| 00:00.23 | emilios | i found the route -tail ??? |
| 00:00.24 | morner | bluefox83: does this look familiar: "Warning: Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface.: |
| 00:00.29 | morner | in the -scanbus output |
| 00:00.33 | cafuego | morner: It's not so much akernel option as a feature in specific kernel versions. |
| 00:00.38 | greycat | morner: hehe |
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| 00:00.55 | morner | damn it |
| 00:01.04 | bluefox83 | morner, no O.o |
| 00:01.12 | greycat | morner: if you're using 2.4.x, just use ide-scsi like god intended. |
| 00:01.23 | morner | greycat: no, no |
| 00:01.25 | morner | 2.6.8 |
| 00:01.26 | greycat | morner: if you're in 2.6, you should be using ATA: |
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| 00:01.34 | greycat | NOBODY should be using ATAPI: in cdrecord. |
| 00:01.35 | cafuego | sudo cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus; 0,0,0 0) 'HITACHI ' 'DVD-ROM GD-5000 ' '0213' Removable CD-ROM |
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| 00:01.56 | sp1r1t | Ari`: that looks good |
| 00:01.58 | morner | greycat: well, i've been dev=ATA'ing |
| 00:02.08 | Ari` | sp1r1t: that was route -n, btw |
| 00:02.11 | morner | tbh, i don't know where ATAPI came into the discussion :P |
| 00:02.13 | cafuego | Haha! It's not actually seen thew bllodt CDRW drove niw <heh> |
| 00:02.34 | greycat | morner: you *do* realize that 2.6.8 is completely fucked, right? |
| 00:02.34 | cafuego | "NON CCS Disk" |
| 00:02.44 | greycat | morner: and that CD burning is one of the areas of severe fuckage? |
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| 00:03.08 | morner | greycat: no, i didn't know that |
| 00:03.18 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 00:03.18 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513> |
| 00:03.23 | morner | i've always blamed my own incompetence when linux goes wrong on me :/ |
| 00:03.54 | morner | that sounds ominous |
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| 00:04.42 | morner | cafuego: lemme know if you can burn cds in it :) |
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| 00:05.04 | morner | ah well |
| 00:05.08 | inner | ooo, I live after a kernel image update :D |
| 00:05.18 | greycat | !congratulate inner |
| 00:05.19 | dpkg | huzzah inner, you did it! |
| 00:05.37 | morner | i have everything i *really* need working in 2.6.8, greycat, so i'll stick with it for the time being |
| 00:05.48 | morner | cba recompiling nvidia drivers again :P |
| 00:05.52 | greycat | !window scaling |
| 00:05.52 | dpkg | i guess window scaling is http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/ -> if you're having problems connecting to some sites with Linux kernels later than 2.6.7, read this. |
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| 00:06.31 | morner | whose benifit was that for? |
| 00:06.37 | greycat | anyone's. |
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| 00:06.49 | kokosh | hi guys |
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| 00:06.59 | morner | very community-minded of you |
| 00:07.00 | kokosh | wht program would i use to record svideo?? |
| 00:07.04 | Ari` | sp1r1t: so...i'm out of luck? |
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| 00:08.53 | docgnome | I can't seem to figure out how to get Grub to accept input from the up and down keys on my keyboard... it accepts other input... just not those two keys, and its irritating because I can't chose the OS I want to boot. |
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| 00:09.53 | sp1r1t | Ari`: hm, wait a sec... smoking |
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| 00:10.50 | kokosh | docgnome: have u tried using the num pad keys?? |
| 00:11.00 | docgnome | kokosh : yar. No dice. |
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| 00:11.53 | docgnome | Come on people! Use your combined mad skills and solve my problem! :-p |
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| 00:12.24 | kokosh | docgnome: is this a fresh install?? |
| 00:12.40 | greycat | is it a PS/2 US PC104 keyboard? |
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| 00:12.48 | docgnome | kokosh: No. |
| 00:13.00 | docgnome | greycat: i think its 107 key. not sure. |
| 00:13.05 | freemo | how would i search a directory recoursivly and delete all directories named "Debug" ? |
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| 00:13.12 | docgnome | greycat: but the rest of that stuff is true :-P |
| 00:13.16 | greycat | did it work yesterday? |
| 00:13.18 | veleno | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.22 | satHan | freemo: find ./ -name "Debug" -exec rm {} \; |
| 00:13.28 | docgnome | greycat: Nope. |
| 00:13.30 | afcpack | docgnome: do the keys in question work once the os has booted? |
| 00:13.36 | satHan | freemo: rm -rf, rather |
| 00:13.44 | docgnome | afcpack: Yep. |
| 00:13.49 | freemo | thanks |
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| 00:15.00 | freemo | satHan, it replied "find: ./directory/here/Debug: No such file or directory" |
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| 00:15.38 | afcpack | docgnome: do you have any other keyboards you could try? |
| 00:15.40 | sp1r1t | Ari`: check the output of 'iwconfig eth0' |
| 00:15.41 | mxn | Hi. I was wondering if there's an application that will simply rip/decrypt the contents of a DVD to a standard, burnable format. |
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| 00:15.57 | greycat | mxn: cp |
| 00:16.07 | Ari` | sp1r1t: what aspect of it are you interested in? |
| 00:16.10 | greycat | oh wait... DVD, not CD. Not sure if cp will handle that. |
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| 00:16.15 | docgnome | afcpack: Aye, my old one does work. |
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| 00:16.20 | beowu1f | greycat: kernel messages are stored in /var/log/kernel correct? so why then when i type dmesg do i get information[plugging in usb or something] that current[logfile] does not?? may u please help me on this |
| 00:16.20 | mxn | greycat: It's that simple? I was just considering decryption for copying (of discs where I've got permission of copyright holder, of course). |
| 00:16.29 | jcurry | can I do a username:password for a ftp debian repository in my sources.list |
| 00:16.37 | docgnome | afcpack: I just don't get why this one doesn't. makes no sense to me. |
| 00:16.41 | greycat | beowu1f: man dmesg |
| 00:16.42 | WiFiTux | mxn, just do a copy! What's the size of the DVD Data? |
| 00:16.42 | sp1r1t | is it associated with the access point? (should be if you're getting an IP) |
| 00:16.55 | sp1r1t | Ari`: are WEP settings correct? |
| 00:17.07 | Ari` | yeah, there's no WEP, pretty much the default config |
| 00:17.22 | WiFiTux | sp1r1t, are you having a WiFi Porblem? :) |
| 00:17.24 | sp1r1t | did you set the ESSID? |
| 00:17.24 | rob|lt | Hello. Is there a dummy package to install all the development packages necessary for compiling c/c++ tar.gz's with debian? I'm not sure 100% what I need and don't need, and I would rather not install a bunch of crap I don't need ;) |
| 00:17.32 | Ari` | sp1r1t: yeah, essid is correct |
| 00:17.40 | citral | rob|lt: build-essential |
| 00:17.41 | afcpack | docgnome: if it did the same thing on another system, I'd say that the keyboard is bad |
| 00:17.45 | rob|lt | citral, thanks alot |
| 00:17.47 | sp1r1t | rob|lt: compiling what? |
| 00:17.55 | _frank | iptables -P INPUT DROP is it possbile to define device here? |
| 00:17.56 | rob|lt | gtk-chtheme |
| 00:17.59 | mxn | WiFiTux: ~8GB? |
| 00:18.00 | rob|lt | for starters |
| 00:18.18 | WiFiTux | mxn, Data or Movie? |
| 00:18.28 | mxn | WiFiTux: Movie. I should've specified... |
| 00:18.34 | beowu1f | greycat: but it's not dmesg thats the prob... it's the logger[metalog] surely? |
| 00:18.34 | citral | rob|lt: it's only a base. If you want to compile your kernel the debian way, you need make-kpkg for example. |
| 00:18.42 | docgnome | afcpack: I don't have another debian system to try it on. Thing is, i switched keyboard when i was running windows and had no problems. and I'm rather irriated, as i like this keyboard alot better than the other one :-P |
| 00:18.51 | WiFiTux | mxn, I know there's a DVD Shrink for Windowx... |
| 00:18.58 | mxn | WiFiTux: Yes. ;-) |
| 00:19.00 | rob|lt | citral: Thanks. |
| 00:19.02 | greycat | there's DVD::Rip for Linux. |
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| 00:19.11 | citral | mencoder |
| 00:19.13 | greycat | Find it at marillat, like all the other good stuff... |
| 00:19.14 | sp1r1t | rob|lt: i see, i misunderstood the question |
| 00:19.46 | rob|lt | sp1r1t, np, glad so many people are eager to help :) |
| 00:19.52 | shinguz | mxn: acidrip is a nice frontend for mencoder too |
| 00:20.00 | citral | shinguz: yep |
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| 00:20.07 | jcurry | can I do a username:password for a ftp debian repository in my sources.list? |
| 00:20.19 | citral | !sing the sunday song |
| 00:20.20 | ludi | Hello. How do I get libmss.so.6 on to my system please? Thanks. |
| 00:20.30 | mxn | shinguz: I was put off dvdrip because it seemed to be using its own project formats and dir structures...a bit too complex for what I want. |
