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| 00:00.25 | Duke | T_Void: how can i compile a kernel on one box for another box?!? |
| 00:00.38 | T_VoiD | MarcN: any program able to use a mp3/ogg file has surely an option to dump the result on a file instead of playing it |
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| 00:00.49 | T_VoiD | MarcN: and the dump will be a wav |
| 00:01.18 | MarcN | T_VoiD, I just tried mp32ogg file.mp3; oggdec file.ogg; xine file.wav |
| 00:01.33 | kingsley | Duke: I vaguely recall that a package exists which can do that and suggest looking for it with "apt-cache search kernel | less" |
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| 00:01.55 | T_VoiD | MarcN: mpg321 has the option |
| 00:02.15 | pmwilson | Duke: how do you think you get a kernel in the first place when you didn't compile it yourself. hint: it was compiled on another 'box' as long as they are the same architecture, you can just compile as usual. if one is an x86 pc and the other is a powerpc, then it's more complicated. you'll need to do something called 'cross-compiling' |
| 00:02.15 | T_VoiD | MarcN: i tell that because it's installed here, i'm sure other (even those you tried) have it |
| 00:02.18 | drakeman | pmwilson: 1Ghz celeron with 256MB ram :P took me ~10 minutes on gentoo, can i expect the same time here? |
| 00:02.21 | MarcN | T_VoiD, thanks. That saves me a step. |
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| 00:02.50 | Snadder | is it possible to compile my own kernel.. and update that kernel automaticly?.. with apt-get? |
| 00:02.52 | kingsley | The application named "unhtml" leaves ugly "|" where " "s used to be when I filter html out of emails in vim. Is there a better filter than unhtml? |
| 00:02.55 | drakeman | what modules do i need to load for the mouse? (PS) |
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| 00:03.26 | MarcN | T_VoiD, I'm off to convert to wav and then use wav2cdr & cdrecord those tunes for my wife. Thanks. |
| 00:03.36 | pmwilson | Duke: a package called kernel-package can be very helpful in that it will compile a kernel and package it up in a .deb ... then you can just copy that .deb to your other machine and install it using 'dpkg -i kernel.deb' |
| 00:03.40 | kingsley | Snadder: apt-cache search kernel | less |
| 00:03.54 | pmwilson | Snadder: not really. |
| 00:03.58 | T_VoiD | MarcN: wav is a non-encoded sound actually. when something decodes mp3 or vorbis it just gets a wav stream as result. the only thing the option has to care is to direct this stream to a normal file instead of audio devices |
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| 00:04.33 | drakeman | so youre starting a hosting company? |
| 00:04.50 | pmwilson | Snadder: well... yes. if you keep updating/compiling new versions and set things up so that apt uses the directory as a repository.......... |
| 00:05.09 | Q3Man | who is setting up a hostinc company? |
| 00:05.18 | kingsley | Is there a way, besides looking in /var/log/messages, to diagnose why a box crashed after it reboots? |
| 00:05.18 | Q3Man | *hosting |
| 00:05.55 | Q3Man | kingsley, unless its in another log file or you have a kernel dump its going to be very tough |
| 00:06.04 | creature | Hey all. I'm having some troubles installing Debian on my new laptop. I've got to the base install part, and want to do it from the net. Whatever I give it as a download URL, it reports "The server was unavailable or contained no Release file". The logs on tty3 say "wget: : Unknown server error". But I can ping google and I can ping other machines on my network. So what's up with it? |
| 00:06.13 | ArT1K | can someone please help me configure sendmail ? |
| 00:06.13 | Snadder | pmwilson, could you direct me to any docs about howto?.. if its not VERY much work |
| 00:06.23 | Snadder | *or howto's* |
| 00:06.32 | Q3Man | ArT1K, heh.. that's a big project :) |
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| 00:06.42 | pmwilson | Snadder: well... it's definately not worth it for just one machine |
| 00:06.52 | kingsley | Q3Man: Have you ever tried getting a kernel dump? If so, how well did it work for you? |
| 00:07.06 | Snadder | sure.. but I want to know how its done.. |
| 00:07.10 | ArT1K | q3man , ;D , hmm , i would be very gratefull ,if somebody would help me |
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| 00:07.21 | ArT1K | i tried to read tutorials |
| 00:07.27 | ArT1K | but i still got questions |
| 00:07.29 | Snadder | even if it aint worth for just my machine |
| 00:07.31 | pmwilson | Snadder: if you're going to compile a new kernel anyway, it's two commands to remove the old one and install the new one (or hell... just keep installing the new one and leave the old ones around in case something goes wrong) |
| 00:07.39 | Q3Man | kingsley, its never been worth the effort for me.. I've never encountered a non-reproduceable intermittantly reoccuring problem that wasn't hardware related |
| 00:07.46 | lknyshov | arturaz:use webmin to configure sendmail |
| 00:07.47 | kingsley | creature: I'd google for an answer with the specific command you used and the specific error message. |
| 00:07.49 | Xenguy | ArT1K: seriously, yer better off with postfix or exim unless there is a compelling reason to run sendmail (YMMV) |
| 00:08.20 | Q3Man | ArT1K, there are several dozen tutorials out there on how to configure it, but unless you need sendmail for a *very* specific reason, you are better off with qmail/postfix/exim |
| 00:08.26 | kingsley | Q3Man: Mine may be hardware too. I just added a gateway and the first one failed completely. |
| 00:08.27 | creature | kingsley - I've turned up a few bug reports on the debian mailing lists, but they're pretty inpentrable to me. |
| 00:08.31 | Snadder | pmwilson, which commands, I cant remember.. I've used an command before.. which compiles the kernel. and stuff |
| 00:08.46 | creature | It's not so much a specific command I used, either - it's a standard part of the net install, at least AFAIK. I'm sure I've done this before with no problems. |
| 00:08.55 | Zapelius | I had a nfs-mount to my notebook. I forgot to umount it as I shut the nb down. Now every process accessing that dir hangs and won't even be killed by -KILL (root). |
| 00:08.57 | pmwilson | Snadder: if you want to be able to do aptitude -u upgrade' or whatever... then you will have to set up Package files and a tree and update the Package file every time you compile a new kernel |
| 00:08.58 | ArT1K | ok |
| 00:08.59 | Zapelius | How do I umount the dir without rebooting? |
| 00:09.10 | Zapelius | umount -f isn't the thing.. |
| 00:09.12 | ArT1K | which is the easiest to configure qmail/postfix/exim ? |
| 00:09.26 | pmwilson | Snadder: compile the kernel by configuring it first (make menuconfig) (or make xconfig) (or whatever) |
| 00:09.27 | T_VoiD | creature: there's no default install source offered (without you having to actually type it) ? |
| 00:09.37 | Q3Man | ArT1K, probably postfix, but everyone is going to have a different opinion. I run qmail myself |
| 00:09.47 | bahadunn | postfix rules |
| 00:09.50 | bahadunn | no wait |
| 00:09.54 | pmwilson | Snadder: then make-kpkg binary-arch |
| 00:09.55 | bahadunn | postfix ownz |
| 00:10.00 | Snadder | pmwilson, yep.. I remember the normal commands for compiling kernels.. but not the debian spesific. |
| 00:10.01 | creature | T_VoiD - there was, but it disappears once you've tried to set it yourself (which I did, I was trying to get it to use apt-proxy on a machine on my network). |
| 00:10.01 | hrnt | hmm.. i seem to get "origin signature check failed" when i try to install new packages and aptitude refuses to continue... any advice what i can do to install those packages? |
| 00:10.15 | ArT1K | i am going to try postfix i think |
| 00:10.15 | Snadder | hmm. k... |
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| 00:10.21 | Snadder | anything more? |
| 00:10.26 | pmwilson | Snadder: or just make-kpkg kernel_image if you don't want the header package too |
| 00:10.32 | drakeman | is it possible to set it so that each kernel/x leads its own config file? (i.e. if i have drivers which are kernel particular) |
| 00:10.34 | T_VoiD | Zapelius: next time use the option intr in your client mounts. allow to kill hung programs when the server is down |
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| 00:10.53 | pmwilson | Snadder: then dpkg -i ../kernel-image-whatever-you-just-made.deb |
| 00:11.13 | Snadder | pmwilson, yep. exactly what I've done before.. |
| 00:11.20 | Zapelius | T_VoiD, will do. but now I quess I have to reboot? |
| 00:11.22 | pmwilson | Snadder: install kernel-package to be able to do the make-kpkg stuff. |
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| 00:11.27 | T_VoiD | Zapelius: either intr (with hard mount) or soft mount (but soft mount could be less efficient, especially if you're write intensive) |
| 00:11.34 | Snadder | but now.... how far is this from getting it updated too? |
| 00:11.41 | ArT1K | now , who wanna help me configure postfix ? ;D |
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| 00:11.48 | T_VoiD | Zapelius: turn the nfs server up |
| 00:11.57 | ArT1K | no volunteers ? i will choose myself |
| 00:11.58 | pmwilson | Snadder: when you install a new image, it becomes your default image |
| 00:12.06 | pmwilson | Snadder: you just reboot and you're running the new one |
| 00:12.08 | Shadur | ~tell ArT1K about ask |
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| 00:12.15 | T_VoiD | Zapelius: of you get back access to the nfs server (and of course keep same ip) your programs should respond again$ |
| 00:12.16 | Bix | alguem fala portugues? |
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| 00:12.19 | pmwilson | Snadder: what do you mean "getting it updated" !?!?! |
| 00:12.19 | hrnt | well.. seems like removing debsigs-verify package helped. |
| 00:12.31 | sussudio | !portuguese |
| 00:12.32 | dpkg | methinks portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:12.49 | drakeman | do yuo mean that 012 hosts them, or that you have them at your home/office with a 012 connection? |
| 00:12.50 | Snadder | pmwilson: sure sure.. I mean.. getting it updated to the latest kernel.. with apt-get |
| 00:12.59 | Snadder | but I think I maybe skip that |
| 00:13.02 | creature | T_VoiD - I don't suppose you have a known-good URL so I can do a net base install? |
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| 00:13.19 | pmwilson | Snadder: oh... well.. you'd just have to get the new source |
| 00:13.25 | Snadder | now.. the next thing is to get the latest 2.6 kernel from apt |
| 00:13.32 | T_VoiD | Zapelius: also i just read a bit, it's possible "intr" isn't actually supported. try soft instead hehe |
| 00:13.36 | Snadder | pmwilson, okok.. i'll update it manually every time.. |
| 00:13.57 | Snadder | I suppose thats in unstable |
| 00:14.07 | Zapelius | T_VoiD, yes, got it. thanks :) |
| 00:14.09 | T_VoiD | Zapelius: and raeding more yes it seems to be supported :p |
| 00:14.20 | pmwilson | Snadder: you can install the virtual kernel-source-2.4 package, and i'll keep you up to date w/ the most recent kernel-source-2.4.*.tar.bz2 archive |
| 00:14.40 | Bix | Letīs in english then... |
| 00:14.42 | sciboy | I want to install a non-dpkged application and i was wondering if there was certain guidelines i should follow about where to put it and how do make the application runnable from any folder.? |
| 00:14.49 | pmwilson | Snadder: the newest will just be sitting in /usr/src/ |
| 00:14.53 | T_VoiD | creature: well no way to restart the install to have it back? ;) |
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| 00:15.07 | T_VoiD | creature: you're at install time? no reboot done so far? |
| 00:15.23 | Snadder | pmwilson, what about 2.6 kernels? |
| 00:15.24 | Bix | What about Sarge? Why delay too much! |
| 00:15.25 | pmwilson | Snadder: just uncompress it tar jxf blah.tar.bz2 and copy your old config file over to the new directory |
| 00:15.30 | ameoba | Trying to get Sun's java plugin (1.4.2_02) going with Mozilla 1.6 (in testing). It works just fine in Firefox but doesn't in Mozilla, what gives? |
| 00:15.31 | pmwilson | Snadder: same thing. |
| 00:15.38 | xtz | can anyone help me ? i just installed kernel 2.4 on debian 3.0 r2, i lost my two NIC, in /proc/pci they appears as using the same memory addresses |
| 00:15.51 | Snadder | nice.. didnt know that:D |
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| 00:15.55 | pmwilson | Snadder: the config file is named '.config' and it's in the root of the build directory |
| 00:15.59 | creature | T_VoiD - I'm at install time. I've done the modules thing, and gone through a variety of hoops to get it to this stage on the laptop. |
| 00:16.05 | jarango | How do I reconfigure a package ? |
| 00:16.05 | creature | Boot floppies. Joy. |
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| 00:16.17 | pmwilson | jarango: dpkg-reconfigure package_name |
| 00:16.18 | creature | I'm at the "install the base system" stage. |
| 00:16.18 | ameoba | jarango: dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 00:16.19 | Snadder | pmwilson, nice nice:DD |
| 00:16.28 | drakeman | is it possible to set it so that each kernel/x leads its own config file? (i.e. if i have drivers which are kernel particular) |
| 00:16.31 | jarango | thanks |
| 00:16.58 | creature | Oooh, I've got an idea. |
| 00:16.59 | pmwilson | drakeman: what does "leads its own config file" mean? |
| 00:17.28 | T_VoiD | creature: well i don't install that often so no i can't remember what to put. i'd just restart the install, wouldn't try using a proxy server, and would install *nothing* beside base and perhaps pcmcia if it's needed... then once the system is really up, i'd try to change settings to use the proxy |
| 00:17.45 | Duke | pmwilson: how can i copy the .deb to the other machine if it has SATA HD's? |
| 00:17.48 | drakeman | pmwilson: basically, i want each kernel to load different stuff in X |
| 00:17.55 | T_VoiD | creature: and install the big stuff (x ...) |
| 00:18.05 | creature | OK, I'll try that, I think. |
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| 00:18.29 | T_VoiD | creature: maybe not best, but simpler |
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| 00:18.39 | creature | Can I just pick the "restart installation system" option or should I completely reboot? |
| 00:18.54 | T_VoiD | creature: try restart and see . faster than rebooting to know hehe |
| 00:19.04 | creature | Nah, it doesn't like that. |
| 00:19.05 | pmwilson | drakeman: i don't know what you're talking about. you mean have your x session start w/ different programs depending on the kernel version? |
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| 00:19.19 | pmwilson | drakeman: can you give an example? |
| 00:19.31 | xtz | can anyone help me ? i just installed kernel 2.4 on debian 3.0 r2, i lost my two NIC, in /proc/pci they appears as using the same memory addresses |
| 00:20.03 | pmwilson | Duke: use a spare HD? CD-R? i don't understand the problem. |
| 00:20.45 | pmwilson | xtz: did you have linux before and they worked? what version? what's changed? |
| 00:20.50 | sciboy | Where does debian store the applications? |
| 00:21.08 | pmwilson | sciboy: different parts go in different places |
| 00:21.15 | drakeman | pmwilson: no, i mean X starts with different configuration.. for instance, if i boot the 2.6 kernel, i want X to load the nvidia driver, and if the 2.2, i want it to load the nv driver |
| 00:21.58 | xtz | i have installed debian 3.0 r2, all worked fine. I upgraded the kernel from 2.2 to 2.4, since there it wont take my network adapters :( |
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| 00:22.42 | pmwilson | sciboy: you can look at the LSB documentation to see what goes where. the binaries are either in /bin or /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin probably |
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| 00:23.17 | pmwilson | drakeman: *OH*.... interesting. well... yes... anything is possible. how do you currently start X ? is it started by gdm/xdm/kdm ? |
| 00:23.54 | drakeman | pmwilson: yes |
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| 00:24.28 | pmwilson | drakeman: so, there are different issues... first did you compile any of the video stuff as a module for the kernle? |
| 00:24.30 | T_VoiD | xtz: maybe the driver on your new kernel for those cards isn't present anymore, or not loaded ? what are the card models? |
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| 00:25.03 | drakeman | pmwilson: i think i did (hope) |
| 00:25.14 | xtz | both realtek -> RTL-8139 |
| 00:25.14 | lknyshov | OK. universal solution for that mail problem. exim -qf for those curious. |
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| 00:25.55 | T_VoiD | xtz: oh i think this card got new driver updates (like 3 versions of it has been existing) |
| 00:26.01 | pmwilson | drakeman: i mean as modules vs. compiled in to the main binary |
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| 00:26.18 | xtz | T_VoiD: how do i install it ? |
| 00:26.30 | xtz | (i'm absolute newbie) |
| 00:26.32 | T_VoiD | xtz: it's surely there, wait a bit i'm checking something |
| 00:26.45 | xtz | ok |
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| 00:27.00 | Jerry_ | Hi. My new Debian box is behind a dialup modem. But I've got DSL for a few hours from a Windoze box and I have a CD burner. Is there a way to download packages that I can apply later from the CD once I'm back to my Debian box? |
| 00:27.03 | EvilRick | How do I clear pending actions in dselect? |
| 00:27.09 | drakeman | pmwilson: i know what you meant :D im preety sure they are loaded as a module |
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| 00:27.23 | lknyshov | Jerry_: download some ISOs perhaps? :) |
| 00:27.25 | T_VoiD | xtz: you have your system running right now while we are speaking? |
| 00:27.30 | pmwilson | drakeman: figure out how to manually start up everything under 2.6 |
| 00:27.46 | xtz | T_VoiD yes |
| 00:27.53 | pmwilson | drakeman: then you can easily set up a script to do it the right way |
| 00:27.55 | huh | hey, im having some problems getting php to work with apache, anyone have some familiarity with this, or is there a better channel i should try? |
| 00:27.59 | T_VoiD | xtz: try this command: modprobe 8139too |
| 00:28.03 | xtz | i'm on an second one right now |
| 00:28.08 | drakeman | Jerry_: and lknyshov: why not just download the packages you want, and then burn those to a cd? |
| 00:28.19 | lknyshov | huh: not specific enough - what ver php or apache? |
| 00:28.19 | EvilRick | How do I clear pending actions in dselect??? anyone ? |
| 00:28.24 | drakeman | pmwilson: i see |
| 00:28.29 | Jerry_ | Right, drakeman, but where and how to I get them from a Windows box? |
| 00:28.30 | drakeman | pmwilson: cool |
| 00:28.32 | drakeman | thanks |
| 00:28.40 | huh | lknyshov: php 4 with apache 1.3 |
| 00:28.42 | lknyshov | drakeman: I have a feeling he doesn't know which packages he wants etc. |
| 00:28.47 | pmwilson | drakeman: here is a hint... startx -- -xf86config XF86Config-4.my_2.6_config |
| 00:28.56 | lknyshov | huh: ah, that one's easy. using mod_php or php as a CGI? |
| 00:28.57 | huh | when i go to load the page, it just spits out the php source without running it |
| 00:29.07 | xtz | T_VoiD: it works again |
| 00:29.08 | huh | im using mod_php |
| 00:29.14 | EvilRick | huh: you have to set a application handler for php |
| 00:29.16 | drakeman | lknyshov: oic |
| 00:29.18 | huh | yeah |
| 00:29.18 | xtz | thanks very much ;) |
| 00:29.22 | sciboy | pmwilson: If i was installing something from source and it had a directory structure that needed to be maintained.. Where would be a good place to put it? |
| 00:29.30 | lknyshov | huh: yeah that's easy. You just need to modify the httpd.conf to recognize php scripts |
| 00:29.31 | T_VoiD | xtz: ok just edit /etc/modules and add 8139too in it (and remove the other 8139 line that is hanging around) |
| 00:29.35 | Jerry_ | lknyshov, you're right; I'd like to download obvious stuff as updates, plus whatever other packages I want. |
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| 00:29.40 | pmwilson | drakeman: that would start X using a config file named that that it finds along side the regular one i.e. in /etc/X11/ |
| 00:29.49 | huh | oh, ok, thanks |
| 00:29.50 | xtz | okay T_VoiD |
| 00:29.51 | drakeman | cool |
| 00:29.52 | T_VoiD | xtz: so it will work on boot |
| 00:30.02 | creature | Ah ha, got it sorted, I think. |
| 00:30.03 | huh | wait, i did do that |
| 00:30.04 | EvilRick | huh: in your apache.conf or more likely httpd.conf .. set php to be the application hanler for php files |
| 00:30.04 | Archilles | how d u start bitthhow d u start bittorrent?ow d u start bittorrent?orrent? |
| 00:30.07 | lknyshov | Jerry_: in that case, you can download the entire Debian as ISOs and burn them... will take awhile. |
| 00:30.10 | drakeman | what modules do i need for a ps/2 mouse? |
| 00:30.11 | pmwilson | sciboy: when you configure it... (before the compilation) set it's base target to /usr/local/ |
| 00:30.16 | T_VoiD | xtz: driver changed name between 2.2 and 2.4 I bet |
| 00:30.21 | xtz | T_VoiD: my /etc/modules is empty (only 1 comment on top) |
| 00:30.26 | EvilRick | Does anyone know dow I can clear pending actions in dselect??? |
| 00:30.28 | pmwilson | sciboy: like ./configure --target=/usr/local |
| 00:30.28 | creature | The problem was the proxy setting - the installer doesn't consider a blank line to be the same as "none" with the proxy specification. |
