| 00:00.11 | Jim-Bob | "Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 21:02" |
| 00:00.17 | Jim-Bob | this after i tried updating to latest kernel |
| 00:00.26 | Jim-Bob | it won't boot now |
| 00:00.34 | ShaolinTiger | beta3: good enough, pure enough to evaporate fairly quickly |
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| 00:00.46 | butch | Hello: My XEmacs21 seems to have problems opening files in perl mode. It does not matter wether that file already exists or not. Error line starts with: |
| 00:00.46 | ace | ri0t |
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| 00:00.50 | Z0l | Jim-Bob next time compile your root fs and ide/scsi driver into your kernel too |
| 00:01.00 | butch | (lambda (beg end) (let* ((modified (buffer-modified-p)) (buffer-undo-list t) (inhibit-read-onl |
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| 00:01.09 | ace | oops. hi |
| 00:01.12 | Jim-Bob | how do i fix it now ? |
| 00:01.28 | butch | Does anyone know how to fix that just from reading this few facts? |
| 00:01.42 | Z0l | Jim-Bob boot from your install cd with root=/dev/xxx where your root partition is |
| 00:01.48 | craigad | Jim-Bob - do you have a rescue disk? |
| 00:01.53 | ace | i have installed debian 1st time. It's impressive! nice work |
| 00:01.54 | Jim-Bob | ok |
| 00:01.57 | Jim-Bob | thnx |
| 00:02.10 | Blissex | Z0l: oh my! consider this: client Jerry wants to send 100KB to client Mike. Jerry connects to slot 10, mike to slot 11. First case: Jerry sends the 100KB thru slot 10, they get routed to slot 11 and get to MIke. You save Internet bandwidth. Second case: jerry sends the 100KB thru port 10, they go to your internet router, they go out on the internet, come back, go to poort 11 and then to Mike. 100KB have still come out of slot 10 and go |
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| 00:02.57 | g4lt | Blissex hird scenario: the cards connect to each other and leave his poor AP alone |
| 00:03.02 | Z0l | Blissex they are nat'ed they can't be reached from outside |
| 00:03.17 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: the tip of the cartridge was covered in red ink |
| 00:03.50 | g4lt | Blissex I believe wind'ohs bastiches call that "ad-hoc" |
| 00:03.51 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: looks like I have yellow, its visible now |
| 00:03.56 | Blissex | Z0l: tnhey can friggingly use e-mail, or tunneling or upload to a common server and then download or whatever. As long as _both_ have access to the internet the traffic will flow. |
| 00:03.58 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: no blue or red |
| 00:04.03 | ShaolinTiger | beta3: good stuff, keep cleaning |
| 00:04.03 | ace | do i have to configure sound completely by hand? or is there any "tool" i should use? |
| 00:04.16 | beta3 | ok |
| 00:04.43 | Z0l | Blissex that would be what we would like, becouse they have limited bandwidth (all of them) so we'd always have some wlan capacity :) |
| 00:04.43 | craigad | what is the easiest way to convert ext to reiser - bearing in mind that the partition holds root at the minute |
| 00:04.45 | craigad | ? |
| 00:04.53 | craigad | ext2 that is |
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| 00:05.15 | Z0l | but the bandwidth limiting is done on the server |
| 00:05.15 | caphuso | craigad: complete backup, mkreiserfs, restore backup |
| 00:05.38 | caphuso | s/mkreiserfs/mkfs.reiserfs/ |
| 00:06.04 | zeke | should regular xterm support pasting from other x applications? |
| 00:06.06 | butch | craigad: Possibly using something like Knoppix to acces your root partition while not being able to use it as running root partition. |
| 00:06.06 | Blissex | Z0l the only good rationale to prevent traffic from going to/from slot 10 to 11 is safety: to prevent a malicious client from trying to hack into another client. |
| 00:06.10 | caphuso | zeke: it does |
| 00:06.21 | zeke | and why can't i copy paste into/out of gnu emacs? anyone know about this? |
| 00:06.24 | craigad | ok, thx |
| 00:06.44 | Z0l | Blissex how? :) |
| 00:06.49 | Blissex | Z0l: but you only care to limit the bandwidth to/from the internet, because that's the only thing that has a real cost. Internal bandwidth is basically free. |
| 00:06.59 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: yellow comes in strong, the blue and red are gone |
| 00:07.04 | craigad | butch: ok, i have use knoippix - what is the best tool backup? create another partition and then cp over /? |
| 00:07.12 | craigad | or use tar? |
| 00:07.28 | ace | how shoulöd i setup a sb live-card? |
| 00:07.35 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: looks like I need a new cartridge eh? |
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| 00:07.53 | Z0l | Blissex but we want the internal bandwith not to use the whole 11mb, not to "suck" the bandwidth from the others |
| 00:08.07 | zeke | caphuso: thank you muchly. |
| 00:08.13 | butch | craigad: Be sure to keep file attributes. From top of my head: cp -a or tar should be fine. |
| 00:08.18 | Blissex | Z0l: it's frigginly easy, if you can: you just let each slot address just one 172.xxxxxx address, the router. If you can't do that, you ave a problem. |
| 00:08.29 | ShaolinTiger | beta3: yup |
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| 00:08.43 | craigad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:08.55 | craigad | i'll give that a go |
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| 00:09.01 | butch | craigad: You're welcome. |
| 00:09.05 | Blissex | Z0l: can't you use a switch, that has a full unshared channel fro each user? |
| 00:09.31 | Z0l | Blissex the whole network is on the air |
| 00:09.32 | Blissex | Z0l: basic problem is that a single ethernet wire is an ether, can't do much about that. |
| 00:09.33 | sirReal | anyone ever use 'strings' on mp3's i see some weird stuff sometimes - "pldecal.wad" repeated over and over on one |
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| 00:09.54 | sussudio | !tell sirReal about polls |
| 00:10.11 | craigad | butch: hhmmm......does the latest knoppix recognise Promise ide raid cards? |
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| 00:10.26 | Z0l | Blissex we provide internet access through wireless lan |
| 00:10.31 | Blissex | Z0l: well, tough then. the only you can do what you want is to have a firewall/shaper on each access slot/port. No way around it. |
| 00:10.41 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: they are so expensive ... |
| 00:10.53 | Blissex | Z0l: even with L2TP or whatever the tunnel will take all bandwidth it finds. |
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| 00:11.15 | ocran | hey guys |
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| 00:11.31 | ocran | Hello guys, looking to resolve a problem executing programes over ssh with X forwarding, i am getting the error X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. Thanks! |
| 00:11.48 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: where is a cheap place for ink |
| 00:12.00 | butch | craigad: I don't know, but I'd guess it does. |
| 00:12.35 | Matthew_I | is there any way for multiple apps to access my sound card other than using a sound server like arts and esd? |
| 00:12.35 | U^gOoD_mE^bAd | Hello! where can I get help about module loading? |
| 00:12.35 | Z0l | Blissex if we would give the access point an ip range which is not on our subnet, (only the clients and the server would be on the subnet) could they possibly connect to each other? |
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| 00:12.35 | beta3 | Matthew_I: no |
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| 00:12.35 | ljlane | ocran, you need xauth (in xbase-clients) on both ends. It should magically set up DISPLAY and auth. |
| 00:12.35 | Z0l | i mean ip address, sorry :) |
| 00:12.35 | JimButton | U^gOoD_mE^bAd: man modprobe |
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| 00:12.36 | J_P | people, how i delete all mails in mailq ? |
| 00:12.39 | J_P | i use postfix |
| 00:12.42 | JimButton | U^gOoD_mE^bAd: btw, your nick looks disgusting |
| 00:12.50 | ljlane | understatement |
| 00:12.55 | butch | craigad: If you can't just give it a try I'd search its homepage for that information. Maybe you can get your answer there. |
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| 00:13.32 | craigad | butch: thanks again |
| 00:13.37 | ocran | ljlane: I have xbase-clients on this machine, but the server, or host is a sun, that i do not have root access too, how might i go about this? |
| 00:13.50 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: I want to get a color laserjet printer :) |
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| 00:14.03 | sirReal | is there an app that will display binary data as bin or hex without trying to force it into ASCII? |
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| 00:14.08 | ShaolinTiger | beta3: better get a loan then ;) |
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| 00:14.24 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: Ill just get that instead of the ipod and some other accessory I was about to buy |
| 00:14.26 | Blissex | Z0l: the role of a wireless access point is to be a hub for link layer packets. It is only the router side of it that needs an IP address. |
| 00:14.29 | g4lt | ShaolinTiger s/loan/mortgage/ |
| 00:14.50 | ShaolinTiger | g4lt: they aren't that bad nowdays |
| 00:14.53 | ljlane | ocran, I really can't help with xauth on sun. Try looking on google for ssh & sun info. |
| 00:15.09 | ShaolinTiger | g4lt: not like buying a techtronix 6-7 years ago..needed more than a mortgage |
| 00:15.31 | butch | sirReal: hexdump, hextype |
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| 00:15.38 | Blissex | Z0l: IP packets don't go to the wireless AP and then get routed via IP to another thingie... |
| 00:15.44 | sirReal | butch: just found hexcat and hexcurse :) |
| 00:15.45 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: they're running for 2Gs now right? |
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| 00:16.08 | ocran | ljlane Thanks! |
| 00:16.19 | unixfool` | when ssh'n into a stable box as me, i can do 'sudo xeyes' and it works, but with a testing or unstable box, ssh+sudo+X doesnt work, anyone know why? |
| 00:16.19 | tam | why doesn't all my .bash_history get saved? i run maybe 4 shells on the same computer and i notice that sometimes not everything goes in the history file |
| 00:16.25 | ShaolinTiger | beta3: USD? not sure have a look around |
| 00:16.25 | butch | sirReal: I like "cat -A" if most parts of the output are readable. |
| 00:16.34 | Z0l | Blissex and we can't make it work like that, can we? :) |
| 00:16.45 | Blissex | Z0l: BTW, this whole discussion is not quite appropriate to #debian, where people object to support Knoppix :-) |
| 00:16.45 | cyberdrek | Can anybody help me out for a really dumb question. I've been administering linux machine for quite some time but I can't seem to solve this stupid little problem on my own machine at home. My sound works but only for use root. How can I get it so that all users can use it? |
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| 00:17.01 | butch | tam: IMHO only your first shell uses .history. All other shells keep their own, but don't safe to disc. |
| 00:17.08 | cyberdrek | s/use/user |
| 00:17.16 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: http://www.zones.com/cgi-bin/zones/site/product/index.html?id=000599267&zone=zbs |
| 00:17.24 | tam | butch: OK thanks |
| 00:17.24 | Blissex | Z0l: you can I think handle the ``not talk to each other'' via wireless configuration, not IP configuration, if at all possible. |
| 00:17.46 | ljlane | unixfool`, try /msg dpkg sshx for some info on the setup |
| 00:17.55 | Blissex | Z0l: but I would be somewhat surprised if you could do shaping. |
| 00:18.01 | Z0l | Blissex i see... :( |
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| 00:18.05 | ShaolinTiger | beta3: yeh see, not expensive any more |
| 00:18.42 | Blissex | Z0l: there are ways to throttle, like ACK starvation for TCP, but they are a bit rough, and require the cooperation of the wireless client. |
| 00:19.22 | Blissex | Z0l: if your customer is given just a a wireless card, they can almost surely avoid any allocation of bandwidth over the air. |
| 00:19.39 | butch | My xemacs does not load perl files anymore. Other files are fine. Any idea how to cure that? |
| 00:19.44 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: arg, 100 bux a cartridge for color |
| 00:19.55 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: but laser jet uses less money still |
| 00:20.07 | Blissex | Z0l: but but: wireless in ``secure'' mode requires crypto keys. If the wireless caed have crypto keys to one server but not to each other... |
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| 00:21.30 | unixfool` | ljlane: thanks |
| 00:21.38 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: HP says 30000 pages |
| 00:21.45 | beta3 | I don't print that much over 5 years |
| 00:22.03 | unixfool` | ljlane: it actually ended up being a root squashing think with ~/.Xauthority |
| 00:22.16 | Blissex | Z0l: you can surely do shaping on the _gateway_ between the wireless network and the internet. It can then drop packets that exceed a user's bandwidth limit. In the Internet-to-client direction dropping packets at least helps keep the wireless network less busy; but if it drops packets in the client-to-internet direction, they have already passed thru the wireless network, and taken up its bandwidth. |
| 00:22.18 | ShaolinTiger | beta3: that's the advantage over inkjet, it doesnt dry up |
| 00:22.22 | zeke | caphuso: anything special i need to know to be able to paste into an xterm? it's not working for me so far. |
| 00:22.47 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: if Im only getting roughly 500-1000 pages per ink cartridge |
| 00:22.59 | beta3 | and it costs |
| 00:23.00 | beta3 | 35 |
| 00:23.01 | Deathwind | zeke: tried highlighting the text, then middle-clicking in the xterm? |
| 00:23.04 | Blissex | Z0l: so if a customer starts sending a 100MB file from their client, there is little you can do about that. |
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| 00:23.28 | Blissex | Z0l: unless you have a little router between each client PC and the wireless network. |
| 00:23.33 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: 7 cents a page |
| 00:23.40 | caphuso | zeke: no, just mark the text you want to paste with the mouse, then middle-click in xterm |
| 00:24.09 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: whereas laser jet at 300 dollars for all three color cartridges |
| 00:24.15 | Blissex | Z0l: then the little per-clietn router can drop excess packets sent by a client _before_ they get transmitted over the air. |
| 00:24.27 | zeke | caphuso: dammn having a two button mouse. |
| 00:24.27 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: 1 cent a copy |
| 00:24.29 | RichiH | is there any way to see what application uses how much bandwidth? |
| 00:24.47 | caphuso | zeke: then enable three button emulation and press the two buttons at the same time |
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| 00:25.11 | zeke | caphuso: i'm working on that. |
| 00:25.12 | zeke | thanks |
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| 00:26.04 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: and the ink in the think would probably last me 5+ years |
| 00:26.05 | Blissex | Z0l: again, with TCP you can spoof and artificially narrow windows so that the sending clients goes in congestion recovery mode, and slows down sending, but this has little effect on UDP for example, or tunnels. |
| 00:27.19 | Blissex | Z0l: the basic problem is that wireless, like mos ``ether'' based network, is designed for bursty traffic. |
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| 00:28.17 | prologic | What program/package can i use to do a low level format of a hard disk ? |
| 00:28.46 | sgeigerbot | If you got "ld: cannot open frag.o: No such file or directory" while trying to compile a kernel, what would you do? Where can one get frag.o? |
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| 00:29.49 | Blissex | Z0l: is that enough rambling? do you want to have a search for WEP key based methods to prevent intra-client communications? |
| 00:29.50 | sgeigerbot | prologic: Probably you want fdisk and mke2fs. ...or, if you may *really* lower level format, then you have to get harddrive-specific tools. |
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| 00:30.23 | prologic | sgeigerbot, yeah we need to do a low level format. the hdd is kinda dead... |
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| 00:30.47 | sgeigerbot | prologic: look on the vendor's site for info. I dont' think there's another way... |
| 00:30.52 | prologic | hmm k |
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| 00:31.00 | prologic | so there's no equivilant fdformat for hdd's ? |
| 00:31.07 | sgeigerbot | prologic: Do you know what low-level format does? |
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| 00:31.28 | sgeigerbot | prologic: FYI, /usr/bin/fdformat is obsolete and is no longer available. Please use /usr/bin/superformat instead. Make sure you have the fdutils package installed first. |
| 00:31.32 | prologic | sgeigerbot, yes I do :) it needs to be done though, because it order to get our money back on the hdd we need to do tests ourselves. |
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| 00:31.57 | sgeigerbot | prologic: get the software from the drive manufacturer. |
| 00:31.58 | prologic | sgeigerbot, fdutils is installed. just wondering about the same thing for hard disks. so it's manufacture specific ? |
| 00:32.10 | beta3 | prologic: cat /dev/zero > /dev/hdXY will give you a low level format |
| 00:32.11 | sgeigerbot | prologic: This is not a Debian question. |
| 00:32.22 | LSorensen | prologic: you don't format hd's in general. you put filesystems on them. low level is manufacturer specific |
| 00:32.29 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Um...I don't think that's right. |
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| 00:32.39 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: shh, I was trying to make him think |
| 00:32.42 | LSorensen | beta3: no it will write 0's all over the drive using the exising lowlevel format |
