| 00:00.10 | cafuego | bob2: an awe is ISA |
| 00:00.12 | Bombo | nothing *sound* at all |
| 00:00.15 | nvz | the card says SB Awe 32 or something on the chipset, but lspci said esonic 1370 |
| 00:00.16 | cafuego | s/bob2/Bombo/ |
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| 00:00.55 | Bombo | cafuego: erm iirc it was pci ok i'll open the tower now and take a look ;) |
| 00:02.57 | cis_ | where can I find php5's deb packages for sid (not dotdeb)? |
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| 00:03.15 | bob2 | piotr had some test packages available |
| 00:03.22 | Thaiger | How do I extract files from an RPM? |
| 00:03.28 | simonrvn | alien |
| 00:03.36 | _frank | cadega? |
| 00:03.37 | bob2 | but I'd be using the move away from php4 as a good excuse to, well, move away from php* |
| 00:03.42 | Bombo | cafuego: okok its isa. |
| 00:03.53 | Bombo | *shock* |
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| 00:04.13 | cafuego | cis_: Why do you think you need php5? |
| 00:04.26 | maxian | Whats the best way to stream mp3s from a winxp computer to a linux server - with minimul lag? |
| 00:04.30 | Nyle | how does one say in spanish, "This should not happen!", freetranslation.com is not working out, does anyone know? |
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| 00:04.40 | cafuego | maxian: gigabit ethernet |
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| 00:04.48 | StefaN^ | hello |
| 00:04.50 | cafuego | !realspanish Nyle |
| 00:04.51 | dpkg | Nyle: está usted oculto así como retardado? |
| 00:04.57 | maxian | cafuego - thats it? |
| 00:05.01 | Nyle | huh? |
| 00:05.22 | Bombo | i understood just 'retardado' ;) |
| 00:05.30 | Nyle | if you don't know, or cannot help, lay off the fucking sarcasm |
| 00:05.31 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:06.01 | cafuego | Nyle: #debian-es knows spanish. |
| 00:06.06 | Nyle | ahh |
| 00:06.10 | Nyle | thank you, i'll try there |
| 00:06.17 | Nyle | I wish there were better translation sites |
| 00:06.19 | Nyle | :/ |
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| 00:06.32 | cafuego | try babblefish |
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| 00:06.44 | cis_ | cefuego: for study |
| 00:06.46 | cafuego | That's where I got that factoid ;-) |
| 00:06.47 | Nyle | ahh, let me google that one |
| 00:06.55 | cafuego | babelfish.altavista.com |
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| 00:07.08 | Mad-Duck | lo |
| 00:07.20 | nvz | Nyle: esto no debe suceder, means "this does not have to happen" |
| 00:07.28 | Nyle | ahh |
| 00:07.38 | Nyle | thank you nvz, that should work |
| 00:07.41 | maxian | how can I find the pid of a process? |
| 00:07.47 | Bombo | Probing legacy cards.. This may take a few minutes.. |
| 00:07.49 | Bombo | Probing: opl3sa2 |
| 00:07.59 | cyberia | helooo, i need help! my diskspace is getting getting smaller and smaller and i have not installed anything recently. How would i find where the bulk of my disk is being used? |
| 00:08.09 | Bombo | there was no sbawe in the list... just sb16 and sb8 |
| 00:08.12 | cis_ | bob2: could You tell me address (php5 packages)? |
| 00:08.20 | bob2 | cis_: no |
| 00:08.39 | nvz | cafuego: bah thats not text-mode friendly |
| 00:08.45 | cyberia | is their any way to see like a graphical distribution of how much diskspace is being used and where? |
| 00:08.59 | cyberia | non-graphical even.. |
| 00:09.05 | scarynetworkguy | cyberia: df |
| 00:09.12 | cis_ | so, where can I get them? |
| 00:09.19 | nvz | cafuego: google.com/language_tools I think it is |
| 00:09.33 | cyberia | well, more precise then the diskspace of my entire disk? |
| 00:10.16 | bob2 | cis_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html |
| 00:10.20 | scarynetworkguy | cyberia: type df in a cli. |
| 00:10.58 | cis_ | thx |
| 00:11.33 | maxian | how can I figure out what apps are listening on what port? |
| 00:11.42 | cyberia | scarynetworkguy: cli? |
| 00:11.45 | bob2 | 'sudo netstat -pluant' |
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| 00:11.47 | Zap-W | Hi |
| 00:12.14 | scarynetworkguy | maxian: netstat -anpA inet |
| 00:12.22 | Zap-W | hi , PREROUTING works only for forwaded packets , or locally generated?? in iptables |
| 00:12.34 | maxian | thanks |
| 00:12.44 | Zap-W | you welcome |
| 00:12.45 | scarynetworkguy | maxian: You need to be root. |
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| 00:13.14 | bob2 | Zap-W: I'm pretty sure the iptables docs say that |
| 00:13.14 | scarynetworkguy | maxian: And please FFS read the netstat manpage and understand that before you do it. |
| 00:13.18 | Thaiger | how do I extract files for a jar file? |
| 00:13.27 | Thaiger | I tried jar -x but it just sits there |
| 00:13.39 | bob2 | unzip blah.jar |
| 00:13.50 | Thaiger | thanks |
| 00:14.23 | Zap-W | bob2: nah |
| 00:14.31 | andax | how to lock users to their homedir? (only needed for ppl logging on using ssh) |
| 00:14.32 | Zap-W | bob2: and why are you so quick to direct me to the manual |
| 00:14.40 | cyberia | ?? cli |
| 00:14.51 | bob2 | Zap-W: yes, it does in fact say that |
| 00:14.56 | karsten | andax: restricted shell. man bash, rsh |
| 00:15.02 | andax | thanks |
| 00:15.03 | bob2 | Zap-W: because you always come to IRC before looking stuff up yourself |
| 00:15.03 | Zap-W | bob2: say what exactly |
| 00:15.05 | Gumby | can anyone tell me where I put new fonts in debian so that kde sees them automatically |
| 00:15.10 | karsten | andax: What do you want users to be able to do? |
| 00:15.12 | bob2 | Gumby: which kde? |
| 00:15.14 | Zap-W | that aint true |
| 00:15.23 | andax | karsten: i don't want them to be able to change to each other's homedir |
| 00:15.31 | Gumby | bob2: 3.3.1 |
| 00:15.41 | bob2 | Gumby: ~/.fonts/ |
| 00:15.42 | karsten | andax: You can set homedirs to be user-access only: chmod 700 /home/* |
| 00:15.46 | Gumby | bob2: system wide |
| 00:15.49 | karsten | bob2: Really? |
| 00:16.02 | risky | Nyle, just noticed you got a wrong advice on debian-es... that should be "Esto no deberia ocurrir", not "Esto no deberia ocurril" |
| 00:16.10 | Gumby | bob2: and can I allow defoma to manage them? |
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| 00:16.19 | Nyle | ahh |
| 00:16.21 | andax | karsten: so user A wont see user B's files right? |
| 00:16.22 | Nyle | ok, thanks again |
| 00:16.24 | karsten | andax: Usually group perms works as well, so 770 is another possible mode. There's a systemwide configuration for that. |
| 00:16.27 | karsten | andax: Yes. |
| 00:16.34 | bob2 | Gumby: /usr/local/share/fonts/, I guess then |
| 00:16.35 | andax | great, thanks |
| 00:16.39 | karsten | andax: ...unless A chmods their home so B can access it. |
| 00:16.42 | bob2 | Gumby: I don't think defoma will do anything useful with them |
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| 00:17.02 | karsten | andax: rsh (restricted shell, not remote...) is rather more limited than that. |
| 00:17.23 | karsten | andax: ...it lets users *only* access their own home directory, with *no* parent or child directories accessible. |
| 00:17.24 | IRCMonkey | Hi there, what are you thinking about the Grsecurity-Patch ? |
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| 00:17.40 | karsten | andax: Note that there's a lot of data leakage possible through things like 'w' or 'ps'. |
| 00:17.49 | andax | karsten: if they have no access to other dirs like /bin, how can they run programs like /bin/ls ..? |
| 00:18.26 | andax | yes i know, i'm also searching for some other ps binary that will only list the user's own processes |
| 00:18.27 | karsten | andax: With rsh, you have to create a bin, generally root-writeable only, and put the programs in there you want them to be able to run. Users can't change their $PATH. |
| 00:18.39 | karsten | andax: ...you can create thet files as symlinks FWIW. |
| 00:19.03 | andax | looks like i need rsh |
| 00:19.05 | IRCMonkey | What are you thinking, will the Grsecurity-Patch make my System much more secure ? |
| 00:19.17 | bob2 | IRCMonkey: no |
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| 00:19.37 | IRCMonkey | bob2: What are you thinking about the patch ? |
| 00:19.39 | bob2 | Zap-W: the man page mentions it, too |
| 00:19.39 | maxian | what can I Use to continuasly listen to a stream even if the stream stops? (shoutcast) |
| 00:19.44 | maxian | mpg321 disconects for some reason |
| 00:19.48 | bob2 | Zap-W: the answer is 'no' |
| 00:19.49 | karsten | andax: What do you want your users to be able to do? |
| 00:19.54 | bob2 | maxian: so restart it |
| 00:20.08 | bob2 | IRCMonkey: that it can be useful but there are more important things to do first |
| 00:20.08 | karsten | andax: One alternative is to create a menu-driven system such that they can do specific activities, but _only_ those activities. |
| 00:20.21 | maxian | bob2 - I want it to keep working though and not stop |
| 00:20.23 | karsten | andax: Question is whether or not you trust your users. |
| 00:20.31 | bob2 | maxian: awesome! |
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| 00:20.51 | andax | kersten: i want them to have full access to their home dir, run a few basic commands i specify, they should see only own processes in ps aux, that's all. |
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| 00:21.01 | IRCMonkey | bob2: Ok have you got a good weblink? I've to make my server secure an in a howto was the tip to set up the Grsecurity-Patch... |
| 00:21.13 | karsten | andax: How many users? |
| 00:21.22 | andax | karsten: few dozen |
| 00:21.35 | spilo | does anyone know if it' p[ossible to install a font from windows on linux? |
| 00:21.43 | karsten | andax: What I've done in past is create a menu-driven system. Users can edit files, run some simple programs. It's pretty B&D, but may fit. |
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| 00:21.52 | karsten | spilo: Yes, it is. |
| 00:21.55 | Bombo | jintxo: works |
| 00:22.04 | bob2 | Zap-W: also, http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Installing+Tomcat+on+port+80+with+iptables |
| 00:22.05 | Bombo | where is he |
| 00:22.11 | karsten | spilo: TTF fonts work great. The msttcorefonts package installs a number of core MSFT fonts, Frex. |
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| 00:22.32 | karsten | andax: It's a balance between flexibility and security. |
| 00:22.36 | antiPoP | hi people |
| 00:22.37 | mohohaha | i suggest you install windows ttf fonts to freebsd. looks better |
| 00:22.39 | IRCMonkey | Is there a way to set up my server that it don't listen on UDP Packages ??? |
| 00:22.41 | spilo | I have a font from windows that I want to install on linux.. |
| 00:22.43 | andax | karsten: thanks for all the tips, i'll go and read about this restricted shell, that should be what I need |
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| 00:22.50 | spilo | how would i do it? |
| 00:22.54 | Bombo | ok nvidia 6629 and alsa 1.0.7 is working now on my sarge with kernel 2.6.8 ;) |
| 00:22.55 | karsten | IRCMonkey: iptables. |
| 00:22.59 | Bombo | finally. |
| 00:23.00 | bob2 | IRCMonkey: dude |
| 00:23.05 | Bombo | good night. |
| 00:23.08 | bob2 | IRCMonkey: you need to go learn a bit about how networks work |
| 00:23.11 | mohohaha | spilo, procedure is in handbook |
| 00:23.11 | Zap-W | bob2: from the docs you understand PREROUTING cant be used for locally generated packets? |
| 00:23.11 | karsten | IRCMonkey: And you'll want to allow some UDP traffic. |
| 00:23.27 | bob2 | IRCMonkey: if you're not running a service on a port, you're not running a service on a port. |
| 00:23.33 | spilo | I have msttcorefonts already.. but there is on specific font from win that I want to install here |
| 00:23.35 | bob2 | IRCMonkey: there's nothing to attack, firewalling it is pointless |
| 00:23.37 | antiPoP | im trying to compile a program, with gcc i use a library that its installed in /usr/include, but gcc dont find it |
| 00:23.41 | antiPoP | any ideaS? |
| 00:23.43 | karsten | andax: It's covered mostly in the default bash manual. 'rsh' is really 'bash -r' |
| 00:23.45 | mohohaha | spilo, i installed all fonts in windows |
| 00:24.04 | bob2 | antiPoP: libraries don't go in /usr/include/ |
| 00:24.09 | antiPoP | well |
| 00:24.13 | mohohaha | just grab font file from windows |
| 00:24.17 | zumbi | hello, i am upgrading kernel 2.4 to 2.6.9 and i get an error : "error: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" Do you known why ? or how to solve it ? i have been reading to change grub config to #root (hd1,0) , but haven't tried it yet. |
| 00:24.22 | cafuego | Why hasn't the kernel-image maintainer worked over xmas and made me a 2.6.10 kernel? Hmm? |
| 00:24.28 | spilo | mohohaha: can oyu tell me how to do it or give me a refference? |
| 00:24.34 | bob2 | zumbi: you built your own kernel? |
| 00:24.39 | antiPoP | it a deb package frommy teachres, it instaled the library there |
| 00:24.41 | mohohaha | spilo, google |
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| 00:24.45 | IRCMonkey | I gonna set up just a Webserver... I think I need no UDP or ? I'm sorry because I know not very much... |
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| 00:24.57 | zumbi | bob2, form kernel-source |
| 00:25.00 | nexx | when an application screen locked how can i look what is problem ? |
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| 00:25.12 | zumbi | i use make-kpkg |
| 00:25.13 | bob2 | antiPoP: the package is broken then |
| 00:25.20 | antiPoP | ok |
| 00:25.22 | antiPoP | thanks |
| 00:25.28 | maxian | Ok heres what I wnat to do... I have my linux server connected to my stereo - I want to stream mp3s from my WinXP machine to the linux server... what is the best way of doing this do you think? (and have it be little to none latency/lag |
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| 00:25.37 | bob2 | zumbi: you configured it wrong, try again. make sure you have support for your root filesystem and IDE or SCSI controller *in* the kernel |
| 00:25.44 | bob2 | maxian: nfs mount |
| 00:25.49 | bob2 | but if the server goes down, you lose |
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| 00:25.53 | antiPoP | i'll work with the scholl computers via ssh, but i prefferded to work here |
| 00:26.06 | bob2 | you could try moving it to /usr/lib |
| 00:26.16 | bob2 | or modifying your build system to look for libs in /usr/include/ (ew) |
| 00:26.20 | booby | hi bob2 |
| 00:26.23 | zumbi | bob2, it's my second time, i do it.. :-/ |
| 00:26.25 | antiPoP | mmm |
| 00:26.35 | maxian | bob2 - I dont want to mount the mp3s on the server... I want to stream them from the windows computer |
| 00:26.40 | antiPoP | seems to work for me |
| 00:26.48 | antiPoP | ill work via ssh |
| 00:26.58 | bob2 | maxian: ok |
| 00:26.58 | antiPoP | thanks anyway |
| 00:27.01 | IRCMonkey | When I gonna run a Webserver. Do I need UDP Network Packages, why ? |
| 00:27.10 | cafuego | IRCMonkey: No. You need tcp/80 |
| 00:27.13 | maxian | Any other ideas? |
| 00:27.24 | IRCMonkey | cafuego: yes.. sure |
| 00:28.13 | spilo | what if I just paste fontinto /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont will it work? |
| 00:28.18 | andax | karsten: can you also help me with "ps aux"? I want users to only see their own processes, but root should see everything. ideas? |
| 00:28.34 | IRCMonkey | bob2: I'm sorry because im getting your time... But have you got a Weblink what I should do before I set up a Grsecurity-Patch? |
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| 00:29.25 | bob2 | Zap-W: yes |
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| 00:29.41 | cafuego | andax: There's a patch set that restricts access in /proc. Do a google search. |
| 00:30.14 | bob2 | bah, woke up at 6am, now I'm tired again and it's only 1130 |
| 00:30.21 | andax | cafuego: thanks |
| 00:30.24 | nvz | well I have had this nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200 Ultra] (rev a1), working for about 2 days now and havent tested it to see how it measures up to what I've been used to on here, the nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] (rev 15) |
| 00:30.26 | cafuego | too much drinking eh |
| 00:30.39 | Hoolie | if Mmap runs out of room when i attempt to apt update.. what's wrong? |
| 00:30.45 | cafuego | !dynamic mmap |
| 00:30.45 | dpkg | somebody said dynamic mmap was "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 00:31.02 | J1 | Hello. I'm having some problems with my RADEON 7000VE graphics card. In the X Window, sometimes it enables DRI and sometimes it doesn't. The 3D acceleration *does* work but it just happens that sometimes DRI isn't enable. Does anyone here knows why is this happening? TIA |
| 00:31.16 | Zap-W | bob2: there is a problem with marking locally generated packets and the kernel choosing the right source IP if using multipath |
| 00:31.39 | bob2 | Zap-W: ok |
| 00:31.44 | Zap-W | bob2: how did you find that webpage , i've spent hours of google searching about my problem .. |
| 00:31.58 | Zap-W | tried , LArtc mailing list netfilter ..etc |
| 00:32.12 | bob2 | Zap-W: 'PREROUTING iptables local enerated' or something |
| 00:32.59 | Zap-W | the solution they offer is to use SNAT and --to-source , but it breaks a few things |
| 00:33.00 | simonrvn | Zap-W: your search-engine-fu is lacking, grasshopper |
| 00:33.02 | karsten | andax: You'd have to replace ps with a defanged version. I'm not sure of one off the top. |
| 00:33.16 | karsten | andax: You could simply not provide them with a ps. |
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| 00:33.21 | Zap-W | simonrvn: grasshopper? |
| 00:33.35 | Hoolie | im getting senile over here.. what was the command for make file again? |
| 00:33.50 | cafuego | Zap-W: a cocktail (not a very nice one) |
| 00:33.58 | srinooo | Can any body help me with trouble shootin my sound configuration |
| 00:34.13 | simonrvn | !troubleshoot srinooo |
| 00:34.32 | karsten | !tell srinooo about sound |
| 00:34.47 | nexx | can i trip between tabs with a shortkey ? |
| 00:34.54 | nexx | on firefox :) |
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| 00:35.03 | andax | karsten: looks like a user can still perform cd / using rbash with mc.. :) is there a way around it? |
| 00:35.21 | Credan | Hello |
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| 00:35.56 | andax | and if there is, what if they compile their own program that will go out from their home? |
| 00:36.08 | srinooo | karsten: I have checked all the stuff but seems i'm doing the right thing |
| 00:36.12 | cafuego | andax: chroot |
| 00:36.13 | maxian | I mounted a samba drive... but now when I enter it and type ls I get permision denied |
| 00:36.20 | simonrvn | chmod your files, or chroot them |
| 00:36.26 | karsten | andax: rbash restricts what you can do *from the shell*. You have to provide a limited set of utilities as well. |
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| 00:36.42 | andax | oh okay i got it:) |
| 00:36.45 | karsten | andax: Specifically: you can run programs as shell-outs from other programs. |
| 00:36.51 | Credan | does anyone know any serial modems that will work with Debian? |
| 00:37.01 | simonrvn | non-winmodems |
| 00:37.08 | cafuego | Credan: Any modem that's not a winmodem |
| 00:37.19 | cafuego | Credan: And some that are (but they suck, don't use them anyway) |
| 00:37.27 | Credan | I cant find any non winmodems though |
| 00:37.37 | Credan | unless I get a really old computer |
| 00:37.44 | karsten | andax: So: set user shell to rbash. Specify $PATH. Make sure that $PATH contains only a set of programs you want to allow *and* that it isn't user-writeable. |
| 00:37.44 | andax | Credan: all of them should work except PCI winmodems, even some of the winmodems work, see www.linmodems.org or .com maybe |
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| 00:38.03 | Credan | ok |
| 00:38.04 | cafuego | Credan: Get an external serial 56k modem box. SHould not be a winmodem. |
| 00:38.10 | karsten | srinooo: Describe what you've done, what HW you have, and what's not working. Tell it to the channel, it's not my strong suit. |
| 00:38.27 | karsten | Credan: External modem's still your best bet. |
| 00:38.32 | maxian | And when I try to umount it it says permision denied... but when I type mount it is listed there |
| 00:38.47 | karsten | maxian: fuser -vm <mountpoint> |
| 00:39.05 | maxian | permision denied |
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| 00:39.14 | karsten | maxian: Hrm. Bad news. |
| 00:39.31 | maxian | fun |
| 00:39.40 | srinooo | Sound troubleshooting: Checked the hard info, I have a VIA VT82** ac97 controller, It was working fine before, after installing mplayer i guess it went bad |
| 00:39.44 | maher | is the current version of php4 in stable vuln to the recent php holes? |
| 00:39.46 | Phated | You're not allowed to umount except as root, no? |
| 00:39.52 | Credan | Ok, I also have a second question about using a old computer with a CD drive and a 10GB Hard Drive, is it possible for it to work if I cahnge out the power supply (The computer is pre-PCI slot) |
| 00:39.59 | Credan | change* |
| 00:40.00 | maher | Phated: unless you have user in fstab |
| 00:40.04 | karsten | maxian: It's possible you've got a process holding it open. |
| 00:40.05 | TheBlueWizard | Credan: if you don't mind slower speed plus buying used cards, such 33.6Kbps modems tend to work with Linux too |
| 00:40.08 | karsten | maxian: ...is the remote side up? |
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| 00:40.16 | simonrvn | maher: shouldn't be if it's been updated |
| 00:40.18 | maxian | karsten ? |
| 00:40.23 | Credan | ok |
| 00:40.28 | srinooo | dsp devices or audio devices not found |
| 00:40.29 | Phated | maher: All right. |
| 00:40.32 | Hoolie | that value is in bits bytes or kb? |
| 00:40.40 | srinooo | karsten:dsp devices or audio devices not found |
| 00:40.43 | Hoolie | this heap of crud only has 32mb of ram |
| 00:40.43 | karsten | maxian: You're on a Linux box with a remote Samba share mounted on it? |
| 00:40.59 | maxian | yea |
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| 00:41.37 | cblack | i'm using the 2.6.10 kernel and xfree86 doesn't load the radeon kernel module anymore when i startx. i've looked at ~/.xsession-errors and the XFree86.log and didn't see any obvious errors. anyone have any tips on where else i can look to see why it isn't getting used any longer? |
| 00:41.47 | srinooo | kartsen: Atleast can you tell me how all these devices and modules work, I'm not sure if i have to troubleshoot the mixer or audio or .. |
| 00:43.08 | maher | simonrvn: stable has 4.1.2-7, but there are some recent advisories out (against 4.3.10 - which have been fixed intesting/unstable) |
| 00:43.32 | karsten | srinooo: Sounds like your modules aren't loaded. |
| 00:43.36 | simonrvn | maher: yes, but you know woody gets security updates |
| 00:43.41 | maher | cblack: do you have a radeon kernel module for 2.6.10? |
| 00:43.46 | karsten | Hoolie: Talk to me when you've got 12K core. |
| 00:44.00 | simonrvn | maher: checik the DSA, check your inbox |
| 00:44.21 | maher | simonrvn: yes - but erich schubert's blog claims they haven't got round to it yet |
| 00:44.21 | karsten | srinooo: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 00:44.30 | karsten | srinooo: That's your sound card. |
| 00:44.34 | srinooo | it says undown device |
| 00:44.42 | srinooo | karsten: it says undown device |
| 00:44.51 | srinooo | karsten: I do see the audio device |
| 00:44.51 | karsten | srinooo: Paste the whole line |
| 00:45.02 | simonrvn | maher: icky. must be backlogged or something. |
| 00:45.10 | maxian | karsten - get any ideas? |
| 00:45.17 | srinooo | karsten: 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 40) |
| 00:45.19 | karsten | srinooo: ...if you don't get results from that, shut down, open your case, pull your sound card, and write down the chip identifiers. Then Google them. |
| 00:45.23 | simonrvn | karsten: i'll paste you somthing in a few minutes. |
| 00:45.29 | karsten | srinooo: OK. Google that line. |
| 00:45.38 | cblack | maher: i compiled the one with 2.6.10, yes. |
| 00:45.41 | karsten | simonrvn: ?? |
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| 00:46.05 | maher | cblack: can you load it manually? |
| 00:46.11 | simonrvn | karsten: a small snippet of a web server log. amusing to see actually |
| 00:46.22 | cblack | maher: yep. i've done that and then done startx and it still isn't being used. |
| 00:46.26 | karsten | maxian: reboot will clear your mountpoints. It's also possible you can bounce the remote side of the share to bring it up. |
| 00:46.51 | maher | cblack: umm... i dunno then - what sort of error do you get? |
| 00:46.53 | srinooo | karsten: They had module for that audio in the current kernel, I used modconf to load the via82** module |
| 00:47.04 | karsten | srinooo: lsmod | grep via82 |
| 00:47.08 | karsten | srinooo: Does it show loaded? |
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| 00:47.47 | srinooo | karsten: yeah it is loaded |
| 00:47.51 | cblack | maher: i don't get any errors at all. though glxinfo tells extension "XFree86-DRI" is missing. though i've got the DRI section of XF86Config-4 setup like it's always been. |
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| 00:49.02 | karsten | srinooo: check dmesg to see if you got any kernel messages when you loaded the module. |
| 00:49.22 | maher | cblack: ok - i dunno |
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| 00:49.46 | maher | simonrvn: bah - diff php 4.3.9 to 4.3.10 is 800K |
| 00:50.10 | simonrvn | maher: heh |
| 00:50.11 | srinooo | karsten: No nothing in dmesg |
| 00:50.16 | karsten | srinooo: OK. |
| 00:50.19 | orion1 | Someone know how to play 'line-in' or 'mic' live in Debian like unchecking 'Mute' in windows does? |
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| 00:50.53 | maher | orion1: if you use alsa try aumix |
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| 00:51.37 | nav5 | question: I have debian installation cd's with the 2.4 kernel. If I want the latest kernel do I have to get installation cd's with 2.6 kernel or can I just update the kernel after installation ? |
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| 00:52.01 | maher | nav5: you can just update after istall |
| 00:52.09 | orion1 | maher: no also here, does it offer that capability? |
| 00:52.10 | srinooo | karsten: how do i know thats right driver |
| 00:52.12 | nav5 | ah ok, thanks |
| 00:53.27 | spilo | ok.. I need help.. google has not been vey helpful.. because I am a newbie.. I need hel with 2 thing.. eather one.. how would i install fonts on Debian? I have BDF files just downloaded and how can i easyly make windows ttf font work in linux? |
| 00:53.38 | maher | orion1: maybe aumix works with oss too? try it and see |
| 00:54.08 | karsten | srinooo: modprobe sound soundcore uart401 ac97_codec via82cxxx_audio |
| 00:54.11 | karsten | srinooo: Try that. |
| 00:54.26 | karsten | srinooo: Google the fucking lspci line like I told you and I just did myself. |
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| 00:55.18 | Zap-W | what happens if i dont use iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j CONNMARK --restore-mark |
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| 00:55.21 | maher | spilo: i think there is some debian package which will grab the windows ttf fonts for you |
| 00:55.46 | Phated | ttfcorefonts, perhaps. |
| 00:55.54 | Phated | Ssmething like that. |
| 00:56.23 | spilo | do you know which one maher? |
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| 00:56.35 | karsten | Phated: msttcorefonts |
| 00:56.44 | karsten | Phated: what's shakin'? |
| 00:56.45 | Phated | Tell spilo. |
| 00:56.51 | Phated | karsten: Nothing. |
| 00:56.52 | karsten | spilo: msttcorefonts |
| 00:57.30 | karsten | Phated: sg's outside the shake'n'wash? |
| 00:58.04 | spilo | I have installed msttcorefonts.. they dont contain one that I need.. there is one Unicode font called sylfaen.. I need that one.. |
| 00:58.15 | Phated | karsten: Oh for christ's sake yes. I'm still HERE aren't I and it's getting annoying. |
| 00:58.22 | spilo | or.. i need to install some bdf fonts that i have right here |
| 00:58.29 | spilo | please help |
| 00:58.40 | karsten | Phated: Sorry for caring. |
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| 00:58.53 | Phated | karsten: Don't bother. |
| 00:58.56 | karsten | Phated: ...glad to hear it though. |
| 00:59.20 | orion1 | maher: it doesn't with OSS. do you know if it can be done with alsa? none of the mixers I've tried have any such option |
| 00:59.22 | karsten | spilo: You using defoma? |
| 00:59.39 | spilo | defoma? |
| 00:59.46 | karsten | spilo: dpkg --get-selections | grep defoma |
| 00:59.47 | spilo | I dont know what you are talking about.. |
| 01:00.15 | maher | orion1: some mixer will work - try apt-cache search mixer |
| 01:00.18 | simonrvn | apt-cache show defoma |
| 01:00.51 | karsten | !seen bob2 |
| 01:00.52 | dpkg | bob2 is currently on #debian (1h 15m 26s) #debian-women (1h 15m 26s) #debian-ops (1h 15m 26s). Has said a total of 73087 messages. Is idling for 18m 19s |
| 01:00.57 | bob2 | ? |
| 01:01.05 | karsten | bob2: You got a font howto guide somewhere? |
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| 01:01.18 | spilo | dpkg: unknown option --get-sellections |
| 01:01.19 | dpkg | spilo: bugger all, i dunno |
| 01:01.24 | kurumin | hi |
| 01:01.27 | Bols | !seen Bols |
| 01:01.27 | dpkg | bols is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 117 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 01:01.31 | Phated | spilo: Because you can't type. |
| 01:01.50 | Phated | Or read. One of those. |
| 01:02.02 | karsten | spilo: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 01:02.10 | spilo | defoma install |
| 01:02.10 | spilo | it sayes |
| 01:02.20 | karsten | spilo: The problem is the font stuff keeps changing, URL just posted is bob2's, should cover you. |
| 01:02.31 | karsten | spilo: Yes, you're using defoma, then. |
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| 01:02.45 | spilo | so what is deoma all about then? |
| 01:03.05 | simonrvn | apt-cache show defoma |
| 01:03.07 | dogmeat | which package is a decent audio file converter, e.g. au to wav ? |
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| 01:03.28 | simonrvn | mv |
| 01:03.30 | maher | dogmeat: sox? |
| 01:03.38 | dogmeat | maher: thanks |
| 01:03.39 | karsten | spilo: RTFD |
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| 01:03.45 | optic__ | is it always really bad when a disk drive makes a clacking sort of sound? |
| 01:03.50 | maher | optic__: yes |
| 01:04.06 | pingouin | dogmeat, ffmpeg can do that (even if it's done for video) |
| 01:04.08 | spilo | RTFD? |
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| 01:04.12 | optic__ | it did it a few times before when there was really high disk activity but hasn't for a while |
| 01:04.15 | maher | optic__: unless the drive is my sony laptop drive in which case its just fine |
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| 01:04.41 | optic__ | maher: this is a toshiba 60GB 2 1/2 " inside a thinkpad |
| 01:04.57 | spilo | why si everything so complicated..I have been trying to disp[lay a damn character for whole day... |
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| 01:05.08 | maher | optic__: what sort of noise - like click clack just once? |
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| 01:05.30 | maher | spilo: something to do with the gnostic heresy i think |
| 01:05.35 | optic__ | maher: lot of spinning, then a one or a few clacks then normal spinning again |
| 01:05.51 | maher | optic__: hmm... dunno - look for disc errors in /var/log |
| 01:06.01 | karsten | spilo: I think it's actually simple, the problem is that the underlying fonts system in Linux keeps changing, and I don't keep up with it. I'm reading on it ATM> |
| 01:06.19 | karsten | spilo: I remembered bob2's page as being both recent and likely accurate, which is why I sent you there. |
| 01:06.21 | optic__ | maher: i did see an error relating to dma and hda, but no sense_key errors or anything like that |
| 01:06.28 | maher | optic__: what error |
| 01:06.32 | spilo | thank you |
| 01:07.49 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 01:07.54 | optic__ | maher: this was under 2.6.10 |
| 01:08.10 | optic__ | maher: but then i heard the clack sounds again under 2.6.9 but didn't see anything in the logs |
| 01:08.18 | optic__ | here is the 2.6.10 log entries: |
| 01:08.24 | maher | optic__: maybe nothing much - i assume you make regular backups |
| 01:08.26 | optic__ | hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 |
| 01:08.33 | shmike | what is the best prog to use like kazaa? |
| 01:08.34 | optic__ | hda: DMA timeout error |
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| 01:08.38 | ixi-deb05 | hi all |
| 01:08.42 | optic__ | hda: dma timeout error: status=0xd0 { Busy } |
| 01:08.48 | optic__ | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 01:08.56 | Bols | shmike: mldonkey |
| 01:09.02 | shmike | ty |
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| 01:09.12 | karsten | Fonts question: testing/unstable with defoma. I've got a FontPath line in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for local fonts and just copy stuff under there. Should they Just Work? FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType" |
| 01:09.14 | optic__ | shit i should do this in #FLOOD |
| 01:09.20 | maher | optic__: dunno - make backups - worry if it happens lots |
| 01:09.26 | karsten | optic__: Quite. |
| 01:09.31 | sussudio | optic__: what does the kernel have to do with your harddisk dying? |
| 01:09.37 | cafuego | !lart the weather |
| 01:09.41 | optic__ | i will paste it in #FLOOD if anyone wants to venture a guess |
| 01:09.50 | cis_____ | I have a few php.ini files. How can I check which php use? |
| 01:09.51 | sussudio | cafuego: -3.5C here |
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| 01:10.02 | ixi-deb05 | Offtopic question to USA ppl. What is URL of international postal office? I need to review prices :) |
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| 01:10.23 | sussudio | !fgi ixi-deb05 international postal office |
| 01:10.23 | dpkg | ixi-deb05: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=international postal office |
| 01:10.41 | maher | ixi-deb05: i don't think there is an international post office - there are just post offices in each country |
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| 01:10.59 | cafuego | sussudio: Raining and windy here. Just shitful. it was 35+C the other day :-( |
| 01:11.15 | cafuego | crappy antarctic weather |
| 01:11.26 | sussudio | cafuego: at least you won't have to put up with the firework fucktards. |
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| 01:11.28 | bob2 | 24C here, not too bad |
| 01:11.33 | bob2 | also, nandos is crap |
| 01:11.41 | cafuego | sussudio: Someone blew themselves up in Adelaide 2 days ago. |
| 01:11.48 | ixi-deb05 | sussudio: hell, true! :)) I entered many search lines but not this one :) Thanks actually, its USPS - I recall it :) |
| 01:11.50 | cafuego | bob2: It is? |
| 01:12.04 | bob2 | cafuego: yes |
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| 01:12.51 | bob2 | did it hit WA at all? |
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| 01:13.46 | cafuego | maybe not a HUGE one, but still |
| 01:13.48 | ixi-deb05 | Can dpkg bot convert kilograms to pounds? I vote for such ability :) |
| 01:13.59 | cafuego | !convert 1 kg to lb |
| 01:14.00 | dpkg | 1 kg is approximately 2.20462 lb |
| 01:14.05 | cafuego | ixi-deb05: next! |
| 01:14.07 | greycat | heh |
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| 01:14.18 | ixi-deb05 | cafuego: cool!! :) |
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| 01:14.36 | J1 | !convert 34D to cm |
| 01:14.37 | dpkg | 34D cannot be converted to cm: Unknown unit 'D' |
| 01:14.47 | J1 | :( |
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| 01:15.00 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: In what universe? |
| 01:15.00 | dseomn | !convert 34dm to cm |
| 01:15.01 | dpkg | 34dm is approximately 340 cm |
| 01:15.02 | cafuego | !convert 1.604 km to mi |
| 01:15.04 | dpkg | 1.604 km is approximately 0.996679 mi |
| 01:15.07 | hettar | Is there a net install CD that lets you do a rescue boot ? The kernel on my other system seems to die halfway through the boot process |
| 01:15.11 | greycat | take it to /msg please |
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| 01:15.17 | scarynetworkguy | It's been 2.2 in this one for a very long time. |
| 01:15.20 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: The one where a pound is 500g all of (europe) |
| 01:15.26 | ixi-deb05 | !convert 1F to 1C |
| 01:15.27 | dpkg | 1F cannot be converted to 1C: conformability error |
| 01:15.34 | [KyReL] | hello |
| 01:15.36 | greycat | cafuego: please tell me you're kidding. |
| 01:15.38 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: Ahh. |
| 01:15.41 | cafuego | ixi-deb05: It doesn't do temperature, due to C being a Coulomb. |
| 01:15.46 | [KyReL] | can someone tell me what is debootstrap |
| 01:15.47 | [KyReL] | ? |
| 01:15.52 | greycat | kyncani: yes |
| 01:15.55 | cafuego | greycat: metric pound; 500g |
| 01:15.56 | greycat | oops |
| 01:15.58 | greycat | [KyReL]: yes |
| 01:15.58 | ixi-deb05 | !convert 1F to 1K |
| 01:15.59 | dpkg | 1F cannot be converted to 1K: conformability error |
| 01:16.20 | greycat | cafuego: what the FUCK is a 'metric pound'? |
| 01:16.20 | cafuego | F is Faraday |
| 01:16.20 | ixi-deb05 | What about Kelvin? :) |
| 01:16.20 | sussudio | ixi-deb05: umm stop being a dumbass |
| 01:16.20 | greycat | ixi-deb05: don't put a 1 on the destination, duh |
| 01:16.20 | [KyReL] | greycat, so ? |
| 01:16.20 | cafuego | greycat: A pound as used on the european mainland. |
| 01:16.28 | greycat | cafuego: well, then they're a bunch of idiots. |
| 01:16.37 | cafuego | greycat: They outvote you. Game over. |
| 01:16.53 | greycat | cafuego: I doubt they outvote the rest of the world |
| 01:17.00 | Phated | Metric! |
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| 01:17.04 | helloyo | bloody US, go metric! |
| 01:17.05 | greycat | a pound is NOT metric. |
| 01:17.11 | sussudio | Phated: any waves? |
| 01:17.17 | cafuego | greycat: Metric outvotes you any day of the week. |
| 01:17.17 | Phated | greycat: I meant "Use metric." |
| 01:17.17 | greycat | I'd love to see us go metric, but when we do, a pound will still be 16 ounces. |
| 01:17.21 | ixi-deb05 | sussudio: you evil actually |
| 01:17.23 | Phated | sussudio: www.channelnewsasia.com. |
| 01:17.39 | sussudio | :-| |
| 01:17.57 | cafuego | Having a pound that converts into and out of metric easily is MUCH handier. |
| 01:18.07 | Phated | Have to agree. |
| 01:18.14 | greycat | whichever batch of idiots decided to redefine a "pound" must know the batch of idiots that decided to redefine a "megabyte" as 10^6 bytes |
| 01:18.20 | cafuego | greycat: See, where I grew up an ounce was 100g, so you could fit 5 into a pound and 10 into a kilogram. |
| 01:18.27 | scarynetworkguy | But if you have gone metric why use pounds at all? |
| 01:18.30 | greycat | cafuego: you're an alien. |
| 01:18.37 | mlewis00 | hettar: Does it have to be a Netinstall CD? |
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| 01:18.44 | Phated | But I like cafuego's place. |
| 01:18.49 | J1 | !convert 1MiB MB |
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| 01:18.57 | Phated | If only for ease of conversion. |
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| 01:19.04 | hettar | mlewis00: No, I just didn't want to download a 600MB iso image |
| 01:19.04 | roo9 | what is the *proper* method to create a deb from a perl module? |
| 01:19.10 | cafuego | greycat: Undress and get onto the probulator. |
| 01:19.15 | greycat | roo9: that deb-perl-make thing |
| 01:19.15 | mlewis00 | hettar: http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 01:19.28 | greycat | apt-cache search --names-only make perl deb |
| 01:19.49 | roo9 | greycat: --names-only, cool |
| 01:20.00 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: People are used to weights in the vicinity of pounds and ounces. If you redefine them slightly, people cna keep using them and are a LOT more likely to work with the new system. |
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| 01:20.19 | greycat | cafuego: a 100 g ounce is NOT a slight redefinition. |
| 01:20.25 | greycat | an ounce is 28.4 grams |
| 01:20.29 | roo9 | greycat: that didn't work, but i found it, it's dh-make-perl thanks! |
| 01:20.34 | cafuego | greycat: where YOU live, yes. |
| 01:20.34 | greycat | roo9: bravo |
| 01:20.35 | hettar | mlewis00: Ok thanks, I'll give it a try |
| 01:20.46 | hrimfaxi | Does anyone know of a good download manager? |
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| 01:20.48 | greycat | cafuego: your country is broken. |
| 01:20.55 | greycat | you can't make up a new unit with the same name as an old unit! |
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| 01:20.58 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: I guess. But I've never really bought into incrementalism in any form. More a matter of opnion than anything. |
| 01:21.08 | cafuego | greycat: It has seemed to work fine. We'll switch back when we grow 8 fingers on each hand. |
| 01:21.09 | mlewis00 | hettar: Or http://www.inside-security.de/insert_en.html |
| 01:21.15 | greycat | it's bad enough we already have two different ounces (Troy and Avoirdupois (sp?)) |
| 01:21.36 | cafuego | greycat: Don't forget the fluid ounce |
| 01:21.38 | greycat | now europe has to have their OWN SPECIAL ounce? |
| 01:21.44 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: Where are you at? |
| 01:21.55 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: That's irrelevant. |
| 01:21.56 | dseomn | scarynetworkguy: good grammar |
| 01:22.01 | dfd | ehm... somebody can tell me if athlon-mp stands for athlon xp-m please? |
| 01:22.06 | roo9 | in woody, acidrip depends on gtk2 perl. but that does not seem to be present in debian woody |
| 01:22.10 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: I know. I'm just curious. |
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| 01:22.17 | cafuego | dfd: No. MP is the SMP capable one |
| 01:22.20 | greycat | !depends acidrip woody |
| 01:22.22 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: Australia |
| 01:22.36 | greycat | 20:22 =dpkg> Package 'acidrip' does not exist. |
| 01:22.38 | dfd | thanks cafuego |
| 01:22.38 | cafuego | dfd: The mobile ones shoudl be labaled XP-M |
| 01:22.46 | greycat | you have some non-woody sources, or the bot's on crack |
| 01:22.46 | dfd | okay :) |
| 01:23.01 | cafuego | greycat: Probably both ;-) |
| 01:23.01 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: Cool. But havent you all been metric now basically forever? |
| 01:23.03 | roo9 | greycat: probably not in debian... i'll fix it... thanks |
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| 01:23.18 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: No, like I said, where I live is irrelevant, as it's not where I grew up. |
| 01:23.20 | sussudio | cafuego: kant-en-klare gehaktballen zijn in de aanbieding. |
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| 01:23.34 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: Ahh. I missed that bit. May I ask where you grew up? |
| 01:23.40 | cafuego | sussudio: een ons per stuk? Doe maar zes dan. |
| 01:23.47 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: The Netherlands |
| 01:23.56 | sussudio | cafuego: 2.98 euro een kilo |
| 01:24.10 | cafuego | sussudio: vooruit dan maar |
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| 01:24.33 | sussudio | cafuego: http://www.c1000.nl/default.asp?pg=4 |
| 01:24.42 | cafuego | sussudio: aiyee? |
| 01:24.53 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: Again, and note that this is me being curious cause I've been thinking about conversion, haven't they been metric for a very long time? Or does this all just date back to when they converted? |
| 01:25.11 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: They're been metric since metric was invented, yes. |
| 01:26.17 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: That's what I thought. So the change in the defination of a pound dates back to the orginal conversion and is still in use? |
| 01:26.26 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: Possibly, I have *no* idea. |
| 01:26.30 | lunaphyte | is there a debian dspam package available? i don't find one on packages,debian.org, searching for dspam. |
| 01:27.00 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: Fair enough. |
| 01:27.18 | scarynetworkguy | lunaphyte: Why not SpamAssassian and procmail? |
| 01:27.24 | grendal_prime | anyone got a sans cruzer mini working? |
| 01:27.33 | dseomn | lunaphyte: you could file an RFP |
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| 01:27.40 | scarynetworkguy | grendal_prime: Yes. |
| 01:27.44 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: It does beg the question though why semi-medieval europeans have no problems switching unit systems whilst modern americans can't seem to handle it ;-) |
| 01:27.55 | shmike | is it safe to run sid or should i stick with sarge? |
| 01:28.12 | dseomn | shmike: if you're not a dd, use sarge |
| 01:28.12 | karsten | cafuego: Pardon? |
| 01:28.31 | grendal_prime | scarynetworkguy, could you lend a hand? |
| 01:28.38 | cafuego | lessee if this helps performance at all |
| 01:28.40 | karsten | cafuego: ...er. 2 lb => 1 kg. I'm scrolled back ;-) |
| 01:28.42 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: I agree with you %100 on that. I've started doing my part by doing as many things as possible in metric. :D |
| 01:28.42 | lunaphyte | scarynetworkguy: i've checked those out - just curious about dspam - seems to be pretty decent. |
| 01:28.47 | raf256laptop | hi, I apt-get install ethereal, but listbug's warn that this version is broken. How to install previous version? apt-get install -t stable ethereal didnt changed anything. Perhaps I should add something to sources.list? |
| 01:28.51 | shmike | dseown: ok |
| 01:29.03 | scarynetworkguy | grendal_prime: plug it in and mount it. |
| 01:29.04 | cafuego | karsten: Yes. 2 pounds to a kilo in holland |
| 01:29.14 | cafuego | karsten: Makes life MUCH easier. |
| 01:29.14 | karsten | ixi-deb05: Try tempC(nn) tempF(nn) |
| 01:29.29 | grendal_prime | the mounting part is where i seem to be having a hard time |
| 01:29.35 | greycat | cafuego: how does it make ANYTHING easier? |
| 01:29.39 | scarynetworkguy | lunaphyte: I dunno. I *love* SpamAssassian. |
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| 01:29.45 | greycat | cafuego: why not just use kilos consistently? |
| 01:29.49 | caluso | hi |
| 01:30.25 | cafuego | greycat: Up until Brussels made it illegal for shops to advertise in non-KG units, you could just double the per-pound price and get a kilo price, eh? |
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| 01:30.37 | caluso | im haveing trouble mounting vfat with 2.6.9 kernel: FAT codepage cp437 not found |
| 01:30.45 | grendal_prime | says..umm cannot determine mount type and none was specified |
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| 01:30.49 | caluso | what should i do? |
| 01:30.52 | lunaphyte | scarynetworkguy: can SA be used w/ other LDAs then procmail? |
| 01:30.53 | Klipper | hey, i need some samba help |
| 01:30.59 | scarynetworkguy | grendal_prime: What device are you trying to mount? |
| 01:31.00 | Klipper | theer is no one alive in #samba |
| 01:31.04 | lunaphyte | s/then/than |
| 01:31.13 | dseomn | Klipper: ask more specific questions |
| 01:31.19 | greycat | caluso: custom kernel? |
| 01:31.26 | Klipper | i've never done any samba networking, and i want to get some stuff off my brothe'r comuter thats running on Kanotix Live, and i'm running on Debian Sarge |
| 01:31.30 | scarynetworkguy | lunaphyte: Yeah I just use it on a single user system and I use procmail for other things so that was easisest for me. |
| 01:31.32 | grendal_prime | sda1 |
| 01:31.33 | cafuego | greycat: /j nvidia |
| 01:31.35 | cafuego | duh |
| 01:31.35 | caluso | greycat: yes! |
| 01:31.40 | cafuego | greycat: nm |
| 01:31.43 | Tweekster | has anyone used debian on a servermatrix box, or a dell 400sc. i cant seem to install a new kernel (it wont boot as far as i can tell) |
| 01:31.43 | greycat | caluso: rebuild with cp 437 defined. NEXT! |
| 01:31.53 | dseomn | Klipper: search google for "smaba howto" |
| 01:32.01 | raf256laptop | hi, I apt-get install ethereal, but listbug's warn that this version is broken. How to install previous version? apt-get install -t stable ethereal didnt changed anything. Perhaps I should add something to sources.list? |
| 01:32.12 | justin | Tweekster: would "a new kernel" be a new debian kernel, or one that you compiled? |
| 01:32.20 | lunaphyte | scarynetworkguy: thanks. |
| 01:32.22 | dseomn | s/smaba/samba/ |
| 01:32.23 | grendal_prime | i figured i could use the same mount as my digital camera...but aparently that is not the case |
| 01:32.25 | Klipper | dseomn: well, i don't have time to learn samba right now, he has to go soon and i need to get the shit off of his, and on to mine |
| 01:32.26 | scarynetworkguy | lunaphyte: Sure. |
| 01:32.35 | Tweekster | justin: one that i compiled. i will try the image kernel from debian now |
| 01:32.38 | scarynetworkguy | grendal_prime: What are you trying to mount it as? |
| 01:32.40 | caluso | greycat: damn!, i can´t get that (do i modifi the .config by hand)? |
| 01:32.42 | dseomn | Klipper: just use ssh and rsync then |
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| 01:32.55 | Klipper | !rsync |
| 01:32.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 01:33.01 | greycat | caluso: what do you mean you "can't get that"? |
| 01:33.15 | greycat | caluso: Codepage 437 under the NLS stuff |
| 01:33.22 | caluso | greycat: i didn´t understand |
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| 01:34.00 | caluso | greycat: let me see, it´s in another computer... |
| 01:34.05 | Klipper | dseomn: do you know if that is included in kanotix beg hunter 7? |
| 01:34.13 | grendal_prime | scarynetworkguy, |
| 01:34.18 | grendal_prime | scarynetworkguy, /dev/sda2 /mnt/cruzer vfat32 rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 01:34.28 | lunaphyte | if i am installing something from source, rather than a deb package, are there any sort of 'guidelines' i can read up on regarding locations and such - to sort of fit into the debian model? |
| 01:34.35 | dseomn | Klipper: I don't, but any live cd w/o it is a sad one indeed |
| 01:34.42 | greycat | lunaphyte: /usr/local or /opt |
| 01:34.45 | scarynetworkguy | grendal_prime: try sda1 |
| 01:34.47 | Klipper | heh, alright |
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| 01:35.03 | grendal_prime | k |
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| 01:35.10 | grendal_prime | is the vfat32 correct? |
| 01:35.10 | lunaphyte | greycat: thanks |
| 01:35.29 | dseomn | grendal_prime: it should be vfat |
| 01:35.43 | grendal_prime | k |
| 01:35.48 | caluso | greycat: i have it as a modules, ill see if it´s been loaded... |
| 01:35.51 | man_in_shack | i have a problem with sim city 3000. it wants older glibc: "sc3u: symbol _dl_global_scope, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference" |
| 01:36.07 | Tweekster | man_in_shack: run the loki updater. |
| 01:36.09 | greycat | set up a hamm chroot? |
| 01:36.25 | man_in_shack | Tweekster, oh ... i forgot about that |
| 01:36.28 | shmike | is alien safe to use on rpms? |
| 01:36.51 | shmike | or is theree something else? |
| 01:36.54 | dseomn | shmike: why would you want to do that? |
| 01:36.55 | sherwood | i have a question: I've got a i845g onboard graphics card and it can't be disabled in the BIOS. My linux box hangs if there is an extra AGP card attached. Hoy can I make devfsd / udev ignore the onboard card? (kernel panic in 2.4.27 and 2.6.9) |
| 01:37.03 | Tweekster | man_in_shack: had that problem before :) |
| 01:37.13 | man_in_shack | Tweekster, :) ty |
| 01:37.25 | man_in_shack | Tweekster, where'd you get the updater from? |
| 01:37.27 | shmike | dseomn: for packages not in debs |
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| 01:37.45 | caluso | greycat: can i use another cp with mount -o codepage=xxxx? |
| 01:37.46 | greycat | shmike: as a last resort, it's been known to work. |
| 01:37.54 | dseomn | shmike: if there's some package(s) that you want packaged, file an RFP |
| 01:37.56 | greycat | caluso: damned if I know. |
| 01:38.02 | caluso | hehe |
| 01:38.13 | shmike | ok so source is better? |
| 01:38.18 | greycat | shmike: yes |
| 01:38.25 | caluso | greycat: ok, ill try all again, bye, thank u |
| 01:38.33 | dseomn | shmike: .deb is even better though |
| 01:38.42 | Klipper | dseomn: i need to know how to make a folder sared on my workgroup, how do i do that? |
| 01:39.06 | raf256laptop | !adoption |
| 01:39.06 | dpkg | i guess adoption is a greate way to have kids without having to have the sex! |
| 01:39.08 | shmike | i am searching for mldonkey and i might have to use a rpm |
| 01:39.13 | raf256laptop | ;) |
| 01:39.17 | dseomn | Klipper: can you just transfer it, or do you need samba/nfs/ncp/afs/etc. |
| 01:39.44 | shmike | one more question |
| 01:39.53 | Klipper | dseomn: i can transfer it, i just need to make a folder on my machine shared |
| 01:40.10 | man_in_shack | wow. loki's website is still up! |
| 01:40.16 | shmike | why would xandros include alien in synaptic or so it seems? |
| 01:40.35 | dseomn | Klipper: rsync -ura --progress /path/to/folder/ username@remotehost:/path/to/folder/ |
| 01:40.42 | ixi-deb05 | karsten: ok |
| 01:40.46 | man_in_shack | Tweekster, *poke* where'd you get the updater from? broken link on http://updates.lokigames.com/ :( |
| 01:40.46 | PerfDave | shmike: Ask #xandros ;) |
| 01:40.47 | grendal_prime | thanks guys that got it |
| 01:40.52 | dseomn | Klipper: * -uvr |
| 01:40.53 | shmike | lol ok |
| 01:41.03 | Klipper | dseomn: with samba |
| 01:41.15 | ixi-deb05 | !convert tempC(10) to tempF(20) |
| 01:41.16 | dpkg | tempC(10) is approximately 1.06254 tempF(20) |
| 01:41.19 | nvz | well this nvidia card in here does look a hell of alot better than the one I've been using.. I am starting to notice what a difference a video card makes |
| 01:41.20 | ixi-deb05 | works |
| 01:41.23 | dseomn | Klipper: man smb.conf |
| 01:41.34 | greycat | ixi-deb05: what the HELL is a "tempF(20)" |
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| 01:41.59 | ixi-deb05 | greycat: ask dpkg :) |
| 01:42.22 | dfd | bye |
| 01:42.23 | greycat | 20:42 =dpkg> no help on convert. Use 'help' without arguments. |
| 01:42.56 | greycat | 20:42 =greycat> convert 10 tempC to tempF |
| 01:42.56 | greycat | 20:42 =dpkg> tempC(10) is approximately 50 tempF |
| 01:43.02 | ixi-deb05 | greycat: I guess its Farenheight or how its spelled.. |
| 01:43.09 | greycat | ixi-deb05: I guess you're a moron. |
| 01:43.10 | PerfDave | Fahrenheit |
| 01:43.18 | greycat | I have NO CLUE where you got (20) from |
| 01:43.19 | ixi-deb05 | greycat: why? |
| 01:43.21 | sherwood | hello |
| 01:43.32 | PerfDave | !convert 0 tempC to tempF |
| 01:43.34 | dpkg | tempC(0) is approximately 32 tempF |
| 01:43.43 | nvz | going from using non-accellerated crap to the nVidia NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] (rev 15), and then seeing this nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5200 Ultra] (rev a1) in action got me appreciating hardware accelrated video |
| 01:44.22 | dseomn | nvz: same, but then I installed vrms |
| 01:44.49 | nvz | dseomn: virtual richard m stallman? |
| 01:44.52 | nvz | heh |
| 01:45.00 | PerfDave | vrms++ |
| 01:45.00 | dseomn | nvz: yeah |
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| 01:45.13 | nvz | whats that got to do with video? :P |
| 01:45.22 | dseomn | PerfDave: rms written by C++ programmers? |
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| 01:45.43 | cafuego | nvz: it yells at you for not using open software. |
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| 01:45.54 | nvz | cafuego: I know what it does |
| 01:46.05 | nvz | cafuego: still whats that got to do with video |
| 01:46.06 | KirbyMeister | is there any such thing as a virtual rms package? |
| 01:46.14 | PerfDave | KirbyMeister: apt-cache show vrms |
| 01:46.14 | greycat | !info vrms |
| 01:46.27 | dseomn | cafuego: it only yells at you if you pipe it through festival |
| 01:46.27 | KirbyMeister | Cool! |
| 01:46.28 | dpkg | vrms: (Virtual Richard M. Stallman), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.9 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 01:46.43 | KirbyMeister | Wait... rms has a middle name? |
| 01:46.58 | ixi-deb05 | bye |
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| 01:47.08 | dseomn | KirbyMeister: the M. is only there for show ;> |
| 01:47.09 | cafuego | KirbyMeister: Yes, "moron" |
| 01:47.11 | J1 | the M. stands for Microsoft... :) |
| 01:47.12 | bucky | yes.. milhouse |
| 01:47.34 | grendal_prime | is it just me or is unmountingany removable hardware just a bitch |
| 01:47.52 | KirbyMeister | I have one last question - I mounted my Windows FAT32 /dev/hda1 to /mnt/hda1, and for some reason directories will only show as directories at a terminal. |
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| 01:48.05 | dseomn | grendal_prime: I've never had problems w/ it on Debian, only on Windows |
| 01:48.24 | TheBlueWizard | M. is Matthew, not Milhouse or moron |
| 01:48.26 | grendal_prime | i seem two have something that grabs ahold of things like....cdroms, removeable ram devices |
| 01:48.28 | KirbyMeister | In Nautilus, directories show up as files |
| 01:48.38 | grendal_prime | that sort of stuff..keeps giving me errors about it being busy |
| 01:48.50 | grendal_prime | umount: /mnt/cruzer: device is busy |
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| 01:49.08 | dseomn | grendal_prime: lsof /mnt/cruzer |
| 01:49.09 | KirbyMeister | EVERYTHING in Gnome wont recognize directories on /dev/hda1 |
| 01:49.43 | cafuego | me proceeds top patch nvidia.ko for 2.6.10 |
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| 01:49.50 | grendal_prime | i get nothing dseomn |
| 01:50.06 | KirbyMeister | Can someone help me? I need to access all my mp3 files |
| 01:50.14 | Tweekster | man_in_shack: yessss? |
| 01:50.18 | dseomn | grendal_prime: did you make sure not to add a trailing slash |
| 01:50.24 | man_in_shack | Tweekster, ./update.sh: line 60: 17124 Segmentation fault loki_patch --verify patch.dat |
| 01:50.28 | mentor | Has Linux support for the AAA-13x series Adaptec controllers moved beyond: no RAID for now? |
| 01:50.29 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 01:50.38 | dseomn | KirbyMeister: have you tried marrilat's packages? |
| 01:50.41 | Tweekster | man_in_shack: oh yeah i had that prob too. i remeoved that line |
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| 01:50.46 | KirbyMeister | For some reason I cant open directories on a mounted FAT32 on anything other than a terminal. |
| 01:50.50 | grendal_prime | hold on...wrong user de |
| 01:50.54 | KirbyMeister | dseomn: what's marrilat's packages? |
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| 01:50.56 | man_in_shack | Tweekster, uhhhhhhh wha? |
| 01:50.59 | greycat | !marillat |
| 01:50.59 | dpkg | add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main". |
| 01:51.10 | man_in_shack | Tweekster, i change things and the checksum dies ... |
| 01:51.13 | KirbyMeister | dpkg: okay |
| 01:51.13 | dpkg | KirbyMeister: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:51.16 | Tweekster | man_in_shack: open the sh file in vim. scroll to that particular line. |
| 01:51.33 | dseomn | KirbyMeister: try mounting the partition as type msdos instead of vfat |
| 01:51.35 | man_in_shack | Tweekster, the .run? |
| 01:51.43 | Tweekster | man_in_shack:yes |
| 01:51.51 | grendal_prime | dseomn, its famd...same thing as last time i had this problem |
| 01:52.09 | man_in_shack | Tweekster, and ... |
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| 01:52.34 | Tweekster | man_in_shack: it should be a text file,. remove that one line |
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| 01:53.07 | exobyte | I just got a new IBM laptop. They included a partition with recovery stuff. If I want to back it up, would just using dd and setting the source to /dev/hda1 be the best way? Any expierences with these laptops would help |
| 01:53.14 | man_in_shack | Tweekster, i don't see "loki_patch" anywhere in the file ... |
| 01:53.25 | helix | exobyte: which laptop? |
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| 01:53.36 | exobyte | helix: t42 |
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| 01:53.50 | helix | exobyte: how much was it? |
| 01:53.52 | exobyte | helix: it is nice |
| 01:53.54 | helix | and are you in the US? |
| 01:54.03 | KirbyMeister | I cant find my sources.list |
| 01:54.04 | man_in_shack | Tweekster, you sure i edit the .run? |
| 01:54.14 | grendal_prime | why the hell does famd keep hanging things up |
| 01:54.16 | man_in_shack | KirbyMeister, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:54.17 | dseomn | KirbyMeister: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:54.20 | KirbyMeister | thanks |
| 01:54.20 | martoon | i recently installed xmms and yahoo messenger and the fonts in both apps are showing up as boxes w/ question marks in them. anyone know why this is and how to fix it? |
| 01:54.24 | exobyte | helix: yes. 1200-1300 ish. I need to put in more ram, though |
| 01:54.24 | KirbyMeister | yup i'm a n00b |
| 01:54.27 | dseomn | man_in_shack: only 1s off ;p |
| 01:54.38 | helix | exobyte: yeah, I'm currently drooling over those.. |
| 01:54.50 | man_in_shack | dseomn, heh |
| 01:55.02 | exobyte | helix: drooling.. like you might get it? |
| 01:55.05 | helix | exobyte: yes |
| 01:55.11 | helix | exobyte: I'm saving up for one. :) |
| 01:55.30 | cafuego | exobyte: It's probably a FAT* partition. 'dd' will be fine. |
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| 01:56.16 | man_in_shack | :| |
| 01:56.21 | exobyte | cafuego: I'm trying to figure out why windows xp doesn't see it. I'll be using knoppix (I know, topic) for the backup |
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| 01:56.50 | exobyte | helix: try to get one from a non-ibm site. I found one out of state, so no $100 for taxes |
| 01:56.55 | cafuego | exobyte: It's probably partition type Windows 95 FAT32 (Hidden) - windows honours the hidden bit. |
| 01:57.02 | exobyte | helix: or, more ram |
| 01:57.12 | helix | exobyte: how much ram does yours have? 256? |
| 01:57.17 | exobyte | cafuego: ohhhh. I didn't know there was actually a hidden bit |
| 01:57.26 | cafuego | exobyte: You could flip the partition type to non-hidden with *fsck. |
| 01:57.36 | exobyte | helix: yeah, but I think I'll pick up a corsair 512 module |
| 01:57.45 | KirbyMeister | Okay, I loaded up marillat packs into my sources.list, for sarge, and it wont load |
| 01:57.49 | cafuego | Windows may or may not boot at that point, as it might get a new C: drive |
| 01:58.02 | mentor | Ugh. DOSLabel. evil evil evil. |
| 01:58.06 | exobyte | cafuego: heh. sounds like windows |
| 01:58.23 | KirbyMeister | Oh no! It is the dos labeling system! EVERYBODY RUN AND HIDE!!! |
| 01:58.24 | helix | the only reason I don't want to get a thinkpad (or many laptops) is because they come with windows |
| 01:58.34 | KirbyMeister | helix: then load debian on them |
| 01:58.38 | KirbyMeister | or fedora |
| 01:58.41 | greycat | it's the CP/M paradigm. |
| 01:58.47 | helix | KirbyMeister: yes, but I have to *pay* for windows |
| 01:58.51 | helix | which is my issue |
| 01:58.53 | KirbyMeister | helix: oh |
| 01:58.53 | exobyte | cafuego: If I wanted to reconstruct the recovery partiton, I would probobly have to make the partition the EXACT size of the image, right |
| 01:59.07 | cafuego | helix: There's a nice company here who make non-OS bundled laptops. They have *Athlon64* laptops. Had I know that before I bought mine... |
| 01:59.11 | exobyte | helix: remember the thing with rejecting the windows liscence on boot and getting your $$ back |
| 01:59.34 | cafuego | exobyte: Yeah, just keep the output of 'fdisk -l' handy. |
| 01:59.34 | helix | exobyte: hm, I didn't think of that |
| 01:59.47 | exobyte | cafuego: maybe in the file name |
| 01:59.49 | KirbyMeister | cafuego: which fdisk? |
| 01:59.59 | mentor | ick. |
| 02:00.00 | cafuego | KirbyMeister: There is only one fdisk. |
| 02:00.03 | mentor | evil. |
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| 02:00.05 | KirbyMeister | I cant get the marillat sarge packages to load |
| 02:00.17 | dseomn | cafuego: no, there are two, DOS, and *nix |
| 02:00.25 | cafuego | dseomn: What's DOS? |
| 02:00.26 | greycat | mentor: you're a mollusc now? |
| 02:00.35 | greycat | cafuego: CP/M: The Next Generation |
| 02:00.40 | KirbyMeister | what's CP/M |
| 02:00.48 | greycat | !cp/m |
| 02:00.48 | dpkg | cp/m is, like, the most brain dead operating system ever created, and claims to be a flavour of UNIX, despite the fact that it must've gone through the shreadder |
| 02:00.52 | cafuego | dseomn: You mean the one that eats parameters with '/' and not '-' ? |
| 02:01.01 | mentor | greycat: yes, I was then, but not now. |
| 02:01.01 | dseomn | cafuego: ;> |
| 02:01.02 | KirbyMeister | Oh, yeah, you mean DOS |
| 02:01.02 | exobyte | helix: the windows liscence at one point said you can reject it and get your money back. I shouldn't say this, but I'm sticking with windows. I hate the gimp (over photoshop) and can live with exceed and securecrt |
| 02:01.05 | greycat | dpkg, cp/m =~ s/shreadder/shredder/ |
| 02:01.05 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 02:01.22 | cafuego | whoops |
| 02:01.27 | mentor | A burnt, fermented, curdled flavour of UNIX? |
| 02:01.36 | greycat | cp/m is not unix. |
| 02:01.36 | helix | exobyte: yeah, I don't mind if people use it. I can't stand it though. :) |
| 02:01.54 | exobyte | cafuego: the main reason I want to back up the partition is that I have NO CD, just a hidden partition, not even a windows cd |
| 02:01.57 | KirbyMeister | exobyte: yeah, but when M$ puts various things in their licences (like, crazy things like they try to make it illegal to not upgrade) dont come crying to us |
| 02:02.25 | justin | exobyte: great, so you are one of those people that paid for windows, yet didn't even get media |
| 02:02.27 | exobyte | KirbyMeister: if one doesn't use a legal copy of windows, the liscence might not be valie |
| 02:02.28 | Guerin | exobyte: the thing is that your backup partition is on the same physical hdd as your main partition - so it's almost worthless for data recovery |
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| 02:03.01 | exobyte | Guerin: almost. Useless for crashes, yes. Useless for deletion, no |
| 02:03.47 | exobyte | Guerin: although, an alternate OS for recovery would work just as well |
| 02:04.17 | man_in_shack | hmm ... |
| 02:04.39 | KirbyMeister | I added this line into my /etc/apt/sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main and it wont work |
| 02:04.48 | exobyte | helix: when do you think you'll have the laptop money? |
| 02:04.58 | helix | exobyte: in a couple weeks; I have most of it already |
| 02:05.02 | dseomn | KirbyMeister: did you apt-get update? |
| 02:05.07 | helix | depends how much stuff I want to get on it though |
| 02:05.24 | helix | 1200-1300 could be done in about two weeks, but if I want more, maybe a month |
| 02:05.35 | exobyte | helix: ah- sweet. |
| 02:05.36 | bob2 | there's a company who resells ibm laptops without windows |
| 02:05.42 | bob2 | but they cost more than ones with it |
| 02:05.47 | helix | bob2: heh |
| 02:05.50 | KirbyMeister | dseomn: I AM apt-get update-ing. |
| 02:05.55 | helix | justin: what kind of shit? |
| 02:06.06 | cafuego | helix: 1GB ram minimum, 80GB hdd.. decent gfx. |
| 02:06.17 | justin | cafuego: yes, that exactly :-) |
| 02:06.20 | dseomn | KirbyMeister: what's the error? |
| 02:06.30 | helix | cafuego: that's "shit I don't want"? |
| 02:06.44 | cafuego | helix: No, that's the "shit you want" |
| 02:06.56 | KirbyMeister | dseomn: when it's trying to update from marillat |
| 02:07.04 | helix | yeah |
| 02:07.04 | zinx | justin: not everyone is a rich spoiled fuck |
| 02:07.11 | helix | I don't think I need 1gb of ram |
| 02:07.15 | cafuego | helix: shit you DON'T want is: broadcom wifi, windows... |
| 02:07.23 | helix | yeah, indeed. |
| 02:07.24 | cafuego | helix: I used to think I didn't need 1GB |
| 02:07.26 | bob2 | 512MB seems to be plenty for me |
| 02:07.28 | grendal_prime | is there anyting in particular that famd is uzed for? |
| 02:07.31 | justin | zinx: that computer cost me maybe $300 at the time |
| 02:07.36 | bob2 | grendal_prime: gnome uses it |
| 02:07.36 | helix | well, this computer has 256, but that's not enough |
| 02:07.43 | zinx | justin: doubtful |
| 02:07.46 | grendal_prime | i dont use gnome |
| 02:07.52 | dan2 | bob2: no its not, 12G is pretty good tho |
| 02:07.54 | dan2 | :) |
| 02:08.00 | bob2 | grendal_prime: then lots of other things do |
| 02:08.04 | justin | zinx: nope, bought parts from rich spoiled friends |
| 02:08.05 | grendal_prime | i mean i remember writing someing that needed it some time ago |
| 02:08.10 | bob2 | dan2: see zinx's comment earlier |
| 02:08.12 | cafuego | 1540444k total, 1284824k free, 173372k buffers |
| 02:08.19 | justin | zinx: i managed to get 3 128's and had 384 |
| 02:08.29 | grendal_prime | but...basically...it keeps fking with my reality |
| 02:08.36 | cafuego | But having 1.2GB free ram is neet |
| 02:08.40 | dan2 | bob2: haha |
| 02:08.40 | Nyle | I have downloaded and un'bin'ned the j2sdk_1.4.2 to /usr as root. How do I add it to the system env. thingy so I can run .jar files, for example I am trying to run the gnutella client Phex |
| 02:08.41 | grendal_prime | keeps locking up my removeable devices |
| 02:08.41 | justin | my desktop has 512M, bought 4 years ago.. new G5's still come with 512M |
| 02:08.45 | justin | er, 256M |
| 02:09.00 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure you can ion and vim in less than 1GB |
| 02:09.01 | dan2 | bob2: to set you straight, not everybody is a poor bastard |
| 02:09.01 | zinx | maybe OS X doesn't use as much ram as windows xp? :P |
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| 02:09.06 | helix | bob2: you can! |
| 02:09.09 | cafuego | helix: I suppose I do use this box for multiple-user xdmcp sessions |
| 02:09.11 | greycat | Nyle: /msg dpkg install java /msg dpkg java-package |
| 02:09.11 | exobyte | I'm off- backup time |
| 02:09.12 | helix | bob2: but building stuff is a problem |
| 02:09.15 | CSWookie | Is there a way I can find out what driver I'm using for my ethernet card? |
| 02:09.16 | bob2 | sorry, ion3 |
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| 02:09.18 | bob2 | helix: ah, right |
| 02:09.22 | greycat | CSWookie: dmesg, lsmod |
| 02:09.23 | Nyle | well, I was told NOT to use blackdown |
| 02:09.28 | justin | bob2: my nice laptop before the power connector broke as a p120 with 70M of ram.. I ran _everything_ on that thing |
| 02:09.29 | bob2 | dan2: send me a g5 then |
| 02:09.29 | KirbyMeister | I cant grab the marillat packages |
| 02:09.31 | cafuego | helix: You *may* want to run your laptop as X session server though. |
| 02:09.35 | bob2 | justin: hah, ouch |
| 02:09.37 | dan2 | bob2: 12G of ram hurts with eclipse |
| 02:09.38 | zinx | CSWookie: lsmod, lspci, cross-reference |
| 02:09.38 | helix | maybe if lyx didn't take 3h to build I would do more work on it ;) |
| 02:09.39 | CSWookie | And from there, what option to flag in my kernel condfig? |
| 02:09.41 | bob2 | KirbyMeister: you need to be more vague |
| 02:09.43 | greycat | KirbyMeister: TOO FUCKING BAD! Now tell us WHY you can't, or buzz off. |
| 02:09.47 | KirbyMeister | When it apt-get update-s, it gives an error when trying to find the packages |
| 02:09.50 | zinx | CSWookie: why would you need an "option to flag"? |
| 02:09.56 | greycat | !tell KirbyMeister about smart questions |
| 02:10.02 | bob2 | KirbyMeister: paste the entire error to #flood |
| 02:10.02 | zinx | CSWookie: oh, enabling the module? |
| 02:10.07 | justin | bob2: not really, I never turned it off, I would just let firefox and stuff swap out |
| 02:10.09 | bob2 | KirbyMeister: how could anyone help you without seeing it? |
| 02:10.11 | bob2 | helix: haha |
| 02:10.15 | zinx | CSWookie: just use lspci to figure out which card it is, and enable the one that says it's for that card |
| 02:10.18 | bob2 | justin: ah |
| 02:10.27 | bob2 | sleep on this laptop is awesome |
| 02:10.31 | CSWookie | zinx: I compiled a new kernel, but it doesn't recognize my ethernet card. My initial kernel is the one that the setup program gave me, so I don't know which one it chose. |
| 02:10.36 | zinx | CSWookie: there aren't -that- many |
| 02:10.40 | cafuego | KirbyMeister: 'apt-get update -s' - wtf is that supposed to do? |
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| 02:10.54 | dan2 | cafuego: you good with java? |
| 02:11.04 | cafuego | dan2: Depends on what you want to do. |
| 02:11.04 | justin | bob2: yeah, mine was old, so just standard apm worked flawlessly |
| 02:11.07 | CSWookie | zinx: Good enough. Thanks. You too greycat |
| 02:11.09 | dan2 | cafuego: jmf |
| 02:11.13 | cafuego | dan2: 's been a few years since I've used it |
| 02:11.15 | KirbyMeister | apt-get update says that it cant find the packages, then it complains about not being able to get a lock |
| 02:11.16 | justin | bob2: it had an 80 day uptime or so across 6 months of use |
| 02:11.21 | dan2 | cafuego: ok, then I'm sure you haven't used it |
| 02:11.28 | bob2 | justin: hah, nice |
| 02:11.32 | findme | KirbyMeister, do it as root |
| 02:11.34 | dan2 | cafuego: sun managed to build a crappy jmf that doesn't even work with its own URLs |
| 02:11.37 | bob2 | 12:10:02 bob2 | KirbyMeister: paste the entire error to #flood |
| 02:11.39 | justin | bob2: yeah, until the power connector broke :) |
| 02:11.47 | KirbyMeister | I'm doing it in a root terminal |
| 02:11.47 | man_in_shack | someone thank Tweekster for me when he gets back |
| 02:11.49 | grendal_prime | no other packages depend on it |
| 02:11.53 | grendal_prime | its going |
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| 02:12.00 | justin | !+jmf |
| 02:12.38 | findme | java media framework |
| 02:12.41 | dan2 | !jmf is a piece of shit by sun to implement a media framework with rtp and rtcp. Luckily for them RTCP support always returns null |
| 02:12.41 | dpkg | okay, dan2 |
| 02:13.08 | dan2 | !jmf ~= s/RTCP support/SenderReports/ |
| 02:13.19 | dan2 | dpkg: jmf ~= s/RTCP support/SenderReports/ |
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| 02:13.36 | [KyReL] | When I try to install Debian or Ubuntu on one of my computers, i've the following message >>> "no matching physical volumes found"... can you help me ? |
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| 02:13.41 | greycat | =~ not ~= |
| 02:13.56 | dan2 | dpkg: jmf =~ s/RTCP support/SenderReports/ |
| 02:13.56 | dpkg | OK, dan2 |
| 02:14.20 | justin | helix: what kind of laptop were you going to get? |
| 02:14.42 | b0ef | anyone know of a libre usb sniffer? |
| 02:14.46 | helix | justin: I want a thinkpad t42 |
| 02:14.56 | helix | but I've been looking at lifebook's too |
| 02:15.01 | helix | (fujitsu) |
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| 02:15.07 | Gumby | I am trying to setup a battery monitoring program and I get the error "battery-stats-collector[2226]: apm_read failed with error code 1". I was told that my kernel lack apm so I tried to load the apm module I get the error that /path/to/apm.ko doesnt exist" and a kernel message telling me that "kernel: apm: overridden by ACPI" |
| 02:15.10 | dan2 | helix: t42 is nice, my dad has it |
| 02:15.17 | dan2 | helix: those things are indestructible |
| 02:15.27 | Gumby | is there something else I need to do to get apm or some sort of battery monitoring working ? |
| 02:15.29 | helix | yeah :) |
| 02:15.31 | helix | they're l33t |
| 02:15.42 | dan2 | helix: we threw it down the stairs, and it still worked and no dents |
| 02:15.50 | helix | why did you do that? |
| 02:16.05 | dan2 | helix: because its under warranty |
| 02:16.06 | dan2 | :) |
| 02:16.21 | helix | that's stupid |
| 02:16.25 | justin | wtf do they come with 256M as standard |
| 02:16.39 | cafuego | justin: keeps the base price down |
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| 02:16.59 | justin | and a 30G drive? how useless |
| 02:17.06 | cafuego | justin: again, same thing. |
| 02:17.11 | greycat | justin: you're spoiled. |
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| 02:17.16 | helix | 30gb is plenty for me |
| 02:17.21 | helix | though I imagine I'd prefer about 60 |
| 02:17.28 | justin | greycat: no, I just don't put up with low end shit |
| 02:17.42 | cafuego | justin: If you want to sell units, you DO NOT advertise the highest-spec'd model and frighten buyers with a high price. |
| 02:17.51 | grendal_prime | think i figerd it.. |
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| 02:17.56 | grendal_prime | there is a famd.conf |
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| 02:17.59 | justin | greycat: they will exclaim everywhere how many mhz the damn thing has, yet it has less ram than my computer did 5 years ago |
| 02:18.01 | grendal_prime | well fam.conf |
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| 02:18.08 | dan2 | cafuego: no you advertise three models, low end, middle, and high |
| 02:18.10 | grendal_prime | i set upt the timeout for 5 seconds |
| 02:18.16 | grendal_prime | ill see how that works out |
| 02:18.41 | cafuego | dan2: No, you advertise a decked out more expensive model with better markup as "high" |
| 02:18.50 | dan2 | :)\ |
| 02:18.50 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:18.59 | cafuego | sheesh, you people know nothing! |
| 02:19.10 | Guerin | I just replaced the 4G drive in my old laptop with a 60G |
| 02:19.12 | cafuego | s/markup/margin/ |
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| 02:19.33 | justin | or you do what apple does, and not include wireless in the base price, even though everyone adds that... |
| 02:19.40 | Guerin | /dev/hda2 47580776 654924 44508872 2% /home |
| 02:19.48 | dan2 | helix: I wasn't ready to trade up my ibook for the t42 |
| 02:19.49 | Guerin | and that's with me TRYING to fill it |
| 02:19.52 | dan2 | helix: I love my ibook |
| 02:20.03 | helix | I don't like ibooks |
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| 02:20.08 | helix | but they have cool keyboards I guess |
| 02:20.27 | helix | I like powerbooks but they're prohibitively expensive |
| 02:20.28 | justin | helix: the $999 price looks nice, until you add more ram and a decent disk sice, and the price goes up to $1500 |
| 02:20.36 | helix | justin: yeah, sounds about right :) |
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| 02:20.47 | justin | and apple still does shit like disabling dualhead on those, even though the hardware is capable |
| 02:21.00 | gradzac | test |
| 02:21.06 | cafuego | the new set of iBooks have decent (1024x768) screens now |
| 02:21.10 | helix | I'm open to other computers but the ones I look at are still going to be roughly the same price and I don't know how well supported they are in linux |
| 02:21.18 | helix | and i really cannot be assed to check on every model |
| 02:21.29 | dan2 | justin: they charge a 100 bucks to upgrade the ram |
| 02:21.30 | helix | cafuego: not big enough |
| 02:21.36 | Guerin | omfg, helix said an americanised version of can't be arsed |
| 02:21.39 | dan2 | justin: I can find the same ram from crucial.com for 50 |
| 02:21.40 | cafuego | helix: For a 12" one? Just fiiiine. |
| 02:21.52 | helix | cafuego: that's why I want the t42 and not the x40 |
| 02:21.57 | helix | size matters |
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| 02:22.12 | greycat | hmm... not quite qotd-worthy. |
| 02:22.16 | cafuego | Tell that to my 21" ;-) |
| 02:22.22 | justin | dan2: it's even worse if you try and buy 1G from apple, its like a $300 difference |
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| 02:22.46 | dan2 | justin: actually they charge 600 |
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| 02:23.14 | exobyte | cafuego: I'm back |
| 02:23.17 | justin | dan2: how much does crucial want for 1G? |
| 02:23.20 | andax | how can I lock users to their home directory in a way that programs like mc cannot exit from /home/loginname? |
| 02:23.34 | cafuego | So you buy you extra ram elsewhere. Surely you'd do the same with a dell/HP/whatever PC/laptop |
| 02:23.42 | digijohn | With Leafnode, how often does fetchnews get run? |
| 02:23.46 | dan2 | justin: lemme check |
| 02:24.00 | justin | cafuego: apples loss... |
| 02:24.02 | exobyte | cafuego: looks like someone else is in the laptop ram fun-fest |
| 02:24.23 | dan2 | justin: 356 |
| 02:24.36 | dan2 | justin: crucial is a micron memory company too :) |
| 02:24.40 | exobyte | cafuego: anyway.. the partition type is "Compaq diagnostics" |
| 02:24.49 | andax | i managed to install some brand pc ram into an apple ibook :)))) |
| 02:25.00 | andax | it's cheap and working |
| 02:25.20 | andax | sorry it was a powerbook dunno about ibook but should be possible |
| 02:25.24 | dan2 | justin: thats retarded, apple can't charge that much |
| 02:25.55 | dan2 | justin: nobody'd pay 300 bucks for someone to slide in a ram chip |
| 02:26.02 | justin | dan2: i guess its not as bad as when the ibooks came with 0 free ram slots, and to upgrade it yourself you had to throw out apples 128M chip |
| 02:26.14 | justin | dan2: sure explains why apple hasn't gone out of business yet |
| 02:27.09 | dan2 | justin: hehe |
| 02:27.12 | justin | ibm wants $670 for 1G for a t42 |
| 02:27.17 | helix | haha |
| 02:27.21 | helix | that's insane |
| 02:27.24 | dan2 | justin: so the prices are competitve |
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| 02:27.30 | justin | am I insane to want lots of ram? |
| 02:27.39 | dan2 | justin: 1 gig total or, 1gig addon |
| 02:27.50 | dan2 | justin: apple wanted 600 to give you 1.25G ra, |
| 02:27.52 | dan2 | Ram |
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| 02:28.01 | justin | dan2: addon, the base is only an unusable 256M |
| 02:28.19 | Guerin | 256 is not unusable |
| 02:28.25 | dan2 | justin: same goes for apple, only 600, and crucial is half price |
| 02:28.43 | justin | Guerin: if you actually use your computer it is |
| 02:28.49 | andax | justin: just try the ram modules from your desktop pc, with some luck they will work. |
| 02:28.56 | dan2 | Guerin: yes it is |
| 02:29.02 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 02:29.14 | dan2 | Guerin: I'd be happy if I could run eclipse for 5 minutes on that |
| 02:29.31 | Guerin | that's what you get for running a java IDE |
| 02:29.34 | andax | i went to a local computer store, tried 4 types of pc ram and the last one worked. don't buy from apple |
| 02:29.40 | justin | -/+ buffers/cache: 334 674 |
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| 02:31.26 | cafuego | yay, works in on go! |
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| 02:33.53 | Gumby | does the default kernel for debian sarge not include support for laptop battery monitoring? |
| 02:34.04 | greycat | try it and see. |
| 02:34.29 | Gumby | sorry, kernel 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 02:34.43 | justin | should make that, try it then see, then we could make a tits factoid |
| 02:34.50 | Gumby | I thought I had it working before without an issue, but this install it doesnt seem to be working |
| 02:35.03 | bob2 | it does indeed |
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| 02:35.07 | andax | any ideas how to use chroot to lock users to their home dir? |
| 02:35.11 | bob2 | perhaps you didn't load the 'battery' module? |
| 02:35.14 | greycat | !ssh chroot |
| 02:35.14 | dpkg | methinks ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425 and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 02:35.18 | bob2 | andax: you don't, it's pointless |
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| 02:35.43 | dogmeat_ | is there a simple command line util to kill all processes owned by a specific user? |
| 02:35.50 | greycat | dogmeat_: slay package... |
| 02:35.55 | dogmeat_ | thanks |
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| 02:36.00 | andax | bob2 : i don't want them to wander around the fs.. why should they? |
| 02:36.07 | greycat | andax: why shouldn't they? |
| 02:37.01 | andax | because i only want them to see their home dir, and only have access to a limited command set |
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| 02:37.13 | Guerin | andax: then you don't want to give them a shell. |
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| 02:41.40 | bob2 | andax: why does it matter? |
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| 02:41.44 | dogmeat | from netstat i see many open streams with stat connected, is there a way to close these streams ? |
| 02:41.48 | andax | so do you think they should just freely access /etc/passwd, see what others are doing, see others files...? |
| 02:42.03 | bob2 | sure |
| 02:42.04 | KirbyMeister | andax: you using shadow or md5 passwords? |
| 02:42.04 | greycat | andax: what "others files"? Make home directories 700 and it's over. |
| 02:42.14 | bob2 | andax: if you don't want them to, make those files unreadable |
| 02:42.17 | andax | i did 700 the home dirs |
| 02:42.24 | greycat | andax: then what's the issue? |
| 02:42.28 | Guerin | andax: permissions are for this specific purpose |
| 02:42.29 | bob2 | so what are you worried about? |
| 02:42.43 | bob2 | oh, wait |
| 02:42.46 | andax | hmm |
| 02:42.48 | bob2 | someone has to dissent |
| 02:42.56 | bob2 | or else it's "#debian groupthink" |
| 02:42.59 | Guerin | bob2: I can, if you want |
| 02:43.08 | bob2 | hm, I was gonna |
| 02:43.15 | Guerin | you'd probably do a better job |
| 02:43.17 | greycat | bob2: resistance is futile. |
| 02:43.18 | bob2 | I need to stand up for the right of sysadmins who don't know about chmod |
| 02:43.19 | andax | maybe... i should just set the permissions of all dirs and files on the system. good :) |
| 02:43.43 | Guerin | andax: no... the defaults are fine in almost all cases |
| 02:43.46 | greycat | andax: uh. never mind. go ahead. have fun. when it breaks, we get to laugh at you. |
| 02:43.56 | greycat | (not "if". "when".) |
| 02:44.04 | Guerin | andax: you even get asked if you want world-readable homedirs on install |
| 02:44.16 | bob2 | andax: maybe you should think your threats throught a bit more? :) |
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| 02:44.29 | bob2 | if you give someone a shell, they have a certain amount of power |
| 02:44.39 | bob2 | if you chroot them, then they can just scp in anything else they want |
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| 02:45.06 | Guerin | remember, if you can't go and spork them, or do something equally vicious if they fuck you over, don't give them a shell. |
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| 02:45.50 | Guerin | just chroot them with a busybox and run a shell script which cleans out their chroot on cron if you're really scared |
| 02:46.03 | Guerin | you will be contained! |
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| 02:46.23 | pmwilson | clean it out every 30 seconds.... |
| 02:46.26 | andax | :) |
| 02:46.30 | andax | good idea |
| 02:46.34 | pmwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.39 | andax | :))))))) |
| 02:46.41 | Guerin | then again |
| 02:46.53 | greycat | a bit hard to clean up a read-only file system... |
| 02:47.05 | Guerin | if you're going to do that you might as well just give them a ftp with no write privileges |
| 02:47.23 | Guerin | then they can log in and go 'yay, I'm logged in!' and do nothing else |
| 02:47.37 | greycat | make their shell /usr/games/wumpus |
| 02:47.43 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:47.44 | greycat | err, wump |
| 02:47.51 | nite_fly | does anyone know a site that lists the most used internet search terms |
| 02:47.56 | greycat | google |
| 02:48.03 | nite_fly | where on there |
| 02:48.03 | Guerin | nite_fly: google zeitgeist |
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| 02:49.56 | Vladi | hi, i get an error "no fonts match pattern -*-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" when i launch xboard and eboard can somone help? |
| 02:50.01 | PoonJ | hey guys..where could I find the nfs-root in the 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:50.14 | Guerin | PoonJ: in /etc/exports |
