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`00:00.27`	`toresbe`	`The SERVER for 80-100 workstations are on the other end of that line.`
`00:00.38`	`directhex`	`TuxMeister, why have you _JUST_ compiled an exploitable kernel?`
`00:00.38`	`kenboo`	`b00 i guess you're talking about a character from anime or smthin. i don't watch animes ..`
`00:01.09`	`Nemesis^`	`directhex: perhaps this new X will finally have DRI support for Mach64's..`
`00:01.09`	`toresbe`	`The workstations are VASTLY overspecced.`
`00:01.09`	`toresbe`	`ALL the monitors are 60hz, and you can't change it.`
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`00:01.38`	`b00`	`kenboo: yes, sorry ! bad presumption`
`00:01.38`	`directhex`	`toresbe, remember, a xeon 733 with server 2k3 is cheaper than a z-series mainframe with linux.`
`00:01.38`	`toresbe`	`NOTHING worked the first YEAR, half of everything didn't work the next.`
`00:01.44`	`scarynetworkguy`	`stupid hurricane making me go into work whines`
`00:01.44`	`Nemesis^`	`directhex: and more likely to work out of the box ;)`
`00:01.44`	`yalu`	`bofh at work, clearly`
`00:01.58`	`scarynetworkguy`	`toresbe: you're just jealous :P`
`00:02.00`	`toresbe`	`directhex: That's not what the IBM guys told me and now I'm here with this dang thing and I don't have the three-phase to run it :\`
`00:02.05`	`BlackJudas`	`CD burning seems borked in 2.6.8, any one else run into this? And is my solution simply to downgrade to 2.6.7 or earlier? I can't seem to copy an audio cd. And... is there a link to other possible ways to copy an audio cd rather than using K3B?`
`00:02.18`	`toresbe`	`We installed WLAN through the ENTIRE school.`
`00:02.18`	`directhex`	`BlackJudas, run k3b as root`
`00:02.33`	`FieldySnuts`	`wlan heh.`
`00:02.40`	`directhex`	`BlackJudas, and ensure kcontrol is installed, and that you've done "k3b setup"`
`00:02.57`	`toresbe`	`BUT! If you get caught with an antenna you get kicked out, because WLAN==HACKING!`
`00:03.10`	`Nemesis^`	`hahahaa`
`00:03.18`	`Nemesis^`	`oh thats gold`
`00:03.18`	`FieldySnuts`	`huh? toresbe i don't understand`
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`00:03.26`	`FieldySnuts`	`and how do you get on this network without an antenna?`
`00:03.27`	`scarynetworkguy`	`toresbe: you have to fucking be shitting me`
`00:03.37`	`Nemesis^`	`FieldySnuts: im guessing the wlan is for infrastructure, not students`
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`00:03.37`	`DemiGuru`	`toresbe: Will it be both up and down?`
`00:03.38`	`DemiGuru`	`toresbe: Sounds like a russian Goolag :-)`
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`00:03.38`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: They installed a 6000-quid WLAN network, but if they catch you with a WLAN card you get kicked out`
`00:03.40`	`DemiGuru`	`scarynetworkguy: What do you mean, I thought you were based in Oregon`
`00:03.53`	`toresbe`	`scarynetworkguy: I am not.`
`00:03.55`	`FieldySnuts`	`infrastructure definately shouldn't be wireless... all I have to do is come there with a transmitter and i just wiped out your "infrastructure"`
`00:04.05`	`FieldySnuts`	`toresbe: i don't understand... how is it used then`
`00:04.09`	`toresbe`	`Well, most of the infrastructure is wired.`
`00:04.17`	`FieldySnuts`	`that's good, but I still don't understand`
`00:04.21`	`BlackJudas`	`directhex, I have run it as root, I've run k3b setup though I haven't checked for kcontrol.`
`00:04.23`	`scarynetworkguy`	`DemiGuru: I am. We have a stupid fucking data center in Florida. I gotta go in and change the stupid phone switch so all their calls come here tomorrow morning.`
`00:04.24`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: It isn't!`
`00:04.35`	`BlackJudas`	`directhex, yep it's installed.`
`00:04.38`	`Nemesis^`	`FieldySnuts: sometimes it's not practical,or more expensive, to wire everywhere`
`00:04.49`	`scarynetworkguy`	`toresbe: well you know what the two most common elements in the universe are right?`
`00:04.56`	`FieldySnuts`	`Nemesis^: oh i know the ins and outs im an admin/engineer`
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`00:05.10`	`DemiGuru`	`scarynetworkguy: What kind of PBX are you using?`
`00:05.10`	`FieldySnuts`	`..`
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`00:05.10`	`toresbe`	`I got kicked out of the computer room for PINGING THE SERVER to see when the shit-unstable line would come back up.`
`00:05.11`	`toresbe`	`Command-line = hacking`
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`00:05.14`	`TuxMeister`	`please i need help, people`
`00:05.14`	`TuxMeister`	`directhex, what do you mean with exploitable?`
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`00:05.23`	`FieldySnuts`	`you mean cracking?`
`00:05.27`	`directhex`	`TuxMeister, i mean "has security holes, can be exploited"`
`00:05.35`	`DemiGuru`	`toresbe: Sounds to me like they have something to hide - no joke`
`00:05.37`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: Well, it's what they mean by saying hacking`
`00:05.38`	`directhex`	`FieldySnuts, in school, they're the same thing`
`00:05.42`	`maher`	`toresbe: too bad you can't ping the server unless you are in the computer room`
`00:05.42`	`Nemesis^`	`toresbe: "net send *" is your friend ;)`
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`00:05.50`	`TuxMeister`	`(i'm spanish so there are words that i don't understand)`
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`00:05.58`	`FieldySnuts`	`funny. a place for education thinks hacking means cracking. they're real educated.`
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`00:06.04`	`toresbe`	`Nemesis^: No, it's fucking not. I did it.`
`00:06.04`	`scarynetworkguy`	`DemiGuru: Nortel.`
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`00:06.11`	`FieldySnuts`	`i couldn't stand a head-in-the-sand attitude like that i'd be gone, either as an employee or a student`
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`00:06.13`	`FieldySnuts`	`wtf`
`00:06.14`	`goodwill`	`for example I have an partition image file I want to maps as a hd`
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`00:06.16`	`FieldySnuts`	`annoying ass quits`
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`00:06.27`	`FieldySnuts`	`bah`
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`00:06.29`	`directhex`	`b0rkage`
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`00:06.34`	`Nemesis^`	`it burns, it burns`
`00:06.40`	`DemiGuru`	`scarynetworkguy: I used to work for the company that actually developed it for Nortel`
`00:06.43`	`Eclipser_`	`..`
`00:06.44`	`toresbe`	`Nemesis^: The entire fucking education system, teachers, students, everything, all the machines got my message.`
`00:06.46`	`TuxMeister`	`directhex, so witch one do you recomend`
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`00:06.54`	`FieldySnuts`	`toresbe: what message`
`00:07.30`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: "Hello, how are you?"`
`00:07.30`	`scarynetworkguy`	`DemiGuru: coolness. I only know a little bit about it. This is simple and I just happen to be the guy on call.`
`00:07.30`	`directhex`	`TuxMeister, 2.6.8 i believe isn't affected by the same exploits. not sure about 2.6.7`
