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00:00.24cafuegohelloyo: ExplorerPS/2 in X will work.
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00:00.30helloyothanks cafuego
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00:01.09MrPAnyone have any idea why I am getting this error? you don't seem to have 'make' or 'gmake' in your PATH.
00:01.22MrPmake is installed and in my path
00:01.25notPonchavaldyn_, nvm my question about the missing files etc... it looks like i don't even need to do what i am trying to
00:01.28notPonchaheh
00:01.29mentorMrP: Because you don't have make or gmake in your PATH?
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00:01.45valdyn_!win notPoncha
00:01.45dpkgCongratulations, notPoncha! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
00:01.46mentorMrP: What are you getting the error from?
00:01.56notPonchai was SO sure there was no support for my soundcard in kernel tree that i did not even look into the modules tree :)
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00:02.12MrPmentor: Trying to run configure for QT
00:02.15notPonchanoticed that while unpacking kernel source :)
00:02.18zaeww
00:02.24MrPI ran it once, but I forgot a step so I am re-running it
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00:02.33dondelelcaroMrP: yuck. Just install the debian package and be done with it.
00:02.34mentorMrP: Well, can you dump the PATH in configure?
00:02.49MrPI don't think so.. I was looking at the options
00:02.51zaMrP, try rm config.cache or whatnot, and rerun ./configure ?
00:03.05MrPza: config.status?
00:03.09zahum
00:03.22MrPor config.tests
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00:03.39zaMrP, you can run 'make' right?
00:03.44MrPza: Yes
00:03.52cafuegoor maybe don't try to compile Qt and just install the debian package?
00:04.02MrPLike I said, I had ran the configure once, and now I can't again
00:04.08MrPcafuego: Where is it?
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00:04.09zaMrP, so the qt configure script is saying it can't find it ?
00:04.17zaMrP, oh I'm confused anyway
00:04.18MrPza: I guess
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00:04.31cafuegoCoz it's not the kind of thing you should be playing with if you can't even make ./configure work.
00:04.36MrPYou don't seem to have 'make' or 'gmake' in your PATH.
00:04.39MrPThat is what I get
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00:05.05Tezkahanyone wanna link me to some nice debian wallpapers?
00:05.27MrPHow can I get the debian package? I didn't see it on their site
00:05.38zahum
00:06.05dondelelcaroMrP: apt-get install libqt3c
00:06.12dondelelcaros/c//
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00:06.31petemcTezkah: http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_wallpapers_full/104.php
00:06.52notPoncha!win dpkg
00:06.53dpkgCongratulations, dpkg! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
00:06.53Tezkahoh my gosh, she's a woman!
00:07.23WiFiTuxholy shit
00:07.36WiFiTuxnow only a women, but a mighty women
00:07.42WiFiTuxwoman
00:07.58cafuegoYou'll go dumb if you stare at blondes all day.
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00:08.09WiFiTuxcafuego, hahaha
00:08.09zaheh
00:08.12difetahow can i mount a filesystem in rw mode for all users?
00:08.25Tezkahoh baby! http://www.horus.at/~bjelli/event/17c3/tshirt-debian.jpg
00:08.28zadifeta, mount /foo -o rw,remount ?
00:08.50zadifeta, and chown/chmod stuff? and vim /etc/fstab ?
00:09.23cafuegoTezkah: Much better, she's pretty!
00:09.30zalol
00:09.49difetaza, unfortunatly i cannot use fstab, i'm playingwith asutomount
00:09.54difetaautomount
00:09.55try_catch_thismount /foo -no rw,remount mabe?
00:10.10zadifeta, eww :/
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00:11.52WiFiTuxok! I'm having a gnome issue here....
00:12.11MrPDarn it anyways!!! qt still doesn't work
00:12.13zahere or there?
00:12.13WiFiTuxWhenever I try opening something related to the file system, it takes hours opening a window...
00:12.15WiFiTuxany cluw?
00:12.19WiFiTuxclue?
00:12.21MrPHow can I uninstall a program I installed?
00:12.22zaWiFiTux, how many hours?
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00:12.40WiFiTuxza, ha ha ha!  but really like 20 minutes
00:12.45zaWiFiTux, apt-get install fam might help
00:12.47WiFiTuxfoe real
00:12.53TezkahI'm compiling a kernel... and it appears I'm suffering some.... "performance issues"
00:12.55WiFiTuxza, fam?
00:12.55Tezkah:P
00:12.55valdyn_!doesn't work
00:12.55dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
00:12.58zaWiFiTux, unless its installed already, in which case I would blame fam :)
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00:13.10za!fam
00:13.11dpkgmethinks fam is a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source
00:13.17cafuegoTezkah: No, your 386 really *is* that slow.
00:13.31Tezkah:(
00:13.36WiFiTuxza, so remove fam?
00:13.37Tezkahits a 2000+ athlon!
00:13.40zaWiFiTux, nautilus loves fam
00:13.43ThibI've made changes to the PATH in /etc/profile but they don't show up everywhere after reboot. For instance if I log on at the text prompt on tty1, the new path shows up when I type echo $PATH, but if say I log on to KDE and open an Xterm, echo $PATH shoiws the old path. Any ideas how I can make the changes in /etc/profile stick, or why it worked for some and not for others?
00:13.47zaWiFiTux, is it installed (fam) and running?
00:13.55WiFiTuxza, let me check
00:13.57k8tois there a faq of some kind re: joystick + unwanted activation of xscreensvaer?
00:14.12k8tofam is a performance measure for file monitoring
00:14.15WiFiTuxza, already installed
00:14.22zaWiFiTux, and running ?
00:14.24valdyn_Thib: look into ~/.bashrc and ~/.profile
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00:14.38WiFiTuxza,  I have 4 other system with the exact config and they don't have this issue. let me check if running
00:14.41WiFiTuxps aux?
00:15.31try_catch_thisMrP: `apt-get remove foo.deb`
00:15.31zaWiFiTux, ps -A | grep fam
00:15.32k8toaux works too but you'll get a nag line :D
00:15.32Thibvaldyn_: yes but those would be the .bashrc and the .profile of a given user. I meant for the change to apply to all users without me having to go to everyone's home directory or asking every user to change something.
00:15.55WiFiTuxza, nop. ps -A | grep fam returns nothing.
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00:16.00Thibthe change seems to have applied in some places, though... that's also what I'm trying to understand.
00:16.03valdyn_Thib: /etc/bash.bashrc
00:16.06zaWiFiTux, try start it '/etc/init.d/fam start'
00:16.45k8tothib: it's _possible_ to just override the global in per-user settings
00:16.52zaWiFiTux, you might need to start portmap first...
00:16.53WiFiTuxza, Ok, I started it... should I see difference now?
00:16.54Thibvaldyn_: yes but not everyone uses the bash either; for instance, perl runs sh when it runs shell commands, and changes in the Bash config don't show up in other shells.
00:16.55k8tothib: but probably yes bash.bashrc
00:17.02WiFiTuxza, ok
00:17.09zaWiFiTux, killall nautilus
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00:17.18Tezkahhehe, nautilis
00:17.19k8tothib: well you said you changed /etc/profile
00:17.20zaWiFiTux, that will just restart nautilus
00:17.25valdyn_Thib: ls -l /bin/sh
00:17.34zaWiFiTux, and then try, yeah
00:17.40k8tothib: also, it's common to put PATH into the evironment, where all shells will probably pick it up
00:17.45WiFiTuxza, hhmm nah.. that will kick me out.
00:17.51zaWiFiTux, no. It won't.
00:17.54k8tothib: i mean, all subshells
00:18.03WiFiTuxza, yeah right. I'll do it anyway
00:18.21k8tothib: if you have csh/tcsh users you'll have to tweak up /etc/cshrc
00:18.21try_catch_thisdpkg is a kick ass bot, anyone know any bots that are better than him (its the best irc bot I have seen)
00:18.21dpkgYou are moron #1020, try_catch_this
00:18.35Thibk8to: I did. But the changes seem to not be seen everywhere. Users who open xterm's in their favorite desktop environment report seeing the old $PATH, for instance, whereas ssh connections or other terminals seem to have the new PATH.
00:18.49zaWiFiTux, any difference ?
00:19.03k8tothib: do you know about sh -x -v?
00:19.06WiFiTuxza, so killall nautilus did nothing I think
00:19.08WiFiTuxlet me try
00:19.09try_catch_thisdpkg is a kick ass bot, anyone know any bots that are better than him (its the best irc bot I have seen)
00:19.09dpkgtry_catch_this: You are moron #1021
00:19.15KrOnOsmy wine compilation (./configure) is stuck at : checking whether we need to define __i386__...
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00:19.21try_catch_thisummm
00:19.25k8todpkg ass
00:19.25try_catch_this0_o
00:19.25dpkgsomebody said ass was titties,ass and titties. ass and titties. oh yes.
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00:19.37Thibk8to: no; not off the top of my head anyway. What do these switches do?
00:19.40k8tohmm i wonder what triggers it
00:19.40Tezkahdpkg isn't annoying
00:19.40dpkgwish i knew, Tezkah
00:19.45notPonchaok. still no sound. i am probably missing some modules to load... here are sound-related modules i upped by now: sound snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_au8820 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc snd_timer snd_ac97_codec snd_mpu401_uart snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device snd soundcore (most of them were autoloaded when i modprobbed snd_au8820 , which is supposed to be my card's driver)
00:19.54try_catch_thiscompiling stuff is a bitch, unless you wrote the program yourself
00:19.59k8tothib: one requests verbose invocation, the other requests echoing of interpolated lines
00:20.03WiFiTuxza, nothing. is not even related to themes either. it's something in the file system.. what else could i try
00:20.14k8tothib: if you invoke a script that way you'll get a globboxula amount of output you can sort through
00:20.17valdyn_notPoncha: what does "alsamixer" display?
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00:20.33zaWiFiTux, no idea then. You could try the #gnome guys on irc.gimp.org
00:20.42k8tothib: when having these kinds of issues i often run the shells in this manner redirecting stderr to append to a per-user logfile
00:20.45WiFiTuxza, thanks.
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00:20.47zaWiFiTux, or on here
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00:20.52k8tothib: eg. debugging
00:20.53WiFiTuxza, k
00:20.58k8tobasically you're going to hvae to investigate
00:21.03k8toyour symptoms are not simple
00:21.03ThibI see.
00:21.03SharkYhi
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00:21.21k8toif i was logged into your box i could probably poke around a bit and find the issues
00:21.26k8tobut i'm not, nor should I
00:21.39Tezkahbrb, booting into new kernel
00:21.47k8toif you want to poke around and ask questions, I think we can answer them, but I don't think we can know the problem easily
00:21.52DemiGuruI got this error message out of the blue -  hdb: task_in_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, I was able to recover from it by recreating the partition and restoring from backup. Everything is working fine but the question now is - Is the hard drive showing signs of failure or is just a fluk?
00:22.01ThibI'm just surprised the old values are still sticking around for some. Also, I'm surprised the same user can see different values when using the machine in different contexts (text console, Xterm, or ssh connec tion)
00:22.01SharkYi'm trying to install sarge in my laptop, but i cant install with 2.4 kernel, only with 2.6
00:22.05epsilonQuestion, is it possible under ext3 filesystem to reserve a fix space for a file? I have a large logfile which grows per cronjob, I want it in one peace (no fragmentation) and reserve f.e. 1GB for the logfile to avoid fragmentation. Is that possible?
00:22.08k8tothib: questions to ask
00:22.16k8tothib: what is your path if you log in as those users locally?
00:22.16notPonchavaldyn_, function snd_ctl_open faild for default: No such file or directory
00:22.21k8tothib: eg. su - username
00:22.30k8to(from root)
00:22.31notPoncha*failed
00:22.38SharkYand if i install with 2.6 kernel, my system is too slow
00:22.41k8tothe - is critical
00:22.57k8to"su <username>" <-wrong  "su - <username>" <-correct
00:23.05valdyn_notPoncha: alsa drivers load, no matte if device actually is found or available - so maybe its not found or an oss driver already loaded
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00:23.15zak8to, why would you say that ?
00:23.18Thibusers logging on locally at the text prompt have the new PATH, but when opening Xterms after logging into KDE or Gnome they have the old PATH. Users connecting remotely have the new PATH also.
00:23.19J_Phi all
00:23.21k8toza: which part?
00:23.22DemiGuruscarynetworkguy: Are you there?
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00:23.46notPonchavaldyn_, i guess oss drivers are loaded (from the list i have) . i will rmmod them all and try again
00:23.47zak8to, sorry, I missunderstood your point.
00:23.49k8toza: if you want to find about the environment for 'username', then failing to use the - is not a very useful test
00:23.51drlionI keep typing `dict' when I mean `man' or `apt-cache show' --- I think these three commands all perform the same conceptual operation.  Wouldn't it be cool if the manpages and Debian package descriptions were available as dictd dictionaries?
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00:24.00zak8to, ^^
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00:24.14k8tothib: can you reproduce that symptom yourself?
00:24.18zarchnedrlion also info and wtf
00:24.19The_Vulturedrlion: perhaps you need a cat scan
00:24.21k8tothib: how many users are using this one computer with X?
00:24.30Thiboh sure.
00:24.52k8tothib: it sounds like a script in the X startup process is changing the path
00:25.22ThibI can see the same things myself. My unprivileged account sees the right PATH through ssh and at the prompt. But the old PATH through KDE or Gnome.
00:25.33k8tothib: this was common practice at some point in history
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00:25.39Thibyeah that could be it, since it only happens in X contexts.
00:25.48k8towhen gnome and kde and maybe x programs had an additioanal directory
00:25.51J_Panyone know one good streaming server mp3 as gnump3d ?
00:25.59DeafIs this is "channel blah"?
00:26.10Deafoh nevermind it "debian
00:26.12k8tothib: perhaps you should look at your startx script
00:26.18valdyn_Thib: you sure its "X"? Bash does execute different scripts depending if it is a login shell or not
00:26.22k8tothib: and/or your .xsession/.xinitrc
00:26.32notPonchavaldyn_, removed all oss module -> alsamixer has same result
00:26.35Deafdoes anybody know how to use this "KDevelop"??
00:26.49Thibvaldyn_: I'm not sure of anything at this point :-)
00:26.50k8tovaldyn/thib: that is easily testable
00:26.54DeafDoes this program would work the same as C++?
00:27.10k8tovaldyn: log in text, check the path.  type 'bash' at the prompt, check the path
00:27.12Thibvaldyn_: but it's a good point that bash under KDE/Gnome isn't used as a login shell, whereas it is in the other situations.
00:27.14k8toerr
00:27.17k8tothib: log in text, check the path.  type 'bash' at the prompt, check the path
00:27.21valdyn_Thib: /etc/profile only goes for login shells
00:27.31MrPGrrrrr, I keep getting this stupid error: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
00:27.33zaDeaf, C++ is a language, kdevelop lets you develop apps written in C++  ...
00:27.33NurbsDeaf: it's an IDE
00:27.33DeafIs KDevelop is same as C++?
00:27.33zarchneDeaf:  Dunno, but I can tell you KDE uses C++ a lot, yes.
00:27.42MrPI have it installed and I am passing the location to it and everything
00:27.50dondelelcaroMrP: you need the libqt3-dev package
00:27.53k8toby default on debian, the login and resource scripts are pretty synchronized
00:27.54DeafThanks three
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00:28.02dondelelcaroMrP: what exactly are you trying to build here?