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| 00:20.43 | rdancer | rob|lt: you may also consider apt-get build-dep <packagename>; apt-get source <packagename>, if it already is packed in debian.. |
| 00:20.45 | cafuego | !find libmss.so |
| 00:20.51 | inner | greycat : was it you that gave me a url of how to contuinue installing the nvidia drives, after installing the kernel? |
| 00:20.55 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libmss.so' returned no results. |
| 00:20.59 | rob|lt | mxn: I found dvd::rip using xvid to give awsome quality. I always had a/v synch issues with mencoder |
| 00:21.01 | ludi | !find libmss.so |
| 00:21.09 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libmss.so' returned no results. |
| 00:21.14 | ludi | cafuego: What does !find libmss.so mean? |
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| 00:21.36 | mxn | rob|lt: I'm interested in making full DVD copies. |
| 00:21.50 | cafuego | ludi: It's a search command for the bot 'dpkg'. It found nothing, libmss.so is not in debian. |
| 00:21.53 | greycat | rob|lt: the sync issues go away (mostly?) if you use the sdl audio-out module. mplayer -ao sdl |
| 00:21.53 | satHan | ludi: it looks in the apt repository for that filename |
| 00:22.06 | ludi | oh |
| 00:22.25 | ludi | well when I try to launch neverwinter nights, it gives this error: ./nwmain: error while loading shared libraries: libmss.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:22.25 | rob|lt | green-earz, good to know. The newest XVids are amazing though... almost no block artifacts at all! |
| 00:22.34 | rob|lt | sorry, that was for greycat |
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| 00:22.58 | tcsetattr | libmss.sf.net ? |
| 00:23.00 | greycat | rob|lt: I just wish dvdrip could have pulled individual chapters out of that MTV video DVD. |
| 00:23.18 | greycat | rob|lt: I ended up using mencoder for it, and making AVIs with mpeg4/mp3 instead of my normal ogg/xvid/vorbis |
| 00:23.20 | cafuego | ludi: Probably some redhat thing that normal distros don't have. |
| 00:23.33 | cafuego | ludi: Try the nwn website FAQ or somesuch. |
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| 00:25.13 | Ari` | sp1r1t / rdancer: thanks for trying...gotta run |
| 00:25.23 | rob|lt | greycat, do you use acidrip or your own script? |
| 00:25.27 | sp1r1t | Ari`: yeah - fear we werent of much help |
| 00:25.29 | directhex | i use dvd::rip to get vobs off the disc, then avidemux to do post-processing & encoding. w/ xvid video && directly copy the dolby audio |
| 00:25.39 | ludi | the file "libmss.so.6" is located in /opt/nwn/miles directory, so I wonder why it can't find it. |
| 00:26.22 | greycat | rob|lt: for the one-off mencoder job? I used the command line. |
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| 00:26.22 | greycat | griffon:~$ mencoder dvd://1 -chapter 9-9 -frames 7912 -o /dvdrip/beaver2.avi -vf scale -zoom -xy 360 -oac mp3lame -lameopts preset=standard -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=1200 |
| 00:26.22 | shinguz | when i replace a PS/2 mouse do i have to reboot or is there some utility that lets the system see the new mouse? |
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| 00:26.22 | greycat | I had to manually compute the number of frames... |
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| 00:26.46 | greycat | shinguz: PS/2 ports are not hot-pluggable, so ideally you should power off, then replace it, then power on. But sometimes you get lucky. |
| 00:26.52 | tct | I was told to use dpkg -S to find out which package a file came from, is there anouther way? |
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| 00:27.11 | greycat | tct: packages.debian.org |
| 00:27.22 | greycat | but why the fuck isn't ONE way good enough for you? |
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| 00:27.35 | citral | greycat: I can interchange german and french keyboard without rebooting on the pc at home. |
| 00:27.43 | greycat | citral: it depends on the motherboard, I suspect |
| 00:27.54 | citral | right. |
| 00:28.00 | tct | cause I used it a few times and still wasnt sure what package the file came from |
| 00:28.07 | rares000 | ps2 mouse is not like the keyboard always causes a crassh on my machines |
| 00:28.08 | sjtu | When dpkg -P apps failed, how to remove the apps then? |
| 00:28.16 | rdancer | citral: you have a *physical* keyboard for every language you type in??? |
| 00:28.28 | shinguz | greycat: that is about what i thought too. for some reason all the mice i have tried on non-linux systems have worked without the reboot but when i do that on linux, no luck. well, might be safer to reboot in anycase even if all my computers are old p.o.s'es |
| 00:28.37 | citral | rdancer: haha no, I'm expatriated. |
| 00:28.39 | rares000 | sjtu try apt-get remove --purge |
| 00:28.40 | _frank | is it possible to define interface here: iptables -P INPUT DROP |
| 00:28.40 | _frank | ? |
| 00:28.54 | greycat | shinguz: restarting X may be sufficient in some cases |
| 00:28.58 | sjtu | rares000: it don't work |
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| 00:29.14 | rob|lt | greycat, here is a bash script I made a while ago... feel free to grab it an tailer it to your needs if you want: http://www.pastebin.com/100468 |
| 00:29.26 | rdancer | shinguz: if you use gpm, you should configure gpm to see the new mouse, then /etc/init.d/gpm restart & you're done |
| 00:29.35 | shinguz | i use gpm for the mouse and even restarting gpm does not work on an ibm pcserver 320 :( |
| 00:29.59 | citral | rob|lt: nice script. |
| 00:30.30 | shinguz | not that i plan on replacing mice all the time for that matter |
| 00:30.32 | rdancer | shinguz: you have to tell gpm how to find that mouse (it can't find it by itself, afaik 8-( ) |
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| 00:30.43 | rob|lt | it seems to have cut off the \ to continue the lines, so you will have to add them where they seem appropriate. |
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| 00:31.09 | greycat | most people don't :) |
| 00:31.14 | rdancer | shinguz: you can have >=0 mouses in the system at any given time |
| 00:31.34 | shinguz | :) |
| 00:31.39 | dondelelcaro | citral: it's probably a good idea not to use more than about 10% of bash... since that other 90% tends to get rather kludgy |
| 00:31.50 | rdancer | s/mouses/mice/ goddamnit! |
| 00:31.55 | satHan | yeah thats why we have perl |
| 00:32.20 | shinguz | that is my second language as a matter of fact |
| 00:32.34 | leikh | big problem! i apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.16-586, but chose not to use it, and went on with my old kernel. during next boot i got this: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:03. I shit my pants! What's up? |
| 00:32.42 | rdancer | cafuego: bye bye, cafuego ;) |
| 00:32.51 | citral | leikh: panic ? |
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| 00:33.08 | greycat | dondelelcaro: when 2.8 exists, most likely |
| 00:33.13 | citral | dondelelcaro: it's a little bit late for that :) |
| 00:33.22 | rares000 | if I type apt-get install x y and y is already installed will apt-get continue with installing x without complaining |
| 00:33.32 | greycat | rares000: yes |
| 00:33.34 | citral | rares000: yes |
| 00:33.41 | dondelelcaro | citral: it's never too late to calm down and stop breaking things... |
| 00:33.44 | satHan | rares000: what would you want it to do? |
| 00:33.45 | greycat | at least it won't complain *too* loudly. |
| 00:33.55 | leikh | citral: yup |
| 00:34.03 | rares000 | no complaints just do the smart thing |
| 00:34.04 | afcpack | dondelelcaro: would that relate to the errors I keep getting at boot w/ ich2rom, pciehp, and shpchp? |
| 00:34.08 | dondelelcaro | greycat: yeah, probably... seems that they don't learn much from the 2.4 series... |
| 00:34.08 | satHan | rares000: although it probably tries to upgrade the already installed package |
| 00:34.15 | rares000 | that's fine |
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| 00:34.40 | leikh | citral: will it let go? |
| 00:34.47 | dondelelcaro | afcpack: dunno. I'm still stuck in 2.6.3 land since every subsequent release has broken sleeping on ppc. |
| 00:35.19 | sjtu | how to make dpkg purge a package with force? |
| 00:35.24 | citral | leikh: how did you tell the system NOT TO USE the new kernel ? |
| 00:35.34 | dondelelcaro | sjtu: dpkg --purge -r foopkg |
| 00:35.39 | afcpack | dondelelcaro: I keep getting errors @ boot, but they don't appear in dmesg, and they don't appear to cause any subsequent problems |
| 00:35.42 | dondelelcaro | sjtu: there is no force. Fix the problems. |
| 00:35.52 | leikh | citral: well, i never did run lilo |
| 00:35.53 | dondelelcaro | afcpack: like what? |
| 00:35.53 | sjtu | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 00:35.58 | greycat | sjtu: YES, this means you must actually READ the error message. |
| 00:36.14 | citral | dondelelcaro: heh, I think I will re-compile a 2.4-benh for my ibook. Installing 2.6 was a mistake. |
| 00:36.25 | rob|lt | leikh, isn't your old kernel still an option when you boot? |
| 00:36.33 | dondelelcaro | citral: dunno... 2.6.3 works fine... his 2.6.3-rcsomething broke everything, though. |
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| 00:36.42 | dondelelcaro | s/everything/sleeping/ |
