| 00:00.08 | mornfall | rm -f is too dangerous :p |
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| 00:00.15 | mornfall | rm -rf moreso |
| 00:00.21 | Seb | Noid: recognize that he's helpless |
| 00:00.39 | mornfall | oh, shit... it's 2 am *again*? |
| 00:00.49 | directhex | no mornfall, only 1AM |
| 00:00.49 | Tagor | Seb >> I already talked to them, let me quote their mail: "Hello, sorry, we can install only our standard image. We can give you a description how to delete ezad. A backup is also not possible. Do you want a new install?" |
| 00:01.06 | Seb | Tagor: what can I do about it ? Why do you even tell me that ? |
| 00:01.14 | Tagor | Seb >> I just offer them 50 euro, hope they will accept it ... |
| 00:01.20 | Seb | only 5pm |
| 00:01.22 | vezult | Tagor: sounds like you should change hosts |
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| 00:01.36 | mornfall | stop this madness please .) |
| 00:01.38 | Noid | Seb: yeah, he is... shitty hosting they seem too |
| 00:01.43 | mornfall | better tell me how to unwedge apt-move :) |
| 00:01.48 | Seb | Noid: yep |
| 00:02.11 | Seb | Tagor: offer some pot, .nl sysadmins are bound to go for that |
| 00:02.17 | Seb | seriously |
| 00:02.20 | silentrob | I've got a problem with Firefox and Fluxbox on Deb Sid, and I'm not sure which is causing the problem. When I'm using tabbed windows in fluxbox, and have firefox connected to any other window, running 'firefox -remote "openURL(http://www.google.com,new-tab)"' returns "Error: No running window found" (but not 100% of the time) |
| 00:02.34 | Tagor | LO |
| 00:02.35 | Tagor | :P |
| 00:02.35 | Seb | silentrob: it's a known bug in the BTS |
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| 00:02.52 | Seb | silentrob: search mozilla-firefox, but I think it's been moved to *box eventually |
| 00:03.02 | Seb | Tagor: :) |
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| 00:03.13 | silentrob | where? I couldn't find it. The only I saw said they were fixed with Firefox 0.9.1-5 |
| 00:03.17 | silentrob | Ah, I'll check fluxbox. |
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| 00:03.24 | Noid | Tagor: one last question... if you can't access the server, you must have uploaded the important data there, no? So you should have kept a backup copy, even if it's a bit outdated... (if not, well, then, next time...) |
| 00:03.31 | Seb | silentrob: then maybe yours is different than the one I saw once, not sure |
| 00:03.37 | Tagor | Well, still thanks to you guys, hope I can make a good deal with them ... |
| 00:03.38 | silentrob | don't know why I didn't think of looking there |
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| 00:03.47 | Seb | silentrob: got it ? |
| 00:03.52 | vezult | Tagor: good luck :) |
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| 00:04.10 | Tagor | Noid >> Unfortunately I haven't got any backups :( |
| 00:04.22 | Tagor | Noid >> However I will have a look in my logs, maybe putty logged something |
| 00:04.29 | Tagor | Noid >> Thanks for the pointer ;) |
| 00:04.34 | Tagor | Thanks, vezult :) |
| 00:04.58 | Noid | Tagor: well, i guess next time you won't forget to back up (; |
| 00:05.03 | silentrob | Nope, I don't see anything mozilla/firefox related on the fluxbox bugs page |
| 00:05.34 | Tagor | Noid >> Hehe, no I will never forget it |
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| 00:05.41 | Tagor | anymore |
| 00:05.51 | T` | hey.. i am tryting to get int osingle mdoe t ochange my root pass |
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| 00:06.02 | T` | but i cant do it cuz in single mode the shell asks me for a maintenance pass |
| 00:06.10 | T` | anyone know how i can avoid this and change the pass ? |
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| 00:06.12 | mornfall | T`: init=/bin/sh |
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| 00:06.32 | vezult | T`: pass init=/bin/bash to your kernel at boot |
| 00:06.34 | T` | in kernel start up ? |
| 00:06.35 | T` | ok cool |
| 00:06.36 | T` | thanks |
| 00:06.38 | Tagor | Gtg, cya :) |
| 00:06.48 | silentrob | The semi-relevent bug (filed on mozilla-firefox) is 259237, closed 18 Jul |
| 00:06.52 | vezult | later tagor |
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| 00:07.12 | silentrob | But this one seems to only happen in specific circumstances, and only when using Fluxbox window tabbing |
| 00:07.13 | Seb | silentrob: then I dunno |
| 00:07.16 | mornfall | why oh why has apt-move to decided to fuck up itself? |
| 00:07.17 | Seb | silentrob: file a new one :) |
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| 00:07.53 | Seb | mornfall: why, you mean only humans could decide to fuck themselves up sometimes ? |
| 00:07.56 | Seb | :> |
| 00:08.08 | silentrob | But I was trying to figure out exactly where the bug was coming from first. #fluxbox denies it's their problem... |
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| 00:08.18 | silentrob | Plus, I can't seem to find a 100% consistent test case |
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| 00:08.38 | mornfall | silentrob: well, i'd say #debian denies it's our problem as well :P |
| 00:08.43 | Seb | hah |
| 00:08.50 | mornfall | silentrob: try #firefox ;) |
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| 00:08.55 | Seb | silentrob: file a bug anyway, on mozilla-firefox I'd say |
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| 00:10.51 | mornfall | hmm, is it possible that a filesystem is running out of inodes? and, how can i check? |
| 00:10.56 | Seb | it is possible |
| 00:11.05 | Seb | tune2fs of fsck can tell ya I think |
| 00:11.08 | Seb | so can df -i |
| 00:11.09 | Seb | iirc |
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| 00:11.17 | Seb | yeah, df -i |
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| 00:11.26 | mornfall | Seb: nice, thanks |
| 00:11.33 | Seb | ok, gotta go |
| 00:11.43 | Seb | 4 weeks of vacation, goddammit :)) |
| 00:11.47 | Seb | see ya people in a month |
| 00:12.24 | nictuku | anybody ever rent a server at servermatrix.com? |
| 00:12.29 | ndowens | i just bought sid cds from linuxcdrs.com ,and as well woody b/c i read that it is recommended that i install woody then include the sid cdrom in apt sources right? |
| 00:13.28 | Noid | ndowens: buy sid cds? omg |
| 00:14.24 | mrwill | so if debhelper is an infobot, the ability it has to manage the limits on the number of people here is part of infobot? |
| 00:14.24 | ndowens | it'd take forever to get from the net |
| 00:14.25 | directhex | Noid, for those who want a snapshot of the bleeding edge from months ago? |
| 00:14.42 | nictuku | noid what's the problem? |
| 00:14.51 | Noid | directhex: well, if you put it that way... d-: |
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| 00:15.16 | ndowens | i hope the cds work good |
| 00:15.34 | ndowens | so it would be better to upgrade from woody to sid i presume |
| 00:15.45 | directhex | ndowens, 1) you will never need all the packages on all the cds. 2) sid changes by hundreds of megabytes every day. any cd image you buy is already obsolete, and you'll end up downloaidng it all again anyway |
| 00:16.09 | ndowens | according to linuxcdrs they update weekly atleast |
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| 00:16.23 | directhex | stable -> unstable isn't an upgrade, it's a sidewaysgrade. sid breaks things. that's why it's called sid. |
| 00:16.24 | blissex_ | ndowens: it is better than nothing, but risky. |
| 00:16.29 | ndowens | why |
| 00:16.30 | Noid | ndowens: or daily. sid changes CONSTANTLY |
| 00:16.55 | mornfall | yeah, and it breaks constantly :p |
| 00:16.59 | directhex | on that note, wonder if ox.ac.uk have updated thei mirror today |
| 00:17.04 | Noid | ndowens: but you get to keep the pieces |
| 00:17.19 | directhex | yep. update time! |
| 00:17.22 | sussudio | !tell ndowens about sid faq |
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| 00:18.51 | Meth[Linux] | is menu broken in Sid? |
| 00:19.20 | Meth[Linux] | I put a zero length file in ~/.menu with the name of the package I wanted to hide from the menu |
| 00:19.30 | Meth[Linux] | according to the man page that should work |
| 00:19.50 | bluefox83 | omg..serious problem :X |
| 00:19.51 | Meth[Linux] | when I do update-menus as that user however it says 0 files in that dir |
| 00:19.58 | ndowens | what about sarge is it bad |
| 00:20.07 | bluefox83 | debian:/sbin# rm -fr /usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers/KSwarm.desktop.dpkg-tmp |
| 00:20.07 | bluefox83 | rm: cannot remove `/usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers/KSwarm.desktop.dpkg-tmp': Input/output error |
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| 00:20.38 | vezult | ndowens: no. sarge isnt bad, particularly - more like "not quite done" |
| 00:20.48 | Noid | ndowens: it is not that sid or sarge are "bad" or "good" |
| 00:20.52 | directhex | ndowens, it's between the two. up to date, generally stable, but not as secure as stable or unstable. |
| 00:21.14 | mrwill | unstable is secure? |
| 00:21.15 | Noid | ndowens: what they said |
| 00:21.21 | directhex | ndowens, it's, again, a sidewaysgrade for now. however it should replace woody as stable in about a month |
| 00:21.30 | Meth[Linux] | can anyone else confirm it's an issue (and not just my system) before I bother the packager with a bug report? |
| 00:21.37 | vezult | mrwill: it is more secure than sarge |
| 00:21.48 | ndowens | hmm so sid is worse than sarge |
| 00:21.48 | directhex | Meth[Linux], bother them. i'm sure their inbox is lonely |
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| 00:21.54 | vezult | mrwill: security updates get into sid much faster than sarge |
| 00:21.59 | directhex | sid is different to sarge |
| 00:22.10 | directhex | sid is more secure, and more up to date. it's also less stable |
| 00:22.23 | mrwill | vezult: I see, but you have to apt-get upgrade a lot to benefit from that. |
| 00:22.23 | Meth[Linux] | stability is for wimps ;) |
| 00:22.28 | Ugly_Duck | how do i force a disk check to see if there is any thing wrong with my hard drive? |
| 00:22.29 | directhex | one might call it "unstable" |
| 00:22.38 | mrwill | Ugly_Duck: fdisk? |
| 00:22.41 | Ugly_Duck | thanks |
| 00:22.45 | ndowens | fsck |
| 00:22.47 | bluefox83 | does anyone know what causes input/output errors ? |
| 00:22.50 | Ugly_Duck | that will fuck my drive |
| 00:22.54 | vezult | mrwill: true, but thats the only way you can benefit from any security fixes |
| 00:23.00 | mrwill | Ugly_Duck: sorry, it's actually fsck |
| 00:23.05 | Ugly_Duck | heheheheh.. okies |
| 00:23.21 | ndowens | so maybe sid will be arlight |
| 00:23.22 | mrwill | vezult: yep. |
| 00:23.29 | ndowens | i ordered the 3.0r2 cds as well |
| 00:23.41 | ndowens | so i will have good cds anyway i guess |
| 00:23.49 | ndowens | worth a try i guess |
| 00:23.57 | Meth[Linux] | so no one here (running the current sid version of menu) wants to confirm this for me? :( |
| 00:24.14 | Noid | ndowens: don't worry too much, as long as you can install a base system, you're ready to go |
| 00:24.25 | blissex | ndowens: 3.0r2 is good, Libranet/Mepis are also good, and you can always try Knoppix and with some work upgrade it to 'testing' mostly. |
| 00:24.26 | vezult | ndowens: good. just start out with those, and in a month or 2 (supposedly) sarge will be released as the new stable, and you can upgrade to it |
| 00:24.43 | ndowens | i don;t like knoppix |
| 00:24.59 | _frank | O;k |
| 00:25.02 | blissex | ndowens: its the same old same old. |
| 00:25.05 | ndowens | so sarge is gonna be out kinda soon, sweet. |
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| 00:25.13 | vezult | ndowens: what about gnoppix (knoppix with gnome instead of kde) |
| 00:25.44 | Ugly_Duck | it says... warning.. runnning e2fsck on a mounted file system may cause file system damage.. how do ya check it then without having to reboot the system... or do i? |
| 00:25.45 | ndowens | i won't have a problem with the new stable then i like newer software and the kd3.x are good for me or xfce4 |
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| 00:28.48 | vezult | Ugly_Duck: you'll have to unmount the disk, or boot into single user mode |
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| 00:29.27 | Ugly_Duck | vezult: can i tell it too do a check on next boot up? |
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| 00:29.36 | nailbiter | Ugly_Duck: if it's your root filesystem, you can re-mount it readonly, then reboot immediately after the fsck run. |
| 00:29.56 | Ugly_Duck | k |
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| 00:30.48 | nailbiter | Ugly_Duck: if you want your root filesystem to be checked on the next boot, do something like: 'tune2fs -C 9999 /dev/hda1' (if /dev/hda1 is root) |
| 00:30.48 | vezult | Ugly_Duck: mount / -o remount,ro might work |
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| 00:31.34 | vezult | Ugly_Duck: is it the disk itself, or the filesystem you are interested in checking? |
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| 00:32.11 | Ugly_Duck | file system |
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| 00:34.01 | patter | are there packages other than deborphan and denfoster which can help identify unused packages? |
| 00:34.21 | Azar | hi everyone, I have a tiny issue with "write" command, it seems that the EOF Ctrl-C does not send the message, I looked at man, but it does not specify exactly what end-of-file character to use - Debian Woody 3.1 Kernel 2.6 here |
| 00:34.33 | hacim | can you use ultra 320 drives in place of ultra 160s? |
| 00:34.35 | nailbiter | patter: i can't think of any. but you can try running 'deborphan --guess-all' to ask it to be more aggressive in looking for orphaned packages. |
| 00:34.45 | patter | what I'm thinking of is a program that could look at the access times of files in a package and make a list of ones which haven't been used for a while |
| 00:34.46 | hippie | Azar: try ^D instead of ^C? |
| 00:35.02 | Azar | hippie, ^D did not worked |
| 00:35.12 | vezult | hacim: sure. |
| 00:35.13 | nailbiter | Azar: hit ctrl-D twice. |
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| 00:35.20 | Azar | ^C returns me with no comments to my shell command status |
| 00:35.41 | nailbiter | Azar: or just do something like: 'echo Hi, people. | wall' |
| 00:35.56 | Azar | ^D has no effect |
| 00:36.57 | nailbiter | Azar: try doing 'stty sane' before you run write(1)? |
| 00:37.12 | nailbiter | Azar: if that still doesn't work, just pipe your message into write(1). 'echo hello | write $USER' |
| 00:37.30 | Azar | nailbiter I did only msg to release write command |
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| 00:37.42 | Azar | It looks like |wall worked |
| 00:37.50 | Azar | I got confirmation from the system |
| 00:38.08 | nailbiter | Azar: have fun with the UNIX loudspeaker system |
| 00:39.04 | Azar | :) write used to work on 2.4 kernel now it seems stucked or there are different way of usage of write on 2.6 |
| 00:39.06 | nailbiter | patter: you know, 'updatedb' runs every night on most systems; it sweeps the entire filesystem with 'find'. that'd screw up access times .. |
| 00:39.14 | patter | ah |
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| 00:40.12 | nailbiter | Azar: sorry .. wouldn't really know why. :) |
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| 00:41.01 | Azar | nailbiter, the issue is that I am on tty1 and my pal is on pts/15 and somehow the system will not find his location |
