| 00:00.06 | freemo_ | mwilson, ok if your not going to explain yourself your its nothing more then rambling to me with no directiona nd purpose then to let out some repressed teen angst |
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| 00:00.21 | citral | jdrake_, there are many, if your window manager is gnome, gdesklets is nice, if you have something like fluxbox, there is gkrellm... apt-cache search applets |
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| 00:00.38 | g4lt | danielq so define the gateway for eth1 |
| 00:00.42 | jdrake_ | I never understood what these gdesklets are, never having seen anything |
| 00:00.45 | mwilson | freemo_: Yes, yes, whatever you say. |
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| 00:00.59 | mwilson | One hundred eighty five |
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| 00:01.25 | citral | Criggie, yeah |
| 00:01.26 | Noid | mwilson: i thought he was 201 (; |
| 00:01.27 | danielq | g4lt: that would be a default gateway...which is not what I want. |
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| 00:01.48 | citral | Criggie, kernel 2.6 has a 3c59x module for your card |
| 00:01.50 | c0rtex | I'm trying to setup plone, but when I try to get to the ZMI at localhost:9673 I get a connection refused. I'm using stock debian install, haven't changed anything. |
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| 00:01.57 | kronika | GREETINGS... what file should i edit to switch window managers from KDE? |
| 00:02.02 | Criggie | citral: I think the exploding PSU earlier this morning has damaged some part of the board. I've already swapped out the NIC. |
| 00:02.30 | citral | Criggie, Aie. |
| 00:02.33 | LoneWlf | kronika -- in debian? hrms you relink a file I'm thinkin... in /etc/defaults (goes to look) |
| 00:02.45 | mwilson | Noid: I said, *almost* |
| 00:02.54 | Criggie | citral: yeah - apt-get install --reinstall magic-smoke <<--- doesn't fix the problem :((( |
| 00:03.12 | Noid | mwilson: I stand corrected, then d-: |
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| 00:03.41 | Criggie | thanks citral - later |
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| 00:04.04 | Noid | g4lt: you mean the guy that wanted a default gateway but didn't know it? |
| 00:04.12 | g4lt | Noid yep |
| 00:04.22 | Noid | g4lt: hehe |
| 00:04.26 | LoneWlf | kronika : nope, that's not it... I know it's a file link, now where is it... |
| 00:05.40 | kronika | hrrm |
| 00:05.49 | citral | hrmphf |
| 00:05.51 | kronika | before i just had to edit a file |
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| 00:06.34 | kronika | i thought it might be in ~/ but its not |
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| 00:06.54 | kronika | wheres the startx config file? |
| 00:06.59 | citral | kronika, ask in #debian-kde |
| 00:07.14 | kronika | ty citral |
| 00:07.24 | bonez39 | where would I ask about setting up CUPS..for a windows shared printer? |
| 00:07.26 | LoneWlf | kronika : man update-alternatives |
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| 00:07.58 | LoneWlf | kronika : it's a link in /etc/alternatives and the script update-alternatives modifies them. You can do it manually, but that's just bad business |
| 00:08.11 | sladegen | !seen o-o |
| 00:08.12 | dpkg | o-o is currently on #debian (7h 5m 55s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 6d 6h 58m 13s |
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| 00:08.41 | kronika | k thanks |
| 00:08.44 | keifer | Any idea if I can get sid by pointing my ubuntu install to the sid package server? (can't get the regualer debian installer to work.) |
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| 00:11.02 | kronika | where is .xinitrc? |
| 00:11.22 | LoneWlf | kronika : in ~/ if you have one |
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| 00:11.48 | koblenz | need help with the boot settings.... |
| 00:12.01 | keifer | hurm, I asked a question, and there was a netsplit. must have been a sign... |
| 00:12.03 | LoneWlf | kronika : if not, the default is in /etc/X11/xinit |
| 00:12.05 | koblenz | what's the equivalent of /etc/conf.d/local.start in debian (compared to Gentoo) |
| 00:12.06 | koblenz | ??? |
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| 00:12.36 | mwilson | koblenz: What is that supposed to accomplish? Or are we supposed to magically know how Gentoobie does things? |
| 00:12.39 | ace | hi all |
| 00:12.51 | LoneWlf | koblenz : surprisingly I don't know... what does 'local.start' actually do? |
| 00:12.54 | koblenz | haha. mwilson you're right... I'll explain |
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| 00:13.12 | koblenz | /etc/conf.d contains settings files for the scripts in /etc/init.d |
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| 00:13.25 | koblenz | which are probably the same funcionality as /etc/rc.x |
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| 00:13.53 | g4lt | ahh, you're looking for rc.local? |
| 00:13.56 | g4lt | !rc.local |
| 00:13.57 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", or try "rcconf", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template |
| 00:14.00 | koblenz | yah probably |
| 00:14.03 | mwilson | koblenz: Uh, in case you hadn't bothered to notice, Debian has /etc/init.d ... /etc/rc.<n> are symlinks. |
| 00:14.17 | LoneWlf | koblenz : in what?... settings for the scripts in /etc/init.d in debian live in /etc/defaults some of the time... |
| 00:14.26 | mwilson | g4lt: No, he's looking for something similar to /etc/defaults but only for init scripts. |
| 00:14.30 | koblenz | thanks guys! |
| 00:14.33 | LoneWlf | koblenz : see what dpkg said :) |
| 00:14.45 | koblenz | really newcomer to debian. Used to gentoo |
| 00:14.53 | mwilson | Leave it to Gentoobie to over-engineer things. |
| 00:15.00 | unperson | Question: Is there any way to share the sound output of a computer over the network? Meaning, I want other machines on the LAN to be able to play their music out the speakers connected to my debian box. |
| 00:15.24 | unperson | The other computers include Linux, OS X, and possibly Win2k boxes. |
| 00:15.31 | citral | unperson, look for Icecast, or any sound server you like |
| 00:15.36 | mwilson | koblenz: And you stopped using Gentoobie because...? |
| 00:15.47 | sladegen | mwilson: ha ha like debian isnt overengineered... ha ha |
| 00:15.48 | JoshH | lol |
| 00:15.49 | LoneWlf | unperson : share your speakers? as in they play music and it comes out of your speakers? wierd |
| 00:15.54 | koblenz | nah I had a Knoppix cd around so I installed it on my harddrive |
| 00:16.04 | koblenz | I really like knoppix cause of the HW detection |
| 00:16.08 | unperson | LoneWlf: yes |
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| 00:16.13 | mwilson | Ok, then you're running Knoppix, not Debian. Go to #knoppix. |
| 00:16.16 | koblenz | Gentoo is science, Knoppix is PnP |
| 00:16.26 | citral | unperson, no, you can stream the sound via your lan |
| 00:16.34 | koblenz | but Knoppix is based on debian, or not??? |
| 00:16.37 | unperson | citral: Isn't icecast a music streaming server? |
| 00:16.39 | ApEtc | koblenz: See the topic |
| 00:16.46 | citral | unperson, yes |
| 00:16.54 | koblenz | haha |
| 00:16.59 | koblenz | ok sorry guys |
| 00:17.01 | garrett | koblenz, yes, but nobody here wants to help knoppix people because knoppix is not debian |
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| 00:17.19 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 00:17.19 | dpkg | well, knoppix is a bootable CD with a demo distribution, based mostly on Debian testing. It has almost 2GB in compressed volume, works in memory not touching harddisks by default, autodetects hardware and starts a prepared KDE session. Can be installed on harddisk later. URL: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html, http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/knoppix.php, /join #knoppix for knoppix-specific stuff. Not Debian but similar. |
| 00:17.22 | abrotman | see .. last part |
| 00:17.24 | abrotman | not debian |
| 00:17.37 | mwilson | Knopper should be shot for giving in to the morons insisting he provide a way to install it on a HD. |
| 00:17.48 | citral | garrett, there are more people in #knoppix than here, I really don't see why we should answer knoppix questions... |
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| 00:17.56 | unperson | citral: See I want the other computers to be able to play their music out on the debian box. I could do that if each served their music with icecast and then the output box was the client, but I want something I can initiate from the other desktops. |
| 00:17.58 | abrotman | mwilson: did you hear about the helix distro? |
| 00:18.08 | mwilson | abrotman: No, should I have? |
| 00:18.12 | unperson | I know at least OS X has some facility for networked speakers. |
| 00:18.18 | abrotman | mwilson: it does actually exist .. it's based on knoppix |
| 00:18.21 | mwilson | abrotman: Every time you turn around, there's another one. What's this one do? |
| 00:18.30 | abrotman | mwilson: http://www.e-fense.com/helix/ |
| 00:18.32 | mwilson | unperson: Except that it doesn't, of course. |
| 00:18.33 | adar | unperson: there are web-based control apps for icecast |
| 00:18.38 | abrotman | helix: sorry .. don't kill me |
| 00:18.40 | adar | unperson: I do believe |
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| 00:19.35 | snoke | where i can found correct real-root-dev number ? |
| 00:19.35 | mwilson | abrotman: Hm, based on Knoppix, so I'm sure there's something wrong with it somewhere. |
| 00:19.36 | koblenz | Ok I am leaving then :-) Have a nice evening / day / morning all of you and thanks for the info |
| 00:19.37 | adar | unperson: basically, set up an icecast server on your debian box. Set up xmms or something to act as a permanent listener to that server, on the same debian box |
| 00:19.39 | garrett | citral, you shouldn't |
| 00:19.44 | abrotman | mwilson: heh |
| 00:19.44 | keifer | Any idea if I can get sid by pointing my ubuntu install to the sid package server? (can't get the regualer debian installer to work.) |
| 00:19.46 | adar | unperson: then each other computer acts as a source when they want to use the speakers |
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| 00:20.47 | adar | unperson: alternatively, if you use OSS sound, you can try to share /dev via NFS or samba, and see if another linux computer can just play sound to /mnt/dev/dsp |
| 00:20.49 | unperson | adar: Huh...ok, I'll check it out. Thanks. |
| 00:20.50 | LoneWlf | unperson : I would suggest something easy, a hack... if you will... set up a vnc desktop and have some media management X thingy running on it that has access to your speakers and let them connect and play music from your collection with vnc |
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| 00:21.26 | mwilson | I'd also like to shoot WauWau for promoting ubunto to idiots |
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| 00:21.41 | Klebel | where can i look to see if my system recognized that i plugged in a USB device? |
| 00:21.57 | unperson | LoneWlf: Yeah, that's what I had been doing with X11 forwarding. But my GF would like to use her iTunes, I think, not XMMS. |
| 00:21.59 | NyteOwl | ubunto? |
| 00:22.00 | adar | klebel: check /proc/bus/usb |
| 00:22.09 | adar | klebel: or apt-get "usbview", it's a small GTK app that'll do the same |
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| 00:22.14 | unperson | Anyway, the other option is just physically wiring the speakers to all the computers. |
| 00:22.17 | helix | Klebel: /var/log/messages too |
| 00:22.22 | Klebel | k thanks |
| 00:22.32 | unperson | I was just curious if there was a geekier solution. |
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| 00:23.10 | adar | unperson: is your goal to send any kind of music/sound from any computer to those speakers? |
| 00:23.12 | sladegen | unperson: how about esd? or arts... |
| 00:23.13 | unperson | adar: Yeah, I want something that will work for more than just Linux, but otherwise a good suggestion. Anyway, I'll check out Icecast. |
| 00:23.15 | adar | or just mp3's? or just mp3's found on the debian box? |
| 00:23.52 | nevyn | ~. |
| 00:23.53 | apt | .. |
| 00:23.53 | sladegen | unperson: i read esd can broadcast sound to other esds over tcp |
| 00:23.54 | LoneWlf | unperson : networked speakers, what they won't think of next |
| 00:24.02 | NyteOwl | mwilson: what is ubunto? |
| 00:24.12 | helix | it's ubuntu |
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| 00:24.39 | unperson | adar: Ideally, any sound. However, just mp3s would probably be satifactory. The point is for the other machines to be able to play music on the target box using their local music and software, not that files and software on the target (output) box. |
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| 00:24.56 | adar | gotcha |
| 00:25.13 | adar | doesn't the gstreamer framework support something like that? |
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| 00:25.23 | adar | or like sladegen said, maybe esd |
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| 00:25.41 | puff | Hi, looks like my cron daemon silently died sometime. |
| 00:25.44 | adar | research, try it out, and if it works, write a webpage about it :P |
| 00:25.44 | unperson | sladegen: Also interesting. I think I'm using arts right now, but I could mess with esd. |
| 00:26.01 | puff | Any idea what would cause that, where to look for error messages, potential reasons? |
| 00:26.24 | helix | puff: I've seen that happen with a failed dist-upgrade |
| 00:26.41 | adar | puff: syslog ought to have cron error messages |
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| 00:26.48 | unperson | Mainly I asked because I know something I was setting up on one of my debian boxes mentioned the possibility of sharing sound over the network. |
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| 00:27.01 | unperson | Ok, well, thanks for the ideas. |
| 00:27.08 | unperson | I'll see what I can't work out. |
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| 00:27.09 | helix | !tell kronika about away |
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| 00:27.17 | SamBozo | how do I add a 2nd audio card? (want to use it only in vmware) |
| 00:27.22 | unperson | Though I'd guess the meatspace solution will be the easiest. |
| 00:27.33 | adar | unperson: try http://linux-sound.org/netaudio.html |
| 00:27.41 | adar | google for "gstreamer network sound" brought that up |
| 00:27.48 | sladegen | unperson: have fun ;) |
| 00:27.59 | Klebel | how can i verify that USB support is compiled correctly into my kernel? |
| 00:28.02 | Valium | what did nvidia guys do to avoid to taint the kernel with their bynary-only modules? |
| 00:28.10 | adar | valium: they do taint the kernel |
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| 00:28.43 | Valium | oh |
| 00:28.49 | unperson | adar: Thanks. That's a good start! |
| 00:28.51 | Valium | ok |
| 00:29.09 | Valium | i tought they had found a way to avoid kernel tainting |
| 00:29.24 | puff | helix That might be the case here, haven't dist-upgraded in a long while, but it was problematic last time. |
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| 00:29.37 | fatalblu | anyone else have deb randomly break things unrepairably? |
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| 00:29.46 | adar | valium: whenever I 'modprobe nvidia' I get a message about taining |
| 00:29.46 | Astinus | How stable is kernel-image-2.6.8-1-smp for Debian Alpha at the moment please? |
| 00:30.05 | adar | valium: and I'm using 6111 in unstable |
| 00:30.09 | Valium | adar, could you copy it here? |
| 00:30.22 | adar | valium: for some reason its not in my syslog, let me look around dmesg or messages |
| 00:30.23 | Valium | i am curious |
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| 00:30.43 | csabo2 | any of you know where i can get alsa 1.0.6 in .deb form? |
| 00:30.47 | adar | valium: pm |
| 00:30.52 | csabo2 | or know the package name so i can install via apt |
| 00:31.01 | LoneWlf | See, now I always thought that that was normal... and that kernel tainting had to do with... using a proprietary, non-free piece of software in the kernel... which nvidia module is, having come from nvidia and being under different licensing constraints |
| 00:31.10 | Astinus | Csabo2: tried apt-cache or http://packages.debian.org ?? |
| 00:31.15 | clyder | when you install woody (deb 3.0) what kernel will compact give you? |
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| 00:31.34 | csabo2 | i did try searching the cache its outdated only has 1.0.5 |
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| 00:32.10 | Astinus | csabo: You using woody, sarge or sid? |
| 00:32.11 | adar | lonewlf: it does taint, I've got taint messages |
| 00:32.27 | csabo2 | sarge |
| 00:32.29 | SamBozo | how do I add a 2nd audio card? (want to use it only in vmware) debian sid |
| 00:32.37 | LoneWlf | adar: and I'm saying that its not a problem, merely a notification |
| 00:32.40 | mwilson | adar: So? You're supposed to get a message about tainting the kernel. |
| 00:32.48 | adar | yeah, I understand that, it's not a problem |
| 00:32.50 | EfaistOs | does someone have an ati radeon 9600XT ? is it possible to install their driver because it's only in rpm format ? alien is it going to work with it ? |
| 00:32.55 | adar | perhaps I misunderstood what you were asking |
| 00:32.59 | mwilson | adar: So, the problem would be...? |
| 00:33.02 | LoneWlf | adar : hehehe |
| 00:33.07 | LoneWlf | adar : no worries |
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| 00:33.13 | clyder | how do i kill my other username? |
| 00:33.15 | adar | mwilson: there is no problem |
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| 00:33.25 | csabo2 | Astinus, any ideas? |
| 00:33.30 | Astinus | Nope. |
| 00:33.35 | csabo2 | is sarge the newest? |
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| 00:33.39 | LoneWlf | clyder : something about /msg nickserv killghost or somesuch |
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| 00:33.43 | csabo2 | i just downloaded the net install cd 2 hours ago |
| 00:33.45 | Astinus | Csabo: Sarge is testing. |
| 00:33.49 | csabo2 | yea lol |
| 00:33.50 | unperson | Addentum: In part I'm trying to get a setup similar to what the airport express does with music. http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/ |
| 00:33.51 | Astinus | Csabo: Woody is stable |
| 00:33.57 | Astinus | Csabo: Sid is unstable |
| 00:34.07 | csabo2 | im trying to get emu10kx module loaded |
| 00:34.11 | csabo2 | and its only in 1.0.6 |
| 00:34.15 | LoneWlf | clyder : if of course you're asking about irc... if you're talking about a username on a system... userdel or... deluser... man them to see |
| 00:34.32 | csabo2 | oh Astinus one more thing, why wont screen -x work? |