| 00:32.57 | sgeigerbot | prologic: See...LSorensen is backing me up.... |
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| 00:33.33 | LSorensen | prologic: you haven't really done lowlevel format since the days of scsi1 (or the occational very confused scsi3 drive) or on ESDI drives |
| 00:34.12 | michal | hi. i'm trying to figure out what the problem is with one of our ancient network -> parallel port adapters.. they're actually connected to an nt4 machine and i have been told they don't use tcp/ip at all and their "port" driver just connects based on the MAC address of the adapter.. however using arping I can't pind the MAC addresses even of printers that are still working.. are there any other tools i could use to help me figure out what the |
| 00:34.14 | LSorensen | prologic: it was done on old drives where the interleave could be changed to make the HD controller (which was slower than the drive often) have more efficient transfers |
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| 00:34.27 | joels_ | I'm getting an ide error in `slot_tablelen' when I try to compile my kernel |
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| 00:35.02 | LSorensen | michal: they may not implement support for any part of ethernet other than what they use themselves, including arp |
| 00:35.16 | LSorensen | michal: afterall they don't have IP addresses do they? |
| 00:35.21 | beta3 | joels_: thats about as useful as electricity on rubber |
| 00:35.41 | joels_ | I was trying to get vfat support |
| 00:36.01 | LSorensen | joels_: I thought all debian's kernels already included that |
| 00:36.10 | joels_ | mine did not |
| 00:36.20 | LSorensen | joels_: you built yours badly then :) |
| 00:36.25 | michal | LSorensen: well they DO have MAC addresses. that's how you configure the windows port driver for them |
| 00:36.36 | joels_ | fine fine, but I need to get it put in |
| 00:36.54 | LSorensen | michal: sure. but if all they do is listen for specific traffic for their address, that doesn't mean they ever reply with anything, or only with that specific protocol |
| 00:36.55 | joels_ | and it's getting an error whether I make the vfat change or not in the ide directory on that table |
| 00:37.14 | LSorensen | joels_: what are you changing? |
| 00:37.26 | joels_ | only Vfat support |
| 00:37.35 | joels_ | but if I just compile it as is, it has the same error |
| 00:37.35 | michal | LSorensen: ok.. i guess that makes sense.. would that mean they don't appear in my arp cache? because they don't :/ |
| 00:37.36 | LSorensen | joels_: in which config? |
| 00:37.57 | LSorensen | michal: yeah if they don't announce themselves, they won't appear |
| 00:37.58 | joels_ | File systems of make menuconfig |
| 00:38.19 | LSorensen | joels_: so you did make menuconfig, selected vfat, did make depend, and all that? |
| 00:38.33 | LSorensen | joels_: which compiler version are you using? |
| 00:38.39 | joels_ | hmmm |
| 00:38.40 | LSorensen | joels_: and where did the kernel source come from? |
| 00:38.48 | joels_ | how do I find out |
| 00:38.54 | LSorensen | joels_: gcc --version |
| 00:38.55 | joels_ | I'm running unstable |
| 00:39.03 | LSorensen | joels_: what version of kernel source? |
| 00:39.32 | joels_ | gcc 3.3.2 20030908 |
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| 00:40.41 | LSorensen | joels_: the kernel is? |
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| 00:41.01 | joels_ | 2.42 I guess |
| 00:41.10 | joels_ | but I don't remember off hand |
| 00:41.13 | LSorensen | joels_: check the top of the Makefile |
| 00:41.17 | LSorensen | joels_: it matters |
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| 00:41.32 | joels_ | 2.4.18 |
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| 00:42.21 | LSorensen | joels_: hmm, I don't know if 2.4.18 likes gcc 3.3 and/or sid's binutils. kernel-source-2.4.24 might be a better start, or using one of the precompiled kernels |
| 00:43.04 | joels_ | if I change source will it keep the same set-up? |
| 00:43.10 | joels_ | after the recompile? |
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| 00:43.23 | LSorensen | joels_: if you copy the .config file and run make oldconfig to add any new options to it |
| 00:43.50 | joels_ | where can I get the new source? |
| 00:43.52 | isaac_ | how come when i try to mount my cdrom it says 'no medium'? :/ |
| 00:43.53 | J_P | people, how i delete all mails in mailq ? |
| 00:43.59 | LSorensen | joels_: apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.24 |
| 00:44.18 | LSorensen | joels_: and you may want to do an upgrade of everything in general since your packages appear to be 3 or 4 month out of date |
| 00:44.19 | jarjar26 | Cron execute task put not send report to root , why ?? |
| 00:44.27 | J_P | LSorensen ok with alsa |
| 00:44.29 | LSorensen | jarjar26: there was no output? |
| 00:44.32 | LSorensen | J_P: yay |
| 00:44.32 | joels_ | I just did an update upgrade and a reboot |
| 00:44.48 | LSorensen | joels_: your gcc version is 4 months older than unstable's gcc |
| 00:44.52 | jarjar26 | LSorensen: yes if i execute command i see outpout |
| 00:44.53 | joels_ | hmmm |
| 00:44.54 | J_P | LSorensen only one problem |
| 00:44.57 | joels_ | that's odd |
| 00:45.08 | LSorensen | joels_: did you do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 00:45.22 | LSorensen | J_P: which is? |
| 00:45.22 | joels_ | just apt-get upgrade |
| 00:45.24 | jarjar26 | LSorensen: i have recently change exim for postfix i think they have linl |
| 00:45.42 | LSorensen | joels_: maybe dist-upgrade will upgrade the rest |
| 00:45.43 | joels_ | although it's saying 317 not upgraded |
| 00:45.47 | joels_ | so I will |
| 00:45.48 | LSorensen | joels_: that would explain it. |
| 00:46.14 | joels_ | thanks I'll get recompiling |
| 00:46.21 | Xenocide | hey, is there a way to look at the README files for a package in apt without installing it? |
| 00:46.34 | LSorensen | Xenocide: not that I know of easily |
| 00:46.38 | Xenocide | =/ |
| 00:46.41 | caphuso | Xenocide: you can download and dpkg -x it |
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| 00:46.45 | Xenocide | hmm. |
| 00:46.47 | caphuso | (it == the package) |
| 00:47.27 | Xenocide | package.d.o seems to come close |
| 00:47.27 | Xenocide | has file listings |
| 00:47.27 | Xenocide | but doesn't serve actual files for the most part |
| 00:47.27 | Xenocide | perhaps a liscencing issue |
| 00:47.27 | LSorensen | Xenocide: it would take a ton of space to keep all files around |
| 00:47.27 | caphuso | Xenocide: no, a common sense issue |
| 00:47.33 | herk | anybody recently started having problems with apache or mysql logfiles being empty? |
| 00:47.45 | LSorensen | Xenocide: are you going to volunteer to store the 50GB or so for them? |
| 00:47.55 | Xenocide | LSorensen: how does jigdo work? |
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| 00:48.14 | J_P | LSorensen i do : alsamixer -c 0 (first plate) ok, and -c 1 for second ok too, but for get sound i need do aumix /dev/mixer change confs and after alsa show music.. |
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| 00:48.29 | LSorensen | Xenocide: it grabs packages and assembles them in a specified order the way a cd image would store the files, and then I believe it uses rsync to fill in the few missing bytes in the cd image |
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| 00:48.36 | prologic | RAID cards, what sort of raid card is recommended to use with Debian ? |
| 00:48.48 | Matthew_I | can you buy highspeed mini rewritables? |
| 00:48.50 | Xenocide | LSorensen: hmm. i thought it grabbed actual files, guess thats a bit different |
| 00:48.51 | LSorensen | J_P: did you unmute and turn up the volume on both the pcm/wave and the master? |
| 00:49.00 | LSorensen | Xenocide: yes it grabs actual .deb's |
| 00:49.15 | LSorensen | Xenocide: that's what's on the cds after all |
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| 00:49.29 | Xenocide | ah, i guess thats true |
| 00:49.33 | LSorensen | Xenocide: and it is what is on the ftp sites |
| 00:49.39 | LSorensen | Xenocide: and what apt downloads |
| 00:49.48 | J_P | LSorensen i not understand your sentece! |
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| 00:50.32 | LSorensen | J_P: in alsamixer. make sure that it does NOT say MM (mute) above the master volume, or the PCM volume. and use cursor keys to turn of the master and pcm volumes to like 75 or 80% |
| 00:50.39 | LSorensen | J_P: I think m toggles mute |
| 00:51.38 | LSorensen | J_P: cursor up down adjusts volume, cursor left/right selects channels (keep going right for more channels) |
| 00:51.51 | Matthew_I | I know you can buy normal 1-4x mini rewritables but are high speed 4-10x rewritables sold? |
| 00:52.20 | J_P | LSorensen i set all for the max up |
| 00:52.28 | J_P | in c0 and c1 |
| 00:52.33 | J_P | erroneus LSorensen ? |
| 00:52.45 | J_P | -c 0 and 1 |
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| 00:56.20 | prologic | What sort of RAID controllers have been known to work well with Debian ? |
| 00:56.28 | prologic | Need to know before we buy a RAID card. |
| 00:56.47 | beta3 | prologic: any raid controller that isn't software based |
| 00:56.52 | beta3 | prologic: hardware raid |
| 00:56.52 | prologic | ok |
| 00:56.54 | prologic | so hardware raid |
| 00:56.57 | prologic | cool |
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| 00:57.06 | beta3 | prologic: hardware raid should be completely undetectable to any os |
| 00:57.09 | prologic | from the mailiing lists I've read on, megaraid seems popular |
| 00:57.20 | beta3 | prologic: don't use promise cards ... |
| 00:57.28 | prologic | promise ? as in the brand ? |
| 00:57.32 | beta3 | yes |
| 00:57.40 | prologic | okay |
| 00:57.42 | prologic | megaraid ok ? |
| 00:57.42 | beta3 | they are all cheap software raid cards |
| 00:57.46 | beta3 | let me check |
| 00:57.52 | prologic | thank you |
| 00:57.54 | cafuego | mmmmrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! |
| 00:58.03 | cafuego | prologic: 3ware |
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| 00:58.48 | Matthew_I | is there any way to disable preemption at boot tiem? |
| 00:59.01 | cafuego | prologic: For full details, grab a kernel source tree and check what's in there. |
| 00:59.03 | beta3 | prologic: looks good by me, check with cafuego |
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| 00:59.18 | LSorensen | prologic: 3ware seems like a good choice for ide (especially SATA) |
| 00:59.45 | cafuego | For SCSI I'd probably go with Adaptec, but then, that's the only brand I have any experience with. |
| 00:59.50 | prologic | hmm |
| 00:59.51 | prologic | ok |
| 00:59.53 | LSorensen | prologic: they have actively supported linux since 2.0 times. I was told by someone at 3ware last summer that 90% of their customers run linux with their cards |
| 00:59.53 | prologic | well thank you guys |
| 00:59.58 | prologic | I will download a kernel source and have a look |
| 01:00.11 | cafuego | the 3ware driver is actually listed under scsi. |
| 01:00.12 | prologic | 3ware |
| 01:00.13 | prologic | hmm |
| 01:00.22 | prologic | 3ware with ide hard disk ? |
| 01:00.26 | beta3 | 3ware looks better |
| 01:00.29 | cafuego | Not cheap, but you get what you pay for with these things. |
| 01:00.35 | prologic | yup |
| 01:00.38 | cafuego | prologic: yep. |
| 01:00.49 | beta3 | cafuego: promise cards are shit |
| 01:00.49 | prologic | don't really think they need to be buying cheap hardware anyway |
| 01:00.53 | prologic | we just had a cheap hdd die on us |
| 01:00.59 | prologic | write failures |
| 01:01.29 | cafuego | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_3W_XXXX_RAID: 3ware is the only hardware ATA-Raid product in Linux to date. This card is 2,4, or 8 channel master mode support only. SCSI support required!!! |
| 01:01.35 | prologic | hmm I've never used or seen a raid card before, would we need a parallel raid card or serial ? |
| 01:01.45 | prologic | we're looking at mirroring the two drives in case one dies... |
| 01:02.06 | cafuego | prologic: PATA would be cheaper at this stage, and drives are cheaper as well. |
| 01:02.08 | LSorensen | cafuego: they do 12 channel too |
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| 01:02.19 | cafuego | LSorensen: This is from the 2.6.0 kernel. |
| 01:02.21 | LSorensen | cafuego: pata is maybe 5% less and a lot more hassle to cable |
| 01:02.24 | prologic | parallel ATA ? |
| 01:02.32 | beta3 | cafuego: what kind of adapter would u use to connect a ATA 133 to a serial raid card |
| 01:02.32 | prologic | hm k |
| 01:02.34 | cafuego | prologic: PATA == normal IDE. |
| 01:02.40 | LSorensen | prologic: might as well be pain in the ass ATA |
| 01:02.51 | cafuego | LSorensen: it's not that bad. |
| 01:02.54 | LSorensen | prologic: I hate running those 80pin cables |
| 01:02.58 | beta3 | cafuego: ok |
| 01:03.09 | cafuego | LSorensen: Just stick with rounded cables |
| 01:03.16 | LSorensen | prologic: SATA has twice the cable length and 7pins |
| 01:03.20 | beta3 | cafuego: serial is faster isn't it? |
| 01:03.27 | LSorensen | cafuego: I like reducing noise not creating it |
| 01:03.27 | caphuso | beta3: no |
| 01:03.29 | cafuego | beta3: Supposedly. |
| 01:03.38 | LSorensen | cafuego: and sometimes the parallel cables are just too short |
| 01:03.47 | redrick | In that regard, any e-mailed corrections to http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html will be welcome. Aims to summarise state of Serial ATA support. |
| 01:03.53 | cafuego | prologic: And may i recommend a set of 8Mb cache WD drives? |
| 01:03.59 | LSorensen | beta3: SATA can be faster. it doesn't in itself make the HD any faster since that depends on the internals of the drive |
| 01:04.13 | LSorensen | cafuego: yeah nice drives. JB or JD series |
| 01:04.21 | beta3 | LSorensen: I prefer scsi hds |
| 01:04.34 | LSorensen | beta3: I prefer not to waste money on slow noisy drives |
| 01:04.42 | cafuego | nearly full, too :-P |
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| 01:04.46 | LSorensen | cafuego: I put a 120 JD in my dad's machine |
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| 01:05.15 | cafuego | LSorensen: They're nice & quiet & fast. |
| 01:05.20 | beta3 | cafuego: LSorensen: most of my boxes just use 200 gig IDE drives wtih 7200 RPM |
| 01:05.20 | LSorensen | cafuego: yep |
| 01:05.24 | bujin | anybody have installed fuhquake ??? |
| 01:05.33 | sussudio | cafuego: well, only quiet for the first 6 months |
| 01:05.51 | LSorensen | sussudio: not in my experience so far, but we will see |
| 01:06.31 | sussudio | LSorensen: the 80BB is whining like a noob |
| 01:06.43 | LSorensen | sussudio: I don't know the BB series. Just the JB/JD series |
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| 01:06.52 | cafuego | beta3: I used to get Seagates but the WDs are much, much quieter and as bit faster. |
| 01:07.08 | beta3 | cafuego: yeah and also known for bad blocks and hd failure |
| 01:07.14 | cafuego | sussudio: I can't even hear the HDD in this box |
| 01:07.25 | LSorensen | beta3: who? IBM? |
| 01:07.35 | beta3 | cafuego: most are maxtors here, they seem really quite |
| 01:07.35 | LSorensen | beta3: fujitsu? |
| 01:07.35 | sussudio | cafuego: the whine is louder than the 120MM fan |
| 01:07.36 | beta3 | quiet |
| 01:07.40 | beta3 | LSorensen: WD |
| 01:07.47 | cafuego | beta3: Only ever had that on: /dev/hdh1 71G 65G 5.5G 93% /mnt/deathstar |
| 01:07.50 | LSorensen | beta3: they had some issues in the 800M days |
| 01:08.22 | cafuego | LSorensen: These days in tests they come out on top for PATA drives. |
| 01:08.25 | beta3 | cafuego: I only use WD drives that are given to me, I would never buy one |
| 01:08.27 | LSorensen | beta3: I had a maxtor 7200 80G die in less than 24hours. but in general they run well too |
| 01:08.32 | cafuego | s/LSorensen/beta3 |
| 01:08.43 | muaddib | Question has anyone been successful in getting messages recieved by postfix to go to imap folders via LMTP I have been struggling with this for about 9 days |
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| 01:09.08 | beta3 | So far, I haven't had any of my maxtors die, I got most from an overstock of a local computer store |
| 01:09.12 | LSorensen | beta3: that is how I was after the 800M. I started buying them about 6 months ago again after IBM had gone to hell, quantum turned into maxtor and I was left with not many options |
| 01:09.28 | beta3 | cafuego: this Seagate in this box is 6 gig and has been around for 8 years now |
| 01:09.34 | beta3 | cafuego: which seems good imho |
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| 01:09.37 | cafuego | beta3: *old* |
| 01:09.54 | beta3 | cafuego: sure, but its still living |
| 01:09.54 | cafuego | beta3: Either way, i do have smartd running so I'll get email when they go on the blink. |
| 01:09.56 | LSorensen | beta3: the seagates IBM seems to sell as drives for hot swap scsi sure don't seem to last very well |
| 01:10.27 | beta3 | cafuego: firewire drives do the best in tests |
| 01:10.42 | cafuego | beta3: My firewire drives is a Seagate 80Gb in an enclosure. |
| 01:10.45 | LSorensen | beta3: well sure against usb |
| 01:10.57 | beta3 | LSorensen: yeah, usb eats the shit out of your cpu |
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| 01:11.07 | cafuego | But then, that sits on the Mac. |
| 01:11.13 | beta3 | my firewire card has its own processor chip and is much better on resources |
| 01:11.44 | michal | cafuego: you use the matrox commercial drivers with a g550 don't you? (for XFree86) |
| 01:11.49 | cafuego | michal: No. |
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| 01:12.13 | beta3 | maxtor still seems to be most reliable in a large quantity sense here |
| 01:12.20 | michal | cafuego: hmm.. i think i have you confused with caphuso then :P sorry |
| 01:12.22 | beta3 | I have seen WD drives go left and right before |
| 01:12.28 | cafuego | michal: I use them with a G450. |
| 01:12.36 | michal | WD drivers are too loud in my opinion |
| 01:12.48 | beta3 | WDs are quiet |
| 01:12.51 | michal | I like seagate for the lack of noise and decet speed.. and SATA. |
| 01:12.54 | beta3 | so are these Maxtors |
| 01:12.56 | cafuego | michal: The only drive that's quieter than my WD is a dead drive. |
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| 01:13.13 | michal | the WD's I have had (3 of them) have all been loud |