| 00:36.54 | afcpack | dondelelcaro: I get modprobe fatal errors with ich2rom and pciehp no such file or directory |
| 00:36.59 | citral | dondelelcaro: yep. The screen stays on |
| 00:37.00 | sjtu | greycat: the package is unoffice, i just wantrremove it anyway :) |
| 00:37.10 | dondelelcaro | afcpack: that'd be because you don't have ich2rom and pciehp compiled. |
| 00:37.11 | leikh | rob|lt: i don't get any options during boot, despite the fact that i have several in lilo.conf... hmmm... |
| 00:37.33 | WiFiTux | citral, I said the same thing about 2.6, but It was ignorance. Fight it! |
| 00:37.36 | dondelelcaro | afcpack: and they're probably listed in /etc/modules or discover thinks that it should load them. |
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| 00:38.34 | afcpack | not in /etc/modules... Guess I'd better check my config :) |
| 00:38.36 | citral | WiFiTux: at the moment I have better things to do than fighting, I just want everything working like I espect :p |
| 00:39.08 | sp1r1t | leikh: did you have multiple options before you installed the kernel-package? |
| 00:39.45 | citral | leikh: anyway, you must now boot from a floppy or cd and edit you lilo.conf, and re-run lilo. |
| 00:39.47 | WiFiTux | citral, today I built the kernel 4 times, I was getting my system the perfect way I want it. damned SpeedStep. |
| 00:40.25 | citral | WiFiTux: hahaha, you're obsessed. |
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| 00:40.25 | WiFiTux | citral, :) |
| 00:40.36 | leikh | sp1r1t: done that. same kernel panic :( |
| 00:40.38 | citral | WiFiTux: I'm learning C and writing a home page, I don't have time for this kind of kernel trip :) |
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| 00:41.05 | inner | annoying that lilo, everytime I see I think about this rubber raft floating around. |
| 00:41.08 | leikh | citral: done that. same kernel panic :( |
| 00:41.14 | WiFiTux | citral, nah, I sent my site to hell. I did a simple thing in it. www.linuxwireless.org |
| 00:41.15 | sp1r1t | leikh: done what? |
| 00:41.31 | leikh | sp1r1t: sorry. that was for citral |
| 00:41.49 | sp1r1t | yeah, i could have guessed :-) |
| 00:41.52 | WiFiTux | leikh, kernel panic in debian? Sarge, woody? |
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| 00:42.07 | leikh | WiFiTux: woody |
| 00:42.15 | citral | leikh: what was your precedent kernel ? |
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| 00:42.31 | leikh | citral: 2.2.20 |
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| 00:42.40 | WiFiTux | leikh, odd. You built your own kernel? |
| 00:42.44 | sp1r1t | that is quiet old |
| 00:42.56 | inner | default kernel |
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| 00:42.59 | sp1r1t | quite |
| 00:43.14 | WiFiTux | leikh, woody has 2.4.18 in it! |
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| 00:43.27 | WiFiTux | bf24 |
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| 00:43.33 | leikh | sp1r1t: if it works, don't fix it... but then... |
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| 00:43.55 | chig | how do i send a raw tcp stream? for example i need to send keyboard interrupts from one computer to another computer using an application on the receiving machine that can read the stream |
| 00:43.56 | leikh | WiFiTux: that's why I tried to install 2.4.16 |
| 00:44.10 | sp1r1t | why 2.4.16? |
| 00:44.12 | chig | is there a way to pipe a terminal into a tcp stream? |
| 00:44.19 | chig | and specify the destination ip (local) and port |
| 00:44.20 | inner | leikh : why not .18 ? |
| 00:44.25 | leikh | sp1r1t: 586 |
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| 00:45.05 | sp1r1t | that doesn't make a huge difference - you may ignore that |
| 00:45.27 | sp1r1t | better get a recent 2.4kernel |
| 00:45.28 | WiFiTux | leikh, well there are ways to do thing very easy. When i reload. I keep my .config and I have my kernel and suff in another partition. |
| 00:45.38 | cafuego | Linux kahlua 2.6.9-rc1-bk18kahlua #1 Sun Sep 12 10:26:04 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:45.44 | cafuego | *bing* |
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| 00:46.07 | leikh | WiFiTux: not much help right now :-/ |
| 00:46.22 | somerobot | anyone still using potato (just wondering)? |
| 00:46.28 | cafuego | leikh: ANything < 2.4.27 has nasty crash/root bugs. |
| 00:46.42 | WiFiTux | leikh, why the panic? have any SCSI drives? |
| 00:46.43 | cafuego | somerobot: no, but i do have a Slackware 3.0 box. |
| 00:46.47 | somerobot | lol |
| 00:46.51 | leikh | WiFiTux: nope |
| 00:46.52 | Tweak | Hi, all. I cant seem to remember what its called, buts like hz_rate. Its like how many refreshes the linux box does a second? Anybody have an idea? |
| 00:47.03 | WiFiTux | leikh, then? |
| 00:47.12 | cafuego | somerobot: ... running happily on 2.0.49 |
| 00:47.20 | afcpack | dondelelcaro: found it... under pci hotplug support |
| 00:47.22 | leikh | WiFiTux: VFS: Cannot open root device "303" or 03:03 |
| 00:47.30 | valdyn | Tweak: thats task switch frequency |
| 00:47.36 | kaplanfx | cafuego: what are the specs on that box? |
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| 00:47.49 | WiFiTux | leikh, are you using kernel-images or what? |
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| 00:48.05 | Tweak | valdyn ? is it called hz_rate |
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| 00:48.06 | Tweak | ? |
| 00:48.12 | cafuego | kaplanfx: K6-2/350 with 128MB ram, EGA card, pci scsi. Does storage and pppoe. |
| 00:48.26 | valdyn | Tweak: CONFIG_HZ maybe |
| 00:48.26 | cafuego | s/EGA/ISA EGA/ |
| 00:48.36 | shinguz | k6-2 with *ega*? dang |
| 00:48.41 | WiFiTux | leikh, hhmm odd, try downloading woody bf24 |
| 00:48.43 | WiFiTux | or sarge |
| 00:48.46 | suedoh | Hi guys, I am installing a kernel from scratch, and I do the menuconfig, then I do the make modules&&make modules_install&make install dance. Then I point the first entry in Grub to /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8, but it reboots and says KERNEL PANIC regarding /dev/hda1 |
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| 00:48.52 | kaplanfx | cafuego: nice, I bet it actually runs quite nice for that |
| 00:49.00 | leikh | WiFiTux: image=/vmlinuz |
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| 00:49.06 | kaplanfx | Linux kapbox 2.6.8 #1 SMP Mon Aug 16 12:43:25 PDT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux <--- is that date the date and time of the last reboot? |
| 00:49.09 | cafuego | shinguz: Well, the bios doesn't have an "ignore vga errors at boot" option to it wantsa video card of some sort |
| 00:49.10 | dondelelcaro | suedoh: you haven't specified the proper root, or you haven't built in support for the root system. |
| 00:49.21 | kaplanfx | or when the kernel was installed? |
| 00:49.21 | cafuego | kaplanfx: That's compile time. |
| 00:49.24 | kaplanfx | ah |
| 00:49.24 | suedoh | dondelelcaro: i have almost every ATA device installed |
| 00:49.26 | somerobot | when compiled |
| 00:49.27 | sp1r1t | suedoh: did you copy the file to /boot/ |
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| 00:49.35 | suedoh | dondelelcaro: and the root=/dev/hda1 option is the same as all the others |
| 00:49.35 | kaplanfx | didn't make sense |
| 00:49.36 | somerobot | kaplanfx: when the kernel was compiled |
| 00:49.43 | suedoh | splrlt: it seems like it copies itself over |
| 00:49.45 | cafuego | kaplanfx: Yeah, it just sits in a room 10,000 km away and is on all the time. 196 days at last count. |
| 00:49.47 | suedoh | but i am confused which one is the kernel |
| 00:49.50 | kaplanfx | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.52 | suedoh | vmlinuz or the bzImage? |
| 00:49.57 | shinguz | cafuego: well, if you run it headless it wont really matter but isa vga cards can be found for free usually |
| 00:49.58 | leikh | WiFiTux: bf24? |
| 00:50.08 | kaplanfx | I must have rebooted a few times after I built that kernel |
| 00:50.11 | valdyn | Tweak: CONFIG_HZ_100=y if you're really referring to that |
| 00:50.12 | cafuego | shinguz: Not back when we installed said box :-) |
| 00:50.20 | shinguz | i see :D |
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| 00:50.25 | kaplanfx | 20 days ago would the aug 22 I think |
| 00:50.34 | cafuego | 10:50:20 up 204 days, 22:08 |
| 00:50.35 | kaplanfx | pretty good for a desktop machine |
| 00:50.44 | WiFiTux | leikh, yep kernel 2.4.18 |
| 00:50.45 | cafuego | *muaha* |
| 00:50.48 | kaplanfx | cafuego: nice, good and stable |
| 00:50.50 | Tweak | valdyn iyeah im looking it up. Its called the interneal kernel timer frequency |
| 00:51.04 | cafuego | kaplanfx: *that* is another one, my 2nd production server on 2.6.3 |
| 00:51.10 | Tweak | valdyn so I can change it when ever I want? or I have to set it when compiling kernel? |
| 00:51.14 | kaplanfx | cafuego: whats running on that? |
| 00:51.20 | cafuego | kaplanfx: Sarge |
| 00:51.23 | leikh | WiFiTux: but how do i sort out the initrd problem? or isn't it a problem? |
| 00:51.23 | megatronx | ok after like 7hrs. w/debian in the black screen i'm like about to give up. |
| 00:51.30 | kaplanfx | cafuego: nah I mean what is it used for? |
| 00:51.30 | sp1r1t | i usually do 'cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/bzImage-<kernel-version> and put that location into /boot/grub/grub.conf |