| 00:34.38 | clyder | thankslonewlf |
| 00:34.38 | csabo2 | i have someone logged in helping me atm and i cant see what hes doing |
| 00:34.39 | Astinus | apt-get install screen ?? |
| 00:34.41 | csabo2 | ah |
| 00:34.48 | Funk | what do i need to have the vim command? |
| 00:34.58 | csabo2 | lol didnt know it was a pack :P thanks |
| 00:34.58 | ^Ocean^ | umm vim |
| 00:35.03 | Astinus | You maybe don't have screen installed :P |
| 00:35.05 | Funk | oh, thanks |
| 00:35.21 | ^Ocean^ | try atp-get install vim |
| 00:35.22 | ^Ocean^ | :) |
| 00:35.47 | IrishKitty | anyone here use tin for usenet reading? |
| 00:35.48 | Funk | :) ty |
| 00:35.53 | csabo2 | hey Astinus i installed it |
| 00:35.56 | csabo2 | not working >< |
| 00:36.02 | csabo2 | it says attaching from inside a screen? |
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| 00:36.29 | LoneWlf | csabo2 : <ctrl>+a, d -- then try |
| 00:36.40 | Astinus | You can't screen from within a screen :P |
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| 00:37.15 | kingsley | Does linux have an alternative to DOS's "sys c:"? |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | for what? |
| 00:37.37 | adar | kingsley: what does it do? |
| 00:37.43 | LoneWlf | kingsley : what are you trying to do? |
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| 00:37.50 | abrotman | make a bootdisk? |
| 00:37.53 | ApEtc | kingsley: For making a system disk? |
| 00:38.20 | kingsley | I'm try to make a msdos partition bootable. |
| 00:38.40 | LoneWlf | kingsley : with msdos of course... |
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| 00:39.28 | kenboo | how to compile gcc2 using gcc3? |
| 00:39.37 | abrotman | arg .. it's sunday!!! |
| 00:39.43 | abrotman | why compile gcc2? |
| 00:39.59 | kenboo | i need a cross compiler for a specific target |
| 00:40.10 | LoneWlf | kingsley : an msdos partition _can_ boot linux if you use the master boot record, but there is no easy way to make an msdos partition msdos bootable using linux, you need an msdos boot disk to do that... and the 'sys.com' or 'sys.exe' command depending on version... and of course it would then have the 'command.com' and other diverse files on the floppy |
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| 00:40.20 | abrotman | kenboo: uhm .. ok .. why not just install it |
| 00:40.32 | kenboo | just install..? |
| 00:40.40 | abrotman | kenboo: which version of debian? |
| 00:40.47 | kenboo | i'm using sarge |
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| 00:41.13 | abrotman | !info gcc sarge |
| 00:41.16 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 00:41.18 | abrotman | grr |
| 00:41.33 | zbowling | i love mono... i ported my applications i've been writing to work to linux in 5 minutes... ported it (59 secs) , rewrite the interfaces in GTK# (4 min).. management thinks i have god like powers (1 sec).... |
| 00:41.39 | green-earz | kenboo: installed from the net installer ? |
| 00:41.50 | kenboo | yes |
| 00:42.06 | abrotman | !info gcc-2.95 sarge |
| 00:42.08 | dpkg | gcc-2.95: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:2.95.4-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 915 kB, Installed size: 2224 kB |
| 00:42.11 | abrotman | wheee!!! |
| 00:42.13 | deadcat | hep me please: 700mhz 256ram on both same machine with the following diff: $400 cdrw floppy wireless 20gig vs $300-$325 nocdrw nofloppy nowireless 6gig; which should i get? |
| 00:42.17 | kenboo | uh i have both gcc-2.95 and gcc-3.3 |
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| 00:42.34 | kenboo | HAVE_GCC2? is there such option? |
| 00:42.53 | adar | deadcat: an extra $100 for 14 gigs, floppy, wireless, and cd-rw? |
| 00:43.00 | adar | deadcat: get it |
| 00:43.00 | LoneWlf | deadcat : um... the $400 one of course |
| 00:43.04 | kenboo | i guess HAVE_GCC is bsd thingy. |
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| 00:43.18 | deadcat | adar: ya i was thinking that too. butr the fucker havent reply my email. |
| 00:43.31 | adar | well that answers your question for you, doesn't it? |
| 00:43.35 | deadcat | i think hes holding me up |
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| 00:44.17 | deadcat | adar: that dell and the ibook 1ghz for $700 is tempting me too hehe |
| 00:44.36 | abrotman | kenboo: have you considered invokin it directly? |
| 00:45.10 | abrotman | as in /usr/bin/gcc-2.95 |
| 00:45.26 | LoneWlf | kingsley : you vanished... is problemo solved... or do you have more detail to add to question/answers? |
| 00:45.28 | peterrooney | Why are there so many files in /var/log/ksymoops? Given the massive disk useage, why isn't there an obvious utility to clean up the directory? |
| 00:45.43 | abrotman | arg .. it's sunday! |
| 00:45.47 | kenboo | abrotman, let me set gcc-2.95 instead of plain gcc |
| 00:45.48 | maher | petemc: rm :) |
| 00:46.19 | LoneWlf | peterrooney: find /var/log/ksymoops -atime +20|xargs ls -al |
| 00:46.31 | LoneWlf | peterrooney: and if they fit specs |
| 00:46.45 | kingsley | LoneWlf: I'm still researching it, but I'll probably leave soon to reboot. |
| 00:46.49 | LoneWlf | peterrooney : find /var/log/ksymoops -atime +20|xargs rm |
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| 00:47.09 | LoneWlf | kingsley : I guess I was still not sure exactly what you were trying to do... |
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| 00:48.04 | LoneWlf | kingsley : make an msdos drive boot your linux box? or make an msdos drive be bootable that already has an os on it? or get all the msdos bootable stuff back on an msdos partition and make it bootable? |
| 00:48.30 | jp | hi |
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| 00:48.43 | kingsley | LoneWlf: I'm trying to boot an msdos partition instead of getting "This is not a bootable disk. Please insert a bootable floppy and press any key to try again..." |
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| 00:48.54 | peterrooney | LoneWlf: Thanks.. Hadn't thought of the brute force way. |
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| 00:49.01 | abrotman | kingsley: google for . msdos bootdisk |
| 00:49.25 | kingsley | LoneWlf: "make an msdos drive be bootable that already has an os on it" |
| 00:49.36 | peterrooney | LoneWlf: I wonder if there's some hidden conf file for it though. |
| 00:49.53 | LoneWlf | kingsley : something about bootdisk.com, you can get an img and then use dd if=<imgname> of=/dev/floppy |
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| 00:50.39 | LoneWlf | kingsley : but don't try that on the device itself, you'd have to have the sys command to do it right... |
| 00:50.49 | LoneWlf | kingsley : something about proprietary dos stuff |
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| 00:51.03 | Klebel | is there any packeges i need to install in order for usb to work? |
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| 00:51.12 | LoneWlf | peterrooney : there may be... I'm not sure... let me go check it out, see what I can see |
| 00:51.28 | g4lt | Klebel not particularly, but hotplug might be of use |
| 00:51.29 | adar | klebel: what are you trying to get "working"? |
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| 00:51.48 | Klebel | a digital camera |
| 00:52.00 | Klebel | but /proc/bus/usb |
| 00:52.03 | Klebel | it isnt even there |
| 00:52.03 | Funk | why can't you type ch in the command line? |
| 00:52.08 | g4lt | Klebel in that case, gimp might also be of use ;P |
| 00:52.22 | adar | klebel: there is no "/proc/bus/usb"? sounds like you haven't compiled usb into your kernel |
| 00:52.27 | Funk | huh, my h key is broken in the commandline |
| 00:52.30 | adar | klebel: or if you compiled it as modules, you haven't loaded it |
| 00:52.39 | Klebel | how do u load it? |
| 00:52.44 | Funk | and my s |
| 00:52.55 | maher | Klebel: do you have hotplug running? |
| 00:53.07 | Klebel | i dont think so |
| 00:53.10 | Klebel | how do i check? |
| 00:53.19 | maher | Klebel: dpkg -l hotplug |
| 00:53.58 | g4lt | maher if hotplug is RUNNING, ps would know.... |
| 00:54.20 | Klebel | no its not |
| 00:54.32 | maher | g4lt: yeah but installed = running unless something broke |
| 00:54.47 | maher | Klebel: install it |
| 00:55.21 | LoneWlf | peterrooney : all I've found so far is /etc/cron.d/modutils... very sad... the script it accesses doesn't exist and yet I have a history going back to infinity of something executing and filling /var/log/ksymoops with crap |
| 00:55.27 | Klebel | k done. |
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| 00:56.27 | abrotman | !sing g4lt |
| 00:56.27 | dpkg | sometimes he p4rks in h4ndic4pped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped f4ces, g4lt's 4n 4ssshoooole... |
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| 00:56.55 | g4lt | !sing abrotman |
| 00:56.56 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 00:57.18 | g4lt | abrotman just remember: I LIKE my song-factoid ;P |
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| 00:57.27 | pills | just did an apt-get upgrade and restarted, now my root password sdoesnt work... |
| 00:57.37 | g4lt | pills fool |
| 00:57.39 | Klebel | maher, now what? |
| 00:58.00 | maher | Klebel: does the camera show up in lsusb |
| 00:58.01 | peterrooney | LoneWlf: That's a charitable description of that script. Comments, folk! Is it that hard to document? |
| 00:58.09 | scarynetworkguy | MUFFINS |
| 00:58.18 | pills | g4lt? |
| 00:58.30 | Klebel | lsusb |
| 00:58.37 | Klebel | dont have that command |
| 00:58.51 | kingsley | How does one make a hard disk drive's partition "active"? |
| 00:58.54 | Abel` | hi.. i'm already mount my /dev/sda1 /camera of my digital camera.. but gphoto send me this error "*** Error (-5: 'Unknown port') ***" any idea? |
| 00:59.07 | g4lt | pills ALWAYS log out/in before restarting when you've made changes |
| 00:59.14 | csabo2 | kingsley use partition magic or a partitioning tool |
| 00:59.41 | maher | Klebel: install usbutils |
| 00:59.45 | kingsley | I'm pretty sure that a command line tool can make partitions active. |
| 00:59.54 | Funk | im so lost, does anyone know how to set up bind9 |
| 00:59.56 | sladegen | fdisk |
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| 01:00.16 | abrotman | g4lt: mine is ok .. it's better than sussudio's |
| 01:00.25 | g4lt | pills you know how to go into single user? |
| 01:00.28 | Klebel | nothing shows up in lsusb |
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| 01:00.41 | csabo2 | if screen -x doesnt show me people who are ssh'ing in what else can i use? |
| 01:00.49 | johnga1t_ | need one-liner that will display lines X through Y of a file file.txt; tried "more +X file.txt | head -n Y", but not working. any ideas? |
| 01:00.58 | maher | Klebel: is the camera on |
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| 01:01.25 | g4lt | abrotman yeah, his is a bit lacking: fhffhqvb's is better ;P |
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| 01:01.39 | sladegen | johnga1t_: man sed || awk |
| 01:01.55 | johnga1t_ | sladegen : shouldn't there be easy way w/ more & head tho? |
| 01:01.57 | Klebel | yes |
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| 01:02.41 | sladegen | johnga1t_: firs head then tail ;)) |
| 01:02.43 | maher | Klebel: is your camera supported by gphoto |
| 01:02.46 | sladegen | first* |
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| 01:03.07 | sladegen | johnga1t_: think intersection... |
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| 01:03.23 | johnga1t_ | maher : and just do the arithmetic or sumptin? |
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| 01:03.31 | jcurry | does anyone have any idea how to do networked sound with arts? |
| 01:03.48 | maher | johnga1t_: ? |
| 01:03.52 | johnga1t_ | maher: so head -nY file.txt | tail -nY-X ? |
| 01:03.54 | eyaw_nayr | what is the command to configure DHCP from the netinstall cd? It is net-somthing |
| 01:04.04 | LoneWlf | kingsley : using fdisk, set it as active |
| 01:04.10 | LoneWlf | kingsley : or 'bootable' |
| 01:04.44 | LoneWlf | peterrooney : what I found that accesses /var/log/ksymoops says basically that the kernel writes stuff there in the event that you ever want to debug the Oops stuff in the kernel |
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| 01:05.09 | LoneWlf | peterrooney : and the other stuff I've found says that you can nuke it all you want... it's written there and then forgotten, never to be remembered again |
| 01:05.17 | csabo2 | if screen -x doesnt show me people who are ssh'ing in what else can i use? |
| 01:05.30 | johnga1t_ | maher : am i missing something? is it easier? |
| 01:05.33 | maher | csabo2: don't the people who ssh in need to run screen |
| 01:05.50 | maher | johnga1t_: no idea - i'm not part of you conversration |
| 01:06.01 | abrotman | johnga1t_: does it work? |
| 01:06.13 | johnga1t_ | abrotman : you talkin bout the little flat panel unit :) ? |
| 01:06.13 | LoneWlf | peterrooney : the other thing that the manpage for insmod says... down at the bottom... is a suggested contents of /sbin/insmod_ksymoops_clean |
| 01:06.22 | johnga1t_ | abrotman : http://jake.no-ip.com/aaeon ... check out picture galleries |
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| 01:06.52 | johnga1t_ | maher : want to display lines X through Y of file.txt; will line i typed up there do it, where X and Y-X are their numerical values? |
| 01:06.53 | peterrooney | Lonewolf: I have the script it references in /sbin. |
| 01:07.05 | maher | johnga1t: duno |
| 01:07.06 | Klebel | maher: gphoto gives me an unknown device error, but it should be supported, i still think my USB doesnt work |
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| 01:07.13 | eyaw_nayr | what is the command to configure DHCP from the netinstall cd? It is net-somthing |
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| 01:07.19 | latenyte | does anyone know how to get firefox1.0PR1 through apt-get? |
| 01:07.23 | maher | Klebel: what kernel |
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| 01:07.36 | Klebel | 2.6.8.1 |
| 01:07.40 | abrotman | johnga1t: put a link for the usb stickinstaller? |
| 01:07.51 | johnga1t | abrotman : that actually iddn't work out for me. |
| 01:08.07 | johnga1t | abrotman : resorted to ripping out the HD, dumping it in other machine, throwing it back in later |
| 01:08.20 | johnga1t | abrotman : although it is link worthy as documentation of the attempt ... hold |
| 01:08.28 | michael12345 | does anyone know an alternative system to msn messenger as people at work are abusing messenger and the boss wants me to just turn it off. I would rather have something that can work internally and ideas |
| 01:08.32 | abrotman | johnga1t: oh .. that stinks |
| 01:09.02 | maher | Klebel: well i dunno why it doesn't show up in lsusb |
| 01:09.05 | peterrooney | LoneWlf: I don't exactly trust the '\;' construct in the script, though. It looks funny...peculiar. :\ |
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| 01:09.25 | Klebel | i get module errors when i boot up about USB |
| 01:09.27 | johnga1t | abrotman : werd. |
| 01:09.31 | Klebel | i dunno how to fix it though |
| 01:09.34 | johnga1t | abrotman : but debian is on! |
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| 01:09.46 | pills | g4lt im in single user mode |
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| 01:09.55 | bipolar | Does sshd have some kind of security thing that keeps it from being port forwarded with iptables? |
| 01:09.59 | FlyByte | is there anyone here tests for bugs in sarge? |
| 01:10.04 | abrotman | johnga1t: yay |
| 01:10.10 | csabo2 | whats the package called for GTK/ |
| 01:10.11 | abrotman | FlyByte: bts? |
| 01:10.11 | sladegen | johnga1t: here "sed -n 'X,Yp' file" ... you lazy mofo ;-P |
| 01:10.12 | maher | Klebel: well that might be something to do with it |
| 01:10.14 | csabo2 | i cant tell which i need to install |
| 01:10.17 | abrotman | csabo2: libgtk? |
| 01:10.20 | FlyByte | bts? |
| 01:10.21 | csabo2 | :D thanks |
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| 01:10.34 | csabo2 | its not there >< |
| 01:10.39 | abrotman | csabo2: it was a question |
| 01:10.44 | csabo2 | oh rofl |
| 01:10.45 | csabo2 | yea |
| 01:10.47 | abrotman | csabo2: apt-cache search libgtk |
| 01:10.48 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:10.48 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:10.50 | csabo2 | i need GTK for firefox |
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| 01:11.00 | johnga1t | abrotman : you got any idea how to do a one-liner that'll display lines X thru Y of a file? |
| 01:11.00 | abrotman | csabo2: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 01:11.06 | csabo2 | lol ok |
| 01:11.22 | johnga1t | abrotman : something along the lines of more +X file | head -Y |
| 01:11.24 | johnga1t | ? |
| 01:11.26 | csabo2 | this os still impresses me |
| 01:11.30 | jdrake_ | How do I add extra entries to gdm for what to start up? (in case I wanted to create my own custom desktop instead of use gnome or what ever) |
| 01:11.40 | FlyByte | thanks abrotman |
| 01:11.42 | abrotman | johnga1t: combo of tail and head? |
| 01:11.47 | sladegen | johnga1t: here "sed -n 'X,Yp' file" ... you lazy mofo ;-P |
| 01:12.07 | johnga1t | abrotman : but i need to do subtraction there, no? |
| 01:12.23 | johnga1t | abrotman : cause neither of those gives way to _start_ X into a file, right? |
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| 01:12.35 | sladegen | are you blind? |
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| 01:12.56 | abrotman | johnga1t: i thnk sladegen told you |
| 01:13.08 | johnga1t | sladegen : sorry dude. |
| 01:13.10 | clyde | ok so im re-installing debian 3.0 should i use tasksel or cancel and install extra packages with apt? |
| 01:13.12 | johnga1t | sladegen : thanks. |
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| 01:13.28 | johnga1t | sladegen : trying to avoid sed, was all. ease up. |
| 01:13.32 | sladegen | yw |
| 01:13.37 | peterrooney | LoneWlf: The script could probably (in the 'find' line) s/-atime/-amin/ for most desktop users not interested in kernel debugging. |
| 01:13.43 | sladegen | johnga1t: why? |
| 01:13.46 | csabo2 | Lol it installed firefox 0.8 |
| 01:13.47 | abrotman | johnga1t: do oyu know which lines? |
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| 01:13.55 | abrotman | csabo2: yes .. so what? |
| 01:13.57 | csabo2 | is the debian cache really outdated? i allready updated it like an hour ago |
| 01:14.02 | johnga1t | abrotman : slagden nailed it. no worries. |
| 01:14.05 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:14.19 | csabo2 | abrotman can i install a newer version? |
| 01:14.21 | johnga1t | sladegen : b/c i thought it was simple enough to do w/ combo of more, tail & head |
| 01:14.33 | abrotman | csabo2: you oculd .. but why? |
| 01:14.41 | csabo2 | umm 1.0pr is out? |
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| 01:14.58 | abrotman | csabo2: and so what? |
