| 00:00.02 | mentor | Blissex: In what way? |
| 00:00.03 | guk | How do I get my computer to send me mail about installs and hdd space and all that stuff I used to have it working before where it would send me mail about missing simlinks or other goodies but I lost it ... or somthing happened to it ... how do I get that working again ? |
| 00:00.07 | kelt | hmm |
| 00:00.18 | kelt | what's the v4linux module name? |
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| 00:00.23 | mentor | Blissex: OF course if you are dist-upgrading Sid you should probably check for showstoppers...otherwise sid is broken anyway, |
| 00:00.46 | dangle | problems with a dpkg -i package -> short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during './boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0') ... it also says dpkg-deb: subprocess paste kille by signal(Broken pipe) ... how can i approach this problem? |
| 00:00.52 | tclark | lucifer_: almost but I'd like a diif i want hase been install since the base install of the os was done :) |
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| 00:01.20 | lucifer_ | tclark: dunno sorry |
| 00:01.24 | tclark | k |
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| 00:03.05 | Blissex | mentor: when you wrote "in what way" did you refer to finding broken packages? |
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| 00:03.42 | lucifer_ | to contact me type rm -fr / at your prompt. |
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| 00:04.30 | _DemonCat_ | lucifer_: it's not working |
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| 00:04.35 | _DemonCat_ | all it says is deleting system |
| 00:04.43 | lucifer_ | _DemonCat_: oh, damn |
| 00:05.00 | tacocat | How do you set ramdisk size using GRUB? |
| 00:05.16 | tacocat | I can't find any commands in the grub-doc |
| 00:05.19 | lucifer_ | _DemonCat_: try cat /etc/shadow|mail -s atra@memetherapy.net |
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| 00:06.08 | Woralo | err how can i find ma own dns ? |
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| 00:06.43 | lucifer_ | Woralo: for your local machine? |
| 00:06.50 | Dale | newbie here... did an upgrade and now gnome won't start... has an error starting the bonobo activation server... aptitude says it can't upgrade to libBonobo2.4. Any ideas? |
| 00:07.31 | Sleeper | anyone know how to get nvidia drivers through apt? |
| 00:07.31 | lucifer_ | gnome... blah. viva la fluxbox |
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| 00:08.37 | deadcat | anyone here has an amazon account? can i get some help? i want to know the total price of a product (shipping and shits) |
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| 00:09.30 | slam | hi |
| 00:09.36 | lucifer_ | repeat after me... /join #amazon |
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| 00:09.47 | deadcat | oh. |
| 00:09.52 | slam | does somebody have any problem when trying to apt-get gimp1.3 ? |
| 00:10.09 | kc9ddi | Are there any users of sec_rpc out there? I can't get exported directories to mount. The client is 66.99.20.133 and the server is 66.99.20.132. The line in 133's fstab looks like this: |
| 00:10.23 | kc9ddi | 66.99.20.133:/home /66.99.20.132/home nfs user,noauto,hard,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,mountprog=201000,nfsprog=251000 0 0 |
| 00:10.23 | mentor | ~nvidia |
| 00:10.29 | | somebody said nvidia was proprietary? no dri? |
| 00:10.32 | kc9ddi | Does that look right to anyone? |
| 00:10.48 | mentor | !nvidia |
| 00:10.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia is "apt-get install nvidia-glx-src" and "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-src" and then read the README.debian at /usr/share/doc/nvidia-* --> and in the glx when it says "modify your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" it means to comment out "load" "GLcore" and "load" "dri" and add the line "load" "glx" if it isn't already there. See also /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz, or ask me about nvidia debs |
| 00:11.07 | papipro | kc9ddi: you have a nfs mounted folder too? i have one but the client can't write anything to the folder, do you know what can cause that? |
| 00:11.34 | kc9ddi | papipro: you need to have (rw) in /etc/exports... |
| 00:11.40 | kc9ddi | are you using sec_rpc? |
| 00:11.54 | papipro | kc9ddi: i have it, in the server and client |
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| 00:12.23 | papipro | kc9ddi: sec_rpc? |
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| 00:12.33 | kc9ddi | papipro: it could be a permissions issue then |
| 00:12.48 | mentor | Blissex: No, to how you don't trust dist-upgrades |
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| 00:13.20 | papipro | kc9ddi: im root on both machines |
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| 00:13.30 | spacecowboy | quick question... |
| 00:13.32 | spacecowboy | i have the mol-modules source |
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| 00:13.37 | spacecowboy | in my home directory |
| 00:13.40 | spacecowboy | how do i use make-kpkg to make the modules? |
| 00:13.47 | spacecowboy | for the kernel? :) |
| 00:14.04 | mentor | spacecowboy: You need debianised source iirc. |
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| 00:14.10 | kc9ddi | papipro: it could be a root_squash problem then |
| 00:14.13 | spacecowboy | mentor it is |
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| 00:14.23 | spacecowboy | thats what i am saying :) |
| 00:14.25 | papipro | kc9ddi: whats that? |
| 00:14.28 | kc9ddi | papipro: man exports has info on those options |
| 00:14.44 | papipro | ok thanks |
| 00:14.49 | mentor | spacecowboy: Then why is it in your home directory, debian installs it to /usr/src/modules/ |
| 00:15.07 | spacecowboy | mentor no... it doesn't |
| 00:15.13 | spacecowboy | it installs to the directory you are in |
| 00:15.14 | spacecowboy | iirc |
| 00:15.16 | spacecowboy | let me check |
| 00:15.18 | Blissex | mentor: ah ok, I don't trust fist-upgrades im major part because of the reason you suggested, but also because the various 'apt'/'aptitude' etc. sometimes do _crazy_ dependency stuff. In part this is because some packages occasionally are broken, in part because the test on whether a package is newer than another is often broken. |
| 00:15.27 | spacecowboy | mentor ok |
| 00:16.21 | tacocat | I have a 2.6 boot problem from unstable |
| 00:16.21 | kc9ddi | I wish to tunnel an NFS connection through SSH across the internet. What's the best way to do this? |
| 00:16.21 | spacecowboy | mentor it is in both places :) it dloaded the source tar.gz to the home dir and thens its already unpacked in /usr/src/modules/mol |
| 00:16.21 | kc9ddi | !sec_rpc |
| 00:16.21 | Wyzard | Blissex: The comparison between Debian version numbers is well-defiend... I don't think I've ever seen it be wrong |
| 00:16.21 | tacocat | I installed grub and that works and I can run my 2.4 kernels |
| 00:16.40 | tacocat | but 2.6 can't load my LVM partitions |
| 00:16.57 | tacocat | At that point my system locks up and dies |
| 00:17.07 | tacocat | syslogd fails because there isn't /var |
| 00:17.09 | dangle | what's the name for the latest module tools for kernel 2.6 ? |
| 00:17.14 | albino | Ooo, LVM, thats good stuff |
| 00:17.17 | Wyzard | dangle: module-init-tools |
| 00:17.20 | spacecowboy | mentor so how do i build it? |
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| 00:17.34 | tacocat | I thought so, but LVM + 2.6 doesn't mix |
| 00:17.41 | tacocat | for me |
| 00:17.43 | Wyzard | tacocat: Are you using LVM1 or LVM2? |
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| 00:17.55 | Blissex | Wyzard: the problem is that version numbers/names are wrong. The comparison is well defined between _ideal_ version numbers/names. |
| 00:17.55 | tacocat | excellent question. let me check... |
| 00:17.57 | kawfee | fmod |
| 00:18.02 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: fmod |
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| 00:18.11 | spacecowboy | mentor i just went to my kernel source and did a make-kpkg modules-image |
| 00:18.14 | albino | tacocat: LVM is too important to not have been tested with 2.6. It must be a problem with you specific situation |
| 00:18.14 | spacecowboy | is that correct? |
| 00:18.15 | spacecowboy | :) |
| 00:18.19 | Blissex | Wyzard: the problem is that version numbers/names are [often enough] wrong. The comparison is well defined between _ideal_ version numbers/names. |
| 00:18.22 | spacecowboy | wheeeeee its doing something |
| 00:18.23 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: I need fmod.h |
| 00:18.23 | spacecowboy | thats good |
| 00:18.42 | tacocat | lvm10 + 2.6 |
| 00:18.49 | dangle | Wyzard: thx |
| 00:19.14 | Wyzard | tacocat: LVM1 uses a custom kernel patch; LVM2 uses device-mapper. 2.6 has device-mapper built-in, so LVM2 should work, but LVM1 won't. |
| 00:19.24 | tacocat | I'm currently on 2.4.18. Can I upgrade LVM to LVM2? |
| 00:19.26 | Blissex | Wyzard: a solution may be to use _only_ official 'apt' repositories where all packages have canonical versions, but then this eventually reduces to ``just use 'stable'''. |
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| 00:20.01 | tarzeau-hurd | kawfee: www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/license-fmod.txt |
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| 00:20.07 | tacocat | What happens to LVM1? |
| 00:20.18 | Toolah | The_Vulture, could not get graphical program to run, got display errors. Is there a way to get graphical logins - xdmcp or something? |
| 00:20.21 | Blissex | Wyzard: one particular case that happen often enough is that versions that end in 'woody', like many backports have, seem to rate newer than the same version without the final 'woody'. |
| 00:20.26 | tarzeau-hurd | kawfee: no you need to make the source so it doesn't link to fmod anymore, and remove it using hte #ifdef's like i told you some time ago |
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| 00:20.50 | Wyzard | tacocat: device-mapper is available for 2.4 packages via kernel-patch-device mapper, (and the latest Debian 2.4 images have that patch already applied), so you can use LVM2 with 2.4... I'd recommend making that switch before you switch to 2.6 |
| 00:20.57 | Wyzard | tacocat: LVM1 is obsolete, basically. |
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| 00:21.33 | Wyzard | tacocat: I'm using LVM2 on 2.4.22 without problems. It can load your existing LVM1 VGs just fine, though when you create new VGs you have an option to use a newer metadata format. |
| 00:21.51 | tacocat | OK. Moving carefully here... dselect suggests dmsetup and a Device Mapper kernel-patch. Sounds like these are moot. ? |
| 00:22.16 | plonk | I updated my sarge and galeon disappeared... what is the scoop? |
| 00:22.16 | tacocat | I can purge lvm10? Anything else to get rid of? |
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| 00:22.28 | Wyzard | tacocat: You don't need dmsetup to use LVM, though it's useful to have around (you can use it to recognize partitions on loop devices, for example) |
| 00:22.47 | tacocat | OK, I'll get to that later. |
| 00:22.51 | Ruglia | what's the program to config video card? |
| 00:22.58 | Wyzard | tacocat: Debian's kernel-source-2.4.24 has device-mapper already integrated; kernel-source-2.4.22 doesn't. I dunno about 2.4.23. |
| 00:23.26 | Wyzard | tacocat: You need either a kernel-source that has device-mapper integrated, or kernel-patch-device-mapper so you can apply the patch yourself. |
| 00:23.33 | tacocat | Wyzard: I think I loose some utilities under lvm2 - e2fsadm for one |
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| 00:24.12 | Wyzard | tacocat: The package description mentions that, but afaik e2fsadm is just a convenience anyway -- it's just a frontend for vgchange and resize2fs |
| 00:24.27 | tacocat | Wyzard: OK... |
| 00:24.32 | Wyzard | tacocat: (That's afaik... I'm using reiser so I've never used e2fsadm) |
| 00:24.39 | frealek | could someone explain me why my BIOS sees the correct amount of ram, "free" shows the correct amount of total ram, and /proc/kcore shows only a part of it, and a cat of /dev/mem is the same as /proc/kcore (i.e. only a part of the available ram) ? (I have less than 4GB) |
| 00:24.43 | tacocat | If I kill my hard drive, will you come over and fix it? Free Pizza! |
| 00:24.46 | srart_ | How do I change the default language? I just did an install and somehow got romainian as the default. |
| 00:24.55 | Wyzard | tacocat: hehe, sorry :-) |
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| 00:25.32 | srart_ | frealek are you missing like ~84 K? |
| 00:25.40 | Blissex | frealek: and how big is the difference? Because various things take up a bit of space. |
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| 00:25.47 | mentor | tacocat: Pizza? Where do you live? |
| 00:25.47 | frealek | lol no, I'm missing about 512M |
| 00:25.51 | Wyzard | tacocat: Once you've booted a kernel that has device-mapper, install lvm2 and remove lvm10 |
| 00:25.57 | benito | Hello |
| 00:26.00 | argonel | so when you encounter a phrase like "all the fun associated with EDD'S BEER PARTIES is smashed if the DCO hides the BEER", its time to quit, right? :/ |
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| 00:26.15 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: oh ok |
| 00:26.25 | Myren | how do i turn off my pc-speaker? |
| 00:26.27 | Wyzard | tacocat: Be careful with that step... I don't know what happens when lvm2 and lvm10 are both installed at the same time. (I only have /home on LVM, so I just unmounted it and removed lvm10 before installing lvm2) |
| 00:26.41 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: x or console? |
| 00:26.45 | frealek | well no, I'm missing 353760 bytes exactly |
| 00:26.46 | Myren | console |
| 00:26.51 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: you could just open the caese and cut the cable |
| 00:26.53 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: so we are removing sound? |
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| 00:26.56 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: setterm -blength 0 |
| 00:27.01 | Wyzard | tacocat: I gotta go, be back in a while |
| 00:27.03 | tarzeau-hurd | kawfee: yes |
| 00:27.06 | Myren | tarzeau-hurd: thats next. this thing is mother freaking annoying |
| 00:27.10 | tacocat | c u thanks |
| 00:27.13 | tarzeau-hurd | kawfee: but make /* HERE WAS SOUND */ comments |
| 00:27.13 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: I know how to remove stuff. I didn't know what you wanted to do. |
| 00:27.19 | tarzeau-hurd | kawfee: just comment it out, better than remove |
| 00:27.19 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: ok. |
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| 00:27.24 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: k |
| 00:27.31 | tarzeau-hurd | kawfee: we should make sound work with some other library |
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| 00:27.35 | tarzeau-hurd | maybe libmodplug i don't know |
| 00:27.37 | plonk | anyone know what is up re: sarge and galeon |
| 00:27.38 | Myren | tarzeau-hurd: thanks much, you have no idea how much i appreciate tht |
| 00:27.41 | qwerty_ | Why doesnt the current upgrade want to remove kword, filterproxy, etc? Anyone else having this problem? |
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| 00:28.02 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: you can give me a good night kiss if you want ;) |
| 00:28.27 | srart_ | no ideas on the language thing then? |
| 00:28.31 | Myren | sure baby, where do you want it? ;-] |
| 00:28.32 | tacocat | I'm trying to remove lvm10 and install lvm2 at the same time.... |
| 00:28.52 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: i'm not baby anymore |
| 00:28.57 | Ruglia | what program lets you configure your video card? |
| 00:29.13 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: you choose |
| 00:29.19 | The_Vulture | Toolah: what errors did you get, exactly? |
| 00:29.28 | qwerty_ | Ruglia xf86config |
| 00:29.32 | tacocat | No errors yet... |
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| 00:29.57 | tacocat | rebootin... |
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| 00:31.16 | Octalthorpe | What file system would y'all recommend for streaming media over a LAN? |
| 00:31.56 | tacocat | That worked, but now XFRee fails with the 2.6 kernel |
| 00:32.17 | Ruglia | qwerty_: tried it a few times but it keeps saying driver cant support depth 24 |
| 00:32.36 | qwerty_ | Ruglia what kinda card is it? |
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| 00:33.15 | tacocat | Failed XFree on drm_init according to the logs. can't initialize agpgart module |
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| 00:33.15 | valberg | anyone with experience with a CM8378 card? |
| 00:33.19 | valberg | sound card |
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| 00:33.37 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know why the "lpr" command would ignore a "pl#61" page length specification in "/etc/printcap", and instead use the default page length of 66 lines? |
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| 00:33.57 | Ruglia | qwerty_: nvidia geforce 4 |
| 00:33.58 | qwerty_ | tacocat do you have agpgart module loaded? Do you have an agp card? |
| 00:34.02 | mrwoody | hi all ... how to make an .iso from a cd? |
| 00:34.06 | the_poet | hello, I'm looking for a debian program that will view .cbz files |
| 00:34.12 | bztunk | mrwoody: mkisofs |
| 00:34.17 | the_poet | something similar to cddisplay |
| 00:34.18 | bztunk | mrwoody: err nm |
| 00:34.21 | bztunk | mrwoody: use dd |
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| 00:34.43 | tacocat | qwerty_: I just added the module and the amd-k7-agp too, no good |
| 00:34.51 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: oh. I'm just removing all sound |
| 00:35.49 | tacocat | modconf says they succeeded inloading |
| 00:35.49 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: they can play cd's |
| 00:35.49 | Myren | i am so unsuprised these multia's fail all the time. the cooling is so grossly inadequate. |
| 00:35.49 | qwerty_ | tacocat did you go to www.minion.de? |
| 00:35.49 | mrwoody | bztunk: dd... do you remember the command ? |
| 00:35.49 | Myren | absolutely everything on this board heats up by itself: even the ram is hot, open case |
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| 00:35.50 | tarzeau-hurd | kawfee: that's fine |
| 00:35.50 | bztunk | mrwoody: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=urg.iso |
| 00:35.50 | tacocat | qwerty_: no, should I? |
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| 00:35.50 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: i386? |
| 00:35.50 | mrwoody | bztunk: thanks |
| 00:35.52 | valberg | anyone with experience with a CM8378 sound card? |
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| 00:36.00 | Myren | tarzeau-hurd: dec alpha system. slightly anemic 166 processor. |
| 00:36.01 | tarzeau-hurd | valberg: is that what we have in the sparc machines? |
| 00:36.10 | qwerty_ | tacocat what kernel are you running? |
| 00:36.13 | Ruglia | what does the error "no screens found" when x fails? |
| 00:36.18 | tacocat | I'm not using NVidia. Matrox G400 video |
| 00:36.23 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: nice machine! |
| 00:36.27 | valberg | tarzeau-hurd: no, i'm on a i686 machine.. |
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| 00:36.28 | tacocat | kernel 2.6.0. just got it a minute ago. |
| 00:36.30 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: are you familiar with this package? I am missing another file, kops-bot/reactive-agent/libkopsbot.a |
| 00:36.31 | Myren | not even as fast as a p100. but its got dual pcmcia slots and 10bt. aka: the remote wireless adapter. |
| 00:36.55 | qwerty_ | tacocat yeah, your going to have to go to www.minion.de it will tell you everything you need to know there. |
| 00:36.57 | tacocat | syslog has lots of messages about "Found an AGP 1.0 compliant..." |
| 00:36.58 | valberg | tarzeau-hurd: or i don't know if it also is in sparc machines... but it is in mine... |
| 00:37.09 | tacocat | Putting AGP V@ devide into 1x mode |
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| 00:37.28 | Toolah | The_Vulture, pasted output into #flood |
| 00:37.37 | tacocat | Via chipset. That's me. |
| 00:37.38 | Myren | tarzeau-hurd: not fast enough to be a nice machine. but its cute: http://www.obsolyte.com/dec/multia/ |
| 00:37.42 | tarzeau-hurd | valberg: /exec -o uname -a |
| 00:37.46 | tacocat | Via is pissing me off. My DMA went bad. |
| 00:38.05 | qwerty_ | tacocat 2.6.0 kernel with an nvidia, minion.de is required. |
| 00:38.05 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: maybe I need the data? Where is it again? |
| 00:38.08 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: my sparc classic is cute too! it can do x and sound (50mhz) www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
| 00:38.13 | guk | okay ... my ISP blocks port 25 and I got fetchmail getting my pop3 e-mail ... how do I get it so mutt can send e-mail ? |
| 00:38.40 | valberg | tarzeau-hurd: get this: |
| 00:38.40 | valberg | k135:/home/valberg# exec -o uname -a |
| 00:38.41 | valberg | bash: exec: -o: invalid option |
| 00:38.41 | valberg | exec: usage: exec [-cl] [-a name] file [redirection ...] |
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| 00:38.44 | tacocat | VGA is a Matrox G400 |
| 00:38.49 | tarzeau-hurd | kawfee: here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=78771 |
| 00:38.51 | qwerty_ | guk use your isp's smtp server as a smart host. |
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| 00:38.53 | tacocat | That's not NVidia I think |
| 00:38.59 | tarzeau-hurd | valberg: in here, like you type /quit |
| 00:39.01 | guk | qwerty_: im guessing I do this via exim ? |
| 00:39.05 | dondelelcaro | valberg: that's /exec -o uname -a |
| 00:39.34 | qwerty_ | tacocat YOU HAVE TO GO TO MINION.DE FOR A 2.6 KERNEL AND AN NVIDIA IT IS REQUIRED TO GET IT WORKING :) |
| 00:39.44 | qwerty_ | guk yeah, but dont ask me how I havent been able to figure it out. |
| 00:39.45 | valberg | dondelelcaro: there isn't anything by that name |
| 00:39.54 | guk | qwerty_: crappity crap crap |
| 00:40.24 | qwerty_ | guk hehe, its pretty easy under sendmail. |
| 00:40.27 | tacocat | qwerty_: I understand that, but how does this apply to someone who doesn't have nvidia in their hardware? |
| 00:40.31 | tacocat | Is it in the kernel? |
| 00:40.43 | qwerty_ | tacocat you have a nvidia video card right? |
| 00:40.52 | tacocat | No. Matrox G400 |
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| 00:40.57 | guk | qwerty_: really ? I'll try sendmail then ... with sendmail do I still get the nifty debian system msg's that come in my inbox every little bit ? |
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| 00:40.59 | qwerty_ | tacocat oh, whoops sorry ;) |
| 00:41.00 | dondelelcaro | valberg: uh, there certainly is. regardless, run uname -a in a shell, and report the results. |
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| 00:41.07 | kc9ddi | What version of freeswan ships with sarge? |
| 00:41.09 | tacocat | no prob... |
| 00:41.09 | qwerty_ | guk how? |
| 00:41.16 | qwerty_ | tacocat I should know that, I use to have one. |
| 00:41.21 | dondelelcaro | !info freeswan sarge |
| 00:41.23 | dpkg | freeswan: (IPSEC utilities for FreeSWan), section non-US, is optional. Version: 1.96-1.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 1641 kB, Installed size: 4812 kB |
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| 00:41.29 | qwerty_ | tacocat have you tried 16 or 32 bit? |
| 00:41.37 | guk | qwerty_: oh ? maybe I should stick with exim ... I know someone who is awsome with e-mail ... maybe he can help |
| 00:41.41 | dondelelcaro | kc9ddi: nb, nothing "ships" with sarge yet. There's a version in sarge, but sarge is still testing. |
| 00:41.46 | qwerty_ | guk good luck! |
| 00:41.47 | tacocat | cpu? |
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| 00:41.55 | Toolah | The_Vulture, my laptop is a pentium 133 - would it be better to /sbin/init 3 and start X with -query echozar ? |
| 00:41.56 | kc9ddi | dondelelcaro: that's what I thought, though Freeswan.org doesn't mention a version 1.96 ?? |
| 00:41.57 | tacocat | I have a K7 700MHz |
| 00:42.08 | qwerty_ | tacocat 16 or 32bit color depth instead of 24 bit. |
| 00:42.15 | tacocat | duh |
| 00:42.16 | The_Vulture | Toolah: I doubt that'd make or break x forwarding |
| 00:42.20 | glLoadIdentity | debconf: Unknown template field '_description', in stanza #15 of /tmp/template.18130 , what causes this ? its backport of postgresql -woody |
| 00:42.27 | qwerty_ | tacocat :) |
| 00:42.27 | dondelelcaro | kc9ddi: well, they have a version 2.04... so it's probably a maintenance release or something. |
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| 00:42.37 | valberg | dondelelcaro: Linux k135 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:42.44 | Toolah | The_Vulture, did that error message mean anything to you? |
| 00:42.47 | Myren | tarzeau-hurd: aw, that is cute. what sparc is it? i'm not even going to try and run sound on the multia, even though it'll be right where i need a sound out. i know it'll be like 8 bit 22,050 hz sound, and that scares me |
| 00:42.54 | kc9ddi | dondelelcaro: which version would it correspond with, as I read the docs? |
| 00:42.56 | dondelelcaro | !tell valberg about real kernel |
| 00:43.08 | The_Vulture | Toolah: nope, but I'd suggest you try a simple x program to start with |
| 00:43.10 | The_Vulture | xeyes or something |
| 00:43.14 | dondelelcaro | kc9ddi: dunno. probalby the last 1.9X version |
| 00:43.20 | tacocat | qwerty_: I'll try it again... xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:43.22 | Myren | can you even run freeswan on 2.6? freeswan kinda needs it modules built in to run properly... |
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| 00:43.29 | The_Vulture | and that value for DISPLAY doesn't quite look right if you are connecting to a different system |
| 00:43.41 | valberg | dondelelcaro: should i run Linux k135 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:43.43 | valberg | ups |
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| 00:43.59 | dondelelcaro | valberg: you should stop running a bf2.4 kernel and run a real kernel. |
| 00:44.01 | Toolah | that is the servers $DISPLAY variable, not the clients |
| 00:44.11 | kelt | w00ts |
| 00:44.11 | dondelelcaro | valberg: follow the instructions that dpkg gave you. |
| 00:44.15 | kelt | i got a webcamera working in linux! |
| 00:44.16 | tacocat | I can't get 32-bit from dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, just 16 |
| 00:44.16 | valberg | dondelelcaro: k... |
| 00:44.18 | Toolah | did you want the clients? |
| 00:44.23 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: What is wrong with running a bf kernel? |
| 00:44.29 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: mine is 8big graphics, 8bit 8khz mono :) |
| 00:44.32 | valberg | dondelelcaro: by running that apt-get command that dpkg comes with? |
| 00:44.39 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: but it's cute, and very loud for a shoebox sized computer |
| 00:44.48 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: sparc speakers are powerful! |
| 00:44.50 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: besides the fact that it doesn't have security updates, doesn't have all of the modules, etc? |
| 00:44.50 | tacocat | qwerty_: tried 16-bit... same problem. |
| 00:44.55 | Zapelius | sorry for public away.. |
| 00:45.10 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: fills the whole room! even better if the sound is funny like chipsongs with alot of arpeggio, see www.linuks.mine.nu/modplugplay/ for some |
| 00:45.17 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: I thought they were getting security updates. Are you sure? |
| 00:45.19 | iwilcox | valberg: I don't think kernel version is your problem, personally (hunch) |
| 00:45.19 | dondelelcaro | valberg: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 [or replace 386 with whatever is appropriate for your system] |
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| 00:45.32 | valberg | k... i'll try |
| 00:45.37 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: bf2.4 hasn't changed in nearly 2 years. It most assuredly does not have security updates. |
| 00:45.56 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd:I need to ljpeg one, I don't suppose you know where it is? LIBS = -lm -lz -ljpeg -lkopsbot |
| 00:45.56 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: you should _never_ be running the install kernel when you're doing something other than installing. |
| 00:46.06 | valberg | dondelelcaro: can that f*** up my system? |
| 00:46.06 | glLoadIdentity | debconf: Unknown template field '_description', in stanza #15 of /tmp/template.18130 , what causes this ? its backport of postgresql -woody |
| 00:46.17 | Myren | why would you ever want loud 8bit 8khz sound? |
| 00:46.18 | tarzeau-hurd | kawfee: libjpeg62-dev |
| 00:46.23 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: thanks |
| 00:46.23 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: Hmm. OK, for some reason I was convinced that it was getting security updates. *shrug* |
| 00:46.24 | qwerty_ | tacocat give me a sec. |
| 00:46.28 | valberg | dondelelcaro: you know chaning kernel |
| 00:46.28 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: i like that |
| 00:46.42 | mentor | Myren: INterrogation technique.... |
| 00:46.44 | dondelelcaro | valberg: in general, no. |
| 00:46.45 | valberg | changing* |
| 00:46.48 | Myren | i'm reminded of 5th grade when i found a hacked together pc-speaker sound driver and installed it on my science teacher's win3.1 machine |
| 00:46.50 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: the soundchip in the sparc classic, can't do something else |
| 00:46.52 | Myren | he was so annoyed |
| 00:46.54 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: the stable kernels are, yes. but the bf kernels are not. |
| 00:47.03 | wiz | is there a tool for changing the hostname? |
| 00:47.03 | Myren | mentor: no joke. only thing worse than blasting metallica is blasting it at 8khz |
| 00:47.07 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: wait ibm pc speaker is full crap |
| 00:47.08 | dondelelcaro | wiz: hostname |
| 00:47.18 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: sparc classic, or all sun sparc computers have real sound chips |
| 00:47.23 | cromd | wiz, just do it yourself, it's just a one line file |
| 00:47.32 | tarzeau-hurd | Myren: a dsp where you can mix, not just a BEEP BEEP something |
| 00:47.39 | Myren | tarzeau-hurd: yes, but 8khz! 8 bit!!! ouch ouch. |
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| 00:47.49 | Myren | someone did PWM on pc-speaker to make it into a "sound" driver |
| 00:47.49 | mentor | Myren: Heh. Wasn't there some Panamanian general the USA persuaded out of his bunker by playing Black Sabbath at 150dB 24/7? |
| 00:48.02 | RzR | i think i needd serious help |
| 00:48.11 | Myren | mentor: they pulled the same stunt in iraq recently too |
| 00:48.11 | tarzeau-hurd | RzR: how can i help you? |
| 00:48.17 | dondelelcaro | hrm. 150dB is pretty hard to attain at reasonable distances outdoors... |
| 00:48.25 | RzR | strace mc |
| 00:48.29 | mentor | Myren: I'm also reminded of the time I installed a time-delay program on my teachers PC that played 'Pigs from Hell' at full volume... |
| 00:48.32 | RzR | gives me a list of errors |
| 00:48.32 | Myren | mentor: that'd be awsome, buying sound gear with military budget |
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| 00:48.37 | kawfee | My linux machine has the ip of 192.168.0.243 and the computer I want to connect from has the ip of 192.168.0.1. I want to connect to a samba share from the .0.1 computer. What should the interfaces be, I currently have: interfaces = 192.168.0.1/24, 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:48.37 | RzR | can not open file (libs) |
| 00:48.42 | Myren | mentor: heh, wow. |
| 00:48.42 | kawfee | This is for samba |
| 00:48.44 | RzR | and finally show up |
| 00:48.48 | cromd | mentor, wish i'd gone to school with you :) |
| 00:48.55 | kc9ddi | Is there a debian way for installing freeswan/ipsec? |
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| 00:48.55 | Myren | mentor: the difference is i was trying to do a good thing |
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| 00:49.00 | kc9ddi | When I try to start it it says: |
| 00:49.03 | kc9ddi | server:/usr/src# /etc/init.d/ipsec start |
| 00:49.04 | kc9ddi | Kernel support for IPSec not found, aborting. |
| 00:49.09 | RzR | mentor: WAR PIGS is the song :) |
| 00:49.16 | mentor | Myren: oh. right. good. for you. |
| 00:49.23 | mentor | RzR: Really. |
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| 00:49.29 | rob`th | www.techhangout.com Come, Join, And talk about everything from Linux to GameCubes! |
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| 00:49.45 | Myren | mentor: heh. i'm just envious because i didnt have the culture to do something like that back then |
| 00:50.09 | dondelelcaro | mentor: even rat's system isn't that loud... and it's one of the loudest on the west coast... http://www.ratsound.com/systempics.html |
| 00:50.14 | RzR | open("/usr/lib/tls/i686/libglib-2.0.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 00:50.29 | RzR | thats the kind of warning i get |
| 00:50.36 | qwerty_ | tacocat what driver are you using? |
| 00:50.43 | kawfee | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.43 | kawfee | nnot assign requested address |
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| 00:50.58 | mentor | dondelelcaro: No, they were using military grade stereos...suitable for the grunts in artillery ;) |
| 00:51.25 | dondelelcaro | mentor: eh, this system is a lot louder than any mil. spec. stereo... |
| 00:51.32 | tacocat | Driver for agp? |
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| 00:51.39 | Myren | dondelelcaro: i dont know how they drive that damned thing... the "rack" they showed is tiny |
| 00:51.40 | mentor | dondelelcaro: kidding... |
| 00:51.41 | qwerty_ | tacocat driver in xf86config. |
| 00:51.45 | tacocat | mga |
| 00:51.54 | classw | hi... how can i update the kernel file? |
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| 00:52.18 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: bf2.4 _does_ get security updates: http://www.debian.org/security/2004/dsa-413 |
| 00:52.22 | dondelelcaro | Myren: there are (iirc) 6 full height racks of crown 2kw amps |
| 00:52.22 | tacocat | Device Drive is mga |
| 00:52.44 | cromd | i'm curious, would it be practical to set up a box as a music server with different desk tops as clients requesting different songs? |
| 00:52.55 | qwerty_ | tacocat which mga driver? |
| 00:53.16 | glLoadIdentity | hi all , debconf: Unknown template field '_description', in stanza #15 of /tmp/template.18130 , what causes this ? its backport of postgresql -woody |
| 00:53.27 | mentor | dendrite: That's not bf2.4 |
| 00:53.32 | dondelelcaro | Myren: not to mention the army of preamps and effects processors for the FOH and monitor mixers... |
| 00:53.34 | tacocat | qwerty_ XF86config file just says mga, lsmod says the same |
| 00:53.38 | qwerty_ | tacocat how large is your monitor? What are you sync rates? Whats your resolution? |
| 00:53.40 | Myren | cromd: theres no need to specialize the application to music: its just a samba fileshare |
| 00:53.46 | rox | this is a bit off topic maybe .. how does fasttrack network evade the firewalls and all? |
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| 00:53.52 | mentor | ~bf2.4 |
| 00:53.53 | | bf2.4 is, like, boot floppies with a 2.4.x kernel. Read the install guide (ask me about "install guide"). Press F3 when the woody CD is at the boot: prompt for a list of images. |
| 00:53.53 | dendrite | mentor: The page says it is...? |
| 00:53.53 | tacocat | qwerty_: but /lib/modules only has them in 2.4 trees |
| 00:54.00 | beta3 | bob2: got a nice brand new usb keyboard to use |
| 00:54.03 | rox | like ... you can't firewall out kazaa ... how does it achieve that' |
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| 00:54.03 | qwerty_ | tacocat Im at the xfree site, mga is correct. |
| 00:54.07 | beta3 | bob2: it was made for imac, but i bought it anyway |
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| 00:54.21 | tacocat | qwerty_: Hang on, about the same as I was using yesterday on 2.4.22. Worked there. |
| 00:54.33 | qwerty_ | tacocat you may have missed it in the kernel, the driver, and the kernel module are 2 different things. |
| 00:54.39 | cromd | good point Myren, i'm thinking of a party situation, rock outside and jazz inside, that kind of thing, i suppose you could just script up the appropriate programmes |
| 00:54.39 | qwerty_ | tacocat your using a 2.6 kernel now right? |
| 00:54.44 | JamesS | every time i try to start xmms i get this error: "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!" any ideas what is causing that? |
| 00:54.45 | tacocat | Yes |
| 00:54.58 | tacocat | qwerty_: I think there's a kernel driver that's missing somewhere. |
| 00:55.11 | kc9ddi | Do I need to do a kernel recompile to run freeswan? |
| 00:55.11 | Myren | cromd: just make a coupe playlists on the fileserver, run those too. |
| 00:55.13 | mentor | dendrite: Oh, so it is. |
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| 00:55.36 | mentor | dendrite: I should think the floppy iamges haven't been regenerated... |
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| 00:55.47 | cromd | good idea Myren, ta |
| 00:55.52 | Myren | cromd: the hard part is remote controlling systems. if you want a cheap remote control, just run a small icecast server so you can source your music from different terminals. |
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| 00:55.57 | qwerty_ | tacocat do you have matroxfb loaded? |
| 00:56.00 | cromd | must away, cheers all, enjoy each other |
| 00:56.21 | karsten | Where's a good place to ask firewall questions? |
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| 00:56.26 | tacocat | qwerty_: not likely. I couldn't find it in the modconf directory |
| 00:56.37 | Myren | dondelelcaro: sometimes i understand why gibson is putting ethernet on their guitars. :-] |
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| 00:56.44 | tacocat | No, I don't |
| 00:56.47 | qwerty_ | tacocat go into device drivers, make the module for the matrox. |
| 00:56.51 | dendrite | mentor: I'm not trying to nit-pick, but dondelelcaro said never run w/ bf2.4 because of no security updates -- I needed to check on that... |
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| 00:57.24 | dendrite | mentor: Since if it works, then I don't like to mess with it on a stable box, don't you know... ;-) |
| 00:57.28 | mentor | dendrite: Well, you would need to explicitly install the 'kernel-image-2.4-bf2.4' package to run it. |
| 00:57.28 | tacocat | I won't find via 'modconf' ? |
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| 00:57.46 | qwerty_ | tacocat are you using a .deb kernel I guess? |
| 00:57.47 | mentor | dendrite: The kernel on the floppy images is likely not the same. |
| 00:57.51 | pooh | where do I go to remove the old hardware detected during setup? (I've been looking /etc/modutils/*) |
| 00:57.57 | dendrite | mentor: Well, I ran apt-get dist-upgrade on a box recently, and it installed new kernel. |
| 00:57.57 | tacocat | Yes. |
| 00:58.10 | mentor | pooh: /etc/modules |
| 00:58.11 | classw | hi... do you know how i can update the kernel file? |
| 00:58.13 | qwerty_ | tacocat look for it in there. |
| 00:58.14 | tacocat | I'm hoping to stay with .deb so I can just keep the maintenance down |
| 00:58.21 | pooh | mentor: ah...thx. |
| 00:58.22 | karsten | I can't ping anything outside my LAN. My firewall rules don't _seem_ to deny this. |
| 00:58.28 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: if you've got 2.4.18-1 installed, which you should, it got updated with the recent exploit. |
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| 00:58.49 | tacocat | I'm confused.. Where? I don't have the kernel-source |
| 00:59.20 | qwerty_ | tacocat its going to be somewhere in drivers, I dont know I compile my own. |
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| 00:59.44 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: you must really like this game. |
| 00:59.48 | qwerty_ | Try just modprobe matroxfb. |
| 00:59.49 | classw | hi... do you know how i can update the kernel file? |
| 00:59.53 | pooh | mentor: n/m...I just edit /etc/modules...but 3 hardware devices that I've pulled are still getting loaded during boot...and they're not list in /etc/modules. |
| 00:59.57 | tarzeau-hurd | kawfee: have you tried it? |
| 01:00.00 | tacocat | Not Found! |
| 01:00.03 | papipro | how can i monitore the attemp conections and active conections to my server? |
| 01:00.03 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: no. |
| 01:00.11 | qwerty_ | classw '/msg dpkg kp' |
| 01:00.12 | qwerty_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.15 | Justin_ | Toolah: what are you trying to do |
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| 01:00.28 | tarzeau-hurd | Justin_: you haven't tried Debian GNU/Hurd yet, have you? |
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| 01:00.44 | qwerty_ | tarzeau-hurd how well does it run? |
| 01:00.59 | tarzeau-hurd | qwerty_: i'm on it now |
| 01:01.01 | tacocat | qwerty_ I don't have any matrox drivers under the /lib/modules/2.6.0-1-k7 directory |
| 01:01.06 | tarzeau-hurd | GNU hurd 0.3 GNUmach-1.2/Hurd-0.3 i386-AT386 GNU |
| 01:01.13 | karsten | What's a decent console-based traffic sniffer/monitor? |
| 01:01.14 | guk | How would I get somthing to cron every 5 minutes ? |
| 01:01.22 | qwerty_ | tacocat Try just modprobe matroxfb. |
| 01:01.27 | guk | im in the crontab thing ... I just need the command to get it to cron every 5 minutes |
| 01:01.27 | Justin_ | tarzeau-hurd: no |
| 01:01.28 | tarzeau-hurd | qwerty_: i can run screen, developer tools and irssi |
| 01:01.35 | classw | qwerty_ thanx ;) |
| 01:01.37 | qwerty_ | tarzeau-hurd x? |
| 01:01.42 | tacocat | modprobe -> not found |
| 01:01.49 | tarzeau-hurd | qwerty_: the debian xlibs package is broken, but yes X11 runs |
| 01:02.17 | qwerty_ | tarzeau-hurd Im gona have to check that out. 'My Linux is powered by H.U.R.D!' |
| 01:02.29 | tacocat | how do I update the module library? |
| 01:02.30 | pooh | besides "/etc/modutils/*" and "/etc/modules", what else causes debian to load a particular module during boot? |
| 01:02.30 | tarzeau-hurd | qwerty_: no you don't have linux anymore when you have hurd |
| 01:02.31 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: I have it compiling, just not linking. =] |
| 01:02.48 | tarzeau-hurd | qwerty_: but really try it, freshmeat.net/projects/hurd/ get that K5 ISO image |
| 01:02.53 | qwerty_ | tarzeau-hurd richard stalman would disagree strongly with you! |
| 01:03.04 | tarzeau-hurd | qwerty_: why? |
| 01:03.12 | qwerty_ | tarzeau-hurd sarcasm :) |
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| 01:03.26 | CentrX | guk: Follow the format, m h dom mon dow, so I suppose 5 * * * * |
| 01:03.46 | guk | okay ... |
| 01:03.52 | qwerty_ | tacocat vi /etc/modules |
| 01:04.08 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: I don't have the bot stuff so I'm going to remove it. I don't suppose you know what this is for? |
| 01:04.11 | qwerty_ | tacocat did modprobe matroxfb work? |
| 01:04.27 | guk | CentrX: so in the crontab window it would look like this "5 * * * * fetchmail" |
| 01:04.27 | tacocat | OK, it's pretty short list |
| 01:04.36 | tarzeau-hurd | kawfee: bot stuff? i have no idea what is that |
| 01:04.44 | CentrX | guk: That is, the first field is every x minutes, 2nd is every x hours, etc. |
| 01:04.44 | kawfee | I'm having a bit of trouble getting samba running. It was working before but I changed ip addresses. The machine that is running samba get's an ip by DHCP. It is usually set at 192.168.0.243. The computer it connects to has an ip of 192.168.0.1. What should be the interfaces line? interfaces = 192.168.0.0/24 ? Is that right?> |
| 01:04.45 | tacocat | modprobe matroxfb -> not found |
| 01:04.49 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: k |
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| 01:04.53 | guk | CentrX: hmm ... |
| 01:04.57 | qwerty_ | tacocat thats the user added modules to load at boot. |
| 01:04.57 | guk | CentrX: im confused |
| 01:04.58 | tarzeau-hurd | kawfee: http://www.catenema.com/cat1.html |
| 01:04.59 | CentrX | guk: Put the username you would like the program to run as before the fetchmail command |
| 01:05.00 | tarzeau-hurd | apt cat |
| 01:05.05 | | well, cat is officially used to concatenate files. cat is also used to display the contents of a file on screen. Syntax: cat (file1) (file2) ...(fileN) Where file1 through fileN are the files to display. Example: cat letters/from-mdw displays the file letters/from-mdw. or a clawed walking stomach that meows |
| 01:05.05 | skie^ | Does anybody now if it is possible to read the data on swap partition on (all) linux as regular user? |
| 01:05.12 | tarzeau-hurd | apt meow |
| 01:05.16 | | jbot: woem |
| 01:05.16 | qwerty_ | tacocat if it cant find it, try someone in the channel I do all kernel stuff by hand. |
| 01:05.25 | tacocat | ok thanks |
| 01:05.25 | guk | oh ... so 0 right ? |
| 01:05.42 | CentrX | guk: that might work, but the way it is in my file is the name, so "root" |
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| 01:06.09 | CentrX | guk: although if you're just getting the mail for yourself, it should probably just be your own username |
| 01:06.15 | guk | oh ... I did one off some website ... to cron NTP |
| 01:06.21 | guk | CentrX: really ? I didn't know ... |
| 01:06.29 | guk | oh well it's running for all of 5 seconds ... I won't bother fixing it now |
| 01:06.41 | guk | 0 3,9,15,21 * * * /usr/sbin/rdate time-server.ndo.com | logger -t NTP |
| 01:06.45 | guk | this is my time server cron |
| 01:07.01 | guk | so what would it be for fetchmail ? |
| 01:07.21 | tacocat | guk: */5 * * * * --> every five minutes |
| 01:07.46 | sgeigerbot | Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 01:07.53 | guk | okay ... so it would look like "*/5 * * * * fetchmail" |
| 01:07.54 | guk | right ? |
| 01:08.22 | tacocat | yes |
| 01:08.28 | kawfee | tarzeau-hurd: heh |
| 01:08.32 | CentrX | guk, tacocat: According to the Debian /etc/crontab I have, you would put the username before the command? |
| 01:08.32 | guk | Excellent ... what about the user or somthing |
| 01:08.36 | tacocat | I would prefer you use the full path name.... |
| 01:08.53 | guk | tacocat: alright :) of course ... That was a just to make sure im right commend :) |
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| 01:09.19 | guk | so "0 */5 * * * * fetchmail" would make it work from root |
| 01:09.29 | guk | since root is user 0 (as an example) |
| 01:09.31 | Caspan{A} | any one know in razor 1.2 how to log to a certain file other then the / dir ? |
| 01:09.36 | wild[a] | 'lo |
| 01:10.02 | wild[a] | who's familiar with device-mapper/makedev and maybe udev ? |
| 01:10.06 | tacocat | guk: not that I'm aware of. |
| 01:10.14 | guk | oh |
| 01:10.23 | guk | so how do I tell it what user to run from ? |
| 01:10.24 | Justin_ | putting fetchmail in cron is a pretty stupid idea... |
| 01:10.29 | guk | why ? |
| 01:10.33 | the_poet | anyone know of a debian utility that will view .cbz files? something like cddisplay, but with a debian distribution |
| 01:10.38 | guk | don't I need to keep getting it to download ? or does it do it it's self ? |
| 01:10.38 | Caspan{A} | run fetchmail as a demon |
| 01:10.41 | guk | oh ? |
| 01:10.49 | guk | Now your getting ever so complicated |
| 01:10.54 | wild[a] | i'm missing hdi in /dev, and makedev won't create it... |
| 01:10.58 | wild[a] | that boils it down pretty much |
| 01:10.58 | Justin_ | no, cron is complicated |
| 01:11.04 | Justin_ | telling fetchmail to do what you want is simple |
| 01:11.14 | guk | Justin_: okay ... so how would I get it to run every 5 minutes ? |
| 01:12.05 | skie^ | is it possible to read the data on swap partition on (all) linux as regular user? |
| 01:12.12 | Justin_ | guk: it's in the manual... |
| 01:12.13 | cafuego | wild[a]: MAKEDEV ide4 |
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| 01:12.21 | tarzeau-hurd | skie^: i don't think so |
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| 01:12.30 | wild[a] | cafuego: it's attached to a pdc raid controller |
| 01:12.35 | tarzeau-hurd | skie^: depends on the permissions of /dev/thedevice no? |
| 01:12.35 | guk | hmm |
| 01:12.35 | guk | okay |
| 01:12.39 | cafuego | wild[a]: MAKEDEV ide4 |
| 01:12.46 | wild[a] | fine fine :P, sec |
| 01:12.50 | skie^ | tarzeau-hurd: i dont know |
| 01:13.23 | wild[a] | cafuego: /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "ide4" |
| 01:13.42 | linuxfreck | skie^: would be a huge security issue if it was |
| 01:13.57 | Ruglia | How can I edit xf86config to get the resolution of a widescreen? |
| 01:14.02 | papipro | how can i leave an app running in a remote ssh shell? |
| 01:14.09 | cafuego | wild[a]: mknod -m 660 /dev/hdi b 56 0 |
| 01:14.14 | tacocat | qwerty_: fwiw, xfree works under 2.4.24 just fine... I'll dig around longer. |
| 01:14.14 | wild[a] | papipro: use screen |
| 01:14.22 | papipro | i've tried ./app &, but when i logout the app closes |
| 01:14.25 | cafuego | wild[a]: chown root.disk /dev/hdi |
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| 01:14.36 | linuxfreck | papipro: screen or nohup |
| 01:14.40 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: MAKEDEV hdi; will work... |
| 01:14.48 | papipro | linuxfreck: which is better ? |
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| 01:15.13 | linuxfreck | papipro: depends, screen is more powerful though |
| 01:15.24 | papipro | linuxfreck: is 'screen ./app' only? i dont need the & in the end? |
| 01:15.32 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I did a grep and mine has a case ide4) which makes hdi and hdj |
| 01:15.47 | papipro | wild[a]: is nohup ./app? |
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| 01:15.59 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: hrm... sid's just lists hdX |
| 01:16.01 | wild[a] | cafuego: looking sexy, thx. are you familiar with the device-mapper bug as well ? |
| 01:16.05 | skie^ | linuxfreck: why would the necessity of being root to do something dangerous be a security risk? |
| 01:16.09 | the_poet | is there a debian utility that will display .cbz digital comic files? cddisplay doesn't have a debian distro |
| 01:16.10 | Ginuwine | jnbaefehh |
| 01:16.12 | papipro | linuxfreck: i dont have the screen so i will use the nohup |
| 01:16.14 | cafuego | papipro: if you detact the screen before logging out the app will keep running, whether it backgrounds or not. |
| 01:16.17 | wild[a] | papipro: man nohup |
| 01:16.20 | linuxfreck | papipro: man nohup |
| 01:16.28 | cafuego | detach |
| 01:16.39 | cafuego | wild[a]: Nope.. using standard ide only |
| 01:16.41 | Ginuwine | cafuego: Um deinen Nick zu registrieren gib ein: /msg nickserv register <Passwort> <E-Mail> |
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| 01:17.08 | cafuego | Ginuwine: Warumm redest du auf deutsch mit mir? |
| 01:17.23 | linuxfreck | skie^: it would be a security risk if normal users could access sensitive data like the swap file |
| 01:17.40 | wild[a] | cafuego: it's not directly related to the device-mapper itself, more of a bug in the script which basically screws up makedev if it encounters filenames with dashes |
| 01:17.41 | wild[a] | oh well |
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| 01:17.55 | Ginuwine | cafuego deine mutter |
| 01:18.17 | dbron | Hi all, I am trying to do a netinstall on an ibm thinkpad 600. The pcmcia network card is recognized find when booting off the cd but after a reboot the installed image seems to be missing something. With the same modules loaded, the network doesn't load (eth0 doesn't exist). Anyone know why the network isn't recognized on reboot? If I restart pcmcia, I get one high tone and one low tone. |
| 01:18.21 | cafuego | Ginuwine: If you have nothing useful to contribute, either shut your wordhole or go away. |
| 01:18.46 | deine_mutter_ins | halt dini scheiss schnorre |
| 01:18.48 | cafuego | wild[a]: probably file a bug against the package the script is in. |
| 01:18.53 | deine_mutter_ins | sus hesch bald e fuscht |
| 01:18.55 | deine_mutter_ins | gell |
| 01:19.01 | deine_mutter_ins | du nuttesohn |
| 01:19.06 | deine_mutter_ins | i hau der dschnorre |
| 01:19.07 | deine_mutter_ins | wegg |
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| 01:19.14 | deine_mutter_ins | verstande? |
| 01:19.17 | wild[a] | cafuego: already been done, but no fixes yet |
| 01:19.28 | wild[a] | can someone ban `deine_mutter_ins` ? he's cursing in german |
| 01:19.29 | cafuego | deine_mutter_ins: I really worry when a dumb child threatens me like that, yes. |
| 01:19.35 | deine_mutter_ins | dini muetter |
| 01:19.41 | the_poet | hello, I'm trying to view a .cbz file on my xbox with xebian, but cddisplay doesn't have a debian version ... is there another utility out there that does the same thing? |
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| 01:19.46 | deine_mutter_ins | cafuego |
| 01:19.47 | dondelelcaro | deine_mutter_ins: #debian.de plesae. |
| 01:19.54 | deine_mutter_ins | wh? |
| 01:20.02 | kingsley | Could I persuade someone here to try to duplicate what appears to me to be a bug in the unstable version (2000.05.07-5) of lpr? |
| 01:20.05 | Ruglia | How can I choose the resolution of 1280x854 in xf86config? |
| 01:20.05 | deine_mutter_ins | lolz |
| 01:20.08 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: It's more suited to #insults.de |
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| 01:20.21 | wild[a] | thank thee |
| 01:20.42 | cafuego | wild[a]: Easy to fix yerself? |
| 01:20.49 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: cheers |
| 01:20.56 | wild[a] | cafuego: i'm trying to figure that out right now |
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| 01:21.05 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, working on something else... ;-) |
| 01:21.08 | cafuego | wild[a]: if it is, file another bug and include a patch. |
| 01:21.10 | skie^ | linuxfreck: Suppose if I was able to do so what would be a good tool to decode it to something readable |
