| 00:00.13 | *** part/#debian norton__ (~norton@35.ppp139.rsd.worldonline.se) |
| 00:00.17 | gaimer | i thought the winvnc program will just display whatever is running on the remote desktop |
| 00:00.29 | Octalthorpe | jonix : Did it run lilo for you? I think you have to force lilo to reload the config before you reboot or something. I dunno. I use GRUB. |
| 00:00.33 | tcsetattr | gaimer, were you in GNOME when you started the vncserver? |
| 00:00.36 | gaimer | yea |
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| 00:01.09 | bitwise | these name squatters need taken out into a dark area and beaten |
| 00:01.11 | Octalthorpe | Is there any way to change the order ALSA reads sound cards in? |
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| 00:01.43 | bitwise | there are hundreds of thousands of domain names , just refereing searches to some stupid marketing/advertising topsite , BULLSHIT |
| 00:02.01 | _joey | is there a way to install irssi locally on Debian using binary? |
| 00:02.02 | xam- | gaimer: no. x0rfbserver from rfb does that |
| 00:02.07 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 00:02.08 | gaimer | what? |
| 00:02.10 | *** mode/#debian [+q _joey!*@*] by caphuso |
| 00:02.12 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 00:02.15 | caphuso | _joey: surprise |
| 00:02.18 | Octalthorpe | _joey : Like dpkg -i irrsi<blahblahblah>.deb? |
| 00:02.28 | xam- | gaimer: lte you access your current x session from remote |
| 00:02.32 | RedEyess | tcsetattr: do you have time to help me with module inserts? |
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| 00:02.37 | Octalthorpe | What does +q do? |
| 00:02.41 | PapyRene | caphuso, rich_: try this eval example => F=Field; N=1; C=content; eval "$F$N=$C$N"; echo Field1=$Field1 ==> understand? |
| 00:02.41 | GCBirzan | Quiet. |
| 00:02.42 | xeon_ | I guess xpdf will work |
| 00:02.42 | xam- | gaimer: vncserver starts a new session, from .xsession IIRC |
| 00:02.43 | gaimer | what program? |
| 00:02.46 | Octalthorpe | Ah. |
| 00:02.51 | caphuso | Octalthorpe: takes his voice away |
| 00:02.52 | tcsetattr | bitwise, how did you like Verisign's "hey, we run the root nameserver, let's put in some wildcards pointing to our sales pitch" move? |
| 00:03.23 | tcsetattr | xeon: ghostview (gv) also shows pdfs |
| 00:03.38 | tcsetattr | gv is a little more friendly than xpdf, for me anyway |
| 00:03.54 | rich_ | PapyRene I see. thanks. |
| 00:04.00 | Octalthorpe | Other than the fact that PDF sucks, but that's not xpdf's fault. |
| 00:04.14 | jonix | Octalthorpe: my linux wont boot now |
| 00:04.23 | Octalthorpe | jonix : What happens when you try to boot? |
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| 00:04.39 | RedEyess | I have done 'modprobe -l' to show which modules require to be inserted |
| 00:04.45 | RedEyess | or show which modules.. |
| 00:05.05 | jonix | Octalthorpe: I get to msg "Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 03:01 |
| 00:05.10 | Octalthorpe | modprobe -l lists all modules matching the pattern. |
| 00:05.11 | bahamat | how do you view the literal for apt's commands again? |
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| 00:05.15 | Octalthorpe | jonix : What filesystem are you using? |
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| 00:05.24 | Octalthorpe | ~literal apt |
| 00:05.25 | | apt is debian install tool or the same blootbot as ibot and jbot on freenode. see owner |
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| 00:05.47 | jonix | Octalthorpe: What you mean? |
| 00:05.48 | bitwise | tcsetattr: I want to beat the shit out of all these sqatters, they're so shallow they cant even put up something on topic , they just want advertising/marketing $ , its so pathetic what the internet has turned into .. interent treasure chest ! work from home! , spam , commerical , garbage , complete abyss , even google is starting to suck |
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| 00:06.05 | Octalthorpe | jonix : Is your root partition formatted as ext2, ext3, Reiser, etc? |
| 00:06.20 | jonix | ext3 |
| 00:06.36 | Octalthorpe | Anybody know if ext3 is built in to Debian's kernel images? |
| 00:06.58 | jonix | VFS: Cannot open root device "301" or 03:01 |
| 00:06.59 | bahamat | Octalthorpe: if you use 2.4, yes |
| 00:07.06 | xam- | octal: as module in the initrd, yes |
| 00:07.20 | bahamat | jonix: linux can't find your initrd |
| 00:07.21 | mon | anyone here has xfce4 (from unstable) expierence? i didnt get a xfcerc file with it, so i got my own but it's not used somehow.. |
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| 00:07.31 | jonix | initrd? |
| 00:07.43 | Octalthorpe | ~tell jonix about initrd |
| 00:07.52 | bahamat | jonix: when you installed your new kernel and it asked you about initrd did you read the instructions and folow them? or did you just tell it to continue? |
| 00:08.12 | bahamat | mon: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:08.17 | rich_ | bitwise yes but we knew it would be that way when commercial traffic was first allowed. Allowing commercial traffic did that but it also brought in a lot of people. |
| 00:08.26 | jonix | well i just continued |
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| 00:09.15 | jonix | with what kernel Debian 3.0r2 coming? |
| 00:09.21 | mon | bahamat: well xfce has this annoying "xftaskbar4" i want to get rid of. the right way to do that is by editing ~/.xfce4/xfcerc but i never got that file |
| 00:09.40 | bahamat | mon: how is that the right way? |
| 00:10.06 | sgeigerbot | fg |
| 00:10.12 | jonix | Octalthorpe: Is there anyway i can fix it? or i need to reinstall debian ? |
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| 00:11.16 | mon | bahamat: according to the faq on xfce.rog |
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| 00:11.33 | mon | bahamat: eh .org. by commenting out "xftaskbar4&" |
| 00:12.02 | jaggu | .list |
| 00:12.12 | bahamat | mon: what did you do to use xfce in the first place? |
| 00:12.52 | mon | bahamat: but eh, it seems (debians?) gdm has it's own way handling this. i just found out about /etc/gdm/Sessions/Xfce file. xftaskbar is started there appearantly |
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| 00:13.13 | mon | bahamat: i had gnome here, and did apt-get install xfce4. thats it |
| 00:13.33 | mon | my gentoo box + gdm was a bit different from this one |
| 00:13.33 | bahamat | mon: ok, you just answered your own question then |
| 00:13.37 | mon | eh jup :) |
| 00:13.49 | mon | i just found this out |
| 00:13.51 | mon | thanks anyway |
| 00:14.01 | Octalthorpe | Anybody know how I can fix a (partially) broken iTouch keyboard with kernel 2.6.3? |
| 00:14.12 | quaqo | bbl |
| 00:14.15 | Octalthorpe | jonix : Version numbers don't really matter if you dist-upgrade. |
| 00:14.34 | bahamat | Octalthorpe: maybe, if we knew (partially) what the problem was |
| 00:15.03 | GentooGuy | when I try to mount boot it tells me I have an NTFS read/write error! wtf? my /dev/hda1 is a linux boot partition |
| 00:15.18 | GentooGuy | I used the command mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/boot |
| 00:15.28 | Octalthorpe | bahamat : Sorry. ;) The 'Finance' 'MySites' and 'Community' buttons are no longer picked by up (e.g.) xev, or the hotkeys daemon. |
| 00:15.45 | Random_832 | GentooGuy: try mount -t ext3 (or whatever) |
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| 00:16.00 | GentooGuy | ok thanks |
| 00:16.02 | Random_832 | are you sure hda1 and not hda2/hda3/etc is the linux partition? |
| 00:16.13 | fishy | which uses less memory: Boa or thttpd? |
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| 00:16.44 | clh | hey.. how can I assign ethx to a special NIC? |
| 00:16.59 | clh | eth1 is what should be eth0 and vice versa :/ |
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| 00:17.18 | clh | i got drivers compiled into the kernel so I cannot load modules in a different order |
| 00:17.22 | galois | how do I get a machine to automatically get an ip address? |
| 00:17.24 | GentooGuy | Random_832: I get the error wrong fs type or bad superblock on /dev/hda1 |
| 00:17.26 | GentooGuy | :( |
| 00:17.27 | clh | might anyone help? |
| 00:17.36 | galois | apt-get install dchp3? |
| 00:17.38 | rdancer | hiall. |
| 00:17.39 | GentooGuy | mount |
| 00:17.42 | Random_832 | GentooGuy: are you sure it's hda1 that's the linux partition? |
| 00:17.53 | pixelmonkey | is there a tool I can use to access a directory accessible to me through an ssh connection/scp as if it were a local directory so that I can use my own proggies on the files therein? |
| 00:17.55 | fishy | galois: apt-get install pump |
| 00:18.01 | fishy | then pump -i eth0 |
| 00:18.01 | GentooGuy | well I am pretty sure that hda1 is my boot partition |
| 00:18.05 | galois | fishy: pump is installed |
| 00:18.05 | Random_832 | do you know what filesystem type it is (ext2, ext3, reiser, etc)? that's what i meant by 'whatever' |
| 00:18.08 | Random_832 | you're "pretty sure"? |
| 00:18.12 | galois | fishy: I mean from boot |
| 00:18.12 | Random_832 | try other numbers :P |
| 00:18.14 | tcsetattr | galois, install dhcp-client and put "iface eth0 inet dhcp" into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:18.18 | GentooGuy | yes it is ext3 |
| 00:18.25 | galois | tcsetattr: ok thanks |
| 00:18.27 | tcsetattr | or pump |
| 00:18.47 | rdancer | having problem with DNS.. setting forwarders IPs in named.conf should be enough for a caching-only server to work, right? |
| 00:18.48 | galois | switch pump for dhcp in that line? |
| 00:18.50 | GentooGuy | ext3 is mounted |
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| 00:19.03 | GentooGuy | I mean hda3 is mounted and hda2 is swap |
| 00:19.11 | FireEgl | clh: Switch them around in your /etc/network/interfaces file. (I think) |
| 00:19.38 | Random_832 | are you _sure_ it's ext3? have you _tried_ it with other fs types? |
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| 00:19.50 | GentooGuy | yes I tried with ext2 |
| 00:19.55 | GentooGuy | reiserfs |
| 00:19.55 | tcsetattr | galois, pump is an alternative to dhcp-client |
| 00:19.56 | GentooGuy | etc.. |
| 00:19.58 | GentooGuy | :( |
| 00:20.01 | GentooGuy | I don't know what to do |
| 00:20.09 | GentooGuy | is there any way to check |
| 00:20.12 | tcsetattr | galois you need either pump or dhcp-client installed, and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in the interfaces file |
| 00:20.22 | tcsetattr | then run ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 |
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| 00:20.54 | dualxeon | is there an Op around |
| 00:21.02 | carrett | hey, if i'm getting hda:lost interrupt and i just reinstalled debian, is my disk totally fucked? |
| 00:21.13 | Gnea | dualxeon: why? |
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| 00:21.18 | bahamat | dualxeon: what does it matter? |
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| 00:21.30 | bahamat | carrett: not totally, but mostly so |
| 00:21.42 | carrett | bahamat is there anything i can do??? |
| 00:21.55 | bahamat | carrett: yes, you can buy a new disk |
| 00:22.03 | carrett | bahamat that's my only option? |
| 00:22.09 | dualxeon | i am i have not been able to join the slackware channel for a week no. it says that i am banned |
| 00:22.15 | Gnea | carrett: it might be your kernel |
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| 00:22.23 | bahamat | carrett: no, you can continue using the disk until it dies completely and you lose all of your data |
| 00:22.26 | _r00t- | hello |
| 00:22.38 | carrett | bahamat but reformatting it won't help anything? |
| 00:22.45 | bahamat | dualxeon: then what do you expect anyone here to do about it? |
| 00:22.50 | caphuso | dualxeon: and how can a #debian op help with that? |
| 00:22.53 | Gnea | carrett: is this a new drive? |
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| 00:23.00 | dualxeon | how can i get unbanned |
| 00:23.03 | bahamat | carrett: no, it's a hardware failure |
| 00:23.05 | dualxeon | i didn't do anything |
| 00:23.07 | carrett | Gnea, i've had it for less than two years... |
| 00:23.19 | bahamat | dualxeon: ask someone in #slackware |
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| 00:23.21 | Gnea | dualxeon: that's what you may think. |
| 00:23.27 | carrett | bahamat fuck! are maxtors known to suck? |
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| 00:23.30 | dualxeon | i am at a universiy were everyone goes out on the same ip address |
| 00:23.37 | _r00t- | Unpacking libice6 (from .../libice6_4.3.0-2_i386.deb) ... |
| 00:23.37 | sussudio | carrett: duh. |
| 00:23.37 | _r00t- | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libice6_4.3.0-2_i386.deb (--unpac |
| 00:23.37 | _r00t- | k): |
| 00:23.37 | _r00t- | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.37 | _r00t- | ibs |
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| 00:23.38 | dpkg | _r00t-: You are moron #9 |
| 00:23.40 | bahamat | carrett: when did you purchase this maxtor? |
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| 00:23.47 | bahamat | thanks debhelper |
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| 00:23.48 | Gnea | dualxeon: i doubt that |
| 00:23.54 | dualxeon | and there are several people here that use that channel |
| 00:23.57 | carrett | bahamat the summer before last. part of an hp system. |
| 00:23.59 | _r00t- | sorry for flooding |
| 00:24.03 | dualxeon | what are you doubting |
| 00:24.13 | Gnea | that they use the exact same ip address. |
| 00:24.19 | _r00t- | but how can i fix that ? |
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| 00:24.21 | FieldySnuts | NAT, it's common |
| 00:24.31 | bahamat | carrett: then it may still be under warranty, in such case you can return it to the mfgr for repair/replacement |
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| 00:24.41 | FieldySnuts | since freenode ops like to hide though, hard to tell who is an op |
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| 00:24.44 | carrett | bahamat i'll look into it. thanks. |
| 00:24.49 | Gnea | _r00t-: pasting in #flood, for starters... |
| 00:24.56 | tcsetattr | *** #slackware *!*yorkb@192.122.* tgz!tgz@tgz.usercloak.freenode 1077408752 |
| 00:24.58 | _r00t- | Gnea: ok |
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| 00:25.09 | tcsetattr | the ban was placed by tgz, you could beg him for forgiveness |
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| 00:25.29 | Gnea | dualxeon: looks like one of your buddies is a moron. |
| 00:25.32 | dualxeon | anyway does freenode bann by ip address |
| 00:25.42 | bahamat | dualxeon: you could also beg me for forgiveness |
| 00:25.47 | sussudio | tcsetattr: tgz is tgz@tgz.usercloak.freenode * UdontKnow's bot |
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| 00:25.58 | dualxeon | bahamat: can you fix this |
| 00:26.04 | bahamat | but I have no ability to fix whatever it is you want anyway, but at least I'll feel good about it |
| 00:26.13 | tcsetattr | oh, a bot, you'll have to beg a LOT |
| 00:26.15 | FieldySnuts | !start a browser war |
| 00:26.16 | dpkg | w3m > mozilla |
| 00:26.22 | Gnea | dualxeon: you should take the time to find out who it was that got banned and why. |
| 00:26.31 | bahamat | dpkg: not in memory footprint! |
| 00:26.31 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, bahamat |
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| 00:26.52 | dualxeon | does anyone know how i can get help, this sucks |
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| 00:27.03 | Gnea | i just stated |
| 00:27.06 | GunZ | if i compiled alsa with the oss compatibility stuff in my 2.6.3 kernel, do i need alsa-oss package? |
| 00:27.12 | bahamat | dualxeon: didn't someone already tell you to go kiss tgz's feet? |
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| 00:27.17 | CleeK | lo |
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| 00:27.20 | Gnea | dualxeon: life sucks. get used to it. |
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| 00:27.35 | bahamat | ~tell rot about root |
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| 00:27.57 | dualxeon | to is tgz |
| 00:28.00 | CleeK | I try to mount a FreeBSD partition, and mount -t ufs /dev/hda /tmp doesn't work. I've the module compiled and loaded. Any idea ? |
| 00:28.02 | dualxeon | who is tgz |
| 00:28.04 | sgeigerbot | hahamat: haha |
| 00:28.05 | CleeK | on a debian box :) |
| 00:28.11 | bahamat | dualxeon: no /whois tgz |
| 00:28.20 | Justin_ | !tell CleeK about doesn't work |
| 00:28.22 | Gnea | dualxeon: are you having issues reading what we type in this channel? |
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| 00:28.25 | QvQ | I truly hope someone can help me correct a massive screwup I've caused on one of my prized PCs running Debian |
| 00:28.30 | bahamat | sgeigerbot: ;-) |
| 00:28.40 | CleeK | o_O |
| 00:28.43 | CleeK | hmmm |
| 00:28.46 | QvQ | I ran apt-get upgrade. |
| 00:28.48 | tcsetattr | cleek, what about "BSD disklabel"/"BSD slice" support? |
| 00:28.49 | Gnea | QvQ: depends on the screwup. explain. |
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| 00:28.55 | sgeigerbot | bahamat: Man, it's refreshing to see that *someone* likes me old jokes. |
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| 00:29.03 | QvQ | I had gnome 2.4.1 running PERFECTLY. |
| 00:29.03 | kdeuser | is there kopete8.0 deb for debian, kde3.1.5? |
| 00:29.07 | CleeK | tcsetattr : is it an option of the kernel ? |