| 02:50.15 | IRCMonkey | Hi, I've to set up a Webserver... Should I use Apache1.3 or Apache 2.0 ? |
| 02:50.26 | Guerin | IRCMonkey: depends. |
| 02:50.28 | PoonJ | isn't it something that needs to be built-into the kernel? |
| 02:50.59 | Guerin | PoonJ: um, the default root you can share over nfs is /, though you'd be insane to do so. |
| 02:51.00 | IRCMonkey | Guerin: It should be for something like mass web hosting |
| 02:51.08 | PoonJ | no no |
| 02:51.14 | PoonJ | I'm setting up a LTSP server.. |
| 02:51.21 | PoonJ | and I need the kernel to support nfs-root... |
| 02:51.24 | Guerin | IRCMonkey: you should know what you're talking about before you ask such questions. |
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| 02:51.26 | PoonJ | for the client machine that is... |
| 02:51.32 | Guerin | PoonJ: oh right |
| 02:51.32 | PoonJ | but I don't see it in the 2.6 kernel.. |
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| 02:51.52 | Guerin | PoonJ: ok, I don't know about that. |
| 02:51.52 | PoonJ | is that osmething that only exists in the 2.4 kernel? |
| 02:51.53 | justin | PoonJ: its mostly the same place as in the 2.4 kernel.. |
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| 02:52.02 | PoonJ | I don't see it.. |
| 02:52.12 | IRCMonkey | Guerin: What do you mean ? Help me please.. |
| 02:52.26 | roo9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.27 | Guerin | IRCMonkey: wtf is 'mass web hosting'? |
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| 02:53.15 | wobbler | I have a strange problem going on here rite now my router is going crazy with activity but nothing is running and im lost at how to see what is connected to me any help would be helpful |
| 02:53.39 | IRCMonkey | Guerin: Oh sorry I mean a server with many users wich have their own homepages on it... |
| 02:53.39 | Guerin | IRCMonkey: you need to do your own research, based on what you're going to run, etc. If you're going to use php, use 1.3.x - otherwise either can work, afaik. Not much software only supports 2.0, but there's still a fair bit which only runs cleanly on 1.3 |
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| 02:54.05 | Guerin | IRCMonkey: you're going to be a webhost? |
| 02:54.12 | Guerin | like |
| 02:54.15 | Guerin | commercialwise? |
| 02:54.32 | IRCMonkey | Guerin: yes ;) |
| 02:54.37 | IRCMonkey | *ggggg* |
| 02:54.45 | Guerin | IRCMonkey: then you need to hire a webmaster. |
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| 02:55.49 | opopanax_gentoo | gentoo rocks |
| 02:55.56 | IRCMonkey | Guerin: ;) sure... Ok I just gonna run php and perl and python on it... |
| 02:55.57 | Guerin | opopanax_gentoo: gentoo trolls suck |
| 02:55.58 | roo9 | what's better CF or a microdrive? |
| 02:56.12 | Guerin | roo9: better for what? |
| 02:56.26 | roo9 | Guerin: in general |
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| 02:56.37 | ddfire | hi |
| 02:56.51 | Guerin | roo9: neither. they both have benefits and drawbacks. |
| 02:57.02 | opopanax_gentoo | i like debian too. |
| 02:57.03 | muaddib | hello all |
| 02:57.04 | muaddib | question I am trying to connect an a USB based storage device to myh linux box running kernel 2.4.28 and for some reason I am geting the error USBdevice not accepting new address=2 (error=-110) |
| 02:57.05 | muaddib | Has anyone recieved this error |
| 02:57.07 | greycat | what's better: a salad or a ham sandwich? |
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| 02:57.21 | roo9 | greycat: salad, I am a vegiterian |
| 02:57.26 | tome | mmmm food |
| 02:57.27 | Guerin | roo9: I'm not. |
| 02:57.50 | greycat | well, we can see that a vegetarian diet does not improve spelling... |
| 02:57.56 | ddfire | one simple question where i shuold put a script so it execute before the kde start??? |
| 02:58.04 | roo9 | greycat: too much holiday partying |
| 02:58.08 | muaddib | I can't seem to find much documentation on the error |
| 02:58.09 | greycat | ddfire: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 02:58.10 | Gumby | if I dont want eth0 to start at boot what is the syntax in /etc/network/interfaces... is it "noauto eth0" or just "eth0" instead of "auto eth0" |
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| 02:58.23 | JoePenguin | Guerin: man interfaces |
| 02:58.30 | JoePenguin | oops |
| 02:58.32 | greycat | Gumby: just comment out the auto line |
| 02:58.32 | ddfire | thanks |
| 02:58.33 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:58.33 | JoePenguin | Gumby: man interfaces |
| 02:58.35 | Guerin | that was weird |
| 02:58.41 | bucky | Gumby, auto lo |
| 02:58.41 | Guerin | I had typed the same thing |
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| 02:58.50 | Bohemian | Hi |
| 02:59.00 | Guerin | then I saw someone elase telling me... |
| 02:59.15 | Bohemian | I'm thinking about switching to debian |
| 02:59.37 | JoePenguin | Bohemian: so... you're looking for someone to push you over the edge? |
| 02:59.41 | Guerin | eh |
| 02:59.45 | Bohemian | JoePenguin: whats the advantages over gentoo? |
| 02:59.50 | Guerin | Bohemian: not shit. |
| 02:59.52 | greycat | !why debian |
| 02:59.52 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 02:59.57 | Guerin | that's a pretty big advantage |
| 03:00.04 | KirbyMeister | Bohemian: 2 words: If your a windows user, you probably have already been hacke |
| 03:00.08 | Bohemian | Guerin: whats wrong with gentoo? |
| 03:00.08 | KirbyMeister | *d |
| 03:00.11 | Bohemian | i use gentoo |
| 03:00.16 | Bohemian | and openbsd as a firewall |
| 03:00.17 | KirbyMeister | Bohemian: Oh. |
| 03:00.19 | Bohemian | all SELinux |
| 03:00.27 | KirbyMeister | Bohemian: I thought you were a windows user |
| 03:00.33 | KirbyMeister | Bohemian: and a GNUbie |
| 03:00.36 | Guerin | hah, gentoo AND SEL |
| 03:00.43 | Gumby | can anyone here tell me how I might see if a specific option in my kernel is enabled or disabled? |
| 03:00.48 | Bohemian | KirbyMeister: nope |
| 03:00.52 | greycat | Gumby: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 03:00.57 | Guerin | Gumby: grep FOO /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 03:01.27 | Bohemian | I mean, I run a server on gentoo |
| 03:01.31 | Bohemian | And it runs faster and stable |
| 03:01.37 | Guerin | this just gets better and better |
| 03:01.37 | greycat | faster than what? |
| 03:01.43 | roo9 | Guerin: the only side of the issue i can find is the "Microdrives were good when CF cards were too small, now they are outdated because they contain moving parts while CF does not", any idea on the opposing viewpoint? |
| 03:01.43 | Bohemian | debian is slow |
| 03:01.44 | Bohemian | imo |
| 03:01.51 | greycat | benchmarks? |
| 03:02.00 | Guerin | itym imtuaio |
| 03:02.04 | greycat | I mean, come on, "slow" can't be an "opinion". |
| 03:02.22 | roo9 | Bohemian: define slow? slow booting, slow in general? |
| 03:02.23 | Bohemian | Well, the only gripe I have is firefox crashes |
| 03:02.26 | justin | gentoo used to be about speed, then they gave up and started wanking about USE flags |
| 03:02.27 | Bohemian | slow in general |
| 03:02.31 | Bohemian | i need a fast boot too |
| 03:02.35 | Bohemian | i use a laptop on one machien |
| 03:02.37 | Guerin | roo9: that'ss about right. they're still cheaper than CF per space |
| 03:02.52 | Bohemian | justin: whats wrong with USE flags? |
| 03:02.54 | Bohemian | I love portage |
| 03:02.58 | Bohemian | nice and up to date |
| 03:03.07 | roo9 | Guerin: not actually |
| 03:03.09 | greycat | !why debian |
| 03:03.09 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 03:03.14 | greycat | there, read those, be enlightened |
| 03:03.18 | Bohemian | ive read them |
| 03:03.26 | greycat | no you didn't. |
| 03:03.36 | greycat | srivasta's alone will take at least 15 minutes |
| 03:03.37 | roo9 | Guerin: I did the math, the cheapest I can find is a 2.2GB CF for 75$ |
| 03:03.51 | roo9 | Guerin: 2.2GB Microdrive 89$ |
| 03:04.03 | Bohemian | the first one |
| 03:04.06 | Bohemian | gentoo has better forums |
| 03:04.16 | justin | if you consider forums a good thing |
| 03:04.18 | Bohemian | gnetoo has more software |
| 03:04.25 | greycat | Fine, go run Gentoo. |
| 03:04.30 | Bohemian | i already do |
| 03:04.32 | pngwn | he's not even a good troll |
| 03:04.32 | Guerin | roo9: hrm, interesting. Cheaper != better, though, all other things equal. |
| 03:04.41 | Guerin | !dstats sid |
| 03:04.45 | Bohemian | im not trying to troll |
| 03:04.49 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16318 packages, 1414 maintainers, 31924 MB installed size, 10235 MB compressed size. |
| 03:04.57 | roo9 | Guerin: well... cheaper is all I can afford, I'm a poor college student. |
| 03:05.03 | Bohemian | i was thinking about running one for my server |
| 03:05.03 | roo9 | !dstats woody |
| 03:05.08 | Guerin | Bohemian: gentoo has 16,000 packages per branch, per arch? |
| 03:05.12 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on woody... 8974 packages, 984 maintainers, 13432 MB installed size, 4305 MB compressed size. |
| 03:05.17 | Bohemian | not sure |
| 03:05.22 | greycat | 22:04 Bohemian> gnetoo has more software |
| 03:05.39 | roo9 | wow 1/2 the packages in woody, how many of those sid packages will never make it to stable? |
| 03:05.42 | greycat | how can you say it has more software if you're "not sure" how many packages it has? |
| 03:05.48 | Guerin | roo9: not many. |
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| 03:06.03 | roo9 | wow, I continue to be amazed by debian... |
| 03:06.07 | Bohemian | theres over 10k |
| 03:06.15 | Bohemian | ebuilds |
| 03:06.27 | roo9 | 16K>10K |
| 03:06.35 | Bohemian | how much is useless crap |
| 03:06.43 | Bohemian | i have less than 50 packages emerged on my main PC |
| 03:06.56 | roo9 | how can you even boot with 50 packages... |
| 03:07.03 | Guerin | Bohemian: none of it. And it's all official, unlike a lot of the gentoo stuff, which is contributed. |
| 03:07.04 | Bohemian | theres one hundred thousand packages |
| 03:07.19 | Bohemian | roo9: i should say, ive emerge 50 different apps |
| 03:07.22 | Bohemian | more packages im sure |
| 03:07.24 | Guerin | Bohemian: well, if you break every backage down to one file, sure... |
| 03:07.39 | roo9 | Bohemian: it's all useless crap, until you need it, then it's life-saving crap |
| 03:07.45 | Gumby | grep FOO /boot/config-$(uname -r) <-- does this show ALL options? both enabled ones and ones that can be enabled? |
| 03:07.55 | Guerin | emerge /etc/passwd .... 0pt1m1zing /etc/passwd for j00r system, plz wait kthx ......... |
| 03:08.00 | Guerin | ....... |
| 03:08.06 | Guerin | ....... |
| 03:08.06 | Bohemian | i have firefox, dillo, irssi, gaim, bitlbee, aterm, rox, xmms, xine, oo, acroread, gqview, gimp |
| 03:08.17 | Bohemian | roo9: that can be found on sourceforge etc |
| 03:09.10 | roo9 | Gumby: only enabled... AFAIK |
| 03:09.10 | greycat | debian's packages are broken apart with finer granularity than the upstream |
| 03:09.17 | bucky | i only have 8710 deb packages available on 11 platforms |
| 03:09.32 | Guerin | bucky: that's stable, which is 2 years and 5 months old. |
| 03:09.41 | bucky | * |
| 03:09.44 | roo9 | woody is 2 years old! wow |
| 03:09.50 | greycat | more than 2, realistically |
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| 03:09.56 | Guerin | bucky: if you feel like going back in time to any other distro, we can play that game too. |
| 03:10.08 | greycat | it froze approximately 3 years ago |
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| 03:10.12 | bucky | are you a gentoo user too? |
| 03:10.18 | Bohemian | cheers |
| 03:10.18 | roo9 | time flies |
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| 03:10.23 | sanxiyn | http://www.gnome.org/~michael/impress-1.9.png |
| 03:10.24 | justin | find /var/www/debian/ -name '*.deb'|wc -l = 15175 for sarge-386 |
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| 03:10.31 | sanxiyn | (OOo Impress 1.9) |
| 03:11.05 | roo9 | justin: you have pool in /var/www/debian ? |
| 03:11.51 | roo9 | sanxiyn: ? |
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| 03:11.57 | justin | roo9: mirror |
| 03:12.00 | NilsR | Is it normal to have a /.dev directory? (I can't get google to let me search for "/.dev", unfortunately...) |
| 03:12.06 | Gumby | hrm, if I am building a kernel from source I guess that 2.6.9 is the latest I can do with debian packages? |
| 03:12.13 | Guerin | sanxiyn: did you BFS, or are you using some packages? |
| 03:12.14 | Gumby | (if I am using sarge) |
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| 03:12.22 | sanxiyn | Guerin: It's not my screenshot. |
| 03:12.25 | Guerin | Gumby: umm, 2.6.9 is the latest release kernel |
| 03:12.31 | greycat | Gumby: you can build your own deb from upstream kernel.org sources |
| 03:12.33 | Guerin | unless they put one out while I was in seoul for christmas |
| 03:12.40 | roo9 | Guerin: they did... |
| 03:12.45 | Guerin | sanxiyn: oh, of course. |
| 03:12.48 | roo9 | linus released on on christmas eve |
| 03:12.53 | greycat | curl http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner |
| 03:12.55 | satHan | does anyone know how I can make my USB joystick detect without having to reboot every time I unplug it? I've tried installing both hotplug and usbmgr, they don't seem to work |
| 03:12.59 | Guerin | oh, so they did |
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| 03:13.32 | greycat | what's sad is that the only way I can get that command is to ask dpkg "finger @kernel.org" |
| 03:13.40 | greycat | nobody seems to have command lines in mind over at kernel.org |
| 03:13.41 | d_l0rd | does the package management software download and compiles packages or just downloads binaries? |
| 03:14.03 | greycat | d_l0rd: binaries, unless you say otherwise |
| 03:14.03 | KirbyMeister | d/ls binaries, methinks |
| 03:14.57 | roo9 | emerge compiles stuff from source? I have never really used anything besides debian (in a long, long time) |
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| 03:15.04 | Guerin | roo9: yes. |
| 03:16.05 | d_l0rd | ok thanks |
| 03:16.05 | greycat | emerge is based on *BSD's "ports" system, but they seem to have forgotten that the BSD ports are OPTIONAL EXTRA CRAP that's not part of the base OS |
| 03:16.17 | roo9 | where can i find x? |
| 03:16.30 | greycat | and they forgot that *BSD offers compiled binary packages of all the common ports, on common arches |
| 03:16.42 | greycat | roo9: next to 'z' on my keyboard |
| 03:16.55 | roo9 | that sucks... I suppose the idea was to make it somewhat architecture-independant? |
| 03:17.06 | greycat | roo9: no, the idea is that compiling shit is l33t |
| 03:17.15 | _d4vid | _p |
| 03:17.39 | Guerin | roo9: gentoo is only supported on three archen, I think ... maybe 4 now with amd64 |
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| 03:19.13 | roo9 | Guerin: for the life of me i can never figure out why anyone would use anything but debian, or at least a debian derivative like ubuntu. |
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| 03:19.43 | Guerin | people believe the hype that deian is old |
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| 03:19.56 | roo9 | I installed ubuntu on my mother's laptop |
| 03:20.09 | roo9 | my entire house is now windows-free... I'm so happy... no more viruses |
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| 03:20.20 | Guerin | I installed sarge on my mother's laptop :) |
| 03:20.55 | satHan | does anyone know how I can make my USB joystick detect without having to reboot? I've tried installing both hotplug and usbmgr, they don't seem to work |
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| 03:23.36 | roo9 | satHan: try rmmod'ing and modprobing the driver |
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| 03:23.57 | satHan | roo9: it doesn't have a driver, it's a generic usb device |
| 03:24.01 | Gumby | if I have not previously compiled a kernel where might I be able to find the current .config that had been used? I'd like to use what I currently have in my kernel plus a few other options. I dont want to mess with it all that much if possible |
| 03:24.21 | satHan | roo9: I have a nVidia module loaded and hang-checktimer, thats all |
| 03:24.29 | roo9 | setup: rmmod and insmod the generic usb driver |
| 03:24.34 | KirbyMeister | Hey, can anyone help me with sound support? my 'sound card' constitutes a plug on my motherboard. lspci lists a 'Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller'. What module should I load in modconf? |
| 03:24.53 | findme | Gumby, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/.config |
| 03:25.14 | Gumby | findme: thats the same as the modules I currently am using? |
| 03:25.22 | Brice_ | wow.. pear/php is way out of date in Woody ;( I'm running a production server, but need to update PHP version ,etc. so far I only have "stable" in apt-sources. Is there a non risky, secure (as in now + future updates) method of updating PHP ? |
| 03:25.49 | Guerin | KirbyMeister: /msg dpkg ac97 |
| 03:26.09 | findme | Gumby, where 2.6.8 is your kernel version, also make sure you read about initrd. It should be the same modules as you are using if you compiled it earlier or you downloaded a custom one. |
| 03:26.10 | Guerin | !dotdeb |
| 03:26.10 | dpkg | hmm... dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ |
| 03:26.38 | Gumby | findme: I already said I had not previously compiled a kernel |
| 03:26.43 | Brice_ | Guerin, that for me ? :) |
| 03:26.52 | Guerin | Brice_: if you want it. |
| 03:26.55 | findme | Gumby, then it is the .config whoever built it. |
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| 03:27.56 | Brice_ | Guerin, is it safe? :) |
| 03:28.04 | Gumby | findme: what I am asking is there anything available from the default 2.6.9.1 available in debian that I can use. As I want it pretty much the same as I have it now, but with two other options enabled |
| 03:28.22 | Guerin | Brice_: I use it. |
| 03:28.35 | Brice_ | looks cool.. just way unofficial |
| 03:28.40 | Guerin | Gumby: there is no 2.6.9.1 kernel |
| 03:28.47 | Guerin | Brice_: it is unofficial. |
| 03:29.11 | Gumby | findme: will the kernel-source-2.6.9 .config be the same as the defaul 2.6.9-1 kernel config |
| 03:29.19 | Gumby | Guerin: 2.6.9-1 |
| 03:29.24 | Guerin | Gumby: yes, it is. |
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| 03:29.27 | exobyte_ | so... samba doesn't seem to like making files > 2gb. The server runs winxp. I have no NFS mounts. Ideas? |
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| 03:29.33 | Gumby | Guerin: ok great, thx |
| 03:29.34 | Brice_ | right.. but security is my bottom line.. and I was wondering if there was a more recognized way of updating PHP for woody on stable/production systems |
| 03:29.34 | Guerin | Gumby: so just make oldconfig |
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| 03:29.50 | Guerin | exobyte_: this is a windows issue |
| 03:30.09 | Guerin | exobyte_: I blame the fat32 filesystem |
| 03:30.15 | exobyte_ | Guerin: kinda. the mount was done in debian |
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| 03:30.19 | exobyte_ | Guerin: ntfs |
| 03:30.22 | Gumby | Guerin: .... |
| 03:30.24 | Gumby | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:369: error: `stderr' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 03:30.25 | Gumby | make[1]: *** [scripts/basic/fixdep] Error 1 |
| 03:30.25 | Gumby | make: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2 |
| 03:30.54 | OhSmiTt | can I install onto a second hard disk (hdc) while the system is running? |
| 03:30.55 | Guerin | !tell Gumby about kp |
| 03:30.58 | Guerin | !tell Gumby about kp mantra |
| 03:31.07 | OhSmiTt | install debian that is |
| 03:31.09 | Gumby | am I running make oldconfig from the wrone place? /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.9 |
| 03:31.12 | Guerin | exobyte_: I dunno then. |
| 03:31.38 | exobyte_ | Guerin: well.. I'll try smb and my other debian box. Well- one is a knoppix laptop |
| 03:32.14 | Guerin | Brice_: no, there isn't. It's tricky in woody because php upstream doesn't support 4.1.x, which is what woody has - and that means thedebian security team have to find and backport each fix individually, blindfolded, as it were. |
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| 03:32.41 | Guerin | Brice_: it's a bad situation, but at this stage it seems better to use backports. |
| 03:32.48 | Guerin | !php4 security |
| 03:32.49 | dpkg | [php4 security] Yes, another hole has been found in php4. Versions prior to 4.3.10 are vulnerable. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2004/12/msg00069.html and associated discussion. |
| 03:32.58 | Guerin | Brice_: that link above has some discussion |
| 03:33.02 | Brice_ | k |
| 03:33.04 | Brice_ | thanks |
| 03:33.22 | Brice_ | will use dotdeb for now.. it just seems like a nice target ;) |
| 03:34.26 | Guerin | OhSmiTt: nothing is stopping you installing debian on a second hard drive ... why would it? |
| 03:34.39 | OhSmiTt | Guerin: while the system is running |
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| 03:34.47 | Guerin | OhSmiTt: yeah, so? |
| 03:35.02 | Guerin | OhSmiTt: there are ways of installing which don't require you to boot from cd |
| 03:35.04 | OhSmiTt | I don't want to install the bootstrap by booting media I want to just run it from a shell |
| 03:35.12 | OhSmiTt | Guerin: you have any links? |
| 03:35.19 | Guerin | !chroot install |
| 03:35.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 03:35.31 | OhSmiTt | thk! |
| 03:35.39 | Guerin | OhSmiTt: or you can use qemu and boot from the debian cd in emulation |
| 03:35.55 | OhSmiTt | qemu i'll look that up too |
| 03:36.00 | Guerin | but that's probably more hassle than just using debootstrap |
| 03:36.10 | OhSmiTt | ok |
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| 03:37.00 | sanxiyn | PHP incident too bad. |
| 03:37.09 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:37.25 | Guerin | I wish I could realistically get rid of alll the php on my box |
| 03:37.39 | Guerin | but for some reason all the non-php webmail apps are all sshit |
| 03:37.45 | sanxiyn | Also http://blog.drinsama.de/erich/en/linux/debian/2004122601-nosecurity |
| 03:37.58 | Guerin | and my users are all hooked on php CMS and gallery software |
| 03:38.29 | OhSmiTt | Guerin: what language would you rather use? |
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| 03:39.04 | sword- | sup |
| 03:39.06 | Guerin | yeah, that does suck |
| 03:39.13 | Guerin | OhSmiTt: perl |
| 03:39.30 | satHan | does anyone know how I can make my USB joystick detect without having to reboot? I've tried installing both hotplug and usbmgr, they don't seem to work |
| 03:39.33 | OhSmiTt | hehe, never any exploits in that ... |
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| 03:40.18 | OhSmiTt | and mod_perl doesn't seem to be the easiest things for perl programmers to adapt to |
| 03:40.23 | Guerin | OhSmiTt: I need a wiki (twiki), a gallery (libapache-gallery-perl), a webmail suite and a cms. There are plenty of cms suites in perl (even slashcode, heh), but I can't seem to find a decent perl webmail app |
| 03:40.36 | OhSmiTt | hmm |
| 03:40.47 | Guerin | OhSmiTt: perl seems to be easier to code securely than php |
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| 03:41.12 | P-A | Modify your system init script <- where can i find it? |
| 03:41.21 | Jebediah | bob2: I found out my problem with the card reader was not having the probe all scsi luns option set in the kernel config. Thanks for your help |
| 03:41.24 | OhSmiTt | Guerin: I think it has to do with the background of programmers php programemrs seem more green than most perl programmers |
| 03:41.48 | Guerin | perlwebmail gives a 500 error for what appeears to be no reason; openwebmail is a fucking behemoth of a thing, camail is only documented in spanish and I can't figure it out, etc... |
| 03:41.57 | Guerin | OhSmiTt: yeah, thet may be true. |
| 03:42.09 | sanxiyn | Guerin: openwebmail behemoth. How true. |
| 03:42.37 | Guerin | sanxiyn: it looks fantastic, but it's massive overkil[l for me and my wife and my mum to use when we're away from our home machines |
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| 03:43.28 | Guerin | P-A: in /etc/init.d/ |
| 03:43.45 | CSWookie | I just made a module package with make-kpkg for ndiswrapper. When I try to install it, I get this message: depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 03:43.53 | Guerin | P-A: but it's almost never wise to edit those scripts directly; see if there's something in /etc/default first |
| 03:43.57 | Guerin | !qm_modules |
| 03:43.57 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 03:44.00 | CSWookie | What does this mean? |
| 03:44.20 | lunaphyte | hi all |
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| 03:44.59 | P-A | Guerin: its for quota |
| 03:45.54 | lunaphyte | why might there be 2 additional ports opened when setting up tls support for postfix in debian (465 and 587)? |
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| 03:46.11 | Guerin | lunaphyte: what does nmap or netstat say? |
| 03:46.32 | sanxiyn | lunaphyte: That's normal. |
| 03:46.43 | sanxiyn | lunaphyte: SMTP over SSL and SMTP submission. |
| 03:46.48 | Guerin | yes |
| 03:46.56 | Guerin | as per /etc/services also |
| 03:47.29 | lunaphyte | i guess my question is if starttls on 25 works as expected, why the additional 2? |
| 03:47.49 | sanxiyn | lunaphyte: Who knows. :( |
| 03:47.51 | Guerin | lunaphyte: becaause starttls isn't the only way of doing encrypted smtp |
| 03:48.04 | Guerin | lunaphyte: some old clients don't support it, I think. |
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| 03:48.12 | sanxiyn | Encrypted SMTP doesn't make much sense, IMO. |
| 03:48.29 | Guerin | why not? |
| 03:48.47 | sanxiyn | Hops between origin to destination. |
| 03:49.02 | sanxiyn | Encrypting mail message makes much more sense. |
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| 03:49.07 | lunaphyte | guerin: makes sense - if i know my client base is fine w/ starttls on 25, i'm thinking it's probably fine/safe to drop those 2 ports? |
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| 03:49.49 | lunaphyte | sanxiyn: the reasoning for encrypting is related to passing credentials for relaying, not to protect the message contents |
| 03:49.52 | Guerin | right. In my case, most of my family's email is hosted on the same machine; so with encrypted smtp and encrypted pop or imap, any communication between us is encrypted end-to-end - except for it being on disk on the host box |
| 03:50.16 | Guerin | lunaphyte: yeah, I don't have them open. |
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| 03:50.50 | lunaphyte | isn't submission a 'newer' thing? what clients use this by default? |
| 03:52.09 | lunaphyte | port 587, rather than 25, i mean |
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| 03:54.00 | reverse_dsn_head | I had a reverse dns issue. If I dont have access to my nameserver i get a timeout delay say when i ssh into my debian box. However with my old rdhat 7.3 box, i notice that with /etc/resolv.conf just the single line search localhost, ssh is immediate without a timeout. why is there a differnce between the two distributions? |
| 03:55.22 | sanxiyn | lunaphyte: I think you just need to set outgoing mailserver port to 587. |
| 03:55.41 | karsten | reverse_dsn_head: hosts file? |
| 03:56.01 | sanxiyn | lunaphyte: (that is, no special support needed from clients) |
| 03:56.19 | lunaphyte | sanxiyn: just curious what the thinking is behind using 587 to send mail vs. 25. |
| 03:56.57 | reverse_dsn_head | if i put in a hosts file, with all the local addresses, of course i can get rid of the timeout, |
| 03:57.07 | sanxiyn | lunaphyte: To block outgoing 25 from non-mailservers. |
| 03:57.21 | sanxiyn | (Block port 25 in ADSL, etc.) |
| 03:57.29 | sanxiyn | Anti-spam thing. |
| 03:58.14 | lunaphyte | sanxiyn: i see. |
| 04:00.02 | P-A | someone here that uses quota and can help me a little? |
| 04:00.32 | lunaphyte | guerin / sanxiyn: thanks for the help :) |
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| 04:01.53 | reverse_dsn_head | but i am puzzled why i never had a timeout on the redhat 7.3 or fedora. If configured without nameservers in the /etc/resolv.conf, it doesn't bother to look for a reverse dns lookup. It also affects other network services that are keyed by ip address on my local lan. On the redhat they happen immediately, on debian unless i shourtcircuit by fillingin ip addresses in /etc/hosts or doing "option timeout:0 attempts:0" in /e |
| 04:01.54 | reverse_dsn_head | timeout delay. |
| 04:02.06 | satHan | does anyone know how I can make my USB joystick detect without having to reboot? I've tried installing both hotplug and usbmgr, they don't seem to work |
| 04:03.37 | mrwoody | I would like to unmount a dvd, but i get Resource busy ... and fuser doesn't give anything at all... what else can I do? |
| 04:03.47 | mrwoody | i can't see any D process either |
| 04:03.48 | sanxiyn | reverse_dsn_head: Hm. |
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| 04:04.26 | mrwoody | satHan: did you install the module? |
| 04:04.50 | satHan | mrwoody: It works fine after every reboot, when I only have nVidia and hangcheck-timer loaded |
| 04:04.55 | spilo | I need simple help: need to get and install unicode font for Georgian language. please help me. |
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| 04:05.27 | mrwoody | satHan: when doesn't it work, then/ |
| 04:05.33 | reverse_dsn_head | interesting huh? i have been stumped on this for days. I have been trying to figue out setting up my own internal dns sever on my lan just to get past this. it is annoying to use perl scritps to fill my /etc/hosts file with all the local ip addresses.... |
| 04:05.41 | satHan | if I unplug it, then plug it back in while the system is still on |
| 04:05.52 | satHan | it stops working and doesn't get re-configured |
| 04:06.07 | mrwoody | satHan: try modprobe something after you reinstall it |
| 04:06.16 | satHan | alright.. |
| 04:06.21 | spilo | satHan : maybe because it is initialized at boot up? |
| 04:06.22 | sanxiyn | spilo: Check http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/georgian.html |
| 04:06.37 | sanxiyn | "You can find some or all of the characters in this range in the Windows Unicode fonts Arial Unicode MS, BPG Classic 99U, BPG Paata Khutsuri U, Code2000, Everson Mono Unicode, Sylfaen, and TITUS Cyberbit Basic." |
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| 04:07.17 | spilo | thank you sanxiyn, I will read that now.. |
| 04:08.12 | sanxiyn | spilo: It seems fonts from BPG is free as in beer. |
| 04:09.02 | satHan | mrwoody: my only usb modules are for a ti89, and for a legousbtower |
| 04:09.15 | satHan | mrwoody: is there anyway to restart the usb system? |
| 04:09.17 | sanxiyn | http://www.geocities.com/bpgfonts/ |
| 04:09.33 | mrwoody | satHan: usbcore? |
| 04:09.46 | satHan | mrwoody: it's compiled in, not a module though... |
| 04:09.56 | mrwoody | satHan: you might want to change that |
| 04:10.04 | mrwoody | satHan: otherwise I don't have better advices |
| 04:10.06 | P-A | anyone that have some time to help me set my first quota? |
| 04:10.12 | satHan | mrwoody: ok thanks |
| 04:10.18 | mrwoody | satHan: np |
| 04:10.21 | P-A | i dont get how it works |
| 04:10.43 | spilo | sanxiyn: there is nothing regarding linuxes there |
| 04:10.52 | mrwoody | I would like to unmount a dvd, but i get Resource busy ... and fuser doesn't give anything at all... what else can I do? |
| 04:11.18 | sanxiyn | spilo: It's truetype font. Put it under your ~/.fonts and it's done. |
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| 04:11.45 | sanxiyn | spilo: Download at http://www.geocities.com/bpgfonts/files/ |
| 04:11.57 | spilo | sanxiyn: can you give me the download link please? I cant see the characters right.. |
| 04:12.08 | sanxiyn | spilo: I just did :-) |
| 04:12.13 | spilo | thank you |
| 04:12.33 | spilo | where is ~/.fonts? |
| 04:12.43 | spilo | in my home dir? |
| 04:13.00 | ll_ | mrwoody: lsof | grep /cdrom ? |
| 04:13.02 | Guerin | spilo: ~ means /home/yourusername |
| 04:13.44 | spilo | sanxiyn: which font should i get? all true tipes are supported in linux? cos i copied one from windows once and it did not work.. |
| 04:13.45 | sanxiyn | spilo: Don't download "All BPG fonts" zip file though. Download individual zips. |
| 04:13.55 | sanxiyn | spilo: Huh, it didn't work? Strange. |
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| 04:14.05 | Guerin | spilo: you didn't do it right, then. |
| 04:14.08 | mrwoody | ll_: thanks |
| 04:14.16 | sanxiyn | (That "All BPG fonts" thing is "font installer" written in Microsoft Word macro[!]. Stupid.) |
| 04:14.22 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 04:14.27 | arango | has anyone heard anything about Linux on the OQO ? |
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| 04:14.54 | Guerin | applying for jobs here is such a pain |
| 04:15.17 | Guerin | everyone wants everything in MS Word format, and all the applications documents are in Word format too |
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| 04:15.28 | sanxiyn | Anyway, for unicode fonts, Alan Wood's site is a great resource. |
| 04:15.42 | spilo | there seems not to be fonts dir |
| 04:15.47 | Guerin | spilo: make it |
| 04:15.48 | spilo | /home/spilo/.fonts |
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| 04:17.49 | spilo | guys.. all these fonts on the site are giving error.. I mean I cant extract them |
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| 04:18.11 | Guerin | spilo: why not? |
| 04:18.11 | fman | hey all |
| 04:18.35 | spilo | Error occured while loading the Archive |
| 04:18.41 | fman | I've got an existing debian machine, is it possible to build another one from fresh, but have it install the exact same packages from the existing machine ? |
| 04:18.51 | Guerin | spilo: what are you using to decompress them? |
| 04:18.51 | sanxiyn | Actually, any directory listed at /etc/fonts/fonts.conf with <dir> tag is okay. |
| 04:19.02 | spilo | I doubleclick on them |
| 04:19.04 | spilo | gnome |
| 04:19.07 | Guerin | fman: yes. |
| 04:19.12 | sanxiyn | (Put truetype fonts there and it will be found.) |
| 04:19.14 | arango | I need a PDA-sized computer that can run Linux/Debian, any recommendations ? |
| 04:19.21 | sanxiyn | spilo: Huh, it should work :-) |
| 04:19.28 | Guerin | spilo: use 'unzip' from the command line |
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| 04:19.37 | fman | Guerin: it is straight forward enough to do? |
| 04:19.41 | arango | aside from zaurus and IPAQ |
| 04:19.42 | Guerin | fman: yes. |
| 04:19.59 | Guerin | fman: if you ask a non-yes/no question, I might even asnwer it in more than one word. |
| 04:20.08 | fman | ok - how do I do this then :) |
| 04:20.16 | fman | (you can't say yes to that) :) |
| 04:20.37 | spilo | command not found |
| 04:20.53 | Guerin | fman: on the existing computer; do dpkg --get-selections > package.list |
| 04:20.58 | sanxiyn | spilo: Install unzip :-) |
| 04:21.01 | spilo | I have been struggling all day.. and yesterday too.. |
| 04:21.02 | sanxiyn | spilo: apt-get install unzip |
| 04:21.34 | fman | ok |
| 04:21.48 | Guerin | fman: then copy file.list to the new machine, and run cat package.list |dpkg --set-selections |
| 04:21.56 | Guerin | fman: then run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:22.11 | sanxiyn | spilo: After installing unzip, double-click in GNOME should work fine. |
| 04:22.38 | Guerin | it should at least say something meaningful like "make sure you have the right decompressor installed" |
| 04:22.40 | reverse_dsn_head | Guerin, do you hae any ideas about my question with reverse dns. differences between debian an redhat if there is no nameserver given in the /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:22.46 | fman | great - thanks for that |
| 04:22.53 | fman | have written that in the book of tricks |
| 04:22.54 | Guerin | I mean, if it's going to be idiot-proof it might as well actually be helpful |
| 04:22.56 | P-A | how can i know how many blocks 1gb and 2gb is? |
| 04:23.07 | Guerin | P-A: depends on the size of the blocks |
| 04:23.17 | P-A | ok |
| 04:23.29 | Guerin | reverse_dsn_head: I really don't know much about dns and /etc/hosts, actually. |
| 04:23.40 | reverse_dsn_head | on debian i get a 10 second timeout while on redhat it doesnt do revers dns check for an ip with ssh 192.168.7.3 |
| 04:24.11 | P-A | the partition is ext3 how can i check the size of the blocks? |
| 04:24.16 | Guerin | my ssh doesn't try to do dns lookups, by default |
| 04:24.22 | Guerin | at least, i don't think it does |
| 04:24.28 | reverse_dsn_head | sorry, i know you know more than me on stuff generally :) (alot) |
| 04:24.42 | Caelum | reverse_dsn_head: try ssh -vvv to see what happens |
| 04:25.17 | Guerin | P-A: df or fdisk -l |
| 04:25.28 | spilo | do i have to restart anything after I paste fonts there |
| 04:25.34 | reverse_dsn_head | it gives me a very vvverbose usage |
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| 04:26.31 | Caelum | reverse_dsn_head: I mean, connect with -vvv |
| 04:26.47 | Guerin | P-A: don't tell me; read it |
| 04:27.13 | Guerin | P-A: don't message me |
| 04:27.20 | P-A | mkey srt |
| 04:27.22 | P-A | mkey sry |
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| 04:27.29 | P-A | thx anyway |
| 04:27.33 | Guerin | P-A: it quite clearly says how many blocks and how big they are |
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| 04:28.05 | sanxiyn | spilo: Run fc-cache on terminal. |
| 04:28.10 | sanxiyn | spilo: I don't think any other thing is needed. |
| 04:28.26 | spilo | guys.. i have placed ttf files in ~/.fonts now what? do i restart anything? |
| 04:28.44 | P-A | Guerin: i dont get it :/ |
| 04:29.06 | sanxiyn | spilo: So decompression worked okay :-) |
| 04:29.17 | Guerin | P-A: the output of df has a column labelled iK blocks |
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| 04:29.19 | Guerin | err |
| 04:29.23 | Guerin | 1K blocks |
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| 04:29.40 | P-A | 1K blocks = 1gb? |
| 04:29.52 | spilo | yes |
| 04:29.55 | dan2 | is braven a word? |
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| 04:29.59 | spilo | after I installed "unzip" |
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| 04:30.07 | daesotho | hehe set POSIX_ME_HARDER to see output in .5kb blocks |
| 04:30.09 | Guerin | dan2: no |
| 04:30.11 | spilo | let me check browser now.. see if fonts can be seen right.. |
| 04:30.12 | joss | bind9 pros here some? |
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| 04:30.22 | Myren | how do i get a package source? |
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| 04:30.28 | Myren | crap, i dont have a src listing |
| 04:30.30 | Guerin | Myren: apt-get source |
| 04:30.34 | P-A | Guerin: so 1k blocks = 1gb |
| 04:30.40 | sanxiyn | P-A: ??? |
| 04:30.40 | Guerin | umm, no |
| 04:30.47 | Guerin | 1K blocks = 1K |
| 04:30.49 | spilo | Yes! |
| 04:30.51 | spilo | Great |
| 04:30.54 | sanxiyn | spilo: ^^ |
| 04:30.54 | spilo | works |
| 04:30.55 | Guerin | bizarre, I know |
| 04:31.07 | daesotho | lol |
| 04:31.09 | Gumby | Guerin: ok, any idea about this one... I am at "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev Custom.1 kernel_image" stage of building a kernel.... |
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| 04:31.11 | sanxiyn | spilo: Of course it should work :-) |
| 04:31.11 | Gumby | arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o(.text+0xe478): In function `powernowk8_target': |
| 04:31.11 | Gumby | : undefined reference to `cpufreq_frequency_table_target' |
| 04:31.12 | spilo | thanks guys.. thanks sanxiyn |
| 04:31.17 | spilo | awesome |
| 04:31.20 | sanxiyn | spilo: You're welcome. |
| 04:31.21 | spilo | :) |
| 04:31.30 | man_in_shack | blah! sc3u: Segmentation fault |
| 04:31.31 | Guerin | Gumby: does the build stop? |
| 04:31.37 | Gumby | yes |
| 04:31.39 | spilo | so ttf files are for any OS? |
| 04:31.43 | Gumby | with about 4 of those errors |
| 04:31.45 | sanxiyn | spilo: Mostly, yes. |
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| 04:31.52 | Gumby | 6, actually |
| 04:32.02 | sanxiyn | spilo: That's why making TTF font installer in Microsoft Word macro is stupid. |
| 04:32.12 | Guerin | Gumby: looks like a b0rk3n kernel source. I don't know, in this case, what you'd do to fix it. |
| 04:32.17 | pmwilson | Gumby: have you tried make-kpkg clean and then starting the build again? |
| 04:32.43 | Gumby | pmwilson: not yet no. I am following a howto here... http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
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| 04:32.55 | spilo | I dont know anything about that.. but there are lot of stupid things in Mycrosoft |
| 04:33.19 | sanxiyn | daesotho: Actually it's POSIXLY_CORRECT. |
| 04:33.26 | sanxiyn | daesotho: Try "POSIXLY_CORRECT=yes df". |
| 04:33.40 | Guerin | you mean SomeoneElsecroSoft |
| 04:33.50 | daesotho | sanxiyn: you don't say? :P |
| 04:33.58 | Guerin | or Theircrosoft |
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| 04:34.50 | Phated | TheirCrotchoSoft: Fucks you in the arse. |
| 04:34.57 | Guerin | Twice |
| 04:35.04 | Phated | Without lube. |
| 04:35.35 | Gumby | sideways |
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| 04:35.39 | spilo | sanxiyn: Is there a way to switch to different input language in linux like there is in Windows? |
| 04:35.44 | pmwilson | ..... with liberal application of superglue? |
| 04:35.51 | Caelum | spilo: yes |
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| 04:36.00 | pmwilson | spilo: yes... gnome makes it easy in current versions |
| 04:36.04 | sanxiyn | spilo: Yes. Get an XIM server. |
| 04:36.23 | sanxiyn | Ah, in GTK programs, you can use IMmodules with a right click on text box. |
| 04:36.33 | man_in_shack | wtf is sim city 3k segfaulting on me? |
| 04:37.02 | sussudio | !why |
| 04:37.02 | dpkg | Because! |
| 04:37.10 | man_in_shack | bastard |
| 04:37.25 | spilo | XIM is what I need? |
| 04:37.42 | pmwilson | hehe... '[]Lock screen to enforce typing break' -- from GNOME keyboard preferences |
| 04:37.44 | sanxiyn | spilo: It's like Microsoft Global IME. |
| 04:37.44 | spilo | should i get it via apt? |
| 04:37.54 | Caelum | man_in_shack: maybe stricter malloc checking in libc, since it's an old game |
| 04:37.54 | sanxiyn | spilo: You want Gregorian input method? |
| 04:38.04 | spilo | yes, and russian |
| 04:38.25 | man_in_shack | Caelum, well Tweekster implied he got it working |
| 04:38.32 | Guerin | gregorian? |
| 04:38.48 | Guerin | man_in_shack: maybe it's thrashing your ram and uncovering faults |
| 04:39.46 | man_in_shack | blah |
| 04:39.57 | Caelum | man_in_shack: does it segfault on start or at some point in the game? if on start, running through strace might give a clue |
| 04:40.14 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Typo. It's Georgian. |
| 04:40.20 | pmwilson | spilo: if you want to just switch keyboard layouts... you can do it with the gnome keyboard preferences (to select the ones you want avail) and add the keyboard layout panel applet to one of your panels |
| 04:40.48 | Guerin | sanxiyn: ah, ok. |
| 04:40.51 | Caelum | spilo: you also probably want the cyrillic font packages |
| 04:40.53 | man_in_shack | Caelum, doesn't even get to start :P |
| 04:41.02 | OhSmiTt | Guerin: hey, I read over all the installing on a live system stuff and it all talks about installing woody via debootstrap. Is there a method of calling DebianInstaller from the shell? |
| 04:41.05 | try_catch_this | anyone know a c function that will give you the current active directory |
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| 04:41.08 | spilo | will that enable me to type in Geoorgian? (utf-8) |
| 04:41.22 | spilo | I have bunch of fonts.. |
| 04:41.43 | reverse_dns_head | hi i got disconnected. i did the ssh -vvv 192.168.40.176 but i did ssh -vvv |
| 04:41.43 | reverse_dns_head | <reverse_dsn_head> but it only gave info about the interaction from the point of view of the attempted logon,it does not tell me what the ssh daemon on the recipient is doing when i gets called by the other machine from the other ip address. this is an internal reverse dns issue, that is seen with ssh, but also seem with other network services that i am more interested in, (dicom servers in medicine informatics) but paral |
| 04:41.45 | Guerin | OhSmiTt: tat howto is only for woody, but debootstrap exists for sarge as well. |
| 04:41.49 | spilo | russian and georgian unicode characters are displayed in browser.. so I dont need any more fonts |
| 04:41.58 | sanxiyn | spilo: Good. |
| 04:42.24 | OhSmiTt | Guerin: oh, great . just swap out woody with sarge thanks |
| 04:42.26 | man_in_shack | Caelum, i found the solution |
| 04:42.33 | spilo | so i should just get "XIM"? |
| 04:42.42 | man_in_shack | Caelum, on suse forums no less: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 |
| 04:42.50 | Guerin | OhSmiTt: well, no ... you need a sarge deboostrap, since it gets different packages. use apt-cache search |
| 04:43.00 | OhSmiTt | k |
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| 04:43.41 | OhSmiTt | I'll have to look through packages or something cuz I'm currently running woody but I don't want to ;) |
| 04:43.57 | sanxiyn | spilo: I *think* you just need Georgian keymap, but I'm not sure. |
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| 04:43.58 | Caelum | try_catch_this: getcwd |
| 04:44.10 | try_catch_this | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.29 | Caelum | reverse_dns_head: you could try adding an entry to /etc/hosts on the server and see if the timeout goes away |
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| 04:44.56 | User975 | caffeine |
| 04:44.58 | secher | Does anyone know how well the Pioneer DVR-108 works in Debian unstable with the 2.6.x kernel? |
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| 04:45.09 | spilo | what is the gnome kyboard thing again? |
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| 04:46.02 | CSWookie | Hmmm. I set up ndiswrapper. When I modprobe, it gets inserted fine, and it seems to see my wireless card, but I have two problems: (1) It doesn't happen on boot-up, I have to do it manually, and (2) I don't know how to actually bring wlan0 up and use it. Can someone help? |
| 04:46.07 | spilo | pmwilson: where is gnome keyboard preferences? |
| 04:46.17 | spilo | Ionly see keyboard shortcuts here |
| 04:46.41 | pmwilson | spilo: umh... Applications> Desktop Prefs > Keyboard what version of gnome are you using? |
| 04:47.02 | spilo | sorry.. i found it... stupid me.. I did not look well |
| 04:48.56 | kingsley | What's a good package for viewing movies in the .wmv format? |
| 04:48.57 | spilo | pmwilson: and how will I switch later? switch languages.. |
| 04:49.06 | pmwilson | spilo: you probably also want to rt. click on one of your panels and add the keyboard indicator |
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| 04:51.18 | spilo | YEEEEEESS it works |
| 04:51.30 | spilo | thanks a lot pmwilson |
| 04:51.30 | sanxiyn | spilo: Good to hear that :-) |
| 04:51.41 | spilo | thank you sanxiyn |
| 04:51.49 | spilo | thanks a lot guys |
| 04:51.53 | spilo | I am very happy |
| 04:51.56 | spilo | :) |
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| 04:53.30 | exobyte | I have a freebsd and a debiab machine, both with samba. For some reason, the largest file I can copy over a smb mount is 2gb. Ideas? I have NO temp space, so scp isn't an option. |
| 04:53.32 | Guerin | kingsley: get w32codecs |
| 04:53.56 | Guerin | kingsley: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 04:54.09 | simonrvn | @tell csabo2 about root |
| 04:54.41 | CSWookie | nm |
| 04:55.24 | stew | !nm |
| 04:55.24 | dpkg | well, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
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| 04:56.07 | Guerin | csabo2: why are you messaging me? Since 2.6.10 kernel was only released three days ago, it's not in debian yet; have patience. |
| 04:56.26 | simonrvn | CSWookie: and why are you ircing as root? |
| 04:56.29 | simonrvn | CSWookie: sorry |
| 04:56.34 | simonrvn | csabo2: ^^^ |
| 04:56.37 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:56.42 | mohohaha | debian sucks |
| 04:56.56 | Guerin | mohohaha: try harder |
| 04:57.08 | mohohaha | try wat |
| 04:57.09 | Guerin | mohohaha: we've already squashed three trolls worse than you today |
| 04:57.17 | Guerin | and it's only lunchtime |
| 04:57.23 | reverse_dns_head | Caelium, you are 100% right. is i add entry to /etc/hosts it goes away immediately |
| 04:57.26 | Domination | lol, lunchtime |
| 04:57.28 | jcarr_ | heheheh |
| 04:57.46 | simonrvn | in korea |
| 04:57.58 | jcarr_ | The most amusing troll is "Debian sucks, because it is linux, and linux is a warezed distro based on SCO UNIX!" |
| 04:58.00 | simonrvn | almostmidnight here |
| 04:58.07 | Domination | here too.. |
| 04:58.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:58.16 | Jebediah | east coasters :P |
| 04:58.35 | reverse_dns_head | similarly if i set the "option timeout:0 and attempts:0" in resolv.conf it goes away too |
| 04:58.36 | Guerin | csabo2: quit your irc client and log back in as a user. Don't message me. |
| 04:58.50 | jcarr_ | hmmm... aint heard much from the master troll Mr.Enderle... I'll have to check news.google.com |
| 04:58.55 | Guerin | heh |
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| 04:59.26 | csabo2 | ok there |
| 04:59.28 | simonrvn | csabo2: thank you |
| 04:59.31 | csabo2 | ah i see, didnt devoice me |
| 04:59.35 | csabo2 | ah my ident |
| 04:59.48 | csabo2 | ok , im trying to figure out the command for searching the apt archives, i tried apt-get help |
| 04:59.51 | csabo2 | it didnt show one |
| 04:59.53 | csabo2 | but i know there is one |
| 04:59.55 | Guerin | csabo2: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |grep 686 |
| 04:59.59 | csabo2 | ah thank you |
| 05:00.06 | stew | csabo2: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:00.40 | reverse_dns_head | so my question is why doesnt this happen with redhat and fedora if i let the resolv.conf simply have search localhost, it doenst invoke the reverse dns. ie if there is no nameserver listed, it doenst try to find one. can i set up a similar thing for debian |
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| 05:01.30 | simonrvn | files should be listed first in nsswitch.conf, also in /etc/network/options |
| 05:01.34 | reverse_dns_head | i am having a hard time configuring a local caching nameserver with bind. |
| 05:01.35 | csabo2 | Guerin when i do that, it just drops down the next line |
| 05:01.38 | csabo2 | it doesnt do anything =\ |
| 05:01.58 | tam | ~keepback |
| 05:02.07 | simonrvn | tam: /msg dpkg hold |
| 05:02.19 | tam | simonrvn: aha, tvm |
| 05:02.21 | Guerin | csabo2: they you're either not running debian, or you're running woody or earlier |
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| 05:02.29 | Guerin | s/they/then/ |
| 05:02.30 | csabo2 | ah do i have to install 2.4 kernel in order to get a newer cache? |
| 05:02.36 | Guerin | no |
| 05:02.47 | Guerin | you have to be running something less than 2.5 years old |
| 05:02.58 | csabo2 | odd |
| 05:03.01 | Guerin | since the kernel was only released 12 months ago |
| 05:03.06 | Guerin | err, the 2.6 kernel |
| 05:03.09 | csabo2 | hmm |
| 05:03.12 | jcarr_ | damn.. nothing. Just some article that briefly mentions linux, quoting Mr.Enderle saying that linux is becoming more mainstream and has moved from an OS for hobbyists to an OS reeked in litigation |
| 05:03.25 | csabo2 | can i update? |
| 05:03.31 | csabo2 | or rather, update my cache |
| 05:03.37 | Guerin | csabo2: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 05:03.39 | simonrvn | man apt-get |
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| 05:03.49 | Guerin | csabo2: why do you think you need a 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:04.09 | csabo2 | well i dont want this 2.2 |
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| 05:04.13 | csabo2 | and 2.6 uses alsa |
| 05:04.21 | csabo2 | and ill get hurt if install that myself |
| 05:04.36 | gnat | bbah |
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| 05:04.53 | gnat | can anyone /exit |
| 05:04.57 | csabo2 | lol |
| 05:05.00 | Guerin | csabo2: upgrade to sarge |
| 05:05.01 | zinx | /exit |
| 05:05.02 | simonrvn | doh! |
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| 05:05.06 | simonrvn | /exit |
| 05:05.13 | simonrvn | zinx: ;) |
| 05:05.23 | csabo2 | i dont know how to edit txt files like that in linux without a gui |
| 05:05.26 | jariep1_ | can somebody help me setup the pppoe client in debian? |
| 05:05.34 | simonrvn | jariep1_: pppoeconf |
| 05:05.38 | Guerin | csabo2: nano <filename> |
| 05:05.58 | Guerin | csabo2: a gui has exactly 0 impact on your ability to edit text files |
| 05:06.08 | Guerin | it's all text, right |
| 05:06.09 | OUTsider | gui, gee, that sounds like a wintendo user switching to debian still being hooked to the mouse |
| 05:06.13 | Guerin | no pictures |
| 05:06.34 | jariep1_ | simonrv, I tried to set it up |
| 05:06.34 | exobyte | what is the program I can pipe into that splits files? |
| 05:06.41 | Guerin | exobyte: split |
| 05:06.42 | jariep1_ | and everything looks ok |
| 05:06.45 | simonrvn | when a text brwoser can handle CSS2, i'll be happy |
| 05:06.48 | exobyte | Guerin: heh. thx |
| 05:06.49 | jariep1_ | but it's not working |
| 05:06.52 | simonrvn | browser* |
| 05:07.01 | csabo2 | erm mine doesnt say woody |
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| 05:07.04 | csabo2 | oh nvm |
| 05:07.25 | simonrvn | jariep1_: you told it to run at boot, right? also told it to connect now? |
| 05:08.03 | OUTsider | sigh, who decided ntpdate should run before bind ? |
| 05:08.15 | simonrvn | um, that make sense |
| 05:08.26 | simonrvn | bind should have the correct time too |
| 05:08.31 | OUTsider | thats like stupid, some people use 127.0.0.1 as server using the forwarders |
| 05:08.36 | Guerin | ntpdate should run before anything that needs to know what the time is |
| 05:08.43 | csabo2 | how do i save it in nano? |
| 05:08.45 | csabo2 | ctrl s? |
| 05:08.47 | simonrvn | put your ntp hosts in /etc/hosts |
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| 05:08.54 | Guerin | csabo2: can't you read? |
| 05:09.01 | csabo2 | no need to be rude |
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| 05:09.06 | simonrvn | csabo2: the help is at the bottom... |
| 05:09.09 | Guerin | csabo2: no need to be lazy |
| 05:09.12 | OUTsider | simonrvn: overriding pool.ntp.org this way ? |
| 05:09.15 | csabo2 | save isnt at the bottom of the scree |
| 05:09.17 | csabo2 | screen* |
| 05:09.19 | csabo2 | i allready looked |
| 05:09.22 | csabo2 | theres edit commands there |
| 05:09.31 | OUTsider | simonrvn: I prefer the fact pool.ntp.org exists |
| 05:09.34 | simonrvn | OUTsider: if you're running bind, you might as well run ntpd.. |
| 05:09.42 | simonrvn | ...and participate ;) |
| 05:09.49 | jariep1_ | simonrv, http://pastebin.com/133633 |
| 05:09.54 | Guerin | csabo2: ^X or ^O |
| 05:09.56 | jariep1_ | that's the log |
| 05:10.00 | OUTsider | simonrvn: my box has plenty to do already |
| 05:10.00 | csabo2 | what the hell is ^? |
| 05:10.03 | csabo2 | how do i do that |
| 05:10.08 | OUTsider | simonrvn: btw, it runs pdns, not bind |
| 05:10.12 | fuison\a | ctrl? |
| 05:10.13 | simonrvn | OUTsider: mine too. your point? |
| 05:10.21 | Guerin | control |
| 05:10.36 | csabo2 | ok write out |
| 05:10.39 | OUTsider | simonrvn: gotta run ntpd soon anyways, since I run an irc network on it |
| 05:10.40 | csabo2 | thats save |
| 05:10.43 | csabo2 | why doesnt it say save |
| 05:10.55 | gnat_x | i'm setting up a fresh install of sarge, can someone tell me a good apt repository for multi-media stuff like mplayer? |
| 05:10.57 | fuison\a | becuase its also write out, I guess |
| 05:11.03 | csabo2 | lol |
| 05:11.06 | simonrvn | OUTsider: fuck man you run time dependent services, you should be |
| 05:11.15 | Guerin | csabo2: because 'save' is much newer than 'write out' |
| 05:11.15 | fuison\a | gnat_x: yep, just a sec |
| 05:11.18 | OUTsider | csabo2: because the difference between linux and wintendo is, that with linux you have to think and read sometimes |
| 05:11.48 | Guerin | !rarewares |
| 05:11.48 | dpkg | it has been said that rarewares is a repository for many media apps. http://rarewares.org. Sid packages in deb http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable ./ or deb http://feayn.org/~lewis/rarewares/unstable ./ |
| 05:11.55 | simonrvn | jariep1_: looks connected to me. what's your problem? |
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| 05:12.02 | Guerin | gnat_x: also /msg dpkg marillat |
| 05:12.13 | fuison\a | just sent him that |
| 05:12.14 | fuison\a | :P |
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| 05:12.20 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:12.34 | simonrvn | jariep1_: it's not fixing your default route. let it do so |
| 05:12.35 | diomedes | is it just me or is qmail missing from apt |
| 05:12.41 | gnat_x | thanks :) |
| 05:12.44 | simonrvn | jariep1_: check your routing table |
| 05:12.45 | Guerin | diomedes: qmail isn't free |
| 05:12.50 | cafuego | diomedes: It's just you. |
| 05:12.55 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 05:13.05 | cafuego | diomedes: You aren't allowed to distribute precompield qmail binaries. Just use postfix. |
| 05:13.17 | diomedes | ah okay |
| 05:13.38 | jariep1_ | simonrv, I'll try again, then post the routing table |
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| 05:13.43 | jariep1_ | give a few minutes |
| 05:13.47 | simonrvn | not in here though :) |
| 05:13.59 | jariep1_ | I'll post in pastebin |
| 05:14.17 | simonrvn | ok |
| 05:14.17 | jariep1_ | i will disconnect for a few minutes |
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| 05:14.30 | gnat_x | oh yah, and is there a way to have emacs just launch in the terminal and not its x version? |
| 05:14.39 | daesotho | emacs -nw |
| 05:14.45 | simonrvn | cafuego: cool |
| 05:15.45 | gnat_x | daesotho, thanks |
| 05:16.47 | bucky | cafuego, how many is that for today? |
| 05:16.55 | bucky | two? |
| 05:17.11 | cafuego | bucky: No, just one |
| 05:17.29 | cafuego | this one is relatively identical to the 3rd one |
| 05:17.58 | bucky | production box? |
| 05:18.13 | cafuego | Sadly, windoze box fir a friend |
| 05:18.32 | cafuego | He's upgrading from a 486 laptop |
| 05:18.43 | bucky | dual boot, that's cool - he'll be happy |
| 05:19.23 | cafuego | this guiy is less computer savvy than your great grandparents <heh> |
| 05:20.24 | Nyle | I installed xmms-cdread plugin, and when I add the tracks to the playlist, it reads, and plays the songs, yet I cannot hear anything. In alsamixergui the volume levels are fine, for master/pcm/cdrom/ etc. Why is this? Is this a common problem that occurs, and am I not doing something right? |
| 05:20.54 | Guerin | Nyle: make sure your cd drive's analogue cables are plugged into your sound card |
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| 05:21.33 | dvs | Nyle, or switch to digital CD audio |
| 05:21.47 | Guerin | if your drive can handle it |
| 05:22.08 | gnat_x | Nyle, does the rest of your sound work? |
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| 05:24.11 | ndee | hi there, which is the most simple smtp server to setup? |
| 05:24.27 | ndee | I'm done after 24hrs of workin'.... not too much configuration if possible |
| 05:25.00 | bob2 | what do you want it to do? |
| 05:25.13 | Nyle | gnat_x, yes |
| 05:25.16 | ndee | bob2: totally simple, take email from my php server(web server) and send it |
| 05:25.24 | Nyle | i thought it might be the sound cable from the cd to the card |
| 05:25.33 | Nyle | so i'll try digital mode |
| 05:25.35 | Nyle | thanks,brb |
| 05:25.38 | bob2 | ndee: not receive anything? |
| 05:25.41 | cafuego | ndee: postfix, exim, sendmail |
| 05:25.44 | ndee | bob2: nope. |
| 05:25.53 | bob2 | ndee: ssmtp will work then |
| 05:25.54 | bob2 | I thin |
| 05:26.18 | ndee | which one is the easiest to setup and works out of the box? sorry for asking so retarded questions, my brain is retarded and I'm just really tired. |
| 05:26.19 | Guerin | yeah, it will |
| 05:26.24 | Guerin | ssmtp |
| 05:26.28 | Guerin | it's trivial |
| 05:26.41 | bob2 | but I don't think it does any local delivery |
| 05:26.46 | cafuego | ndee: Any of the above really. The installer just asks a few simple questions and off it goes. |
| 05:26.49 | bob2 | so make sure some other host will accept your cron mail and stuff |
| 05:26.58 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 05:26.59 | ndee | cafuego: oh cool.... gonna try exim. |
| 05:27.14 | cafuego | ndee: That's installed by default. |
| 05:27.24 | ndee | cuz I just tried postfix and it didn't work automagically |
| 05:27.30 | Guerin | nullmailer does too, but I had some trouble with it fucking up and hammering my relay with 100,000 messages a day |
| 05:27.38 | bob2 | hah |
| 05:27.46 | cafuego | ndee: Postfix, like exim, needs a small amount of info before it will work. |
| 05:27.53 | Guerin | which were all dropped at smtp time, but that was still a pain in the arse |
| 05:27.58 | ndee | I want noooooo info if possible ;) |
| 05:28.16 | cafuego | ndee: MS IIS 5.0 |
| 05:28.18 | bob2 | you need to tell it the smarthost, if nothing else |
| 05:28.41 | ndee | cafuego: I know, I know... just gonna answer the wizard questions... I put on my wizard hat and robe. |
| 05:29.28 | cafuego | ndee: Pretty much like bob2 said... all you need to know is the smarthost address. And you need to know to tell it you want it to bets et up as a satellite system. |
| 05:29.36 | Guerin | you need to be more than a wizard to entrust your shit to IIS |
| 05:29.43 | Guerin | you need to be a priest |
| 05:29.53 | Guerin | or at least a True Believer |
| 05:30.01 | jaye | man... my computer is so screwed up |
| 05:30.01 | ndee | or ahm... how can I start exim=? |
| 05:30.14 | cafuego | ndee: it starts itself after you install and configure it. |
| 05:30.18 | ndee | oh |
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| 05:30.27 | Guerin | ndee: if you'd just taken bob2's advice and installed ssmtp, you'd be finished and having a beer by now |
| 05:30.27 | cafuego | Unless you told it to not configure. |
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| 05:30.42 | jaye | I've got fedora, ubuntu, knoppix livecd, and some other little dirivitives of knoppix all on cds |
| 05:30.47 | jaye | and now and empty hd. |
| 05:30.50 | cafuego | Guerin: Are you implying my advice sucked? ;-) |
| 05:30.59 | ndee | but.... I did configure it and with ps aux | grep exim, nothing shows up |
| 05:31.02 | jaye | What's a good linux version to install? |
| 05:31.09 | jaye | too many friggin options. |
| 05:31.11 | cafuego | jaye: Throw the CDs away and install Debian on the HD. |
| 05:31.21 | Guerin | cafuego: no, just that he wanted the idiot-proof mailer, and then that he was too much of an idiot to get it working in under 120 seconds :) |
| 05:31.23 | kev | I need to rsync my /home to a windows box. How do I go about doing that? (samba-noob) |
| 05:31.28 | ndee | ok, ssmtp then. |
| 05:31.29 | cafuego | jaye: If you were after info on other distributions, you're on the wrong channel. |
| 05:31.49 | Guerin | kev: tar |
| 05:31.49 | jaye | Well I'm just wanting to make an educated decision. |
| 05:32.01 | cafuego | jaye: Guess what people here would recommend? ;-) |
| 05:32.06 | gnat_x | jaye, what do you want from your linux install? |
| 05:32.19 | kev | Guerin: umm...right..how? |
| 05:32.25 | Guerin | kev: man tar |
| 05:32.41 | Guerin | kev: as regards the samba part, you want to ask #samba |
| 05:32.46 | kev | yay, thanks |
| 05:33.02 | Guerin | kev: but tar is a must if you're going to store anything from a unix machine on a windows machine. |
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| 05:33.29 | jaye | Well, I want a good stable os with a good choice of software and gui. And some hint of support. either comercial of community. |
| 05:34.06 | bob2 | ndee: read the README.Debian, it doesn't run by default |
| 05:34.08 | Guerin | !tell jaye about why debian |
| 05:34.15 | bob2 | it sends mail as people want |
| 05:34.30 | Guerin | !tell jaye about d-i |
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| 05:34.55 | jariep1_ | simonrv |
| 05:35.02 | jariep1_ | I have the routing table |
| 05:35.15 | jaye | ty |
| 05:35.37 | jariep1_ | simonrvn |
| 05:35.45 | jariep1_ | let me post to pastebin |
| 05:35.58 | simonrvn | we have a paste bot here :) |
| 05:36.04 | jaye | will I need to burn this to a cd to install it? |
| 05:36.08 | ndee | doesn't work :( |
| 05:36.09 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 05:36.14 | jariep1_ | how do use it? |
| 05:36.34 | gnat_x | jaye, debian has the best and most helpful linux communities i've found. fedora is a close second. but debian is in general a better distro all around, and can be counted on to be more stable |
| 05:36.40 | simonrvn | /whois paster |
| 05:36.42 | ndee | working :d |
| 05:36.57 | jariep1_ | How do you use the paste bot, simonrv? |
| 05:37.06 | simonrvn | whois the paste bot |
| 05:37.07 | jaye | thanks gnat |
| 05:37.10 | gnat_x | jaye, you will need to grab at least the first debian cd. i wold recommend sarge |
| 05:37.14 | simonrvn | /whois paster |
| 05:37.19 | jaye | I can't burn right now. |
| 05:37.29 | jaye | I'm running off a live cd of knoppix. |
| 05:37.30 | jaye | :( |
| 05:38.06 | gnat_x | there is a way to enable burning through knoppix, if i remember correctly. |
| 05:38.18 | gnat_x | but i don't remember how. :P |
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| 05:38.44 | jaye | hmm I'll see if I can find it. |
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| 05:38.52 | Guerin | jaye: #knoppix |
| 05:38.53 | Codyman | hello |
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| 05:39.03 | pmwilson | hi |
| 05:39.08 | Guerin | part of the point of knoppix is that you can do anything on it, including burning cds |
| 05:39.17 | jaye | cool |
| 05:39.28 | jaye | I haven't fully explored it. |
| 05:39.33 | Codyman | first time debian user.. do you think net install of sarge "testing" CD is a good way to install it (I have a high speed cable connection that tops out at 1 megabyte a sec) |
| 05:39.40 | pmwilson | yes |
| 05:39.58 | pmwilson | that's what i always use. |
| 05:39.59 | bob2 | a netinst cd is almost always a good way to go |
| 05:40.01 | Domination | speaking of knoppi. check this out.. xfce knoppix woot http://www.xfld.org/Xfld/en/xfld.html |
| 05:40.04 | bob2 | unless you're on dialup |
| 05:40.23 | pmwilson | or you don't have a cd-rom drive ;o] |
| 05:40.24 | Codyman | dialup?? dialup?? what is this ancient technology you speak of? :-) |
| 05:40.38 | Domination | 49% of the internet |
| 05:40.57 | gnat_x | Codyman, you're hardly ever going to get 1mb/sec off of a debian mirror. :P |
| 05:41.05 | Codyman | gnat: yeah i know |
| 05:41.21 | Codyman | bittorrent though I got 1 mb a sec.. it was pretty gnarly |
| 05:41.28 | bob2 | I don't even get 1mbyte/s off the mirror in my house |
| 05:41.34 | Codyman | broadband surpasses dialup in the US now |
| 05:41.57 | Domination | Codyman, 51% to be exact |
| 05:41.57 | jariep1_ | ok simonrvn, here's the routing table: http://channels.debian.net/paste/129 |
| 05:42.20 | Codyman | my cable internet provider is really awesome.. lately they have been laying new fiber cable lines... and they raised the cap to 5 mbit without charging anymore |
| 05:42.38 | kev | everyone's dead in #samba |
| 05:42.38 | gnat_x | makes for some fast torrents of popular things |
| 05:42.54 | bob2 | and I give one of my kidneys each month for 1.5mbit/s dsl |
| 05:43.00 | bob2 | I h8 u all |
| 05:43.02 | Codyman | gnat: definately... your house attached to NASA or something? :-) |
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| 05:43.25 | simonrvn | jariep1_: that's your problem, your routing table is completely fucked. set defaultroute in /etc/ppp/options |
| 05:43.31 | ThomasThumb | appletalk is a mac thing? |
| 05:43.36 | Codyman | bob2: oh look my 110 MB Net Inst image is done... must have been 3 minutes? why so slow ;-) |
| 05:43.38 | gnat_x | poor neighborhood mostly. there was *no* high speed until this past spring |
| 05:43.39 | bob2 | and drop the existing defaul route |
| 05:43.47 | bob2 | or it won't do anything |
| 05:43.52 | Codyman | thumb: appletalk is mac |
| 05:43.56 | simonrvn | yeh, good point |
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| 05:44.09 | ThomasThumb | So just remove it with no mac around? |
| 05:44.15 | simonrvn | Codyman: stop it already |
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| 05:44.38 | Klipper | i need some proftpd help! |
| 05:44.44 | Codyman | simon: ok if simon says |
| 05:44.44 | Brice_ | mysql_fix_privilege_tables/quinjdfjfd |
| 05:44.45 | Klipper | i need to setup some users |
| 05:44.55 | simonrvn | Klipper: we need a mind reader! |
| 05:45.14 | Codyman | well off to installing debian |
| 05:45.17 | Codyman | peace out |
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| 05:45.20 | simonrvn | have fun |
| 05:45.22 | kev | Klipper: sudo adduser |
| 05:45.26 | npx | whoo, my balls = busted. work sucks. |
| 05:45.28 | jariep1_ | as a newbie, simonrvn, where can I go to read and learn how to set the routing table in /etc/ppp/options? |
| 05:45.40 | Klipper | kev: with proftpd? |
| 05:45.52 | jariep1_ | i'm the newbie |
| 05:46.07 | jariep1_ | about 1 year with redhat 9 and a few weeks with debian |
| 05:46.10 | Guerin | Klipper: appt-get install proftpd-doc; lynx /usr/share/doc/proftpd/Configuration.html |
| 05:46.10 | ThomasThumb | There is a ppp howto I believe |
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| 05:46.29 | jariep1_ | ThomasThumb, thanks |
| 05:46.30 | npx | jariep1_, there is a ppp howto, but really the main thing you're going to want to do is set default route |
| 05:46.39 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 05:46.46 | simonrvn | jariep1_: it's not exactly that. you tell pppd to set the defaultroute according to what it recieves as data from the other end. man pppd for the info. you'll need to reset your existing default route, and set the option i gave you in that file |
| 05:46.46 | npx | (just put defaultroute in the options file) |
| 05:47.11 | simonrvn | npx: yes, i've been over that already |
| 05:47.17 | npx | simonrvn, k |
| 05:47.32 | ThomasThumb | Better yet get a high speed connection |
| 05:47.40 | npx | just out of curiosity why is he not just using pppsetup? |
| 05:47.51 | simonrvn | pppoeconf. he did |
| 05:47.59 | npx | ahh. pppoe. |
| 05:48.09 | npx | *hate* |
| 05:48.13 | bob2 | it sets the defaultroute option by default |
| 05:48.25 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:49.43 | Guerin | the three or so occasions I used pppoeconf, it worked flawlessly without any real user input |
| 05:49.56 | simonrvn | just user and pass |
| 05:49.57 | Guerin | when I had to plug in at someone else's house, forex |
| 05:50.00 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 05:50.41 | simonrvn | now i run it once, then tweak manually if i want |
| 05:51.25 | simonrvn | jariep1_: hint, man route and remove the default route (gw) |
| 05:52.37 | justin | sloopy: lightfoot lightfoot lightfoot lightfoot Langer l |
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| 05:52.48 | justin | er, stupid windows |
| 05:53.07 | justin | funny what gets autocompleted with dictcomplete.pl heh |
| 05:53.07 | bucky | if it's a knoppix hd install you have to run pump after pppoeconf |
| 05:53.10 | OUTsider | wintendo ? :) |
| 05:53.12 | aics | does anyone know of a very basic cgi script to test cgi directories in apache ? |
| 05:53.14 | simonrvn | #windows is that way --> |
| 05:53.16 | simonrvn | :P |
| 05:53.19 | lightfoot | heh |
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| 05:53.49 | justin | simonrvn: it was doing the firefox-is-focused-and-on-top-but-it-feels-like-sending-to-putty |
| 05:53.53 | OUTsider | aics: #! /bin/sh |
| 05:54.01 | simonrvn | bucky: if it's a knoppix hdd install he would be sent off to #knoppix |
| 05:54.02 | OUTsider | aics: echo Hello World |
| 05:54.18 | simonrvn | justin: i *hate* that |
| 05:54.48 | simonrvn | i re-found the option to turn that crap off, but i can't remeber where it is now |
| 05:54.54 | simonrvn | +m |
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| 05:58.06 | aics | OUTsider: is that perl.. I have one from the book which hasn;t worked either, but they strat with #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 05:58.35 | OUTsider | aics: cgi is nothing more then a executable in any form |
| 05:58.50 | OUTsider | aics: you can even use a simple binary if you want to |
| 05:59.02 | aics | I am just trying to test a directory which I have enabled sgi scripts |
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| 05:59.25 | simonrvn | heh, cgi |
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| 05:59.28 | simonrvn | sgi* |
| 05:59.32 | aics | based on the logs it appears my scripts are wrong |
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| 06:00.26 | gnat_x | anyone know where the mplayer config file might be hiding? |
| 06:00.33 | Nyle | digital mode kickin the cd now :), facedown records/strike first records hardcore compilation, purchased for 5$ |
| 06:00.34 | Nyle | :D |
| 06:00.38 | OUTsider | aics: where the logs also so kind to tell you what was wrong ? |
| 06:00.46 | mwilson | gnat_x: Wherever whichever unofficial package you've installed might have put it. |
| 06:00.46 | jariep1_ | simonrv, do I need to setup an IP gateway? |
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| 06:00.57 | {xmb} | gnat_x, /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf or none |
| 06:01.03 | mwilson | gnat_x: Actually looking at the contents of whatever package you installed, then, might be a good idea. |
| 06:01.37 | aics | OUTsider: I dont understand even the basic perl.. all I need to know is that the directory can support it in apache.. |
| 06:01.48 | {xmb} | gnat_x, dlocate mplayer.conf |
| 06:01.59 | bob2 | gnat_x: dpkg -L mplayer | grep etc |
| 06:02.01 | OUTsider | aics: how did you enable cgi ? |
| 06:02.38 | aics | Options +ExecCGI |
| 06:02.53 | aics | AddHandler cgi-script cgi pl |
| 06:03.07 | aics | </Directory> |
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| 06:03.19 | simonrvn | you might want .cgi .pl instead |
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| 06:03.49 | aics | I'll try it |
| 06:03.54 | aics | are you sure ? |
| 06:04.13 | gnat_x | looks like /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf thanks |
| 06:04.20 | fofos | aics: even if he's not, what you risk trying ? |
| 06:04.25 | simonrvn | more importantly, are *you* sure |
| 06:06.21 | Muad-Dib | in a modular 2.6.7 kernel wich are the name of preemtive capability ? |
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| 06:06.30 | Muad-Dib | preempt |
| 06:06.34 | Muad-Dib | duh |
| 06:06.45 | {xmb} | Muad-Dib, its in-kernel |
| 06:07.03 | Muad-Dib | okz |
| 06:07.05 | aics | didn't work |
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| 06:07.36 | simonrvn | would help if you said what didn't work. and what the error log says... |
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| 06:08.28 | gnat_x | aic if perl and cgi are enabled as apache mods, the Options ExecCGI should be enough |
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| 06:09.09 | gnat_x | or at least that's how it is on the one debian server i just looked at |
| 06:09.22 | aics | malformed header from script |
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| 06:10.04 | aics | gnat_x: thats what I have, but I am just trying to test a basic script to ensure this is the case |
| 06:10.12 | gnat_x | are you calling sh or perl correctly? |
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| 06:11.07 | cabbie | clear |
| 06:11.23 | jaye | how do I check for a md5 sum? |
| 06:11.34 | simonrvn | with md5sum |
| 06:11.47 | jaye | where do I get it? |
| 06:11.49 | spilo | hey.. does anyone know how to change this? For some reaso the time and date thing.. it shows "Etl 27 Kax"and weekdays are named like "Aka" , "Etl" Tal" |
| 06:11.56 | simonrvn | should be installed already |
| 06:12.03 | jaye | k thx |
| 06:12.06 | gnat_x | jaye, its there already md5sum filename |
| 06:12.33 | aics | gnat_x: I've got #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 06:12.36 | mlalkaka | is the debian installation a graphical installation? i was reading through the installation instructions and couldn't figure it out exactly |
| 06:12.43 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:13.45 | mlalkaka | simonrvn: i u responding to me? |
| 06:13.52 | aics | he is |
| 06:14.32 | gnat_x | aics, that seems like the right place for perl. what does the apache error log say? |
| 06:14.37 | mlalkaka | aics: is it fully console? how much do i have to know about my computer to install it? |
| 06:15.05 | bucky | it's ncurses based |
| 06:15.08 | aics | gnat_x: malformed header from script |
| 06:15.14 | bucky | it's easy |
| 06:15.45 | cabbie | ? thx |
| 06:15.54 | fuison\a | anyone know of a good slideshow program for linux? |
| 06:16.10 | fuison\a | just something simple that allows you to scroll images in a directory |
| 06:16.15 | gnat_x | mlalkaka, you should be able to figure it out. its not so ungraphical as to be counter-intuituve. :) |
| 06:16.34 | mlalkaka | oh ncurses should make it easy it enough i guess. i've been using mandrake linux (my first linux experience) and now i want to try other distributions, like debian linux |
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| 06:17.43 | gnat_x | yah, its no anaconda, but sarge has a good installer |
| 06:17.56 | mlalkaka | sarge? |
| 06:18.08 | gnat_x | sarge is debian testing. |
| 06:18.30 | gnat_x | which is probably what you want, unless we are talking about a production server |
| 06:18.31 | mlalkaka | so sarge is the unstable debian release? |
| 06:18.43 | cabbie | fuison\a: do you have imagemagick installed? |
| 06:18.57 | fuison\a | I think so |
| 06:19.16 | fuison\a | is there a way to make an application the default handler for filetypes in KDE? |
| 06:20.03 | cabbie | you can use imagemagick's "display" command in a shell script to create a simple slideshow |
| 06:20.13 | v7w | mlalkaka, sarge is debian testing and sid is debian unstable |
| 06:20.17 | gnat_x | mlalkaka, its the testing release (woody=stable, sarge=testing, sid=unstable) |
| 06:20.20 | gnat_x | heh. |
| 06:20.23 | fuison\a | ah |
| 06:20.27 | fuison\a | thanks |
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| 06:20.42 | mlalkaka | what's the difference between sarge and sid? |
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| 06:21.34 | gnat_x | mlalkaka, read http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 06:21.36 | {xmb} | fuison\a, take a look at qiv and feh, and apt-cache search picture slideshow |
| 06:21.47 | mlalkaka | gnat_x: ok. thanks for the help |
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| 06:22.07 | fuison\a | thanks |
| 06:22.30 | cabbie | fuison\a: i use "for var in `ls *.tiff`; do display -window root $var; done" |
| 06:22.47 | v7w | mlalkaka, a package is first uploaded to sid and if it doesn't have RC bugs, it will be moved to sarge after a number of days |
| 06:23.02 | fuison\a | thank you :P |
| 06:24.04 | jm_ | that is no longer true for the frozen stuff in Sarge |
| 06:24.20 | Guerin | fuison\a: add ; sleep 5 ; to make a 5 second delay, etc. |
| 06:24.32 | Guerin | before the done, I mean |
| 06:24.34 | fuison\a | ahh cool |
| 06:24.37 | fuison\a | thanks |
| 06:25.22 | jm_ | qiv has slideshow option, so qiv -s *.jpg |
| 06:25.36 | v7w | jm_, you're right. However, it was a general explanation |
| 06:26.19 | dirtbagamn | i like kuickshow |
| 06:26.23 | Guerin | gnat_x: the sarge installer is WAY better than anaconda |
| 06:26.37 | dirtbagamn | for slide shows |
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| 06:29.24 | gnat_x | Guerin, yah the sarge installer is a much better installer, but its not as pretty as anaconda. |
| 06:29.57 | Nyle | Muad-Dib, one of my most favorite names |
| 06:30.18 | Nyle | I have loved dune since I was 7 or 8 |
| 06:30.27 | Muad-Dib | me too |
| 06:30.53 | Guerin | gnat_x: because prettiness is the most important aspect of any piece of software. |
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| 06:31.14 | Nyle | gui installers are gay :/ |
| 06:31.21 | Nyle | i mean happy, not homo |
| 06:31.30 | Nyle | like yabba dabba gay old time |
| 06:31.31 | Guerin | but they're not |
| 06:31.38 | Guerin | they're sad |
| 06:31.42 | Nyle | yes they are |
| 06:31.43 | Nyle | well true |
| 06:31.49 | Nyle | but they are pretty n happy lookin, lol |
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| 06:32.33 | Nyle | what do you suggest for ripping cds to mp3, which program? there are about a crap load of them and I cannot decide |
| 06:32.45 | iceman | grip |
| 06:32.45 | Guerin | cdparanoia |
| 06:32.51 | ll_ | Nyle: abcde |
| 06:32.53 | mwilson | Nyle: There aren't more than a couple. |
| 06:32.58 | Nyle | paranoia it is |
| 06:33.00 | iceman | grip if you want a gay gui |
| 06:33.03 | iceman | :) |
| 06:33.04 | Nyle | mwilson, :) |
| 06:33.04 | ll_ | Nyle: A Better CD Encoder |
| 06:33.10 | mwilson | grip is still cdparanoia. |
| 06:33.14 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:33.23 | Guerin | cdparanoia is a backend |
| 06:33.27 | Nyle | how about ogg, i have heard the compression/quality is superior to mp3 |
| 06:33.29 | ll_ | abcde is an awesome cdparanoia frontend, guys |
| 06:33.42 | ll_ | Nyle: abcde does ogg by default, and yeah it's better |
| 06:33.46 | jm_ | abcde can do oggs, mp3s, ... |
| 06:33.51 | mwilson | Nyle: And almost nothing supports it. |
| 06:33.58 | Nyle | oh really |
| 06:34.02 | mwilson | Nyle: Don't waste your time with it, really. |
| 06:34.03 | ll_ | that's bs |
| 06:34.06 | Nyle | mwilson, what do you mean, with ogg? |
| 06:34.12 | ll_ | xmms, winamp |
| 06:34.24 | Nyle | i use xmms |
| 06:34.30 | iceman | I use cplay |
| 06:34.30 | mwilson | Nyle: There's really no reason to bother with ogg. |
| 06:34.32 | ll_ | then you're fine man |
| 06:34.50 | Nyle | mwilson, I would like to hear your reasons, if you don't mind sharing |
| 06:35.04 | mwilson | Reasons for what? |
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| 06:35.10 | Nyle | that way I can better make up my mind |
| 06:35.15 | Nyle | about why not to use ogg |
| 06:35.29 | iceman | portable players for one.. |
| 06:35.35 | ll_ | he's obviously a lamer, ogg will rock your face off |
| 06:35.39 | mwilson | I said there were really no reasons TO use it. |
| 06:35.49 | mwilson | ll_: Except that it won't, of course. |
| 06:35.55 | Nyle | im now confused |
| 06:35.56 | Nyle | :/ |
| 06:36.00 | Guerin | better sound quality per size |
| 06:36.06 | OUTsider | if a lot of users switch to ogg, players will rise that support it |
| 06:36.16 | Nyle | ahh, i am not really concerned about size, mostly quality, which is superior |
| 06:36.18 | Guerin | and not being patent-encumbered IS a bonus |
| 06:36.22 | mwilson | If sound quality is the issue, rip them lossless and get over it. |
| 06:36.23 | Guerin | Nyle: use flac then |
| 06:36.28 | ll_ | ogg sounds better and it's an open source compression format |
| 06:36.28 | OUTsider | first you had mp3 players, then mickeyshit came with wma, and now players also support that crap |
| 06:36.42 | jariep1_ | can somebody walk me through setting up my ADSL connection with pppd client in Debian? |
| 06:36.48 | jariep1_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/130 |
| 06:36.53 | Nyle | i will look into flac right now |
| 06:36.55 | Nyle | !flac |
| 06:36.55 | dpkg | flac is, like, the Free Lossless Audio Codec, gives 30-50% compression on PCM audio. See http://flac.sourceforge.net/ for details on the format, or apt-get install flac xmms-flac to try it out (if you have xmms, of course). |
| 06:37.10 | Guerin | flac owns all other lossless encoding schemes |
| 06:37.15 | OUTsider | and a flac file.... |
| 06:37.29 | iceman | xmms is a gay windows clone |
| 06:37.32 | Guerin | and it's a form of ogg |
| 06:37.35 | iceman | and I mean homo |
| 06:37.39 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:37.43 | OUTsider | flac is losless compression |
| 06:37.48 | OUTsider | ogg ain't |
| 06:37.52 | mwilson | Can someone please do something about him? |
| 06:38.01 | Nyle | me? |
| 06:38.03 | Nyle | what did i do? |
| 06:38.03 | Guerin | OUTsider: no, ogg is a container format which supports more than one encoding scheme. |
| 06:38.13 | Guerin | iceman: /msg dpkg gay |
| 06:38.19 | iceman | thats old |
| 06:38.20 | Nyle | i didn't mean to start a war on audio formats |
| 06:38.22 | Nyle | sorry |
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| 06:38.28 | cabbie | Anyone have opinion on Ubuntu distro? worth trying? |
| 06:38.28 | OUTsider | something like mickeyshit's wav ? |
| 06:38.29 | Guerin | OUTsider: what you mean when you say 'ogg' is 'vorbis' |
| 06:38.32 | Guerin | OUTsider: no. |
| 06:38.40 | mwilson | cabbie: Not really. |
| 06:38.40 | Guerin | cabbie: ask #ubuntu |
| 06:39.17 | cabbie | got their CDs in the mail... |
| 06:39.22 | OUTsider | Guerin: you said ogg is a container format supporting more then one encoding scheme, so does wav, you can use mp3 compression/adpcm etc and it still would be a wav file |
| 06:39.27 | Guerin | cabbie: suck them and see, then. |
| 06:39.30 | iceman | ogg rules |
| 06:39.42 | Guerin | OUTsider: RTFM on xiph.org |
| 06:39.43 | ll_ | Nyle: no matter what format you chose abcde is the best ripping frontend you'll find. I lvoe it |
| 06:39.48 | ll_ | err, love, yeah |
| 06:39.59 | ll_ | just abcde -N and you're done |
| 06:40.09 | Nyle | ok, i'll try ripping onein flac and one in ogg and see for myself, thanks for the advice guys |
| 06:40.10 | Guerin | ll_: you love it, so everyone else will automatically love it. |
| 06:40.23 | ll_ | they will or I'll kill them. It's pretty simple |
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| 06:40.37 | iceman | It's pretty funny :) |
| 06:40.54 | mwilson | See why ogg is still something to avoid? The religous zealots. |
| 06:41.13 | squirrelplayingt | i have a flash drive that i need to put some files on too. I mounted the flash drive ok and the permissions are set so all users can read and write but when i move my files to the drive it says it is read only |
| 06:41.32 | Guerin | squirrelplayingt: set the umask etc in fstab |
| 06:41.37 | Nyle | squirrelplayingt, then apparantly its not umasked |
| 06:41.49 | Nyle | try umask=hmm |
| 06:41.54 | Nyle | i don't really kow which |
| 06:41.54 | jm_ | try /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 06:41.57 | squirrelplayingt | ok thanks |
| 06:42.21 | iceman | what is umask? |
| 06:42.27 | jariep1_ | Can somebody tell me how get my ADSL connection up with a pppd client in Debian? |
| 06:42.33 | Nyle | !umask |
| 06:42.33 | dpkg | methinks umask is 'man 2 umask' |
| 06:42.34 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:42.36 | Guerin | jariep1_: you need to spam the channel more |
| 06:42.38 | iceman | I tried it |
| 06:42.45 | iceman | man 2 umask gives me an error |
| 06:42.48 | jariep1_ | Guerin, what do you mean? |
| 06:42.51 | Guerin | iceman: man mount |
| 06:43.00 | Guerin | jariep1_: you're not pasting your question often enough |
| 06:43.01 | iceman | oh, thats the best man page |
| 06:43.06 | iceman | I just love it |
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| 06:43.08 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 06:43.13 | Guerin | jariep1_: at least once per minute if you want someone to answer |
| 06:43.21 | jariep1_ | hehehe, ok |
| 06:43.24 | Nyle | Guerin, you're evil |
| 06:43.28 | Guerin | preferably 4 times within 2 seconds |
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| 06:43.36 | Guerin | that'll REALLY get your noticed |
| 06:43.47 | jariep1_ | I thought I had to be careful not to post so often |
| 06:43.51 | Guerin | Nyle: I'm not, I'm Chaotic Neutral |
| 06:43.57 | Nyle | HAHAHA |
| 06:43.59 | bucky | jariep1_, as su type pppoeconf in a term, make your username with the @<domain.com> and then type pump |
| 06:44.06 | Nyle | word man, fuckin word |
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| 06:44.42 | Nyle | jariep1_, he was being sarcastic |
| 06:44.45 | Codyman | hi |
| 06:44.58 | bucky | ih |
| 06:45.09 | jariep1_ | Nyle, I actually wrote it down |
| 06:45.09 | Codyman | i got debian installed... however I can only get 800x600 screen resolution and I really would like 1280x1024 |
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| 06:45.17 | jariep1_ | :-( |