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| 00:41.16 | dumbintel | how can I edit my debian menu's, like add a program to it |
| 00:41.18 | hacim | is raid-5 with only 3 drives useless? |
| 00:41.34 | Meth[Linux] | no |
| 00:41.45 | nailbiter | Azar: is his terminal writeable? use 'mesg' to check. if it's not writeable, do 'mesg y'. |
| 00:41.46 | Meth[Linux] | why would it be? |
| 00:41.50 | Meth[Linux] | it's the minimum though |
| 00:42.23 | hacim | Meth[Linux]: if a drive fails, can it just be replaced? or is having 4 giving you more protection? |
| 00:42.24 | thomas_adam | nailbiter: you can pipe to wall. you have to do: wall foo ^D |
| 00:42.47 | Azar | nailbiter, I get messages from him but he say he does not get any of my messages to him |
| 00:42.53 | Meth[Linux] | hacim: Yes, if a drive fails in a 3 disk raid 5 array it can be replaced |
| 00:42.55 | buster_ | how can I use the ordinary "bios console" in debian, instead of this virtual stuff? |
| 00:43.06 | buster_ | hope anyone understand what I mean |
| 00:43.14 | sussudio | !confuse buster_ |
| 00:43.15 | dpkg | yes, who was my hamster tomorrow, buster_? by order of the people's republic of tahiti with extra cheese |
| 00:43.25 | Azar | wow |
| 00:43.27 | nailbiter | thomas_adam: ^D seemed to be ignored by his terminal for some reason. piping into wall(1) worked, though. :) |
| 00:43.47 | Meth[Linux] | hacim: RAID 5 only works if one disk fails... no matter if you have 3 or 15 disks in the array |
| 00:43.55 | buster_ | heh, thanks alot :)= |
| 00:44.17 | nailbiter | Azar: have him do a 'mesg y' first (to make his terminal writeable), then try again. |
| 00:44.18 | buster_ | I'll just read then... |
| 00:44.26 | Meth[Linux] | hacim: So in a way, as far as stability 3 disks are more stable than more disks because the odds of multiple disks failing at the same time are less. |
| 00:44.38 | blissex | hacim: actually the more drives you have the less protection you have. |
| 00:44.50 | Azar | thank you nailbiter :) I appreciate |
| 00:45.02 | nailbiter | buster_: what do you mean by 'BIOS console'? you want to actually jump into your BIOS's setup utility from the Linux console? |
| 00:45.21 | Meth[Linux] | hacim: however as you add more disks you get greater efficiency in storage space... because essentially only one disk is ever needed for parity. |
| 00:45.33 | blissex | hacim: not just probabilistically like Meth[Linux] says... Because you hve less redundancy. But that actually is also proabilistic... |
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| 00:45.54 | nailbiter | Azar: if you're sick of using 'echo | write' to communicate, install the 'ytalk' package and do 'ytalk <username>' to chat with him. |
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| 00:46.05 | Skorp | Hi, could someone help me install nVidia 6101 drivers o_O ? |
| 00:46.12 | PhotonX | can anyone recommend me a good gtk apt-get frontend? |
| 00:46.19 | blissex | Meth[Linux]: you see the problem with what you say: in theory one could have just one partity disk on Earth, and everybody could have RAID5 :-) |
| 00:46.29 | nailbiter | PhotonX: 'synaptic'? |
| 00:46.33 | PhotonX | thanks |
| 00:46.37 | Skorp | The nvidia-installer isn't compatible with 2.6.7 kernel and it doesn't compile the nvidia-kernel module :P |
| 00:46.40 | Azar | nailbiter, that would be too advanced for me, I am just learning debian/linux in console mode, this would have been the simplest messenger |
| 00:46.41 | Skorp | any suggjestions ? |
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| 00:46.44 | PhotonX | nailbiter: can i apt-get install synaptic? |
| 00:46.52 | nailbiter | PhotonX: yes |
| 00:47.01 | PhotonX | nailbiter: hehe cool, thanks |
| 00:47.21 | nailbiter | Azar: fair enough. have fun :) |
| 00:47.21 | Meth[Linux] | blissex: One parity disk (per array) |
| 00:47.22 | blissex | Skorp: try reading the 'README', try reading various HOWTOS, try #nvidia, but just get the prebuilt NVIDIA .deb and dont try to install it yourself unless you are a guru, and then you should not be asking here. |
| 00:47.26 | Azar | :) |
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| 00:47.35 | Meth[Linux] | blissex: better? |
| 00:47.37 | Skorp | =] |
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| 00:47.58 | Noid | !tell Skorp about nvidia-howto |
| 00:48.12 | Skorp | blissex: I tryed the rtfm stuff, but I doubt that u can get a .deb with nvidia-kernel |
| 00:48.35 | Skorp | Noid: 6101 ver :) |
| 00:48.36 | blissex | Meth[Linux]: not really, because it is a matter of ``dilution''. The idea is that ``parity'' is reundancy. Having 1/Nth of redundancy for N-->inf is not awesome. |
| 00:48.42 | nailbiter | Skorp: try /msg dpkg nvidia debs |
| 00:48.46 | The_Vulture | Skorp: nvidia-kernel-source (debian package) works fine for me.. |
| 00:48.53 | The_Vulture | (even on 2.6.7) |
| 00:48.58 | Skorp | wow :) |
| 00:49.02 | The_Vulture | and previous iterations of 2.6 and 2.4 |
| 00:49.06 | Noid | Skorp: stop doubting and read that howto, then... and it's 6101, unbeliever |
| 00:49.08 | thomas_adam | sussudio: http://www.neptuners.com/computerrat.htm |
| 00:49.17 | The_Vulture | been building it as per the README for years |
| 00:49.20 | Skorp | wow |
| 00:49.25 | Skorp | thnx ppl :) |
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| 00:50.37 | Ugly_Duck | nailbiter: thanks, that tune2fs is what i wanted.. |
| 00:51.28 | Meth[Linux] | blissex: I don't see your point. I already stated that you get less protection with more disks but you do only get essentially one disk of parity per array in a RAID 5 implementation. |
| 00:51.37 | Ugly_Duck | .ÿÿ ÿÿ <-- i have a directory like that.. i am wondering how it got there..and how i get rid of it? |
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| 00:52.39 | sussudio | Ugly_Duck: do not worry about the .ÿÿ ÿÿ dir. it doesn't exist. the FBI is not at your door right now. that's not knocking you're hearing. |
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| 00:52.47 | nailbiter | Ugly_Duck: it starts with a dot and contains a space? try 'rmdir .*\ *' |
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| 00:53.09 | Ugly_Duck | sussudio: hehehhe.. okies |
| 00:53.15 | Ugly_Duck | nailbiter: i'll try that.. brb |
| 00:53.26 | sussudio | Ugly_Duck: that's also not a full body cavity search you're experiencing. |
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| 00:53.53 | blissex | Meth[Linux]: think of it intuitively: suppose each disk is 80GB. Now compare a 10 disk array and a 1000 disk array: the former has 80GB of redundancy per 0.8 TB of data, the latter has 80GB of redundancy for 80TB of data. The latter, intuitively, seems weaker... |
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| 00:54.06 | blissex | Meth[Linux]: think ``undetected errors''. |
| 00:54.07 | Chris62vw | I can't seem to install pine. I know it's "not free" or whatever, but I want to install it anyway. I forgot what I have to do to install non-free software. Could yall point me in the right direction? Thanks! |
| 00:54.08 | carrett | hi, i'm trying to set up ddclient with a router. it says i have to do this stuff for router config...i don't know exactly what to do. someone help me? |
| 00:54.26 | sussudio | Chris62vw: /msg apt pine |
| 00:54.33 | Chris62vw | sussudio: thanks! |
| 00:54.53 | Chris62vw | sussudio: fair enough! that sounds easy... thanks! |
| 00:55.04 | Vilim | I am trying to do a very very genera regular expression search. I want to search a binary file for the string ABABBBBA where A and B are different hex values, but I don't know what they are. Is this possible? I would want it to return all occurances no matter what A and B are |
| 00:55.14 | rdancer | does anybody know about some public newsserver, preferabily in .cz or europe? |
| 00:55.39 | sussudio | rdancer: google does. |
| 00:55.59 | rdancer | sussudio: without html clutter? |
| 00:56.08 | nailbiter | Vilim: you might just be able to do it with Perl (which supports negations in regular expressions), but i can't think of how off the top of my head |
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| 00:56.18 | Chris62vw | sussudio: strange; apt-get says "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list" when I do a sudo apt-get source pine, though I have two entries in my sources.list |
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| 00:56.20 | maxim5 | I should replace kernel to 2.6.8? |
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| 00:56.27 | rdancer | sussudio: ah, i get it. |
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| 00:56.33 | The_Vulture | Vilim: not sure about engines that do regulare expressions on arbitrary byte values.. |
| 00:56.39 | rdancer | maxim5: yes. |
| 00:56.41 | sussudio | Chris62vw: :-| |
| 00:57.06 | maxim5 | good to know |
| 00:57.08 | Chris62vw | sussudio: yeah, that's what I'm saying :-( doesn't make much sense to me. I imagine this is correct: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free and deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 00:57.21 | Chris62vw | do I need to put the word "source" in there after non-free or something? |
| 00:57.22 | sussudio | Chris62vw: that's not a source source. |
| 00:57.27 | Chris62vw | sussudio: ah |
| 00:57.30 | rdancer | maxim5: unless you don't care about local users reading all your memory. |
| 00:57.38 | Chris62vw | sussudio: where do I found source for source? :-) |
| 00:57.53 | _rene_ | Chris62vw: man source.list |
| 00:57.54 | sussudio | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 00:57.59 | _rene_ | Chris62vw: s/deb/deb-src/ |
| 00:58.05 | Chris62vw | thanks _rene_ I appreciate it |
| 00:58.09 | Chris62vw | and thanks sussudio! |
| 00:58.10 | maxim5 | rdancer:to be honest I don't |
| 00:58.24 | _rene_ | s/source/sources/ |
| 00:58.30 | Ugly_Duck | nailbiter: nope.. that dont work.. says not a directory.. so i tried rm -rf as well.. no error came up but the file is still there |
| 00:58.36 | versuchsanstalt | Chris62vw: make that "man sources.list", with an "s" |
| 00:58.49 | Chris62vw | versuchsanstalt: thanks, I'll read the manual for it |
| 00:58.50 | _rene_ | Chris62vw: I *told* you the solution, so no reason to be sarcastic |
| 00:59.05 | Chris62vw | _rene_: I wasn't being sarcastic one bit |
| 00:59.18 | _rene_ | hmm. ok |
| 00:59.22 | nailbiter | Ugly_Duck: ok. check 'dmesg'; if you see errors about an invalid inode, it means you've got filesystem corruption and that filename is just binary junk. |
| 00:59.27 | Chris62vw | _rene_: some people are genuinely appreciative :-) |
| 00:59.39 | Chris62vw | maybe you guys aren't used to those types here |
| 00:59.41 | Ugly_Duck | nailbiter: ok, thanks; i'll do that right now |
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| 01:00.06 | Ugly_Duck | it will not allow me to login from another machien on the network via ssh but i can login from the console at the server it self? |
| 01:00.15 | Noid | Chris62vw: you can bet on that |
| 01:00.41 | samuel_ | what does "oss compatibility for alsa" mean? |
| 01:00.48 | sussudio | samuel_: badgers |
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| 01:01.35 | epictetus | samuel_: It means alsa but set up so that you can use the standard oss mixers/programs/etc |
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| 01:01.54 | nailbiter | samuel_: oss applications play audio through /dev/dsp. alsa applications use /dev/snd/*. 'oss compatibility for alsa' lets alsa offer the /dev/dsp interface and keep oss applications working .. |
| 01:01.57 | epictetus | alsa is ass-la |
| 01:02.10 | samuel_ | epictetus, so, if i have any oss apps... |
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| 01:02.38 | epictetus | like mixers especially |
| 01:02.38 | maxim5 | "any oss app" should support alsa as well |
| 01:02.48 | epictetus | or stuff that uses the mixer |
| 01:03.07 | lycoste | Does anyone know of a command line utility that lets you download files from a url? wget comes to mind, but i can't choose the file to save it as |
| 01:03.25 | epictetus | maxim5: i thought the mixer worked a bit differently though |
| 01:03.26 | epictetus | ? |
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| 01:03.37 | epictetus | or are they both basically compatible |
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| 01:04.10 | epictetus | lycoste: are you sure? you can do it with lynx for straight html, but you should be able to specify the filename with wget... |
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| 01:04.32 | maxim5 | epictetus:there's a mixer utility for alsa |
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| 01:05.02 | maxim5 | epictetus:as far as I understand it alsa should replace oss, not to get compatible with it |
| 01:05.05 | lycoste | epictetus: I couldn't find any option to allow that in the options. wget --help. wget was made to download sites, not single files? so i'm not sure it has the ability to do that |
| 01:05.12 | epictetus | maxim5: but there are lots of apps (like music recording apps particularly) that might use the mixer.. |
| 01:05.19 | versuchsanstalt | epictetus: what makes you think that ALSA is so crappy ( "ass-la") ? |
| 01:05.20 | epictetus | lycoste: it's -O filoename |
| 01:05.32 | samuel_ | ok, perfect, so is that how i would get gstreamer applications working? gstreamer seems to only work in oss, but then how would sound sound twice at the same time? as in esd style multiple sounds? |
| 01:05.32 | epictetus | versuchsanstalt: it's got too many features |
| 01:05.36 | epictetus | not simple enough |
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| 01:05.58 | samuel_ | is there an alsa-esd-oss? |
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| 01:06.04 | epictetus | lycoste wget definitely can get single files |
| 01:06.05 | directhex | samuel_, gconf-editor, go to /stsem/gstreamer, change the sound sink to alsasink instead of osssink |
| 01:06.16 | versuchsanstalt | epictetus: can you tell me how i can produce a multichannel, multi-application musical composition without jack and alsa? |
| 01:06.57 | directhex | i.e. /system/gstreamer/0.8/default/audiosink = alsasink |
| 01:07.06 | epictetus | versuchsanstalt: well if you have an sblive you can have stuff using multiple dsp devices on the same card with oss.. /dev/dsp1 /dev/dsp2 |
| 01:07.30 | directhex | epictetus, so the kernel should pander to one series of overrated sound cards? |
| 01:07.32 | samuel_ | directhex, did that, to esdsink, didnt work... any ideas? |
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| 01:07.36 | epictetus | and also I believe with sblives you can have multiple applications writing to the same dsp device at once.. pretty sure... |
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| 01:07.57 | directhex | versuchsanstalt, sounds complicated. how about just doing a single channel, with "beeps"? |
| 01:08.12 | directhex | samuel_, i don't touch esd with a barge pole |
| 01:08.14 | versuchsanstalt | epictetus: you are a man of strong faith. |
| 01:08.28 | epictetus | versuchsanstalt: Hehe holdon lemme try it. |
| 01:09.11 | epictetus | shit, my machine with the sblive is unplugged. I'm pretty sure you can output several channels to the same device though. up to 16 or something. |
| 01:09.27 | directhex | <directhex> epictetus, so the kernel should pander to one series of overrated sound cards? |
| 01:09.32 | epictetus | hehe |
| 01:09.34 | epictetus | no |
| 01:09.46 | epictetus | but you've got to admit alsa is bloat |
