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| 00:01.19 | AngelGabriel | hiya people! |
| 00:01.30 | vMike | thanks |
| 00:01.38 | vMike | greycat |
| 00:01.39 | rdancer | sword-: wasn't raid something md was meant to setup? |
| 00:01.49 | sword- | anyone ever use raid+lvm? |
| 00:01.52 | sword- | well in sarge |
| 00:02.04 | sword- | you can allocate space for either LVM or Software RAID |
| 00:02.10 | FieldySnuts | or evms |
| 00:02.15 | sword- | right |
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| 00:02.29 | zbowling | why the hell did source forge choose fedora over debian again? |
| 00:02.30 | Anthro | sword-: I used LVM on cryptoloop on RAID. |
| 00:02.36 | cafuego | zbowling: marketing |
| 00:02.36 | FieldySnuts | i use software raid all over the place but never bothered with either |
| 00:02.43 | FieldySnuts | zbowling: because they are sellouts |
| 00:02.52 | rdancer | zbowling: for what? |
| 00:02.53 | thingfish | zbowling: what do you mean they chose fedora over debian. |
| 00:02.56 | zbowling | they upgraded from debian potato to fedora |
| 00:02.59 | Avantopia | how do I get information on the debian kernel mantra from <dpkg> ? |
| 00:03.01 | Anthro | zbowling: They are looking for new and interesting ways to make it difficult to upgrade. |
| 00:03.07 | thingfish | heh they'll be sorry |
| 00:03.07 | FieldySnuts | more like downgrade |
| 00:03.10 | cafuego | zbowling: That's not an upgrade, it's a downgrade. |
| 00:03.11 | rdancer | zbowling: potato? |
| 00:03.25 | sword- | Anthro how do you set it up? |
| 00:03.29 | FieldySnuts | fedora for a server? you have got to be kidding |
| 00:03.36 | zbowling | yep |
| 00:03.37 | sword- | i was thinking that you allocate space for lvm first |
| 00:03.40 | Anthro | cafuego: Now hold on. I may not like Fedora, but it's an upgrade from potato. |
| 00:03.40 | FieldySnuts | what a joke |
| 00:03.41 | cafuego | zbowling: I expect they REALLY wanted a 2.6 kernel in there, though. potato on boxes as huge as what they undoubtedly run is a waste. |
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| 00:03.52 | thingfish | I came from fedora, just switched to debian, fedora is not good for a production environment. |
| 00:03.56 | cafuego | Anthro: You are mistaken. |
| 00:03.59 | FieldySnuts | at least it's confirmed sourceforge are morons |
| 00:04.09 | AngelGabriel | Does anyone know of application that allows me to find windows shares on my subnet? And then map them to a mount on my system? |
| 00:04.09 | Avantopia | can someone here tell me the debian kernel mantra? |
| 00:04.17 | Anthro | sword-: No. You want to build your RAID first. If you want cryptoloop, that's a different story. I'd skip it. Most people don't need it, including me. |
| 00:04.19 | cafuego | Avantopia: Ommmmmmm |
| 00:04.19 | FieldySnuts | alan ginsberg? |
| 00:04.28 | sword- | i'm not doing a cryptoloop |
| 00:04.44 | sword- | Anthro once i build the raid 0...or allocate the space for it |
| 00:04.51 | cafuego | There's a good chance cryptoloop will get REMOVED from the kernel altogether nayway. |
| 00:04.51 | sword- | it won't let me create a LVM |
| 00:04.52 | rdancer | wait. they have been running *potato* for the years since woody's release? |
| 00:05.05 | sword- | this is all during the install |
| 00:05.09 | Avantopia | cafuego| what do I tell dpkg to give me a real answer? |
| 00:05.15 | cafuego | sword-: wtf are you creating lvm ON raid0 for? wtf are you using raid0??? |
| 00:05.22 | Anthro | sword-: Once you have your RAID set up, then you make the md device an LVM physical volume with pvcreate, add it to an LVM store with vgcreate, and create logical volumes from it with lvcreate. |
| 00:05.25 | cafuego | Avantopia: make-kpkg kernel-image? |
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| 00:05.31 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: to ensure data loss? |
| 00:05.47 | Anthro | sword-: Wait, you're doing RAID0? |
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| 00:05.54 | cafuego | sword-: lvm is raid0 minutes the bit where you lose all data when one disk fails. |
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| 00:05.59 | thingfish | the only people who would switch from debian to fedora are people that haven't used fedora before. |
| 00:06.01 | cafuego | sword-: DO NOT USE RAID0!!! |
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| 00:06.10 | justdust | is mysql-common in apt-cache the mysql server ? |