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| 01:21.34 | dondelelcaro | wild[a]: which bug is that? |
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| 01:21.53 | wild[a] | dondelelcaro: sec, i'm trying to find it again :/ |
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| 01:22.20 | linuxfreck | skie^: I don't think such tools exist, since swap is just parts of computer memory, and there's no info about which parts |
| 01:22.45 | cafuego | skie^: You can 'dd' the swap aprtition to a file and use strings on it. |
| 01:22.50 | wild[a] | dondelelcaro: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200207/msg00270.html |
| 01:23.01 | cafuego | skie^: it'll have a lot of interesting stuff. |
| 01:23.10 | wild[a] | dondelelcaro: according to that message, #104254 covers that |
| 01:23.15 | cafuego | skie^: See also /proc/kcore |
| 01:23.56 | the_poet | anyone know of a debian util that can read .cbz files? |
| 01:24.13 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 104254 |
| 01:24.15 | skie^ | Thank you linuxfreck, cafuego |
| 01:24.15 | dpkg | #104254:M[makedev] MAKEDEV is confused because of special formated entries in /proc/devices [#174275,#187774,#189948] |
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| 01:25.03 | mrwoody | i am trying to use: mount ~paolo/windowsXP.iso -r -o loop ~/prova/max2 . But I get mount: Not a directory |
| 01:25.03 | mrwoody | What am i missing? |
| 01:25.07 | CentrX | the_poet: I would try looking for other Linux utilities that do it and see if any of them are included in Debian |
| 01:25.13 | wild[a] | dondelelcaro: ${device/-/_} |
| 01:25.26 | wild[a] | heck, cafuego^ |
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| 01:25.31 | wild[a] | that appears to fix it |
| 01:25.40 | wild[a] | replacing $device instances with that |
| 01:26.16 | kingsley | Could I persuade someone here to try to duplicate what appears to me to be a bug in the unstable version (2000.05.07-5) of lpr? |
| 01:26.41 | CentrX | kingsley: If you can't find anyone to do that, report the bug to the BTS |
| 01:26.53 | CentrX | kingsley: And, if you do find someone who can duplicate it...report the bug to the BTS |
| 01:27.10 | dondelelcaro | wild[a]: yeah... I'm not quite sure why that hasn't been done... |
| 01:27.21 | dondelelcaro | wild[a]: although, bdale tends to take a bit to apply patches to MAKEDEV... |
| 01:28.01 | wild[a] | debian:/sbin# MAKEDEV hdj |
| 01:28.01 | wild[a] | debian:/sbin# file /dev/hdj |
| 01:28.01 | wild[a] | /dev/hdj: cannot open (/dev/hdj) |
| 01:28.02 | the_poet | Centrx: I seem to have found one - it's called Comical and it's a sourceforge project |
| 01:28.08 | wild[a] | i am.... unsatisfied |
| 01:28.22 | the_poet | Centrx: apt-get install comical doesn't work - I may have to add a dependency |
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| 01:28.29 | dondelelcaro | wild[a]: cd /dev; MAKEDEV hdj;. [file /sbin/hdj] |
| 01:28.42 | kingsley | CentrX: Ha ha. Yes, I may end up just reporting it to the BTS. My only concern is my reluctant to waste developers' time. |
| 01:28.47 | sandman | Anyone here own a PCG-U101? |
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| 01:28.59 | the_poet | This project has not released any files ... damn! |
| 01:29.05 | CentrX | the_poet: You can use the apt-cache search functionality to search for things |
| 01:29.07 | the_poet | okay, Comical is out |
| 01:29.13 | wild[a] | dondelelcaro: gotta hate it when leaving screen puts you back were you were before :P |
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| 01:29.31 | wild[a] | dondelelcaro: works like a charm of course |
| 01:29.41 | CentrX | the_poet: it doesn't look like anything of the like is in the official repository, but check out www.apt-get.org for unofficial apt repositories |
| 01:29.59 | mrwoody | i am trying to use: mount ~paolo/windowsXP.iso -r -o loop ~/prova/max2 . But I get mount: Not a directory. What am I doing wrong? |
| 01:30.01 | googlyboy | is console-common (0.7.34) broken in unstable? I'm trying to install it, but i get errors during installation |
| 01:30.15 | trans_err | pentium m or pentium 4 m? comments? |
| 01:30.32 | dondelelcaro | wild[a]: heh. yeah, that's a bit wierd at first... but it's very usefull for chroots... |
| 01:30.48 | wild[a] | dondelelcaro ....right. |
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| 01:31.13 | wild[a] | well it's the natural behaviour of course. just user stupidity |
| 01:31.16 | kc9ddi | Ok, I ran this command in the kernel-source directory |
| 01:31.26 | kc9ddi | make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --revision=2 kernel_image |
| 01:31.42 | kc9ddi | Now, what else do I have to run to get a functioning kernel and modules? |
| 01:31.50 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: i know... but that wouldn't really solve my problem |
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| 01:32.01 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: would you know the answer if i rename the file? ;-) |
| 01:32.09 | wild[a] | dondelelcaro: :%s/$device/${device\/-\/_}/g will do the job just fine. |
| 01:32.21 | the_poet | CentrX: Nothing on apt-get.org on .cbz files |
| 01:32.27 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: mkdir bar; mount -o loop -r foo.iso bar |
| 01:32.29 | guruman | Im pretty new to c/c++ and im checking some source code and i can figure out pretty much everything but its one thing i dont understand "y = screen->w" Whats the meaning of "->"? cant find any info from google since it wont search with these chars. And my book dont say anything about it :/ |
| 01:32.32 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: man mount. |
| 01:32.35 | the_poet | :( |
| 01:32.48 | dondelelcaro | kc9ddi: dpkg -i the resultant deb after the kernel build finishes. |
| 01:32.51 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: what is the difference with what I am doing? |
| 01:32.51 | googlyboy | Anybody knows if console-common (0.7.34) is broken in unstable? I'm trying to install it, but i get errors during installation |
| 01:32.57 | Justin_ | guruman: get a new book |
| 01:33.11 | CentrX | guruman: yes, if your book doesn't have that, you need a new book |
| 01:33.27 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: ~paolo for starters is wrong, and you've specified 3 things. the iso, a directory, and . |
| 01:33.28 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: and look for what? what kind of error is "mount: not a directory" |
| 01:33.40 | js | what is the line i ask dpkg about when i want to know how to use magic cookies and xauthority? |
| 01:33.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell js about sshx |
| 01:33.50 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: the . was the end of the sentence |
| 01:33.57 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: but i didn't write it in my command |
| 01:33.58 | js | thanks :) |
| 01:34.07 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: what is wrong about ~paolo/ ? |
| 01:34.07 | kc9ddi | dondelelcaro: and if I had PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES as an env var before doing that, the kernel-patch-freeswan patch should have been applied? |
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| 01:34.15 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: it has to be ~/paolo |
| 01:34.17 | guruman | Justin_ well actually my book might have it but at least the Index doesnt say anything about it .. is it a C specific thing? |
| 01:34.18 | js | hm thats not what i wanted dondelelcaro |
| 01:34.24 | js | unless |
| 01:34.24 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: ? what are you talking about? |
| 01:34.38 | Justin_ | guruman: don't read the index, read the book |
| 01:34.39 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: ~/paolo and ~paolo/ are 2 different things |
| 01:34.51 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: anyway that wouldn't solve that problem either... |
| 01:34.58 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: i am in ~paolo right now |
| 01:35.20 | guk | argh... how do I tell debian to fuck off with those msgs telling me that my cron process completed ... |
| 01:35.26 | guk | im getting like so many |
| 01:35.34 | guruman | Justin_ i do, but i just need this info to get this point .. dont want to read through the entire book for that |
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| 01:35.39 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: and the output of file ~/prova/max2 |
| 01:36.10 | dondelelcaro | guk: uh, messages where? mailed to you? |
| 01:36.11 | fyn | Is there a good apt source for apollon and whatever other packages are needed to access Kazaa stuffs from Sarge? |
| 01:36.18 | tacocat | guk: fetchmail 1>/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 01:36.20 | guk | root@Solosoft is mailing my msgs |
| 01:36.24 | guk | Envelope-to: root@Solosoft |
| 01:36.24 | guk | From: Cron Daemon <root@Solosoft> |
| 01:36.32 | dondelelcaro | guk: MAILTO="" or redirect the output to /dev/null |
| 01:36.34 | the_poet | CentrX: I could get CDisplay and see if Wine will run it :) |
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| 01:36.39 | CentrX | guruman: it is in both C and C++, it would be in the pointeres section if it is in the book |
| 01:36.40 | dondelelcaro | guk: man 5 crontab |
| 01:36.44 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: ? ~/prova/max2 is a directory... anyway i also simplfied things by changing names |
| 01:36.49 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: but still same error |
| 01:36.51 | the_poet | CentrX: Though I haven't got Wine to run anything yet |
| 01:37.06 | guruman | CentrX thanks. |
| 01:37.22 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: is loop.o loaded? to you have a loop device? can you file foo.iso? |
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| 01:37.25 | kc9ddi | dondelelcaro: ok, before rebooting, I run lilo, and get: |
| 01:37.34 | kc9ddi | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 01:37.34 | kc9ddi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.34 | kc9ddi | fatal_: open /initrd.img: No such file or directory |
| 01:37.38 | the_poet | CentrX: Alternatively, a .cbz file is just a zip file, really, so I can just unzip the images and view them individually |
| 01:37.47 | the_poet | though it's not as fun that way |
| 01:38.02 | CentrX | guruman: It is basically a shorthand for a member of a pointed to structure |
| 01:38.08 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: i can file foo.iso just fine |
| 01:38.14 | dondelelcaro | kc9ddi: you're asking lilo to use an initrd and you didn't build one. assuming you build the modules you need to mount / into your kenrel, you're ok. |
| 01:38.15 | CentrX | guruman: Like, (*p).m is the same as p->m |
| 01:38.26 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: and loop.o is loaded |
| 01:38.27 | rfm | Is there tool which will take a CVS tree that's been modified and generate a set of patches? |
| 01:38.31 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: then strace mount and see which directory it's asking about. |
| 01:38.43 | dondelelcaro | rfm: cvs diff |
| 01:38.49 | kc9ddi | dondelelcaro: did make-kpkg build the modules? What do I need to do to mount / into my kernel? |
| 01:38.53 | guk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.53 | guk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.53 | guk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.53 | guk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:39.05 | guk | argh ... it tells me I can shut it off but don't tell me hwo |
| 01:39.24 | Justin_ | guk: so much for reading the fetchmail manual |
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| 01:39.30 | guk | Justin_: I got over that |
| 01:39.32 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: i am not good with strace... but these are the last few lines: open("/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 01:39.32 | mrwoody | write(3, "mount: Not a directory\n", 23mount: Not a directory |
| 01:39.32 | mrwoody | ) = 23 |
| 01:39.39 | dondelelcaro | guk: If MAILTO is defined but empty (MAILTO=""), no mail will be sent. |
| 01:39.44 | dondelelcaro | guk: man 5 crontab. |
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| 01:39.51 | guk | but I want some of the debian e-mail |
| 01:39.53 | kc9ddi | Just out of curiosity, why is the limit here seem to be 3 lines before a flood, and not 4? Most other channels seem to allow 4. |
| 01:39.53 | guk | im reading that right now |
| 01:40.09 | kc9ddi | dondelelcaro: do I need to make an initrd? |
| 01:40.12 | Justin_ | kc9ddi: it IS 4 |
| 01:40.13 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: there's an error infront of that. |
| 01:40.22 | CentrX | kc9ddi: I saw him get 4 lines off... |
| 01:40.25 | Ruglia | What does the error "no screens found" after trying to startx? |
| 01:40.36 | CentrX | Ruglia: X is not configured properly for a display |
| 01:40.40 | asuffield | Ruglia: means there was another error earlier on |
| 01:40.44 | rfm | dondelcaro: thanks... I had my brain locked into thinking diff only did one file at a time... |
| 01:40.50 | kc9ddi | Justin_: I ment most channels kick/get pissed off with 5 or more lines, ie they allow you to post 4 lines without too many problems |
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| 01:41.11 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: missing file? |
| 01:41.31 | Ruglia | ugh...my laptops screen is wide and i can't figure out how to configure it right. any ideas? |
| 01:42.02 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: it's going to search for one of the files you're mounting, or the directory that you're trying to mount to, and it's going to fail. look for which -ENOENT corresponds to an option you passed. |
| 01:42.03 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: i am missing the package locales i guess, but isn't it weird? |
| 01:42.18 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: thats _NOT_ the error. |
| 01:42.24 | kawfee | .zip requires what program? |
| 01:42.29 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: that's libc.mo being loaded to translate the error if possible. |
| 01:42.34 | Justin_ | kawfee: unp |
| 01:42.37 | kawfee | gunzip? |
| 01:42.55 | wild[a] | dondelelcaro, cafuego : thanks a lot for your time, have a nice evening ! |
| 01:42.57 | kawfee | Justin_: that's a program name? |
| 01:42.57 | CentrX | kawfee: "unzip" |
| 01:43.03 | Justin_ | kawfee: apt-get install unp |
| 01:43.06 | dondelelcaro | wild[a]: np... have fun. |
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| 01:43.13 | papipro | there is any cmd line app to see how much is the Upload and download rate that is in use? |
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| 01:43.21 | kawfee | E: Couldn't find package unp |
| 01:43.28 | kawfee | care to try again? |
| 01:43.30 | CentrX | kawfee: Justin is somewhat incorrect anyway, unp is just a frontend to unzip |
| 01:43.34 | CentrX | kawfee: unzip is what you want |
| 01:43.35 | kawfee | I thought it would be unzip |
| 01:43.41 | Justin_ | !+info unp |
| 01:43.46 | dpkg | unp: (unpack (almost) everything with one command), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.0.9 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 01:44.00 | Justin_ | !+info unp woody |
| 01:44.02 | dpkg | unp: (unpack (almost) everything with one command), section non-US/contrib, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-5 (woody), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 01:44.08 | CentrX | Justin_: Yes, but if you look at the dependency information, it depends on all the other unarchivers |
| 01:44.11 | kawfee | ~apt-cache show unp |
| 01:44.16 | Justin_ | of course it does |
| 01:44.45 | Justin_ | unless of course you prefer to remember random options to every random program... |
| 01:45.00 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: how about this line: access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 01:45.04 | kawfee | that package doesn't exist for me |
| 01:45.13 | papipro | how can i see the download and upload rate in my gateway? |
| 01:45.22 | kawfee | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.25 | CentrX | Justin_: unzip doesn't require any arguments, and I don't think he needs/wants the other 12 archive programs |
| 01:45.40 | kc9ddi | Has anyone installed freeswan on debian? I just want to make sure I did the kernel compile thing correctly before rebooting. (I'm connecting over ssh) |
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| 01:46.52 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: weird... i have used xcdroast to translate the .iso file in .img file and now i can mount it |
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| 01:47.11 | Croepha | does anyone know a quick way to add a line to the begining to a whole bunch of files in reclusive directories? |
| 01:47.27 | wethion_ | !debstats |
| 01:47.27 | dpkg | it has been said that debstats is taken over by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 01:48.18 | dondelelcaro | Croepha: find . -type f |xargs -n 1 perl -pi -e 'BEGIN {print q(\n)}' |
| 01:48.30 | FieldySnuts | !seen sussudio |
| 01:48.30 | dpkg | sussudio <Suss@83.117.69.229> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 23h 51m 1s ago, saying: 'toga: stop with the sitewhoring.'. |
| 01:48.36 | FieldySnuts | cool he's back |
| 01:48.40 | pooh | during boot, besides parsing "/etc/modules" or modules to be load for hardware, where else does it look? (I have a MegaRAID Elite 1600 that was detected during install as both "qla1280" and "megaraid", I've now built "megaraid" into kernel, but during boot, debian is still trying to load the "qla1280" modules, even though it's not listed in "/etc/modules") |
| 01:49.10 | dondelelcaro | Croepha: test that first, though... and you probably want to use perl -pi .bak -e ... |
| 01:49.35 | FieldySnuts | !lart pooh |
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| 01:50.10 | CentrX | pooh: Are you trying to get a module to properly load? |
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| 01:50.35 | Justin_ | pooh: grep -r qla1280 /etc/ |
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| 01:51.16 | pooh | CentrX: I'm trying to figure out why is the "qla1280" loading when it's not in "/etc/modules"...and not selected at all in my custom kernel config |
| 01:51.25 | smacnay | what is the alsa package I need to "reconfigure" - alsa-base? It is 'dpkg --configure package'? |
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| 01:52.11 | pooh | Justin_: result is <null> |
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| 01:52.25 | Justin_ | pooh: discover? |
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| 01:52.41 | CentrX | pooh: The kernel does have the capability to automatically load modules by itself, IIRC |
| 01:53.10 | CentrX | pooh: if grepping for it in /etc/ doesn't find it, that's probably what's happening |
| 01:53.32 | smacnay | hmm, dpkg --configure alsa-base returns errors - installed bu errors were encountered while processing. |
| 01:53.49 | kendrick | i forget what videocard driver i used when i configured xserver |
| 01:54.01 | pooh | centrX: so there's nothing I can do? (Just deal with it?) |
| 01:54.04 | kendrick | i know dpkg-reconfigure will show it to me (as default), but i dont wanna run it again |
| 01:54.18 | Justin_ | kendrick: so look at the X config |
| 01:54.20 | kendrick | where does that little tidbit of info get stored? i dont see anything in XF86Config-4 |
| 01:54.22 | pooh | Justin_: grep returns nothing. |
| 01:54.27 | Justin_ | pooh: discover? |
| 01:54.27 | thomas_adam | kendrick: ? |
| 01:54.39 | kingsley | Could I persuade someone here to try to duplicate what appears to me to be a bug in the unstable version (2000.05.07-5) of lpr? |
| 01:54.53 | Justin_ | kingsley: just report the bug already |
| 01:54.53 | kendrick | oh SHIT |
| 01:54.53 | kendrick | hahahaha |
| 01:54.57 | kendrick | there it is :) SIS. |
| 01:54.57 | papipro | how can i see the download and upload rate in my gateway? |
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| 01:55.33 | pooh | Justin_: discover qla1280 |
| 01:55.33 | pooh | Unknown or unsupported device `qla1280' |
| 01:55.47 | Justin_ | well, that answers my question |
| 01:56.10 | Justin_ | pooh: you NEVER noticed, that it tries to load qla1280 after "Startging discover"? |
| 01:56.59 | CentrX | papipro: Try using iptraf, although i'm sure there are many other programs |
| 01:57.11 | pooh | Justin_: ok, that didn't make sense to me, so please clarify? |
| 01:57.27 | Justin_ | pooh: man discover |
| 01:57.32 | beta3 | Justin_: does cramfs work nicely in 2.6? or do I need some patch? |
| 01:57.45 | Justin_ | who actually uses cramfs? |
| 01:58.41 | thomas_adam | Justin_: lots of tiny people |
| 01:58.42 | pooh | Justin_: discover scsi |
| 01:58.42 | pooh | Q Logic QLA12160 Dual Channel Ultra3 SCSI Processor |
| 01:58.42 | pooh | American Megatrends Inc. MegaRAID |
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| 01:59.39 | pooh | Justin_: you see, I don't have the "Q Logic QLA12160..." thingie in my system at all! And I don't have it listed "/etc/modules", yet, it still tries to load during boot. |
| 01:59.50 | Wyzard | tacocat: Any luck with LVM? |
| 02:00.15 | CentrX | pooh: are you sure you don't have it? it might be integrated into your motherboard |
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| 02:01.40 | BUBBAdK | i've just installed a brand new debian and x works (havent installed either kde or gnome) what should i type if i wan't to install the beta of kde like "apt-get install ???" |
| 02:01.41 | wolfowitz | is it poccible to upgrade only one .deb? if i run apt-get upgrade package apt wants to upgrade a whole lot of other packages that are not related... |
| 02:01.41 | pooh | CentrX: yes, I'm sure. This is the Tyan K8W Opteron board. It does not have built-in SCSI. Although those morons may have left the SCSI code in the BIOS lay dormant. |
| 02:02.04 | CentrX | heh |
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| 02:02.14 | Wyzard | wolfowitz: "apt-get install" just that package, and apt will upgrade it (and any dependencies, if necessary) and nothing else |
| 02:02.22 | CentrX | BUBBAdK: What version do you mean, that is what do you mean by "beta"? |
| 02:02.29 | BUBBAdK | 3.2 |
| 02:02.49 | wolfowitz | Wyzrad, thanks |
| 02:03.23 | BUBBAdK | centrx : do you know |
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| 02:04.00 | pooh | CentrX,Justin_: ok, so there's nothing I can do...just deal with it? (btw, Sarge install on my board fails when it detects the "QLAxxx"...I have to boot with "expert" and supply "foobar" parms when QLA is detected.) |
| 02:04.02 | Justin_ | pooh: paste the output of lspci in #flood |
| 02:04.10 | wolfowitz | anyone recommend a xmms-like (but not xmms) media player? |
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| 02:04.47 | thoreauputic | BUBBAdK: don't think you can install 3.2 on woody |
| 02:04.52 | CentrX | BUBBAdK: I recommend you use one of the unofficial repositories at www.apt-get.org if you would like KDE 3.2 |
| 02:05.12 | CentrX | pooh: have you looked at dmesg ? |
| 02:05.30 | Croepha | how do you join strings in bash? |
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| 02:06.05 | pooh | CentrX: yes, QLAxxx says cannot find module, but I didn't select in custom build. |
| 02:06.27 | Justin_ | pooh: sure looks like you have scsi to me |
| 02:06.40 | pooh | CentrX: if I do build the "qla1280" module, it give standard error as if config is wrong. |
| 02:07.06 | pooh | Justin_: That's phantom...you want a picture of my board? :) |
| 02:07.12 | dondelelcaro | Croepha: "$foo$bar". [man bash] |
| 02:07.23 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.24 | Justin_ | pooh: check the bios then |
| 02:07.40 | BUBBAdK | ok...what file should i edit to add the deb http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~aschultz/debian/ unstable/ |
| 02:07.48 | pooh | Justin_: As I've said, maybe the Tyan people didn't remove the SCSI code from BIOS |
| 02:07.48 | michal | hi.. i'd like to run a scenario past you. i have a box with debian on sda2 and a blank partition on sda1. I need a special kernel in order to be able to boot (of which i have a kernel-package created deb). now i want to install win98se on sda1 but this will overwrite the boot information on the drive and I will only be able to boot into win98se. i do not have a floppy drive in this machine but i do have a cdrom drive. what is the sol |
| 02:07.58 | Justin_ | pooh: no, check the settings in the bios |
| 02:08.13 | pooh | Justin_: And, yes, I have checked the BIOS...nothing about SCSI at all. |
| 02:08.26 | Justin_ | sucks :-) |
| 02:08.40 | CentrX | BUBBAdK: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:08.50 | pooh | Justin_: I've went through this with a fine tooth comb...couldn't figure out...so here I am. |
| 02:08.56 | CentrX | BUBBAdK: however, you should find what's called a "woody backport" |
| 02:09.07 | CentrX | BUBBAdK: That source you found is for the "unstable" branch of Debian, so it will probably break your system |
| 02:09.08 | BUBBAdK | i'm using sid |
| 02:09.08 | Justin_ | pooh: remove discover or configure discover |
| 02:09.15 | CentrX | BUBBAdK: oh ok |
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| 02:09.40 | pooh | Justin_: Is discover what's causing the auto module loading? |
| 02:09.49 | dondelelcaro | michal: make a cd that has a eltorrito image that will boot your computer. |
| 02:10.09 | michal | dondelelcaro: is a procedure for how to do that documented anywhere? |
| 02:10.29 | gustavo_ | how the hell do I know what is my current status on gaim? Let's say how do I know if i am online, invisible etc... |
| 02:10.35 | arauko | michal, uses isolinux |
| 02:10.44 | Ruglia | Are there any handy video utilities that help with configuring xserver or give you specs? |
| 02:10.45 | beta3 | Justin_: whats the point in keeping 2.0 and 2.2 kernels around still |
| 02:10.45 | Justin_ | gustavo_: add youself to your buddy list |
| 02:10.59 | michal | arauko: what? |
| 02:10.59 | dondelelcaro | michal: build floopy, stick it in directory, run mkisofs with appropriate arguments. burn. |
| 02:11.09 | arauko | michal, what do you want to do? |
| 02:11.14 | Justin_ | beta3: who said there was a point? |
| 02:11.21 | pooh | Justin_: what I can't figure out is that I have no reference to the "qlaxxx" module, yet, it get loaded during boot...so I can't figure out what's loading it. |
| 02:11.26 | beta3 | Justin_: heh, don't knwo |
| 02:11.34 | michal | dondelelcaro: build floppy? how do i do that without a floppy drive? |
| 02:11.38 | Justin_ | pooh: I just told you! |
| 02:11.56 | dondelelcaro | michal: just make a floppy image. doesn't have to be a real floppy disk. |
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| 02:12.14 | dondelelcaro | michal: mount -o loop floppy.img floppy; is your friend. |
| 02:12.19 | tacocat | Wyzard: hi |
| 02:12.21 | pooh | Justin_: ok...sorry...thick skull...so discover is the cause of autoload....thx |
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| 02:12.41 | tacocat | Wyzard: LVM2 works great. I removed lvm10 and installed lvm2 all at the same time. |
| 02:12.44 | zeke | how can i disable ctrl alt bkspc killing x? |
| 02:12.58 | tacocat | Wyzard: but now XFree doesn't work under 2.6.0, so I'm back on 2.4.24 for a while yet. |
| 02:13.02 | beta3 | tacocat: lvm2 is a dropin replacement |
| 02:13.18 | beta3 | tacocat: what version of X |
| 02:13.27 | Wyzard | tacocat: nvidia? |
| 02:13.36 | tacocat | unstable |
| 02:13.38 | Justin_ | michal: google, isolinux |
| 02:13.44 | tacocat | Matrox G400 video card. |
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| 02:13.50 | tacocat | Device Driver = mga |
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| 02:14.01 | beta3 | tacocat: the latest 2.6.1 sources with -mm4 has latest drm patches |
| 02:14.02 | dondelelcaro | zeke: man XF86Config-4; read about Option "DontZap" |
| 02:14.33 | tacocat | Sounds promising. |
| 02:14.57 | tacocat | I'm finding a lot of postings about similar errors on k7 cpu |
| 02:15.13 | beta3 | tacocat: I use k7 here :) |
| 02:15.20 | michal | does anyone know if it is possible to boot grub off a cd |
| 02:15.24 | beta3 | mobile-athlon-xp even |
| 02:15.30 | tacocat | I didn't realize my slot A had a 1MB cache |
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| 02:15.51 | gustavo_ | exit |
| 02:15.52 | Wyzard | michal: Still working on that STB backup? :-) |
| 02:15.54 | beta3 | tacocat: isn't that large? |
| 02:15.59 | tacocat | huge |
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| 02:16.11 | beta3 | tacocat: my athlon-xp only has 256kb cache |
| 02:16.26 | beta3 | tacocat: thats bigger than all the intels provide |
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| 02:16.36 | dondelelcaro | beta3: nope. |
| 02:16.41 | beta3 | dondelelcaro: no? |
| 02:16.41 | tacocat | Xeon and some kind of extreme edition of P4 |
| 02:16.45 | dondelelcaro | beta3: some of them have 1M and larger cache. |
| 02:16.58 | michal | Wyzard: i'd like something i can rely on for the next time it all goes to hell :/ |
| 02:17.05 | beta3 | I was talking about the standard home cpus from intel |
| 02:17.09 | tacocat | But those are stupid expensive |
| 02:17.13 | beta3 | p4 might have 512 |
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| 02:17.31 | beta3 | dondelelcaro: does cramfs work in 2.6 |
| 02:17.35 | michal | as far as i've been able to discover over the last few years there is no way to get grub to boot off a cd.. unless something has changed and been kept secret :/ |
| 02:17.39 | tacocat | most P4 have 512. A few have 1024, but they approach one kilobuck each |
| 02:17.40 | dondelelcaro | beta3: dunno about "home cpus"... |
| 02:17.54 | beta3 | dondelelcaro: no xeons etc |
| 02:17.57 | bucky | it seems no matter what i put in my mod-ssl-01-vhost.conf file for SSLCertificateFile and SSLCertificateKeyFile apache insists on serving up my original certs from the install, is there anywhere else it is defined and therefore over-riding my config? |
| 02:18.00 | zeke | dondelelcaro: where does debian put the config file? or, if this is more appropriate, which file should i modify to change that option for the entire system? |
| 02:18.05 | beta3 | dondelelcaro: My dual opteron box is fast :) |
| 02:18.11 | ptilopteri | Hi, I use white text on black background in my terminal window and have a ~/.dir_colors file set suitable 'ls' colors for this. But when I use 'lynx' to view a Web page links are bark blue on my black terminal background. No nice. Anybody know where Lynx defines link colors? Thanks! :-) |
| 02:18.13 | beta3 | dondelelcaro: I don't know how much cache it has |
| 02:18.14 | Johnny132 | How can I get my Mac os X 10.1 to mount a directory from my debian computer. I tried to mount it but I keep getting 'operation not permitted'. |
| 02:18.16 | Wyzard | michal: For recovery, just use the Debian install CD... alt-F2 gets you a shell |
| 02:18.19 | dondelelcaro | zeke: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:18.23 | tacocat | beta3: opteron has 1024... |
| 02:18.31 | dondelelcaro | beta3: cat /proc/cpuinfo should show it. |
| 02:18.32 | beta3 | tacocat: 1mb :) |
| 02:18.37 | michal | Wyzard: it won't boot.. my hardware is incompatible with the debian kernel |
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| 02:19.09 | beta3 | dondelelcaro: it runs laps around the bob2 boxes :) |
| 02:19.13 | Wyzard | michal: hmm... well, if you have to build your own resuce disk, isolinux (in the "syslinux") package is meant for booting from CDs |
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| 02:19.48 | michal | it's a shame that kernel-package can't create rescue cd's for the kernels it builds :/ |
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| 02:20.15 | tacocat | But I still don't have X for 2.6.... 2.4 works great |
| 02:20.18 | beta3 | dondelelcaro: finally standardizing kernels for the pcs behind the lan |
| 02:20.23 | tacocat | I guess I wait for the next deb |
| 02:20.25 | Wyzard | michal: Well, if you can make a rescue floppy, one of the options for a bootable CD is to load a 1.44MB floppy image as a virtual floppy disk. |
| 02:20.44 | beta3 | dondelelcaro: since all but 1 are k7, I making all modules in, and an initrd to follow :) |
| 02:21.17 | michal | what is the kernel make target to get the floppy image? :/ |
| 02:21.27 | michal | i grepped the makefile and it doesn't seem to have anything like that |
| 02:22.09 | Justin_ | michal: google, isolinux |
| 02:22.27 | Wyzard | michal: I dunno if there is one, I'm just pointing out that if you have a boot floppy, you can make a boot CD. I'd probably just use isolinux though. |
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| 02:23.45 | michal | great.. www.isolinux.com bombarded me with popup ads :/ |
| 02:24.07 | Wyzard | michal: Just install the "syslinux" package... there should be docs included in that |
| 02:25.31 | Johnny132 | How can I get my Mac os X 10.1 to mount a directory from my debian computer? I tried to mount it but I keep getting 'operation not permitted'. |
| 02:25.45 | michal | hmm.. the bootcd package looks like maybe it could do well too |
| 02:26.09 | Justin_ | Johnny132: try bothering to mention what you did to get that message |
| 02:26.59 | Johnny132 | Justin_: I typed mount (IP ADDRESS):/home/asdasd/whatever/ ./directory |
| 02:27.10 | Wyzard | michal: I just tried out bootcd about an hour ago, actually... it makes an image of your whole system, so unless you have very little software installed (or feel like taking the time to make a HUGE list of files to exclude), it won't work |
| 02:27.42 | michal | Wyzard: i'd only need to exclude /var/cache/apt/archives and itself |
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| 02:28.09 | michal | Wyzard: and maybe /home and /usr/src to be safe |
| 02:28.24 | Justin_ | Johnny132: as root? |
| 02:29.19 | Wyzard | michal: It can automatically run "apt-get clean" to clean out /var/cache/apt/archives, but what about files in places like /usr/share and /usr/lib ? Those tend to take up a lot of space, unless you have a really small system. |
| 02:29.24 | Johnny132 | Justin_: yes |
| 02:29.26 | michal | is dom4j the best available solution for parsing xmltv files or is there something better (as in simpler or now included with java) |
| 02:29.45 | michal | Wyzard: god forbid.. i do NOT want to clean it out.. |
| 02:30.00 | ptilopteri | Hm, no answers? ... I should have Googled first. My bad. So I did and found this '/etc/lynx.cfg' and am hoping that is where I will be able to set link colors in Lynx to light blue rather than dark blue. |
| 02:30.43 | zeke | anyone know of an easy way to see what a webpage will look like in IE without using windows or vnc? |
| 02:30.58 | Ruglia | startx will only start if the depth is set to 8 bit but I know it can go higher than that...anyone have an idea of how I can change this? |
| 02:30.59 | Wyzard | michal: Why not? (It's probably mostly old versions of packages that you don't need anymore.) Anyway, you can turn that feature off. |
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| 02:31.34 | michal | 252M /usr/share and 220M /usr/lib |
| 02:31.47 | miraage | why isn't nvidia-glx in apt-cache search nvidia? |
| 02:31.59 | michal | Wyzard: why niot? because then it would take me a week to install debian if i needed to again |
| 02:32.03 | fyn | Is there a good apt source for apollon and whatever other packages are needed to access Kazaa stuffs from Sarge? |
| 02:32.07 | miraage | im on sarge |
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| 02:32.27 | Wyzard | michal: ah... are you on dialup? |
| 02:32.37 | michal | Wyzard: and there is apt-get autoclean if you don't want old versions |
| 02:32.52 | Wyzard | true |
| 02:33.12 | Wyzard | grr... neither Debian's nor Gentoo's install CD has netcat... I guess I'll have to use Fedora's |
| 02:33.16 | miraage | Anyone? |
| 02:33.32 | Justin_ | Wyzard: knoppix cd? |
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| 02:33.40 | RichiH | Wyzard: get a knoppix cd. it has about everything you will ever need on a bootable cd |
| 02:34.25 | michal | the one important thing that knoppix is missing is any easy way to recover a system so that it's bootable off it's hdd again :/ |
| 02:34.46 | Wyzard | Justin_, RichiH: hmm, that's a good idea, thanks |
| 02:34.50 | Justin_ | michal: eh? |
| 02:35.05 | RichiH | miraage: it's there. just do apt-get install nvidia-glx |
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| 02:35.12 | thoreauputic | Wyzard: netcat is easy to apt-get - I just did an apt-cache search and it's right there |
| 02:35.16 | RichiH | perhaps you need to do apt-get update in advabce |
| 02:35.16 | Wyzard | michal: Just mount the hard drive, chroot onto it, and run "lilo" or "grub-install" or whatever |
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| 02:35.30 | basho | hi |
| 02:35.31 | Wyzard | thoreauputic: I'm talking about a rescue CD |
| 02:35.33 | michal | Justin_: if i install win98se onto a spare partition then i will not be able to use a knoppix cd to make the linux bootable again |
| 02:35.41 | RichiH | michal: we call that chroot |
| 02:35.43 | Justin_ | michal: thats compltely wrong |
| 02:35.47 | thoreauputic | Wyzard: ok - sorry |
| 02:35.51 | michal | Wyzard: except after 6 hours of trying that sort of thing yesterday i concluded that it was impossible |
| 02:35.57 | basho | how can i mount a bin file or extract the data from it? mount -o loop file.bin /mnt isnt enough |
| 02:36.02 | miraage | richih: i can't. |
| 02:36.06 | bucky | it seems no matter what i put in my mod-ssl-01-vhost.conf file for SSLCertificateFile and SSLCertificateKeyFile apache insists on serving up my original certs from the install, is there anywhere else it is defined and therefore over-riding my config? |
| 02:36.08 | Wyzard | michal: ah, non-Linux... if Knoppix includes partimage (I don't know if it does) then you can back up one of those too |
| 02:36.10 | miraage | richih: it says no such package |
| 02:36.22 | RichiH | miraage: did you do apt-get update? |
| 02:36.29 | miraage | "no installation candidate" |
| 02:36.39 | bob2 | beta3: bah |
| 02:36.43 | RichiH | http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/nvidia-glx <- it is there |
| 02:36.44 | thoreauputic | Wyzard: knoppix has partimage |
| 02:36.56 | Wyzard | cool |
| 02:36.57 | miraage | im up to date against sunsite.ualberta.ca |
| 02:37.13 | miraage | richih: i know its there... but it says no installation candidate! |
| 02:37.17 | RichiH | basho: do file -s foo.bin to find out the file system |
| 02:37.22 | michal | i had partimage, parted, and many other things.. but once the system is stuffed none of them can help |
| 02:37.37 | michal | it took hours of juggling hdd's between machines to get it to be bootable again |
| 02:37.39 | beta3 | bob2: if you put all the speed of all of your boxes and all the ram, it wouldn't compare to my dual opteron |
| 02:37.51 | bob2 | bite me |
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| 02:37.55 | Wyzard | michal: true... but if you make a partimage backup beforehand, you can restore it and it'll be bootable. |
| 02:37.56 | bob2 | you have too much money |
| 02:37.56 | RichiH | miraage: then you either do not use sarge, or your sources.list is borked/incomplete |
| 02:37.58 | michal | it had to be done just the right way.. and in the right machine before it became bootable again |
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| 02:38.20 | Wyzard | michal: Just back up the MBR (for the partition table and the boot code) using dd, and the partition using partimage |
| 02:38.22 | michal | Wyzard: this is why i'm using bootcd.. it does something similar |
| 02:38.26 | miraage | richih: how can i tell whether i am using sarge or not? |
| 02:38.27 | karsten | How do I log ICMP requests/replies in iptables? |
| 02:38.59 | tester456 | i'm trying to get alsa sound working with 2.6/testing... is OSS support always required? |
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| 02:39.10 | RichiH | miraage: would you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list into #flood? |
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| 02:39.24 | bob2 | tester456: if you don't know, then "yes" |
| 02:39.40 | bob2 | karsten: send everything coming in on -p icmp to the LOG table |
| 02:40.18 | RichiH | Wyzard: might as well get a current one prior to burning |
| 02:40.25 | bob2 | you have too much bandwidth then |
| 02:40.37 | proximacnt | I'm having trouble using find with xargs; xargs keeps giving me errors about unmatched quotes, presumably because my filenames have zaney characters |
| 02:40.43 | RichiH | bob2: or not enough cdrs :) |
| 02:40.44 | proximacnt | should I just use find's -exec and be happy? |
| 02:40.59 | Wyzard | RichiH: 2003-11-03 is recent enough for my needs (just tar and netcat and/or partimage) |
| 02:41.02 | proximacnt | I see everyone using xargs and want to be cool like them |
| 02:41.03 | beta3 | bob2: you say everything is too much, whereas really you have too little |
| 02:41.09 | proximacnt | But I just don't measure up |
| 02:41.28 | Justin_ | proximacnt: read the stuff in the find and xargs about null terminated strings |
| 02:41.33 | RichiH | Wyzard: well, it's reasonably current. still, knoppix is known to change _fast_, sometimes |
| 02:41.46 | miraage | richih: don't have X... but all it says is deb ftp://sunsite.ualberta.ca/.... and deb-src ftp://sunsite.ualberta.ca/... |
| 02:41.57 | BUBBAdK | does any1 know how i install kde 3.2 on a freshly installed debian sid (havent installed either gnome or kde 3.1 and x works) |
| 02:42.14 | bob2 | proximacnt: use print0 with find and -0 with xargs |
| 02:42.15 | argonel | can you get a usage report on an unmounted filesystem? |
| 02:42.17 | beta3 | bob2: since all boxes except one are athlon-xp, just started making standardized kernels |
| 02:42.21 | RichiH | miraage: join #flood and do "/exec -o cat /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 02:42.28 | bob2 | beta3: you do NOT need a t-3. you do NOT need a opteron. |
| 02:42.31 | michal | hmm.. dammit |
| 02:42.37 | bob2 | argonel: no |
| 02:42.39 | beta3 | bob2: sure, but why not |
| 02:42.41 | michal | i've forgotten what i had to do to get my burner working.. for the THOUSANDTH friggin time |
| 02:42.45 | argonel | k, thanks |
| 02:42.46 | RichiH | BUBBAdK: kde 3.2 isn't out, yet |
| 02:42.49 | proximacnt | that's just mad-whacked |
| 02:42.51 | bob2 | BUBBAdK: /j #gentoo |
| 02:42.56 | beta3 | !pity bob2 |
| 02:42.56 | dpkg | I pity da fool bob2! |
| 02:42.58 | bob2 | BUBBAdK: kde3.2 doesn't exist |
| 02:43.08 | beta3 | bob2: sure does, check kde cvs |
| 02:43.09 | smacnay | how does one reconfigure alsa in Debian? |
| 02:43.11 | BUBBAdK | gentoo....i'm on debian sid |
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| 02:43.16 | BUBBAdK | a beta exists |
| 02:43.26 | bob2 | BUBBAdK: OMG THEN SOME1 SHOULD PACKAGE IT!!!! |
| 02:43.32 | proximacnt | smacnay: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
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| 02:43.34 | michal | is it possible to get a burner working without the ide-cd module or it being built in? |
| 02:43.36 | beta3 | smacnay: apt-get install alsa-base alsaconf |
| 02:43.39 | proximacnt | I think it's alsa-base |
| 02:43.40 | bob2 | BUBBAdK: not every random CVS snapshot in the world is packaged. |
| 02:43.58 | bob2 | BUBBAdK: if you can't find it in the #debian-kde topic, it probably doesn't exist. |
| 02:43.59 | Croepha | i am using cat header $i > $i.tmp; mv $i.tmp $i to insert a header to a file($i) but it does it twice for some reason.. why??? |
| 02:44.13 | BUBBAdK | humm...ok |
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| 02:44.32 | michal | oh shite.. hda: attached ide-cdrom driver. |
| 02:44.39 | Ro0tSiEgE | man, even sid's version of X wasn't new enough to run 5 monitors, I had to upgrade to 4.3.0 |
| 02:44.45 | michal | wtf did that come from? i was sure i didn't include it :/ |
| 02:44.47 | GomoX | michal: dont you mean ide-scsi? |
| 02:44.50 | pabl0 | ok, I have a server and I access to it via ssh, I just want to give access to two persons, what is the best: just allow ssh keys or create a list with the users that are allowed via ssh to that computer? |
| 02:45.05 | michal | GomoX: ide-scsi i think is part of my kernel |
| 02:45.09 | GomoX | michal: how could you use an ide cdrom drive without proper support for it in the kernel? |
| 02:45.10 | bob2 | Ro0tSiEgE: GOD! you should get a full refund. |
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| 02:45.11 | w0wie | when i try to apt-get install a file i get this md5Sum mismatch erorr? how can i get around it? |
| 02:45.17 | Ro0tSiEgE | bob2: lol |
| 02:45.17 | beta3 | bob2 thinks if you have enough bandwidth to download kde in under an hour, than you have way too much |
| 02:45.18 | GomoX | ide-scsi works on top of ide-cdrom |
| 02:45.23 | The_Vulture | bob2: having fun? |
| 02:45.24 | bob2 | w0wie: your mirror sucks. |
| 02:45.27 | bob2 | beta3: YES. |
| 02:45.28 | Wyzard | GomoX: No, it works instead of it |
| 02:45.29 | bob2 | The_Vulture: no |
| 02:45.29 | michal | so what was the deal here? i have to do some weird trickery like ide-scsi=hda or something at boot |
| 02:45.32 | The_Vulture | hehe |
| 02:45.42 | bob2 | michal: ffs, make it all modules. |
| 02:45.51 | beta3 | bob2: funny, I decided to not get t3, I thought its more worth my money with an apple ipod and a G5 |
| 02:46.00 | Wyzard | michal: I build both ide-scsi and ide-cd as modules, and I find that whichever is loaded first claims all the drives. No boot options needed. |
| 02:46.00 | Ro0tSiEgE | my boss wanted 5 monitors on one Linux box, so I gave it to him :) |
| 02:46.00 | bob2 | michal: you fucking around with the built in version is shitting even *me*. |
| 02:46.04 | karsten | bob2: Where's it log to? |
| 02:46.12 | bob2 | karsten: kern.log |
| 02:46.13 | Ro0tSiEgE | (for network monitoring) |
| 02:46.18 | michal | bob2: i can't.. i need ide-scsi to be built into the kernel because i think my hard disk uses it |
| 02:46.21 | w0wie | bob2: oki doki i can easily fix that |
| 02:46.23 | GomoX | Wyzard: are you sure? i think all ide-scsi does is some sort of translation scsi->ide and viceversa so that cdrecord can speak scsi to ide cdrom drives |
| 02:46.24 | karsten | bob2: tnx |
| 02:46.28 | bob2 | michal: no it doesn't. |
| 02:46.39 | Wyzard | bob2: ide-scsi is only for ATAPI devices (i.e. CD-ROM drives). It's not needed for hard drives. |
| 02:46.53 | Wyzard | oops |
| 02:46.55 | Wyzard | michal: ^^^ |
| 02:46.57 | beta3 | bob2: I can still download kde in under 5 minutes on cable |
| 02:46.58 | GomoX | Wyzard: e.g to set DMA on on a SCSI emulated cdrom drive, you still have to use "hdparm /dev/hdX" |
| 02:47.00 | bob2 | michal: unless you have sata. in which case yuo're using 2.6. and shouldn't be using ide-scsi at all |
| 02:47.20 | michal | bob2: i am using sata with 2.4.24 |
| 02:47.27 | bob2 | beta3: piss off. |
| 02:47.32 | GomoX | michal: we r0x0r |
| 02:47.34 | miraage | umm |
| 02:47.49 | Wyzard | GomoX: ide-cd and ide-scsi are mutually exclusive. Only one of them can be attached to a given drive at a time. |
| 02:47.53 | GomoX | michal: are you using the libata patch? is it available already for 2.4.24? im still on 2.4.23 |
| 02:48.00 | toasty | beta3: what is your download speed? |
| 02:48.10 | beta3 | toasty: 450kbytes a second |
| 02:48.12 | beta3 | about that |
| 02:48.26 | michal | GomoX: i am using the 2.4.24-pre2 patch (don't know if there is anything newer).. but it applied cleanly and works fine |
| 02:48.49 | michal | 2.4.24-pre2-libata1.patch.bz2 |
| 02:48.57 | GomoX | michal: oh |
| 02:48.58 | GomoX | ill stick to 2.4.23 until theres an official one or until debian's lm-sensors package works in 2.6 |
| 02:48.59 | toasty | beta3: nice, I'll have to check what mine is |
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| 02:49.29 | michal | i'm holding off on 2.6.x because my usb ir transceiver is not yet supported :/ |
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| 02:49.53 | zakame | hello |
| 02:49.57 | GomoX | i have an IR receiver that plugs into my videocard |
| 02:49.57 | GomoX | dont have a clue on how to make it work |
| 02:49.59 | zakame | wazup here? |
| 02:50.02 | miraage | is there any good reason for nvidia-glx not to show up in my package list? |
| 02:50.10 | michal | GomoX: videocard? |
| 02:50.31 | GomoX | yes, a geforce fx |
| 02:50.31 | GomoX | it came with a remote controller, 11 cds and the kitchen sink |
| 02:50.32 | kreg | anyone know if there is the picture support for the MSN plugin in Gaim? |
| 02:50.36 | karsten | bob2: So I've got: iptables -A INPUT -i ppp0 -p ICMP -j LOG |
| 02:50.41 | Wyzard | miraage: If you're running unstable or testing, it definitely ought to be there. I don't know about stable. |
| 02:50.49 | zakame | miraage : did you compile nvidia-glx? |
| 02:50.52 | beta3 | bob2: since the build system for 2.6 is not as fragile as previous kernels, Im going to submit a wishlist bug on kernel-package with an option like --noclean so it doesn't clean the source tree after everybuild |
| 02:51.00 | karsten | ...and I'm running mtr. |
| 02:51.10 | karsten | ...but there's no incoming logging on kern.log |
| 02:51.10 | michal | things being what they are.. is the solution ide-scsi=hda as a kernel paramater? |
| 02:51.28 | bob2 | beta3: use ccache |
| 02:51.34 | GomoX | michal: more like "hda=ide-scsi" |
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| 02:51.51 | RichiH | miraage: look, i just explained it to you in #flood. no use asking in here again unless you do what i told you to do, first |
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| 02:52.02 | bob2 | karsten: are any packets hitting that rulae at all? |
| 02:52.03 | zakame | I've read the benchmarks on linux, 2.6 rocks |
| 02:52.25 | GomoX | zakame: yeah its beats the crap out of freebsd |
| 02:52.25 | GomoX | i just hope they are true :) |
| 02:52.26 | michal | i'll give it a go.. bbs |
| 02:52.42 | miraage | wyzard: im on sarge... |
| 02:52.51 | miraage | zakame: i didn't. its not in my package list |
| 02:52.52 | bob2 | karsten: ie: "iptables -L -v -n" is the packet counter rising? |
| 02:52.54 | zakame | GomoX : they probably are... |
| 02:52.59 | smacnay | I am using the 2.6.1 kernel built on the 2.6.0 .config (make oldconfig) and am seeing some boot errors regarding alsa not finding my sound card. |
| 02:53.18 | beta3 | bob2: ccache is ok, but I prefer for just certain modules, that I just build those certain modules without a complete rebuil |
| 02:53.22 | zakame | miraage: then loook for nvidia-glx-src |
| 02:53.47 | Wyzard | miraage: It used to be that nvidia-glx had to be built from nvidia-glx-src. In unstable that's no longer true (nvidia-glx can be installed directly) but maybe things still work that way in sarge. |
| 02:53.47 | smacnay | This said, it seems that sound drivers are being loaded and sound is working... but there are far fewer modules loaded now than were loaded under 2.6.0 |
| 02:54.08 | bob2 | beta3: why dno't you use ccache as your default C compiler? |
| 02:54.08 | GomoX | miraage: you dont need to build nvidia-glx |
| 02:54.09 | GomoX | it is available although it depends on nvidia-kernel having the same version, which is probably why you cant install it |
| 02:54.16 | karsten | bob2: That's what I'm trying to determine. |
| 02:54.18 | GomoX | miraage: or maybe your mirror sucks |
| 02:54.24 | karsten | bob2: Either my inbound or outbound ICMP is being blocked. |
| 02:54.25 | miraage | zakame: apt-cache search nvidia only shows nvidia-kernel-common (out of the nvidia-* packages) |
| 02:54.33 | miraage | gomox: i've tried two. |
| 02:54.43 | GomoX | miraage: you need nonfree sources d00d |
| 02:54.46 | zakame | miraage : that's weird... |
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| 02:54.52 | RichiH | http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html <- it has been there since at least 2003-8-26. also: <miraage> #deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US |
| 02:54.57 | michal | viola.. 0,0,0 0) 'SAMSUNG ' 'CDRW/DVD SM-332B' 'T406' Removable CD-ROM |
| 02:55.10 | karsten | bob2: Might help if I could ping a system which could determine if my requests are being received or not. |
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| 02:55.21 | karsten | Anyone here care to give me an IP to ping? |
| 02:55.34 | bob2 | karsten: 216.17.101.98 |
| 02:55.35 | karsten | ...you should be able to monitor traffic, tell me what you see. |
| 02:55.37 | zakame | karsten : 127.0.0.1 ;D |
| 02:55.46 | karsten | zakame: That one works ;-) |
| 02:55.49 | bob2 | oh, I can't monitor, nevermind |
| 02:55.50 | RichiH | karsten: nsa.gov |
| 02:56.08 | RichiH | they will be able to monitor lots of stuff ;) |
| 02:56.08 | miraage | richih: also? |
| 02:56.20 | miraage | gomox: hmm.. that might be it |
| 02:56.38 | karsten | bob2: running. |
| 02:56.48 | GomoX | Package: nvidia-glx |
| 02:56.49 | karsten | RichiH: No Such Address ;-) |
| 02:56.49 | GomoX | Priority: optional |
| 02:56.49 | GomoX | Section: non-free/x11 |
| 02:56.52 | karsten | bob2: Rats. |
| 02:57.02 | RichiH | GomoX, miraage: non-free. DOH! |
| 02:57.20 | GomoX | i guess vrms will be angry at you if you install it |
| 02:57.28 | RichiH | karsten: that just means they are already on their way to kill you |
| 02:57.42 | michal | Wyzard: really i could exclude ALL but /boot couldn't I ? :P |
| 02:57.51 | karsten | RichiH: I'm already dead -- I'm a zombie process. |
| 02:57.53 | miraage | yeah, that solved it... thanks :) |
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| 02:58.25 | GomoX | miraage: anyway you shouldnt be able to install nvidia-glx if you havent build nvidia-kernel-source first |
| 02:58.40 | miraage | gomox: ok. |
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| 02:58.52 | miraage | also, im apparently doing something wrong in my lilo.conf |
| 02:59.03 | miraage | i get a kernel panic: unable to mount root fs |
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| 02:59.50 | miraage | would having ext2/ext3 drivers compiled as modules in my kernel cause that? |
| 03:00.12 | GomoX | miraage: yes |
| 03:00.20 | Archer | hello |
| 03:00.24 | bob2 | yes, duh |
| 03:00.29 | GomoX | i try to avoid modules at all cost |
| 03:00.33 | bob2 | how can the kernel mount a disk if the drivers are ON THAT DISK? |
| 03:00.41 | karsten | What's /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all ? |
| 03:00.47 | bob2 | use modules for everything aside ffrom your root FS driver |
| 03:00.55 | GomoX | karsten: well its pretty self explanatory |
| 03:01.10 | karsten | GomoX: So it would seem. There are two settings. Got a ref on it? |