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| 00:51.43 | cafuego | It does apache/mysql/cyrus |
| 00:51.57 | kaplanfx | wow kernel 2.6.3 is 204 days old? |
| 00:52.03 | WiFiTux | leikh, why are you having a problem? was working, you compiled and got fucked up or never booted/ |
| 00:52.04 | valdyn | Tweak: It's set on compile time, no idea if it can be set on boot- or runtime |
| 00:52.08 | kaplanfx | seems like only yesterday 2.6.0 hit |
| 00:52.10 | cafuego | kaplanfx: At least, yes :-) |
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| 00:52.27 | megatronx | what is it with this X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)? |
| 00:52.35 | suedoh | anyone know what I can do? |
| 00:52.37 | Tweak | valdyn ok thanks very much. I am very intertested in looking at this. are you busy do you have time for me to explain why? |
| 00:52.44 | kaplanfx | I think I built this kernel just a few hours after the source went stable |
| 00:52.54 | suedoh | Guys is vmlinuz the kernel or is bzImage the kernel? |
| 00:52.54 | valdyn | Tweak: I'm free |
| 00:53.04 | WiFiTux | Did Sarge already go stable/ |
| 00:53.12 | kaplanfx | it was somewhere between 2.6.8 and 2.6.8.1 |
| 00:53.13 | citral | WiFiTux: /topic |
| 00:53.16 | kaplanfx | WiFiTux: not yet |
| 00:53.16 | cafuego | WiFiTux: no. |
| 00:53.19 | Tweak | valdyn I run gaming servers, and the refresh rate of the game server stock is 100. My clients though are getting smart and from ingame they are setting the rate to 1000. Causing the server to use up 10X more cpu resources. |
| 00:53.45 | shinguz | megatronx: you didnt happen to hit ctrl+alt+backspace by any chance |
| 00:53.48 | Tweak | valdyn I think if I drop it down to 100, even if they change it to 1000 fps, it will only go to 100. |
| 00:53.53 | megatronx | no |
| 00:54.00 | suedoh | Anyone can help? |
| 00:54.08 | valdyn | Tweak: That's a completely different thing i suppose |
| 00:54.09 | shinguz | wrong runlevel perhaps? |
| 00:54.13 | megatronx | it loads up and goes to the black screen. |
| 00:54.16 | megatronx | ??? |
| 00:54.19 | citral | suedoh: it's vmlinuz |
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| 00:54.45 | megatronx | i just finished re-installing it and I also get Fatal server error: no screens found. |
| 00:54.52 | leikh | WiFiTux: my 2.2.20 was running fine. i did apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.16-586, but forgot to run lilo after editing the lilo.conf. During reboot i got the panic message (Unable to mount root fs on 03:03). I then booted with floppy (with mount root=/dev/hda3), and here i am... |
| 00:54.53 | suedoh | am I on ignore? |
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| 00:54.57 | citral | megatronx: what card ? |
| 00:54.59 | WiFiTux | Oh, read incorrectly, sorry |
| 00:55.01 | valdyn | Tweak: You're talking about a game setting, not the kernel |
| 00:55.06 | citral | suedoh: it's vmlinuz |
| 00:55.19 | WiFiTux | leikh, can't do Linux Old? |
| 00:55.21 | Tweak | valdyn oh darn . Ok well I guess its worth a try. valdyn I have no control over the settings. The clients can change it at any time to 10000. |
| 00:55.28 | megatronx | nVidia GeForce MX440 Go on laptop. |
| 00:55.30 | suedoh | citral: oh, so what is bzImage? |
| 00:55.34 | citral | !nvidia |
| 00:55.34 | dpkg | i guess nvidia is To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. |
| 00:55.37 | suedoh | and it tells me to copy that over and make it install |
| 00:55.43 | Tweak | valdyn I dont see how if the kernel only works 100 a second, that they could have frames over 100. |
| 00:55.46 | suedoh | !kernel |
| 00:55.50 | suedoh | !rebuild kernel |
| 00:55.52 | valdyn | Tweak: So they just change their client settings i guess |
| 00:55.56 | greycat | leikh: fix lilo.conf, run lilo, reboot. |
| 00:56.04 | tman__ | hi there, i'm running into trouble with k3b |
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| 00:56.18 | tman__ | i got ls -l cdrecord -rwsrwxr-- 1 root cdrom 133 Aug 26 08:58 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 00:56.23 | inner | guys |
| 00:56.24 | WiFiTux | leikh, anyway, you changed the whole kernel, compiled it and everything? you didn't really needed to change lilo.conf, just do lilo -v |
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| 00:56.39 | greycat | WiFiTux: yes he did. initrd. |
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| 00:56.50 | tman__ | but i'm only allowed to burn as root :s |
| 00:56.55 | Tweak | valdyn um.. hehe. no clue clients settings dont matter, the client changes the setting on the server. |
| 00:57.01 | Tweak | valdyn ok thanks I will try to figure this out. |
| 00:57.03 | WiFiTux | leikh, options now is either use a floppy, or boot with a Live CD, mount the partitions and make the changes. |
| 00:57.04 | leikh | WiFiTux: just did the apt-get. nothing more. |
| 00:57.18 | valdyn | Tweak: It has nothing to do with the kernel ) |
| 00:57.25 | tman__ | any ideas? |
| 00:57.26 | citral | tman__: look the perms, you have to adduser foo cdrom to burn as foo |
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| 00:57.44 | WiFiTux | leikh, that indeed installed the kernel-image. You had to do lilo -v AFAIK. Does LinuxOld works for you on bootup? |
| 00:57.50 | tman__ | citral, yes, but my user is part of cdrom group |
| 00:57.53 | CoffeeMan | I just Installed Sarge, and I want to know how to make my devices automount and umount, so I can eject them |
| 00:57.55 | suedoh | is the following steps correct: make menuconfig && make modules && make modules_install && make install |
| 00:58.00 | suedoh | to rebuild a kernel? |
| 00:58.09 | leikh | WiFiTux: that's another problem. i don't get the boot options. |
| 00:58.13 | citral | tman__: did you log out and login ? |
| 00:58.19 | tman__ | the thing is that k3b only detect it has "reader" and not "burner" :s |
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| 00:58.21 | leikh | WiFiTux: but that didn't work before either |
| 00:58.21 | rares000 | how do I list the patches in the kernel source? |
| 00:58.37 | npx | Anyone know of a repository with blackdown.org's java (built with gcc 3.2) for unstable? |
| 00:58.38 | Tweak | valdyn ok I will have to re read all the forms I have read. |
| 00:58.45 | FieldySnuts | inner: wront protocol |
| 00:58.48 | tman__ | citral, yes indeed, i even f*** my /dev/hdb up and had to reboot |
| 00:58.48 | citral | !get-blackdown |
| 00:58.49 | dpkg | hmm... get-blackdown is go to http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html, pick a mirror, add <mirror-url>/debian <release> main non-free, (where <release> is your release (stable, testing, unstable)) to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:58.53 | FieldySnuts | wrong |
| 00:58.59 | tman__ | didn't know how to make mknode :s |
| 00:59.00 | FieldySnuts | ~fuck blackdown and java |
| 00:59.02 | apt | Humps blackdown and java's leg |
| 00:59.06 | greycat | citral: warning: when I tried that, I got a gcc-2.95 one. |
| 00:59.09 | megatronx | lmao |
| 00:59.13 | citral | !kill java |
| 00:59.23 | FieldySnuts | ~crush java |
| 00:59.25 | apt | ACTION crushes java with a full height scsi disk |
| 00:59.27 | inner | FieldySnuts : well I thought it was psaux, since it's a ps2 optical genius netscroll mouse |
| 00:59.36 | kaplanfx | gah java sucks |
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| 00:59.38 | FieldySnuts | inner: protocol not device |
| 00:59.40 | shinguz | i get the feeling you dont really like java... |
| 00:59.44 | FieldySnuts | screw java |
| 00:59.47 | CoffeeMan | NOOO |
| 00:59.49 | WiFiTux | leikh, you are kind of fucked. Download a Linux that runs into a CD or a boot floppy and mount the / partition and try changing the things back to normall. else ask greycat if there's another way, and you might be able to do a floppy drive. Also woody has a option for "Make system bootable" with the Cd, try that. |
| 00:59.50 | leikh | WiFiTux: but it doesn't matter. i've booted with floppy and mounted all important stuff. can i just apt-get install kernel-2.4.18 ? |
| 00:59.55 | kaplanfx | its supposed to be multiplatform, but all java aps really only work on winblows |
| 00:59.57 | citral | greycat: so you burn as root or sudo ? |
| 01:00.00 | kaplanfx | its a trick |
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| 01:00.11 | inner | FieldySnuts : then I don't understand, can you give me an example of a protocal ? |
| 01:00.18 | npx | Wow |
| 01:00.21 | CoffeeMan | Java Is the Best Programming Language |
| 01:00.23 | npx | I feel like an idiot now, thanks for the help =D |
| 01:00.24 | rares000 | Java works MS Java doesn't |
| 01:00.26 | FieldySnuts | CoffeeMan: laugh. |
| 01:00.29 | citral | !smite CoffeeMan |
| 01:00.30 | SpyderMan | Tweak: I'd be real suprised that a game server doesn't have an override in the server config for such values - check the docs - imagine being able to DDOS all the gamservers just by hiking up the value in the client |
| 01:00.31 | greycat | citral: I burn as myself without sudo |
| 01:00.36 | greycat | and without setuid |
| 01:00.37 | FieldySnuts | haha nice |
| 01:00.46 | npx | greycat: member of the cdrom group?! |
| 01:00.46 | kaplanfx | CoffeeMan: if by best you mean crap, then yeah |
| 01:00.49 | npx | greycat: you are #1 |
