steve: man netstat |
| 08:29.03 | drake | jm : sorry , i typed in apt-cache search x-window system |
| 08:29.13 | mrwill | steve: yeah, my other suggestion was netstat |
| 08:29.16 | Phated | Which isn't installing it, drake. |
| 08:29.20 | Stubbe | cafuego:I cant get in to recovery console |
| 08:29.22 | drake | jm : it found the file x-window-system so i installed it |
| 08:29.39 | jm_ | drake: yes, so dpkg -s xserver-xfree86 says it's installed ? |
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| 08:30.31 | drake | jm : ill just go check |
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| 08:33.23 | nvz | ok this is starting to spook me out.. I am hearing a loud sound like a strong wind across shingles and I keep watching outside for the trees to be blowing around and dont see a thing moving |
| 08:33.38 | sussudio | nvz: the bunnies have come for you. |
| 08:33.56 | Phated | nvz: Turn on some lights and watch TV. Always gets rid of the spooks. |
| 08:34.04 | resiak | Phated: Unless you watch Spooks on TV :) |
| 08:34.21 | Phated | resiak: Unless you're significantly idiotic enough to do so, yes. |
| 08:34.31 | nvz | I dont know if its a fuckin texas twister dancing on the roof or what |
| 08:34.36 | nvz | sure sounds like it |
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| 08:34.57 | sussudio | !bunnicula nvz |
| 08:34.58 | Avantopia | what codec package am I supposed to install in order to use gmplayer? |
| 08:35.01 | resiak | Phated: True enough. |
| 08:35.04 | nvz | even the frailest of foilage is barely moving.. and the wind gusts sound very strong |
| 08:35.12 | Phated | nvz: Well whatever you do don't 1) go out to see 2) say "It can't get any worse than this." |
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| 08:36.09 | drake | jm : it just comes back saying stuff like Maintainer : Source : Version : etc etc |
| 08:36.10 | nvz | In the north we never had wind gusts at 50mph straight downward, which is the only phenomnea that can cause this kind of wind and not be swaying the trees |
| 08:37.35 | jm_ | drake: yes, and most important Status: |
| 08:37.45 | mcosta | I've been searching several days for the error: |
| 08:37.47 | mcosta | configure.in:10: error: m4_defn: undefined macro: _m4_divert_diversion |
| 08:37.57 | mcosta | anyone knows something about it? |
| 08:38.04 | drake | jm : should i check what that is ? |
| 08:38.16 | jm_ | drake: yes, but why are you disconnecting each time ? |
| 08:38.17 | mcosta | this is when I run aclocal in a source tarball |
| 08:38.36 | drake | im not sure how to check whilst bitchx is open |
| 08:38.49 | Phated | Alt-F2? |
| 08:38.49 | Active2 | is there another nice graphical mail client besides evolution which works ok ? |
| 08:38.56 | Active2 | my evolution does very weird |
| 08:38.56 | jm_ | drake: alt-f2 to go to another console, run commands, alt-f1 to get back, or use alt<left/right cursor> |
| 08:39.00 | Phated | Active2: Tried Thunderbird? |
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| 08:39.16 | Active2 | Phated: ah yes didn't tried it yet :) |
| 08:39.17 | Active2 | thanks |
| 08:39.24 | Phated | Have a nice day. |
| 08:39.26 | jm_ | sylpheed-claws |
| 08:39.58 | shwag | hmm...anyone know of any reiserfs file undelete tools ? |
| 08:40.20 | drake | jm : thanks jm , i'll try now |
| 08:41.33 | nvz | yeah that butterfly yard ornimant thing is going fuckin nuts, and all the trees are still as can be, and the sounds of like 50mph winds beating straight down on the roof |
| 08:41.46 | Phated | So it's the TREES. |
| 08:41.59 | nvz | I think its a fuckin tornado :P |
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| 08:42.09 | Phated | Which would uproot the trees, |
| 08:42.25 | dli | none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=5M,mode=0755) |
| 08:42.37 | drake | it doesnt have a status part |
| 08:42.45 | dli | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.46 | drake | jm : it doesnt have a status part |
| 08:42.50 | nvz | I am from the Quaker Valley, we dont have many tornados |
| 08:42.54 | dli | is this /.dev correct? |
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| 08:43.16 | Phated | drake: Yes, it does. |
| 08:43.18 | jm_ | drake: it does, second line -- Status: install ok installed |
| 08:43.53 | drake | jm : is it above Maintainer ? |
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| 08:44.14 | jm_ | drake: I said it's second line, Maintainer is 6th line |
| 08:44.23 | nvz | its bad when this 5y/o isnt thinking anything of it, and its spookin me out |
| 08:44.55 | drake | jm : ahh ok it doesnt display it all on my screen , maintainer is first on my screen and i cant seem to page up |
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| 08:45.18 | nvz | I swear I am gonna be swept away to Kansas tonight |
| 08:45.34 | jm_ | drake: bah, you need to learn some basic commands, shift-page<up/down> or dpkg -s <pkgname> | more (q gets you out of more) |
| 08:45.48 | Phated | drake: Shift-PgUp and/or pipe to less. |
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| 08:45.52 | jm_ | so the command is "dpkg -s foo | more", without quotes |
| 08:45.55 | drake | ahhh shift |
| 08:46.00 | Tom- | shift? heh |
| 08:46.05 | Tom- | ctrl yourself man! |
| 08:46.18 | sussudio | you don't want kansas. it's full of kawfees. |
| 08:46.23 | debian | no way, alt rules |
| 08:46.36 | _d4vid | hi all |
| 08:46.49 | debian | !nickometer _d4vid |
| 08:46.49 | dpkg | '_d4vid' is 28.000% lame, debian |
| 08:46.54 | debian | _d4vid: hi |
| 08:47.03 | nvz | sussudio: do you have a choice? I thought tornados were more hit-or-miss travel, pretty much nonstop texas-kansas |
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| 08:47.45 | drake | jm : it says installed ok install |
| 08:47.57 | jm_ | drake: therefore dpkg-reconfigure will work |
| 08:48.19 | drake | jm : actually it says install ok installed |
| 08:49.22 | drake | jm : ok ill try , when i installed xserver it asked me all those gfx card details and what have you |
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| 08:49.27 | nvz | well doesnt seem to be any "look out for that fuckin twister!!" on weather.com :P |
| 08:49.34 | jm_ | drake: that's enough, no need to run it again |
| 08:49.39 | nvz | says gusts up to 24mph from the south |
| 08:49.45 | Avantopia | anyone here using XINE or Mplayer successfully under Sarge? |
| 08:49.52 | Avantopia | I can't get either to playback DVDs. |
| 08:49.53 | jm_ | Avantopia: yes, many people are |
| 08:50.04 | Avantopia | jm_, something is wrong with my setup then. |
| 08:50.11 | Avantopia | jm_, how can I find out the problem? |
| 08:50.21 | jm_ | Avantopia: get the one from nerim.net (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 08:50.24 | Avantopia | I insert a dvd and start xine or mplayer and nothing happens. |
| 08:50.41 | Phated | How about hitting that little DVD button on xine? |
| 08:50.53 | jm_ | he has 1.0-pre6 now |
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| 08:52.37 | peterS | totem >> xine |
| 08:52.40 | nvz | gonna have to tell this kid if she starts having a dream she's floating down a river, get up and go to the BR, she's drinkin way too much water for this time of the night |
| 08:53.04 | Avantopia | jm_, that is the one I am running. It freezes when I try and play a DVD. |
| 08:53.10 | peterS | nvz is a babysitter now? |
| 08:53.13 | peterS | when did this happen? |
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| 08:53.29 | jm_ | Avantopia: I haven't tried it with DVD-s yet, I don't have any |
| 08:53.37 | try_catch_this | ":Cannot join channel (+r)" what does this mean? |
| 08:53.44 | jm_ | it means what it says |
| 08:53.52 | peterS | try_catch_this: I think it means you have to be a registered user |
| 08:53.59 | try_catch_this | ok |
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| 08:54.37 | nvz | since my cousin started dissapearing at night and his daughter started having bad dreams |
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| 08:55.23 | Avantopia | does DRI conflict with Mplayer? |
| 08:55.34 | drake_ | jm : thanks alot its working now :) |
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| 08:56.16 | peterS | nvz: bit of an odd situation, hey? |
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| 08:56.30 | nvz | seems to be like they are related |
| 08:56.43 | nvz | child psycology isnt my specialty |
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| 08:58.20 | zyg | I set the envirentment with "export",but after reboot, the changes all lost |
| 08:58.23 | nvz | aw shit son, here she comes |
| 08:58.32 | nvz | the winds are pickin up |
| 08:58.38 | Selecter | zyg, /etc/environment |
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| 08:58.49 | jm_ | zyg: so what are you complaining about? your systems works as it should |
| 08:58.50 | Kzim | hi |
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| 08:59.48 | nvz | heh sounds like a tornado out there |
| 08:59.55 | Selecter | What do you think? Should G_FILENAME_ENCODING variable be sensitive to system locale? GDK programs use UTF-8 to show filename encodings. |
| 09:00.20 | nvz | like sussudio I dont want to end up in kansas tonight.. there are kawfee's |
| 09:00.32 | peterS | nvz: there are also peterSes |
| 09:00.38 | Selecter | gimp for example doesn't show cyrrilic filenames at all |
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| 09:01.50 | nvz | we just dont get winds like this whipping through Quaker Village rest of Texas probably isnt the least bit alarmed by this |
| 09:02.06 | keith | Debian 3.0r2. My desktop automatically logs out after 10 mins if not used. And even if downloading. Which file do I need to modify to correct this. |
| 09:02.12 | nvz | but I spent the last 16 years or so up north, I am not used to this |
| 09:02.19 | peterS | heh |
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| 09:03.28 | bartden | hi, i have a problem with cupsd, when i try to add a printer trough the web app from cupsd, i always keep getting client-error-not-authorized, any solution ?? |
| 09:03.51 | drake_ | are you logged in as root ? |
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| 09:04.44 | bartden | drake_ i think so, i'm logged in with the admin user |
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| 09:05.31 | Kzim | i have conf ppp connexion with pppconfig now how cani start it plz ? :/ |
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| 09:08.01 | Jarod51 | Hi |
| 09:08.57 | bBBb_ | Kzim: pon |
| 09:09.12 | nvz | I am not real concerned as the trailer park isnt close by.. so we are probably safe.. but we are one of the larger houses in the development.. so I figure taller houses I eaiser to rip apart :P |
| 09:09.33 | Shadur | Hmm, one problem I've noticed still with gvm: If you unplug a USB disk while you still have a nautilus browser window open, regardless of whether that window is browsing the disk, pumount fails and a kernel oops is generated. |
| 09:10.24 | nvz | hmm I just had a clue.. maybe the winds somehow are higher than the trees |
| 09:10.36 | nvz | which is why its comming down our roof |
| 09:11.23 | peterS | nvz: likely the winds are happening at tree level *and* above, but largely blocked by windbreaks close to the ground |
| 09:11.41 | nvz | too bad I dont have any of my movies with me.. I could just pop in twister and would notice |
| 09:12.13 | peterS | Shadur: that's a kernel problem. the kernel should react better to sudden unavailability of removable media |
| 09:12.17 | nvz | theres open lake and field all around the development, and this is one of the taller houses |
| 09:12.40 | peterS | nvz: yeah, pop in twister and feel like you're seeing it with surround sound, even if you aren't |
| 09:12.46 | nvz | heh |
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| 09:13.27 | Shadur | peterS: True, but at least pmount, hal and hotplug managed to deal with the problem very well as long as nothing was actually using the media at the time of disconnect. |
| 09:13.29 | nvz | we're talking texas.. things are spread out here. |
| 09:13.49 | nothos | god damn i've getting sick of trying to get these stupid ata raid controllers to work |
| 09:14.02 | nothos | lspci sees the controllers but I can't find any damn disks |
| 09:14.07 | nvz | there's no reason to build duplexes and shit and put houses back to back and not have yards around here |
| 09:14.16 | nvz | there is plenty of space |
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| 09:14.42 | peterS | nvz: there is that. this is rural texas, then? or semi-rural? |
| 09:14.46 | nothos | the siimage module is getting loaded but i still can't find shit |
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| 09:15.25 | Stubbe | I have runned fixmbr and I still cant boot my haddrive. How should i do ? |
| 09:15.32 | nvz | peterS: I dont know.. heh I lived in Grapvine when I was very young, now I am in Lake Dallas, which sits between Denton and Lewisvile about 25miles or so northeast of dallas |
| 09:16.00 | jm_ | Coke: how's the monitor doing? |
| 09:16.10 | Coke | jm_: 85 |
| 09:16.19 | Coke | suboptimal, but ok. |
| 09:16.43 | nvz | s/throught/thought/ |
| 09:16.44 | jm_ | Coke: it's really odd, I was looking for more info last night and found they list it with different specs |
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| 09:17.04 | Jarod51 | Hi |
| 09:17.08 | peterS | nvz: it is by will alone that you set your train in motion |
| 09:17.17 | Coke | indeed. when I browse the monitors built-in menu and look at the factory settings I cannot find a 1600x1200@95Hz. |
| 09:17.20 | Jarod51 | I have problems of slowness on my network |
| 09:17.43 | Coke | Jarod51: I have problems with the slowness of the world |
| 09:17.48 | peterS | Coke: you find 85Hz to be suboptimal? I can't see any difference once you get past 80 Hz or so |
| 09:17.49 | nvz | peterS: sounds good, is that a famous qoute, or shall I just credit you a karma point :P |
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| 09:17.57 | dli | Jarod51: results of "ping" |
| 09:18.01 | zyg | i changed the file ".bash_profile",and now i 'll reboot |
| 09:18.02 | peterS | nvz: an adaptation of some sort of mantra from the Dune books |
| 09:18.11 | Coke | peterS: my goodness! you haven't had a trinitron monitor that can do 1600x1200@110Hz |
| 09:18.17 | jm_ | yeah, presets all have lower Hz values - I think they even specify 85Hz to be recommended resolution, despite it being capable of doing more |
| 09:18.29 | jm_ | peterS: you can on 21" monitor |
| 09:18.38 | Coke | peterS: I can stand one meter away at 1600x1200 and still see pixels. |
| 09:18.41 | peterS | Coke: well, I *can* tell a difference when using active stereo glasses, since you get effectively half the vertical refresh that way (: |
| 09:18.46 | nvz | high resolutions present the aggrivation of having to go around and make all your fonts bigger |
| 09:18.56 | nvz | and in linux its not a simple task |
| 09:19.05 | peterS | Coke: but barring active stereo, 85 Hz and 95 Hz look exactly the same to me |
| 09:19.15 | nvz | everything seems to have its own independant font handling system |
| 09:19.19 | Coke | nvz: no need. the fonts are as big now as they were on my 15" |
| 09:19.43 | peterS | Coke: I talk to people who don't really notice anything wrong with 60 Hz. now *that* surprises me. |
| 09:19.43 | Coke | I increased the resolution by 1/3 and the monitor size by a 1/3 |
| 09:19.53 | extrumn | nas |
| 09:20.15 | Coke | peterS: nasty |
| 09:20.26 | dli | what is /.dev? I got: /dev on /.dev type unknown (rw,bind) |
| 09:20.33 | peterS | jm_: I have a 21" monitor at 1600x1200. it's old enough not to support greater than 70 Hz at that resolution, though |
| 09:20.41 | Coke | danm it, those #python ops screw with the channel name constantly. |
| 09:20.50 | peterS | dli: /.dev is the backup location for /dev when you run udev |
| 09:20.54 | jm_ | peterS: same here, mine can only do 75Hz so I am using it in 1280x960 mode, which sucks |
| 09:21.03 | nvz | I dont think there is any point worrying.. now is a good time to have some faith.. its not like the houses in this development have anywhere you can take cover anyhow.. heh |
| 09:21.03 | jm_ | even my 17" at home can do better ;) |
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| 09:21.05 | Kzimm | hi |
| 09:21.12 | peterS | jm_: yeah. I'd much prefer 85 Hz. but I still can't tell the difference between 85 and anything higher than that |
| 09:21.14 | dli | peterS: I just leave it as is? |
| 09:21.24 | peterS | dli: you can ignore it |
| 09:21.25 | Kzimm | i want config a pp cnx and i have : Dec 30 10:11:49 linux pppd[20264]: Connect script failed |
| 09:21.34 | Coke | jm_: are you a channel op here? |
| 09:21.39 | jm_ | Coke: no |
| 09:21.46 | nvz | the downstairs powder room is probably the savest structurally, but it stinks, and its got a big glass mirror, etc which makes it not a safe place to be |
| 09:21.50 | dli | peterS: thanks :) |
| 09:22.03 | Coke | duh! apt tells me to look for people with @ in front of the name. |
| 09:22.14 | Coke | that is not a very good answer. |
| 09:22.22 | Guerin | Coke: yeah, he laernt some bung factoids off another bot |
| 09:22.32 | keith | Hi all! How can I stop an automatic logout to the login screen every 10 mins or so if the mouse or keys are not used.This even occurs while in download.Debian 3.0r2 |
| 09:22.47 | Guerin | keith: what's causing it? |
| 09:23.05 | karsten | Anyone have a good way to search weblogs for IPs in a given CIDR range? |
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| 09:23.20 | Coke | Guerin: pfft. parents always blame the other kids. |
| 09:23.26 | Guerin | Coke: heh. |
| 09:23.50 | keith | Guerin: That is what I want to know. Which file/files do I modify |
| 09:23.54 | Active2 | oeh 210000 substitutions in vim... access and exporting to CSV :'( |
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| 09:24.19 | debian | keith: is that just a screen saver or really logout? |
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| 09:24.35 | jm_ | maybe it crashes when screen saver runs |
| 09:24.39 | Guerin | keith: well, it doesn't happen in debian by default. Check your xfree logs |
| 09:25.05 | Coke | Some people in #unnamed told me they think #debian is full of trolls who attack newbies on account of their many stupid questions. I feel guilty. :) |
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| 09:25.29 | bBBb_ | Kzimm: look at /var/log/syslog to debug ppp |
| 09:25.45 | jm_ | funny, I bet those people would love to share the road with trolls who don't learn how to drive in a driving school |
| 09:25.57 | jm_ | trolls=idiots=whatever |
| 09:26.06 | Guerin | Coke: they're just jealous because we have all the smart people |
| 09:26.16 | Coke | Geert: well, thank you! :) |
| 09:26.29 | Kzimm | d |
| 09:26.32 | Coke | that was for you, Guerin |
| 09:26.37 | Guerin | so I figured |
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| 09:26.47 | Coke | How can I make IRSSI _not_ complete if there are ambigious nicks? |
| 09:26.52 | v7w | trolls=idiots=arrogants=whatever |
| 09:26.55 | gokee2_ | Talk now? |
| 09:27.00 | gokee2_ | hmm yes... |
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| 09:27.07 | nvz | Coke: I wondered the same thing, but never took the time to look |
| 09:27.22 | nvz | Coke: /set lists most vars if you just want to look aimlessly |
| 09:27.29 | Guerin | Coke: you can set it ti bash-style completion |
| 09:27.36 | Coke | Well, they gave me an example that I could easily rebutt |
| 09:27.43 | Coke | Guerin: that sucks! |
| 09:27.43 | peterS | !wb gokee2_ |
| 09:27.44 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! gokee2_ has returned! |
| 09:27.58 | Coke | It's insane to complete the first matching combination of a nick. |
| 09:28.25 | Guerin | Coke: it shouldn't; it should complete to the nick of the last matching person who spoke in channel |
| 09:28.37 | Coke | Guerin: that's even more sucky. :) |
| 09:29.02 | Coke | Or perhaps I'm just used to being presented the alternatives in BASH |
| 09:29.05 | Guerin | Coke: there's no substitute for reading what's on your input line before hitting enter |
| 09:30.06 | Coke | Guerin: oh yes, the BASH-way is the better way. :) |
| 09:31.06 | nvz | bash style is just a means of visually and audibly smacking you arround for fat-fingering the completion key |
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| 09:31.30 | jm_ | Guerin: you mean it doesn't take into account who spoke last? I always thought it does |
| 09:31.33 | Coke | *sigh* my friends claims he can't get > 7 bit characters in his x terminal. it works fine in console, he has a correctly configured keyboard and the x terminal font supports > 7 bit characters. What else is there to check? |
| 09:31.49 | jm_ | Coke: shell settings |
| 09:31.50 | Avantopia | audio is not being decoded correctly in mplayer; I fixed my earlier issue of not being able to play a dvd by 'apt-get install libdvdcss2; |
| 09:32.01 | gokee2_ | Well my problem is that I can not start anything as non root |
| 09:32.01 | Coke | jm_: well, that ought to work since it works in console |
| 09:32.16 | jm_ | Coke: if it loads the same files as in console! /msg dpkg bashrc |