| 01:15.00 | clyde | ok so im re-installing debian 3.0 should i use tasksel or cancel and install extra packages with apt? |
| 01:15.10 | csabo2 | and 0.8 is old and i like to keep up on things |
| 01:15.17 | abrotman | csabo2: and you're on sarge? |
| 01:15.17 | csabo2 | clyde, its up to you :) |
| 01:15.21 | csabo2 | yea |
| 01:15.27 | csabo2 | is that bad? |
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| 01:15.42 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 01:15.45 | csabo2 | how would i mount an ntfs drive |
| 01:15.46 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox sid |
| 01:15.47 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 0.8-12 (sarge), Packaged size: 10100 kB, Installed size: 29460 kB |
| 01:15.51 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 0.9.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 9607 kB, Installed size: 28024 kB |
| 01:15.58 | abrotman | csabo2: it's not even in sid yet |
| 01:16.07 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox experimental |
| 01:16.12 | csabo2 | does sid havea newer package list? |
| 01:16.14 | latenyte | actually there is a security bog in the browser with versions less than 1.0PR1 |
| 01:16.15 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 0.9.3+cvs20040817-0.1 (experimental), Packaged size: 9719 kB, Installed size: 28392 kB |
| 01:16.15 | sladegen | johnga1t: so it would work with 'head -$Y file | tail -$(($Y-$X))" too or there about... |
| 01:16.39 | csabo2 | abrotman, how can i mount my NTFS drive? |
| 01:16.42 | csabo2 | it has all my mp3 on it |
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| 01:16.47 | abrotman | latenyte: yes .. well .. that's what you risk when you run sarge .. there are no security updates |
| 01:16.47 | clyde | csabo2 what would be easier for a first time installer? i know tasksel isnt very customisable but apt might be alot more work? what do you think? |
| 01:16.52 | abrotman | csabo2: to do what ? |
| 01:16.53 | abrotman | read ? |
| 01:16.57 | csabo2 | yea |
| 01:17.06 | abrotman | !ntfs |
| 01:17.06 | dpkg | ntfs is probably Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/ntfs |
| 01:17.06 | csabo2 | or where can read |
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| 01:17.08 | csabo2 | RTFM for me |
| 01:17.25 | abrotman | csabo2: and uhm .. if you try to write . don't expect to see your data there again |
| 01:17.31 | csabo2 | lol |
| 01:17.37 | csabo2 | i just want to read |
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| 01:17.49 | csabo2 | but i think ill not do that |
| 01:17.54 | csabo2 | since i dont want to lose anything |
| 01:18.00 | johnga1t | sladegen : thanks again. |
| 01:19.22 | csabo2 | abrot is there a way to update my pkg database to that of sid? |
| 01:19.28 | csabo2 | so i may get newer versions of apps |
| 01:19.51 | clyde | ok so im re-installing debian 3.0 should i use tasksel or cancel and install extra packages with apt? |
| 01:19.59 | csabo2 | clyde use apt |
| 01:20.18 | clyde | cheers csabo |
| 01:20.24 | clyde | cheers csabo2 sorry |
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| 01:20.47 | csabo2 | hehe :) |
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| 01:21.30 | FlyByte | has anyone else here had problems with gphoto messing up their screensaver? |
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| 01:21.47 | sAint | anyone use blackbox? |
| 01:21.56 | csabo2 | is vmware free for linux? |
| 01:21.59 | abrotman | no |
| 01:22.15 | abrotman | but there are free similiar projects |
| 01:22.18 | clyde | csabo2 do i want to delete any previously downloaded .deb files? |
| 01:22.24 | LoneWlf | peterrooney : aye... it could say -amin instead... the only thing is that it's called from a script in /etc/cron.daily, you'd want to move it to /etc/cron.hourly and also make sure that /sbin/insmod_ksymoops_clean is executable... |
| 01:22.24 | csabo2 | clyde : yes |
| 01:22.24 | abrotman | you can |
| 01:22.29 | csabo2 | since there are prolly new versions out |
| 01:22.29 | abrotman | clyde: you don't ahve to |
| 01:22.55 | abrotman | csabo2: that's irrelevant |
| 01:22.55 | pills | cafuego: you around? |
| 01:22.55 | csabo2 | not really , if theres a new version, why keep old files on there? |
| 01:22.55 | csabo2 | they are taking up space |
| 01:22.58 | abrotman | csabo2: because the new one may break? |
| 01:23.01 | LoneWlf | peterrooney : no more mess... or you could just rm -rf /var/log/ksymoops as it won't try to log anything if the directory doesn't exist |
| 01:23.01 | abrotman | ever think of that? |
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| 01:23.17 | csabo2 | abrotman, what vmware like projects are there? |
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| 01:23.30 | abrotman | csabo2: bochs .. plex86 |
| 01:23.33 | abrotman | i don't remember what they all are |
| 01:23.36 | csabo2 | i only need it to play half life , and i have 3ghz and a gb of ram so it shouldnt be that slow |
| 01:23.36 | abrotman | !vmware |
| 01:23.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, vmware is for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README |
| 01:23.39 | abrotman | hmm |
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| 01:23.47 | abrotman | !bochs |
| 01:23.47 | dpkg | methinks bochs is a free, portable x86 emulator that can run Windows, DOS, and Linux, rather slowly. Was non-free (shareware) at http://bochs.sf.net ; freemware is the effort started by the same author to do a vmware clone at http://www.freemware.org/. Bochs is now free (LGPL)!, or but it is still slow as fsck; and freemware is now plex86. Beta debs of bochs are available at ftp://rut.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/ . |
| 01:23.58 | csabo2 | meh i dont want a slow one |
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| 01:24.11 | csabo2 | because i want to run half life in it :P |
| 01:24.22 | satHan | csabo2: you want cedega from cvs |
| 01:24.25 | Gil | wine can run half-life |
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| 01:24.32 | csabo2 | is wine fast Gil |
| 01:24.35 | csabo2 | ? |
| 01:24.36 | satHan | csabo2: cedega cvs will even run steam |
| 01:24.38 | Joghurt | apt: list |
| 01:24.39 | apt | one warez list being sent |
| 01:24.39 | abrotman | !factinof bochs |
| 01:24.42 | satHan | csabo2: yeah, it works perfectly |
| 01:24.45 | abrotman | !factinfo bochs |
| 01:24.45 | dpkg | bochs -- created by mrvnH <mrvn@mose.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De> at Fri Aug 11 07:15:46 2000 (1501 days); it has been requested 17 times, last by abrotman, 58s ago. |
| 01:24.52 | abrotman | csabo2: it's an old factoid |
| 01:24.52 | Gil | csabo2: cedega i hear is good |
| 01:24.55 | csabo2 | satHan, which is faster, wine or cedega? |
| 01:24.56 | abrotman | could be fast now |
| 01:25.33 | Joghurt | !apt list |
| 01:25.33 | Joghurt | !apt moo |
| 01:25.33 | clyde | ok so is there anywhere i can learn about how to set up a server with debian? |
| 01:25.33 | abrotman | csabo2: why don't you get halflife for linux? |
| 01:25.33 | satHan | csabo2: probably cedega for half-life, i was playing c-s 1.6 earlier today on my debian box |
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| 01:25.33 | satHan | abrotman: doesn't exist, dedicated server only |
| 01:25.34 | csabo2 | abrotman, because i have a 9800 pro , and windows drivers are better and use the card |
| 01:25.34 | abrotman | but i can get halflife3 for linux?> |
| 01:25.40 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's quake |
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| 01:25.46 | csabo2 | rofl |
| 01:26.07 | satHan | sadly enough, h-l is a bastardized quake 2 engine |
| 01:26.10 | csabo2 | i dont think you can get linux to use my card as well as ATI's drivers |
| 01:26.12 | satHan | so it should work, in theory |
| 01:26.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:26.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
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| 01:26.30 | EfaistOs | csabo2, i have a 9600 xt but the driver doesnt work |
| 01:26.32 | csabo2 | satHan, which should i use wine or cedega |
| 01:26.46 | satHan | csabo2: cedega from cvs, get the WineCVS.sh script and install it |
| 01:26.50 | Hamled | blal, that's not nice :( |
| 01:26.59 | EfaistOs | deos someone have this card ? the 9600 XT working with the 3D acceleration ? |
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| 01:27.03 | csabo2 | satHan, im a linux noob , wtf is CVS besides a 24/7 pharmacy |
| 01:27.15 | satHan | csabo2: concurrent versioning system, dont worry about it |
| 01:27.21 | satHan | lemme find a link to the proggy you wanna run as user |
| 01:27.22 | satHan | k? |
| 01:27.26 | csabo2 | lol k |
| 01:27.26 | blal | Hamled: Software doesn't have feelings. Didn't you see Blade Runner? |
| 01:27.29 | LoneWlf | csabo2 : concurrent versioning system, for fresh source... |
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| 01:27.33 | csabo2 | ah :) |
| 01:27.39 | Hamled | blal >_< Still.... |
| 01:27.48 | csabo2 | so i want a wine CVS file in order to install cedega? |
| 01:27.50 | satHan | wget http://cvscedega.linux-gamers.net/WineCVS.sh |
| 01:27.52 | satHan | run dat |
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| 01:27.54 | Hamled | anyways, how would I get my terminal to have a higher resolution? |
| 01:28.00 | satHan | then chmod a+x, ./WineCVS.sh |
| 01:28.01 | satHan | and your good |
| 01:28.05 | satHan | youre* |
| 01:28.18 | blal | (I haven't been here for perhaps a year.) Does apt still give help on a variety of topics (incl. the name of packages) if /msg'd? |
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| 01:28.50 | adar | if I want to run a program to change the DPI on my mouse, and I want to run it for every session on any window manager on my computer, which uses gdm or xdm, where would I put this invocation? |
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| 01:29.21 | csabo2 | FATAL: Error inserting snd_emu10k1x (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686-smp/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1x.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 01:29.22 | adar | I've tried putting a file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d, but it's not working |
| 01:29.26 | csabo2 | wtf does that mean |
| 01:29.31 | satHan | csabo2: when did it come up? |
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| 01:29.41 | abrotman | csabo2: insmod or modprobe? |
| 01:29.57 | clyde | how do i find out what kernel im running? |
| 01:30.05 | satHan | uname -a |
| 01:30.13 | abrotman | uname -r |
| 01:30.40 | csabo2 | abrotman, modprobe |
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| 01:30.44 | csabo2 | satHan, modprobe |
| 01:30.52 | blal | adar: Why not linking ~/.xsession to .xinitrc, then editing that file? I don't remember a lot of details that are important such as whether ~/.xinitrc needs execute permission. |
| 01:31.09 | clyde | ok it says 2.2.20-compact how do i upgrade that to 2.4 that i have on these install disks? |
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| 01:31.23 | abrotman | !real kernel |
| 01:31.23 | dpkg | somebody said real kernel was The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . |
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| 01:31.35 | adar | blal: firstly, I have no ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc. Secondly, I want this to be global, for any user |
| 01:32.06 | csabo2 | satHan, how do i run the winCVS.sh file? |
| 01:32.10 | csabo2 | i dont know how to execute it |
| 01:32.14 | abrotman | adapter: update-alternatives |
| 01:32.26 | abrotman | !wincvs |
| 01:32.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wincvs is A C++ front-end for cvs distributed under GPL. http://wincvs.org |
| 01:32.30 | satHan | csabo2: bash <filename> |
| 01:32.50 | abrotman | adar: update-alternatives |
| 01:32.51 | csabo2 | ah thanks |
| 01:32.52 | blal | adar: 1) You can create one easily enough. It's the usual way of doing things. 2) I think the location of the global file which you seek is distribution-specific. Maybe /etc/X11/Xsession? It's something like that. Does that help at all? |
| 01:32.54 | csabo2 | satHan, its aksing me somthing |
| 01:33.01 | satHan | csabo2: yeah, go through the steps |
| 01:33.01 | csabo2 | do i want a profile? |
| 01:33.07 | satHan | csabo2: you want a new profile, using cedega |
| 01:33.08 | csabo2 | or change command line action |
| 01:33.19 | satHan | 1 sec, lemme find a howto site.. |
| 01:33.24 | clyde | can i wildcard the apt-get abrotman? |
| 01:33.26 | adar | blal: /etc/X11/Xsession runs everything in /etc/X11/Xsession.d, so I put a new script file into Xsession.d, but it doesn't seem to be getting called |
| 01:33.36 | abrotman | clyde: why would you want to do that? |
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| 01:33.57 | clyde | i dont know the exact kernel version on the disk |
| 01:33.58 | rares000 | you know you've been on IRC too long when you are using shift + select a song in xmms |
| 01:34.18 | abrotman | clyde: don't you have a broadband connection? |
| 01:34.20 | blal | adar: If the other files do, maybe check the permissions? Who owns the files that run successfully? Does anyone have execute permission? |
| 01:34.37 | adar | blal: good idea, I'll check that. I remember doing the editing in root, but perhaps I missed something |
| 01:34.41 | clyde | lol nope im poor i don't even have my own phoneline im using someone elses |
| 01:34.46 | abrotman | holy shit |
| 01:34.51 | abrotman | update-alternatves adar |
| 01:34.58 | abrotman | man update-alternatives |
| 01:35.06 | adar | abrotman: I just installed galternatives, I didn't have "update-alternatives" |
| 01:35.10 | adar | unless it's in /sbin or something |
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| 01:35.21 | blal | adar: It would be. |
| 01:35.25 | abrotman | adapter: bullshit |
| 01:35.26 | Dorado | how can I make a packet in iptables stop traversing the chain after it has matched a rule? |
| 01:35.27 | adar | oh, heh, damn |
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| 01:36.21 | mentor | Dorado: Give it a target. man iptables |
| 01:36.55 | abrotman | Dorado: #iptables |
| 01:36.56 | adar | update-alternatives doesn't seem to be what I want |
| 01:37.02 | Dorado | mentor: I am classifying it (-j CLASSIFY) but then it continues and may get matched again and re-classified? |
| 01:37.10 | LoneWlf | adar: um... the script you put in /etc/X11/Xsession.d ... did it's name start with a number? |
| 01:37.11 | Dorado | abrotman |
| 01:37.17 | adar | I ran it with --all, but what I'm trying to do is add something to the session launch |
| 01:37.20 | Dorado | abrotman: its a bit quiet in there :) |
| 01:37.36 | adar | 65logitech_applet-setdpi |
| 01:37.38 | adar | thats the name I gave the script |
| 01:37.51 | adar | the permissions are identical to each other script in the dir |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | Dorado: netfilter.org ? |
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| 01:38.16 | Dorado | abrotman: thanks. |
| 01:38.23 | abrotman | Dorado: that's the website for iptables |
| 01:38.28 | LoneWlf | adar : and the owner as well, I would assume... can you make it touch a file when it gets called... like... /etc/X11/myscript.date or somesuch |
| 01:38.52 | mentor | Dorado: You need to give it a final target; one of the builtins. You possibly need another chain with a classify and final target... |
| 01:38.54 | LoneWlf | adar : there is the possibility that the script is getting run and then the paramaters switched back... as they do have to be set to a default somewhere... |
| 01:38.55 | blal | apt doesn't work the way I remember it working aeons ago. Is /usr/bin/xsri in a Debian package? Also, what is the preferred way of setting an image (jpeg/gif) to the X background? |
| 01:39.00 | apt | that's too long, blal |
| 01:39.01 | adar | LoneWlf: actually, I'm looking into making it echo some stuff, which I presume will go into .xsession-errors |
| 01:39.18 | adar | LoneWlf: this applet talks directly to the hardware, there are no defaults anywhere in my system |
| 01:39.24 | abrotman | blal: packages.debian.org .. search for it |
| 01:39.29 | abrotman | !tell blal about search |
| 01:39.30 | adar | LoneWlf: it uses some vendor specific USB commands |
| 01:39.33 | abrotman | !find bin/xsri |
| 01:39.36 | clyde | how would i go about mounting a scsi cdrom ... ive never had scsi before |
| 01:39.42 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/xsri' returned no results. |
| 01:39.53 | Dorado | mentor: thanks ill look into it. |
| 01:40.13 | kingsley | Do DOS and Windows assume that /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2 are their "C" and "D" drives, respectively? |
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| 01:40.58 | blal | kingsley: Not quite. It searches each disk in the order /dev/hd[a-d][0-4] for DOS partitions. It assigns each drive letters when found. |
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| 01:41.23 | ahosie | kingsley: windows also can rename the partitions however you want to, depending on the version |
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| 01:41.43 | Funk | how do you put something into a normal .zip file? |
| 01:41.50 | blal | kingsley: Maybe you have three DOS partitions on the first drive. Maybe the first DOS partition is on your second IDE disk (primary slave). Each of those cases would produce different mappings from /dev/hd* to DOS drive letters. :) |
| 01:41.51 | Es-web | is there a command sow i can see info about my harddrive ? |
| 01:41.53 | ahosie | kingsley: and by that, of course, I mean rename them to a-z |
| 01:42.27 | kingsley | blal: Do you happen to know if it names the first DOS partitions as "C"? |
| 01:42.31 | satHan | Es-web: df |
| 01:42.38 | satHan | Es-web: hdparm |
| 01:42.57 | Funk | eh? |
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| 01:43.07 | LoneWlf | kingsley : generally speaking it does... |
| 01:43.11 | blal | kingsley: The first (to be precise) FAT32 partition that Windows finds is dubbed "C". (Although, apparently, you can manually override this.) |
| 01:43.34 | blal | kingsley: Uh, you want me to just say, "yes." |
| 01:44.03 | adar | blal, lonewlf: I screwed up the shell script |
| 01:44.12 | adar | I set a variable by doing "$BLAH=/usr/blah" |
| 01:44.17 | adar | instead of "BLAH=/usr/blah" |
| 01:44.20 | Dorado | mentor: I am unable to specify 2 x -j in the same rule, how would I classify and accept the packet? |
| 01:44.20 | Es-web | Is there a command that shows the size of the disc ? |
| 01:44.24 | LoneWlf | adar : good find... |
| 01:44.26 | abrotman | which disc? |
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| 01:44.36 | satHan | Es-web: df works great |
| 01:44.43 | adar | going to restart my session and see if it works |