| 01:09.51 | lycoste | epictetus: Ah, it does work with -O. not with the url i was testing it with, i got an error. I did try -O before, ehhe. just tried it on another website, thanks =) |
| 01:09.52 | epictetus | sure, it gives some nifty features |
| 01:09.55 | epictetus | but at what cost??? |
| 01:10.04 | maxim5 | for free |
| 01:10.13 | directhex | at the cost of eliminating the need for ESD or aRts |
| 01:10.13 | epictetus | megabytes of disk space, wasted |
| 01:10.19 | directhex | which is worth any cost |
| 01:10.23 | epictetus | hehe |
| 01:10.29 | epictetus | I dont use esd or arts :) |
| 01:10.29 | directhex | i have OSS kernel modules wasting space. i demand a refund |
| 01:10.30 | samuel_ | directhex, but then how do you play two soundstreams at once? |
| 01:10.38 | directhex | samuel_, with ALSA? |
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| 01:11.00 | versuchsanstalt | epictetus: disk space shouldn't be an issue on a machine used to produce a cd. |
| 01:11.07 | epictetus | alsa will do software mixing and then output them as one channel to even a crappy single-channel soundcard I think, right |
| 01:11.12 | samuel_ | directhex, alsa plays two at once? |
| 01:11.18 | samuel_ | wow |
| 01:11.19 | versuchsanstalt | epictetus: think multitrack recordings, hi definition, etc... |
| 01:11.23 | samuel_ | revelation |
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| 01:11.45 | directhex | samuel_, it requires a correctly defined /etc/asound.conf, and compliant alsa apps |
| 01:11.56 | epictetus | versuchsanstalt: I rock out with OSS drivers man. I use the soundcard built into my laptop and the mic built into the laptop's screen |
| 01:12.04 | directhex | i.e. some apps are poorly written & don't dmix properly |
| 01:12.13 | carrett | hey, i'm trying to set up a dynamic dns with a router. i want to configure the router to work with ddclient, but i don't know how to get a CLI for router config, as far as i can tell there's only this web-based one. help? |
| 01:12.28 | versuchsanstalt | epictetus: how do you route audio between applications without alsa/jack? |
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| 01:12.49 | epictetus | and when I monitor and record at the same time, I have to manually adjust the alignment of the tracks before mixing them because the soundcard's buffer causes the tracks to not line up |
| 01:13.13 | bluefox83 | how do i mount /dev/hdc (my dvdrw) to /cdrom so i can copy all the mp3's on it to my hard drive? |
| 01:13.15 | epictetus | route audio between applications? Good god man, I'm lucky to get it routed anywhere |
| 01:13.19 | versuchsanstalt | epictetus: that's not an option in a professional studio. |
| 01:13.19 | Ugly_Duck | why would i get "access denied" when i try login to my server from another computer on the lan? the password and user name works at the server console.. hosts.allow and deny are empty |
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| 01:13.40 | directhex | bluefox83, mount /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom |
| 01:13.48 | bluefox83 | ... |
| 01:13.51 | versuchsanstalt | epictetus: try ALSA in conjunction with jack. it can do that for you, even with gui glitz. |
| 01:13.54 | epictetus | do people use linux in professional sound studios? |
| 01:13.59 | debianist | is there a way to mount a linux partiton from a machine in which you have root access? |
| 01:14.07 | directhex | people ought to use BeOS in professional studios. |
| 01:14.08 | samuel_ | directhex, where is asound.conf? cant find it in etc? |
| 01:14.08 | versuchsanstalt | epictetus: sure. |
| 01:14.12 | epictetus | versuchsanstalt: I'll do it my way thankyou. |
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| 01:14.17 | directhex | samuel_, you have to define one. |
| 01:14.17 | versuchsanstalt | epictetus: np |
| 01:14.19 | versuchsanstalt | :) |
| 01:14.21 | nailbiter | Ugly_Duck: first, try 'ssh -v' to have it print debugging messages during connection |
| 01:14.24 | epictetus | my way is more fun :) |
| 01:14.26 | debianist | hi directhex |
| 01:14.27 | epictetus | and has more character |
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| 01:14.41 | epictetus | want to hear the worst part? |
| 01:14.45 | nailbiter | Ugly_Duck: then, look at /var/log/auth.log on the ssh server; it may tell you why authentication failed |
| 01:14.51 | directhex | evening debianist |
| 01:15.05 | epictetus | sometimes, to mix, I play all the tracks and then record off the dsp while they're playing at once |
| 01:15.08 | epictetus | "mix" |
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| 01:15.14 | epictetus | hehehe |
| 01:15.18 | nailbiter | debianist: you want to mount a partition on a remote machine? |
| 01:15.25 | Ugly_Duck | nailbiter: its a backport version of ssh and it says in the auth.log that password failed |
| 01:15.35 | epictetus | the extra digital to analog to digital conversion adds character to the recording. |
| 01:15.36 | samuel_ | directhex, is there a man page? alsa asound dont work |
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| 01:16.18 | debianist | nailbiter : actually just copy files off of it |
| 01:16.21 | directhex | samuel_, there's the alsa wiki. or i can paste my file to #flood. took me ages to craft it to my liking, but works well |
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| 01:16.27 | versuchsanstalt | epictetus: that's a cool hobby to have. but do you think that will persuade Emagic Logic users to switch from MacOS to GNU/Linux? I don't think so. but hey, you have your point, although i don't get it. It's ok :-) |
| 01:16.39 | nailbiter | debianist: considered nfs? :) |
| 01:16.42 | directhex | BeOS in the studios, damnit |
| 01:17.17 | epictetus | hehe |
| 01:17.32 | samuel_ | directhex, could you please paste to flood? id like to have a look at it |
| 01:18.15 | nailbiter | debianist: when you installed ssh, did you opt to replace your /etc/pam.d/ssh file? or did you opt instead to leave it as /etc/pam.d/ssh.dpkg-dist? |
| 01:18.30 | epictetus | wiki my diki |
| 01:18.46 | nailbiter | Ugly_Duck: when you installed ssh, did you opt to replace your /etc/pam.d/ssh file? or did you opt instead to leave it as /etc/pam.d/ssh.dpkg-dist? |
| 01:18.49 | nailbiter | debianist: oops -- wrong person |
| 01:19.16 | debianist | nailbiter : didn't touch it |
| 01:19.31 | nailbiter | debianist: sorry -- the ssh thing was for someone else. :) |
| 01:19.40 | Ugly_Duck | nailbiter: its been a while now, i cannot remember; is there a way for me to check this? |
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| 01:20.15 | nailbiter | debianist: if you want to export a filesystem, install nfs-kernel-server, then edit /etc/exports. :) then mount that filesystem via nfs from the box you want it on. |
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| 01:20.42 | debianist | nailbiter : i want to ssh thing :) |
| 01:20.58 | debianist | nailbiter : how can I access it from a the shell like I do it in FISH under KDE ? |
| 01:21.04 | nailbiter | Ugly_Duck: i guess you could just have a close look at the files in /etc/pam.d/ssh*. :) |
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| 01:21.27 | nailbiter | debianist: you want to mount a filesystem over an ssh tunnel? :) |
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| 01:22.30 | debianist | nailbiter : hack no :) just use it's file xfer abilities over a command line tool (sftp??) rather than kde built in fish:// handelr |
| 01:22.34 | nailbiter | debianist: well, if you don't mind using a file transfer app, try 'lftp'. it supports the 'fish' protocol. |
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| 01:23.18 | nailbiter | debianist: if you want to actually use the kde ioslave system from the command line, something like 'kfmclient copy sftp://host/path/file /local/path/' actually work. |
| 01:23.59 | debianist | nailbiter : fish is not a "unique" protocol,. just a gui handler isn't it? |
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| 01:25.23 | nailbiter | debianist: 'fish' is a horrible hack. a kioslave, behind the scenes, does a shell login via ssh, uploads a small fileserver written in perl and then executes that. whatever the fileserver spits out gets piped back over the ssh connection to konqueror .. |
| 01:25.30 | versuchsanstalt | epictetus: may i /msg you? |
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| 01:26.22 | dabreegster | Hey, is downloading, editing, and compiling the source for the login program the only way to change some of the text it displays such as "Login incorrect"? |
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| 01:26.50 | _rene_ | afair yes |
| 01:26.59 | debianist | nailbiter : jesus, didn't realize that. I have used it even on university's unpriviliged account, how come it worked if it has to upload it's perl fileserver? |
| 01:27.11 | _rene_ | this is hardcoded in the source |
| 01:27.14 | nailbiter | dabreegster: yes. |
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| 01:27.29 | dabreegster | nailbiter: ok. apt-src install login should do it, right? |
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| 01:27.55 | nailbiter | debianist: the fileserver runs as you, the unprivileged user. :) it doesn't have to run as root. also, the fileserver's only uploaded for complicated operations; for simple file copies, the kioslave just executes 'cat' on the remote shell. |
| 01:28.05 | nailbiter | dabreegster: 'apt-get source login' |
| 01:28.07 | dabreegster | nailbiter: ok, thanks so much. *reads the manual* |
| 01:28.20 | dabreegster | ok, thanks |
| 01:28.30 | debianist | nailbiter : i'm enlighted. do all kiosalves operate the same way? |
| 01:28.32 | Ugly_Duck | nailbiter: i just removed that version of ssh and then installed the recent woody version.. i guess the backport version has a bug |
| 01:28.45 | nailbiter | Ugly_Duck: and you're now able to log in? |
| 01:29.03 | Ugly_Duck | nailbiter: yea.. i am; thanks for your help |
| 01:29.26 | nailbiter | debianist: no; it's just 'fish'. :) the others are actually much better behaved .. |
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| 01:29.41 | nailbiter | debianist: anyway, do 'kfmclient --commands' if you want to see how you can control kioslaves from the command line. |
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| 01:29.54 | debianist | nailbiter : that's good to hear, anyway pal I oughtta be heading bed. as always nice talking to ya |
| 01:30.03 | nailbiter | debianist: 'night |
| 01:30.07 | debianist | nailbiter : thanks a million of the info |
| 01:30.18 | nailbiter | debianist: np |
| 01:30.20 | debianist | nailbiter : g'night. |
| 01:30.25 | Klementas | can the sarge installer handle pppoe, or will I need to set my dsl router back from bridged mode? |
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| 01:30.33 | debianist | night everybody |
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| 01:31.28 | nailbiter | Ugly_Duck: cool. :) you might want to fire off a quick mail message to the backport maintainer about this .. |
| 01:31.40 | _rene_ | Klementas: yes ;-P |
| 01:31.45 | Ugly_Duck | nailbiter: ahh... okies, i never thought about that |
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| 01:32.01 | Klementas | _rene_: yes to which? |
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| 01:32.28 | m8828 | in my kppp after handshake sounds it sayes pppd dies unexpectedly........any help???????? |
| 01:32.30 | _rene_ | Klementas: this is an or question :) |
| 01:32.42 | _rene_ | Klementas: one of them is right I think :) |
| 01:32.52 | Klementas | got ya |
| 01:33.05 | bluefox83 | how do you kill a defunct application? |
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| 01:33.17 | Quinn_Storm | Hey everyone. Quick question, I figure this isn't really a directly debian question as it seems to be a bios/hardware issue but I might be wrong. I have an older KDS Valiant 5000 series laptop, and no matter how charged the battery is, the APM BIOS always reports 100%, and this also causes the battery to charge very slowly (like 2 days to charge it to where it will last 2 hours, the normal amount of time it should la |
| 01:33.25 | bluefox83 | kill -9 PID doesn't seem to be working.. |
| 01:33.32 | Klementas | _rene_: do you know if I can use my old 2.2 cdroms to install using pppoe, and then update to sarge? |
| 01:33.44 | _rene_ | I doubt that |
| 01:33.55 | _rene_ | potato is ancient |
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| 01:34.09 | Klementas | _rene_: well, I can use the hd installer |
| 01:34.13 | tcsetattr | bluefox, "defunct" means dead. It's already gone. |
| 01:34.27 | _rene_ | and potato->sarge won't work anyway iirc |
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| 01:34.34 | Klementas | ok |
| 01:34.39 | _rene_ | you have to go over woody anyhow so you can install woody anyhow :) |
| 01:34.42 | Quinn_Storm | yeah...and if a process doesn't respond to kill -9, and isn't already dead, it is likely hung on a hardware access, stuck in kernelspace somewhere |
| 01:34.49 | _rene_ | potato->woody->sarge should work |
| 01:35.01 | Klementas | _rene_: but you do know that pppoe is available in the sarge installer? |
| 01:35.07 | _rene_ | but then you could still install woody |
| 01:35.11 | _rene_ | Klementas: I *think* yes |
| 01:35.15 | Klementas | I can't reset my modem from win, I have to do it from linus |
| 01:35.16 | _rene_ | Klementas: but I am not sure... |
| 01:35.16 | Klementas | linux |
| 01:35.40 | Quinn_Storm | oh, btw anyone know a quick way to check your distro version? I've forgotten -.- been doing this too long |
| 01:35.48 | bluefox83 | there a reason why i should be getting input/output errors on all sorts of files, even on cds? |
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| 01:35.51 | directhex | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:35.54 | Klementas | ok, thanks :) |
| 01:36.02 | Quinn_Storm | ty |
| 01:36.16 | bluefox83 | bluefox@debian:~$ cp /cdrom/*.mp3 music |
| 01:36.16 | bluefox83 | cp: reading `/cdrom/8 Stops 7 - Better.mp3': Input/output error |
| 01:36.17 | Quinn_Storm | 3.1 means...? |
| 01:36.52 | tcsetattr | Debian 3.1 is currently testing |
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| 01:37.07 | bluefox83 | man, this is going to take longer than if i just ripped them from regular cd =( |
| 01:37.34 | Quinn_Storm | okay, ty. anyway...back to the other...anyone know anything about my APM issue? |
| 01:37.41 | IceDC571 | hmm.. a friend of mine gave me a script that automatically installs official ati drivers on debian, would any of you happen to know where I could find this script again? |
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| 01:40.52 | Noid | !tell IceDC571 about ati |
| 01:40.58 | Noid | that's all i can think of |
| 01:41.03 | Daehlie | anyone had luck getting wireless internet on unstable working with an ad-hoc network to a windows XP machine with internet connection sharing on? |
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| 01:41.45 | Noid | Daehlie: erhm yes, except for the "internet connection sharing" part |
| 01:42.00 | Daehlie | Noid: that seems to be my problem too |
| 01:42.09 | Daehlie | I have the card configured |
| 01:42.16 | Daehlie | ihave the server configured |
| 01:42.25 | Daehlie | and each sees each other, but no go |
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| 01:42.51 | Noid | Daehlie: to be honest i don't know what that is or does (the internet connection sharing) |