| 09:32.28 | gokee2_ | So I have to walk all the way over to my other computer to talk |
| 09:32.40 | Avantopia | jm_, I fixed the earlier issue with mplayer. |
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| 09:32.46 | jm_ | Avantopia: so I see |
| 09:32.48 | Coke | jm_: it must. I never changed anything besides /etc/inputrc |
| 09:33.07 | gokee2_ | It says gtk worning can not open displey |
| 09:33.32 | Avantopia | jm_, any idea what would cause audio not to be decoding properly... I noticed while playing back Amadeus the movie, I can only hear 'music' being played back and not the audio from the actors voices. |
| 09:33.35 | gokee2_ | When opening any progeam |
| 09:33.37 | Avantopia | ?? |
| 09:33.39 | gokee2_ | program* |
| 09:33.53 | Coke | Avantopia: try #mplayer |
| 09:33.54 | gokee2_ | But as root it works |
| 09:34.02 | gokee2_ | Anone know why? |
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| 09:34.17 | gokee2_ | antone* |
| 09:34.24 | gokee2_ | anyone* |
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| 09:34.26 | Coke | gokee2_: yes, you have not configured your X security permissions properly for your system. either learn how to do it or turn all security off. |
| 09:34.29 | jm_ | Avantopia: try using -alang |
| 09:34.35 | Avantopia | jm_, k |
| 09:34.43 | gokee2_ | Coke, How do I turn it all off |
| 09:34.44 | gokee2_ | ? |
| 09:35.05 | Coke | gokee2_: how do you start X? |
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| 09:35.36 | gokee2_ | startx -display :1 |
| 09:35.44 | Coke | gokee2_: as root? |
| 09:35.48 | gokee2_ | ya |
| 09:35.52 | gokee2_ | or as gokee2 |
| 09:35.53 | jm_ | well doh |
| 09:36.01 | gokee2_ | I think they both work |
| 09:36.03 | jm_ | Gokee2: man Xsecurity ; /msg dpkg sux |
| 09:36.24 | Coke | hrm |
| 09:36.34 | jm_ | heh |
| 09:36.54 | gokee2_ | ok |
| 09:37.59 | nvz | hmm, this kid really is having some vivid dreams |
| 09:38.03 | keith | debian: Well it goes to screensaver for a shortwhile and if the mouse or keypress it returns to desktop but logs out to the login screen if no action is taken on the mouse or keys. This happens for Debian, KDE or Gnome. |
| 09:38.21 | nvz | I thought she was just acting up cause her dad was leaving at night |
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| 09:38.49 | nvz | her eyes will twitch and her breathing and heart rate change |
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| 09:39.09 | Guerin | jm_: yeah, I think it does. Isn't that what I said? |
| 09:39.12 | Coke | nvz: you should see cats and dogs. talk about vivid dreaming. |
| 09:39.34 | jm_ | Guerin: you did, but you said "should" so I was in doubt |
| 09:39.44 | Coke | nvz: sometimes my cats will meow out loud and lie on their backs while "running". |
| 09:40.10 | jm_ | hehe |
| 09:40.17 | nvz | Coke: yeah but honestly a dogs thought bubble probably got a porter house dangling in front of them, and their leg twiching in anticipation, is just a resuly of them having to wait for your ass to open the package before they can realize it |
| 09:40.49 | nvz | this kid on the other hand has alot more that makes up her mind state right now |
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| 09:41.15 | nvz | she's panting right now as though she just ran a marathon |
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| 09:41.41 | Phated | Jesus, man, stop talking about it and go give her a glass of milk. :| |
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| 09:42.12 | nvz | she's laying right next to me.. and I am not going to wake a kid up at 3:40am just because they seem to be having a bad dream |
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| 09:42.27 | Coke | nvz: unless she starts crying, don't |
| 09:42.29 | Coke | kids do that |
| 09:42.41 | dondelelcaro | hell, even if they start crying |
| 09:42.42 | nvz | I know enough to gain more from observing her, and letting her get some rest |
| 09:42.47 | Phated | She's going to wake up on her own soon enough. |
| 09:42.47 | deadcat | oh girl, cat fight. |
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| 09:43.01 | dondelelcaro | waking people up in the middle of dreams is fucked up, even if they're nasty dreams |
| 09:43.11 | deadcat | hahhaah |
| 09:43.29 | nvz | I wish I had some damn equipment to hook up here :P |
| 09:43.43 | nvz | do some sleep studies |
| 09:43.44 | deadcat | i get really angry when people wake me up... angry as in i am gonna get your ass biatch. |
| 09:44.08 | nvz | I've only had the ability to read about the stuff so far |
| 09:44.15 | Guerin | yeah, same |
| 09:44.23 | Coke | dondelelcaro: naw, I used to do it all the time to my ex. she used to talk in her sleep and sometimes she would be crying out for help and when I'd wake her up she'd usualy snuggle up real close. |
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| 09:44.51 | dondelelcaro | Coke: waking people in REM tends to make them go insane if you do it often enough |
| 09:44.51 | Phated | Men, meet women. The ones that won't break your neck. |
| 09:44.52 | Shadur | ~tell paco about root |
| 09:44.56 | nvz | wtf?! |
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| 09:45.16 | Coke | dondelelcaro: it only happened once or twice per month |
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| 09:45.22 | nvz | nm. damn wind :/ |
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| 09:45.53 | Coke | dondelelcaro: but it is very sceary when someone says "help me, peter!" while sleeping. |
| 09:46.01 | dondelelcaro | hahahaha |
| 09:46.09 | Coke | dondelelcaro: and besides, she'd already woken me up, I don't see why I can't return the favor. :) |
| 09:46.09 | peterS | Coke: "...you're my only hope" |
| 09:46.20 | maalox | I just managed to reformat over a lot of important files. Anyone know any recovery tools that can undelete files that have been formatted over? |
| 09:46.23 | Coke | yeah, it freaked me out the first time |
| 09:46.28 | nvz | shes in a happy place now not sure what shes doing though.. watching her fingers move looks like something bad is about to happen again |
| 09:46.38 | deadcat | maalox: what filesystem? |
| 09:46.46 | maalox | deadcat: ext2 |
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| 09:46.54 | Coke | what's this "format" nonsense everybody's talking about? I don't think I've formatted anything since I stowed away my Amiga. |
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| 09:47.21 | dondelelcaro | maalox: if the actual data is still there, you can probably get at it using cat. if you've actually overwritten it, it's gone, unless you want to pay a few hundred thousand dollars. |
| 09:47.24 | deadcat | maalox: try recover maybe. |
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| 09:47.57 | Phated | Coke: Format:windows::exorcist:evil spirit. Geddit? :) |
| 09:48.08 | Coke | isn't there a major difference between formatting and destroying the filesystem? |
| 09:48.15 | _Dom_ | how to i use aptget to install x |
| 09:48.22 | maalox | dondelelcaro: I've been keeping it read-only since I made the mistake. |
| 09:48.27 | deadcat | _Dom_: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 09:48.38 | dondelelcaro | Coke: people talk about formatting when they mean high-level, aka "making a filesystem" |
| 09:48.39 | Coke | maalox: did you _really_ format the disk or did you just repartition it or recreate the filesystem? |
| 09:48.43 | maalox | The problem is, most of the files are pictures, not text... so I can't just look through them |
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| 09:48.45 | _Dom_ | thanks |
| 09:48.54 | maalox | Coke: really formatted |
| 09:49.05 | Coke | maalox: a hard disk? |
| 09:49.10 | maalox | Coke: Yep |
| 09:49.12 | Coke | maalox: what command did you use? |
| 09:49.15 | deadcat | just let the data go dude. |
| 09:49.17 | dondelelcaro | maalox: it's just pr0n then... not really worth the time or effort. |
| 09:49.18 | nvz | this kid is so having nightmares. I can only wonder |
| 09:49.25 | maalox | mke2fs |
| 09:49.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: unless its homemade porn? |
| 09:49.34 | maalox | dondelelcaro: They're my personal pictures :) |
| 09:49.39 | maalox | ;) |
| 09:49.40 | Phated | Homemade. |
| 09:49.41 | Coke | nvz: kids have nightmares all the time. i did too. |
| 09:49.43 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you're right, apparently... |
| 09:49.45 | _Dom_ | coulnt find package |
| 09:49.52 | Coke | maalox: how did you format it? |
| 09:50.00 | nvz | Coke: yeah I guess |
| 09:50.02 | deadcat | _Dom_: bullshit |
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| 09:50.21 | nvz | this kid really is having nightmares all the time, and shes only 5 |
| 09:50.25 | Coke | deadcat: is is really named -core ? |
| 09:50.28 | maalox | Coke: I made a 100g ext2 filesystem with mke2fs |
| 09:50.35 | nvz | I dont think she's having normal boogyman nightmares |
| 09:50.36 | deadcat | Coke: ya. |
| 09:50.39 | Coke | maalox: that's NOT formatting. |
| 09:50.47 | maalox | Coke: Then realized I messed up |
| 09:50.47 | Phated | nvz: Counselling time, man. Loath though I am to recommend counselling to a kid. |
| 09:50.50 | _Dom_ | E: Couldn't find package w-window-system-core |
| 09:50.52 | Coke | maalox: if you format your disk that means rearranging it's physical behaviour. |
| 09:50.55 | deadcat | !find x-window-system-core |
| 09:50.56 | drac | _Dom_: w-windows? |
| 09:51.01 | drac | _Dom_: x-window |
| 09:51.02 | deadcat | !+find x-window-system-core |
| 09:51.02 | dpkg | x-window-system-core: (X Window System core components), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 147 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 09:51.17 | _Dom_ | im using woody |
| 09:51.24 | jm_ | it's in Woody too |
| 09:51.28 | maalox | Coke: Ok, then whatever I did I created another ext2 filesstem over the one I should have kept |
| 09:51.30 | Coke | maalox: you did NOT format, remember this until next time. if you format a disk all data is REALLY bye bye, if you just rewrite the filesystem you might find a copy of the nodes. |
| 09:51.36 | Coke | maalox: it's not fucking whatever. |
| 09:51.39 | _Dom_ | i thought apt downloaded it from the internet |
| 09:51.40 | Mikesh | _Dom_: not w-window but X :) |
| 09:51.41 | Coke | it's a HUGE difference |
| 09:51.46 | nvz | I can tell by her body language vaguely what she is seeing so I know the difference |
| 09:51.46 | zyg | why my debian system's clock goes so slowly, two hours has past when it goes one |
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| 09:51.56 | deadcat | _Dom_: check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:52.01 | dondelelcaro | Coke: again, it's ok to talk about formatting when you mean high-level formatting as opposed to low-level formatting. |
| 09:52.06 | dubbaluga | hello, does anybody of you know, if the vda patch is applied to the default-postfix deb-packages? i want to use mail-quotas in a virtual domain with postfix |
| 09:52.13 | drac | _Dom_: don't check anything, just try to type correctly. |
| 09:52.15 | Coke | dondelelcaro: creating a filesystem is considered formatting in some world? |
| 09:52.21 | dondelelcaro | Coke: it's high-level formatting. |
| 09:52.29 | Coke | dondelelcaro: where's the format? |
| 09:52.35 | _Dom_ | E: Couldn't find package x-window-system-core |
| 09:52.43 | dondelelcaro | Coke: the filesystem is the format. |
| 09:52.44 | maalox | Ok well |
| 09:52.46 | Coke | dondelelcaro: a filesystem is just written data. |
| 09:52.49 | _Dom_ | :P drac |
| 09:52.50 | drac | _Dom_: now you can check :P |
| 09:52.56 | dondelelcaro | Coke: with a format of where to store the actual data. |
| 09:53.11 | maalox | Coke: What are the chances I can find the inodes, and where should I start on this |
| 09:53.13 | _Dom_ | check what? |
| 09:53.21 | drac | /etc/sources.list |
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| 09:53.46 | jm_ | it's in /etc/apt ;) |
| 09:53.47 | dli | drac: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:53.53 | Coke | maalox: you said ext2, so that's probably impossible. however, you can scan block-by-block on your HD until you find data that looks like the files you want. |
| 09:53.56 | nvz | what I am wondering is how I can get her to recall any of it.. and not just the matter of being able to recollect dreams, but also in the fact that I dont think she really knows what it is she is truely afraid of. |
| 09:54.00 | Coke | maalox: you can then save those blocks into your new filesystem. |
| 09:54.02 | tools-lt | Hi, I'm running Debian Sid, with an intel8x0 soundcard using alsa, and the last month it keeps breaking, I tried uninstalling with --purge, added a acpi=noirq to my boot params. Sound works now, but I need to run alsaconf after every reboot. Does anybody know where to look to make sure my sound is correct on boot |
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| 09:54.25 | Coke | maalox: I once did it with MS Word documents lost on a previous employers server. |
| 09:54.25 | drac | dli: yeah, i'll just shup up. just woke up, i blame that. :) |
| 09:54.29 | _Dom_ | whats the open command |
| 09:54.52 | colde89 | where can i stop that applications like OO starts when i start kde? |
| 09:54.53 | dondelelcaro | _Dom_: open command where? |
| 09:55.01 | saloxin | tools-lt: alsaconf add some modules for you. use lsmod to see which ones and add them to /etc/modules |
| 09:55.08 | maalox | Coke: So I'm limited to copy and pasting what I can? There's no way to restore the files how they were? |
| 09:55.09 | Coke | dondelelcaro: to me, the physical format of my disk is 16383/16/63 and the logical is 65535/16/63. that's the format. the filesystem is just catalouge data to me. |
| 09:55.14 | tools-lt | saloxin: thanks, that should be it |
| 09:55.25 | dubbaluga | colde89, maybe you should save a session with no apps started! |
| 09:55.27 | Coke | maalox: not without the inodes |
| 09:55.27 | _Dom_ | i tryed edit sources.list |
| 09:55.33 | _Dom_ | open sources.list |
| 09:55.35 | _Dom_ | and sources.lst |
| 09:55.38 | nvz | I've tried scaring this kid before.. shes not afraid of aliens, dark places nothing.. whatever is tearing her up is personal and at her age I dont follow what personal issues she has |
| 09:55.51 | dondelelcaro | Coke: that's often called the low-level format. |
| 09:56.00 | colde89 | dubbaluge: save? yust stop kde with no apps started? |
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| 09:56.09 | maalox | Coke: The partition was ext3 originally. Would the journal have that kind of information? |
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| 09:56.17 | colde89 | dubbaluge: this did not work |
| 09:56.26 | deadcat | _Dom_: you sure you have Debian? |
| 09:56.39 | _Dom_ | yep |
| 09:56.44 | Coke | dondelelcaro: really? I call it creating a filesystem. :) I will NOT buy high/low level format, because you are not formatting the disk by writing data to it. you are not rearranging it's physical behaviour in any way. |
| 09:56.47 | _Dom_ | i have woody |
| 09:56.50 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's not necessarily anything specific in a dream... you can just start activiating fear without actually being afraid of anything |
| 09:56.59 | Coke | dondelelcaro: and what would partitioning be? mid-level formatting? |
| 09:57.06 | deadcat | _Dom_: /etc/apt/sources.list have anything? |
| 09:57.09 | dubbaluga | colde89, hmm....maybe you should look in your kde-config-dir for files containing "soffice" or something similar |
| 09:57.14 | dondelelcaro | Coke: partitioning doesn't really enter into it at all |
| 09:57.14 | _Dom_ | deadcat im trying to create a version that just boots 1 program |
| 09:57.23 | Coke | dondelelcaro: why not? it's written to disk too. |
| 09:57.24 | deadcat | ? |
| 09:57.24 | nvz | dondelelcaro: thats something I am not sure about either.. where exactly the fear response in dreams comes from |
| 09:57.31 | colde89 | dubbaluge: ok will have a look for it .. |
| 09:57.40 | _Dom_ | deadcat i dont know the command to open sources.list and i dont know what im looking for in there |
| 09:57.47 | deadcat | _Dom_: cat |
| 09:57.58 | dondelelcaro | Coke: because the partition table is generally only in a specific part of the disk... it generally doesn't extend throughout the disk like a filesystem does. |
| 09:58.06 | dubbaluga | colde89, try: find /etc -type f -exec grep -iHn soffice {} \; |
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| 09:58.09 | Coke | dondelelcaro: why would that matter? |
| 09:58.24 | nvz | dondelelcaro: but its just started happening every single night.. and I can actually see it happening.. |
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| 09:58.51 | dondelelcaro | nvz: interesting... try asking her right after she wakes up... 'course, she probably will only be able to remember the last dream... |
| 09:58.53 | deadcat | i really consider buying taco bell stocks. i eat there alot... (= |
| 09:59.18 | _Dom_ | just says deb cdrom woody lordsutch.com mini cd unstable main non-us/main |
| 09:59.19 | nvz | I've never had real vivid dreams or nightmares really, when I do they are often realistic in that they are things that actually have or will happen.. |
| 09:59.19 | Phated | Hey, why not. If the stocks do well, you can use the money off it to get more tacos. |
| 09:59.29 | deadcat | HAHAHAHA (= |
| 09:59.32 | Phated | :) |
| 09:59.35 | dondelelcaro | Coke: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/geom/formatHigh-c.html |
| 09:59.41 | _Dom_ | #deb http:///security.debian.org stable/updates/main |
| 09:59.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: libapache-gallery-perl dont do .gif? |
| 09:59.50 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: um... it should |
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| 09:59.51 | deadcat | _Dom_: thats it? run apt-setup |
| 10:00.03 | deadcat | ok |
| 10:00.05 | deadcat | let me chek |
| 10:00.05 | nvz | I just dont know if she will either know what it is, or want to talk about it if she does recall |
| 10:00.19 | dli | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.19 | dli | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.20 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: although, you probably should just make them pngs |
| 10:00.31 | Phated | nvz: I used to always have dreams/nightmares about new people I met. They're not exactly typical fears like aliens or the dark. |
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| 10:00.31 | dli | my X takes 85% CPU :( |
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| 10:00.37 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. they are just some simpsons pics. |
| 10:00.49 | nvz | like I said child psycology isnt my thing.. they dont undersand and much and their attention span is much different |
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| 10:00.55 | deadcat | dli: mine goes up to 99% and X is dead. have to ssh in and killall )= |
| 10:01.07 | deadcat | dli: nvidia driver? |
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| 10:01.10 | husein | anyone who had installed OSCAR here?? |
| 10:01.17 | onno | How wel does Debian work on the laptop? |
| 10:01.20 | dli | deadcat: ah, you got nvidia binary |
| 10:01.28 | Coke | dondelelcaro: yeah, I can't be 100% sure that the dictionary is bullshit, but they use DOS format as an example which firms my beliefs that "format" is the wrong term induced by Microsoft because their systems call it that. |
| 10:01.28 | Guerin | onno: as well as you want it to. |
| 10:01.33 | dli | deadcat: no, seems to be a mozilla problem |
| 10:01.35 | deadcat | dli: ya. )= |
| 10:01.38 | nvz | I guess you have to get them busy doing something else when you talk to them |
| 10:01.41 | onno | But how much work wil there be in it to make it run |
| 10:01.47 | onno | I'm on a short time period |
| 10:01.52 | Guerin | onno: |<-->| this much |
| 10:01.55 | onno | And not the best GNU/Linux admin |
| 10:02.02 | dli | deadcat: I'm running old S3Savage here |
| 10:02.03 | deadcat | dli: X hangs me when i open xine/dillo/limewire and sometimes it just hang. )= |
| 10:02.14 | Coke | deadcat: there's a reason why the GNU command for creating ext filesystems is called mkfs and not format. |
| 10:02.17 | onno | Ok and what Debian version do I need to download? |
| 10:02.20 | Coke | dondelelcaro: there's a reason why the GNU command for creating ext filesystems is |
| 10:02.20 | Guerin | onno: depends what you want and how fast your internet connection is. |
| 10:02.23 | nvz | get her to paint me a picture of what she sees in her dreams :P |
| 10:02.23 | Coke | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.24 | dondelelcaro | Coke: you could argue that it's the wrong term, and that it should be called something else. I may or may not agree, but whatever. I'm trying to explain how it is used, and why someone thought it was reasonable at one point in time. |
| 10:02.27 | onno | Fast |
| 10:02.30 | dli | deadcat: I have been telling people here that nvidia-binary hangs the whole system :( |
| 10:02.36 | Guerin | onno: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 10:02.37 | nvz | who knows might sell on ebay.. heh |