`00:07.30`	`Nemesis^`	`toresbe: hehe, i remember when i was back at school.. I put a batch file on the desktop labelled "Red Button - DO NOT CLICK", icon changed to a red circle`
`00:07.30`	`FieldySnuts`	`toresbe: smb?`
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`00:07.50`	`toresbe`	`MESSAGE FROM Tore S Bekkedal (tores1703)`
`00:07.51`	`BlackJudas`	`It says, checking source disk and just hangs there.`
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`00:07.51`	`Nemesis^`	`toresbe: it did Net Send * .. you'd be surprised how many people pressed it.`
`00:07.51`	`FieldySnuts`	`yeah, but smb?`
`00:07.51`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: Yeah, methinkso.`
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`00:07.51`	`goodwill`	`hmmm`
`00:07.52`	`Noid`	`TuxMeister: you can join #debian-es , it's in spanish`
`00:07.52`	`toresbe`	`Nemesis^: Haha :D`
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`00:08.17`	`DemiGuru`	`scarynetworkguy: So you're actually going there??`
`00:08.19`	`WiFiTux`	`Noid, chingado`
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`00:08.40`	`toresbe`	`I'm not done with the incompetence.`
`00:08.45`	`Noid`	`WiFiTux: sorry, but we don't use that word d-:`
`00:08.52`	`FieldySnuts`	`toresbe: heh i did something almost as stupid where I work now; my bosses computer name was machinea, president of the company's computer name was machineb (almost identical names), i meant to send my boss a smb message along the lines of "this is a f*cking test", he didn't get it..`
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`00:09.09`	`FieldySnuts`	`toresbe: so 3 minutes later the president of the company comes in and says "hey, is this a f*cking test???"`
`00:09.13`	`scarynetworkguy`	`DemiGuru: not to FL no. We already had AT&T redirect the lines. I just gotta go change the time on the PBX so that it thinks it's in FL tomorrow morning`
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`00:09.47`	`gx`	`a bit of advice: don't drink milk while watchin southpark`
`00:09.59`	`DemiGuru`	`scarynetworkguy: Got it! - should be painless`
`00:10.03`	`toresbe`	`They bought a 9000-quid DUAL-PROCESSOR server for every school in the city`
`00:10.06`	`Nemesis^`	`gx: it hurts when it goes up your nose, doesnt it`
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`00:10.13`	`gx`	`yeah :(`
`00:10.14`	`exobyte`	`clear`
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`00:10.21`	`exobyte`	`wrong window`
`00:10.25`	`aTypical`	`toresbe, what's a quid?`
`00:10.32`	`gx`	`queer user id`
`00:10.34`	`scarynetworkguy`	`DemiGuru: yeah 5 minutes worth of work. I just feel like bitching about it`
`00:10.35`	`FieldySnuts`	`LOL`
`00:10.36`	`gx`	`oh money`
`00:10.37`	`BlackJudas`	`Ahh seems 2.6.8 and up has problems with audio cd's and a hefty memory leak \o/`
`00:10.40`	`toresbe`	`aTypical: slang for UK pound`
`00:10.41`	`DemiGuru`	`scarynetworkguy: Did you notice that lately (more than usuall) there are quite a few hits on ssh servers`
`00:10.41`	`Nemesis^`	`aTypical: british money.`
`00:10.42`	`directhex`	`Nemesis^, not as much as proper british sweet-shop sherbert`
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`00:10.50`	`scarynetworkguy`	`DemiGuru: yuppers`
`00:10.51`	`toresbe`	`But then they changed their minds, and decided that it should all be centralized. so they bought ANOTHER SET OF SERVERS!`
`00:10.59`	`aTypical`	`toresbe, Nemesis^, ah, thank you.`
`00:11.13`	`BlackJudas`	`I wish they'd branch a 2.7 to test shizzy on.`
`00:11.13`	`FieldySnuts`	`god`
`00:11.13`	`DemiGuru`	`scarynetworkguy: Do you have a theory about that?`
`00:11.13`	`simtin`	`although definitely no process is listening to port 25, nmap shows that it is in state 'filtered' (only when running it extern; nmap localhost doesn't list port 25 anyways); is it possible that my ISP filteres port 25?`
`00:11.19`	`exobyte`	`Where can I tell apt to stop using a proxy ?`
`00:11.30`	`maher`	`BlackJudas: indeed`
`00:11.31`	`FieldySnuts`	`blackjudas there won't be a 2.7, they will test in 2.6, that's already been decided`
`00:11.49`	`toresbe`	`The so amazingly cool servers with tapes, RAID, SMP, etc, are sitting, not yet unwrapped in our school`
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`00:11.54`	`Nemesis^`	`FieldySnuts: test in 2.6 ??`
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`00:12.01`	`maher`	`FieldySnuts: great idea - who cares about stability anyway...`
`00:12.08`	`asg`	`directhex: snorting sherbert voids your warranty`
`00:12.09`	`goodwill`	`question: if I create a loopback device for let say a partition image file, is there anyway to make it appear under /proc/ide/hd$ as a hd?`
`00:12.10`	`scarynetworkguy`	`DemiGuru: I don't know it's pretty damned odd.`
`00:12.15`	`FieldySnuts`	`sounds like our place, i build them 5 dual opteron 248's and most of them aren't being used yet, even though I rushed extremely hard to have them built pronto`
`00:12.16`	`Nemesis^`	`FieldySnuts: isn't that .. bad ? i thought the whole reason for 2.5 2.3 2.1 etc was so you know "dont use this kernel its prolly not going to work"`
`00:12.16`	`asg`	`simtin: yes, in fact it is likely`
`00:12.17`	`FieldySnuts`	`jagoffs`
`00:12.19`	`directhex`	`asg, yeah it does. it also fizzes`
`00:12.25`	`asg`	`directhex: hmmmm`
`00:12.32`	`FieldySnuts`	`Nemesis^: you'd think so. but it's been decided.`
`00:12.34`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: But how will I then display my leetness by merely tapping "uname -a"?`
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`00:12.41`	`BlackJudas`	`FieldySnuts, Yeah I know. :( I just wish they would test new code in a seperate branch, I've never had so many problems with a kernel as I have with 2.6. First ACPI, ALSA, IDE... APIC implementation, NET drivers, now CD burning...`
`00:12.43`	`DemiGuru`	`scarynetworkguy: I have a feeling that it has something to do with spammers`
`00:12.48`	`Nemesis^`	`FieldySnuts: so how do we know which kernels work and which don't ..?`
`00:12.53`	`cott`	`q`
`00:12.57`	`DemiGuru`	`scarynetworkguy: Trying to hijack servers`
`00:12.59`	`FieldySnuts`	`Nemesis^: we don't yet. they haven't started testing anything`
`00:13.11`	`FieldySnuts`	`hopefully this will change`
`00:13.11`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: 2.4.x, and 2.6.x, respectively ;)`
`00:13.14`	`Nemesis^`	`FieldySnuts: hah, great.. i can see me sticking with 2.4 for even longer than i intended..`
`00:13.14`	`FieldySnuts`	`talk about massive confusion.`
`00:13.19`	`scarynetworkguy`	`DemiGuru: very well could be`
`00:13.23`	`goodwill`	`question: if I create a loopback device for let say a partition image file, is there anyway to make it appear under /proc/ide/hd$ as a hd?`
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`00:13.30`	`FieldySnuts`	`i use 2.6.7 on home and production machines, no issues that i've seen`
`00:13.50`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: I have MANY.`
`00:13.53`	`FieldySnuts`	`toresbe: go on, i'm interested`
`00:13.56`	`Nemesis^`	`goodwill: nope. why would you want to anyway?`
`00:13.58`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: Rebooted my SPARC machine a while back into 2.6`
`00:14.21`	`BlackJudas`	`FieldySnuts, you're lucky.`