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| 00:29.11 | kdeuser | can please tell me where can i find it? |
| 00:29.15 | sussudio | dualxeon: can you stop whining now? you got banned by a bot in a channel. since UdontKnow is freenode staff, you can try /msg'ing him, that's what they're for. |
| 00:29.15 | bahamat | sgeigerbot: oh yes, I liked it :-) |
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| 00:29.33 | QvQ | Now this sawfish thing has removed any window adjustment tabs and png files can not be seen |
| 00:29.36 | Gnea | kdeuser: apt-cache search kopete |
| 00:29.37 | sgeigerbot | bahamat: tell sussudio about humor |
| 00:29.39 | QvQ | ]vviewed. |
| 00:29.44 | pixelmonkey | how does one use rsync to synchronize between local HD and a remote folder accessible through ssh? |
| 00:29.45 | Starfury^ | Can anyone tell me what the following means and if there is anything I can do to fix it? ---> kernel: ip_masq_pptp(): Lost GRE masq table entry (SET_LINK_INFO) kernel: ip_fw_demasq_gre(): Inbound from ip.ip.ip.ip has no masq table entry. |
| 00:29.46 | tcsetattr | cleek, look under "Advanced partition selection", or something like that... it's unlikely that your whole /dev/hda is UFS, you probably have some sort of partitions that were put there by the BSD |
| 00:29.50 | kdeuser | its not there |
| 00:29.54 | assassin_bill | susudio: man it |
| 00:29.58 | bahamat | sussudio: sgeigerbot wants you to know humor is like, funny |
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| 00:30.06 | Gnea | QvQ: oh, that's not a massive screwup. :) |
| 00:30.13 | QvQ | Is there any way to get back what I had before I ran apt-get upgrade ? |
| 00:30.16 | dualxeon | i didn't do anything to get banned |
| 00:30.28 | assassin_bill | asking questions |
| 00:30.30 | sussudio | bahamat: don't relay messages from people i have on ignore. he's on ignore for a very good reason, this reason is that sgeigerbot is an uninteresting nuisance. |
| 00:30.30 | QvQ | I truly regret every running it. |
| 00:30.40 | QvQ | ever = every |
| 00:30.59 | Justin_ | QvQ: what did you upgrade |
| 00:31.00 | bahamat | sussudio: heh sorry, I thought he was treating me like a blootbot |
| 00:31.03 | Gnea | dualxeon: that's not an issue now. you might need to prove that it wasn't you... but seriously, talk to the one that banned you |
| 00:31.06 | sgeigerbot | bahamat: If sussudio says something about me let me know. He's on /ignore |
| 00:31.23 | QvQ | Justin - I simply ran apt-get upgrade at the prompt and pressed "Y" |
| 00:31.39 | Gnea | ah |
| 00:31.43 | assassin_bill | Debian room Para 3 - section 2 "any unwarented questions are punishable by law" |
| 00:31.46 | CleeK | tcsetattr : I have a "Advanced partition selection", I selected it, but nothing looks like BSD fs :/ |
| 00:31.46 | Gnea | so you didn't read what packages it was going to REMOVE |
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| 00:32.14 | QvQ | I rebooted and all of my setting in X are now missing. AllGnome 2.4.1 is not running and png files are not viewable. There are no controlls on the windows to resize them. |
| 00:32.15 | wuhuu | hello |
| 00:32.21 | QvQ | Its an aweful mess. |
| 00:32.22 | wuhuu | *g* |
| 00:32.25 | sussudio | !tell metadroid about away |
| 00:32.31 | kdeuser | Gnea :kopete 8.0 or 7.5 is not there for debian with kde3.1.5 |
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| 00:32.37 | Gnea | QvQ: apt-get install enlightenment - try that WM out |
| 00:32.58 | QvQ | Gnea - That's not the point. |
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| 00:33.21 | GentooGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.22 | Gnea | kdeuser: how new are 7.5/8.0? |
| 00:33.27 | wuhuu | i canged my home folder and now i can't login trough gdm ..... |
| 00:33.30 | dualxeon | Gnea: i didn't get banned |
| 00:33.35 | Gnea | QvQ: right, i know you want to have your gnome desktop back. |
| 00:33.37 | darko | E17 had this great screenshot somewhere, but it got lost when they suspended the project 2 years ago. |
| 00:33.42 | Gnea | !lart dualxeon |
| 00:33.45 | QvQ | Gnea - Correct |
| 00:33.52 | kdeuser | Gnea :now with pics image support |
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| 00:34.09 | real | is there a webserver for linux which allows bandwidth throttling? apache doesnt =/ |
| 00:34.12 | Gnea | dualxeon: listen, i don't care about that. no one cares about that. you can sit there and tell me the same thing over and over again. you know what? you will get banned from here for it. |
| 00:34.15 | OvrLrd-Q | do the new kernels come with xfs already patched in? |
| 00:34.18 | QvQ | I want my Gnome 2.4.1 desktop back because I was completely and totally happy with it. |
| 00:34.24 | dualxeon | if they ban ipadresses than if one person out of the 3000 people that live in the dorms gets banned then all do |
| 00:34.32 | darko | real, surely there'sa third party module for apache, no? |
| 00:34.34 | Gnea | dualxeon: that's not up to me tho. |
| 00:34.43 | real | nope, they all just limit outgoing etc |
| 00:34.48 | sussudio | metadroid: fuck you |
| 00:34.48 | real | not how fast, but how much |
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| 00:35.27 | Justin_ | QvQ: i didnt ask you what you ran, I asked you what you upgraded |
| 00:35.33 | Gnea | QvQ: what i'm saying is this - install E and use that as a temporary backup desktop until you get gnome fixed |
| 00:35.33 | darko | rea, i am convinced i saw that somewhere. |
| 00:35.36 | maestro | hello |
| 00:35.38 | darko | real even |
| 00:36.12 | maestro | is anybody using acpi on sid with kernel-image-2.6.0 |
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| 00:36.27 | Gnea | Justin_: read what he wrote dude, he said he doesn't know and he obviously doesn't have a scrollback of it |
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| 00:36.35 | QvQ | Gnea - I upgraded a huge number of items that appeared when I used apt-get upgrade. A large number of aplications and utilities and linbs were listed. |
| 00:36.44 | xp_ | I need help hooking up my digital camera, can anyone help me? |
| 00:37.10 | xp_ | I see activity in the /var/log/syslog |
| 00:37.11 | bahamat | xp_: treat it like any usb mass storage device |
| 00:37.14 | xp_ | when I hook it up |
| 00:37.24 | Gnea | QvQ: right, i understand that - what happens sometimes in an upgrade is some dependancies will fail while some packages get removed... you're using woody or sid or sarge? |
| 00:37.29 | xp_ | it says: Feb 20 16:26:15 debian usbmgr[332]: "usb-storage" was loaded |
| 00:37.31 | sgeigerbot | xp_: Somebody once told me that RETURN is not punctuation. |
| 00:37.33 | wuhuu | do i get an answer ?? |
| 00:37.35 | wuhuu | i canged my home folder and now i can't login trough gdm ..... |
| 00:37.49 | xp_ | I try to mount /dev/sda1 /mnt but it says invalid block device |
| 00:37.51 | sgeigerbot | wuhuu: "directory"...not folder |
| 00:37.53 | GentooGuy | can someone tell me what vmlinuz is please? |
| 00:37.55 | xp_ | what am I doing wrong? |
| 00:37.58 | bahamat | QvQ: which debian dist are you using? |
| 00:38.00 | xp_ | vmlinuz is a kernel |
| 00:38.02 | sgeigerbot | GentooGuy: the kernel |
| 00:38.05 | bahamat | GentooGuy: it's your kernel |
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| 00:38.33 | Gnea | GentooGuy: it is the most important thing in the universe. |
| 00:38.34 | GentooGuy | sgeigerbot: I just compiled a 2.6.0 kernel and I created a bzImage how can I use that instead of vmlinuz? |
| 00:38.43 | xp_ | bahamat what should I do? |
| 00:38.52 | GentooGuy | so bzImage is the equivalent yes? |
| 00:39.01 | Gnea | GentooGuy: hey, so you have a /usr/src/linux/ dir right? |
| 00:39.05 | bahamat | xp_: do you know how to use usb devices? |
| 00:39.12 | Justin_ | GentooGuy: i'd keep your current kernel if I were you |
| 00:39.15 | tcsetattr | bzImage is vmlinuz |
| 00:39.33 | GentooGuy | Justin_: what makes you say that? |
| 00:39.35 | itga | edit lilo.conf |
| 00:39.38 | bucky | and linux is lee noos |
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| 00:39.44 | Justin_ | GentooGuy: you're clueless |
| 00:39.45 | tcsetattr | just rename it. or better you rename it to "bzImage-2.6.0" and put THAT in the lilo.conf |
| 00:39.48 | GentooGuy | itga: I did /boot/bzImage |
| 00:39.50 | GentooGuy | thanks |
| 00:39.51 | GentooGuy | :) |
| 00:39.53 | GentooGuy | it worked |
| 00:39.54 | xp_ | bahmat kind of but not really |
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| 00:40.04 | GentooGuy | Justin_: thanks for the help but not completely |
| 00:40.12 | Gnea | GentooGuy: so do you have that /usr/src/linux/ directory? |
| 00:40.16 | itga | yup, cp System.map to /boot too |
| 00:40.24 | Gnea | !lart Justin_ |
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| 00:40.34 | Gnea | ooo, now that's harsh. |
| 00:40.47 | sussudio | !aolify Gnea |
| 00:40.47 | lk-away | To install Debian, can I use the Sarge ISO #1? |
| 00:40.47 | FieldySnuts | !fuck Gnea |
| 00:40.59 | bahamat | lk-away: yes |
| 00:41.05 | Justin_ | i'm sure he will be back when it doesn't boot, and then again when modules won't load, and then again when his nic doesn't work, and then again when his sound doesn't work |
| 00:41.08 | xp_ | bahamat hello? |
| 00:41.08 | FieldySnuts | !penixstrike sussudio |
| 00:41.14 | Gnea | i have a cock. suck on it. :) |
| 00:41.18 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 00:41.23 | itga | the best way read this |
| 00:41.24 | itga | http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/799 |
| 00:41.33 | lk-away | bahamat: thanks. |
| 00:41.36 | bahamat | xp_: if you don't spell my name right I won't always notice you talking to me |
| 00:41.41 | mcm | what happens if wrote to a partition a file directly which is larger then partition it-self? say dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 |
| 00:41.48 | bahamat | xp_: do you know how to mount disks? |
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| 00:41.54 | xp_ | yes bahamat |
| 00:42.00 | bahamat | xp_: any disk? |
| 00:42.01 | Gnea | mcm: it dies. |
| 00:42.04 | mcm | whould it overwrite the next partition or |
| 00:42.14 | Gnea | no it would just fill that partition up |
| 00:42.25 | mcm | Gnea: ok. thanks a lot. |
| 00:42.26 | xp_ | mount shows /proc/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) |
| 00:42.31 | sussudio | Gnea: i see you're a troll. when bob2 wakes up he'll deal with you again. |
| 00:42.35 | FlowWolf | am long time windows developer, new time wanna be linux haxor - any suggestions on some good documents on setting up a working development environment using CVS (or hell, subversion), a console editor (VIM or EMACS), a graphical IDE (KDevelop), etc.? Will happily go to another channel if anyone has a good place for me to go.... |
| 00:42.38 | xp_ | bahamat does that help? |
| 00:42.44 | Gnea | sussudio: confuse me not with Justin_. |
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| 00:42.55 | bahamat | xp_: that does |
| 00:42.56 | Gnea | i actually provide help. |
| 00:43.04 | xp_ | bahamat what should I do to mount it? |
| 00:43.12 | delire | hmm /var/log/syslog reports this every now and again: 'Feb 22 01:07:05 dropWorld kernel: atkbd.c: Keyboard on isa0060/serio0 reports too many keys pressed.' |
| 00:43.19 | OvrLrd-Q | do the new(er) kernels come with xfs already, or do I need to patch it in still? |
| 00:43.20 | delire | any ideas what the remedy for this is? |
| 00:43.24 | zeke | what's a good burning program that supports direct atapi burning? |
| 00:43.30 | bahamat | xp_: make sure you have hotplug installed, then mount /dev/sda1 onto any avialable directory with type vfat |
| 00:43.35 | delire | zeke: xcdroast |
| 00:43.59 | sussudio | delire: what the heck is that? an usb kb? |
| 00:44.11 | delire | sussudio: nope, just a lappie kb |
| 00:44.32 | sussudio | delire: dropped any fluids on it lately? |
| 00:44.33 | bahamat | zeke: cdrecord |
| 00:44.33 | delire | sussudio: weird ey? |
| 00:44.35 | FlowWolf | am long time windows developer, new time wanna be linux haxor - any suggestions on some good documents on setting up a working development environment using CVS (or hell, subversion), a console editor (VIM or EMACS), a graphical IDE (KDevelop), etc.? Will happily go to another channel if anyone has a good place for me to go.... |
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| 00:44.48 | delire | sussudio: carried it around the world about three times though ;) |
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| 00:44.54 | bahamat | FlowWolf: apt-get install build-essential |
| 00:45.02 | QvQ | Gnea - apt-get install enlightnenment installed the englightnement components but sawfish is still running. |
| 00:45.19 | xp_ | bahamat how do I know where hotplug is to load? |
| 00:45.23 | Gnea | QvQ: ok, you should be able to logout and select it from the session list |
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| 00:45.34 | delire | xp_: hotplug will load modules on demand |
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| 00:45.44 | bahamat | xp_: apt-get install hotplug |
| 00:45.46 | Gnea | QvQ: you may need to restart gdm tho |
| 00:45.47 | xp_ | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt -t vfat mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 00:46.01 | shepherd | apt-get install more_ram_and_faster_cpu |
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| 00:46.17 | delire | xp_ syntax is wierd no? |
| 00:46.24 | QvQ | Gnea - nope. |
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| 00:46.31 | QvQ | Its not visible withing |
| 00:46.35 | bahamat | xp_: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 00:46.37 | xp_ | delire I have hotplug loaded I will try mounting again |
| 00:46.39 | QvQ | within the sessions list |
| 00:46.45 | bahamat | xp_: secondly, I told you to install hotplug |
| 00:46.48 | delire | xp_ make an /etc/fstab entry |
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| 00:47.07 | delire | xp_: then just 'mount /usbmnt or whatever |
| 00:47.21 | FlowWolf | bahamat: thanks... that's already been done.... I'm looking more for some advice on how best to setup a working development environment..... I can see that build-essential has all the pieces-parts for a build environment. I need a recipe for a development environment, I guess.... |
| 00:47.24 | PapyRene | How to restart only my xserver to try new xcursors? |
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| 00:47.41 | xp_ | no modules for USB product 54c/10/450 |
| 00:47.41 | bahamat | FlowWolf: I don't know what you're trying to ask |
| 00:47.43 | delire | xp_:_ you may need usb-storage.o also |
| 00:47.58 | Gnea | QvQ: hrm ok... is there an Xsession session? |
| 00:48.06 | delire | sussudio: so you think it is kb damage? |
| 00:48.06 | QvQ | yes |
| 00:48.08 | tiax | PapyRene: 'only'? when you restart your x-server, you'll kill your x-programms, too (inevitably) |
| 00:48.21 | sussudio | delire: *shrug* |
| 00:48.33 | QvQ | But I notice that something absolutely dreadful has happened as a result of apt-get upgrade. |
| 00:48.43 | QvQ | kde and gnome were DOWNGRADED. |
| 00:48.51 | sussudio | delire: 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:48.53 | QvQ | This is a disaster for me. |
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| 00:48.56 | PapyRene | tiax: you mean I can just log out and log in again? |
| 00:49.00 | delire | sussudio: yep.. seems fine on a 2.4.* |
| 00:49.10 | delire | sussudio: i do type very fast hw |
| 00:49.19 | sussudio | delire: you bastard. google first next time: http://www.google.nl/search?q=atkbd.c%3A+Keyboard+on+isa0060%2Fserio0+reports+too+many+keys+pressed&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 00:49.20 | tiax | PapyRene: yeah, but all open programms (that use x) will be closed |
| 00:49.24 | delire | sussudio: not that that is an appropriate reason of course |
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| 00:49.33 | tiax | PapyRene: strg + alt + backspace will stop your xserver |
| 00:49.41 | tiax | PapyRene: sorry, ctrl + alt + backspace |
| 00:49.48 | delire | sussudio: hehe sure ;) |
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| 00:50.13 | real | ith linux kernel 2.6 what is the preffered traffic shaping tool? |
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| 00:50.36 | PapyRene | tiax: what is the difference between ctrl+alt+del and logout/login? |
| 00:50.44 | sussudio | real: badger |
| 00:50.54 | real | thanks |
| 00:50.57 | FlowWolf | bahamat: a development environment will likely mean a console based code editor: which is best, and how to set it up? What is the best Integrated Development Environment (IDE) - I know for Java that would likely be Eclipse... ? What is the recommended directory structure for such an environment? What is the best way to configure CVS - or should I use Subversion? ..... I know that I could use each seperate component as a start for goo |
| 00:51.00 | sussudio | :-| |
| 00:51.05 | tcsetattr | FlowWolf, it sounds like what you actually want is perhaps an introductory book on unix programming |
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| 00:51.23 | tiax | PapyRene: ctrl+alt+bs will just kill your xserver, login/logout might be a better choice (saves data, etc) |
| 00:51.26 | xp_ | thanks all I give up |
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| 00:51.42 | PapyRene | tiax: thanks |
| 00:51.56 | real | hmm not fidning any on badger |
| 00:51.58 | real | isnt there something like QoS |
| 00:52.06 | xp_ | debian usbmgr[332]: "usb-storage" was unloaded |
| 00:52.07 | FieldySnuts | hjeh |