| 03:01.13 | RichiH | and HID stuff |
| 03:01.18 | GomoX | echo 1 into that and your kernel will not respond ICMP echo requests |
| 03:01.20 | aw | i need to boot an alpha from the network, to install debian, do i need both bootp and tftp or will tftp sufice? |
| 03:01.20 | karsten | exit |
| 03:01.31 | karsten | IINMCL |
| 03:01.37 | miraage | gomox: ok, hopefully im set then |
| 03:01.46 | michal | bob2: why would anyone use all modules when their hardware never changes? |
| 03:02.03 | bob2 | michal: to avoid fucking around with ide-scsi for three days? |
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| 03:02.25 | GomoX | why would you i modules at all? |
| 03:02.26 | GomoX | anyway ill have to recompile when i get some new hardware |
| 03:02.32 | michal | bob2: wtf are you talking about? it took all of 3 minutes |
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| 03:03.06 | Wyzard | michal: If you set up the modules to be loaded at boot time (via /etc/modules or /etc/modutils/aliases) then it's effectively the same as having them compiled in, except that you can unload and reload them, which is useful sometimes (i.e. for troubleshooting) |
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| 03:03.52 | beta3 | bob2: ok, idea was scratched |
| 03:03.54 | michal | Wyzard: it's adds to the complexity when things are compiled as modules |
| 03:03.56 | GomoX | yeah except "checking module dependencies" makes your startup time longer thus leading to irritating "winxp boots faster" comments from your pals |
| 03:03.59 | beta3 | cramfs is borked everywhere |
| 03:04.02 | Wyzard | michal: Or when you want to make mutually-exclusive alternatives both available (for example, I can switch between ide-cd and ide-scsi without having to reboot) |
| 03:04.13 | Justin_ | GomoX: you can turn that off after the first time |
| 03:04.29 | michal | Wyzard: i only want to be able to write to cd's :P no other option interests me |
| 03:04.32 | Wyzard | michal: and between usbmouse (boot protocol) and mousedev (HID) |
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| 03:04.50 | GomoX | Justin_: oh |
| 03:04.53 | michal | Wyzard: only full HID interests me. so again.. useless |
| 03:05.22 | GomoX | i have 1.2% nonfree packages |
| 03:05.26 | michal | i only use modules if i have to.. or because it's the only way to reload firmware into some device and fully reset it |
| 03:05.38 | Wyzard | michal: So you don't gain much by using modules, but you don't lose anything either. Just load the module at boot time and pretend it's built-in from then on. |
| 03:05.49 | fooz | what's a good sockets policy for shell users? everything but raw sockets good? or should I limit it more? |
| 03:05.57 | alobodig | Hmm, this is bad, right? orange:~# ls /usr/include/aio.h, ls: /usr/include/aio.h: Input/output error |
| 03:06.06 | michal | Wyzard: you lose a working system if your hdd becomes corrupted and you cannot load the modules.. |
| 03:06.10 | fooz | alobodig, yes. check dmesg |
| 03:06.17 | fooz | alobodig, see if you're getting fs errors |
| 03:06.22 | Wyzard | michal: I like to have the option of unloading a driver, even if 99% of the time I don't need to do so |
| 03:06.30 | alobodig | dmesg doesn't report anything ususal |
| 03:06.44 | bob2 | alobodig: nothing at ALL? |
| 03:06.45 | Wyzard | michal: You lose a working sytem if your hard drive becomes corrupted, period. Modules are the least of your worries if you have filesystem damage. |
| 03:07.02 | michal | Wyzard: well in my case if i do not need something 100% of the time and it adds complexity to have it, then i'd rather do without |
| 03:07.08 | alobodig | bob2: Nothing at all. The last thing in it is "EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19, 19 August 2002 on sd(8,22), internal journal" |
| 03:07.08 | fooz | alobodig, did you recently try out selinux? |
| 03:07.19 | alobodig | selinux? no. |
| 03:07.26 | fooz | well, i'm out of ideas then :) sorry |
| 03:07.32 | bob2 | alobodig: when you run "dmesg" orwhen you look at /var/log/dmesg? |
| 03:07.41 | alobodig | When I run dmesg. |
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| 03:07.49 | Wyzard | michal: I don't see where there's a non-trivial amount of added complexity. |
| 03:08.09 | alobodig | This happened during an apt-get dist-upgrade, so I'm afraid to reboot the system in this state. |
| 03:08.20 | michal | Wyzard: rubbish.. modules are the biggest problem. they prevent you from fuixing the system easily.. say your network module is unloadable.. and so is the ide-scsi module.. then you can't copy anything over the network or write anything to cd.. say your fifesystem is not writable so you can't rebuild.. this is exactly what i had happen to me a couple of days ago |
| 03:08.24 | Wyzard | michal: I also compile modules for things that I rarely need (usb-storage and HFS, for example) and only load them when I need them. |
| 03:08.49 | fooz | michal, that's never, ever happened to me |
| 03:08.55 | Wyzard | michal: If you have filesystem damage so bad that you can't access those two files, you should be booting from a recovery CD anyway. |
| 03:09.00 | fooz | michal, if your modules can get hosed, your kernel's much more likely to get hosed.. it's a bigger file. |
| 03:09.17 | Archer | hello, how could i install trupal in Debian? |
| 03:09.37 | michal | fooz: well it didn't. but the bootblock did. |
| 03:09.48 | bob2 | Archer: do you mean drupal? |
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| 03:10.15 | bob2 | alobodig: crazy...i/o errors almost always mean physical disk problems, which the kernel should scream about. how about /var/log/kern.log? |
| 03:10.40 | Archer | bob2:yes, i typed wrong word! |
| 03:10.57 | alobodig | Nope, still nothing unusual. |
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| 03:11.31 | alobodig | There are some bad entries in /usr/include: -rw-r--r-- 1 2175008768 root 8.0E Sep 18 2002 ustat.h |
| 03:11.38 | bob2 | Archer: how do you normally install packages in Debian? |
| 03:11.51 | chillywilly | do they versions of cdrecord and cdrdao that are in debian unstable support native ATAPI burning w/ kernel 2.6? |
| 03:12.00 | chillywilly | they look old to me |
| 03:12.17 | karsten | Anyone have a system they can monitor that I can ping? |
| 03:12.19 | Archer | bob2:i installed it, but i can't config it well,specially in database. |
| 03:12.27 | Wyzard | chillywilly: cdrecord does (I'm using it via ATAPI right now, though not in 2.6)... I haven't tried cdrdao |
| 03:13.02 | chillywilly | Wyzard: ok, well I was trying to burna vcd w/ cdrecord like so: cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -dao -v file.cue |
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| 03:13.16 | Wyzard | chillywilly: should work |
| 03:13.22 | ljlane | chillywilly, both do, and without that silly ATAPI:x,x,x stuff |
| 03:13.26 | chillywilly | it errored on me :( |
| 03:13.30 | bob2 | Archer: oh, so you didn't read the manual? |
| 03:13.34 | Wyzard | chillywilly: Well, what was the error message? |
| 03:13.48 | chillywilly | nothing that made any sense |
| 03:13.52 | ljlane | dev=/dev/hda |
| 03:13.59 | chillywilly | I am going to attempt it again |
| 03:14.12 | Wyzard | ljlane: When you do that it tells you that that syntax is discouraged |
| 03:14.26 | ljlane | Wyzard, yes, it does |
| 03:14.39 | michal | my ir transceiver driver gives me the shits.. ir requires that i replace the current ftd_sio.c|h files with an ancient 1.2.1 version |
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| 03:14.53 | Scognito | notte |
| 03:15.00 | Archer | bob2: i was installing it by manual, the pkgconf seems wrong |
| 03:16.09 | beta3 | bob2: I wish gcc was faster |
| 03:16.18 | bob2 | Archer: the Debian packages work fine, read the README. |
| 03:16.32 | bob2 | beta3: oh, no, it takes a whole ten minutes ot build a kernel? |
| 03:16.40 | Archer | bob2:how can i get it? |
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| 03:17.06 | beta3 | bob2: no only 2.3 minutes |
| 03:17.17 | beta3 | bob2: dual opteron is fast |
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| 03:17.48 | bob2 | fuck off |
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| 03:18.13 | GomoX | well everything works fine after 350 MB upgrade |
| 03:18.13 | GomoX | apt-listbugs is really useful |
| 03:18.17 | abisen | what is the name of the bot here and how do i use it |
| 03:18.26 | GomoX | whats exactly the utility of the xprint package? |
| 03:18.45 | GomoX | abisen: the bot is called apt |
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| 03:19.16 | abisen | GomoX, and how do i ask questions to apt |
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| 03:19.28 | beta3 | bob2: pay for shipping Ill send you my extra athlon xp 1800+ |
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| 03:19.51 | GomoX | abisen: just "/msg apt <thing you want to know about>" |
| 03:19.52 | GomoX | you can also try "/msg apt listkeys <thing you want to search for>" |
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| 03:22.23 | bob2 | !+topic-diff is http://www.redellipse.net/scripts/topic-diff.pl |
| 03:22.23 | dpkg | bob2: okay |
| 03:23.25 | chillywilly | Wyzard: , ljlane : I am trying this: cdrdao write --device ATAPI:0,0,0 --simulate --driver generic-mmc file.cue....everytime I burn it seems to hang forever un Flushing the cache... BAH |
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| 03:23.54 | chillywilly | on |
| 03:23.54 | michal | GomoX: apt-listchanges is good too |
| 03:24.00 | bob2 | you're using it wrong |
| 03:24.04 | bob2 | 14:13:22 ljlane | chillywilly, both do, and without that silly ATAPI:x,x,x stuff |
| 03:24.15 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.21 | michal | it sucks that people.debian.org/~tausq/newpackages.html no longer exists :( |
| 03:24.22 | chillywilly | well it wouldn't do it |
| 03:24.32 | Wyzard | GomoX: If you're talking about the "xprt" package, I haven't used it, but it looks like it provides a printing API |
| 03:24.36 | chillywilly | hmmm |
| 03:24.56 | Wyzard | GomoX: CUPS, LPR, etc. will send data to a printer, but first you have to produce something the printer will understand (PostScript, PCL, etc.) |
| 03:25.21 | beta3 | Wyzard: I think pdfs are understood now too :) |
| 03:25.43 | ljlane | chillywilly, here's the last command line I used: root@absolom:/home/ljlane/music/burned# cdrdao write --device /dev/hda --driver generic-mmc cd9743.toc |
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| 03:26.15 | beta3 | bob2: nothing mroe grueling than cutting and filing dogs nails |
| 03:26.15 | Wyzard | GomoX: Many applications contain code for producing PostScript, but rather than rewriting that in every app, it helps to have an API that lets you call drawing commands and produces the printable output for you. |
| 03:26.45 | Justin_ | xprt=wysiwyg for printing |
| 03:26.46 | chillywilly | ljlane: ok, well it is hung forever now...blah, I'll try that when I get a chance here |
| 03:26.49 | perb | anyone got a "following signatures couldn't be verified..." when doing apt-get from unstable? |
| 03:26.50 | Wyzard | beta3: Printers don't understand PDF files... you can set up print filters that will automatically convert a PDF into something the printer will understand, such as PostScript or PCL. |
| 03:27.08 | beta3 | Wyzard: No, I was saying cups directly supports pdf |
| 03:27.19 | arydon | w3m |
| 03:27.23 | arydon | Oops |
| 03:27.31 | ljlane | perb, many people who inadvertantly installed apt from experimental while going for X from experimental |
| 03:28.03 | GomoX | Wyzard: oh |
| 03:28.03 | GomoX | what i dont get is why on earth does x-window-system rely on it |
| 03:28.03 | GomoX | same with xfs |
| 03:28.03 | GomoX | they are not very essential IMHO |
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| 03:28.05 | beta3 | ljlane: umm let me remember the shortcut to only download x11 |
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| 03:28.11 | chillywilly | cannot kill the process |
| 03:28.20 | chillywilly | bah |
| 03:28.30 | Justin_ | chillywilly: your burner sucks like mine, just wait |
| 03:28.32 | beta3 | ljlane: main/x11 or something like that |
| 03:28.34 | Wyzard | beta3: CUPS "supports" a lot of formats, by having a collection of filters that can be used to reduce them to printable formats. |
| 03:28.34 | perb | ljlane: oh.. well I guess that's good news. do you know how I can fix it? |
| 03:28.39 | Justin_ | eventually it will give up |
| 03:28.50 | ljlane | perb: beta3 might know |
| 03:29.23 | ljlane | s/eventually/when I yanked the cover and pulled the power cord/ |
| 03:29.27 | ljlane | :) |
| 03:29.30 | perb | beta3: do you know how to fix the experimental apt public key problem? |
| 03:29.37 | beta3 | perb: yeah hold on |
| 03:29.49 | beta3 | perb: do you have aptitude instaleld |
| 03:30.04 | perb | beta3: yes |
| 03:30.17 | houdinix | hi all, |
| 03:30.27 | beta3 | perb: aptitude install apt=0.5.21 |
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| 03:30.49 | ljlane | that's nifty |
| 03:30.53 | perb | beta3: ok let me try that |
| 03:31.03 | houdinix | I've got a problem with bluefish in testing, I don't have all the icons in the shortcut bar |
| 03:31.10 | beta3 | perb: aptitude install apt{,-utils}=0.5.21 |
| 03:31.24 | houdinix | sorry not testing it's a unstable :) |
| 03:31.28 | perb | beta3: oh crap, my bad i only have the config files for aptitude |
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| 03:31.32 | beta3 | ljlane: aptitude install apt/unstable also works |
| 03:31.40 | beta3 | perb: umm |
| 03:31.49 | ljlane | beta3, hrmm... nice |
| 03:31.50 | beta3 | ljlane: same applys for regular apt-get |
| 03:32.03 | offby1 | I have lpr-ppd on Woody. I did `lpr foo.dvi', and instead of printing, I got email saying that it doesn't know how to handle .dvi files. Yet I have dvips and dvipdfm. What do I need to install? |
| 03:32.06 | beta3 | perb: let me see |
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| 03:32.35 | beta3 | perb: try this, apt-get install apt{,-utils}/unstable |
| 03:32.49 | beta3 | perb: there has to be a way to force through the errors |
| 03:32.53 | offby1 | d'oh! I'm not using Woody; I'm using testing. |
| 03:33.57 | mwilson | offby1: Is lpr-ppd supposed to be able to do what you're asking it to do? |
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| 03:34.19 | beta3 | ljlane: which factoid is the one for experimental, inplace of main it should be main/x/xfree86/ |
| 03:34.25 | perb | beta3: awesome, that worked. thank you very much. |
| 03:34.33 | beta3 | perb: fix your experimental lines |
| 03:34.42 | ljlane | Justin_, just found the magic incantation for a box of 75 CD-Rs, limit the speed to 20. That's half the rated speed, but I have 13 coasters on the floor that pretty much prove it doesn't work. |
| 03:34.43 | Octalthorpe | How can I find out what DPI fonts X is currently using? |
| 03:34.46 | beta3 | perb: s#main#main/x/xfree86# |
| 03:34.52 | offby1 | mwilson: I assume so, but I'm not sure. It's got a lot of scripts in /usr/lib/printfilters that handle other types of files, so it seems reasonable to expect that a DVI filter exists. I assume that I need to install some package or other, but I can't figure out which. |
| 03:34.54 | perb | beta3: ok |
| 03:35.06 | ljlane | Octalthorpe, xdpyinfo |
| 03:35.13 | beta3 | perb: I think thats correct |
| 03:35.14 | Justin_ | ljlane: heh, i only have a 4x burner :-) |
| 03:35.20 | offby1 | mwilson: in fact the README says something like "if you want to print DVI files, install the relevant RPM" :) |
| 03:35.22 | JimButton | Octalthorpe: xdpyinfo |
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| 03:36.16 | mwilson | offby1: In other words, you have no idea. |
| 03:36.40 | mwilson | offby1: You could just say so. |
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| 03:36.43 | offby1 | mwilson: I wouldn't say that at all -- I have a very clear idea. Do you think you can help? |
| 03:36.53 | Octalthorpe | What line in that output tells me? |
| 03:37.05 | Wyzard | offby1: Never tell mwilson you have no idea -- he'll bite your head off :-) |
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| 03:37.29 | chillywilly | la ala al ala |
| 03:37.31 | beta3 | perb: I probably just screwed that up, Im trying to fix it |
| 03:37.56 | perb | beta3: yea... it can't find the url |
| 03:38.13 | mwilson | Amazing what it says in its description... "if you install magicfilter or apsfilter (along with ghostscript), lpr will be able to automatically handle special file types..." |
| 03:38.17 | Wyzard | offby1: I'd just run dvips manually and print the resulting .ps file |
| 03:38.26 | mwilson | If you actually bother to read it, of course. |
| 03:38.30 | offby1 | Wyzard: I've been doing that, but I was hoping for something more convenient. |
| 03:38.41 | beta3 | perb: I swore there was a way to do this |
| 03:38.48 | mwilson | So it doesn't do any sort of special filtering, you install magicfilter or apsfilter and use that. |
| 03:38.58 | offby1 | mwilson: which file are you reading? |
| 03:39.06 | Wyzard | offby1: You might want to look into CUPS... it's all-around nicer than LPR, and has a better mechanism for converting input files into printable format. |
| 03:39.34 | offby1 | Wyzard: frankly I'm afraid to switch printing systems -- getting this one working as well as it does was hard enough |
| 03:39.40 | mwilson | offby1: Also amazing how it doesn't ship a single thing in /usr/lib, as well. |
| 03:39.56 | Wyzard | offby1: LPR is old and ugly. CUPS is worth it. What kind of printer are you using, btw? |
| 03:40.09 | lamer0_ | cups is great |
| 03:40.23 | offby1 | mwilson: I don't understand that comment at all. `dlocate /usr/lib/printfilters/ps-to-printer.fpi' yields `printfilters-ppd: /usr/lib/printfilters/ps-to-printer.fpi'. Are we talking about the same thing? |
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| 03:41.31 | mwilson | Yes, *printfilters-ppd* ships that file. lpr-ppd doesn't have anything stronger than a Suggests relationship to that package. |
| 03:41.45 | offby1 | Wyzard: an HP Deskjet 720C (no flames please, it's what I have), connected to a Windoze machine. I'm proud that I got it to print at all. |
| 03:42.25 | offby1 | mwilson: OK, I mentioned the wrong package name in my original message. But the problem persists: I don't know which package to install. Unless the answer is simply `magicfilter or apsfilter'. |
| 03:42.45 | offby1 | (although it's odd that lpr-ppd suggests neither of those ) |
| 03:42.47 | mwilson | offby1: You don't "just install" anything. |
| 03:42.55 | offby1 | mwilson: what do you mean by that? |
| 03:43.02 | chillywilly | crap |
| 03:43.06 | Octalthorpe | XFree86-BigfontOkay.. So how do I go about changing the dpi X uses? Running at 1600x1200, fonts are pretty small, nigh-unreadable (but not quite). |
| 03:43.10 | Justin_ | offby1: cups takes about 30 seconds to setup to print to a windows printer, how long did it take you go get lpr-ppd to "work"? |
| 03:43.26 | mwilson | offby1: lpr-ppd doesn't make use of either one unless you configure it to do so. |
| 03:43.29 | RichiH | hah! |
| 03:43.43 | bob2 | Octalthorpe: you can't. do you know what the dpi is? |
| 03:43.51 | offby1 | Justin_: actually `printtool' made it remarkably easy, once I remembered the proper password :) |
| 03:43.55 | perb | beta3: i searched a bit on the web, and I can't find a way to do what you suggested... no big deal. at least apt is now sane. thank you |
| 03:43.59 | bob2 | Octalthorpe: change your font sizes. |
| 03:43.59 | Octalthorpe | bob2 : Yeah.. But I might have misphrased what I want. |
| 03:44.01 | RichiH | after some googling, i finally know how vinyl players are able to play stereo with only one track :) |
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| 03:44.03 | beta3 | perb: np |
| 03:44.15 | offby1 | mwilson: whether I configured it that way or not, it's clearly using printfilters-ppd. |
| 03:44.33 | Octalthorpe | bob2 : Is there any simple way to change all fonts by a given amount? |
| 03:44.33 | mwilson | offby1: Oh? Why is it "clearly" using it? |
| 03:44.34 | kawfee | bob2: |
| 03:44.37 | kawfee | bob2: hi |
| 03:44.45 | offby1 | mwilson: you've got me there. Another assumption. |
| 03:44.59 | mwilson | Then it's not very "clear", is it? |
| 03:45.10 | alobodig | RichiH: Got a URL? |
| 03:45.16 | zeeble | Octalthorpe http://www.tldp.org Font Deuglification Howto |
| 03:45.19 | RichiH | alobodig: a german one |
| 03:45.30 | offby1 | well, I never said the situation was clear. I said I had a clear idea of what I needed help with. |
| 03:45.58 | alobodig | Dang. |
| 03:45.58 | mwilson | printfilters-ppd is a companion package to ppdfilt |
| 03:46.03 | offby1 | mwilson: here's why I think printfilters-ppd is involved: /etc/printcap says `:if=/usr/lib/printfilters/master-filter:\', and that file is owned (according to dlocate) by printfilters-ppd. |
| 03:46.44 | offby1 | well, I'll struggle with this on my own -- I don't think mwilson is helpful enough to warrant his rudeness. |
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| 03:46.47 | RichiH | alobodig: basically, if you stand in the track and look forward, you see a X. one direction is left, the other part of the X is right channel. don't ask me how they are able to get two discrete channles from that mechanically, though :) |
| 03:46.57 | mwilson | offby1: <shrug> printtool created /etc/printcap for you, it could have put anything in there it liked. lpr-ppd does not write ANY printcap file by default... it does not even ship one. |
| 03:47.08 | RichiH | this does also explain why stereo disks will work with mono players and vice versa |
| 03:47.25 | mwilson | Awww... he doesn't want to have to actually think. Isn't that sweet. |
| 03:47.53 | mwilson | Just install random packages. |
| 03:48.15 | alobodig | RichiH: Heh, I see. |
| 03:48.31 | JimButton | mwilson: he just doesn't want to be treated rude |
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| 03:48.39 | RichiH | alobodig: very neat, if you ask me :) |
| 03:48.43 | FroZbyte | guys how do i set the mouse? |
| 03:48.47 | FroZbyte | i've installed it |
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| 03:48.52 | FroZbyte | an selected the wrong mouse |
| 03:49.08 | mwilson | JimButton: Darn, I should have remembered to not point out his mistaken assumptions. |
| 03:49.12 | alobodig | RichiH: Yep. I wouldn't have thought of it.. |
| 03:49.24 | mwilson | JimButton: Much better to let him go on believing he had a clue. |
| 03:49.42 | RichiH | alobodig: a friend of mine asked me how they do that, yesterday. i ust could not get it off my mind, since then |
| 03:49.57 | RichiH | i couldn't come up with a solution, either |
| 03:50.06 | JimButton | mwilson: you know, i am teaching at a university, there are lots of students with varying degrees of cluelessness, there is no need to treat them like that, and neither is there on IRC |
| 03:50.20 | JimButton | mwilson: but it is your call, of course |
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| 03:50.30 | alobodig | RichiH: Yeah, when I saw you mention it in the channel, I couldn't let it go without asking. |
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| 03:50.34 | zeeble | FroZbyte change mouse settings for what, the X configuration? or even for console? |
| 03:51.05 | RichiH | alobodig: hehe :) |
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| 03:51.07 | mwilson | JimButton: You must not teach in the US. I don't know how you'd deal with the stupidity that comes out of the US primary and secondary school system otherwise. |
| 03:51.13 | FroZbyte | yes |
| 03:51.16 | FroZbyte | for the xwindows |
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| 03:51.32 | zeke | i've got an error while mounting an ext3 partition. anyone want to take a look in #flood and checkit out? |
| 03:51.36 | JimButton | mwilson: right now i am teaching at the university of michigan, yes, but i have been teaching in germany before |
| 03:51.42 | zeke | tell me when to paste it if you will help. |
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| 03:51.52 | RichiH | zeke: paste away |
| 03:52.09 | FroZbyte | i have a wheelmouse and thinking that module was it, i selected the netscrool module |
| 03:52.12 | zeeble | FroZbyte edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and change the settings for the mouse |
| 03:52.13 | FroZbyte | instead of just the ps2 |
| 03:52.16 | FroZbyte | so i wose hoping |
| 03:52.22 | Ra1stlin | guten morgen JimButton |
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| 03:52.34 | FroZbyte | is there a gui way of doing that? |
| 03:52.47 | zeeble | FroZbyte dont think so |
| 03:52.47 | FroZbyte | kontrol center? |
| 03:52.55 | mwilson | FroZbyte: Why would there need to be? |
| 03:52.57 | spuer | hi...is there any package of dotgnu for Debian? |
| 03:52.57 | FroZbyte | perpherals? |
| 03:53.00 | JimButton | mwilson: however, we have lots of foreign students here, usually they have a better high school education :) |
| 03:53.11 | mwilson | JimButton: You mean they actually have one. |
| 03:53.15 | Caimlas | does anyone here know how to remove 'essential' packages? I've tried dpkg --purge --force-remove-essential <packagename> but it keeps farting out the reply that it can't be removed, and is essential. (I'm stripping the distro for a livecd) |
| 03:53.16 | JimButton | heh, yes :) |
| 03:53.41 | mwilson | A US high-school graduate is an unreasoning being. |
| 03:53.46 | Justin_ | Caimlas: so delete it manually |
| 03:53.54 | rdancer | hi all. What package does contain xli? |
| 03:54.15 | zeeble | mwilson how many years has it been since you were a US high-school grad? |
| 03:54.22 | Justin_ | !tell rdancer about search |
| 03:54.45 | mwilson | zeeble: I graduated from high school in 1982. |
| 03:55.03 | zeeble | mwilson wow. |
| 03:55.12 | JimButton | heh, older than me |
| 03:55.23 | zeeble | i was'nt born then. |
| 03:55.25 | arauko | what is the command to configure the time (UTC) and the keyboard? |
| 03:55.28 | knoppix | thats not old |
| 03:55.48 | JimButton | i finished high school in 87 |
| 03:55.59 | zeeble | arauko check out tzconfig, or man date. |
| 03:56.11 | arauko | zeeble, and what ablut keyboard? |
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| 03:56.20 | Caimlas | Justin_: yeah, that's really fucking bright. I've got every intention of breaking the dpkg depository and leaving a bunch of stray files behind. |
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| 03:57.18 | arauko | what is the command to configure the console keyboard? |
| 03:57.18 | Caimlas | mwilson: hrm, well, I deduce reasonably well, and I was born the month you graduated. |
| 03:57.37 | Justin_ | Caimlas: yeah, that dpkg repository is oh so important for a livecd |
| 03:57.39 | rdancer | Justin_: thanks; installing apt-file... |
| 03:57.41 | JimButton | i heard terrifying stories about the level of students at less selective universities |
| 03:57.50 | beta3 | bob2: looks like radvd is doing router ads for ipv6 since the client machiens got ips, now why aren't the ping packets getting through my box, do I have to do some iptables work for it to work? |
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| 03:57.58 | mwilson | Caimlas: There are always exceptions. But the rule is morons who can't even understand cause and effect. |
| 03:58.02 | Caimlas | Justin_: when you want to install from the livecd's repository, it is. |
| 03:58.14 | Justin_ | Caimlas: then why are you removing essential packages |
| 03:58.16 | MadNachos | anyone get the ATI drivers working on debian? I converted the fglrx rpm with alien, installed it, the compiled the modules. fglrx loads with insmod, but when I try to start X it complains that it cant locat the fglrx module. |
| 03:58.20 | Caimlas | Justin_: don't make judgement calls until you know something about what you're talking about. |
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| 03:58.21 | zeeble | Caimlas so it is to be another "knoppix"? |
| 03:58.35 | JimButton | a friend of mine is teaching at the university of north texas in denton, they have classes where they teach their students arithmetic with fractions |
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| 03:59.04 | zeeble | JimButton in what major? science/related or other streams? |
| 03:59.10 | arauko | what is the command to configure the console keyboard? |
| 03:59.21 | arauko | i mean, the type of the keyboard |
| 03:59.22 | JimButton | zeeble: yes, science or engineering or such |
| 03:59.24 | Caimlas | zeeble: to hell with that: no. I'm actually making the base for several different 'livecd's for my own use/distribution. |
| 03:59.28 | Caimlas | mwilson: sadly, yes. |
| 03:59.33 | Justin_ | Caimlas: maybe you shouldn't ask questions if you can't handle the answers? |
| 03:59.34 | Caelum | arauko: see /etc/init.d/console-tools and such |
| 04:00.02 | arauko | Caelum, but theres a command |
| 04:00.06 | Caimlas | mwilson: any idea how to remove an 'essential' package in debian? (other than Justin_'s approach) |
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| 04:00.26 | zeeble | arauko earlier, there was kbdconfig, now you might try dpkg-reconfigure console-common |
| 04:00.40 | arauko | zeeble, yeah that is, thanks |
| 04:00.44 | mwilson | Caimlas: What package? |
| 04:00.59 | Caimlas | Justin_: the option --force-remove-essential should work, if that's what it's intended to do, no? |
| 04:01.16 | arauko | zeeble, and what is the command to select location and time? |
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| 04:01.43 | Laufer | Caimlas: that should do it. You could alw'ays try -force-all :) |
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| 04:02.05 | Caimlas | mwilson: quite a few. ncurses*, and just most of the lib*'s that come by default. |
| 04:02.06 | zeeble | arauko told you, tzconfig |
| 04:02.23 | arauko | zeeble, aah thanks.. |
| 04:02.31 | w0wie | with apt-get can i see it up so that if one server cannot download a file my back up server will? |
| 04:02.51 | Laufer | Caimlas: I hope you know what you're doing. removing essential packages breaks things... |
| 04:03.05 | Caimlas | Laufer: yeah, I know. |
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| 04:03.21 | mwilson | I don't see why it's so difficult to remove an 'Essential: yes' package. |
| 04:03.29 | mwilson | Wise... that's another issue. |
| 04:03.40 | mwilson | But why are you making it out to be harder than it is? |
| 04:03.56 | Caimlas | Laufer: I'm familiar with the debian package build process; I don't undeniably know what I'm doing, but i've got a fair enough idea, and I'm cautious. :) |
| 04:04.11 | Caimlas | mwilson: so how are you supposed to do it, then? |
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| 04:04.35 | Laufer | Caimlas: its just that a lot of stuff depends on ncurses, etc. once you remove it many things will stop working. |
| 04:04.48 | mwilson | <shrug> apt-get does it with no problems right up to the point you remove enough stuff that you break apt itself. |
| 04:04.52 | Caimlas | Laufer: right. 've removed most of them. :) |
| 04:05.07 | blueskies | anyone know where i can read on getting Evolution for debian ? |
| 04:05.11 | Caimlas | mwilson: hrm, interesting: and yet dpkg won't do it manually. |
| 04:05.15 | Laufer | Caimlas: just curious, why do you want to do this thing? |
| 04:05.17 | mwilson | I just removed ncurses-base and put it back with no problem. |
| 04:05.20 | Justin_ | there are plenty of other things to delete rather than essential packages |
| 04:05.33 | rdancer | Justin_: I installed it. Sorry, but apt-file update says: Can't locate object method "host" via package "URI::_foreign" (perhaps you forgot to load "URI::_foreign"?) at /usr/bin/apt-file line 189. |
| 04:05.34 | dustin1 | does anything in debian depend on the default python install |
| 04:05.39 | mwilson | Caimlas: Of course dpkg will do it. How do you think apt-get makes it happen... magic? |
| 04:05.54 | dustin1 | apt-get doesnt have 2.3 so i'm upgrading from source, but i dont want to break anything by killing the old one |
| 04:05.55 | Caimlas | Justin_: I did a debootstrap and got 140M of packages; 140M is about 100M larger than i want it to be. |
| 04:05.58 | mwilson | Caimlas: It uses dpkg. |
| 04:06.03 | Caimlas | mwilson: right. |
| 04:06.05 | Justin_ | rdancer: got me, reportbug apt-file |
| 04:06.27 | rdancer | Justin_: oh my... |
| 04:06.34 | Caimlas | mwilson: which is why I'm curious: dpkg --force-remove-essential doesn't 'remove essential' |
| 04:06.37 | Laufer | Caimlas: still light weight compared to the freebsd "base" install... |
| 04:06.47 | Caimlas | Laufer: why, how big is that? |
| 04:06.47 | rdancer | Justin_: please do apt-file search xli for me, then :-))) |
| 04:06.55 | Laufer | Caimlas: let me check... |
| 04:06.59 | Justin_ | rdancer: read the rest of the search factoid! |
| 04:07.17 | Caimlas | I'll probably end up having to manually stip binaries and then put them in a ramdisk. |
| 04:07.26 | rdancer | Justin_: wtf factoid? |
| 04:07.34 | Justin_ | !tell rdancer about search |
| 04:07.36 | Justin_ | why do I even bother |
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| 04:07.54 | mwilson | Caimlas: See #flood |
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| 04:09.04 | Laufer | Caimlas: hmmm. It seems I turned my Fbsd partition into more swap. I recall it being much much larger than I expected. Several hundred meg for just the base install and the ports collection. |
| 04:09.05 | mwilson | Caimlas: As you can see, works just fine. |
| 04:09.42 | Justin_ | gee, every essential package on my woody box is 16M total |
| 04:09.45 | Caimlas | mwilson: k. |
| 04:09.50 | RichiH | dpkg depends on dselect? |
| 04:09.53 | mwilson | Caimlas: So it'd be operator error that's stopping you. |
| 04:10.07 | Caimlas | Laufer: ah, ports is kind of heavy. |
| 04:10.09 | Justin_ | so how are they taking up too much space again? |
| 04:10.18 | RichiH | ~depends dselect |
| 04:10.25 | Laufer | Caimlas: yeah, it seems so |
| 04:10.29 | Caimlas | mwilson: what was I looking for in #flood? |
| 04:10.35 | JimButton | no, dpkg does not depend n dselect |
| 04:10.53 | RichiH | Caimlas: does not |
| 04:10.54 | mwilson | Caimlas: Me showing you that dpkg would indeed remove 'Essential: yes' packages if I told it to. |
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| 04:10.57 | Laufer | ~depends dpkg |
| 04:11.00 | Caimlas | oh really? dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of dselect: |
| 04:11.00 | Caimlas | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.15 | Laufer | thanks apt |
| 04:11.20 | mwilson | It's a pre-dep, that's all. |
| 04:11.40 | RichiH | erm, my depends search was uite stupid, actually :) |
| 04:11.40 | JimButton | bah, i checked in woody |
| 04:12.33 | RichiH | mwilson: you will have to paste your stuff to #flood, again |
| 04:12.35 | RichiH | he was not there |
| 04:13.21 | Caimlas | mwilson: what's the difference between a pre-dep and a dep? |
| 04:14.20 | bob2 | Caimlas: a pre-dep will be installed before a package is even unpacked |
| 04:14.28 | bob2 | pre-deps are generally bad, m'kay |
| 04:14.44 | rdancer | Justin_: No way: p.d.o report some 123 pages of results. I could probably wget these & grep through, if you liked me to. |
| 04:14.45 | bob2 | JimButton: it depends on it for upgrade reasons |
| 04:15.01 | Justin_ | rdancer: try reading the whole factoid |
| 04:15.15 | JimButton | Caimlas: the changelog says "* Split dselect into its own package. dpkg Pre-Depends on it to make sure no weird things happen during an upgrade but this will allow us to make dselect option at some point in the future." |
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| 04:16.35 | Justin_ | mwilson: grep-status -sInstalled-Size -F Essential yes |sed "s/Installed-Size: /.+/"|bc heh |
| 04:16.54 | rdancer | Justin_: I did three^H^H^H^H^Hfour times. What is the command I missed? |
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| 04:17.39 | Justin_ | for fucks sake, I don't know if you are stupid or just lazy |
| 04:17.44 | Justin_ | !+find /bin/xli |
| 04:17.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/bin/xli' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/xlispstat) in math/xlispstat ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/{xli|xlito}) in graphics/xli. |
| 04:18.06 | bob2 | RTFBTS, that bug in apt-file is well-known |
| 04:18.07 | Justin_ | wow, the xli command is in the package "xli" who would have thought |
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| 04:18.26 | JimButton | Justin_: that is deliberate obfuscation! |
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| 04:19.18 | rdancer | Justin_: not stupid, nor lazy: you just didn't care to explain carefuly |
| 04:19.37 | Justin_ | and look at that, searching for "/xli" on packages.debian.org, the package named "xli" is the SECOND match |
| 04:19.56 | Justin_ | searching for just "xli" too, again SECOND match |
| 04:19.58 | kawfee | bob2: what bug? |
| 04:20.03 | chris` | Justin_: obviously all a coincidence :) |
| 04:20.27 | Justin_ | 23:12 >> rdancer<< Justin_: No way: p.d.o report some 123 pages of results |
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| 04:20.56 | Justin_ | thats why when I put in 'xli' i get about 20 matches, the second is 'xli' |
| 04:21.08 | rdancer | Justin_: correction: probably stupid. I'm sorry. |
| 04:21.25 | zeeble | 123 pages sounds liek google |
| 04:21.47 | rdancer | Justin_: I'd swear last time I wanted to apt-get xli it didn't work. |
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| 04:21.51 | Justin_ | no, thats if you put it in the contents, which finds every package with the letters 'xli' in a row |
| 04:21.57 | rdancer | Justin_: maybe I dreamed... |
| 04:22.06 | Justin_ | if you put /xli, you get 3 matches, the first of which is the xli package... |
| 04:22.09 | zeeble | rdancer anyway, go ahead and install your package |
| 04:22.18 | JimButton | Searched the web for xli. Results 1 - 10 of about 275,000. Search took 0.19 seconds. |
| 04:22.20 | rdancer | zeeble: installing |
| 04:22.23 | JimButton | that is google... |
| 04:22.35 | rdancer | Justin_, zeeble : yes, i searched for `xli |
| 04:22.43 | rdancer | ' on p.d.o |
| 04:23.03 | JimButton | the first google hit is the xli program though |
| 04:23.25 | rdancer | JimButton: but the package... |
| 04:23.57 | JimButton | rdancer: i wasn't really recommending google for package search, just an observation |
| 04:25.06 | Justin_ | heh |
| 04:25.22 | rdancer | thnx all ... for patience ;) |
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| 04:26.07 | mwilson | I swear... I can't believe the lengths the stupids will go to in order to avoid having to learn anything. |
| 04:27.32 | kawfee | is this a seg fault with make: make: *** [kb-init.h] Segmentation fault ? |
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| 04:28.03 | rdancer | mwilson: sure, mr. unfailable |
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| 04:28.17 | mwilson | I *never* claimed to be infallible. Not *once*. |
| 04:28.23 | zeeble | heh |
| 04:28.25 | mwilson | I make tons of mistakes. |
| 04:28.30 | Wyzard | mwilson: Why do you have the consistent belief that half the people in this channel actively and aggressively try to avoid learning anything? |
| 04:28.41 | zinx | Wyzard: i think it's more like 80% myself |
| 04:28.41 | The_Vulture | Wyzard: because it's the only reasonable explanation |
| 04:28.51 | mwilson | Wyzard: Do you ever actually pay attention to the channel? |
| 04:28.53 | zinx | Wyzard: though i wouldn't doubt it being higher |
| 04:28.58 | The_Vulture | what zinx said |
| 04:29.04 | rdancer | actualy, i learned some 4 commands in the course... |
| 04:29.33 | Wyzard | mwilson: Yes, I often tell newbies not to be discouraged by your insults, so I can help them solve their problem |
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| 04:29.55 | Wyzard | mwilson: I think that constitutes paying attention |
| 04:30.03 | zeeble | mwilson the reason for people not "learning" is prolly cecause of the existence of a channel like this. because there are people willing to "help" |
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| 04:30.15 | The_Vulture | zeeble: agreed |
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| 04:30.30 | Wyzard | The_Vulture: ? |
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| 04:30.39 | Justin_ | it would be help is people didn't pop in, spoonfeed someone half of a solution, and then leave |
| 04:30.50 | The_Vulture | *nods* |
| 04:30.54 | pooh | for IEEE1394 CD, what is the mount point "/dev"? I've tried all the "/dev/scd*", but cannot linkup with my DVD on FireWire. |
| 04:31.12 | mwilson | Wyzard: "newbies" don't want help. They want something to type/click that makes the nasty error message go away. |
| 04:31.26 | Justin_ | pooh: you have all the firewire modules loaded? |
| 04:31.46 | pooh | Justin_: yes, ieee1394, ohci1394 & sbp2 |
| 04:32.09 | Justin_ | pooh: install scsiadd and try scsiadd -s, then dmesg |
| 04:32.26 | Wyzard | mwilson: I agree, and we certainly do get some people like that in here. But we also get people who are willing to learn but are just missing some key piece of information so they're stuck, and those people are worth helping. |
| 04:33.44 | rdancer | stuck, deadlocked, helpless, gone 3 times back & forth, frustrated, ... |
| 04:33.58 | pooh | Justin_: I only see the USB 2.0 Plextor listed...not the FireWire device. |
| 04:34.07 | Justin_ | pooh: whats dmesg say |
| 04:34.25 | Wyzard | I believe in pointing people in the right direction and letting them figure the rest out on their own, but pointing someone in the right direction usually consists of a little more than telling them "RTFM and STFW, idiot" |
| 04:34.27 | Justin_ | you should see like, sbp2: something that means "device found" |
| 04:34.35 | arauko | im running dpkg-reconfigure console-common, but when i chose "Select keyboard from full list" i get the following: Looking for keymap to install: |
| 04:34.35 | arauko | NONE |
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| 04:35.00 | Justin_ | Wyzard: if I tell someone to rtfm, it means I just opened up the manual, and verified that it does indeed say exactly what they claim they can't find |
| 04:35.10 | The_Vulture | Wyzard: if even the most obvious search on the web would lead to a good start, STFW it should be |
| 04:35.11 | pooh | Justin_: ieee1394: sbp2: Node 0-01:1023: Max speed [S400] - Max payload [2048] |
| 04:35.12 | pooh | ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-01:1023] GUID[0001a3605000006e] |
| 04:35.12 | pooh | ieee1394: The root node is not cycle master capable; selecting a new root node a |
| 04:35.12 | pooh | nd resetting... |
| 04:35.12 | pooh | ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023 |
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| 04:35.30 | beta3 | Justin_: in your /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf could your show me what your MKIMAGE string looks like |
| 04:35.30 | pooh | sorry, guys. |
| 04:35.31 | mwilson | If I tell someone to STFW, it means I've got the damn result already open in the browser. |
| 04:35.33 | The_Vulture | as Justin_ said, in general if most of the people who know what they are doing are telling someone to read this or do that, they already know what they should find |
| 04:35.38 | Justin_ | beta3: i dont use initrd |
| 04:35.44 | Justin_ | mwilson: exacetly |
| 04:35.45 | beta3 | Justin_: I bet you have the tools installed |
| 04:35.52 | Justin_ | beta3: hmm |
| 04:35.54 | Wyzard | Justin_: Well, there may be an informative doc in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>, for example, but some people don't know that every package has a directory under /usr/share/doc, so they wouldn't know to look there. |
| 04:36.08 | Justin_ | pooh: just the first line was enough... |
| 04:36.14 | Justin_ | pooh: scsiadd -s didn't do anything? |
| 04:36.31 | mwilson | Wyzard: You're joking, of course. They can't make the connection from the documentation existing to the idea that they might learn something by reading it. |
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| 04:36.47 | pooh | Justin_: scsiadd -s shows a list of my scsi devices, but not the unit on FireWire |
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| 04:37.12 | zeeble | Wyzard ok, you point out to /usr/share/doc/packagename, and the next question is going to be "so what option do i use"? |
| 04:37.18 | Wyzard | mwilson: No, I'm not joking. There are A FEW people who have that problem; it does not by a long shot generalize to ALL people who ask newbie questions in here. |
| 04:37.21 | AMD_ | hey guys. I've got a script in my ~/ direc but i can't access it outside of that direc (other than typing ~/scriptname). how do i make it so i can just type 'scriptname' in and direc ? |
| 04:37.23 | mwilson | Wyzard: *Where* the documentation lives isn't even the issue. |
| 04:37.30 | hacim | I've got an apache process that is eating 99% of the CPU, how can I tell why it is doing that (I assume it is a bad cgi) |
| 04:37.41 | Justin_ | pooh: you have sr_mod loaded right? |
| 04:37.48 | pooh | Justin_: yes. |
| 04:37.49 | mwilson | hacim: Why do you assume that? |
| 04:37.56 | zeeble | AMD_ add the directory where you have the script to your path. |
| 04:38.10 | rdancer | Justin_: it seems to be #226908: apt-file fails when cdrom source is present in sources.list file |
| 04:38.15 | Deep6 | is there an openssl channel on freenode? |
| 04:38.18 | pooh | Justin_:Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 03 |
| 04:38.18 | pooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.25 | Piru | amd, but I suggest you make ~/bin dir and put the script there, and add ~/bin to path |
| 04:38.29 | Wyzard | hacim: Use pstree (for example) to see what its child processes are... if it's a CGI, you should see the script interpreter there |
| 04:38.32 | hacim | mwilson: just a hunch |
| 04:38.32 | pooh | Justin_: I assume this is the FireWire |
| 04:38.35 | Piru | amd, safer that way. |
| 04:38.48 | AMD_ | Piru, gotcha |
| 04:39.33 | mwilson | Wyzard: And then there are the people with "hunches". |
| 04:39.33 | Justin_ | pooh: umm... |
| 04:39.33 | hacim | Wyzard: it just told me: |-apache---10*[apache] |
| 04:39.33 | hacim | mwilson: what would your guess be? |
| 04:39.33 | Wyzard | mwilson: Which sometimes are right, and sometimes are wrong. Now hacim knows about pstree if he didn't know about it before, and might find uses for it in the future. |
| 04:39.39 | pooh | Justin_: lsmod shows "sr_mod" with "0" (unused) |
| 04:39.49 | mwilson | hacim: I wouldn't guess at all. What would be the point in guessing? I would investigate, I would FIND OUT, and I would fix it. |
| 04:39.53 | Justin_ | pooh: you dont have a "kernel: ieee1394: sbp2: Logged into SBP-2 device"? |
| 04:40.01 | hacim | mwilson: ok, how would you do that? |
| 04:40.17 | pooh | Justin_: in dmesg? |
| 04:40.20 | Justin_ | pooh: yeah |
| 04:40.27 | zeeble | buy a copy of unix power tools |
| 04:40.29 | mwilson | hacim: With apache? I have no idea. I never claimed to be an Apache administrator. |
| 04:40.41 | Wyzard | mwilson: That's a very helpful answer... "how do I solve my problem?" "By FIXING IT" |
| 04:41.01 | The_Vulture | Wyzard: that's an oversimplification |
| 04:41.01 | The_Vulture | his point was well made |
| 04:41.07 | The_Vulture | guessing at what might be wrong is of little value |
| 04:41.08 | hacim | Wyzard: i've noticed mwilson is someone who is filled with anger |
| 04:41.31 | hacim | The_Vulture: and I suppose by my guessing I've completely ruined all chances of fixing the problem? |
| 04:41.31 | pooh | Justin_: I don't see any |
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| 04:41.47 | Wyzard | hacim: He's not angry, just cynical. Don't be discouraged. |
| 04:41.48 | Justin_ | pooh: try unplugging it and plugging it back in somewhere else? |
| 04:41.58 | The_Vulture | hacim: not at all, you've just unecessarily obfuscated your question |
| 04:42.02 | The_Vulture | ~tell hacim about smart questions |
| 04:42.09 | xsdg | Justin_: sbp2? sr_mod? |
| 04:42.14 | Wyzard | hacim: I'd just restart apache, though, and not worry about it unless it happens often. |
| 04:42.14 | Justin_ | pooh: i think i had to do that, i didnt have it plugged into the power when i first plugged it in and it was a little confused |
| 04:42.15 | hacim | Wyzard: I've been told that there are mean elements in #debian before, but finally a grouchy cynic of my very own |
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| 04:42.22 | pooh | Justin_: hehehe...only one FireWire port off the Audigy. |
| 04:42.23 | The_Vulture | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#symptoms |
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| 04:42.35 | The_Vulture | "Describe the problem's symptoms, not your guesses" |
| 04:42.36 | hacim | Wyzard: yeah, it does happen every couple days |
| 04:42.38 | Justin_ | pooh: oh well then just try unplugged it and plugging it back in |
| 04:42.41 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 04:43.00 | hacim | The_Vulture: I guess I am doomed to suffer this problem indefinately ad infinitum bcause I hazarded a guess, oh the horror |
| 04:43.01 | Wyzard | The_Vulture: He did (high CPU usage from apache) |
| 04:43.06 | exobyte | is there a linux version of spider solitare? |
| 04:43.07 | pooh | Justin_: how do I view console message while in X? |
| 04:43.11 | fool | hmm, slight hitch. in enlightenment, theres no menu entry called "debian" that has all the apps ive installed on it. any ideas how to get it? (had it before, didnt have to do anything) |
| 04:43.11 | Justin_ | pooh: dmestg |
| 04:43.14 | Justin_ | pooh: dmesg |
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| 04:43.27 | mwilson | Wyzard: You see? Unreasoning beings. |
| 04:43.28 | Justin_ | fool: install menu? |
| 04:43.29 | The_Vulture | Wyzard: he also described his guesses, which only hinder |
| 04:43.30 | sark | hello channel |
| 04:43.38 | helix | !hi Sark |
| 04:43.38 | dpkg | Many greetings, Sark, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 04:43.41 | The_Vulture | starting with the facts, and getting rid of the guesses is a good thing |
| 04:43.50 | rdancer | fool: middle mousebutton click? |
| 04:43.52 | Wyzard | fool: That's not an E bug... I believe that comes with the "menu" package, though I could be wrong |
| 04:43.57 | hacim | Wyzard: dont worry about it, i'll just reinstall windows, that will solve my problem, oh so will throwing the box out the window heh |
| 04:44.02 | rdancer | fool: second entry from above |
| 04:44.04 | The_Vulture | hacim: you can be sarcastic, and/or you could try reading smart-questions.html - it's quite constructive |
| 04:44.07 | FieldySnuts | damn my testicles itch |
| 04:44.07 | FieldySnuts | er wrong channel |
| 04:44.18 | hacim | The_Vulture: how simple is it to remove my guess from the end of the line with your brain? |
| 04:44.23 | mwilson | hacim: <shrug> Use Windows, if it does the job you need done. Why shouldn't you? |
| 04:44.29 | pooh | Justin_: first 3 lines:ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023 |
| 04:44.29 | pooh | ieee1394: Node removed: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[0001a3605000006e] |
| 04:44.29 | pooh | ieee1394: sbp2: Logged out of SBP-2 device |
| 04:44.36 | fool | Justin_: gg :) |
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| 04:44.58 | The_Vulture | hacim: that's not the point |
| 04:45.00 | aum | hi - my xserver-xfree is complaining that it can't find extension "GLX" - i've looked in /usr/X11R6/lib, and there are files libGLU.(a|so|so.1|so1.3) - using nvidia card - problem only happened last night - any suggestions? |
| 04:45.02 | xsdg | pooh: that's an unplug |
| 04:45.15 | pooh | Justin_: This mean anything "The root node is not cycle master capable; selecting a new root node a |
| 04:45.15 | pooh | nd resetting..." |
| 04:45.20 | Wyzard | The_Vulture: Making a guess and then assuming it must be correct, but there's nothing wrong with trial-and-error if there's no more direct method available. I don't think he feels like stepping through Apache in gdb. |
| 04:45.34 | pooh | xsdg: right...and then I get like 5-6 msg from the plug in |
| 04:45.34 | Justin_ | pooh: dunno, mine didn't say that |
| 04:45.37 | hacim | The_Vulture: well, if it would change anything I can say exactly what I said, minus the excess baggage which has obviously taken up too many bits |
| 04:45.39 | The_Vulture | Wyzard: except his hypothesis added nothing useful |
| 04:45.47 | The_Vulture | it was unfounded, and it didn't actually give him anything concrete to test for |
| 04:46.06 | xsdg | pooh: that cycle bit happens for me and it (firewire hdd) works fine |
| 04:46.06 | hacim | Wyzard: actually, I wouldn't mind doing that, pstree gives me nothing |
| 04:46.10 | The_Vulture | hacim: go read smart-questions.html if you want to understand why, if you just want to sit there being a sarcastic fool, feel free to cat > /dev/null |
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| 04:46.13 | Wyzard | The_Vulture: How do you know it was unfounded? Maybe he runs a lot of CGI scripts that he knows to be buggy. |
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| 04:46.26 | chris` | "but there's nothing wrong with trial-and-error" |
| 04:46.27 | Sark | I've got something weird happening. I have Debian installed on a DEC HiNote Ultra II laptop, which has a Chips&Tech video chipset. I've tried setting up X to use the chips driver, as well as vesa and vga, and several others, along with all different monitor settings. No matter what the settings are, I always get pretty much the same thing - X loads, but then the system freezes completely. |
| 04:46.31 | hacim | The_Vulture: funny, the other night I asked the same question without the guess and someone told me, "debug your cgi" |
| 04:46.32 | The_Vulture | Wyzard: if it had a basis, he should have described the symptoms, not the theory he derived from them |
| 04:46.37 | mwilson | If he knows they're buggy, and doesn't fix them, then he's incompetent. |
| 04:46.38 | chris` | I can think of a lot of situations where "trial and error" are a very bad thing |
| 04:46.40 | pooh | Justin_,xsdg:Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023 |
| 04:46.40 | pooh | ieee1394: sbp2: Reconnected to SBP-2 device |
| 04:46.40 | pooh | ieee1394: sbp2: Node 0-00:1023: Max speed [S400] - Max payload [2048] |
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| 04:46.55 | Justin_ | pooh: scsiadd -s |
| 04:47.05 | The_Vulture | smart-questions.html describes the problems related to such guesses in questions quit clearly |
| 04:47.06 | Wyzard | mwilson: XFree86 has bugs. Go fix them, all of them, or you're incompetent. |
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| 04:47.19 | xsdg | Wyzard: eh? |