| 10:02.52 | dli | deadcat: I dont' touch nvidia binary anymore, running xorg with nv driver |
| 10:02.57 | deadcat | dli: ya. no one can figure out my problem as well. |
| 10:03.01 | Guerin | dli: slow as a dog? |
| 10:03.01 | _Dom_ | dont know if anything needs to be changed with the distro but i just got 404 error found on one of the mirrors |
| 10:03.04 | Phated | nvz: It's people like you who start things like The Ring, you know. :) |
| 10:03.06 | deadcat | dli: i need nvidia for dual monitor |
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| 10:03.13 | Coke | dondelelcaro: it was never reasonable, it was Microsoft. |
| 10:03.16 | _Dom_ | might need to be removed |
| 10:03.27 | dli | deadcat: can xorg do twin? |
| 10:03.32 | dondelelcaro | Coke: format has been called format well before microsoft and msdos. |
| 10:03.41 | deadcat | dli: dont know. havent tried xorg. stable? |
| 10:03.51 | dli | deadcat: stable in gentoo :) |
| 10:03.51 | dondelelcaro | Coke: but if it makes you more comfortable, feel free to blame them. |
| 10:03.57 | Coke | dondelelcaro: and back then it ONLY meant changing the media format, not creating filesystems. |
| 10:03.59 | deadcat | dli: debian here. (= |
| 10:04.18 | dondelelcaro | Coke: for many forms of media, the media format is indistinguishable from the filesystem. |
| 10:04.25 | dli | deadcat: I tried for long, nothing can save me from system hang-up, but nv driver |
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| 10:04.31 | deadcat | dli: i am too lazy and impatient to mess with gentoo. |
| 10:04.33 | Coke | dondelelcaro: well, they are responsible for the most popular home use OS' and it that OS would call it "format" I can see why people would believe so. |
| 10:04.51 | nvz | Phated: I dont know about 'The Ring', but I do know 'people like you' is usually a condescending term. |
| 10:04.53 | dli | deadcat: can you run nv with xfree86? just to test |
| 10:04.59 | Coke | dondelelcaro: ok. I was wrong, "high-level format" is an accepted term it seems. |
| 10:05.00 | deadcat | dli: too bad nv dont do dual mon. )= |
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| 10:05.08 | Phated | nvz: I -was- joking, but I take it back. |
| 10:05.10 | dondelelcaro | Coke: *shrug*. It gets called high and low level format on platforms that have never had MS-DOS... |
| 10:05.16 | deadcat | dli: nv works fine. but i have 2 lcd. |
| 10:05.21 | husein | Guerin: i am running a instalation script for OSCAR. It gives me erros, telling me that it cant write ovber directory PROC. I have changed permisions before running it to 777, but at the end, it have turns to 555. It says me this http://www.pastebin.com/134741. Can you help me ? |
| 10:05.24 | dli | deadcat: my experience is that nv won't freeze your system |
| 10:05.30 | deadcat | ya. |
| 10:05.32 | onno | Can I see somewhere screenshots off debian desktop? |
| 10:05.48 | Coke | dondelelcaro: I think it's highly unlogical to call filesystem creation format, but not partitioning since it decides the size formats for the subdevice. |
| 10:05.50 | jethro | mornin everyone |
| 10:05.52 | nvz | Phated: oh its quite alright its 4am, I got woke up by a terrified kid.. not much is going to hurt my feelings right about now |
| 10:06.01 | deadcat | http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/screenshots/ |
| 10:06.09 | Phated | nvz: See above. Was joking, but nevermind. |
| 10:06.14 | onno | thxs |
| 10:06.18 | dondelelcaro | Coke: yeah, but it's really just a table... the filesystem usually sticks parts of itself thorughout the partition... |
| 10:06.31 | dondelelcaro | Coke: so there is room for a distinction, even if it may not be the most logical one. |
| 10:06.31 | dli | deadcat: nvidia binary freezes my laptop > once /day |
| 10:06.35 | deadcat | onno: my upload is only 40k |
| 10:06.40 | deadcat | dli: damn |
| 10:06.54 | nvz | hmm.. I think the tornado is inside now too |
| 10:06.55 | dondelelcaro | onno: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/ss/ |
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| 10:07.16 | deadcat | my ibook uptime is... damn it just wont crash. ( |
| 10:07.16 | nvz | ahh! bunnies! |
| 10:07.19 | Coke | dondelelcaro: no, it's not very logical. next time someone asks I'll tell them to make the distinction between high or low level. |
| 10:07.32 | Guerin | husein: do you think you could explain to me why I might give a fuck? |
| 10:07.33 | dli | deadcat : with xorg, I got only once when running testing xorg 6.8.1 :( |
| 10:07.38 | Coke | deadcat: my friend has the same experience. he used to be a Windows user. |
| 10:07.50 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: that theme you have there is pretty nice |
| 10:07.55 | onno | Ok I think I will give it a swing on my laptop |
| 10:07.57 | Guerin | husein: I know nothing about this 'oscar' you talk about |
| 10:07.58 | Coke | deadcat: he said "and even from sleep mode it just takes two seconds for it to give me the state in which I left it" |
| 10:08.12 | Coke | I just replied "yeah, it's because it's a real operating system" |
| 10:08.17 | onno | Is there a page where I can see if there are compatibility problems on laptop machines |
| 10:08.26 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: the black one? or the grey one? |
| 10:08.31 | onno | There is a Nvidia driver... brrrr |
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| 10:08.35 | Coke | onno: thousands. |
| 10:08.39 | dondelelcaro | onno: depends on the laptop... just try using the d-i netinst. |
| 10:08.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: the first image. grey. thats openbox right? |
| 10:08.42 | Guerin | onno: all compatibility issues are to do with the linux kernel, not the distro. |
| 10:08.46 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah... |
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| 10:09.01 | husein | Guerin: i am asking you how to keep to 777 directory used by script |
| 10:09.07 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: <name>winterewl</name> |
| 10:09.10 | Guerin | onno: worst-case, you might have to build a custom kernel to get some unusual functionality - but sarge should support most thing out of the box. |
| 10:09.10 | onno | Aaa, didn't know that.... This community is realy alive and kicking :)))) |
| 10:09.14 | deadcat | nice. but i am lookinf for this: http://icculus.org/openbox/shots/full/4.big.png |
| 10:09.19 | jethro | !confuse husein |
| 10:09.19 | dpkg | Yes, those is your snake tomorrow, husein? shirts of the dictatorship of belarus with extra cream |
| 10:09.21 | deadcat | i am using thebear |
| 10:09.31 | Avantopia | why is gnome-btdownload not available? |
| 10:09.46 | Avantopia | what does one use for a bittorrent gui in sarge? |
| 10:09.49 | Guerin | husein: I don't know what changes it or why, so I can't answer. Generally you shouldn't have ANY directory (other than /tmp) with those permissions |
| 10:09.49 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, that was too clunky for me... |
| 10:09.49 | deadcat | Avantopia: bittoranado |
| 10:09.55 | deadcat | (= |
| 10:10.01 | onno | The only thing I don't understand of debian is what are the latest software progs |
| 10:10.03 | husein | Guerin: cause, script, turns off to 555 during its executing |
| 10:10.26 | Guerin | husein: edit the script, or find out why it wants to do that. |
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| 10:10.51 | Guerin | husein: it's clear you're fucking with things that you have no clue about. If you want to run an IM server, why don't you use jabberd? |
| 10:10.54 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: when did you go ob3? (= |
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| 10:11.14 | Avantopia | deadcat, thx... is bittornado now available in firefox? |
| 10:11.20 | onno | You sure you people are going to help me out with problems? |
| 10:11.23 | husein | that diretory which i am spaecking ABOUT IS -/var/lib/systemimager/images/oscarimage/proc |
| 10:11.34 | deadcat | Avantopia: ? whats that got to do with firefox? |
| 10:11.40 | Guerin | Avantopia: um, no, a bittorrent client is not available in a web browser |
| 10:11.44 | deadcat | onno: whats the prob? |
| 10:11.54 | jethro | husein: read the script, figure out how to use/tweak it et do your duty, stop bothering us with a non debian related issue |
| 10:12.09 | jethro | s/et/and/ |
| 10:12.11 | Avantopia | deadcat, uhm... you can click on a torrent file and choose an application to open it with. |
| 10:12.12 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: the dark one is fluxbox right? |
| 10:12.18 | onno | Non for now :)) |
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| 10:12.27 | deadcat | Avantopia: bittoranado do that with ff. (= |
| 10:12.32 | deadcat | it gives a gui thing |
| 10:12.36 | Avantopia | deadcat, thx |
| 10:12.47 | Jarod51 | can anyone help me with qpopper please |
| 10:12.48 | Guerin | onno: if you do your own due diligence beforehand, sure. If you expect free help on a silver platter, you'll get flamed just like everyone else :) |
| 10:12.52 | deadcat | Avantopia: but you should use the curse one with screen. (= |
| 10:13.04 | nvz | ok well I thought maybe the stripclub or bar sounded like a possible place he could have gone, but till 4am? like I said before he isnt much like me, but it doesnt seem like I would be missing this late in the morning when my kid has got school in the morning.. mf migh be in jail or something |
| 10:13.16 | Coke | Can somebody from this channel explain to me what the #python people are doing? What the heck is up with the channel split? |
| 10:13.24 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: no, that's also openbox |
| 10:13.26 | Shadur | Guerin: Or charged money, of course. My professional helpdesk rates are $100 per hour, rounded up to the nearest full day. :) |
| 10:13.33 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, it should work with gifs too... |
| 10:13.34 | v7w | onno, the latest packages are usually in unstable |
| 10:13.36 | Coke | Isn't there some freenode authority who controls the ops? |
| 10:13.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh. cool. |
| 10:13.48 | Tom- | Coke: They have some URLs in their topic, that's where I'd look first |
| 10:13.52 | Guerin | Coke: the staffers do. Ask in #freenode |
| 10:13.58 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: change line 172 to $img_pattern = '\.(jpe?g|png|tiff?|ppm|gif)$' |
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| 10:14.02 | Guerin | Shadur: hah, if only. |
| 10:14.06 | Coke | Tom-: http://divmod.org/users/washort/python-split.html |
| 10:14.10 | Coke | but it doesn't make any sense. |
| 10:14.15 | a-atwood1home | I have a machine at work that was on a static IP address, and was moved to another part of the building, that has a different network segment. How do I get it to release that ip address and get a non-static one? |
| 10:14.34 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: or better, set GalleryImgFile to '\.(jpe?g|png|tiff?|ppm|gif)$' |
| 10:14.36 | Shadur | Guerin: I'm serious. If he sends me $2400 in advance I'll gladly handhold him through his problem. :) |
| 10:14.36 | Coke | It only tells you how to work-around their stupidity on two specific issues. |
| 10:14.59 | Tom- | I have no idea why they'd want to split it |
| 10:15.03 | Tom- | there's not a lot of traffic |
| 10:15.11 | Guerin | Shadur: fuckin'A |
| 10:15.13 | majkl | Hi, I have upgraded to sarge and "redir" command stop to work :( No data are redirected, has anybody same problem ? |
| 10:15.57 | onno | v7w what is meant with unstable? |
| 10:16.11 | jazzmans | !sid |
| 10:16.11 | dpkg | sid is, like, the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 10:16.14 | Shadur | onno: Which part of that word do you have trouble understanding? |
| 10:16.29 | jazzmans | !unstable |
| 10:16.29 | dpkg | it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid |
| 10:16.32 | onno | Guerin: I'm only learning reading but sometimes time prest |
| 10:16.50 | Coke | Guerin: do you think someone can affect the ops decisions? |
| 10:16.52 | Shadur | onno: One of my mother's secretaries had a very neat sticker above her desk. |
| 10:16.54 | onno | Well unstable as in "don't use it" or as in "some small bug might be there" |
| 10:17.00 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/simpsons/ thats how some gif looks like now |
| 10:17.02 | nvz | Coke: programming channels and projects that arent as large as debian, and have alot of 'users' and not just 'developers' hanging around dont say much |
| 10:17.03 | Tom- | I don't understand why anyone would use stable |
| 10:17.05 | Coke | They started a ##python channel which seems to have grown since this madness. |
| 10:17.13 | Shadur | "Lack of planning on your part does not neccessitate urgency on mine" |
| 10:17.20 | nvz | Coke: some of them even like seem to get mad at you for talking around them .. heh |
| 10:17.27 | nvz | they are like trying to study the silence |
| 10:17.28 | v7w | onno, unstable is where debian package maintainer usually upload the lastest packages |
| 10:17.32 | a-atwood_home | unstable is more stable than a RH release after 2 years. |
| 10:17.40 | deadcat | amen |
| 10:17.46 | Guerin | Coke: probably. talk to lilo; he's the authority on such things. I'd expect he'd be loath to meddle in the affairs of individual channels, though. |
| 10:17.50 | a-atwood_home | stable is more stable than RH ever DREAMED of |
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| 10:18.10 | Guerin | Coke: hah, we have a ##debian as well |
| 10:18.13 | Coke | Guerin: then I won't bother. pity. now there's nowhere to have sane Python conversations. |
| 10:18.22 | dli | a-atwood_home: compared with #gentoo ? |
| 10:18.24 | deadcat | a-atwood_home: stable to RH is like "huh?" |
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| 10:18.25 | Coke | Guerin: yes, but that's not on account of the #debian ops being mad. |
| 10:18.29 | a-atwood_home | I run stable on servers, and unstable on desktop/laptops |
| 10:18.46 | Guerin | Coke: no, on account of the debian regulars being arseholes... |
| 10:18.47 | Shadur | onno: It means "could be anything from actually-works-just-fine to blows-up-your-system-and-steals-your-firstborn-if-you-run-it, and we don't give any guarantee about which it'll turn out to be for you" |
| 10:18.59 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: hrm... that's a bit wierd... |
| 10:19.00 | dli | a-atwood: do you run "dpkg --force-???" |
| 10:19.02 | Phated | Coke: And people not being able to deal with said arseholes. |
| 10:19.10 | Coke | that's ok. |
| 10:19.14 | a-atwood_home | unstable is more stable than any other distro out ther except maybe progeny or xandros |
| 10:19.17 | Guerin | present company included :) |
| 10:19.21 | Phated | Of course. |
| 10:19.23 | Coke | someone wants to start a new channel, fine, but destroy an old, working one? |
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| 10:19.29 | Phated | NO, no. |
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| 10:19.42 | Phated | They just want their friendly little place. |
| 10:19.43 | Guerin | a-atwood_home: um, no. progeny and xandros are nothing like as stable as stable debian. |
| 10:20.04 | deadcat | Guerin: he was talking about unstable |
| 10:20.09 | Shadur | Coke: Sure! How are they going to get a decent membership count if the original channel is still operating? :) |
| 10:20.12 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:20.15 | Guerin | so he was |
| 10:20.17 | a-atwood_home | dli: nope. I don't EVER do that unless I don't care about that system. i.e. it is one of my Distro-du-jure boxes. |
| 10:20.26 | Guerin | jour |
| 10:20.27 | Coke | Phated & Guerin: that's good. diversity is good. but #python was a working and good channel. and there seems to be no rationale for this. |
| 10:20.39 | Guerin | though jure could work |
| 10:20.43 | a-atwood_home | Guerin: I meant unstable was more stable than them. 8) |
| 10:20.49 | Phated | Coke: I know not of Python. I was jumping in about ##debian. :) |
| 10:20.52 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: that grey theme you use is all grey. hard to tell which is focus or not. |
| 10:21.19 | deadcat | unstable rocks |
| 10:21.33 | Coke | Ok. Would there be a point in splitting up #debian into two channels called #debian-ren and #debian-stimpy? |
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| 10:21.42 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, it gets a border... |
| 10:21.50 | Guerin | Coke: unlikely |
| 10:22.02 | deadcat | oh ya. that little thing (= |
| 10:22.09 | Phated | Coke: Why don't you check out ##debian for a bit? Apparently they're less arseholes in there than we are. :) |
| 10:22.11 | Guerin | Coke: #debian.en.gb.utf-8 might be useful though |
| 10:22.21 | a-atwood_home | Coke: nah, #debian-moe, #debian-larry, and #debian-shemp |
| 10:22.38 | Coke | According to ##python it's all one mans work, but I don't know. he has always been very rational, IMO. |
| 10:22.43 | onno | I'm now using Mandrake, what can I expect to be diffrent? |
| 10:22.56 | a-atwood_home | onno shit will work |
| 10:22.58 | deadcat | onno: loaded with shits you wont ever use. |
| 10:23.01 | Phated | Coke: There should definitely be a #debian-woody, #debian-sarge, #debian-potato... And so on. |
| 10:23.41 | Coke | Phated: like I said, diversity is not the problem, but try joining #python |
| 10:23.48 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Hideous patent-related misunderstandings? |
| 10:24.00 | Coke | Phated: each of those channels you specified have a specific purpose. |
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| 10:24.11 | Phated | Coke: *shrugs* They do? Oh. OK. :) |
| 10:24.13 | Coke | but what about splitting up #debian into #debian-random1 and #debian-random2. |
| 10:24.18 | dli | onno: where is grub.conf in mandrake? |
| 10:24.23 | onno | I'm involved in the patent fight EU, have something to do with the Belgium vote ;) |
| 10:24.29 | Coke | and let users randomly join one of the two latter when trying to join the first. |
| 10:24.32 | onno | dli its lilo |
| 10:24.34 | Phated | Heck, they wanted a #debian-friendly. :| |
| 10:24.54 | dli | onno: /etc/lilo.conf ? |
| 10:24.58 | onno | yes |
| 10:25.03 | Guerin | Phated: should be two channels: #debian-friendly and #debian-competent |
| 10:25.13 | Phated | Guerin: Oh yes. |
| 10:25.14 | nvz | heh |
| 10:25.17 | Shadur | *snrk* |
| 10:25.21 | dondelelcaro | resiak: no, it links against libungif, which should work fine |
| 10:25.23 | onno | Guerin: yes |
| 10:25.24 | dli | onno: where is "X" in mandrake? |
| 10:25.25 | nvz | you guys are too idealistic |
| 10:25.26 | Coke | Guerin: but that's not what has happened with #python though |
| 10:25.27 | Shadur | Actually, something like that happens on undernet every so often. |
| 10:25.34 | a-atwood_home | onno: seriously, I used to run mandrake and it was ok, I just hated 1) the whole rpm scheme, and 2, putting stuff in all the wrong places. it did work pretty well as instlled |
| 10:25.42 | Phated | It would be such fuss for people like me who alternate between being nice and a bitch. |
| 10:25.47 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Just a thought, but it figures that you'd thought of it already. |
| 10:25.57 | Phated | s/nice/relatively nice/ |
| 10:26.03 | Shadur | Couple of idiots with a cause get annoyed at the low level of idiot tolerance on #linux and decide to create and register their very own "helpful" linux channel. |
| 10:26.08 | dli | a-atwood_home: exactly, rpm sucks, and mandrake hides everything :( |
| 10:26.18 | Phated | resiak: debian-user, I believe. :) |
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| 10:26.25 | Guerin | Shadur: ##linux? |
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| 10:26.46 | nvz | like I said earlier #debian has not only a good developer base, but a hell of a large user community, thats what enables this, and its also why the bad things happen, if we tried to segregate into two categories we wouldnt fit into either |
| 10:26.48 | a-atwood_home | onno: but debian is cleaner and more stable. You want to let debconf control everything. X will not work unless you either take it ALL away from debconf, or let debconf do it all |
| 10:26.49 | onno | Mandrake is very OK in my opinion |
| 10:26.51 | resiak | Phated: No, a thread involving me explaining why we're not all arseholes... |
| 10:26.58 | nvz | s/#debian/debian/ |
| 10:27.02 | Phated | resiak: But we ARE. |
| 10:27.05 | Shadur | So far the longest those spinoffs survive before they start hemorrhaging cluons and competent regulars is about half a year. |
| 10:27.15 | Shadur | Guerin: Well, #linuxhelp, #linuxusers, #linuxnewbie... |
| 10:27.31 | resiak | Phated: Well, only as arseholey as we need to be... |
| 10:27.36 | Guerin | Shadur: heh, right |
| 10:27.36 | Phated | Oh say it ain't so ##debian is dead already? |
| 10:27.38 | dli | onno: never figured out rpm on mandrake or rh |
| 10:27.51 | Guerin | Shadur: I don't go into any of them much because I got warned for swearing in there once |