| 01:00.50 | WiFiTux | leikh, if you don't know how to compile the kernel yourself, then try a kernel image. Try kernel-image-2.4.18 or something like that. |
| 01:00.51 | greycat | npx: yes |
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| 01:00.58 | CoffeeMan | I Praise Sun Microsystems |
| 01:01.01 | SpyderMan | leikh: http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 01:01.06 | FieldySnuts | ~moron CoffeeMan |
| 01:01.11 | rares000 | CoffeeMan, why? |
| 01:01.12 | FieldySnuts | anyway |
| 01:01.19 | CoffeeMan | It is easy to learn |
| 01:01.20 | citral | greycat| citral: warning: when I tried that, I got a gcc-2.95 one. ? |
| 01:01.21 | FieldySnuts | have a good night y'all |
| 01:01.22 | megatronx | java 0wnzZ j00 @ll f0r fr33. |
| 01:01.23 | CoffeeMan | It is fast |
| 01:01.25 | WiFiTux | !moron CoffeeMan |
| 01:01.26 | dpkg | CoffeeMan: You are moron #48 |
| 01:01.29 | greycat | citral: get-blackdown. didn't work for me. |
| 01:01.29 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
| 01:01.37 | citral | greycat: ah. |
| 01:01.39 | greycat | citral: that's why I removed it from the <java> factoid |
| 01:01.41 | leikh | WiFiTux: but what about the initrd that comes to my attention? this was not the case with 2.2.20... |
| 01:01.42 | kaplanfx | CoffeeMan: its about as easy as C++, and not as fast |
| 01:01.44 | rares000 | so use sun's |
| 01:01.44 | WiFiTux | sure |
| 01:01.51 | CoffeeMan | No |
| 01:01.52 | FieldySnuts | not with that license of theirs |
| 01:02.03 | greycat | leikh: the 2.2.x kernels aren't initrd-fuckedup. |
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| 01:02.05 | npx | To the powers that be: !get-blackdown is outdated, the new mirrors list is at: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java-linux-http.html |
| 01:02.06 | tct | ... |
| 01:02.08 | CoffeeMan | It is compatible with Python |
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| 01:02.19 | FieldySnuts | I be, just not in power |
| 01:02.21 | CoffeeMan | Let's see C++ do tha |
| 01:02.28 | kaplanfx | if java is so multi platform, how come the games on yahoo.com say at the bottom <these games do not work on Unix>? |
| 01:02.31 | leikh | greycat: so initrd is just to make my day miserable? |
| 01:02.34 | rares000 | Puthon can eat whitespace |
| 01:02.37 | npx | If you compile 2.6.x with the IDE driver built in you wouldn't need to use an initrd |
| 01:02.37 | WiFiTux | leikh, No idea then. AFAIK you just need to apt-get a new kernel image, once installed then do lilo -v and check if it is listed as a boot option. |
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| 01:02.41 | npx | I think |
| 01:02.45 | FieldySnuts | you can sawy whatever you want, it's just a fact that java sucks. it is not an opinion. |
| 01:02.47 | FieldySnuts | say |
| 01:02.48 | greycat | !initrcd |
| 01:02.50 | greycat | !initrd |
| 01:02.50 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. |
| 01:02.55 | kaplanfx | CoffeeMan: C++ *IS* compatible with python |
| 01:02.58 | greycat | blah. someone fucked it. |
| 01:03.02 | npx | FieldySnuts: I like to play yahoo! pool with a ocuple of my friends |
| 01:03.02 | leikh | WiFiTux: ok, i'll try that :) |
| 01:03.03 | CoffeeMan | Oh |
| 01:03.08 | CoffeeMan | Sorry |
| 01:03.12 | kaplanfx | python is quite superior to java as well |
| 01:03.15 | greycat | dpkg, initrd =~ s/|| /or/ |
| 01:03.15 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 01:03.19 | FieldySnuts | kaplanfx: COBOL is |
| 01:03.31 | FieldySnuts | as is BASic |
| 01:03.33 | rares000 | this is superior ? |
| 01:03.34 | FieldySnuts | whoops caps |
| 01:03.35 | CoffeeMan | I'll shut up now, since you know EXACTLY what you're talking about |
| 01:03.36 | kaplanfx | FieldySnuts: haha, but that may be pushing it a little |
| 01:03.39 | greycat | !initrd |
| 01:03.39 | dpkg | it has been said that initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. ora great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. |
| 01:03.42 | FieldySnuts | *snort* |
| 01:03.44 | valdyn | npx: IDE Driver _and_ filesystem(s) required to access the modules |
| 01:03.44 | WiFiTux | leikh, TRY! |
| 01:03.47 | kaplanfx | CoffeeMan: do you program in java? |
| 01:03.54 | FieldySnuts | no, he scripts |
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| 01:04.03 | bonez41 | anyone? I have what i believe is a disc written by our designer....running on Mac....I have a cd burner..can I duplicate the disc.....without having a mac myself? just create a duplicate? |
| 01:04.03 | CoffeeMan | yes |
| 01:04.10 | FieldySnuts | #include <err/id10t.h> |
| 01:04.11 | kaplanfx | CoffeeMan: what other languages? |
| 01:04.12 | Supaplex | After reading the GPL with kernel 2.4.27 (see COPYING), I'm left with a few questions regarding lucent winmodem drivers. Lucent modified linux/drivers/char/serial.c and rereleased it (still GPL) with their (commerical/propritary license) driver code. |
| 01:04.16 | Supaplex | Are they required to make their driver GPL as well? (post section 2.c may apply, but so may the very last paragraph in COPYING) |
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| 01:04.19 | CoffeeMan | perl, a little bit |
| 01:04.25 | CoffeeMan | just on the side |
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| 01:04.47 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: if it's a derivative work, yes. |
| 01:04.54 | citral | dpkg: get-blackdown =~ s/mirrors.html/java-linux-http.html/ |
| 01:04.54 | dpkg | OK, citral |
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| 01:04.57 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: good luck trying to force them to release it, though. |
| 01:04.58 | WiFiTux | Supaplex, do you run Linux in your bussines? Work? |
| 01:05.13 | CoffeeMan | I use Java 1.4 |
| 01:05.24 | FieldySnuts | why? |
| 01:05.28 | FieldySnuts | brb farting |
| 01:05.35 | afcpack | dondelelcaro: time to compile a new kernel... thx :) |
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| 01:05.38 | npx | Actually, http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java-linux-d2.html is the proper URL |
| 01:05.44 | kaplanfx | I have at least tried C, C++, java, perl, php, python, eiffel, pascal, asm(8 and 16 bit, not 32), basic, VB, and some others, and java is one of the least enjoyable or useable |
| 01:05.54 | Supaplex | apparently, it's not a derivative work. I was wondering if their driver using serial.c had any bearing on it. |
| 01:06.04 | valdyn | Supaplex: thats rather complicated an issue, no one knows before there was a court decision ) |
| 01:06.05 | kaplanfx | swing has to be the worst gui I have ever used |
| 01:06.14 | kaplanfx | or programmed in for that matter |
| 01:06.18 | FieldySnuts | kaplanfx: even compared to kde? |
| 01:06.30 | kaplanfx | FieldySnuts: I've never actually programmed QT so I won't say |
| 01:06.42 | CoffeeMan | I never had any luck with C++ |
| 01:06.43 | Supaplex | WiFiTux: yea, why? |
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| 01:06.49 | FieldySnuts | CoffeeMan: user error |
| 01:06.54 | npx | I <3 Qt |
| 01:06.58 | CoffeeMan | What? |
| 01:07.06 | FieldySnuts | ^ |
| 01:07.18 | kaplanfx | CoffeeMan: hmm java is just C++ but main is an object (JUST KIDDING!!!) |
| 01:07.20 | EL_Oberon | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.21 | valdyn | Supaplex: theres a lengthy discussion on lkml about just that btw |
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| 01:07.33 | bonez41 | can one duplicate a mac written disc....on a linux system? just read from it and write to new disc/ or have to happen on a mac? |
| 01:07.33 | WiFiTux | Supaplex, fine then. I haven't read the GPL or any of that crap as I don't really care. If I has a biz with this, I would read. |
| 01:07.37 | megatronx | well i read the readme file and nothing for debian. fucking red-fag. red-fag is not important. |
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| 01:07.44 | CoffeeMan | DONT PLAY WITH MY EMOTIONS |
| 01:07.53 | kaplanfx | CoffeeMan: stop yelling |
| 01:07.55 | WiFiTux | CoffeeMan, yelling huh? |
| 01:07.58 | FieldySnuts | no doubt |
| 01:08.12 | CoffeeMan | sorry |
| 01:08.15 | kaplanfx | thats ok |
| 01:08.15 | Supaplex | valdyn: probly something I should sub to :) |
| 01:08.15 | WiFiTux | !fuck FieldySnuts |
| 01:08.18 | FieldySnuts | ;/ |
| 01:08.23 | kronika | hi, last night i was viewing a webpage and kde crashed. Is there a way to shut down KDE and get back to the shell simillar to ctrl+alt+del? |
| 01:08.28 | FieldySnuts | why quickly, another one minute man huh |
| 01:08.30 | kaplanfx | we've been antagonizing you plenty, I think I'll stop now |
| 01:08.32 | npx | omg, cricket, in room, hiding, must...destroy |
| 01:08.36 | WiFiTux | ? |
| 01:08.41 | WiFiTux | hell no |
| 01:08.41 | Supaplex | kronika: c+a+backspace |
| 01:08.44 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 01:08.47 | FieldySnuts | hehe! |
| 01:08.53 | npx | kronika: crtl+alt+backspace |
| 01:08.56 | FieldySnuts | he ran away |
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| 01:09.18 | leikh | WiFiTux: i've done apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-686 and lilo -v, but nothing has been added in my lilo.conf :/ |
| 01:09.19 | npx | kronika, you could also do crtl+alt+F[1:6] |
| 01:09.23 | Supaplex | lol, I wonder if his X based irc proggie went with it. |
