| 00:00.15 | KeZZeR | aww completely stuck now lol |
| 00:00.22 | KeZZeR | all i want is it to display in 1280x1024 |
| 00:00.52 | helloyo | KeZZer, and what happens when you do? |
| 00:01.01 | mbirkis | KeZZeR: have you read the x logs? |
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| 00:01.22 | KeZZeR | where are the x logs? |
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| 00:01.38 | bob2 | cafuego: hah |
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| 00:02.03 | bob2 | cafuego: even taking the telstra favtor into account, 2 days for someone to go and see if they actually hooked it up or not seems a tad excessive |
| 00:02.18 | meez | Is there a package to create .xll for Excel? |
| 00:02.52 | mbirkis | KeZZeR: /var/log/ ?? |
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| 00:03.07 | vmx | bob2: the best would be to send a mail to the mantainer, what do you think? |
| 00:03.17 | bob2 | vmx: that sounds like a good idea |
| 00:03.26 | bob2 | vmx: I was about to suggest it and then got distracted :) |
| 00:04.25 | oKtosiTe | I'm looking for an easily configured ircd, which one should I pick |
| 00:04.30 | vmx | bob2: ok :) then i'll to that (i'm kind of newbie in reporting package problems ;) |
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| 00:06.02 | KeZZeR | cheers mbirkis, going to try something different now |
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| 00:08.51 | mo1991 | does anyone know of a good graphical sound recorder with alsa support? |
| 00:08.57 | mo1991 | alsa native recording? |
| 00:10.07 | rdancer | trying grub's netboot. the nics' leds blink, but tcpdump shows nothing. strange |
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| 00:11.33 | elephant | What is the current way to make a computer unable to locate on the web ? |
| 00:11.44 | elephant | current = basic |
| 00:11.45 | sussudio | !tell mo1991 about search |
| 00:11.47 | sussudio | !info audacity |
| 00:11.50 | dpkg | audacity: (A fast, cross-platform audio editor), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1479 kB, Installed size: 4280 kB |
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| 00:11.57 | rdancer | elephant: w h a t ?? |
| 00:12.03 | elephant | unable to locate = unable to be located |
| 00:12.14 | sussudio | elephant: scissors to the cat5. |
| 00:12.22 | rdancer | elephant: unplug the wall cable.. |
| 00:12.28 | elephant | :\ yes ok |
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| 00:12.43 | sussudio | elephant: [YOU ARE BROADCASTING AN INTERNET ADDRESS] |
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| 00:13.09 | rdancer | elephant: tcp illustrated (the book. paper. you know) might help you to start understanding... |
| 00:14.05 | elephant | rdancer: cool - thanks a lot |
| 00:14.11 | oKtosiTe | elephant, are you that spammer that broke my mail-server? ;-D |
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| 00:15.35 | macdump | Anyone out here know how to get cd burning up and going other than using the ide-scsi module? having a terrible time here! |
| 00:15.44 | guestish | macdump: install 2.6.x |
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| 00:16.10 | elephant | oKtosiTe: no but where i am, governement authorized ISP's to cut the line for P2P critical users |
| 00:16.26 | guestish | macdump: do not PM me please |
| 00:16.32 | oKtosiTe | guestish, I was assuming I still needed ide-scsi with 2.6 aswell, how does burning go in 2.6 then? |
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| 00:16.45 | sussudio | guestish: that'll teach you to reply to people. |
| 00:16.46 | guestish | oKtosiTe: you just burn |
| 00:16.50 | guestish | sussudio: heh... |
| 00:16.50 | oKtosiTe | root is in the house |
| 00:17.14 | elephant | sussudio: yes i am broadcasting an IP but not only that - there is also the name of point of access where i am plugged |
| 00:17.19 | oKtosiTe | guestish, really? time to change my /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:17.23 | guestish | oKtosiTe: yup... |
| 00:17.36 | guestish | macdump: if you have something to say, say it here |
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| 00:18.22 | zite | what ftp server would people recommend? |
| 00:18.30 | guestish | zite: depends on what it is |
| 00:18.43 | zite | just a home fileserver |
| 00:18.44 | guestish | zite: and where you are |
| 00:18.49 | guestish | ohhh, ok |
| 00:18.54 | guestish | i see, as in the application |
| 00:18.55 | oKtosiTe | zite: ftpd works for that |
| 00:18.55 | nvz | zite: why not use NFS or Samba instead? |
| 00:19.14 | oKtosiTe | nvz, he asked for ftp |
| 00:19.30 | guestish | zite: i would recomend scp and ssh instead, but i suppose it depends on what you are gonna use it for |
| 00:19.38 | nvz | oKtosiTe: yeah but hes obnviously uneducated ftp wasnt designed to run a filesever in the sence NFS / Samba does |
| 00:19.42 | guestish | zite: if its intranet NFS and Samba is the best |
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| 00:20.20 | oKtosiTe | nvz, I still don't understand how NFS works, and I've used Linux for three years |
| 00:20.26 | zite | internet, I'm letting people upload to the ftp and then I have aoache pointed to their folders (they are users on the machineas well) |
| 00:20.34 | nvz | FTP is more for one way transfers like uploading to a webserver, for common file sharing server NFS / Samba is ideal |
| 00:20.37 | oKtosiTe | nvz, I've never bothered though |
| 00:20.38 | zite | apache rather |
| 00:21.03 | oKtosiTe | nvz, know a starting point for nfs? |
| 00:21.13 | nvz | oKtosiTe: thats sad. install either the nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server, setup the exports, and the hosts files and you are done |
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| 00:21.30 | zite | I actually have pure-ftpd installed but I can't figure out how to let people upload, it recognizes that they are users, just doesn't let them do anything :P |
| 00:21.39 | nvz | oKtosiTe: you are thinking too hard about it or something ;) |
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| 00:22.07 | nvz | oKtosiTe: I hear better reports about the kernel server, but it of course requires kernel support |
| 00:22.19 | nvz | oKtosiTe: where as anyone can drop in a user server |
| 00:22.20 | oKtosiTe | nvz, I guess, what's the difference between the two? |
| 00:22.31 | oKtosiTe | d'oh |
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| 00:22.38 | WiFiTux | zite, isn't that Perm related? like write perm? |
| 00:22.39 | nvz | oKtosiTe: one runs the server in user space and one runs in kernel space I would assume |
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| 00:22.59 | zite | WiFiTux: I don't know what perm is |
| 00:23.03 | zite | ohoh |
| 00:23.05 | zite | permissions |
| 00:23.07 | oKtosiTe | user space? as in, starts at logon? |
| 00:23.09 | WiFiTux | :/ |
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| 00:23.28 | nvz | oKtosiTe: they also use different files for the exports I think.. I think one uses /etc/export, and the other uses /etc/exports, but I could be wrong on that one |
| 00:23.41 | zite | the users have permissions to create files and things when they are logged in via ssh though |
| 00:23.44 | nvz | oKtosiTe: they both are started the same way, like any other service by inetd or daemons |
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| 00:24.09 | nvz | oKtosiTe: just one has the server compiled directly into the kernel, and the other is userspace, which means outside kernelspace |
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| 00:24.25 | WiFiTux | Is there a way to make a Server that will handle other clients? Like a Windows Domain Controller? Where you have permissions over the cients, users, all passwords are Sync and so on...? |
| 00:24.44 | oKtosiTe | nvz, I think I have nfs installed already, gives a "No exports" message at boot-time |
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| 00:24.53 | nvz | oKtosiTe: probably. |
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| 00:25.34 | nvz | oKtosiTe: man exports, you just add share definitions in /etc/exports, and make sure your hosts.deny & hosts.allow files grant the client access to portmapper, mountd, and nfs |
| 00:25.39 | rdancer | WiFiTux: sounds like a kerberos. what does wdc do? |
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| 00:25.54 | nvz | oKtosiTe: the client has to see all 3 of those when he does rpcinfo -p host on the server in order to mount the share |
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| 00:26.18 | nvz | oKtosiTe: and you can read mount and fstab manpages for info on the client side |
| 00:26.19 | oKtosiTe | /etc/exp* doesn't exist |
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| 00:26.55 | nvz | oKtosiTe: samba is to windows what nfs is to linus in a way, its well integrated into the system, so its practically nativly supported in most cases |
| 00:27.14 | nvz | oKtosiTe: install either the nfs-user-server, or the nfs-kernel-server package |
| 00:27.24 | guestish | i thought nvz was made by sun? |
| 00:27.25 | nvz | oKtosiTe: if you say you have kernel support, you want the kernel server |
| 00:27.25 | oKtosiTe | nvz, I'm not getting any further... |
| 00:27.29 | guestish | i mean nfs |
| 00:27.40 | oKtosiTe | nvz, using 2.6.7-1 |
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| 00:28.08 | nvz | guestish: I dont know who made it, just saying its pretty much nativly supported by linux |
| 00:28.16 | oKtosiTe | nvz, so what's the "no exports" message about then |
| 00:28.21 | guestish | nvz: i suppose |
| 00:28.44 | nvz | oKtosiTe: no idea. check and see the status on your NFS Kernel server in the /boot/config-2.6.7-1 or whatever |
| 00:28.45 | Plagerism | Okay what is the easiest way to fix lilo. Somehow it got messed up(I could have had something to do with it), and now it goes into kernel panic |
| 00:29.06 | Plagerism | I fixed the configuration file, however now I have no way of executing lilo, and installing it to my drive |
| 00:29.07 | nvz | oKtosiTe: see if its a module, compiled in, or not built.. then check and see if its loaded with lsmod |
| 00:29.12 | guestish | Plagerism: the easiest? reformat |
| 00:29.14 | WiFiTux | rdancer, well, the computers will know who's the main server, backup, server, Mail Server, From the Server you can lock and unlock systems, pretty much if the system is joined to the "network" then root can have access in the PC, and so on. For instance if you change your network password, then you can go to another PC and login with your pass. Like a Office... Same as Active Directory! |
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| 00:29.31 | Plagerism | guestish, okay let me rephrase easiest withougt reformatting |
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| 00:29.35 | guestish | :) |
| 00:29.36 | rdancer | Plagerism: boot the rescue floppy you have, copy back the backup /etc/lilo.conf you have, run lilo |
| 00:29.43 | oKtosiTe | nvz, what should the package name be? I'm using the debian stock kernel |
| 00:29.47 | WiFiTux | The equivalen of Active Directory for Linux... |
| 00:29.51 | nvz | oKtosiTe: do you have a nfs server package installed? |
| 00:29.58 | guestish | WiFiTux: whats that? |
| 00:29.59 | rdancer | Plagerism: or boot a grub floppy |
| 00:30.02 | Plagerism | rdancer, ummmmmmm I tried that with a few different debian rescue disks |
| 00:30.06 | nvz | oKtosiTe: you are getting confused |
| 00:30.08 | rdancer | Plagerism: and? |
| 00:30.13 | Plagerism | And it didnt work |
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| 00:30.18 | oKtosiTe | nvz, no |
| 00:30.21 | Plagerism | Where can I download a rescue disk |
| 00:30.28 | Plagerism | Can I do it from within Knoppix?? |
| 00:30.34 | WiFiTux | guestish, are you kidding me? |
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| 00:30.46 | oKtosiTe | nvz, s/package name/module name/ |
| 00:30.53 | WiFiTux | rdancer, any idea? same as Active Directory? |
| 00:30.58 | nvz | oKtosiTe: if you are using a debian kernel then you probably have NFS kernel server support in your kernel, you will need to load the module, and install nfs-kernel-server package |
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| 00:31.04 | guestish | WiFiTux: no, i have no clue what the equivalent of active directory for linux is |
| 00:31.15 | rdancer | WiFiTux: you're funny. i've no idea what AD is or does. |
| 00:31.21 | nvz | oKtosiTe: if you have module-init-tools and modconf isntalled you can just locate them in modconf |
| 00:31.21 | WiFiTux | guestish, you do know what is active directory? |
| 00:31.21 | oKtosiTe | nvz, ok, firing up modconf now |
| 00:31.22 | Lusid | LDAP? |
| 00:31.27 | guestish | WiFiTux: a vauge idea |
| 00:31.34 | WiFiTux | rdancer, ok, no problem... |
| 00:31.49 | nvz | oKtosiTe: there are probably two versions of the kernel server in the kernel a v3 and a v4 |
| 00:31.50 | rdancer | WiFiTux: looks like a kerberos + nis + dhcp maybe |
| 00:31.53 | i2 | I am having trouble with libgcc1 not being the right version for Sid. Is this a common thing where I just need to wait? I have been waiting 3 weeks... |
| 00:32.02 | guestish | WiFiTux: well, let me rephrase that, no |
| 00:32.06 | WiFiTux | guestish, well you Join a computer to a Domain controller and that system can handle information of the computers.. |
| 00:32.18 | WiFiTux | rdancer, NIS? hhmm |
| 00:32.20 | oKtosiTe | nvz, I'm trying to show that I know at least something, but each time you already give me the instructions, you're good |
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| 00:32.28 | WiFiTux | !nis |
| 00:32.28 | dpkg | from memory, nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also NFS.. Network Information Service |
| 00:32.40 | rdancer | WiFiTux: + webmin. but sounds like a compromised security model, too, so don't expect it will work *exactly* like you might be used to |
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| 00:32.57 | nvz | oKtosiTe: I have a knack for tech support, I think ahead and only ask things that generate more than one piece of info I am looking for |
| 00:32.58 | Nexus | To install apache2, it should be as simple as apt-get install apache2? |
| 00:33.06 | guestish | WiFiTux: you lost me |
| 00:33.08 | abrotman | i2: more description? |
| 00:33.10 | WiFiTux | rdancer, ok, cool |
| 00:33.18 | rdancer | WiFiTux: if you want full integration, download Plan 9 |
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| 00:33.47 | karhuton | What's the difference between /dev/hdc1 and /dev/hdc2 when used with mkfs.ext2? Not much, but I noticed, that when I ran program 'df,' the value '107628484' moved from column 'Used' to 'Available.' |
| 00:33.57 | nvz | oKtosiTe: from what I am reading in my apt-cache is that the userserver is slower since it doesnt run within the kernel itself, but is apperently more extensible and easier to debug for the same reason |
| 00:33.57 | WiFiTux | guestish, ok. 1 Server, 100 COmputers? Do in Windows do you manage them? Well the server has trusted access over the other 100 cklients and the admin can install, upgreade software and make policies over it... |
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| 00:34.07 | WiFiTux | rdancer, Plan 9? ok |
| 00:34.09 | guestish | WiFiTux: cool |
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| 00:34.24 | oKtosiTe | nvz, I read the same in synaptic |
| 00:34.29 | rdancer | karhuton: hehe |
| 00:34.32 | egaMad | uhm, where is /proc/pci located on debian? |
| 00:34.32 | zite | when I tried apt-get install apache2 it didn't work |
| 00:34.32 | WiFiTux | guestish, yes it is... Now, I'm looking for the Linux version :) |
| 00:34.36 | zite | it had some error |
| 00:34.50 | zite | I ended up removing it and saying apt-get install apache |
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| 00:34.58 | oKtosiTe | nvz, I enabled the "nfs" module |
| 00:35.01 | zite | and that installed apache2 |
| 00:35.02 | i2 | well.. I have alot of packages that depend on a newer version of libgcc1 and I never get an option to upgrade it.. I am currently using fvwm and can't get anything else. |
| 00:35.03 | i2 | and I can't remove it of course. |
| 00:35.13 | guestish | WiFiTux: meh, im no network admin, i dont need to know stuff like that |
| 00:35.13 | nvz | oKtosiTe: na, nfs is the filesystem driver, thats what the client needs to mount the shares |
| 00:35.23 | Nexus | zite, Ok. I'll have to try that. |
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| 00:35.42 | guestish | WiFiTux: if i ever needed to know that i'd take a linux class |
| 00:35.47 | nvz | oKtosiTe: you need the nfs server module I am not certain what its called, but I know there are usually two versions, and I always use the older one |
| 00:35.57 | abrotman | i2: did you try apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 00:35.59 | WiFiTux | guestish, well, you won't get hurt if you leanr. |
| 00:36.00 | karhuton | What firewall (iptables) configuration program you recon? Console (and perhaps GTK2) front-end would be nice. |
| 00:36.12 | guestish | WiFiTux: ? |
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| 00:36.13 | WiFiTux | guestish, hell no |
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| 00:36.16 | oKtosiTe | nvz, crapd |
| 00:36.17 | guestish | WiFiTux: hurt? |
| 00:36.28 | rdancer | !hurt WiFiTux |
| 00:36.35 | exodus | offhand, anyone know the package that actually provides cc1plus? g++ thus far I'm striking out on... |
| 00:36.39 | WiFiTux | !rape rdancer |
| 00:36.40 | rdancer | dpkg: well done! |
| 00:36.40 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, rdancer |
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| 00:36.45 | guestish | WiFiTux: you lost m |
| 00:36.46 | guestish | me |
| 00:36.56 | WiFiTux | guestish, np |
| 00:37.04 | guestish | WiFiTux: ever think about making sense? |
| 00:37.08 | guestish | wikiits all the new rage |
| 00:37.11 | nvz | oKtosiTe: with the userserver you dont need any modules loaded on the server side, but if you can find in enable the kernel module and use the kernel server, you probably stand to have better performance |
| 00:37.13 | guestish | its* |
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| 00:37.46 | WiFiTux | guestish, I said, It won't harm to learn about it! |
| 00:37.48 | rdancer | !kill dpkg |
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| 00:37.55 | deadcat | man i missed a shot at a g3900mhz+shits for $600. )= |
| 00:38.04 | guestish | WiFiTux: thats hurt, not harm |
| 00:38.05 | zite | :o |
| 00:38.13 | guestish | WiFiTux: http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/view/1994 |
| 00:38.15 | guestish | WiFiTux: =D |
| 00:38.26 | WiFiTux | deadcat, 3.9GHZ? what brand? |
| 00:38.26 | guestish | !congratulate me |
| 00:38.27 | rdancer | WiFiTux: what about stopping that widows propaganda, and starting something useful? |
| 00:38.28 | dpkg | huzzah guestish, you did it! |
| 00:38.39 | karhuton | What firewall (iptables) configuration program you recon? |
| 00:38.42 | WiFiTux | rdancer, well, I'm on it. |
| 00:38.44 | deadcat | WiFiTux: no. 900mhz g3 |
| 00:39.04 | WiFiTux | deadcat, oh... $600 isn't it expensive? |
| 00:39.16 | deadcat | WiFiTux: hope the guy thats infront of me gets hit by a car or something so i can get it. |
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| 00:39.37 | oKtosiTe | nvz, actually I am assuming the NFS server is already running as we speak |
| 00:39.38 | guestish | WiFiTux: looks like you want OpenLDAP |
| 00:39.39 | nvz | as far as my support skills are concerned, I need to get up to speed with the latest technologies, and get some certifications. I love to help out, but it seems working for free and getting paid, isnt easy. |
| 00:39.39 | deadcat | WiFiTux: ibook 14" airport + base cdrw/dvd 40gig |
| 00:39.41 | WiFiTux | deadcat, pay someone to kill him.., :/ |
| 00:39.49 | nvz | oKtosiTe: then run lsmod and see |
| 00:39.50 | deadcat | WiFiTux: then aint worth it no more. heheh |
| 00:39.57 | guestish | WiFiTux: but considering i still dont know what active directory is in a more concrete sense i cant say for sure |
| 00:40.00 | WiFiTux | deadcat, hehe |
| 00:40.09 | Lusid | guestish: I would agree. OpenLDAP. |
| 00:40.23 | deadcat | WiFiTux: but getting a 800mhz without all the goodies for $550. damn. |
| 00:40.25 | i2 | abrotman: yeah.. It says nothing to upgrade. even after update. |
| 00:40.47 | abrotman | i2: so nothing is held back? |
| 00:41.00 | WiFiTux | deadcat, well everything is a good deal |
| 00:41.03 | guestish | Lusid: so what is ldap? |
| 00:41.11 | WiFiTux | guestish, hhm cool, thanks.. |
| 00:41.12 | guestish | can i get a real answer? :) |
| 00:41.24 | rdancer | !kill that guy in front of deadcat |
| 00:41.26 | abrotman | 1+1=2 |
| 00:41.28 | Nexus | Well, apt-get install apache installs apache 1.3.... |
| 00:41.31 | abrotman | guestish: good enough? |
| 00:41.33 | Nexus | How can I install apache2? |
| 00:41.34 | deadcat | rdancer: hehe. |
| 00:41.35 | rdancer | guestish: done;) |
| 00:41.46 | abrotman | Nexus: which versino of debian? |
| 00:41.52 | nvz | Nexus: apt-get install apache2 |
| 00:41.57 | nvz | Nexus: in sarge or sid |
| 00:42.00 | Nexus | nvz, that doesn't work. |
| 00:42.02 | guestish | ;) |
| 00:42.04 | Nexus | It's sarge I think |
| 00:42.04 | abrotman | Nexus: which versino of debian? |
| 00:42.05 | Lusid | guestish: To be honest, I am not quite sure. I've tried using it several times for what I think it should be used for, but it becomes a bigger pain than its worth. |
| 00:42.09 | nvz | Nexus: then you are using woody or older |
| 00:42.13 | abrotman | Nexus: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:42.16 | deadcat | i want to strip the goodies from one ibook and sell the left overs for a high price. )= but now that fucker gonna buy it for sure. |
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| 00:42.19 | nvz | Nexus: or dpkg -l libc6 |
| 00:42.23 | Nexus | abrotman, 3.1 |
| 00:42.25 | Lusid | guestish: It's just an organization system. |
| 00:42.33 | i2 | abrotman: I will double check for = sign with dselect |
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| 00:42.41 | abrotman | Nexus: apt-get update;apt-get install apache2 |
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| 00:42.43 | abrotman | what does it say? |
| 00:42.50 | WiFiTux | guestish, It seams LDAP is the answer, or best similar option... |
| 00:42.52 | abrotman | i2: i meant with apt-get .. but do as you wish |
| 00:42.53 | guestish | Lusid: so its a centralized method of controlling passwords and other sensitive information? |
| 00:43.05 | Lusid | guestish: Yeah. |
| 00:43.06 | guestish | WiFiTux: see, i found it and didnt even know wtf it was |
| 00:43.14 | Lusid | :) |
| 00:43.31 | sachin | is there a command in Debian, where i can get a configuration menu to configure everything, in one menu, like sound video printer, servers |
| 00:43.41 | WiFiTux | guestish, well, I was just asking, It's late already like to start googling |
| 00:43.47 | Lusid | I don't think LDAP will do everything you are wanting it to do like AD, but you can make it do quite a lot if you have the patience to mess with it forever and a day. |
| 00:43.55 | Nexus | abrotman, nvz: Errors were encountered while processing apache2-mpm-worker, apache2 |
| 00:44.04 | guestish | WiFiTux: looks like the best thing to do is use samba with a LDAP backend |
| 00:44.14 | abrotman | Nexus: why? |
| 00:44.19 | useruser | sachin: i think not |
| 00:44.20 | WiFiTux | sachin, not really everything |
| 00:44.21 | oKtosiTe | nvz, I was saying this based on the facts that 1. I get the "No exports" message at boottime, 2. the nfs-kernel-server package installed flawlessly and 3. I now have an /etc/exports file, am I wrong? |
| 00:44.23 | WiFiTux | guestish, coorect |
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| 00:44.44 | Nexus | Setting up apache2-mpm-worker (2.0.51-2) ... |
| 00:44.44 | Nexus | dpkg: error processing apache2-mpm-worker (--configure): |
| 00:44.44 | Nexus | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.45 | dpkg | Nexus: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:44.49 | guestish | WiFiTux: heh |
| 00:44.56 | abrotman | Nexus: bts says? |
| 00:45.03 | Nexus | bts? |
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| 00:45.19 | abrotman | !bts |
| 00:45.19 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 00:45.23 | oKtosiTe | nvz, SMB on Windows seems easier to configure |
| 00:45.49 | deadcat | nvz: you on ibook right? |
| 00:45.50 | guestish | !topicsmite Nexus |
| 00:45.51 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Nexus. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:46.00 | abrotman | guestish: that works too |
| 00:46.02 | guestish | :) |
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| 00:46.07 | guestish | its funner |
| 00:46.46 | oKtosiTe | [...] Not starting NFS kernel daemon: No exports. |
| 00:46.50 | guestish | WiFiTux: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LDAP-HOWTO/ |
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| 00:46.52 | Nexus | bts... Nothing I can find about no installing apache2 |
| 00:46.53 | guestish | WiFiTux: scary isnt it? |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | WiFiTux: best of luck |
| 00:47.05 | i2 | abrotman: well at least it is not failing. I think you answered my question. I found a couple held packages.;) |
| 00:47.15 | abrotman | i2: did you use apt-get or dselect? |
| 00:47.17 | WiFiTux | abrotman, why, it's too hard? |
| 00:47.42 | WiFiTux | guestish, hehe yeah I just saw that one... :) thanks |
| 00:47.46 | guestish | :) |
| 00:47.49 | i2 | dselect |
| 00:47.59 | Nexus | Where can you find a history of packages installed? |
| 00:48.04 | Nexus | Or what packages you have installed |
| 00:48.11 | Lusid | dpkg -l | less |
| 00:48.11 | dpkg | No packages found matching |
| 00:48.19 | xcy | lol |
| 00:48.19 | Lusid | Sorry dpkg. lol |
| 00:48.26 | WiFiTux | Hey, is there any Lord of the Rings freak here? |
| 00:48.37 | xcy | lol |
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| 00:48.43 | xcy | this is debian |
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| 00:48.48 | xcy | what do you think? |
| 00:48.50 | abrotman | WiFiTux: sounds ambitious |
| 00:48.50 | xcy | xDDD |
| 00:48.54 | WiFiTux | xcy, :) I know... |
| 00:48.56 | guestish | !freakout |
| 00:48.58 | abrotman | i2: try with apt-get |
| 00:49.12 | guestish | !dance |
| 00:49.16 | oKtosiTe | Nexus, get the apache2 package or use tasksel and select Web-server |
| 00:49.19 | WiFiTux | hehe |
| 00:49.20 | MerlinCorey | !shoot guestish |
| 00:49.23 | xcy | lol |
| 00:49.27 | guestish | !srt MerlinCorey |
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| 00:49.36 | MerlinCorey | !love guestish |
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| 00:49.38 | xcy | dpkg rocks |
| 00:49.38 | dpkg | Yer damned right... |
| 00:49.39 | WiFiTux | shit, what's srt? |
| 00:49.47 | guestish | MerlinCorey: dont drop the soap |
| 00:49.57 | MerlinCorey | guestish: too late for you :o |
| 00:50.00 | guestish | !botsex MerlinCorey |
| 00:50.13 | MerlinCorey | !phatedsmite guestish |
| 00:50.13 | WiFiTux | !gay guestish |
| 00:50.19 | guestish | lol |
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| 00:50.25 | i2 | abrotman: this seems to be working.;) |
| 00:50.26 | WiFiTux | hahaha |
| 00:50.27 | xcy | lol |
| 00:50.27 | MerlinCorey | !win MerlinCorey |
| 00:50.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, MerlinCorey! You have won the US presidency! |
| 00:50.30 | guestish | !botabuse |
| 00:50.31 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 00:50.42 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 00:50.50 | guestish | buahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah |
| 00:50.54 | guestish | afk |
| 00:50.56 | guestish | !afk |
| 00:50.56 | abrotman | i2: good |
| 00:50.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, afk is Away From Keyboard |
| 00:51.04 | MerlinCorey | !moronspeak |
| 00:51.04 | dpkg | FUKN SPEK PRPLY U FKN M0R0NZ!!!!11 See <sms-over-irc> <ne1> <lol> <2> <u> <r> <k>, or see http://www.hohto.to/forums/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=17720. Adding -ies, -rama or any other puerile suffix to words also qualifies, and will entitle you to a free glass of shut the fuck up. |
| 00:51.05 | oKtosiTe | nvz, are you still there? |
| 00:51.05 | xcy | lol |
| 00:51.11 | WiFiTux | SSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH!!! |
| 00:51.14 | WiFiTux | cut it! |
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| 00:51.43 | nvz | oKtosiTe: yeah preaching why Shockwave sucks downstairs |
| 00:51.53 | Nexus | oKtosiTe, I'm hoping that's going to work. |
| 00:52.04 | WiFiTux | abrotman, have you done MASQ and QoS before? I wonder if it will be better with 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
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| 00:52.15 | abrotman | WiFiTux: masq .. but not QoS |
| 00:52.20 | Led_Zeppelin | what should I look into for powersaving? |
| 00:52.22 | jvw | dpkg: it's "Nice cup of shut the fuck up" |
| 00:52.22 | dpkg | jvw: no idea |
| 00:52.29 | WiFiTux | abrotman, how about MASQ? 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 00:52.30 | nvz | deadcat: I am on a Sony Vaio PCG-FX210 |
| 00:52.53 | oKtosiTe | Nexus, doing it with tasksel worked very well for me |
| 00:52.58 | WiFiTux | dpkg: say Fuck you guestish fucktard! |
| 00:52.58 | jvw | dpkg: Wyzard binary incompatibility |
| 00:52.59 | dpkg | Fuck you guestish fucktard! |
| 00:52.59 | dpkg | jvw: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 00:53.02 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i think that's been around long enough it probably doesn't matter |
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| 00:53.06 | nvz | deadcat: I havent ever owned a Macintosh and other than casual usage in grade school never even seen or used one |
| 00:53.17 | WiFiTux | abrotman, ok, cool... |
| 00:53.18 | Nexus | oKtosiTe, Yea, so far so good. I just wish that the SQL installed mysql not posgress |
| 00:53.30 | abrotman | Nexus: so use postgres |
| 00:53.34 | abrotman | postgres is better anyways |