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| 01:43.03 | Daehlie | kk |
| 01:43.03 | Noid | Daehlie: i mean, i've not even tried it |
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| 01:43.22 | Daehlie | perhaps I should just give up and install XP on my laptop |
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| 01:43.42 | Quinn_Storm | so anyone have any idea about my glitch? OH, and that ICS thing as far as I know acts just like a NAT box just so you know |
| 01:43.49 | derek2 | quickie for someone - how do I get xscreensaver to start automatically? I need to start it in an xterm before I can use the "lock" button on the launcher. |
| 01:43.49 | directhex | IceDC571, google for flavio stancha (i think) |
| 01:44.16 | Noid | Daehlie: or perhaps, if you want to share a connection, you should set up a managed network with an AP acting as NAT |
| 01:45.16 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, add it to your XSession? (not sure these days which script it goes in, haven't used X in a while b/c this laptop lost 128MB of its ram in a spontaneous failure) |
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| 01:45.51 | Daehlie | Noid: I would do that, but an AP is like 50 |
| 01:45.53 | Daehlie | dollars |
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| 01:46.02 | derek2 | Quinn: Ok, thanks, that is what I was thinking |
| 01:46.37 | Noid | Daehlie: erhm, actually, you can make a debian box act as an AP |
| 01:46.53 | Quinn_Storm | derek2: sure, no big deal |
| 01:47.06 | mdh | derek2: just add a line like "xscreensaver -nosplash&" to ~/.xsession |
| 01:47.21 | Quinn_Storm | there we go, now someone who has used X recently |
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| 01:47.45 | mdh | or, perhaps, right now ;) |
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| 01:48.21 | Noid | hmmm gotta get me some fancy ipv6 addresses like that d-: |
| 01:48.23 | mdh | though does lifting my hand off the keyboard and into the packet of chips constitute failure to be using X? |
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| 01:48.50 | Quinn_Storm | lol, well I just hate that the 128MB upgrade (bought at premium price by the laptop's previous owner) just randomly failed. |
| 01:48.52 | paddy | hi folks |
| 01:49.01 | Noid | mdh: no, but it sure constitutes failure to keep the keyboard clean |
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| 01:49.33 | mdh | hey, i always lick my fingers clean before touching the keys! |
| 01:49.35 | derek2 | mdh: If I want it for all users, can I put it into the /etc/X11/Xsession? |
| 01:49.42 | mdh | derek2: yes |
| 01:49.44 | Quinn_Storm | sounds right to me, derek2 |
| 01:49.48 | derek2 | mdh: cool, thanks. |
| 01:49.52 | paddy | i had a working 2.4.26 kernel, then patched the source with grsec, booted it and get this: |
| 01:49.53 | paddy | loading linux... | uncompressing linux ... | crc error | --- system haltet |
| 01:50.00 | paddy | the problem now is: |
| 01:50.09 | paddy | exactly the same happens when i boot the old kernel also |
| 01:50.13 | Noid | mdh: remind me to not even dare approach your keyboard then (; |
| 01:50.17 | paddy | any ideas whats wrong? |
| 01:50.26 | derek2 | any recommendations on a good irc client, not kde or gnome? (I'm running xfce) |
| 01:50.36 | Quinn_Storm | sounds like your lilo/grub config points both options to the same kernel. Have you checked that? |
| 01:50.45 | mdh | derek2: irssi |
| 01:50.58 | paddy | Quinn_Storm, i cant check cause i cant boot :) |
| 01:51.12 | Quinn_Storm | try a boot-disk, mount root=/dev/hd?? |
| 01:51.19 | Quinn_Storm | well not "mount" but you get my idea |
| 01:51.26 | Quinn_Storm | stupid slackware crowding my brain |
| 01:51.30 | Noid | derek2: irssi |
| 01:51.49 | paddy | Quinn_Storm, is there a way to fix it when i use the debian install cd? |
| 01:51.51 | derek2 | irssi it is. Thanks again |
| 01:51.55 | mdh | Noid, my kbd is very clean compared to some around here... I'm sure I saw moss in one |
| 01:51.57 | paddy | the woody install cd |
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| 01:52.12 | mdh | at least, I think it was moss. I'm hoping its not 3-yr-old earwax or toejam |
| 01:52.30 | Noid | mdh: if it didn't move, it was nothing |
| 01:52.36 | Quinn_Storm | you can use the CD as a rescue disk to boot your system, the same way as if you were using a floppy, just edit the boot line to say "root=/dev/hd??" where ?? is something like 'a1' or 'a2' or whatever, your boot partition |
| 01:52.50 | carrett | hi, i'm trying to use ddclient behind a router, but instead of it updating to the proper ip, it sends 192.168.1.1.x, what should i do to fix this? I can't telnet the router and it has no COM port...only the web-based config utility. |
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| 01:53.41 | Quinn_Storm | the router -should- set your IP to 192.169.1.x, it's a NAT box, but...what is ddclient? that I don't happen to know |
| 01:53.58 | Noid | carrett: well, if the web based utility doesn't allow you to do NAT, then i think you should get another router that does |
| 01:54.27 | Noid | carrett: wait, were you talking about outgoing or incoming packets? |
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| 01:54.40 | carrett | Noid, well, i think it's just a matter of getting ddclient to query the external ip and use that instead of the one inside the router. |
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| 01:55.21 | comex | I get a glx error when using nv instead of nvidia |
| 01:55.42 | x12H4x02l33t02x | then use nvidia :) |
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| 01:56.04 | mdh | comex: the "nv" driver isn't capable of (hardware-accellerated) GLX |
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| 01:56.07 | derek2 | carret: I think I've read about people hitting the web interface with lynx, sed'ing the output or whatever to find the external ip and then using it in ddclient |
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| 01:56.10 | samuel | sup all |
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| 01:56.14 | comex | then how do I not use glx? |
| 01:56.19 | Noid | carrett: well, i don't know what ddclient does |
| 01:56.29 | goMac|PB | Does anyone know a way to unpack WISE installers in Linux? |
| 01:56.33 | derek2 | carret: I think there might even be something on freshmeat that does it, or some shell script |
| 01:56.43 | carrett | derek2, cool, i'll check that out |
| 01:56.48 | Noid | comex: afaik, uncomment that line in the X config file, but i don't think it is a good idea |
| 01:56.51 | mdh | comex: unload the glx module from your X server, don't try to run any opengl apps |
| 01:56.55 | samuel | short of getting rid of rhythmbox i have no idea how to get it working with alsa? anyone here got rhythmbox working with alsa? alsa works fine, no problems there |
| 01:57.28 | comex | but why can't I run opengl apps without hardware acceleration? |
| 01:57.42 | Quinn_Storm | Hey everyone. Quick question, I figure this isn't really a directly debian question as it seems to be a bios/hardware issue but I might be wrong. I have an older KDS Valiant 5000 series laptop, and no matter how charged the battery is, the APM BIOS always reports 100%, and this also causes the battery to charge very slowly (like 2 days to charge it to where it will last 2 hours, the normal amount of time it should la |
| 01:57.44 | x12H4x02l33t02x | comment out the load "glx" then |
| 01:57.53 | mdh | comex: you can, but I've seen faster molasses |
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| 01:58.09 | pipeline | goMac|PB: Hmm, most installers are just MS cabinet files. Is WISE an unusual format? |
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| 01:58.37 | comex | how? |
| 01:59.19 | goMac|PB | pipeline: I'm trying to install Homeworld |
| 01:59.32 | xam | comex: apt-cache search mesa-gl |
| 01:59.34 | goMac|PB | I'm actually trying to make a Linux/OS X installer |
| 01:59.43 | Quinn_Storm | btw, anyone got a line on cheap PC100 SoDIMMS (256mb or smaller)? |
| 01:59.43 | goMac|PB | but finding a way to read WISE installers would be a start :) |
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| 02:00.04 | x12H4x02l33t02x | u kN0w j00 l33t wH3n u w4tcH t33n t1t4nZ |
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| 02:00.31 | directhex | !nickomoter x12H4x02l33t02x |
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| 02:01.02 | g4lt | kill him now |
| 02:01.02 | xam | !nickometer x12H4x02l33t02x |
| 02:01.02 | dpkg | 'x12H4x02l33t02x' is 99.9758% lame, xam |
| 02:01.03 | comex | it still tries to use glx though |
| 02:01.14 | x12H4x02l33t02x | everyone evolving to ipv6 y |
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| 02:01.51 | nono | is there an equivalent to dreamweaver (or webexpert for people who knows it) in linux? |
| 02:01.56 | xam | x12H4x02l33t02x envy? |
| 02:02.09 | x12H4x02l33t02x | d34rLy |
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| 02:02.10 | g4lt | xam do NOT feed the trolls |
| 02:02.31 | comex | or is it possible for nvidia to use a resolution above the optimal? |
| 02:02.35 | xam | g4lt: but it's sooo tempting ;) |
| 02:02.41 | x12H4x02l33t02x | t20LLz 2 s3X0r |
| 02:03.19 | Quinn_Storm | I'm curious... |
| 02:03.28 | Quinn_Storm | !nickometer Quinn_Storm |
| 02:03.39 | mdh | comex: everything that attempts to do opengl inside a window will use GLX |
| 02:03.43 | bluefox83 | nono, there are plenty of html editors/tutors in linux if that's what you mean |
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| 02:04.16 | mdh | comex: and resolution is irrelevent (what the hell is "optimal" anyway? surely that depends on the display device?) |
| 02:04.19 | x12H4x02l33t02x | i w1LL dDos this server l33t0 |
| 02:04.33 | nono | bluefox83: yeap, I'd like a good one |
| 02:04.47 | Thrawn | im having installation issues, and i want to fill out a bug report, however, I cannot get lspci to work (daily debian-installer).. I cant find the file at all |
| 02:04.52 | x12H4x02l33t02x | - |
| 02:04.57 | x12H4x02l33t02x | negative |
| 02:04.57 | bluefox83 | nono, try bluefish |
| 02:04.58 | nono | bluefox83: with completion or html tag list thign |
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| 02:05.10 | comex | I meant what the screen thinks is optimum, which is 1024x768. nvidia will not use a higher resolution for that. |
| 02:05.23 | xam | Thrawn: apt-get install pciutils |
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| 02:06.04 | bluefox83 | Thrawn, did you ever use the scifi.com server? |
| 02:06.13 | Thrawn | xam: im in an installation and I dont have an packages set up (its not detecting my hard drive controlers) |
| 02:06.24 | mdh | comex: you can tell the X server to use any resolution you want. if you fry your gear though, tough bikkies |
| 02:06.36 | xam | Thrawn: SATA disk drive? |
| 02:06.43 | Thrawn | bluefox: no |
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| 02:07.05 | Quinn_Storm | well you can tell it any res you want within the specs you entered for your monitor, it has very little to do with the video card as most modern ones can do up to 1600 or more |
| 02:07.14 | comex | I did, and nv will use it, but nvidia under the same settings refuses to, it uses 1024x768 or won't start if not specified. |
| 02:07.15 | Thrawn | xam: yes, i have 2 controllers, its detecting one, but not the other (the one I want is what I want to use s a system drive) |
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| 02:08.08 | Thrawn | sorry, im tired, heh... the one its NOT detecting, is the one that I want to use as a system drive |
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| 02:08.34 | xam | here comes the whole 3ffe:bc0:8000/48 net ... one by one ;) |
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| 02:08.59 | Thrawn | ive posted on mailing lists for help, but no one replied (in 3 days), so i thought I would fill out a bug report |
| 02:09.19 | Thrawn | ? |
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| 02:09.45 | derek2 | Thrawn: can you move the drive to the other controller, install a base system then move the hardware back? |
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| 02:09.48 | SharkY | hi |
| 02:09.50 | xam | Thrawn: I'm sorry I can't be of any help, since I don't use SATA and have no expirience with it ... I'm more a SCSI guy |
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| 02:11.10 | marga | HI! I'm using mozilla-firefox, gnome2.6 and flashplayer 7, and I get no sound for flash animations... Although I have sounds for everything else in the system. Is this a normal behaviour? Is there a way to fix it? |
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| 02:11.19 | Thrawn | derek: Im kinda new to sata also... I wasnt sure how the controller would handle that (because I wanted to RAID it)... i guess its worth a shot, but I still want to file a bugreport? |
| 02:11.36 | pingouin | anyone here already tried the realplayer10 for linux ? |
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| 02:12.12 | derek2 | Thrawn: Are you sure that the raid bios isn't just presenting both drives as one to the OS? |
| 02:12.14 | pingouin | and i wonder if there is an alternative for .ram than to put realplayer binary ? |
| 02:12.20 | chitiri | marga: i have the same problmem |
| 02:12.43 | derek2 | Thrawn: my highpoint shows both drives as one big one to linux - its all in hardware |
| 02:12.45 | Thrawn | derek: yeah cuz my server provider gave it to me with redhat, fully installed and running |
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| 02:12.54 | marga | chitiri: so, you've already asked and noone had an answer? |
| 02:13.16 | Quinn_Storm | marga: I don't know if this is any help, as I've never dealt with it, but perhaps you are running a sound-server (esd, aRts) that flashplayer doesn't understand? |
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| 02:13.23 | Thrawn | derek: aye but if I raid it on one controller, will the second controller handle the raid OK? |
| 02:13.31 | Thrawn | (when i switch it) |
| 02:13.40 | Gnea | anyone know if there are any firefox 0.9.3 .deb's? |
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| 02:14.19 | marga | Quinn_Storm: well, I'm thinking that it's an ALSA problem, but I don't know where to change anything... How is flash player supposed to access the sound device? Directly to /dev/dsp ? |
| 02:14.54 | mdh | Gnea: no |
| 02:14.56 | Quinn_Storm | marga=well I just don't know, I've not used flashplayer recently, if you are using ALSA, then that could be a problem too. Are you running a sound-server? and if it is going to access directly it will use /dev/dsp |
| 02:15.15 | derek2 | Thrawn: My highpoint raid bios was confusing to set up, but once I figured out the engrish I got it going. You might just have to try it and see if at the end of a base install you see the drives as you want them from debian |
| 02:15.41 | derek2 | Thrawn: Not sure if all that playing around is something you want to do though... I was pretty determined |
| 02:16.00 | marga | Quinn_Storm: neither arts no esd seem to be running. I have the oss emulation modules, and I have access to /dev/dsp... What else can I check? |
| 02:16.06 | chitiri | marga: no, haven't asked here |
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| 02:16.58 | t-jack | Can y'all believe the nick t jack fuckAOL is already taken as an AIM nick? |