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00:28.17ktroutnice.
00:28.21Thiblog in text, echo $PATH: new PATH, bash, echo $PATH: new PATH, exit, exit
00:28.21MrPdondelelcaro: ksmoothdock
00:28.32Thibit's the new PATH both times in text.
00:28.37valdyn_notPoncha: alsa needs some alias stuff too - try do do your stuff via "alsaconf" if you havent and make sure modules config is updated /etc/init.d/module-init-tools
00:28.44k8tothib: so, it is not a bashrc problem
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00:28.48Thibvaldyn_: oh it does? hmm, thanks for pointing this out.
00:29.21dondelelcaroMrP: ah... yeah, you'll need the libqt3-dev package, and build-essential, and possibly a few other items.
00:29.22dondelelcaroMrP: most of ksmoothdock's build dependencies should be in Debian though
00:29.27k8tothib: mostly what you set up in /etc/profile is env variables, so they stay set across subshells
00:29.33DeafI'm running Knoppix as well right now, I dont know if there's KDE program in my Knoppix, Perhap i may be wrong what i say, first.. what 's KDE? it "Kernel Desktop"?
00:29.35k8tothib: (does all this language make snse)?
00:29.55Deafthat, yes i am running KDE
00:30.01zaDeaf, K Desktop Environment, kde.org...
00:30.01Thibk8to: yes.
00:30.02valdyn_k8to: yea it does, but bashrc can overwrite that
00:30.07k8tothib: you might do like sh -x -v 2>x-startup-crap /usr/bin/startx
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00:30.14mentecoWhere can I get the Tempus Sans ITC italics font?
00:30.15DeafI dont know if i have C++ in my Knoppix
00:30.16scarynetworkguythomas_adam: ping
00:30.21Deafi just dont know which program ..
00:30.24k8tothib: and greb that for PATH
00:30.28thomas_adamscarynetworkguy: pong/
00:30.28didieroi
00:30.29k8tovaldyn: but we just tested
00:30.35didierbrasil
00:30.36Deafis linux cplustwice
00:30.37Thiblet me punch that in somewhere.
00:30.41g4ltDeaf ask #knoppix then
00:30.46Deafha...
00:30.46valdyn_k8to: ok - im not follow that close atm
00:30.48Deafalright
00:30.50cafuego!portugese
00:30.50valdyn_k8to: ok - im not following that close atm
00:30.50dpkgfale por favor o inglês quando no #debian assim que em todos pode o compreender. Se você quiser usar uma outra língua, junte o #debian-rs.  Para ajuda em Portugus, use o canal #Debian-BR
00:30.57k8tovaldyn: fair enough
00:30.57scarynetworkguyThe Church?
00:30.58zamenteco, adobe.com ?
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00:31.00QuaD-can someone help me with my routing tables and iproute2? i have been struggling for 2 days
00:31.00didierip
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00:31.09didieraki
00:31.11thomas_adamscarynetworkguy: 'Is this where you live?'
00:31.17k8tothib: after you exit x
00:31.23k8tothib: you will have a big textfile called that
00:31.31scarynetworkguythomas_adam: yes
00:31.31k8to(or during x, but it will be getting bigger)
00:31.34thomas_adamscarynetworkguy: Yes, a most excellent band.
00:31.41didierajuda
00:31.51scarynetworkguythomas_adam: excellent now I go back to hacking RH :)
00:31.52k8tothib: be sure not to fill your disk (not likely) and put it somewhere you have rights
00:31.55thomas_adam;0
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00:32.55cafuegomenteco: ITC fonts are payware. You can probably buy it from a distributor.
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00:33.20mentecocafuego, ok thanks
00:33.22Thibk8to: unfortunately, no changes to the PATH are made by startx
00:33.33cafuegomenteco: http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/tempus-sans-itc/  <-- US$21.00
00:33.37k8tothen read your .xinitrc and/or .xsession
00:33.44Deafnobody seem response to me in Knoppix, it quiet...
00:33.46k8toby default, startx will invoke .xinitrc
00:33.53Thibyeah I'm going to need to poke around.
00:33.56zaadobe.com sell ITC fonts too
00:33.57Morphous__can it be that x+nvidia-binary driver leaks memmory?
00:34.04k8toon my debian, .xinitrc just runs .xsession
00:34.40c0rtexI'm trying to install plone, but all I get is a big mess, how can this be made to work?
00:34.41k8tothib: other reasonable things to do involve like echoing the current path right before the windowmanager gets invoked in your .xsession/initrc
00:34.48cafuegoThe italic one is on fonts.com for US$32.00
00:34.54k8tothib: to see if it's gnome or kde somehow
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00:35.02Thibyeah
00:35.04freedom101hi
00:35.07freedom101everyone
00:35.17k8tothib: my favourte horrifying brute force measure goes like this
00:35.18el_rapidohi
00:35.34k8tostrace -f startx 2>dump
00:35.38zaanyone know what font this is btw? http://marlin.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
00:35.41k8togrep setenv dump
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00:35.52DeafI have .txt that's codes for c++, I want to save as ".cpp" or ".whatever" that's c++ in linux
00:36.07k8tomaybe that's ltrace
00:36.08k8toanyway
00:36.10dondelelcaroDeaf: so mv foo.txt foo.cpp
00:36.12k8toi don't really recommend that
00:36.12notPonchavaldyn_, conffed alsaconf, halfway there (it detected the card and started alsa). but now arts won't open sound , says it has no permission to open sound device for playback
00:36.19k8tobut that's one thing i do sometimes when i'm annoyed
00:36.25Deafkay it ".cpp" alright
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00:36.35notPonchavaldyn_, my user is in group audio , also i gave a+rw on /dev/dsp0 and /dev/audio0
00:36.39k8tomy question: Joysticks + Screensavers => is there a solution?
00:36.46k8totired of my screen going black
00:36.52dondelelcarok8to: turn the screensaver off.
00:37.02cafuegoDeaf: As far as gcc cares code.wibble can be c++
00:37.06kregcan i say something like "route add -host 192.168.*.* reject except 192.168.3.2"
00:37.06k8todondelelcaro: yes i uh, am aware of that option :D
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00:37.23dondelelcarok8to: almost all games and most media players should be capable of disabling the screensave.
00:37.25k8todondelelcaro: is that the only one?
00:37.27dondelelcaros/ve/ver/
00:37.39dondelelcarok8to: that's the proper one. Everything else is moderately to extreemly insane.
00:37.41k8todondelelcaro: wait, each game itself has to disble the screensaver?
00:37.44zak8to, can't you xset -dpms ; run your app; xset +dpms ?
00:38.07dondelelcarok8to: yes. It should disable it when it starts, and restore the previous setting when it exists.
00:38.07k8toza: uh, that requires either remembering (which will be highly unreliable)
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00:38.23Deafahola, it worked...
00:38.25k8toza: or wrapping a LOT of programs with silly shell scripts
00:38.35zak8to, just a suggestion
00:38.41davisfactorhas anyone successfuly generated maps using kismet's gpsmap with debian?
00:38.42k8todondelelcaro: I file that under moderately insane
00:38.47k8toza: heh
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00:38.50notPonchavaldyn_, does alsa use /dev/dsp /dev/audio or are there other devices i should look at ?
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00:38.55Thiblol k8to ^^
00:38.59zak8to, which apps are you talking about anyway?
00:39.03Deafone problem... Now i want it ".cpp" become ".exe" how do i do taht?
00:39.13k8toza/dondelelcaro: i guess i will just disable xscreensaver forever
00:39.17k8towhich is sad
00:39.19k8tobecause i like it
00:39.22cafuegok8to: alias run='xset -dpms ; $* ; xset +dpms'
00:39.28g4ltDeaf try compiling it with g++
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00:39.37cafuegok8to: All you'll need to remember is to play games as 'run game'
00:39.46k8tocafuego: well uh, run-no-screensaver maybe
00:39.50Deafkay, can you type in shell?
00:39.54cafuegoDeaf: mv file.cpp file.exe
00:40.08g4ltDeaf why don't you first amn g++ for the hell of it
00:40.09Deafcafuego, alright i'll do that
00:40.09k8tocafuego: then there are odd things that daemonize for no reason etc. :~(
00:40.10try_catch_thisare you supposed to pass arguments to XFree86 inorder to get it to work properly? because it crashes (causes the monitor to turn off) when I try t start it
00:40.11g4ltman
00:40.11cafuegok8to: Whatever alias suits you aesthetical requirements.
00:40.23cafuegok8to: Up to and not limited to alias command.com='...'
00:40.37freedom101for debian iso what do you recommande for a stable release?
00:40.37k8to:(
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00:40.55cafuegofreedom101: Desktop or server?
00:41.05freedom101both
00:41.08k8toza: oh, UAE, x64, snes9x and nesultra mainly
00:41.17cafuegofreedom101: Home or production server?
00:41.18freedom101i got desktop and one server
00:41.28k8toza: but there are some others
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00:41.46cafuegofreedom101: Go with Sarge then.
00:41.47DeafNo no no, i want it debug
00:41.51k8toi was playing a rousing game of bruce lee
00:41.53freedom101ok
00:41.57Deafnot change different "file"
00:41.57k8tothe other day
00:42.04freedom101thanks for your time cafuego.
00:42.05Deafjust build to become .exe
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00:42.21notPonchaoops... it does work... when i put it on "autodetect" instead of "alsa" ;)
00:42.22notPonchahmm
00:42.23Deaflike in c++
00:42.25zaDeaf, You've just installed knoppix and are trying out kdevelop ?
00:42.36Deafi have this Kdevelop
00:42.43k8tocafuego: i really wish i could teach xscreensaver to watch /dev/js0
00:42.45Deafon KNOPPIX LIVE
00:42.48Deafthat's not matter
00:42.51k8toi mean, i guess i could do, but i'm too lazy :(
00:42.51Deafit still linux
00:42.56polmI am trying to compile "Firewalk". It requires the dnet.h (libdumbnet-dev) to compile. I have installed the libdumbnet-deb package via apt-get , but I am still receiving this error when I try to compile Firewalk: "checking for arp_get in -ldnet... no"
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00:43.15zaDeaf, I'm sure #knoppix would be a better place to ask though
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00:43.17DeafI only want to have ".cpp" turn into ".exe" to run it
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00:43.35DeafIn "#Knoppix" is a quiet room
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00:43.40k8topolm: it's trying to compile a test program and failing
00:43.42Deaf*channel ..
00:43.48k8topolm: sometimes in the config.log you will see the actual error
00:43.53k8topoml: which can be informative
00:43.56zaDeaf, open a konsole, do 'g++ file.cpp'
00:44.03k8topolm: (towards the bottom)
00:44.06Deafok
00:44.11cafuegoDeaf: Well, you'll need to compile your source code. 'make 'file' might do the trick.
00:44.19GuerinDeaf: what in $DEITY's anme makes you think you need to call a .cpp file .exe to run it?
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00:44.30zacafuego, by the sound of it, its a single cpp file he got from a website :/
00:44.32Guerinor even make it executable itfp?
00:44.35k8toi recommend cafuego's over za's
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00:44.42k8todeaf: i recommend cafuego's over za's, make file
00:44.45polmk8to: can I post the lines in config.log here (3 lines), or should I post in #flood ?
00:44.48Deafinteresting about g++
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00:44.54WiFiTuxhow can I remove the WHOLE gnome packets?
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00:44.59k8topolm: i'm by no means a regular
00:45.06polmconfig.log:configure:2364: checking for arp_get in -ldnet
00:45.06polmconfig.log:configure:2391: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -Wall   conftest.c -ldnet  -lpcap -lnet  >&5
00:45.06polmconfig.log:configure:2421: error: No libdnet?  http://libdnet.sourceforge.net.
00:45.07cafuegoWiFiTux: have a look at debfoster
00:45.07Deafdebugging it
00:45.11k8topolm: you can flood them to me?
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00:45.19WiFiTuxcafuego, debfoster?>
00:45.20WiFiTuxok
00:45.25k8toza: sorry if i missed it
00:45.34polmk8to: I just pasted them here.
00:45.43Deafnevermind guys, it "g++" what i want..
00:45.47Deafthanks
00:45.53k8topolm: that isn't very useful
00:46.00thomas_adamDeaf: build-essential
00:46.04k8topoml: sometimes i cut out conftest
00:46.15k8topolm: conftest.c from the configure script
00:46.19k8toand then run the command by hand
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00:46.24k8topolm: can you do that?
00:46.27Deaf"build-essential" note taken..
00:46.29helloyois there a repository that has most of non-debian debs? like dvdrip and mplayer?
00:46.37polmk8to: I can try :-)
00:46.40k8topolm: there might be a better way but i don't know it
00:46.44thomas_adam!tell helloyo about mplayer
00:46.44za!mplayer debs
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00:46.54k8topolm: you have to find the right test of course, the oen talking about libdnet
00:47.18thomas_adamza: No.
00:47.28helloyothanks thomas_adam, no idea about an http one? i can't use ftp
00:47.30zathomas_adam, No what?
00:47.43thomas_adamhelloyo: Sure you can.
00:48.01helloyothomas_adam, really? do i just change the ftp to http?
00:48.03k8topolm: sometimes it is an issue of paths, sometimes versioning (they want something not available in the version of libdnet you have), .. sometimes you forgot to install the C compiler
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00:49.28J_Panyne know one other streaming mp3 server as GNUMP3D ?
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00:49.47zaJ_P, icecast and friends ?
00:50.33J_Pza: humm ok...
00:50.57zaJ_P, if it's just for streaming music over your lan, you could also just use esd
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00:51.37freedom101if the sarge version have 13 cd its because i must compile it?
00:51.51helloyoyes! thanks heaps thomas_adam
00:51.51dondelelcarofreedom101: no, that's because sarge has a few thousand packages.
00:51.54dondelelcaro!dstats sarge
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00:52.02dpkgDebian Distro Stats on sarge... 14932 packages, 1350 maintainers, 27308 MB installed size, 8929 MB compressed size.
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00:52.14J_Pza: is better than gnump3d ?
00:52.21dondelelcaroso yes, 8.9G of compressed packages takes about 13 cdroms.
00:52.34zaJ_P, I have no idea, I've never tried gnump3d.
00:52.48thomas_adamCDE. \o/
00:52.57helloyoi can't believe i'm already a debian convert
00:53.03zathomas_adam, solaris comes with gnome also...
00:53.14scarynetworkguy\o/
00:53.14JaritsuI got a question about installing using an Intel RAID controler. It says I need a module on floppy, which I built but it says it can't find the "boot" directory when I try to use it. Help?
00:53.18thomas_adamza: I am installing it _specifically_ for CDE,
00:53.48zathomas_adam, Im guessing your really bored. Or want to play with vmware :)
00:54.08thomas_adamza: No. I really do like CDE.
00:54.12zawow
00:54.28thomas_adamMotif rocks.
00:54.31scarynetworkguyya gotta love some old school CDE action
00:54.42thomas_adamHeh.
00:54.49zaMotif can be really pretty
00:54.56zaI never liked CDE though.
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00:55.35cafuegodondelelcaro: or one DVD.