| 01:44.45 | satHan | Es-web: or kinfocenter, if youre in kde |
| 01:44.48 | Funk | HELLO? |
| 01:44.49 | LoneWlf | Funk : apt-get install zip unzip |
| 01:44.51 | LoneWlf | Funk : man zip |
| 01:44.57 | Funk | ah, thanks |
| 01:45.00 | Funk | :) |
| 01:45.10 | blal | adar: Haha. Screwing up your computer is a favorite pasttime of techies. |
| 01:45.15 | Es-web | It is on a terminal sow no desktop |
| 01:45.18 | blal | adar: Haha. Screwing up one's computer is a favorite pasttime of techies. |
| 01:45.25 | kingsley | blal: Do you also happen to know if whether "FDISK /MBR" always write boot records to DOS partitions, and not to for the whole drive? |
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| 01:46.07 | peterS | kingsley: I don't think fdisk /mbr touches the partition, just the master boot record (the 512 bytes at the beginning of cylinder 0, before any partitions) |
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| 01:46.25 | mentor | Dorado: A target with a user defined chain. |
| 01:46.28 | abrotman | peterS: you're right |
| 01:46.36 | adar | drat, it still doesn't run the script |
| 01:46.47 | adar | I set the DPI to 400, I logged out, I logged back in, and it was still 400 |
| 01:46.48 | peterS | abrotman: it's not like we can RTFM because fdisk/mbr has always been undocumented (: |
| 01:47.00 | LoneWlf | kingsley : I believe you can specify c: or d: to that... but it's questionable which drive it's writing to when it does... I'd do an fdisk c: first... and make sure the partition table looked right as fdisk /mbr will overright the master boot record of the HD and not any of the partitions at all |
| 01:47.00 | blal | kingsley: I'm not sure about this, but I think "the boot record" is something which only appears on the first drive, at the beginning. It is special. "fdisk /mbr" should prevent Linux from booting. |
| 01:47.10 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. it has |
| 01:47.17 | zinx | peterS: the partition is _IN_ the master boot record... but, it doesn't modify the partitions. |
| 01:47.19 | kingsley | peterS: I'm inclined to agree, because FDISK doesn't seem to accept a drive parameter. |
| 01:47.27 | peterS | blal: indeed it will prevent linux from booting, *if* you put LILO / Grub in your MBR |
| 01:47.30 | adar | lonewlf: I found another problem. It is running the script as my user, not as root |
| 01:47.38 | adar | I thought /etc/X11/Xsession.d stuff gets run as root |
| 01:47.43 | peterS | blal: it's possible to use the MS-DOS MBR to chain-boot lilo / grub in the beginning of a linux partition |
| 01:47.51 | peterS | blal: in *that* case, fdisk/mbr shouldn't hurt |
| 01:47.57 | kingsley | blal: I think you're right. |
| 01:48.08 | Dorado | mentor: I have that, but at the end of the user defined chain (which classifies) it returns to the next rule in the POSTROUTING chain, which classifies it again. |
| 01:48.08 | LoneWlf | adar : um... if you're root when you run it... the only things that will run as root are those that are setuid root... |
| 01:48.29 | mentor | Dorado: You need to put a final target in... |
| 01:48.31 | LoneWlf | adar : and some things are, else you couldn't access the display device... or the mouse device, or, or, or... |
| 01:48.41 | adar | lonewlf: then I guess I'm back to square one. I want to run this applet that sets the DPI on my mouse, and it needs to run AFTER gdm/xdm are up, for EVERY user, as root |
| 01:48.44 | adar | what should I do? |
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| 01:48.56 | Dorado | mentor: by final target you mean accept/drop/etc? |
| 01:48.56 | LoneWlf | adar : make the script setuid root |
| 01:49.07 | rich_ | Hi |
| 01:49.12 | mentor | Dorado: Any target that stops the packaet traversing iptables. |
| 01:49.13 | LoneWlf | adar : one sec while I double check how to do that |
| 01:49.27 | kingsley | blal: I wonder if the "sys" command would create a boot record. It accepts a drive parameter. |
| 01:49.38 | Dorado | mentor: would accept/drop do this? |
| 01:49.43 | adar | lonewlf: should be chmod u+s <file> I think |
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| 01:50.03 | mentor | Dorado: yes. |
| 01:50.03 | Dorado | mentor: where would I classify packets? |
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| 01:50.23 | blal | kingsley: Nope, that's copying system files to a DOS drive. |
| 01:50.54 | mentor | Dorado: before the final target? |
| 01:50.56 | snadge | help!! i was running reiserfs on a production box for well over 2 years.. and its just crapped itself and rebooted, and is missing a whole heap of files.. will a reiserfsck fix this? do i have to reboot into single user mode, or off a rescue disk? |
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| 01:51.21 | satHan | maybe, yes, yes |
| 01:51.27 | Dorado | mentor: ahh, so I duplicate the rules, once with a classify target and once with a accept target? |
| 01:51.34 | satHan | snadge: try a knoppix disk so that you dont scribble on it any more |
| 01:51.54 | csabo2 | satHan, do your homework :P |
| 01:51.54 | mentor | snadge: If it's the root fs booting a live CD, floppy, or other rescue system would be best. |
| 01:51.56 | snadge | sathan: the guy at pipe suggested that.. he has a knoppix disk there |
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| 01:52.13 | snadge | does knoppix support reiserfsck and software raid? |
| 01:52.18 | csabo2 | yes |
| 01:52.19 | snadge | thats what im using on my root fs |
| 01:52.19 | mentor | Dorado: Or have a seperate chain that does both the classification and final target? |
| 01:52.26 | Xibit0r | Type 'make' to build skyutils library (try 'gmake' if it fails) |
| 01:52.26 | Xibit0r | dan@phwoar:~/skyutils-2.6$ make |
| 01:52.26 | Xibit0r | bash: make: command not found |
| 01:52.26 | Xibit0r | dan@phwoar:~/skyutils-2.6$ gmake |
| 01:52.26 | Xibit0r | bash: gmake: command not found |
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| 01:52.31 | g4lt | snadge didn't you read the part about Reiser suggesting a EXT2 /boot? ;P |
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| 01:52.36 | Xibit0r | fuckin kick |
| 01:52.38 | Xibit0r | anyway |
| 01:52.41 | Dorado | mentor: I think I have my head around it now, thanks heaps. |
| 01:52.41 | csabo2 | Xibit0r, you need to install gcc |
| 01:52.42 | Xibit0r | am i missing a package of some sort |
| 01:52.42 | mentor | Xibit0r: /topic. /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 01:52.45 | csabo2 | yes Xibit0r |
| 01:52.52 | snadge | okay.. if my filesystem is trashed and i have ro reinstall, what filesystem is considered fast and stable for production use? |
| 01:52.52 | Xibit0r | apt-get gcc ? |
| 01:52.59 | snadge | XFS or JFS? |
| 01:53.00 | mentor | Xibit0r: Fuckin' flooder. |
| 01:53.01 | satHan | reiserfs4!! |
| 01:53.07 | satHan | :-) |
| 01:53.07 | g4lt | Xibit0r no, the kick did EXACTLY what it was supposed to |
| 01:53.13 | Xibit0r | mentor: it was only a few lines chill out |
| 01:53.13 | mentor | satHan: Soon as it's been tested a bit more. |
| 01:53.18 | LoneWlf | adar : that's what I found chmod u+s <filename> |
| 01:53.23 | csabo2 | try apt-get install gcc |
| 01:53.28 | blal | Xibit0r: "apt-get install gmake" should do it. |
| 01:53.28 | snadge | well.. i could just continue to use reiserfs, i mean, its worked for me with no problems for years |
| 01:53.30 | mentor | Xibit0r: It was 4 too many, on a high traffic channel. |
| 01:53.32 | adar | lonewlf: small problem though, this script isn't executed, it's sourced |
| 01:53.33 | snadge | it just decided to crap itself |
| 01:53.34 | csabo2 | hey satHan since youre here, can you help with an alsa error? |
| 01:53.38 | mentor | Xibit0r: Please follow the channel rules. |
| 01:53.42 | satHan | csabo2: heh heh alright |
| 01:53.45 | adar | lonewlf: "source <blah>" will not elevate <blah> to root |
| 01:53.45 | csabo2 | WARNING: Error inserting snd_pcm (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686-smp/kernel/sound/acore/snd-pcm.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 01:53.46 | csabo2 | FATAL: Error inserting snd_emu10k1x (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686-smp/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1x.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 01:53.55 | abrotman | csabo2: stop |
| 01:54.04 | abrotman | !b-e Xibit0r |
| 01:54.05 | dpkg | Xibit0r: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 01:54.05 | dondelelcaro | csabo2: the module you are trying to load is not built against the currently running kernel. |
| 01:54.09 | mentor | csabo2: What do you think you should do? |
| 01:54.09 | abrotman | csabo2: make is no part of gcc |
| 01:54.32 | lbarroso | the best i have used so far is Knoppix |
| 01:54.33 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: in a strage parallel universe, maybe... |
| 01:54.39 | csabo2 | dondelelcaro, how do i fix that? |
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| 01:54.57 | Xibit0r | k, getting build-essential now |
| 01:54.58 | mentor | !be $1 is <reply>see cmd: s-e (.*?) |
| 01:54.58 | dpkg | okay, mentor |
| 01:55.01 | mentor | !be me |
| 01:55.02 | dpkg | see cmd: s-e (.*?) |
| 01:55.02 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yeah . but csabo2 is telling Xibit0r to get it .. and he's damn wrong |
| 01:55.03 | dondelelcaro | csabo2: you actually run 2.6.8-1-686-smp; and it works. |
| 01:55.03 | LoneWlf | adar : I just noticed that myself... |
| 01:55.07 | Xibit0r | gmake is no such package by the way |
| 01:55.08 | mentor | no such look :) |
| 01:55.10 | csabo2 | yes dondelelcaro im in it right now |
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| 01:55.13 | mentor | s/oo/uc/ |
| 01:55.13 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: exactly... |
| 01:55.28 | mentor | ~tell Xibit0r about search |
| 01:55.29 | abrotman | Xibit0r: apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:55.34 | mentor | ~tell Xibit0r about dug |
| 01:55.35 | LoneWlf | adar : so another guess into the wild blue yonder... |
| 01:55.36 | dondelelcaro | csabo2: are you using modprobe snd_emu10k1x ? |
| 01:55.47 | dondelelcaro | !find snd-emu10k1x.ko |
| 01:55.58 | csabo2 | yes |
| 01:55.59 | LoneWlf | adar : put an & at the end of the line in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc that says . /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 01:56.03 | csabo2 | i am |
| 01:56.08 | adar | lonewlf: ideally, is there some file/directory that gdm/xdm will source upon loading, as root? |
| 01:56.09 | dondelelcaro | csabo2: and what does uname -r; return |
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| 01:56.12 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'snd-emu10k1x.ko' returned no results. |
| 01:56.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i dont think that is the module name? |
| 01:56.24 | LoneWlf | adar : and add a line that executes your script... "exec <full path to script> &" |
| 01:56.32 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's obviously not... ;-) |
| 01:56.35 | csabo2 | 2.6.8-1-686-smp |
| 01:56.49 | Xibit0r | thanks boiz got make working now :) |
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| 01:57.11 | LoneWlf | adar : that way, the same script that calls Xsession calls your script as well... |
| 01:57.17 | csabo2 | dondelelcaro, ? |
| 01:57.21 | adar | right, and with setuid root it'll run as root |
| 01:57.30 | LoneWlf | adar : right |
| 01:57.47 | LoneWlf | adar : the other thing you could do... is make the script that is sourced, call another script that was setuid root |
| 01:58.17 | LoneWlf | adar : neatly keeping it to a 3rd party script that doesn't play with the scripts that are on the system and also bypasses the sourcing issue |
| 01:58.27 | LoneWlf | adar : I dunno... play with it and see what actually works... |
| 01:58.28 | adar | I just wonder if there is a better way to do this, isn't there a place where I can make "any desktop manager (xdm/gdm/kdm)" call a script file? isn't there a generic thing like that? |
| 01:58.42 | LoneWlf | adar : mayhap... |
| 01:58.50 | adar | ahh, that last solution seems best so far |
| 01:58.56 | adar | since it messes least with the existing framework |
| 01:59.07 | LoneWlf | adar : that would require more google work, but ... like I have anything better to do atm |
| 01:59.10 | csabo2 | can someone who isnt full of them selfs possibly help? |
| 01:59.18 | satHan | csabo2: what do you need? |
| 01:59.20 | csabo2 | when i do MP snd-emu10kx it says module isnt there, yet i know it is |
| 01:59.30 | csabo2 | because i allready compiled and installed alsa 1.0.6 |
| 01:59.47 | satHan | csabo2: hmm, not sure that alsa would add the kernel module in |
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| 01:59.56 | satHan | csabo2: did you config the kernel yourself? |
| 02:00.02 | csabo2 | nah |
| 02:00.09 | csabo2 | buddy is on ssh he did it |
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| 02:00.21 | csabo2 | screen -x is broke or i could tell you where hes at |
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| 02:00.26 | csabo2 | but i know he allready compiled it |
| 02:00.33 | satHan | csabo2: ok, so go into the source directory and make xconfig |
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| 02:00.45 | satHan | csabo2: check the alsa options and make sure he didnt miss your sound card |
| 02:00.55 | Epilog | hi there |
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| 02:01.31 | LoneWlf | adar : after 2 min of googling, yes... the last thing I thought of, if it actually works as advertised is the best of breed as it actually utilizes the existing framework and doesn't play with it... they even suggest that you add things into /etc/X11/Xsession.d online... in 2 places at least |
| 02:01.33 | cirdan | hey all |
| 02:01.41 | csabo2 | satHan, hes saying you dont have to touch the kernel config |
| 02:01.50 | cirdan | i'm having major usb problems on my box suddenly |
| 02:01.52 | csabo2 | (22:01:47) Rafael: don't have to touch the kernel config |
| 02:01.52 | csabo2 | (22:01:57) Rafael: EMU10K1X (Dell OEM Version) |
| 02:01.57 | cirdan | getting errors like :usb.c: error getting string descriptor 0 (error=-108) |
| 02:02.09 | cirdan | any ideas how i can debug it? |
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| 02:02.29 | satHan | csabo2: alright. your getting a module error though, so its *something* with the kernel |
| 02:02.33 | cirdan | and a few seg faults it seems: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000048 |
| 02:02.41 | cirdan | when restarting hotplug |
| 02:03.02 | cirdan | would moving to a 2.6.x kernel help, ya think? |
| 02:03.03 | LoneWlf | kingsley : you still out there? |
| 02:03.14 | LoneWlf | kingsley : apparently... name-tab worked... |
| 02:03.17 | csabo2 | hes pretty stubborn |
| 02:03.19 | csabo2 | hes prolly wrong |
| 02:03.34 | LoneWlf | kingsley : to relate a previous experience with multi-booting, which is what it looks as if you're attempting... |
| 02:03.48 | kingsley | LoneWlf: I'm here. |
| 02:03.51 | satHan | csabo2: no harm in at least looking a the config, and making sure your card is there |
| 02:04.16 | LoneWlf | kingsley : if you do an fdisk /mbr then the boot-loader for dos goes onto your mbr |
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| 02:04.47 | adar | lonewlf, is this proper syntax for calling an external script: "exec /usr/local/sbin/setdpi.sh" |
| 02:04.48 | LoneWlf | kingsley : but you can boot your dos partition, if it has the system files on it, from a 3rd party (lilo, grub, or even BSD) boot-loader |
| 02:04.50 | gaasfet | whats the utility name to configure X? |
| 02:05.07 | satHan | gaasfet: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:05.07 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 02:05.17 | gaasfet | satHan, thanks |
| 02:05.19 | cirdan | hmm |
| 02:05.38 | LoneWlf | adar : should be... depending of course on the shell you're using... you can also drop the 'exec ' and just state the script and have it assume execution which is what it does when you drop the '. ' |
| 02:05.59 | adar | hmm, I just did "source 65logitech" and it closed my gnome-terminal |
| 02:06.04 | Dorado | mentor: that worked a treat, thanks heaps, what I ended up doing was changing my script to -I instead of -A when adding and had a -j ACCEPT at the end. Thanks again. |
| 02:06.07 | adar | I assume it ran the new shell in the old one's address space |
| 02:06.13 | csabo2 | hey satHan lol i have no kernel source |
| 02:06.29 | satHan | csabo2: nifty. did your friend do an apt-get install kernel-image-xxx by any chance? |
| 02:06.37 | csabo2 | satHan, i did that :) |
| 02:06.38 | LoneWlf | kingsley : if it doesn't have the system files on it... then you have to make a boot disk... and now we come back to what is the exact end that you are looking for? |
| 02:06.44 | csabo2 | i installed 2.6.8-1 when i first got debian installed |
| 02:06.57 | satHan | csabo2: hmm... |
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| 02:07.08 | kingsley | LoneWlf: "make an msdos drive be bootable that already has an os on it" |
| 02:07.25 | LoneWlf | kingsley : I'm back with you... |
| 02:08.04 | LoneWlf | kingsley : do you want any other drives to be bootable and what happened when you did the fdisk /mbr? |
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| 02:08.52 | offroadgeek | i'm running sarge on my pbook... how do I reset the time (or set it to use ntp?) |
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| 02:09.16 | satHan | offroadgeek: apt-get install ntp? |
| 02:09.16 | kingsley | LoneWlf: I haven't tried "fdisk /mbr" and I want grub to be able to boot windows98 on /dev/hda1 and linux on /dev/hda2. |
| 02:09.18 | BillBob | Quick regex quesion, in Perl is there anyway to combine multiple search and replaces on one line, like $bob=~(s/bob/bill/g) && (s/bluetick/hound/g); ??? |
| 02:09.35 | BillBob | That one doesn't work, first regex hits, second never matched... |
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| 02:09.44 | offroadgeek | sathan: thanks! |
| 02:10.12 | gamerscomplete | whats the ifconfig command to have it refresh the IP back to dynamic? I set it to a static address and now its not working on the internet through my network so i want it to go back to dynamic but it wont now |
| 02:10.13 | adar | lonewlf: having some problems. The script isn't running as root. Permissions are -rwsr-xr-x root:staff |
| 02:10.17 | adar | lonewlf see anything wrong? |
| 02:10.30 | satHan | BillBob: make it two seperate statements? why do you want them to be combined? |
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| 02:11.35 | BillBob | satHan, It's for a coworker, basically he migh have a lot, like 10 different patterns to search and replace, I suggested slapping them in an array, do one regex to match key for array value, he thought that was too confusing... |
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| 02:11.47 | satHan | hmm |