| 02:16.59 | Thrawn | derek: ill try it, i dont wanna ship back this server cuz i cant get the damn controller to work.. i guess worst case Ill order another 3ware card (because thats the one thats working) |
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| 02:17.21 | directhex | marga, flash is broken OSS nonsense. ensure no sounds are playing, start a NEW browser having closed the old ones, then go to the page in question. |
| 02:17.22 | Quinn_Storm | marga: have you checked for any sort of log messages or error messages? try launching your browser from a terminal window so you can see its output, and then see when flashplayer loads if it gives errors. Also check the output of dmesg and your various /var/log's |
| 02:18.01 | derek2 | Thrawn: good luck. :-) |
| 02:18.19 | marga | directhex: how do I "ensure no sounds are playing" ? I have no music, the only sound are the gaim events, should I disable them? I don't think it would change anything... |
| 02:18.50 | marga | Quinn_Storm: ok, I'll do that. I didn't think flash would log anything... Let's see. |
| 02:19.03 | sgeigerbot | Does anyone know the Firefox .9 syntax for this pre-.9 command: /usr/bin/mozilla -remote "openurl($URL,new-tab)" |
| 02:19.05 | scarynetworkguy | marga: are you using KDE? |
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| 02:19.12 | Caelum | is there any way to configure what options esd uses when it's started by gnome? |
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| 02:19.34 | marga | scarynetworkguy: GNOME 2.6 |
| 02:20.01 | Thrawn | derek, xam: thx for your input :) |
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| 02:21.02 | marga | It worked from the console :-\ |
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| 02:21.11 | Quinn_Storm | the flashplayer sound worked? |
| 02:21.14 | ford | im using debian woody satble im install netsaint using apt-get insatll netsaint , how can i view netsaint in web interface |
| 02:21.15 | t-jack | Anyone here got an AIM account? |
| 02:21.16 | g4lt | again? |
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| 02:21.17 | x12H4x02l33t02x | debian is f0r n00bz |
| 02:21.21 | g4lt | !ops |
| 02:21.21 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
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| 02:21.30 | sgeigerbot | !gurus |
| 02:21.35 | helix | x12H4x02l33t02x: cut it out |
| 02:21.42 | x12H4x02l33t02x | debian is f0r da weak |
| 02:21.43 | Quinn_Storm | marge:check the options your launcher is using (assuming you mean the sound worked when you launched from a terminal) |
| 02:21.45 | helix | oh I see |
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| 02:22.02 | ford | im using debian woody satble im install netsaint using apt-get insatll netsaint , how can i view netsaint in web interface |
| 02:22.08 | g4lt | thanks helix |
| 02:22.12 | directhex | why thank you, helix |
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| 02:22.32 | helix | g4lt: yeah, sorry, I didn't see all the trolling until after I told him to cut it out |
| 02:22.34 | Quinn_Storm | marga* |
| 02:22.38 | sgeigerbot | ford: http://localhost/cgi-bin/netsaint/statusmap.cgi |
| 02:23.06 | ford | do i need to add something in my httpd.conf |
| 02:23.12 | g4lt | 'salright, you all usually don't listen to me anyways ;) |
| 02:23.35 | sgeigerbot | ford: does it work now or not? |
| 02:23.48 | ford | ill try wait |
| 02:24.02 | sgeigerbot | ford: you are a fucking moron...why don't you try things before you waste my time? |
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| 02:24.13 | t-jack | Debian users are a bunch of wakkos... |
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| 02:24.21 | t-jack | At least, I am. |
| 02:24.21 | Quinn_Storm | sgeigerbot: there's no reason for that sort of language or treatment |
| 02:24.27 | g4lt | t-jack and you're one of them ;P |
| 02:24.28 | ford | sorry <sgeigerbot> |
| 02:24.36 | marga | Quinn_Storm: sorry, yes, the sound worked when I started the browser from the console, I don't get it. |
| 02:24.43 | ndowens | well i just emailed the place where i ordered the sid cds and see if they could send me sarge instead since it will probably have less problems |
| 02:24.44 | sgeigerbot | Quinn_Storm: There's no reason...but it still pissed me off. |
| 02:24.58 | g4lt | mumblemumbleBastardStoleMyPunchlinemumblemumble |
| 02:25.03 | t-jack | g4lt: Note my qualification above. :) |
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| 02:25.31 | Skorp | Hey, how do u stop X from running @ startup :)) ? |
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| 02:25.52 | t-jack | Skorp: runlevel |
| 02:25.54 | sgeigerbot | Skorp: apt-get remove (xdm|gdm|kdm) |
| 02:25.55 | Quinn_Storm | sgeigerbot: sometimes helping people is reminding them to try things. |
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| 02:26.03 | Skorp | t-jack: details ;] |
| 02:26.12 | t-jack | Skorp: runlevel lower |
| 02:26.20 | directhex | :| |
| 02:26.22 | Skorp | t-jack: I use init 2 ;]] |
| 02:26.24 | g4lt | t-jack uhm NO |
| 02:26.26 | sgeigerbot | Skorp: you get a login screen when it starts, right? IF so, see my last suggestion. |
| 02:26.30 | g4lt | !nodm |
| 02:26.32 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:26.32 | directhex | runlevels are for deadrat |
| 02:26.41 | Skorp | sgeigerbot: I wan't X to be installed :P |
| 02:26.51 | Skorp | but I don't wan't it to run @ startup |
| 02:26.59 | sgeigerbot | Skorp: That's not what you said the first time. (See my comment about morons above.) |
| 02:27.06 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: someone hold me back! |
| 02:27.12 | t-jack | g4lt: So I was lied to. Good thing I haven't tryed it. |
| 02:27.12 | sgeigerbot | :-)) |
| 02:27.13 | g4lt | Skorp then don't install xdm or its bretheren |
| 02:27.20 | Skorp | ;-]] |
| 02:27.23 | Skorp | kk |
| 02:27.26 | sgeigerbot | !lart Skorp |
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| 02:28.12 | lordrazix | Skorp: well, you could still have xmd/gdm/kdm installed, but just remove them from the services that run when your computer starts. |
| 02:28.30 | Skorp | lordrazix: ok how do u do that =)) |
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| 02:28.46 | bluefox83 | how do i get a list of all partitions on a specified hard drive? |
| 02:28.52 | Caelum | what was the name of the gnome registry editor thingie |
| 02:28.58 | bluefox83 | ie /dev/hdb |
| 02:28.59 | directhex | gconf-editor |
| 02:29.00 | Caelum | bluefox83: cfdisk /dev/hdX |
| 02:29.04 | Caelum | directhex: thank you |
| 02:29.11 | scarynetworkguy | bluefox83: fdisk -l |
| 02:29.14 | lordrazix | Skorp: go to /etc/init.d and read the readme |
| 02:29.22 | bluefox83 | debian:/sbin# ls -l |
| 02:29.22 | bluefox83 | ls: mkfs.minix: Input/output error |
| 02:29.22 | bluefox83 | ls: mkfs.cramfs: Input/output error |
| 02:29.22 | bluefox83 | ls: mkfs: Input/output error |
| 02:29.22 | bluefox83 | ls: cfdisk: Input/output error |
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| 02:29.35 | bluefox83 | ls: discover-modprobe: Input/output error |
| 02:29.37 | bluefox83 | total 3020 |
| 02:29.39 | bluefox83 | that was fun |
| 02:29.43 | bluefox83 | anyways |
| 02:29.48 | bluefox83 | i think those things are corrupt |
| 02:29.49 | lordrazix | Skorp: I also came across a package to make it easier to manage the services, sysv-rc-conf |
| 02:29.55 | bluefox83 | so..that's why they don't work |
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| 02:30.39 | Skorp | :) |
| 02:30.50 | sgeigerbot | ford: Did it work? |
| 02:31.13 | Skorp | ghm anyway to temporarily disable X? I mean kill x :)) ctrl+alt+backspace only restarts it :/ |
| 02:31.26 | ford | sgeigerbot: thanks yup its works |
| 02:31.41 | sgeigerbot | Skorp: Shut off the DM. Use rcconf. |
| 02:31.52 | Quinn_Storm | Skorp: you can kill -9 your dm if you want a very quick solution |
| 02:32.10 | sgeigerbot | ford: I apologize for going off on you. I should have saved it all for Skorp. |
| 02:32.19 | directhex | Skorp, /etc/init.d/(x|k|g)dm stop |
| 02:32.20 | Skorp | ;]] |
| 02:32.20 | scarynetworkguy | better is /etc/init.d/*dm stop |
| 02:32.30 | directhex | yay i beat scarynetworkguy |
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| 02:33.01 | ford | <sgeigerbot>no problem ,, sorry again |
| 02:33.02 | ford | <sgeigerbot>no problem ,, sorry again |
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| 02:34.18 | scarynetworkguy | Skorp: what *dm do you have installed? |
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| 02:34.45 | Skorp | dunno really :))) |
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| 02:35.18 | Skorp | default one .. ? |
| 02:35.25 | directhex | :| |
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| 02:35.36 | marga | Skorp: it's probably gdm. Does it look like a GTK/Gnome thingie? |
| 02:35.59 | sgeigerbot | Skorp: Run this command: dpkg --list | egrep '(xdm|kdm|gdm)' |
| 02:36.08 | sgeigerbot | Skorp: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 02:36.08 | Skorp | erm It's just a plain window interface ;) |
| 02:36.18 | sgeigerbot | Skorp: write that info down. (or copy it!) |
| 02:36.30 | sgeigerbot | Skorp: RUN THAT COMMAND. |
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| 02:37.10 | Skorp | xdm o_O |
| 02:37.16 | Skorp | X display manager |
| 02:37.39 | Skorp | when I use the *dm stop thingy it says it aint running |
| 02:37.55 | marga | Skorp: what you have to do is /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
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| 02:38.09 | fcrick | how do i do a dns lookup? |
| 02:38.12 | marga | the * was replacing the missing x in the xdm name. |
| 02:38.16 | Skorp | xdm not runing |
| 02:38.18 | marga | fcrick: with dig ? |
| 02:38.23 | fcrick | with anything |
| 02:38.24 | Skorp | but when u press alt+f7 it gives u X |
| 02:38.29 | sgeigerbot | Skorp: sudo update-rc.d xdm remove |
| 02:38.31 | fcrick | whats the unix defualt |
| 02:38.31 | marga | fcrick: dig hostname.com |
| 02:38.41 | fcrick | whats the simple one? |
| 02:38.45 | Skorp | sgeigerbot: and to add it back :) ? |
| 02:38.45 | marga | fcrick: you also have nslookup, but it's not nice. |
| 02:38.46 | fcrick | like nslookup |
| 02:39.01 | sgeigerbot | Skorp: use "defaults" instead of "remove" |
| 02:39.05 | Azar | good night and thank everyone who has helped |
| 02:39.09 | fcrick | can't find dig |
| 02:39.10 | Skorp | oh |
| 02:39.12 | Skorp | thnx ;) |
| 02:39.18 | fcrick | isn't there like 'hostlookup or something? |
| 02:39.22 | sgeigerbot | Skorp: Another answer: now that you know the command, get familiar with the man page. |
| 02:39.27 | marga | fcrick: you probebly have to install dnsutils |
| 02:39.33 | Skorp | kk :) |
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| 02:39.48 | sgeigerbot | Skorp: or get familar with my foot up your ass. |
| 02:39.54 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 02:40.04 | marga | sgeigerbot: may I ask why are you so violent? |
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| 02:40.22 | fcrick | marga: thanks that works |
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| 02:40.25 | scarynetworkguy | fcrick: the 3 big apps are host, dig, nslookup |
| 02:40.28 | Skorp | :) |
| 02:40.37 | sgeigerbot | marga: I'm not always this way. I don't know. Just a mood. |
| 02:40.44 | sgeigerbot | !kill marga |
| 02:40.49 | marga | sgeigerbot: ok. |
| 02:40.51 | mdefall | sgeigerbot: where can I get some help on building the package? |
| 02:41.02 | sgeigerbot | mdefall: which one? |
| 02:41.11 | mdefall | sgeigerbot: where can I get some help on building a package from source files. |
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| 02:41.37 | sgeigerbot | mdefall: To get source code: just prefix lines of /etc/apt/sources.list with "deb-src" instead of "deb" (ie, copy a line, and change the line to "deb-src" instead of "deb") and then do "apt-get update" and finally "apt-get source <package>". |
| 02:41.52 | sgeigerbot | mdefall: also: apt-get -b source <package> apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 02:41.54 | scarynetworkguy | Mr. Putter |
| 02:42.05 | scarynetworkguy | Give it a girls name..... Mom |
| 02:42.07 | mdefall | cool |
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| 02:42.44 | nullvoid | hi |
| 02:42.50 | sgeigerbot | scarynetworkguy: that wasn't nice. |
| 02:42.58 | scarynetworkguy | sgeigerbot: yea but it was fun :) |
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| 02:43.25 | sgeigerbot | marga: Just for the record, Skorp was being very dumb. |
| 02:43.33 | nullvoid | I can't create adduser for a user with . (dot) example john.rambo even I try with forcebadname option.... how |
| 02:43.36 | scarynetworkguy | yes he was |
| 02:44.00 | sgeigerbot | nullvoid: try useradd |
| 02:44.34 | marga | sgeigerbot: well, yes, he was. But I don't think it justifies filling the channel with violence... Have you never been dumb yourself? |
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| 02:45.07 | sgeigerbot | marga: I've gotten my share of beatings. |
| 02:45.08 | sgeigerbot | Quoting from the Linux IRC Zen Manual: "When you ask a question as a result of an answer, you are making the first step towards enlightenment. However, there are many more steps to be made. Before externalizing your question, experiment more, asking for clarifications only after you have experimented or read the documentation. Learn to soak up information on your own. You will learn more...and receive fewer beatings." |
| 02:45.15 | sgeigerbot | scarynetworkguy: no shit. |
| 02:45.30 | nullvoid | sgeigerbot: echo "useradd --gecos \"$STFN,$CPNY\" $STEA" | sh <--- not working, it doesn't stop at password prompt |
| 02:45.33 | sgeigerbot | !lart marga |
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| 02:45.41 | marga | scarynetworkguy: I'm not new. I'm just in a peace and love mood. |
| 02:45.44 | mwilson | nullvoid: Why would it? Why should it? |
| 02:45.54 | sgeigerbot | nullvoid: no idea. Can you edit /etc/passwd after creating the user? |
| 02:45.56 | nullvoid | mwilson: ?? |
| 02:46.14 | mwilson | nullvoid: Why would you be piping into sh? |
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| 02:46.29 | sgeigerbot | nullvoid: what were you trying to do in that last command? |
| 02:46.39 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: Ancient ritual? |
| 02:46.50 | marga | sgeigerbot: oh, please. That's just what I'm trying to avoid. It's easier if we treat each other politely. |
| 02:47.00 | scarynetworkguy | marga: sometimes the only way to help a luser is to kill them. Life is just that way sometimes |
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| 02:47.12 | nullvoid | I am creating a script to create a user for my e-mail |
| 02:47.19 | sgeigerbot | marga: Well, hon, I agree. Truly. Thing is, this is the Internet, and there's a somewhat different culture here. |
| 02:47.26 | marga | scarynetworkguy: well, that's not what I think, really. |
| 02:47.39 | nullvoid | I had tried many ways even using $() but end up the same |
| 02:47.40 | mwilson | nullvoid: So? What does that have to do with trying to pipe a command into sh rather than just executing the command? |
| 02:47.46 | sgeigerbot | !srt marga |
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| 02:47.59 | scarynetworkguy | hehe |
| 02:48.00 | nullvoid | it doesn't work.... so I am trying around |
| 02:48.21 | liu7 | can you use both a usb mouse and a psx mouse in x? |
| 02:48.24 | mwilson | nullvoid: Uh, what do you mean "it doesn't work"? Of course useradd works. |