| 00:53.42 | Nexus | No, it sucks |
| 00:53.53 | Nexus | :) Just kidding. I go with what I know works. |
| 00:53.53 | cmcnabb | postgres >> mysql. |
| 00:53.54 | abrotman | Nexus: until you actually need a database |
| 00:54.05 | Wyzard | jvn: I know they changed the ABI in 3.4, but it's going to have to become the default eventually... |
| 00:54.06 | citral_ | Security Scan and Virus Detection do not work with your operating system. To run Security Scan and Virus Detection, you must be using Windows 98/ME, NT 4.0 Workstation/2000 Pro/XP, or Mac OS 8.1 or higher. mwahahahahaha |
| 00:54.07 | nvz | deadcat: an that was back in the Mac Classic, LC I, LC II, LC III, and LC575 days |
| 00:54.13 | oKtosiTe | Nexus, get at least mysql-server and mysql-client then |
| 00:54.19 | abrotman | Nexus: besides the mysql license issues |
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| 00:54.21 | nvz | deadcat: I did own a Apple IIe and IIc at one time though |
| 00:54.40 | Led_Zeppelin | use a real DBMS, postgresql |
| 00:54.43 | Led_Zeppelin | dpkg, postgresql |
| 00:54.44 | dpkg | A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. Not fast. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages (including PL and Perl). Has some interesting OO extensions. Packaged in Debian as 'postgresql'. Also see http://postgresql.org. |
| 00:54.59 | MerlinCorey | WiFiTux: seriously, read the link under moronspeak... it's lord of the rings goodness... |
| 00:55.05 | Led_Zeppelin | dpkg, there is replication for postgresql! |
| 00:55.05 | dpkg | Led_Zeppelin: what are you talking about? |
| 00:55.13 | asuffield | that's rather outdated. postgres is the fastest and support replication these days |
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| 00:55.21 | asuffield | s/support/supports/ |
| 00:55.24 | Wyzard | PostgreSQL replication is being worked on... it's currently in alpha or beta, I believe |
| 00:55.25 | Led_Zeppelin | dpkg, you said there is not replication, but there IS replication in postgreSQL! dummy :-) |
| 00:55.25 | dpkg | Led_Zeppelin: I think you lost me on that one |
| 00:55.39 | Led_Zeppelin | Wyzard, no, its in production. Slony |
| 00:55.42 | abrotman | asuffield: i love postgres .. but fastest is debatable and circumstansial |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | i htink pgsql replication is done now |
| 00:55.57 | useruser | man i wish i could type as fast as dpkg |
| 00:55.58 | WiFiTux | MerlinCorey, ohh cool, I didn't see anything you sent to me... Cool! |
| 00:55.59 | asuffield | abrotman: been a long time since oracle outperformed it |
| 00:56.00 | Led_Zeppelin | fast is overrated. If you tune postgrgesql, its as fast or faster then mySQL |
| 00:56.04 | nvz | I wasnt aware how useful a database was, I used to think its only use was for refrencing data from an a program like MS Access, but its used for virutally anything anymore |
| 00:56.07 | MerlinCorey | !tell WiFiTux about moronspeak |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | asuffield: i meant compared to mysql |
| 00:56.13 | Wyzard | Led_Zeppelin: ah... I didn't realize it'd gone 1.0 yet |
| 00:56.21 | MerlinCorey | WiFiTux: follow the linkz0r |
| 00:56.26 | oKtosiTe | useruser, you're a comedian |
| 00:56.28 | asuffield | abrotman: it's *always* been faster than mysql. mysql runs like a dog for anything but trivial queries |
| 00:56.29 | Led_Zeppelin | Wyzard, yep :-) replicate away |
| 00:56.42 | Led_Zeppelin | hey, what should I look into for powersaving in Linux? |
| 00:57.03 | abrotman | asuffield: no .. it hasn't .. but only in certain situations .. mysql was faster at high number of SELECTs than like pgsql7.0 |
| 00:57.13 | abrotman | asuffield: since been reversed |
| 00:57.13 | i2 | hmm. back to problem of trying to install apt-utils and it requiring a newer version of libgcc1 than is available. |
| 00:57.24 | WiFiTux | MerlinCorey, thanks bud!! |
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| 00:57.30 | asuffield | abrotman: that's a misconfigured postgresql server |
| 00:57.33 | i2 | apt-utils depends on libgcc1 (>= 3.4.1-3) |
| 00:57.38 | asuffield | abrotman: memory limits were set too low |
| 00:58.05 | abrotman | asuffield: not really .. it was true at one time . i will always use postgres .. it's much better .. but at one time .. it was not fastest for massive selects |
| 00:58.07 | Led_Zeppelin | postgresql community is much cooler then mysql :-) |
| 00:58.12 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: that too :) |
| 00:58.12 | Led_Zeppelin | dpkg, apmd |
| 00:58.13 | dpkg | i guess apmd is at http://www.worldvisions.ca/~apenwarr/apmd/ |
| 00:58.22 | asuffield | no, really |
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| 00:58.34 | kruzi | do we have an eta on when sarge is gonna become stable release;) ? |
| 00:58.50 | stew | kruzi: nope |
| 00:58.58 | abrotman | asuffield: postgresql is the best db available . IMO |
| 00:59.26 | i2 | ii libgcc1 3.3.4-2 GCC support library |
| 00:59.31 | Wyzard | best free one, at least... Oracle is probably better |
| 00:59.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: that's debatable |
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| 01:00.06 | Led_Zeppelin | Wyzard, for what? |
| 01:00.07 | abrotman | oracle is good .. and almost bulletproof .. but the speed isn't there unless it's a freakin monster of a machine |
| 01:00.10 | asuffield | Wyzard: not for a couple of years now, in terms of basic performance and features |
| 01:00.27 | i2 | anyone have a newer version of libgcc1 than 3.3.4-2 on sid? |
| 01:00.27 | Led_Zeppelin | Oracle on Linux is still not there either :-) |
| 01:00.35 | abrotman | !info libgcc1 sid |
| 01:00.39 | dpkg | libgcc1: (GCC support library), section libs, is required. Version: 1:3.4.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 01:00.45 | abrotman | oracle on linux sucks |
| 01:00.49 | abrotman | i2: ^^ |
| 01:00.55 | Led_Zeppelin | FYI, Oracle and DB2 are free for students and personal use. |
| 01:00.58 | asuffield | the only thing oracle really has going for it now is the support and consultancy businesses built up around it |
| 01:00.59 | stew | abrotman: you realize that you are violating the oracle license agreement by talking about how fast its not, right :) |
| 01:01.04 | ix | hehe, oracle pkg in non-free?? |
| 01:01.23 | abrotman | asuffield: and that freaky RAQ crap :) |
| 01:01.27 | Wyzard | I've read that Oracle has features which make it easier to work with tables that are FKed to themselves to form a hierarchy |
| 01:01.29 | Led_Zeppelin | best DBMS on Linux currently has to be PostgreSQL. |
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| 01:01.33 | asuffield | no student or person would want to use oracle. it's only even worth considering for corporate use |
| 01:01.35 | abrotman | stew: have larry sue me |
| 01:01.38 | Wyzard | (think of each row as a folder, with a "parent" FK pointing to another folder) |
| 01:01.45 | oKtosiTe | Led_Zeppelin, free of charge yeah? not free |
| 01:01.46 | peterS | Led_Zeppelin: for some definition of 'best' |
| 01:01.48 | abrotman | asuffield: and not even corporate .. heavy enterprise |
| 01:01.49 | dondelelcaro | the only reason to consider oracle is if you need a distributed DB server... |
| 01:01.53 | Led_Zeppelin | asuffield, wrong. Students want to use it, so they get good training |
| 01:02.02 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: it's not good training |
| 01:02.05 | Wyzard | I've written SPs in PostgreSQL to traverse that, but supposedly Oracle makes it easier for the developer |
| 01:02.06 | dondelelcaro | Led_Zeppelin: postgresql is far more usefull, and probably better training. |
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| 01:02.09 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: oracle has .. issues |
| 01:02.09 | Led_Zeppelin | oKtosiTe, yes its free of charge for students, and personal use. Not for production use |
| 01:02.13 | i2 | hmm.. so no >= 3.4.1-3 available? |
| 01:02.22 | abrotman | besides it's not standards compliant afaik |
| 01:02.22 | i2 | for libgcc1... |
| 01:02.31 | abrotman | !info libgcc1 experimental |
| 01:02.37 | dpkg | libgcc1: (GCC support library), section libs, is required. Version: 1:4.0-0pre0 (experimental), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 01:02.39 | peterS | i2: why do you care about your libgcc1 version, exactly? |
| 01:02.43 | abrotman | dpkg: wtf is that? |
| 01:02.44 | Led_Zeppelin | dondelelcaro, lot of major fortune 500 companies (and others) do USE oracle or DB2. Hate to tell you |
| 01:02.45 | dpkg | ...but wtf is already something else... |
| 01:02.57 | peterS | abrotman: gcc 3.5 has been renamed 4.0 |
| 01:03.06 | oKtosiTe | Led_Zeppelin, I read that the first time, sorry for letting my comment look like a question |
| 01:03.14 | dondelelcaro | Led_Zeppelin: sure. But even for those cases postgreSQL is much better for learning how to use a real SQL. |
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| 01:03.18 | abrotman | peterS: i know that .. but pre already? .. oh well |
| 01:03.24 | peterS | abrotman: pre can mean anything |
| 01:03.36 | peterS | abrotman: I don't think it means any snapshots have been actually released by the gcc steering committee |
| 01:03.38 | abrotman | peterS: like pre-child? :) |
| 01:03.49 | i2 | peterS: well. it is stopping me from upgrading a lot of packages that are now broken.. |
| 01:03.50 | Led_Zeppelin | dondelelcaro, yes and no. PostgreSQL is my favorite, but Oracle and DB2 DO support ANSI92 standard SQL |
| 01:04.07 | dondelelcaro | Led_Zeppelin: to a certain extent... |
| 01:04.10 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: and ANSI99? |
| 01:04.12 | Led_Zeppelin | dondelelcaro, if you want to really learn a DBMS (with all of this features, like replication, HAMCP, etc..etc..) you want to use Oracle or DB2 |
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| 01:04.24 | Wyzard | HAMCP ? |
| 01:04.25 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: but it's not standards compliant |
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| 01:04.30 | peterS | Wyzard: I think he means HACMP |
| 01:04.38 | Wyzard | I haven't heard that acronym though |
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| 01:04.43 | abrotman | !hacmp |
| 01:04.47 | peterS | Wyzard: high-availability cluster / multiprocessing |
| 01:04.47 | Led_Zeppelin | failover :-) |
| 01:04.55 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 01:05.06 | abrotman | mysql says they have that :) |
| 01:05.07 | peterS | Wyzard: yeah, as led_zep says, basically failover (: |
| 01:05.14 | Led_Zeppelin | hehe |
| 01:05.37 | Led_Zeppelin | then again, these DBMS do run on far superior hardware, so its not a fair comparasion. |
| 01:05.56 | peterS | abrotman: mysql said they had integrity. "just use the right data types and don't try to stuff illegal values in our DB and we guarantee it'll be ok" |
| 01:06.02 | Led_Zeppelin | but Linux is getting there, atleast on IBM hardware |
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| 01:06.19 | abrotman | is mysql even ACID yet? |
| 01:06.29 | peterS | abrotman: see, that's what the mysql developers think of as ACID |
| 01:06.30 | abrotman | peterS: my DB does that too :) |
| 01:06.38 | peterS | abrotman: "make sure the app doesn't try to do anything too funky, and we're ACID" |
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| 01:06.43 | stew | abrotman: yeah, if you declare your tables correctly |
| 01:07.00 | abrotman | peterS: but that isn't ACID :) |
| 01:07.00 | peterS | abrotman: in other words ... just *slightly* missing the point |
| 01:07.05 | peterS | abrotman: exactly |
| 01:07.40 | larrydacow | hi all...anyone know the command to launch a program as root (or prompt for root password), I don't mean from konsole |
| 01:07.56 | stew | larrydacow: sudo |
| 01:07.57 | peterS | abrotman: these things do change over time, so this criticism I heard second-hand years ago ... may no longer apply. possibly the mysql developers have since taken a Basics of RDBMSes course and learned what this stuff actually means |
| 01:08.09 | rdancer | larrydacow: apt-cache search sudo |
| 01:08.10 | larrydacow | stew: sudo <programname> ? |
| 01:08.11 | Wyzard | The thing I don't understand about MySQL is why the InnoDB table type (the one that supports transactions) is touted as an "extra" feature, not part of the core database... as if transaction support is a novelty and not something everyone should be using |
| 01:08.19 | Wyzard | larrydacow: su |
| 01:08.21 | stew | larrydacow: yes |
| 01:08.32 | larrydacow | ok..let me give it a try |
| 01:08.37 | peterS | Wyzard: it's a mindset thing |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | peterS: heh .. i still prefer postgresql . and always will |
| 01:08.50 | peterS | Wyzard: mysql developers don't think of these features as core features |
| 01:09.01 | stew | larrydacow: you need to setup sudoers first, man sudoers |
| 01:09.01 | deadcat | when partitioning a ppc, do i use fdisk or mac-fdisk? |
| 01:09.04 | abrotman | larrydacow: gksu |
| 01:09.11 | peterS | abrotman: me too, not that I need databases often enough to have any real experience with either |
| 01:09.19 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: mac-fdisk... sometimes called pdisk |
| 01:09.24 | rdancer | larrydacow: su & sudo *are* commandline, you don't want these |
| 01:09.25 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
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| 01:09.31 | abrotman | peterS: i've used a good number of major ones .. i'll still pick postgresql |
| 01:09.33 | larrydacow | I mean...the command as in (the command that is run when I click the icon of the progam) |
| 01:09.35 | Wyzard | peterS: In a way, though, it's nice to have MySQL around to draw away all the people who don't know anything about database design |
| 01:09.42 | peterS | Wyzard: hehe |
| 01:09.43 | kingsley | Which package has the "ace" compression utility? |
| 01:09.44 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: damn i just missed a greate deal on a 900mhz )= $600 |
| 01:09.49 | dondelelcaro | larrydacow: you probably mean su-to-root |
| 01:09.54 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah. that was a good deal. |
| 01:10.05 | oKtosiTe | kingsley, unace |
| 01:10.07 | Wyzard | peterS: That way if someone tells me they're using MySQL, or they're using PostgreSQL, I can make a fair guess at the quality of their software :-) |
| 01:10.14 | abrotman | Wyzard: that's good and bad . it means people who use mysql think they know about DBs |
| 01:10.14 | peterS | Wyzard: point |
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| 01:10.27 | oKtosiTe | kingsley, no ace compression, only basic decompression |
| 01:10.49 | larrydacow | dondelelcaro: I'm not sure how to explain it..its kinda out of ordinary...but you know when you click a certain program icon and it prompts you for root password? I need this certain program to do that |
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| 01:11.17 | abrotman | larrydacow: gksu > |
| 01:11.18 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:11.30 | asg | abrotman: but he appears to be using kde |
| 01:11.32 | larrydacow | will give that one a shot.. |
| 01:11.37 | larrydacow | ya, I'm using kde |
| 01:11.43 | abrotman | asg: well .. that's his fault :) |
| 01:11.44 | larrydacow | maybe kdesu? |
| 01:11.50 | abrotman | !find ksu |
| 01:11.50 | larrydacow | hey now |
| 01:11.51 | larrydacow | :) |
| 01:11.52 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ksu' (5 shown): gksu ;; libgksu1.2-0 ;; libgksu1.2-dev ;; libgksuui1.0-0 ;; libgksuui1.0-dev. |
| 01:11.56 | dan2 | asg: hey |
| 01:11.58 | meff | how can i see which irq's go to which devices in linux? |
| 01:12.00 | abrotman | !find kdesu |
| 01:12.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kdesu' (6 shown; 52 total): (/usr/bin/kdesu_stub) in libs/kdelibs-bin ;; (/usr/bin/{kdesu|kdesud}) in kde/kdebase-bin ;; (/usr/share/locale/uz/LC_MESSAGES/kdesu.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-uz ;; (/usr/share/locale/bn/LC_MESSAGES/kdesud.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-bn ;; (/usr/lib/{libkdesu.so.4|libkdesu.so.4.2.0}) in libs/kdelibs4 ;; (/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/kdesu.so) in python/python2.3-kde3. |
| 01:12.10 | abrotman | nice |
| 01:12.14 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 01:12.18 | o-o | meff: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | !find bin/kdesu |
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| 01:12.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/kdesu' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/kdesu_stub) in libs/kdelibs-bin ;; (/usr/bin/{kdesu|kdesud}) in kde/kdebase-bin. |
| 01:12.39 | larrydacow | got it!!! thanks a million guys, I've been working on this silly thing for hours :) |
| 01:12.47 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, the bin/ prefix is amazingly useful for the find command |
| 01:12.47 | larrydacow | it turns out to be kdesu in kde |
| 01:12.48 | asg | meff: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 01:12.57 | abrotman | peterS: it sure is :) |
| 01:13.06 | abrotman | larrydacow: but it's still kde :) |
| 01:13.11 | peterS | abrotman: even for things in /sbin or /usr/sbin (: |
| 01:13.26 | meff | egh.. my nvidia card is sharing interrupts with 3 other things.. i think this may be causing unstability.. is there any way i can adjust which irq's are used? |
| 01:13.35 | peterS | meff: probably you can't |
| 01:13.38 | abrotman | peterS: i know .. but who knew so many things were named 'kdesu' :) |
| 01:13.42 | larrydacow | abrotman: ya..to be totally honest, I'm not really really fond of kde...it just works with the least amount of fuss for me |
| 01:13.44 | peterS | meff: it shouldn't matter, video cards don't use a lot of interrupts, if any |
| 01:13.55 | abrotman | larrydacow: i recommend gnome :) |
| 01:13.57 | rdancer | meff: which devices? |
| 01:14.01 | o-o | meff: change the bios setting |
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| 01:14.13 | Bohhh | hello |
| 01:14.14 | larrydacow | abrotman: I would use gnome...except for one stupid fact-you can't manually enter the path to file in the file open dialog |
| 01:14.17 | meff | hmm ok, i guess i'll go back to messing with agp drive strength (stupid via chipset) :/ |
| 01:14.27 | pipeline | Speaking of interrupts, what is the "MIS" statistic in /proc/interrupts? |
| 01:14.29 | Wyzard | larrydacow: Ctrl-L |
| 01:14.39 | pipeline | And are interrupt err/mis conditions a serious problem? |
| 01:14.39 | larrydacow | whaaaa...you mean |
| 01:14.44 | peterS | pipeline: probably 'missed interrupts' |
| 01:14.47 | Bohhh | do any of you remember if usb2 exists and is stable under linux 2.4.18? |
| 01:14.48 | abrotman | larrydacow: uhm .. i'm pretty sure you can |
| 01:14.52 | larrydacow | it's that easy :) |
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| 01:15.05 | Wyzard | larrydacow: It pops up a prompt where you can type a path, with completion too |
| 01:15.07 | peterS | Bohhh: no and no |
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| 01:15.14 | peterS | Bohhh: I mean, yes, I remember. it does not exist in 2.4.18. |
| 01:15.20 | larrydacow | Wyzard: ahhh man...if I knew that |
| 01:15.27 | abrotman | larrydacow: now you do |
| 01:15.32 | abrotman | !knowing is half the battle |
| 01:15.33 | dpkg | ...but knowing is already something else... |
| 01:15.35 | larrydacow | Wyzard: well...looks like gnome is back in the mix :) |
| 01:15.38 | abrotman | *sniff* |
| 01:15.38 | peterS | Bohhh: ehci-hcd was introduced around 2.4.21 or 2.4.22, I think |
| 01:15.41 | abrotman | !go joe |
| 01:15.44 | asg | abrotman: haha |
| 01:15.45 | Bohhh | peterS, from which version of the kernel can i find a stable usb2 implementation? |
| 01:15.50 | quitte | how can i use chmod to set directories to a different mode than the files inside? |
| 01:15.58 | abrotman | !half the battle |
| 01:16.00 | asg | abrotman: thanks for a nice stroll down amnesia lane |
| 01:16.01 | abrotman | ah well |
| 01:16.04 | abrotman | asg: heh |
| 01:16.09 | peterS | Bohhh: if you are using a 2.4 kernel and wish to upgrade, there is no reason not to move to 2.4.27 |
| 01:16.11 | Wyzard | larrydacow: I use GNOME partly because I like Nautilus and Galeon better than Konqueror, and partly because I have yet to see a KDE theme that I like |
| 01:16.16 | citral | !gi-joe |
| 01:16.22 | citral | bou |
| 01:16.37 | abrotman | !gijoe citral |
| 01:16.37 | peterS | Bohhh: it appeared around 2.4.22 or so, but there's no advantage of 2.4.22 over 2.4.27 that I can think of |
| 01:16.38 | dpkg | Now you know, citral, and knowing is half the battle. Yo Joe! |
| 01:16.41 | rdancer | quitte: find /path/to -type f -exec chmod <mode> {} \; |
| 01:16.41 | abrotman | hah! |
| 01:16.42 | pipeline | Wyzard: Hear, hear. I didn't mind KDE 1.x so much, but by the 2.x days, sheesh |
| 01:16.44 | Wyzard | quitte: You don't need to do anything special... just run chmod on the directory |
| 01:16.45 | citral | hehehe |
| 01:16.49 | abrotman | !factinfo gijoe |
| 01:16.49 | dpkg | abrotman: there's no such factoid as gijoe |
| 01:16.57 | larrydacow | Wyzard: ya...I had a hard time..I've recently settled on the bluecurve them for now, pretty happy with that..but gnome does have better looking themes |
| 01:17.00 | rdancer | quitte: same with find /path/to -type d |
| 01:17.02 | quitte | Wyzard it'S a *lot* of directories |
| 01:17.03 | abrotman | !factinfo cmd: gijoe (.*?) |
| 01:17.03 | dpkg | cmd: gijoe (.*?) -- last modified at Wed Sep 22 00:26:05 2004 by dondelelcaro!~don@archimedes.ucr.edu. |
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| 01:17.13 | quitte | rdancer thank you |
| 01:17.14 | peterS | !tell abrotman -about stupid bot tricks |
| 01:17.16 | Bohhh | peterS, the reason is that a friend of mine needs support for usb2. he may choose between 2.4.27 or 2.6.x, but 2.6.x is not easy to install on debian woody 3.0. .. |
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| 01:17.25 | citral | abrotman, water ? |
| 01:17.25 | abrotman | peterS: i didn't write it .. i just was pretty sure it was there |
| 01:17.31 | oz_Dragon | hi all |
| 01:17.32 | asg | Bohhh: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 (for the latter) |
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| 01:17.47 | peterS | Bohhh: 2.4.27 should be fine |
| 01:17.47 | asg | Bohhh: though at this point, upgrading to sarge is likely to be a safe bet |
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| 01:18.28 | abrotman | heh .. !knowing works too |
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| 01:18.35 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: is the partition map (31.5k) created by the system by default or you have to do it? |
| 01:18.35 | oz_Dragon | I installed Debian 30r2 and now i want to install my WLAN-USB-Device. But there are existing no drivers for linux. can anyone help me? |
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| 01:18.59 | ctd | oz_Dragon: Tried ndiswrapper? |
| 01:19.01 | peterS | oz_Dragon: if there are no drivers for Linux, you should have bought different hardware. I don't think we can help you. |
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| 01:19.29 | oz_Dragon | its a DWL-122 device from d-link |
| 01:19.42 | abrotman | oz_Dragon: #wireless |
| 01:19.47 | oz_Dragon | ok, thx :) |
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| 01:20.04 | citral | s/change/changed/ |
| 01:20.06 | abrotman | i like my dlink wifi router |
| 01:20.19 | quitte | rdancer can you explain the "{} \;" part of that command to help me memorize that? |
| 01:20.22 | pipeline | If it doesn't say cisco/juniper/3com on the front, is it really a router? :P |
| 01:20.29 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it should be created by the macintosh partition formatter... but you don't need it for linux only... |
| 01:20.38 | asg | pipeline: extreme makes decent routers too |
| 01:20.45 | abrotman | pipeline: depends on the need |
| 01:20.47 | asg | pipeline: not to mention a decent linux box with 2 nics |
| 01:20.50 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it's a relic from HFS only days and early MacOSes |
| 01:20.50 | rdancer | quitte: man find | less +/-exec |
| 01:20.53 | peterS | quitte: {} in a 'find -exec' statement is where the filename is substituted. the ; terminates the -exec statement, but if you just type ; the shell will interpret it - thus \; instead |
| 01:20.56 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh. damn. (= i was planning to have both for a while then rm the mac later on |
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| 01:21.20 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, you can still use both... but as far as I know, that part of the partition is useless. |
| 01:21.28 | deadcat | k |
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| 01:21.50 | asg | peterS: and that's why we use xargs these days to avoid such syntactic fopery |
| 01:21.51 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: generally you just install macos first, and tell it how you want things partitioned, leaving the space you want for linux unpartitioned, and then come in with macfdisk and partition the part you left |
| 01:21.57 | quitte | ok thanks. I guess I really have to read the complete find docs. |
| 01:22.05 | peterS | asg: indeed. I haven't used find -exec in *years*, IIRC |
| 01:22.05 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: at least, that's how I've always done it when I want macos there. |
| 01:22.10 | sussudio | !listkeys dwl |
| 01:22.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dwl' by key (1 shown): dwl-650 setup. |
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| 01:22.16 | LiPeGoN_ | t |
| 01:22.17 | asg | peterS: :) |
| 01:22.18 | peterS | asg: however, find -exec is more portable than find -print0 | xargs -0 |
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| 01:22.22 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. thats the instruction i got |
| 01:22.26 | peterS | asg: and the latter is safer than find | xargs |
| 01:22.35 | asg | peterS: this is true |
| 01:22.58 | sussudio | dwl-122 is a fucking usb wireless thing. |
| 01:23.00 | asg | peterS: though we can generally assume that the question relates to debian and not Solaris 2.6 or somesuch. |
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| 01:23.07 | dan2 | peterS: not to mention find -exec has the syntax of perl |
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| 01:23.24 | sussudio | it's also the first goddamn hit on "dwl-122 linux" on google that gets you to a howto |
| 01:23.25 | peterS | dan2: nah, perl syntax is more readable |
| 01:23.43 | rdancer | asg: -print0 | xargs -l -0 is better than -exec {} \; ?? |
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| 01:24.02 | asg | rdancer: in some senses, in some not (see above) |
| 01:24.02 | peterS | rdancer: faster to run, for sure |
| 01:24.21 | sussudio | abrotman: that oz_Dragon is a fucking asshole |
| 01:24.43 | sussudio | abrotman: http://julian.coccia.com/article-53.html/ < first goddamn hit on google |
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| 01:25.06 | asg | peterS: for fun, have a look at /sbin/kernelversion and tell me that the first line in pick() is wrong |
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| 01:25.15 | dan2 | asg: tomorrow is game day |
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| 01:25.20 | asg | dan2: good luck |
| 01:25.25 | dan2 | asg: we're gonna whoop coatesville |
| 01:25.40 | dan2 | asg: coach was pissed last year about their POOR SPORTSMANSHIP |
| 01:25.44 | peterS | asg: hmmm. what's the problem with it? |
| 01:25.52 | peterS | asg: other than terminal ugliness? |
| 01:25.54 | asg | peterS: OLD_IFS=IFS |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | sussudio: maybe he's just dumb? |
| 01:26.01 | peterS | asg: ahhh (: |
| 01:26.01 | asg | peterS: shouldn't it be OLD_IFS=$IFS |
| 01:26.03 | dondelelcaro | dan2: hahahaha "poor sportsmanship" |
| 01:26.04 | dan2 | asg: its customary to have captains shake hands at the end of the game, these guys just left |
| 01:26.07 | peterS | asg: I missed that. I was looking in the pick1 function (: |
| 01:26.14 | peterS | asg: you are of course correct |
| 01:26.16 | dan2 | asg: they threw stuff at our buses as we left |
| 01:26.31 | asg | peterS: okay, was getting a second opinion before sending a bug |
| 01:26.32 | dan2 | asg: and last year's team got their asses handed to them before they hit the field |
| 01:26.33 | asg | peterS: thanks |
| 01:26.38 | sussudio | abrotman: no, he's 1) a liar for saying there's no drivers 2) an asshole for not using google 3) a lazy bastard 4) needs to die by hitachi vibrator |
| 01:26.38 | asg | dan2: :) |
| 01:26.38 | peterS | asg: also, is 'local' supported in posix sh? I thought that was a bashism |
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| 01:26.45 | dan2 | asg: luckily the game is at home and we reign "The Hole" |
| 01:26.48 | asg | peterS: I'll investigate |
| 01:26.49 | abrotman | sussudio: oh .. well .. yes :) |
| 01:26.55 | barkeeper12 | I'm buiding a debian package. There is a COPYING file in the source containig the GPL. Do I have to include it in debian/docs ? |
| 01:27.08 | dan2 | asg: notoriously Freshman get the shitfields, so our practice field "The pit", game field "The Hole" |
| 01:27.21 | peterS | asg: well, "local" works in dash. that's good enough for me. |
| 01:27.37 | asg | peterS: yeah (set -o posix didn't seem to cause issues) |
| 01:27.43 | bob2 | barkeeper12: no |
| 01:27.48 | rdancer | barkeeper12: include it by reference. |
| 01:27.50 | asg | dan2: hehehe |
| 01:27.54 | barkeeper12 | bob2: Ok |
| 01:28.01 | bob2 | barkeeper12: read policy and/or the new maintainers guide, but make sure your debian/copyright iscorrecdty |
| 01:28.05 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: what team you play for? (= |
| 01:28.12 | peterS | dan2: in your state they don't spell it The Pitt? |