| 10:27.51 | Phated | resiak: They don't get that, you see. |
| 10:27.55 | resiak | Phated: Join it and see :) |
| 10:27.55 | onno | dli its urpmi and also very easy |
| 10:27.56 | Coke | oh. :) it is bitter anger in ##python, hehe. |
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| 10:28.11 | Phated | resiak: I did /who. Might have been inaccurate. :) |
| 10:28.12 | Shadur | The latter of those three got taken over by script kiddies, one of which made the rather imbecilic mistake of going into #linux, behaving like a complete and utter twit, and then claiming he was a personal friend of the 500. |
| 10:28.14 | Tom- | I was impressed by urpmi |
| 10:28.15 | deadcat | onno: try debian and compare |
| 10:28.22 | onno | That I'm doing |
| 10:28.28 | deadcat | oh |
| 10:28.28 | Guerin | Shadur: the 500? |
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| 10:28.34 | dli | onno: how to search a package in urpmi ? always confusing to me, and available and installed |
| 10:28.52 | Shadur | It was just his bad luck that 1) I'm one of the 499s and 2) know the 500 well enough to know that I could boot the twit out and get away with it even if it was telling the truth. |
| 10:28.53 | _Dom_ | Shadur the 500? |
| 10:28.55 | jm_ | you are pee am i |
| 10:28.56 | onno | simple use grapical interface or urpmq |
| 10:28.59 | a-atwood_home | onno: at the time, v8-9 of mandrake, it worked very well. for a few machines that weren't touched. If you are going to doink with a machine, and use it literally for YEARS, and use it as a learning tool for how linux works, ANY of the debian-based distro's are a lot better. |
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| 10:29.20 | Shadur | Guerin: Channel admin supreme. 500 is the highest X access level you can have to a channel. |
| 10:29.20 | resiak | onno, dli: Doesn't this belong in #mandrake? |
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| 10:29.24 | Guerin | dli, onno: if you want to talk about urpmi (which sounds like onomatopoeia for a certain sex act I don't think I need to name) please do it elsewhere. |
| 10:29.28 | _Dom_ | 500? 499s? |
| 10:29.29 | onno | a-atwood: thats why I'm concidering debian |
| 10:29.30 | Guerin | Shadur: oh, right. |
| 10:29.35 | _Dom_ | ah |
| 10:29.36 | onno | And debian is GNU/linux 100% |
| 10:29.39 | dli | onno: even more confusing to me, urpmq, how to find media sources? google, and paste? |
| 10:29.44 | v7w | a-atwood_home, we have packages alien and rpm in debian, so you are still able to play with rpm packages :) |
| 10:29.57 | deadcat | synaptic aint it? |
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| 10:30.06 | Tom- | I was also impressed by Synaptic |
| 10:30.09 | Guerin | onno: debian is the only distro which is all free software, all the time, with a strong policy document to make it so. |
| 10:30.13 | dli | resiak: indeed, this is a comparison between rpm and apt |
| 10:30.20 | cstim | Hi there. I just installed my first Debian installation (used SuSE for the last years), but when booting, I get a Kernel panic right after the hotplug detection. Any hints how I can proceed with debugging? |
| 10:30.23 | nevyn | onno: except the bits that are BSD/MIT/etc |
| 10:30.27 | deadcat | theres no comparising |
| 10:30.33 | Shadur | anyone above 100 is a chanop; you can't raise someone else's access level higher than one point below your own, and you can't override a ban set by someone with a higher level than you |
| 10:30.36 | onno | Hé even RMS uses Debian |
| 10:30.48 | resiak | Guerin: But if you take out the policy document proviso, Fedora is also Free. |
| 10:30.49 | deadcat | cstim: disable apci maybe? |
| 10:30.50 | nvz | onno: Debian is 100% GNU, most certainly not 100% linux |
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| 10:30.54 | nevyn | nah he uses emacsos. |
| 10:31.03 | Guerin | resiak: so they say; but without the policy, who can know? |
| 10:31.03 | jethro | onno: he uses freebsd actually, at least last time I was able to see his laptop boot |
| 10:31.05 | ml267 | Guerin: hey, remember the guy who had "testing/unstable" in his /etc/debian_version? |
| 10:31.06 | nevyn | it's not 100%gnu |
| 10:31.06 | resiak | Emacs/Hurd or something... |
| 10:31.12 | Guerin | ml267: yeah. |
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| 10:31.17 | sussudio | !hurd resiak |
| 10:31.20 | resiak | Guerin: Yeah, true enough. |
| 10:31.27 | Coke | Guerin: ok ok... seems the rationale was "too much noise" and "too much input". |
| 10:31.27 | onno | freebsd he told me last time he uses debian but would advise Linex |
| 10:31.27 | nvz | nevyn: you calling the non-free card on me here? |
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| 10:31.29 | ml267 | Guerin: I just figured out what the likely cause is. |
| 10:31.33 | nevyn | nvz: no. |
| 10:31.35 | a-atwood_home | onno: aye, he used it for a time, but freaked out because there was a non-free package set |
| 10:31.38 | nevyn | just missappropriateion |
| 10:31.38 | Shadur | So the *source code* is entirely GPL, but the gamedata content is under additional restrictions that probably land it in non-free. |
| 10:31.43 | onno | lol |
| 10:31.48 | Guerin | ml267: that could happen from an old netinstall cd, as could the -12 version of libc6 |
| 10:31.55 | oskie | they released the source for UFO:AI? |
| 10:31.56 | nevyn | GNU is not responcible for all the code in Debian not even most of it. |
| 10:32.01 | cstim | deadcat: as boot option, you mean? Without apci=off, I get a kernel panic related to some agpgart module, but with apci=off, I get a kernel panic with "psmouse". |
| 10:32.02 | bumpyrump | when I go to download Debian, there's a list of 15 ISOs. surely I don't need all of these to install it? how many are optional? |
| 10:32.04 | oskie | Shadur: they released the source for UFO:AI? |
| 10:32.09 | nevyn | MIT code is not GNU BSD code is not GNU |
| 10:32.14 | ml267 | Guerin: the current released version of Ubuntu installs to that version. |
| 10:32.16 | resiak | !tell bumpyrump about d-i |
| 10:32.18 | nevyn | they're DFSG free but not GNU |
| 10:32.19 | Shadur | oskie: According to the latest license, they either did or intend to. |
| 10:32.22 | deadcat | cstim: damn. thats some fucked up hardwares. (= |
| 10:32.26 | Guerin | ml267: is that right... |
| 10:32.33 | _Dom_ | bumpyrump its to do with your system |
| 10:32.35 | oskie | Shadur: where is it? |
| 10:32.41 | a-atwood_home | bumpyrump: 1 is all you need |
| 10:32.42 | deadcat | 2:32am and i am seeing things... |
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| 10:32.48 | ml267 | Guerin: and the first big batch of Ubuntu CD's have been arriving in people's mailboxes |
| 10:32.49 | a-atwood_home | bumpyrump: ususally |
| 10:33.14 | Shadur | http://n.ethz.ch/student/dbeyeler/download/source.html apparently |
| 10:33.16 | deadcat | http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/misc/2005.mac.world.badge.jpg |
| 10:33.18 | nvz | nevyn: right well what I meant to do was correct him with 100% Free from the Social Contract |
| 10:33.46 | a-atwood_home | bumpyrump: usually you can get away with the minimum CD, and just do a network install to get the rest |
| 10:34.10 | _Dom_ | ml267 as vp of my student union i ordered loads of cds for the students |
| 10:34.37 | ml267 | Guerin: i just tried installing it on a test machine. it's pretty faithful to debian proper, except it keeps its own set of packages versions for its release. |
| 10:34.39 | bumpyrump | k, thanks |
| 10:34.44 | oskie | Shadur: i haven't tried it, is it a turnbased strategy game just like the original UFO series? |
| 10:34.51 | oskie | or X-com or whatever :) |
| 10:34.52 | Shadur | oskie: Yep. |
| 10:35.09 | Guerin | ml267: yeah. |
| 10:35.10 | nvz | I was mainly trying to point out that debian is not linux dependant and vice-versa, which I think I accomplished anyhow :/ |
| 10:35.49 | Shadur | So far all they've got working is the tactical combat map, apparently. It looks majorly spiff, though. Can't wait until they get the strategic component as well |
| 10:35.58 | ml267 | _Dom_: cool. they look pretty. (compared to my home brewed debian images, heh) |
| 10:36.04 | oskie | Shadur: hm. based on Quake2 source code? |
| 10:36.08 | Shadur | Yeah. |
| 10:36.14 | Shadur | The graphics look very nice. |
| 10:36.31 | oskie | Shadur: then they'd better be GPL all way |
| 10:36.42 | Shadur | oskie: The game source code is entirely GPL. |
| 10:36.53 | oskie | Shadur: nice.. what about the media files? |
| 10:37.08 | Coke | oskie: not |
| 10:37.09 | v7w | nvz, that's right, see the non-linux ports at the end of http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
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| 10:37.23 | oskie | always the same story... |
| 10:37.24 | Coke | oskie: but there's a shareware media pack and I think some free ones too. |
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| 10:37.31 | Shadur | oskie: Lemme reread the license. Something along the lines of "free for noncommercial use, contact us if you're going to sell" |
| 10:37.49 | Coke | Shadur: was that from the source code or the media? |
| 10:38.08 | nvz | v7w: yeah I seen all kinds of stuff on the lists.debian.org.. seems someone even setup a debian-win32 mailing list.. just imagine this group of idividuals, and their purpose.. heh |
| 10:38.12 | Shadur | Coke: media. One sec. |
| 10:38.21 | _Dom_ | i even e-mailed them to ask what the maximum was for an order and the woman who replyed said that she had tagged my order and added a few more |
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| 10:38.33 | nevyn | nvz: that'd be cool debian colinux |
| 10:38.36 | Shadur | tar: ufo/base/models/civilians/female/body02b.jpg: time stamp 2011-05-30 14:47:00 is 202356418 s in the future |
| 10:38.39 | Shadur | ... Erm. |
| 10:38.51 | cstim | Does anyone know a kernel boot option to skip the setup for the "psmouse" module? |
| 10:38.53 | Shadur | The source code of this program is available at http://ufoai.net, under the terms of the GPL ( http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html ) meaning you can edit it to your liking, but the result has to be subject of the GPL as well. |
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| 10:39.33 | Shadur | I'll take the rest to #flood or you can grab the tarball and read license(readable).txt for yourself |
| 10:39.44 | nvz | those mailing lists are cool lots of really specific information floating around |
| 10:39.56 | oskie | the best thing about UFO was researching for alien stuff :) |
| 10:40.07 | GNUdeNoob | how do i make the prompt in a terminal a different colour? |
| 10:40.31 | deadcat | \033[33;1mhello |
| 10:40.32 | Guerin | GNUdeNoob: google bash prompt howto tldp |
| 10:41.12 | hettar_ | hettar |
| 10:41.17 | hettar_ | doh |
| 10:41.27 | deadcat | ah. thats your passwd. (= |
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| 10:41.51 | GNUdeNoob | tnx Guerin |
| 10:41.57 | sobersabre | net problem. gigabit NIC on 100Mb network. i get Tcp timeouts |
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| 10:42.09 | sobersabre | pings are not stable |
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| 10:42.15 | v7w | How do I know what's the latest package installed? |
| 10:42.25 | cahoot | cstim: look in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 10:42.31 | deadcat | v7w: dpkg -l |
| 10:42.33 | kings-penguin | guten Tag |
| 10:42.40 | sobersabre | i get longer pings to ping same switch connected box, than to ping a box on another switch |
| 10:42.40 | dli | v7w: dpkg -s |
| 10:42.51 | nvz | kings-penguin: what kind of tag? |
| 10:42.51 | sobersabre | cable seems OK, it is new. |
| 10:42.52 | nvz | heh |
| 10:42.55 | sobersabre | any ideas ? |
| 10:42.58 | Tom- | sobersabre: bad network card? |
| 10:43.20 | sobersabre | nvz, Guten Tag is "Good Day" in german... FYI |
| 10:43.23 | dli | sobersabre: or motherboard problem |
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| 10:43.34 | sobersabre | Tom-, i doubt it, but how can i test it ? |
| 10:43.36 | kings-penguin | nvz: Sorry ist english, i thing ist germen |
| 10:43.38 | nvz | sobersabre: I may be a little ignorant sometimes but I am not stupid :P |
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| 10:43.46 | Tom- | Sobersabre: Try another card? :-) |
| 10:44.12 | v7w | deadcat and dli, I don't think so. |
| 10:44.13 | kings-penguin | Good by |
| 10:44.19 | sobersabre | kings-penguin, ze germans, muess polite sein, vie alle. |
| 10:44.29 | sobersabre | i mean, wie alle |
| 10:44.40 | nvz | dpkg, well, german? |
| 10:44.40 | dpkg | i guess german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 10:44.50 | oskie | Shadur: did you try the game, ufoai? is it playable? enjoyable? |
| 10:44.53 | sobersabre | ja, |
| 10:44.53 | kings-penguin | Danke |
| 10:44.58 | Shadur | oskie: Yes and yes. |
| 10:45.09 | oskie | Shadur: nice! i should try it.. |
| 10:45.39 | Shadur | the xmas edition is a sequence of five tac missions. I've only done the first two. |
| 10:45.40 | sobersabre | well, how can i test if it is the NIC or the MoBo ? |
| 10:45.57 | sobersabre | Tom-, impossible to try another card. |
| 10:46.04 | sobersabre | it is builtin. |
| 10:46.10 | dli | sobersabre: insert another |
| 10:46.24 | sobersabre | hmmm... i don't have another gigabit NIC.... |
| 10:46.33 | dli | sobersabre: insert another 10/100 |
| 10:46.41 | Tom- | you said it was a 100 Mbit network |
| 10:46.48 | Shadur | It's still missing some features - for example, no attacks of opportunity yet, so no point in reserving movement points - and your soldiers, especially the first mission they go on, tend to panic a bit fast and a bit long. |
| 10:46.53 | sobersabre | Tom-, yes, and it is a giabit card. |
| 10:47.06 | Tom- | is the card capable of 100 MBit? |
| 10:47.28 | dli | Tom-: I think all 1000 can do 100 |
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| 10:47.33 | sobersabre | if i get TcpTimeouts ... it must work somehow ;) |
| 10:47.55 | Tom- | if some pings come back then something's working |
| 10:48.02 | Tom- | maybe you need to put the card in 100 BaseT mode |
| 10:48.21 | sobersabre | do i give it media=100BaseT in ifconfig ? |
| 10:48.33 | Tom- | I dunno myself |
| 10:48.36 | sobersabre | heh |
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| 10:48.59 | valdyn_ | sobersabre: it is probably possible that electromagnet interference is hitting you ( though i dont know how likely that is w/ 100mbit ethernet ) |
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| 10:49.39 | Active2 | someone in here who used mozilla thunderbird ? |
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| 10:50.03 | Active2 | i can't find the option to "search for new mail in all folders" or something like that |
| 10:50.09 | sobersabre | valdyn_, this is not possible that 2 computers very close to each other are not influenced by EM interference |
| 10:50.26 | roby | hello ,i have this problem "Gdk-ERROR **: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)" |
| 10:50.33 | sobersabre | Active2, is it pop or imap ? |
| 10:50.43 | roby | can you help me? |
| 10:51.30 | Active2 | sobersabre: imap |
| 10:51.53 | nvz | and out in the other room I got my 21" NEC and a 23" Philips TV |
| 10:52.11 | nvz | put two screens together like that and you can really talk about some EMI |
| 10:52.41 | Guerin | nvz: don't make me show you the pic of the 16-screen flight sim rig... |
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| 10:52.59 | nvz | Guerin: in the cockpit of the plane of course? |
| 10:53.03 | Slaughter | hi |
| 10:53.09 | Guerin | nvz: no, on someone's desk |
| 10:53.22 | GNUdeNoob | tnx Guerin, now i have a distinctive yellow prompt ... |
| 10:53.23 | nvz | ah I seen someone running an actual 747 |
| 10:53.26 | nvz | online before |
| 10:53.38 | sobersabre | Active2, u can see which folders you are subscribed to, you can as well create filter to put all "new" messages into some special folder ... like Inbox in Local Folders. |
| 10:53.45 | nvz | they had like a ton of pcs hoked up to the front end of a 747 they had |
| 10:53.50 | Slaughter | how can up my board of route when i put up my interfaz? |
| 10:54.12 | sobersabre | guys, how can i make console use white instead of grey text color ? |
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| 10:54.16 | nvz | I also seen a guy who had his pc hooked to a tesla coil, but I dont really buy it was actually tesla powered |
| 10:54.38 | nvz | if it was, the guy is either one hell of an electrician or a moron.. |
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| 10:54.50 | drfranz | i am trying to join #asterisk on irc.freenode.net and it says "you need to be idenitifed to join that channel how can i get idenified |
| 10:55.27 | MobyTurbo | drfranz: /msg NickServ help |
| 10:55.28 | cafuego | drfranz: /msg nickserv help |
| 10:55.29 | Guerin | drfranz: /msg nickserv help |
| 10:55.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:55.34 | cafuego | heh |
| 10:55.38 | MobyTurbo | GMTA |
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| 10:55.42 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: BOO! |
| 10:55.45 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.55 | MobyTurbo | BOO? |
| 10:55.58 | roby | hello |
| 10:56.37 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: You should have said 'heh' |
| 10:56.42 | drfranz | thanks! |
| 10:56.51 | sobersabre | drfranz, you need to register on the chan /freenode. |
| 10:56.51 | nvz | woah, that shook the house |
| 10:57.00 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: bummer. :-) |
| 10:57.05 | nvz | damn tornados |
| 10:57.33 | Guerin | so, can some american please tell me why your entire nation is obsessed with Jeopardy? |
| 10:57.43 | cafuego | Guerin: it's |
| 10:57.44 | MobyTurbo | sobersabre: registering on the nickser has nothing to do with #freenode |
| 10:57.46 | Defenestrator | we are? news to me |
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| 10:57.50 | MobyTurbo | nickserv* |
| 10:57.50 | cafuego | Guerin: it's, like, better then fox news? |
| 10:57.52 | nvz | jeopardy? |
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| 10:58.05 | sobersabre | MobyTurbo, i said chan/serv |
| 10:58.08 | sobersabre | :) |
| 10:58.09 | a-atwood_home | Guerin: don't know about obsessed, but I do like it. 8) |
| 10:58.14 | nvz | Guerin: what is the basis of this random question? |
| 10:58.17 | Guerin | cafuego: the dot is better than faux news |
| 10:58.17 | cafuego | !fox news is Ask me about fortune cookies. |
| 10:58.17 | dpkg | okay, cafuego |
| 10:58.18 | Shadur | cafuego: A cheap shot of brandy is better than fox news. |
| 10:58.24 | GNUdeNoob | after you register a nick do you have to /msg Nickserv IDENTIFY <password> every time you connect? |
| 10:58.24 | Guerin | nvz: slashdot |
| 10:58.25 | MobyTurbo | sobersabre: you can register with no channel at all |
| 10:58.34 | J_P | people, I install sarge with default kernel 2.4.27-i386, and I am try recompile kernel-source-2.4.27, but i have this error in boot : |
| 10:58.34 | J_P | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.34 | J_P | Kernel panick, VFS, cannot mount root fs. |
| 10:58.38 | Guerin | GNUdeNoob: unless you automate it somehow, yes |
| 10:58.40 | valdyn__ | Active2: (reconnected) virtual servers can filter by status:new |
| 10:58.41 | MobyTurbo | GNUdeNoob: right, but many IRC clients can automate that. |
| 10:58.42 | Defenestrator | Faux news |
| 10:58.46 | nvz | Guerin: its a slahdot post? |
| 10:58.46 | cafuego | Guerin/Shador: both of those ALSO contain less yelling. |
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| 10:58.48 | J_P | But in kernel i set reiserfs filesystem as [*], kernel automouter too as [*] and my ide bridge is one VIA82CXX too as [*] |
| 10:58.52 | J_P | Anyone idea ? |
| 10:58.55 | sobersabre | MobyTurbo, "/" means || in C or "LOGICAL OR" in boolean, right ? |
| 10:59.04 | nvz | slashdot is so stupid :P its worse than jeopardy |
| 10:59.07 | chipi | hi |
| 10:59.22 | valdyn__ | Active2: s/servers/folders/ |
| 10:59.23 | GNUdeNoob | i put it in a script or something like that do i? |
| 10:59.31 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:59.41 | sobersabre | J_P, u have built the kernel badly: either u didn't build initrd image |
| 10:59.48 | Guerin | !u |
| 10:59.48 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you'. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:59.56 | MobyTurbo | sobersabre: going to #freenode and asking them to register you on nickserv when it can be done with a simple command is liable to get you flamed, not registered. |
| 10:59.58 | cafuego | hairy_potter: Does that support imap? |
| 11:00.01 | Guerin | J_P: there's clearly something else you've missed out |
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| 11:00.05 | GNUdeNoob | depending on my client |
| 11:00.13 | sobersabre | or you have not built int the support for your disk controller, so the kernel cannot talk to the disk |
| 11:00.37 | cafuego | J_P: Did you also say "*' to "IDE Disk Support / |
| 11:00.46 | sobersabre | sometimes this happens when you don't select PCBIOS partition support in partition types |