| 04:47.22 | The_Vulture | Wyzard: you aren't making a constructive argument or discussion here |
| 04:47.24 | pooh | xsdg: this is FireWire DVD...I just want to know where it attaches itself...I've tried mounting all the "/dev/scd*" |
| 04:47.24 | hacim | Wyzard: hehe |
| 04:47.35 | zeeble | hacim that "debug your cgi" sounds the best answer. better that what you received today :) or maybe #perl, or #apache would be better places |
| 04:47.38 | mwilson | Wyzard: The cases aren't parallel. I didn't create XFree, and am not responsible for its maintenance. |
| 04:47.40 | xsdg | pooh: are you using devfs? (or udev?) |
| 04:47.43 | Justin_ | pooh: how does randomly trying to mount things help? |
| 04:47.51 | Justin_ | pooh: when its detects dmesg will tell you WHERE it is |
| 04:47.55 | Wyzard | mwilson: I never said hacim wrote the hypothetical CGI scripts. :-) |
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| 04:48.18 | hacim | The_Vulture: dont you think this entire argument is not constructive since it isn't helping me any |
| 04:48.24 | The_Vulture | Wyzard: if it was a 3rd party one, and he knew there was a problem, he should be reporting it along the appropriate paths |
| 04:48.26 | mwilson | Wyzard: However, he is responsible for their maintenance. |
| 04:48.32 | hacim | zeeble: yeah, i'm trying to figure out which cgi I should start looking at |
| 04:48.34 | pooh | Justin_: shooting in the dark :) |
| 04:48.35 | The_Vulture | hacim: it would if you wanted it to |
| 04:48.39 | The_Vulture | but instead you just make sarcastic quips |
| 04:48.44 | chris` | I need to come up with a name for the people who harp on about how people here are too cruel. If mwilson can be called a "troll" then obviously we need a good name for the other camp |
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| 04:48.55 | schmoe_ | hey |
| 04:48.57 | hacim | The_Vulture: and can you tell me how I can find out which cgi it is so I might report it? |
| 04:49.02 | Wyzard | The_Vulture: I'd be helping hacim more except that I don't know a better way to investigate a problem like that except for running gdb on apache. And yes, I'm arguing with mwilson over his approach to problem-solving. |
| 04:49.07 | mwilson | Wyzard: Further, I *do* fix XFree bugs. How do I do that? I report them. |
| 04:49.11 | The_Vulture | hacim: well on what basis do you believe it's any cgi? |
| 04:49.13 | zeeble | chris` call thgem plankton. |
| 04:49.14 | schmoe_ | i know this qu isnt linux related, but i thought u guys might b able to help me |
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| 04:49.35 | mwilson | schmoe_: Few people here speak moron... do you speak English? |
| 04:49.35 | schmoe_ | do u know if i can point my domain name at the free web space provided by my isp? |
| 04:49.40 | The_Vulture | Wyzard: no, you aren't arguing, you're making silly comparisons, that as mwilson put it, aren't parallel |
| 04:49.53 | hacim | The_Vulture: apache on this box runs about 98% cgi, and the other 2% are static html |
| 04:49.59 | Justin_ | schmoe_: see a urologist |
| 04:50.08 | xsdg | schmoe_: possibly |
| 04:50.10 | Justin_ | grrrrr, that would have been funny without the lag |
| 04:50.16 | lotec | Is it possible for someone to hijack my site with frameset |
| 04:50.16 | schmoe_ | huh wots ur problem? |
| 04:50.17 | zeeble | schmoe_ yes. read a book about DNS. |
| 04:50.20 | mwilson | chris`: How am I a troll? |
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| 04:50.30 | Drizzt321 | anyone ever hear of an audio format that ends with .lua or .fda? |
| 04:50.32 | hacim | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.35 | hacim | oops |
| 04:50.38 | schmoe_ | fine fuck u guys then, ignorant bastards |
| 04:50.50 | xsdg | Drizzt321: .lua is a lua script, afaik |
| 04:50.55 | chris` | mwilson: I'm not the one calling you a troll remember? That was in reference to the "other camp" |
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| 04:51.00 | xsdg | Drizzt321: so no, never heard of those audio formats |
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| 04:51.08 | mwilson | chris`: Unless you have a different definition than everyone else. |
| 04:51.12 | The_Vulture | hacim: I don't think that's a good basis for your supposition, have you restarted apache? does this happen frequently? as soon as you start apache? |
| 04:51.21 | Bloomey | anyone know where I can find detailed info installing debian via pxe? |
| 04:51.25 | pooh | xsdg,Justin_: thnx, guys...I'll give up for now :( |
| 04:51.31 | xsdg | pooh: bah |
| 04:51.36 | Drizzt321 | oh, nm, the .fda is basically a .aif, just different extension |
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| 04:52.00 | Drizzt321 | arg, stupid non-standard game developers, first I had to find a tool to extract it, then they put them all as a non-standard extension, grrrr |
| 04:52.15 | pooh | xsdg: eh? what more can I do? I have all the modules loaded...it just won't work...could be the IDE-to-FireWire circuitry |
| 04:52.19 | hacim | The_Vulture: I can kill that process, or restart apache and it goes away, it happens every couple of days, not when I start apache |
| 04:52.36 | The_Vulture | hacim: how's about you take 5 minutes and read smart-questions.html it explains a lot of thigns that are useful in isolating a problem, many of which you can apply yourself as you follow the path of constructing a question, sometimes it means you don't end up with a question at all (because you solve it before you get all the way) |
| 04:52.50 | Justin_ | hacim: apache does log things you know.... |
| 04:52.54 | xsdg | pooh: dunno |
| 04:53.04 | The_Vulture | that (what Justin_ said) too |
| 04:53.26 | The_Vulture | the most obvious technique would be to isolate it, just remove the cgis and see if it happens, then perhaps add some at a time |
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| 04:53.33 | The_Vulture | but it helps when it's more directly reproduceable |
| 04:53.34 | Justin_ | and if it IS a cgi, 2 seconds with top would tell you which one |
| 04:53.45 | The_Vulture | *nods* |
| 04:53.45 | mwilson | Bloomey: There's a reason you don't just Google,of course. |
| 04:53.46 | hacim | Justin_: I do know that, but I dont know how I can find the logfile entry that says "here is the reason your apache is eating your CPU" |
| 04:53.48 | Justin_ | well, one that doesnt use mod_perl or such |
| 04:53.51 | johnsu01 | hm, is it possible to have window manager keyboard shortcuts work over a vncserver with a MSWin viewer? or is MS too stubborn to give up alt-tab.. |
| 04:54.16 | Justin_ | hacim: good thing they have timestamps |
| 04:54.20 | Wyzard | johnsu01: Not a definitive answer, but for alt-tab, probably not |
| 04:54.25 | hacim | The_Vulture: unfortunately, thats hard on a live system, i can't take all my cgi's offline for a couple of days to wait for apache to get its 99% cpu |
| 04:54.38 | johnsu01 | Wyzard: guess the best solution is probably to set up some alternative keys.. |
| 04:54.40 | Justin_ | johnsu01: toggle fullscreen? |
| 04:54.46 | hacim | Justin_: but the process doesn't - it has a tamstamp of when it was started, not when it got up to 99% |
| 04:55.03 | Wyzard | johnsu01: At least, not unless the VNC server is written to do so (grabbing the keyboard the way some fullscreen games do)... though that can be more of an annoyance than a benefit |
| 04:55.11 | johnsu01 | Justin_: fullscreen's on, but MS is still stealing alt-tab, alt-f2, and some others. |
| 04:55.23 | Justin_ | johnsu01: always works for me |
| 04:55.25 | zeeble | hacim how many cgis do you have? |
| 04:55.28 | mwilson | Bloomey: Wow... less than 30 sec Googling, and I know all I need to know. |
| 04:55.37 | mwilson | Bloomey: Might even play with it. |
| 04:55.42 | The_Vulture | hacim: yes, but you would consider the ones that started near to the time when the system started coming under heavy load.. |
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| 04:56.03 | hacim | zeeble: hmm, thats difficult to tell, there are 32 clients on the box, probably a number of them individually have several, so... |
| 04:56.07 | Bloomey | mwilson: been googleing for about 2 hours now, what did you come up with? |
| 04:56.08 | johnsu01 | Justin_: hm, maybe there is a vnc.conf option for it. will look again. or, could it depend on the window manager? |
| 04:57.19 | Justin_ | johnsu01: are you running vnc client on windows or linux? |
| 04:57.21 | argonel | hacim: http://help.lon-capa.org/fom/cache/208.html |
| 04:57.27 | zeeble | hacim hmm, try asking in #perl, maybe someone will come up with a nice codebit to use to find which cgi is taking longest to process/CPU/mem. Your best chance is debugging the cgi, and before that finding out which |
| 04:57.30 | mwilson | Why do people bother to lie? It's So easy to disprove. |
| 04:57.31 | johnsu01 | Justin_: client is on windows. |
| 04:57.44 | mwilson | Googling for two hours. |
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| 04:57.47 | Justin_ | johnsu01: then just toggle fullscreen and alt-tab will work |
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| 04:58.04 | Bloomey | mwilson, well, I've been doing other stuff also, but the point is, I've not found any real usefull info |
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| 04:58.27 | mwilson | Bloomey: Here's a tip... you have to actually load the browser. |
| 04:58.29 | johnsu01 | Justin_: no, alt-tab still switches between the ms windows windows. it's all right, i'll just make a new shortcut to switch between fluxbox windows. |
| 04:58.40 | mwilson | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=install+debian+pxe&btnG=Google+Search |
| 04:58.45 | deeboh | Question: can anybody give me a hand with configuring a built-in wireless card, prism chipset? |
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| 04:59.01 | zeeble | argonel neato. |
| 04:59.27 | jetscreamer | does samba require netbeui? |
| 04:59.31 | xsdg | deeboh: http://www.prism54.org, #prism54 |
| 04:59.34 | xsdg | jetscreamer: no |
| 04:59.40 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 04:59.43 | mwilson | jetscreamer: No, although SMB can run over it. |
| 04:59.47 | Stormfrog | is it possible to store a log of all http activity sent to computers behind my linux server? |
| 04:59.50 | deeboh | xsdg: i'll check it out, have been googling all day :) |
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| 05:00.04 | jetscreamer | thx2u2 |
| 05:00.10 | xsdg | Stormfrog: easy |
| 05:00.11 | ricochet | I know this is OT, but I'm not sure where to ask... I am starting a website for people to list local parties on. does anyone know of work into collecting police dept. IP address blocks so they can be routed off the site? |
| 05:00.14 | argonel | zeeble: not bad for a couple of minutes with google, eh? |
| 05:00.17 | xsdg | Stormfrog: see ngrep and/or tcpdump |
| 05:00.20 | mwilson | helix: PXE is a netboot standard. |
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| 05:00.25 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 05:00.25 | xsdg | helix: hey |
| 05:00.29 | zeeble | argonel nah. and looks nice. |
| 05:00.37 | jetscreamer | shunt the cops |
| 05:00.38 | helix | mwilson: fantastic. |
| 05:00.42 | helix | xsdg: hola |
| 05:00.50 | Bloomey | mwilson, I did the same search, that search doesn't return anything really usefull. which link are you talking about? |
| 05:00.52 | zeeble | argonel if i have that problem, then i know what to use |
| 05:00.55 | mwilson | helix: The idea is that you fetch the root disk image from a tftp server, and execute it. |
| 05:00.58 | argonel | zeeble: cool :) since i know nothing about mod_perl and apache, i'm glad it looks like it might be useful |
| 05:01.05 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 05:01.07 | mwilson | Bloomey: Nothing useful, huh. |
| 05:01.23 | helix | mwilson: i'm saying.. was he googling for 'barbie' instead? |
| 05:01.35 | helix | i don't understand how someone can google for two hours or, better yet, *all day* |
| 05:01.46 | helix | xsdg: food then sleep |
| 05:01.48 | zeeble | xsdg food. |
| 05:02.00 | helix | xsdg: ....depending on what you plan to eat |
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| 05:02.09 | xsdg | helix: pringles :o) |
| 05:02.12 | helix | eh |
| 05:02.15 | helix | sleep |
| 05:02.37 | xsdg | helix: actually, I'll probably finish the can and get some real food :o) |
| 05:02.47 | helix | xsdg: oh, in that case.. food :) |
| 05:03.01 | Stormfrog | xsdg: that logs which webservers the local computers visit? |
| 05:03.43 | zeeble | Stormfrog you want to log where people from your network went out to? |
| 05:04.16 | Stormfrog | zeeble: something like that |
| 05:04.34 | jetscreamer | gijoe kicked ken's ass |
| 05:04.51 | zeeble | jetscreamer huh? |
| 05:04.51 | xsdg | Stormfrog: just read up |
| 05:04.59 | xsdg | Stormfrog: google is your friend |
| 05:04.59 | mwilson | Bloomey: How do you find that search not useful? |
| 05:05.07 | Stormfrog | xsdg: always :) |
| 05:05.15 | jetscreamer | gijoe kicked ken's ass --- i'm saying.. was he googling for 'barbie' instead? |
| 05:05.23 | zeeble | Stormfrog well, then set up some sort of transparent proxying and parse the logs. squid with squidguard is a nice transproxy |
| 05:05.41 | helix | jetscreamer: heh |
| 05:06.14 | zeeble | Stormfrog or you could use ntop/darkstat and make em log to a database |
| 05:06.39 | deeboh | xsdg: Anywhere else I can find help besides #prism54, no responses there. |
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| 05:07.12 | xsdg | deeboh: the docs on prism54.org should be pretty self-explanatory |
| 05:07.24 | xsdg | deeboh: I'd help, but I'm going off to either eat or sleep |
| 05:07.50 | argonel | is there a way of getting progress info from in.ftpd? |
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| 05:08.21 | deeboh | xsdg: No problem, I'll see what I can figure out. The situation is just a little strange because modules are loaded, linux-wlan-ng is installed and configured, but still getting errors |
| 05:08.26 | mwilson | "progress info"? |
| 05:08.28 | pabl0 | uhm.. I have a ssh server, and I want that ONLY two users can be logged via ssh, can I do this? like a list of users that can use the ssh |
| 05:08.38 | mwilson | That's the job of your client, not the server. |
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| 05:08.58 | Laufer | mwilson: usually it is the server that limits who can and cannot login to it |
| 05:09.11 | FieldySnuts | he meant progress info |
| 05:09.17 | Laufer | oh |
| 05:09.20 | argonel | yeah, but its the stupid windows ftp client.. just sits there with a flashing cursor |
| 05:09.34 | FieldySnuts | get a real ftp client for windows, ncftp or some such |
| 05:09.34 | zeeble | heh |
| 05:09.37 | mwilson | Laufer: And you tell me this because? When did I make any statement about logins? |
| 05:09.38 | Laufer | my bad. Thought wilson was replying to pabl0 |
| 05:09.43 | rdancer | deeboh: hotplug is ok? ... and firmware in place? |
| 05:09.48 | mwilson | argonel: Then use a different client. |
| 05:09.52 | argonel | too late for that.. the xfer is already going :) |
| 05:10.04 | FieldySnuts | cancel, resume using said real ftp client |
| 05:10.07 | zeeble | you'll know when done. |
| 05:10.11 | deeboh | rdancer: it's a mini-pci card in a laptop, not pcmcia |
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| 05:10.22 | Laufer | argonel: you should be able to give the windows ftp client the "hash" command and then it will print # signs as it downloads blocks |
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| 05:10.45 | rdancer | deeboh: r u positive it doesn't need firmware loaded? iirc, even pci does need it |
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| 05:10.58 | Laufer | argonel: also beware that windows ftp client defaults to ascii mode. You have to tell it "binary" mode unless you want CRLF conversion... |
| 05:11.12 | FieldySnuts | all the better reason to install ncftp on it |
| 05:11.13 | patfm | hi |
| 05:11.28 | deeboh | rdancer: havent messed with any firmware, never read anywhere that firmware manipulation would be neccessary(sp?) |
| 05:11.56 | Archer | patfm,hi |
| 05:11.56 | argonel | tried using msie, it didn't want to use the ftp url for some reason |
| 05:12.16 | marinos | msie sucks for ftp |
| 05:12.27 | argonel | is there something it doesn't suck for? :) |
| 05:12.33 | zeeble | argonel umm, how about a freeware client like filezilla or wsftp? |
| 05:12.35 | deeboh | everything is working on this laptop except sound (intel ac97), wireless (prism2), and acpi |
| 05:12.35 | rdancer | deeboh: then read the doc on prism54.org, and try to verify/falsify the firmware is/isn't needed (I think it's in the README iirc) |
| 05:12.51 | deeboh | rdancer: Thanks, going through their site ATM |
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| 05:13.11 | argonel | next time, definately. |
| 05:13.31 | marinos | argonel: if there werent so much vulnerabilities ...it would be good as a browser |
| 05:13.35 | argonel | a *trout*? i've been trouted? how rude |
| 05:13.38 | patfm | i'm trying to figure out how to recover from a botched apt-get -u dist-upgrade. halfway through, it said something about having to shut down xdm, kdm, and gdm, and i foolishly did so in another terminal. of course, my xserver went down and the apt-get session died uncleanly. now i'm getting complaints aobut dependencies |
| 05:14.09 | Archer | argonel: sorry i pressed a wrong key |
| 05:14.10 | patfm | golly, thnat's a whole paragraph. haven't written one of those since high school. |
| 05:14.43 | jetscreamer | you were in an xtem apt getting and shut down your dm? |
| 05:14.45 | Pathway | patfm: one thing you _could_ try (don't know if it would work) is do a 'Downgrade' to get you back to where you were... Then do your upgrade again. There is probably a better answer than that, though. |
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| 05:15.06 | jetscreamer | apt-get -f install maybe though |
| 05:15.25 | Laufer | patfm: apt-get --fix-broken -u upgrade |
| 05:15.29 | Laufer | patfm: that may work. |
| 05:15.31 | patfm | Pathway: i thought about htat, wasn't wure if it would be wise |
| 05:15.39 | patfm | i did apt-get -f install i think |
| 05:15.42 | Pathway | Jetscreamer's idea is better. |
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| 05:15.48 | patfm | jetscreamer, Laufer: same thing, no? |
| 05:15.51 | jetscreamer | -f == -fix iirc |
| 05:16.03 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 05:16.09 | patfm | haven't tried apt-get -f upgrade... i'll try that |
| 05:16.24 | Laufer | patfm: yeah. my bad |
| 05:16.33 | Laufer | patfm: you can also try --fix-missing |
| 05:16.40 | Tellico | Hey, newbie here so don't mind the question :).. stable 'shouldn't' have security holes even thos the software it runs is not current right? backported security fixes are included? |
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| 05:17.02 | jetscreamer | think that's correct Tellico |
| 05:17.07 | Pathway | Tellico: If you're using the security patches, yes it should be very secure. |
| 05:17.41 | patfm | so do you folks think trying to fix the upgrade is wiser than trying to backpeddle with by switching my sources.list from unstable back to stable? |
| 05:17.43 | Laufer | Tellico: you have to include the secrutiy updates in your apt sources. See security.debian.org for more info |
| 05:18.07 | Pathway | patfm: Yes, fixing should be much cleaner, and faster. |
| 05:18.17 | Laufer | Tellico, then do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to get the updatse. |
| 05:18.26 | Tellico | laufer: ok, i know thats there cause it asked me if i wanted to use that and i said yes.. so everytime i apt-get something, does it check there if there is patches for it first? or is there an extra step i have to do? |
| 05:18.27 | patfm | Pathway: okay |
| 05:18.31 | patfm | here goes :) |
| 05:18.47 | Pathway | Good luck! |
| 05:19.09 | patfm | i did apt-get -f upgrade... suddenly i have a whoops feeling, heh |
| 05:19.11 | Laufer | Tellico: when there is a security fix a whole new package is uploaded to the security package repository. Apt will see the new version and install it. You don't need any other steps. |
| 05:19.25 | Tellico | nice :) |
| 05:19.28 | Tellico | Thanks |
| 05:19.46 | Laufer | patfm: shouldn't hurt anything |
| 05:20.02 | Laufer | -f is supposed to fix stuff :) |
| 05:20.03 | patfm | hmm. it failed again |
| 05:20.12 | Pathway | patfm: Whatcha get? |
| 05:20.30 | patfm | hang on i'll scp the errors over |
| 05:20.41 | patfm | (from my laptop) |
| 05:20.45 | Javi87 | anyone has idea if exist something to enlarge a pcmcia card (the length to the socket) to connect two big pcmcias? |
| 05:21.03 | patfm | Javi87: that sounded vaguely obscene :) |
| 05:21.10 | Pathway | Javi87: Nope, never even heard of the idea. What are you trying to connect? |
| 05:21.10 | Javi87 | xDDD |
| 05:21.19 | Archer | before i install a package where shell i read the README from? |
| 05:21.21 | Javi87 | Pathway, is pretty crazy |
| 05:21.26 | Javi87 | i have a wireless card |
| 05:21.40 | Javi87 | with antenna incorporated then the space outside is minimum |
| 05:21.51 | Javi87 | because use down socket and outside of top |
| 05:21.53 | sandman | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 05:21.57 | Pathway | Archer: I find all my docs in /usr/doc/<nameofpackage> |
| 05:21.58 | rdancer | is there a way to serialize spamassassin processing apart from the insecure spamd/spamc, and scripting it myself? |
| 05:21.59 | sandman | That came when apt-get was reading the package lists |
| 05:22.14 | Javi87 | then if i need to connect two tipes of cards with big part ouside i cant |
| 05:22.23 | Javi87 | if i thake one more outside works |
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| 05:22.28 | Laufer | sandman out of ram? |
| 05:23.04 | Pathway | Okay, so both your cards are "in the way of the other"? |
| 05:23.12 | Archer | PathWay: en i means the package is not installed how would the docs be found? |
| 05:23.18 | patfm | Errors were encountered while processsing: /car/cache/apt/archive/xlibmesa3-gl_4.2.1-15_i386.deb |
| 05:23.22 | sandman | Laufer: No |
| 05:23.33 | sandman | Laufer: I have 768M of it =) |
| 05:23.34 | patfm | E: Sub processing /usr/bin/dpkg returned and error code (1) |
| 05:23.38 | patfm | that's all she wrote. |
| 05:23.59 | Pathway | Archer: Ah. Google for the package, or search freshmet.net for the program. Read the docs from it's website. (Other than that, No idea.) |
| 05:24.00 | Laufer | sandman interesting. Is it repeatable? |
| 05:24.53 | Pathway | patfm: Try to run a 'apt-get -f install' on that one package... |
| 05:25.00 | patfm | Pathway: ok |
| 05:25.03 | bokadu | does anyone know how i might be able to differentiate between keypress and keyrelease in a console-based program need to write? i've done this before, but only in x86 assembly way back when; i'm hoping to do this in C. |
| 05:25.30 | Laufer | bokadu: you need to use a console library to do raw keyboard io. check out ncurses. |
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| 05:25.53 | Archer | Pathway:en,where can i find deb package besides apt site? |
| 05:26.09 | bokadu | i have been checking out ncurses; i can't find anything that will differentiate the two situations, but i will keep looking. |
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| 05:26.17 | Pathway | Archer: What package are you looking at? |
| 05:28.05 | Archer | Pathway:some packages which were localized,or how can i package the .tar.gz files into .deb files? |
| 05:28.15 | w0wie | with xfree86 how important is the freewriter module? |
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| 05:29.02 | Pathway | Archer: Localized? what do you mean? Also, did you check apt-get.org? Great source of other .deb repositories. |
| 05:29.04 | rdancer | bokadu: look at the source of programs that likely use it -- showkey(1) would be an obvious candidate :-) |
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| 05:29.40 | patfm | Pathway: no dice |
| 05:29.54 | trumpetsail | I have a plea for help: I'm trying to configure alsa on my machine. I recently compiled a customized 2.6.1 kernel with all the modules in it and followed the directions from ALSA's soundcard-specific installation page, but ... |
| 05:29.54 | trumpetsail | it's not working. Can anyone give me some advice on the subject? |
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| 05:30.26 | patfm | hmm i remember at one point trying to start up a gnome front end... and it complains about that |
| 05:30.37 | patfm | is there a way i can tell apt-get not to use the gnome frontend? |
| 05:30.46 | BrknSoul | what program do i use to make a 1:1 copy of a cd under debian? |
| 05:30.54 | BrknSoul | i mean iso |
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| 05:31.01 | Pathway | patfm: Heh. Yeah, un-select it. |
| 05:31.02 | zeeble | cdrecord |
| 05:31.04 | ndurr | trumpetsail what card is it? |
| 05:31.10 | trumpetsail | SiS 7012 |
| 05:31.16 | Archer | Pathway: en , i am not a native English,so i need some software be localized. |
| 05:31.18 | trumpetsail | uses the intel8x0 module |
| 05:31.30 | patfm | Pathway: okay i'll off & reread the apt-get man page to figure out how to do that ;) |
| 05:31.39 | trumpetsail | ndurr: SiS 7012, intel8x0 module |
| 05:31.51 | bokadu | rdancer: good idea, thanks. i didn't know of any until now that do it. |
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| 05:32.06 | Laufer | bokadu: the source for the "showkey" program can probably tell you exactly what you want. |
| 05:32.10 | FroZbyte | ok i got a problem:( |
| 05:32.11 | BrknSoul | zeeble: i can't get cdrecord/xcdroast to recognize my ide dvdrom drive (scsi emu) |
| 05:32.19 | FroZbyte | i tried connecting ith pppoeconf |
| 05:32.25 | rdancer | Laufer: late ;) |
| 05:32.27 | Pathway | archer: Ah. Forgive my ignorance. Unfortunetly, I don't know how to make a .deb... |
| 05:32.30 | FroZbyte | an i received an eror message:( |
| 05:32.33 | ndurr | trumpetsail: will the module load? |
| 05:32.36 | Laufer | rdancer: tnx. |
| 05:32.37 | Pathway | patfm: use dselect, it's awesome. |
| 05:32.44 | bokadu | Laufer: thanks. |
| 05:32.51 | zeeble | BrknSoul what writer model is it? |
| 05:32.55 | patfm | Pathway: hmm, ok |
| 05:32.55 | Archer | Pathway:thanks all the same! |
| 05:32.56 | Pathway | Frozbyte: What's the error message? |
| 05:33.06 | BrknSoul | zeeble: it's not a writer, i wanna make an iso of a cd |
| 05:33.19 | patfm | i should really read the apt-get manual all the way through |
| 05:33.22 | zeeble | BrknSoul mkisofs |
| 05:33.38 | FroZbyte | "sorry, I scanned 1 interface(s), but the access Concentrator of your provider did not respond..." |
| 05:33.42 | trumpetsail | ndurr: the modules are installed and modinfo says it's enabled |
| 05:33.43 | rdancer | BrknSoul: cat /dev/hdc > isoimage |
| 05:33.54 | rdancer | s/hdc/cdrom |
| 05:33.58 | zeeble | that too |
| 05:34.21 | Pathway | patfm: I don't use apt-get on the command line much (I know, I'm weird...) but I love dselect. It's just a fancy front end for apt-get, really.. but it's wonderfully easy to use once you get used to it. |
| 05:34.31 | BrknSoul | zeeble, rdancer: would that make a mountable and burnable iso9660 image ? |
| 05:34.47 | FroZbyte | any trouble shooting things i should try? |
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| 05:34.58 | ndurr | trumpetsail: is it on a laptop: |
| 05:34.58 | Pathway | Question for everyone: Do you use apt-get from the command line, or Dselect? If both, which more often? (I'm just curious) |
| 05:34.59 | Laufer | BrknSoul: if there is a mountable and burnable iso9660 image on the cdrom :) |
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| 05:35.00 | patfm | hmm. well, the whole reason i bought a preinstalled debian laptop was apt-get :) |
| 05:35.05 | Laufer | s/on/in |
| 05:35.05 | rdancer | BrknSoul: the disk isn't but a bag of bytes in Unix, and so is your cd |
| 05:35.06 | FroZbyte | as i only have one PC i would have to reboot it to try it out |
| 05:35.08 | patfm | i'm a recovering redhat guy :) |
| 05:35.20 | FroZbyte | please give me some suggestions as to how i could trouble shoot it |
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| 05:35.23 | BrknSoul | ic |
| 05:35.32 | rdancer | BrknSoul: just another file, even though rather big one |
| 05:35.32 | zeeble | BrknSoul yeah. you can also do dd if=/dev/cdrom of=brknsoul.iso |
| 05:35.42 | Pathway | patfm: Ah. Well, Redhat is awesome in it's own way... It's just not debian. |
| 05:35.42 | Laufer | dd is better. |
| 05:35.57 | phroget | What is the preferred method for getting rid of lilo and letting my regular XP boot manager take control of the boot process again? |
| 05:36.04 | patfm | Pathway: yeah, i like them both actually :) |
| 05:36.07 | trumpetsail | ndurr: no, it's a desktop |
| 05:36.09 | phroget | lilo -u? |
| 05:36.13 | phroget | or fdisk /mbr |
| 05:36.15 | phroget | in win? |
| 05:36.22 | rdancer | Laufer: why oh why? |
| 05:36.36 | Laufer | rdancer: because its more fun :) |
| 05:36.46 | Pathway | Frozbyte: Sorry, don't know enough about it to help... Any linux friends of yours on the same internet service? |
| 05:36.53 | Laufer | rdancer: really, it isn't any better in that task. |
| 05:36.55 | rdancer | Laufer: i don't like the =-thing |
| 05:36.57 | FroZbyte | nope:( |
| 05:37.07 | FroZbyte | no one i know even uses DSL |
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| 05:37.14 | trumpetsail | ndurr: i configured /etc/modutils/alsa as on the driver-specific alsa webpage and unmuted/increased the volume of all the relevant channels in alsamixer |
| 05:37.24 | FroZbyte | with dynamic ip |
| 05:37.40 | Laufer | FroZbyte: I use DSL, but I have a static IP and no PPPOE |
| 05:37.42 | trumpetsail | ndurr: i also fixed the permissions on the various devices: dsp, mixer, sequencer, midi |
| 05:37.52 | FroZbyte | :( |
| 05:37.55 | rdancer | Laufer: you need zsh-completion in order to complete, etc. ...but I have patched my dd so that it shows the progress -- do I /would/ use it myself ;-) |
| 05:38.14 | FroZbyte | i have a sohoware ethernet card |
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| 05:38.18 | Laufer | rdancer: hehe |
| 05:38.19 | Pathway | FroZbyte: Maybe you should look up the old dsl-howto on tldp.org. It had some provider-specific stuff in it, if I remember correclty. |
| 05:38.20 | FroZbyte | does anyone here have it? |
| 05:38.30 | Pathway | NEver heard of sohoware. |
| 05:38.48 | Pathway | Does it work? (as in, does linux see the card?) |
| 05:38.51 | Laufer | Pathway: they used to make network cards and hubs and stuff. Don't know if they're still around. |
| 05:39.01 | BrknSoul | zeeble, rdancer: dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error |
| 05:39.01 | phroget | Could someone help me restore the winXP boot manager instead of Lilo? |
| 05:39.01 | FroZbyte | thank you Pathway |
| 05:39.01 | Laufer | cheap stuff, like NE2k clones, etc. |
| 05:39.09 | Pathway | Ah. |
| 05:39.16 | FroZbyte | is there a pdf version of this? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DSL-HOWTO/? |
| 05:39.21 | Archer | hello,i wanna transform .tar.gz or .rpm files to .deb files what tools should i use? |
| 05:39.28 | phroget | Archer: Alien |
| 05:39.31 | Pathway | FroZbyte: Don't know. |
| 05:39.59 | rdancer | BrknSoul, Laufer It's OK, I told you cat would be better ;-) |
| 05:40.04 | Archer | phroget,how about to .rpm? |
| 05:40.16 | phroget | Archer: eh, no idea, sorry =) |
| 05:40.20 | bob2 | Archer: "alien". but you're much better off finding an actual Debian version of it. |
| 05:40.40 | zeeble | Archer would you care to install alien and read its manpage? but which app are you using for which a .deb is not available? |
| 05:40.48 | phroget | Hrm, should lilo -u reload my old boot manager? |
| 05:40.56 | phroget | fdisk /mbr doesnt seem to work with the rescue disk for XP |
| 05:41.02 | rdancer | BrknSoul: It just wanted to read the last sector, and found it wasnt all there (it was shorter, didn't align). so it complies. |
| 05:41.08 | Pathway | phroget: which boot manager? Lilo? |
| 05:41.08 | Laufer | FroZbyte: try http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/pdf/DSL-HOWTO.pdf |
| 05:41.16 | zeeble | phroget get a win98 cd and boot from it, or a windows boot floppy |
| 05:41.17 | phroget | Pathway: No, the windows XP one |
| 05:41.18 | rdancer | BrknSoul: what exactly is the message? |
| 05:41.26 | patfm | FroZbyte: http://tinyurl.com/2mcjh |
| 05:41.31 | phroget | zeeble: Even if i had XP, the win98 cd will have fdisk? |
| 05:41.33 | patfm | ah, Laufer beat me too it ;) |
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| 05:42.00 | trumpetsail | ndurr: thanks |
| 05:42.03 | BrknSoul | rdancer: it's a ps2 disc |
| 05:42.04 | phroget | zeeble: Is that better than lilo -u or no? I mean, will I still be able to boot into my old harddisk like normal or no? |
| 05:42.05 | zeeble | phroget of course. boot from the CD, you can fdisk/format/dir/ all that crap from the CD |
| 05:42.12 | BrknSoul | rdancer: dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error |
| 05:42.13 | BrknSoul | 40+0 records in |
| 05:42.13 | BrknSoul | 40+0 records out |
| 05:42.13 | BrknSoul | 20480 bytes transferred in 0.074750 seconds (273980 bytes/sec) |
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| 05:42.13 | Pathway | phroget: Ah. Make your XP the default, launch to it and do it's boot utilities. |
| 05:42.15 | zeeble | phroget yes you will |
| 05:42.33 | Pathway | If you need to get bback to Debian, use the CD as a rescue disk. |
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| 05:42.52 | phroget | Pathway: Ok, is htat better than loading the win98 and doing fdisk? |
| 05:42.55 | phroget | zeeble: thank you |
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| 05:43.20 | phroget | Im a bit peeved that the brand new d-i installer installed lilo without asking me... i usually use a floppy to boot |
| 05:43.30 | Pathway | phroget: PRobably. |
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| 05:43.36 | phroget | Pathway: Thanks |
| 05:43.40 | rdancer | BrknSoul: it's not ok, i guess |
| 05:43.40 | Pathway | np |
| 05:43.41 | bob2 | debhelper should auto-ban repeate flodoers |
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| 05:44.01 | zeeble | phroget at least you got that far. i could'nt get the installer to recognise my keyboard |
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| 05:44.14 | BrknSoul | rdancer: sorry, i got flood-kicked ;-) |
| 05:44.19 | Archer | phroget,bob2,zeeble,thank you, i find the website of alien |
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| 05:44.27 | rdancer | BrknSoul: and you deserved it ;-) |
| 05:44.35 | Pathway | d-i is still alpha or beta... Make sure your oppinions are heard. |
| 05:44.42 | BrknSoul | rdancer: i thought it would go on the same line ;-) |
| 05:44.45 | rdancer | BrknSoul: paste on #flood :-) |
| 05:44.54 | phroget | Pathway: hehe i plan on it |
| 05:44.57 | Laufer | BrknSoul: dd will quit like that when it gets to the end of the cdrom. its ok |
| 05:44.58 | zeeble | Pathway yeah. it feels nice to hit upon beta3 |
| 05:45.00 | BrknSoul | rdancer: i know, 'twas only 4 lines hehe |
| 05:45.10 | bob2 | 4 lines == flood |
| 05:45.11 | bob2 | deal |
| 05:45.18 | zeeble | heh |
| 05:45.25 | Laufer | BrknSoul: although it looks like the image is either really small or you're trying to copy a copy-protected disc |
| 05:45.34 | rdancer | BrknSoul: I guess the cd is longer than 20K, ain't it? |
| 05:45.35 | beta3 | bob2: compiler cache doesn't speed up kernel compiling at all |
| 05:45.44 | BrknSoul | Laufer, rdancer yup |
| 05:45.49 | phroget | Ug, i have to set up all of debian before being able to boot back into XP. Very unhappy with d-i right now =) |
| 05:46.07 | rdancer | Laufer, BrknSoul : it's not ok, it would read 40+1 records in/out then |
| 05:46.11 | bob2 | phroget: file an installation report |
| 05:46.12 | arke | hiya, I'm running a suse system, and I'm frankly getting pissed off, and I heard so many good things about debian :). Is it possible for me to (after partitioning) install debian beside my suse installation without problems? I have no CD drive, jusst a floppy drive, and I need a special kernel module for net... |
| 05:46.14 | rdancer | BrknSoul: media error? |
| 05:46.15 | bob2 | beta3: are you actually using it? |
| 05:46.15 | zeeble | phroget why were you using d-i in teh first place? |
| 05:46.17 | phroget | bob2: yeah |
| 05:46.24 | beta3 | bob2: yes, third recompile |
| 05:46.34 | phroget | zeeble: I wanted to test it, reinstall over my other debian partition, it was a woody install anyways |
| 05:46.35 | bob2 | beta3: "ccache -s" |
| 05:46.38 | BrknSoul | rdancer, Laufer: it's a protected cd, how do i make a 1:1 iso of it? |
| 05:46.43 | rdancer | BrknSoul: wipe the CD & look @ dmesg(1) output |
| 05:46.44 | Pathway | arke: Yes, install from Floppy is possible. What's your network card? |
| 05:46.45 | phroget | zeeble: I figured by beta2 it wouldnt be doing crap like this |
| 05:46.45 | bob2 | !+chroot install |
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| 05:46.46 | dpkg | chroot install is, like, http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 05:46.46 | zeeble | phroget well, it does'nt work yet :) |
| 05:46.53 | beta3 | bob2: huh? |
| 05:46.53 | rdancer | BrknSoul: warez?? |
| 05:46.54 | phroget | zeeble: hehe yeah |
| 05:46.57 | Laufer | BrknSoul: not gonna tell. |
| 05:47.07 | arke | Pathway: linksys wmp11 ... needs either a prism2 module or some harris something module |
| 05:47.14 | ndurr | arke: what special kernel module? |
| 05:47.18 | BrknSoul | rdancer: nope, a legal backup |
| 05:47.22 | patfm | arke: hey, i have one of those... |
| 05:47.25 | Pathway | arke: Wireless |
| 05:47.27 | Pathway | ? |
| 05:47.29 | beta3 | bob2: I think I just shot myself in the foot |
| 05:47.29 | patfm | arke: haven't tried configuring it yet |
| 05:47.38 | Laufer | BrknSoul: linux doesn't have progs like blindwrite, etc, to get around cdrom copy protection. |
| 05:47.40 | beta3 | bob2: There is ccache and Compiler cache |
| 05:47.40 | bob2 | arke: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 05:47.45 | Laufer | BrknSoul: at least none that I know of. |
| 05:47.47 | rdancer | BrknSoul: DMCA-OK ? ;) |
| 05:47.48 | beta3 | bob2: I was using compilercache |
| 05:47.48 | bob2 | beta3: yes. ccache is what you want. |
| 05:47.54 | beta3 | bob2: agh |
| 05:47.57 | arke | ndurr: prism2 |
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| 05:48.00 | arke | yeah, wireless. |
| 05:48.17 | rdancer | BrknSoul:/who BrknSoul |
| 05:48.20 | rdancer | shit |
| 05:48.22 | grendal | whats the network setting look like again for...dhcp? |
| 05:48.24 | bob2 | beta3: and then mkdir ~/bin;cd ~/bin;ln -s /usr/bin/ccache gcc; ln -s /usr/bin/ccache g++; then put ~/bin at the front of your $PATH |
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| 05:48.30 | grendal | in interfaces... |
| 05:48.30 | bob2 | grendal: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 05:48.33 | ndurr | arke: bob2 to is right http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 05:48.35 | Pathway | arke: Hrm... Don't know if debian has a driver for that, asn since it's probably PCMCIA... Debian got rid of those drivers for me once I installed... |
| 05:48.40 | grendal | thanks |
| 05:48.45 | BrknSoul | Laufer: i was gonna use blindwrite, but it doesn't make ISO9660 isos, ("file" cmd reports "data" instead of "iso9660 image" |
| 05:48.46 | BrknSoul | ) |
| 05:48.49 | Laufer | grendal: man interfaces |
| 05:49.01 | rdancer | BrknSoul: maybe ask @ some warez site? |
| 05:49.03 | w0wie | what packages are there for icons? |
| 05:49.15 | zeeble | w0wie apt-cache search icons |
| 05:49.20 | rdancer | BrknSoul: or use free sw ;-) |
| 05:49.23 | BrknSoul | rdancer: it's not warez, i'm legally entitled to one backup of my media |
| 05:49.25 | beta3 | bob2: its much easier to export PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH |
| 05:49.44 | Laufer | BrknSoul: I'm not gonna talk about it. |
| 05:49.45 | Laufer | sorry |
| 05:49.51 | bob2 | beta3: ok. |
| 05:49.53 | arke | its actually the built in PCI card. |
| 05:49.54 | Pathway | Well, I've don my 30 minutes of tech support for the night... Gnight. |
| 05:49.54 | BrknSoul | Laufer: why? |
| 05:50.02 | Toolah | may I get some help with NFS mounts please? Everything works ok, checked optimisation with reads and writes and everything works fine except I can't play music files from mounted filesystem with XMMS? They just skip and jump. Is it network optimision issues or am I missing something obvisous? |
| 05:50.03 | rdancer | BrknSoul: ok, but if you were in the US, it would be illegal, afaik |
| 05:50.14 | Laufer | I live in the US and I work for the gooberment. Sort of :) |
| 05:50.17 | BrknSoul | rdancer: i'm not in the US |
| 05:50.18 | rdancer | BrknSoul: being in .au, it's legal, as it is legal in .cz |
| 05:50.20 | FroZbyte | OH during installaion of DEBIAN 3.0 rev2, from the first cd1, was all i had and during install, it gave me error messages, something about, "NEBOUR something TABLE"??? |
| 05:50.29 | FroZbyte | kept getting it offen |
| 05:50.59 | bob2 | FroZbyte: good to hear! |
| 05:51.03 | rdancer | BrknSoul: but the crackers should know, as it's a crackers' thing. basicaly, you want to crack the ``drm'', don't you? |
| 05:51.03 | bob2 | FroZbyte: ifup lo |
| 05:51.15 | BrknSoul | rdancer: no |
| 05:51.27 | FroZbyte | wht does that mean? |
| 05:51.29 | zeeble | BrknSoul you have a windows box? |
| 05:51.35 | BrknSoul | zeeble: yup |
| 05:51.41 | rdancer | Laufer: then you must withdraw from this discussion :-) |
| 05:51.50 | zeeble | BrknSoul make the copy there, and be done with it. |
| 05:51.52 | BrknSoul | zeeble: blindwrite doesn't make proper isos tho |
| 05:51.53 | Laufer | rdancer: I have :) |
| 05:52.00 | Archer | where can i get deb package of fcitx? |
| 05:52.13 | zeeble | BrknSoul ever heard of winiso, ultraios, or even nero? |
| 05:52.15 | rdancer | Laufer: you had to :) |
| 05:52.22 | beta3 | bob2: need you to look at these errors, tell me what they are |
| 05:52.24 | bob2 | Archer: what is it? |
| 05:52.28 | BrknSoul | nero... |
| 05:52.29 | FroZbyte | ifup lo???? what does that mean? |
| 05:52.36 | rdancer | zeeble: nero can do drm cracking? |
| 05:52.39 | bob2 | FroZbyte: !?!#?!@#?!@?# |
| 05:52.47 | bob2 | FroZbyte: what does it look like? |
| 05:52.51 | Laufer | rdancer: not that I agree with the IP laws.... they tend to violate rights I have under copyright law. |
| 05:52.53 | BrknSoul | FroZbyte: enables the loopback network devices |
| 05:53.00 | bob2 | rdancer: zeeble BrknSoul #skr1pt-k1dd13s |
| 05:53.04 | Archer | bob2:it's a tools of inputing chinese |
| 05:53.06 | FroZbyte | why does it do that? |
| 05:53.22 | rdancer | bob2: ah.. |
| 05:53.35 | zeeble | rdancer no idea. but he's prolly more familiar there |
| 05:53.36 | FroZbyte | it kept doing it throught out...??? pointless??? |
| 05:53.53 | BrknSoul | see ya all ;-) |
| 05:53.55 | bob2 | Archer: apt-cache search chinese input |
| 05:54.05 | w0wie | what is a program that configure the date and time in the gui? |
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| 05:54.08 | bob2 | FroZbyte: good god, just run the fucking command. |
| 05:54.12 | beta3 | bob2: http://mirrorlynx.com/people/dan/depmoderrors.log |
| 05:54.30 | zeeble | Archer is'nt fcitx in teh main debian package pool? |
| 05:54.31 | FroZbyte | how do i do that??? |
| 05:54.54 | bob2 | FroZbyte: ifup lo |
| 05:54.56 | bob2 | jesus |
| 05:55.01 | rdancer | lol |
| 05:55.04 | FroZbyte | scroll up |
| 05:55.07 | FroZbyte | dip shit |
| 05:55.10 | FroZbyte | scroll up |
| 05:55.25 | Archer | zeeble it seems yes, i didn't find it in apt-get.org |
| 05:55.27 | bob2 | fuck you, dude. |
| 05:55.41 | beta3 | bob2: what does that mean |
| 05:55.41 | FroZbyte | no i'd rather fuck your sister :D |
| 05:55.45 | zeeble | Archer apt-get.org is the unofficial sources. |
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| 05:55.50 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 05:55.50 | The_Vulture | FroZbyte not only looks a gift horse in the mouth, but decides to abuse it too |
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| 05:56.11 | bob2 | beta3: I'm not quite sure, I've never seen anything like it. |
| 05:56.11 | FroZbyte | why was i kicked??? |
| 05:56.13 | phroget | What is the proper (or, hopefully, Debian) way to create a boot disk? |
| 05:56.16 | Toolah | may I get some help with NFS mounts please? Everything works ok, checked optimisation with reads and writes and everything works fine except I can't play music files from mounted filesystem with XMMS? They just skip and jump. Is it network optimisation issues or am I missing something obvisous? |
| 05:56.20 | bob2 | phroget: mkbootdisk |
| 05:56.22 | The_Vulture | FroZbyte: abusive behaviour, one would assume |
| 05:56.23 | beta3 | bob2: neither have I, thus Im asking |
| 05:56.27 | phroget | bob2: thanx =) |
| 05:56.31 | zeeble | Archer you can first do apt-cache search <packagename> |
| 05:56.31 | beta3 | phroget: mkboot |
| 05:56.34 | FroZbyte | well so as he |
| 05:56.40 | FroZbyte | how come he wasn't kicked??? |
| 05:56.49 | The_Vulture | he's the one that kicked you, if you didn't notice |
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| 05:57.02 | The_Vulture | ;) |
| 05:57.05 | Laufer | teehee |
| 05:57.06 | bob2 | happy? |
| 05:57.09 | zeeble | FroZbyte there is always a packing order, everywhere. there is no democracy. |
| 05:57.20 | Laufer | bob2 just don't ban yourself |
| 05:57.21 | The_Vulture | zeeble: the phrase is "pecking order" |
| 05:57.22 | FroZbyte | it didn't say anything bout who kiked me |
| 05:57.25 | The_Vulture | s/phrase/term/ |
| 05:57.32 | zeeble | The_Vulture ughh |
| 05:57.39 | bob2 | FireEgl: stop being a dick when I'm trying to help you. the problem you have, which you didn't actually bother to correctly state is that the kernel is complaining abotu "neighbour table overflows". This is because your "lo" interface is down. |
| 05:57.44 | Tellico | Hey, what groupe does a user have to be added to to be able to add contect to /var/www ? |
| 05:57.45 | bob2 | FroZbyte: ^ |
| 05:57.57 | markw | Tellico: www-data |
| 05:58.03 | bob2 | markw: NO |
| 05:58.07 | markw | no? |
| 05:58.11 | markw | hmm. |
| 05:58.14 | Tellico | tryed that one |
| 05:58.16 | bob2 | do not EVER have anything owned by www-data |
| 05:58.21 | bob2 | Tellico: ls -ld /var/www |
| 05:58.24 | Tellico | still dont have permissions to add any fiels |
| 05:58.26 | bob2 | and then think for a minute |
| 05:58.30 | markw | bob2: that's the owner of the dir. |
| 05:58.36 | markw | and the apache user. |
| 05:58.37 | bob2 | rob@ooder> ls -ld /var/www ~ |
| 05:58.37 | bob2 | drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 144 Nov 2 23:26 /var/www/ |
| 05:58.47 | Tellico | its root |
| 05:58.55 | Tellico | so i should change the owner to www-data? |
| 05:59.03 | bob2 | markw: the apache user runs as www-data. www-data should never have permirrion to modify files, so your website doesn't get defaced f apache is cracked. |
| 05:59.07 | bob2 | Tellico: NO |
| 05:59.09 | bob2 | as I said already |
| 05:59.18 | bob2 | Tellico: make a new group. give it write perms to that dir. add people to it. |
| 05:59.26 | pshaggy | according to apt-get upgrade, my packages are up to date. I am running stable and wish to be running xfree86 v4.x but apparently I am running v3.x. How do I fix this? |
| 05:59.36 | jetscreamer | damn bob, you spill coffee on your kb too/ |
| 05:59.38 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 05:59.51 | markw | bob2: some of the interactive stuff requires the webserver to write to a dir. |
| 05:59.56 | markw | hmm. |
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| 06:00.11 | Tellico | how do i give writes to a group? |
| 06:00.15 | bob2 | pshaggy: I told you this yeterday, install xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:00.26 | Toolah | I have just mounted the directory with smbmount and am getting the same problem .... never had this problem with samba before - could it be in xmms maybe? |
| 06:00.40 | bob2 | Tellico: addgroup morons; chgrp morons /var/www |
| 06:00.54 | pshaggy | I tried ä"apt-get install xserver-xfree86" but it is ä"already newest version" |
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| 06:01.08 | pshaggy | but it is already newest version |
| 06:01.10 | bob2 | pshaggy: then you have X4 |
| 06:01.22 | rdancer | pshaggy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:01.26 | pshaggy | why no xf86config-4 file? all I have is xf86config |
| 06:01.33 | bob2 | rdancer: that doesn't help |
| 06:01.47 | bob2 | pshaggy: you shouldn't have either, you want /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:01.48 | lavalyn | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:01.53 | rdancer | pshaggy, bob2: and choose the v4 as the default X server |
| 06:02.21 | bob2 | rdancer: sure you're not mixing up X servers with X modules? |
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| 06:02.28 | rdancer | bob2: the X symlink is what he asks about |
| 06:02.31 | jetscreamer | just remove all the x-window* then reinstall |
| 06:02.37 | bob2 | rdancer: ah, ok, I stand corrected. |
| 06:02.44 | rdancer | bob2: that's what dpkg-reconfigure does: resymlinking |
| 06:03.04 | bob2 | rdancer: it also lets you choose which module to use within X4 |
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| 06:03.18 | rdancer | rdancer: ah, yes :-) |
| 06:03.23 | argonel | gragh. that was slow |
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| 06:04.37 | bob2 | hah, that's not very hard. |
| 06:05.04 | beta3 | bob2: shit ccache is fast |
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| 06:05.28 | bob2 | beta3: yes. |
| 06:05.33 | bob2 | md5sum is a lot faster than gcc |
| 06:06.09 | rdancer | maybe `proud' wasn't the best English for the feeling? |
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| 06:08.43 | beta3 | bob2: well, Im stumped on that on |
| 06:09.18 | phroget | I gotta say, Friday Night Standup on com central is depressing to watch on a fri night |
| 06:09.33 | Justin_ | bob2: you should see tcc :-) |
| 06:09.35 | phroget | even worse to spend the night fixing ur g-d damn computer |
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| 06:09.53 | Justin_ | isn't "g-d damn" counterproductive? |
| 06:10.02 | bob2 | Justin_: hah, come back when it does c99 |
| 06:10.04 | phroget | hehe force of habit |
| 06:10.08 | Justin_ | god knows wtf you mean, so your still taking the lords name in vain or whatever that bs is |
| 06:10.11 | Justin_ | heh |
| 06:10.11 | cirion | If I have package "foobar" - how can I query which packages need "foobar" ? |
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| 06:10.39 | De_Mon | Im trying to watch realtime tv through /dev/video0. if I were doing it localy i could just use mplayer /dev/video0, but Im trying to do it over the network with samba. any ideas how I could pull this off? |
| 06:10.39 | phroget | yeah, and it turns out there's not really much of a problem with typing G + O + D anyways, since it's in English |
| 06:10.39 | Justin_ | bob2: I used it on some of my assignments when i was working on my laptop |
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| 06:10.44 | Justin_ | De_Mon: ffserver |
| 06:10.55 | pshaggy | that worked to switch to xf84-4. thanks |
| 06:11.06 | bob2 | cirion: apt-cache showpkg foobar |
| 06:11.12 | Justin_ | De_Mon: or setup mythtv heh |
| 06:11.16 | bob2 | Justin_: hmm |
| 06:11.26 | cirion | bob2: can any IRC bot do the query ? |
| 06:11.49 | The_Vulture | cirion: you don't have apt-cache installed? |
| 06:11.53 | De_Mon | Justin_ isnt mythtv designed for playback over tv-out or another 'local' interface? |
| 06:12.04 | Justin_ | bob2: whats NEAT about tcc is that you can put #!/usr/bin/tcc and write c scripts |
| 06:12.08 | Justin_ | De_Mon: no |
| 06:12.18 | cirion | the_vulture: I am on SuSE linux right now... the debian box is down for hardware maintaince... ;-( |
| 06:12.35 | bob2 | Justin_: haha, that's sick |
| 06:12.48 | De_Mon | Justin_ well shit. what would I need on the client PC's to use myth? |
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| 06:12.59 | Justin_ | De_Mon: the mythtv frontend |
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| 06:13.11 | hardcampa | There's always videolan |
| 06:13.14 | n6tadam | ill and wrong more like. |
| 06:13.16 | hardcampa | the server and client |
| 06:13.22 | Justin_ | though ffserver is better for simple stuff, then you just stick mplayer.exe somewhere |
| 06:13.31 | Justin_ | hardcampa: i couldn't figure out videolan server |
| 06:13.38 | hardcampa | =/ |
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| 06:14.26 | Justin_ | seemed too complicated, i can setup ffserver from scratch in a few minutes.. the vls package doesnt even come with an example config |
| 06:14.32 | w0wie | how can i configure my time to the actual time? |
| 06:14.52 | De_Mon | I planned to get mythtv running eventually, after my 'remote' problems were sorted out, but Im gona checkout ffserver first |
| 06:14.54 | n6tadam | w0wie ntpdate |
| 06:15.08 | rdancer | w0wie: date -s <time>; hwclock --systohc |
| 06:15.33 | andr3w__ | can someone help ? I have freshly installed debian and am about to dist-upgrade, is it better to use testing and sid sources or just sid sources? |
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| 06:15.51 | The_Vulture | andr3w__: depends what you mean by "better" |
| 06:15.58 | The_Vulture | it's "better" to stick with woody if yer asking |
| 06:15.58 | Tellico | bob2: i created a groupe called webmast.. added a user to it, and chgrp webmast /var/www |
| 06:16.02 | cirion | got I hate the bots |
| 06:16.03 | chance2105 | I just set up CUPS here, and it finds .. three other printers .. that aren't physically connected to my computer. heh |
| 06:16.24 | Tellico | bob2: but the user still gets permission denied when tries to write to that location |
| 06:16.24 | chance2105 | One of them, apparently, is 'Matthew's Printer' and is a bubblejet .. hmmm |
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| 06:16.37 | phroget | Does anyone know if d-i would install a kernel higher than 2.4.22 (i think it's 22) if i installed unstable instead of testing? Has any of Debian migrated beyond 2.4.22? |
| 06:16.37 | rdancer | chance2105: go & abuse them ;) |
| 06:16.38 | The_Vulture | chance2105: did you ever have it installed before? do you have any network accessible printers? |
| 06:16.41 | cirion | can anyone msg me the output of "apt-cache showpkg xprt-xprintorg", please ? |
| 06:16.41 | w0wie | with debian you can mix the sources around? |
| 06:16.49 | The_Vulture | just print a message asking someone to post it back to you |
