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| 00:00.32 | nvz | bughunter: you are asking if LVM is in 2.4 or if its in debian woody's 2.4.18, or what? |
| 00:01.21 | Craigwd_2000 | Is it safe to say that Unix and thusly Linux are probably descendants of the OSes early computers like the Univac used? |
| 00:01.23 | bughunter | nvz: last one. |
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| 00:02.14 | JoePenguin | Craigwd_2000: I wouldn't go around saying that |
| 00:02.15 | nvz | bughunter: well, if you have the kernel package installed, there is a file on your system /boot/config-2.4.18-* or such that would tell you |
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| 00:02.42 | Craigwd_2000 | Why not? |
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| 00:03.52 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: cause Linus will send out a sentient team of mutant ninja penguins to distroy you :P |
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| 00:04.05 | bughunter | nvz: There's a CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LVM=m so it is therein as a module. |
| 00:04.21 | nvz | bughunter: and debian kernels have initrd.. |
| 00:04.23 | Azar | Craigwd_2000 a good book to study about is "Understanding Unix/Linux Programming" by Bruce Molay |
| 00:04.24 | MedievalSpawn | hi |
| 00:04.26 | simonrvn | Craigwd_2000: not even vaguely |
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| 00:04.33 | stew | Craigwd_2000: what similarities to the univac operating system do you think linux might have? |
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| 00:04.44 | bughunter | nvz: Now I need to know if this is LVM version 1 or version 2... |
| 00:04.45 | Craigwd_2000 | Being very cryptic... |
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| 00:05.15 | caphuso | Craigwd_2000: trolling isn't going to get you any help |
| 00:05.24 | bestadvocate_ | hello |
| 00:05.41 | bestadvocate_ | does anyone know of a repostiory with siag office? |
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| 00:06.03 | Craigwd_2000 | It was just a friendly question... |
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| 00:06.50 | BeEfY | hi, just a quick question, when using apt-get install <kernel image name> to install a new kernel image. Does it take all the current drivers you are running, so it pretty much should be problem free? |
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| 00:08.53 | PerfDave | BeEfY: It'll use the same /etc/modules as the current kernel. |
| 00:08.56 | bestadvocate_ | saig office is what makes damn small linux so fun :) |
| 00:08.56 | nvz | BeEfY: not really, can you read the words I am typing? |
| 00:09.29 | nvz | BeEfY: if so, you will probably be alright. are you going from 2.2 or 2.4 to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:09.35 | BeEfY | 2.2 |
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| 00:09.55 | budluva | when viewing /etc/passwd, im looking for uid, and gid, which one is first? my postfix user is 102:106 102 = user 106 = group? |
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| 00:10.11 | Azar | Craigwd_2000 it happened on a Minix, a small Unix-like system |
| 00:10.11 | nvz | BeEfY: when jumping across major versions module names can change.. so even though the /etc/modules has the same module names, they may be called something else in the new kernel |
| 00:10.25 | nvz | BeEfY: this was true with usb from 2.4 -> 2.6 |
| 00:10.29 | nvz | as well as other things |
| 00:10.38 | BeEfY | the only thing i care about |
| 00:10.40 | BeEfY | is my nic |
| 00:10.53 | Craigwd_2000 | So I was right! |
| 00:10.53 | stew | BeEfY: what driver are you currently using? |
| 00:10.56 | nvz | BeEfY: what module are you using now? and what kernel are you installing> |
| 00:11.06 | Azar | Craigwd_2000 not quite |
| 00:11.09 | BeEfY | ummm... |
| 00:11.15 | BeEfY | Intel something... 2 secs.. |
| 00:11.17 | budluva | anyone? |
| 00:11.26 | BeEfY | Intel eepro100, i *think* |
| 00:11.26 | cat | damn lag |
| 00:11.28 | Craigwd_2000 | Now I'm confused... |
| 00:11.30 | stew | budluva: man 5 passwd |
| 00:11.37 | nvz | dpkg: anyone? |
| 00:11.37 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 00:11.46 | sussudio | !anyone yuse |
| 00:11.46 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, capiche? You don't mess with the family. |
| 00:11.55 | harrytuttle | Craigwd_2000: http://www.levenez.com/unix/ |
| 00:11.55 | BeEfY | eth0: Intel PCI EtherExpress Pro100 82557 |
| 00:12.24 | stew | BeEfY: what kenrel are you upgrading too? |
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| 00:12.33 | nvz | s/oo/o/ |
| 00:12.42 | nvz | that was fun |
| 00:12.43 | stew | thanks |
| 00:12.53 | BeEfY | 2.6 preferably |
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| 00:13.23 | Azar | Craigwd_2000 read http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_3.html#SEC13 |
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| 00:13.46 | Azar | uf new monitor in...getting really busy tonight |
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| 00:14.18 | stew | BeEfY: your current module is probably eepro100, in 2.6 it will probably be eepro100 as well but possibly e100, i don't know what the difference between those drivers is |
| 00:14.20 | Azar | nvz, wish me luck...bbl |
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| 00:14.37 | escualis | simon: |
| 00:14.37 | BeEfY | ok, so it should work, |
| 00:14.38 | nvz | k, buh~bye ;) |
| 00:14.41 | BeEfY | but possible might not? |
| 00:14.46 | escualis | simonrvn: are you here? |
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| 00:14.56 | simonrvn | not for long |
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| 00:15.06 | escualis | the last question! |
| 00:15.15 | escualis | you know this problem.. |
| 00:15.21 | stew | BeEfY: if eepro100 doesn't work, just modprobe e100, you should be able to get as far as loggin in, unless this machine is remote or headless |
| 00:15.27 | escualis | [~]:# cvs import -m "Prueba" [ssnadsl-portal] cvs start |
| 00:15.27 | escualis | Cannot access /home/cvs/CVSROOT |
| 00:15.27 | escualis | Permission denied |
| 00:15.31 | BeEfY | its remote |
| 00:15.34 | BeEfY | thats why i wanted to check |
| 00:15.35 | stew | BeEfY: pay attention when dpkg starts telling you about initrd |
| 00:15.48 | BeEfY | k |
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| 00:15.50 | PerfDave | BeEfY: Why are you upgrading to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:15.58 | escualis | simonrvn: any idea? |
| 00:15.59 | BeEfY | well |
| 00:16.02 | BeEfY | a 2.4 would do |
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| 00:16.18 | PerfDave | BeEfY: What's wrong with your 2.2 kernel? |
| 00:16.19 | BeEfY | but my current 2.2 kernel i cannot get to work with more than one extended interface on eth0 |
| 00:16.20 | simonrvn | escualis: no. i mostly know client side. sorry |
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| 00:16.38 | BeEfY | i have 5 IP's addresses assigned to this machine, yet i cannot actually use them |
| 00:16.50 | PerfDave | BeEfY: Fair enough |
| 00:16.57 | PerfDave | BeEfY: 2.4 might be safer, and more stable. |
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| 00:18.03 | BeEfY | right, here goes nothing! |
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| 00:18.30 | stew | BeEfY: really, make sure you get initrd right or its not going to boot guaranteed |
| 00:18.36 | BeEfY | k |
| 00:18.41 | BeEfY | what do i need to look out for? |
| 00:19.05 | stew | BeEfY: in lilo, you need to make sure that initrd=/path/to/initrd in the default stanze of lilo.conf before you run lilo |
| 00:19.12 | stew | stanza* |
| 00:19.45 | BeEfY | ok |
| 00:19.51 | BeEfY | so i have already started the apt-get |
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| 00:20.11 | BeEfY | and now its asking me to stop and edit lilo |
| 00:20.14 | BeEfY | i take it, i do this |
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| 00:22.00 | BoRR | hellp |
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| 00:22.07 | BoRR | hello |
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| 00:22.51 | stew | !hi BoRR |
| 00:22.52 | dpkg | Many greetings, BoRR, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 00:23.07 | jasonf | !hello |
| 00:23.07 | dpkg | Hi, jasonf! |
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| 00:24.24 | BoRR | sorry no inglis from spain xD |
| 00:24.27 | BoRR | :englis |
| 00:24.27 | sussudio | !es |
| 00:24.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:24.34 | BoRR | GRACIAS |
| 00:24.35 | BoRR | xD |
| 00:24.51 | BeEfY | stew, everything seems to have gone ok so far, from what i can see after dpkg has finished, all i need to do is restart? |
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| 00:25.12 | stew | BeEfY: in theory :) |
| 00:25.33 | BeEfY | right, lets hope this has worked, or my ISP will have to fix it for me :P |
| 00:26.10 | crunch | anyone know which debs i need to be able to mount reiser partitions in sarge? i installed the kernel-patch |
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| 00:26.50 | Guerin | crunch: debian kernels suport ricerfs ootb |
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| 00:27.07 | streuner | crunch: ReiserFS should be in the kernel of the image. |
| 00:27.13 | RichiH | !pt |
| 00:27.13 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:27.37 | Craigwd_2000 | That chart makes my brain hurt... |
| 00:27.40 | crunch | i must be doing something wrong then -t reiser says unsupported |
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| 00:28.07 | crunch | ah its reiserfs ? ;) |
| 00:28.10 | RichiH | crunch: apt-get install modconf, then load the module |
| 00:28.17 | streuner | crunch: grep REISER /boot/kernel***.config |
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| 00:29.03 | forgiven | Will wireless networking work with Woody? |
| 00:29.09 | cat | forgiven: yeah |
| 00:29.13 | cat | depends on the kernel though |
| 00:29.17 | forgiven | 2.4 |
| 00:29.23 | cat | ok good, |
| 00:29.26 | escualis | 2.6.9 |
| 00:29.27 | forgiven | 2.4.18 |
| 00:29.41 | streuner | forgiven: as desktop-system? |
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| 00:30.03 | forgiven | TI "g" card that has worked with ndiswrapper |
| 00:30.06 | streuner | forgiven: or is that box running as server? |
| 00:30.13 | forgiven | streuner: yes |
| 00:30.20 | streuner | forgiven: why not just upgrade to sarge? |
| 00:30.33 | crunch | RichiH, streuner , got it mounted now cheers |
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| 00:30.42 | forgiven | streuner: That's why I'm installing the wirless net :) |
| 00:30.54 | streuner | uhm, ok :-) |
| 00:31.13 | streuner | forgiven: no cheap NIC handy? |
| 00:31.14 | forgiven | I only have wirless access from this local. |
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| 00:31.42 | Craigwd_2000 | So, it will be a wifi server... Personally I'd use a router... |
| 00:32.18 | forgiven | It is for a desktop workstation That's going to be sarge |
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| 00:32.57 | khert | how can i find what which package contains a certain file (e.g. strstream.h) |
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| 00:33.08 | streuner | !search |
| 00:33.09 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing> |
| 00:33.09 | timido | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys ... |
| 00:33.10 | khert | s/what/out |
| 00:33.44 | caphuso | another bot? |
| 00:33.48 | stew | timido: what are you |
| 00:33.48 | timido | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:33.50 | jasonf | someone needs to get that second bot to change commands |
| 00:33.50 | forgiven | streuner: Is woody 2.4.28 (3.0 r1) too old for ndiswrapper? |
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| 00:34.01 | Craigwd_2000 | Wait a minute, my router has two antennas, a wifi PCI card only has one. Meaning the signal strength might be poor... |
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| 00:34.03 | forgiven | opps 2.4.18 |
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| 00:34.19 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 00:34.22 | plagerism | How is Debians amd 64 bit processor support?? |
| 00:34.34 | stew | #amd64 |
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| 00:34.38 | caphuso | plagerism: depends on the processor |
| 00:34.50 | plagerism | caphuso, howso?? |
| 00:34.50 | kbrooks | hi LaptopAncient |
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| 00:35.15 | caphuso | plagerism: well, it works fine on some 64 bit CPUs |
| 00:35.24 | streuner | forgiven: use /msg dpkg laptop |
| 00:35.31 | Craigwd_2000 | Like which? |
| 00:35.38 | plagerism | caphuso, like say an amd 64 Athlon 3000+? |
| 00:35.50 | streuner | forgiven: there might be an HOWTO for your laptop and some tips. |
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| 00:36.02 | caphuso | plagerism: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 00:36.08 | BeEfY | stew, it seems like it didn't work as it still has not booted |
| 00:36.09 | BeEfY | :( |
| 00:36.12 | stew | Craigwd_2000: your router is only using one antenna at a time |
| 00:36.13 | forgiven | What does one need to transfer to woody in order to get net access via a wireless "g" card that is working via ndiswrapper on another partition? On my desktop. |
| 00:36.22 | plagerism | caphuso: thank you |
| 00:36.37 | Craigwd_2000 | Then why does it have two? |
| 00:36.52 | stew | Craigwd_2000: in case one is in a bad spot |
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| 00:37.05 | stew | Craigwd_2000: it will from time to time try switching to see if the other has a better signal |
| 00:37.18 | stew | BeEfY: that sucks... |
| 00:37.23 | forgiven | This "woody" partion is going to be apt-get to Sarge (if I get the wireless access working) |
| 00:37.24 | BeEfY | i know :( |
| 00:37.24 | Craigwd_2000 | Then why does the B revision of my router only have one? |
| 00:37.46 | stew | Craigwd_2000: becuase they cheaped out on you, it probably has another thats internal |
| 00:37.54 | BeEfY | i will try to get my host to tell me why when they get it working again, and try and get them to install 2.4 so i can actually use my additonal IP's! |
| 00:37.55 | streuner | forgiven: well, i would use d-i (debian-installer sarge) |
| 00:38.00 | BeEfY | but thanks for your help anyway, much appreciated |
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| 00:38.20 | streuner | forgiven: and i would read /msg dpkg laptop first |
| 00:38.24 | Craigwd_2000 | No, I was lucky... I got the dual antenna model... |
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| 00:39.05 | jasonf | how is debian-ppc? I got an old g3 I'm going to setup for my little bro with some basic games and all |
| 00:39.22 | Craigwd_2000 | It's a D-Link DI-614+, recommended by G4TechTV as the router to get... |
| 00:39.27 | streuner | forgiven: you know, most new stuff is supported only in 2.6.x kernels and d-i has it... |
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| 00:39.54 | forgiven | streuner: SO I should forget Woody and download a Sarge iso (on the working part) and install fresh on new part (and thus set up wireless?) |
| 00:40.12 | forgiven | streuner: What's d-i? |
| 00:40.18 | streuner | forgiven: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:40.23 | Craigwd_2000 | No, download the Sarge net install ISO, it's much smaller... |
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| 00:40.49 | streuner | forgiven: yes - i would go for it, but ask in #debian-boot too, also check out groups.google.com |
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| 00:41.04 | jasonf | !tell forgiven about d-i |
| 00:42.05 | streuner | forgiven: plus read /msg dpkg laptop, usually there are some older HOWTO's, maybe you don't need to download the sarge-iso then. |
| 00:42.26 | forgiven | Craigwd_2000: Yes but remeber I only have wirless broadband access (to set up first) not hardwired from this box. |
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| 00:43.31 | Craigwd_2000 | Sarge net install only downloads what you select in dselect... Saves a lot of time and hard disk space... You using cable or DSL forgiven? |
| 00:43.44 | forgiven | streuner: OK so I'll learn from the laptop stuff even though I'm desktop? Because this one has no hardwire? |
| 00:44.15 | streuner | forgiven: ok, forget the /msg dpkg laptop part then ;-) |
| 00:44.44 | forgiven | Craigwd_2000: cable BUT only as wireless linked from this desk. |
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| 00:45.32 | Craigwd_2000 | Assuming the installer supports the wifi card Sarge net install might be perfect... |
| 00:46.06 | crunch | anyone else using nforce audio here ? (soundstorm) |
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| 00:46.29 | Craigwd_2000 | Is it linked to a router? |
| 00:46.55 | stew | forgiven: what card/chipset? |
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| 00:48.06 | vitriol | ftp://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/pool/main/ << can anyone tell me why the directories on all mirrors are set up in this way? |
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| 00:48.15 | Craigwd_2000 | If it is all you have to do is just select DHCP as the server protocol and you should be fine if it's on a router... |
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| 00:48.59 | Craigwd_2000 | Quite simple... |
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| 00:49.56 | CoolPops | I have just installed debian and X. X works except my keyboard. I can use my mouse, launch Xterm, quit twm, etc... but cannot type a thing. Once I quit my keyboard works again in console mode. It's just a standard keyboard, I've used Linux 90% of the time for the last 5 years and I can't find anything wrong with my XF86Config file, has anyone else experienced this? |
| 00:50.03 | vitriol | if you are looking for a particular kind of application, that structure isn't very useful |
| 00:50.17 | vitriol | like if i were to search for all fps games |
| 00:50.23 | stew | vitriol: packages.debian.org |
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| 00:50.40 | Guerin | vitriol: it's not designed to be searched by humans |
| 00:50.52 | Guerin | vitriol: that's why you have apt-cache |
| 00:50.59 | stew | vitriol: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:51.11 | Craigwd_2000 | Have you tried running xf86config to see if that fixes it CoolPops? |
| 00:51.30 | arnon | how do I change the label on the login prompt ? |
| 00:51.49 | vitriol | eh, i've used apt-cache |
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| 00:51.58 | salox | hallo |
| 00:52.00 | vitriol | i don't get very useful results from it most of the time though |
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| 00:52.20 | Craigwd_2000 | If not you may want to upgrade to the latest version of X... |
| 00:52.29 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: have you tried suggesting debian methods of fixing problems when in #debian? |
| 00:52.49 | salox | any body know how is the font that using for debian in their logo |
| 00:52.51 | salox | ?? |
| 00:52.52 | Craigwd_2000 | Sorry, I'm new to Debian... |
| 00:53.00 | CoolPops | Craigwd_2000: no. I'll try that, but my keyboard setup is exactly like my old gentoo (just replaced with debian today) is. I actually kept my x config file and they are identical now. Anyway, I'll try xf86config. |
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| 00:53.08 | vitriol | here's an example...if i do 'apt-cache search editor' i get hundreds of results.... |
| 00:53.10 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: ok, well its dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, is the debian way to reconfigure X |
| 00:53.28 | wowie | after i run alsaconf, how do i save it? |
| 00:53.36 | vitriol | vorbis-tools - Several Ogg Vorbis Tools << that comes up using apt-cache to search for the string 'editor' |
| 00:53.41 | CoolPops | nvz: that's what made my X config to begin with. |
| 00:53.44 | stew | CoolPops: did you look at the x logs? |
| 00:53.49 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: the reason being, the debian maintainer makes sure the defaults are safe, and that its done in a manner consistant with debian |
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| 00:54.32 | rich_ | Thanks everyone, bbl |
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| 00:54.34 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: if a user in #debian asks a question at some point they are ignorant to how something along the line works.. so we try to keep it simple recommend "The Debian Way" (tm) first |
| 00:54.41 | CoolPops | stew: yes, but I didn't see anything that caught my eye. I will look in more detail right now. |
| 00:55.13 | Craigwd_2000 | Before I had to use XF86Config to get Debian to work with my ATI video card at all... Even after upgrading via dselect... |
| 00:55.38 | [-JeF-] | when I start gnome it shows me debian logo & nothing happens....in console it shows: font renderer for ".pcf" allready registered at priority 0 & same string for snt, bdf, pmt.....how can I fix it? help me plz =( |
| 00:55.51 | Craigwd_2000 | I had to use backport on top of that! |
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| 00:55.58 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: well custom settings in a X file are often done with hand-editing, but it does happen.. its just not our first suggestion method around here |
| 00:56.28 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: you have to assume that you are speaking to the dumbest possible lifeform, until proven otherwise |
| 00:56.33 | streuner | [-JeF-]: is gnome completly installed? |
| 00:56.33 | helix | does anyone have a clever one liner to figure out what's taking up so much space in my home directory? |
| 00:56.49 | nvz | helix: use du ;) |
| 00:56.59 | Craigwd_2000 | That's really disconcerting you know nvz... |
| 00:57.02 | helix | nvz: I want to list the largest files/directories |
| 00:57.05 | [-JeF-] | streuner, yes....it's worked.... |
| 00:57.11 | streuner | helix: well, there aren't any recommends, only rm. |
| 00:57.19 | helix | streuner: er |
| 00:57.22 | peterS | du -sk * | sort -n is what I use |
| 00:57.25 | nvz | helix: du -h and run it through sort? |
| 00:57.28 | helix | peterS: I believe that's it, yeah |
| 00:57.36 | [-JeF-] | streuner, it seems I got problems with fonts....how can I reinstall it? |
| 00:57.36 | nvz | or that |
| 00:57.37 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:58.07 | peterS | right, the problem with sort -n is that it has to wait for all its input before it can give any output (: |
| 00:58.13 | streuner | [-JeF-]: what kind of problems do you have? |
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| 00:58.18 | peterS | since the smallest value might happen to come last |
| 00:58.23 | helix | right |