| 00:06.14 | Avantopia | cafuego| I ran ' make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg 2.6.8 ' |
| 00:06.15 | eyal | hello ! |
| 00:06.16 | sword- | Anthro ? |
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| 00:06.18 | Anthro | sword-: That's stupid. RAID0 is utterly useless. |
| 00:06.18 | sword- | yes raid 0 |
| 00:06.19 | FieldySnuts | raid0 shouldn't even have "raid" in it |
| 00:06.24 | sword- | i KNOW |
| 00:06.27 | cafuego | justdust: No, mysql-server is the server. |
| 00:06.27 | sword- | raid 0 isnt even raid |
| 00:06.29 | FieldySnuts | @lart sword- |
| 00:06.42 | sword- | hahahha wtf?! |
| 00:06.44 | Avantopia | cafuego| did I need the ' kernel-image ' ? |
| 00:06.52 | cafuego | sword-: Get rid of raid, use ONLY lvm is you want a big partition. |
| 00:06.53 | sword- | i see you all don't like raid 0... |
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| 00:06.53 | justdust | cafuego: I don't have that in apt-cache... what should I do ? |
| 00:07.05 | Anthro | sword-: Just run pvcreate on your physical volumes, create an LVM store from them with vgcreate, and create logical volumes as needed with lvcreate. |
| 00:07.07 | sword- | well i got two 80 gb hdds...i |
| 00:07.17 | sword- | Anthro just use lvm? |
| 00:07.18 | FieldySnuts | i'd strongly recommend raid1 |
| 00:07.21 | sword- | hmm |
| 00:07.26 | eyal | Question all : Is there any way i can link irc servers by clicking on the in Packetnews(for example) |
| 00:07.29 | sword- | FieldySnuts, once i get enough cash =) |
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| 00:07.44 | sword- | but i back up my data |
| 00:07.49 | eyal | Question all : Is there any way i can link irc servers by clicking it in Packetnews(for example) |
| 00:07.54 | rdancer | !room |
| 00:07.54 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 00:07.54 | Anthro | sword-: RAID1 would be a good idea. Or just straight LVM. Do you expect to actually use 160GB, or will 80GB be enough? |
| 00:07.55 | cafuego | sword-: You want a 160GB partition? Use lvm. if one disk dies, you still have the data on the other disk. With raid0 you will lose it *all* |
| 00:08.18 | sword- | SO i should just stick to LVM for my needs |
| 00:08.22 | cafuego | Avantopia: That depends on what you mean with 'kernel mantra' |
| 00:08.26 | sword- | Anthro yes i will need all the space.. |
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| 00:08.37 | Anthro | sword-: Then just use LVM. |
| 00:08.40 | FieldySnuts | what's the advantage of lvm anyway, or evms? i may use it, in a situation where I have 3 120GB drives and one 80GB drive, have it on raid5 at the moment |
| 00:08.40 | cafuego | sword-: Then yes, just lvm. |
| 00:08.57 | sword- | what kind of performance should i expect |
| 00:08.58 | justdust | how can I install mysql server on debian ?? |
| 00:09.01 | sword- | if i use xfs or something? |
| 00:09.05 | sword- | read/write speeds, etc |
| 00:09.11 | sword- | i have |
| 00:09.16 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Not much, it would be handy if you had a second raid5 array and wanted to merge both. |
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| 00:09.22 | sword- | 2 80 gb 7200 rpm drives sata |
| 00:09.23 | Golf | Hi, got a quick java question: I have a enumeration and need to transform it to an int. How do I do that? |
| 00:09.43 | sword- | and a silicon image chip as my sata controller |
| 00:09.44 | FieldySnuts | Golf: ask a programming channel? |
| 00:09.46 | Avantopia | cafuego| when I say kernel mantra I mean; to build a debian kernel and initrd with the '2.6.8' value as their respective names. |
| 00:09.53 | cafuego | Golf: Integer.parseInt(whatever); |
| 00:09.55 | Anthro | Golf: Clearly, you have mistaken this for a Java help channel. Perhaps #java would be better. |
| 00:10.05 | dark_light | how can i mount a .iso file in a folder? |
| 00:10.17 | FieldySnuts | mount -v -o loop blah.iso /some/mount-point |
| 00:10.17 | Golf | cafuego, thanks mate |
| 00:10.18 | justdust | how can I install mysql server on debian ?? |
| 00:10.21 | eyal | Question all : Is there any way i can link irc servers by clicking it in Packetnews(for example) |
| 00:10.23 | cafuego | Avantopia: make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image |
| 00:10.33 | FieldySnuts | if you don't have loop support as a module or in the kernel, that isn't going to work |
| 00:10.35 | cafuego | Golf: it's been years since I used java, so ymmv. |