00:55.41thomas_adamscarynetworkguy: What made you ask about 'The Church'? I'm impressed. :)
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00:55.51dondelelcarocafuego: one dual layer DVD...
00:56.00dondelelcaroor double sided or whatever we're at now
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00:56.07cafuegodondelelcaro: *nod* Why use the other kind, 4.3GB is pitiful!
00:56.18scarynetworkguythomas_adam: I'm still at work and they happen to be what is on my iTunes :)
00:56.21dondelelcarocafuego: uh, because the dual layer is like 10 times the cost of a single layer? ;-)
00:56.31cafuegodondelelcaro: blu-ray dual-layer extra-fries chicken-salt discs.
00:56.37nvz<PROTECTED>
00:56.38relexIS THERE ANYW AY
00:56.40relexTO DOWNLOAD
00:56.42relexONLY ONE FILE
00:56.45relexFROM BITTORRENT
00:56.49relexOUT OF LIKE
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00:56.53Jaritsuok can someone tell me what kernel version the latest stable debian install CD uses?
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00:57.02dondelelcarorelex: when you're finished with the caps and enter, let me know.
00:57.07cafuegoSilly kids.
00:57.09xenwrylyI want to use logrotate to rotate my irc logs but I don't want old logs to be deleted ever.  If there's no rotate directive will that be the effect?  Is there a better way to rotate my irc logs?
00:57.17cafuegorelex: Incidentally: no.
00:57.21dondelelcarorelex: and yes, there is. Use one of the GUI clients, and select the file you want.
00:57.49Jaritsukernel version? anyone?
00:57.55Jaritsuon the latest stabel debian install CD?
00:58.00Jaritsuer.. stable*
00:58.11Jaritsu2.4.x or 2.6.x?
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00:58.22zaJaritsu, 2.2, 2.4 as an option IIRC
00:58.23dondelelcaroJaritsu: yes.
00:58.24helloyoin kde how do i change all of the "Audio Player (Noatun)" entries in the menu? i know what Noatun is
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00:58.40Jaritsu??? yes what? 2.4 or 2.6?
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00:58.45zawoody comes with 2.6 ? :)
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00:59.06g4ltJaritsu you've already gotten the answer three times FFS
00:59.28Jaritsubah I missed your reply za =/
00:59.31Jaritsuthanks
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00:59.59_fatalbluanyone have a clue why my mouse would randomly stop working
01:00.15Nitrocldwhat kind of mouse?
01:00.22zaA broken one
01:00.24zahohoho
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01:00.26freedom101lol
01:00.31ec=)
01:00.34_fatalblutouchpad
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01:00.44_fatalbluon a toshiba satellite a65
01:00.46helloyohow do i edit the kde-menu? it doesn't update it
01:00.58_fatalbluthat and my damn ac97 sound still doesnt want to work
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01:01.10nvzhelloyo: ask in kde, or install menu
01:01.19nvzhelloyo: #kde
01:01.45helloyook, thanks
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01:01.57biologisthow do you set a default browser? using debian + kde
01:02.20zagnomes menu editing thingy is cool
01:02.20dondelelcarobiologist: using update-alternatives
01:02.32za!default browser
01:02.36zaarf
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01:03.05za!defaultbrowser
01:03.07nuixfatalblu: my mouse is also running wildly randomly
01:03.08nvzgnome has a "menu editing thingy"?
01:03.11dondelelcarobiologist: specifcally, update-alternatives --config www-browser
01:03.42zanvz, sure, go to applications:// in nautilus. Add remove at will. Menus get updated straight away (if your using fam)
01:03.47zaapt, defaultbrowser
01:03.50apti guess defaultbrowser is To set the default web browser, set your preferred browser as the first choice for the "text/html" mimetype in the file associations
01:03.50scarynetworkguy!lart RH for having fucking stupid network scripts
01:03.59zahuh
01:04.04nvzza: oh, well I dont use nautilus
01:04.06zathats been overwritten
01:04.25dondelelcaroyeesh. that's totally wrong.
01:04.27zanvz, then it won't work for you :)
01:04.43nvzza: obviously not
01:04.49zaapt, forget defaultbrowser
01:04.49apti forgot defaultbrowser, za
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01:04.55dondelelcarowell, it's right for things that use mimetypes, but not for things that just want to use a web browser to call an url...
01:05.00Omega11debian linux sucks
01:05.04Deafwhat's the name of the file that's alike batch file from in MS-DOS, Is there "Linux Batch File" ?? Or that's Emac?
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01:05.13Tezkahanyone want to tell my why cpufreqd isn't lowering my clock speed?
01:05.14zadondelelcaro, erm, should I undelete it ? :)
01:05.17dondelelcaros/right/sort of right/
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01:05.32dondelelcaroza: I think you can write a factoid that is a thousand times better... ;-)
01:05.37nvzza: I dont know how to stop gnome from starting nautilus when it logs in, or I might install it
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01:06.06Deafwhat's the name of the file that's alike batch file from in MS-DOS, Is there "Linux Batch File" ?? Or that's Emac?
01:06.15dondelelcaroDeaf: a shell script?
01:06.18zadondelelcaro, I wrote a couple of update-alternatives --config foo ones (ok, its at least 2 years ago).
01:06.38Deafis shell script is commanding every line while run one file?
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01:06.55biologistdondelelcaro: thanks - I did that, and it said: There is only 1 program which provides www-browser
01:06.56biologist(/usr/bin/links.main). Nothing to configure.
01:06.57Deafi dont know if that's the same as Batch file
01:07.04dondelelcaroDeaf: explain exactly what you're trying to do, and I might be able to help you.
01:07.08nvzDeaf: yes its the same
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01:07.17Deafso, it is same..
01:07.23Deafthanks... ok
01:07.25dondelelcarobiologist: yeah, you have to install something that can be linked to www-browser
01:07.38scarynetworkguy!punish my developers for not fucking putting screen on their box
01:07.47dondelelcarobiologist: or if you're talking about an X browser, it's x-www-browser
01:08.05nvzDeaf: you list shell commands in a file and make sure to make it executable, you prefix the first line with #! /path/to/interpreter
01:08.31dondelelcaroscarynetworkguy: heh
01:08.40biologistthnks
01:08.41scarynetworkguydondelelcaro: bad night at work :)
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01:08.53Deafwhy would i end it in interpreter?
01:08.54nvzDeaf: if you dont use an interpreter command it will run in whatever shell you are in, but if you plan to use it elsewhere its good to specify
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01:09.51Deafoh i thought it "#?" nevermind
01:09.55Deafduh me
01:10.24nvzDeaf: #! /bin/bash, #! /usr/bin/env/python.. etc
01:10.38Deafwhich "Shell Scripting" is the program? Kdevelop?
01:10.40nvzDeaf: you tell it what interpreter you want to execute the file
01:10.44aa4my newly installed debian systems doesn't have 127.0.0.1 as an interface when i run /sbin/ifconfig..why is this?
01:10.53Deafpython
01:10.54Deafok
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01:11.01nvzDeaf: you can shell script with any editoy
01:11.07nvzDeaf: editor ;)
01:11.11Deafalright
01:11.15nvzDeaf: this is just called scripting
01:11.18dondelelcaroaa4: you don't have an iface lo loopback; auto lo; line in /etc/network/interfaces;
01:11.20zaI'm becoming unsure if there is someone here hiding under a bridge
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01:11.27nvzDeaf: its not a shell script unless you have #! pointing to a shell
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01:12.03Deafso, i must type that "#! in the first line of the edit?
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01:12.05nvzDeaf: all scripts are just executable text files that are interpreted by a program like bash, csh, zsh, python or whatever
01:12.07aa4dondelelcaro thanks
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01:12.21dondelelcaroaa4: man 5 interfaces; will explain it
01:12.25MrPHow do you add paths in linux?
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01:12.42bhearsumis there any links package in debian with svga support?
01:12.48dondelelcaroMrP: set the PATH environmental variable in /etc/profile or similar
01:12.50Deafi must type "#!" file editor" in konsole??
01:12.51WandererI've got 6 Gmail invites, if you want one msg me
01:13.07zagmail scares me
01:13.07DeafTerminial Program i meant...
01:13.07aa4dondelelcaro do I have to reboot once I made changes?
01:13.25g4ltWanderer who doesn't have invites?
01:13.35zame! bah, noone loves me.
01:13.42Deafill just try it out
01:13.42nuixaa4:  ifdown lo
01:13.47Wandererg4lt: a good number of people.  instead of just ignoring them though I'll offer to any who might want
01:13.55nuixaa4: ifup lo/eth0
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01:14.19aa4nuix thank you
01:14.22g4ltWanderer no, really, the "market's" saturated for gmail invites, and has been for weeks
01:14.35dan2anybody teach chemistry here with teacher's textbook Modern Chemistry v2002
01:14.42nvzDeaf: you open an editor and on the first line of your script you put #! and the path to the interpreter
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01:14.46nuixaa4: you are welcome
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01:14.50Wandererg4lt: not selling or trading, giving
01:14.51Randysomething is slowly eating up all the RAM on my box.. what is there to do and figure out what it is?
01:15.05Randyactually is eating up all the ram on the box rather fast.
01:15.15CatamountHi.  I want to set up a dual boot situ on a Toshiba A30.  The problem is the NTFS file system.  I need t repartition it and then install Debian on the other partition, which should be abt 10 gig.
01:15.35WandererRandy: ps auwx | head
01:15.40g4ltWanderer are you deliberatly missing my point?  EVERYONE THAT WANTS A GMAIL INVITE ALREADY HAS ONE
01:15.46zinxRandy: first, make sure something really _IS_ eating it up; check the second line of free -m
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01:15.56zinxRandy: erh, second line of numbers, that is.. third line of output ;)
01:16.07nuixRandy:  u can also use the tool top
01:16.09RandyI see 0.0 for everything
01:16.10zinxRandy: -/+ buffers/cache:    used   free
01:16.11zag4lt, wants one
01:16.14nvzDeaf: when you run an executable file in a shell (command line) it will interpret the file itself, unless there is a line at the top telling it to pass the script to something else.. now if youe script is written in bash, and somehow you run it from somewhere other than bash, and there is no #! /bin/bash, on the first line, it will be misinterpreted
01:16.23Wandererg4lt: nope, not everyone
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01:17.03RandyVIRT, RES, SHR, are the only things with positive values
01:17.03g4ltWanderer look, you're being dense and offtopic.  STFU
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01:17.26Randycpu and mem are all under 0.1
01:17.45Wandererg4lt: I'm trying to be nice and offer an account to someone who might want one.  if you don't want one just let it go, no need to be pompus and insulting
01:18.00Randywhen I boot the system tho it does complain a lot about "Fail: no module unload support"
01:18.05g4ltWanderer what part of STFU did you not hear?
01:18.20WandererRandy: you may have an app with an odd memory leak but the ps should list anything using alot of memory
01:18.40*** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
01:18.40Wandererg4lt: you're not an op who can ban and you're just bing usless.  go away now
01:18.40*** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> READ THE FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ THE BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian is NOT Knoppix | sarge Base+Standard is now frozen; RC1 installer: /msg dpkg d-i | NO GMAIL INVITES! | X.org questions -> /msg dpkg xorg | BROKEN: libapr0 (#266165) | FIXED: | SECURITY: READ YOUR DSA!
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01:18.53MrPWhere can I install "qt-mt" from?
01:19.06dondelelcaroMrP: it should be libqt3-mt something...
01:19.14dondelelcaroMrP: apt-cache search libqt should show it
01:19.15CatamountI wonder if Wanderer was ignored, how long before he(?) got the message?  We could make bets.
01:19.18Abel`anyone can tell me the sources for Kde 3.3 in sarge?
01:20.07dondelelcaro!info kdebase sarge
01:20.10dpkgkdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.2.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 20 kB
01:20.12Deafi'm... confusing.. i can't find any editor program that'll make scripting shell
01:20.21MrPdondelelcaro: Ahh, thanks
01:20.23nvzAbel`: kde.org, apt-get.org, its off-topic here, kde is 3.2.2 in sarge
01:20.34Abel`nvz: thx
01:20.42nvzDeaf: every editor in the known universe
01:20.42dondelelcaro!tell Abel` about why kdebase is not in testing
01:20.49Deafok ok...
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01:20.55nvzDeaf: you put commands in a file, you set it excutable, thats it
01:20.59Deaflet just say about this "file.txt"
01:21.11MrPdondelelcaro: One more question, after installing it, what is it's path? Is there a command to find that?
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01:21.16Deafi put any command line in each different command line...
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01:21.19Abel`dondelelcaro: thanks
01:21.33dondelelcaroMrP: if you install the -dev package, you shouldn't have to specify the path... [it's /usr/include et al.]
01:21.35Deafthen, I should save as "file.WHAT?" that's shell scripting
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01:21.48dondelelcaroDeaf: doesn't matter.
01:21.48nvzDeaf: linux doesnt do that bullshit
01:21.57Deaf.......
01:21.59steve3help - i cant compile libssh
01:21.59Deaflol
01:22.00Deafok
01:22.04nvzDeaf: linux determines file types by what type of file they are not what they are called
01:22.05steve3i get this error
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01:22.15steve3ath1400:/home/steve/sshblaster/libssh-0.1# make
01:22.15steve3gcc -g -O2 -Iinclude/ -Wall -g   -c -o client.o client.c
01:22.15steve3In file included from client.c:21:
01:22.15steve3include/libssh/libssh.h:40: openssl/dsa.h: No such file or directory
01:22.15steve3include/libssh/libssh.h:41: openssl/rsa.h: No such file or directory
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01:22.24nvzDeaf: you can rename an mp3 to song.zip and windows thinks its a zip, linux does not do this
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01:22.35Tezkahargh,how do I make my processor slow down?
01:22.39Tezkahacpi fails me!
01:22.43steve3include/libssh/libssh.h:53: openssl/bn.h: No such file or directory
01:22.43steve3make: *** [client.o] Error 1
01:22.43dondelelcarosteve3: you haven't installed libssl-dev
01:22.45mclambok, im getting some weird things happening, i just logged on and a bunch of my programs are missing, xchat, evolution, office
01:22.51steve3okay
01:22.52mclambcan that just happen?
01:22.53dondelelcarosteve3: do not paste here.
01:23.05nvzDeaf: the only thing that counts is that the first line points to a valid interpreter that understands the rest of the commands in the file, and that its executable
01:23.07Deafif linux does not, how does it claim to know it zip, or video display...
01:23.12dondelelcaromclamb: if your hard drive is dying, yes. If you didn't pay attention when you ran apt-get dist-upgrade; yes.
01:23.24steve3sorry- forgot to use #flood
01:23.25MerlinCoreymclamb: what do you mean by missing..?  are they no longer installed..?  does dpkg know about them..?  is it just not in the X menu, what..?
01:23.25MerlinCorey:)
01:23.27Ox0F0-0FFi got a stupid program i can't kill and that keeps on creating subprocesses, any idea ?
01:23.36mclambthere no longer installed
01:23.42dondelelcaroOx0F0-0FF: killall -9 stupidprogramname
01:23.42nvzDeaf: by looking at the file headers
01:23.43mclambjust whole programs
01:23.44MrPgrrrrr, ksmoothdock still can't find the QT libraries... :(
01:23.57dondelelcaroMrP: did you install the -dev packages?
01:23.57mclambhow would i check my harddriver dondelelcaro?