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| 01:09.33 | FieldySnuts | leikh: he's not here |
| 01:09.34 | kronika | =) |
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| 01:09.50 | kronika | i tried pressing all types of ctrl+alt combinations... |
| 01:09.51 | FieldySnuts | that one minute man thing seemed to cheese him off hehe |
| 01:09.58 | leikh | Greycat: i've done apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-686 and lilo -v, but nothing has been added in my lilo.conf :/ |
| 01:09.59 | citral | !lart irc Guis |
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| 01:10.09 | kronika | i even tried to telnet in from another pc and the telnet wasnt working properly |
| 01:10.15 | npx | kronika: What version of KDE are you using? 3.3 hasn't given me any trouble (since I brought my loopback device back up! lol) |
| 01:10.20 | FieldySnuts | uh telnetd usually is not running, and should not |
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| 01:10.36 | FieldySnuts | heh, lo down is bad |
| 01:11.01 | greycat | leikh: why *not*? Why didn't you add what it told you to add? |
| 01:11.11 | kaplanfx | kronika: try ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 01:11.12 | kronika | how do i check the version? i should think its the latest, i just installed it the other day |
| 01:11.12 | FieldySnuts | he knows better |
| 01:11.12 | npx | Yah I did ifdown -a then ifup ppp0 |
| 01:11.12 | npx | and forgot lo went down, then was like "WHY WON'T KDE RUN?!?!" |
| 01:11.24 | FieldySnuts | why did lo going down during that |
| 01:11.31 | FieldySnuts | good we got rid of Java-boy too |
| 01:11.31 | kaplanfx | kronika: that will give you a shell, and you can kill -9 any missbehaving processes |
| 01:11.38 | kronika | ctrl+alt+f1 didnt work |
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| 01:11.59 | kronika | neither f1-f6 |
| 01:11.59 | kaplanfx | kronika: maybe your keyboard input got fuxored |
| 01:12.07 | afcpack | yay... we win :) |
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| 01:12.12 | kronika | yes i think that was the case |
| 01:12.15 | FieldySnuts | if you have sysreq enabled (if you don't know what I just said, you don't), do sysreq sync, remount, boot (s, u, b) |
| 01:12.15 | kronika | the mouse was working fine tho |
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| 01:12.17 | citral | fuX0red yes |
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| 01:12.33 | kaplanfx | kronika: I don't think a kernel has ever actually frozen for me, except at boot after I built it improperly |
| 01:12.36 | FieldySnuts | with a keyboard attached to that system NOT shelled in |
| 01:12.36 | leikh | greycat: the 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image=/vmlinuz ? |
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| 01:12.56 | kronika | it wasnt frozen, just the kde menu stopped working |
| 01:13.00 | kronika | and i couldnt get to a shell |
| 01:13.10 | kaplanfx | kronika: and you couldn't type? |
| 01:13.14 | FieldySnuts | weird |
| 01:13.15 | kronika | yeah |
| 01:13.17 | FieldySnuts | ati drivers? |
| 01:13.17 | kaplanfx | could you do anything with the keyboard? |
| 01:13.20 | kronika | couldnt type |
| 01:13.22 | kronika | nope |
| 01:13.26 | FieldySnuts | ati drivers have some major issues dropping to console |
| 01:13.26 | FieldySnuts | ok |
| 01:13.34 | kaplanfx | dude xkbd probably borked or something |
| 01:13.36 | kronika | no lights changed when i pressed num lock etc.. |
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| 01:13.38 | citral | that's true. |
| 01:13.42 | FieldySnuts | brb got to pee |
| 01:13.54 | citral | FieldySnuts: glad to know. |
| 01:13.55 | kaplanfx | I much prefer nvidia with linux |
| 01:13.57 | Supaplex | FieldySnuts: tmi, nobody cares |
| 01:14.02 | FieldySnuts | ;( |
| 01:14.03 | FieldySnuts | brb |
| 01:14.10 | WiFiTux | Supaplex, tmi? |
| 01:14.11 | megatronx | 10hrs. in the black screen and still nothing. |
| 01:14.17 | Supaplex | WiFiTux: too much information |
| 01:14.23 | kaplanfx | even if the drivers are closed source, they seem to work good 98 percent of the time |
| 01:14.24 | WiFiTux | Supaplex, ;? |
| 01:14.27 | megatronx | >-( |
| 01:14.28 | WiFiTux | hehe |
| 01:14.31 | npx | kaplanfx: You use nvclock? that app rocks |
| 01:14.38 | kaplanfx | and they are actively developed |
| 01:14.45 | kaplanfx | npx: is that for overclocking? |
| 01:14.54 | leikh | ok. i'll be back. |
| 01:15.03 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 01:15.03 | citral | megatronx: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 01:15.05 | kronika | k, now thats sorted... can someone recommed a gui editor for java? |
| 01:15.07 | npx | kaplanfx: or underclocking |
| 01:15.09 | kaplanfx | npx: I just finally turned on acceleration for the RENDER extension in X, all seems to be fine |
| 01:15.10 | WiFiTux | s/laptop/card |
| 01:15.23 | kaplanfx | npx: nah I don't overclock anything, not since the "incident" |
| 01:15.34 | npx | kaplanfx: How did you do that? |
| 01:15.39 | green-earz | megatronx: have you had xserver up and runing on that install ? |
| 01:16.03 | kaplanfx | npx: read the nvidia readme, there are all kinds of options |
| 01:16.15 | WiFiTux | citral, I overclocked my P4 3.6 to 3.8 :) |
| 01:16.21 | megatronx | all i did was boot up ver. 3.0 r2 and installed from http. |
| 01:16.21 | citral | wohaaaaa |
| 01:16.25 | kaplanfx | npx: there is a crappy message board that you can find info on sometimes linked from the nvidia linux drivers page |
| 01:16.27 | citral | WiFiTux: rubbish |
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| 01:16.33 | npx | kaplanfx: *nod* thanks, it's been a minute since I read it |
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| 01:17.24 | sjtu | any use docarc in debian? |
| 01:17.36 | afcpack | !anyone use |
| 01:17.37 | dpkg | No, no-one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:17.39 | megatronx | can you send me the link again for nvidia how-to? |
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| 01:17.50 | citral | !nvidia-howto |
| 01:17.50 | dpkg | methinks nvidia-howto is See http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for simple instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers on Debian "The Debian Way". |
| 01:17.50 | WiFiTux | !beer dpkg |
| 01:18.05 | green-earz | megatronx: have used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 01:18.05 | kaplanfx | npx: fyi, add; Option "RenderAccel" "true" to the "Device" section of XF86Config-4 |
| 01:18.13 | afcpack | mmm... guinness :) |
| 01:18.22 | megatronx | under root or su? no |
| 01:18.22 | inner | uhmm, maybe I do need some help after all.. I have a PS/2 mouse Genius Optical, when I give it /dev/psaux it wiggels around like it's crazy, any other setting and I get dead pointer, any ideas ? |
| 01:18.26 | bonez41 | is there any way to read data from a cd created on a mac, on a linux box? |
| 01:18.42 | kaplanfx | bonez41: what filesystem does it use? |
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| 01:19.01 | kaplanfx | bonez41: if its iso9660 (I think thats standard) it should work fine. |
| 01:19.02 | dondelelcaro | bonez41: yes. |
| 01:19.04 | jp- | inner: try using a different protocol, if i use ps2 instead of imps2 for my mouse i get similar behavior, but i'm not mouse expert so good luck. :p |
| 01:19.07 | green-earz | megatronx: as root and do you know what the monitor refresh rates are ? |
| 01:19.08 | npx | kaplanfx: *nod* me neither =D |
| 01:19.11 | satHan | bonez41: you should be able to stick it in and mount it, as long as your /etc/fstab is set to "auto" |
| 01:19.16 | dondelelcaro | bonez41: hfs, iso9660, etc. all work fine. |
| 01:19.23 | citral | kaplanfx: you need to load hfs |
| 01:19.26 | inner | jp- : thanks I look into it |
| 01:19.34 | bonez41 | kaplanfx: all I know is..I put the disc in...and try to mount it and it never responds..I have to kill the terminal....it won't mount... |
| 01:19.37 | kronika | inner: it took me a while to get my mouse working too |
| 01:19.44 | megatronx | uh....no. i just pick medium and pick the size of screen. |
| 01:19.52 | bonez41 | satHan: my fstab is set to auto... |
| 01:20.03 | kaplanfx | bonez41: what does your fstab line for /dev/cdrom look like? |
| 01:20.16 | bonez41 | satHan: wait...no, it's set to iso9660 |
| 01:20.20 | kaplanfx | hmm listen to dondelelcaro he's usually damn smart |
| 01:20.36 | afcpack | !worship dondelelcaro |
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| 01:20.44 | citral | bonez41: there's hfsplus in kernel 2.6 too |
| 01:21.03 | bonez41 | /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,users,noauto 0 0 |
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| 01:21.11 | kaplanfx | bonez41: you may want to set the mount type to auto and comile some hfs goodness into your kernel |
| 01:21.22 | inner | kronika : what device did you use ? |
| 01:21.32 | bonez41 | kaplanfx: so changing it to auto will make it work better? |
| 01:21.38 | kronika | psaux |
| 01:21.41 | kronika | i think |
| 01:21.45 | green-earz | megatronx: so if you can find out what they are because you will need them for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:21.46 | inner | ta |
| 01:21.48 | kronika | yup |