| 00:10.36 | AngelGabriel | how can i search a subnet for windows shares? |
| 00:10.40 | jetscreamer | see also make-kpkg --targets |
| 00:10.51 | zbowling | !paste |
| 00:10.52 | dpkg | paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. |
| 00:10.59 | Anthro | AngelGabriel: I think KDE and GNOME have browsers. |
| 00:11.06 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: loop,ro |
| 00:11.20 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: it will be ro anyway, try to write to it |
| 00:11.26 | AngelGabriel | Hmm ... I have afterstep window manager.... |
| 00:11.29 | FieldySnuts | you'll get denied |
| 00:11.31 | sword- | so Anthro with me using lvm will i get a performance boost by using the allocated space from both drives? |
| 00:11.36 | sword- | in terms of read/write speeds? |
| 00:11.38 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Yes, but specifiying it is more complete. |
| 00:11.44 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: okay, works for me |
| 00:11.45 | paster | "zbowling" at 66.118.255.50 pasted "SourceForge goes to Fedora" (59 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/83 |
| 00:11.46 | Anthro | FieldySnuts: I'm pretty sure I've been able to mount an ISO explicitly as rw. |
| 00:11.49 | cafuego | sword-: No. |
| 00:12.01 | FieldySnuts | Anthro: then write to it? bad idea heh |
| 00:12.10 | Anthro | sword-: You will have to play with striping settings to get performance benefits. |
| 00:12.20 | Anthro | FieldySnuts: Why? |
| 00:12.20 | sword- | cafuego what are some ways i can performance gains? |
| 00:12.25 | FieldySnuts | i had about 12 of them at one point, had a bunch of isos of software i wanted to get at |
| 00:12.31 | FieldySnuts | @moron Anthro |
| 00:12.34 | ravenbird | Anthro: You are moron #70 |
| 00:12.34 | cafuego | sword-: Buy a 3Ware raid5 card and a bunh more drives. |
| 00:12.36 | Golf | cafuego, didn't work, but this did :-) return Integer.parseInt(String.valueOf(this.getOutputStreams())); |
| 00:12.43 | sword- | Anthro, then i'd have to use software raid :P |
| 00:12.52 | FieldySnuts | you were talking about using that anyway |
| 00:12.59 | sword- | cafuego, yeah good idea heh |
| 00:13.18 | Golf | cafuego enumaration to sting to int :-) |
| 00:13.24 | cafuego | sword-: it's not ever a good idea to throw data security out the window in favour of performance. |
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| 00:13.27 | Avantopia | cafuego| THX |
| 00:13.34 | eyal | Can i use mIRC links on browser ???? |
| 00:13.36 | Anthro | FieldySnuts: I am aware that ISO9660 is intended to be a read-only filesystem, but there is no reason it can't be read-write, however inefficient. |
| 00:13.38 | FieldySnuts | @ep |
| 00:13.39 | ravenbird | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:13.41 | jetscreamer | ~lart FieldySnuts |
| 00:13.47 | FieldySnuts | ow |
| 00:13.47 | sword- | this is just my workstation computer |
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| 00:13.50 | AngelGabriel | Anthro, do you know the names of any of these browsers? |
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| 00:13.54 | sword- | i agree |
| 00:13.54 | Anthro | sword-: No. Read the man pages. LVM can do striping. |
| 00:13.58 | cafuego | Golf: #java it is, then. |
| 00:13.58 | jbr | AngelGabriel: apt-cache search network browser |
| 00:14.03 | sword- | Anthro k |
| 00:14.10 | zbowling | ~horde |
| 00:14.11 | apt | well, horde is PHP application framework http://www.horde.org/horde/ used for the popular IMP web email |
| 00:14.15 | jetscreamer | AngelGabriel, konqueror, epiphany |
| 00:14.18 | zbowling | !horde |
| 00:14.20 | FieldySnuts | horde is also great at getting you rooted |
| 00:14.25 | simonrvn | and handles LDAP badly |
| 00:14.30 | FieldySnuts | indeed |
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| 00:14.39 | jetscreamer | heh my webhost's default client is horde |
| 00:14.39 | Golf | cafuego Yea, but you have to be registerd to the chanserver for that, and I don't need it for any other channel I'm on... |
| 00:14.42 | Anthro | AngelGabriel: In KDE, I think the control center/panel/whatever has a browser built into it. |
| 00:14.43 | cafuego | and is big and slow |
| 00:14.45 | FieldySnuts | not smart |
| 00:14.50 | FieldySnuts | nor is using anything based on php |