| 00:30.31 | Archilles | how d u start bittorrent? |
| 00:30.39 | T_VoiD | xtz: ok just add a line with just 8139too on it . one word |
| 00:30.46 | Jerry_ | Thanks lknyshow. I went to www.debian.org and found nothing... checked debianHELP and others too. Any pointers?? |
| 00:30.49 | voltz | EvilRick: Shift-X |
| 00:30.58 | pmwilson | sciboy: then when you 'make install' it should put it under that tree which is intended for stuff like that. |
| 00:31.00 | huh | with with AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 00:31.19 | xtz | T_VoiD : i try it |
| 00:31.32 | T_VoiD | xtz: normally all should work on the reboot without anything to type |
| 00:31.34 | EvilRick | voltz: no.. wont that just exit? |
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| 00:31.51 | huh | so what else could be causing the problem, since httpd.conf has the config for using php scripts |
| 00:32.00 | pmwilson | Archilles: depends on what client you have installed. |
| 00:32.06 | pmwilson | Archilles: btdownloadgui for example may work |
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| 00:32.13 | EvilRick | voltz: when I run dselect again it just continues to try install stuff |
| 00:32.17 | voltz | EvilRick: it exits and abandons any changes |
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| 00:32.20 | lknyshov | Jerry_: you mean you can't find links to download debian? Odd... www.debian.org/download would be a guess |
| 00:32.20 | drakeman | Jerry_: are you looking for specific packages, or just any? |
| 00:32.21 | komplot | hi ppl |
| 00:32.25 | xtz | T_VoiD i try a reboot |
| 00:32.33 | EvilRick | ok I'll try it |
| 00:32.39 | komplot | would like to get some help... how can i get out of the way services like ftp, telnet, etc on my box? |
| 00:32.44 | huh | evilrick: one other thing i should mention, it is a vhost, could that be messing it up? |
| 00:32.45 | pmwilson | Archilles: well... btdownloadgui <torrent file name> |
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| 00:33.12 | lknyshov | mod_php install manual: http://www.beholdlearning.com/wwwservices/mod_php.html |
| 00:33.17 | pmwilson | EvilRick: dont' use dselect. use aptitude. |
| 00:33.19 | Jerry_ | I'm looking for updates to whatever common packages are instaled (orry, can't be sure; emacs, kernel, security patches, etc etc.) and also other stuff I don't have (GIMP is one) |
| 00:33.25 | huh | lknyshov:k, tnx |
| 00:33.33 | EvilRick | The other thing is.. I tried to run "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.6-i386" to update my kernel but apt reports not being able to find the package .. any ideas |
| 00:33.39 | Archilles | pmwilson, it is installed,but how do u launch it? |
| 00:33.55 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: i know :) |
| 00:34.01 | EvilRick | dselect has a brain dead interface .. |
| 00:34.02 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: I even made a factoid for that |
| 00:34.04 | Jerry_ | Thanks, I tried www.debian.org/download, but "not found". |
| 00:34.12 | T_VoiD | apt tell EvilRick about flatten-dselect.awk |
| 00:34.26 | xtz | EvilRick: try apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.6-i386 |
| 00:34.28 | xtz | first |
| 00:34.31 | Archilles | pmwilson, btdownloadgui <torrent file name>, how i know hwats available? |
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| 00:34.39 | pmwilson | Archilles: from the command line. just run 'btdownloadcurses' |
| 00:34.47 | lknyshov | huh: hmm not the best one... php.net would have all your answers anyway |
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| 00:34.49 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: btw taht's not dselect. the info is stored in the status file for any tool to use it |
| 00:34.58 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: (well that was dselect the 1st time) |
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| 00:35.10 | huh | ok |
| 00:35.10 | drakeman | Jerry_: google debian isos |
| 00:35.13 | xtz | T_VoiD: all works fine, thx ;) |
| 00:35.18 | drakeman | !google debian isos |
| 00:35.25 | dpkg | Google says debian isos is at http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/ or http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=4 or http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/news/1066032741/index_html or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/ or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Debian-Jigdo/ |
| 00:35.33 | T_VoiD | xtz: yw |
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| 00:35.50 | pmwilson | Archilles: bittorrent doesn't work that way. you have to go learn how it works before you start trying to use it. |
| 00:35.53 | drakeman | dpkg: start a google war |
| 00:35.54 | dpkg | drakeman: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:35.56 | macpato | Jerry_: linuxiso.org |
| 00:36.00 | drakeman | damn lol |
| 00:36.33 | Jerry_ | Okay, thanks all! I think I've got enough to start. |
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| 00:36.38 | pmwilson | Archilles: i would 1st recommend you find a different client to use, b/c that one sucks. 2nd to use bittorrent, you have to go search on the internet and find a blah.torrent file that contains all of the connection info |
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| 00:36.51 | EvilRick | T_VoiD: I have no idea what all of this is??? |
| 00:36.56 | pmwilson | Archilles: for a specific file or set of files that you want to get |
| 00:37.07 | EvilRick | I dont have flatten-dselect.awk |
| 00:37.13 | Archilles | pmwilson, bt is not gui?? |
| 00:37.15 | tam | does anyone know what will burn MP3 file with ID3 version 2.3.0 tag as normalised audio? k3b won't touch it |
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| 00:37.16 | pmwilson | Archilles: then you have to give your bt client that file so that it can join the swarm of machines sharing that file |
| 00:37.22 | Archilles | its a coomand line p2p |
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| 00:37.25 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: the script is a filter that when given a status file as input spits a status file as output that will have forgotten pending actions |
| 00:37.39 | drakeman | !google weapons of mass destruction |
| 00:37.44 | dpkg | Google says weapons of mass destruction is at http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ or http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/ or http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20030606.html or http://www.fas.org/nuke/ or http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/12/WMDStrategy.pdf |
| 00:37.46 | drakeman | check out the first entry |
| 00:37.48 | pmwilson | Archilles: there are lots of gui versions. |
| 00:37.49 | drakeman | hilarious |
| 00:38.10 | phorce1 | if one wants both regular http and also ssl running on a debian box is it "better" to install both apache and apache-ssl and run seperate httpd daemons or should I go about figuring out to actually use mod_ssl in "regular" apache (I have the former -- two httpd daemons -- working OK) |
| 00:38.10 | thu | is debian.org down? |
| 00:38.11 | sussudio | drakeman: i believe you were told to stop trolling |
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| 00:38.20 | Archilles | pmwilson, how do i check if i have a gui for bt? |
| 00:38.21 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: was it what you asked before? |
| 00:38.36 | xtz | T_VoiD: to install ipchains, is apt-get install ipchains correct ? or do i need some other modules first ? (fresh installed debian) |
| 00:38.40 | pmwilson | Archilles: but just running a gui isn't going to help you any if you don't know how the system works. you can't run a gui and search for files. |
| 00:38.43 | Bill | hi all, could someone tell me how to take the config from my debian kernel I got and load it into a 2.6.6 kernel im trying 2 compile? |
| 00:38.49 | T_VoiD | xtz: forget it. kernel 2.4 uses iptables instead |
| 00:39.11 | T_VoiD | xtz: you could use ipchains with a compat layer, but iptables is WAY better. learn how to use it and the differences with ipchains |
| 00:39.16 | xtz | hmm sorry, iptables i would said |
| 00:39.18 | Archilles | pmwilson, so i cant use it like kazaa..?? |
| 00:39.23 | pmwilson | no. |
| 00:39.26 | drakeman | Bill: just copy the 2.4 kernel config to the source directory of 2.6.6 and name it .config |
| 00:39.28 | T_VoiD | xtz: then answer is just: yes |
| 00:39.56 | thu | is www.debian.org down? |
| 00:39.58 | xtz | i had ipchains on an old one, i allways make an mistake between them |
| 00:39.59 | pmwilson | just go read directions on how to use it somewhere. google search or something |
| 00:40.22 | pmwilson | thu: no. |
| 00:40.26 | ameoba | oh my. Mozilla is too smart for me. |
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| 00:40.42 | ameoba | I was trying to get the java plugin working on a remote machine... kept testing it here. |
| 00:40.48 | Bill | drakeman where can I find the 2.4 kernel config? |
| 00:40.59 | ameoba | turns out that, when I tried to start mozilla remotely, it was somehow connecting to the local instance |
| 00:41.05 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: hum the factoid *was* my flatten-dselect.awk script btw :) |
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| 00:41.42 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: if you put one action per line it's much more readable |
| 00:41.58 | EvilRick | T_VoiD: yeah.. cant make heads or tails of it.. tried that the /^ is a lf I assume |
| 00:42.00 | EvilRick | wont run |
| 00:42.09 | pmwilson | Bill: your current config is likely in /boot/ |
| 00:42.18 | drakeman | Bill: wait, what document are you reading on this? |
| 00:42.24 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: i can dcc it? (give me 1mn to find where i put it) |
| 00:42.29 | pmwilson | Bill: and named config-<your kernel version> |
| 00:42.33 | voltz | EvilRick: Sorry, had to put the baby to bed... |
| 00:42.51 | lknyshov | ameoba: was your $DISPLAY set OK? |
| 00:42.57 | xerophyte | Whan i do iptables-save and looked at the file under the fillter table i have this :DropDNSrep - [0:0], what does that means?? i mean i understand :INPUT ACCEPT but what is this "-" means in the :DropDNSrep - [0:0] |
| 00:43.17 | pmwilson | Bill: so do cp /boot/config-2.4.22 /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.6/.config |
| 00:43.19 | EvilRick | np |
| 00:43.23 | pmwilson | Bill: modify things as appropriate |
| 00:43.48 | EvilRick | shift X does nothing by the way |
| 00:44.03 | ameoba | lknyshov: well, I could open windows up on it & stuff... |
| 00:44.14 | drakeman | Bill: like everyone said, its in /boot... but you should really be doing this according to some guide, and if it doesnt say its in /boot, you should prolly switch a guide |
| 00:44.17 | voltz | EvilRick: It does abandon changes if you are still Selecting packages to install. |
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| 00:44.43 | ameoba | lknyshov: but I realized that C-Q in 'remote' mozilla wanted to close all the local windows... |
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| 00:45.10 | Bill | drakeman ok thanks |
| 00:45.27 | ameoba | lknyshov: and since I don't have java set up on this machine, nothing I did remotely seemed to affect anything |
| 00:46.05 | drakeman | Bill: np |
| 00:46.11 | voltz | EvilRick: I will put packages on-hold when facing large downloads over my dialup. I use dselect or dpkg --set-selection to select them for holding. |
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| 00:46.27 | drakeman | i forgot, what is the file where i set which modules i want to be started at startup? |
| 00:46.46 | pmwilson | drakeman: /etc/modules |
| 00:46.58 | ameoba | lknyshov: it now makes sense why the remote firefox was so easy to set up +) |
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| 00:47.48 | drakeman | pmwilson: thanks |
| 00:49.12 | phorce1 | if one wants both regular http and also ssl running on a debian box is it "better" to install both apache and apache-ssl and run seperate httpd daemons or should I go about figuring out to actually use mod_ssl in "regular" apache (I have the former -- two httpd daemons -- working OK) |
| 00:49.14 | phorce1 | oops |
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| 00:49.25 | phorce1 | soory for the repeat -- fat fingers |
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| 00:49.30 | Bill | pmwilson ? |
| 00:49.56 | Bill | oh thanks also pmwilson |
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| 00:50.33 | maher | phorce1: neither is better - use whichever is more convenient |
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| 00:51.05 | Fastly | [root@p15144039 rpms]# cat /proc/version |
| 00:51.06 | Fastly | Linux version 2.4.21-lufs-030704 (jacko@neverland) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)) #1 SMP Fri Jul 4 23:32:47 CEST 2003 |
| 00:51.13 | Fastly | does this mean i'm using debian? |
| 00:51.28 | pmwilson | Bill: i was commenting on the fact that you thanked drakeman, and not me. it was intended to be partly amusing since I told you where it was much before drakeman did. |
| 00:51.42 | maher | Fastly: probably |
| 00:51.45 | drakeman | Fastly: youre not sure? |
| 00:51.46 | pmwilson | Bill: amusing/humorous |
| 00:51.59 | phorce1 | maher: I guess I was wondering about load on the system. I'm currently setting up a mail/dns/web server on a Sparc Ultra1 (167Mhz CPU/512M RAM/27G of HD) |
| 00:52.12 | maher | Fastly: try cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:52.18 | Fastly | i'm SSHing to my new web server |
| 00:52.24 | Fastly | it was set up by my ISP |
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| 00:52.40 | maher | phorce1: i don't think it would make much difference - try both and see |
| 00:52.49 | Fastly | i thought it was Redhat and wanted to find the version number cos i'm searching for an RPM for Glide 4 |
| 00:52.53 | Fastly | Glide 3 |
| 00:53.16 | maher | Fastly: why do you need glide on your server? |
| 00:53.25 | Fastly | well i need to install x font system |
| 00:53.30 | pmwilson | maher: good question. |
| 00:53.35 | drakeman | pmwilson: that is because i first wanted to make sure hes not reading some crap, and therefore, would need every next step explained.... |
| 00:53.37 | Fastly | because i'm using jpgraph |
| 00:53.39 | maher | Fastly: you don't need glide on your server |
| 00:53.39 | phorce1 | maher: will be using gnudip/bind9/xmail/MySQL also so I'm afraid I'll beat the machine to death (though it'll only be serving my own domains and MAYBE one or two low traffic sites for friends) |
| 00:53.55 | Fastly | and i can't use corefonts without xfs |
| 00:54.04 | drakeman | pmwilson: :P |
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| 00:54.21 | imperfect- | Hi. |
| 00:54.26 | Fastly | [root@p15144039 rpms]# rpm -Uvh XFree86-4.3.0-2.i386.rpm |
| 00:54.26 | Fastly | warning: XFree86-4.3.0-2.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID db42a60e |
| 00:54.26 | Fastly | error: Failed dependencies: Glide3 >= 20010520 is needed by XFree86-4.3.0-2 xinitrc is needed by XFree86-4.3.0-2 |
| 00:54.35 | pmwilson | drakeman: yeah, i figured that out eventually.... after your later comment about following a guide |
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| 00:54.47 | Fastly | can i install x font server |
| 00:54.49 | maher | Fastly: xfs itself shouldn't depend on glide |
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| 00:54.52 | Fastly | separately? |
| 00:54.56 | medgno | Fastly: if you're using rpm, you most likely aren't using debian |
| 00:54.59 | imperfect- | Anyone know how to fix a problem with libutahglx conflicting w/ libglu1-mesa? |
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| 00:55.10 | pmwilson | Fastly: you don't need XFree to install xfs |
| 00:55.11 | Fastly | medgno, i didn't think i was |
| 00:55.18 | pmwilson | medgno: not necessarily true. |
| 00:55.19 | imperfect- | There's an issue with /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 being in both packages |
| 00:55.20 | Bill | pmwilson ok thank you, can I bare your first born? |
| 00:55.22 | imperfect- | and nothing will install |
| 00:55.23 | Kel | cat /etc/redhat-release |
| 00:55.31 | Fastly | i'm not talking about the file system, i'm talking about the font system |
| 00:55.38 | pmwilson | Bill: are you an attractive woman? |
| 00:55.38 | medgno | pmwilson: i did say 'most likely,' since i know about those cases |
| 00:55.39 | Den | Fastly: but you running a debian box why are you using rpm's? |
| 00:55.54 | Bill | pmwilson 18/M |
| 00:55.54 | Fastly | ah ha |
| 00:55.55 | Fastly | [root@p15144039 rpms]# cat /etc/redhat-release |
| 00:55.55 | Fastly | Red Hat Linux release 9 (Shrike) |
| 00:55.56 | imperfect- | apt-get -f install doesn't fix it. |
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| 00:56.03 | Kel | there ya go :) not on Deb. |
| 00:56.05 | pmwilson | Den: he perhaps doesn't know any better. |
| 00:56.18 | Fastly | doah |
| 00:56.21 | Fastly | wish it was a deb |
| 00:56.25 | Kel | hehe. |
| 00:56.26 | maher | Fastly: you seem to be running redhat |
| 00:56.33 | imperfect- | sigh. |
| 00:56.36 | Fastly | that suck |
| 00:56.39 | pmwilson | Fastly: so... why are you trying to install X on a server.... |
| 00:56.45 | Fastly | i only really like redhat and gentoo |
| 00:56.47 | Den | maher: but he has a debian kernel? |
| 00:56.48 | pmwilson | Fastly: you can just install xfs by inself. |
| 00:56.58 | Fastly | pmwilson, sounds like a good plan |
| 00:56.58 | Sakina | streuner, you active? |
| 00:57.05 | pmwilson | Fastly: if you need it, anyway. |
| 00:57.25 | Kel | den: I THINK he was just confused as to what system he was on? *isn't sure* I'm sort of lost, hehe. |
| 00:57.27 | imperfect- | Does Debian support gnome 2.6 yet for x86? |
| 00:57.39 | pmwilson | imperfect-: very nearly |
| 00:57.40 | Sakina | streuner_ |
| 00:57.47 | imperfect- | pmwilson: I see. |
| 00:57.47 | Fastly | pmwilson, yes i really need it |
| 00:57.49 | drakeman | pmwilson: heh :D |
| 00:57.53 | maher | imperfect-: its being uplaoding to unstable atm |
| 00:58.04 | Fastly | i'm generating graphs with php and jpgraph |
| 00:58.06 | Den | imperfect-: its 90% done i think |
| 00:58.08 | imperfect- | maher: well I can't get anything to install anyway, so I guess don't care ;) |
| 00:58.16 | Fastly | and i only have crappy fonts at the moment |
| 00:58.16 | pmwilson | imperfect-: well.. yes, if you jump through a small hoop. |
| 00:58.16 | pmwilson | imperfect-: or you can wait a little bit |
| 00:58.22 | Kel | imperfect-: /msg dpkg gnome2.6 |
| 00:58.24 | imperfect- | maher: but it's nice to know if i get this lib conflict resolved life would be good |
| 00:58.25 | Fastly | need verdana working on the font server |
| 00:58.26 | pmwilson | imperfect-: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?GnomeTwoDotSixFAQ |
| 00:58.31 | imperfect- | well |
| 00:58.33 | imperfect- | first things first |
| 00:58.33 | imperfect- | ;) |
| 00:58.37 | imperfect- | I've got a lib conflict |
| 00:58.46 | imperfect- | and apt-get doesn't seem to be able to solve itself |
| 00:58.55 | pmwilson | imperfect-: use aptitude. |
| 00:59.01 | maher | imperfect-: use dselect or aptitude |
| 00:59.09 | imperfect- | pmwilson: I'm in the midst of install Xfree. ;) |
| 00:59.18 | imperfect- | I' |
| 00:59.24 | Fastly | man this sucks |
| 00:59.25 | imperfect- | I've apt-get'd -f'd my little heart out |
| 00:59.37 | k-god | Any recommendations for an iMac linux boot disk? |
| 00:59.46 | drakeman | pmwilson: and maher why use aptitude when you can use apt? |
| 00:59.52 | Fastly | i just downloaded the latest xfs rpm and it has loads of dependencies! |
| 01:00.04 | maher | drakeman: cos its better at resolving deps / recommneds |
| 01:00.05 | drakeman | can i somehow uninstall the kernel my system started with? |
| 01:00.05 | Kel | good ol RPM :P |
| 01:00.14 | maher | drakeman: yes |
| 01:00.21 | pmwilson | imperfect-: eh.... apt doesn't actually contain the package status data anyway... you can switch between them freely (along w/ synaptic, etc.) |
| 01:00.21 | imperfect- | Ah I see |
| 01:00.25 | imperfect- | aptitude just keeps going |
| 01:00.30 | Fastly | i.e. XFree86-libs = 4.3.99.903-2 is needed by xfs-4.3.99.903-2 XFree86-fonts-base is needed by xfs-4.3.99.903-2 /bin/id is needed by xfs-4.3.99.903-2 /usr/bin/getgid is needed by xfs-4.3.99.903-2 libFS.so.6 is needed by xfs-4.3.99.903-2 XFree86-xfs is needed by (installed) chkfontpath-1.9.7-1 |
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| 01:00.48 | Fastly | what is /usr/bin/getgid? |
| 01:00.53 | drakeman | maher: isnt aptitude a gui to apt? |
| 01:00.59 | drakeman | maher: how? |
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| 01:01.07 | imperfect- | Damnit |
| 01:01.09 | bujin | hello |
| 01:01.10 | imperfect- | This is all messed up |
| 01:01.14 | drakeman | grrrrrrr those modules take soooo long |
| 01:01.14 | imperfect- | TONS of dependency issues |
| 01:01.25 | drakeman | imperfect-: in gnome? |
| 01:01.30 | gb | drakeman: If it were, then explain why I can run it in a cli enviroment :) |
| 01:01.40 | imperfect- | drakeman : in apt. It's all messed up. |
| 01:01.45 | pmwilson | drakeman: erm.. if by gui you mean command line colored interface... then kinda. |
| 01:01.46 | imperfect- | I can't install anything |
| 01:01.51 | imperfect- | aptitude fails also |
| 01:02.02 | pmwilson | drakeman: actually, both apt and aptitude use the apt library libapt |
| 01:02.05 | vladkao | !+enter |