| 01:21.58 | citral | bonez41: you can modprobe hfs and change iso9660 to hfs too. |
| 01:21.59 | megatronx | i just did the dpkg-reconfigure and it is asking me if i want to Manage XFree86 4.x server configuration file with debconf |
| 01:22.01 | kaplanfx | bonez41: it will allow it to load the correct filesystem if its build into your kernel or built as a module (at least in theory it should) |
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| 01:22.10 | Regency | somebody know howto probe iso images are correctly? |
| 01:22.13 | megatronx | should i say yes or no? |
| 01:22.34 | jp- | Regency: what do you mean, i don't understand what you're asking :) |
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| 01:22.36 | nullguy | howdy |
| 01:22.58 | kaplanfx | bonez41: if it is hfs (which it just may be) the linux kernel can certainly handle it if its built with the correct fs support |
| 01:23.03 | green-earz | megatronx: hmm ? |
| 01:23.06 | Regency | jp: I download the iso files but...if this are wrong? |
| 01:23.10 | nullguy | I want too install debian, and I've got quite a bit experience with linux, none the less. I just need to know which branch I should grab? |
| 01:23.19 | kaplanfx | Regency: probe? |
| 01:23.19 | satHan | nullguy: grab the sarge rc1 installer |
| 01:23.21 | bonez41 | kaplanfx: even if the disc was created on mac machine..instead of windows or linux...right? |
| 01:23.27 | citral | Regency: you can check the md5-sum |
| 01:23.32 | Regency | kaplanfx: Yes |
| 01:23.33 | jp- | Regency: if they offer md5sum files, use md5sum to verify they are correct |
| 01:23.37 | shinguz | nullguy: woody |
| 01:23.38 | megatronx | Manage XFree86 4.x server configuration file with debconf? yes or no? |
| 01:23.44 | nullguy | hehe, which? |
| 01:23.46 | megatronx | that is the question. |
| 01:23.47 | nullguy | woody, or sarge? |
| 01:23.49 | greycat | !breastfeed megatronx |
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| 01:23.57 | megatronx | it is asking me |
| 01:24.03 | greycat | so ANSWER it. |
| 01:24.05 | kaplanfx | bonez41: the machine is not important, its the file system, but yes in theory is possible |
| 01:24.08 | megatronx | yummy. |
| 01:24.12 | Regency | jp: Some manual for do this?? |
| 01:24.21 | satHan | nullguy: sarge |
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| 01:24.25 | megatronx | !yummy |
| 01:24.28 | jp- | Regency: md5sum(1) |
| 01:24.41 | WiFiTux | What command can I run to get most of the DHCP info I got? |
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| 01:24.46 | satHan | nullguy: the new sarge installer does auto-detection, and has reasonably current software |
| 01:24.47 | WiFiTux | Like gateway and stuff? |
| 01:24.48 | bonez41 | kaplanfx: thanks...I appreciate this.. |
| 01:24.51 | nullguy | satHan: hehe, you're saying sarge, and shinguz is saying woody. |
| 01:24.52 | kaplanfx | WiFiTux: ifconfig |
| 01:24.54 | Regency | jp: only this tool? I have a Win :( |
| 01:24.56 | kronika | can someone recommed a gui editor for java? |
| 01:24.57 | megatronx | you know this is my first time using debian. |
| 01:25.07 | citral | kronika: nedit, gedit, emacs |
| 01:25.09 | nullguy | satHan: I see, which iso should I grab for a p4, x86 system? |
| 01:25.09 | jp- | Regency: they have md5sum programs for windows too i'm sure |
| 01:25.13 | kaplanfx | bonez41: no prob, good luck. and hopefully you won't even have to build a new kernel |
| 01:25.14 | megatronx | i did read the docs and still no luck. |
| 01:25.19 | greycat | megatronx: then wouldn't you like it to manage the file for you? |
| 01:25.19 | jp- | Regency: just take a look around google |
| 01:25.20 | kaplanfx | bonez41: what kernel are you using? |
| 01:25.27 | WiFiTux | kaplanfx, I mean, the real info, WINS Server, gateway, and so on. |
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| 01:25.32 | Regency | ok thanks |
| 01:25.41 | leikh | greycat: even worse with new kernel; it get's to loading linux 22.2, then the screen goes blank, and the bios boots again... |
| 01:25.43 | Regency | jp-> thanks for your help? :) |
| 01:25.45 | kaplanfx | WiFiTux: I think ifconfig does that with a switch, read the manpage |
| 01:25.51 | jp- | Regency: no problem |
| 01:25.52 | satHan | nullguy: I like the netinst iso, but if you want to install on a network-less system get the standard one |
| 01:25.55 | WiFiTux | kaplanfx, k |
| 01:25.58 | green-earz | megatronx: bookmark this install howto > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 |
| 01:26.03 | greycat | leikh: you installed which kernel image? |
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| 01:26.11 | bonez41 | kaplanfx: 2.6.6 |
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| 01:26.20 | leikh | greycat: 2.4.18-686 |
| 01:26.20 | kronika | citral: does emacs do colour coding? |
| 01:26.22 | nullguy | satHan: well, no I will like to install on a networked system, and btw how long does it take to build the base system? |
| 01:26.25 | greycat | leikh: and you have... what CPU? |
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| 01:26.34 | Xenguy | kronika: sure |
| 01:26.34 | leikh | greycat: mmx |
| 01:26.35 | kaplanfx | bonez41: yeah, that kernel can certainly support hfs, did you build it yourself? |
| 01:26.40 | greycat | leikh: WHAT cpu? |
| 01:26.41 | megatronx | thanks |
| 01:26.42 | pinchloaf | hellooooooooooooooooooooo ppl |
| 01:26.44 | green-earz | megatronx: and you are installing woody ? |
| 01:26.45 | kronika | kool |
| 01:26.57 | bonez41 | kaplanfx: it's a disc with some graphics design stuff...we need another designer to work with the files..but don't want to give him the only copy we have....so I need to make a duplicate disc..yeah, I compiled it myself.. |
| 01:26.59 | leikh | greycat: pentium mmx 200 |
| 01:27.02 | megatronx | if that is the stable ver. of 3.0 r2 yes. |
| 01:27.07 | greycat | leikh: well there's your problem. |
| 01:27.13 | greycat | a pentium is not a 686. |
| 01:27.20 | kronika | how do i check which version of kde i'm running? |
| 01:27.24 | greycat | !dict pentagon |
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| 01:27.26 | dpkg | Dictionary 'pentagon' (4 shown): Pentagon \Pen"ta*gon\, n. [Gr. ?; ? (see Penta-) + gwni`a angle: cf. L. pentagonium, F. pentagone.] (Geom.) A plane figure having five angles, and, consequently, five sides; any figure having five angles. ;; the United States military establishment ;; a five-sided polygon ;; a government building with five sides that serves as the headquarters of the United States Department of Defense. |
| 01:27.26 | kronika | dselect? |
| 01:27.34 | greycat | leikh: how many sides does a pentagon have? |
| 01:27.37 | green-earz | megatronx: and you are just getting to know debian ? |
| 01:27.50 | megatronx | first time. |
| 01:28.01 | megatronx | i've been dying to use debian. |
| 01:28.02 | nullguy | satHan: what's the difference between sarge & woody? |
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| 01:28.08 | megatronx | i had so much trouble with suse. |
| 01:28.11 | leikh | that's why i tried to install 2.4.16 last time, but som smart ass here said it didn't matter :/ |
| 01:28.17 | _frank | frank@picasso:~$ ls|mail frank@mlug.no |
| 01:28.17 | _frank | frank@picasso:~$ send-mail: 553 5.1.8 <frank@picasso>... Domain of sender address frank@picasso does not exist |
| 01:28.19 | _frank | this is with sssmtp |
| 01:28.23 | satHan | nullguy: woody was the last stable release, came out a year and a bit ago |
| 01:28.24 | _frank | whats wrong? |
| 01:28.27 | megatronx | installing things was a pain and i got sick of rpm's. |
| 01:28.29 | green-earz | megatronx: are you on a dsl line ? or dialup |
| 01:28.30 | greycat | leikh: it's not the 16 vs. 18 that caused your problem. |
| 01:28.31 | satHan | nullguy: so it has older software |
| 01:28.32 | wiler | anyone know of a good dvd to mp3 converter? |
| 01:28.33 | greycat | it's the 686 vs 586. |
| 01:28.36 | megatronx | dsl. |
| 01:28.41 | greycat | leikh: PENTium. |
| 01:28.42 | satHan | nullguy: sarge is almost the new stable, the packages have been frozen |
| 01:28.45 | greycat | PENT means FIVE. |
| 01:28.48 | greycat | FIVE eighty-six. |
| 01:28.53 | leikh | greycat: 2.4.18 doesn't come in 585 |
| 01:29.04 | jp- | wiler: mplayer |
| 01:29.08 | nullguy | satHan: hmm, if I grab woody, I'll have to explicitly update the whole system? |
| 01:29.13 | kaplanfx | bonez41: ok good, you know enough to compile hfs in already :) the option is under filesystems -> miscellaneous filesystems in the kernel config, you want apple hfs I would think |
| 01:29.16 | greycat | !info kernel-image-2.4.18-586tsc woody |
| 01:29.18 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.18-586tsc: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4.18 on Pentium-Classic.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.18-5 (woody), Packaged size: 8497 kB, Installed size: 23288 kB |
| 01:29.20 | jp- | wiler: with mplayer you can specify a file for the output stream for video or audio |
| 01:29.21 | Klowner_ | anyone have a clue why this box isn't allowing xterms to actually open a bash prompt? I just upgraded kernels |
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| 01:29.30 | greycat | leikh: any more stupid comments? |
| 01:29.30 | green-earz | megatronx: perfect you can install debian sarge by a net installer cd |