| 00:14.56 | TheTom | when i run apt-get -f install it says it's gonna install package terminal, but later it says: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/Terminal', which is also in package xterminal |
| 00:14.57 | cafuego | Golf: That's yoiurs and #java's issue. |
| 00:15.18 | Anthro | FieldySnuts: Do you know of a webmail package that isn't PHP-based? |
| 00:15.24 | jetscreamer | AngelGabriel, konqueror, epiphany (kde, gnome) |
| 00:15.27 | FieldySnuts | nope, don't care either |
| 00:15.31 | simonrvn | sqwebmail |
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| 00:15.36 | jetscreamer | squirrelmail? |
| 00:15.41 | simonrvn | php |
| 00:15.46 | AngelGabriel | jbr - Thanx! Exactly what I needed |
| 00:15.46 | jetscreamer | tey have that too |
| 00:16.03 | AngelGabriel | jetscreamer, Thanks, I'll look them up |
| 00:16.10 | budluva | ipmasq clears the iptables when it starts right? |
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| 00:16.15 | Golf | cafuego, I know, but a quick question can't hurt and you helped allot :-) GTG, have some c++ work to do. Thanks and see you around |
| 00:16.16 | jetscreamer | that's what gets installed by default |
| 00:16.25 | sunai | I created a custom kernel with make-kpkg kernel_image, after running dpkg -i kernel_foo.deb the appropriate files get copied, lilo is run - but still the old kernel is booted. Any ideas what step I missed? |
| 00:16.28 | FieldySnuts | know what's funny, i warned this one site I like who was running phpBB that they were vuln. admin said they weren't, they got rooted, and he accused me of doing it (no proof of course) |
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| 00:16.38 | FieldySnuts | love when you try to help someone and they shit in your face. |
| 00:17.02 | jetscreamer | sunai, check the paths of the symlinks in /, lookover vmlinuz in lilo.conf, rerun lilo |
| 00:17.34 | sunai | jetscreamer: the paths all point to the new images, lilo has been rerun |
| 00:17.36 | FieldySnuts | grr. this johnny cash tune ruined by the accompanying singer, fiona apple, sounds like a crack whore |
| 00:17.58 | vook | FieldySnuts, which song? |
| 00:18.02 | FieldySnuts | father and son |
| 00:18.11 | FieldySnuts | might be a cover |
| 00:18.15 | TheTom | n/m, solved my problem |
| 00:18.22 | sunai | this also happens when I by-pass make-kpkg and do a 'make install' in my kernel src directory - all files get copied correctly, lilo is run -but still the default installation kernel is booted |
| 00:18.40 | FieldySnuts | i'm not sure if it's supposed to be a certain style but she lags behind his lyrics by about 1/4 second while he is singing |
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| 00:18.46 | FieldySnuts | the effect is very annoying |
| 00:19.02 | vook | covering Johnny Cash is just wrong |
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| 00:19.05 | FieldySnuts | </rant> |
| 00:19.11 | greycat | !start a music war |
| 00:19.11 | dpkg | Fatboy Slim sucks! |
| 00:19.14 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 00:19.30 | FieldySnuts | Paul Oakenfold sucks! |
| 00:19.51 | jetscreamer | oh you need to copy the bzimage or whatever... no idea |
| 00:20.05 | jetscreamer | hmm nm |
| 00:20.09 | jetscreamer | what i said first |
| 00:20.25 | jetscreamer | oakenfold does suck |
| 00:20.34 | jetscreamer | or at least the little i heard |
| 00:20.35 | FieldySnuts | i'm surprised the entire EU didn't lart me over that |
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| 00:20.55 | FieldySnuts | maybe i need to bash Van Dyk too.. |
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| 00:21.36 | FieldySnuts | blah |
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| 00:21.44 | Joris | any recommendations for a small (50 users max) easy to configure non-bloated irc daemon? |
| 00:21.46 | optic | anyone know what date looks like with LC_TIME en_GB ? |
| 00:22.06 | greycat | you could find out. |
| 00:22.12 | simonrvn | optic: do LC_TIME=en_GB date |
| 00:22.16 | Anthro | Joris: Why IRC? Why not Jabber? |
| 00:22.16 | jetscreamer | you can try |
| 00:22.22 | optic | ah yes |
| 00:22.38 | simonrvn | might need to set a charset.. |
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| 00:23.36 | optic | i thought i would have to have generated en_GB in order to run that |
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| 00:24.07 | simonrvn | you probably do. but it's not hard |
| 00:24.54 | Joris | Anthro: everyone has heard of irc and has a client handy - it's only to interconnect a small community |