| 01:02.05 | dpkg | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 01:02.05 | imperfect- | it halts due to a shitload of kde dependency issues |
| 01:02.06 | Kel | Hey.. I wan a someone to try to be objective here... Is debian any proper for a router or should I stick with Slackware? I'm partial to Debian but it has fatures a router doesn't need so I'm sort of stuck |
| 01:02.08 | drakeman | gb: for me curses is also considered a gui |
| 01:02.12 | maher | imperfect-: you seem to find running unstable a problem - stick withstable |
| 01:02.16 | gb | aptitude will fail till you get apt-get to cleanly build it's database |
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| 01:02.17 | pmwilson | apt was just supposed to be a quick first shot at getting things working |
| 01:02.18 | apt | You are moron #6, pmwilson |
| 01:02.20 | Sakina | streuner_, it's showing screens found but none have usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found. X connection to: 0.0 lost (explicit Kill or server shutdown) what does that mean? |
| 01:02.24 | gb | thats what I found anyway |
| 01:02.29 | imperfect- | Kel: routing is handled by the same kernel in both cases? |
| 01:02.48 | imperfect- | maher: I don't have these problems on Sparc/Unstable. |
| 01:02.48 | Kel | mmhmm, iptables and a dhcp deamon. |
| 01:02.57 | pmwilson | Kel: what 'features' are you talking about? |
| 01:03.01 | imperfect- | Kel: Well, there's your answer. ;) |
| 01:03.03 | gb | ie forget trying to fix your packages db till it functions with apt-get |
| 01:03.16 | pmwilson | Kel: just don't install the stuff you don't want to use |
| 01:03.17 | pmwilson | Kel: or uninstall it |
| 01:03.21 | Kel | well.. everything basically... Slackware would be fine if I were more comfortable in a linux environment |
| 01:03.24 | drakeman | pmwilson: ic |
| 01:03.27 | Kel | yea.. I guess that's an option. |
| 01:03.39 | Kel | I just wanted someone to tell me if I was being dumb or not, hehe :) thanks. |
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| 01:03.56 | drakeman | what would be the package name of my fist kernel? |
| 01:03.59 | gb | Kel: you actually seek to be insulted? |
| 01:04.00 | imperfect- | Kel: Fedora is pretty pimp if you wanna be "comfortable" |
| 01:04.10 | Kel | gb: depends on the situation. |
| 01:04.11 | imperfect- | drakeman: kernel-2.6.fist ;) |
| 01:04.17 | pmwilson | Kel: yeah, you're being a bit dumb. :o] |
| 01:04.18 | Kel | I expect people to be blunt, if not insulting. |
| 01:04.19 | pmwilson | fist? |
| 01:04.21 | drakeman | imperfect-: ?? |
| 01:04.30 | drakeman | imperfect-: i started with 2.2 |
| 01:04.40 | pmwilson | 2.6.handandglove |
| 01:05.03 | drakeman | if i do /dpkg-query -S vmlinuz, it only finds the 2.6 package |
| 01:05.07 | drakeman | why? |
| 01:05.24 | Sakina | When I type startx, it's showing screens found but none have usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found. X connection to: 0.0 lost (explicit Kill or server shutdown) what does that mean? |
| 01:05.41 | pmwilson | Kel: don't be stupid, the kernel is doing the routing w/ the help of some user-space deamons perhaps. you don't need anything else major installed. |
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| 01:05.45 | imperfect- | Sakina: run xf86config |
| 01:05.48 | imperfect- | if it's still called that |
| 01:05.48 | pmwilson | Kel: how's that? |
| 01:05.50 | imperfect- | and configurre one |
| 01:05.55 | drakeman | Sakina: your file isnt set up right |
| 01:06.04 | Sakina | hmm.. |
| 01:06.14 | imperfect- | pmwilson: all my routing is done via kernel w/o any daemons? |
| 01:06.29 | Sakina | I have Intel 845, but it's not in the list. |
| 01:06.30 | imperfect- | unless you consider ipt modules daemons somehow? |
| 01:06.34 | drakeman | imperfect-: actuallt, its dpkg-reconfigure xfree-something86 |
| 01:06.42 | Sakina | I have triedn using Generic, but not working. |
| 01:06.56 | imperfect- | drakeman: I'm talking about configuring the Xserver by hand, not using a packaging system. |
| 01:07.07 | gb | phorce1: start using screens then you only need one keyboar/mouse/screen & if you stay consistent you can identify your location with relative ease |
| 01:07.29 | pmwilson | imperfect-: well.. you can use some intrusion detection stuff and/or something to monitor and modify the routing settings |
| 01:07.51 | drakeman | xf86config is hardl configuring it by hand more then debconf does... and debconf outputs the -4 file which you actually need, and not the plain one |
| 01:07.54 | imperfect- | pmwilson: Ahh.. I see where you're going with that. |
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| 01:08.00 | pmwilson | imperfect-: say... webmin for example |
| 01:08.01 | imperfect- | I use snort ;) |
| 01:08.09 | imperfect- | pmwilson: insecure POS what? |
| 01:08.37 | imperfect- | I sometimes make routing changes based on snort warnings... so I can see what you mean. |
| 01:08.40 | pmwilson | imperfect-: heh.... i've never used it and i don't like it |
| 01:08.44 | drakeman | I want to uninstall my old, starting out kernel, (2.2) but if i do /dpkg-query -S vmlinuz, it only finds the 2.6 package... how do i remove the 2.2 kernel using packages? |
| 01:08.49 | imperfect- | pmwilson: i' |
| 01:08.58 | drakeman | imperfect-: xf86config is hardl configuring it by hand more then debconf does... and debconf outputs the -4 file which you actually need, and not the plain one |
| 01:09.03 | imperfect- | pmwilson: It's pretty lame. However, phpMyadmin is a must have imho ;) |
| 01:09.27 | imperfect- | drakeman: I lost you somewhere bud. |
| 01:09.35 | pmwilson | imperfect-: it was a quick example b/c i can't remember the name of the firewalling daemon i was thinking of. |
| 01:09.38 | drakeman | !phpAdmin |
| 01:09.57 | imperfect- | pmwilson: Nod... |
| 01:10.05 | drakeman | imperfect-: "im takling about configuration by hand" |
| 01:10.05 | gb | ok back to the bush with me, have fun kiddies |
| 01:10.16 | imperfect- | drakeman: Okay? |
| 01:10.29 | thu | drakeman, X -configure is even better :) |
| 01:10.32 | drakeman | imperfect-: and that was my answer to that |
| 01:10.38 | imperfect- | drakeman: Using the tool that X provides as opposed to using the configuration provided by Debian ? |
| 01:10.47 | phorce1 | gb: I use screen on the home box (via ssh on whatever machine I happen to be in front of). But right now I'm doing system installs on two sparcs sitting here at work -- and I can't use 'screen' on the windoze box I have to use for work or the one I use as my "ply/mail reading" machine. |
| 01:10.51 | drakeman | thu: i havent tried it yet, but i prolly will soon :P |
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| 01:10.53 | Kel | pmwilson: works for me :P |
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| 01:11.08 | Den | drakeman: cant you just apt-get remove kernel-image-whatever ? |
| 01:11.23 | imperfect- | man |
| 01:11.27 | imperfect- | I hate to say it |
| 01:11.30 | phorce1 | as soon as I have these sparcs running right I'll use screen on them via ssh through PuttY on my winbox |
| 01:11.36 | imperfect- | but I like fbsd ports tree much better than this apt shyt. |
| 01:11.46 | drakeman | imperfect-: im saying that debconf is better then xf86config |
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| 01:11.49 | maher | imperfect-: use fdbs then |
| 01:11.55 | imperfect- | maher: Do tell? |
| 01:12.00 | cafuego | hmmm |
| 01:12.05 | drakeman | imperfect-: it asks you actually more questions iirc |
| 01:12.08 | imperfect- | oh |
| 01:12.08 | maher | imperfect-: i mean fbsd |
| 01:12.09 | imperfect- | wha was a type |
| 01:12.11 | imperfect- | yeah |
| 01:12.12 | imperfect- | ;) |
| 01:12.13 | imperfect- | okay |
| 01:12.29 | imperfect- | I'd like to use OpenBSD |
| 01:12.34 | drakeman | Den: because theres no kernel-image-whatever? |
| 01:12.37 | imperfect- | but I've got 150gig of info on a reiserfs |
| 01:12.41 | imperfect- | so i'm kinda stuck |
| 01:12.50 | imperfect- | unless i can maybe find a filesystem converter |
| 01:12.53 | phorce1 | gb: ssh to box #1 into a screen session and use multiple screen "windows" to ssh to the other boxen |
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| 01:13.22 | pmwilson | apt (the bot) should start a timer when someone joins as root. and it should kick them after that time if no one has done something like: !nokick username .... set the timer to give them a reasonable ammount of time to explain their good reason for using root for irc. |
| 01:13.23 | apt | pmwilson: You are moron #7 |
| 01:13.23 | imperfect- | I dunno though |
| 01:13.28 | maher | imperfect-: delete the pr)n |
| 01:13.37 | imperfect- | maher: No porn. |
| 01:13.44 | imperfect- | maher: porn i could part w/ |
| 01:13.53 | imperfect- | mp3's |
| 01:13.59 | imperfect- | other windows warez |
| 01:14.00 | imperfect- | i can't |
| 01:14.08 | imperfect- | mostly because my roommate needs them |
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| 01:14.14 | imperfect- | pls |
| 01:14.17 | drakeman | pmwilson: the problem is that it doesnt let you talk to the channel right now when you join as root... |
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| 01:14.30 | imperfect- | er plus, i'm phasing out my SPARC and replacing it with this x86 box |
| 01:14.32 | Den | pmwilson: if some1 wants to run an irc client as root thats there choice |
| 01:14.48 | maher | imperfect-: use apt / dselect / whatever to find out what is conflicting and manually fix it with dpkg |
| 01:14.57 | imperfect- | maher: I know what's conflicting. |
| 01:15.03 | pmwilson | drakeman: oh... i forgot about that. i have't been around here in months. |
| 01:15.09 | imperfect- | maher: libutahglx1 and libglu-mesa |
| 01:15.13 | drakeman | Den: thats so nice of you to say, when most channels dole let root users to come in, or dont let them talk |
| 01:15.15 | imperfect- | both contain /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 |
| 01:15.21 | imperfect- | and one is trying to overwrite the other |
| 01:15.26 | imperfect- | causing it to throw up |
| 01:15.27 | imperfect- | ;) |
| 01:15.31 | maher | imperfect-: well use dpkg to install not install force overide or whatever |
| 01:15.44 | drakeman | Den: as if its impossible to change the username in IRC w/o changing the real username |
| 01:15.45 | Den | drakeman: thanks im a nice guy ;) |
| 01:15.46 | maher | imperfect-: reading the docs might assist you in doing this |
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| 01:16.04 | Bill | I have an error im going to post in flood, I am comiling a kernel what should I say? |
| 01:16.08 | drakeman | pmwilson: :P |
| 01:16.29 | drakeman | Bill: are you using buikd-kpkg? |
| 01:16.35 | pmwilson | Den: yes... but educating people is good. and if they want to continue to connect as root... they could !nokick themselves |
| 01:16.43 | Bill | I typed.. make-kpkg buildpackage --initrd -rev Custom.1 kernel_image |
| 01:16.53 | Bill | drakeman should I not have? |
| 01:16.56 | Den | pmwilson: true |
| 01:17.10 | drakeman | Bill: yes you should have, just making sure :P |
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| 01:17.18 | Bill | drakeman ok so say Y? |
| 01:17.27 | drakeman | Y? |
| 01:17.31 | maher | Bill: why are you building your own kernel? |
| 01:17.32 | Bill | I mean no becusae its asking if I should abort.. |
| 01:17.35 | pmwilson | Bill: well... buildpackage and kernel_image are redundant |
| 01:17.47 | Bill | maher becuase the 2.4 SMP kernels dont do load balancing as good as I would like. |
| 01:18.00 | Bill | pmwilson im just going off the walkthough im reading. |
| 01:18.05 | drakeman | I want to uninstall my old, starting out kernel, (2.2) but if i do /dpkg-query -S vmlinuz, it only finds the 2.6 package... how do i remove the 2.2 kernel using packages? |
| 01:18.06 | Bill | http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
| 01:18.18 | imperfect- | dpkg -i --forice-overwrite ? |
| 01:18.30 | maher | drakeman: use dpkg -l to list the packages you have installed |
| 01:18.46 | pmwilson | drakeman: it's not part of a package. |
| 01:19.04 | Bill | so should I not abort? |
| 01:19.11 | drakeman | pmwilson: i realise that, but its a lil hard to comprehend :P |
| 01:19.17 | drakeman | pmwilson: why? |
| 01:19.22 | drakeman | maher: how will that help? |
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| 01:19.26 | pmwilson | drakeman: after it's not your primary kernel, you can just rm the two files in /boot/ |
| 01:19.38 | maher | drakeman: it will tell you the name of the kernel deb so you can remove it |
| 01:20.08 | pmwilson | maher: it doens't have a kernel deb. |
| 01:20.14 | huh | Is there a way to get dpkg to just reload all the configs for a package? |
| 01:20.17 | maher | pmwilson: what doesn't? |
| 01:20.33 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: new solution, just waiting for your answer hehe |
| 01:20.36 | maher | huh: yes - man dpkg |
| 01:20.36 | pmwilson | maher: the 2.2 kernel that was copied to his system when he installed |
| 01:20.47 | maher | pmwilson: oh - ok |
| 01:21.12 | imperfect- | maher: dpkg fixed it. |
| 01:21.15 | drakeman | maher: the kernel's file has vmlinuz in it, i think dpkg-query -S vmlinuz would be a lot more effifient |
| 01:21.35 | drakeman | pmwilson: are there no other files ecxept the ones in /boot? |
| 01:21.46 | maher | drakeman: vmlinuz is a symlink to the real vmlinuz in /boot - run dpkg -s on that |
| 01:21.51 | huh | yeah but it wont "re"configure it |
| 01:22.13 | drakeman | pmwilson: hmmm, i realize not.. what about modules? |
| 01:22.13 | huh | it wines about it already being configured |
| 01:22.13 | maher | huh: sorry - do you want dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 01:22.22 | huh | thanks |
| 01:22.27 | drakeman | maher: thats the one i was running on lol.. but -S catches partial filenames |
| 01:22.30 | maher | huh: or maybe you want to --purge and reinstall |
| 01:22.35 | Sakina | drakeman, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 didn't help :/ |
| 01:22.48 | drakeman | maher: so what i did is good.. i dont even have the simlink tyoure talking about |
| 01:22.57 | huh | ok, the dpkg-reconfigure worked, thanks |
| 01:23.06 | drakeman | Sakina: can you post the error on #flood? |
| 01:23.15 | pmwilson | drakeman: just rm -r /boot/{config,System.map,vmlinuz}-2.2.20 /lib/modules/2.2.20 |
| 01:23.15 | pmwilson | drakeman: or whatever the version is |
| 01:23.16 | huh | hmm, but it didnt do what i wanted, |
| 01:23.19 | Sakina | Sure..brb |
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| 01:23.43 | drakeman | pmwilson: ok, so i was right about the modules :P cool, thanks |
| 01:24.13 | pmwilson | drakeman: yeah. good call. i forgot about them. |
| 01:24.55 | drakeman | :D |
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| 01:25.07 | drakeman | Sakina: u gonna paste the error or not? |
| 01:25.51 | Sakina | drakeman, yeah |
| 01:26.10 | drakeman | Sakina: i want you to do this: /exec -o startx, and after a while /exec -o cat /etc/X11/XF86Conf-4 |
| 01:26.16 | drakeman | all in #flood |
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| 01:26.19 | imperfect- | maher: dpkg fixed it |
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| 01:26.31 | maher | imperfect-: great |
| 01:26.37 | Sakina | But that's on different box, so I have to walk 100m to reach there. |
| 01:26.40 | drakeman | imperfect-: what was broken? |
| 01:26.42 | Sakina | drakeman |
| 01:26.47 | drakeman | !fix imperfect- |
| 01:26.57 | drakeman | Sakina: yes? |
| 01:27.04 | maher | Sakina: look for the EE errors when you startx |
| 01:27.39 | drakeman | Sakina: oh, ok, go and reach it |
| 01:27.49 | nono | my mozilla seems to crash on flash page... the problem is that it does it just for my user... with another user, mozilla does not crash... any idea? |
| 01:27.49 | drakeman | Sakina: why arent you talking from that box? |
| 01:27.50 | imperfect- | drakeman: conflicting pacakge files. |
| 01:27.51 | Sakina | drakeman, I'll now note it down and then type out here. |
| 01:27.54 | mz | i uninstalled evolution, and just want to install it again, but i can't... to install it i must uninstall kde fisrt... any idea why before uninstalling evolution worked with kde but now not? |
| 01:28.06 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: apt-get -u dselect-upgrade . add the -u option |
| 01:28.10 | drakeman | Sakina: why not go into irc there? |
| 01:28.14 | asg | mz: check the bts or #debian-kde |
| 01:28.20 | drakeman | imperfect-: oooohhh scary :P |
| 01:28.26 | Sakina | drakeman, how would I talk from that box? |
| 01:28.46 | drakeman | Sakina: irssi for instance |
| 01:28.48 | Den | T_VoiD: what does the -u do? |
| 01:28.51 | nono | mz: I guess there is something wrong theses days.. in sid, on my box, it wants to remove evolution if I upgrade my packages... |
| 01:28.53 | Sakina | I don't know how to connect from command line, drakeman |
| 01:28.59 | T_VoiD | (btw, that's to check something, don't ever use dselect-upgrade if you can avoid) |
| 01:29.23 | T_VoiD | den: verbose |
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| 01:29.29 | Den | oh ok |
| 01:30.12 | drakeman | Sakina: apt-get install irssi, then 'irssi' from a user account, then /server freenode, then /join #debian |
| 01:30.17 | Den | night |
| 01:30.20 | mz | nono, that's just what happened to me, but i didn't read that evolution was going to be uninstalled... |
| 01:30.37 | imperfect- | jeez |
| 01:30.46 | imperfect- | why is unstable still running flippin kde 3.1.2 |
| 01:30.47 | imperfect- | What's that about |
| 01:30.49 | drakeman | Sakina: you should get comfortable with using command line utilities, cause when you fix X, thats all u got |
| 01:30.58 | asg | !info kde sid |
| 01:31.01 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 01:31.02 | nono | mz: apt-get -u dist-upgrade to be sure! ;-) |
| 01:31.03 | Sakina | yes, drakeman.. |
| 01:31.11 | maher | imperfect-: use dselect - it will tell you |
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| 01:31.24 | nono | mz: now just wait a little... that is why I am waiting to upgrade... |
| 01:31.30 | imperfect- | Even SPARC has 3.2 |
| 01:31.34 | Sakina | brb |
| 01:31.36 | imperfect- | Maybe my sources are messed up |
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| 01:31.49 | asg | imperfect-: SPARC has 3.2? |
| 01:31.49 | drakeman | Sakina: k |
| 01:31.56 | nono | imperfect-: unstable is kde 3.1 ? |
| 01:32.01 | imperfect- | asg: Yep. |
| 01:32.07 | drakeman | Sakina: be quick, i gotta go sleep soon |
| 01:32.08 | hex|zzz | why use kde anyway :/ |
| 01:32.08 | imperfect- | nono: What's newer than that? |
| 01:32.08 | asg | imperfect-: wtf is SPARC? |
| 01:32.20 | imperfect- | asg: Uhm, as in the processor? |
| 01:32.34 | imperfect- | Linux spizzarc 2.4.25 #3 Mon Mar 1 23:40:16 EST 2004 sparc64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:32.38 | imperfect- | to be precise? |
| 01:32.40 | asg | imperfect-: yes and? |
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| 01:32.55 | nono | imperfect-: wait, my box has unstable with kde 3.2.2 installed... |
| 01:32.58 | imperfect- | asg: as in Debian/SPARC ? |
| 01:33.02 | nono | imperfect-: maybe i missed something... |
| 01:33.14 | asg | imperfect-: which has nothing to do with whether sid has KDE 3.1 or 3.2 |
| 01:33.22 | imperfect- | nono: which is newer testing or unstable? |
| 01:33.37 | maher | imperfect-: unstable |
| 01:34.04 | imperfect- | asg: Well, it would follow it normally be assumed that if SPARC has packages, x86 has them first whereas the installed x86 user base is huge? |
| 01:34.11 | drakeman | imperfect-: haha, you are following my footsteps :P i asked the same exact question yesterday here :P |
| 01:34.12 | nono | imperfect-: is not question of newer... testing intend to be the next stable version... (testing package to stable) unstable is bleeding edge of almost all package... for developpers... |
| 01:34.44 | maher | imperfect-: dependson the buildds |
| 01:34.46 | asg | imperfect-: yes, I would be very surprised if SPARC had something like kde before x86 |
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| 01:34.54 | Sakina | drakeman, a error.. |
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| 01:35.04 | drakeman | Sakina: where? |
| 01:35.06 | nono | drakeman: you're saying that sid (unstable) had kde 3.1.2? |
| 01:35.10 | drakeman | with irssi? |
| 01:35.14 | Sakina | Yes |
| 01:35.19 | asg | nono: /msg dpkg info kde sid |
| 01:35.28 | imperfect- | I'm just wondering if I have stale sources |
| 01:35.31 | imperfect- | but i doubt it |
| 01:35.33 | imperfect- | i'm using progeny |
| 01:35.36 | drakeman | nono: did i say that? sid has 3.2.2 which is what im using |
| 01:35.43 | EvilRick | I see my local mirror has kernel-image-2.6.6-i386 but it does not appear anywhere in dselect and i tried to do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.6-i386 and I'm told that its not available.. What am I doing wrong |
| 01:35.45 | asg | imperfect-: progeny has been dead for at least a year |
| 01:35.46 | maher | imperfect-: dependson the builddo |
| 01:35.46 | Sakina | showing no available version.., drakeman |
| 01:35.57 | maher | imperfect-: also depends on your mirror |
| 01:36.01 | imperfect- | asg: dead? |
| 01:36.07 | asg | imperfect-: progeny is also non-debian; try #progeny |
| 01:36.14 | maher | EvilRick: what version of debian |
| 01:36.18 | nono | drakeman: no you did not. but for what I got, it is what imperfect- says... |
| 01:36.23 | asg | imperfect-: as in the same category as knoppix |
