| 00:00.12 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: and xfree86-scalable-nonfree |
| 00:00.12 | jcole_deb | thomas_adam: lol, no not me, i have deleted my /dev tree before though |
| 00:00.12 | thomas_adam | galorin: BTS |
| 00:00.13 | thomas_adam | jcole_deb: Fool. |
| 00:00.17 | jcole_deb | thomas_adam: i get "user not authorized to run the X server" |
| 00:00.19 | bob2 | galorin: how do you know it's "crashing"? |
| 00:00.29 | thomas_adam | jcole_deb: That's an xauth issue. |
| 00:00.29 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: because the default install only installs the very minimum set of fonts needed, and thats what you got. |
| 00:00.29 | bob2 | jcole_deb: dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common |
| 00:00.33 | streuner | galorin: does 'startx' work? |
| 00:00.40 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: many font sets are pretty huge files. |
| 00:00.42 | bob2 | jcole_deb: and read the config options you get asked more carefully |
| 00:00.50 | Ether_Man | Blissex2: ah.. ok |
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| 00:01.19 | galorin | crash reporter comes up, tries to baacktrace... and yes things work fine from startx |
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| 00:01.27 | Terrapin | question: my wireless keyboard/usb and mouse work if the system is booted and i install them and restart x but not if i boot the system with them, any idea of why and how to fix it ? |
| 00:01.47 | thomas_adam | Terrapin: 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:01.54 | galorin | thomas_aadam: BTS? |
| 00:01.59 | thomas_adam | !tell galorin about BTS |
| 00:02.08 | The_Vulture | thomas_adam: what kind of 'installation' are you refering to? |
| 00:02.12 | jcole_deb | bob2: ok, i just didn't see anything in the startx manpage on how to specify a user... i'll google a bit on xauth per thomas_adam |
| 00:02.17 | thomas_adam | jcole_deb: No. |
| 00:02.20 | Terrapin | thomas_adam, yes |
| 00:02.21 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: when you got all these fonts selected just press the 'apply' button on 'synaptic', and they will be installed. Since they are Debian packaged fonts, allegedly DeFoMa will set up all the complicated things that need setting up. |
| 00:02.22 | thomas_adam | jcole_deb: You mislead me. |
| 00:02.34 | thomas_adam | jcole_deb: dpkg-reconfigiure xserver-common |
| 00:02.41 | thomas_adam | The_Vulture: Sorry? |
| 00:02.55 | thomas_adam | Terrapin: Then use 2.4 |
| 00:03.17 | The_Vulture | s/ thomas_adam/ Terrapin/ |
| 00:03.20 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: got there yet? |
| 00:03.42 | Ether_Man | Blissex2: k.. msttcorefonts said something about configuring x to use defoma.. It that something I will have to do manually or is it something that will be autonmatic when I install defoma.. if I dont have it installed already but I dont think I have |
| 00:03.51 | jcole_deb | thomas_adam: set it to "Anyone". thanks again. |
| 00:03.54 | Ether_Man | Blissex: its installing at the moment |
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| 00:04.07 | Terrapin | The_Vulture, wireless kbd and mouse |
| 00:04.27 | Terrapin | thomas_adam, must i go down in kernel version to make it work? |
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| 00:04.51 | thomas_adam | Terrapin: Awww, Are you afraid you might suffer the version number syndrome? |
| 00:04.58 | The_Vulture | Terrapin: then by installation, you are reffering to physically connecting the device? |
| 00:05.06 | thomas_adam | "Oooh, 2.6 is higher than 2.4 therefore it _must_ be better" |
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| 00:05.33 | Terrapin | The_Vulture, if i connect the devices once booted and restart x then it works but not if i boot with them connected |
| 00:05.43 | jcole_deb | thomas_adam: btw, so you don't think i'm a complete idiot, i was trying to remaster a knoppix cd and uh, had my /dev bind mounted to a chrooted dir, and rm -rf'ed the dir, forgetting to umount it |
| 00:05.54 | thomas_adam | jcole_deb: :| |
| 00:05.59 | Terrapin | thomas_adam, no not afraid of such, just not great with kernel compile |
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| 00:06.04 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: DeFoMa should be already installed, or should be being installed by all the font installations. Does anybody know if it need to be installed and run explicitly? |
| 00:06.13 | thomas_adam | Terrapin: Use a stock kernel, if you have to. |
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| 00:06.28 | xerophyte | Where can i find good remote debian install documentaion? |
| 00:06.35 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: google.com |
| 00:06.46 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: and use debootstrap, probably. |
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| 00:07.19 | Terrapin | thomas_adam, so i take it the wireless kbd and mouse isnt totaly supported with 2.6.x |
| 00:07.36 | xerophyte | thomas_adam, i found one howto but seems old i am just wondering fi there way to do i t |
| 00:07.39 | galorin | Hmm, nearest bug is pointing to the libqt version, but why would it work for ages, then suddenly stop.. all I did was shift the PC from here, to the library for a demo, then back home to another room... darned tempramental.... |
| 00:07.44 | thomas_adam | Terrapin: There's a lot of issues with many things in 2.6 -- unless you have a specific reason to have to use 2.6, I really wouldn't. |
| 00:08.00 | xerophyte | thomas_adam, this is what i found http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html |
| 00:08.01 | thomas_adam | galorin: Then you're not checking the right package. |
| 00:08.27 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: It's fine. |
| 00:08.43 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: I just had a look and the font packages depend on DeFoMa, so it should all be automatic. |
| 00:09.08 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: when the blizzard of installs ends, i'll give you two commands to check all the relevant fonts are there. |
| 00:09.20 | Ether_Man | Blissex2: k.. Im done |
| 00:09.25 | galorin | thomas_adam: well, come morning I'll take QT out into the back yard and bury it... |
| 00:09.39 | thomas_adam | galorin: Good. Take gtk out there as well. |
| 00:09.45 | thomas_adam | All hail motif |
| 00:10.57 | thomas_adam | !test |
| 00:10.58 | dpkg | Yes, thomas_adam, you're still online. |
| 00:11.04 | thomas_adam | heh, for once you're all quiet. |
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| 00:11.28 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: in a console, run this command: fc-list | sort | less |
| 00:11.41 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: you should see a lot of typefaces with their font variations. |
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| 00:12.12 | Ether_Man | Blissex2: yep |
| 00:12.12 | qbwdp | hello, i'm trying to compile 2.6.7 with aic7*** scsi driver and it says it needs (no yacc command found), anyone know which yacc i need, or the entry for apt-get? |
| 00:12.25 | carrett | hey, is there a place i can track the progress of the xorg packaging? |
| 00:12.28 | galorin | Terrapin: I've gotten a wireless mouse working fine under 2.6 built HID into the kernel, and edited XF86Config for it...but not tried a keyboard. (suspport for some of the HW in the laptop I could only find in the 2.6 tree) |
| 00:12.48 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: now, now run 'xfontsel' and click on the 'Family' bit |
| 00:12.48 | inittab | is this a good place to ask questions about evolution? on debian of course |
| 00:12.57 | thomas_adam | qbwdp: install build-essential |
| 00:12.59 | galorin | Otherwise.. not worth the effort, though pre-emptible kernel s nice |
| 00:13.04 | carrett | inittab: depends on the question |
| 00:13.05 | qbwdp | thomas_adam: thanx |
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| 00:13.14 | carrett | inittab: fire away |
| 00:13.20 | Blissex2 | galorin: preempt is a bit dangerous. Low latency is less dangerous. |