| 01:28.25 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I used to play for Marina and a few club teams... been a while, though. |
| 01:29.00 | barkeeper12 | bob2: Oh, I completely forgot about debian/copyright and fooled myself :) |
| 01:29.12 | deadcat | what sport we talking about? |
| 01:29.13 | dan2 | peterS: no |
| 01:29.18 | barkeeper12 | so the point is clear. thank you & cya |
| 01:29.19 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: waterpolo |
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| 01:29.25 | deadcat | barkeeper12: whos leg do i have to hump to get a martini here? |
| 01:29.28 | nvz | peterS: they say Pitt where I come from, but I am from Pittsburgh |
| 01:29.30 | bob2 | uh-oh |
| 01:29.32 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: damn. nice. i cant even swim )= |
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| 01:29.35 | bob2 | more swiss nms |
| 01:29.38 | peterS | nvz: right |
| 01:29.39 | bob2 | it's a conspirafcy! |
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| 01:29.58 | dan2 | peterS: asg: the field sucks so much as at the very very bottom of the hill, thus "The Pit" |
| 01:30.05 | sussudio | bob2: the come to daddy video was on a torrent |
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| 01:30.06 | dan2 | peterS: its very very steep hill |
| 01:30.27 | peterS | dan2: must be great fun to practice on. if you like sprained ankles and such |
| 01:30.33 | bob2 | sussudio: haha |
| 01:30.41 | dan2 | peterS: field is flat |
| 01:30.42 | chaos_ | just accidentally deleted a text file; any way to get it back? |
| 01:30.58 | nvz | which are only a few miles north of Pittsburgh |
| 01:31.08 | afcpack_ | dondelelcaro: usually "pitt" is followed by "sucks" |
| 01:31.13 | Xenguy | chaos_: the sarcastic answer is - yeah, backups ;-) |
| 01:31.16 | bob2 | chaos_: on ext2, possibly, on other filesystems, probably not |
| 01:31.17 | FieldySnuts | PA has some amusing city names |
| 01:31.18 | dondelelcaro | nvz: heh. Someone should change the city sign to 1337d413 |
| 01:31.25 | afcpack_ | but not "Pittsburgh" |
| 01:31.25 | FieldySnuts | King of Prussia, forget the others |
| 01:31.28 | Xenguy | chaos_: just thot I'd preempt that one ;-) |
| 01:31.52 | FieldySnuts | I think there is a Blueball, PA |
| 01:32.11 | chaos_ | Xenguy : yea, yea, i know. |
| 01:32.24 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: dunno... we have zzyzx here... |
| 01:32.26 | chaos_ | bob2 : type on my /dev/hdb2 is 83 |
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| 01:32.33 | FieldySnuts | that's messed up |
| 01:32.44 | chaos_ | bob2 : how can i see if it's ext or ext2? |
| 01:32.45 | Xenguy | chaos_: better me than some other prick :P |
| 01:32.52 | chaos_ | Xenguy : :) |
| 01:32.56 | afcpack_ | it takes CMU, Duquense, and Robert Morris *combined* to offset the suckiness that is pitt... |
| 01:33.00 | bob2 | chaos_: run "mount". |
| 01:33.06 | abrotman | afcpack_: they failed |
| 01:33.07 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: it's about half way in between where I am and las vegas... |
| 01:33.10 | rdancer | chaos_: you can always grep /dev/hdb2 for some known text from that file. if that file didn't span but few sectors, this is a viable approach |
| 01:33.21 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: ie, in the middle of no where. |
| 01:33.23 | chaos_ | bob2 : weird, says /dev/hdb2 on / type unknown |
| 01:33.26 | afcpack_ | abrotman: obviously :) |
| 01:33.36 | abrotman | afcpack_: you're still stuck with the pirates :) |
| 01:33.42 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 01:33.45 | dondelelcaro | and yes, you haven't seen no where until you've been into the mojave desert or the outback |
| 01:34.19 | ugly | how can I display ANSI characters in xterm much like I get in console after entering 'echo -e '\033(U''? |
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| 01:34.28 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: there is blueball and intercourse .. and bird-in-hand |
| 01:34.30 | dan2 | FieldySnuts: blue ball is near lancaster |
| 01:34.36 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: yeah I remember those now |
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| 01:34.51 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: didn't we find a site that has dumb town names before? |
| 01:34.51 | FieldySnuts | i know I have a url with amusing city names all over the place, but I can't find it. |
| 01:34.55 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 01:35.02 | prologic | Q: Are there any (web) control panel software available for Debian ? |
| 01:35.04 | FieldySnuts | one city was called "T" or something heh |
| 01:35.11 | bob2 | prologic: webmin |
| 01:35.16 | dan2 | prologic: A: webmin |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | no .. god no .. no webmin |
| 01:35.20 | bob2 | prologic: but you're so much better off learning config files |
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| 01:35.34 | FieldySnuts | webmin likes to strip comments out of config files, I hate the fscker |
| 01:35.36 | prologic | bob2: it's not for me, for clients |
| 01:35.41 | prologic | bob2: don't ask why they want it :( |
| 01:35.42 | dan2 | prologic: be warned webmin tends to raise your psychiatrist bill |
| 01:35.47 | FieldySnuts | and I wouldn't call it commercial grade either |
| 01:36.01 | afcpack | abrotman: I'll take the Pirates and Steelers anytime... the panthers can piss off :) |
| 01:36.02 | afeared | hey guys, running sarge, need to recompile the kernel for some driver issues, how can I get the kernel source for my distro? |
| 01:36.02 | gumpish | Er... which of the Fourteen sarge ISOs do I need? |
| 01:36.08 | prologic | thanks guys |
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| 01:36.13 | sussudio | Wang Township, MN (county subdivision) Population (1990): 284 Location: 44.84250 N, 95.42848 W |
| 01:36.13 | dan2 | asg: still there? |
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| 01:36.15 | asg | nvz: sweetwater somewhat offsets you leetness though |
| 01:36.18 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: haha |
| 01:36.21 | asg | dan2: yeah |
| 01:36.45 | Wyzard | gumpish: None of them, if you have an Internet connection available while installing... go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and get the 50MB "businesscard" image |
| 01:36.50 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: MS will have lots of weird names, so will north or south dakota (ND / SD) |
| 01:36.52 | asg | dan2: important tip: manicotti + beer = prolific flatulence (avoid at all costs) |
| 01:36.52 | dan2 | asg: I wrote a bc clone in ml |
| 01:37.01 | ugly | gumpish: why not just use the netinst CD? |
| 01:37.13 | asg | dan2: hehe |
| 01:37.13 | abrotman | afcpack: redsox!! |
| 01:37.20 | sussudio | !badger wang |
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| 01:37.21 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 01:37.25 | FieldySnuts | I think there's a Crotch, MS |
| 01:37.26 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 01:37.34 | dan2 | asg: ocaml is very very easy to write parsers and lexers |
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| 01:37.43 | gumpish | =/ |
| 01:38.17 | asg | dan2: I've toyed with flex and bison for academic purposes before |
| 01:38.23 | gumpish | From what I understand, I may need to do the install several times to get it right... |
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| 01:38.26 | afcpack | abrotman: in the AL east? absolutely :) |
| 01:38.40 | abrotman | NL is for pansies |
| 01:39.15 | poleHom | anyone know how to get the j2re rpms to work? i alienated it, but i cant run anything java |
| 01:39.19 | dan2 | asg: flex and bison are annoying |
| 01:39.29 | abrotman | !install java |
| 01:39.30 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Download a Java runtime or dev-kit package in .bin (self-extracting shell script) format from java.sun.com. Install that as root with "cd /usr/local; sh /path/to/jwhatever.bin". Make /usr/local/bin/java (and javac if it's a dev-kit) symlinks to the corresponding programs in /usr/local/jwhatever/bin. Now ask me about <mozilla java>. See also <mpkg-j2se> or even better <j2se-package>. |
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| 01:39.43 | afcpack | the Babe didn't hit a single HR as a DH :P :) |
| 01:39.44 | asg | dan2: nah, just different |
| 01:39.48 | Wyzard | Java support in Debian isn't the greatest |
| 01:39.57 | dan2 | asg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SoTVWI43.html |
| 01:40.05 | asg | Wyzard: download from sun, stuff in /usr/local, make symlinks. Done. |
| 01:40.18 | dan2 | asg: thats the core of the program |
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| 01:40.43 | poleHom | i'm using the rpms converted to debs |
| 01:40.44 | asg | dan2: interesting and terse |
| 01:40.46 | dan2 | asg: I bet thats a lot tinyer than you could have created in perl or with bison and flex |
| 01:40.48 | anthill | how does one restart XFS? |
| 01:41.01 | dan2 | asg: iirc its an LR |
| 01:41.05 | abrotman | afcpack: sorry .. i just thnik of the NL as having a free out |
| 01:41.05 | asg | dan2: syntactically, yes |
| 01:41.07 | anthill | when i go to /etc/init.d/xfs restart it gives me a bunch of commandline options |
| 01:41.13 | Wyzard | asg: That can hardly be called "in Debian"... I'm talking about working, usable packages |
| 01:41.32 | dan2 | asg: LR = left-right fast parser |
| 01:41.37 | bob2 | anthill: just don't use XFS |
| 01:41.41 | asg | Wyzard: the dfsg prohibits it (unless you use blackdown et. al.) |
| 01:41.53 | anthill | good answer |
| 01:41.55 | bob2 | the end of "the sleeping god" was shit. |
| 01:42.04 | bob2 | don't bother reading it, or the reality dysfunction. |
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| 01:42.13 | ctd | XFS is old stuff, man. |
| 01:42.23 | Wyzard | asg: What exactly is Blackdown, anyway? |
| 01:42.33 | asg | !blackdown |
| 01:42.34 | dpkg | blackdown kicks ass; they're java people for linux -- http://www.blackdown.org, or a group of Sun Java products ported to Linux by the Blackdown development team. Get it at http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html, or most mirrors have aptable sections, or a group of folks who signed NDA's with Sun and got the JDK source code. they ported it to linux and put it up on blackdown.org, or ask me about get-blackdown |
| 01:42.44 | Wyzard | aha |
| 01:43.13 | asg | Wyzard: I still find it easier to grab sun's jdks and stuff them in /usr/local ;) |
| 01:43.20 | sussudio | wow. the temp's really dropped outside. |
| 01:43.31 | asg | sussudio: ice weasels cometh |
| 01:43.35 | Wyzard | So if it's OK to have Blackdown Java in Debian, why aren't there any working packages of it? :-) |
| 01:43.39 | dan2 | asg: how many lines of code would it take to do that in perl |
| 01:43.42 | sussudio | asg: ice weasel pr0n? |
| 01:43.47 | bob2 | Wyzard: it's not OK |
| 01:43.53 | Wyzard | There's j2re1.4 from an unofficial source, but it's built with the old GCC so it doesn't work with Mozilla |
| 01:43.56 | bob2 | blackdown is non-free. |
| 01:43.58 | abrotman | Wyzard: blackdown used to make debian packages .. tehy stopped a while ago afaik |
| 01:44.01 | peterS | asg: errr, 'cometh' is third person singular. if there's more than one ice weasel, sorry, even in archaic English they "come" |
| 01:44.03 | asg | dan2: depends on who writes the perl |
| 01:44.04 | bob2 | hence why it's not in Debian |
| 01:44.26 | sussudio | yesterday it was 16C outside at this time, now it's 5C |
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| 01:44.36 | abrotman | sussudio: idaho? |
| 01:44.43 | sussudio | abrotman: what? |
| 01:44.44 | asg | peterS: yeah, my mistake. Thanks for the HUP. |
| 01:44.44 | peterS | asg: I realise that takes all the fun out of using old grammar, when it looks just like new grammar, but oh well |
| 01:44.50 | ctd | bob2, I should read the debian policies one day, but wouldn't it be able to go in non-free? |
| 01:44.50 | abrotman | sussudio: not idaho? |
| 01:44.52 | Wyzard | bob2: Debian has a non-free section... I know, those packages technically aren't part of Debian, but it'd still be nice to have Java available without having to resort to non-packaged clutter. |
| 01:44.55 | sussudio | < non-USian |
| 01:44.55 | AdrianLP | I've just installed cvs. I have no firewall. How do I convince Debian to allow CVS connections on port 2401? |
| 01:45.05 | FieldySnuts | f*ck java |
| 01:45.06 | abrotman | sussudio: damn it .. who lives in idaho |
| 01:45.07 | asg | peterS: I was just being prosaic (badly) |
| 01:45.16 | sussudio | abrotman: i don't think anyone really does live there |
| 01:45.21 | ctd | AdrianLP: With pserver? |
| 01:45.23 | abrotman | of course .. it took me a while to realize that scarynetworkguy doesn't live in MI .. it's MerlinCorey |
| 01:45.33 | peterS | asg: well, you were just unlucky enough to run into one of my pet peeves: people who use 16th-century grammar incorrectly (: |
| 01:45.47 | abrotman | Adrian: look at .. cvsd i thik it's called |
| 01:45.50 | abrotman | !info cvsd |
| 01:45.51 | AdrianLP | ctd: With SERVER method. When installed cvs suggests against pserver saying old versions were insecure. |
| 01:45.52 | dpkg | cvsd: (Chroot wrapper to run `cvs pserver' more securely), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0.3 (sid), Packaged size: 66 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
| 01:45.58 | asg | peterS: would '(Ice weasels) cometh' help in any way? |
| 01:46.04 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.10 | peterS | asg: "at least one of the ice weasels cometh" |
| 01:46.11 | ctd | AdrianLP: That's because pserver sucks arse. :) |
| 01:46.11 | dan2 | asg: one problem is feeding it a string like this, 9^2*5 |
| 01:46.12 | peterS | asg: then it's singular |
| 01:46.17 | dan2 | asg: it interprets it as 9^10 |
| 01:46.18 | asg | peterS: fair enough |
| 01:46.28 | dan2 | asg: so you'd have to put parentheses around the exponent |
| 01:46.32 | AdrianLP | ctd: No matter, I'm using :server: |
| 01:46.36 | FieldySnuts | erogenous... zoooone! (if you know what that's from, you're a dork) |
| 01:46.43 | ctd | AdrianLP: Ah. :) |
| 01:46.53 | De_Mon | I'm downloading a buch of files with bittorrent, and I'm curious which files are currently open. lsof doesn't appear to be listing them though |
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| 01:47.41 | Wyzard | hmm, maybe the Java situation is changing... there's a "sun-j2re1.4debian" package in unstable, though it depends on a "sun-j2re1.4" which doesn't exist (yet?) |
| 01:47.45 | De_Mon | oh yeah, the question.. "what should I be using?" |
| 01:47.45 | AdrianLP | ctd: wait, granted, when I try `:server:jedi@MYHOST:/var/lib/cvs/school/c++_assign1` it says the :server: method is not installed. How does one isntall it? The install asked me if I want to use it over pserver. |
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| 01:48.14 | dan2 | asg: so I enhanced the parser to give it some sort of order of operations |
| 01:48.41 | peterS | AdrianLP: I thought cvs only had :pserver: and :ext: |
| 01:49.16 | ctd | AdrianLP: Do you have to use CVS in this case? :) |
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| 01:49.33 | AdrianLP | peterS: When I installed it, it suggested against using pserver. Perhaps choosing no means it would not install either. From reading it, I thought it meant it'd use server in place of pserver. |
| 01:50.04 | AdrianLP | ctd: I'm trying to play with it, so that I can write a proposal (a school project) on what it is, and how to use it. Can't do that though till I get it working. |
| 01:50.13 | peterS | AdrianLP: cvs across a network can be done two ways, that I know of: (1) connection to a cvs pserver, (2) tunneling over another TCP link, such as rsh or ssh, to a shell at the other end that runs 'cvs server' |
| 01:50.49 | AdrianLP | peterS: Is there an easy way to reconfig the already installed CVS so I can tell it to use pserver? |
| 01:50.49 | ctd | AdrianLP: Do it on gnu-arch instead. :) |
| 01:51.02 | AdrianLP | ctd: CVS-like, or based on CVS? |
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| 01:51.07 | peterS | AdrianLP: well, you can dpkg-reconfigure cvs |
| 01:51.24 | Xenguy | AdrianLP: I don't think you want to use pserver unless you have to... |
| 01:51.31 | peterS | AdrianLP: but basically all pserver support is, is adding a single line to /etc/inetd.conf to start up a pserver for a given directory, on demand |
| 01:51.41 | Xenguy | AdrianLP: have you tried #cvs ? Look for ThunderChicken ;-) |
| 01:51.42 | asg | AdrianLP: you might also 'apt-get install cvsbook' and read it (to get more source material) |
| 01:51.43 | ctd | AdrianLP: Anyone who's worked with CVS should find it fairly easy to adapt to. |
| 01:51.50 | ctd | AdrianLP: apt-get install tla |
| 01:51.56 | peterS | AdrianLP: pserver is fine for anonymous cvs, but for authenticated, cvs-over-ssh is considered quite a lot better |
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| 01:52.15 | Wyzard | I'd use Subversion rather than Arch |
| 01:52.20 | peterS | ctd: tla is a nice program that someone forgot to write a UI for |
| 01:52.36 | Xenguy | !start a versioning war |
| 01:52.39 | ctd | peterS: Nobody needs a UI. :) |
| 01:52.43 | peterS | ctd: the hoops you jump through just to see the equivalent of 'cvs diff | less' are nothing short of astounding |
| 01:52.47 | Wyzard | There was an interview with Tom Lord on slashdot a few days ago |
| 01:52.47 | Xenguy | heheh - there should be a factoid there ;-) |
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| 01:53.00 | asg | Xenguy: let those fingers do the walking |
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| 01:53.13 | peterS | ctd: "ooh, first I make a changeset, then I extract the gnu diff from the changeset, then I view it, then I delete the directory the changeset is in" |
| 01:53.21 | peterS | ctd: no thanks, 'cvs diff' and 'svn diff' are ... a bit nicer |
| 01:53.25 | Xenguy | asg: too lazy to decode - so the idea gets thrown into the ether ;-) |
| 01:53.28 | asg | peterS: you forgot the goat |
| 01:53.39 | sussudio | !ewe |
| 01:53.40 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 01:53.45 | peterS | asg: pardon my limited tla experience. I don't always remember the goat |
| 01:54.42 | peterS | ctd: bob2 keeps threatening to write a real UI for tla. if and when he does, I'll look upon it a lot more kindly |
| 01:54.53 | peterS | or if and when someone else does, I suppose |
| 01:55.13 | AdrianLP | peterS: I was just hoping to connect using a simple tool like Tortoise CVS, is this possible if I do not run pserver? |
| 01:55.22 | Wyzard | My complaint with Arch isn't the lack of a UI... it's the wacky naming conventions and the lack of a server (yes, it allows distributed collaboration, but it also creates permissions issues when you have several users committing) |
| 01:55.30 | peterS | AdrianLP: I have no idea what Tortoise CVS supports as far as network access methods |
| 01:55.36 | AdrianLP | Xenguy: Ya, posted to #cvs quite awhile ago. |
| 01:55.40 | peterS | AdrianLP: that's something you'll have to look up in the Tortoise docs |
| 01:55.49 | asg | AdrianLP: is that the windows cvs explorer thingy? |
| 01:55.53 | ctd | Wyzard: It's not too hard to just have a central repository like CVS. |
| 01:56.17 | peterS | Wyzard: to be fair, the lack of server isn't that big of a deal - it's basically the cvs model. if you want multiple people to have shared access to a repo on a server they all ssh to, you can do that with both cvs and tla |
| 01:56.22 | AdrianLP | asg: Yes. |
| 01:56.34 | asg | AdrianLP: then it can use cvs-over-ssh |
| 01:57.11 | AdrianLP | asg: Hmmm, then I'm doing something really wrong. |
| 01:57.14 | Wyzard | The problem is that when someone does a commit, the new files are owned by their account rather than by some daemon account, so they can't be modified by other users |
| 01:57.41 | asg | AdrianLP: I don't know the setup but I have developers who use it. |
| 01:57.47 | Wyzard | Of course, committed revisions should never be modified by anyone, but I had problems with arch involving ownership of "housekeeping" files in the repository |
| 01:57.47 | peterS | Wyzard: that's what umasks are for |
| 01:58.00 | asg | Wyzard: and setgid |
| 01:58.24 | peterS | asg: it *would* be nice if setgid on directories implied inheriting umask as well as gid |
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| 01:58.43 | Wyzard | tried that, didn't work, and I'm pretty sure I proved at the time that it *couldn't* be made to work |
| 01:58.47 | asg | peterS: yes, though CVSUMASK helps |
| 01:58.54 | Wyzard | I asked some other Arch users and was told that filesystem ACLs were the only solution |
| 01:58.55 | AdrianLP | asg: It allows me to write my own CVSROOT connection string. I'm still reading up on that. Don't know how to make it use cvs over SSH |
| 01:58.56 | peterS | asg: ah, I didn't know about that variable. anyway. |
| 01:59.06 | peterS | asg: I mean in general, not just for cvs or tla |
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| 01:59.10 | asg | peterS: ah, true |
| 01:59.26 | peterS | AdrianLP: cvs over ssh requires no extra effort. it Just Works |
| 01:59.38 | Wyzard | But whether you use filesystem ACLs, or get it to work with umasks, it's horribly ugly, and I'd much rather have all the files owned by a system account and managed by a daemon. |
| 01:59.39 | asg | AdrianLP: generally, :ext:me@server:/var/lib/cvs (on a debian box's default repo) |
| 01:59.40 | peterS | AdrianLP: your user needs to have ssh access to the box, and needs to know his / her password or have a public key or whatnot |
| 01:59.46 | abrotman | Adrian: tortoise can use ssh |
| 01:59.52 | abrotman | AdrianLP: tortoise can use ssh |
| 01:59.56 | asg | AdrianLP: I suggest using public kyes |
| 02:00.02 | AdrianLP | Ya, I have such setup. |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | or try wincvs |
| 02:00.14 | abrotman | much more capability |
| 02:00.23 | asg | abrotman: we established that some time ago, you stoned on cheesteak again? :) |
| 02:00.37 | abrotman | asg: beer :) |
| 02:00.41 | abrotman | mmm .. beer |
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| 02:00.47 | asg | abrotman: ah, then we are on level footing |
| 02:00.53 | abrotman | i'm just sleepy .. i had to get up early to go to work to rescue flooding |
| 02:01.08 | asg | abrotman: did you guys get hit hard? |
| 02:01.13 | peterS | AdrianLP: anyway, cvs-over-ssh is just a matter of telling the cvs client (on unix) CVS_RSH=ssh and use the path :ext:username@hostname:/dir/to/cvsroot |
| 02:01.21 | dan2 | asg: storm was bad |
| 02:01.23 | abrotman | asg: my office was wet .. inside |
| 02:01.24 | peterS | AdrianLP: random clients on Windows - well, RTFM |
| 02:01.29 | asg | abrotman: ouch |
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| 02:01.35 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. but i was at home :) |
| 02:01.37 | asg | dan2: we got some nastiness but not too bad |
| 02:01.41 | dan2 | asg: a lake formed in my front yard 3 5" deep |
| 02:01.48 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | asg: i guess the door was sealed with plastic and about a foot up the door |
| 02:02.04 | AdrianLP | peterS: I'm reading, have been. I wish it was easy to separate correct docs, from non correct, and advanced from beginners. Quickly, easily that is. |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | the water was about a foot up |
| 02:02.21 | asg | dan2: how much rain did you get? |
| 02:02.29 | sussudio | ok, this is fucked up. i have identical files, but when i gzip them, they become different. |
| 02:02.52 | peterS | sussudio: gzip puts a timestamp and filename in |
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| 02:03.05 | sussudio | !spank gzip |
| 02:03.11 | abrotman | asg: i think it was like 6" in about 4 hours |
| 02:03.21 | asg | abrotman: yeah, that's a fair bit |
| 02:03.21 | peterS | sussudio: gzip -n might be more deterministic |
| 02:03.22 | lexton | kinky.... |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | asg: dan2 lives about 30 minutes from my office |
| 02:03.31 | asg | abrotman: ah |
| 02:03.39 | sussudio | !botsex lexton |
| 02:03.48 | bob2 | ctd: it at least didn't allow redistributio by Debian |
| 02:03.49 | asg | abrotman: we got quite a bit, now I'm fighting fire ants |
| 02:03.52 | bob2 | that may have changed |
| 02:04.35 | doener | RE# |
| 02:04.38 | doener | re |
| 02:04.39 | abrotman | asg: extinguisher |
| 02:04.43 | asg | bob2: that was either the wrong window or you are lagging bad |
| 02:04.43 | sussudio | in soviet russia, fire ants fight _you_ |
| 02:05.13 | bob2 | asg: wandered off to "fix" a windows machine |
| 02:05.14 | doener | has anybody an idea how to set up a wg511t netgear under amd64-debian? |
| 02:05.15 | asg | abrotman: I only have a small one; I do have some decent powder (I don't have a problem but mrs. asg is allergic to them.) |
| 02:05.23 | asg | bob2: ;) |
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| 02:05.29 | doener | there are ndiswrapper-driver but only for ia32 ... |
| 02:05.45 | abrotman | asg: time to get a new mrs. asg :) |
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| 02:06.04 | asg | abrotman: that might happen if enough are allowed to live (which I don't want) |
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| 02:06.16 | abrotman | asg: good thinking |
| 02:06.30 | Nexus | I can't seem to turn on dma... Can I configure the kernel myself with a debian install? |
| 02:06.50 | xerophyte | on a Disk cylinders = tracks is that true, if not how does it different ? |
| 02:07.12 | AdrianLP | Should each module within CVS have its own CVSROOT directory? It seems odd that everyone needs to write to the root of CVS if not. |
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| 02:07.27 | abrotman | #cvs ? |
| 02:07.29 | peterS | xerophyte: yes, and neither of those matters for modern media |
| 02:07.39 | asg | AdrianLP: get the cvsbook, such things are explained |
| 02:07.49 | AdrianLP | abrotman: Ya, still waiting for them to answer my first question, which was 30 mins ago. |
| 02:07.50 | mwilson | Nexus: "can't"? |
| 02:08.03 | abrotman | AdrianLP: not the fastest people :) |
| 02:08.06 | Nexus | mwilson, I tried hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda |
| 02:08.26 | mwilson | Nexus: I'm happy for you. And...? |
| 02:08.28 | xerophyte | peterS, why? |
| 02:08.49 | sussudio | xerophyte: bunnies |
| 02:09.08 | AdrianLP | asg: Would cvshome.org generally be as good? |
| 02:09.08 | xerophyte | sussudio, ??? |
| 02:09.11 | Nexus | mwilson, Well, my guess is that something isn't enabled in the kernel. So I need to figure out how to configure a kernel in debian... |
| 02:09.19 | peterS | xerophyte: nobody uses disk geometry except (a) on floppy disks, or (b) to support legacy systems, such as in partition tables |
| 02:09.23 | sussudio | !tell xerophyte about bunnies |
| 02:09.23 | AdrianLP | xerophyte: A good song. |
| 02:09.35 | mwilson | I give up. |
| 02:09.48 | peterS | sussudio: this afternoon I noticed that your bunnies bot got renamed at some point |
| 02:09.49 | asg | AdrianLP: that's the location of the cederqvist (basically 'info cvs'.) The 'cvsbook' that you can apt-get install is the Coriolis Press CVS book |
| 02:09.55 | abrotman | cvshome.org? |
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| 02:10.01 | sussudio | peterS: it's schizo |
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| 02:10.50 | abrotman | piezo |
| 02:10.50 | HydroSan | I have a question. How do you completely backup a MySQL database? |
| 02:10.53 | asg | HydroSan: man mysqldump |
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| 02:11.09 | abrotman | #mysql |
| 02:11.28 | sussudio | !dump |
| 02:11.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, dump is See core dump, or the act of relieving oneself of solid waste, or a backup tool - see 'man dump' and http://dump.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 02:11.44 | FieldySnuts | heh! |
| 02:11.55 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: what happened to !badger ? |
| 02:12.04 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: g4lt happened |
| 02:12.06 | asg | FieldySnuts: dpkg came back online |
| 02:12.09 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 02:12.26 | abrotman | g4lt-away: you removed badger!! |
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| 02:12.38 | xerophyte | Which books explain SATA and ATA stuff to novice? |
| 02:12.47 | asg | abrotman: g4lt is on a mission to purge useless factoids |
| 02:12.50 | FieldySnuts | what are we a library? |
| 02:12.55 | sussudio | xerophyte: travels through southern italy |
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| 02:13.44 | Nexus | How do I install kernel sources so I can compile my own? |
| 02:13.48 | Nexus | Kinda new to this debianthing. |
| 02:13.57 | peterS | !tell Nexus -about kp |
| 02:14.06 | initech | Nexus: apt-cache search kernel-image and choose one you like |
| 02:14.14 | initech | Nexus: and kernel-package |
| 02:14.23 | initech | err, kernel-source i mean |
| 02:14.29 | Nexus | :) Ok. |
| 02:14.39 | Nexus | Wait.. So I just neeed kernel-source? |
| 02:14.39 | jakeb | also you will need build-essencials |
| 02:14.47 | asg | jakeb: build-essential |
| 02:15.11 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 02:15.11 | dpkg | i heard useless factoids is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 02:15.12 | jakeb | asg thanks |
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| 02:15.17 | abrotman | asg: not doing so well :) |
| 02:15.24 | asg | abrotman: bah |
| 02:15.48 | mwilson | abrotman: Uh, how is that factoid useless? :) |
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| 02:16.09 | abrotman | well .. !badger wasn't that bad :) |
| 02:16.19 | asg | abrotman: all I know is that useless factoids cause the following events: 1) dpkg's machines OOM killer was activated causing 2) caphuso's named to die instead of his NWN. (It's all I know and I'm sticking to the story) |
| 02:16.38 | abrotman | asg: so why not just put dpkg on another box? |