| 01:13.20 | cafuego | michal: ANd it outperforms the seagates by about 10%. |
| 01:13.24 | michal | and I'm talking the 120gb ones |
| 01:13.27 | beta3 | cafuego: can't hear my drives anyway, the fans are obnoxiusly loud |
| 01:13.30 | michal | with 8meg buffers |
| 01:13.30 | cafuego | Mind you, that's on hdparm. |
| 01:13.38 | michal | i don't use any fans |
| 01:13.41 | LSorensen | beta3: I have seen dead IBM, fujitsu, maxtor, WD, seagate and quantum. certain series or models much more than others. What am I supposed to buy? |
| 01:13.55 | cafuego | LSorensen: 2Tb of RAM and a UPS. |
| 01:14.05 | beta3 | LSorensen: don't know, but I still prefer Maxtor |
| 01:14.21 | beta3 | cafuego: this box is the best on noise |
| 01:14.36 | michal | the older seagates used to be quieter.. but they still make the best speed vs noise compromise IMHO |
| 01:14.39 | LSorensen | beta3: I am a bit annoyed that they sell different drives under the same model number. |
| 01:14.42 | beta3 | cafuego: about 2 months ago, I put in a water cooling system which makes it much quieter in this room |
| 01:14.51 | LSorensen | beta3: the raid1 doesn't like it |
| 01:14.55 | cafuego | beta3: Mine's fine too, mind you, the pair of servers in the corner output enough noise to drown out a chopper anyway. |
| 01:15.13 | beta3 | cafuego: not a single fan in it, I have coolers even around the hds |
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| 01:15.19 | LSorensen | michal: ever heard a 2G half height baracuda? |
| 01:15.20 | michal | my computer is silent.. except for the sometimes slow spinning 120cm cpu fan |
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| 01:15.44 | cafuego | beta3: The arrays of 7200rpm scsi drives need fan cooling, especially in summer when the ambient temp goes to 40+C |
| 01:15.58 | michal | LSorensen: quite possibly. but if it makes noise i don't like it.. i don't care about any of the other attributes if it makes noise |
| 01:16.04 | LSorensen | cafuego: nah, they just have to be in a cool room |
| 01:16.06 | beta3 | cafuego: the opteron box has that |
| 01:16.18 | cafuego | LSorensen: There's no such thing in summer in melbourne. |
| 01:16.28 | beta3 | cafuego: dual opteron box has water cooling along with big scsi raid arrays |
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| 01:16.30 | LSorensen | cafuego: I am sure your local ISP has a room that way |
| 01:16.39 | VChriZZnb | re |
| 01:16.49 | beta3 | cafuego: and round cables :) |
| 01:16.51 | cafuego | LSorensen: I'm sure adding full airco to the house would be cheaper then co-location. |
| 01:16.58 | LSorensen | cafuego: probably. :) |
| 01:17.02 | VChriZZnb | can someone help me with softwware raid ??? im using raidtools |
| 01:17.05 | cafuego | LSorensen: Especially with a decent ISP. |
| 01:17.18 | LSorensen | VChriZZnb: have you looked at mdadm ? |
| 01:17.18 | VChriZZnb | mkraid -f /dev/md0 |
| 01:17.21 | cafuego | michal: ... so whatw as your Matrox question again? :-) |
| 01:18.05 | VChriZZnb | http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/dlhp/aktuell/DE-Software-RAID-HOWTO-8.html#ss8.4 |
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| 01:18.11 | VChriZZnb | raid 0 |
| 01:18.16 | VChriZZnb | mkraid -f /dev/md0 tells me: |
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| 01:18.26 | VChriZZnb | parsing configuration file |
| 01:18.32 | VChriZZnb | raid level 0 not supported |
| 01:18.39 | VChriZZnb | detected error on line 2: |
| 01:18.44 | cafuego | VChriZZnb: Use a kernel with raid support |
| 01:18.46 | VChriZZnb | raid-level 0 |
| 01:18.53 | VChriZZnb | mkraid: aborted |
| 01:18.53 | LSorensen | VChriZZnb: is raid0 support in your kernel as a module or built in? |
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| 01:19.04 | aw_ | I have a machine with 3 networ adapters, one is connected to the internet via road runner, the other two are for 2 lans, is it possible to have a firewall and nat for both of the internal addapters? |
| 01:19.11 | VChriZZnb | erm.. im using 2.4.22-2-686-smp |
| 01:19.14 | LSorensen | aw: sure |
| 01:19.17 | cafuego | aw_: yes |
| 01:19.23 | VChriZZnb | lsmod ... tells: |
| 01:19.28 | M0RPHINE | hi - running debian, having some problems with SATA drives... was wondering if anyone knows more about these than I do. When i run 'hdparm -tT /dev/hda' .. i get a whole bunch of 'invalidate: busy buffer' messages. Is there a fix? This happens with dma enabled/disabled |
| 01:19.38 | beta3 | imho, the noise is gone with h2O cooling, but you bring in other factors |
| 01:19.38 | cafuego | aw_: Put the firewall on the external adapter, though. |
| 01:19.47 | aw_ | is there a software package that can help me set that up, kind of like firestarter? |
| 01:19.55 | LSorensen | M0RPHINE: which kernel version? which SATA controller? |
| 01:20.01 | beta3 | cafuego: condensation on cpus |
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| 01:20.06 | Blissex | aw_: yes of course, and you can either roll your own or use something like 'fwbuilder'. You should be asking in #iptables. |
| 01:20.09 | VChriZZnb | lsmod shows loaded modules "raid0" and "md" |
| 01:20.15 | cafuego | aw_: As for nat, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <rr-interface> -j MASQUERADE |
| 01:20.20 | LSorensen | VChriZZnb: hmm, check the syntax carefully then |
| 01:20.27 | LSorensen | VChriZZnb: not sure if mdadm helps with the config |
| 01:20.31 | beta3 | cafuego: Im using neoprene and some nice silicone stuff |
| 01:20.46 | VChriZZnb | its right... im chcking and checking and cant find an error |
| 01:20.55 | VChriZZnb | mdadm ? |
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| 01:21.08 | aw_ | cafuego, Blissex: thanks! I'll go to #iptables now. |
| 01:21.11 | LSorensen | VChriZZnb: md admin. useful tool it seems |
| 01:21.25 | LSorensen | dpkg: info mdadm |
| 01:21.26 | cafuego | aw_: /usr/share/doc/iptables/html will be a good help too, the whole HWOTO is there. |
| 01:21.31 | dpkg | mdadm: (Manage MD devices aka Linux Software Raid), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.4.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 65 kB, Installed size: 138 kB |
| 01:21.38 | VChriZZnb | apt-cache show mdadm |
| 01:21.40 | M0RPHINE | LSorensen, using kernel 2.4 from the debian 3.0 bf2.4 install. WD120 SATA Drives ... motherboard is a ABIT IC7 |
| 01:21.43 | VChriZZnb | ill ry it |
| 01:21.52 | aw_ | cafuego, as always, thanks! |
| 01:21.54 | LSorensen | M0RPHINE: does bf2.4 even support SATA? |
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| 01:22.11 | LSorensen | M0RPHINE: I suggest using a full 2.4 kernel too, although I doubt it will help in this case. A newer kernel may |
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| 01:23.28 | LSorensen | M0RPHINE: I think 2.4.22+ may have SATA support for some controlers as would 2.6.x |
| 01:23.50 | M0RPHINE | LSorensen, think if I compiled 2.6 it might get ride of it? Thing is, it has been working OKAY for a lil while, after the 3rd reboot, i started getting those error messages |
| 01:23.58 | cafuego | LSorensen: I think you're supposed to flip soemthing in th bios on 2.4 kernels to make it see the drives as normal pata. |
| 01:24.00 | VChriZZnb | nope, dont want to work :(( |
| 01:24.04 | LSorensen | M0RPHINE: hmm, odd. not sure |
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| 01:24.33 | LSorensen | M0RPHINE: having a native SATA driver would probably help though |
| 01:24.49 | LSorensen | VChriZZnb: is raidtools new enough? |
| 01:25.07 | LSorensen | VChriZZnb: using raidtools or raidtools2? |
| 01:25.25 | VChriZZnb | "raidtools" |
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| 01:25.41 | LSorensen | VChriZZnb: that's old style. not supported in new kernels. use raidtools2 |
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| 01:26.04 | VChriZZnb | and how do i have to write the raidtab? |
| 01:26.17 | LSorensen | VChriZZnb: it should have examples in /usr/share/doc/raidtools2 |
| 01:26.17 | VChriZZnb | the current one, does not work with raditools2 |
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| 01:26.23 | dho | hello, does anyone know where an ipod would be in /dev, or how i could find out? |
| 01:26.34 | dho | ipod/ any other fw device i supose |
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| 01:26.48 | EsJayAre | Hmmmmm |
| 01:26.50 | Justin_ | dho: dmesg |
| 01:27.00 | LSorensen | dho: depends if it shows as a normal disk or requires special software. probably /dev/sda if sbp2 driver is loaded |
| 01:27.11 | dho | ok thanks |
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| 01:27.16 | dho | Justin_: huh |
| 01:27.30 | LSorensen | dho: sbp2 is the generic firewire disk driver |
| 01:27.41 | EsJayAre | How do I get bind to do a zone transfer? |
| 01:27.56 | M0RPHINE | LSorensen, i'm new to debian, but not to linux, is it possible to apt-get the kernel? Or should I just compile from source? |
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| 01:28.26 | sussudio | !tell M0RPHINE about caps |
| 01:28.29 | nicky | Grr. I've gone from kernel 2.2.20 to 2.4.24 on a Sparc and it seems to have broken my network configuration. |
| 01:28.35 | Yetiszaf | M0RPHINE: it is possible. |
| 01:28.37 | LSorensen | M0RPHINE: you can apt-get a newer kernel if you are running testing or unstable. woody (stable) uses 2.4.18 only |
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| 01:29.02 | EsJayAre | M0RPHINE yes it is possible, you can apt-get both sources, patches, and binaries |
| 01:29.06 | LSorensen | M0RPHINE: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 01:29.24 | gh0zt | i'm having trouble configuring X with my nvidia tnt2 videocard here. |
| 01:29.25 | M0RPHINE | ah i see |
| 01:29.31 | Yetiszaf | Can anyone tell me why postfix bounces all my mail stating status=bounced (data format error. Command output: hardy+"": Bad protocol )? |
| 01:29.42 | gh0zt | any suggestions? should I install a binary driver first? |
| 01:29.58 | Xenocide | ghozt: if you just want it to work, use the "nv" x driver |
| 01:30.00 | VChriZZnb | yeah, thx, raidtools2 works :) |
| 01:30.02 | VChriZZnb | big thx |
| 01:30.03 | VChriZZnb | gg |
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| 01:30.19 | Xenocide | gh0zt: if you want 3d accelleration, ask in #nvidia |
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| 01:30.59 | redrick | karsten: Each of the 1024 nodes is a 4-way. |
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| 01:31.05 | M0RPHINE | LSorensen, EsJayAre: do i just 'apt-get install kernel-image-<version number>' ... don't tell me its that simple? then edit lilo.conf right? |
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| 01:31.29 | joels_ | how do I compile the new kernel source if I've apt-get installed it? |
| 01:31.37 | gh0zt | Xenocide: during the configuration process, how am i supposed to know waht the video card's bus identifier is? |
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| 01:31.41 | redrick | Hmm. |
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| 01:32.22 | Xenocide | ghost: good question. i dont remember that. only needed to install once |
| 01:32.38 | zugzug | hey ive pluddeg in a new hd its detected i created partition extended linux and linux swap with fdisk ..but when i try to mount it says bad superblock how do i format the hd to ext2? |
| 01:32.47 | gh0zt | xf86config doesn't ask for that, but i can't seem to get it configured with that. |
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| 01:33.09 | dho | what is sbp2 under in apt? |
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| 01:33.40 | gh0zt | question to the channe: During debian x configuration, how do I know what the video card's bus identifier is? |
| 01:33.40 | witless | does jabber have ssl support compiled in? |
| 01:33.55 | qwerty_ | zugzug mke2fs /dev/whatever1 you should use ext3 just add a -j to it. |
| 01:33.55 | xam | ghost: lspci ? or 'X -scanpci' ? |
| 01:33.58 | caphuso | gh0zt: do you have more than one video card or a non-x86 CPU? |
| 01:34.03 | TML | gh0zt: By running lspci and looking for "VGA Adapter" or something |
| 01:34.09 | zugzug | ok thx |
| 01:34.22 | gh0zt | caphuso: no |
| 01:34.28 | caphuso | gh0zt: then you don't need to know |
| 01:34.49 | Xenocide | but it was sure nice of the installer to ask |
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| 17:38.08 | *** topic/#debian is 2.6 won't boot? /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking questions about kernel compilation || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT for 2.4 (<.24), 2.6(<.1?) DSA: http://xrl.us/bbg3 ADV: http://xrl.us/bbbs || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people || flood in #flood, not here || http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 17:38.15 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 17:38.15 | DrupWork | anyone have or know where i can get kernel-headers-2.4.17-686-smp.deb ? |
| 17:38.22 | sgeigerbot | silas: ...and are you sorry about that fact? Are you going to apologize? |
| 17:38.52 | silas[work] | eeyore-: Yeah, but the symptoms are slightly different, but that's the bug. |
| 17:39.04 | cc | sgeigerbot: I was wondering if there was a default set or something? |
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| 17:39.34 | silas[work] | sgeigerbot: Nope. I've come to terms with my idiocy a long time ago. =) |
| 17:39.53 | silas[work] | sgeigerbot: So I'm no longer sorry for it. It just is. |
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| 17:40.15 | isaac_ | doesn't cdrecord + 2.6.x _not_ require you to use ide-scsi? |
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| 17:40.23 | silas[work] | sgeigerbot: sorry implies I can fix it, but I'll always be an idiot. I just hope to make it a lesser degree. |
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| 17:41.16 | caphuso | isaac_: 2.6 requires you to not use ide-scsi, because it's too broken |
| 17:41.36 | sgeigerbot | silas[work]: okay good. Don't apologize for being stupid. Just be stupid. The Being-Stupid-And-Apologize-For-Being-Stupid Protocol v. 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Being-Stupid Protocol. |
| 17:41.36 | silas[work] | caphuso: Are there alternaives to get burners working? |
| 17:42.05 | silas[work] | sgeigerbot: Precicely. =) |
| 17:42.15 | isaac_ | caphuso: how the heck do you burn a cd then? point me to some docs :/ |
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| 17:42.21 | caphuso | silas[work]: no, linus decided that it simply isn't worth the trouble to support cd burners and released 2.6 without support for them... |
| 17:42.42 | isaac_ | ?! |
| 17:42.46 | isaac_ | that's it, i'm getting windows |
| 17:42.50 | silas[work] | sgeigerbot: I'm working on the next-generation being-stupid-but-less-so-every-day protocol. It's still alpha though. |
| 17:43.02 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: I'm glad he added computer monitor support. |
| 17:43.23 | caphuso | isaac_: you can directly burn to ATAPI burners with 2.6, given a reasonably new cdrecord/cdrdao |
| 17:43.30 | sgeigerbot | isaac_: STFU is not Chinese food, so shut the fuck up. |
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| 17:43.47 | isaac_ | sgeigerbot: sure it is |
| 17:43.52 | silas[work] | caphuso: I was asking more if the alternative is drop-in, or are new/updated userland tools needed as the alternative? |
| 17:44.06 | caphuso | silas[work]: see above |
| 17:44.27 | isaac_ | sgeigerbot: i had a big plate of Szechuan Tamped Fried U-something yesterday |
| 17:44.37 | isaac_ | caphuso: any docs on this? (i'm googling..) |
| 17:44.40 | Pheener | I hate you for making me hungry. |
| 17:45.02 | Pheener | Anything that starts with Szechuan ends with amazingly good. |
| 17:45.15 | sgeigerbot | Pheener: STFU is not Chinese food, so shut the fuck up. |
| 17:45.22 | caphuso | isaac_: the cdrecord docs should be a good starting point |
| 17:45.42 | isaac_ | caphuso: yeah, i'm reading those currently. |
| 17:45.43 | Pheener | I believe you meant shut the fuck up amazingly good. |
| 17:45.50 | ricky_clarkson | sgeigerbot: man strfry |
| 17:46.28 | streuner | sgeigerbot: can you say something about the subject? |
| 17:46.28 | isaac_ | hey, would you look at that. |
| 17:46.30 | isaac_ | caphuso: works now :) |
| 17:46.32 | isaac_ | caphuso: cheers |
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| 17:46.40 | sgeigerbot | ricky_clarkson: NICE! |
| 17:46.47 | isaac_ | .. or maybe it doesn't |
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| 17:47.23 | Maquiavelo | I heard kernel 2.6 has experimental support for nforce2 motherboards, is this true ? |
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| 17:48.42 | Maquiavelo | *crickets* |
| 17:48.53 | Pheener | that would be nice |
| 17:48.56 | Pheener | Considering I have one. |
| 17:48.58 | Pheener | But I don't know. |
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| 17:49.15 | Pheener | I should've really, y'know, separated those sentences. |
| 17:49.19 | Doubletwist | I've just installed debian 3.0r1 and updated.... but I can't seem to get it to load the module for an intel eepro100 :( |
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| 17:49.39 | zimba | what tool should I use to configure X11 ? |
| 17:49.55 | streuner | zimba: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 17:50.01 | ecraven | is there a way to log all keystrokes? i want to know what keys i use most.. |
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| 17:50.49 | xerophyte | Does anybody know how can i change the private key password with GnuPG |
| 17:50.51 | xerophyte | ? |
| 17:51.15 | Doubletwist | The nic is seen in /proc/pci as an Ethernet controller... anyone have advice on this? |
| 17:51.17 | zimba | streuner thx |
| 17:51.33 | ricky_clarkson | xerophyte: Generate a new key. |
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| 17:51.56 | cahoot | Maquiavelo: there is support for nforce2 yes |
| 17:51.56 | streuner | Doubletwist: /msg dpkg real kernel |
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| 17:52.16 | xerophyte | ricky_clarkson if i generate a new key will my public key change i dont want o change my public key |
| 17:52.17 | Doubletwist | I have put on a new kernel... |
| 17:52.19 | ricky_clarkson | I started a program from an xterm, now I want the xterm back. Is there some Ctrl-Letter combination to background the program? |