| 00:52.07 | delire | sussudio: ahh i can't be bothered with a patch. doesn't seem to be hurting anything |
| 00:52.10 | xp_ | why would it do that? |
| 00:52.12 | FlowWolf | tcetattr: perhaps.... I've been looking for something like this google: "setup linux development environment" |
| 00:52.22 | FieldySnuts | !start a badger war |
| 00:52.22 | dpkg | mushrooms are better than snakes |
| 00:52.28 | delire | xp_: because you took out the device? |
| 00:52.33 | nxtw | wtf |
| 00:52.33 | nxtw | no |
| 00:52.37 | nxtw | snake > mushroom |
| 00:52.53 | real | what is the simplest way to limit bandwidth on linux? with kernel 2.6 |
| 00:52.59 | FlowWolf | people < mushroom |
| 00:53.14 | PatoFeo-Talento | what is the name, of the Linux kernel image in debian ? |
| 00:53.17 | lord_kelmain | Is there any way to install debian unstable (sid) without installing the stable version first? |
| 00:53.20 | tcsetattr | FlowWolf, you may not believe this but most programs for Linux are developed with nothing but a text editor. Graphical IDEs are just fluff... |
| 00:53.22 | bahamat | FlowWolf: what do you define as a "development environment"? |
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| 00:53.45 | tcsetattr | FlowWolf, take a look at the package called "autoproject" |
| 00:53.50 | FlowWolf | tcsetattr - note that I'm asking which console editor is the best.... I've looked at VIM and EMACS... |
| 00:53.51 | delire | FlowWolf: vim is an orchard of many fruits |
| 00:53.54 | bahamat | FlowWolf: I define it as vi and a coke |
| 00:53.54 | tiax | lord_kelmain: there are sid installer-images, but I wouldn't try those |
| 00:53.58 | tiax | those are... well, unstable |
| 00:54.03 | FieldySnuts | !start an editor war |
| 00:54.03 | dpkg | zile blows |
| 00:54.06 | lord_kelmain | tiax: oh. heh, I see. |
| 00:54.08 | delire | bahamat: vi? bah! |
| 00:54.11 | PatoFeo-Talento | someone know? |
| 00:54.19 | rmf | eclipse |
| 00:54.27 | tiax | lord_kelmain: well you could use testing images ;) but I guess that doesn't really matter |
| 00:54.31 | lord_kelmain | tiax: how about testing? Can I install those directly from cd? |
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| 00:54.48 | FlowWolf | bahamat: vi? and do you use VIM? |
| 00:54.51 | lord_kelmain | tiax: heh preemptive answering. |
| 00:54.51 | tiax | lord_kelmain: yes, those will work I guess |
| 00:54.57 | delire | anyone know the real difference between memtest86 and memtest86+ ? apt-cache show reveals nothing |
| 00:55.09 | bahamat | FlowWolf: I don't need all of that fluff |
| 00:55.22 | tcsetattr | it's useless to ask "what's the best editor". You can only start a holy war thatw ay. |
| 00:55.24 | itga | real: what is the simplest way to limit bandwidth on linux? with kernel 2.6 |
| 00:55.25 | itga | http://linux-ip.net/articles/Traffic-Control-HOWTO/ |
| 00:55.26 | delire | bahamat: hehe and you only eat rice? |
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| 00:55.29 | FlowWolf | bahamat: nice for you :) |
| 00:55.34 | OvrLrd-Q | do the new kernel-images have xfs enabled? or do I need to compile from kernel-source and enable xfs? |
| 00:55.37 | itga | it'll help you |
| 00:55.41 | itga | ^^ |
| 00:55.45 | OvrLrd-Q | s/enabled/built-in/ |
| 00:55.48 | bahamat | FlowWolf: to be honest, I have recently switched to vim, but for years I was strictly an nvi guy |
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| 00:56.47 | frexl_ | hi i need a p2p program for woody any suggestions ? |
| 00:56.48 | tcsetattr | FlowWolf, we unix people have oru strong preferences for tools, but we also have pride in the fact that we do not have ONE editor that everyone is forced to use, ONE shell that everyone is forced to use, and so on |
| 00:56.59 | obake | dude.. have anyone tried quake3 with the new 2.6.3 kernel? |
| 00:57.01 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 00:57.13 | rmf | FlowWolf, what programming language you want an ide for? |
| 00:57.17 | itga | i have some quuestion? any1 can tel me what is the best file system (FS) ? for web server(Apache) and database server (mySQL) ? |
| 00:57.19 | delire | obake: no, only on 2.6.2.. fabulous |
| 00:57.26 | obake | lol |
| 00:57.31 | obake | 2.6.2 was running ok |
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| 00:57.37 | obake | now i upgraded and.. |
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| 00:57.46 | obake | the sound doesn't work anymore |
| 00:57.55 | delire | obake: i get f/ps hot enough to cook eggs on |
| 00:57.57 | obake | i thing it's the new alsa in the kernel |
| 00:58.09 | obake | ------- sound initialization ------- |
| 00:58.10 | obake | Could not mmap dma buffer PROT_WRITE|PROT_READ |
| 00:58.14 | obake | sux |
| 00:58.14 | carrett | um, ok, i can't even get to bios...is there anything i can do? |
| 00:58.22 | delire | obake: q3a looks to /dev/dsp. make sure there's a symlink |
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| 00:58.30 | obake | delire: /dev/dsp is working |
| 00:58.33 | obake | XMMS is working |
| 00:58.40 | obake | look |
| 00:58.43 | obake | /dev/dsp: Input/output error |
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| 00:58.49 | obake | but it IS working.. |
| 00:58.53 | carrett | obake: xmms working!=/dev/dsp working. |
| 00:59.03 | obake | yep |
| 00:59.05 | carrett | obake: you need oss compatability |
| 00:59.09 | obake | i have it |
| 00:59.16 | delire | hmm |
| 00:59.29 | carrett | obake: obviously you don't or else /dev/dsp would work with everything (including quake) |
| 00:59.30 | obake | it's on, XMMS works with the OSS plugin |
| 00:59.31 | frexl_ | need a p2p program for woody any suggestions ? |
| 00:59.34 | FlowWolf | rmf: C/C++ |
| 00:59.37 | PatoFeo-Talento | they have servers? |
| 00:59.44 | obake | carrett: i'm sure i did |
| 00:59.47 | carrett | obake: well then it's quake's fault isn't it. |
| 00:59.55 | obake | i just compiled 2.6.3 with the same .config of 2.6.2 |
| 00:59.55 | delire | obake: OSS compat is different from native OSS though |
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| 00:59.59 | obake | and 2.6.2 works fine |
| 01:00.02 | carrett | is my system sol if i can't even get to bios? |
| 01:00.11 | tcsetattr | here's another fact: there is no such thing as "C/C++". We unix people know C, and some of us also know C++, but there is no chance we consider them 2 parts of the same thing. |
| 01:00.11 | galois | any ideas on why my interface doesn't automatically grab an IP on startup? |
| 01:00.16 | obake | ah, and what does mean NMAP in the sound? |
| 01:00.23 | delire | frexl_: xmule or dcqt |
| 01:00.32 | FieldySnuts | n00b map |
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| 01:00.38 | obake | FieldySnuts: lol |
| 01:00.41 | delire | frexl_: xmule or dcgui i mean |
| 01:00.46 | frexl_ | delire ok thx |
| 01:00.48 | obake | crappy alsa 1.0.2 |
| 01:00.57 | obake | ah |
| 01:01.03 | obake | another thing |
| 01:01.17 | obake | when i run XMMS with the alsa plugin + Nmap on |
| 01:01.24 | delire | obake: it'll be quake on your box. alsa 1.0.2 is fine |
| 01:01.28 | FlowWolf | tcsetattr: that pride is one of the reasons I'm interested in moving into this realm... also I'm doing work that linux supports much better than windows.... so yeah... no one editor is a good thing. However, a noob needs SOMEWHERE to START. :) |
| 01:01.28 | obake | i get lots of ** WARNING **: alsa_mmap_audio(): snd_pcm_mmap_commit returned 15053, expected 1 |
| 01:01.31 | rmf | FlowWolf, maybe eclipse could be of any help for you, i heared it works with c/c++ if you install the appropiate plugins |
| 01:01.41 | obake | and the sound freezes like windows |
| 01:01.42 | delire | obake: hehe weird |
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| 01:01.50 | FlowWolf | rmf: no kidding.... |
| 01:01.54 | FlowWolf | rmf: hmmmmmmm |
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| 01:02.11 | obake | don't know what to do.. quake3 is life |
| 01:02.15 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: odl? |
| 01:02.15 | dpkg | i guess odl is a Richard Simmons loving troll |
| 01:02.21 | carrett | anyone have any clues why i can't even get to bios...all i did was reboot. my monitor doesn't even notice when i turn on my box... |
| 01:02.24 | delire | well strictly speaking it's simulated death... but ok |
| 01:02.36 | newble | hello |
| 01:02.39 | obake | carrett: something died |
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| 01:02.54 | obake | memory, cpu, motherboard |
| 01:02.56 | carrett | obake: right, but there's no way of figuring out what is there? |
| 01:02.56 | holycow | allright, so is it possible get apt to use an ftp with a user name and password? |
| 01:02.58 | delire | carrett: can't kill the dead |
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| 01:03.06 | obake | carrett: this way it's impossible |
| 01:03.13 | obake | it can be anything |
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| 01:03.21 | globexdesigns | Anyone know a wav to mp3 prog? |
| 01:03.22 | carrett | fawk!! |
| 01:03.28 | FlowWolf | is gnu.org down? |
| 01:03.29 | newble | i want to ask you am I need from LIDS for Debian woody |
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| 01:03.32 | holycow | all the deb ftp entries in sources.list seem to use anon/anon, i can't for the love of google figure out how to setup a user pass dealy. any ideas? |
| 01:03.35 | obake | it's like saying my X isn't working and there is no error message |
| 01:03.43 | gravity | globexdesigns: LAME |
| 01:03.45 | tcsetattr | well I guess the way to start is to write a "Hello, world" program. |
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| 01:03.46 | FieldySnuts | cd linux-2.6.3 ; patch -p1 < ../../patches/badgers-0.9c.patch |
| 01:03.55 | gravity | FlowWolf: For me it is |
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| 01:04.02 | vpb | hey can somebody help me? |
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| 01:04.09 | FlowWolf | gravity: k, thx |
| 01:04.09 | vpb | i added the url-s in source.list |
| 01:04.15 | obake | ** WARNING **: alsa_mmap_audio(): snd_pcm_mmap_commit returned 15053, expected 1 |
| 01:04.23 | obake | the error keeps coming |
| 01:04.27 | obake | and the sound keeps freezing |
| 01:04.30 | FlowWolf | bahamat: you still there? |
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| 01:04.41 | vpb | and i want to update kde 3.1.3 to 3.2 |
| 01:04.46 | obake | and quake3 keeps mute ;-x |
| 01:04.51 | delire | obake: another sound manager hogging the card? |
| 01:04.51 | vpb | how can i install then?! |
| 01:04.52 | FlowWolf | tcsetattr: thanks... I've done that too... |
| 01:04.57 | bahamat | FlowWolf: yes, I was away for a moment so whatever you just asked me I missed |
| 01:04.59 | obake | delire: i don't think so.. |
| 01:05.12 | gravity | vpb: Check apt-get.org and backports.org for unofficial packages of them |
| 01:05.14 | FieldySnuts | lsof | grep \/dev\/dsp |
| 01:05.14 | obake | man all i did was upgrading the kernel |
| 01:05.26 | obake | without change _almost_ anything |
| 01:05.29 | FlowWolf | bahamat: thanks... actually just wanted to know whether you use CVS or something else for version/change control? |
| 01:05.37 | obake | and now quake3 doesn't run |
| 01:05.39 | obake | well |
| 01:05.43 | FlowWolf | tcsetattr: same question to you.... |
| 01:05.44 | obake | i will google a little |
| 01:05.53 | obake | let's see if i can find something |
| 01:05.54 | FieldySnuts | !start a kernel war |
| 01:05.54 | dpkg | Alan is a usurper; long live Linus, the One True Linux Kernel Hacker! |
| 01:05.56 | bahamat | FlowWolf: I don't work on any projects that use cvs, but I have it installed |
| 01:05.58 | yeah | I have been unable to find a Linux distribution only requiring 15MB of memory (I have an old PC, do not want to buy a new one and it is so old that the info about the RAM is no longer listed) so does Debian have a distribution only requiring 15MB of memory? |
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| 01:06.19 | delire | yeah: tinylinux? matchboxlinux? |
| 01:06.23 | mgf`off | please, how to set kernel option when kernel image were retreived through tftp ? |
| 01:06.24 | gravity | yeah: No, debian doesn't |
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| 01:06.43 | FlowWolf | bahamat, tcsetattr: and is there someplace that has a good tutorial on using patch and diff - I'm used to graphical diffing using things like araxis merge... |
| 01:06.45 | gravity | We're struggling to get the new installer to fit in 32MB of RAM |
| 01:06.45 | vpb | how can i install all the kde packages with apt-get |
| 01:06.45 | Linux-newbie | got a quick question |
| 01:06.48 | tcsetattr | I'm not the manager of any large projects. I've played with CVS but don't have a real need for it. |
| 01:06.51 | yeah | Don't suppose you know anyone that does? |
| 01:06.53 | vpb | bc when i want to install just one ex. konqeuror |
| 01:07.02 | vpb | i asks me for dependices.. |
| 01:07.05 | bahamat | FlowWolf: man diff; man patch |
| 01:07.06 | gravity | vpb: I dold you. There are instructions on apt-get.org |
| 01:07.12 | Linux-newbie | if you visit a website and there is a midi file embedded in the webpage (and I have the URL directly to the midi) is there anyway I can save the midi? |
| 01:07.14 | NoelJB | anyone have a clue when Sarge is expected to move to STABLE? |
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| 01:07.21 | Linux-newbie | its being streamed to my PC, but the save-as function is backlit |
| 01:07.26 | bahamat | Linux-newbie: yes, wget it |
| 01:07.28 | gravity | NoelJB: Check the latest post by Colin Watson to debian-devel-announce |
| 01:07.34 | Linux-newbie | on a windows platform, how do I do it |
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| 01:07.40 | Linux-newbie | MSIE |
| 01:07.44 | delire | yeah: http://distrowatch.org/ will have something |
| 01:07.44 | terr1 | When im starting xterm in fluxbox the colors is inverted (white bg black text) how do I change to to black/white? |
| 01:07.47 | riki | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.51 | NoelJB | gravity: got a URL, or should I Google for the archive location? |
| 01:07.54 | yeah | Thank you delire. |
| 01:07.55 | bahamat | Linux-newbie: this is #debian, not #msie |
| 01:07.57 | Linux-newbie | I don't have my network adapter configured in the VM debian box |
| 01:07.58 | gravity | NoelJB: lists.debian.org |
| 01:08.02 | vpb | it isn't working |
| 01:08.05 | vpb | can somebody help me? |
| 01:08.11 | Mike | what package do i have to install for the modules on 2.6 |
| 01:08.16 | Linux-newbie | otherwise I'd have no problem doing it from there |
| 01:08.26 | Linux-newbie | I have debian on a Virtual Machine |
| 01:08.32 | bahamat | ~tell vpb about doesn't work |
| 01:08.33 | gravity | Mike: What modules? |
| 01:08.33 | FieldySnuts | ew |
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| 01:08.45 | tcsetattr | FlowWolf, man pages should be sufficient documentation for using diff and patch. When you're making diffs always use the -u option, that makes the diffs easier to read |
| 01:08.46 | FlowWolf | bahamat: thx.... but those are NOT tutorials.... those are documents without the benefit of a step by step examination of the different possible uses of each switch, nor do they provide a best-practices recommendation for their use..... and believe it or not, I've read those manpages. |
| 01:08.50 | Mike | i cant load modules on 2.6 |
| 01:09.00 | obake | # echo "quake3.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss |
| 01:09.04 | OvrLrd-Q | is there a file anywhere on the web for the kernel-image-2.6.x kernel-configs? |
| 01:09.06 | gravity | Mike: Are you running woody? |
| 01:09.19 | FlowWolf | tcsetattr: that is EXACTLY the kind of thing manpages tend to leave out.... |
| 01:09.19 | obake | delire: i will try that, but it mustn't be necessary.. |
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| 01:09.26 | Mike | sid |
| 01:09.27 | obake | if kernel 2.6.2 was running ok. |
| 01:09.31 | obake | well let's see |
| 01:09.37 | mithrandi | Mike: do you have module-init-tools installed? |
| 01:09.40 | bahamat | FlowWolf: diff file1 file2 > file.patch; patch -p0 file1 < file.patch |
| 01:09.42 | gravity | Mike: It should be able to load modules just fine if you're up to date |
| 01:09.56 | Mike | ok |
| 01:09.56 | tcsetattr | FlowWolf, you'd find that in the documentation for a project you're submitting patches to |
| 01:09.56 | Mike | sec |
| 01:10.15 | tcsetattr | for example, /usr/src/linux/Documentation/SubmittingPatches - the first thing it says is "use diff -u" |
| 01:10.27 | obake | oh |
| 01:10.28 | obake | crap |
| 01:10.30 | obake | now it worked |
| 01:10.31 | FieldySnuts | !lart zeke |
| 01:10.37 | FlowWolf | tcsetattr, bahamat: outstanding... thanks..... |
| 01:10.38 | obake | damn confusing stuff.. |
| 01:10.41 | delire | obake: hehe |
| 01:10.47 | tcsetattr | actually /usr/src/linux/Documentation/SubmittingPatches is a good thing to read even if you aren't doing kernel coding |
| 01:10.57 | zeke | !lart FieldySnuts |
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| 01:11.19 | newble | can you tell me is LIDS included in woody's kernel or not |
| 01:11.22 | gravity | vpb: What do you mean it "doesn't work"? |
| 01:11.29 | gravity | vpb: That tells me nothing |
| 01:11.36 | vpb | i went to package search |
| 01:11.37 | bahamat | ~+doesn't work |
| 01:11.38 | | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 01:11.43 | vpb | i write the package name |
| 01:11.48 | vpb | i click on Submit |
| 01:11.49 | vpb | but nothing |