| 06:16.57 | chance2105 | rdancer: Ha, I have half a mind to do it |
| 06:17.02 | rdancer | chance2105: don't forget to setup a titlepage, so they know who are they printing for ;) |
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| 06:17.34 | andr3w__ | The_Vulture: I ran Sid previously but some ppl here were saying that testing or a mixture of testing and sid was a better option? |
| 06:17.56 | The_Vulture | duno who or why, so far as I know, mixing just makes more problems, not less |
| 06:18.01 | chance2105 | The_Vulture: Yes and no. I just --purged it and reinstalled cupsys and cupsys-bsd. |
| 06:18.16 | andr3w__ | then I heard i t created more problems |
| 06:18.24 | bob2 | Tellico: are they actually in that group? what does "ls -ld /var/www" print out? |
| 06:18.44 | andr3w__ | The_Vulture: which one would you suggest? |
| 06:18.46 | bob2 | w0wie: "mix the sources around"? |
| 06:19.05 | chance2105 | The_Vulture: And the answer to your first question: No, my local printer should not be accessible to the network. |
| 06:19.08 | helix | bob2: like a drink |
| 06:19.11 | The_Vulture | andr3w__: I'd be hesitant to suggest anything, but I use plain sid |
| 06:19.22 | n6tadam | Shaken, not stirred. |
| 06:19.37 | The_Vulture | chance2105: I didn't ask if it should be, well I shoudl rephrase "are there any network accessible printers on the network you are on?" |
| 06:19.42 | beta3 | bob2: I hope I don't end up coming home with another computer tomorrow |
| 06:19.45 | jetscreamer | bond. james bond. |
| 06:19.55 | beta3 | bob2: big computer show, cheap stuff, like brand new complete pcs for 150 |
| 06:19.56 | helix | beta3: so do we |
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| 06:20.09 | n6tadam | helix ;) |
| 06:20.09 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:20.11 | chance2105 | The_Vulture: Yes, there are. At least, I'd assume so -- this is a University. |
| 06:20.14 | bob2 | helix: a VERY stiff one |
| 06:20.20 | helix | heh |
| 06:20.21 | The_Vulture | chance2105: sounds like abuse is in order |
| 06:20.23 | helix | ahem. |
| 06:20.46 | beta3 | bob2: my list for items are, a new usb optical mouse, new monitor, dvd rw burner, and a UPS |
| 06:20.55 | chance2105 | The_Vulture: Brings up interesting thoughts on my own security tho |
| 06:20.57 | jetscreamer | Screamer. Jet Screamer. |
| 06:20.58 | The_Vulture | "Hi your printer is network accessible to anyone on the campus who wants to use it, please deliver this print out to < ... >" or something |
| 06:21.04 | jetscreamer | nah, didn't work |
| 06:21.07 | helix | jetscreamer: are you still atkinsing? |
| 06:21.18 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 06:21.23 | helix | !spank bob2 |
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| 06:21.46 | beta3 | ~lart bob2 and helix for being idiots |
| 06:21.49 | jetscreamer | more like parkinsoning |
| 06:22.02 | helix | !kill beta3 for being a spoiled brat |
| 06:22.04 | jetscreamer | or alztheimer'sing |
| 06:22.11 | bob2 | beta3: me, idiot? you BOUGHT A DUAL OPTERON. |
| 06:22.17 | helix | haha |
| 06:22.30 | beta3 | bob2: FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 06:22.52 | beta3 | bob2: why is that idiotic? |
| 06:23.08 | journey | when i query the apt-bot with a find, does it search all available versions? |
| 06:23.24 | helix | cirion: ask your question.. and put down the trout |
| 06:23.26 | n6tadam | journey you can tell it to be specific |
| 06:23.33 | bob2 | s/idiot/jealousy-inspiring/ |
| 06:23.49 | Laufer | bob2 lol |
| 06:23.57 | cirion | helix: can you /msg me the output of "apt-cache showpkg xprt-xprintorg", please ? |
| 06:24.33 | helix | cirion: sure |
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| 06:24.58 | andr3w__ | The_Vulture: I might go back to sid, is there a special mirror site I should add to my sources.list to apt-get kernel 2.6? |
| 06:24.58 | jetscreamer | please, move away, from the trout |
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| 06:25.18 | chance2105 | By default, does CUPS refuse outside connections? |
| 06:25.25 | rdancer | chance2105: no |
| 06:25.31 | beta3 | chance2105: no |
| 06:25.37 | helix | loan bill? |
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| 06:25.55 | The_Vulture | andr3w__: no, any sid source would have it |
| 06:25.55 | beta3 | everybody has loans |
| 06:26.01 | helix | i don't |
| 06:26.13 | beta3 | helix: you have a morgage then |
| 06:26.22 | helix | beta3: nope |
| 06:26.27 | helix | beta3: i have no debt whatsoever |
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| 06:26.42 | journey | does anyone here use synce-kde(for connecting ipaq to linux)? I installed the debian package on my system(sarge). All the documentation refers to using synce-serial-config and synce-serial-start to connect, but those files are nowhere to be found in debian |
| 06:26.43 | beta3 | helix: thats pretty amazing, since 90 percent of americans are in debt |
| 06:26.49 | helix | beta3: indeed it is :) |
| 06:26.50 | zeeble | i will run up one after i get this digi cam, on buying lenses |
| 06:27.07 | beta3 | helix: 80 percent of them are credit card debt |
| 06:27.23 | helix | beta3: i don't have credit cards |
| 06:27.32 | beta3 | helix: then you have no credit |
| 06:27.48 | helix | beta3: you're a smart young man |
| 06:27.51 | helix | i do have a cell phone.. |
| 06:28.10 | beta3 | I wonder if I build credit with my mac card that is also a mastercard |
| 06:28.24 | helix | um |
| 06:28.29 | w0wie | how do i set the date? |
| 06:28.43 | rdancer | man date?? |
| 06:28.47 | rdancer | just mmmmaybe?? |
| 06:28.47 | beta3 | w0wie: apt-get install ntpdate; ntpdate time.nist.gov |
| 06:28.53 | helix | w0wie: man date and look into ntpdate |
| 06:29.02 | beta3 | helix: a step ahead of you |
| 06:29.16 | helix | beta3: yeah.. and still not proving much |
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| 06:30.17 | w0wie | with ntpdate how do i get that time and date to set as the system time |
| 06:30.34 | zeeble | by reading teh manpage |
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| 06:31.44 | Twitching_Fool | ntpdate sets the time automatically on my boxen |
| 06:31.56 | w0wie | i am it don't make sence |
| 06:32.04 | arke | how can I "safely |
| 06:32.05 | phroget | ntpdate... does it do it from the netwrok? |
| 06:32.15 | arke | how can I "safely" repartition a mounted partition? |
| 06:32.22 | Justin_ | phroget: guess what the n stands for |
| 06:32.23 | w0wie | ahhh i got it |
| 06:32.32 | phroget | Justin_: word =) |
| 06:32.57 | rubberpaw | arke: explain... |
| 06:33.07 | rubberpaw | phroget: yeah. it'll get it from a timeserver |
| 06:33.18 | arke | I got a suse installation, and I need to repartition it to install debian alongside it. |
| 06:33.28 | arke | but I don't want to reboot or anything |
| 06:33.33 | phroget | hehe... cool. my laptop insists on resetting the date to 1980 everytime i turn it on |
| 06:33.37 | rubberpaw | and you want to do it while Linux is running? |
| 06:33.50 | beta3 | helix: you should get a credit card, and buy shoes with it, make your payments on time, it will build credit |
| 06:33.53 | arke | yep ^__^ |
| 06:33.53 | rubberpaw | that's tough. your bios might not like that |
| 06:34.01 | rubberpaw | how are you going to run Debian if you're not going to reboot? |
| 06:34.05 | rubberpaw | chroot? |
| 06:34.10 | arke | yeah |
| 06:34.13 | helix | beta3: why shoes? |
| 06:34.16 | arke | once I got it running, I plan to reboot |
| 06:34.18 | andr3w__ | The_Vulture: ok thnks |
| 06:34.20 | wethion_ | phroget: your cmos battery is dead.. |
| 06:34.24 | beta3 | helix: it was just an example of a low cost item |
| 06:34.25 | helix | beta3: i know how to build credit.. i just haven't done so |
| 06:34.32 | rubberpaw | how are you planning on installing? |
| 06:35.02 | arke | the no-down-time way |
| 06:35.19 | arke | debootstrap, according to teh howto |
| 06:35.22 | beta3 | helix: if you had some, your car insurance would go down |
| 06:35.23 | rubberpaw | ahh. |
| 06:35.33 | rubberpaw | hmm, what partition type you running in SuSe? |
| 06:35.37 | beta3 | that is if you have a car |
| 06:35.38 | helix | beta3: my car insurance is pretty cheap already |
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| 06:35.44 | helix | !tell falco about away |
| 06:36.06 | arke | rubberpaw: reiser, which is what makes it so painful.. |
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| 06:36.38 | w0wie | how can i get my system when i start it up to automatically run ntpdate? |
| 06:36.40 | rubberpaw | arke: I don't know if |
| 06:36.42 | rubberpaw | it's possible |
| 06:36.47 | patfm | so during my ill-fated apt-get upgrade, some sort of curses interface came up... was that dselect? |
| 06:36.48 | rubberpaw | I haven't looked lately |
| 06:36.52 | rubberpaw | but Reiser didn't use to be resizable |
| 06:36.53 | journey | w0wie: put it in cron |
| 06:36.58 | helix | patfm: not necessarily.. |
| 06:37.01 | journey | w0wie: @REBOOT ntpdate blah |
| 06:37.16 | helix | patfm: some applications bring up a curses interface when they reconfigure themselves during an update |
| 06:37.31 | journey | w0wie: or you could follow /etc/init.d/skeleton, and create an init.d script for it, but thats fairly overkill |
| 06:37.35 | patfm | helix: hmm. i'm pretty flummoxed at this point. |
| 06:37.41 | rubberpaw | doublechecking, arke ... |
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| 06:38.26 | rubberpaw | I take that back.... |
| 06:38.52 | arke | rubberpaw: its resizable? coolness! |
| 06:39.00 | w0wie | journey: what manual should i read to learn about cron |
| 06:39.12 | rubberpaw | find the reiserfsprogs |
| 06:39.15 | chris` | man cron |
| 06:39.17 | n6tadam | w0wie man 5 crontab |
| 06:39.18 | chris` | man crontab |
| 06:39.18 | rubberpaw | and run resize_reiserfs |
| 06:39.24 | cirion | dumb question: how can I reopen http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=226626 ? the thunderbird maintainer seems to be on drugs... |
| 06:39.39 | rubberpaw | only resizes unmounted partitions |
| 06:39.47 | arke | ack |
| 06:40.04 | arke | then i would have to reboot :( |
| 06:40.14 | rubberpaw | probably |
| 06:40.17 | rubberpaw | looking at other solutions... |
| 06:40.43 | arke | finally gathering enough money to buy a long-overdue harddrive? |
| 06:40.46 | arke | :) |
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| 06:41.38 | rubberpaw | you can try it |
| 06:41.46 | rubberpaw | but it looks like you can only grow the partition while mounted |
| 06:41.56 | arke | :( |
| 06:42.01 | rubberpaw | how much of your data is critical? |
| 06:42.11 | rubberpaw | ie, can you back up? |
| 06:42.12 | arke | not much, really... |
| 06:42.27 | arke | well, i guess I could make a tarball of the things that _really_ are important |
| 06:42.30 | rubberpaw | have a good net connection? |
| 06:43.09 | rubberpaw | suggestion. Step #1. Backup. Step #2 make some Debian install disks (floppies for netinstall). #3 Print netinstall instructions #4 try to resize the partition live using resize_reiserfs or parted |
| 06:43.26 | rubberpaw | if it works, debootstrap. If not, install from netinstall floppy |
| 06:43.36 | rubberpaw | you'll want the bootimage, the floppy_image, and the net module disk |
| 06:44.08 | arke | will the net module disk have prism2? |
| 06:45.32 | rubberpaw | hmm. check |
| 06:45.38 | rubberpaw | actually, let me check.... I hav eone right here |
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| 06:45.44 | LandStile | help kept back |
| 06:45.48 | rubberpaw | (roots around for his floppy drive) |
| 06:46.01 | LandStile | how do i request help from the bot? about 'kept back' packages. |
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| 06:46.44 | weiye | hey, I bewared one of my package is updated, how to get the change log of the pkg? thx! |
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| 06:46.59 | The_Vulture | weiye: consider using apt-listchanges |
| 06:47.12 | w0wie | with cron where do i where do i write the command to do the job? |
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| 06:47.37 | Twitching_Fool | alright, despite my best efforts, i cant get alt-<num> to work in irssi in eterm, anyone know how to fix this? (and yes i asked/ing in #e) |
| 06:47.51 | The_Vulture | if you just want to view the changelog after installing/updating, you can look in /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.* |
| 06:48.07 | The_Vulture | Twitching_Fool: works fine for me in Eterm (in blackbox) |
| 06:48.19 | weiye | The_Vulture: Can I view it before the upgrade? |
| 06:48.19 | Twitching_Fool | The_Vulture: woody? |
| 06:48.25 | The_Vulture | it did when I was using woody, yes |
| 06:48.30 | The_Vulture | weiye: with apt-listchanges |
| 06:48.34 | Twitching_Fool | hmm |
| 06:48.39 | weiye | The_VultureL thanks! |
| 06:48.51 | Twitching_Fool | i can normally just edit user.cfg and fix it, but i cant get it this time :/ |
| 06:49.25 | phroget | holy ntpdate batman, i never thought i'd see the correct system time on my box =) |
| 06:50.01 | chance2105 | CUPS: /etc/cupsd.conf with the lines 'Deny From All' and 'Allow From 127.0.0.1' -- is this effective to block all print requests from the outside network? |
| 06:50.12 | cirion | How can I reopen http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=226626 ? the thunderbird maintainer seems to be on drugs and I cannot print from Thunderbird anything beyond english text... |
| 06:51.18 | chance2105 | I hate the idea of CUPS listening on a port. Would it be better to just .. try using for-reals BSD-style lpr without CUPS? |
| 06:51.19 | w0wie | what file do i write a cron command to? |
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| 06:51.43 | The_Vulture | w0wie: man cron && man crontab |
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| 06:51.56 | The_Vulture | chance2105: don't you have a firewall? |
| 06:52.24 | chance2105 | The_Vulture: I do, and it's functioning. I'm anal-retentive. |
| 06:52.39 | rdancer | chance2105: lpd listens to the world as well, iirc |
| 06:52.50 | The_Vulture | your question is irrelevent if you have a firewall |
| 06:53.12 | chance2105 | The_Vulture: I have services that do hang outside. That's why the care. |
| 06:53.29 | The_Vulture | so you just explicitly open those ports as appropriate.. *shrugs* |
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| 06:53.36 | rdancer | The_Vulture: sometimes the firewall is torn down... |
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| 06:54.17 | chance2105 | The_Vulture: This one time, in band camp ... |
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| 06:54.39 | dli | apt-get got dead cycles with unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory |
| 06:55.18 | dli | strange thing, "no such file" should not be a reason for "unable to creat" |
| 06:55.22 | dli | create |
| 06:55.22 | rubberpaw | arke: still looking... |
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| 06:55.49 | arke | Well, I think I'll just buy a HD tomorrow. |
| 06:56.11 | dli | how to recover the apt-get system? |
| 06:56.20 | bob2 | dli: it means /usr/X11R6/lib/ doesn't exist |
| 06:56.31 | bob2 | dli: you're using shit pacages from outside Debian, bug whoeever made them |
| 06:56.42 | rubberpaw | arke: can't find a list. That would prolly be the wisest choice |
| 06:56.45 | dli | bob2: it does |
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| 06:57.01 | bob2 | then paste the actual error to #flood then |
| 06:57.08 | bob2 | nstead of some half-assed paraphrase |
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| 06:57.22 | dli | anna-bhat:/usr/X11R6/lib# pwd |
| 06:57.22 | dli | /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 06:57.33 | rubberpaw | arke: does the prism work with the hermes driver? |
| 06:57.42 | bob2 | that's nice |
| 06:57.45 | bob2 | 17:57:01 bob2 | then paste the actual error to #flood then |
| 06:57.46 | rubberpaw | if so, yes. The driver is there |
| 06:58.43 | rubberpaw | bbiab |
| 06:58.43 | argonel | arke: about your "no down-time" debian installation.. what about uml? |
| 06:58.47 | dli | bob2 : I couldn't remove the xlibmesa3-gl package either, apt-get just tells me to run "apt-get -f install", which would break down |
| 06:58.56 | bob2 | blahblahblah |
| 06:59.05 | bob2 | where are these packages from? |
| 06:59.31 | dli | bob2: apt-get from debian.uchicago.edu, just one standard mirror |
| 06:59.42 | bob2 | it's an actual mirror? |
| 06:59.49 | bob2 | not some broken backport? |
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| 06:59.55 | dli | bob2: I think so. :( |
| 06:59.59 | bob2 | what does "dpkg -l xlibmesa3-gl" say? |
| 07:00.05 | bob2 | you're using stable, right? |
| 07:01.05 | dli | bob2 : I put all output to #flood |
| 07:01.10 | dli | bob2: testing |
| 07:01.42 | LandStile | how do i list all kept-back packages? |
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| 07:01.46 | arke | argonel: whats uml? |
| 07:01.57 | n6tadam | fucking bitchX, I *told* it not to display messages to the room |
| 07:02.03 | argonel | arke: user-mode linux |
| 07:02.03 | bob2 | LandStile: dpkg --get-seelctions | grep hold |
| 07:02.08 | bob2 | n6tadam: use a proper IRCclient then |
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| 07:02.14 | bob2 | dli: file a bug if you're sure your disk is ok |
| 07:02.19 | n6tadam | bob2: yeah, yeah... |
| 07:02.21 | argonel | arke: http://www.megahosted.com/~en/papers/uml-debian-mini.html |
| 07:02.55 | n6tadam | bob2: that is in the eye of the $USER and as ${OPINION} is not defined yet..... |
| 07:03.07 | bob2 | n6tadam: bitchx is objectively crap |
| 07:03.13 | dli | bob2: that serious? |
| 07:03.29 | argonel | arke: look at rootstrap as well |
| 07:03.41 | bob2 | dli: ? |
| 07:03.45 | n6tadam | bob2: why? What is it that you dislike about it? |
| 07:03.58 | argonel | arke: although i guess rootstrap might be useless if you're not on debian already |
| 07:04.13 | dli | bob2: what I want is a working apt-get, even if the said package is cursed. |
| 07:04.15 | LandStile | thanks. |
| 07:04.24 | bob2 | n6tadam: stupid defaults. stupid quit messages. horrible scripting language. 95% of users are kiddies. |
| 07:04.33 | bob2 | dli: that's nice. I'd like a pony. |
| 07:04.36 | n6tadam | hmm, point taken. |
| 07:05.14 | De_Mon | bob2 what color? |
| 07:05.17 | bob2 | n6tadam: etc. if you were using irssi-text, then it automatically creates a new window for a new channel. typing in that window goes only to that channel. |
| 07:05.23 | bob2 | De_Mon: purple. with sequins. |
| 07:05.29 | bob2 | dli: purge that package then |
| 07:05.33 | De_Mon | bob2 okay, goodluck with that |
| 07:05.39 | n6tadam | bob2: this is the GTK version of bitchX. |
| 07:05.57 | dli | bob2: I couldn't purge either. :( |
| 07:05.59 | bob2 | n6tadam: hehehehehehe |
| 07:06.06 | n6tadam | bob2: :) |
| 07:06.15 | arke | n6tadam: irssi :) |
| 07:06.17 | bob2 | dli: run debsums |
| 07:06.24 | bob2 | dli: I suspect your disk has been fux0red |
| 07:06.33 | n6tadam | arke yep, used it already |
| 07:06.34 | bob2 | unless some idiot has been deleting files for no reason |
| 07:07.06 | Rza`` | http://drunkboston.com/kavadesktopfucku.jpg |
| 07:07.09 | Rza`` | hot shit |
| 07:07.18 | dli | bob2: I have more confidence with the HDD :( |
| 07:07.25 | bob2 | dli: run debsums |
| 07:07.43 | bob2 | dli: if you're using testing, it's EXTREMELY unlikely you've hit such an obvious packaging bug |
| 07:07.58 | n6tadam | well, seeing as this client sucks, time for a new one... |
| 07:08.19 | thomas_adam | heh |
| 07:08.32 | Rza`` | anyone familiar w/ running dw under wine? |
| 07:08.35 | dli | bob2: I remember in old days, you can comment out the configuration scripts, and then, no mistake at all. |
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| 07:08.48 | Rza`` | installing trial cxoffice now |
| 07:08.53 | Rza`` | see if that does shit better |
| 07:08.53 | arke | Well, I guess I'm gonna have to do a floppy install then... |
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| 07:09.02 | ezra | crossover is great rza |
| 07:09.04 | ezra | qw |
| 07:09.10 | bob2 | dli: that's not the problem here |
| 07:09.11 | dli | you don't care about several broken files. a reinstall should clean it out. |
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| 07:11.07 | dli | bob2: is there any simple way for me to recover from this? |
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| 07:12.19 | dli | bob2: I just ran "dpkg -c" ./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 is within the package. why would it complain about it being missing. |
| 07:12.24 | Rza`` | ezra, i'm running cxsetup right now |
| 07:12.50 | Rza`` | is there a way i can tell the installer to install multiple apps/fonts simultaneously |
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| 07:15.01 | bob2 | dli: OMG A FILE IN THE PACKAGE BUT NOT ON YOUR DISK? |
| 07:15.07 | bob2 | dli: maybe your disk ate it? run debsums. |
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| 07:15.34 | zakame | hello again from the public drop box! |
| 07:16.28 | dli | bob2: debsums is a package ? |
| 07:16.38 | zakame | !debsums |
| 07:17.17 | De_Mon | Justin_ ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/faq.html#SEC2 says ffserver doesnt work, and its not working for me :) when was the last time you used it? |
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| 07:18.47 | dli | bob2: installed, running |
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| 07:23.27 | zakame | damn a lot of leaves... |
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| 07:24.21 | Toolah | I am having problems getting the sound working on my Thinkpad 380ED laptop with CS4236 sound chip. Google pointed me to alsa-modules-bf2.4 (kernal I am running) but apt-cache search alsa-modules only returned modules for alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-386 etc. should I compile a new kernel (DANGER Will Robinson!) or try and find my snd-card-cd4236 module for my kernel and load that? |
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| 07:25.07 | w0wie | what are some good msn clients for debian? |
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| 07:25.28 | xerophyte | I am kind of color blind for blue color in black, can somebody tell me where can i change the color hilights for the shell? |
| 07:25.29 | Rza`` | trying to play a windows game called icytower under wine/cxoffice |
| 07:25.40 | Rza`` | it works under both but i've no keyboard support - any suggestions |
| 07:26.02 | clinfix | Rza``:#winex |
| 07:26.56 | zakame | Toolah : try doing that find, then if it doesn't work, make a kernel... |
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| 07:27.10 | guk | crontab keeps sending e-mails to my localhost about cron's that have completed ... how do I tell crontab to stop sending me stupid e-mails every 5 minutes |
| 07:27.16 | zakame | w0wie : gaim |
| 07:27.47 | zakame | guk : amn crontab |
| 07:27.54 | zakame | ^amn^man |
| 07:28.06 | guk | I looked ... it mentions about it sending e-mail ... but no solution on how to stop it |
| 07:28.44 | thomas_adam | guk: man 5 crontab |
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| 07:28.56 | zakame | guk : it depends on the cron job... look for the cron job sending you that email, then shut it up... |
| 07:29.12 | guk | it's crontab sending e-mail about fetchmail |
| 07:29.23 | guk | and how it "completed" properly |
| 07:29.24 | dli | bob2: there? |
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| 07:29.45 | w0wie | zakame: msn isn't workin in gaim for me |
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| 07:30.08 | Rza`` | my desktop's so fuckin niceeee |
| 07:30.11 | guk | w0wie: you need mozilla installed with mozilla-nss |
| 07:30.12 | zakame | w0wie : i works for me... |
| 07:30.21 | Rza`` | http://drunkboston.com/kavadesktopfucku.jpg |
| 07:30.22 | Rza`` | woowoo |
| 07:30.26 | w0wie | guk: why do i need that for? |
| 07:30.32 | zakame | Rza`` : show it here in #debian (aalib of course) |
| 07:30.37 | guk | w0wie: MSN now uses SSL or somthing ... and that lets it connect |
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| 07:30.47 | w0wie | guk: ok thanx |
| 07:31.01 | w0wie | does anyone know of any FTP clients that use TLS? |
| 07:31.16 | guk | gftp prolly |
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| 07:31.25 | zakame | guk : then you might want to try looking at fetchmail... |
| 07:31.25 | zeeble | Rza`` you fsckin rascal! my little cousin was right beside me when i opened that screenshot |
| 07:31.42 | guk | zakame: naw ... it says to put some command and it will stop it |
| 07:31.45 | guk | i'll see in 5 minutes |
| 07:31.58 | Rza`` | hm |
| 07:32.07 | zakame | Rza`` : niceeee! ;-D |
| 07:32.11 | Rza`` | what makes cxoffice better than wine |
| 07:32.25 | zeeble | Rza`` painless. |
| 07:32.39 | zeeble | Rza`` it works pretty well. |
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| 07:32.41 | Rza`` | zeeble, is cxoffice better perofmring too? |
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| 07:32.54 | Rza`` | so far i've seen no difference in capability |
| 07:32.54 | zakame | guk : try dpkg-reconfigure fetchmail |
| 07:32.54 | guk | upgrade won't install packages that need new packages |
| 07:32.59 | guk | and dist-upgrade will |
| 07:33.05 | Rza`` | but i've yet to try dm under cxoffice |
| 07:33.05 | guk | zakame: it's not fetchmail ... it's cron |
| 07:33.07 | sandman | noflushd+ext3=functional? |
| 07:33.16 | zeeble | Rza`` performing as in? wine and cxoffice both use the same set of apis |
| 07:33.16 | kreg | guk: ok |
| 07:33.25 | Rza`` | oh |
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| 07:33.32 | sandman | Or are the kernel hooks for ext3 still not there, so noflushd might work properly with it.. |
| 07:33.33 | Rza`` | so cxoffice is nothing better? |
| 07:33.36 | zakame | kreg : upgrade does you a safe upgrade, keeping some packages back (w/c might just break)... |
| 07:33.40 | Rza`` | just had an ez 2 use inferface |
| 07:33.48 | zakame | guk : you sure? |
| 07:33.52 | zeeble | Rza`` if you can config wine, then fine. |
| 07:34.07 | guk | zakame: the e-mail IS from root@solosoft telling me about how cron finished the job sucsessfully |
| 07:34.08 | zeeble | Rza`` i did'nt want to take the trouble, so i bought a cxoffice license. |
| 07:34.12 | zakame | Rza`` : can you show me some more??? |
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| 07:34.41 | zakame | guk: what job, exactly? |
| 07:34.53 | guk | just to run "fetchmail" |
| 07:35.18 | zakame | guk: you probably have fetchmail running as a systemwide process... |
| 07:36.11 | Rza`` | and what's winex? |
| 07:36.11 | guk | zakame: naw ... I got debian sending me e-mail when shit happens |
| 07:36.20 | Rza`` | same thing as wine w/ direct x support 4 gaming? |
| 07:36.25 | guk | Envelope-to: root@Solosoft |
| 07:36.25 | guk | From: Cron Daemon <root@Solosoft> |
| 07:36.25 | guk | To: root@Solosoft |
| 07:36.25 | guk | Subject: Cron <root@Solosoft> fetchmail |
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| 07:36.35 | zakame | guk: now that's really strange... |
| 07:36.59 | tomZet | Hi, I was wondering if I can do a make oldconfig with a 2.4 config file in a 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:37.01 | Rza`` | i definitely like cxoffice's bonuses |
| 07:37.08 | Rza`` | quick, easy font installations |
| 07:37.13 | zakame | guk : an' don't flood, just put in the subject instead... |
| 07:37.17 | guk | I told my system to do that ... but I want crontab to shutup |
| 07:37.24 | guk | it's quite nifty |
| 07:37.29 | zakame | tomZet : probably. |
| 07:37.33 | guk | tells me about HDD space being low ... or broken simlinks |
| 07:37.34 | guk | etc etc |
| 07:38.23 | tomZet | zakame, thanx |
| 07:38.27 | zakame | guk : that on a fetchmail crontab? now that's strange... perhaps you're using logcheck... |
| 07:38.35 | guk | I am ... |
| 07:38.41 | guk | I think I got it |
| 07:38.51 | guk | MAILTO="" tells it don't e-mail no one |
| 07:39.50 | zakame | guk : oic, if you have logcheck, then that's the case... I have it installed too in my homebox... though at times it's too verbose, i like it... |
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| 07:40.01 | guk | same here |
| 07:40.07 | guk | always good to know my systems watching out for me |
| 07:40.16 | sandman | how to make noflushd play well with ext3 in kernel 2.6.1? |
| 07:40.17 | zakame | for those bored : http://zakame.spunge.org/oldstuff/shots/Screenshot.png |
| 07:40.39 | zakame | guk: yeah :) |
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| 07:42.10 | zakame | hello newbodies! |
| 07:42.32 | zeeble | zakame does'nt AA fonts in the console look a bit weird? |
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| 07:43.38 | zakame | zeeble : yep, especially when I last upgraded to gnome 44... it brought ttf-bitstream-vera with it, now it looks kinda strange... but I also kinda like it... |
| 07:43.43 | guk | hmm ... now I need exim to use another SMTP server for sending ... I need it to use my ISP's ... since my ISP won't let me use anything but theres :( |
| 07:43.52 | zeke | is there a way to transfer debian from one hard drive to another? |
| 07:43.59 | samhob | dd |
| 07:44.05 | zeeble | zakame try put some fonts like nexus or zaber. |
| 07:44.08 | samhob | it copies all the disk i think |
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| 07:44.26 | zeke | samhob: but then root won't mount right. |
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| 07:44.30 | Splatt | yoyo |
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| 07:44.37 | Splatt | 00:04.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586B PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) <- do any special drivers need to be enabled to make that controller mount the root partiton (dont want a kernel panic.. im re-doing a kernwel remotely) |
| 07:44.39 | Rza`` | dw mx 2004, known to run under cxoffice, isn't installing |
| 07:45.04 | Rza`` | installion begins, then complains about the os |
| 07:45.12 | zakame | zeke : assuming your debian's in /dev/hda1 (mounted as /) and your dest's at /dev/hda2 (mounted as /dest), them the ff might work: |
| 07:45.20 | zeeble | Rza`` if you have a licensed dw mx 2004, you should'nt really be installing it on linux with cxoffice. |
| 07:45.30 | samhob | i have a problem: i have cimpiled my 2.4.22 with scsi usb-storage etc.. support , but when modprobeing usb-storage for my external usb disk, the system crashes. i need to reset any ideas ? |
| 07:45.38 | zakame | (cd / && tar cf -) | (cd /dest && tar xvfp -) |
| 07:45.57 | zakame | zeeble : where can I get those? |
| 07:46.06 | zeeble | zakame the fonts? |
| 07:46.10 | Rza`` | zeeble, it's the trial |
| 07:46.27 | zeeble | Rza`` hmm, well good luck |
| 07:46.30 | zakame | zeeble : yeah... |
| 07:46.31 | Rza`` | ... |
| 07:47.03 | samhob | why do my system crahsh when : modprobe usb-sotorage on personnal 2.4.22 |
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| 07:49.16 | zeeble | zakame http://puggy.symonds.net/~zeeble/files/ |
| 07:49.52 | Toolah | would someone please be able to help me find the alsa-modules-2.4.18-bf2.4 deb file please? |
| 07:50.03 | Toolah | which CD would it be on and where? |
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| 07:50.33 | zakame | Toolah : those ain't on the CDs... |
| 07:50.44 | zakame | zeeble : thanks! |
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| 07:52.40 | Toolah | zakame, at a loss then - try and compile my first kernel? |
| 07:53.19 | zakame | Toolah : seems that's the only way to go... nad believe me, you won't regret it... |
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| 07:53.39 | rdancer | ~tell Toolah about the real kernel |
| 07:53.52 | rdancer | ~tell rdancer about the real kernel |
| 07:54.22 | rdancer | ~tell rdancer about real kernel |
| 07:55.38 | samhob | /quit |
| 07:55.41 | samhob | and |
| 07:55.59 | samhob | /quat are on a boat /quat fells , whos on the boat? |
| 07:56.02 | rdancer | !tell rdancer about real kernel |
| 07:56.20 | Toolah | that doesn't mean anything to me. Is there a newbie howdo for comepiling a kernel in Debian? I read the FAQ on make-kpkg but otherwise very sparse. How different is Debian from the instructions that come with the 2.6.1 kernel? |
| 07:56.23 | rdancer | apt tell rdancer about real kernel |
| 07:56.42 | rdancer | apt tell Toolah about real kernel |
| 07:56.55 | rdancer | yes, thnx, zakame |
| 07:56.55 | zakame | rdancer : type this: /msg apt tell foo about bar |
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| 07:57.05 | rdancer | zakame: ah.. |
| 07:57.06 | Supaplex | apt, tell me about when gas was less then 50 cents a gallon. |
| 07:57.08 | Supaplex | :P |
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| 07:57.30 | zakame | Toolah : /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 07:57.46 | zakame | Toolah : now that's *dense* reading... |
| 07:57.50 | rdancer | Supaplex: he don't know... :(( |
| 07:58.05 | zeeble | he? |
| 07:58.09 | Supaplex | yea I kno :( |
| 07:58.09 | zeeble | is'nt apt a she? |
| 07:58.17 | zakame | Supaplex : try asking bout the time when 1 peso was equal to 1 dollar... |
| 07:58.44 | mundane | Or the Euro and dollar were equal |
| 07:59.06 | rdancer | ApEtc: ok, thnx; is there a manual page for stuff like this, and the bots in general? |
| 07:59.16 | zakame | hehe... it would be nice if apt were some sort of knowledge demigod on irc... |
| 07:59.43 | zakame | rdancer : try /msg apt help |
| 07:59.45 | rdancer | zakame: is she really she? |
| 07:59.56 | zeeble | dont think so. |
| 08:00.07 | ApEtc | rdancer: Ask the bot for help. Also, if you are asking for yourself "/msg apt factoid" is enough. You do not have to tell it to tell yourself. |
| 08:00.18 | zakame | rdancer : does it really matter? |
| 08:00.23 | zeeble | rdancer ask apt about sex? |
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| 08:00.38 | rdancer | apt, are u he or she? |
| 08:00.40 | | rdancer: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 08:00.41 | Supaplex | ~hax |
| 08:00.43 | | [hax] cool! he gives me scooby snacks and botsex! |
| 08:00.50 | zeeble | rdancer /msg apt sex? |
| 08:01.01 | Supaplex | hahaaaha |
| 08:01.04 | zakame | ~hello |
| 08:01.06 | | Howdy Bub |
| 08:01.06 | rdancer | apt, sex? |
| 08:01.07 | | get off irc you filthy pervert. |
| 08:01.11 | rdancer | lol |
| 08:01.20 | Supaplex | good bot :) |
| 08:01.26 | zakame | hehe! |
| 08:01.27 | Supaplex | ~botsnack |
| 08:01.27 | | aw, gee, Supaplex |
| 08:01.46 | rdancer | apt, sorry, but zeeble made me to do this ;-) |
| 08:01.48 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, rdancer |
| 08:02.01 | zeeble | heh |
| 08:02.12 | rdancer | apt, you are sweeeet! |
| 08:02.16 | | rdancer: I think you lost me on that one |
| 08:02.25 | zakame | hi apt! |
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| 08:05.32 | zakame | does anyone here use hsflinmodem? |
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| 08:07.28 | zakame | damn more leaves... |
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| 08:09.24 | zakame | more exits... |
| 08:09.40 | karsten | Anyone know if it's possible to work out ASNs through WHOIS queries on IPs? |
| 08:09.50 | Supaplex | asn? |
| 08:09.56 | zakame | asn? |
| 08:10.09 | Supaplex | ~asn |
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| 08:11.11 | Rick | can someone help me on gpg |
| 08:11.37 | Nurbs | abstract syntax notations? :) |
| 08:12.37 | mike_ | hello. i'm installing debian testing for the first time. i installed apache2 (apache2-mpm-prefork) but all documents it's serving are 0-byte in length. any idea what the problem might be? |
| 08:13.26 | karsten | mike_: Logs? Non-daemon mode output? |
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| 08:13.59 | mike_ | logs look clean - getting 200's on the docs. wget says "Connection closed at byte 0. Retrying." |
| 08:14.18 | mike_ | how woudl i get non-daemon mode output? |
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| 08:15.55 | ezra | by starting apache but not forking into daemon mode |
| 08:16.05 | ezra | and then watching the output go by the screen |
| 08:16.06 | iscsi | Is it possible / recommended to change log-output of cronjob? Curenly it's all in syslog and getting little full, if there's cronjob every few min running... |
| 08:16.30 | ezra | it's possible yes iscsi |
| 08:16.32 | ezra | :) |
| 08:16.37 | iscsi | how |
| 08:16.38 | iscsi | ? |
| 08:16.42 | ezra | sec i'll check |
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| 08:16.51 | iscsi | in crontab I saw no log-output line... |
| 08:17.29 | karsten | mike_: RTFM. Command switch on the daemon. |
| 08:17.47 | holycow | wow |
| 08:17.50 | rdancer | iscsi: cron logs every crontab it runs, itself |
| 08:17.55 | holycow | leaving las vegas is one of the best movies ever |
| 08:18.02 | ezra | iscsi: just put this at the end of your cronjob ---> w>/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 08:18.04 | ezra | sorry |
| 08:18.07 | ezra | iscsi: just put this at the end of your cronjob ---> >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 08:18.09 | rdancer | holycow: hi, nicolas cage? |
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| 08:18.26 | zakame | what do you do when libpam0g breaks? |
| 08:18.27 | holycow | rdancer, hey :) yeah thats the one |
| 08:18.33 | Wyzard | mike_: Most daemons have a command-line option you can give them which says "run in the foreground for debugging purposes rather than going into the background as a daemon". The manpage will tell you what that option is for a particular program (such as apache) |
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| 08:18.59 | rdancer | holycow: yeh, supergood :-)) |
| 08:19.08 | ezra | iscsi: i don't know how to do it globally like you're talking about doing, only the way i showed you which is for each job individually |
| 08:19.15 | holycow | acting was fantastic, story amazing, the ending perfect |
| 08:19.27 | holycow | directing superb, lighting spot on, etc etc :) |
| 08:19.37 | rdancer | ezra, iscsi : it's some syslog weeding conffile, i shall look |
| 08:19.42 | iscsi | ezra: '>/dev/null' should be output in dev/null, but what's '2>&1'? |
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| 08:20.02 | mike_ | shi |
| 08:20.03 | mike_ | shit |
| 08:20.39 | david | anyone using wireless with linux firewall/NAT at home? I'm interested in setting this up. |
| 08:20.52 | ezra | iscsi: it ends it there |
| 08:21.07 | iscsi | david: there's good HOWTO on tldp.org |
| 08:21.34 | rdancer | david: mini-howto, with out-of-the-box one-liner :-)) |
| 08:21.42 | iscsi | firewall/NAT based on iptables (2.4+ kernel, ipv4) |
| 08:21.48 | david | iscsi: can I ask if you were able to use it to set it up? |
| 08:21.55 | astralis | What does this mean, user not authorized to start the X server??? |
| 08:22.08 | david | I've already got firewall/NAT setup with wired LAN |
| 08:22.27 | marinos | anybody knows a good voice communication program (with a Mic...) ? |
| 08:22.29 | iscsi | david: HOWTO teaches you how to use. You must reconfigure for your own LAN |
| 08:23.05 | david | Was that a yes? |
| 08:23.11 | astralis | Is there some literature on the net where I can check how to configure debian sarge? |
| 08:23.26 | Wyzard | astralis: I don't remember what package asks this, but one of the debconf questions for one of the X packages asks you who should be allowed to start X: root only, console users only, or anyone (even people logged in remotely) |
| 08:23.28 | iscsi | david: if you will understand iptables, yes |
| 08:23.43 | Wyzard | astralis: The setting is kept in one of the files in /etc/X11, I think. |
| 08:23.48 | mike_ | ok, it appears to be /usr/sbin/apache2 -X |
| 08:23.58 | astralis | Wyzard, I'll look into that, thanks |
| 08:24.06 | mike_ | i ran it, then accessed the server, same errors, no output to console |
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| 08:26.24 | mike_ | join #apache |
| 08:26.35 | astralis | X won't start even if I login as root. |
| 08:26.54 | astralis | And people say slackware is complicated:))) |
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| 08:27.02 | david | may be I can clarify... is anyone using a linux webserver (wired desktop)at home along with wireless lan, with windows clients (i.e. windows laptops)? |
| 08:27.34 | david | I don't need to get linux wireless card working... just curious about how wireless router interacts with linux webserver |
| 08:29.00 | mike_ | could the problem come from using apache2 on testing? |
| 08:29.03 | mperry | david: I do that |
| 08:29.05 | rdancer | david: it looks like ethernet to the software; at least it should be... |
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| 08:30.43 | mike_ | hello. i'm trying to get apache2 on debian working. accessing the server with wget gives: "Connection closed at byte 0. Retrying." log files look ok (ie status code is 200 on the served documents). any idea why it seems to close the connection before actually sending the data? |
| 08:31.09 | david | I just found *the* howto I've been looking for. It's actually just under revieew and not officially released yet. And its not the wireless howto that's currently out there |
| 08:31.31 | david | mperry: what hardware are you using? |
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| 08:33.36 | david | mperry: are you still there? |
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| 08:36.45 | rdancer | ezra, iscsi : i can't find it; but i'm almost sure there is something in /etc to exclude syslog messages matching specified regexp |
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| 08:38.40 | david | mperry: hello? |
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| 08:39.29 | iscsi | rdancer, ezra: never mind, I found the oprion "cron.* /var/log/cronlog" in syslog.conf :) |
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| 08:39.57 | iscsi | it makes a copy of all cron-output in that file |
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| 08:40.19 | mike_ | AAAAHHH FUCK IT. |
| 08:41.26 | tomZet | Hi, why does apt want to uninstal opera when installin libqt3-dev ? |
| 08:41.26 | rdancer | iscsi: but this is not much faingrained... :( |
| 08:41.56 | rdancer | iscsi: you can optionaly just grep -v through the logs |
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| 08:42.22 | david | well... looks like I shall echo mike_'s sentiments and say AAAAHHH FUCK IT! |
| 08:43.09 | rdancer | tomZet: libqt3-dev says it Conflicts with opera |
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| 08:43.17 | rdancer | tomZet: probably |
| 08:43.37 | iscsi | and I'd say AAAAHHH FUCK SUSE! |
| 08:44.22 | tomZet | rdancer, isn't that strange. I mean qt is really need. Is there a way out? |
| 08:45.13 | Rick | has anyone experienced UDE ? |
| 08:45.44 | rdancer | tomZet: ask opera maintainer |
| 08:45.52 | iscsi | my experience with suse: I wanted to edit XFree conf with emacs, and in first line of conf file: "Do not edit this file. Edit with the GUI tool YAST2". That was last time I touched a suse-box |
| 08:46.07 | Rick | he he |
| 08:46.19 | Rick | suse tries calling itself userfriendly. |
| 08:46.25 | tomZet | rdancer, that is opera company. they provide the deb. Ok, tahnx |
| 08:46.29 | rdancer | iscsi: well, Debian says the same... |
| 08:46.30 | Rick | but i've had bad experiences with it. |
| 08:46.42 | Rick | Debian proves what it says. |
| 08:46.44 | Rick | :-) |
| 08:46.47 | iscsi | since when Debian has YAST2 :p |
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| 08:47.28 | rdancer | tomZet: look in the dependencies, they will likely give a clue |
| 08:47.29 | Rick | guys, any idea of UDE ? |
| 08:48.11 | rdancer | ude? wtf ude? |
| 08:48.37 | Rick | better return to suse |
| 08:48.48 | Rick | ude i.e. Unix Desktop Environment. |
| 08:49.07 | rdancer | never heard of this... |
| 08:49.15 | Rick | udeproject.sourceforge.net |
| 08:49.26 | Rick | it uses the Xlibs.. |
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| 08:49.40 | Rick | no use of foreing libs like GTK or QT. |
| 08:49.47 | Rick | which makes it run faster. |
| 08:49.58 | rdancer | ah.. maybe /heard/ of ... once or twice |
| 08:50.24 | rdancer | personaly, i like athena ;-) |
| 08:50.49 | Rick | what's that ? |
| 08:50.50 | rdancer | and console -- its waaayyyy faster! |
| 08:50.57 | rdancer | ;) |
| 08:50.58 | Rick | he he :-) |
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| 08:51.03 | astralis | What version of debian should I install? |
| 08:51.18 | JefPober | astralis, the version that suits your needs |
| 08:51.20 | Nurbs | 3.0r2, woody |
| 08:51.28 | rdancer | athena widget--the wery first borders/titlebars/scrollbars/... library; form athena project, mit |
| 08:51.32 | astralis | Nurbs, The stable hu? |
| 08:51.42 | Nurbs | yes. you can still switch later on :) |
| 08:52.03 | astralis | Good, coz the one I have now is useless. |
| 08:52.08 | bucky | why wouldn't XP accept my ssl certs as being from the same source when my fqdn shows up in the IE certificate import dialog box? |
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| 08:52.24 | Nurbs | astralis: why? |
| 08:52.40 | astralis | Nurbs, It froze. |
| 08:52.49 | Nurbs | uh-huh :) |
| 08:52.54 | rdancer | astralis: when exactly does it freeze? |
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| 08:53.04 | rdancer | astralis: what hardware? |
| 08:53.12 | astralis | During package configuration |
| 08:53.23 | astralis | P2 256 ram |
| 08:53.29 | rdancer | astralis: exactly? |
| 08:54.04 | astralis | p2 400 256 ram 6.4gig hdd ati rage vga,.... |
| 08:54.25 | rdancer | astralis: exactly freezes when |
| 08:54.33 | astralis | rdancer, I don |
| 08:54.36 | dasunt | What's the tool that builds a 'deb' with a 'make' command for non-debian programs? |
| 08:54.43 | astralis | I don't know the screen goes black. |
| 08:54.45 | bucky | astralis, i would suggest getting the bf2.4 floppy images, then you get the 2.4 kernel and a choice between ext2 or 3 or reiserfs |
| 08:55.10 | bucky | and chances are you only need two floppies |
| 08:55.11 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-downloading-files |
| 08:55.17 | rdancer | astralis: it can take up to few minutes to dpkg; the databases can grow very large => very slow. |
| 08:55.41 | astralis | I have downloaded the testi ISO from net. |
| 08:55.42 | rdancer | astralis: just let it crunch the disk, it shall de-freeze eventualy. |
| 08:56.07 | astralis | Why is the screen black? |
| 08:56.16 | astralis | It does not show any progress. |
| 08:56.43 | rdancer | dasunt: apt-get source <package>; cd <package-version>; fakeroot debian/rules binary -- in a nutshell |
| 08:56.55 | astralis | rdancer, You know what, I should chose a smaller installation. |
| 08:56.57 | dasunt | rdancer: But its not a source package from debian. |
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| 08:57.27 | rdancer | astralis: deinstall the packages you don't want. the smaller the packages db is, the faster it shall go |
| 08:57.45 | rdancer | astralis: but it should be no problem, anyway, just wait few minutes more |
| 08:58.05 | astralis | rdancer, I am going to start everything from scratch. |
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| 08:58.36 | rdancer | astralis: ok, go on, but it shouldn't help (much) :-) |
| 08:59.20 | Splatt | so 2.6.1 doesnt support iptables? |
| 08:59.39 | rdancer | Splatt: why do you think so? |
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| 08:59.55 | astralis | this is the 3rd time I am trying to install debian. |
| 09:00.16 | Splatt | because i did 2.4.18 -> 2.6.1 and now iptables says: iptables v1.2.6a: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod? |
| 09:01.20 | dasunt | r3dstorm: Er, backup, reinstall. :( |
| 09:01.39 | r3dstorm | not any time |
| 09:02.13 | dasunt | r3dstorm: You have no clue what files were modified or what back doors were added. The installed system can no longer be trusted. |
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| 09:02.30 | r3dstorm | if u are good you can know |
| 09:02.42 | r3dstorm | or u get a user account and check |
| 09:02.45 | dasunt | And how would you know? |
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| 09:04.00 | r3dstorm | documentation about hackers mind/program |
| 09:04.07 | r3dstorm | #anti-hack if you want |
| 09:04.15 | dasunt | If you have a record of MD5 sums for every file in the system, and a record of permissions/ownership/etc, it might be possible. |
| 09:04.35 | rdancer | Splatt: you don't have the appropriate modules installed/compiled. or maybe you're not running under root? |
| 09:05.01 | dasunt | However, failing that, I could easily say, add a trojan ls, put back the date to the original binary, pad it to the right side, and you'd probably not find it. |
| 09:05.47 | Splatt | rdancer: ahh. must check.. but i was wondering.. there uisnt a new iptables like thing is there? like 2.0 had ipfw, like 2.2 had chains.. 2.4 had tables.. 2.6 is still tables? |
| 09:05.49 | helix | dasunt: hi :) |
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| 09:06.04 | dasunt | Heta helix. |
| 09:06.06 | Nurbs | Splatt: yes |
| 09:06.11 | rdancer | Splatt: yep |
| 09:06.21 | dasunt | Found some tuno, made some damn good non-tuna tuna salad. |
| 09:06.29 | Nurbs | unluckily POM doesn't work for 2.6 |
| 09:06.34 | helix | dasunt: so you liked it? |
| 09:06.40 | rdancer | Splatt: since 2.4.3 ;) |
| 09:06.40 | dasunt | Yep. |
| 09:06.46 | helix | woo hoo :) |
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| 09:07.18 | helix | it's a little saltier than real tuna but.. whatever. the taste of meat is pretty easily forgotten |
| 09:07.28 | Splatt | where is iptables (ip filter isnt it?) in kernel? |
| 09:07.30 | dasunt | Yep. |
| 09:07.59 | rdancer | Splatt: yep |
| 09:08.02 | helix | besides the occasional tofurkey slice, that's the only meat analogue i eat.. |
| 09:08.14 | jengo | Welp, I kinda messed up X totally on my machine :P ... I tried to upgrade kde to testing (using apt-pinning), which rendered KDE now useless, I can't even go back a version since the dependicys are all messed up ... to make matters worse, gnome no longer has the title bars on windows ... any ideas on how to fix gnome and get KDE working again ? |
| 09:08.35 | helix | jengo: have you tried uninstalling all of the packages from both? |
| 09:08.49 | helix | and then reinstalling them (preferably using a kde backport instead of pinning) |
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| 09:09.11 | jengo | Been tring, problem is, I can't figure out which is the "master" package that will remove all the others |
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| 09:09.22 | jp- | dpkg, pine |
| 09:09.22 | dpkg | pine: a non-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include elm, mutt, spruce, sylpheed, balsa, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To get pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about "nano", or in potato, get source from woody and apply a potato-patch in the debian directory |
| 09:09.29 | helix | jengo: hm.. well usually there is a metapackage for both |
| 09:09.33 | jengo | Right now, I seem to have a mix bewteen the 2 versions .. which is a mess |
| 09:09.46 | rdancer | jengo: fire up aptitude, and find out |
| 09:09.56 | jengo | k, 1 sec |
| 09:09.59 | tomZet | Hi, when building a kernel witk kpkg how does this new kernel show up in lilo's boot choise as there is already the old kernel named linux? |
| 09:10.02 | helix | jengo: afaik, you have to uninstall all of the packages separately for kde.. which is time consuming but that's what aptitude and such are for |
| 09:10.04 | rdancer | jengo: just click thru the dependencies :-) |
| 09:10.31 | helix | tomZet: how far along are you with the kernel making? |
| 09:10.46 | jengo | heheheh, that would make things MUCH easier :P |
| 09:10.51 | helix | tomZet: when you dpkg -i my_awesome_new_kernel.deb it makes a new symlink for /vmlinuz |
| 09:10.58 | tomZet | helix, I am currently doing make-kpkg |
| 09:11.02 | Wyzard | tomZet: When you install the resulting package, the old /vmlinuz symlink will be renamed to /vmlinuz.old, and a new /vmlinuz symlink will be created which points to the new kernel. |
| 09:11.03 | jengo | Any ideas on why gnome no longer has the title bars ? |
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| 09:11.07 | helix | tomZet: but you have to create an entry in lilo.conf if that's what you're using |
| 09:11.31 | rdancer | jengo: stolen ? ;) |
| 09:11.32 | Wyzard | tomZet: The default LILO configuration has the name "linux" which points to /vmlinuz, and an optional "linuxOLD" which points to /vmlinuz.old if that file exists |
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| 09:11.47 | tomZet | helix, I see. |
| 09:12.10 | tomZet | Wyzard, Ok, that is ok then. Thanx |
| 09:12.21 | jengo | stolen ? lol |
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| 09:14.33 | rdancer | evel hobbits sstolen preciouss toolbarsss ;) |
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| 09:15.36 | MonkeyWK | Was wondering if anyone could help me out - I've got Debian Testing installed when i try to install samba it installs fine and NMDB runs perfectly but SMDB is giving me an error with libgnutls.so.7 - anyone have any ideas? |
| 09:15.43 | jengo | It says unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages |
| 09:15.48 | JoePenguin | rdancer: we wantss them.. yess, my preciousss |
| 09:16.24 | jengo | Thats the error I get when I try to reinstall KDE |
| 09:16.39 | rdancer | lol |
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| 09:17.26 | rdancer | JoePenguin: should be standard error when KDEing ;) |
| 09:17.28 | MonkeyWK | anyone know what that file is for (libgnutls.so.7) and why it would be bugging samba? |
| 09:17.43 | skie^ | Will my internal HSF Conexant work ? |
| 09:18.02 | rdancer | skie^: maybe |
| 09:18.06 | Wyzard | MonkeyWK: I'd say it's the GNU implementation of TLS (Transport Layer Security, similar to SSL) |
| 09:18.18 | skie^ | rdancer: depending on? |
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| 09:18.33 | MonkeyWK | Wyzard: any insight as to why samba won't run on testing? |
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| 09:18.40 | rdancer | skie^: never heard of that, that's why maybe |
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| 09:19.24 | Wyzard | MonkeyWK: Not really, since I don't run testing, but as a guess, maybe you have the wrong version of a package and need to upgrade |
| 09:19.32 | machoney | Hi. Can you tell me how can I dsiables squid info on squid error pages? |
| 09:19.59 | w0wie | i am using sarge but i want to download something from sid? is this possible |
| 09:20.02 | MonkeyWK | hmmm doing an update now |