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| 00:25.12 | Nwallins | can I run sarge on an nforce2 mobo and use dual-monitor out, spdif 6-ch audio, onboard LAN, etc? |
| 00:25.57 | optic | hmm, looks identical to en_US |
| 00:26.11 | simonrvn | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/tobacco.shtml |
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| 00:27.37 | Nwallins | err.. anyone had success on an nforce2 mobo? |
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| 00:28.17 | Nwallins | simonrvn: the lefthand menu writes on top of the main text in FF1.0 |
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| 00:28.32 | simonrvn | optic: actually surprised that it's pretty much the same? |
| 00:28.33 | vook | I think my laptop has an nforce mobo, but it's running SuSE |
| 00:28.47 | simonrvn | Nwallins: FF1 ? |
| 00:28.51 | Nwallins | FireFox |
| 00:29.05 | optic | simonrvn: no |
| 00:29.06 | simonrvn | same browser i sued to set up the css |
| 00:29.12 | simonrvn | used* |
| 00:29.29 | Nwallins | seems dependent on browser window size |
| 00:29.38 | optic | i was thinking of day month year when running the date command and in ls -l output but i see its not related |
| 00:29.56 | simonrvn | Nwallins: ok, i'll take that into consideration. thanks |
| 00:30.00 | Nwallins | np |
| 00:30.22 | optic | 2003-10-28 is so inherently repulsive |
| 00:30.28 | optic | oh wait |
| 00:30.31 | optic | that is right |
| 00:30.33 | simonrvn | iso date |
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| 00:30.41 | simonrvn | (more or less) |
| 00:31.11 | optic | nm |
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| 00:32.23 | TheTom | what does this mean? No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" |
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| 00:33.00 | justdust | how can I set my apt-source to a location on http ? I want to install mysql and I don't have it on the cdrom... |
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| 00:33.33 | simonrvn | TheTom: dunno what's going on, but utmp keeps track of logged-in users and related things. |
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| 00:33.43 | simonrvn | justdust: apt-setup |
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| 00:34.27 | stoned | whoever here earlier said they played nethack for more than most people breathing in this channel, i forgot your name, but I thought you might be interested, http://www.linuxgames.co.za/noegnud/screenshots.php |
| 00:34.53 | directhex | stoned, that would have been greycat |
| 00:35.13 | nvz | if a system had sid on it, but had not upgraded in months.. possibly since before sarge base+standard went frozen.. you think you could just change sources to sarge and essentially dist-upgrade from sid to sarge? heh |
| 00:35.20 | stoned | ahh yes |
| 00:35.25 | stoned | gretycat, http://www.linuxgames.co.za/noegnud/screenshots.php |
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| 00:35.47 | greycat | and yes, I know about dungeon-spelled-backwards |
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| 00:36.03 | nvz | I would think sarge now is newer that a 4month or more old sid |
| 00:36.04 | stoned | i didnt know if you knew |
| 00:36.20 | stoned | i think its pretty cool, after burning myself out on console nethack, i think i could use a little eye candy |
| 00:36.37 | nvz | just wondering if in a situation like that if you could actually make a clean jump ro sarge |
| 00:36.47 | Drizzt321 | anyone know if libwxgtk2.5 has been backported by anyone to testing? I checked backports.org, and it doesn't seem so :( |
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| 00:37.53 | RememberPOL | Hello, I'm trying to install Debian on an HP Pavilion 8533Z computer w/ a HP 10/100 BaseT LAN Adapter NIC.... I tried loading net modules "hp", "hp100", and "hpplus" with no luck.... Do I need specific IRQ info or a different module? (I feel like hp100 should work some how but maybe not on auto-detect? ) |
| 00:38.14 | jetscreamer | RememberPOL, http://scyld.com/network.html |
| 00:38.19 | FieldySnuts | @fuck HP |
| 00:38.20 | RememberPOL | Thx |
| 00:38.32 | greycat | !fuck ravenbird |
| 00:38.41 | Spt | im trying to install gkleds for gkrellm and when I run ./configure I get the error Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the exact error that occured. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed. configure: error: Unable to find gtk-config. Please check you PATH variable and make sure that gtk development files are installed. I know gtk2 is instal |