01:24.14dondelelcaromclamb: if they are no longer installed, it's because you (or someone) removed them.
01:24.20Ox0F0-0FFdondelelcaro: already done
01:24.20nvzDeaf: it actually looks at the contents of the file to determine the type rather than the name.. imagine that
01:24.22Ox0F0-0FFnothing
01:24.25steve3now i get this error:collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
01:24.25steve3make: *** [all] Error 1
01:24.27Deafok ok.. where can i study this "file header" so i can understand how linux understand type of files...
01:24.36dondelelcarosteve3: the error is above that.
01:24.40nvzDeaf: all files are different.
01:24.49steve3libssh//libssh.so: undefined reference to `HMAC_Update'
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01:25.07nvzDeaf: I dont see why you need to study it, just understand that file extentions mean nothing, and that linux doesnt care about them
01:25.07MrPdondelelcaro: No, I'm trying to compile it myself. I have terrible luck finding binaries
01:25.10mclambi've been away and they were on here 2 hours ago
01:25.10Ox0F0-0FFsomething more powerful than kill-9 ?
01:25.20nvzDeaf: there is a program called file, that tells you what type of file a file is
01:25.22Deafi want to know how does it idenfy it.. like "i'm video" "I'm text"
01:25.26Ox0F0-0FFoh, killall -9
01:25.30Ox0F0-0FFhumm, i'll try
01:25.35CatamountHi.  I want to set up a dual boot situ on a Toshiba A30 which has winXP.  The problem is the NTFS file system.  I need to repartition it and then install Debian on the other partition, which should be abt 10 gig.  FIPS will not handle NTFS.
01:25.39nvzDeaf: text contains text, and video contains video
01:25.46mclambhow would i check my harddrive though
01:25.52dondelelcaroMrP: install the -dev packages of the libraries that you need, and then try to build your program.
01:26.04dondelelcaroMrP: building the kde libraries yourself is a sure way to insanity.
01:26.08Deafright... so i want to know what's read that's video or text.. how linux understand that?
01:26.08Ox0F0-0FFdondelelcaro: i get "no process killed"
01:26.19plangentCatamount:  Are you in North Carolina?
01:26.19dondelelcaroOx0F0-0FF: well then you didn't enter the right process name.
01:26.20Deafrephrase that..
01:26.23MrPdondelelcaro: Oh, no. I'm trying to compile ksmoothdock. Not hte KDE libraries
01:26.24nvzDeaf: the first few bytes of binary files i.e. non text files is a header, that tells the program that reads it, what it is, how long.. etc
01:26.25MrPthe*
01:26.50dondelelcaroMrP: yes, so make sure you have the -dev packages corresponding to the libraries that you need.
01:27.01Ox0F0-0FFpierre    3756  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        Zs   Sep13   0:00 [gftp-gtk] <defunct>   <------ what means "defunct" ?
01:27.10dondelelcaro!zombie
01:27.10dpkgA zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code.  This usually means the parent process is buggy.  You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
01:27.10MrPdondelelcaro: so qt-mt? And then what do I do with the -dev package?
01:27.15dondelelcaroMrP: install it.
01:27.26nvzDeaf: like an MP# not only has an MP# header telling the lenght bitrate..etc, but the last 128bytes or so at the end is the ID3 Tag Info
01:27.29MrPdondelelcaro: One more question, where can I find it? lol
01:27.40Deafnvz: i understand you... I want to know by codes, how exactly does it read "THAT"S ZIP" or "THAT'S VIDEO"
01:27.40dondelelcaroMrP: apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev;
01:27.59g4ltMrP have you considered apt-get build-dep kdebase?
01:27.59DeafTAG INFO
01:28.00nvzDeaf: you are obviously a windows refugee. first thing you need to do is forget everything you know because its lies and bullshit
01:28.00Deafok
01:28.01steve3how do i update my locate database
01:28.11Deaflol
01:28.12dondelelcaroDeaf: it uses various heuristics. apt-get source file; and read.
01:28.27Deafok, I have some interesting and understanding how it work
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01:28.43dondelelcarosteve3: it's done in a cron.daily cronjob.
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01:28.50zadondelelcaro, can you install stuff on a knoppix live cd ?
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01:29.09helloyodebian is a very very good distribution
01:29.12bahamathey, I was wondering if there's documentation out there on bootstraping a debian install from a currently running linux system
01:29.21CatamountNo, Ontario, Canada
01:29.22steve3steve@ath1400:~/sshblaster$ locate libssh.h
01:29.22steve3locate: warning: database `/var/cache/locate/locatedb' is more than 8 days old
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01:29.25za!rh2deb
01:29.25dpkghmm... rh2deb is some kind of HOWTO that bytopian wrote in which there are instructions to convert/upgrade a redhat system to a debian system in place w/o loss of data, and can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/3328/rh5todeb-howto.txt and a perl tool to help can be found at http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/3328/conversion-tools.tar.gz
01:29.26steve3that is my problem
01:29.27MrPdonedelelcaro: How do you find those? Is there a site? That way I wouldn't have to be bugging you all the time lol
01:29.28dondelelcaroza: probably... there's a remastering howto out there somewhere...
01:29.29zaheh
01:29.34Deafnvz: I just want to know all basic "Tag Label" files code.. you understand?
01:29.41dondelelcarosteve3: see /etc/cron.daily/dlocate
01:29.43bahamatza, oh you rock
01:29.45g4ltza better, debtakeover ;P
01:29.46zadondelelcaro, I was just pointing out the fact, that thats what he is using ;)
01:29.50steve3how do i see that?
01:29.54DeafI dont understand myself explain to you
01:29.57nvzDeaf: its not as simple as you are thinking, its not like 001 is mp3, 002 is jpg
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01:30.15nvzDeaf: it examines the data, each type of data has a specific structure
01:30.16dondelelcaroMrP: just apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev; you can figure out where they are by running apt-get search libqt;
01:30.17Deafok.. let me make one up..
01:30.25bahamatza, wow that howto is extremely old
01:30.27steve3steve@ath1400:~/sshblaster$ /etc/cron.daily/dlocate
01:30.27steve3-sh: /etc/cron.daily/dlocate: No such file or directory
01:30.37nvzDeaf: the same way you can tast the top of a glass of milk and the top of a glass of kool-aid and know the difference
01:30.43MrPdondelelcaro: Ahh, search. Thanks!
01:30.44zabahamat, yeah, thats why I 'heh'd :)
01:31.05nvzDeaf: you taste the sugar and the flavor, and you know its koolaid
01:31.19ktroutIs there anyone in here that was here - oh, I dunno. . .  2 hours ago?
01:31.21nvzDeaf: if kernel see's sugar, knows its probably not milk
01:31.33bahamatthey bought me a dell at work
01:31.45zabahamat, those bastards!
01:31.47za:)
01:31.48bahamatand thoughtfully got one with linux preinstalled.  unfortunately it's redhat
01:31.58Deaf001: mpeg, 3pg, wav, avi, "all video display" 002: txt, word, etc, "all text display"
01:32.00g4ltbahamat that's when you start updating your resume ;P
01:32.01Deafthing's like that
01:32.05dondelelcarobahamat: oh well... a few seconds will take care of that.
01:32.15nvzDeaf: it doesnt work like that
01:32.19Deafi understand it "taste" and it know what file it is..
01:32.24dondelelcaro!debtakeover
01:32.24dpkgDebian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin.
01:32.34bahamatit uses a bcm5700 nic and some type of hardware raid that I haven't figured out what kind it is yet
01:32.47dondelelcarobahamat: probably perc... dell is enamored with perc raid
01:32.51nvzDeaf: like I said it knows what file it is by whats in it.. each file type has a certain format it follows, and it can be identified
01:33.16Tezkahcpudyn seems to have quieted this bitch down
01:33.18DeafWhat if i want ONLY file.txt, which I DEMAND that...because it pretty ...
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01:33.42nvzDeaf: I dont know what you are getting at
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01:34.00bahamatdondelelcaro, I love you
01:34.02nvzDeaf: you can name files any way you like in linux, it plays no role at all on the contents of that file
01:34.11Deaf-sigh- no point, just try to understand how linux actual work inside the very depth
01:34.16nvzDeaf: imaginary concepts used in other os's are not hornored here
01:34.33nvzDeaf: get a book like Understanding The Linux Kernel
01:34.38bahamatdondelelcaro, btw, I finally got my iBook, but didn't install Linux on it
01:34.52CatamountWill the Debian install handle the NTFS file system without destroying anything during repartitioning?
01:34.52dondelelcarobahamat: nice... you will, eventually.
01:34.54ktroutWhat would be an example of an imaginary concept?
01:35.05Deafwell, i have this "Linux in a Nutshell" book
01:35.14dondelelcaroCatamount: if you resize it before hand, sure.
01:35.19nvzDeaf: if you want I can explain some things in a /msg because files are a important thing to undersatnd in linux
01:35.21Abel`hi, how can I close the 4672 rfa port ??
01:35.21bahamatdondelelcaro, actually, I'm quite liking OS X
01:35.38dondelelcarobahamat: yeah, I can't stand it... but then again, I use Debian all the time... too much gui, not enough CLI
01:35.45bahamatdondelelcaro, /and/ the debian installer (last I checked) didn't support the ATA controller
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01:35.55dondelelcarobahamat: the sarge d-i should...
01:36.06bahamatdondelelcaro, I bought Mac OS X Panther for UNIX Geeks and plowed through that
01:36.16Catamountdondelecaro:what could I use?
01:36.31dondelelcaroCatamount: parted is supposed to be able to do it... partition magic will as well.
01:36.34DeafI can randomly choose any "file.xyz" by typing some text in it.. and it will automatally open in different editor?
01:36.37bahamatdondelelcaro, I last used the d-i beta 3, but haven't tried beta 4 yet
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01:37.03dondelelcarobahamat: hrm... even with linux26?
01:37.05bahamatdondelelcaro, I need to get a firewire drive to back up my system before I can try it though...I somehow lost my OS X disks
01:37.05nvzDeaf: doubt it
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01:37.13nvzDeaf: though you arent making much sense
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01:37.21Catamountdondelecaro:thanks.  I will look
01:37.26Deafyeah well, i dont talk very much
01:37.34dondelelcarobahamat: ah... yeah, you can get a firewwire drive for about $180 if you put it in the case yourself...
01:37.34bahamatdondelelcaro, yea, I tried the hell out of that thing
01:37.43helix!room
01:37.43dpkgCHANNEL!
01:37.48Deafor communicate with somebody out of computer very much
01:38.01MrPHow can I add ntfs support? I have done it on Fedora, but I can't find a package on debian on sourceforge
01:38.03nvzDeaf: heh.
01:38.06bahamatdondelelcaro, well, I'm going to get a G5 iMac soon, so maybe I'll just try with that
01:38.06RandyI cant find what is leaking memory on my box, top shows nothing using such memory
01:38.07helixDeaf: are you actually deaf?
01:38.16dondelelcarobahamat: nice
01:38.19DeafI'm really deaf, which i dont understand the air language..
01:38.24MrPw000t! configure finished :D
01:38.25bahamatdondelelcaro, or at any rate I'll be able to backup my system onto that and try again
01:38.25dondelelcaro!free ram
01:38.25dpkgMost modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs.  If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'.
01:38.42dondelelcaroRandy: ^^^^
01:38.43DeafI can read lip and sign language...
01:38.53helixDeaf: and words too, I guess
01:38.53dondelelcarobahamat: nice
01:38.56Deafbrb, i'm helping my father
01:39.00Randydondelelcaro: ^^^^^ amazing.. help me ?
01:39.01DeafLOL
01:39.02Deafyeas
01:39.08MrP!tell MrP about ntfs
01:39.14bahamatgood God, using rh is begining to sicken me
01:39.16dondelelcaroRandy: why do you think you have a memory leak in a program?
01:39.40MrP!tell MrP about installing ntfs
01:39.42Devzwho knows configure proftpd ?
01:39.45MrPdarn
01:39.49bahamatdondelelcaro, actually, I find that when I'm not on a mac anymore I sorely miss having expose'
01:39.54MrPCan someone "tell" me how to enable NTFS support?
01:40.03nvzMrP: modprobe ntfs
01:40.04dondelelcaroMrP: use modconf; and load ntfs.
01:40.11bahamat!tell MrP about ntfs
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01:40.36pingouiinwhat is NTFS ?
01:40.41za!NTFS
01:40.42dpkgntfs is probably Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem.  linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information.  http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root.  See also http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/ntfs
01:40.50pingouiinouch
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01:41.26nvzpipeline: microsoft's New(No) Technology FileSystem
01:41.32MrPI know what NTFS is lol
01:41.49thomas_adamlol?
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01:42.06pingouiin!lol
01:42.06dpkgmethinks lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.
01:42.26pingouiin!kim bassinger
01:42.32pingouiin:/
01:42.36nvzheh
01:42.38MrPI just need help installing it on Debian
01:42.42thomas_adamThat shows your age, pingouiin.
01:42.51g4ltpingouiin pity you can't spell
01:42.56Impulse6how hard is it to reinstall kde?
01:42.59Abel`how can I close the port 4672 tcp ??
01:43.13Abel`i don't know what it is ..
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01:43.24bahamatok, now this is just *cool*...up2date is running...and suddenly I can't launch any programs
01:43.24thomas_adamAbel`: iptables -A INPUT ....
01:43.34zaAbel`, iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 4672 -j DROP ?
01:43.38MrPWoa.... Debian comes with NTFS support?
01:43.47Abel`ok, thanks
01:43.50zaAbel`, or stop that app thats running on it ?
01:43.52DeafI'm back
01:43.55DeafAhola
01:43.56bahamatthat's why redhat is my favorite
01:44.06Abel`za: yes, i don't know the service is
01:44.14zaAbel`, netstat -pant
01:44.14steve3how does updatedb work?
01:44.17bahamat5h!t
01:44.20bahamatI'm going home
01:44.53try_catch_this_what does linux use to manage agp ports? cause I have to use append="noagp" in lilo inorder to startx or my system hangs
01:45.08try_catch_this_I want to know what to upgrade to inorder to make agp work
01:45.24nvztry_catch_this_: the kernel
01:45.35steve3i can i update my locate command?
01:45.49nvztct: the kernel is what handles any and all hardware
01:45.50steve3yto find newly made files?
01:45.52tctits 2.4.26 kernel
01:46.03tctso I need a new kernel?
01:46.04toresbenvz: I believe that's "Nintendo Technology Foolish Shenanigans" :P
01:46.19pingouiinsteve3, updatedb
01:46.21zasteve3, just run 'updatedb'
01:46.28steve3how long should it take?
01:46.38nvztoresbe: I am afraid you have to actually examine the X logs and figure out why exactly it hangs before you jump to conclusions
01:46.40pingouiinsteve3, depends you hds
01:46.41zasteve3, depends how big your filesystem is
01:46.42nvztct: ^
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01:46.48steve3say 10gb
01:46.55toresbenvz: Yeah, that's a good idea. :P
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01:47.13zasteve3, not as long as a not very long piece of string :)
01:47.16tctIt has something to do with the agp
01:47.20nvztoresbe: better check into that
01:47.25pingouiinsteve3, time updatedb
01:47.27toresbenvz: I will :P
01:47.28nvztct: no shit?