| 17:52.27 | ricky_clarkson | xerophyte: Don't change your password then. |
| 17:52.29 | Maquiavelo | cahoot is it any good ? |
| 17:52.29 | Doubletwist | Both with eepro100 as a module, and compiled on. |
| 17:52.32 | Doubletwist | compiled in rather |
| 17:52.35 | Pheener | Do pocket pc's have ethernet ports? |
| 17:52.39 | hyde | ricky_clarkson: ^z |
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| 17:52.51 | cahoot | Maquiavelo: good as in running - yes |
| 17:53.00 | streuner | Doubletwist: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 17:53.01 | amphi | ricky_clarkson: and bg |
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| 17:53.04 | xerophyte | ricky_clarkson thanks for helping me but thats not answer i am looking for there is way to change the password without recreating the keys |
| 17:53.08 | Pheener | Holy shi- |
| 17:53.10 | ricky_clarkson | hyde: Hmm, I did that, then exited and the program stopped. |
| 17:53.11 | MFen | any nethackers here? how do you use a different tile set? |
| 17:53.16 | Pheener | Does that mean it has nforce2 LAN drivers? |
| 17:53.18 | hyde | ricky_clarkson: bg to background the prog |
| 17:53.18 | Doubletwist | Currently 2.4.18-1-686-smp |
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| 17:53.20 | darsie | hi! I just installed gnome 45 (2.4), How do I activate enlightenment? |
| 17:53.20 | ricky_clarkson | xerophyte: The password is part of the keyset, afaik. |
| 17:53.21 | Xenguy | xerophyte: the must be |
| 17:53.31 | xerophyte | Eimis thats rude |
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| 17:54.12 | Xenguy | xerophyte: "passwd Change the passphrase of the secret key." |
| 17:54.22 | Xenguy | xerophyte: see the man page for gpg |
| 17:54.51 | streuner | Doubletwist: run 'modconf' and use 'dmesg | grep Ethernet' to see is your NIC compiled in |
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| 17:56.45 | Doubletwist | streuner: It's not compiled in with this kernel. It's a module which wont load. I also tried compiling my own kernel, with it compiled in, and still it won't recognize it :( |
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| 17:57.04 | xerophyte | Xenguy i am trying to export the keys from windows to linux box .. |
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| 17:57.45 | joaocarlos | anyone is getting problem to install epiphany-browser on sid? |
| 17:57.48 | xerophyte | Xenguy if i understood you can get the private key without password am i right .. if someone has access to the box and they can export the private key without password but to use it you need passwrod just wondering |
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| 17:58.05 | streuner | Doubletwist: tell us the output of 'dmesg | grep Ethernet' |
| 17:58.11 | ricky_clarkson | Can you get apt-get to upgrade 10 packages at a time or something, rather than all 600? |
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| 17:58.28 | Doubletwist | streuner nothing. No output at all. |
| 17:58.41 | Maquiavelo | interesting |
| 17:58.42 | Maquiavelo | 666 users. |
| 17:58.43 | Xenguy | xerophyte: I've never tried that - it might work (but the Manual is yer friend if no one else responds :-) |
| 17:58.50 | streuner | Doubletwist: and with lspci the same? |
| 17:59.04 | darsie | hmm, maybe I can select enlightenment from KDM. |
| 17:59.30 | Doubletwist | lspci shows two Ethernet controllers. The Tulip [which is loaded fine] and the Intel Corp "Unknown Device" |
| 17:59.39 | greycat | !find Nethack.ad woody |
| 17:59.50 | Doubletwist | Are there any issues with putting a 2.4.24 or 2.6.x kernel on a debian stable system?? |
| 18:00.06 | greycat | Doubletwist: no, yes. |
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| 18:00.21 | kensanata | when i log in using wdm, ssh-add is called, but it seems to have no effect -- when i open a shell and use ssh-agent -l, no identities are listed. manually calling ssh-agent will work, however. i assume a bug in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xfree86-common_ssh-agent. does anybody have a clue? |
| 18:00.22 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Nethack.ad' returned no results. |
| 18:00.27 | greycat | !find NetHack.ad woody |
| 18:00.31 | storm | Getting a wierd error on my wife's sid box. It rebooted itself and now it won't boot from grub or lilo. |
| 18:00.33 | streuner | Doubletwist: you need an backport for dhcp-client then (2.6 kernel) |
| 18:00.35 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'NetHack.ad' returned no results. |
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| 18:01.00 | Doubletwist | I won't need dhcp support. Is that the only issue with 2.6? |
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| 18:01.11 | streuner | Doubletwist: module-init-tools as backport (apt-get.org) |
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| 18:01.29 | kensanata | storm: have you tried a rescue system (ie. boot from cd, then mount the partitions on your harddisk)? |
| 18:01.37 | streuner | Doubletwist: 2.95 gcc compiles 2.6 kernels fine |
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| 18:01.54 | storm | When I try to boot from the HD I get a blank screen with blinking cursor, when trying to boot from floppy, I get GRUB Loadingstage2read Error |
| 18:02.02 | storm | It boots fine from a Knoppix CD. |
| 18:02.27 | kensanata | storm: can you start a rescue system, ie. boot kernel from floppy, but mount root from the harddisk? |
| 18:02.34 | kensanata | storm: maybe you just need to reinstall grub. |
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| 18:02.42 | Doubletwist | Ok, Thanks for all your help. |
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| 18:03.27 | storm | kensanata: I did a grub-install, but I am going to dpkg -r grub and lilo (I installed lilo to see if it would boot) and reinstall agian. |
| 18:03.50 | gridline | bye |
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| 18:03.57 | streuner | Doubletwist: well, you have to find out what chipset and what model the NIC is |
| 18:04.06 | kensanata | storm: yeah, maybe you need to write a new master boot record or something... at least the data is not lost. :) |
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| 18:04.47 | Doubletwist | streuner Should be an Intel EtherExpress Pro 100... but it's built in to the motherboard so they may have done something odd with it. It worked in Redhat 9 though.... |
| 18:04.51 | Doubletwist | For now I"m going to try 2.4.24 |
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| 18:04.54 | rarco | hi, does anyone know if there is an openoffice package (non-official, of course) with java support? |
| 18:05.01 | storm | The grub reinstall will take care of that, right? (Of course, I thought the lilo install would too). |
| 18:05.08 | douglasrfc | quit |
| 18:05.23 | storm | Installing grub now. |
| 18:05.41 | streuner | Doubletwist: deadrat9 use an old 2.4 kernel, so... |
| 18:05.53 | storm | It's 0.93+cvs20031921 |
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| 18:06.21 | KursK | dammit I get a "cannot open APM" with Xfree86 4.1 and a ATI Rage 128. It worked but after updating my files (destroyed XF86config) it did not work again...any suggestions? |
| 18:06.39 | magaete | since I can do so that a program is executed at the boot time?? |
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| 18:07.10 | isaac_ | KursK: make it not try to use APM |
| 18:07.16 | isaac_ | KursK: try Option "DPMS" "Off" |
| 18:07.34 | KursK | isaac_, okido |
| 18:07.39 | isaac_ | japan! |
| 18:07.51 | Ra1stlin_ | hi all |
| 18:07.52 | streuner | Doubletwist: is that ISA or PCI? |
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| 18:08.00 | nwo-lap | which tool do you recomment for writing .tex files? |
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| 18:08.08 | Doubletwist | It's PCI |
| 18:08.09 | isaac_ | man, LFS isn't a very good book |
| 18:08.16 | isaac_ | actually, yes it is |
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| 18:08.53 | KursK | isaac_, strike you did it |
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| 18:09.19 | KursK | isaac_, any explanation for this? Rage just does not like it? |
| 18:09.25 | isaac_ | KursK: i have no idea :/ |
| 18:09.32 | isaac_ | KursK: maybe read some docs at xfree86.org? |
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| 18:10.07 | KursK | isaac_, okay :) hell I nearly lost my nerves...maybe later I'll read, but now it's time for weekend...erf |
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| 18:10.21 | isaac_ | KursK: go drink an eight pack and a tallboy and do it tomorrow when you're hungover |
| 18:10.25 | isaac_ | i always do my best work hungover :) |
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| 18:10.38 | rarco | nwo-lap: kile is a pretty good app to write latex documents |
| 18:11.26 | storm | kensanata: I reinstalled grub, ran grub-install, and update-grub, and still getting a blank screen when trying to boot from the hard drive. |
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| 18:13.08 | cyberyo | io |
| 18:13.18 | storm | wonder if I should try a dpkg -P and reinstall... |
| 18:13.55 | kensanata | storm: hm. assuming the disk is damaged, did the system ever run a file system check on it? |
| 18:14.08 | kensanata | storm: eg., when you booted from the rescue system and mounted the partitions... |
| 18:14.10 | KursK | isaac_, hehe, nono at monday...tomorrow I'll finish my gateway and reinstall the mysql-stuff...sunday is no-computer-day...I hope... |
| 18:14.19 | KursK | damn computers |
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| 18:14.57 | kensanata | anybody here using ssh-agent and logging in from xdm/wdm/gdm whatever? no problems? |
| 18:15.12 | streuner | Doubletwist: what the hell did you do? 2.4.18 has support for this NIC, are you sure you have this chipset? |
| 18:15.28 | storm | kensanata: No, never fscked it. You get so used to running journalling filesystems and forget the basics...:) It didn't recommend an fsck either...But I will do it. |
| 18:15.29 | Nayton | onde eu baixo o Ware Line ?? |
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| 18:15.42 | lex | Is there something like ssh but that doesnt encrypt? I need something like ssh alex@something "tar cz xxx.tar.gz" | tar xz - but without the encription overhead |
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| 18:16.50 | storm | kensanata: Is there a way to check the MBR? |
| 18:17.14 | Nayton | Brazil : ond eu baixo o Ware Line ?? |
| 18:17.24 | kensanata | storm: i don't think so. but then again, it seems that at least some part of grub was able to run, therefore i assume the MBR to be ok. |
| 18:17.28 | ddm | I'm about to install snort on one of my servers running woody. Is it "better" (safer) to use the old version in woody or to download a new version (perhaps 2.1 from backports)?? |
| 18:17.35 | streuner | Doubletwist: to say it in other words, there are NONE issues with this NIC... |
| 18:17.54 | ddm | ddm: backports.org that is |
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| 18:17.58 | storm | kensanata: I was getting the GRUB message from the boot floppy. Every attempt to boot from the HD resulted in a blank screen. |
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| 18:18.32 | kensanata | storm: ah. well, i'm not sure how to check that part of the disk... :/ |
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| 18:19.37 | storm | kensanata: I was considering finding a windows box (harder than it sounds in my house) and making a boot disk and doing an fdisk /mbr and then reinstalling grub... |
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| 18:21.00 | caphuso | storm: and what would a dos mbr do for you? |
| 18:21.15 | Nayton | Brazil ond eu baixo o Ware Line |
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| 18:22.30 | storm | caphuso: Get me to a known starting point. I know lilo and grub should overwrite anything thats there, but I have seen in documentation (a long time ago) that an fdisk /mbr wasn't a Bad Thing. |
| 18:23.05 | caphuso | storm: well, if you use "fdisk /mbr" or lilo or grub to overwrite the MBR doesn't make any difference at all |
| 18:23.15 | caphuso | storm: you can also use dd if you like |
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| 18:24.06 | storm | Good point, was just a thought...Though I am wondering if the problem is in /boot, because the boot disk I made had a problem with stage 2 and getting read errors. |
| 18:24.09 | Kelt | how do you specify a card number with bttv? |
| 18:24.17 | keta | are there any freenode ipv6 servers with ssl support? |
| 18:24.22 | caphuso | Kelt: /path/to/kernelsrc/Documention/video4linux/bttv/* |
| 18:24.25 | qwer | alguien ha montado un router en debian? |
| 18:24.38 | Nayton | Brazil ond eu baixo o Ware Line. por favor |
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| 18:25.26 | streuner | keta: why do you think you need ssl, in an channel with almost 700 people? |
| 18:25.30 | keta | Nayton: talk polite, or such, english, por favor |
| 18:25.47 | LoRez | Nayton: this would be the wrong place to ask anyway |
| 18:26.18 | Nayton | keta: Ware Line, download ?? link ?? |
| 18:26.19 | Jared | Are there any mirrors with the 2.6.1 kernel sources up yet? The NVIDIA driver installer needs the kernel sources. I compiled my kernel on a different box and copied it over to this one |
| 18:26.28 | keta | streuner: bah, you're right, I wasn't thinking |
| 18:26.34 | ricky_clarkson | Nayton: uno vino bianco presto! |
| 18:26.57 | LoRez | keta: afaik none of the ipv6 servers do ircs, but I think brunner does it on v4 |
| 18:27.04 | JimButton | ricky_clarkson: i prefer red :) |
| 18:27.05 | Nayton | ricky_clarkson: BRASIL. Ware Line (kazaa), link . download |
| 18:27.15 | ricky_clarkson | Oops, I assumed that as keta was speaking, it was Italian. |
| 18:27.16 | keta | ricky_clarkson: ahahah, hi! |
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| 18:27.25 | ricky_clarkson | buongiorno, keta. |
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| 18:28.02 | keta | LoRez: ok, thanks. |
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| 18:29.36 | keta | ricky_clarkson: heh he wasn't, italian people would know where to download warez, no need to ask there |
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| 18:29.44 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
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| 18:32.25 | Serif | hello all, I am a Redhat refugee trying to learn debian and I am having an issue during install of Sarge. |
| 18:32.30 | Serif | I have successfully installed woody before and I tried to do an "apt-get dist-update" to sarge but that isn't helpful so I decieded to do a clean install of sarge on my machine with sarge. |
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| 18:32.37 | Serif | I download the recent sarge cd ISO and now I get error: modprobe: failed to load module ide-disk. HOw do i resolve this problem? |
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| 18:33.04 | somiaj | Serif: install woody (stable), and learn on that, once you get familar with woody, then think about upgrading to sarge or sid. |
| 18:33.08 | caphuso | Serif: by not using an installer that's clearly labelled *beta* |
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| 18:33.25 | somiaj | Serif: the sarge cd's are all in a testing state and are not guarnteed to work. |
| 18:34.06 | Serif | how can I resolve that error tho? |
| 18:35.22 | deadlock | Which is teh command to configure the network in debian? |
| 18:35.23 | Serif | I had used woody for quite a bit now but on my laptop I can't get my PCMCIA card to work b/c of a driver issue when I compile 2.4 kernel (which I need for iptables.) |
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| 18:35.45 | somiaj | Serif: that iso could just be broken. |
| 18:36.07 | ee99ee | when I hit the "home" key to go to the front of the line, my terminal just prints a ~.... what's wrong? terminal settings somewhere? |
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| 18:36.14 | somiaj | deadlock: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:36.15 | ee99ee | in my SSH session, rather |
| 18:36.27 | deadlock | somiaj: thnx:) |
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| 18:36.43 | somiaj | deadlock: once you get your /etc/network/interfaces set up, then its /etc/init.d/network restart (or start or something like that, you can also use ifup, ifdown and ifconfig if you prefer) |
| 18:37.03 | Serif | thanks. I will download another cd. |
| 18:37.29 | deadlock | somiaj: Hm.. but I dont even have the network card installed yet... |
| 18:37.30 | somiaj | Serif: you may have better luck with the netinstall for sarge if you still decide to run woody despite our advice..(: |
| 18:37.48 | cahoot | ee99ee: maybe /etc/inputrc |
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| 18:38.05 | Serif | thanks, I will do the netinst |
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| 18:38.34 | Xenguy | ee99ee: Ctrl-a should work |
| 18:38.45 | somiaj | deadlock: what kernel are you using, you may just need to modprobe the driver first, you can also try modconf to find the module you need for your network card, also if its pci, lspci might help you identify our card if you don't know what it is. |
| 18:38.51 | ee99ee | Xenguy: so should home, but it's not.... cahoot: any idea what it should be? |
| 18:39.18 | ee99ee | end works fine |
| 18:39.20 | ee99ee | just not home |
| 18:39.49 | somiaj | ee99ee: could be a keyboard mapping error, where are you sshing from and what are you sshing to, (os used) |
| 18:40.01 | deadlock | somiaj: On a windows station it says "Intel(R) PRO/1000 MT Network Connection" |
| 18:40.24 | somiaj | deadlock: its a gigabit card? |
| 18:40.26 | deadlock | somiaj: It also says "3Com 3c920" |
| 18:40.39 | ee99ee | sshing from windows using putty |
| 18:40.44 | ee99ee | going into debian |
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| 18:40.57 | somiaj | deadlock: what does lspci say? |
| 18:41.12 | storm | kensanata: reiserfsck reports no corruption found. |
| 18:41.39 | deadlock | somiaj: bash: ispci: command not found |
| 18:42.06 | somiaj | deadlock: lspci (not is) |
| 18:42.21 | somiaj | deadlock: if its the Intel one, the module name is e1000 |
| 18:42.36 | somiaj | deadlock: so try modprobe e1000 |