| 00:38.41 | Spt | led but I still get this error. |
| 00:38.45 | RememberPOL | lol FieldySnuts yeah HP sucks but my sister gave me her old computer so I'm setting up a network so my parents can use it :) |
| 00:38.48 | kreg_ | anyone ever configured /dev/ttyS0 or S1 ? i can see text in minicom from my ciscos but i can't send any text from the keyboard. |
| 00:38.50 | FieldySnuts | @moron dpkg |
| 00:38.51 | ravenbird | dpkg: You are moron #50 |
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| 00:39.12 | FieldySnuts | brb |
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| 00:40.01 | budluva | how do i stop services like, discard, time, daytime |
| 00:40.11 | budluva | they all have open ports and i dont want them to run |
| 00:40.11 | simonrvn | @faq |
| 00:40.12 | ravenbird | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 00:40.22 | simonrvn | oh crap |
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| 00:40.25 | simonrvn | !faq |
| 00:40.26 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 00:40.26 | ttaranto | budluva, look for inetd |
| 00:40.35 | Anthro | I'm trying to get fetchmail and logrotate to play nice together. Anyone know whether it is necessary to tell fetchmail to close and reopen its log file? Do I need to use copytruncate? |
| 00:40.35 | budluva | stop inetd? |
| 00:40.53 | simonrvn | @faq =~ s#debian-faq#debian-faq-wiki# |
| 00:40.53 | ravenbird | simonrvn: OK |
| 00:41.07 | K-Rich | i have 2 versions of a module, what makes insmod <file> load one over the other ? |
| 00:41.13 | budluva | ttaranto, stop inetd? |
| 00:41.29 | jrr | K-Rich: path? |
| 00:41.51 | FieldySnuts | badger.ko ? |
| 00:42.03 | jetscreamer | i don't really think you should stop inet.d |
| 00:42.14 | ttaranto | budluva, yep.. but also look de documentation too |
| 00:42.17 | simonrvn | Anthro: it isn't graceful about its log files |
| 00:42.50 | K-Rich | jrr: naw... tried that :/ |
| 00:42.52 | budluva | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 00:42.53 | budluva | ??? |
| 00:43.05 | K-Rich | looked even for some obscure alias |
| 00:43.15 | Anthro | simonrvn: so... copytruncate? |
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| 00:43.41 | simonrvn | Anthro: lemme remind myself what that means |
| 00:43.57 | budluva | 139/tcp open netbios-ssn |
| 00:43.57 | budluva | 445/tcp open microsoft-ds |
| 00:44.02 | budluva | do these ports need to be open? |
| 00:44.39 | simonrvn | Anthro: yeh, makes sense |
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| 00:45.50 | sx1 | Hi! Can you please help me? whats the Javascript-Command wher it gives you a window and you can click OK or abort? |
| 00:46.01 | Avantopia | I just did a kernel build of kernel 2.6.8 with the kernel mantra 'make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg 2.6.8' and I do not see my new kernel in the /boot dir ... what is wrong? |
| 00:46.35 | nvz | budluva: unfortunatly, your chances of getting an aswer other than go read the faq, or securing debian how-to, are slim.. so you might as well read them before asking questions |
| 00:46.43 | Phated | You do need to install it, Avantopia. |
| 00:46.52 | xam | Avantopia: you just build the package, but you didn't install it |
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| 00:47.03 | Avantopia | what is the install command? |
| 00:47.09 | Phated | dpkg -i |
| 00:47.09 | dpkg | Phated: i haven't a clue |
| 00:47.12 | budluva | ok, were can i find the securing debian how-to? |
| 00:47.14 | Phated | I know, dpkg. |
| 00:47.35 | budluva | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/???? |
| 00:47.45 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) |
| 00:47.46 | nvz | budluva: its on www.debian.org, yeah that would be it |
| 00:47.54 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 00:47.56 | jetscreamer | Avantopia, it's in ../ |
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| 00:48.15 | jetscreamer | the .deb |
| 00:48.21 | Avantopia | jetscreamer| isn't there an automated install? |
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| 00:48.38 | jetscreamer | just cd .. and dpkg -i blah.deb |
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| 00:48.51 | simonrvn | or just dpkg -i ../ ... |