01:47.28pingouiinand you'll tell us
01:47.34steve3okay
01:47.51nvztct: you still have to read the log
01:48.02nvztct: might not have anything to do with agp at all
01:48.17steve3i typed #time updatedb - and it does nothing
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01:48.40toresbesteve3: Well, it is doing SOMETHING...
01:48.46nvztct: I used to have problems with my IDE controller going offline when I loaded USB or Sound, had nothing to do with IDE, USB or Sound, but wouldnt know if you hadnt read the logs
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01:49.08Deafnvz: If linux understand and have a program for it, Can any game would work? if Linux create some kind of program that will understand game language...
01:49.13steve3i wish update db had a verbose mode so i could see stuff happeneing
01:49.43toresbesteve3: Why? It's a cron script, fcol...
01:49.45steve3should updatedb take like 10 seconds?
01:49.49Deafnvz: say, UT or BF42 in linux
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01:49.57steve3or like 10 minutes?
01:50.01tctok
01:50.06pingouiinjust do it steve3
01:50.10steve3i did
01:50.14steve3still wating
01:50.19pingouiingood
01:50.26pingouiinso wait the answer
01:50.31pingouiinthe time command
01:50.32steve3but like how long should it take?
01:50.39pingouiindepends
01:50.43nvzDeaf: newsflash already happened
01:50.44steve3like ballpark
01:50.54steve3like 1 second? 10 minutes? 3 hours?
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01:50.56nvzDeaf: called cedega from transgaming.com
01:51.00Deafnewsflash...
01:51.00pingouiinmaybe 5
01:51.04steve3m inutes?
01:51.04pingouiin5 hours
01:51.10steve35 hours?!?!
01:51.14pingouiinor 10 seconds
01:51.17pingouiindepends
01:51.24dondelelcarosteve3: it depends on how fast your disk is.
01:51.24steve3i have 10gb on my hdd
01:51.33steve37200rpm ata 100
01:51.35pingouiinthink about what the command updatedb do steve3
01:51.43pingouiinor to kill the time : man updatedb
01:51.46steve3what does it do
01:51.54dondelelcarosteve3: probably in the 20-30 minute range, unless you've got loads of stuff in the updatedb paths...
01:52.02steve3thank you
01:52.09yhgIt usually takes 5-10 for me.
01:52.09tctinsmod: /lib/modules/2.4.26/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.o: init_module: No such device
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01:52.14tctthis is the main thing
01:52.17Deafdamn, linux seem amazing..Now I understand what's linux all about..
01:52.19Abel`can I install a package of unstable in sarge?
01:52.22tctwhat be this apm
01:52.36yhgupdatedb basically looks through your entire hard drive and makes a list of everything and where it's located, so it can take a while.
01:52.56Eyaw_Nayris sid having proken package problems right now?  I cant apt anything.
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01:53.12pingouiin!bts
01:53.12dpkgi guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
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01:53.24yhgIt's a tradeoff, though, because after running updatedb you can just 'locate file' and it will find file more or less instantly.
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01:54.08sam_how do I record bin/cue dvd image to disc ? what app/package?
01:54.21sam_dvdrecord made me a nice coaster..
01:55.03zasam_, good question.
01:55.16sam_za: indeed.
01:55.21zasam_, can't you turn it into an iso with bchunk or something ? :/
01:55.27nvztct: apm is Advanced Power Management, and its not your problem either
01:55.28sam_I did that, coaster.
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01:55.36zasam_, ah.
01:55.42sam_I dunno, its a playstation disc so its not 'correct'
01:55.50sam_the binchunker corrected it I think
01:55.50sam_lol
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01:56.01sam_so I have to burn it nativly.
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01:56.09nvztct: alot of people get APM warnings in their X log, just means you dont have APM enabled in kernel, and in newer systems ACPI often replaces APM and this is normal
01:56.11zasam_, got ya
01:56.26sam_za: cdrdao said it was too big.. teehee
01:56.44zasam_, doesn't cdrecord-prodvd do em ?
01:56.59sam_what mirror is that on?
01:57.00sam_lol
01:57.05sam_contrib? nonfree?
01:57.35zaIt's nonfree as all hell, needs a 'free license file' to work properly etc
01:57.47sam_I've got unstable non-free ..
01:57.49sam_hmm
01:57.52sam_not on kernel.org I guess
01:57.53sam_lol
01:58.57zasam_, google knows
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01:59.11Tezkah/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/include/asm/irq.h:16:25: irq_vectors.h: No such file or directory  <--- where can I get this file?
01:59.16sam_za: uh ok
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01:59.49zaTezkah, what are you trying to compile ?
01:59.58tctagpgart: Unsupported Intel chipset (device id: 2578), you might want to try agp_try_unsupported=1.
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02:00.32luh|usahi
02:01.11luh|usai´m logged into the college, but i can´t talk, can somebody tell me how i can do that?
02:01.14Eyaw_NayrLike I said earlier, I am having some apt problems on sid.  I have checked the BTS and the two packages that seem to be causing problems( kdelibs-bin perl-base) have no bugs for the last two weeks
02:01.29sam_Za: googled for cdrdao-prodvd
02:01.30Eyaw_Nayrwhat should i do?
02:01.30sam_nothing
02:01.31sam_LOL
02:01.38zasam_, cdrecord-prodvd
02:01.51Tezkahza, my prism wlan card
02:01.53za<- gone
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02:02.14ruckerzim having trouble with nvidia-kernel driver... nvidia: version magic '2.6.8 SMP preempt PENTIUMIII gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.8-1-686 preempt 686 gcc-3.3'
02:02.34Eyaw_Nayrruckerz, #nvidia
02:02.55Eyaw_Nayrthey are experts on that bloody driver
02:03.05luh|usahas somebody an idea? please!
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02:03.24nvzboy, I'll tell you whut
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02:03.44peterSwhut, nvz?
02:03.50g4lt!any ideas
02:03.50dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a sack of herring, a little thermal paste, and a dozen rabid weasels.  And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes!
02:03.52tctkmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter
02:03.55nvzpeterS: damnin I just told you
02:03.58Virusmasterdoes someone know a alternative for iptraf? (iptraf cannot visualize all my interfaces(about 45))
02:04.15nvzpeterS: thats a complete sentance in Texas
02:04.22peterSnvz: oh, true
02:04.24amphiVirusmaster: bwm ?
02:04.37luh|usa?@dpkg
02:04.57Virusmasterbwm? mmmh
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02:05.10Eyaw_Nayrso do you guys reccomend I submit a broken package bug, or is it somthing on my side that is causing the problem
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02:05.30Virusmasteramphi: thanks, i'll give it a shot
02:05.45Led_Zepp1lin4what ip address are reserverd for private use? 192.168.0.x and what else?
02:05.51Led_Zepp1lin4and 192.168.1.x is too
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02:06.07peterSLed_Zepp1lin4: anything in 192.168.*
02:06.11peterSLed_Zepp1lin4: and 10.*
02:06.11ruckerzis there GLX support in the XFree86 nv driver?
02:06.19Tezkahargh, cant... make... wifi... work :(
02:06.24Led_Zepp1lin4peterS: okay...thanks!
02:06.33peterSLed_Zepp1lin4: and 172.16.* through 172.31.*, or something like that
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02:07.33Led_Zepp1lin4peterS: 10.0.0.1 is valid eh?
02:07.40RandyI dont understand why RAM usage just slowly goes up .. why ?
02:07.41peterSLed_Zepp1lin4: yes
02:07.47Led_Zepp1lin4peterS: yea, i thought there was another funky one like that
02:07.50Led_Zepp1lin4peterS: good call.
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02:07.54RandyIm not running anything.. no daemons
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02:08.09amphiRandy: disk cache?
02:08.13ApEtcpeterS: You got the 3rd set correct.
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02:08.20peterSApEtc: cool
02:08.23Deafnvz: IF that's all true. why name it " file.name " just instead of putting "file" with out in the end of ".blah"
02:08.23Randyamphi: disk cache?
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02:08.39Deafjust a thought
02:08.41amphiRandy: what do free or top show as using the memory?
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02:08.57nvzDeaf: you very well could..
02:09.01Randy46336 KB but it keeps slowly going up
02:09.10Randyit used to say 45960
02:09.17Randyand it slowllly just keeps going up
02:09.24dondelelcaroRandy: ram useage will always go up. Free Ram is wasted ram.
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02:09.32nvzDeaf: I can help explain some things about linux and filesystems if you want to /msg me
02:09.33dondelelcaro!free memory
02:09.33dpkgUnlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free.  Free RAM is wasted RAM!  Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it.
02:09.34Virusmasteramphi: mmh, bwm only monitors the first 15 interfaces... i have 45 =)))
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02:09.47Deafyeah i would like to do that
02:09.47Virusmasteramphi: seems that i have to write a proc-reader-shellscript ;P
02:10.00Impulse6can an unstable package be installed on a stable install?
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02:10.11dondelelcaroImpulse6: if you backport it, yes.
02:10.11Deafeh..
02:10.13TezkahI have my drivers installed, how come wlan0 doesn't work? :(
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02:10.37Impulse6how do i do that?
02:10.51amphiVirusmaster: o, well :)
02:11.09Virusmasteramphi: this machine is a nightmare
02:11.17Randysorry I didn't notice that !free memory thing
02:11.30Randyso if someone has 2 gigs of ram it will just sit there using more and more of it ?
02:11.31Virusmasteramphi: 1 physical interface... 44 vlan interfaces *puke*
02:11.35dondelelcaroRandy: exactly.
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02:11.45Randydondelelcaro: wtf?
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02:11.53Randydondelelcaro: show me yours
02:11.58Randyyour ratio
02:11.58dondelelcaroRandy: if you need more memory for something specific, the kernel will allocate from the pool of buffers and cached memory.
02:11.59helixoooh
02:12.25dondelelcaroRandy: out of 1G of ram I have 18M free.
02:12.32Tezkahcan anyone point me to something that will activate the wlan0?
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02:12.57amphiVirusmaster: sounds vile
02:13.14dondelelcaroRandy: the other box with 1G has 18M free as well.
02:13.30zaMine has 19M free !
02:13.49Randydondelelcaro: help me get internet documentation to prove this so someone else I know doesn't start blaming for gross administration
02:13.50zaWhat a waste of 19M !
02:14.12Randydondelelcaro: where do I get some sort of documentation that states the same thing
02:14.14dondelelcaroRandy: there isn't any documentation of it, unless you read the vm code in the kernel.
02:14.31dondelelcaroRandy: I'm telling you that's how it is. Think about it. What the hell is unused memory going to be usefull for?
02:15.04SandmanOn _every_ server that I try, I get this: 20:41 [dataphone] -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server irc.dataphone.se port
02:15.05dondelelcaroRandy: memory should be used as a buffer and cache of what is in the filesystem to speed up file access if at all possible.
02:15.07Sandman<PROTECTED>
02:15.14SandmanI've tried ~40 servers so far
02:15.26dondelelcaroSandman: your nameservers suck
02:15.32amphiRandy: I have 8MB free here, of 512 :)
02:15.36Sandmandondelelcaro: Apparently so.
02:15.44Sandmandondelelcaro: How to fix? Make my system into a nameserver?
02:15.44zaamphi, 8M wasted ! ;(
02:16.05dondelelcaroSandman: try finding a better upstream nameserver... irc.dataphone.se should resolve to 212.37.4.98
02:16.15amphiza: aye :(
02:16.23dondelelcaroSandman: if you absolutely have to, you can install bind... but it's often not as fast as a good nameserver...
02:16.36Sandmandondelelcaro: Is there a command to find what package owns file "host", if I don't have the file currently on my system?
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02:17.01Sandmandondelelcaro: I have RR =/
02:17.12dondelelcaroSandman: it's /etc/hosts... and it's like basefiles-conf that owns it... but /etc/resolv.conf is the file you want to modify...
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02:17.38dondelelcaros/files-conf/-files/
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02:17.48Sandmandondelelcaro: I know, but I mean the command "host", so that I can get the IP of a DNS
02:17.52steve3ack i get this error! ./sshblaster2: relocation error: /usr/lib/libssh.so: undefined symbol: RAND_seed
02:17.56Sandmandondelelcaro: You know, run "host google.com" and get its IP
02:18.01Sandmandondelelcaro: Or visa versa
02:18.02zaSandman, /usr/bin/host is from 'host'
02:18.02g4ltOMG regex! ;P
02:18.07dondelelcaroSandman: oh. that's in host
02:18.10Led_Zepp1lin4okay, I have a Intel Pro Ethernet card (10/100) , and when I enable it with my other 2 nics (3com/ISA, 3com PCI), I get a kernel panic saying I don't have enough memory. Am I using the right module for this NIC?
02:18.12dondelelcaro!tell Sandman about search
02:18.14zaSandman, apt-cache search host
02:18.32steve3./sshblaster2: relocation error: /usr/lib/libssh.so: undefined symbol: RAND_seed
02:18.39SandmanI get so many results from that, tho..
02:18.40steve3wtf is that
02:18.52tcthttp://www.rafb.net/paste/results/hrKoI716.html
02:18.54dondelelcarosteve3: that means that you didn't build sshblaster (whatever the hell that is) against the right version of libssh
02:18.58g4ltLed_Zepp1lin4 it'd help if you said which module you were using...
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02:19.04zasshblaster2 sounds scary.
02:19.17Virusmasterstinks like exploit
02:19.18tctthis is a log of how the system booted when I didnot supply the noagp option
02:19.31SandmanDoes BIND work out of the box?
02:19.42dondelelcaroSandman: it should...
02:19.44Led_Zepp1lin4g4lt: eepro100
02:19.52dondelelcaroSandman: but I'd seriously try to find a better dns server...
02:19.56Sandmandondelelcaro: Should I tell resolv.conf to point to 127.0.0.1?
02:19.57Led_Zepp1lin4g4lt: i hope there are other alternatives to it... :-)
02:19.59g4ltLed_Zepp1lin4 then no, you're using the right module
02:20.02zaVirusmaster, it is
02:20.19Virusmasterza: ahh =) knew it ;P
02:20.20Sandmandondelelcaro: Not really sure where to look.. but I could at least append 127.0.0.1 into resolv.conf, no?
02:20.29Sandmandondelelcaro: Or do I even need to bother with that? Will it work automagically?
02:20.46dondelelcaroSandman: yes... you'll have to do that. But I'd first suggest using dns{1,2,3,4}.rr.com
02:20.51zalooks like some stupid ssh root password guessing thing
02:21.06AngelGabrielI fired up a live CD called Damn small linux, which was based on knoppix, and it used a window manager called fluxbox. It also had a kind of monitor thingy, which showed the time, how much swap space had been used, memory usage, CPU usuage, network traffic usage, etc etc - Does anyone know what the monitor was called?
02:21.07dondelelcarohow fucking pointless.
02:21.12Led_Zepp1lin4g4lt: okay, once I insert the module it gives me this message in dmesg "eexpress.c module autoprobe not recommended. give io=xx"
02:21.15Sandmandondelelcaro: Doesn't dhclient automatically setup resolv.conf?
02:21.21dondelelcaroSandman: yes.