| 11:00.53 | |XO| | anyone know of a router which i can go into detail to what ports each ip can use and what sites can each ip goto...i dont want global settings..i want something i can set on each ip? |
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| 11:00.59 | J_P | cafuego: yeh!! |
| 11:01.16 | Active2 | valdyn__: ok i'll check |
| 11:01.19 | J_P | sobersabre: i need create manuaaly initrd image / |
| 11:01.21 | J_P | ? |
| 11:01.23 | valdyn__ | J_P: whats your mainboard please, how many ide / sata controllers does it have? |
| 11:01.24 | sobersabre | MobyTurbo, i don't give a fsck to get flamed. it doesn't disturb me. go on and flame me. |
| 11:01.44 | sobersabre | J_P, if you have SCSI/SATA disk you usually do. |
| 11:01.48 | MobyTurbo | sobersabre: I didn't say *I* would flame you |
| 11:02.03 | J_P | vc1:/usr/src/linux# lspci | grep IDE |
| 11:02.03 | J_P | 0000:00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 11:02.04 | nvz | no seriously, if you were watching JEOPARDY, and the answer for "WWW for $100" was "its so stupid, its worse than jeopardy", the answer would be "What is h t t p colon slash slash slash dot dot com" |
| 11:02.07 | sobersabre | MobyTurbo, let's talk about something more interesting... |
| 11:02.29 | valdyn__ | J_P: oh and off which device are you trying to boot |
| 11:02.45 | sobersabre | J_P, this means you don't have neither SATA nor SCSI, so you need to uncheck "RAM disk support" in the configuration |
| 11:03.07 | sobersabre | sobersabre, can u boot with other kernel ? |
| 11:03.12 | nvz | s/answer would/question would/ |
| 11:03.32 | J_P | sobersabre: hummm |
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| 11:03.46 | Guerin | nvz: you're just begging to be qotd'ed |
| 11:03.47 | sobersabre | J_P, yes, or no ? |
| 11:03.56 | nvz | heh oh well |
| 11:04.06 | J_P | sobersabre: i dont have sata.. is one simple IDE |
| 11:04.07 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 11:04.07 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you'. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:04.17 | nvz | I've been listening to the same 6 songs for hours and havent really noticed |
| 11:04.24 | nvz | though its not up very loud |
| 11:04.28 | nvz | just used it to calm the kid |
| 11:04.31 | cafuego | sobersabre: As long as you tell the kernel what the root disk is, it won't give a toss what else is enabled besides plain support for controller/disk/fs |
| 11:04.31 | drfranz | Anyone in here use asterisk PXB |
| 11:04.33 | drfranz | PBX |
| 11:04.41 | Active2 | valdyn__: if i have to do that for all my folders.. i have lots of work |
| 11:04.50 | cafuego | !anyone |
| 11:04.50 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 11:05.15 | J_P | sobersabre: my kernel have this : <*> RAM disk support |
| 11:05.18 | valdyn__ | Active2: you can create _one_ virtue folder which filters messages out of _all_ folders or as many as you choose |
| 11:05.27 | J_P | sobersabre: i need go to : < > RAM disk support ? |
| 11:05.35 | J_P | sobersabre: uncheck right ? |
| 11:05.38 | sobersabre | yep |
| 11:05.47 | cafuego | J_P: It's irrelevant. |
| 11:05.54 | J_P | sobersabre: thanks... <*> RAM disk support is only to sata ? |
| 11:06.02 | cafuego | Enabling ram disk support doesn't make your kenrel not boot from HD. |
| 11:06.13 | nvz | well its more than 6, but I know I heard "I'm not sleeping anymore" and "Up All Night" quite a few times in the last hour |
| 11:06.16 | Active2 | valdyn__: i do serverside filtering... |
| 11:06.29 | Shadur | Heck, enabling initrd support doesn't make your kernel not boot from HD. |
| 11:06.33 | valdyn__ | J_P: thats ok, you can still do that, i do it, so you can |
| 11:06.37 | jethro | how can I have rdesktop not randomly change my keymap while I on session with a windows terminal server? |
| 11:06.38 | J_P | sobersabre: this is my problem ? |
| 11:06.48 | valdyn__ | J_P: oh sorry |
| 11:06.53 | cafuego | Heck, having sata or scsi doesn't mean you need an initrd kernel |
| 11:06.54 | sobersabre | make sure, your disk is supported: IDE etc. |
| 11:06.56 | valdyn__ | Active2: thats ok, you can still do that, i do it, so you can |
| 11:07.04 | Active2 | :) |
| 11:07.25 | valdyn__ | Active2: virtual folders can track local folders or remote folders |
| 11:07.41 | nvz | I suppose its just called I'm Not Sleeping |
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| 11:08.13 | nvz | I never bought Recovering the Satellites, I just have it on this live cd I bought |
| 11:08.19 | bordgab_ | sziasztok |
| 11:08.26 | valdyn__ | J_P: you still haven't told me what mainboard you have ) |
| 11:08.27 | cafuego | !stevienickssmite nvz |
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| 11:09.37 | nvz | heh I wonder |
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| 11:10.33 | nvz | dpkg, do stevienickssmite nvz |
| 11:10.42 | nvz | me too |
| 11:10.53 | GNUdeNoob | is mplayer the same as Mplayer? |
| 11:11.04 | cafuego | GNUdeNoob: No. |
| 11:11.13 | cafuego | GNUdeNoob: Linux is case sensitive. |
| 11:11.24 | cafuego | GNUdeNoob: Porbably the first is an application and the second a typo. |
| 11:11.41 | peterS | !cmd: do (.*?) =~ s/why it should/why (he|she) should/ |
| 11:11.55 | nvz | peterS: gawd, that was bugging you too? |
| 11:12.15 | peterS | nvz: heh. just trying to create a bit of confusion as dpkg refers to itself with a random gender |
| 11:12.16 | dli | cafuego: we don't have case in Chinese |
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| 11:12.38 | GNUdeNoob | while looking at man mplayer, sometimes it calls it mplayer and sometimes Mplayer |
| 11:12.44 | cafuego | dli: 'M' is not a chinese character |
| 11:13.00 | peterS | maybe it is really mPlayer |
| 11:13.01 | dli | cafuego: but you said Linux is case sensitive :) |
| 11:13.08 | Guerin | GNUdeNoob: with several annoying exceptions, all package and binary names are in lowercase |
| 11:13.23 | dli | GNUdeNoob: I believe mplayerhq.hu call it MPlayer |
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| 11:13.36 | valdyn__ | GNUdeNoob: that means that the manpage author is dyslexic |
| 11:13.37 | nvz | peterS: yeah, *recalls Phated* its people like you * who make people thing the bots are real people =P |
| 11:13.39 | peterS | Guerin: Mosaic was the last package name to use an uppercase letter, I believe |
| 11:13.42 | MobyTurbo | the mplayer binary is all lowers |
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| 11:13.44 | GNUdeNoob | maybe its just when it is the first word of a sentence |
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| 11:13.48 | cafuego | !do peterS |
| 11:13.49 | peterS | nvz: ha |
| 11:13.49 | nvz | s/thing/think/ |
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| 11:14.02 | Phated | peterS: Yes, you bloody Turing schemers. |
| 11:14.04 | MobyTurbo | peterS: BitchX uses uppers too, yet another thing annoying about it. |
| 11:14.10 | Guerin | peterS: there are still a few binaries, though. Eterm and giFTcurs being those wich spring to mind |
| 11:14.13 | peterS | MobyTurbo: not the package name. the binary might. |
| 11:14.22 | peterS | Guerin: and SVGATextMode |
| 11:14.27 | MobyTurbo | peterS: right, the binary |
| 11:14.33 | cafuego | and XFree86 |
| 11:14.40 | GNUdeNoob | did you hear about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac? |
| 11:14.40 | peterS | yeah |
| 11:14.46 | peterS | GNUdeNoob: yes |
| 11:14.48 | cafuego | All shit software has capotals |
| 11:14.50 | cafuego | s/o/i/ |
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| 11:14.58 | cafuego | GNU |
| 11:14.59 | Phated | GNU? :) |
| 11:15.00 | GNUdeNoob | he lies awake all night wondering whether there really is a Dog |
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| 11:15.07 | neeko | cafuego: Linux is shit? |
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| 11:15.15 | cafuego | neeko: Yeah, linux is much better. |
| 11:15.20 | peterS | cafuego: better that, speaking of XFree86, than software named after a domain name |
| 11:15.50 | cafuego | peterS: I prefer xxx.org over x.org but I don't get a lot of work done these days ;-) |
| 11:15.55 | dli | peterS: peters is better |
| 11:16.08 | peterS | dli: if you ever package me, feel free to make that change |
| 11:16.09 | Phated | Except that it makes him look like a schizo. |
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| 11:16.20 | peterS | at least we aren't in rpm-land, where package names commonly have uppercase letters |
| 11:16.23 | bris | salut all |
| 11:16.45 | cafuego | peterS: And libraries have fucked up sonames |
| 11:16.54 | peterS | dli: but I, as upstream peterS maintainer, like to use the capital S |
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| 11:17.19 | jahi | ich sach dir |
| 11:17.28 | cafuego | jahi: 'sag' |
| 11:17.34 | nvz | cafuego: "All shit siftware has capotals"? |
| 11:17.38 | jahi | oops sry wrong window |
| 11:17.38 | cafuego | !germansmite jahi |
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| 11:18.01 | Phated | nvz: "All shot siftware has capotals" you mean. :) |
| 11:18.30 | nvz | Phated: I'll take your word for it.. I've not had much sleep |
| 11:18.33 | peterS | vowel shifts. they used to only happen every few hundred years. |
| 11:18.46 | Phated | cafuego: I'm supposed to react here, give me a cue, man. |
| 11:18.55 | cafuego | peterS: And now they're only a compiled flex file away... |
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| 11:19.02 | peterS | cafuego: hehe |
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| 11:19.30 | nvz | Phated: I am surprised my conconcious-land processes even caught that ParseError signal at all |
| 11:19.47 | Phated | nvz: Sleep. n |
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| 11:20.29 | nvz | Phated: the kid is on my bed and I am not really that tired(tm) I slept from like 8pm when she went to bed until like midnight |
| 11:20.41 | J_P | valdyn__: is one soyo |
| 11:20.44 | Phated | nvz: Ahhh. |
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| 11:21.06 | J_P | valdyn__: soyo p4vgm |
| 11:21.22 | peterS | nvz: how old is this vaguely related person? |
| 11:21.43 | nvz | peterS: heh which vaguely related person? |
| 11:21.54 | peterS | nvz: the one in your bed |
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| 11:22.29 | nvz | peterS: ah, shes 5. shes not really on my bed, shes just laying on the couch were I was sleeping at/ |
| 11:22.37 | peterS | ahhh. bed, couch, whatever |
| 11:22.40 | nothos | damn that french absynth stuff has a kick |
| 11:22.47 | peterS | 5 sounds like about what I was imagining |
| 11:23.23 | nvz | I imagine she will be waking up anytime now.. sure showing sings of it |
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| 11:23.41 | GNUdeNoob | anyone using IceWM know how to autohide the taskbar? |
| 11:23.48 | Jeo | my apache2 did not recognize the mod rewrite |
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| 11:24.21 | Jeo | it is in the load but when i check apache2 -l the mod_ is not there |
| 11:24.37 | Jeo | how can I put the mod_rewrite on? |
| 11:24.49 | Piglet | I'm having problems getting sound working on debian unstable, using a onboard VIA (VT82C686 AC97) audio controller. I've modprobed via82cxxx_audio, however lsmod shows it as '(unused)', i imagine i've missed something fairly simple yet important, but cant work out what it is.. Any ideas? |
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| 11:25.08 | Piggy | o_o |
| 11:25.08 | peterS | Jeo: something related to 'apache-modconf apache2', I think |
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| 11:25.22 | Jeo | i will check |
| 11:25.37 | peterS | Piglet: do you have any ALSA modules loaded? those are the ones that start with "snd_" |
| 11:25.42 | peterS | Piglet: if so, they could be interfering |
| 11:25.58 | nvz | last I heard daddy is 'sick' somewhere heh, whatever that means. I dont figure she's going to school today, cause he's not here to take her, and I cant take her on the damn motorcycle :P |
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| 11:26.25 | Guerin | nvz: I didn't realise you were a nanny |
| 11:26.28 | peterS | nvz: you can't? |
| 11:26.32 | _Dom_ | ooooo this could be my first linux installation without an error :) |
| 11:26.32 | nvz | Guerin: me either really |
| 11:26.40 | Piglet | peterS: no i dont, all i have apart from the ones modprobing via82cxxx_audio added I only have 8139too (and mii) for networking |
| 11:26.48 | Phated | _Dom_: Don't jinx it. |
| 11:26.50 | nvz | s*ht happens |
| 11:26.54 | _Dom_ | lol |
| 11:27.09 | _Dom_ | its taking about 2 hours to install x |
| 11:27.09 | _Dom_ | lol |
| 11:27.13 | peterS | Piglet: type "dmesg | tail -20" - that'll show the last 20 lines of your kernel log. does via82cxxx_audio have anything to say in there? |
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| 11:27.52 | dli | Piglet I have both, via82c audio and 8139 nic |
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| 11:28.56 | valdyn__ | J_P: alright, thats not mine, so i cant tell (yet) if it is the same error. Do you have a sata interface on that board? |
| 11:29.03 | Piglet | peterS: it does, but as far as i can tell it's just 'general' messages, no errors |
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| 11:29.17 | peterS | Piglet: but it mentions finding your chip and so forth? |
| 11:29.48 | nvz | peterS: no I dont think putting a kid on a motorcycle is a good idea. Realistically you would probably have more trouble getting me on one than her I am sure |
| 11:29.58 | nvz | damn |
| 11:30.13 | peterS | nvz: well, there is that. you don't have any other practical way to get around? |
| 11:30.14 | valdyn__ | J_P: lspci | grep -i ata |
| 11:30.16 | nvz | I need to take it easy on the keyboard.. making it look bad |
| 11:30.21 | Piglet | peterS: indeed, things like "via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xB800, IRQ 5" |
| 11:30.39 | husein | what does system mount over /proc ???? |
| 11:30.45 | peterS | Piglet: then I am guessing your problem is permissions-related. make sure your user is in the 'audio' group: 'adduser yourusername audio' as root |
| 11:30.49 | _Dom_ | unpacking....unpacking... argh when will it end! |
| 11:30.53 | peterS | Piglet: (after doing so, log out and back in as your user) |
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| 11:31.00 | kendrick2 | WOAH |
| 11:31.22 | kendrick2 | okay, i just did an apt-get upgrade on my wife's Debian Testing laptop, and now ethernet's dead! |
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| 11:31.36 | Jeo | peterS: the last command about apache-conf doesn't work with apache2, i guess |
| 11:31.38 | Piglet | peterS: okay, i'll give that a go.. thanks |
| 11:31.42 | nvz | peterS: we got 4 vehicles.. two cars a suburban and a motorcycle. the two cars are gone, and the suburban needs inspected as soon as we get it back, from the person who barrowed it :p |
| 11:31.42 | Jeo | at least not here |
| 11:31.58 | sil-i | hi all, I'm having a problem with apache (mod_perl) it was working fine but I updated to php4 from dotdeb and some mysql libs also from there, now the apache process has an intermittant crash (apache log): [Thu Dec 30 06:25:19 2004] [notice] child pid 299 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 11:32.00 | peterS | kendrick2: you'll have to give some more specifics. like what sort of ethernet chip the laptop has |
| 11:32.02 | Jeo | or I did not install something |
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| 11:32.10 | kendrick2 | peterS - getting to that, sorry ;) |
| 11:32.22 | husein | what does system mount over /proc ???? |
| 11:32.31 | dondelelcaro | husein: proc |
| 11:32.35 | peterS | Jeo: I think apache-modconf is used by all the various apaches. you may have to RTFM on how to make it enable a specific module |
| 11:32.37 | kendrick2 | It's an IBM ThinkPad T20, 2.4.27 kernel, and 3c59x module seems broken |
| 11:32.39 | Jeo | the mod_rewrite is not installed yet |
| 11:32.50 | husein | dondelelcaro: ??? |
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| 11:33.09 | dondelelcaro | husein: proc is mounted at /proc. And please stop overusing your punctuation. |
| 11:33.10 | nvz | peterS: shes only in preschool, other than the fact she's not going to shut up all day and aggrivate my uncle I dont see what the problem is, she already woke me up hours ago. |
| 11:33.11 | zerge | husein, information about the system |
| 11:33.15 | mr-ozguy | hi everyone |
| 11:33.29 | Jeo | 77 /usr/sbin/apache-modconf apache|apache-perl|apache-ssl [enable <module_name>] |
| 11:33.29 | kendrick2 | I'm getting lines like: command 0x5800 did not complete! Status=0xffff |
| 11:33.30 | peterS | nvz: ah, if it's just preschool, I guess staying home is as good as anything |
| 11:33.34 | J_P | valdyn__: vc1:/usr/src/linux# lspci | grep -i ata |
| 11:33.34 | J_P | vc1:/usr/src/linux# |
| 11:33.46 | Piglet | peterS: aha, it works. Much thanks for the help :) |
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| 11:33.50 | peterS | kendrick2: if you install a new kernel package on top of an old one, with the same version string, and then try to load modules without first rebooting, that'll cause problems |
| 11:33.50 | Jeo | the usage here prints this message |
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| 11:33.55 | mr-ozguy | i was wondering if anyone here uses gnome and is having probs with it locking the machine |
| 11:33.55 | peterS | Piglet: cool, no problem |
| 11:33.59 | kendrick2 | i just rebooted :) |
| 11:34.01 | Jeo | : /usr/sbin/apache-modconf apache|apache-perl|apache-ssl [enable <module_name>] |
| 11:34.06 | husein | zerge: can system boot if i comment proc line on /etc/fstab?? |
| 11:34.06 | kendrick2 | that's when eth0 stopped |
| 11:34.06 | raz_ | sry for spam join... does anyone can tell me ow to set more than 1 autojoin chann in the xchatserverbox ? thx :) just the syntax |
| 11:34.14 | Jeo | apache2 is not there |
| 11:34.28 | peterS | Jeo: ehh. maybe it doesn't support apache2 after all. in which case I can't help you as I don't have apache2 installed to check on stuff |
| 11:34.37 | kneet | Server (woody) got hacked today - first time in 4 yrs :-( - seems to be psyBNC, r0nin and zbind - running as web server user - anyone else been hit? - wondering what route in they've taken |
| 11:34.43 | Jeo | ok, no pro |
| 11:35.15 | nvz | all I need to do is strech out a little, I am good to go.. dont expect me to have this attitude at like 6pm, but who knows anything is possible |
| 11:35.17 | Jeo | weird, because the mod_rewrite.load is there |
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| 11:35.44 | peterS | nvz: hehe. best o' luck |
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| 11:36.37 | dli | kneet: how to check ? |
| 11:36.57 | _Dom_ | ok i have installed x..... how do i load it :) |
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| 11:37.18 | kneet | netsaint reported that stuff was dying. zbind on port 7000 - psyBNC on port 80. Lots of files in /var/tmp - including and ftpd :-( |
| 11:37.27 | zerge | husein why do you want to comment it in fstab? It is there because it is needed |
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| 11:37.34 | kendrick2 | so, uh... how do i debug this? :) |
| 11:38.03 | wombachi | how can I build a '-686' deb from a kernel-source deb? Is there a way to do it? |
| 11:38.13 | dli | kneet: not hiden files in /tmp ? I once got /tmp/... |
| 11:38.18 | peterS | wombachi: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 11:38.32 | dli | wombachi: kernel-package |
| 11:39.25 | sil-i | hi all, I'm having a problem with apache (mod_perl) it was working fine but I updated to php4 from dotdeb and some mysql libs also from there, now the apache process has an intermittant crash (apache log): [Thu Dec 30 06:25:19 2004] [notice] child pid 299 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) - thanks! |
| 11:39.42 | kneet | Hmm - /tmp/.temp22 - lots of traffic.html.nn files with html and some binary stuff in them |
| 11:39.45 | wombachi | peterS, dli thanks, I knew about kernel-package, but... |
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| 11:40.36 | dli | kneet: can chkrootkit find it? |
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| 11:40.47 | nvz | peterS: so much for the luck, the worst that could happen is I would break something "streching", and that already happened |
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| 11:41.42 | kneet | No - nothing found/infected |
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| 11:42.29 | dli | kneet: checking now :) |
| 11:42.31 | wombachi | I guess the .config file for -686 -k7 etc are only included in the corresp kernel-image deb, not in kernel-source? |
| 11:42.43 | Shadur | wombachi: Bingo |
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| 11:43.00 | Shadur | Especially since they're all built from the same kernel-source |
| 11:43.14 | kneet | It's probably got in thru apache or php - since only apache and under processes run as www-data. These are the stable + security versions - and they're kept up to date regularly |