| 01:36.30 | imperfect- | asg: Progeny is a linux support services company based like 10 miles from my house? |
| 01:36.42 | drakeman | Sakina: fuck, i forgot, irssi has some postfix in debian.... |
| 01:36.52 | Sakina | has been obsolete or in n ot available with the contents of sources.list , drakeman |
| 01:37.00 | imperfect- | asg: And uhm, well, Ian Murdock is like CEO. So I'd assume that the debIAN sources would be up to date? |
| 01:37.03 | asg | imperfect-: yes; created by the guy who created Debian. However, it is not Debian in the manner that we support. |
| 01:37.05 | guk | -rwxrwxrwx 1 chris chris 445055300 May 28 17:59 hlds_l_1120_full.bin |
| 01:37.07 | guk | okay |
| 01:37.07 | drakeman | Sakina: do an apt-cache search irssi and install that |
| 01:37.11 | guk | nothing will let me exicute this file |
| 01:37.15 | imperfect- | I'm not using progeny. |
| 01:37.16 | EvilRick | maalox I have 3.0r2 running bf24 |
| 01:37.16 | guk | it always says permission denied |
| 01:37.17 | guk | :( |
| 01:37.20 | imperfect- | I'm using the repositories. |
| 01:37.24 | Sakina | ok.. |
| 01:37.27 | drakeman | Sakina: but i really must go to sleep now :( |
| 01:37.35 | asg | imperfect-: 21:35 < imperfect-> i'm using progeny |
| 01:37.39 | drakeman | Sakina: do you remember what i told you with the /exec? |
| 01:37.40 | hex|zzz | progeny componentized seemed nice, until you truied to click anything other than "next". then the installer crashed |
| 01:37.43 | asg | imperfect-: ??? |
| 01:37.51 | imperfect- | asg: look further up where i speak about my sources being old |
| 01:37.57 | Sakina | Yes, drakeman |
| 01:38.03 | drakeman | nono: i meant about sid/sarge (which is newer) |
| 01:38.04 | imperfect- | asg: it was in that context that i referred to progeny |
| 01:38.08 | maher | EvilRick: you're running stable - 2.6.6 is only available in unstable |
| 01:38.18 | asg | imperfect-: agreed but we were talking about 3.2 being the version of kde you use? |
| 01:38.20 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: with what do you see there's this kernel-image-2.6.6-i386 ? ftp ? |
| 01:38.27 | EvilRick | maher: how do I select to use unstable? |
| 01:38.32 | EvilRick | ftp and http |
| 01:38.32 | asg | imperfect-: sid (the current unstable version of Debian) only has 3.1 |
| 01:38.36 | maher | EvilRick: you don't want to do that |
| 01:38.39 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: bah maher surely answered your question |
| 01:38.41 | dan2 | asg! |
| 01:38.44 | EvilRick | got kernel headers kerner0image and source |
| 01:38.45 | nono | drakeman: ok ;-) |
| 01:38.47 | asg | imperfect-: your sources might be stale but they are not Debian sources |
| 01:38.48 | dan2 | !wb asg |
| 01:38.48 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! asg has returned! |
| 01:38.50 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 01:39.03 | EvilRick | from what I heard 2.6 is stable |
| 01:39.05 | asg | dan2: I just turned into mwilson...I need a holiday |
| 01:39.08 | EvilRick | thats why its .6 |
| 01:39.11 | x|e | is it possible to use a domain on my system if it isnt registered to me? (expired but can i still use it?) |
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| 01:39.18 | nono | someone can give me a like about making work digital camera on linux? (canon s410 know as ixus 430 too) |
| 01:39.20 | dan2 | asg: memorial day! |
| 01:39.21 | asg | EvilRick: note that 2.4 wasn't considered stable until .18 |
| 01:39.22 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: do you need a feature from 2.6.6 you don't have now? |
| 01:39.27 | asg | dan2: on Monday, yes |
| 01:39.32 | maher | nono: is it supported by gphoto? |
| 01:39.37 | dan2 | asg: do you have to work this weekend? |
| 01:39.45 | EvilRick | T_VoiD: was hoping they fixed some problems in iptables |
| 01:39.52 | asg | dan2: I work every day. |
| 01:39.56 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: which one? |
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| 01:40.03 | asg | dan2: I just don't have to be in the office this weekend :) |
| 01:40.38 | EvilRick | well basically packets going out of output dont hit the masquerade target in postrouting |
| 01:40.41 | nono | maher: I guess so... the S400 is supported and the S410 is basically the same with some technical spec modificated |
| 01:40.57 | maher | nono: install gphoto then and see if it talks to it |
| 01:41.02 | nono | maher: because gphoto is the only way to make digital camera works? |
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| 01:41.23 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: oh i see. i think there's a new kernel option about that even in 2.4? |
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| 01:41.35 | EvilRick | I left a bug report for the netfilter crowd and they said install a newer version |
| 01:41.47 | maher | nono: no - but if it does its easy |
| 01:41.51 | dan2 | asg: nice |
| 01:42.08 | dan2 | asg: still have any remnants of your C skills? |
| 01:42.15 | asg | dan2: you figure out what you were having issues with earlier? |
| 01:42.15 | garo | Is there somebody here who works with the standard debian 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel and wants to send me 8139too.o ? |
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| 01:42.30 | dan2 | asg: yes |
| 01:42.35 | EvilRick | problem is every time I bake my own kernel wierd stuff happens .. last one was unresolved symbols in 8139too .. 3 symbols for mii tool.. |
| 01:42.41 | EvilRick | other net drivers worked |
| 01:42.41 | asg | dan2: my C skills are in disrepair these days :( |
| 01:42.45 | EvilRick | some gave other errors |
| 01:43.00 | x|e | can anyone answer that plz? |
| 01:43.00 | dan2 | asg: is it fixable? |
| 01:43.03 | asg | dan2: but what's the issue you are having? |
| 01:43.04 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: problem is the new kernel would need the right compile option too |
| 01:43.08 | EvilRick | I assume its because I left something out of teh kernel options |
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| 01:43.19 | asg | dan2: hehe |
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| 01:43.37 | dan2 | asg: well, someone to give me a hand implementing lt_dl stuff would be nice |
| 01:43.54 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: to bake a new kernel, just take the config file of your debian kernel and reapply it on yours, then start doing changes. don't start from scratch you avoid most surprises |
| 01:43.54 | asg | dan2: lt_dl ? |
| 01:43.59 | EvilRick | T_VoiD: dude I just make menuconfig.. select stuff that looks right and then make dep bzImage modules and modules_install |
| 01:44.09 | dan2 | asg: I know how to do it, I know what needs to be done, Libtool dynamic loader(linker?) |
| 01:44.14 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: use make oldconfig on a debian config file before |
| 01:44.26 | EvilRick | where do I find my current config? |
| 01:44.26 | dan2 | asg: let me find you the email I wrote on their mailinglist |
| 01:44.41 | asg | dan2: ah, never used it. All the C I ever wrote used simple Makefiles. |
| 01:44.41 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: debian kernel packages store it in /boot |
| 01:44.49 | EvilRick | and are older config files valid under newer kernel options? |
| 01:45.08 | dan2 | asg: http://twister.fastxs.net/pipermail/dbmail-dev/2004-May/003858.html |
| 01:45.18 | asg | dan2: did run across an interesting bug tracker today (roundup) written in python. |
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| 01:45.34 | dan2 | asg: you don't have to touch a single Makefile, I rewrote the build system from the ground up using automake1.8, Ill submit patches soon |
| 01:45.47 | EvilRick | shees I have to get some sleep .. its 4 am here |
| 01:45.50 | gimpTT | hello good people! I'm looking for a sophisticated MP3 player... any recommendations? |
| 01:45.53 | x|e | hmmz ok.. how can i run a dns server from debian? |
| 01:46.04 | gimpTT | what player do you people use? |
| 01:46.08 | EvilRick | Thanks for the help T_VoiD.. |
| 01:46.19 | asg | dan2: yeah, I saw the blog about the dbmail cvs commit privs; congratz |
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| 01:46.33 | dan2 | asg: nice |
| 01:46.34 | asg | x|e: apt-cache search dns |
| 01:46.42 | dan2 | asg: google for Dan Weber |
| 01:46.51 | EvilRick | *wave* |
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| 01:46.58 | jaxxan | hey ya'll |
| 01:46.59 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: check for this option: CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_LOCAL i think that's the one you're refering to |
| 01:47.00 | x|e | asg, can i run my old domain even tho its expired? |
| 01:47.13 | T_VoiD | er |
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| 01:47.30 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: make oldconfig is for that. any new option will be asked, any old option is conserved |
| 01:47.32 | asg | x|e: locally, but not for the rest of the Internet |
| 01:47.39 | asg | dan2: you are second :) |
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| 01:47.58 | x|e | asg, so it isnt possible then |
| 01:48.03 | dan2 | asg: not bad :) |
| 01:48.04 | jaxxan | when i log into the console i am able to see system messages, for example, when i plug/unplug a usb device, but when i'm in a Konsole in KDE, i dont see those messages, how can i enable it to display those messages in my konsole ? |
| 01:48.16 | asg | x|e: not without hijacking the domain from the current owners which is illegal, no. |
| 01:48.26 | thomas_adam | I must be insane. |
| 01:48.32 | x|e | emm i am the owner lol but the domain expired |
| 01:48.33 | dan2 | asg: its time I learn php |
| 01:48.35 | asg | dan2: mine is first (though it's just a list entry dealing with Dell CPi's) |
| 01:48.41 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: xconsole |
| 01:48.41 | asg | dan2: PHP is easy and fun |
| 01:48.52 | x|e | and i dont have money atm to put it back up so i figured i would run it myself eh |
| 01:48.57 | thomas_adam | php sucks. USe embedded perl or ruby |
| 01:48.59 | dan2 | asg: I hate writing html |
| 01:49.09 | thomas_adam | CGI r0xs |
| 01:49.13 | asg | dan2: there are classes and templating systems to do that for you |
| 01:49.22 | dan2 | asg: ? |
| 01:49.23 | gimpTT | perl sucks too.. the inpenetrable fog language |
| 01:49.26 | jaxxan | it say's: Couldn't open console |
| 01:49.28 | Nurbs | x|e: if it's expired the registrar might/will leave it online for some time, but you can't really do it. |
| 01:49.31 | asg | x|e: if you aren't paying for it, you don't own it. |
| 01:49.33 | jaxxan | when i type xconsole |
| 01:49.51 | asg | dan2: easy and fun; you'll love it |
| 01:49.57 | jaxxan | do i have to be logged in as root to do that ? |
| 01:49.59 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: adduser $user adm |
| 01:50.02 | T_VoiD | EvilRick: does the current kernel you are using have this option in the /boot/config-* file? |
| 01:50.20 | asg | thomas_adam: embedded Perl is still bloated; don't get me started on mod_python |
| 01:50.26 | thomas_adam | asg: heh. |
| 01:50.48 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: also chmod g+rw /dev/console |
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| 01:50.50 | asg | thomas_adam: just waking up and having a cuppa or what? |
| 01:51.01 | thomas_adam | asg: yet to go to bed. |
| 01:51.06 | asg | thomas_adam: ahhh |
| 01:51.08 | thomas_adam | almost 3am here. |
| 01:51.31 | thomas_adam | Just watched kill bill. It's umm, bit violent. |
| 01:51.32 | dan2 | asg: do you have a recent version of tla on your box? |
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| 01:51.47 | asg | dan2: no |
| 01:51.54 | thomas_adam | Not to mention the version I watched was in japanese with no subtitles, so I didn't have a clue wtf was happening. |
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| 01:52.00 | dan2 | asg: install tla from sid |
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| 01:52.13 | asg | dan2: I only use svn and cvs :) |
| 01:52.19 | dan2 | asg: hmm |
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| 01:52.34 | dan2 | asg: I wanted you to have access to my tla branch |
| 01:52.50 | asg | dan2: email me, I'll install it tomorrow and have a look |
| 01:53.18 | dan2 | bah |
| 01:53.21 | asg | dan2: I'm getting ready to crash anyway; s'been a long day |
| 01:53.32 | jaxxan | will i need to logout and log back in for those changes to take effect? |
| 01:53.40 | dan2 | asg: tla isn't like svn or cvs, it requires a brain to use |
| 01:53.48 | asg | dan2: hah |
| 01:53.57 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: yes. |
| 01:54.03 | asg | dan2: I'm tired; brain is on autopilot atm |
| 01:54.19 | jaxxan | brb |
| 01:54.25 | thomas_adam | is piggy a bot? |
| 01:54.30 | asg | thomas_adam: yes, sussudio's |
| 01:54.31 | dan2 | asg: i bet I could finish it tonight |
| 01:54.37 | thomas_adam | hehehe |
| 01:54.53 | slidesinger | Situation: firewall running 2.4.25 kernel based firewall. I want to allow someone to scp some files through my firewall to his home directory. Does anyone know how to do this? |
| 01:54.56 | asg | thomas_adam: which should tell you something :) |
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| 01:55.08 | thomas_adam | asg: I did wonder, with a name like that. :) |
| 01:55.14 | asg | slidesinger: open port 22 to them |
| 01:55.15 | dan2 | thomas_adam: whats the best way to use a function as a compatibility wrapper for a new one? |
| 01:55.27 | thomas_adam | dan2: Be more specific. |
| 01:55.31 | Bill | ok I just did make-kpkg buildpackage --initrd -rev Custom.1 kernel_image |
| 01:55.33 | Bill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:55.49 | Bill | do dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.3_Custom.1_i386.deb now ? |
| 01:55.50 | thomas_adam | ewwww |
| 01:55.52 | thomas_adam | initrd? |
| 01:55.55 | thomas_adam | why? |
| 01:56.00 | thomas_adam | !tell thomas_adam about enter |
| 01:56.02 | asg | Bill: if it compiled and built cleanly do 'cd ../dpkg -i kernel-image*.deb |
| 01:56.03 | Bill | thomas_adam I have to or else it doesnt boot. |
| 01:56.06 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: more info needed. is the firewall a separate box between internet and you box(es) on an intranet? |
| 01:56.09 | dan2 | thomas_adam: I just have to redirect calls from db_open(int blah) to foo->db_open(int blah) |
| 01:56.09 | thomas_adam | Bill: err, nonsense. |
| 01:56.09 | asg | thomas_adam: hah |
| 01:56.18 | Bill | it fatal errors on root="" |
| 01:56.19 | Bill | trust me |
| 01:56.35 | thomas_adam | Bill: so stop using the .config from your boot kernel and compile in your ext2/3 support. |
| 01:56.39 | pmwilson | !tell me about enter |
| 01:56.45 | Bill | thomas_adam I did |
| 01:56.53 | thomas_adam | Bill: I don't think you did..... |
| 01:56.56 | slidesinger | T_VoiD: yes, the firewall is a separate box between my servers and a cable modem. |
| 01:57.13 | Bill | thomas_adam I did the same exact hehe and then did the initrd command it its always worked since same .config |
| 01:57.20 | asg | !tell pmwilson about /msg |
| 01:57.23 | slidesinger | firewall also serves up dhcp to users inside the firewall |
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| 01:57.30 | Bill | what what command do I do now? do dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.3_Custom.1_i386.deb?? |
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| 01:57.46 | Sakina | What should be used to see man pages , page by page. Usually we use |more to see. But it's not working in Debian |
| 01:57.55 | thomas_adam | Bill: see your PM. |
| 01:57.56 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: well you could add a nat rule that will redirect an access from your friend to your firewall's port 22 toward one of your internal box on port 22 |
| 01:58.02 | asg | Sakina: what does 'echo $PAGER' say? |
| 01:58.09 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: your friend needs a fixed ip for that |
| 01:58.11 | thomas_adam | Sakina: man <foo> | col -bx | less |
| 01:58.11 | Random-832 | Sakina: why doesn't man already do that without |more? |
| 01:58.15 | Bill | thomas_adam I cant apt-get a kernel that works |
| 01:58.21 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: i mean static ip |
| 01:58.24 | Random-832 | thomas_adam: what does col do? |
| 01:58.27 | Sakina | oops |
| 01:58.31 | thomas_adam | Random-832: RTFM |
| 01:58.40 | Random-832 | ... i know what it _does_ |
| 01:58.40 | thomas_adam | Random-832: essentially filters out reverse-line feeds. |
| 01:58.54 | Random-832 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.57 | pmwilson | asg: I know, but i didn't know what bot to use. i would have used apt. do they both contain the same stuff? why don't they both answer the !queries ? |
| 01:59.09 | Bill | thomas_adam it doesnt make my broadman nic work. It doesnt install tg3 correctly or something. so im trying to compile on that makes tg3 work. :0( and im compiling a kenrel becuase 2.4s load balancing on the smp kernel isnt very good at all compared to the 2.6 kenrel. |
| 01:59.13 | thomas_adam | pmwilson: yes. |
| 01:59.14 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: oh i just reread the question |
| 01:59.17 | asg | pmwilson: they are generally synchronized; dpkg is more reliable |
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| 01:59.30 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: i i took it the wrong way. it should be simplier |
| 01:59.33 | asg | pmwilson: also, dpkg answers to '!', apt to '~' |
| 01:59.34 | Random-832 | because, i think man already invokes col :P |
| 01:59.37 | thomas_adam | Bill: Read whar dpkg told you. |
| 01:59.42 | Sakina | asg, echo $PAGER just shows a new line :) |
| 01:59.43 | Bill | I did. |
| 01:59.49 | thomas_adam | Sakina: apt-get install less |
| 01:59.49 | pmwilson | asg: last time i was around, they were swapped |
| 01:59.54 | Bill | rm -rf stam-* I need to do? |
| 02:00.02 | asg | Sakina: what does /etc/alternatives/pager point to? |
| 02:00.05 | thomas_adam | Bill: make-kpkg clean |
| 02:00.07 | Mortal | hi , i upgraded to debian testing , from stable the other day , and now phpmyadmin isnt working , its asking for secret passphrase (blowfish_secret) , anyone knopw what this means? |
| 02:00.10 | asg | pmwilson: yes, times have changed |
| 02:00.20 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: is the access from outside to inside ? |
| 02:00.25 | Bill | it says I dont need to do that. |
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| 02:00.35 | asg | Mortal: check /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/* and the bts (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 02:00.39 | Sakina | thomas_adam, moreover when I try to type | , it doesn't show. ok.. |
| 02:00.49 | thomas_adam | Sakina: update-alternatives --config pager |
| 02:00.57 | slidesinger | T_VoiD: Yes. I was also thinking of using port redirection to enhance security by using an obscure port. |
| 02:01.16 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: ok then it's what I told. does your friend has a static ip? |
| 02:01.17 | Bill | thomas_adam -bash: make-kernel: command not found |
| 02:01.19 | asg | slidesinger: remember, security through obscurity gains you nothing |
| 02:01.25 | Bill | opps |
| 02:01.37 | jaxxan | crw-rw---- 1 root tty 5, 1 May 28 10:57 /dev/console |
| 02:01.37 | Bill | ok its cleaning no thomas_adam |
| 02:01.37 | asg | !kill Bill2 |
| 02:01.43 | jaxxan | it's still says couldn't open console when i launch xconsole |
| 02:01.47 | thomas_adam | Bill: ? No wonder nothing works for you if you cannot follow instructions. |
| 02:01.53 | Bill | asg if my fluffy teady bear I just wuv to hug and kiss him. |
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| 02:01.55 | Random-832 | asg: i assume you don't use a very obscure password, then |
| 02:02.04 | slidesinger | T_VoiD: Actually it is bidirectional. We are talking about using scp to share audio files between recording studios. |
| 02:02.04 | Bill | thomas_adam yeah sorroy bout that |
| 02:02.04 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: groups |
| 02:02.07 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: well friend or commercial contact dunno :p |
| 02:02.10 | thomas_adam | Bill: That's ok. |
| 02:02.14 | asg | Random-832: no, I don't |
| 02:02.18 | Bill | thomas_adam ok thats done |
| 02:02.22 | Kel | hm |
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| 02:02.27 | jaxxan | i'm in the adm and tty group |
| 02:02.32 | Kel | Temper is the one thing you can't get rid of by losing it. |
| 02:02.32 | thomas_adam | Bill: read the link to hantslug.org.uk given in the factoid. |
| 02:02.34 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: well question is the same. static ip or not? |
| 02:02.34 | Random-832 | i mean, security through obscurit y gains you nothing, so why not have the password just be the usernaem |
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| 02:02.41 | asg | Random-832: however, it isn't easily computationally discoverable |
| 02:02.43 | Bill | factoid? |
| 02:02.52 | thomas_adam | Bill: Yes, what dpkg told you was a factoid |
| 02:03.00 | Mahjongg | hi, I am looking for an application to get incoming&outgoing activity logs from my linksys router. anybody hopefully using one? |
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| 02:03.05 | thomas_adam | Bill: in your PM. |
| 02:03.07 | mlm_ | hello |
| 02:03.15 | thomas_adam | Mahjongg: ethereal |
| 02:03.17 | mlm_ | does anyone know how to restart sshd |