| 01:12.02 | gravity | vpb: You click submit? Where are you doing this? packages.debian.org |
| 01:12.30 | vpb | i write the package name |
| 01:12.32 | vpb | but look |
| 01:12.43 | vpb | i have put the url in sources.list |
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| 01:12.47 | bahamat | vpb: apt-get install kde |
| 01:12.50 | gravity | vpb: WHAT URL? |
| 01:12.53 | vpb | and i want to update all kde packages |
| 01:12.55 | gravity | vpb: You're not telling me anything |
| 01:13.02 | delire | vpd: apt-get update first |
| 01:13.06 | vpb | deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.2/Debian stable main |
| 01:13.14 | gravity | vpb: apt-get update |
| 01:13.18 | vpb | i did it |
| 01:13.23 | vpb | i did apt-get update |
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| 01:13.34 | vpb | now how can i install all the kde packages |
| 01:13.37 | tiax | vpb: did you do apt-get dist-upgrade -u then, too ? |
| 01:13.43 | artichoke | what's the command to reconfigure a .deb ? |
| 01:13.48 | vpb | no i didnt |
| 01:13.49 | gravity | artichoke: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 01:13.51 | tiax | artichoke: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:13.54 | artichoke | thanks |
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| 01:13.56 | vpb | but i dont want to upgrade my system |
| 01:14.00 | vpb | i want to update just kde |
| 01:14.04 | NoelJB | gravity: thanks. It looks like May at the earliest, and more likely June? |
| 01:14.11 | *** part/#debian FlowWolf (~WolfDream@c-67-164-18-182.client.comcast.net) |
| 01:14.14 | gravity | !sarge pool |
| 01:14.15 | dpkg | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! sim0nrvn=2004-03-15 helix=2004-03-27 sharth=2004-03-03 croddy=2004-02-14 ghakko=2004-04-20 CompWizrd=103-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 beta3=2004-04-15 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-01-01 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or Anthro=2004-03-21, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 01:14.16 | mgf | is someone experienced with NFS-Root ? |
| 01:14.19 | gravity | !sarge pool 2 |
| 01:14.19 | dpkg | More bets on when sarge will become stable! paulswm=2004-06-01 Chromakode=2004-02-25 RinzeWind=2004-03-26 FreshUsr=2004-06-18 bytewalker=2004-03-02 Supaplex=Before Y2K38 g4lt=when hell freezes over (don't delete it this time) mechan0r=when_gravity_says_so gravity=when_aj_says_so VynoM=2004-04-16 zu22=2004-02-14 Gnea=2004-06-06 Sinistrad=2004-02-29 mdeboer=2004-07-14 hoxu=2004-03-01 cafuego=2004-13-13 |
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| 01:14.32 | tiax | vpb: then comment out all your sources.list entries except that kde source |
| 01:14.40 | tcsetattr | some of those sarge bets are in the past :) |
| 01:14.40 | tiax | then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade -u |
| 01:14.50 | NoelJB | gravity: LOL |
| 01:14.53 | vpb | thx tiax |
| 01:14.59 | FlowWolf | tcsetattr: [17:11][root@cronus:~]$ cd /usr/src/linux/Documentation |
| 01:14.59 | FlowWolf | -bash: cd: /usr/src/linux/Documentation: No such file or directory |
| 01:15.21 | artichoke | ah i was trying dpkg -reconfigure with a space. |
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| 01:15.58 | tcsetattr | FlowWolf, /usr/src/linux is just a somewhat common directory name; it's where the kernel source is sometimes kept. That Documentation directory is in the kernel source |
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| 01:16.14 | tcsetattr | you don't need to go read it right now... |
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| 01:16.21 | obake | does anyone use firebird + thunderbird? |
| 01:16.27 | delire | obake: yep |
| 01:16.32 | obake | how can i register the mailto: protocol in firebird ? |
| 01:16.35 | enntee | obake: firefox! |
| 01:16.37 | enntee | ;p |
| 01:16.42 | icydragonclaw | yep I got firefox |
| 01:16.43 | obake | it's the same ;P |
| 01:16.45 | tcsetattr | maybe a better point to make would be that you can learn how unix development works by picking an existing project that you're interested in, downloading the source, and helping out. |
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| 01:17.07 | FlowWolf | tcsetattr: that is EXACTLY what I am trying to do. :) |
| 01:17.17 | Jambon | i set up my pppoe account and did apt-get upgrade. it started by failing a few tries and then started downloading. it gave the speed and the percentage left. then it failed a few more times and said that some packages failed to download and older ones were used instead. i can't download any packages. when i pinged google i got: PING www.google.akadns.net (216.239.53.99): 56 data byes. any ideas on what i should do? |
| 01:17.34 | obake | i wanna make mailto: to open thunderbird |
| 01:17.43 | delire | obake: fb is a 'light' browser that eats heaps of sys mem |
| 01:17.50 | tcsetattr | so the next time you're annoyed by a minor bug or missing feature - even if it's so small that it only takes you a couple of seconds to work around it - download the source and fix that bug! |
| 01:17.57 | bahamat | obake: there's an extension that will do that |
| 01:18.09 | obake | delire: less then the original mozilla :-b |
| 01:18.17 | vpb | tiax : where are u from? |
| 01:18.20 | obake | bahamat: huh? |
| 01:18.24 | tiax | vpb: germany |
| 01:18.26 | bahamat | obake: there's an extension that will do that |
| 01:18.41 | obake | you just repeated it |
| 01:18.42 | obake | lol |
| 01:18.46 | enntee | Can anyone recommend a decent ircproxy? |
| 01:18.46 | FlowWolf | tcsetattr: and I've been developing for long enough that I know there are things that will be completely avoidable issues - which I will know nothing about because I'm a noob - so, where can I go to find a Frequently Made Mistakes (FMM) doc, a tutorial that includes the pros and cons of different editors, directory structures, etc..... |
| 01:18.47 | obake | which extension? |
| 01:18.55 | bahamat | obake: exactly, I assumed that you didn't hear me clearly |
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| 01:19.03 | fishy | enntee: psybnc? |
| 01:19.06 | obake | bahamat: :~( |
| 01:19.12 | enntee | fishy: thanks. i'll look into it |
| 01:19.37 | Jambon | anyone have experience with pppoe setup? |
| 01:19.38 | tcsetattr | FlowWolf, there's a FAQ somewhere called "Writing A Well-Behaved Unix Program"... |
| 01:19.52 | bahamat | obake: Launchy |
| 01:19.58 | FlowWolf | tcsetattr: excellent..... that's just the kind of thing I'm looking for.... |
| 01:20.07 | bahamat | obake: no, that's not the right one... |
| 01:20.21 | bahamat | obake: MozEX |
| 01:20.23 | FlowWolf | tcsetattr: are most programming guides for linux focused on UNIX.... |
| 01:20.25 | obake | wt.. |
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| 01:20.28 | obake | ok ;-p |
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| 01:20.48 | tcsetattr | ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/comp/unix/programmer |
| 01:21.02 | rvn | most of the unix principles also apply to linux. |
| 01:21.14 | FlowWolf | tcsetattr: excellent.... |
| 01:21.36 | tcsetattr | and remember this: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. |
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| 01:22.52 | PePeRene | I installed new xCursors in ~/.icons/default and ~/.icons/Blue; restarted but nothing changed. What goes wrong? |
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| 01:23.01 | FlowWolf | tcsetattr: thx for your help |
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| 01:23.10 | JohnFlux | hey all |
| 01:23.21 | JohnFlux | when I run glxgears, I get "Illegal instruction" |
| 01:23.22 | tcsetattr | Linux culture is an offshoot of UNIX culture, with more emphasis on free software and cheap hardware |
| 01:23.29 | JohnFlux | same with any opengl app |
| 01:23.39 | obake | bahamat: The requested URL /mozex/www/mozex-1.07.xpi was not found on this server. |
| 01:23.42 | obake | greaat |
| 01:24.21 | mgf | using tftp to send bzImage, kernel panic mounting nfs root fs, how could i pass kernel option ? |
| 01:24.46 | bahamat | obake: it's not my extension, what do you want me to do about it? e-mail tomas |
| 01:24.47 | obake | found a mirror |
| 01:24.57 | obake | bahamat: just commenting ;-x |
| 01:25.45 | JohnFlux | should I get xlibmesa3-gl or xlibmesa-gl ? |
| 01:26.17 | delire | JohnFlux: what version of XFree? |
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| 01:26.27 | delire | JohnFlux: what card? |
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| 01:27.06 | mithrandi | JohnFlux: I believe xlibmesa |
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| 01:27.11 | mithrandi | err |
| 01:27.20 | hackeron | what's the regex to sed for example only the first ']' in '[something] something2 [something3]' as in sed 's/.*\]//' but make it only apply up to the first ']'?7 |
| 01:27.23 | mithrandi | JohnFlux: I believe xlibmesa-gl is Replaces: xlibmesa3-gl? |
| 01:27.32 | QvQ | is it possible to REVERSE and UNDO an apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 01:28.11 | Sinistrad | QvQ, you can downgrade specific packages, but automatic downgrading is not supported. |
| 01:28.20 | delire | QvQ: not a specific reversal, no |
| 01:28.31 | tcsetattr | hackeron, sed 's/[^]]*\]//' |
| 01:28.37 | Knave | Ok, a few hours ago, i installed debian, then proceeded to upgrde the kernel to 2.4.18 using apt-get install. At that point, i restarted my computer and using apt-get i installed the kernel source and made a symlink to it in /usr/src/linux. I cant seem to get nvidia drivers to install. I get the error: Unable to determine the nvidia kernel module filename... Is there anything else i may need to do? |
| 01:28.43 | QvQ | Sinstrad - hrmmm. It appears that downgrading is indeed what happend to a PC here. |
| 01:28.50 | hackeron | tcsetattr: trying, thanks |
| 01:29.03 | mithrandi | hackeron: you could try something like [^]]*\] |
| 01:29.09 | QvQ | an apt-get upgrade was performed and the gnome desktop was totally obliterated. |
| 01:29.13 | Sinistrad | QvQ, you can download older packages and install them. But you cannot magically have apt-get do it for you. |
| 01:29.28 | tiax | Sinistrad: you can, with Apt-Pinning |
| 01:29.35 | Sinistrad | tiax, yeah? neat. |
| 01:29.37 | delire | tiax: apt_preferences |
| 01:29.45 | delire | sorry.. tiax |
| 01:29.54 | tiax | delire: yeah, that's what I meant |
| 01:29.55 | QvQ | Now I have sawfish and no way of resizing or moving terminal windows or application windows. |
| 01:30.18 | delire | QvQ: apt_preferences .. edit /etc/apt/preferences |
| 01:30.31 | tcsetattr | QvQ, maybe it removed some packages because of conflicts |
| 01:30.49 | delire | QvQ: give the branch you want to install to priority over the one you have |
| 01:30.51 | JohnFlux | delire: mithrandi thanks :) |
| 01:30.56 | QvQ | delire - what specifically withing preferences should be editted ? |
| 01:31.09 | JohnFlux | delire: it's one of those intel built in graphics card |
| 01:31.17 | QvQ | tcsetattr yes. I think that's what happened too. |
| 01:31.23 | QvQ | very frustrating. |
| 01:31.24 | delire | QvQ: prorities.. it tells apt what to give preference to basically |
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| 01:31.34 | hackeron | mithrandi: yes, tcsetattr suggested that and it works :), thanks for your help. |
| 01:31.35 | tcsetattr | QvQ, you should just be able to apt-get install the things it removed |
| 01:31.57 | delire | QvQ: you made a bad decision, that is frustrating yes. can you downgrade from WinXP to Win95? no.. |
| 01:31.59 | QvQ | the upgrade really hosed things. |
| 01:32.24 | QvQ | I don't use XP or 95 |
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| 01:33.03 | bur[n]er | anyone know what package chkdsk is in? |
| 01:33.04 | delire | QvQ: yes, you're lucky you have an option to upgrade downgrade in debian. look at pinning. it's what you need here. |
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| 01:33.34 | tcsetattr | chkdsk? I think that's in MSDOS |
| 01:33.37 | tcsetattr | !find chkdsk |
| 01:33.38 | QvQ | Is there a way delire is there docs on " "pinning" ? |
| 01:33.48 | delire | QvQ: man apt_preferences |
| 01:33.54 | QvQ | hrmm... |
| 01:34.00 | JohnFlux | bur[n]er yeah chkdsk is a dos program |
| 01:34.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'chkdsk' returned no results. |
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| 01:34.25 | bur[n]er | oh... well crap |
| 01:34.28 | tcsetattr | are you trying to repair a FAT filesystem from Linux? |
| 01:34.36 | delire | QvQ: look for the examples.. the syntax is a bit unguessable |
| 01:34.37 | bur[n]er | ntfs actually |
| 01:34.38 | tcsetattr | or have you just forgotten the name of fsck? |
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| 01:34.47 | bur[n]er | i just want to resize the partition |
| 01:34.55 | tcsetattr | that sounds dangerous |
| 01:34.55 | delire | bur[n]er: cfdisk |
| 01:34.55 | bur[n]er | but it errors saying that i should run chkdsk /f |
| 01:34.56 | changch | has anyone been able to install ximian on debian? |
| 01:35.12 | tcsetattr | then it's telling you to boot windoze and run chkdsk /f |
| 01:35.13 | bur[n]er | cfdisk == disk partitioning i thought? |
| 01:35.34 | icydragonclaw | if I have _Intel Corp. 82820 820 (Camino 2) Chipset AC'97 Audio Controller_, what module do I load in modconf? |
| 01:35.34 | delire | bur[n]er: if there's stuff on it, don't use cfdisk, no.. |
| 01:35.39 | bur[n]er | yeah i know |
| 01:35.44 | bur[n]er | i was gonna use qtparted |
| 01:35.47 | bur[n]er | but it's fragmented |
| 01:35.49 | icydragonclaw | ac97 seems like the correct one |
| 01:35.54 | Jambon | my pppoe connection is messed. it starts download and then quits and says it could retreive some packages when i do apt-get update. it always fails when i try to do anything else. anyone got ideas? |
| 01:35.54 | delire | bur[n]er: there are a few tools on freshmeat.net |
| 01:36.02 | bur[n]er | any in debian? |
| 01:36.06 | tcsetattr | ac97 is only part of it |
| 01:36.16 | delire | bur[n]er: apt-cache search partition resize |
| 01:36.16 | xmas | bur[n]er, after a defragment, I've used a tool in mandrakes installer to resize a ntfs partition... |
| 01:36.23 | icydragonclaw | what else is there? ac97 codec? but I got that too, anything else? |
| 01:36.29 | bur[n]er | i have qtparted ;) |
| 01:36.32 | bur[n]er | nevermind |
| 01:36.49 | bur[n]er | i guess i gotta boot to windows and defrag... then boot back to linux for qtparted |
| 01:36.59 | mithrandi | hackeron: ah, I'm so asleep here I didn't even notice ;) |
| 01:37.11 | tcsetattr | I can't find any driver that matches "Intel 82820" or "Camino" |
| 01:37.20 | delire | bur[n]er: parted or ntfstool if ntfs |
| 01:37.24 | icydragonclaw | it worked fine in redhat |
| 01:37.32 | tcsetattr | maybe this one: |
| 01:37.32 | tcsetattr | dep_tristate ' Intel ICH (i8xx), SiS 7012, NVidia nForce Audio or AMD 768/811x' CONFIG_SOUND_ICH $CONFIG_PCI |
| 01:37.38 | tcsetattr | the i810_audio |
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| 01:37.43 | icydragonclaw | I have that one as well |
| 01:37.46 | icydragonclaw | any others? |
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| 01:37.57 | icydragonclaw | I have all 3 of those loaded right now |
| 01:37.57 | bahamat | tcsetattr: what kind of device is it? |
| 01:38.04 | tcsetattr | that's the closest thing I could find |
| 01:38.05 | bur[n]er | thanks for the help |
| 01:38.07 | icydragonclaw | it is my sound device |
| 01:38.20 | icydragonclaw | Intel Corp. 82820 820 (Camino 2) Chipset AC'97 Audio Controller |
| 01:38.34 | tcsetattr | icydragonclaw, have you tried sndconfig? |
| 01:38.46 | icydragonclaw | I have not |
| 01:38.59 | bur[n]er | can parted resize ext3?? |
| 01:39.10 | tcsetattr | hmm, it appears sndconfig is mainly used for detecting ISA PNP cards |
| 01:39.11 | bur[n]er | using qtparted.. the resize is grayed out :\ |
| 01:39.23 | tcsetattr | but maybe it can handle some PCI cards too |
| 01:39.25 | icydragonclaw | I don't think I have a sndconfig |
| 01:39.28 | delire | bur[n]er: yes |
| 01:39.31 | tcsetattr | apt-get install sndconfig |
| 01:39.34 | sgeigerbot | bur[n]er: yes |
| 01:39.35 | icydragonclaw | installing |
| 01:39.48 | delire | bur[n]er: ext2 ext3 fat fat32 |
| 01:40.13 | bur[n]er | wtll wtf... |
| 01:40.18 | bur[n]er | do i need e2tools? |
| 01:40.19 | delire | possible reiserfs with some libs |
| 01:40.41 | sgeigerbot | bur[n]er: btw, try qtpared if you haven't |
| 01:40.49 | bur[n]er | that's what i'm using |
| 01:40.54 | sgeigerbot | bur[n]er: just use knoppix |
| 01:40.56 | deck | does anyone have the problem where the mouse goes all crazy when using 2.6 kernel |
| 01:40.57 | bur[n]er | [18:41] < bur[n]er> using qtparted.. the resize is grayed out :\ |
| 01:40.59 | QvQ | What is a certain method for determining what version of gnome one has and is currently runnign within Debian ? |
| 01:40.59 | bur[n]er | i am |
| 01:41.00 | bur[n]er | heh |
| 01:41.04 | delire | sgeigerbot: hehe |
| 01:41.07 | tcsetattr | QvQ, dpkg -l | grep gnome |
| 01:41.10 | bur[n]er | the ext3 resize is grayed out |
| 01:41.11 | icydragonclaw | it said it found it when running sndconfig but it says the following error occurred playing the sample: (blank) |
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| 01:41.23 | delire | ok ok! enough of my palanderings |
| 01:41.36 | sgeigerbot | delire: sussudio love you long time, 5 dollah |
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| 01:42.11 | delire | sgeigerbot: sussudio gave me the google stick, he no thing delire au go go |