| 00:49.12 | jetscreamer | yeah but that's too advanced simonrvn :) |
| 00:49.22 | RememberPOL | How can I go about finding a port/irq/io_port for a NIC card? |
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| 00:49.30 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: oh no! |
| 00:49.37 | RememberPOL | to specify for the nic module |
| 00:49.48 | cafuego | RememberPOL: apt-get install isapnp; pnpdump > isapnp.conf; edit isapnp.conf |
| 00:49.51 | drac | weird, after booting kernel my keyboard works just fine. locales or console-data needs boot? |
| 00:50.16 | Avantopia | yes |
| 00:50.20 | Phated | Kernel. |
| 00:50.35 | nvz | dont you all hate when your papers stick together? |
| 00:50.36 | jetscreamer | where's nyle |
| 00:50.36 | Phated | You usually need to boot that, don't you, if you were compiling a new one. |
| 00:50.47 | Avantopia | okay... I don't see the new kernel built. |
| 00:50.54 | Avantopia | I am in /usr/src |
| 00:50.57 | RememberPOL | cafuego: but i can't do all that since I don't have access to internet ? |
| 00:50.57 | simonrvn | nvz: yes |
| 00:51.09 | jetscreamer | Avantopia, something called kernel-image-blah.deb ? |
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| 00:51.10 | simonrvn | nvz: keep 'em dry |
| 00:51.14 | nvz | heh |
| 00:51.15 | Avantopia | I have built a kernel with make-kpkg only once before. |
| 00:51.17 | RememberPOL | cafuego: or can I? |
| 00:51.19 | nvz | no doubt |
| 00:51.35 | simonrvn | sensitive to humidity even |
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| 00:51.44 | jetscreamer | Avantopia, is there *.deb in /usr/src? |
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| 00:51.53 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 00:52.18 | RememberPOL | cafuego: :( i don't have the base system installed i'm trying to do a network install.. :x |
| 00:52.19 | Avantopia | jetscreamer| yes... but it has a modified date of 2004-12-09 |
| 00:52.33 | jetscreamer | Avantopia, what is your current kernel, does it use initrd, and if it does did you either pass the --initrd directive to make-kpkg or edit your bootloader? |
| 00:52.53 | jetscreamer | Avantopia, wouldn't that be in the future? |
| 00:52.59 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
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| 00:53.08 | jetscreamer | september 12 |
| 00:53.20 | Avantopia | jetscreamer| I am using the 2.6.8 kernel that I last compiled and the initrd to go with it |
| 00:53.33 | Avantopia | I edited grub.conf |
| 00:53.37 | nvz | the miricle being that it even sticks when you roll it |
| 00:53.44 | jetscreamer | Avantopia, then your make-kpkg command to compile may not have worked |
| 00:53.47 | Avantopia | I know how to do all this normally... its just I was away for too long. |
| 00:53.48 | simonrvn | miracle |
| 00:53.58 | nvz | yeah |
| 00:54.22 | tchmnkyz | anyone know of a irc channel where backports are discussed? |
| 00:54.24 | Avantopia | jetscreamer| it seemed to have... let me try once again ... 'make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --initrd 2.6.8 |
| 00:54.26 | Avantopia | ' |
| 00:54.33 | Aretx | i haven't been able to find any mono packages for testing, and the ones for SID aren't available (as in, not on the webserver) |
| 00:54.35 | Anthro | do I have to do anything to tell logrotate about a new or changed file in /etc/logrotate.d? |
| 00:54.45 | jetscreamer | Avantopia, i dunno about the 2.6.8 part |
| 00:54.45 | Avantopia | jetscreamer| I appreciate your help |
| 00:54.52 | nvz | I spelled it miracle both times and corrected it half way through for some reason.. kept thinking I left the i out |
| 00:54.54 | Avantopia | jetscreamer| oh yeah? |
| 00:54.58 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 00:55.00 | simonrvn | Anthro: no. it doesn't run continually, it runs from cron.daily |
| 00:55.03 | Avantopia | jetscreamer| just leave it blank? |
| 00:55.14 | nvz | feels like I've been hung over since I work up this morning |
| 00:55.21 | jetscreamer | well you need --revision= or something |
| 00:55.30 | jetscreamer | depends on what you want to do |
| 00:55.31 | Aretx | any idea as to another mirror? I've checked google |
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| 00:55.37 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 00:55.38 | nvz | the hot beef sandwitch didnt help.. so trying something else |