| 02:03.18 | mlm_ | ? |
| 02:03.20 | Bill | just do I just do dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.3_Custom.1_i386.deb ? |
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| 02:03.22 | Random-832 | a typical combination lock has fewer combinations than the number of ports |
| 02:03.24 | Kel | service sshd stop |
| 02:03.26 | Kel | service sshd start |
| 02:03.27 | Kel | ? |
| 02:03.29 | asg | mlm_: invoke-rc.d sshd restart |
| 02:03.29 | Random-832 | (1535 fewer, to be exact) |
| 02:03.32 | thomas_adam | mlm_: invoke-rc.d sshd restart |
| 02:03.35 | Kel | there's that to |
| 02:03.41 | slidesinger | T_VoiD: not, but if that is an issue, I can simply set it up for the ip's in question for each session. |
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| 02:03.44 | asg | Kel: running djbware? |
| 02:03.51 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: if both have static ip it's easy. if none haev static ip it's hard. if only one has static ip, maybe using vpn would be easier to use once set |
| 02:03.53 | florg | hi, on my debian box the fdisk -l command doesn't print anything. How can i get a list of partitions? |
| 02:03.55 | Kel | no, I've just been spending time on a Fedora box lately doing some work |
| 02:03.56 | thomas_adam | Kel: fool, service is a RH thing. |
| 02:03.59 | Kel | so I'm getting stuff confused. |
| 02:04.11 | thomas_adam | florg: It will /sbin/fdisk -l |
| 02:04.27 | Kel | thomas_adam: yes I know that :P |
| 02:04.29 | mlm_ | thomas_adam: invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/sshd not found. |
| 02:04.47 | thomas_adam | mlm_: invoke-rc.d ssh restart |
| 02:04.49 | asg | mlm_: then ssh isn't installed; apt-get install ssh |
| 02:04.50 | Bill | how can I show the date and time on my linux box? |
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| 02:04.57 | asg | Bill: 'date |
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| 02:05.02 | thomas_adam | Or rather the server is not. |
| 02:05.06 | florg | thomas_adam, it doesn't do anything :-/ |
| 02:05.09 | asg | thomas_adam: it's in the same package |
| 02:05.13 | mlm_ | asg: I'm already ssh'ed into the box |
| 02:05.13 | slidesinger | T_VoiD: I was reading about port redirection, but that doesn't seem to cover what I am looking for. |
| 02:05.22 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: it should |
| 02:05.25 | asg | mlm_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:05.25 | thomas_adam | florg: ? It does for me. |
| 02:05.40 | Fastly | how do i apt-get the ms corefonts, i.e. verdana... |
| 02:05.43 | Fastly | please |
| 02:05.44 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: you redirect both the port and the destination ip in the same rule |
| 02:05.48 | florg | thomas_adam, not even for me |
| 02:05.48 | Fastly | ? |
| 02:05.52 | thomas_adam | Fastly: it's in non-free non-us contrib main thingy |
| 02:05.54 | Random-832 | apt-get install msttcorefonts? |
| 02:06.03 | Random-832 | non-us? |
| 02:06.03 | thomas_adam | Fastly: mscorefonts |
| 02:06.03 | asg | mlm_: bah, try invoke-rc.d ssh restart (or /etc/init.d/ssh restart) |
| 02:06.06 | Bill | thomas_adam ok im rebooting lets see if she works |
| 02:06.07 | asg | !moron asg |
| 02:06.07 | Random-832 | since when is it non-us? |
| 02:06.08 | dpkg | asg: You are moron #76 |
| 02:06.08 | mlm_ | thomas_adamn3.0-bunk-1 |
| 02:06.19 | thomas_adam | !tell mlm_ about backports |
| 02:06.19 | mlm_ | opps |
| 02:06.21 | mlm_ | oops |
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| 02:07.06 | asg | Random-832: it probably isn't freely redistributable in the US; the rest of the world can give us the finger legally |
| 02:07.08 | mlm_ | thomas_adam: sorry, I typed sshd instead of ssh :) |
| 02:07.17 | thomas_adam | mlm_: uh-huh |
| 02:07.23 | Fastly | sorry how do i search for apt-get's? |
| 02:07.23 | Bill | ARG no such device on my NICS AAAHHH |
| 02:07.27 | Random-832 | asg: the package doesn't contain the fonts themselves |
| 02:07.41 | Random-832 | and, i don't believe it _is_ in non-us, that's why i said "since when", not "why" |
| 02:07.43 | asg | Random-832: true |
| 02:07.46 | Bill | I work and work and work and work then the penguin runs out and kicks me in the nuts. |
| 02:07.49 | thomas_adam | Random-832: If you know better, then say so. |
| 02:08.03 | asg | !info msttcorefonts sid |
| 02:08.05 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/graphics, is optional. Version: 1.1.4 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
| 02:08.06 | mlm_ | thanks for the help guys :) |
| 02:08.18 | asg | Random-832: that says contrib |
| 02:08.29 | Random-832 | yes, but it does not say non-us contrib |
| 02:08.44 | asg | Random-832: hmmmmm |
| 02:08.45 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: something like: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s yourcontactip -p tcp --dport 22222 --to-destination yourintranetbox:22 |
| 02:08.50 | thomas_adam | So i cannot remember exactly. |
| 02:08.53 | thomas_adam | Boohoo |
| 02:09.15 | Random-832 | ... |
| 02:09.18 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: i forgot a -j DNAT in the line |
| 02:09.21 | Random-832 | thomas_adam: you seem a bit confrontational |
| 02:09.32 | thomas_adam | Random-832: nah, don't take it that way. |
| 02:09.39 | thomas_adam | just sleep deprived, |
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| 02:09.53 | Random-832 | you told me to rtfm for col when i asked why it was necessary (when man doesn't output reverse linefeeds) |
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| 02:10.44 | jaxxan | sweet ' $ xconsole -file /dev/xconsole ' works great |
| 02:10.48 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: your contact can use a similar setting to allow you to do the same by his network |
| 02:11.00 | thomas_adam | Random-832: To be fair, you did say: "<Random-832> thomas_adam: what does col do?" which could have meant that you did not know. |
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| 02:11.25 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: ok I'm talking to a wall. giving up |
| 02:11.28 | Random-832 | i guess i could have been more clear |
| 02:12.02 | slidesinger | sorry, phone call brb |
| 02:13.18 | Hackel | Has anyone managed to get dual-head Xinerama working on a Radeon card? I can get it to work but it always puts the primary screen on my second monitor, even if I switch them around! |
| 02:14.46 | asg | thomas_adam: you'll love this, we were at a bar tonight and the bartenders were smarmy and not up to task. I had to call the bar manager on my cell to get more beers :) |
| 02:14.59 | thomas_adam | asg: hahahaha |
| 02:15.01 | asg | grover: morning |
| 02:15.02 | asg | bah |
| 02:15.05 | asg | Guerin: morning |
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| 02:15.23 | Guerin | asg: you still here? |
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| 02:15.36 | asg | Guerin: about to leave :) |
| 02:15.40 | thomas_adam | !pubtime |
| 02:15.40 | dpkg | i heard pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
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| 02:15.53 | Guerin | asg: damn, that's some beatings for the bar staff |
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| 02:16.00 | mlm_ | hmmmm...I'm trying to get xforwarding to work over ssh shouldn't I just be able to set "X11Forwarding yes" in sshd_config for the server and set DISPLAY=0:0 on the client? |
| 02:16.16 | asg | Guerin: hehe, the look on their faces was priceless though. |
| 02:16.37 | asg | mlm_: don't set DISPLAY on the client, use ssh -X <server> |
| 02:16.52 | mlm_ | asg: I do that too |
| 02:17.02 | slidesinger | T_VoiD: sorry, just got a phone call and the wireless went dead so I had to leave the room. I'm back and I thin I'm following what you are saying. I appreciate both the help and the pointer to where I should look for further info (iptables -t nat). I hope I can return the favour sometime. |
| 02:17.13 | asg | mlm_: does xauth exist on the server? |
| 02:17.16 | slidesinger | T_VoiD: Thanks. |
| 02:17.26 | asg | mlm_: and the client? |
| 02:17.37 | mlm_ | asg: hmmmm...not sure |
| 02:17.54 | asg | mlm_: well /msg dpkg sshx (follow all the instructions) |
| 02:17.58 | thomas_adam | mlm_: apt-get install xbase-clients anyway |
| 02:18.12 | asg | night all |
| 02:18.15 | thomas_adam | asg: nn |
| 02:18.21 | mlm_ | asg: later |
| 02:18.27 | Guerin | asg: sleep well |
| 02:18.32 | mlm_ | thomas_adam: do i really need that? |
| 02:18.34 | Guerin | asg: see you on the other side :) |
| 02:18.40 | asg | Guerin: :) |
| 02:18.40 | thomas_adam | mlm_: for xauth, aye. |
| 02:18.41 | asg | thomas_adam: :) |
| 02:18.42 | asg | mlm_: :) |
| 02:18.43 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: ok hehe |
| 02:18.44 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 02:19.14 | mlm_ | thomas_adam: do I install that on both machines? |
| 02:19.16 | T_VoiD | slidesinger: look for DNAT , that's the "port forwarding" feature |
| 02:19.22 | thomas_adam | mlm_: yes. |
| 02:19.32 | thomas_adam | !tell mlm_ about sshx |
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| 02:20.00 | asumo | can someone help me format my hard drive using knoppix 3.3 |
| 02:20.16 | Random-832 | cat test,4test |
| 02:20.19 | slidesinger | T_VoiD: thanks |
| 02:20.20 | Random-832 | oops |
| 02:20.25 | Random-832 | meant '/echo' not 'cat' |
| 02:20.27 | Random-832 | ignore that |
| 02:20.36 | thomas_adam | asumo: mke2fs -j /dev/foo |
| 02:21.04 | mlm_ | thomas_adam: you must get these questions frequently :) |
| 02:21.26 | thomas_adam | mlm_: Nah. ;) |
| 02:21.38 | jaxxan | thomas_adam: is there a way to make xconsole scroll down automatically? |
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| 02:21.51 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: Umm, it does. |
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| 02:21.55 | thomas_adam | !bedtime |
| 02:21.55 | dpkg | bedtime is, like, set to be 02:21:56 2004 thomas_adam so get to bed! |
| 02:21.57 | asumo | thomas it says the device does not apparently exist |
| 02:22.02 | mlm_ | thomas_adam: actually I already have it installed on both machines |
| 02:22.16 | asumo | how do i get knoppix to detect my harddrive and mount it? |
| 02:22.23 | thomas_adam | asumo: you are meant to replace /dev/foo with the real device -- hint, see "fdisk -l" |
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| 02:22.25 | jaxxan | oh |
| 02:22.34 | jaxxan | i see |
| 02:22.39 | thomas_adam | asumo: Of you are formatting it you do not need to mount it. |
| 02:22.40 | mlm_ | thomas_adam:X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 02:22.49 | jaxxan | is there a way to change the background color from white to black? |
| 02:22.57 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: Yes, do: |
| 02:23.07 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: xconsole.foreground: color |
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| 02:23.10 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: xconsole.background: color |
| 02:23.32 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: put them in ~/.Xdefaults and add: xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults to ~/.xsession |
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| 02:23.51 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: and run the aforementioned xrdb command. |
| 02:23.59 | asumo | thomas thta command u gave me, what does it do |
| 02:24.02 | asumo | format it |
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| 02:24.11 | mlm_ | thomas_adam: hmmmm....I don't know what the heck is going on. It just suddenly started working |
| 02:24.19 | asumo | its a brand new hd, does it need formating, or can u just mount it |
| 02:24.22 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: if it does not work, replace the xconsole.foo with xconsole*foo |
| 02:24.40 | thomas_adam | asumo: It'll destroy whatever data is on the partition. |
| 02:24.50 | mlm_ | thomas_adam: thanks for the help! |
| 02:24.52 | thomas_adam | mlm_: It created the necessary privs. |
| 02:24.54 | thomas_adam | mlm_: yw. |
| 02:24.57 | asumo | thomas: its brand new, so do i need to format it? |
| 02:25.08 | thomas_adam | asumo: Yes. |
| 02:25.12 | asumo | ok |
| 02:25.19 | thomas_adam | asumo: See the debian install guide for details. |
| 02:25.28 | thomas_adam | asumo: What will you be using the drive for? |
| 02:25.43 | Bill | im trying to install a bcm5700 drivers for my nic, I go make in the src folder like it says but it says. MakeFile:34: *** Linux kernel source tree not found. Stop. |
| 02:25.45 | Bill | help |
| 02:26.01 | thomas_adam | Bill: cd /usr/src/linux && make |
| 02:26.15 | thomas_adam | Bill: oh wait. |
| 02:26.19 | thomas_adam | Read that wrong. |
| 02:26.23 | Bill | oh |
| 02:26.30 | Bill | aighty no problemo |
| 02:26.31 | jaxxan | i dont have a ~/.xsessions i only have ~./xsessions-errors |
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| 02:26.36 | thomas_adam | Bill: You need to be much more precise. |
| 02:26.39 | Bill | is it fixable. |
| 02:26.42 | Bill | ok about what? |
| 02:26.47 | Bill | that is the exact error |
| 02:26.55 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 02:27.15 | Bill | im typing make .... and then that error happends first thing. |
| 02:27.19 | thomas_adam | Bill: What have you done? Got the source to your NIC and are trying to compile it? |
| 02:27.20 | dbron | Bill: you prolly need the kernel source package or kernel header package for your kernel |
| 02:27.32 | Bill | thomas_adam yes I thinkk. |
| 02:27.43 | Bill | dbron crap I hope not .. oh wait I thinik I have that |
| 02:27.43 | thomas_adam | Bill: then apt-get install linux-kernel-headers |
| 02:27.49 | Bill | co I have to do it in the same folder as the headers and stuff? |
| 02:27.53 | Bill | I cant apt get no nic |
| 02:27.59 | thomas_adam | Bill: ha! |
| 02:28.04 | thomas_adam | Bill: That's your issue, matey. |
| 02:28.20 | Bill | I still have the headers in the folder I created when I make my kernel .. will those work? |
| 02:28.22 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: pay special attention to the hantslug link in that info. |
| 02:28.35 | thomas_adam | Bill: ^^^^ |
| 02:28.38 | Bill | thomas_adam give up and shoot myself in the foot? |
| 02:28.47 | thomas_adam | Bill: No, _read_ what I said. |
| 02:28.54 | Bill | thats my issue? |
| 02:29.08 | Bill | you dont wana help any more? |
| 02:29.08 | thomas_adam | Bill: What NIC have you got? |
| 02:29.13 | DTiVo4me | qmail, postfix, or sendmail? i have a minimal woody install with only webserver in tasksel selected. am using webmin and is asking for one saying none installed. I have 3 machines on a lan. |
| 02:29.15 | Bill | broadam |
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| 02:29.25 | thomas_adam | DTiVo4me: the default is exim -- use that. |
| 02:29.27 | nono | hi guys |
| 02:29.31 | Bill | thomas_adam they are onboard my HP dl140 prolian server. |
| 02:29.41 | Bill | and they work in 2.4 but not 2.6 |
| 02:29.41 | DTiVo4me | ;) |
| 02:29.50 | Guerin | DTiVo4me: exim is default, postfix is better |
| 02:29.51 | thomas_adam | !tell DTiVo4me about polls |
| 02:29.52 | Bill | so Im thinking I can just install the drivers for em ..and then they will work. |
| 02:30.00 | jaxxan | k |
| 02:30.02 | thomas_adam | Bill: Hmm, I do not know. |
| 02:30.03 | nono | Mozilla crash on flash page... the pb is that it crashes only with one user... with another user it does not crash... someone can help me? |
| 02:30.09 | Bill | crap |
| 02:30.10 | Bill | im scared |
| 02:30.14 | thomas_adam | nono: OOM? |
| 02:30.17 | dbron | !start an mta war |
| 02:30.17 | dpkg | smail owns |
| 02:30.32 | Bill | it works off the tg3 driver but the driver is broken in 2.6 I gues. |
| 02:30.35 | thomas_adam | Bill: I remember you from weeks ago. |
| 02:30.36 | nono | thomas_adam: what is OOM? |
| 02:30.40 | thomas_adam | !OOM |
| 02:30.40 | dpkg | what a woc says. Out Of Memory |
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| 02:30.49 | Snadder | I have an "RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20276 IDE (rev 01)" card... in 2.4.x kernels I could mark an option to get support for it.. |
| 02:30.59 | lknyshov | nono: permissions could be wrong. |
| 02:31.07 | Snadder | ...anyone know where I can find that option in the 2.6.x kernels |
| 02:31.10 | nono | lknyshov: the permissions of what? |
| 02:31.14 | Snadder | ..if its needed |
| 02:31.17 | thomas_adam | Snadder: It's still there. |
| 02:31.37 | lknyshov | nono: What is special about this user to begin with? Custom shell? |
| 02:31.41 | Bill | thomas_adam yeah I have been trying for about 2.5 weeks now |
| 02:31.42 | thomas_adam | nono: if it is mozilla, mv ~/.mozilla ~/.oldmozilla |
| 02:31.43 | Bill | solid |
| 02:31.45 | Guerin | Snadder: grep -i RAID /your/config |
| 02:31.49 | thomas_adam | nono: and try again. |
| 02:31.52 | Bill | and I aight getting NO WHERE |
| 02:32.07 | thomas_adam | Bill: You will do, just slow down and take it easy. |
| 02:32.14 | nono | thomas_adam: is firefox... permissions are to my user, should not be pb... |
| 02:32.21 | Bill | ok well im going to go throw this useless dual xeon in the garbage .. maybe I will shoot it with shotgun |
| 02:32.22 | NoDoubtInsane | bill its linux,,,, expect that ,,, |
| 02:32.26 | Bill | I got 2 days left |
| 02:32.33 | Bill | till I gata put it in colo |
| 02:32.36 | thomas_adam | nono: My point is your cache for the crashy user might be fubar |
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| 02:32.47 | lknyshov | Just because they should not be a problem, doesn't mean that in reality your permissions are in fact not a problem ;-) |
| 02:32.49 | thomas_adam | That has been known to crash fire-shite |
| 02:32.59 | Snadder | thomas_adam, I cant see it.. which one is it? |
| 02:33.07 | thomas_adam | Snadder: What Guerin said. |
| 02:33.11 | nono | thomas_adam: fubar? |
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| 02:33.23 | thomas_adam | !tell nono about fubar |
| 02:33.23 | nono | thomas_adam: I moved .firefox... still crash... |
| 02:33.29 | lknyshov | nono: translation: he is telling you to clear the cache |
| 02:33.31 | thomas_adam | nono: strace it |
| 02:33.57 | thomas_adam | or btter yet.... |
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| 02:34.01 | nono | lknyshov: cleared already... and now moved the .firefox dir... still crash... |
| 02:34.13 | thomas_adam | ls -l $(which mozilla-firefox) |
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| 02:34.14 | DanC | hm... cdrecord isn't working. I'm getting no such device for /dev/sg0. clues? |
| 02:34.16 | Snadder | thomas_adam, I did that.. but dont know which of them it is |
| 02:34.31 | Bill | hey thomas_adam can I do this? |
| 02:34.33 | Bill | In this situation, I would recommend you identify the part of the |
| 02:34.33 | Bill | Debian patch that backs out the tg3 driver, revert it, package it as a |
| 02:34.33 | Bill | kernel patch package, and use it locally to get a Debian kernel with |
| 02:34.33 | Bill | tg3 support. This seems a lot of work at first, but is very nice to |
| 02:34.33 | Bill | have around for the next kernel upgrade. |
| 02:34.54 | DanC | what module provides char major device 21? |
| 02:34.59 | thomas_adam | Bill: heh, it's wayyyy outta your league. |
| 02:35.04 | lknyshov | nono: sounds like fun already ;-) What page are we crashing on? |
| 02:35.06 | Bill | but I have a belly button! |
| 02:35.13 | thomas_adam | DanC: grep /etc/modules.conf for it. |
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| 02:35.45 | nono | lknyshov: www.dslz.org ...but it went worse of worse with day... before was not crashing so much... now seems to crash always... |
| 02:35.49 | thomas_adam | DanC: modprobe sg_mod |
| 02:35.51 | DanC | no 21 in /etc/modules.conf , thomas_adam |
| 02:35.55 | nono | lknyshov: and the same page with my other user works fine... |
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| 02:36.00 | Bill | thomas_adam ok so no hope for me? |
| 02:36.06 | Bill | or can I crack away on that in 2 days? |
| 02:36.09 | thomas_adam | I have to go to bed. |
| 02:36.14 | Guerin | Bill: is this mission-critical? |
| 02:36.15 | DanC | modprobe: Can't locate module sg_mod |
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| 02:36.20 | Bill | guerin yeah |
| 02:36.32 | Bill | (if that means really really important |
| 02:36.35 | nono | thomas_adam: strace says segmentation fault... |
| 02:36.39 | Guerin | Bill: then I suggest you pay someone to do it for you |
| 02:36.43 | thomas_adam | nono: heh |
| 02:36.55 | lknyshov | nono: are both users non-root? |
| 02:37.03 | Bill | Guerin ok I better go sell myself to get some $. im broke after buying the server |
| 02:37.18 | nono | lknyshov: yeap non-root users... |
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| 02:37.26 | Guerin | Bill: it's not incredibly hard to do, if you know how to do it, but if you don't actually know how already, it'll be a hella mission |
| 02:37.34 | lknyshov | nono: do they both belong to identical groups? |
| 02:37.48 | nono | lknyshov: just a min |
| 02:37.49 | DanC | hmm... is package search down? I can't find sg_mod anywhere using http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 02:37.58 | Bill | guerin well I have a belly button. so after I get back from the store im going to jump all over it. |
| 02:38.00 | thomas_adam | lknyshov: it might be perms to the chrome database -- you never know. |
| 02:38.13 | Guerin | Bill: WTF is a belly button? |
| 02:38.18 | lknyshov | thomas_adam: yeah I know... permissions are about 90% of unix problems. |