| 00:58.24 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: you have to play it safe.. you cant suggest non-debian methods that could cause a more problems you either dont know how to, or wont be around to support. I am just trying to explain to you IRC tech support 101 |
| 00:58.34 | [-JeF-] | streuner, I can't start gnome...it shows me debian logo & nothing happens |
| 00:58.35 | helix | I have to save this command.. my ~/ shouldn't be at 96% |
| 00:58.49 | [-JeF-] | streuner, I don't know what 2 do =( |
| 00:59.03 | helix | hum |
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| 00:59.07 | streuner | [-JeF-]: did you try it via 'startx'? |
| 00:59.08 | helix | irclogs are taking up the most space |
| 00:59.15 | helix | go figure.. you're all bastards |
| 00:59.19 | peterS | they're gzipped already? |
| 00:59.20 | [-JeF-] | streuner, I only know this way =) |
| 00:59.21 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: you are doing the person a favor assuming they are a moron.. they might not be an idiot, just emotionally stressed and slightly offcourse.. but you assuming the worst gives you the chance to look at the whole picture and set them straight |
| 00:59.23 | helix | peterS: nah |
| 00:59.25 | The_Vulture | helix: my linux partitions are at 91% total.. but it's only 4GB |
| 00:59.50 | peterS | obviously you can't gzip this month's logs, but doing the rest will save *a lot* (: |
| 01:00.03 | Craigwd_2000 | That's not me though, I don't like to degrade people unnecessarily... |
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| 01:00.40 | CoolPops | Craigwd_2000: nvz: got it. mouse was configured for psaux, changed it to the /dev/input/mice and everything then worked. hm. |
| 01:00.41 | streuner | [-JeF-]: touch /home/$USER/.xsession, edit .xsession with 'exec gnome-session', remove xdm, gdm. |
| 01:00.59 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: its not degrading, its just knowing where you are at and what you are working with. |
| 01:01.11 | helix | luckily I'm finding mostly useless stuff |
| 01:01.16 | streuner | [-JeF-]: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 01:01.19 | Craigwd_2000 | To me it is... |
| 01:01.24 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: you cant see the person, you only have a short question to go on when someone comes in here.. let the information come out, and try to be as passivly helpful as possible |
| 01:02.01 | [-JeF-] | streuner, hm....there is no .xsession in my home dir |
| 01:02.08 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: important thing is not to cause a problem.. like suggesting an acient config tool over one the package maintainer put there for you to use |
| 01:02.12 | simonrvn | [-JeF-]: that's why you create it |
| 01:02.14 | peterS | helix: three or four copies of sarge-i386-netinst.iso will take your usage up considerably, yeah |
| 01:02.18 | [-JeF-] | streuner, I got it in /root on;y |
| 01:02.37 | [-JeF-] | simonrvn, what should I write in? |
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| 01:02.56 | helix | heh |
| 01:03.00 | helix | I don't think I have that |
| 01:03.09 | streuner | [-JeF-]: i told you, scroll up. |
| 01:03.18 | peterS | oh, you're not like me? I find myself downloading daily snapshots on occasion and then never deleting them |
| 01:03.21 | simonrvn | [-JeF-]: streuner told you already what to do |
| 01:03.28 | [-JeF-] | ok....I'll try |
| 01:03.51 | helix | peterS: why would I download them? |
| 01:04.00 | peterS | to test d-i |
| 01:04.04 | helix | woooo, down to 82% |
| 01:04.06 | helix | oh |
| 01:04.10 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: its not like you are at work and seeing a asian person walk in and assuming they are stupid because they are asian.. you arent making a judgement like that.. you are just for the sake of the issue at hand not assuming anything.. which means assuming nothing, that this person has not plugged it in, turned it on, or has any clue what they are doing ;) |
| 01:04.13 | helix | I just get the boot images when I test it |
| 01:04.18 | helix | since I only use that on girl |
| 01:04.23 | streuner | [-JeF-]: gdm won't start GNOME as root, according to my experience ... |
| 01:04.27 | peterS | ah right |
| 01:04.41 | peterS | .iso files are only a certain amount useful when you don't have a CD-ROM drive |
| 01:04.47 | [-JeF-] | streuner, I don't need it |
| 01:04.59 | Craigwd_2000 | Maybe I assume too much... One reason I don't do everything the Debian way is because my first Linux wasn't Debian. It was Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4. I've also used OpenLinux Workstation 3.1, SuSE 9.1 Personal, Knoppix 3.3-3.6, Mac OS X and Morphix... |
| 01:05.01 | The_Vulture | peterS: a certain rather small amount.. |
| 01:05.07 | helix | peterS: right |
| 01:05.08 | peterS | helix: well, it'd tell you which albums are longest, if you have stuff grouped into albums like I do |
| 01:05.13 | streuner | [-JeF-]: What you don't need? |
| 01:05.42 | peterS | The_Vulture: well, you *can* treat it as a sort of tarfile which you can extract and stick on your HTTP server, for d-i to use |
| 01:05.46 | peterS | The_Vulture: so, not entirely useless |
| 01:05.49 | streuner | [-JeF-]: GNOME, gdm or running GNOME as root? |
| 01:05.51 | [-JeF-] | streuner, gdm....I can start gnome without it...no? |
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| 01:06.02 | helix | my mail is apparently huge as well |
| 01:06.03 | helix | hmph |
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| 01:06.13 | streuner | [-JeF-]: yes, of course |
| 01:06.15 | arnon | how do I install php and apache ? |
| 01:06.22 | The_Vulture | peterS: *nods* |
| 01:06.23 | peterS | helix: maybe delete some of those infinitah anatomah pictures |
| 01:06.33 | Craigwd_2000 | I've also used Redhat 7.2... |
| 01:06.33 | streuner | arnon: apt-get install php4 apache |
| 01:06.33 | helix | LOL |
| 01:06.39 | helix | chill, that's like 1kb |
| 01:06.41 | arnon | streuner, thanks |
| 01:06.42 | peterS | hehe |
| 01:06.45 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: yeah I have been using debian a few years, stuff when I first started didnt work.. but for the sake of people who are in here helping all the time, and people who need the help.. try follow debian protocol, then if that doesnt work you can move on to other things |
| 01:06.57 | helix | some of this is in an evolution folder |
| 01:07.08 | peterS | ha. old stuff, then |
| 01:07.08 | helix | and I'm not sure whether I already migrated that stuff.. |
| 01:07.16 | Bobguru | who likes knoppix |
| 01:07.26 | streuner | Bobguru: #knoppix |
| 01:07.36 | The_Vulture | Bobguru: people in #knoppix probably do.. |
| 01:07.48 | helix | peterS: weird, the timestamps from the evo folder say august 2003.. |
| 01:07.56 | peterS | helix: read a sample mailbox, pick an odd text string, grep -r for it in your ~/Mail or whatever |
| 01:07.58 | helix | but I didn't switch to mutt until, what? october *maybe*? |
| 01:08.01 | debian | First rule of #debian is we don't talk about knoppix |
| 01:08.08 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: like I say, those config scripts debconf uses are made by the maintainer, and they are what I call WIDHE (When In Doubt Hit Enter) compliant, because the maintainers take care in choosing sane/safe defualts. |
| 01:08.10 | jonesy | Bobguru: I don't |
| 01:08.23 | Bobguru | is not debian better than knoppix? |
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| 01:08.31 | helix | Bobguru: no trolling, mmkay |
| 01:08.34 | forgiven | My apt-getting has to go through the wireless card "wlan0". It is a TI chipset and I think it only works via ndiswrapper (which in fact works on this part) |
| 01:08.37 | jmob | what about gnoppix? |
| 01:09.04 | Bobguru | deboppix |
| 01:09.12 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: if someone shows they know alot and want to change a specific setting, and you feel they know what they are doing, you might recommend they just edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 with vi or something.. but otherwise push the safe debian protocol on them |
| 01:09.14 | [-JeF-] | streuner, ok...I did all that dpkg said....now I can start gnome from my user via startx? |
| 01:09.15 | peterS | that sounds like bebop-pix |
| 01:09.47 | streuner | [-JeF-]: just try it |
| 01:09.53 | [-JeF-] | k |
| 01:09.54 | jonesy | Bobguru: go to #knoppix, go directly to #knoppix. |
| 01:09.56 | Craigwd_2000 | I'd rather personally use Pico for simplicity's sake... |
| 01:10.06 | Bobguru | jonesy: do not pass go ? |
| 01:10.09 | simonrvn | do not pass 'go', do not collect 200$ |
| 01:10.28 | Craigwd_2000 | Don't you mean $200? |
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| 01:10.39 | simonrvn | no, i meant what i typed |
| 01:10.42 | helix | doh. peterS. 112692sarge-i386-netinst.iso. |
| 01:10.45 | helix | :| |
| 01:10.48 | Bobguru | How the hell does knoppix run off a cd, i mean really tahts just cool |
| 01:10.50 | simonrvn | eek |
| 01:10.51 | peterS | helix: hehehe |
| 01:10.52 | helix | I guess I downloaded that so I could burn it for work |
| 01:10.55 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: yeah, I like a modeless editor too.. I am simple minded when it comes to that stuff. I use mped (Minimum Profit Editor) basic syntax highlighting, and some key emacs commands like the "Yank" command and such.. but no fancy modes and stuff |
| 01:10.57 | peterS | right |
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| 01:11.20 | simonrvn | Bobguru: please go be a fanboy in #knoppix |
| 01:11.21 | Craigwd_2000 | It gets loaded into a RAM disk at startup... |
| 01:11.22 | streuner | Bobguru: can you read? |
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| 01:11.31 | samuel | sup all |
| 01:11.38 | simonrvn | the sky |
| 01:11.48 | helix | ok, 74% is good enough |
| 01:11.56 | debian | ti's morning you insensitive cod |
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| 01:12.04 | simonrvn | clod ;) |
| 01:12.08 | peterS | helix: too bad you don't download sarge-sparc-netinst.iso - I imagine it's a lot larger than 112 MB |
| 01:12.09 | Craigwd_2000 | That's how Knoppix and Morphix work (Morphix is really based on Knoppix so they're almost identical)... |
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| 01:12.17 | helix | maybe |
| 01:12.27 | simonrvn | debian: cod is a fish, i think you meant 'clod' |
| 01:12.31 | JeF` | streuner, ok....gnome works....but there are no pannel & nothing heppens when I hit right-mouse button =( |
| 01:12.36 | simonrvn | debian: cod is also a codpiece |
| 01:12.40 | helix | peterS: btw, they let me take my skateboard as carry on luggage into spain, but not *out* of |
| 01:12.46 | helix | what's up with that |
| 01:12.47 | debian | simonrvn: I like cod. an insensitive cod is cool :) |
| 01:12.52 | JeF` | streuner, I can't even call terminal |
| 01:12.52 | dondelelcaro | that's either cad, or clod |
| 01:12.54 | peterS | helix: size limitations? |
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| 01:12.59 | helix | peterS: not afaict |
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| 01:13.07 | peterS | then I wonder why they'd restrict that |
| 01:13.08 | simonrvn | debian: teehee |
| 01:13.09 | dondelelcaro | calling him an insensitive fish makes no sense. |
| 01:13.11 | helix | they were like, "NO, SKATEBOARDS ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT ALLOWED" |
| 01:13.16 | streuner | JeF`: install gnome-panel or such |
| 01:13.18 | helix | I'm like, I got to bring it in like this |
| 01:13.23 | nvz | really though, what good does a skateboard do inside an airplaine? |
| 01:13.29 | JeF` | streuner, how can I call panell =( |
| 01:13.33 | peterS | helix: same airline? |
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| 01:13.37 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: hmm true (cad, clod) |
| 01:13.37 | JeF` | streuner, I ment terminal |
| 01:13.37 | helix | nvz: the same amount of good bags do |
| 01:13.41 | helix | peterS: yes |
| 01:13.45 | dondelelcaro | nvz: none, but it's better to be in the passenger section than in the cargo section... |
| 01:13.55 | samuel | i just ran across "podcasting" a revolutionary new technology - you can download MP3s using this revolutionary new technology - its impressive... |
| 01:13.59 | peterS | helix: that's odd, then. I'd have thought regulation variants would be per-airline |
| 01:13.59 | forgiven | So I have this nice new Woody install that I'll have to do over as Sarge from a downloaded netinstall CD in order to get my only net (from ndiswrapper for wireless "g" card cause i can not direct connect using eth0)? |
| 01:14.01 | streuner | JeF`: apt-get install gnome-terminal gnome-panel |
| 01:14.07 | Craigwd_2000 | How do I setup Sarge's/Sid's build environment for building from source code? |
| 01:14.08 | Bobguru | Does knoppix get kernal panic erros |
| 01:14.10 | helix | peterS: yeah, no idea what the deal was. |
| 01:14.26 | simonrvn | anyone with a working oldworld box willing to sponsor my quik uploads? :) |
| 01:14.28 | forgiven | PLus i don't know if the Srage netinstall will work? |
| 01:14.32 | forgiven | help? |
| 01:14.36 | Craigwd_2000 | Yes, but it's a rarety... |
| 01:14.39 | peterS | helix: so they let you put a tag on it and send it as regular luggage? |
| 01:14.42 | dondelelcaro | Bobguru: take the knoppix stuff to #knoppix. You've been warned by others, and you will not be warned again. |
| 01:14.43 | helix | yeah |
| 01:14.45 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I suppose. its not an incredibly fragile object.. its ply wood with sandpaper glued to one side and wheels screwed to the other right? |
| 01:15.03 | helix | they carry it in the "fragile" section |
| 01:15.07 | helix | luckily it came out ok |
| 01:15.11 | peterS | nvz: I think they use composite materials nowadays |
| 01:15.15 | debian | Bobguru: your answer shalt be answered in #knoppix |
| 01:15.15 | peterS | yeah, good deal |
| 01:15.16 | lord_of_scorn | good night all |
| 01:15.24 | nvz | I mean I've seen my friends do some wild things on those.. they dont break easy |
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| 01:15.25 | dondelelcaro | nvz: the plywood isn't that thick... and they break surprisingly often |
| 01:15.27 | Bobguru | debian: thanks |
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| 01:15.47 | JeF | streuner, it shows me that all these things are allready installed =( |
| 01:16.12 | JeF | streuner, it seems gnome not fully loaded |
| 01:16.36 | nvz | I had this friend in Pittsburgh who carried a fingerboard in his pocket all the time, and would practice tricks on it anytime he would see something to trick on |
| 01:16.59 | JeF | streuner, and I still get msg in console 'font renderer for 'pcf' allready registered at priority 0.....what does it means? |
| 01:17.00 | dondelelcaro | peterS: most standard street boards aren't... although, some of the wierd offroad ones and long boards are |
| 01:17.08 | nvz | personally I dont see how you get those little fingerboards to do that stuff, but he could do it like it was nothing |
| 01:17.27 | forgiven | What deb install can add packages via ndiswrapper (wireless g) net access only? If any? |
| 01:17.34 | peterS | dondelelcaro: ok, obviously you know this subject a lot better than I do (: I haven't owned a skateboard since ... I dunno, 1988 perhaps |
| 01:18.03 | simonrvn | gawds, a gentoobie in #ldap... |
| 01:18.04 | Craigwd_2000 | Would someone please answer my question? |
| 01:18.07 | nvz | its alot easier to work out a trick though on those without having to bust your ass a bunch of times working out the logistics |
| 01:18.11 | dondelelcaro | peterS: I actually don't really skate... I just have a lot of friends that do, and I grew up in the first city with a public skate park |
| 01:18.19 | peterS | simonrvn: one sees them frequently in #gcc, surprisingly enough (: |
| 01:18.27 | peterS | dondelelcaro: sure |
| 01:18.34 | simonrvn | Craigwd_2000: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 01:18.44 | simonrvn | peterS: i wonder why ;) |
| 01:18.50 | peterS | simonrvn: yeah, really |
| 01:19.08 | Craigwd_2000 | Why is it called build-essential? |
| 01:19.15 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: you cant imagine? |
| 01:19.27 | dondelelcaro | forgiven: you just need the driver for your G card. Presumably it's on the new d-i images, although you'll probably have to use linux26 |
| 01:19.34 | peterS | !qotd49 |
| 01:19.34 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 01:19.36 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: its a meta-package that depends on and provides all the essential packages for building |
| 01:19.38 | Craigwd_2000 | Well, I have ideas, I'm just not sure if they're right... |
| 01:19.48 | nvz | Craigwd_2000: its not _all_ the packages, but its the essentials |
| 01:19.54 | dondelelcaro | Craigwd_2000: so apt-cache show build-essential; and read. |
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| 01:20.34 | forgiven | dondelelcaro: Oh I though the TI chipset wasn't covered yet. Where should I look? |
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| 01:21.01 | nvz | hell I dont think b-e even provides fakeroot, though I think it recommends or suggests it.. I consider that to be essential for most anything ;) |
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| 01:21.12 | jasonf | !fakeroot |
| 01:21.12 | dpkg | from memory, fakeroot is a program that provides fake root environment, or a glorious hack that enables you to be root without actually being root. Usefull for creating tarballs with setuid 0 files in them. |
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| 01:21.20 | dondelelcaro | forgiven: well, first figure out if the TI chipset is supported by any kernel. If it's not, then you're pretty much out of luck |
| 01:21.42 | dondelelcaro | nvz: nah, it doesn't, since fakeroot isn't actually required (and the buildd's don't use it) |
| 01:21.56 | The_Ultimate_Sam | the audio in this file isnt working. im assuming its a lack of a codec but all codec packages i have seen are already installed. the folder says the files use vobsub(dont have that) ac3filter (got something ac3-like) and matroska(have) |
| 01:22.09 | The_Ultimate_Sam | is this a common error? |
| 01:22.15 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah I know why its not in there.. but you see how its quite important for some builds you dont need to run as root |
| 01:22.44 | simonrvn | fakeroot is useful for the users |
| 01:22.47 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I am just trying to make the point b-e is simple the most essential, and there is more to be desired in most circumstances |
| 01:22.51 | forgiven | dondelelcaro: So far, I've only had success with ndiswrapper only but it works. I guess woody is out though. |
| 01:23.03 | The_Ultimate_Sam | another file i had (also matroska) would only let me listen to the english audio and not the japanese audio |
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| 01:23.26 | The_Ultimate_Sam | which leads me to believe its the matroska codec |
| 01:23.29 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah. It possibly should be Suggests: by dpkg-deb |
| 01:23.32 | dondelelcaro | s/deb/dev/ |
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| 01:23.36 | forgiven | Sory I'm stucj in install hell but I tring by golly! |
| 01:23.36 | The_Ultimate_Sam | however i have many working mkv files |
| 01:23.51 | dondelelcaro | nvz: but then, most people who know about Suggests: already know about fakeroot... |
| 01:23.58 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ...any ideas? |
| 01:24.20 | dondelelcaro | forgiven: d-i should have ndiswrapper, iirc... you can actually use it to install woody, but it's slightly more complex. |
| 01:24.40 | forgiven | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 01:24.49 | The_Ultimate_Sam | is there something im missing? |
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| 01:25.09 | The_Ultimate_Sam | is the version of matroska that comes with debian out of date |
| 01:25.10 | dondelelcaro | forgiven: the typical way this works is you install a tiny sarge install, then use debootstrap to install woody the way you want it, move over the right kernel with the right modules, rerun lilo, and go from there. |
| 01:25.13 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah.. thats true. should maybe suggest in k-p too |
| 01:25.14 | The_Ultimate_Sam | and should be updated? |
| 01:26.05 | nvz | recommends and suggests and things like that blurr together if you dont study your debian policy manual |
| 01:26.41 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ...does ne1 know nething about playing mkv files in debian |
| 01:26.49 | nvz | I need to install the package, then next time the ISP fucks up I will have something to do.. heh |
| 01:27.10 | nvz | I can sit around and read the docs offline |
| 01:27.16 | dondelelcaro | nvz: recommends is not required, but a standard install would normally have it. Suggests: is something that you may or may not want |
| 01:27.17 | simonrvn | ok, i gave up, i submitted a sponsor request to debian-mentors |
| 01:27.35 | abrotman | !ne1 |
| 01:27.35 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 01:27.37 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ...am i visiblwe |
| 01:27.46 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ,,,can ne1 see my text? |
| 01:27.48 | simonrvn | no |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | !ne1 |
| 01:27.50 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 01:27.53 | The_Ultimate_Sam | good |
| 01:27.57 | The_Ultimate_Sam | thats progress |
| 01:28.09 | abrotman | can you stop talking like an idiot now? |
| 01:28.15 | The_Ultimate_Sam | now can someone help me with my audio problem |
| 01:28.32 | meff | !repeating |
| 01:28.32 | dpkg | We read your question the first time, and if we haven't replied, there's a good chance we either don't know, don't have time to answer, or someone doesn't like you. Repeating is annoying. |
| 01:28.34 | meff | :P |
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| 01:28.49 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ... |
| 01:28.59 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i know but id like to know which one it is |
| 01:29.01 | nvz | I am still familiarizing myself with all the tools and reading their documentation before I go through the whole new maint guide.. I figure the more background info I take into it, the more I will take away from the document |
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| 01:29.25 | forgiven | dondelelcaro: I was kinda looking forward to dist-upgrading woody to Sarge but I guess I can't due to the ndiswrapper current requirement for the TI chipset. But I'll serch yet again. |
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| 01:29.46 | The_Ultimate_Sam | keh |
| 01:29.48 | simonrvn | The_Ultimate_Sam: ask a straight question, then we can properly help you. /msg dpkg ask, /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 01:29.50 | forgiven | After all I had the 3.0 CDs |