| 01:42.30 | sussudio | !bugger delire |
| 01:42.37 | delire | sussudio: bastard! |
| 01:42.56 | delire | sussudio: an innocent "isn't it funny" and you beat me with the google stick! |
| 01:42.58 | fosten | is anyone available to help out? trying to setup debian gateway to handle dhcp for my wireless router |
| 01:43.00 | QvQ | Why do I see gnome 46 |
| 01:43.02 | delire | bastardosos |
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| 01:43.17 | QvQ | Instead of gnome 2.4.1 ? |
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| 01:43.32 | parax | hi there |
| 01:43.56 | delire | QvQ: why do i see gnome? better than "I See Dead People" |
| 01:44.23 | QvQ | delire - :) no. Why do I see gnome with the number 46 beside it instead of gnome 2.4.1 ? |
| 01:44.33 | icydragonclaw | my sound doesn't work for anything |
| 01:44.39 | sgeigerbot | ~srt sussudio |
| 01:44.40 | QvQ | I also see the number 46 beside other parts of gnome |
| 01:44.41 | delire | QvQ: i doubt you have gnome v 46.0 ;) |
| 01:44.46 | parax | font problems in a clean Sid... some of them are "squared". dpkg-reconfigure fontcofig has no effect. ¿any idea? |
| 01:44.46 | tcsetattr | icy, tried a google search? |
| 01:44.55 | icydragonclaw | nope I'll try |
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| 01:45.01 | QvQ | I agree. There is obviously something terribly wrong |
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| 01:45.21 | QvQ | Would I be better off apt-get remove gnome ? |
| 01:45.36 | QvQ | and then doing an apt-get install gnome / |
| 01:45.38 | QvQ | ? |
| 01:45.39 | delire | QvQ: not terribly wrong.. dpkg -l gnome-something to get a version |
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| 01:45.59 | tcsetattr | QvQ, can you do a dpkg -l | grep gnome and paste the whole thing into #flood |
| 01:46.23 | QvQ | delire - but the number 46 does indeed appear beside several componnents in the dpkg -l | less list |
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| 01:47.17 | parax | somebody has this font problem?: http://www.softlian.com/~carlosparamio/pantallazo.png |
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| 01:48.06 | tcsetattr | he's not kidding. he actually has "gnome" with a version of "46"! |
| 01:48.07 | QvQ | delire I posted to #Flood |
| 01:48.13 | tcsetattr | that's pretty danm weird |
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| 01:48.38 | delire | QvQ: paste again? |
| 01:48.59 | QvQ | delire ok. I will get disconnected but will rejoin THIS channel. |
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| 01:49.04 | Knave | does anyone know how i can verify what versin of kernel sources i have installed? I installed using "apt-get install" |
| 01:49.24 | sin-bad | Knave: go to /usr/src/ and look |
| 01:50.03 | tiax | Knave: dpkg --list|grep kernel-source |
| 01:50.14 | zekoZeko | anyone familiar with d-i here? I've got a problem with beta2, it can't install libgcrypt7 to the install target. |
| 01:50.14 | delire | QvQ: weird.. i would take that to #gnome |
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| 01:50.17 | delire | QvQ: weird.. i would take that to #gnome |
| 01:50.31 | ygnome | QvQ: hey, me too. |
| 01:50.35 | tcsetattr | it looks like a corrupt dpkg database to me |
| 01:50.39 | QvQ | delire so as you can see, I did indeed have gnome 2.4.1 up and running. |
| 01:50.41 | sin-bad | its probably some kind of a time warp. gnome from the future. |
| 01:50.46 | QvQ | I was VERY happy with it |
| 01:50.54 | delire | QvQ: sin-bad: i believe you're right |
| 01:50.55 | mithrandi | QvQ, tcsetattr: maybe something weird in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 01:51.06 | QvQ | Well, over at #Gnome they suggested I shouldn't use Debian. |
| 01:51.15 | QvQ | not on this server mind you |
| 01:51.16 | delire | Attack of the Fourth Dimensional GNome |
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| 01:51.35 | QvQ | yes |
| 01:51.37 | tcsetattr | the weird thing is he has a package called "gnome" installed. |
| 01:51.50 | tcsetattr | I don't see a package called "gnome" at all |
| 01:51.57 | QvQ | mithrandi - I did have something different with sources.list |
| 01:51.58 | delire | HyperGnome.. see him twist through your temporaility on a string theory |
| 01:52.00 | tcsetattr | gnome-session, gnome-core, etc. but not "gnome" |
| 01:52.03 | mithrandi | tcsetattr: actually |
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| 01:52.13 | mithrandi | tcsetattr: apt-cache on my system shows a package called gnome |
| 01:52.17 | mithrandi | tcsetattr: available at version '46' |
| 01:52.19 | QvQ | when I did the install originally, I had woody stable, |
| 01:52.20 | QvQ | BUT |
| 01:52.36 | Nurbs | now you're older and it's not stable anymore? |
| 01:52.38 | Nurbs | sorry. |
| 01:52.41 | delire | anyway, time to watch japanese horror. |
| 01:52.44 | mithrandi | tcsetattr: I can paste in #flood if you're interested ;) |
| 01:52.45 | QvQ | When I installed x, gnome and kde, I changed the sources.list to DIS |
| 01:52.49 | QvQ | SID |
| 01:53.04 | tcsetattr | wow, version 46 ... is that sarge or sid? |
| 01:53.27 | mithrandi | tcsetattr: sid |
| 01:53.30 | tcsetattr | I'd like to see dpkg -s gnome | grep Source |
| 01:53.31 | QvQ | tcsetattr - Well, that's where I have the problem. |
| 01:53.33 | mithrandi | tcsetattr: it's just a meta package, I think |
| 01:53.35 | ygnome | QvQ: I have a gnome-core version 46 installed, you are not alone... |
| 01:53.46 | mithrandi | tcsetattr: Source: meta-gnome2 |
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| 01:53.52 | tcsetattr | QvQ, maybe it's nto as bad as I though |
| 01:53.53 | mithrandi | tcsetattr: (I don't have it installed) |
| 01:54.00 | tcsetattr | these other unstable users have it |
| 01:54.08 | QvQ | ygnome - Wow...so I am not as foolish as I was beginning to believe then. |
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| 01:54.15 | mithrandi | tcsetattr: it depends on stuff like gnome-desktop-environment (= 46) |
| 01:54.36 | ygnome | QvQ: I never looked, but it is only gnome-core. unstable. |
| 01:54.49 | QvQ | So, how do I undo this terrible mess, I seem to find myself in ? |
| 01:54.59 | mithrandi | QvQ: what exactly is the problem? |
| 01:55.03 | ygnome | QvQ: is it broken? mine isn't? |
| 01:55.25 | QvQ | mithrandi - I had an exquisite gnome desktop running. 2.4.1 |
| 01:55.42 | QvQ | I did a apt-get upgrade and all heck happened. |
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| 01:56.01 | icydragonclaw | aumix says error opening mixer |
| 01:56.13 | mithrandi | QvQ: how are you running gnome? |
| 01:56.15 | ygnome | QvQ: are u on unstable too? |
| 01:56.19 | Knave | Where can i find the debian source for 2.4.18-1-386? i have the wrong source installed... i had 2.4.18-14.2 installed... |
| 01:56.23 | QvQ | I hve this snone of the terminal windows has controls on them. None of the dapp windows has controls on them |
| 01:56.24 | Knave | And i cant seem to find the right one |
| 01:56.39 | Nezzie_home | hmm ... mysql is a complete fuck up on my system how do i remove ALL instances so i can reinstall and try again |
| 01:56.51 | mithrandi | QvQ: are you using a display manager like gdm / xdm / etc., or are you starting X manually with startx? |
| 01:57.01 | QvQ | yes. I am using gdm |
| 01:57.20 | xmas | Knave, have you run apt-get update ? |
| 01:57.24 | mithrandi | QvQ: ok, iirc gdm asks you to select a session manager |
| 01:57.31 | mithrandi | QvQ: what do you have selected there? |
| 01:57.37 | Knave | no, didnt know if it.. |
| 01:57.42 | tcsetattr | QvQ, try running "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" |
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| 01:58.06 | xmas | Knave, run that and it will update the list of packages available on your machine... |
| 01:58.16 | Knave | ok, its doing that now. |
| 01:58.20 | QvQ | tcsetattr - with "stable" or "unstable" in souces.list ? |
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| 01:58.24 | Knave | done.. What now? |
| 01:58.29 | tcsetattr | don't matter |
| 01:58.39 | mithrandi | QvQ: it basically sounds like you're not getting a window manager |
| 01:58.42 | xmas | Knave, now search for the kernel package like you did before. |
| 01:58.42 | icydragonclaw | anyone know what the problem might be when running aumix yields error opening mixer? |
| 01:58.49 | mithrandi | QvQ: what window manager were you using before everything broke? |
| 01:58.53 | tcsetattr | update-alternatives doesn't download anything. Just try it. "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" |
| 01:59.09 | Knave | xmas: nope, still doesnt show up... |
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| 01:59.47 | xmas | Knave, well, that's all I know. Sorry. I'm new here... :-P |
| 01:59.55 | Knave | its ok.. im newer ;) i understand... |
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| 02:00.48 | QvQ | tcsetattr seems to have some hints. |
| 02:01.05 | QvQ | Sawfish WAS selected with a + sign and asterisk beside it. |
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| 02:01.09 | tcsetattr | so how'd it go? |
| 02:01.13 | QvQ | I changed it to enlightenment |
| 02:01.18 | tcsetattr | uh huh... |
| 02:01.25 | QvQ | now I am in the process of rebooting the PC |
| 02:01.29 | tcsetattr | and enlightenment worked? |
| 02:01.35 | tcsetattr | rebooting?! |
| 02:01.40 | tiax | QvQ: rebooting? |
| 02:01.49 | tcsetattr | must be a windoze user :) |
| 02:01.55 | ygnome | :) |
| 02:01.58 | QvQ | dunno yet. Its still rebooting. Its an older box witjh only a K6 233 in it |
| 02:02.00 | tcsetattr | A gnat farted in the vicinity of your computer. You must reboot. |
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| 02:02.21 | aZ[a]ZeL | re...boot? what's that? |
| 02:02.21 | tiax | QvQ: why did you reboot? you don't have to... |
| 02:02.33 | aZ[a]ZeL | oh its what you do when you upgrade your kernel... |
| 02:02.49 | QvQ | I was gonna do a [Ctrl] [Alt] [Backspace] to resttart xwindows |
| 02:03.03 | tcsetattr | that would have been a better move |
| 02:03.06 | QvQ | but I hit control alt delete instead |
| 02:03.10 | mithrandi | aZ[a]ZeL: yeah, I do it once or twice a day ;) |
| 02:03.12 | tcsetattr | oh, ha |
| 02:03.49 | ygnome | QvQ: I think you can turn that off in inittab if you want to... |
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| 02:04.27 | QvQ | tcsetattr - How odd. sawfish is still run as the default window manager |
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| 02:04.39 | tcsetattr | you have it in your ~/.xsession? |
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| 02:04.46 | mithrandi | QvQ: which session are you using in gdm? |
| 02:04.51 | icydragonclaw | what is an alternative to aumixer? |
| 02:04.55 | mithrandi | QvQ: "Gnome", or "Debian"? |
| 02:04.59 | icydragonclaw | or aumix rather |
| 02:05.05 | Nezzie_ | how do i remove mysql |
| 02:05.07 | QvQ | mithrandi - yes, that's what I thought I was using. |
| 02:05.24 | mithrandi | QvQ: um, that was a binary question; which one are you using? |
| 02:05.29 | tcsetattr | once again, that was a multiple choice question, not true or false |
| 02:05.43 | mithrandi | "Gnome" runs gnome-session, "Debian" just runs your ~/.xsession |
| 02:05.47 | icydragonclaw | hi how are you what is an alternative to aumix? |
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| 02:06.05 | zinx | icydragonclaw: hi i am doing fine have you tried alsamixer |
| 02:06.11 | icydragonclaw | I have not, thanks |
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| 02:06.31 | hackeron | how do I echo something in a different colour? |
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| 02:06.33 | QvQ | mith |
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| 02:07.04 | ankit | Hey I fiddled with with Display in KDE Control and now I have a fuzzy screen |
| 02:07.07 | ankit | can anyone help me |
| 02:07.19 | QvQ | mithrandi - ps aux says I am running gdm |
| 02:07.23 | ankit | I want the default monitor back |
| 02:07.27 | drebin_2 | hi, in order to use my modem, I have to type "modprobe slamr" and "slmodemd --country=USA" every time I reboot. how can I do this automatically? |
| 02:07.28 | mithrandi | QvQ: right |
| 02:07.36 | tiax | drebin_2: try modconf |
| 02:07.37 | mithrandi | QvQ: now when you login with gdm, you get to choose which session you want to use |
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| 02:07.43 | QvQ | in fact gdm is listed twice with ps auxw |
| 02:07.44 | rich_ | hi |
| 02:07.45 | bahamat | hackeron: using control sequences |
| 02:07.49 | ankit | Anyone ther can help me |
| 02:07.53 | hackeron | bahamat: example please |
| 02:07.57 | tcsetattr | man |
| 02:08.06 | mithrandi | QvQ: I need to know which one you choose when you login |
| 02:08.06 | tcsetattr | I should be keeping a log of this irc channel |
| 02:08.15 | ankit | i need to get the defaults back for the display |
| 02:08.16 | icydragonclaw | I'm trying gamix I didn't see an alsamixer |
| 02:08.19 | QvQ | So how do I stop runnig sawfish and then run enlightenment ? |
| 02:08.20 | tcsetattr | with appropriate editing, it'd be a hilarious tribute to illiteracy |
| 02:08.34 | tcsetattr | QvQ, shut your god damn mouth and listen to mithrandi for 2 minutes |
| 02:08.36 | icydragonclaw | No ALSA device, can not make mixer |
| 02:08.46 | mithrandi | QvQ: the answer to that question will depend on the answer to the question I'm asking you |
| 02:08.50 | QvQ | mithrandi I choose gnome when I logged in to the graphical screen |
| 02:08.50 | tcsetattr | he's trying to help and you're not listening |
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| 02:08.50 | ankit | ANYONE THERE TO HELP ME PLEASE |
| 02:09.14 | mithrandi | QvQ: ok |
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| 02:09.35 | mithrandi | QvQ: let me just check something |
| 02:09.51 | icydragonclaw | sound is hopeless |
| 02:09.59 | QvQ | mithrandi thanks. I do appreciate the help from you and tcsetattr |
| 02:10.04 | tcsetattr | if the "Gnome session" doesn't execute your .xsession, then how does it decide what programs to start? |
| 02:10.08 | QvQ | this is really flumoxed me. |
| 02:10.12 | QvQ | has |
| 02:10.14 | greycat | tcsetattr: /etc/gdm/Sessions/Gnome |
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| 02:10.20 | tcsetattr | eek. |
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| 02:11.05 | sephail | Does anyone know what /K is (PPC) ... prw-r--r-- ... root/root ... 0 bytes ... |
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| 02:11.09 | sephail | cat K just hangs |
| 02:11.15 | icydragonclaw | does anyone have ac97 and have sound? |
| 02:11.21 | tcsetattr | sephail, that's a named pipe (FIFO) |
| 02:11.27 | hackeron | bahamat: ?? |
| 02:11.32 | QvQ | When I did an apt-get upgrade, it seemed to hang when it got to gnome. I hit control D anC and then re-ran it. |
| 02:11.33 | greycat | icydragonclaw: which one? VIA or i810? |
| 02:11.38 | QvQ | control C |
| 02:11.41 | sephail | tcsetattr: for what ? |
| 02:11.42 | QvQ | not D |
| 02:11.44 | Nezzie_ | can anyone help me: ... i have mysql on my machine and i want to remove it .. how do i do it so it remove clean |
| 02:11.51 | icydragonclaw | i810 |
| 02:11.53 | bahamat | hackeron: hackeron echo -e "\033[47m\033[1;37m White \033[0m 1;37m \033[40m\033[1;37m White \033[0m" |
| 02:11.53 | icydragonclaw | hello greycat |
| 02:11.54 | tcsetattr | sephail, if you're asking how it got there, I don't know. |
| 02:12.02 | greycat | icydragonclaw: load the i810_audio module. /msg dpkg sound |
| 02:12.07 | QvQ | That's where I think I really screwed things up |
| 02:12.17 | icydragonclaw | I've msged dpkg multiple times and done everything he's suggested |
| 02:12.19 | sephail | tcsetattr: no but i'm curious what it'd be for :) |
| 02:12.21 | hackeron | bahamat: hmm, I see, thanks :) |
| 02:12.26 | icydragonclaw | and I've loaded that modules |
| 02:12.32 | mithrandi | QvQ: I do that all the time, it just picks up where it left off |
| 02:12.36 | icydragonclaw | and ac97 and ac97_codec |
| 02:12.41 | bahamat | hackeron: I have an executable text file that will help you with the control codes |
| 02:12.43 | icydragonclaw | and logged out and back in and logged out and back in |
| 02:12.47 | tcsetattr | sephail I've never heard of someone having a FIFO called /K before. It's gotta be one of three things: 1. malicious intruder 2. buggy package 3. you made it by accident |
| 02:12.50 | icydragonclaw | and it doesn't work |
| 02:12.50 | QvQ | mithrandi 0- Well, that's what I had hoped would happen. |
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| 02:12.56 | bahamat | hackeron: http://overlook.digitalelf.net:81/~bahamat/ansi.gz |
| 02:13.01 | icydragonclaw | it might be b/c I don't have a mixer, b/c aumix doesn't work |
| 02:13.04 | icydragonclaw | neither did gamix |
| 02:13.10 | QvQ | but for some strange rason, things have been all screwed up since then. |
| 02:13.13 | mithrandi | QvQ: anyhow |
| 02:13.14 | hackeron | bahamat: thanks, checking it out :) |
| 02:13.19 | srw | Anyone using Mozilla with Java in unstable? Mozilla docs say it needs a later version of 1.4 than is currently in unstable. |
| 02:13.24 | mithrandi | QvQ: so you say sawfish is running? |
| 02:13.31 | QvQ | yes. |
| 02:13.31 | hackeron | bahamat: thanks, that's very useful :) |
| 02:13.37 | srw | Java plugin that is.... |
| 02:13.47 | icydragonclaw | greycat I've done that |
| 02:13.50 | QvQ | When I log in, sawfish is the box on the screen. It is labeld as such |