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`00:14.21`	`DemiGuru`	`scarynetworkguy: About a month ago I contacted a company based in California and complained about one of their clients' servers - they checked and confirmed and it started just spewing stuff through port 25`
`00:14.21`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: My keyboard is in RAW MODE.`
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`00:14.27`	`simtin`	`asg, do I have any other possibilities of checking it and, and especially: to change it (I know there's little hope ..) ?`
`00:14.31`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: And I have to fuck around with console-data.`
`00:14.37`	`FieldySnuts`	blackjudascould be but i doubt it (grr please get rid of the other Blackjudas`)
`00:14.42`	`dan2`	`asg!`
`00:14.52`	`dan2`	`asg: I need a haskell guru, you know of one?`
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`00:15.05`	`FieldySnuts`	`damn these splits/rejoins are annoying`
`00:15.27`	`Nemesis^`	`dan2: CS assignment due? :P`
`00:15.27`	`directhex`	`i want a banana split`
`00:15.27`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: I fix that, and modprobe everything. Sound doesn`
`00:15.27`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: I fix that, and modprobe everything. Sound doesn't work.`
`00:15.46`	`dan2`	`Nemesis^: no, I need to figure out how to make a bounded Float type`
`00:15.46`	`asg`	`dan2: there are some one the p.d.n blog (can't remember their names though)`
`00:15.46`	`FieldySnuts`	`i don't know jack about sparc anyway, wouldn' tknow`
`00:15.46`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: And suddenly, network doesn't either, the hme is dropping things.`
`00:15.51`	`FieldySnuts`	`damn, i don't want to go to work tomorrow. maybe i'll walk in and quit.`
`00:15.57`	`FieldySnuts`	`toresbe: jeez.`
`00:16.01`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: Oh, and X segfaults.`
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`00:16.06`	`dan2`	`Nemesis^: otherwise I need to bound the output of acos`
`00:16.11`	`goodwill`	`Nemesis^: I was looking for an alternative to recompiling`
`00:16.11`	`asg`	`simtin: if you can't telnet to port 25 on your box from outside your network, they are likely blocking it.`
`00:16.17`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: but only when using XDMCP!`
`00:16.19`	`asg`	`simtin: I'll be happy to test connectivity for you if you /msg me your ip`
`00:16.22`	`patterson`	`well. you'll be out of bed and at work already`
`00:16.29`	`FieldySnuts`	`toresbe: that's definately weird`
`00:16.31`	`Nemesis^`	`goodwill: doubt it'll work, but you could try creating a symlink .... hehe`
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`00:17.16`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: But, I'm very much a bleeding-edge kinda guy.`
`00:17.23`	`FieldySnuts`	`toresbe: same`
`00:17.31`	`FieldySnuts`	`toresbe: gets me in trouble once in a while heh`
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`00:17.53`	`FieldySnuts`	`just can't play that game in a production environment`
`00:17.53`	`jcurious`	`I saw the Debian document on SPF/SenderID... I was wondering... is microsoft claiming a patent on SPF or just the stuff they put on top of SPF to make SenderID?`
`00:17.53`	`goodwill`	`Nemesis^: naw, that does not work`
`00:17.55`	`toresbe`	`FieldySnuts: But there are people with very good reasons not to be. I think we should fork as soon as possible...`
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`00:18.01`	`Nemesis^`	`ah, zmodem.. is there anything it can't do??`
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`00:18.05`	`dan2`	`asg: I wrote a FAST fibonacci number cruncher with none of the limitations of the C implementation`
`00:18.12`	`dan2`	`asg: written in Haskell`
`00:18.15`	`FieldySnuts`	`ok whoever, quit breaking servers, people trying to talk to me and it gets scrolled off`
`00:18.16`	`DrBlink12`	`i have an old gateway tower - trying to do startx but it gives me a 'no screens found' error - i think i picked the wrong drivers in xf86config - anyway to find out what videocard i have? i know its an intergrated card`
`00:18.23`	`jcurious`	`ie. is SPF nonfree`
`00:18.25`	`Seb`	any zsh gurus in here ? I'm trying to do: "local foo ; foo=( `command` ) ; echo ${f[3]}" in one line
`00:18.26`	`FieldySnuts`	`i know somebody just said something to me, please repeat`
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`00:18.29`	`Seb`	`DrBlink12: lspci`
`00:18.34`	`dan2`	`asg: its all partly due to Haskell's unbounded types, I can do greater than 42 in C easily`
`00:18.40`	`tcsetattr`	`Seb, that _is_ one line`
`00:18.43`	`dan2`	`asg: which is due to fixed memory ranges`
`00:18.43`	`DemiGuru`	`jcurious: I don't think sender-id and spf are the same thing`
`00:18.47`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: you know what I mean :)`
`00:18.47`	`asg`	`dan2: ah`
`00:18.51`	`toresbe`	`DrBlink12: lspci lists everyting in your PCI bus.`
`00:19.02`	`tcsetattr`	`no semicolons? that's a silly requirement`
`00:19.02`	`dan2`	`asg: I can get to 200000 no problem`
`00:19.08`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: i put it on one line to not get kickec`
`00:19.11`	`DrBlink12`	`seb i get Ati Technologies Inc Rage 128 RL`
`00:19.13`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: I'm looking for one command`
`00:19.24`	`DemiGuru`	`jcurious: It is my understanding that spf is dns based while sender-id is soemthing else`
`00:19.24`	`Seb`	`DrBlink12: then try ati, or maybe rage if that exists`
`00:19.25`	`toresbe`	`DrBlink12: Then your driver is ATI, methinks.`
`00:19.31`	`jcurious`	`demi: I thought SPF was just using dns txt entries.. and send id adds some xml crap`
`00:19.35`	`DrBlink12`	`thats what ive been trying`
`00:19.42`	`asg`	`dan2: have you tested numeric Python yet?`
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`00:19.50`	`dan2`	`asg: no I have't`
`00:19.52`	`toresbe`	`DrBlink12: I'll check that there isn't anything like "atirage" or anything`
`00:19.55`	`directhex`	`DrBlink12, check refresh rates`
`00:19.57`	`asg`	`dan2: might be worth a look`
`00:20.01`	`DemiGuru`	`jcurious: yes`
`00:20.02`	`dan2`	`asg: whats it do?`
`00:20.07`	`Seb`	tcsetattr: something like echo ${( `uname -a` )[3]} for instance, but that'd work :)
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`00:20.16`	`asg`	`dan2: allows you to use unlimited sized ints`
`00:20.22`	`tcsetattr`	`what's the reason you think a single command with no semicolons is better?`
`00:20.23`	`Nemesis^`	`DrBlink12: ATI Rage ~= ATI Mach64. It just uses the 'ati' driver`
`00:20.25`	`dan2`	`asg: like haskell ;0`
`00:20.28`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: do you even know zsh, or were you making a general smart-ass remark ?`
`00:20.32`	`dan2`	`asg: haskell is fun`
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`00:20.35`	`BlackJudas`	`FieldySnuts, There's a patch to fix the 2.6.8 memory leak, but I never apply such things to my kernel source since I use the deb pkgs as well as make-kpkg. But trust me, I know more aobut the 2.6.*'s internal than I'd like to.`
`00:20.36`	`DemiGuru`	`jcurious: But does it use dns too?`