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| 00:13.47 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: you tried 'xfontsel'? |
| 00:13.49 | Ether_Man | Blissex2: I get alot of fonts there yes |
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| 00:14.03 | inittab | mails I collect, either from a pop3 or local are duplicated in evolution, in mutt it is fine |
| 00:14.09 | thomas_adam | qbwdp: also install "bison" |
| 00:14.12 | galorin | hmm... can you do both? |
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| 00:14.17 | Blissex2 | good. Now odds are you only need to restart 'xchat' to see the 'xchat' fonts. |
| 00:14.26 | thomas_adam | galorin: Do you know how to do research? |
| 00:14.27 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man good. Now odds are you only need to restart 'xchat' to see the 'xchat' fonts. |
| 00:14.33 | xerophyte | thomas_adam, its windows 98 box, it think i need a boot disk first do anything |
| 00:14.38 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: Hmm? |
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| 00:14.44 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: but try to select the fonts preferences even without restarting, might work. |
| 00:14.56 | galorin | Normally yes. At 1:15 AM with no caffene, II can't be bothered ;) |
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| 00:15.25 | zeier | I've installed ipmasq on my router, always when I try to use it, I get |
| 00:15.30 | Ether_Man | Blissex2: nope.. only the old ones.. and I tried starting another xchat and check and still no more than before |
| 00:15.30 | zeier | IN=ppp0 OUT=eth0 SRC=83.129.177.234 DST=10.1.1.1 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=55 ID=30886 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=1028 DPT=22 WINDOW=5808 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 |
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| 00:15.45 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: that is really very very unlikely. |
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| 00:16.23 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: do you have a restrictive 'umask' on 'root'> |
| 00:16.25 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: do you have a restrictive 'umask' on 'root'? |
| 00:16.28 | Ether_Man | Blissex2: wierd... tried again and now it works |
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| 00:16.40 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: UHHHHHM |
| 00:16.48 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: select 'Andale Mono' |
| 00:17.10 | kuswald | Hello. Thanks to some previous help I'm now running a 2.6 kernel at last, but I'm having a little trouble with alsa. I stupidly selected virtual midi card in configuration and alsa has set it up as card 0 with my actual card at card 1. I can use xmms with card 1, but everything else seems to expect to be able to use card 0 as the default. Is there any way around this (swapping them, or just getting rid of card0) or do |
| 00:17.10 | kuswald | kernel? |
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| 00:17.16 | xerophyte | thomas_adam, that howto is to install from a linux box, i need to install on win98 box but there is person who will put cd and boot the box for me but i need to get the connect and install the rest |
| 00:17.20 | Ether_Man | Blissex2: done in the second xchat |
| 00:17.38 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: is the second 'xchat' connected to here? |
| 00:17.43 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: You mean you're installing a remote linux machine from a controlling windows box? |
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| 00:17.54 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man: i still have my test Swedish phrase... |
| 00:17.55 | Ether_Man | Blissex2: its trying to |
| 00:17.57 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: or that this machine has windows on it that needs to be scraped? |
| 00:17.58 | zeier | can someone tell me what my router tries to tell me? (a few lines above) |
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| 00:18.33 | qbwdp | thomas_adam: thanx, got both and now it says it needs lex, |
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| 00:18.54 | Ether_Man2 | Blissex2: there |
| 00:18.56 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man2: "Umeå marina forskningscentrum bäst på miljöövervakning" |
| 00:19.11 | Ether_Man2 | Blissex2: nope.. still missing swedish chars |
| 00:19.16 | xerophyte | thomas_adam, this box has windows 98 and i need to format the box and install linux (debian) ..i have friend he can put the cd and reboot the server i need to get the connection to the box loading the os into the ram not modifying anything |
| 00:19.27 | xerophyte | thomas_adam, how can i do it |
| 00:19.30 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man2: I dont believe you. Does it display in Andale Mono? |
| 00:19.42 | Ether_Man2 | Blissex2: yep |
| 00:19.48 | ash_ | I am trying to run AIM and I get the error" error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file. " |
| 00:20.00 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: you mean flex? |
| 00:20.01 | xam | dddd |
| 00:20.07 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man2: go to 'http://umu.se/ and paste here the same phrase. |
| 00:20.07 | thomas_adam | qbwdp: you mean flex? |
| 00:20.10 | ash_ | any ideas... I updated the c++ files and they seem to be up to date |
| 00:20.13 | ash_ | ;P |
| 00:20.17 | zorton | depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 00:20.20 | Guerin | xerophyte: run a livecd distro which is known to bring up network and run a sshd |
| 00:20.27 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man2: go to 'http://www.umu.se/ and paste here the same phrase. |
| 00:20.27 | thomas_adam | !qmmodules |
| 00:20.28 | zorton | what did I miss? trying to compile a 2.6.7 series kernel |
| 00:20.31 | Guerin | xerophyte: then ssh in and do wtf you want |
| 00:20.31 | thomas_adam | !qm_modules |
| 00:20.32 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 00:20.43 | thomas_adam | zorton: ^ |
| 00:20.53 | Ether_Man2 | Blissex2: umu.se doesnt exist :/ |
| 00:21.00 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man2: go to 'http://www.umu.se/ and paste here the same phrase. |
| 00:21.05 | zorton | I suck |
| 00:21.07 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: Why do I get the feeling I'm teaching you to suck eggs? |
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| 00:21.13 | thomas_adam | zorton: How much do you charge? |
| 00:21.22 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man2: you are not a computer... Or are you? :-) |
| 00:21.24 | zorton | about 3.fitty |
| 00:21.29 | xerophyte | Guerin, does the debian had livecd, i know Gentoo does |
| 00:21.30 | thomas_adam | zorton: You're on! |
| 00:21.32 | qbwdp | thomas_adam: no, it says lex command not found, and fails to compile the driver |
| 00:21.41 | zorton | heh |
| 00:21.42 | thomas_adam | qbwdp: install flex |
| 00:21.43 | xerophyte | thomas_adam, ?? |
| 00:21.47 | ash_ | I am trying to run AIM and I get the error" error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file. " |
| 00:21.49 | qbwdp | thomas_adam: ok |
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| 00:21.54 | zorton | you'll end up playing about 1k in the plane ticket though |
| 00:21.56 | Guerin | xerophyte: it's irrelevant which livecd you use, as long as it brings up networking and runs a sshd |
| 00:21.56 | Ether_Man2 | Blissex2: no.. but Konqueror cant resolve www.umu.se |
| 00:22.02 | ash_ | any ideas anyone? |
| 00:22.09 | Guerin | xerophyte: and you know the login detail, of course. |
| 00:22.11 | thomas_adam | !any ideas |
| 00:22.11 | Ether_Man2 | Blissex2: now it works |
| 00:22.11 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack of herring, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 rabid hamsters. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 00:22.14 | thomas_adam | !seen anyone |