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| 02:16.58 | asg | abrotman: ;) |
| 02:17.11 | ctd | Nexus: kernel-source-version, build-essential and kernel-package |
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| 02:17.17 | abrotman | asg: if it didnt' use mysql .. i'd be inclined to set one up |
| 02:17.26 | ctd | Nexus: Install those |
| 02:17.38 | asg | abrotman: mysql is just fine for what dpkg's database does |
| 02:17.43 | asg | abrotman: or port it to postgresql |
| 02:17.44 | peterS | abrotman: alternatively, why not designate some human to be the source of witty, clever, repetitive sayings, so he can easily be +q'd when necessary, and leave the bot to supply actual useful technical information |
| 02:17.44 | ctd | Nexus: A tarball of the source will pop up in /usr/src |
| 02:17.58 | Nexus | ctd, What does kernel-package do? |
| 02:18.11 | peterS | Nexus: "apt-cache show kernel-package" knows |
| 02:18.14 | ctd | Nexus: Builds a .deb file of your kernel compile. |
| 02:18.17 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
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| 02:18.18 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 02:18.21 | abrotman | peterS: that would be you :) |
| 02:18.34 | peterS | abrotman: I say clever, witty, repetitive things? |
| 02:18.38 | abrotman | asg: hopefully it would be abstracted |
| 02:18.41 | Nexus | ctd, Hmm. Guess I don't know what a .deb package is! |
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| 02:18.45 | abrotman | peterS: sgeigerbot? |
| 02:18.48 | asg | peterS: you don't get +q'd often |
| 02:18.51 | peterS | abrotman: there ya go |
| 02:18.55 | ctd | Nexus: .deb is debian packages. |
| 02:18.58 | peterS | asg: true, it has only happened once in the past year |
| 02:19.02 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's mildy abstracted, since it uses DBI... however, it's not written as portably as it really should be. |
| 02:19.10 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: And you have to wonder why anyone would type all that gibberish rather than just building a kernel. Leave it to Debian to make things obscure. |
| 02:19.13 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i feared as much |
| 02:19.20 | asg | peterS: that must have been an odd interchange to cause that |
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| 02:19.29 | xuopk | Hi all |
| 02:19.33 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: you can still just "build a kernel" whatever that means... |
| 02:19.35 | peterS | asg: mentor needed to test the ircd flags, so I volunteered to be his victim |
| 02:19.38 | xuopk | I'm using fluxbox |
| 02:19.39 | asg | peterS: hahaha |
| 02:19.40 | initech | mwilson: it doesn't have to be all that :) |
| 02:19.45 | xuopk | I download and uncompres galeon theme in ~/.galeon/themes/Orion, what is the way for change theme? |
| 02:19.49 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Of course you can. I do it all the time. |
| 02:19.54 | xuopk | in galeon, i don't see 'change theme' option or similar |
| 02:19.56 | asg | peterS: throwing yourself on the turnbuckle of life |
| 02:19.59 | peterS | asg: I was like, so *this* is what +q feels like |
| 02:20.02 | xuopk | some ideas please' |
| 02:20.03 | xuopk | ? |
| 02:20.08 | asg | peterS: :) |
| 02:20.18 | mwilson | xuopk: What does the window manager have to do with it? |
| 02:20.19 | peterS | asg: then he took that off and applied a +b, and I parted / rejoined, and was *denied* rejoining. that was a new experience too |
| 02:20.25 | xuopk | mwilson: fluxbox |
| 02:20.29 | asg | peterS: eeek |
| 02:20.39 | mwilson | xuopk: Yes, you said that. What does that have to do with it? |
| 02:20.55 | xuopk | I download and uncompres galeon theme in ~/.galeon/themes/Orion, what is the way for change theme? |
| 02:21.01 | xuopk | change galeon theme |
| 02:21.03 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: although, since I personally like being able to trivially remove all traces of my kernel, I have a script that does the above. |
| 02:21.31 | mwilson | I thought Galeon was a Gnome-crap application. It has its own themes? |
| 02:21.42 | mwilson | Who'da thunk it. |
| 02:21.43 | asg | mwilson: and throbbers too |
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| 02:21.57 | peterS | xuopk: mwilson's point, which he is too high and mighty to state right out, is that the fluxbox, your window manager, has nothing to do with galeon themes |
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| 02:22.17 | xuopk | aps ;P |
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| 02:22.28 | mwilson | peterS: Not trying to make a point. Trying to get him to think, perhaps. |
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| 02:23.08 | dan2 | asg: I love ocaml :P |
| 02:23.10 | xuopk | peterS: i cannot chage theme no? |
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| 02:23.21 | peterS | xuopk: I thought you could in the galeon setup menus somewhere |
| 02:23.41 | xuopk | peterS: i don't see this option in galeon menus ;( |
| 02:24.10 | xuopk | really think that this option does not exist |
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| 02:24.42 | mwilson | xuopk: So people distribute themes, but there's no way to actually use them? The option must exist. |
| 02:25.00 | xuopk | xD |
| 02:25.00 | ximmm | where's the proper file to put the alsa module name for my soundcard? |
| 02:25.05 | peterS | mwilson: it's *possible* that galeon 1.2 supported themes but galeon 1.3 does not |
| 02:25.22 | xuopk | ahmm |
| 02:25.26 | peterS | mwilson: the themes he can download might be just for galeon 1.2. a lot of features were taken out of the 1.3 rewrite, not all were added back in |
| 02:25.40 | mwilson | Isn't Galeon 1.3 the non Gnome-crap version? |
| 02:25.41 | pipeline | christ, mwilson, do you ever get out of the right side of the bed? |
| 02:25.41 | belracu | /lib/modules/bla..bla |
| 02:25.44 | xuopk | ii galeon 1.3.15-2 GNOME web browser for advanced users |
| 02:25.48 | abrotman | mwilson: you wish |
| 02:25.50 | xuopk | i'm using this |
| 02:25.50 | tak_ | hello |
| 02:25.52 | abrotman | !depends galeon |
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| 02:25.55 | dpkg | galeon: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.6.0), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.6.2), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libeel2-2 (>= 2.6.2), libesd0 (>= 0.2.29-1) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.29-1), libgail-common (>= 1.6.6), libgail17 (>= 1.6.6), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.6.4), libgcrypt11, libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.3.6), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.4.6), libgnome-keyring0 (>= 0.2.1), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.6.1.1), libgnom |
| 02:25.55 | dpkg | , libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.4.4), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libjpeg62, libnautilus2-2 (>= 2.6.3), liborbit2 (>= 1:2.10.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.4.1), libpopt0 (>= 1.7), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libtasn1-2 (>= 0.2.8), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxml2 (>= 2.6.11), libxrender1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mozilla-browser (> |
| 02:25.57 | dpkg | procps, gconf2 (>= 1.1.8), scrollkeeper (>= 0.3.6), gnome-control-center (>= 1:2.2.0), galeon-common (= 1.3.17-2) |
| 02:25.58 | mwilson | Well, obviously it's not. |
| 02:26.00 | peterS | mwilson: galeon 1.3 was a rewrite for gtk 2.x - it has more gnomecrap than galeon 1.2 did |
| 02:26.02 | sussudio | ... |
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| 02:26.04 | abrotman | mwilson: lots of gnome eh? :) |
| 02:26.14 | mwilson | pipeline: Hm? |
| 02:26.25 | pipeline | peterS: I don't know that features were taken out of 1.3, but a lot of stuff was stripped from the preferences dialogues :| |
| 02:26.32 | pipeline | mwilson: You're always so snide. |
| 02:26.39 | peterS | some day ... gnome app dependencies are going to be responsible for getting debhelper to kick dpkg for flooding |
| 02:26.43 | abrotman | mwilson: you're snide .. are you going to cry now? |
| 02:26.44 | peterS | I hope to see it when it happens |
| 02:26.49 | Wyzard | hmm... does apt no longer honor "APT::Default-Release" in /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
| 02:26.53 | dondelelcaro | peterS: heh. |
| 02:27.07 | tak_ | i have this debian box at home... would it be possible to connect to it, and have the computer virtually become a member of that network rather than the network im using to connect to the debian box? |
| 02:27.08 | peterS | pipeline: I consider preference options to be features |
| 02:27.36 | pipeline | peterS: Yeah, it ticked me off too. I'm not sure why they would just strip the preferences out and leave the features available. |
| 02:27.40 | Wyzard | tak_: openvpn |
| 02:27.57 | pipeline | peterS: On that note, you wouldn't happen to know why epiphany exists at all? |
| 02:28.17 | xuopk | thx for all |
| 02:28.17 | asg | dan2: no other potential languages on the horizon then? |
| 02:28.23 | peterS | pipeline: epiphany is a fork - not a code fork, necessarily, but a parting of the ways. the original galeon developer didn't like what the other galeon developers wanted to do to galeon |
| 02:28.37 | mwilson | pipeline: Because the God-King decreed that he knew better than everyone else how their computers should be used, and therefore most options were hidden away where normal people wouldn't see them, and therefore change them. |
| 02:28.40 | sussudio | !do galeon |
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| 02:30.17 | mwilson | pipeline: Ask WauWau... they'll point you to the writings of their God. |
| 02:30.33 | belracu | i need some help in VGA initialization |
| 02:30.47 | peterS | belracu: what about it? |
| 02:30.53 | giant-robot | can anyone tell me why the 2.6.7 2.6.8 kernels don't compule because of some binutils thing... it says I need to update binutils, but my binutils is doing just fine, version-wise |
| 02:31.17 | peterS | giant-robot: well, newer kernels quite often need newer binutils. what version of binutils have you got? |
| 02:31.20 | belracu | i have a MIPS board and have problms initializing a normal PCI vga card |
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| 02:31.24 | abrotman | giant-robot: which version of debian? |
| 02:31.32 | pipeline | peterS: Sad, then. Galeon seems to be superior at the moment. |
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| 02:31.46 | giant-robot | I'm using sid, and binutils is up to date on that one |
| 02:31.49 | tak_ | dpkg, openvpn ? |
| 02:31.51 | dpkg | tak_: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:31.57 | asg | tak_: openvpn.org |
| 02:31.58 | peterS | belracu: hmmm. that can be a problem, since a typical VGA card is initialised by its onboard BIOS, which runs on an x86 CPU (real or emulated) |
| 02:32.02 | tak_ | is there a openvpn debian package? |
| 02:32.11 | asg | tak_: apt-cache search openvpn |
| 02:32.17 | tak_ | tried that |
| 02:32.21 | peterS | belracu: this is why you have to buy a different edition of a VGA card if you want it for a Macintosh |
| 02:32.28 | tak_ | got nothing (woddy/stable) |
| 02:32.28 | asg | tak_: woody? |
| 02:32.37 | bhartshorn | whats the command to setup a new service in debian like having vsftpd start at boot? |
| 02:32.38 | belracu | peterS, true but i tried x86emu ... but failed to build a emulators |
| 02:33.00 | tak_ | asg: yeah ill try compiling from source then. |
| 02:33.02 | krishna | bhartshorn -- I remeber this ... |
| 02:33.02 | peterS | belracu: you're way beyond what I know about the field, then. I know you *can* run an x86 emulator and init a VGA card that way, but I know nothing about the details |
| 02:33.03 | asg | tak_: there might be a backport |
| 02:33.04 | mwilson | bhartshorn: The vsftpd package is perfectly capable of setting up things like that on its own. |
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| 02:33.20 | Wyzard | pipeline: My main complaint against Epiphany is that it doesn't support hierarchial bookmarks... you can't put folders inside folders |
| 02:33.26 | pipeline | belracu: What you're trying to do should indeed work. |
| 02:33.34 | Wyzard | pipeline: I think that might have changed in the GNOME 2.8 version of Epiphany though |
| 02:33.37 | giant-robot | an idea: people are so used to touting google's infallability that they never seem to notice that it sucks for finding good documentation |
| 02:33.38 | bhartshorn | mwilson, i did an apt-get install vsftpd, but its not started. |
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| 02:33.52 | FieldySnuts | giant-robot: funny, I have no problem. user error. |
| 02:33.55 | pipeline | Wyzard: My main complaint about epiphany is that its tabs aren't nearly as nice as Galeon's. Also, it feels dreadfully slow for reasons I do not understand. |
| 02:33.58 | dan2 | asg: not a chance |
| 02:33.59 | asg | bhartshorn: are you using woody? |
| 02:33.59 | smj | What do you guys use for client side SPAM elimination? |
| 02:34.00 | thomas_adam | "I want to sit on your X desktop. Can I, please?" |
| 02:34.01 | asg | dan2: :) |
| 02:34.02 | dan2 | asg: ocaml is the end |
| 02:34.05 | belracu | peterS, thats fine .. but there has to be some general solution that has to be worked out to get the vga cards working in non x86 systems ... i googled for last one month but no help |
| 02:34.19 | Wyzard | pipeline: The tabbing is pretty much the same as far as I can tell... |
| 02:34.20 | bhartshorn | asg, Sarge |
| 02:34.22 | asg | smj: spamassassin |
| 02:34.25 | mwilson | Ugh, tabs. |
| 02:34.29 | dan2 | asg: its a decent functional language with imperative and OO features |
| 02:34.31 | giant-robot | for example, if I want to figure out how to configure my airport card, I type "configure airport linux how" and within the first 10 entries there was some comment about a guy having to check his laptop at the airport security check |
| 02:34.33 | krishna | is spamassassin a client-side solution? |
| 02:34.37 | smj | asg: I thought that was server side. |
| 02:34.42 | dan2 | asg: functional == good |
| 02:34.51 | Wyzard | mwilson: Tabs too? Are you against *everything* that others find pleasant and convenient? |
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| 02:35.00 | dan2 | asg: in most cases I have found functional to mean "think more about the solution" vs. "how to implement it" |
| 02:35.05 | giant-robot | is there a better website than google for finding documentation? |
| 02:35.07 | mwilson | Wyzard: Hardly. |
| 02:35.15 | belracu | the Only way to make a vga card working on non x86 systems is to replace the vga bios on the board ... with the one arch used on that board |
| 02:35.20 | Wyzard | mwilson: Seems like it sometimes... |
| 02:35.23 | pipeline | Wyzard: In epiphany, the tab bar is always at the top. It doesn't change the colors of text when it loads/finishes loading. Tabs are inserted in weird places. |
| 02:35.28 | asg | smj: it can be driven by procmail clientside as well |
| 02:35.51 | mwilson | Wyzard: I happen to think tabs are an incredibly stupid idea, yes, but I see web browsing as a chore rather than idle entertainment, too. |
| 02:35.57 | dan2 | asg: its the ultimate solution |
| 02:36.00 | asg | bhartshorn: does /etc/init.d/vsftpd start not work |
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| 02:36.18 | dan2 | asg: and from the looks of it, it made mldonkey a success |
| 02:36.19 | mwilson | Wyzard: Run browser, get what you want, exit browser... wtf are tabs good for? |
| 02:36.40 | JasonBox | Anyone have "Entering ENHANCED idle mode" working with the latest Courier-IMAP packages? I enabled enhanced idle and restarted the daemon, but no joy... |
| 02:36.56 | Wyzard | mwilson: I often refer to documentation on the web, and it's useful to leave several pages open so I can refer to them quickly later |
| 02:37.03 | peterS | ENHANCED idle mode? I need that mode for my daily life |
| 02:37.15 | JasonBox | peterS: ;) |
| 02:37.15 | dan2 | asg: ocaml performance is decent as well |
| 02:37.23 | peterS | I'd love to be more sophisticated in my practice of idleness |
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| 02:37.27 | dan2 | asg: about at the C/C++ level |
| 02:37.30 | Roey | oh my god |
| 02:37.32 | asg | dan2: cool, glad you've found something that works for you. |
| 02:37.32 | Roey | 750 people. |
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| 02:37.35 | Roey | this is a freak show. |
| 02:37.37 | pipeline | belracu: Hmm, getting hits on google for something called "freebiosvga" -- apparently some kind of x86 emulator that runs a VGA BIOS to get at least a text console on MIPS linx |
| 02:37.39 | mwilson | Wyzard: While if that's important to me, I download said documentation to my own machine. |
| 02:37.39 | Wyzard | mwilson: You don't just open a manual, read the whole thing, and then close the window and never return to it |
| 02:37.49 | Roey | it's like flies hanging out on the ceiling, not moving. |
| 02:37.52 | JasonBox | asg: It uses famd to notify clients of changes to Maildirs immediately |
| 02:37.53 | Wyzard | mwilson: How do you view it once it's on your machine? |
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| 02:38.00 | mwilson | Wyzard: I read manuals all the time. |
| 02:38.05 | dan2 | asg: next project -- a sieve implementation in ocaml |
| 02:38.05 | peterS | asg: what he doesn't tell you is that in one sample app, I beat his ocaml program with a C program by a factor of about 10x in speed |
| 02:38.15 | Roey | JasonBox: oh |
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| 02:38.22 | mwilson | Ugh, the author of FAM should be shot. |
| 02:38.23 | dan2 | peterS: that was haskell |
| 02:38.30 | peterS | dan2: oh yeah. so it was |
| 02:38.32 | dan2 | peterS: the ocaml edition doesn't perform as badly |
| 02:38.32 | krishna | yeah but 'unison' is written using ocaml |
| 02:38.32 | asg | peterS: true |
| 02:38.33 | JasonBox | mwilson: cool -- Why? |
| 02:38.41 | bob2 | unison is pretty pimp |
| 02:38.44 | dan2 | peterS: ocaml was about half the time the haskell version took |
| 02:38.46 | krishna | and unison makes installing ocaml worth it for me :-) |
| 02:39.01 | mwilson | JasonBox: It's a stupid idea. The last thing the world needs is YAD (yet another daemon). |
| 02:39.17 | mwilson | JasonBox: Especially another RPC service. |
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| 02:39.23 | JasonBox | mwilson: afaict it's only necessary if you want fam working across NFS anyway |
| 02:39.24 | bob2 | yeah |
| 02:39.25 | xuser | is there an auto generate menu for gnome? |
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| 02:39.34 | bob2 | FAM should tunnel over HTTP like everything else |
| 02:39.36 | bob2 | using SOAP. |
| 02:39.42 | peterS | xuser: apt-get install menu |
| 02:39.46 | bob2 | xuser: are you using Debian? |
| 02:39.50 | peterS | xuser: if you have 'menu', that's all you're gonna get |
| 02:39.56 | Wyzard | bob2: eww... |
| 02:40.01 | mwilson | JasonBox: Unless FAM has been completely redesigned, it needs RPC even on the local machine. |
| 02:40.05 | plangent | UPDATE: This just in. Windows still sucks. That is all. |
| 02:40.15 | polok | plangent: ta for that |
| 02:40.16 | peterS | Wyzard: the question is, is that more ewww or less ewww than being ONC RPC? |
| 02:40.17 | mwilson | Wyzard: I read it with less, of course. |
| 02:40.26 | dan2 | peterS: yet, in both cases it shows the true losses of garbage collection |
| 02:40.29 | asg | plangent: I can't look out at my herbs without windows |
| 02:40.33 | peterS | Wyzard: I'd say more ewwww, but some people have a rabid hatred for ONC RPC |
| 02:40.47 | bhartshorn | asg, "/etc/init.d/vsftpd start" works, but shouldn't i need to add this line to one of my system startup scripts so that is always starts, if so which script? |
| 02:41.00 | xuser | bob2: yeah |
| 02:41.03 | mwilson | bhartshorn: No, you shouldn't. |
| 02:41.06 | xuser | peterS: k |
| 02:41.06 | peterS | Wyzard: apparently being forced to run a web server is better than being forced to run a portmapper, in some circles |
| 02:41.10 | asg | bhartshorn: it should have been taken care of by the deb's postinst script |
| 02:41.14 | krishna | yup |
| 02:41.18 | asg | bhartshorn: if not, man update-rc.d (and file a bug) |
| 02:41.21 | tak_ | how come I don't have a /dev/net file? |
| 02:41.27 | bhartshorn | mwilson, asg, cool thanks. |
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| 02:41.32 | peterS | tak_: what did you think /dev/net would do for you? |
| 02:41.39 | Wyzard | mwilson: So you have no use for hyperlinks to other sections in the documentation, or any sort of text formatting besides spacing? |
| 02:41.44 | mwilson | tak_: Are you supposed to? |
| 02:41.46 | tak_ | openvpn requires me to do: "mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200" but it says: mknod: '/dev/net/tun': No such file or directory |
| 02:41.52 | tak_ | mwilson: I don't know. |
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| 02:42.09 | peterS | tak_: oh, that. 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV tun' |
| 02:42.15 | Roey | oh helllllllo |
| 02:42.19 | Roey | openvpn IN THE HOUSE |
| 02:42.21 | Roey | s/THE/DA |
| 02:42.25 | asg | oh ffs |
| 02:42.30 | peterS | tak_: you should never need to mknod something by hand. if MAKEDEV doesn't support it, file a bug |
| 02:42.31 | bob2 | tinc is where it's at |
| 02:42.33 | JasonBox | mwilson: You are correct -- I did not have fam running, so courier-imap defaulted to regular idle mode |
| 02:42.40 | dan2 | bob2: openvpn is diesel |
| 02:42.42 | peterS | bob2: well, tinc needs /dev/net/tun too (: |
| 02:42.47 | JasonBox | mwilson: I don't really want fam, so I think I'm going to uninstall it now ;) |
| 02:42.51 | Roey | tak_: I've just set up an openvpn server with winxp clients. |
| 02:42.52 | mwilson | What idiot would make an imapd depend on FAM? |
| 02:42.54 | abrotman | asg: turn off the idiot box!! |
| 02:42.55 | dan2 | bob2: very clean, but burns with a terrible odor ;) |
| 02:42.55 | Wyzard | I just installed openvpn earlier today and debconf offered to creat that tun device for me |
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| 02:43.08 | asg | abrotman: I'm unable to turn of Roey |
| 02:43.08 | tak_ | Roey: thats what im trying to do can u help me? |
| 02:43.09 | JasonBox | mwilson: It doesn't require it; It just makes use of it if you have the fam daemon running |
| 02:43.15 | Roey | tak_: the only showstopper problem for us is that openvpn client needs administrator privs to be run manually |
| 02:43.21 | abrotman | asg: oh well |
| 02:43.22 | unique3111 | i need a game that's like blasterball for debian, any suggestions? |
| 02:43.23 | Roey | tak_ sure |
| 02:43.29 | aida-night | can someone recommend a very versatile and flexible iptables firewall/NAT script for 2.6.x kernel? |
| 02:43.31 | Roey | asg: hmm? |
| 02:43.38 | bob2 | dan2: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/linux_vpn.txt |
| 02:43.43 | JasonBox | aida-night: I ilke gShield |
| 02:43.49 | dan2 | aida-night: shorewall is decent |
| 02:43.56 | tak_ | Roey: i can't mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200, it says: mknod: '/dev/net/tun': No such file or directory |
| 02:43.56 | aida-night | dan2: shorewall is a mess |
| 02:43.58 | o-o | what does one have to do in X to allow remote session aside from xhost + |
| 02:44.06 | peterS | tak_: I told you what to do already |
| 02:44.06 | Wyzard | aida-night: FireHOL is the easiest to configure -- the config file is very readable and very maintainable |
| 02:44.08 | Roey | tak_: heh ok I got that once. so you mkdir /dev/net |
| 02:44.13 | tak_ | okay |
| 02:44.16 | Wyzard | aida-night: Shorewall is probably the most powerful |
| 02:44.16 | aida-night | if you give killerwall or ip-kungfu you will see whY i think shorewall is a mess |
| 02:44.16 | asg | night all |
| 02:44.19 | unique3111 | i need a game that's like blasterball for debian, any suggestions? |
| 02:44.20 | peterS | tak_: maybe I should repeat myself |
| 02:44.20 | Roey | tak_: you can't make it becuase /dev/net needs to be mkdir'd. |
| 02:44.24 | peterS | tak_: cd /dev; MAKEDEV tun |
| 02:44.29 | Wyzard | o-o: Use SSH with its "-X" option |
| 02:44.39 | tak_ | peterS: i tried that, i got "/svin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device 'tun' |
| 02:44.40 | peterS | Roey: bah, nobody should have to mknod. MAKEDEV is where it's at |
| 02:44.43 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, my experience has been that usually whoever creates the hyperlinks is a moron, and I can find what I want faster with a straight text search. It's like what people laughably call the "index" in the back of the textbook... people creating hyperlinks are about as competent. And no, I'm usually not interested in some idiot's idea of nifty text formatting, either. |
| 02:44.44 | abrotman | wtf is blasterball? unique3111 ? |
| 02:44.46 | ximmm | how apt-get and aptitude manage suggested and recommanded packages? |
| 02:44.47 | aida-night | thanks guys |
| 02:44.47 | tak_ | Roey: that worked thanks :) |
| 02:44.51 | Roey | peterS: the guide I saw asks you to make it in /dev/net -- oh I see...ok |
| 02:44.59 | aida-night | Wyzard, does shorewall have a gui frontend?? or gui alerter? |
| 02:45.07 | unique3111 | the game, with the little ball you shoot at the bricks. |
| 02:45.10 | Wyzard | mwilson: You think indexes in books are worthless too? |
| 02:45.13 | o-o | Wyzard: its for a game so interactive performance is kind of important. This used to work out of the box. |
| 02:45.17 | Roey | peterS: this administrator privs issue is a problem for us at work because we can't have employees with admin access to their local laptops |
| 02:45.17 | krishna | oh , unique, like 'breakout'? |
| 02:45.18 | o-o | someone made it more secure... |
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| 02:45.20 | unique3111 | yeah |
| 02:45.22 | peterS | tak_: strange. it certainly should have worked |
| 02:45.25 | Wyzard | mwilson: No wonder you're such a grouch... you must do everything the most primitive way imaginable |
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| 02:45.31 | tak_ | peterS: im using woody |
| 02:45.34 | mwilson | Wyzard: No. I don't think indexes are worthless. I think the morons who claim to be able to create them are. |
| 02:45.37 | unique3111 | yeah exactly like breakout |
| 02:45.43 | Wyzard | aida-night: There might be frontends for shorewall, but I don't know of any |
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| 02:45.52 | krishna | apt-cache search breakout |
| 02:45.53 | Wyzard | aida-night: What do you mean by an "alerter" ? |
| 02:45.56 | krishna | you get a couple choices |
| 02:46.01 | unique3111 | they have it for debian? |
| 02:46.01 | mwilson | Wyzard: Surely you've noticed how poor they usually are these days. |
| 02:46.08 | dan2 | asg: practice at football was fun today, tho the mud was nasty |
| 02:46.11 | abrotman | unique3111: apt-cache search breakout |
| 02:46.15 | unique3111 | cool |
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| 02:46.19 | peterS | tak_: ahh. possibly MAKEDEV on woody didn't support that. oh well, as long as you got it to work with mkdir and mknod. |
| 02:46.19 | thomas_adam | lbreakout2 |
| 02:46.21 | dan2 | asg: I had to wash my game pants three times to get all the mud out |
| 02:46.28 | tak_ | peterS: yeah, thx man |
| 02:46.29 | sjtu | How to insert eps file in openoffice exported by gnuplot, it can't be shown? |
| 02:46.34 | tak_ | Roey: what do i need on the Windows XP side? |
| 02:46.38 | aida-night | Wyzard, such ass "Firestarter" .. gui fronend with log of attacks etc that integrates to various DE |
| 02:46.43 | Wyzard | mwilson: No, actually, I usually find them pretty helpful |
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| 02:46.50 | Roey | tak_: nothing like that on the windows side |
| 02:47.18 | Roey | tak_: make sure you do insert those statements like mssfix and mtu-min and all that good stuff from the openvpn notes for windows xp |
| 02:47.27 | pshaggy | to change a partition from ext2 to vfat, what must I do other than change fstab/mtab? |
| 02:47.47 | Roey | tak_: tomorrow (10:00 EST) I can mail you my configuration |
| 02:47.50 | jetscreamer | cfdisk or something to change the partition type |
| 02:47.50 | Wyzard | aida-night: You could probably just use firestarter's alerter |
| 02:47.58 | peterS | pshaggy: mkdosfs -F32 /dev/whatever |
| 02:48.03 | Roey | tak_: is your nick from Invader Zim? |
| 02:48.08 | mwilson | Wyzard: 9 times out of 10 I can find what I want faster with a quick grep of a keyword than clicky-clicky and hope the moron creating the HTML thought it was important. |
| 02:48.10 | tak_ | Roey: what notes? |
| 02:48.11 | jetscreamer | then mkvfat or mkfs.vfat or something |
| 02:48.14 | peterS | pshaggy: warning, you just lost all the data on that filesystem |
| 02:48.17 | gumpish | "One or more packages failed to install." <-- this doesn't exactly instill a whole hell of a lot of confidence... |
| 02:48.20 | tak_ | Roey: my nick is tak_ my email is tak@thorie.com |
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| 02:48.27 | abrotman | spam! |
| 02:48.33 | tak_ | no tak is my real name |
| 02:48.34 | Wyzard | aida-night: Programs like Shorewall and FireHOL don't actually do any firewalling themselves; they read a human-readable config file and generate rules to configure the kernel's built-in iptables facility |
| 02:48.34 | peterS | jetscreamer: it's mkdosfs from dosfstools, and you normally want to invoke it with -F32 to get fat32 |
| 02:48.35 | Roey | tak_: http://openvpn.sourceforge.net/INSTALL-win32.html |
| 02:48.43 | Roey | tak_: where form? |
| 02:48.43 | tak_ | su |
| 02:48.45 | pshaggy | peterS, already moved it :) |
| 02:48.48 | Roey | tak_: ? |
| 02:48.50 | tak_ | San jose, california |
| 02:48.51 | Wyzard | aida-night: So once the firewall is in place, it doesn't matter what package set it up |
| 02:48.55 | jetscreamer | ahh ^^ pshaggy what peterS said |