| 02:12.22 | abrotman | BillBob: #perl? |
| 02:12.38 | adar | I just dropped an "echo `whoami`" into the top of the script. When I run it, it says "adar", when root runs it, "root" |
| 02:12.47 | adar | why isn't the setuid working properly? |
| 02:13.09 | LoneWlf | adar : no... chmod u+s results in permissions like you displayed... and all I can say right atm is that that isn't the right way to do it, and I'll need to research some more |
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| 02:13.32 | LoneWlf | kingsley : so... using grub, we'll want a menu.1st that looks like... can I msg you? |
| 02:13.38 | BillBob | satHan, Yeah, thats what I said also... I'll tell him that or sonthing... I don't think having 10 s(//g) all && on one line is that good.. |
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| 02:14.13 | kingsley | LoneWlf: Feel free, but I happen to have a menu.lst that worked. |
| 02:14.27 | BillBob | abrotman, Didn't know there was one here! thanks |
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| 02:14.59 | LoneWlf | kingsley : that worked to do everything that you wanted? where is what you wanted broken? |
| 02:15.07 | gamerscomplete | no one knows how to refresh a IP to dynamic? |
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| 02:15.23 | satHan | gamerscomplete: you mean like ip from a dhcp server? |
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| 02:15.51 | kingsley | LoneWlf: I'm trying to boot the msdos partition, instead of getting "This is not a bootable disk. Please insert a bootable floppy and press any key to try again..." |
| 02:16.08 | gamerscomplete | yes sathan? |
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| 02:16.30 | satHan | gamerscomplete: theres a proggy to re-run your install time network config, but i forget it's name |
| 02:16.49 | gamerscomplete | :( |
| 02:16.56 | louieB | I TRIED MANDRAKE AND I THINK I WROTE OVER MICROSOFT!!! |
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| 02:17.05 | abrotman | louieB: good |
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| 02:17.26 | g4lt | louieB and this has to do with debian how precisely, and TURN OFF YOUR FUCKING CAPSLOCK |
| 02:17.35 | Funk | im trying to install something and keep getting |
| 02:17.39 | abrotman | g4lt: aw .. i was gonna play :) |
| 02:17.44 | louieB | HAHAHA LOL NO BUT I TRIED TO USE AN IMAGE I MADE A WHILE AGO AND I CANT USE MY USB KEYBOARD IN DOS |
| 02:17.46 | Funk | netloony: line 3: java: command not found |
| 02:17.52 | adar | he's right, www.microsoft.com doesn't work anymore |
| 02:17.57 | Funk | do i need to install something? |
| 02:18.05 | abrotman | louieB: sorry bout your luck .. go tell mandrake |
| 02:18.26 | cirdan | well...anyone know why i cannot cat /proc/bus/usb* |
| 02:18.33 | louieB | IM NEW TO LINUX - GOT I AM GLAD I FOUND MYWAY OUT OF THE HELL OF WINDOWS |
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| 02:18.38 | cirdan | even the tab-completion freezes |
| 02:18.42 | g4lt | Funk yeah, you have to install a j2re |
| 02:18.43 | cirdan | not even a kill -9 can kill it |
| 02:18.44 | satHan | louieB: lose the caps lock please |
| 02:18.49 | Funk | ah, thanks g4lt |
| 02:18.53 | g4lt | !tell funk about java |
| 02:18.59 | louieB | OH SORRY |
| 02:19.04 | helloyo | has anyone here tried kde 3.3 in sarge? |
| 02:19.06 | abrotman | can we get a +q wah wah! |
| 02:19.08 | louieB | there ya go |
| 02:19.13 | abrotman | oh .. darn |
| 02:19.21 | satHan | helloyo: it works great in sid :-) |
| 02:19.26 | g4lt | !tell helloyo about polls |
| 02:19.34 | cirdan | hmm |
| 02:19.36 | helloyo | oh, sorry |
| 02:19.39 | abrotman | !info kdebase sarge |
| 02:19.42 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.2.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 02:19.43 | louieB | hey this may sound dumb but like how do you insall programs on linux? |
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| 02:19.47 | helloyo | just wondering if kde 3.3 would work, can you install come sid packages in sarge? |
| 02:19.51 | abrotman | helloyo: it's not in sarge |
| 02:19.56 | abrotman | !bobbitt |
| 02:19.56 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 02:19.59 | satHan | louieB: if you have mandrake, you're in the wrong channel |
| 02:20.03 | g4lt | louieB ask #mandrake |
| 02:20.05 | Slartibartfast | is anyone willing to help me recompile my kernel? |
| 02:20.08 | louieB | no I dont |
| 02:20.10 | helloyo | i see... |
| 02:20.17 | abrotman | louieB: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:20.20 | adar | gah this is ridiculous. I have a script, called "test.sh". Permissions are -rwsr-xr-x root:root. All it does is "echo `whoami`". When I run it as root, it says "root. When I run it as adar, it says "adar". Why doesn't the setUID bit kick in and make it say "root"? |
| 02:20.22 | abrotman | louieB: what does it say? |
| 02:20.27 | g4lt | helloyo why not just use sid? |
| 02:20.35 | helloyo | not sure if i should risk it... |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | well .. can't you wait till kde3.3 hits sarge? |
| 02:21.03 | louieB | well it basicly is the open with box like in windows - I am trying to instal GAIM |
| 02:21.06 | helloyo | i guess, does that usually take long? |
| 02:21.07 | abrotman | louieB: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:21.09 | abrotman | louieB: what does it say? |
| 02:21.21 | satHan | louieB: apt-get install gaim |
| 02:21.29 | g4lt | louieB /exec -o cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:21.38 | mrwill | adar: that's a interesting problem. I'm guessing that forking processes from a setuid process doesn't keep the setuid. |
| 02:21.44 | g4lt | abrotman I prefer my version ;) |
| 02:21.48 | abrotman | g4lt: :) |
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| 02:22.03 | louieB | lol I have no idea what your refering too.... |
| 02:22.04 | adar | mrwill: is there no way to expect to run a shell script with setUID? |
| 02:22.11 | abrotman | louieB: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:22.16 | abrotman | it's not hard .. |
| 02:22.17 | mrwill | adar: you are running it with setuid. |
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| 02:22.26 | g4lt | louieB just do it in your IRC client: /exec -o cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:22.27 | adar | mrwill: but obviously it's not working |
| 02:22.38 | mrwill | adar: but when you 'echo whoami' you fork another process to execute whoami, and that is not setuid. |
| 02:22.46 | mrwill | adar: at least, that is my guess. |
| 02:23.21 | satHan | adar: so try adding a su -c "echo whoami" |
| 02:23.25 | satHan | and see if that works in the script |
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| 02:23.50 | abrotman | louieB: don't /msg me |
| 02:24.01 | g4lt | louieB what's taking you so long? |
| 02:24.04 | abrotman | louieB: type this "/exec -o cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 02:24.09 | abrotman | in this IRC window |
| 02:24.16 | Slartibartfast | what do i need as far as files go to compile a fresh 2.6.7 kernel (the problem is my sound is not working and I was earlier directed that recompiling my kernel will be benificial |
| 02:24.22 | louieB | um...where? |
| 02:24.26 | abrotman | in this IRC window |
| 02:24.36 | abrotman | where you type normally |
| 02:24.37 | xarg | I am having a problem getting sound to work. emu10k1 sound and soundcore all load properly but esd doesn't seem to start? |
| 02:24.38 | satHan | Slartibartfast: copy your config file out of /boot, and use that |
| 02:24.40 | louieB | 3.1 |
| 02:24.43 | satHan | Slartibartfast: with make oldconfig |
| 02:24.50 | g4lt | damme, sarge no less |
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| 02:25.08 | abrotman | g4lt: i'm still skeptical |
| 02:25.14 | louieB | ???? |
| 02:25.22 | satHan | hey, what's a good price for a p3 300mhz, with dual 3gig drives and 200 megs of ram? |
| 02:25.26 | abrotman | apt-get install gaim .. as root |
| 02:25.27 | g4lt | louieB in that case, man apt-get |
| 02:25.32 | xarg | also ... do I need scsi emu in kernel to use IDE CD burner? |
| 02:25.34 | LoneWlf | adar : it looks like making something setuid root isn't as easy as advertised, the best I could find is a wrapper script where you make the script you are executing readable and executable only by root and then you write a c program that you make setuid root... the os knows a script is a script and won't escalate the priveleges unless it's a binary? I'm really non-plussed by this process |
| 02:25.36 | mrwill | satHan: I'd pay $10. |
| 02:25.38 | abrotman | satHan: you can't get 200MB RAM |
| 02:25.53 | adar | woah |
| 02:25.59 | adar | it really shouldn't be that complicated |
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| 02:26.07 | adar | I'm almost certain that I've used setuid root on shell scripts before |
| 02:26.13 | abrotman | satHan: really .. about 25$ |
| 02:26.14 | g4lt | abrotman you can, it's a bit weird configuration, but plausible |
| 02:26.18 | dan2 | is anyone here an electrical engineer who can explain why 5.8 ghz phones suck |
| 02:26.24 | satHan | abrotman: yeah its 192 megs.. |
| 02:26.25 | klex | i have compiled kernel 2.6.6 "the debian way". But i think i have missed something. I get this message: checking if image is initramfs...it isn't (ungzip failed); looks like an initrd |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | g4lt: yeah . 128+64+8 |
| 02:26.28 | satHan | abrotman: thats all? |
| 02:26.29 | klex | Freeing initrd memory: 458k freed |
| 02:26.34 | Slartibartfast | sathan: ok thanks Ill work on that |
| 02:26.35 | satHan | awesome.. |
| 02:26.36 | abrotman | satHan: if you're lucky |
| 02:26.39 | mrwill | abrotman: it's like ebay, but irc... |
| 02:26.48 | g4lt | !msg |
| 02:26.48 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 02:26.54 | jdrake_ | is there a way I can select gcc 3.3 temporarily to compile something instead of the 3.4 I am using right now? I tried CC=gcc-3.3 before configure, but no work |
| 02:26.55 | joe|code | Are you able to update debians packages from the 3 release to current packages if need be? |
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| 02:27.04 | adar | mrwill: forked processes take the effective UID of their parent process |
| 02:27.05 | joe|code | I mean is the package database updated |
| 02:27.08 | g4lt | louieB do it again, and I /ignore |
| 02:27.10 | abrotman | g4lt: did he msg you? |
| 02:27.14 | satHan | gonna get me a counter-strike server :-) |
| 02:27.15 | adar | mrwill: so echo `whoami` will receive UID 0 if the parent is UID 0 |
| 02:27.16 | g4lt | abrotman yep |
| 02:27.23 | abrotman | !tell louieB about guidelines |
| 02:27.31 | louieB | 3.1 |
| 02:27.37 | adar | mrwill: and bash has the internal variable $EUID which prints the effective UID, so I didn't even need echo `whoami` |
| 02:27.41 | klex | hm |
| 02:27.45 | g4lt | louieB we got your version, man apt-get |
| 02:27.47 | Funk | g4lt, the j2sdk? |
| 02:27.48 | abrotman | g4lt: i'm tempted to ctcp |
| 02:28.00 | g4lt | Funk it's in the same place... |
| 02:28.08 | g4lt | !tell funk about java install |
| 02:28.09 | mrwill | adar: ok, so it really does work as expected. sorry, just trying to invent an explanation for the behavior you were seeing. |
| 02:28.24 | abrotman | you mean install java? |
| 02:28.28 | g4lt | !tell funk about install java |
| 02:28.28 | Funk | !tell g4lt about install java |
| 02:28.34 | Funk | :) i know |
| 02:28.34 | g4lt | abrotman yeah |
| 02:28.50 | csabo2 | how do i change resolutions in KDE? |
| 02:29.04 | mrwill | adar: thought setuid might be a special case or something. |
| 02:29.04 | louieB | Im sorry what do you mean by "man apt-get"? |
| 02:29.11 | g4lt | Funk j2sdk is for developers: the sdk is for software Development Kit. |
| 02:29.21 | csabo2 | louieB, type it at bash |
| 02:29.41 | klex | man man |
| 02:29.45 | klex | :P |
| 02:29.47 | Funk | its the only one i saw, will that work though? |
| 02:29.59 | abrotman | g4lt: can't we make dpkg ctcp him? |
| 02:30.01 | satHan | louieB: open up the 'konsole' from the kde bar |
| 02:30.03 | g4lt | Funk it's using a sledgehammer to swat a fly, but yeah |
| 02:30.13 | Funk | cool |
| 02:30.16 | csabo2 | satHan, how do i cahnge my resolution |
| 02:30.20 | csabo2 | in kde |
| 02:30.25 | csabo2 | the kdebar link is dead >< |
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| 02:30.40 | g4lt | abrotman CTCP says xchat |
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| 02:30.48 | klex | sabo2 ctrl+alt +/- |
| 02:30.48 | abrotman | just xchat? |
| 02:30.51 | abrotman | or win32 xchat? |
| 02:30.58 | satHan | csabo2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 02:31.09 | satHan | csabo2: and then use the program 'krandrtray' in kde to change it |
| 02:31.14 | satHan | csabo2: after you restart X |
| 02:31.17 | louieB | ok? |
| 02:31.20 | abrotman | g4lt: i don't even remember what he was trying to do |
| 02:31.24 | g4lt | abrotman xchat on linux 2.6.7 |
| 02:31.44 | Funk | g4lt, it still says rpm -iv j2sdk-1_4_2_<version>-linux-i586.rpm |
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| 02:31.47 | Funk | shoot |
| 02:31.56 | Funk | still says netloony: line 3: java: command not found |
| 02:31.57 | abrotman | !java install |
| 02:32.03 | abrotman | !install java |
| 02:32.03 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Download a Java runtime or dev-kit package in .bin (self-extracting shell script) format from java.sun.com. Install that as root with "cd /usr/local; sh /path/to/jwhatever.bin". Make /usr/local/bin/java (and javac if it's a dev-kit) symlinks to the corresponding programs in /usr/local/jwhatever/bin. Now ask me about <mozilla java>. See also <mpkg-j2se> or even better <j2se-package>. |
| 02:32.05 | g4lt | Funk in that case, you don't have the blackdown debs |
| 02:32.05 | Funk | install java |
| 02:32.17 | Funk | blackdown? |
| 02:32.21 | csabo2 | should i just choose vesa? |
| 02:32.23 | g4lt | !blackdown |
| 02:32.23 | dpkg | blackdown kicks ass; they're java people for linux -- http://www.blackdown.org, or a group of Sun Java products ported to Linux by the Blackdown development team. Get it at http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html, or most mirrors have aptable sections, or a group of folks who signed NDA's with Sun and got the JDK source code. they ported it to linux and put it up on blackdown.org, or ask me about get-blackdown |
| 02:32.26 | aveng0 | anybody know what to do if a kde (qt 3.2) app comes up with font that all appear as squares? |
| 02:32.27 | csabo2 | considering the 9800 isnt supported |
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| 02:32.43 | g4lt | csabo2 use radeon |
| 02:32.49 | csabo2 | ive done that before |
| 02:32.51 | csabo2 | it didnt work |
| 02:32.59 | csabo2 | is it working for you? |
| 02:33.11 | Funk | unc.edu :) should be fast, 10 feet away |
| 02:33.12 | g4lt | csabo2 I have a 7000 ;) |
| 02:33.12 | abrotman | aveng0: #debian-kde |
| 02:33.21 | aveng0 | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:33.35 | g4lt | csabo2 what version of Debian you using? |
| 02:33.42 | csabo2 | not really sure |
| 02:33.46 | csabo2 | i got the sarge build |
| 02:33.48 | csabo2 | the latesst |
| 02:33.50 | csabo2 | i think the 19th |
| 02:34.03 | csabo2 | as in the 19th of today |
| 02:34.06 | csabo2 | erm yesterday |
| 02:34.10 | g4lt | csabo2 I think they have a newer xorg build in experimental.... |
| 02:34.19 | abrotman | g4lt: not likely |
| 02:34.29 | abrotman | !info xserver-xfree86 experimental |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg experimental |
| 02:34.56 | g4lt | abrotman maybe it's in straight sid... |
| 02:34.59 | csabo2 | g4lt, what do you mean ? |
| 02:35.01 | abrotman | g4lt: nope |
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| 02:35.06 | g4lt | !info xserver-xfree86 sid |
| 02:35.09 | csabo2 | what does xorg have to do with my 9800 =\ |
| 02:35.12 | csabo2 | im confused |
| 02:35.15 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 5533 kB, Installed size: 15480 kB |
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| 02:35.25 | mwilson | xorg isn't even in experimental yet, I think. |
| 02:35.28 | adar | lonewlf: it appears that most linux systems do not honor setUID on shell scripts because they are extremely difficult if not impossible to secure |
| 02:35.34 | g4lt | csabo2 it's a newer X, therfore might have the right driver |
| 02:35.39 | toresbe | mwilson: Any word on the time schedule? |
| 02:35.52 | mwilson | toresbe: Can't say as I care, don't pay attention to it. |
| 02:35.54 | toresbe | mwilson: I hear rumours of Good Things to come |
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| 02:36.04 | mwilson | toresbe: I'm hardly going to die if I don't have useless eye candy. |
| 02:36.08 | g4lt | mwilson I guess that apt-listchanges misled me then, because I swore there was a new X as of like last week |
| 02:36.17 | Funk | g4lt, what do i download from the blackdown site? |
| 02:36.18 | mwilson | g4lt: Isn't that -7 ? |
| 02:36.19 | Juz_visiting | if I have an item commented out in /etc/modules why is it showing as loaded with lsmod 2.4.27 kernel on sid |
| 02:36.28 | MGSsancho | whats a good filesystem for boot partition? |
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| 02:36.36 | Funk | ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian/dists/woody/ |
| 02:36.39 | toresbe | mwilson: I'm more for the whole "being able to switch to a text VT without fucking over the whole display" feature I hear is coming :P |
| 02:36.45 | g4lt | mwilson yeah, but -7 has some stuff stolen from xorg, including the ati driver |
| 02:36.45 | abrotman | ext2 |
| 02:36.49 | MGSsancho | thanks |
| 02:36.56 | g4lt | Funk j2re |
| 02:37.02 | mwilson | toresbe: Oh, you mean the feature that's been there since 3.xx somewhere. |
| 02:37.15 | toresbe | mwilson: Not on my driver, it ain't ;) |
| 02:37.18 | Funk | i... seem to be missing that |
| 02:37.20 | g4lt | toresbe ATI? |
| 02:37.24 | mwilson | toresbe: Then get a fixed driver. |
| 02:37.35 | toresbe | g4lt: no, it's an obscure siliconmotion card |
| 02:37.44 | abrotman | toresbe: i'd settle for being able to switch to another VT |
| 02:37.49 | Funk | oh ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/JDK-1.4.2/i386/rc1/ |
| 02:37.57 | g4lt | toresbe ...and you think they're going to fix it any time soon in xorg? |
| 02:38.05 | Juz_visiting | if I have an item commented out in /etc/modules why is it showing as loaded with lsmod 2.4.27 kernel on sid |
| 02:38.11 | mwilson | I've seen all the silly-season screen shots, and they leave me tepid at best. |
| 02:38.14 | g4lt | Funk use the apt source |
| 02:38.17 | abrotman | Juz_visiting: something may depend on it |
| 02:38.21 | mrwill | Juz_visiting: because module autoloading is turned on? |
| 02:38.28 | mwilson | Juz_visiting: Because something loaded it, of course. |