| 00:22.15 | dpkg | anyone <~n6tadam@host217-43-148-91.range217-43.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 4h 58m 16s ago, saying: 'Just thought I'd pop by, it's been too long, and I know how famous I am here.'. |
| 00:22.22 | Ether_Man2 | Blissex2: gawd I hate my ISPs dns |
| 00:22.42 | Ether_Man2 | Blissex2: Ume? marina forskningscentrum b?st p? milj??vervakning |
| 00:22.49 | Guerin | wow, anyone was in here, and I missed him! |
| 00:23.01 | Blissex2 | Ether_Man2: questions marks here. Ill do another test. |
| 00:23.11 | thomas_adam | ash_: apt-cache search libstd |
| 00:23.17 | thomas_adam | ash_: lookey lookey. |
| 00:23.23 | xerophyte | Guerin, so i need to get knoppix on a cd and give to him so he can boot with it am i right is knoppix is good for me i am reading but just wondering |
| 00:23.27 | thomas_adam | Guerin: He was indeed. |
| 00:23.28 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 00:23.30 | ash_ | i already have most updated version... did that... |
| 00:23.38 | ash_ | should i downgrade the the version it wants? |
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| 00:23.45 | thomas_adam | ash_: Try again. |
| 00:23.51 | g4lt | figures anyone's a brit they're so bland you couldn't tell one from another anyways ;P |
| 00:23.52 | Guerin | xerophyte: sure. Just make sure you know how to login to that via ssh. Test it locally if you can. |
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| 00:24.07 | thomas_adam | !fuck g4lt |
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| 00:24.19 | Blissex | Blissex2: "Umeå marina forskningscentrum bäst på miljöövervakning" |
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| 00:24.59 | xerophyte | guerin okay |
| 00:24.59 | Guerin | !qotd0 |
| 00:25.00 | dpkg | <Azar> jm, I do not have irc, how could I get in another way? |
| 00:25.09 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 00:25.40 | Blissex | Ether_Man2: well, you are unlucky, because I just copy/paste thsat phrase in one 'xchat', which displayed iut correctly, and the other 'xchat' also did. |
| 00:25.45 | thomas_adam | ash_: I don't mind helping you, but you do have to show some signs of intelligence -- even a little... |
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| 00:25.58 | Ether_Man2 | Blissex: :/ |
| 00:26.18 | Guerin | xerophyte: once you've logged in to the remote box, have you any idea what you're going to have to do? |
| 00:26.19 | Blissex | Ether_Man2: UHM. Try to write some of those characters using your keyboard. |
| 00:26.29 | Ether_Man2 | Blissex: ??? ??? ??? |
| 00:26.59 | Blissex | Ether_Man2: use 'Alt Gr' key on some alphabetic characters, they correspond to funky stuff. |
| 00:27.11 | Blissex | Ether_Man2: for example "@?e¶??" |
| 00:27.34 | xerophyte | Guerin i am going to follow this howto http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html, and i have installed gentoo using livecd froms stage 1 so i can manage i guess |
| 00:27.34 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: :| |
| 00:27.42 | Ether_Man2 | Blissex: @????????????????jj?????? There.. they are not swedish letters though |
| 00:27.49 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: None of this is difficult, and is this moron who is going to install it cannot follow instructions or even know WTF he is doing, why the hell is he being allowed to do this? |
| 00:27.55 | Guerin | xerophyte: a'ight. |
| 00:28.13 | Blissex | Ether_Man2: ahhhh interesting. What I typed in is right in this 'xchat' but not the other. But the things I pasted were right in both. |
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| 00:28.31 | thomas_adam | Blissex: Ether_Man2 /J #locales |
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| 00:29.26 | Blissex | thomas_adam: it is not quite about locales, but about character sets and Debian fonts. |
| 00:29.29 | ugly | stop idling, fooz |
| 00:29.53 | xerophyte | thomas_adam, he knows about it .. but we are just testing if i can do remote install on the box with minimum effort on other site (forget my english its sucks) |
| 00:29.56 | Blissex | thomas_adam: Ether_Man2: however right now it looks like more an 'xchat' issues, as the fonts are there. |
| 00:30.03 | ash_ | thomas_adam: okie... well heres my best try at intelligence... I already have most updates version.. however i did find a website about this error... its said I need to do ln -s file1 to other file2 |
| 00:30.30 | xerophyte | Guerin, is there small knoppix iso seems liket its 700MB |
| 00:30.32 | Guerin | !okie |
| 00:30.32 | dpkg | okie is probably someone from Oklahoma, usually of rustic stock. If you mean OK, just say it. |
| 00:30.32 | ash_ | thomas_adam: I did that but I think I linked to wrong place... how do I find where to link it to? |
| 00:30.33 | thomas_adam | Blissex: The point was, I don't give a fuck. |
| 00:30.33 | jcole_deb | sorry if i'm sounding redundant, but is it possible to send an application to another *display* instead of another desktop? i've googled and found nothing... |
| 00:30.35 | Blissex | Ether_Man2: lets switch to #xchat, it has also got a lot less traffic. |
| 00:30.41 | thomas_adam | ash_: You don't need to |
| 00:30.59 | Guerin | xerophyte: not knoppix, but there are many other boot disks. lnx-bbc is probably smallest. |
| 00:31.06 | ugly | I'm tailing a log file that I rotate in logrotate.conf, but when the log is actually rotated, the new log isn't monitored by the tail process. I'm using the "copytruncate" option in logrotate.conf, rather than simply moving the log - any ideas? |
| 00:31.11 | Blissex | thomas_adam: that must be very satisfying :-) |
| 00:31.23 | filippo | hi |
| 00:31.32 | filippo | Can anyone help me solving a problem concerning X on a powerbook G4? |
| 00:31.38 | ash_ | thomas_adam: I have the most upg version and thats the only thing i was about that error on the AIM page? |
| 00:31.39 | thomas_adam | ugly: ? |
| 00:31.45 | Guerin | xerophyte: the main thing is that you want one which will auto-detect and configure hardware, and run a sshd by default. Not all do this: knoppix, mepix, morphix do, but I have NFI about others. |
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| 00:32.02 | ugly | thomas_adam: hmm? |
| 00:32.24 | Guerin | s/mepix/mepis/ |
| 00:32.37 | xerophyte | Guerin, NFI?? |
| 00:32.42 | Guerin | !nfi |
| 00:32.42 | dpkg | well, nfi is No Fucking Idea |
| 00:32.43 | nailbiter | ugly: pass '--follow=name' to 'tail' to follow the name around, rather than the file's open handle. |
| 00:33.10 | ugly | nailbiter: awesome, thanks |
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| 00:33.24 | xerophyte | Guerin, okay |
| 00:33.30 | z3us | I have a quick question about apache/php |
| 00:33.35 | z3us | getting an error when I start apache |
| 00:33.42 | cafuego | z3us: Yes, you need to update php. |
| 00:33.43 | Guerin | wtf... when my wife got up this morning, the central heating had come on full-strength |
| 00:33.44 | ac1d | can someone show me a proper DISPLAY variable that should be set in, say, an xterm |
| 00:33.59 | cafuego | ac1d: :0.0 |
| 00:34.07 | ash_ | ^^^ |
| 00:34.09 | ash_ | agreeed |
| 00:34.12 | Guerin | despite the central heating master switch being turned off, and it being the middle of fucking summer |
| 00:34.25 | cafuego | ac1d: The's for a single X server running on localhost. |
| 00:34.32 | ac1d | Could not open display, check shell DISPLAY variable, and export or setenv it! |
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| 00:34.35 | ac1d | didn't work. |
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| 00:34.39 | cafuego | Guerin: SpppoooOOOOoooky! |
| 00:34.39 | z3us | cafuego: I havn't updated yet |
| 00:34.39 | xerophyte | Guerin if you use what will you use for this task just wondering i need to find the good and easy one |
| 00:34.41 | thomas_adam | ac1d: :| |
| 00:34.45 | ash_ | Geurin: fix my computer... Ill rig your AC.. fair deal? |
| 00:34.46 | cafuego | ac1d: Well DUH! |
| 00:34.49 | XELON | I just install debian, it gives a warning "kernel panic". I am trying to find a document but I can't. Please If you got links send me. |