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| 18:42.42 | deadlock | at the top... host bridge Intel corp unknown device |
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| 18:43.35 | deadlock | at the botoom 01:0c.0 Ethernet Controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 100e (rev 02) |
| 18:43.39 | somiaj | deadlock: it shouldn't be talking about a host bridge, you should see an entry for the network card, or ethernet device. |
| 18:44.20 | deadlock | modprobe: Can't locate module e1000 |
| 18:44.50 | somiaj | deadlock: from the looks of the pci list, its not the gigabit card, its just a intell pro 100, so try the e100 or eepro100 module. |
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| 18:45.46 | deadlock | e100 = cant locate module |
| 18:45.57 | deadlock | eepro100 ? no cards found |
| 18:46.13 | Pheener | This all really scares me. |
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| 18:46.26 | Pheener | I mean, I'm a total linux newb, other than Mandrake... |
| 18:46.32 | Pheener | And I'm not even installing debian right. |
| 18:46.42 | somiaj | deadlock: what kernel are you using and debian version (uname -a for kernel version) |
| 18:47.00 | deadlock | 2.2.20 |
| 18:47.03 | somiaj | Pheener: give us more info, what cd are you using to try to install debian, etc |
| 18:47.05 | Pheener | And then all these people with their foreign problems... "It's not seeing my mouse." "I can't get my network card running." "I have hair where I shouldn't." ... I'm getting worried. |
| 18:47.24 | somiaj | deadlock: that's the problem, get a real kernel...are you using woody? |
| 18:47.25 | Pheener | Oh, my problem is sheer ignorance, probbaly. |
| 18:47.29 | Pheener | probably* |
| 18:47.33 | ee99ee | is there a way to prevent exim from ever being installed? it seems half of the packages depend on it, and I do not want it |
| 18:47.40 | ricky_clarkson | I'm ignorant as to what my problem is. |
| 18:47.47 | caphuso | ee99ee: install a MTA that's not exim |
| 18:47.49 | stevewabc | <Pheener> You may want to look at Labranet to its debian |
| 18:47.49 | deadlock | somiaj: ok... yeah think soo... have seen "woody" been printed all over:) |
| 18:47.52 | somiaj | ee99ee: you need an MTA. |
| 18:47.54 | LoRez | ee99ee: install ssmtp |
| 18:47.57 | ee99ee | caphuso: I am going to install qmail |
| 18:48.02 | ee99ee | not through dpkg, though |
| 18:48.03 | caphuso | ee99ee: then do it |
| 18:48.07 | caphuso | ee99ee: why not? |
| 18:48.12 | ricky_clarkson | ee99ee: You can actually get away without having an MTA, but it's not clever and it's not funny. |
| 18:48.14 | ee99ee | b/c I want to build it |
| 18:48.25 | caphuso | ee99ee: aha, and what do you think the qmail-src package does? |
| 18:48.29 | Pheener | I've been trying to do the sarge unstable netinst... and... I finally got things going right... and then when I rebooted to do the base-config, it presented me with a login prompt which didn't respond to root/<nopwd> |
| 18:48.33 | ee99ee | caphuso: oh |
| 18:48.34 | ee99ee | :-) |
| 18:49.15 | somiaj | deadlock: cat /etc/debian_version, but what you need to do is apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.18 and install the one that best fits your machine (ie 386, 686, k6, k7, etc) |
| 18:49.37 | deadlock | 3.0 |
| 18:49.59 | somiaj | Pheener: well if your new to debian and linux use the offical stable realse, the reason lots of people have problems is beyond all reason they go and try to install the testing or unstable version then cry that they don't work right. |
| 18:50.09 | stevewabc | Being a newbee you need to start out with the EASY stuff then move from there |
| 18:50.27 | deadlock | apt-cahce just returned |
| 18:50.27 | somiaj | deadlock: that's woody, you need to get a 2.4.18 kernel. |
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| 18:50.47 | deadlock | (nothing happened) |
| 18:51.00 | somiaj | deadlock: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.18 |
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| 18:51.06 | javex | what is the program used to show the system stats(at the left) in this screenshot ? http://www.me.berkeley.edu/~sushil/kazaaScreenshot.jpg |
| 18:51.14 | marklwrk | what is the easiest way to get an X desktop going, assuming I already have xfree86 working? |
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| 18:51.23 | deadlock | somiaj: Hm... I need a internet connection for that right? |
| 18:51.29 | marklwrk | i have been through it before and it basically involved a couple of days of apt-getting |
| 18:51.42 | Pheener | I agree with you somiaj, but all of my diehard linux friends peer-pressure me into doing all the risky stuff. :( |
| 18:51.47 | somiaj | marklwrk: if you have X allready working then the easiest way is to apt-get install the stuff you want, there are lots of desktop options. |
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| 18:51.55 | marklwrk | for example, if i want to try the kde suite, is there something as easy as "apt-get kde" |
| 18:52.03 | marklwrk | somiaj: too many options, heh |
| 18:52.21 | marklwrk | somiaj: this is for a new user, i just want something like Red Hat's default |
| 18:52.29 | caphuso | then instal redhat |
| 18:52.36 | somiaj | Pheener: well its your fault for listening to them, (: |
| 18:52.38 | caphuso | s/al/\1l/ |
| 18:52.43 | marklwrk | caphuso: thanks for the constructive suggestion |
| 18:53.07 | somiaj | marklwrk: well that is gnome or kde most likely, I like gnome better, so apt-get install gnome-session gnome-panel sawfish-gnome |
| 18:53.17 | Pheener | Hehe, truth. |
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| 18:53.29 | ocran | Hello |
| 18:53.30 | Pheener | I don't mind, really. |
| 18:53.47 | Pheener | Y'know, I love puzzle games... and there's no puzzle game I've found that's more fun than a linux install. |
| 18:53.48 | caphuso | marklwrk: you're welcome. can we now get to the point where you define "redhat's default" so that someone using debian not redhat can understand what you mean with it? |
| 18:54.35 | Kelt | what modules do radio tuners use in debian? |
| 18:54.46 | deadlock | somiaj: still there? |
| 18:54.51 | somiaj | Pheener: debian stable mis really stable and is gonna work under almost any config, so its best to install that first and get use to it, then the nice thing about that is once you get confortable and understand how things work so you can break things when they break, its really easy to upgrade to the testing/unstable distro. |
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| 18:54.56 | somiaj | deadlock: yup |
| 18:55.10 | deadlock | somiaj: I cant apt-get without a internet connection right? |
| 18:55.16 | Pheener | Yeah, but I was confused about the netinst of the stable version. |
| 18:55.19 | somiaj | Pheener: so you can fix broken things |
| 18:55.22 | caphuso | deadlock: you can |
| 18:55.30 | deadlock | ok? |
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| 18:55.52 | somiaj | deadlock: yes if you scaned all your cd's, it will just ask you to put cd X into the drive, though I belive he kernel images we are looking for one like cd 4 or 5. |
| 18:56.00 | deadlock | It cant find any kernel-image-2.4.18 |
| 18:56.05 | joesixpack | how can i change a user password as root if that user forgot its password? |
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| 18:56.13 | caphuso | joesixpack: passwd username |
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| 18:56.21 | deadlock | somiaj: oh:( I only got 1 cd....:/ |
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| 18:56.34 | Pheener | If I have nforce2, should I go for the 2.6 kernal? |
| 18:56.38 | Pheener | Will that be an option? |
| 18:56.42 | Pheener | WIth the stable release. |
| 18:56.44 | TheFdM | is there a french channel to debian ?? |
| 18:56.46 | caphuso | Pheener: no |
| 18:56.54 | caphuso | TheFdM: #debian-fr |
| 18:56.57 | Pheener | Not an option, or no I shouldn't. |
| 18:57.03 | TheFdM | thank you |
| 18:57.04 | caphuso | Pheener: not an option |
| 18:57.07 | Pheener | Damn. |
| 18:57.09 | joesixpack | caphuso: thanx |
| 18:57.11 | deadlock | somiaj: Is there anyway too install network drivers from CD1? |
| 18:57.13 | somiaj | deadlock: goto packages.debian.org then just seach and download the deb that you need for the kernel. |
| 18:57.20 | Pheener | How will it recognize my LAN then |
| 18:57.21 | Pheener | ? |
| 18:57.35 | ocran | I am setting up a firwall right now, what port do i need to keep open to allow samba to go thorugh? |
| 18:57.43 | caphuso | Pheener: a real NIC or the onboard stuff? |
| 18:57.44 | deadlock | ocran: 139 |
| 18:57.51 | ocran | deadlock Thanks! |
| 18:58.00 | Pheener | Well, I have both. |
| 18:58.05 | deadlock | ocran: np:) |
| 18:58.08 | somiaj | Pheener: in stable you can compile your own kernel or use the closed source nvidia nforce drivers, so you do have options, they are just not included in stable. |
| 18:58.13 | caphuso | Pheener: the onboard one won't work |
| 18:58.17 | deadlock | somiaj: Ok... I guess I have to make some cds then... |
| 18:58.18 | Pheener | I have an Nforce2 onboard lan, and a 3com pci |
| 18:58.20 | Pheener | Actually |
| 18:58.25 | somiaj | ocran: acually its 137-139, I belive it uses all of those |
| 18:58.26 | Pheener | It's not a pci, it's also onboard. |
| 18:58.28 | Pheener | Dual lan. |
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| 18:59.05 | Pheener | But see, that's where my newbness comes in. What's involved in compiling a kernel... I know that's kind of a general question. |
| 18:59.09 | somiaj | deadlock: you just need onepackage. |
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| 18:59.25 | ocran | somiaj, ok, I will run some tests |
| 18:59.26 | deadlock | ok... but it doesnt fit on a floppy right? |
| 18:59.51 | somiaj | deadlock: correct, I just thought of that, is it another machie or are you duel booting it right now |
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| 19:00.56 | deadlock | somiaj: I am working on a project at school so I have... hm... 5 computers here... But this one is actually at my home with remote connection:) |
| 19:01.01 | somiaj | Pheener: yea, my suggestion is to toss that pice of shit nforce2 and get a real board, if ya have some linux buddies who can help ya though a kernel complication it may not be to hard, its easy to compile, hard to configure unless you have a good understanding of what the kernel is. |
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| 19:01.31 | Pheener | Well, er |
| 19:01.38 | Pheener | The motherboard is really fucking fantastic for windows. |
| 19:01.55 | Pheener | Which is my primary operating system, since the linux thing is becoming a small hobby. |
| 19:02.01 | kreg | clear |
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| 19:02.50 | Rienzilla | what's wrong with nforce2? |
| 19:03.06 | somiaj | deadlock: well then I guess cd is your best bet, might want to leave it an open session if you find other things you need to put on it, also if when you install off the cd, you use the bf2.4 (or bf24) option, it will install off of a 2.4.18 kernel instead of the 2.2.20 one |
| 19:03.30 | kromagg | Rienzilla: it's got some stuff that's completely undocumented, nvidia is in general very unfriendly to free software development |
| 19:03.43 | Pheener | Yeah |
| 19:03.46 | Rienzilla | well as long as you stick with console stuff... |
| 19:03.47 | Pheener | personally, I hate nvidia... |
| 19:03.51 | somiaj | Rienzilla: the fact that nvidia doesn't release the spects and close sources their drivers so its hard to implement a free driver and the nvida ones are some times a pain in the ass. |
| 19:03.56 | Pheener | But I have no problems with this board. |
| 19:03.56 | Rienzilla | the ide controller is supported fine |
| 19:04.09 | deadlock | somiaj: Is there a CD image that will have everything I need you think? Maybe that would be a godd thing to try if so... I need to get home to burn anyway... have no burner here:( |
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| 19:04.19 | Pheener | In fact, it's an Nforce2 board with a radeon in it. |
| 19:04.24 | Pheener | It's like a slap in the face. |
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| 19:04.52 | somiaj | deadlock: yea, on the 7 woody cd's every woody package is there somewhere, I just don't know which cd would have the kernel-images on it. |
| 19:05.09 | Rienzilla | Pheener: you'll be ok then |
| 19:05.15 | kromagg | I think cd 7 |
| 19:05.23 | kromagg | or 6 |
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| 19:05.30 | debianuser | is there a redhat conversion tool to convert it to debian |
| 19:05.34 | Rienzilla | I have an nforce 2 board working with both a 2.4 and a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:05.42 | deadlock | somiaj: Ok... I just thought if there was a simple 1CD iso somewhere whith alot of drivers and few programs |
| 19:05.45 | somiaj | kromagg: I belive cd 4 or 5 if I creall correctly for the images, are you sure you aren't thinking source...I wonder if there is a place you can look that up. |
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| 19:05.56 | KrispET | debianuser: alien |
| 19:06.10 | kromagg | somiaj: yeah now that you say it, I think 6 are 7 are only source |
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| 19:06.31 | coolnewbie | hi i have configured ftp server with vsftpd i would like to assingn a port another than 20 for vsftpd how can i do that |
| 19:06.50 | kromagg | configure it to use another port? :) |
| 19:06.53 | Pheener | Rienzilla, can I ask you a few things, then, if you got it working? |
| 19:07.07 | somiaj | coolnewbie: check the man page or the config file in /etc, I'm sure its a clearly marked option |
| 19:07.22 | jewbie | is there a channel i can go to to ask questions about "hunt"? |
| 19:07.52 | coolnewbie | no it has only one option in vsftpd.conf connect_from_port_20 |
| 19:07.52 | somiaj | jewbie: random guess, #hunt |
| 19:08.00 | jewbie | tried it |
| 19:08.00 | jewbie | nothing there |
| 19:08.16 | kromagg | jewbie: check their website |
| 19:08.32 | jewbie | couldn't find info... that's why im here |
| 19:08.41 | coolnewbie | somiaj:there is no option to specify a custom port |
| 19:08.47 | Pheener | Alright. |
| 19:08.47 | jewbie | the man doesn't even tell you how to use it, really |
| 19:09.03 | Rienzilla | Pheener: sure |
| 19:09.14 | Pheener | So if I wanted to do a stable netinst, should I get this wacky "bf2.4-3.0.23-netinst.iso"? |
| 19:09.16 | somiaj | coolnewbie: well try a google search, or try connect_from_port_20=no and then list the port, I just can't recall what it would be since I disabled all my ftp servers in favor of ssh servers and sftp |
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| 19:10.05 | kromagg | it's gotta be in the docs |
| 19:10.05 | coolnewbie | somiaj:what is sftp |
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| 19:10.15 | kromagg | defining the port it uses is like one of the most common things you can come across |
| 19:10.19 | ricky_clarkson | coolnewbie: Kind of like FTP, but using SSH. |
| 19:10.19 | jewbie | n e 1? know how to use hunt? |
| 19:10.29 | ricky_clarkson | jewbie: Mike Hunt? |
| 19:10.33 | jewbie | ha |
| 19:10.34 | jewbie | no |
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| 19:10.48 | jewbie | its a program that i installed linux so i could run |
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| 19:11.18 | coolnewbie | can i install it with apt get |
| 19:11.19 | somiaj | coolnewbie: its part of the ssh package, and it can connect via the sshd server, its basicalyl an encrypted ftp option, there are lots of programs which use it no, including a nice gpl one in windows (winscp)....ftp is just inherientlly insecure. |
| 19:11.21 | debianuser | any tool |
| 19:11.44 | debianuser | any tool in redhat similar to apt-get |
| 19:11.56 | somiaj | coolnewbie: yes apt-get install ssh, then you'll have ssh (a secure telnet like connenction) and sftp stuff |
| 19:11.57 | debianuser | hello |
| 19:11.59 | jello_ | debianuser: fedora has apt |
| 19:12.07 | coolnewbie | somiaj:i have ssh enabled in my system |
| 19:12.10 | somiaj | debianuser: goto #redhat to ask question like that |
| 19:12.18 | coolnewbie | somiaj:so can i use sftp |
| 19:12.19 | somiaj | coolnewbie: then its already installed....go read some docs |
| 19:12.20 | kyon | If an app is run in the background and you log out, is there any way to log back in and get control of its std in/out again? |
| 19:12.26 | debianuser | something to update a kernel on redhat |
| 19:12.29 | deadlock | somiaj: Giving up for today now.... thanks for all help!:) |
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| 19:13.41 | thebug | anyone know the new url of the marillat apt-get repos? |
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| 19:14.52 | Mage | thebug: check http://marillat.free.fr |
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| 19:15.38 | petemc | !+marillat |
| 19:15.38 | dpkg | add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. |
| 19:15.44 | thebug | ahhh |
| 19:15.53 | thebug | see, that's changed in the past month or so |
| 19:15.58 | thebug | thanks |
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| 19:17.20 | mike_ | I have a VIA8233A onboard sound controller and ive modprobed the via82cxxx_audio driver and tried playing an mp3 (after turning evrything up in a mixer) and it plays but I get no sound - is there a different driver I need to be using? |
| 19:17.57 | Mage | apt-get install aumix-gtk |
| 19:18.25 | mike_ | and? |
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| 19:18.43 | clint_ | MikeN: it's just low volume or mute most likely |
| 19:18.58 | clint_ | use the mixer program to change it |
| 19:19.37 | mike_ | clint_: i checked |
| 19:19.46 | mike_ | clint_: thats what i said in my original message - made sure everything was unmuted and turned way up |
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| 19:20.35 | clint_ | mike_: hrmm..never expierenced that..usually if I doesn't give an error, it works...yeah, it's got to be an issue with the driver...you could try some of the latest alsa drivers |
| 19:20.43 | silas[work] | Linux doesn't work on Centriono processors, does it? |
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| 19:22.33 | clint_ | MikeN: I have the exact same audio chipset btw..it works with the kernel module, but it's stuck with a 48K sampling rate only..havne't fixed that yet |