`00:20.36`	`tcsetattr`	`Seb, uname has other options besides -a, to allow you to get what you want`
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`00:20.47`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: cause I'm curious, and would like to know if it's doable`
`00:20.57`	`asg`	`dan2: too many languages spoil the broth`
`00:20.59`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: I know that. It's just an example`
`00:21.03`	`DrBlink12`	`directhex: ill brb going to check the monitor's site for the specs`
`00:21.18`	`DemiGuru`	`jcurious: The thing that concerns me is actually the patents Microsoft applied for and the way it will affect Debian`
`00:21.20`	`jcurious`	`demi: don't know... I'm tring to figure out what sendid is`
`00:21.24`	`DrBlink12`	`Nemesis^: ive tried almost all the mach64 ones and still doesnt work`
`00:21.27`	`toresbe`	`BlackJudas: Is the mem leak bad?`
`00:21.35`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: so you don't know ?`
`00:21.41`	`exobyte`	`Where can I tell apt to stop using a proxy ?`
`00:21.46`	`Nemesis^`	`DrBlink12: what does /var/log/XFree86.log say?`
`00:21.50`	`toresbe`	`BlackJudas: Could it have any relation to sbus weirdness?`
`00:21.51`	`Seb`	`exobyte: unset http_proxy ?`
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`00:21.54`	`asg`	`DemiGuru: it won't affect Debian, Debian, like ASF, will not implement Sender-ID`
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`00:21.56`	`BlackJudas`	`toresbe, Yeah, unrecoverable, only a reboot clears it. It only happens with audio cd's.`
`00:21.58`	`tcsetattr`	`I don't think you can make anonymous arrays in zsh`
`00:22.00`	`Seb`	`exobyte: in bourne-like shells`
`00:22.09`	`DemiGuru`	`asg: I'm referring to SUDO`
`00:22.12`	`BlackJudas`	`toresbe, I doubt it.`
`00:22.13`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: ok, now that's of more help`
`00:22.13`	`toresbe`	`BlackJudas: Ah, then not a problem for me.`
`00:22.36`	`asg`	`DemiGuru: nor am I, you were talking about Sender-ID vs. SPF`
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`00:22.59`	`directhex`	`DemiGuru, they've patented going between hyperlinks with the keyboards, too. lyncx doesn;t count as prior art, since the uspto are half-wits`
`00:23.00`	`toresbe`	`BlackJudas: I'm having problems with pretty much everyhting. My Sun HME ethercard is dropping packages like hell, and my sound card doesn't work.`
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`00:23.04`	`exobyte`	`Seb: is that's where its set?`
`00:23.13`	`Seb`	`exobyte: yeah`
`00:23.18`	`DemiGuru`	`directhex: Why doesn't it?`
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`00:23.28`	`asg`	`toresbe: check that your nic is matching duplex with your switch / hub correctly`
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`00:23.45`	`exobyte`	`Seb: it looks like I either set it somewhere else`
`00:23.45`	`toresbe`	`asg: Yeah, it autonegs perfectly`
`00:23.54`	`directhex`	`DemiGuru, because the us patent office don't check forprior art, and nobody challenges microsoft's patent portfolio`
`00:24.21`	`asg`	`toresbe: okay`
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`00:24.21`	`Seb`	tcsetattr: echo ${${:-( `uname -a` )}[3]}
`00:24.21`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: thx for the term 'anonymous array', google took it from there`
`00:24.21`	`tcsetattr`	`Seb, similar results could be had with uname -a\|cut -d' ' -f3`
`00:24.22`	`dags`	`is it possible to get a prebuilt version of the thinkpad-modules-x.y from somewhere?`
`00:24.25`	`toresbe`	`BlackJudas: And it hardcrashes about once a day. Really freezes completely.`
`00:24.32`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: the point was to not use anything else than zsh`
`00:24.38`	`DemiGuru`	`directhex: Does it mean that Debian will have to drop sudo?`
`00:24.49`	`tcsetattr`	`oh that is interesting... zsh does have anonymous arrays?`
`00:24.49`	`jcurious`	`so, SPF is free, correct?`
`00:24.50`	`BlackJudas`	`toresbe, unfortunately I don't know much about sun hardware, but it sounds like something I've been running into with APIC and ACPI being gay with IRQ's in anything that's 2.6.3 and above. My gigabit cards all get errors with this kernel. Up to a point where the code locks and the only way to bring them back online is to rmmod and modprobe ifup eth0 etc... Kinda annoying if the only way I can access the machine is through ssh.`
`00:24.58`	`directhex`	`DemiGuru, it should drop keyboard input, for safety`
`00:24.58`	`DemiGuru`	`directhex: Since I don't think "Debian" will fight it by itself`
`00:24.59`	`maher`	`DemiGuru: don't be silly - the patent is totally invalid`
`00:25.04`	`BlackJudas`	`toresbe, yeah sounds quite familiar.`
`00:25.06`	`asg`	`DemiGuru: no, sudo existed long before M$'s ideas`
`00:25.34`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: looks like`
`00:25.34`	`DemiGuru`	`asg: As did lynx`
`00:25.34`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: http://www.zsh.org/mla/users/2000/msg00726.html`
`00:25.34`	`Hal9003`	`how do i extract a .deb package without installing it?`
`00:25.37`	`BlackJudas`	`Since 2.6 happened it's hurting my productivity.. :)`
`00:25.38`	`Hal9003`	`i need to get an original config file from it`
`00:25.38`	`BlackJudas`	`Almost nothing worked right.`
`00:25.41`	`Seb`	`Hal9003: apt-get source thePackage`
`00:25.49`	`abrotman`	`ar`
`00:25.51`	`toresbe`	`BlackJudas: Well, the X problem is the most annoying, as it`
`00:25.55`	`BlackJudas`	`It's slowly getting better, but the kernel feels very alpha to me still.`
`00:25.57`	`toresbe`	`is mainly a thin client`
`00:25.57`	`Seb`	`Hal9003: you need source lines in sources.list for that to work`
`00:25.58`	`Hal9003`	`Seb: and where does he put it?`
`00:26.03`	`Seb`	`Hal9003: ./`
`00:26.03`	`Hal9003`	`yes i have those lines`
`00:26.12`	`Hal9003`	`in /usr/src i guess`
`00:26.16`	`asg`	`DemiGuru: yes, it's all bullshit`
`00:26.20`	`toresbe`	`Fork, Linus, Fork!`
`00:26.24`	`Hal9003`	`never did apt-get source :)`
`00:26.25`	`Seb`	`Hal9003: in ./`
`00:26.28`	`Hal9003`	`ah`
`00:26.30`	`Hal9003`	`ok thanks`
`00:26.35`	`Xenarchy`	`Does anyone have the FireGL T2 mobility video card? I can't get the drivers to install. I used alien to make them into a deb, but still no go.`
`00:26.41`	`tcsetattr`	that's an interesting trick. ${${:-( `uname -a` )}[3]} is quite confusing :)
`00:26.41`	`asg`	`DemiGuru: the problem is only if they decide to go to court; will the lynx maintainers have $$ to defend their obvious position`
`00:26.42`	`jcurious`	`seems spamassasin utilises and thier dns has an spf record.. so I'm going to take that as an SPF is ok to use`
`00:26.47`	`BlackJudas`	`I'm copying an audio cd right now... I have 2 gigs of memory, originally started with 100mb's used... 1.8 gigs used now... \o/ YAY for swap!!`
`00:26.48`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: it is indeed`
`00:26.50`	`Seb`	`:)`
`00:26.52`	`directhex`	`Xenarchy, use flavio stanchina's page on doing it`
`00:26.55`	`asg`	`DemiGuru: maybe, maybe not; maybe the EFF will help, maybe not`
`00:27.03`	`directhex`	`Xenarchy, it has a lot of prebuilt debs, for ease`
`00:27.07`	`toresbe`	`BlackJudas: Holy crap...`
`00:27.27`	`Xenarchy`	`Do you have a link DirectHex?`