| 02:38.22 | Guerin | Bill: other than the obvious, I mean |
| 02:38.43 | thomas_adam | lknyshov: not if you chmod -R 777 / :) |
| 02:38.43 | nono | lknyshov: the only groups that the user that crash has more are: lp and floppy ... except that it is the same |
| 02:38.52 | Bill | its ... my belly button.. u dont have one? |
| 02:38.54 | Bill | alien |
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| 02:39.16 | dob | hi |
| 02:39.22 | thomas_adam | !moron DanC |
| 02:39.23 | dpkg | DanC: You are moron #83 |
| 02:39.30 | lknyshov | thomas_adam: I can tell you that will break any security-aware application. |
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| 02:39.56 | lknyshov | nono: got ya. OK, do you have any confidential stuff in those user directories? |
| 02:39.56 | thomas_adam | lknyshov: No, really? Please, give me a little credit. |
| 02:40.09 | DanC | er... what suggests I'm a moron? |
| 02:40.10 | thomas_adam | lknyshov: You might have missed the smiley from the end of the setence. |
| 02:40.11 | nono | lknyshov: nope |
| 02:40.11 | Guerin | Bill: no, I have one, I just don't realise what relevance this has |
| 02:40.21 | dob | just to know, are there any limit to the nat table ? and where it is defined ? |
| 02:40.33 | lknyshov | thomas_adam: I just spent an hour earlier today troubleshooting exim with someone because someone used mode 777 on his homedir. |
| 02:40.43 | thomas_adam | lknyshov: hahahaha |
| 02:40.55 | Guerin | lknyshov: pain and fear for him |
| 02:40.56 | sigjuice | does kde have a "user switching thing", something which doesn't require running another X server? |
| 02:41.08 | DanC | thomas_adam, I can't find sg_mod with find /lib/modules, so I tried package search. for this I'm a moron? |
| 02:41.08 | lknyshov | nono: in that case, what are the user names in question? |
| 02:41.11 | thomas_adam | sigjuice: gksudo ? |
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| 02:41.17 | nono | lknyshov: nono and elis |
| 02:41.20 | Guerin | sigjuice: can you describe how it's supposed to work? |
| 02:41.27 | lknyshov | nono: ok, are you on that system now? |
| 02:41.32 | thomas_adam | sigjuice: gksu, even. |
| 02:41.33 | thomas_adam | Bed. |
| 02:41.35 | asumo | thomas_adam: once i format the hd, what comes next |
| 02:41.36 | nono | lknyshov: yeap |
| 02:41.40 | Guerin | thomas_adam: nighty night |
| 02:41.43 | sigjuice | Guerin: like it works on windows XP home? |
| 02:41.49 | thomas_adam | asumo: what are you doing with the drive? |
| 02:41.57 | asumo | thomas: what do u mean |
| 02:41.58 | Guerin | sigjuice: what makes you think I've ever used winxp home? |
| 02:42.05 | thomas_adam | asumo: /msg dpkg onedisktoanother |
| 02:42.21 | Guerin | sigjuice: "run $APP as $USER?" |
| 02:42.21 | sigjuice | Guerin: and what makes you think I use winxp myself? |
| 02:42.25 | DanC | ooh... sg3-utils |
| 02:42.36 | lknyshov | nono: run these commands `ls -laR ~nono > ~/nono.txt; ls -laR ~elis > ~/elis.txt' and send me both of those files by DCC |
| 02:42.36 | Guerin | sigjuice: because you FUCKING MENTIONED IT |
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| 02:42.54 | sigjuice | Guerin: I saw it somewhere and I thought it was useful. I figured maybe there are other people who thought so too. |
| 02:43.19 | thomas_adam | sigjuice: You are special. :) |
| 02:43.25 | Guerin | sigjuice: what does it DO? |
| 02:43.26 | asumo | thomas: its a 160 gig hd, i want to create a partition so i can install knoppix or some other distro on it |
| 02:43.38 | asumo | how do i make the partition then mount it |
| 02:43.50 | lknyshov | nono: gzip them first though... you can e-mail to wiseleo@yahoo.com |
| 02:43.54 | thomas_adam | asumo: so use cfdisk, and then run mke2fs -j /dev/the/device/that/has/the/partition |
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| 02:44.24 | thomas_adam | asumo: assuming you want ext3 as the FS, of course. |
| 02:44.28 | nono | lknyshov: i do this |
| 02:44.29 | sigjuice | basically lets you do CTRL-ALT-Fx with a mouselclick or two |
| 02:44.34 | asumo | fs? |
| 02:44.36 | thomas_adam | sigjuice: man chvt |
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| 02:44.41 | thomas_adam | asumo: File system. |
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| 02:44.52 | DanC | anybody here use hdd=ide-scsi to do cd burning? do you use sg_mod.o? where does it live on your system? |
| 02:44.59 | asumo | well ext3 is the only file system for linux aint it? |
| 02:45.01 | lknyshov | nono: if you do that, I'll get a pretty good idea of where permissions might be wrong, but it will tell me the name of every file in that directory. |
| 02:45.07 | thomas_adam | asumo: No. |
| 02:45.18 | asumo | what other ones are there |
| 02:45.20 | thomas_adam | asumo: ext2/3, reiserfs, xfs, etc.... |
| 02:45.32 | asumo | thomas: what should i use? |
| 02:45.43 | thomas_adam | There's also 'afs' but we don't like Andrew -- he's a wanker. |
| 02:45.48 | thomas_adam | asumo: ext3 |
| 02:45.51 | asumo | k |
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| 02:46.01 | thomas_adam | asumo: I would recommend reiserfs, but somehow you're not ready for it just yet, |
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| 02:46.14 | nono | lknyshov: no pb... don't think there is anything confidential... ;-) |
| 02:46.18 | nono | lknyshov: sent |
| 02:46.31 | lknyshov | nono: received. |
| 02:46.37 | thomas_adam | asumo: But now, I am going to bed. I've told you what you need to do. Have fun. :) |
| 02:46.37 | avu | What to do to 'pipe' the graphical output of a X application through ssh from a computer without X to one with? |
| 02:46.50 | asumo | thomas: when i ran cfdisk it came with a message saying that "no partition table or unknown signature on partition table, do u wish to start with a zero table?" |
| 02:46.54 | asumo | do i say yes |
| 02:47.00 | dbron | asumo: you should also consider searching google for some of your answers. Your issue is well documented and many have taken the time to describe, in detail, the answer to your questings. |
| 02:47.02 | Guerin | asumo: do you? |
| 02:47.06 | zolt | I'm wondering if someone can clarify whether I can use a normal U320 drive 68ping in a SCA hotswap bay that supports U160? |
| 02:47.15 | Guerin | asumo: RTFQ |
| 02:47.23 | avu | I tried just isung ssh -X to the computer without X, then starting an application there bur then it can't open the display. |
| 02:47.29 | thomas_adam | DanC: Kindly NOT /msg me. |
| 02:47.40 | thomas_adam | THE NEXT PERSON TO /MSG ME IS GOING TO GET A KICKING. |
| 02:47.46 | zolt | lol |
| 02:47.54 | Guerin | dpkg, rtfq is Read The Fucking Question |
| 02:47.55 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 02:48.15 | thomas_adam | DanC: You're beginning to annoy me now. |
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| 02:49.07 | thomas_adam | DanC: Kindly read the /topic and pay particular attention to the part where it says /msg the bots NOT the people. |
| 02:49.09 | DanC | thomas_adam, you !moron'd me based on your own misunderstanding. Lighten up. |
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| 02:49.12 | asumo | guerin: if u aint got nothing usefull to say, then YOU SHUT THE F UP |
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| 02:49.29 | Guerin | asumo: if you can't read, the STFU yourself |
| 02:49.38 | asumo | whatever moron |
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| 02:49.41 | Guerin | asumo: DO you want to start from a 0 partition table? |
| 02:49.44 | Drizzt321|laptop | anyone ever setup xmms to use with jack? and for that matter anyone ever set up jack? I think I need some help |
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| 02:49.50 | HangaR | has anybody built a 2.6.6 custom kernel ??? |
| 02:49.53 | Guerin | !moron asumo |
| 02:49.54 | dpkg | asumo: You are moron #15 |
| 02:50.03 | tam | lol |
| 02:50.05 | loke___ | what is better r0 r1 or r2? |
| 02:50.12 | loke___ | for woody? |
| 02:50.23 | Guerin | loke___: r2 is latest |
| 02:50.31 | nono | loke___: r3 is quite good! |
| 02:50.46 | Guerin | loke___: but it's irrelevant, because if you install r0, then upgrade, you will have r2 |
| 02:51.05 | Guerin | nono: r3 ain't released yet, is it? |
| 02:51.11 | sigjuice | HangaR: define `custom' |
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| 02:51.16 | nono | Guerin: no, i was just kidding ;-) |
| 02:51.33 | Guerin | nono: goodgood, thought I was going mad |
| 02:51.37 | loke___ | so r2 then right |
| 02:51.45 | HangaR | sigjuice: your own kernel, not those from the repository |
| 02:51.58 | sigjuice | HangaR: I'm running my own 2.6.6 kernel |
| 02:52.12 | sigjuice | I'm even running a 2.6.6 user-mode-linux kernel inside it |
| 02:52.16 | Guerin | HangaR: dozens of people have done so |
| 02:52.30 | HangaR | sigjuice: i'm having some problem with my configuration. it freezes when switching from X to text mode |
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| 02:52.41 | NoDoubtInsane | hmmm,,,,, heres a question ,,,,, i put in an old 1.5 gig drive,, and let knoppix format it,,, just for ,,, linux stuff,,, but it doesnt really write to it,, and ,, am pretty sure it still mounted on RAMDISk,,, how can i get it to use that * HDb1* drive?/ |
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| 02:53.09 | dbron | !tell NoDoubtInsane about punctuation |
| 02:53.11 | nono | lknyshov: not idea yet? |
| 02:53.17 | sigjuice | well, I have my own problems with 2.6.6. |
| 02:53.20 | DanC | NoDoubtInsane, what symptoms suggest "it doesnt really write to it"? |
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| 02:53.35 | sigjuice | things were sort of okay with the packaged 2.6.5 |
| 02:53.42 | loke___ | i only need iso 1 for a basic install correct? |
| 02:53.48 | lknyshov | nono: working on a 266mhz laptop... with over 95% disk usage... takes forever |
| 02:53.49 | HangaR | sigjuice, yes... |
| 02:53.53 | dbron | !tell NoDoubtInsane about excessive punctuation |
| 02:54.10 | sigjuice | with 2.6.6, the lcd on my laptop makes this annoying buzzing noise . |
| 02:54.10 | nono | lknyshov: ouch... poor of you... |
| 02:54.17 | lknyshov | nono: yeah you have no idea |
| 02:54.18 | DanC | mode |
| 02:54.36 | loke___ | i only need iso 1 for a basic install correct? |
| 02:54.45 | NoDoubtInsane | danc,,,, WTF about the puncutation?... ,,,, the info i try to save to that drive is never there the next time i boot up? |
| 02:54.51 | sigjuice | I need to find time to experiment with different kernel builds to figure this out. |
| 02:55.03 | HangaR | sigjuice, every thing works just fine but this... the biggest problem is that the system doesnt shutdown correctly |
| 02:55.23 | sigjuice | HangaR: what does it do when it shuts down? |
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| 02:55.57 | HangaR | sigjuice, it just cant shutdown because it hangs after leaving X |
| 02:56.00 | NoDoubtInsane | er shyt im in the wrong room again,,,, :P |
| 02:56.08 | Guerin | NoDoubtInsane: you only ever need ONE of any given punctuation mark |
| 02:56.10 | nono | ls |
| 02:56.11 | diego | i try to update modules, but i got an "Error while executing arch/i386, aborting", what could i do? |
| 02:56.21 | HangaR | sigjuice, the same thing happens if I CTRL+ALT+F1 for example |
| 02:56.30 | NoDoubtInsane | lol Guerin |
| 02:56.59 | Sinistrad | Guerin, I think I disagree ... |
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| 02:57.22 | sigjuice | HangaR: what video card do you have? I have heard of issues with X <-> console switching with certain video cards and drivers. |
| 02:57.28 | sharren | can someone past me eth conf |
| 02:57.40 | sharren | for setting up eth1 with static ip + specified gateway |
| 02:57.44 | sharren | : ) |
| 02:57.52 | NoDoubtInsane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:58.15 | loke___ | what the heck is the NONUS.iso? |
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| 02:58.26 | HangaR | sigjuice, it's a SiS6326, but it works pretty fine with this repository kernel package i downloaded |
| 02:59.08 | dbron | NoDoubtInsane: well, it is commonly thought of as obnoxious and will reduce your chances of getting help |
| 02:59.25 | sigjuice | HangaR: I don't know. |
| 02:59.27 | sharren | are there any autoconfig procedure for setting eth ? |
| 02:59.31 | sharren | like pppoeconf |
| 02:59.36 | sigjuice | HangaR: do you see any funny messages in the logs? |
| 03:00.07 | NoDoubtInsane | .../msg dpkg ,,,, please tell bdron i just cant help myself ..... :P |
| 03:00.26 | HangaR | no, i get just a blank screen with a blinking cursor at the top left corner... that's all |
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| 03:00.47 | NoDoubtInsane | obnoxious? |
| 03:01.13 | sharren | uuuh |
| 03:01.42 | NoDoubtInsane | <dbron> NoDoubtInsane: well, it is commonly thought of as obnoxious and will reduce your chances of getting help |
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| 03:02.09 | NoDoubtInsane | sorry if my extra puncuation bothers you |
| 03:02.11 | HangaR | sigjuice, i used to have no such problems with 2.4 series |
| 03:02.13 | NoDoubtInsane | :PP |
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| 03:03.34 | Sakina | Anyone using IRSSI? |
| 03:03.42 | frederf | Sakina: yeah |
| 03:04.01 | Sakina | frederf, I'm not able to connect using irssi-text. |
| 03:04.18 | frederf | Sakina: what does it say ? |
| 03:04.26 | sigjuice | HangaR: I might have been able to help if I had physical access to the machine. It is hard to tell from here. All I can do is point you to google. Sorry. |
| 03:04.33 | frederf | irssi-text being irssi... |
| 03:04.44 | Guerin | fucking knoppix user aanyway |
| 03:04.53 | dbron | Sakina: did you use /server irc.debian.org or something similar? |
| 03:04.56 | Sakina | It finds the hostname and disconnectes showing clossing link (bad user info), frederf |
| 03:05.10 | frederf | Sakina: ah, whats your username on your machine ? |
| 03:05.17 | HangaR | sigjuice, well... thanx anyway |
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| 03:05.20 | Guerin | Sakina: you need to define a username, real name nick at least |
| 03:05.22 | frederf | Sakina: edit ~/.irssi/config |
| 03:05.24 | Sakina | Same as my nick. |
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| 03:05.47 | dbron | Sakina: maybe ident an ident error |
| 03:05.54 | Sakina | yes |
| 03:06.03 | frederf | freenode doesn't need ident enabled to join |
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| 03:06.31 | frederf | Sakina: look in ~/.irssi/config for core = { real_name etc... |
| 03:06.41 | Sakina | okay.. |
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| 03:10.20 | suffocate | help |
| 03:10.31 | suffocate | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:10.31 | suffocate | irssi-snapshot: Depends: perlapi-5.6.1 |
| 03:10.31 | suffocate | E: Broken packages |
| 03:10.54 | sigjuice | anyone know how this kde autologin thing works? |
| 03:11.10 | suffocate | help |
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| 03:13.23 | Guerin | suffocate: if you don't know how to resolve dependencies, why are you using a snapshot version of irssi? |
| 03:13.45 | Guerin | sigjuice: what precisely do you mean? |
| 03:13.51 | Hackel | Anyone know how to turn off large icons in the GNOME menu in 2.6? |
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| 03:14.04 | suffocate | i cant pgrade it |
| 03:14.14 | Guerin | Hackel: ask in #gnome on irc.gimp.org |
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| 03:15.24 | sigjuice | Guerin: If I knew precisely, I wouldn't need to ask, would I? |
| 03:15.31 | Guerin | dpkg, #gnome is <reply> The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gimp.org |
| 03:15.32 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 03:15.41 | Guerin | sigjuice: you'd be surprised... |
| 03:15.49 | Guerin | suffocate: why do you need to |
| 03:16.24 | Guerin | sigjuice: just with this little information, I can't give you any meaningful answer |
| 03:16.39 | Sakina | frederf, I gave a user name but still showing the same error. |
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| 03:18.16 | sharren | ppl |
| 03:18.49 | sharren | when i try to ifup eth0 it says it doesnt seem to have all the variables for eth0/inet |
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| 03:18.50 | sharren | : / |
| 03:19.01 | sharren | what am i supposed to put except for adress, netmask and gateway? |
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| 03:20.37 | sussudio | sharren: man interfaces |
| 03:20.41 | sussudio | idiot |
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| 03:21.40 | Guerin | sussudio: update this pic for thomas_adam |
| 03:21.43 | Guerin | http://www.jwz.org/images/capt.1054936093.canada_johnny_rotten_cptf102.jpg |
| 03:22.04 | sussudio | :-| |
| 03:22.18 | BlackJudas-Ballz | \o/ |
| 03:22.22 | BlackJudas-Ballz | HOSTCC scripts/basic/fixdep |
| 03:22.22 | BlackJudas-Ballz | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:97:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:22.32 | BlackJudas-Ballz | happens when I make menuconfig on 2.6.6 any ideas? |
| 03:22.39 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 03:22.39 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack of string, a little WD-40, and a handful of three-legged platypuses. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 03:22.53 | BlackJudas-Ballz | lol |
| 03:22.57 | Guerin | !lol |
| 03:22.58 | dpkg | LOL or Lamer On Line is often confused with Laugh{s,ing} Out Loud. If you wish to convey amusement or the fact that you are laughing, use 'heh', or 'haha'. Remeber, IRC is not AIM, nor is it SMS. See ne1, u, ur and the other AOLisms. heraus laut lachen |
| 03:23.01 | karsten | What's 84 pin memory? It's from an iMac. Is this usable in at least some PCs? |
| 03:23.13 | BlackJudas-Ballz | :o |
| 03:23.18 | suffocate | i try to run irssi |
| 03:23.20 | suffocate | it doesnt work though |
| 03:23.21 | sussudio | karsten: google google google google mushrooooom |
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| 03:23.33 | Infohawk | What gives: when I have caps locked, my keyboard map shifts to the right! Instead of an A an S is displayed. :/ |
| 03:23.39 | karsten | sussudio: snnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake. |
| 03:23.41 | kremlyn | sussudio: and there's the SNAAAKE |
| 03:23.47 | Guerin | Infohawk: that's pretty fucked |
| 03:23.47 | BlackJudas-Ballz | Wow the elitism here owns me, I guess I need to just sit here and watch u guyz ;) |
| 03:23.53 | karsten | sussudio: Did that. |
| 03:23.54 | Guerin | !badger karsten |
| 03:23.55 | dpkg | karsten: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 03:24.08 | BlackJudas-Ballz | hehe |
| 03:24.09 | Guerin | !blaireau kremlyn |
| 03:24.09 | dpkg | kremlyn: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 03:24.19 | kremlyn | rofl |
| 03:24.51 | sigjuice | Guerin: I'm trying to figure out if I can be saved the trouble of typing my password into kdm all the time. I keep seeing references to something called autologin on the web, but haven't been able to figure out what it is. |
| 03:24.59 | *** mode/#debian [+l 704] by debhelper |
| 03:25.03 | Guerin | sigjuice: oh, easy |
| 03:25.05 | Infohawk | guerin: EJSY DJPI;F O FP? GO;R S NIH TR[PTY? |
| 03:25.14 | sussudio | !broc Infohawk |
| 03:25.15 | dpkg | Infohawk: broc broc broc broc broc broc muisiriun muisiriun broc broc broc broc broc broc broc nathair oooh se's a nathaaaair! |
| 03:25.16 | Infohawk | guerin: what should I do? File a bug report? |
| 03:25.42 | Infohawk | sussudio, that's what my last message to guerin gets done when I have caps locked on! |
| 03:25.59 | sussudio | Infohawk: unless you're on AOL you have no need for capslock. |
| 03:26.03 | Infohawk | It's like a code machine or something. |
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| 03:26.27 | Guerin | sigjuice: kcontrol > system admin > login manager > enter root pass > fuck with settings |
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| 03:26.45 | Infohawk | sussudio, I'm using a document where the changes I make need to be in caps. :| Plus, on principle I want a working caps key. |
| 03:26.51 | Guerin | Infohawk: you can make a new block cypher with it, you're so lucky |
| 03:27.20 | sussudio | lucky lucky lucky |
| 03:27.31 | Infohawk | NTPV NTPV NTPV NTPV NTPV NTPV ,IODOTIOM ,IODOTIOM NTPV |
| 03:27.37 | Infohawk | anyone guess what that is? :P |
| 03:27.44 | sussudio | you on crack? |
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| 03:28.04 | Infohawk | No, my caps key on debian apparently. :( It's broc broc broc... |
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| 03:29.32 | Guerin | Infohawk: change a few settings, fuck with your keymaps, etc - see what changes |
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| 03:29.59 | kremlyn | broken broken broken broken broken FUXX0RED FUUX0RED |
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| 03:30.07 | Guerin | !meles kremlyn |
| 03:30.08 | dpkg | kremlyn: meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles BOLETUS BOLETUS meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles meles ANGUIS! ANGUIS! Anguis! ANGUIS! Ohe! Anguis est! |
| 03:30.08 | kremlyn | and there's the LAAAMER |
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| 03:30.25 | Infohawk | where' s the keymap defined again? |
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| 03:30.48 | Twitching_Fool | in the dictionary |
| 03:31.02 | Twitching_Fool | (hold on...disregard that) |
| 03:31.21 | Infohawk | XkbModel et seq. apparently |