| 02:48.28 | sgeigerbot | liu7: yes |
| 02:48.29 | liu7 | psaux |
| 02:48.30 | liu7 | how? |
| 02:48.30 | JoePenguin | nullvoid: you don't need to echo "useradd ..." into sh. Just run useradd directly |
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| 02:48.50 | marga | sgeigerbot: well, yes, maybe... But, we are supposed to be defending a lot of ideals "debian will always be free" and so on, that are based on the "community". How are we going to construct a community, when you keep insulting the people that are talking to you? |
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| 02:49.05 | nullvoid | JoePenguin: yes... but I am trying around since it doesn't work |
| 02:49.09 | myXtie | marga I know a punk rock internet radio station that goes with this channel like dinner and a movie ( or would that be beating ) |
| 02:49.18 | mwilson | nullvoid: Except that it does work, of course. |
| 02:49.29 | dabreegster | Hey, can hostnames have the first letter capitalized without running into any problems? |
| 02:49.31 | sgeigerbot | liu7: Just create another InputDevice |
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| 02:49.45 | JoePenguin | dabreegster: yes |
| 02:49.57 | RichiH | dabreegster: i would assume so, though i don't see the point ;) |
| 02:50.17 | sgeigerbot | liu7: At the risk of my beloved neck, I give you this advice: plug in the devices and boot from knoppix. It will show you how to write a /etc/X11/XF85Config-4 file |
| 02:50.17 | dabreegster | RichiH: just a personal style thing:-P |
| 02:50.24 | dabreegster | ok, thanks, guys |
| 02:50.35 | scarynetworkguy | marga: that is the funniest thing I've seen on channel in the last hour :) |
| 02:51.06 | sgeigerbot | marga: I don't know. Ask mwilson. He's been here a hell of a lot longer than me and insulted a lot more people, and, nevertheless, this channel keeps growing. ;-) |
| 02:51.12 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: You have to wonder why people think they need to write one by hand, though. |
| 02:51.15 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: I hope you don't mind my deferring on your expertise in this matter. |
| 02:51.15 | liu7 | nice |
| 02:51.18 | liu7 | I got it :D |
| 02:51.18 | nullvoid | ok I got it working with sh -c |
| 02:51.24 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: Huh? |
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| 02:51.36 | mwilson | nullvoid: There is zero reason to be doing what you're doing. |
| 02:51.48 | mwilson | nullvoid: If you think there is, you are mistaken. |
| 02:52.01 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: Re: write one by hand> What? Are people starting with blank files??? |
| 02:52.04 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: What are you deferring to me about? |
| 02:52.04 | nullvoid | mwilson: so give me alternative |
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| 02:52.15 | marga | scarynetworkguy: ok, whatever. You know what, I was contacted by the "debian-women" team, and asked why I think that there are so few women in Debian, I think that one of the reasons is the violence in the channel and in the mailing-lists. Do you realize how you are hurting people just because they don't have the same "culture" that you do? |
| 02:52.15 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: /lastlog marga |
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| 02:52.34 | mwilson | nullvoid: Alternative to what? There is no reason to not just use the useradd command directly. You don't need to pipe it to a subshell. |
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| 02:52.53 | kerpal23 | thomas_adam: hey thomas, im at a point where I can communicate my problems with cyrus/postfix/webcyradm if your around would love to see what you have to say. |
| 02:52.56 | sgeigerbot | marga: Sorry, I've just had a stressful day. Usually I'm not so rough around the edges. |
| 02:52.58 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: Oh, I put that person on /ignore already. |
| 02:53.06 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: :-) |
| 02:53.07 | zeier | What do I need to convert a wmv to avi, mpg or sth? |
| 02:53.38 | tcsetattr | zeier, mencoder (comes with mplayer) will do it |
| 02:53.39 | SharkY | anybody uses external ieee1394 disk? |
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| 02:53.41 | nullvoid | mwilson: using useradd in my script doesn't work, so, I was trying out, now I use sh -c "useradd ..." and it worked! can you read my line? |
| 02:53.47 | marga | sgeigerbot: sure, that's fine. |
| 02:54.05 | sgeigerbot | zeier: you should be able to play it with mplayer and xine, but I don't know how to convert it. |
| 02:54.20 | scarynetworkguy | sgeigerbot: yes you are :) |
| 02:54.24 | g4lt | SharkY does a CD count? ;) |
| 02:54.36 | sgeigerbot | marga: perhaps if there were more women who were interested in servers there would be more women in #debian. |
| 02:54.43 | mwilson | nullvoid: Yes, I can easily read between the lines and understand that you have no idea what you're doing. That's fine. You're not about to convince anyone that useradd doesn't work, yet the same command line piped to a subshell works just fine. |
| 02:54.53 | marga | sgeigerbot: I had this same conversation with sussdio some days before... It seems it has earned me a few ignores :-\. That's for expressing my opinion... |
| 02:55.01 | sgeigerbot | marga: At least wher I come from this is pretty-much a male-only persuit. |
| 02:55.13 | ford | ive installed the other plugins for netsaint after installing i run the netsaint in web browser it became error like this in the main page .. Error: Could not read host and service status information! ... should i remove the other packages for netsaint plugin or there something wrong with my system |
| 02:55.21 | marga | sgeigerbot: not where I come from. |
| 02:55.23 | sgeigerbot | marga: sussudio is a dork. ;-) He's the last person you want to talk to about these things. |
| 02:55.30 | sgeigerbot | marga: where is that? |
| 02:55.31 | SharkY | g4lt, ? |
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| 02:55.57 | g4lt | 08:53PM <SharkY> anybody uses external ieee1394 disk? |
| 02:56.01 | sgeigerbot | marga: are you using gaim to chat in IRC? If so, you should reconsider. There are better options. |
| 02:56.07 | marga | sgeigerbot: I'm from Argentina, I'm a engineering student, there are not many women, but the ones that are there are more than the all female DDs. |
| 02:56.09 | scarynetworkguy | I figure it's gotta be pretty damn low |
| 02:56.15 | ford | i tried to restart the netsaint and my apache same error again |
| 02:56.31 | sgeigerbot | marga: What are DDs? |
| 02:56.39 | marga | sgeigerbot: Debian Developers. |
| 02:56.45 | SharkY | g4lt, and...? |
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| 02:57.12 | g4lt | SharkY never mind, you obviously have more important issues htan your firewire disk |
| 02:57.15 | marga | scarynetworkguy: sure is. |
| 02:57.48 | marga | sgeigerbot: what's the problem with gaim? I used to use xchat, I switch to gaim to have all the IMs in one program, but I don't really like it, anyway. |
| 02:57.49 | SharkY | g4lt, no, i need to put my firewire disk working, to backup my server information |
| 02:58.03 | pmwilson | what's an easy way to set up something to run @ boot. adding it to rc.d? is there a way to use at or cron to specify something to be run at boot? |
| 02:58.15 | nullvoid | mwilson: hmmm |
| 02:58.29 | g4lt | so marga since you're all into the peace, love, and niceness, why don't YOU tell sharky to pull his head out of his ass and listen |
| 02:58.50 | tcsetattr | pmwilson, man 5 crontab |
| 02:58.54 | sgeigerbot | marga: you are a little too concerned with how people behave online. Many of us know eachother... |
| 02:59.10 | marga | g4lt: I don't know anything about firewire... :-\ |
| 02:59.21 | sgeigerbot | pmwilson: /etc/init.d/boot/misc.sh |
| 02:59.32 | sgeigerbot | pmwilson: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 02:59.34 | pmwilson | tcsetattr: already looked at the crontab, cron, and at manpages |
| 02:59.56 | pmwilson | sgeigerbot: *AH* right |
| 03:00.03 | SharkY | g4lt, ?????, are you crazy? drunk, addict???? |
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| 03:00.06 | pmwilson | sgeigerbot: I completely forgot about that |
| 03:00.06 | marga | sgeigerbot: uhm... Yeah, well, I'm concerned about the ones that don't know eachother. |
| 03:00.10 | sgeigerbot | pmwilson: that's one way...and to add things to /etc/init.d/ is another |
| 03:00.13 | SharkY | g4lt, ok, you need to sleep |
| 03:00.15 | SharkY | .. |
| 03:00.16 | g4lt | SharkY just shut up |
| 03:00.23 | sgeigerbot | marga: bleading hearts have only so much blood |
| 03:00.30 | g4lt | do a motherfucking lastlog |
| 03:00.32 | tcsetattr | there _is_ a reboot specification for cron. And it is documented in the man page. |
| 03:00.49 | siTe | how do I select a default window manager again? |
| 03:00.53 | pmwilson | sgeigerbot: well... if you add it to init.d it'll only run based on the runlevel after setting up symlinks to it from the /etc/rc.d directories |
| 03:01.03 | marga | sgeigerbot: I think that's exactly my point. |
| 03:01.10 | sgeigerbot | marga: please stop. |
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| 03:01.17 | SharkY | g4lt ?, ok, period |
| 03:01.21 | scarynetworkguy | marga: if the ones who don't know us were to shut up and do what they are told. They would not get larted |
| 03:01.23 | joshk | hullo |
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| 03:01.30 | joshk | wow, we have pmwilson and mwilson |
| 03:01.32 | marga | sgeigerbot: ok, sorry. |
| 03:01.38 | joshk | hi marga |
| 03:01.40 | sgeigerbot | marga: thanks. |
| 03:01.45 | pmwilson | tcsetattr: oh... so there is. that's what i wanted to do. i don't know why i didn't just search for 'boot' i'm tired, i guess |
| 03:01.57 | siTe | !dpkg xsession |
| 03:01.57 | dpkg | somebody said xsession was ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 03:02.00 | sgeigerbot | joshk: Actually, mwilson is M$Wilson |
| 03:02.07 | marga | Hi joshk. |
| 03:02.09 | pmwilson | joshk: i'm not here very much..... |
| 03:02.15 | g4lt | sgeigerbot no, do let her talk on, while there's a nice example of WHY we're so damn violent in my frustrating exchange with SharkY |
| 03:02.32 | pmwilson | joshk: but that always comes up. |
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| 03:02.39 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt: damn straight |
| 03:02.44 | sgeigerbot | marga: I suggest you study Zen. |
| 03:02.57 | siTe | anyone? |
| 03:03.15 | marga | g4lt: it's not that I don't understand how you feel, just that I think it's useless to get so violent about it. |
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| 03:03.45 | g4lt | marga no, I really doubt you have even the closest idea of how I feel right now |
| 03:03.51 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: Huh? |
| 03:04.01 | sgeigerbot | marga: make yourself useful and answer this: Does anyone know the Firefox .9 syntax for this pre-.9 command: /usr/bin/mozilla -remote "openurl($URL,new-tab)" |
| 03:04.19 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: It's not supposed to make sense. |
| 03:04.30 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: Then why say it? |
| 03:04.40 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: bugger all, i dunno |
| 03:04.42 | directhex | sgeigerbot, works fine here, though doesn't start a new ff if one isn't already running |
| 03:04.58 | sgeigerbot | directhex: with .9?? |
| 03:05.04 | SharkY | g4lt, why don't you try to relax. bye, i don't disturb you more, and SORRY?!?!?!?!? :-( |
| 03:05.07 | marga | g4lt: uhm, ok, maybe I don't. I'm a sysadmin, 100 users in my system. It's small, but I do get frustrated with users. |
| 03:05.17 | marga | sgeigerbot: I wish I knew, but I don't. |
| 03:05.30 | scarynetworkguy | sgeigerbot: up to date sid firefox? |
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| 03:05.37 | sgeigerbot | scarynetworkguy: yep |
| 03:05.37 | directhex | sgeigerbot, yeah, just tested it to be sure. works fine. |
| 03:05.52 | directhex | sgeigerbot, though it was broken in sid recently, always gave file:///~ |
| 03:05.55 | sgeigerbot | directhex: I'm envious. |
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| 03:06.04 | sgeigerbot | directhex: I installed today. |
| 03:06.15 | scarynetworkguy | sgeigerbot: I got nothing |
| 03:06.18 | sgeigerbot | directhex: yeah, that's what I was seeing!!! |
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| 03:06.49 | sgeigerbot | directhex: Hmm...it's apparently not fixed in sid... |
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| 03:08.01 | sgeigerbot | directhex: ah...I needed to do apt-get update. |
| 03:08.02 | directhex | sgeigerbot, i'm runnign sid, and it was fixed for me as of yesterday, i think. using the ox.ac.uk debian mirror. |
| 03:08.04 | sgeigerbot | directhex: thanks... |
| 03:08.16 | sgeigerbot | directhex: muahaha...installing. |
| 03:08.21 | directhex | got a job interview with them in sept, fingers crossed |
| 03:08.34 | scarynetworkguy | directhex: good luck |
| 03:08.54 | sgeigerbot | directhex: I wish you all types of luck, including "Sheer Dumb Luck" (tm) |
| 03:09.14 | directhex | sgeigerbot, best kind, next to "in the right place at the right time" |
| 03:09.45 | scarynetworkguy | "in the right place at the right time" is how I got my current job :) |
| 03:10.04 | directhex | how long have you had said job? |
| 03:10.18 | scarynetworkguy | directhex: just over two years now |
| 03:11.38 | directhex | hoping to hear back from some other applications. rolling out a department with debian at the london school of economics sounds fun |
| 03:11.50 | scarynetworkguy | directhex: that it does |
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| 03:14.04 | tcsetattr | there _is_ a reboot specification for cron. And it is documented in the ma2.page. |
| 03:14.08 | tcsetattr | urk |
| 03:14.59 | faw | tcsetattr, @reboot if i remember right |
| 03:15.18 | tcsetattr | yeah, I know. That was from earlier, I just pasted it by accident |
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| 03:17.26 | faw | tcsetattr, hehehe :) |
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| 03:19.53 | mith | are there new packages for the kernel? |
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| 03:25.48 | mwilson | mith: You can't look for yourself? |
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| 03:25.58 | character61 | hello all |
| 03:26.57 | character61 | anybody on? |
| 03:27.14 | pmwilson | yup |
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| 03:27.40 | character61 | kinda quiet this evening |
| 03:28.07 | character61 | where's the best place to get source debs to put in my sources.list file? |
| 03:28.46 | deadcat | anyone using the .Xresources/.Xdefaults file to position firefox's geometry |
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| 03:35.56 | Q3Man | ok.. odd project.. taking a 600page pdf (a catalogue) and turning each page into a png (for quick in-house lookups). Easy enough with imagemagick/convert but I'm running into an odd problem. When viewing the pdf page at 800 pixels wide, it looks all nice and crisp. When viewing the png created at 800 pixels wide, it looks ... bad. At first glance it appears to be an aliasing problem but upon closer inspection, both images are antialiased.. any i |
| 03:35.56 | Q3Man | mage guru's have an idea as to what I should be looking at? |