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| 01:30.14 | The_Ultimate_Sam | it was a rather strait foreward question |
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| 01:30.47 | nvz | in hell they probably make you use gentoo |
| 01:30.58 | meff | lol |
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| 01:31.03 | peterS | nvz: on a machine with 12 MB of memory |
| 01:31.06 | Bobguru | does debian come on dvd? |
| 01:31.07 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:31.17 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ...that was my last computer |
| 01:31.20 | meff | more like a 386 |
| 01:31.21 | The_Ultimate_Sam | only it used windows |
| 01:31.23 | nvz | peterS: and nothing but a dot matrix printer and a punchcard reader? |
| 01:31.28 | Bobguru | what about running off a cd.. /me runs |
| 01:31.31 | peterS | nvz: something like that |
| 01:31.33 | nvz | heh |
| 01:32.04 | jonesy | and in hell this Bobguru dude is the network admin |
| 01:32.12 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i wonder what version matroska i use and if i need a newer version to get this audio |
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| 01:32.27 | Cray2 | wassabi |
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| 01:32.43 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ...where do i check the version of a codec |
| 01:32.51 | Bobguru | apt-get check codec |
| 01:32.59 | meff | hehe |
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| 01:33.08 | jonesy | The_Ultimate_Sam: www.whatversionismycodec.com |
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| 01:33.25 | simonrvn | ok, the #ldap gentoobie isn't as clueless as i thought at first |
| 01:33.32 | crunch | hey peeps, prob a simple Q! just installed sarge but its not mounting my cd-rom,usually thats because it hasnt enabled dma so i got hdparm and tried to enable dma but no go, any ideas please? |
| 01:34.05 | The_Vulture | crunch: how did you try to mount it? what did dmesg say? |
| 01:34.43 | crunch | The_Vulture, shouldnt it have automounted?tried in kde and it didnt work, so manually mounted and realised its vv slow |
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| 01:35.12 | The_Ultimate_Sam | no audio in an anime is unforgivable |
| 01:35.15 | crunch | The_Vulture, then when using hdparm i get HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 01:35.32 | hyur | hi, i just recompiled my kernel, but now when i try to download packages i get errors like 'Something wicked happened resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org:http' (-3)'. is there something i forgot to enable? |
| 01:35.35 | nvz | ^_^ Anime .. puh |
| 01:35.44 | debian | hentai... |
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| 01:36.08 | nvz | I guess I dont do enough drugs to understand some things |
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| 01:36.48 | debian | nvz: I know a group of people who organized themselves to promote the idea of drugs can improve creativeness. You must be one of them. :) |
| 01:36.59 | nvz | and I dont plan to, so I guess I will always be in the dark to what the hell the Beatles are talking about, or what Anime is about |
| 01:37.01 | simonrvn | secretly he is |
| 01:37.03 | leOn | hey |
| 01:37.07 | simonrvn | oop, did i say that? |
| 01:37.15 | stew | simonrvn: no you didn't |
| 01:37.25 | debian | simonrvn: he obeys the first rule and doesn't talk about it |
| 01:37.41 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:38.09 | nvz | debian: nope alot of things just dont make sense to my way of thinking, and I attribute them to massive drug use |
| 01:38.26 | nvz | debian: of the people who come up with the shit, that is |
| 01:38.27 | Cray2 | nvz: drugs or not, you cant understand anime |
| 01:38.36 | Cray2 | nvz: the beatles, well... i dunno bout them |
| 01:38.40 | hyur | or where could i get help with that problem? |
| 01:38.53 | nvz | no but I figure on some good hallucinigens you could find it entertaining as some do |
| 01:39.12 | nvz | I however find it annoying.. which I why I said I must not have done enough drugs to understand |
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| 01:39.37 | simonrvn | hyur: sounds more like a dns or other network issue than a kernel thing (unless you forgot, say network or NIC driver support ;) |
| 01:39.40 | Cray2 | for god's sake can anyone tell me why the blue tables at the top on http://216.198.98.179 dont stretch across the screen (i.e. 100%) ? it's &$%#@$ annoying |
| 01:39.47 | debian | nvz: I believe people always comes to you with some shit inside their arse?.... |
| 01:40.19 | debian | nvz: I'm afraid I've just induce you taking more drugs... |
| 01:40.40 | crunch | fixed the mount issue, now i still cant enable dma though :( |
| 01:40.41 | dark_light | can anybody gives me your input of "du -h /tmp" ? i wanna know how large a /tmp partition needs to be |
| 01:40.44 | dondelelcaro | Cray2: your website is running IIS and is fucked. |
| 01:40.47 | nvz | na, I am going to go hunt the wabbit on bzflag |
| 01:40.55 | Cray2 | dondelelcaro: it's only for testing purposes :) |
| 01:40.58 | nvz | drugs are bad, mmkay |
| 01:41.03 | abrotman | Cray2: can't be displayed |
| 01:41.04 | Bobguru | Cray2: becuase you have width="770" ? |
| 01:41.06 | dondelelcaro | "HTTP 403.9 - Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected" |
| 01:41.07 | Cray2 | eventually it will be teh host0r on apache |
| 01:41.22 | abrotman | funny .. all i get is forbidden |
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| 01:41.31 | jonesy | !teh |
| 01:41.31 | dpkg | Broken keyboard or hand |
| 01:41.33 | abrotman | Cray2: where's the article? |
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| 01:42.04 | shingouz | Cray2: on galeon the blue thingies are 100% width |
| 01:42.22 | Cray2 | yeah they're 100% on firefox too |
| 01:42.25 | Cray2 | but &^#%$@#$ IE doesnt show them |
| 01:42.27 | gteppel | Is there an easy way/program that will make the boot up sequence graphically nice (like Gentoo/Red Hat). When I say graphically nice I mean all the services are nicely formatted with an 'OK' or 'FAIL' status |
| 01:42.32 | Cray2 | and i have to make this site IE compatible |
| 01:42.33 | nvz | teh is a word.. listen to "Smells like teen spirit" by Nirvana, when he screams, I dont care what he's trying to say.. it sounds like "teh" to me |
| 01:42.43 | Cray2 | i think my connection is about to drop ent irely |
| 01:42.49 | Cray2 | ill be back if it does !! |
| 01:42.52 | Bobguru | nvz: interesting .. |
| 01:42.59 | abrotman | Cray2: i can make a good guess .... |
| 01:43.01 | dondelelcaro | uh, they're not 100% on firefox |
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| 01:43.06 | abrotman | Cray2: you wrote it in FrontPage |
| 01:43.10 | Cray2 | no ididnt |
| 01:43.11 | Cray2 | it's a template |
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| 01:43.23 | Bobguru | taht was taken from frontpage .. ? |
| 01:43.30 | dondelelcaro | Cray2: it's time to learn CSS and do your page layout properly |
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| 01:44.31 | nvz | ah ah ah, come hewe wittwe bunny wabbit ;) |
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| 01:45.58 | darkgamer | hello everyone |
| 01:46.01 | stew | !bunnies |
| 01:46.01 | dpkg | Bunnies are evil. Just look at their long ears and the way they twitch their noses. They're evil i tell you! And the reason they don't wear glasses, is because they use contacts. |
| 01:46.05 | hyur | simonrvn: it works fine when i switch back to the old kernel, and my nic and networking are enabled. i was kind of thinking there is some networking option i've missed |
| 01:46.20 | nvz | wabbit season! |
| 01:47.10 | darkgamer | can someone help me get a email server going please I would really apperciate it. I got half o it done already |
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| 01:47.16 | abrotman | !bunnicula stew |
| 01:47.18 | nite_fly | anyone in here use unix ? |
| 01:47.22 | TheStar | Man, running Debian stable is actually quite nice! |
| 01:47.29 | stew | oh my |
| 01:47.36 | TheStar | stew: Yes? |
| 01:47.51 | stew | no |
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| 01:48.07 | darkgamer | can someone help me with an email server |
| 01:48.25 | stew | darkgamer: tell us what's not working and what you've tried so far |
| 01:48.43 | TheStar | darkgamer: Also, specify what email server you are running. |
| 01:48.44 | abrotman | darkgamer: and is it on debian? |
| 01:48.51 | darkgamer | yes |
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| 01:48.54 | stew | < nvz> I thought bzflag was that wire-frame tank game that sucked ass |
| 01:48.56 | darkgamer | i am using exim |
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| 01:49.00 | stew | seems like only yesterday... hehe |
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| 01:49.09 | darkgamer | and qpopper as an pop3 client |
| 01:49.16 | clusty | how is it possible to read cue and bin images under debian? |
| 01:49.23 | darkgamer | *server pop3 server |
| 01:49.28 | darkgamer | not client |
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| 01:49.58 | abrotman | oh well |
| 01:50.01 | Piru | clusty, mplayer does .bin directly |
| 01:50.01 | abrotman | guess he didn't want help |
| 01:50.18 | abrotman | !tell clusty about mplayer |
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| 01:50.42 | clusty | Piru: it's a game :-D |
| 01:50.52 | Piru | well :) |
| 01:50.53 | darkgamer20 | stew are you there? |
| 01:51.00 | stew | darkgamer20: i am |
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| 01:51.07 | abrotman | clusty: it's a windows game .. play it on windows |
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| 01:51.15 | stew | clusty: talk to the distributor of the game and tell them to distribute it in a better format |
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| 01:51.25 | abrotman | stew: good one :) |
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| 01:51.40 | nvz | stew: it was like 3 days ago now IIRC, and yeah I didnt know it had textures, lighting, different modes of game play, with different flags, and a huge online following |
| 01:51.46 | clusty | stew: sure. whatever you say ocifer :-D |
| 01:52.03 | abrotman | clusty: then don't ask us |
| 01:52.12 | abrotman | clusty: we're not obliged to help you pirate software |
| 01:52.27 | stew | nvz: mr. MyDesktopIsA486 is impressed by the graphics? say it isn't so :) |
| 01:52.28 | darkgamer20 | stew>ok I have Debian Sarge with exim and qpopper, I got them with apt-get and I do not do any configuration because I didn't use them before |
| 01:52.33 | nvz | stew: I thought it was a cheap boring head-to-head shaded vector tank battle game that was worse than that gawd aweful netpanzer |
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| 01:52.57 | herbi | nvz, you are not a very nice boy. |
| 01:53.02 | clusty | abrotman: thanx anyways. it is not pirate. I bought the licence lawfully from a russian shop (a dvd loaded with images) :-D |
| 01:53.09 | nvz | stew: after reading the manpage, I know now it has 3 modes of gameplay and all the different special flags there are |
| 01:53.27 | abrotman | clusty: fine .. ask them |
| 01:53.28 | nvz | stew: hey, I have been off the 486 for a long time now, thank you ;) |
| 01:53.34 | stew | :) |
| 01:53.39 | darkgamer20 | stew can you help me? |
| 01:53.40 | stew | darkgamer20: whats not working, what have you tried? |
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| 01:53.47 | stew | darkgamer20: dpkg-reconfigure exim for starters |
| 01:53.47 | darkgamer20 | stew>ok I have Debian Sarge with exim and qpopper, I got them with apt-get and I do not do any configuration because I didn't use them before |
| 01:53.51 | nvz | stew: I've been off of the 586 officially for like 3 days now |
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| 01:54.09 | nvz | stew: I am living the 686 life now, with 3d accell |
| 01:54.12 | Piru | darkgamer, so basically you're telling us you haven't even tried to configure it by yourself? |
| 01:54.17 | TheStar | darkgamer20: Didn't even answer the questions that were asked during installation? |
| 01:54.25 | darkgamer20 | yes I need help |
| 01:54.44 | darkgamer20 | configuring exim and qpopper |
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| 01:54.49 | abrotman | holy shit |
| 01:55.04 | abrotman | darkgamer20: did you try running 'eximconfig' ? |
| 01:55.10 | darkgamer20 | no |
| 01:55.14 | darkgamer20 | i will try now |
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| 01:55.49 | Piru | have some trust on yourself.. read the manual, try tinkering around. the worst that can happen is that you need to reinstall, or you turn your box into open proxy.. :) |
| 01:56.01 | craig | hi, i'm having problems formatting a partition as FAT32 ... it's a 30GB drive and using fdisk it's partition type 0B which is W95 FAT32 ... when i run mkfs.vfat on it, it tells me that the disk is too large... any ideas? |
| 01:56.05 | Piru | s/trust/faith/ |
| 01:56.06 | darkgamer20 | abrotman> eximconfig dosen't work, it says cammand not found |
| 01:56.12 | darkgamer20 | *command |
| 01:56.25 | abrotman | darkgamer20: which version of debian? |
| 01:56.29 | darkgamer20 | sarge |
| 01:56.39 | abrotman | then you're using exim4 |
| 01:56.45 | darkgamer20 | yes |
| 01:56.56 | abrotman | maybe you shld tell us that next time |
| 01:56.58 | Piru | craig, the partition is too large |
| 01:57.12 | darkgamer20 | abrotman>sorry :( |
| 01:57.16 | Piru | craig, I guess. it should do 32 in theory.. |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | darkgamer20: ask #exim |
| 01:57.33 | darkgamer20 | ok |
| 01:58.03 | stew | darkgamer20: eximconfig is probably in /usr/sbin |
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| 01:58.16 | Piru | craig, tried smaller one just to see if it really is the size? |
| 01:58.37 | sleek | Piru: i tried 30GB only ... i haven't tried smaller than that |
| 01:58.44 | sleek | Piru: but i thought that it didn't matter? |
| 01:58.50 | abrotman | stew: yeah . i have eximconfig .. but i don't knwo if i have exim4 .. nor do i care :) |
| 01:59.18 | Piru | sleek, hmmm yeah in fact fat32 should do upto 127GB or so. weird |
| 01:59.32 | sleek | Piru: mkfs.vfat /dev/hda6 is the correct way right? |
| 01:59.33 | abrotman | cafuego: did you pee your pants? |
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| 01:59.44 | cafuego | Piru: It's a MS filesystem, it can't handle files > 4 Gb, it broken by design. |
| 01:59.55 | Piru | cafuego, sure. :) |
| 01:59.55 | cafuego | abrotman: Nearly, when David Hasselhof showed up! |
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| 02:00.05 | abrotman | fat32 can go larger than 4GB .. as can NTFS(now) |
| 02:00.14 | abrotman | cafuego: what did he do to Bob? |
| 02:00.14 | Piru | sleek, wouldn't know that.. I haven't seen fat partition in years, nor created one :) |
| 02:00.18 | sleek | cafuego: what's the best way to partition so that i can share between windows and linux? |
| 02:00.29 | abrotman | sleek: fat32 |
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| 02:00.42 | sleek | abrotman: yes, but as i have just mentioned, it won't let me do it |
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| 02:00.50 | abrotman | sleek: do it from windows? |
| 02:01.09 | Piru | abrotman, hmmmm fat32 can't do >4gb files imo |
| 02:01.10 | abrotman | sleek: try a smaller partition first? |
| 02:01.16 | sleek | abrotman: good idea, but how can i be certain that i'm formatting the correct one? |
| 02:01.16 | abrotman | yes it can |
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| 02:01.21 | Piru | since when? |
| 02:02.03 | sleek | ok, i'll try smaller ... thanks guys |
| 02:02.03 | abrotman | !fuck comcast dns |
| 02:02.25 | abrotman | Piru: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp |
| 02:02.29 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 02:02.34 | Piru | abrotman, m$ says the maximum file size is 4 GB minus 1 |
| 02:02.43 | abrotman | the maximum FAT32 volume size that Windows XP Professional can format is 32 GB. |
| 02:02.44 | hyur | my linux box is connected to a cable router, the network connection and all that is configured automatically by dhcp. what specific networking options do i need enabled in the kernel for just normal internet use? or where can i find help with this? |
| 02:03.07 | abrotman | Piru: read the link .. |
| 02:03.11 | Piru | abrotman, "Maximum file size 4 GB minus 1 byte (232 bytes minus 1 byte)" |
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| 02:03.39 | hyur | i can't download packages anymore now that i've recompiled |
| 02:03.47 | abrotman | Each file system supports a maximum volume size, file size, and number of files per volume. Because FAT16 and FAT32 volumes are limited to 4 GB and 32 GB respectively, you must use NTFS to create volumes larger than 32 GB. If you use FAT16 or FAT32 in computers that start multiple operating systems, you must note the following size limitations: |
| 02:03.52 | abrotman | i win |
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| 02:04.08 | scarynetworkguy | !win abrotman |
| 02:04.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 02:04.09 | sussudio | Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-041 - Vulnerability in WordPad Could Allow Code Execution (885836) |
| 02:04.12 | sussudio | ... |
| 02:04.19 | Piru | excuse me |
| 02:04.29 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 02:04.32 | Piru | we talked about fat32 |
| 02:04.36 | bjron | I just got a new nvidia video card, and got it working with no trouble using module assist, but then when I rebooted gdm failed to start the xserver because it couldn't initialize the nvidia module |
| 02:04.38 | Piru | which limits files to 4GB |
| 02:04.39 | abrotman | no shit |
| 02:04.42 | abrotman | what does the link sya? |
| 02:04.45 | abrotman | did you even read it? |
| 02:04.54 | sussudio | *remote* code execution from wordpad? |
| 02:04.59 | abrotman | Piru: when is the last time you used a fat32 win32 box? |
| 02:05.04 | Piru | abrotman, "Maximum file size 4 GB minus 1 byte (232 bytes minus 1 byte)" |
| 02:05.15 | abrotman | Piru: where .. where the FUCK DO YOU READ THAT |
| 02:05.18 | bjron | so if I do 'module-assistant auto-install nvidia' again it works again, but also fails if I reboot |
| 02:05.19 | abrotman | stop spouting it |
| 02:05.28 | Piru | abrotman, http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp |
| 02:05.34 | tlivingston | anyone know how to use SSH X11Forwarding? |
| 02:05.35 | bjron | so I don't know what's wrong |
| 02:05.41 | abrotman | Piru: you dumbfuck .. read it again |
| 02:05.43 | shingouz | sussudio: one has to wonder what does *not* allow remote code execution on a windows computer. the mouse perhaps? ;) |
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| 02:05.51 | abrotman | Piru: you're so stupid .. read what that says |
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| 02:06.08 | bjron | another mysterious occurence is that 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' no longer writes my config file for me |
| 02:06.17 | bjron | I have to run dexconf after for it to actually get written |
| 02:06.22 | abrotman | Piru: and if you still think you're right ... read it again |
| 02:06.30 | sussudio | shingouz: wireless mice. |
| 02:06.30 | Piru | seriously |
| 02:06.33 | bjron | anybody know what I might have borked? |
| 02:06.36 | dondelelcaro | bjron: /msg dpkg x md5 |
| 02:06.44 | abrotman | Piru: read |
| 02:06.45 | abrotman | Maximum file size 4 GB minus 1 byte (232 bytes minus 1 byte) |
| 02:06.45 | abrotman | Maximum volume size32 GB (implementation) |
| 02:06.46 | doubleh1 | Why is not "plugin support" included in the konqueror configuration pannel in SID ? |
| 02:06.47 | shingouz | sussudio: wihtout batteries perhaps? |
| 02:06.47 | abrotman | what does that say? |
| 02:06.49 | Piru | abrotman, it says the fat32 limit is 4GB. where does it say otherwise? |
| 02:06.52 | abrotman | dumb fuck |
| 02:06.59 | abrotman | FILE SIZE |
| 02:07.03 | abrotman | VOLUME SIZER |
| 02:07.03 | Piru | yes file size |
| 02:07.05 | abrotman | err size |
| 02:07.08 | Piru | we talked about FILE SIZE |
| 02:07.09 | abrotman | he wants a partition |
| 02:07.10 | abrotman | a format |
| 02:07.11 | Piru | idiot |
| 02:07.18 | abrotman | he wants a larger partition |
| 02:07.27 | Piru | so? |
| 02:07.31 | Piru | this wasn't about partition size |
| 02:07.35 | abrotman | and you're all telling him to make a smaller partition because fat32 doesn't support >4GB partitions |
| 02:07.58 | abrotman | grr .. forget it .. |
| 02:07.59 | abrotman | i don't care |
| 02:08.00 | Piru | check the log. see a mention about 4 GB *file limit* |
| 02:08.02 | abrotman | do whatever you want |
| 02:08.04 | Piru | I commented that. see? |
| 02:08.07 | Piru | idiot |
| 02:08.14 | kbrooks | can i settle this |
| 02:08.17 | abrotman | no .. |
| 02:08.25 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 02:08.26 | dpkg | hmm... sing blame canada is well, blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 02:08.50 | Piru | abrotman, if you're so stupid you can't check who am I replying to, it's your loss |
| 02:08.59 | abrotman | it is .. i don't care |
| 02:09.02 | abrotman | i'm a fucking asshole |
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| 02:09.08 | abrotman | my boss thinks so too |
| 02:09.20 | nvz | heh |
| 02:09.26 | abrotman | he keeps trying to fire me |
| 02:09.28 | abrotman | it's fun .. |
| 02:09.43 | nvz | abrotman: does he ever ask you if you are going to do any work today? |
| 02:09.49 | cafuego | abrotman: I mentioned a 4GB file size limit and concluded fat32 was shit. |
| 02:09.58 | abrotman | i say .. you can't run your company without me .. and he says .. fuck . i hate you .. and we go happily a long |
| 02:10.06 | tlivingston | im trying to get apps to run remotely, but aparently im doing something wrong.. anyone familiar wiht that? |
| 02:10.18 | Piru | cafuego, no nooo. don't start!! |
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| 02:10.24 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm done .. don't care |
| 02:10.32 | abrotman | cafuego: it's not worth it .. it's fat32 |
| 02:10.41 | abrotman | now .. xfs .. there's a FS :) |
| 02:10.51 | Piru | fat16 |
| 02:10.57 | nvz | yeah thats gaurenteed to be impossible to recover |
| 02:11.05 | tlivingston | i keep getting "can't open display" errors |
| 02:11.07 | crunch | peeps , any ideas why it wont let me enable dma on my dvd-rw drive? |
| 02:11.27 | abrotman | nvz: i do prefer ext3 .. but whatever |
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| 02:11.45 | Piru | eek, my fs are ext3 too. better reformat |
| 02:12.20 | nvz | xfs will use the most recently deleted blocks for the next blocks to write to. one of the many ways its a PITA for any kind of recovery |
| 02:12.20 | abrotman | you should |
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| 02:13.16 | sbk | who needs a stinkin' file system anyway :-) |
| 02:13.21 | nvz | heh |
| 02:13.35 | Piru | yeah. lets cat to/from device directly |