| 00:34.51 | ac1d | i exported it |
| 00:35.01 | thomas_adam | XELON: any chance you can lowercase your nickname? |
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| 00:35.17 | cafuego | ac1d: That's nice. if you X running and does that user have access to the server? |
| 00:35.18 | thomas_adam | !fgi XELON kernel panic |
| 00:35.19 | dpkg | XELON: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=kernel panic |
| 00:35.23 | ash_ | xelon: kernel is scared... calm it down |
| 00:35.43 | thomas_adam | xelon: THANKS, KTHXBYE |
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| 00:36.09 | cafuego | ac1d: Just because my example is properly foormatted doesn't mean it will work on your machine. |
| 00:36.17 | ac1d | cafuego, yes and yes |
| 00:36.24 | Guerin | xerophyte: If I was doing it, I'd use one of the the three I mentioned above. Knoppix would probably be my first choice, because I know it funs a fucking boatload of services by default, and has no root password. |
| 00:36.28 | thomas_adam | ac1d: can you start X as a user that isn't user root? |
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| 00:36.51 | xerophyte | guerin but its 700MB |
| 00:36.53 | cafuego | ac1d: Seeing as it said "Could not open display" I rather suggest the answer to one of those question is 'no". |
| 00:36.59 | xelon | guys, I said I can't find anythink |
| 00:37.05 | ac1d | cafuego, i started x as my normal user |
| 00:37.12 | Guerin | xerophyte: but if I was doing it, I'd just have the remote hand boot and install a minimal debian, then roll from there. |
| 00:37.14 | cafuego | ac1d: What are you trying to do? |
| 00:37.17 | thomas_adam | xelon: cos you didn't fink to look? |
| 00:37.27 | xerophyte | Guerin okay |
| 00:37.32 | cafuego | ac1d: And now you su'd and can't run X stuff as root? |
| 00:37.37 | thomas_adam | !waytdd ac1d |
| 00:37.41 | cafuego | ac1d: Install either 'sudo' or 'sux' and use those. |
| 00:37.42 | Guerin | xerophyte: you asked what I would do. I have 20 megabit internet; bandwidth is not an issue for me. |
| 00:38.06 | thomas_adam | ac1d: or gksu |
| 00:38.20 | cafuego | ac1d: or try to just not run X apps as root. |
| 00:38.30 | thomas_adam | ac1d: man xhost :) |
| 00:38.31 | ac1d | cafuego, thomas_adam, i have sudo... i am trying to run xbindkeys -mk, its giving me that, i am not in a rootshell |
| 00:38.39 | Guerin | thomas_adam: would it bring up an eth and run a sshd? |
| 00:38.40 | ac1d | i am not even using sudo |
| 00:38.44 | xerophyte | Guerin, if you had cable connection |
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| 00:39.03 | thomas_adam | Guerin: what, toms? I believe it doesn't have ssh.... Bummer. |
| 00:39.23 | thomas_adam | ac1d: SO HOW DO YOU EXPECT ANYTHING TO WORK? |
| 00:39.38 | ac1d | thomas_adam, ? |
| 00:39.47 | thomas_adam | ac1d: Biw that I have your attention, listen carefully to this.... |
| 00:39.57 | Guerin | xerophyte: stop asking me hypotheticals. If you want a small disk, you take your chances. |
| 00:40.03 | thomas_adam | ac1d: 1. You don't run X apps as root generally. |
| 00:40.07 | ac1d | IM NOT |
| 00:40.11 | xerophyte | Guerin, thx let me read about it |
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| 00:40.23 | thomas_adam | ac1d: 2. If you _have_ to, install sudo, _READ_ the documentation for it, and set it up so you can use it. |
| 00:40.35 | ac1d | thomas_adam, i have |
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| 00:40.44 | thomas_adam | ac1d: If you cannot understand that, then 3: instal gksu |
| 00:40.45 | ac1d | thomas_adam, why do you get the notion that i am running xapps as root |
| 00:40.56 | ac1d | s/get/have |
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| 00:41.06 | pyrophreak4620 | I already installed debian on to a partition, is there a way I can still take a gig out of that partion to be used to make another parititon? |
| 00:41.25 | thomas_adam | pyrophreak4620: man parted |
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| 00:41.42 | thomas_adam | pyrophreak4620: install it first. |
| 00:41.52 | Deep6 | can anyone tell me how to redirect stderr? |
| 00:42.03 | thomas_adam | pyrophreak4620: If you convert ext3->ext2 you can probably use resize2fs, if the partition is in the correct place. |
| 00:42.08 | tcsetattr | Deep6 2> stderrfile |
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| 00:42.16 | thomas_adam | Deep6: 2> |
| 00:42.29 | Deep6 | tcsetattr so make 2> /tmp/file ? |
| 00:42.47 | thomas_adam | Deep6: make > ./file 2>&1 |
| 00:42.56 | thomas_adam | Deep6: Puts it in much better context |
| 00:43.12 | tcsetattr | make 2>&1 | less # another useful variant |
| 00:43.14 | Deep6 | thanks |
| 00:43.19 | thomas_adam | Deep6: (note that make &> ./file is equivalent) |
| 00:43.30 | Deep6 | thomas_adam thanks |
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| 00:45.46 | thomas_adam | You're welcome. |
| 00:45.59 | thomas_adam | !test |
| 00:46.00 | jeff2 | why doesn't wget default to passive ftp? |
| 00:46.00 | dpkg | Yes, thomas_adam, you're still online. |
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| 00:46.15 | thomas_adam | jeff2: Because wget was cxreated for the http protocol. |
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| 00:46.50 | jeff2 | thomas_adam, but when retreiving through ftp, wget defaults to the obsolete active ftp mode |
| 00:46.56 | thomas_adam | jeff2: man wget |
| 00:47.00 | thomas_adam | jeff2: It's all in there. |
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| 00:48.28 | jeff2 | thomas_adam, the manpage says that passive ftp is "sometimes required for FTP to work behind firewalls.", are there any advantages of non-passive ftp/ |
| 00:48.43 | thomas_adam | jeff2: Depends on the context. |
| 00:49.08 | jeff2 | tcsetattr, not de jure but de facto |
| 00:49.10 | g4lt | jeff2 the speed of parallelism |
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| 00:49.15 | jeanpoldeux | what would be the best way to start esd on boot ??? a script in init.d ? |
| 00:49.18 | jeff2 | thomas_adam, what do you mean? |
| 00:49.27 | thomas_adam | jeff2: Blaireau |
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| 00:49.30 | jeff2 | jeanpoldeux, write a startup script and add it to the default runlevel |
| 00:49.40 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: ~/.xsession |
| 00:49.50 | thomas_adam | jeff2: tut tut. |
| 00:49.55 | jeff2 | thomas_adam, blaireau who |
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| 00:50.07 | tcsetattr | firewalls can foul up normal ftp as easily as they can foul up passive ftp |
| 00:50.22 | tcsetattr | just reverse the rules |
| 00:50.30 | thomas_adam | jeff2: ust turn off your firewall. |
| 00:50.37 | thomas_adam | Solves _all_ your problems. :) |
| 00:50.54 | jeanpoldeux | jeff2: I just don't know about scripting, i suppose #!/bin/sh and "esd &" would be enough ? |
| 00:50.56 | jeff2 | tcsetattr, how can a client-side firewall (in default configuration) foul up passive ftp? |
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| 00:51.28 | jeff2 | jeanpoldeux, yeah that should be fine |
| 00:51.30 | striker__ | Hi, all. I get always the same error compiling kernel 2.6.7.. and now I don't know why. I think I've problem with USB (fucked USB :P). kernel says it cannot load the modules: usb.ohci, input, usbkdb and keybdev. How I can solve? I'm trying to find a solution but.. no. |
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| 00:51.41 | tcsetattr | jeff2, when the "client" is a user running an ftp server at home, it happens. |
| 00:51.50 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: I sais at boot time, otherwise the idea was good |
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| 00:52.13 | jeff2 | thomas_adam, heh, but thats not an option for many users with NAT |
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| 00:52.36 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: So use /etc/init.d/skeleton as a basis, and man update-rc.d |
| 00:52.56 | jeanpoldeux | ok for skeleton |