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| 03:47.40 | Thrawn | is there a kernel with built-in sata support? |
| 03:47.51 | Thrawn | (deb package) |
| 03:47.55 | Led_Zeppelin | i have a time server (gps1.otc.psu.edu), I do ntpdate -s gps1.otc.psu.edu, how do I then sync my hardware clock with that? |
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| 03:49.20 | sloopy | Led_Zeppelin: date --systohw |
| 03:49.37 | The_Vulture | wat sloopy said |
| 03:49.46 | rdancer | Q3Man: you might have to adjust output dpi setting somewhere. the same problem seems to occur when conveting pdf -> ps with ghostscript. |
| 03:50.08 | Led_Zeppelin | date: unrecognized option `--systohw' |
| 03:50.08 | Led_Zeppelin | Try `date --help' for more information. |
| 03:50.15 | Led_Zeppelin | The_Vulture, hey dude! |
| 03:50.23 | The_Vulture | g'day |
| 03:50.30 | rdancer | Led_Zeppelin: --systohc |
| 03:51.13 | Led_Zeppelin | rdancer, nope |
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| 03:51.56 | kingsley | I asked earlier how to sort a hierarchy of subdirectories and files by date. I recently found that "kfind" does it. |
| 03:52.11 | Led_Zeppelin | date and ntp are just a pain! |
| 03:52.13 | Led_Zeppelin | heh |
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| 03:54.41 | five | hwclock --systohc maybe |
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| 03:56.25 | Q3Man | rdancer, thanks a bunch... convert was defaulting to 72dpi and the pdf was at 75dpi... smacking convert around a bit helped a bunch! |
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| 03:59.00 | nvz | I have a small problem, I am using sarge kernel 2.4.26-1-k7, I am trying to use a PCMCIA USB card on this laptop and all I get is "cs: cb_alloc(bus 6): vendor 0x1033, device 0x0035" when I plug it in , then lspci says "pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci/06/00.2, lspci: Unable to read 64 bytes of configuration space." until I remove it.. I am not sure where to go from here |
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| 04:01.21 | nvz | I am trying to use the PCMCIA USB because the ports are broke on the laptop, the BIOS wont disable the controller, so if I could figure out some way in the kernel to not load just that controller, it would also save me some resources, like IRQs |
| 04:01.44 | kerpal23 | nvz: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.portable/2003-09/0044.html |
| 04:02.04 | kerpal23 | i read the parent page |
| 04:02.04 | simonrvn | also i'd recommend upgrading. see /topic |
| 04:02.40 | kerpal23 | basically it means upgrading your kernel, using there modules for the device and ditching the pcmcia package |
| 04:03.07 | ford | is there any monitoring software like snips in debian |
| 04:03.15 | nvz | I just did upgrade I thought.. but yeah .. I meant to read up on the status of the sarge march, and forgot :) |
| 04:03.33 | kerpal23 | nvz: no the kernel goto a 2.6 kernel |
| 04:03.45 | kerpal23 | I always build from source so i can tell you the apt-get way out of this problem |
| 04:03.50 | nvz | kerpal23: did you read what else I said? |
| 04:03.57 | nvz | kerpal23: I think I have some irq issues |
| 04:03.57 | kerpal23 | s/can/can't/ |
| 04:04.03 | kerpal23 | thats what the post says |
| 04:04.09 | kerpal23 | on the web page |
| 04:04.15 | nvz | kerpal23: beyond the fact I got the onboard USB that is using an IRQ |
| 04:04.36 | kerpal23 | shh |
| 04:04.46 | kerpal23 | i've had my issues with modules loading too |
| 04:04.57 | kerpal23 | it shoudl just be modconf and pulling the right mod |
| 04:05.17 | kerpal23 | but i had auto-hw stuffs in my init and they where likely ruining my day in that accord. |
| 04:06.10 | nvz | like this kernel.. and it might just be what kernel-images with initrd do, but it loaded ACPI, disabled it, loaded APIC started trying stuff, then disabled it, I got at least 3 devices trying to get the same IRQ, and in notebooks I thought the Sound and Net could safely use the same IRQ. |
| 04:06.16 | nvz | I will try a new kernel first |
| 04:06.36 | nvz | probably most of the problem.. I never use prebuilt, but I was just being lazy I guess |
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| 04:09.07 | nvz | yeah we had 512k DSL here, it was slow as hell.. got max of 51kb/s transfers on a good day with a real fast server.. |
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| 04:09.56 | nvz | got 3MB Cable for $140 less a year |
| 04:10.25 | nvz | lucked out, got a free surfboard and self installed in minutes |
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| 04:17.00 | exhaust | i just installed debian on a second partition, the first partition has windows xp on it. I dont get a choose to boot into xp now, only debian. Can someone help me be able to choose which OS i want to boot? |
| 04:17.25 | scarynetworkguy | exhaust: read your /boot/grub/menu.lst it will show you the way |
| 04:17.48 | SexyKen | Hey guys anyone know how to tweak my server to allow transfers to go faster than 1300k/sec? |
| 04:18.36 | joshk | SexyKen: how fast is it? are we talking scp/ssh connections, or stuff like HTTP/FTP? |
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| 04:18.59 | samuel | is this line ok for a sudoers file? "user localhost = NOPASSWD: sspnd" |
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| 04:20.18 | SexyKen | It's a 100mbit port. The server is a 2ghz Athlon. 1gb ram. FTP seems to max out at 1300k for uploads |
| 04:20.28 | spaere | Hi all - I am having trouble getting my network card module to install automatically when my system boots - I always have to do a 'modprobe 3c59x'. I've tried creating an /etc/modutils/network file and aliasing the driver then running update-modules, but no luck - am I doing something outdated/wrong? |
| 04:20.53 | scarynetworkguy | spaere: load it with modconf |
| 04:21.06 | spaere | scarynetworkguy: thanks, i'll take a look into that! |
| 04:21.39 | Manoj | spaere: add it to /etc/modules |
| 04:22.31 | menteco | About linkchecker: when I use its web interface (/lconline) I get Access Denied as result. Can you help me? |
| 04:22.52 | spaere | Manoj: ack. i'm a fool, thanks :D |
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| 04:24.15 | Q3Man | I know this is a shot in the dark.. but I'm using imagemagick/convert to convert a page from a pdf to a png. Part of what I'm doing is using -crop 0x0 to trim the whitespace from around the image. when saving as a png, the cropped image is not in the correct location (the image is shifted down and right by the amount cropped) however when saving as a tiff, it is not. Anyone heard if this is a bug? |
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| 04:27.23 | Led_Zeppelin | how can I make sure that my cvs server is running? cvsd? |
| 04:28.09 | scarynetworkguy | Led_Zeppelin: crazy idea here. But you could try to connect to it. Just nuts enough to work |
| 04:28.22 | Led_Zeppelin | scarynetworkguy, heh...not working :p |
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| 04:29.04 | Led_Zeppelin | scarynetworkguy, got it! |
| 04:29.07 | scarynetworkguy | Led_Zeppelin: my next guess would be that you have a /etc/init.d/cvsd or something along those lines try a stop and see what happnes |
| 04:29.08 | Led_Zeppelin | scarynetworkguy, funny dude |
| 04:29.16 | scarynetworkguy | Led_Zeppelin: I try :) |
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| 04:29.24 | Led_Zeppelin | scarynetworkguy, did, that...I even get the login prompt, just my password does not work |
| 04:29.34 | joshk | SexyKen: sorry. what FTPD are you using? |
| 04:29.37 | Led_Zeppelin | well, cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@localhost:/myrepos login |
| 04:29.39 | scarynetworkguy | Led_Zeppelin: I don't use CVS so can't help you there |
| 04:29.43 | Led_Zeppelin | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@localhost:/myrepos login |
| 04:29.46 | Led_Zeppelin | err sorry |
| 04:29.49 | joshk | I would not use pserver for local checkouts :P |
| 04:29.52 | joshk | just cvs co /myrepos |
| 04:29.53 | joshk | heh |
| 04:29.57 | joshk | er |
| 04:30.01 | joshk | cvs -d /myrepos co module |
| 04:30.14 | joshk | ooooooh... never mind... ECONTEXT |
| 04:30.16 | joshk | carry on :) |
| 04:30.22 | scarynetworkguy | !tell joshk about enter |
| 04:30.45 | joshk | !dpkgsmite scarynetworkguy |
| 04:31.12 | joshk | doh |
| 04:32.06 | SexyKen | ACtually, I'm using glftpd |
| 04:32.14 | SexyKen | joshk, glftpd is what I'm using. |
| 04:32.22 | scarynetworkguy | !punish joshk for trying to smite a Dark Lord |
| 04:32.28 | scarynetworkguy | joshk: :) |
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| 04:34.01 | samuel | sup all |
| 04:34.11 | joshk | !punish scarynetworkguy for trying to dpkg-school a Debian developer |
| 04:34.21 | syntaxman | postgres question... why do you have to install several perl modules just to get postgres installed? |
| 04:34.24 | scarynetworkguy | joshk: :) |
| 04:34.39 | syntaxman | if I force-depends, will it break postgres? |
| 04:34.49 | samuel | got a laptop with debian 3.1 and a problem with acpi, when i try to suspend the system it just restarts right back again? what gives? |
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| 04:34.52 | joshk | are you using aptitude? |
| 04:35.02 | joshk | samuel: 2.6 kernel I assume? |
| 04:35.04 | srbaker | need help fixing tvout with my radeon ve |
| 04:35.07 | srbaker | it's in black and white only |
| 04:35.20 | samuel | joshk, yes, 2.6 acpi, no apm |
| 04:35.29 | syntaxman | joshk: I'm using the apt command line and dpkg where necessary |
| 04:35.30 | joshk | samuel: have you tried using /sys/power/state? |
| 04:35.57 | joshk | syntaxman: i can't really tell where exactly the debconf deps are coming from. i suppose it's a dependency |
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| 04:36.04 | SexyKen | joshk, glftpd is what I'm using. |
| 04:36.06 | joshk | personally, i would NOT second-guess upstream |
| 04:36.09 | samuel | joshk, i use echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep to put it on sleep |
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| 04:36.14 | joshk | SexyKen: blargh! l33t war3z ftpd |
| 04:36.29 | SexyKen | ? |
| 04:36.50 | joshk | glftpd is very popular on warez servers :) |
| 04:36.56 | SexyKen | Ah. Gotcha. |
| 04:37.04 | samuel | joshk, im gonna try it now... brb |
| 04:37.09 | SexyKen | Well -- then I would expect it to be faster lol |
| 04:37.13 | scarynetworkguy | SexyKen: if it was me I'd slap a little tcpdump on either end and get some ground truth instead of all this silly ass blackbox troubleshooting |
| 04:37.18 | joshk | i personally don't know why glftpd is not performing at full speeds: however, my 450MHz K6-2 can push 10 megs a second on FTP |
| 04:37.40 | joshk | i was using pure-ftpd and now i'm using vsftpd, but it could also be your NIC |
| 04:37.44 | scarynetworkguy | but that's just me |
| 04:37.57 | scarynetworkguy | joshk: what do you maintain? |
| 04:38.00 | Q3Man | can someone do me a favor? grab a shell and find yourself a pdf. type: convert -crop 0x0 "filename.pdf[0]" testing.png - and open up the png in gimp and tell me if the image looks weird (i.e. shifted abnormally).. I think there is a png bug in imagemagick.. the error doesn't happen in other formats |
| 04:38.01 | SexyKen | So it can't be anything else? |
| 04:38.17 | joshk | i'm working on the installer mainly |
| 04:38.22 | joshk | SexyKen: who knows |
| 04:38.26 | joshk | yeah :) |
| 04:38.31 | joshk | scarynetworkguy: i'm also doing nethack |
| 04:38.33 | samuel | joshk, i tried it, it didnt even interrupt xchat!!! im back, but it does seem to shut down |
| 04:38.35 | SexyKen | What'd you say? Id idn't see you prefix my name |
| 04:38.41 | samuel | and then start right back up |
| 04:38.46 | scarynetworkguy | joshk: very cool. two of my favorite things. The new installer rocks my world. |
| 04:38.49 | SexyKen | blackbox lol |
| 04:38.49 | joshk | SexyKen: he did prefix |
| 04:38.54 | joshk | irght |
| 04:39.03 | scarynetworkguy | SexyKen: if it was me I'd slap a little tcpdump on either end and get some ground truth instead of all this silly ass blackbox troubleshooting |
| 04:39.09 | SexyKen | My server is hosted in Dallas and I dont have an X System on it. |
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| 04:39.17 | scarynetworkguy | SexyKen: so? |
| 04:39.30 | joshk | scarynetworkguy: i also have visualboyadvance, gtk-theme-switch, ircd-hybrid (which i'm part of upstream for), and fortune-mod which i'm comaintaining with pascal hakim |
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| 04:39.39 | joshk | lots of fun stuff, mainly :) |
| 04:39.42 | scarynetworkguy | joshk: wow |
| 04:39.43 | SexyKen | Though you were referencing blackbox the X Window Manager |
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| 04:40.08 | joshk | scarynetworkguy: maintenance is performed by selective ignorance |
| 04:40.13 | joshk | ;) |
| 04:40.19 | scarynetworkguy | SexyKen: by "blackbox" I meant feeding info into to a system you can't see and don't understand as opposed to using tools that will tell you excatly what is happing |
| 04:40.34 | scarynetworkguy | joshk: I imagine so |
| 04:41.37 | SexyKen | I doubt I'll understand the output of tcpdump |
| 04:42.05 | SexyKen | As far as determining a speed bottleneck that is |
| 04:42.19 | joshk | SexyKen: what NIC is in the server? |
| 04:42.32 | scarynetworkguy | SexyKen: how fast is the link between you and the server? |
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| 04:43.42 | SexyKen | 100mbit is my server. The server uploading is 1gigabit. |
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| 04:44.14 | helix | ouch |
| 04:44.14 | scarynetworkguy | joshk: maybe you can tell me something about fortune that i've been wondering. I can see a text file that contains the quotes that makes sense to me. What is in the .bin files and where would on look to learn how to make one? |
| 04:44.24 | joshk | the .dat files you mean? |
| 04:44.29 | joshk | that's generated by strfile(1) |
| 04:44.45 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.46 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.46 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.14 | scarynetworkguy | joshk: yea. That is what I meant. Cool. I'm thinking of making a custome fortune file for myself Thanks |
| 04:45.31 | scarynetworkguy | SexyKen: you indicated before that you are on a WAN? |
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| 04:45.37 | joshk | scarynetworkguy: right. I have a CVS repo of my own personal fortunes: a commit hook co's the file, runs strfile, and ci's it |
| 04:45.45 | joshk | so a cvs checkout is a working fortune dir |
| 04:45.52 | SexyKen | It's the internet, which I suppose is considered a WAN. |
| 04:46.02 | joshk | i'd blame routing too |
| 04:46.11 | joshk | 1200K/s is nothing to scoff at with regards to the Internet |
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| 04:46.20 | LucidVisions | am i a sucker for giving realplayer10/helix a go,when im already perfictly happy with totem/xine? |
| 04:46.22 | joshk | unless you're on the same backbone |
| 04:46.33 | SexyKen | I suppose you've got a decent point. |
| 04:46.34 | joshk | like calren |
| 04:46.40 | scarynetworkguy | SexyKen: then thank god you are doing so well |
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| 04:46.52 | Randy | 1200 K what is that? |
| 04:47.00 | joshk | 1.2 megabytes per second? :) |