| 06:45.30 | Nyle | never mind |
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| 06:45.33 | Guerin | Codyman: so choose higher values in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:46.00 | Codyman | Guerin: thank you |
| 06:46.21 | squirrelplayingt | my umask is set to 002 but still says it is read only |
| 06:46.26 | Codyman | Guerin: I have an ATI card.. should I choose "ATI" or stick with "VESA" |
| 06:46.27 | iceman | Codyman: your modes are in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and you switch with ctrl-alt-+/- |
| 06:46.43 | jm_ | it's not about "your" umask, it's about umask used when mounting the device |
| 06:46.49 | Guerin | Codyman: if ati works, use it. |
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| 06:47.07 | manchot | can anyone paste his Sid sources.list in #flood? please? |
| 06:47.12 | Nyle | try umask=000 for now |
| 06:47.18 | Nyle | that should work |
| 06:47.19 | simonrvn | manchot: apt-setup |
| 06:47.22 | squirrelplayingt | alright |
| 06:47.25 | Guerin | iceman: only if they're properly set up, which they won't be, otherwise he would have booted into a higher resolution |
| 06:47.28 | Codyman | should I ignore the "Bus ID" |
| 06:47.31 | Guerin | Nyle: moron |
| 06:47.32 | Nyle | and don't leave it to 000 |
| 06:47.34 | cabbie | squirrelplayingt: check permissions on the related device file - /dev/sda1? |
| 06:47.35 | Codyman | I have a PCI video card |
| 06:47.37 | manchot | simonrvn: you use sid? |
| 06:47.42 | simonrvn | manchot: apt-setup |
| 06:47.54 | Nyle | Guerin, i know, but its a temp quick fix to get his shit working |
| 06:48.07 | mlewis00 | Codyman: No, if you get it wrong it won't work... |
| 06:48.08 | Guerin | manchot: you really don't want a copy of simonrvn's sources.list |
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| 06:48.25 | iceman | Guerin: assumptions my friend |
| 06:48.27 | Guerin | Codyman: ignore it, like the doc says |
| 06:48.39 | Sazpaimon | Hi, whenever I try to boot my debian box I get the following error |
| 06:48.47 | simonrvn | iceman: Guerin has seen it |
| 06:48.48 | Guerin | iceman: no, it's not an assumption. it's knowledge of hos debconf works. |
| 06:48.51 | manchot | Guerin: does Debian site have sid's source servers? |
| 06:49.00 | Sazpaimon | "Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.26/modules.dep" |
| 06:49.13 | simonrvn | manchot: ffs, just use the tool already |
| 06:49.14 | Guerin | manchot: if you have to ask how to use sid, you're not qualified to use it. |
| 06:49.20 | iceman | well, what if the dude just chose 800x600 when installing? |
| 06:49.20 | Sazpaimon | when I check my modules folder only a 2.4.27 is there |
| 06:49.31 | Sazpaimon | how can I fix it so it looks for the right directory? |
| 06:49.36 | Nyle | Sazpaimon, did you update the kernel image? |
| 06:49.37 | simonrvn | oo, cvs irssi groks dancer's modes now |
| 06:49.54 | Sazpaimon | no |
| 06:50.00 | Sazpaimon | this is a new install |
| 06:50.05 | mlewis00 | Guerin: I have an ATI PCI card and if the wrong numbers are put in the bus ID field it doesn't work <shrug>> |
| 06:50.10 | Nyle | I had a similar error once, it was due to not enough knowledge of kernel image updating |
| 06:50.20 | manchot | Guerin: what do you mean? random shootout? |
| 06:50.23 | Nyle | actually installing new image, and i forgot how i fixed it, someone here helped me |
| 06:50.38 | Nyle | I shoul've written it down |
| 06:50.43 | Sazpaimon | you guys will probably kill me for saying this, but I'm using Xebian, which I know is not an official port |
| 06:50.46 | ll_ | Sazpaimon: so this is a fresh install? you never had the box up? |
| 06:50.49 | Guerin | mlewis00: and if you'd just left it blank like debconf tells you, it would have worked fine |
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| 06:50.54 | Guerin | (presuming x86) |
| 06:51.18 | Sazpaimon | but Im hoping it can be resolved like most Linux errors can |
| 06:51.20 | Codyman | ok i ran through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 so restart xserver I presume |
| 06:51.56 | ll_ | Sazpaimon: I'm sure it can, but you'll be lucky if anyone here can tell you how |
| 06:52.03 | lsailor | anyone here run mailscanner? i am looking for some help |
| 06:52.06 | Nyle | damn good info on the flac FAQ, I think i'll go with flac |
| 06:52.07 | Sazpaimon | I'm aware |
| 06:52.13 | Guerin | iceman: then he needs to go back and choose again. Debconf constructs an XF86Config-4 with high modes at the top and low modes at the bottom - X uses the first mode which works. So, in this case, if he'd chosen a working mode higher than 800x600, that's what his X server would have used. |
| 06:52.33 | Sazpaimon | most people in here refuse to help me |
| 06:52.41 | Guerin | iceman: ergo, he needs to go back and choose again, and using ctrl+alt+± will only give him lower modes |
| 06:52.41 | Sazpaimon | just because I use this build |
| 06:52.46 | Sazpaimon | lemme explain what I can do |
| 06:52.51 | Nyle | Sazpaimon, why don't you jsut use debian |
| 06:52.56 | simonrvn | also, the modes in the screen (?) section go from left to right, so it'll use the leftmost one first |
| 06:52.57 | Nyle | the real deal |
| 06:53.01 | Sazpaimon | Nyle, I do |
| 06:53.08 | Sazpaimon | you do know what Xebian is right? |
| 06:53.09 | iceman | Guerin: alright |
| 06:53.10 | mlewis00 | Guerin: I left it as debconf filled it in and it worked...then I reconfigured it for some reason and accidently wrote the actual bus ID that is output at boot (into dmesg) and it quit working... |
| 06:53.12 | Nyle | you said you use Xebian, an unofficial port |
| 06:53.15 | simonrvn | yeh, screen |
| 06:53.17 | Guerin | Nyle: you can't install debian on an xbox |
| 06:53.23 | Nyle | ahh |
| 06:53.27 | Sazpaimon | I use debian on one of my PCs :P |
| 06:53.29 | Nyle | me and my big fuckin mouth |
| 06:53.31 | Nyle | I shut up now |
| 06:53.34 | Sazpaimon | Xebian is the xbox port |
| 06:53.38 | Sazpaimon | lemme explain what I can do |
| 06:53.41 | mrhung | hi all. Can anyone point to a good discussion of the nf3 250GB chipset and the nvsound module (NVidia)? Sound is no working for me. Google has turned up lots of nothing. |
| 06:53.46 | simonrvn | "1024x768-4" "1024x768-3" "832x624-1" # the -4 one will get used first |
| 06:53.52 | jm_ | Sazpaimon: try running depmod -a |
| 06:53.52 | squirrelplayingt | cabbie:permissions on /dev/sda1 i changed to 777 for the moment, Nyle: changed umask=000 but still says its read only |
| 06:53.57 | mlewis00 | Guerin: The only way that I could get it working was to look in the log file when it did work and enter that value in...?? |
| 06:54.20 | Guerin | mlewis00: that's because the output in dmesg/lspci is in one of decimal or hexadecimal, and X config needs the other one |
| 06:54.21 | ll_ | Sazpaimon: I doubt that anyone here is refusing to help you, I for one know jack shit about Xdebian. |
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| 06:54.22 | simonrvn | squirrelplayingt: don't do that. ever, esp. on a /dev file |
| 06:54.23 | manchot | just want to clarity: sid=unstable, sarge=stable ? |
| 06:54.28 | orion1 | Someone know how to play 'line-in' or 'mic' live in Linux like unchecking 'Mute' in windows does? All of the mixers I've tried have no such option |
| 06:54.31 | Guerin | mlewis00: if you leave it blank, it tends to work. |
| 06:54.35 | Sazpaimon | I can boot into Xebian using the Live CD (which is sort of like how Knoppix works) then I can mount my hard drive linux partition |
| 06:54.36 | simonrvn | manchot: woody == stable, sarge == testing, sid == unstable. sid will always be unstable. |
| 06:54.39 | Sazpaimon | then I can view the drive |
| 06:54.40 | squirrelplayingt | i changed it back after i tried to mount it |
| 06:54.42 | Sazpaimon | [22:53] <jm_> Sazpaimon: try running depmod -a |
| 06:54.54 | Nyle | well one day sid will be stable, no? |
| 06:54.58 | Sazpaimon | see I would but I cant get into debian |
| 06:55.06 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 06:55.07 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 06:55.08 | simonrvn | squirrelplayingt: as you saw, changing the mode on the device file did fuck all |
| 06:55.09 | jm_ | boot into single user mode |
| 06:55.11 | Nyle | and some other name would be used for the next unstable? |
| 06:55.11 | Sazpaimon | only via the bootable cd version |
| 06:55.20 | Sazpaimon | I do that how? |
| 06:55.21 | mlewis00 | Guerin: Never tried leaving it blank, though, because then I would have had to erase the value that was entered automatically...I'll try it next time though :) |
| 06:55.25 | Guerin | Nyle: ↑ |
| 06:55.34 | Sazpaimon | like I said, I can only mount my Xebian partition |
| 06:55.34 | Nyle | i only see weird characters |
| 06:55.36 | simonrvn | squirrelplayingt: what it did do is expose your box to a security issue |
| 06:55.37 | Sazpaimon | I cant boot into it |
| 06:55.40 | jm_ | or use bash for init and fix it |
| 06:55.41 | jm_ | you can also use the CD and chroot |
| 06:55.42 | Nyle | xchat doesn't show those charactes, what did you say? |
| 06:55.52 | simonrvn | Guerin: w00t |
| 06:55.58 | simonrvn | neat little arrow |
| 06:56.01 | squirrelplayingt | simonrvn" i have changed it back now |
| 06:56.06 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:56.10 | jm_ | is that utf8 ? |
| 06:56.15 | Guerin | urxvt pwns |
| 06:56.16 | simonrvn | yp |
| 06:56.16 | Guerin | yes |
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| 06:56.18 | simonrvn | yup |
| 06:56.29 | ll_ | Sazpaimon: does this Xdebian install disk have a "recovery" mode? |
| 06:56.37 | Sazpaimon | its not quite an install disc |
| 06:56.43 | Sazpaimon | its what's called a livecd |
| 06:56.45 | spowers | i'm trying to run debootstrap and getting an error trying to download console-tools-libs.. is this to be expected trying from sarge at this moment in time? |
| 06:56.46 | simonrvn | squirrelplayingt: i'm just trying to drive the point home |
| 06:56.55 | Sazpaimon | its basically Xebian on a cd |
| 06:56.58 | simonrvn | squirrelplayingt: pardon the pun |
| 06:57.06 | Sazpaimon | with an installer program |
| 06:57.14 | simonrvn | spowers: sarge? woody? |
| 06:57.26 | Sazpaimon | you can actually run Xebian from a CD then copy it to the hard drive with the command "XBOXLinuxInstall" |
| 06:57.33 | lsailor | anyone here use mailscanner? |
| 06:57.37 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: you really need to ask the xebian people; don't they have an irc channel? |
| 06:57.41 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 06:57.41 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:57.44 | squirrelplayingt | simonrvn: i actually didn't know that so thank you. but i do still need to put files on my flash drive so windows can be happy =( |
| 06:57.52 | spowers | simonrvn: sarge |
| 06:57.59 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, I'm actually there |
| 06:58.11 | Sazpaimon | but there's no one active there |
| 06:58.37 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: sucks to be using an unsupported distro, I guess. |
| 06:58.55 | Guerin | I wonder if it'd be worth debian making an official xbox port... |
| 06:59.08 | simonrvn | squirrelplayingt: well, some of them i've heard you need to remount them rw once they're mounted or something, since the kernel mounts it ro the first time. or something like that. check www.linuxmafia.com in the knowledgebase/faq and look up the usb flash drives |
| 06:59.09 | Sazpaimon | I'd ude it |
| 06:59.14 | iceman | I hate that 'are you smoking crack?' line, wtf is it supposed to mean anyway |
| 06:59.17 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: well, obviously. |
| 06:59.30 | Nyle | iceman, I would think exactly what it says |
| 06:59.32 | simonrvn | iceman: means you fucked up =) |
| 06:59.35 | Sazpaimon | Okay so Im in my CD boot of Xebian |
| 06:59.40 | jm_ | Guerin: it would probably work if you use proper kernel and then make it bootable, the rest should be the same |
| 06:59.50 | iceman | yea, but what the fuck does me fucking up have to do with crack? :) |
| 06:59.54 | Sazpaimon | if I mount my hard drive can I resolve my issue this way? |
| 06:59.56 | squirrelplayingt | simonrvn: thankyou |
| 07:00.05 | Guerin | jm_: yeah, shouldn't be hard |
| 07:00.18 | Nyle | iceman, have you ever seen crackheads? |
| 07:00.20 | Nyle | they are fucked up |
| 07:00.21 | Guerin | iceman: people who smoke crack are fucked up |
| 07:00.32 | simonrvn | squirrelplayingt: so you could try doing mount -t foo -o remount,rw /dev/bar /mnt/baz |
| 07:00.35 | Sazpaimon | what was it you say I edit? |
| 07:00.36 | iceman | I have never seen nor spoken to people using crack |
| 07:00.37 | Sazpaimon | init? |
| 07:00.51 | iceman | but you guys have? |
| 07:01.04 | Nyle | well, i don't know if you have alot of crackheads in sweden or not |
| 07:01.07 | Guerin | iceman: it's not exactly an uncommon turn of phrase |
| 07:01.09 | Nyle | but in the usa, we got a lot of them |
| 07:01.27 | Guerin | crack is basically only used in the americas |
| 07:01.28 | Nyle | ga och knulla en crackhead |
| 07:01.29 | Nyle | :D |
| 07:01.44 | iceman | hehehe yea your mama |
| 07:01.51 | Nyle | din morsa, arsle |
| 07:02.01 | Nyle | just kiddin |
| 07:02.50 | iceman | I understood alright |
| 07:03.13 | Nyle | of course you did |
| 07:03.18 | jariep1_ | simonrvn, I'm looking at /etc/ppp/options but where do I put defaultroute? |
| 07:03.42 | simonrvn | jariep1_: anywhere |
| 07:03.52 | simonrvn | friends |
| 07:04.03 | iceman | dpkg: give me some crack damn you |
| 07:04.03 | dpkg | iceman: i haven't a clue |
| 07:04.04 | manchot | how unstable is sid? any chances to use for desktop? |
| 07:04.13 | Nyle | iceman, trust me, you don't want it |
| 07:04.23 | iceman | it's no good? |
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| 07:04.25 | Nyle | it is the shittier form of coke, and it sucks |
| 07:04.27 | Nyle | dangerous |
| 07:04.29 | Nyle | and very addictive |
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| 07:04.36 | iceman | just the way I like it |
| 07:04.48 | lsailor | i am looking for some help with mailscanner...it starts without error and i see entries in the logs when it starts but it does not seem to be scanning....anyone here have any ideas? |
| 07:04.50 | jm_ | so dpkg was right then |
| 07:04.54 | Nyle | its cooked coke, with baking soda |
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| 07:04.56 | simonrvn | manchot: use sarge at first. get used to how debian works. then when you're ready you can try out sid. sid is not for the faint of heart |
| 07:04.57 | Nyle | u really want that shit? |
| 07:05.02 | Nyle | you* |
| 07:05.10 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, would it be safe to make a copy of my 2.4.27 directory and name it 2.4.26? |
| 07:05.11 | Guerin | cocaine i a no, he clearly has no idea |
| 07:05.16 | manchot | simonrvn: thank you. |
| 07:05.17 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: no. |
| 07:05.31 | Sazpaimon | okay |
| 07:05.31 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: did you install a 2.4.26 kernel? |
| 07:05.34 | Guerin | or what the fuck? |
| 07:05.35 | iceman | no, Im just kidding of course |
| 07:05.40 | iceman | come on |
| 07:05.41 | Sazpaimon | no this comes with 2.4.27 |
| 07:05.43 | Nyle | i know ;) |
| 07:05.44 | simonrvn | Sazpaimon: you don't change your kernel version by renaming a directory... |
| 07:06.00 | Nyle | lol |
| 07:06.11 | iceman | thats cute simon |
| 07:06.15 | iceman | :) |
| 07:06.22 | Sazpaimon | is there a way to het Linux to run depmod -a prior to that message comming up? |
| 07:06.25 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: then give beatings to whoever built it, because they clearly fucked it up |
| 07:06.27 | squirrelplayingt | simonrvn: you have no idea how much you just saved my brothers ass. Thank you so much |
| 07:06.28 | Guerin | and good |
| 07:06.36 | iceman | Nyle: Im gonna have myself en stor jävla snus istället |
| 07:06.38 | Nyle | I love sweden for the fact that a lot of good metal bands come from there |
| 07:06.39 | simonrvn | squirrelplayingt: it worked? |
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| 07:06.43 | Nyle | iceman lol |
| 07:06.48 | squirrelplayingt | yup |
| 07:06.52 | simonrvn | cool |
| 07:07.09 | Sazpaimon | well, other people can apparently run it fine |
| 07:07.22 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: ask them how. |
| 07:07.37 | Sazpaimon | they never got that error it seems |
| 07:07.44 | Nyle | lets try and keep it enlighs only before the bossmen jump down our throats |
| 07:08.21 | Sazpaimon | where is init located? |
| 07:08.23 | iceman | any cplay users around? Im trying to get it to display id3-info, installed the required modules and all, no luck.. |
| 07:08.28 | Sazpaimon | maybe I can executed on my mounted hard drive |
| 07:08.33 | Sazpaimon | *execute it |
| 07:08.34 | bob2 | iceman: doesn't work for me either |
| 07:08.35 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: because that message means that depmod hasn't been run for that 2.4.26 kernel image - if you're not booting that kernel image, then something is well fucked |
| 07:08.52 | Guerin | iceman: yeah, i can't make it work |
| 07:09.03 | Guerin | btu I don't much care about id tag info |
| 07:09.39 | iceman | so.. |
| 07:09.51 | iceman | I'll just start reading the code then |
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| 07:11.23 | bob2 | or file a bug and make tbm fix it |
| 07:11.40 | Guerin | iceman: talk to peterS - he's the current maintainer |
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| 07:11.53 | Guerin | filing a bug would probably be enough to get him onto it |
| 07:12.12 | bob2 | er, no he's not |
| 07:12.12 | iceman | I've never filed a bug before, will you help me? |
| 07:12.13 | bob2 | tbm is |
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| 07:12.32 | Guerin | bob2: peterS isn't a DD, but he is maintaining cplay |
| 07:12.35 | Vyrus001 | anybody know of a good audio file editor for linux? "i.e. sound forge" |
| 07:12.44 | Guerin | bob2: or so he tells me |
| 07:12.53 | bob2 | not according to the BTS |
| 07:13.04 | Guerin | bob2: yeah, I know. |
| 07:13.21 | Guerin | he reckons he's taken it over from tbm |
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| 07:14.24 | bob2 | he hasn't fixed any bugs, either |
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| 07:15.17 | bob2 | and only reported one |
| 07:15.46 | Guerin | bob2: I know. He wrote a patch to do something like fix the scrolling behavior in cplay, but upstream rejecvted it and tbm doesn't have time to work on it any more. He reckons when he gets a bunch of fixes etc. he'll upload a new version |
| 07:15.56 | bob2 | oh, ok |
| 07:16.25 | simonrvn | i'm just hoping quik gets into sarge soon. |
| 07:16.41 | simonrvn | aba keeps telling me "be patient, it'll get there" heh |
| 07:16.41 | Guerin | I wrote him a little script for cplay to play a few more file formats for inclusion in this mythical new version as well |
| 07:17.03 | bob2 | hehe |
| 07:17.05 | budluva | ok, im trying to do a fresh re-install of postfix, and when i got apt-get remove --purge postfix, it wants to remove mysql-server, which i want to stay installed an configured, how do i get around this? |
| 07:17.11 | bob2 | simonrvn: yeah, saw you'd taken that over, good work :) |
| 07:17.21 | Guerin | budluva: --reinstall |
| 07:17.22 | simonrvn | *blush* thanks |
| 07:17.23 | bob2 | budluva: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends postfix |
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| 07:17.39 | Guerin | oh yeah |
| 07:17.52 | Guerin | --reinstall will deconfigure mysql etc. too |
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| 07:18.05 | bob2 | well, it won't remove the configs, either |
| 07:18.12 | bob2 | which is what budluva is trying to do, I guess |
| 07:18.15 | Guerin | with --purge? |
| 07:18.17 | budluva | yeah |
| 07:18.27 | budluva | i want to keep mysql config, but have a fresh postfix config |
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| 07:18.40 | bob2 | oh, I don't know if --reinstall and --purge work togetether, didn't even think of that |
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| 07:20.00 | budluva | well...how do i find out what postfix* packages are installed? |
| 07:20.00 | cabbie | squirrelplayingt: sorry to lead u astray (though I never meant 777) |
| 07:20.07 | budluva | maybe i can remove them and just reconfigure postfix |
| 07:20.13 | bob2 | budluva: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 07:20.25 | deadcat | is it hard to setup a dialup system for someone to dial into the box? what software do i need? hardware? |
| 07:20.27 | bob2 | and "get a fresh postfix config" os not what I'm looking for |
| 07:20.44 | budluva | bob2 setup postfix, but i was trying to install with mysql support for virtual users, but decided i will only have system users have email addresses, so i dont want to use mysql with postfix |
| 07:21.08 | bob2 | so remove postfix-mysql |
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| 07:21.52 | jariep1_ | simonrvn, can you give me an example of what I'm supposed to put in into /etc/ppp/options and where I can I find the value that I need for the defaultroute? |
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| 07:22.08 | simonrvn | jariep1_: i already did |
| 07:22.42 | v7w | hey sTone_heAd |
| 07:22.53 | jariep1_ | luckily I have the transcript |
| 07:22.57 | sTone_heAd | hi |
| 07:23.42 | iceman | is there any "key command" like ctrl-w that deletes word to the right of cursor? |
| 07:24.04 | deadcat | ctrl-w |
| 07:24.10 | deadcat | oh |
| 07:24.11 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:24.17 | budluva | hrmm...ok, im getting a connection refused when trying to check my mail...ports 25 and 143 are still open... |
| 07:24.20 | deadcat | D |
| 07:24.32 | bob2 | budluva: come on |
| 07:24.35 | lightfoot | What's up Everyone. |
| 07:24.39 | bob2 | budluva: this is when yo uat least check if postfix is running |
| 07:25.01 | budluva | bob2 yeah i've done a postfix restart |
| 07:25.11 | jm_ | iceman: alt-d |
| 07:25.14 | bob2 | and....? |
| 07:25.21 | bob2 | budluva: is it running? |
| 07:25.23 | budluva | getting a connection refused |
| 07:25.33 | bob2 | yes, that means it isn't running |
| 07:25.44 | bob2 | presumably because the config is broken now mysql is gone |
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| 07:25.55 | dirtbagamn | hey, andybody got wmv's (version 9) workin with mplayer? |
| 07:25.58 | iceman | jm_: thanks |
| 07:26.31 | budluva | bob2 well i reconfigured (or atleast i thought i did) to work without mysql |
| 07:26.57 | bob2 | budluva: and your postfix logs say? |
| 07:27.04 | deadcat | what software do i need to setup a modem system? like people dial in to a shell |
| 07:27.32 | budluva | Dec 26 17:32:17 smokey postfix/postfix-script: stopping the Postfix mail system |
| 07:27.32 | budluva | Dec 26 17:32:17 smokey postfix/master[24601]: terminating on signal 15 |
| 07:27.32 | budluva | Dec 26 17:32:19 smokey postfix/postfix-script: starting the Postfix mail system |
| 07:27.32 | budluva | Dec 26 17:32:19 smokey postfix/master[24794]: daemon started -- version 2.1.4 |
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| 07:27.38 | budluva | sorry |
| 07:27.39 | budluva | check #flood |
| 07:27.51 | lightfoot | heh |
| 07:28.10 | budluva | its not even showing me trying to connect |
| 07:28.12 | jariep1_ | simonrvn, you said: set defaultroute in /etc/ppp/options |
| 07:28.13 | ericb_ | is it a good idea to make a cron job that do sync every hours ? |
| 07:28.28 | bob2 | because it's craaashing |
| 07:28.29 | budluva | i've gotten a connection refused like 5 times and it doesnt show up in logs for some reason |
| 07:28.33 | budluva | no |
| 07:28.37 | budluva | that was me stopping and starting |
| 07:28.47 | bob2 | run 'netstat -pluant | grep 25' and see |
| 07:29.15 | jariep1_ | simonrvn, is there an easier document to read than the man page for pppd |
| 07:29.17 | jariep1_ | ? |
| 07:29.24 | budluva | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 24794/master |
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| 07:30.02 | jariep1_ | I guess maybe i need a howto |
| 07:30.05 | bob2 | jariep1_: are you dialing out? |
| 07:30.34 | simonrvn | jariep1_: this is NOT HARD. add the option, stop pppd (poff) then start it (pon). |
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| 07:30.59 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 07:31.19 | bob2 | jariep1_: if you're dialing out, then the default pppd config is fine |
| 07:31.30 | bob2 | budluva: firewall? etc? |
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| 07:32.45 | budluva | bob2 no it should be all good |
| 07:36.11 | budluva | how can i find a list of all postfix* installed packages? |
| 07:36.19 | budluva | maybe i'll just remove them all and reinstall |
| 07:36.34 | bob2 | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "postfix*" | grep \^ii |
| 07:37.06 | csabo2 | hey hey |
| 07:37.35 | csabo2 | i was upgrading and i got a msg saying usb wasnt enabled , somthing about libusb |
| 07:37.42 | csabo2 | is that installable? |
| 07:37.50 | jariep1_ | bob2, It's a ADSLmodem setup with a pppd client |
| 07:38.04 | bob2 | ouch |
| 07:38.34 | jariep1_ | need to get some sleep, but thanks all |
| 07:38.37 | jariep1_ | night |
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| 07:39.27 | csabo2 | anyone here get a soundblaster live 24bit to work with alsa |
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| 07:39.32 | sTone_heAd | wnorrix, moo |
| 07:40.14 | bucky | csabo2, have you tried alsaconf |
| 07:40.25 | csabo2 | i havent installed alsa yet |
| 07:40.28 | csabo2 | im just asking before hand |
| 07:40.31 | csabo2 | to see if its worthwhile |
| 07:40.37 | lightfoot | heh yes |
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| 07:40.55 | csabo2 | its emu10k1 right? |
| 07:41.59 | lightfoot | 7.1 soundblaster? |
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| 07:42.37 | bob2 | alsaconf is pointless |
| 07:42.41 | lightfoot | audigyls |
| 07:42.41 | bob2 | just load the module |
| 07:43.00 | bucky | emu10k1 is oss |
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| 07:43.09 | bucky | not alsa |
| 07:43.20 | lightfoot | audigyls -- Creative Audigy LS driver. SB Live! 7.1 24bit uses the audigyls alsa driver. |
| 07:43.22 | breedx | woah, so I'm not the only one having alsa problems with the emu10k1? |
| 07:43.51 | csabo2 | ahh |
| 07:43.53 | dirtbagamn | can anybody play wmv3 files ? |
| 07:43.54 | bucky | emu10k1 is not alsa emu10k1 is oss |
| 07:43.55 | csabo2 | so i should use audigyls |
| 07:44.10 | csabo2 | even though its not an audigy lol |
| 07:44.12 | bucky | csabo2, you should use alsaconf |
| 07:44.15 | Vyrus001 | anybody know of a good audio file editor for linux? "i.e. sound forge" |
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| 07:45.07 | lightfoot | audicity |
| 07:45.12 | ericb_ | currently making a new kernel.. checking the requirement.. it's said binutils it needs 2.9.1.0.25; I got 2.15-5 and apt say binutils is installed and up to date |
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| 07:45.32 | breedx | bucky: I think emu10k1 is alsa... |
| 07:45.46 | erased | hey guys, I'm sorta stuck |
| 07:45.58 | bucky | snd-emu10k1 is one of the alsa drivers |
| 07:46.00 | csabo2 | ericb_ try updating your apt cache |
| 07:46.10 | ericb_ | it's up to date |
| 07:46.12 | lightfoot | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=emu10k1 |
| 07:46.14 | ericb_ | and I run sarge |
| 07:46.16 | breedx | bucky: gotcha, sorry, missed the distinction. ;) |
| 07:46.18 | bucky | but emu10k1 is oss |
| 07:46.20 | erased | Apt-get is stuck on a package that wont install, apt-get -f install doesnt work and neither does dpkg --configure -a |
| 07:46.25 | csabo2 | hmm |
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| 07:46.26 | ericb_ | so it should be quite up to date right csabo2 ? |
| 07:46.26 | lightfoot | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=audigyls |
| 07:46.34 | csabo2 | as far as i know yes sir |
| 07:46.40 | csabo2 | bucky can you help ericb_ |
| 07:46.50 | erased | I want to dump those packages (openoffice stuff) so I can install libncurses and roll a new kernel |
| 07:46.51 | bucky | sure |
| 07:46.53 | erased | any ideas? |
| 07:47.01 | mrhung | I'm running sarge on a Nforce3 based mobo. Trying to figure out how certain modules are being loaded. Can't seem to find them anywhere under /etc. HELP?! |
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| 07:47.30 | csabo2 | man im upset, i formatted my 200gb by accident, lost all my MP3, and Movies :( |
| 07:47.34 | mrhung | I've tried a grep -Rli "<module name>" * in /etc with nothing. |
| 07:47.58 | erased | mrhung: try looking in /usr/src/modules |
| 07:48.11 | mrhung | How the heck is it loading (<module name> = forcedeth -- nvidia nforce eth driver) |
| 07:48.12 | erased | *might* be there |
| 07:48.27 | csabo2 | did you check nvidias page for support? |
| 07:48.32 | bucky | ericb_, if your going to recompile a kernel you should do it like this |
| 07:48.32 | csabo2 | maybe somthing there |
| 07:48.33 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 07:48.43 | mrhung | erased: The driver is loading fine. It's there. |
| 07:48.53 | erased | oh, thought you were looking for it |
| 07:48.55 | erased | my bad |
| 07:48.59 | mrhung | csabo2: I think it's a problem with me and debian, not the driver... yet |
| 07:49.08 | csabo2 | :( |
| 07:49.14 | erased | anyone see my question? APt-get is being a pain, need help |
| 07:49.19 | csabo2 | sorry im not very good with linux, still learning , i dont know anything else |
| 07:49.24 | csabo2 | erased whats your question |
| 07:49.33 | breedx | mrhung: you have module-utils installed? |
| 07:49.34 | erased | apt-get -f install and dpkg --configure -a wont get rid of these package problems |
| 07:49.38 | mrhung | erased: no... forcedeth is loading on boot, but I can't figure out why. |
| 07:49.46 | csabo2 | erased what pkg problems are you having? |
| 07:49.49 | mrhung | breedx: yes... kind new to it as well. |
| 07:50.00 | erased | csabo2 I tried to install a few openoffice packages |
| 07:50.02 | mrhung | breedx: been readin... but not a whole lot of good info |
| 07:50.09 | erased | but they aren't installing correctly |
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| 07:50.15 | csabo2 | what error message are you getting ? |
| 07:50.18 | lightfoot | heh |
| 07:50.28 | breedx | mrhung: I'm actually tracking down a similar problem, I have parallel port stuff loading and I can't figure out why.....but I'm on SID |
| 07:50.51 | erased | csabo2: well, I dont care about installing those, but I want to get rid of the errors (delete the packages from the que sorta??) so I can install something else |
| 07:50.53 | mrhung | breedx: and you cannot figure out what file is "telling" the kernel to load it? |
| 07:51.12 | csabo2 | oh |
| 07:51.13 | erased | csabo2: want me to post in #flood? |
| 07:51.28 | csabo2 | nah theres a command to delete the .deb files |
| 07:51.31 | pmwilson | erased: purge them.... |
| 07:51.31 | csabo2 | sec ill find it |
| 07:51.35 | csabo2 | yea thats it purge |
| 07:51.40 | csabo2 | apt-cache purge i think |
| 07:51.49 | erased | ok, I'll try that |
| 07:51.50 | breedx | mrhung: right. I ended up discovering (I think) that newer stuff uses module-init-utils with /etc/modprobe.d instead of the older module-utils and /etc/modules.conf |
| 07:51.51 | erased | one second |
| 07:51.54 | csabo2 | that should delete them all |
| 07:51.56 | pmwilson | delete the deb files..!?!? why? that's clean or autoclean actually |
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| 07:52.04 | breedx | mrhung: so I did some cleanup and logging and *still* can't figure out how those things are being loaded. |
| 07:52.07 | pmwilson | purge is remove but it includes all config files |
| 07:52.30 | mrhung | breedx: exactly. |
| 07:52.50 | csabo2 | thats one thing thats nice about windows lol you can check msconfig |
| 07:52.52 | breedx | mrhung: I haven't completely ruled out hotplug and/or cupsd (???) but I'm at a loss. |
| 07:52.57 | csabo2 | i do miss that |
| 07:53.05 | pmwilson | if you want to clean up the package cache (local copies of .deb's that you've installed) do aptitude clean |
| 07:53.07 | mrhung | breedx: I'm want to use the nvnet driver on my eth1, but the damn forcedeth (the OSS driver) keeps loading first. |
| 07:53.21 | erased | apt-cache purge didnt work "Invalid operation" |
| 07:53.31 | csabo2 | erased aptitude clean |
| 07:53.32 | csabo2 | try thatg |
| 07:53.33 | csabo2 | that* |
| 07:53.34 | mrhung | breedx: strange thing is, the nvnet module loads. |
| 07:53.36 | erased | pmwilson: I read through the man page and already did a clean |
| 07:53.48 | erased | csabo2 "aptitude clean"? |
| 07:53.57 | mrhung | breedx: I'm getting the same exact problem with the snd_intel8x0 and nvsound modules. |
| 07:53.59 | breedx | mrhung: you have /etc/modules? |
| 07:54.01 | erased | just whats in quotes? |
| 07:54.05 | pmwilson | erased: apt-cache is just for looking through the cached list of what packages are available in the sources you have listed |
| 07:54.10 | jcigar | I get this message with dynamic dns with bind/dhcp : update failed: 'name not in use' prerequisite not satisfied (YXDOMAIN) |
| 07:54.16 | jcigar | any ideas ? |
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| 07:54.23 | pmwilson | erased: you're looking for aptitude purge package-names |
| 07:54.23 | erased | pmwilson: ok, so apt-get purge? |
| 07:54.29 | mrhung | breedx: yeah... but that's called cheating. |
| 07:54.32 | erased | pmwilson: ok thanks |
| 07:54.34 | mrhung | ;-) |
| 07:54.35 | erased | let me try that |
| 07:54.38 | pmwilson | erased: yeah... you can just use apt-get, but i like aptitude a lot better.... |
| 07:54.38 | breedx | mrhung: it is? |
| 07:54.50 | csabo2 | what is the difference pmwilson |
| 07:54.51 | pmwilson | erased: or just try apt-get remove |
| 07:54.54 | prium | if i installed xvid(a codec), which is basically just the neccessary lib files, what would you suggest for an executable? |
| 07:55.04 | csabo2 | prium , VLC :) |
| 07:55.07 | csabo2 | videoLAN |
| 07:55.10 | csabo2 | best player IMHO |
| 07:55.21 | prium | awesome |
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| 07:55.25 | mrhung | breedx: he he he... I could put my nvnet in there, but it's bothering me why the damn forcedeth keeps loading |
| 07:55.26 | csabo2 | i use it on my xp machine as well |
| 07:55.28 | csabo2 | plays anything |
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| 07:55.33 | prium | oh sweet |
| 07:55.37 | prium | apt pkg? or no |
| 07:55.45 | pmwilson | csabo2: aptitude stores a bunch of extra state about why packages were installed... so packages will automatically get uninstalled if nothing depends on them any longer (as long as they were automatically selected in the first place) |
| 07:55.48 | breedx | mrhung: oh, totally....I just wanted to make sure you've checked there. ;) |
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| 07:55.56 | mrhung | anyone got experience with nforce3 audio. No workie for me. |
| 07:56.19 | mrhung | breedx: yes it did. Thanks |
| 07:56.23 | csabo2 | nice pwilson |
| 07:56.26 | mrhung | breedx s/it/i |
| 07:56.27 | csabo2 | pmwilson * |
| 07:56.43 | mrhung | brb... |
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| 07:56.50 | csabo2 | prium , try apt-cache search |
| 07:56.54 | pmwilson | csabo2: if you told it to install something, that always takes priority.... but if it had to install something, then it can remove it later... saves you using deborphan (i almost never use it) |
| 07:57.04 | csabo2 | ah nice :) |
| 07:57.05 | tzafrir | Is there a way to make debmirror mirror other parts of a debian mirror besides /pool and /dists so I can use the local mirror with debian-cd ? |
| 07:57.17 | erased | pmwilson: same problem, it says Openoffice has not been configured and the two packages have not been installed |
| 07:57.31 | erased | pmwilson: want me to post the output somewhere? |
| 07:57.45 | erased | pmwilson: it'll take a bit to copy it to disk and bring it over here, but I will |
| 07:57.50 | pmwilson | erased: nah |
| 07:58.00 | pmwilson | erased: try forcing the removal |
| 07:58.17 | erased | apt-get ???? remove? |
| 07:58.21 | erased | whats the switch? |
| 07:58.27 | erased | or is that even close |
| 07:58.32 | tzafrir | apt-get remove |
| 07:58.47 | erased | I've done apt-get remove, doesnt work either |
| 07:58.53 | pmwilson | -f maybe |
| 07:59.00 | erased | tells me to run "dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 07:59.05 | tzafrir | erased: you have unconfigured packages. See the error message |
| 07:59.11 | pmwilson | or just use dpkg.... |
| 07:59.14 | tzafrir | what happens when you run it? |
| 07:59.37 | erased | tzafrir: when I run what, yeah, I have unconfig'd packages that I just want to get rid of |
| 07:59.40 | erased | make 'em go away |
| 07:59.47 | charwood | I'm having trouble booting... The boot process gives me about 40 errors from scripts in /etc/rc5.d starting with /etc/rc5.d/S10checkroot.sh:298 all of which say "Permission Denied". Anyone have any idea why this would happen? |
| 07:59.48 | csabo2 | pmwilson for upgrading my kernel i should use kernel-image correct? |
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| 07:59.59 | pmwilson | csabo2: yes |
| 08:00.12 | pmwilson | erased: use dpkg --remove names |
| 08:00.12 | csabo2 | and if i have a P4 with hyperthreading i can use SMP correct? |
| 08:00.13 | erased | pmwilson: dpkg? How do I use dpkg to remove these? |
| 08:00.17 | pmwilson | csabo2: yes. |
| 08:00.17 | bucky | maybe erased has a corrupt deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 08:00.20 | erased | ok, thanks pmwilson |
| 08:00.24 | csabo2 | thanks pmwilson |
| 08:00.33 | tzafrir | erased , can you paste those errors somewhere? |
| 08:00.34 | charwood | It's frustrating my socks off. Don't know why it's happeneing either. Everything worked fine and then suddenly just didn't. |
| 08:00.40 | tzafrir | pasebin or somewhere? |
| 08:00.45 | bucky | or he's got knoppix and it's trying to overwrite a knx deb |
| 08:01.00 | charwood | Google won't scare me up much. |
| 08:01.22 | pmwilson | erased: most programs have some usage output.. try running dpkg --help for example (almost all binaries have this) or use the man page man dpkg for more detail |
| 08:01.34 | Guerin | charwood: those scripts aren't executable |
| 08:02.01 | Guerin | charwood: that's what 'permission denied' means when you try to execute something |
| 08:02.04 | charwood | Guerin: You mean that they shouldn't be set with an 'x' flag? |
| 08:02.04 | tzafrir | charwood: view /etc/rc5.d/S10checkroot.sh +298 |
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| 08:02.19 | Guerin | charwood: no, they should be, but they aren't |
| 08:02.28 | csabo2 | whats the pkg name for KDE? |
| 08:02.30 | charwood | Guerin: Well, the "Permission denied" comes from the scripts executing /lib/init/readline on line 298 |
| 08:02.31 | pmwilson | bucky: well... hmm... he didn't mention using knoppix... and he said he just wants to remove the packages to make space |
| 08:02.34 | csabo2 | search flooded me with results |
| 08:02.38 | erased | wow, talking about leaning apt-get and dpkg the hard way |
| 08:02.41 | erased | thanks pmwilson! |
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| 08:02.53 | pmwilson | erased: heh.... things working out? |
| 08:02.56 | erased | sorry I was an ass on Undernet, been a long bad night |
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| 08:03.00 | charwood | Guerin: That is, that's where the first error comes from. |
| 08:03.01 | erased | yeah, finally |
| 08:03.01 | jm_ | charwood: it's readlink, not readline |
| 08:03.07 | erased | thanks though man! |
| 08:03.13 | charwood | Yes, readlink. Thanks jm_ |
| 08:03.21 | Guerin | I dunno then |
| 08:03.22 | csabo2 | pmwilson whats the package(s) names for KDE? |
| 08:03.30 | csabo2 | cache search flooded me |
| 08:03.31 | tzafrir | kde ? |
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| 08:03.32 | Guerin | I have to go to work now... |
| 08:03.35 | charwood | So perhaps the problem is with readlink? |
| 08:03.39 | charwood | Guerin: Have fun. Thanks. |
| 08:03.40 | Guerin | csabo2: man grep |
| 08:03.43 | erased | I'm now apt-getting libncurses5dev so I can "make menuconfig" and get that box on the net |
| 08:03.46 | csabo2 | man greb? |
| 08:03.46 | jm_ | charwood: well check what's up with that, maybe add ls -l /bin/readlink and which readlink lines to the script |
| 08:03.47 | pmwilson | erased: apt tries to be a little more in charge... tries to not let you do things it thinks you don't want to do.... dpkg lets you force-override its checks if neceessary |
| 08:03.48 | csabo2 | k |
| 08:03.58 | erased | sweet |
| 08:04.04 | csabo2 | thats not funny |
| 08:04.08 | csabo2 | how i get out of that man |
| 08:04.15 | erased | apt is actually the reason I just dumped my FC3 install |
| 08:04.16 | csabo2 | nvm |
| 08:04.18 | Guerin | csabo2: out of what? |
| 08:04.19 | pmwilson | csabo2: q |
| 08:04.22 | csabo2 | the manual |
| 08:04.24 | csabo2 | im not reading all that |
| 08:04.25 | tzafrir | pmwilson , there's another option, you know: if a config script misnbehaves, edit it |
| 08:04.37 | erased | I hate rpm distros, even though FC3 is pretty nice |
| 08:04.37 | charwood | jm_: What is the -l flag on ls? |
| 08:04.37 | Guerin | csabo2: grep is the tool you need to whittle down your searches to a manageable list |
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| 08:04.50 | erased | anyway, off to roll one...a kernel that is |
| 08:04.51 | jm_ | charwood: man ls |
| 08:04.52 | csabo2 | ah |
| 08:04.52 | erased | later guys |
| 08:05.03 | Guerin | !mansmite #debian |
| 08:05.03 | charwood | jm_: Come on man, I'm trying to be lazy here and you're not helping. (-8 |
| 08:05.16 | charwood | jm_: Let me change that script and reboot, I'll let you know. (-8 |
| 08:05.17 | pmwilson | csabo2: there is a 'kde' package and a 'kdebase' as well |
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| 08:05.25 | Guerin | NOW I'm off to work :) |
| 08:05.25 | csabo2 | aah |
| 08:05.26 | csabo2 | thank you |
| 08:05.29 | jm_ | charwood: keep in mind that this may fail if /bin is fucked |
| 08:05.32 | csabo2 | that was too easy lol |
| 08:05.32 | charwood | jm_: Oh, I knew that. |
| 08:05.58 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Bye |
| 08:06.15 | fpmc | is socks5 available in debian? |
| 08:06.20 | jm_ | fpms;is it ? |
| 08:06.36 | tzafrir | so any idea of what can I use to create a local mirror for debian-cd to use? |
| 08:06.47 | mrhung | breedx: you mentioned hotplug earlier... won't the module have to be listed there for it to load? |
| 08:06.52 | fpmc | jm_: ? |
| 08:07.02 | jm_ | fpmc: apt-cache search socks |
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| 08:07.09 | mrhung | breedx: back to your parallel/my forcedeth prob |
| 08:07.10 | erased | pmwilson: ok, another problem, libneon is a previously DESELECTED package that is trying to install with errors now |
| 08:07.19 | breedx | mrhung: not sure, haven't fleshed it out yet....but I saw that mentioned somewhere. |
| 08:07.20 | fpmc | jm_: only found socks4-server, socks4-clients, and library/devlopment stuff |
| 08:07.22 | erased | apt-get purge to get it out or what? |
| 08:07.30 | jm_ | fpmc: no, read it again |
| 08:07.42 | mrhung | breedx: your on sid? (I'm sarge) |
| 08:07.49 | csabo2 | !sid |
| 08:07.49 | dpkg | well, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 08:08.04 | breedx | mrhung: yeah, I'm on sid... |
| 08:08.06 | csabo2 | lol |
| 08:08.08 | csabo2 | !woody |
| 08:08.10 | dpkg | hmm... woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 08:08.19 | csabo2 | !potato |
| 08:08.19 | dpkg | i heard potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 08:08.20 | csabo2 | ooh |
| 08:08.22 | fpmc | jm_: oh..... is it dante? |
| 08:08.26 | erased | pmwilson: still around? |
| 08:08.31 | Hydroxide | anyone know what it means when the upper-right corner of a laptop LCD screen starts flickering? (i.e., it looks like it's pulsating in waves, or something) |
| 08:08.33 | jm_ | fpmc: on second thought, description for dante has been updated in Sarge, so it explicitely says v4 and v5 now |
| 08:08.37 | sanxiyn | fpmc: Dante, yes. |
| 08:08.43 | fpmc | thanks all |
| 08:08.45 | Hydroxide | err, wrong window, but any answers here are welcome too |
| 08:09.23 | erased | Hydroxide: you got a jacked up upper right corner of an LCD screen? |
| 08:09.32 | erased | just a thought |
| 08:09.39 | Hydroxide | erased: heh, that much is apparent :> |
| 08:09.43 | erased | lol |
| 08:09.47 | hettar | Hydroxide: It means your wallet is going to feel the pain of purchasing a new laptop very soon |
| 08:09.47 | erased | how old is it? |
| 08:10.01 | erased | hettar: that's what I was thinking too |
| 08:10.06 | csabo2 | this is the reason i use debian , the support chan |
| 08:10.19 | Hydroxide | hettar: depends. if it breaks by april 2005 it might be replaced free due to a known problem with some apple ibooks including my model |
| 08:10.34 | erased | csabo2: I have new apt problems now |
| 08:10.41 | hettar | hmmmm apple laptop. ~drool~ |
| 08:10.43 | erased | this is KILLING me |
| 08:10.44 | erased | lol |
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| 08:11.00 | Hydroxide | hettar: my model hasn't exhibited the particular problem on which they're basing the recall, so I can't take advantage of it yet |
| 08:11.06 | erased | Hydroxide: what are you waiting for...break the damn thing! |
| 08:11.30 | erased | Hydroxide: well, make it exhibit said problems! |
| 08:11.33 | Hydroxide | erased: heh. I would probably get a substantially newer model :) but, it's not the sort of breakage that's easy to do intentionally, and other breakage isn't covered |
| 08:11.53 | jm_ | hmm does mozilla-firefox have something similar to "Smart URL" feature in galeon ? |
| 08:11.54 | hettar | Hydroxide: so do you run debian on your ibook or just OSX ? |
| 08:12.25 | erased | pmwilson: you still lurking? |
| 08:12.42 | Hydroxide | hettar: debian. OS X too, but more often I am in Debian (incl. now) |
| 08:12.50 | tzafrir | erased , of you have problems, speak |
| 08:13.06 | Hydroxide | the particular defect that prompted apple's recall is explained here: http://www.apple.com/support/ibook/faq/ |
| 08:13.09 | breedx | so can anybody suggest another place to look to try and hunt down what's loading a( set of) module(s) at boot time? I've verified it's not in /etc/modules, I don't have /etc/modules.conf (using module-init-utils via /etc/modprobe.d) and I don't see any reference to them in /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 08:13.10 | tzafrir | (although writing them here is better than speaking) |
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| 08:13.28 | breedx | modules in question are parport_pc parport and lp |
| 08:13.29 | jm_ | breedx: could be hotplug or discover maybe |
| 08:13.35 | hettar | hmm I was thinking of getting a mac when I bought this laptop, but chickened out of spending the extra few $1000 dollars |
| 08:13.44 | breedx | jm_: not using discover |
| 08:13.59 | tzafrir | breedx : initrd? |
| 08:14.04 | jm_ | breedx: then it's most likely hotplug |
| 08:14.06 | csabo2 | erased ,whats up? |
| 08:14.20 | breedx | tzafrir: that's ramdisk, right? not using it. |
| 08:14.48 | jm_ | breedx: then there's a feature called "autoload modules" (at least in 2.6.10) |
| 08:14.53 | jm_ | kernel feature that is |
| 08:14.55 | Hydroxide | hettar: iBooks are very inexpensive |
| 08:14.59 | breedx | jm_: ah crap, that's likely it then.... |
| 08:15.09 | breedx | jm_: that's new in 2.6.10? |
| 08:15.20 | tzafrir | How does it know which modules to load? by PCI IDs and such? |
| 08:15.26 | hettar | Hydroxide: yeah but I wanted the 15" powerbook. The ibook didn't have all the features I wanted |
| 08:15.55 | Hydroxide | hettar: ah |
| 08:16.00 | jm_ | breedx: not sure, grep 2.6.10 patch if you have it handy |
| 08:16.07 | mrhung | breedx: I was just thinking that. |
| 08:16.15 | csabo2 | what does grep stand for? |
| 08:16.22 | erased | ok, this package wont install or remove EITHER |
| 08:16.24 | erased | errr |
| 08:16.26 | sanxiyn | csabo2: g/re/p |
| 08:16.27 | breedx | jm_: sounds dangerously painful....lemme have a peek. |
| 08:16.28 | tzafrir | general regex parser, IIRC |
| 08:16.35 | csabo2 | aah |
| 08:16.37 | hettar | This laptop has all the features I wanted but is a little on the plastic side. typical x86 laptop really |
| 08:16.41 | csabo2 | lol @ erased |
| 08:16.47 | mrhung | jm_: is that applicabale to 2.6.8 (the module autoload)? |
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| 08:17.03 | breedx | jm_: verified that this got enabled for me (likely my fault via make oldconfig) |
| 08:17.09 | tzafrir | nothing ot do with gnu , gtk or gnome, even though it begins with 'g' |
| 08:17.10 | Hydroxide | hettar: "extra few $1000 dollars" is a bit of an exaggeration, but it is more expensive ... still, you get what you pay for. if you actually matched your x86 to the powerbook feature for feature, including both hardware and software, it wouldn't be much cheaper |
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| 08:17.39 | jm_ | mrhung: hold on, I am downloading 2.6.10 patch |
| 08:17.52 | hettar | Hydroxide: In .au where I am the powerbook was $1500 more for basically the same features |
| 08:17.56 | sanxiyn | For grep: see http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/G/grep.html |
| 08:17.58 | csabo2 | alsa comes in 2.6.x kernel right? |
| 08:18.04 | sanxiyn | tzafrir: No, it isn't general regex parser. |
| 08:18.08 | mrhung | hmmmm.... I may no recompile... |
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| 08:18.27 | breedx | csabo2: the recent ones anyway |
| 08:18.27 | mrhung | WTF did I just say? I may HAVE TO recompile. ;-) |
| 08:18.36 | csabo2 | breedx i just installed 2.6.8 |
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| 08:18.40 | Hydroxide | hettar: ah, you were using australian dollars. I was thinking in USD |
| 08:19.04 | mrhung | I'm using stock sarge 2.6.8... trying to keep it simple... and look what it gets me. |
| 08:19.05 | breedx | verified that 2.6.6 has the automatic kernel loading too |
| 08:19.06 | hettar | Hydroxide: I will be the first to admit however that the powerbook was of superior quality. I just wish the powerbook had a higher resolution. This onw does 1400x1050 which is nice |
| 08:19.17 | Hydroxide | ah. |
| 08:19.20 | mrhung | so it's definitely in 2.6.8 too |
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| 08:19.22 | mrhung | errrr |
| 08:19.23 | breedx | csabo2: that has alsa for sure |
| 08:19.42 | csabo2 | Sweet |
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| 08:20.02 | blah1 | why should my inetd be using port 21 ? |
| 08:20.05 | Hydroxide | on the extreme end of high resolution, the apple cinema displays are drool-worthy =] I don't own one, of course, being a student and on a mostly typical student budget |
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| 08:20.13 | mrhung | isn't there a /proc tweak for that (module autoload?) |
| 08:20.18 | tzafrir | blah1: listening for your ftpd |
| 08:20.30 | blah1 | o..k.. |
| 08:20.33 | breedx | Ok, I can chalk the autoloading of parport stuff up to autoload then? |
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| 08:20.37 | tzafrir | wuftpd, vsftpd and others use inetd |
| 08:20.44 | jm_ | breedx mrhung: it was present in .9 as well |
| 08:20.45 | csabo2 | Hydroxide my buddy has two 23' hooked up , its amazing |
| 08:20.45 | blah1 | but i just installed proftpd.. |
| 08:20.50 | blah1 | i guess that doesnt use it |
| 08:20.51 | blah1 | ? |
| 08:20.54 | Hydroxide | csabo2: *nod* |
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| 08:21.10 | csabo2 | oh is there any ftp client for linux that supports FXP? |
| 08:21.12 | hettar | Hydroxide: Yes I've been into the apple store here to have a drool over one. I haven't manage to get work to buy me three yet. I keep telling them how much more productive I would be coding on one but so far no luck :-) |
| 08:21.12 | breedx | the autoload is supposed to be "on-demand"....which doesn't exactly explain why it's loading on boot. |
| 08:21.24 | jm_ | csabo2: yes |
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| 08:21.30 | csabo2 | jm_ which ? |
| 08:21.34 | mrhung | he he he... so what automagically turns on the autoload? |
| 08:21.45 | ceige | I'm having trouble adding some sources to my /etc/apt/sources.list file. After I added some archives with the 'testing' distro it came up with the error 'Dynamic MMap ran out of room'. What does this mean? |
| 08:21.47 | tzafrir | proftpd can actually use inetd, if you really really want to. configurable via debconf |
| 08:21.53 | blah1 | ok, maybe i should just go back to using wuftpd.. |
| 08:21.55 | breedx | mrhung: it's a kernel compile option... |
| 08:21.55 | iceman | csabo2: lftp |
| 08:21.58 | jm_ | csabo2: lftp |
| 08:22.00 | pmwilson | blah1: inetd is a system to start server programs only as needed.... when someone tries to connect. it saves you resources if the services aren't really used very often |
| 08:22.07 | blah1 | ohh |
| 08:22.14 | streuner | !fxp |
| 08:22.14 | dpkg | from memory, fxp is a program that uses FTP PASV mode to transfer between two FTP servers, ask about 'quftp' for software |
| 08:22.20 | mrhung | breedx: right... maybe I just misunderstood you "on demand" |
| 08:22.24 | csabo2 | !quftp |
| 08:22.24 | dpkg | well, quftp is a command line ftp client that allows you to select a slew of files to upload and download. When gnufo is ready it transfers them one after the other. This is still in early development, but is planned to be a fully featured FTP/FxP client. or at http://www.dparrish.zeta.org.au/quftp.html |
| 08:22.29 | csabo2 | lol @ command line |
| 08:22.31 | ceige | nvmind, /msg dpkg mmap answered my question |
| 08:22.33 | csabo2 | does lftp have a gui? |
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| 08:22.39 | Hydroxide | hettar: =) |
| 08:22.43 | pmwilson | blah1: wuftpd is a bad choice. bugs, security holes, etc. |
| 08:22.51 | blah1 | oh ok |
| 08:22.52 | breedx | mrhung: maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the kernel loaded modules when they were needed (ie. to perform a function) |
| 08:22.52 | csabo2 | blah1 use glftpd |
| 08:22.52 | ericb_ | what will the md5 module would do in my kernel ? |
| 08:22.58 | csabo2 | if you want security |
| 08:23.05 | breedx | mrhung: at least that's how the desc makes it sound. |
| 08:23.13 | hettar | ericb_: errr make md5 hashed ? |
| 08:23.16 | blah1 | thanks guys |
| 08:23.27 | DerJamster | Mornin |
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| 08:23.28 | csabo2 | iceman does lftp have an interface? |
| 08:23.41 | pmwilson | blah1: you can run a server either in "standalone" mode where it just starts and sits there waiting for a connection.... or you can set it up for inetd to start it when a connection comes in |
| 08:23.49 | jm_ | why don't you go to lftp home page and read about it ? |
| 08:23.56 | csabo2 | i dont like lynx |
| 08:23.58 | Thor- | I'm having some problems configuring logcheck. If I put in a new ignore line in logcheck.ignore it does not get ignored. the line has been tested with egrep on the syslog file directly. |
| 08:24.00 | mrhung | breedx: right... but I though udev was supposed to handle that? |
| 08:24.01 | csabo2 | and kde is still installing |
| 08:24.07 | pmwilson | blah1: if you want a simple ftp server, i'd recommend vsftpd it has a simple config file /etc/vsftpd.conf that is easy to understand |
| 08:24.10 | Thor- | is there a better way to test logcheck? |
| 08:24.11 | jm_ | then use elinks |
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| 08:24.15 | csabo2 | rather than typing all that, why didnt you just say yes or no |
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| 08:24.24 | csabo2 | are you trying to prove a point on irc? |
| 08:24.31 | breedx | mrhung: I now suspect (at least in my case) that something is probing and the kernel is autoloading it. |
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| 08:24.41 | blah1 | thanks pmwilson |
| 08:24.46 | blah1 | i'll go read some more first |
| 08:24.47 | breedx | mrhung: it's certainly *not* part of my normal module loading process, and I can't find any other mention of it. |
| 08:24.49 | streuner | csabo2: what we answer is our problem ;-) |
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| 08:25.10 | streuner | csabo2: if you want special answers, just tell us then... |
| 08:25.24 | csabo2 | i asked a simple question and he gives me crap about it |
| 08:25.32 | csabo2 | if i were able to browse there webpage i would do so |
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| 08:25.40 | csabo2 | as i cant figure out these bash browsers |
| 08:25.45 | csabo2 | i was hoping he would just say yes or no |
| 08:25.55 | streuner | csabo2: install openbox, or blackbox or windowmaker |
| 08:25.56 | breedx | mrhung: ah crap, there's the culprit....figures. :) the time the module loaded (in kern.log) corresponds to the time cupsd ran. |
| 08:26.01 | csabo2 | i cant atm |
| 08:26.04 | csabo2 | kde is downloading |
| 08:26.07 | jm_ | csabo2: that's awesome, you could have read all about it in the time you spent whining on IRC |
| 08:26.08 | csabo2 | with apt , so im stuck |
| 08:26.14 | streuner | csabo2: stop the download |
| 08:26.23 | streuner | csabo2: CTRL-C |
| 08:26.30 | csabo2 | ugh nvm jesus christ |
| 08:26.34 | streuner | csabo2: you can install KDE later |
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| 08:26.54 | Moraiat | I have a few problems: 1) I'm pretty sure I didn't fdisk this disk right, I need to make a single partition on a disk for /home |
| 08:27.06 | pmwilson | NO, KDE must be installed NOW! (i don't actually like KDE, please disregard this message) |
| 08:27.16 | iceman | :) |
| 08:27.16 | mrhung | breedx: makes sense... cupsd might need that. But still... how does it know what to load (although... parallel is pretty easy) |
| 08:27.34 | Moraiat | 2) i can't mount the disk, might not be a problem if 1 is fixed |
| 08:27.52 | Moraiat | can anyone spare a few minutes to tell me what to do? er...help |
| 08:27.58 | breedx | mrhung: I suppose it's as needed (ie. in my case, cupsd probably probes the port, and the kernel sees the request and goes ahead and loads the modules) |
| 08:28.00 | mrhung | breedx: thinking about my case. Still can't figure out why the i8x0 snd module and the forcedeth modules are loading... can't find them anywhere in /etc/mod* |
| 08:28.00 | pmwilson | Moraiat: you can't mount a partition unless it has a valid filesystem on it |
| 08:28.23 | pmwilson | Moraiat: you partiton, then create filesystems, then mount them |
| 08:28.27 | Moraiat | pmwilson: yar, which is why I need to know how to write a valid filesystem |
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| 08:28.44 | pmwilson | Moraiat: ok... what's the partitioning issue first |
| 08:28.46 | mrhung | breedx: just figured it out (I think) |
| 08:28.55 | breedx | mrhung: do tell... |
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| 08:29.06 | mrhung | breedx: for me anyway |
| 08:29.17 | mrhung | breedx: think depmod -a |
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| 08:29.22 | Moraiat | pmwilson: the problem lies in I don't exactly know what kind of things (primary/logical, boot/unboot) this disk needs. It's /dev/hdg but that doesn't really help. It's just gonna be a dedicated /home disk |
| 08:29.22 | pmwilson | Moraiat: i take it this is a 2nd HD for the machine? try using cfdisk /dev/hdb (if it *is* hdb) |
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| 08:29.33 | breedx | mrhung: old deps? |
| 08:29.36 | Tom- | mke2fs -j /dev/hdg =) |
| 08:29.45 | helloyo | if i plug in a usb mass storage device, how do i access it? (usb) |
| 08:29.56 | pmwilson | Moraiat: ok, so cfdisk /dev/hdg and make sure it has one partition |
| 08:30.05 | Tom- | Or you can make partitions on it |
| 08:30.09 | mrhung | breedx: /lib/modules/<kernel ver>/modules.dep |
| 08:30.13 | Moraiat | primary? |
| 08:30.15 | Moraiat | or logical? |
| 08:30.29 | Tom- | Primary is fine. Either will work |
| 08:30.31 | pmwilson | Moraiat: or however many you want.... you may want throw in an extra small one in there for more swap space at this point |
| 08:30.34 | breedx | mrhung: was out of date or not there? |
| 08:30.37 | mrhung | breedx: the devices are all listed there and which modules to use |
| 08:30.39 | pmwilson | Moraiat: primary makes this simpler |
| 08:30.41 | sep | helloyo, you need to load the usb-storage module, and also the scsi subsystem modules then mount the usb as a scsi device |
| 08:30.48 | breedx | mrhung: yeah, you gotta do that. ;) hope that was your prob. |
| 08:30.54 | mrhung | breedx: my forcedeth is in there. |
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| 08:31.01 | sep | !tell helloyo about usb-storage |
| 08:31.06 | helloyo | thanks sep |
| 08:31.11 | mrhung | breedx: that's why its loading anyway. |
| 08:31.19 | LarsAC | hello |
| 08:31.34 | LarsAC | someone there to help with package dependencies ? |
| 08:31.42 | Moraiat | okay, so using cfdisk: Delete, New, Primary, ####mb ? |
| 08:31.44 | Muad-Dib | gnome-volume-manager doesnot works fine in debian sarge yet |
| 08:31.46 | streuner | LarsAC: sid? |
| 08:31.50 | mrhung | breedx: I'm sorry... I meant modules.aliases |
| 08:32.02 | Moraiat | is default ext3? |
| 08:32.15 | breedx | mrhung: oh! heh...big difference! |
| 08:32.18 | LarsAC | streuner: sarge |
| 08:32.22 | pmwilson | Moraiat: you can just make it the whole thing (default size) if you only want the one partition |
| 08:32.24 | Tom- | Moraiat: Sounds right. Oh, you don't use a filesystem yet, that comes after cfdisk |
| 08:32.34 | pmwilson | Moraiat: actually, that comes later |
| 08:32.36 | breedx | mrhung: I think *all* modules are in modules.dep |
| 08:32.42 | streuner | LarsAC: make sure all sources are official in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:32.44 | Moraiat | pmwilson: oh...that makes a lot more sense now |
| 08:33.06 | Moraiat | okay |
| 08:33.09 | Moraiat | the disk is all good |
| 08:33.14 | mrhung | breedx: just as soon as network activity is started, the kernel looks in modules.aliases and loads the right module (char-major...). I've got two entries... one fore forcedeth and on for nvnet. DUH |
| 08:33.15 | Moraiat | soo how do i write ext3? |
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| 08:33.22 | pmwilson | Moraiat: so once you're drive is partitioned the way you want it.... select write and type 'yes' to tell it to write this new partition table to the disk |
| 08:33.24 | streuner | LarsAC: if that doesn't help /msg dpkg BTS |
| 08:33.35 | pmwilson | Moraiat: once it's written, you can quit that program |
| 08:33.43 | Moraiat | 'kay :) |
| 08:33.48 | LarsAC | streuner: apt-get policy libperl5.8 tells me, I have 5.8.4-4 from /var/lib/dpkg/status whereas sarge is on 5.8.4-3 |
| 08:33.49 | breedx | mrhung: yeah, I didn't even think of that, I haven't had that file in a long time. ;) |
| 08:33.49 | mrhung | breedx: yep... and what do you know... they're both aliased to all the same devices. |
| 08:34.01 | Muad-Dib | anyone uses gnome-volume-manager in sarge (2.6.7) |
| 08:34.10 | mrhung | breedx: why is that? Something different in sid? |
| 08:34.18 | Moraiat | WroNo primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this.e. |
| 08:34.19 | Moraiat | issue? |
| 08:34.20 | breedx | mrhung: yeah |
| 08:34.27 | streuner | LarsAC: and? |
| 08:34.33 | pmwilson | Moraiat: if you run dmesg|tail you'll see if the partitions were detected/refreshed by the kernel |
| 08:34.38 | streuner | !info perl sarge |
| 08:34.39 | pmwilson | Moraiat: not a problem |
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| 08:34.41 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 08:34.44 | dpkg | perl: (Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language), section perl, is standard. Version: 5.8.4-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 3162 kB, Installed size: 11052 kB |
| 08:34.51 | mrhung | breedx: yep.... always more to learn! ;-) |
| 08:34.53 | helloyo | sep, sorry but how do i load modules? |
| 08:34.57 | LarsAC | streuner: packages like subversion finally depend on 5.8.4-3 but I have -4 |
| 08:35.05 | LarsAC | thus cant install subversion e.g. |
| 08:35.06 | sep | helloyo, modprobe |
| 08:35.11 | pmwilson | Moraiat: if you run dmesg|tail you'll see if the partitions were detected/refreshed by the kernel ... |
| 08:35.18 | helloyo | ok, thanks |
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| 08:35.26 | sep | helloyo, eg modprobe usb-storage |
| 08:35.26 | breedx | mrhung: yeah, my *real* problem is also module related, but perhaps more sinister... |
| 08:35.28 | pmwilson | Moraiat: there should be a mention of an hdg1 |
| 08:35.31 | streuner | LarsAC: ok, /msg dpkg BTS |
| 08:35.37 | helloyo | thanks a lot |
| 08:35.50 | csabo2 | hey , i restarted after installing 2.6.8 , and lilo was corrupt, all i see on my screen is LI , how can i fix or reinstall lilo from within the OS |
| 08:35.54 | mrhung | breedx: he he he sinister modules?!?!?! hmmm.... |
| 08:35.58 | Moraiat | pmwilson: umm...not really no... |
| 08:36.13 | sep | csabo2, boot on cd/rescue floppy, and rerun lilo |
| 08:36.22 | pmwilson | Moraiat: does it mention anything about your drive? |
| 08:36.25 | csabo2 | oh ok , thanks |
| 08:36.30 | eeyore- | does debian's libc support NPTL? |
| 08:36.32 | Moraiat | pmwilson: nope |
| 08:36.44 | streuner | LarsAC. what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
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| 08:36.54 | jm_ | eeyore-: its changelog will tell you |
| 08:37.17 | LarsAC | streuner: 2.3.2.ds1-18 |
| 08:37.19 | eeyore- | looks like /lib/libc is linuxthreads version |
| 08:37.22 | breedx | So something recently has changed that causes ALSA to fail (kinda). After a fresh boot, the alsa modules are loaded, but sound apps won't work. If I unload all modules and then modprobe soundcore, everything magically starts working....any thoughts/hints? |
| 08:37.35 | streuner | LarsAC: ok, look in BTS then. |
| 08:37.36 | breedx | I shoulda mentioned I'm on sid with 2.6.10 |
| 08:37.43 | helloyo | the module sd can't be found, how do i get it? |
| 08:37.45 | eeyore- | uh, /lib/tls |
| 08:37.49 | LarsAC | streuner: sarge is testing, right ? |
| 08:37.58 | streuner | LarsAC: yep |
| 08:38.23 | streuner | helloyo: prolly compiled into kernel itself (custom kernel) |
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| 08:38.40 | LarsAC | streuner: if I remove other repositories and do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade -- could that help ? |
| 08:39.07 | streuner | LarsAC: well, using official sources helps |
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| 08:39.15 | helloyo | streuner, i have the default sarge kernel, but need to load a usb drive, but the module sd can't be found... |
| 08:39.17 | streuner | s/source/sources/ |
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| 08:39.36 | streuner | helloyo: what kernel do you have (uname -a)? |
| 08:40.11 | _ReDRuM_ | hi... my system clock is drifting 20 minutes an hour... help! |
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| 08:40.25 | helloyo | streuner, file:/home/alex/backup/School/Amy/iDCP_0016.JPG |
| 08:40.25 | helloyo | file:/home/alex/backup/School/Amy/iDCP_0009.JPG |
| 08:40.27 | LarsAC | streuner: it seems there is a libperl at 5.8.4-3 but perl-base on which it depends is only at 5.8.4-4 |
| 08:40.28 | simonrvn | @ntpdate |
| 08:40.29 | ravenbird | i guess ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's usefull for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp |
| 08:40.34 | helloyo | streuner, 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 08:40.36 | helloyo | whoops |
| 08:40.37 | _ReDRuM_ | im running ntpdate and ntpd |
| 08:40.38 | simonrvn | @ntp |
| 08:40.39 | ravenbird | methinks ntp is the Network Time Protocol, capable of synchronizing an RTC within 232 picoseconds. or http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/servers.html Try ntp.nmll.csiro.au/ or http://www.ntp.org/ or http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/01/02/ntp.html Also try ntp.mel.nml.CSIRO.AU |
| 08:40.53 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: change your battery |
| 08:40.55 | streuner | helloyo: did you try |
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| 08:41.00 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: which chipset? |
| 08:41.03 | streuner | helloyo: did you try 'modprobe sd'? |
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| 08:41.19 | helloyo | streuner, yeah |
| 08:41.21 | jm_ | simonrvn: changing the batter doesn't always help ;) |
| 08:41.21 | _ReDRuM_ | eeyore dell intel system |
| 08:41.23 | csabo2 | hey , rerun lilo ISNT a command |
| 08:41.28 | helloyo | streuner, sd_mod is loaded already though |
| 08:41.33 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: it's not nforce chipset is it? |
| 08:41.34 | csabo2 | i tried it at the boot menu of the install CD , and i tried it in the bash window |
| 08:41.35 | _ReDRuM_ | what does it matter about the hwclock anyway i thought linux could compensate |
| 08:41.36 | simonrvn | jm_: does on mac ppc ;) |
| 08:41.38 | Phated | csabo2: "lilo" is. |
| 08:41.40 | gerard | hello, i upgraded my debian this morning, and i found an error on package "Frozen Bubble", can anyone help me¿? |
| 08:41.42 | _ReDRuM_ | naah its not nforce, my nforce keeps perfect time lol |
| 08:41.45 | csabo2 | what? |
| 08:41.47 | sep | csabo2, rerun lilo means run 'lilo' again |
| 08:41.54 | csabo2 | yes i know that |
| 08:41.56 | _ReDRuM_ | its my dell thats screwy |
| 08:41.56 | csabo2 | but its not installed |
| 08:41.57 | csabo2 | its fucked up |
| 08:42.01 | Phated | csabo2: "lilo". Type "lilo" and hit enter. |
| 08:42.02 | streuner_ | helloyo: ok, use 'grep SCSI kernel-config' |
| 08:42.02 | _ReDRuM_ | x-ray ntp # cat ntp.drift |
| 08:42.02 | _ReDRuM_ | 0.000 |
| 08:42.06 | _ReDRuM_ | whats that about? |
| 08:42.07 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: that's ironic. nforce has a bunch of problems with clock drift and crashes :-) |
| 08:42.18 | LarsAC | streuner: is there a way to trace which repository has that 5.8.4-4 version ? |
| 08:42.19 | csabo2 | Phated , LILO is broke |
| 08:42.20 | _ReDRuM_ | how can it possibly think i have 0.000 drift |
| 08:42.29 | sep | csabo2, it might not be installed on the media you booted from but it is installed on your system |
| 08:42.29 | csabo2 | im trying to reinstall it |
| 08:42.31 | simonrvn | it's *really* confused |
| 08:42.32 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: ntpq, pe<enter> |
| 08:42.37 | helloyo | streuner, what should i grep? |
| 08:42.42 | csabo2 | ITS BROKEN, SO I DID RESCUE, THUS ITS NOT WORKING |
| 08:42.46 | gerard | hello, i upgraded my debian this morning, and i found an error on package "Frozen Bubble", can anyone help me¿? |
| 08:43.00 | _ReDRuM_ | err... shall i paste that (3 line response)? |
| 08:43.02 | streuner_ | LarsAC: actually there isn't a debian branch which use -4 |
| 08:43.04 | csabo2 | so i was reinstalling it as someone said to run lilo again |
| 08:43.07 | csabo2 | and it didnt run |
| 08:43.17 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: nah, just see if it's actually got a peer |
| 08:43.18 | streuner_ | LarsAC: sid use -5 and sarge -3 |
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| 08:43.19 | simonrvn | csabo2: how do you know it didn't run? |
| 08:43.21 | sep | csabo2, it's broken on your boot partition the program lilo installed on your harddrive is not broken |
| 08:43.21 | _ReDRuM_ | yeh it has two |
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| 08:43.35 | LarsAC | streuner_: cant see it in /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages either |
| 08:43.36 | Phated | csabo2: Yes, and you FIX it by DOING WHAT sep SAID. |
| 08:43.42 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: which one is the default? |
| 08:43.46 | csabo2 | sep how do i get it back on the boot partition? |
| 08:43.51 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: (marked with *) |
| 08:43.55 | sep | csabo2, by running the command 'lilo'' |
| 08:44.02 | csabo2 | where do i run it? |
| 08:44.03 | _ReDRuM_ | server ntp2c.mcc.ac.uk |
| 08:44.05 | csabo2 | im in xterm right now |
| 08:44.12 | streuner_ | LarsAC: are you refering to 'SCSI Disk' support? |
| 08:44.13 | Phated | As root. |
| 08:44.14 | Tom- | Gerard: What error? |
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| 08:44.17 | _ReDRuM_ | oh |
| 08:44.20 | sep | csabo2, i also tend to mount up my system like it should and chroot, to the system but that's not a required |
| 08:44.23 | simonrvn | sudo lilo, or su -; login; lilo -v |
| 08:44.24 | _ReDRuM_ | neither of them are makred with * ? |
| 08:44.27 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: what's the jitter/offset on THAT guy? is it networkologically close to you? |
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| 08:44.40 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: if it's not *, then it's been rejected as "too laggy" by NTP |
| 08:44.41 | _ReDRuM_ | it's 8miliseconds away |
| 08:44.46 | _ReDRuM_ | what lol |
| 08:44.51 | LarsAC | streuner_: as a package you mean ? |
| 08:45.02 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: you syncing to pool.ntp.org? |
| 08:45.06 | sep | uffah |
| 08:45.10 | gerard | Tom: Errors found processing: |
| 08:45.11 | gerard | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.11 | gerard | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 08:45.11 | simonrvn | </plug> |
| 08:45.12 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: try this. shut down ntpd (/etc/init.d/ntpd stop), then resync the clocks (ntpdate ntp2c.mcc.ac.uk), then restart ntpd |
| 08:45.15 | streuner_ | LarsAC: no - that's not packaged, its in kernel or not |
| 08:45.26 | bob2 | Hole broke up? |
| 08:45.28 | _ReDRuM_ | eeyore- i've done that a lot... shall i do ti again? |
| 08:45.31 | LarsAC | streuner: yes, I think I have it in |
| 08:45.37 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: ntpd won't sync properly if your clocks are too far apart to begin with |
| 08:45.42 | streuner_ | LarsAC: don't think, find out |
| 08:45.43 | bob2 | gerard: you'd need to paste the whole error message to #flood |
| 08:45.49 | Tom- | Gerard: That's missing the actual error, do the Install section in dselect (or whatever you're using to install packages) and you should see an error message |
| 08:45.53 | _ReDRuM_ | i synched it an hour ago then left it since the man page said it took an hour to sort itself out |
| 08:45.55 | Tom- | yeah, and use #flood :-) |
| 08:45.59 | simonrvn | you need to set the date time first, then run ntpdate, then start ntpd |
| 08:46.10 | _ReDRuM_ | simon - thats what i have done |
| 08:46.11 | streuner_ | LarsAC: grep SCSI /boot/kernel-config-2.x.x |
| 08:46.14 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 08:46.26 | simonrvn | looks like you need to do it again ;) |
| 08:46.34 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: if you don't see a * next to the name, then that peer has been rejected by some criteria. find another suitable peer. |
| 08:46.34 | gerard | Tom: i'm using apt, i try to dselect this package ;) |
| 08:46.36 | _ReDRuM_ | ive done it like 11 times no joke lol |
| 08:46.43 | LarsAC | streuner_: CONFIG_SCSI=m |
| 08:46.50 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: suggestion: sync to pool.ntp.org |
| 08:46.57 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: are you SURE you're letting UDP/TCP out to that host? |
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| 08:47.06 | _ReDRuM_ | eeyore - im not firewalled |
| 08:47.08 | simonrvn | UDP for NTP proto |
| 08:47.10 | gerard | Tom-: Installing from testing, maybe i solve the problems :s |
| 08:47.11 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: because if you're filtering out udp then ntp is not gonna work |
| 08:47.19 | _ReDRuM_ | theres no filtering |
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| 08:47.30 | Tom- | Gerard: APT is fine. |
| 08:47.32 | _ReDRuM_ | and im 100% certain |
| 08:47.33 | eeyore- | simonrvn: it needs tcp as well for the constant connection, try to block tcp and you'll see it's broken :) |
| 08:47.51 | simonrvn | eeyore-: i get no packet counts on TCP whatsoever |
| 08:48.12 | eeyore- | simonrvn: odd. i know if i blocked tcp then ntpq never syncs :-p |
| 08:48.13 | _ReDRuM_ | the values in that ntpq -p / ntpq <enter> pe are wildly high |
| 08:48.25 | simonrvn | eeyore-: ah, client app |
| 08:48.28 | _ReDRuM_ | yet (this is with a fully saturated line) |
| 08:48.28 | _ReDRuM_ | 64 bytes from utserv.mcc.ac.uk (130.88.200.6): icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=23.0 ms |
| 08:48.30 | simonrvn | that i can see |
| 08:49.12 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: is that a stratum 2 or 3? |
| 08:49.20 | streuner_ | LarsAC: anyway, what's the concrete problem? |
| 08:49.26 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: probably been rejected as unsuitable. you have two choices: (1) find another ntp server closer to you, or (2) put priorities on your outbound packets |
| 08:49.54 | _ReDRuM_ | eeyore - there is priority on minimize delay does ntp set minimize delay? |
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| 08:50.10 | LarsAC | streuner_: still the perl dependency - mixed up a nick ? |
| 08:50.12 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: seriously, put 2 server pool.ntp.org in ntpd.conf, and be happy (tm) |
| 08:50.27 | csabo2 | hey sep i did lilo and did -M and wrote it to boot record int he MBR, and now when i reboot, i get a black screen |
| 08:50.31 | streuner_ | LarsAC: yes... |
| 08:50.35 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: pool.ntp.org finds the closest ntp server to you, and i think it does the job, at least for me |
| 08:50.40 | LarsAC | streuner_: :-) |
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| 08:50.51 | _ReDRuM_ | simon - i really doubt thats going to work it has to be more complicated ill try it if i cant work out why its being moronic |
| 08:50.53 | fpmc | with socks, there's an "internal" addrress and an "external" one? What does the "internal" mean? It says connections will only be accepted at these addresses..... but what should I set it to...? |
| 08:51.01 | simonrvn | (also one less fucking fucked up wonbloze client using the pool ;) |
| 08:51.07 | simonrvn | wi* |
| 08:51.17 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: if your connection is saturated, you really need to prioritize :-) |
| 08:51.22 | csabo2 | i did lilo and did -M and wrote it to boot record int he MBR, and now when i reboot, i get a black screen |
| 08:51.32 | simonrvn | eeyore-: yeh |
| 08:51.41 | LarsAC | okay, have to leave now |
| 08:51.44 | _ReDRuM_ | i do do scholastic fair queuing |
| 08:51.53 | LarsAC | streuner_: thx so far, need to look further for a solution |
| 08:51.53 | eeyore- | stochastic |
| 08:51.54 | _ReDRuM_ | its not a network issue |
| 08:51.57 | _ReDRuM_ | its a config issue |
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| 08:51.58 | _ReDRuM_ | trust me |
| 08:51.58 | streuner_ | LarsAC: np |
| 08:51.59 | simonrvn | schoastic? :) |
| 08:52.06 | simonrvn | st, sorry |
| 08:52.09 | _ReDRuM_ | yeh u knew what i meant :P |
| 08:52.13 | cyberyo | io* |
| 08:52.19 | simonrvn | hi |
| 08:52.27 | csabo2 | any help?? |
| 08:52.51 | csabo2 | Device 0x0340: Inconsistent partition table, 1st entry |
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| 08:52.54 | _ReDRuM_ | ive got a decent connection and nothing im doing on the net seems lagged - its a config issue |
| 08:53.01 | _ReDRuM_ | ill try using the pool you suggested |
| 08:53.06 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: well, lacking a * next to a peer means that peer has been rejected :-) it's as simple as that. |
| 08:53.14 | simonrvn | yup |
| 08:53.18 | csabo2 | ... |
| 08:53.32 | csabo2 | Device 0x0340: Inconsistent partition table, 1st entry <-- after i did lilo.real -M /dev/hda/mbr |
| 08:53.35 | _ReDRuM_ | eeyore - anyway to make it spew out debug so i can find out why? |
| 08:54.03 | simonrvn | with the pool you get a) round robin b) if any in the pool get fucked in some way, they get dropped out of rotation |
| 08:54.06 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: now, it may mean that the *peer* has been rejected because something else seems to have "better" match. if you have a bogus device and THAT one happens to be chosen, oh well |
| 08:54.07 | _ReDRuM_ | hmm looks like the handy dandy -d switch |
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| 08:54.41 | simonrvn | c) no open"ntp"d servers |
| 08:54.44 | gerard | Tom-: apt-get dselect-upgrade is correct¿ |
| 08:54.45 | _ReDRuM_ | eeyore- 2 peers, neither have *'s both have insaanely high numbers for all columns |
| 08:54.50 | simonrvn | (which are really SNTP) |
| 08:55.04 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: here's my output |
| 08:55.04 | _ReDRuM_ | even delay is 12 ms... whats that about |
| 08:55.13 | _ReDRuM_ | or 12 whatever that is |
| 08:55.21 | _ReDRuM_ | seconds probably |
| 08:55.24 | csabo2 | eeyore- |
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| 08:55.41 | Tom- | Gerard: So uhm, have you solved that error? |
| 08:55.41 | csabo2 | ffs |
| 08:56.06 | gerard | Tom-: I didn't solve :s |
| 08:56.18 | csabo2 | is there a way to reinstall and reconfig LILO |
| 08:56.26 | eeyore- | csabo2: eh? |
| 08:56.28 | csabo2 | because this manually editing shit sep told me to do made it worse |
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| 08:56.31 | csabo2 | Device 0x0340: Inconsistent partition table, 1st entry <-- after i did lilo.real -M /dev/hda/mbr |
| 08:56.35 | gerard | Tom-: for dselect frozen-bubble from the upgrade, whats the command exctly¿? |
| 08:56.38 | csabo2 | eeyore- thats the problem |
| 08:56.54 | eeyore- | csabo2: what's /dev/hda/mbr? |
| 08:57.01 | csabo2 | I DONT KNOW it told me too |
| 08:57.02 | Tom- | Gerard: hmm.. I think you're best off just running "apt-get install frozen-bubble" from the command line, and giving me the error message in #flood |
| 08:57.10 | csabo2 | lilo wasnt in the boot record |
| 08:57.12 | csabo2 | so i added it |
| 08:57.15 | csabo2 | and now its even more broke |
| 08:57.19 | csabo2 | i have no fucking clue what im doing |
| 08:57.20 | eeyore- | csabo2: what were you trying to fix? |
| 08:57.28 | csabo2 | a piece of shit app |
| 08:57.31 | csabo2 | i dont know what its doing |
| 08:57.34 | csabo2 | lilo doesnt boot |
| 08:57.36 | csabo2 | when i restart |
| 08:57.42 | csabo2 | Device 0x0340: Inconsistent partition table, 1st entry <-- after i did lilo.real -M /dev/hda/mbr |
| 08:57.42 | eeyore- | csabo2: (1) calm down |
| 08:57.52 | csabo2 | read what i said it gives you the problem im having |
| 08:57.54 | csabo2 | i just dont know what it is |
| 08:57.54 | gerard | Tom-: Ok, give me one moment ;) |
| 08:57.58 | eeyore- | csabo2: (2) stop repeating (since it seems meaningless, you probably copied it wrong anyway) |
| 08:58.07 | csabo2 | its copy and paste |
| 08:58.12 | csabo2 | so i hope linux didnt screw that up too |
| 08:58.15 | eeyore- | csabo2: (3) let's take several steps back. what were you trying to fix. |
| 08:58.19 | csabo2 | ok |
| 08:58.21 | _ReDRuM_ | ok before i restart ntpd with pool.ntp.org .... is there something wrong with how i've set up restrictions? |
| 08:58.21 | csabo2 | when i turn on my pc |
| 08:58.28 | jcigar | csabo2: (4) Install grub :p |
| 08:58.28 | csabo2 | after installing 2.6.89 |
| 08:58.30 | _ReDRuM_ | restrict ntp2c.mcc.ac.uk noquery modify notrap |
| 08:58.31 | csabo2 | -9 * |
| 08:58.35 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: what are they? |
| 08:58.43 | csabo2 | i restarted and lilo was gone |
| 08:58.43 | _ReDRuM_ | er nomodify |
| 08:58.51 | csabo2 | instead i had "LI" in the riht hand corner |
| 08:58.51 | _ReDRuM_ | sorry i was half way through editing it :P |
| 08:58.53 | eeyore- | csabo2: stop |
| 08:58.53 | csabo2 | and that was it |
| 08:58.58 | eeyore- | csabo2: stop right there |
| 08:59.06 | csabo2 | install grub then? lol |
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| 08:59.08 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: um, if you wanna sync to it, you do want modify |
| 08:59.21 | eeyore- | csabo2: you do know that lilo is not a very smart boot loader. right? EVERY time you install a new kernel, you had to re-run /sbin/lilo command |
| 08:59.23 | _ReDRuM_ | i thought trust was for time synching |
| 08:59.27 | eeyore- | csabo2: do you know the reason why? |
| 08:59.28 | _ReDRuM_ | and modify for something else |
| 08:59.30 | simonrvn | and maybe turn that noquery off |
| 08:59.32 | csabo2 | no clue |
| 08:59.41 | _ReDRuM_ | noquery is for inbound queries |
| 08:59.42 | csabo2 | may i remove it and install grub then? |
| 08:59.44 | _ReDRuM_ | but why not... |
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| 08:59.59 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: server ntp1.cmc.ec.gc.ca iburst |
| 09:00.03 | simonrvn | for example |
| 09:00.12 | _ReDRuM_ | lets give it a whirl :) i dont want iburst i have a constant connection iburst is for dialup |
| 09:00.18 | _ReDRuM_ | (done a lot of googling today) |
| 09:00.23 | eeyore- | csabo2: lilo hard-codes the physical location of the kernel into the boot sector. now, if you installed a new kernel, it's going to reside on a different location on disk. you did that. probably didn't re-run /sbin/lilo. lilo got confused. can't find the kernel. died. makes sense? |
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| 09:00.36 | csabo2 | yes sir |
| 09:00.44 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: not only. it also sends a smaller amount of pakcets to do the syncing, it's less harsh than burst |
| 09:01.00 | simonrvn | twiki.ntp.org |
| 09:01.20 | eeyore- | csabo2: now, for the solution. you (a) boot into a working environment, chroot to your existing / partition and re-run lilo, or (b) use grub and hope to hell you can find the right kernel (doubtful). i'd go with (a) |
| 09:01.27 | _ReDRuM_ | ive got 2mibt surely should be ok |
| 09:01.33 | csabo2 | i dont know what either mean |
| 09:01.36 | csabo2 | im new to linux |
| 09:01.41 | csabo2 | i put in the install CD |
| 09:01.45 | csabo2 | and did rescue root= |
| 09:01.46 | _ReDRuM_ | anyways *restarts ntpd without restrictions and holds breath* |
| 09:01.47 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: it's mostly consideration for the server end ;) |
| 09:01.49 | eeyore- | csabo2: that works |
| 09:01.50 | csabo2 | so |
| 09:01.52 | csabo2 | from in here |
| 09:01.59 | csabo2 | how do i get it so i have a boot loader again? |
| 09:02.01 | eeyore- | csabo2: get me a working shell and i'll go from there |
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| 09:02.13 | sfrong | is it possible to use airsnort with ndiswrapper? |
| 09:02.16 | csabo2 | how do i add user accounts again |
| 09:02.26 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: ok. let it settale for a good 5 minutes, and see ntpq -n; pe |
| 09:02.27 | streuner_ | adduser 'user' |
| 09:02.31 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: settle* |
| 09:02.31 | eeyore- | csabo2: no, i don't mean get *me* a shell. are you in a working root shell now? |
| 09:02.37 | csabo2 | oh rofl |
| 09:02.38 | csabo2 | yea |
| 09:02.39 | csabo2 | im in root |
| 09:02.41 | eeyore- | csabo2: i don't want to fix your problems for you |
| 09:02.46 | csabo2 | oh ok |
| 09:02.55 | csabo2 | im in root |
| 09:02.56 | eeyore- | csabo2: is your "normal /" mounted? |
| 09:03.02 | csabo2 | i dont know |
| 09:03.04 | csabo2 | i hope? |
| 09:03.08 | csabo2 | i have one / and a swap thats it |
| 09:03.09 | csabo2 | so i hope |
| 09:03.17 | eeyore- | csabo2: what's your / on? which partition? |
| 09:03.24 | csabo2 | hda1 |
| 09:03.25 | _ReDRuM_ | simon - cool... i added pool.ntp.org as another option too so maybe that'll help |
| 09:03.34 | _ReDRuM_ | and removed all restrictions on the servers |
| 09:03.34 | eeyore- | csabo2: mount, and look for where /dev/hda1 is mounted |
| 09:03.42 | csabo2 | i dont know how to mount |
| 09:03.43 | csabo2 | =\ |
| 09:03.53 | eeyore- | csabo2: type in "mount", press enter |
| 09:04.01 | csabo2 | oh |
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| 09:04.14 | _ReDRuM_ | ntpq -p at the moment reads (delay and offest) 43.943 -290.70 |