| 00:53.10 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: If you had the knowledge to disregard ~/.xsession, you should at least of had the same knowledge to know how to damn well start services of your own. |
| 00:53.18 | tcsetattr | NAT is a kludge. In fact, IPv6 addresses are being allocated, which makse NAT obsolete :) |
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| 00:53.27 | jeff2 | tcsetattr, true, but then the client is a server, not a client. in the default configuration, any programs that use wget behind a firewall are broken unless the NAT is setup for proxying ftp |
| 00:53.40 | ameoba | anyone know what the optimal value of X is in "make -j $X" for a 14 proc ultrasparc? |
| 00:54.01 | g4lt | ameoba BIG |
| 00:54.04 | thomas_adam | ameoba: #gentoo |
| 00:54.14 | tcsetattr | jeff2, why should some assholes running firewalls, which deliberately obstruct communictaion, be allowed to dictate defaults for reasonable programs? |
| 00:54.45 | tcsetattr | if you use NAT you are breaking things. There's no way around that. NAT == breakage. |
| 00:54.54 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: I guess i didn't look enough then, in my /etc/X11/xsession I just put "gkrellm &" and "idesk &" :/ |
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| 00:55.13 | jeff2 | tcsetattr, because they are the majority, and its best to optimize for the most common configuration |
| 00:55.50 | jeff2 | tcsetattr, but yes, I can't wait until NAT is dead and buried forever. network programming will be *much* easier |
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| 00:56.44 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: Why are you doing that system wide, FFS? |
| 00:56.46 | thomas_adam | !system wide |
| 00:56.47 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 00:57.07 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: ^^ |
| 00:57.17 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: Regarde ca |
| 00:57.22 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: .xsession just not work, and I'm not the only person on my machine |
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| 00:57.34 | tcsetattr | Linux is no democracy, the majority don't rule, you have to have an argument for changing something besides "a lot of people are doing this stupid thing, so could you please help them work around the problems instead of stopping the stupid thing" |
| 00:57.39 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: regarde koi ? |
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| 00:57.39 | jeff2 | tcsetattr, but until then, wget default ftp mode is only better than passive when you're connecting to an ftp behind a firewall, which is very rare, especially for legitimate ftps |
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| 00:58.29 | g4lt | jeff2 do you realize what passive FTP versus active FTP means? |
| 00:58.41 | tcsetattr | jeff2, I believe historically there have been some popular FTP servers which were buggy in passive mode, that is probably the real reason it never became the default in wget. |
| 00:58.55 | gilles | how to solve this problem : |
| 00:58.56 | gilles | Loading x11 FrontEnd module ... |
| 00:58.56 | gilles | Starting SCIM ... |
| 00:58.56 | gilles | scim::FrontEnd: X11 -- failed to connect to the panel daemon! |
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| 00:59.23 | jeff2 | tcsetattr, hmm, ok. at least wget supports pasv |
| 00:59.27 | jeff2 | g4lt, yes |
| 00:59.50 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: thx, totally easy with skeleton |
| 00:59.55 | jeanpoldeux | good night |
| 00:59.56 | g4lt | jeff then why the hell are you saying that passive FTP is in any way more useful than active FTP? |
| 01:00.08 | gilles | how to solve the following problem : "scim::FrontEnd: X11 -- failed to connect to the panel daemon!" |
| 01:00.09 | thomas_adam | Moron. |
| 01:00.13 | gilles | i'm using kde |
| 01:00.17 | jeff2 | g4lt, scroll up |
| 01:00.19 | thomas_adam | gilles: #debian-kde |
| 01:00.24 | gilles | ok |
| 01:00.25 | thomas_adam | gilles: Bye. |
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| 01:00.59 | g4lt | jeff2 I know your alleged reasoning, I just wonder why the rest of the wrld needs to take a performance hit because it's fucking inconvenient for you |
| 01:02.08 | tcsetattr | here's another good FTP question: why didn't Block Mode ever get widely implemented? |
| 01:02.35 | nailbiter | jeff2: when they say 'behind a firewall', they actually mean the client. :) passive mode is where the _server_ waits passively for the client to connect to it. in active mode, it's the server which connects to the client, which obviously prevents firewalled clients from working then. |
| 01:03.01 | jeff2 | g4lt, what is the performance hit? do you have any references? i wasn't aware of any; but if active ftp is faster, I may reconsider |
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| 01:03.36 | tcsetattr | I don't think there's any real merit to the "performance hit" argument. but switching default options in a widely used program is sure to cause unexpected problems |
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| 01:04.12 | nailbiter | jeff2: there's no difference between active or passive mode in transfer speed, once the data connection gets going. it may be that active or passive mode may be faster in the handshaking needed to set the data connection up, but even that's arguable .. |
| 01:04.29 | g4lt | jeff2 active FTP makes as many parallel connections as necessary/possible to speed up large downloads. passive FTP is necessarily limited to a single connection to do both data and control so therefore is strictly limited to the amount of data that can be pushed through that one connection |
| 01:04.40 | zorton | has anyone tried porting the kernel Makefiles over to jam? |
| 01:04.44 | zorton | or is there a util out there? |
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| 01:04.47 | jeff2 | tcsetattr, many ftp clients already default to passive |
| 01:04.49 | foxcokk | I have an issue with IPMASQ. It keeps printing attempts of connect on the screen and its annoying. I want to just keep it all in the log. I have discovered that it is due to a command like tail -f /var/log/messages but i dont know how to turn it off. Any Help? |
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| 01:06.30 | jeff2 | g4lt, how does requiring the client to initiate the connection limit ftp's ability to make multiple connections? nailbiter, thats what I thought, too |
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| 01:07.10 | TheCoolSn | I am getting errors when trying to make GConf.. |
| 01:07.19 | TheCoolSn | can anyone help me? |
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| 01:07.24 | gilles | how to solve the following problem : "scim::FrontEnd: X11 -- failed to connect to the panel daemon!" (i'm asking again because everybody is sleeping in #debian-kde) |
| 01:07.29 | nailbiter | jeff2: and i don't think being in active or passive mode has any bearing on your ability to open multiple data connections. it just refers to who's initiating the data connection. |
| 01:07.39 | thomas_adam | gilles: FUCKING WELL ASK IN #DEBIAN-KDE |
| 01:07.44 | t-jack | Huh... After I dist=upgraded this time, IP tables seem to be fixed. |
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| 01:07.47 | thomas_adam | gilles: You've been told I don't know how many times. |
| 01:08.01 | fpmc | Hi, any doc to pdf program out there? |
| 01:08.05 | thomas_adam | gilles: And don't tell me "no one answers". |
| 01:08.09 | thomas_adam | !tell gilles about piav |
| 01:08.14 | directhex | fpmc, openoffice.org |
| 01:08.15 | g4lt | jeff2 because passive FTP also doesn't attach a random high port, therefore increasing hte handshaking load |
| 01:08.16 | nvz | fpmc: apt-cache search, for one |
| 01:08.29 | jeff2 | nailbiter, exactly as I thought; so what is g4lt talking about? |
| 01:08.43 | fpmc | directhex: how would I be able to use openoffice to convert to pdf? is it command line, or is it in the GUI? |
| 01:08.46 | TheCoolSn | anyone?? |
| 01:09.02 | jeff2 | g4lt, how does the choice of port number affect the handshaking load? |