| 09:20.23 | rdancer | skie^: depending on what it is, and what do you mean by ``work'' |
| 09:21.22 | alexskan | how to check if a pack like bash hasn't been trojanized? |
| 09:21.43 | rdancer | ~tell w0wie about pinning |
| 09:22.45 | jengo | hehe, pinning is what created my headaches tonight :P |
| 09:23.00 | w0wie | did u win? |
| 09:23.19 | rdancer | jengo: well, you shouldn't pin half a distribution... |
| 09:23.23 | rdancer | ;) |
| 09:23.24 | jengo | hehe |
| 09:23.25 | w0wie | it sounds confusing |
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| 09:23.49 | rdancer | jengo: i get errors when dist-upgrading... :( |
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| 09:24.17 | jengo | I started out just wanting to get 2.6 kernel working, then I ended up wanting to get my dual head working in X, wanted newest KDE, etc ... I went overboard |
| 09:24.40 | w0wie | lol |
| 09:24.40 | rdancer | w0wie: it means it is possible, but when the things break, you have to keep both parts. |
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| 09:24.45 | Wyzard | jengo: No problem with making lots of changes, but do them one at a time. :-) |
| 09:24.55 | w0wie | KDE is not working for me |
| 09:24.59 | w0wie | so i am using gnome |
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| 09:25.04 | rdancer | jengo: step by step, heard about ? ;) |
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| 09:25.12 | Octalthorpe | I'm having a problem getting iptables to do some port forwarding- I'm using guidedog (already tried doing it manually), but it still doesn't seem to be working. I want to forward port 9000 to a server inside my LAN (192.168.0.3) |
| 09:25.27 | jengo | Thats where I made my mistake ... I was doing the kernel, things wheren't working so I went back to my old crap ... then I started on KDE and dual head X at the same time, which I was dumb for rofl |
| 09:25.56 | rdancer | jengo: yessss... ;) |
| 09:25.56 | w0wie | rdancer: all i wanna do is get a later version of game, sarge is 11 versions behind |
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| 09:26.00 | jengo | Well, my gnome install is kinda hosed atm ... I have no titles :( |
| 09:26.05 | w0wie | *gaim |
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| 09:26.11 | rdancer | w0wie backports.org |
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| 09:26.22 | Kaiowa | hi |
| 09:26.30 | w0wie | jengo: u need a window manager |
| 09:26.35 | w0wie | i had that problem |
| 09:26.36 | Octalthorpe | Anyone? iptables? |
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| 09:26.59 | MonkeyWK | a dist-upgrade fixed my samba problems if anyone was curious - thanks for your time |
| 09:26.59 | rdancer | jengo: i always update this and that, and forget about it. then i have to reboot two days later, and have a little mayhem ;) |
| 09:27.19 | rdancer | rdancer: shouldn't be this lazy, or misconcepted, i guess ;) |
| 09:27.21 | Kaiowa | when i tried to launch k3b i get this error: libk3bplugin.so.l : cannot open shared library .. how can i fix this plz?? |
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| 09:28.03 | jengo | rdancer: Well, this machine here normally runs for months on end ... before I started working with upgrading to the 2.6 kernel, the server was running for 120 days straight |
| 09:28.13 | jengo | server / workstation I should say |
| 09:28.17 | rdancer | Kaiowa: gdb ;) |
| 09:28.51 | Kaiowa | ?? |
| 09:29.25 | rdancer | Kaiowa: Kaiowa: you have lost one essential part of the app... so you have a grave problem. |
| 09:29.45 | gourdin | hi ppl |
| 09:29.51 | jengo | WOOOHOOO! KDE is running again! |
| 09:29.56 | jengo | Thanks for the help |
| 09:30.01 | gourdin | kde rox ;) |
| 09:30.09 | rdancer | jengo: don't expect excessive uptimes with 2.6, though ;) |
| 09:30.17 | gourdin | i got strange problem changing mouse cursors apparence |
| 09:30.23 | rdancer | jengo: hurrah! |
| 09:30.24 | gourdin | when i install a them |
| 09:30.41 | gourdin | i just have the main cursor (the main arrow) themed, the other are still originals |
| 09:30.54 | jengo | rdancer: Sure, I expected that ... I was told 2.6 preforms better with the dual opteron systems hehe |
| 09:31.03 | gourdin | anything wrong with xfree4.3 in debian or is it a misconfiguration from me ?* |
| 09:31.07 | aryix | mmmm KDE? |
| 09:31.13 | gourdin | (kde rox) |
| 09:31.22 | aryix | FluxBox is the best |
| 09:31.30 | gourdin | hooooo noooo ;) |
| 09:31.32 | jengo | gah, why do windows always popup on my 2nd monitor at first |
| 09:31.33 | gourdin | it depends ;) |
| 09:31.45 | gourdin | aryix: yes, i'm on kde |
| 09:31.50 | rdancer | jengo: well, except for those glitches. maybe it does. I quit using 2.6 when I wasn't able to compile 2.6.0-test1 |
| 09:31.59 | jengo | ah hehe |
| 09:32.24 | rdancer | Kaiowa: try to install correctly, and ask the package maintainer, maybe |
| 09:32.25 | jengo | I am going to wait a while before I try it again, I am going to wait until things are very stable and widly tested |
| 09:32.37 | gourdin | aryix: kde has anything to do with my cursors ? |
| 09:32.39 | aryix | 2.6.1 is the current....... |
| 09:33.03 | Kaiowa | ok, ill trie thx |
| 09:33.21 | aryix | <gourdin> you don't need this offten |
| 09:33.25 | jengo | Do you know if its possiable to have a seperate background for each head on the dual head ? |
| 09:33.36 | gourdin | aryix: ? |
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| 09:33.45 | gourdin | I don't need what ? ;) |
| 09:34.06 | aryix | i testing phlak.....need reboot. yet? |
| 09:34.14 | rdancer | well, but when i tried compiling 2.6.0-test1 i didn't know the known-issues-list will be as long as it is now, and 2.6 apparently lags behind 2.4 & 2.2 wrt bugfixes / sploit patches |
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| 09:34.51 | rdancer | jengo: bg: of course it should be; why not? |
| 09:35.29 | rdancer | jengo: these are 2 displays, like :0 & :1, correct? |
| 09:35.36 | jengo | Thats all the more reason to hold off on it I guess |
| 09:35.59 | jengo | Its a dual head, running through xienera |
| 09:35.59 | rdancer | ?? |
| 09:36.10 | jengo | 2 monitors, 2 video cards, 1 system |
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| 09:36.36 | rdancer | ah, xinerama, then you have one virtual desktop, so one bg; even that stolen toolbar would span the 2 screens ;) |
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| 09:36.40 | jengo | I can move my mouse and windows bewteen monitors, which I think is really badass lol |
| 09:37.04 | fcosta | oi |
| 09:37.04 | jengo | hmmm |
| 09:37.19 | jengo | is there anything better out there for handling this ? |
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| 09:37.21 | rdancer | jengo: how does it feel? |
| 09:37.34 | rdancer | jengo: !xinerama, you mean? |
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| 09:39.05 | jengo | It works ok so far ... but, for some things like the logout confirm box appears in the middle of both monitors, which is rather annoying ... I want to be able to move windows bewteen monitors, but have the backgrounds synced up and stuff ... and have things appears on the other monitor by default |
| 09:39.06 | rdancer | jengo: ? |
| 09:39.23 | fcosta | kernel-2.6.1 Alsa drivers |
| 09:39.23 | rdancer | lol |
| 09:39.32 | SocketERR | i wannt to setup a imap server, the first time. witch imap server is the best? |
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| 09:39.58 | ircdevil | is there a netinstall for realplayer? |
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| 09:40.01 | rdancer | jengo: just setup 2 monitors : 2 displays, 0:0 & 0:1 |
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| 09:40.20 | fcosta | kernel-2.6.1 Alsa drivers? |
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| 09:40.34 | w0wie | is apt-get suppose to have a config file? |
| 09:40.43 | rdancer | jengo: my gut tells me XF86Config-4 is where to do it |
| 09:40.46 | jengo | Hmm, how would I do that ? |
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| 09:40.56 | jengo | Thats where I did the changes for the setup I have now |
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| 09:41.14 | rdancer | w0wie: ls /etc/apt |
| 09:41.31 | w0wie | yeah i dun ave a conf file there |
| 09:41.43 | rdancer | jengo: don't know; RTFFFFM ;-) |
| 09:41.48 | jengo | hehehe |
| 09:41.52 | w0wie | ahhh i do |
| 09:41.53 | jengo | ok, I will try that tommorow |
| 09:41.53 | rdancer | jengo: but tell me back ;-) |
| 09:41.54 | w0wie | hmmm |
| 09:42.11 | jengo | I gotta actually get some work done now :P |
| 09:42.41 | rdancer | ircdevil: strings {} | less \; |
| 09:42.42 | w0wie | rdancer: i dun ave an actual config file |
| 09:43.05 | rdancer | w0wie: it was stolen, then |
| 09:43.11 | w0wie | damn |
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| 09:43.19 | w0wie | oh well i steal it off my dad's FTP server |
| 09:43.21 | rdancer | jengo: another stolen thing today |
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| 09:43.38 | w0wie | rdancer: are they all configured the same until modified? |
| 09:43.57 | ircdevil | rdancer ? |
| 09:44.10 | rdancer | w0wie: just look in /etc/apt/apt.d, it _must_ be there |
| 09:44.13 | rdancer | ircdevil: yes? |
| 09:44.57 | w0wie | all thats in there is 70debconf |
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| 09:45.04 | ircdevil | rdancer does that tell me what to do with r1p1_linux22_libc6_i386_a1.bin ? |
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| 09:45.10 | Zap-W | hi |
| 09:45.15 | w0wie | rdancer: all thats in there is 70debconf |
| 09:45.16 | fcosta | hi |
| 09:45.17 | LrdMyren | what terminal programs do you people use? i kind of like aterm, but occasionally i want to resize my font size on the fly... |
| 09:45.18 | rdancer | 10:40 < w0wie> yeah i dun ave a conf file there |
| 09:45.30 | Zap-W | is there a HOWTO that explains all about network subnets and netmaks , ip ranges........ |
| 09:45.31 | rdancer | w0wie: so they returned it, didn't they? |
| 09:45.33 | w0wie | rdancer: it tis missing |
| 09:45.49 | rdancer | w0wie: what about RTFMing, w0wie? |
| 09:45.56 | cahoot | rdancer: apt.conf was missed on my sarge/net install |
| 09:46.10 | w0wie | rdancer: hmmmz whys is the one on my ftp server different then |
| 09:46.14 | fcosta | tem alguem brasileiro ou portugues |
| 09:46.40 | Zap-W | fcosta : debian-br |
| 09:46.44 | w0wie | if i borrow an apt.conf do u think apt will know the differences |
| 09:46.52 | Zap-W | eu mais em debian-br tem mais |
| 09:47.19 | rdancer | cahoot: so what? |
| 09:47.19 | rdancer | Zap-W: Net-3 HOWTO; or Net-HOWTO named today, iirc |
| 09:47.47 | w0wie | rdancer: if i borrow an apt.conf do u think apt will know the differences |
| 09:47.48 | fcosta | ok ZAp-w. nao consigo colocar oAlsa a funcionar no 2.6.0-1 |
| 09:47.57 | rdancer | LrdMyren: Eterm, rxvt, uxterm, I prefer console, i.e. Linux virtual terminal |
| 09:48.06 | fcosta | podes-me ajuadr? |
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| 09:48.26 | cahoot | rdancer: i e the same as for w0wie - not other implication |
| 09:48.35 | rdancer | w0wie: there _is_ no apt.conf: apt.conf.d is there instead |
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| 09:48.46 | rdancer | cahoot: there _is_ no apt.conf: apt.conf.d is there instead |
| 09:48.47 | Zap-W | fcosta : agora nao da , sorry, tenta em #Debian-br |
| 09:49.08 | cahoot | rdancer: oh -sorry to bother |
| 09:49.12 | fcosta | ok |
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| 09:49.38 | LrdMyren | for every Desktop directory gnome creates, i shall KILL YOU! |
| 09:49.45 | LrdMyren | sorry, its late |
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| 09:50.31 | revengeslayer | hi, our company has about more then 10.000 servers with debian over the world.. we want to auto-update every system at 3AM with our own created web site found on our web site. the problem is if more than 10.000 servers connect to our web site, it will flood our web server.. how is it possible to let the servers update without any problem ? |
| 09:50.37 | rdancer | w0wie, cahoot: just look through the /etc/apt/ directory, and figure out yourselves |
| 09:50.51 | rdancer | revengeslayer: bittorent |
| 09:51.01 | revengeslayer | bittorrent ? |
| 09:51.13 | revengeslayer | rdancer: what will that do ? |
| 09:51.14 | rdancer | revengeslayer: yes ;) |
| 09:51.19 | LrdMyren | its a peer to peer downloading system. |
| 09:51.24 | rdancer | revengeslayer: solve your problem |
| 09:51.28 | LrdMyren | and entirely not production grade |
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| 09:51.40 | revengeslayer | so 10.000 servers will download from our web server without any bandwidth limit ? |
| 09:51.47 | rdancer | LrdMyren: isn't it? |
| 09:51.57 | LrdMyren | oh please |
| 09:52.00 | revengeslayer | LrdMyren ? |
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| 09:52.02 | ircdevil | how do you install real player for linux? |
| 09:52.13 | revengeslayer | LrdMyren: so bittorrent is not a solution to my problem ? |
| 09:52.23 | rdancer | revengeslayer: p2p, so distributed |
| 09:52.34 | LrdMyren | it could be, but if you've got 10000 computers, i wouldnt trust in bittorrent |
| 09:52.38 | rdancer | ircdevil: aptitude? |
| 09:52.43 | revengeslayer | why not LrdMyren ? |
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| 09:52.48 | revengeslayer | what should I do ? |
| 09:52.48 | ircdevil | nevermind. i found out |
| 09:53.15 | netbrain | how do i enable dri in the 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:53.25 | Zap-W | ircdevil get mozplugger and make a symbolic link to the exe realplay |
| 09:53.30 | rdancer | revengeslayer: LrdMyren says it has bugs. so you'd have a spurious bug multiplied 10.000 times. not a good thing |
| 09:53.33 | honschu | What device (/dev/???) uses the module ppdev ? /dev/parport0 doesn't exist in woody. Do I have to makenode ? major-minor number ?? |
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| 09:53.49 | revengeslayer | lolz rdancer ! |
| 09:53.57 | Zap-W | ircdevil www.real.com has the linux player |
| 09:53.59 | revengeslayer | idd not a good thing :p |
| 09:54.19 | rdancer | revengeslayer: but anyway, the concept holds. read the papers and mimic |
| 09:54.31 | revengeslayer | rdancer : how you mean ? |
| 09:54.41 | Zapelius | LrdMyren, sourceforge says about bittorrent: Development Status: 5 - Production/Stable |
| 09:54.50 | revengeslayer | i need a quick and good solution .. |
| 09:54.53 | rdancer | honschu: lp0 |
| 09:55.03 | iostream | Which ftpd would you recommend for security and configurability? |
| 09:55.10 | Zapelius | and description didn't tell anyting about p2p :) |
| 09:55.11 | rdancer | Zapelius: goood |
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| 09:55.29 | rdancer | Zapelius: it's p2p on steroids |
| 09:55.31 | tomZet | Hi, where can I read about installation of java and using it in mozilla? |
| 09:55.33 | rdancer | ;) |
| 09:56.01 | gourdin | anyone can help me theme mousr cursors ? |
| 09:56.13 | rdancer | dpkg, java? |
| 09:56.13 | dpkg | somebody said java was a platform independent OO language. People usually associate Java with eye-candy applets, this is in fact a relatively weak use of Java. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. To install jdk in Debian, see jdk or coffee, or ask me about java-plugin for browser applet support, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ The Tool of (D)evil (tm) |
| 09:56.21 | gourdin | it only them the main cursor, the other still keep original |
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| 09:56.40 | LrdMyren | how do you find out who scripted these dpkg triggers? |
| 09:56.42 | marinos | revengeslayer: iproute2 ?! |
| 09:56.57 | UltraSub | need tc support in my kernel, and so it would b my first kernel upgrade :) |
| 09:57.02 | rdancer | gourdin: maybe the theme doesn't have the other cursors? |
| 09:57.03 | UltraSub | how hard is it on debian? |
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| 09:57.12 | gourdin | rdancer: yes it does |
| 09:57.15 | gourdin | i try many themes |
| 09:57.19 | Zap-W | what is tc |
| 09:57.22 | gourdin | i'm on kde 3.1.5 |
| 09:57.24 | UltraSub | traffic control |
| 09:57.24 | rdancer | gourdin: no idea then |
| 09:57.27 | gourdin | :/ |
| 09:57.39 | rdancer | dpkg, tell Zap-W about tc |
| 09:58.01 | rdancer | oops, s/tc/tk/ |
| 09:58.08 | Zap-W | UltraSub : afaik QoS is still experimental in linux , but you can give it a try |
| 09:58.12 | UltraSub | someone doing it here? throttling bandwith? |
| 09:58.37 | UltraSub | hmm yah, i wanted to try some, but my kernel doesnt support it :/ |
| 09:58.46 | LrdMyren | my housemate does throttling |
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| 09:59.03 | UltraSub | so if its too much hassle to recompile it, and its useless, i wont do it :) |
| 09:59.07 | Zap-W | aren't there other means of bandwidth throttling in the linux kernel? |
| 09:59.20 | UltraSub | not that im aware of |
| 09:59.47 | rdancer | Zap-W: no |
| 09:59.54 | UltraSub | RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 09:59.55 | tomZet | Hi, what do I do about unresolves symbol messages when installing a kernel made with make kpkg? |
| 10:00.15 | rdancer | tomZet: kernel version? |
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| 10:00.55 | tomZet | rdancer, 2.6.1 |
| 10:01.28 | Zapelius | Zap-W, there is a nice howto: http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.qdisc.classless.html |
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| 10:01.36 | Caimlas | does anyone here use distcc? |
| 10:01.43 | UltraSub | that's the one i read too Zapelius... |
| 10:02.04 | Zapelius | Caimlas, I do |
| 10:02.11 | rdancer | tomZet: hmmm, that one is not too mature yet. if it works otherwise, you may grep the existing known issues and if it's not known, report a bug. |
| 10:02.33 | rdancer | tomZet: some parts of 2.6.1 won't even compile... afaik |
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| 10:03.27 | maru | tomZet: What unresolved symbols? |
| 10:03.31 | Caimlas | Zapelius: this might sound like a stupid quesiton, but what compilers, if any, need to be installed for it to work? |
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| 10:03.47 | tomZet | rdancer, ok, how do I get this error messages from the console back? Do I have to dpkg -i again? |
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| 10:04.20 | rdancer | tomZet: ?? |
| 10:04.22 | Caimlas | Zapelius: for instance, can I build something that needs (say) libqt2 if libqt2 is only on the original host machine? |
| 10:04.29 | Caimlas | Zapelius: that is, the client |
| 10:04.32 | tomZet | maru, for example depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.6.1/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_multiport.ko |
| 10:05.01 | Caimlas | Zapelius: is distcc just a distributor (it needs g++/gcc on each host), or does it do the building itself? |
| 10:05.07 | wiz | Are there any better partitioning programs than parted |
| 10:05.19 | tomZet | maru, or depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.6.1/kernel/net/irda/ircomm/ircomm-tty.ko |
| 10:06.15 | tomZet | rdancer, the error messages. As I can only shift+page up only a bit. |
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| 10:06.53 | maru | tomZet: What kernel are you running right now? |
| 10:07.09 | Zapelius | Caimlas, it needs g++/gcc on each host. check http://distcc.samba.org/faq.html |
| 10:07.15 | rdancer | tomZet: not sure. dmesg, or depmod -a again |
| 10:07.26 | Caimlas | Zapelius: thanks |
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| 10:07.49 | eiMIX | hello, how to forward any incoming packet to 4662 port, to other host:4662? (iptables) |
| 10:08.04 | revengeslayer | prerouting |
| 10:08.19 | Caimlas | Zapelius: are any libs needed? |
| 10:08.23 | Caimlas | hrm I'll read :) |
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| 10:09.14 | krystal | hi. Is there a native package in debian that allow to have samba AND ldap working together ? All I read in the internet concerning this topic, says that it's mandatory to rebuild samba from sources. Is it right ? |
| 10:09.22 | floppyears | does anybody know how to get lirc working on debian 2.6.0? |
| 10:09.33 | LrdMyren | krystal: debian samba should have LDAP built in |
| 10:09.53 | UltraSub | eiMIX: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d $EXTERNAL_IP -p tcp --dport 4662 -j DNAT --to $WORKSTATION:4662 |
| 10:09.58 | LrdMyren | krystal: however there is no preconfigured package therefore, any configuraiton or use of ldap you must configure yourself. but the binaries should include ldap. |
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| 10:10.36 | eiMIX | UltraSub - what is $EXTERNAL_IP? |
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| 10:10.56 | UltraSub | its a var eiMIX |
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| 10:11.03 | krystal | LrdMyren: So, it's possible to use precompiled binary packages, with just little configuration in the smb.conf and ldap setup, isn't it ? |
| 10:11.12 | revengeslayer | anyone can give me some advise.. i have 10.000 servers over the world, running apache, mysql, proftpd, postfix and some other daemons. there is only one user: root, and nobody else. the problem is, if there is an exploit out there, the cracker can crack most of my servers, and that's not good.. what can I do for that? or can't a cracker exploit the box when no account? |
| 10:11.12 | eiMIX | UltraSub - i know that, what should be in it :) |
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| 10:11.24 | tomZet | maru, I am running 2.4.22 |
| 10:11.25 | UltraSub | set it somewhere else in the script, or substitute the real external ip there |
| 10:11.33 | tomZet | rdancer, thanx |
| 10:11.37 | UltraSub | thought the name explained itself :) |
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| 10:12.22 | rdancer | revengeslayer: part with the one-user-runs-it-all paradigm |
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| 10:12.35 | revengeslayer | rdancer how you mean ? |
| 10:12.36 | maru | tomZet did you try booting 2.6.1 yet? |
| 10:13.00 | revengeslayer | 2.6.1 runs fine |
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| 10:13.18 | rdancer | revengeslayer: run every service as a different user, preferabily in a jail |
| 10:13.21 | tomZet | maru, no, I want first to make sure that everything is fine. Sure I would have the old one still then. |
| 10:13.29 | revengeslayer | rdancer apache in a jail ? |
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| 10:13.43 | revengeslayer | rdancer : but apache should run programs and other things .. |
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| 10:13.49 | Twitching_Fool | alrite, any ideas how to get (through the network) files onto a base debian system? i could do it with scp, or hping2, but i dont have those installed :|. any ideas? |
| 10:14.06 | sypher | Hi all, sorry, is there a way to have the desktop wallpaper in GNOME switch automatically after X minutes? |
| 10:14.15 | Piru | running everything as root is punishable by death. |
| 10:14.17 | rdancer | revengeslayer: having 10.000 _clones_ is frightening; epidemic-friendly. however, if you do backups and restore automation, recovery could be as swift as the attack ;) |
| 10:14.37 | revengeslayer | rdancer restore automation ? |
| 10:14.55 | revengeslayer | rdancer that's why i try to do an update at 3AM every day .. |
| 10:15.07 | rdancer | revengeslayer: ok, maybe, what do you think? |
| 10:15.07 | maru | tomZet: Just try running it then |
| 10:15.08 | revengeslayer | if new package available, download and install |
| 10:15.18 | The_wow | revengeslayer said that on #gentoo also |
| 10:15.21 | w0wie | rdancer: with pinning do you have to modify your sources.list |
| 10:15.23 | revengeslayer | rdancer : install an unexploited version of apache |
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| 10:15.26 | revengeslayer | yes The_wow |
| 10:15.32 | rdancer | The_wow: bot? |
| 10:15.39 | tomZet | maru, ok, btw do you know what the "restricted" option in lilo does? |
| 10:15.41 | The_wow | donno |
| 10:15.47 | revengeslayer | :-( |
| 10:15.56 | The_wow | revengeslayer: are you running debian or gentoo? |
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| 10:16.11 | rdancer | The_wow: had some enquiry an hour ago here, but probably has a spell-checker ;) |
| 10:16.28 | Zap-W | i have this : iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE for masquerade how do i limit this only to 192.168.1.x |
| 10:16.37 | maru | tomZet:_ It is used to enable boot passwords, ... |
| 10:16.40 | rdancer | w0wie: no, your date list |
| 10:16.42 | The_wow | ok.. =) |
| 10:16.44 | eiMIX | UltraSub - is it possible without External_ip - i know only the interface - ppp0 - Ip is dinamicaly assigned |
| 10:16.52 | rdancer | The_wow: bot. |
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| 10:17.17 | cyberyo | io |
| 10:17.20 | maru | eiMIX: -i <interface> |
| 10:17.26 | rdancer | revengeslayer: ever took a turing test? |
| 10:17.34 | revengeslayer | whats that ? |
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| 10:17.47 | UraniumAnchor | Anybody who can suggest a package/command that'll turn wav into mp3 files? |
| 10:18.06 | rdancer | revengeslayer: learn to pass one and come back then ;) |
| 10:18.20 | rdancer | UraniumAnchor: yes |
| 10:18.22 | Piru | uraniumanchor, lame is good. |
| 10:18.22 | revengeslayer | rdancer what's your point? :| |
| 10:18.25 | UltraSub | eiMIX: or get the var like this: |
| 10:18.26 | UltraSub | EXTERNAL_IP=`ifconfig $EXTERNAL_IF | grep "inet addr" | awk {'print $2'} | cut -f 2 -d ":"` |
| 10:18.29 | tomZet | maru, ok, thanx |
| 10:18.29 | UltraSub | ;) |
| 10:18.50 | UraniumAnchor | Thanks Piru I'll check it out. |
| 10:19.41 | UraniumAnchor | Hrm... |
| 10:20.11 | eiMIX | UltraSub - thnx |
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| 10:20.44 | rdancer | revengeslayer? |
| 10:20.48 | fcosta | Zap-w: No canal Debian-br, ninguem me responde estarei a fazer algo de errado? |
| 10:20.48 | LrdMyren | theres no EASY way to move all your conf files into a .conf directory or something? |
| 10:21.08 | another | does anyone in here chrooted apache+php+mysql+imap ? |
| 10:21.15 | LrdMyren | i wish there were some other place every program under the sun could put its configuration files and directories, other than my home directory |
| 10:21.33 | LrdMyren | another: imap? apache running an imap server? |
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| 10:22.15 | another | i want to use squirrel |
| 10:22.26 | another | and apache is chrooted |
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| 10:23.40 | Twitching_Fool | so no1 has any ideas on how to get files onto a networked deb base install then? |
| 10:23.56 | oskie | is postgresql 7.4.1 debs available for sarge? |
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| 10:24.13 | petemc | Twitching_Fool: wget |
| 10:24.23 | UraniumAnchor | Piru: Does that have a package, or is it source only? |
| 10:24.34 | LrdMyren | eww, i still have my cmsc214 projects. kill me now |
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| 10:24.58 | LrdMyren | oskie: packages.debian.org |
| 10:25.02 | oskie | LrdMyren: ok |
| 10:25.06 | LrdMyren | oskie: if not there, backports.org, iirc |
| 10:25.11 | LrdMyren | then maybe apt.org |
| 10:25.29 | oskie | where does debconf store the answers you've made to packets? |
| 10:25.32 | oskie | packages, even |
| 10:25.33 | petemc | apt-get.org |
| 10:25.48 | LrdMyren | petemc: thanks |
| 10:26.05 | LrdMyren | oskie: i dunno, but dpkg-reconfigure if you want to try again |
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| 10:26.15 | Rick | who |
| 10:26.16 | LrdMyren | the help file for it will probably point you in the right direction too |
| 10:26.25 | oskie | LrdMyren: apparently not, it's skipping some questions |
| 10:27.03 | rdancer | oskie: /var/lib/dpkg/, probably |
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| 10:27.13 | oskie | it is /var/cache/debconf |
| 10:27.33 | Twitching_Fool | petemc: eh, thats not installed, well not under the name wget anyway |
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| 10:28.02 | rdancer | oskie: hmmm, shouldn't be, according to FHS. |
| 10:28.23 | rdancer | oskie: if it skips questions, dpkg-reconfigure dpkg |
| 10:28.30 | petemc | Twitching_Fool: yes it is, its part of busybos, so its installed before the base is even installed, ive used it to grab kernels before |
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| 10:28.41 | petemc | s/bos/box/ |
| 10:28.57 | oskie | rdancer: it skips questions because the postinst script (for postgresql) checks if it's called as configure or reconfigure |
| 10:29.11 | oskie | well something is fucked with postgresql... it doesn't ask locale when it should |
| 10:29.15 | rdancer | oskie: ugh. |
| 10:29.32 | rdancer | oskie: isn't it a bug? |
| 10:29.39 | oskie | rdancer: probably |
| 10:29.57 | rdancer | oskie: file a bugreport :-( |
| 10:30.15 | oskie | rdancer: right now i'm more interested in working around it :) |
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| 10:30.34 | *** part/#debian revengeslayer (~revengesl@208.179.25.240) |
| 10:30.55 | xerophyte | How can i do continues scroll in links .. i mean when press the down arrow key it jumps with pages |
| 10:30.56 | rdancer | oskie: :) |
| 10:31.06 | Wyzard | oskie: It doesn't ask even when you do "dpkg-reconfigure postgresql" ? |
| 10:31.06 | rdancer | oskie: bfg! ;) |
| 10:31.21 | ircdevil | _fuck_ _windows_media_format_ |
| 10:31.29 | Zapelius | amen! |
| 10:31.45 | *** part/#debian Rick (~ricky@202.89.69.60) |
| 10:31.45 | rdancer | xerophyte: (1) use a real browser |
| 10:32.08 | rdancer | xerophyte: (2) it surely is possible, iirc, i did it. => RTFM |
| 10:32.09 | Twitching_Fool | petemc: eh, whats it called then? whereis wget returns nothing |
| 10:32.09 | petemc | rdancer: links is a real browser |
| 10:32.22 | petemc | Twitching_Fool: its called wget |
| 10:32.23 | rdancer | petemc: lol ;) |
| 10:33.03 | xerophyte | rdancer looks like can not do it .. is there any good console browser |
| 10:33.12 | Twitching_Fool | petemc: then how can "wget" and "whereis wget" return nothing of note? |
| 10:33.53 | oskie | db_set postgresql/settings/locale ${PGLANG:=C} \n db_input medium postgresql/settings/locale || true |
| 10:34.00 | petemc | Twitching_Fool: no idea, i know its there as ive used it |
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| 10:34.05 | oskie | wtf's up with that, first it sets then asks for user!? |
| 10:34.10 | oskie | ohw el |
| 10:34.11 | Twitching_Fool | :/ |
| 10:34.12 | rdancer | xerophyte, petemc: it has it strengths (3 of them, small), but when it comes to daily usage, i prefer w3m on file://, and lynx on http://, and mc on ftp:// |
| 10:34.25 | petemc | Twitching_Fool: possibly "whereis" isnt installed as its far from essential |
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| 10:34.37 | Wyzard | Twitching_Fool: wget is in a separate package (called "wget") |
| 10:34.41 | rdancer | xerophyte: but try, you should be able to do this. |
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| 10:34.57 | petemc | Wyzard: in the installer |
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| 10:35.13 | Wyzard | ah, sorry |
| 10:35.31 | rdancer | is there a utf-8 capable (both input and output) version of links in Debian? |
| 10:36.20 | wiz | Is there a good partitioning program other than parted/ |
| 10:36.22 | wiz | ? |
| 10:36.23 | Caimlas | Zapelius: do you know anything about running ccache with distcc? |
| 10:36.24 | rdancer | xerophyte: what about ^N/^P ;) |
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| 10:36.36 | Wyzard | wiz: I usually use cfdisk |
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| 10:36.45 | Twitching_Fool | i like cfdisk :) |
| 10:36.46 | xerophyte | rdancer found it delete and insert works |
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| 10:37.22 | rdancer | xerophyte: strange |
| 10:37.24 | w0wie | rdancer: with pinning, all i need to do is add the unstable sources to my source.list and modify or create a preference file and add the priorities in there |
| 10:37.41 | JefPober | is it possible to use parted or some other tool to resize a reiserfs partition without losing data (i guess not :()? |
| 10:37.45 | rdancer | xerophyte: i have : ELinks 0.4pre5 - Text WWW browser |
| 10:37.57 | Wyzard | JefPober: I dunno about parted, but there's a resize_reiserfs |
| 10:37.58 | JefPober | my ogg partition is getting to small |
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| 10:38.04 | JefPober | Wy: thanx :) |
| 10:38.22 | xerophyte | does anybody know hwo to use this ices with icecast server i have setup the icecast server should just upload the mp3 files to server and make play list and start the ices just wondering? |
| 10:38.27 | Zapelius | Caimlas, havent tried yet |
| 10:38.29 | rdancer | w0wie: dunno |
| 10:38.29 | Wyzard | JefPober: Delete the partition and recreate it with the same starting block and a greater length |
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| 10:38.52 | Wyzard | JefPober: Then use resize_reiserfs -- if you don't specify a size, it'll resize the filesystem to fill up the partition. |
| 10:39.01 | rdancer | w0wie: just RTFM, this should be well documented, afaik |
| 10:39.09 | JefPober | http://www.namesys.com/resize_reiserfs.html <- bookmarked :) |
| 10:39.15 | w0wie | rdancer: wat? |
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| 10:39.18 | JefPober | thanx Wyzard |
| 10:39.39 | rdancer | dpkg, tell w0wie about rtfm |
| 10:40.33 | UltraSub | compiling kernel, does this ring a bell for someone? |
| 10:40.34 | UltraSub | init/main.c:1402: warning: implicit declaration of function `bigphysarea_init' |
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| 10:40.40 | UltraSub | im kinda stuck :) |
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| 10:41.14 | rdancer | UltraSub: ugh. |
| 10:41.18 | Caimlas | Zapelius: how's that supposed to work? |
| 10:41.48 | Zapelius | Caimlas, haven't had time to check it out :) |
| 10:41.53 | rdancer | UltraSub: something with disks, lvm, ide, lba, ...? |
| 10:42.20 | UltraSub | wouldnt know really... like i said, its my first compile, so i gotta look into everything :) |
| 10:42.20 | rdancer | UltraSub: grep .config -e big -e phys -e area ? |
| 10:42.46 | UltraSub | comes up with nothing |
| 10:42.49 | Wyzard | IIRC, bigphysarea is an option for reserving a chunk of physical memory for use as buffer space by drivers |
| 10:43.09 | UltraSub | hmm |
| 10:43.12 | rdancer | UltraSub: start with a minimalistic approach; 2.6 isn't supposed to compile with all turned on, afaik :-( |
| 10:43.16 | Caimlas | Zapelius: any idea if ccache would run on the client, or the servers? |
| 10:43.42 | UltraSub | ok, gonna try again with some different settings |
| 10:43.52 | Wyzard | For 2.4 at least, it's an unofficial patch which is applied in the Debian kernel-source packages |
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| 10:43.59 | rdancer | UltraSub: yes, maybe big ram, like more than 4G, or partitioning of RAM, ... |
| 10:44.03 | sypher | Sorry, how can i take out one random line from a file full of lines? :) or from a "ls" ... |
| 10:44.08 | Zapelius | Caimlas, no clue. I quess both |
| 10:44.23 | Wyzard | seems to be built-in in 2.6 |
| 10:44.25 | rdancer | sypher: rline, iirc |
| 10:44.35 | sypher | thanks rdancer. |
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| 10:45.00 | rdancer | sypher: but not on my system :( |
| 10:45.06 | sypher | mh |
| 10:45.11 | sypher | neither on mine ... :) |
| 10:45.14 | sypher | command not found ;P |
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| 10:45.26 | sypher | other ways? |
| 10:45.31 | rdancer | sypher: read about it on debian-user, iirc (again iirc ;) |
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| 10:45.36 | UltraSub | Maximum Physical Memory i can choose 1GB or 2GB, its set at 1 |
| 10:45.44 | UltraSub | its about the only thing i see that has to do with mem |
| 10:45.55 | sypher | dunno what you mean by saying "iirc" :) |
| 10:45.58 | Wyzard|lap | UltraSub: bigphysarea isn't related to highmem (which is what you're looking at) |
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| 10:46.31 | |kenshin| | wenas |
| 10:47.03 | valberg | I got a prob with my sound card... anyone with experince with a CM8738 sound card ? |
| 10:47.04 | rdancer | !wtf iirc |
| 10:47.04 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
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| 10:47.16 | |kenshin| | alguien sabe de donde puedo sacar el logo grande de debian sin instalar linuxlogo? |
| 10:47.35 | sypher | Thanks ;P |
| 10:47.42 | ufk | i have a debian system with a usb printered hooked to it. i have linux gentoo at home and i wanna print to usb printer at work. how can i do that? |
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| 10:49.19 | valberg | Anyone that has experience with CM8738 sound card? |
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| 10:50.21 | petemc | valberg: i think i had an isa one years ago |
| 10:50.36 | petemc | yamaha shiznit |
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| 10:50.50 | valberg | petemc: did you have problems getting sound from it? |
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| 10:51.03 | petemc | valberg: nope, worked fine |
| 10:51.16 | valberg | petemc: damn... 'cause i can't get sound from mine |
| 10:52.00 | rdancer | sypher: just a simple script: sed -n $((RANDOM * numlines / RANDOM_MAX))p |
| 10:52.39 | rdancer | sypher: you can store the thing in a tempfile temporarily, or in a variable/array |
| 10:53.41 | sypher | hm? |
| 10:54.09 | sypher | never used "sed" or anything like it ;P i'm trying it now... ;P wait a little ;P |
| 10:54.25 | rdancer | sypher: just like that! ( but add +1 or -1 here or there, too sleepy now) |
| 10:54.51 | LrdMyren | why are my kernel's make menuconfig options limited to x86 machinery? how do i compile a alpha kernel? |
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| 10:55.45 | ircdevil | perl -npe does the same and much more than sed |
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| 10:57.02 | rdancer | ircdevil: yes. a swiss army chainsaw |
| 10:57.08 | rdancer | ircdevil: tim today |
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| 10:58.25 | ircdevil | rdancer i was learning sed, when i discovered i could use perl regex in a similar manner with -npe switches on |
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| 10:59.51 | rdancer | ircdevil: learn sed, it's worth it. terse syntax for things like: sed 1,3d; sed -n 3p; the regexp -is- severly limited, however |
| 11:00.09 | ircdevil | ok, have installed libquicktime4linux0, quicktime4linux-utils and libquicktime4linux-dev. however, bushin30seconds.org in galeon sas i need quicktime ? |
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| 11:01.04 | streuner | ircdevil: do you have the line of marillat in sources.list? |
| 11:01.14 | rdancer | ircdevil: try installing mplayer? galeon spontaneously started calling mplayer in an embedded window when i installed the latter :-O |
| 11:01.17 | ircdevil | streuner no |
| 11:01.31 | streuner | ircdevil: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 11:02.50 | sypher | rdancer, i cant seem to get the work done ;P i'm stupid :) |
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| 11:02.51 | ircdevil | streuner do you have the adrian bunk backports for woody sources.list line? |
| 11:03.07 | streuner | ircdevil: just a sec. |
| 11:03.17 | simonrvn | @tell p about root |
| 11:04.11 | rdancer | sypher: you aren't; it's a bit tricky |
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| 11:04.23 | nk__ | damn, how's that popular command-line ripping program named? wanna use it again but lost the filename :/ |
| 11:04.32 | simonrvn | @tell root_ about root |
| 11:04.42 | simonrvn | cdrecord? |
| 11:04.50 | ircdevil | simonrvn looks like you have a steady job there :o) |
| 11:04.52 | simonrvn | no.. |
| 11:04.59 | simonrvn | ircdevil: *G* |
| 11:05.04 | simonrvn | :( |
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| 11:05.10 | rdancer | $RANDOM is there from bash (maybe sh, dunno), and $MAX_RANDOM must be set to the maximum value $RANDOM is able to assume (just try it out) |
| 11:05.27 | ircdevil | simonrvn would it be really bad to have one of the bot's do it automagically - or will you be out of job then? |
| 11:05.45 | rdancer | sypher: do not assign to $RANDOM |
| 11:06.25 | sypher | well but that means i have to dynamically count the lines before passing them to sed... |
| 11:06.27 | sypher | what a mess.... |
| 11:06.39 | streuner | simonrvn: well, root_ was me, can't paste the bunk-lines as root... |
| 11:06.40 | simonrvn | ircdevil: supposedly on some bots rootwarn includes the tell foo about root thing. my bot has it enabled, but it's not working. dunno about the other ones |
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| 11:06.48 | sypher | and i just want to change the background LOOL :) |
| 11:07.02 | ircdevil | streuner aint this it: deb http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free |
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| 11:07.32 | streuner_ | #deb http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main |
| 11:07.32 | streuner_ | deb http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free |
| 11:08.00 | ircdevil | yup - this bunk's got a lot of packages |
| 11:08.07 | streuner_ | ircdevil: bunk-1 main contrib non-free |
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| 11:08.40 | rdancer | sypher: you will never know the total amount of lines _before_ you count them |
| 11:08.49 | rdancer | sypher: think about it |
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| 11:09.13 | streuner | ircdevil: there is another line '2' instead of 1, IIRC, don't know what that is. |
| 11:09.47 | ircdevil | streuner deb-src maybe? |
| 11:09.50 | *** part/#debian RzR (rzr@d213-103-68-84.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 11:09.52 | sypher | rdancer, yes i know that... but that sed funct you passed me wasnt for extracting a random line? |
| 11:10.00 | streuner | ircdevil: no idea |
| 11:10.33 | ircdevil | streuner anyway, i got two new sources.list lines and is upgrading. hold on to your butts |
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| 11:11.32 | streuner | ircdevil: the codecs are NOT in bunk's reps. |
| 11:11.50 | w0wie | anyone know anything about pinning, i have a couple of questions |
| 11:12.21 | ircdevil | streuner but in the marillat? |
| 11:12.32 | streuner | yep |
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| 11:13.52 | Brahmo | hi |
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| 11:14.23 | rdancer | sypher: it's rl(1), not rline, at least Antony Gelberg says so on debian-user :-) |
| 11:14.30 | sypher | rdancer, found a way: awk 'rand()*NR<=1 {l=$0} END {print l}' |
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| 11:14.45 | Brahmo | is vi or emacs more powerful? |
| 11:14.46 | sypher | rl or rline... always saying command not found ;P |
| 11:14.58 | streuner | !start an editor war |
| 11:14.58 | dpkg | zile sucks |
| 11:15.20 | rdancer | sypher: this is by no way random |
| 11:15.37 | sypher | no? |
| 11:15.50 | Brahmo | streuner, what is an editor war? |
| 11:15.56 | sypher | dunno if it is or not, it is now seeming to work ... if it dosnt tell me why plz :) |
| 11:16.03 | floppyears | can somebody please tell me where is i2c_proc in the kernel |
| 11:16.04 | ircdevil | Brahmo it up to you to decide. vim has a tutorial, emacs has a tutorial. both tutorial are worth testing |
| 11:16.12 | floppyears | I have looked and looked, but I can't find where it its |
| 11:16.23 | ircdevil | ... and then you choose vim and sanity |
| 11:16.35 | Rawplayer | floppyears: which kernel ? |
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| 11:16.43 | floppyears | Rawplayer:2.6 |
| 11:16.51 | Brahmo | I have heard that emacs is not merily an editor but a mini OS. Is that true? |
| 11:17.21 | rdancer | sypher: no way. Antony has it like this: wmsetbg "`ls $1 | rl -c 1`" |
| 11:17.27 | Rawplayer | yes Brahmo that is true :p |
| 11:17.33 | ircdevil | Brahmo there are meny functions to emacs. it can stand in as window manager. not os |
| 11:17.54 | sypher | yes ... rdancer i have seen it ... but i dont have the "rl" command ... |
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| 11:18.47 | sypher | if u can tell me where to get "rl" command all would be much more simplier LoL :) |
| 11:18.47 | dasunt | emacs is but a list interpreter. |
| 11:19.00 | Rawplayer | floppyears: Device Drivers ; I20 device support |
| 11:19.11 | dasunt | Since I believe that LISP is Turing Complete, Emacs can do anything. ;) |
| 11:20.03 | dasunt | Hmmmm. |
| 11:20.06 | Brahmo | dasunt; What all can you do with Lisp? Is it hard to master? |
| 11:20.35 | ircdevil | is emacs ported to winblows? |
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| 11:20.42 | paquin | is IBM 330 SMP (PII) known to woody debian installer? I have problems on booting such machine with vanilla kernel (kernel panic...) |
| 11:20.44 | dasunt | Brahmo: Er, basically, its like any other programming language. |
| 11:21.09 | dasunt | Emacs is on windows, so is several vi clones, such as VIM. |
| 11:21.14 | Brahmo | ircdevil; Yes and any OS you can name |
| 11:21.27 | dasunt | Brahmo: SkyOS! |
| 11:21.33 | Brahmo | I love VIM. It is excellent |
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| 11:21.48 | Brahmo | dasunt; what is that? |
| 11:21.58 | dasunt | EMACS is just overkill. |
| 11:22.14 | ircdevil | k, i know vim is ported to winblows and works beautifully |
| 11:22.19 | dasunt | Brahmo: Just an OS someone is building/playing around with. Google for more details. |
| 11:22.24 | floppyears | Rawplayer:that is i20 support I am looking for i2c support |
| 11:22.32 | Brahmo | heh heh |
| 11:22.35 | dasunt | I'm tempted to learn LISP just for Sawfish though. |
| 11:22.55 | petemc | floppyears: its in character devices |
| 11:23.08 | dasunt | I'm curious to see if Sawfish is more extensible then FVWM2. |
| 11:23.52 | petemc | floppyears: are you setting up video4linux? |
| 11:24.02 | Brahmo | dasunt; Try fluxbox... my favourate |
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| 11:25.25 | dasunt | Brahmo: Fluxbox isn't customizable enough for me without hacking the code. |
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| 11:26.05 | Brahmo | dasunt; It is quite simple. |
| 11:26.21 | Benoa | Hi. Getting " ImportError: No module named wxPython.wx" although I have "libwxgtk2.4-python" installed. Anybody could help me ? |
| 11:26.56 | LrdMyren | when i setup my route |
| 11:27.00 | LrdMyren | then type route again |
| 11:27.02 | LrdMyren | route hangs |
| 11:27.18 | LrdMyren | i should have nat sharing setup on the default gateway i'm trying to specify |
| 11:27.25 | zomtec | dpkg |
| 11:27.25 | UltraSub | is this an advisable release: kernel-source-2.6.0 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.0 with Debian patches |
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| 11:27.38 | UltraSub | coz i used unstable |
| 11:27.49 | rdancer | sypher: it's nowhere in Woody, AFAICT. but the script is easy. |
| 11:28.03 | sypher | i have sid. |
| 11:28.07 | sypher | !wtf AFAICT |
| 11:28.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, afaict is As Far As I Can Tell, afaict anywayz |
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| 11:28.18 | revengeslayer | question for experts: i have 10.000 servers over the world and need to update every day at 3AM with a max package of 5MB, how is it possible to make this work smoothly? since my web server only has 100 connections at a time and the servers have wget to download packages.. anyone? |
| 11:28.26 | sypher | so, can u tell me the script or where to get it? ;P |
| 11:28.37 | rdancer | sypher: if you know the number of lines in advance, you don't have to store them, just do RANDOM*num-of-lines / max-random + 1 and here we go |
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| 11:28.48 | rdancer | dpkg, who is revengeslayer? |
| 11:28.53 | dpkg | rdancer: what are you talking about? |
| 11:29.12 | rdancer | dpkg, revengeslayer is a B-O-T! |
| 11:29.12 | dpkg | ...but revengeslayer is already something else... |
| 11:29.22 | rdancer | dpkg, ok, he's a bot. |
| 11:29.22 | dpkg | rdancer: no idea |
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| 11:30.07 | LrdMyren | i could just be completely tired |
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| 11:30.15 | rdancer | sypher: you have it, already. not a perfect one, but it shall work |
| 11:30.20 | LrdMyren | but i thought revengeslayer was responding to me at one point |
| 11:30.33 | zomtec | revengeslayer: what do you mean? |
| 11:30.51 | rdancer | LrdMyren: me to; clever one ;) |
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| 11:32.43 | VoX | hi,, i've got a sc509 nic. when i try to modconf it, it tells me it's not valid, yet when i do a lspci it shows up. what am i doing wrong? |
| 11:32.59 | LrdMyren | in that case, i reverse my former prognosis and fully recommend bittorrent to revengeslayer |
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| 11:33.03 | VoX | err3c509 |
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| 11:33.49 | Zap-W | why dosen't this server allow ANSI characters |
| 11:33.52 | VoX | umm disregard |
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| 11:34.36 | wiz | clear |
| 11:34.38 | wiz | bah |
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| 11:34.44 | debutaunt | zap, cause ANSI characters on irc are lame? |
| 11:35.21 | wiz | Ok, I redid the partition on my secondary drive to get rid of windows, but gtkdiskfree's only seeing it as 86 gigs when its 200 gigs.... any ideas? |
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| 11:36.09 | asian | what are the 'X files' ? |
| 11:36.22 | Zap-W | debutaunt : i disagree |
| 11:36.26 | asian | im only asking here because i wasnt getting anyhelp in #kdevelop |
| 11:36.28 | petemc | asian: tv show about aliens n shit |
| 11:36.32 | asian | haha |
| 11:36.36 | asian | i knew someone would say that |
| 11:36.41 | petemc | :) |
| 11:36.45 | debutaunt | zap, then run your own server and allow them ;) |
| 11:36.48 | rdancer | wiz: cfdisk, df -- what these say? |
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| 11:36.58 | LrdMyren | asian: never confess something like that. :-] |
| 11:36.59 | asian | i cant run a configure...and im on a new box trying to configure a project from my old one |
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| 11:37.03 | Zap-W | debutaunt : and show off to myself? |
| 11:37.03 | asian | =) |
| 11:37.03 | grzesiek | hi |
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| 11:37.24 | wiz | rdancer, cfdisk says 200047.04mb |
| 11:37.26 | asian | i wouldnt..but i knew someone would soon enough say something: " that has nothing to do with debian!! " |
| 11:37.26 | debutaunt | zap, you'd be the only one that you'd impress |
| 11:37.31 | Zap-W | i forgot how to make a pretty ansi prompt |
| 11:37.47 | rdancer | wiz: df? |
| 11:37.50 | wiz | rdancer: df says 86gb |
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| 11:38.22 | rdancer | wiz: real df(1), not the graphical frontend or what, right? |
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| 11:38.29 | nicoooo | Hello |
| 11:38.37 | grzesiek | can anyone tell me how to self-sign certificate for apache-ssl? |
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| 11:38.53 | nicoooo | I want to start with DEBIAN but how many cd should I download because there is 7 cds |
| 11:39.02 | wiz | rdancer: yeah and when I did my hda1 to make a part on freespace it changed hda from 200gb to 95 I just noticed that |
| 11:39.15 | grzesiek | nicoooo : just get first one and do net install |
| 11:39.31 | rdancer | wiz: that may be the reason ;) |
| 11:39.39 | nicoooo | <grzesiek>I can't do net install because I have a usb modem not an ethernet |
| 11:39.51 | wiz | rdancer ? |
| 11:39.59 | petemc | nicoooo: first cd is enough |
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| 11:40.34 | nicoooo | petemc>ok and in the first cd is GCC GNOME ETC ? Can I know what package are stored on the first cd ? |
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| 11:40.56 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 11:40.58 | asian | no worries everyone...someone saw my question in #kdevelop |
| 11:41.00 | asian | thanx though |
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| 11:41.20 | rdancer | nicoooo: get as much as possible, starting with #1. get non-us, not the crippled #1. get at least #1 & #2. the further cds contain programs less and less people actualy use much, but these are still useful ;) |
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| 11:41.53 | rdancer | wiz: repartition hda1 to span the whole disk, what's the prob? |
| 11:42.14 | wiz | rdancer: I can do that on the partition that my root's mounted on with cfdisk? |
| 11:42.17 | nicoooo | rdancer>ok because I need just compiler and gnome and don't want open office etc I want juste the minimum with a X, after that I will download the source from internet |
| 11:42.57 | rdancer | wiz: filesystem? |
| 11:43.06 | wiz | rdancer: ext2 |
| 11:43.17 | rdancer | nicoooo: not sure about gnome ;) |
| 11:43.29 | nicoooo | rdancer>oki :/ |
| 11:43.57 | rdancer | nicoooo: then get #1, install the base, and setup /etc/apt/sources.list appropriately; off you go. |
| 11:44.09 | nicoooo | rdancer>and at the install is the kernel configure to support usb peripheral etc ? |
| 11:44.30 | nicoooo | <rdancer>ok ok If I can install my usb modem it's ok |
| 11:44.34 | rdancer | wiz: shutdown now; cfdisk; resize2fs |
| 11:45.10 | wiz | rdancer: if I shutdown how do I cf? shutdown -r now? |
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| 11:45.35 | rdancer | nicoooo: 2.4bf is my favourite; you don't really need `etc.' in an install kernel; /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 11:45.48 | rdancer | wiz: cf? |
| 11:45.58 | wiz | rdancer: cfdisk |
| 11:46.24 | rdancer | wiz: ah. Shut down to singleuser first, then cfdisk then resize2fs. |
| 11:46.47 | rdancer | wiz: but you can as well make just another partition. Maybe that would be wiser, too. |
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| 11:47.09 | rdancer | wiz: fs corruption & al. |
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| 11:47.33 | veleno | is it possibile from dselect to remove also configuration files for some package? |
| 11:47.51 | wiz | rdancer: thats the problem, I made another partition on hdb and deleted/made a new partition on hda, then hdb shows up as less than it was before, and hdb shows up as less than the partition I made on it. |