| 09:04.18 | _ReDRuM_ | ...! |
| 09:04.24 | eeyore- | _ReDRuM_: that's fucked :) |
| 09:04.27 | gerard | Tom-: I'm on #flood |
| 09:04.33 | csabo2 | dev/hda1 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 09:04.36 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: that's really fucked |
| 09:04.40 | _ReDRuM_ | theres something seriously wrong with my ntp lol |
| 09:04.46 | _ReDRuM_ | i think im gunna recompile it |
| 09:04.50 | eeyore- | csabo2: in that case, just type in "lilo", press enter |
| 09:05.00 | csabo2 | ok , did that |
| 09:05.06 | eeyore- | csabo2: any complaints? |
| 09:05.13 | csabo2 | yes |
| 09:05.16 | csabo2 | the one i gave b4 |
| 09:05.19 | csabo2 | Fatal: Either FIX-TABLE or IGNORE-TABLE must be specified |
| 09:05.33 | csabo2 | Device 0x0340: Inconsistent partition table, 1st entry |
| 09:05.36 | eeyore- | csabo2: how about "fdisk -l /dev/hda"? show me output in /query eeyore- |
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| 09:05.45 | simonrvn | i assume his partition table is weirded out |
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| 09:06.14 | streuner_ | that would make sense then... |
| 09:06.17 | csabo2 | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7294 cylinders |
| 09:06.17 | csabo2 | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 09:06.17 | csabo2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.30 | csabo2 | i hate bitchx |
| 09:06.32 | eeyore- | shit, i "emerge glibc" with the wrong USE flag. i meant to set "nptl" but i typed in "ntpl" :-p |
| 09:06.42 | Mage_ | csabo2: do apt-get install grub ; grub-install /dev/hda ; update-grub |
| 09:06.56 | simonrvn | eeyore-: you gentoobie :P |
| 09:07.23 | streuner_ | Mage_: with a missing partition table? |
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| 09:07.51 | eeyore- | csabo2: looks fine |
| 09:07.57 | Mage_ | why not in MBR ? |
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| 09:08.03 | csabo2 | omfg |
| 09:08.12 | csabo2 | linux is only free if your time is worthless |
| 09:08.14 | csabo2 | i swear its true |
| 09:08.21 | eeyore- | csabo2: wait one sec |
| 09:09.05 | eeyore- | csabo2: no, looks wrong |
| 09:09.06 | csabo2 | well thats what it gave me |
| 09:09.06 | csabo2 | i took off the first / on dev |
| 09:09.06 | eeyore- | csabo2: 1-608 cylinders ... hmm |
| 09:09.06 | csabo2 | because it was trying to run as a cmd |
| 09:09.28 | Mage_ | and with lilo -M /dev/hda ? |
| 09:09.37 | csabo2 | i did that |
| 09:09.38 | csabo2 | it broke it more |
| 09:09.43 | csabo2 | now i dont get anything when i boot |
| 09:09.45 | _ReDRuM_ | simon - just to add insult to injury my windows boxen synch just fine |
| 09:09.54 | Mage_ | and lilo -P fix ? |
| 09:10.12 | eeyore- | csabo2: is your / using the full 60GB (or nearly) capacity of the drive? that's 4883728 blocks ... hmm, mine is 1 - 7295 for my 60GB drive with the same geometry as yours |
| 09:10.25 | csabo2 | no |
| 09:10.29 | csabo2 | its only a 4GB partition |
| 09:10.32 | csabo2 | 4 or 5 |
| 09:10.36 | csabo2 | im installing XP on here later |
| 09:10.41 | csabo2 | as i need somthing that works |
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| 09:10.56 | Mage_ | csabo2: try liloconfig |
| 09:10.56 | csabo2 | mage_ Device 0x0340: Inconsistent partition table, 1st entry |
| 09:10.56 | csabo2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.56 | csabo2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.56 | csabo2 | Writing modified partition table to device 0x0340 |
| 09:10.56 | csabo2 | Fatal: Can't get magic number of /dev/hdb1 |
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| 09:10.58 | eeyore- | csabo2: ok. well, actually you should install XP first since XP will wipe out lilo/grub anyhow |
| 09:11.08 | csabo2 | eeyore- dont worry bout that |
| 09:11.14 | csabo2 | if this crap works i wont use xp |
| 09:11.16 | _ReDRuM_ | i just had a thought... maybe those ntp delay and whatnot values are so wrong becuase my clocks already so wrong |
| 09:11.20 | csabo2 | but linux has never worked right for me |
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| 09:11.25 | csabo2 | so i dont give it my whole HD |
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| 09:11.31 | eeyore- | csabo2: here's what i would do. i'd fdisk /dev/hda, then "w" the partition table to disk again |
| 09:11.40 | csabo2 | what the hell does that mean? |
| 09:11.41 | csabo2 | format? |
| 09:11.42 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: yes, you need to fix that first |
| 09:11.43 | csabo2 | as in reinstall |
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| 09:11.45 | csabo2 | fuck that |
| 09:11.51 | csabo2 | this took 2 hours to download upgrade and install |
| 09:11.59 | eeyore- | csabo2: csabo: no, you're not listening |
| 09:12.01 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: otherwise ntpd will take a *LONG* time to drift into sync |
| 09:12.24 | csabo2 | no its i dont speak linux talk |
| 09:12.24 | mage | hmm |
| 09:12.24 | csabo2 | i dont know what "w" means |
| 09:12.24 | _ReDRuM_ | simonrvn - funny thing is - if i switch the machine off it keeps pretty reasonable time |
| 09:12.24 | csabo2 | that doesnt mean anything but forward to me |
| 09:12.25 | mage | i wonder what set off my highlight |
| 09:12.26 | eeyore- | csabo2: as long as you didn't *change* any partition information, you're just writing the same data to disk and hopefully you write the backup partition table too |
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| 09:12.29 | streuner_ | (w)rite |
| 09:12.37 | csabo2 | so do what |
| 09:12.47 | simonrvn | _ReDRuM_: strange |
| 09:12.53 | eeyore- | csabo2: so you are essentially writing a (hopefully valid) partition table back to disk, to be sure |
| 09:12.58 | csabo2 | I dont get it |
| 09:13.01 | csabo2 | can i do that from within the OS/ |
| 09:13.09 | simonrvn | yes... |
| 09:13.11 | eeyore- | csabo2: sure |
| 09:13.19 | csabo2 | ok so type fdisk /dev/hda |
| 09:13.21 | csabo2 | then what? |
| 09:13.29 | eeyore- | csabo2: then "w" |
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| 09:13.41 | csabo2 | ah |
| 09:13.44 | csabo2 | ok whats it doing |
| 09:13.46 | csabo2 | or what did it do |
| 09:13.53 | csabo2 | aah |
| 09:13.54 | eeyore- | csabo2: write the same partition table back out to disk |
| 09:13.59 | csabo2 | ok |
| 09:14.02 | csabo2 | now when i reboot |
| 09:14.04 | csabo2 | i "should" |
| 09:14.04 | eeyore- | csabo2: now run "/sbin/lilo" again, does it still complain? |
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| 09:14.28 | csabo2 | WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy. |
| 09:14.39 | csabo2 | Fatal: Can't get magic number of /dev/hdb1 |
| 09:14.42 | csabo2 | =\ |
| 09:14.47 | csabo2 | hdb1 isnt even there |
| 09:14.48 | eeyore- | csabo2: ok, probably because your rescue environment. |
| 09:14.53 | csabo2 | ok |
| 09:14.56 | csabo2 | so when i restart |
| 09:14.58 | eeyore- | csabo2: try rebooting |
| 09:15.03 | csabo2 | i "should" have a working booter |
| 09:15.06 | csabo2 | ok brb lol |
| 09:15.07 | deadcat__ | anyone uses the $HOME/.hosts file HOSTFILE=$HOME/.hosts ? it doesnt seem to work for me. |
| 09:15.08 | csabo2 | thanks |
| 09:15.23 | Tom- | Eeyore: Perhaps his /dev/hdb1 file does not exist? |
| 09:15.33 | eeyore- | deadcat__: what does it do? |
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| 09:17.13 | saintiss | hi |
| 09:17.15 | saintiss | is there a decent shoutcast player apart from xmms which can handle arts? |
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| 09:19.43 | StM2 | hello |
| 09:19.45 | csabo2 | ok eeyore- that didnt work |
| 09:19.50 | csabo2 | My screen is still black when i reboot |
| 09:20.04 | eeyore- | csabo2: did lilo load? |
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| 09:20.08 | csabo2 | no |
| 09:20.09 | eeyore- | csabo2: btw, lilo != linux |
| 09:20.10 | deadcat__ | eeyore-: for bash completion. say ssh dece<tab> it will complete december for me since december is in the .hosts file |
| 09:20.12 | csabo2 | thus the black screen... |
| 09:20.13 | saintiss | is there a decent shoutcast player apart from xmms which can handle arts? |
| 09:20.25 | csabo2 | eeyore- English with me please |
| 09:20.31 | csabo2 | !54324343 lilo x56w4323 |
| 09:20.35 | csabo2 | doesnt mean anything to me , im sorry |
| 09:20.40 | eeyore- | csabo2: try to recall. what did you do when you tried to fix this rather simple problem? |
| 09:20.52 | csabo2 | what someone here told me to |
| 09:20.54 | csabo2 | i went into lilo |
| 09:20.55 | csabo2 | and did |
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| 09:20.57 | linux2 | hi |
| 09:20.59 | StM2 | know somebody why debian doesn't support my network cart |
| 09:21.03 | csabo2 | lilo.real -M /dev/hda/mbr |
| 09:21.06 | csabo2 | and it said it wrote it |
| 09:21.07 | eeyore- | csabo2: you got frustrated and said linux is free if your time is worthless, and i said that your problem is with lilo, not linux |
| 09:21.16 | hanoi_pm | is there any tool to test speed of apt sources? I've heard of a bittorrent based apt-get, how can I get it? |
| 09:21.17 | linux2 | what debian version should i download |
| 09:21.18 | streuner_ | StM2: because debian hates you? |
| 09:21.20 | csabo2 | funny they came on the same CD |
| 09:21.25 | csabo2 | Fine can i remove lilo |
| 09:21.26 | csabo2 | this shit sucks |
| 09:21.29 | DerJamster | hanoi_pm: there's a tool..wait a sec. |
| 09:21.29 | linux2 | i have woody but it installs old packages |
| 09:21.30 | csabo2 | and can i install grub |
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| 09:21.37 | streuner_ | StM2: what NIC do you have? |
| 09:21.38 | eeyore- | csabo2: i'm not sure that that is supposed to have done, really. /dev/hda/mbr doesn't make sense |
| 09:21.44 | csabo2 | yea i know |
| 09:21.48 | csabo2 | but some jerkoff told me too |
| 09:21.49 | csabo2 | so i did |
| 09:21.51 | csabo2 | hmm |
| 09:21.52 | hanoi_pm | DerJamster: oh thank you, I'm waiting :) |
| 09:21.55 | StM2 | chipset via 6105 |
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| 09:21.59 | DerJamster | hanoi_pm: apt-spy |
| 09:22.05 | DerJamster | gnope applet though :/ |
| 09:22.14 | streuner_ | StM2: Is the NIC supported at all? |
| 09:22.14 | eeyore- | csabo2: grub is more sane, though might seem intimidating at first |
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| 09:22.28 | csabo2 | eeyore- well it cant be any worse than this shit |
| 09:22.31 | eeyore- | csabo2: remove lilo, install grub, and i'll give you the config file |
| 09:22.39 | csabo2 | um ok thank you |
| 09:22.58 | hanoi_pm | DerJamster: thanks a lot, I'm downloading it :> |
| 09:23.00 | StM2 | when i try to load a network driver by the installation he chrashed |
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| 09:23.23 | streuner_ | StM2: did you install via d-i? |
| 09:23.33 | StM2 | ik install with cd's |
| 09:23.38 | StM2 | ik -> i |
| 09:23.51 | StM2 | completly distro |
| 09:23.52 | streuner_ | StM2: so you have all 7 CD's? |
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| 09:24.02 | StM2 | all 7 cd's yes |
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| 09:24.14 | csabo2 | lmao |
| 09:24.19 | csabo2 | u have 7 debby cds? |
| 09:24.24 | StM2 | yes |
| 09:24.28 | csabo2 | rofl why ? |
| 09:24.33 | csabo2 | u only need one man |
| 09:24.33 | streuner_ | StM2: find out, is the NIC supported or not (groups.google.com) and use d-i (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 09:24.41 | ChristianP | hi all |
| 09:24.54 | eeyore- | csabo2: you don't need any |
| 09:24.58 | StM2 | me = linux noob. wat is d-i |
| 09:25.04 | Tom- | You never know when you want Debian on a machine with only dialup Internet access :-) |
| 09:25.04 | ChristianP | does anyone know an utility to monitor gprs signal? |
| 09:25.10 | streuner_ | !tell StM2 about d-i |
| 09:25.20 | csabo2 | eeyore- true |
| 09:25.30 | csabo2 | eeyore- how will you give me a config? |
| 09:25.35 | csabo2 | im on bitchx i dont know how DCC works |
| 09:25.46 | eeyore- | csabo2: it's just a plain text file, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:25.47 | streuner_ | StM2: the new debian-installer, using 2.4.x and 2.6.x kernels with many features |
| 09:25.53 | StM2 | k |
| 09:25.54 | Tom- | I think it's /dcc get eeyore- |
| 09:25.55 | csabo2 | yea but if you send it how will i know |
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| 09:26.12 | csabo2 | rofl |
| 09:26.17 | csabo2 | it added you to ignore |
| 09:26.28 | csabo2 | ther we go |
| 09:26.30 | csabo2 | wait no |
| 09:26.35 | csabo2 | eeyore- ? |
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| 09:26.43 | csabo2 | can you email it =\ |
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| 09:26.46 | csabo2 | csabo2@gmail.com |
| 09:26.57 | csabo2 | how can i install debian with no cds |
| 09:27.10 | csabo2 | or is there some like 10mb cd that is just a loader ? |
| 09:27.15 | streuner_ | Rube Goldberg? |
| 09:27.17 | csabo2 | cause i need to get a sarge CD |
| 09:27.26 | streuner_ | !rube goldberg install |
| 09:27.26 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 09:27.38 | csabo2 | haha |
| 09:27.49 | iceman | lol |
| 09:27.50 | streuner_ | floppies |
| 09:28.01 | eeyore- | usb keychain |
| 09:28.07 | eeyore- | some of them are bootable |
| 09:28.12 | Tom- | Csabo: I think you only need two floppies if it's a common network driver |
| 09:28.19 | csabo2 | i dont have a floppy drive |
| 09:28.25 | csabo2 | =\ |
| 09:28.26 | iceman | use a netinstall cd |
| 09:28.34 | csabo2 | where can i get one |
| 09:28.36 | Tom- | Csabo: But that was just hypothetical... I don't think you need to reinstall |
| 09:28.37 | eeyore- | or, ide<->compactflash converter |
| 09:28.52 | iceman | csabo2: there are links on the debian home page |
| 09:29.20 | eeyore- | you never know when an ide/compactflash converter might come in handy. i have one in my car :-) |
| 09:29.42 | csabo2 | lol |
| 09:29.49 | csabo2 | eeyore- did you email the grub conf? |
| 09:29.57 | eeyore- | csabo2: no, one sec |
| 09:30.09 | csabo2 | oh ok |
| 09:30.16 | eeyore- | csabo2: this is my gentoo laptop, don't exactly have all the comforts :) one sec |
| 09:30.22 | csabo2 | lol gotcha |
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| 09:31.02 | mage | go ide to cf adaptors |
| 09:31.08 | csabo2 | oh whats the best working CD burner for linux? |
| 09:31.21 | achille | k3b |
| 09:31.21 | mage | cdrecord? k3b? |
| 09:31.30 | csabo2 | is it pretty config free? |
| 09:31.50 | eeyore- | oh haha, i am blocking smtp outbounds :-p |
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| 09:32.03 | csabo2 | lol |
| 09:32.16 | Tom- | k3b looks really nice, but it uses cdrecord in the background like everything else |
| 09:32.35 | Tom- | I never create ISO images, which is the hard part, and where frontends are most useful |
| 09:32.46 | Tom- | cdrecord dev=1,0,0 -tao -eject foo.iso |
| 09:33.03 | csabo2 | ah |
| 09:33.06 | csabo2 | i allready have the ISO |
| 09:33.18 | csabo2 | i want to give up windows but theres a few things i dont think will work right |
| 09:33.22 | csabo2 | like my 9800 pro |
| 09:33.26 | csabo2 | i can use VESA but thats it |
| 09:33.31 | csabo2 | i need drivers , i want to play quake 3 |
| 09:33.37 | streuner_ | cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 speed=8 driveropts=burnfree /tmp/pr0n.iso |
| 09:33.58 | sep | csabo2, you can get driver for linux also |
| 09:33.59 | deadcat | (= |
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| 09:34.00 | Tom- | Radeon? Those work for me |
| 09:34.15 | iceman | deadcat: hi, hows it hangin? |
| 09:34.18 | streuner_ | csabo2: in order to get the 9800 to work you need prolly the drivers from ATI website. |
| 09:34.19 | csabo2 | yea it works, but the performance is HORRID |
| 09:34.39 | deadcat | iceman: not bad, not bad.. |
| 09:34.40 | csabo2 | streuner_ i tried , it fucked up my x11 |
| 09:34.41 | deadcat | (= |
| 09:34.41 | Tom- | Csabo: as in .2 frame/s? it's probably not configured correctly |
| 09:34.48 | csabo2 | yea lol |
| 09:34.52 | csabo2 | i know its my fualt |
| 09:34.56 | csabo2 | i just dont know how to config it |
| 09:34.56 | Tom- | Csabo: Linux GL can get sticky |
| 09:35.02 | Tom- | "fault" isn't an issue, we're all on the same side |
| 09:35.12 | deadcat | listening to chris rock - never scared.. AGAIN! hahah |
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| 09:35.21 | csabo2 | yea audio is prolly not gonna work for me |
| 09:35.42 | Tom- | Csabo: It may be all that needs to be done is two lines added to /etc/modules ... but wait until your system boots before you tackle this :-) |
| 09:35.49 | csabo2 | Yea |
| 09:36.02 | csabo2 | see i had Xp and i formatted the wrong HD and lose 200GB of mp3 and avi's |
| 09:36.03 | iceman | I like chris rock's ideas about bullet control :) |
| 09:36.04 | eeyore- | csabo2: hmm, i can't send mail to your gmail's MX. connection timed out to google's MX's |
| 09:36.13 | csabo2 | aftert crying, i fdisked xp |
| 09:36.21 | deadcat | csabo2: avi's as in pron? |
| 09:36.22 | csabo2 | eeyore- try nofx_neo_fsk@hotmail.com |
| 09:36.23 | eeyore- | csabo2: i'm not blocking anything, and my isp doesn't seem to block arbitrarily. oh well |
| 09:36.27 | csabo2 | no , as in movies |
| 09:36.31 | deadcat | right |
| 09:36.33 | deadcat | (= |
| 09:36.40 | csabo2 | nah my porn is svcd |
| 09:36.43 | csabo2 | its in the living room |
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| 09:36.48 | csabo2 | lol |
| 09:36.50 | iceman | you gotta have the quality |
| 09:36.58 | deadcat | csabo2: ah. no more vhs eh(= |
| 09:37.01 | csabo2 | its not an anal shot without high res |
| 09:37.05 | csabo2 | so i say |
| 09:37.06 | iceman | make the stuff look right |
| 09:37.09 | csabo2 | lo |
| 09:37.20 | Tom- | ugh |
| 09:37.21 | csabo2 | linux makes baby jesus cry |
| 09:37.31 | jasonf | !troll |
| 09:37.31 | dpkg | [troll] a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html |
| 09:37.36 | csabo2 | eeyore- if the hotmail doesnt work, try csabo2@stfunoob.com |
| 09:37.42 | csabo2 | jasonf go fuck yourself |
| 09:37.50 | csabo2 | if that dont work either |
| 09:37.55 | csabo2 | then ill kick my pc a few times |
| 09:38.03 | streuner_ | hotmail works good, even for mail-server with dynamic IP's... |
| 09:38.06 | jasonf | csabo2: just thought you might need that definition. |
| 09:38.16 | csabo2 | you need one too |
| 09:38.23 | eeyore- | csabo2: hmm. odd. maybe Cox *does* filter out port 25 to popular servers |
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| 09:38.30 | csabo2 | why would they? |
| 09:38.37 | csabo2 | how can i enable dcc on this |
| 09:38.38 | iceman | stop being so stuck up, csabo2 is funny, leave him be |
| 09:38.41 | eeyore- | csabo2: i'll have to check with cox, but looks like they are fighting back on spams originating from their machines |
| 09:38.44 | csabo2 | i know ill get xchat |
| 09:38.50 | csabo2 | can you dcc? |
| 09:38.56 | pngwn | iceman, he ain't funny |
| 09:38.59 | streuner_ | iceman: yeah, great fun :-) |
| 09:39.14 | eeyore- | csabo2: just type the thing in by hand already, or /set bitchx to no blacklist |
| 09:39.15 | Tom- | Eeyore: I'll relay the file |
| 09:39.23 | csabo2 | how do i do that? |
| 09:39.29 | Tom- | Eeyore: Send it to me via http://em.ca/~tomg/contact/http.html |
| 09:39.29 | csabo2 | i dont know anything about bitchx |
| 09:39.31 | eeyore- | csabo2: /set noautosomethingsomething |
| 09:39.39 | csabo2 | lol |
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| 09:39.42 | csabo2 | that doesnt help |
| 09:40.13 | iceman | everyone uses irssi, it's supposed to be better |
| 09:40.40 | iceman | he'll install workbench |
| 09:40.45 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 09:41.10 | eeyore- | workbench! |
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| 09:41.21 | eeyore- | aaaaargh. the horrors! |
| 09:41.25 | csabo2 | there we go |
| 09:41.26 | csabo2 | lol |
| 09:41.30 | fuison\a | would cp -R /tmp/foo/* / do the same thing as cp -R /tmp/foo/ * / ? |
| 09:41.30 | csabo2 | xchat'ed |
| 09:41.53 | csabo2 | try dccing it |
| 09:41.55 | csabo2 | or pm |
| 09:41.55 | eeyore- | fuison\a: of course not |
| 09:41.57 | csabo2 | which ever |
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| 09:42.14 | fuison\a | whats the diff? one makes it "hang" |
| 09:42.23 | fuison\a | and no there isnt a lot of stuff... |
| 09:42.24 | eeyore- | fuison\a: /tmp/foo/* = all files/subdirectories under /tmp/foo, /tmp/foo * = /tmp/foo and all files/directories in *current* directory |
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| 09:42.39 | iceman | fuison\a: the second copies the dir /tmp/foo _and_ all files in the current directory to / |
| 09:42.50 | iceman | oh, sorry for repeating.. |
| 09:42.57 | csabo2 | great |
| 09:43.04 | fuison\a | Ohhh okay |
| 09:43.15 | fuison\a | well thats splendid.. it tried to copy ~26GB |
| 09:43.16 | fuison\a | lol |
| 09:43.30 | iceman | haha |
| 09:43.37 | csabo2 | where does that go eeyore- |
| 09:43.45 | eeyore- | fuison\a: not "it", you! |
| 09:43.50 | csabo2 | and where the hel did it download too lmao |
| 09:43.56 | eeyore- | csabo2: find ~ -name menu.lst |
| 09:43.58 | fuison\a | I was only following an install manual :) |
| 09:44.53 | csabo2 | didnt find it.. |
| 09:45.24 | eeyore- | csabo2: ask someone, will ya? :-) most people here knows how to set up grub. i'm gonna go grab some shut-eye. |
| 09:45.30 | eeyore- | csabo2: good luck |
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| 09:46.07 | csabo2 | where does xchat download stuff too |
| 09:46.49 | iceman | read the fucking manual man |
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| 09:46.53 | csabo2 | fuck you |
| 09:47.01 | csabo2 | im tired of reading 3 pages for every thing |
| 09:47.01 | streuner_ | csabo2: /home/$USER/xchat/somewhere |
| 09:47.07 | csabo2 | thank you struener |
| 09:47.18 | csabo2 | if the developers spent this much time making it |
| 09:47.19 | iceman | you will not like linux then |
| 09:47.23 | csabo2 | what is 20min to make it usable |
| 09:47.35 | csabo2 | what fucking retard decided to do it this way |
| 09:47.35 | iceman | If reading three pages makes you tired :) |
| 09:47.45 | csabo2 | if i want to burn a cd or find a file |
| 09:47.48 | csabo2 | i shouldnt have to read 3 pages |
| 09:47.54 | csabo2 | there isnt 3 pages of code to make that work |
| 09:47.58 | csabo2 | thats completely stupid |
| 09:48.23 | streuner_ | csabo2: to find files 'apt-get install locate' |
| 09:48.56 | streuner_ | csabo2: you use 'updatedb' then and use 'locate foo' |
| 09:48.57 | Tom- | wait wait wait |
| 09:49.03 | Tom- | locate is part of another package |
| 09:49.08 | csabo2 | lol |
| 09:49.10 | csabo2 | tom- |
| 09:49.13 | csabo2 | where does xchat save files too |
| 09:49.18 | Tom- | hang on |
| 09:49.20 | streuner_ | !find locate |
| 09:49.20 | csabo2 | and where is grubs config |
| 09:49.21 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'locate' (3 shown): dlocate ;; libapache-mod-relocate ;; slocate. |
| 09:49.24 | csabo2 | thats all i need to know |
| 09:49.27 | csabo2 | thoes 2 things |
| 09:49.31 | Tom- | /home/tomg/.xchat2/downloads |
| 09:49.36 | Tom- | adjust for your home directory :-) |
| 09:49.37 | csabo2 | i dont wanna read anymore right now ive been reading for 4 hours |
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| 09:50.01 | csabo2 | in /home/csabo2 thers only one folder |
| 09:50.02 | csabo2 | lol |
| 09:50.05 | csabo2 | its desktop |
| 09:50.06 | streuner_ | csabo2: you'll need to fix one problem first, before you go to another |
| 09:50.11 | Guerin | csabo2: ls -la ~ |
| 09:50.16 | csabo2 | do what? |
| 09:50.16 | Tom- | Csabo: I don't have a problem with that. I'm willing to help people not have to RTFM ... at least until they're not going to switch back to Windows |
| 09:50.41 | csabo2 | i actually have suse 8.2 pro dvd sitting here |
| 09:50.45 | csabo2 | if this doesnt work out tonight |
| 09:50.46 | Guerin | csabo2: and it's tough shit if you don't want to read any more - you're not going to get much more than insults on a silver platter in #debian |
| 09:50.56 | redmar | does somebody have a compaq proliant server with debian? |
| 09:50.58 | Guerin | csabo2: you think we care? |
| 09:50.59 | streuner_ | csabo2: we aren't care |
| 09:51.05 | Guerin | redmar: someone does. |
| 09:51.08 | StM2 | yeah my nic works now good :D |
| 09:51.19 | StM2 | thanks streuner_ |
| 09:51.21 | csabo2 | tom theres only desktop folder |
| 09:51.25 | streuner_ | StM2: how did you fix it? |
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| 09:51.30 | Guerin | csabo2: bullshit |
| 09:51.36 | Guerin | csabo2: do what I told you |
| 09:51.38 | StM2 | debian sparke |
| 09:51.42 | Guerin | csabo2: you fucking idiot |
| 09:51.46 | csabo2 | you didnt tell me to do anything kid |
| 09:51.47 | StM2 | the new version work good with hem |
| 09:51.50 | csabo2 | you said -ls -dfakdsjfldksafja |
| 09:51.52 | Tom- | Csabo: Put Guerin on ignore and listen to me :-) |
| 09:51.56 | streuner_ | ic |
| 09:51.56 | csabo2 | like that means anything to a human |
| 09:51.58 | Guerin | 18:48:10 < Guerin> csabo2: ls -la ~ |
| 09:51.59 | csabo2 | i am |
| 09:52.11 | jm_ | that's why I stopped helping him about 3 hours ago ;) |
| 09:52.18 | bob2 | lordy |
| 09:52.28 | iceman | hehe |
| 09:52.34 | bob2 | csabo2: don't threaten people, the only perso nyou hurt by using suse is you |
| 09:52.39 | simonrvn | actually i suggest /ig csabo2 since he's been in here for hours and doesn't listen to anyone instead of trying to learn |
| 09:52.49 | jm_ | quite |
| 09:52.52 | streuner_ | csabo2: you don't learn what people learned in years just in 4 hours... |
| 09:53.11 | Tom- | Csabo: You want to copy this file to to what, /etc/grub/ or something? |
| 09:53.24 | csabo2 | im not really sure, i dont understand this filesystem yet |
| 09:53.31 | csabo2 | way too many folders for my cup of tea :P |
| 09:53.41 | csabo2 | i know that i have a config file i need to replace in grub |
| 09:53.45 | csabo2 | as to where its located i dont know |
| 09:53.48 | Guerin | !tell csabo2 about fundamentals |
| 09:53.58 | Guerin | csabo2: what config file is that? |
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| 09:54.19 | bob2 | why would you need to replace one of grub's config files? |
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| 09:54.28 | rick2004 | any idea whether latest xfree86 (4.3.0) supports GeForce4 Mx440? |
| 09:54.31 | csabo2 | well i was using lilo |
| 09:54.36 | Guerin | rick2004: it does. |
| 09:54.42 | Guerin | csabo2: so? |
| 09:54.45 | csabo2 | but its totally broke so i removed it |
| 09:54.51 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 09:54.54 | csabo2 | and im using grub , and someone gave me a config |
| 09:55.01 | jm_ | rick2004: their web page will tell you |
| 09:55.03 | streuner_ | rick2004: AFAIK, xfree support MX440 out of the box |
| 09:55.07 | bob2 | oh lord |
| 09:55.08 | Tom- | Csabo: I'm afraid I don't speak Grub, but I can tell you how to copy that file |
| 09:55.10 | Guerin | I wonder if he's ignoring me... |
| 09:55.14 | rick2004 | Guerin, is it? but I can't find it in the list from the website...so, i just need to install the system manually insteaad of apt-get? |
| 09:55.16 | Guerin | Tom-: don't |
| 09:55.24 | csabo2 | thats plenty tom- thank you |
| 09:55.25 | Guerin | rick2004: use the nv driver |
| 09:55.37 | csabo2 | if i can find where the file goes im doing fine |
| 09:55.46 | Guerin | Tom-: because he WILL break his system, and he WILL break you |
| 09:55.53 | rick2004 | Guerin, how about the xfree86 in debian now? does it suppoert? |
| 09:55.58 | Guerin | rick2004: yes. |
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| 09:56.08 | rick2004 | alright, let me try! |
| 09:56.09 | Guerin | err, s/break/blame/2 |
| 09:56.10 | rick2004 | bye bye |
| 09:56.45 | csabo2 | tom- i think i need to be in root |
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| 09:56.51 | csabo2 | because im not seeing /bin/grub |
| 09:57.13 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:57.17 | Shadur | csabo2: That sounds about right, yes |
| 09:57.18 | jm_ | rick2004: website lists nvidia's chips that are supported |
| 09:57.21 | Guerin | this just gets funnier and funnier |
| 09:57.23 | Tom- | Csabo: cp ~csabo/.xchat/downloads/menu.lst ~ |
| 09:57.28 | Guerin | there IS NO /bin/grub |
| 09:57.29 | Shadur | csabo2: because grub is in /sbin/ |
| 09:57.33 | Tom- | replace csabo with your username :-) |
| 09:57.38 | Shadur | Sorry for the bold, folks. |
| 09:57.46 | Tom- | and yes you need to use root in order to change Grub's configuration |
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| 09:58.08 | Tom- | and I think you should give up on Grub because I don't see anyone around volunteering to walk you through making it work |
| 09:58.12 | Shadur | Tom-: Or setfacl -m u:adm:rw /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:58.14 | Guerin | ok, copying someone else's menu.lst is a surefire way to fuck your box up |
| 09:58.19 | bob2 | grub works fine by default |
| 09:58.21 | Guerin | someone tell him, ftlog |
| 09:58.35 | csabo2 | well i know grub-update |
| 09:58.39 | csabo2 | and someone made this conf for me |
| 09:58.41 | Shadur | bob2: update-grub worked fine for me when a partition crash killed my /boot |
| 09:58.43 | Guerin | csabo2: there is no grub-update |
| 09:58.45 | csabo2 | he had me give him my hda setup |
| 09:58.48 | streuner_ | csabo2: why not just reinstall debian with d-i, fixing MBR's with lilo and grub are headaces even for expierenced users... |
| 09:58.57 | csabo2 | im sorry? |
| 09:59.00 | Guerin | no |
| 09:59.00 | csabo2 | d-i |
| 09:59.05 | streuner_ | !d-i |
| 09:59.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
| 09:59.05 | bob2 | if it's not workingk, it's becayse csabo2 broke it |
| 09:59.07 | csabo2 | oh i see |
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| 09:59.38 | simonrvn | "screw you guys, i'm going" to bed. nini |
| 09:59.44 | Guerin | simonrvn: word |
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| 09:59.47 | jm_ | :) |
| 09:59.50 | Assid | is there any way i can rescue a box whose boot record has gone haywire? |
| 09:59.56 | csabo2 | streuner is there a way to choose grub instead of lilo during the install? |
| 09:59.56 | streuner_ | csabo2: in order to use XP at the same time (Dual Boot) you need to install XP first. |
| 09:59.58 | csabo2 | i didnt see one |
| 09:59.58 | simonrvn | :) |
| 10:00.00 | jm_ | Assid: considering you have to ask - no |
| 10:00.07 | Guerin | so we have the blind leading the fucktarded in #debian now.... fabulous |
| 10:00.10 | bob2 | Assid: boot from a cd and fix it |
| 10:00.12 | Shadur | Assid: Evidently, *you* can't. |
| 10:00.17 | Assid | jm_: i tried booting from cd.. |
| 10:00.20 | streuner_ | csabo2: yes d-i supports that |
| 10:00.25 | bob2 | lordy |
| 10:00.27 | csabo2 | ok |
| 10:00.31 | csabo2 | lemme try to burn a cd =\ |
| 10:00.33 | Shadur | Cripes. |
| 10:00.34 | jm_ | Assid: that should do it, chroot and reinstall boot loader or fix whatever is broken |
| 10:00.35 | csabo2 | im sure ill catch fire |
| 10:00.39 | streuner_ | csabo2: you can choose during installation lilo or grub |
| 10:00.40 | csabo2 | but lets see |
| 10:00.45 | csabo2 | i have a woody CD |
| 10:00.47 | Assid | but everytime it says something about VFS and cant boot the root |
| 10:00.47 | csabo2 | so i need to burn a sarge |
| 10:00.49 | Shadur | I'm going back to sleep. Wake me when the stupid has gone down to tolerable levels again. |
| 10:01.04 | Guerin | Shadur: /nick RipVanWinkle |
| 10:01.12 | streuner_ | csabo2: yep, but d-i has a lot of features, its just great. |
| 10:01.19 | csabo2 | ok thanks |
| 10:01.21 | jm_ | Assid: /msg dpkg initrd |
| 10:01.28 | Shadur | Guerin: I really need to find out who that is, I think. |
| 10:01.30 | sep | Assid, oot on cd, mount your system like it should be under /mnt, chroot to /mnt and fix your bootloader there by either |
| 10:01.41 | sep | Assid, also it would help if you could say if you use lilo or grub |
| 10:01.43 | Guerin | Shadur: the guy who went to sleep and woke up 25 years later |
| 10:01.47 | Shadur | Assid: No, it can't *mount* root. |
| 10:01.52 | Shadur | Guerin: Oooh. Tempting. |
| 10:02.04 | Guerin | Shadur: isn't it. |
| 10:02.05 | Shadur | Assid: That's a whole different level of problem. |
| 10:02.05 | csabo2 | whats a good cd burning app? |
| 10:02.17 | sep | i tend to use cdrecord |
| 10:02.19 | Assid | well.. i tried changing from grub to lilo.. but thats when it went nutty |
| 10:02.26 | streuner_ | csabo2: i still prefer cdrecord and cdrdao... |
| 10:02.27 | Shadur | csabo2: cdrecord isn't "good" per se but it's about the only game in town for command line work |
| 10:02.31 | sep | Assid, grub is better |
| 10:02.39 | csabo2 | im in gnome atm |
| 10:02.43 | Guerin | Assid: yes... grub handles initrd automagiclaly, lilo doesn't |
| 10:02.48 | csabo2 | ill use k3b |
| 10:02.54 | csabo2 | if it doesnt catch fire |
| 10:02.56 | streuner_ | csabo2: cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 speed=8 driveropts=burnfree /tmp/pr0n.iso |
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| 10:03.16 | Assid | well.. i was updating my kernel.. the damn thing refused to accept it.. so i just decided to use something i know.. now that went away too |
| 10:03.18 | streuner_ | csabo2: where pr0n.iso the d-i iso should be ;-) |
| 10:03.21 | Shadur | csabo2: latest gnome in sarge and higher have CD burning capability built into nautilus. Forgot the exact package name. Something along the lines og nautilus-cd-burner |
| 10:03.25 | Assid | im stcuk nowhere |
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| 10:03.49 | csabo2 | FUCK |
| 10:03.53 | csabo2 | ive got 2 windows now |
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| 10:03.56 | csabo2 | with no fucking close button |
| 10:03.59 | csabo2 | and alt f4 doesnt work |
| 10:04.01 | sep | Assid, boot your favorite linux on cd, mount your system, and chroot to that system, then remove lilo and gre grub back the eay you had it |
| 10:04.02 | csabo2 | what is this shit |
| 10:04.11 | Guerin | !tell csabo2 about pebcak |
| 10:04.12 | fuison\a | is probably best not to run updatedb as root when you have other users right? |
| 10:04.21 | streuner_ | csabo2: window-manager feature ;-) |
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| 10:04.34 | Guerin | fuison\a: why not? |
| 10:04.43 | streuner_ | csabo2: you prolly forgot to install a window-manager |
| 10:04.56 | csabo2 | i did kdebase and kde |
| 10:04.58 | csabo2 | what did i miss? |
| 10:04.59 | fuison\a | Guerin: wont other users be able to see eachothers stuff? |
| 10:05.01 | Assid | sep.. thats the thing.. i cant .. when i lsay linux26 root=/dev/hda5 .. i get some weird vfs error |
| 10:05.12 | Guerin | fuison\a: they'll be able to see the names of files, yeah |
| 10:05.18 | Assid | i have sarge dvd |
| 10:05.23 | Shadur | Assid: That sounds about right, yes |
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| 10:05.35 | csabo2 | jesus christ |
| 10:05.40 | csabo2 | i cant win |
| 10:05.43 | Shadur | Assid: In other words, /dev/hda5 no longer contains a valid filesystem. |
| 10:05.49 | csabo2 | great |
| 10:05.53 | csabo2 | i cant even open a fucking zip file |
| 10:05.55 | Shadur | csabo2: Why blame Him for your own shortcomings? |
| 10:05.58 | streuner_ | csabo2: I told you before, just install windowmaker or such |
| 10:06.11 | csabo2 | thats not a pkg |
| 10:06.13 | Guerin | this one is beyond salvation |
| 10:06.16 | streuner_ | csabo2: wmaker |
| 10:06.20 | Assid | Shadur: i used to have the same issue when grub used to work.. if i boot off the stock kernel.. it works.. my kernel.. no |
| 10:06.23 | streuner_ | !info wmaker |
| 10:06.29 | dpkg | wmaker: (NeXTSTEP-like window manager for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.91.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2226 kB, Installed size: 6080 kB |
| 10:06.48 | Guerin | !tell Assid about norootfs |
| 10:06.48 | Shadur | Assid: That's because it's not a kernel issue. I've been trying to tell you that for the past ten minutes. |
| 10:06.48 | csabo2 | ok i need cd recording tools k3b states |
| 10:06.59 | csabo2 | however i allready have cdrecord installed |
| 10:07.06 | Assid | but right now.. im booting off the stock kernel.. on the dvd.. it should work correct ? |
| 10:07.08 | streuner_ | that's enough |
| 10:07.08 | Assid | hrmm.. |
| 10:07.13 | csabo2 | well |
| 10:07.16 | csabo2 | k3b says its not |
| 10:07.17 | csabo2 | =\ |
| 10:07.17 | Assid | Shadur: what do you suggest i do |
| 10:07.22 | Shadur | Assid: Not if the filesystem is damaged, you idiot |
| 10:07.24 | Guerin | !tell csabo2 about enter |
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| 10:07.38 | streuner_ | !enter |
| 10:07.38 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 10:07.46 | csabo2 | youre such a child, ill ignore the bot then |
| 10:07.55 | Guerin | haha |
| 10:08.03 | Guerin | go on then |
| 10:08.05 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 10:08.11 | Guerin | ignore anyone who can give you any sound advice |
| 10:08.22 | csabo2 | streuner is there a reason why gzip wont open a zip file? |
| 10:08.25 | Shadur | Assid: make a knoppix CD, boot from that ***WITHOUT TELLING IT TO BOOT YOUR HARD DRIVES***, then play around and try to manually mount each partition. |
| 10:08.27 | Guerin | except streuner, who seems to be more patient than your average saint |
| 10:08.50 | Shadur | csabo2: If you don't intend to listen to anyone more intelligent than you, you'd better claw out your eardrums now and be done with it. |
| 10:08.51 | streuner_ | csabo2: you need zip not gzip, its another tool to compress and decompress data |
| 10:08.52 | Assid | Shadur: i had this exact same problem when i tried booting my kernel.. when it iddnt work.. all i used to do was boot from the stock kernel and it worked |
| 10:09.00 | streuner_ | !info zip |
| 10:09.02 | csabo2 | oh ok thanks |
| 10:09.06 | dpkg | zip: (Archiver for .zip files), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.30-8 (sid), Packaged size: 86 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 10:09.07 | streuner_ | !info gzip |
| 10:09.10 | dpkg | gzip: (The GNU compression utility), section base, is required. Version: 1.3.5-9 (sid), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 232 kB |
| 10:09.22 | csabo2 | ah |
| 10:09.24 | Assid | same error.. all i did was change the kernel |
| 10:09.31 | Assid | thats what im trying to explain.. |
| 10:09.32 | Shadur | Assid: Forget it. You're obviously not listening to anything I'm trying to tell you. I can't be arsed to repeat myself again. |
| 10:09.40 | idis | oh, thanks streuner_, couldn't make the difference... My life gets a new direction |
| 10:09.43 | Assid | okay.. leme try with knoppic |
| 10:09.45 | Assid | knoppix |
| 10:09.45 | csabo2 | streuner , do i have to reboot or somthing =\ |
| 10:09.47 | Shadur | Assid: And evidently you screwed up somethign else |
| 10:09.50 | csabo2 | the zip on my desktop still wont open |
| 10:10.01 | csabo2 | says it cant display it |
| 10:10.01 | Assid | i wish i had a kvm switch :( |
| 10:10.02 | StM2 | are here dutch people? |
| 10:10.04 | Shadur | Assid: Fine. Have fun. Don't tell me what happens, though. I don't care anymore and I don't intend to help you. |
| 10:10.10 | Shadur | Assid: I wish you had a working brain. |
| 10:10.11 | jm_ | Assid: why KVM ? |
| 10:10.13 | Assid | sorry man... |
| 10:10.19 | iceman | omg |
| 10:10.21 | iceman | that is not nice |
| 10:10.30 | Guerin | iceman: reality is rearely nice |
| 10:10.31 | streuner_ | idis: in which direction goes your life now :-/ |
| 10:10.33 | Assid | jm_: 2 machines..same keyboard.. same monitor |
| 10:10.40 | Guerin | s/rear/rare/ |
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| 10:10.47 | jm_ | Assid: you could use something like VNC too |
| 10:10.48 | Tom- | Csabo: This is the suck, but basically, you have to do everything on command line...at least for IRC support |
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| 10:10.49 | Assid | i got to keep removing the damn cable from one and shoving it into the other |
| 10:10.53 | idis | streuner_: g .. like in gnu then? :/ |
| 10:10.57 | Assid | jm_: would be nice if the machine booted ;) |
| 10:11.05 | streuner_ | csabo2: in order to run wmaker? |
| 10:11.09 | csabo2 | No |
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| 10:11.14 | streuner_ | idis: oh :-) |
| 10:11.14 | csabo2 | i need to open a ZIP file |
| 10:11.18 | csabo2 | that has an ISO in it |
| 10:11.22 | csabo2 | so i can burn a sarge CD and reformat |
| 10:11.30 | Shadur | iceman: I'm not a very nice person, and I used up the last of this year's supply of "nice" over the weekend trying to be pleasant to my family. I have none left to spare on complete idiots that insist on blathering about their problems without listening to our responses. |
| 10:11.31 | jm_ | Assid: well sure, I use serial console to manage my firewall which has no keyboard or monitor attached |
| 10:11.37 | csabo2 | the zip wont open says it cant display the location, but the file is obviously there |
| 10:11.38 | streuner_ | csabo2: apt-get install zip |
| 10:11.46 | Shadur | .... What kind of complete imbecile zips a .iso ? |
| 10:11.47 | csabo2 | did that.. |
| 10:11.51 | streuner_ | csabo2: apt-get install unzip |
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| 10:11.59 | streuner_ | csabo2: unzip foo.zip |
| 10:12.01 | Assid | jm_: doent a kvm switch do that? |
| 10:12.15 | Guerin | !beer Shadur |
| 10:12.21 | csabo2 | why isnt gzip, unzip and zip in one fuckin pkg lol |
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| 10:12.29 | streuner_ | Shadur: he mentioned SuSE... |
| 10:12.42 | csabo2 | i give up |
| 10:12.45 | csabo2 | this zip has a pass |
| 10:12.46 | streuner_ | Shadur: debian doesn't ship isos with zips |
| 10:12.49 | csabo2 | thanks for your help streuner |
| 10:12.50 | Guerin | haha |
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| 10:12.55 | csabo2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.58 | bob2 | because they're different bits of software |
| 10:13.00 | Tom- | Csabo: Sounds like a plan :-) |
| 10:13.00 | csabo2 | ill be back at it in the morning |
| 10:13.06 | jm_ | Assid: I could use that too, but most of them are crap and mangle the video signal so your quality is worse, you can get away with serial cable for most of the tasks, except when something else goes wrong (like if you require to enter the BIOS and whatnot) |
| 10:13.08 | Assid | Shadur: if i boot from knoppix.. and update the lilo.conf file.. i need to run lilo to update the mbr.. but the file location isnt the same.. so it wont find the file |
| 10:13.10 | csabo2 | its enough for one nighnt |
| 10:13.13 | csabo2 | thanks again struener and tom |
| 10:13.17 | csabo2 | take it easy fellas |
| 10:13.23 | jm_ | Assid: that's why you were told to chroot |
| 10:13.37 | Assid | aah |
| 10:13.47 | Assid | right.. lemme try |
| 10:14.01 | Guerin | actually, csabo2, if you're not ignoring me - juts give up and use suse |
| 10:14.06 | Shadur | Assid: Did you or did you not hear me when I told you I was no longer interested in trying to help you work through your stupidity? |
| 10:14.24 | Tom- | I'd try Suse but I reallocated my harddrive to be able to hold all the Debian stuff I'm installing |
| 10:14.36 | csabo2 | well i like using apt |
| 10:14.39 | Assid | gezzz.. im sorry man.. i already apologised |
| 10:14.43 | csabo2 | so im hesitant to do so |
| 10:14.52 | csabo2 | and ive used debian in the past and liked it |
| 10:14.58 | csabo2 | i just need to be able to burn a new CD |
| 10:14.59 | Shadur | Assid: My lack of caring is unmoved by your meaningless apologies. |
| 10:15.00 | streuner_ | csabo2: get d-i |
| 10:15.00 | Guerin | csabo2: suse has package management... it's shit, but at least it's simple |
| 10:15.15 | Assid | meaningless ? |
| 10:15.28 | Guerin | csabo2: and simplicity seems to be something you really, really need |
| 10:15.31 | Assid | did u just break up or something? |
| 10:15.33 | streuner_ | Guerin: apt-get is easy |
| 10:15.41 | csabo2 | yea apt-get isnt hard |
| 10:15.46 | StM2 | what is apt-get? |
| 10:15.47 | csabo2 | its the boot loaders |
| 10:15.47 | Guerin | streuner_: it's easy, but it's not simple. |
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| 10:15.51 | csabo2 | thats the problem |
| 10:15.53 | ryty | what's that program that makes source into possible debian sources? |
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| 10:15.58 | Guerin | csabo2: bootloaders aren't hard either. |
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| 10:16.16 | bob2 | the default boot loader setup is fine |
| 10:16.17 | ryty | not hard, just sometimes annoying |
| 10:16.20 | bob2 | I'm not sure how you broke it |
| 10:16.28 | csabo2 | im a talented retard |
| 10:16.29 | csabo2 | thats how |
| 10:16.34 | Guerin | they'r eonly annoying if you purposefully fuck with them when you shouldn't be |
| 10:16.35 | csabo2 | if its breakproof ill find a way |
| 10:16.36 | Shadur | csabo2: We're aware of this. |
| 10:16.45 | Guerin | csabo2: you should go work for microsoft |
| 10:16.45 | redmar | guys i can't connect my server true putty. at monitor he say's can change tty?? |
| 10:16.52 | csabo2 | Guerin, i allready do |
| 10:16.59 | Assid | will mepis do ? i cant seem to find my knoppix disc |
| 10:17.01 | Guerin | they need more people like you in captivity, as opposed to in the wild |
| 10:17.13 | csabo2 | i really wish ignore worked |
| 10:17.15 | Zomb | redmar: kernel 2.6 and devpts not mounted. RTFM. |
| 10:17.15 | Guerin | Assid: qanything which gives you a shell and chroot will do just fine |
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| 10:17.19 | csabo2 | i did /ignore <nick> all |
| 10:17.20 | Guerin | csabo2: it does |
| 10:17.24 | csabo2 | and i can still see assholes talking |
| 10:17.26 | csabo2 | no it doesnt |
| 10:17.33 | Guerin | csabo2: you're just too fucking stupid to use it |
| 10:17.33 | Tom- | hmm |
| 10:17.38 | csabo2 | im sure |
| 10:17.45 | csabo2 | in any event |
| 10:17.46 | bob2 | csabo2: go away |
| 10:17.58 | csabo2 | bob2: go get cancer and die bleeding at the eyes |
| 10:18.02 | Shadur | csabo2: I guess you're just ignorant, then. |
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| 10:18.08 | Guerin | famous last words... |
| 10:18.19 | Shadur | Thanks, bob. |
| 10:18.22 | iceman | nooo :( |
| 10:18.26 | Guerin | !beer bob2 |
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| 10:19.24 | streuner_ | he would go to XP anyways |
| 10:19.34 | bob2 | it doesn't matter |
| 10:19.39 | Tom- | I'm not impressed |
| 10:19.43 | bob2 | either he was completely clueless, or trolling |
| 10:19.45 | Guerin | Tom-: neither am I |
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| 10:19.57 | streuner_ | clueless |
| 10:20.01 | bob2 | hey Madkiss |
| 10:20.05 | Guerin | Tom-: you weren't helping matters, trying to tell him how to do something that YOU clearly had no clue about |
| 10:20.11 | Madkiss | hi all. I'm desperating, trying to burn a DVD. I created the .iso, got it on a DVD and now when trying to play with xine, the thing tells me: |
| 10:20.15 | Madkiss | libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed |
| 10:20.16 | Madkiss | libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed |
| 10:20.20 | Pimpinella | can i mount proc in a chroot without harming the system? |
| 10:20.38 | Madkiss | But the file xists: |
| 10:20.39 | Madkiss | <0>madkiss@minerva[1018]:/cdrom$ ls -l VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO |
| 10:20.40 | Madkiss | -rw-r--r-- 1 madkiss madkiss 12288 2004-12-11 22:06 VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO |
| 10:20.41 | Tom- | Pimp: Yes |
| 10:20.42 | zimo | Guerin as in Daniel Geurin? |
| 10:20.44 | Guerin | Pimpinella: yes; typically you have to to do anything useful |
| 10:20.54 | Guerin | zimo: no. Who is Daniel Guerin? |
| 10:20.58 | streuner_ | Madkiss: no idea, but is UDF in kernel? |
| 10:21.00 | zimo | an author |
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| 10:21.03 | StM2 | how long must the computer works for a debian installation |
| 10:21.05 | Guerin | I presume you spelt it wrong, not me... |
| 10:21.09 | StM2 | sorry formy bat english |
| 10:21.32 | Madkiss | streuner_: yes. |
| 10:21.32 | Guerin | StM2: depends. CD install or netinstall? |
| 10:21.34 | Pimpinella | Guerin: what do you mean with "typically you have to do something useful"? |
| 10:21.39 | StM2 | cd install |
| 10:21.41 | streuner_ | Madkiss: have you tried another DVD? |
| 10:21.45 | bob2 | Madkiss: xine probably expects dvds to be udf |
| 10:21.52 | Pimpinella | s/something/anything |
| 10:21.53 | streuner_ | Madkiss: the same result? |
| 10:21.53 | Shadur | Is it possible to mount proc read-only? Because if not, someone cracking a chroot could still do some interesting - if hopefully non-permanent - damage... |
| 10:21.56 | bob2 | Madkiss: in fact, I'm almost certain it does |
| 10:21.58 | Guerin | Pimpinella: typically, to do anything useful, you should mount /proc |
| 10:22.00 | redmar | damm.. i'm stupid. but i fucked up the /bin/sh file. how can i fix that? |
| 10:22.02 | mulan | i tried to compile the new samba 3.0.10 on a woody system. Now i have the problem that the configure script can't find the stddef.h header file. libc6-dev is installed and the stddef.h exists under /usr/include/linux. |
| 10:22.07 | Pimpinella | Guerin: k |
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| 10:22.19 | bob2 | Shadur: if somone gets root in a chroot, they can get out in a few ways |
| 10:22.21 | bob2 | mulan: install build-essential |
| 10:22.23 | Guerin | redmar: how did you fuck up /bin/sh ? |
| 10:22.27 | Tom- | Redmar: Is your /bin/bash fine? |
| 10:22.28 | mulan | anyone mab a hint? |
| 10:22.40 | shakparl | is it possible to do a net-inst over a wifi card? |
| 10:22.47 | redmar | Yes |
| 10:22.57 | bob2 | shakparl: if the installer supports your card |
| 10:22.57 | redmar | tom- tes :D |
| 10:23.02 | Guerin | !possible |
| 10:23.02 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 10:23.02 | Madkiss | bob2: arw. How to create that? |
| 10:23.03 | ryty | I'm looking for the tool that makes the debian directory from a standard package's source |
| 10:23.08 | ryty | anyone know what it's called? |
| 10:23.17 | shakparl | bob2: if it doesn't, can you install the driver .deb and re-run the install? |
| 10:23.36 | Guerin | dh-make or something... |
| 10:23.37 | Tom- | Redmar: ln -sf /bin/bash /bin/sh |
| 10:23.56 | ryty | Guerin: thanks |
| 10:24.02 | bob2 | shakparl: if you get the base system installed, you can do most anything |
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| 10:24.07 | ryty | or, were you talking to me? |
| 10:24.11 | jm_ | debmake |
| 10:24.20 | bob2 | don't use debmake |
| 10:24.22 | mulan | bob2: shi it doesn't help the same problem |
| 10:24.26 | jm_ | yeah, it's old |
| 10:24.35 | jm_ | dh-make is its replacement |
| 10:24.39 | bob2 | yes |
| 10:24.44 | ryty | ok |
| 10:24.56 | Shadur | bob2: Yeah, I know. Heck, in a pinch they could make a couple of device nodes and mount the real filesystem under the chroot. |
| 10:25.14 | bob2 | Madkiss: mkudffs from udftools, it seems |
| 10:25.30 | bob2 | Shadur: hm, that's one I haven't heard of before, but yeah |
| 10:25.33 | Guerin | ryty: it's not that dh-make; it's ont of the others in debhelper though |
| 10:26.03 | bob2 | dh-make from the dh-make package |
| 10:26.17 | Guerin | man, my typing is so shit today |
| 10:26.33 | bob2 | mulan: maybe it's not possible to build on woody |
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| 10:27.28 | ryty | dh-make or dh_make? |
| 10:27.45 | jm_ | dh-make, read its description |
| 10:27.59 | StM2 | how could you in the graffish system login as root |
| 10:28.02 | pmfp | I get eth0: PACKET SNIFFER (/usr/sbin/dhcpd[7650]) (and for eth2, and dhclient.dpkg-new on eth1).... This is reported by chkrootkit |
| 10:28.15 | pmfp | Does this mean my system is broken? |
| 10:28.20 | jm_ | pmpf;no |
| 10:28.52 | mulan | bob2: hmm maby but i tried also squid and there its the same. |
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| 10:29.25 | husein | anyone can help me?. I compiled 2.6.0 kernel, and, i was said this kernel panic. -->http://pastebin.com/133682 |
| 10:29.52 | Guerin | husein: don't use 2.6.0 |
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| 10:30.06 | drac | I installed (but not yet succesfully configured?) firewall called Firehol (uses iptables?) but now it's outputting this crap in my console and all the logs are full of it. Should I use something else, or just try to configure this? |
| 10:30.07 | husein | Guerin, why? |
| 10:30.07 | Guerin | it's got 12 months worth of remote root holes |
| 10:30.20 | mulan | very strange. I never had problems like that |
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| 10:30.24 | Guerin | !tell drak about klogd |
| 10:30.26 | Zomb | husein: you are not able to RTFM or read the messages, so better avoid it |
| 10:30.31 | Guerin | !tell drac about klogd |
| 10:30.39 | bob2 | mulan: are you sure you installed build-essential? |
| 10:30.43 | Zomb | Guerin: oh dear. There is no klogd at this stage. |
| 10:30.54 | Madkiss | bob2: aha! Seems like I found the Pudel's Kern :) |
| 10:30.54 | pmfp | jm_: what did it mean then? |
| 10:30.58 | Guerin | Zomb: um, what? |
| 10:31.07 | husein | Zomb, RTFM?? |
| 10:31.12 | bob2 | Madkiss: ok! |
| 10:31.15 | Zomb | Guerin: even if, how t.f. should he get the log down on any media? ;) |
| 10:31.16 | mulan | bob2: 100% i installed it a minute after you told me. |
| 10:31.33 | Guerin | !confuse Zomb |
| 10:31.34 | dpkg | No, how was their gouda tomorrow, Zomb? trousers of the monarchy of micronesia with extra cream |
| 10:31.42 | Sazpaimon | augh |
| 10:31.44 | Sazpaimon | Okay |
| 10:31.52 | Sazpaimon | someone help me out here |
| 10:32.02 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: are you using debian yet? |
| 10:32.02 | husein | i have compiled that, cause i wanna get suport for iSCSI. Any help for me?? |
| 10:32.08 | Zomb | aua. The same stupid arogancy around some monks on newbies channel. |
| 10:32.12 | Guerin | husein: no. Build 2.6.10 |
| 10:32.13 | Zomb | s,cy,ce, |
| 10:32.15 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, just hear me out here |
| 10:32.57 | Assid | i tried with a live cd.. i can see my / and i even mounted it.. however i do have /boot seperately..i updated lilo's conf file.. but i dont think it will be of any use till i run lilo, which it is not letting me |
| 10:32.58 | Sazpaimon | I did depmod -a or whatever the command was |
| 10:33.11 | Sazpaimon | I even tried to upgrade my kernel to a newer version |
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| 10:33.23 | Sazpaimon | yet when I boot Linux I *still* get this error message |
| 10:33.40 | Sazpaimon | modprobe is still looking in the 2.4.26 directory |
| 10:33.41 | jm_ | pmfp: that those two tools use packet protocol (i.e. like tcpdump) |
| 10:33.44 | husein | Guerin, i will download it first. |
| 10:33.53 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: something's obviously fucked, and since you're not using debian we have almost no way of discovering what., |
| 10:33.59 | Guerin | husein: you will have to. |
| 10:34.02 | husein | I hopo not to have more problems |
| 10:34.07 | pmfp | jm_: Alright, thanks! |
| 10:34.14 | Assid | Shadur: i did everything as u said.. but its not letting update it.. |
| 10:34.15 | Sazpaimon | let's just pretend it is debian |
| 10:34.27 | Piru | let's jjust pretend there is no problem |
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| 10:34.31 | vuuhorlsu | Saz: O.K. If it was Debian, you'd have no problems. Problem solved. |
| 10:34.34 | Piru | -j |
| 10:34.41 | Sazpaimon | Ha-ha |
| 10:34.50 | Shadur | La la la, I'm not listeniiiiiiiing.... |
| 10:34.51 | mulan | bob2: to bad that noone had the same problem and solved it. :) |
| 10:35.02 | Sazpaimon | could it be something with the files in the /boot folder? |
| 10:35.12 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: anything's possible |
| 10:35.17 | vuuhorlsu | Saz; uname -a |
| 10:35.30 | drac | Sazpaimon: Get the sarge netinstall and get rid of that junk on your machine. |
| 10:35.32 | vuuhorlsu | Saz: modprobe looks under each dir depending on the kernel version. |
| 10:35.42 | vuuhorlsu | saz: If it's looking under 2.4, then your kernel has to be 2.4 |
| 10:35.44 | Guerin | he's running xebian; sarge won't install on it |
| 10:35.50 | Sazpaimon | my kernel is 2.4 |
| 10:35.52 | shakparl | drac: oh the net-inst RULES |
| 10:35.53 | Sazpaimon | 2.4.28 to be exact |
| 10:35.53 | Guerin | no |
| 10:36.00 | Guerin | 2.4 is not a kernel version |
| 10:36.03 | vuuhorlsu | Saz: Then waht's the problem? |
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| 10:36.06 | Sazpaimon | well |
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| 10:36.14 | Sazpaimon | modprobe is looking under 2.4.24 |
| 10:36.16 | Sazpaimon | err |
| 10:36.17 | Sazpaimon | 26 |
| 10:36.20 | Sazpaimon | not 28 |
| 10:36.26 | vuuhorlsu | Saz: Impossible. |
| 10:36.33 | Sazpaimon | Im looking at it |
| 10:36.33 | Guerin | exactly |
| 10:36.41 | Sazpaimon | Im looking at the message |
| 10:36.41 | Guerin | uname -a |
| 10:36.45 | Sazpaimon | hold on |
| 10:36.48 | Sazpaimon | I'm loading it |
| 10:36.48 | vuuhorlsu | Saz: Delete the other directories. |
| 10:37.13 | anymous | hello, is there a tool to check the links in a given html page? |
| 10:37.19 | Sazpaimon | all except my 2.4.28 folder right? |
| 10:37.21 | vuuhorlsu | Saz: do a depmod -a |
| 10:37.25 | vuuhorlsu | Saz: yes. |
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| 10:37.27 | Sazpaimon | I did that |
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| 10:37.30 | Sazpaimon | hold on a second |
| 10:37.35 | Sazpaimon | let me boot up Linux here |
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| 10:37.58 | Toastie | How cn I check what logics udev will perform for a certain device? |
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| 10:39.11 | ryty | busy night |
| 10:39.33 | vuuhorlsu | Wow, Valve still hasn't fixed the HL2 bug. |
| 10:40.16 | The_Vulture | vuuhorlsu: "the" bug - which one (and why should the issue even be brought up here) |
| 10:40.21 | Sazpaimon | okay |
| 10:40.21 | Guerin | ryty: no, it's always like this |
| 10:40.22 | Sazpaimon | xebian:/# uname -a |
| 10:40.22 | Sazpaimon | Linux xebian.localdomain.local 2.4.27 #1 Sun Sep 19 13:49:13 CEST 2004 i686 GNU/ |
| 10:40.39 | Guerin | ok, that's neither 2.4.26 or 2.4.28 |
| 10:40.44 | Sazpaimon | yea |
| 10:40.45 | fuison\a | hmm what is the standard speed of say.. an athlon xp 3000+ ? |
| 10:40.47 | Guerin | nor x86 |
| 10:40.49 | vuuhorlsu | The_Vulture: The "stuttering" bug where the game will stop in the middle of no where and start stuttering. |
| 10:40.57 | Guerin | fuison\a: amd.com |
| 10:40.57 | Sazpaimon | and that's because its on a working box |
| 10:41.00 | vuuhorlsu | fusion: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 10:41.04 | Sazpaimon | see what I did was this |
| 10:41.14 | fuison\a | i know what its running at but i just wanted to know |
| 10:41.27 | Sazpaimon | I put in my "livecd" and mounted my debian hard drive |
| 10:41.29 | Sazpaimon | then did a chroot |
| 10:41.38 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: gah |
| 10:41.45 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: that's utterly useless |
| 10:41.54 | vuuhorlsu | Saz: If you boot with the livecd, you're running on a DIFFERENT kernel. |
| 10:42.03 | Sazpaimon | well, if I do depmod -a woill it effect my hard drive? |
| 10:42.11 | vuuhorlsu | Saz: No, it will do the wrong things. |
| 10:42.24 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: ok, you're chrooted? remove and purge your existing kernel image, then install another. |
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| 10:42.33 | vuuhorlsu | Saz: Because the dependencies will be bound the the kernel on the LiveCD and not on your hdd. |
| 10:42.50 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: that's what you've done, and that's the fucking problem. |
| 10:42.56 | husein | Guerin, why that kernel is wrong?? |
| 10:43.04 | Guerin | husein: what? |
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| 10:43.15 | husein | Guerin, 2.6.0 |
| 10:43.43 | Sazpaimon | okay |
| 10:43.53 | Sazpaimon | so how would I "remove and purge" my kernel image |
| 10:43.59 | Sazpaimon | or where can I look it up? |
| 10:43.59 | Guerin | husein: it was released more than 12 months ago and has not had any security work done since |
| 10:44.00 | vuuhorlsu | Wholly crap. An [Obj-C retain]; t-shirt is almot 20 bucks. |
| 10:44.56 | husein | Guerin, and what is my kernel panic relationated with it?? |
| 10:45.11 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l | awk '/kernel-image/ {print $2}' |xargs dpkg -P -y |
| 10:45.40 | Guerin | husein: it's probably not, but there's no point in proceeding with an obsolete kernel when you can use an up-to-date one |
| 10:45.51 | Sazpaimon | well |
| 10:45.58 | Sazpaimon | I didnt install the kernel via dpkg |
| 10:46.04 | Sazpaimon | I compiled it from the source |
| 10:46.09 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: then you are a fucking moron |
| 10:46.13 | Shadur | ~tell Sazpaimon about kp |
| 10:46.14 | fanal1 | what package do i need in order to upgrade kernel? (in addition to kernel-image-269?) |
| 10:46.21 | Sazpaimon | I didnt have much of I choice |
| 10:46.22 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: and you are DOUBLY not entitled to support in #debian |
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| 10:46.32 | Guerin | fanal1: nothing else |
| 10:46.33 | vuuhorlsu | Saz: I do too. |
| 10:46.38 | vuuhorlsu | Saz: It's fun if nothing else. |
| 10:46.38 | Guerin | anyway |
| 10:46.42 | Guerin | I'm making dinner |
| 10:46.42 | Sazpaimon | I needed to get the modded xebian files for the kernel via the cvs |
| 10:46.46 | Guerin | g'luck |
| 10:46.47 | Sazpaimon | from sourceforge |
| 10:46.57 | Guerin | !tell Sazpaimon abou kp |
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| 10:47.11 | Guerin | !tell Sazpaimon about kp |
| 10:47.16 | Shadur | Guerin: I just did that. I think he's to busy with his monologue. |
| 10:47.34 | andrastea | /sbin, /usr/sbin, and /usr/local/sbin are no longer in my root user's PATH, i suspect due to some ~/.files i removed/replaced... any idea which ones these might be and how i might restore them? (it's not the files in /etc/skel) |
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| 10:48.24 | Toastie | Why does udev's devfs policy collide with the HAL policy? |
| 10:48.34 | Sazpaimon | kernel-package is already the newest version. |
| 10:48.34 | Sazpaimon | build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 10:48.43 | vuuhorlsu | Toastie: Because they didn't join the YMCA? |
| 10:49.11 | mad_ogre | hi, how do u restrict who can su to root? |
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| 10:49.22 | vuuhorlsu | mad_ogre: Use sudo. |
| 10:49.23 | Toastie | troll-land, yay |
| 10:49.25 | Sazpaimon | could I apply cvs patches to a kernel I compile with apt-get? |
| 10:49.28 | vuuhorlsu | mad_ogre: Kill su |
| 10:49.37 | jm_ | mad_ogre: there's a fair number of ways since su is PAM-based |
| 10:50.00 | mad_ogre | vuuhorlsu: i'm looking at restricting to uses belonging to say wheel |
| 10:50.00 | vuuhorlsu | mad_ogre: Or you can change the group ownership of su. |
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| 10:50.19 | vuuhorlsu | mad_ogre: For example, make su only read/executable by root and wheel. |
| 10:50.44 | vuuhorlsu | mad_ogre: Sudo gives you a lot more fine-grained access. |
| 10:50.46 | andrastea | or modify /etc/suauth |
| 10:50.50 | andrastea | man suauth |
| 10:51.35 | mad_ogre | andrastea: what's suauth? there's no package by that name |
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| 10:51.51 | andrastea | oh, i guess debian doesn't have a man page for it |
| 10:51.57 | andrastea | suauth is a file, not a program or a package |
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| 10:52.21 | andrastea | debian's setup might be different |
| 10:52.24 | budluva | hrmm...whenever i try to check my mail, i get an error saying...sending of password did not succeed. mail server smokey replied: Maildir: no such file or directory, so i check my /var/log/mail.log and i see this....Dec 26 20:55:49 smokey postfix/local[28927]: 98FFB53C58: to=<budluva@canuckbits.no-ip.org>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)....after that, no errors....??? what's going on? |
| 10:52.35 | mad_ogre | andrastea: does su read suauth cuz there isn't one in /etc |
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| 10:53.09 | Guerin | budluva: your mail client or pop/imap server isn't looking in the same place as your mta is delivering to |
| 10:53.13 | andrastea | the easiest way to get what you want is probably chown root:wheel /bin/su; chmod 4710 /bin/su |
| 10:53.16 | budluva | .... |
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| 10:53.41 | budluva | well the mail.log says its getting delivered to maildir, and client is trying to access maildir |
| 10:53.44 | Gh0sty | Hello |
| 10:53.46 | Guerin | !beer vuuhorlsu |
| 10:53.57 | budluva | Guerin how can i find out where its getting sent to? |
| 10:54.11 | Guerin | budluva: checkk your posstfix config |
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| 10:54.23 | Guerin | budluva: and your mua/popd/imapd config |
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| 10:56.26 | budluva | postfix home_mailbox = MailDir/ courier-pop MAILDIRPATH=MailDir/ |
| 10:57.11 | Guerin | budluva: so it's both delivering to and looking in ~/Maildir |
| 10:57.37 | budluva | ok |
| 10:57.42 | budluva | so why am i getting that error? |
| 10:57.48 | Guerin | good question |
| 10:57.50 | budluva | mua doesnt have options for maildir |
| 10:57.52 | iceman | "sending of password did not succeed" |
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| 10:57.55 | iceman | mabye thats your problem |
| 10:57.57 | iceman | and not the dir |
| 10:58.00 | Guerin | hrm, true |
| 10:58.05 | ceige | I'm having trouble starting my xserver beacuse it can't find /dev/mouse. Shouldn't it be there? |
| 10:58.19 | budluva | ok, well i dont have any ssl installed, just plain postfix and plain courier-pop |
| 10:58.23 | Guerin | ceige: /dev/input/mice is usual |
| 10:58.25 | Toastie | When does udev stop iterating over the rules? |
| 10:58.27 | andrastea | speaking of x, is debian ever going to use xorg? |
| 10:58.37 | Guerin | andrastea: yeah, eventually |
| 10:58.38 | ceige | Guerin: Tried that too. No go there either. Although that one does exist. |
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| 10:58.49 | az[a]zel | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.52 | Guerin | ceige: try /dev/psaux? |
| 10:58.52 | ceige | Guerin: Wait a second and I'll get you some error messages. |
| 10:58.57 | ceige | Guerin: I'll try that. |
| 10:59.17 | budluva | iceman well what deals with passwords? |
| 10:59.28 | Guerin | budluva: courier-authdaemond ? |
| 10:59.46 | budluva | Guerin do both postfix and courier deal with the password? or just the authdaemon? |
| 11:00.28 | fanal1 | does anyone installed successfully the synaptics touchpad driver? |
| 11:00.56 | ceige | Guerin: Says 'could not initialize device. No such device." It does exist though, I just looked. |
| 11:01.36 | StM2 | know somebody a good free website control panel? |
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| 11:02.21 | ceige | This is an unrelated question to my last one but I need to know the answer to this too. How can you fix your terminal when all the letters turn to gibberish symbols? If you don't know what I'm talking about just try to cat /dev/random, a binary file, or a compressed file. You'll see what I'm talking about. |
| 11:02.36 | ceige | Restarting does the trick but is there another way? |
| 11:02.50 | vuuhorlsu | Try reset command |
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| 11:03.16 | ceige | Yup, that worked. |
| 11:03.18 | ceige | Thanks |
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| 11:04.40 | ceige | Guerin: Any more ideas of where I should link my mouse? |
| 11:04.47 | ceige | of/on |
| 11:05.08 | budluva | Guerin maybe i dont have a maildir for the user i'm trying to login to? could that be a possibility? |
| 11:05.26 | budluva | hrmm |
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| 11:05.38 | budluva | no i have a /home/budluva/MailDir |
| 11:06.11 | iceman | and your looking in Maildir right? |
| 11:06.16 | iceman | Maildir != MailDir |
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| 11:07.00 | budluva | no |
| 11:07.04 | iceman | mail server smokey replied: Maildir: no such file or |
| 11:07.06 | budluva | postfix and courier both point to MailDir/ |
| 11:07.08 | iceman | thats what you pasted |
| 11:07.12 | budluva | yeah |
| 11:07.15 | Guerin | ceige: that typically means the driver isn't loaded. What kind of mouse it it? |
| 11:07.38 | budluva | iceman so your saying something is looking for Maildir and not MailDir/ |
| 11:07.38 | budluva | ? |
| 11:07.40 | Guerin | budluva: ln -s ~/MailDir ~/Maildir |
| 11:07.50 | iceman | yea |
| 11:07.52 | ceige | Guerin: USB wireless Microsoft optical mouse |
| 11:08.08 | Guerin | ceige: you know what module it needs? |
| 11:08.12 | Guerin | because I don't |
| 11:08.28 | budluva | iceman still the same |
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| 11:08.41 | ceige | Guerin: Neither do I. /msg dpkg mouse just told me to read one of the doc files. Maybe it'll tell me. BRB. |
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| 11:09.04 | budluva | iceman maybe i should install tls or something? |
| 11:09.11 | bratner | what does " #asterisk :You need to be identified to join that channel" mean? |
| 11:09.12 | Guerin | ceige: it might be one or more of mousedev, usbhid or usbmouse |
| 11:09.14 | budluva | all i have is the basic postfix and courier-imap installed |
| 11:09.26 | bob2 | bratner: /msg nickserv help |
| 11:09.27 | Guerin | bratner: /msg nickserv help |
| 11:09.30 | bob2 | you need to register your nick |
| 11:09.34 | budluva | iceman or will that not work as i can't even login without tls? |
| 11:09.35 | iceman | budluva: go over your configs, check the setup, give it some thought |
| 11:09.42 | iceman | budluva: you got some good starting points now |
| 11:09.58 | bratner | thanx |
| 11:11.08 | ceige | Of Mice and Men |
| 11:11.56 | iceman | :) |
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| 11:12.28 | Guerin | ceige: write a howto: Of Mice and Manpages |
| 11:12.33 | adaran | does anyone here know a bit about gpg? i want to know if an exported public key contains the UID it is assigned to |
| 11:13.06 | Guerin | since gpg is cross-platform, I doubt it |
| 11:13.52 | redluorg | nah, i don't think it's exported either. |
| 11:13.58 | redluorg | the uid is just it's id in your database. |
| 11:14.23 | ceige | Guerin: :) |
| 11:15.01 | adaran | uhm, maybe i need to clarify, with UID i mean the aliases in the key |
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| 11:15.23 | adaran | otoh, if a user only got my key (the ascii part) - would he know what email i have "associated" it with? |
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| 11:15.39 | BigSam72 | please could you tell me pronunciation of "tsunami" ? |
| 11:15.41 | BigSam72 | :-) |
| 11:15.46 | Phated | Soo-nah-mee. |
| 11:15.50 | redluorg | adaran, yep. |
| 11:15.51 | Phated | Kind of, close enough. |
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| 11:16.09 | vuuhorlsu | Sure Nom Me |
| 11:16.14 | adaran | redluorg, would he get the main ID or the main ID and all UIDs? |
| 11:16.19 | Guerin | um, nope |
| 11:16.36 | adaran | redluorg, and.. if i, let's say, made 50 extra UIDs, wouldn't the key become very large? |
| 11:17.18 | ceige | It's pronounced how it's spelled |
| 11:17.34 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:17.37 | Guerin | exactly |
| 11:17.50 | Defenestrator | tsoo-nah-mee |
| 11:17.55 | ceige | lol, don't touch my mustache |
| 11:17.56 | iceman | depends what language you speak :) |
| 11:17.56 | Guerin | just most people think they can't pronounce a 'ts', though it';s east if you try |
| 11:18.20 | ceige | Yup. |
| 11:18.29 | adaran | Guerin, depends on what's your native language I guess =) |
| 11:18.50 | Guerin | iceman: since tsunami is a latinisation, it relies on whether use speak a language using the latin alphabet.... but not much more |
| 11:19.00 | Guerin | s/use/you/ |
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| 11:19.06 | Toastie | How does my HAL decide that the policy.desired_mount_point for my USB disk would be "usbdisk"? |
| 11:19.07 | Guerin | god I'm bad at this |
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| 11:19.19 | ceige | lol, donmai |
| 11:19.49 | Guerin | !lol |
| 11:19.49 | dpkg | [lol] Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
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| 11:20.04 | rapha | Hi all |
| 11:20.06 | iceman | !lamer |
| 11:20.07 | dpkg | BeWNNbWM RAve OR diE OmG DJ KnoPpIX?! |
| 11:20.10 | rapha | Why isn't there a gaim-dev package? |
| 11:20.12 | ceige | Gee, I feel so honored. What are you congradulating me on again? |
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| 11:24.15 | mad_ogre | do u guys know if there's a setting similar to ENV_SUPATH for sudo? |
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| 11:25.08 | mad_ogre | i kept on getting "command not found" for commands not on my default path |
| 11:25.36 | Guerin | ceige: thanks for that little perl of obveity |
| 11:25.56 | ceige | np :) Who gave it that defenition anyway? |
| 11:27.34 | mad_ogre | anyone? |
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| 11:29.06 | bob2 | doesn't it just use $PATH? |
| 11:29.45 | mad_ogre | bob2: yes, but my path doesn't have /sbin |
| 11:30.03 | mad_ogre | bob2: I would like to try and mimic su behavior |
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| 11:30.37 | bob2 | so fix your $PATH? |
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| 11:31.11 | bob2 | you coud file a wishlist bug on sudo if you think iot's really useful behaviour |
| 11:31.16 | Guerin | it's not entirely insane for a user to have /sbin and /usr/sbin in their path |
| 11:31.19 | superlinux | hello |
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| 11:31.41 | Guerin | since most of the dangerous/bad things those programs can do require root to be able to do them |
| 11:31.50 | Guerin | and many of them CAN do something useful without root |
| 11:31.52 | bob2 | I have both in mine |
| 11:32.00 | bob2 | if only so I can get to 'ip' and 'ifconfig' |
| 11:32.08 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:32.12 | superlinux | look i want to use knoppix as a production server, what do u think? |
| 11:32.20 | Guerin | superlinux: don't. |
| 11:32.23 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 11:32.28 | bob2 | also, #knoppix |
| 11:32.33 | Guerin | worst troll of 2004 |
| 11:32.48 | bob2 | yeah |
| 11:32.55 | bob2 | the username is a nice touch, tho |
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| 11:33.02 | Shadur | Guerin: There's four days and a half left by my clock. Plenty of time yet. |
| 11:33.14 | Guerin | Shadur: oh, I've no doubt that'll be bested |
| 11:34.11 | superlinux | i had the stable debian, the one before the current stable one and found that it does not autoconfig the hardware. |
| 11:34.47 | vuuhorlsu | Knoppix server might be smart. |
| 11:34.52 | vuuhorlsu | Almost unhackable. |
| 11:35.09 | Gumby | almost as slow as a 486 |
| 11:35.14 | superlinux | knoppix on HD not on CD |
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| 11:35.29 | vuuhorlsu | Gumby: Only bootup, but no running. |
| 11:35.32 | superlinux | and update to the latest |
| 11:35.41 | Assid | Shadur: it doesnt let me mount /boot |
| 11:35.47 | Gumby | vuuhorlsu: could you imagine a webserver being run off of a cdrom? |
| 11:35.53 | Gumby | mysql server? |
| 11:35.57 | Guerin | no, knoppix on a server is utterly insane |
| 11:35.59 | vuuhorlsu | Why imagine? They exist. |
| 11:36.07 | Gumby | vuuhorlsu: utterly retarded |
| 11:36.15 | vuuhorlsu | Gumby: Bah. |
| 11:36.19 | Assid | yeah.. the data directory.. the generally keep as thumb drives |
| 11:36.35 | Gumby | until the drive fills up |
| 11:36.36 | Gumby | hehe |
| 11:36.44 | superlinux | ..and is the current stable debian do harwadre autoconfig? |
| 11:36.48 | vuuhorlsu | Get a big thumb drive. |
| 11:36.55 | Cinas | I would like to know, what kernel version is the 'woody r3' based on? Please answer on priv. |
| 11:37.01 | Guerin | superlinux: what hardware do you need to configure? |
| 11:37.07 | Assid | get a monster thumb |
| 11:37.11 | superlinux | all my system |
| 11:37.11 | Guerin | Cinas: 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 |
| 11:37.18 | Gumby | vuuhorlsu: why not get a 200GB hard drive for cheaper |
| 11:37.18 | Cinas | thx |
| 11:37.19 | Gumby | lol |
| 11:37.23 | Guerin | superlinux: how the FUCK do we know what your system is? |
| 11:37.25 | superlinux | who btw cares abt that nowadays? |
| 11:37.25 | Shadur | La la la, I'm still not listeniiiiiiiing.... |
| 11:37.48 | Assid | bah.. ur worse than my last gf |
| 11:37.52 | vuuhorlsu | Gumby: Show me a 200GB hdd for $20 |
| 11:37.52 | Assid | she atleast used to listen to me |
| 11:37.55 | superlinux | in knoppix it does autoconfigure my hw |
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| 11:37.59 | Guerin | Assid: you lie |
| 11:38.06 | Guerin | superlinux: WHAT fucking hardware? |
| 11:38.10 | Gumby | vuuhorlsu: show my a "large" usb key for $20 |
| 11:38.13 | Assid | Guerin ? |
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| 11:38.13 | vuuhorlsu | Gumby: Or even $50 bucks. |
| 11:38.15 | superlinux | my PC ! |
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| 11:38.24 | Guerin | superlinux: and if you don't know, you shouldn't be running a GDMF serverA |
| 11:38.27 | vuuhorlsu | Gumby: 256MB is largish. |
| 11:38.30 | superlinux | who's else! |
| 11:38.33 | Gumby | lol |
| 11:38.34 | sobersabre | hile, i am trying to configure my console on a laptop. |
| 11:38.36 | Guerin | ok, you are a troll |
| 11:38.43 | Gumby | "largish" |
| 11:38.55 | vuuhorlsu | Gumby: 1GB is way more than enough for most web sites anyways. |
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| 11:39.04 | sobersabre | after switching from X into it - the display is dimmed/fogged. |
| 11:39.06 | Guerin | Cinas: don't message me. To choose kernels in woody, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 11:39.09 | Gumby | vuuhorlsu: and how much is a 1gb usb key? |
| 11:39.09 | Shadur | gungnir: Will one gigabyte do? |
| 11:39.22 | vuuhorlsu | Gumby: Well, try purchasing hosting sometime. You get something like 100MB. |
| 11:39.33 | Guerin | sobersabre: the default colour of a linux console is grey on black, not white on black |
| 11:39.38 | vuuhorlsu | Gumby: 1GB can be gotten for $50 after mail in rebates. |
| 11:39.39 | Shadur | Gumby: Wel, the one I bought was about E50 for one gig of USB2. |
| 11:39.40 | Gumby | why would I want to purchase hosting.. thats rediculous |
| 11:39.41 | Guerin | fyi |
| 11:39.47 | Gumby | vuuhorlsu: url please |
| 11:39.59 | Cinas | ok thx |
| 11:40.03 | vuuhorlsu | Gumby: www.bestbuy.com (wait for sale) |
| 11:40.04 | Guerin | Gumby: I can think of 100 reasons ... each of those are a megabit of bandwidth |
| 11:40.07 | sobersabre | Guerin, it seems as the black isn't so black.... but how to i change the console color then ? |
| 11:40.23 | Guerin | sobersabre: fbset might do it |
| 11:40.39 | vuuhorlsu | Gumby: I got a 1GB SD card for $40. |
| 11:40.48 | vuuhorlsu | Gumby: Even smaller than thumb drive. |
| 11:40.58 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: haha, wtf do you have to PAY for 100mb of hosting |
| 11:40.59 | Guerin | ? |
| 11:41.02 | Gumby | bot how many pc's have sd readers |
| 11:41.03 | sobersabre | fbset is it an app ? |
| 11:41.07 | Gumby | but |
| 11:41.08 | Guerin | sobersabre: yes |
| 11:41.17 | vuuhorlsu | Gumby: Get one for $4.99 |
| 11:41.26 | Guerin | and SD carden aren't supported in free software ... and can't be |
| 11:41.29 | vuuhorlsu | Gumby: www.latimes.com/printads Fry's Electronics has a sale right now. |
| 11:41.41 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: You're smoking dope. They are. |
| 11:41.49 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: no, they are not. |
| 11:41.52 | Guerin | !sd card |
| 11:41.52 | dpkg | Linux doesn't include support from SD cards because the SD Card Association license disallows open source drivers, probably because of their product's "security features" (read: soul-sucking DRM). For more information, see http://tuxmobil.org/mmc_sd_card_unix.html Some "SD Cards" seem to work in free software as MMC cards - you get the storage, but not the DRM - so they are GREAT! |
| 11:42.01 | Assid | okay im starting to lose it... is there any way i can make a reinstall of only grub/lilo without having to reinstall my entire distro? |
| 11:42.07 | Guerin | you might be using a mmc card compatibility mode |
| 11:42.08 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: That's wrong. |
| 11:42.26 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: It shows up as a SCSI drive here and works fine. |
| 11:42.33 | Guerin | but SD cards themeselves aren't supported in free software, and can't be, according to the SD Card Association License |
| 11:42.40 | zimo | is there no such thing as an external ethernet for laptop that connects with 1394? |
| 11:42.42 | helloyo | Guerin, so a card reader wouldn't work in linux for sd cards? |
| 11:42.45 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: prove me wrong. Read what I wrote very carefully. |
| 11:42.48 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Linux won't see the SD card anyways. |
| 11:42.57 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: It works with the USB drive. |
| 11:43.17 | zimo | it is ungooglable ;( |
| 11:43.23 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: SD Card functionality CANNOT BE SUPORTED BY FREE SOFTWARE. |
| 11:43.31 | Guerin | UNder any circumstances. |
| 11:43.36 | Guerin | In any case. |
| 11:43.38 | Guerin | Ever. |
| 11:43.45 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: That is WRONG. |
| 11:43.48 | Guerin | Unless the SDCA changed their license, |
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| 11:43.53 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: prove me wrong. |
| 11:43.54 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: You just can't use the Encryption. |
| 11:44.02 | hettar | My SD Card works perfectly with debian |
| 11:44.03 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: SD CARD FUNCTIONALITY. |
| 11:44.06 | Shadur | What's the SD acronym stand for? |
| 11:44.08 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: But an SD card will run AT FULL SPEED. |
| 11:44.15 | vuuhorlsu | Shadur: Secure Digital |
| 11:44.16 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: read what I FUCKING said. |
| 11:44.16 | helloyo | vuuhorlsu, isn't the encryption only used for mp3 players? |
| 11:44.23 | aikuson | my xfree wont start it says: The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: > Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols > ignoring extra symbols |
| 11:44.28 | vuuhorlsu | helloyo: It's not even used in most mp3 players. |
| 11:44.31 | aikuson | what might be wrong? |
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| 11:44.41 | sobersabre | Guerin, it is strange. i don't see /dev/fb0 and i am trying to use i810fb driver... how do i mknod the proper char dev ? |
| 11:44.44 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Read waht I fucking said. Lol. |
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| 11:44.48 | helloyo | vuuhorlsu, yeah, i don't see why it wouldn't work, the encryption is onboard anyway isn't it? |
| 11:45.01 | vuuhorlsu | helloyo: Yeah, it's onboard the card. |
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| 11:45.16 | vuuhorlsu | helloyo: But an SD card will also run w/o the encryption. |
| 11:45.19 | sobersabre | maybe let's put it this way: whre do we have dox on the subject ? |
| 11:45.26 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: I did. You clearly did not. SD CARD functionality (as disctinct from MMC Card functionality) cannot be supported in free software. Prove me wrong if you can. |
| 11:45.28 | vuuhorlsu | helloyo: Which is what the USB dongles do. |
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| 11:45.54 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: You don't understand what an SD card is. |
| 11:46.08 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: And MMC card uses the lame ass SPI serial interface toe transfer data. |
| 11:46.11 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: yes, I most assuredly do. |
| 11:46.16 | helloyo | vuuhorlsu, thanks, i just ordered a camera and was hoping i could just use its sd card in my card reader in linux no probs, luckily i can... |
| 11:46.24 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: SD cards use a parallel interface. |
| 11:46.25 | budluva | anyone here familiar with SORBS? |
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| 11:46.38 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: read the links in the above factoid THAT I CREATED specifically to make this matter clear to people like you. |
| 11:46.40 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: If you plug an SD card into a USB reader, it will use the full SD card bandwidth. |
| 11:47.12 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Then it will show up on the Linux box as a SCSI over USB drive. |
| 11:47.28 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Therefore, you do use the SD functionality (not MMC SPI). |
| 11:47.37 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: But you don't get the use the encryption features. |
| 11:47.46 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: No wonder the factoid is freaking wrong. |
| 11:47.59 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Erase it. You fucked it up. |
| 11:48.00 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: no, that's MMC compatibility functionality |
| 11:48.14 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: No, it's not. MMC uses SPI. |
| 11:48.32 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: There's a bandwidth difference. |
| 11:48.41 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: I'm not saying the SD card IS a MMC card - I'm saying it's treated as if it were by the software. |
| 11:48.50 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: I'm saying it IS NOT. |
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| 11:49.13 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: please demonstrae this. I'm happy to be proven wrong. |
| 11:49.13 | sobersabre | guys, i created: mknod fb0 c 29 0 |
| 11:49.15 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: It's is treated as an SD card by the reader. |
| 11:49.18 | sobersabre | and ran fbset |
| 11:49.24 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: and 'I said so' isn't going to cut it, sorry. |
| 11:49.30 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: All Linux knows is that the reader is a usb-storage device. |
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| 11:49.43 | sobersabre | fbset: /dev/fb0 no such device |
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| 11:50.02 | Saz|Xbox | =) |
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| 11:51.14 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: I can't because you're Joe Smoe off the street and you can't get access to the SD card specifications. |
| 11:51.20 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: You need to be a member. |
| 11:51.28 | Toastie | Anyone knows how HAL decides its prefered_mount_point name? |
| 11:51.38 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: my point EXACTLY. |
| 11:51.45 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: And you're too cheap to give up the money. |
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| 11:52.08 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: I have no use or need for it - I use CF in my camera, and harddisks elsewhere. |
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| 11:52.19 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: But if you decide to join one day, you will know that you're wrong. :) |
| 11:52.33 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: how do you know, since you're not a member? |