`00:27.42`	`toresbe`	`Anyone here know about buses?`
`00:27.43`	`directhex`	`!tell Xenarchy about ati drivers`
`00:28.18`	`asg`	`toresbe: they are always late and you can't smoke on them`
`00:28.18`	`DemiGuru`	`asg: that's what I'm trying to say it's not as if Debian as an organization will be able to pursue it through the court system which would mean that they will have to find a different solution`
`00:28.18`	`Seb`	`tcsetattr: so now I can replace my nth() { awk "{print \$${1}}" } function by something in pure zsh :)`
`00:28.18`	`jcurious`	`asg: it would not make sense for microsoft to go after lynx...`
`00:28.18`	`toresbe`	`And spare the jokes, I mean, like BUSES, as in, the kind that lets you transport data?`
`00:28.18`	`toresbe`	`I'm making a microcomputer`
`00:28.18`	`DemiGuru`	`DemiGuru: Maybe even drop it`
`00:28.18`	`maher`	`toresbe: you wait for one for hours then two come at once...`
`00:28.30`	`toresbe`	`maher: asg: ARGH! :)`
`00:28.32`	`BlackJudas`	`Problem with 2.6 is it's buginess... not many programs out there use the /sys fs as well as know about ide-cd it's quite frustrating because half the developers probably assume that no one would be crazy enough to run 2.6 (an assumption myself ;) )`
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`00:29.00`	`asg`	`DemiGuru: if it came to that, another solution would be found (though I doubt it will come to that)`
`00:29.35`	`asg`	`jcurious: I don't pretend to understand their motivations`
`00:29.35`	`BlackJudas`	`LOL \o/ 100% memory used... 5% swap used.`
`00:29.35`	`Seb`	`i'd be interested to know what % of the channel uses 2.6`
`00:29.35`	`Seb`	`i, for one, don't`
`00:29.35`	`toresbe`	`I'm building a 1970s style homebrew minimachine out of TTL logic`
`00:29.36`	`maher`	`DemiGuru: every commercial unix vendor will want to pursue it`
`00:29.37`	`jcurious`	`you don't go after a product that IS prior art and sue them for patent infringement`
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`00:29.37`	`toresbe`	`Anyone here who could help me?`
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`00:29.38`	`BlackJudas`	`I'll probably have to reboot shortly... wheee!`
`00:29.38`	`Seb`	`could apt hold numbers for such a poll ? :)`
`00:29.50`	`DemiGuru`	`maher: That's a good point`
`00:30.11`	`asg`	`Seb: /msg dpkg popcon`
`00:30.29`	`asg`	`Seb: about as useful these days as a Fox News poll but better than nothing`
`00:30.45`	`asg`	`BlackJudas: /msg dpkg free memory`
`00:31.01`	`asg`	`!tell sakroot about away`
`00:31.03`	`stew`	`sakroot: turn that off`
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`00:31.17`	`Seb`	`ah, that dear sakroot`
`00:31.36`	`njs`	`This laptop has both a wireless card and a standard ethernet card; I'm using ifplugd/waproamd so I don't have to deal with always configuring and deconfiguring the interfaces by hand. But the problem is that they tend to fight; I want a way to say that when I'm plugged into ethernet, use that device as the default route, and only fall back on the wireless if I'm not plugged in.`
`00:31.52`	`BlackJudas`	`asg, Yes, but when running into swap? Unlikely.`
`00:31.53`	`exobyte`	`what is the program the relaunches the install config util that configures apt`
`00:31.55`	`njs`	`But it doesn't seem like one can set "priorities" on routes, or anything like that... any ideas?`
`00:32.02`	`Seb`	`the one that prenteds for 20 minutes that he cannot install gcc 3.4, until he finally agrees to run gcc -v, and realizes he has it :>`
`00:32.09`	`maher`	`exobyte: apt-setup?`
`00:32.27`	`asg`	`BlackJudas: hmmm`
`00:32.37`	`Seb`	`njs: do env \| grep -i proxy`
`00:32.39`	`abrotman`	`netconf`
`00:32.41`	`exobyte`	`maher: I thought that was it, but it didn't reprompt me for a prxoy. I set a proxy, and I now I don;t need it`
`00:32.41`	`Seb`	`hrm`
`00:32.41`	`abrotman`	`i thnik`
`00:33.15`	`Seb`	`exobyye: do env \| grep -i proxy`
`00:33.15`	`Seb`	`njs: not for ya`
`00:33.15`	`asg`	`!beer abrotman`
`00:33.15`	`Seb`	`bah`
`00:33.15`	`Seb`	`bud lite`
`00:33.15`	`Seb`	`fucking a`
`00:33.15`	`maher`	`exobyte: look in /etc/apt/?`
`00:33.15`	`njs`	`BlackJudas: umm, likely. If a program is not doing anything, it'll get swapped out, even if there's plenty of RAM.`
`00:33.15`	`Seb`	`only americans deem that beer`
`00:33.20`	`njs`	`BlackJudas: which is good, because that RAM is better used for caches for the programs that _are_ running`
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`00:33.31`	`exobyte`	`maher: th`
`00:33.33`	`exobyte`	`maher: thx`
`00:33.33`	`abrotman`	`asg: can't you put something a little better in that factoid?`
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`00:33.41`	`asg`	`abrotman: yeah, hang on`
`00:33.47`	`Seb`	`njs: are you positive about that RAMP/swap assertion ?`
`00:33.52`	`exobyte`	`maher: should I remove apt.conf or make it blank`
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`00:34.13`	`Seb`	`exobyye: do env \| grep -i proxy, does it return anything ?`
`00:34.23`	`njs`	`Seb: shouldn't I be? It's certainly always what I've observed, and certainly the way it should work for optimal performance.`
`00:34.24`	`BlackJudas`	`njs, Ehh... But... Have you ever seen 1.8 gigs disappear? And become unusable after a simple cd burn? Google it, there's a known memory leak which almost prompted 2.6.8.2...`
`00:34.38`	`maher`	`exobyte: wht's in it? just move it to apt.conf.old`
`00:34.42`	`exobyte`	`Seb: it was set in apt.conf- I think it's fixed`
`00:34.51`	`Seb`	`njs: even if there is RAM not used by anything else ?`
`00:34.54`	`Seb`	`exobyte: ah ok`
`00:35.00`	`exobyte`	`maher: just one line- to set the proxyt`
`00:35.05`	`njs`	`BlackJudas: okay.`
`00:35.11`	`Seb`	`exobyte: i didn't know proxys for apt could be set some other way than by env variables`
`00:35.24`	`maher`	`exobyte: ok - you can just remove it then`
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`00:35.37`	`exobyte`	`Seb: it's probobly for installing`
`00:35.40`	`guestish`	`hi`
`00:35.44`	`dan2`	`asg: install libgmp3 and you can test my fibonacci haskell program`
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`00:35.47`	`Seb`	`exobyte: what do you mean ?`
`00:35.48`	`abrotman`	`!beer asg`
`00:35.55`	`Seb`	`aaaaaaah`
`00:35.56`	`c4_`	`what that: "PC2100/2700 DDR" memory means?`
`00:36.01`	`abrotman`	`it's ram`
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`00:36.17`	`exobyte`	`the weird question- how bad is it to change apt sources from stable to unstable and install an unstalble package and it's deps`
`00:36.28`	`guestish`	`whats the difference between DSIMMs and SIMMs?`
`00:36.29`	`dan2`	`abrotman: where is Leimy when I need him`
`00:36.30`	`asg`	`dan2: maybe later`
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`00:36.34`	`maher`	`exobyte: don't do that - try backports.org`
`00:36.40`	`abrotman`	`dan2: russia?`
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`00:36.45`	`exobyte`	`Seb: setting an environmental variable in the installer is hard`
`00:36.53`	`dan2`	`abrotman: hmm`
`00:37.01`	`dan2`	`abrotman: he is the official haskell guru now too`
`00:37.04`	`exobyte`	`maher: it's kinda late- the backport didn't work. IT was mythtv`
`00:37.12`	`abrotman`	`dan2: ok .. i foyu say so`
`00:37.16`	`Seb`	`exobyte: oh I see, k`