| 11:43.23 | nz17 | I get an X error about the nVidia driver not loading the GLX extention. What are some possible causes? |
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| 11:43.27 | husein | i am in a trouble. I am running a script to install server cluster. I thing it is trying to mount in /var/lib/systemimager/images/oscarimage/proc proc rw 0 0 |
| 11:43.27 | husein | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:43.28 | Kzimm | hi |
| 11:43.32 | valdyn__ | J_P: ok, i was suspecting that you had your ide interfaces reversed, but since you only have one thats not possible, only 2 reasons left i see are that you're trying to mount the wrong root fs or that you're missing ide chipset or reiserfs driver compiled in. Some of this you can verify visually when watching your kernels messages scroll by while booting |
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| 11:43.45 | wombachi | Shadur thanks, I should sleep much more I guess |
| 11:44.10 | Kzimm | anyone know about bind9 + dyndns |
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| 11:44.52 | Gh0sty | Hello |
| 11:44.52 | dli | kneet: which netstat command to see zbind? |
| 11:45.06 | kneet | netstat -lnp |
| 11:45.11 | kneet | was on port 7000 for me |
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| 11:45.27 | _Dom_ | whats the command to load x |
| 11:45.33 | kneet | But - I can't really restart the webserver if that's the way they came in :-( |
| 11:45.49 | wombachi | _Dom_ X, startx, there are many |
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| 11:46.15 | wombachi | _Dom_ Ex /etc/init.d/gdm start to use the Gnome display manager |
| 11:46.19 | dli | kneet: seems to be fine for me, I will post in #flood |
| 11:46.27 | J_P | valdyn__: yeh, but are all option in kernel as [*] |
| 11:46.27 | _Dom_ | wombachi im not using gnome |
| 11:46.28 | _Dom_ | or kde |
| 11:46.36 | victor2 | ALGUN ESPAÑOL? |
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| 11:46.43 | _Dom_ | startx works |
| 11:46.45 | wombachi | _Dom_ ok, go with startx then (I use windowmaker) |
| 11:46.50 | victor2 | alguien con Guadalinex? |
| 11:47.04 | _Dom_ | can i apt get windowmaker |
| 11:47.10 | _Dom_ | ive just got freex86 |
| 11:47.12 | hairy_potter | _Dom_: yep. wmaker. |
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| 11:47.37 | _Dom_ | ooo i got a fatel server error |
| 11:47.40 | dli | _Dom_: or wm2 |
| 11:47.47 | victor2 | what about installing wifi 802.11? |
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| 11:47.54 | Phated | _Dom_: See above re not jinxing it. Welcome to Linux. |
| 11:47.59 | victor2 | can anyone help me about wifi? |
| 11:47.59 | J_P | valdyn__: <*> VIA82CXXX chipset support |
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| 11:48.12 | kneet | dli: couple of ps lines in #flood |
| 11:48.14 | _Dom_ | couldnt open default PEX font file Roman_M |
| 11:48.30 | J_P | valdyn__: <*> Kernel automounter support, <*> Reiserfs support |
| 11:48.44 | valdyn__ | J_P: yea, i noticed, i would still try to verify that its _really_ compiled in, maybe you forgot to make clean or make-kpkg clean or whatever before compiling. The automounter is irrelevant for this |
| 11:48.59 | Bongleton | hey guys i was wondering how i find out what debian version i have installed. i have checked /etc/debian_version which says 3.1 , but looking at the debian website thre is 3.0_r1 3.0_r2 etc |
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| 11:49.19 | Phated | Bongleton: YOu used d-i? In which case you have sarge. |
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| 11:49.44 | wombachi | Bongleton cat /etc/apt/sources.list will tell you more (sarge vs unstable by example) |
| 11:49.58 | J_P | valdyn__: i not forget do make-kpkg clean. |
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| 11:50.11 | Bongleton | yeh i used sarge, but under the list of debian images, there's potato, current, slink, woody, 3.0_r1 etc, but no sarge in the list |
| 11:50.17 | Bongleton | unless it's current? |
| 11:50.40 | Phated | Bongleton: Sarge is not released as yet. Read the site and learn about the distros. |
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| 11:50.57 | wombachi | Bongleton Sarge is 'testing' 3.0* is 'stable' (Woody). |
| 11:51.17 | valdyn__ | J_P: and about the root device, whats root in your bootmanagers config, what in your fstab |
| 11:51.28 | Bongleton | ok so for sarge, which one do i download from: http://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian-cd/images/ ? |
| 11:51.28 | wombachi | Bongleton read debian.org/releases/ |
| 11:51.40 | Phated | Bongleton: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 11:51.59 | J_P | valdyn__: go to private message.. i paste there.. |
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| 11:53.37 | Bongleton | thanks ;-) |
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| 11:54.11 | Bongleton | see my main issue, is that i downloaded the netinst sarge version, but, it doesn't appear to have rescue facility, just goes through the reinstall procedure |
| 11:54.43 | ElSebas | i have a question.... |
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| 11:55.03 | dli | Bongleton: boot with "root= " |
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| 11:55.20 | _Dom_ | couldnt open default PEX font file Roman_M ???? fatal error when i startx anyone any ideas? |
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| 11:56.02 | Bongleton | hmm root= is that something i pass grub? or is that something i put on the command line during the netinst loading? |
| 11:56.02 | dli | _Dom_: apt-get --reinstall install xfonts-base |
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| 11:56.51 | daft | Bongleton: have you pressed F3 when you are at the boot window of the cd? |
| 11:57.11 | Bongleton | i pressed the help f1 is it? and couldn't see any option for rescue mode |
| 11:57.33 | Phated | I believe f3 might show other options. |
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| 11:57.40 | Bongleton | cool let me try |
| 11:58.07 | daft | Bongleton: try F1 to F10 or some thing i have not used resque cd's in a long time |
| 11:59.00 | ElSebas | when I ping a host y receive the message "unknown host" |
| 11:59.14 | dli | ElSebas: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:59.26 | ElSebas | when i ping the ip works fine |
| 11:59.33 | _Dom_ | failed to write-combining range |
| 11:59.47 | ElSebas | and dig works fine |
| 12:00.02 | Phated | DNS server issues, likely. |
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| 12:00.19 | _Dom_ | even when i re-insrall |
| 12:01.10 | ElSebas | my question is why nslookup and dig works fine and ping not? |
| 12:01.22 | jm_ | because your system is misconfigured |
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| 12:02.36 | _Dom_ | mine or his? |
| 12:02.41 | ElSebas | jm_ : what part of the system can be misconfigured? |
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| 12:02.52 | jm_ | ElSebas: resolver, check nsswitch.conf |
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| 12:03.02 | ElSebas | ok |
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| 12:03.06 | jahi | has someone in here a asus-laptop? i want my buttons start working ;) |
| 12:03.30 | Kzimm | is it possible to have a dinb9 with dynamique IP ? |
| 12:03.44 | dli | jahi: can you get wireless natively? |
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| 12:04.01 | jethro | Kzimm: you mean bind9 ? |
| 12:04.54 | jahi | dli: i have the atmeldrivers and a3Com §crshpw 96 card |
| 12:05.05 | _Dom_ | how can i get to the package reinstaller on the woody cd from the command prompt |
| 12:05.20 | Kzimm | jethro: yes |
| 12:05.25 | jethro | Kzimm: www.blacksheepnetworks.com/security/ resources/bind9-dynamic-dns-howto.html |
| 12:05.33 | jethro | remove the spaces |
| 12:05.55 | dli | _Dom_: apt-get --reinstall install <package> |
| 12:05.55 | sue_them | _Dom_: R U talking about tasksel ? |
| 12:06.19 | dli | jahi: considering to buy an asus later :) |
| 12:06.25 | Tsb | Hey |
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| 12:06.39 | Kzimm | thanks i check that |
| 12:06.40 | jahi | dli: :D i have the L3C (L3800C) |
| 12:06.54 | _Dom_ | i have woody |
| 12:07.01 | _Dom_ | i have just apt-getted |
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| 12:07.11 | jahi | quite a cool notebook, but the battary could last lomnger (approx.2h) |
| 12:07.12 | Phated | !tell _Dom_ about enter |
| 12:07.26 | dli | jahi: what's the battery time now? |
| 12:07.47 | Tsb | Phated! :) |
| 12:07.50 | jahi | dli: hm how can i tell? |
| 12:08.05 | Phated | Tsb: Bugger off. |
| 12:08.06 | dli | jahi: /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0 |
| 12:08.11 | ElSebas | jm_ : the problem was nsswitch.conf, when i configures the NIS client i change hosts: files dns by hosts: files nis |
| 12:08.18 | jm_ | ElSebas: there you go |
| 12:08.24 | jahi | anybook:/usr/src# cat /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ACAD/state ->state: on-line |
| 12:08.24 | dli | jahi: I believe there's an asus option in kernel |
| 12:08.29 | jahi | lol |
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| 12:08.33 | jahi | yes there is |
| 12:08.57 | ElSebas | jm_ : but now... nis dont work |
| 12:09.36 | jm_ | ElSebas: you can still use NIS for other purposes, or you can use nis as one of the options for hostname resolution |
| 12:09.38 | jahi | dli: design capacity: 47600 mWh last full capacity: 47600 mWh |
| 12:09.59 | ElSebas | ok, thanks |
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| 12:10.43 | cleit0n | help with xmame on debian |
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| 12:11.38 | dli | jahi: how about the temperature & fan? |
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| 12:12.26 | jm_ | ElSebas: i.e. to fallback to next resolver : [NOTFOUND=continue] |
| 12:12.41 | _Dom_ | how do i list the packages i have installed |
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| 12:12.46 | jm_ | _Dom_: read the FAQ |
| 12:12.50 | _Dom_ | ok |
| 12:13.32 | zerge | _Dom_, dpkg -l |
| 12:13.34 | jahi | dli: you mean if its noisy? i think no |
| 12:14.07 | jahi | and its not too hot :) even its hot to look at ...lol |
| 12:14.08 | dli | jahi: is it hot? can you see the temperature? /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/state |
| 12:14.43 | jahi | anybook:/usr/src# cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/state \n state: active[0] |
| 12:14.52 | jahi | i dont have THM0 |
| 12:15.03 | dli | jahi: whatever :) |
| 12:15.08 | jahi | hehe |
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| 12:15.11 | cleit0n | help with xmame on debian, one error files no found... |
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| 12:15.33 | dli | jahi: asus is a good brand, want to try, any place to customize & buy? |
| 12:15.52 | Bongleton | the only options for bootup, are expert, linux, linux26 expert26, for the netinstall cd. no rescue mode |
| 12:16.01 | nornagon_ | Is there some site somewhere that lets me compare xterm and friends? I'm currently using gnome-terminal, because it supports the font I want (Courier 10 Pitch). |
| 12:16.14 | jahi | dli: yea i think that too asus or ibm. i bought mine here at the university hannover |
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| 12:16.55 | dli | jahi: is thinkpad now chinese? asus is natively taiwanese |
| 12:17.06 | jahi | dli: dunno |
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| 12:17.32 | _Dom_ | am i getting this right? there are 7 disks for i386 |
| 12:17.39 | BitByte | <<<runs asus for 4 years,very good and stable |
| 12:17.42 | dli | jahi: asus is almost the only top brand which you can buy without buying windows |
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| 12:17.59 | dli | BitByte: laptop or desktop? |
| 12:18.04 | jahi | hehe |
| 12:18.04 | BitByte | desk |
| 12:18.20 | dli | BitByte: laptop is harder :( |
| 12:18.29 | BitByte | a7v133 :) |
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| 12:18.51 | dli | BitByte: if you move your desktop everyday, and reconnect everyday, see how long it lasts |
| 12:18.57 | wombachi | _Dom_ 7 disks for woody, 14 disks for sarge |
| 12:18.58 | jahi | dli: http://tuxmobil.org/asus_l3800c_e.html <- that was not so bad for installation |
| 12:19.19 | BitByte | dli, lol |
| 12:19.36 | _Dom_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/torrents/3.0_r3/i386/ |
| 12:19.42 | _Dom_ | i only need one of these dont i? |
| 12:19.44 | _Dom_ | the first oen |
| 12:19.46 | jahi | dli: http://tuxmobil.de/asus_l3800c_d.html <- if you speak german |
| 12:20.00 | jm_ | _Dom_: no |
| 12:20.10 | jahi | moving tha desk every da can be also hard ... hard work! :o) |
| 12:20.20 | radiohead | anyone ever test or know a performance of linux FS (ext2 3 reiserfs ertc....) and Winblows FS (ntfs....)? |
| 12:20.47 | _Dom_ | jm_ i need them all? |
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| 12:21.16 | jm_ | _Dom_: no, it depends on what you want to install - it's best to get netinst ISO and install the rest from the net (you seem to have enough bandwith if you want to download entire CD) |
| 12:21.16 | wombachi | _Dom_ binary1 (us or nonus with better crypto) is enough to install a base system. |
| 12:21.30 | dli | jahi: cool , even the wlan works |
| 12:21.47 | jahi | yeah! |
| 12:21.52 | wombachi | _Dom_ and you install the rest from the net, as jm_ just said |
| 12:22.05 | bluefox83 | i seem to have a problem getting debian to bring up eth0 correctly, i believe i may have accidentally ruined the contents of /etc/network/interfaces can someone help me regenerate the contents? |
| 12:22.08 | _Dom_ | ive downloaded the woody cd... but ive tryed to download wmanager and its not loading (im using vmware) |
| 12:22.33 | jm_ | download what ? |
| 12:22.43 | _Dom_ | xserver |
| 12:22.52 | _Dom_ | xfree86 |
| 12:23.02 | The_Vulture | bluefox83: man 5 interfaces; ls /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 12:23.05 | jm_ | you need to configure it properly |
| 12:23.06 | dli | jahi: what's the weight? |
| 12:23.25 | _Dom_ | i get a font error and i have reinstalled the fonts |
| 12:23.47 | jm_ | you need to be more specific if you want people to help you, you can find the error in X logfile |
| 12:23.56 | bluefox83 | The_Vulture, i already did that, it wasn't much help since all it gives is examples of how to use dhcp or a static ip, and i don't use a router with dhcp and i don't have a static ip |
| 12:24.00 | _Dom_ | failed to write-combining range |
| 12:24.07 | dli | _Dom_: apt-get --reinstall install xfonts-base, but I doubt that's your problem |
| 12:24.07 | _Dom_ | couldnt open default PEX font file Roman_M |
| 12:24.13 | jm_ | that's not a fatal error |
| 12:24.15 | _Dom_ | dli i have done that |
| 12:24.22 | _Dom_ | it says fatal error |
| 12:24.24 | resiak | bluefox83: Erm, so what do you do? |
| 12:24.31 | jm_ | well the PEX one isn't |
| 12:24.31 | jahi | 3.2kg |
| 12:24.41 | jahi | dli: look here: http://www.ebuyphils.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2021 |
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| 12:25.10 | The_Vulture | bluefox83: that makes no sense |
| 12:25.11 | bluefox83 | resiak, connect directly with a dynamic ip provided by my isp |
| 12:25.17 | The_Vulture | bluefox83: that's dhcp |
| 12:25.26 | jm_ | and you can also disable pex module |
| 12:25.26 | resiak | bluefox83: With PPPoE? |
| 12:25.33 | dli | jahi: heavy :( 3.2 but in Kg |
| 12:25.38 | bluefox83 | The_Vulture, then what ip do i bind this thing to? |
| 12:25.43 | The_Vulture | ok, it could be PPPo*.. |
| 12:25.45 | bluefox83 | resiak, NO, I HAVE CABLE NOT DSL |
| 12:25.48 | bluefox83 | oops |
| 12:25.52 | _Dom_ | so how do i fix this font error... any ideas? |
| 12:25.55 | The_Vulture | bluefox83: if it's DHCP (which it probably is) you just use dhcp as the examples show |
| 12:25.57 | jahi | dli: laptop is harder... ;) |
| 12:25.58 | The_Vulture | you don't bind to anythign |
| 12:26.06 | jm_ | like I said, it's not a fatal error |
| 12:26.12 | bluefox83 | oooh |
| 12:26.24 | jahi | dli: its a desktop-replacement |
| 12:26.36 | _Dom_ | well it doesnt load xserver |
| 12:26.44 | resiak | bluefox83: My bad; I've never actually seen cable (not too common in the UK) so just assumed that it uses some breed of PPPo?... |
| 12:26.52 | _Dom_ | it says fatal error and it pulls up the fornt one |
| 12:27.00 | jm_ | _Dom_: comment out pex5 module, start it, paste the logfile (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 12:27.54 | jm_ | and prefix lines for me with jm or I won't talk to you |
| 12:27.54 | bluefox83 | resiak, i don't believe so |
| 12:27.54 | dli | jahi: I have a dell 5150 :( 8 lbs, want something lighter now |
| 12:27.54 | The_Vulture | bluefox83: dhcp, simple. HAND |
| 12:27.54 | resiak | bluefox83: Try DHCP, as The_Vulture says to. Thanks for attracting my attention: I've learned something today :) |
| 12:27.57 | _Dom_ | jm: sorry but the questions were to the room rather than a specific person |
| 12:28.28 | jm_ | _Dom_: yes, and I was the only person talking to you |
| 12:28.28 | jahi | dli: maybe samsung then? |
| 12:28.28 | bluefox83 | resiak, your welcome...thanks for the help |
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| 12:28.30 | dli | jahi: asus has some ultralight :) |
| 12:28.36 | jahi | :) |
| 12:28.43 | dli | jahi: do you run ati-binary ? |
| 12:28.57 | jahi | and i found asus_acpi.ko on sourceforge |
| 12:29.50 | bluefox83 | ok, another stupid question...which example should i use? |
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| 12:30.06 | The_Vulture | bluefox83: RTFM and check the examples, you want to use dhcp.. |
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| 12:30.10 | bluefox83 | the one that says iface eth0 inet dhcp? |
| 12:30.16 | dli | jahi: can you just use what in kernel? don't feel like to searching around |
| 12:30.23 | resiak | bluefox83: Yah. |
| 12:30.23 | jahi | dli: Section "Device" Identifier "Card0" Driver "ati" VendorName "ATI" BoardName "Radeon Mobility M7 LW" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection |
| 12:30.29 | bluefox83 | The_Vulture, there are a couple different examples |
| 12:30.43 | jahi | dli: yesterday i installed 2.6.10 |
| 12:30.44 | resiak | bluefox83: ...probably :) |
| 12:30.50 | dli | jahi: good, you just use ati in x |
| 12:31.23 | jahi | dli: also works out of the box, and everything went quite clean :D |
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| 12:31.55 | The_Vulture | bluefox83: there are lots of extra options, but the basics are pretty obvious "iface ethx inet dhcp" |
| 12:31.55 | dli | jahi: nice, asus really works closely with linux, unlike dell |
| 12:31.57 | The_Vulture | and probably "auto ethx" |
| 12:32.00 | jahi | dli: glxgears tells me about 600FPD |
| 12:32.16 | dli | jahi: without ati-binary? that's amazing |
| 12:32.23 | bluefox83 | ty |
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| 12:32.36 | dli | jahi: my nvidia can only do 100 without binary |
| 12:33.00 | jahi | dli: i even compiled sun's Looking Glass :D thats cool! |
| 12:33.12 | bluefox83 | bbl if it doesn't work |
| 12:33.28 | dli | jahi: ati is better than nvidia, I will avoid nvidia whenever I could |
| 12:33.35 | jahi | hehe |
| 12:34.01 | dli | jahi: what screen resolution are you running? |
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| 12:34.20 | jahi | dli: i remember that i compiled some DRI-stuff ... drm-trunk |
| 12:34.25 | war88 | anyone know the difference between the gf4 6600 and the 6800 besides $200? |
| 12:34.41 | jahi | dli: i have an 1400x1050 LCD :D great stuff |
| 12:34.48 | jm_ | war88: 6600 is 128bit (well the better models), 6800 is 256 and has higher clock speeds |
| 12:35.12 | jm_ | and it's not gf4 ;) |
| 12:35.12 | dli | jahi: it sounds like you are using ati-binary already |
| 12:35.17 | war88 | jm< errm yea, ah |
| 12:35.44 | dli | jahi: it's okay, but the nvidia binary makes my dell freezes up randomly |
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| 12:35.54 | jahi | yeah maybe, im a bit lazy and new to all this ... and of cousre i have no time :( |
| 12:36.14 | jahi | dli: i never crashed, since i have linux installed |
| 12:36.17 | dli | jahi: that's my point, everybody should run in a newbie way :) |
| 12:36.22 | jahi | ...ok once maybe |
| 12:36.58 | jahi | sure |
| 12:37.09 | dli | jahi: but with nvidia-binary, you need a kernel module |
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| 12:37.30 | war88 | jm_: so if i want 100fps in 1600x1200 i need a gf6800? |
| 12:37.35 | bluefox83 | it worked great, thanks |
| 12:37.37 | jm_ | war88: yes |
| 12:37.43 | bluefox83 | on to newer problems.. |
| 12:37.52 | Tom- | I get 5 frame/s in Enemy Territory |
| 12:37.57 | bluefox83 | like why my computer wont recognise that i have 2 hard drives =( |
| 12:37.58 | jm_ | war88: well it might depend on a game, but for anything new, you want 6800 for such rates |
| 12:37.58 | dli | jahi: nice to talk to you, bye now |
| 12:37.59 | Tom- | Poor Tom |
| 12:38.06 | jahi | dli: yeah cya around |
| 12:38.27 | valdyn__ | war88: your screen resolution depends on the ramdac, not on the gfx chip |