| 02:48.55 | Roey | tak_: aaah :) |
| 02:48.56 | aida-night | Wyzard, that's true :) |
| 02:49.01 | tak_ | sorry i su'ed the wrong window |
| 02:49.07 | pshaggy | don't warnings typically come first? :) |
| 02:49.19 | tak_ | make install'ing openvpn on my debian box now |
| 02:49.23 | aida-night | Wyzard, which firewall do you use yourself?? if any |
| 02:49.32 | peterS | pshaggy: also, if it is in /etc/mtab, that means you probably still have the fs mounted. unmount it. you shouldn't have to edit mtab *ever*. just edit fstab. |
| 02:49.41 | jetscreamer | pshaggy when i think you're an idiot ok? :) |
| 02:49.44 | nvz | muh damn NEC MultiSync 6fg flashes from its normal white to a like dark yellowish color every now and again. I think I need a new VGA cable on it :-/ |
| 02:49.48 | Wyzard | aida-night: FireHOL on my desktop system; Shorewall on my router (which runs stable and therefore doesn't have FireHOL available) |
| 02:50.10 | aida-night | thanks |
| 02:50.11 | peterS | nvz: dark yellowish? sounds like your blue wire is dodgy |
| 02:50.15 | aida-night | I think I'll try both |
| 02:50.18 | mwilson | nvz: My monitor at work is doing that. I've replaced the monitor, and the video card. |
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| 02:50.25 | peterS | nvz: vga cables have separate red, blue and green wires |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | nvz: mwilson .. yes you do |
| 02:50.47 | abrotman | nvz: i had one where the blue would take over :) |
| 02:50.48 | jetscreamer | nvz i have some 4fge's that went all blue on me recently |
| 02:50.49 | mwilson | abrotman: yes, I do... what? |
| 02:50.54 | abrotman | mwilson: new cable :) |
| 02:50.55 | unique3111 | hey guys, i used that synaptic to install packages, but everytime i use it it doesn't add what i just install to the all applicatiosn list. |
| 02:50.58 | nvz | mwilson: well these monitors have like 3 different styles of input on the back, I am using a cable for vga, and it works when you hold up on the end going to the PC |
| 02:51.08 | unique3111 | i have to run it in the command or console. |
| 02:51.15 | mwilson | abrotman: Uh, the cable is integrated into the monitor. |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | mwilson: so? |
| 02:51.21 | unique3111 | ami doing something wrong. |
| 02:51.22 | jetscreamer | unique3111, do you mean the like start button/menu list? |
| 02:51.27 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, you've definetly got a dead cable or bad connector on the video card |
| 02:51.28 | unique3111 | yeah |
| 02:51.34 | nvz | jetscreamer: yeah in theory I should be able to get the cable changed on this one since it doesnt have one built into the board |
| 02:51.36 | mwilson | abrotman: So why are you telling me I've not replaced the cable? |
| 02:51.49 | abrotman | mwilson: i didn't say you hadn't |
| 02:51.50 | unique3111 | yeah jetscreamer |
| 02:52.07 | sime | if a home directory is in /etc/exports, its considered the same as any other directory ? because i get permission denied when I ls |
| 02:52.09 | abrotman | mwilson: you said you had similiar issues as nvz .. i had the same . replaced the monitor cable .. problem gone |
| 02:52.12 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well it happens only on that monitor connected to anything, my laptop or whatever, I assume the cable is going bad |
| 02:52.19 | jetscreamer | unique3111, try update-menus as root... but not all things will show up in like the gnome/kde portions, but most do show up under the debian portion |
| 02:52.19 | Roey | tak_: I'm going off this channel; I'm also on #openvpn |
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| 02:52.30 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, probably cable... that's usually the cheapest thing to replace anyway. |
| 02:52.30 | unique3111 | cool |
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| 02:52.59 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah and like I said this Multisync 6fg has removable cables, so I should be able to get one somewhere |
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| 02:53.07 | jetscreamer | damn i jus ttossed the monitors |
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| 02:53.33 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I got the monitor for free, business threw it out. Only thing wrong with it is if I dont keep it at 1024x768 or higher it gets the shakes sometimes |
| 02:53.34 | dondelelcaro | nvz: any competent computer place should have them... they're like $2-$5 or so for the cheapies, maybe $15 for high quality. |
| 02:53.40 | jetscreamer | they were still crisp, too, before they went blue.. i jus tfigured the guns were fuxored |
| 02:53.50 | nvz | dondelelcaro: its not hard to keep a 20" tube at 1024x768 or higher ;) |
| 02:54.07 | dondelelcaro | nvz: heh. |
| 02:54.49 | nvz | dondelelcaro: since my current setup has it sitting next to the tv across the room, I often bare with the shakes at 800x600 just to see things a little bigger |
| 02:55.25 | dondelelcaro | nvz: icky. I can't operate unless the monitor is less than a yard from my eyeballs... |
| 02:56.32 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well its a 20" and its only about 4 ft away from the couch, I solved a bunch of problems by putting the couch 2ft in front of the window, allowing me to get back there and open the curtain, but not let too much light or the whole neighborhood see in, and it gets me closer to the screen. |
| 02:56.47 | nvz | I got my Vaio sitting right here next to the couch which I am using right now too |
| 02:56.50 | ximmm | does unstable provides xorg? |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 02:56.57 | dpkg | from memory, xorg is an alternative X implementation (a fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from the X.Org Foundation - the current release is X11R6.8. It will not be packaged for Debian until after the Sarge release. At that time, Debian will probably go with the new modular packages of X.org, if it is ready, or the monolithic release if not. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040712.051027.74293658.html for more information . |
| 02:56.57 | ctd | ximmm: Not yet. |
| 02:57.03 | abrotman | !topicsmite ximmm |
| 02:57.04 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ximmm. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:57.04 | ximmm | thanks |
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| 02:58.38 | ctd | abrotman: Sorry, but could you please use the "dpkg: tell person about topic" |
| 02:58.59 | nvz | dondelelcaro: the monitor is so large, occupying 21"x21"x21" of space and weighing at least 85lbs, I put a "monitor shelf" I bought on top and have a bose radio up there and stuff. The other day I had ice water sitting on top and got her a little wet from condensation, had to leave her upside down for a while unplugged to drip and dry. |
| 02:59.00 | peterS | ximmm: the X maintainers were talking on another irc channel just last night about how to organise the x.org effort. so it's definitely something they're working on |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | ctd: no |
| 02:59.43 | abrotman | peterS: #freedesktop? |
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| 02:59.51 | dondelelcaro | nvz: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/don_lab/015_lab_desk_10232003.jpg |
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| 02:59.56 | nvz | Water on the coils that control the angle of the beam really intensifies those shakes, boy I'll tell you what. |
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| 03:00.25 | polok | nvz: 85lbs!?? |
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| 03:00.45 | polok | nvz: if my kilogrammes to pounds conversion is correct, that's ALMOST as heavy as me |
| 03:00.46 | dondelelcaro | nvz: those are lighter than yours, but probably slightly bigger... |
| 03:00.56 | xuser | can you edit the panel menu bar from gnome? |
| 03:01.12 | tak_ | i pasted the iptables configuration on the website, and it killed my internet connection |
| 03:01.12 | tak_ | anyone know what I need to change on the iptables config for it to work? |
| 03:01.13 | dondelelcaro | polok: unless you're 4 foot something, they're not as heavy as you. |
| 03:01.16 | nvz | dondelelcaro: viewable bigger maybe, but those are new, this is old and huge |
| 03:01.35 | dondelelcaro | nvz: they're 22" monitors... about 21" cubes... |
| 03:01.42 | ocran | nvz: I bet my sun monitor weighs more ;p I could hardly get the bastard to the third floor! |
| 03:01.55 | polok | dondelelcaro: I'm 173cms |
| 03:02.03 | nvz | ocran: I used to have some old Apollo workstations that had bigger monitors than this one |
| 03:02.34 | ocran | nvz I would like to get a flat screen, but you can't write on them! |
| 03:02.44 | dondelelcaro | polok: that's about 5.7 feet. What's your weight in kg? |
| 03:02.49 | polok | dondelelcaro: I'm 90.38 pounds |
| 03:02.55 | polok | dondelelcaro: 41kgs |
| 03:03.15 | dondelelcaro | ick. that can't be healthy... |
| 03:03.44 | sussudio | polok: GET IN MAH BELLY! |
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| 03:04.10 | mick_laptop | anyone know if FOP is apt-getable? |
| 03:04.13 | mick_laptop | http://xml.apache.org/fop/ |
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| 03:04.23 | mick_laptop | i see Xerces-J is |
| 03:04.52 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: probably not, since it looks like it's written in java. |
| 03:04.54 | polok | dondelelcaro: told you it was almost as heavy as I am :P |
| 03:05.07 | mick_laptop | why not? |
| 03:05.07 | Kvant | mick_laptop, xml to pdf translator? it's in unstable |
| 03:05.12 | mick_laptop | Xerces-J is |
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| 03:05.17 | polok | dondelelcaro: and no, it's not, I need to gain 9 kilos to no longer be "dangerously" underweight :P |
| 03:05.18 | mick_laptop | i'm also looking for http://xml.apache.org/xalan-j/ |
| 03:05.26 | nvz | ocran: heh |
| 03:05.41 | mick_laptop | apt-cache shows a few things but none really seem right |
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| 03:06.06 | dondelelcaro | polok: yeah, I just didn't believe you, because that isn't a healthy weight. |
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| 03:06.12 | kuox | Hi all |
| 03:06.13 | kuox | what is the way for have color in man pages? |
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| 03:07.42 | dondelelcaro | polok: I see lots of MetRx and milk shakes in your future. |
| 03:07.58 | HydroSan | So I press tab in BASH: "Display all 1337 possibilities? (y or n)" |
| 03:08.04 | sussudio | BEEFCAKE! |
| 03:08.09 | polok | hahahaha |
| 03:08.13 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: BEEEEEFFFFFFFFFFCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! |
| 03:08.25 | sussudio | are you a 90 pound weakling? |
| 03:08.25 | kuox | no ideas anyone? |
| 03:08.27 | polok | I've been forced to pick up a sport to expand my appetite |
| 03:08.29 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 03:08.29 | Xenguy | HydroSan: yes? =) |
| 03:08.30 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of herring, a little sauerkraut, and 42 sex-crazed goats. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 03:08.40 | dondelelcaro | polok: well, you're almost the right build for walking. |
| 03:08.48 | dondelelcaro | polok: or long distance cross country... |
| 03:08.48 | polok | dondelelcaro: I do kendo! |
| 03:09.05 | dan2 | hmm |
| 03:09.05 | kuox | sussudio: yo have a idea please? |
| 03:09.06 | kuox | ;P |
| 03:09.08 | kuox | what is the way for have color in man pages? |
| 03:09.23 | dan2 | it takes a ridiculously long amount of time to loop a belt through a beltloopless pants |
| 03:09.37 | dan2 | (two holes one on each side, push through back) |
| 03:09.42 | dan2 | long time |
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| 03:09.42 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:09.52 | xixor | dan2 : sounds like a logistical nightmare |
| 03:09.55 | polok | sussudio: "follow your dreams, you can acheive your goals, I'm living proof. Beefcake! BEEFCAKE!" |
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| 03:10.12 | kuox | this feature does not exist in debian? |
| 03:10.15 | Xenguy | dan2: yes - Einstein refused to wear button-up sweaters for the same reason ;-) |
| 03:10.25 | tak_ | Hello... do I need to set up iptables in order to use openvpn? |
| 03:10.33 | kinema | how do i keep apt-get from upgrading a package to a newer (broken) version? |
| 03:10.40 | dondelelcaro | kuox: depends on what your term is set to, and how it renders bold. |
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| 03:10.57 | mick_laptop | kinema: apt-listbugs |
| 03:11.05 | initech | kinema: hold it with aptitude or dpkg --set-selections |
| 03:11.12 | kuox | dondelelcaro: i have, xterm-color, does not work whith this term? |
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| 03:11.34 | jono | I just compiled a kernel and there seems to be no initrd in /boot - is that normal for a PPC linux kernel? |
| 03:11.37 | dondelelcaro | kuox: that'll just render the manpage as bold, which is frankly, the only sane way to do it. |
| 03:11.42 | initech | kuox: man pages have only bold, no color, pretty sure |
| 03:11.49 | nvz | ok I got scsi_mod and sd_mod installed on the box with the 6-1 reader, do I need sg or anything else to mount the cards? |
| 03:11.50 | kinema | mick_laptop: how is that going to help? i know apt-proxy in sid is borked and so does everyone else. |
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| 03:11.58 | kuox | initech: openbsd have a funny blue color |
| 03:12.02 | kuox | in man pages |
| 03:12.02 | kvn | initrd does not get made by compiling the kernel. |
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| 03:12.16 | nuix | hello |
| 03:12.20 | mick_laptop | listbugs will stop any upgrade if there is a bug filed |
| 03:12.31 | Xenguy | kuox: you need to uninstall OBSD right away, and install debian in its place! =) |
| 03:12.32 | jakeb | so what exactly is discover1 supposed to do? it seems to be loading oss drivers for my soundcard... not good |
| 03:12.33 | mick_laptop | it will ask you if you want to upgrade |
| 03:12.41 | initech | kinema: dpkg --get-selections > selections; edit and mark package "hold", dpkg --set-selections < selections |
| 03:12.56 | kuox | Xenguy: eh eh, i run in debian box now :D |
| 03:13.08 | kinema | initech: thanks |
| 03:13.11 | Xenguy | kuox: then no blue for you =) |
| 03:13.12 | dondelelcaro | kuox: that's probably because they're using blue instead of bold. |
| 03:13.16 | kuox | Xenguy: jajaja |
| 03:13.30 | kuox | this feature is possible change? |
| 03:13.33 | kuox | or not? |
| 03:13.33 | kuox | :D |
| 03:13.46 | dondelelcaro | kuox: yes, you just have to set colorBDMode to true. man xterm; |
| 03:13.48 | initech | kuox: and a different term type as well |
| 03:13.53 | tcsetattr | man pages have bold and underline. You can map underline to a color in xterm by using the +ulc option |
| 03:14.07 | dondelelcaro | or +bdc... |
| 03:14.20 | kuox | ahmm |
| 03:14.26 | nuix | who knows how to change the font size of table in latex |
| 03:14.42 | nuix | help |
| 03:14.52 | dondelelcaro | nuix: uh, specify the fontsize using \footnotesize or whatever. |
| 03:15.07 | Xenguy | nuix: yeah, tables in latex kinda suck a bit |
| 03:15.13 | sussudio | nuix: you're not using debian |
| 03:15.22 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: nah, they work fairly well... |
| 03:15.24 | nuix | i use debian |
| 03:15.27 | kvn | Isn't all of that typesetting stuff really not supposed to be touched by the latex user? |
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| 03:15.40 | steve | howdy- i gotz a question |
| 03:15.49 | kvn | It assumes that you like their defaults of course (which I usually do.) |
| 03:15.50 | dondelelcaro | kvn: sometimes you need to munge it... but ideally, you shouldn't change it. |
| 03:16.02 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: honestly, I find it too complicated (not impossible mind you - just more complicated than it should be) |
| 03:16.08 | nuix | dondelelcaro, i have tried that, but it donot function |
| 03:16.12 | steve | i tried to keep a mixed system- but i accidentally upgraded everything to sid |
| 03:16.13 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: for the most part, it really is simple... |
| 03:16.18 | dondelelcaro | nuix: uh, you're not doing it right then. |
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| 03:16.21 | sussudio | !laph at steve |
| 03:16.22 | dondelelcaro | nuix: join #flood |
| 03:16.23 | dpkg | HA! HA! HAAA! steve just quacks me up! |
| 03:16.23 | steve | is there anyway to move it back to sarge? |
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| 03:16.28 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: easier said then done - YMMV |
| 03:16.32 | Nosf3ratu | I'm experiencing a rather odd issue between two boxes on the lan. The "new" box is a fresh sarge install; it once had a knoppix/sid monstrosity. The other is sid. This sarge box cannot reach Apache on the sid box. |
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| 03:16.37 | initech | steve: not easily, no |
| 03:16.41 | kvn | I've found LyX nice for editing LaTeX since I don't really care about the syntax ;-) |
| 03:16.44 | nuix | \join #flood |
| 03:16.44 | steve | !laph at dpkg |
| 03:16.45 | dpkg | HA! HA! HAAA! dpkg just quacks me up! |
| 03:16.55 | steve | not easily? |
| 03:17.06 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: I use LaTeX all the time... haven't had much of a problem with it... and I do some fairly complicated things. |
| 03:17.06 | Xenguy | kvn: I like Lyx - I just wish it used LaTeX as its native format :-) |
| 03:17.08 | Nosf3ratu | It doesn't give an error...it just runs and runs...mozilla says "waiting for host" and l[y|i]n[k|x] just sits. |
| 03:17.16 | initech | steve: reinstalling is probably the fastest way |
| 03:17.26 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: you're a genius - simple :-) |
| 03:17.37 | steve | is sid really unstable? |
| 03:17.38 | Nosf3ratu | Is there a way I can somehow see what is going wrong? It's resolving the dns. |
| 03:17.41 | Nosf3ratu | steve, yes. |
| 03:17.41 | Xenguy | steve: no |
| 03:17.44 | steve | i havent noticed any problems |
| 03:17.46 | Xenguy | ;-) |
| 03:17.48 | initech | steve: yes |
| 03:17.54 | Nosf3ratu | !tell steve about sid |
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| 03:17.55 | steve | <Nosf3ratu> steve, yes. |
| 03:17.55 | steve | <Xenguy> steve: no |
| 03:17.59 | steve | wow |
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| 03:18.16 | dondelelcaro | steve: we have hundreds of bugs filed on it every day. Does it work? Sure. Is it unstable? Yes. |
| 03:18.23 | Xenguy | steve: it is very important to *scare the hell out of you now* |
| 03:18.28 | steve | i havent had any problems |
| 03:18.28 | kvn | Xenguy Hmm, I thought it did. |
| 03:18.36 | kvn | It looks like LaTeX to me. |
| 03:18.46 | Xenguy | steve: do *not* use sid; repeat, do *not* |
| 03:18.50 | initech | steve: it changes all the time, and it therefore unstable, so there :). But for a single user desktop it is ok, with hair pulling session on rare occaisions |
| 03:18.50 | dondelelcaro | !unstable |
| 03:18.51 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid |
| 03:18.55 | belracu | fontsize [xxx] |
| 03:18.55 | steve | i already am :-( |
| 03:19.09 | Xenguy | steve: your PC will die a horrible, horrendous death if you do! ;-) |
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| 03:19.28 | AdrianLP | asg: Ok, I read in cvsbook_6.html that you suggested to make CVSROOT/history world-writeable. What if I don't trust every last user? I just want CVS people to write to it, but they're not all in the same group necessarily. |
| 03:19.33 | steve | it seems to run just fine |
| 03:19.35 | Xenguy | steve: crash/burn/die -> your PC |
| 03:19.55 | Xenguy | steve: (psssttt - I am too) |
| 03:19.59 | dondelelcaro | steve: it does. but that doesn't mean that it won't break in the future. |
| 03:20.17 | initech | steve: of course, then little odd things stop working. If many people were depending on the system, the instability would become terribly apparent |
| 03:20.24 | AdrianLP | asg: I htink I missed a comma after, "suggested" and before "that you" |
| 03:20.26 | steve | oh- i guess one of these days i'll reformat and get sarge back on |
| 03:20.31 | Nosf3ratu | things break all the time in sid. if you "haven't had any problems" you "haven't been running it long enough" |
| 03:20.32 | Xenguy | steve: be afraid - *really* be afraid - *dire* consquences await you |
| 03:20.36 | steve | oh btw- why do people use slackware? |
| 03:20.44 | kvn | heh |
| 03:20.50 | gumpish | "No manual entry for xterm." ? |
| 03:20.58 | Nosf3ratu | steve, because they like it. |
| 03:20.58 | Xenguy | steve: becuase they're afraid of sid ;-) |
| 03:21.02 | xzgv | kvn: can you change the background color in Lyx? |
| 03:21.03 | initech | steve: habit? they lke compiling things over and over with every release? dunno |
| 03:21.14 | steve | like it isn't wasy like mandrake and it doesn't have a cool package manager |
| 03:21.26 | kvn | xzgv Never tried. I only use it to write black math formulas on white text. ;) |
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| 03:21.26 | kvn | er |
| 03:21.28 | kvn | white bg |
| 03:21.31 | Xenguy | xzgv: I don't think you want to (or maybe you do ;-) |
| 03:21.32 | steve | if they like compiling things, use gentoo? |
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| 03:21.44 | initech | steve: it does have a cool name though |
| 03:21.48 | steve | yeah |
| 03:21.56 | steve | but so does AIM |
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| 03:22.03 | xzgv | Xenguy: the white background hurt my eyes |
| 03:22.18 | tak____ | im trying to setup openvpn... when i try to ping 10.1.0.1, i get no reply... anybody know what might be wrong? |
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| 03:22.19 | kvn | xzgv Looks fine on paper. |
| 03:22.30 | steve | what does dpkg do? |
| 03:22.37 | Nosf3ratu | steve, man dpkg |
| 03:22.43 | Xenguy | xzgv: most hardcopy is white ;-) |
| 03:22.59 | kvn | steve: I used Slackware for a long time, a long time ago. It's very BSD-ish, and it works well. Different tools for different problems. |
| 03:23.03 | initech | Xenguy: but is not flourescent :) |
| 03:23.04 | xzgv | Xenguy: i meant while writing |
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| 03:23.14 | gumpish | !testing |
| 03:23.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Sarge is now testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce-0012/msg00011.html for the creation of testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. |
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| 03:23.31 | cafeole | Hey all |
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| 03:23.42 | cafeole | wow, this chan is still alive and kicking |
| 03:23.45 | iop_ | Hello |
| 03:23.50 | coiote | hi |
| 03:23.52 | Xenguy | initech xzgv dunno - never noticed a problem in this regard |
| 03:23.56 | cafeole | been a while |
| 03:24.04 | cafeole | Has anyone seen netgod around? |
| 03:24.09 | Xenguy | cafeole: no it is dying a slow death ;-) |
| 03:24.14 | xzgv | Xenguy: thx |
| 03:24.28 | tak____ | does anyone know why i can't ping 10.1.0.1 ? |
| 03:24.31 | Xenguy | xzgv: sure (tho I'm not sure I helped ;-) |
| 03:24.37 | iop_ | i cannot have color in emacs foo.c for example, my TERM="Linux" it's color for have colors? |
| 03:24.55 | iop_ | it's corrtect |
| 03:24.56 | tak____ | the log file says "UDPv4 link remote: 1.2.3.4:5000" is that normal? |
| 03:24.56 | iop_ | sorry |
| 03:24.56 | Xenguy | tak____: I've firewalled you - that's why ;-) |
| 03:25.10 | initech | iop_: what major mode is emacs in? you want syntax highlighting? |
| 03:25.15 | steve | is kde or gnome better to use? |
| 03:25.35 | iop_ | initech: yes, while, for etc etc |
| 03:25.36 | Xenguy | steve: that totally depends on your taste (aka preference) |
| 03:25.51 | iop_ | initech: i dont't have color ;( |
| 03:25.53 | Xenguy | steve: try them out, see what you think |
| 03:25.54 | steve | what do most 1337 users use? |
| 03:26.03 | kvn | iop_ You have to turn it on in emacs first. |
| 03:26.07 | initech | iop_: emacs21 should do that automatically (in debian at least) - what does the modeline say? |
| 03:26.08 | iop_ | i .emacsrc the options are correct |
| 03:26.12 | steve | i like gnome better- seems more customizeable and seems to look better |
| 03:26.25 | Xenguy | steve: 1337 (l)users avoid debian, cos the 'l' is silent =) |
| 03:26.43 | initech | steve: gnome is certainly not more customizeable, but better is up to you |
| 03:26.54 | kvn | steve: Your holy war questions are kind of lame. |
| 03:26.59 | steve | is kde more cuztomizeable? |
| 03:27.16 | initech | steve: it customization overload, it ridiculous |
| 03:27.16 | Xenguy | !start a desktop war |
| 03:27.17 | dpkg | Sawfish, indeed, wins the #1 spot. |
| 03:27.34 | iop_ | initech: uhmm, i have emacs20 |
| 03:27.40 | Xenguy | heh - sawfish |
| 03:27.44 | iop_ | i try to install emacs21 |
| 03:28.14 | initech | iop_: woody? install emacs21 |
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| 03:28.49 | kinema | "apt-proxy-import: No backend filelists found." damn it damn it damn it! |
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| 03:29.24 | iop_ | initech: sarge |
| 03:29.24 | iop_ | :D |
| 03:29.34 | iop_ | the process is same no? |
| 03:29.50 | initech | iop_: yes |
| 03:30.19 | iop_ | initech: thx ;) |
| 03:30.37 | nvz | could anyone tell me what filesystem to use when mounting these sd/mmc cards from my camera, vfat? |
| 03:30.44 | initech | iop_: i'm almost certain before emacs21 only in X11 would emacs do color |
| 03:30.56 | nvz | damn thing is a 6-1 so I am not even sure which scsi device I put the card into yet.. heh |
| 03:31.09 | iop_ | initech: uhmmm, ok |
| 03:32.26 | initech | iop_: but if still no try M-x font-lock-mode and M-x fontify-buffer |
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| 03:32.49 | iop_ | ok ok :) |
| 03:33.00 | iop_ | ther variable TERM="Linux" it's correct no? |
| 03:33.40 | initech | iop_: yep |
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| 03:33.58 | iop_ | thx again initech |
| 03:34.06 | tty1 | hey, i have a junk box i can install debian on and donate to the room to be used however anyone feels like (within reason) .. do you guys think youd have any use for that.. or that anyone in here would like a free login (i can even give out near-root privilages, it can be trashed_ |
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| 03:34.56 | initech | tty1: give it to a school or a friend or something |
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| 03:35.46 | tty1 | initech: well i dont wanna give away the physical computer.. there are parts i can salvage latter.. has some decenthardware mixed in wiht some crap... but for now its just wasting space. |
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| 03:37.04 | unique3111 | hello agian people, i have problems with recieving files from irc , and gaim, anybody have the same issues, i can send without no problems but when it comes to receiving, no go? |
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| 03:37.29 | unique3111 | i did a bunch of google search trying to find a solution, no go? |
| 03:37.45 | tty1 | unique3111: if it is thru gaim too.. why would anyone have the same problem? |
| 03:38.15 | initech | unique3111: your firewall |
| 03:38.27 | unique3111 | no i can't recieve no files from friends from gaim, well not gaim but the aim within the gaim? |
| 03:38.37 | Nexus | Ok. So I ran fakeroot make-kpkg bla bla bla. Now what do I do? |
| 03:38.40 | unique3111 | its set at the default. |
| 03:38.45 | unique3111 | i didn't touch it. |
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| 03:39.46 | unique3111 | on irc i have problems with undernet. well haven't reallly tried any other channels for recieving xdcc. |
| 03:39.46 | tty1 | Nexus: now install the package |
| 03:39.55 | Nexus | tty1, Not sure how.. Never done this before. |
| 03:40.07 | tty1 | Nexus: dpkg -i <package to install> |
| 03:40.28 | Nexus | tty1, Where do I find the package it created? |
| 03:40.34 | tty1 | unique3111: but if it is happening in gaim and in irc.. it must be something not related to either (well most likly) .. firewall is a good bet |
| 03:40.35 | unique3111 | i'm using xchat now, and it won't receive any files. |
| 03:40.44 | tty1 | Nexus: /usr/src for me |
| 03:41.15 | Nexus | tty1, Ahh. So do I install headers and image |
| 03:41.39 | initech | unique3111: if you have a linux firewall, load ip_conntrack_irc |
| 03:42.00 | tty1 | Nexus: you install the kernel headers thru apt-get'ing them .. install the package and it will jsut install the image |
| 03:42.27 | destr0 | I installed phpgroupware and everytime I try to access servername/phpgroupware/setup/ it prompts me to download the php file it's trying to load |
| 03:42.39 | Nexus | Ok. I think I got the headers through apt-get. So I just type dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.8_10.00.Custom_i386.deb? |
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| 03:43.33 | tty1 | Nexus: yea.. the headers are something like kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-686-smp or something another |
| 03:43.35 | initech | destr0: look at your httpd.conf, for the php stuff, and uncomment (short answer) |
| 03:43.44 | unique3111 | hey initech anything for gaim? |
| 03:43.47 | destr0 | initech: phpinfo() runs fine |
| 03:43.52 | tournesous-sol | only wifi works |
| 03:44.02 | tty1 | Nexus: often you can get around without having the kernel headers installed.. unless you compile drivers or something |
| 03:44.20 | tournesous-sol | the normal wired eth0 can't get a DHCP doled address on any networks |
| 03:44.46 | tournesous-sol | who can I tell if it's a driver problem/conflict versus some other issue? |
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| 03:44.58 | tournesous-sol | err I mean how can I |