02:21.21za!kick steve3
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02:21.31Led_Zepp1lin4eexpress.c: failed to register card at 0x0x
02:21.46Virusmasterza: why did you wait so long? :))
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02:21.52SirFire[awy]what would cause my video to be inverted using xfree86 with the tseng driver? i have a et4000 onboard chipset... using VESA causes weird artifacts on the screen, like the clock randomly placing the time anywhere on the screen, scrambled apps, etc etc
02:21.54Led_Zepp1lin4but ifconfig eth2 shows up fine though. I am a little scared to assign an ip address to it, because I get a kernel fail.
02:22.02gnu_hey guys, real quick - what is the command to link 2 directories together?
02:22.06dondelelcaroLed_Zepp1lin4: you probably want eepro, not eexpress.c
02:22.06Sandmandondelelcaro: But if I append 127.0.0.1 to resolv.conf, won't it get overwritten when dhclient updates again?
02:22.07CovenerAngelGabriel: gkrellm probably
02:22.17Virusmastergnu_: link together? :)
02:22.25gnu_no its like ln or something
02:22.25dondelelcaroSandman: yes. You'll have to use resolvconf
02:22.27gnu_dont remember tho
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02:22.33AngelGabrielCovener: Thanks, i'll try look that up
02:22.36Virusmastergnu: ln -s <src> <dst>
02:22.42dondelelcaroSandman: that makes it so that dhclient appends to /etc/resolv.conf without rewriting it
02:22.43gnu_awesome - thanks!
02:22.49Virusmastergnu_: np =)
02:22.50g4ltLed_Zepp1lin4 didn't I just tell you that you were using the right module?
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02:23.00zaVirusmaster, I'm on the phone, slow typing :)
02:23.22Led_Zepp1lin4g4lt: okay..lemme assign the address to it then...
02:23.38Led_Zepp1lin4g4lt: i guess I will be back in 5 mins :-) the kernel will crash on me :/
02:23.40g4ltLed_Zepp1lin4 NO, USE EEPRO100
02:23.46Eric26How offen Sarge cd's ISO are created and when Sarge is going to be the official release of Debian?
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02:23.50theturtleif i install a package, How does debian handle already existing conf files?
02:24.12SirFire[awy]ewe
02:24.30Led_Zepp1lin4g4lt:i am give me a sec
02:24.55g4ltyou shouldn't have to give eepro100 an address
02:24.55dondelelcarotheturtle: it won't overwrite them, and will prompt you about them.
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02:25.11dondelelcarotheturtle: if the package doesn't, and it really is a config file (ie, in /etc) it's a serious bug.
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02:25.19Led_Zepp1lin4g4lt: an ip address I am talimg about
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02:25.26Led_Zepp1lin4g4lt: not an PCI address
02:25.38theturtlek
02:25.39Led_Zepp1lin4g4lt: here goes nothing...
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02:26.11theturtlei kinda like the way gentoo, just makes .cfg file , i'll have to see what happens with debian here
02:26.29SirFirewhat would cause my video to be inverted using xfree86 with the tseng driver? i have a et4000 onboard chipset... using VESA causes weird artifacts on the screen, like the clock randomly placing the time anywhere on the screen, scrambled apps, etc etc
02:26.33theturtledondelelcaro any idea where i might find some info on that?
02:26.48dondelelcarotheturtle: there are configuration files included with the packages, and the packages will ask you questions. However, config information is sancrosant, and will not be overwritten without asking the admin.
02:26.55dondelelcarotheturtle: it's all documented in policy.
02:26.57dondelelcaro!policy
02:26.57dpkgsomebody said policy was available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/, the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices
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02:27.30Eric26How offen Sarge cd's ISO are created and when Sarge is going to be the official release of Debian?
02:27.37Sandmandondelelcaro: Something strange while installing that package..
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02:27.52dondelelcaroEric26: the jigdo templates are automatically generated, afaik. However, you don't need to get them.
02:27.59dondelelcaroEric26: sarge will be released when it is ready.
02:28.02Sandmandondelelcaro: says I need dns-nameservers lines @ /etc/network/interfaces, when yet man "interfaces" yields no mention of such lines. I have no idea on the syntax
02:28.19dondelelcaroSandman: yeah, it's a new addition. For dhcp, you won't need them.
02:28.24zafprintf(fp,"tring ssh ... heh
02:28.55inaddy?
02:29.07Sandmandondelelcaro: Okay. But I want 127.0.0.1 to always be there. It said if I want it to always check 127.0.0.1 at hte very least, I should put a dns-nameservers line in there
02:29.19Sandmandondelelcaro: Just stick "dns-nameservers 127.0.0.1" @ interfaces file?
02:29.42AngelGabrielCovener: Thanks man! it was gkrellm
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02:30.06dondelelcaroSandman: yeah, that should do it...
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02:30.52aa4After installing Debian, how can I get Debian to create a default /etc/X11/XF86Config?
02:31.03Sandmandondelelcaro: How to determine what nameservers my networking is using @ this very moment, other than just peeking @ resolv.conf? I ask because the line you said is in interfaces, I /etc/init.d/networking restarted, and cat /etc/resolv.conf   however 127.0.0.1 isn't there
02:31.08dondelelcaroaa4: just install xserver-xfree86; /msg dpkg set up x;
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02:31.25dondelelcaroSandman: that's /etc/resolv.conf
02:31.31AngelGabrielHow do issue a command in the shell, and then have that command run in the background?
02:31.37za"root","xxx" damn! better change my root password.
02:31.39dondelelcaroAngelGabriel: foo &
02:31.47g4lthere's irony: a LSB article on msnbc ;P
02:31.54Sandmandondelelcaro: So then my networking is not using 127.0.0.1?
02:32.00dondelelcaroSandman: nope.
02:32.10AngelGabrieldondelelcaro: That's what I thought, but i didn't get my prompt back till i closed the app i executed
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02:32.18Sandmandondelelcaro: How to get networking to use 127.0.0.1 as nameserver then?
02:32.30Sandmandondelelcaro: Thought you said just append the dns-nameserver line to interfaces file..
02:32.33dondelelcaroAngelGabriel: some commands won't close the controlling tty. In those cases, you'll have to use nohup
02:32.58Eric26If i start Download Sarge CD's ISO now, and a new release is generated, will the old files disponible in the net?
02:33.08mclambi have a tar.gz, how do i compile it?
02:33.13AngelGabrieldondelelcaro: Oh, I see, so I type foo nohup?
02:33.28dondelelcaroAngelGabriel: no, nohup foo;
02:33.34dondelelcaroAngelGabriel: or nohup foo &
02:33.43Sandmandondelelcaro: Should I just give up?
02:33.49AngelGabrieldondelelcaro: Thanks
02:34.18dubsandman, echo 'nameserver 127.0.0.1' >> /etc/resolv.conf
02:34.26mclambplease?
02:35.05Sandmandub: That just gets overwritten by resolvconf
02:35.06KrOnOsi installed samba on my Debian (Sarge).. i see  the server in the workgroup, when i click on it it asks for a user/pass..i enter 1 from the server but it doesnt work..
02:35.08AngelGabrieldondelelcaro: Still no joy. My shell won't carry on
02:35.14Sandmandondelelcaro: I appended nameserver 127.0.0.1 to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
02:35.17Sandmandondelelcaro: I think that'll work
02:35.39Sandmandondelelcaro: It does. =)
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02:35.51dondelelcaroAngelGabriel: what command is this that you're trying to run?
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02:36.22Sandmandondelelcaro: So resolvconf has a warning appended to the top of resolv.conf.. before resolvconf was installed, resolv.conf was _still_ cleared all the time, correct? That means, without resolvconf whatever I put in that file would have been very temporary
02:36.50dondelelcaroSandman: if you're using dhcp3-client, yes.
02:36.50Sandmandondelelcaro: I'll try to ask yes or no questions so as to not waste your time.
02:36.55dondelelcaroSandman: otherwise, no.
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02:36.57AngelGabrieldondelelcaro: gkrellm
02:37.03mclambhow do i compile something??
02:37.12Sandmandondelelcaro: How does the nameserver information update with pre-dhcp3-clients?
02:37.13diegoI want chat in Spanish, please I need the server in spanish, thanks
02:37.21Sandmandondelelcaro: If not by rewriting resolv.conf
02:37.30nvz<PROTECTED>
02:37.32theturtlemclamb, wget , tar , configure , make make install
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02:37.38nvz!spanish
02:37.38dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there.
02:37.40mclambthanks
02:37.43dondelelcaroSandman: it should be overwritten in them as well... but I can't remember all of them. See /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz
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02:38.00diego#debian-es
02:38.04dondelelcaroAngelGabriel: hrm... newer versions of gkrellm just work fine with gkrellm &;
02:38.10nvzdiego: /j #debian-es
02:38.18user0hey im backing up file info onto a new hard drive as root, and then im going to want to wipe my old hard drive and setup debian on it...do i have to make sure to do anything with permissions so that im not locked out of the hard drive when i install the new system?
02:38.49SandmanI love Debian.
02:38.54SandmanReally. If it were a woman I'd marry it.
02:39.15wpostmaMove to canada. You can marry it, even if you're a man.
02:39.15tct-.-
02:39.17theturtlehave an affair with gentoo maybe?
02:39.20Sandmanwpostma: awesome!
02:39.32user0cause when i try to put read/write permissions it says "changing the attributes of files is not supported with protocol devices"
02:39.44AngelGabrielSandman: Dont forget women change after they get married
02:39.49wpostmaIn fact, yesterday a man married a carton of oreos, and a basket of pomegranates.
02:39.53neetocindebian is wierd: its faster on my system than custom compiled gentoo
02:40.00dondelelcarouser0: uh, you're new harddrive is ext2 or something, right?
02:40.06nvzneetocin: nope, its just you
02:40.06dondelelcaros/you're/your/
02:40.07Sandmantheturtle: I did a while ago.. it ruined my marriage with Knoppix.. but I don't want them anymore! I just want you Debian Woody 3.0r2, I swear! I don't need the others! </soap opera>
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02:40.16user0dondel: i made it xfs :)
02:40.18neetocinbut debian is faster
02:40.23dondelelcarouser0: should work too...
02:40.23nvzneetocin: weird for wasting all your time compiling when you could be having fun
02:40.32neetocinin gentoo i played a dvd and it was skipping
02:40.37neetocinin debian it was flawless
02:40.41SandmanI've actually found Debian bins to run faster than Gentoo bins
02:40.49SandmanI've even run "time" on them.
02:40.52Sandman_before prelink_
02:40.54dondelelcaroneetocin: it's not terribly surprising. Unless you know exactly what compilier options to use, you'll just make it slower.
02:41.05SandmanAnd somehow Debian bins run faster than the super-optimized Gentoo bins.
02:41.18user0dondel:  so ur sayin its not suppose to give me that message?
02:41.21neetocindoes debian have a default CFLAGS for all precompiled packages?
02:41.24dondelelcaro!ur
02:41.24dpkgUr is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC.  If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old
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02:41.39Sandmanneetocin: What dondelelcaro said. And secondly, to figure out what those options are.. well, I hope you don't have a girlfriend, a life, a job, or a college career, cuz that's about how much time it'll take.
02:41.40dondelelcaroneetocin: the standard is -O2 -g -Wall; but different packages change it.
02:42.00user0dondel:  as long as im not locked out of this drive when i try to access it after a complete reinstall
02:42.02Sandmanneetocin: Cuz thsoe options are figured by those who actually know the software. =) You don't know it as well as the maintainers upstream.
02:42.06theturtlei like gentoo just cause of it's slick ports system, apt is awesome too, but i just like the more control it gives you over install
02:42.22Sandmantheturtle: Yeah, I used to run Gentoo.
02:42.31War2If 'exim4 -bP authenticators' lists LOGIN as one of the valid authenticators available, does this mean exim4 was compiled to support AUTH LOGIN, right? This is the exim4 available for the 'testing' distribution.
02:42.36neetocini would run acovea but i'm only have a celeron 600
02:42.40dondelelcaro*shrug*. apt pretty much has as fine level of control as you can get... if you know better, you can always use equivs or recompile.
02:42.45theturtlei run both sandman :)
02:42.50Zap-Womg 12.'43,21 BOOM
02:43.06Sandmantheturtle: Me too. Except I only run Gentoo in a chroot; I believe it would be stupid to run in @ / on a server.
02:43.16War2Because it does not seem to be obeying hosts_require_auth and not recognizing AUTH LOGIN announcements from the target server. :|
02:43.18theturtlecall me stupid then
02:43.20theturtlehehe
02:43.24dondelelcaroWar2: there are a few seaprate exim4 packages in testing... which one are you running?
02:43.25theturtlewhy would ya say that?
02:43.37theturtleeasier to screw up?
02:43.46Sandmantheturtle: Mostly I use Gentoo as a toy for trying out new software. If I seriously want something on my system that isn't @ APT, I download the sources and hand-compile them.
02:43.52War2dondelelcaro: I downloaded it from packages.debian.org ... only one came up while searching for exim4 in testing.
02:44.03dondelelcaro!info exim4-daemon-heavy
02:44.05dpkgexim4-daemon-heavy: (Exim (v4) with extended features, including exiscan-acl), section mail, is optional. Version: 4.34-6 (sid), Packaged size: 405 kB, Installed size: 896 kB
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02:44.08dondelelcaronext!
02:44.12dondelelcaro!info exim4-daemon-heavy sarge
02:44.13War2dondelelcaro: also downloaded the daemon-heavy.
02:44.13QuaD-_can someone help me with my routing tables and iproute2? i have been struggling for 2 days
02:44.15dpkgexim4-daemon-heavy: (Exim (v4) with extended features, including exiscan-acl), section mail, is optional. Version: 4.34-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 405 kB, Installed size: 896 kB
02:44.19War2dondelelcaro: I am using it.
02:44.33dondelelcaroWar2: cool. It should have support for AUTH LOGIN... but I'm not an exim expert...
02:44.49theturtleok, but why would it be stupid to run as the main os?
02:44.50Sandmantheturtle: No, less secure, slower to update in case of security updates, slower, slow user interface, unstable software, broken ebuilds, broken world updater, broken developer community, distatestful Gentoo fanatics who think they know what they're talking about and don't
02:45.01dondelelcaroWar2: you should be able to see the compile options in /usr/share/doc/exim4/
02:45.26War2dondelelcaro: I downloaded the binary package, not the source. I was just wondering if I need to download source and compile it myself now.
02:45.34neetocinis there any reason why mplayer isn't included in debian?
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02:45.43dondelelcaroWar2: /usr/share/doc/exim4/ is in the binary package.
02:45.44War2dondelelcaro: the machine itself is not on a very fast link, and there are a lot of dependencies for this source package.
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02:46.05War2dondelelcaro: yes, but will /usr/share/doc/exim4 document the compile options that were used to compile _this_ one?
02:46.06Sandmantheturtle: Gentoo is also slower. Did I mention the ebuilds are broken? Also, I think it's overall better to handroll it, anyway. HOnestly though, some in the Gentoo community are okay. But I find Debian just a more effective tool by a longshot. If there's something I want that's no @ APT, I download the sources (and if I'm in a hurry) use epkg to install them to /usr/local
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02:46.15dondelelcaroWar2: it should...
02:46.23War2dondelelcaro: ok. I'll take a look. Thanks.
02:46.36aida-nightwhat are the groups of Ips available for lans?? 10.x.x.x, 192.168.x.x ?? anything else?