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| 02:38.40 | Juz_visiting | autoloading? in kernel ? |
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| 02:38.52 | mwilson | Juz_visiting: For many years now. |
| 02:39.04 | toresbe | g4lt: I hear they are, actually |
| 02:39.08 | mrwill | Juz_visiting: well, with that enabled, if I understand right, then programs can request modules be loaded. |
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| 02:39.15 | Juz_visiting | so it adds all modules even if not in /etc/modules ? |
| 02:39.18 | LoneWlf | adar: I've looked at a couple of different websites... and they reference what is called a 'race condition' that is... when you execute a script you are executing an interpreter... and between the time you execute bash as root using setuid and it starts executing your script, a really smart hacker could subsitute another script utilizing this 'race condition'... essentially beating the OS to the punch and compromising your system there fore, no |
| 02:39.22 | mrwill | Juz_visiting: not all modules, gracious no! |
| 02:39.29 | xarg | if nothing is using /dev/dsp should cat /some/wav/file > /dev/dsp make a sound? |
| 02:39.32 | mwilson | Juz_visiting: No, it auto-loads modules, as you were told. |
| 02:39.39 | LoneWlf | adar: now I did find the source to a very simple binary out there that you could steal and modify if you feel up to it |
| 02:39.42 | Juz_visiting | hmmm |
| 02:39.42 | abrotman | xarg: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sdp |
| 02:39.45 | abrotman | xarg: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 02:40.07 | mrwill | Juz_visiting: like if a program wants a module, it will ask the kernel to load it, and the kernel will. |
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| 02:40.36 | Juz_visiting | k |
| 02:40.37 | g4lt | xarg actually, it natively plays .au files... |
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| 02:40.50 | abrotman | yay .au |
| 02:40.51 | abrotman | !.au |
| 02:40.51 | dpkg | .au is, like, australia |
| 02:40.54 | abrotman | dpkg: you lie |
| 02:40.54 | dpkg | i don't know, abrotman |
| 02:41.13 | Juz_visiting | how do I get 2 sound cards (both are seen in lsmod .. so one is dsp0 and the other is dsp1 ?? |
| 02:41.15 | abrotman | !.au is also the Sun Audio format iirc |
| 02:41.15 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 02:41.23 | abrotman | but .. i could be wrong |
| 02:41.33 | xarg | g4lt: I am just trying to figure out if my snd works. |
| 02:41.39 | xarg | but esd refuses to start |
| 02:41.45 | toresbe | abrotman: Nope, it's true |
| 02:41.51 | toresbe | abrotman: You lien't! |
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| 02:42.28 | ABO | xarg: probaby running a 2.6.8 kernel... uses alsa. gnome by default installs libesd0, not libesd0-alsa. |
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| 02:42.52 | toresbe | ABO: The emulation should still make it work |
| 02:43.02 | satHan | (22:42:49) louieB: depain? would you mind sending me th URL? |
| 02:43.03 | satHan | :-) |
| 02:43.16 | xarg | ABO ... aren't the emu10k1 drivers only in OSS? |
| 02:43.48 | g4lt | abrotman file calls an .au file: english.au: Sun/NeXT audio data: 8-bit ISDN mu-law, mono, 8000 Hz |
| 02:43.53 | Xibit0r | anyone know of any sms related software for debian? |
| 02:43.56 | Xibit0r | for sending sms's |
| 02:44.08 | satHan | Xibit0r: gaim can do some simple sms things |
| 02:44.17 | abrotman | g4lt: was that supposed to be coherent? |
| 02:44.18 | g4lt | (...english.au being linus pronouncing linux) |
| 02:44.25 | Astinus | Will user mode linux install under Debian on ALPHA architecture? |
| 02:44.40 | Xibit0r | i was thinking more something i can plug php into, so gaim won't be useful |
| 02:44.56 | g4lt | abrotman yeah, it was. english new to you? :P |
| 02:45.02 | xarg | ABO: actually I have no alsa mods compiled. |
| 02:45.10 | mwilson | translation: another lame SMS web page |
| 02:45.18 | abrotman | g4lt: maybe you should reread it |
| 02:45.40 | Xibit0r | mwilson: no its for business use eh, sms clients on job orders etc etc |
| 02:45.58 | g4lt | abrotman what part of me dumpint the output of file english.au don't you understand? |
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| 02:46.20 | ABO | toresbe: emulation only works with oss-emulation modules loaded... |
| 02:46.23 | xarg | Xibit0r: check freshmeat.net |
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| 02:46.45 | xarg | ABO: huh? |
| 02:46.57 | ABO | xarg: not sure about emu10k1 drivers, but I thought 2.6 dropped oss in favor of alsa. |
| 02:47.14 | mrwill | ABO: oss is still in there, but deprecated. |
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| 02:47.33 | rich_ | 2.6 still has oss. Its a good thing too because not all the alsa drivers are as good as the oss ones |
| 02:47.43 | abrotman | g4lt: that too ;) |
| 02:47.54 | mwilson | It's also still a hell of a lot easier to configure OSS. |
| 02:47.55 | xarg | ABO: no. 2.6.8 still contains oss drivers. and that is where I fiund the emu10k1 driver which detects my sblive!value |
| 02:47.57 | Funk | oh well, i just can't figure it out |
| 02:47.58 | dondelelcaro | emu10k1 works fine with alsa... |
| 02:48.00 | tag | is there some reason ggv in unstable stopped working a while ago...and still remains to not work, is it missing a dependency, or is there a newer package or something? |
| 02:48.09 | dondelelcaro | it even works fine with alsa and oss emulation... |
| 02:48.18 | xarg | oh |
| 02:48.32 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: it works fine with OSS too... as fine as Creative crap ever does, anyway. |
| 02:48.47 | toresbe | ABO: They autoload. |
| 02:48.48 | xarg | well I neglected to compile alsa drivers ... I have the oss module loaded and i can't get sound |
| 02:49.00 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: yeah... unfortunatly, I don't know of any good consumer grade audio cards... |
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| 02:49.12 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: at least it's better than the ac97 garbage... |
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| 02:49.28 | abrotman | if it goes 'beep' .. good enough for me :) |
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| 02:49.48 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: <shrug> I don't have much use for sound on my box any more... I keep meaning to pull the Audigy out. |
| 02:49.50 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: true... most people really can't tell that much... |
| 02:50.00 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: But there's always something better to do. |
| 02:50.08 | xarg | I just want to hear crappy sound events and the occasional mp3 ... |
| 02:50.10 | ABO | toresbe: except when they don't autoload :-). worth checking as a possible cause of the problem. |
| 02:50.18 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: don't get me wrong .. i love sound .. but my computer doesn't cut it .. no matter what you do . |
| 02:50.20 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: ah... yeah, I'm too musically inclined to go without it... and |
| 02:50.47 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: I like music just fine, but what does that have to do with the computer? Unless you're a composer? |
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| 02:51.24 | ABO | I like sound events in general... "shching" sounds as windows expand/collapse makes the whole desktop more... whole :-) |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | sound sucks |
| 02:51.48 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: it's easier for me to use the computer than pulling out the records for casual listening... and yes, I do some composing... [but not much recently.] |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | i want sound .. when i want it .. not when some dumbass programmer decides it's cute |
| 02:52.08 | ABO | abrotman: sound rocks :-) |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | ABO: sure .. when it's my sound .. not a bleep .. or swooof |
| 02:52.44 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: I usually have a couple of CD's on my desk... listen to them for a couple weeks, then put 'em away and get another couple out. |
| 02:52.57 | xarg | uhm ok somehow this conversation is not helping me hear anything from my PC |
| 02:53.00 | Mad | ver |
| 02:53.05 | LoneWlf | abar: source of file very small #define SCRIPT "/path/to/script" |
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| 02:53.20 | dondelelcaro | xarg: so load your driver, join the audio group. Viola. |
| 02:53.28 | LoneWlf | abar: main () { execv(SCRIPT,0); } |
| 02:53.32 | g4lt | xarg get english.au from kernel.org, cat it to your /dev/dsp |
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| 02:53.50 | LoneWlf | abar: that's it, then cc nameofcfile.c -o nameofbinary |
| 02:53.56 | xarg | cat eng.au> /dev/dsp? |
| 02:54.06 | LoneWlf | abar: then chmod 700 /path/to/script |
| 02:54.06 | g4lt | xarg yep |
| 02:54.16 | LoneWlf | abar: then chmod 4711 /path/to/nameofbinary |
| 02:54.29 | g4lt | xarg you should hear Linus telling you how he pronounces linux |
| 02:54.46 | louieB | is there like an equivelent to "my computer" in linux? |
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| 02:55.09 | Juz_visiting | with 2 sound cards .. how do you assign one to dsp0 and the other to dsp1 ? |
| 02:55.11 | dondelelcaro | louieB: hell no. |
| 02:55.11 | LoneWlf | louieB : the root of linux is the command prompt |
| 02:55.17 | rich_ | louieB Theres a desktop |
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| 02:55.30 | LoneWlf | louieB : you're looking for windows 4 free... be a hacker, it's healthier |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | don't gnome and kde have a My Computer ish thing? |
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| 02:55.44 | louieB | lol so if I want to open my slave drive (E:\) I type that? |
| 02:55.51 | LoneWlf | louieB : no way |
| 02:55.58 | abrotman | first .. there is no E:\ |
| 02:56.03 | jeffpc | Hello, how come when I updated my two boxes (laptop = Sarge, desktop = Sid) KDE's fonts are huge compared to what they used to be? |
| 02:56.12 | LoneWlf | louieB : you're slave is prolly hiding under /dev/hdb1 and you'd have to mount it |
| 02:56.14 | jeffpc | IOW, 12pt font is huge |
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| 02:56.19 | LoneWlf | louieB : it just gets more complicated from there |
| 02:56.28 | abrotman | why does kde suck |
| 02:56.28 | LoneWlf | louieB : are you trolling? or do you really want to learn linux |
| 02:56.32 | abrotman | jeffpc: #debian-kde |
| 02:56.39 | g4lt | jeffpc because KDE's maintainers can't help screwing with it. |
| 02:56.41 | LoneWlf | louieB : because if you're trolling, you should get lost, as all trolls should |
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| 02:56.47 | jeffpc | abrotman: ok..thanks |
| 02:56.50 | ^IcE-bOy^ | hi |
| 02:56.58 | jeffpc | g4lt: great :-/ |
| 02:56.58 | ^IcE-bOy^ | anybody uses fglrx ati driver ? |
| 02:57.00 | LoneWlf | louieB : and if you really want to learn linux, you shouldn't be hanging around in #debian when you've install mandrake |
| 02:57.04 | xarg | g4lt: shouldn't a wav file ... like the hundreds installed by packages on my system ... do the same thing? |
| 02:57.06 | LoneWlf | louieB : it's counterproductive |
| 02:57.07 | ^IcE-bOy^ | i'm trying to build last release but i get this un make: Makefile:50: *** mixed implicit and normal rules. Stop. |
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| 02:57.08 | jetscreamer | kde has many many interlocking dependencies of stuff you may not use |
| 02:57.17 | jetscreamer | worse than gnome |
| 02:57.21 | ^IcE-bOy^ | what could happend ? thanks |
| 02:57.27 | abrotman | build? |
| 02:57.28 | jetscreamer | in that manner (n don't tell me about enter) |
| 02:57.29 | g4lt | xarg I've only really had luck with .au files, but YMMV |
| 02:57.34 | abrotman | !ati drivers |
| 02:57.34 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. |
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| 02:57.44 | abrotman | ^IcE-bOy^: ^^ |
| 02:58.00 | louieB | I dont really understand what you mean by trolling but I am very interested in linix - it has always fasinated me - I ma learning C++ on my free time (I am 14) andalso I need to get out of windows |
| 02:58.19 | FieldySnuts | and I thought sunday was yesterday. |
| 02:58.20 | xarg | g4lt: as root /dev/dsp: permission denied |
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| 02:58.35 | MerlinCorey | FieldySnuts: and you thought I had no logic ;) |
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| 02:58.47 | g4lt | xarg taht's not good... |
| 02:58.51 | xarg | g4lt: oops nope not root |
| 02:58.52 | xarg | tehe |
| 02:58.53 | LoneWlf | louieB : alright... well, first things first... you installed an out-of-the-box version of linux and have no idea how it works... the out-of-the-box version you installed was mandrake, am I mistaken? |
| 02:58.53 | nullguy | heh, what cron executable do I run on my cron scripts? |
| 02:59.01 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: uh, you don't? |
| 02:59.03 | ^IcE-bOy^ | abrotman, i'm using another kernel than debian kernel and i need to build fglrx module |
| 02:59.14 | g4lt | !tell xarg about audio |
| 02:59.15 | nullguy | dondelelcaro: 47 6 * * 7 root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly |
| 02:59.16 | abrotman | ^IcE-bOy^: well .. then i have no idea |
| 02:59.17 | mwilson | I *so* like owning a decent access point instead of linksys sh*t. |
| 02:59.18 | Crux | Hi everybody |
| 02:59.22 | toresbe | cafuego: Ping? |
| 02:59.25 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: and? |
| 02:59.28 | nullguy | i don't have an anacron executable though dondelelcaro |
| 02:59.29 | abrotman | ^IcE-bOy^: maybe the instructions dont' care what kernel you're running |
| 02:59.29 | xarg | g4lt hmm paused like I should hear something but still nothing came out .... |
| 02:59.34 | louieB | no sir, knoppix and its running via ghosted CD-R |
| 02:59.37 | nullguy | cron is running though |
| 02:59.41 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: that's fine. that's what the test -x /usr/sbin/anacron is checking for |
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| 02:59.59 | toresbe | cafuego: You are the first person I know that I've seen on bash.org! Congratulations, you are winner! Do you feel ENJOY!!! Sorry for disturb. |
| 03:00.09 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: exactly. You don't have it, so the OR doesn't short circuit, and run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly; is run |
| 03:00.14 | g4lt | Crux are you aware that "everyboty" ATM is 789 individuals? do you want 789 people to stop and say "hi" to you? |
| 03:00.15 | FieldySnuts | .. |
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| 03:00.23 | nullguy | dondelelcaro: does run-parts execute it? |
| 03:00.26 | abrotman | toresbe: i think mwilson is there too |
| 03:00.30 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: yes, clearly. |
| 03:00.34 | mwilson | I am? |
| 03:00.36 | g4lt | !win abrotman |
| 03:00.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 03:00.38 | mwilson | For what? |
| 03:00.39 | Crux | well... |
| 03:00.41 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: what is your actual question, though? |
| 03:00.42 | toresbe | abrotman: I'm not bloody surprised. |
| 03:00.54 | LoneWlf | louieB : alright, so you're running knoppix... interesting diversion... so you haven't actually 'installed' it yet... am I right? |
| 03:00.56 | abrotman | g4lt: i won? |
| 03:00.57 | Crux | why not ha ! |
| 03:01.03 | toresbe | mwilson: WELL STFU YOU RETARDED NEWB I FUCK YOUR MOTHER AND USE A FAR MORE LIGHTWEIGHT WM! |
| 03:01.09 | FieldySnuts | +q time |
| 03:01.11 | toresbe | :P |
| 03:01.13 | nullguy | dondelelcaro: ok nice then, isn't that crontab entry kind of messed up, i want to run that script every week, if has 7 in the month entry right? |
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| 03:01.25 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: man 5 crontab; that's the day of week field. |
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| 03:01.31 | toresbe | Uh, that was supposed to be mwilson saying it on bash, not me saying it to mwilson. |
| 03:01.32 | LoneWlf | louieB : please don't msg... you are learning and should give that benefit to the whole channel... |
| 03:01.40 | nullguy | dondelelcaro: i thought the 4th field was? |
| 03:01.47 | nullguy | # m h dom mon dow user command |
| 03:01.53 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: uh, no. |
| 03:01.55 | louieB | Ok yes sir you are currect |
| 03:01.56 | LoneWlf | louieB : so it's not installed yet, merely running off of your cd rom drive... |
| 03:02.02 | g4lt | LoneWlf that makes three he's /msg'd, even after being told that it's not kosher in #debian |
| 03:02.09 | FieldySnuts | four |
| 03:02.13 | FieldySnuts | jerk |
| 03:02.15 | mwilson | toresbe: Uh, why would I say anything like that? Never have before. |
| 03:02.20 | LoneWlf | louieB : you want to access your slave hd? |
| 03:02.22 | rares000 | toresbe welcome to the twilight zone enjoy your stay that'll be $5i |
| 03:02.22 | OctalTHOR | Does anybody know of any current oddities with regards to wine in sid? |
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| 03:02.31 | nullguy | don_inlab: the 4th field is the month |
| 03:02.32 | LoneWlf | louieB : are you in X? or at the command line? |
| 03:02.34 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: exactly. 1) m 2) h 3) dom 4) mon 5) dow |
| 03:02.36 | xarg | g4lt: drivers appear to be loaded and aumix reports volume is "up" |
| 03:02.45 | louieB | um what do you mean by X? |
| 03:02.46 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: |
| 03:02.48 | nullguy | dondelelcaro: so the 7 is in the wrong place? |
| 03:02.57 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: 1) 47 2) 6 3) * 4) * 5) 7 |
| 03:03.00 | g4lt | xarg what about the user being in group audio? |
| 03:03.03 | FieldySnuts | bloody man 5 crontab |
| 03:03.19 | toresbe | mwilson: Oh, you hath proven your utter lack of humour :P |
| 03:03.25 | LoneWlf | louieB : a GUI, a graphical user interface for designed and used very often in linux... probably part of the live cd of knoppix, |
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| 03:03.31 | nullguy | ok i got you don_inlab |
| 03:03.32 | toresbe | rares000: WHY AM I MONOCHROME? I WANT A REFUND! |
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| 03:03.34 | nullguy | dondelelcaro: |
| 03:03.36 | abrotman | toresbe: #debian doesn't get on bash.org that much that i know of |
| 03:03.37 | nullguy | got you man. |
| 03:03.38 | FieldySnuts | lay off with the caps |
| 03:03.41 | mwilson | toresbe: I find some things very funny. |