| 01:09.03 | directhex | fpmc, you open a doc file... and click the "export to pdf" button |
| 01:09.07 | g4lt | jeff2 if you have a fucking question for me ASK >ME< |
| 01:09.11 | t-jack | thomas_adam, piav? |
| 01:09.15 | thomas_adam | !+piav |
| 01:09.16 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 01:09.18 | fpmc | directhex: thanks |
| 01:09.29 | TheCoolSn | help on making GConf? |
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| 01:09.40 | thomas_adam | TheCoolSn: help on getting a brain? |
| 01:09.54 | TheCoolSn | wth? |
| 01:09.57 | directhex | TheCoolSn, why are you building gconf manually? |
| 01:10.00 | nvz | and mailing lists generally get a wider audience, and more answers, if people in the channel are "sleeping" |
| 01:10.18 | g4lt | jeff2 beacuse in active FTP's case, the ports are already checked on both sides on connect |
| 01:10.24 | nailbiter | foxcokk: you might have to lower the log level at which kernel messages get logged to the console. :) try 'echo 4 4 1 7 >/proc/sys/kernel/printk'? |
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| 01:10.37 | TheCoolSn | umm...sec |
| 01:10.46 | gilles | thomas_adam: ! |
| 01:10.54 | thomas_adam | gilles: Oui? |
| 01:11.03 | nvz | gilles: he's not your damn csh prompt |
| 01:11.09 | foxcokk | I still havent gotten an answer to my question |
| 01:11.10 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.13 | thomas_adam | nvz: heh. |
| 01:11.22 | foxcokk | yes i did |
| 01:11.22 | gilles | thomas_adam: pas cool |
| 01:11.23 | foxcokk | there it is |
| 01:11.29 | thomas_adam | gilles: Well, really! |
| 01:11.30 | TheCoolSn | brb |
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| 01:11.38 | thomas_adam | gilles: I'm sorry I shouted at you. |
| 01:11.45 | thomas_adam | gilles: But we have a repeat rule here.... |
| 01:11.48 | t-jack | thomas_adam, Ah yes. That, of which I'm too often in short supply myself. But I'm working on it. |
| 01:11.54 | thomas_adam | gilles: and I had told you before. |
| 01:11.58 | nvz | !scim |
| 01:12.01 | nailbiter | foxcokk: lower the log levels further. :) hang on .. there's a table of levels around somewhere; lemme find it |
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| 01:12.19 | gilles | thomas_adam: ok, i understand and i'm sorry |
| 01:12.32 | jeff2 | g4lt, wouldn't the ftp server know what ports to send in response to PASV? how does passive require extra checking? |
| 01:12.39 | foxcokk | what exactly does echo 4 4 1 7 >/proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 01:12.43 | foxcokk | do? |
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| 01:12.46 | thomas_adam | gilles: and for the record.... |
| 01:12.51 | thomas_adam | !tell gilles about repeat |
| 01:12.53 | nvz | !info scim |
| 01:12.53 | nailbiter | foxcokk: there's the long explanation here: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/lk/lk-2.html#ss2.8.1 |
| 01:12.58 | dpkg | scim: (Smart Common Input Method platform), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.9.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 877 kB, Installed size: 2072 kB |
| 01:13.07 | cathi | A quick question from quota and filesystem guru : |
| 01:13.19 | g4lt | jeff2 how? passive FTP needs the client to make the connections |
| 01:13.49 | cathi | # quotacheck -c /dev/hda2 |
| 01:13.49 | cathi | quotacheck: Cannot remount filesystem mounted on / read-only so counted values might not be right. |
| 01:13.49 | cathi | Please stop all programs writing to filesystem or use -m flag to force checking. |
| 01:13.52 | jeff2 | g4lt, exactly how does that incur any overhead? |
| 01:14.22 | nvz | cool I guess |
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| 01:14.40 | g4lt | jeff2 because the server cannot _a priori_ map out the open high ports |
| 01:14.58 | gilles | thomas_adam: !tell thomas_adam about kindness |
| 01:15.03 | cathi | dear all, I have a question. |
| 01:15.06 | nvz | I wonder if I can use SCIM to get those stubborn MM Keyboards to work, the ones that dont map actual keycodes to their buttons |
| 01:15.17 | g4lt | jeff2 and you WILL at least give me the fact that the ports on the server side are going to be the scarce ones? |
| 01:15.19 | thomas_adam | gilles: I am, as it happens. I just run out of patience after a while. |
| 01:15.48 | thomas_adam | gilles: Especially when supplying an error message with no context, and expecting us to know what it is immediately is a bit harsh on us. |
| 01:16.00 | thomas_adam | gilles: n'est pas? |
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| 01:16.28 | slashzul | anyone know how to permanently add networking to my rebooted new kernel |
| 01:16.31 | nailbiter | nvz: you want to map those multimedia keys for use in X11? |
| 01:16.36 | thomas_adam | !tell slashzul about interfaces |
| 01:16.43 | slashzul | i did setup /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:16.51 | thomas_adam | slashzul: also add your NIC module name to /etc/modules |
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| 01:16.56 | janelame | errm hi. |
| 01:16.58 | slashzul | aaaaaaaaaaah |
| 01:17.01 | gilles | thomas_adam: ban me, do whatever you like, but the way you treat me is very irritating |
| 01:17.03 | slashzul | thats it |
| 01:17.06 | jeff2 | g4lt, it can use bind() to choose a random port. and for every connection, server- or client-initiated, the server requires a local port, so it makes no difference who initiates the connection in port scarcity |
| 01:17.09 | thomas_adam | !annoy gilles |
| 01:17.20 | nvz | nailbiter: I think it would be slick if I could use MM keys in console, but yeah.. the one I got now, only the Paste and Search have actual keycodes, it has a bunch of silver buttons, and those are the only two that have a scancode |
| 01:17.40 | nvz | nailbiter: since only two of them report anything, I didnt even install hotkeys |
| 01:17.56 | janelame | i installed a new kernel with apt. now x11 won't run. claims "failed to initialize core devices". it won't find my regular ps2 mouse |
| 01:18.03 | janelame | what to do? |
| 01:18.08 | slashzul | hey thomas_adam , just noticed my e1000 is in there |
| 01:18.14 | thomas_adam | janelame: Well... |
| 01:18.14 | nvz | nailbiter: why you know something I dont about those kind of keys? |
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| 01:18.25 | thomas_adam | janelame: join me in #flood |
| 01:18.38 | t-jack | !test |
| 01:18.38 | dpkg | No, t-jack, you're not online any more. |
| 01:18.40 | t-jack | Looks like I spoke too soon... |
| 01:18.41 | g4lt | jeff2 scarcity makes ALL the difference, since the server will fail bind() first, and must transmit the failure rather than simply not making the next connection |
| 01:18.44 | cef_work | jeff2: true, though if a port remains unclaimed, then it sits there waiting till it's destroyed by a timeout.. and afaik, a connect timeout is shorter than a listening timeout (from long unused memory here) |
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| 01:18.49 | nvz | janelame: very simple issue really |
| 01:18.52 | cathi | dear all, I have a question. |
| 01:18.55 | nailbiter | nvz: there's a nice template keymap for a Compaq multimedia keyboard in /etc/X11/xkb somewhere; it should generate the keycodes you need .. lemme find it |
| 01:19.07 | nvz | janelame: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, change mouse device to /dev/input/mice |
| 01:19.10 | nailbiter | nvz: and even if it's not .. you can always rearrange them by trial and error. :) |
| 01:19.12 | janelame | i can't copy-paste anyway without x11 |
| 01:19.22 | nvz | janelame: that is if you upgraded to 2.6 from 2.4 |
| 01:19.22 | janelame | nvz - been there done that. |
| 01:19.28 | slashzul | is there nuther file besides /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/modules that I need to keep my network up from boot to boot |
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| 01:19.31 | cathi | dear all, I have a quota question. |
| 01:19.32 | jeff2 | g4lt, bind() to port 0 automatically binds to an unused port, chosen by the kernel. it doesn't try to bind to unused ports |