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| 02:14.27 | bjron | most likely be back : |
| 02:14.28 | bjron | :p |
| 02:14.32 | abrotman | you wish |
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| 02:15.55 | abrotman | can we have a party? |
| 02:16.20 | Piru | not really, I'd ruin it |
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| 02:17.06 | abrotman | Piru: i don't think so .. |
| 02:17.16 | abrotman | Piru: now .. all of #debian would ruin it ... |
| 02:17.20 | abrotman | i bet dpkg just can't dance |
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| 02:17.23 | abrotman | !dance |
| 02:17.28 | abrotman | oh crap |
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| 02:18.04 | dan2 | abrotman: hey |
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| 02:18.07 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
| 02:18.20 | dan2 | abrotman: tried the best homemade food creation |
| 02:18.27 | abrotman | dan2: chili? |
| 02:18.45 | dan2 | abrotman: I took yesterday's boboli pizza, added pepperoni bacon and chicken, and stuck it on the george foreman |
| 02:18.48 | dan2 | abrotman: it was so tasty |
| 02:18.59 | abrotman | dan2: that doesn't sound healthy |
| 02:19.14 | Guerin | but it's the george foreman grill! |
| 02:19.24 | Guerin | it must make healty food! |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | dan2: i think it's the leftover pizza :) |
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| 02:20.01 | abrotman | i like reheating the chinese on the stove |
| 02:20.32 | xuxa | evening all... is anyone here using DeMuDi? |
| 02:20.52 | dan2 | abrotman: eww, reheated chinese food is nasty |
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| 02:21.04 | abrotman | dan2: in the microwave .. yes |
| 02:21.09 | abrotman | dan2: pan fried .. it's great |
| 02:21.16 | dan2 | abrotman: ugh, probably still crappy |
| 02:21.20 | abrotman | xuxa: that's not debian is it? |
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| 02:21.32 | abrotman | dan2: i do it a lot . it's very good .. mostly general tso's |
| 02:21.41 | xuxa | abrotman: it's the Debian Multimedia Distribution... a flavor of Debian |
| 02:21.47 | abrotman | !demudi |
| 02:21.47 | dpkg | demudi is, like, Debian Multimedia Distribution, a distro optimized for audio and multimedia work, based on Debian. DeMuDi is available at http://www.agnula.org/ |
| 02:21.53 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 02:21.53 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 02:21.54 | mookie | hi, is it possible to run Debian in 64bit mode on an AMD64 processor? |
| 02:21.56 | xuxa | :) |
| 02:21.58 | dan2 | abrotman: Easy (Mostly) A for a Project, make 31 potato latkas as a project for S.S. on the Middle-East |
| 02:22.02 | abrotman | mookie: #debian-amd64 |
| 02:22.02 | dondelelcaro | mookie: yes. |
| 02:22.02 | dan2 | abrotman: its already approved |
| 02:22.15 | abrotman | dan2: you have to make latkes? |
| 02:22.28 | mookie | thanks :) |
| 02:22.33 | xuxa | dan2: sounds like a good project. :) |
| 02:22.39 | abrotman | and why 31? |
| 02:22.42 | xuxa | hehe |
| 02:23.01 | Flimzy | I have just noticed a very odd behavior on a 486DX2/66 ADSL router box I have running at my parent's house... When I run ping, to _any_ address, including on the 'net, the local network, or even localhost, random ping requests result in a "Operation not permitted". Anywhere from 10%-70% of the ping requests do this. The others work just fine. What on earth might cause this? |
| 02:23.02 | abrotman | xuxa: you can ask us .. it may or may not work |
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| 02:23.40 | xuxa | abrotman: thank you... I'm just trying to figure out what to use in sources.list for a DeMuDi 1.0 install... I've had trouble locating the sources just with googling |
| 02:23.42 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Rate-limiting iptables rules? |
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| 02:23.52 | abrotman | xuxa: oh .. that i don't know |
| 02:23.59 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Nope... don't even have QoS type stuff in the kernel |
| 02:24.00 | xuxa | abrotman: thanks anyway, though. :) |
| 02:24.16 | abrotman | xuxa: did you check the project page? |
| 02:24.20 | Wyzard | Flimzy: I don't think it's dependent on QoS |
| 02:24.46 | Flimzy | Wyzard: My parents began complaining of odd Internet problems ~2 mos ago... There have been no configuratoin changes made to the router box in well over a year, tho |
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| 02:24.57 | xuxa | abrotman: yes... and I've only found info for the latest version (DeMuDi 1.2)... It seems like this shouldn't be so hard to track down but... |
| 02:24.57 | Wyzard | Flimzy: dunno then |
| 02:25.15 | Flimzy | I would think NIC failure, but then the problem happens when pinging localhost, too |
| 02:25.31 | Flimzy | I suppose I can go ahead and clear all ipchains rules for the heck of it |
| 02:25.44 | Wyzard | Flimzy: ipchains? 2.2 kernel? |
| 02:25.50 | abrotman | xuxa: says 1.0 is obsolete |
| 02:25.57 | Flimzy | Wyzard: 2.4.20 |
| 02:26.05 | Wyzard | Flimzy: You should use iptables |
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| 02:26.10 | xuxa | abrotman: yes, I'm hoping to apt-get dist-upgrade once I figure out the sources. :) |
| 02:26.12 | Flimzy | Dec 15 17:29:49 wardrobe kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. |
| 02:26.13 | xuxa | catch-22 |
| 02:26.16 | Flimzy | PErhaps that's a clue |
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| 02:26.31 | Wyzard | Flimzy: aha |
| 02:26.39 | Wyzard | Flimzy: So, too many open connections |
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| 02:26.54 | Flimzy | Wyzard: I guess so... is there a way to increase the max number of connections? |
| 02:27.08 | abrotman | xuxa: no irc channel for it? |
| 02:27.23 | Wyzard | Flimzy: I'd first look into why there are so many open connections to begin with... it could very well mean one of the systems in the house has a worm or spambot on it |
| 02:27.34 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Good call |
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| 02:27.46 | xuxa | abrotman: there are *two* actually... #agnula and #demudi... but I've been asking for a few days and noone seems to be around |
| 02:27.52 | xuxa | abrotman: thank you for the moral support |
| 02:27.54 | xuxa | :) |
| 02:28.03 | abrotman | i fucking hate comcast dns |
| 02:28.29 | Wyzard | abrotman: Why's that? |
| 02:28.30 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Are there any tools that will concisely tell me how many connections are open, and roughly what they are? |
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| 02:28.51 | stew | abrotman: why not run your own? |
| 02:28.59 | abrotman | xuxa: http://www.agnula.org/download/demudi/demudi_1_0_apt |
| 02:29.04 | abrotman | xuxa: that doesn't help? |
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| 02:29.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: cause it doesn't work half the time |
| 02:29.52 | Wyzard | Flimzy: netstat and lsof can show connections originating from the local system, but I'm not sure if they work for stuff in the conntrack table... I'd tend to doubt it |
| 02:30.05 | xuxa | abrotman: ah... so close. Those don't seem to work.. I tried earlier. |
| 02:30.15 | abrotman | xuxa: why not? |
| 02:30.24 | Wyzard | abrotman: I've never had any problems with it, though admittedly I run my own caching DNS on top of it |
| 02:30.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: i really should .. i don't |
| 02:30.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: or use the work dns servers |
| 02:30.54 | FieldySnuts | badgers |
| 02:31.15 | Wyzard | abrotman: I did it mostly because I wanted usable hostnames for the systems in the house, without having to maintain a hosts file on each |
| 02:31.16 | FieldySnuts | have the caching dns server do forwarding, and point it at the work servers for that |
| 02:31.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: understandable |
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| 02:31.40 | xuxa | abrotman: oh wait! |
| 02:31.44 | abrotman | Wyzard: maybe i should blame the little router |
| 02:31.46 | Wyzard | abrotman: btw, Verizon is installing fiber in my neighborhood this week |
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| 02:31.48 | abrotman | xuxa: ok! |
| 02:31.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: you suck |
| 02:31.56 | abrotman | Wyzard: are you buying? |
| 02:32.07 | xuxa | abrotman: it's working!!! I had used deb http://apt.agnula.org/demudi stable main |
| 02:32.13 | abrotman | see . |
| 02:32.16 | abrotman | computers fear me |
| 02:32.16 | xuxa | but I didn't need "demudi" |
| 02:32.21 | xuxa | abrotman: you're amazing!!! |
| 02:32.31 | Wyzard | abrotman: I think we're sticking with Comcast for now, but we might switch if Verizon offers more bandwidth... they certainly have the capability, with fiber all the way to the house |
| 02:32.42 | xuxa | abrotman: thanks so much! Man, I feel like a tool for not finding that myself... |
| 02:32.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: do it! |
| 02:32.54 | abrotman | xuxa: it's ok .. i read the faq :) |
| 02:33.18 | xuxa | abrotman: :) thanks again, yo |
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| 02:34.30 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'd do it . the FTTP deal looked really really good |
| 02:34.30 | budluva | anyone know of any postfix admin .debs? |
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| 02:34.37 | abrotman | postfix admin? |
| 02:34.39 | abrotman | like .. vi? |
| 02:34.49 | budluva | ? |
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| 02:34.57 | abrotman | wtf is postfix admin |
| 02:35.00 | abrotman | i just use vi |
| 02:35.04 | TheTom | any tips for playing dvd's? i can't get ogle to wirk, it gives an error message. i don't have mplayer installed either |
| 02:35.07 | Wyzard | abrotman: My understanding is that they're doing it mostly so they can offer TV service, since Comcast is stealing Verizon's traditional market by offering VoIP |
| 02:35.24 | abrotman | Wyzard: makes sense .. comcast rocked the wrong boat on that one :) |
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| 02:36.52 | TheTom | FATAL[ogle_mpeg_ps]: dvdreadblocks failed <--- this might be the dvdrom or the disc i guess? but both should be ok. anything else i have to do to watch dvd than apt-get install ogle? |
| 02:36.54 | Wyzard | abrotman: Actually, I'm hoping that Comcast raises its bandwidth cap to compete with Verizon's new capability, so I'll have less motivation to switch, because I think PPPoE is ugly compared to DHCP like cable broadband uses |
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| 02:37.09 | abrotman | Wyzard: i wasn't aware FTTP was PPPoE |
| 02:37.38 | Wyzard | abrotman: DSL in general uses PPPoE; if FTTP does things differently, I'm not aware of it |
| 02:37.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: well .. cable doesn't need PPPoE |
| 02:38.07 | abrotman | Wyzard: so it could work the same way |
| 02:38.13 | Wyzard | true |
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| 02:38.34 | Wyzard | I suppose I should look into it, anyway |
| 02:38.38 | Guerin | not all adsl is pppoe |
| 02:38.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: i would guess .. if they use like managed switches .. they could just turn it off |
| 02:38.54 | Guerin | mine isn't, anyway; just plug-in-and-dhcp |
| 02:38.54 | abrotman | dunno how it works either |
| 02:38.55 | Wyzard | Guerin: I know, but it's the most common means |
| 02:39.01 | findme | how do i make a disk image of my current system so that I can overlay the image on a new disk ? |
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| 02:39.25 | Wyzard | findme: You can do it with 'dd', but it's a bad idea unless the new disk is the same size as the old one |
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| 02:39.46 | Guerin | findme: I'd use tar and rsync |
| 02:39.48 | Wyzard | findme: If you're changing sizes, it's better to use a dump tool |
| 02:40.44 | gteppel | Is there an easy way/program that will make the boot up sequence graphically nice (like Gentoo/Red Hat). When I say graphically nice I mean all the services are nicely formatted with an 'OK' or 'FAIL' status |
| 02:41.11 | Wyzard | gteppel: Probably not... you'd have to modify all the initscripts to do that |
| 02:41.15 | gteppel | Wyzard: ok |
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| 02:42.32 | bjron | can someone clue me in to how I can have a look at *all* of the messages printed to my console at boot time? 'dmesg' only gets part way through :( |
| 02:42.35 | abrotman | i really thought there was a program you could install to do that |
| 02:43.22 | Wyzard | The way it's currently done is with "echo" commands in the initscripts |
| 02:43.51 | Wyzard | which would have to be changed individually |
| 02:44.02 | Flimzy | Is there a way to increase the maximum number of open connections on a router box? |
| 02:44.07 | Wyzard | You might be thinking of file-rc, but that does something different |
| 02:44.07 | abrotman | i really think there's a program that does it .. i just can't remmeber what it's called |
| 02:44.32 | Wyzard | or the Linux Progress Patch, but AFAIK that only deals with the kernel's startup, up to the point where it runs init |
| 02:44.49 | TheTom | is there a prog i can apt-get like eject only it loads the tray? |
| 02:45.00 | corallis | if i am using KDE as my window manager, is there any reason to keep Gnome and all of its libraries? does KDE need the gnome libraries for any reason to run certain programs? |
| 02:45.06 | Flimzy | TheTom: inject? |
| 02:45.12 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Have you determined that those connections are all legitimate? |
| 02:45.19 | abrotman | TheTom: say what? |
| 02:45.22 | The_Vulture | TheTom: try mounting a CD, it'll automatically bring the tray in.. I think.. |
| 02:45.24 | Wyzard | TheTom: eject -t |
| 02:45.32 | Flimzy | Wyzard: I eliminated some that were not... but the vast majority are. |
| 02:45.40 | bjron | abrotman: I think I read something about it on the deebian weekly news a while back maybe |
| 02:45.41 | TheTom | Wyzard: cool |
| 02:45.48 | The_Vulture | or not.. what Wyzard said |
| 02:46.06 | Wyzard | Flimzy: I've never run into that limit on my router, even running P2P clients on several computers at once |
| 02:46.14 | The_Vulture | nope, mount does it too.. |
| 02:46.29 | abrotman | bjron: as do i |
| 02:46.35 | Flimzy | Wyzard: It is indeed a P2P client that appears to be creating most of the connections. |
| 02:46.57 | Wyzard | TheTom: The "cdtool" connection also provides both "cdeject" and "cdclose" |
| 02:47.01 | bjron | too bad I can't remember what it was called thogh :p |
| 02:47.03 | Wyzard | s/connection/package/ |
| 02:47.13 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Is that limit RAM- (or other system resources) dependant? If so, the default limits may be quite low for this box (a guess on my part) |
| 02:47.22 | Wyzard | Flimzy: They might be; I don't konw |
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| 02:47.38 | Flimzy | Wyzard: This box has only 16mb physical RAM |
| 02:47.43 | TheTom | Wyzard: yeah, i saw apt suggested it. what are some more features of cdtool? |
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| 02:47.51 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Mine has 32 |
| 02:48.05 | Wyzard | so maybe |
| 02:48.16 | davidj | After I installed debian, I get GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB |
| 02:48.23 | davidj | What should I check first? |
| 02:48.32 | border87 | grub |
| 02:48.34 | border87 | :) |
| 02:48.43 | jstevens | grubs! |
| 02:49.03 | Wyzard | TheTom: It's just a collection of little utilities... cdeject, cdplay, cdinfo, etc. |
| 02:49.14 | TheTom | ok |
| 02:50.28 | abrotman | i didn't know grub could do that |
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| 02:53.02 | ferret | It can't afaik |
| 02:54.03 | budluva | hrmm, i have 2 blank lines in vi, the rest have ~, will those blank lines effect mysql? ie how do i get them all to show ~ because i think mysql is picky isnt it? |
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| 02:54.44 | BullWeivelz | hrmmmm..... checking for gcc... gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 02:54.44 | BullWeivelz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.09 | gratuit | how do I go about having a nice splash screen on boot rather than scrolling kernel messages? would I use grub to do that? or is it handled by something else? |
| 02:55.20 | Wyzard | Bulldog: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 02:55.35 | initech | davidj: grub gettin its grub on, that's all |
| 02:55.51 | BullWeivelz | Wyzard: blah! forgot about that package :( |
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| 02:55.58 | BullWeivelz | thankz |
| 02:56.55 | crunch | think i found out why my drives arent workin in dma. NFORCE2: neither IDE port enabled (BIOS) |
| 02:57.13 | crunch | they ARE enabled though, has anyone seen that problem before? |
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| 02:58.10 | Wyzard | crunch: I've seen it with a different controller, a Promise FastTrak... later versions of the drive had a "Special UDMA" feature as a config option which fixes it somehow |
| 02:58.43 | Wyzard | crunch: I think there might have been a fix that didn't involve use of that kernel option, but I don't remember what it was |
| 02:59.03 | davidj | initech: any idea what I can check? I can boot the install cd and chroot into the new system, but the CD and the disk don't have the same kernel so I can't get LVM started. |
| 02:59.06 | crunch | Wyzard, im using 2.6.8-10 kernel, dya think 2.6.9 might sort it? |
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| 02:59.34 | Wyzard | crunch: Unless they've added a new kernel option specifically for that purpose, it's unlikely |
| 03:00.16 | Wyzard | crunch: Do some research with Google, maybe for people having the problem with the FastTrak, because their fix (the other one that I don't remember) might work for you too |
| 03:00.24 | crunch | Wyzard, its fine in my fedora install, anywhere i could look in fedora settings for the option? |
| 03:00.26 | BullWeivelz | any ideas what package gtk-config comes in?? error I am getting states this: The command 'gtk-config' was not found in your $PATH. |
| 03:00.48 | BullWeivelz | already tried apt-cache search gtk-config |
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| 03:00.49 | crunch | Wyzard, yeh ive been googling for last half hr, most people havent found solution |
| 03:01.31 | Wyzard | crunch: No idea, sorry... I don't use Fedora and I don't know the exact cause of the problem, so I can't even tell you whether the fix would be something in the kernel, something in userspace, something in hardware, etc. |
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| 03:02.17 | BullWeivelz | Wyzard: hey man..any idears on my gtk-config issue? |
| 03:02.27 | crunch | Wyzard, no worries, cheers for trying |
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| 03:02.44 | Wyzard | BullWeivelz: Probably libgtk2.0-dev |
| 03:03.13 | abrotman | good guess |
| 03:03.15 | Wyzard | Bulldog: All library packages have a corresponding "-dev" package which contains the headers and other stuff needed for compiling programs that use the library |
| 03:03.19 | abrotman | bjron: i can't find it |
| 03:04.17 | Wyzard | BullWeivelz: though actually... I think GTK2 uses pkg-config... gtk-config was used by GTK1, so I guess you'd need to install the -dev package for whatever the gtk1 library package is called |
| 03:04.36 | bjron | bummer |
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| 03:05.26 | TheTom | mpc listall | grep canada | mpc add - |
| 03:05.26 | Wyzard | BullWeivelz: Whatever it is that you're trying to compile, it apparently uses gtk1, which is out-of-date |
| 03:05.30 | TheTom | mpc play |
| 03:05.37 | bjron | gah, I can't find any useful information about how to look at my boot messages. . . if only I could slow the whole thing waaay down :p |
| 03:05.55 | Wyzard | bjron: Shift+PgUp |
| 03:06.18 | bjron | Wyzard: yea but I think the buffer is not long enough. |
| 03:06.31 | BullWeivelz | Wyzard: I am trying to compile the development version from the CVS of Nessus...so |
| 03:06.33 | bjron | + there should be a way after I boot and start x and whatnot |
| 03:06.39 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Out of curiousity, what does 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max' say on your router? |
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| 03:07.10 | abrotman | bjron: dmesg and messages |
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| 03:07.26 | Wyzard | bjron: The kernel messages are logged, and you can get them from "dmesg"... for the messages from daemons and such, unstable used to automatically start something called "bootlogd" which was meant to capture those, but I think they removed it because it didn't work well or something |
| 03:07.38 | TheTom | og sorry. i connected my screen to another machine to see a dvd, and tried to play som music without seeing |
| 03:07.42 | bjron | abrotman: I know about dmesg, but it doesn't get allt he way through, what is messages? |
| 03:07.47 | Wyzard | Flimzy: 2048 |
| 03:07.52 | kbrooks | hmmm |
| 03:08.04 | abrotman | bjron: /var/log |
| 03:08.05 | THE_softrat | ANYONE: I need help with re-partitioning. I have the disk space, but all of my Debian ... |
| 03:08.28 | THE_softrat | ...system is in one. How do I extend it to more than one p[artition? |
| 03:09.01 | bjron | abrotman: hrm, I looked at that but I'll have to examine it more closely |
| 03:09.02 | THE_softrat | My current Debian is 'sarge' |
| 03:09.18 | bjron | would be damn convinient to be able to view all of those in one place |
| 03:09.26 | abrotman | dmesg shold do it |
| 03:09.33 | THE_softrat | My current kernel is compiling now..... |
| 03:09.51 | THE_softrat | ...2.6.8 ?? |
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| 03:10.22 | Flimzy | Wyzard: interesting. Mine was 1024. I just upped it to 16384, and my probs (for the time) have gone away. |
| 03:10.47 | abrotman | why are you compiling? |
| 03:11.37 | THE_softrat | ,,,cause I have a AMD-K6 and there was no compiled version available. |
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| 03:11.47 | bjron | abrotman: you know how I can increase the size of the buffer which captures all the boot stuff that dmesg gets the info from? |
| 03:11.59 | BullWeivelz | huh?? they have a version for the K6 (or so I thought) |
| 03:12.13 | THE_softrat | Not of 2.6.8 .... |
| 03:12.21 | abrotman | bjron: it should get it all |
| 03:12.27 | fishhead | the_softrat |
| 03:12.31 | fishhead | k6 or k6-2 |
| 03:12.39 | budluva | how can i tell what version of mysql im running? |
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| 03:12.48 | THE_softrat | Uh .... k6-2 |