| 19:22.56 | mike_ | hm |
| 19:23.15 | clint_ | MikeN: you have the Abit KD7SA board by any chance? |
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| 19:23.40 | mike_ | do you have to modprobe any other modules besides the via82cxxx_audio driver? |
| 19:23.47 | mike_ | ga-7va |
| 19:23.48 | mike_ | gigabyte |
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| 19:23.51 | clint_ | oh |
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| 19:24.06 | clint_ | I don't think you should have to..I have the module built into my kernel |
| 19:24.20 | clint_ | 2.6.0 |
| 19:24.33 | Ushrani | somebody know how install apache2???? (apt-get install apache2 doesnt work) |
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| 19:25.02 | LoRez | Ushrani: what does it say? you have to pick an mpm package? |
| 19:25.14 | valberg | hey! i got a prob... my sound doesn't work... |
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| 19:25.34 | clint_ | valberg: wonderful, how can we help? |
| 19:26.30 | kreg | exit |
| 19:26.32 | Ushrani | LoRez: i only want install webserver apache2 |
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| 19:27.06 | gino | cc |
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| 19:29.15 | trxyrt | i downloaded an unstable distribution but it offers no installer, just a shell after some basic configuration |
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| 19:29.26 | trxyrt | is there a command to launch an installer? |
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| 19:30.01 | Paranoi | hello, i"am searching for icecast2 for debian woody ... any hints? |
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| 19:31.18 | dondelelcaro | trxyrt: install stable, then upgrade to unstable. |
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| 19:31.47 | dondelelcaro | trxyrt: or, if you actually completed the installation process, run aptitude and install whatever you want. |
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| 19:32.24 | trxyrt | hm so there is no way to install that unstable |
| 19:32.25 | hackervalley | hello |
| 19:32.30 | trxyrt | the normal way |
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| 19:32.46 | trxyrt | because i downloaded all that stuff at university, my line is quite slow |
| 19:32.47 | dondelelcaro | trxyrt: upgrading from stable to unstable *is* the normal way to install unstable. |
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| 19:33.02 | trxyrt | really,...my god |
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| 19:33.26 | trxyrt | i tried the hungarian images because the line is fast to here |
| 19:33.37 | trxyrt | sorry i am completely new to this |
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| 19:33.45 | lustknabe | do the unstable images have an installer? |
| 19:33.48 | dondelelcaro | trxyrt: unstable changes every 24 hours, so there's no point to having specific unstable installation cds. |
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| 19:34.07 | valberg | clint_: ohh... sry... was away from the comp. for a while... well i could really use some help to define what the problem is... |
| 19:34.18 | dondelelcaro | lustknabe: could be, but they're completely pointless... they're out of date by the time you burn them. |
| 19:34.19 | trxyrt | well they got one but it ends at the configuration of some kernel basics and then offers a bash shell |
| 19:34.26 | tjk | valberg: sound problems, you say? |
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| 19:34.47 | clint_ | valberg: we need more info of course |
| 19:34.51 | valberg | tjk: yes.... |
| 19:34.52 | tjk | valberg: do you have the kernel modules loaded? |
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| 19:35.15 | trxyrt | so it will work to install 3.0r2 and then upgrade to unstable |
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| 19:35.21 | dondelelcaro | trxyrt: yes. |
| 19:35.32 | trxyrt | i guess i just have to change the apt configuration to use unstalble sources |
| 19:35.33 | valberg | tjk: well.. i think so... |
| 19:35.36 | dondelelcaro | trxyrt: if you actually have a shell on the new machine, you can just install whatever you want, though. |
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| 19:36.05 | lustknabe | dondelelcaro: yeah, but it would save some time if you could directly install to unstable |
| 19:36.06 | dondelelcaro | trxyrt: just run aptitude and select whatever you want to install. |
| 19:36.11 | dondelelcaro | lustknabe: not really... |
| 19:36.20 | trxyrt | alright i will try that... |
| 19:36.45 | dondelelcaro | lustknabe: assuming you've got a decent mirror, it takes less than 30 minutes to install a box on unstable... |
| 19:36.46 | tjk | valberg: think so? does it say it finds your card or not? (check dmesg) |
| 19:36.51 | lustknabe | and i actually know people who have those unstable CDs |
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| 19:36.58 | trxyrt | i think i've got 3.0r1 somewhere, but it didn't work out last install so i thought unstable might like ma graficscard better |
| 19:36.59 | lustknabe | no broadband connection at home.... |
| 19:37.41 | dondelelcaro | lustknabe: I know they're out there, they're just not particularly usefull, even without a fast net connection... |
| 19:37.48 | lustknabe | hehe |
| 19:38.03 | lustknabe | yeah, i have my own unstable mirror on my second box |
| 19:38.05 | valberg | tjk: it says this cmpci: found CM8738 adapter at io 0xec00 irq 10 |
| 19:38.05 | clint_ | trxyrt: what I usually do is start with a stable install, and then update everything and install the rest from the net..do you have broadband? |
| 19:38.09 | lustknabe | updated nightly |
| 19:38.16 | lustknabe | yeah |
| 19:38.20 | valberg | tjk: and my card is a CM8378 |
| 19:38.30 | valberg | tjk: or so i remember wait a min... |
| 19:38.31 | trxyrt | no i don't |
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| 19:38.39 | trxyrt | that's why i dl the images at university |
| 19:38.43 | dondelelcaro | lustknabe: probably better off running apt-proxy instead of a full mirror... |
| 19:38.55 | lustknabe | apt-proxy does not work very well for me |
| 19:39.02 | lustknabe | dunnow why |
| 19:39.03 | tjk | valberg: it may not even matter with those slight differences. Waht happens if you try to use a commandline audio player, like mpg123 or mpg321? |
| 19:39.10 | valberg | tjk: ohh no... its right a CM8738 |
| 19:39.19 | clint_ | trxyrt: I see..I haven't had good luck installing testing and unstable images either..not sure what to tell you |
| 19:39.46 | valberg | tjk: how? |
| 19:39.46 | trxyrt | i once installed knoppix and upgraded it then |
| 19:39.52 | trxyrt | that worked kinda ok |
| 19:40.20 | clint_ | yeah, I never used it |
| 19:40.31 | tjk | valberg: well, either your user doesn't have permissions to access /dev/dsp, or you haven't turned up your audio mixersettings. maybe i should jsut ask you that instead, have you doe those? |
| 19:40.36 | Camel69 | does a hauppauge pvr-250 tv-tuner-card use bttv? |
| 19:41.22 | lustknabe | dondelelcaro: has apt-proxy been updated recently? |
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| 19:41.45 | valberg | tjk: my user is member of the group audio yes... and i have turned up the sound |
| 19:42.02 | tjk | valberg: but no sound comes out? |
| 19:42.07 | dondelelcaro | lustknabe: it's always being worked on. If there's a specific problem, file a bug against it... |
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| 19:42.44 | shamaani | has anyone get Radeon 9600 Pro working with ATIs driver modules? |
| 19:42.51 | valberg | tjk: no... but i've just checked gnome-sound-properties and something with autostarting soundserver was unchecked... |
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| 19:43.08 | jerome | shamaani: you might need a recent x 4.3 from experimental |
| 19:43.33 | shamaani | i tried but it hanged my system totally |
| 19:43.44 | tjk | valberg: you shouldn't need a sound server to play sounds |
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| 19:44.08 | tjk | valberg: what are you using to test it? xmms? |
| 19:44.23 | xaero | anyone know what needs to be installed to get mysql_pconnect to work with php and mysql |
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| 19:44.40 | joels_ | I have a usb mouse problem that I think is my hid and mousedev modules not loading upon upgrade from 2.4.18 to 2.4.24 please help |
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| 19:44.41 | arcangel | hi |
| 19:44.43 | arcangel | in openoffice I open an excell spreadsheet but I have a column that has currency and Open Office put an ' in front of each number. Im trying to do a formula but since it has the ' in front of each number it does not work. Any one knows how to remove the ' without going one by one, its a very very very long list. |
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| 19:45.28 | Kelt | ... |
| 19:45.40 | Katyucha | arcangel: try the option "replace" for replace ' by " " (space) |
| 19:45.58 | Kelt | lol.. i know about as much in excel as i do in maple... |
| 19:46.32 | arcangel | katyucha where is that option |
| 19:46.37 | arcangel | in the tool menu? |
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| 19:46.55 | argonel|work | arcangel: in excel, i would write a little vba macro |
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| 19:47.29 | arcangel | in excel I will cut and paste as value then change to currency :) |
| 19:48.15 | joels_ | module help anybody? |
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| 19:48.45 | argonel|work | joels_: no, thanks, i'm good |
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| 19:49.07 | argonel|work | arcangel: no Paste Special in OO? |
| 19:50.01 | joels_ | well that's sad... my mouse won't work becuase of them... |
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| 19:50.35 | mikeA | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.43 | argonel|work | joels_: oh, *you* want help.. i thought that was an offer |
| 19:51.00 | joels_ | yeah that would be awfully nice |
| 19:51.01 | ricky_clarkson | mikeA: Does $newUser include a \n? |
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| 19:51.30 | joels_ | my hid and mousedev (or any module actually) seems to not load anymore after kernel upgrade |
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| 19:51.40 | mikeA | it's from $newUser = <STDIN>; |
| 19:51.48 | argonel|work | joels_: no sign of it in lsmod? |
| 19:52.05 | joels_ | nope |
| 19:52.25 | ricky_clarkson | mikeA: Try chomp $newUser |
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| 19:52.49 | mikeA | ricky_clarkson: I'll do so, thanks! |
| 19:53.03 | ricky_clarkson | np |
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| 19:53.46 | Rawplayer | What does "ide2: unexpected interrupt, status=0xd0, count=1755" mean this get spammed on my comp the value of count always changes |
| 19:53.48 | argonel|work | joels_: did you try to manually load them? |
| 19:53.49 | deox | Okay |
| 19:53.51 | deox | i've ot a serious problem |
| 19:54.03 | deox | Debby doesn't wanna start up X11 |
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| 19:54.05 | joels_ | How do I do that? |
| 19:54.11 | zophyx | apt eat a big long one |
| 19:54.15 | | ACTION eats a big long one and falls over dead |
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| 19:54.29 | deox | it says "no screens found" |
| 19:54.33 | deox | how on earth do i solve that? |
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| 19:54.44 | zophyx | your X server hasn't started |
| 19:54.55 | deox | i installed the radeon pack in the module installation |
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| 19:54.57 | deox | Well, obviously... |
| 19:55.06 | zophyx | not so obvious |
| 19:55.19 | deox | It certainly doesn't want to start either |
| 19:55.26 | deox | startx spawns "no screens found" |
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| 19:55.43 | argonel|work | joels_: modprobe, insmod.. |
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| 19:56.07 | zophyx | startx 2>errors |
| 19:56.08 | joels_ | modprobe returns can't locate hid |
| 19:56.11 | zophyx | read and see |
| 19:56.21 | deox | zophyx: Okay, i'm going to have to quit BitchX then |
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| 19:56.33 | deox | or can you multi-task? :S |
| 19:56.34 | valberg | tjk: arrhh... sry mate... my mother just had to tell me something about her day :P yeah i use xmms to test with... |
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| 19:56.48 | joels_ | I don't think the upgrade to 2.4.24 carried any of them over |
| 19:56.49 | mikeA | ricky_clarkson: Thanks, works now! |
| 19:56.54 | ricky_clarkson | np |
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| 19:57.37 | argonel|work | joels_: so maybe the modules didn't get built? they did rename some usb devices, but i don't remember when |
| 19:58.10 | argonel|work | Rawplayer: is that an sata drive? |
| 19:58.22 | joels_ | how should I try to rectify it? I did do make modules and make modules_install on the build |
| 19:58.32 | joels_ | and it created a modules directory |
| 19:58.33 | Rawplayer | yes argonel|work i think i know btw the solution |
| 19:58.49 | Rawplayer | my install is with bf2.4 kernel image |
| 19:58.52 | argonel|work | joels_: check your .config and see if the modules you need were built |
| 19:58.57 | Rawplayer | it doesnt support s-ata correctly |
| 19:59.00 | ocran | Is there a way to possibly, to restart dns, on the client side, i have got some odd issues |
| 19:59.11 | Rawplayer | i'am compiling 2.6.1 now |
| 19:59.26 | argonel|work | Rawplayer: could well be, there is a note about needing dma in the .config |
| 19:59.47 | Rawplayer | word93 validation bits should also be turned on |
| 19:59.47 | valberg | tjk: you there ? |
| 19:59.59 | Rawplayer | i couldnt find anything on google |
| 20:00.02 | Rawplayer | ;s |
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| 20:00.17 | deox_ | okay |
| 20:00.22 | deox_ | did that, blank screen for ~2 seconds then nothing happens |
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| 20:00.44 | deox_ | startx gives: Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer)9 on X-Server :0.0 |
| 20:00.44 | argonel|work | !tell Rawplayer about sata |
| 20:01.08 | valberg | tjk: ohh well... have to go... cya |
| 20:01.15 | deox_ | and startx 2>errors doesn't help one bit |
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| 20:02.07 | deox_ | so wth do i do now |
| 20:02.22 | deox_ | there's an xconfig tool |
| 20:02.23 | deox_ | ? |
| 20:02.29 | deox_ | because ATI's website does not work with lynx |
| 20:02.38 | deox_ | *is there an xconfig tool? |
| 20:02.45 | argonel|work | !tell root_ about root |
| 20:02.51 | deox_ | like *sigh* xfdrake? |
| 20:02.53 | ricky_clarkson | deox_: dpkg-reconfigure x- |
| 20:03.03 | ricky_clarkson | deox_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:03.05 | joels_ | argonal the .config seemed to not list any modules at all. ? |
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| 20:03.37 | deox_ | okay will try |
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| 20:05.14 | Rawplayer | thnx argonel|work |
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| 20:05.23 | Rawplayer | those site's will help me |
| 20:05.29 | xerophyte | I have problem only one application seems to use my sound card how can i get other application to use sound card too |
| 20:05.44 | xerophyte | i mean when use the gaim the xmms saysing /dev/dsp is busy |
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| 20:06.28 | xerophyte | is there any way i can use the both application to share the sound card .. someone said to install esnd something i did still no luck anyone please explain to me about this thanks |
| 20:06.37 | Bols | xerophyte: Are you using kde and aRts ? |
| 20:06.50 | liu7 | is there any reason xmms wont start? |
| 20:07.26 | xerophyte | bols i have gnome installed what is arts? |
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| 20:08.05 | Rienzilla | arts is something like esnd |
| 20:08.10 | Rienzilla | it's a daemon which talks to the soundcard |
| 20:08.18 | Valerio | hello everybody |
| 20:08.27 | Rienzilla | programs connect to the daemon, and tell it to play sounds |
| 20:08.29 | xerophyte | Rienzilla, if i use gnome which one should i use |
| 20:08.33 | mmiv | liu7, type xmms in terminal. What does it say? |
| 20:08.34 | Bols | xerophyte: it's a sound server (wich mixs the sounds from several applications to one channel) like esnd |
| 20:08.42 | liu7 | fixed it |
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| 20:08.47 | Rienzilla | xerophyte: it doesn't matter, as long as all applications you want sound from support the daemon |
| 20:08.47 | liu7 | it didn't say anything |
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| 20:09.02 | Valerio | i have a problem with wifi / wlan-ng / prism2_pci / wlan0 problem with debian, someone can help me out ? |
| 20:09.25 | Stereo | Hi there. I'm looking for something to run a wiki. Are there any particularely good or bad engines? Anything you guys would personally recommand? |
| 20:09.26 | xerophyte | how come /msg dkpg esnd does not reply back to me am i doing it wrong |
| 20:09.39 | baz | xerophyte: it's dpkg, not dkpg |
| 20:09.48 | Bols | xerophyte: if you run Gnome, you can use esnd or alsa-mixer |
| 20:10.36 | argonel|work | thanks dpkg :) |
| 20:10.51 | grendal_prime | can anyone explain how to patch a fedora kernel?? |
| 20:11.08 | argonel|work | grendal_prime: first, you get some felt. |
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| 20:11.12 | joels_ | argonal the .config seemed to not list any installed modules (just my menuconfig options) |
| 20:11.24 | xerophyte | bols apt-cache search alsa-mixer returns nothing |
| 20:11.36 | Bols | Mmmh.. |
| 20:11.54 | xerophyte | <dpkg> I give up, what is it?, xerophyte |
| 20:12.01 | Valerio | is there a howto for "Setting a client (debian) to the wifi network" ? |
| 20:12.04 | xerophyte | for the /dpkg esnd |
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| 20:12.26 | argonel|work | joels_: thats exactly what it does.. if the module isn't built, the line for it will be commented out (start with a #) |
| 20:12.33 | xerophyte | bols apt-cache search for esnd returns ntohing |