| 01:19.40 | janelame | nvz - precisely |
| 01:19.46 | nvz | janelame: oh, well in 2.6 the ps2 mouse device is mapped under input not /dev/psaux |
| 01:19.51 | g4lt | jeff2 and if you think tha tbind() is a relatively cheap computation, you are sorely mistaken |
| 01:19.55 | janelame | yet i get an error when i startx |
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| 01:19.59 | nvz | janelame: it may also require a different module name |
| 01:19.59 | greg_work | can anyone recommend an alterantive to xfree86 (preferably thats in sarge) .. one that doesnt completly lock up if the ps/2 mouse is unplugged would be nice.. |
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| 01:20.13 | janelame | nvz - i have a touchpad too. it's a laptop. maybe that's it? |
| 01:20.19 | TheCoolSn | KSIrc LOL |
| 01:20.27 | janelame | i think it's a synaptics touchpad |
| 01:20.42 | thomas_adam | greg_work: mgr |
| 01:20.44 | nvz | janelame: module name and device name differences cause this problem alot when going from 2.4 -> 2.6 |
| 01:20.47 | malex | Do you know, by any chance, how to compare two cells in Calc? Like a function to put "1" into a cell if one of the two compared cells is bigger than the other. |
| 01:20.58 | g4lt | jeff2 if you're so knowlegable about wget's internals, recode the fucking thing yourself |
| 01:20.59 | thomas_adam | malex: #maths |
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| 01:21.08 | janelame | btw, i started the 2.6.7 kernel once with my old x11 and it went just fine. it all started when i tried to compile alsa |
| 01:21.11 | malex | thomas_adam: thanks. |
| 01:21.22 | greg_work | thomas_adam: is that in apt? |
| 01:21.26 | thomas_adam | janelame: You're pissing me off. |
| 01:21.28 | nvz | janelame: if its synaptics, you should try using gpm for X.. they have a driver that uses all of the additional features those have |
| 01:21.35 | thomas_adam | greg_work: www.waybackmachine.org |
| 01:21.41 | janelame | thomas_adam - explain |
| 01:21.43 | nvz | thomas_adam: better to get pissed off, than pissed on |
| 01:21.46 | foxcokk | nailbiter: I read the manual on the page u sent me about printk. the command i was told earlier worked, but there is so much thats missing. the printk file only need 4 number? |
| 01:21.51 | thomas_adam | greg_work: I never could get it to work and that was in 1998 I tried. |
| 01:21.55 | beeblebrox87 | i'm trying to implement encrypted home directories with pam_mount |
| 01:21.56 | jeff2 | g4lt, hmm, so you basically want to distribute the bind()s across each client, instead of centralizing them on the server. I can see where you're coming from |
| 01:21.58 | thomas_adam | nvz: I dunno... |
| 01:22.03 | thomas_adam | Golden showers. |
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| 01:22.06 | nvz | he |
| 01:22.10 | nvz | haw |
| 01:22.10 | Mandork_ | howdy |
| 01:22.12 | janelame | nvz - thanks you *bows*. i'll try gpm |
| 01:22.14 | nvz | howdy |
| 01:22.15 | greg_work | thomas_adam: heh, ok :p |
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| 01:22.28 | thomas_adam | greg_work: Basically, you should fix your errors. |
| 01:22.43 | greg_work | thomas_adam: i just need something that can run firefox, and i have too many problems with xfree86 |
| 01:22.48 | nvz | janelame: I read about that when I had a laptop with synaptics.. it said it was gpm 1.20 IIRC that added the synaptics driver |
| 01:22.49 | greg_work | thomas_adam: yeah, perhaps. |
| 01:23.01 | beeblebrox87 | but it tries to use losetup -k to specify key length |
| 01:23.03 | thomas_adam | greg_work: You are wayyyy out, ffs. |
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| 01:23.21 | nvz | janelame: I could probably find a config file on the web for it.. because the synaptics touchpads have _alot_ of features |
| 01:23.21 | beeblebrox87 | debian's util-linux's losetup doesn't have a -k flag, and i can't find patches for any version later than 2.11r |
| 01:23.23 | jeff2 | greg_work, you might want to try links -g, it can run in svga mode iirc, and doesn't need X |
| 01:23.30 | Mandork_ | a quick question here, is ATI 3d (AMC) turbo pro work with glx ? |
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| 01:23.50 | t-jack | Someone said days ago I might be suffering some sort of IP/packet collision. How might I troubleshoot that? |
| 01:23.52 | greg_work | jeff2: oh? .. probably not standards-compliant enough .. but i will check it out |
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| 01:24.04 | greg_work | thomas_adam: way out for what? using xf86? |
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| 01:24.19 | g4lt | Mandork_ sort of. use the DRI trunk, but don't expect miracles |
| 01:24.21 | jeff2 | greg_work, its not as featured as mozilla, but works surprisingly well |
| 01:24.29 | thomas_adam | greg_work: No for thinking that your errors are special enough that you need an alternate xserver to xfree86 |
| 01:24.36 | deadcat | for a while. i thought IIRC was an irc client. (= |
| 01:24.44 | nvz | g4lt: what about my S3 Virge DX ;) heh |
| 01:24.48 | greg_work | thomas_adam: oh, yeah. well :) i'm lazy, when stuff like that breaks it just annoys me |
| 01:24.58 | Mandork_ | g4lt: will it run armagetron smoothly ? |
| 01:25.05 | thomas_adam | greg_work: If you say that in here, you will get lynched. |
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| 01:25.11 | greg_work | thomas_adam: i know :0 |
| 01:25.12 | thomas_adam | greg_work: woops, too late. |
| 01:25.14 | g4lt | nvz S3 and DRI are just never going to meet, I'm afraid |
| 01:25.21 | thomas_adam | nvz: install moon-buggy |
| 01:25.30 | nvz | please.. |
| 01:25.37 | thomas_adam | moon-buggy rocks! |
| 01:25.43 | thomas_adam | literally. :) |
| 01:25.43 | nvz | might as well sell trex for a commodore |
| 01:25.44 | pirateOfDOOM | anyone familier with using apt-get with backports.org willing to try and help me get a package installed that way? |
| 01:25.48 | g4lt | Mandork_ that would qualify as a miracle |
| 01:26.04 | Mandork_ | damn, what the hell is moon-buggy |
| 01:26.05 | thomas_adam | pirateOfDOOM: Nope, sine backports are unoffical. |
| 01:26.16 | thomas_adam | Mandork_: It's the best game out. |
| 01:26.32 | thomas_adam | pirateOfDOOM: Take your issue up with the respective maintainer. |
| 01:26.32 | Mandork_ | freeware ? |
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| 01:26.45 | thomas_adam | Mandork_: WTF? |
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| 01:26.49 | thomas_adam | !freeware |
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| 01:27.02 | pirateOfDOOM | thomas_adam: ahh, well I don't really need help after it is installed, I just think I don't have apt-get setup correctly with the apt/sources.list to actually get the package |
| 01:27.03 | Mandork_ | GNU ware |
| 01:27.11 | beeblebrox87 | any idea how i can get encrypted home directories working without downgrading util-linux? |
| 01:27.19 | Tezkah | can I install Java with apt, or do I need to go to Sun's page? |
| 01:27.19 | Mandork_ | moon-buggy |
| 01:27.25 | thomas_adam | beeblebrox87: chmod -R 000 /home |
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| 01:27.45 | thomas_adam | !tell Tezkah about java |
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| 01:27.51 | thomas_adam | !tell Tezkah about get-blackdown |
| 01:27.52 | cef_work | pirateOfDOOM: what are you trying to install? |
| 01:28.06 | pirateOfDOOM | cef_work: net-snmp |
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| 01:28.30 | Mandork_ | ok, now that's out of the way, I can't find any audio with modconf any ideas ? |
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| 01:28.55 | pirateOfDOOM | cef_work: doing an apt-get update seems to download the appropriate Packages and Release files, but then apt-get install claims the package in question doesn't exist (though it is in the Packages file) |
| 01:28.57 | cef_work | pirateOfDOOM: ok usually it's 'deb http://www.backports.org/debian woody packagename' |
| 01:29.42 | beeblebrox87 | thomas_adam: and if "they" steal my hard drive? |