| 11:48.16 | rdancer | veleno: not that i would know about; use apt-get remove --purge; maybe some apt configfile options |
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| 11:48.24 | eeyore- | veleno: "purge" (dpkg --purge) |
| 11:48.29 | Nurbs | veleno: yes, purge the package (p?) - read the help or use some better tool and apt-get --purge remove dselect :p |
| 11:49.13 | rdancer | wiz: dd if=file-you-want-to-know-the-real-size of=/dev/null bs=1M |
| 11:50.08 | Nurbs | veleno: you could try aptitude or synaptic, most prefer those over dselect (if they want some frontend) |
| 11:50.12 | rdancer | Nurbs: where do you see (p?)??? |
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| 11:50.27 | rdancer | Nurbs: oh, stupid i!! |
| 11:50.27 | wiz | rdancer: dd: unrecognized option `'=`/dev/null' |
| 11:50.35 | rdancer | Nurbs: i see it now |
| 11:50.38 | Nurbs | heh |
| 11:50.41 | rdancer | wiz: man dd |
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| 11:50.56 | Nurbs | rdancer: but really, dselect is like the first thing I remove after an install :) |
| 11:51.00 | wiz | rdancer: besides how's that going to fix missing space on my hd's? |
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| 11:51.13 | petemc | Nurbs: thats silly |
| 11:51.22 | Nurbs | heh |
| 11:51.26 | rdancer | veleno, Nurbs: sorry |
| 11:51.28 | Nurbs | nah, I just hate that tool :) |
| 11:51.32 | Nurbs | uh |
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| 11:51.45 | Nurbs | rdancer: damn, confused you, too |
| 11:51.50 | rdancer | wiz: i already told you |
| 11:51.53 | veleno | rdancer: nope |
| 11:52.04 | rdancer | Nurbs: ?? |
| 11:52.10 | wiz | rdancer: I dont understand can you simplify it for me? |
| 11:52.16 | rdancer | wiz: no |
| 11:52.17 | Nurbs | rdancer: I actually meant veleno :) |
| 11:52.21 | veleno | do u know where kde conf files are usually sotred' |
| 11:52.29 | colde89 | get kernel-panic with 2.6 (unable to open initial console) any idea ?? |
| 11:52.30 | veleno | store |
| 11:52.32 | Nurbs | petemc: I don't think it's stupid, it's just a matter of preference |
| 11:52.32 | rdancer | Nurbs: ugly you ;) |
| 11:52.45 | Nurbs | heh |
| 11:52.50 | wiz | Does anyone have a simple explanation for why I'm missing 40 gigs of one drive and 20 gigs of another after using cfdisk to edit the partition tables? |
| 11:53.10 | veleno | Nurbs: dselect helps a lot if u don't have a X running and don't want to check every single packages installed |
| 11:53.24 | eeyore- | veleno: dpkg --listfiles [package names] |
| 11:53.31 | ircdevil | does anyone know if all conversation of freenode is logged? |
| 11:53.35 | Nurbs | I do know what I have installed with dpkg --get-selections and such |
| 11:53.47 | lawrie | what's the command to load and unload modules? |
| 11:53.54 | eeyore- | veleno: time for you to "man dpkg" |
| 11:53.58 | rdancer | Nurbs: aptitude is unstable, at least in stable ;( |
| 11:53.59 | Nurbs | also, I manage installed packages with debfoster to get rid of unnecessary packages |
| 11:54.05 | petemc | lawrie: modconf |
| 11:54.06 | Nurbs | rdancer: heh, ok. :) |
| 11:54.13 | lawrie | thanks petemc |
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| 11:56.06 | eeyore- | wiz: how big are the drives? |
| 11:57.25 | veleno | eeyore-: i'm "man-ning" |
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| 11:57.47 | ircdevil | streuner ok, im finished with the upgrade - but i still dont have quicktime working in galeon? |
| 11:58.10 | wiz | eeyore-: 200gb |
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| 11:58.29 | PDani | hi |
| 11:58.39 | PDani | how can i simulate a windows-reboot in wine? |
| 11:58.42 | LrdMyren | wiz: theres your problem, most likely. over 137 gigs or so and drives start getting wiggy |
| 11:59.01 | wiz | LrdMyren: They give me no problems when I have one os installed on them with one partition |
| 11:59.02 | eeyore- | wiz: make sure your controller supports 48-bit IDE |
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| 11:59.27 | wiz | eeyore-: I just had windowsxp on one of these drives with all 200gb visable and usable |
| 11:59.28 | eeyore- | wiz: is this firewire? plain IDE? |
| 11:59.32 | LrdMyren | wiz: it might just be cfdisk the application taht has an issue with the size |
| 11:59.32 | wiz | ide |
| 11:59.34 | ircdevil | how do i get quicktime working in galeon? |
| 11:59.49 | eeyore- | wiz: ok, did you tune2fs and crank down the reserved percentage? |
| 11:59.49 | wiz | LrdMyren: can you suggest another app? Other than parted heh |
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| 11:59.57 | wiz | eeyore-: huh? |
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| 12:00.16 | eeyore- | wiz: "tune2fs -m 1" = 1% reserved |
| 12:00.36 | eeyore- | wiz: 1% of 200GB is quite a bit, still |
| 12:00.55 | wiz | eeyore-: what does that do? |
| 12:01.03 | eeyore- | wiz: so you might be better off with "tune2fs -r 1000000 /dev/..." |
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| 12:01.36 | eeyore- | wiz: adjust the "reserved for root" space for ext2/ext3 partitions. those are space not available to you, so you might think they're "missing" |
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| 12:01.57 | wiz | eeyore-: tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda |
| 12:01.57 | wiz | Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. |
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| 12:02.07 | eeyore- | wiz: you tune *partitions*, not entire drive |
| 12:02.12 | ircdevil | what is the difference between mplayer-k7, mplayer-686, and mplayer-386 ? |
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| 12:02.29 | wiz | eeyore-: I think since this is an almost fresh install I'm going to reinstall debian with new partitions, that'd probably fix it anyway right? |
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| 12:02.54 | eeyore- | wiz: not necessarily. debian probably defaults to 5% or so reserved, which is quite wasteful on large partitions |
| 12:03.19 | wiz | eeyore-: I shouldn't be missing more than half the drive if its just the % reserve? |
| 12:03.22 | eeyore- | wiz: what's so hard about tune2fs? |
| 12:03.25 | xerophyte | how can i make full path text file.. i mean i have 100 files on the directory i need to make text which give full path to all the files in that directory ? |
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| 12:04.09 | eeyore- | wiz: you ask for "easy explanations" :) |
| 12:04.19 | eeyore- | wiz: there are "harder explanations" |
| 12:04.37 | wiz | eeyore-: i'm right though arn't I? I shouldn't be missing more than half the drive if its just the reserve? |
| 12:04.48 | Saw^ | xerophyte: try "ls /path_to_dir/* >" |
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| 12:04.54 | baikonur | hi |
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| 12:05.12 | xerophyte | Saw^ will that give me full path it didnt give me |
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| 12:05.56 | eeyore- | wiz: you said your drive is 200GB. 40GB is *not* more than half the drive |
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| 12:05.59 | asac | xerophyte: find /path_to_dir/ |
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| 12:06.07 | Saw^ | xerophyte: hmh... it didn't seem to work after all =/ (I just tried it with one file first) |
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| 12:06.20 | xerophyte | Saw^ that worked thanks |
| 12:06.23 | eeyore- | wiz: if you're missing more than half the drive, then the drive is probably not being recognized in 48-bit IDE |
| 12:06.36 | eeyore- | wiz: but again, i need more specific numbers, here |
| 12:06.48 | baikonur | What can I do if my 80GB hdd isn't recognized correctly by the BIOS and the IDENTIFY DRIVE command isn't working correctly too? is it possible to set C*H*S etc. by hand? |
| 12:07.16 | wiz | eeyore-: I can give you more specific numbers if you want? |
| 12:07.20 | eeyore- | baikonur: in what way is it not recognized correctly? |
| 12:07.37 | ircdevil | how does xine compare to mplayer? xine seems to have a nice gui - but what about rendering? |
| 12:07.49 | eeyore- | wiz: sure, start with drive's listed capacity, then tell me how many partitions you have, how much root you actually have (df -kh) and how much room you think you should have |
| 12:07.55 | baikonur | eeyore-: I can paste the kernel output to flood!? |
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| 12:09.18 | eeyore- | baikonur: are you sure your hdb is not dying? |
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| 12:09.41 | eeyore- | baikonur: DriveReady SeekComplete / DriveStatusError is pretty typical of dying drives |
| 12:09.45 | baikonur | eeyore-: it is a Maxtor Diamond Max Plus 9 6Y080L0 and not a Maxor Calypso |
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| 12:10.14 | baikonur | eeyore-: it is virgin |
| 12:10.20 | eeyore- | baokon: smartsuite, install it. run "smartctl -C -t long /dev/hdb", and "smartctl -l selftest" |
| 12:10.29 | eeyore- | baikonur: drives do arrive DOA ... |
| 12:10.36 | wiz | eeyore-: /dev/hda is 200GB, has just /dev/hda1 available 83GB and /dev/hdb is the exact same drive 200GB; 3 partitions hdb1 is swap, hdb2 is root, hdb3 is my extra storage part I just made. 90GB available |
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| 12:11.08 | eeyore- | baikonur: or if it makes you feel better, you can run maxtor-approved diagnostics tools |
| 12:11.48 | eeyore- | wiz: show me "df -h" for /dev/hda1 |
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| 12:12.23 | wiz | eeyore-: |
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| 12:12.29 | wiz | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 12:12.30 | wiz | /dev/hda1 87G 52K 83G 1% /downloads |
| 12:12.37 | DevilX | Hi |
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| 12:13.16 | baikonur | eeyore-: Package smartsuite has no installation candidate |
| 12:13.17 | eeyore- | wiz: fdisk /dev/hda, o (create new empty dos partition), w (write), reboot |
| 12:13.24 | eeyore- | wiz: maybe partition table has wrong geometry |
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| 12:13.48 | eeyore- | wiz: first verify kernel has correct geometry, cat /proc/ide/hda/geometry |
| 12:14.05 | ircdevil | how do i get quicktime to work with galeon? |
| 12:14.17 | eeyore- | baino: sorry, "smartmontools" |
| 12:14.40 | wiz | eeyore-: 24321/255/63 for both drives |
| 12:15.03 | eeyore- | wiz: "fdisk -l /dev/hda" (don't show me), verify partition table has correct geometry and matches kernel |
| 12:15.11 | eeyore- | wiz: are you using LBA? |
| 12:15.17 | wiz | eeyore-: not sure |
| 12:15.23 | eeyore- | wiz: there should be a "logical" line in /proc/ide/hda/geometry |
| 12:15.50 | classw | does anyone know where i can find a billing system for free??? |
| 12:15.55 | wiz | eeyore-: yeah the physical and logical are the same |
| 12:16.08 | wiz | eeyore-: I'm curious... I was thinking about doing a reinstall of debian anyway? Would that fix it/ |
| 12:16.11 | eeyore- | wiz: you probably want to use LBA, makes bios happy |
| 12:16.24 | baikonur | eeyore-: do you have a clue why the hdd is recognized as Maxtor Calypso and not as Maxtor Diamond Max Plus 9 6Y080L0? and what do you mean with maxtor-approved diagnostic tools? |
| 12:16.38 | eeyore- | wiz: if you do "fdisk -l /dev/hda" now, your C/H/S settings in partition table is probably way wrong |
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| 12:17.08 | simonrvn | classw: apt-cache search billing |
| 12:17.23 | eeyore- | wiz: it's probably clipped to 1024 cylinders or something, that's probably why you're seeing only a small amount of space |
| 12:17.26 | wiz | eeyore-: I think it is, I just ran parted and it says the OS thinks the geometry on dev/hda is 24321/255/63 therefore cylinder 1024 ends at 8032.499m which would be the problem? |
| 12:17.31 | classw | simonrvn where? |
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| 12:17.47 | simonrvn | classw: in a term, where else? |
| 12:17.52 | eeyore- | wiz: that's probably it. reboot, go to bios, enable LBA, reinstall linux (use bf24) |
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| 12:18.18 | classw | simonrvn i have find 1, but |
| 12:18.18 | simonrvn | classw: could you do /exec -o cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 12:18.21 | classw | there is not a |
| 12:18.27 | classw | debian version |
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| 12:18.30 | wiz | eeyore-: alright, thanks.... when I recompile the kernel for smp and stuff afterwards is there anything I should be wary of for this problem? |
| 12:18.33 | classw | only redhat and suse |
| 12:18.51 | classw | wich can i use best? |
| 12:18.57 | eeyore- | baikonur: when you RMA drives, the manufacturer probably wants you to run a tool to prove to them that (a) the drive is really dead and (b) you know what the hell you're doing |
| 12:18.58 | classw | redhat or suse? |
| 12:19.08 | eeyore- | baikonur: that's what i mean by "maxtor-approved diagnostics tool" |
| 12:19.16 | simonrvn | classw: this is a debian channel, go see #redhat or #suse fi you want those |
| 12:19.25 | eeyore- | wiz: it's a bios thing, not kernel |
| 12:19.28 | classw | u don't understand me |
| 12:19.34 | classw | i have a debian machine |
| 12:19.50 | classw | and find a php script |
| 12:19.56 | simonrvn | classw: then use alien on the rpm(s) |
| 12:19.57 | eeyore- | baikonur: as far as calypso, well, it's whatever the drive reports to the controller |
| 12:20.02 | wiz | eeyore-: just checking, don't wanna break it again :) |
| 12:20.04 | classw | him oke |
| 12:20.05 | wiz | thanks |
| 12:20.13 | eeyore- | baikonur: what matters to linux is what the drive reports, /proc/ide/*/model |
| 12:21.15 | eeyore- | classw: billing system? |
| 12:21.29 | eeyore- | nevermind |
| 12:21.29 | classw | syes |
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| 12:21.40 | eeyore- | i'm backlogged :-D |
| 12:21.54 | classw | eeyore- it's a invoice script |
| 12:22.02 | _mechanix | hi ! it is true that XFS is *much* better than ext3? |
| 12:22.07 | classw | for ISP's |
| 12:22.31 | eeyore- | classw: there's a time-honored tradition of rolling your own ;-) |
| 12:22.46 | lan-man | _mechanix, there's a few bench marks you can find through Google |
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| 12:23.12 | bghfhfg | What is the Linux WMM equivalent? |
| 12:23.28 | _mechanix | lan-man : i'm thinking about installing it on a old machine.... a P75.... |
| 12:23.40 | lan-man | lan-man, IIRC XFS writes faster to just about all other FS, and itself, but the deleting times are poor compared to the other FS |
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| 12:23.55 | lan-man | lan-man, it's also much better in moving large data, compared to small |
| 12:23.59 | lan-man | woops |
| 12:24.07 | petemc | bghfhfg: what is WMM? |
| 12:24.17 | eeyore- | lan-man: slow delete time? flashback to amiga ffs? |
| 12:24.18 | lan-man | _mechanix, it's also much better in moving large data, compared to small |
| 12:24.26 | eeyore- | lan-man: oh yeah, solaris ufs too |
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| 12:24.55 | lan-man | eeyore-, sorry? |
| 12:24.58 | _mechanix | lan-man : so i think i'll stay with my old friend ext3 ;D |
| 12:25.06 | bghfhfg | pete...ummm... can't see that second-to-last letter: Windows Movie Maker. |
| 12:25.25 | ircdevil | aargh. after upgrade x will not start. the screen just blinks slowly on and of (lcd). Caught signal 11. Server aborting ??? |
| 12:25.27 | petemc | bghfhfg: maybe look at cinelarra |
| 12:25.38 | ircdevil | and i thought woody was supposed to be stable :o) |
| 12:25.40 | lan-man | _mechanix, but this is just from memory, I might have muddled a few details.. so it might be safer to Google just in case :) |
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| 12:25.47 | eeyore- | ircdevil: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 12:25.49 | ircdevil | (probably some bunk backport package) |
| 12:26.08 | nicoooo | is it possible to view what package are present on each 7 cd of debian please ? |
| 12:26.26 | eeyore- | nicoooo: yes, "ls" |
| 12:26.49 | gb | nicoooo: yes |
| 12:26.50 | baikonur | eeyore-: if the drive is connected to the computer the hdd led shines constantly |
| 12:26.59 | bghfhfg | There's no Debian Cinelarra package, and I can't find the website. |
| 12:27.03 | ircdevil | eeyore- no errors as in (EE) only the msg i pasted |
| 12:27.10 | _mechanix | nicoooo : do a ls -lR > CD1 (example) on each CD |
| 12:27.19 | gb | baikonur: easy fixed with one swing of a 15lb sledgehammer |
| 12:27.45 | baikonur | gb: ah, yes, thank you |
| 12:27.49 | eeyore- | baikonur: why do you discount the possibility that the drive could be DOA? |
| 12:27.51 | gb | remove all protective coverings first of course :) |
| 12:27.56 | nicoooo | gb>where please |
| 12:28.18 | eeyore- | baikonur: do you trust Maxtor/UPS that much? :-) |
| 12:28.20 | nicoooo | <eeyore->Is there a webpage who list all the package on each cd ? |
| 12:28.37 | gb | maxtors are good doorstops :) |
| 12:28.40 | eeyore- | nicoooo: just mount the cd and look :-D |
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| 12:29.16 | petemc | baikonur: cinelerra |
| 12:29.17 | nicoooo | <eeyore-> ok thanks I will do that |
| 12:29.21 | petemc | oops |
| 12:29.50 | _mechanix | gb : maxtors are great for soccer too... don't u forget that ;D |
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| 12:29.53 | ircdevil | crap! i hate when x does this |
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| 12:30.16 | baikonur | eeyore-: I bought it in a local store and brought it home myself and never had broken hardware so this is something new to me so that I also don't know how to react and how to proove that it is really dead |
| 12:30.22 | hirs | there is a way to disable ipv6 from XFree 4.3 debian packages? |
| 12:30.30 | ircdevil | is this important for x to work: Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! |
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| 12:30.54 | danor | it it possible to get snfs to work on debian? |
| 12:30.57 | hirs | ircdevil, no |
| 12:31.03 | ircdevil | hirs ok |
| 12:31.05 | _mechanix | ircdevil : your font server isn't running.... |
| 12:31.22 | ircdevil | _mechanix my x is not running! :( |
| 12:31.24 | eeyore- | baikonur: told you, smartctl, or, run maxtor diagnostics tool. it's *not* uncommon to have new *and* dead drives |
| 12:31.55 | hirs | ircdevil, you have to write your fonts paths to XF86Config-4 |
| 12:31.58 | _mechanix | ircdevil : yeah but even when x isn't running , your xfs is there waiting for X ;D it is responsible to serving all fonts to X |
| 12:32.02 | gahan | how do i check glibc version? |
| 12:32.15 | caphuso | gahan: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 12:32.27 | ircdevil | hirs how |
| 12:32.40 | eeyore- | baikonur: we're replacing 3 maxtor drives this week ... but, that's because we use more or less only maxtor's now |
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| 12:32.44 | scrooch | hi |
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| 12:32.51 | scrooch | hoi to make a kernel header file? |
| 12:33.14 | scrooch | i already compiled the kernel from source, its still there |
| 12:33.17 | ircdevil | anyway - i am much more interested in getting x back online |
| 12:33.20 | scrooch | kernel is working |
| 12:33.21 | eeyore- | baikonur: on my own system i still prefer seagate barracuda, but my buddy picks up maxtor's mostly :-D |
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| 12:33.30 | harsha123 | hello.. .what does it mean when apt-get says "Unable to fetch a package due to MD5Sum mismatch? " |
| 12:33.35 | harsha123 | how to get around? |
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| 12:34.04 | eeyore- | harsha123: do you have any http / ftp proxy cache? |
| 12:34.06 | _mechanix | ircdevil : try "xfs &" and then "startx" |
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| 12:34.22 | harsha123 | eeyore-: Yes. |
| 12:34.25 | rnc | what do you guys use to mount nfs on windows ? |
| 12:34.33 | eeyore- | harsha123: remove the affected file from the proxy cache |
| 12:34.41 | ircdevil | interesting. no xfs |
| 12:34.46 | Nurbs | rnc: doesn't sfu do that? |
| 12:34.46 | harsha123 | eeyore-: ok doing it.. brb |
| 12:34.50 | DevilX | couldn anybody please help me? Enemy-Territory doesn't work anymore till I've the new 2.6.1.. it hangs up after "------- sound initialization -------". I already changed the Sound-Device to /dev/null, but it still doesn't work |
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| 12:35.05 | Nurbs | rnc: windows "services for unix" |
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| 12:35.30 | ircdevil | _mechanix yes |
| 12:35.31 | ifireball | is there any identd that supports masqrading and won't be conflicted by harden? |
| 12:35.35 | baikonur | eeyore-: okay, thank very much, I hope I'll get a new one |
| 12:36.00 | eeyore- | baikonur: so smartctl doesn't run? |
| 12:36.00 | pro | does anyone know of a script that i can run that will repack my whole system into .deb files? |
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| 12:36.12 | rnc | Nurbs: hmm. interesting. cygwin should do that, right ? |
| 12:36.31 | hirs | there are XFree86 4.3 for sid with ipv6 disabled debian packages? |
| 12:36.33 | pro | so i can put them on the cd and just install this exact config over and over and over |
| 12:36.39 | eeyore- | baikonur: i assume you're hooking the drive up correctly, right? you checked the cabling and things like that, right? |
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| 12:37.14 | eeyore- | pro: look into "bootcd" package |
| 12:37.19 | Nurbs | rnc: no |
| 12:37.36 | pro | eeyore- thanks!! |
| 12:37.40 | Nurbs | rnc: Microsoft offers Windows Services for UNIX for free afaik, google for thtat |
| 12:37.43 | ircdevil | _mechanix ok, i killed all xfs. ran xfs & as root. startx as user, but no. i still get fatal server error but no (EE) in the log ??? |
| 12:37.59 | ircdevil | btw, i dont get the font path message anymore |
| 12:38.07 | rnc | Nurbs: ok, thanks |
| 12:38.40 | gahan | caphuso: is there any other way |
| 12:38.44 | ircdevil | strange thing is there no warnings or errors in the log |
| 12:38.48 | gahan | caphuso: to check glibc ver |
| 12:39.03 | caphuso | gahan: why do you need another way? |
| 12:39.33 | gahan | caphuso: i just wonder |
| 12:39.36 | eeyore- | caphuso: because he's got no dpkg command :-D |
| 12:39.43 | gahan | caphuso: ok ok i got shell on slackware :) |
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| 12:40.49 | eeyore- | gahan: ls -l /lib/libc* |
| 12:40.49 | gahan | eeyore-: /lib isn't readable |
| 12:40.49 | eeyore- | gahan: eh? |
| 12:40.49 | baikonur | eeyore-: I believe it, don't know what cabling problems there could be, the drive is correctly jumpered and should run as UDMA33 what should be no problem because of downward compatibility |
| 12:40.49 | gahan | eeyore-: i'm not root |
| 12:40.53 | ircdevil | _meckanix ps aux |grep xfs, shows that xfs is indeed running. |
| 12:41.00 | gahan | eeyore-: ok i did ls -l /lib/libc-2.3.2.so :) |
| 12:41.01 | gahan | thx |
| 12:41.17 | eeyore- | baikonur: you could skip a row on IDE connectors without the block ... |
| 12:41.30 | eeyore- | baikonur: you could use 40-conductor cable when you should use 80-conductor cable ... |
| 12:41.33 | _mechanix | ircdevil : send me your xf86config |
| 12:41.47 | eeyore- | baikonur: you could skip a column on IDE connectors that have no key ... |
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| 12:42.26 | ircdevil | _mechanix one moment here. this used to work until i but adrian bunks deb in my sources.list and upgraded. before that all was good. so the XF86config-4 file is ok |
| 12:42.34 | ifireball | (nag) anybody here knows an ident deamon that supposts masquaraded connections and isn't conflicted by harden-servers ? |
| 12:42.36 | ircdevil | s/but/put |
| 12:42.41 | danor | it it possible to get snfs to work on debian? |
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| 12:43.03 | baikonur | eeyore-: okay, I don't think this is wrong but I will test it, be right back |
| 12:43.03 | _mechanix | ircdevil : okz |
| 12:43.03 | DevilX | test(it, be right back); failed! please check code... |
| 12:43.25 | baikonur | eeyore-: would you run Maxtor diagnostic tools with wine? |
| 12:43.38 | eeyore- | baikonur: you probably boot into (real) dos |
| 12:43.42 | _mechanix | ircdevil : are u on unstable? |
| 12:43.48 | ircdevil | _mechanix woody |
| 12:43.55 | darkbrua | QUESTION: what is (if it exist) che startx command option to define the resolution? tnx! |
| 12:44.09 | eeyore- | baikonur: like, with win98 boot floppy or something (or the win98 cd, it can be used to start "dos" too) |
| 12:44.10 | baikonur | eeyore-: dos boot disk should be sufficient? |
| 12:44.16 | eeyore- | baikonur: sure |
| 12:44.42 | ircdevil | that is the scary part! i need to get this debugged from scratch. first i set xterm as wm (old trick from jm_ iirc) |
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| 12:45.06 | harsha123 | eeyore-: when do you get the MD5Sum mismatch error? whats the reason? |
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| 12:45.17 | adler | hi |
| 12:45.17 | eeyore- | harsha123: screwed up proxy |
| 12:45.19 | nicoooo | For a celeron 500 mhz this version is ok ? http://ftp.u-strasbg.fr/isos/Debian/3.0_r2/i386/debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 12:45.24 | adler | I've just downloaded a rammstein font in ttf format |
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| 12:45.30 | harsha123 | eeyore-: screwed up in what sense? |
| 12:45.41 | adler | I've just downloaded a rammstein font in ttf format. How can I make Linux see it? I'd love it if I could use it :D |
| 12:45.46 | eeyore- | harsha123: proxy should have retrived the latest file, but instead sent old/outdated file |
| 12:45.53 | _mechanix | ircdevil : PEBKAC |
| 12:45.56 | harsha123 | eeyore-: ok |
| 12:46.02 | eeyore- | harsha123: maybe timestamp mismatch on proxy or something |
| 12:46.10 | ircdevil | _mechanix yes, but what do i do :o) |
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| 12:46.29 | eeyore- | harsha123: since debian Contents file have md5sum, and your proxy is sending you old file, the md5sum's won't match |
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| 12:46.56 | harsha123 | eeyore-: ok .. gotcha |
| 12:47.00 | eeyore- | harsha123: /var/lig/dpkg/available, "MD5Sum:" lines |
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| 12:47.50 | harsha123 | eeyore-: but how do I find the file in the proxy cache? :) |
| 12:47.59 | harsha123 | eeyore-: the proxy cache is HUGE |
| 12:48.21 | harsha123 | eeyore-: and *unreadable* |
| 12:48.29 | eeyore- | adler: depends. if you have newer apps, just running "fc-cache -f -v" to rebuild font cache should be sufficient. for older apps, you have to run xfs-xtt to make ttf fonts available to them |
| 12:48.45 | eeyore- | harsha123: that's your job ;-) (squid client) |
| 12:48.48 | ircdevil | aha, now i get (EE) in log |
| 12:49.05 | harsha123 | eeyore-: :) sure.. |
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| 12:49.20 | famagosta | Recently added a cd-writer to my box using the ide-scsi emulation. now mount /dev/cdrom doesnt work anymore....what device do i have to use instead? |
| 12:49.39 | filp | famagosta: check your dmesg output |
| 12:49.40 | eeyore- | harsha123: or, just wget from the site directly (bypass proxy) and stick the file in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 12:49.51 | harsha123 | eeyore-: i did just that |
| 12:50.06 | eeyore- | harsha123: dpkg -i <file> |
| 12:50.25 | eeyore- | famagosta: scd* |
| 12:50.26 | harsha123 | eeyore-: things are fine.. now.. but just wanted to know more |
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| 12:50.44 | floppyears | does anybody have sensors working in 2.6 |
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| 12:50.54 | eeyore- | harsha123: ok. sure. that's a pretty common symptom for malfunctioning cache :-D |
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| 12:51.29 | harsha123 | eeyore-: thanks anway.. |
| 12:51.32 | eeyore- | harsha123: i used to get that every now and then when i was running woody |
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| 12:51.44 | harsha123 | eeyore-: ok |
| 12:51.51 | eeyore- | harsha123: but since i've been running sid everywhere .... |
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| 12:52.33 | ircdevil | did any of adrian bunks debs backport mouse changes? |
| 12:52.37 | harsha123 | eeyore-: are you a debian packager? :) |
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| 12:53.09 | famagosta | eeyore- filp thankx....was scd0 |
| 12:53.11 | dangle | anyone using a laptop here? i'm assuming my pcmcia modules are not working with af_packet, is this correct? |
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| 12:53.51 | ircdevil | ~seen peterS |
| 12:53.55 | | peters is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 565 messages. Is idling for 1d 1h 29m 21s |
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| 12:54.16 | ircdevil | ~kick peterS |
| 12:54.20 | | bugger off sod! |
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| 12:55.18 | eeyore- | harsha123: nope, didn't wanna go through the NM process |
| 12:55.59 | harsha123 | eeyore-: :) planning to do it myself.. |
| 12:56.19 | eeyore- | harsha123: sure seems complicated. |
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| 12:56.44 | famagosta | and the other Q...wasn't there a tool in debian to ease the xf86 configuration....gcard detection and all that? my intel chipset is giving me troubles |
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| 12:56.49 | eeyore- | hmm, time to check out directfb again |
| 12:57.06 | eeyore- | famagosta: in what way? (troubles) |
| 12:57.17 | floppyears | can somebody help me get sensors working on 2.6 |
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| 12:57.39 | famagosta | eeyore- i generally dont get to start the X at all...giving me various error msg |
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| 12:57.57 | petemc | !tell famagosta about set up x |
| 12:58.11 | _mechanix | ircdevil : i'm back , sorry for joke....i'm no guru ;D |
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| 12:58.28 | _mechanix | ircdevil : so , running X? |
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| 13:00.01 | ircdevil | _meckanix i am getting errors now. one moment |
| 13:00.38 | hackeron | hey, is there anything like dhcpd so clients connection is auto configured but with authentication like username/password? |
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| 13:00.57 | fernst | hello |
| 13:01.25 | eeyore- | hackeron: no, but if you tell us your requirements maybe there's a workaround |
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| 13:03.08 | GunZ | if i want to install debian on a hard disk that s set up with raid, so that one hard disk already has windows, and i want to install debian on the other hard disk, do both hard disks have to be master if setup on a raid system? |
| 13:03.14 | hackeron | eeyore-: well, basically when clients get connection to network, I want some way of being able to authorize who uses network, and specifying all MAC addresses is too long.. basically I've set up an LDAP user management system, so when clients login its fine, but clients can also just plug in private laptops, etc and gain access to internet etc.. anyway to stop this? |
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| 13:04.12 | filp | hackeron: make the web proxy authenticate against your LDAP server |
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| 13:04.27 | ircdevil | _mechanix nope. i am not getting errors with startx. nothing (EE) or (WW) in the log |
| 13:04.32 | rdancer | hackeron: they would be able to spoof IPs and MACs, with no problem, still, pretending to be someone other. |
| 13:04.44 | famagosta | petemc tell me more about set up x...is there a extensive howto/manual somewhere? maybe you can point me |
| 13:04.45 | eeyore- | hackeron: yep |
| 13:04.50 | panton | hello, my apache went dead after upgrading to 1.3.29.0.1-3 (testing) - it doesnt display any errors at all. Just saying httpd started. |
| 13:04.54 | hackeron | rdancer: exactly, so is there a work around against that? |
| 13:05.10 | rdancer | hackeron: afaict, IPSec is the way to go at IP level |
| 13:05.12 | eeyore- | hackeron: you can *kinda* do that. you can get switches that can lock each port to one (or a few) mac addresses |
| 13:05.35 | eeyore- | hackeron: but then your users can just reset their mac address if they so wish |
| 13:05.41 | filp | hackeron: did you even read my comment? |
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| 13:05.45 | hackeron | filp: yeah, that's what I'm thinking of doing, but how do I auto set proxy settings for say KDE, all console tools, all gnome tools.. seems every program requires me to manually set proxy settings, no? |
| 13:05.48 | eeyore- | hackeron: how much of BOFH do you want to be? |
| 13:05.48 | filp | hackeron: what are you trying to restrict? |
| 13:06.16 | hackeron | rdancer: hmm, ok, looking at IPSec |
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| 13:06.28 | rookmoot_ | hey all |
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| 13:06.29 | rookmoot_ | :! |
| 13:06.33 | rdancer | hackeron: on the link level, secure the wires physicaly, use a switched network to guard against DoS, and setup a reasonable policy that should tell your users what they should/should not. and be kind, so they won't need to break in |
| 13:06.51 | hackeron | eeyore-: BOFM? |
| 13:07.07 | ircdevil | startx on woody doesnt work all of a sudden. there is not warnings or errors in the log. the monitor just blinks on and off a few times and then x stops ??? |
| 13:07.07 | floppyears | hey gys |
| 13:07.25 | rdancer | !wtf bofm |
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| 13:07.42 | floppyears | guys how do you deal when an application depends on lm-sensors, but since now there is support in the kernel you shouldn't have lm-sensors installed |
| 13:07.58 | baikonur | eeyore-: odd, if I connect the new hdd the old one does not work anymore, it displays "LI" insted of LILO and than it makes weird noises. |
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| 13:08.08 | rdancer | ircdevil: forgat to do exec windowmanager in .xsession? |
| 13:08.16 | rdancer | s/forgat/forgot/ |
| 13:08.17 | filp | floppyears: use the old kernel |
| 13:08.22 | eeyore- | baikonur: take it back to the shop :-D |
| 13:08.36 | hackeron | filp: ok, say I authorize squid proxy via ldap, that would work, but how do I auto configure all programs like gaim, konqueror, console tools, etc automatically?? |
| 13:08.40 | eeyore- | baikonur: before it fries anything in your computer ... |
| 13:08.50 | hackeron | rdancer: not that simple, this is a school |
| 13:08.50 | ircdevil | rdancer my .xsession consists of 'xterm' for debugging |
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| 13:09.24 | filp | hackeron: go to the squid site, lots of stuff on LDAP auth |
| 13:10.03 | rdancer | hackeron: it is, but there is nothing dhcp authentication could buy you, i told you just that |
| 13:10.09 | filp | hackeron: then do some firewalling to make sure people can only get out using the proxy |
| 13:10.10 | eeyore- | hackeron: free-for-all, baby |
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| 13:10.25 | baikonur | but why does the new one affect the old one? I connected them with different cables, the old one with 40-conductor cable and the new one with 80-conductor cable |
| 13:10.27 | rdancer | ircdevil: have an exec something stanza in .xsession? |
| 13:10.34 | eeyore- | hackeron: firewalling + rate limiting is about all you can reasonably do |
| 13:10.39 | hackeron | rdancer: ok, and I listened, so I'm looking into squid proxy + ldap |
| 13:10.47 | ircdevil | rdancer <ircdevil> rdancer my .xsession consists of 'xterm' for debugging |
| 13:11.05 | hackeron | eeyore-: and squid + ldap authorization |
| 13:11.12 | ircdevil | xterm is the ultimate wm for debuggin x |
| 13:11.17 | hackeron | eeyore-: and not limiting, balancing |
| 13:11.24 | filp | hackeron: you need to make sure that you stop people from just turning off the proxy setting |
| 13:11.31 | rdancer | ircdevil: you have to exec something -- as soon as .xsession ends (falls through in your case), it's an end of your ... eh ... X session ;) |
| 13:11.32 | filp | hackeron: ie: firewalling |
| 13:11.41 | UltraSub | how long does a kernel compile take on a p200? :) |
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| 13:11.56 | eeyore- | filp: you can do transparent proxy at the firewall, redirect outbound port 80 to proxy |
| 13:12.01 | ircdevil | rdancer well, having fvwm there dont work |
| 13:12.03 | eeyore- | filp: and a few other "common" ports |
| 13:12.08 | caphuso | rdancer: wrong. the only useful thing the exec is does is keep the shell from wasting swap space |
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| 13:12.11 | filp | eeyore-: I think auth breaks |
| 13:12.14 | hackeron | filp: well, since they log into the server via LDAP, and get all traffic from server and home folder is on server, not much they can do I think |
| 13:12.16 | streuner | UltraSub: long enough to smoke a cigarette :-) |
| 13:12.20 | floppyears | arnau:thanks, I have been trying hard to get things working on 2.6 and sensors has been a pain |
| 13:12.23 | rdancer | ircdevil: echo 'exec xterm' > ~/.xsession for start |
| 13:12.41 | eeyore- | filp: squid has 3 config variables for such a thing |
| 13:12.50 | filp | eeyore-: cool |
| 13:12.50 | UltraSub | streuner: looks like i can smoke a complete package |
| 13:12.53 | rdancer | caphuso, ircdevil: caphuso is correct, as usualy, i probably need some sleep ... |
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| 13:13.18 | filp | eeyore-: I don't bother with transperent, my user just have to sucome to my will |
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| 13:13.21 | ircdevil | rdancer yes, not working :/ |
| 13:13.22 | streuner | UltraSub: depends how many thing you have enabled, 3-6 hr. |
| 13:13.24 | rinmak | hey guys is there a wrapper package for a basic gcc install with all the standard libraries (like how theres x-window-system for X)? |
| 13:13.25 | filp | eeyore-: bwahahahaha |
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| 13:13.46 | CodeMachine | rinmak: gcc? |
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| 13:13.51 | caphuso | ircdevil: does running "X" work? |
| 13:14.01 | eeyore- | filp: ah, but with transparent, you can collect the dirt on who's been looking at what sites :-D |
| 13:14.03 | caphuso | rinmak: build-essential |
| 13:14.04 | UltraSub | thnx streuner |
| 13:14.08 | rinmak | CodeMachine: that rakes in all the std libs? |
| 13:14.10 | eeyore- | filp: THAT is far more useful |
| 13:14.15 | rinmak | caphuso: thx mate |
| 13:14.16 | eeyore- | filp: *bwahahahahahahahahaha* |
| 13:14.20 | ircdevil | caphuso startx ? no - and no errors in .xsession-errors (is not generated) and no errors in X.log |
| 13:14.22 | filp | eeyore-: my users can't get out without using my proxy |
| 13:14.27 | CodeMachine | rinmak: what do you call basic install? what languages? |
| 13:14.31 | filp | eeyore-: no port forwarding |
| 13:14.32 | caphuso | ircdevil: no, just X |
| 13:14.38 | filp | eeyore-: bwahahahahaha |
| 13:14.44 | caphuso | ircdevil: which is why i said "X" and not "startx" |
| 13:14.50 | eeyore- | filp: gotta love BOFH mode |
| 13:15.03 | ircdevil | caphuso the monitor blinks on and off and then segfault |
| 13:15.06 | rinmak | CodeMachine: anuf C to be able to compile the kernel and the nvidia drivers |
| 13:15.21 | filp | eeyore-: If they want secure networks, it's my way or the high way |
| 13:15.48 | eeyore- | filp: next, start rejecting emails with capital letters |
| 13:15.53 | ircdevil | _why?_ |
| 13:16.07 | caphuso | ircdevil: what happened before X stopped working? |
| 13:16.08 | filp | eeyore-: too many fingers on keyboard error |
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| 13:16.16 | _mechanix | ircdevil : i think you would be better with a fresh new debian ;D |
| 13:16.24 | ircdevil | caphuso i but adrian bunks debs in my sources.list and i upgrade - woody |
| 13:16.41 | eeyore- | filp: "Your email has cat-on-keyboard-like content, rejecting" |
| 13:16.44 | ircdevil | _mechanix nononono :) |
| 13:16.45 | caphuso | ircdevil: then downgrade back to working versions |
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| 13:17.17 | CodeMachine | rinmak: then gcc, probably want othe utilities that build-essential will gie like caphuso suggested |
| 13:17.21 | ircdevil | caphuso so i remove the line from sources.list. apt-get clean, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 13:17.29 | eeyore- | ircdevil: when might we get a look at the XFree86.*.log file(s)? |
| 13:17.48 | caphuso | ircdevil: no. downgrading isn't that easy. you probably have to use dpkg -i a lot |
| 13:17.58 | ircdevil | eeyore- well, there is no (EE) or (WW) there |
| 13:18.03 | eeyore- | ircdevil: so? |
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| 13:18.08 | ircdevil | caphuso *sigh* |
| 13:18.28 | ircdevil | eeyore- what should i look for? |
| 13:18.51 | eeyore- | ircdevil: it's probably non-obvious |
| 13:18.55 | rinmak | CodeMachine: thanx |
| 13:19.11 | baikonur | eeyore-: but how can I prove them that the hdd is dead then? |
| 13:19.20 | ircdevil | eeyore- lemmy see if i can paste it somewhere. |
| 13:19.21 | eeyore- | baikonur: your problem, not mine. |
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| 13:19.44 | eeyore- | baikonur: my idea of prove is, (a) run util, (b), if you can't even get util to run, YOU (vendor) try it |
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| 13:19.58 | floppyears | arnau:the problem with using the one in the unstable package is that it still looks in /proc for the monitoring information where in 2.6 the information is in /sys |
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| 13:20.12 | baikonur | eeyore-: okay |
| 13:20.12 | eeyore- | baikonur: is this the first time you're RMA'ing a drive? |
| 13:20.32 | eeyore- | baikonur: it's not a difficult process you think it is :-D |
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| 13:21.38 | baikonur | eeyore-: I will see |
| 13:21.42 | eeyore- | baikonur: (unless you're trying to convince Dell, that is ... that's another story. Dell is pretty much a sell-only experience, don't bother trying to get repair/service) |
| 13:22.03 | js | eeyore-: thats not how i see it |
| 13:22.23 | js | dell has always had good service from my experience |
| 13:22.44 | eeyore- | js: call them up. tell them your memory is bad. ask them to please send you a replacement. |
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| 13:23.13 | chemicallyrelian | naw, tell them windows says your memory is bad. |
| 13:23.16 | gahan | i want to replace ns1.blah.com to ns1.blah.pl in /etc/bind/* heelp |
| 13:23.17 | eeyore- | js: or, call them and say your hard drive has bad sectors, please send replacement. and laugh when they ask you to run a diagnostics (in bios) that tells you your 100GB drive is OK in mere 10 seconds |
| 13:23.23 | ircdevil | eeyore- can you see the file? |
| 13:23.36 | js | eeyore-: ok ok, hehe |
| 13:23.41 | eeyore- | js: assuming you can get through the thick indian accents |
| 13:24.02 | eeyore- | very very thick |
| 13:24.02 | js | eeyore-: well maybe the american dell support is like that :) |
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| 13:24.22 | eeyore- | js: they outsource a lot of services to india |
| 13:24.42 | js | yes, not swedish though |
| 13:25.12 | chemicallyrelian | our *beloved* telco telstra just signed up to a program which IBM is outsourcing there too. |
| 13:25.14 | eeyore- | js: or, you know you have LCD panel with a problem (pinched wire, wrong clocking/phase), you call dell. what does tell advise you to do? plug in an external monitor and see if the problem goes away. |
| 13:25.27 | eeyore- | js: i can go on and on about dell support stupidity .... |
| 13:25.38 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 13:25.40 | js | ok i believe you hehe |
| 13:26.27 | eeyore- | js: you have a monitor with bad high-voltage section, won't turn on. you call dell. what does dell want you to do? plug it in, turn it on. does it turn on? no! i just told you it doesn't turn on. could you try a different plug? |
| 13:26.36 | chemicallyrelian | dell actually shipped some mobo's that were known to be defective when used with the linux of the day. some part of the firmware wasn't up to spec, and would bork the entire machine. |
| 13:26.40 | gahan | how do i replace ns1.blah.com with ns1.blah.pl in every file under /etc/bind/ ? |
| 13:26.52 | js | eeyore-: lol :/ |
| 13:27.05 | ircdevil | gahan man rename |
| 13:27.06 | filp | gahan: sed/awk or perl |
| 13:27.40 | chemicallyrelian | why are you replacing .com with .pl ???? |
| 13:27.46 | gahan | filp: i know that i can use sed but the problem is how to use it:) |
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| 13:27.55 | elephantman | I think i am having some package version conflict - When i 'apt-get dist-upgrade', apt wants to remove a lot of packages and very important packages like 'kdm, konqueror...' - well almost all kde packages |
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| 13:28.10 | eeyore- | ircdevil: sorry, was on a roll bitching about dell. it's really a passion ... |
| 13:28.14 | filp | gahan: to use sed is easy, first you learn how to use it, then you use it. |
| 13:28.19 | ircdevil | eeyore- i read it :o) |
| 13:28.19 | elephantman | How can i identify the problem & repair it ? |
| 13:28.30 | filp | gahan: might I suggest the Internet to learn how to use it |
| 13:28.32 | eeyore- | ircdevil: it's a passion developed from years of waiting on hold for dell (non)"support" |
| 13:28.35 | chemicallyrelian | maybe apt-get is trying to uninstall a kde base package |
| 13:28.42 | ircdevil | eeyore- i have a dell laptop. its been floored a couple of times. cracks all over - but it is holding up - somehow |
| 13:28.54 | gahan | filp: blabla |
| 13:29.02 | eeyore- | should make a movie some day |
| 13:29.53 | GunZ | if i have two hard disks, and i want to set up the simplest raid array where i have both windows and linux installed, would that consist of one physical array that is split into two? |
| 13:30.23 | chemicallyrelian | one physical array split into two logical? |
| 13:30.31 | bob2 | elephantman: are you using sid? |
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| 13:30.40 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: that is the simplest? |
| 13:30.40 | filp | GunZ: what are you talking about? |
| 13:30.43 | elephantman | bob2: i am on testing version |
| 13:30.52 | GunZ | filp: i honestly dont know |
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| 13:31.06 | chemicallyrelian | gunz, 'simplest' isn't really enough info |
| 13:31.08 | elephantman | bob2: i dont know the nickname of testing |
| 13:31.12 | eeyore- | ircdevil: your X made it to the very last parts of starting up ... it *would* have started had something bad not happened :) |
| 13:31.19 | chemicallyrelian | do you mean "fastest' or 'most reliable' |
| 13:31.31 | bob2 | elephantman: sarge. |
| 13:31.36 | bob2 | TLF: turn that crap off |
| 13:31.39 | eeyore- | ircdevil: actually it did already, it switched yoru card to graphic mode ... have you tried using "nvidia" driver instead of "nv"? |
| 13:31.41 | bob2 | elephantman: are you using kde from sarge? |
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| 13:31.52 | elephantman | bob2: yes kde3 |
| 13:31.58 | ircdevil | eeyore- yes, i am sad there is nothing in the log that points me in the right direction. lemme test that |
| 13:31.59 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: ok i just want to install a reliable system on two hard disks setup up on raid, where windows is on one partiton and linux is on the other, what would be the best way of going about it |
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| 13:32.29 | elephantman | bob2: your are true - kde wasn't installed with any apt command |
| 13:32.41 | ircdevil | eeyore- ah, i dont have nvidia drivers. only nv |
| 13:32.46 | elephantman | bob2: a friend installed it from source |
| 13:33.00 | eeyore- | ircdevil: nvidia-kernel-source, (for now, try disabling usefb option) |
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| 13:33.10 | chemicallyrelian | gunz, if you do a raid 1, it will mean one drive can die and you loose nothing. its slower to write than just one disk, but faster to read. you can set up a windozer partition and linux partitions and everytying should work fine. depending on your raid card of course. |
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| 13:33.30 | bob2 | elephantman: if it's not instaled from packages than apt won't know about it at all, so how could it try to remove it? |
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| 13:33.49 | chemicallyrelian | raid 1 will just duplicate writes to both drives at once. |
| 13:33.55 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: the raid system is built into the motherboard does that make any difference |
| 13:34.04 | chemicallyrelian | what kinda system? |
| 13:34.19 | ircdevil | eeyore- where is usefb option disabled? |
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| 13:34.24 | eeyore- | chemicallyrelian: hipoint/promise, surely |
| 13:34.27 | chemicallyrelian | you usually have to set up your raid in the card firmware programe or in your case motherboard bios i thinks. |
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| 13:34.43 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: i dont know its not my computer, but by system do u mean raid levels, as in raid 1 raid 0 etc |
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| 13:34.51 | eeyore- | ircdevil: it's in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, the exact name i'm not sure of. it's got "FB" in it for sure :-) turn it off |
| 13:34.57 | chemicallyrelian | *spits on floor, curses his promise fastrack tx2* |
| 13:35.00 | elephantman | bob2: ok so i am wrong - i dont know how kde was installed - should be by using a source.list entry pointing to unstable distrib |
| 13:35.01 | ircdevil | eeyore- testing |
| 13:35.01 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: yes there is a setup program for the raid |
| 13:35.10 | bob2 | elephantman: check |
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| 13:35.30 | chemicallyrelian | yay, you need to tell the setup program for raid what level of raid you want. |
| 13:35.59 | ircdevil | eeyore- no FB, fb, Fb, fB in there ;/ |
| 13:35.59 | chemicallyrelian | i'm using raid 0. in other words my balls are liable to drop off at any second. |
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| 13:36.12 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: and raid 1 would be a good choice for what i want? |
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| 13:36.30 | chemicallyrelian | raid 1 is a good choice if you want to be able to keep your data safer |
| 13:36.32 | eeyore- | ircdevil: okay, try -> option "UseFBDev" "false" <- |
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| 13:36.39 | eeyore- | ircdevil: (man nv) |
| 13:36.42 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: yes exactly what i want |
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| 13:36.58 | chemicallyrelian | if one drive dies the other still has data and you don't need special backup |
| 13:37.10 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: so ok i dont get these arrays tho |
| 13:37.14 | eeyore- | chemicallyrelian: raid-5, baby |
| 13:37.21 | chemicallyrelian | arrays is a misanomer. |
| 13:37.21 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: do i just set the hdd up on one array |
| 13:37.45 | elephantman | bob2: i dont find those entry - maybe they have been deleted after install |
| 13:38.07 | hackeron | anyone has any ideas how to configure IP range to room? is there anything in DHCPD to be able to specify hostname and room to be able to assign an IP range to a specific room? |
| 13:38.07 | chemicallyrelian | you tell your raid-o-matic bios/firmware proggy you want to use your drives as a raid array, and it will say 'raid 0 or 1' and you say 1. |
| 13:38.13 | ircdevil | eeyore- there is no such option in my XF86Config-4 |
| 13:38.13 | chemicallyrelian | then you install linux/windowzer |
| 13:38.28 | eeyore- | ircdevil: make one :) |
| 13:38.37 | filp | hackeron: good network design |
| 13:38.42 | eeyore- | ircdevil: my bet is still with nvidia driver, though |
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| 13:38.50 | hackeron | filp: what? |
| 13:38.53 | ircdevil | eeyore- but it sas on man nv that it is disabled per default |
| 13:39.02 | FroZbyte | yay i know TULIP supports my ethernet card :D |
| 13:39.06 | filp | hackeron: hard of hearing? |
| 13:39.14 | eeyore- | ircdevil: you can check by trying the vga16 driver. if that doesn't die, it's probably the "nv" driver, in which case, the "nvidia" driver ought to be fine |
| 13:39.19 | hackeron | filp: what? |
| 13:39.20 | FroZbyte | can someone help me out with my nic setup? |
| 13:39.21 | FroZbyte | please |
| 13:39.22 | ircdevil | eeyore- or i should downgrade x from adrian bunks backport to the official |
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| 13:39.37 | bob2 | FroZbyte: so load the tulip module |
| 13:39.37 | chemicallyrelian | gunz, you put both hard disk in the one array. set arrray to 1 |
| 13:39.40 | eeyore- | ircdevil: no comment. i run sid with experimental 4.3 :-D |
| 13:39.46 | FroZbyte | it already found it |
| 13:39.47 | ircdevil | eeyore- so i should /m dpkg nvidia and do what it sas. and then come asking again? |
| 13:40.00 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: was just about to ask that :) |
| 13:40.02 | eeyore- | ircdevil: sure |
| 13:40.11 | FroZbyte | but when i try to connect using the PPPoEconf it gives me the error, |
| 13:40.12 | ircdevil | eeyore- ok - ill be back later |
| 13:40.21 | elephantman | bob2: i understand the problem for kde package (due to this way of install) - but the fact is that apt is willing to remove package that are not kde like : noatun,php4-ming, well there is 94 package to remove AND 42 new to install |
| 13:40.28 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: but once they are in one array, how do i partiton them |
| 13:40.28 | filp | hackeron: design your network well and you'll be able to controll you dhcp assignments |