| 11:52.36 | Guerin | answer: he doesn't |
| 11:53.11 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: read the SDCA site, read the links above, and the links from those sites which yield a more in-depth discussion. |
| 11:53.44 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: I don't have to. I have access to the specs. |
| 11:53.53 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: I work in this area, duh. |
| 11:54.17 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: I'm supposed to believe that. |
| 11:54.34 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: You could demonstrate it... |
| 11:54.44 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Look up what I said and see if it's wrong. |
| 11:54.55 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: See if MMC does not run using SPI. |
| 11:55.07 | Guerin | I did already; I understand that. |
| 11:55.17 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: See if a USB reader doesn't get seen usb-storage. |
| 11:55.36 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.56 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Run bandwidth tests on an MMC versus an SD card on the same USB reader and see if I'm wrong. |
| 11:56.37 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: If I'm wrong, I will suck your dick and like it. |
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| 11:56.45 | Guerin | hah |
| 11:56.49 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Best there's a fat chance in hell that will come to be. |
| 11:56.52 | Guerin | threats will get you nowhere |
| 11:57.00 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: you have missed my point |
| 11:57.14 | Guerin | I've never disputed that the SD cards run at full bandwidth |
| 11:57.15 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: If I have, you've missed mine. |
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| 11:57.21 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: So we're even. |
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| 11:57.57 | Guerin | I stated the fact that SD card functionality (the thing ewhich makes them SD cards) cannot be fully utilised in free software. Simple. |
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| 11:58.02 | Assid | heya |
| 11:58.06 | Guerin | And they can't. |
| 11:58.14 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: That's where the disagreement comes about. |
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| 11:58.23 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Describe SD functionality. |
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| 11:58.44 | hettar | hmm does anything actually use the SD encryption ? |
| 11:58.47 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: That includes faster speeds compared to MMC because of the pinout AND the encryption. |
| 11:58.53 | vuuhorlsu | hettar: Nothing that I know of. |
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| 11:59.40 | vuuhorlsu | hettar: PDAs, MP3 player, most of everything does not even implement the encryption. |
| 12:00.01 | sobersabre | how can i prevent specific module loading on boot ? i am on sarge, and i have hotplug and hal running... i think one of them is the guilty. |
| 12:00.08 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: there's no encryption support, which we agree on. |
| 12:00.19 | vuuhorlsu | sober: look at /etc/modules IIRC |
| 12:00.25 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Right. I will agree to that part. |
| 12:00.39 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: But saying SD functionality does not work on Linux is wrong. |
| 12:00.51 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Because we can get the faster speeds... |
| 12:00.55 | sobersabre | ok |
| 12:01.03 | Guerin | The question now is whether the bandwidth is an issue specific to SD cards. |
| 12:01.04 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: And it's not running in MMC SPI crap. |
| 12:01.12 | Guerin | and I believe my words were "fully supported" |
| 12:01.23 | Guerin | reading the lastlog has been fun :) |
| 12:01.42 | Saz|Xbox | say, how big does this channel get? |
| 12:01.45 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: It's not at all. |
| 12:02.21 | hettar | Saz|Xbox: Depends on how big your monitor is. |
| 12:02.30 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: "<Guerin> and SD carden aren't supported in free software ... and can't be" |
| 12:02.39 | Saz|Xbox | well, my "monitor" is about 24 inches |
| 12:02.44 | Assid | is there a way to stop d-i from installing the whole tjhing.. and only get it to install grub ? |
| 12:02.46 | Guerin | OK, so in what way are SD cards supported in free software? As you've said, the SD Card bandwidth isn't a specific issue here |
| 12:02.49 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: So whatever you meant, what you said was wrong. |
| 12:02.55 | Saz|Xbox | "pillips magavox" model |
| 12:02.59 | hettar | Saz|Xbox: Then it can get to about 24 inches big :) |
| 12:03.00 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Or at least it was perceived to be wrong. |
| 12:03.12 | Saz|Xbox | well, you know what I meant |
| 12:03.29 | Saz|Xbox | how many users does this channel usually get |
| 12:03.44 | sobersabre | vuuhorlsu, i remember now: /etc/modules was touched by me, and i added the names of the modules |
| 12:03.50 | hettar | It usually has about this number in it. |
| 12:03.54 | sobersabre | that don't interfere now |
| 12:04.06 | Saz|Xbox | I wish my channels got this much people |
| 12:04.11 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Hey, you get to access SD cards at full speeds from Linux. That's good enough for me. |
| 12:04.14 | Saz|Xbox | it doesnt get much more than 50 |
| 12:04.19 | sobersabre | the ones that interfere are not in /etc/modules ... so your hint is not very helpfull |
| 12:04.24 | Assid | Guerin: is there a way to stop d-i from installing the whole tjhing.. and only get it to install grub ? |
| 12:04.26 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Nobody needs the crappy encryption anyways. |
| 12:04.38 | Saz|Xbox | its fun to /chanserv clear users though |
| 12:04.56 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: OK. the factoid needs to mention the speed difference. |
| 12:05.02 | hettar | I like encryption, but I don't know that I would trust the encryption on an SD card. It is probably some xor shite. |
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| 12:06.09 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: I suppose we could continue to argue about whether the interface is relevant, but I'm more interested in people understanding the issues than in arguing. |
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| 12:06.33 | Guerin | Assid: boot in expert |
| 12:06.36 | Guerin | ah |
| 12:06.47 | jessy | Hello there, I gonna use the Apache2.0 Webserver under Debian woody... But its only available for sarge... |
| 12:06.55 | Guerin | jessy: yes. |
| 12:07.12 | jessy | Guerin: But how could I use id? |
| 12:07.17 | jessy | Guerin: But how could I use it? |
| 12:07.26 | Guerin | jessy: you can't; unless you find a backport. |
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| 12:07.55 | hettar | jessy: compile it yourself instead of using .debs |
| 12:07.56 | iceman | jessy: search apt-get.org |
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| 12:08.08 | Guerin | no, don't build apache2 yourself |
| 12:08.19 | jessy | why ? |
| 12:08.20 | Guerin | as a lasdt resort you might backport it yourself |
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| 12:08.30 | Guerin | jessy: because you'll almost certainly fuck things up. |
| 12:08.36 | jessy | ok |
| 12:08.50 | jessy | Guerin: Is using a backport unsecure ? |
| 12:08.54 | hettar | hmm I wonder if it still has the define you can specify to get it to run as root. |
| 12:08.58 | Guerin | jessy: maybe. |
| 12:08.58 | husein | Guerin, i just have compiled 2.6.10, and problem goes on. |
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| 12:09.15 | Guerin | husein: ok. Now you can work on the problem. What error when you boot? |
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| 12:09.37 | jessy | Guerin: And a sarge system is more insecure than a woody system ?! |
| 12:09.41 | Zomb | husein: read the kernel messages, damit |
| 12:09.42 | Guerin | dpkg, sd card =~ s/storage/storage and bandwidth/ |
| 12:09.43 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 12:10.05 | Guerin | jessy: yes, with one exception - that exception currently is php. |
| 12:10.27 | husein | Guerin, Zomb : http://pastebin.com/133703 |
| 12:11.09 | jessy | Guerin: thanks |
| 12:11.16 | Zomb | husein: are you blind? Read the messages. Not the final error message. |
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| 12:11.39 | Zomb | husein: get a Knoppix and fsck it, just to be sure |
| 12:11.59 | Guerin | husein: it can't find your root. Tell the kernel where your root it. |
| 12:12.02 | Guerin | is |
| 12:12.13 | Guerin | goddamn my typistry |
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| 12:13.37 | husein | Guerin, i dont underestand when you says "it can find your root". How i must indicate it?? |
| 12:13.45 | Guerin | husein: root= |
| 12:14.02 | husein | Guerin, root??. user root?? |
| 12:14.05 | husein | ?? |
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| 12:14.37 | vuuhorlsu | husein: root drive |
| 12:14.43 | vuuhorlsu | husein: or partition |
| 12:14.46 | Zomb | husein: root file system. Get a Unix book, please. |
| 12:14.59 | Guerin | husein: man lilo.conf |
| 12:14.59 | jm_ | you should use the "word" 'rootfs' or somesuch |
| 12:15.14 | Guerin | husein: or look at a working kernel staza |
| 12:15.18 | Guerin | stanza |
| 12:15.44 | Zomb | jm_: haha. Like gas vs. gasoline. |
| 12:16.01 | jessy | Guerin: I've got Apache 1.3.26 on my system but there is a newer version 1.3.33 but I cant update to it... Have I to use for this also backporting ? |
| 12:16.17 | Guerin | jessy: you neither need nor want to backport apache |
| 12:16.48 | vuuhorlsu | Backporting apache could be fun. |
| 12:16.57 | Guerin | jessy: unless you're running a specific applications which requires a more recent version |
| 12:17.00 | Guerin | hah |
| 12:17.07 | Guerin | it is, I did it for a while |
| 12:17.26 | Guerin | but then I reverted back to the woody packages, for security |
| 12:17.31 | husein | Guerin, My lilo.conf it is so -->http://pastebin.com/133707 |
| 12:17.35 | jessy | Guerin: I just gonna run php and Perl on ut... |
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| 12:18.19 | Grant-2 | Hello hello, how do i copy a existing database to a new database either using PHPmyadmin or cui..? |
| 12:18.29 | Guerin | jessy: I suggest you use the 4.3.10 php packages from dotdeb.org, and everything else stock woody |
| 12:18.32 | husein | when you speak about where to find file system, i thing i am mapping it with boot=/dev/hda |
| 12:18.41 | husein | yes? |
| 12:18.41 | budluva | Grant-2 dump the db |
| 12:18.43 | Shadur | Grant-2: doesn't phpmyadmin have provisions for dumping to ascii? |
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| 12:18.47 | budluva | Grant-2 then import |
| 12:18.53 | Guerin | Grant-2: you don't. Grab the database files and inject them on the cli. |
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| 12:19.00 | Grant-2 | lol |
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| 12:19.04 | Grant-2 | too many answers :P |
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| 12:19.30 | Grant-2 | well Guerin, always helps me out lol, so inject them how so? |
| 12:19.41 | Grant-2 | !beer Guerin |
| 12:19.46 | zaikxtox | hello. i have problems with X server saying i830_wait_ring space: 131056 wanted: 131064 |
| 12:19.54 | zaikxtox | someone solved that on debian? |
| 12:20.01 | vuuhorlsu | !beer me |
| 12:20.08 | vuuhorlsu | !beer me again! |
| 12:20.29 | Una | hi does anyone know any way I can run su from a psedo terminal (php shell)? |
| 12:20.34 | vuuhorlsu | Crap. How many times do I have to cycle this thing to get to the good beer? |
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| 12:20.43 | Grant-2 | lol |
| 12:20.47 | husein | Guerin, have you seen that? |
| 12:20.52 | vuuhorlsu | Una: su -c will run a command. |
| 12:20.52 | phw | Una: whuh? what do you want to do? |
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| 12:20.57 | Guerin | Grant-2: mysql inject or something < database.mdb |
| 12:21.01 | Guerin | or somsuch |
| 12:21.19 | Guerin | I can't remember ottomh, but it's easy to do |
| 12:21.41 | Una | phw: basicly I need to start sshd, but only ways I have access to the system are from apache, samba and mail :) |
| 12:21.41 | Guerin | husein: I'm no longer familiar with lilo.conf. Do any of those kernels boot? |
| 12:21.42 | Grant-2 | Guerin? heh |
| 12:21.47 | Grant-2 | woops sorry |
| 12:21.52 | Grant-2 | had to scrol |
| 12:22.02 | phw | Una: ok... what kind of server is that? |
| 12:22.05 | Guerin | vuuhorlsu: what's the good beer? |
| 12:22.15 | phw | Guerin: Göller Bräu |
| 12:22.23 | phw | Guerin: at least my collegues tell me so |
| 12:22.23 | Una | phw: its just a web server but im 200 miles away from it |
| 12:22.27 | husein | Guerin, 2.6.0 and 2.6.10 dont boot |
| 12:22.35 | Guerin | can you do that in unicode so I don't have to imaging the umlauten? |
| 12:22.40 | Guerin | husein: the others do? |
| 12:22.48 | vuuhorlsu | Guerin: Heinekin |
| 12:22.51 | Una | phw: was thinking of uploading a php script to start sshd but carnt pass su password to it |
| 12:22.53 | Guerin | oh ffs |
| 12:22.54 | phw | Una: well ok, but doing something as root via php could possibly be a security risk |
| 12:22.58 | Guerin | heineken isn't good beer |
| 12:23.01 | vuuhorlsu | Una: Sure you can. |
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| 12:23.07 | phw | Una: an i see |
| 12:23.16 | vuuhorlsu | Una: su -c /etc/init.d/sshd |
| 12:23.20 | Guerin | jesus, just run a sshd all the time |
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| 12:23.32 | phw | Guerin: Goeller Braeu (ae = the a with 2 dots) |
| 12:23.34 | Guerin | or run it out of inetd if you feel like being really stupid |
| 12:23.40 | Una | vuuhorlsu: I have no ssh access you see |
| 12:23.40 | Guerin | yeah |
| 12:23.51 | husein | Guerin, only the one which comes with my distribution |
| 12:23.56 | vuuhorlsu | Una: system or exec it |
| 12:23.59 | Una | wont I just get, "su: must be run from a terminal" |
| 12:24.08 | Guerin | Göller Bräue |
| 12:24.09 | Fester420 | hello |
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| 12:24.15 | vuuhorlsu | Una: Shouldn't. |
| 12:24.24 | Fester420 | what file types does debain use |
| 12:24.36 | Guerin | husein: you built those 2.6 kernels yourself, right |
| 12:24.37 | Shadur | Fester420: Um.... all of them? |
| 12:24.37 | Guerin | '? |
| 12:24.42 | Fester420 | rpm |
| 12:24.44 | Guerin | Fester420: the types which are good |
| 12:24.48 | Guerin | .deb |
| 12:24.49 | Shadur | Fester420: It'd help if you asked an actual question. |
| 12:24.49 | Una | thats what I get in php shell running it as a normal user, so I guessed it would be the same if I tried to run a php script to exec it |
| 12:24.49 | phw | Guerin well... no idea of it, i am not into beer |
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| 12:25.04 | Shadur | Fester420: Oh, you mean what *package* file types. That'd be .deb |
| 12:25.04 | Grant-2 | Guerin grr stupid MYSQL website has no documentation.. |
| 12:25.08 | husein | Guerin: yes |
| 12:25.14 | Fester420 | can u use rpm files with debain |
| 12:25.15 | Shadur | Grant-2: apt-get install mysql-doc |
| 12:25.17 | phw | he wants to run a command via a php script that does commit a command as root |
| 12:25.27 | Una | yep |
| 12:25.29 | Shadur | Fester420: Why would you want to? rpms are crap |
| 12:25.35 | Fester420 | iam lazy |
| 12:25.38 | vuuhorlsu | Una: Did you redirect input? |
| 12:25.38 | phw | crappily crap |
| 12:25.52 | Shadur | Fester420: Why not apt-get whatever package you're looking for? |
| 12:26.02 | Fester420 | that works |
| 12:26.07 | iceman | apt-get is gods gift to the lazy bum |
| 12:26.12 | Fester420 | is debain worth the dl |
| 12:26.19 | Una | vuuhorlsu: hmm redirect input sorry? |
| 12:26.20 | iceman | no, not worth it |
| 12:26.22 | Guerin | Grant-2: man mysql |
| 12:26.24 | phw | Fester420 i think so |
| 12:26.26 | jm_ | Una: you will get that error since it will ask you for a password |
| 12:26.30 | Fester420 | i use suse |
| 12:26.30 | phw | Fester420 i just switched |
| 12:26.33 | Fester420 | and lycoris |
| 12:26.39 | vuuhorlsu | Una: Well, you need to pass a password to it somehow. |
| 12:26.40 | phw | Fester420 what are you using it for |
| 12:26.42 | Shadur | Wouldn't it be safer to write a ten-line proggy in C that ignores argv[], runs setuid(0), starts sshd, and exits? |
| 12:26.43 | Guerin | Fester420: debian is the best OS there is. |
| 12:26.48 | Fester420 | lol |
| 12:26.56 | phw | Guerin in this channel at last.. |
| 12:26.58 | Fester420 | what version kde does it use |
| 12:27.02 | Guerin | !tell Fester420 about why debian |
| 12:27.11 | Guerin | !tell phw about why debian |
| 12:27.16 | phw | hehe |
| 12:27.22 | Fester420 | thank you |
| 12:27.24 | Guerin | phw: it's just that some people don't realise it yet |
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| 12:27.35 | vuuhorlsu | Shadur: He only needs it for this one time that something is broken if I get him right. |
| 12:27.38 | Fester420 | suse people are dicks |
| 12:27.41 | Una | vuuhorlsu: yeah was thinking of proc_open to do it but im not sure that will get it |
| 12:27.44 | Fester420 | you guys are friendly |
| 12:27.47 | osiris_22 | suse people arnt dicks lmao |
| 12:27.48 | osiris_22 | haha |
| 12:27.49 | Shadur | Fester420: 3.3's in sid, ask in #debian-kde for more 'leet' versions |
| 12:27.54 | phw | Guerin oh yes, now i see the light ... hehe |
| 12:28.13 | Shadur | Fester420: We've also got gnome 2.8, which sucks a lot less than KDE. |
| 12:28.27 | Guerin | debatable |
| 12:28.29 | Fester420 | ok |
| 12:28.30 | vuuhorlsu | Una: Did you try echo "password" > su -c /etc/init.d/sshd? |
| 12:28.36 | Fester420 | one more ques before i switch |
| 12:28.37 | phw | Guerin no seriously i really do like debian for my pcs at home.... but if i run uname.... it return "Darwin" |
| 12:28.40 | vuuhorlsu | Una: You'd have to do a system on that. |
| 12:28.51 | phw | Una NO! |
| 12:28.54 | phw | use a pipe |
| 12:28.55 | phw | | |
| 12:28.56 | Fester420 | who in here has an nvidia card |
| 12:29.05 | Guerin | Fester420: I have two |
| 12:29.12 | Una | oki ty |
| 12:29.13 | Fester420 | how are the drivers |
| 12:29.15 | phw | not a "greater as" symbox |
| 12:29.18 | Guerin | Fester420: perfect |
| 12:29.19 | phw | symbol |
| 12:29.29 | Grant-2 | argh |
| 12:29.33 | Fester420 | and java |
| 12:29.35 | Guerin | phw: meh, OSX |
| 12:29.49 | vuuhorlsu | phw: crap. Yeah. I screwed that up. |
| 12:29.57 | Guerin | I might consider running OSX if it was free software |
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| 12:30.14 | jes-o-mat | hi |
| 12:30.22 | Fester420 | is java easy to install |
| 12:30.29 | jes-o-mat | how can I figure out if my computer has a pci express slot (remotely) ? |
| 12:30.41 | jes-o-mat | Fester420: yes, somehow |
| 12:30.50 | phw | Guerin: yeah... and i am opendarwin developer.... |
| 12:31.00 | Fester420 | ok will debian c my windows partition |
| 12:31.15 | jes-o-mat | see? |
| 12:31.20 | Fester420 | yes |
| 12:31.41 | jes-o-mat | if you like, you can mount your windows partition |
| 12:31.50 | Fester420 | ok |
| 12:31.53 | Fester420 | iam hooked |
| 12:31.57 | Fester420 | iam going debain |
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| 12:32.07 | iceman | go johnny go |
| 12:32.38 | Fester420 | o geeze |
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| 12:32.44 | Fester420 | where on debian.org |
| 12:32.50 | Fester420 | do i get the iso's |
| 12:33.13 | jes-o-mat | do you have an broadband internet connection? |
| 12:33.17 | Fester420 | yes |
| 12:33.23 | Fester420 | 3 mb/s |
| 12:33.25 | jes-o-mat | then use the netinstaller |
| 12:33.49 | Fester420 | my broadband isnt that stable |
| 12:34.06 | jes-o-mat | which arch (x86?) |
| 12:34.16 | Fester420 | 1686 |
| 12:34.23 | Guerin | stability doesn't matter that much when doing as netinstall |
| 12:34.25 | Fester420 | i686 |
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| 12:34.38 | Guerin | !tell Fester420 about d-i |
| 12:34.38 | jes-o-mat | do you have a router, or do you connect to your ISP using your PC? |
| 12:34.48 | osiris_22 | you dont undersstand his internet dies alot |
| 12:34.58 | phw | !tell phw about 42 |
| 12:34.59 | Guerin | phw: oh, the free darwin? |
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| 12:35.42 | Fester420 | i dont want a netinstall |
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| 12:35.50 | Guerin | hrm |
| 12:35.51 | iceman | then don't use a netinstall |
| 12:35.53 | Guerin | darwin IS free |
| 12:36.01 | Fester420 | i would pefer the iso's |
| 12:36.05 | jes-o-mat | Fester420: then download the full image |
| 12:36.06 | iceman | then use the isos |
| 12:36.07 | Fester420 | for the os collection |
| 12:36.07 | phw | Guerin: exactly |
| 12:36.11 | Guerin | interesting, i thought it was always under apple control |
| 12:36.13 | Fester420 | i cant find that |
| 12:36.20 | iceman | look again |
| 12:36.27 | jes-o-mat | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 12:36.34 | Guerin | the ISOs are basically useless |
| 12:36.36 | jes-o-mat | choose a mirror of your choice |
| 12:36.41 | phw | !tell phw about monty python |
| 12:36.53 | jes-o-mat | !tell jes-o-mat about monty python |
| 12:37.05 | jes-o-mat | lol |
| 12:37.16 | Pimpinella | Guerin: piping works in my chroot after mounting proc |
| 12:37.26 | Fester420 | 7 iso's right |
| 12:37.27 | phw | Guerin: it is not. Apple take enhancements puts their own in it and releases that as update. shortly after the update their enhancements are open sourced |
| 12:37.51 | Pimpinella | Guerin: will i have to do this only once? |
| 12:38.10 | jes-o-mat | Fester420: the first iso should fid your needs |
| 12:38.19 | Fester420 | ok |
| 12:38.25 | osiris_22 | why are you people mean... |
| 12:38.25 | Guerin | phw: I'm just reading the faq on opendarwin.org now :) |
| 12:38.27 | phw | !tell phw about space balls |
| 12:38.33 | StM2 | kan apt-get work from files from internet? |
| 12:38.41 | Guerin | osiris_22: why are people stupid? |
| 12:38.48 | phw | hehe |
| 12:38.49 | Guerin | StM2: yes. |
| 12:38.51 | StM2 | how |
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| 12:39.01 | phw | Guerin: no he said mean. |
| 12:39.07 | Guerin | StM2: apt-get install <packagename> |
| 12:39.20 | Guerin | StM2: if apt can't find the file locally, it'll get it from a repository |
| 12:39.21 | StM2 | he can't finf the packages |
| 12:39.34 | Guerin | StM2: what packages? |
| 12:39.36 | osiris_22 | well you coulda helped the newb out ya know |
| 12:39.55 | Guerin | osiris_22: you mean fester? |
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| 12:40.06 | osiris_22 | yes |
| 12:40.11 | osiris_22 | i mean fester |
| 12:40.41 | Guerin | we helped him out alright |
| 12:41.07 | osiris_22 | Hes used to SuSE |
| 12:41.15 | Guerin | osiris_22: so? |
| 12:41.17 | miguens | how can i do to download distro package stable but i am using testing version? |
| 12:41.32 | StM2 | exim4 |
| 12:41.33 | Guerin | miguens: you almost certainly don't want to |
| 12:41.38 | osiris_22 | Hes new to this whole linux thing |
| 12:41.57 | Guerin | osiris_22: no, he's used to suse. suse is a distribution of linux. |
| 12:42.03 | Guerin | and gnu |
| 12:42.09 | Guerin | !rmssmite me |
| 12:42.10 | iceman | just because someone has the unfortune of being stupid does not justify you being mean to them |
| 12:42.21 | jessy | Guerin: What are you thinking about php5 ? |
| 12:42.34 | Guerin | jessy: I try to think about it as little as possible. |
| 12:43.00 | jessy | Guerin: ?! is it not good ? |
| 12:43.07 | Guerin | jessy: I prefer to use software that's been well tested and thrashed free of nastiness. php5 is not that. |
| 12:43.11 | jessy | Guerin: ok thanks |
| 12:43.28 | jessy | Guerin: thats what I thought and want to hear |
| 12:43.30 | jessy | ;) |
| 12:43.39 | phw | yeah you are in #debian |
| 12:43.42 | Guerin | !qotd19 |
| 12:43.43 | dpkg | well, qotd19 is <Overfiend> "PHP 5! Now with Zend-enhanced multicrashing! Reserve your copy today!" |
| 12:43.47 | phw | conservative software friends |
| 12:43.50 | phw | hehe |
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| 12:44.19 | miguens | why? |
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| 12:45.27 | miguens | I want to use a package that only existing on stable |
| 12:46.32 | TCW | Just if someone wants to know... sarge is stable... at least refering to a german linux magazine ;) |
| 12:46.54 | Guerin | jesus |
| 12:46.58 | Guerin | fucking germans |
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| 12:47.06 | Guerin | miguens: which package? |
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| 12:47.34 | miguens | amavis-postfix |
| 12:47.38 | TCW | Guerin, hey!! :p |
| 12:47.39 | phw | Guerin: thanks =) |
| 12:48.14 | Guerin | TCW: yeah, i said that for a reason :) |
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| 12:49.20 | StM2 | who can you kill the debian firewall |
| 12:49.26 | phw | We Germans are not all smiles und sunshine! |
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| 12:50.20 | da_bon_bon | hi all. |
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| 12:50.31 | jessy | Guerin: I updatet my sources.list with the dotdeb sources but when I ty apt-cache show php4 I got also the old version... not the 4.3. Where is my mistake ? |
| 12:50.33 | Guerin | miguens: ok. Why do you want that version in preference to the postfix packages in sarge? |
| 12:50.40 | da_bon_bon | can anyone here provide me with a lil help on knoppix ? |
| 12:51.02 | Guerin | jessy: you get them both> The dotdeb package should take precedence. if in doubt, use apt-cache policy php4 |
| 12:51.10 | Guerin | da_bon_bon: #knoppix |
| 12:51.27 | TCW | Guerin, would you be so kind and say the reason? :) |
| 12:51.28 | da_bon_bon | Guerin: no one responds there. anyone here able to help ? |
| 12:51.32 | phw | Guerin #knoppis is a graveyard |
| 12:51.55 | jessy | Guerin: When I gonna install it... it will bene new version... |
| 12:51.59 | phw | da_bon_bon if i understand you right this is not a knoppix-problem but something more of a plain-problem |
| 12:52.03 | jessy | Guerin: yes ? |
| 12:52.25 | Guerin | TCW: oh, just that they published the magazine with the wrong facts. Could just as easily have been the french, the swiss, the japanese, or the samoans... |
| 12:52.33 | Guerin | jessy: try apt-cache policy |
| 12:52.37 | Guerin | and you'll see |
| 12:52.42 | jessy | Guerin: That works.. |
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| 12:52.49 | fusion | Uhm..is there a way to tell debian that my CPU is not an amdathlon xp 1500+? but instead a 2700+? |
| 12:52.55 | da_bon_bon | phw: hey, you are here too :) :) |
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| 12:53.04 | jessy | Guerin: but during install it will install the newest verstion ?! |
| 12:53.07 | Guerin | fusion: get a 2700+ ? |
| 12:53.12 | Guerin | jessy: I hope so. |
| 12:53.14 | phw | hehe |
| 12:53.22 | fusion | ...I have a 2700+ |
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| 12:53.31 | jessy | Guerin: thanks again :) |
| 12:53.38 | phw | fusion: you should talk to the strange guy you bought your pc from |
| 12:53.45 | fusion | er no |
| 12:53.53 | Guerin | phw: apply the eyeometer |
| 12:53.55 | fusion | It didn't say it last time I installed debian.. |
| 12:54.02 | TCW | Guerin, in this case it was a add and not a report in taht magazine. |
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| 12:54.03 | fusion | and BIOS says its 2700+ |
| 12:54.05 | da_bon_bon | phw: i think its mrope of a knoppix related problem, since ubuntu works fine. |
| 12:54.23 | Guerin | TCW: is it online? Whose ad was it? |
| 12:54.28 | phw | Guerin: what eyeometer? (i dont get it) |
| 12:54.34 | Guerin | !eyeometer |
| 12:54.34 | dpkg | if you don't know, FUCKING LOOK AT IT. |
| 12:54.54 | da_bon_bon | omore |
| 12:54.54 | da_bon_bon | **more |
| 12:55.04 | Guerin | to 'use the eyeometer' is to jusdge something jjust by looking at it |
| 12:55.06 | phw | da_bon_bon then try to boot in failsafe mode |
| 12:55.10 | da_bon_bon | ok. |
| 12:55.19 | Guerin | like 'the eyeometer said he was about 6 feet tall' |
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| 12:55.23 | phw | Guerin: well i know but i dont get the reference because you told it to me |
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| 12:55.52 | lanzm | hello |
| 12:56.05 | jessy | Guerin: I gonna install php as CGI with suPHP... or is that not a good idea? Sorry for this amount of questions.. but you're a good helper... |
| 12:56.18 | xpato | what this mean and why is happening? Out of Memory: Killed process 3886 |
| 12:56.22 | da_bon_bon | anyone know about this: http://www.mslinux.org/ |
| 12:56.24 | Guerin | jessy: I have no idea. Apply the law of WIDHE. |
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| 12:56.45 | drac | fusion: just fix your bios settings, from 100 to 133mhz. |
| 12:56.48 | da_bon_bon | whatrs widhe? |
| 12:56.48 | lanzm | I have system usage of around 50% and user usage of nearly 50% but no process are visible that use so much cpu. anyone ? |
| 12:56.50 | da_bon_bon | :D |
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| 12:56.57 | fusion | drac: the BIOS says its 2700+ |
| 12:57.12 | TCW | Guerin, I don't think so... "Linux-Magazin" publischer "Linux New Media AG", they do have a website, but I don't think that peticular add is there also. |
| 12:57.16 | drac | fusion: so what? you still have wrong mhz settings there. ;) |
| 12:57.25 | drac | fusion: 133 would be correct. |
| 12:57.26 | Guerin | fusion: so /proc/cpuinfo says it's a 1300? |
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| 12:57.37 | fusion | Guerin: a 1500 |
| 12:57.40 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:57.54 | lanzm | dme |
| 12:58.01 | TCW | Guerin, and the add was from "Linuxland" (www.linuxland.de) a company which sells different Linux distributions on CD or DVD |
| 12:58.02 | Guerin | fusion: how many mhz? |
| 12:58.14 | Guerin | TCW: ah, cheers. |
| 12:58.21 | TCW | Guerin, for what? |
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| 12:58.27 | fusion | 1302.98MHz |
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| 12:58.53 | Guerin | TCW: just for letting me know who |
| 12:59.02 | drac | fusion: as I said, you don't have correct multiply factors on your bios settings. change it to 133 ;) |
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| 12:59.06 | drac | goddammit. |
| 12:59.07 | hackeron | anyone knows how to convert APE to FLAC in linux? |
| 12:59.15 | TCW | Guerin, ah... you're welcome :) |
| 12:59.25 | fusion | drac: and as I have said, BIOS says it is 2700+ :) |
| 12:59.36 | PerfDave | APE? |
| 12:59.46 | da_bon_bon | phw: brb |
| 12:59.56 | drac | fusion: yea, my bios also says it's 2200+ but works only as 1500+ when using 100, you should change the shit to 133. |
| 13:00.19 | Guerin | http://www.linuxland.de/katalog/01_linuxdistri_bs/debian/debianupdate/framify |
| 13:00.19 | PerfDave | hackeron: No idea what APE is, but you probably want either mplayer or sox. |
| 13:00.25 | Guerin | damn, that's just wrong |
| 13:00.27 | fusion | drac: It also says running at 2.2GHz |
| 13:00.37 | Guerin | sicher - schnell - stabil |
| 13:00.41 | Guerin | oh dear |
| 13:00.46 | hackeron | PerfDave: mplayer doesnt handle APE |
| 13:01.02 | Guerin | hackeron: you want mac, from rarewares |
| 13:01.07 | Guerin | !rarewares |
| 13:01.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rarewares is a repository for many media apps. http://rarewares.org. Sid packages in deb http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable ./ or deb http://feayn.org/~lewis/rarewares/unstable ./ |
| 13:01.17 | fusion | which is "underclocked" because they're meant to go at 2.5GHz right? |
| 13:01.18 | PerfDave | What is APE anyway? |
| 13:01.21 | da_bon_bon | hey i will brb after reboot. |
| 13:01.21 | Guerin | !ape |
| 13:01.21 | dpkg | i heard ape is http://www.monkeysaudio.com, or but unfortunately not available for *nix yet, there have been successes installing ape with wine though, or http://www.krokant.org/monkey_audio/ for linux instructions |
| 13:01.29 | Guerin | hrm |
| 13:01.34 | Guerin | !mac |
| 13:01.34 | dpkg | Apple Macintoshes are prime candidates for Debian installs, at least the m68k-based ones. or acceptable in many powerpc forms... Ask Peidran about that... or Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs, or the hardware address of a network card, or the name of Apple computers. MAC, Media Access Control |
| 13:01.39 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 13:02.04 | Guerin | it's a totally fucking stupid and braindead lossy-or-lossless audio codec |
| 13:02.07 | phw | !tell phw reiserfsck |
| 13:02.13 | phw | !tell phw reiser |
| 13:02.15 | phw | !tell phw reiserfs |
| 13:02.23 | Guerin | phw: /msg dpkg ricerfs |
| 13:02.25 | PerfDave | Guerin: Hmm. And you have to download it to read the FAQ, that's a bit shit |
| 13:02.32 | Guerin | it's utter shit |
| 13:02.37 | Guerin | I'm about to change the factoid |
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| 13:02.57 | phw | Guerin uh.... why is there no reiserfsck... damn.. |
| 13:03.53 | PerfDave | phw: Because people who use reiserfs obviously don't care about their data? ;) |
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| 13:04.26 | phw | PerfDave ah thats why. thanks |
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| 13:05.57 | Guerin | dpkg, no, ape is see http://monkeysaudio.com - an inefficient and non-free lossless audio compression scheme which seems like it really was written by a monkey, and was developed on and for windows (and it shows). Sid debs are available from <rarewares>, but since there's only a decoder, not a player, it's basically only useful for decoding and re-encoding as flac. Did I mention how shit this is yet? |
| 13:06.04 | Guerin | oh damn |
| 13:06.04 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 13:06.13 | Guerin | no? not too long? |
| 13:07.05 | Guerin | I wrote a script which will play them from the cli too, if anyone cares |
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| 13:09.47 | hackeron | Guerin: err, I cant find 'mac' at rarewares |
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| 13:09.56 | Shufla | hello |
| 13:10.26 | PerfDave | Guerin: Are these ape things popular enough to warrant that? I'd never heard of them before. |
| 13:10.31 | PerfDave | Guerin: Why do people use APE and not FLAC? |
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| 13:11.53 | Guerin | hackeron: monkeys-audio - monkey's audio lossless audio codec - binary |
| 13:12.01 | hackeron | Guerin: hmm, ok |
| 13:12.26 | hackeron | Guerin: hard to navigate on the site, all links take you to external sites. |
| 13:12.26 | Guerin | PerfDave: some braindead windows weenies encode they shit to ape, for reasons unknown |
| 13:12.41 | Guerin | hackeron: yeah, I recommend just adding the repository |
| 13:12.51 | dijz | hi, do last xlix is poor? i upgrade my system, testing, and now i have problems |
| 13:12.55 | hackeron | Guerin: ok, thanks. |
| 13:12.59 | dijz | hi, do last xliB is poor? i upgrade my system, testing, and now i have problems |
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| 13:13.36 | PerfDave | Guerin: Ah, there's no actual advantage to it, it's just yet more "people are stupid"? |
| 13:13.44 | Guerin | PerfDave: another shit (and non-free) codec which sees a lot of use is shorten - but that's because it was a very early lossless codec |
| 13:13.55 | Guerin | PerfDave: as far as I can see, yeah. |
| 13:14.09 | PerfDave | Guerin: That's truly fucked up. At least WMA is built in to Windows, so there's some excuse for people using it. People are actually going out of their way to use this APE crap. |
| 13:14.15 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 13:15.07 | Guerin | I suppose people might not ntice how much cpu it burns on modern systems, but on my p2-233 music player, it's the difference between playing smoothly while doing other shit, and shipping every time I do anything which wants cpu |
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| 13:16.01 | Guerin | whereas playing flac, mp3, ogg, wma, m4a, shn, mpc or anything else on this box is smooth as the proverbial baby's arse |
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| 13:18.14 | StM2 | apt-get update && apt-get install postfix postfix-tls proftpd-mysql courier-authdaemon courier-base courier-imap courier-maildrop courier-pop libberkeleydb-perl libcrypt-blowfish-perl libcrypt-cbc-perl libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl libdate-calc-perl libdate-manip-perl libdbd-mysql-perl libdbi-perl libio-stringy-perl libmail-sendmail-perl libmailtools-perl libmd5-perl libmime-base64-perl libmime-perl libnet-dns-perl libnet-netmask-perl libnet-pe |
| 13:18.22 | StM2 | zo must i instal vhcs |
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| 13:18.32 | StM2 | but he can't find the packages |
| 13:18.33 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 13:19.09 | jessy | How could I show with apt the installed |
| 13:19.14 | jessy | How could I show with apt the installed Version of a package? |
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| 13:19.35 | Guerin | jessy: apt-cache policy |
| 13:19.47 | Guerin | jessy: or dpkg -l |
| 13:19.52 | jessy | that shows the lokal installed version ? |
| 13:19.59 | Guerin | affirmative |
| 13:19.59 | a-atwood_home | aye |
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| 13:20.32 | pzn | Hi folks! I am migrating a debian from mbox to maildir. smtp/pop are already working with maildir. is there any tool to convert old mboxes to maildir? |
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| 13:21.40 | PerfDave | pzn: apt-cache search mbox maildir |
| 13:22.13 | a-atwood_home | should I be able to just do a 'net install with the rescue, bin, and driver floppies? I seem to remember doing it that way, altho I also installed the base with floppies a few times also. |
| 13:22.19 | xk | What's the proper way to file a bug, together with a patch? |
| 13:22.24 | PerfDave | a-atwood_home: Read the Installation Manual |
| 13:22.30 | PerfDave | xk: apt-get install reportbug querybts |
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| 13:22.58 | xk | querybts does not exist. is that in unstable only? |
| 13:23.18 | xk | python, bleh. |
| 13:23.46 | a-atwood_home | PerfDave: did. which seemed to indicate that I could. but was having a very bad day yesterday. had to deal w/ wife's Windoze laptop, and brain was corrupted. 8\ |
| 13:23.54 | Gumby | I am trying to remember the name of a program/package that is a shell and everything you type in that shell is put into a script for you automatically. anyone have any idea what I am talking about? |
| 13:24.11 | Guerin | Gumby: ITYM cat |
| 13:24.12 | Gumby | autoSOMETHING |
| 13:24.13 | J_P | hey all, anyone here have problem with deinterlace argument in after compile vlc(not .deb) in sarge ? |
| 13:24.14 | pzn | PerfDave, got mb2md as answer. and it worked as expected. thanks. |
| 13:24.24 | jessy | Guerin: I tried to install php4.3 as CGI with suPHP I installed suPHP and configured the httpd.conf (loadmodule, suphpengie on and application-x) but php doesn't work... Can you help me, where could be my mistake ? |
| 13:24.27 | Gumby | Guerin: hehe, no thats not it |
| 13:24.45 | Guerin | jessy: you might have to add a handler |
| 13:24.46 | xk | hrm. |
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| 13:26.00 | jessy | Guerin: Can you tell me please how the handler is called ? |
| 13:26.04 | PerfDave | J_P: Why did you compile vlc? |
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| 13:26.42 | Guerin | jessy: read the apache documentation. add a line like AddHandler .php some-app-which-runs-php-files to your httpd.conf |
| 13:26.49 | Gumby | Guerin: I was thinking of expect/autoexpect |
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| 13:26.57 | Guerin | Gumby: oh. |
| 13:26.57 | J_P | PerfDave: becouse .deb not have --enable-speex and others options where i need! |
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| 13:27.26 | PerfDave | J_P: So enable it. |
| 13:27.29 | Guerin | J_P: did you build from debian source, or upstream? |
| 13:27.33 | takatumi | !test |
| 13:27.33 | dpkg | Yes, takatumi, you're still online. |
| 13:27.34 | PerfDave | J_P: Did you compile from Debian source or upstream? |
| 13:27.35 | jessy | Guerin: I thin I did already: AddHandler x-httpd-php .php |
| 13:27.38 | PerfDave | Argh, I am guerin :) |
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| 13:27.57 | Guerin | hahaha |
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| 13:28.19 | PerfDave | Guerin: We are clearly being subsumed into the #debian groupmind. |
| 13:28.46 | Guerin | jessy: ok, then I don't know what the bag is from here. It Just Works for me. |
| 13:28.51 | Guerin | PerfDave: most assuredly |
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| 13:28.59 | J_P | PerfDave: upstream(from download.videolan.org). |
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| 13:29.24 | Guerin | J_P: then complain to them |
| 13:29.25 | PerfDave | J_P: OK. Firstly, type "/msg dpkg usrlocal" because you almost certainly fucked that up. |
| 13:29.25 | jessy | Guerin: I'm sorry I misread it It was an AddType statement... |
| 13:29.29 | J_P | PerfDave: from http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-sources.html |
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| 13:29.39 | PerfDave | J_P: Secondly, read the APT HOWTO on working with Debian source packages to change compile options |
| 13:29.41 | jessy | Guerin: I got now a Internal Server Error |
| 13:29.44 | Guerin | jessy: ok, you need a php handler too |
| 13:29.56 | PerfDave | J_P: Thirdly, if you have a problem with upstream source, complain to the upstream source people, not Debian. |
| 13:30.01 | Guerin | jessy: then your confic is broken. Fix it., |
| 13:30.08 | J_P | PerfDave: i know as get source from debian source.. I only try from videolna.org |
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| 13:30.23 | PerfDave | J_P: Please try to type coherently. |
| 13:30.25 | J_P | PerfDave: ok!! i forget do with debian source ok |
| 13:30.53 | PerfDave | J_P: You'll want to "make uninstall" your upstream source tree, and "apt-get --purge remove" your Debian vlc packages before you do anything else. |
| 13:31.01 | J_P | PerfDave: i go compile with vlc debian source now! thanks.. |
| 13:31.20 | PerfDave | J_P: Best of luck. |
| 13:31.37 | pmiller9 | I'm having trouble w/ modutils (debian/sid). I created file /etc/modutils/sb16 with "options snd-sb16 port=0x220 mpu_port=0x330 fm_port=0x388 irq=5 dma8=1 dma16=5 isapnp=0 enable=1" in it and ran update-modules; modprobe -v snd-sb16. The output shows that it doesn't use the module options. How do I fix this??? /etc/modules.conf appears correct |
| 13:31.53 | Guerin | TCW: ping |
| 13:32.02 | TCW | Guerin, pong |
| 13:32.09 | J_P | PerfDave: Thanks you! |
| 13:32.20 | Guerin | TCW: interesting thing with that ad |
| 13:32.28 | TCW | Guerin, why? |
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| 13:33.13 | Guerin | TCW: from http://www.linuxland.de/katalog/01_linuxdistri_bs/debian/debianupdate/framify they link to http://www.opensourcefactory.com/debian31.phtml which contains what seems to me to be a pretty clear indication of the debian release plans |
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| 13:33.35 | helpmewithiso | can i extract a .iso to a folder with winrar and then burn it??? my burn software doesnt support isos\ |
| 13:33.45 | jessy | Guerin: Have you got a Tip what it could be? The suphp in the http.conf must it be in a special order ? for example before the AddHandler x-httpd-php .php statement ? |
| 13:33.47 | Guerin | so while the ad itself might be misleading, they're clearly aware of the vagaries of a debian release schedule |
| 13:33.58 | helpmewithiso | can i extract a .iso to a folder with winrar and then burn it??? my burn software doesnt support isos? |
| 13:34.10 | Guerin | jessy: I'm not an apache geek; ask in #apach or #php |
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| 13:34.13 | tarzeau | helpmewithiso: can you stop repeating? |
| 13:34.14 | jetscreamer | yes you can |
| 13:34.16 | TCW | Guerin, lemm see... one sec |
| 13:34.17 | Guerin | #apache, I mean |
| 13:34.20 | jetscreamer | you can mount the iso |
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| 13:34.25 | jetscreamer | you can burn the iso |
| 13:34.30 | jetscreamer | you can stuff the iso |
| 13:34.33 | jessy | Guerin: I think you're ;) |
| 13:34.45 | tarzeau | helpmewithiso: do you have a linux system with a cd burner? |
| 13:34.47 | helpmewithiso | jetscreamer: i used partetitions and now my whole pc doesnt work |
| 13:34.53 | jetscreamer | ooops |
| 13:34.56 | helpmewithiso | i only got windows 98 here to burn |
| 13:35.02 | tarzeau | helpmewithiso: how should debian people know how to burn cd on windows 98? |
| 13:35.13 | jetscreamer | use some shareware burner stuff |
| 13:35.19 | jetscreamer | alchol120 |
| 13:35.26 | jetscreamer | or something |
| 13:35.33 | helpmewithiso | no but i asked if i can extract the sarge iso to a folder with winrar and then burn it, will it boot then |
| 13:35.42 | jetscreamer | yes you can |
| 13:35.46 | tarzeau | helpmewithiso: what's a folder? |
| 13:35.54 | jetscreamer | but why extract? |
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| 13:36.01 | tarzeau | helpmewithiso: if you extract the iso, you'll get files, if you burn files, the cd won't boot |
| 13:36.01 | jetscreamer | you d/l the iso |
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| 13:36.09 | helpmewithiso | folder== a map like c:\winblows |
| 13:36.14 | jetscreamer | !tell helpmewithiso about d-i |
| 13:36.25 | tarzeau | helpmewithiso: oh you mean directory, a file |
| 13:36.33 | jetscreamer | a folder is a pretty picture you've been brainwashed to think really means something |
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| 13:36.35 | helpmewithiso | jetscreamer i downloaded it |
| 13:36.41 | helpmewithiso | but cant burn it |
| 13:36.42 | jetscreamer | ok burn it |
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| 13:36.44 | tarzeau | dpkg folder |
| 13:36.44 | dpkg | somebody said folder was a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 13:36.49 | jetscreamer | get something that can burn it |
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| 13:37.01 | Guerin | TCW: if my deutschsprechen sk1lz server me: To Clarify: The Debian project don't traditionally use a concrete realease date. So, the sdates given here aren unofficial - we obviously don't have all the information available to the debian project. [usw] |
| 13:37.07 | jetscreamer | there's lots of shareware out there <--poet |
| 13:37.13 | a-atwood_home | i know roxio can burn iso's |
| 13:37.20 | tarzeau | cdrecord can too |
| 13:37.23 | Guerin | ignore the typos, if you can :) |
| 13:37.30 | jetscreamer | gah time to do the work thing |
| 13:37.34 | StM2 | why couldn't apt-get download from i-net? |
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| 13:37.46 | TCW | Hinweis zum Liefertermin: Selbstverständlich können wir Debian "Sarge erst dann ausliefern, wenn die Entwickler es für "stable" erklären. Nach diesem Zeitpunkt geht die Produktion los. Auf der Webseite des Herstellers, der Open Source Factory, finden Sie zu diesem Thema weitere Informationen. <<--- Guerin, that means "Note for the delivery date: for sure we will deliver sarge AFTER the ppl at debian release sarge as stable..." I didn't check the |
| 13:37.46 | TCW | website befor, but with this "disclaimer" the add would be somehow ok, without, for sure it would be a lie. |
| 13:37.52 | jessy | Guerin the log tells me: Error in suphp.c on line 364: User is not allowed to run scripts (it could be you know what it is) |
| 13:37.54 | Guerin | StM2: if the package isn't available in the distro. |
| 13:38.07 | komplikaizone | hi |
| 13:38.12 | Guerin | jessy: ok, the dir in questions needs execcgi |
| 13:38.17 | StM2 | it doesn't search |
| 13:38.20 | nome | hi again |
| 13:38.22 | Guerin | and maybe some other stuff |
| 13:38.27 | jessy | Guerin: the +s bit ? |
| 13:38.39 | Guerin | jessy: no, in apache config, not on the filesystem |
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| 13:38.52 | nome | is thre any bug related with ld.so? |
| 13:38.55 | StM2 | when i say: upgrade he doesn't |
| 13:38.59 | Guerin | TCW: right, yeah |
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| 13:39.05 | helpmewithiso | jessy: whats wrong with apache?? |
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| 13:39.22 | Guerin | TCW: on the site, it says 'january 2005' - which is pretty optimistic |
| 13:39.40 | jessy | helpmewithiso: Error in suphp.c on line 364: User is not allowed to run scripts |
| 13:39.54 | greycat | Guerin: Anno Domini? |
| 13:40.09 | helpmewithiso | right click and set the settings all allowed at user tab |
| 13:40.22 | Guerin | greycat: I hope that's what they meant. |
| 13:40.23 | greycat | (or "Common Era" as it's now fashionable to call it) |
| 13:40.26 | Guerin | yeah |
| 13:40.42 | Guerin | it was Christian Era for a while, but they went and secularised it |
| 13:40.51 | jessy | helpmewithiso: you're talking to me? right lick ? |
| 13:41.06 | nome | .............Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1259: dl_main: Assertion `_rtld_local._dl_rtld_map.l_prev->l_next == _rtld_local._dl_rtld_map.l_next' failed! |
| 13:41.09 | TCW | Guerin, the "timeline" that opensourcefactory gave is somehow absolutely outdated... so in all meanings, they were too optimistic for the release date of sarge and taht's it. |
| 13:41.09 | Guerin | Current Era still sees some use, which is almost disgustingly postmodern |
| 13:41.13 | helpmewithiso | right mouse click |
| 13:41.15 | nome | ? |
| 13:41.16 | TCW | that's even |
| 13:41.16 | greycat | nome: file a bug report |
| 13:41.22 | Guerin | TCW: yeah. |
| 13:41.26 | takatumi | yay! chatting from my desktop over wifi with a dial-up via winmodem on my laptop |
| 13:41.36 | Guerin | TCW: I bet the fuckers are taking cash orders now, though. |
| 13:41.49 | jessy | helpmewithiso: im in the console |
| 13:41.51 | Guerin | takatumi: hah |
| 13:41.56 | greycat | takatumi: disgusting. ;-) |
| 13:41.59 | helpmewithiso | jessy: chmod |
| 13:42.10 | greycat | I bet it's an Evil, Proprietary Wireless too. |
| 13:42.15 | jessy | but guerin told me its a option in the httpd.conf |
| 13:42.16 | TCW | Guerin, sure they do... as I am looking forward to the release of sarge, I am a bit annoyed of such adds |
| 13:42.23 | Guerin | helpmewithiso: do you actually know wtf you're on about? |
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| 13:42.29 | jessy | helpmewithiso: chmos + ??? |
| 13:42.35 | helpmewithiso | chmod |
| 13:42.39 | jessy | sure |
| 13:42.43 | jessy | helpmewithiso: chmod + ??? |
| 13:42.57 | helpmewithiso | dunno much about chmod |
| 13:43.01 | greycat | jessy: go ask #php |
| 13:43.01 | takatumi | greycat: no, D-link G604T with a linksys card, all supported by the kernel :D |
| 13:43.22 | TCW | Maybe I am just annoyed with how kapitalism and free market economy works at all :) |
| 13:43.47 | greycat | you haven't seen a free market yet. |
| 13:43.54 | Guerin | TCW: yeah, exactly. This can't go well: either they take orders and then stall the customers, sayin 'debian hast relesiert nichts jetzt' or they release an early snapshot of sarge |
| 13:44.02 | Guerin | excuse my highschool german :) |
| 13:44.03 | helpmewithiso | !tell helpmewithiso about chmod |
| 13:44.18 | helpmewithiso | !tell jessy about chmod |
| 13:44.23 | Guerin | helpmewithiso: if you don't know, then don't guess |
| 13:44.23 | TCW | 'debian hast relesiert nichts jetzt' <- Guerin, stick with english please ;) |
| 13:44.32 | Guerin | TCW: yeah yeah, i know :) |
| 13:44.44 | asg | Guerin: did you insult his mother? |
| 13:44.45 | helpmewithiso | guerin i only use gui but i know its chmod |
| 13:44.57 | Guerin | I can understand it, but constructing it always gets me in trouble :) |
| 13:45.16 | Guerin | helpmewithiso: no. In this case you almost certainly know nothing. |
| 13:45.22 | greycat | asg: Guerin is no longer allowed to eat sauerkraut, ever. |
| 13:45.23 | Guerin | asg: In dont't THINK so... |
| 13:45.27 | Guerin | :( |
| 13:45.39 | greycat | (just kidding) |
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| 13:46.13 | Guerin | one of the earliest meals I remember was at my grandmothers ... rookworst, sauerkraut and stoemp :) |
| 13:46.19 | Guerin | I wasn't allowed beer, sadly |
| 13:46.21 | TCW | Guerin, but to prod your german language learning.. .you menat probably "Debian hat sarge bisher nicht released" <- note: even "released" is an english word, it is not translated :) |
| 13:46.29 | TCW | meant even |
| 13:46.46 | greycat | dpkg released |
| 13:46.46 | dpkg | RELEASED?!? Our software is not *released*! It escapes from the lab, leaving a bloody trail of programmers and QA testers behind it! |
| 13:47.10 | helpmewithiso | LOL |
| 13:47.33 | hackeron | Guerin: hmm, mac worked great for ape, but not for mpc, any ideas what to use for mpc? |
| 13:47.34 | Guerin | TCW: ah, ok. In high school I often got away with taking the english root and adding german endings to it. |
| 13:47.40 | Guerin | hackeron: musepack |
| 13:47.48 | TCW | Guerin, *loooooool* |
| 13:47.58 | TCW | Guerin, thanks, that did my day ;) |
| 13:48.01 | Guerin | hackeron: you might want http://feayn.org/~lewis/anyplay as well |
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| 13:48.31 | Guerin | TCW: the exchange studdents we had said it was because one of our german teachers was actually swiss :) |
| 13:48.44 | hackeron | Guerin: thanks. |
| 13:49.00 | TCW | Guerin, I think even a swiss would laugh... sorry :) |
| 13:49.08 | TCW | or... I hope he would! :) |
| 13:49.41 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:49.45 | Guerin | I hope so, too |
| 13:49.59 | hackeron | Guerin: so musepack is yet another lossless compression codec? |
| 13:50.17 | greycat | no, it's lossy |
| 13:50.31 | greycat | it's Yet Another We're Not MP3 |
| 13:50.32 | Guerin | hackeron: yes. Inferior to flac as well. But in this case it has both lossy and lossless modes, so that's a small bonus. |
| 13:51.03 | helpmewithiso | GRH cant vind aiso burnerr |
| 13:51.07 | Guerin | It can do both. It also has a hybrid encoding mode of some kind, I'm not sure how it works though. |
| 13:51.24 | Guerin | I think it does a decent lossy AND a lossless file from the same input |
| 13:51.37 | hackeron | Guerin: err, if you want lossy, wouldnt you just use ogg? |
| 13:51.48 | Guerin | but basically, there's still no reason to use it in preference to ogg/flac |
| 13:51.53 | Guerin | hackeron: yeah, exactly |
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| 13:52.02 | hackeron | Guerin: bah, annoying as hell. |
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| 13:52.32 | sunrise | hi all |
| 13:53.13 | Trev_ | Howdy |
| 13:53.26 | mainiac | how do I play music on a linux system. particularly a Debian distro using KDE |
| 13:53.30 | Guerin | hackeron: indeed. And there are exactly 0 media players which can play all these formats ootb - xmms can with the plugins in rarewares, and cplay can with my script, but because shn and mac are non-free, they're basically deadended |
| 13:53.32 | hackeron | Guerin: ogg and flac are supported by quite a few portable players these days, these codecs arent and are technically inferior, so why on earth is the net flooded with mpc and ape :( |
| 13:53.39 | greycat | mainiac: apt-get install xmms; xmms |
| 13:53.50 | Guerin | hackeron: because people are fucking idiots. |
| 13:54.13 | greycat | because mpc had Windows User mindshare for a long time |
| 13:54.16 | mainiac | greycat, tnx, brb |
| 13:54.27 | Guerin | and ape was developed on windows |
| 13:54.59 | greycat | ape is also known as "monkey audio", right? |
| 13:55.03 | hackeron | Guerin: greycat: damn windows users :) |
| 13:55.04 | Guerin | yeah |
| 13:55.31 | Guerin | shn is the other big one, used almost ubiquitously by tapers for the longest time, and still to this day |
| 13:55.44 | Guerin | and while the quality of the codec is good, the container format is shit |
| 13:56.30 | mainiac | greycat: I have xmms installed, but i'm still in the dark |
| 13:57.06 | asg | mainiac: open konsole, type 'xmms', turn your contrast settings to 11. |
| 13:57.07 | greycat | mainiac: xmms _filename_ |
| 13:57.10 | greycat | it's really not hard. |
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| 13:58.37 | mainiac | yea, I gues the problem is I don't have any music on my system. don't ususally play music on my pc but kids were interested in it so... |
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| 13:59.20 | mainiac | can I stream a radio station to xmms? |
| 13:59.23 | greycat | yes |
| 13:59.41 | greycat | and if xmms can't handle that particular stream, there's a good chance mplayer can. |
| 13:59.48 | mainiac | let me give that a try and get back to you |
| 14:00.09 | mainiac | yea, I think I need mplayer too, but I'll get back to you |
| 14:00.54 | azreal | can someone tell me a iptables rule for gnutella udp? |
| 14:01.27 | azreal | to allow or accept |
| 14:01.36 | azreal | im not sure what to do |
| 14:01.38 | greycat | allowing is the default, isn't it? |
| 14:01.49 | azreal | yes |
| 14:01.49 | usn | hi folx |
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| 14:02.41 | helpmewithiso | whats difirent to a normaL DATA cd and a boot cd? |
| 14:03.01 | Shadur | helpmewithiso: The latter has a boot record written to it |
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| 14:03.54 | fusion | hm if a script is in the /etc/init.d directory, it should start on boot right? |
| 14:04.06 | asg | fusion: no, read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 14:04.16 | agenteo | I've got an issue with jigdo while downloading the sarge DVD images, it had reached the file limit: 2GB |
| 14:04.22 | agenteo | and it stops :-\ |
| 14:04.27 | asg | fusion: and update-rc.d(8) |
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| 14:04.53 | helpmewithiso | fucking download stucks agian |
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| 14:09.27 | Assid | bah.. i just reloaded the darn thing.. |
| 14:09.53 | Assid | actually i was able to recover a bit with the sarge dvd.. but too little to late.. i screwed up something else at that time |
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| 14:12.22 | nevyn | ok.. someone explain why cweb conflicts with tetex-bin? |
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| 14:13.04 | nevyn | man this is WHACK.. |
| 14:13.15 | nevyn | cweb reccomends tetex-bin |
| 14:13.25 | nevyn | but tetex-bin conflicts with cweb |
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| 14:13.56 | mainiac | greycat: I went to NPR's site and clicked NPRProgram_stream tried to open it with xmms that did nothing so I saved the file to disk. It looks like an html page with a couple of audio source tags in it. opening the file with xmms does nothing. any suggestions? |
| 14:14.07 | dseomn | nevyn: does tetex conflict with a specific version, or all versions? |
| 14:14.37 | nevyn | all versions. |
| 14:14.47 | asg | nevyn: file a bug then |
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| 14:14.52 | lnx | hi |
| 14:15.08 | greycat | mainiac: 1) try a different stream, or 2) manually decipher and unmangle all the SHIT that they wrap around the ultimate .ogg or .mp3 file for Windows people, or 3) try mplayer |
| 14:15.12 | asg | nevyn: since it appears to be a recommended package. |
| 14:15.13 | nevyn | asg: working out what the correct behaviour is first would be a good thing. |
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| 14:15.35 | nevyn | asg: it's reccomended one way. and conflicts the other. |
| 14:16.00 | asg | nevyn: yes |
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| 14:16.16 | dseomn | nevyn: there's usually a reason for the conflict in /usr/share/doc |
| 14:17.19 | mainiac | greycat: rofl, doesn't sound all that simple. is a .ogg file a streaming audio? I thot .mp3s were individual songs, not streaming. am I wrong on that? |
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| 14:17.42 | dseomn | mainiac: they can both be either |
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| 14:18.08 | Guerin | mainiac: I recommend grep http:// /path/to/playlist file |
| 14:18.51 | greycat | Guerin: if he's lucky. |
| 14:18.59 | dseomn | Guerin: that should be :// no http:// because not all use http |
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| 14:19.03 | greycat | if he's not lucky, it's going to be mms:// or rtp:// or something like that |
| 14:19.07 | dseomn | a/no/not/ |
| 14:19.09 | dseomn | *s |
| 14:19.25 | Guerin | greycat: yeah. You still have to weed a bit, but it saves fucking with some of the pseudo xml they use |
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| 14:19.32 | jessy | Guerin: What do I do on this error: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: php4-gd2: Depends: zendapi-20010901 ? |
| 14:19.33 | Guerin | dseomn: that's a good point |
| 14:19.42 | mainiac | Guerin: one of the audio tags has http:// in it, the ultimate file is a .rm file tho |
| 14:19.48 | Cinas | My Debian doesn't detect my network card (D-link 530TX) what should I do now? |
| 14:19.50 | greycat | DIE REAL MEDIA DIE!!! |
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| 14:19.53 | asg | heh |
| 14:19.53 | greycat | mainiac: find another stream. |
| 14:19.56 | Guerin | mainiac: oh, it'll be rtsp:// then probably |
| 14:19.57 | greycat | one that's NOT real media. |
| 14:20.08 | Guerin | but real make the worst streams |
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| 14:20.18 | Guerin | they should change their name to fake |
| 14:20.30 | asg | Guerin: and change 'media' to 'crap' |
| 14:20.42 | Guerin | asg: no, because then their name would be fakecrap |
| 14:20.46 | Guerin | and it's realcrap |
| 14:20.52 | Guerin | so either would do |
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| 14:21.00 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:21.02 | greycat | no, real crap is actually useful as fertilizer |
| 14:21.05 | Guerin | but both would be false advertising |
| 14:21.09 | Guerin | hrm |
| 14:21.10 | mainiac | Guerin: there's an 'rtsp://' in the second audio tag. it also ends in .rm Can xmms play .rm files? |
| 14:21.13 | Guerin | right you are |
| 14:21.14 | jessy | What do I do on this error: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: php4-gd2: Depends: zendapi-20010901 ? |
| 14:21.16 | greycat | real media audio/video files aren't useful in any way |
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| 14:21.26 | greycat | mainiac: no, xmms can't play it |
| 14:21.37 | dseomn | mainiac: mplayer ans w32codecs can |
| 14:21.42 | asg | jessy: what version of debian are you using? |
| 14:21.44 | dseomn | s/ans/and/ |
| 14:21.47 | greycat | Real(tm)(r) has their own media player for their own special files |
| 14:21.48 | Guerin | mainiac: sometimes real chains through several .rm files. Mplayer usually gets to the heart of the matter |
| 14:21.51 | jessy | asg: 3.0 woody |
| 14:21.56 | Guerin | which is pure shite |
| 14:22.00 | DexterF | can someone with the following setup tell me if xine returns focus to the terminal app it was launched from when closing: kde 3.3.x, XOrg, xine ui 0.99.x |
| 14:22.00 | Guerin | and non-free to boot |
| 14:22.12 | jessy | asg: and dotphp.org sources |
| 14:22.15 | Vyrus001 | Cinas: find out what drive it needs and manualy install it :P |
| 14:22.16 | mainiac | I'll see if I have another option on streams |
| 14:22.17 | Guerin | asg: she's also using dotdeb.org packports |
| 14:22.21 | asg | Guerin: ah |
| 14:22.23 | asg | jessy: oh |
| 14:22.43 | nvz | Guerin: heh, they always pissed me off too.. I dont know about their streams, but their audio format was always high quality, higher compression than mp3 or anything else.. but all the software that played it sucked royally |
| 14:22.45 | Guerin | as I advissed her to, in light of the recent unfixable php vulnerabilities in woody |
| 14:22.51 | jessy | Guerin: And why couldn't I install the php4-gd2 ? |
| 14:23.07 | asg | Guerin: may as well just upgrade to sarge then |
| 14:23.10 | Guerin | jessy: I don't know. Dotdeb's reps have never broken for me before, but it can happen. |
| 14:23.20 | Guerin | asg: well, yeah. I suggested that too. |
| 14:23.21 | greycat | nvz: *was*. |
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| 14:23.39 | greycat | I'd put post-1.0 Vorbis against anything on the market at those bitrates |
| 14:23.39 | Guerin | lemme check |
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| 14:23.43 | fr4 | hi |
| 14:23.45 | asg | Guerin: 4.3.10 went into sarge on friday or sat. |
| 14:23.45 | Guerin | fuck yeah |
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| 14:23.47 | nvz | greycat: there are better formats now? ogg? flac? |
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| 14:24.03 | greycat | nvz: flac is not what you want for streams :) |
| 14:24.03 | Guerin | asg: I've been watching it like a hawk - I run a shitload of php on my boxen |
| 14:24.06 | Guerin | more's the pity |
| 14:24.19 | nvz | no idea, never done streams |
| 14:24.24 | mainiac | hmm, NPR doesn't seem to offer anything else. does anyone have a radio station they like that can be farely easily streamed in linux? |
| 14:24.25 | Guerin | anyone know a good php webmail app? |
| 14:24.26 | asg | Guerin: so do I, the only phpbb sites have been temporarily shut down |
| 14:24.38 | Guerin | mainiac: it can be done. play them in mplayer. |
| 14:25.19 | Guerin | asg: I don't run phpbb on anything - only squirrelmail, horde/imp, gallery, coppermine and wordpress |
| 14:25.19 | nvz | I just know when I had my RCA Lyra it supported MP3 and RA and if I was only going to be listening through headphones, I would use RA and fit 4x as much music on the same card and it sounded just as good... if you played it through the car or something, it sounded slighly softer than if it was mp3 |
| 14:25.21 | mainiac | I'll try that later, I went thru trying to get mplayer installed on a guys linux box and I know that's not a 15 minute project |
| 14:25.29 | Guerin | no |
| 14:25.30 | Guerin | it is |
| 14:25.34 | jessy | Guerin: And what could I do now ? |
| 14:25.43 | Guerin | jessy: just lemme check |
| 14:25.44 | mainiac | I just want to see if I can get anything to play |
| 14:25.57 | asg | Guerin: I have squirrel on one and a few phpbb sites that I'm just going to convert to moodle forums in January. |
| 14:26.09 | Guerin | mainiac: http://radio.paradise.net.nz:9020/ |
| 14:26.28 | Guerin | mainiac: if that plays, you're listeningin to my university radio station |
| 14:26.46 | asg | Guerin: all REM, all the time? |
| 14:26.47 | Guerin | asg: moodle is pretty good |
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| 14:26.52 | Guerin | asg: god no |
| 14:26.59 | Guerin | asg: I actually LISTENED to it |
| 14:27.01 | asg | Guerin: yeah, we've done a little work on it. |
| 14:27.04 | asg | Guerin: :) |
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| 14:27.20 | leOn | hello |
| 14:27.38 | asg | Guerin: we are rolling a pilot this next semester in the hopes that we can replace Blackboard which is a complete and utter piece of shit. |
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| 14:28.01 | Guerin | asg: nice. |
| 14:28.14 | kami | hi can anyone help me i always get this messages : atkbd.c: Unknown key released .... Use 'setkeycodes e001 <keycode>' |
| 14:28.14 | nvz | nothing like waking up to a nice glass of luke warm water |
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| 14:28.29 | Guerin | nvz: s/water/stfu/ |
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| 14:28.37 | nvz | heh |
| 14:28.51 | nvz | Guerin: fuck you, very much. :P |
| 14:28.53 | redluorg | why is there no dspam package? |
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| 14:29.31 | nvz | trying to wake up enough to drive. |
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| 14:29.49 | nvz | havent been to a texas jail yet, and not really eagar to see it either |
| 14:29.52 | redluorg | i want to know how i am supposed to use dspam when no one will get up off their ass and make a package. |
| 14:29.52 | leOn | can anyone tell me why the hell do i get unresolved symbols while doing a make-kpkg for 2.6.9 in woody .. ? |
| 14:30.26 | Guerin | nvz: wait |
| 14:30.34 | Guerin | nvz: I am finding you a lik |
| 14:30.37 | mainiac | Guerin: that worked. it's a start. I want to convert my kids over to linux and they will NEED music :) thanks |
| 14:30.39 | Guerin | don't go to texas jail yet |
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| 14:30.47 | nvz | a lik? |
| 14:30.49 | Guerin | mainiac: apt-get install streamtuner |
| 14:30.55 | Guerin | a link |
| 14:30.58 | nvz | oh |
| 14:30.59 | nvz | heh |
| 14:31.05 | nvz | great.. |
| 14:31.09 | nvz | I can just imagine |
| 14:31.10 | Guerin | http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3 |
| 14:31.19 | Guerin | best song EVAR |
| 14:33.24 | nvz | this girl cant even sing good, I just like her voice for some reason |
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| 14:34.03 | nvz | probably because when I hear her voice it makes me think of someone other than her |
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| 14:34.34 | Guerin | hrm |
| 14:34.37 | Guerin | I get timeouts |
| 14:34.41 | rick2004 | hi, www.kde.org doesn't have apt source anymore? I want to install the latest kde 3.3.2 :( |
| 14:34.46 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/FCCSong.mp3 is my copy :) |
| 14:35.02 | Guerin | rick2004: #debian-kde |
| 14:35.04 | nvz | heh |
| 14:35.20 | nvz | I am still installing a browser for some stupid reason |
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| 14:35.28 | rick2004 | exit |
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| 14:35.42 | SpeS | hi, anyone using rsync?? I want to make a "mirror" but don't want rsync to delete files in the dest wich aren't in the orign, is that possible? |
| 14:35.56 | Guerin | anything's possible |
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| 14:36.06 | Guerin | rsync doesn't delete anything by default |
| 14:36.22 | jessy | Guerin: Have you looked what the error could be ? |
| 14:36.36 | SpeS | ok Guerin thanks (I was scared to try it xD) |
| 14:37.39 | Guerin | !depends php4-gd2 woody |
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| 14:37.46 | dpkg | php4-gd2: depends on libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libfreetype6, libgd2 (>= 2.0.1-7), libjpeg62, libpng2(>=1.0.12), t1lib1, xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), zendapi-20010901 |
| 14:38.08 | Guerin | !info zendapi-20010901 woody |
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| 14:38.23 | Guerin | well, that's pretty fucked |
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| 14:38.35 | Guerin | 23:36:09 <dpkg> Package 'zendapi-20010901' does not exist. |
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| 14:39.09 | greycat | maybe it's a virtual package? |
| 14:39.17 | Guerin | I'm just searching on it |
| 14:39.40 | Guerin | ah |
| 14:39.47 | Guerin | jessy: apt-get install php4 |
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| 14:40.11 | Guerin | php4 Provides: php4-xml, zendapi-20010901 |
| 14:40.18 | jessy | Guerin: but I gonna run php4-cgi, but thats no problem, isn't it ? |
| 14:40.25 | Guerin | jessy: no problem |
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| 14:40.56 | superlinux | what is the link for the latest stable debian? |
| 14:41.05 | asg | superlinux: /msg dpkg woody |
| 14:41.17 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:41.18 | jessy | Guerin: but it doesn't work... |
| 14:41.21 | jessy | :-( |
| 14:41.31 | jessy | Guerin: I installed php4 |
| 14:41.39 | Guerin | jessy: and ... |
| 14:41.46 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 14:41.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 14:44.38 | jessy | Guerin: Ok sorry... Ehm I installed php4, that works...But by installing php4-gd2 it brings up the same error.. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: php4-gd2: Depends: zendapi-20010901. :-( |
| 14:44.57 | Guerin | that's fucked |
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| 14:45.11 | Guerin | jessy: I bet I know why, though |
| 14:45.31 | jessy | Guerin: Have I got the wrong sources list ? |
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| 14:47.19 | Guerin | jessy: yes and no. The version of php4 which has been installed is the version from dotdeb, which does not provide that zendapi package |
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| 14:48.19 | Guerin | jessy: now, happily, this can be fixed. |
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| 14:48.40 | jessy | Guerin: :) Please tell me how... |
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| 14:49.19 | Guerin | jessy: apt-get remove php4 && apt-get install php4=4:4.1.2-7.0.1; ought to work |
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| 14:50.13 | dfd | hi again :> |
| 14:50.21 | Guerin | jessy: you have to realise te only reason I'm walking you through this is because I suggested that you should use the dotdeb packages because of the php security problems. |
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| 14:50.36 | Guerin | roll on sarge is all I can say |
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| 14:51.39 | Guerin | php4 is the first package which is really critical, in which a severe security hole can't or won't be fixed in woody, and for that reason, woody needs to be retired. |
| 14:51.50 | Guerin | critical for some purposes, anyway. |
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| 14:52.35 | asg | Guerin: Erich Shubert said as much on planet debian |
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| 14:52.46 | Guerin | asg: yeah, I read it on his blog |
| 14:52.49 | jessy | Guerin: Ok now I can install it, but my questin is, is it now available under php4-cgi ??? |
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| 14:53.01 | jvw | Guerin: ahum, that's just not true |
| 14:53.09 | Guerin | jvw: oh? |
| 14:53.15 | jvw | Guerin: on woody, most of those holes do not exist |
| 14:53.20 | Guerin | jvw: has/will it be fixed? |
| 14:53.32 | jvw | woody simply seems not vulnerable |
| 14:53.43 | Guerin | jvw: I read that this last round of holed DID definitely exist in woody's version |
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| 14:53.50 | asg | jvw: so the vulnerabilities were introduced after 4.1.2? |
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| 14:53.54 | jvw | one issue still exists, and is being worked on indeed |
| 14:54.15 | HmJ | how to exclude smth from tar archyve? I try cd /root/ && tar -czf work.tgz --exclude-from <(find /root/work/asdf) work/* |
| 14:54.22 | jvw | but, it seems to be not exploitable from outside |
| 14:54.24 | HmJ | but no success |
| 14:54.27 | HmJ | using gnu tar |
| 14:54.32 | Guerin | hrm, ok |
| 14:55.09 | jvw | a lot of stuff isn' |
| 14:55.09 | jaysan | Mic input doesn't work in my Debian installation. I have 2.4.22-1-686 kernel and alsa modules loaded. |
| 14:55.14 | jaysan | Any ideas what might be wrong? arecord records only static noise. |
| 14:55.15 | jvw | really completely clear yet |
| 14:55.18 | Guerin | jvw: I see a lot of stuff isn't |
| 14:55.29 | jvw | (shitty keyboard here) |
| 14:55.29 | Guerin | isn't vulnerable, I mean |
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| 14:55.39 | Guerin | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2004/12/msg00090.html, forex |
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| 14:55.41 | asg | jaysan: did you crank the input volume in your mixer? |
| 14:55.58 | jaysan | asg: Yeah. Mic sound comes through the speakers. |
| 14:56.06 | jessy | Guerin: Ok now I can install it, but my questin is, is it now available under php4-cgi ??? |
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| 14:56.23 | asg | jaysan: okay, just checking |
| 14:56.29 | Guerin | but I swear I saw a confirmed vulnerability on debian-security, lemme see |
| 14:56.42 | jaysan | asg: But I can't record anything. I've tried arecord, audacity, skype ... |
| 14:56.45 | Guerin | jessy: yes. You can install php4-gd2 as well, if you like |
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| 14:57.14 | fr4 | hi |
| 14:57.19 | fr4 | I have a problem |
| 14:57.21 | jessy | Guerin: I installed it and it worked... But my question is will it work for php4-cgi also... ? |
| 14:57.38 | fr4 | i use my debian linux box as router/gateway |
| 14:57.39 | Guerin | jessy: YES |
| 14:57.42 | jvw | a lot of people do confirm issues that do not exist, the hard thing is to separate the real confirmations from the clueless ones |
| 14:57.42 | fr4 | for my internal lan |
| 14:57.42 | sai_ | how do i install debian-sarge from dvd image? |
| 14:57.49 | asg | jvw: true |
| 14:57.50 | jessy | Guerin: In case of the version difference between php4 and php4-cgi (4.1 and 4.3) |
| 14:57.51 | Guerin | jvw: right |
| 14:57.52 | fr4 | my problem is |
| 14:57.55 | jessy | Guerin: ok thanks... |
| 14:58.08 | jvw | so, my point is, don't confirm issues you don't 100% sure know for yourself |
| 14:58.11 | jvw | :) |
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| 14:58.19 | Guerin | jessy: in that case, all I can advise is 'suck it and see' |
| 14:58.31 | asg | Guerin: great Grim Reaper song btw |
| 14:58.38 | Guerin | jvw: I'd rather not get my box pwn3d, if it's all the same to you :) |
| 14:58.42 | fr4 | that my gateway can open all internet page, but my client open only www.google.it. The problem is MTU |
| 14:58.43 | Guerin | asg: heh |
| 14:58.47 | jvw | if a really urgent exploitable hole was in woody's php, it'd have a security upload by now |
| 14:58.57 | fr4 | my MTU is 1492 for ppp0, |
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| 14:59.03 | jvw | Guerin: I don't say you should not be careful or something :) |
| 14:59.12 | Guerin | jvw: I would have thought the same.... but the messages to d-s seemed to suggest otherwise |
| 14:59.15 | fr4 | why my client don't work?? |
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| 14:59.25 | fr4 | anybody can help me? |
| 14:59.41 | Guerin | jvw: I guess it's hard knowing whose word to trust and whose not to. |
| 15:00.06 | jvw | dotdeb will introduce other issues, they are unofficial, no debian security teams looks after those |
| 15:00.18 | jvw | yeah, basicly it comes down to knowing people a bit :-/ |
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| 15:00.59 | asg | jvw: there are always risks but history, for me, has shown the security team to be preferrable. |
| 15:01.07 | Guerin | yeah, I choose to dotdeb packages as a 'best fit' sort of thing |
| 15:01.27 | daesotho | yea .DEB is the future! |
| 15:01.27 | Guerin | they work fine for me; one of my users needs a newish php for some thing he has |
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| 15:01.50 | daesotho | everybody should use apt.DEB |
| 15:01.50 | jvw | yeah, then you have a hard decion to make :) |
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| 15:02.15 | dfd | somebody uses apt-build? I specified gcc flags while configuring, and manually I set also CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS but when I compile packages they override my flags.. and uses others.. and in addition I can't install packages I built.. |
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| 15:02.23 | Guerin | I'm trying to convince them all to use perl for everything ... which might be a placebo, but wtf |
| 15:02.52 | greycat | dfd: edit debian/rules by hand |
| 15:03.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 15:03.17 | dfd | where I find it? |
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| 15:03.43 | rob|lt | Hi. Anyone having trouble with the mars.iti.pk.edu.pl repo for gimp lately? |
| 15:03.49 | dfd | I checked /etc/apt/apt-build.conf and it seems okay |
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| 15:03.51 | Guerin | or if you're building world, run sed -i across debian/rules ... if you don't fear the [grim] reaper |
| 15:04.05 | Guerin | dfd: in the source tree |
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| 15:04.36 | rob|lt | or perhaps know a good repo for gimp2? |
| 15:04.41 | dfd | :| |
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| 15:06.55 | hanasaki | in debian's exim4 whre are the DEBCONsomevarDEBCONF variable values set? what file? |
| 15:06.57 | karim | is there a way to do a dpkg-buildpackage without cleaning all the source tree before compiling ? |
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| 15:07.30 | asg | hanasaki: they are fed by debconf and update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 15:08.37 | hanasaki | do the values in update-exim4.conf.conf get exposed for substitution wth DEBCON pre and post pended ot the var name? |
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| 15:09.36 | asg | hanasaki: dc_<var> -> DEBCON<var>DEBCON (read the head notes in update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 15:10.31 | AdrianLP | I've installed Firefox 1.0. Has anyone else found that when you let it install the Flash plugin, that it still says the plugin is missing? |
| 15:10.38 | jessy | By removing a package with apt I got following error: post-removal script returned error exit status 1 What could I do ? |
| 15:10.42 | hanasaki | asi i have not LOCAL_DELIVERY defined in any file under /etc/exim4 yet it is being defined as mail_spool and i need it to be defined as mail_dirhome |
| 15:10.44 | Guerin | jvw: thanks, as ever, for your input |
| 15:10.45 | scarynetworkguy | AdrianLP: Did you restart FF? |
| 15:10.59 | AdrianLP | scarynetworkguy: I've restarted Linux since then, let alone FF :) |
| 15:11.09 | AdrianLP | scarynetworkguy: And I've only installed it about 12 times. |
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| 15:11.26 | superlinux | what is debian-30r3 ? |
| 15:11.27 | Guerin | AdrianLP: oh, you mean when ff tries to install the flashplugin through its own menu? |
| 15:11.38 | superlinux | i get iso names like that |
| 15:11.39 | asg | hanasaki: then you'll probably have to hand hack /etc/exim4/conf.d/* |
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| 15:11.41 | dvs | superlinux: the latest woody |
| 15:11.44 | Guerin | superlinux: it's the third update of security patches to 3.0 |
| 15:11.46 | superlinux | k |
| 15:12.03 | AdrianLP | Guerin: That's right. I go to a page with flash, it says its missing, I click on the puzzle-like icon, FF installs it, restart, still not installed. |
| 15:12.09 | superlinux | but does it use the latest GUI's? |
| 15:12.26 | greycat | AdrianLP: install the non-free flash plugin via Debian instead |
| 15:12.32 | greycat | superlinux: no |
| 15:12.37 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:12.38 | AdrianLP | greycat: Ok. |
| 15:12.39 | Guerin | AdrianLP: never trust firefox to install it. Use non-free and apt-get install it |
| 15:12.40 | zoid | is there a way to log transfers users make with scp? |
| 15:12.45 | Guerin | yeah |
| 15:12.56 | AdrianLP | Guerin greycat : A bug that will be fixed soon? |
| 15:13.01 | greycat | zoid: why? you do realize they could just work around it, right? |
| 15:13.02 | hanasaki | asg hmm something seems to be deinfing LOCAL_DELIVERY=mail_spool from somewher.. i was hoping to find it and then make the cahnge whereever it is now |
| 15:13.10 | Guerin | AdrianLP: not a bug in the debian package, necessarilt |
| 15:13.10 | Guerin | y |
| 15:13.13 | superlinux | u mean it still uses the same old programs |
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| 15:13.15 | superlinux | y? |
| 15:13.22 | greycat | AdrianLP: Firefox programmers are aliens. |
| 15:13.29 | zoid | greycat: nope, i wasn't aware they could work around it |
| 15:13.41 | greycat | they don't speak normal English (or any other human language). They have their own special secret code language. |
| 15:13.43 | Guerin | superlinux: it was released in july 2002, and the versions of the included software have not changed since |
| 15:13.51 | asg | hanasaki: look in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template (it has information on what you need to do to redefine that var.) |
| 15:13.58 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 15:13.59 | hanasaki | bbl |
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| 15:14.10 | greycat | zoid: ssh yourbox 'cat > /path/to/the/file' < /local/file |
| 15:14.20 | pzn | I want two diferent pop servers in same machine for benchmark purposes (will use diferent TCP ports). apt-get install courier-pop will uninstall qpopper. how to tell apt to not uninstall qpopper? |
| 15:14.22 | Ford-Prefect | anyone know where I can find a deb pack with unace newer than 1.2? |
| 15:14.23 | Guerin | superlinux: if you want something up to date, install sarge viia the debian installer, like we told you hours ago |
| 15:14.31 | AdrianLP | greycat Guerin : flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 15:14.34 | greycat | pzn: you can't. |
| 15:14.51 | Guerin | Ford-Prefect: you probably can't since ace is non-free. You can get a static unix binary from the author's site, though. |
| 15:14.59 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:15.01 | pzn | greycat, what about downloading the .deb and using dpkg with --force something? |
| 15:15.05 | greycat | pzn: just install one, run the benchmark, install the other, run the benchmark, compare. |
| 15:15.32 | Guerin | pzn: you're installing two programs which want to listen on the same port. This plainly cannot work. |
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| 15:16.06 | pzn | greycat, they have config files... I can edit inetd.conf to tell that they are in diferent ports |
| 15:16.13 | Ford-Prefect | Guerin: but shouldn't it show if I've selected to use non-free sources aswell? |
| 15:17.09 | greycat | pzn: it's NOT WORTH THE EFFORT. Install them one at a time. |
| 15:17.18 | pzn | greycat, ok, thanks! |
| 15:17.28 | Guerin | Ford-Prefect: debian doesn't package ALL the non-free software there is |
| 15:17.33 | Guerin | thank goodness |
| 15:17.49 | dvs | It only seems likeit. |
| 15:17.51 | Ford-Prefect | *muttres* guess I'll have to do it myself then. . . |
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| 15:18.24 | iceman | will you guys lay off the fucking caps? |
| 15:18.47 | asg | iceman: LOCAL_DELIVERY is a variable |
| 15:18.48 | Ford-Prefect | oh well... thanks guys (usually you actually do find them packed and ready to use on unofficial servers) |
| 15:18.52 | Guerin | iceman: um, I count one line in the past hundred or so |
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| 15:19.04 | Guerin | iceman: you might want to lay off the fucking crack |
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| 15:19.18 | alex__ | is it possible to do a search for a string in a whole directory in bash ? |
| 15:19.28 | asg | alex__: grep -lr string /dir |
| 15:19.37 | alex__ | thanks |
| 15:19.54 | iceman | Guerin: crack? what the fuck are you talking about? |
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| 15:20.07 | Guerin | iceman: we had the crack discussion already today |
| 15:20.24 | iceman | and whats that got to do with anything, this confuses me |
| 15:20.42 | Caelum | crack is bad for you, mmkay? |
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| 15:20.58 | iceman | caps is bad for you |
| 15:20.59 | asg | iceman: the caps in question were used for *emphasis* since irc is a mono-modal communication mechanism |
| 15:21.06 | Guerin | Caelum: that was pretty much where it ended up at |
| 15:21.21 | iceman | asg: no shit sherlock |
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| 15:21.27 | Guerin | iceman: being anally retentive is bad for you |
| 15:21.49 | asg | Guerin: does crack count as a 7% solution? |
| 15:21.55 | Guerin | asg: no. |
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| 15:22.09 | iceman | Guerin: please don't insult me |
| 15:22.14 | iceman | Im getting sick of it |