| 03:45.09 | destr0 | so I'm pretty sure php is configured correctly because I get a good readout when I write a script that runs phpinfo() |
| 03:45.35 | initech | any network folks in here? will cat6 improve speed over cat5 for GigE full duplex? |
| 03:45.39 | jetscreamer | dang big sid update for me |
| 03:46.37 | syntaxis | initech: apparently cat5e is fine for gigabit |
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| 03:47.27 | initech | syntaxis: i have normal cat5, and it works ok, but at about 250Mbit, not anywhere near 2000Mbit :) |
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| 03:48.45 | initech | syntaxis: i guess my disk would be the limitation there though |
| 03:49.11 | tty1 | Nexus: im switching the room im in.. if you need help jsut say my name in channel and ill pop back in |
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| 03:49.46 | sussudio | am i the only one suddenly getting a barrage of ms-exploit probes from all over the world? |
| 03:50.35 | initech | sussudio: i get them all the time, with the occaisional frenzy |
| 03:50.48 | sussudio | initech: this started 10 mins ago |
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| 03:51.30 | tty1 | sussudio: i dont really monitor.. i just let my firewall do its thing and sit back |
| 03:52.03 | jetscreamer | holy webbrowser batman! htf did lynx get to be default? |
| 03:52.34 | jetscreamer | not 'how do i fix it', how did it get that way |
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| 03:52.58 | sussudio | it must be that fucking jpg exploit thing. people will click anything. |
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| 03:53.07 | nvz | dondelelcaro: you around? |
| 03:53.17 | initech | jetscreamer: update-alternatives for "sensible-browser", varible for WWW_BROWSER |
| 03:53.28 | jetscreamer | not 'how do i fix it', how did it get that way |
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| 03:54.00 | initech | jetscreamer: maintainer script? |
| 03:54.01 | difeta | hey all! I can't seem to get any sound out of my sound card, its sound blaster live, and i've always gotten it to work before. i'm on kernel 2.6 any ideas? |
| 03:54.39 | jetscreamer | initech, no idea... |
| 03:54.48 | peterS | difeta: with kernel 2.6 you have two driver choices, ALSA or non-ALSA |
| 03:54.54 | peterS | difeta: do you know which one you're using? |
| 03:54.55 | jetscreamer | difeta alsa or oss, emu10k1 is the module(s) |
| 03:55.06 | jetscreamer | or what peterS says is better |
| 03:55.17 | nvz | peterS: you wanna see the pics I took of my ghetto fab hardware setup? |
| 03:55.30 | peterS | nvz: heh, a ghetto fab hardware setup? why not? |
| 03:55.35 | difeta | peterrooney, jetscreamer the driver i'm using is oss, there isnt any alsa drivers with the debian package of kernel 2.6 |
| 03:55.49 | nvz | peterS: well you know I got all old, used, abuse, and thrown away stuff |
| 03:55.56 | peterS | difeta: sure there are - snd_emu10k1 is the alsa driver and it does ship with debian kernel 2.6 |
| 03:56.11 | nvz | peterS: I cp'd them to my apache root and opened the port, so you can have a look |
| 03:56.13 | difeta | peterS, let me check |
| 03:56.23 | peterS | difeta: anyway, 'lsmod' will show either emu10k1 or snd_emu10k1 |
| 03:56.39 | nvz | peterS: in theory, if I set it up right, didnt really change anything figured apache 1.3 had dir browsing on by default |
| 03:56.54 | peterS | nvz: I think so. url? |
| 03:57.03 | nvz | peterS: my ip:80 :) |
| 03:57.06 | difeta | peterS, snd_emu10k1 |
| 03:57.16 | peterS | nvz: right, right, I was just about to try that (: |
| 03:57.24 | nvz | peterS: its to be a web server just for the lan, but I opened the port on the router for now |
| 03:57.56 | peterS | nvz: less -S +F /var/log/apache/access_log or whatever your access log is - watch me download stuff (: |
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| 03:58.22 | peterS | !nvz++ |
| 03:58.27 | peterS | ^^^ that's for the IBM Model M keyboard |
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| 03:59.08 | nvz | peterS: well you arent the only one to be watched |
| 03:59.20 | initech | nvz: very getto |
| 03:59.24 | difeta | peterS, it appears I have alsa all setup and the drivers loaded. So with that, how am i suppost to get sound from my sound card? |
| 03:59.34 | peterS | nvz: yeah, when I post urls from my server on #debian I usually get a couple of random hits from people I didn't think I was talking to (: |
| 03:59.36 | difeta | peterS, oh wait |
| 03:59.45 | nvz | initech: the server or my equip? |
| 03:59.47 | difeta | peterS, what device does the alsa drivers use? |
| 03:59.57 | initech | nvz: the whole thing :) |
| 03:59.58 | Agrajag- | difeta: run alsamixer ? |
| 03:59.58 | difeta | peterS, oss used /dev/oss and /dev/mixer |
| 04:00.08 | peterS | difeta: that depends. oss actually uses /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer, I think you meant |
| 04:00.14 | nvz | initech: well the server is jsut apt-get install apache and cp'd some files from a mmc card |
| 04:00.20 | nvz | initech: didnt set anything up |
| 04:00.24 | peterS | difeta: alsa uses some weird devices - alsa apps know how to use them |
| 04:00.32 | difeta | Agrajag-, i cant load alsa mixe, it crashes wit han error |
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| 04:00.38 | peterS | difeta: but if you load the module snd_pcm_oss, you can continue to use /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer for apps that don't know about alsa |
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| 04:01.48 | peterS | nvz: laptop, optical intellimouse, guitar, flyswatter. you do know how to compose a shot |
| 04:02.02 | nvz | peterS: yeah I opened the hw drawer for the one |
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| 04:02.10 | tty1 | and the clock struck midnight |
| 04:02.15 | nvz | peterS: all my spare cards in the middle drawer |
| 04:02.16 | peterS | nvz: oh yeah and either a usb flash drive or a cigarette lighter, it's hard to tell (: |
| 04:02.30 | nvz | peterS: bic lighter I think |
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| 04:02.35 | peterS | heh |
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| 04:02.44 | nvz | peterS: theres a sword and a walking stick next to the guitar |
| 04:03.00 | peterS | nvz: oh yeah, it's easier to tell it's a lighter in this next picture (0428) |
| 04:03.13 | nvz | peterS: and If you look hard enough in the ones with the whole view of the laptop stand you may see a gravity bong to the left |
| 04:03.37 | nvz | peterS: I played where's waldo games as I snaped pictures |
| 04:03.43 | peterS | heh |
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| 04:04.25 | peterS | nvz: your laptop keyboard was missing 3, 4 and L? |
| 04:04.41 | OliverKlozoff | missing 3 and 4? |
| 04:04.44 | nvz | peterS: yeap, never heard me talk extensivly about reviving this laptop? |
| 04:04.50 | OliverKlozoff | how can you sp34k l33t th3n? |
| 04:04.52 | peterS | nvz: I didn't remember specifics |
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| 04:05.03 | peterS | OliverKlozoff: he replaced the keys with his windows logo keys |
| 04:05.23 | nvz | peterS: well yeah keyboard was messed up, I swapped some key pieces here and there, 3 caps and two of the little scissor lift thingies |
| 04:05.34 | peterS | nvz: heh, whatever works |
| 04:05.54 | nvz | peterS: took a dvd/cdrw cobmo out of a compaq sanded down the faceplate and replaced the ratty dvdrom in here |
| 04:06.02 | peterS | nvz: the blinenlights device next to the guitar in the last pic - an eth switch? |
| 04:06.06 | spaere | hi all - i've searched a fair bit and was just wondering if anyone could recommend a web based bandwidth test i could load onto the server to measure the bandwidth on my wifi clients? |
| 04:06.06 | nvz | and replaced the 10gb with the 20 out of the compaq |
| 04:06.15 | mopacki | hello...not sure if i am in the right place...When I plug in usb devices they are not being detected...Any ideas? |
| 04:06.19 | nvz | peterS: yeah Belikin 5 port |
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| 04:06.40 | peterS | that works |
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| 04:07.23 | nvz | peterS: goes through that closet into the other closet. and out into the upstairs livingroom to the router, where two more pcs are setup, then a cable goes out the wall there, around the house and down to the dining room to Netgear hub, where 3 other pcs are, including the webserver |
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| 04:07.27 | peterS | nvz: thanks (: |
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| 04:07.39 | peterS | heh |
| 04:07.47 | nvz | peterS: eh? |
| 04:08.05 | peterS | thanks for the tour of your junkyard PCs (: |
| 04:09.03 | peterS | nothing quite like sheet metal with fan-shaped slots in the front, and a Model M keyboard cable stretching 50 feet or so, to liven up a living room |
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| 04:09.08 | nvz | If you count the Xbox I got 8 pcs on the lan right now setup. all the linux ones except one are static already, the windows boxen use dhcp so I can keep tabs. |
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| 04:10.43 | nvz | peterS: the keyboard is just to satisfy T-rex the Intel PIIX's primative bios's need for a keyboard to boot, I got a Chicony Wireless USB hub sitting on that Multisync 6fg, and the wireless keyboard/mouse you might have seen on the couch by the laptop |
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| 04:11.24 | peterS | nvz: ahhhhh. so you're another person with an old PIIX3 or so motherboard sitting around without a cover on the case |
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| 04:12.16 | Nexus | When I try to boot my new kernel I get VFS: Cannot open root device sda1 |
| 04:12.19 | Nexus | Any ideas on why? |
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| 04:12.57 | peterS | Nexus: self-compiled kernel? |
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| 04:13.14 | Nexus | peterS, Yep... |
| 04:13.19 | nvz | peterS: and I have alot of old keyboards like that and extensions for the AT keyboards, so I made adapters and use them to run the sound equip you see sitting everywhere. T-rex uses his Maestro 2, duplexed output one ouput goes through another duplexer gives me 3 identical outs, Front/Rear Cyber Acoustic Satellites, and one to the Bose Radio on top of the monitor, and it mixes its playback of mp3/cd in with the xbox, guitar you seen in the picture.. etc |
| 04:13.20 | tty1 | i just bought more memory.. yay :) and UV lights for my box with UV fans |
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| 04:13.24 | peterS | Nexus: if so, you forgot one or more modules needed to get to your SATA drive, or the filesystem thereon |
| 04:13.43 | Nexus | peterS, Hmm.. That's what I figured, but haven't been able to find what it might be.. |
| 04:13.59 | nvz | peterS: works nicely actually, they are long as hell, and they connect quickly, I can just grab an adapter with RCA jacks or Phono Jacks and snap it on there |
| 04:14.05 | peterS | Nexus: note that the modules needed to get to your root filesystem should be compiled into the kernel *not* as modules |
| 04:14.09 | peterS | Nexus: that saves a lot of hassle |
| 04:14.12 | risky | either that or the kernel doesn't know how to handle your fs |
| 04:14.26 | nvz | peterS: problem is I didnt take extreme care with wiring, so its not a full standard, some ends dont work with some other ends ;) |
| 04:14.28 | peterS | nvz: ahh. way more trouble than I'd be willing to go to, for sure |
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| 04:14.47 | Nexus | peterS, I've been going through and doing * on the applicable modules, but still doesn't seem to want to fly. I'll keep looking though. |
| 04:15.57 | tty1 | nvz: your making me hungary |
| 04:16.00 | tty1 | *hungry |
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| 04:16.19 | peterS | nvz: just after midnight? somebody should be open, drive-thru at least |
| 04:16.21 | nvz | tty1: I'm making me hungry |
| 04:16.29 | nvz | peterS: just after 11pm |
| 04:16.42 | nvz | peterS: Texass is 6hrs behind |
| 04:17.05 | peterS | nvz: oh, you're CDT? for some reason I thought you were further east |
| 04:17.21 | peterS | nvz: errr, 5 hours, during daylight savings time |
| 04:17.25 | nvz | peterS: yeah I am from Leetsdale, was living in Morgantown for a few |
| 04:17.38 | nvz | peterS: I am in Lake Dallas now |
| 04:17.40 | peterS | nvz: I know, I'm in your TZ. I just didn't realise you were in texas, I thought you were east-ish like abrotman |
| 04:18.02 | nvz | peterS: yeah I am from Leetsdale, its on the east coast |
| 04:19.01 | tty1 | what is the proper terminology to use to refer to the bash prompt (but not specifically bash... the thing when your at a completly text screen.. no x windows) .. cli.. or command prompt or something? |
| 04:19.49 | nvz | tty1: cli is command line interface, its the interface commands like ls and cp use, all command line |
| 04:19.51 | nevyn | "shell prompt" |
| 04:20.12 | nvz | tty1: modconf and programs like that are CUI or Curses User Interface.. heh |
| 04:20.24 | tty1 | ok .. so cli and sell prompt are the same thing? |
| 04:20.34 | nevyn | tty1: is what I'd use.. if I needed a generic term for bash|csh|zsh|tcsh... |
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| 04:21.34 | nevyn | tty1: the other option is "terminal" if you mean text mode interface and want to include applications that use curses etc |
| 04:22.15 | nevyn | "console" for the virtual terminals on the physical machine. |
| 04:22.37 | nevyn | tty1: it depends what specifically you're refering to. |
| 04:22.43 | nvz | oh well, I guess I am on a quest for f00d be back shortly |
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| 04:23.25 | nvz | no slamming my router to see muh cool pix while I am gone, apache is off. My little router is a wimp doesnt like being bullied |
| 04:23.41 | kingsley | Does a utility exist which reports how much of a directory tree is text and how much is binary? |
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| 04:23.53 | dondelelcaro | nvz: ? |
| 04:23.55 | peterS | kingsley: "text" and "binary" are kind of arbitrary |
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| 04:24.00 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: if you can define what is test and what is binary, sure. |
| 04:24.04 | dondelelcaro | s/test/text/ |
| 04:24.08 | peterS | dondelelcaro: his IP address was running a web server with a few pics of his computers |
| 04:24.12 | dondelelcaro | ah... |
| 04:24.17 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh, well I could turn it back on, you didnt see them yet I take it? I snapped some pix of my monitor and stuff |
| 04:24.28 | dondelelcaro | nvz: sure... |
| 04:24.33 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: text is more compressable than binary. |
| 04:24.43 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: not necessarily. |
| 04:24.48 | peterS | kingsley: that's not a very good delineator |
| 04:24.49 | nevyn | tty1: I'd go with "the console." probably |
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| 04:25.16 | tty1 | nevyn: ok so terminal is the broadest term right.. it includes xterm windows too right? |
| 04:25.23 | dondelelcaro | a binary file with all 0x00 would be quite a bit more compressible than the book _1 million random digits_ |
| 04:25.25 | tty1 | ok .. console then? |
| 04:25.28 | tty1 | sounds good |
| 04:25.30 | nevyn | tty1: "a shell prompt" is less specific and could be via telnet or ssh |
| 04:25.34 | peterS | dondelelcaro: hehe |
| 04:25.59 | takatumi | !dict holler |
| 04:26.00 | nevyn | tty1: terminal includes non local terminals (serial terminals, telnet, etc) |
| 04:26.01 | dpkg | Dictionary 'holler' (4 shown; 5 total): a very loud utterance (like the sound of an animal); "his bellow filled the hallway" ;; shout out; "He hollered out to surrender our weapons" ;; utter a sudden loud cry; "she cried with pain when the doctor inserted the needle"; "I yelled to her from the window but she couldn't hear me" ;; a small valley between mountains; "he built himself a cabin in a hollow high up in the Appalachians". |
| 04:26.12 | dondelelcaro | http://scotty.ucr.edu/search/Wrandom+digits/Wrandom+digits/1%2C2%2C2%2CB/frameset&FF=Wrandom+digits&1%2C1%2C <- in case someone doesn't believe that there is such a book |
| 04:26.25 | nvz | dondelelcaro: ok, its on port 80 |
| 04:26.39 | nevyn | tty1: terminal would in my opinion not include x terminal emulators |
| 04:27.24 | peterS | dondelelcaro: heh. yeah, back in the days before computers could generate random numbers easily, people used books of them to do hand calculations. or so I hear.. |
| 04:27.28 | tty1 | nevyn: ok .. but shell prompt would right? anything that is a bash, sh, csh, tsh etc is a shell prompt.. no matter what the medium |
| 04:27.31 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yerp... |
| 04:27.39 | spaere | hi all - i was wondering if there were any web based bandwidth tests i could load onto my server to test the speeds for clients? (i've searched for almost 40 minutes now with no results) |
| 04:27.51 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I would hate to be the proofreader of that book |
| 04:27.54 | dondelelcaro | peterS: you would basically roll a die or something, then open up the rand random digit book to that page, and viola. random digits |
| 04:27.57 | nevyn | tty1: that's the most broad.. |
| 04:28.09 | Nexus | Anyone here running SATA in debian from self compiled kernel? |
| 04:28.10 | nevyn | tty1: yes |
| 04:28.17 | peterS | dondelelcaro: did the publishers accept typo corrections from readers? |
| 04:28.20 | dondelelcaro | peterS: heh |
| 04:28.22 | nvz | haha |
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| 04:28.45 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, that is a bit of distance there from chair to monitor... |
| 04:28.49 | peterS | dondelelcaro: also, if you convert those digit sequences to ASCII, did the complete works of shakespeare ever come out? |
| 04:29.11 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah well I found the LCD on the laptop is more clear anyhow |
| 04:29.35 | dondelelcaro | peterS: heh. I think 1 million digits isn't quite enough... ;-) |
| 04:29.42 | peterS | well, true |
| 04:30.09 | nvz | since I got PCMCIA working on the laptop and can use a keyboard/mouse I thought about hooking it to that other NEC Multisync (3fgx) but the LCD looks pretty good |
| 04:30.23 | dondelelcaro | heh. the thing is actually online now! |
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| 04:30.28 | dondelelcaro | http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1418/ |
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| 04:30.38 | dondelelcaro | http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1418/MR1418.milran.pdf |
| 04:30.52 | nvz | I thought it was pretty ignorant, this PCG-FX210 didnt come with any PS/2 ports on it. |
| 04:31.14 | nvz | and since the usb on it is fux0red I had to get PCMCIA working to put in another USB controller |
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| 04:31.39 | nvz | seems only the bottom PCMCIA slot works, I havent cared to investigate any further |
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| 04:32.44 | nvz | brb |
| 04:33.07 | dondelelcaro | "Because of the very nature of the tables, it did not seem necessary to proofread every page of the final manuscript in order to catch random errors of the Cardatype. All pages were scanned for systematic errors, every twentieth page was proofread (starting with page 10 for both the digits and deviates), and every fortieth page (starting with page 5 for both the digits and deviates) was summed and the totals checked against sums obtained from the card |
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| 04:33.14 | dondelelcaro | from http://www.rand.org/publications/classics/randomdigits/ |
| 04:34.46 | deadcat | i got the good. (= |
| 04:34.51 | deadcat | spanking new. |
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| 04:39.43 | tty1 | nevyn: thanks |
| 04:43.14 | takatumi | deadcat: spanking new what? |
| 04:43.50 | deadcat | takatumi: 800mhz ibook |
| 04:44.23 | takatumi | deadcat: ready, set go! I am timing your debianization proces :) |
| 04:44.33 | takatumi | *s |
| 04:45.03 | deadcat | takatumi: hehehe. |
| 04:45.28 | deadcat | first think i do is to put the penguin sticker on the front first. (= give me 1 hr to get tire of osx then its debian time. heheheh |
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| 04:46.20 | deadcat | damn no scp on the osx? thats it. debian NOW |
| 04:46.56 | deadcat | was gonna ask her to lower the price but since its so new felt bad so just gave her the $$. |
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| 04:47.40 | takatumi | os[Linux 2.6.8160904 - Debian 3.1] up[ 1 hours, 15 minutes] cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz, 332.392 MHz (5242.88 bogomips)] mem[ 146.34/438.50 MB (33.4%)] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 340M (rev 0). at 1024x768 (24 bits)] |
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| 04:47.54 | takatumi | deadcat: when you are done, beat that ^^ :) |
| 04:48.18 | deadcat | HAHAHAH. nice. |
| 04:48.32 | deadcat | only 128mem here and no airport. )= need to buy those. |
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| 04:56.17 | deadcat | gonna be debian only. hope i can setup loopback for mac later on down the road. |
| 04:57.17 | takatumi | !test |
| 04:57.18 | dpkg | Yes, takatumi, you're still online. |
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| 05:00.50 | gteppel | I formatted my second hard drive with fdisk and created a 40 gig FAT32 (LBA) parition (I beileve the ID Type is 'C') anyways when I use mkdosfs on that parition is says that its to large, whats happening? I thought by choosing LBA i could get over that 2 gig limit restriction with FAT? |
| 05:01.19 | alm | #crc |
| 05:01.21 | deadcat | http://deadcat.thegunn.com/tmp/ibook.800/ |
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| 05:02.40 | nevyn | gteppel: fat eww... |
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| 05:03.24 | nvz | gteppel: ever considered the linux mkdosfs doesnt write FAT32? |
| 05:03.40 | nvz | gteppel: the limitation is also in FAT itself, there is more than one FAT |
| 05:03.59 | gteppel | mkdosFS does write FAT32, i just found that you have to explicity specify |
| 05:04.14 | gteppel | via the -F switch |
| 05:04.47 | deadcat | takatumi: i am starting.. debian ONLY heheh |
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| 05:05.47 | deadcat | i dont need extented partition for mac? |
| 05:05.51 | deadcat | ^for^on ? |
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| 05:06.56 | takatumi | deadcat: that 5:03 UTC |
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| 05:07.18 | takatumi | s/that/thats |
| 05:07.26 | deadcat | i am stuck already. in fdisk. but it wont let me clear the entire disk. |
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| 05:07.44 | takatumi | deadcat: which installer? |
| 05:08.25 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nah, there aren't extended partitions... |
| 05:08.39 | ivan | anyone know where i can get mjpeg-tools? |
| 05:08.41 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: and you should be able to create a new partition in mac-fdisk with c or something. |
| 05:08.45 | deadcat | takatumi: using woody install the instruction from brandon |
| 05:09.01 | takatumi | deadcat: cool |
| 05:09.03 | dondelelcaro | ivan: it's called mjpegtools |
| 05:09.11 | ivan | ah |
| 05:09.12 | ivan | thanks |
| 05:09.12 | dondelelcaro | !info mjpegtools |
| 05:09.44 | dondelelcaro | ivan: and it's on marillat's webpage. |
| 05:09.52 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: hda2 and 3 are Apple_driver_ATA macintosh 32k unknown how do i clear them? |
| 05:09.55 | takatumi | deadcat: ? for help maybe? |
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| 05:10.06 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: oh, just leave those... they might not be able to be cleared. |
| 05:10.10 | ivan | dondelelcaro, yea i've already got that repository added, thanks |
| 05:10.23 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh.. dang. |
| 05:10.45 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I mean, if they show up when you create a whole new partition table.... |
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| 05:11.07 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: what you mean? |
| 05:11.19 | trypod | whats the best search engine ? |
| 05:11.20 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: mac-fdisk should have an option to create a whole new partition table. |
| 05:11.29 | dondelelcaro | trypod: depends on what you're looking for. |
| 05:11.37 | takatumi | trypod: your brain :) |
| 05:11.38 | trypod | linux stuff |
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| 05:11.55 | takatumi | trypod: try google.com/linux |
| 05:11.56 | trypod | my brain is right here |
| 05:12.01 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: the isntall brought me to mac-fdisk should i start it from a console instead? |
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| 05:12.34 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: ah. It's i to initialize the partition map |
| 05:12.44 | deadcat | o |
| 05:12.47 | deadcat | heheh |
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| 05:13.23 | Calvin18 | hi does anyone know how to do a two way port scan |
| 05:13.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: cool. it even have the Partition map (= but i dont have mac for now. maybe later in the future? |
| 05:13.37 | takatumi | Calvin18: nmap? |
| 05:13.38 | trypod | is unbutu debian ? |
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| 05:13.47 | deadcat | hi cal. (= |
| 05:13.50 | Calvin18 | the scenario is that i have a computer behind a firewall and i would like to know which are the ports to the internet i can open |
| 05:14.11 | takatumi | trypod: it is based on debian, not debian /topic |
| 05:14.54 | trypod | whats sarge Base+Standard is now frozen means ? |
| 05:14.56 | nvz | Calvin18: I think you are thinking too hard |
| 05:15.11 | Calvin18 | nvz: meaning? |
| 05:15.12 | trypod | its out for testing ? |
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| 05:15.17 | takatumi | trypod: visit www.debian.org |
| 05:15.32 | nvz | Calvin18: meaning you shouldnt even have to portscan when you have access to both machines |
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| 05:16.04 | Calvin18 | nvz: i don't if access to the firewall... if i had then i just need to check the firewall settings |
| 05:16.09 | nvz | Calvin18: if you arent serving anything to the internet you probably dont want much of anything open other then web, and mail ports |
| 05:16.14 | deadcat | First block. what do i put? |
| 05:16.43 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: stay with me baby. (= |
| 05:16.55 | Nurbs | most people probably don't want mail and many not even web open either :) |
| 05:16.56 | nvz | Calvin18: 25, 80, 110, 113, IIRC are the most common |
| 05:16.57 | Calvin18 | nvz: i want to put services open to the internet from the computer behind the firewall, thus the need to know which ports are avaliable to me |
| 05:17.18 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: oh, in fdisk? just whatever the first free block is. |
| 05:17.24 | nvz | Calvin18: thats not how it works, you every machine has 65535 ports availble to it |
| 05:17.40 | Calvin18 | nvz: yes... but not behind the firewall |
| 05:17.43 | trypod | what is Sender ID ? |
| 05:17.44 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i dont know. doesnt say. |
| 05:17.45 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it's not quite as nice as in fdisk where it just assumes you want the next unpartitioned space. |
| 05:17.50 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: use p to show it. |
| 05:17.54 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya |
| 05:17.55 | nvz | Calvin18: each service binds to one of them, you not only configure this in your config files for each service but you can see whats listening on a syste |
| 05:18.00 | nvz | Calvin18: yes behind a firewall |
| 05:18.17 | nvz | Calvin18: a system behind a firewall still binds it services to a port |
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| 05:18.43 | Nurbs | Calvin18: there are no ports forwarded by default normally, if you mean that. you can't access a system behind your gateway without doing something like that |
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| 05:18.52 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: 65 i think |
| 05:18.56 | nvz | Calvin18: the deal with the firewall is that the internet only sees the firewall, so to get services outside you need to forward the ports on the firewall to the machine running the service |
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| 05:19.09 | nvz | Calvin18: but to know the ports the services use, you hardly need a portscan |
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| 05:19.13 | Calvin18 | nvz: maybe there's an misunderstanding, my computer is behind a firewall (which i dun have access to), i need to know which ports that the firewall allows me to open to the internet so that i can run my service on that port |
| 05:19.17 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: could be. 'p' will tell you though... |
| 05:19.35 | Nurbs | Calvin18: what sort of firewall? |
| 05:19.36 | nvz | Calvin18: ok, you are looking for open ports on the firewall that you are able to use? |
| 05:19.48 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I think the sarge versions of mac-fdisk now give you that value as the default... |
| 05:19.50 | trypod | use port 80 |
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| 05:19.57 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. the base column right? |