| 03:31.51 | Infohawk | If I have a laptop, what keyboard variable should I use? pc104? |
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| 03:32.11 | loke___ | how do you pronounce debian? |
| 03:32.24 | CSMan | hey guys, what's the .deb that has opengl? |
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| 03:33.11 | McCheese | You pronounce Debian as Debian you clunk. |
| 03:33.12 | Infohawk | loke___, like deb where the e is like in 'men' and ian like eeeee-N |
| 03:33.34 | Infohawk | or D-eh-B-E-N |
| 03:33.45 | McCheese | Oh. |
| 03:33.55 | McCheese | I thought it was like Deebean. |
| 03:33.57 | Twitching_Fool | i just say debby in. |
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| 03:34.10 | Guerin | hrm |
| 03:34.15 | CSMan | opengl , anyone? |
| 03:34.20 | Infohawk | It's name after Debbie and Ian |
| 03:34.25 | McCheese | Hehe. |
| 03:34.27 | Infohawk | DebbieIan |
| 03:34.31 | Infohawk | Debian |
| 03:34.37 | lknyshov | loke___: deborah, Ian... simple enough ;-) |
| 03:34.38 | romulo | hi, my system has 2 network cards, onboard one(sis900) and a offboard one(ne2000), but the kernel found both as eth0...how i separate each one? |
| 03:34.40 | McCheese | Is that true or just used to learn it? |
| 03:34.43 | loke___ | so deb ben |
| 03:34.57 | Guerin | irssi-text in a konsole window refreshes slower than xchat, it's downright sluggish |
| 03:35.00 | CSMan | how do i know i have opengl installed? |
| 03:35.02 | Twitching_Fool | CSMan: apt-cache search opengl|less yeilded nothing usefull? |
| 03:35.05 | loke___ | or deb been |
| 03:35.09 | sussudio | it's pronounced "badgermushroom" |
| 03:35.10 | Guerin | CSMan: it's not that simple |
| 03:35.23 | Guerin | CSMan: what video card do you have |
| 03:35.24 | Guerin | ? |
| 03:35.27 | Infohawk | loke___, debeeeeee--- in |
| 03:35.37 | CSMan | Twitching_Fool: i tried and didn't find something like "opengl api" |
| 03:35.46 | CSMan | Guerin: a cirrus alpine |
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| 03:36.03 | CSMan | Guerin: when i try glxinfo X dies |
| 03:36.17 | Guerin | CSMan: does that card support opengl at all? |
| 03:36.25 | McCheese | I was barely able to run Mandrake. Debian is out of my league. |
| 03:36.27 | CSMan | Guerin: i think it does |
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| 03:36.49 | CSMan | i wanna install the lib anyhow and try |
| 03:36.58 | lknyshov | McCheese: it's all the same. |
| 03:37.14 | McCheese | Do you think I'd be able to use it? |
| 03:37.17 | Guerin | CSMan: is that an ATI rage 128 chipset? |
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| 03:37.22 | McCheese | I hear that some use it as their main OS. |
| 03:37.24 | Guerin | McCheese: can you read? |
| 03:37.26 | CSMan | Guerin: nope |
| 03:37.27 | McCheese | I sure can read. |
| 03:37.32 | Guerin | McCheese: s/some/many/ |
| 03:37.39 | Guerin | McCheese: then you can use debian |
| 03:37.45 | McCheese | Alright. |
| 03:38.02 | CSMan | Guerin: what's the opengl lib you have installed? |
| 03:38.02 | lknyshov | McCheese: www.debian.org/doc - read some manuals... you might be surprised. After all, I am a Solaris guy. ;-) |
| 03:38.03 | McCheese | I will practice with Mandrake a little more next week and then get on with Debian. |
| 03:38.04 | Guerin | McCheese: unlike maandrake, though, you will be expected to read |
| 03:38.10 | McCheese | Oh okay. |
| 03:38.14 | Guerin | CSMan: I don't have one installed |
| 03:38.22 | McCheese | I accidentally tried Debian before any others and got jacked there. |
| 03:38.29 | CSMan | Guerin: so you don't have glxinfo? |
| 03:38.35 | McCheese | I will read some manuals. |
| 03:38.38 | mintoos | hies |
| 03:38.41 | Guerin | CSMan: I don't know, I care not a whit about opengl |
| 03:38.54 | myren | McCheese: if you got it installed, well, great fortune, and welcome |
| 03:39.02 | Guerin | CSMan: but, as I think that card has an ATI chipset in it, you might try these links: |
| 03:39.05 | Guerin | !ati |
| 03:39.06 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. |
| 03:39.17 | McCheese | I did get it installed barely after weeks of effort. |
| 03:39.33 | McCheese | None of the Linuxes install on this computer. |
| 03:39.40 | McCheese | I had to install on other comp hard drive and then put it in here. |
| 03:39.45 | Guerin | McCheese: there's a nice chromey new installer - that makes things a bit easier |
| 03:39.50 | lknyshov | McCheese: that's just not true. What is so special about the system? |
| 03:39.54 | McCheese | Oh, I may try that. |
| 03:40.05 | Guerin | !tell McCheese about d-i |
| 03:40.08 | McCheese | Nothing is special about it but it crashed during Mandrake setup and Debian setup. |
| 03:40.22 | CSMan | ok, i'll try |
| 03:40.27 | lknyshov | McCheese: "crashed" means a ton of things to me. Specifically, what happened? |
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| 03:40.32 | romulo | any help?! |
| 03:40.35 | McCheese | I couldn't boot from CD-ROM first so I used disks. |
| 03:40.54 | madcooder | How do i create a dummy user?, someone just for running programs, but can't actually login?? |
| 03:40.59 | lknyshov | McCheese: OK. Floppies? Why can't you boot from CD? |
| 03:41.00 | McCheese | Debian simply stopped after it said "booting lilo.conf" or something like that. |
| 03:41.06 | McCheese | My computer doesn't boot from CD. |
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| 03:41.07 | Guerin | Madcooder: man adduser |
| 03:41.17 | McCheese | Mandrake stopped right after it said "Mandrake Linux blah blah". |
| 03:41.21 | lknyshov | Madkiss: look inside /etc/passwd at daemon. You can't login as Daemon. |
| 03:41.40 | McCheese | They work fine though if I install on the other computer and move HD in here. |
| 03:41.42 | lknyshov | McCheese: It stopped AFTER booting from CD? |
| 03:41.43 | Infohawk | McCheese, I think it's helpful to learn linux from the ground up. Mandrake hides problems. With Debian or gentoo you get dirty and learn stuff. Like now and my f'cked up keyboard. |
| 03:42.02 | McCheese | Debian stopped while still reading from floppy. |
| 03:42.05 | McCheese | That's true Infohawk. |
| 03:42.13 | McCheese | You learn much more that way and it feels good. |
| 03:42.35 | lknyshov | McCheese: is this a brand-name PC? |
| 03:42.35 | CompWizrd | i discovered if i put my caps lock on, and i'm in X, that all my characters except on the far left or far right are shifted over one. |
| 03:42.36 | CompWizrd | it's odd. |
| 03:42.41 | McCheese | It is a Compaq. |
| 03:42.43 | CSMan | ok i got it. |
| 03:42.51 | lknyshov | McCheese: Presario, deskpro? model? |
| 03:42.54 | nathan_ | exit |
| 03:42.58 | McCheese | It is a Presario 5360. |
| 03:43.04 | lknyshov | Just a sec. |
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| 03:43.46 | McCheese | I have a real urge to be in the Linux culture. |
| 03:44.47 | lknyshov | 5360 is not that old... can use up to 80gb disk. You probably have 10gb or so? |
| 03:44.49 | pm56 | i upgraded to kernel-image-2.6.6-1 and my eth0 does not seem to work. How can i disable IPV6 in the kernel |
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| 03:46.03 | McCheese | Yep, mine is 10 GB. |
| 03:46.06 | Twigman | Hi all.... <ndazza> say u need a copy of fc2 |
| 03:46.09 | ndazza | gday twig |
| 03:46.10 | Twigman | I need a copy of fc2 |
| 03:46.16 | Twigman | isn't that immature? >:-) |
| 03:46.36 | Twigman | g'day ndazza >:-) |
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| 03:46.43 | ndazza | not really if u need one u need one |
| 03:46.43 | pm56 | twigman: fc2 be very carful it is very unstable |
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| 03:47.00 | pm56 | twigman: especially if you enable selinux |
| 03:47.17 | lknyshov | McCheese: hmm Pentium II? |
| 03:47.24 | McCheese | It is an AMD K6-2. |
| 03:47.38 | lknyshov | McCheese: ah, k6-2 400? |
| 03:47.40 | Twigman | I'm not going to enable selinux hehe.. I read some posts.. |
| 03:48.01 | Twigman | but naah.. ndazza is giving me a copy this afternoon so it's all good.. |
| 03:48.02 | McCheese | It is a 450 Mhz. |
| 03:48.26 | ndazza | Twigman, glad to keep the world running... |
| 03:48.39 | lknyshov | McCheese: Good little system, should work fine. I am pretty sure it can boot from a CD though. You just need to enable that in the BIOS. |
| 03:48.53 | McCheese | No, I am sure it can't boot from CD. |
| 03:48.54 | McCheese | I wish it did. |
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| 03:49.14 | Twigman | ndazza: no no.. you are supposed to panic ... |
| 03:49.28 | pm56 | i upgraded to kernel-image-2.6.6-1 and my eth0 does not seem to work. How can i disable IPV6 ??? |
| 03:49.48 | lknyshov | McCheese: well, if you flashed the BIOS it would. Your motherboard is basically Gigabyte GA-5SMM |
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| 03:49.59 | ndazza | Twigman i'll panic when u install debian - something will be wrong then! |
| 03:50.03 | McCheese | What do you mean by flash the BIOS? |
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| 03:50.10 | lknyshov | McCheese: Can you get into the BIOS to begin with? |
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| 03:50.17 | lknyshov | Nevermind my flashing comment. |
| 03:50.18 | McCheese | Nah. |
| 03:50.23 | McCheese | Oh, that's a good point. |
| 03:50.27 | lknyshov | McCheese: are you on that system? |
| 03:50.31 | McCheese | The other comp lets me get into BIOS. |
| 03:50.31 | McCheese | Yeah. |
| 03:50.37 | McCheese | This comp hides it from me. |
| 03:50.45 | Twigman | ndazza: haha.. well.. brace yourself.. I have a spare pc.. |
| 03:50.46 | lknyshov | McCheese: can you reboot it while we are talking here? |
| 03:50.50 | McCheese | Nah. |
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| 03:50.56 | McCheese | I'm on the 450. |
| 03:50.56 | Twigman | aargh damn.. no I don't.. I have to rip the hdd out... |
| 03:51.20 | lknyshov | McCheese: let me look up the BIOS combination for that system. it sounds like your floppy drive died. |
| 03:51.27 | ndazza | Twigman, take it to matt day's work, he'll help u out |
| 03:51.34 | McCheese | Mm? |
| 03:51.39 | McCheese | My floppy drive works fine? |
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| 03:52.22 | Twigman | ndazza: naa.. I just need to get a new hdd for the spare pc and I'll try it then.. I have to install slackware one of these days aswell.. |
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| 03:52.31 | lknyshov | McCheese: it may work fine, but it crashes while installing linux does it not?:) |
| 03:52.53 | lknyshov | McCheese: anyway, you need to get into bios. That's a USB-enabled computer, I am sure it can boot from CD |
| 03:53.04 | ndazza | Twigman, yeah me too. tis cool, i just wanna see u jibbin matt |
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| 03:53.16 | McCheese | Yeah, it has USB. |
| 03:53.21 | lknyshov | My way of getting into BIOS is to reboot a system and generate a keyboard error, and it works most of the time. |
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| 03:53.31 | McCheese | Oh, wait, there is like a minimal BIOS. |
| 03:53.35 | McCheese | I'm not sure why I didn't say that. |
| 03:53.42 | McCheese | I can't boot from CD though in there. |
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| 03:54.24 | lknyshov | McCheese: what are your boot options? |
| 03:54.27 | Twigman | I think you need to stop picking on matt so much.. |
| 03:54.38 | McCheese | I'm drawing a blank right now. |
| 03:54.42 | McCheese | Let me restart and come back? |
| 03:54.48 | lknyshov | McCheese: yeah please. |
| 03:54.58 | pm56 | anybody running kernel-2.6.6-1 on debian |
| 03:55.03 | McCheese | Cool. |
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| 03:56.26 | MrBIOS | hey folks, has anyone here released any UNOFFICIAL xorg packages? |
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| 03:57.08 | Twigman | gotta go ppl.. washing to hang out.. |
| 03:57.10 | pm56 | i upgraded to kernel-image-2.6.6-1 and my eth0 does not seem to work. How can i disable IPV6 ?? |
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| 03:57.16 | xtapo | Um, strange problem. My sound dosn't work under kernel 2.6, even though the modules are loaded. But if I run Starcraft under Wine, it's sound works, then when I quit it it works through the whole system till I reboot. |
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| 03:57.39 | xtapo | Why is starcraft fixing my computer? |
| 03:57.51 | Penix | pm56: isn't ipv6 a module in the stock kernels? just don't load it |
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| 03:58.41 | unique | how can i secure the .bash_history so it will still work :b but the user be unable to delete it? |
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| 03:58.48 | programmer90 | Hey i have both my cdroms on my desktop anbd they both work except when i append="hdc = ide-scsi" in lilo.conf i get bad filesystem or too many mounted drives Could this inbeed be the device in which you need ide-scsi? |
| 03:59.04 | programmer90 | on my cd-r drive and my nomral cd rom too |
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| 03:59.40 | Infohawk | Who started www.debianhelp.org? Anyone from IRC? |
| 03:59.43 | Infohawk | mwilson perhaps? |
| 03:59.51 | Penix | heh |
| 03:59.55 | hex|zzz | the tcp/ip stack is dual mode ipv4 & ipv6. you don't need to pick one or t'other |
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| 03:59.58 | Penix | programmer90: dmesg |grep hd and find out which one it is |
| 04:00.15 | programmer90 | ok |
| 04:00.34 | hex|zzz | i.e. inet addr:81.3.104.91 inet6 addr: 2002:5103:6842:0:20a:48ff:fe00:ca28/64 Scope:Global |
| 04:01.06 | Penix | hex|zzz: but you do need to pick whether you want to actually have ipv6 support in your kernel |
| 04:01.22 | hex|zzz | yeah, but kernel-image-2.6.6-1 has both in it |
| 04:01.32 | Penix | so, it's built in with stock kernels then? |
| 04:01.37 | pm56 | hex|zzz: understand about the ipv6 address, but it seems i used the kernel image and what i am trying to do is not load the kernel module at all. |
| 04:01.52 | hex|zzz | i think the kernel images on the repositories are compiled with absolutely everything in |
| 04:01.55 | Penix | pm56: how is ipv6 support causing you trouble? |
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| 04:03.07 | pm56 | penix: when i boot i do not get a dhcp address. Also, it seems my router does not work with ipv6 address |
| 04:03.48 | maher | pm56: there is some other error - look for that |
| 04:03.53 | Penix | pm56: then your router should be ignoring ipv6 |
| 04:04.21 | hex|zzz | pm56, what does running dhclient say? |
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| 04:04.43 | pm56 | Penix & hex|zzz: hmmm... |
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| 04:05.13 | pm56 | Penix & hex|zzz: let me reboot the machine.... |
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| 04:05.26 | maher | pm56: look in the logs |
| 04:05.38 | hex|zzz | why not run dhclient? |
| 04:05.39 | McCheese | Man, I just booted from CD just fine. |
| 04:06.01 | McCheese | I don't know why I spent weeks trying to work it through floppies after I thought CD boot wasn't working. |
| 04:06.14 | McCheese | Thanks anyway for the help. |
| 04:06.24 | lknyshov | McCheese: welcome aboard... now let's work on something more fun ;-) |
| 04:06.40 | McCheese | I'll put the past behind. |
| 04:06.41 | pm56 | i am going to look into the logs and run dhclient....also |
| 04:06.46 | McCheese | I did have a question though. |
| 04:07.26 | McCheese | Do you think that the efficiency of Debian is worth the time spent configuring and setting it up? |
| 04:07.50 | Penix | McCheese: yes |
| 04:07.54 | McCheese | Alright. |
| 04:07.57 | McCheese | That was my main concern. |
| 04:08.13 | lknyshov | McCheese: yeah. I am building a morphix derivative (morphix is derived from knoppix which is derived from Debian), and it's quite easy to do compared to other options. |
| 04:08.20 | McCheese | Oh. |
| 04:08.37 | McCheese | Interesting. |
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| 04:08.54 | McCheese | I would like to make Debian my day-to-day computer. |
| 04:08.59 | lknyshov | debian packaging system simply shines compared to other options, and that was my top priority. |
| 04:09.05 | McCheese | I can't start the setup process today though. |
| 04:09.10 | McCheese | I will come back in a few days okay? |
| 04:09.22 | McCheese | Oh, I have heard about the packaging system. |
| 04:09.29 | McCheese | It is very nice and organized. |
| 04:09.35 | lknyshov | You can try. but there is nothing wrong with simply downloading a few ISOs from www.debian.org/cd |
| 04:09.36 | sussudio | [06:08:04] < Penix> McCheese: yes |
| 04:09.40 | sussudio | that's just wrong |
| 04:09.55 | pm56 | maher, hex|zzz, Penix: dhclient shows: No DHCPOFFERS recieved |
| 04:09.59 | McCheese | I havd CD 1. |
| 04:10.01 | McCheese | I will get the others. |
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| 04:10.14 | lknyshov | McCheese: if you have a fast network connection, you don't have to. |
| 04:10.26 | McCheese | Oh. |
| 04:10.31 | dendrite | McCheese: CD 1 is enough, apt-get will fetch the rest across the 'net as needed. |
| 04:10.32 | McCheese | Nevermind then. |
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| 04:10.35 | sussudio | what do they call a Penix McCheese in France? |
| 04:10.36 | pm56 | maher, hex|zzz, Penix: but when i run ifconfig i see, lo and sit0 |
| 04:10.41 | McCheese | I must ask, does Debian have a GUI to use? |
| 04:10.47 | lknyshov | Of course. |
| 04:10.52 | maher | pm56: do /etc/init.d/networking restart and see why eth0 isn't getting ipv4 |
| 04:10.53 | pm56 | maher, hex|zzz, Penix: any ideas |
| 04:10.56 | McCheese | Okay, cool. |
| 04:10.56 | unique | how can i secure the .bash_history so it will still work but the user be unable to delete it? |
| 04:11.01 | McCheese | What is it called? |
| 04:11.04 | lknyshov | I prefer KDE, others like GNOME. In your case, a lighter one like XFCE should be used. |
| 04:11.08 | McCheese | Oh. |
| 04:11.12 | McCheese | It is the same as Mandrake eh? |
| 04:11.27 | lknyshov | McCheese: they are all the same thing, as I said in the beginning ;-) |
| 04:11.27 | McCheese | KDE and Gnome worked fine on this. |
| 04:11.31 | McCheese | Alright, sorry. |
| 04:11.32 | dendrite | McCheese: The basic GUI server is called X, or X Window System. On top of that there are a lot of choices. |
| 04:11.43 | McCheese | Alright, cool. I have mastered some concepts. |
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| 04:12.09 | McCheese | I've done over 4 hours of practice with VI. I can edit files like bam. |
| 04:12.17 | xtapo | How do I remove a kernel module using modprobe? |
| 04:12.23 | lknyshov | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst - read this |
| 04:12.35 | McCheese | I will read that now. |
| 04:12.36 | dendrite | xtapo: rmmod? |
| 04:12.36 | lknyshov | vi is good. |
| 04:12.38 | hex|zzz | rmmod |
| 04:12.42 | McCheese | Cool. |
| 04:12.48 | pm56 | maher, hex|zzz, Penix: networking restart shows: sit0 unknown hardware address type 776 and then eth0: Error while getting interface flags: No such device. and Bing socket to interface: No such device |
| 04:12.49 | lknyshov | pico is easier ;-) |
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| 04:13.03 | hex|zzz | pico's also not in debian |
| 04:13.06 | lknyshov | to get pico, you install the pine package. |
| 04:13.10 | Penix | no |
| 04:13.12 | lknyshov | is pine not in deb? |
| 04:13.13 | Penix | you install nano |
| 04:13.14 | maher | pm56: is your nic module loading ok |
| 04:13.30 | ndazza | lknyshov, pine is non-free, mutt is a replacement |
| 04:13.57 | lknyshov | ndazza: ah, of course |
| 04:14.05 | dendrite | lknyshov: Pine is certainly available, it's just not free enough to be distributed as part of Debian. |
| 04:14.10 | pm56 | maher: dont know. hold on, i need to know which card it is.... |
| 04:14.12 | Penix | sussudio: a quarter penixer? |
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| 04:14.34 | ndazza | lknyshov, from what i've heard, you can get the source thru the repositories and compile pine yourself |
| 04:14.37 | arkane | hi all |
| 04:14.42 | lknyshov | shows my age... spent too much time in Solaris |
| 04:14.51 | McCheese | What are the speeds of the high-end computers you guys use Debian on? |
| 04:14.54 | lknyshov | ndazza: I compiled it all too many times before |
| 04:14.57 | sussudio | Penix: i'm afraid to ask if they supersize it |
| 04:15.05 | Penix | heh |
| 04:15.08 | ndazza | McCheese, 2ghz amd :p |
| 04:15.13 | McCheese | Oh nice. |
| 04:15.21 | lknyshov | 32-way unisys 7000... nah |
| 04:15.22 | lknyshov | lol |
| 04:15.27 | arkane | i was wondering, is there a Vector Based Graphic Program for linux, kind of photoshop is to gimp like Freehand is to ??? |
| 04:15.33 | lknyshov | There is a z-series port of deb, right? |
| 04:15.37 | McCheese | It probably runs smoothly on that huh. |
| 04:15.40 | pm56 | maher: cannot open my box at this time. I do an lsmod i might have a 3com or linksys card. |
| 04:15.54 | xtapo | I'm having a really, really strange problem where I have no sound unless Starcraft is run. How can I check my current volume via command line? (OSS) |
| 04:16.02 | maher | arkane: xfig karbon/kontour sodipodi sketch |
| 04:16.12 | McCheese | I play Starcraft everyday! |
| 04:16.19 | arkane | thanks |
| 04:16.22 | Penix | !test |
| 04:16.22 | dpkg | No, penix, you're not online any more. |
| 04:16.23 | ndazza | arkane, openoffice :) |
| 04:16.32 | maher | pm56: lscpi |