| 15:22.22 | stew | !annoy iceman |
| 15:22.24 | dpkg | iceman: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
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| 15:22.43 | Guerin | iceman: if you want, I'll write you an irssi script which displays everything in lowercase. Then at least you can be ignorant, as well as anally retentive |
| 15:23.24 | Guerin | but you'll be HAPPY in your ignorance |
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| 15:23.31 | Guerin | as well as your anal retention |
| 15:23.36 | iceman | haha |
| 15:23.40 | iceman | what is you problem anyway |
| 15:23.42 | Guerin | oops |
| 15:23.47 | Guerin | I used caps |
| 15:23.48 | asg | Guerin: laxatives help with anal retention |
| 15:23.49 | Guerin | my BAD |
| 15:24.02 | Guerin | asg: not with his kind |
| 15:24.07 | Guerin | sadly |
| 15:24.12 | asg | Guerin: can't hurt to try though |
| 15:24.20 | Guerin | asg: that's certainly true |
| 15:24.38 | iceman | oh you are so pathetic |
| 15:24.42 | iceman | it's almost sad |
| 15:24.48 | Guerin | every hour spend on the toilet is one he can't spend bitching and whining about people's PERFECTLY REASONABLE use of caps |
| 15:25.04 | Ford-Prefect | why can't windowsusers just stay away from trying to use anything but zip and rar? |
| 15:25.05 | stew | !yow |
| 15:25.38 | asg | Ford-Prefect: at least they aren't ex-BBS users with the requisite plethora of compression doors. |
| 15:25.44 | Guerin | Ford-Prefect: we've had this discussion about music formats tonight as well. The conclusion was that windows users are Fucking Idiots. |
| 15:25.59 | alex__ | I am trying to set some of the button on my laptop, can someone redirect me on a tutorial, or at least tells me how to display the message receive when pressing the button on my console please ? |
| 15:26.09 | greycat | except that it's not night. |
| 15:26.10 | asg | alex__: xev + xbindkeys |
| 15:26.15 | Guerin | it clearly is |
| 15:26.34 | asg | greycat: 08:54 < sunrise> hi all (says it all really) |
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| 15:26.58 | Ford-Prefect | and this particular archive... guess what I find in it when I list it? |
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| 15:27.03 | Ford-Prefect | a bleeding rar archive! |
| 15:27.09 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 15:27.18 | asg | Ford-Prefect: then it's likely pron or warez |
| 15:27.18 | tam | hi all, does anyone know of a RSS feed generator so that i can monitor my favorite sites for updates? |
| 15:27.26 | dfd | I modified all the CFLAGS variables I found in the files of the package source. Now I can compile normally with apt-build? Does it will automatically replace the actual version of the package? |
| 15:27.29 | Guerin | double archivalisation means double teh compression, dontchaknow |
| 15:27.39 | asg | !stackersmite Guerin |
| 15:27.51 | Ford-Prefect | why oh why oh w h y do they think they can compress an already compressed file sooooo much more |
| 15:27.53 | galois | Guerin: tar.gz ? |
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| 15:28.15 | Guerin | galois: only one layer of compression there. Let me know how you go with tar.gz.bz2 |
| 15:28.32 | galois | Guerin: :) |
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| 15:28.57 | Guerin | Ford-Prefect: because it says "compresses up to 94%!!!11!@" |
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| 15:29.12 | greycat | dfd: why don't you just go run Gentoo already? |
| 15:29.13 | Ford-Prefect | asg: nope, it's what it's supose to be... that I know |
| 15:29.21 | abyx | tam: firefox can has a feature for that, look for an orange square in the bottom-right corner |
| 15:29.23 | greycat | instead of trying to make Debian act like Gentoo |
| 15:29.39 | dfd | greycat: :-> |
| 15:29.48 | dfd | greycat: 'cause I love debian :-P |
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| 15:30.11 | dfd | greycat: I love apt. I don't like emerge :-) |
| 15:30.20 | pzn | greycat, apt-get --download-only ... ; dpkg -i --force-conflicts courier...deb <- worked as expected. edited courier-pop.conf to use port 111 |
| 15:30.48 | tam | abyx: yes, but some sites don't have RSS so i would like to have a program that generates it automagically |
| 15:31.09 | Guerin | pzn: that doesn't change the fact that it's not worth it |
| 15:31.25 | Guerin | which, if you recall, was the only objection raised |
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| 15:31.44 | alex__ | asg, is xev a package ? I cannot find the package |
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| 15:32.08 | asg | alex__: it's part of xbase-clients |
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| 15:32.38 | Guerin | anyway |
| 15:32.44 | Guerin | bedtime for little guerins |
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| 15:32.58 | Guerin | play nice, y'hear |
| 15:33.01 | asg | Guerin: didn't know you had any, are you planing to make some? |
| 15:33.03 | dstar | Hey, is it worth compiling a cpu-optimized libc for an Athlon? |
| 15:33.21 | Guerin | asg: not yet, but you know what they say about practice... |
| 15:33.36 | asg | Guerin: ;) night. |
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| 15:33.54 | asg | Ford-Prefect: who cares, just contact them and tell them to stop it. |
| 15:34.03 | alex__ | asg, thanks that works fine, but it only find the keys on my keyboard, I have extra buttons on my laptop and they don't trigger anything |
| 15:34.09 | Ford-Prefect | instead of just having that mare zip or rar... they have to go first with zip, then they have to rar it, and then... you realize that it's 36 niftly little r00 files in there that conceals an ISO file that contains a zipped file???? |
| 15:34.30 | Gujiz | ;) |
| 15:34.39 | Ford-Prefect | 1337 w1nd0w5 h4x0r5 or what??? |
| 15:34.50 | Guerin | someone make that a qotd |
| 15:34.58 | AdrianLP | Ford-Prefect: It does make it smaller, and it saves bandwidth, which some people have to pay for...? |
| 15:35.01 | Guerin | that's fucking hilarious |
| 15:35.11 | Guerin | AdrianLP: no, it most assuredly does not. |
| 15:35.14 | greycat | AdrianLP: no, it doesn't. |
| 15:35.21 | asg | alex__: hmm, you might try lineakd |
| 15:35.25 | AdrianLP | Guerin: Make it smaller? Sure it does. |
| 15:35.31 | Guerin | AdrianLP: no. |
| 15:35.32 | greycat | AdrianLP: by what, 7 bytes? |
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| 15:35.44 | fester420 | iam in debian |
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| 15:35.49 | greycat | iam in a chair |
| 15:35.55 | AdrianLP | Guerin greycat : ISOs I have downloaded are sufficiently larger after I run unrar. |
| 15:35.56 | Ford-Prefect | AdrianLP: I can understand if they want to make it into those 36 small r00... and then make one copy of them collected in one rar... but why on earth do the need the iso, the other two zip and the five other compressed files in there? |
| 15:36.02 | fester420 | i just got it installed |
| 15:36.04 | Gujiz | anyone know any good tutorials, to start Debian mail-server with webmail etc. |
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| 15:36.32 | Ford-Prefect | iam in a rage |
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| 15:36.39 | asg | Gujiz: install squirrelmail, courier-imap, read /usr/share/doc/<pkgs>/* |
| 15:36.44 | AdrianLP | Guerin greycat : Than another 10 - 20% for zip. |
| 15:36.48 | greycat | Gujiz: install sarge, install your MTA of choice, install your IMAP server of choice. Install your webmail agent of choice. Tell her the URL. |
| 15:37.14 | Guerin | AdrianLP: please demonstrate this multi-compression technique of yours by emailing me a file complressed once with the compressor of your choice, then compressed as many times as you like, to guerin%gmx;net |
| 15:37.50 | AdrianLP | Guerin: Go to Kazaa, its now somewhat of a standard. Get your own ISO. |
| 15:38.02 | Guerin | AdrianLP: I'm going to bed now, but I will say only that the choice of a suboptimal compressor is the main culprit here |
| 15:38.16 | Guerin | AdrianLP: I know about commpression. You clearly do not. |
| 15:38.44 | asg | Guerin: perhaps his harddrive is moving at near the speed of light |
| 15:38.45 | AdrianLP | Guerin: Perhaps I've never coded a compression agent, but I do know how to right click in windows and choose "Properties" to see file sizes. |
| 15:38.59 | Guerin | hahahaha |
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| 15:39.04 | Ford-Prefect | *roflmqao* |
| 15:39.08 | greycat | I wrote a Huffman compressor once. |
| 15:39.10 | FieldySnuts | ookay |
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| 15:39.11 | Guerin | asg: I certainly hope so/ |
| 15:39.13 | FieldySnuts | @lart adrian |
| 15:39.14 | AdrianLP | Guerin: The issue was file sizes. |
| 15:39.16 | greycat | trust me, use gzip instead :) |
| 15:39.19 | asg | hehe |
| 15:39.26 | Guerin | AdrianLP: no, the issue was shitty compression routines |
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| 15:39.34 | Guerin | and you lose. |
| 15:39.56 | FieldySnuts | i've found bzip2 -9 to do the best compression, however, takes considerably more cpu time than say, gzip |
| 15:39.59 | AdrianLP | Guerin: Zip and Rar are both fairly good, or, that is, they both reduce file sizes by a fair amount. And they are standards in the win32 world. |
| 15:40.07 | FieldySnuts | typically I do bzip2 -7 anyway |
| 15:40.07 | Guerin | AdrianLP: so? |
| 15:40.22 | FieldySnuts | AdrianLP: who cares? you are not in the windows world here in #debian. |
| 15:40.27 | AdrianLP | Guerin: Do you really expect windows users to use non-intuitive LInux command-line products? |
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| 15:40.34 | FieldySnuts | oh god what a troll. |
| 15:40.36 | alan_c_ | hi! |
| 15:40.41 | FieldySnuts | hi alan_c_ |
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| 15:40.57 | AdrianLP | FieldySnuts: Incorrect, his file was zip/rar'd, so it most likely started in Windows. In fact, Ford-Prefect said so himself. |
| 15:40.57 | Guerin | AdrianLP: I expect people to use the best tool for the job, yes. |
| 15:41.08 | FieldySnuts | AdrianLP: I really don't care |
| 15:41.12 | Guerin | anyway |
| 15:41.12 | alan_c_ | anybody can help me? |
| 15:41.19 | greycat | !tell alan_c_ about ask |
| 15:41.21 | Ford-Prefect | actually... the ace is made in win/32 |
| 15:41.23 | Guerin | much as I would love to keep arguing this toss |
| 15:41.23 | AdrianLP | Guerin: Than you're hoping for something you're not going to get. Experience should have taught you that by age 12. |
| 15:41.24 | FieldySnuts | if you ask an actual question, sure |
| 15:41.33 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: waste of time. |
| 15:41.34 | Guerin | !lose AdrianLP |
| 15:41.34 | AdrianLP | FieldySnuts: Than keep your mouth shut on the topic. |
| 15:41.35 | dpkg | AdrianLP: You Lose. |
| 15:41.37 | risky | How can I get a config file for a debian 2.6.9 kernel without d/l one? can someone maybe give one to me please? |
| 15:41.41 | FieldySnuts | @troll AdrianLP |
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| 15:42.16 | AdrianLP | FieldySnuts: Don't enter a conversation you haven't listened to from the beginning, than spew some stupid "troll" threat. |
| 15:42.25 | Caelum | risky: you can use your old debian .config and "make oldconfig" |
| 15:42.36 | alan_c_ | i'm can not running the xserver with a tft monitor :( |
| 15:42.41 | FieldySnuts | it's not a threat, it's a fact. |
| 15:42.45 | FieldySnuts | now go away windows kiddie |
| 15:42.51 | risky | Caelum, I don't have any debian config tho |
| 15:42.52 | AdrianLP | FieldySnuts: Whatever idiot <ignores> |
| 15:42.56 | Caelum | alan_c_: what problem are you having |
| 15:43.45 | Caelum | risky: you don't really want the standard config if you're building a customized kernel anyway, just use make menuconfig to choose the stuff you need for your setup |
| 15:43.54 | Ford-Prefect | f*ck that archive... I don't really need it anyway... was just to fillout some space on a drive |
| 15:43.59 | alan_c_ | Caelum: No devices detected |
| 15:44.21 | alan_c_ | Caelum: and Fatal server error: No screens found |
| 15:44.34 | greycat | !noscreensfound |
| 15:44.34 | Caelum | alan_c_: the problem then is with your video card configuration |
| 15:44.34 | dpkg | it has been said that noscreensfound is dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, read /var/log/XFree86.* and see what's wrong. No, really. READ it. I mean it. Really read it. See 'supported by'. |
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| 15:45.31 | risky | Caelum, the thing is that I wanted to package a kernel with a minor patch for distribution and I just wanna blame debian for the config if there's a wanted feature ;-) |
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| 15:45.56 | FieldySnuts | you want to fill out some space on a drive? this will run till the partition the file is created on is full: dd if=/dev/zero of=spacewaster.shit |
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| 15:46.07 | FieldySnuts | or if you're using a lame filesystem, it's file size limit is hit |
| 15:46.14 | Citizen_Kane | hello,which processor do you recomend for debian 64 bit? Pentium with extened memory 64 or Opteron ? |
| 15:46.22 | Gujiz | Can somebody tell me one MTA ? what can i use :P |
| 15:46.31 | asg | Gujiz: exim, it's installed by default |
| 15:46.33 | galois | Gujiz: postfix |
| 15:46.37 | FieldySnuts | Citizen_Kane: intel is a joke in the 64 bit world. any amd, opterons are wonderful |
| 15:47.03 | Citizen_Kane | FieldySnuts what about Itanium ? |
| 15:47.08 | FieldySnuts | see abov4 |
| 15:47.10 | FieldySnuts | above |
| 15:47.13 | falkryn | Gujiz: Exchange |
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| 15:47.20 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 15:47.23 | jc-denton | how can i build gcc with apt-build |
| 15:47.28 | jc-denton | apt-build depends on gcc |
| 15:47.28 | jc-denton | ? |
| 15:47.34 | greycat | duh. |
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| 15:47.42 | Citizen_Kane | Opteron is better than Itanium? that's odd |
| 15:47.48 | greycat | no, it's not odd. |
| 15:47.49 | FieldySnuts | no it's not |
| 15:47.52 | falkryn | Citizen_Kane: you mean the Itanic? |
| 15:47.56 | greycat | hah |
| 15:48.00 | FieldySnuts | I repeat, intel is a joke in the 64 bit world. |
| 15:48.07 | FieldySnuts | I speak from experience |
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| 15:48.28 | Citizen_Kane | Could you tell me why? |
| 15:48.35 | ningo | one night in #debian and the world's your oyster |
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| 15:48.45 | FieldySnuts | the first itaniums only did 64 bit. amd's 64 bit cpus always did 64 and 32. the later itaniums claim to do 32 as well, however the ones I messed with, there were all sorts of problems I could not track down in 32 bit. |
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| 15:48.56 | asg | ningo: on night in #debian and your girlfriend's pregnant |
| 15:48.59 | FieldySnuts | and that's as far as I'm going, anyone in the computer world with a clue knows what i'm talking about |
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| 15:49.07 | FieldySnuts | asg: hawha |
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| 15:49.38 | asg | FieldySnuts: /~o it happened while you stopped to get some gas o~/ |
| 15:49.50 | asg | FieldySnuts: /~o all the people there will call you mother o~/ |
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| 15:50.19 | dstar | Can anyone tell me if it's worthwhile to compile an optimized version of libc for an Athlon? |
| 15:50.26 | oskie- | does anyone claim that itanium/ia64 is better than amd64 from experience? /me doubts it |
| 15:50.31 | lamp___ | I have trouble to install nvidia drivers in sarge i have downloaded the nvidia driver on there website i tried to install it but he asked me for te kernel source |
| 15:50.33 | Citizen_Kane | yeah but let's say that we are only use only 64 bit applications. Is still intel a joke ? |
| 15:50.34 | FieldySnuts | somewhat OT here, however, any recommendations on a 32 or 64 bit pci ide card? nothing special, dual channel, no raid, that works in linux? picked up an adaptec (a name i respected till now) ash-1233 and it's got a fucking silicon image chipset on it... it doesn't even see my cd-rom, i.e. can't boot cd's off it. |
| 15:50.38 | FieldySnuts | Citizen_Kane: yes |
| 15:50.43 | greycat | oskie-: I bet the Intel CEO claims it! |
| 15:50.45 | Gujiz | in postfix install it asks "Where should mail for root go" what i answer for that ? what is good ? |
| 15:50.56 | greycat | Gujiz: your own user name. |
| 15:50.57 | asg | Gujiz: your local user is a safe choice |
| 15:50.59 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 15:50.59 | dpkg | mail tutorial is probably at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 15:50.59 | FieldySnuts | not commenting on the cpu stuff anymore, it's so obvious |
| 15:51.03 | phw | Gujiz: the user you often chekin as |
| 15:51.05 | cuse | Hi! I have to build a Debian repository for my company, for our own, custom software. The mini-dinstall package is for providing such a deamon which updated the package list on such a Debian archive server automatically, right? |
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| 15:51.37 | Citizen_Kane | FieldySnuts thanx for your advice |
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| 15:51.44 | FieldySnuts | sure |
| 15:51.49 | k-s | does someone use Java 1.5 converted with alien (rpm->deb) ? |
| 15:51.54 | Caelum | risky: the most important thing to remember when building dist kernels with lots of features, is, to compile in initial ram disk support, and build with make-kpkg --initrd |
| 15:51.54 | k-s | I'm with problems... |
| 15:51.55 | Gujiz | and what i use in "mail name?" my domain ? |
| 15:52.05 | asg | k-s: /msg dpkg install java |
| 15:52.06 | k-s | It always say |
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| 15:52.17 | risky | Caelum, yeah, that I'm gonna do |
| 15:52.17 | k-s | It always say: java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object |
| 15:52.33 | vds | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.48 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 15:52.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 15:52.51 | vds | I'm using nvidia non free drivers |
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| 15:52.57 | risky | Caelum, I just don't want "debian kernels have this and that and yours doesn't.. booohooo" so I just wanna use what comes with debian |
| 15:52.59 | falkryn | k-s: why not use the generic binary from sun instead? |
| 15:53.27 | k-s | falkryn: because I want to keep track of installed files, so i convert them from .rpm to .deb |
| 15:53.30 | greycat | !tell k-s about install java |
| 15:53.34 | asg | falkryn: because that requires lots of work, like updating your PATH or using ls(1) ;) |
| 15:53.47 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas? |
| 15:53.47 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack of ground beef, a little WD-40, and a handful of sex-crazed goats. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 15:53.48 | greycat | !tell k-s about install java-package |
| 15:53.50 | asg | s/ls/ln/ |
| 15:53.52 | greycat | !tell k-s about java-package |
| 15:53.56 | greycat | bah. |
| 15:53.58 | FieldySnuts | weird. i msgd him with that and he said "I don't know" |
| 15:54.00 | k-s | greycat: I already asked dpkg, but isn't of help at all... I want dpkg to keep track of it |
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| 15:54.18 | FieldySnuts | what was wrong with that factoid |
| 15:54.26 | greycat | k-s: THEN BUILD A FUCKING JAVA .DEB USING JAVA-PACKAGE! |
| 15:54.37 | FieldySnuts | heh java isn't worth the trouble, grasshopper. |
| 15:54.41 | greycat | true. |
| 15:54.51 | jc-denton | anybody here uses apt-build? |
| 15:54.54 | greycat | no! |
| 15:54.57 | FieldySnuts | no one |
| 15:54.57 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 15:54.57 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:55.00 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 15:55.04 | FieldySnuts | beat me to it |
| 15:55.06 | J_P | PerfDave: hey, i compile with source from debian now... but result is equal: deinterlace parameter send image only black..., but in woody work fine.. |
| 15:55.19 | jc-denton | hehe |
| 15:55.32 | jc-denton | im very happy with apt build |
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| 15:55.44 | jc-denton | now i can optimize and tune my system as much as i want |
| 15:55.48 | zyv | hi everyone !! |
| 15:55.53 | jc-denton | :P |
| 15:55.53 | FieldySnuts | gah off to find another pci ide card, can't believe adaptec is putting silicon image shit on their cards now. there goes my trust in them |
| 15:55.54 | zyv | i'm in trouble with an extern cd-drive via usb. When i plug it i get this throug stdin: New Usb Device ... asigned addres ... etc etc .. but i dont know the device on /dev to mount it. Somebody knows ¿ |
| 15:55.58 | zyv | the exact message on /var/log/messages is: hub.c: new USB device 00:01.2-1, assigned address 3 |
| 15:56.00 | jc-denton | hii zyv !!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:56.04 | zyv | USB Mass Storage device found at 3 |
| 15:56.07 | zyv | hi jc-denton |
| 15:56.26 | jc-denton | mount /dev/sda<partition> /mnt/usbstick |
| 15:56.36 | greycat | dpkg, no, java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package). |
| 15:56.36 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 15:56.47 | zyv | jc-denton if i do: "fdisk -l /dev/sd*" i get nothing |
| 15:57.10 | jc-denton | humm |
| 15:57.19 | jc-denton | did u load all usb modules? |
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| 15:57.46 | jc-denton | did dmesg say somthing about where in /dev/ the usb storage device is? |
| 15:57.46 | zyv | well i think hotplug app's loads it for me |
| 15:58.09 | zyv | jc-denton: no, dmesg don't say nothing about /dev |
| 15:58.23 | jc-denton | usb-storage is loaded? |
| 15:58.30 | keta | jc-denton: if you like apt-build, you must test this one http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/04/msg04713.html |
| 15:58.38 | zyv | jc-denton: my list of modules |
| 15:58.38 | FieldySnuts | geez. linux-2.6.10.tar.bz2, 36MB, when will the bloat stop |
| 15:58.39 | drac | jc-denton: I think 'udev' does my usbstick.. try it. |
| 15:58.40 | zyv | phobos:/usr/src# lsmod | grep usb |
| 15:58.41 | zyv | usb-storage 70720 0 (unused) |
| 15:58.41 | zyv | scsi_mod 95736 1 [usb-storage] |
| 15:58.41 | zyv | usb-ohci 19560 0 (unused) |
| 15:58.41 | zyv | usbcore 64064 1 [usb-storage usb-ohci] |
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| 15:58.43 | FieldySnuts | er. |
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| 15:58.52 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: spank zyv |
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| 15:59.03 | zyv | wow !!! |
| 15:59.05 | zyv | sorry for flood !!! |
| 15:59.15 | asg | FieldySnuts: the patch from 2.6.9 isn't that large |
| 15:59.30 | jc-denton | drac: humm not sure |
| 15:59.40 | _frank | ! ! |
| 15:59.40 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 15:59.40 | jc-denton | keta: i just was kidding |
| 15:59.41 | FieldySnuts | asg: don't have any kernels on the system ;) otherwise i would |
| 15:59.42 | jc-denton | its nice to have |
| 15:59.47 | FieldySnuts | heh! csh prompt |
| 15:59.56 | asg | !tell wnorrix about away |
| 16:00.06 | keta | jc-denton: well, me too :) |
| 16:00.16 | zyv | jc-denton: so... don't you know nothing about it dud ? |
| 16:00.25 | jc-denton | zyv: modules are loaded |
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| 16:00.32 | goLonghorns | is there a way to do an ftp install of debian off a usb flash drive? |
| 16:00.33 | zyv | yeah ! |
| 16:00.36 | jc-denton | zyv: what kernel are u using? |
| 16:00.40 | zyv | 2.4.26 |
| 16:00.58 | Mad-Duck | lo |
| 16:01.09 | jc-denton | humm |
| 16:01.12 | jc-denton | not sure about that |
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| 16:01.27 | jc-denton | under 2.6 it 'just worked for me' |
| 16:01.32 | jc-denton | zyv: read dmesg again |
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| 16:01.50 | jc-denton | keta: but really |
| 16:01.52 | bart_ | hi all. i'm looking for some resources on how to handle postscript fonts in sarge. |
| 16:02.08 | jc-denton | what i would like to try is to build gcc with apt-build.. |
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| 16:02.30 | greycat | so do it. |
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| 16:02.57 | zyv | ok jc-denton |
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| 16:03.08 | zyv | hub.c: new USB device 00:01.2-1, assigned address 6 |
| 16:03.09 | zyv | WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured |
| 16:03.09 | zyv | USB Mass Storage device found at 6 |
| 16:03.17 | FieldySnuts | stop flooding dickweed |
| 16:03.26 | greycat | whatever. |
| 16:03.32 | FieldySnuts | greycat: ;/ |
| 16:03.35 | jc-denton | zyv: thats all? |
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| 16:03.44 | keta | jc-denton: go one abstraction level further, apt-build apt-build! |
| 16:03.44 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: pastebin? |
| 16:03.46 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: wish i knew |
| 16:03.46 | asg | aarrgghh, Naked Baldrick on History Channel |
| 16:03.53 | FieldySnuts | asg: turn it off!! |
| 16:04.02 | zyv | that's all jc-denton |
| 16:04.03 | asg | FieldySnuts: but I'm strangely aroused |
| 16:04.05 | jc-denton | keta: didnt work too |
| 16:04.13 | jc-denton | keta: u mean apt-build install apt-build? |
| 16:04.15 | bonez39 | dpkg mailman |
| 16:04.15 | dpkg | hmm... mailman is an excellent Python-based mailing list manager. http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ |
| 16:04.18 | JohnP789 | X can't seem to load the nvidia kernel module for me, unless I run "module-assistant auto-install nvidia" as root first. I have to run that every time I boot. |
| 16:04.20 | asg | FieldySnuts: at least he didn't pull out a turnip yet |
| 16:04.24 | FieldySnuts | er.. |
| 16:04.24 | zyv | do you think i miss something jc-denton ? |
| 16:04.32 | JohnP789 | What is module-assistant doing that needs to be redone every boot? |
| 16:04.32 | bonez39 | dpkg mailman configuration |
| 16:04.32 | dpkg | no idea, bonez39 |
| 16:04.40 | asg | bonez39: /msg the bot |
| 16:04.44 | keta | jc-denton: yeah |
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| 16:04.58 | greycat | JohnP789: it's probably modprobe-ing something. |
| 16:04.59 | jc-denton | ysothoth: nope |
| 16:05.04 | greycat | JohnP789: put whatever-it-is in /etc/modules |
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| 16:05.18 | FieldySnuts | odd. if i /msg ravenbird any ideas? it doesn't know, if I ask it here, it comes up with the expected shit, odd |
| 16:05.26 | jc-denton | zyv: its strange i dont see why it doesnt work |
| 16:05.31 | asg | FieldySnuts: lart simonrvn |
| 16:05.33 | JohnP789 | greycat, That's what I thought, but lsmod before and after running module-assistant show exactly the same stuff. |
| 16:05.35 | jc-denton | keta: Sorry, can't find apt-build, is it already installed? |
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| 16:05.47 | jc-denton | keta: --reinstall doesnt work too |
| 16:05.54 | zyv | ok jc-denton thanx for all ! |
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| 16:06.22 | jc-denton | zyv: nothing to thank |
| 16:06.23 | felesh | hi |
| 16:06.26 | wnorrix | sorry |
| 16:06.27 | wnorrix | im trying to get it off |
| 16:06.27 | wnorrix | just dont know how |
| 16:06.33 | jc-denton | keta: ? |
| 16:06.34 | felesh | i have installed xawdecode in sid |
| 16:06.35 | asg | wnorrix: pull |
| 16:06.41 | wnorrix | pull? |
| 16:06.43 | felesh | but xawdecode has changed the name for xdtv |
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| 16:06.54 | felesh | and now xawdecode-plugin not compile |
| 16:07.05 | asg | wnorrix: install an irc client that isn't braindead |
| 16:07.10 | greycat | that's a new one. |
| 16:07.12 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 16:07.14 | felesh | someone has get to compile xawdecode-plugin for xdtv? |
| 16:07.16 | greycat | CTCP VERSION reply from wnorrix: Konversation 0.15 Build 2000 (C)2002-2004 by the Konversation team. |
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| 16:07.29 | George | how do I get mod_php4? |
| 16:07.31 | FieldySnuts | definately a braindead client |
| 16:07.37 | asg | George: libapache-mod-php4 |
| 16:07.55 | wnorrix | its a nice client |
| 16:08.03 | asg | George: in the future, use 'apt-cache search <keywords>' to find relevant packages to install. |
| 16:08.04 | George | asg: is that apache2? |
| 16:08.07 | keta | greycat: it must be a team in which people speaks a lot |
| 16:08.12 | George | asg: yeah, I used that, couldn't find a relevant package |
| 16:08.15 | asg | George: libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 16:08.16 | wnorrix | it only does stuff without yo knowing it |
| 16:08.20 | greycat | keta: and they speak in Kode. |
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| 16:08.53 | keta | hah |
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| 16:09.06 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 16:09.10 | [ningo] | hoh |
| 16:09.18 | asg | Keehee |
| 16:09.27 | [ningo] | snigger |
| 16:09.41 | greycat | omg wtf lolz!!! rotflmao lol |
| 16:09.48 | asg | !greycat++ |
| 16:09.58 | [ningo] | !greycat++ |
| 16:10.20 | asg | phew, Baldrick put his clothes back on |
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| 16:16.41 | Bongleton | hey guys, i just bought a sony vaoi mp3 walkman, but the software that comes with it is only for windows, not even mac or linux support, so i was wondering if anyone knew of how i would go about using software for file transfer etc etc? |
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| 16:16.57 | FieldySnuts | likely usb mass storage or something, best i can guess |
| 16:17.24 | Bongleton | usb mass storage? |
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| 16:18.02 | asg | Bongleton: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 16:18.08 | skrutt | isnt debian kernel 2.6.9 and 2.6.10 available yet? |
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| 16:18.46 | asg | skrutt: yes, kernel.org has them |
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| 16:19.07 | skrutt | asg: the debian patched ones? |
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| 16:19.17 | asg | skrutt: no, sid only has 2.6.9 at the moment |
| 16:19.20 | Bongleton | hmm load the usb-storage and sd modules? Will they be loaded my default? |
| 16:19.44 | skrutt | asg: ok, and sarge? only found up to 2.6.7, is that right? |
| 16:19.51 | asg | Bongleton: no, to auto-load modules at boot, put their names in /etc/modules |
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| 16:20.15 | asg | skrutt: 2.6.8 is in sarge. |
| 16:20.43 | asg | skrutt: though it is completely broken for some hardware. |
| 16:20.44 | IaMn00B | is debian install text mode or graphic? |
| 16:20.47 | KirbyMeister | I loaded the modules for the via integrated sound chipset into the kernel via modconf, but after they install, they still show up as a - (not installed) instead of a + (installed) on the menu. And, even if I reboot, I still dont have sound. |
| 16:20.53 | skrutt | oh, found it know. |
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| 16:21.07 | skrutt | asg: it is? how about 2.6.7? |
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| 16:21.20 | takatumi | is sarge stuck on 2.6.8? |
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| 16:21.30 | asg | skrutt: 2.6.7 works fine (at least for tg3 nics) |
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| 16:21.45 | asg | takatumi: that looks to be the 2.6 release for sarge, yes |
| 16:21.47 | skrutt | asg: ok. thanks |
| 16:22.18 | KirbyMeister | And I also have the problem where directories dont show up as directories in Nautilus. |
| 16:22.21 | takatumi | asg: hope they move on. |
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| 16:22.41 | asg | takatumi: not likely unless the last d-i release includes 2.6.9 or 2.6.10 |
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| 16:24.16 | Bongleton | hmm where can i get sd and usb-storage modules from, i have done a apt-cache search for them but nothing returned, also updated, but still returned nothing. And just lsmod and those modules aren't already loaded |
| 16:24.32 | goLonghorns | modprobe them? |
| 16:24.37 | asg | Bongleton: they are part of your kernel. modprobe usb-storage sd |
| 16:24.41 | galois | modconf? |
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| 16:24.41 | Bongleton | oh |
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| 16:24.51 | IaMn00B | is debian install text or Graphix? |
| 16:25.02 | asg | IaMn00B: text, thankfully |
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| 16:25.22 | Bongleton | cool |
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| 16:25.58 | googleson | now this is weird: |
| 16:26.03 | googleson | WantMilk:/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages# rm -rf BitTorrent/ |
| 16:26.03 | googleson | rm: cannot remove `BitTorrent//selectpoll.py': Permission denied |
| 16:26.03 | googleson | WantMilk:/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages# ls -ld BitTorrent/ |
| 16:26.03 | googleson | drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 80 Dec 27 18:23 BitTorrent/ |
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| 16:26.24 | googleson | anyone know how could this happen?? I'mroot |
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| 16:26.39 | googleson | sorry for flooding |
| 16:26.51 | iceman | files inside the directory can have other permission than the directory itself |
| 16:27.00 | iceman | permissions* |
| 16:27.02 | googleson | I know |
| 16:27.05 | Bongleton | if i add a line in /etc/modules do i add usb_storage sd or just usb_storage on a line by itself? and sd on a separate line, i take it the full module is usb_storage sd ? |
| 16:27.14 | googleson | t# ls -l selectpoll.py |
| 16:27.14 | googleson | ls: selectpoll.py: Permission denied |
| 16:27.15 | FieldySnuts | impressive. a pci ide card that actually says linux support. |
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| 16:27.29 | FieldySnuts | seeing things like that more and more lately, though at a snails pace increase |
| 16:27.30 | Bongleton | erm usb-storage sd |
| 16:27.34 | googleson | iceman, I'm root and can't even see the permission of the file... |
| 16:27.44 | asg | Bongleton: each module on a line by itself |
| 16:27.58 | rjalex | hello ... is there a way of seeing those fleeting shutdown messages somewhere ? I see some lvm related errors and would like to transcribe them |
| 16:28.01 | asg | googleson: go to single user, remount the filesystem as ro, and fsck it. |
| 16:28.06 | iceman | googleson: that is very strange, I have nothing.. |
| 16:28.13 | galois | rjalex: in syslog |
| 16:28.13 | nvz | FieldySnuts: on garde, cliche cliche.. heh |
| 16:28.23 | asg | googleson: also, run 'lsattr' on the files and verify that they don't have extended attributes |
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| 16:28.35 | rjalex | galois: no they are not in syslog unfortunately |
| 16:28.41 | Bongleton | well i did modprobe usb-storage sd , unless modprobe takes it in as a list? and processes usb-storage, then sd? are they separate modules, is basically what i mean? as i'm unsure whether i put usb-storage \n sd or usb-storage sd etc ? |
| 16:28.44 | googleson | # lsattr selectpoll.py |
| 16:28.44 | googleson | lsattr: Permission denied while trying to stat selectpoll.py |
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| 16:28.53 | googleson | as I will go for fscking it, thanks |
| 16:28.55 | asg | googleson: then fsck that filesystem |
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| 16:29.11 | FieldySnuts | hah! the company who makes the card, that says it's usable in linux, their home page says "This site looks best when viewed with the latest version of Mozilla Firefox" |
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| 16:29.16 | googleson | it's not possible to do this right: # mount -o remount,ro / |
| 16:29.17 | FieldySnuts | like firefox or nice, that's a nice change |
| 16:29.21 | googleson | ? |
| 16:29.41 | FieldySnuts | company is SiiG by the way. I haven't heard of them, but maybe i'll try their stuff. |
| 16:29.42 | asg | googleson: sometimes but ymmv. If in doubt, touch /forcefsck ; reboot |
| 16:29.47 | takatumi | Bongleton: lsmod will show you what is loaded |
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| 16:30.35 | Bongleton | sd_mod and usb_storage, but i need to know what i add in /etc/modules, so they load on bootup |
| 16:30.45 | asg | Bongleton: one per line |
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| 16:30.50 | Bongleton | cool ;-) |
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| 16:30.57 | asg | Bongleton: /etc/modules has information in the comment at the top |
| 16:31.35 | rjalex | I need something to log the messages at shutdown just like bootlogd does for the startup !! Any ideas ? |
| 16:32.18 | asg | rjalex: setup a serial console to another system, use minicom on the other system to log the console. (Hackish but it does work.) |
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| 16:32.46 | rjalex | asg: I only have one system :( |
| 16:32.51 | FieldySnuts | hm. SiiG is definately linux friendly, their products that work in linux have a little penguin icon next to them, very nice |
| 16:33.16 | takatumi | !siig |
| 16:34.00 | FieldySnuts | including a raid controller, tempting |
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| 16:34.48 | asg | rjalex: use a video recorder to record the screen, transcribe afterwards in slo-mo? |
| 16:35.22 | rjalex | During shutdown I can glimpse fragments of a LVM related message like: /dev/vg1/lvhome ..unlink failed.. read only ... my VG and it's LV seem in good shape. Wonder if it could be a shutdown script bug ? |
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| 16:35.32 | rjalex | asg: LOL tha is a clever idea ! |
| 16:35.39 | JeffWilson12 | trying to mount my mp3 player; its connected, and i checked /var/log/messages ... it says its recognized as a storage device ... but I don't know where its at to mount. I mean, I know its somewhere in /dev/sdX, but how do I find the exact device it is at? |
| 16:35.58 | asg | JeffWilson12: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 16:36.19 | JeffWilson12 | asg: thanks. |
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| 16:38.58 | nevle | can anyone tell me why data saved on usb-stick in xp-pro didn't show up in linux? |
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| 16:40.27 | falkryn | does anyone know if the cd set for sarge, whether the first iso has the beta-installer on it yet? |
| 16:40.41 | JeffWilson12 | hmm...appears I found it (/dev/sda), but now when i do "mount /dev/sda /mnt/mp3 -t vfat" it tells me that i have a wrong fs type, there are too many mounted volumes, or /dev/sda is not a valid superblock...hmm... |
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| 16:41.09 | Gujiz | how can i know what user runs apache ? |
| 16:41.12 | cahoot | JeffWilson12: try sda1 |
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| 16:41.20 | alfatau | hi, i'm going to buy a new extern modem for my laptop because mine is a winmodem and i'm not able to get it working. So i can choose an USB modem or a serial one. What do u advice me for not having to do a great configuration work? |
| 16:41.21 | skelll | hello , anyone use gmailfs under sid here ? |
| 16:41.40 | JeffWilson12 | cahoot: already did. no luck: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device. |
| 16:41.53 | scol | hi is it possible to run kde applications under gnome without installing kde ..just those qt and kdelibs ..get many dependency errors :8 |
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| 16:42.10 | pmfp | Gujiz: ps aux | grep apache |
| 16:42.23 | skelll | i have dependency probleme when i want to install gmailfs under sid (python-fuse and fuse-utils) |
| 16:42.25 | asg | Gujiz: it will be www-data (if you run a debian system) |
| 16:42.43 | skelll | any idea where i can grab those .deb ? |
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| 16:43.03 | asdf_ | anyone got any ideas why this mail im sending to debian users mailing list isnt showing up? |
| 16:43.17 | pmfp | skelll: I have dependancy problem when I want to install myself in the US (greencard) |
| 16:43.22 | rjale1 | in order to purge exim from my laptop I had to remove the at package --- will this break anything ? |
| 16:43.23 | pmfp | skelll: care to be more specific? |
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| 16:43.43 | Bongleton | hmm well, i have modprobed the usb-storage and sd modules, and they appear to have been loaded, i've connected the usb mp3 player, but there's no partition table for it, so i'm not sure what it will come under? |
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| 16:44.23 | skelll | pmfp : gmailfs ask me for fuse-utils <2.0... (Same for python-fuse) but in aptitude i just have 1.3 versions avaible |
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| 16:44.51 | Codyman | hi |
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| 16:45.29 | rjale1 | will purging my exim4 packages break anything ? I removed mutt and at ... not sure the latter was a good idea :) |
| 16:45.56 | alfatau | hi, i'm going to buy a new extern modem for my laptop because mine is a winmodem and i'm not able to get it working. So i can choose an USB modem or a serial one. What do u advice me for not having to do a great configuration work? |
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| 16:46.23 | skelll | alfatau : google (i will say) |
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| 16:47.07 | Bongleton | if i use konqueror to check under devices there is a hard disc (sda1) [/mnt/usb] but when i click on it it says "mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device Please check that the disk is enterered correctly" |
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| 16:47.35 | rjale1 | is there a log of which packages (with versions) where installed/upgraded/deleted and WHEN ? TIA |
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| 16:48.23 | nevle | hi, data saved onto usb stick didn't show up in linux, any ideas? |
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| 16:48.59 | JeffWilson12 | mount doesn't seem to recognize the FS on my mp3 player?... i tried without the -t option for autodetect; tells me if needs to know the fs....i tried vfat, no luck. /dev/sda1 will not mount.../dev/sda is the best luck ive had so far |
| 16:49.26 | greycat | and of course you can't say what mp3 player it is... or what "file - < /dev/sda1" said... |
| 16:50.05 | JeffWilson12 | greycat: RCA Lyra mp3 player |
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| 16:51.29 | Codyman | hi |
| 16:51.37 | Bongleton | i loaded the sd and usb-storage modules, and checked /var/log/messages, and i can see that it see's the device attached for /sda says spinning up disk... ready then scsi device sda: 512-byte hdwr sectors 2000mb) sda: assuming write enabled /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lin0: attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi4 channel 0 etc |
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| 16:52.25 | Codyman | i just installed debian.. wasn't detecting my monitor/resolutions right, so I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and used all the correct variables for monitors vid cards etc. but now i get an error saying "no screens found" |
| 16:52.30 | Bongleton | but it is saying /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device? |
| 16:53.02 | JeffWilson12 | well, file - < /dev/sda says: /dev/stdin: error: cannot read '(null)' (Input/output error) ... file - < /dev/sda1 says no such device or address ... |
| 16:53.32 | KirbyMeister | For some reason, no matter how many times I load ac97 and via82cxxx-audio via modconf, it never appears in lsmod, even after I reboot. Is there something wrong with my system? |
| 16:53.47 | Bongleton | mine says /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x5a, OEM-ID "MSWIN4.1", sectors/cluster 32, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, sectors 39063024 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 9535, reserved3 0x800000, serial number 0x0, unlabeled |
| 16:53.50 | greycat | JeffWilson12: then you have bigger issues... |
| 16:53.50 | Codyman | also now I noticed that even after using the "reconfigure" that in /etc/X11 there is no longer an xfree86config-4 file |
| 16:54.08 | Nurbs | why does "apt-get dist-upgrade" always want to install libhowl0 on my (unstable/experimental) system? nothing else is upgraded and I can remove it fine afterwards again... |
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| 16:54.39 | Bongleton | greycat, any idea how i can mount my usb mp3 player? |
| 16:55.07 | JeffWilson12 | greycat: thing is though, /dev/sda1 does exist; ls /dev | grep sda shows it |
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| 16:56.07 | greycat | JeffWilson12: of course the NODE exists. |
| 16:56.25 | greycat | It doesn't say "No such file or directory". It says "No such device". BIG HUGE difference. |
| 16:56.34 | JeffWilson12 | greycat: ah. |
| 16:56.40 | greycat | if you had read the first page of the FAQ, you'd've known that. |
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| 16:57.34 | Bongleton | greycat: any idea why i can't mount my usb device. I can see the device there under file:/ and devices in konqueror, if i try to mount /mnt/usb it says it's not a valid block |
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| 16:58.04 | JeffWilson12 | Bongleton: thats the exact problem im having... |
| 16:58.12 | Bongleton | i know |
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| 16:58.22 | Bongleton | but my device is recognised, as it can see it |
| 16:58.30 | Codyman | my xconfig file was erased.. how can I make a new one? |
| 16:58.35 | greycat | Bongleton: well, I doubt very much that /mnt/usb is a block device. |
| 16:58.39 | KirbyMeister | I cant get modconf to load modules, even as root |
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| 16:59.22 | Bongleton | hmm |
| 16:59.31 | KirbyMeister | It's strange, I'll load a module, but it doesnt show up in lsmod, even after a reboot |
| 16:59.43 | Bongleton | put it in /etc/modules |
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| 17:00.02 | KirbyMeister | Huh? Methinks modconf does that automatically |
| 17:00.24 | Bongleton | well, i am confused then what exactly i have to do to get it to mount my usb mp3 player. I read dpkg's response for usb-storage |
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| 17:01.37 | JeffWilson12 | Bongleton: me too . . . pretty much followed what he said; no difference. |
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| 17:02.40 | KirbyMeister | IS there any way to manually load a module using a text editor? |
| 17:03.02 | Piru | text editor? uh? |
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| 17:03.11 | KirbyMeister | methinks I should try that |
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| 17:05.09 | villemz | any idea what to do with this: apache: relocation error: /usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so: undefined symbol: php_sprintf? |
| 17:05.30 | KirbyMeister | Okay, so I found this in my modules.conf: 'alias ac97 off' which I think turns it off |
| 17:06.16 | KirbyMeister | I removed the line |
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| 17:06.59 | winoscar | I'm trying to install debian on an old computer, but I keep getting this strange error message - "cramfs: wrong magic" "Kernel panic, unable to mount root fs", and I have no idea why |
| 17:07.04 | winoscar | I'm using debian-installer |
| 17:07.23 | floters | j'in installé apache + php+mysql+phpmyadmin |
| 17:08.03 | floters | je me suis loggé sous phpmyadmin, et now, je n'arrive plus a rentrer dedans |
| 17:08.18 | floters | savez-vous ou je peux modifier la base (je suis un novice) |
| 17:08.24 | greycat | !fr |
| 17:08.24 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 17:09.01 | Bongleton | yay finally got it to work |
| 17:09.17 | floters | sorry |
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| 17:09.37 | necrite | hi |
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| 17:10.34 | KirbyMeister | How do I make it so that someone other than root can access my fat32 partition and write to it? |
| 17:11.11 | SlimeyPete | put it in your fstab with the attributes "user, noauto" |
| 17:11.20 | KirbyMeister | Good. |
| 17:11.26 | SlimeyPete | then normal users can mount and access it |
| 17:11.35 | dseomn | maybe dpkg should be made to anwser that question |
| 17:11.46 | nvz | my not-so-local mirror seems to be down |
| 17:11.53 | greycat | !vfatrw |
| 17:11.53 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 17:11.57 | greycat | dseomn: you mean like that? |
| 17:12.08 | greycat | instead of the WRONG ANSWER that was given by SlimeyPete? |
| 17:12.11 | dseomn | greycat: yeah |
| 17:12.14 | necrite | any one here knows how can i limit the size of any file in pureftpd ? not the total size .. for example.. i can upload 10 files .. 1M each . but i cant upload one file which size is 10M |
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| 17:14.10 | villemz | no idea with mysql.so undefined symbol: php_sprintf? |
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| 17:15.15 | winoscar | is there any simple way to install debian through a gentoo cd? I can't get my computer to boot with anything else, and I want debian (it's an old computer, I don't want to wait for three days for it to compile) |
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| 17:15.28 | jcurry | my dns server (bind9) tells me permission is denied when trying to access a database journal file, even though the permisssions are set correctly...what is wrong |
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| 17:18.57 | winoscar | anyone? :( |
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| 17:19.24 | oramirez | winoscar, hi... |
| 17:19.32 | winoscar | hi :) |
| 17:19.35 | dseomn | winoscar: If you can get deboostrap installed on the cd, you could use that |
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| 17:19.52 | winoscar | deboostrap? |
| 17:20.04 | dseomn | !info debootstrap sarge |
| 17:20.07 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.2.45 (sarge), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 194 kB |
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| 17:20.25 | scirkuit | is it possible to do a debian install on a laptop which only has a wifi card connecting it to the outside world? (no cd drive either) |
| 17:20.51 | winoscar | dseomn, alright, is there any way to install it on a non-debian-env? |
| 17:20.52 | dseomn | scirkuit: do you have parrallel, serial, or a floppy? |
| 17:21.07 | dseomn | yeah, but it needs to fit into ram |
| 17:21.30 | dseomn | you can download the dpkg sources, compile them, and install it with dpkg |
| 17:21.39 | floters | i have a problem, when i write mysql -u root --password, then i give my password, the show databases |
| 17:21.42 | jcurry | my dns server (bind9) tells me permission is denied when trying to access a database journal file, even though the permisssions are set correctly...what is wrong |
| 17:21.51 | floters | i watch two tables: mysql, test |
| 17:21.52 | Vladi | does any one know when the new horde will make it into testing / sarge? |
| 17:21.54 | scirkuit | parrallel maybe i can get hooked up, is there a howto on doing a parrallel install? |
| 17:21.56 | arango | I don't know anything about zaurus or openzaurus, but we want to purchase some Linux PDAs for a company project. I have some basic questions I'd like to ask ... |
| 17:21.56 | winoscar | dseomn, where's the homepage? I can't find it :/ |
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| 17:22.07 | arango | oops |
| 17:22.12 | dseomn | winoscar: www.debian.org? |
| 17:22.13 | arango | wrong group |
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| 17:22.22 | winoscar | dseomn, I'll take a second look |
| 17:22.43 | floters | when i write use mysql, i have an error 1044: Access denied for user '@localhost' to databse 'mysql' |
| 17:22.57 | floters | do you know what |
| 17:23.03 | floters | and what is the solution |
| 17:23.10 | bonez39 | dpkg mailman_setup |
| 17:23.10 | dpkg | bonez39: i don't know |
| 17:23.15 | bonez39 | dpkg mailman |
| 17:23.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mailman is an excellent Python-based mailing list manager. http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ |
| 17:23.31 | bonez39 | dpkg mailman/more |
| 17:23.31 | dpkg | bonez39: wish i knew |
| 17:24.02 | Gujiz | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
| 17:24.07 | Gujiz | when i use screen :/ |
| 17:24.17 | bonez39 | dpkg help mailman |
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| 17:24.25 | bonez39 | dpkg help |
| 17:24.45 | [ningo] | !tell bonez39 about help |
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| 17:25.20 | jaye | hello |
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| 17:25.36 | dijz | hi, any have debian testing at today upgrade? i have problens about xlib, i think |
| 17:25.58 | dijz | xlib6 |
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| 17:27.25 | felixdz | hello. anybody here from nl using xs4all adsl? |
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| 17:28.08 | Wily | hi all |
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| 17:28.34 | Wily | i've a problem with debian upgrade |
| 17:28.41 | Wily | can anyone help me? |
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| 17:29.15 | Wily | please, can anyone help me? |
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| 17:29.32 | dseomn | wily: what's the problem? |
| 17:29.32 | scirkuit | state your problem |
| 17:29.56 | Wily | i've a boot problem |
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| 17:30.08 | debuserCC | I want to modify preferences of Xterm, unfortunately modifying .Xdefaults don't make any change |
| 17:30.17 | Wily | i've done apt-get upgrade |
| 17:30.24 | dseomn | wily: won't boot? or boots weirdly? |
| 17:30.25 | Wily | and after installing it well |
| 17:30.42 | Wily | please... |
| 17:30.46 | scirkuit | hehe (success) looks like he finally escaped eh? |
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| 17:30.55 | Wily | i've done apt-get upgrade |
| 17:30.59 | scirkuit | please what wily? |
| 17:31.13 | Wily | and installation is finished |
| 17:31.18 | Wily | very well |
| 17:31.27 | Wily | at rebooting |
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| 17:31.31 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 17:31.31 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 17:31.34 | Active2 | Wily: if you here cry: "help my system don't boot" <- we can't smell what's going wrong... |
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| 17:32.07 | debuserCC | can anyone tell me why editing .Xdefaults doesn't change my Xterm preferences? |
| 17:32.08 | falkryn | Wily: why don't you just give us your IP and root passwd and maybe some here can check it out for ya |
| 17:32.17 | Wily | "error" message is: "ttyS0: LSR safety check engaged |
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| 17:32.33 | Active2 | Wily: and then ? |
| 17:32.36 | dseomn | wily: so...? |
| 17:32.37 | Bombo | is there a way to automatically load the alsa modules? when i boot my sarge and start xmms there is no sound, until i modprobe snd-sbawe |
| 17:32.37 | Wily | and since it become backgrounded |
| 17:32.50 | Wily | system booting is paused |
| 17:33.13 | scirkuit | you're making a kind of sense thats not |
| 17:33.14 | Active2 | Bombo: /etc/modules |
| 17:33.24 | Wily | what is problem for this message error? |
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| 17:33.46 | cahoot | debuserCC: what if you run xrdb -override ~/.Xdefaults? |
| 17:33.51 | Wily | repeat: ttyS0: LSR safety check engaged |
| 17:34.00 | greycat | debuser: because you didn't run xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults afterward |
| 17:34.10 | Bombo | Active2: ah thx |
| 17:34.10 | scirkuit | Wily: i'm pretty sure thats not an error message |
| 17:34.33 | greycat | and because you left the channel before you could get an answer. |
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| 17:36.22 | abel | hi all |
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| 17:36.35 | abel | i have [another] probleme with my debian |
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| 17:37.40 | abel | i have to sound card and i must find a way to tell to debian i want alsa to use the first one ... |
| 17:37.55 | abel | any clue on what i need to do |
| 17:38.00 | abel | ? |
| 17:38.08 | cahoot | abel: load the module for the card |
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| 17:38.49 | debuserCC | hi guys |
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| 17:39.26 | Wily | are there italian tecnician? |
| 17:39.29 | abel | cahoot: both are loaded but the wrong one is loaded first so it is the hw:1,0 and when i cat /proc/asound/cards the wrong is the 0 one ;( |
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| 17:40.08 | arango | anyone in here know japanesse ? |
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| 17:40.21 | debuserCC | I added XTerm*background = white to my ~/.Xdefaults but background color doesn't change |
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| 17:40.32 | abel | arango : watashiwa abel san , konichiwa ;) |
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| 17:40.48 | debuserCC | can anyone tell me why? |
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| 17:41.05 | greycat | debuser: because you made up random syntax. |
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| 17:41.18 | debuserCC | what's the correct one? |
| 17:41.18 | greycat | that rarely works out very well |
| 17:41.18 | arango | abel: I need something from the sharp japan site, but I don't understand shit |
| 17:41.21 | moath | Are there any official debian kernel images with the super big memory support compiled in (ie 64GB)? |
| 17:41.25 | KirbyMeister | okay, I managed to get a mixer working, but whenever something tries to play I get static |
| 17:41.25 | scirkuit | debuserCC: <cahoot> debuserCC: what if you run xrdb -override ~/.Xdefaults? |
| 17:41.30 | greycat | debuser: XTerm*background:<TAB>white |
| 17:41.34 | greycat | NO SPACES, NO EQUALS SIGNS |
| 17:41.44 | debuserCC | oh |
| 17:41.47 | scirkuit | debuserCC: <greycat> debuser: because you didn't run xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults afterward |
| 17:41.49 | topa_ | moath, how much RAM do you use ? |
| 17:41.55 | moath | topa_: this server has 6GB |
| 17:41.57 | abel | arango: it was a joke ;( i'm not good enought to help u , first year of japanese 4 me ;( |
| 17:41.58 | KirbyMeister | moath: 64GB RAM? You have a 64-bit processor, right? |
| 17:42.16 | topa_ | moath, !! |
| 17:42.21 | moath | KirbyMeister: it's a Dual Xeon box with 6GB of ram, but the 4GB support doesn't allow me to use it all |
| 17:42.37 | topa_ | moath, tried compiling your own kernel ? |
| 17:42.38 | moath | i've done custom kernels in the past with success and stability, but it'd be nice to use an official debian one :) |
| 17:42.43 | cahoot | abel: is this an onborad + a pci card? |
| 17:42.49 | cahoot | onboard |
| 17:42.51 | KirbyMeister | moath: The Zeons are 32-bit, meaning they can only address 4GB ram max |
| 17:42.59 | abel | cahoot : yes !!! |
| 17:43.12 | moath | KirbyMeister: no seriously, it has 6GB and can address it...i think it's 4GB per processor |
| 17:43.23 | KirbyMeister | moath: Unless you are trying to give each proc half the ram |
| 17:43.30 | KirbyMeister | moath: I have no idea if that is even possible |
| 17:43.45 | cahoot | abel: the onboard gets picked up first? |
| 17:43.49 | moath | KirbyMeister: http://supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DP8-G2.cfm |
| 17:43.51 | abel | cahoot : and i hate nvidia i have this sheat since i have install there NETWORK ethernet driver and i have answer no when they ask me if i want some sound |
| 17:43.59 | abel | cahoot :yes !!!! |
| 17:44.03 | moath | KirbyMeister: as you can see, that motherboard supports up to 16GB |
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| 17:44.12 | KirbyMeister | Now, I have a problem, when playing a file, I get static on PCM and XMMS crashes |
| 17:44.16 | cahoot | abel: you want/need both? |
| 17:44.23 | moath | KirbyMeister: what kind of video card? |
| 17:44.38 | abel | cahoot : no , only my beloved soundblaster live |
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| 17:44.49 | KirbyMeister | moath: It's using ac97 and via86cxxx_audio modules |
| 17:44.59 | cahoot | abel: personally I resorted to disabling the onboard in bios |
| 17:45.02 | moath | KirbyMeister: yea, but what kind of video card do you have? |
| 17:45.17 | KirbyMeister | moath: it sucks, it's an Nvidia TNT2 Vanta LT |
| 17:45.24 | moath | KirbyMeister: i know i had issues with my sb live and some nvidia cards |
| 17:45.30 | moath | KirbyMeister: are you using the nvidia drivers? |
| 17:45.31 | abel | cahoot i lof of and try this asap |
| 17:45.37 | abel | cahoot i log of and try this asap |
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| 17:45.48 | KirbyMeister | moath: Xfree86 is using driver 'nv' |
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| 17:46.08 | moath | KirbyMeister: try getting the nonfree nvidia drivers and see if those make a difference |
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| 17:47.09 | KirbyMeister | moath: okay, how should I go about doing that, what do I need to add to my sources.list and what do I need to apt-get? |
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| 17:48.12 | moath | KirbyMeister: do you have nvidia-glx installed? |
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| 17:48.19 | debuserCC | sorry....I had to reboot |
| 17:48.22 | KirbyMeister | moath: in what, apt-get? |
| 17:48.29 | debuserCC | what was the command to update .Xdefaults? |
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| 17:48.33 | moath | KirbyMeister: yea |
| 17:48.43 | debuserCC | xds...xrds...I don't remember |
| 17:48.59 | cahoot | debuserCC: scroll up |
| 17:49.03 | debuserCC | I can't |
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| 17:49.07 | debuserCC | I rebooted |
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| 17:49.27 | debuserCC | please |
| 17:49.32 | PerfDave | KirbyMeister: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 17:49.53 | cahoot | debuserCC: xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults |
| 17:50.29 | KirbyMeister | moath: no, I dont have nvidia-glx in my package manager |
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| 17:50.43 | moath | KirbyMeister: ok..do what perfdave said |
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| 17:51.09 | galois | why woudl upgrading teh kernel mean that network connectivity was lost? The driver and card are connected and ifconifg displays it as working. However, there is no traffic through the device |
| 17:51.14 | debuserCC | thanks |
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| 17:53.00 | voldy | hello - i tried installing a mozilla plugin, and my mozilla died. after numerous tries, it doesn't start. it opens the 'choose a profile' screen but after that if i click on my profile, it just doesn't open. unlesss you have a better idea, i'm going to just uninstall and reinstall mozilla. however, i need to back up my bookmarks first. does someone know where mozilla keeps bookmarks on my machine? |
| 17:53.25 | moath | voldy: try going to about:plugins] |
| 17:53.26 | moath | er |
| 17:53.28 | moath | about:plugins |
| 17:53.37 | moath | voldy: do you see the plugin listed? |
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| 17:53.48 | meff | hullo there |
| 17:53.49 | meff | ;) |
| 17:53.56 | PerfDave | voldy: Is it Mozilla or Mozilla Firefox, and which version? |
| 17:53.58 | moath | meff: hey how goes? |
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| 17:54.04 | cahoot | voldy: my guess is there is a lock file in ~/.mozilla/.. to remove |
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| 17:54.17 | meff | moath: you know where tf is the pixmap engine for gtk2? |
| 17:54.28 | PerfDave | voldy: It'll be somewhere in ~/.mozilla or ~/.firefox, look for a file in a subdirectory called bookmarks.html |
| 17:54.42 | PerfDave | voldy: You can probably just remove your profile rather than reinstalling the whole application. |
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| 17:54.46 | moath | meff: tf? |
| 17:54.49 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.55 | meff | moath: the fuck :) |
| 17:54.57 | PerfDave | voldy: You might also try running the browser from a console window to see what output is generated. |
| 17:55.07 | moath | meff: oh, heh |
| 17:55.09 | voldy | wow thanks guys |
| 17:55.17 | moath | meff: like where it's located on the system or what packages they're in? |
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| 17:55.40 | meff | moath: i can barely use any themes w/out it.. i've apt-cache searched, looked on packages. .. etc, i cannot find the gtk2 pixmap engine |
| 17:55.42 | voldy | it's mozilla, not firefox. |
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| 17:55.55 | moath | meff: apt-get install gtk2-engines* |
| 17:55.55 | voldy | i don't see a file called 'lock' anywhere |
| 17:56.11 | voldy | i can't go to about:plugins because the browser doesn't begin at all |
| 17:56.22 | moath | meff: changing engines is a different animal |
| 17:56.28 | moath | i can't remember how ATM :P |
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| 17:56.32 | voldy | it's mozilla - whatever version apt-get gives me (i'm in sid) |
| 17:56.38 | moath | lol |
| 17:57.48 | Tom- | Voldy: Is the process running, just that there's no window? |
| 17:58.09 | voldy | Tom- yes. and i kill it with kill. |
| 17:58.33 | Tom- | Voldy: I've met that bug before. Have you tried Firefox? i think it's better anyways |
| 17:58.52 | galois | why woudl upgrading teh kernel mean that network connectivity was lost? The driver and card are connected and ifconifg displays it as working. However, there is no traffic through the device |
| 17:59.20 | voldy | Tom-: I used to use firefox but iirc the fonts look ugly in gnome |
| 17:59.29 | Tom- | Galois: If ifconfig works then you probably didn't forget the network card driver or IP drivers |
| 17:59.49 | galois | Tom-: agreed, but a change of kernel puts things back to working |
| 17:59.52 | moath | galois: how many packets do you show received/sent/ |
| 17:59.53 | Tom- | Galois: Are you sure it's a kernel iss.. okay |
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| 18:00.28 | galois | moath: no idea, but connectivity appears to be immediately lost (DNS issues, ping, etc) |
| 18:00.55 | moath | galois: i do you have plug and play bios support enabled in your bios? |
| 18:00.58 | galois | Tom-: I think it is something else, but I am at a loss as to what else may ahve broken |
| 18:01.04 | galois | only other possibility is dhcp |
| 18:01.16 | galois | moath: the driver is deteced fine (lsmod) |
| 18:01.17 | moath | galois: i think some kernels support it and others don't...i can't remember the specific option in the kernel that fixes it |
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| 18:01.37 | galois | hmm |
| 18:01.37 | moath | galois: yea, it'll be detected fine, but the problem is the irq that it tries to address the card at |
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| 18:01.47 | galois | moath: ah |
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| 18:02.56 | galois | moath: so you think it is a pnp problem |
| 18:03.01 | Tom- | Voldy: Do you have Flash installed? |
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| 18:03.13 | voldy | Tom-: yes |
| 18:03.14 | FieldySnuts | oops. |
| 18:03.15 | moath | galois: could be...i don't think you could do any harm with a simple reboot to disable pnp support... |
| 18:03.22 | moath | galois: i know it's fixed issues for me in the past |
| 18:03.29 | galois | moath: btw the only one which works is bf2.4, I have tried 2.4.18 (prebuilt) and 2.4.28 |
| 18:03.41 | galois | disable it? |
| 18:03.47 | voldy | Tom-: i don't think that's what did it though, 'cause it's worked fine |
| 18:03.55 | moath | galois: yea...i think the option is usually called "PNP OS Installed?" |
| 18:04.02 | moath | galois: and you set it to No to fix it |
| 18:04.02 | Tom- | well there's this bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=96623&archive=yes |
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| 18:04.04 | zophyx | can i switch to a different virtual console over a serial console connection ? |
| 18:04.04 | StM2 | how could you apt-get setted that he must work with unstable packages? |
| 18:04.33 | Tom- | basically, there's lots of bug reports for Mozilla not starting properly, heh |
| 18:04.36 | galois | moath: thanks for the heads up |
| 18:04.43 | moath | galois: no problem :) |
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| 18:04.51 | galois | moath: I am really banging my head against a wall with this one :) |
| 18:05.04 | moath | galois: yea, i know i've done the same with similar issues before :) |
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| 18:05.28 | zophyx | StM2 change the links in /etc/apt/sources.list to the unstable directories of the mirrors, and run apt-get update |
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| 18:06.35 | zophyx | StM2: if you do this from a stable distro you will find that you have a lot of unmet dependencies |
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| 18:06.58 | voldy | Tom-: I think what did it is i tried to install yahoo messenger for debian (there's a deb package for it on yahoo)... i was hoping i'd be able to use my webcam with it. well, when i saw it's no better than gaim, i removed it. since then, though, mozilla lost its adblock plugin. then i tried putting the plugin in again and it died |
| 18:07.19 | Tom- | Voldy: that's a good starting point |
| 18:07.32 | Tom- | Voldy: Plugins are stored in these uh ... plugin directories. You can try going and renaming it |
| 18:07.40 | StM2 | zophyx: i work with a test version of debian |
| 18:07.42 | StM2 | sparke |
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| 18:08.02 | Tom- | something like this: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins$ mv libflashplayer.so libflashplayer.so.hidden |
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| 18:10.24 | voldy | still doesn't start |
| 18:11.30 | Tom- | I have a question now. Mozilla Firefox, since I installed yesterday, has been popping up the "information you submit is insecure" warning |
| 18:11.35 | Tom- | It doesn't matter if I check or uncheck its little box |
| 18:11.44 | Tom- | Voldy: At this point I'd resort to Strace, I'm sorry :-) |
| 18:12.11 | Tom- | Howcome that checkbox isn't doing what it's supposed to? |
| 18:12.18 | gradzac | Tom-: are you using the debian package? |
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| 18:12.50 | voldy | Tom-: what's strace? |
| 18:13.30 | Tom- | Gradzac: Yeah |
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| 18:13.54 | Tom- | Voldy: It's something that tells you what kernel calls a program is using. I love it but it's kindof ... technical :-) |
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| 18:15.09 | gradzac | Tom-: I think mine did that for awhile, but then it stopped.....maybe something in the preferences? |
| 18:15.12 | StM2 | wath is a apt-get mirror for sarge |
| 18:15.20 | StM2 | i can't find one |
| 18:15.30 | Tom- | maybe I'll stop and start it a couple times |
| 18:15.41 | naim | hi, i google'd for this error but found nothing, please help if you can error:: Error loading plugin '/usr/lib/cheops/plugins/smtp-monitor.so': /usr/lib/cheops/plugins/smtp-monitor.so: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 18:15.45 | jstevens | StM2: almost all of them are |
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| 18:17.21 | Tom- | Voldy: Anyway, someone else might know, and you might try hitting Google for a while... sorry I couldn't help more |
| 18:17.26 | jstevens | StM2: try "deb http://debian.crosslink.net/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" |
| 18:17.31 | voldy | ok looks like it just broke that profile. so i saved the bookmarks and got rid of that profile. now i'll carefully try to put my plugins back in |
| 18:17.41 | Tom- | well then :-) |
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| 18:19.58 | naim | any replacement for choeps ?? something uptodate ?? |
| 18:20.30 | Vladi | hi, how can u pipe find command output to xargs and remove the find results i tried find . -name "blah" | xargs rm -i |
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| 18:21.20 | Tom- | Vladi: -i doesn't work with xargs I think |
| 18:21.30 | Tom- | I mean you can't have interactive stuff with xargs unless you use uhh |
| 18:22.09 | Codyman | hi... i am new to debian.. i understand apt-get's mechanics.. however, for testing, which mirror does everyone use.. i.e. i go and type apt-cache search mplayer and it can't even find mplayer |
| 18:22.26 | Tom- | I forget |
| 18:22.27 | TuckerTUX | valdi: find . -name "blah" -exec xarg rm {} \; |
| 18:22.39 | scol | hi is there any way to run kde applications without installing kde? |
| 18:22.41 | justin | !tell Codyman about mplayer |
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| 18:22.47 | Tom- | !tell Tom- about mplayer |
| 18:23.19 | Tom- | hey that looks like a pretty helpful bot |
| 18:23.33 | Vladi | Tom-, TuckerTUX : thanks! |
| 18:23.42 | galois | yup, you can also talk in conference (/msg) |
| 18:23.49 | Tom- | I figured that out all by myself ;-) |
| 18:23.51 | tarzeau | sucks when you forget your root password with linux on a hppa ,and you can't have local console becuase no monitor of you has sync on green |
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| 18:24.30 | Vladi | TuckerTUX, hmm seems to not be deleting fins that have space in the path |
| 18:24.37 | Raf256 | tarzeau- some live cd that instalty opens SSHD? |
| 18:24.46 | tarzeau | Raf256: for hppa? |
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| 18:24.57 | Raf256 | depends... |
| 18:25.03 | Raf256 | what is a hppa ;) ? |
| 18:25.12 | tarzeau | Raf256: like i386, but better |
| 18:25.15 | Tom- | It's a different CPU architecture |
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| 18:25.30 | TuckerTUX | vladi: try .. find . -name "blah" -exec xarg rm "{}" \; |
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| 18:25.35 | Tom- | differenter than Mac versus PC I think :-D |
| 18:25.59 | simonrvn | @spell differenter |
| 18:26.03 | ravenbird | possible spellings for differenter: differ enter differ-enter different difference differenced differently deferent differentiate differences |
| 18:26.21 | Vladi | TuckerTUX, nope getting xarg: no such file dir |
| 18:26.39 | simonrvn | it's xargs |
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| 18:27.14 | TuckerTUX | vladi: try .. find . -name "blah" -exec xarg rm {} \; |
| 18:27.16 | simonrvn | why the hell are you using the \; notatation when you're also using xargs? |
| 18:27.25 | TuckerTUX | vladi: try .. find . -name "blah" -exec rm {} \; |
| 18:27.35 | simonrvn | notation* |
| 18:28.05 | TuckerTUX | simonrvn: sorry! xargs is not needed \; is for sheel escape |
| 18:28.24 | simonrvn | man find man xargs ;) |
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| 18:29.37 | Frafraxy | hi all |
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| 18:29.47 | Frafraxy | i need /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h |
| 18:29.52 | Frafraxy | kernel 2.6.8.1 |
| 18:30.06 | simonrvn | configure a kernel |
| 18:30.09 | ericb_ | apt-get install kernel-source ? |
| 18:30.19 | ericb_ | or kernel-header ? |
| 18:30.43 | Frafraxy | yes, but anybody that use 2.6.8.1 kernel can send it to me? |
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| 18:31.00 | greycat | Frafraxy: no. |
| 18:31.04 | simonrvn | Frafraxy: no |
| 18:31.10 | Frafraxy | k |
| 18:31.11 | greycat | you want kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:31.58 | Frafraxy | apt-get install etc. etc. doesn't funct |
| 18:32.27 | Frafraxy | it doesn't found it |
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| 18:34.14 | xeron | heh |
| 18:34.18 | xeron | I love apt. |
| 18:34.36 | Raf256 | what should be the "network" option for: adress=172.16.200.2 netmask=255.255.0.0 ? |
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| 18:35.05 | Frafraxy | it doesn't funct |
| 18:35.11 | Frafraxy | i need /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h |
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| 18:35.34 | Frafraxy | why somebody can send ut to me? |
| 18:35.38 | ixi-deb04 | hi |
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| 18:36.06 | twogood | Frafraxy: you should install the kernel-headers package for your system |
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| 18:36.29 | hanoi_pm | how to find which package a specified file belongs to, for example: /usr/bin/dh_testdir |
| 18:36.29 | ixi-deb04 | Is modutils package needed if I use module-init-tools? Can I just remove modutils? |
| 18:36.40 | Frafraxy | i haven't found the package |
| 18:36.42 | sepski | hanoi_pm, packages.debian.org is easy |
| 18:36.55 | hanoi_pm | sepski: is there any command line too |
| 18:36.59 | hanoi_pm | s/too/tool/ |
| 18:37.15 | sepski | hanoi_pm, apt-file i think |
| 18:37.26 | greycat | hanoi_pm: dpkg -S filename |
| 18:37.38 | hanoi_pm | thank you! |
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| 18:38.50 | gradzac | anyone using exim4 with spamassassin?? |
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| 18:38.57 | hanoi_pm | greycat: it works great, thank you again :D |
| 18:40.01 | StM2 | my sources.list: |
| 18:40.02 | StM2 | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 18:40.02 | StM2 | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing Sarge - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20041225)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 18:40.02 | StM2 | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib |
| 18:40.02 | StM2 | deb http://ftp.debian.nl/ debian-security/dists/sarge/updates main contrib |
| 18:40.02 | StM2 | deb http://ftp.debian.nl/ debian-security/dists/sarge/updates main |
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| 18:40.31 | greycat | !topicsmite StM2 |
| 18:40.31 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon StM2. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 18:40.43 | TheoMurpse | at this link http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/gene/averatec-linux.html#wireless can someone please tell me what the author means by Add it to |
| 18:40.43 | TheoMurpse | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.43 | TheoMurpse | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.44 | TheoMurpse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:41.11 | TheoMurpse | whops |
| 18:41.21 | ixi-deb04 | Anybody knows is modutils package needed if I use module-init-tools? Can I just remove modutils? I remember that some time ago module-init-tools coulnd't be installed without removing modutils. Now its just conflicts with ver prior to 2.4.21. |
| 18:41.24 | TheoMurpse | didn't realize i was pasting carriage returns |
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| 18:42.46 | nexx | how will i mount cdrom ? |
| 18:42.59 | greycat | shiny side down. |
| 18:43.00 | gradzac | TheoMurpse: neu = Northeastern University in Boston? |
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| 18:43.31 | gradzac | greycat: lol |
| 18:43.31 | nexx | or how can i see mounted cdrom |
| 18:43.31 | nexx | ? |
| 18:43.36 | greycat | df, mount |
| 18:43.38 | TheoMurpse | gradzac: i'm not...i'm in japan...but the person at that site got debian up and running on the same laptop i did |
| 18:43.47 | teeks | Hiya: On my Sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel, the message "FATAL: Error running install command for snd_ice1712" appears after an alsaconf. Cany anyone help? :) |
| 18:44.17 | topa_ | how do I enable mp3 ripping in sound-juicer? |
| 18:44.22 | topa_ | I already have lame |
| 18:44.35 | TheoMurpse | *gasp* lame is for educational purposes only! |
| 18:44.45 | greycat | and he's here trying to educate himself. |
| 18:44.49 | TheoMurpse | lol |
| 18:44.56 | gradzac | TheoMurpse: looks like he is changing the timeout to wait for a DHCP response, have you tried it without? |
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| 18:44.59 | greycat | we'll help him along by insisting that he install vorbis-tools and use Oggs. |
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| 18:45.28 | TheoMurpse | gradzac what i just don't understand is (i'm a noob) how you add "it" to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:45.29 | nexx | argh |
| 18:45.30 | TheoMurpse | what is "it"? |
| 18:45.34 | nexx | i put cd to cdrom |
| 18:45.37 | brisling | hi i have a problem with phpmyadmin, i tried to install through apt-get, but i have made a mistake. How can i remove it so i can reinstall it? |
| 18:45.39 | nexx | and it read.. |
| 18:45.42 | nexx | but how will i see files ? |
| 18:45.46 | greycat | nexx: ls |
| 18:46.07 | TheoMurpse | like is there some text file called "interfaces" and i add a line "wlan0" to it? |
| 18:46.07 | nexx | greycat, in which directory ? |
| 18:46.11 | gradzac | TheoMurpse: don't add it to interfaces....the website says to add it to a DHCP config file |
| 18:46.15 | greycat | nexx: wherever you mounted it, duh... |
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| 18:46.21 | nexx | i didn't mount it |
| 18:46.33 | nexx | how will i mount it |
| 18:46.35 | gradzac | TheoMurpse: yes, there is an /etc/network/interfaces file that configures all of your NICs |
| 18:46.39 | greycat | nexx: man moung |
| 18:46.40 | greycat | man mount |
| 18:47.05 | topa_ | greycat, I use flac as my codec normally |
| 18:47.06 | TheoMurpse | basically i got ndiswrapper to load up my wireless card, then i modprobed it, so then what comes next? i can't ping my router or anything... |
| 18:47.14 | gradzac | TheoMurpse: check out "man interfaces"....its fairly straightforward |
| 18:47.17 | TheoMurpse | so i'm lost completely right after that point in the guy's instructions |
| 18:47.23 | gradzac | TheoMurpse: does iwconfig see the card? |
| 18:47.26 | greycat | topa_: flacs can be converted to Vorbis oggs very easily |
| 18:47.29 | topa_ | however now I need mp3 encoding |
| 18:47.34 | greycat | how unfortunate. |
| 18:47.41 | TheoMurpse | gradzac yes it does |
| 18:47.41 | topa_ | greycat, yes I know |
| 18:47.43 | nexx | admin@debian:/d$ mount /dev/cdrom |
| 18:47.43 | nexx | mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist |
| 18:47.46 | greycat | *cough* flac | lame |
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| 18:48.14 | topa_ | greycat, will look it up, never used lame before |
| 18:48.17 | jahi | damn im getting mad here: why do i not have /proc/bus/usb?? i have /proc/bus/pci/ and /proc/bus/pccard/ but no .../usb/ :((( |
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| 18:48.25 | gradzac | TheoMurpse: have you tried "iwconfig wlan0 essid [your_essid]" ? |
| 18:48.32 | gradzac | and see if the card associates |
| 18:48.32 | TheoMurpse | yes, it's all up and everything |
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| 18:48.36 | nexx | greycat, did you see error ? |
| 18:48.40 | TheoMurpse | iwconfig and ifconfig both show wlan0 up |
| 18:48.40 | nexx | how will i fix it |
| 18:48.46 | TheoMurpse | and strangely they also show a wlan1 up |
| 18:48.48 | TheoMurpse | as the same card |
| 18:48.56 | TheoMurpse | then i ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 18:48.59 | greycat | nexx: make a directory to be the mount point, and EXPLICITLY MOUNT IT *THERE*. |
| 18:49.00 | zulkifar | topa_: lame is what almost every free mp3 encoder uses actually |
| 18:49.07 | TheoMurpse | but can't ping google, my router, nothing |
| 18:49.16 | nexx | admin@debian:/dev$ mkdir cdrom0 |
| 18:49.16 | nexx | mkdir: cannot create directory `cdrom0': Permission denied |
| 18:49.18 | gradzac | TheoMurpse: try "dhclient wlan0" and see what happends |
| 18:49.19 | greycat | and redhat's non-atomic /mnt too! |
| 18:49.28 | greycat | nexx: *cough* |
| 18:49.37 | nexx | argh.. |
| 18:49.38 | nexx | a sec :) |
| 18:49.40 | TheoMurpse | ok i'll brb i actually ONLY have wireless access, so to chat here for help i have to boot up xp -_-;;; |
| 18:49.43 | gradzac | TheoMurpse: does ifconfig show and IP address on the interface? |
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| 18:49.55 | TheoMurpse | so i gotta reboot to debian again |
| 18:49.57 | jahi | the tail -f /var/log/messages is telling me hub.c: new USB device 00:1d.0-2, assigned address 3 but then: USB device 3 (vend/prod 0x4a9/0x3047) is not claimed by any active driver. what can i do about this? |
| 18:49.58 | TheoMurpse | to try it out |
| 18:50.06 | gradzac | TheoMurpse: hold on a sec |
| 18:50.08 | TheoMurpse | ok |
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| 18:50.28 | gradzac | TheoMurpse: try this one time....you need to modify the interfaces file with your settings |
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| 18:50.51 | topa_ | zulkifar, thnx for the info |
| 18:51.13 | greycat | if one MUST make mp3s, then LAME is indeed the best tool for it |
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| 18:52.15 | Quickimaster | hey |
| 18:52.32 | StM2 | ey |
| 18:52.37 | Quickimaster | could someone say me if it possible to see traffic on a single port? |
| 18:52.41 | greycat | yes |
| 18:52.47 | zulkifar | What is the correct way to describe an interface in /etc/network/interfaces without specifying its IP address? At home the only way which not raises is 'iface eth0 inet manual'. But on my other host this leads to warinig and I do 'iface eth0 inet static'. The last in its turn raises error at home :) Is there a _common_ way? |
| 18:53.07 | zulkifar | s/not raises/not raises error |
| 18:53.14 | jessy | hi There by running a script in suPHP CGI I got the following error: Inappropriate permissions set on script What could I do, what is my mistake ? |
| 18:53.15 | sepski | zulkifar, it's described in man interfaces |
| 18:53.33 | greycat | zulkifar: the "common" way would be to NOT use interfaces(5), and instead, to simply run "ifconfig ethwhatever up" in some boot script. |
| 18:53.43 | sepski | why do you need it in interfaces if you do it manualy all the time anyway ? |
| 18:54.01 | Quickimaster | how can i see how much traffic is used on a singel port, i have to be able to see it on every single port above the 2000 |
| 18:54.02 | greycat | sepski: WHERE? |
| 18:54.06 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.06 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.08 | Quickimaster | how can i do that? |
| 18:54.33 | zulkifar | sepski: thanx for pointing to man - never heard about it before :) |
| 18:54.43 | brisling | can i use dselect to reconfigure a program installed through apt-get? |
| 18:54.45 | sepski | greycat, i misunderstood him, i thought he meant dhcp and not static, but he meant manualy |
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| 18:55.11 | Quickimaster | someone an idea? |
| 18:55.22 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 18:55.22 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and a handful of rabid goats. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 18:55.35 | War2 | heh |
| 18:55.40 | RichiH | mmh, radib goats |
| 18:55.44 | zulkifar | gradzac: does this mean I can up completely unconfigured interface? Actually, I need no IP since this eth0 is for PPPoE. |
| 18:55.51 | zulkifar | graycat: does this mean I can up completely unconfigured interface? Actually, I need no IP since this eth0 is for PPPoE. |
| 18:56.06 | zulkifar | greycat sorry <- |
| 18:56.10 | jessy | Hello, by running a php script as CGI with suPHP I got an internal Server Error. The Log tells me: "Inappropriate permissions set on script" What could I do? |
| 18:56.12 | zulkifar | gradzac: not for you, sorry |
| 18:56.13 | Quickimaster | how can i see how much traffic is used on a singel port, i have to be able to see it on every single port above the 2000, i have root acces |