`00:37.16`	`maher`	`exobyte: make a chroot`
`00:37.25`	`stew`	`exobyte: upgrade to sarge`
`00:37.32`	`dan2`	`abrotman: now I have my fibonacci numbers without limits ;)`
`00:37.35`	`exobyte`	`stew: probobly a good idea at this point`
`00:37.39`	`c4_`	`exobyte: if your conection is fast or low cost and you need the newer stuff, install unstable`
`00:37.40`	`exobyte`	`maher: chroot?`
`00:37.45`	`maher`	`!chroot`
`00:37.45`	`dpkg`	`i guess chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot`
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`00:38.01`	`exobyte`	`c4_: it's fast and cheap`
`00:38.02`	`dan2`	`abrotman: in C++ it might have been possible to give enough memory for a higher precision int... but C was being a pita`
`00:38.14`	`c4_`	`exobyte: so, be an unstable guy`
`00:38.16`	`Seb`	`c4_: that's definitely all that should be considered before installing unstable`
`00:38.16`	`dan2`	`abrotman: technically I couldn't go over fib 45`
`00:38.24`	`dan2`	`abrotman: because there wouldn't be enough memory for it`
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`00:38.33`	`exobyte`	`c4_: maybe`
`00:38.37`	`Seb`	`c4_: do you hereby promise to support him once he has problems with unstable ?`
`00:38.37`	`dan2`	`abrotman: and this is with long long`
`00:38.40`	`Seb`	`exobyte: don't do that`
`00:38.43`	`dan2`	`2^64`
`00:38.43`	`c4_`	`Seb: no, but all the other thing have less importance`
`00:38.51`	`exobyte`	`Seb: then what should I do?`
`00:38.51`	`fitzsim_`	`when I try to mount a floppy in gnome, I get an error that it can't mount the disk properly because it's the wrong fstype`
`00:39.00`	`abrotman`	`dan2: write your own number class`
`00:39.04`	`c4_`	`Seb: yes, that's a good point`
`00:39.06`	`Seb`	`what's the apt factoid about drunk and sid, or something ?`
`00:39.17`	`c4_`	`exobyte: reed what Seb has said`
`00:39.18`	`fitzsim_`	`when I do: mount -type msdos /dev/floppy on the command line it works`
`00:39.21`	`maher`	`exobyte: make a testing or unstable chroot - if you do this in a spare partition youcan even set up lilo to boot to it`
`00:39.22`	`abrotman`	`!beer asg`
`00:39.28`	`guestish`	`abrotman: you are obsessed with beer?`
`00:39.32`	`exobyte`	`maher: ah`
`00:39.35`	`Seb`	`guestish: who's not ?`
`00:39.35`	`fitzsim_`	`and then gnome's mounting feature works after that`
`00:39.36`	`abrotman`	`i thnk asg is adding beers`
`00:39.41`	`fitzsim_`	`anyone else have that problem?`
`00:39.47`	`guestish`	`heh`
`00:39.49`	`exobyte`	`maher: what kind of conflicts could happen from what I did?`
`00:39.53`	`dan2`	`abrotman: yes`
`00:40.01`	`asg`	`!beer abrotman`
`00:40.06`	`abrotman`	`:)`
`00:40.09`	`Seb`	`heheh`
`00:40.09`	`abrotman`	`dan2: ?`
`00:40.29`	`dan2`	`abrotman: I could... but whats the point, i'd just need to have some way of upping the amount of memory for int`
`00:40.33`	`maher`	`exobyte: if you pull in an unstable package you pull in its deps, such as unstable libc - then you may as well run unstable`
`00:40.44`	`abrotman`	`dan2: doubt it ... you just have to be smart about it`
`00:40.54`	`c4_`	`exobyte: but, im unstable, with no low cost and no fast conection and is not so hard (wine is hard to keep working), i think that there are some packages that should be stable, some critical things, like compiler, kernel, wine,...`
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`00:41.05`	`exobyte`	`maher: can I just to apt-get upgrade with unstable sources to go to unstable?`
`00:41.17`	`maher`	`exobyte: yes - but you can't go back`
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`00:41.20`	`stew`	`exobyte: no, dist-upgrade`
`00:41.23`	`exobyte`	`c4_: kernel isn't a package for me`
`00:41.25`	`exobyte`	`stew: heh`
`00:41.27`	`abrotman`	`dan2: for starters ..you could store the numbers in a string/char* ...`
`00:41.29`	`exobyte`	`stew: the debian wayt`
`00:41.34`	`DrBlink12`	`how do i edit a txt file? wat command?`
`00:41.38`	`abrotman`	`and then do a ton of work to use it :)`
`00:41.48`	`c4_`	`exobyte: i knew that you have to say that!`
`00:41.51`	`Seb`	`DrBlink12: emacs file.txt`
`00:41.54`	`stew`	`DrBlink12: nano`
`00:41.56`	`c4_`	`exobyte: and thats true`
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`00:42.05`	`dan2`	`abrotman: anything with strings == bd`
`00:42.08`	`dan2`	`bad`
`00:42.11`	`simonrvn`	`!beer #debian`
`00:42.14`	`dan2`	`abrotman: I'd probably use libgmp`
`00:42.17`	`simonrvn`	`mmm`
`00:42.18`	`Seb`	`simonrvn: thx`
`00:42.23`	`asg`	`dan2: gstrings have uses`
`00:42.25`	`Guerin`	`arr, just what I need first thing in the morning`
`00:42.25`	`abrotman`	`dan2: sure ... but uhm .. you need big numbers .. you make choices`
`00:42.25`	`c4_`	`exobyte: i don't even use the kernel package, i use the source from kernel.org`
`00:42.31`	`Guerin`	`simonrvn: :)`
`00:42.33`	`asg`	`!beer Guerin`
`00:42.35`	`simonrvn`	`peeerfect :)`
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`00:42.40`	`Guerin`	`hey`
`00:42.41`	`dan2`	`!+info libgmp3`
`00:42.45`	`dpkg`	`libgmp3: (Multiprecision arithmetic library), section libs, is optional. Version: 4.1.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 309 kB, Installed size: 508 kB`
`00:42.45`	`Guerin`	`dpkg got some more beers!`
`00:42.45`	`dpkg`	`wish i knew, Guerin`
`00:42.48`	`exobyte`	`c4_: same here`
`00:42.49`	`pattern`	`sometimes when i install a deb using dpkg it installs fine, but when i go in to aptitude i see it has been marked for deletion... why is this?`
`00:42.50`	`asg`	`Guerin: that's just what you need first thing in the morning`
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`00:43.06`	`dan2`	`abrotman: libgmp3 provides unlimited length ints`
`00:43.07`	`c4_`	`some poor guy like me that use amd knows what does that pc2100 , pc2700 means?`
`00:43.24`	`abrotman`	`dan2: write your own ..more fun :)`
`00:43.44`	`simonrvn`	`c4_: i use kernel package, and a tarball from k.o`
`00:43.45`	`DrBlink12`	`thanks - im using that emacs rite now`
`00:43.50`	`asg`	`c4_: maybe #hardware`
`00:43.53`	`maher`	`c4_: its the type of memory you need - for when you go to the shop to buy some more`
`00:44.17`	`Seb`	`apt, drink beer`
`00:44.19`	`apt`	`I don't want to drink beer`
`00:44.20`	`simonrvn`	`actually, kernel-package, heh`
`00:44.23`	`Seb`	`that needs to be fixed`
`00:44.26`	`stew`	`c4_: pc2100 is 266mhz ram and pc2700 is 333mhz ram`
`00:44.27`	`c4_`	`asg: all sleeping in harware`
`00:44.27`	`asg`	`!kick apt`
`00:44.38`	`Seb`	`the #debian bot doesn't want to drink beer, what kind of shit is that ? :>`
`00:44.41`	`asg`	`c4_: then listen to stew`
`00:44.42`	`simonrvn`	`apt: wake up!`
`00:44.44`	`apt`	`up!: GOOD MORNING!!!`
`00:44.53`	`asg`	`Seb: apt has be senile for sometime, ask dpkg`
`00:44.53`	`simonrvn`	`O_O`
`00:44.54`	`abrotman`	`!kiss asg`
`00:44.59`	`Guerin`	`hey guys, peer pressure ain't cool....`
`00:45.04`	`Seb`	`dpkg, drink beer`
`00:45.12`	`asg`	`Guerin: this kissing, kicking, or booze?`
`00:45.13`	`Seb`	`heheh`
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`00:45.42`	`c4_`	`stew: and if i buy a 400MHz memory, can i use it with a AMD-2000XP (2GHz) chip?`
`00:45.47`	`Seb`	`apt, magic smoke`
`00:45.48`	`apt`	`[magic smoke] a substance trapped inside IC packages that enables them to function. Its existence is demonstrated by what happens when a chip burns up: the magic smoke gets let out, so it doesn't work any more.`