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02:46.42sedatfor games sources.list deb........
02:46.45War2dondelelcaro: I have googled for this exhaustively, also in newsgroups, and also asked in #exim / freenode. :|
02:46.54dondelelcaroWar2: $(MAKE) -C build-$(buildname) checklocalmake Makefile os.h os.c config.h buildpcre buildlookups buildrouters buildtransports buildauths exim
02:46.56Sandmantheturtle: Gentoo Stable is _somewhat_ comparable to Debian testing/unstable, except that Gentoo stable is lesser so.
02:47.01AngelGabrielis rdesktop avavlible via apt?
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02:47.13dondelelcaro!rdesktop
02:47.13dpkgrumour has it, rdesktop is http://www.rdesktop.org/
02:47.14aida-nightAngelGabriel, yes
02:47.20theturtlehehe
02:47.21Sandmantheturtle: Now say "thank you sir, may I have another?"
02:47.24aida-nightAngelGabriel, try tsclient
02:47.25neetocinSandman: it is slower especiall when my low end machine does emerge -pv world
02:47.32dondelelcaroWar2: so, it should have that AUTH built... now, I don't know if you have to do something special to load it in the exim4 config...
02:47.36neetocini mean -pDuv world
02:47.38AngelGabrielaida-night: tsclient ?
02:47.40sedatfor games .deb in the sources.list
02:47.55Sandmanneetocin: Oh god.. It's better to just try up Lfs than run Gentoo IMHO. I'll admit, Gentoo is extremely fast to maintain
02:47.56aida-nightAngelGabriel, very nice front end for rdesktop, allows you to select resolution color depth
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02:48.12Sandmanneetocin: Gentoo moves _fast_, it has little QA to supply it; lots of power in the hands of the maintainers
02:48.14aida-nightaida-night, and redesktop is a dependancy so it gets downloaded by apt
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02:48.17War2dondelelcaro: it mentions some changes in the config file for AUTH over unencrypted link -- I made all the changes and updated the configs.
02:48.21Initial_Khi
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02:48.36War2dondelelcaro: 250-AUTH GSSAPI NTLM LOGIN  ... followed by 250-AUTH=LOGIN  is what exim4 is not able to recognize.
02:48.46AngelGabrieldoesn't seem to be in my apt-get cache - and i just updated it
02:48.51War2dondelelcaro: (in case you are able to recognize this situation)
02:48.55Initial_KIs installation cd1 bootable ??
02:49.01neetocindoes anyone know why mplayer is included in redhat and gentoo but not debian?
02:49.03Sandmanneetocin: So I'll give Gentoo that. I think Gentoo would be much greater if all upstreams followed standards, and did most of that which Debian does already. But if that happened, Debian would be even more effective, and just as fast since it would fit in like a glove then (I'm talking about the upstreams here)
02:49.04AngelGabriellast comment @ aida-night
02:49.17Sandmanneetocin: You see, Debian has a legal team.
02:49.19aida-nightAngelGabriel, do you have non-free and contrib sources?
02:49.30AngelGabrielaida-night: Yes, i believe i do
02:49.54aida-nightAngelGabriel, then the abscence of tsclient baffles me :/
02:49.57dondelelcaroWar2: when you EHLO hostname; it should  respond with 250-AUTH=LOGIN
02:50.05Sandmanneetocin: Here's the problem with Gentoo; let's say one day the IP mplayer stole is on a server someplace where you installed it, and the business you helped install it for gets in deep for it. What do you do, then?
02:50.11War2dondelelcaro: yes, it uses EHLO hostname
02:50.30War2dondelelcaro: it responded with 250-AUTH=LOGIN. But exim4 didn't recognize it and proceeded with MAIL FROM:
02:50.34neetocinSandman: mplayer sends IP?
02:50.46War2dondelelcaro: I have also put  hosts_require_auth = *   in the configuration, so exim4 should not proceed with auth, right?
02:50.49dondelelcaroWar2: no,  250-AUTH=LOGIN is a response from the server.
02:50.55War2dondelelcaro: yes.
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02:51.03War2dondelelcaro: but my exim4 client should be able to recognize it.
02:51.03aida-nightintellectual property theft
02:51.08nvzneetocin: debian policy prohibits it
02:51.24neetocinnvz: because it phones home?
02:51.26nvzneetocin: if you want mplayer you have to add an unofficial source to be able to apt-get it
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02:51.27Sandmanneetocin: Intellectual Property
02:51.28Deafdoes anybody know how to make the background clear on this xchat?
02:51.38neetocinSandman: oh
02:51.42nvzneetocin: phones home? wtf are you talking about
02:51.43theturtlewell thats not relative
02:51.44DiNeSat4somebody help me, Debian show this: http://usuarios.lycos.es/dinesat4/linux/001.jpg
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02:51.56theturtlei mean u can install that on any linux system
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02:52.05AngelGabrielaida-night: i'm confused myself - at the missing apps
02:52.12aida-nightDiNeSat4, is that an Atari 2600?
02:52.16nvzneetocin: its not free, debian policy states that no package which contains or depends on non-free may be in the entered into the archive
02:52.17theturtlebut good to know if your in that business
02:52.19DiNeSat4lol
02:52.28theturtlei would use a system that had some policy against things like that
02:52.30dondelelcaroWar2: hrm.. dunno. cafuego or caphuso might have an idea when they're around
02:52.33DiNeSat4I'm using a Gforce fx5200
02:52.41theturtlei mean that's not relative to me
02:52.46theturtleanyway
02:52.47dondelelcaroDiNeSat4: type reset;
02:52.49DiNeSat4i installed the NVIDIA drivers, modified the XF86Config-4 file
02:52.59DiNeSat4reboot.. and paf.. Atari :'(
02:53.19DiNeSat4soluction?
02:53.20dondelelcaroDiNeSat4: if that doesn't work at the console, then you've found out first hand how buggy the nvidia drivers are.
02:53.24DiNeSat4kernel version updated
02:53.25aida-nightthat's a sad story indeed ... was X working without the Nvidia drivers?
02:53.26War2dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/paste/results/1lYrS589.html   // here is the summary of the log
02:53.28theturtledoes debian have xorg then?
02:53.36theturtleor are that xorg developers in the clear
02:53.39dondelelcaro!topicsmite theturtle
02:53.40dpkgAnd the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon theturtle.  And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken.  And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
02:53.42aida-nighttheturtle, not for another decade
02:53.52War2dondelelcaro: line 17 should be 'AUTH LOGIN' from my exim4 client.
02:53.53DiNeSat4i'm a nooby :$
02:54.08War2dondelelcaro: ok. I'll ask those when they're around. Thanks for your help.
02:54.19theturtlehehe
02:54.38theturtleaww cmon who reads the topic? :)
02:54.41aida-nightanyone knows when sarge is coming out?
02:54.48aida-nightplease send some wrath my way
02:55.01aida-nightcause seriously...
02:55.05aida-nightwho cares about sarge
02:55.07DiNeSat4help mee
02:55.08DiNeSat4:(
02:55.21aida-nightDiNeSat4, did you say it worked without the drivers?
02:55.28theturtlewoody owns sarge!
02:55.32DiNeSat4with the NVIDIA drivers
02:55.47DiNeSat4when i work with vesa, works
02:55.49DiNeSat4perfect
02:55.51aida-nightDiNeSat4, before you screwed up your box with official drivers.. did you have an X desktoP/
02:55.54DiNeSat4install nvidia, paff.. failed
02:55.59dondelelcaroWar2: see http://scrapped.mine.nu/node/view/15
02:55.59DiNeSat4yes
02:56.05DiNeSat4i have a xdesktop
02:56.14dondelelcaroaida-night: when it's ready.
02:56.16theturtleAre there any good books on debian? i mean not a linux book, a good on debian and it's configuration layout and such?
02:56.22dondelelcaro!quick reference
02:56.22dpkgi heard reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of you questions about Debian. latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents
02:56.24dondelelcarotheturtle: ^^^
02:56.26DiNeSat4or say: i haven't :(
02:56.31theturtlein printed form?
02:56.33aida-nightare you sure you didn't mess anything up with a typo?
02:56.42theturtlei don't care for reading online
02:56.44aida-nightDiNeSat4, because if X WAS working
02:56.53dondelelcarotheturtle: you can print it yourself... there are a few in production, but most of them aren't worth the paper they're written on.
02:56.55DiNeSat4X is working
02:56.57aida-nightall you had to do was to change "nv" to "nvidia" in your XFree86Config-4
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02:57.04DiNeSat4i press ctr+alt+supr... and work
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02:57.11dondelelcarodpkg: quick reference =~ s/you /your /
02:57.11dpkgthat doesn't contain 'you ', dondelelcaro
02:57.17DiNeSat4yes, i have these modification
02:57.18theturtlethats sad
02:57.25DiNeSat4i read the readme.txt (nvidia driver)
02:57.28aida-nightDiNeSat4, then your problem is fixed?
02:57.39War2dondelelcaro: yes, already read that earlier (I googled exhaustively) :)
02:57.40theturtlehow do you expect to get ppl to learn the os if you don't have any published books :/
02:57.40DiNeSat4delete the "Load rdi" and "Load GLcore"
02:57.47dondelelcarodpkg: reference =~ s/you /your /
02:57.47dpkgdondelelcaro: OK
02:57.54War2dondelelcaro: but I've covered all possibilities in that.
02:57.56g4lttheturtle RTFMing
02:58.08DiNeSat4:(
02:58.09War2dondelelcaro: anyways, I'll try and compile it today from source. Thanks.
02:58.11War2bbiab
02:58.19aida-nightDiNeSat4, dude... you are not answering my questions
02:58.20theturtlea real printed hard cover book is light years better than any e-book period g4lt
02:58.25DiNeSat4no, mi problem is not fixed
02:58.31dondelelcarotheturtle: actually, it's usually the other way around...
02:58.45g4lttheturtle update a dead tree book...
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02:58.56theturtlewell maybe for updated information true, but just the convenience and familiarity
02:59.02DiNeSat4okay i'm a newbie, what i have to do?
02:59.04dondelelcarotheturtle: at least when it comes to documentation on things that change all of the time... production time on most books is at least a month, and things in Debian change daily.
02:59.05aida-nightDiNeSat4, I wold recommend generating a new XF86Config-4
02:59.13DiNeSat4how?
02:59.25theturtlesure things change, but the base configuration and policy can't change that often
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02:59.38theturtlehow long debian been using apt?
02:59.41dondelelcarotheturtle: the base configuration changes all the time. Policy changes about weekly.
02:59.43theturtlethere a good book on apt?
02:59.46dondelelcarotheturtle: man apt;
02:59.51theturtlesee
02:59.57Tezkahman pages are horrible sometimes
03:00.08dondelelcaroTezkah: file patches to fix them when you find horrible manpages.
03:00.17dondelelcaros/patches/bugs with patches/
03:00.25TezkahI cant understand them though :P
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03:00.45dondelelcaroTezkah: so file a wishlist bug against the package with the manpage explaining exactly what didn't make sense.
03:00.45inaddysussa ?
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03:01.15Initial_Khow many cd do i need to install debian?? ONLY the first cd right for just a workable system
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03:01.30dondelelcaroInitial_K: you don't even need any cds.
03:01.36TezkahInitial_K, try the netinstall
03:01.37Initial_Ky?
03:01.41theturtlewell a man pages are fine, but they aren't mean to offer any information on how to use the program, just the definition of it
03:01.48_scphave a Debian newbie question: is it safe to keep a server in production with the default kernel installed by bf?
03:01.49Tezkah!tell Initial_K about d-i
03:01.57dondelelcarotheturtle: good manpages have information on how to use the program as well.
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03:02.02tcthow do I save my volume settings?
03:02.12tctwhen I reboot I have to change them again
03:02.15theturtlewell specific programs was not my example any way
03:02.16dondelelcarotct: they should be saved at shutdown...
03:02.33theturtlei meant debian base and it's utilities for the most part
03:02.37tctI used gnome-volume-control
03:02.47theturtleanyway, i'll be quiet :D
03:03.10dondelelcarotheturtle: eh? almost all of the Debian utilities have really good documentation... from the manpages, to the info files, to /usr/share/doc/<packagename>
03:03.24dondelelcarotheturtle: Debian typically has more custom documentation than any other distribution...
03:03.49dondelelcaro(if we don't, we usually borrow the good stuff from other distributions with attribution)
03:04.19theturtleyou have have a million pages of text, but if it's not all succintly laid out in short easy to read pages, it's not going to teach anyone anything, very easily anyway
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03:04.47dondelelcarotheturtle: most of it is, actually... if you know how to use apropos, man, info, and less, you're golden.
03:05.18Tezkahunless you try to set up a wlan card
03:05.21Tezkahthen you're SCREWED
03:05.27dondelelcaroTezkah: nah, wlan cards are easy.
03:05.41Tezkahdondelelcaro, want to ssh into my box and fix mine then? :)
03:05.50dondelelcaroTezkah: load the right driver. install wireless-tools; modify /etc/network/interfaces; you're finished.
03:05.56Tezkahah
03:06.02Initial_Kwhat's netinstall? Install over the network?
03:06.05dondelelcaro!netinst
03:06.06dpkgi heard netinst is a 32M bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for downloads and instructions. you can also use >=2 disks [1) rescue.bin 2) root.bin] check http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs, or http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/ or http://iso.linux.hr/debian/minicd/ or http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/
03:06.12Tezkahwhat should /etc/network/interfaces supposed to be looking like?
03:06.18dondelelcaroTezkah: man 5 interfaces;
03:07.27theturtledondelelcaro- ur missing the point, it's not th at there isn't alot of documentation, sure there is, and i'm sure for the most part , all of  it is pretty easily found...THe trouble is you need to know what your looking for, i could get grep, info etc for 10-15 minutes and try to find the utility i'm looking for , or goto TOC, initscripts, Debian init structure, and lookup the information i need from a book in about 5 seconds
03:07.49dondelelcarotheturtle: that's why you use apropos.
03:08.02Tezkahdondelelcaro, how would I get it to recognize wlan0 without restarting?
03:08.07dondelelcarotheturtle: you think of what you want to do, type apropos "thing I want to do"; and then blamo.
03:08.08Initial_Kif I just d/l debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso and install using only this cd, is it ok?
03:08.16dondelelcaroTezkah: do you see wlan0 if you iwconfig -a;
03:08.45Tezkahno, just lo, eth0, sit0
03:08.52FieldySnutsbadgerwang
03:08.58dondelelcaroTezkah: then you haven't loaded the right module for your wireless card.
03:09.05RelDrgnapropos is useful for finding a manpage on a simple term, but not good if you can't formulate your idea quickly
03:09.05Tezkahdebian:/home/ryan# iwconfig -a -a        No such device
03:09.09tctummm does dpkg learn things by monitoring this channel?
03:09.17TezkahI swear, I've installed it
03:09.18FieldySnuts~lart tct
03:09.19asgFieldySnuts: beware, the ice weasels cometh
03:09.20dondelelcarotct: /msg dpkg help
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03:09.24FieldySnutsasg: hehe
03:09.50dondelelcaroRelDrgn: there's not much that can help you if you can't formulate what you're looking for.