| 18:56.15 | greycat | zulkifar: yeah, that's what I did on my old potato box when I still used Linux as a gateway. That was before interfaces(5) was mandatory. |
| 18:56.44 | jstevens | zulkifar: check out the man page for "interfaces" ... |
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| 18:56.58 | greycat | jstevens: if it's in woody's, it's VERY FUCKING WELL HIDDEN. |
| 18:57.27 | Quickimaster | is this the support channel for debian or what? |
| 18:57.47 | zulkifar | jstevens: i read it, thanks |
| 18:57.53 | greycat | Quickimaster: oh, you wanted *stats*, not the actual traffic? that's probably easier, but I don't know how... |
| 18:58.07 | gradzac | interfaces is awesome....the easiest I have used for configuring the network |
| 18:58.08 | Quickimaster | i want the actual traffic |
| 18:58.09 | jstevens | zulkifar: NP |
| 18:58.15 | Quickimaster | stats are not enough |
| 18:58.17 | greycat | gradzac: I can't agree... |
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| 18:58.26 | greycat | Quickimaster: well make up your mind. |
| 18:58.30 | jstevens | greycat: was that intended for me? I can't make sense out of that |
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| 18:58.59 | greycat | jstevens: where in woody's interfaces(5) page does it say how to bring up eth0 without giving it an IP address? In other words, the interfaces(5) equivalent of "ifconfig eth0 up". |
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| 18:59.09 | Quickimaster | greycat >> why?? |
| 18:59.19 | zulkifar | gradzac: btw, what is YOUR opinion - how would you up inet iface without IP using interfaces? |
| 18:59.21 | gradzac | greycat: I really like the capability to run commands when interfaces come up and down |
| 18:59.25 | simonrvn | jessy: chmod them as you would suexec[2] |
| 18:59.29 | greycat | gradzac: yes, that part's good... |
| 18:59.43 | simonrvn | jessy: better yet, RTFM /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
| 18:59.59 | gradzac | zulkifar: not sure I understand what you are asking....are you trying to run it with DHCP? |
| 19:00.11 | greycat | gradzac: no, he's trying to do precisely what I've been saying all along. |
| 19:00.17 | jessy | simonrvn: But I've got another script with noo problems... |
| 19:00.27 | greycat | gradzac: he wants to run "ifconfig eth0 up" in a boot script, but he wants to do it magically without putting it in a script. |
| 19:00.34 | simonrvn | then read your logs carefuly |
| 19:00.38 | simonrvn | fully* |
| 19:00.41 | sepski | Quickimaster, all the actual traffic of all ports, you have a lot of storage to waste or what ? i's do it with snort or tcpdump |
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| 19:01.25 | zulkifar | greycat: not actually, I just want to know how /etc/network/interfaces-lover gradzac would specify ip-less inet iface in interfaces :) |
| 19:01.30 | gradzac | greycat: oh...I hadn't read what you typed |
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| 19:02.00 | gradzac | zulkifar: and why exactly would you want to do that? |
| 19:02.14 | Quickimaster | sepski > i need it so i can support streaming media on my server |
| 19:02.16 | Quickimaster | shoutcast |
| 19:02.19 | zulkifar | gradzac: have you ever used pppoe? |
| 19:02.24 | greycat | zulkifar: obviously not. |
| 19:02.32 | gradzac | zulkifar: nope and I don't intend to either |
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| 19:02.35 | zulkifar | greycat: seems so |
| 19:03.16 | sepski | you need to capture all trafic of port above 2000 to support shoutcast ? i dont know much about streaming media, but that sounds a bit oddish to me |
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| 19:03.44 | greycat | more than a bit, I'd say. |
| 19:03.47 | zulkifar | gradzac: its ppp over ehternet |
| 19:04.02 | gradzac | zulkifar: how about running a script using the "up" option.... |
| 19:04.26 | zulkifar | gradzac: ok about it :) |
| 19:04.34 | greycat | gradzac: I think justin cheats by using an "up" command in *some other interface*'s stanza. |
| 19:04.35 | gradzac | zulkifar: yes, I know what it is....I don't use it |
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| 19:05.22 | gradzac | OK...so with the exception of pppoe....interfaces rules |
| 19:05.26 | gradzac | :) |
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| 19:05.40 | Quickimaster | sepski > to be able to say how much someone has to pay i need to know how much traffic he/she did use. i want to have more than one stream on my server from different stations |
| 19:05.45 | gradzac | gotta be PC for our pppoe users here! |
| 19:06.03 | greycat | the best way to handle pppoe is to delegate it to some other box. |
| 19:06.15 | sepski | Quickimaster, yes, but that sounds like you want traffic stats, you just said earlier you needed the actual traffic |
| 19:06.32 | Quickimaster | sorry, traffic stats yes |
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| 19:06.50 | greycat | and now that Quickimaster has changed his mind a good 3-4 times... |
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| 19:06.55 | abel | hi all |
| 19:06.59 | sepski | Quickimaster, iptraf or ipfm or ntop might do it, |
| 19:07.02 | Quickimaster | no |
| 19:07.08 | Quickimaster | thnx |
| 19:07.11 | Quickimaster | i will try |
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| 19:07.32 | simonrvn | ntop has horrible mem leaks though |
| 19:07.41 | Quickimaster | what is the best one |
| 19:07.42 | Quickimaster | ? |
| 19:07.48 | greycat | try them all and you decide. |
| 19:07.54 | Quickimaster | thnx |
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| 19:08.01 | sepski | Quickimaster, i use ipfm, but it only hadnles ip address not port (i think) |
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| 19:08.19 | sepski | so if you can have multiple ip addresses 1 per stream your good, otherways not |
| 19:08.26 | Quickimaster | i need to know how much traffic has gone on a port |
| 19:08.27 | loke | i installed "Network controller: U.S. Robotics Wireless Access PCI Adapter Model 022415" with a us roboics pcmcia wifi card but cant seem to get it to show up in ifconfig or iwconfig, ive tried recompiling the kernel, but dont know how to get the interface up? |
| 19:08.27 | e2k | hmm.. |
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| 19:08.41 | abel | hi have some trouble to install kdevelop, when i launch it, he say something about documentation ok KDE-library not being found and to check the KDElibs-docs(who is installed) ... any clue ? |
| 19:08.43 | sepski | iprtaf then or snort or just iptables and counters |
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| 19:09.07 | gradzac | Quickimaster: I would use iptables and the counters |
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| 19:09.27 | simonrvn | that's the simplest way |
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| 19:09.35 | gradzac | write a quick script to run from a cron job to pull the numbers you need |
| 19:09.58 | sepski | yeah having iptraf running all the time probably isn't very effective |
| 19:10.00 | greycat | gradzac: well, that's the thing... how do you get the numbers? |
| 19:10.01 | loke | i installed a us robotics pci adapter with a us robotics pcmcia card, but cant get linux to recognize it, what do i need to do for linux to see the controller and wifi card? |
| 19:10.07 | Quickimaster | iptables is so i can see how much traffic is used by a single port? |
| 19:10.47 | gradzac | greycat: off the top of my head....either parse the output from iptalbes -L -v OR parse the output from a LOG target |
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| 19:11.11 | simonrvn | Quickimaster: set up user tables per port, then you can monitor each one in turn |
| 19:11.30 | Huddlebum | is there any way to view what packages are in the repository? just a listing, or listing+description? |
| 19:11.36 | Quickimaster | thnx |
| 19:11.42 | loke | i installed a us robotics pci adapter with a us robotics pcmcia card, but cant get linux to recognize it, what do i need to do for linux to see the controller and wifi card? |
| 19:11.46 | greycat | Huddlebum: apt-cache search |
| 19:11.52 | Huddlebum | greycat: thanks. |
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| 19:12.28 | sepski | loke, load the module |
| 19:12.48 | loke | sepski how do figure out which module i need to load? |
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| 19:13.20 | Huddlebum | does debian provide a package for X.org? |
| 19:13.25 | greycat | Huddlebum: /topic |
| 19:13.26 | deadcat | !xorg |
| 19:13.26 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 19:13.51 | Huddlebum | ha, thanks. |
| 19:14.00 | jasonf | !tell Huddlebum about get xorg |
| 19:14.02 | sepski | loke i use google for that ususaly |
| 19:14.10 | loke | sepski ok thanks |
| 19:14.37 | twogood | where can I find the .config file used to build the debian kernel packages? |
| 19:14.50 | greycat | hmm... a constant incoming 2 kB/s or so is probably a windows update download, isn't it? |
| 19:15.00 | deadcat | twogood: /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 19:15.11 | offby1 | I'm unable to upgrade my kernel -- I'm running kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686, Version: 2.4.27-2 (I think); when I do `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'' it tries to upgrade to -6, and fails with many errors like this ``/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed'' ``FATAL: Module cpqarray.o not found.'' ``FATAL: Module xd.o not found.'' etc. What should I do? |
| 19:15.47 | deadcat | offby1: from woody to sid? |
| 19:15.48 | CompWizrd | greycat: could be, i saw sp2 take three days to download once, on cable modem |
| 19:15.55 | offby1 | deadcat: no, from sarge to sarge. |
| 19:16.08 | twogood | deadcat: thanks! |
| 19:16.09 | gradzac | has anyone set up exim4 to check mail through spamassassin?? |
| 19:16.09 | greycat | CompWizrd: and I bet it doesn't even use my squid proxy, either. (I have two windows boxes on the LAN.) |
| 19:16.16 | CompWizrd | yeah, windowsupdate tends to not use it |
| 19:16.19 | deadcat | offby1: ah.... thats what apt-get upgrade is for. (= |
| 19:16.19 | jasonf | I changed around my hdd setup, and now whenever I make-kpkg, it breaks my grub |
| 19:16.26 | CompWizrd | and if you firewall it off, it'll never download, instead of using the proxy server |
| 19:16.27 | galois | any ideas on why my eth fails when I update my kernel? The driver loads (lspci), the device is up (ifconfig) but there appears to be a dhcp problem |
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| 19:16.30 | gradzac | greycat: you can set that in the registry |
| 19:16.31 | offby1 | deadcat: I don't understand. |
| 19:16.34 | greycat | oh well, it's MS's bandwidth dime. |
| 19:16.35 | ananke | gradzac : www.mailscanner.info |
| 19:16.37 | jasonf | how do I get the automatic grub update to use the right hdd identifiers |
| 19:16.37 | galois | how is this kernel related? |
| 19:16.39 | deadcat | offby1: so you dont fuck up with dist-upgrade |
| 19:17.08 | gradzac | ananke: thx |
| 19:17.12 | greycat | galois: what does the log say? |
| 19:17.13 | CompWizrd | it's funny how automatic windows update will offer you sp2.. you tell it no, never tell me again.. the next security update, you apply it.. and it goes off and fetches sp2 again |
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| 19:17.20 | simonrvn | dselect-upgrade is more reliable for that kind of thing imo |
| 19:17.21 | galois | greycat: which one? |
| 19:17.22 | CompWizrd | and offers it up to you again, even though you said no and never again, the last time |
| 19:17.27 | ShowEmpathy | g |
| 19:17.30 | offby1 | deadcat: I'll try apt-get upgrade, then, but I am pessimistic. |
| 19:17.31 | greycat | !cluebat galois |
| 19:17.35 | greycat | THE MOST RECENT ONE! |
| 19:17.36 | gradzac | CompWizrd: thats a *feature* |
| 19:17.44 | galois | greycat: syslog? |
| 19:17.59 | CompWizrd | gradzac: yeah, and i end up with a lot of end-users with broken systems because they actually paid attention to the little globe thing |
| 19:18.00 | offby1 | deadcat: yep, same problem with ``apt-get upgrade'' as with ``apt-get dist-upgrade'' |
| 19:18.06 | edon | how is that package calleddd, with the developers man pages? |
| 19:18.12 | CompWizrd | and now that MS has that stupid "express" install, they can manage to get it installed on their own |
| 19:18.17 | simonrvn | greycat: use it regularly, thanks |
| 19:18.25 | deadcat | offby1: apt-get install -f do anything? |
| 19:18.39 | offby1 | deadcat: lemme see |
| 19:18.46 | gradzac | CompWizrd: I'm with ya...did you see the interview with the SP2 devs on slashdot? |
| 19:18.53 | CompWizrd | no |
| 19:19.07 | gradzac | check it out.... |
| 19:19.08 | offby1 | deadcat: ``apt-get install -f'' does exactly what ``apt-get update'' and ``apt-get dist-upgrade'' did. |
| 19:19.20 | gradzac | should still be on the front page |
| 19:19.21 | deadcat | offby1: i guess you're fucked. |
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| 19:19.24 | simonrvn | offby1: so read the error messages, and do what it says |
| 19:19.25 | CompWizrd | it's great fun when you have 15 machines behind a 56k modem, and they all go download sp2 |
| 19:19.30 | CompWizrd | instead of using the damn proxy server |
| 19:19.44 | Jon | good evening all |
| 19:19.50 | offby1 | simonrvn: there are no clear directions in the error messages. At least, not clear to me. |
| 19:19.51 | J_P | what mean this message : lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented ? |
| 19:19.52 | sepski | CompWizrd, microsoft have it's own proxy for windows update things |
| 19:20.00 | greycat | sepski: in the wrong place. |
| 19:20.03 | CompWizrd | sepski: yeah, and it's rather useless :) |
| 19:20.06 | gradzac | anake: do you work for that company or something? |
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| 19:20.20 | CompWizrd | at least the actual windows update stuff gets to use the proxy, even if the automated download one won't |
| 19:20.29 | jasonf | I changed around my hdd setup, and now whenever I make-kpkg, it breaks my grub |
| 19:20.30 | simonrvn | !qm_modules |
| 19:20.30 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 19:20.32 | jasonf | how do I get the automatic grub update to use the right hdd identifiers |
| 19:20.41 | gradzac | CompWizrd: I have to go with you on that one....you can set it up in group policy and your clients still ignore it! |
| 19:20.49 | offby1 | simonrvn, deadcat : since I ran into this problem on two different machines, I assumed it was a genuine bug, and was surprised when I didn't find anything relevant on the BTS. |
| 19:21.05 | simonrvn | so go file one |
| 19:21.19 | CompWizrd | it' seems like such a horrible security problem, if you firewall restricts http to going through the proxy, all your clients will never download |
| 19:21.23 | CompWizrd | i guess they want you to setup SUS |
| 19:21.27 | CompWizrd | or whatever replaced that |
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| 19:21.39 | gradzac | SUS and SMS 2003 |
| 19:21.59 | jahi | how do i figure out, where ma usb-camera is, if its not at /proc/bus/usb? |
| 19:22.12 | gradzac | I tested SUS and could never get my clients to talk to the SUS server for some reason |
| 19:22.16 | edon | what's the package that has in it these developing manpages (eg, man printf)? |
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| 19:22.25 | Zap-W | how do i use wilcards with bitchx , like /ctcp nick* cdcc list |
| 19:22.34 | zophyx | what are the kernel boot parameters to enable console output on /dev/ttys0 @ 9600,N,1 ? |
| 19:22.37 | greycat | why the fuck would you use bitchx? |
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| 19:22.45 | Zap-W | !@ what's wrong with bitchx |
| 19:22.49 | cacophony | Zap-W, it doesnt happen for good reason |
| 19:22.51 | Zap-W | what do you suggest epic? |
| 19:22.56 | cacophony | thats a spammer waiting to be born |
| 19:22.57 | greycat | irssi |
| 19:22.58 | cacophony | irssi |
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| 19:23.09 | Zap-W | why |
| 19:23.20 | cacophony | because it doesnt have loads of crap I dont need |
| 19:23.27 | greycat | it Sucks Less |
| 19:23.30 | cacophony | bitchx is irssi + crap |
| 19:23.38 | greycat | minus useful features |
| 19:23.39 | cacophony | literally, bitchx is just an irssi script |
| 19:23.52 | Zap-W | hmm |
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| 19:24.04 | cacophony | get irssi |
| 19:24.06 | zophyx | bitchx is a hobo's snot rag |
| 19:24.13 | cacophony | then go to irssi.org and look at the scripts there |
| 19:24.20 | cacophony | you might find what you're looking for |
| 19:24.25 | galois | greycat: syslog says it passed all physical inspection and the correct driver was loaded |
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| 19:25.08 | karsten | CompWizrd: Who's trying to do the 'Doze update stuff? |
| 19:25.16 | zophyx | what are the kernel boot parameters to enable console output on /dev/ttys0 @ 9600,N,1 ? |
| 19:25.17 | simonrvn | bitchx = r00th0le |
| 19:25.27 | greycat | karsten: I noticed a 2kB/s incoming on my bandwidth graph |
| 19:25.40 | karsten | greycat: ?? |
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| 19:25.52 | karsten | zophyx: Google "serial console howto" |
| 19:25.54 | Zap-W | bitchx has hebrew support |
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| 19:26.14 | simonrvn | so does irssi |
| 19:26.21 | galois | greycat: any furter cluebats to hit me with? |
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| 19:26.29 | galois | *further |
| 19:26.31 | simonrvn | @cluebat galois |
| 19:26.35 | greycat | galois: you said it was a DHCP problem, didn't you? |
| 19:26.43 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 19:26.47 | greycat | galois: so why do you care whether the DRIVER MODULE was loaded? Look for the DHCP client's output/. |
| 19:26.54 | galois | greycat: I have no idea what teh problem is, I suspect dchp |
| 19:27.08 | Jaxalot | I'm having trouble installing Debian on a laptop. When it tries to copy the install files from the CD, it says that it can't find a valid CD. I'm assuming it's because the laptop's CD drive is different than that of a tower. Is there some sort of boot parameter that will make it function better on a laptop? |
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| 19:27.12 | zophyx | karsten: great idea |
| 19:27.15 | karsten | CompWizrd: You're trying to get WinSP II d/l'd? There's a standalone download you can get, exclusive of Windows Update, FYI. |
| 19:27.21 | greycat | galois: all the MORE reason why you need to read the logs! |
| 19:27.30 | galois | greycat: I lose connectivity when updateing teh kernel, I dont know why |
| 19:27.33 | simonrvn | Jaxalot: you assume wrongly |
| 19:27.44 | galois | greycat: the logs appear to say nothing of great use |
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| 19:27.49 | karsten | zophyx: That covers the issue. I don't know specifics, so RTF Howto ;-) |
| 19:27.51 | Jaxalot | Oh? |
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| 19:28.25 | simonrvn | Jaxalot: windoze doesn't respect these, but there are what's called standards. |
| 19:28.30 | ericb_ | II just build my brand new shyny kernel (2.4.27 I think); (it's my first compiled kernel) Everything works (I first forgot about ext3fs support hehe.. wasn't cool) BUT the network interface... ifconfig tells me the interface is detected; however dhcp fails to configure it. DHCP also tells make shure SOMETHING and SOMETHING (this had to do with protocols and socket),( I can't get the exact error message it's going too fast) is enab |
| 19:28.30 | ericb_ | led in your kernel configuration. However I can't see anything in make xconfig/network device support that is disabled and that looks important |
| 19:28.38 | greycat | gods, what is it about this place that just drives ALL common sense away? |
| 19:28.46 | greycat | Jaxalot: start by saying WHAT VERSION of debian you're installing. |
| 19:28.58 | greycat | Jaxalot: then tell us about your CD-ROM drive. Is it IDE/ATAPI? USB? What? |
| 19:29.11 | Jaxalot | Sarge. I've got it installed on another machine and it runs fine. |
| 19:29.17 | karsten | greycat: /msg dpkg esp ;-) |
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| 19:29.23 | Jaxalot | ATAPI. |
| 19:29.25 | karsten | !tell Jaxalot about smart questions |
| 19:29.30 | Jaxalot | Heh. |
| 19:29.43 | Zap-W | Please wait, waiting for servers to close connections.. |
| 19:29.52 | karsten | CompWizrd: ping |
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| 19:30.29 | bwbettin | has anyone ever gotten 'qmv' from the renameutils package to work? |
| 19:30.40 | bwbettin | im using sarge |
| 19:30.50 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 19:30.50 | greycat | there's a whole *package* of "mv" stuff? |
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| 19:31.12 | cacophony | greycat, yes |
| 19:31.23 | cacophony | its not like it comes with the kernel :p |
| 19:31.32 | bwbettin | greycat, I was looking for a way to rename a lot of files at once, did a search for rename and came up with the renameutils package |
| 19:31.32 | Jaxalot | Right, well. Same CD works fine on a tower. I get an error when I try to install on a laptop, regarding the CD. The laptop CD drive is different than that of the tower, so the problem would be with how the Debian install is looking for the CD. Not logical? |
| 19:31.39 | greycat | they'll package *anything*, won't they? |
| 19:31.46 | galois | greycat: coudl you suggest which log may contain the problem? The syslog doesn't and the only others appear to be unrelated to networking |
| 19:31.47 | tony | hey, what's the name of the firefox package for debian? |
| 19:31.48 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:31.49 | cacophony | why not |
| 19:31.51 | bwbettin | greycat, i can't get qmv to work though... |
| 19:31.52 | greycat | bwbettin: why didn't your search come up with rename(1)? |
| 19:31.58 | greycat | you know, the one that COMES WITH DEBIAN? |
| 19:32.02 | bwbettin | ? |
| 19:32.04 | Huddlebum | Jaxalot: aren't there some debian netint floppy images? |
| 19:32.05 | greycat | in the base system? |
| 19:32.06 | simonrvn | rename rocks |
| 19:32.08 | Huddlebum | *netinst |
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| 19:32.14 | tony | dpkg, firefox? |
| 19:32.14 | dpkg | somebody said firefox was The firefox web browser - the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 19:32.29 | bwbettin | greycat, hmm. don't know, but man rename does come up with soemthing |
| 19:32.29 | cacophony | bah |
| 19:32.32 | cacophony | konqueror |
| 19:32.44 | Jaxalot | Tony, you can just do an "apt-cache search X" to find something. |
| 19:32.44 | greycat | considering how bad all the other browsers are, saying firefox is the best isn't all that much of a compliment |
| 19:32.46 | tarzeau | tony: pah! |
| 19:32.50 | bwbettin | heh |
| 19:32.52 | tony | Jaxalot , yes, got it, thanks gang |
| 19:32.56 | Huddlebum | konqueror is good... apple has done a good bit of work on the rendering engine too |
| 19:32.59 | tarzeau | i wouldn't call firefox the best web browser ever |
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| 19:33.14 | tony | they're all great |
| 19:33.17 | greycat | not. |
| 19:33.18 | cacophony | PLUS, konqueror is going to acquire the firefox rendering engine |
| 19:33.23 | Huddlebum | why? |
| 19:33.27 | tony | just have a newbie friend who prefers firefox |
| 19:33.29 | cacophony | links is the winner though |
| 19:33.35 | karsten | tony: apt-cache search firefox. |
| 19:33.37 | simonrvn | gecko it's called |
| 19:33.40 | cacophony | Huddlebum, for those pages made for firefox |
| 19:33.50 | elephantman | How can i assign a domain name to my mysql server ? |
| 19:33.50 | tony | yes yes yes, thanks guys |
| 19:33.57 | Huddlebum | cacophony: will it use it only for those pages? |
| 19:34.05 | tony | elephantman , DNS doesn't have much to do with mysql |
| 19:34.18 | simonrvn | elephantman: wtf would you want to do that? |
| 19:34.56 | elephantman | simonm: ok i just try to access my local mysql server from a localnet client |
| 19:35.08 | elephantman | simonrvn: sorry was for you |
| 19:35.25 | jstevens | elephantman: same way you assign a DNS name to any other server honestly |
| 19:35.26 | elephantman | tony: yes true |
| 19:36.02 | simonrvn | um, why not refer to it by ip? (sane thing to do imo) |
| 19:36.03 | Raf256 | !iraq war |
| 19:36.03 | dpkg | hmm... iraq war is an action in with some guys are paying taxes, to that thier sons can go to war and die fighting for oil. |
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| 19:36.06 | brisling | how can i reconfigure packard that has been installed through apt-get? |
| 19:36.24 | sepski | brisling, dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 19:36.29 | tony | elephantman, so if you need to have DNS resolve your mysql server, you'll need to figure out setting up DNS for yourself |
| 19:36.31 | brisling | thc |
| 19:36.31 | greycat | packard? that's a new one. |
| 19:36.48 | Huddlebum | quick question: how do you turn on syntax highlighting in vim? (it's been automatically on in all the other distros I've used) |
| 19:36.50 | sepski | greycat, i was considering packard bell... bug i guess package was more correct ? |
| 19:36.56 | elephantman | ok thanx all - gonna document myself |
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| 19:37.05 | Raf256 | Huddlebum- :syntax on |
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| 19:37.31 | giupy_ | anyone with unicorn usb driver ? |
| 19:37.42 | Huddlebum | Raf256: thanks. |
| 19:37.43 | Raf256 | Huddlebum- add syntax on to ~/.bashrc |
| 19:38.14 | greycat | Raf256: keep politics out of #debian please. |
| 19:38.17 | greycat | dpkg: forget iraq war |
| 19:38.18 | dpkg | i forgot iraq war, greycat |
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| 19:38.28 | Raf256 | greycat- ok |
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| 19:38.57 | _keylogger_140 | giupy_: why? does not usb-storage do? |
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| 19:39.18 | Maxian | Anyone know of a commandline audio player that can play .ram files? (realplayer) |
| 19:39.33 | giupy_ | _keylogger_140 i can't understand you |
| 19:39.44 | greycat | dpkg, bush is also a shrubbery |
| 19:39.44 | dpkg | Your opinion might be of value on #friends_of_cnn, is also a shrubbery, but here we don't care what your fat french fry eating ass has to say. So shut up! |
| 19:39.45 | giupy_ | what is usb-starage |
| 19:39.49 | greycat | hmm. |
| 19:40.02 | justin | !+usb-storage |
| 19:40.02 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 19:40.03 | greycat | dpkg, forget CMD: bush (.*?) |
| 19:40.03 | dpkg | i forgot CMD: bush (.*?), greycat |
| 19:40.10 | greycat | dpkg, bush is also a shrubbery |
| 19:40.10 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 19:40.16 | bwbettin | greycat, you're my hero for today, that built-in rename program is exactly what I needed :) |
| 19:40.30 | giupy_ | i have usb-starage loaded |
| 19:40.40 | giupy_ | my prob is compiling unicorn |
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| 19:40.57 | greycat | do you need to be a virgin? |
| 19:40.59 | Caelum | is xmms still the most popular way to play mp3s? |
| 19:41.08 | greycat | Caelum: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 19:41.10 | giupy_ | Caelum or mp3blaster :) |
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| 19:41.49 | nite_fly-work | is there a way with samba to make it soo my windows clients have there own user folder on linux box ? |
| 19:41.58 | Maxian | Anyone know? |
| 19:42.02 | nite_fly-work | i have everything on a workgroup right now |
| 19:42.07 | greycat | nite_fly-work: ask #samba |
| 19:42.09 | Caelum | greycat: interesting, thanks |
| 19:42.24 | galois | nite_fly-work: samba is failry unresponsive |
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| 19:42.26 | nite_fly-work | greycat, thanks |
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| 19:42.50 | galois | nite_fly-work: google "smb.conf [homes]" |
| 19:43.00 | nite_fly-work | thanks |
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| 19:43.06 | topsoil | My laptop doesn't support booting off of USB Mass Storage devices. Is it possible to boot off, say a CD, and have the CD mount a USB mass storage device as the root filesystem? (assuming of course that I compile the usb and usb-storage modules into the kernel)? |
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| 19:43.20 | moloko | hi |
| 19:43.21 | Blissex | topside: sure |
| 19:43.38 | emilios | moloko: hi |
| 19:43.39 | Blissex | topside: also the SCSI subsystem of course. |
| 19:43.46 | topsoil | Blissex: perfect.. are you aware of any issues I may run into? |
| 19:44.04 | topsoil | yeah, i'll compile scsi in as well. |
| 19:44.08 | moloko | i do: startx, wmaker starts, but the fonts doesn´t appears, what should i do? |
| 19:44.25 | Blissex | topsoil: lots and lots :-) You will have to experiment a bit to find exactly the right combination. |
| 19:44.32 | owlmanatt | hey, I just got a fuji finepix e510 and I'm trying to mount it so I can move the pictures to my local disk. When I plug it in to the usb, dmesg tells me that the usb mass storage driver loads to claim it, and it's residing at /dev/scsi1. But when I try and mount, it says that it isn't a valid block device. What am I doing wrong? |
| 19:44.45 | topsoil | Blissex: Heh, alright.. sounds good. I'll start playing around tonight. thanks. |
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| 19:45.08 | nite_fly-work | can samba be ran completly from console ? |
| 19:45.08 | Blissex | owlmanatt: '/dev/scsi1' isnt a dcevice that would happen on a Debian system IIRC. |
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| 19:45.23 | nite_fly-work | i got a PIII 500 box i was just gonna do a minimal install on |
| 19:45.23 | owlmanatt | Blissex: Oh, where would it get shoved, then? |
| 19:45.25 | Blissex | nite_fly-work: as a rule it is |
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| 19:45.33 | Blissex | owlmanatt: odds are it is '/dev/sda1' |
| 19:45.56 | Blissex | owlmanatt: also check the contents of '/proc/scsi/scsi' |
| 19:46.00 | owlmanatt | Blissex: Same result. |
| 19:46.03 | galois | nite_fly-work: another top tip is to add samba.org to your sources.list |
| 19:46.07 | ericb_ | I'm having problem with dhcp and my new kernel (currently on my safe kernel); it says make sure CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are defined in your kernel configuration!. however in make xconfig to what option does CONFIG_FILTER and CONFIG_PACKET correspond ? |
| 19:46.16 | Blissex | owlmanatt: unfortunately the rules for naming SCSI devices are a bit weird. |
| 19:46.19 | nite_fly-work | galois, there right now LOL |
| 19:46.21 | moloko | what is the font server for XFree, and what is the minimal font package? |
| 19:46.28 | ericb_ | (it's my first built kernel) |
| 19:46.40 | owlmanatt | Blissex: The /proc place just shows me what's in my /mnt directory, for some reason. |
| 19:46.50 | Blissex | moloko: there are at least three different font servers for XF, and the minimal package is the base one. |
| 19:47.18 | Blissex | owlmanatt: thats a very bad idea. '/proc' has a very important role as such. |
| 19:47.33 | Blissex | owlmanatt: looks like your system is probably a bit messed up. |
| 19:47.35 | moloko | Blissex: ok, i have only one machine, should i use a font server? wich one? |
| 19:47.50 | galois | I lose connectivity when updateing teh kernel, I dont know why. I suspect DCHP as the driver is correct and ifconfig is lacking an IP for eth0. Any suggestions on where to look next? |
| 19:47.54 | owlmanatt | Blissex: Hey, here's something. Dmesg reports that /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 has an IO error, and it's unable to read partion table... |
| 19:48.04 | giupy_ | if i install unicorn-source tahn recompile kernel with make-kpkg --added-modules /usr/src/modules (unicorn dir) do ihave it as module than ? |
| 19:48.34 | Blissex | owlmanatt: your device may not have partitions on it |
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| 19:48.44 | justin | war-: |
| 19:48.44 | Blissex | owlmanatt: in which case you mount is as '/dev/sda' |
| 19:48.45 | justin | grr |
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| 19:48.57 | _keylogger_140 | is unicorn some sort of usb gadget? |
| 19:49.17 | owlmanatt | Blissex: Uh...! Ah, now it says specify filesystem type! |
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| 19:49.41 | owlmanatt | Blissex: Not vfat. Hm, just my luck, filesystem guessing games... |
| 19:50.13 | justin | owlmanatt: file -s |
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| 19:51.05 | owlmanatt | Blissex: Mount says I/O error on /dev/sda, then it says specify filesystem type. And that's with auto. |
| 19:51.06 | neo10_ | Can anyone help me with lm_sensors? |
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| 19:51.25 | justin | owlmanatt: file -s |
| 19:51.40 | owlmanatt | justin: Eh? |
| 19:51.46 | giupy_ | bye |
| 19:51.53 | neo10_ | lm_sensors.. help me please |
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| 19:52.10 | Maxian | Is there a way to play realaudio files, and the player also needs to work via shell |
| 19:52.13 | justin | !tell neo10_ about ask |
| 19:52.21 | justin | !tell Maxian about mplayer |
| 19:52.31 | TuckerTUX | is there any utility to load the CD drive (reverse of eject) |
| 19:52.36 | neo10_ | I have this board ...http://invex.pcsvet.net/6VTA3-1.PDF |
| 19:52.36 | afaik | urk... I'm a developer, not a page layouter. how the hell do I make it so my headers and footers in openOffice show up on every page but the first (cover) page!? |
| 19:52.39 | Goetmet | I want to see Xorg on Debian before a Tsunami comes to my country (it will happens in 10 years aprox).. is that possible? |
| 19:52.46 | neo10_ | And I need help witch sensors chip .. |
| 19:52.59 | neo10_ | sensors utilities wrote me : No found sensors |
| 19:53.06 | streuner_ | neo10: dude, just ask, don't ask to ask. |
| 19:53.16 | justin | TuckerTUX: man eject |
| 19:53.17 | neo10_ | hmmm |
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| 19:53.26 | afaik | any ideas? |
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| 19:53.28 | streuner_ | neo10: do you able to see something in BIOS? |
| 19:53.51 | afaik | Goetmet, doubt it |
| 19:54.02 | afaik | Goetmet, in 10 years time, Sarge may be stable ;) |
| 19:54.12 | Goetmet | ok |
| 19:54.14 | Goetmet | I hope so |
| 19:54.24 | Goetmet | I want to see Xorg on Sid before I die |
| 19:54.25 | leOn | i've just installed a scsi raid controller using the aic79xx module, but i still only see the two disks independently, although i've build a raid1 using the controller bios ... shouldn't this new device be available instead of the two disks separatly .. ? |
| 19:54.25 | afaik | Debian and microsoft are competing on who can have the latest stable release date |
| 19:54.29 | streuner_ | neo10_: in other words, does the mobo support sensors at all? |
| 19:54.46 | neo10_ | I dont´n know |
| 19:54.50 | afaik | Goetmet, GNU will find something to bitch about in Xorg's license or something |
| 19:54.56 | afaik | so dont hold your breath |
| 19:55.08 | TuckerTUX | justin: eject doesnot have any option for closing.. |
| 19:55.24 | jintxo | TuckerTUX, eject -t, I think... |
| 19:55.29 | kromagg | afaik: doesn't matter for us as long as it's DFSG free |
| 19:55.33 | justin | TuckerTUX: try actually reading the man page, rather than lying about it |
| 19:55.41 | streuner_ | neo10_: usually you can see those stuff in BIOS, you never take a look there? |
| 19:55.42 | afaik | I imagine Mr.Stallman gets his sick jollies sitting in bed at night digging through 900 page licenses and screaming over one line that "This iz INCOMPATIBLE with the GPL!!! It shall never touch Debian!" |
| 19:56.04 | simonrvn | rms doesn't give a crap about debian |
| 19:56.11 | kromagg | my point exactly |
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| 19:57.28 | mxn | Hi. I've got a weird sound problem. Using setmixer, the pcm and vol controls generally control volume. However, vol does nothing. pcm produces loud output when set to 1 and silence when set to 0. (Any value above one is the same loud volume.) Any ideas? |
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| 19:58.29 | loke | mxn use aumix |
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| 19:59.05 | Blissex | mxn: I think it is a known issue with ALSA and certain newer sound chips |
| 19:59.18 | Blissex | mxn: you need to either update the driver or wait until it is updated. |
| 19:59.37 | mxn | I should point out I'm used to modprobing for all sound stuff manually, but I'm running sid and I believe hotplug/discover/whatever picked things up for me... |
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| 19:59.50 | mxn | loke: I'm grabbin' it. |
| 19:59.59 | simonrvn | @tell root____ about root |
| 20:00.00 | ericb_ | will 2.6 for debian be stable and usable in woody soon ? |
| 20:00.09 | ajli | Hello all; I need some help. Recently, I have begun to use this new OS called Knoppix. I'm trying to find some help on it, but I don't where to look for the IRC channel. |
| 20:00.16 | greycat | ajli: /j #knoppix |
| 20:00.18 | mxn | Blissex: I'm not sure which driver/thinger is being used, that's the problem. |
| 20:00.28 | ajli | thanks |
| 20:00.30 | owlmanatt | Blissex: I just got it to mount as /dev/sda1 on my trustix box, I copied the picture and sent it to a box with a GUI so I could see it. Debian still says it isn't a valid block device. |
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| 20:01.08 | Blissex | mxn: browse http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html, esp. the troubleshooting section. |
| 20:01.10 | abel | what i'm supposed to do if i want the list of all the group on my puter ? |
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| 20:01.26 | Blissex | abel: 'less /etc/group' |
| 20:01.32 | mxn | Blissex: Will do... |
| 20:01.32 | abel | thanks |
| 20:01.48 | Blissex | abel: if you want all the groups actually present on your computer it is much more difficult. |
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| 20:02.51 | abel | it is good |
| 20:03.03 | abel | and how can i had an user to a group ? |
| 20:03.11 | abel | and how can i add an user to a group ? |
| 20:03.25 | Sergej | When I'm in a virtual terminal, I cannot switch to another one or back to X (using Alt+Fn). What has gone wrong with my setup? |
| 20:03.48 | citral | abel: adduser user group |
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| 20:04.11 | citral | Sergej: maybe your keyboard setup |
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| 20:04.30 | abel | is there a way so than any newly created user beong to a group ? |
| 20:04.35 | abel | is there a way so than any newly created user belong to a group ? |
| 20:05.03 | simonrvn | abel: stop repeating, and you were just told how |
| 20:05.07 | Blissex | abel: yes, just list them in '/etc/group' or just use 'adduser $USER $GROUP' |
| 20:05.29 | Blissex | Sergej: try using CTRL-ALT-Fn |
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| 20:06.20 | abel | no i want for exemple that any newly created user will automagicly belong to for exemple group burner audio video... |
| 20:06.43 | citral | abel: and you didn't even think of reading man adduser |
| 20:07.16 | abel | :----(( ok i go and read it :(( he become to lazy |
| 20:07.16 | Sergej | Blissex, I think I've tried that. |
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| 20:07.34 | mxn | If umount tells me a device is busy, is there any way of assessing what might be keeping the drive busy? |
| 20:07.39 | xfree86x | guys ii need some help |
| 20:07.56 | greycat | !ask |
| 20:07.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 20:07.59 | jintxo | mxn, lsof will list open files |
| 20:08.08 | citral | mxn: go out of the directory, use umount -l |
| 20:08.14 | simonrvn | xfree86x: back again eh? |
| 20:08.32 | Hoolie | is apt compatible with the infomous cluebat? |
| 20:08.35 | simonrvn | bob2 /kb mr./ms. xfree86x there yesterday |
| 20:08.40 | Hoolie | this is getting redicilous :( |
| 20:08.56 | simonrvn | rediculous |
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| 20:09.06 | simonrvn | @spell redicilous |
| 20:09.09 | PhorceP | Is there any way to get the wheel on a PS/2 MS "Wheel Mouse 3.0" to work in XF86 4.3? |
| 20:09.10 | ravenbird | possible spellings for redicilous: ridiculous redials redeploys reticules ridicules codicils delicious meticulous radicals reticles redisplays judicious reticule's ridicule's codicil's reticle's deciles credulous reduces sedulous Cecilius decile's recolors resinous ridiculously reducers Medicis redissolves radials reducibly retails ridiculer's redivides reticulum |
| 20:09.11 | Hoolie | i have the limit set 9999999 and still MMap has no room :( |
| 20:09.19 | simonrvn | oops :) |
| 20:09.32 | xfree86x | im running debian, and iv just upgraded to 2.6.6 kernel and i am using 2.4.27 right now, in 2.6.6 my sound was working but my net wasnt, after a reboot my sound isnt working and my net isnt working either, so im back in 2.4.27 when i try sndconfig i get an error saying u dnt seem to be running a kernel with modular sound enabled (soundcore.o) was not found in the module search path, is there anyway i can use my old hardware configuration from 2.4.27 and |
| 20:09.32 | xfree86x | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.35 | Hoolie | where's supercow when you need her? |
| 20:09.40 | mxn | citral: Yeah, I wasn't in the dir of course, but -l is a useful option. :-) |
| 20:09.40 | citral | !dynamic mmap |
| 20:09.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
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| 20:09.51 | mxn | jintxo: I'll try lsof, too. |
| 20:10.04 | Hoolie | citral: i did that.. it's 9999999 now but.. |
| 20:10.20 | justin | xfree86x: don't use 2.6. don't use sndconfig |
| 20:10.24 | elephantman | I use a "KVM switch" to command my debian box and another system - But when i switch to my debian box, USB mouse drivers are made available only after 1 or 2 minutes - slowing the workflow - Is there a way to speed up this process ? This is the message i get when mouse is available : kernel: input: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Microsoft Microsoft USB Wireless Mouse] on usb1:47.0 |
| 20:10.26 | Hoolie | is there a way to refresh apt? |
| 20:10.43 | citral | Hoolie: all the people I saw having this problem got it resolved with the dpkg tip |
| 20:10.45 | greycat | Hoolie: apt isn't a daemon. |
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| 20:10.50 | xfree86x | justin wot kind of answer is that |
| 20:11.01 | justin | !+wot |
| 20:11.01 | greycat | xfree86x: a good one? |
| 20:11.01 | dpkg | It's 'what', you idiot |
| 20:11.09 | elephantman | Hoolie: you mean refresing available packages list ? |
| 20:11.10 | emilios | which is the best kernel 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
| 20:11.14 | Hoolie | citral: yes but they're rhich people and have more than 32mb of ram? |
| 20:11.15 | justin | !+best |
| 20:11.15 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 20:11.17 | xfree86x | cant u guys give sum sort of support as im moving from windows to linux |
| 20:11.25 | greycat | xfree86x: I think he did. |
| 20:11.28 | greycat | !FAQ xfree86x |
| 20:11.29 | dpkg | xfree86x: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 20:11.30 | citral | Hoolie: probably |
| 20:11.35 | Hoolie | elephantman: i removed all kinds of useless non-free contrib etc etc.. |
| 20:11.41 | greycat | and by the way it's FUCKING SPELLED "YOU"! |
| 20:11.42 | xfree86x | what the hell is wiki ? cant someone just explain ? |
| 20:11.49 | b_52globemaster2 | does ipsec have a website? |
| 20:11.50 | greycat | xfree86x: READ IT OR DIE. |
| 20:11.55 | ajli | Can anyone help redirect me to a Fedora irc channel? |
| 20:12.00 | greycat | ajli: #fedora |
| 20:12.07 | Hoolie | hmm.. im to elite for correct grammar ;) |
| 20:12.08 | greycat | ajli: come on, man! this isn't rocket science! |
| 20:12.16 | elephantman | Hoolie: i would do a "apt-get update" |
| 20:12.18 | afaik | greycat, u 2 huh? |
| 20:12.22 | ajli | ok thanks, I don't know how to use irc very well |
| 20:12.24 | deadcat | !u |
| 20:12.24 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you'. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:12.25 | ajli | #fedora |
| 20:12.27 | emilios | xfree86x : YOU NEED A LOTTTT OF READING BEFORE ENTER DEBIAN WORLD |
| 20:12.29 | afaik | kthnxbye |
| 20:12.31 | greycat | ajli: /join #fedora |
| 20:12.34 | Hoolie | elephantman: i did.. it can't parse the <very long file> |
| 20:12.35 | EdibleText | b_52globemaster2, the ipsec implementation for linux is openswan or freeswan |
| 20:12.37 | ajli | gotcha |
| 20:12.39 | Hoolie | and mmap runs out of room |
| 20:12.50 | xfree86x | guys thanks for that link i think my problems solvd |
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| 20:12.52 | xfree86x | that link was awesome |
| 20:13.14 | elephantman | Hoolie: sorry i can't help on that |
| 20:13.16 | Hoolie | *wiggle* |
| 20:13.23 | xfree86x | is there anyway i can download the whole unoficial faq ? |
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| 20:13.40 | Hoolie | hmm.. i wonder if i bribe the apt dev people with a twnkie....... eh.. nevermind ;) |
| 20:13.42 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:13.57 | simonrvn | xfree86x: browse it like the rest of us... |
| 20:14.01 | emilios | xfreed86x : Debian is not like windows . Here you need to use your own BRAIN |
| 20:14.02 | deadcat | Hoolie: not bribe. blackmail (= |
| 20:14.20 | greycat | xfree86x: it's just a bunch of web pages. feel free to download them however you like. |
| 20:14.21 | xfree86x | yeh but how CAN I USE MY BRAIN IF I DONT HAVE ONE |
| 20:14.28 | Hoolie | deadcat: what can you use to blackmail hard working open source people? |
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| 20:14.39 | deadcat | Hoolie: HAHAHAHA. |
| 20:14.49 | Jovaro | someone that feels like helping a newbie who is installing debian a bit? |
| 20:14.52 | b_52globemaster2 | EdibeleText, ipsec , is not natively designed for linux? |
| 20:14.54 | greycat | Hoolie: coffee |
| 20:15.03 | Coke | ~tell Jovaro about ask |
| 20:15.06 | deadcat | Jovaro: ask damnyou |
| 20:15.06 | Hoolie | greycat: bribe yes.. blackmail.. no ;) |
| 20:15.08 | xfree86x | if u dont wuna help then fuck off |
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| 20:15.18 | xfree86x | im here so i can move away from microsoft |
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| 20:15.22 | gradzac | b_52globemaster2: ipsec is a *standard*, freeswan/openswan are the linux implementations |
| 20:15.22 | xfree86x | geddit, or dont u have a brain idiot |
| 20:15.30 | Jovaro | thanks coke :) |
| 20:15.33 | xfree86x | c ya asswipe |
| 20:15.38 | Hoolie | xfree86x: do what everyone else is doing.. steal bills sh**t :P |
| 20:15.41 | greycat | Hoolie: "F1x th3 bug in foob4r 1.3 or th3 c0ff33 getz it!!1!" |
| 20:15.41 | b_52globemaster2 | EdibeleText, ah ok,thanks |
| 20:15.50 | xfree86x | no fuck bill 2, |
| 20:15.51 | Hoolie | if you dont affect his wallet bill doesn't care ;) |
| 20:15.59 | sepski | xfree86x, it's very obvious that debian is to difficult for you, you should begin with a less technical oriented linux distribution, |
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| 20:16.17 | xfree86x | debian isnt dificult for me iv got it runnin and iand i did my first kernel upgrade |
| 20:16.19 | sepski | xfree86x, maybee knoppix or redhat might do it for you |
| 20:16.21 | Coke | sepski: no, he should start with getting some manors |
| 20:16.24 | greycat | sepski: not if he actually intends to *learn* anything |
| 20:16.31 | jasonf | Coke: manners |
| 20:16.32 | Hoolie | greycat: i think they'd read F1x and hit "dahlete" like strongbad |
| 20:16.35 | xfree86x | excuse me i have manors, |
| 20:16.35 | greycat | Coke: what good are big houses going to do? |
| 20:16.36 | Coke | jasonf: thnx |
| 20:16.38 | deadcat | xfree86x: and no one heres gonna help you anyway. |
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| 20:16.41 | Coke | greycat: muahaha. |
| 20:16.46 | xfree86x | and why is thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat |
| 20:16.46 | xfree86x | t |
| 20:16.51 | jasonf | !troll |
| 20:16.51 | dpkg | from memory, troll is a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html |
| 20:16.56 | deadcat | because we dont like you? hahaha |
| 20:17.01 | Jovaro | my net-install mini cd http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/woody-i386-1.iso isn't booting, is there anyway to check if that has something to do with the cd? |
| 20:17.03 | xfree86x | ok deadcat |
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| 20:17.15 | xfree86x | deadcat ur a bastard |
| 20:17.21 | justin | !+ur |
| 20:17.21 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 20:17.21 | deadcat | (= |
| 20:17.23 | jasonf | that's a quote the troll will take back to $trollhome, deadcat |
| 20:17.30 | xfree86x | i bet ur a fat mothr fucker sitting on ur ass jacking off, |
| 20:17.33 | Hoolie | xfree86x: i'll give you $10 for all your computer stuff.. and then you can go buy a mac and really piss mr bill off ;) |
| 20:17.36 | xfree86x | wih a moustache |
| 20:17.40 | justin | 15:16 < xfree86x> excuse me i have manors, |
| 20:17.45 | xfree86x | lol, er no thanks |
| 20:17.45 | deadcat | xfree86x: ya. (= so right. |
| 20:17.54 | afaik | oops.. I thought I messaged my friend... |
| 20:17.57 | xfree86x | anyway im of 2 reboot into 2.6.6. dickheads |
| 20:17.58 | gunstar2 | hello |
| 20:17.59 | afaik | accidentally messaged a client |
| 20:17.59 | xfree86x | c ya |
| 20:18.12 | Coke | he will be sorely missed |
| 20:18.15 | citral | super moron. |
| 20:18.25 | justin | i'm sure he will be back asking why his new kernel doesn't work soon |
| 20:18.27 | Maxian | Whats the best way to play realaudio in the shell? |
| 20:18.29 | Hoolie | hmm.. hurry up and root him while he isn't paying attention? :) |
| 20:18.38 | citral | Maxian: mplayer |
| 20:18.43 | justin | !tell Maxian about repeating |
| 20:18.46 | simonrvn | manors? |
| 20:18.55 | citral | haunted houses |
| 20:18.57 | afaik | "Hey jackass." |
| 20:19.00 | Coke | simonrvn: yes, yes... rub it in why don't you. |
| 20:19.03 | afaik | great thing to say to a client :( |
| 20:19.04 | Hoolie | realaudio? who want's that |
| 20:19.08 | Jovaro | my net-install mini cd http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/woody-i386-1.iso isn't booting, is there anyway to check if that has something to do with the cd? no-one? |
| 20:19.12 | Coke | I also noticed someone spelling "too" as "to"... |
| 20:19.18 | Coke | get off my back |
| 20:19.19 | simonrvn | Coke: um, dict manor |
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| 20:19.28 | deadcat | Jovaro: download another one |
| 20:19.30 | Maxian | justin - I know I am repeating but mplayer wont install using apt (even after I added the sources and updated) so I was wondering if there is a alternative |
| 20:19.31 | simonrvn | then dict manner |
| 20:19.33 | nite_fly-work | is there like a automated data backup program for linux ? |
| 20:19.36 | greycat | Maxian: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 20:19.37 | deadcat | Jovaro: or reburn |
| 20:19.38 | Jovaro | i tried that deadcat |
| 20:19.38 | Hoolie | to too... im swedish.. i don't care ;) |
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| 20:19.49 | deadcat | Jovaro: md5 the iso? |
| 20:19.50 | emilios | best strategy ........don't answer to people like xfree86x and they are going to cry for help in ten minutes |
| 20:19.51 | nite_fly-work | i just wanna back up data to a network drive on a daily basis |
| 20:19.54 | greycat | nite_fly-work: cron, tar |
| 20:19.54 | Maxian | WHen I try to install mplayer I get Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.2) but 1.3.1-1 is to be installed |
| 20:20.01 | Coke | simonrvn: yes, I know what it is. I typed the wrong word. |
| 20:20.02 | justin | Maxian: then you should have said THAT in the first place instead of just repeating the original question |
| 20:20.06 | dvs | nite_fly-work: you can use cron to make the backups automatic |
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| 20:20.16 | PhorceP | jovaro: Make sure your drive will read that kind of discs. I ran into one just this morning that had problems with discs burned at fast speeds. |
| 20:20.19 | greycat | Maxian: sarge, sid, woody? |
| 20:20.20 | nite_fly-work | thanks |
| 20:20.26 | sepski | nite_fly-work, many, i like rsync or unison or rdiff, and cron to automate it |
| 20:20.27 | Maxian | aswell as Depends: libsdl1.2debian (> 1.2.7+1.2.8) but 1.2.7-10 is to be installed - greycat: Sid |
| 20:20.28 | simonrvn | Coke: i wasn't commenting on what you said.. |
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| 20:20.34 | Jovaro | phorceP how do you check that? |
| 20:20.35 | greycat | !info libartsc0 sid |
| 20:20.35 | Hoolie | the best thing with support irc is that you can use smileys... and the helpers actually _know_ stuff ;) |
| 20:20.38 | dpkg | libartsc0: (aRts Sound system C support library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 20:20.44 | greycat | Maxian: your sid mirror is out of date. |
| 20:20.49 | nite_fly-work | sepski, thanks |
| 20:20.55 | emilios | ok guys here is my project for next days ..............go from 2.2 kernel to 2.6 .... nice !!!!!! |
| 20:20.56 | ericb_ | uname -v should report the kernel version.. something like 2.4.27 right ?? |
| 20:20.58 | Hoolie | if you want to loose hair and get a stress disorder call someone hehe |
| 20:21.05 | Coke | simonrvn: ok. I thought you joined in on the quest to ridicule my typo |
| 20:21.06 | greycat | !info test |
| 20:21.14 | emilios | ericb _ : yes |
| 20:21.17 | greycat | sKaBoy: turn that script OFF. |
| 20:21.18 | PhorceP | jovaro: Burn something else on another one of the same discs at the same speed, boot off of a floppy (bootdisk.com) and see if you can read it |
| 20:21.23 | Maxian | meaning what should I do greycat? |
| 20:21.24 | gunstar2 | I have typed 'apt-get upgrade' and tryed to boot afterwards but can't! get pages of errors, what can I do? |
| 20:21.27 | Jovaro | ah like that |
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| 20:21.31 | Hoolie | emilios: my biggest project was to go from rh 4.1 to debian potato.. |
| 20:21.32 | emilios | ericb _ : better uname -a |
| 20:21.36 | greycat | Maxian: choose another sid mirror |
| 20:21.39 | ericb_ | emilios : any idea why uname -v returns #1 lun déc 27 14:55:29 EST 2004 |
| 20:21.42 | Hoolie | now i forgot like everything couse i never have to tinker with anything ;) |
| 20:21.53 | greycat | ericb_: because some french person built it? |
| 20:22.07 | Maxian | is there a list somewhere? |
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| 20:22.10 | mihaly | I am tyring to recover my system, started a "shell" from the sarge boot cd. But i am unable to run liloconfig I tryed goto /usr/sbin and then use ./liloconfig but it didn't work how should I do? |
| 20:22.13 | greycat | Maxian: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:22.15 | emilios | ericb _ : you got your answer |
| 20:22.18 | Maxian | thanks greycat |
| 20:22.23 | ericb_ | greycat yeah.. but it should print 2.4.27 |
| 20:22.26 | ericb_ | not the date ?? |
| 20:22.32 | greycat | ericb_: uh... why do you think that? |
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| 20:22.42 | ericb_ | greycat : ok then.. |
| 20:22.44 | ericb_ | sry |
| 20:22.45 | greycat | ericb_: uname -r |
| 20:22.54 | ericb_ | ok thanks |
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| 20:23.03 | ericb_ | that's what I was looking |
| 20:23.30 | emilios | ericb_ : try uname --hepl ..........it really helps:) |
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| 20:23.40 | emilios | ericb_ : try uname --help |
| 20:23.45 | ericb_ | emilios : I did uname --help |
| 20:23.51 | ]Error[ | hii all |
| 20:24.02 | ]Error[ | any one know T2 ? |
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| 20:24.07 | ericb_ | but I tought -v was the proper option |
| 20:24.08 | gunstar2 | I have typed 'apt-get upgrade' and tryed to boot afterwards but can't! get pages of errors, what can I do? |
| 20:24.19 | Shadur | ]Error[, please go to http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and pay careful attention to the suggestions there. It'll improve your chances of getting a useful answer. |
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| 20:24.50 | jessy | Hello, I got the following Error by running a php script: session_start(): open(/var/lib/php4/sess_xxx, O_RDWR) failed: Permission denied (13). What could I do. I think its not a good Idea to set the /var/lib/php4 to 777... Anybody has a Tip ? |
| 20:24.58 | ]Error[ | i writed that |
| 20:24.59 | ]Error[ | :) |
| 20:25.16 | Coke | jessy: make sure your web server group can write to it |
| 20:25.30 | jessy | ok... |
| 20:25.38 | tarzeau | can i be root on a hppa linux somehow? |
| 20:25.44 | Coke | jessy: and make your web server group the group owner of that directory |
| 20:25.46 | tarzeau | (without knowing the root password) |
| 20:26.04 | jessy | Coke: but I've got two groups :) |
| 20:26.08 | Cinas | Does anybody have any documents about running Debian as an Ethernet Router with ADSL? Step by step for NewBeeee :) |
| 20:26.09 | ]Error[ | Any one know in this chanl same thinges called "T2" and its the ystem Development Enviroments of makeing linux distro easy , any one know it here? |
| 20:26.10 | ]Error[ | :D |
| 20:26.10 | mihaly | doesn't anyone know`? |
| 20:26.13 | Coke | jessy: so? |
| 20:26.34 | ericb_ | is 1.8mb a good size for a kernel or should I make next one smaller ? |
| 20:26.40 | jessy | Coke: at first webusers and then admins... I'm running suPHP as CGI |
| 20:26.46 | ]Error[ | goood one |
| 20:26.55 | ]Error[ | if you can make smaller its will be best |
| 20:26.56 | ]Error[ | :D |
| 20:27.01 | sepski | mihaly, i guess you should mount your harddrives the usual way on /mnt and chroot to that, then try your lilo magic |
| 20:27.03 | ericb_ | lol |
| 20:27.03 | ericb_ | ok |
| 20:27.08 | ericb_ | then next one will be smaller |
| 20:27.15 | gradzac | tarzeau: check out this page http://www.bastille-linux.org/jay/index.html for the talks about security with physical access to the box |
| 20:27.17 | greycat | if it boots, and works, it's right. |
| 20:27.19 | ]Error[ | you will code linux? |
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| 20:27.28 | Coke | jessy: must I repeat myself? the same user you are using the run the PHP process, use that users group as owner of the /var/lib/php4 directory and make that directory writable to that group. |
| 20:27.34 | simonrvn | ]Error[: do you mind? |
| 20:27.34 | jessy | Coke: could I place webusers and admins into a new group and give them the access ? |
| 20:27.44 | Coke | jessy: yes. |
| 20:27.50 | ]Error[ | simonrvn: goo and wash your eyes |
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| 20:27.51 | ]Error[ | :) |
| 20:27.54 | Coke | jessy: but I don't see why the php script runs as different users. |
| 20:27.59 | greycat | jessy: web developers should NOT be in the www-data group that apache runs as. |
| 20:28.02 | ericb_ | greycat : ok that's cool.. it boots now.. and next kernel I'll do will be smaller.. (that was my first one) |
| 20:28.03 | mihaly | sepski my harddrive has been mounted to /target |
| 20:28.06 | simonrvn | ]Error[: fucking idiot |
| 20:28.17 | tarzeau | gradzac: the thing is not i386 but hppa. and i have no monitor that works locally |
| 20:28.19 | PhorceP | Is there any way to get the wheel on a PS/2 MS "Wheel Mouse 3.0" to work in XF86 4.3? |
| 20:28.21 | sepski | mihaly, then chroot /target then |
| 20:28.28 | ]Error[ | sim , put same thinges in your eyes eg: oil |
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| 20:28.28 | tarzeau | gradzac: means i have palo! |
| 20:28.33 | jessy | they aren't there... |
| 20:28.35 | ]Error[ | i hope you can be blind now |
| 20:28.36 | ]Error[ | :0 |
| 20:28.46 | ]Error[ | and im not crazy i try to make you die :P |
| 20:28.53 | gradzac | tarzeau: yeah, but he shows how to kick off a root shell using kernel startup options |
| 20:28.54 | mihaly | wow it fucking worked :D |
| 20:28.56 | jessy | with suPHP every user is identified by its own UID and GID |
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| 20:28.59 | greycat | tarzeau: you actually managed to get Debian to install on an hppa box?? |
| 20:29.01 | gradzac | read it....it will be worth your while |
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| 20:29.08 | jessy | and I've gto two gours |
| 20:29.12 | jessy | groups |
| 20:29.14 | ]Error[ | lool |
| 20:29.14 | Coke | jessy: most of the times when it's very akward to use the POSIX permissions on file systems it's because you came up with a bad idea. rethink your idea. |
| 20:29.15 | tarzeau | greycat: on a monitor that worked, at work, more than a year ago, yes :) |
| 20:29.16 | ]Error[ | * Now talking in #debian |
| 20:29.23 | greycat | tarzeau: oh... woody, then? not sarge? |
| 20:29.24 | ]Error[ | im in debian chan |
| 20:29.25 | ]Error[ | ;P |
| 20:29.28 | ]Error[ | hhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:29.35 | tarzeau | Linux (none) 2.4.17-32 #1 Sat Mar 16 17:09:00 MST 2002 parisc unknown |
| 20:29.38 | greycat | ]Error[: that doesn't make you smart. |
| 20:29.43 | gunstar2 | I have typed 'apt-get upgrade' and tryed to boot afterwards but can't! get pages of errors, what can I do? |
| 20:29.45 | tarzeau | that was a pre-version of woody |
| 20:29.49 | ]Error[ | i know |
| 20:29.52 | ]Error[ | its make me cliver |
| 20:29.52 | ]Error[ | :D |
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| 20:29.57 | gradzac | cliver? |
| 20:30.01 | ]Error[ | Genus |
| 20:30.01 | ]Error[ | :D |
| 20:30.02 | greycat | tarzeau: I've tried about 4 times to get sarge (d-i) to install on an hppa, but it doesn't work (bug is filed). |
| 20:30.03 | ]Error[ | =) |
| 20:30.06 | ]Error[ | thats me |
| 20:30.06 | ]Error[ | :D |
| 20:30.10 | ]Error[ | hhhhhh |
| 20:30.11 | ]Error[ | lol |
| 20:30.12 | ]Error[ | :P |
| 20:30.15 | gradzac | obviously it doesn't help you spell....dumbass |
| 20:30.17 | greycat | jesus CHRIST. |
| 20:30.17 | Maxian | greycat - I still get that error, and I added 4 more mirrors |
| 20:30.18 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 20:30.26 | *** kick/#debian [notError!~wooledg@192.35.79.70] by greycat (annoying) |
| 20:30.26 | iceman | haha |
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| 20:30.31 | mxn | Hi. I'm trying to get sound working with my onboard SiS chipset. Sound is produced but volume control does not work. AFAIK I am using OSS, not ALSA. Can anyone help? |
| 20:30.33 | notError | noooo kick |
| 20:30.34 | notError | :P |
| 20:30.41 | jessy | Coke: How could i thes the webusers and the admins thogether in a new group, so that they got access on this dir ? |
| 20:30.43 | greycat | notError: shut UP. |
| 20:30.52 | Coke | notError: stop clogging the channel with access lines then |
| 20:30.54 | Coke | exces |
| 20:30.55 | Coke | excess |
| 20:30.57 | ]Error[ | do you mean me? |
| 20:30.58 | Coke | sorry, graycat! |
| 20:30.58 | ]Error[ | :P |
| 20:31.08 | Evir | ? |
| 20:31.08 | Evir | :D |
| 20:31.20 | Evir | whats fucking happend here |
| 20:31.21 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@nae534.emirates.net.ae] by greycat |
| 20:31.25 | Coke | I did it again, I took a word with similar pronounciation and used it instead. |
| 20:31.26 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 20:31.53 | Coke | and I switch from grey to gray... |
| 20:31.58 | greycat | so do I... |
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| 20:32.01 | Coke | odd. |
| 20:32.07 | greycat | they're both acceptable spellings |
| 20:32.14 | Coke | really? |
| 20:32.15 | mihaly | Iam geting "kernal panic: Attempted to kill init!" when I am trying to start :( anyone know what to do? |
| 20:32.16 | gradzac | fucking emiratis are dumbasses |
| 20:32.24 | Coke | greycat: oh, yeah, you mean gray and grey |
| 20:32.25 | tarzeau | there is no way a user can use apt-get to install software into his homedirectory? |
| 20:32.26 | Maxian | greycat - any other ideas? |
| 20:32.37 | greycat | tarzeau: only "apt-get source" |
| 20:32.38 | simonrvn | gradzac: don't over-generalise |
| 20:32.48 | Spec[gone] | tarzeau: you could apt-get source, and then use that... |
| 20:32.58 | gradzac | simonrvn: ok....except for a few of them |
| 20:33.02 | tarzeau | Spec[gone]: then i have a .deb and then dpkg -i wants to install in system, not my home |
| 20:33.09 | cacophony | simonm, I know |
| 20:33.11 | Spec[gone] | unpackage the deb |
| 20:33.15 | Spec[gone] | don't install it |
| 20:33.18 | cacophony | everybody who over-generalizes sucks |
| 20:33.27 | gradzac | lol |
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| 20:33.43 | mihaly | the line before says " /sbin/init 426: cannot open /dev/console: No such file" |
| 20:33.57 | greycat | sounds like udev poisoning. |
| 20:34.08 | greycat | or something initrd-ish |
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| 20:34.29 | Coke | greycat: the devs are in the initrd? |
| 20:34.30 | citral | initrditis |
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| 20:34.41 | greycat | Coke: just a wild guess. |
| 20:35.11 | mihaly | I am considering the Windows Solution: Format and reinstall |
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| 20:35.13 | gradzac | tarzeau: check out this link http://www.bastille-linux.org/jay/Talks/lwe-sfo-2004-bastille.ppt |
| 20:35.26 | Coke | mihaly: then you'll never learn what went wrong and how to fix it |
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| 20:36.05 | gunstar2 | I have got the same problem after an upgrade! |
| 20:36.18 | Coke | gradzac: what is PPT? I don't have that mime type in my mailcap |
| 20:36.25 | greycat | powerpoint? |
| 20:36.30 | tarzeau | gradzac: but i don't want to harden my systems |
| 20:36.33 | gradzac | joking or serious? |
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| 20:36.47 | emilios | what is the main different between 2.4 and 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:36.51 | gradzac | tarzeau: I know...but you can use his examples to get root on the box (or try) |
| 20:36.53 | tarzeau | gradzac: i am serious |
| 20:36.55 | mihaly | Coke: It went wrong when I installed lilo, I got grub on this computer and it works fine |
| 20:36.58 | greycat | emilios: there are MANY changes. |
| 20:37.00 | greycat | !2.6 |
| 20:37.01 | dpkg | it has been said that 2.6 is http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/11/106/index.html, http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html, or /msg dpkg kp, or now stable enough for critical production systems, or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt, or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm, or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6 |
| 20:37.09 | greycat | that wwol26 link is a good intro |
| 20:37.13 | Coke | greycat: oh, it's microsoft. that's why it doesn't exist. |
| 20:37.19 | JasonFar | I have a lot of activity going on on my webserver. How do I see what is causing all this activity? |
| 20:37.33 | emilios | greycat : ok I will read it |
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| 20:37.36 | greycat | Coke: lwe is linux world expo, isn't it? |
| 20:37.39 | gradzac | tarzeau: you said you needed to get root on your box and you forgot the root password, right? |
| 20:37.40 | emilios | greycat : thanks |
| 20:37.48 | tarzeau | gradzac: yes |
| 20:37.49 | greycat | gradzac: on his *hppa* box. |
| 20:37.53 | Coke | gradzac: I'm serious, why the HECK would I have a Microsoft Office Document type in my mailcap? nobody uses that stuff anyway. :) |
| 20:37.55 | tarzeau | gradzac: but i'm logged in as user! |
| 20:38.06 | Coke | greycat: I don't know |
| 20:38.13 | greycat | Coke: I'm wondering why some "linux world expo" document was WRITTEN in .ppt. |
| 20:38.27 | Coke | greycat: why would they use powerpoint? |
| 20:38.33 | gradzac | tarzeau: OK....then read the link I gave you, it shows how to get a root prompt when you have physical access to the machine |
| 20:38.34 | greycat | that's my question too. |
| 20:38.34 | Spec | openoffice can save as ppt |
| 20:38.36 | Coke | greycat: you beat me to the question. |
| 20:38.45 | Coke | greycat: ignorance, perhaps. |
| 20:38.46 | Spec | and for windars users switching to linux, maybe .ppt makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside? |
| 20:38.53 | greycat | gradzac: and it covers hppa? |
| 20:38.59 | gradzac | greycat: yup |
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| 20:39.19 | Coke | greycat: also, "Linux" has become popular within the industry, freedom in software, however, is still a much unknown concept. |
| 20:39.50 | gradzac | Coke: best tool for the job....so far I haven't found anything that beats powerpoint for making presentations |
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| 20:40.08 | gradzac | even if it is Micro$oft |
| 20:40.13 | Coke | greycat: I've been to several Linux-related conventions and they never mention things like Debian, GNU, GPL, etc, they just ramble on about market shares and sales. and they toss around a lot of buzz words. |
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| 20:40.41 | Coke | gradzac: LaTeX beats any tool that requires text and image rendering |
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| 20:40.54 | Coke | gradzac: it is ideal for presentations, I've used it many times for that purpose. |
| 20:40.57 | cacophony | Coke, old school |
| 20:41.03 | Coke | "old school" ? |
| 20:41.04 | cacophony | but still relative |
| 20:41.08 | Spec | oo.org isn't bad for presentations |
| 20:41.09 | cacophony | I prefer others |
| 20:41.10 | Coke | wtf |
| 20:41.24 | mihaly | whats the secret kernel screen resolution code for 1280x1024? |
| 20:41.35 | Spec | there's a way to calculate secret kernel screen resolutions |
| 20:41.37 | gradzac | oo.org isn't bad...but it isn't as good as powerpoint |
| 20:41.42 | Coke | cacophony: my preference could never sway outside the realm of free software |
| 20:41.44 | chealer | hi, I want to get kernel-headers-2.6.6-1-k7 which went out of testing, so where to get it? |
| 20:41.55 | greycat | !sdn |
| 20:41.55 | dpkg | well, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 20:41.57 | cacophony | Coke, I know |
| 20:42.01 | gradzac | Coke: I haven't tried LaTex, so maybe I need to check it out |
| 20:42.04 | cacophony | Im saying there are other better free alternatives |
| 20:42.13 | cacophony | at least, for some people |
| 20:42.20 | Coke | cacophony: "better" is very relative to the needs |
| 20:42.27 | cacophony | thats exactly what I just said |
| 20:42.40 | Coke | cacophony: yes, but your line appeared here after I sent my reply |
| 20:42.42 | cacophony | I replied that better is relative when you said |
| 20:42.43 | cacophony | [15:40] <Coke> gradzac: LaTeX beats any tool that requires text and image rendering |
| 20:42.57 | Coke | cacophony: it does. |
| 20:43.00 | gradzac | other main reason is that I have to share presentations with people who have never heard of opensource or Linux |
| 20:43.02 | cacophony | exactly coke |
| 20:43.04 | cacophony | thats relative |
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| 20:43.21 | giupy | anyone with unicorn usb ? |
| 20:43.49 | Coke | cacophony: ok then, if flexibility, compability and format transperancy is some of the main goals, LaTeX is the better choice. |
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| 20:45.10 | gradzac | later all |
| 20:45.23 | chealer | greycat: it doesn't seem to be there |
| 20:45.25 | simonrvn | how about earlier? |
| 20:45.39 | greycat | chealer: then you get to grab a new kernel image too. |
| 20:45.58 | simonrvn | "ooo ooo, a new image!" |
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| 20:46.37 | chealer | hum...I don't mind grabbing a new image but I'm trying to see if the nvidia drivers crashes my X because of 2.6.8. it worked for many weeks with 2.6.6 |
| 20:47.07 | giupy | i past some flood about compiling unicorn drivers, can anyone help me? |
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| 20:47.19 | giupy | i paste in #flood :) |
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| 20:49.05 | simonrvn | chealer: i'd recommend doing a security patch on 2.6.6 and keep using that if it gives you less problems |
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| 20:49.31 | greycat | or grab the 2.6.7 sources and use your existing config to build a custom kernel + headers |
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| 20:49.57 | MrP | Hello |
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| 20:50.18 | zimnyx | what you think about gentoo? (my friend PC is relatively faster with gentoo with comparsion to debian) |
| 20:50.30 | MrP | I just installed a very light copy of debian. No GUI/etc. However, it didn't install ipconfig. How can I get that installed? |
| 20:50.34 | emilios | night guys |
| 20:50.43 | MrP | I tried apt-get install ipconfig, but no go |
| 20:50.44 | chealer | MrP: ifconfig |
| 20:50.52 | MrP | WOW, talk about a moron |
| 20:51.07 | MrP | You can tell I've been working on windoze machines for the past 7 hours |
| 20:51.09 | MrP | Thanks :) |
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| 20:51.23 | zimnyx | MrP: ip config? or ifconfig? |
| 20:51.37 | chealer | hehe good, I thought you said I was a moron :) |
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| 20:52.38 | chealer | I guess 2.6.7 is half-way to 2.6.6...I'll try that anyway |
| 20:52.42 | LarsAC | I have two identical setups, but on one I cannot install a package |
| 20:53.10 | dvs | LarsAC: Then they're not identical. |
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| 20:53.26 | LarsAC | dvs: but I cant find out the difference |
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| 20:53.48 | mxn | Hi. I'm not a complete noob, but I'm trying to get sound working and can't. lspci only tells me I've got a SiS onboard sound chip. My mobo manual says it's AC'97 compatible. Any ideas? |
| 20:54.22 | justin | mxn: install discover |
| 20:54.47 | giupy | mxn comile kernel with sis support in audio |
| 20:54.51 | giupy | compile |
| 20:55.09 | LarsAC | If i do apt-cache policy perl-base, I get 5.8.4-4 on two systems |
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| 20:55.33 | mxn | giupy: I don't believe that's possible. |
| 20:55.35 | greycat | mxn: for 2.4/OSS, try the i810_audio module first... |
| 20:55.44 | LarsAC | but on one system I can install libperl5.8, on the other I cant |
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| 20:56.08 | giupy | mxn in pci devices Intel i8x0 |
| 20:56.24 | mxn | greycat: Well, some stuff is running at boot (including hotplug), and modules "soundcore", "ac97_codec" and "i810_audio" were loaded automatically. Sound works but the mixer doesn't seem to. |
| 20:56.30 | PhorceP | Is there any way to get the wheel on a PS/2 MS "Wheel Mouse 3.0" to work in XF86 4.3? |
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| 20:57.15 | mxn | PhorceP: Make sure that its device configuration in XF86Config-4 has Protocol "ImPS/2" |
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| 20:57.42 | xfree86x | guys i need some ssistance, with my sound card |
| 20:57.51 | PhorceP | mxn: That's what I'm using |
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| 20:57.56 | greycat | !FAQ xfree86x |
| 20:57.56 | dvs | justin: Wow, you predicted it. |
| 20:57.57 | dpkg | xfree86x: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 20:58.15 | xfree86x | iv been there but i must have done something wrong on kernel recompile, i need to enable modular sound |
| 20:58.16 | greycat | 15:18 justin> i'm sure he will be back asking why his new kernel doesn't work soon |
| 20:58.18 | mxn | PhorceP: 'fraid I can't help, then. |
| 20:58.27 | giupy | anyone with unicorn usb ? |
| 20:58.30 | greycat | xfree86x: you should not be building a custom kernel if you aren't ready |
| 20:58.39 | xfree86x | no i upgraded from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 20:58.45 | greycat | giupy: sorry, unicorns won't work for me. I'm a non-virgin. |
| 20:58.50 | ChrysalisM | How does one slow down the mouse with ImPS/2 the Option "Resolution" "value" doesnt seem to work |
| 20:58.57 | greycat | xfree86x: then you did it WRONG. |
| 20:59.03 | xfree86x | and everythings went smooth apart from sound, |
| 20:59.06 | giupy | greycat ? |
| 20:59.10 | Jebediah | Got a USB external HD using vfat. When I try to mount it rw it says it succeeded, but still claims the darn thing is not writable. Any suggestions? |
| 20:59.10 | xfree86x | well, can u tel me where i went wrong instead of talking crap please ? |
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| 20:59.19 | greycat | xfree86x: how can we, if you didn't tell us what you did? |
| 20:59.25 | mxn | greycat: OK. I've loaded soundcore/ac97.../i810. mpg123 foo.mp3: "Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)" Any ideas? |
| 20:59.28 | EdibleText | giupy, i suspect that is nethack humour ;) |
| 20:59.29 | xfree86x | ok iv did modconf |
| 20:59.32 | xfree86x | loaded modules |
| 20:59.35 | giupy | ah |
| 20:59.38 | xfree86x | tried soundconfig but i get this error: |
| 20:59.41 | greycat | mxn: it's probably in use, then. |
| 20:59.44 | xfree86x | you don't seem to be running a kernel with modular sound enabled. (soundcore.o was not found in the module search path). |
| 20:59.45 | greycat | mxn: lsof, fuser |
| 20:59.46 | giupy | i'm not so good in english |
| 20:59.54 | xfree86x | so how can i enable modular sound (its working fine in 2.4) |
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| 21:00.03 | greycat | xfree86x: why the hell are you trying to use soundconfig? |
| 21:00.09 | greycat | !works in 2.4 |
| 21:00.10 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 21:00.12 | xfree86x | toconfigure my sound duh, |
| 21:00.19 | xfree86x | or to let debian detect it |
| 21:00.22 | greycat | xfree86x: why? just do what you did in 2.4. |
| 21:00.34 | greycat | or were you trying to "upgrade" (*spit*) to ALSA at the same time? |
| 21:00.35 | xfree86x | er ... it detects it in 2.4 |
| 21:00.42 | greycat | THEN RUN 2.4! |
| 21:00.43 | xfree86x | mi googling but i cant find anything |
| 21:00.50 | xfree86x | I WUNT 2.6 |
| 21:00.54 | greycat | why? |
| 21:00.55 | Jebediah | xfree86x: kernel recompile |
| 21:00.58 | xfree86x | so i can run the official atmel wlan drivers |
| 21:01.02 | xfree86x | for 2.6 |
| 21:01.12 | Jebediah | xfree86x: the official ones sucks, use berlios ones |
| 21:01.13 | xfree86x | and so i can access my raid hard drive |
| 21:01.15 | greycat | wireless is Teh Evil. |
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| 21:01.22 | xfree86x | berlios is wot im usin |
| 21:01.24 | xfree86x | on 2.4 |
| 21:01.25 | greycat | !wot |
| 21:01.25 | dpkg | It's 'what', you idiot |
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| 21:01.55 | greycat | so. why didn't you build your sound modules as modules? Go do it. |
| 21:02.03 | xfree86x | yeh id like to if i knew how, |
| 21:02.10 | greycat | press 'M' instead of 'Y'. |
| 21:02.25 | zzyber | Hi, i found a specific website containing several pages and i wounder if there is a way to download the entire site to disk? |
| 21:02.26 | Jebediah | xfree86x: the Berlios ones work better for me. YOu should give them a try. |
| 21:02.29 | greycat | or better yet, DO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU, AND USE AN OFFICIAL DEBIAN KERNEL IMAGE. |
| 21:02.30 | xfree86x | i need to enable modular sound in my kernel, anyway i can do this, |
| 21:02.36 | xfree86x | berlis dusnt hav support for 2.6 |
| 21:02.40 | mxn | greycat: Nothing suspect. What's strange is that xmms can play things. (But, as I mentioned, the mixer is totally fooked.) |
| 21:02.43 | greycat | so don't use 2.6. |
| 21:02.52 | xfree86x | i am using an official debian kernel image |
| 21:02.54 | xfree86x | i used apt-get |
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| 21:03.00 | greycat | no you aren't. you fucking liar. |
| 21:03.06 | xfree86x | you what ?? |
| 21:03.18 | greycat | 15:58 xfree86x> iv been there but i must have done something wrong on kernel recompile, i need to enable modular sound |
| 21:03.26 | greycat | you said you COMPILED it. |
| 21:03.28 | Jebediah | xfree86x: I am using the berlios CVS with 2.6 right now |
| 21:03.51 | xfree86x | ok, il do that thanks for the berlios tip |
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| 21:04.06 | xfree86x | so how am i going to enable "modular sound" on my kernel |
| 21:04.11 | greycat | I TOLD YOU. |
| 21:04.13 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 21:04.18 | xfree86x | TOLD ME WHAT MAN |
| 21:04.21 | xfree86x | U AINT TOLD ME SHIT |
| 21:04.25 | Jaxalot | CAPS LOCK |
| 21:04.25 | xfree86x | id appreciate your help |
| 21:04.32 | dvs | xfree86x: Too late |
| 21:05.00 | xfree86x | so what shal i do |
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| 21:05.50 | z0unds- | can i use netstat for certain interfaces? |
| 21:06.33 | LarsAC | I cant install subversion, what can I do ? |
| 21:06.37 | Jaxalot | Right, well, I'll give this another go: I'm installing Sarge rc2 on a PII/266Mhz laptop with 64 MB of RAM. Weak little thing, I know. ;) Anyway, Debian setup recognizes the IDE CD-ROM drive, but when it gets to the point where it should copy the install files over, it says it can't read the disk, and it isn't a valid Debian install disk. I've got no idea what's wrong. |
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| 21:07.14 | Jaxalot | And the floppy drive on said laptop is, unfortunately, not in such great condition. So the boot floppies are out of the question. |
| 21:07.32 | Jebediah | Running fsck.vfat on my USB drive I have two folders named the same but I need that... is there a way to ignore it? |
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| 21:08.26 | giupy | do all eth adsl modems go in linux ? |
| 21:08.42 | greycat | giupy: they should, since linux only sees the ethernet card, not the external ADSL modem |
| 21:08.42 | Jebediah | giupy: they should |
| 21:08.56 | giupy | oh |
| 21:08.57 | giupy | k |
| 21:09.04 | Jaxalot | Anyone have any idea? |
| 21:09.20 | greycat | Jaxalot: alt-f2, alt-f3, find out what's wrong. |
| 21:09.29 | sepski | z0unds-, dont know what you mean, but you must probably grep on the local ip address |
| 21:10.06 | Jebediah | Jaxalot: what was the question? |
| 21:10.06 | chealer | giupy: linux makes you realize how unreliable is your connection if you happen to have a bad ISP :) |
| 21:10.06 | chealer | or modem |
| 21:10.37 | simonrvn | man, /ig -replies i miss some of the more interesting bits |
| 21:10.53 | ChrysalisM | anybody know how to slow down a mouse in X? |
| 21:11.01 | Jaxalot | Jeb: Scroll up a tiny bit. |
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| 21:11.49 | Jebediah | Jaxalot: did you run an md5sum to make sure it burnt correctly? |
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| 21:12.52 | Jaxalot | Jeb: This is the same CD that installed correctly on another machine. The other one was a PIII/500Mhz tower, and this one's a PII/266Mhz laptop. |
| 21:13.25 | Jaxalot | Jebediah: But not, I haven't run an md5sum. |
| 21:13.43 | Jebediah | Jaxalot: any chance it's overheating? My sysadmin had that issue once. Took the machine outside and it installed, lol |
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| 21:14.26 | Jaxalot | I don't think so. I've seen it run much hotter than this, and it's just barely distinguishable from room temperature to the touch. |
| 21:14.30 | Nigel | is there something known to be wrong in kdm from the sarge apt? |
| 21:14.54 | zimnyx | what you think about gentoo? (my friend PC is relatively faster with gentoo with comparsion to debian) |
| 21:14.58 | Jaxalot | greycat: What should I be looking for in the other console, specifically? |
| 21:15.03 | greycat | Jaxalot: errors. |
| 21:15.12 | dvs | !tell zimnyx about polls |
| 21:15.14 | greycat | find out why it doesn't like your CD |
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| 21:15.32 | Jaxalot | greycat: But what commands should I be running? |
| 21:15.39 | Nigel | because at the present moment when i login via kdm it just gives me a xterm in my name |
| 21:16.05 | Nigel | and it gets kind of annoying i must say |
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| 21:16.34 | greycat | Jaxalot: dmesg is a good one. |
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| 21:16.46 | giupy | what i need to configure pcmcia wireless + modem adsl wireless |
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| 21:17.06 | sepski | Nigel, and your choises under 'session' in kdm is ? try another |
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| 21:17.17 | Nigel | it happens on them all |
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| 21:17.25 | Nigel | i've tried them all |
| 21:17.27 | Maxian | Anyone know what codec is needed to listen to npr streams with mplayer? |
| 21:17.28 | Jaak_ | hey people |
| 21:17.32 | sepski | i have kdm and sarge and i dont experience that |
| 21:17.48 | lamp__ | i have installed nvidia driver and and now x is slow it needs much cpu (3.4ghz) |
| 21:17.49 | Jaxalot | Whew, that's a lot of text. |
| 21:17.51 | Jaxalot | hdc: DMA disabled |
| 21:17.51 | Jaxalot | hdc: drive not ready for complete |
| 21:17.51 | Jaxalot | hdc: ATAPI reset complete |
| 21:17.51 | Jaak_ | i would need some help here :) |
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| 21:17.58 | Jebediah | Maxian: realplayer? |
| 21:17.58 | Jaxalot | Heh. |
| 21:18.05 | Jebediah | wb Jaxalot |
| 21:18.18 | sepski | !tell Jaak_ about ask |
| 21:18.26 | Jaak_ | nvidia module isnt being loaded on boot, tho' there is file /etc/modutils/nvidia-kernel-nkc |
| 21:18.27 | Maxian | oh yea, and it needs to work via shell |
| 21:18.32 | PhorceP | Is there any way to get the wheel on a PS/2 MS "Wheel Mouse 3.0" to work in XF86 4.3? |
| 21:18.42 | Nigel | well it exectues "xterm -ls -T startkde |
| 21:18.42 | Jaxalot | There's a lot of text output from that command. What should I be looking for? |
| 21:18.53 | Jaxalot | Errors regarding what? And would they start off with something obvious? |
| 21:18.57 | Jaxalot | Like "ERROR:" or |
| 21:19.01 | Nigel | which obviously seems to be wrong? |
| 21:19.01 | Jaxalot | "FATAL:" |
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| 21:19.15 | Jaak_ | the line is: alias char-major-195 nvidia |
| 21:19.21 | sepski | phorce1, dont know the mouse ,but i would have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfre86 and select imps/2 when it ask about mouse protocol |
| 21:19.32 | Jaak_ | worked well with kernel 2.4, but not with 2.6 |
| 21:19.35 | PhorceP | sepski: Already done that |
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| 21:20.11 | sepski | and you have verified that your configfile actualy got that change by viewing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 21:20.29 | sepski | and restarted X ofcourse |
| 21:20.29 | PhorceP | sepski: Yes. I've looked over the config file several times |
| 21:20.37 | PhorceP | and restarted X several times as well |
| 21:20.47 | giupy | what i need to configure pcmcia wireless + modem adsl wireless |
| 21:20.48 | sepski | PhorceP, then i cant help. i dont have such a mouse |
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| 21:21.28 | Jaxalot | greycat: Are there specific errors I should be looking for in that output? |
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| 21:21.46 | greycat | Jaxalot: if you knew what error you had, you wouldn't be looking for errors. |
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| 21:21.53 | Nigel | so does anyone know of a possible solution to fixing this problem |
| 21:22.10 | ombresaco | hello |
| 21:22.22 | cookie_ | hello, can anyone tell me when sarge becomes stable? |
| 21:22.26 | Nigel | i believe it could be fixed by taking the -T out of the xterm thing but i can't find the file that kdm gets that from |
| 21:22.37 | greycat | cookie_: WIR |
| 21:22.40 | jstevens | cookie_: when it's ready |
| 21:22.47 | sepski | phorce1, but ther is a microsoft protocol iirc... never used it for anything... but you never know |
| 21:22.49 | naim | ello, why cant i install mozilla-firebird ?? |
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| 21:23.05 | cookie_ | :x yeah oki. |