| 03:03.48 | toresbe | abrotman: No, but it was still quite amusing. |
| 03:03.51 | nullguy | config file seems to be formatted kinda odd. |
| 03:04.05 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: no, it's standard. again, man 5 crontab; and read. |
| 03:04.11 | louieB | yes I am running a GUI, CMD prompt would be way to complicated in my eyes |
| 03:04.15 | toresbe | abrotman: There should be a separate department for Linux support channels |
| 03:04.18 | nullguy | dondelelcaro: one more thing, I want to grab bash 3 out of unstable, how would I do so? |
| 03:04.26 | MerlinCorey | toresbe: bash.org search "Uberkommando" - he's my "partner in crime" as it were :) |
| 03:04.30 | Juz_visiting | ? if you have 2 sound cards .. how do u designate one as dsp0 and the other as dsp1 ?? |
| 03:04.32 | abrotman | toresbe: perhaps |
| 03:04.35 | louieB | it looks very Mac like |
| 03:05.04 | LoneWlf | louieB : ah, but that is the basis for linux, and you will be forever handicapped if you learn it not... however... being as you are in the GUI, you can stay there... I will merely ask you what your X-desktop looks like, what icons are there... what do you see... |
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| 03:05.25 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: you probably don't want bash 3. But if you really do, get a backport of it. |
| 03:05.50 | rares000 | ok what net based FPS can I run on this 233 laptop with 2MB of video RAM and no 3D accel? |
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| 03:05.55 | nullguy | any known problems with it, running on sarge dondelelcaro ? |
| 03:06.19 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: besides the fact that it's bash 3 and has extra random stuff in it beyond bash 2? yes. |
| 03:06.31 | g4lt | rares000 3 |
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| 03:06.50 | nullguy | dondelelcaro: yes, I'am aware of the changes. |
| 03:06.52 | louieB | well I see the Linux tag symbole on my top right corner, I see a blue trash bin a CD-ROM icon and a floppy drive icon. this is why I ask how I access my slave drive - for there is no icon |
| 03:07.05 | rares000 | g4lt, that was bad attempt to spell pi |
| 03:07.06 | FieldySnuts | mount them |
| 03:07.21 | LoneWlf | louieB : I see... chances are you will have to mount it manually... |
| 03:07.23 | MerlinCorey | louieB: #mandrake , #yourwindowmanager |
| 03:07.30 | MerlinCorey | ^^; |
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| 03:07.36 | g4lt | MerlinCorey worse, #knoppix |
| 03:07.41 | MerlinCorey | ugh... |
| 03:07.41 | FieldySnuts | ew |
| 03:07.45 | FieldySnuts | why is he here then |
| 03:07.48 | LoneWlf | louieB : just a moment while I find out if there is an 'easy' way to do that with knoppix |
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| 03:07.54 | rares000 | ok enuff what's so bad about knoppix |
| 03:07.58 | toresbe | MerlinCorey: The scary part is, I've been browsing /?random for so long, I've seen that quote before |
| 03:08.07 | louieB | thanks I appreciate this |
| 03:08.07 | g4lt | !essentially debian |
| 03:08.07 | dpkg | [essentially debian] yeah, xandros, libra, knoppix are all essentially debian, but methanol is essentially ethanol, and we don't recommend you drink methanol either. Just like you don't go to a Mitsubishi dealership for help with a Plymouth Champ, or a VW dealership for help with a Porsche 914/4, don't ask #debian for help with your pseudo-Debian: either get help from your distributor or switch to full-on Debian |
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| 03:08.09 | FieldySnuts | funny I thought this wasn't a knoppix help channel, but we've got people helping with it |
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| 03:08.15 | peterS | rares000: nothing too wrong with it. we don't support slackware here either |
| 03:08.18 | g4lt | rares000 ^^^^^ |
| 03:08.18 | MerlinCorey | toresbe: serioiusly..? Well, yeah, that's my pr0gramming partner in crime... :) |
| 03:08.19 | dondelelcaro | nullguy: see #261948 FE. |
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| 03:08.49 | toresbe | MerlinCorey: Heh. |
| 03:09.11 | toresbe | MerlinCorey: I've got "browsing bash.org" as my main hobby on the school form |
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| 03:09.41 | MerlinCorey | a good hobbie, I guess... abrotman is correct - you need a girlfriend (and yes, she can have big breastses if thats what you want :) ) |
| 03:09.47 | FieldySnuts | err |
| 03:09.52 | toresbe | MerlinCorey: Hehe :D |
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| 03:10.05 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: hehe |
| 03:10.10 | toresbe | MerlinCorey: I need a GeForce, but they are the same abbreviation so, same same. |
| 03:10.21 | MerlinCorey | hah... |
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| 03:10.33 | FieldySnuts | ew |
| 03:10.46 | toresbe | abrotman: Hah, that's a cool site |
| 03:10.50 | LoneWlf | louieB : it looks as if you're using konquerer by default... to confirm this, do you have a 'home' icon on your desktop? |
| 03:10.55 | xarg | g4lt: user is in audio ... but still gets perm denied. root gets audio but reallly really distorted or something |
| 03:11.02 | toresbe | abrotman: "It's like Phated, but without the twapping!" |
| 03:11.23 | abrotman | toresbe: Phated should probably kick your ass for that comment |
| 03:11.24 | toresbe | And with t3h s3x0r, which is always fun. |
| 03:11.27 | MerlinCorey | LoneWlf: you're not asking on #knoppix for him, are you? |
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| 03:11.34 | toresbe | abrotman: She probably will. |
| 03:11.44 | louieB | no sir, only the icons I told you |
| 03:11.45 | FieldySnuts | MerlinCorey: no he apparently thinks this IS #knoppix |
| 03:11.45 | LoneWlf | MerlinCorey : well... he's 14 by his own admission, do you want him to hate linux and all linux users or to actually _learn_? |
| 03:12.11 | LoneWlf | MerlinCorey : nope, I'm using their webpage |
| 03:12.12 | FieldySnuts | i could care less, but please take the knoppix stuff to a knoppix channel, this is as far as you can get from being one |
| 03:12.15 | abrotman | doesn't knoppix have kopete or some crappy kde app? |
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| 03:12.20 | MerlinCorey | LoneWlf: when I was 14, I installed potato, and I was very very very very lost... |
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| 03:12.25 | LoneWlf | MerlinCorey : which would look like greek to anyone but an experienced technical reader... |
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| 03:12.49 | zignig | MerlinCorey: now you're 20 and still lost ? :P |
| 03:12.50 | LoneWlf | MerlinCorey : lol... I didn't find linux till I was like... 19... and it had only been out since I was 13... |
| 03:13.05 | user01 | ok i've been looking at stuff and the symptoms best match my problem: i think an oss driver is being loaded and it interferes with alsa |
| 03:13.06 | LoneWlf | MerlinCorey : stop... you're making me feel _very_ old |
| 03:13.08 | MerlinCorey | zignig: not 20 until the 30th :) |
| 03:13.19 | xarg | g4lt: are there 2.6 kern sec features I am not aware of? because that is not the only file I am in the group which owns it and group is +rw but I get perm den |
| 03:13.21 | freemo_ | anyoenknow of a way i can convert ntfs to ext3 on the fly? |
| 03:13.27 | g4lt | MerlinCorey please stop, you young punk ;P |
| 03:13.27 | LoneWlf | louieB : are you still with me bud? icons on the desktop? |
| 03:13.30 | MerlinCorey | zignig: and I'm much less lost these days, thankfully :) |
| 03:13.32 | dondelelcaro | freemo_: no. |
| 03:13.41 | LoneWlf | louieB : the webpage suggests that you're slave would be /mnt/hdb1 |
| 03:13.47 | MerlinCorey | in large part thanks to people in here for good directional pointers... :) |
| 03:13.47 | louieB | yea I dont have any "home" icons |
| 03:13.48 | dondelelcaro | freemo_: the only way I'm aware of requires a drive equal in size to the ntfs drive |
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| 03:13.49 | g4lt | xarg if it is, it's news to me as well... |
| 03:13.52 | LoneWlf | louieB : and I'm getting ready to walk you there, but need a starting place |
| 03:13.55 | LoneWlf | louieB : excellent |
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| 03:14.16 | freemo_ | dondelelcaro, so essentially copy the data from one to the other, delete the ntfs partitiona nd reverse it? |
| 03:14.17 | toresbe | louieB: Anyway, #debian wishes you good luck, and I envy you your opportunity. Had I started when I was 14 I would've had ...two more years of experience :P |
| 03:14.21 | LoneWlf | louieB : double click on that and go up twice... I think this will be reminiscent of you're windows desktop |
| 03:14.25 | dondelelcaro | freemo_: yes. |
| 03:14.34 | maxshoft | server irc.overdriveirc.com |
| 03:14.40 | MerlinCorey | at least, I've figured out a lot more about my system in the past few months in here than it felt like I was accomplishing on my own in the years in between... |
| 03:14.45 | LoneWlf | louieB : er... explorer |
| 03:14.54 | freemo_ | don_inlab, yea thats no good. |
| 03:15.00 | louieB | lol well thank you very much |
| 03:15.07 | LoneWlf | louieB : excuse my bad terminology... I can only claim multitasking |
| 03:15.07 | xarg | does anyone know why i would be denied perm to /var/log/kern.log if I am in group adm and /var/log/kern.log is root:adm and group readabl? |
| 03:15.07 | g4lt | damn, apt all of a sudden got resource hungry with the last upgrade :( |
| 03:15.10 | dondelelcaro | freemo_: *shrug* It's the only method extant |
| 03:15.18 | toresbe | I did try Redhat 4 when I was 13.... consisted of wiping my dad's drive, and the diciplinary actions that came with that. |
| 03:15.25 | LoneWlf | louieB : from there, you should see 'mnt' as a folder icon |
| 03:15.30 | nevyn | xarg: when did you add yourself to the adm group? |
| 03:15.42 | LoneWlf | louieB : and in there... should be stuff like 'floppy' and 'hda1' and 'hdb1' |
| 03:15.47 | LoneWlf | louieB : any of this making sense? |
| 03:15.48 | xarg | nevyn before last reboot |
| 03:15.50 | freemo_ | dondelelcaro, that sucks.. means im stuck with windows onthat box |
| 03:16.02 | nevyn | xarg: umm no idea then. |
| 03:16.07 | dondelelcaro | freemo_: why? you can still offload the data and shift stuff... |
| 03:16.21 | abrotman | toresbe: i'm confused now |
| 03:16.31 | dondelelcaro | freemo_: or just mount up the ntfs drive in linux |
| 03:16.32 | LoneWlf | xarg: directory permissions? |
| 03:16.42 | toresbe | abrotman: Well, I started with linux last December. |
| 03:16.48 | toresbe | abrotman: December 10th, 2003. |
| 03:16.51 | abrotman | toresbe: that's not what i'm confused about |
| 03:17.00 | louieB | um there is now suck CMD as /mnt/hdb1 - or I dont think so at least |
| 03:17.07 | toresbe | abrotman: Oh, you are mentally confused? Go see a professional. |
| 03:17.08 | freemo_ | dondelelcaro, well the problem is file size .. i have two "partitions.. one of them spans three drives ans is on a software raid.. that is all ntfs.. the other is a much smaller drivewith jsut the os on it.. so there isnt really a place i can shift it to off of ntfs |
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| 03:17.13 | dondelelcaro | xarg: what does id; and ls -l /var/log/kern.log output? |
| 03:17.18 | abrotman | toresbe: /msg ? |
| 03:17.29 | LoneWlf | louieB : no such command as /mnt/hdb1? |
| 03:17.33 | dondelelcaro | ick. software raid |
| 03:17.41 | rares000 | wtf |
| 03:17.43 | rares000 | rares@macadamia:~$ bogomips |
| 03:17.43 | rares000 | Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 94.00 BogoMips |
| 03:17.47 | louieB | you mean is the konsole currect? |
| 03:17.54 | abrotman | rares000: you ahve a P45 |
| 03:17.55 | abrotman | :) |
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| 03:17.59 | freemo_ | dondelelcaro, is linux any good at doing software raid? |
| 03:18.08 | abrotman | rares000: be thankful |
| 03:18.13 | abrotman | $ bogomips |
| 03:18.13 | abrotman | Calibrating delay loop.. failed |
| 03:18.15 | xarg | dondelelcaro world readable |
| 03:18.19 | xarg | oops |
| 03:18.23 | eazel7 | I'm doing a debootstrap installation, and I have problems in it |
| 03:18.23 | rares000 | p45 no play mp3 |
| 03:18.25 | xarg | LoneWlf world readable |
| 03:18.26 | eazel7 | would you help me? |
| 03:18.27 | toresbe | abrotman: Huh? |
| 03:18.35 | toresbe | abrotman: Uh, sure, go ahead...? |
| 03:18.35 | abrotman | toresbe: /msg ? |
| 03:18.48 | MerlinCorey | eazel7: just mention your problems and wait... |
| 03:18.49 | toresbe | Now *I* am confused |
| 03:18.54 | dondelelcaro | freemo_: linux has it's own software raid which is pretty much superior to anyone else's implementation... however, it's still software raid. |
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| 03:19.03 | xarg | dondelelcaro I am in grp adm and kern.log is -rw-r----- 1 root adm 50852 Sep 20 22:04 kern.log |
| 03:19.17 | dondelelcaro | xarg: what does id; output? |
| 03:19.18 | rares000 | abrotman you have a pwhateverthefuckIwantbeasfastasbecauseIamyourprocessorandyouaremyslavenowgetmesomemoreshrooms |
| 03:19.20 | freemo_ | dondelelcaro, how hard is the software raid to get going? |
| 03:19.25 | dondelelcaro | freemo_: pretty trivial. |
| 03:19.33 | abrotman | rares000: shrooms good |
| 03:19.34 | freemo_ | dondelelcaro, good to hear it |
| 03:19.40 | eazel7 | console-common and console-data gives problems when installing, and I cannot boot the kernel-image, it gave me problems too |
| 03:19.58 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: paste the output of the console-common and console-data errors to #flood |
| 03:20.04 | LoneWlf | louieB : um... not really... I'm kinda lost as to where you are... on the desktop, in the command line... what do you see... we need to do this a little more step by step... |
| 03:20.12 | rares000 | abrotman your processor is looking for the nagual give it some peyote and it will pretend to be more linear |
| 03:20.17 | eazel7 | ok |
| 03:20.21 | eazel7 | I'm using sarge |
| 03:20.29 | freemo_ | don_inlab, can you point me int he right difrection to start a raid.. maybe just a list of comands is hould become familair with and maybe man? |
| 03:20.37 | freemo_ | err i meant dondelelcaro |
| 03:20.48 | dondelelcaro | freemo_: see one of the raid how-to's on tldp.org |
| 03:20.58 | dondelelcaro | s/'// |
| 03:21.02 | LoneWlf | xarg just disappeared... |
| 03:21.03 | abrotman | rares000: sleep mode? |
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| 03:21.15 | freemo_ | dondelelcaro, i prefer to jsut man my commands and not touch a howto unless things arent clear. do you know what command i might man? |
| 03:21.31 | ^IcE-bOy^ | how can i change the default language that i select on debian install ? |
| 03:21.31 | eazel7 | Usage: install-keymap [ keymap_file | NONE | KERNEL ] |
| 03:21.42 | louieB | well after clicking "run command" the box came up, I typed "/mnt/hdb1" and "Could not run the specified command!" came up as an error |
| 03:21.51 | dondelelcaro | freemo_: get the raidtools2 package; and read the manpages therein... |
| 03:21.53 | rares000 | abrotman is there something I can do besides reboot? |
| 03:21.59 | freemo_ | dondelelcaro, thank you |
| 03:22.02 | dondelelcaro | freemo_: dpkg -L raidtools2; will point you at them. |
| 03:22.05 | LoneWlf | louieB : right, and there is no such command |
| 03:22.12 | MerlinCorey | louieB: tsk tsk... open a terminal or console, or maybe your disk thinks it is called Konsole window... |
| 03:22.14 | freemo_ | dondelelcaro, thank you greatly |
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| 03:22.21 | abrotman | rares000: to do what? |
| 03:22.29 | LoneWlf | louieB : I was attempting to get you to browse to your slave drive... |
| 03:22.42 | LoneWlf | louieB : which can be done easily if it's already mounted |
| 03:22.45 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: paste the output of the attempt to install console-common and|or console-data into #flood if you want someone to help you with it |
| 03:22.51 | rares000 | to get my other 368 bogomips back |
| 03:23.08 | LoneWlf | louieB : if you open your browser by double clicking on your home dir on the desktop, it will open a window... |
| 03:23.09 | eazel7 | well, it's fullfill of this |
| 03:23.11 | eazel7 | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 03:23.12 | eazel7 | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 03:23.12 | eazel7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.12 | eazel7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.12 | eazel7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:23.19 | user01 | i think my sysem has oss installed instead of alsa...any howto's on how to switch disable mods? |
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| 03:23.30 | MerlinCorey | eazel7: join #flood |
| 03:23.32 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: read /topic, and paste in #flood, not here. |
| 03:23.34 | LoneWlf | louieB : what do you see on that window? |
| 03:23.35 | xarg | dondelelcaro ok strange .... I thought I logged out and back in after adding myself to the groups but I didn't |
| 03:23.49 | louieB | yes sir. the konsole window |
| 03:23.50 | MerlinCorey | !win dondelelcaro |
| 03:23.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, dondelelcaro! You have won the US presidency! |
| 03:23.53 | eazel7 | oh, sorry |
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| 03:24.10 | g4lt | rares000 the appropriate part of bogomips here is the BOGO part. it's bogus, not real |
| 03:24.13 | eazel7 | I'm gonna paste in flood now |
| 03:24.16 | LoneWlf | louieB : and does it have a folder like icon with an up-like arrow on it? |
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| 03:24.32 | g4lt | !win dondelelcaro |
| 03:24.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, dondelelcaro! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 03:24.37 | LoneWlf | louieB : somewhere on the window, normally near the top? |
| 03:24.41 | xarg | but now I have esd working but "volume control" and "music player" in gnome menu still have problems |
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| 03:24.47 | LaCuervita | hi |
| 03:24.56 | Guerin | !win Guerin |
| 03:24.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 03:25.02 | xarg | Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found |
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| 03:25.09 | Guerin | I beat the insurance demons |
| 03:25.11 | louieB | you mean like the Windows "open" icon? |
| 03:25.16 | xarg | but I get sound events |
| 03:25.28 | MerlinCorey | ok, ok, I think dondelelcaro has won enough now :) |
| 03:25.29 | xerophyte | how can i run script so it will output the script output on the screen and to a file |
| 03:25.43 | Guerin | xerophyte: tee |