| 05:20.08 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: um. yeah, i think so. |
| 05:20.15 | Calvin18 | nvz: ports on the firewall opened to me |
| 05:20.17 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it's whatever is the one on the left. |
| 05:20.24 | dondelelcaro | Calvin18: that totally depends on your firewall. |
| 05:20.37 | dondelelcaro | Calvin18: since typically you'd open them up yourself, you're the person who would know. |
| 05:20.40 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i think i got it. |
| 05:20.42 | trypod | can 2 apps can share one port right ? |
| 05:20.47 | dondelelcaro | trypod: no. |
| 05:20.55 | trypod | shure they can |
| 05:21.07 | nvz | Calvin18: I figure if the firewall isnt managed by anyone on the network and everyone uses it whatever ports are open, are open to you.. lets find out |
| 05:21.08 | dondelelcaro | trypod: only one application can be listening on one port at a time. |
| 05:21.14 | dondelelcaro | s/application/process/ |
| 05:21.17 | trypod | i got mozila and konquerer using port 80 |
| 05:21.23 | nvz | Calvin18: someone out here like me on the internet can scan and help you figure it out |
| 05:21.29 | dondelelcaro | trypod: they aren't LISTENING on port 80 |
| 05:21.30 | Calvin18 | dondelelcaro: the firewall is not done by me... so i nid to run a 2 way portscan to open ports on the computer inside the firewall and then scan port by port |
| 05:21.44 | dondelelcaro | Calvin18: are you NATed? |
| 05:22.04 | dondelelcaro | Calvin18: eg, is the IP you have a real live addressable IP? |
| 05:22.08 | dondelelcaro | s/eg/ie/ |
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| 05:22.35 | Calvin18 | dondelelcaro: no... but i have ports on a dedicated internet ip address forwarded to my localnet ip address |
| 05:22.39 | HydroSan | Any good CD-burning utilities for GNOME with a frontend? |
| 05:22.39 | nvz | Calvin18: whats the IP your box has leased? |
| 05:22.39 | deadcat | boy this is some tough shit. (= |
| 05:22.49 | HydroSan | I'd use K3B, but I don't feel like installing KDELibs. |
| 05:22.55 | nvz | Calvin18: thats a NAT |
| 05:23.05 | dondelelcaro | Calvin18: well, then you'll have to talk with whoever set up the NAT to forward those ports. |
| 05:23.07 | Calvin18 | dondelelcaro: what i need to do now, is to figure out what ports forwarded to me |
| 05:23.09 | trypod | use cdrecord |
| 05:23.21 | HydroSan | With a frontend. :P |
| 05:23.32 | dondelelcaro | Calvin18: there's no easy way to tell that. |
| 05:23.40 | trypod | use toast |
| 05:23.45 | Calvin18 | dondelelcaro: he is not exactly a nice person to work with =p so is there a way to scan and find out? |
| 05:23.56 | HydroSan | You mean gtoaster? |
| 05:24.02 | HydroSan | Doesn't work with GNOME 2.8. |
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| 05:24.12 | dondelelcaro | Calvin18: well, your best bet is to nmap the firewall while running tcpdump on the inside to see what packets make it through... |
| 05:24.17 | nvz | Calvin18: yeah and your firewall doesnt respond to a ping either ;) |
| 05:24.20 | dondelelcaro | Calvin18: but that'll probably piss this person off even more. |
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| 05:24.24 | bdeck | hello |
| 05:24.48 | dondelelcaro | HydroSan: you really should just use cdrecord. Most of the frontends are garbage. |
| 05:24.50 | Calvin18 | yeah... or i can open up ports 1024 - 65535 inside and scan all of them from the outside |
| 05:25.15 | dondelelcaro | Calvin18: well, you don't want to open up all of those ports to LISTEN, since nothing else will be able to work. |
| 05:25.25 | bdeck | I just installed firewire support and the nodes keep dissappearing on reboot: /dev/raw1394 and /dev/video1394. |
| 05:25.55 | bdeck | Does anyone know why /dev nodes would just 'disappear' like that? |
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| 05:26.05 | dondelelcaro | bdeck: are you using devfs or udev or something? |
| 05:26.10 | Calvin18 | is there a easy way to do it in an orderly manner like a server client program to run on computers inside and outside the firewall and scan port by port |
| 05:26.14 | bdeck | I can't tell |
| 05:26.20 | HydroSan | Yeah, but it's much simpler to use a frontend when doing DVD menu's and complex songlists. :p |
| 05:26.27 | Calvin18 | bdeck: type mount? |
| 05:27.55 | bdeck | Calvin18: and what would I be looking for in the results? |
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| 05:28.17 | Calvin18 | bdeck: look for any special filesystems mounted to /dev |
| 05:28.17 | Nexus | After hours of trying to get my custom kernel to work, can someone explain to me was an initramfs thing is? |
| 05:28.32 | nvz | Calvin18: well like I said it doesnt respond to pings, but that shouldnt stop me from probing the ports see whats open on the firewall. (which just came back, and its alot btw) |
| 05:28.33 | Nexus | mkinitrd ? What does it do? Why do you need it? |
| 05:28.49 | nvz | Calvin18: you want to see the results in #flood or something? |
| 05:28.53 | Calvin18 | nvz: nah i am not using that computer now :p |
| 05:29.04 | bdeck | Calvin18: bdeck@ithaca04:~$ sudo mount | grep /dev |
| 05:29.05 | bdeck | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part9 on / type ext3 (rw) |
| 05:29.05 | bdeck | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 05:29.05 | bdeck | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 05:29.05 | bdeck | none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 05:29.05 | bdeck | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 on /data type vfat (rw,umask=000,shortname=mixed) |
| 05:29.07 | bdeck | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part7 on /library type vfat (rw,umask=000,shortname=mixed) |
| 05:29.09 | bdeck | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 on /winnt type ntfs (rw,umask=000) |
| 05:29.14 | nvz | Calvin18: heh, so I portscanned you for nothing ;p |
| 05:29.19 | jm_ | Nexus: read initrd.txt |
| 05:29.24 | jm_ | bdeck: awesome |
| 05:29.26 | ctd | Eww, it's devfs. :/ |
| 05:29.38 | Calvin18 | there u have it :p |
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| 05:29.46 | azri | :q |
| 05:29.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: how do i set swap? using C but i dont know what to type for Type of partition: |
| 05:29.58 | nvz | Calvin18: kinda looks like by the large number of random services open you are using knoppix |
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| 05:30.23 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: uh... let me see. |
| 05:30.31 | bdeck | Calvin18: OK, and what would I be looking for in the results? |
| 05:30.56 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: oh yeah... it's just APPLE_UNIX_SVR2 |
| 05:30.57 | bdeck | Calvin18: I mean, how does this relate to my /dev dissapearing? |
| 05:31.04 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you just use mkswapfs... there's no special type. |
| 05:31.17 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh. hehe |
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| 05:31.49 | bdeck | Calvin18: /dev/raw1394 and /dev/video1394 disappear on each reboot. |
| 05:31.58 | nvz | bdeck: no such nick/channel |
| 05:32.40 | bdeck | nvz: sure there is. It is the firewire support! |
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| 05:33.23 | nvz | bdeck: oh well, ---| <--- Calvin18 [~fdsafds@cm64.omega186.maxonline.com.sg] has left #debian (), 3min and 30 sec ago |
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| 05:36.29 | nvz | omfg! |
| 05:37.10 | nvz | the new pics for sussudio, fieldysnuts, and mwilson are hilarious |
| 05:37.23 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: how would i ask to use the rest of the space? |
| 05:37.31 | risky | where are those nvz? |
| 05:37.39 | nvz | risky: debstats |
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| 05:39.00 | nvz | I can watch that animation endlessly and picture mwilson sitting here |
| 05:39.10 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: put in whatever is the maximum that showed up on the right when you used p; |
| 05:39.33 | deadcat | oh i see. |
| 05:39.51 | deadcat | thanks |
| 05:39.54 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 05:42.38 | nvz | I got to say the deop count is less than useful statistic for a channel like this |
| 05:42.50 | jm_ | heh |
| 05:42.55 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: its not asking me to mount swap. i tried mkswap /dev/hda3 on f2 |
| 05:42.55 | nite613 | Why is it so high? |
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| 05:43.17 | nite613 | I mean, compared to the op count |
| 05:43.24 | nvz | nite613: cause the ops deop themselves as protocol says after making a change of _any_ kind |
| 05:43.43 | nvz | so that could be a topic change, quiet, several bans.. etc |
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| 05:43.49 | jm_ | well that doesn't explain why there are more -o than +o modes then |
| 05:44.10 | tak____ | this article is writing about how a 1 terabyte e-mail box is the biggest in the world... sounds so stupid, when at my company, our servers far exceed 1 terabyte and my e-mail as admin has no real quota |
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| 05:44.42 | Penix | nite613: why not? |
| 05:44.45 | nvz | jm_: who knows, I was in #freenode and seen someone set +o chanserv chanserv by chanserv chansev chanserv |
| 05:44.48 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i got it. typed Apple_UNIX_SVR2 in there. |
| 05:44.50 | BlackJudas | Anyone know how to fix the infamous IRQx: nobody cared! Disabling IRQx |
| 05:44.51 | BlackJudas | ?? |
| 05:45.01 | jm_ | nvz: ahh of course, silly me |
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| 05:47.26 | jazzanova | hi |
| 05:47.56 | jazzanova | i have a problem with fonts in epiphany, and gqview. something that gtk wants and I don't have |
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| 05:49.47 | jm_ | but still, it should count it as +o, maybe it's some sort of issue (i.e. Chanserv being ignored by stats) |
| 05:49.47 | jm_ | hehe they are indeed nice GIF-s |
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| 06:02.12 | takatumi | !time |
| 06:02.13 | dpkg | time is probably found on http://www.time.com, or Thu Sep 30 06:02:14 2004 |
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| 06:02.51 | nite613 | Heh, that's time magazine isn't it? |
| 06:03.23 | user01 | how do you restart inetd? /etc/init.d/netbase restart ? |
| 06:03.39 | bob2 | s,netbase,inetd, |
| 06:03.42 | deadcat | is the hardware clock set to GMT? |
| 06:03.54 | deadcat | bob2: i am installing debian on the ibook. (= |
| 06:03.57 | bob2 | it should be |
| 06:03.59 | bob2 | ah, cool! |
| 06:04.14 | deadcat | ok |
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| 06:04.29 | user01 | bob2: i don't understand "s," |
| 06:04.49 | xerophyte | what is the kernel module sg ??? what is the extact name on the kernel menu |
| 06:04.54 | bob2 | user01: the script is called inetd, not netbase |
| 06:05.19 | jm_ | xerophyte: SCSI generic |
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| 06:05.30 | takatumi | xerophyte: sg? |
| 06:05.37 | user01 | bob2: oh ok...im looking at a debian list from 1999 |
| 06:05.39 | takatumi | ah ok |
| 06:05.43 | bob2 | user01: hah |
| 06:06.15 | user01 | so it is etc/init.d/inetd restart? |
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| 06:07.27 | xerophyte | jm_ thx i have somewhere raid with RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20267 (FastTrak100/Ultra100) server panic :( saying can not find the root |
| 06:07.36 | xerophyte | jm_ i have compiled all do you know why ? |
| 06:07.55 | jm_ | xerophyte: read the kernel output carefully - something's missing so it can't mount root fs |
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| 06:09.03 | user01 | should /etc/init.d/inetd restart work in theory? |
| 06:09.15 | takatumi | user01: did you try it? |
| 06:09.24 | user01 | takatumi: |
| 06:09.28 | user01 | yes |
| 06:09.33 | takatumi | and? |
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| 06:09.45 | user01 | takatumi: no such file or directory |
| 06:10.14 | takatumi | user01: works fine here |
| 06:10.33 | user01 | there is no -restart? |
| 06:10.48 | takatumi | user01: try stop and start then |
| 06:10.55 | user01 | oh...i forgot the first / |
| 06:10.56 | nvz | damn I wasnt even aware of my part in Bob2 part 4, I played the hummus |
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| 06:11.18 | bob2 | nvz: it's an important role |
| 06:11.18 | karim | if I want to install alsa, I must recompile the kernel ? |
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| 06:11.45 | user01 | <hits forehead> i really shouldnt be working on this after 12 hours of work |
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| 06:12.06 | user01 | but its the only time i have for fun :( |
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| 06:12.13 | deadcat | i just upgraded my based ppc system to unstable, what important pkgs do i need? ibook G3 here |
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| 06:12.44 | xerophyte | jm_ its says it can not moun the VFS |
| 06:13.01 | jm_ | xerophyte: yes, see above |
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| 06:13.39 | unique3111 | ok. firewall does unstable come with one? |
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| 06:13.52 | fbhjr | I'm using a en_US.UTF8 locale in unstable, and while unicode fonts render fine in firefox, in an xterm reading man pages I get odd characters...even an xterm started with -u8 and a ucs font? any hints? |
| 06:13.57 | takatumi | unique3111: many available |
| 06:14.05 | bob2 | deadcat: gtkpbbuttons |
| 06:14.08 | unique3111 | how do you know you have it? |
| 06:14.23 | bob2 | fbhjr: does uxterm exhibit the same behaviour?2A |
| 06:14.24 | unique3111 | man, this is not like windows at all. |
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| 06:14.31 | karim | if I want to install alsa, I must recompile the kernel ? |
| 06:14.38 | takatumi | unique3111: apt-cache search firewall |
| 06:14.44 | bob2 | karim: no |
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| 06:14.47 | unique3111 | i did that. |
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| 06:14.50 | fbhjr | bob2: mlterm does, I couldn't find uxterm in apt-cache |
| 06:15.02 | takatumi | unique3111: man apt-get |
| 06:15.02 | unique3111 | how do i search to see if i have one already. |
| 06:15.16 | deadcat | unique3111: dpkg -l |
| 06:15.16 | quitte | what'S the best way to make an iso of a scratched data cd? can and should i use cdparanoia? |
| 06:15.18 | bob2 | fbhjr: you have it installed. |
| 06:15.18 | nvz | bob2: yeah and I didnt know helix's website was so interesting. "howto pay for free software" yee haw |
| 06:15.26 | bob2 | unique3111: you don't need a firewall |
| 06:15.31 | unique3111 | thank you deadcat. |
| 06:15.32 | bob2 | quitte: you can't use it |
| 06:15.38 | unique3111 | i don't |
| 06:15.42 | bob2 | nvz: haven't seen that one... |
| 06:15.45 | bob2 | unique3111: this isn't windows |
| 06:15.54 | fbhjr | bob2: OK, UXTERM EXHIBITS SAME BEHVIOR |
| 06:15.56 | unique3111 | i can't recieve files from irc or aim? |
| 06:15.59 | fbhjr | ouch sorry |
| 06:16.00 | nvz | bob2: was just glancing through, its nice though. |
| 06:16.01 | fbhjr | jeez |
| 06:16.02 | karim | bob2, I have installed alsa, what must I do to enable it ? |
| 06:16.03 | karim | * |
| 06:16.07 | unique3111 | i want to take it out if anything. |
| 06:16.08 | fbhjr | sorry |
| 06:16.19 | nvz | bob2: even has the always important links to linux chics which I didnt bother checking out either |
| 06:16.25 | bob2 | unique3111: you don't have one unless you actually installed it |
| 06:16.35 | bob2 | unique3111: you're behind NAT, probably |
| 06:16.38 | bob2 | nvz: ah |
| 06:16.55 | unique3111 | bob2 you good man. |
| 06:17.22 | unique3111 | how i can i recieve files behind this nat. |
| 06:17.23 | fbhjr | bob2; again, sorry for the caps mistake...uxterm same thing :( |
| 06:17.31 | bob2 | unique3111: you probably can't |
| 06:17.36 | karim | I have installed alsa, what must I do to enable it ? |
| 06:17.36 | bob2 | unique3111: depends how shit the router is |
| 06:17.39 | nvz | bob2: I find it hard to believe she has such a url, I figured someone would have taken that long ago, wasnt there a project by that name? |
| 06:17.45 | bob2 | karim: have you built the modules? |
| 06:17.47 | unique3111 | i don't have a router. |
| 06:18.01 | unique3111 | i just have a modenm hooked up to my ethernet card. |
| 06:18.18 | karim | bob2, no, they are not installed ? |
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| 06:19.16 | unique3111 | i don't have no router. |
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| 06:19.27 | unique3111 | its just a surfboard modem. |
| 06:19.58 | quitte | bob2: ok. so i use cdrecord to read that cd? or is there a tool that has better error correction? |
| 06:19.58 | unique3111 | man so you telling me i can't recieve files from anybody. |
| 06:20.11 | bob2 | unique3111: I have no idea |
| 06:20.15 | unique3111 | man. |
| 06:20.24 | bob2 | you never actually desrcibed your setup, tyou just started ranting about firewalls |
| 06:20.28 | bob2 | are you using NAT? |
| 06:20.38 | bob2 | quitte: I doubt cdrecord will do a better job than dd |
| 06:20.44 | jm_ | quitte: tried dd_rescue ? |
| 06:20.49 | bob2 | quitte: or even cp'ing the files out |
| 06:20.59 | bob2 | karim: not unless you installed them |
| 06:21.32 | fbhjr | my entire locale is en_US.UTF and yet any pager that I read man pages with always has sketchy characters in it |
| 06:21.32 | quitte | jm_ no. but i will. thank you very much |
| 06:21.52 | karim | bob2, I installed lsa package |
| 06:22.03 | unique3111 | i will describe my setup to you and you figure out what it is for me. i have a surfboard modem hooked up to my ethernet card. |
| 06:22.05 | bob2 | fbhjr: maybe your font is missing characters |
| 06:22.15 | bob2 | I have no idea wtf a "surfboard" modem is. |
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| 06:22.19 | unique3111 | my internet is alway connected. |
| 06:22.19 | bob2 | karim: "lsa"? |
| 06:22.27 | bob2 | your "injternet"? |
| 06:22.30 | bob2 | dsl? cable? |
| 06:22.39 | unique3111 | i have a broadband connection man. |
| 06:22.44 | unique3111 | cable |
| 06:22.46 | bob2 | haha broadband |
| 06:22.50 | karim | bob2, I installed alsa package |
| 06:22.51 | unique3111 | yeah |
| 06:22.59 | bob2 | how does your computer connect to the modem? |
| 06:23.00 | karim | it seems they are not prebuilt for 2.6 |
| 06:23.02 | bob2 | karim: you need the modules. |
| 06:23.08 | bob2 | karim: the 2.6 kernel includes them |
| 06:23.12 | fbhjr | promailc man page: delivering and non?^@~^Pdelivering |
| 06:23.12 | karim | with a surfboard it's dhcp |
| 06:23.12 | bob2 | karim: just load the ones you need |
| 06:23.12 | unique3111 | thru my ethernet card. |
| 06:23.16 | fbhjr | in a uxterm |
| 06:23.22 | karim | how do I load them ? |
| 06:23.29 | karim | I tried with modconf |
| 06:23.34 | bob2 | unique3111: no |
| 06:23.35 | karim | but they don't appear in the list |
| 06:23.38 | bob2 | unique3111: ppoe? dhcp? |
| 06:23.40 | deadcat | whats the diff between power3 and powerpc kernels? |
| 06:23.42 | unique3111 | dhcp |
| 06:23.46 | bob2 | karim: try modprobe then |
| 06:23.48 | karim | unique3111, that's dhcp |
| 06:23.54 | bob2 | unique3111: then your modem is acting as a router |
| 06:23.59 | bob2 | deadcat: you want powerpc |
| 06:24.02 | deadcat | k |
| 06:24.04 | bob2 | deadcat: power3 is an IBM mainframe chip |
| 06:24.11 | karim | modprobe alsa |
| 06:24.12 | karim | FATAL: Module alsa not found. |
| 06:24.12 | bob2 | er, not mainframe, workstation/server |
| 06:24.17 | bob2 | karim: no, the name of the module you need |
| 06:24.20 | deadcat | bob2: heheh. |
| 06:24.31 | bob2 | karim: what chipset does your sound card use? |
| 06:24.34 | unique3111 | its acting as a router for the ethernet card? |
| 06:24.39 | karim | emuk10k1 |
| 06:24.46 | ysothoth_ | How can I exclude certain modes/resolutions from xfree86? Every time I switch to 320x240 the server crashes. |
| 06:24.56 | karim | unique3111, set your card in dhcp mode |
| 06:24.58 | jm_ | ysothoth_: don't list it |
| 06:25.02 | bob2 | unique3111: paste the output of "ifconfig" to #flood |
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| 06:25.08 | bob2 | karim: modprobe snd-emu10k1 |
| 06:25.10 | rich_ | Hi |
| 06:25.13 | bob2 | or it might be a _, I forget |
| 06:25.15 | unique3111 | cool |
| 06:25.18 | ysothoth_ | jm_: I don't. |
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| 06:25.39 | jm_ | ysothoth_: you do, or it wouldn't switch to it using ctrl-alt-<numpad -/+> |
| 06:26.11 | jm_ | ysothoth_: i.e. SubSection Display for your bpp setting -> Modes, list only those that you want to use |
| 06:26.26 | ysothoth_ | jm_: mplayer switches the mode |
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| 06:26.44 | jm_ | ysothoth_: ahh that's different, then tell mplayer not to do it |
| 06:26.54 | ysothoth_ | I thought it checked with the server :) |
| 06:26.55 | unique3111 | its there bob2 |
| 06:27.00 | ysothoth_ | That's what it looks like from the logs. |
| 06:27.00 | deadcat | bob2: do i have to run ybin after apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc ? |
| 06:27.00 | try_catch_this | anyone know how to configuer smaba, nfs or anything that will allow me to share files across my lan, so far I have managed to share an internet connection with ip masquerading but I cant share files |
| 06:27.36 | jm_ | read NFS howto or Samba docs |
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| 06:28.04 | jm_ | ysothoth_: alternatively, you may try disabling DGA extension (which is what is used for this I believe) |
| 06:28.06 | nvz | try_catch_this: NFS is easier, but its not going to work so well with windows boxes like samba will |
| 06:28.07 | unique3111 | i pasted the ifconfig in #flood bob2 |
| 06:28.47 | try_catch_this | I want something up NOW, so I guess I want the easier one |
| 06:28.59 | jm_ | or maybe it's XFree86-VidModeExtension |
| 06:29.25 | nvz | try_catch_this: well of the two types of NFS userspace is easiest, but kernelspace server is generally faster, and only requires one extra step of loading the kernel module |
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| 06:30.04 | try_catch_this | is there a debian package I can download to do this automagically? |
| 06:30.16 | ysothoth_ | jm_: I don't know why it does this... on 2 computers with 2 different chipsets (both are sarge) |
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| 06:30.40 | ysothoth_ | jm_: Ok I'll see if I can dig something up on dga to "trick" it to use a different mode |
| 06:30.46 | nvz | try_catch_this: other than that, you install either the nfs-user-server or nfs-kernel-server package on the server, and 'man exports' for info on setting up shares, then make sure you have allowed acces from the clients to portmapper, mountd, and nfs, though your /etc/hosts.allow, and /etc/hosts.deny files |
| 06:31.15 | nvz | try_catch_this: then on the client side, you load the nfs filesystem driver, and read the mapage for mount or fstab and mount the filesystems |
| 06:33.04 | jm_ | ysothoth_: maybe it's just a bug in drivers |
| 06:33.06 | try_catch_this | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/server.html |
| 06:33.08 | karim | unique3111, dhcp, I repeat d h c p |
| 06:33.14 | jm_ | ysothoth_: try using another driver |
| 06:33.41 | unique3111 | dhcp what. |
| 06:33.56 | unique3111 | you talking to a new guy here. |
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| 06:34.36 | unique3111 | where's bob? |
| 06:34.48 | Guerin | unique3111: perhaps he has a life |
| 06:34.49 | nvz | try_catch_this: congrats, I know how to use NFS, you are the one who needs the howto |
| 06:34.59 | Guerin | I hear he has been known to go out for a drink from time to time |
| 06:35.10 | nvz | try_catch_this: its simple, I just covered the whole client and server setup |
| 06:35.34 | unique3111 | sure. |
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| 06:35.38 | Guerin | try_catch_this: that howto is comprehensive. Follow it from start to finish without skipping everything, and it WILL work. |
| 06:36.10 | nvz | Guerin: s/everything/anything/ |
| 06:36.19 | Guerin | I know, because I did it myself when I was a rank newbie, frantically trying to geet some data off my other computer... |
| 06:36.22 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:36.26 | jm_ | hehe |
| 06:36.42 | Guerin | it took me hours |
| 06:36.47 | jm_ | somehow I thought most people would choose FTP or HTTP for start |
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| 06:36.51 | Guerin | but now it only takes me a few minutes |
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| 06:37.32 | Guerin | jm_: I probably should have. but I heard it was like samba for linux.... not knowing that samba works between linux boxen too |
| 06:38.25 | jm_ | Guerin: yup, there's no point in using two methods to export the same thing twice |
| 06:39.03 | nvz | Guerin: its so simple I just went through the whole setup decide which sever you will run, and if nessicary load the kernel module, then install the package, man exports, adjust the hosts files, then on the client load nfs driver, and man mount or man fstab. thats it |
| 06:39.20 | jm_ | darn, I thought 2.6.9-rc3 changelog would be minimal, but no, it's huge |
| 06:40.52 | jm_ | tty locking fixes from Alan Cox, maybe this will solve rxvt hanging issues I ams eeing |
| 06:40.53 | fbhjr | anyone using Debian Unstable and unicode? |
| 06:41.07 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 06:41.08 | dpkg | No, no-one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 06:41.19 | fbhjr | ok |
| 06:41.26 | fbhjr | my entire locale is en_US.UTF and yet any pager that I read man pages with always has sketchy characters in it |
| 06:42.04 | fbhjr | uxterm. mlterm, with most, less, more...bad chars in man pages |
| 06:42.12 | jm_ | many people using UTF-8 had the same problem on RH8 which sets it as default locale - google for it, the solution is trivial |
| 06:42.26 | mwilson | great, a new X |
| 06:42.29 | fbhjr | I have googled |
| 06:42.33 | mwilson | What's broken in THIS one? |
| 06:42.36 | fbhjr | all night |
| 06:42.44 | fbhjr | could you spare a quarter and help me? |
| 06:42.58 | jm_ | no, I don't use UTF8 locale |
| 06:43.00 | Guerin | mwilson: lucky us, we get to find out! |
| 06:43.14 | fbhjr | well that is a model of assistance |
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| 06:43.26 | rich_ | I heard the new x has transparancy in software. This of course happenned right after I got transparancy working in hardware |
| 06:44.10 | nvz | WHOA _hold_ _up_ what are we starting a discussion on here.. what is "new x" are we talking XFree or Xorg? |
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| 06:44.37 | BradHicks | Hey, I've got a problem. I seem to have installed a kernel version that won't boot on this machine. I'm using a knoppix CD for a repair disk, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to configure lilo to use initrd.img.old and vmlinuz.old. I try editing stuff in the /mnt/hda1 (real root) directory, and it says I don't have permissions. Suggestions? |
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| 06:45.03 | mwilson | rich_: Ask me if I care about transparency. |
| 06:45.18 | korn_ | BradHicks yeah Install grub better, |
| 06:45.24 | rich_ | mwilson I know, but thats what I heard |
| 06:45.25 | ysothoth_ | jm_: I probably could use another driver these are both sucky video cards anyway vesa would be fine for me :) |
| 06:45.26 | korn_ | when you installed a new kernel you put grub new |
| 06:45.27 | nvz | rich_: did you go look at that animation? |
| 06:45.34 | ysothoth_ | Good suggestion.. |
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| 06:45.44 | rich_ | nvz No. What animation? |
| 06:45.50 | BradHicks | korn, how do I install anything when the whole bloody hard disk is locked against me? |
| 06:45.52 | nvz | rich_: the one on debstats. |
| 06:45.58 | mwilson | korn_: And how would installing grub help him with the problem he's laid out? Did you even bother to read it? No? I didn't think so. |
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| 06:46.06 | nvz | rich_: just let it play endlessly while mwilson types.. its funny as hell |
| 06:46.08 | try_catch_this | "/ 192.168.0.1(rw)" is this enough to let my entire drive to be acessable, I am in a hurry kinda but if it dosent work I guess I will have to read the hole thing |
| 06:46.12 | korn_ | hmmm ok |
| 06:46.14 | fbhjr | !utf-8 console |
| 06:46.35 | mwilson | nvz: What animation? |
| 06:46.44 | try_catch_this | 192.168.0.1: is my main computer ans 192.168.0.2 is my second computer |
| 06:46.44 | jm_ | :) |
| 06:46.48 | nvz | mwilson: I guess sussudio snuck in an icon without you knowing |
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| 06:46.56 | nvz | mwilson: the little mwilson face icon |
| 06:47.26 | mwilson | oh, that. That's been there forever. I didn't realize it was animated. |
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| 06:48.16 | BradHicks | help? |
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| 06:49.37 | BradHicks | Somebody give me a hand figuring out how to unjack this kernel upgrade? |
| 06:49.56 | nvz | try_catch_this: try (rw, no_root_squash) if you are in a hurry |
| 06:50.10 | nvz | try_catch_this: will save hours of cursing |
| 06:50.26 | nvz | try_catch_this: since you didnt read the exports manpage like I said |
| 06:50.26 | try_catch_this | "/ 192.168.0.1(rw,no_root_squash)" |
| 06:50.43 | try_catch_this | man exports dosent work :/ |
| 06:50.48 | nvz | try_catch_this: your syntax (mainly lack of whitespace) seems incorrect |
| 06:51.05 | nvz | try_catch_this: then you havent installed a nfs server package yet |
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| 06:51.30 | nvz | try_catch_this: you are obviously having trouble with the howto, just let me walk you through the few easy steps. |