| 02:13.51 | mithrandi | QvQ: try just running 'enlightenment' at a prompt |
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| 02:14.00 | sephail | tcsetattr: 1... freshly ext3'd partition (was there following installation)... 2...possibly?... 3...i didn't make it :) |
| 02:14.01 | QvQ | ok |
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| 02:14.33 | mithrandi | ls |
| 02:14.36 | mithrandi | err, *blush* |
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| 02:14.40 | tcsetattr | sephail, do an ls -l , ls -lc , and ls -lu on it |
| 02:14.55 | tcsetattr | the timestamps should help you figure out when it was put there |
| 02:15.20 | tcsetattr | which will be a step toward finding out why it got put there |
| 02:15.30 | sephail | tcsetattr: yea ... the day i installed debian (and the slew of packages afterwords) |
| 02:15.34 | Justin_ | !test |
| 02:15.34 | dpkg | Yes, justin_, you're still online. |
| 02:15.36 | icydragonclaw | greycat I've done that |
| 02:15.51 | tcsetattr | sephail, I'd suggest you just remove it and hope it doesn't come back :) |
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| 02:16.26 | mithrandi | (so I guess it's an enlightenment thingy) |
| 02:16.27 | mithrandi | Changing "WM=gnome-wm" to "WM=icewm-gnome" had no effect. However, going |
| 02:16.30 | sephail | tcsetattr: how are they created and what for? |
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| 02:16.41 | icydragonclaw | grr |
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| 02:16.50 | tcsetattr | sephail, in general a named pipe is created for communication between unrelated processes |
| 02:17.06 | tcsetattr | one process writes data to the pipe, and another process reads it |
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| 02:17.24 | sephail | ah okay i see |
| 02:17.26 | tcsetattr | that's why your "cat /K" didn't do anything - it was waiting for some other process to write something to the pipe |
| 02:17.37 | sephail | theres one in /etc/init.d to |
| 02:17.38 | sephail | wtf |
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| 02:18.36 | icydragonclaw | alright I have ac97, ac97_codec, and i810_audio. I'm in the group audio, I'm logging out and back in, and it's not going to work, and I'm not going to be surprised, and then I'll still be fuqd |
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| 02:19.20 | Nezzie_ | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. |
| 02:19.21 | Nezzie_ | .. how do i upgrade the 5? |
| 02:19.35 | Gnea | Nezzie_: that with apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:19.42 | Nezzie_ | gnea yeah |
| 02:19.45 | QvQ | mithrandio - running enlightenment at the command line as the user does not seem to work |
| 02:19.45 | tcsetattr | Nezzie, do an apt-get -u upgrade, and it'll tell you what the packages are |
| 02:19.47 | Gnea | try apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 02:19.51 | QvQ | mithrandi |
| 02:19.54 | tcsetattr | or try the dist-upgrade |
| 02:20.19 | Gnea | QvQ: you need to write a ~/.xsession file then |
| 02:20.23 | tcsetattr | QvQ, I believe he expected it to generate an error message. What was the error message? |
| 02:20.30 | QvQ | it gives me an option F1 to have enlightenment change the file, I chose that but restarting X windows still runs sawfish |
| 02:20.34 | Gnea | QvQ: like this: |
| 02:20.38 | Gnea | #!/bin/sh |
| 02:20.42 | tcsetattr | it should have said something like "There is already a window manager running on screen 0" |
| 02:20.45 | Nezzie_ | hmm anyone know how to install mysql or can atleast give me a comprehensive website tutorial becuase my current set up is a complete clusterfuck no matter what i do |
| 02:20.46 | Gnea | exec /usr/bin/enlightenment |
| 02:21.07 | Gnea | QvQ: just chmod 700 that file then login to gdm using Xsession as the session |
| 02:21.07 | Octalthorpe | Nezziie: Installing probably isn't the problem. What are you trying to do, and what is it doing wrong? |
| 02:21.14 | kytec | anyone have patience to help a unix newbie |
| 02:21.23 | Octalthorpe | ~tell kytec about ask |
| 02:21.24 | Gnea | !tell kytec about ask |
| 02:21.30 | bisc0tti | I've got my laptop here dual booting with xp and debian but am having trouble getting my cisco 350 card to grab an ip address from my AP via dhcp. I believe my /etc/interfaces is right but can anyone tell me any gotchas I might have to watch out for? |
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| 02:21.32 | QvQ | Gnea - as the user a pop up screen appears offering me the abilityh to edit the xsession file but choosing that option F1 does not seem to make a difference,. |
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| 02:21.48 | Nezzie_ | octalthorpe: i've installed mysql 3 different ways ... and when i try and use it i get all kinds of login errors and just a bunch of different errors i'm using it in conjunciton with myphpadmin and that can never log in |
| 02:22.00 | Octalthorpe | bisc0tti : I don't think there's anything particularly tricky. /msg me your interfaces file. |
| 02:22.01 | Gnea | QvQ: no, you have to ctrl-alt-f1 and login to the console to do this |
| 02:22.14 | QvQ | oh ! |
| 02:22.36 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_: Try using mysql-navigator to administer it (That's what I do)- And I'm not really sure what the problem could be. You should be able to login as root with your root password straight off. |
| 02:22.44 | Gnea | QvQ: what, you didn't know about that? :) |
| 02:22.59 | Nezzie_ | octalthorpe: its a requirement i use phpmyadmin |
| 02:23.16 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_: ..Okay, then. So it doesn't work logging in as root with the proper password? |
| 02:23.30 | kytec | I am trying to use an updated install of apache but don't know how to convert system from previous install |
| 02:23.36 | Nezzie_ | no it doesn't work period .. i can't get the server to start even with /etc/init.d/mysql.server start |
| 02:23.40 | bisc0tti | Octalthorpe: hmmm...unfortunately I will have to reboot into debian and write it down. but that's not a bad idea I guess. back in a few. Thanks! |
| 02:23.49 | Octalthorpe | bisc0tti : Take your time. |
| 02:23.55 | bisc0tti | :- |
| 02:24.00 | bisc0tti | :-) |
| 02:24.03 | bisc0tti | ooops |
| 02:24.14 | Nezzie_ | octalthorpe: ... so i've decided to start clean i'm trying to remove/uninstall ALL instances/versions/traces of mysql and reinstall |
| 02:24.24 | Galapas | My machine froze in the middle of an apt-get upgrade, in the middle of the configuration portion... now X refuses to start the logs say it is catching a signal 11... I ran dpkg --configure -a and that didn't help anything.. any ideas? |
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| 02:24.48 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_ : If you did it the debian way, apt-get --purge remove mysql should handle it. |
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| 02:25.09 | obake | is mozilla-thunderbird 0.5-2 working ? |
| 02:25.11 | Gnea | Galapas: apt-get -f install, apt-get upgrade |
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| 02:25.14 | Nezzie_ | octalthorpe: like i said i installed mysql 3 different ways, apt-get, compiled, and already compiled |
| 02:25.15 | obake | i start it and it shows nothing |
| 02:25.22 | Galapas | I'll try that.. |
| 02:25.30 | Gnea | obake: well yeah, you need to configure it |
| 02:25.35 | QvQ | Gnea - logging into a console and running enlightenment from the command line give me the message |
| 02:25.46 | obake | Gnea: yes, even in a upgrade? |
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| 02:26.01 | Gnea | QvQ: enlightenment is an X app, it runs only from X - you need to follow the directions i gave you for ~/.xsession |
| 02:26.04 | obake | i thought it would keep the config files |
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| 02:26.22 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_: Well, as far as I know, apt-get installing and starting it up should do the trick. Are you sure the problem isn't with myphpadmin? |
| 02:26.27 | Gnea | obake: *shrug* i've never used it... checked your dot files in ~ ? |
| 02:26.28 | icydragonclaw | my sound work |
| 02:26.29 | icydragonclaw | loln |
| 02:26.33 | icydragonclaw | cheers m8 |
| 02:26.39 | obake | nope |
| 02:26.53 | reaper- | is there any way to allow sftp type file transfer without allowing a shell login? |
| 02:26.57 | Gnea | might wanna do that.. :) |
| 02:26.57 | QvQ | yikes.. I am running dsirc and have no buffer |
| 02:26.57 | reaper- | or any kind of encrypted ftp |
| 02:27.09 | Galapas | Gnea: That just said there was 0 to upgraded 0 newly installed...etc... |
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| 02:27.19 | QvQ | Gnea what were your instructins for .xsession ? |
| 02:27.19 | Octalthorpe | reaper- : ftp... |
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| 02:27.39 | Octalthorpe | reaper- : sftp uses cat through ssh, so I think you have to have a shell. (I could be wrong) |
| 02:27.44 | reaper- | yeah you're right |
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| 02:28.00 | reaper- | i want to remotely put files on my server from random places |
| 02:28.07 | reaper- | so i wanted something anonymous and writable |
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| 02:28.10 | obake | Gnea: i removed the .mozilla-thunderbird |
| 02:28.11 | reaper- | but encrypted preferrably |
| 02:28.13 | Gnea | QvQ: didn't want to flood the chan |
| 02:28.15 | sephail | tcsetattr: hrm, howcome 'unrelated processes' don't just use temporary files or sockets to communicate, whats the advantage of fifos ? |
| 02:28.20 | QvQ | Ah.. good idea ! |
| 02:28.20 | obake | now it shows up an window named Account Wizard |
| 02:28.23 | obake | with nothing inside |
| 02:28.28 | Nezzie_ | octalthorpe: okay so if i type apt-get install mysql ... it will be all done? |
| 02:28.29 | obake | just grey space |
| 02:28.35 | obake | crap :~ |
| 02:28.39 | QvQ | gonna try that |
| 02:28.39 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie: ..That's what I did, I believe. |
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| 02:28.43 | Gnea | obake: oh well that's your problem, you just killed any prefs you might have had |
| 02:28.55 | obake | but |
| 02:28.56 | Nezzie_ | no configuring what so ever |
| 02:28.58 | obake | yes i did |
| 02:29.01 | tcsetattr | sephail, the advantage of FIFOs over sockets is something you discovered: you can cat a FIFO. You can't use ordinary file tools like cat on a socket. |
| 02:29.03 | obake | but it should show up anything |
| 02:29.09 | obake | in the windows |
| 02:29.13 | Gnea | no |
| 02:29.13 | obake | but they-re blank |
| 02:29.20 | Gnea | when you kill your config you kill your config |
| 02:29.23 | aZ[a]ZeL | tcsetattr: you have the geekiest nick, ever. |
| 02:29.24 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_: I don't think so. |
| 02:29.26 | tcsetattr | but basically, FIFOs are one-way rather than two-way so sockets are more powerful |
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| 02:30.00 | sephail | tcsetattr: okay thanks :) |
| 02:30.06 | Octalthorpe | aZ[a]ZeL : Mine is an obscure name for a printable characters. How is that not geeky? |
| 02:30.09 | tcsetattr | FIFOs for simplicity when you have one writer and one reader. sockets for more complicated stuff. |
| 02:30.30 | aZ[a]ZeL | Octalthorpe: you win |
| 02:30.32 | tcsetattr | I've been sitting here thinking... that should be OCTOthorpe |
| 02:30.33 | QvQ | FINALLY |
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| 02:30.42 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:30.47 | QvQ | I finally have enlightenment running as a user |
| 02:30.48 | tcsetattr | the hash mark / number sign / pound sign |
| 02:30.55 | tcsetattr | is called octothorpe... |
| 02:30.59 | aZ[a]ZeL | Ive used tcsetattr when I was writing a program to talk to my modem |
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| 02:31.08 | QvQ | oh my.. this was a frustrating experince for me |
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| 02:31.14 | icydragonclaw | how I stop dhcpd |
| 02:31.20 | Gnea | QvQ: yeah.. no desktop icons, but it's really cool nonetheless |
| 02:31.24 | Octalthorpe | tcsetattr : Octalthorpe is an accepted spelling. |
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| 02:31.32 | tcsetattr | ok then :) |
| 02:31.34 | nxtw | wow. what a nerd. |
| 02:31.42 | QvQ | well,, I'm gonna look around in this and see if I can get things working. |
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| 02:32.02 | Octalthorpe | tcsetattr : You also forgot crosshatch and tic-tac-toe. |
| 02:32.03 | holycow | anyone know if its possible to use user:pass in sources.list for ftp access? i've tried everything and theres nothing on google... anyone know? |
| 02:32.03 | tcsetattr | do you have a friend named "Solidus"? or is it "Virgule"? |
| 02:32.12 | drebin | hi, i used "modconf" to load a module at each start of my computer. unfortunately I cannot remove this module, because my kernel does not suppert removing modules. how do i change that? |
| 02:32.13 | Gnea | QvQ: it's not difficult.. good luck |
| 02:32.15 | Nezzie_ | apt-get install mysql |
| 02:32.15 | Nezzie_ | E: Package mysql has no installation candidate |
| 02:32.25 | QvQ | I'm still totally confused as toi why gnome is all mucked up |
| 02:32.26 | reaper- | whats the most secure ftpd out there? |
| 02:32.31 | reaper- | least amount of remote holes, ala wuftpd |
| 02:32.35 | Gnea | drebin: man modprobe |
| 02:32.38 | Octalthorpe | reaper- : vsftpd is pretty secure. |
| 02:32.41 | reaper- | k |
| 02:32.43 | Knave | How would i add: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/proposed-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages into my sources.list for apt get? |
| 02:32.48 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_: What are you tracking? |
| 02:32.54 | Nezzie_ | octalthorpe: thats wierd there is no package for mysql .. any other ideas |
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| 02:33.05 | drebin | Gnea: modprobe -r <module> -> kernel does not support to remove a module |
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| 02:33.18 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_: Oh, it's mysql-server. |
| 02:33.30 | Nezzie_ | l |
| 02:33.31 | Nezzie_ | k |
| 02:33.33 | Gnea | drebin: if you didn't build module-support into the kernel, then no, it won't unload |
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| 02:33.41 | tcsetattr | drebin, it's an option in 2.6, under "General kernel options" |
| 02:33.49 | obake | yes.. when i kill my config i kill my config |
| 02:33.49 | obake | then mozilla creates another in the next $ mozilla-thunderbird |
| 02:33.49 | obake | ok |
| 02:33.49 | obake | Gnea: i removed it completely (including purge) and reinstalled it |
| 02:33.49 | obake | now it's working |
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| 02:33.49 | Gnea | then again it shouldn't load to begin with |
| 02:33.51 | Gnea | oooh |
| 02:33.55 | Gnea | a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:34.00 | drebin | tcsetattr: thank you |
| 02:34.07 | aZ[a]ZeL | I might change my name to vsnprintf |
| 02:34.08 | Gnea | i don't fuck with that shit yet |
| 02:34.08 | drebin | Gnea: yes, sorry |
| 02:34.10 | tcsetattr | 2.6 can be configured to support loading modules but not unloading them! |
| 02:34.15 | aZ[a]ZeL | hmm not nerdy enough... |
| 02:34.18 | mithrandi | er, doh |
| 02:34.20 | Gnea | that's kinda cool |
| 02:34.27 | tcsetattr | it's bizarre. probably considered a security feature or something |
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| 02:34.52 | Gnea | aZ[a]ZeL: you have brackets in your name already. change it and you lose your geekiness. :P |
| 02:34.55 | tcsetattr | because of the race conditions that sometimes show up with module unloading |
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| 02:35.31 | mithrandi | sorry about my random spew earlier, I killed my wm, couldn't focus windows properly, and accientally pasted stuff |
| 02:35.32 | Nezzie_ | octalthorpe: okay its installed now what? how do i get in it to set root password and such? and how do i test to make sure it starts up on boot |
| 02:35.34 | Gnea | dare i ask if there's a way to modularize that? ;) |
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| 02:35.52 | tcsetattr | hehe, load the module that knows how to unload modules |
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| 02:35.57 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 02:36.00 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_: Root password defaults to your system's root password, I believe. |
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| 02:36.15 | Nezzie_ | octalthorpe can i msg you .. i got a weird apt install message |
| 02:36.20 | Octalthorpe | Okay. |
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| 02:36.56 | mithrandi | Nezzie_, Octalthorpe: actually, I think mysql defaults to a blank root password |
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| 02:37.38 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_: See what happens when you do apt-get --purge remove mysql-server |
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| 02:38.22 | sussudio | Octalthorpe: a kvm? |
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| 02:38.37 | mithrandi | hmm, udev rocks |
| 02:38.37 | fitz | heya.. I've just compiled kernel 2.6.3, and when I tried to install it, I get tons of unresovled symbols with the netfileter modules... anyone know what I've done wrong? |