`00:45.51`	`Guerin`	`asg: if he doesn't want to drink, we shouldn't make him.`
`00:46.02`	`Seb`	`heh`
`00:46.05`	`Seb`	`Guerin: :)`
`00:46.08`	`asg`	`Guerin: true, though she probably needs it`
`00:46.20`	`stew`	`c4_: i dunno`
`00:46.25`	`rich_`	`If peer presure isnt cool, then what is? What could be more cool?`
`00:46.27`	`c4_`	`ouch!`
`00:46.27`	`maher`	`c4_: chip speed doesn't matter`
`00:46.37`	`c4_`	`maher: grate!`
`00:46.41`	`asg`	`rich_: peer 2 peer pressure is much better`
`00:47.03`	`Guerin`	`No, I take it all back, peer pressure is fine.`
`00:47.03`	`Xenarchy`	`woohoo x works`
`00:47.03`	`Seb`	`c4_: you meant 'great'`
`00:47.04`	`c4_`	`maher: so i have to spend less money`
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`00:47.04`	`c4_`	`Seb: yes`
`00:47.04`	`maher`	`c4_: it says in the motherboard manual what sort pf memory you need`
`00:47.08`	`DrBlink12`	`how do i close emacs?`
`00:47.14`	`asg`	`Xenarchy: X has worked for a long time, the fact that it works for you necessitates the following ...`
`00:47.14`	`abrotman`	`uninstall it`
`00:47.17`	`asg`	`!beer Xenarchy`
`00:47.17`	`Seb`	`DrBlink12: Ctrl-X Ctrl-C`
`00:47.20`	`simonrvn`	`this has been anice day: 2.6.8.1 finally works (thanks to a small patch), my HTTPS is accessible, and everything works. now if only i could figure out what's weirding out my internal SCSI bus, i'd be happy`
`00:47.26`	`Seb`	`DrBlink12: save is Ctrl-X Ctrl-S`
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`00:47.38`	`stew`	`c4_: btw a 2000xp is not 2ghz`
`00:47.38`	`Xenarchy`	`Noid, the fact that it works for me is great =)`
`00:47.42`	`DrBlink12`	`and quit w/o save is?`
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`00:47.51`	`Seb`	`DrBlink12: Ctrl-X Ctrl-C`
`00:47.54`	`asg`	`:q! > Ctrl-X Ctrl-C`
`00:48.02`	`Seb`	`asg: whatever :>`
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`00:48.05`	`asg`	`hehe`
`00:48.08`	`Seb`	`heheh`
`00:48.11`	`c4_`	`this salers are so... thiefs, the guy has told me that i could use the 400MHz memory only with at least 2400XP chip`
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`00:48.21`	`maher`	`c4_: so ddr 400mhz pc2700 is a certain type of memory chip, which may or may not be useful for your mb`
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`00:48.56`	`ansong`	`um, pc2700 == 333MHz memory; pc3200 == 400MHz`
`00:49.01`	`c4_`	`stew: jmm!... it works at 2GHz only in some points like the PMPO in the audio systems?`
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`00:49.07`	`aQuer`	`ciao a tutti`
`00:49.14`	`c4_`	`GRRR`
`00:49.14`	`asg`	`!italian`
`00:49.14`	`dpkg`	`i guess italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it`
`00:49.17`	`asg`	`aQuer: ^^^^`
`00:49.20`	`GiAnGy`	`lol`
`00:49.22`	`abrotman`	`!swahilli`
`00:49.26`	`GiAnGy`	`!albanese`
`00:49.28`	`stew`	`c4_: 2000xp processor runs at 1.6ghz`
`00:49.32`	`asg`	`!english`
`00:49.32`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or is one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world`
`00:49.33`	`ansong`	`!canadian`
`00:49.33`	`dpkg`	`I AM CANADIAN!`
`00:49.34`	`aQuer`	`azz`
`00:49.37`	`Guerin`	`albanese isn't a language`
`00:49.40`	`ansong`	`jeez`
`00:49.41`	`aQuer`	`sono attrezzati`
`00:49.54`	`GiAnGy`	`aQuer: non si fanno seghe come noi`
`00:49.54`	`stew`	`c4_: 2000xp is marketting hype for "it runs about as fast as a 2ghz p4"`
`00:49.54`	`aQuer`	`c'� qualcuno che parla italiano?`
`00:49.57`	`abrotman`	`GiAnGy: i work with an albanian`
`00:50.02`	`rich_`	`Well 2.6 worked fine for me right up untiul the time I unistalled pcmcia=cs and forgot how to configure it. But Im sure it will work again, and I suspect the reason is My computer is a laptop from 2001 . I Guess it must be just the right era or maybe its just because fujitsu used good hardware. But the real trick is when you buy your computer, dont get one that has anything crappy in it`
`00:50.04`	`stew`	`!italian`
`00:50.04`	`dpkg`	`somebody said italian was per aiuto in lingua italiana /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it`
`00:50.07`	`asg`	`aQuer: not here, try #debian-it`
`00:50.12`	`aQuer`	`are there anybody who speak italian?`
`00:50.14`	`c4_`	`stew: ok , 2 or 3 mor MHz doesn't matter, but i hate AMD guyz for that marketing lie`
`00:50.21`	`asg`	`aQuer: no, they are in #debian-it`
`00:50.23`	`Guerin`	`aQuer: there are lots in Italy`
`00:50.23`	`GiAnGy`	`aQuer: hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii`
`00:50.24`	`maher`	`c4_: why is it a lie?`
`00:50.29`	`GiAnGy`	`i speak italiannnnn`
`00:50.34`	`GiAnGy`	`aQuer: where are u froooooooom?`
`00:50.51`	`aQuer`	`GiAnGy, from 'casa tua'`
`00:50.55`	`aQuer`	`gh`
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`00:51.04`	`abrotman`	`wtf`
`00:51.08`	`c4_`	`maher: man!, if you see 2000 you automatically imagine 2GHz`
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`00:51.40`	`maher`	`c4_: get a clue`
`00:51.48`	`stew`	`c4_: you might also assume that a 1.6 ghz amd would be slower than a 2ghz p4 though`
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`00:52.14`	`FieldySnuts`	`indeed, get a clue c4_`
`00:52.18`	`Seb`	`hrm, is there really a pronunciation difference between corpse and corps ?`
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`00:52.27`	`FieldySnuts`	`Seb: at least here (northern USA) there is`
`00:52.30`	`meneg`	`I have a mixed stable/unstable release, how can I make it through /etc/apt/ to upgrade _only_ the security updates of stable packages and not also the already installed from unstable?`
`00:52.33`	`Seb`	`FieldySnuts: what kind ? :)`
`00:52.38`	`maher`	`Seb: corps is french, pronounced core`
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`00:52.43`	`abrotman`	`Seb: depends where in states from`
`00:52.44`	`asg`	`Seb: corpse != corps (the latter sounding like Kor)`
`00:52.45`	`FieldySnuts`	`maher got it`
`00:52.48`	`ansong`	`corp is pronounced core`
`00:52.50`	`Guerin`	`meneg: you can't; you're fucked.`
`00:52.54`	`abrotman`	`corps is like core .. corpse is .. well corpse`
`00:52.57`	`asg`	`Seb: the former like Kor-Ps`
`00:52.57`	`meneg`	`Guerin: lol`
`00:53.17`	`Seb`	`asg, maher: k thx`
`00:53.17`	`c4_`	`stew: yes, yes yes, but it cost is 1/2 than the Intel ones, and im in the second world and im poor`
`00:53.19`	`Guerin`	`meneg: seriously; you can either upgrade wholesale to unstable, or you can reinstall.`
`00:53.19`	`abrotman`	`he's not kidding`
`00:53.23`	`Seb`	`so what does corps mean in english ?`
`00:53.25`	`Seb`	`apt, dict corps`
`00:53.32`	`Seb`	`k :)`
`00:53.47`	`asg`	`Seb: circle jerk`
`00:54.01`	`abrotman`	`Seb: like marine corps`
`00:54.03`	`meneg`	`Guerin: i never reinstalled debian. i think this is a "format your disk to find elnlightment" windows thing:p`
`00:54.12`	`ansong`	`apt, dict circlejerk`
`00:54.20`	`abrotman`	`holy shit .. it's not even sunday!`
`00:54.24`	`maher`	`c4_: amd chips tend to have a better cost/performance ratio than intel chips`
`00:54.25`	`asg`	`ansong: try '!google circle jerk'`
`00:54.28`	`Guerin`	`meneg: when you mix branches, you can break things beyond repair.`
`00:54.38`	`Guerin`	`!bobbitt`