| 01:29.52 | thomas_adam | beeblebrox87: Then you really are a moron. |
| 01:30.26 | synz | thomas_adam: I think what he's trying to say is he has sensative material on the hard drive. what if it gets stolen? |
| 01:30.37 | janelame | i just double-checked... my mouse is gone. it's not on /dev/psaux and not on /dev/input/mice. "no such device". and x won't start. what can i do? |
| 01:30.38 | synz | s/material/data |
| 01:30.44 | thomas_adam | synz: Oh, now that's phrased so much better. :) |
| 01:30.48 | beeblebrox87 | thomas_adam: why? i carry my system all over the world. it goes through customs on a monthly basis, and weekly goes through areas where people are regularly mugged/carjacked/have computers stolen |
| 01:30.50 | Mandork_ | beeblebrox87: something you want to protect ;) |
| 01:31.03 | thomas_adam | beeblebrox87: I understand what you're asking now. |
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| 01:31.13 | thomas_adam | pr0n. |
| 01:31.18 | beeblebrox87 | heh |
| 01:31.19 | synz | lol |
| 01:31.19 | pirateOfDOOM | cef_work: yeah I have used that in my sources.list but it can't find the packages |
| 01:31.21 | janelame | thomas_adam - i'd suggest a golden shower in exchange for a solution, but that would be cheesy |
| 01:31.22 | synz | GOTS to be |
| 01:31.29 | beeblebrox87 | why keep that on your HDD when its all over the net? |
| 01:31.31 | Mandork_ | tried (hip) "hide in picture" ? |
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| 01:31.50 | Mandork_ | why would you hide pron |
| 01:31.50 | thomas_adam | janelame: You have the wrong idea about me. |
| 01:32.01 | Mandork_ | that's something that should be share |
| 01:32.01 | thomas_adam | Mandork_: g0ats? |
| 01:32.12 | beeblebrox87 | thomas_adam: true, i don't really need it, but it seems like a cool idea |
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| 01:32.20 | thomas_adam | beeblebrox87: Oh "cool".... |
| 01:32.21 | synz | Mandork_: a golden shower? who are we raining on? |
| 01:32.25 | Mandork_ | thomas_adam: lolitas ? |
| 01:32.27 | janelame | can anyone please help me with the mouse issue? |
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| 01:32.40 | beeblebrox87 | of course, i might need it shortly, the way the US is going (glad i don't live here) |
| 01:32.43 | thomas_adam | janelame: I told you what to do in =flood, you ignored me. So now I ignore you. |
| 01:32.55 | cef_work | pirateOfDOOM: what packages are you trying to install? net-snmp itself isn't a package. it's a collection of tools and libs that appear under diff package names |
| 01:32.57 | JaneLame | thomas_adam - sorry, i didn't see. |
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| 01:33.10 | peppo | can anyone name a GTK2 application currently in unstable beside GIMP that uses the old file selector and can open .png files? |
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| 01:33.14 | JaneLame | i think bx has some flood protect thing, i dunno |
| 01:33.15 | J_P | hi all |
| 01:33.24 | thomas_adam | peppo: #homework |
| 01:33.32 | JaneLame | if you repeat it i'd be greatful |
| 01:33.36 | thomas_adam | J_P: what now? |
| 01:33.37 | g4lt | JaneLame /fprot off |
| 01:33.46 | J_P | people, fonts in mozilla are bad... have anyone packge for more fonts for see better text on mozilla : |
| 01:33.46 | peppo | thomas_adam, excuse me? |
| 01:33.51 | synz | peppo: xv? |
| 01:33.55 | synz | xview |
| 01:33.57 | Mandork_ | ok, anyone could help me with modconf ? |
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| 01:34.07 | thomas_adam | Mandork_: JAYFQ |
| 01:34.08 | peppo | SyAtWork, xv does not use GTK2, does it? |
| 01:34.11 | cef_work | pirateOfDOOM: snmp, snmpd, tkmib, libsnmp-base, libsnmp-perl, libsnmp5, libsnmp5-dev |
| 01:34.11 | Mandork_ | can't find any audio modules |
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| 01:34.17 | beeblebrox87 | synz: xv isnt in main |
| 01:34.23 | thomas_adam | peppo: Why don't you ask in #gtk+ on irc.gimp.org ? |
| 01:34.27 | synz | Mandork_: modconf simply configures modules... nothing more |
| 01:34.27 | thomas_adam | peppo: bye now. |
| 01:34.32 | skaught | J_P: what ver. of mozilla? |
| 01:34.32 | g4lt | beeblebrox87 xv isn't in Debian at all |
| 01:34.39 | thomas_adam | g4lt: Thank god. |
| 01:34.43 | Mandork_ | oh, well, how do I add one ? |
| 01:34.54 | J_P | skaught: 1.6 |
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| 01:34.59 | peppo | thomas_adam, because this relates to what's availible in Debian unstable. good bye (sad to see you go). |
| 01:35.09 | g4lt | thomas_adam why thank god, the next best thing is pornvies |
| 01:35.23 | skaught | J_P: 1.6 hasn't been compiled with GTK2 support, if you want you can upgrade to the 1.7.1 package in unstable. |
| 01:35.28 | Mandork_ | what's pornvies ? |
| 01:35.36 | g4lt | !info pornview |
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| 01:35.38 | thomas_adam | g4lt: heh. [x]zgv |
| 01:35.38 | skaught | J_P: That is, with GTK2 gecko rendering support |
| 01:35.38 | OlsiDr | rg |
| 01:35.41 | dpkg | pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 217 kB, Installed size: 636 kB |
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| 01:35.42 | synz | peppo: that's the only other graphic viewer I know of other than gimp |
| 01:35.42 | Tezkah | hehe, pornview is naughty >.> |
| 01:35.49 | pirateOfDOOM | cef_work yeah when I try to install those it goes and tryes to install versions not from backport |
| 01:35.51 | synz | er, beeblebrox87 |
| 01:35.54 | beeblebrox87 | anybody know how to encrypt my home directory without downgrading losetup? |
| 01:36.00 | synz | peppo: misfire, sorry |
| 01:36.02 | J_P | skaught: if i upgrade then fonts is better.. ? |
| 01:36.03 | JaneLame | Mandork_ sounds like pr0n+movies |
| 01:36.03 | beeblebrox87 | synz: kview |
| 01:36.28 | Mandork_ | thought it was winmx |
| 01:36.30 | synz | beeblebrox87: no sure, I don't use kde or any of their utils |
| 01:36.36 | skaught | J_P: That's the idea, fonts in mozilla (rendered with xft) look great to me |
| 01:36.52 | g4lt | JaneLame note the fact that altogether it's 600kB |
| 01:37.04 | JaneLame | what is 600kb |
| 01:37.06 | cef_work | there's also gqview |
| 01:37.10 | thomas_adam | !tell JaneLame about msg |
| 01:37.10 | J_P | skaught: is good for you in unstable right.. |
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| 01:37.19 | skaught | J_P: That's correct |
| 01:37.28 | g4lt | JaneLame 1/2 of a HD 5.25" floppy |
| 01:37.33 | synz | can I use DOS's doublespace on my linux partition? :-) |
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| 01:37.37 | cef_work | and if you have opengl, gliv |
| 01:37.40 | g4lt | synz no |
| 01:37.40 | thomas_adam | synz: ? :) |
| 01:37.43 | synz | lol |
| 01:37.58 | synz | had to see who would get a rise out of that one :-) |
| 01:37.58 | g4lt | synz however you can use cramfs |
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| 01:38.00 | skaught | doublespace, puke |
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| 01:38.06 | J_P | skaught: i am installing xfonts*... |
| 01:38.17 | synz | can I use QEMM with linux? :-) |
| 01:38.30 | synz | heh, that's enough. I'll stop now |
| 01:38.31 | Mandork_ | modules, help, hello |
| 01:38.32 | thomas_adam | synz: can you get a fucking clue? |
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| 01:38.37 | g4lt | synz Desqview/X, yes |
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| 01:39.02 | synz | g4lt: are you serious? there's such a beast? |
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| 01:39.46 | synz | on the real, though... is there a cisco channel here?... for cisco router help? |
| 01:39.47 | g4lt | synz yes, it's X11R5. you can use it as an xterminal, one would suppose |
| 01:40.00 | synz | g4lt: very interesting |
| 01:40.18 | J_P | skaught: but mozilla in unstable not have mozillalocales-ptbr |
| 01:40.56 | g4lt | I tink it might even be R3 or R4 on further recollection.... |
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| 01:41.51 | lowks | how do i set the apt timeout to be longer so that it don get timed out while downloading bigger deb packages ? |