| 12:39.06 | war88 | jm_: ahh, nice |
| 12:39.10 | war88 | valdyn__, oh |
| 12:39.29 | war88 | valdyn__: got a 22" does 2048x1536, currently have a gf4mx 400 in my win box and a gf4 ti4800 in my linux box |
| 12:39.51 | bluefox83 | would jumper settings prevent my bios and linux from detecting my second hard drive? |
| 12:40.04 | jm_ | bluedwarf: they might yes |
| 12:40.09 | bluefox83 | dang =( |
| 12:40.38 | valdyn__ | war88: in other words, even if the 6800 can render more data per time than the 6800, the supported screen resolutions might be identical, i dont know that |
| 12:41.01 | bluefox83 | sound doesn't work, wont detect my second hard drive... *sighs* |
| 12:41.40 | bluefox83 | alright, i have to go frell with the jumper settings.. |
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| 12:43.31 | dondelelcaro | hrm... are we only up to bob2 the movie #5? |
| 12:44.35 | nvz | he's been doing some live tours |
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| 12:45.59 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, that's #4 |
| 12:45.59 | valdyn__ | war88: so i just looked at 2 nvidia cards, one 6600, one 6800, both have the same pixel frequencym 400mhz => both cards support same screen resolutions even though one has more 3d performance than the other |
| 12:46.11 | dondelelcaro | nvz: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/pound_debian/04_bob2_wba.png |
| 12:47.40 | peterS | 400 MHz dot clock is simply insane |
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| 12:48.25 | lonewolff | hi there, i was just wondering does debian-arm run on XScale cpu's does anyone know? |
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| 12:48.56 | valdyn__ | peterS: but has to be shared for dual-head |
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| 12:49.44 | peterS | valdyn__: even so. we're talking 4000x3000 @ 85 Hz, or similar. splitting that resolution into 3 heads is still awfully high |
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| 12:49.59 | resiak | kill -SIGGOGETFOOD jethro ? |
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| 12:51.29 | valdyn__ | peterS: devide by 4 at a 32 bit resolution? |
| 12:51.43 | fusion | Hm can someone please refresh my memory on the FTP server called something like "nerim" that does multimedia codecs etc? |
| 12:51.52 | peterS | valdyn__: no. bit depth and dot clock don't affect each other |
| 12:52.01 | jm_ | fusion: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 12:52.07 | fusion | ahhh thanks |
| 12:52.11 | valdyn__ | peterS: ah thanks |
| 12:52.18 | peterS | valdyn__: dot clock is per pixel, not per bit or per byte (: |
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| 12:53.51 | ciga | is there an editor with syntax highlight and Dropdown Function Lists and Function Parameter Popup? |
| 12:54.19 | Guerin | ciga: emacs |
| 12:54.21 | jm_ | FTE has at lrast function list, not sure about what the other one does |
| 12:54.24 | jm_ | least |
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| 12:54.47 | Guerin | ciga: they're not exactly like popup and dropdown, but all sorts of available things are available in lists on-tap |
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| 12:55.29 | peterS | valdyn__: my estimate was way off, though. I said 4000x3000, I really meant 2400x1800 @ 85 Hz, or so. split that into two heads and it's not as impressive as I made it sound - 2 x 1600x1200 @ 90 Hz, maybe |
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| 12:56.40 | valdyn__ | peterS: yea, well, still plenty anyway |
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| 12:56.59 | gothtec | http://gothtec.panikk.org/stuff/spam.jpg <- what's the point in spending time and money to send me spam like this?! |
| 12:57.04 | gothtec | I don't understand people anymore |
| 12:57.06 | peterS | valdyn__: yeah. monitors that can, and users that want to, do > 1600x1200 are still fairly uncommon |
| 12:57.09 | ciga | Guerin: emacs is a little bit complicated for me. |
| 12:57.18 | Guerin | ciga: why? |
| 12:57.36 | Guerin | ciga: the only thing tricky about emacs is writing a config file for it |
| 12:57.56 | Guerin | and that is DAMN tricky, unless you grok lisp |
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| 12:58.53 | usn | hi all |
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| 12:59.32 | peterS | gothtec: lots of that sort of thing going around. the only thing I can think of is that it's pure vandalism to reduce the effectiveness of bayesian filters |
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| 13:00.06 | asg | peterS: great, now I'm going to get pimped for more fake rolexes. |
| 13:00.13 | gothtec | peterS: hmm.. probably right |
| 13:00.47 | peterS | asg: I missed the wave of rolex spam, it seems. not that I regret this, mind |
| 13:01.31 | asg | peterS: there is another one coming though I tend to only get female ejaculation spam (no idea why) |
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| 13:01.31 | emanuelez | i have a canon lbp 1120 printer. canon japan has released GPL linux drivers which is very useful cause it's a winprinter. who should i contact to create deb packages of these drivers? |
| 13:02.02 | peterS | emanuelez: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 13:02.04 | Guerin | gothtec: wow, your font is cool |
| 13:02.19 | peterS | emanuelez: look around there for instructions for submitting a RFP |
| 13:02.21 | emanuelez | peterS: thx a lot |
| 13:02.38 | asg | Guerin: cantonese on crack? |
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| 13:02.43 | gothtec | Guerin: the photoshopped one? :P |
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| 13:02.53 | Guerin | asg: I reckon it's mushrooms, not crack |
| 13:03.04 | Guerin | gothtec: booo photoshop! |
| 13:03.09 | asg | Guerin: ah, cantonese on crimini |
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| 13:03.48 | borco | hi |
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| 13:04.13 | kbrooks | borco: hi |
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| 13:04.42 | borco | i try to use debmirror but it fails with 'gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found' and then with 'Release signature does not verify' |
| 13:04.55 | gothtec | Guerin: i run it with wine :) |
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| 13:05.04 | Guerin | gothtec: winex, you mean |
| 13:05.05 | borco | i can use '--ignore-release-gpg', but I would prefer to set the gpg... |
| 13:05.16 | Guerin | or cedega or wtf they call it nowadays |
| 13:05.18 | borco | any help, pls? |
| 13:05.20 | asg | Guerin: that explains the waviness of the image then |
| 13:05.58 | gothtec | Guerin: yeah |
| 13:06.41 | wombachi | Does it sound crasy to run a 2.6 kernel on woody (prod server)? Is it easy to do? |
| 13:07.02 | peterS | wombachi: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 13:07.02 | jm_ | wombachi: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
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| 13:07.33 | wombachi | damn, you're pretty quick :) |
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| 13:09.59 | solars | hi, does anyone know how to grab only images with wget? (and no, its not porn :) |
| 13:10.40 | jm_ | info wget, it has accept and reject lists |
| 13:10.42 | streuner_ | solars: tkinfo wget - look for examples |
| 13:10.48 | solars | thanks |
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| 13:14.35 | wombachi | is it me, or www.fs.tum.de is down? |
| 13:15.50 | Guerin | wombachi: connection refused |
| 13:16.03 | streuner_ | knusper:/home/user# ping -c1 tum.de |
| 13:16.03 | streuner_ | pingouin: unknown host tum.de |
| 13:16.38 | Guerin | isn't it tums? |
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| 13:16.47 | Guerin | no |
| 13:16.49 | Guerin | it's not |
| 13:17.18 | streuner_ | dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 13:17.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
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| 13:18.34 | kromagg | why "bunk"? |
| 13:18.39 | asg | kromagg: adrian bunk |
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| 13:18.51 | kromagg | ah k |
| 13:19.01 | streuner_ | He want use 2.6.x kernel on woody |
| 13:19.25 | wombachi | perhaps it can be done with packages from backports.org ? |
| 13:19.44 | asg | wombachi: unless you have a compelling reason to, stick with 2.4 |
| 13:19.48 | Guerin | wombachi: well, the files are hosted on that server |
| 13:20.01 | Guerin | wombachi: wait until it comes up again' I'm sure it will. |
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| 13:22.01 | wombachi | ok. Are security 2.4 bugs handled with "same priority" then 2.6? |
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| 13:22.15 | asg | wombachi: higher since 2.6 isn't in woody |
| 13:22.59 | asg | wombachi: an issues are backported to the 2.4.18 kernel or 2.2.20 kernel in woody by the security team. |
| 13:23.01 | Guerin | wombachi: so in that respect, they're given HIGHER priority than 2.6 bugs |
| 13:23.02 | asg | s/an/any/ |
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| 13:24.26 | wombachi | ok, that sounds good, especially there are sec bugs in kernel: |
| 13:24.36 | wombachi | http://www.certa.ssi.gouv.fr/site/CERTA-2004-AVI-409/ (french) |
| 13:24.56 | asg | wombachi: stick with debian's kernel and you will be fine |
| 13:25.05 | Assid | streuner: if i just change my sources.list to reflect sarge.. and do a update/upgrade.. and get the stock kernel .. is there anything else i need to make it 'ugraded' ? |
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| 13:25.17 | Guerin | wombachi: debian patches its kernels just as fast as possible |
| 13:25.48 | Rivest | hi is it possible to use sed to search and replace a certain string of all text files in a directory? |
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| 13:26.08 | Guerin | Rivest: yes. |
| 13:26.13 | asg | Rivest: sure but it's probably easier to use perl since sed cannot do that inplace. |
| 13:26.21 | wombachi | asg, Guerin Thanks for your time and suggestions :) |
| 13:26.22 | kaninchen | is there a package under debian which provides more printer drivers than the default approx. 20 drivers ? what is it named ? |
| 13:26.26 | asg | wombachi: you're welcome |
| 13:26.35 | asg | kaninchen: foomatic, gimp-print |
| 13:26.59 | Assid | is there any thing i have to extra besides update my sources.list to reflest sarge and update/upgrade ? |
| 13:27.11 | asg | Assid: /msg dpkg woody->sarge (follow instructions.) |
| 13:27.25 | Assid | thanks |
| 13:27.36 | directhex | Assid, for sarge's debian_base, one or two packages such as hotplug & discover1 might want to be installed too |
| 13:27.55 | Guerin | asg: sed can do inplace |
| 13:27.57 | Guerin | sed -i |
| 13:28.10 | asg | Guerin: ah, forgot about that ;) |
| 13:28.17 | Assid | directhex: but it will do it on its own right ? i mean doesnt apt take care of that? |
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| 13:28.46 | Guerin | !bunnysmite kaninchen |
| 13:29.01 | kaninchen | *g* |
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| 13:29.12 | directhex | Assid, technically no, you're just upgrading packages on the system. it won't install the extra bits which are default in sarge, just as it won't change lilo for grub even though that's sarge;s default |
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| 13:29.29 | Assid | i see.. |
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| 13:30.17 | Assid | would you recommend upgrading a production box currently? i mean the quality standards of debian is pretty high.. hence the long waiting period ... but since its in feature freeze.. i guess its near the life cycle |
| 13:30.36 | directhex | desktop or server? |
| 13:30.40 | Assid | server |
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| 13:31.00 | emanuelez | peterS: sent an RFP :) |
| 13:31.02 | directhex | hmm, perhaps not. depends on the age of the hardware |
| 13:31.11 | peterS | emanuelez: cool |
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| 13:31.26 | Assid | hrmm.. pretty old.. like a 1.3 celly |
| 13:31.35 | kaninchen | is there a shot docu how to set up a printer via cups ? |
| 13:31.41 | directhex | stay with woody for now |
| 13:31.42 | wombachi | Assid not yet. IIRC security updates arent avail for Sarge |
| 13:31.45 | Guerin | Assid: that's not old |
| 13:31.58 | nothos | okay when i installed debian, the installer saw all my hard drives and after i rebooted i can't find any of them what gives? |
| 13:32.13 | Assid | wombachi: no? that i didnt know.. |
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| 13:33.19 | Assid | Guerin: thats not old ?? but its a celly |
| 13:33.25 | wombachi | Assid check d.o/releases/testing/ and bugs.d.o//release-critical/ |
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| 13:33.44 | Guerin | Assid: I'm running a p2-233 and two p3-733s here |
| 13:33.55 | Assid | aah |
| 13:34.00 | Guerin | and a couple months ago I was running a cel400 and a cel500 |
| 13:34.12 | Muffie | hello all. Anyone knows if its possible to download only amulecmd (p2p text based) using apt-get?? |
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| 13:34.31 | Assid | i got p4 3.0eHT for my winbox and amd1800xp+ for my production.. and a 1.3cel for my server (dont ask.. its complicated) |
| 13:34.42 | Guerin | !tell Muffie about search |
| 13:34.52 | Assid | u can actually see the difference in the celerons performance |
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| 13:35.58 | estel | hi |
| 13:36.27 | Muffie | !tell Guerin that I have already searched |
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| 13:36.42 | Guerin | Assid: I think we're talking the difference between the 1300 and a ~1800 and a ~3000 mhz cpu |
| 13:36.46 | cafuego | Muffie: Well, then the answer is obviously "no". |
| 13:36.51 | estel | make-fai-nfsroot isn't able to create a directory; has anyone experience configuring FAI? |
| 13:37.34 | Assid | no no.. ive seen a 550cel and intel550 side by side.. cel doenst match up |
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| 13:37.45 | cafuego | wet celery |
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| 13:37.49 | jm_ | and celereon isn't intel ? |
| 13:37.56 | asg | cafuego: with blue cheese |
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| 13:38.16 | cafuego | jm_: it is. hence it's shitness. |
| 13:38.23 | jm_ | hehe |
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| 13:39.01 | tsk1979 | wow! so many people here |
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| 13:39.12 | Assid | no i mean pentium vs/ cel |
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| 13:39.50 | Guerin | Assid: that's not what you said, though. |
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| 13:40.08 | cafuego | Assid: You cna hardly compare a 3Ghz cpu with a 1.3GHz one. |
| 13:40.14 | Assid | i sad cel doesnt match up |
| 13:40.16 | Guerin | Assid: for reference, by p3-733 goes about 2.5 times the speed of my cel400 |
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| 13:40.37 | Assid | i by no means will compare 3.0 / 1.3 |
| 13:40.42 | Guerin | Assid: it wouldn't. Like comparing my 1.5 daewoo with a ford mustang |
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| 13:40.57 | asg | Guerin: well, you cat strap rocket engines to the daewoo |
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| 13:41.11 | Guerin | asg: you can strap them on a 'tang as well |
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| 13:41.23 | Guerin | ph333r |
| 13:41.24 | FieldySnuts | @wtf "sad cel" |
| 13:41.38 | Rivest | help! the latest official sarge iso does not detect the ibm sata serveraid |
| 13:41.41 | asg | Guerin: it would break if you did that |
| 13:41.41 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:41.43 | Spec | you could also drop your computer out of a window and get a good acceleration boost. |
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| 13:41.50 | asg | Rivest: try #debian-boot |
| 13:41.55 | cafuego | Spec: Beats a turbo button ;-) |
| 13:41.58 | j4cbo | yay, cups is fixed |
| 13:42.24 | Assid | i shulda picked amd64 instead :( |
| 13:42.37 | MobyTurbo | I remember someone I knew ran their computer without the "turbo" button because he thought it'd be more stable |
| 13:42.48 | Konlied | hmm what happened to unstable? I can't find it via debian.org. Has it been renamed testing for some reason? |
| 13:42.57 | asg | Konlied: no |
| 13:43.06 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: I worked on a computer today (said P2) which has a Turbo botton on the keyboard. |
| 13:43.17 | j4cbo | i'm vaguely regretting my athlon xp, but it was cheap |
| 13:43.19 | asg | !envy cafuego |
| 13:43.20 | cafuego | !confuse Konlied |
| 13:43.20 | dpkg | No, who was my ferret yesterday, Konlied? trousers of the monarchy of mongolia with extra cream |
| 13:43.33 | ferret_ | :| |
| 13:43.40 | cafuego | j4cbo: Cheap, fast, good :-) |
| 13:43.50 | Konlied | Konlied.status = confused |
| 13:43.51 | nothos | is there a way to tell debian to scan the hardware and load modules to suit? like the installer does? |
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| 13:44.10 | cafuego | nothos: install discover1 |
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| 13:44.12 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: having a turbo button on the keyboard is wrong in so many ways that I don't know where to start. |
| 13:44.12 | Konlied | Athlons are such fan reliant POS >:(... |
| 13:44.14 | Assid | haha.. my story |
| 13:44.21 | asg | Konlied: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:44.30 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: Dell - god knows why. |
| 13:44.36 | j4cbo | i basically went cheap, 50% fast, 50% good... barton 2500, and the whole thing cost $500 including a pretty decent video card :) |
| 13:44.43 | asg | cafuego: your god is an evil one then |
| 13:44.56 | cafuego | asg: I know I'm evil, what are you? |
| 13:45.16 | asg | cafuego: fluffled and moderatly pissed |
| 13:45.17 | cafuego | j4cbo: Same here; 2400+ |
| 13:45.21 | Assid | i always thaugh he amd64 was better than intel HT |
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| 13:45.44 | cafuego | Assid: Don't know about better. Certainly faster and cheaper. |
| 13:45.45 | nothos | cafuego it's already installed |
| 13:45.49 | nothos | whats it do? |
| 13:46.04 | cafuego | nothos: it discovers hardware at bootup and loads modules. |
| 13:46.15 | Assid | i screwed up :( |
| 13:46.20 | wombachi | are debs in incoming.d.o are debs that will go unchanged to unstable? |
| 13:46.21 | Konlied | Assid: it /is/, but they like to push every last bit out of the chip, unlike Intel which leaves some redundancy. |
| 13:46.38 | Spec | I wish I had an amd.... |
| 13:46.45 | Spec | I'm so cold, I need all the heat I can get right now. |
| 13:46.51 | j4cbo | HT is either brilliant or a horrible kludge... i'm not sure which one |
| 13:46.54 | rdancer | Konlied: certainly *not* redundancy |
| 13:46.55 | Konlied | Less steps for a start (but nowhere near as few steps as a PPC chip) |
| 13:47.00 | nothos | so on boot it should be finding my hardware an loading the modules for such? |
| 13:47.08 | j4cbo | Spec: actually, recent intels put out WAY more heat |
| 13:47.10 | Assid | hey.. if the voltage goes wrong.. will the chip fry ? |
| 13:47.28 | cafuego | omg, MARK has hacked my syslogd! |
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| 13:47.32 | Assid | sensors say that its alarmed |
| 13:47.37 | Covener | cafuego: Haha! |
| 13:47.55 | j4cbo | Assid: what is it at, what's it supposed to be? |
| 13:47.57 | cafuego | Assid: Did you set up sensors.conf to report the correct values? |
| 13:48.23 | nothos | i don't get why the installer can pick up my drives but after the first reboot i loose them |
| 13:48.26 | Assid | VCore 1: +1.76 V VCore 2: +1.23 V |
| 13:48.27 | nothos | and the cdroms |
| 13:48.48 | Assid | cafuego: it caught it fine.. once i loaded up the modules |
| 13:48.59 | Assid | but everything shows up as alarm |
| 13:49.10 | j4cbo | sensors says my Vcore is 1.58v and it should be 1.65; i dunno if that's the cheap sensor circuit or the cheap power supply circuitry, but either way i'm not too worried |
| 13:49.11 | Assid | -5V: -8.31 V <-- way over the limit |
| 13:49.25 | cafuego | Assid: Yes, you need to tweak that file so it reports the correct values. it's shit. May as well not use 'em. |
| 13:49.35 | Assid | oh |
| 13:49.45 | cafuego | Assid: If the box isn't crashing, the voltages are fine ;-) |
| 13:49.50 | Assid | haha |
| 13:50.08 | Assid | actually.. i got a weird issue with the box.. it doesnt accept local keyboard anymore.. ever since i compiled the new kernel |
| 13:50.25 | cafuego | You forgot the keyboard driver, then. |
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| 13:50.28 | Assid | but i do have the kernel compiled with the at input device (keyboard) |
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| 13:50.38 | Assid | i do have it ther.e. i saw it again in the config |