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| 01:29.48 | megatronx | i did a net installer earlier and it was corrupted. |
| 01:29.49 | leikh | greycat: tsc? |
| 01:29.53 | jp- | wiler: if you do audio, it will be wav, iirc, but you can encode it afterwards with lame |
| 01:29.59 | megatronx | i wasted 3 cds for nothing. |
| 01:30.01 | kaplanfx | bonez41: but I'm suprised the cd would be that format, most use iso9660 or joilet (although joilet is and MS thingy) |
| 01:30.03 | bonez41 | kaplanfx: if I did NOT compile that in though, wtih this kernel.....I can still duplicate this? |
| 01:30.08 | green-earz | megatronx: you would be better off start on debian sarge it think |
| 01:30.13 | wiler | thanks |
| 01:30.24 | megatronx | hey if it will work then i'll do it. |
| 01:30.35 | nullguy | satHan: can you point me to the sarge rc1 install iso? |
| 01:30.35 | wiler | thats not a rip though is it? |
| 01:30.36 | megatronx | i want debian on my laptop and pc. |
| 01:30.42 | greycat | !d-i |
| 01:30.42 | nullguy | satHan: for a p4 x86 system. |
| 01:30.42 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 01:30.48 | WiFiTux | megatronx, great! |
| 01:31.00 | megatronx | i'm tired of suse |
| 01:31.04 | leikh | greycat: so how do i get rid of my 686-kernel? |
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| 01:31.12 | shinguz | bonez41: if the only purpose for mounting the cd is to make a copy of it, why not just dd it and burn the resulting image. should work |
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| 01:31.24 | kaplanfx | bonez41: just use your old config, add that driver to the config section, and rebuild the kernel. Or make is a module and run make modules && make modules install then modprobe hfs_fs |
| 01:31.25 | greycat | leikh: boot the old one. remove the 686 one. install the 586 one. |
| 01:31.35 | megatronx | such a pain suse gets. |
| 01:31.38 | leikh | greycat: just apt-get remove? |
| 01:32.05 | kaplanfx | is = as |
| 01:32.05 | bonez41 | shinguz: ok, tell me how......all I want to do is purely duplicate the disc..that's it...read image to hdd and then write back to new blank disc |
| 01:32.20 | megatronx | ok now it's asking me about the video card's bus identifier. how can i find that? |
| 01:32.24 | nullguy | greycat: if i want to install debian sarge rc1 on a p4 x86 system, I will need sarge-i386-netint-iso? |
| 01:32.31 | green-earz | megatronx: can you burn a .iso ok if so download the net install from http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
| 01:32.41 | kaplanfx | shinguz: you can dd an unmounted image? |
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| 01:32.45 | shinguz | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/address/to/foobar.iso |
| 01:32.56 | shinguz | of course you can kaplanfx |
| 01:33.07 | kaplanfx | ah nice, you learn something new everyday |
| 01:33.07 | green-earz | megatronx: its only 110 meg .iso |
| 01:33.11 | megatronx | yeah, but 3 came corrupted earlier. |
| 01:33.16 | greycat | yes, a pentium IV is an i386. |
| 01:33.17 | kaplanfx | dd is for bit for bit copying correct? |
| 01:33.27 | greycat | kaplanfx: byte for byte |
| 01:33.31 | nullguy | greycat: so that is the correct image? |
| 01:33.33 | Noid | megatronx: if you're configuring X, probably by hitting enter, unless you have strange hardware |
| 01:33.45 | cafuego | megatronx: You can read on and see that you cna just hit return when it asks for a bus identifier. |
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| 01:34.00 | kaplanfx | bonez41: what shinguz said is probably a good idea to try before messing with the kernel, you can just burn the resulting iso to a disk |
| 01:34.05 | shinguz | bonez41: then just burn the result with whatever tool you use to burn isos |
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| 01:34.20 | satHan | nullguy: for a p4, get the sarge rc1 netinst disk |
| 01:34.25 | megatronx | what about the amount of memory in kb to be used by your video card? |
| 01:34.35 | cafuego | megatronx: Also just hit return. |
| 01:34.35 | kaplanfx | greycat: thanks, I think that is what I meant :) |
| 01:34.38 | satHan | nullguy: found http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ there |
| 01:34.39 | citral | megatronx: let it blank |
| 01:34.54 | megatronx | kernel framebuffer is no then. |
| 01:34.58 | shinguz | from what i have tested so far, dd works on anything and doesnt care ane bit about what is actually on the disk |
| 01:34.58 | kaplanfx | mmm new debian installer rock |
| 01:35.00 | kaplanfx | s |
| 01:35.09 | cafuego | megatronx: Generally "no" |
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| 01:35.21 | nullguy | satHan: sarge-i386-netinst.iso right? |
| 01:35.24 | green-earz | kaplanfx: the net installer |
| 01:35.29 | satHan | nullguy: yep, thats the one |
| 01:35.30 | citral | megatronx: did you read the howto instead of calling the #debian hotline ? |
| 01:35.38 | cafuego | shinguz: 'dd' wasn't happy with my unencrypted video dvd earlier this week. |
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| 01:35.43 | megatronx | how-to docs? yes. |
| 01:35.49 | megatronx | no luck. |
| 01:35.52 | kaplanfx | green-earz: the installer in general it *looks* like the old debian installer, it just works a billion times better |
| 01:36.02 | megatronx | maybe it's because it does not like me. |
| 01:36.05 | nullguy | satHan: that iso is only 114.8mb is that right? |
| 01:36.07 | megatronx | :-( |
| 01:36.08 | shinguz | cafuego: i havent tried unencrypted dvd's (yet :) |
| 01:36.11 | green-earz | kaplanfx: same here |
| 01:36.13 | kaplanfx | its the easiest linux install I know of, I got a sarge web server going in 20mins with a net install |
| 01:36.17 | satHan | satHan: yeah, you'll have to download any software that you want to use |
| 01:36.23 | satHan | err, that one for you nullguy |
| 01:36.29 | kaplanfx | also, sarge has turned me on to grub |
| 01:36.31 | WiFiTux | peace out |
| 01:36.36 | nullguy | satHan: ok |
| 01:36.37 | kaplanfx | I'm going to convert this system over tomorrow |
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| 01:36.55 | satHan | kaplanfx: i liked the woody installer in it's day, lots of options to get everything completely correct |
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| 01:37.14 | kaplanfx | satHan: yeah it was great, but the new installer is better |
| 01:37.20 | green-earz | kaplanfx: did you start the install for a 2.6 with linux26 |
| 01:37.37 | kaplanfx | green-earz: I have on one machine, and 2.4 on the other |
| 01:37.37 | satHan | kaplanfx: yep. only thing i've grumbled about is the fact that they have ext2 as a module by default |
| 01:37.42 | green-earz | kaplanfx: sorry 2.6 kernel |
| 01:37.46 | nullguy | satHan: heh, btw.. does the debian install have documentation in the environment I can read as I go along? |
| 01:37.51 | satHan | kaplanfx: so that when you copy the .config to a new kernel, it gives you loads of problems |
| 01:37.55 | nullguy | i don't have a printer, and i will be installing it on this system |
| 01:37.58 | nullguy | which is my only one. |
| 01:38.08 | kaplanfx | satHan: yeah, I've been using rieserFS, but all the debian gurus are telling me its not a good idea |
| 01:38.09 | satHan | nullguy: it will probably not ask you for any input other than the hostname |
| 01:38.13 | cafuego | satHan: You cna still do that in the sarge installer by booting 'expert' or 'expert26' |
| 01:38.20 | kaplanfx | this machine is rieser, I haven't had a problem |
| 01:38.37 | satHan | i used to use ext3, but i found a "groundhog day" bug |
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| 01:38.44 | satHan | the machine wouldnt apply it's journal, *ever* |
| 01:38.49 | satHan | so I could rm -rf / |
| 01:38.54 | satHan | and then hit the power |
| 01:38.57 | satHan | and everything would be back |
| 01:38.58 | nullguy | satHan: ahh, nice. |
| 01:39.00 | kaplanfx | whoa |
| 01:39.06 | satHan | it was cool |
| 01:39.07 | nullguy | satHan: how long will it take to build the base system? |
| 01:39.08 | kaplanfx | sounds twilight zone creepy |
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| 01:39.20 | satHan | nullguy: build? as in compile? |
| 01:39.22 | kaplanfx | satHan: you could scare a *nix guru doing that |
| 01:39.37 | satHan | kaplanfx: I freaked out some people |
| 01:39.42 | nullguy | satHan: well I mean complete the whole install with the base packages, and Xorg |
| 01:39.42 | kaplanfx | it would freak me out |
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| 01:39.59 | satHan | kaplanfx: I got into X in about 20 minutes, and that included downloading the packages |
| 01:40.05 | kaplanfx | anyone using Reiser4 yet? atomic fs changes sound like a decent idea in theory |
| 01:40.10 | cafuego | nullguy: Debian has no x.org |
| 01:40.17 | nullguy | xorg |
| 01:40.22 | nullguy | debian still uses Xfree? |
| 01:40.36 | satHan | nullguy: yeah, xfree86 is what you'll be on |
| 01:40.36 | shinguz | as a matter of fact, such rm -rf protection might come in ahndy once in a while when the system belongs to a complete n00b |
| 01:40.36 | cafuego | !tell nullguy -about xorg |
| 01:40.41 | kaplanfx | satHan: same here, fast, I actually had apache mod_php5 and mysql all running on the sys with x and xfce all setup in about half an hour |