| 03:12.48 | BullWeivelz | mysql --version ?? |
| 03:12.51 | fishhead | good |
| 03:12.56 | fishhead | that one has optimizations around 3dnow |
| 03:12.57 | fishhead | k6 doesn't |
| 03:13.16 | Flimzy | fishhead, K6-2 is still pretty darn slow... even compared to the K6-3 (altho by todays standards, theyr'e all darn slow :P) |
| 03:13.18 | useruser_ | offtopic, but what's the solaris equivalent of pstree? |
| 03:13.28 | THE_softrat | I probably did not id that to the kernel configure. |
| 03:13.42 | fishhead | flimzy they aren't that bad this one does okay even in mplayer windows port |
| 03:13.48 | THE_softrat | (I don't remember now) |
| 03:13.52 | useruser_ | ah, got it. ptree |
| 03:13.57 | fishhead | the biggest thing you have to figure out is if you have the k6-2 you need to know how much mememory your chipset can cache |
| 03:14.07 | bjron | hrm, it's been my experience that it doesn't seem to :( |
| 03:14.07 | fishhead | with mvp3 via it's 256 meg with a 1 meg l2 cache |
| 03:14.17 | fishhead | if you add more you get a 40-60% slowdown |
| 03:14.24 | fishhead | if you google "chipset specs" it will explain this |
| 03:14.33 | Flimzy | fishhead: I still have a server running a K6-3 450... altho it's not doing much of anything any more... I've migrated 95% of its function to a colocated virtual quad P4 server by now :P |
| 03:14.47 | fishhead | well a lot of the motherboards were canucked |
| 03:14.50 | fishhead | like the mvp3 |
| 03:14.53 | fishhead | crappy bussmastering |
| 03:14.55 | THE_softrat | Wait! I just want to re-partition my Debian system.... |
| 03:14.56 | fishhead | broken usb, pci, ide |
| 03:15.04 | fishhead | it really hurt the cpu which wasn't that fast |
| 03:15.07 | useruser_ | how do I show the build-deps for a package? |
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| 03:15.12 | fishhead | this machine basically does p2p stuff and that's it |
| 03:15.21 | fishhead | but right now since my main box broke it's my temp main box |
| 03:15.30 | Flimzy | fishhead: That would apply to the K6-3, too, no? Or is it somehow CPU, and not motherboard, specific? |
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| 03:15.45 | fishhead | the chipset caching problem? |
| 03:15.52 | Flimzy | fishhead: aye |
| 03:15.56 | fishhead | well the k6-3 the k6-2plus and k6-3plus have onboard l2 cache that overrides |
| 03:16.11 | Flimzy | fishhead: That just turns the motherboard's L2 cache into an L3 cache |
| 03:16.17 | Flimzy | fishhead: it doesn't exactly "override" it |
| 03:16.19 | fishhead | although since the k6-2plus is only 128kb l2 you have some penalties for stuff like mplayer |
| 03:16.23 | fishhead | via the 1 meg l2 cache onboard |
| 03:16.26 | THE_softrat | Which major subdirectories of root can I move to another partition without some prior special formatting? |
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| 03:16.31 | fishhead | the mplayer developers were telling me this |
| 03:16.36 | fishhead | other stuff might not be as badly hit |
| 03:16.42 | Flimzy | fishhead: I have a 2mb mobo (in my case, L3) cache |
| 03:16.44 | TimRiker | apt_: wantnick apt |
| 03:16.49 | fishhead | limsy which chipset |
| 03:16.51 | jetscreamer | home, usr |
| 03:16.58 | jetscreamer | don't move var |
| 03:17.00 | Flimzy | fishhead: MVP3, IIRC. |
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| 03:17.13 | fishhead | you can do either 384 or 512 meg max cachable with the l2/l3 |
| 03:17.23 | fishhead | your onchip l2 of course has the full 4 gig range |
| 03:17.35 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:17.41 | abrotman | nice |
| 03:17.43 | fishhead | flimzy make sure you configure the cache in the bios as write-thru |
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| 03:17.45 | fishhead | not write-back |
| 03:17.54 | fishhead | write-back halves the cachable range and doesn't help the cpu much anyways |
| 03:18.02 | Flimzy | fishhead: Only one or two boards were ever manufactured with 2mb onboard caches... and I made sure I got one of them :) |
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| 03:18.13 | abrotman | TimRiker: try again! |
| 03:18.14 | Flimzy | fishhead: If I'm ever in the BOIS on that headless box again, I will. |
| 03:18.16 | abrotman | aw .. |
| 03:18.20 | abrotman | apt_: wantnick apt |
| 03:18.25 | abrotman | i bet it doesn't work for me |
| 03:18.30 | fishhead | flimzy there are chipset setting utils for linux |
| 03:18.36 | fishhead | I dunno how well they work live |
| 03:18.40 | Flimzy | fishhead: But I'll be retiring that box in the next 1-2 months anyway |
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| 03:18.44 | Flimzy | fishhead: When I move |
| 03:18.50 | abrotman | wtf was that |
| 03:19.02 | peterS | ~wb |
| 03:19.03 | apt | It's great to be back! |
| 03:19.11 | abrotman | finally |
| 03:19.51 | THE_softrat | Hello? Re-partitioning? |
| 03:20.36 | Flimzy | THE_softrat: I don't think I understand your question. |
| 03:20.37 | kbrooks | THE_softrat, hi |
| 03:21.12 | THE_softrat | Flimzy: I have formatted disk space, but all of my system in in one partition on the hd. |
| 03:21.22 | abrotman | so what? |
| 03:21.28 | THE_softrat | I have three other partitions. |
| 03:21.41 | abrotman | THE_softrat: they make howtos for this |
| 03:21.50 | THE_softrat | What do they call it? |
| 03:21.55 | THE_softrat | I looked. |
| 03:21.58 | peterS | THE_softrat: "so whatcha gonna do about it, that's what I'd like to know" - Paul Simon, _Gumboots_ |
| 03:22.18 | Flimzy | THE_softrat: So what is the question? |
| 03:22.39 | THE_softrat | I need more space for /var and /tmp etc. |
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| 03:22.54 | xst | Can anyone explain why .xinitrc isn't executed (I use gnome/gdm)? |
| 03:23.03 | abrotman | THE_softrat: you need lvm |
| 03:23.04 | peterS | xst: you probably need to call it .xsession |
| 03:23.06 | abrotman | and you have to start with lvm |
| 03:23.09 | Flimzy | THE_softrat: So you want to move /var, /usr, /whatever off of /, to a separate filesystem? |
| 03:23.09 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 03:23.09 | dpkg | lvm is probably at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 03:23.13 | vook | THE_softrat: /var /usr /home /boot should be on different partitions |
| 03:23.20 | xst | ok |
| 03:23.23 | THE_softrat | Flimzy: Yes! |
| 03:23.34 | peterS | xst: a symlink between .xinitrc and .xsession is the way to go. one never knows which of the two is used by different X startup things on different unix OSes |
| 03:23.45 | initech | vook: not always |
| 03:23.49 | THE_softrat | I want to split up my file system. |
| 03:24.03 | vook | not always, nothing is ever always |
| 03:24.14 | initech | vook: so don't say it |
| 03:24.16 | FieldySnuts | @nuke France three times |
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| 03:24.39 | Flimzy | THE_softrat: Okay... 1) Mount the target partition as /mnt/tmp, or somesuch. 2) cp -a /usr/* /mnt/tmp (modify accordingly), 3) umount /mnt/tmp; mv /usr /usr2; mkdir /usr; mount /dev/hdXX /usr |
| 03:24.40 | vook | initech: tell me what about that partitioning scheme you find disturbing? |
| 03:24.41 | THE_softrat | I can do the 'fstab' stuff, but .... |
| 03:24.46 | abrotman | THE_softrat: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:24.51 | xst | Neither .xinitrc or .xsession is executed when I login. Why? |
| 03:25.03 | Flimzy | THE_softrat, Once you're convinced the new partition is working well, edit /etc/fstab to mount the new partitoin as /usr, then rm -rf /usr2 |
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| 03:25.11 | THE_softrat | Oh, DANG! I hoped it would be easier...... |
| 03:25.29 | Flimzy | THE_softrat, That's not easy? |
| 03:25.38 | initech | vook: /home doesn't make sense at all if mounted remotely, /usr only in certain situations, if ever |
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| 03:25.47 | Flimzy | THE_softrat: Just be glad you don't have to spend $80 on Norton Ghost to do the same thing... as you would have to do if you were doing this in Windows |
| 03:26.01 | THE_softrat | I have to keep track of which part of the full file system is on which partition! |
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| 03:26.26 | peterS | THE_softrat: indeed you do |
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| 03:26.37 | THE_softrat | In Windows I would be using Partition <agic, which I alreay own. |
| 03:27.11 | THE_softrat | OK, thanks. I'm off to the cp-races...... |
| 03:27.32 | THE_softrat | I was just looking for a more idiot-proof way..... |
| 03:27.35 | vook | initech: you don't know what the hell your talking about, sincerely, ok. partitioning not only secures the system, but it lightens fragmentation. I didn't say always in my statement though did I? hehe Hmmm |
| 03:27.46 | THE_softrat | This idiot can prove ANYTHING! |
| 03:27.53 | peterS | THE_softrat: heh |
| 03:27.56 | peterS | !bless THE_softrat |
| 03:27.57 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child THE_softrat, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 03:28.13 | THE_softrat | AMEN BROTHER! |
| 03:28.38 | initech | vook: oh whatever. explain why /usr needs to be separated again? and /home? wtf |
| 03:28.50 | THE_softrat | Good Buy, Good Luk and may the Gud Lard take a likin to ya! |
| 03:29.04 | initech | vook: i promise you i am familiar will all such arguments |
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| 03:29.10 | kbrooks | vook, IDIOT |
| 03:29.24 | kbrooks | I hereby declare you an idiot, vook |
| 03:29.34 | vook | initech: sorry folks, thats the way it supposed to be |
| 03:29.39 | kbrooks | you are a person with no knowledge |
| 03:29.44 | kbrooks | no concept |
| 03:29.48 | Flimzy | vook, kbrooks: calm down |
| 03:29.50 | kbrooks | no mind |
| 03:29.54 | kbrooks | no spirit |
| 03:29.54 | initech | vook: if you got off your little home network, and did things the way large organizations do, you would understand, ok? |
| 03:30.02 | kbrooks | no body |
| 03:30.06 | kbrooks | no head |
| 03:30.07 | abrotman | secures systems? |
| 03:30.12 | initech | vook: do you know what an automounter is? |
| 03:30.16 | kbrooks | and finally no brain |
| 03:30.19 | abrotman | forget it .. i already had one dumb argument |
| 03:30.22 | Flimzy | kbrooks: Please stop it |
| 03:30.24 | vook | kbrooks: read up on it a bit, you'll be enlightened |
| 03:30.26 | mwilson | <sigh> How many clueless people are going to file the same bug against XDM? |
| 03:30.31 | kbrooks | stopped |
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| 03:30.44 | The_Vulture | mwilson: which is that? |
| 03:30.45 | felipe | Hi there!! |
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| 03:31.00 | The_Vulture | mwilson: oh, the missing \ or whatever it is? |
| 03:31.01 | Flimzy | vook: And not to argue... but I believe your partition scheme of prefrence is unnecissarily complex. |
| 03:31.10 | abrotman | mwilson: does it matter ... they all get ignored anyways |
| 03:31.10 | felipe | Have anyone set torsmo to start using kdm + fluxbox? |
| 03:31.25 | kbrooks | OI |
| 03:31.27 | kbrooks | wf |
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| 03:31.58 | abrotman | nvz: it's getting worse in here isn't it? |
| 03:32.06 | initech | the only reason to have /usr separate is to make it ro. and that is only useful on a public system, which seldom changes |
| 03:32.16 | abrotman | nvz: i may be MIA for a month after sarge's release .. let the slashtards die down |
| 03:32.25 | mwilson | abrotman: I've not found X bugs to be ignored. |
| 03:32.30 | nvz | abrotman: who knows I just run off to X now and play games when you people get annoying *g* |
| 03:32.31 | abrotman | mwilson: mine are |
| 03:32.36 | Flimzy | initech: That's not the only reason |
| 03:32.38 | abrotman | nvz: oh yeah |
| 03:32.44 | nvz | 3d accell..ahh |
| 03:32.48 | debian | !wnb |
| 03:32.50 | debian | !wnbt |
| 03:32.50 | dpkg | somebody said wnbt was Will Not Be Trolled |
| 03:33.09 | initech | Flimzy: what else? fragmentation? really not an issue |
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| 03:33.25 | initech | that is gentoo-itis |
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| 03:33.41 | Flimzy | initech: The main reason for multiple partitions are to reduce corruption if something goes wrong... and to keep a highly used filesystem (i.e. /home) from getting full, and then also filling up something essential, such as /var |
| 03:33.51 | nvz | abrotman: chanserv doesnt allow me to do anything more than that, so .. thank $DIETY there is nvidia drivers |
| 03:34.02 | abrotman | nvz: you sure? |
| 03:34.04 | Flimzy | initech: You don't want some dummy downloading gigs of pr0n to /home, and as a result causing mail to bounce on /var |
| 03:34.21 | nvz | abrotman: pretty sure.. I think if I had op privlage in here I would have at least been told |
| 03:34.26 | Flimzy | initech: so by putting them on separate partitions, you eliminate that problem. (of course, quotas are still nice, too :) |
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| 03:34.42 | initech | Flimzy: keeping /usr from getting full is no problem. /home, depends on the system. most unix shops mount home remotely if yhey have any clue at all |
| 03:34.48 | Flimzy | initech: You also don't want a runaway syslog to fill up /usr, for instance, or whatever |
| 03:34.55 | boukensya | hey guys.. Merry Christmas. have a few questions if that is all right. 1. How can I run xbindkeys as a dameon where it will load a single profile for all users? |
| 03:35.01 | initech | Flimzy: syslog filling up /usr?!? |
| 03:35.05 | nvz | abrotman: unless thats how it works around here, they put you on a list and wait for you to figure it ouy |
| 03:35.07 | initech | Flimzy: that is /var |
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| 03:35.12 | Flimzy | initech: If /var and /usr are on the same partition |
| 03:35.19 | abrotman | nvz: i didn't get it yet |
| 03:35.35 | initech | Flimzy: no prob here with var separate, IMO always should be |
| 03:35.40 | Flimzy | initech: I've had that problem on small insignificant boxes before. |
| 03:35.49 | Flimzy | initech: I agree... and I'm just saying why I agree :) |
| 03:35.55 | nvz | abrotman: I'd need to make some serious changes on here to be a channel op.. my clients not ready for it |
| 03:36.11 | debian | initech: /usr is supposed to be ro except /usr/src |
| 03:36.15 | Flimzy | initech: Altho on my router boxes with < 3gb drives, I usually make life simpler wtih a single partition... such as the one here in the basement with a ~270mb drive |
| 03:36.24 | initech | debian: says who? |
| 03:36.33 | karsten | Flimzy: /msg dpkg partitioning howto |
| 03:36.34 | abrotman | nvz: ask for it! |
| 03:36.56 | Flimzy | karsten: Ahh... thanks for jumping into the tail end of a conversation and offering completely out of context, and worthless advice! |
| 03:36.59 | nvz | abrotman: no I mean my client doesnt have even the most basic aliases setup.. I would have to change my config |
| 03:37.01 | initech | i'm just sick of people with their "perfect" partitioning schemes, which are almost always oriented to some lone home user |
| 03:37.23 | Flimzy | initech: And are usually a copy of RH's fubar way, anyway :P |
| 03:37.42 | kbrooks | Flimzy, fubar? |
| 03:37.46 | debian | initech: says you |
| 03:37.58 | karsten | OT: what are some examples of mistaken impressions 'Doze users take to 'Nix. I'm thinking antivirus and defragging. Anything else? |
| 03:38.12 | Flimzy | kbrooks: Are you asking me why I think RH's method is fubar, or are you asking what fubar means? |
| 03:38.15 | karsten | Flimzy: Before you knock it, you might read the reference or have initech do same. |
| 03:38.16 | vook | "And when a full Linux system occupies one partition, even limited file corruption can affect others" **"To avoid these problems create a separate partition for each major file system"** |
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| 03:38.27 | initech | debian: find in the Linux filesystem heirarchy standard where /usr/ should be ro |
| 03:38.29 | nvz | abrotman: to be an op here you would need commands setup to /msg chanserv and stuff. I couldnt trust myself typing those commands properly, not to mention it would be aggrivating |
| 03:38.37 | kbrooks | Flimzy, the latter |
| 03:38.47 | jasonf | !fubar |
| 03:38.47 | dpkg | well, fubar is Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition; it is a military term, or ask a fubar question, get a fubar answer. the failed unibus address register in a VAX |
| 03:38.51 | initech | debian: that is just an added security technique, not anything else |
| 03:38.56 | peterS | nvz: google for auto_bleh. written by dondelelcaro, requires irssi. |
| 03:38.58 | Flimzy | karsten: fubar = f*cked up beyond all repair|recognition |
| 03:39.02 | The_Vulture | nvz: it's not that hard to type manually, and the ops just use the auto_bleh script anyway |
| 03:39.04 | debian | initech: not security technique |
| 03:39.12 | stew | initech: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEUSRHIERARCHY |
| 03:39.19 | peterS | nvz: I think that's what most #debian ops use |
| 03:39.23 | abrotman | nvz: you could use mirc :) |
| 03:39.26 | sean_micken | i'm getting the error "alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory" from mplayer when i try to play any movie -- i installed mplayer from marillat -- anybody know how to fix this? |
| 03:39.26 | stew | initech: "/usr is shareable, read-only data" |
| 03:39.30 | zenlunatic | With ssh how do i define user@host when logging in? Its using my local user@host and I want to define user which is different from local username. |
| 03:39.30 | karsten | Flimzy: Wrong nick. |
| 03:39.32 | nvz | The_Vulture: I've had a history of accidental pastes and bad typing.. so I would certainly want a script or cmd aliases |
| 03:39.38 | debian | peterS: thanks |
| 03:39.39 | Flimzy | karsten, my bad |
| 03:39.47 | nvz | abrotman: yeah right.. heh |
| 03:39.48 | Flimzy | kbrooks: fubar = f*cked up beyond all repair|recognition |
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| 03:40.00 | initech | stew: that does not imply it needs to be mounted ro, or on a separate fs |
| 03:40.02 | peterS | debian: oh, you were wanting that? |
| 03:40.04 | karsten | zenlunatic: ssh <options> user@host |
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| 03:40.17 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's at rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/auto_bleh.pl_ iirc |
| 03:40.26 | peterS | nvz: right, me neither. I keep auto_bleh around just in case I ever do need it, though |
| 03:40.46 | stew | initech: no, but you said "find in the Linux filesystem heirarchy standard where /usr/ should be ro" which i did |
| 03:40.48 | initech | ok, geniuses, how are you going to script your security updates for stable when your /usr is ro? |
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| 03:40.53 | nvz | peterS: I just install scriptassist.. then I dont have to goto irssi.org for dumb stuff |
| 03:41.08 | The_Vulture | nvz: there's nothing much you can do wrong as a lowly aop, might kick the wrong person, I sometimes set myself -b instead of -o after I opped to kick someone (before I started using autobleh) |
| 03:41.08 | dondelelcaro | initech: you remount it when you need to make the changes. |
| 03:41.19 | karsten | Flimzy: WRT the partitioning thing: I wrote a brief howto that's pretty popular, a large part of which is describing _why_ you'd want to break out partitions, and some mount options you might consider. |
| 03:41.28 | dondelelcaro | initech: you shouldn't have those changes automated anyway |
| 03:41.55 | Flimzy | karsten: I always break apart my partitions... with the previously mentioned exceptoin of router-only boxes with tiny hard drives. |
| 03:42.08 | nvz | I only come on #debian and I am not an op, so like I said its not really an issue |
| 03:42.10 | vook | stew: exactly, when partitions are seperate, you have the option of mounting them read only, which secures the system. No user should ever be allowed to write to /usr. Making /usr a separate partition enables one to mount it read only, adding an extra layer of protection. |
| 03:42.11 | karsten | initech: First off, you generally *don't* script dist-upgrades. If you mount /var rw and script your *updates* and *downloads*, no problem. |
| 03:42.13 | initech | dondelelcaro: so you favor logging in to several hundred machines to update a security flaw in a library? |
| 03:42.15 | debian | peterS: yeah, that concept was always challenged |
| 03:42.15 | karsten | Flimzy: Dittos. |
| 03:42.31 | initech | karsten: wtf said anything about dist-upgrade? |
| 03:42.39 | karsten | initech: Otherwise: mount -o remount,rw /usr; aptitude -y dist-upgrade; mount -o ro /usr |
| 03:42.54 | chromakode | anybody know how to flush the 2.6 disk cache? |
| 03:42.58 | peterS | dselect-upgrade >> dist-upgrade. does aptitude have dselect-upgrade? I forget |
| 03:42.58 | stew | initech: dsh and clusterssh work well for that sort of thing |
| 03:43.01 | chromakode | I have a ram-whomped system doing nothing... :( |
| 03:43.08 | karsten | initech: s/dist-upgrade/upgrade/. However I pretty much always run the former. |
| 03:43.12 | dondelelcaro | initech: if you've got that many machines, then you probably want to run your own local mirror, and only do the updates through your known-good local mirror when you've accertained that nothing is going to break. |
| 03:43.39 | karsten | dondelelcaro: You aware of any automated system *update* tools analagous to FAI? |
| 03:43.52 | karsten | chromakode: hdparm has options for that IIRC. |
| 03:43.53 | dondelelcaro | karsten: cron-apt; is out there... |
| 03:44.22 | karsten | dondelelcaro: does that handle scripting the update questions? |
| 03:44.28 | abrotman | apt-cron? |
| 03:44.31 | initech | i personally would not bother with making /usr separate and ro, it is mostly pointless except for publically accesible systems |
| 03:44.32 | abrotman | !apt-cron |
| 03:44.32 | karsten | chromakode: hdparm -f may be what you want. |
| 03:44.33 | budluva | anyone here ever used horde2? |
| 03:44.35 | abrotman | !cron-apt |
| 03:44.37 | nvz | heh |
| 03:44.40 | nvz | this is funny |
| 03:44.42 | abrotman | dpkg: hello |
| 03:44.42 | dpkg | hola, abrotman |
| 03:44.46 | abrotman | grr |
| 03:44.50 | chromakode | karsten: ok, thanks... taking a look. |
| 03:44.51 | stew | !apt cron |
| 03:44.54 | abrotman | nvz: mr bean? |
| 03:44.56 | dondelelcaro | karsten: you just set DEBCONF_FRONTEND="noninteractive" and no questions are asked. |
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| 03:45.03 | karsten | initech: More practically, there are problems setting it /ro again after updates. |
| 03:45.07 | dondelelcaro | karsten: if you want to do something different, you just preseed the debconf database |
| 03:45.10 | Flimzy | So is there any theoretical performance or security advantage to mounting /usr RO anyway? |
| 03:45.18 | DarknessX | how can I make 'reboot' and 'halt' available to regular user? |