| 13:50.45 | Spec | You have to tell the sensors to report the correct value, then it works good. Or rather, it always reports the correct value. |
| 13:50.46 | cafuego | vent/input missing |
| 13:50.51 | cafuego | s/v/ev/ |
| 13:51.07 | Assid | Spec: no clue how whatsoever |
| 13:51.31 | cafuego | Spec: Yes, Tell it "-5V" = -5 |
| 13:51.42 | j4cbo | speaking of hardware... is there a way to disable all the module detection stuff on boot, and just hardcode it all? |
| 13:51.48 | Konlied | hey how do I rename my box? I'd rather something other thank debian |
| 13:51.52 | Assid | hahahaa |
| 13:51.58 | cafuego | Assid: Basically, google for someone who has done the hard work on your exact mobo. |
| 13:52.09 | Assid | yeah will do that |
| 13:52.14 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge discover hotplug |
| 13:52.14 | cafuego | Konlied: Yes, there is. |
| 13:52.21 | nothos | anyone know how the sarge installer searches for hardware |
| 13:52.22 | cafuego | Konlied: ^^ and 'modconf' |
| 13:52.23 | Spec | Konlied: hostname myhostname;echo 'myhostname' > /etc/hostname |
| 13:52.27 | Assid | i would like to get my damn keyboard working tho |
| 13:52.34 | Konlied | last dumb question: how to create new user> |
| 13:52.37 | j4cbo | autodetection is great, but it's really slowing down the boot process on my epia |
| 13:52.41 | jetscreamer | same answer nothos |
| 13:52.52 | cafuego | Assid: Just shout '0' or '1' at the ethernet port really quickly. |
| 13:52.53 | Assid | Konlied: adduser |
| 13:52.59 | Assid | ethernet? |
| 13:53.05 | cafuego | For inpu |
| 13:53.06 | cafuego | t |
| 13:53.10 | j4cbo | jetscreamer: how do i hardcode the config then? |
| 13:53.13 | nothos | well i've got dicover1 installed and it's not picking up drives that the sarge net installer found |
| 13:53.21 | rdancer | cafuego: haha |
| 13:53.24 | Konlied | thanks for reading the manuals for me guys ;) |
| 13:53.40 | jetscreamer | add the appropriate module names to /etc/modules |
| 13:53.48 | jetscreamer | add the appropriate module names to /etc/modules j4cbo |
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| 13:54.11 | jetscreamer | drives |
| 13:54.13 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 13:54.14 | Spec | hey, j4cbo, in case you didn't catch that, <jetscreamer> add the appropriate module names to /etc/modules |
| 13:54.19 | j4cbo | i saw it :) |
| 13:54.23 | Spec | kk. |
| 13:54.28 | Assid | CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD=y <-- see its set to yes |
| 13:54.30 | nothos | jetscreamer so you say remove discover1 and hotplug? |
| 13:54.51 | jetscreamer | nothos, i meant those are what does the autodetection |
| 13:55.22 | nothos | well i don't know whats happening then |
| 13:55.23 | jetscreamer | not finding drives, what do you mean |
| 13:55.36 | nothos | the installer found them but on reboot i've lost them |
| 13:55.46 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 13:55.54 | nothos | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.26 | nothos | missing 2 cdroms and 3 hard drives |
| 13:56.40 | nothos | yet the installer found them and i could mount them till i did the first reboot |
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| 13:56.57 | jetscreamer | that's probably you need to lmanage your mount points yourslf and not let discover do it |
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| 13:57.09 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure discover |
| 13:57.20 | jetscreamer | or discover1 maybe |
| 13:57.57 | nothos | i've tried mounting them myself i just get an error and when i cat /proc/ide theres nothing there |
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| 13:58.01 | jetscreamer | nothos, ls -l / , look for the broken symlinks, then ls -l /media and do the same |
| 13:58.14 | Covener | nothos: is the module for your controller loaded? does it report anything when it comes up? |
| 13:58.15 | Spec | you shouldn't cat /proc/ide, that's a folder |
| 13:58.29 | j4cbo | hm, something keeps deleting /media/cdrom0 on my system |
| 13:58.41 | j4cbo | the cdrom symlink is still there though |
| 13:58.46 | Spec | nothos: try dmesg |grep -i hd |
| 13:59.02 | g0ph3r | a question about dpkg: my wife rebooted the computer while an upgrade to todays testing was in progress over the network. my dselect log (generated with 'script') ends in the middle of a package download :-/ but this may come from chaching... so how do i know if everything was downloaded and configured properly? |
| 13:59.09 | jetscreamer | discover1 keeps deleting /media/cdrom0 |
| 13:59.21 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure discover1 |
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| 13:59.24 | jm_ | g0ph3r: upgrade it again |
| 13:59.45 | elnovato | hello |
| 13:59.52 | g0ph3r | jm_: so if i simply run dselect again and it does nothing on "install" or "configure" all is fine? |
| 13:59.57 | j4cbo | jetscreamer: and tell it not to manage automatically? |
| 14:00.06 | peejay | gopher still exists? |
| 14:00.19 | jetscreamer | right |
| 14:00.23 | elnovato | i have a LG dvd burner, but debian doesnt want to recognize, is there some work around to fix that?, thanks in advance |
| 14:00.29 | g0ph3r | peejay: hm? |
| 14:00.34 | jm_ | g0ph3r: no, it should do something, since it first downloads all required stuff and then proceeds with installing it - so if she rebooted it while it was still downloading, something must still download |
| 14:00.35 | jetscreamer | i just had to do that crap for my kids box |
| 14:00.37 | Covener | elnovato: doesn't recognize it with what? have you tried growisofs? |
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| 14:00.55 | asg | peejay: it does |
| 14:00.59 | nothos | the siimage module gets loaded but thats about it |
| 14:00.59 | jetscreamer | 'daddy i can't play pulp fiction!' |
| 14:01.20 | j4cbo | is there a way to make usb drives, my ipod, etc show up on the kde desktop automatically? |
| 14:01.23 | Covener | nothos: is the running kernel the same as the one from the installer? |
| 14:01.24 | g0ph3r | jm_: i already tried that. dselect does nothing and says that the packages are already installed. so i guess all is fine then |
| 14:01.31 | elnovato | Covener: i mean, when i insert the cd nothing happens, no i didnt tried |
| 14:01.34 | asg | j4cbo: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 14:01.43 | asg | j4cbo: for the automation part, ask #debian-kde |
| 14:01.44 | Covener | elnovato: nothing should happen when you insert a CD |
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| 14:01.48 | Spec | g0ph3r: try apt-get -f install |
| 14:01.49 | tso_ | hi all |
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| 14:02.06 | jetscreamer | automount works in gnome too |
| 14:02.07 | elnovato | Covener: i mean, i cant read the data on the cd drive |
| 14:02.21 | jm_ | g0ph3r: well check /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 14:02.25 | Covener | elnovato: does the mount fail? Does it give a message? |
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| 14:02.40 | jetscreamer | elnovato, you mean you have insufficient permissins on your mounted drive? |
| 14:02.42 | g0ph3r | apt-get -f install: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 14:02.44 | elnovato | Covener: doesnt even mount anything |
| 14:02.51 | g0ph3r | so i guess that all is good :) |
| 14:02.55 | Covener | elnovato: Are you explicitly mountint it or not? |
| 14:02.56 | elnovato | jetscreamer: im root already |
| 14:03.03 | nothos | convener no i upgraded from the installers 2.4.27 to 2.6.8 via apt |
| 14:03.07 | elnovato | Covener: no, doesnt mount |
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| 14:03.44 | Covener | elnovato: You should try mounting it then if you want to access it, otherwise your problem is "my system doesn't automount cds" |
| 14:03.49 | jetscreamer | elnovato, are your mount points being managed by discover also? |
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| 14:04.10 | elnovato | jetscreamer: discover? |
| 14:04.26 | elnovato | Covener: how to mount a dvd burner drive? |
| 14:04.32 | jetscreamer | yes discover |
| 14:04.43 | Covener | elnovato: same as any cd or dvd |
| 14:04.55 | elnovato | mount /dev/cdrom ? |
| 14:05.14 | jetscreamer | yeah if it's setup on /dev/cdrom |
| 14:05.23 | Rivest | anyone familiar with lvm or software raid? |
| 14:05.26 | jetscreamer | ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 14:05.37 | Covener | elnovato: try a few things, read the manpage for mount. |
| 14:05.45 | jetscreamer | see also ls -l / and ls -l /media |
| 14:05.57 | elnovato | thanks guys, whats is a decent kde dvd burner app ? |
| 14:05.59 | FieldySnuts | in 2.6.10 kernel config, i'm tring to figure out what I should tell it for processor. it's a celeron 1100MHz, is that a p3/celeron or p4/celeron ? |
| 14:06.03 | g0ph3r | jm_: this directory just contains an empty "lock" file and an empty subdirectory "partial" |
| 14:06.03 | FieldySnuts | elnovato: k3b |
| 14:06.11 | jm_ | g0ph3r: check that one |
| 14:06.34 | g0ph3r | jm_: the directory is empty |
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| 14:06.49 | jetscreamer | p3 |
| 14:06.51 | Shadur | Augh. I *KNOW* I saw a method somewhere to force the "save file as" dialog to come up even though the file the client clicks on is a type that the browser should be able to handle. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 14:06.59 | jm_ | g0ph3r: hmm maybe it deletes stuff at boot then, well it seems to be OK anyway |
| 14:07.02 | elnovato | thanks you very much |
| 14:07.03 | g0ph3r | jm_: so i guess all is fine, right? |
| 14:07.05 | nothos | this is really depressing now |
| 14:07.10 | jetscreamer | FieldySnuts, not p4 |
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| 14:07.19 | Spec | Shadur: try shift clicking |
| 14:07.21 | nothos | everything is installed and working but this' |
| 14:07.34 | FieldySnuts | jetscreamer: didn't think so |
| 14:07.38 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
| 14:07.43 | Covener | FieldySnuts: i would guess p3-based by the clock, but you might need to find a table and compare to cpuinfo |
| 14:07.53 | Shadur | Spec: I mean, implemented server-side. Either as a html directive or by perlscript. |
| 14:08.02 | jm_ | g0ph3r: looks like it |
| 14:08.11 | g0ph3r | ok, thanks for your help! is that the appropriate channel if i'm having problems with my upgraded gnome 2.8 in testing (using gnome 2.6 before)? or is there a more appropriate channel? |
| 14:08.14 | lawnchair | omg im on the interwes!!!1 |
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| 14:08.19 | Spec | umm |
| 14:08.20 | jetscreamer | nothos, install k3b, run the setup script |
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| 14:08.25 | jm_ | g0ph3r: yes, but don't forget to check BTS |
| 14:08.28 | steve | hey all, if I have /dev/hda1 as /boot, as the kernel image is in /boot, do I specify the root as being /dev/hda1 in the bootloader? or do I specify / as the root? |
| 14:08.30 | Assid | hrmm i think i better stop playing aruondand finish this work |
| 14:08.32 | steve | / = /dev/hda2 |
| 14:08.38 | g0ph3r | ok, i'll check BTS first... ;-) |
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| 14:09.02 | asg | steve: the latter |
| 14:09.08 | valdyn__ | steve: you specify your root as root, so /dev/hda2 |
| 14:09.11 | Shadur | My coworker is working on a website containing thumbnails for VERY large images. The idea is that clicking on the thumbnail will automatically give you the 'save as' dialog rather than displaying the 2000x2000 image |
| 14:09.22 | jetscreamer | steve, root would be hda1, and boot might be either hda or hda1.. hda is 'bootloader is installed in mbr' |
| 14:09.28 | steve | valdyn__: but the kernel image is in a different partition? |
| 14:09.35 | steve | would that matter? |
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| 14:10.18 | jetscreamer | doesn't matter |
| 14:10.20 | j4cbo | steve: lilo will figure it out |
| 14:10.21 | valdyn__ | steve: nope |
| 14:10.27 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: a 2000x2000 image isn't very big... |
| 14:10.28 | steve | it's grub |
| 14:10.30 | valdyn__ | steve: i use that setup aswell |
| 14:10.39 | steve | =) |
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| 14:10.42 | j4cbo | close enough :) |
| 14:10.43 | asg | dondelelcaro: he might mean meters, not pixels ;) |
| 14:11.02 | Covener | Shadur: you can force that by having it served with a content type of application/octet-stream and setting a few other parameters in the request to make IE know the right filename to "guess" |
| 14:11.02 | Spec | or kilometers, you never know. |
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| 14:11.11 | nothos | jetscreamer k3b doesn't see any drives |
| 14:11.25 | nothos | none of my cdroms or other 3 hard drives are being found |
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| 14:11.33 | JoeX | Does anyone know how I can change the serial number of my self signed certificates in stable? |
| 14:11.37 | nothos | but the installer saw them find |
| 14:11.43 | nothos | fine rather |
| 14:11.44 | edt | how do you tell debian you hava java installed and do NOT want it to install kaffe (which will not work with the java apps I have) |
| 14:11.57 | asg | edt: create dummy packages with equivs |
| 14:12.03 | asg | edt: or /msg dpkg install java |
| 14:12.06 | jetscreamer | JoeX, it doesn't work like that i don't believe |
| 14:12.08 | Covener | Shadur: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=blah.jpg i believe is the other header |
| 14:12.23 | emiim | anyone here used xorg packages from unofficial repo (apt-get.org) ? Any problems with that package ? |
| 14:12.30 | directhex | edt, apt-get install java-virtual-machine-dummy |
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| 14:12.32 | dondelelcaro | using the wrong mime-type is pretty much broken though... |
| 14:12.33 | JoeX | jetscreamer: my cert just expired. What's the "debian way" of generating a new one? |
| 14:12.37 | Shadur | Covener: Woo, thanks. Time for perlscripting. |
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| 14:12.42 | valdyn__ | steve: grub doesn't need to be told what is root, it can figure that out itself via /etc/fstab, you are only telling the kernel |
| 14:12.57 | jetscreamer | JoeX, no idea. i use winblows adv server for that. |
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| 14:13.09 | steve | so should it be root for the kernel, i.e. /boot? |
| 14:13.15 | steve | or still the partition containing /? |
| 14:13.24 | valdyn__ | steve: ops: grub doesn't need to be told what is /boot, it can figure that out itself via /etc/fstab, you are only telling the kernel |
| 14:13.26 | steve | /boot is /dev/hda1, / is /dev/hda2 |
| 14:13.41 | edt | asg java is installed already. Do you have an example of creating dummy packages? |
| 14:13.43 | Rivest | i gave up on getting h/w raid to work. if i wanna choose s/w raid, which one should i choose? md or lvm @ the installer? |
| 14:13.54 | JoeX | I can regen a cert by blowing aay the old one and running dpkg-reconfigure uw-imapd-ssl, but the newly generated cert has the same serial as the previous, expired one. |
| 14:14.01 | asg | edt: install java-common, there are dummy equivs control files you can tailor in there |
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| 14:14.12 | edt | directhex I have aready done this but aptitude sitll wants kaffe |
| 14:14.19 | jetscreamer | nothos, what you need to do is examine how your functional cdrom and hd's are set up, like ls -l /dev/hd* ls -l /dev/cd* ... check symlinks and stuff, and mountpoints |
| 14:14.21 | JoeX | er, aay=away |
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| 14:14.29 | valdyn__ | steve: this line is for grub, it can lookup fstab from there: root (hd2,0) |
| 14:14.35 | edt | asg looking at java-common |
| 14:15.00 | jetscreamer | i can't believe openoffice cloned the paperclip |
| 14:15.13 | nothos | jetscreamer i have they're just not being detected, something is missing, dmesg lists no reference to any ide drives |
| 14:15.20 | nothos | only my scsi stuff |
| 14:15.20 | asg | jetscreamer: It would have been better if they'd clone the pissed of parrot |
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| 14:15.28 | asg | s/of/off/ |
| 14:16.01 | edt | asg where are the equivs control files - do I have to expand and rebuild the package? |
| 14:16.08 | estel | anyone an idea why make-fai-nfsroot can't create a file when running? |
| 14:16.15 | asg | edt: they should be in /usr/share/doc/dummy-packages |
| 14:16.16 | jetscreamer | gtg werk |
| 14:16.30 | nothos | wish i'd done an lsmod during the install to see what modules it had loaded |
| 14:16.30 | edt | asg looking - thanks |
| 14:17.05 | lurchentsafter | Hi! How do I get an USB keyboard working when linux runs into maintainance mode? It's a sarge. |
| 14:17.08 | jetscreamer | nothos, apt-get install modconf then run it... you can browse, but not in a very effectual way |
| 14:17.16 | edt | asg there is no /usr/share/doc/dummy-packages dir here... |
| 14:17.22 | asg | edt: you running woody? |
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| 14:17.24 | jetscreamer | lurchentsafter, turn on dos usb support in bios |
| 14:17.33 | edt | sarge (testing) |
| 14:17.40 | edt | for the most part |
| 14:18.07 | asg | edt: /usr/share/doc/java-common/dummy-packages (sorry) |
| 14:18.51 | lurchentsafter | jetscreamer, it is, grub recognises the keyboard, but the stock kernel does not until corresponding modules have been loaded. |
| 14:18.58 | edt | asg <grin> |
| 14:19.04 | edt | thanks |
| 14:19.08 | asg | edt: you're welcome |
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| 14:20.00 | valdyn__ | lurchentsafter: youre going into maint mode directly from the bootmanager? |
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| 14:20.09 | JoeX | Does anyone have any ideas on my ssl issue? I REALLY don't want to go to all my client machines and delete an expired certificate every time my debian box's imapd ssl cert expires. |
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| 14:21.11 | asg | JoeX: use a local CA to generate certs, and the CA's key to each client then each new cert issued by your CA will be automatically validated by the clients. |
| 14:21.28 | lurchentsafter | valdyn__, nope. kernel's booting, when it comes to mounting disks, it states that i'll have to run fsck manually, which i cannot, because the usb modules have not been loading. |
| 14:22.55 | valdyn__ | lurchentsafter: tried starting hotplug or whatever manages your usb stuff from maint mode? |
| 14:23.31 | edt | asg that worked! THANKS |
| 14:23.35 | asg | edt: :) |
| 14:23.36 | jetscreamer | the usb kb support in bios is supposed to cure that... wtf |
| 14:24.16 | lurchentsafter | valdyn__, i cannot start _anything_, because my keyboard isn't working without the aforementioned modules. :-] |
| 14:24.46 | JoeX | asg: Should I submit a bug report? Should the default package setup only work for one year, after which you have to create a custom CA to generate certs? |
| 14:24.59 | lurchentsafter | jetscreamer, hmmm, bios shows, that it has legacy support... |
| 14:25.11 | valdyn__ | lurchentsafter: yea, duh. Youre gonna need another way to boot, like some cdrom |
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| 14:25.18 | JoeX | asg: I'll accept that I'm just ignorant and it isn't really a bug, so that's why I'm asking :) |
| 14:25.22 | asg | JoeX: no, there is not bug. If you have to manage a bunch of clients using self-signed certs, the recommended practice is to become your own CA for internal machines. |
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| 14:26.00 | valdyn__ | lurchentsafter: run something like knoppix and fsck from there |
| 14:26.34 | JoeX | asg: If that is the case, wouldn't it be better if they didn't generate a cert without asking? |
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| 14:26.38 | lurchentsafter | valdyn__, will try knoppix, thanx! |
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| 14:26.57 | JoeX | asg: Seems odd that I have to deal with it one year after I set it up, and my clients were using it successfully. |
| 14:26.57 | valdyn__ | jetscreamer: prolly not if ps2 keyboard support isnt compiled into the kernel |
| 14:27.22 | asg | JoeX: no, most people installing debian only need it in certain circumstances and for only one or two machines. (If you have a more enterprise level setup, you should look at more enterprise level tools and practices.) |
| 14:27.22 | FieldySnuts | @lart |
| 14:27.50 | asg | JoeX: also, the 1 year default is a nice conservative value. |
| 14:28.30 | asg | JoeX: if you don't want to go to the trouble of setting a CA up, but a cert from thawte or NS. |
| 14:28.34 | JoeX | asg: Ok. thanks for your help. Off to create a custom CA.. |
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| 14:28.42 | nothos | jetscreamer thanks man by using modconf i found it, i was missing cmd64 modules |
| 14:28.43 | asg | s/but/buy/ |
| 14:28.45 | nothos | it's all good now |
| 14:28.53 | nothos | thanks you for puttin up with me |
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