| 20:12.36 | veleno | anyone ever successfully used DRI with a S3-Savage video card ? |
| 20:12.38 | Camel69 | does ivtv work with 2.6.0??? |
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| 20:13.10 | argonel|work | !tell xerophyte about esound |
| 20:13.16 | liu7 | how can i get the manpage for mounting samba |
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| 20:13.49 | xerophyte | argonel|work, do they have debian package, just wondering |
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| 20:13.58 | joels_ | all the usb support was there but I think it was built into the kernel anyhow, maybe that isn't what's causing my usb mouse to stop working? |
| 20:14.26 | grendal_prime | funne |
| 20:14.29 | grendal_prime | hehehe funny |
| 20:14.36 | g4lt | simonrvn you alive? |
| 20:14.54 | simonrvn | no, i'm alive and slightly chilled |
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| 20:14.58 | deox | okay |
| 20:15.01 | deox | that f*cked up. |
| 20:15.08 | deox | how do i quit the x server |
| 20:15.09 | argonel|work | veleno: http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CategoryHardware |
| 20:15.15 | deox | i managed to get it running, but at VGA,1600x1200 |
| 20:15.26 | deox | which means i can't see 80% of the display |
| 20:15.38 | deox | is there a keycombo to kill X? |
| 20:15.39 | fatal_ | deox: try to zap it... ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 20:15.45 | deox | okay |
| 20:15.50 | deox | does VESA support higher resolutions? |
| 20:15.53 | g4lt | simonrvn look in #-bots, please |
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| 20:16.07 | argonel|work | joels_: you lost me. they are built into the current kernel, or were in the old one? |
| 20:16.14 | deox | and why doesn't it recognize my USB2 HD ? |
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| 20:16.39 | baz | deox: (1) yes, (2) drivers or maybe usbfs |
| 20:16.55 | deox | well, it did work under MDK :s |
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| 20:17.26 | morphine | odd, Debian 3.0 2.4bf kernel, cfdisk'ing problem. It doesn't recognize my WD250GB drive geometry right. Double verified by using Mandrake 9.2 and it sees the drive fine |
| 20:17.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o simonrvn] by simonrvn |
| 20:17.32 | g4lt | thanks |
| 20:17.34 | deox | it saw itself as /mount/sda* |
| 20:17.37 | deox | err |
| 20:17.39 | g4lt | I'll try to clean up after him |
| 20:17.43 | deox | /mnt/sda1 and /mnt/sda2 |
| 20:17.44 | simonrvn | np |
| 20:17.51 | joels_ | argonel well usb support and mouse support were built into the kernel on my last build, I can't currently detect any modules, and my mouse doesn't work after going to the new kernel, so I'm just not sure what I need to do to get it going. |
| 20:17.54 | baz | deox: what did you write in /etc/fstab? |
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| 20:18.12 | CorporateWhore | howdy |
| 20:18.12 | deox | baz: You need to write there manually? |
| 20:18.16 | baz | deox: um, yes |
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| 20:18.22 | argonel|work | joels_: you need to make sure the usb support is getting built somehow, either as modules or builtin |
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| 20:18.26 | deox | Ohkay. |
| 20:18.29 | baz | deox: that would be the first thing I would try if it didn't work |
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| 20:18.42 | CorporateWhore | quick question: I want to install xfree 4.3 - what do I need to add to my sources.list to do so? |
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| 20:19.20 | joels_ | the .config shows both of those as selected when I checked, is that a good enough confirmation? |
| 20:19.47 | argonel|work | should be. |
| 20:20.10 | xerophyte | so there is no deb file for sound demoans .. i mean i can compile just worried about upgrades . can anyone tell me dep sound demoan please |
| 20:20.24 | joels_ | any suggestion as to what I should do then? if I cat /dev/input/mice I get blankness, but my usb mouse is lighted |
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| 20:20.55 | Gecko | How do I telnet to a COM port? |
| 20:21.11 | baz | xerophyte: arts, esd, whatever what you want |
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| 20:21.37 | argonel|work | joels_: lighted just means it has power, afiak |
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| 20:22.07 | ricky_clarkson | Gecko: COM1 is /dev/ttyS0 but I don't think you can telnet to it. |
| 20:22.09 | argonel|work | joels_: read this, maybe it will help: http://www.frogmouth.net/hid-doco/linux-hid.html |
| 20:22.20 | joels_ | ok thanks |
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| 20:22.39 | Gecko | ricky_clarkson: then how do I open a connection to it? |
| 20:22.47 | Gecko | ricky_clarkson: I need something like hyper terminal on windows |
| 20:22.54 | ricky_clarkson | Gecko: Dunno, never tried. |
| 20:22.55 | ricky_clarkson | "The cow is a sacred animal for Hindus who treat them with reverence even when they are not defecating diamonds." |
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| 20:23.28 | argonel|work | hm.. well, ok.. he should like that howto program usb :) |
| 20:23.54 | Gecko | ricky_clarkson: it's called minicom, next time I ask ;) |
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| 20:24.41 | ricky_clarkson | Gecko: Heh, I'll try to remember it. |
| 20:24.46 | argonel|work | which 'they'? the cows or the hindus? |
| 20:25.09 | baz | argonel|work: the hindus, presumably |
| 20:25.14 | xerophyte | baz i could not install esd with apt-get and cache search tell me nothing too |
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| 20:25.34 | baz | xerophyte: apt-cache search esound |
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| 20:26.21 | deoix_ | okay |
| 20:26.23 | deoix_ | now it sends some kind of error code 11 |
| 20:26.27 | deoix_ | i can see the display, it boots |
| 20:26.28 | xerophyte | baz when i say apt-get install arts its install libxxxmysql why does arts need mysql just wondering |
| 20:26.35 | deoix_ | but it just only reaches to the peripherals section |
| 20:26.40 | baz | xerophyte: no clue, never installed kde |
| 20:26.52 | xerophyte | hmmm |
| 20:27.25 | fatal_ | hmm.... xfce4 in sarge would be really nice... wonder why it was removed.... |
| 20:28.16 | baz | sarge is still a long way from release |
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| 20:28.44 | veleno | argonel|work: right, i found my chipset...but it's in the GLX-utah project...never heard about that? |
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| 20:30.28 | Gwadboy_ | slt |
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| 20:31.01 | CorporateWhore | hey, I'm having a gaim problem |
| 20:31.11 | ricky_clarkson | #gaim |
| 20:31.11 | CorporateWhore | whenever I try to open a chat with anytone |
| 20:31.18 | CorporateWhore | will do |
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| 20:33.07 | xerophyte | In redhat you can get package description using rpm -qi package name .. how can oftain the package description using the dpkg? |
| 20:33.17 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: apt-cache show <foopkg> |
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| 20:35.08 | Paranoi | is there a liblame package in debian somewhere, i count not find anything? |
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| 20:35.57 | FB | Paranoi: look at www.apt-get.org |
| 20:36.05 | Paranoi | FB; thx |
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| 20:36.21 | xerophyte | baz i still could not find the e-sound in the apt |
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| 20:38.45 | argonel|work | veleno: there is a package for utah-glx, but i'm not sure this is going to help |
| 20:38.51 | joels_ | where's the file that holds the latest linux boot-up log? |
| 20:39.05 | treestone | joels_: /var/log/dmesg |
| 20:39.09 | joels_ | thanks |
| 20:39.19 | xerophyte | baz got it thanks |
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| 20:41.23 | Camel69 | does ivtv work with 2.6.0??? |
| 20:41.52 | baz | quiet in here tonight |
| 20:42.07 | streuner | it's friday... |
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| 20:42.55 | xerophyte | how can i use the esound to play music when i say esd -d /dev/dsp - using device /dev/dsp ALSA lib pcm.c:1906:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp |
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| 20:45.20 | DJ_SA | can someone tell me why tmpfs /dev/shm shows when i do "df" but i don't have its definition in /etc/fstab? |
| 20:45.37 | cahoot | xerophyte: souncard without support for hardware mixing? |
| 20:45.42 | tjk | it was mount by a script |
| 20:46.08 | DJ_SA | tjk, does it really reside on the harddrive? |
| 20:46.24 | tjk | huh? |
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| 20:46.32 | tjk | does what reside on the hd? |
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| 20:47.15 | baz | dang, can't rip cds. do I want devfs under sarge? |
| 20:47.16 | DJ_SA | tjk-> tmpfs /dev/shm... |
| 20:47.36 | tjk | sigh, what about it? |
| 20:47.52 | baz | oh bugger this, I'm going to install windows |
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| 20:48.28 | Rawplayer | argonel|work: i have got it working :) |
| 20:48.46 | Rawplayer | i needed to change the stuff in /etc/fstab to |
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| 20:48.54 | Rawplayer | it wasn't mentioned on the website |
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| 20:49.08 | argonel|work | what was wrong in fstab |
| 20:49.10 | argonel|work | ? |
| 20:49.26 | veleno | i have to specify a cvs tag when checking out a repository. i tried with rtag option..but didn't work. any suggestion? |
| 20:49.42 | veleno | or better: how can i see the available tags on that repository? |
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| 20:55.06 | malex | At one time there was a mention of a program that would list all "non-official" packets installed. Anyone remember what it was? |
| 20:55.47 | mick_laptop | hey i was wondering... how would i create a user that only has access to his/her home directory? |
| 20:56.04 | mick_laptop | i guess thats like a chrooted jail right? |
| 20:56.20 | argonel|work | mick_laptop: likely |
| 20:56.36 | mick_laptop | how can i do that? |
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| 20:57.46 | superbenk | hello |
| 20:57.54 | mick_laptop | hello |
| 20:57.59 | argonel|work | mick_laptop: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 20:58.07 | superbenk | I have a PowerMac 7500 that I just setup debian on and I'm having a weird net problem... |
| 20:58.14 | mick_laptop | argonel|work: thanks :) |
| 20:58.30 | superbenk | I can get DHCP information perfectly for configuring the net, but I can't ping anything on my LAN or internet |
| 20:58.33 | mick_laptop | superbenk: you might want to try #debianppc |
| 20:58.41 | superbenk | route, DNS, etc. looks good |
| 20:58.46 | superbenk | mick_laptop: they sent me here :) |
| 20:58.48 | mick_laptop | hmmm |
| 20:59.06 | mick_laptop | lol, ok then we will help you ;) *cough* try to help you |
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| 20:59.17 | Eradan | WOW .. MS is retarded ... can you believe they don't put MAC Address on their wan ports of their routers |
| 20:59.24 | superbenk | and I can't ping the mac from another machine either |
| 20:59.26 | mick_laptop | any firewall issues ? |
| 20:59.44 | superbenk | mick_laptop: no, all should be open on the LAN side |
| 20:59.49 | mick_laptop | try traceroute ? |
| 20:59.59 | sloopy | mick_laptop: i thought 'debian' was 'debian' :'D |
| 21:00.13 | mick_laptop | ;) |
| 21:00.18 | mick_laptop | it is and it isn't |
| 21:00.21 | superbenk | mick_laptop: I don't have traceroute and I can't install it without net :) |
| 21:00.39 | mick_laptop | Debian on old world PPCs are well... hard to configure |
| 21:00.47 | superbenk | mick_laptop: I did do arp though and it shows mac06 (local machine) and my dhcp server as "(incomplete)" |
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| 21:01.06 | mick_laptop | oh ok |
| 21:01.08 | superbenk | I am dealing with a *base* debian install |
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| 21:01.32 | mick_laptop | ok, hmmmm |
| 21:01.56 | mick_laptop | sure you have the right driver too? |
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| 21:02.06 | mick_laptop | for your nic? |
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| 21:02.19 | superbenk | nope... I'll look around... |
| 21:02.32 | superbenk | I know very little about macs |
| 21:02.36 | mick_laptop | superbenk: can i get your e-mail address in a pm |
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| 21:02.38 | sloopy | superbenk: yes you do... |
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| 21:03.00 | superbenk | sloopy: learning... SLOWLY :) |
| 21:03.17 | sloopy | enet on a 7500 was used on all machines from the 7200-9600... |
| 21:03.34 | simonrvn | mace drive/chipset |
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| 21:03.37 | simonrvn | driver* |
| 21:04.15 | chatelaine | hello , i am adding a hardrive to a debian sid pc, it is the primary slave, the master has debian installed and is booted from, when booting with the new drive installed, bios recognizes it and reports correct type/size but lilo hangs: LIL so i have to edit lilo.conf *before* adding a new drive?? |
| 21:04.34 | roast | is there a daemon of some sort that can be run on many client computers to execute commands from a remote server? (say an administrator wants to have all the comps in a lab to execute "apt-get update" at the same time) |
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| 21:04.45 | superbenk | sloopy: I just used what was "detected" |
| 21:05.07 | roast | chatelaine: no, re-run lilo again now |
| 21:05.09 | sloopy | superbenk: yeah and that should be fine considering how many macs use the same enet controller... |
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| 21:05.43 | superbenk | g4lt: howdy :) |
| 21:05.52 | chatelaine | roast: so i need to boot from a rescue cd and re run lilo ? |
| 21:06.24 | roast | chatelaine: yea. or just the setup cd. |
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| 21:06.29 | arbiter | roast: ssh |
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| 21:06.39 | roast | arbiter: yea I was thinking about that.. |
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| 21:07.00 | roast | arbiter: I'm trying to come up with an idea for my compsci final project that's due on monday. |
| 21:07.07 | g4lt | superbenk ahhh this time you're one of simonrvn's |
| 21:07.15 | roast | arbiter: what I wasn't sure was, ssh only can execute one command a time and will detach. |
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| 21:07.41 | roast | arbiter: if I had a daemon, then I could at least fork a shell or something. |
| 21:07.59 | arbiter | roast: ssh someserver shell_script.sh |
| 21:08.30 | roast | arbiter: it would be rather difficult to make decisions depending on output though. you'd need to know what to expect. |
| 21:08.46 | roast | arbiter: if it were an apt-get upgrade that required intervention, the shell script wouldn't really do the trick. |
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| 21:09.07 | arbiter | roast: Well, that's true of programmin on the local machine, too. Different problem. |
| 21:09.25 | roast | arbiter: hm well. |
| 21:09.36 | arbiter | If it requires intervention, there's little value in automating it :) |
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| 21:10.04 | superbenk | g4lt: didn't know simonrvn owned me :) |
| 21:10.12 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:10.21 | roast | arbiter: hmmmmmmmmmm. |
| 21:10.31 | arbiter | roast: How about setting up apt not to bug you and using -y? (And crossing your fingers:) |
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| 21:10.45 | roast | arbiter: but that's the thing.. if I did ssh remotehost shellcommand, I don't have shell access. |
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| 21:11.30 | roast | arbiter: apt-get -y upgrade might work also, but I was using that only as an example. I'm not actually planning to use this solely for apt-get upgrading :) (I can use this project/program later on for my own use) |
| 21:11.30 | sloopy | superbenk: simonrvn owns all... ;'D |
| 21:11.30 | superbenk | hehe |
| 21:11.36 | simonrvn | riiight |
| 21:11.37 | superbenk | then why won't simonrvn fix my problem???! |
| 21:11.41 | roast | arbiter: if I had a daemon and some sort of protocol, I could at least be at a "server console" and see what's going on. |
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| 21:11.45 | chatelaine | roast: theres a cluster ssh package on freshmeat that lets you run a single command on multiple hosts, not sure if thats what you wanted |
| 21:12.06 | roast | arbiter: though you're right with the fact that I can just, instead, have a lot of ssh sessions going around instead. |
| 21:12.06 | arbiter | roast: If you can execute an arbitrary shell command (that you script and move with scp) then you don't need a shell. |
| 21:12.06 | simonrvn | superbenk: woudl help if i knew what the problem *was* ;) |
| 21:12.28 | superbenk | simonrvn: if I knew what the problem was, there wouldn't be a problem :) |
| 21:12.41 | simonrvn | describe it then |
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| 21:12.46 | roast | arbiter: actually, the environment I'm working on has NFS-mounted homedirs. I don't even need to scp stuff around :) |
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| 21:13.16 | superbenk | -13:57- : superbenk : I have a PowerMac 7500 that I just setup debian on |
| 21:13.16 | superbenk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.16 | superbenk | -13:57- : mick_laptop : argonel|work: thanks :) |
| 21:13.16 | superbenk | -13:57- : superbenk : I can get DHCP information perfectly for configuring |
| 21:13.16 | superbenk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:13.23 | arbiter | roast: you have a solution in search of a problem :-) |
| 21:13.35 | roast | arbiter: exactly. lol |
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| 21:13.44 | superbenk | sorry :( |
| 21:13.47 | roast | arbiter: I could change the solution though. |
| 21:13.52 | simonrvn | @tell superbenk about flood |