| 03:45.21 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Refs on preseed? I've just started hearing about that. |
| 03:45.30 | chromakode | karsten: hmmm, well that looks like it did the same thing as sync... |
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| 03:45.31 | karsten | Flimzy: ID10T errors. |
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| 03:45.34 | abrotman | !apt-get cron |
| 03:45.34 | dpkg | Don't do it! If your unattended apt-get upgrade blows up, your system could be unusable, and you won't even have a prompt on the console to answer. |
| 03:45.40 | nvz | this cartoon reality show, is making fun of that I hate my job, I guess.. told them that every good business needs the help of mexicans, so they have to smuggle mexicans across the boarder |
| 03:45.43 | karsten | chromakode: Check buffers w/ 'free'. |
| 03:45.48 | chromakode | karsten: free shows almost everything being used for buffers. |
| 03:45.54 | initech | besides which, if you actually are *rooted*, remounting rw is trivial anyway |
| 03:45.57 | dondelelcaro | karsten: man 7 debconf; read about preconfiguring packages; |
| 03:45.58 | bloom | karsten: I do upgrades using --download-only in cron, and then use apt-get dist-upgrade myself when I'm ready to deal with the consequences |
| 03:45.59 | karsten | chromakode: OK. Scotch that.... |
| 03:46.00 | chromakode | karsten: it's pretty much locked and not giving em up :( |
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| 03:46.01 | Flimzy | karsten: guess that's about it, eh? |
| 03:46.03 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Touche. |
| 03:46.09 | subopt | I've set up a forwarded port on a remote host by doing: ssh -L 5901:192.168.50.201:5901 me@hddcom.com . Now when i do: ssh 127.0.0.1:5901 on my box i get 'Name or service not known'. What am i doing wrong? |
| 03:46.28 | chromakode | karsten: it's very strange, I've never seen anything quite like it. I could just reboot and make it go away, but where's the fun in that? |
| 03:46.34 | chromakode | I think the gimp did it. |
| 03:46.34 | karsten | Flimzy: Well, any 'sploit would have to take the additional step of first mounting the partition RW. That itself would probably save your *ss a few times. |
| 03:46.34 | leOn | subopt: you're not reading the ssh man page |
| 03:46.42 | karsten | chromakode: Sec. |
| 03:46.48 | nvz | I need some really huge X fonts :/ |
| 03:46.55 | dondelelcaro | karsten: some people are using LDAP (or other DB) backends to do the preconfiguring site wide for loads of nodes... |
| 03:47.06 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I personally don't maintain enough machines to really bother with it, though |
| 03:47.06 | bloom | how does one use shfsumount to unmount an shfs mount when the connection died since you mounted? |
| 03:47.31 | Flimzy | subopt: check your ssh command line |
| 03:47.39 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Yeah, that's the sort of thing I'm thinking about. Was reading a bit by MSFT's CIO where he talks about maintaining 300k boxen. Wondering how you'd tackle something of that scale w/ Debian. |
| 03:47.43 | Flimzy | subopt: hint: 127.0.0.1:5901 is invalid |
| 03:47.45 | karsten | dondelelcaro: NSF mounts come to mind. |
| 03:47.52 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah, that's typically the sane method |
| 03:47.53 | DarknessX | what's the differene between apt-get |
| 03:48.10 | DarknessX | err,.... 'apt-get upgrade' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? |
| 03:48.10 | abrotman | and what? |
| 03:48.13 | karsten | DarknessX: What's the difference between a duck? |
| 03:48.14 | puff | Anybody familiar with spam-assassin? Specifically, I'm using it via procmail & mutt, I'm told I need to "train" it, but how do I do that? |
| 03:48.17 | abrotman | DarknessX: read the man page |
| 03:48.20 | dondelelcaro | puff: man sa-learn |
| 03:48.23 | karsten | DarknessX: 'upgrade' won't install new packages. |
| 03:48.40 | DarknessX | so which is the one I want to be doing on a regular basis? |
| 03:48.42 | karsten | puff: Get a pile of spam. Run 'sa-learn' on that. |
| 03:48.53 | ugen64 | darknessx, personally i do apt-get -u dist-upgrade on a regular basis, but.. |
| 03:49.08 | Flimzy | subopt: BTW, you might also consider the -C commandline flag, if you're connecting over a network slower than 10mbit |
| 03:49.19 | puff | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 03:49.21 | karsten | DarknessX: I tend to run 'dist-upgrade'. It's partially a preference thing. On testing/unstable, you'll pick up things as they're added. For a stable box, 'upgrade' should be sufficient. |
| 03:49.23 | puff | karsten: thanks. |
| 03:49.28 | bloom | I guess my answer us sudo umount --force. I wonder what you do if you're not root. |
| 03:49.33 | subopt | Flimzy: i don't understand your hint. |
| 03:49.35 | karsten | puff: 100-300 items should be sufficient. |
| 03:49.35 | DarknessX | I'm on unstable. Thanks. |
| 03:49.55 | Flimzy | subopt: "127.0.0.1:5901" is invalid... try specifying the port the proper way (read the man page for more info on that) |
| 03:50.22 | karsten | spamassassin followup: should one flush the Bayes database periodically? I'm thinking: flush the existing database, run training on a set of recent (1-3 months) spam (yes, I've got a copious archive), and see if things change. |
| 03:50.24 | ugen64 | karsten, if you run apt-get upgrade on testing/unstable, will it leave new dependencies unfulfilled? |
| 03:51.00 | dondelelcaro | karsten: no real point, at least, assuming it actually works properly |
| 03:51.02 | karsten | ugen64: I'm not sure. |
| 03:51.13 | ugen64 | k, just curious :) |
| 03:51.31 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I seem to have stuff not coming in properly, and have problems querying the database. Which is also getting bloody huge. |
| 03:51.34 | subopt | Flimzy: i've tried: ssh -p 5901 localhost, and it just stalls |
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| 03:51.59 | Flimzy | subopt: Well then you apparantly have other problems as well :) |
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| 03:52.01 | chromakode | karsten: I'm going to try to kill the X session on this machine, brb |
| 03:52.04 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...hrm. Lets try a rebuild. |
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| 03:52.16 | Flimzy | subopt: I might mentoin that ssh-over-ssh (which is what you're doing) is probably rather silly |
| 03:52.28 | subopt | Flimzy: why so? |
| 03:52.32 | Flimzy | subopt: telnet-over-ssh would be better.. (less network overhead) |
| 03:52.36 | dondelelcaro | karsten: hrm... my DB is only ~ 5M, and I probably do 2-3K messages a day through it |
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| 03:52.51 | karsten | dondelelcaro: synced Bayes databases from journal in 0 seconds: 181 unique entries (189 total entries) |
| 03:53.03 | Flimzy | subopt: SSH is used to add security... multiple layers of SSH don't add security... they just add overhead |
| 03:53.07 | nz | hey, how do i stop network interfaces from being bought up at startup ? |
| 03:53.09 | subopt | Flimzy: what 'other problems' might i look for? |
| 03:53.14 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Ditto here. 5MB. |
| 03:53.22 | Flimzy | subopt: Try telnetting to localhost:5901 |
| 03:53.29 | Flimzy | subopt: and see what happens |
| 03:53.49 | subopt | Name or service not known |
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| 03:54.14 | Flimzy | subopt: make sure you're doing "telnet localhost 5901" |
| 03:54.22 | vook | nz: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:54.40 | karsten | dondelelcaro: If I do a sa-learn --dump, though, it 1) takes days and 2) doesn't seem to have legit data. Mostly 0.5 | 0 | 0 entries on tokens. |
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| 03:55.21 | karsten | dondelelcaro: 70k tokens and counting. |
| 03:55.28 | vook | nz: just comment out what you don't want to start |
| 03:55.39 | chromakode | oh wow, it appears I was mistaken. |
| 03:55.39 | subopt | Flimzy: do i need to manually open port 5901 on my box? |
| 03:55.40 | chromakode | X was eating all of the memory and saying it wasn't. |
| 03:55.45 | stew | nz: the auto keyword is what you are looking for |
| 03:55.52 | Flimzy | subopt: that may depend on what you mean by "my box" |
| 03:56.04 | Flimzy | subopt: Since you obvoiusly have at least 3 boxes involved in what you're doing |
| 03:56.23 | subopt | the 'not remote' box. No, there's just 2 boxes involved. |
| 03:56.42 | Flimzy | subopt: If there are only 2 boxes involved, then there's no need for port forwarding |
| 03:56.45 | bbrazil | subopt: ssh 127.0.0.1 -p 5701 |
| 03:56.53 | dondelelcaro | karsten: heh. I don't think I've ever bothered to do an sa-learn --dump |
| 03:56.55 | TheStar | subopt: The person who is help*ing* should have to solve as few problems as possible. |
| 03:57.01 | felipe | Anyone uses Torsmo here? |
| 03:57.03 | nz | vook, stew,: i have the auto line commented out, but my network interface comes up any way |
| 03:57.34 | stew | nz: what version of debian? |
| 03:57.46 | stew | nz the auto line really should do it |
| 03:57.52 | subopt | TheStar: sorry, i didn't realize you were helping |
| 03:57.52 | leOn | nz: search for another auto directive |
| 03:58.03 | TheStar | subopt: I wasn't :) |
| 03:58.17 | Flimzy | subopt: Unless... If you're really only using 2 boxes... A, and B... and need to connect to B:5901, which can only be done over SSH... then you probably want -L 5901:localhost:5901 |
| 03:58.18 | TheStar | subopt: But potentially everyone in the channel could be. |
| 03:58.27 | leOn | nz: sometimes one has more than 1 auto line and misses it ... happened to me before |
| 03:58.39 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I've got a procmail rule to add the ASN / CIDR source of mail to headers. SA should train on these. And there are some CIDR/ASN tokens which are *highly* predictive of spam. |
| 03:58.54 | nz | stew, i'm using sarge |
| 03:59.19 | nz | leOn, i added the config manually, and there are no auto lines, i think there is another file sumwhere |
| 03:59.21 | Flimzy | subopt: I assumed you were sshing from A to B, and forwarding from B to C |
| 03:59.31 | Flimzy | subopt: so as to allow a connectoin from A to C |
| 03:59.54 | vook | nz: and /etc/init.d/network restart brings the interface up after commenting it out, kinda fishy |
| 04:00.23 | leOn | nz: do you have ifplugd installed? |
| 04:00.50 | nz | leOn, nope |
| 04:00.58 | leOn | are you sure ? |
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| 04:01.31 | nz | leOn, i think so, i havent installed it my self |
| 04:01.33 | subopt | Flimzy: i ssh'ed to B to set up the forwarded port with "ssh -L 5901:192.168.50.201:5901 me@B". then (on A) i am trying to ssh to localhost:5901. I'm supposed to be tunneling to forward some X apps back to my box (A) |
| 04:01.48 | leOn | nz: dpkg -l ifplugd|grep ^ii |
| 04:02.08 | nz | no out out |
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| 04:02.13 | nz | leOn, theres no output |
| 04:02.16 | stew | subopt: you are trying to tunnel X over ssh and thats it? |
| 04:02.17 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I think something's either broken w/ sa-learn --dump or my database, because nothing seems to have any predicitve value, if I'm reading things right. |
| 04:02.19 | Flimzy | subopt: is 192.168.50.201 the address of B? or is it a 3rd computer? |
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| 04:02.27 | Maxian | Hey all |
| 04:02.31 | ugen64 | hiya |
| 04:02.45 | dondelelcaro | karsten: you actually run spamc as your user, right? |
| 04:02.46 | leOn | nz: can you test something...? |
| 04:02.53 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Yes. |
| 04:02.55 | dondelelcaro | karsten: do you get BAYES scores > 00? |
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| 04:02.58 | subopt | stew: yes |
| 04:02.59 | stew | subopt: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 04:03.01 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Yes, I do. |
| 04:03.03 | nz | leOn, sure |
| 04:03.04 | leOn | nz: unplug the network cable and see if the device stays up |
| 04:03.13 | subopt | Flimzy: it's the address of B |
| 04:03.15 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...which makes me think sa-learn is b0rken. |
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| 04:03.24 | Flimzy | subopt: You're trying to tunnel X over SSH with -L? That's your problem |
| 04:03.38 | nz | leOn, its a wireless card |
| 04:03.43 | leOn | subopt: ssh does X forwarding |
| 04:03.46 | stew | i was trying to remember wtf 5901 was for :) duh |
| 04:03.50 | nz | leOn, i'm using dialup right now |
| 04:04.03 | vook | nz, ah, that changes things sometimes |
| 04:04.06 | budluva | does anyone know a good webmail client that works with postfix and mysql? |
| 04:04.10 | leOn | it's a pcmcia card then |
| 04:04.12 | budluva | and postfix admin? |
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| 04:04.24 | leOn | hotplug handles that |
| 04:04.25 | Flimzy | subopt: Is B set up to accept connections coming in to 192.168.50.201 on port 5901, or does it only accpet local (i.e. localhost) connections? If the latter (and perhaps in any case), change the syntax to -L 5901:localhost:5901 as I suggested earlier |
| 04:04.25 | dondelelcaro | karsten: hrm... well, it's quite possible that the --dump is broken... I actually switched to using sendmail -r instead of sa-learn here... |
| 04:04.26 | nz | leOn, yeah |
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| 04:04.34 | k-man | is there a mailing list where x developers hang out? |
| 04:04.43 | dondelelcaro | k-man: which X developers? |
| 04:04.44 | leOn | you have to specifically tell hotplug not to bring the card up |
| 04:04.52 | k-man | xfree86 |
| 04:04.52 | leOn | see the hotplug docs |
| 04:04.53 | budluva | leOn, whats hotplug? |
| 04:05.03 | dondelelcaro | k-man: upstream? or the Debian package? |
| 04:05.04 | budluva | oh, i thought that was directed at my question |
| 04:05.05 | k-man | is debian moving to the other x? |
| 04:05.08 | stew | Flimzy: forget it, he doens't want to use ssh -L he wants ssh -X |
| 04:05.13 | dondelelcaro | !xorg |
| 04:05.14 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 04:05.17 | k-man | the X devs.. not the debian devs |
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| 04:05.27 | leOn | hotplug is a sub-system for managing hot-pluggable devices, such as pcmcia cards, usb devices, etc |
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| 04:05.39 | k-man | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 04:05.42 | stew | budluva: squirrelmail is a good webmail client, it should work with any imap server |
| 04:05.42 | dondelelcaro | k-man: see xfree86.org; they have a bunch of mailing lists. Most of the serious developers have moved onto x.org, though. |
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| 04:05.50 | Flimzy | stew, I was beginning to wonder |
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| 04:06.11 | jcole | is gstreamer pipeline editor complicated or am i just stupid |
| 04:06.25 | nz | leOn, hotplug, ok, do you have any idea on how i cant stop it from loading the network ? |
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| 04:06.31 | k-man | dondelelcaro, oh... i want to ask a question about why some keyboard scan codes don't seem to get passed into X, maybe x.org would be the place to ask? |
| 04:06.34 | felipe | I am trying to start torsmo on startup (kdm) by creating a .xsession file and adding to it torsmo & but it is not working, any idea??? |
| 04:06.35 | subopt | Flimzy: that got it. Thanks! |
| 04:06.37 | TheStar | Is there no backport for python 2.3 for debian woody? |
| 04:06.37 | karsten | dondelelcaro: sendmail -r ?? |
| 04:06.42 | leOn | nz: yes ... you read the docs and find out how |
| 04:06.45 | leOn | =) |
| 04:06.48 | dondelelcaro | karsten: spamassassin -r, rather |
| 04:06.50 | Flimzy | TheStar, not an official one |
| 04:07.00 | stew | nz: hotplug might load the modules, but it wont bring the interfaces up, afaik |
| 04:07.00 | leOn | don't know by heart... =) |
| 04:07.21 | budluva | stew, i've tried squirrelmail, but it looks pretty boring/crappy |
| 04:07.33 | ugen64 | dondelelcaro, sends a random mail full of expletives to a random developer? |
| 04:07.36 | dondelelcaro | k-man: there's a faq on this very issue |
| 04:07.38 | budluva | stew, you know of anything that will work and looks a little better? |
| 04:07.51 | initech | budluva: squirrelmail is pretty good. what else do you want? |
| 04:07.53 | k-man | dondelelcaro, really? can you point me to it please? |
| 04:07.56 | TheStar | ugen64: Changed your nick recently? |
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| 04:08.02 | budluva | initech, something that looks better |
| 04:08.06 | TheStar | ugen64: Are you related to ugenn? |
| 04:08.09 | ugen64 | thestar, no i'm not |
| 04:08.11 | k-man | dondelelcaro, i have been trawling the net and found nothing... maybe i just didn't know what to search for? |
| 04:08.12 | ugen64 | -_- |
| 04:08.13 | initech | budluva: you can make it look like any damn thing you want |
| 04:08.13 | stew | budluva: some people like imp, its snappier looking, but more of a pain |
| 04:08.14 | Kerr | how would i go about boradcasting a dvd in my dvd drive to my friend upstairs. our pc's are networked, and he has an account on mine. |
| 04:08.18 | bjron | everytime I boot x fails to start until I do 'module-assistant install nvidia', then it works fine. . .until I reboot again :( |
| 04:08.24 | TheStar | ugen64: Ok. |
| 04:08.34 | bjron | any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 04:08.36 | ugen64 | bjron, is nvidia a module? |
| 04:08.45 | ugen64 | perhaps you should enable it as a default thing to load at startup |
| 04:09.01 | dondelelcaro | k-man: http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#keyboard |
| 04:09.05 | Flimzy | bjron, I've nevr heard of module-assitant... but I'd guess the nvidia module isn't being loaded automatically. Perhaps you need to have it load on boot |
| 04:09.24 | ugen64 | what flimzy said :) |
| 04:09.42 | bjron | Flimzy: could be that |
| 04:09.45 | k-man | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 04:09.53 | bjron | hrm |
| 04:10.00 | bjron | except there is a kernel message when i boot: |
| 04:10.29 | Flimzy | I dunno what your kernel message says, but the way to check is 'lsmod' |
| 04:10.36 | bjron | about loading the nvidia module |
| 04:10.44 | dondelelcaro | k-man: that doesn't have all the answers, but it should give you an idea of where your problem lies and what you should search for to find the answer |
| 04:10.45 | leOn | about hotplug and ifup ... by a very superficial look into the hotplug etc directory |
| 04:10.56 | k-man | ok, tahnks |
| 04:10.56 | leOn | one finds /etc/hotplug/net.ifup |
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| 04:11.28 | TheStar | Sometimes it's easier to compile your own programs than to backport :( |
| 04:11.46 | leOn | it tests for the existence of /etc/hotplug/net.enable, if the file exists, it does an ifup to the device |
| 04:11.47 | debian | TheStar: very true |
| 04:11.49 | Flimzy | TheStar: What's the difference? |
| 04:12.00 | leOn | could be it ... but i'd double check |
| 04:12.01 | TheStar | Flimzy: Less dependencies, usually. |
| 04:12.04 | ugen64 | theres a user named debian... |
| 04:12.05 | ugen64 | -_- |
| 04:12.11 | Flimzy | TheStar: ? |
| 04:12.12 | debian | ugen64: where? |
| 04:12.13 | bjron | hmm, well I can't very well check now since it's obviously loaded ;P |
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| 04:12.21 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: not really. |
| 04:12.26 | Flimzy | TheStar: I don't think so |
| 04:12.27 | BullWeivelz | hahahahahahaha http://articles.energyradio.fm/anm/templates/ftf.aspx?articleid=101&zoneid=5 Steve Ballmer sells Windows 1.0 |
| 04:12.35 | leOn | nz: try renaming that file |
| 04:12.45 | Maxian | I have windows 3.1 still running |
| 04:12.54 | Maxian | my mom actually uses it in her office as the only computer she has |
| 04:12.57 | Flimzy | TheStar: acme_package 2.0 will have the same dependancies whether it's already been built into a sid pacakge or not |
| 04:13.04 | nz | leOn, cool, i'll try it in a little while |
| 04:13.07 | leOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.11 | TheStar | Flimzy: But it may not depend on dpatch, would it? |
| 04:13.13 | Kerr | err |
| 04:13.15 | nz | leOn, i dont fancy rebooting right now |
| 04:13.28 | leOn | you don't need to reboot |
| 04:13.35 | hairy_potter | !reboot |
| 04:13.43 | hairy_potter | ~reboot |
| 04:13.44 | apt | Not on your life cowboy :(, or are you using Window$? |
| 04:13.44 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK. |
| 04:13.46 | leOn | remove the card, stop the hotplug service |
| 04:13.53 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...isn't that massively more startup overhead? |
| 04:13.53 | debian | Maxian: can you go directly into your problems? :) |
| 04:14.01 | TheStar | hairy_potter: It's !, something must be wrong with dpkg. |
| 04:14.04 | leOn | rename the file, start the hotplug service and re-insert the card |
| 04:14.05 | nz | leOn, its a built in card |
| 04:14.12 | debian | Maxian: you may skip the history to your problems here. :) |
| 04:14.16 | ugen64 | !x.org |
| 04:14.16 | dpkg | <daniels> x.org won't make it into sid for at least a while, possibly ever. right now we're working on making the modular tree (fd.o) actually work and be useful with the xfree86/xorg drivers, and that's where debian is probably going. Ask me about 'xorg' for more up-to-date information. http://tinyurl.com/5uo7a, or http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909#installing_a_non_intrusive_x |
| 04:14.20 | leOn | what to you mean by built in.. ? |
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| 04:14.30 | leOn | you said it was a pcmcia card .... |
| 04:14.41 | nz | nz, its a mini pci card thats setup as a pcmcia card |
| 04:14.43 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...spamassasin -r, that is. |
| 04:14.52 | leOn | well |
| 04:15.00 | leOn | instead of removing the card |
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| 04:15.08 | leOn | stop the pcmcia service then |
| 04:15.15 | leOn | should do it |
| 04:15.26 | nz | ok |
| 04:15.37 | leOn | reboot is for kernel upgrade only |
| 04:15.38 | leOn | =) |
| 04:15.50 | leOn | off to bed |
| 04:15.52 | leOn | later |
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| 04:17.01 | skel_home | can anyone recommend a good video editing software they have personal experience with.. I want to edit home movies I've taken with my camcorder and burn to dvd. |
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| 04:17.24 | TheStar | How do I install *just* psql? |
| 04:17.28 | TheStar | (That is, teh postgresql client) |
| 04:17.39 | npx | apt-get install postgresql-client ? |
| 04:17.41 | TheStar | Nevermind. |
| 04:17.48 | TheStar | npx: Thanks :) |