| 04:16.37 | xtapo | Heh, well I need to for my sound to work under 2.6 :-P |
| 04:16.55 | pm56 | maher: 3com all right |
| 04:16.58 | McCheese | Does SC run fine in Debian xtapo? |
| 04:17.06 | Penix | xtapo: apt-get install aumix |
| 04:17.06 | maher | pm56: is the module mloaded |
| 04:17.17 | eccentric | is it just me, or is the debian.org website down? |
| 04:17.27 | McCheese | I am not being able to get on too eccentric! |
| 04:17.31 | maher | eccentric: its just you |
| 04:17.38 | xtapo | McCheese: Absolutely flawless, except the main menu is a little slow unless you play the intro movie. |
| 04:17.39 | pm56 | maher: when i do an lsmod | grep mloaded then i get nothing |
| 04:17.50 | McCheese | Oh, cool man. |
| 04:17.54 | maher | pm56: try modprobe foo |
| 04:17.55 | McCheese | Do you have to use some emulator thing? |
| 04:18.05 | xtapo | McCheese: apt-get install wine |
| 04:18.10 | McCheese | Oh. |
| 04:18.13 | McCheese | Alright. |
| 04:18.14 | pm56 | maher: foo ...??? |
| 04:18.30 | maher | pm56: replace foo with the name of the module for your nic |
| 04:18.30 | McCheese | Does that take more processor than if run on a different OS without Wine? |
| 04:18.52 | dendrite | McCheese: No. WINE is not a VM, it's a set of libs. |
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| 04:19.14 | McCheese | Oh. |
| 04:19.23 | McCheese | I didn't know that. Thanks for explaining. |
| 04:19.24 | dendrite | McCheese: So WINE just provides WIN32 syscalls. |
| 04:19.29 | McCheese | Oh cool. |
| 04:19.40 | McCheese | SC is made for Windows huh. |
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| 04:19.45 | hawkeey | hi |
| 04:20.01 | dendrite | McCheese: WINE is far from perfect however, especially when you realize that there are a lot of poorly written and badly behaved windows programs out there. |
| 04:20.03 | lknyshov | www.winehq.com - lots of info |
| 04:20.12 | McCheese | Oh. |
| 04:20.20 | hex|zzz | that said it's a damn good start |
| 04:20.42 | hawkeey | did www.debian.org go down? |
| 04:20.48 | pm56 | maher: since i don't know the name of the module i cannot do the modprobe. I have 3com 3c905B ethernet controller |
| 04:20.51 | eccentric | hawkeey: it would seem that way |
| 04:20.57 | hex|zzz | and it's certainly less of a pain than rebooting to a windows partition just to play a game |
| 04:21.00 | Guerin | pm56: use modconf |
| 04:21.02 | dendrite | hex|zzz: Certainly. Of course it's better when one can just use Linux software. :-) |
| 04:21.03 | maher | pm56: well find out what module you need |
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| 04:21.22 | Guerin | pm56: there's a list of them in the kernel/net section |
| 04:21.24 | hawkeey | I hope it's just maintainence, not another compromise |
| 04:21.44 | hex|zzz | dendrite: directhex@drusilla:/usr/local/games/ut2004$ |
| 04:21.53 | hawkeey | My department Unix admins are starting to get sick of Debian :-( |
| 04:21.54 | Guerin | hawkeey: gnome.org and gimp.org were down yesterday too |
| 04:21.55 | lknyshov | hawkeey: confirmed it's dead |
| 04:22.05 | Guerin | hawkeey: what would they prefer |
| 04:22.06 | Guerin | ? |
| 04:22.11 | lknyshov | was reading some docs... |
| 04:22.19 | hex|zzz | dependancy errors, Guerin |
| 04:22.23 | McCheese | Do people get source code instead of the binary install files so they can edit them before they compile? |
| 04:22.29 | starseed | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040528/photos_wl_afp/040528144559_xu69voi7_photo0 --- check out that photo |
| 04:22.32 | Guerin | hex|zzz: apparently so... |
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| 04:22.46 | hawkeey | gimp.org still seems to be down |
| 04:22.51 | Penix | McCheese: if you want to |
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| 04:22.58 | hex|zzz | i would actually soil myself if i tried to cross that bridge |
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| 04:23.04 | starseed | hehe |
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| 04:23.04 | McCheese | Why else would people download source code and compile? |
| 04:23.09 | dendrite | McCheese: There are LOTS of reasons to get source, including just being able to look at it and understand how it works, and maybe improve it. |
| 04:23.13 | McCheese | Oh. |
| 04:23.19 | McCheese | Yeah. |
| 04:23.22 | starseed | yah, you could parachute off that thing :) |
| 04:23.31 | hex|zzz | or at the very least change it to the programs calls itself "Badger MushroomSnake" for fun |
| 04:23.54 | S2K | firefox has an extension to make it randomly name itself |
| 04:24.05 | hex|zzz | yes i know ;) |
| 04:24.05 | jarango | Can automount be configured to make unmounted directories visible ? |
| 04:24.21 | hex|zzz | how so? |
| 04:24.25 | Penix | jarango: what? |
| 04:24.27 | hex|zzz | what's to show, if it's not mounted? |
| 04:24.27 | Guerin | #include badger.h |
| 04:24.31 | rpetre | jarango, use symlinks ;) |
| 04:24.34 | McCheese | I've seen that badger thing. |
| 04:24.49 | hex|zzz | #declare snake "ARGH!" |
| 04:24.52 | jarango | rpetre: symlinks how ? |
| 04:25.13 | S2K | i can't seem to make my wireless card run on linux |
| 04:25.15 | McCheese | string mushroom=expands |
| 04:25.16 | McCheese | ! |
| 04:25.23 | jarango | Penix: automount hides umounted devices .... |
| 04:25.26 | pm56 | maher: it is 3c509.ko in the /lib/modules/2.6.6-1-686/kernel/drivers/net |
| 04:25.27 | maher | S2K: do you know what driver it needs |
| 04:25.38 | rpetre | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.45 | pm56 | maher: yep |
| 04:25.47 | maher | pm56: what happens when you modprobe 3c509 |
| 04:25.52 | rpetre | and go the /mnt way |
| 04:26.02 | S2K | maher: err, no. but i can tell you the exact model # |
| 04:26.09 | pm56 | maher: nothing |
| 04:26.14 | Guerin | S2K: use modconf and BROWSE |
| 04:26.28 | maher | S2K: look at http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/ |
| 04:26.32 | Guerin | pm56: if your card is, in fact, a 3c509, then that is the right module |
| 04:26.35 | S2K | didnt see anything for the driver |
| 04:26.58 | maher | pm56: look in the logs |
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| 04:27.30 | pm56 | maher: dmesg log |
| 04:27.42 | maher | pm56: no kern.log or syslog |
| 04:27.44 | pm56 | maher: messages |
| 04:27.50 | pm56 | maher: oh |
| 04:27.57 | McCheese | I will be back in 3 or 4 days to set up Debian. |
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| 04:27.59 | jarango | rpetre: do you mean just create a symlink to each mount point somewhere else ? |
| 04:27.59 | McCheese | Adios for now. |
| 04:28.19 | rpetre | jarango, yes |
| 04:28.22 | S2K | a proxim orinoco client silver 802.11b wifi pcmcia card, Agere Systems 0110 |
| 04:28.22 | rpetre | i do that |
| 04:28.46 | maher | S2K: do you have an orinoco driver for your kernel? |
| 04:28.53 | sussudio | "A 50-year-old Zambian man has hanged himself after his wife found him having sex with a hen, police said Friday." |
| 04:28.56 | sussudio | chickenlover! |
| 04:29.03 | jarango | rpetre: thanks |
| 04:29.21 | S2K | yes |
| 04:29.22 | dendrite | henpecked |
| 04:29.30 | S2K | but orinoco_cs doesn't seem to work |
| 04:29.43 | sussudio | mc fugnugget |
| 04:29.45 | maher | S2K: what do you mean doesn't work |
| 04:30.08 | S2K | i don't think it recognizes the card, it just sits there |
| 04:30.15 | maher | S2K: what error do you get |
| 04:30.38 | S2K | none, it's just the normal bash prompt after that |
| 04:30.57 | maher | S2K: it probably worked - look in the logs - run iwconfig |
| 04:30.59 | pm56 | maher: i see a IPV6 over IPV4 tunneling driver.....in kern.log |
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| 04:31.38 | S2K | i'll try that... let me reboot into debian - i had to try windows to see if the card was broken, which it isn't |
| 04:31.40 | S2K | brb |
| 04:31.43 | maher | pm56: does it say stauff about loading the driver? |
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| 04:32.38 | pm56 | maher: no |
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| 04:32.47 | pm56 | maher: nope, no loading driver |
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| 04:32.56 | maher | pm56: do lsmod - is the driver loaded? |
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| 04:33.22 | MrBIOS | what's the name of the utility to create a faux debian package for the purposes of dependency fulfillment? |
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| 04:33.40 | pm56 | maher: says also: PIIX4: not 100%% native mode: will probe irqs later |
| 04:33.43 | maher | MrBIOS: equivs' |
| 04:34.05 | rpetre | pm56: lsmod and lspci are my friends friends, but you can use them, too ;) |
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| 04:34.18 | maher | pm56: ok - rmmod driver modprobe driver - does it say something about eth0 |
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| 04:34.43 | SirDibos | does Debian have a special builtin way to enable NAT? I have two ethernet cards, one internal, the other external, DHCP server is running correctly, but packets aren't being routed. |
| 04:34.59 | SirDibos | do I need to make a script to run some special commands to enable NAT when my internal interface is brought up? |
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| 04:35.08 | Twitching_Fool | apt-get install ipmasq did it for me |
| 04:35.41 | SirDibos | ipmasq, eh? I'm using kernel 2.6.6 |
| 04:35.41 | pm56 | maher: rmmod 3c509 and modprobe 3c509 both bring be back to the prompt without any output |
| 04:35.57 | maher | pm56: they don't output stuff they write to logs |
| 04:36.21 | pm56 | maher: hmm...let me tail logs... |
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| 04:37.16 | dendrite | SirDibos: As far as I know, Debian doesn't have a "special builtin" way to enable NAT -- I just created a script to set up iptables rules. |
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| 04:38.41 | SirDibos | dendrite: that is what I used to do too. I'm going to try the "ipmasq" package right now and see what happens. |
| 04:38.47 | pm56 | maher: nope nothing on syslog and kern.log |
| 04:39.18 | maher | pm56: ok - what does ifup eth0 say |
| 04:40.22 | pm56 | maher: ifup eth0: .... eth0: Error while getting interface flags: No such device |
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| 04:40.31 | maher | pm56: |
| 04:40.54 | Infohawk | Anyone tried www.debianhelp.org? |
| 04:41.11 | maher | pm56: ok loading the nic modules shoud say something - like setting up eth0 - if that dosn't work then there is a problem with themodule/kernel |
| 04:41.23 | cpbell | does anyone know of a good overview of how to configure OpenLDAP to work with PAM to serve up posixAccount information? |
| 04:41.38 | pm56 | maher: you are right?? Let me try to load the module 3c509 |
| 04:41.57 | bob2 | SirDibos: the ipmasq package will enable it |
| 04:42.21 | bob2 | SirDibos: shorewall is another option, which handles complex setups FAR easier than ipmasq does. |
| 04:42.25 | bob2 | cpbell: padl.com, iirc |
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| 04:43.25 | pm56 | maher: for loading a module i use: insmod |
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| 04:43.37 | pm56 | maher: for loading a module i use: insmod foo |
| 04:43.51 | rpetre | pm56 : in cases like this, i usually set up a script that modprobes everything, then i check lsmod to see which one is used :) |
| 04:43.58 | rpetre | lame, but it works |
| 04:44.21 | dendrite | rpetre: Whoa... =8-o |
| 04:44.43 | rpetre | i said that too, the first time i saw it |
| 04:44.57 | rpetre | but saved ma a lot of time afterwards |
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| 04:45.19 | S2K | hello, i back |
| 04:45.20 | pm56 | maher: i did , lsmod 3c509 and then running lsmod i see 3c509 14100 used by 0 |
| 04:45.42 | maher | pm56: you know - whay don't you just downgrade to a kernel that works |
| 04:45.42 | S2K | maher: card don't seem to work with orinoco_cs |
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| 04:45.59 | maher | S2K: what does not workl mean |
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| 04:47.21 | S2K | as in, when i unplug the ethernet card to make it use the card instead, nada happens |
| 04:47.28 | S2K | then again, modprobe may be broken... |
| 04:47.55 | maher | S2K: do the modules load - what does it say in the logs - what does iwconfig say |
| 04:48.01 | S2K | let me see |
| 04:48.31 | S2K | lo no wireless extensions. |
| 04:48.31 | S2K | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 04:48.49 | maher | S2K: what does it say in the logs when you load the modules |
| 04:48.54 | sussudio | !tell S2K about flood |
| 04:48.54 | stew | S2K: it says eth0 twice? |
| 04:48.59 | pm56 | maher: thank for all the patience. Will sit down and figure it out now. I think you pointed me in the right direction. |
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| 04:49.41 | arkane | kde 3.2.2 or Gnome 2.6 ?? |
| 04:49.52 | arkane | gnome has gtk+ |
| 04:49.54 | S2K | kde is more tasty |
| 04:50.05 | arkane | yup i figured as much |
| 04:50.30 | arkane | is there a way top take a debian 3.0 install to kernel 2.6 and kde 3.2.2 ? |
| 04:50.44 | S2K | top take? |
| 04:51.01 | arkane | to take / to make |
| 04:51.18 | S2K | sure |
| 04:51.24 | S2K | i just did that myself a few weeks ago |
| 04:51.33 | arkane | ok, what did you do? |
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| 04:52.04 | S2K | apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 04:52.21 | S2K | find the image you want then do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.x |
| 04:52.35 | S2K | and to upgrade kde... |
| 04:52.36 | dendrite | S2K: 2.6 is in woody? |
| 04:52.47 | S2K | no idea, i'm on unstable |
| 04:53.27 | arkane | woody dont have 2.6 |
| 04:53.27 | dendrite | arkane: S2K's procedure involves moving from 3.0 to at least testing, if not unstable. |
| 04:53.38 | arkane | i c |
| 04:53.43 | S2K | well, i like being unstable |
| 04:53.50 | dendrite | arkane: I'm pretty sure there are web pages that go over what is needed. |
| 04:53.50 | arkane | any idea when sarge is gonna be stable? |
| 04:53.57 | S2K | i'd probably be on experimental if i wasn't so afraid of breaking everything |
| 04:53.59 | keypulse | i'm trying to get a higher resolution on this video card. i know it's capable of at least 1280x1024, but the highest i can seem to get it, even with editing XF86Config-4 is 1024x768; using nvidia vanta card, any ideas? |
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| 04:54.36 | coolnewbie | hi i would like to know whether the latest unofficoal iso of debian testing uses 2.6 kernel |
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| 04:54.45 | dendrite | arkane: Why do you want 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:54.45 | S2K | maher: you mean the logs you get from dmesg, or elsewhere? |
| 04:54.49 | imperfect- | Anyoneknow why ftpd would be saying ftpd mmap(0): Illegal seek |
| 04:55.03 | dendrite | arkane: There are woody backports of kde, iirc. |
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| 04:55.04 | maher | S2K: look in kern.log and syslog |
| 04:55.08 | S2K | ok |
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| 04:55.34 | mp3j | hello guys |
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| 04:55.46 | mp3j | is the www.debian.org down? |
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| 04:56.18 | nornagon | Hi all |
| 04:56.27 | nornagon | Having trouble with Ogle :/ |
| 04:56.55 | mp3j | is the www.debian.org down? |
| 04:57.37 | coolnewbie | hi i would like to know whether the latest unofficoal iso of debian testing uses 2.6 kernel |
| 04:58.01 | mp3j | walke up you helpers |
| 04:58.04 | S2K | mp3j: i either cannot reach www.debian.org or it is slow |
| 04:58.15 | mp3j | thanks |
| 04:58.43 | mp3j | anyother good tutorial on debian |
| 04:58.47 | S2K | umm... i don't really know where the log files go |
| 04:58.54 | S2K | yeah... |
| 04:58.56 | somiaj | S2K: /var/log |
| 04:59.01 | S2K | if i can dig up the bookmark... |
| 04:59.13 | mp3j | please... |
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| 04:59.43 | nornagon | Can anyone tell why multimedia runs so SLOW?! |
| 04:59.45 | mp3j | lol |
| 04:59.59 | somiaj | coolnewbie: I belive there is an option to install with a 2.6 kernel with the new debian isntaller. |
| 05:00.54 | somiaj | nornagon: it runs fine for me, what graphics card do you have? |
| 05:00.56 | S2K | nornagon: multimedia skips several tens/hundreds of frames for me in xine, unless i'm running fluxbox... |
| 05:01.00 | nornagon | GeForce 4 |
| 05:01.17 | somiaj | nornagon: what video driver are you using for X? |
| 05:01.25 | nornagon | the non-free nvidia one |
| 05:01.30 | S2K | mp3j: http://debguide.sarovar.org/en/ |
| 05:01.30 | mp3j | how to run windows programs in debian? |
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| 05:01.40 | nornagon | google wine linux |
| 05:01.43 | airmikey_ | vmware |
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| 05:01.46 | somiaj | mp3j: you could look into wine, winex, or crossover office |
| 05:01.47 | S2K | mp3j: wine, winex, crossoveroffice |
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| 05:01.53 | nornagon | or vmware |
| 05:02.12 | liu7 | what is qemu |
| 05:02.15 | somiaj | nornagon: do you have glx working correctly....what kinda of framerate does glxgears give you |
| 05:02.18 | airmikey_ | vmware is much much better |
| 05:02.19 | S2K | or bochs, maybe? dosbox, dosemu |
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| 05:02.31 | dendrite | mp3j: What programs are you trying to run? |
| 05:02.44 | VChriZZ | uhm, how do i install debian on a windows-xp-box where i have no floppy, cdrom is broken? i thought about todo a netinstall or something similar... :) |
| 05:02.47 | florist | nornagon: do you have mtrr enabled in your kernel |
| 05:03.00 | keypulse | i'm trying to get a higher resolution on this video card. i know it's capable of at least 1280x1024, but the highest i can seem to get it, even with editing XF86Config-4 is 1024x768; using nvidia vanta card, any ideas? |
| 05:03.05 | nornagon | somiaj: not sure |
| 05:03.06 | mp3j | musicmatch jukebox |
| 05:03.21 | airmikey_ | u cant |
| 05:03.27 | mp3j | y not? |
| 05:03.29 | nornagon | florist: not sure |
| 05:03.29 | S2K | maher: what do you want me to tell you from my syslog or kern.log ? |
| 05:03.30 | somiaj | nornagon: well run the command 'glxgears' my guess is you have something wrong with your video driver set up in X |
| 05:03.34 | knix | is people down? |
| 05:03.35 | nornagon | ok |
| 05:03.36 | dan2 | bob2: wb |
| 05:03.38 | dendrite | mp3j: I'd give WINE a try first. |
| 05:03.48 | nornagon | somiaj: pretty crappy |
| 05:03.55 | VChriZZ | keypulse: you have to set the right horicontal hz and vertial hz for your resolution |
| 05:03.55 | mp3j | ok |
| 05:04.00 | S2K | mp3j: there are plenty of good multimedia apps in linux... |
| 05:04.06 | mp3j | ok |
| 05:04.25 | florist | nornagon - do glxgears |grep -i rendering |
| 05:04.26 | S2K | unless you're really attached to musicmatch |
| 05:04.29 | nornagon | oh |
| 05:04.29 | nornagon | ok |
| 05:04.45 | florist | nornagon sorry glxinfo |
| 05:04.49 | nornagon | 6310 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1262.000 FPS |
| 05:04.49 | nornagon | 3477 frames in 5.0 seconds = 695.400 FPS |
| 05:04.49 | nornagon | 3532 frames in 5.0 seconds = 706.400 FPS |
| 05:04.51 | somiaj | keypulse: could be a problem with the monintor settings in your XF86Config-4 file, so it doen't think it can run that high of resolution, you could also check out the xlog in /var/log to see why it sin't liking the higher resolutions |
| 05:04.52 | nornagon | ok |
| 05:04.58 | mp3j | im really attached to mmjb |
| 05:04.58 | florist | nornagon - not glxgears... |
| 05:05.09 | nornagon | ok |
| 05:05.13 | nornagon | I did glxinfo |
| 05:05.15 | keypulse | ok, thanks both of you |
| 05:05.15 | nornagon | now? |
| 05:05.26 | SirDibos | bob2: seems like ipmasq package doesn't allow you to configure the EXTERNAL and INTERNAL ethernet interface variables. |
| 05:05.26 | somiaj | nornagon: yea try glxinfo...that seems slow for a geforce4 (I get about 3500fps) |
| 05:05.29 | nornagon | name of display: :0.0 |
| 05:05.29 | nornagon | display: :0 screen: 0 |
| 05:05.29 | nornagon | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 05:05.54 | florist | nornagon - do u've mtrr enabled in ur kernel? /proc/mtrr? |
| 05:06.00 | nornagon | i dunno |
| 05:06.02 | nornagon | I'll look |
| 05:06.03 | keypulse | one more question, i have z axis mapping on my mouse for my scroll wheel, but when i scroll up one notch the mouse cursor flies way up to the top of the screen, same thing for down |
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| 05:06.37 | *** topic/#debian is READ THE FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki | READ THE BTS (/msg dpkg bts) | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg gnome settings daemon, busted numpad? #251197, downgrade ahoy! smbd won't start? see bug #250515 | /msg dpkg gnome2.6 | Knoppix IS NOT Debian! |
| 05:06.42 | bob2 | !+rube goldberg install |
| 05:06.42 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 05:06.52 | nornagon | lol |
| 05:06.55 | dan2 | bob2: my dad's friend is mailing me a laptop for free |
| 05:06.58 | mp3j | !lol |
| 05:06.58 | dpkg | LOL or Lamer On Line is often confused with Laugh{s,ing} Out Loud. If you wish to convey amusement or the fact that you are laughing, use 'heh', or 'haha'. Remeber, IRC is not AIM, nor is it SMS. See ne1, u, ur and the other AOLisms. heraus laut lachen |