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| 00:55.49 | Avantopia | I was just trying to get the kernel name to be '2.6.8' |
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| 00:55.57 | jetscreamer | Avantopia, make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image (or kernel_image i forget) |
| 00:56.17 | jetscreamer | man make-kpkg |
| 00:56.20 | simonrvn | nvz: hot coffee, drunk really quickly |
| 00:56.21 | Avantopia | what is the 'kernel-image' in this example? |
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| 00:56.28 | jetscreamer | makes a kernel image |
| 00:56.33 | jeg_ | does anyone know why I can't run midnight commander in console mode? it just hangs after I press enter at my bash prompt... works fine in x, though... |
| 00:56.39 | jetscreamer | Avantopia, do make-kpkg --targets |
| 00:56.43 | Avantopia | jetscreamer| k |
| 00:56.50 | jetscreamer | it will give you a heirarchial list |
| 00:56.57 | jetscreamer | (sp) |
| 00:57.33 | ashtareth | h*ie*rarchical |
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| 00:57.45 | nvz | simonrvn: not stand on the ceiling and take a hit from a gravity bong? |
| 00:57.57 | Avantopia | jetscreamer| I am doing this because I did a dist-upgrade and files have changed rendering VMWARE unusable now. I really need to fix this issue. |
| 00:58.06 | nvz | damn.. I was going about it the wrong way |
| 00:58.16 | simonrvn | nvz: expands the blood vessels, which is often what a headache is. sometimes it's muscle pain, right under your skull, that muscle that attaches the skull and the spine is often a cause too. sometimes just migraine-like ones |
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| 00:58.25 | simonrvn | nvz: o, that doesn't help ;) |
| 00:58.29 | simonrvn | no even |
| 00:58.43 | Avantopia | jetscreamer| a module vmmon.o was missing and I tried to rebuild it and got a complaint about my kernel. |
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| 00:58.57 | nvz | simonrvn: well I noticed earlier about an hour or so ago, that I have some tense pain around my neck and sholders.. I think its related |
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| 00:59.34 | jetscreamer | Avantopia, did you make-kpkg clean? |
| 00:59.55 | Avantopia | yes |
| 00:59.56 | nvz | simonrvn: I am not really hung over.. I probably had some water and cola before I went to bed.. certainly wasnt drinking or anything |
| 00:59.58 | Avantopia | now... |
| 01:00.11 | Avantopia | I haven't tried to reinstall vmware yet though. |
| 01:00.14 | jetscreamer | ok but i know absolutely nothing about vmware |
| 01:00.17 | helix | nvz: get a massage |
| 01:00.30 | nvz | helix: I think its part of the cold or flu I've had |
| 01:00.30 | jetscreamer | !massage nvz |
| 01:00.42 | jetscreamer | darn |
| 01:00.43 | RichiH | nvz: cola dehidrates |
| 01:00.46 | helix | yeah, I have a cold too |
| 01:00.48 | jetscreamer | hy |
| 01:00.50 | Phated | Massages rule. |
| 01:00.55 | helix | :( |
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| 01:00.58 | wannabe_bot | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 01:00.59 | Phated | Tsk. |
| 01:01.02 | gravity | It's Everywhere!!!! |
| 01:01.05 | jetscreamer | &botsnack |
| 01:01.05 | wannabe_bot | :) |
| 01:01.06 | nvz | Phated: helix and I could use one.. since you are so enthusiastic |
| 01:01.06 | helix | who is this bot? |
| 01:01.09 | Phated | helix: You've been spreading it around! :) |
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| 01:01.17 | greycat | wannabe_bot: status |
| 01:01.17 | wannabe_bot | Since Sun Dec 5 20:12:46 2004, there have been 0 modifications and 0 questions and 0 dunnos and 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 2m 4s this session, and currently reference 3 factoids. I'm using about 15364 kB of memory. |
| 01:01.18 | Phated | nvz: Sorry, getting massages rule. |
| 01:01.24 | jetscreamer | mine |
| 01:01.24 | greycat | who's running that one? |
| 01:01.26 | helix | wannabe_bot: owner |
| 01:01.26 | wannabe_bot | Wish i knew, helix |
| 01:01.30 | jetscreamer | mine |
| 01:01.38 | helix | jetscreamer: you didn't ask |
| 01:01.44 | Avantopia | jetscreamer| I will run: make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --initrd 2.6.8 |
| 01:01.47 | Phated | 3 factoids? Heck, even malgor has more. |
| 01:01.50 | greycat | jetscreamer: please disable the ROOT thing and any ~!@ triggers |
| 01:01.59 | helix | why is it even in here? |
| 01:02.02 | helix | we have four bots already |