| 02:38.37 | Octalthorpe | sussudio : Well, one that works over the network. |
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| 02:38.45 | aZ[a]ZeL | MACINTOSH: Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs |
| 02:38.48 | Nezzie_ | back |
| 02:38.49 | sussudio | Octalthorpe: kvm + kvm extender? |
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| 02:38.53 | Knave | Where can i find the debian source for 2.4.18-1-386? i have the wrong source installed... i had 2.4.18-14.2 installed... |
| 02:39.00 | icydragonclaw | hey you know what my sound problem was? I have brooktree module for t.v. card that was installin a mixer and so aumix wouldn't work |
| 02:39.03 | Octalthorpe | KVM extender, you say? |
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| 02:39.12 | Nezzie_ | octalthorpe did you get my msg? |
| 02:39.22 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_: I got 'damn' |
| 02:39.30 | sussudio | Octalthorpe: yeah, you hook it up to the kvm and out comes cat5. |
| 02:39.30 | wethion | Is there a utility in debian that'll probe serial ports for devices? |
| 02:39.42 | Octalthorpe | sussudio : Does it actually work over IP? |
| 02:39.43 | Nezzie_ | how about that? |
| 02:39.48 | Octalthorpe | Yup. |
| 02:39.54 | sussudio | Octalthorpe: *shrug*. it's kinda pricey though, like $400. |
| 02:39.58 | Octalthorpe | Ew. |
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| 02:40.15 | Octalthorpe | s/KVM/VNC/ |
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| 02:40.45 | tcsetattr | damn wrong channel again |
| 02:40.47 | tcsetattr | wethion, you have a mystery device? or you just trying to figure out which serial port has something plugged in? |
| 02:41.07 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_: remove /var/log/mysql, /var/lib/mysql, and all the '[KS][0-9]{2}mysql' symlinks in /etc/rc[0-9].d, and /etc/init.d/mysql if it exists. |
| 02:41.20 | Nezzie_ | octalthorpe: how? |
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| 02:41.27 | FieldySnuts | uh man rm |
| 02:41.30 | Airbatica | Trying a floppy disk network install with the 20040209 diskset, but there don't seem to be any IDE modules.... any Ideas? |
| 02:41.48 | wethion | tcsetattr: trying to find out what serial port my mouse is plugged into... My ps2 mouse hosed, and I've got a serial mouse plugged for a replacement. |
| 02:41.49 | likosin | K3b freezes when it gets to the 'creating GUI' part. Running it in the console produces the following error, twice: QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used |
| 02:42.11 | tcsetattr | wethion, try statserial |
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| 02:43.05 | tcsetattr | I think the serial mouse will light up the DTR |
| 02:43.26 | wethion | tcsetattr: thanks.. DTR? |
| 02:43.45 | tcsetattr | DTR is one of the pins on the serial port. statserial tells you which lines/pins are active |
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| 02:44.13 | aZ[a]ZeL | Shit I wish I was back in Europe again |
| 02:44.14 | Mag007 | i have a Gigafast router, and I can't seem to open up Yahoo mail, or even compose it. The webpage just freezes. Hotmail does not work either. Anyone have this problem? |
| 02:44.19 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_: Okay, apt-get install mysql-server |
| 02:44.22 | aZ[a]ZeL | hate work, hate home...bah |
| 02:44.22 | Nezzie_ | k |
| 02:44.40 | tcsetattr | so you run statserial /dev/ttyS0 and plug in the mouse, see if it activates DTR (or any others) |
| 02:44.40 | mithrandi | when trying to mount tmpfs, I get this: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on tmpfs, or too many mounted file systems; any ideas? |
| 02:44.44 | Octalthorpe | Mag007 : What browser? |
| 02:44.59 | wethion | tcsetattr: thanks again.. I have to tell you, you've been a huge help over this past week or so. So, again, thank you very much. |
| 02:45.07 | Nezzie_ | oh boy it brought up a whole window .. i guess i underestemaited the power of apt ... |
| 02:45.07 | Mag007 | Octalthorpe, firebird/mozilla/IE |
| 02:45.12 | bancus | Anyone here with a VIA VT8235 south bridge and might be able to tell me which driver I need for the integrated ethernet? |
| 02:45.17 | tcsetattr | /proc/filesystems shows tmpfs as supported? |
| 02:45.18 | `Xenocide | yarg, im regretting moving to x4.3 not much noticable gain and the emacs font got bigger =( |
| 02:45.21 | bancus | I'm poking around via google, but it's not turning up. |
| 02:45.22 | Octalthorpe | Mag007 : Do you have any reason to believe the problem has ANYTHING to do with Debian? |
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| 02:45.50 | Mag007 | Octalthorpe, nope. It does it in Debian, and Windows, SuSE and also FBSd :-( |
| 02:45.54 | tcsetattr | bancus, do an "lspci" and look for the network controller, and report back here |
| 02:45.58 | vmd | having problems printing from linux... |
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| 02:46.04 | bancus | tcsetattr, it isn't installed yet |
| 02:46.07 | vmd | what migh it be? |
| 02:46.09 | davi | How to compile 2.6.3 in Debian unstable 'sid' ? |
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| 02:46.16 | bancus | tcsetattr, if I were to install it, I'd have no network support as of yet =P |
| 02:46.16 | Octalthorpe | Mag007 : You might want to contact Gigafast's tech support. |
| 02:46.20 | Octalthorpe | ~tell davi about compile kernel |
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| 02:46.24 | Flimzy | I never thought I'd actually be happy to have dialup Internet working again... but I am actually happy about it this time. |
| 02:46.24 | bancus | this is for my desktop machine |
| 02:46.27 | Mag007 | Octalthorpe, yea, I did. They were lost too :-( |
| 02:46.35 | Nezzie_ | sweet .. i guess it worked |
| 02:46.38 | davi | thanks Octalthorpe |
| 02:46.38 | Nezzie_ | how do i set a root user |
| 02:46.42 | Octalthorpe | Mag007 : Well, I don't think a Debian support channel is going to help you. |
| 02:46.43 | Mag007 | Octalthorpe, people had issues with other routers too, just wondering what they did to fix it. |
| 02:46.44 | Nezzie_ | i mean a root password |
| 02:46.49 | novapunkx | Can someone help me with these depency issues? configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 1.3.1 libgnomeui-2.0 >= 1.96.0 libglade-2.0 >= 1.99.2) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. |
| 02:46.56 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_: IT should be your system's root password by default, or no password. |
| 02:46.59 | Flimzy | Nezzie_: Same way you set any password. |
| 02:47.04 | Flimzy | Nezzie_: type 'passwd' |
| 02:47.05 | Octalthorpe | Mag007: I've never heard of a problem like that. |
| 02:47.09 | bancus | tcsetattr, the gigabit might be a Rhine-II, according to what I see |
| 02:47.13 | Octalthorpe | Flimzy : She meant for mySQL. |
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| 02:47.26 | Flimzy | Octalthorpe: oooh |
| 02:47.32 | Nezzie_ | octalthorpe: i'm a he =P |
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| 02:47.36 | Octalthorpe | Sorry. |
| 02:47.38 | Flimzy | novapunkx: apt-get upgdate; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:47.38 | Nezzie_ | =P |
| 02:47.44 | bito | somebody gives one counts to me for moments to test to tracker please of torrents? |
| 02:47.44 | Flimzy | s/upgdate/update/ |
| 02:47.52 | MarcoPau | is it possible to make alicq get the contact list from the icq server? |
| 02:47.53 | Nezzie_ | anyhow .. okay .. so now don't i need to do one for root@"%" or something? |
| 02:48.00 | `Xenocide | so, without starting a flame war (hopefully), anyone know how to change the font size emacs uses? |
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| 02:48.06 | Flimzy | dang... 12.4Kb/sec over this psuedo-dialup connection. not bad |
| 02:48.06 | Octalthorpe | MacroPau: Why don't you use gaim? |
| 02:48.09 | novapunkx | Flimzy: Did that no too long ago, like maybe 2 weeks at the most |
| 02:48.18 | Octalthorpe | `Xenocide : In console or xemacs or in a terminal window? |
| 02:48.27 | Flimzy | novapunkx: Unless you're using woody, 2 weeks is an eternity. |
| 02:48.37 | `Xenocide | its not xemacs i dont think |
| 02:48.42 | `Xenocide | but its not in a console |
| 02:48.51 | Octalthorpe | `Xenocide : Do you start it through xterm or gnome-terminal? |
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| 02:49.04 | `Xenocide | i started it through xterm |
| 02:49.13 | `Xenocide | but its gtk1 based |
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| 02:49.21 | novapunkx | Flimzy: Hehe... |
| 02:49.30 | Nezzie_ | holy shit: octalthorpe: YOUR A LIFE SAVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...grab a beer bro, you deserve it |
| 02:49.38 | VoX | when i'm starting my adsl connection, i get this error: pppoe[443]: read (asyncReadFromPPP): Session 891: |
| 02:49.39 | VoX | Input/output error |
| 02:49.42 | Nezzie_ | schwing |
| 02:49.44 | novapunkx | Flimzy: I try that, gonna be a while... Thanks. |
| 02:49.46 | VoX | any ideas? |
| 02:49.51 | Octalthorpe | Nezzie_ : I'm actually going to a kegger in a bit. |
| 02:49.53 | FieldySnuts | !lart Nezzie |
| 02:50.34 | Octalthorpe | `Xenocide : I believe that's xemacs. I don't know how to change the font. Probably something like alt-meta-shift-zxyf2. |
| 02:50.38 | Nezzie_ | alright .. well mission complete .. time for a juciy steak |
| 02:50.38 | Flimzy | VoX: looks like linenoise. |
| 02:50.41 | Flimzy | VoX: probably nothing to worry about. |
| 02:50.48 | Flimzy | VoX: It's probably beyond your control anyway. |
| 02:50.57 | srw | argh - Java browser plugins are driving me insane,,, |
| 02:50.57 | Nezzie_ | i use nano cause vim is to power ful |
| 02:51.02 | `Xenocide | "GNU Emacs 21.3.1 (i386-pc-linux-gnu) of 2003-10-31 on raven, modified by Debian" |
| 02:51.03 | sussudio | !tell Flimzy about enter |
| 02:51.11 | VoX | flimzy> heh err it gives that error then refuses to bring the dsl connection up :) |
| 02:51.18 | Flimzy | !tell susudio about STFU |
| 02:51.26 | Flimzy | VoX: Ah |
| 02:51.28 | VoX | Flimzy> there's a whole lot more it says |
| 02:51.38 | sussudio | !moron Flimzy |
| 02:51.39 | dpkg | Flimzy: You are moron #70 |
| 02:51.52 | `Xenocide | nano's nice for small things, but this is a decent sized project |
| 02:51.58 | Octalthorpe | Nano can do everything I need it to do. |
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| 02:52.05 | Octalthorpe | Syntax highlighting, multiple files open. |
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| 02:52.13 | aZ[a]ZeL | nano is good for editing config files |
| 02:52.15 | `Xenocide | cvs commit? |
| 02:52.27 | Flimzy | `Xenocide: nano is nice for wasting hard drive space :P |
| 02:52.28 | aZ[a]ZeL | I cant use vi to save my life |
| 02:52.29 | Mag007 | Octalthorpe, could be the routers MTU |
| 02:52.46 | Octalthorpe | `Xenocide : That's what bash is for. |
| 02:52.49 | caphuso | `Xenocide: man emacs, scroll down to the list of X resources, and use try M-x customize-fonts RET |
| 02:52.51 | `Xenocide | blah, i can afford the kilobytes |
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| 02:53.50 | caphuso | pcvs is a lot nicer than bash when it comes to doing work with cvs |
| 02:54.10 | OvrLrd-Q | during upgrade from stable->unstable on one of the config options on wether I wanted to replace the package maintainers version with my own, I accidently hit N instead of Y, any way for me to go back and fix this? |
| 02:54.39 | Mag007 | anyone here use Verizon DSL? |
| 02:54.43 | FieldySnuts | hell no |
| 02:54.44 | OvrLrd-Q | dpkg-reconfigure didn't seem to help |
| 02:54.56 | FieldySnuts | !fuck Verizon |
| 02:55.06 | MarcoPau | LOL |
| 02:55.12 | Mag007 | lol |
| 02:55.16 | caphuso | OvrLrd-Q: check /etc/path/to/configfile.dpkg-dist |
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| 02:55.50 | OvrLrd-Q | lol and whats the /path/to/ part :D |
| 02:56.05 | tcsetattr | OvrLrd, what file did you replace? |
| 02:56.09 | caphuso | OvrLrd-Q: you tell us |
| 02:56.18 | OvrLrd-Q | it was on passwd updating /etc/pam.d/passwd |
| 02:56.29 | tcsetattr | so look for /etc/pam.d/passwd.dpkg-dist |
| 02:56.42 | OvrLrd-Q | AH, ok i see what you meant |
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| 02:57.03 | caphuso | could i have said any clearer? |
| 02:57.14 | OvrLrd-Q | humm, nice empty file |
| 02:57.14 | caphuso | s/said any/said it any/ |
| 02:57.37 | Knave | Ok screw it.. What is the best kernel to put on debian (woody)... And where can i read up on how to recompile this? |
| 02:57.45 | OvrLrd-Q | # This file is blank to allow fall-through to the 'other' service. |
| 02:57.54 | OvrLrd-Q | that's the contents of passwd.dpkg-dist |
| 02:58.14 | caphuso | $ egrep -v '^($|#)' /etc/pam.d/passwd; echo $? |
| 02:58.14 | caphuso | 1 |
| 02:58.17 | Octalthorpe | ~tell knave about compile kernel |
| 02:58.18 | icydragonclaw | I have a t.v. tuner card and I'm playing streetfighter on dreamcast but the sound does not work. I think it is because the brooktree module is runnin it's own mixer or something, how can I fix this problem? |
| 02:58.21 | caphuso | seems to be correct |
| 02:58.35 | Octalthorpe | icydragonclaw : ALSA in 2.6.3 supports bt8x8 sound. |
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| 02:59.01 | icydragonclaw | what do I apt-get to install alsa? |
| 02:59.14 | icydragonclaw | or do I need to get source? |
| 02:59.22 | OvrLrd-Q | there were some changes but I can't think of what they are right off hand. |
| 02:59.34 | Octalthorpe | icydragonclaw : ALSA is part of the Linux Kernel as of somewhere in 2.5. |
| 02:59.39 | articoke | i have a woody system. but i want to install bittorrent and that all seems to be in testing. am i likely to have any problems if i replace the woody python with the testing version, and whatever else i will need to do? |
| 02:59.45 | Octalthorpe | icydragonclaw : You'll probably need the Debian package alsa-utils. |
| 02:59.50 | icydragonclaw | thanks |
| 03:00.01 | `Xenocide | caphuso: M-x customize-fonts [No Match] =( |
| 03:00.14 | caphuso | `Xenocide: sorry, customize-face |
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| 03:00.31 | `Xenocide | ah, thanks |
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| 03:00.58 | MrBIOS | hey folks, how do I switch to LILO from GRUB? |
| 03:01.10 | caphuso | MrBIOS: install grub, read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 03:01.23 | MrBIOS | I'm trying to move this disk to another machine and boot off of it, and GRUB simply refuses to load the 1.5-level bootlevel |
| 03:01.26 | icydragonclaw | No ALSA driver installed, Starting ALSA sound driver (version none):modprobe: Can't locate module snd failed |
| 03:01.30 | OvrLrd-Q | can I just go into /var/cache/apt/archive and dpkg -i <passwd>.deb ? |
| 03:01.34 | Knave | whats a good kernel to isntall on woody? |
| 03:01.39 | caphuso | OvrLrd-Q: sure. but why? |
| 03:01.51 | Octalthorpe | MrBIOS : apt-get --purge install lilo- grub |
| 03:02.00 | Octalthorpe | icydragonclaw : You need to build a 2.6 kernel with ALSA. |
| 03:02.06 | caphuso | OvrLrd-Q: it's a lot more work than 'cd /etc/pam.d && cp pass.dpkg-dist pass' |
| 03:02.11 | Octalthorpe | icydragonclaw : Go to ftp.kernel.org, download the 2.6 source, and read... |
| 03:02.13 | tcsetattr | you have /etc/pam.d/passwd and /etc/pam.d/passwd.dpkg-dist. The essence of the Y/N question you're remember was: choose one or the other. |
| 03:02.14 | bisc0tti | Octalthorpe: did you get my /msg by chance? |
| 03:02.15 | icydragonclaw | omg |
| 03:02.17 | Octalthorpe | ~tell icydragonclaw about compile kernel |
| 03:02.17 | MrBIOS | Octalthorpe: thanks |
| 03:02.32 | Octalthorpe | bisc0tti : Sorry, I pay more attention to bright yellow (like when you say my name). One moment. |
| 03:02.49 | Octalthorpe | I messaged you back asking for the actual contents of the interfaces file. |
| 03:02.53 | holycow | hey guys i have a machine that doesnt recognize a keyborad on the login screen, i cannot even turn num lock or caps on as if the port is powered down somehow. how do i begin debugging this? is there a way to get linux to boot into command line somehow? |
| 03:02.58 | icydragonclaw | ok thanks |
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| 03:03.13 | OvrLrd-Q | caphuso: well on the menu selection of Y/I/D/N/whatever I hit D to see the diff and there were quite a few changes |
| 03:03.20 | Octalthorpe | holycow : Is it USB or PS/2? |
| 03:03.25 | caphuso | OvrLrd-Q: yes, because your old file isn't empty |
| 03:03.30 | Octalthorpe | holycow : Or something else? |
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| 03:03.34 | caphuso | OvrLrd-Q: the one you plan to overwrite |
| 03:03.34 | holycow | kb is ps/2 |
| 03:03.48 | Octalthorpe | holycow : Did you leave ps/2 support out of a custom-compiled kernel? |
| 03:03.48 | tcsetattr | OvrLrd, you can run diff -u /etc/pam.d/passwd{,.dpkg-dist} |
| 03:03.52 | holycow | thats the strange thing it works up until kernel and various services startup |
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| 03:04.00 | OvrLrd-Q | caphuso: oh, I though there were quite a few line additions in there too |
| 03:04.07 | Octalthorpe | holycow : What happens when you do ctrl-alt-f1? |
| 03:04.08 | caphuso | OvrLrd-Q: probably the comments |
| 03:04.12 | holycow | Octalthorpe, nope, infact i didnt do any customizing, kb worked up until today actually |
| 03:04.17 | bisc0tti | Octalthorpe: ok I guess my irc client sucks, heh cause I didn't get your return message. I will send it now. |