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| 06:51.53 | nvz | try_catch_this: have you decided on kernel or userspace or really dont care or what? whats your kernel version? |
| 06:52.10 | BradHicks | Somebody give me a hand here? I'm booted from a knoppix cd. I know how to chroot, but once I do, how do I get it to let me log in under my own IDs? |
| 06:52.15 | try_catch_this | 2.4.26 |
| 06:52.24 | nvz | try_catch_this: is that what uname -r says? |
| 06:52.31 | mwilson | Ok, having read d-x for this evening, I think I'm waiting a few to apply -8 |
| 06:52.36 | deadcat | ok. i just got a panic after apt-get kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc but i think i need to edit yaboot.conf and ybin it. )= |
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| 06:53.05 | nikolas | where can i configure the hosts that are allow to connect to mysql-server in debian ? because i apt-get an mysql server and i get the error GHost '83.175.129.130' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL serverConnection closed by foreign host. |
| 06:53.13 | try_catch_this | the just of the how too seemed to be "add this line to /etc/exports and there you go, caring nothing of security" |
| 06:53.39 | nvz | try_catch_this: you dont even have anything setup yet |
| 06:53.49 | nvz | try_catch_this: what does uname -r say? |
| 06:54.35 | try_catch_this | 2.4.26 as I said earlier |
| 06:54.45 | try_catch_this | nfs-kernel-sever |
| 06:54.45 | nvz | try_catch_this: 2.4.26 means you compiled your own kernel |
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| 06:55.06 | nvz | try_catch_this: debian doesnt have a kernel 2.4.26 |
| 06:55.18 | try_catch_this | it was a custom kernel yes |
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| 06:55.33 | nvz | try_catch_this: do you have the nfs kernel sever code built in? |
| 06:55.55 | try_catch_this | I am not sure, but if not I can install the userspace one |
| 06:56.01 | nvz | try_catch_this: you will need at least an nfs filesystem module on the clients that will access this share. |
| 06:56.03 | try_catch_this | it dosent really matter |
| 06:56.18 | nvz | try_catch_this: go ahead and install the nfs-user-server then |
| 06:56.44 | nvz | try_catch_this: then man exports and match the syntax of your entry with the example |
| 06:57.30 | nvz | try_catch_this: then you start/restart the nfs-userserver, and check your client to see if it can see the server, and that it has a filesystem driver to mount shares and go from there |
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| 06:58.31 | try_catch_this | how do you start the nfs-userspace server? |
| 06:58.43 | nvz | try_catch_this: did you check the syntax of your export? |
| 06:59.04 | nvz | try_catch_this: /etc/init.d/nfs-user-server restart, should do it |
| 06:59.20 | nvz | try_catch_this: then you goto the client and run "rpcinfo -p host" |
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| 06:59.34 | nvz | try_catch_this: you need to be able to see portmapper, mountd, and nfs on the server to mount |
| 06:59.49 | nvz | try_catch_this: otherwise you have to adjust your hosts files to allow access |
| 07:00.05 | jm_ | in other words, he didn't really read NFS Howto |
| 07:00.10 | nikolas | where can i configure the hosts that are allow to connect to mysql-server in debian ? because i apt-get an mysql server and i get the error GHost '83.175.129.130' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL serverConnection closed by foreign host. |
| 07:00.24 | jm_ | nikolas: read MySQL docs |
| 07:00.24 | nvz | jm_: or install the packge or read the manpage for exports |
| 07:00.24 | BradHicks | Now can I get somebody to help me unjack this kernel upgrade? I upgraded from 2.4.26-686 to 2.6.7-686 and now my machine won't boot. I had to boot from a Knoppix CD, but it doesn't give me permissions to change anything on the hard disk. |
| 07:00.45 | jm_ | BradHicks: tried using "su -" in knoppix ? |
| 07:01.05 | nvz | jm_: but he compiled his own kernel. and is in a hurry to share files |
| 07:01.21 | BradHicks | No, I don't know that option. What's it do? |
| 07:01.30 | jm_ | nvz: they're always in hurry for whatever reason, but wasting time on IRC doesn't hurt of course |
| 07:01.34 | try_catch_this | nvz: I am having a bit of trouble with man, it seems I have to remove links first |
| 07:01.36 | jm_ | man su |
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| 07:02.35 | deadcat | how do i pass /vmlinux.old to Linux in yaboot? |
| 07:02.44 | nvz | try_catch_this: no idea, sounds strange, wouldnt surprise me to find out you have mixed sources, unstable, experimental, or not even using debian, at this point |
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| 07:03.23 | try_catch_this | custom built up from dsl |
| 07:03.27 | try_catch_this | to knoppix |
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| 07:04.09 | BradHicks | isn't "su -" going to use the permissions from the CD, not from the hard disk? Or do I do that after I chroot? |
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| 07:04.11 | try_catch_this | the sources arent mixed as much as before, had to weed them out manually |
| 07:04.18 | takatumi | try_catch_this: install debian sarge, all will be well |
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| 07:05.08 | nvz | takatumi: as long as you are around to back that one up. I am assigning him to you for tech support.. muwhahaha |
| 07:05.25 | deadcat | how do i pass /vmlinux.old to Linux in yaboot? pretty fucked right now |
| 07:05.49 | nvz | deadcat: having trouble learning to use that new mac? |
| 07:05.55 | takatumi | nvz: should I reassign him to you if he persists with knoppix? |
| 07:06.12 | nvz | takatumi: na, thats sgeigerbots dept. |
| 07:06.18 | deadcat | nvz: ya. (= |
| 07:06.24 | deadcat | panic'ing. |
| 07:06.33 | takatumi | deadcat: time is ticking :) |
| 07:06.43 | deadcat | i apt-get the latest kernel but what do i do to yaboot and ybin? cant get back in hehe |
| 07:06.50 | deadcat | takatumi: hehehe. dammit. |
| 07:06.56 | nvz | deadcat: you dont have a rescue disk you can get in there with like a chroot and finagle a bootloader? |
| 07:07.18 | deadcat | nvz: no. i followed brandon's install (= diskless |
| 07:07.19 | BradHicks | I"m running what I have for a rescue disk now, it's the bootloader part that's throwing me. |
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| 07:07.29 | nvz | deadcat: heh, you are a gemius |
| 07:07.41 | takatumi | deadcat: maybe try the sarge d-i, I dont use mac's though |
| 07:07.46 | BradHicks | Oh, wait. Can I run lilo-config from cd, point it at the .old files, and reboot? |
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| 07:07.51 | nvz | deadcat: I would definatly do that one. Pickup an alien arch and just do a diskless install |
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| 07:08.30 | takatumi | BradHicks: depends what the prefix of .old is |
| 07:08.33 | deadcat | nvz: i installed debian already. just hosted my kernel setting and yaboot i guess. |
| 07:08.48 | takatumi | deadcat: wtf is yaboot? |
| 07:08.50 | jm_ | BradHicks: yes, you have my permission |
| 07:09.00 | deadcat | what option do i put? Linux blah=/vmlinux.old ? |
| 07:09.13 | nvz | deadcat: I dont know what else to tell you. except if you had been wearing your sign ... someone could have said "now I know you aren't gonna un'erstand this, but installing diskless on that thang isnt smart. Boy I'll tell you whut." |
| 07:09.18 | BradHicks | Fair enough. I did a standard apt-get install kernel(whatever), so it renamed my working kernel pieces to initrd.img.old and vmlinuz.old. |
| 07:09.22 | try_catch_this | /etc/init.d/nfs-user-server restart |
| 07:09.25 | try_catch_this | this works |
| 07:09.43 | nvz | takatumi: its a bootloader for the ppc arch |
| 07:09.47 | deadcat | nvz: heheeh. guess i have to download disk one (= |
| 07:09.50 | try_catch_this | since my man isnt working at the moment |
| 07:09.59 | nvz | takatumi: I only know what I know from listening to simonrvn |
| 07:10.07 | try_catch_this | I just wan to allow them to view everything |
| 07:10.16 | nvz | deadcat: download and print out a sign too ;) |
| 07:10.18 | takatumi | deadcat: try ravenbird maybe |
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| 07:10.35 | deadcat | nvz: HAHAHAH dammit |
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| 07:12.39 | simonrvn | deadcat: image=/symlink_to_vmlinux, label=Linux (usually). doesn't differ much from lilo |
| 07:13.12 | nvz | simonrvn: he said he change something and now he cant get in, installed diskless |
| 07:13.15 | deadcat | simonrvn: i didnt update with ybin and now i cant get back in. (= what param do i pass at boot? |
| 07:13.32 | simonrvn | boot rescue, then chroot |
| 07:13.35 | nvz | heh |
| 07:13.37 | deadcat | simonrvn: only way? |
| 07:13.49 | deadcat | then i am fucked (= till i download the cd. |
| 07:13.58 | bob2 | deadcat: yes |
| 07:13.58 | simonrvn | yes. then once you've chrooted, mount /proc, run ybin -v |
| 07:14.03 | deadcat | (= |
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| 07:14.08 | nvz | simonrvn: I told him while he's online making a rescue disk, print him out a sign, so we can stop him from doing these things |
| 07:14.19 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 07:15.05 | nikolas | where can i configure the hosts that are allow to connect to mysql-server in debian ? because i apt-get an mysql server and i get the error GHost '83.175.129.130' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL serverConnection closed by foreign host. |
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| 07:15.17 | simonrvn | goddmaned DNS is fucked, as well as my www vhosts. FUCK |
| 07:15.34 | nvz | I could have said "now I know you arnt gunna un'erstand this, buht n'stalling diskless on that thang aint a good idear, boy I'll tell you whut" |
| 07:15.56 | deadcat | do i have to get the full stable cd1 or i can get the d-i netdisk. ? (= |
| 07:16.18 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you can use the d-i netinst disc... |
| 07:16.22 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it's supposed to work. |
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| 07:16.37 | takatumi | deadcat: unless branden told you not to |
| 07:16.39 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ok. dont feel like downloading all those. |
| 07:16.45 | deadcat | takatumi: he fucked me up good )= |
| 07:16.48 | peterS | !info subversion experimental |
| 07:16.52 | dpkg | subversion: (Advanced version control system (aka. svn)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.0.8+1.1.0rc4-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 851 kB, Installed size: 2576 kB |
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| 07:17.01 | peterS | rc4? 1.1.0 final is out! |
| 07:17.02 | peterS | (: |
| 07:17.17 | dondelelcaro | !info subversion |
| 07:17.19 | takatumi | cool |
| 07:17.21 | |XO2| | my console has colors!!! :) |
| 07:17.23 | dpkg | subversion: (Advanced version control system (aka. svn)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 518 kB, Installed size: 1664 kB |
| 07:17.40 | peterS | to be fair, 1.1.0 was only released in the past couple of days |
| 07:17.48 | peterS | maybe today, maybe yesterday, I'm not sure |
| 07:18.15 | takatumi | |XO2|: we are amazed :) |
| 07:19.04 | |XO2| | takatumi u should be :) |
| 07:19.23 | |XO2| | takatumi how di the raid install go? |
| 07:19.48 | takatumi | |XO2|: havent perfected it yet |
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| 07:22.11 | try_catch_this | rpcinfo -p 192.168.0.1 |
| 07:22.11 | try_catch_this | No remote programs registered. |
| 07:22.30 | |XO2| | guess ill do apt-get update |
| 07:22.43 | takatumi | |XO2|: install something, try bb |
| 07:22.44 | nvz | try_catch_this: then go to the server, and check you /etc/hosts.allow file |
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| 07:22.57 | nvz | try_catch_this: add entries for portmapper, nfs, mountd allowing the clients |
| 07:22.57 | |XO2| | takatumi bb? |
| 07:23.05 | try_catch_this | ok |
| 07:23.23 | nvz | try_catch_this: are you familiar with that file? there should be some examples in there already |
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| 07:23.49 | Seb | anyone has the 1.8.4 deb of xmule for sid ? |
| 07:23.53 | Seb | 1.9b is *shite* |
| 07:24.11 | takatumi | Seb: install irssi-text |
| 07:24.17 | Seb | or evne the source package of 1.8.4 would do |
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| 07:24.20 | naim | hi .. just installing a fresh debian, done this many times, but i am getting alot of '404 not found's .. using unstable ofcourse... any idea on how to get around this.. wierd thing is .. even packages like mount are missing |
| 07:24.26 | takatumi | Seb: sorry giFT |
| 07:24.29 | |XO2| | unstable requires alot of updating :| |
| 07:24.43 | Seb | naim: apt-get update I guess |
| 07:24.43 | naim | using mirror :: ftp.debian.org |
| 07:24.45 | jm_ | Seb: snapshot.debian.net |
| 07:24.49 | takatumi | naim: apt-get update |
| 07:25.04 | yo | Hi, do you know what option i have to use with thunderbird t use it with gkrellm? |
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| 07:25.22 | Seb | jm_: hooooly shit that is sweet |
| 07:25.27 | Seb | jm_: thx mate |
| 07:26.59 | naim | Seb takatumi i did that .. |
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| 07:27.02 | naim | !! |
| 07:27.02 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 07:27.09 | nvz | naim: yeah when you use a non-frozen distro like that you have to update often, and upgrade as well, or you will cause unnessicary breakage, its a go with the flow program ;) |
| 07:27.16 | takatumi | naim: apt-setup apt-spy? |
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| 07:27.59 | naim | nvz this is a fresh install .. trying to distupgrade for the first time .. i cant |
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| 07:28.59 | Seb | naim: maybe the mirror you useis right in the middle of being updated |
| 07:28.59 | naim | takatumi apt-setup to add other mirrors you mean ? |
| 07:29.01 | roma | naim: can you reach the net? |
| 07:29.05 | Seb | naim: try other mirros |
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| 07:29.58 | takatumi | naim: cat /etc/issue |
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| 07:31.27 | naim | takatumi 3.0 .. but trying to do a dist-upgrade |
| 07:32.18 | takatumi | naim: ok, try different mirrors, apt-spy should get you the fastest, if your network works that is |
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| 07:33.12 | naim | i am connected ... what could be wrong with my network ? |
| 07:33.27 | takatumi | naim: how would we know? |
| 07:33.28 | nvz | takatumi: where are you from? |
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| 07:33.47 | takatumi | nvz: India originally |
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| 07:33.52 | JohnFlux | hey all |
| 07:33.56 | naim | roma ok .. trying |
| 07:33.58 | JohnFlux | are there any Free versions of gnuplot? |
| 07:34.09 | simonrvn | uh, what? |
| 07:34.09 | jm_ | huh ? |
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| 07:34.24 | JohnFlux | gnuplot appears to be non-free |
| 07:34.31 | fbhjr | man doesn't support utf-8...that is odd |
| 07:34.31 | The_Vulture | JohnFlux: in what way is gnuplot not free? seems to be in "main".. |
| 07:34.50 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: it appears to prevent distribution of modified code |
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| 07:34.58 | simonrvn | Filename: pool/main/g/gnuplot/gnuplot_4.0.0-2_all.deb |
| 07:35.00 | SNIa | what exactly does the acronym utf-8 stand for? |
| 07:35.03 | JohnFlux | Permission to modify the software is granted, but not the right to |
| 07:35.03 | JohnFlux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.06 | nvz | heh, that comment was so dead, it bought the Vulture out |
| 07:35.06 | takatumi | nvz: why did you ask? the nick? |
| 07:35.09 | opqdonut | i've been thinking of putting up a projects dir in my homedir, RCSing (i don't nedd anything compilcated, i do mostly perl scripts) it and rsyncing it regurarily with my server. any tips or better ways of achieving this? |
| 07:35.23 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: do "echo help license | gnuplot" |
| 07:35.31 | nvz | takatumi: nope seem to me more than familiar with the channel and debian, and I dont recognise you |
| 07:35.36 | simonrvn | fbhjr: yes it does. just have to do funky stuff to '-' to have them display properly |
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| 07:35.56 | fbhjr | simonrvn: write a howto or give me the args? |
| 07:36.03 | takatumi | nvz: I am a n00b ;) |
| 07:36.08 | The_Vulture | JohnFlux: don't have it installed at this very moment, will check in a sec |
| 07:36.22 | simonrvn | no i won't write a howto, and especially on IRC. sheesh |
| 07:36.42 | fbhjr | like I expected you to |
| 07:36.42 | s-toned | naim: netselect-apt |
| 07:36.49 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: i'm _guessing_ that it's nothing to do with gnu |
| 07:36.50 | SNIa | n00 n00bs hacker candy you can 0wN |
| 07:36.57 | nvz | takatumi: I know you havent been here long cause I am working on a script to determine such things |
| 07:37.20 | The_Vulture | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnuplot/gnuplot_4.0.0-2/gnuplot.copyright |
| 07:37.23 | takatumi | nvz: yeah a central repository for color codes? |
| 07:37.25 | simonrvn | fbhjr: i'm trying to remember what to do about it besides setting up your locale |
| 07:37.59 | nvz | takatumi: not exactly a nickcolor variant working of statistic is what I have visioned |
| 07:38.21 | takatumi | nvz: apt-get install psig |
| 07:38.43 | fbhjr | simonrvn: no worries..debian-user gave same answer...I know it must be possible...shit, man pages after all |
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| 07:39.02 | try_catch_this | nvz: I am going to reboot and see if anything works |
| 07:39.06 | nvz | takatumi: doesnt exist |
| 07:39.09 | fbhjr | interesting problem anyhow :) |
| 07:39.11 | nvz | try_catch_this: doesnt work like that |
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| 07:39.32 | try_catch_this | ? |
| 07:39.40 | nvz | try_catch_this: rebooting doesnt fix things |
| 07:39.55 | fbhjr | nix cosmopolitanism |
| 07:39.58 | takatumi | nvz: sorry pisg - Perl IRC Statistics Generator |
| 07:40.09 | simonrvn | fbhjr: all i know is that it's policy now to have them be utf-8 friendly. that includes '-' and accents but encoded that way (basically the file is in that encoding) |
| 07:40.09 | The_Vulture | JohnFlux: your guess seems to be correct: http://www.gnuplot.info/faq/faq.html#SECTION00032000000000000000 |
| 07:40.11 | try_catch_this | I was adding alot of entries to the hosts.allow/deny to both systems |
| 07:40.30 | The_Vulture | "Our software was designed completely independently and the name "gnuplot" was actually a compromise. I wanted to call it "llamaplot" and Colin wanted to call it "nplot." We agreed that "newplot" was acceptable but, we then discovered that there was an absolutely ghastly pascal program of that name that the Computer Science Dept. occasionally used. I decided that "gnuplot" would make a nice pun and after a fashion ... |
| 07:40.30 | nvz | try_catch_this: yeah I am aware of such things |
| 07:40.34 | try_catch_this | can I message you with my host.allow? |
| 07:40.36 | The_Vulture | ... Colin agreed." |
| 07:40.41 | simonrvn | so WTH is it in main ? |
| 07:40.41 | The_Vulture | I wish it had been called llamaplot :) |
| 07:40.47 | fbhjr | yah the encoding |
| 07:40.56 | opqdonut | The_Vulture: me too |
| 07:40.58 | simonrvn | fbhjr: check it out: |
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| 07:41.14 | nvz | try_catch_this: main things I am going for is to identify users by time on the channel, status modes, and interaction of course with the user of the script |
| 07:42.03 | simonrvn | sh -c (echo '.ll 124n'; /usr/bin/zsoelim /tmp/users/XXXX/zmanXXXXX) | /usr/bin/tbl | /usr/bin/nroff -mandoc -rLL=124n -rLT=124n -Tutf8 | less |
| 07:42.18 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: "gnuplot predates the GNU project." |
| 07:42.20 | The_Vulture | simonrvn: it's compatible with clause 4 of the DFSG. It allows modifications to be distributed in patch form, disallowing modified source distribution |
| 07:42.27 | simonrvn | groff -mtty-char -Tutf8 -mandoc -rLL=124n -rLT=124n; /bin/sh /usr/bin/nroff -mandoc -rLL=124n -rLT=124n -Tutf8 |
| 07:42.31 | try_catch_this | ummm? |
| 07:42.33 | The_Vulture | JohnFlux: yeah, starting in 1986, when I was 3 years old, that sounds about right |
| 07:42.38 | The_Vulture | damn GNU! ;) |
| 07:42.39 | simonrvn | aaah, ok |
| 07:42.49 | JohnFlux | The GNU manifesto was first published in 1985, but as early as 1983 |
| 07:42.50 | JohnFlux | Rms announced the project in a posting to net.unix-wizards. |
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| 07:42.54 | AndrewLee | Does any document for setup an apt repository for selfmade packages? |
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| 07:43.07 | The_Vulture | JohnFlux: why do you need something any more free than gnuplot? it's not hard to distribute in patch form, with scripts for automating the patching process? |
| 07:43.11 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: doesn't _quite_ predate - but probably was done when they were unaware of it |
| 07:43.16 | The_Vulture | *nods* |
| 07:43.27 | simonrvn | fbhjr: that's stuff in ps when i typed 'man dict' |
| 07:43.49 | fbhjr | getting a shell err but I'll work it |
| 07:43.51 | fbhjr | :) |
| 07:43.53 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: no reason at other than .. well I suppose purity. be nice to have my code using gpl code that's all |
| 07:44.07 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: no practical reason |
| 07:44.10 | fbhjr | hmm |
| 07:44.27 | The_Vulture | nvz: I turned 21 on the 26th of August |
| 07:44.52 | The_Vulture | JohnFlux: hmm, *shrugs* |
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| 07:44.59 | nvz | The_Vulture: I turned 21 on the 10th of August |
| 07:45.01 | The_Vulture | scilab came to my mind, but it's non-free |
| 07:45.11 | The_Vulture | nvz: old man ;) |
| 07:45.13 | frevidar | is there any way to get a list of all packages on my system from unstable? |
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| 07:46.18 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: late happy birthday |
| 07:46.24 | The_Vulture | thanks :) |
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| 07:46.30 | JohnFlux | nvz: even later happy birthday |
| 07:46.36 | nvz | heh |
| 07:46.50 | JohnFlux | fbhjr: and who-knows-how-late happy birthday to you too |
| 07:46.53 | |XO2| | The_Vulture now your going to feel older every birthday... |
| 07:47.04 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: yeah, start lying about your age |
| 07:47.35 | fbhjr | JohnFlux: thanks ye-out-of-the-woodwork |
| 07:47.36 | The_Vulture | maybe.. people usually overestimate it (these days the beard probably doesn't help matters, if I was aiming to look younger) |
| 07:47.59 | Slartibartfast | happy birthday |
| 07:48.05 | The_Vulture | hurah |
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| 07:48.17 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: I can never have a beard - it itches way too much |
| 07:48.18 | The_Vulture | happy birthday, early/late/or both, to everyone :) |
| 07:48.37 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: happy death day |
| 07:48.39 | nvz | I dont know where the misconception comes from that men wear beards.. |
| 07:48.49 | The_Vulture | yeah, I can see that point, I just kind of did it on a whim, went on holidays for a couple of weeks, didn't shave, came back with a beard :) |
| 07:49.06 | nvz | If I dont look in the mirror for a few days, I come to find out the motherfucker crept right up on me |
| 07:49.33 | JohnFlux | nvz: well they usually do, unless you're in germany, where it's the women that do |
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| 07:49.52 | fbhjr | German women are all mine |
| 07:49.54 | deadcat | i cant burn cds without hdc=ide-scsi in grub. 2.6.8 kernel here |
| 07:49.59 | The_Vulture | nvz: http://skye.shacknet.nu/~vulture/me.jpg - yeah, I get it trimmed pretty short. The difference between it being fully trimmed (like a 1 or 2 level) and complete shave is probably only a week at most |
| 07:50.24 | The_Vulture | deadcat: odd, I can do it just fine, did you disable all the ide-scsi stuff, you shouldn't need any of it. |
| 07:50.36 | bob2 | !+maint bsign |
| 07:50.38 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 07:50.39 | The_Vulture | then just use the dev name for the hd as usual, not a scsi name |
| 07:50.40 | dpkg | bsign: Marc Singer <elf@debian.org> |
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| 07:50.53 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: hey, you look good with a beard |
| 07:51.07 | nvz | looks like tom hanks or something |
| 07:51.08 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: I was thinking RMS style |
| 07:51.18 | The_Vulture | hehe, yeah, I think it suits, works best when trimmed neatly imho |
| 07:51.32 | JohnFlux | The_Vulture: yeah. i'm jealous. you wear it well |
| 07:51.38 | The_Vulture | I'm not the ragged type, doesn't quite work for me (ok, it gets a bit ragged when I don't trim it often enough) |
| 07:51.43 | deadcat | The_Vulture: ya. all those are disabled. |
| 07:51.44 | The_Vulture | nvz: hehe :) |
| 07:52.02 | JohnFlux | nvz: ... |
| 07:52.41 | nvz | The_Vulture: ah, Chickenchaser ;) |
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| 07:53.10 | nvz | tht was the default title you got on that game fable. |
| 07:53.21 | The_Vulture | can't say I know the game.. |
| 07:53.29 | nvz | everyone called you chicken chaser |
| 07:53.49 | nvz | the women would go "ah, chicken chaser, you chase chickens *giggle*" |
| 07:54.22 | The_Vulture | not sure how thaht fits in to the convo, or relates to my image, but ok :) (on an oddly related note, I have been known as The_Chicken at times) |
| 07:54.29 | nvz | I thought the rpgs I seen were bad, now my cousin is playing some starwars game that royally sucks |
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| 07:55.06 | The_Vulture | I've never been a big RPG fan, got Dungeon Siege which is just pure hack n slash, but I'm an RTS man at heart. |
| 07:55.12 | The_Vulture | With the right team mates anyway. |
| 07:56.30 | nvz | I see through the shit, bores me to sleep, when this game starwars you sight an enemy, and the game stopps, you press a button to engage and then queue a bunch of attacks up and watch characters in 3d acting out the roll of dice |
| 07:57.02 | nvz | I played the same game back in like 1983 on the Apple IIC and it was more fun |
| 07:57.10 | nvz | just kidding |
| 07:57.11 | nvz | but still |
| 07:57.15 | The_Vulture | hehe :) |
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| 07:57.56 | Zetabyte | I'm a Final Fantasy fan. I loved how the battles were about strategy, and building your characters up, rather than quick reflexes. even back when the graphics sucked. |
| 07:58.04 | nvz | its like gambling, but having to wait in line behind old deaf senile people, and watch golf at the same time |
| 07:58.19 | nvz | thats how I view the world of rpgs |
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| 07:59.31 | nvz | not to mention I can play any video game I spend more time learning to play then I normally sleep in a week |
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| 07:59.53 | try_catch_this | nvz: I still am not getting it to work |
| 08:00.07 | nvz | try_catch_this: yeah would I told you so help? |
| 08:00.18 | rich_ | Games get old. Except quake2 of course. Thats interpersonal communication |
| 08:00.19 | try_catch_this | rpcinfo -p |
| 08:00.19 | nvz | rebooting is counter-productive |
| 08:00.19 | try_catch_this | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.19 | try_catch_this | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.19 | try_catch_this | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.19 | try_catch_this | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.20 | try_catch_this | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.22 | try_catch_this | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.26 | jm_ | try_catch_this: stop |
| 08:00.27 | try_catch_this | I hope that wasnt too much |
| 08:00.37 | nvz | try_catch_this: you're missing mountd |
| 08:00.45 | nvz | try_catch_this: read the damn topic sometime btw |
| 08:00.48 | try_catch_this | I dont want to paste all |
| 08:01.11 | nvz | try_catch_this: well if you can see the services from another box, then you are good |
| 08:01.11 | deadcat | how do i make ibook boot from cdrom? (= |
| 08:01.20 | nvz | try_catch_this: do you know how to mount filesystems and use fstab? |
| 08:01.27 | try_catch_this | actually I cant |
| 08:01.35 | try_catch_this | no |
| 08:01.40 | try_catch_this | my man is broken |
| 08:01.48 | Zetabyte | deadcat: try holding 'c' - if that doesn't do it i'm not sure |
| 08:01.55 | deadcat | Zetabyte: thanks |
| 08:01.57 | Zetabyte | np |
| 08:02.04 | nvz | try_catch_this: sucks to be you, I am not interested. I am hetorosexual |
| 08:02.47 | try_catch_this | -.- |
| 08:02.51 | nvz | its 3am yee haw |
| 08:03.40 | bob2 | +indahizzle. |
| 08:03.57 | nvz | yeah buddy |
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| 08:04.48 | nvz | running out of ideas and its too quiet to go with the flow |
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| 08:05.37 | Zetabyte | I'm compiling my new laptop kernel on my desktop. because my laptop crashes from the heat =/ ACPI isn't quite working...all the way...yet. |
| 08:05.41 | try_catch_this | nvz: could ip masquerading have anything to do with this? |
| 08:05.53 | nvz | en vee zee has left the building, enn bee cee will now present you with dead air time |
| 08:06.02 | nvz | chhhh chhh chhhh |
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