| 04:17.56 | Flimzy | I know this question is completely off-topic, but maybe somebody randomly has an idea... In WinXP Home SP1, a DVD/CD-RW drive will not detect that CD-R media is present when attempting to burn a CD. The same drive works fine in Linux and W2k on another PC, and another DVD/CD-RW drive works fine in this machine. Any ideas? |
| 04:17.58 | npx | hehe, it happens |
| 04:18.04 | nz | ls |
| 04:18.04 | nz | oops |
| 04:18.08 | npx | see? |
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| 04:18.21 | nz | ah, leon is gone |
| 04:18.31 | TheStar | Flimzy: Perhaps the CD burning 'stuff' is disabled? |
| 04:18.40 | TheStar | Flimzy: Right click and investigate your DVD Drive. |
| 04:18.56 | Flimzy | TheStar, No... as I said, another CD-RW works fine, using Nero and the Windows-built-in-crappy-software |
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| 04:19.18 | Flimzy | TheStar: And both Windows and Nero detect the non-functional drive as a CD-RW... they just always claim that no media is present |
| 04:19.24 | TheStar | Flimzy: The particular blank does not work in any circumstance? |
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| 04:19.40 | npx | I've owned a CD-RW that just wouldn't read hi-val CDs from wal-mart |
| 04:19.43 | TheStar | Flimzy: Ahh, Perhaps that individual drive is 'disabled'. |
| 04:19.47 | Flimzy | TheStar: The same blank disk will work in another drive |
| 04:20.00 | Flimzy | TheStar: No, it is definately enabled |
| 04:20.06 | TheStar | Flimzy: How do you know? |
| 04:20.13 | Flimzy | TheStar: B/c I checked :) |
| 04:20.20 | npx | Yeah, could it be that the jumper settings are fubarred? |
| 04:20.51 | Flimzy | "Enable CD Recording on this drive" is checked under the Recording tab in properties |
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| 04:21.11 | useruser | Flimzy: my dad has two burners on one machine, and winxp only ever burns on one of them. could be the same bug |
| 04:21.13 | TheStar | Flimzy: Dunno. |
| 04:21.21 | Flimzy | useruser: perhaps so |
| 04:21.24 | TheStar | Flimzy: You should upgrade to winxp SP2, btw. |
| 04:21.40 | Flimzy | TheStar: considered that... altho with all the scary hype I've heard about SP2, I'm a bit leary of that |
| 04:21.41 | npx | this bug doesn't exist in win2k sp4 =) |
| 04:21.49 | useruser | i have a modem port in my laptop, but lspci -vv reports nothing modem-shaped. how can i go about identifying it? |
| 04:22.07 | Flimzy | npx: jumper settings seem fine. And yeah, the same "trouble drive" works fine in W2k at my place. |
| 04:22.22 | Flimzy | I may just give them my old DVD/CD-RW drive, and take theirs... since theirs works for me |
| 04:22.36 | peterS | useruser: does it report an i810 chipset? |
| 04:22.37 | TheStar | Flimzy: I didn't appreciate it comming in automatically while I was away, and disabling my VNC port, but other than that, it's not too bad. |
| 04:22.59 | Flimzy | TheStar: heh |
| 04:23.15 | peterS | useruser: if so, the snd_intel8x0m ALSA driver might enjoy talking to the winmodem |
| 04:23.16 | npx | Flimzy that sounds like the thing to do |
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| 04:23.43 | useruser | peterS: nope, no 810 occuring there |
| 04:24.20 | alnr | hello i am trying to install gcc 3.3.4 in synaptic. I force the version and install but I get 3.3.5, why? |
| 04:24.37 | Flimzy | synaptic? |
| 04:24.57 | Flimzy | Is that a new version of Debian? |
| 04:25.00 | alnr | i guess thats undefined |
| 04:25.02 | alnr | ok |
| 04:25.03 | npx | it's just an apt front-end |
| 04:25.04 | jasonf | !info synaptic |
| 04:25.04 | peterS | useruser: actually it won't say 810, it'll be more like "82801AA AC'97 Modem" |
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| 04:25.09 | Flimzy | ah, right |
| 04:25.10 | ugen64 | flizy, no, it's an apt utility |
| 04:25.11 | ugen64 | like aptitude |
| 04:25.13 | Flimzy | I knew it suonded familiar |
| 04:25.14 | dpkg | synaptic: (Graphical package manager), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.55+cvs20041119-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1489 kB, Installed size: 4448 kB |
| 04:25.35 | useruser | peterS: well lspci -vv | grep -ci modem returns 0 |
| 04:25.40 | useruser | peterS: this is the problem :) |
| 04:25.48 | npx | useruser, they might not say 'modem' |
| 04:25.48 | peterS | useruser: how old is this machine? |
| 04:25.49 | Flimzy | I guess I'm still old-school with apt-get and dselect |
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| 04:26.02 | npx | Flimzy, I've never used dselect |
| 04:26.18 | Flimzy | npx: I started using Debian when that's all there was |
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| 04:26.31 | npx | I was using rh 5.2 back then =( |
| 04:26.45 | alnr | how can I downgrade gcc using apt-get? |
| 04:26.47 | Flimzy | I started using Debian before RH 5.2 was in pre-alpha |
| 04:27.01 | Flimzy | I think RH 3 was out when I started using Debian |
| 04:27.05 | Flimzy | maybe RH 4 |
| 04:27.08 | peterS | alnr: you can't, in general. you can look to see if you have old gcc package files in /var/cache/apt/archives, and if so, install them with 'dpkg -i' |
| 04:27.09 | useruser | peterS: not entirely sure.. about 5 years? it's a PIII 800Mhz |
| 04:27.22 | Walther | i'm leeter then thou |
| 04:27.32 | peterS | useruser: probably doesn't use ISAPNP, then, but who knows. install 'isapnptools' and run 'pnpdump' |
| 04:27.34 | npx | yeah I'm developing an inferiority complex flimzy =( |
| 04:27.45 | Flimzy | heh |
| 04:27.56 | npx | =P |
| 04:27.56 | Flimzy | now that I think of it, RH 4.2 was out |
| 04:28.05 | Flimzy | b/c I tried to install RH 4.2, and it failed about 4 times over dialup 28.8 |
| 04:28.09 | npx | 5.2 is so full of remote holes by default |
| 04:28.13 | Flimzy | so I did Debian instead... b/c it had a resume feature |
| 04:28.20 | npx | it makes win2k look secure =/ |
| 04:28.27 | Flimzy | Debian hamm, was it? |
| 04:28.29 | useruser | peterS: hmm, i suspect it's more like 3 years old |
| 04:28.30 | Flimzy | or was bo first? |
| 04:28.37 | peterS | bo was before hamm |
| 04:28.45 | Flimzy | okay... I used bo first |
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| 04:28.56 | Flimzy | bo, hamm, potato, woody? am I missing one? |
| 04:28.57 | useruser | peterS: running pnpdump... No boards found |
| 04:28.58 | gaasfet | wazzup with my cd mounting, /media/cdrom0 keeps vanishing and I cannot unmount, even in root, but xcdroast can ???? |
| 04:28.59 | vook | of course linux was competing with NT then, which was a trainreck |
| 04:29.06 | peterS | Flimzy: bo hamm *slink* potato woody |
| 04:29.10 | Flimzy | right |
| 04:29.15 | npx | vook we've come so far =D |
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| 04:29.16 | Flimzy | whee... I'm a 5-generation Debian user |
| 04:29.21 | peterS | useruser: can you paste your 'lspci' output somewhere? #flood or using a pastebot? |
| 04:29.27 | vook | :) |
| 04:29.34 | useruser | peterS: ok, i'll dump it in #flood |
| 04:29.42 | Flimzy | and you can tell I'm losing my geekyness... I can't even remember what versions I've used any more :/ |
| 04:29.57 | npx | hah |
| 04:30.02 | npx | may as well pack up your install CDs and go man |
| 04:30.07 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 04:30.07 | npx | you've lost the touch |
| 04:30.16 | Flimzy | I haven't had a computer job for nearly 2 years now |
| 04:30.18 | npx | lol, <cue 80's sad riff here> |
| 04:30.19 | dan2 | ~! |
| 04:30.20 | apt | ! is, like, what my big sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not, or what dpkg uses dumbass |
| 04:30.25 | ugen64 | i started... about six months ago ^_^ |
| 04:30.27 | dan2 | !! |
| 04:30.27 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 04:30.30 | dan2 | :) |
| 04:30.31 | Flimzy | altho it's likely I'll be starting another one in ~2 mos... so maybe there's still hope for me |
| 04:30.54 | npx | I work at a grocery store |
| 04:31.00 | Flimzy | I work at Denny's |
| 04:31.10 | npx | I dined'n'dashed at denny's last week |
| 04:31.13 | initech | denny's? |
| 04:31.21 | npx | (B&R owes me $176!) |
| 04:31.22 | Flimzy | npx: I hate you bastards |
| 04:31.23 | initech | doing what? |
| 04:31.42 | npx | Hey man, all they gotta do is send me a check and the rampage ends |
| 04:31.44 | ugen64 | ~a |
| 04:31.45 | apt | hmm... a is not b |
| 04:31.45 | Flimzy | npx: Since I switched from 3rd shift to 1st, tho, I don't hafta deal with you so much any more :P |
| 04:32.33 | npx | Flimzy do you get a lot of d&ds ? |
| 04:32.48 | Flimzy | npx: On 3rd shift, probably 2-3/week |
| 04:32.55 | npx | nice |
| 04:33.03 | Flimzy | npx: Haven't had any at all on 1st shift since I moved there ~4 weeks ago |
| 04:33.46 | alnr | hmm i dpkg installed gcc_4%3a3.3.4-2_i386.deb but gcc -v still reports 3.3.5 |
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| 04:33.59 | npx | I just don't feel bad about it...I had to argue with them every check about them being short, and they were just generally *terrible* employers... now that they owe me $176 I feel downright justified shafting them |
| 04:34.00 | Flimzy | npx: where do you live? |
| 04:34.09 | npx | I get free food at Wendy's very regularly |
| 04:34.13 | npx | southern indiana |
| 04:34.34 | vook | npx: wo man, your in my backyard, Bloomington |
| 04:34.45 | Flimzy | npx: You used to work for Denny's? Or same franchise co anyway? |
| 04:34.49 | npx | killer, evansville here |
| 04:34.58 | npx | Flimzy yeah BR and associates |
| 04:35.01 | peterS | alnr: gcc isn't the only gcc package |
| 04:35.03 | npx | Grandy's |
| 04:35.10 | peterS | alnr: in particular, /usr/bin/gcc is I think in the cpp package |
| 04:35.16 | Flimzy | npx: The franchise here owns a few Wendy's and most Denny's in Oklahoma and Kansas |
| 04:35.23 | peterS | alnr: look for all package files with that version number in them, they're probably all gcc-related |
| 04:35.37 | alnr | peterS: oh...ok thanks |
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| 04:35.41 | npx | Their anti-union video was ~2x as long as their on-the-job safety video |
| 04:35.50 | npx | which I thought was a pretty great sign, right off the bat |
| 04:35.53 | The_Vulture | peterS: I'm pretty sure /usr/bin/gcc is in gcc-3.3 |
| 04:36.02 | Flimzy | npx: no union here to worry about |
| 04:36.17 | peterS | The_Vulture: no, it's in the 'gcc' metapackage, as it turns out |
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| 04:36.29 | The_Vulture | peterS: apparently |
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| 04:36.43 | The_Vulture | which depends on *-3.3, *nods* |
| 04:36.46 | peterS | The_Vulture: dlocate -S is very smart |
| 04:36.53 | The_Vulture | apt-file search |
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| 04:37.07 | The_Vulture | since I don't have the gcc metapackage installed |
| 04:37.10 | peterS | ah, no need for apt-file for something I know I've got installed on my system |
| 04:37.23 | The_Vulture | well I have it on one system, but not the one I chose to search.. :) |
| 04:38.06 | peterS | hmm, over 1.2 GB in /var/cache/apt/archives. I suppose I should 'autoclean' at some point here |
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| 04:39.41 | hairy_potter | peterS: 1.2GB and clean for it? |
| 04:40.13 | initech | npx: why is an anti union video a good sign? |
| 04:40.20 | peterS | hairy_potter: who's got a small disk here? I've still got 19 GB free in that partition, so it's hardly an urgent matter |
| 04:41.43 | gaasfet | wazzup with my cd mounting, /media/cdrom0 keeps vanishing and I cannot unmount, even in root, but xcdroast can ???? |
| 04:41.58 | gaasfet | some permission thing? |
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| 04:42.21 | ugen64 | i've got 40 GB for linux... mostly for my /usr partition |
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| 04:42.49 | gaasfet | get more for ripping DVD's |
| 04:42.59 | vook | ugen64: woohoo, thank you, you have a /usr partition. |
| 04:43.05 | budluva | can somone suggest what i should set my dir perms for /webmail to? |
| 04:43.10 | steve | hey- where's a place i can post stuff- like at #flood but thats too long for #flood |
| 04:43.10 | budluva | im using squirrelmail |
| 04:43.20 | Guerin | budluva: 750 |
| 04:43.20 | dondelelcaro | steve: /msg dpkg paster |
| 04:43.22 | ugen64 | debian's auto partition leaves too little space for /usr |
| 04:43.29 | ugen64 | i had like 1.5 GB for /usr and like 15 GB for /home ... |
| 04:43.38 | ugen64 | so i reinstalled :) |
| 04:43.40 | dondelelcaro | ugen64: that's actually about right for typical setups |
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| 04:43.44 | ugen64 | really? |
| 04:43.55 | Guerin | budluva: though it depends what the user/group ownerships are |
| 04:44.00 | ugen64 | well i guess if you install a bnuch of single-user programs... |
| 04:44.16 | Flimzy | Has anyone experienced problems with privoxy dying frequently, every few hours/days? |
| 04:44.25 | dondelelcaro | ugen64: you'd possibly want a bit more, like 2G, but for most people, that's about right. The majority of the space should go to /home, anyway |
| 04:44.29 | peterS | ugen64: you can install an awful lot of debian software in 1.5 GB. some machines will need more, but really, very few |
| 04:45.21 | ugen64 | peters, well i had both gnome and kde installed, along with alot of other stuff, i had only about 200 MB left |
| 04:45.37 | peterS | ugen64: yeah, I guess if you do full installs of gnome and kde both, that would eat some space |
| 04:45.47 | ugen64 | but now i gave too much to /usr and not enough to /home... bleh |
| 04:45.52 | initech | i put at least 6Gb for /usr is separate, at least |
| 04:45.53 | budluva | Guerin, well im lost, i've set /usr/share/squirrelmail to 777 and i still get a 403 forbidden |
| 04:45.56 | jetscreamer | which is the default 'desktop' tasksel d-i |
| 04:45.57 | budluva | Guerin, thats why i was asking |
| 04:46.05 | ugen64 | hm, i'm not on linux right now... =\ |
| 04:46.18 | peterS | ugen64: I'd agree with those who say 2 GB for /usr is about right, assuming you have plenty of space such that 2 GB isn't eating all of it |
| 04:46.42 | ugen64 | well once enlightenment DR 17 comes out, i'll have plenty of space left :) |
| 04:47.03 | ugen64 | because i'll probably uninstall kde :) |
| 04:47.10 | peterS | I wonder if E 18 will be a rewrite of E 17 |
| 04:47.20 | ugen64 | well i got the CVS source for E17, but its useless |
| 04:47.33 | ugen64 | all of the menus have buttons like "This is a very long button for testing purposes" |
| 04:47.40 | peterS | heh |
| 04:48.02 | Guerin | budluva: 403 forbidden when trying to do what? run php or view a file? |
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| 04:48.32 | budluva | http://cronicnet.no-ip.org/webmail |
| 04:49.06 | budluva | Guerin, /webmail = /usr/share/squirrelmail as defined in my httpd.conf |
| 04:49.19 | Guerin | budluva: is the containing directory readable to the apache user? |
| 04:49.50 | budluva | drwxrwxrwx 12 root root 4096 Dec 15 14:18 squirrelmail |
| 04:50.04 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 04:50.13 | simonrvn | @lart budluva |
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| 04:50.27 | budluva | ? |
| 04:50.28 | simonrvn | 755 is *plenty* |
| 04:50.44 | peterS | well, 755 plus the correct owner |
| 04:50.54 | Guerin | budluva: the CONTAINING directory |
| 04:51.04 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:51.07 | Guerin | it's /usr/share |
| 04:51.08 | simonrvn | the s/w doesn't need to write to that dir |
| 04:51.14 | budluva | containing dir = /usr/share/squirrelmail right? |
| 04:51.23 | budluva | Guerin, those are the permissions for /usr/share/squirrelmail |
| 04:51.24 | simonrvn | (it's not supposed to anyway) |
| 04:51.24 | Guerin | yeah, 750 root:www-data should be enough |
| 04:51.34 | budluva | Guerin, ok lemme try |
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| 04:51.54 | Guerin | initech: too late |
| 04:52.07 | initech | Guerin: ok, the other one then! |
| 04:52.12 | vook | budluva: if you read through the squirrelmail docs, you'll find a section that tells you what the permissions should be. |
| 04:52.18 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:52.28 | Segers_J | can I achieve the effect of "mount - -rbind /somewhere /some/place/else" from within fstab? |
| 04:52.32 | Guerin | squirrelmail is peasy to set up |
| 04:52.39 | budluva | ???? well setting 777 to the squirrelmail dir should do it |
| 04:52.49 | budluva | smokey:/usr/share# chmod 750 root:www-data squirrelmail/ |
| 04:52.49 | budluva | chmod: cannot access `root:www-data': No such file or directory |
| 04:52.56 | vook | eek nonono |
| 04:53.21 | jetscreamer | man chown |
| 04:53.21 | jetscreamer | aka other way |
| 04:53.21 | Guerin | jeebus |
| 04:53.27 | Segers_J | budluva I hope you are kidding about 777. |
| 04:53.38 | vook | budluva: do you really want people who visit your site to be able to write to that directory freely? |
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| 04:53.46 | budluva | oh, chown -c root:www-data squirrelmail/ correct? |
| 04:53.50 | initech | ok, i just totally gave up in #samba |
| 04:53.54 | Guerin | no |
| 04:53.59 | jetscreamer | what is -c |
| 04:54.09 | Guerin | budluva: jesus, just read the chown/chmod docs |
| 04:54.13 | simonrvn | info chmod, info chown |
| 04:54.15 | budluva | im reading man chown |
| 04:54.21 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 04:54.24 | hairy_potter | | |
| 04:54.25 | Guerin | budluva: you NEED to know this shit if you're to run a web server |
| 04:54.28 | hairy_potter | shit |
| 04:54.35 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 04:54.37 | simonrvn | Guerin: no fucking kidding :) |
| 04:54.46 | Guerin | most important thing EVAR |
| 04:54.55 | hairy_potter | :P |
| 04:54.57 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 04:55.00 | hairy_potter | | |
| 04:55.03 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 04:55.04 | hairy_potter | () |
| 04:55.06 | hairy_potter | shit! |
| 04:55.07 | Guerin | nice |
| 04:55.18 | hairy_potter | i was about to draw a big ball below that guy |
| 04:55.19 | simonrvn | Guerin: you know there was actual "advice" like that on some mock os forums? "oh just chmod -R 777 everything" |
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| 04:55.23 | hairy_potter | like /() |
| 04:55.31 | simonrvn | fucking braindead |
| 04:55.35 | Guerin | if you'd been paying attention, could have got a yaydude standing on a loldude's shoulders |
| 04:55.52 | Guerin | simonrvn: ... |
| 04:55.52 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 04:55.53 | peterS | Guerin: yeah but that would just be yay |
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| 04:55.59 | Azar | out of luck with the new LCD monitor... |
| 04:55.59 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 04:56.02 | hairy_potter | simonrvn: you aren' lucky |
| 04:56.02 | Guerin | peterS: wouldn't it just haave been |
| 04:56.03 | hairy_potter | :P |
| 04:56.06 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 04:56.08 | hairy_potter | | |
| 04:56.09 | hairy_potter | shit |
| 04:56.10 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.10 | hairy_potter | ;/ |
| 04:56.11 | Azar | :P lol simonrvn |
| 04:56.18 | simonrvn | add a space... |
| 04:56.19 | Guerin | !lose everyone |
| 04:56.21 | dpkg | everyone: You Lose. |
| 04:56.27 | hairy_potter | simonrvn: my nick is too big |
| 04:56.27 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 04:56.29 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.30 | peterS | ok people, you can practice in #flood |
| 04:56.32 | npx | unix permissions are actually pretty easy |
| 04:56.34 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 04:56.35 | npx | just read up on the |
| 04:56.39 | npx | with extra m |
| 04:56.57 | peterS | npx: btw, please turn off publicly telling us about auto-away |
| 04:56.59 | Azar | what was that, simonrvn? desesperation? |
| 04:57.08 | npx | peterS, my bad |
| 04:57.17 | hairy_potter | npx: indeed |
| 04:57.19 | Azar | :) |
| 04:57.28 | jetscreamer | you own that bad? are you SURE it's yours? |
| 04:57.35 | jetscreamer | got a title? |
| 04:57.38 | simonrvn | there, good enough to do ... |
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| 04:58.37 | initech | how do gentoo users figure out how to install that crap when they don't know the most absolutely basic shit? this is starting to amaze me |
| 04:58.54 | hairy_potter | initech: thats life |
| 04:59.19 | peterS | initech: gentoo docs are very step-by-step, from what I hear |
| 04:59.26 | npx | rote learning, hehe |
| 04:59.28 | peterS | initech: in other words - no need to *learn*, just follow steps exactly |
| 05:00.19 | hairy_potter | and apparently what sucks is that gentoo users think they know a lot just because they followed the steps |
| 05:00.36 | Guerin | and watched the make output |
| 05:00.39 | Guerin | don't forget that |
| 05:00.40 | peterS | oh yeah |
| 05:00.48 | peterS | watching compile lines scroll by is very very educational |
| 05:00.50 | ledestin | how do you define "know a lot"? |
| 05:00.52 | peterS | it tells you that mozilla is big |
| 05:00.57 | initech | dunno. i took one look at the gentoo "installer" a year or so ago, and couldn't be bothered. now all these people who don't know what port ssh runs on have managed to install it |
| 05:01.07 | Guerin | irony: my machine is slow enough that I actually CAN read make output :) |
| 05:01.12 | peterS | Guerin: heh |
| 05:01.23 | hairy_potter | ledestin: the arrogance tells it |
| 05:01.46 | hairy_potter | Guerin: heh |
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| 05:03.00 | vook | hello brother |
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| 05:03.03 | ledestin | hairy_potter: that's not direct definition. I find most docs enough step-by-step |
| 05:03.05 | Voot | what is the command to find out what programs are using a resource (i.e., when i'm trying to umount, and the device or resource is busy) |
| 05:03.15 | initech | vook: lsof |
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| 05:03.23 | budluva | Guerin, drwxr-x--- 12 root www-data 4096 Dec 15 14:18 squirrelmail |
| 05:03.24 | Voot | hi vook sup? |
| 05:03.26 | Voot | lol |
| 05:03.35 | budluva | i chown root:www-data squirrelmail/ |
| 05:03.39 | initech | voot: lsof |
| 05:03.41 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 05:03.41 | budluva | then chmod 750 squirrelmail/ |
| 05:03.44 | budluva | right? |
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| 05:03.53 | Voot | initech, thanks! |
| 05:03.55 | initech | damn tab completion |
| 05:03.55 | budluva | thats what i did |
| 05:04.08 | jetscreamer | 755 or 750 is good |
| 05:04.08 | initech | xchat has finally starteed to piss me off |
| 05:04.40 | hairy_potter | ledestin: true. but the d-i does not tell you that you have to press 'ALT+F2' and then type 'mount' to see whats mounted. |
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| 05:05.24 | initech | hairy_potter: then neither does RH or mandrake or ... |