| 21:23.06 | giupy | naim apt-get install mozilla-firebird ? |
| 21:23.07 | Jaxalot | greycat: Will a line with an error start with something obvious? |
| 21:23.09 | PhorceP | sepski: I tried that, but the mouse stopped working right |
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| 21:23.18 | naim | giupy, yup |
| 21:23.31 | giupy | naim wich error ? |
| 21:23.32 | sepski | PhorceP, figures :) |
| 21:23.52 | Pioto | what does it mean when apt-get dist-upgrade tells me "the following packages have been held back"? |
| 21:24.04 | Pioto | did someone force them to be? or is it due to dependencies? |
| 21:24.07 | greycat | it does NOT SAY "held back". |
| 21:24.10 | greycat | !kept back |
| 21:24.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
| 21:24.35 | naim | giupy, need the old light wieght mozilla |
| 21:25.20 | giupy | naim mmm apt-get should install depencies too |
| 21:26.00 | Jaak_ | meh, i dont get it, the google isnt telling me anything useful, i could live with typing "modprobe nvidia" every time on boot, but i'd be kinda... annoying |
| 21:26.18 | ombresaco | a litle question, if I want to save the packgages I've download in a CD, |
| 21:26.29 | geoaxis | what would be a good # to discuss web devlopment , especially server side scripts |
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| 21:26.50 | ombresaco | what must i save /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
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| 21:27.04 | ombresaco | anything else? |
| 21:27.10 | naim | giupy, i can apt-get firefox .. but i thought firebird was much lighter |
| 21:27.12 | ombresaco | in some special format? |
| 21:27.13 | mad_ogre | Jaak_: did u add nvidia to /etc/modules? |
| 21:27.34 | Jaak_ | there already is nvidiaish line there |
| 21:27.34 | justin | !+firebird |
| 21:27.34 | dpkg | i heard firebird is the DFSG-free version of Borland's InterBase: http://firebird.sf.net/ If you want the web browser, see Firefox |
| 21:27.43 | giupy | naim i use mozilla |
| 21:27.52 | naim | giupy, using fluxbox .. i wanna keep the load as small as possible |
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| 21:28.09 | Jaak_ | ah, not in /etc/modules |
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| 21:28.24 | Jaak_ | but is in /etc/modutils/nvidia-kernel-nkc and /etc/modules.conf |
| 21:28.26 | giupy | naim links2 :) sometimes i use it from cnosole woth fb suppert |
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| 21:28.39 | Jaak_ | so, i simply need to add nvidia at the end of file? |
| 21:28.47 | nite_fly-work | is there like a minimum install for debian ? |
| 21:29.24 | justin | nite_fly-work: what do you consider "minimum" |
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| 21:29.27 | nite_fly-work | like just console / bash / and network support |
| 21:29.27 | Jaak_ | nite_fly-work: you can make in minimal |
| 21:29.28 | sepski | nite_fly-work, i guess what you get when you run debbottstrap can be considered minimal |
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| 21:29.42 | abel | anyone can explain me how to retreive a source code as anonymous via cvs ? |
| 21:29.45 | justin | nite_fly-work: then you don't want debian |
| 21:30.02 | nite_fly-work | i was debian i just dont want a large like 500 + mb install |
| 21:30.11 | jak | good evening everybody. im just wondering about a package i cannot fetch/j #ssl |
| 21:30.13 | greycat | abel: cvs -d :pserver:whatever checkout whatever |
| 21:30.14 | Jaak_ | mad_ogre: would adding nvidia at the end of file help? |
| 21:30.16 | justin | where do you get 500M from? |
| 21:30.19 | sepski | nite_fly-work, leaf.sf.net gives you that and fits on a 1.68 floppy |
| 21:30.20 | jak | oops, sorry |
| 21:30.21 | mad_ogre | Jaak_: it should |
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| 21:30.33 | sepski | and is mostly debian compatible in it's behavior |
| 21:30.35 | Jaak_ | mad_ogre: i hope so :) |
| 21:30.36 | Abysmal | does debian have some sort of way to mirror drives?? |
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| 21:30.40 | Jaak_ | mad_ogre: thanks |
| 21:30.41 | abel | greycat if i give u the location i need to retrieve canu gimi the exact sentence ? |
| 21:30.47 | nite_fly-work | all i really need mysql / apache / DNS / IRC and a few other tools |
| 21:31.01 | sepski | nite_fly-work, that dont fit on a floppy :P |
| 21:31.08 | greycat | abel: no |
| 21:31.12 | greycat | abel: read the man pages |
| 21:31.16 | abel | greycat : ;( |
| 21:31.35 | budluva_ | can someone help me with a resolution problem, i can't seem to go any higher than 640x480, i compiled it with support for 800x600, when i goto select resolution while in x i can only see 640x480 |
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| 21:31.45 | BlakeRG | I am having trouble getting this second slave hard drive working, i've got it formatted and mounted but df reports the HD size of 30GB :( |
| 21:31.51 | nite_fly-work | i just dont need all the x-windows shit ! |
| 21:31.53 | h2k | why is there no gaim dev pkg in unstable? |
| 21:32.08 | abel | greycat : i just have done this and do a few attempt but this don't work, i need this just 4 one time ... don't wana eat the entire cvs documentation ... |
| 21:32.29 | budluva_ | i've tried to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 with 800x600 but i can still only see 640x480 |
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| 21:32.43 | sepski | Abysmal, mirror as in linux software raid or mirror as in clone just once (dd) |
| 21:32.44 | Jaak_ | nite_fly-work: get net iso, you can make very minimal debian then |
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| 21:32.52 | justin | !tell budluva_ about X problem |
| 21:33.03 | nite_fly-work | k... |
| 21:33.11 | Sero | What's the name of the package for mplayer? |
| 21:33.18 | Jaak_ | source |
| 21:33.19 | Jaak_ | :P |
| 21:33.20 | justin | !tell Sero about mplayer |
| 21:33.35 | Spec | What's the most commonly asked question in this channel? |
| 21:33.44 | Jaak_ | there is debian installation instuction in mplayers site |
| 21:33.47 | Spec | other than, possibly, "Can I ask a question?" |
| 21:33.53 | Jaak_ | :P |
| 21:33.57 | Abysmal | I only have 2 34 gig drives so raid wouldnt work.. so just mirroring.. |
| 21:34.13 | h2k | !tell h2k about mplayer |
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| 21:34.21 | giupy | are mouse wireless+usb supported under linux |
| 21:34.23 | giupy | ? |
| 21:34.30 | sepski | Abysmal, raid1 = mirroring, read up on linux software raid |
| 21:34.34 | Jaak_ | !tell Jaak_ about mplayer |
| 21:34.47 | Jaak_ | fair enough |
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| 21:35.22 | jak | giupy: did you compile your kernel yourself? |
| 21:35.26 | h2k | !tell h2k about gaim |
| 21:35.27 | Jaxalot | greycat: This text is on the fourth console: "/cdrom/dists/releases : no such file or directory" |
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| 21:35.52 | giupy | jak i don't have it now i want to buy it :) |
| 21:36.17 | sepski | goodnigth |
| 21:36.21 | Abysmal | sepski.. thanks |
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| 21:37.26 | jak | giupy: in general it is supported (mine works), but be sure, that your mouse is talking to your box in a 'regular way', so buy something like loghitech and youll be statisfied :) |
| 21:37.44 | giupy | jak thanks k |
| 21:38.15 | abel | greycat: just have done it with your sentence ... thanks |
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| 21:39.23 | Jaxalot | greycat: That directory really doesn't exist. There's a "release" in /cdrom/dists/sarge/. |
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| 21:42.16 | mad_ogre | Jaxalot: can u see if ur install partition has mounted on /target? |
| 21:42.20 | mazz | hello, I'm having trouble getting my Linksys Etherfast pcmcia card to work. It works fine with the stock debian 2.2.20 kernel but i can't get it up with a custom 2.4.20 kernel. |
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| 21:43.50 | jak | mazz: doesnt the card show up even when you type ifconfig -a? |
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| 21:44.04 | a-atwood_home | heh. got the network install going. my problem was bad floppies |
| 21:44.35 | a-atwood_home | had 15 bad disks trying to get the 6 (rescue, root, and drivers) to load |
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| 21:45.07 | a-atwood_home | evidently no one makes decent floppies anymore. these were memorex |
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| 21:45.10 | paines | hi |
| 21:45.27 | dvs | a-atwood_home: Does anyone make floppies anymore? ;-) |
| 21:46.01 | paines | i just tested gnome under sid. didn't like it an switched back to kde. now in kde, the default mouse pointer design is still like the gnome ones. anyone know why and how to change this ? |
| 21:46.10 | a-atwood_home | dvs: pretty much not. 8\ |
| 21:46.25 | jak | mazz: doesnt the card show up even when you type ifconfig -a? |
| 21:46.37 | abel | i just have get a source directory via cvs [thanks to greycat] but there's not ./configure file within and the INSTALL file say to do ./configure what's that any idea if i can do something to create this file ? |
| 21:46.48 | Jaak_ | okay, one more problem guy, does anyone know solution to this "missing /media/cdrom0" problem? |
| 21:46.56 | Jaak_ | s/guy/guys |
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| 21:47.28 | Jaak_ | (/media/cdrom0 gets deleted on every reboot) |
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| 21:48.12 | nite_fly-work | the debian small package has just about everything i need! |
| 21:48.16 | Jaak_ | not really some big issue, but still quite annoying |
| 21:48.17 | mazz | jak: nothing comes up. modprobe returns only its standard error. |
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| 21:49.39 | maher | Jaak_: what gives you this error? |
| 21:50.30 | Jaak_ | maher: if i mount /cdrom it says: |
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| 21:51.07 | Buddha| | I'm trying to install Debian on an amd64 system, but my CD drive just ignores the disc when I try to boot from it |
| 21:51.28 | jstevens | Buddha|: and you ahveyour bios set to boot from CDRom ?? |
| 21:51.29 | Jaak_ | mount: can't find /cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 21:51.44 | Jaak_ | but only thing i have to do, is create dir /media/cdrom0 |
| 21:51.54 | Jaak_ | because /media/cdrom is symlinked to it |
| 21:52.12 | Buddha| | jstevens - yep. Tried both my CD-RW and my DVD-RW drives, and it just boots straight to Fedora... |
| 21:52.16 | maher | Jaak_: what is symlinked to what? |
| 21:52.28 | abel | what is a configure.in file ? |
| 21:52.39 | Jaak_ | /media/cdrom to /media/cdrom0 |
| 21:52.44 | LarsAC | I have the same version of perl-base on two machines, but on one I cannot install libperl5.8 |
| 21:52.53 | LarsAC | what can I do ? |
| 21:52.55 | Jaak_ | whell... and /cdrom to /media/cdrom O_o |
| 21:53.08 | mxn | If I'm using make-kpkg to compile modules for my kernel, how can I tell it to only compile a certain module that might be hanging around in /usr/src/modules? |
| 21:53.17 | jstevens | Buddha|: very odd... |
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| 21:53.26 | SquareRt | drochaid: if you connect a differential scsi drive to a single-ended bus, will it fail to spin up? (that is, spin up and down and up and down... ad nauseum) |
| 21:53.28 | streuner | abel: http://www.adp-gmbh.ch/misc/tools/configure/ |
| 21:53.29 | maher | Jaak_: i'm not sure what you want to do - whay not add a /cdrom line to fstab |
| 21:53.32 | SquareRt | erm... |
| 21:53.36 | SquareRt | if you connect a differential scsi drive to a single-ended bus, will it fail to spin up? (that is, spin up and down and up and down... ad nauseum) |
| 21:53.44 | SquareRt | that's what I meant.... copied and pasted wrong |
| 21:53.50 | jstevens | Buddha|: do you have another machine that you can use to make sure that the CD you are using was burnt correctly to be read/booted from? |
| 21:53.53 | Jaak_ | maher: the line is there, just that /media/cdrom0 gets deleted on every boot |
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| 21:54.01 | Jaak_ | and i have to recreate it manually |
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| 21:54.09 | maher | Jaak_: what is the cdrom line in fstab |
| 21:54.26 | Jaak_ | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 21:54.35 | abel | streuner : looking at |
| 21:54.37 | initech | SquareRt: it doesn't have a SE jumper on it? |
| 21:54.49 | Buddha| | jstevens - I've tried the regular install discs and net-install, both with and without the graphical installer, burned on a linux box and a windohs machine, and it's never worked... |
| 21:54.53 | streuner | abel: Hanging around in Paris? |
| 21:55.14 | SquareRt | initech: what... Start Enable? |
| 21:55.24 | Jaak_ | should be correct thing imo |
| 21:55.34 | jstevens | Buddha|: what I meant was trying to boot off the CD on another machine... |
| 21:55.39 | maher | Jaak_: does /media/cdrom get deleted on every boot? should that be in the fstab lin einstead? |
| 21:55.39 | initech | single ended |
| 21:55.52 | jstevens | Buddha|: I'm with you though.. it doesnt' make sense |
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| 21:55.56 | SquareRt | initech: not sure... I haven't got the drive with me... I think it's an IBM DCHS |
| 21:56.01 | Buddha| | jstevens - yeah, I could try that. sorry, didn't see your comment until after my last post |
| 21:56.12 | Buddha| | I'll be back in a minute |
| 21:56.21 | Jaak_ | maher: well no, its sym link |
| 21:56.59 | Jaak_ | same thing works well in 2.4 |
| 21:57.08 | maher | Jaak_: where does /media/cdrom point? |
| 21:57.16 | Jaak_ | /media/cdrom0 |
| 21:57.36 | SquareRt | and I get a "hardware error" message about it or somesuch if netbsd tries to use it (I can't remember what debian says)... basically it doesn't spin up and stay spun up.. it spins up slowly, stays for a few seconds, clicks, spins down slowly.... I was trying to use it on a sun sparcstation |
| 21:57.41 | SquareRt | (sparcstation 20) |
| 21:57.44 | SquareRt | initech: any idea o |
| 21:58.00 | Jaak_ | i didnt get much from google, only thing was that it would be discover issue |
| 21:58.02 | maher | Jaak_: i don't know what's meant to happen with /media - putting /cdrom in the fstab line should work tho |
| 21:58.16 | SquareRt | if the disk is knackered or if it needs differential and it's being weird? (I've resisted chucking it because it was supposedly tested and formatted when I bought it) |
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| 21:58.31 | SquareRt | ^^ initech .. end of sentence... I slipped and hit enter before lol |
| 21:58.44 | Jaak_ | so, using symbolic link to nowhere should help? :P |
| 21:58.45 | SquareRt | erm, not lol, "he he he" lest I be flamed and char-grilled |
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| 21:59.15 | Jaak_ | i think ill try to reconfigure discover not to manage my cdrom foo, and see what happens |
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| 21:59.17 | kneet | Has anyone taught dpkg how to char-grill? |
| 21:59.20 | dobby_ | hello when i build a kernel the debian way do i have to make the 'make module_install' thing or does kpkg it for me? |
| 22:00.03 | felixdz | Hello. Anybody here from Netherlands who uses xs4all adsl as their isp? |
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| 22:00.54 | SquareRt | no idea then, anyone? |
| 22:01.01 | maher | Jaak_: i meant fixing the fstab line to be /dev/hdc /cdrom ... |
| 22:01.11 | DimmuR_ | any1 knows some program that can viewe CorelDraw (.cdr) files? |
| 22:01.19 | baronsamedi | dobby_, make-kpkg gives you a .deb you can do that with |
| 22:01.27 | abel | any user ok K3B and emovix ? |
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| 22:01.34 | grendal_prime | DimmuR_, coreldraw?? |
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| 22:01.43 | grendal_prime | was that a trick questioin? |
| 22:01.46 | Jaak_ | will try |
| 22:01.50 | baronsamedi | hmpff. I've had some right problems, all my kernel's fail to boot with a /dev/shm error for some reason, not even changed the .config |
| 22:02.14 | streuner | abel: learn to use 'cdrecord' and 'cdrdao' - its easy. |
| 22:02.17 | felixdz | DimmuR tried the gimp? |
| 22:02.25 | grendal_prime | gimp probably can |
| 22:02.32 | grendal_prime | i would think you could import it |
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| 22:02.43 | Jaak_ | brb |
| 22:02.43 | Spec | What NIC driver do I use for VMWare? |
| 22:02.44 | felixdz | Worth a go. Its free:) |
| 22:02.51 | grendal_prime | cdr files are a bit strange though...i mean not likt most graphic files |
| 22:03.01 | grendal_prime | everthing has its own identity |
| 22:03.04 | streuner | Spec: ask vmware support, you have paid for. |
| 22:03.10 | abel | streuner : it's not for me that i install my current machine but for a end user. I want him to do all the thing he do on windows. without a terminal ;) |
| 22:03.18 | Spec | but...people here can get me an answer in .. maybe 32 seconds |
| 22:03.19 | Spec | :p |
| 22:03.27 | streuner | able: xcdroast |
| 22:03.30 | macomber | Spec: pcnet32 |
| 22:03.35 | Spec | thanks |
| 22:03.44 | DimmuR_ | grendal_prime: is corel draw working in debian? |
| 22:03.53 | abel | streuner ok apt-get xcdroast... it burn dvd too ? |
| 22:04.01 | streuner | Spec: you didn't pay them. |
| 22:04.09 | Spec | ? |
| 22:04.18 | streuner | abel: no idea, i would guess so. |
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| 22:04.32 | Buddha| | jstevens - I tried it on my windohs machine, and it just gave me a blinking cursor |
| 22:04.33 | streuner | Spec: this #debian not vmware-support. |
| 22:04.40 | streuner | is* |
| 22:04.41 | felixdz | There was a linux version of corel draw until Microsoft assimilated the company. |
| 22:04.42 | Spec | I'm using debian in vmware |
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| 22:05.00 | lunaphyte | hi all |
| 22:05.00 | xfree86x | can someone using kernel 2.6.6. send me soundcore.o please |
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| 22:05.10 | streuner | xfree86x: no |
| 22:05.12 | xfree86x | y not |
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| 22:05.20 | justin | !+y |
| 22:05.20 | dpkg | methinks y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 22:05.27 | streuner | xfree86x: you prolly have it already. |
| 22:05.32 | xfree86x | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.39 | Jaak_ | didnt work :( |
| 22:05.41 | xfree86x | modular sound was disabled i did it by acident when compiling new kernel |
| 22:05.43 | maher | xfree86x: is this a kernel you compiled yourself? |
| 22:05.50 | simmerz | how do i clear the cache in /var. I've allocated 1GB to /var and its now full... |
| 22:05.51 | streuner | xfree86x: what does 'uname -a' say? |
| 22:05.53 | maher | Jaak_: what didn't work |
| 22:06.00 | xfree86x | 2.4.27 im in 2.4.27 jus now |
| 22:06.02 | xfree86x | not 2.6.6. |
| 22:06.15 | streuner | custom kernel? |
| 22:06.26 | xfree86x | yes i did it myself |
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| 22:06.30 | xfree86x | apt-get install etc. |
| 22:06.35 | xfree86x | then after it downloaded |
| 22:06.37 | xfree86x | extracted to |
| 22:06.37 | maher | xfree86x: check your configure options |
| 22:06.49 | xfree86x | /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.6 |
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| 22:06.49 | mazz | exit |
| 22:07.02 | xfree86x | when i run soundconfig it says "modular sound not enabled" |
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| 22:07.19 | justin | 15:10 < justin> xfree86x: don't use 2.6. don't use sndconfig |
| 22:07.20 | streuner | xfree86x: don't use sndconfig, otherwise we can't help. |
| 22:07.26 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:07.34 | xfree86x | ok, what shall i do then ? |
| 22:07.40 | xfree86x | im sure i checked sound as modules |
| 22:07.43 | Buddha| | dpkg - hmm.. I think I saw your nick in a quote in Fortune... |
| 22:07.44 | dpkg | Buddha|: no idea |
| 22:07.50 | streuner | xfree86x: /msg dpkg sound |
| 22:08.11 | lunaphyte | any ideas as to why rsync might be successfully transferring a file, but complaining it doesn't exist when attempting to chown it? |
| 22:08.14 | xfree86x | dpkg sound |
| 22:08.14 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 22:08.26 | Jaak_ | maher: the /media/cdrom0\1 directories are still being deleted, and i cant mound the cdrom |
| 22:08.28 | streuner | xfree86x: if you searching for soundcore.o is likely that your kernel doesn't have sound enabled at all... |
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| 22:08.51 | xfree86x | i know |
| 22:08.54 | xfree86x | so how am i goign to enable it |
| 22:08.56 | xfree86x | recompile ? |
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| 22:09.01 | streuner | xfree86x: just apt-get install one |
| 22:09.08 | maher | Jaak_: what is your fstab line |
| 22:09.11 | xfree86x | yeah but i dont have net access on 2.6.6 yet |
| 22:09.13 | Jaxalot | I'm still having trouble installing Sarge rc2 onto a laptop, off of the CD. |
| 22:09.20 | streuner | xfree86x: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 22:09.22 | xfree86x | and wot package am i looking for |
| 22:09.24 | Jaxalot | It can't find the install files on the CD to copy over. |
| 22:09.30 | simmerz | can i safely rm -R /var/cache/* |
| 22:09.36 | Buddha| | dpkg - er, yeah. I was trying to install Debian on an amd64 box, and the disc was just getting ignored, so I tried it on a windows machine to test whether the disc had been burned properly, and just got a blank screen |
| 22:09.36 | dpkg | You are moron #15, Buddha| |
| 22:09.42 | streuner | simmerz: apt-get autoclean |
| 22:09.47 | Jaak_ | changed the /media/cdrom0 to /cdrom as you sayd |
| 22:09.49 | maher | Jaxalot: is this a fresh install? |
| 22:09.53 | Buddha| | dpkg - <L> |
| 22:10.07 | simmerz | streuner: that only cleans the apt cache |
| 22:10.09 | dpkg | Buddha|: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:10.12 | maher | Jaak_: what error do you get from mount /cdrom |
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| 22:10.16 | xfree86x | btw wot dus apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 do ? |
| 22:10.22 | streuner | simmerz: don't use rm -R, if you don't know what you doing |
| 22:10.27 | simmerz | done that and apt-get clean and /var is still at 100% |
| 22:10.31 | Buddha| | dpkg - is what larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:10.33 | dpkg | Buddha|: I think you lost me on that one |
| 22:10.33 | simmerz | is there a command to clear cache? |
| 22:10.49 | maher | simmerz: look in var to see what's taking up the space |
| 22:10.52 | streuner | xfree86x: its searching a official kernel-image for your branch of debian. |
| 22:10.53 | srinooo | Can somebody help me trouble shooting the sound in my laptop |
| 22:11.02 | xfree86x | ah i c, |
| 22:11.03 | justin | !+dus |
| 22:11.17 | xfree86x | wel iv alredy downloaded an image and its in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.6 |
| 22:11.19 | abel | is /dev/dsp used by alsa ? |
| 22:11.23 | NormAst | Is there a stable Sarge Debian? Or something close to stable? |
| 22:11.41 | abel | NormAst: lol no but there is a testing one ;) |
| 22:11.47 | streuner | NormAst: sarge is frozen now, almost stable. |
| 22:11.56 | Jaak_ | maher: that it cant to find /cdrom from fstab... but its symlink to /media/cdrom wich is symlink to /media/cdrom0 apparently because /media/cdrom0 gets deleted every time on boot, its dead symlink and cant point to where it doesnt excist |
| 22:11.58 | justin | dpkg: dus is more stupidity from 'xfree86x', see also: 'wot' 'u' 'ur' 'y' |
| 22:11.58 | dpkg | justin: okay |
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| 22:12.05 | LarsAC | you'll just be annoyed by dependency problems |
| 22:12.07 | xfree86x | pardon me |
| 22:12.16 | xfree86x | i apologise |
| 22:12.28 | xfree86x | or should i use aye instead of i since i am scottish ? |
| 22:12.30 | Jaak_ | maher: the solution is to make it not to delete /media/cdrom0... if i only knew how |
| 22:12.34 | streuner | xfree86x: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 22:12.47 | mad_ogre | Jaak_: try grepping cdrom in /etc/init.d |
| 22:12.49 | maher | Jaak_: paste the fstab line here, then paste the error from mount /cdrom, then paste ls -l /cdrom |
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| 22:12.51 | xfree86x | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 22:12.51 | xfree86x | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 22:12.51 | xfree86x | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 22:12.51 | xfree86x | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 22:12.51 | xfree86x | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
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| 22:12.58 | streuner | sorry |
| 22:12.59 | Spec | hehehe |
| 22:13.04 | streuner | that was my fault |
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| 22:13.11 | streuner | only the version |
| 22:13.22 | xfree86x | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.26 | streuner | sarge then |
| 22:13.33 | streuner | 2.6.8 is in sarge |
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| 22:14.35 | Jaak_ | itll take a sec |
| 22:14.39 | streuner | !find kernel-image-2.6.8 sarge |
| 22:14.41 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-image-2.6.8' (10 shown): kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-generic ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8 ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4 ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4-smp. |
| 22:14.46 | sussudio | streuner: the tard xfree86x is running knoppix |
| 22:14.50 | LarsAC | !find perl-base |
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| 22:14.54 | dpkg | perl-base: (The Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister), section base, is required. Version: 5.8.4-5 (sid), Packaged size: 733 kB, Installed size: 1908 kB |
| 22:14.59 | joaopaulo | when i try to login i received this message: system boot in progress - please wait , anybody can help me ? |
| 22:15.02 | streuner | sussudio: ah, thanks. |
| 22:15.17 | abel | how can i check if my alsa oss emulation layer is work ? |
| 22:16.04 | Jaak_ | maher: here it does |
| 22:16.06 | Jaak_ | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 22:16.06 | Jaak_ | mount: can't find /cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 22:16.07 | Jaak_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Dec 27 19:46 /cdrom -> media/cdrom |
| 22:16.36 | Jaak_ | doesnt work with /media/cdrom0 neather in fstab |
| 22:16.44 | xfree86x | how do i remove a package using apt-get |
| 22:16.49 | sussudio | !tell Jaak_ about flood |
| 22:17.00 | sussudio | xfree86x: bugger off to #knoppix |
| 22:17.07 | maher | Jaak_: change /media/cdrom to /cdrom |
| 22:17.09 | Jaxalot | Maybe the system is booting? |
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| 22:17.46 | nvz | joaopaulo: you need help waiting? |
| 22:17.48 | Jaak_ | oh, sorry, it is was /cdrom, and didnt work |
| 22:17.56 | nvz | joaopaulo: want be to play some wait music? |
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| 22:18.21 | Jaak_ | sussudio: sry bout flood, couldnt bother uling the file into server |
| 22:18.28 | joaopaulo | nvz, what? |
| 22:18.29 | maher | Jaak_: ok - make /media/cdrom just an empty dir |
| 22:18.37 | nvz | joaopaulo: heh, did you just boot up or do you have any active logins or anything? |
| 22:19.04 | drac | hmm, having a bit of problems with aMSN (0.94-1), this is tcl written messenger in sarge. after it asks my username, and password and tries to log on; it simply just freezes without errors, and i have to kill it. Is there some common tcl thingie or sumthing i'm missing? |
| 22:19.13 | joaopaulo | nvz, i have active login |
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| 22:19.51 | nvz | joaopaulo: did you upgrade something or modify something recently? |
| 22:19.52 | Jaak_ | mad_ogre: www.oesel.ee/~jaak/tmp.txt |
| 22:20.05 | Jaak_ | thats output, tho' i dont understand much :P |
| 22:20.29 | nvz | joaopaulo: there is a startup script that places a nologin file and gives that message durring system boot, then its supposed to clean up after itsself and allow logins |
| 22:20.43 | joaopaulo | nvz, updated login yesterday, im reading for do a downgrade |
| 22:20.45 | nvz | joaopaulo: its possible you ran the script again while the system was running maybe. |
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| 22:21.19 | nvz | joaopaulo: its supposed to stop anyone from logging in before the system is finished booting |
| 22:21.26 | maher | Jaak_: where did that come from? |
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| 22:22.03 | Jaak_ | gerpping init.d fro cdrom |
| 22:22.08 | Jaak_ | greping* |
| 22:22.11 | crg__ | Hello, I want to copy a directory and everything below it to another directory |
| 22:22.12 | Jaak_ | for* |
| 22:22.17 | srinooo | Could some body please tell me why this error "/lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/updates/alsa/snd-page-alloc.o: insmod snd-via82xx failed |
| 22:22.17 | srinooo | " is coming up |
| 22:22.31 | Jaak_ | cp this to/there/ |
| 22:22.34 | crg__ | rsync /dir1 /dir2 |
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| 22:22.42 | Jaak_ | oh |
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| 22:22.43 | crg__ | cp not what I want? |
| 22:22.46 | bazan_ | Can sommebody help about how to use magicdev google is'nt very verbose about it |
| 22:22.50 | Jaak_ | ye, i just got it :) |
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| 22:23.00 | tobo | anyone skilled in alsa/xine |
| 22:23.02 | maher | Jaak_: discover is trying to make symlinks for your cdrom - but does not seem to be doing a good job |
| 22:23.06 | crg__ | I just want to make certain of syntax here. |
| 22:23.25 | joaopaulo | nvz, a have opened /etc/nologin and there is a line with the error message, what can i do ? |
| 22:23.30 | maher | crg__: cp -a or cp -r - man cp will tell you |
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| 22:23.40 | crg__ | rsync /dir1 /dir2 does this make /dir2/dir1? |
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| 22:23.58 | crg__ | cp instead of rsync? |
| 22:24.02 | nvz | joaopaulo: man 5 nologin |
| 22:24.05 | joaopaulo | nvz, shit! i just have moved the file nologin and all works |
| 22:24.13 | nvz | joaopaulo: yeah read that manpage |
| 22:24.20 | joaopaulo | nvz, thanks |
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| 22:24.23 | maher | crg__: you probably want rsync dir1/ dir2 |
| 22:24.28 | nvz | joaopaulo: I was just pulling your chain with the "wait music: trying to get you to learn what happened |
| 22:24.41 | crg__ | I want to be sure here. |
| 22:25.11 | maher | crg__: with rsync the slash after the first dir means something different from no slash |
| 22:25.24 | crg__ | I read that confused me. |
| 22:25.34 | joaopaulo | nvz, i was thinking that's a big problem, maybe corrupted fs becase had a black out here |
| 22:25.58 | grendal_prime | how could squidguards porno blacklist NOT have homo.com in it? |
| 22:26.05 | nvz | joaopaulo: nope, just some kind of accident, if you didn't know about 'man 5 nologin' you likely didnt do it intentionally. |
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| 22:26.09 | Kupal[]_ | DELETE FROM location, bars, restauraunts, common_attributes, nightclubs WHERE location.OID='2' AND bars.OID='2' AND restaraunts.OID='2' AND nightclubs.OID='2' AND common_attributes.OID='2' this obviously doesn't work what should i be doing... |
| 22:26.10 | grendal_prime | christomight on a popcycle stick |
| 22:26.11 | Nyle | I just figured who the purifier was in Chronicles of Ridick, it was the same guy who played Prophet Joseph in the Story of Joseph on TNT, man that took me almost a month to figure out |
| 22:26.19 | maher | crg__: so rsync box1:dir box2:dir should make box2:dir/dir - if you don't want it to do that use rsync box1:dir/ box2:dir |
| 22:26.26 | Nyle | and crap |
| 22:26.31 | nvz | joaopaulo: you did something as root, maybe an upgrade and allowed it to start init again could have put that file back |
| 22:26.32 | Nyle | one again, wrong channel window |
| 22:26.33 | Nyle | lol |
| 22:26.34 | Kupal[]_ | i tried del * frm loc l, bar b, where l.OID='1' AND b.OID='2' (summarized) that failed. aswell |
| 22:26.35 | GarySaved | Can anyone help set up Lokkit ? |
| 22:26.41 | Kupal[]_ | woohoo |
| 22:26.41 | Kupal[]_ | :) |
| 22:26.48 | crg__ | Same box two partitions |
| 22:26.49 | Kupal[]_ | Im so good at that.. |
| 22:26.57 | [1]NormAst | Is there a defrag for debian? |
| 22:27.01 | Kupal[]_ | I got all excited.. |
| 22:27.01 | joaopaulo | nvz, hum, ok |
| 22:27.05 | grendal_prime | defrag? |
| 22:27.09 | Sazpaimon | wow, my tv can do 1024x768 quite well |
| 22:27.11 | crg__ | I am wondering now if I should use cp -r instead of rsync |
| 22:27.13 | grendal_prime | are you totally lost dude? |
| 22:27.16 | Nyle | i have wondered, is there a need to 'deframent' a linux file system? |
| 22:27.17 | streuner | [1]NormAst: never needed it... |
| 22:27.21 | [1]NormAst | much like dos.. |
| 22:27.22 | nvz | joaopaulo: I would check your memory usage, and process list and everythink make sure the system is running properly, and you dont have anything else messed up going on |
| 22:27.24 | maher | [1]NormAst: ext2/3 doesn't need defrag |
| 22:27.30 | Nyle | or is it just that microsoft bulshit? |
| 22:27.34 | grendal_prime | did he actually ask that question? |
| 22:27.37 | GarySaved | When I go to run it, it says: 'Details: Failed to execute child process "gnome-lokkit" (No such file or directory)' |
| 22:27.38 | Raf256 | how to check if given domain had expired? is checking changes of `host my.domain.name.com` a good idea? |
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| 22:27.43 | [1]NormAst | maher: They said the about NTFS |
| 22:27.47 | [1]NormAst | the=that |
| 22:27.54 | streuner | GarySaved: backport? |
| 22:27.55 | maher | [1]NormAst: i dunno about ntfs |
| 22:28.12 | Jaak_ | Nyle: i have heared that fragmentation makes linux filesystem even faster? |
| 22:28.14 | grendal_prime | yes ntfs does need defragmenting |
| 22:28.16 | alex_ | a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will update which file ??? |
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| 22:28.20 | Nyle | Jaak_, :) |
| 22:28.21 | Jaak_ | so there isnt really a need for it |
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| 22:28.28 | grendal_prime | cause its a piece of shit |
| 22:28.35 | GarySaved | I do not even know where to start with it. |
| 22:28.39 | streuner | alex_: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 22:28.45 | maher | [1]NormAst: sorry - mis-parsed your sentence - no - you don't need to defrag ext2/3 |
| 22:28.54 | Nyle | grendal_prime, those are opinions and this is a support channel, I suggest you lay off any sarcasm and negative remarks |
| 22:29.04 | grendal_prime | oops |
| 22:29.24 | maher | Nyle: seems like a fair description of ntfs to me |
| 22:29.27 | grendal_prime | i find that ntfs does not satisfy my needs as a system administrator |
| 22:29.40 | [1]NormAst | Okay.. Installing Sarge using VMware on a windows box... :) |
| 22:29.45 | aum | hi - i'm getting a hurricane of spam at the moment - one msg every 4 secs to my exim MTA - all messages are 'delivery notification failure' type spams - all different IPs - suggestions please |
| 22:29.46 | Nyle | maher, that may be the case :) still, disrespect = showing your own maturity level |
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| 22:29.52 | Nyle | no matter how strongly you feel on the subject |
| 22:29.53 | grendal_prime | its expensive, and performs poorly durring bench testing |
| 22:29.58 | maher | Nyle: i am very immature - it shows... |
| 22:30.05 | alex_ | streuner: well, I have deleted this file or instead mv it but when dpkg-reconfiguring, the old setting are still there and moreover, the new change are not taken recorded, there is no XF86Config-4 created, what is going on ??? how can I now what is wrong ? |
| 22:30.06 | Nyle | I wasn't implying that |
| 22:30.12 | Nyle | but assume what you will |
| 22:30.34 | GarySaved | I need to set up a firewall from Gnome. |
| 22:30.52 | crg__ | What do you call the gnome file manager? |
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| 22:30.58 | crg__ | I dont seem to have one. |
| 22:31.01 | grendal_prime | also ntfs seems to need defragmenting quite regularly |
| 22:31.19 | helloyo | crg__, natutilus |
| 22:31.21 | streuner | alex_: say to all questions yes, if it ask for 'Write DRI' 'Use debconf to write'. |
| 22:31.23 | Nyle | although it is a shame that microsoft has led its customers believe that thier technologies are actually worth it |
| 22:31.29 | helloyo | crg__, wait, nautilus |
| 22:31.47 | Nyle | +to |
| 22:31.54 | grendal_prime | its worth it i guess...keeps me in business |
| 22:31.57 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 22:32.00 | Nyle | true |
| 22:32.00 | NormAst | Is there a way to see how much memory the Kernel is using? Free -m ??? |
| 22:32.04 | goose | MS bashing = cool |
| 22:32.08 | Nyle | a secure job market I suppose, but still... |
| 22:32.21 | Nyle | goose, it is well deserved don't you think |
| 22:32.28 | goose | waste of our time i think |
| 22:32.32 | Nyle | people wouldn't bash on MS if they had no ground to basn on |
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| 22:32.39 | BucWheat | hello all |
| 22:32.48 | Nyle | I am not, once agian, but assume what you want |
| 22:32.56 | BucWheat | how do i set the timezone on my box ? i have no GUI only console |
| 22:33.08 | streuner | BucWheat: tzconfig |
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| 22:33.26 | grendal_prime | I have to laugh i was on the phone with an ms tech one day...trying to weed through a liscensing issue...finally the guy says..."well, if thats how you think it should work you should just go buy a copy of linux and work it out yourself" |
| 22:33.31 | grendal_prime | so i did |
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| 22:33.40 | Nyle | lol |
| 22:33.49 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:33.59 | grendal_prime | have not build another ms box since |
| 22:34.04 | sphenxes | lol@grendal_prime |
| 22:34.13 | Nyle | the other day Cisco tech support(levels 1,2 and 3) told me that they cannot help me because I don't run XP |
| 22:34.13 | grendal_prime | it is funny aint it |
| 22:34.22 | BucWheat | streuner it says my time is now Tue Dec 28 03:11:39 CST 2004 and that is incorrect |
| 22:34.26 | Nyle | I was like you morons, just pretend I have xp and.. fuckit, never mind |
| 22:34.29 | BucWheat | streuner i just changed tz to Central |
| 22:34.32 | Nyle | they are mostly idiots |
| 22:34.33 | crg__ | What if I have /here/there/file and I want to copy that to /where to make /where/here/there/file? |
| 22:34.36 | maher | BucWheat: try date |
| 22:34.36 | BucWheat | streuner how can i fix the date/time ? |
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| 22:34.43 | crg__ | What is best way? |
| 22:34.45 | Nyle | BucWheat, man date |
| 22:34.50 | BucWheat | maher same thing |
| 22:34.51 | Nyle | perhaps, or ntpdate |
| 22:34.56 | maher | BucWheat: man date |
| 22:34.57 | streuner | BucWheat: apt-get install nptdate |
| 22:35.02 | streuner | BucWheat: apt-get install ntptdate |
| 22:35.04 | BucWheat | Nyle no inet connection :( |
| 22:35.06 | BucWheat | hehe |
| 22:35.09 | grendal_prime | i had a router problem like that...so i build a box that uses iptables to handle routing |
| 22:35.10 | alex_ | streuner: I have redone the configuration and I have not been given the choice to chose debconf for writting the file |
| 22:35.10 | Nyle | then man date and read it |
| 22:35.14 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 22:35.21 | maher | BucWheat: installing ntpdate is a good idea |
| 22:35.30 | Nyle | maher, he has no inet conenction |
| 22:35.31 | grendal_prime | we got rid of all the other routers now..we have hp switches and linux routers |
| 22:35.40 | crg__ | Anyone have opinion on cp versus rsync? |
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| 22:36.08 | grendal_prime | seriously how could a block list not have homo.com in it |
| 22:36.11 | grendal_prime | it amazes me |
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| 22:37.47 | alex_ | streuner: can you help me ? |
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| 22:37.53 | BucWheat | thanks all |
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| 22:38.09 | streuner | alex_: didn't it write the file?# |
| 22:38.14 | alex_ | nop |
| 22:38.17 | goose | iptables is confusing |
| 22:38.23 | alex_ | streuner: nop |
| 22:38.30 | alex_ | streuner: I am root tho |
| 22:38.33 | streuner | alex_: try touch the file and run the command again |
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| 22:38.41 | helloyo | how do you start samba in debian? |
| 22:38.46 | alex_ | streuner: done that, I have even deleted it |
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| 22:38.56 | streuner | helloyo: /etc/init.d/samba start? |
| 22:39.03 | EdibleText | helloyo, /etc/init.d/samba start |
| 22:39.03 | helloyo | thanks |
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| 22:39.19 | crg__ | What if I use nautilus? |
| 22:39.19 | bazan_ | how do you start magicdev?? |
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| 22:39.45 | Jaxalot | Yes, CRG, what IF you use Nautilus? |
| 22:39.54 | Jaak_ | phew, got rid of the /media/cdrom0 foo |
| 22:40.00 | crg__ | I mounted /partition using root. How to change permissions so user can copy to it? |
| 22:40.04 | alex_ | streuner: what else can I do ? |
| 22:40.10 | EdibleText | crg__, they are different tools, better suited for different tasks |
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| 22:40.20 | Jaak_ | all i had to do was purge old discover and install discover2 |
| 22:40.23 | Jaak_ | or something |
| 22:40.29 | Jaak_ | anyways |
| 22:40.32 | Jaak_ | thanks again :) |
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| 22:41.04 | streuner | alex_: if there isn't a /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 debconf write the file again. |
| 22:41.22 | alex_ | debconf ? |
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| 22:41.50 | streuner | !debconf |
| 22:41.50 | dpkg | somebody said debconf was Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. <http://auric.debian.org/~joeyh/debconf-stats/> |
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| 22:42.10 | Carcajou | Hello |
| 22:42.13 | streuner | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:42.44 | Gujiz | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 15 not upgraded. <-- apt-get whines that how can i get those packages installed too ? :P |
| 22:42.56 | streuner | apt-get install foo? |
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| 22:43.27 | Banana | Gujiz: did you dist-upgrade ? |
| 22:43.32 | Gujiz | yeah |
| 22:43.39 | streuner | Gujiz: apt-get is very friendly to you, it asks you should some packages with NEW libs installed or not... |
| 22:43.45 | fubar | hey where can i find a listing of what's in each of the debian3.0 iso's?? |
| 22:44.01 | alex_ | streuner: I know what debconf is but I did not understand your last sentence, if you advised me to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again, then I have done this already, first it has my last settings as default values (which I don't understand since I have not got the file anymore) |
| 22:44.07 | streuner | fubar: /msg dpkg contents woody |
| 22:44.11 | alex_ | second it does not write the file anyway |
| 22:44.28 | streuner | !listkeys contents |
| 22:44.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'contents' by key (1 shown): cd contents. |
| 22:44.36 | streuner | !cd contents |
| 22:44.36 | dpkg | i heard cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
| 22:44.53 | maher | alex_: it has the last settings cos debconf remembers them |
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| 22:45.33 | alex_ | maher: streuner: ok but then it did not write the file again |
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| 22:46.00 | streuner | alex_: create it with 'touch' |
| 22:46.14 | streuner | alex_: touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 22:46.18 | crg__ | I ran the command chmod a+w /partition and nautilus still wont paste to it? |
| 22:46.20 | speel | hey i have a question .. im about to install debian via netinstall and i was wondering if debian is already set to automount devices and what not |
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| 22:46.31 | streuner | alex_: and answer every question with 'yes' |
| 22:46.34 | Carcajou | speel: I did that a few days ago |
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| 22:46.46 | Carcajou | And no automount doesn't seem to be set |
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| 22:47.01 | speel | hmm ok thanks man :) |
| 22:47.15 | speel | i think il just stick to ubuntu |
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| 22:47.39 | Carcajou | But this is not a hard thing to do, as you'll get all the required help on Internet |
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| 22:47.51 | Carcajou | I'm a nOO and almost got to get it workin' |
| 22:47.56 | Carcajou | nOOB |
| 22:48.03 | streuner | !n00b |
| 22:48.03 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 22:48.04 | Carcajou | :O) |
| 22:48.15 | speel | lol |
| 22:48.17 | Banana | :) |
| 22:48.22 | speel | did the netinstall go smooth tho? |
| 22:48.28 | crg__ | Anyone know how to make a partition writable for a user? |
| 22:48.40 | factotum | umask |
| 22:48.40 | Banana | crg__: what type of filesystem ? |
| 22:48.45 | crg__ | windows |
| 22:48.50 | Banana | fat32 ? |
| 22:48.59 | crg__ | win98 |
| 22:49.01 | fubar | !cd woody |
| 22:49.03 | fubar | wtf |
| 22:49.12 | streuner | !cd contents |
| 22:49.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
| 22:49.23 | Carcajou | speel: Yes it did |
| 22:49.34 | crg__ | I ran chmod 777 /win with no effect. |
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| 22:49.38 | speel | ok |
| 22:49.40 | speel | thanks |
| 22:49.44 | Carcajou | crg__: I guess you ahve to use the rw option |
| 22:49.48 | N2O | hi all |
| 22:49.48 | Banana | either let the user mount the partition itself (putting user, in option line in fstab ) or put uid=myuser,gid=myuser in fstab |
| 22:49.49 | fubar | is there a more readable version of the contents of those cds?? |
| 22:49.49 | Carcajou | In file /etc/fstab |
| 22:49.58 | mxn | Hi. I've installed ALSA. It loads fine but there's no sound. I've scoured WIKIs/FAQs but no luck. (SiS/AC'97/Intel i810 onboard.) Any ideas? |
| 22:50.01 | Banana | crg__: either let the user mount the partition itself (putting user, in option line in fstab ) or put uid=myuser,gid=myuser in fstab |
| 22:50.04 | Banana | (sorry). |
| 22:50.07 | crg__ | I also ran a+w with no effect. |
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| 22:50.21 | Banana | crg__: no it's an option you have to pass to "mount". |
| 22:50.37 | Carcajou | It's an option you have to set in /etc/fstab |
| 22:50.37 | N2O | could someone help me please ? |
| 22:50.38 | crg__ | OH OK. Thanks |
| 22:50.50 | Carcajou | N2O: Feel free to ask |
| 22:51.00 | Carcajou | No guarantee though :O) |
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| 22:51.10 | alex_ | streuner: nop I have answered YES to all question that gave me the choice and it did not write the file XFConfig-4 |
| 22:51.12 | N2O | I have juste download a debian sid iso |
| 22:51.16 | fubar | does anyone know where i can find a _readable_ listing of the stuff on the debian3.0 cds? |
| 22:51.30 | N2O | and i have a problem during the installation process |
| 22:51.32 | streuner | alex_: well, you are out of luck then. |
| 22:51.40 | Gujiz | anyone know cpanel ? is that free for home-users, or should all pay for using that ? |
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| 22:51.52 | Carcajou | N2O: What kinda problem ? |
| 22:51.54 | streuner | alex_: what do you think, you should run debian without X now? |
| 22:51.58 | N2O | it's written that no kernel module was detected |
| 22:52.09 | alex_ | streuner: I don't know what to think |
| 22:52.12 | jstevens | alex_: that's cause it writes an XFConfig file... not the XFConfig-4 |
| 22:52.36 | alex_ | jstevens: the problem is that it does not write anything |
| 22:52.38 | empathy | greetings. i need some help please. i am trying to create an environment where i can cross compile with older libs on a modern debian system. i am targetting compiling with Glibc 2.1 and GCC 2.7.2. |
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| 22:53.20 | alex_ | all XF86* have been moved away from /etc/X11, to test |
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| 22:53.34 | Carcajou | N2O: Sorry, I'm no match for such a problem, I can't help |
| 22:53.35 | alex_ | this is unbelievable |
| 22:53.42 | alex_ | what else could I do now ? |
| 22:53.54 | alex_ | what is the channel for the xserver ? |
| 22:54.05 | streuner | alex_: what other stuff you have installed now, GNOME or KDE? |
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| 22:54.08 | jstevens | alex_: umm... if that's actaully the case, then I dont' know what to tell you... I know that in my sid install the xf86config wrote an XF86Config |
| 22:54.13 | Banana | alex_: i have the answer. |
| 22:54.14 | N2O | Carcajou: ok thanks |
| 22:54.22 | Banana | alex_: behold !!! |
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| 22:54.38 | cafuego | 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' or if you're really desperate, 'X -configure' - NO sane human uses xf86config |
| 22:54.46 | Banana | it's because you modified the file by hand. |
| 22:55.02 | Banana | so debconf doesn't write further modification. |
| 22:55.12 | streuner | alex_: yeah, cafuego is right, X -configure write the file too... |
| 22:55.15 | cafuego | If, as Banana says, it won't update the file now, why not READ the tops ection of the file with 'less' |
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| 22:55.51 | mxn | Hi. I've installed ALSA. It loads fine but there's no sound. I've scoured WIKIs/FAQs but no luck. (SiS/AC'97/Intel i810 onboard.) Any ideas? |
| 22:55.55 | streuner | cafuego: he said, it wrote nothing at all... |
| 22:55.59 | crg__ | so the command is mount uid=user /win? |
| 22:56.07 | alex_ | streuner: thanks |
| 22:56.08 | cafuego | streuner: I didn't scroll back that far. |
| 22:56.16 | alex_ | cafuego: thanks |
| 22:56.17 | crg__ | mount uid=crg__ /win? |
| 22:56.28 | cafuego | streuner: The file itself contains full instructionsa anyway. |
| 22:56.34 | Banana | crg__: mount -o uid=user .... |
| 22:56.39 | streuner | alex_: see if the filesystem is in read-only |
| 22:56.45 | cafuego | crg__: No, uid=1000,gid=100 |
| 22:56.48 | mikkele | mxn: did you unmute the channels and turn up the volume with alsamixer or equivalent? |
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| 22:57.04 | N2O | Someone else for my problem ? |
| 22:57.08 | crg__ | which is it? |
| 22:57.16 | thulben | anybody know why my sudo doesn't require me to enter my password? there's no "NOPASSWD" in my /etc/sudoers file... |
| 22:57.26 | clem | i'd say mount -o umask=000 |
| 22:57.27 | streuner | alex_: does 'touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' write something? |
| 22:57.32 | mxn | mikkele: I don't believe it. I had all the channels turned up and unmuted. But I turn one up a click or two more and suddenly...sound. |
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| 22:58.00 | alex_ | streuner: good idea |
| 22:58.03 | mikkele | thulben: also the first time? by default it aurhorizes your for 15 minutes iirc |
| 22:58.15 | empathy | greetings. i need some help please. i am trying to create an environment where i can cross compile with older libs on a modern debian system. i am targetting compiling with Glibc 2.1 and GCC 2.7.2. |
| 22:58.26 | crg__ | Are any of these commands dangerous? |
| 22:58.38 | mxn | mikkele: Strangely, volume control doesn't actually work. It's on or off. This is the problem I had with OSS, and the reason I was trying ALSA. |
| 22:58.42 | crg__ | Dont want to screw up the works here. |
| 22:58.51 | thulben | mikkele: yes, even the first time |
| 22:58.54 | N2O | crg__: I've just download a debian sid iso and during the installation process, it's said that no kernel module was found :'( |
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| 22:59.05 | mikkele | mxn: hmm I dont know why, sorry |
| 22:59.11 | cafuego | N2O: No kernel module for what? |
| 22:59.11 | thulben | I even go so far as to do "sudo -k" to invalidate the last used time |
| 22:59.14 | mxn | mikkele: NP. ;-) |
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| 22:59.36 | Banana | crg__: put this line in your fstab : /dev/yourdevice /mnt/mountpoint vfat default,rw,uid=foo,gid=foo 0 0 |
| 22:59.41 | cafuego | N2O: Serves you right for using a Sid (UNSTABLE!!!!) iso I suppose. |
| 22:59.49 | Banana | crg__: then mount the partition as root. |
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| 23:00.04 | Banana | then go back to user foo and see if you can write on it. |
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| 23:00.34 | lunaphyte | any ideas as to why rsync might be successfully transferring a file, but complaining it doesn't exist when attempting to chown it? |
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| 23:00.50 | cafuego | lunaphyte: dry-run is enabled? |
| 23:01.08 | thulben | :( |
| 23:01.12 | lunaphyte | cafuego: no |
| 23:01.14 | N2O | cafuego: after the hardware detect process |
| 23:01.17 | CSWookie | cafuego: I've always ound sid to be quite stable... Of course, I've never installed directly from it. I always install a minimal woody potato or sarge, then dist-upgrade. |
| 23:01.29 | cafuego | N2O: Yes, but THAT does it need a module for? |
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| 23:01.34 | alex_ | streuner: nope it is writable |
| 23:01.43 | cafuego | CSWookie: Yes, sane people do that. |
| 23:01.55 | lunaphyte | cafuego: i'm using 'rsync -e ssh -vvzlrRptog' |
| 23:01.58 | Nyle | hehe, first time i used linux, i used xf86config |
| 23:01.59 | cafuego | N2O: it says a module is not found. Why does it need a module? WHat for? |
| 23:02.04 | streuner | alex_: ok, go the 'hard' way then, /msg dpkg reinstall X |
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| 23:02.53 | cafuego | N2O: If you can't tell me that, you should _not_ be using Sid. |
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| 23:03.17 | crg__ | I'm going to pull out my running linux book and read about umask. |
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| 23:03.28 | cafuego | crg__: 'man umask' ;-) |
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| 23:03.44 | N2O | cafuego: in fact, as no kernel module was detected, i can't continue the install process |
| 23:03.46 | FLD | how i can chown /tavaraa/torrent for user fld and group fld |
| 23:03.48 | lunaphyte | cafuego: if i tell rsync to 'resolve' symlinks, it works. |
| 23:03.57 | FLD | it has somekind of bug |
| 23:03.59 | cafuego | !lart N2O |
| 23:04.04 | Carcajou | N2O: Maybe you should try using a knoppix LiveCD so that you could get used to Debian systems, then give it a REAL shot ?? |
| 23:04.05 | CSWookie | How hard would it be to make an install cd? I think it might be nice to have one that had ndiswrapper modules, so that people with windows wireless cards don't have to download the source and compile. Where by "people" I mean "me." |
| 23:04.09 | FLD | becose chown -R fld fld /tavaraa/torrent does not work |
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| 23:04.15 | FLD | and manual says it should work |
| 23:04.17 | cafuego | N2O: Sid is debian _unstable_ |
| 23:04.24 | ChrysalisM | chown fld.fld file |
| 23:04.25 | maher | N2O: don't bother with sid iso's - install stable or testing |
| 23:04.26 | cafuego | N2O: Don't use it. Just. Do. Not. |
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| 23:04.49 | cafuego | N2O: *especially* if you need help with them but are unable to articulate any sensible info about the problem. |
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| 23:05.06 | N2O | cafuego: yes i know but before i used stable iso and i upgrade to sid next |
| 23:05.16 | maher | N2O: indeed |
| 23:05.17 | cafuego | N2O: No, you shouldn't use sid AT ALL |
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| 23:05.26 | cafuego | N2O: Since you seem to not be able to fix problems. |
| 23:05.32 | cafuego | N2O: Use Sarge (testing) instead. |
| 23:05.33 | N2O | cafuego: i'm french and i'm not very good in english |
| 23:05.33 | zyro2 | hi! i can't make gnupg assign several mail addresses to one key anymore. is this deprecated or am i just making a mistake? |
| 23:05.44 | N2O | so it's difficult for me to explain my problem |
| 23:05.48 | cafuego | zyro2: You should be able to add emails, yes. |
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| 23:06.00 | streuner | alex_: /msg dpkg remove xf4, /msg dpkg setup x |
| 23:06.06 | cafuego | N2O: Yes, this meansd you shouldn't use Sid. it *will* have more problems. |
| 23:06.09 | zyro2 | cafuego: at generation time or only later on? if later, do you happen to know the command? |
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| 23:06.31 | cafuego | zyro2: Later on too, lemme check |
| 23:06.51 | streuner | alex_: i hope you haven't clean the cache... |
| 23:06.57 | zyro2 | (have to have my key ready tomorrow at the ccc meeting.) |
| 23:07.12 | AdrianLP | Has anyone tried a Samsung ML-1740 laser printer under Debian? The Linux HCL doesn't list it, but the manufacturer does provide drivers, and every other Samsung on the HCL has a "works perfectly" functionality. |
| 23:07.13 | Banana | N2O: which install cd are you using ? |
| 23:07.15 | cafuego | zyro2: adduid |
| 23:07.25 | cafuego | zyro2: gpg --edit-key <keyid> |
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| 23:07.33 | zyro2 | thank you very much! |
| 23:07.51 | zyro2 | good night (to the europeans at least)! |
| 23:07.56 | Banana | N2O: woody or testing ? (or slink maybe :o) ?) |
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| 23:08.00 | cafuego | zyro2: Yes, good morning. |
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| 23:08.12 | cafuego | Banana: He claims he's got a Sid CD. |
| 23:08.14 | N2O | Banana: sid |
| 23:08.15 | AdrianLP | ...I just don't want to pay $200 if it doesn't work brilliantly. |
| 23:08.24 | Banana | N2O: arf... |
| 23:08.26 | Banana | c'est pas bien ça. |
| 23:08.31 | cafuego | Banana: But can't tell me WHAT module can't be found, so shouldn't be using Sid. Ever. |
| 23:08.48 | cafuego | AdrianLP: Have a google for the model and cups. |
| 23:08.56 | budluva | what module would i load for this nic 3Com Corporation 3c900B-TPO Etherlink XL [Cyclone] (rev 04) |
| 23:08.56 | budluva | ? |
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| 23:09.04 | Banana | N2O: you should use the sarge installer. |
| 23:09.06 | AdrianLP | cafuego: Ok. |
| 23:09.28 | N2O | oki thanks all |
| 23:09.40 | cafuego | budluva: 3c59x |
| 23:10.02 | budluva | modprobe 3c59x && echo "3c59x" >> /etc/modules |
| 23:10.03 | budluva | ? |
| 23:10.09 | cafuego | budluva: Yeah |
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| 23:10.55 | cafuego | AdrianLP: I did that with my Canon inkjet and though it's not listed as supported (at all) drivers for another model work fine with it. |
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| 23:11.45 | alex_ | okay, the X -configure output a file that is generic, the resolution is 800x600, I have tried to reconfigure it with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but still this one does not update the file |
| 23:11.59 | AdrianLP | cafuego: I found someone on google suggesting the manufacturer's drivers work perfectly well with Cups and Samba. I thought Cups provided its own drivers? |
| 23:12.15 | streuner | alex_: /msg dpkg remove xf4, /msg dpkg setup x |
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| 23:12.33 | cafuego | AdrianLP: CUPS can also have external drivers added. If you install cups and then copy the manufacturers drives into the drivers dir, you should be fine. |
| 23:12.44 | GarySaved | I just installed the Java package from Sun. How do I get Gaelon to use it? |
| 23:12.53 | streuner | alex_: you did something really stupid..., just remove X and reinstall it new. |
| 23:13.14 | cafuego | alex_: Did you just completely ignore the md5sum comments in the top of your original XF86Config-4 file? |
| 23:13.26 | theSelkie | where would i got to find help with a sarge install that went perfectly well, but doesn't boot now? (hangs after synaptics touchpad was found) |
| 23:13.33 | streuner | !md5sum |
| 23:13.33 | dpkg | [md5sum] find / -type f -perm +0100 -not -path "/home/*" | xargs md5sum > sums, or see http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1321.html, or contained in package textutils |
| 23:13.36 | AdrianLP | cafuego: Why use cups at all if you have manufacturer drivers? What further functionality does Cups provide? |
| 23:13.37 | streuner | !md5sum x |
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| 23:13.50 | streuner | !listkeys md5sum |
| 23:13.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'md5sum' by key (2 shown): x md5sum ;; md5sum. |
| 23:13.56 | alex_ | streuner: nop it came installed with my dist |
| 23:14.01 | maher | theSelkie: did you install from cd |
| 23:14.06 | cafuego | AdrianLP: The drivers are just that: drivers. CUPS is a whole printing system (so that your apps can USE the drivers) |
| 23:14.09 | simonrvn | AdrianLP: because the cups drivers are often better |
| 23:14.10 | alex_ | streuner: should I do a apt-get remove x ? |
| 23:14.18 | cafuego | !listvals md5sum |
| 23:14.18 | GarySaved | I have Java enabled on the browser. |
| 23:14.20 | streuner | alex_: what distro do you use? |
| 23:14.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'md5sum' by value (5 shown): troubleshooting x ;; md5sum ;; verisign ;; x md5 ;; x md5sum. |
| 23:14.21 | AdrianLP | cafuego: I see. |
| 23:14.25 | simonrvn | uh oh, libc6 upgrade |
| 23:14.26 | cafuego | !x md5 |
| 23:14.26 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 23:14.27 | theSelkie | maher: dvd built by jigido |
| 23:14.40 | streuner | simonrvn: any experience so far :-/ |
| 23:14.53 | alex_ | streuner: demudi |
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| 23:15.00 | maher | theSelkie: can you boot off it and use it as a rescue disc? |
| 23:15.04 | simonrvn | libc6-dev 2.3.2.ds1-20 |
| 23:15.09 | cafuego | AdrianLP: ... and it'll allow you to share the printer with other machines (linux/macos/windows) etc. |
| 23:15.11 | streuner | yeah, i know |
| 23:15.33 | theSelkie | maher: probably, but i have no idea what to do ... ui guess chrooting into the installed sys, but then? |
| 23:15.34 | simonrvn | we'll see if stuff starts to crash ;) |
| 23:15.35 | cafuego | simonrvn: On sarge? Wheee! |
| 23:15.39 | simonrvn | sid |
| 23:15.53 | cafuego | Ah, maybe tomorrow here then. |
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| 23:16.11 | streuner | -dpkg doesn't have it in db yet |
| 23:16.13 | cafuego | ii libc6-dev 2.3.2.ds1-19.0.0.2.pure6 |
| 23:16.22 | maher | theSelkie: yeah - chroot and try a different kernel - if you think its hanging on a particular module you don't need you could just try removing the module |
| 23:16.23 | streuner | pure6? |
| 23:16.34 | cafuego | the 4 dropped off |
| 23:17.01 | theSelkie | maher: k, will try that, thx so far, if i come bakc with non-mIRC i had success ;) |
| 23:17.21 | Paco | i had a question about mozilla...when i type in 'mozilla &,' it shows '[1] 2416." and then, when i type in a search term, mozilla exits. can anyone help me? |
| 23:17.23 | cafuego | which reminds me, I have a 2 year old sarge install with 2.4.21 kernel to fix |
| 23:17.51 | cafuego | If that Radeon7500 M works without a hitch in X I'll be doing some killing of radeon users. |
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| 23:18.50 | sussudio | in soviet russia, radeon users kill you |
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| 23:20.07 | budluva | can someone help me with a problem, how do i find out if my eth2 is working properly? |
| 23:20.29 | BaAlBeRiTh | Hi |
| 23:20.37 | cafuego | budluva: 'ifconfig eth2' - check if it exists and has an IP assigned |
| 23:20.44 | budluva | yes |
| 23:20.58 | cafuego | then it undoubtedly works (unless you're firewalling it) |
| 23:21.12 | budluva | i've assigned it to 192.168.1.1 and have my buddies laptop configured for ip 192.168.1.2 with gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:21.21 | Paco | can anyone help me with a mozilla problem? it exits after i enter a search term. |
| 23:21.23 | cafuego | budluva: Using a crossover cable? |
| 23:21.31 | budluva | cafuego i've disabled the firewall on the laptop if thats what you mean |
| 23:21.33 | budluva | yeah |
| 23:21.39 | Nyle | Paca, we can't help if we don't know the error |
| 23:21.39 | cafuego | budluva: And the firewall on Linux? |
| 23:21.43 | streuner | cafuego: alex_ did rm or mv some files in /etc/X11 as well... |
| 23:21.48 | Nyle | Paco, * |
| 23:22.01 | budluva | cafuego im using ipmasq, oh, maybe i should restart ipmasq :P |
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| 23:22.07 | Paco | it says: [1]+ Exit 1 mozilla |
| 23:22.11 | cafuego | streuner: He said he moved them *all* so he didn't overwrite them. I don't see why he can't move them back, then reconfigure X. |
| 23:22.30 | Nyle | Paco, i don't know I don't use mozilla |
| 23:22.35 | cafuego | budluva: Just make sure it knows about eth2 and is set to allow forwarding. |
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| 23:22.49 | streuner | cafuego: iam either, but demudi goes its own ways |
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| 23:22.52 | Paco | nyle what do u use? |
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| 23:22.57 | streuner | cafuego: maybe* |
| 23:22.59 | Nyle | Paco, firefox/dillo/links2 |
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| 23:23.35 | budluva | cafuego ok, after i restarted ipmasq, i was able to ping the laptop, but no internet access |
| 23:23.38 | Paco | perhaps, is hould install that? do i type "apt-get install firefox/dillo/links2"? |
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| 23:24.19 | Nyle | Paco, apt-cache search firefox | apt-get install firefox | apt-get install dillo | man apt | man apt-get - read read read and read |
| 23:24.26 | cafuego | budluva: Check /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 23:24.38 | Nyle | apt-get install mozilla-firefox* |
| 23:24.43 | Nyle | typo* sorry |
| 23:24.45 | simonrvn | Paco: no. you can do the search then do apt-get install foo bar baz however |
| 23:24.49 | budluva | cafuego ip_forward is enabled |
| 23:25.09 | streuner | budluva: ping should always work, if the route works or not, its a pure cable-thingie |
| 23:25.15 | simonrvn | Nyle: you *can* put more than one package on the CL you know =) |
| 23:25.15 | budluva | streuner ok |
| 23:25.20 | Nyle | simonm, I know |
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| 23:25.45 | Nyle | i was telling him different things to check out, trying not to confuse him as much as possible |
| 23:25.47 | budluva | budluva so its something to do with my ip routing? |
| 23:25.50 | Nyle | sorry |
| 23:25.55 | Nyle | i can't type worth shit today |
| 23:25.56 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 23:26.21 | cafuego | xver: too late |
| 23:26.23 | streuner | xver: we are preparing us for the new year :-) |
| 23:26.23 | caosmental | hi all |
| 23:26.24 | Empty | Hey, what provides glibc? I guess it's deprecated or something?? |
| 23:26.36 | sussudio | Empty: libglibc? |
| 23:26.40 | xver | lol |
| 23:26.42 | streuner | Empty: libc6? |
| 23:26.53 | xver | ok happy new year |
| 23:26.55 | Empty | streuner: thanks, dpkg agrees |
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| 23:27.02 | Empty | Shoulda asked it first sorry :) |
| 23:27.18 | Empty | sussudio, tried that, and glibc... got funny apt messages |
| 23:27.18 | caosmental | there was a program that given a date it would list some historical facts and holidays and stuff like that about that day. But i cant remember the name of that program.. anyone knows ? |
| 23:27.32 | empathy | hi everyone. i could use some help please. i wish to cross compile with older versions of libc and gcc on a modern debian box. the versions i am targetting are glibc 2.1 and gcc 2.7.2. can anyone help mem with this? |
| 23:27.53 | cafuego | empathy: Set up a chroot with the old libs & compiler; compile in that. |
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| 23:28.17 | budluva | cafuego so how do i get this laptop working with my network? i've double checked my /etc/network/interfaces and ifconfig shows an ip address and its sending tx and recieving rx |
| 23:28.20 | empathy | cafuego, can you refer me to a document or information that would assist me in doing that? |
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| 23:28.25 | MobyTurbo | caosmental: there was some sort of MS-DOS program that could do that popular on BBSs, you could run it in dosemu or dosbox. |
| 23:28.34 | cafuego | empathy: google for chroot :-) |
| 23:28.36 | kyncani | caosmental: how about pal (just apt-cache for it ;) |
| 23:29.03 | empathy | cafuego, i was referring more to obtaining the proper gcc and libs. i've done some searching and haven't necesarily found what i think i need. |
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| 23:29.15 | caosmental | kyncani, thats the one (i think).. thanks ! :D |
| 23:29.24 | cafuego | empathy: archive.debian.org or somesuch should be able to get you those libs. |
| 23:29.33 | cafuego | empathy: Alternatively, snapshot.debian.net |
| 23:29.50 | Paco | (Nyle): it says: "firefox-bin:2425: Gtk-WARNING cannot open display |
| 23:29.52 | kyncani | caosmental: if in doubt, apt-cache for it :) |
| 23:30.02 | empathy | cafuego, do you know if i install the older libs.. if it will break modern packages or system? |
| 23:30.03 | Empty | Paco: run it as the user you are logged in as |
| 23:30.25 | cafuego | empathy: *not* if you do it in a chrooted woody install (those libs are for woody, right?) |
| 23:30.34 | Empty | paco, or were you quoting Nyle? |
| 23:30.41 | simonrvn | Paco: don't run it as root |
| 23:31.29 | empathy | cafuego, yes - woody |
| 23:32.01 | empathy | cafuego, i thought i recalled seeing a debian package which installs the old libs and gcc in a non-threatening manner - but i can't locate it :( |
| 23:32.04 | Nyle | Paco, you cannot run x programs as root |
| 23:32.05 | caosmental | kyncani, yeah thats the one i was looking for, thanks. :-) |
| 23:32.20 | Nyle | oh too late |
| 23:32.26 | streuner | Nyle: heh? |
| 23:32.26 | Nyle | i was getting groceries out the car |
| 23:32.27 | Nyle | hehe |
| 23:32.28 | cafuego | empathy: Well, if you use a chroot you effectively do a 'dpkg -x foo.deb /some/dir/somewhere' |
| 23:32.35 | Nyle | i jsut got backn on the pc |
| 23:32.35 | streuner | Nyle: of course you can |
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| 23:32.42 | dafresh | hi, i cant find a pid process in /var/run, where can i finf it ? |
| 23:32.47 | Nyle | well yeh, but nevermind |
| 23:32.48 | Nyle | heh |
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| 23:33.12 | Nyle | i know you can, but i know you can't, i can't express myself atm |
| 23:33.22 | Empty | Gah!: ./check_smtp ./check_smtp: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by ./check_smtp), despite the fact that libc6 is installed and that /lib/libc.so.6 is a symlink to it |
| 23:33.25 | empathy | cafuego, out of ignorance, why wouldn't one simply use dpkg -x then and then point the compiling code to the proper libs and gcc? |
| 23:33.47 | Nyle | I do would like to know, why you can't run certian programs as root, you get the display error, while some programs you can? I never could figure that out |
| 23:33.52 | cafuego | 'Need to get 109MB of archives. After unpacking 109MB will be used.' |
| 23:33.55 | streuner | Empty: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say (version)? |
| 23:33.57 | cafuego | I think that's special. |
| 23:34.04 | budluva | after i restart ipmasq, my connections through my nics would work properly with the internet correct? |
| 23:34.07 | CosmoDad | is there a daily/weekly/etc DVD(!)-iso snapshot of debian sarge available somewhere? |
| 23:34.12 | zignig | cafuego: no compression... :) |
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| 23:34.21 | Empty | oh crap |
| 23:34.25 | Empty | <---moron today |
| 23:34.33 | Nyle | heh, yer not the only one |
| 23:34.35 | Empty | well then |
| 23:34.46 | Empty | (it's 2.2.5 FWIW) |
| 23:34.47 | Nyle | i have been having brain farts all day |
| 23:35.04 | Empty | looks like I get to rewrite the nagios plugin for check_smtp |
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| 23:35.08 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:35.26 | Brendon_ | hi all, i just install kernel 2.6.10 and sound only works as root. I think i had to add alsa as a user or add the regular users to alsa. Not sure which i had to do. Please help, thanks. |
| 23:35.33 | streuner | cafuego: you have a version that's prolly more woody then sarge ATM ;-) |
| 23:35.38 | cafuego | that's how old this install it |
| 23:35.43 | Nyle | Brendon_, add your users to the audio group |
| 23:35.47 | cafuego | streuner: Nono, it has XF4.2 |
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| 23:36.13 | Brendon_ | Nyle, thanks thats it. Forgot which one i had to do. Thanks again |
| 23:36.19 | empathy | cafuego, could compiling work if i download and extract the libs/gcc to a user directory and then compile against that? |
| 23:36.31 | streuner | Empty: what command did you use? |
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| 23:37.02 | cafuego | empathy: Obnly if you compiled with special flags to the linker; otherwise it would use the liobs from /lib |
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| 23:38.30 | empathy | cafuego, and/or i could use environment variables to accomplish it, too, correct? e.g. GCC= and LD_PRELOAD, etc. |
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| 23:39.05 | streuner | Someone did use the new version of xine ? :-) |
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| 23:39.16 | streuner | xmas gift... |
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| 23:39.50 | davis | hello |
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| 23:40.09 | leOn | this f*cking morons ... would you believe adaptec only releases a binary driver for hostraid for the 2.4.18 kernel of redhat ... ? |
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| 23:40.38 | leOn | s/this/these/ |
| 23:40.40 | empathy | cafuego, thanks for the help |
| 23:40.40 | caosmental | leOn, that sucks :( |
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| 23:41.03 | davis | i want to enable foreign language characters support in firefox, is that a firefox problem or an X11 config problem? |
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| 23:41.18 | Nyle | leOn, this is #debian i hope you know |
| 23:41.36 | leOn | have two brand new controllers with hw raid capability and i'm stuck with this kernel version... grrr |
| 23:41.46 | Nyle | davis, apt-cache search firefox and install the locale for your reguried language |
| 23:41.53 | Nyle | I think... |
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| 23:41.55 | leOn | Nyle: i am aware of that, yes |
| 23:42.01 | Nyle | leon, just pullin yer leg |
| 23:42.02 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:42.04 | davis | Nyle: thanks |
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| 23:42.58 | arzajac | would someone be able to give me a hand with a content management problem? |
| 23:43.16 | rob|lt | Hi. I'm trying to find a good graphical network discovery tool. Ie, to tell me about all the machines on the network, services available, etc. Any suggestions? |
| 23:43.23 | leOn | arzajac: do allow porn posts |
| 23:43.53 | arzajac | Hehe. Seriously. I can connect to localhost, but any other machine is refused. I dunno why... |
| 23:44.12 | TheBlueWizard | leOn: distributing a binary only stuff for a specific distro is discriminatory...and doubly evil....I will not support that at all |
| 23:44.14 | cafuego | rob|lt: 'xterm -e nmap' ? |
| 23:44.21 | leOn | arzajac: to what service? do you have a firewall? |
| 23:44.34 | Nyle | well, arn't the nvidia drivers binary only? |
| 23:44.40 | maher | davis: its probably a font problem |
| 23:44.59 | arzajac | apache2, php4, mysql, drupal. No firewall. I am on a dialup machine, now... It is installed on this machine, now too. |
| 23:45.18 | davis | i also want to enable "audio mp3 playing in firefox" is that possible? |
| 23:45.20 | cafuego | Nyle: Parts of them are, yes. |
| 23:45.25 | davis | here is the kind of url i want to play |
| 23:45.43 | Nyle | maher, i thought he wanted to enable firefox in a diff. language, or does he want to view foreign lanuages within firefox or something |
| 23:45.44 | rob|lt | cafuego, I was hoping for something like a frontend, that would scan the network and provide a nice interface to all the available information. |
| 23:45.50 | cafuego | davis: xine (and/or mpalyer) can do plugin-ing |
| 23:45.56 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.57 | davis | 18:44 < TheBlueWizard> leOn: distributing a binary only stuff for a specific distro |
| 23:45.59 | rob|lt | cafuego, thanks though |
| 23:45.59 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.01 | cafuego | rob|lt: nessus? |
| 23:46.02 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.05 | davis | 18:44 < cafuego> rob|lt: 'xterm -e nmap' ? |
| 23:46.07 | davis | 18:44 < leOn> arzajac: to what service? do you have a firewall? |
| 23:46.10 | davis | 18:44 < Nyle> well, arn't the nvidia drivers binary only? |
| 23:46.12 | smj | Greetings folks... Quick Sarge question here. Whenever I reboot the directory /media/cdrom0 gets removed. Any idea whats doing it? My server runs Sarge and does not have this issue... |
| 23:46.12 | davis | 18:44 < maher> davis: its probably a font problem |
| 23:46.15 | davis | 18:45 < arzajac> apache2, php4, mysql, drupal. No firewall. I am on a dialup |
| 23:46.17 | streuner | davis: stop it |
| 23:46.17 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.18 | cafuego | davis: UNPLUG YOUR MOUSE AND NEVER USE IT AGAIN! |
| 23:46.18 | rob|lt | cafuego, I'll take a look at nessus |
| 23:46.20 | davis | 18:45 < davis> i also want to enable "audio mp3 playing in firefox" is that possible? |
| 23:46.23 | davis | 18:45 < cafuego> Nyle: Parts of them are, yes. |
| 23:46.24 | Nyle | wtf... |
| 23:46.24 | jasonf | ... |
| 23:46.25 | davis | whoops. |
| 23:46.25 | jasonf | flood? |
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| 23:46.31 | davis | heh, my bad. sorry. |
| 23:46.38 | Nyle | be careful of what you copy |
| 23:46.40 | cafuego | rob|lt: it's a security scanning tool, but it *will* tell you about open ports on entire network segments. |
| 23:46.43 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:46.57 | cafuego | No, be careful of where you paste. |
| 23:47.08 | Nyle | they go hand in hand i suppose |
| 23:47.19 | leOn | the ironic part is that they provide source code for the aic79xx module (part of the kernel) which supports the card ... not only its raid capabilities... |
| 23:47.19 | cafuego | Disable sloppy focus |
| 23:47.21 | davis | yah, it was a mistake. |
| 23:47.29 | Nyle | i usually paste everything in a text editor before I paste it on irc |
| 23:47.30 | smj | rob|lt: Nessus even gives a pretty report with pies and graphs for the management types to woo at. |
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| 23:47.40 | arestheimpaler | anyone here using a kvm? |
| 23:47.45 | smj | arestheimpaler: yes |
| 23:47.47 | rob|lt | cafuego, smj: Thanks... I'll take a look at nessus. |
| 23:47.52 | cafuego | arestheimpaler: yes |
| 23:48.00 | arestheimpaler | what kvm do you guys use? |
| 23:48.02 | arzajac | leon: Would you please tell me what you see when you go to 216.209.130.17/test ? |
| 23:48.09 | arestheimpaler | I had a belkin that didnt like linux |
| 23:48.13 | cafuego | rob|lt: It might be overkill if all you want is a list of samba servers though |
| 23:48.14 | smj | rob|lt: Don't forget to update the plugins before running it so you have the latest in attack types. |
| 23:48.18 | arestheimpaler | and I need to buy one pronto |
| 23:48.31 | davis | i was trying to show an example html i wish to play in firefox. |
| 23:48.37 | davis | it looks kinda like this: |
| 23:49.51 | Nyle | dum de dum |
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| 23:49.52 | davis | embed src="audio/xxx.mp3" autostart="false".... |
| 23:49.52 | cafuego | arestheimpaler: Didn't like Linux? |
| 23:49.52 | Jebediah | 2.6.10 has a nasty vfat bug in it |
| 23:49.52 | cafuego | arestheimpaler: What sort of KVM is OS dependent? |
| 23:49.52 | Nyle | ares didnt' impale anyone, as far as I know it was Vlad Tepes |
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| 23:49.54 | smj | arestheimpaler: I stay away from Belkin now since the awful "wireless router/cable modem incident"... |
| 23:49.55 | dli | how to disable screensaver? I dont' even know which one is running |
| 23:49.59 | Nyle | ares might have slaughtered and stuff :D |
| 23:50.18 | dli | Jebediah: I'm running 2.6.10? how do I test for that bug |
| 23:50.25 | leOn | arzajac: a web page? |
| 23:50.25 | arestheimpaler | cafuego, I know, but when I switched from windows to linux, the mouse went crazy |
| 23:50.27 | smj | cafuego: I'm sure if they could find a way, Belkin would make a cheap OS dependent KVM. |
| 23:50.40 | Jebediah | dli: well, you check your /var/log/messages for something like: |
| 23:50.44 | arzajac | leOn: would you please click on a link... |
| 23:50.45 | arestheimpaler | smj, I think they did find a way :D |
| 23:51.00 | leOn | arzajac: you have an apache configuration problem |
| 23:51.09 | Jebediah | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.17 | arestheimpaler | smj, I was wondering how the omniview SOHo work.. |
| 23:51.21 | leOn | arzajac: see the NameVirtualHost directive |
| 23:51.24 | Jebediah | it was corrupting the fs on my mp3 player |
| 23:51.35 | arestheimpaler | Nyle, the nick came from both ares the "god" and vlad tapes |
| 23:51.35 | Paco | (Nyle): i never created a daily password |
| 23:51.41 | simonrvn | s/ares/arse/ |
| 23:51.48 | dli | Jebediah: I don't have anything like "fat" in messages |
| 23:51.49 | smj | arestheimpaler: I dunno. I use a cheap Zonet. It's nice though. Haven't had any problems with it. It's got on screen display, etc. |
| 23:51.51 | Paco | (Nyle): i never created a daily user name i mean |
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| 23:52.06 | cafuego | arestheimpaler: So perhaps the KVM isn't emulating the mouse type linux expects? |
| 23:52.07 | arzajac | leOn: Thank you. |
| 23:52.10 | smj | arestheimpaler: Obviously the originally programmers either didn't speak English or couldn't spell. |
| 23:52.14 | Jebediah | dli: then you are probably fine. Think it has to do with UTF8, but I am not using it¿ |
| 23:52.40 | cafuego | arestheimpaler: Mind you, I have a $25 hardware switch box with a big knob on it and that works fine. |
| 23:52.40 | arestheimpaler | cafuego, I tried every single thing I could think of with the Xconfig and it wouldnt work |
| 23:52.42 | Nyle | Paco, ...? |
| 23:52.56 | Nyle | arestheimpaler, ahhh, ok then, rock on |
| 23:53.00 | leOn | is it possible to make a PCI 2.1 bus support PCI2.2 only by a BIOS update? |
| 23:53.03 | dli | Jebediah: I think utf-8 code page is enabled in kernel, but I don't have anything with utf8 encoding |
| 23:53.09 | cafuego | arestheimpaler: Try one thing before you exchange it; run it though 'gpm' and make X use /dev/gpmdata |
| 23:53.11 | arestheimpaler | simonm, what? |
| 23:53.17 | Paco | (Nyle): let me use the useradd command to add a daily user |
| 23:53.21 | smj | AHA!!!!! |
| 23:53.25 | Nyle | Paco, why are you telling me this? |
| 23:53.30 | Jebediah | dli: then it is likley not hittig you. I think I made utf codepage a module, but it is not loaded |
| 23:54.02 | smj | arestheimpaler: Yeah, actually, the $25 switches are great. |
| 23:54.08 | Paco | (Nyle): u were helping me solve a firefox problem, and one of the solutions was that i couldnt run the firefox browser in root. |
| 23:54.09 | arestheimpaler | cafuego, that I gave that kvm away.. cant get it back, it was sort of a present.... |
| 23:54.13 | dli | Jebediah: right, I don't have vfat either |
| 23:54.18 | cafuego | smj: Well, they suck (really suck) at 1600x1200 |
| 23:54.31 | dli | someone help me with screensaver? |
| 23:54.36 | Nyle | Paco, ahh yes, you can gksu to firefox, but i don't htink you can run it from console as root, you would get the display error |
| 23:54.36 | smj | cafuego: I used to have a Belkin and it was retarded with respect to switching. Really expensive too. |
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| 23:54.47 | arestheimpaler | smj, what kvm you say you have? |
| 23:54.49 | Jebediah | dli: O, well it's only vfat AFAIK |
| 23:54.56 | smj | cafuego: Worked great for Windows, wouldn't switch anything else very well... |
| 23:55.04 | Jebediah | my belkin KVM do not like USB mice |
| 23:55.12 | smj | arestheimpaler: I've got a Zonet KVM 3008. |
| 23:55.16 | Nyle | "We're not just faces and names, we're flesh, covered in flames!" |
| 23:55.27 | smj | arestheimpaler: I spent waaaaay too much money, but I'm set for the rest of my conceivable existence... |
| 23:55.35 | cafuego | smj: I have a nice ServerLink electronic KVM - that works fine at higher resolutions.. but the cheapy mechanical ones get BAD interference. |
| 23:55.54 | dli | each time the screensaver goes to blank screen, a pointer is left over on screen, after the screen comes back |
| 23:56.06 | arestheimpaler | smj, paying waaaaay too much money is buying a belkin kvm.. they are expensive are you are going to need to buy more than 1 cause they suck |
| 23:56.11 | Nyle | !kvm |
| 23:56.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, kvm is kernel virtual memory (kernel address space), or keyboard/video/mouse |
| 23:56.17 | Nyle | ahhhh |
| 23:56.24 | Nyle | i love dpkg |
| 23:56.30 | cafuego | leOn: use xdmcp ;-) |
| 23:56.35 | asg | !hug Nyle |
| 23:56.40 | Nyle | hehe |
| 23:56.40 | smj | arestheimpaler: Well, I made that mistake once. Now I've spent somewhere around $100 for an 8-port Zonet. It's served me well. |
| 23:56.50 | Nyle | !grouphug |
| 23:56.57 | cafuego | Nyle: With KVM we mean keyboard/monitor switch |
| 23:57.00 | leOn | cafuego: xdmcp doesn't give you access to BIOSes and the boot process |
| 23:57.12 | Nyle | i figured, from the latter part of the response |
| 23:57.21 | cafuego | leOn: No... but really, you shouldn't be rebooting the servers anyway ;-) |
| 23:57.29 | sussudio | !do Nyle |
| 23:57.33 | Nyle | lol |
| 23:57.49 | arestheimpaler | lol |
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| 23:57.56 | smj | You can reboot servers? |
| 23:57.59 | leOn | cafuego: wanna see my last line in a window i have here? |
| 23:58.00 | dli | what do I need to install for qt-dev in order to run "make xconfig" |
| 23:58.07 | smj | I thought they ran forever. ;-) |
| 23:58.10 | asg | smj: you can but then you have to pass go and not collect $200 |
| 23:58.11 | leOn | w3ci:~/ADAPTEC/lib/modules/2.4.18-14/kernel/drivers/scsi# fdisk -l /d |
| 23:58.21 | *** join/#debian neo10 (~neo10@105.121.95.80.ip.b26.cz) |
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| 23:58.32 | leOn | that was after |
| 23:58.32 | leOn | w3ci:~/ADAPTEC/lib/modules/2.4.18-14/kernel/drivers/scsi# insmod -f a320raid.o |
| 23:58.40 | leOn | ;) |
| 23:58.45 | *** part/#debian default (~chris@p5480A9F7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:58.56 | *** join/#debian petemc (pete@81.144.188.147) |
| 23:59.02 | smj | asg: lol |
| 23:59.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 751] by debhelper |
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| 23:59.07 | smj | arestheimpaler: http://www.zonetusa.com/DispProduct.asp?ProductID=93 |
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| 23:59.42 | arestheimpaler | smj, I was drooling at it already.. it's 117 in newegg |
| 23:59.55 | smj | arestheimpaler: I think that's where I picked it up. |