03:10.12dondelelcaroRelDrgn: at least, not until someone formulates RFC3019 -- Practical Mind Reading Over TCP/IP
03:10.12tctI did /msg dpkg help and I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?" so I had to ask if this is true
03:10.29asgtct: it is true
03:10.38dondelelcarotct: yes, it is true. You address the bot with a declarative statement.
03:10.43dondelelcarotct: the bot learns.
03:10.53FieldySnutsdondelelcaro: dpkg never responds to me, do you know why?
03:10.59dondelelcaroFieldySnuts: it doesn't like you... ;-)
03:11.02FieldySnuts;(
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03:11.06Initial_KAnyone?, if I just d/l debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso and install using only this cd, is it ok?
03:11.09FieldySnutsfix please, i've been nice these days
03:11.21asgFieldySnuts: dondelelcaro installed net nanny on it so you couldn't give it naughty factoids
03:11.27FieldySnutsHWHW
03:11.29FieldySnutser hehe
03:11.45RelDrgndondelelcaro: try apropos start X at boot, and you'll see what I mean.  Its a fairly succinct statement of what someone might want to do, but its unlikely that the answer is in any of the several hundred manpages it suggests
03:11.46asgInitial_K: yes, that should be sufficient
03:12.02asgInitial_K: you might try using the new installer (/msg dpkg d-i) since sarge will be stable pretty soon.
03:12.14RelDrgnInitial_K: the cds are arranged so that the most-used packages are on the first disc
03:12.26asgRelDrgn: that's why we have the #debian channel faq
03:12.37dondelelcaroRelDrgn: apropos isn't the be all, end all. But it will tell you if there is a manpage to help you. That's why there's the debian quick reference, amoungst other things.
03:13.12Initial_Kthx asg and reldrgn
03:13.18RelDrgn(that does seem like a pretty commonly asked question ;)
03:13.31asgRelDrgn: and by all means add something if it isn't there but you think it is useful
03:13.48dondelelcaroand worst case, you can come here and ask. We'll tell you what manpage to look, and how to find it fast the next time.
03:13.53asgRelDrgn: the answer is in our factoid (/mdg dpkg nodm)
03:14.23Initial_Kwhat is sarge??
03:14.27dondelelcaro!sarge
03:14.27dpkgFall in!  Ten-HUT!  Sarge is the new 'testing' version of Debian, which will become stable soon.  You can help test it: ask me about "d-i" or see the #debian-boot topic. ask me about <sarge stable>
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03:15.30jankarhi
03:15.40Tezkahif my card is integrated into the motherboard, would it be USB, pcmia, or native pci?
03:15.44Tezkahwireless card, that is
03:15.48yxahow do i create a cranky bot like dpkg and have it say shit when we do a command
03:15.58asgTezkah: does 'lscpi' show it?
03:16.00nvzTezkah: probably pci
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03:16.17jankarDoes anyone know how i can uninstall lilo as the main boot loader and use grub?????????
03:16.21Initial_KKif I just d/l debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso and install using only this cd, is it ok?
03:16.24Tezkahthats it!
03:16.28asgjankar: basically just install grub
03:16.33Tezkahyou three letter bastards.
03:16.33z36raWhats a good program for burning CD's and DVD's?
03:16.34TezkahI mean
03:16.37Tezkahnice people
03:16.42jankarokay i installed grub
03:16.42asghahahaha
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03:17.02Tezkah0000:00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01)
03:17.04jankarand it still booted lilo????
03:17.10nvzif you mean video card, thats usually the Northbridge chip on the mobo
03:17.12asgjankar: /msg dpkg grub (for install instructions and helpful hints)
03:17.14sysfaultz36ra: cdredcord, k3b, etc..
03:17.18Tezkahhmm, that might not be the wirless card, is it?
03:17.34z36rathanx sysfault
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03:19.12kaplanfxjankar: I just installed grub yesterday, it beats the shit out of lilo.  plus when you build a kernel with kpkg, you can have update-grub run automagically when you dpkg -i the kernel package.
03:19.14jankarcan anyone tell me why when i update lilo.conf it won't update i ran "lilo" after i updated the file it's like its using an alternative file or somthing
03:19.51z36rasysfault: will check them out. Which do you prefer?
03:20.27jankarokay
03:21.05sysfaultz36ra: if you're a kde, or don't mind installing some kdelibs, or base applications then k3b is great, but if you mind doing so cdrecord is fine.
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03:21.47jankarso does anyone know why lilo would still be booting if i just installed and configured grub
03:22.08z36rasysfault: kde here. I was using gnome on RH but KDE is working fine for me on sarge.
03:22.13nvsjankar: Did you do a "grub-install /dev/hdX" ?
03:22.14kaplanfxjankar: did you run grub-install?
03:22.21kaplanfxhehe
03:22.21jankaryeah
03:22.30nvskaplanfx: Copy cat! ;-)
03:22.34kaplanfxinto the correct drive for the correct mbr?
03:22.43jankaryeah
03:22.44nvskaplanfx: Yes.
03:22.52kaplanfxnvs: eh, I beat u but stupid latancy got me
03:22.58kaplanfxlatency rather
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03:24.25kaplanfxheh well we may never see jankar again
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03:25.12kaplanfxwoop new version of snood
03:25.20kaplanfxthank god I still have windows on my other comp
03:25.39kaplanfxmy windows comp really = snood + quicken box
03:25.39HackelPlease...  Frozen bubble kicks snood's ass.
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03:25.55kaplanfxHackel: no way, this is one area where linux losses badly
03:26.07kaplanfxsnood rocks!
03:26.08asgkaplanfx: what's wrong with nethack?
03:26.13Hackelkaplanfx: has nothign to do with Linux.  Forzen Bubble is available for Windows also.
03:26.25kaplanfxHackel: yeah, but snood isn't avil for linux
03:26.37kaplanfxasg: nothing, were are talking about puzzle-bobble type games
03:26.38Hackelkaplanfx: right, and it's also crappy proprietary software.
03:26.47asgkaplanfx: I know, t'was a joke
03:26.53kaplanfxHackel: proprietary yes, crappy no
03:27.08Hackelkaplanfx: if you can really separate the two. :P
03:27.14kaplanfxI wonder if snood would run in wine
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03:27.39HackelFor some reason I thought snood was still for DOS.
03:27.54kaplanfxoh yeah I use excel on my windows box too
03:27.58HackelI only remember having to constantly delete it from lab computers.
03:28.01kaplanfxother than that its a brick
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03:28.33TezkahI give up for today, no wlan for tezkah
03:28.39Impulse6how can i configure my keyboard, emacs doesn't recognize the alt key
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03:31.14peterSImpulse6: let me guess, you have a 104-key keyboard and emacs uses the windows logo key as its meta
03:32.18kaplanfxwoohoo new armageddon mode in snood
03:32.53TezkahFailed to load p80211.o.
03:33.10Tezkahlemme guess, I gotta recompile my kernel with p80211.o in it?
03:33.25kaplanfxwhoa they have an os X version, I bet it could be ported to linux pretty eazy
03:33.33kaplanfxTezkah: you could build a module
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03:34.06Tezkahkaplanfx, how would one go about that?
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03:34.40alexscottre
03:34.42alexscottcrackage de mon
03:34.44alexscottX
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03:35.07alexscottil a pas aime lorske je lui ai demande simultanement de compiler freetype1 et freetype2
03:35.21Tezkah!speaka any inglis
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03:35.34alexscottoups sorry
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03:35.48alexscotterror it isnt the good tab ...
03:36.02z36rayo hable engles
03:36.09Tezkahhehe, thats ok
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03:36.39z36raviva la Debian!
03:36.48alexscottfreetype1 and freetype2 arent compatible
03:36.57Tezkahyo queiro wlan!?
03:37.04TezkahI am going to jump out of my window...
03:37.08alexscottbut i need twice or just freetype2 ???
03:37.16Tezkahalthough I am in a basement. so it wouldn't hurt :|
03:37.25z36rayo quero taco bell
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03:37.43alexscott!speak
03:37.43dpkgARFFFFFFFFFFFF
03:38.03peterSz36ra: you should really just speak the language you *do* know, on this channel, which also happens to be the one language everyone else knows
03:38.05z36radpkg is tired of the sillyness
03:38.06dpkgz36ra: wish i knew
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03:38.38z36raand peters
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03:39.11z36rapeters, dpkg: I'm finished
03:39.51kaplanfxTezkah: um
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03:40.14kaplanfxTezkah: you need to select the option to build the module in you .config file for the kernel
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03:40.33kaplanfxTezkah: then you run make modules && make modules_install
03:40.41kaplanfxthen modprobe the new module you built
03:40.50Tezkahooh
03:41.09kaplanfxthat will rebuild any modules that have not been built or need to be rebuilt
03:41.10tritiumWarty Warthog in less than two days...
03:41.40kaplanfxTezkah: you may want to run make modules, then su to root before running make modules_install
03:41.45kaplanfxer
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03:42.03kaplanfxand it might be something like make modules install or make modules-install
03:42.10kaplanfxI forget which off the top of my head
03:42.17Guerinfuck this country
03:42.22Guerincan't fucking do anything
03:42.27kaplanfxGuerin: whcih country is that?
03:42.31kaplanfxwhich
03:42.34War2dondelelcaro: there?
03:42.38alexscottmake modules_install
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03:42.45Guerincan;t even get a fucking cellphone without a korean credit card
03:42.59kaplanfxalexscott: yeah thats what I thought, I was right the first time :)
03:43.04Guerinunless you buy a second-hand handset ... figure me that one out
03:43.07TezkahCONFIG_NET_WIRELESS=y
03:43.14Guerinkaplanfx: .kr
03:43.15Tezkahthats whats in my .config
03:43.19Tezkahshouldnt that make it work?
03:43.20alexscotty kaplanfx
03:43.24kaplanfxTezkah: you need to select the card
03:43.28CaelumI'm not convinced yet that there are any countries that don't suck
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03:43.32War2dondelelcaro: I think I figured out one problem with the current setup (exim4): The logs say 'T: remote_smtp for ...' , while it should be saying 'T: remote_smtp_smarthost for ...' - so it is not even going to the smarthost section.
03:43.35kaplanfxwhich card do you have?
03:43.42[bono]Question: Is it possible to pass arguments to an xslt script?
03:43.42War2dondelelcaro: that clears up few things. Thanks for your hints.
03:43.49War2dondelelcaro: I'll take a look at this later.
03:43.51kaplanfxTezkah: also I think with kernel 2.4 you need wireless-tools or something of that nature
03:44.03alexscottyes
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03:44.15kaplanfxTezkah: it should be something like YOUR_CARD_DRIVER=m
03:44.17alexscottright kaplanfx :P
03:44.17Tezkahkaplanfx, this is 2.6.8
03:44.19z36rakaplan: so is Tezkah not on Debian?
03:44.32TezkahTezkah is on debian :S
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03:44.43kaplanfxz36ra: I think he/she is
03:44.45QuaD-http://www.pastebin.com/101179
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03:44.51QuaD-does anyone see anything wrong with that
03:44.57QuaD-my routing is all messed up
03:45.02Guerin!anyone
03:45.02dpkg***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do.
03:45.07z36rawhy wont fakeroot work for building a module or am I beeing stupid.
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03:45.15kaplanfxz36ra: yeah that too
03:45.18kaplanfx:)
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03:45.41z36rakaplan: which? stupid or fakeroot?
03:45.48z36rahehe
03:45.57kaplanfxTezkah: you may still need wireless-tools, I haven't used wireless on 2.6 kernel
03:46.05Tezkahah, I do have wireless tools
03:46.14Tezkahiwconfig doesn't show wlan0
03:46.16kaplanfxz36ra: half a dozen of one, 6 of the other
03:46.40kaplanfxTezkah: there is a way to create a device, I don't know how to do it.  its like makedev or something
03:46.57Caelummknod
03:47.01kaplanfxyeah
03:47.04Caelumor you could just run udev
03:47.09kaplanfxwhat Caelum said
03:47.18Tezkahwlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
03:47.30alexscottwhen wlan card module works good
03:47.32CaelumTezkah: that means your driver is not loaded
03:47.40Tezkahafter complaining about the 80211 module
03:47.41kaplanfxTezkah: did the module load properly?
03:47.45alexscottiwconfig show a wlan interface
03:47.52kaplanfxTezkah: what card do you have?
03:48.00kaplanfxTezkah: did you build the correct module for it?
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03:48.07Tezkahprism2_usb
03:48.19TezkahI've linked it in the modprobe stuff
03:48.29Tezkahso that wlan0 = prism2_usb
03:48.37alexscottiwconfig
03:48.39TezkahI dont know if thats right though, since this is integrated into the motherboard
03:48.44alexscottshow wlan0 ???
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03:49.05Tezkahiwconfig doesn't show it
03:49.14alexscottit doesnt work :P
03:49.15Tezkaheven though its in /etc/network/interfaces/
03:49.40kaplanfxTezkah: um, did you build the hermes module?
03:49.54kaplanfxor it might be prism2 I can't recall
03:50.01kaplanfxI think hermes handles all of them
03:50.06alexscottwhy dont do lspci to see the chipset ???
03:50.14TezkahI'm using this guys .config, he also has a averatec
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03:50.50Tezkahlspci = 0000:00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01)
03:51.00alexscottwait
03:51.06Tezkahwait wait, could it be a new crazy card?
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03:51.32kaplanfxyou have an avertec?  is that the walmart budget laptop?
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03:51.47alexscott802.11g or b ???
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03:51.51Tezkahg
03:51.57Tezkahand it is thin and light and cheap :O
03:52.38kaplanfxTezkah: but the wireless doesn't work in linux :)
03:52.47Tezkahargh
03:53.04kaplanfxhave you googled it yet?
03:53.07Guerin!cheap hardware
03:53.24kaplanfxGuerin: hehe, cheap is great, until it don
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03:53.26kaplanfxdon't work
03:53.52Guerinthere's no substitute for buying good hardware
03:54.02alexscottTezkah, http://obsequious.net/tech/averatec-3225.jsp
03:54.16z36rahow do you think M$ keeps themselves alive?
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03:54.44aTypicalWhat does it mean when I'm applying a patch and it says "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]"?
03:54.47TezkahI was just looking at that page :(
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03:54.56alexscott^^
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03:56.02kaplanfxTezkah: well its possible, happy hacking :)
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03:56.41kaplanfxTezkah: try emailing that person, I bet they slip you a copy of the driver on the downlow
03:57.06alexscottdid u go here Tezkah http://www.ralinktech.com/supp-1.htm ???
03:57.07scarynetworkguyThe only thing worse than a distro "based on Debian" is a distro "based on RedHat
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03:57.39z36rahuh?
03:57.52z36radid I read that right?
03:58.00Tezkahalexscott, I'm there
03:58.06g4ltscarynetworkguy no, there is worse than that: "based on gentoo" ;P
03:58.33scarynetworkguyg4lt: That would be fucking bad. :|
03:58.44alexscottu have built it ???
03:58.50g4lt!u
03:58.51dpkgDammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.
03:59.02z36rascarynet is waiting on longhorn... it doesnt have "long" in the name for nothing.
03:59.04g4ltwhy wait?
03:59.49scarynetworkguyg4lt: Because in the morning they all gather in one place. Less driving> I figure if I do it just right I should be able to get em all with 3 claymores. :D
04:00.19g4ltscarynetworkguy where will you hold the third?  hell, where will you hold the second?
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