| 05:05.33 | jetscreamer | 755 or 750 is good <<--- is question |
| 05:05.56 | hairy_potter | initech: i give up. whats your point? |
| 05:06.04 | Voot | vook, what does vook mean, anyway? |
| 05:06.21 | initech | the RH "expert" i was working with today did not know how to do <ctrl><alt><fX> to get out of X. Not a good sign |
| 05:06.41 | initech | Voot: someone else's nick, sorry |
| 05:06.44 | vook | Voot: vook is the word I came up with while playing DOS Family Fued in the mid 1980's. I was the vook family. |
| 05:06.54 | hairy_potter | initech: yeah, because he didn't "learn". |
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| 05:07.07 | hairy_potter | initech: the point is its difficult to continue for long in Debian without "learning". |
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| 05:07.09 | budluva | Guerin, any clue why my webmail client wont see my mysql db? i create a justatest user with postfix admin, and then i try and login and it says invalid user, its like squirrelmail isnt even trying to connect to the mysql db, same thing with other webmail client (horde2) |
| 05:07.18 | Voot | LOL |
| 05:07.24 | initech | hairy_potter: debian is for the curios, and the motivated |
| 05:07.55 | hairy_potter | initech: exactly. debian has its inbuilt filter to filter out non-rtfming, non-stfwing people |
| 05:08.17 | initech | RH seems to attract drones |
| 05:08.34 | Guerin | budluva: squirrelmail doesn't connect to the mysqldb - it connects to your imap server. |
| 05:08.37 | dondelelcaro | initech: that's not a good sign |
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| 05:09.16 | initech | dondelelcaro: indeed. that's pretty basic. I mean, I learned that I think within a few minutes of using slackware 3.6 |
| 05:09.51 | initech | in fact, I think i just discovered that on my own, playing around |
| 05:09.54 | dondelelcaro | initech: yeah, sounds like you should be keeping good backups... this individual sounds like a good canidate for having an accidental "rm -rf /" episode |
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| 05:10.16 | budluva | Guerin, well i can login to postfix admin and create domains, and users, but i cant login via my webmail, so how would i test my imap server settings? |
| 05:10.30 | initech | dondelelcaro: lol. i am in charge of backups. these people are in charge of (gasp) *design* |
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| 05:11.54 | Guerin | budluva: telnet; any other imap client |
| 05:13.06 | dondelelcaro | if for no other reason than almost no one would sponsor them |
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| 05:13.33 | fishhead | holyCANUCK |
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| 05:14.13 | holycow | hi btw |
| 05:14.17 | fishhead | hi :) |
| 05:14.23 | holycow | >_> |
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| 05:16.08 | hairy_potter | holycow: is that 'smiley' supposed to be two boobs? |
| 05:16.47 | holycow | considering your nick, i refuse to answer that question |
| 05:17.00 | happy_brocolli | i have no man update-rc.d |
| 05:17.02 | holycow | <_< |
| 05:17.11 | holycow | hahaha |
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| 05:17.19 | holycow | happy_brocolli, love that nick |
| 05:17.29 | steve | hey- how do i mount a hard drive? |
| 05:17.39 | zinx | with the 'mount' command |
| 05:17.41 | holycow | ./me contemplates changing his nick to mediocre-mushroom |
| 05:17.42 | happy_brocolli | holycow: i modeled it after angry_parsley |
| 05:17.43 | fishhead | ever notice that "hairy potter and the chamber is secrets" sounds like a documentry on the catholic bishop molestation scandal |
| 05:17.51 | steve | zinx : but how? |
| 05:17.55 | zinx | steve: rtfm :P |
| 05:18.01 | steve | i want to mount a second hard drive |
| 05:18.31 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:18.38 | fishhead | horny sob aren't you |
| 05:18.41 | happy_brocolli | steve: see if /etc/fstab has an entry |
| 05:18.44 | fishhead | CANUCK! |
| 05:19.00 | cwood | What? What??? |
| 05:19.05 | steve | ath1400:/home/steve# cd /etc/fstab |
| 05:19.05 | steve | bash: cd: /etc/fstab: Not a directory |
| 05:19.05 | steve | ath1400:/home/steve# |
| 05:19.05 | holycow | well zinx is right, but in short, you will need to add some info into your /etc/fstab file then do mount /mnt/whereveryourmountpointis, i.e. google |
| 05:19.23 | fishhead | cwood you are a CANUCK! |
| 05:19.28 | cwood | I have noticed. |
| 05:19.34 | fishhead | :P |
| 05:19.41 | steve | how do i add the info |
| 05:20.00 | zinx | f'n lazy stupids |
| 05:20.28 | jjazz | steve: man fstab |
| 05:20.36 | cwood | Start by reading 'man fstab' and 'man vi' or 'man emacs' or something. |
| 05:21.07 | cwood | Woohoo! I really should check the bts before I try to restart my xdm: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=285782 |
| 05:21.25 | jjazz | steve: you can edit /etc/fstab directly |
| 05:21.30 | steve | ok |
| 05:21.41 | steve | what should i put there? |
| 05:22.07 | cwood | Steve: Your time might be better put learning the format of the file, why it exists, and so on. Then you won't do anything potentially hazardous to a vital system file. |
| 05:22.24 | zinx | !handhold steve |
| 05:22.25 | budluva | anyone know where i could get some information on rss feeds? i want to have rss feeds on my site instead of my news.html page |
| 05:22.33 | budluva | what do i use to generate them? |
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| 05:22.36 | steve | okay- i know i seem like a lazyass- but here's my problem |
| 05:22.41 | jjazz | budluva: check out blosxom |
| 05:22.47 | budluva | ok thanks |
| 05:22.47 | zinx | hmm that wasn't the right one :/ |
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| 05:23.21 | mwilson | cwood: Apparently you don't bother to read d-u or d-d either. |
| 05:23.21 | steve | i wrote a paper for school on one debian machine. now it's ethernet card broke, so i have no way to transfer it besides plugging the HD into my computer |
| 05:23.24 | jjazz | budluva: It's not packaged. It's just a CGI. It's designed as a blog tool, but is very flexible and powerful... easy to adapt. |
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| 05:23.36 | peterS | wheeeee |
| 05:23.52 | cwood | No, and allegedly I should. ;-) |
| 05:23.56 | imad | hi. a quick question about vmstat output. Theres this parameter 'io'. Its lists 'bi' and 'bo' values. My understanding is the 'bi' is the blocks written TO the disk and 'bo' is the blocks read FROM the disk. Is that right?? |
| 05:24.06 | Stupendoussteve | steve: Although this is the Gentoo handbook, it's got good information about fstab (justy don't follow the steps in it), mostly the "what things stand for" - http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=8#doc_chap1 |
| 05:24.10 | TheStar | What is better to use rather than checkinstall? |
| 05:24.17 | budluva | jjazz, blosxom is for blogging, i want something for rss feeds |
| 05:24.35 | cwood | I've had trouble in the past keeping up with d-u due to volume. Only so many hours in the day. |
| 05:24.47 | Segers_J | I've forgotten what makes it stop complaining about locale definitions missing, I installed locales, and selected en_us utf8 but that didn't do it. What am I forgetting? |
| 05:24.50 | jjazz | budluva: blosxom is just a way to repackage text files. It very easily outputs RSS feeds formatted however you please. |
| 05:25.11 | mwilson | Segers_J: Actually selecting a locale that you've built? |
| 05:25.27 | jjazz | budluva: Basically, it will read a bunch of .txt files, order them by timestamp and spit them out as RSS. It can do this right out of the box. |
| 05:25.51 | Segers_J | mwilson sounds plausible, can you suggest a man page please? |
| 05:26.08 | cwood | steve: You can plug the machine in, and then use mount commands to mount the right partition somewhere. See 'man mount', but generically: mkdir /tmp/old_drive; mount /dev/hd[bcd][1234] /tmp/old_drive |
| 05:26.08 | mwilson | Segers_J: Suggest a man page for what? |
| 05:26.25 | Segers_J | mwilson building locales |
| 05:26.57 | cwood | Sorry, plug the hd in. |
| 05:27.02 | mwilson | Segers_J: What locale are you trying to use? |
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| 05:27.16 | glick | hey does anyone here use hydrogen? |
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| 05:27.31 | glick | is there anyway that you can import more then one drumkit at a time |
| 05:27.43 | Segers_J | mwilson I don't remember the exact string, but it was en_us and utf8 |
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| 05:28.26 | mwilson | Segers_J: You don't "remember"? You're the one that told it to use something other than "C" for the locale... that's why it's complaining at you. |
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| 05:29.58 | Segers_J | mwilson: I want you to have happiness and the causes of future happiness, to advance that goal I will now stop speaking to you while I still have full control over my temper. :) |
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| 05:30.33 | TheStar | Segers_J: Build en_us if you want, but just leave C as the default. |
| 05:30.35 | sword- | nite mwilson |
| 05:30.40 | mwilson | Translation: I screwed it up but it still must not be my fault. |
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| 05:31.24 | TheStar | *sigh* |
| 05:31.39 | TheStar | Checkinstall failed, trying to overwrite /usr/share/doc/INSTALL |
| 05:31.42 | TheStar | How do I fix that? |
| 05:32.11 | cafuego | dpkg -i --force-overwrite; reportbug checkinstall |
| 05:32.29 | jjazz | Segers_J: I have the same problem with locales. I'm told the solution is to select C as your default locale, but I haven't gotten around to trying it or figuring it out. |
| 05:32.38 | budluva | jjazz, ok, installing blosxom now |
| 05:33.06 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 05:33.12 | mwilson | No, the solution is to actually provide support for whatever locale you've told it to use. |
| 05:33.19 | TheStar | cafuego: Thanks. |
| 05:33.25 | jetscreamer | that too |
| 05:33.29 | jetscreamer | nn mwilson |
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| 05:34.53 | sword- | stock up on vitamin C =) |
| 05:34.57 | Segers_J | jjazz: I got it working on my box somehow, I remember that installing the locales package was part of it, but I'm helping a friend set up his box right now, and I've not got access to mine from here :/ :)ds |
| 05:35.44 | jjazz | Segers_J: I'm sure I'll get around to figuring it out some time. So far it hasn't been a problem, although my KDM login screen was in Spanish for a couple of days. ;) |
| 05:36.04 | Segers_J | hahahaheh |
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| 05:38.17 | imad | hi. a quick question about vmstat output. Theres this parameter 'io'. Its lists 'bi' and 'bo' values. My understanding is the 'bi' is the blocks written TO the disk and 'bo' is the blocks read FROM the disk. Is that right?? |
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| 05:39.30 | ananke | imad : man vmstat clearly states that |
| 05:39.40 | ananke | actually, it's the other way around |
| 05:41.28 | imad | ananke: but here is the snippet from vmware man page: |
| 05:41.29 | imad | billatq: Blocks sent to a block device (blocks/s). |
| 05:41.36 | imad | bob2: Blocks received from a block device (blocks/s). |
| 05:41.44 | Segers_J | jetscreamer: aha! that sounds familiar, thanks. |
| 05:41.57 | imad | bo Blocks received from a block device (blocks/s). |
| 05:42.00 | imad | bi Blocks sent to a block device (blocks/s). |
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| 05:42.21 | billatq | Huh? |
| 05:42.26 | imad | so bo is blocks received from block device (hd). is that so? or am i wrong |
| 05:42.52 | imad | billatq: sorry. wrong call. i used "bi:" and it went to you :| |
| 05:43.19 | ananke | imad : uhmm, frist, why are you talking about vmware? |
| 05:43.42 | imad | ananke: oops. sorry. i meant vmstat |
| 05:44.02 | imad | ananke: The way man page puts it, it sound the other way around... |
| 05:44.25 | ananke | imad : second, my man page says the opposite: bi: Blocks received from a block device (blocks/s)., bo: Blocks sent to a block device (blocks/s). |
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| 05:44.51 | ananke | [which makes more sense] |
| 05:45.04 | markl_ | what is the easiest way for root to launch a script as a user whose shell is /sbin/nologin |
| 05:45.04 | imad | ananke: i swear my man page says EXACTLY the opposite!! i use vinilla debian stable. what debian is yours?? |
| 05:45.13 | ananke | imad ; i don't use debian :) |
| 05:45.28 | ananke | Throatwobbler Ginkgo Labs 27 July 1994 VMSTAT(8) |
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| 05:45.34 | imad | ananke: what are you doing here then? |
| 05:45.48 | ananke | imad : i don't have to use debian to be here, duh |
| 05:46.26 | zignig | BLEH! |
| 05:46.27 | imad | ananke: be my guest. and thanks. i guess there a problem with the man page which got rectified later. ta |
| 05:46.59 | ananke | imad : thanks to the fact that i do NOT use debian, you now know that there may be a problem with your man page |
| 05:47.01 | cLick | how do I configure usb mouse to work with X? |
| 05:47.20 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.21 | imad | cLick: pull its tail and scare it with a cat |
| 05:47.23 | streuner | cLick: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 05:47.28 | ananke | cLick : same way as you'd configure any other mouse. point x to the proper device |
| 05:48.05 | imad | i am loosing my head. before someone bans me i should be heading home :P |
| 05:48.08 | ananke | cLick : /dev/input/mice like jetscreamer said is most likely the right device |
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| 05:48.48 | cLick | ok. btw is there a way to quit X without a mouse? because I already had to use hard reset twice because I didn't know how to exit |
| 05:48.58 | jetscreamer | ctrl alt bckspace |
| 05:49.05 | ananke | cLick : a rude way would be ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 05:49.14 | cLick | i tried, it didn't seem to work |
| 05:49.15 | jetscreamer | what's a nice way |
| 05:49.16 | ananke | cLick : that will basically kill x |
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| 05:49.38 | ananke | jetscreamer : telling your window manager to close |
| 05:49.49 | shwag | need help. hylafax isn't running the faxrcvd script. |
| 05:49.49 | ananke | jetscreamer : however, both ways work :) |
| 05:50.05 | jetscreamer | if you use x/g/k(dm) shell out and /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or whatever) |
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| 05:50.22 | npx | or just crtl+alt+backspace and log back into X |
| 05:50.34 | jetscreamer | he said it 'didn't work' |
| 05:50.43 | npx | oh, that's lame |
| 05:51.04 | jjazz | cLick: cntrl-alt-f1, then /etc/init.d/xdm stop (or whatever your window manger is) |
| 05:51.14 | jetscreamer | deja vu |
| 05:51.20 | jetscreamer | glitch |
| 05:51.20 | cLick | maybe i started cfdisk before running X, that seems to make ctrl+alt+del not work in console as well |
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| 05:51.39 | jetscreamer | owe-kay |
| 05:51.52 | sword- | ? |
| 05:52.16 | ananke | cLick : cfdisk doesn't have anything to do with that problem |
| 05:52.18 | rend | haha, just found a data dvd copyright 1998.. who the hell had a dvd rom drive on their computer in 1998? |
| 05:52.38 | jetscreamer | corp |
| 05:52.39 | alamar | hi guys, i`m having a little problem with my devices. as user i can`t use the ipv6 address of eth0 with irssi, as root it works fine. i get a "Cannot assign requested address" error |
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| 05:54.17 | mateja | what's the most popular dvd burning application for linux? |
| 05:54.19 | FaithX | Hey can some one help me??? I want to run dhcpd with different subnets on different NICs ... |
| 05:54.46 | alamar | mateja: growisofs |
| 05:54.51 | alamar | i think k3b would be it |
| 05:54.51 | zignig | does any one know how to make a splash.rle file ( grub frame-buffer boot screen ) ? |
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| 05:55.02 | peterS | FaithX: just use multiple subnet declarations |
| 05:55.07 | alamar | no ideas about my address problem? |
| 05:55.08 | mateja | alainm, thx |
| 05:55.13 | peterS | FaithX: dhcpd knows about only using a subnet for the interface that talks to that subnet |
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| 05:55.16 | streuner | meteja: you want burn DVD's or you are working on a study of linux? |
| 05:55.28 | mateja | alamar, thx |
| 05:55.41 | mateja | streuner, burn dvds |
| 05:55.42 | glick | hey whats the name of thta radio streamer program gunstreamer or something? |
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| 05:56.12 | streuner | meteja: /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.DVD |
| 05:56.13 | mateja | i guess k3b will work. thank you |
| 05:56.16 | helloyo | i installed a brand new harddrive and formatted it with ext3, but now i can't create folders (i could yesterday), but i can write to the disk |
| 05:56.19 | FaithX | peterS, true |
| 05:56.21 | FaithX | Ok |
| 05:56.22 | glick | whats the name of that app?" |
| 05:57.01 | sword- | okay so im trying to play a song off of a dvd |
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| 05:57.09 | sword- | and xmms freezes |
| 05:57.18 | sword- | wtf? |
| 05:57.20 | sword- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.21 | FaithX | peterS, I thought it dish out all declarations on all interfaces |
| 05:57.39 | Phated | glick: gstreamer? |
| 05:57.43 | peterS | FaithX: nah, it lets you scope stuff by subnet |
| 05:57.44 | Phated | !info gstreamer |
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| 05:58.01 | Phated | Apparently not. Oh well. |
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| 05:59.55 | jetscreamer | !info gstreamer-alsa |
| 05:59.57 | dpkg | gstreamer-alsa: (ALSA plugin for GStreamer), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-5.1 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 06:00.04 | nvz | gstreamer is the gnome sound combonant that sucks ass |
| 06:00.11 | FaithX | peterS, Oh, look... so it does :) |
| 06:00.13 | FaithX | tnx |
| 06:00.42 | jetscreamer | they're not folders they're directories |
| 06:00.57 | jetscreamer | they have a pretty picture of a manila folder as an icon |
| 06:01.02 | FaithX | peterS, excellent thanks for your help |
| 06:01.16 | peterS | FaithX: np |
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| 06:03.31 | Segers_J | mwilson: You will be gratified to know that the problem was entirely my fault for not reading the instructions in the setup for the locales package, specifically the instruction to run locale-gen afterward. |
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| 06:05.14 | glick | whats a good program to listen to internet radio casts? |
| 06:05.33 | streuner | xmms |
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| 06:08.54 | debian | glick: mplayer |
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| 06:09.18 | jstevens | how do I add an app to start along w/ xdm (eg, the xscreensaver |
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| 06:11.10 | jjazz | jstevens: ~/.xsession |
| 06:11.43 | jjazz | jstevens: or not. That will start when you log in, not when xdm starts |
| 06:12.11 | streuner___ | jstevens: in GNOME or KDE are sreensavers out of the box. |
| 06:12.24 | sword- | hey who here uses waimea? |
| 06:12.26 | jstevens | I'm using enlightenment though... |
| 06:12.42 | streuner___ | ob2 here |
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| 06:14.35 | jstevens | streuner: :-) so that kinda don't apply |
| 06:14.46 | jstevens | streuner___: :-) so that kinda don't apply |
| 06:14.56 | streuner___ | :-) |
| 06:15.06 | jstevens | streuner___: dang.. how many times are you logged in here? |
| 06:15.10 | jstevens | :-) |
| 06:15.16 | streuner___ | 2 |
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| 06:15.38 | streuner___ | one my server and the other my desktop-system |
| 06:15.43 | rich_ | Hello |
| 06:16.44 | Segers_J | rich_: greetings and salutations. :) |
| 06:16.46 | jstevens | streunner___: go tya |
| 06:16.55 | streuner___ | later |
| 06:17.18 | TheStar | How do I find out the details of a package that I have installed? |
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| 06:17.24 | jstevens | stupid typos! |
| 06:17.33 | jstevens | streunner___: got ya |
| 06:17.34 | TheStar | Rather than just the one in the mirror? |
| 06:17.35 | jstevens | there. |
| 06:17.38 | simonrvn | stuidi toyps |
| 06:17.43 | streuner_ | The Star: apt-cache show pkg |
| 06:17.45 | jstevens | LOL |
| 06:17.47 | jstevens | no doubt |
| 06:17.52 | TheStar | streuner___: What's with teh "___" ? :) |
| 06:17.57 | Segers_J | TheStar: dpkg specifically look at -S I think it was |
| 06:17.57 | Azar | I was not lucky in setting up my LCD monitor, XF86config did not take my settings.. :( |
| 06:18.01 | TheStar | streuner_: Doesn't that just show me the details of the one in the cache? |
| 06:18.06 | TheStar | Segers_J: Ahh, that'd be it, thanks. |
| 06:18.16 | streuner_ | TheStar: one is MrHyde the other Jekyl ;-) |
| 06:18.24 | jetscreamer | streuner________________ |
| 06:18.34 | jetscreamer | >S< |
| 06:18.36 | TheStar | Segers_J: Close... |
| 06:18.44 | Azar | oh well trying again |
| 06:18.48 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: J E T S C R E A M E R |
| 06:19.09 | jstevens | ok.. if I con't have a .xsession fjile.. how do I set a specific app to launch on login ( GKrellM ) |
| 06:19.14 | simonrvn | J. E. T. S. C. R. E. A. M. E. R. |
| 06:19.22 | streuner_ | haha |
| 06:19.30 | jstevens | WindowManager - enlightenment if that is pertinant |
| 06:19.54 | simonrvn | .xsession. you were told already |
| 06:20.01 | Segers_J | jstevens: make one |
| 06:20.10 | jetscreamer | si-mon, registered vocational nurse! |
| 06:20.15 | streuner_ | TheStar: yes |
| 06:20.19 | TheStar | Segers_J: Ahh, lowercase s :) |
| 06:20.23 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:20.28 | jstevens | simonrvn: you didn't read my message... |
| 06:20.39 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 06:20.54 | Segers_J | TheStar: ok, well I got close :} |
| 06:21.01 | simonrvn | yes i did. MAKE AN .xsession FILE. XDM READS $HOME/.xsession |
| 06:21.03 | jstevens | Segers_J: ok, and all I need to do is put that one line in there.. the command to launch the app, right? |
| 06:21.21 | jetscreamer | s/AN/a/ |
| 06:21.22 | streuner_ | TheStar: if you want details about the pkg itself, run 'dpkg -l (L) pkg' |
| 06:21.27 | Segers_J | jstevens: roger. |
| 06:21.29 | simonrvn | yes, with a backgrounding & |
| 06:21.42 | streuner_ | TheStar: installed packages* |
| 06:21.46 | jstevens | Sage: cool.. will do and test |
| 06:21.56 | jetscreamer | just use startx -e blah |
| 06:22.03 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 06:22.05 | Segers_J | d'oh right simonrvn |
| 06:22.24 | simonrvn | "but but then i have to edit it some more!!11!111" |