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| 03:04.24 | Octalthorpe | holycow : Did you reconfigure the x server, perhaps? |
| 03:04.29 | OvrLrd-Q | caphuso: ah, okay, so /etc/pam.d/passwd should be empty then? |
| 03:04.37 | holycow | Octalthorpe, nothing, i cannot even get the light on the kb to light up when i press caps lock |
| 03:04.44 | caphuso | OvrLrd-Q: isn't that what the comment at the new passwd file says? |
| 03:05.02 | OvrLrd-Q | caphuso: maybe . . ;) |
| 03:05.23 | holycow | Octalthorpe, it may have become corrupted somehow, i didnt do anything specialy than setup vesa and usb mouse, but those worked up until today. i'm trying to figure out how to get in to reconfigure x, albeit i didnt setup ssh |
| 03:05.24 | holycow | *grrr* |
| 03:05.31 | OvrLrd-Q | yay now the 10 hour kernel compile |
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| 03:05.41 | sussudio | OvrLrd-Q: yay bullshit |
| 03:05.42 | Octalthorpe | holycow : Pass the 'single' option to your kernel at boot time. |
| 03:05.48 | Nezzie_ | ovrlrd-Q .. should be an olympic sport |
| 03:05.57 | OvrLrd-Q | sussudio: no it was 10 hours :) atleast that's what time said |
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| 03:06.15 | sussudio | OvrLrd-Q: it doesn't even take more than 3 hours on a 486-66. |
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| 03:06.25 | Octalthorpe | holycow : If you're using grub you can 'e'dit the entry, and add it to the kernel statement. I don't know how to do it with lilo.. Maybe '<entryname> single' |
| 03:06.29 | OvrLrd-Q | real 882m9.499s user 775m38.640s sys 37m40.930s |
| 03:06.32 | holycow | Octalthorpe, stupid q... how do i do that? i've never heard of that not: lilo is boot manager |
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| 03:06.48 | holycow | heh i didnt migrate machine to grub either, i know grub gives me more tools for stuff like this |
| 03:07.08 | articoke | which file determines apt's download sources? |
| 03:07.10 | OvrLrd-Q | then I guess my CPU is just gimpy then |
| 03:07.14 | Octalthorpe | bisc0tti : eth1 is wireless? |
| 03:07.18 | tcsetattr | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:07.27 | articoke | thanks tcs... |
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| 03:08.08 | Octalthorpe | Hmmm. |
| 03:08.09 | OvrLrd-Q | that was from running: time make-kpkg --initrd --revision=2:marvin.1 kernel_image |
| 03:08.11 | bisc0tti | Octalthorpe: yep, I have a built in eth port on the back of my laptop. and the cisco 350 in the pcmcia slot |
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| 03:08.23 | Octalthorpe | Do you have iwconfig? |
| 03:08.28 | bisc0tti | yep |
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| 03:08.43 | bisc0tti | I've tried manually setting the options with that |
| 03:08.47 | bisc0tti | no dice |
| 03:08.53 | Randy | I have an idea |
| 03:08.58 | Randy | I can eat a rabbit |
| 03:09.00 | OvrLrd-Q | so 887 minutes is a bit long? |
| 03:09.01 | Randy | thats all bye |
| 03:09.08 | Octalthorpe | bisc0tti : Did you manually bring up the interface (ifconfig eth1 up) when you were manually setting the options? |
| 03:09.17 | piingouin | how cant i get my kernel config throuht /proc/config to send it to a friend ? |
| 03:09.20 | Octalthorpe | OvrLrd-Q : A kernel compile takes me about 7 minutes. |
| 03:09.29 | OvrLrd-Q | it's an old pentium classic 133 |
| 03:09.35 | piingouin | Octalthorpe, 17 for me :/ |
| 03:09.37 | caphuso | piingouin: there's a script in the kernel sources to extract it |
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| 03:09.42 | Octalthorpe | piingouin : If it's in plaintext in /proc/config, just cat /proc/config > config |
| 03:09.43 | dasunt | Is there a streaming video server solution under debian? |
| 03:09.45 | Octalthorpe | Oh. |
| 03:09.46 | Justin_ | compiling 2.2 used to take my p100 about an hour |
| 03:09.59 | OvrLrd-Q | lucky you |
| 03:10.00 | tcsetattr | wow there's a /proc/config now? |
| 03:10.06 | piingouin | caphuso, Octalthorpe thx |
| 03:10.10 | Octalthorpe | tcsetattr : In 2.6, at least. You can even have it gzipped. |
| 03:10.18 | tcsetattr | that's been under periodic discussion for so long I though it'd never happen |
| 03:10.21 | dasunt | Justin_: Oddly enough, (and it might be my lean config) my P166/32M machine just did 2.4.25 in under a half hour. |
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| 03:10.26 | OvrLrd-Q | any ideas while it'll take so long to run? |
| 03:10.29 | Jambon | i'm having problems with my pppoe connection. it finishes part of an apt-get update then fails. it says it failed to retrieve some packages and used older ones in lieu of them. what should i do, i've tried pinging and it just gives me the address, ip, and 56 bytes? |
| 03:10.35 | alex | !shoot gnome |
| 03:10.38 | Justin_ | dasunt: lean config will do it... |
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| 03:10.48 | Octalthorpe | Jambon : Try different apt sources? |
| 03:10.55 | Flimzy | dasunt: Using ccache? |
| 03:10.55 | Octalthorpe | ~shoot alex |
| 03:10.57 | | ACTION shoots alex in the head. |
| 03:11.05 | alex | ~nuke Octalthorpe |
| 03:11.06 | Jambon | i've changed them and that didn't work |
| 03:11.07 | OvrLrd-Q | or how to clean out all the useless crap I dont need? |
| 03:11.12 | Octalthorpe | ~lart alex |
| 03:11.17 | Justin_ | all those iptables and crypto modules take a really long time to build |
| 03:11.23 | sussudio | OvrLrd-Q: toilet duck? |
| 03:11.23 | alex | ~eat Octalthorpe |
| 03:11.24 | | ACTION eats Octalthorpe and falls over dead |
| 03:11.30 | dasunt | Flimzy: Er? |
| 03:11.31 | Octalthorpe | Haha, I'm poisonous. |
| 03:11.32 | OvrLrd-Q | sussudio: tried that |
| 03:11.41 | Flimzy | dasunt: Did you use ccache to compile your kernel? |
| 03:11.45 | OvrLrd-Q | didn't work to well |
| 03:11.47 | Flimzy | dasunt: That could make it hella faster |
| 03:11.50 | alex | Octalthorpe, Simply I found out what a shit gnome is... From the inside. |
| 03:11.50 | The_Vulture | s/to/too/ |
| 03:11.58 | Octalthorpe | alex: Eh, I use Blackbox. |
| 03:12.03 | Flimzy | dasunt: I'm using ccache to compile right now |
| 03:12.05 | bisc0tti | Octalthorpe: Yeah I believe so...it was a few days ago when I tried though so I can't remember the exact order. Do I ifup and then iwconfig or vise versa? |
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| 03:12.06 | sussudio | alex: a shit gnome? wait till penix hears about this. |
| 03:12.06 | alex | Octalthorpe, GNUStep. |
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| 03:12.21 | chemaja | alex: how is GNOME shit? |
| 03:12.23 | alex | sussudio, Where's that penix? |
| 03:12.31 | The_Vulture | bisc0tti: you should have all the wireless configs in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:12.32 | Octalthorpe | bisc0tti : What are you putting for the essid again? |
| 03:12.36 | dasunt | Flimzy: Ah, I haven't. |
| 03:12.37 | sussudio | alex: probably rogering a gnome right now |
| 03:12.37 | The_Vulture | there shouldn't be anything else to do after "ifup" then |
| 03:12.43 | dasunt | I don't think I have, at least. |
| 03:12.44 | Octalthorpe | The_Vulture : He does. He's having trouble with it. |
| 03:12.45 | The_Vulture | so far as I know anyway |
| 03:12.49 | The_Vulture | Octalthorpe: rightio |
| 03:12.52 | bisc0tti | Octalthorpe: the name of my access point's essid |
| 03:12.54 | Flimzy | dasunt: on slow CPUs, it's a lifesaver for frequent compiles |
| 03:12.59 | Octalthorpe | bisc0tti : Proper case, ja? |
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| 03:13.26 | bisc0tti | Octalthorpe: Yeah...do you think I should try "any"? |
| 03:13.27 | dasunt | Flimzy: No, I basically do an 'make mrproper && cp /boot/oldconfig .config && make oldconfig' |
| 03:13.37 | Octalthorpe | bisc0tti : If SSID broadcast is on, try any. |
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| 03:13.51 | crystalremo | when you want a module to be loaded upon boot whats the best way to do that? |
| 03:13.56 | Flimzy | dasunt: You don't use kernel-package? |
| 03:14.01 | Octalthorpe | crystalremo : add it to /etc/modules |
| 03:14.13 | Octalthorpe | Flimzy : I don't use kernel-package. |
| 03:14.23 | dasunt | Flimzy: Nope. I do it from vanilla source for the one machine I update the kernel manually for. |
| 03:14.26 | Jambon | anyone know how to test if a pppoe connection is working? |
| 03:14.37 | bisc0tti | Octalthorpe: alrighty, lemme try that. how long till your going to that kegger? :-) |
| 03:14.40 | chris | i get an error saying that i need dpkg-dev when i try to apt-get build-essential, then it says E: Sorry, broken packages; what should i do ? |
| 03:14.40 | Justin_ | dasunt: egrep "=(m|y)" .config|wc -l |
| 03:14.42 | CtrlAltDelete | where do i put the codecs for Mplayer to make it work? :/ |
| 03:14.43 | Flimzy | dasunt: I do it from vanilla source, too. But kernel-package still makes it a lot easier. |
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| 03:14.55 | Flimzy | dasunt: Esp when a new kernel breaks something. |
| 03:15.08 | Octalthorpe | bisc0tti : I don't know. I have to find one of the chiefs. |
| 03:15.11 | dasunt | Flimzy: Heh. |
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| 03:15.35 | Flimzy | dasunt: It's a lot easier to install an old .deb to get back to a working system than to manually back up old kernel images and remember where you put them |
| 03:16.27 | dasunt | Flimzy: My boot directory is full of stuff like 2.4.23-System.map-03-10-03 and 2.4.23-boot-03-10-03 |
| 03:16.29 | Flimzy | dasunt: and I really like kernel-package's integration with external module packages. |
| 03:16.40 | Flimzy | dasunt: My boot directory is nice and clean. I like it that way :) |
| 03:16.58 | Flimzy | dasunt: I have a large collection of kernel-image-*.deb files in /usr/src, tho. |
| 03:17.04 | crystalremo | when something says it needs the X include files, what package might it be talking about? |
| 03:17.09 | dasunt | Flimzy: You're supposed to keep about 10 incarnations of kernels in it, you know. :) |
| 03:17.24 | holycow | Octalthorpe, you are the king |
| 03:17.30 | holycow | my thanks :) that worked great |
| 03:17.39 | articoke | can i use dpkg to install a package that i already have on my system, but to go out and get any needed packages using apt-get install from servers in my sources.list ? |
| 03:17.53 | Flimzy | dasunt: I have 2. The current one, and the one used immediately before that. |
| 03:18.04 | articoke | that is to go out and get stuff that is needed by the package i have on my system. |
| 03:18.08 | caphuso | articoke: dpkg -i whatever.deb; apt-get -f install |
| 03:18.21 | hackeron | say I want a variable in shell scripting to contain a chain of commands like a='wget something 2>%1 | grep % > /tmp/status' (just an example), so when I run $a, it will run the commands, so far it's complaining about 2>%1 and if I remove that complaining about |, any ideas?7 |
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| 03:18.50 | crystalremo | when something says it needs the X include files, what package might it be talking about? |
| 03:18.51 | caphuso | hackeron: eval |
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| 03:18.53 | Octalthorpe | holycow : Don't mention it. |
| 03:18.58 | greycat | hackeron: /join #bash |
| 03:19.05 | dasunt | Flimzy: I have 2.4.25, 2.4.24, 2.4.23, 2.4.22, and 2.4.18. ;) |
| 03:19.08 | Octalthorpe | articoke : First part, yes. Second part, no. |
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| 03:19.13 | Octalthorpe | articoke : dpkg != apt |
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| 03:19.19 | Octalthorpe | dpkg < apt |
| 03:19.19 | dpkg | no idea, Octalthorpe |
| 03:19.28 | GCBirzan | hackeron: look into functions, help function. and do /join #bash |
| 03:19.30 | Octalthorpe | !botsnack |
| 03:19.30 | dpkg | Octalthorpe: thanks |
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| 03:19.51 | Flimzy | dasunt: I have (on this particular machine), 2.4.18, two versionsof 2.4.21-pre5, and two versions of 2.4.21, and 2.6.3 |
| 03:20.00 | articoke | octalthorpe ok can i use apt as if it were dpkg, point it to my system first? should i put my hard disk first in sources.list? |
| 03:20.11 | dasunt | Flimzy: I should house clean. |
| 03:20.22 | Octalthorpe | articoke : It's more complicated, and not recommended (by me.) |
| 03:20.27 | Justin_ | greycat: amazing the ammount of questions someone who "read a book" on shell scripting asks |
| 03:20.32 | Octalthorpe | articoke : Just dpkg -i the package, and then apt-get install what it reports as needing. |
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| 03:21.32 | dasunt | Justin_: Sometimes a little knowledge is dangerous. ;) |
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| 03:21.53 | articoke | octalthorpe the problem it says it needs python of at least version 2.3 so i gotta go find out the exact version in testing i guess and grab that. or comment out the woody stuff in sources.list when getting python. |
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| 03:22.29 | dasunt | articoke: www.apt-get.org <- dangerous. |
| 03:22.35 | articoke | doable but slightly lame. oh ok. |
| 03:22.36 | hackeron | GCBirzan: you mean like function1() { list of commands } ? |
| 03:22.44 | GCBirzan | hackeron: yes. |
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| 03:22.55 | Flimzy | Yummy. 227mb dist-upgrade over essentially a 128k connection. |
| 03:23.31 | articoke | thanks dasunt i'll try it and find why it's dangerous. |
| 03:23.34 | hackeron | GCBirzan: I use those.. but it's not enough, how do I modify a function like a variable exactly!? how can I say function1="echo $a | grep something" for example to modify the function?, whats why I need this in variables |
| 03:23.34 | nevyn | stop whining.. 500meg update over wifi connected to 56k dialup |
| 03:23.55 | Justin_ | i only get 1111K/s, so shush |
| 03:24.14 | GCBirzan | hackeron: um, you mean passing parameters? |
| 03:24.14 | nxtw | 0mb update over 1.5kbit dsl |
| 03:24.14 | nxtw | :) |
| 03:24.14 | hackeron | GCBirzan: yes, but passing parameters to a list of commands |
| 03:24.20 | Flimzy | nevyn: Hope you're using strong encryption over your wifi... wouldn't want someone to steal your bandwidth. You need it :P |
| 03:24.28 | GCBirzan | hackeron: help function, as I told you. |
| 03:24.30 | nxtw | no one would wana steal it |
| 03:24.30 | hackeron | GCBirzan: so then that list of commands can be ran according to which function is called |
| 03:24.46 | hackeron | GCBirzan: hmm, ok |
| 03:24.52 | nevyn | Flimzy: not too worried about it.honestly it's only dialup. |
| 03:25.00 | dasunt | articoke: Reason why its dangerous is that all of a sudden, your system is no longer woody, or sarge, or whatever, but a strange, new mix. |
| 03:25.08 | Flimzy | I was used to 500Kb/sec+ updates until mid november. |
| 03:25.09 | Flimzy | Since then I've had 0k/sec |
| 03:25.12 | Flimzy | so now this ~100k/sec speed over my mobile phone is great |
| 03:25.14 | Octalthorpe | dasunt : Like Robocop. |
| 03:25.19 | PlayaX | on kernel 2.6.3 do i still have to scsi support to use my burner ? |
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| 03:25.26 | Flimzy | PlayaX: of course |
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| 03:25.35 | Justin_ | !lart Flimzy |
| 03:25.36 | Flimzy | PlayaX: Unless you got a new CD burner that doesn't need SCSI support to work. |
| 03:25.44 | Justin_ | !tell PlayaX about 2.6 |
| 03:25.44 | articoke | dasunt indeed that's what i asked a while ago, is this gonna be a problem. |
| 03:25.46 | Justin_ | Flimzy: talk less |
| 03:25.46 | dasunt | Octalthorpe: Yes. And occasionally, Robocop ends up burning down city hall while he's just doing his duty. |
| 03:25.47 | nxtw | uh, no |
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| 03:25.54 | PlayaX | ok thanks |
| 03:25.58 | nxtw | Flimzy: i think your wrong.. |
| 03:26.00 | articoke | and you answered it. :/ |
| 03:26.02 | PlayaX | my burner is old |
| 03:26.03 | Flimzy | nxtw: Hmm. really? |
| 03:26.05 | dasunt | articoke: There is the simple sid backport as well, which isn't always so simple. |
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| 03:26.08 | Flimzy | nxtw: I thought i needed it when I compiled |
| 03:26.13 | nxtw | ide-scsi isnt needed if you have an ide burner |
| 03:26.18 | nxtw | you can still use it but itd be stupid to do so. |
| 03:26.28 | Octalthorpe | nxtw : What's the new system? |
| 03:26.32 | articoke | simple sid backport? what's a backport? |
| 03:26.37 | nxtw | Octalthorpe: there isnt one, you can just use the normal driver |
| 03:26.43 | nxtw | ide-cd |
| 03:26.43 | Octalthorpe | nxtw : Hmmm. |
| 03:26.50 | Flimzy | articoke: Means a new version was made to work with old stuff. |
| 03:26.56 | Jambon | what should i do if my pppoe connection doesn't work? i've changed the sources and that still doesn't fix the problem |
| 03:27.06 | articoke | ah. sid backported to what, woody? |
| 03:27.08 | crystalremo | when something says it needs the X include files, what package might it be talking about? |
| 03:27.12 | Flimzy | articoke: I.e. Microsoft Office XP made to work with Windows 3.11 would be a "backport" |
| 03:27.27 | nxtw | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=121635 |
| 03:27.28 | nxtw | there |
| 03:27.30 | nxtw | enjoy |
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| 03:27.32 | PlayaX | thanks nxtw that's what i need to know |
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