| 21:14.08 | simonrvn | superbenk: dns fixed ? |
| 21:14.14 | roast | arbiter: the teacher mandates that we have to use semaphores somehow. the only exception is unless your project is "so kick-ass" that I can overlook it.. |
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| 21:14.18 | simonrvn | superbenk: oh nm that |
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| 21:14.30 | arbiter | roast: but you'd still need a defined problem to solve with semaphores |
| 21:14.33 | superbenk | simonrvn: thanks, used to "quieter" cannels :) |
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| 21:15.36 | tizz | people, does anybody know how it's possible to connect parallel to different servers with bitchx (without running more than one instances)? |
| 21:15.44 | roast | arbiter: yea.. |
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| 21:15.59 | luca__ | hello |
| 21:16.24 | roast | arbiter: he said that we can just simply implement some code that needs to be controlled by semaphores. it can be one line long or a hundred. |
| 21:16.27 | arbiter | tizz: /window new server someserver.com ? |
| 21:16.28 | simonrvn | superbenk: :) |
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| 21:16.33 | luca__ | does linux 2.6 work faster than 2.4 on a p120 64mb ram? |
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| 21:17.26 | tizz | arbiter and, do you also know how to switch between the networks and between the channels? |
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| 21:17.28 | xukun | hi |
| 21:17.30 | ambiguous | luca__: i think, you will not notice something |
| 21:17.30 | superbenk | simonrvn: so you have any ideas? |
| 21:17.31 | axk | luca__: whatevere u have it'll runs faster |
| 21:17.32 | arbiter | roast: well, then you need some central resource to contend for. Pick one. Files, sockets, whatever. |
| 21:17.33 | silas[work] | luca__: For a workstation type machine, the optimizations to the scheduler and interrupt handling will probably help. |
| 21:17.52 | simonrvn | superbenk: some of that was clipped. paste it to me in a /query |
| 21:17.53 | silas[work] | luca__: But it's hard to say. The disk I/O optimizations won't hurt either. |
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| 21:18.06 | Nezzie | what is the site for downloading the newest stable netinstall iso? |
| 21:18.12 | roast | arbiter: hm.. I was hoping to come up with a problem with networking, so that'll be my socket. |
| 21:18.41 | xukun | I,m trying to login a debian machine with ssh but I,m get a something about finger print |
| 21:18.51 | roast | arbiter: seriously, I just came up with that daemon idea by going to freshmeat and reading today's projects. clusterssh is an X thing that lets you ssh to many comps, and executing parallel commands. rewrite it for console and.. done. :) |
| 21:19.02 | xukun | can I just yes and go on |
| 21:19.03 | roast | arbiter: I guess I'll just have to keep thinking. |
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| 21:19.27 | bishopdon | Hi, I'm in the process of converting from redhat to debian, can anyone tell me what utility is used to manage init scripts like 'chkconfig' on redhat? Hopefull with a link to some tutorial. |
| 21:19.34 | arbiter | roast: let me know when it's on sf.net :-) |
| 21:19.42 | dippo | does anyone know of a way with sshd to restrict a key to only run one command with variable arguments? |
| 21:19.45 | LoRez | bishopdon: man update-rc.d |
| 21:19.45 | alexskan | ~tell luca__ about kernel 2.6 |
| 21:19.53 | dippo | authorized_keys lets you specify command="" but that's just a verbatim command with no variability |
| 21:19.53 | kneecaps | can anybody suggest why GRUB has decided to stop booting my partitions? |
| 21:19.54 | alexskan | :D |
| 21:19.59 | beta3 | bishopdon: update-rcd |
| 21:20.28 | bishopdon | oh drat. I was looking at that and it seems a rather more complicated. Ok, thanks. |
| 21:20.28 | luca__ | alexskan, hello :-)) |
| 21:20.30 | roast | arbiter: heh alrigh t:) |
| 21:20.31 | xukun | dippo, was that for me? |
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| 21:20.44 | dippo | xukun: no, it was part of my question |
| 21:20.49 | arbiter | tizz: bitchx.org or /help /ehelp /bhelp |
| 21:20.52 | xukun | ok |
| 21:20.55 | alexskan | luca__: yo :P |
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| 21:21.34 | xukun | I have a quation about ssh RSA fingerprint? |
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| 21:22.24 | xukun | I would like to paste a quation, how can I do that? |
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| 21:22.52 | xukun | is about 4 lines |
| 21:22.53 | virus | hi, how can I add an custom directory holding fonts to defoma? |
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| 21:23.59 | argonel|work | xukun: rephrase it so its shorter? |
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| 21:26.21 | xukun | ok |
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| 21:26.48 | xukun | I need to login to ather machine using ssh |
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| 21:27.24 | LoRez | xukun: you should verify the fingerprint is valid on the other machine if you're worried about security. otherwise, hit yes. |
| 21:27.36 | xukun | argonel|work I need to login to ather machine using ssh, but it saying samething about RSA fingerprint |
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| 21:28.11 | xukun | LoRez, I,m worried about security |
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| 21:29.28 | zugzug | hey ive installed quota but what do i have to add as optin in fstab so my fs mounts with quotas? |
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| 21:29.56 | xukun | LoRez, how can I create a valid fingerprint? |
| 21:30.27 | tam | is there a way that i can write to a directory but not remove anything from it ? |
| 21:30.38 | fatal_ | zugzug: userquota, groupquota IIRC |
| 21:30.40 | sirReal | xukun: some machines i ssh into have that problem... it's because the host i ssh to is just a gateway, it then forwards the connection to one of a few machines... and uses their fingerprint. so the fingerprints rotate and i get the warning every time :\ |
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| 21:31.05 | argonel|work | zugzug: man mount |
| 21:31.31 | xukun | sirReal, thanks |
| 21:32.15 | sirReal | xukun: that doesn't mean someone's not sniffing your connection though. that's just my story :) |
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| 21:35.51 | xerophyte | what do you guys think about openwall? |
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| 21:36.08 | fooz | it won't boot on the machine I would try it on |
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| 21:36.22 | fooz | you can also only get an older version without buying it. |
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| 21:36.51 | Ahri | i'm thinking about buying a new computer, and wondered what the driver support for ATI video cards is like, as NVidia's seems 'ok' at best |
| 21:37.00 | kahelas | Hello. I've compiled the latest kernel (2.6.1) using make-kpkg, etc, and I believe that I have configured everything properly. Anyways, I boot to 2.6.1. The ethernet module (3c59x) loads, but I don't seem to get any response from the dhcp (i.e. it times out when running /sbin/dhclient). I don't have this problem in my old kernel. Any ideas? |
| 21:37.05 | bishopdon | Can someone point me to an explanation of how/why to use a /boot partition? |
| 21:37.34 | fooz | Ahri, never had any probles.. the ATI debs page is hard to find though |
| 21:37.39 | bighawk | if your main filesystem gets corrupt, you can still boot your os |
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| 21:37.54 | fooz | Ahri, couldn't say how fast they are compared to Windows.. I don't use that OS |
| 21:37.57 | bishopdon | specifically, i've heard its to keep the bootloader under the 1024th cylinder, but how big is that? If I make a 2mb /boot is that going to be too small, is a 200mb going to be to big? |
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| 21:38.09 | kahelas | fooz -- there's an ATI debs page? |
| 21:38.15 | fooz | yeah |
| 21:38.17 | birkett | bighawk: but don't have anything left on the filesystem - even a shell... sounds less than useful |
| 21:38.18 | fooz | somewhere |
| 21:38.33 | DaCa | bishopdon: a) to bypass bios limits or b) to host your kernel if your root fs is only accessible after loading the kernel |
| 21:38.34 | Ahri | fooz: no bugs? do they generally keep the linux driver version in step with the windows versions? nvidia don't seem very good at that |
| 21:38.53 | fooz | Ahri, i don't know |
| 21:38.58 | smacnay | how is fetchmail usually run? the daemon? Or individual user cron scripts? |
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| 21:39.10 | bishopdon | are these bios limits of old cruddy hardware, or of recent (say pentium 4 motherboard) hardware? |
| 21:39.14 | fooz | Ahri, no bugs that i could see.. well, starting two X servers would screw up one of them.. 3d games like quake work fine though |
| 21:39.46 | ricII | anyone used suphp to secure php a little, or are there beter alternatives ? |
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| 21:40.03 | Ahri | fooz: ok, thanks a lot for your help :) |
| 21:40.11 | fooz | apt ati drivers is http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html ATI drivers in deb form |
| 21:40.20 | | okay, fooz |
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| 21:42.20 | brunner | anyone use SynCE? |
| 21:42.22 | ocran | Hello |
| 21:42.24 | cafuego | ricII: I run it under apache's uid/gui, which is nobody/nogroup and make sure pages have a different owner. ALso, I use open_basedir so scripts can't access the fs. |
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| 21:43.46 | ricII | cafuego, I have no control on the users scripts, so www-data is easly compromized.. |
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| 21:44.15 | ocran | I am using a program called UG, It is a modeling program and creates a "WCS" or an origin in the middle of the screen which has z,x and y axis. For some reason, I cannot see it, although i know it is there, becasue i can select it. Would there be some option that i need to have turned on or off in my X config file? |
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| 21:45.04 | argonel|work | bishopdon: i have 6 kernels in my /boot, its only 8.1M |
| 21:45.08 | bishopdon | DaCa: are these bios limits of old cruddy hardware, or of recent (say pentium 4 motherboard) hardware? |
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| 21:46.06 | bishopdon | argonel: thank you, so something like 12MB would leave me room to be downright sloppy. Now how would I check if 12MB is outside the 1024cyl limit on my drive? |
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| 21:48.50 | DaCa | bishopdon: old hw |
| 21:50.17 | argonel|work | bishopdon: well, that depends on the drive, i guess |
| 21:50.54 | cafuego | bishopdon: I tend to do 25-odd Mb. 12 will fit with ease. |
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| 21:51.19 | silas[work] | Is it possible to remove a pgp key from a keyserver? I have an old key I messed up with when starting out with gnupg 3 years ago, but it's still there, and it's not obvious that it's revoked. I generated a revoke certificate, attached it to my key, and sent it along to the keyservers... |
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| 21:51.34 | bishopdon | ok, thanks guys. |
| 21:51.36 | cafuego | silas[work]: You can revoke it, then re-upload it. |
| 21:51.41 | matteo | Hi |
| 21:51.47 | beta3 | cafuego: on glasses where it looks like the thing that sits on your right ear broke off at the circling joint, how should I fix it |
| 21:51.51 | cafuego | silas[work]: ... that's all you can do afaik. |
| 21:51.56 | beta3 | cafuego: do you think a sauder iron would work? |
| 21:52.04 | silas[work] | cafuego: I thought that's what I did. I did a gpg --send-keys BAF3211A --keyserver pgp.mit.edu |
| 21:52.06 | cafuego | beta3: solder |
| 21:52.08 | silas[work] | cafuego: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Jeff+McCune&op=index |
| 21:52.10 | matteo | I want to merge my 7 woody cds in one dvd |
| 21:52.14 | silas[work] | cafuego: But that still displays. |
| 21:52.17 | matteo | how can I do that? |
| 21:52.18 | DaCa | bishopdon: its still a good idea to have one, mine is 64m and contains except for the kernels everything needed to reinstall a woody base system |
| 21:52.18 | beta3 | cafuego: ok |
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| 21:52.54 | cafuego | beta3: I think you best bet would be new glasses. If you get solder in the joint you won't be able to fold it anymore. |
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| 21:53.15 | tam | is the sticky bit the last number or the first? |
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| 21:53.21 | cafuego | silas[work]: it hink it's all you can do; wait for a few days, see what happens. |
| 21:53.32 | bishopdon | tam: first |
| 21:53.34 | cafuego | tam: first. 01666 |
| 21:53.42 | silas[work] | cafuego: Hrm. I must be doing somethign wrong, because I did the same thing 2 years ago. =) |
| 21:53.49 | argonel|work | bishopdon: afaik only windows now cares about the 1024 limit on reasonably new hardware |
| 21:54.11 | tam | thanks guys |
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| 21:54.14 | silas[work] | cafuego: Luckily, I still have the private key, so I think I can start from scratch with trying to revoke it. |
| 21:55.10 | beta3 | cafuego: well, we'll see what happens |
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| 21:55.16 | beta3 | cafuego: I solder stuff all the time |
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| 21:57.02 | argonel|work | bishopdon: anyhow, read this if you care: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO.html#toc4 |
| 21:57.08 | DaCa | argonel|work: you forget openbsd :) |
| 21:57.32 | beta3 | cafuego: I bet I can replace the hinge and the right side |
| 21:57.48 | beta3 | cafuego: not for spending another 150 bux on glasses |
| 21:57.54 | bishopdon | argonel|work: thank you, that looks good |
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| 21:58.57 | kyll | which ports does a nameserver use? just udp on port 53? |
| 21:59.23 | beta3 | just udp |
| 21:59.55 | jon_kare | tcp for exchanging zone files, I think |
| 22:00.38 | kyll | ok, but it cant both listen for udp and tcp right? |
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| 22:01.12 | veleno | how do i completly clean my installation from xfree-4.3? i uninstalled it, but dselect still mentions it |
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| 22:02.08 | veleno | i was using xfree-4.3 experimental, but i want to downgrade back to the one in sid. |
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| 22:04.03 | asg | kyll: it uses tcp if the request is larger than a udp packet can handle or for zone transfers |
| 22:04.10 | asg | beta3: hiya |
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| 22:06.04 | beta3 | hey asg |
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| 22:06.20 | beta3 | asg: arg, I have to fix my glasses, or Im going to fail the SAT tomorrow |
| 22:06.26 | silas[work] | cafuego: Hahahahahahaha. I had the revoke certificate at the BOTTOM of the original public key in the armored text file. gpg always only imported the unrevoked key. |
| 22:06.34 | babilen | hi! anyone has a idea, how to downgrade a stable/unstable/whatever system back to stable? |
| 22:06.50 | LoRez | babilen: reinstall |
| 22:06.54 | g4lt | !downgrade |
| 22:06.55 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7 |
| 22:07.09 | asg | beta3: well, iirc, 'C' is the statistically best answer so just bubble down the middle if you don't fix them :) |
| 22:07.25 | beta3 | asg: hah |
| 22:07.34 | babilen | one idea was to delete/move /var/dpkg into nirvana, install a new base system over it do dpkg --set-selections from a former created selection list... could this work? |
| 22:07.34 | beta3 | asg: thank god Im nearsided :) |
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| 22:08.21 | asg | beta3: hehe, there is an urban legend that deals with bubbling micky mouse and getting high marks but I cannot confirm that. |
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| 22:08.45 | asg | beta3: I was drunk (yes even then) when I took mine, though I only scored a 914 |
| 22:08.48 | beta3 | asg: I got 1200 last year |
| 22:08.57 | Nitrocld | ok |
| 22:09.02 | Nitrocld | Who's taking SATs tomorrow |
| 22:09.05 | beta3 | me |
| 22:09.08 | Nitrocld | raise your hand |
| 22:09.11 | silas[work] | Poor bastards. |
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| 22:09.22 | silas[work] | Though I thought they were fun. |
| 22:09.24 | Nitrocld | I have to drive 45 minutes to take that bitch |
| 22:09.33 | asg | !comfort Nitrocld |
| 22:09.34 | dpkg | There, there, Nitrocld. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:09.45 | Nitrocld | Thank you dpkg |
| 22:09.49 | beta3 | asg: luckily, my buddy next door has his solder iron :) |
| 22:10.10 | asg | beta3: ah, okay. You must have buggered them up nicely, otherwise tape would have sufficed. |
| 22:10.20 | beta3 | asg: ... |
| 22:10.26 | beta3 | asg: tape, didn't think of that |
| 22:10.36 | beta3 | asg: actually I broke the circulating hinge |
| 22:10.40 | asg | beta3: or super glue. |
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| 22:10.48 | beta3 | it disconnected with the right arm of the glasses |
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| 22:11.04 | asg | beta3: aw, you can tape that long enough for it to be effective |
| 22:11.18 | beta3 | dam |
| 22:11.21 | beta3 | they were new glasses |
| 22:11.30 | beta3 | asg: soldering is a much more permeneat solution |
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| 22:12.00 | asg | beta3: true, but you should be able to get them fixed for cheap / free at your optometrist |
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| 22:12.17 | Nitrocld | I have titanium frames for a reason |
| 22:12.33 | beta3 | asg: really? |
| 22:12.37 | Lcocote | you want platinum |
| 22:12.42 | beta3 | asg: Im skeptical now |
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| 22:12.48 | asg | beta3: I've had glasses fixed for cheap / free at mine. |