| 04:47.04 | SexyKen | :-P |
| 04:47.05 | scarynetworkguy | joshk: very cool. When/if I get around to it I'll have to bug you some more |
| 04:47.06 | joshk | er, not precisely, nearly |
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| 04:47.12 | helix | joshk: you must be terribly bored tonight |
| 04:47.15 | joshk | no prob: i don't hang out much here |
| 04:47.16 | SexyKen | About 1.1 megabytes per second |
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| 04:47.22 | Randy | 1200 Kbits is no where near 1.2 megabits |
| 04:47.24 | niagi | hei, I have install debian using this iso image: http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/bf2.4-3.0.23-netinst.iso |
| 04:47.28 | Randy | oh |
| 04:47.31 | niagi | how do I configuration it manualy. |
| 04:47.32 | Randy | nevermind |
| 04:47.35 | niagi | can I download I new source kernel and reconfigure and recompile it? |
| 04:47.36 | SexyKen | No one said megabits |
| 04:47.40 | joshk | helix: if people start trolling, I leave |
| 04:47.54 | Randy | DO NOT EVER USE K as some kindof UNIT OK? |
| 04:47.55 | scarynetworkguy | SexyKen: so what is it |
| 04:47.58 | joshk | i'm glad to help out as long as i don't have to inconvenience myself to ignore retards |
| 04:48.03 | peterS | joshk: knoppix is basically debian, right? |
| 04:48.11 | Randy | K can mean 1 billion things... dont use it as a unit |
| 04:48.15 | REds | knoppix is a debian base |
| 04:48.19 | helix | heh |
| 04:48.21 | joshk | peterS doesn't count because I know he's smarter than he is trolling now |
| 04:48.25 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: :) |
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| 04:48.29 | peterS | awww |
| 04:48.32 | tattoo | does anybody know a path to add in my source.list in order to download some libs for using mplayer? e.g: libdvdread2 |
| 04:48.44 | joshk | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 04:48.46 | joshk | use at your own risk |
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| 04:48.56 | joshk | (the guy is a nutter as well) |
| 04:49.04 | tattoo | joshk: thanks |
| 04:49.24 | Penix | I like the fact that my computers always feel so slick and fast when I've been away for a few days |
| 04:49.26 | scarynetworkguy | tattoo: I've always had good luck with this http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html |
| 04:49.26 | niagi | someone can help me please. |
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| 04:49.35 | joshk | niagi: sure. why not? |
| 04:49.45 | niagi | ;) |
| 04:49.45 | joshk | that's like asking whether you can go to the supermarket to get a sixpack |
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| 04:49.59 | scarynetworkguy | You can do that!! |
| 04:50.05 | joshk | holy shit! yeah! |
| 04:50.05 | niagi | I just have finished install debian using that iso . |
| 04:50.20 | niagi | but It doesn't detect my nic. |
| 04:50.23 | scarynetworkguy | I always thought you had to wait till someone brought you one. Cool |
| 04:50.34 | niagi | can I configure it manually and how. |
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| 04:50.52 | scarynetworkguy | niagi: what nic? |
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| 04:51.07 | joecool | #gentoo-cafe |
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| 04:51.14 | mantishands | Question: Anybody know if there is a way to do WordPress-style bookmarklets and authoring with PHPNuke (already asked in #phpnuke with no reply) |
| 04:51.27 | joshk | niagi: if you can't figure it out right here right now, I suggest you try this instead: http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/sid_d-i/i386/current/ |
| 04:51.37 | joshk | this is like, three years newer than the image you tried |
| 04:51.38 | Penix | !fruitsmite phpnuke |
| 04:52.29 | mantishands | Penix: What's wrong with PHPNuke? |
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| 04:53.41 | Penix | mantishands: what's wrong with napalm? |
| 04:53.42 | niagi | ahhrgh |
| 04:53.59 | mantishands | Penix: It's combustible? |
| 04:54.05 | niagi | scarynetworkguy, I am using Realtek |
| 04:54.07 | mantishands | or is it combustable? |
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| 04:54.35 | joshk | niagi: what does 'lspci | grep -i Realtek' say? |
| 04:54.37 | JoshTriplett | mantishands: No, it's flammable. Or inflammable. :) |
| 04:54.41 | mantishands | Penix: I have never used it on a large scale, just played around with it. Is there anything I should know about it before I go using it for a larger-scale site? |
| 04:54.42 | niagi | RTL8139 |
| 04:54.43 | scarynetworkguy | niagi: I'd see if I can find it in modconf and load it from there. but like joshk said if you can't find it there grab the ISO he pointed you at |
| 04:54.52 | Loof | Is it possible for a glitch in reiserfs to change where a subdirectory resides? |
| 04:55.01 | JoshTriplett | Loof: Theoretically. :) |
| 04:55.05 | JoshTriplett | Loof: Not likely. |
| 04:55.08 | mantishands | JoshTriplett: dict combustible :) |
| 04:55.12 | scarynetworkguy | mantishands: they can't even spell the word "security" |
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| 04:55.29 | Loof | That is I had a directory that I didn't manually move... and don't think anything SHOULD have moved... that suddenly disappeared |
| 04:55.34 | mantishands | scarynetworkguy: What you suggest instead of PHPNuke? |
| 04:55.38 | Loof | I used 'find' to find the files... and it was someplace else |
| 04:55.45 | Loof | another directory I havn't been in... in months |
| 04:56.09 | scarynetworkguy | mantishands: If I was going to run a website off of PHP I'd learn to write PHP. :) |
| 04:56.22 | JoshTriplett | mantishands: OK... I do know what it means. ? |
| 04:56.26 | mantishands | scarynetworkguy: I can write PHP, but I don't want to take the time to write a CMS..... |
| 04:56.38 | niagi | oohhh ic... |
| 04:56.41 | niagi | thanks... |
| 04:56.48 | scarynetworkguy | niagi: NP was it in there? |
| 04:56.55 | mantishands | JoshTriplett: Oh, I thought you were saying combustible is not a word and that I should use flammable or inflammable instead |
| 04:56.56 | joshk | niagi: yeah. the new stuff should get autodetected |
| 04:57.00 | joshk | er |
| 04:57.04 | mantishands | JoshTriplett: apologies :) |
| 04:57.05 | JoshTriplett | mantishands: No. |
| 04:57.07 | joshk | the new ISO should detect your realtek card fo ryou |
| 04:57.24 | joshk | helix: LWCE is like #debian in person. so i'm still in the mood |
| 04:57.30 | niagi | scarynetworkguy, I will look there . but I prefer to use this newer image :) |
| 04:57.32 | tattoo | scarynetworkguy: are u a big fan of star wars? :) |
| 04:57.43 | JoshTriplett | mantishands: I was joking around; you were debating different words for combustible, and I was joking about {,in}flammable having the same meaning. |
| 04:57.46 | JoshTriplett | :) |
| 04:57.50 | scarynetworkguy | niagi: as do I. The new autodetection rocks my world |
| 04:57.51 | mantishands | :) |
| 04:57.53 | JoshTriplett | !smite that joke |
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| 04:57.55 | scarynetworkguy | tattoo: not really |
| 04:57.59 | JoshTriplett | It's dead. |
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| 04:58.11 | JoshTriplett | mantishands: :) |
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| 04:58.30 | mantishands | scarynetworkguy: Do you have any comments on WordPress? |
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| 04:58.49 | Loof | Nothing funny in the logs. |
| 04:58.54 | scarynetworkguy | mantishands: never heard of it |
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| 04:59.26 | mantishands | scarynetworkguy: I don't have anything in PHPNuke as of yet, just a slightly customized installation. Would you advise against using it? |
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| 05:00.03 | scarynetworkguy | mantishands: I could care less. All I know is that they have new holes pop up every 5 minutes |
| 05:00.14 | niagi | anyway, is it the newest image today ? ( http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/sid_d-i/i386/current/ ) |
| 05:00.29 | joshk | yes |
| 05:00.30 | mantishands | scarynetworkguy: I'm glas I heard that before I started putting a lot of content in it :) |
| 05:00.34 | joshk | current is always symlinked to the latest image |
| 05:00.36 | Loof | Crap, seems like my boot drive is failing |
| 05:00.38 | joshk | in this case it would be 20040804 |
| 05:00.39 | Loof | Shoulda known |
| 05:00.41 | scarynetworkguy | mantishands: cool |
| 05:00.57 | niagi | ok. |
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| 05:01.39 | Loof | However, these files are NOT on my boot drive and the boot drive is ext3 |
| 05:01.40 | Loof | :P |
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| 05:03.33 | niagi | where can I find all other newest package for debian? |
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| 05:04.52 | tattoo | scarynetworkguy: it must be a stupid question but....i'm seeing some procedures that our princessleia gimme but using the path that was given, the apt-get don't ask me the dependecies anymore. |
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| 05:05.14 | streuner | niagi: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and read man apt-get and man dpkg |
| 05:05.27 | scarynetworkguy | tattoo: so adapt |
| 05:05.49 | tattoo | scarynetworkguy: so, i'm doubt cuz pricessleia create a directory, download a .tar.bz2 file, etc, etc... |
| 05:05.53 | tattoo | scarynetworkguy: thanks. |
| 05:05.54 | tattoo | :) |
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| 05:06.32 | scarynetworkguy | tattoo: those are insructions to roll your own not to download a premade |
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| 05:07.30 | Loof | Oh well |
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| 05:07.42 | Loof | I don't see anything freaky on the reiserfs side of the world |
| 05:07.44 | jedir0x | i run gentoo, am i lame? |
| 05:07.53 | jedir0x | this is the greatest shit i've ever seen: http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 05:07.59 | Loof | The fact that a directory mysteriously moved itself bugs the hell out of me |
| 05:08.00 | streuner | troll somewhere else |
| 05:08.04 | tattoo | scarynetworkguy: is there any difference maybe? i mean, doing apt and doing the another way? or the result is the same but w/ some differences... |
| 05:08.12 | joshk | that site is great, but you are clearly trolling, so fuck off |
| 05:08.18 | jedir0x | lol, i'm not trolling. |
| 05:08.25 | jedir0x | i just thought i'd say that site is cool :) |
| 05:08.33 | jedir0x | it's 100% true. |
| 05:08.37 | streuner | jedir0x: so ask debian-related questions |
| 05:09.00 | jedir0x | streuner: does apt-get install from source? |
| 05:09.21 | joshk | i reiterate my previous statement |
| 05:09.30 | Penix | jedir0x: yes, it can |
| 05:09.38 | jedir0x | cool |
| 05:09.42 | streuner | jedir0x: you could install from source, but it wouldn't be a big advantage.... |
| 05:10.01 | jedir0x | streuner: i was just wondering.. the only thing i really like to install from source is apache anyway. |
| 05:10.12 | jedir0x | oh, and mplayer. |
| 05:10.13 | streuner | sure |
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| 05:10.51 | Led_Zeppelin | i have my repos set in my cvsd, but everything I try to login I get this error, |
| 05:10.53 | Led_Zeppelin | Logging in to :pserver:user@localhost:2401/myrepos |
| 05:10.53 | simonrvn | jedir0x: apt-get source apache as a regular user, and previous to that as root apt-get install build-dep apache; apt-get install fakeroot |
| 05:10.53 | Led_Zeppelin | CVS password: |
| 05:11.09 | jedir0x | cool |
| 05:11.10 | Led_Zeppelin | "/myrepos: no such repository" |
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| 05:11.23 | Led_Zeppelin | but I do have myrepos, /var/lib/cvsd/myrepos/CVSROOT |
| 05:11.25 | Led_Zeppelin | it exists |
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| 05:11.42 | simonrvn | logs. what do the logs say? |
| 05:11.48 | jedir0x | is there an online package browser for debian somewhere? I can't seem to find it on debian.org |
| 05:11.54 | simonrvn | @pdo |
| 05:11.55 | ravenbird | [pdo] http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents |
| 05:12.02 | Led_Zeppelin | simonrvn, me? |
| 05:12.07 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:12.07 | joshk | i actually never did bother getting cvsd to work |
| 05:12.08 | jedir0x | awsome |
| 05:12.21 | Led_Zeppelin | simonrvn, Aug 5 01:09:45 web01 cvs: login refused for /myrepos |
| 05:12.38 | Led_Zeppelin | joshk, i have to get it to work! |
| 05:12.48 | jedir0x | If i've installed the "stable" stuff... can i install a package that is not marked as stable? |
| 05:12.48 | joshk | heh |
| 05:12.54 | simonrvn | anything else, like in auth.log? |
| 05:13.02 | jedir0x | Led_Zeppelin: Subversion? |
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| 05:13.24 | simonrvn | jedir0x: no, upgrade to sarge or move to sid. different libcs |
| 05:13.51 | Led_Zeppelin | jedir0x, no, pserver |
| 05:13.55 | jedir0x | simonrvn: so if a new debian version comes out, is the upgrade process pretty painless? |
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| 05:14.06 | jedir0x | Led_Zeppelin: ah, ok... sorry. |
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| 05:14.15 | simonrvn | @tell brc_ -about root |
| 05:14.16 | Led_Zeppelin | jedir0x, no, auth.log |
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| 05:14.25 | Led_Zeppelin | simonrvn, no, no auth.log |
| 05:14.27 | joshk | simonrvn: isn't dpkg supposed to catch ~root as well? |
| 05:14.33 | simonrvn | jedir0x: as in what exactly do you mean? |
| 05:14.42 | simonrvn | joshk: usually |
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| 05:14.57 | jedir0x | simonrvn: well, i'm not sure how the debian versioning works.. but for instance it says the latest stable version is 3.0 |
| 05:15.19 | jedir0x | if i was running the last stable version (2.xxx) what is involved in upgrading to 3.0? |
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| 05:15.36 | jedir0x | are we talking a complete re-install? or is there a defined upgrade path? |
| 05:15.45 | tcsetattr | the upgrade from 2.2 to 3.0 was pretty painless. |
| 05:15.56 | simonrvn | jedir0x: pretty painless usually, msome things might break, but keep running dselect upgrade until it works ;) |
| 05:16.06 | noseman | where i can view the sarge base packages? |
| 05:16.11 | tcsetattr | there's no re-install, there's not even a reboot! unless you want to take advantage of a newer kernel. |
| 05:16.19 | jedir0x | cool. |
| 05:16.38 | tcsetattr | I upgraded a live system from Debian 2.2 to 3.0 while there were users on it, and there were no major problems. |
| 05:16.39 | jedir0x | what about kernel patches... do they come with the kernel packages? |
| 05:16.40 | simonrvn | reboot? what? what is that? |
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| 05:17.51 | Led_Zeppelin | simonrvn, well? any suggestions? |
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| 05:18.10 | simonrvn | none, sorry :/ |
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| 05:18.57 | Led_Zeppelin | simonrvn, Repos /myrepos in my cvsd.conf file too |
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| 05:19.16 | streuner | tcsetattr: the major headache would be prolly postfix for me (woody, sarge)... ;-) |
| 05:19.18 | spike | for some reason whenever i try to install kde it says error: broken packages |