| 03:25.48 | MerlinCorey | xerophyte: how can I read about bash ..? |
| 03:25.58 | LoneWlf | louieB : just an arrow up type icon, it doesn't have to be a folder... I was kinda inventing that in my head |
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| 03:26.19 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: ok, first off, you need to run dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build es_AR |
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| 03:26.25 | LoneWlf | MerlinCorey : man bash |
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| 03:26.46 | LoneWlf | MerlinCorey : oops... nm |
| 03:26.46 | MerlinCorey | LoneWlf: sarcasm doesn't get you, does it..? |
| 03:26.52 | MerlinCorey | heh :) |
| 03:26.53 | LoneWlf | MerlinCorey : let me read in context :P |
| 03:27.01 | newblistic | is there a command to list the current running daemons |
| 03:27.04 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, I did |
| 03:27.08 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: no, you haven't. |
| 03:27.13 | newblistic | or however you spell it |
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| 03:27.17 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! Q: Is it just me or the cdrecord in sarge does not allow scanbus? |
| 03:27.24 | kingsley | What's a good way to make a boot diskette? |
| 03:27.27 | louieB | no sir I am sorry if I am fustrateing you but konsole, a C prompt type box? all it has in it is "knoppix@ttyp0[knoppix]$" |
| 03:27.36 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, belive me I chose the utf8 option |
| 03:27.49 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: that's es_AR.utf8, not es_AR. |
| 03:27.49 | freemo_ | newblistic, ps -A ? |
| 03:27.56 | Guerin | !nondeb knoppix |
| 03:27.57 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, I've just opened it, and it's still selected |
| 03:27.57 | dpkg | Go to channel #knoppix for help with knoppix. If knoppix were Debian, it would be called Debian and not knoppix. |
| 03:28.05 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, yup |
| 03:28.07 | newblistic | thenk you |
| 03:28.10 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: so set your locale to es_AR.utf8, *NOT* es_AR |
| 03:28.12 | LoneWlf | louieB : no frustration, I've put in more than my time as a helpdesk tech and left... more or less uninjured... though not normal by any stretch of the means |
| 03:28.12 | xerophyte | MerlinCorey, ??? |
| 03:28.15 | newblistic | thank* |
| 03:28.22 | MerlinCorey | xerophyte: man bash |
| 03:28.29 | freemo_ | hey look at me being helpful |
| 03:28.30 | LoneWlf | louieB : in that window... it's not you're home dir... or konsole, but a shell window... |
| 03:28.32 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, I think that that comes from the host OS |
| 03:28.59 | LoneWlf | louieB : you can type 'cd /mnt' and then hit enter and then 'ls' and then hit enter, tell me what you see |
| 03:29.24 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: no, it doesn't. It's set in your configuration. |
| 03:29.35 | eazel7 | so how do I do that? |
| 03:29.37 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: either in .bash_profile (or .bashrc) or in /etc/profile |
| 03:29.52 | LoneWlf | louieB : wait... it is 'konsole' <multi-tasking again> |
| 03:30.49 | LoneWlf | louieB : konsole is KDE command console or somesuch... |
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| 03:30.50 | newblistic | i have sshd and i am able to connect fine behind my firewall but outside i cant connect even though im forwarding the port to the right computer |
| 03:30.50 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, .bash* doesn't exist |
| 03:30.50 | louieB | ?auto cdrom floppy hd hda hdb1 hdb5 hdb6 hdb7 pts sys test" |
| 03:30.51 | newblistic | any sugestions? |
| 03:30.51 | bob2 | newblistic: sounds like it's not forwarding |
| 03:30.51 | bob2 | (obviously) |
| 03:30.51 | freemo_ | i wanna install linux on my big powerful computer.. but im scared.. i wont be able to play games anymore :( |
| 03:30.51 | newblistic | ok |
| 03:30.51 | Guerin | freemo_: whiner |
| 03:30.52 | LoneWlf | louieB : your 'slave' is either hdb1 , 5, 6, or 7 |
| 03:30.53 | freemo_ | Guerin, hehe |
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| 03:31.08 | freemo_ | Guerin, but sinc ei moved all my other comptuers to linux i dont even use it anymore anyway |
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| 03:31.10 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: ~/.bash* better exist... or this isn't Debian |
| 03:31.11 | Guerin | freemo_: buy winex, or play games with linux ports |
| 03:31.18 | maher | newblistic: does the computer behind the firewall receive a connection? |
| 03:31.22 | pinkwerks | Hi there, keep having xserver crashes (signal 11) on sarge with 2.4/2.6 kernels and 2 versions of my nvidia drivers with different apps - any idea on how to go about figuring out what causes this? It's not consistent with certain apps either. |
| 03:31.22 | LoneWlf | louieB : accessing them with a GUI browser is going to be something else... I wish I had a picture of what your screen looked like, that would help tons... |
| 03:31.25 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, in ~ yes, but not in etc |
| 03:31.28 | biohazrd | how do i stop a respawning process like mgetty? |
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| 03:31.33 | LoneWlf | louieB : one moment whilst I go to look for one |
| 03:31.34 | freemo_ | Guerin, is winex any good thou.. wine cant even run most regular windows applications |
| 03:31.37 | Guerin | !wayttd louieB |
| 03:31.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, louieB? |
| 03:31.38 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: /etc/profile. ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile... |
| 03:31.40 | biohazrd | i need to figure out whats up with this modem |
| 03:31.41 | bob2 | pinkwerks: is it fine with the Free nv driver? |
| 03:31.43 | maher | biohazrd: bug in util-linux - downgrade to -5 |
| 03:31.47 | newblistic | i have a connection to the internet shared with one other computer |
| 03:31.51 | Guerin | freemo_: I don't know, because I don't care about windows apps. |
| 03:32.03 | linux_newbie | whats the command to detect the newly add hardware eg.. dvdrom |
| 03:32.10 | bob2 | linux_newbie: there isn't one |
| 03:32.15 | maher | newblistic: are the packets from the outside getting to the computer? |
| 03:32.21 | newblistic | i put the internet ip to connect and have the port forwarded hoping it workd |
| 03:32.22 | louieB | well I am trying to make an icon in knoppix for my slave HD |
| 03:32.22 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, ok, I've located them, but how can I set the locale if it's not thorough dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 03:32.22 | freemo_ | Guerin, i dont really care about them either.. normally.. im just worried about that rare occasionw hen i want a game or app that is jsut for windows |
| 03:32.31 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: in one of those files, you'll have a line like LANGUAGE="es_AR" or similar. es_AR is actually the ISO-8859-1, not the UTF-8 one. |
| 03:32.34 | newblistic | i cant tell |
| 03:32.34 | Guerin | freemo_: learn to live without them |
| 03:32.39 | newblistic | really |
| 03:32.39 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: dpkg-reconfigure locales builds locales. It doesn't set them |
| 03:32.43 | freemo_ | Guerin, :) arent you helpful. |
| 03:32.44 | louieB | this is my maden run on any linux system so I really hardly know CMD prompt |
| 03:32.44 | maher | newblistic: install ippl |
| 03:32.49 | linux_newbie | how do i configure my dvd-rom drive to work? |
| 03:32.50 | biohazrd | maher sorry I don't follow.. you mean change runlevels? |
| 03:32.55 | bob2 | linux_newbie: to do what? |
| 03:32.58 | pinkwerks | bob2: forgot to try that! |
| 03:32.58 | Guerin | freemo_: winex should hadle most things, failing that there are emulation suites |
| 03:33.02 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: the selected locale is modified through the LANG* and LC_* environmental variables. |
| 03:33.05 | bob2 | linux_newbie: if you want to be able to mount it, add a line to /etc/fstab |
| 03:33.07 | linux_newbie | to read cds and dvds... |
| 03:33.11 | freemo_ | Guerin, thats true.. vmware |
| 03:33.15 | bob2 | linux_newbie: to be able to watch dvds, just run xine or whatever |
| 03:33.18 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, can I use localedef to set them? |
| 03:33.27 | freemo_ | Guerin, my box thou has 4 processors and dual channel memory.. will it handle that? |
| 03:33.32 | maher | biohazrd: no - read the bugs for util linux - last good version for me was 5 |
| 03:33.34 | Guerin | freemo_: no idea. |
| 03:33.37 | newblistic | how do i get apt-get the ippl package |
| 03:33.37 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: no, localedef is used to build locales only. |
| 03:33.49 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, how do I set them? |
| 03:33.54 | freemo_ | Guerin, i meant will linux utilize it.. not winex |
| 03:33.55 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: the locale is set by modifying either /etc/profile, ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile, or possibly ~/.profile |
| 03:34.03 | Guerin | freemo_: hell yeah |
| 03:34.09 | maher | newblistic: apt-get install ippl |
| 03:34.12 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: by setting LANG, LANGUAGE, or LC_ALL, as you seem to have done. |
| 03:34.15 | newblistic | thank you |
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| 03:34.28 | Guerin | freemo_: linux beats the pants off windows when it comes to multiple processors etc |
| 03:34.29 | biohazrd | util-linux 2.12-7 |
| 03:34.33 | freemo_ | Guerin, nice.. it should be a beast then if it handles it well |
| 03:34.38 | maher | biohazrd: read the bugs |
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| 03:34.42 | Guerin | freemo_: hell yeah. |
| 03:34.49 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, there is no LANG or LC_ALL or LANGUAGE variable set in any of those files |
| 03:34.49 | freemo_ | 4 processors 2.4 ghz each |
| 03:34.55 | biohazrd | great... |
| 03:34.56 | louieB | bob, I dont even know what you mean by "add line" |
| 03:35.17 | maher | biohazrd: if youare suffering from the same one as me 5 will owrk |
| 03:35.29 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: *shrug*. well, then find /etc -type f |xargs grep LC_ALL; and find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -iname '.*'|xargs grep LC_ALL; |
| 03:35.32 | K_Dallas | Q: Is it just me or the cdrecord in sarge does not allow scanbus? thanks |
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| 03:35.39 | coywolf | Bill Gates is a greatest charitarian in the world |
| 03:35.45 | biohazrd | i am just trying to get dialin server working with this external modem |
| 03:35.51 | LoneWlf | louieB : an excellent question dpkg, and an excellent answer louieB, would that I had asked it earlier... |
| 03:35.51 | toresbe | cappicard: Huh? |
| 03:35.54 | freemo_ | louieB, he means edit the file ... it is a text file (nearly all config files in linux are) |
| 03:36.06 | newblistic | now ippl is installed how do i run it? |
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| 03:36.12 | dondelelcaro | K_Dallas: probably just you. |
| 03:36.16 | K_Dallas | darn :) |
| 03:36.21 | maher | biohazrd: youare dialling in on a modem? ok - i have no experience of that - it's probably something else then |
| 03:36.34 | pills | cafuego: you around? |
| 03:36.36 | dondelelcaro | K_Dallas: you are running -scanbus as root, right? |
| 03:36.38 | louieB | like editeing an .ini file or the registry of windows? |
| 03:36.47 | dondelelcaro | K_Dallas: and using the appropriate -dev option if required? |
| 03:36.49 | biohazrd | no.. trying to get a modem to work for others to dial in |
| 03:36.51 | K_Dallas | dondel, yes |
| 03:36.55 | maher | newblistic: it should be running - look in /var/log/daemon.log |
| 03:36.56 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, #flood |
| 03:36.59 | K_Dallas | i use no flag |
| 03:37.04 | coywolf | Bill Gates is a greatest charitarian in the world. he'll give almost all of his money to the foundation |
| 03:37.12 | K_Dallas | but i guess it has somehting to do with scsi emulation or something |
| 03:37.34 | K_Dallas | tried xcoaster earlier and it complained that my CDRW was configured as ATAPI and not scsi |
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| 03:37.41 | K_Dallas | dont know how to do it |
| 03:37.47 | coywolf | freemo_: no flame :) |
| 03:37.48 | maher | K_Dallas: what kernel |
| 03:38.00 | K_Dallas | maher: 2.6 or something |
| 03:38.12 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: and ~/. ? |
| 03:38.12 | K_Dallas | (how do i find the lernel version) |
| 03:38.16 | maher | K_Dallas: cdrecord is broken for 2.6.8.1 afaik |
| 03:38.18 | K_Dallas | kernel* |
| 03:38.23 | K_Dallas | oh i see |
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| 03:38.35 | LoneWlf | louieB , bob2 , dpkg : I'm lost on the conversation here, I was over looking for how to create a shortcut or at least get into the browser for the computer in knoppix and now we're talking editting files and creating shortcuts... argh |
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| 03:38.37 | freemo_ | coywolf, better luck next time |
| 03:38.48 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, just in .bashhistory |
| 03:38.51 | coywolf | freemo_: k :) |
| 03:38.59 | K_Dallas | well, i am pretty happy with debian so it is the price to pay trying its RCs ;) |
| 03:39.02 | freemo_ | coywolf, try insulting the gpl and say it takes away rights and not gives them..t hat prolly willg et their goat |
| 03:39.13 | bob2 | freemo_: coywolf blahblahblah |
| 03:39.22 | rich_ | I heard of shortcut. I think its like a soft link. Use ln |
| 03:39.26 | bob2 | LoneWlf: no idea, I'd have told louieB to ask for help in #knoppix, myself |
| 03:39.26 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: *shrug*; anyway, you'll need to build the es_AR for ISO-8859-1; but for now, unset LANGUAGE: and unset LC_ALL; |
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| 03:39.34 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: then run dpkg --configure -a; |
| 03:39.41 | K_Dallas | debian has been running as fast if not faster than Slackware and way faster than suse 9.1 or mandrake 10 on the same box |
| 03:39.51 | K_Dallas | and it is so darn easy to manage packages ;) |
| 03:39.53 | LoneWlf | louieB : I'm thinking that next to konsole on the bar at the bottom there will be a little house looking icon and that this is your home directory where you'll have up arrows and folder icons and all sorts of fun stuff... from where you can browse to /mnt and /mnt/hdb1 and from /mnt copy and paste shortcuts... |
| 03:39.54 | zbowling | HAHAHA |
| 03:39.56 | freemo_ | LoneWlf, dpkg isnt a person.. he is a bot |
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| 03:40.01 | freemo_ | !win freemo_ |
| 03:40.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, freemo_! You have won the US presidency! |
| 03:40.06 | freemo_ | see :) |
| 03:40.09 | K_Dallas | :):) |
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| 03:40.15 | K_Dallas | !win K_Dallas |
| 03:40.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, K_Dallas! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 03:40.21 | K_Dallas | hehe |
| 03:40.26 | freemo_ | hehe |
| 03:40.30 | mombof | <--finally got mandrake installed on his qube2 ...yayee |
| 03:40.39 | freemo_ | mombof, how do you like it? |
| 03:40.40 | LoneWlf | freemo_ : I am not ignorant of this fact.. but he did ask louieB a question... at whose behest I know not... but... I give up |
| 03:40.45 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, thanks, it installed right |
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| 03:40.55 | bob2 | and knoppix |
| 03:40.56 | mombof | oh wait wrong distro/idea |
| 03:40.56 | freemo_ | LoneWlf, alrighty .. |
| 03:41.01 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: now build the proper locale. it's es_AR ISO-8859-1 |
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| 03:41.09 | mombof | <--finally got debian installed on his qube2 ...yayee |
| 03:41.19 | MerlinCorey | mombof: which is it..? |
| 03:41.24 | mombof | sry debian |
| 03:41.24 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 03:41.28 | mombof | works great |
| 03:41.34 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: yersh. |
| 03:41.36 | freemo_ | <-- should be using /me right now to do this instead of "<--" :) |
| 03:41.40 | mombof | 2.4 kernel |
| 03:41.46 | MerlinCorey | mombof: what does /etc/debian_version say..? |
| 03:41.46 | louieB | Im sorry I thank you all for the help but I guess I am doomed to be stuck in Microsoft's grasp of death for all eternity |
| 03:41.51 | MerlinCorey | mombof: ;) |
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| 03:41.59 | eazel7 | dondelelcaro, done |
| 03:42.01 | mombof | been a few lemme go turn it back on |
| 03:42.09 | LoneWlf | louieB : there is another channel called #knoppix on this network... is no one answering? |
| 03:43.06 | LoneWlf | louieB : I know I haven't gotten an answer yet |
| 03:43.06 | bob2 | louieB: no, you just need to be willing to invest more time into it |
| 03:43.06 | MerlinCorey | louieB: that's the spirit... now join #knoppix and ask them for help... |
| 03:43.06 | dondelelcaro | eazel7: ok, now it won't complain even if you have LANG set... and it probably is set in whatever your normal user account is, not /root... |
| 03:43.06 | bob2 | louieB: or to use mandrake or ubuntu or something until you're more comfortable |
| 03:43.06 | freemo_ | louieB, whats yourproblem |
| 03:43.06 | LoneWlf | Well, he's in knoppix |
| 03:43.06 | bob2 | and knoppix does indeed suck |
| 03:43.06 | freemo_ | louieB, i use knoppix too althou not until recently (cause debian was goign belly up on me) |
| 03:43.06 | LoneWlf | er... using knoppix, off a cd rom drive, and trying to get a feel for it |
| 03:43.11 | dondelelcaro | yeesh. webuutyou or mandwrek |
| 03:43.14 | louieB | but can I run madrake from a CD-R or must I instal on a new partition? |
| 03:43.17 | newblistic | can someone please ping this addy and see if they get a reply 24.174.111.205:22 |
| 03:43.33 | bob2 | louieB: this run fro mcd crap is only for playing |
| 03:43.36 | biohazrd | if i make a chagne in inittab for a respawning process, how do i get it to reread inittab? |
| 03:43.41 | bob2 | louieB: you will need a partition to do anything useful |
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| 03:43.47 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: ubuntu is pimp |
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| 03:44.02 | LoneWlf | newblistic : the protocol is up... |