`00:54.39`	`stew`	`abrotman: its like a sunday in the us though`
`00:54.39`	`dpkg`	`Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result.`
`00:54.43`	`asg`	`abrotman: labor day extends sunday`
`00:54.51`	`abrotman`	`asg: two days of sunday?`
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`00:54.58`	`asg`	`abrotman: for the USians`
`00:55.11`	`SharkY`	`when i make any changes to my files via nfs, the own of that files is nobody`
`00:55.22`	`abrotman`	`asg: i thought it was an extra day for sleeping`
`00:55.26`	`SharkY`	`and i can't do anything because i dont have permitions`
`00:55.28`	`c4_`	`maher: that exactly what i would like to say, but i can't get it quickly in english`
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`00:55.43`	`asg`	`abrotman: and drinking and eating hot dogs (the ones on IRC are the ones doing non of these things)`
`00:55.43`	`meneg`	`Guerin: I've really done some wierd stuff in this / partition the past 4 years and after 10 upgrades/downgrades of releases it still works. i think it is not impossible to even if you break something to reinstall a release _without_ deleting _everything_`
`00:56.00`	`asg`	`abrotman: myself included`
`00:56.01`	`abrotman`	`asg: beer!!`
`00:56.07`	`jharrison`	`beer?`
`00:56.08`	`asg`	`abrotman: and cheese sandwiches`
`00:56.13`	`jharrison`	`guinness?`
`00:56.13`	`asg`	`!beer jharrison`
`00:56.24`	`jharrison`	`mmmmmmmmmmm boddington's`
`00:56.39`	`jharrison`	`another?`
`00:56.43`	`abrotman`	`yuengling!!`
`00:56.45`	`asg`	`!beer jharrison`
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`00:56.54`	`jharrison`	`this is my kind of place`
`00:56.55`	`jharrison`	`:)`
`00:56.56`	`DemiGuru`	`jharrison: Any news from your Island?`
`00:56.57`	`abrotman`	`asg: you broke it`
`00:56.58`	`Guerin`	`meneg: sure, nothing's impossible. But depending on how much you have from sid in your woody system, it's liable to be more work to try and fix it than to nuke it and start from scratch.`
`00:57.00`	`abrotman`	`!beer asg`
`00:57.03`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`00:57.08`	`jharrison`	`DemiGuru: yeah`
`00:57.11`	`asg`	`abrotman: I didn't, /dev/random is broken`
`00:57.20`	`jharrison`	`DemiGuru: http://linuxbs.org/~public/frances/`
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`00:57.35`	`simonrvn`	!nickometer b0rn`to`be`r00t
`00:57.35`	`dpkg`	'b0rn`to`be`r00t' is 99.880% lame, simonrvn
`00:57.35`	`abrotman`	`!kick /dev/random`
`00:57.38`	`Guerin`	`meneg: the main thing is that what yuo've done introduces a lot of randomness to the equation, so it'll be hard for us to help you.`
`00:57.48`	`asg`	`simonrvn: yeah, that's a bad one :)`
`00:57.58`	`simonrvn`	`oh yeh`
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`00:58.07`	b0rn`to`be`r00t	`dpkg, ?`
`00:58.07`	`dpkg`	b0rn`to`be`r00t: i haven't a clue
`00:58.11`	`asg`	`simonrvn: and it had to /nick itself after the fact to get it right`
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`00:58.13`	b0rn`to`be`r00t	`lol`
`00:58.14`	`DemiGuru`	`jharrison: thanks`
`00:58.16`	b0rn`to`be`r00t	`bot del chez`
`00:58.17`	`Guerin`	b0rn`to`be`r00t: we can tell.
`00:58.22`	`simonrvn`	`asg: sigh`
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`00:59.00`	`simonrvn`	i think b0rn`to`be`r00t forgot a couple of letters on the end, like 'ed'
`00:59.04`	`DemiGuru`	`jharrison: frances_11.jpg is that the Mango tree`
`00:59.05`	b0rn`to`be`r00t	`!nickometer anaconda`
`00:59.08`	`asg`	`simonrvn: was thinking the same`
`00:59.14`	`BlackJudas`	`!nickometer BlackJudas`
`00:59.19`	`MerlinCorey`	`lol @ simonrvn`
`00:59.19`	`simonrvn`	`asg: GMAFTA`
`00:59.22`	`meneg`	`Guerin: of course! someone who has unstable on his system knows the meaning of the word unstable. when that is mixed, then it's more obvious you can't expect any form of "official" support.`
`00:59.29`	`BlackJudas`	`the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for BlackJudas is 0.000%, blackjudas`
`00:59.31`	`BlackJudas`	`\o/`
`00:59.32`	`stew`	!nickmeter b0rn`to`be`r00t
`00:59.32`	`meneg`	`s/his/his\/her`
`00:59.32`	`dpkg`	b0rn`to`be`r00t is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
`00:59.42`	b0rn`to`be`r00t	`ahaha`
`00:59.50`	`jharrison`	`DemiGuru: my island got some damage but its not too bad. some of the other islands have severe damage and many people lost everything except their lives which is all that really matters. and 3 are dead. one guy was electrocuted playing with a generator, one older man has a heart attack in one of the shelters and one person was swept away by storm surge crossing a road that was closed and no one was suppose to cross`
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`00:59.52`	`abrotman`	`doesn't apt have a nickometer and dpkg has nickmeter?`
`00:59.52`	`stew`	`seems to be closer than the first guess`
`00:59.56`	`asg`	`simonrvn: hehe, another one to add to 'wtf(6)'`
`00:59.58`	`jharrison`	`DemiGuru: yes that is the mango tree in my back yard`
`01:00.00`	`Samzz`	`!nickmeter GiAnGy`
`01:00.01`	`dpkg`	`GiAnGy is 100% lame with a cherry on top!`
`01:00.06`	`simonrvn`	`asg: hehe`
`01:00.12`	`Samzz`	`gh`
`01:00.16`	`abrotman`	`~nickometer dpkg`
`01:00.17`	`apt`	`'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, abrotman`
`01:00.25`	`BlackJudas`	`!nickmeter BlackJudas`
`01:00.26`	`dpkg`	`BlackJudas is 100% lame with a cherry on top!`
`01:00.29`	`BlackJudas`	`...`
`01:00.31`	`Guerin`	`meneg: actually, you might be surprised how few people who run unstable actually know that.`
`01:00.32`	`simonrvn`	`oh no..`
`01:00.34`	`BlackJudas`	`wtf`
`01:00.37`	`Samzz`	`!nickmeter Sam`
`01:00.38`	`dpkg`	`Sam is 100% lame with a cherry on top!`
`01:00.39`	`asg`	`BlackJudas: different factoid`
`01:00.47`	`Guerin`	`meneg: well, my advice to you is: determine what packages you have installed from unstable, purge them, remove unstable sources from your list, hope. And /msg dpkg downgrade.`
`01:00.50`	`asg`	`!nickometer BlackJudas`
`01:00.50`	`BlackJudas`	`asg, mmmkay`
`01:00.59`	b0rn`to`be`r00t	`!nickmeter asg`
`01:00.59`	`dpkg`	`asg is 100% lame with a cherry on top!`
`01:01.13`	`gx`	`im upgrading from woody to sarge and its askin me if i wanna upgrade glibc, should i say no, when i tried upgrading from woody to sid, glibc broke everything`
`01:01.15`	`abrotman`	b0rn`to`be`r00t: have a question .. or just being annoying?
`01:01.18`	`jharrison`	`!nickmeter ricky_clarkson`
`01:01.18`	`dpkg`	`ricky_clarkson is 100% lame with a cherry on top!`
`01:01.19`	`asg`	`simonrvn: nah`
`01:01.21`	`jharrison`	`hehe`
`01:01.31`	`MerlinCorey`	`yes, we figured out !nickometer is always lame...`
`01:01.31`	b0rn`to`be`r00t	`abrotman, cazzo vuoi sto parlando con te?`
`01:01.33`	`MerlinCorey`	`can we stop now..?`
`01:01.34`	`MerlinCorey`	`:)`
`01:01.39`	`Guerin`	`gx: if you don't upgrade glibc, you won't be upgrading anything.`
`01:01.43`	`asg`	`argyl! attack of the ladybugs, brb`
`01:01.45`	`anaconda`	lol b0rn`to`be`r00t
`01:01.46`	`abrotman`	`!italian`
`01:01.46`	`dpkg`	`italian is probably per aiuto in lingua italiana /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it`
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`01:01.57`	b0rn`to`be`r00t	`anaconda, prot`
`01:02.06`	b0rn`to`be`r00t	`!iraquen`
`01:02.08`	b0rn`to`be`r00t	`eahaehaehaeh`