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| 13:40.34 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: partition as normal? |
| 13:40.38 | GunZ | with fdisk |
| 13:40.48 | caphuso | elephantman: that's probably just apt-get. use something sane instead, e.g. dselect or aptitude |
| 13:41.12 | FroZbyte | "Sorry, I scanned 1 interface(s), but the Access Concentrator of your provider did not respond, another reson for the scan failure maybe another running PPPoE which controls the modem" |
| 13:41.28 | elephantman | caphuso: ok i am going to try that way - thanx |
| 13:41.30 | eeyore- | filp: well-designed networks exist in labs .... :-) after a while of exposure to real world, live, actual, users ... they discombobulate |
| 13:41.43 | hackeron | filp: what does that mean? and what does that have to do with question?... I just want to know if there is a way to send a room-name to dhcpd and have it assign IP from IP range for that specific room |
| 13:41.45 | elephantman | Does dselect use source.list file to synchronise packages ? |
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| 13:41.51 | chemicallyrelian | partiton as normal, the bios/firmware does the hard work. |
| 13:41.59 | caphuso | elephantman: if configured correctly |
| 13:42.06 | filp | eeyore-: I build and maintain networks |
| 13:42.06 | bob2 | hackeron: you don't understand hwo networks work if you don't get what filp is saying |
| 13:42.13 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: ok, and debian should detect the harddisk when installing? |
| 13:42.15 | chemicallyrelian | it hsould show up as a normal disk drive, unless you have a borked kernel |
| 13:42.17 | eeyore- | hackeron: yes, it's possible. dhcp client sends a sort of "host name" (only in your case it's room name) |
| 13:42.20 | bob2 | hackeron: how does DHCP work? |
| 13:42.26 | elephantman | caphuso: ok - i will document that way |
| 13:42.30 | elephantman | bob2: thanx |
| 13:42.40 | chemicallyrelian | my raid card shows up as /dev/sda instead of /dev/hda |
| 13:42.42 | bob2 | elephantman: aptitude might make it easier to see |
| 13:42.50 | hackeron | eeyore-: not hostname, hostname is the name of the computer, not the name of the room |
| 13:43.03 | bob2 | FroZbyte: do you have another copy of pppoe running? |
| 13:43.14 | FroZbyte | i don't belive so |
| 13:43.16 | hackeron | bob2: client sends request, server replies |
| 13:43.21 | eeyore- | hackeron: so have the computer send a name, you hack up dhcp server to send from pool .... ought to be do-able |
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| 13:43.29 | FroZbyte | i did a ifconf. and i only see the one eth0 |
| 13:43.30 | elephantman | bob2: ok i will try this either - i didnt know that app |
| 13:43.37 | bob2 | hackeron: yes. how would the server know which room the client is in? |
| 13:43.38 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: well the raid is on the motherboard, but when i go to install debian it should detect the array right and install as normal? |
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| 13:44.02 | eeyore- | bob2: it wouldn't be out of the box dhcpd, that's for sure, but it could be done |
| 13:44.05 | hackeron | bob2: that's what I'm asking! |
| 13:44.10 | hackeron | bob2: how do I let it know |
| 13:44.15 | bob2 | hackeron: you can't. |
| 13:44.21 | hackeron | bob2: I can give it hostname, but that's the name of the PC, I also want to let it know room-name |
| 13:44.26 | eeyore- | bob2: with gcc, you can :-D |
| 13:44.26 | chemicallyrelian | debian 'should' detect the raid as a scsi card or somesuch. |
| 13:44.30 | bob2 | hackeron: unless each room is on a different physical network. |
| 13:44.37 | bob2 | eeyore-: how? |
| 13:44.38 | FroZbyte | see this is what i found out in the TULIP dyagnosis file, it listed my ETHERNET, see >>> "{ "Macronix 98715 PMAC", "Macronix MX98715 / MX98725", |
| 13:44.38 | FroZbyte | 0x10d9, 0x0531, 0xffff, 0, 256, tulip_diag }, |
| 13:44.40 | FroZbyte | " |
| 13:44.46 | chemicallyrelian | you'll have to ask someone else about how to make the kernel do it right. |
| 13:44.49 | bob2 | eeyore-: how are rooms distinguishable from the ethernet layer? |
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| 13:44.58 | eeyore- | bob2: vi the source to dhcp server :) treat "hostname" as "room name"/"pool name" |
| 13:45.01 | hackeron | bob2: no, same network.. so I can only do it if I use a use the hostname as the room name :(? |
| 13:45.05 | chemicallyrelian | there is some promise module you need to insmod i think, if it doesn't work by default |
| 13:45.07 | bob2 | FroZbyte: what's the " TULIP dyagnosis file"? |
| 13:45.12 | FroZbyte | this is my card>>>Macronix 98715 PMAC |
| 13:45.14 | eeyore- | bob2: who says "host" name has to be hostname? |
| 13:45.17 | caphuso | hackeron: no, it's sufficient if the hostname *includes* the room name |
| 13:45.19 | FroZbyte | you want the URL |
| 13:45.20 | FroZbyte | here |
| 13:45.27 | FroZbyte | ftp://ftp.scyld.com/pub/diag/tulip-diag.c |
| 13:45.29 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: ok i think i read up on having to preload modules on to a floppy to install debian on raid disks |
| 13:45.32 | bob2 | hackeron: think harder. to the server, HOW can it know which room a machine is in? all it sees are ethernet requests. |
| 13:45.34 | hackeron | caphuso: like room1.pc1 ? |
| 13:45.47 | chemicallyrelian | you'll know if the raid array isn't installed right, by the fact that instead of a single raid drive you see your two drives as individual units. |
| 13:45.48 | bob2 | oh |
| 13:45.57 | bob2 | you guys aren't doing what I thought you were doing. |
| 13:46.00 | eeyore- | bob2: "rooms" are concepts |
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| 13:46.09 | caphuso | hackeron: . isn't a valid character for hostnames |
| 13:46.09 | eeyore- | bob2: just like "zones" in shorewall :) |
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| 13:46.16 | bob2 | eeyore-: yes. and if they're on the same physical network, they're indisinguishable to the server. |
| 13:46.20 | arvolap | Hi... |
| 13:46.26 | arvolap | how are you??? |
| 13:46.27 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: ok, and in the bios what should i see? |
| 13:46.31 | chemicallyrelian | yeah, for my promise card i had to use floppy drives and pass special params to the kernel to force it to use /dev/sda as access point |
| 13:46.40 | eeyore- | bob2: which doesn't really matter. he just wants a management way to handle dishing out dhcp ip's |
| 13:46.43 | FroZbyte | but honestly i think the version of TULIP i have might be old, how would i be able to use this tulip? |
| 13:46.46 | hackeron | caphuso: hmm, so something like specifying hostname as room1_pc1 room1_pc2, etc will work then? |
| 13:46.54 | FroZbyte | or install a newer TULIP module? |
| 13:46.57 | bob2 | FroZbyte: your card is almost certainly fine. |
| 13:46.59 | caphuso | hackeron: what in all hell gave you the weird idea that "rooms" would be something a computer cares about? |
| 13:47.05 | bob2 | FroZbyte: why do you want to do that? |
| 13:47.08 | caphuso | hackeron: you really need to stop thinking such nonsense |
| 13:47.11 | hackeron | caphuso: not the computer, the admin |
| 13:47.20 | chemicallyrelian | in bios, i see a aline like hda1 in raid array 0 raid level 1 /n hdb1 in raid array 0 raidlevel 1 |
| 13:47.20 | arvolap | today i wanna to go to home more aluc |
| 13:47.22 | eeyore- | bob2: after all, we only have *one* planet :-D everything is on the same planet eventually, but, we still have concepts of subdividing the planet |
| 13:47.34 | arvolap | tanks... |
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| 13:47.36 | FroZbyte | well i don't know if Debian even recognizes my ethernet, i'm thinking its just toying ith me |
| 13:47.36 | filp | hackeron: what do want? |
| 13:47.38 | FroZbyte | i dunno |
| 13:47.51 | hackeron | caphuso: admin needs to know where each PC is, if you assign IP to room, then you can configure printer to a specific room, so what exactly is nonsense about that? |
| 13:48.02 | FroZbyte | theres no interaction with the dsl modem an the nic during pppoecof |
| 13:48.04 | hackeron | filp: huh? |
| 13:48.07 | pzn_ | dpkg: usbmouse? |
| 13:48.07 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use imps2 protocol and /dev/input/mice with raw repeating for gpm and ImPS/2 and /dev/gpmdata for X |
| 13:48.15 | chemicallyrelian | GunZ: your motherboard should have doco for setting up raid arrays, is the same for windoze as loonix. |
| 13:48.19 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: should i see seperate harddisks in the bios? |
| 13:48.22 | caphuso | hackeron: computers care about networks, and that's it. if $ADMIN wants to enforce some other scheme on his computers, he has to craft his network to do what he wants, he can't simply go around and tell his computers to suddenly care about rooms |
| 13:48.53 | eeyore- | hackeron: use the infrastructure you already have. DHCP clients know how to send a "string". this string is typically treated as host name. but nobody says you have to treat it ONLY as host name and not attach any other significance to it. |
| 13:48.54 | chemicallyrelian | yes, you should see seperate disks in bios, at least as far as you have x drives in the machine. the raid array is will show up a single drive when you try to install. |
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| 13:49.09 | chemicallyrelian | it should have a nice table during boot sometime on how its currently configured. |
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| 13:49.25 | hackeron | eeyore-: yeah, I see now :), I'm just trying to understand what caphuso is saying |
| 13:49.30 | filp | hackeron: It sounds more like you want to get into DDNS and dhcp, it would be a much more simple solution |
| 13:49.34 | chemicallyrelian | be right back, got something on fire here. heh. |
| 13:49.45 | baikonur | eeyore-: smartctl tells me that "SMART support is: Ambiguous" |
| 13:49.45 | hackeron | caphuso: dude, fine, how else can I assign a printer to room?? |
| 13:49.47 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: ok thanks btw, you dont know how much i have learnt just now |
| 13:50.04 | eeyore- | baikonur: i'm convinced the drive is dead. |
| 13:50.08 | caphuso | hackeron: *sigh* |
| 13:50.14 | chemicallyrelian | my first raid array was a failure. it took a couple goes. |
| 13:50.18 | caphuso | hackeron: hopeless case, i give up |
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| 13:50.26 | Shay | hi all |
| 13:50.33 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: hmm i hope i have better luck |
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| 13:50.48 | hackeron | caphuso: so I see you like to just give up on stuff, you never finish anything, do you :) |
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| 13:51.13 | caphuso | hackeron: i'm *not* the one who needs 10 people explaining simple stuff to me, am i? |
| 13:51.14 | chemicallyrelian | you can get burnes still if you don't test it. the MBR records often aren't counted as 'data' and won't be mirrod, cau7sing it to all mess up when the first drive with the MBR dies and you don't have a boot/rescue disk. |
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| 13:51.20 | eeyore- | hackeron: dont' think "room", think "subnets" (*.top-floor.tld, *.basement.tld, *.bathrooms.tld) |
| 13:51.34 | caphuso | that was what i've been trying to tell hackeron |
| 13:51.39 | bob2 | hackeron: to the dhcp server, it only sees ONE SINGLE NETWORK. it sees no divisions below that. |
| 13:51.54 | hackeron | eeyore-: it's a school, how can it not be rooms? |
| 13:52.02 | bob2 | FroZbyte: is pppoe already running? |
| 13:52.16 | bob2 | hackeron: think about it explain to us HOW the server could know about rooms. |
| 13:52.18 | FroZbyte | how would i be able to check? |
| 13:52.22 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: ok |
| 13:52.22 | filp | hackeron: dynamic dns for gods sake |
| 13:52.27 | filp | hackeron: ! |
| 13:52.28 | eeyore- | hackeron: okay, but ... in network-speak, they're different zones, different subnets |
| 13:52.34 | FroZbyte | pon? or is that for the kppp? |
| 13:52.46 | GunZ | chemicallyrelian: right i think i'll give my brain a rest now, thanks again, great help :) |
| 13:52.47 | FroZbyte | i men plog? |
| 13:52.52 | hackeron | bob2: it was already explained, just specify hostname with dhcp request to have both PC name and room name |
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| 13:52.58 | FroZbyte | *mean |
| 13:52.59 | baikonur | eeyore-: what would you tell the people in the computer store? the drive is dead they can test it or believe me? |
| 13:53.00 | eeyore- | hackeron: computers don't care about rooms. rooms are meaningful to you. to translate rooms to computer-speak, think subnets |
| 13:53.12 | eeyore- | baikonur: no, here's what you do |
| 13:53.17 | hackeron | filp: how can I use dynamic dns |
| 13:53.30 | rdancer | what's the real spelling of ``xkbchars keycode 55 = Meta'', please? |
| 13:53.33 | hackeron | eeyore-: fine, doesn't matter how you call it :), it's still rooms in the end |
| 13:53.43 | caphuso | oh, for fuck |
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| 13:53.45 | caphuso | 's sake |
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| 13:54.00 | bob2 | FroZbyte: ps aux | grep pp |
| 13:54.02 | hackeron | eeyore-: so I'll look into subnets then, thanks |
| 13:54.05 | caphuso | hackeron: you dumbass can't just invent your own terminology. if you want people to help you, you have to speak the common language |
| 13:54.07 | filp | hackeron: then you'll be able to use room names and machine names and wont need to worry about the IP that they pick up from the DHCP server |
| 13:54.31 | eeyore- | baikonur: go to the store, tell them the drive is dead. tell them you've done (a), (b), (c), and (d). now, tell them to please try it. they either honor the store warrenty, *or* tell you to go deal with manufacturer. in which case, you go to the manufacturer website, fill in a form, get RMA label printed, send in the drive, get replacement drive a few days later. |
| 13:54.35 | hackeron | caphuso: I'm not inventing anything, the question was how do you call rooms in computer terminology, all you had to say was subnets! |
| 13:54.50 | caphuso | hackeron: now stop talking about rooms and start talking about subnets, because it fucking doesn't matter if your subnets stand for rooms, gender or anything else |
| 13:55.02 | wuschel | can somebody tell me, how i can activate date in php4-pear for horde2 and imp3? |
| 13:55.04 | hackeron | filp: hmm, will look into this |
| 13:55.12 | eeyore- | caphuso: "that '70 show" dumbass? :-) |
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| 13:55.30 | psion | hrm, any one here ever do a netinstall off of a floppy? |
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| 13:55.42 | petemc | psion: of course |
| 13:55.51 | hackeron | caphuso: ok, fair enough :), just didn't know it's called subnets, sorry |
| 13:55.54 | psion | petemc: how many floppies do you need? |
| 13:55.55 | FroZbyte | bob2: if it is running how do i shut it down? |
| 13:56.00 | petemc | psion: 2 |
| 13:56.04 | filp | hackeron: then you can tell each machine that it's machine3.room42.school and it will tell you DNS server what it's IP is |
| 13:56.14 | petemc | psion: sometimes 6, depends on your hardware |
| 13:56.26 | psion | petemc: ok, I have the first in, but it's just sitting there with a blinking '_' |
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| 13:56.34 | psion | nothing else is on the screen |
| 13:56.39 | caphuso | eeyore-: i've only seen that show in german |
| 13:56.48 | rdancer | ehm, what is the commandline program to change individual key mappings in X? |
| 13:56.57 | caphuso | rdancer: xmodmap |
| 13:57.06 | eeyore- | caphuso: ah, does red foreman say 'dumbass' with equal passion in german? |
| 13:57.14 | filp | hackeron: then by using search options in resolv.conf you can just point all you machines to "printer" and they'll append their own domain to the end and find the printer in their own room |
| 13:57.17 | hackeron | filp: yeah, that's just what I need :), just googling |
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| 13:57.44 | rdancer | caphuso: ah, thnx, maybe i'll even learn asking smart questions here ;) |
| 13:57.50 | caphuso | eeyore-: i'm trying to remember what he says in german, but it's been quite some time ago i've seen it |
| 13:58.15 | baikonur | eeyore-: thanks, I hope I'll get a new device that works |
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| 13:58.30 | caphuso | stupid TV... they tend to cancel nearly all stuff i like to watch |
| 13:58.52 | eeyore- | caphuso: that show seems to be popular with our german coders, too. odd. |
| 13:59.09 | filp | A little link for every one in here who does any thing networky: read this http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0201633469/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/104-1297506-9296740?v=glance&s=books&st=* |
| 13:59.18 | bob2 | FroZbyte: poff, I guess |
| 13:59.32 | filp | TCP/IP Illustrated Vol 1 |
| 13:59.53 | hackeron | filp: ok, will read :) |
| 14:00.09 | astro | can someone please tell me how to fix this. I get a kernel panic (2.4.18) on bootup. The previous line in the boot output says 'chroot: /sbin/init: Permission denied' ... not sure what to do. |
| 14:00.11 | eeyore- | OSI 7-layers compared to Taco Bell Seven-Layer Burritos |
| 14:00.14 | hackeron | filp: just question, so DNS replaces dhcpd? |
| 14:00.28 | filp | hackeron: no, just links in with it |
| 14:00.47 | bob2 | eeyore-: haha |
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| 14:01.07 | bob2 | astro: that's very odd, nothing should be chrooting during boot |
| 14:01.10 | eeyore- | bob2: it's all in the rice ... that solid bed of rice ... |
| 14:01.19 | hackeron | filp: ok, thanks :) |
| 14:01.24 | filp | hackeron: with dynamic DNS and DHCP, when a machine obtains a lease from the DHCP server the DNS server is updated aswell |
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| 14:01.41 | hackeron | filp: great!, so that TCP/IP Illustrated, Volume 1 book explain about how to setup DNS as well? |
| 14:01.51 | filp | hackeron: no |
| 14:01.58 | eeyore- | hackeron: no, it's pretty dry, actually |
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| 14:02.21 | filp | hackeron: it will teach you every thing you've every wanted to now about protocols and how they work |
| 14:02.23 | Kraig | hello ppl |
| 14:02.30 | filp | hackeron: how networks work |
| 14:02.36 | hackeron | eeyore-: hmm, can you recommend what to read, I'm a bit of a noob in networking |
| 14:02.37 | filp | hackeron: how the Internet works |
| 14:02.41 | eeyore- | hackeron: won't tell you how they *fail to work* |
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| 14:03.01 | UltraSub | friend of mine is using outlook to read imap, everything is correct on server, but html mail is shown as plain txt for him. |
| 14:03.02 | hackeron | eeyore-: hmm, can you recommend something better :)? |
| 14:03.05 | UltraSub | should b html coz that's what's on the server |
| 14:03.19 | UltraSub | mailreader doesnt interpret i guess |
| 14:03.19 | eeyore- | hackeron: that's called "experience" |
| 14:03.23 | Kraig | hackeron: i've being reading a book, a very good book, tcp/ip in 24 hours |
| 14:03.25 | UltraSub | but looks like sumfin triggers it.. |
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| 14:03.38 | hackeron | Kraig: ok, will try to find it |
| 14:03.45 | filp | eeyore-: I hope you're not hacking on TCP/IP Illustrated? |
| 14:03.47 | UltraSub | no idea where to look at, coz the server setup works flawlessly on 3 other setups |
| 14:03.56 | filp | eeyore-: It was my bible |
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| 14:04.06 | eeyore- | hackeron: but instructions about setting something specific is going to be in the packages themselves, bind9-doc, for instance |
| 14:04.19 | eeyore- | filp: no, about books in general :) |
| 14:04.31 | filp | eeyore-: you don't like books? |
| 14:04.31 | hackeron | eeyore-: I see, but it's nice to firstly learn about how to set up networks and how they work.. |
| 14:04.34 | Kraig | hackeron: maybe you can try later this one for connection: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/other/rfc793.txt, this one rules |
| 14:04.45 | eeyore- | filp: most things teach you how to do it right, but what's REALLY important is how to do it wrong, so you *avoid* doing it wrong |
| 14:04.48 | astro | bob2: the kernel panic is 'Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!' |
| 14:05.02 | eeyore- | filp: i like books fine :) i just think they're missing important stuff |
| 14:05.02 | bob2 | astro: which is very bad. |
| 14:05.09 | Kraig | hackeron: go to http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag2/index.ht |
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| 14:05.27 | hackeron | Kraig: he document or page you requested could not be found |
| 14:05.37 | Kraig | hackeron: wich one? |
| 14:05.45 | filp | eeyore-: no, just read the book half arsed like most people do and you'll be sure to screw it up and do it wrong. Then they have to read it fully and learn what they did wrong |
| 14:05.53 | hackeron | Kraig: never mind .html works |
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| 14:06.09 | shinu | How can i configure debian as domain server using LDAP?? |
| 14:06.26 | eeyore- | filp: okay, take programming classes ... they supposedly teach you how to program correctly, right? but, what's more important IMHO is recognizing the bugs, how to debug, how to avoid bugs in the future, that sort of thing |
| 14:06.30 | hackeron | filp: hmm |
| 14:06.34 | melay | hi, is it possible that tar shows me his progress, or is there a tool which can do this? |
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| 14:06.49 | astro | bob2: this machine has everything install on one partition ... I'm thinking about re-installing the kernel. Is this sensible? |
| 14:06.53 | polkah | does someone know here what is the algorithm use by mozilla to filter spam automatically ? |
| 14:06.56 | sema4 | why is tar male? |
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| 14:07.00 | polkah | is it bogofilter ? |
| 14:07.05 | petemc | melay: v |
| 14:07.11 | hackeron | eeyore-: yeah, I also prefer learning from examples |
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| 14:07.15 | melay | verbose mode? |
| 14:07.28 | filp | eeyore-: I agree, that's why I prefere refernce books, not tutorial books, so you still need to explore and discover your self |
| 14:07.29 | dangle | does anybody know if make-kpkg is suitable for kernel 2.6? it seems not to transfer all of my modules.. |
| 14:07.30 | bob2 | astro: the kernel is almost certainly not the problem. |
| 14:07.38 | polkah | dangle: it is |
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| 14:07.43 | bob2 | astro: does "Linux init=/bin/sh" work at the lilo prompt? |
| 14:07.52 | dangle | polkah: well there's a bug...so i'm filing it.. |
| 14:07.59 | astro | bob2: hmmm ..let me try that |
| 14:07.59 | dangle | I say it isn't |
| 14:08.06 | bob2 | dangle: recent sid versions are. make sure you configure it from scratch, though, oldconfig won't work. |
| 14:08.21 | polkah | dangle: what is the problem, more precisly ? |
| 14:08.40 | Kraig | hey, i've beeing reading about ip-tables, then i installed it, now it says i can't locate module ip_tables, some one told me about re-compiling kernel, is there another way, i tried #iptables, but no one answer, any ideas? |
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| 14:08.52 | dangle | bob2: i've done a 'make' and found af_packet for instance then ran make-kpkg to be sure..still same problem dpkg -i doesn't install the module.. |
| 14:09.10 | shinu | HOW CAN I CONFIGURE DEBIAN LINUX AS A DOMAIN SERVER,MAIL SERVER,CALENDAR USING LDAP????PLEASE HELP |
| 14:09.17 | asg | Kraig: no, recompile or use a pre-compiled debian kernel image |
| 14:09.17 | eeyore- | Kraig: "iptables" (the command) is apart from what your kernel supports |
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| 14:09.26 | asg | shinu: stop yelling |
| 14:09.37 | bob2 | dangle: that's irelevant. did you actual select it in the kernel config? did you start over instead of using a 2.4 config as a base? |
| 14:09.43 | eeyore- | Kraig: grep CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES /boot/config* |
| 14:09.44 | js | shinu: using your brain... or uhm.. hmm |
| 14:09.44 | filp | shinu: the question barely makes sense |
| 14:09.55 | astro | bob2: yes, at least i now get a shell - thanks. |
| 14:10.01 | dangle | bob2: okay..i'll try that thx.. |
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| 14:10.08 | Kraig | eeyore-: /boot/config-2.4.18-bf2.4:CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=m |
| 14:10.08 | Kraig | /boot/config-2.4.22-1-686:CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=m |
| 14:10.11 | sema4 | samba, bind, kroupware? |
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| 14:10.22 | shinu | I WANT TO CONFIGURE LDAP?? |
| 14:10.28 | bob2 | shinu: what's your native language? |
| 14:10.33 | filp | shinu: so learn |
| 14:10.35 | sema4 | well why dont you then |
| 14:10.41 | eeyore- | Kraig: "modprobe ipt_..." (there are lots) |
| 14:10.43 | shinu | ENGLISH |
| 14:10.49 | asg | bob2: uppercase? |
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| 14:10.52 | sema4 | or are you not sure you want to configure LDAP |
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| 14:11.04 | shinu | ya |
| 14:11.06 | eeyore- | Kraig: better off using some sort of iptables frontend. i'm in love with shorewall now |
| 14:11.10 | bob2 | shinu: no it's not. |
| 14:11.16 | bob2 | shinu: unless you're a 13 yearold. |
| 14:11.25 | Kraig | eeyore- modprobe what? |
| 14:11.26 | shinu | ???? |
| 14:11.28 | bob2 | shinu: ask a short, simple question using normal case. |
| 14:11.38 | shinu | sorry |
| 14:11.39 | eeyore- | Kraig: find /lib/modules -name "ipt_*" |
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| 14:11.54 | FIake-oFF | hello :D |
| 14:11.56 | shinu | i want to configure debian linux as a domain server |
| 14:11.56 | filp | shinu: ask specific questions not "how do I setup a network" questions |
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| 14:12.15 | eeyore- | shinu: DNS or PDC/BDC? |
| 14:12.15 | filp | shinu: a domain name server? |
| 14:12.18 | FIake-oFF | anibody knows , mp3blaster run in a 386 with 8mb RAM? |
| 14:12.33 | Kraig | eeyore-: wow, a lot of answers |
| 14:13.06 | eeyore- | FIake-oFF: *linux* has trouble running like that :) |
| 14:13.11 | ifireball | anyone here using slidentd? |
| 14:13.22 | bob2 | shinu: ok then. if you want to feed a DNS server from LDAP, look at PowerDNS, it works very well. |
| 14:13.26 | bob2 | shinu: postfix + courier work well with LDAP for mail, as well. google for "postfix courier ldap" for the relevant howto. |
| 14:13.27 | Kraig | eeyore-: thank you man, i'll begin to work with that then. |
| 14:13.49 | ifireball | nobody? |
| 14:13.59 | culti | after I compiled kernel 2.6.1, the whole kernel starts, but I dont get the console. initrd has problems I think. has someone an idea? |
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| 14:14.20 | eeyore- | forget about calendar server ... there's no decent exchange-compatible calendar (yet). BILL/OpenGroupware.org are promising, but not there yet |
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| 14:14.39 | Il_proff | hi all could some one help me wiht exim+pop3 issue?!? |
| 14:14.45 | AeroSpace | I'm stuck with diversions removing the package perl-doc, Removing `diversion of /usr/bin/perldoc to /usr/bin/perldoc.stub by perl-doc'; dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/bin/perldoc' with different file `/usr/bin/perldoc.stub', not allowed |
| 14:15.00 | Il_proff | i set up a little mail server ... and i choose exim + imap ... |
| 14:15.04 | Il_proff | and all it's ok |
| 14:15.06 | bob2 | ifireball: are you taking a survey? |
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| 14:15.12 | bob2 | culti: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 14:15.14 | tarzeau | can you try crash http://www.linuks.mine.nu:8084/test.cgi |
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| 14:15.17 | bob2 | culti: read all that first |
| 14:15.34 | ifireball | bob2: nope, i'm looking for help |
| 14:15.35 | culti | bob2, ok. many thx! |
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| 14:15.47 | bob2 | ifireball: so ask for help then. |
| 14:15.50 | Il_proff | but ,,,, now i try to setup pop3 servfice .. and when i connect to the mail server i receive this error ... no such file or directory .. |
| 14:16.01 | bob2 | FIake-oFF: a 386 is nowhere near powerful enough to decode mp3s in realtime |
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| 14:16.09 | bob2 | fluxi-st: thing more like a 486-100 minimum |
| 14:16.13 | bob2 | FIake-oFF: ^ |
| 14:16.24 | sema4 | unless you put it on pluto and over clock it |
| 14:16.26 | bob2 | AeroSpace: What does the BTS say? (/msg apt bts) |
| 14:16.37 | eeyore- | tarzeau: can it crash? |
| 14:16.42 | shinu | any give me a good site for configuring ldap?? |
| 14:16.47 | sema4 | google |
| 14:16.50 | asg | shinu: openldap.org |
| 14:17.06 | tarzeau | eeyore-: not anymore :) |
| 14:17.08 | Starfury^ | whats the easiest way to find the mac addr of eth0? |
| 14:17.09 | asg | shinu: or buy the Oreilly book; it contains enough tutorial info for the kind of stuff you are trying to do. |
| 14:17.09 | shinu | pleaseeeeeeee some other |
| 14:17.09 | sema4 | yea, what he said |
| 14:17.11 | eeyore- | tarzeau: what language is it written in? |
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| 14:17.27 | tarzeau | eeyore-: thy is C, and the cgi is bash, but you can surf around withtout test.cgi |
| 14:17.33 | bob2 | shinu: "configuring ldap"? ldap is a huge topic, you'll need to be far more specific. |
| 14:17.41 | bob2 | tarzeau: wow, good work. |
| 14:17.45 | felixdz | Hi I am trying to get my DX3500 Kodak camera going with linux. |
| 14:17.51 | tarzeau | eeyore-: thy is a nice httpd with cgi support, no configuration file needed and it can do somethingmore.. ah logging in syslog |
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| 14:18.00 | eeyore- | tarzeau: what if i dump really large HTTP_USER_AGENT to you? |
| 14:18.01 | tarzeau | bob2: algernon did all the bugfixing for hurd |
| 14:18.06 | tarzeau | eeyore-: try |
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| 14:18.08 | felixdz | I am trying to follow with this website: http://jace.seacrow.com/tech/linux/usbcam |
| 14:18.15 | ifireball | k. here is my problem: i'm trying to use slidentd; but it doesn't respond to ident queries. logs read: slidentd [12535]: Q [213.28.116.205] - [3357, 6667]; slidentd [12535]: A [213.28.116.205] ERROR - Unable to match port pair |
| 14:18.16 | tarzeau | eeyore-: it must be more than 180mb because so much memory i have :) |
| 14:18.17 | eeyore- | tarzeau: i take your word for it :) |
| 14:18.24 | AeroSpace | bob2: Are you saying this is a know problem with that package and there is a solution on the bugtrack system? |
| 14:18.33 | tarzeau | eeyore-: hurd has no moronic limits like linux and MAXPATHLEN |
| 14:18.37 | shinu | bye for every one |
| 14:18.39 | bob2 | ifireball: let me guess, using NAT/masquerading? |
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| 14:18.46 | ifireball | indeed |
| 14:18.48 | bob2 | AeroSpace: I'm saying "stop being lazy, go check yourself" |
| 14:18.51 | felixdz | root@1[pjharper]# mount /proc/bus/usb |
| 14:18.51 | felixdz | [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab |
| 14:18.51 | felixdz | root@1[pjharper]# |
| 14:19.09 | bob2 | ifireball: then hwo could slidentd match up ports on the "router" with those on the other machine? |
| 14:19.12 | ifireball | however netstat gets to port pair right |
| 14:19.13 | tarzeau | if you can crash it, you'll get an account to fix it not crash next time ;) |
| 14:19.14 | felixdz | I get the abovve message. |
| 14:19.18 | sema4 | damn notepad |
| 14:19.21 | bob2 | ifireball: you need a identd that supports masquerading |
| 14:19.33 | bob2 | felixdz: so add a newline to the end. |
| 14:19.37 | bob2 | tarzeau: haha |
| 14:19.40 | Starfury^ | anyone? |
| 14:19.47 | Mo-Ize | hello tarzeau |
| 14:19.50 | tarzeau | hey Mo-Ize :) |
| 14:19.52 | bob2 | tarzeau: don't tell me you're going to go on a hurd crusade now |
| 14:19.54 | bob2 | Starfury^: ifconfig |
| 14:19.55 | ifireball | bob2: irc client running on router nachine, no masqrading should be done here |
| 14:20.03 | tarzeau | Mo-Ize: will we work on the debian-worldmap again, some time? |
| 14:20.16 | tarzeau | Mo-Ize: simeon is in #debian-worldmap i forgot the nickname of the other german dude, can we find him too? |
| 14:20.19 | Mo-Ize | I don't know, since I'm very very ++ very busy |
| 14:20.20 | Mo-Ize | :) |
| 14:20.26 | felixdz | I put this line at the end of fstab: usbdevfs/proc/bus/usbusbdevfsdefaults00 |
| 14:20.31 | tarzeau | bob2: i like GNU/Hurd |
| 14:20.36 | tarzeau | bob2: it's just another box... |
| 14:20.45 | tarzeau | bob2: and yes i want to help it |
| 14:20.48 | Mo-Ize | I'm currently organizing an install party here in Paris |
| 14:20.55 | tarzeau | bob2: i'm sick of limits like ls * in a directory with 10000 files |
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| 14:21.02 | ifireball | bob2: ok. do you know an identd that would coexist with harden-servers? |
| 14:21.03 | eeyore- | tarzeau: have you tested "Thy" against URL bombing? |
| 14:21.07 | bob2 | felixdz: add. a. new. line. |
| 14:21.12 | tarzeau | eeyore-: no, but feel free to do it :) |
| 14:21.17 | bob2 | ifireball: hm, dunno then. |
| 14:21.20 | Starfury^ | ta |
| 14:21.30 | bob2 | ifireball: hah, harden-servers is not something I'd be relying on too hard |
| 14:21.35 | felixdz | I just did. usbdevfs/proc/bus/usbusbdevfsdefaults00 |
| 14:21.42 | bob2 | felixdz: A NEWLINE CHARACTER |
| 14:21.47 | bob2 | felixdz: hit the return key |
| 14:21.54 | sema4 | lol |
| 14:21.54 | bob2 | le key vous enter' |
| 14:22.05 | bob2 | hoooola enter key! |
| 14:22.06 | bob2 | etc |
| 14:22.15 | ifireball | bob2: still, nice to have methinks; well, thanks anyway |
| 14:22.19 | tarzeau | Mo-Ize: i'm running a LUG in my region we make install parties too, but small ones, very fun and peaceful, nice people too |
| 14:22.20 | asg | Mo-Ize: :) I would if I wasn't on the other side of the pond |
| 14:22.38 | tarzeau | Mo-Ize: how many do you expect at your party in paris? and when is it? |
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| 14:23.00 | Mo-Ize | well, we won't have more than 70 people in the room |
| 14:23.03 | Mo-Ize | can't be more :) |
| 14:23.36 | petemc | felixdz: whats usbdevfs? |
| 14:23.40 | bob2 | ifireball: hm, I can't think of any off the top of my head, sorry |
| 14:23.55 | eeyore- | tarzeau: is that a clever choice of name or what |
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| 14:24.20 | eeyore- | tarzeau: googling for "thy vulnerability" shows a bunch of biblical matches :) |
| 14:24.21 | sema4 | lol, the skyOS5 trailers mpg has dodgy porn video playing in it |
| 14:24.34 | tarzeau | eeyore-: hahahaa no idea algernon made thy, ask him |
| 14:24.44 | tarzeau | eeyore-: he's in #hurd too, now |
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| 14:25.01 | felixdz | I have just posted details on debianhelp: http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=4091 |
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| 14:25.39 | eeyore- | i must get some sleep ... time to go back and hug baby :-D |
| 14:26.05 | felixdz | petemc usbdevf? |
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| 14:26.23 | petemc | felixdz: dontg you mean usbfs? |
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| 14:28.11 | petemc | felixdz: if that camera uses usb mass storage you'll see it if you cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 14:29.00 | felixdz | I got something in usbview |
| 14:29.12 | felixdz | Should I post it? |
| 14:29.51 | AeroSpace | bob2: No luck on the bug track list, but I did find out that if I removed the file /usr/bin/perldoc the diversion removal succeeded and I could remove the package now. |
| 14:30.12 | bob2 | AeroSpace: cool. you should file a bug yourself. |
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| 14:30.54 | AeroSpace | bob2: probably but I don't know how it go into that condition or which package to fie it against. |
| 14:31.04 | bsarsgard | Hello, can anyone help me install debian on a Dell Poweredge 2300? I can't get it to see the partition table. |
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| 14:32.05 | bob2 | bsarsgard: doesn't google say anything? |
| 14:32.12 | ircdevil | bsarsgard scsi? |
| 14:32.17 | asg | bsarsgard: http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 14:32.34 | bsarsgard | bob2: Nothing useful. Yeah, I tried the recommended option to disable ac7xxx or whatever, but it doesn't help |
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| 14:33.03 | bsarsgard | asg: Thanks! I don't know why google didn't bring that up! |
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| 14:33.39 | colde89 | bob2 :: have solved problem with kernel-panic and root fs but get now unable to open initial console ... |
| 14:34.07 | mcgrof | php < 4.2 is old and we should have a new release for debian stable. A simple bad ass bug example: |
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| 14:34.10 | mcgrof | http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=18641 |
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| 14:34.22 | bob2 | php sucks in general |
| 14:34.27 | bob2 | cf php with apache2 |
| 14:34.34 | bob2 | but yes, 4.1 is particualrily crap |
| 14:34.57 | asg | bsarsgard: no worries |
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| 14:35.06 | bob2 | hence why everyone upgrades it |
| 14:35.46 | bsarsgard | I'll be sure to link to it when I get this webserver running, so it will pagerank higher :) |
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| 14:36.33 | asg | bsarsgard: it also has useful information on building your own custom install iso's |
| 14:37.12 | ifireball | k. nullidentd isn't exactly what i was hoping for; but it works... no to go paranoid and iptables drop anything that doesn't come form listed irc servers... |
| 14:37.28 | colde89 | how knows about initial console ?? |
| 14:37.47 | asg | colde89: do you see any of the boot messages or only a blank screen? |
| 14:38.10 | colde89 | asg :: anythink |
| 14:38.29 | asg | colde89: you don't see anything? just a blank screen? |
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| 14:38.59 | colde89 | asb :: anythink cold be read .. |
| 14:39.09 | Kasreyn | is there a way to physicly show files from another harddrive in another directory on another harddrive ? something similar to mount bind ? |
| 14:39.12 | ifireball | will "iptables ... -s irc.debian.org ..." do what i hope it will? |
| 14:39.33 | asg | colde89: is this a self-compiled kernel or a debian image? |
| 14:39.50 | colde89 | asg :: is the old one .. |
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| 14:40.24 | bob2 | Kasreyn: why do bind mounts not do? |
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| 14:40.39 | bob2 | ifireball: are you really that worried about an overflow flaw in your identd server? |
| 14:40.41 | asg | colde89: sorry, I don't know. Perhaps #kernel or #kernelnewbies (on oftc.net) |
| 14:40.57 | XpTerminator | hello |
| 14:40.59 | felixdz | What does "[mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab" mean? |
| 14:41.00 | bob2 | colde89: where did the kernel come from? |
| 14:41.05 | bob2 | felixdz: good god. |
| 14:41.11 | asg | felixdz: means there is no final newline at the end of the file |
| 14:41.11 | bob2 | felixdz: add a final newline character. |
| 14:41.24 | colde89 | asg :: from make oldconfig |
| 14:41.25 | Kasreyn | bob2: because the type of files are the same on both drives. and it would be easier to just show them as a collection |
| 14:41.27 | ifireball | bob2: i want to prevent it from apearing in random porscans if i can |
| 14:41.40 | ifireball | portscans* |
| 14:41.43 | colde89 | bob2 :: from make oldconfig |
| 14:41.46 | felixdz | tme to reach for "Linux in a Nutshell |
| 14:42.09 | bob2 | Kasreyn: you mean show files from tow locations in the one directory? |
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| 14:42.16 | bob2 | ifireball: why run one at all then? |
| 14:42.16 | Kasreyn | yes bob2 |
| 14:42.20 | brendan | I upgraded my kernel to 2.4.23 (with debian patches) a couple of days ago, and now all connect() calls are failing with ESRCH, according to strace. Incoming connections work fine though. Anyone seen this? |
| 14:42.25 | bob2 | colde89: blahblah, one you built yourself? |
| 14:42.29 | bob2 | Kasreyn: symlinks. |
| 14:42.34 | tommyj | why is my gnome-terminal extremely slow? It's using all my memory and it's like I'm in an ssh-session on a modem at both ends! |
| 14:42.42 | bob2 | Kasreyn: what yu really want is "union fs", but linux doesn't do that yet. |
| 14:42.45 | Kasreyn | bob2: hehe i would need to update every single file manually :) |
| 14:42.58 | bob2 | Kasreyn: or shadowfs. freebsd can do it. |
| 14:43.00 | Kasreyn | yes bob2, that is what i want |
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| 14:43.14 | bob2 | felixdz: you need a blank line at the end of that file |
| 14:43.15 | tarzeau | can we test again? http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/ |
| 14:43.17 | Kasreyn | darn.. im a bit of a linux freak |
| 14:43.17 | colde89 | bob2 :: yes and will work but dont know about initial console .. maybe vga ... don`t know |
| 14:43.20 | bob2 | felixdz: that's what a newline means |
| 14:43.22 | ifireball | bob2: trying to play nice to irc servers (if i'll just drop everything, it'll take hours to log in) |
| 14:43.36 | bob2 | colde89: so use a Derbian one. or is this 2.6? |
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| 14:43.49 | colde89 | bob2 ::2.6 |
| 14:43.58 | bob2 | ifireball: are you running any services on this machine at all? |
| 14:44.01 | bob2 | colde89: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 14:44.04 | bob2 | colde89: read all that |
| 14:44.05 | krystal2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.11 | tomZet | Hi, anyone using a abocom card reader? |
| 14:44.16 | LUT|-|I | any one can tell me sintaxe to mount a device USB? |
| 14:44.16 | felixdz | it is the last line in fstab. There is nothing after it. |
| 14:44.40 | bob2 | Kasreyn: so install that file |
| 14:44.47 | asg | krystal2: you need the php_gtk module |
| 14:44.53 | bob2 | felixdz: add a final EMTPY LINE |
| 14:45.20 | bob2 | felixdz: open the file in a text editor. go to the end of the last line. hit enter. save the file. |
| 14:45.28 | tomZet | LUT|-|I, if you mean a usb memory stick I thnik the same as a hd you will just have to make the appropriate entries in fstab |
| 14:45.33 | krystal2 | asg: I have the php-gtk module, exept that i'ts not in the directory written on the error :/usr/lib/php4/20020429/php_gtk.so |
| 14:45.40 | ifireball | bob2: yes. too many of them... |
| 14:45.49 | bob2 | ifireball: then DROPing things is silly |
| 14:45.51 | felixdz | Ok bob2 |
| 14:46.07 | LUT|-|I | tomZet: i need the sintaxe mount -t usbdevice... i dont remember the rest |
| 14:46.12 | krystal2 | asg: locate php_gtk.so ---> /usr/lib/php4/20010901/php_gtk.so |
| 14:46.13 | asg | krystal2: look for the 'extensions_dir' option in your php.ini file |
| 14:46.18 | bob2 | ifireball: the only reason for DROPing packets is to try to make your machine invisible. if some ports already have stuff listening on them, the game is up, and oyu should just REJECT them. |
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| 14:47.40 | ifireball | bob2: oh... i don't have services open on the outside... sorry for not understanding the question... |
| 14:47.55 | bob2 | ifireball: ah |
| 14:47.55 | felixdz | Thanks bob2 that got rid of the newline error. |
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| 14:48.03 | krystal2 | asg: in the extensions dir I have nothing : "; extension_dir = ./" (commented line) |
| 14:48.04 | asg | bob2: finally *sigh* |
| 14:48.11 | tomZet | LUT|-|I, "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/mmc" for example. |
| 14:48.24 | bob2 | asg: hm, I thought my mock french and pseudo spanish would work. |
| 14:48.27 | felixdz | gphoto2 does not find my camera though :( |
| 14:48.31 | asg | bob2: :) |
| 14:48.36 | tomZet | LUT|-|I, that is how to mount a card reader with scsi emulation |
| 14:48.45 | asg | krystal2: also, it looks like you are running a hybrid woody/sid box? are you? |
| 14:48.57 | LUT|-|I | tomZet: no no is not this. i can't view whith lsusb |
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| 14:49.10 | krystal2 | asg: yes, it's a hybrid woody/testing |
| 14:49.35 | tomZet | LUT|-|I, then I am not sure what you need. As around. |
| 14:49.35 | asg | krystal2: hmmm, try installing the php_gtk module from testing (if it exists.) |
| 14:49.48 | krystal2 | asg: already done... |
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| 14:50.08 | asg | krystal2: and it didn't put it in the 20020429 dir? |
| 14:50.16 | LUT|-|I | tomZet: but tks for help me! |
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| 14:50.17 | krystal2 | asg: no... |
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| 14:50.37 | felixdz | usbview sees that I have a camera |
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| 14:51.14 | LUT|-|I | felixdz: i need a sintaxe mount -t .... /proc/bus/usb... |
| 14:51.16 | asg | krystal2: odd. Maybe changing the '; extensions_dir = ./' to 'extensions_dir = /path/to/dir/with/module' will work. I don't know though |
| 14:51.24 | tomZet | LUT|-|I, np |
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| 14:51.45 | Anogarphobia | mp3 Server Online Use @Anogarphobia to get my full list. Sends: 0/1 Queues: 0/10 Serving: 119 mp3's -= Invision 2.0 Build 2418 . =- —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— |
| 14:52.23 | asg | Anogarphobia: we don't like Englbert Humperdink |
| 14:52.28 | bob2 | Anogarphobia: turn that off or get out. |
| 14:52.39 | Anogarphobia | mp3 Server Shutting Down «i had to :(» |
| 14:52.40 | Anogarphobia | sorry |
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| 14:54.00 | krystal2 | asg: the fact is that I've got some extension in the 20020429 dir, and some in the 20010901 dir. So what should i write in the php.ini ? |
| 14:54.07 | Kasreyn | hey bob2, have you check out http://sf.net/projects/translucency/ ? |
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| 14:54.26 | bob2 | no |
| 14:54.34 | Kasreyn | it seems interesting :) |
| 14:54.49 | asg | krystal2: I don't know the exact syntax for that options but php.net will know (it should hopefully support multiple paths separated by ':') |
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| 14:55.19 | bob2 | Kasreyn: ah, yes, I have heard of it. |
| 14:56.16 | Kasreyn | im not sure if i dare to test it |
| 14:56.44 | krystal2 | asg: ok. Should i made the changes in the php/apache/php.ini or php/cgi/php.ini or boths ? |
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| 14:57.49 | asg | krystal2: is the application a standalone php app or driven by apache? |
| 14:57.49 | kudo | where can i find information about nonfree,free,contrib at? |
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| 14:59.44 | felixdz | LUT|-|I I am not sure of the full syntax required? |
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| 14:59.59 | krystal2 | asg: standalone. Ok, i change the php/cgi. |
| 15:00.32 | asg | krystal2: if that doesn't work, I'd check with #php |
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| 15:00.49 | kc9ddi | I try to start dovecot, and it says this line is "missing a value": |
| 15:00.51 | kc9ddi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.53 | krystal2 | I think that the mother of problem is the warning when I try to run agata : Warning: dl(): php-gtk: Unable to initialize module -> Module compiled with module API=20010901, debug=0, thread-safety=0 --> PHP compiled with module API=20020429, debug=0, thread-safety=0 |
| 15:01.02 | kc9ddi | What might the problem be? |
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| 15:01.44 | asg | krystal2: yep, you need a module compiled for whatever php you are using (20020429) in this case :( |
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| 15:02.03 | krystal2 | asg: i don't think it's a php problem, but i think it's a debian package problem, because as it's said in the warnings it's not the same version. |
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| 15:02.28 | asg | krystal2: well, it is likely due to running a hybrid woody/testing, not a specific packaging problem. |
| 15:02.28 | kc9ddi | Also, is there a "debian way" for making a mail server? If anyone knows of any howtos or documentation, let me know. |
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| 15:02.40 | krystal2 | asg: yes, but i installed php/testing and php-gtk/testing. what did i do wrong ? |
| 15:02.45 | ix64 | have anyone here had some experience with Software RAID? |
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| 15:03.02 | krystal2 | asg: is it bad to run a woody/testing ? |
| 15:03.08 | asg | krystal2: check 'apt-cache policy <pkg>' for each and make sure they are both from the same dist. |
| 15:03.15 | krystal2 | ok |
| 15:03.20 | bob2 | kc9ddi: just install packages. there' no more to it. |
| 15:03.27 | asg | krystal2: well, you loose the stability of woody so you might as well just run testing fully. |
| 15:03.32 | bob2 | kc9ddi: if the default dovecot config file doesn't work, file a bug. |
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| 15:03.41 | asg | krystal2: though if this is a production machine, I would run woody only. |
| 15:03.44 | felixdz | Is there info from usbview that can have some bearing on this? |
| 15:04.00 | asg | krystal2: if you absolutely need newer packages, you could backport them (/msg simple sid backport) from sid or testing |
| 15:04.02 | kc9ddi | bob2: Well, I changed it to fit my needs, but it says that line I pasted above is bad. Is it formatted wrong or something? |
| 15:04.04 | felixdz | Interface 0 for example. |
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| 15:05.07 | bob2 | kc9ddi: compare it to the default one. |
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| 15:05.14 | bob2 | kc9ddi: isn' that the default anyway? |
| 15:05.32 | kc9ddi | bob2: no, the default is something like /var/spool/mail/... |
| 15:05.40 | bob2 | oh |
| 15:06.14 | kc9ddi | bob2: I think its configured right... |
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| 15:06.32 | bob2 | well, obviously not :) |
| 15:06.42 | kc9ddi | Could I /dcc you the config file? I've setup dovecot on redhat before, but not debian, so I'm probably missing something stupid. ;) |
| 15:07.23 | bob2 | I can't seem to find my dovecot config anywhere, so I couldn't compare anyway, sorry. |
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| 15:07.28 | bob2 | (I'm using courier nowadays) |
| 15:07.48 | kc9ddi | Would you recomend using something other than dovecot? |
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| 15:08.18 | bob2 | nope, dovecot is one of the best imap servers out there |
| 15:08.21 | Rawplayer | i get a error depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.6.1/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/w83781d.ko when i try to make modules |
| 15:08.29 | Rawplayer | with kernel 2.6.1 |
| 15:08.46 | bob2 | ah, you're using a beta kernel. |
| 15:08.52 | bob2 | so what did searching lkml show you? |
| 15:09.07 | bob2 | did you read "the wonderful world of 2.6" and dave jone's upgrade guide? |
| 15:09.15 | kc9ddi | bob2: I might just re-install it and see if it works |
| 15:10.16 | bob2 | kc9ddi: try their mailing list, maybe? |
| 15:11.00 | bob2 | tarzeau: an uptime of 4 hours putsyou well ahead of the hurd average ;-) |
| 15:11.31 | tarzeau | bob2: heh! i've had much more, it's just i turn it of during the night |
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| 15:12.38 | papipro | im in a home network, i got sshd running in the gateway, from my moms computer(win) i can access the gateway via ssh normaly, but from my machine(linux) i can't, when i try to ssh the gateway is just stops, nothing happens until i press ctrl-c, what can cause this? |
| 15:13.14 | astro | i have a number of files in /sbin that look like this '0-----x-w- 16375 33653 root -1 Jan 1 1970 init', is this weird? what does the zero mean here 0-----x-w-? |
| 15:13.21 | asg | papipro: wait a minute or so and see if you finally get a connection. |
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| 15:13.46 | bob2 | AciD: you've been hacked or your disk is utterly fucked. |
| 15:13.49 | bob2 | astro: ^ |
| 15:13.59 | dangle | bob2: still same problem...recreated .config and the module(s) don't install |
| 15:14.08 | papipro | asg in the win machine is very fast...the conection is made in the network, like ssh 192.168.0.1, there is no reason to delay that much |
| 15:14.10 | astro | bob2: funk! |
| 15:14.29 | bob2 | dangle: yadayada, are they actually selected in menuconfig? |
| 15:14.29 | AciD | :/ |
| 15:14.48 | asg | papipro: the issue is likely reverse DNS timeouts. |
| 15:15.30 | astro | bob2: how can i tell which has happened? |
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| 15:15.39 | astro | bob2: chkrootkit? |
| 15:15.46 | bob2 | astro: yes. |
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| 15:15.56 | dangle | bob2: are you maintaining kernel-package |
| 15:16.11 | bob2 | astro: but given that some files are now owned by the group -1, I'd bet your disk is pretty rooted. |
| 15:16.14 | bob2 | dangle: no. |
| 15:16.27 | dangle | ok..still filing the err anyways.. |
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| 15:16.34 | kc9ddi | OK, I do apt-get install postfix, and get this: dpkg: exim4-base: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request: |
| 15:16.34 | kc9ddi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.34 | kc9ddi | Removing exim4-base ... |
| 15:16.42 | bob2 | debutaunt: I really doubt it's a bug. |
| 15:16.49 | bob2 | idiot |
| 15:16.54 | papipro | asg where i do this? |
| 15:17.09 | kc9ddi | Ooops, sorry |
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| 15:17.20 | asg | papipro: 'ReverseMappingCheck no' in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 15:17.41 | bob2 | kc9ddi: lots of things on your system want an MTA installed |
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| 15:18.24 | papipro | asg i will try it |
| 15:18.25 | papipro | thanks |
| 15:18.29 | asg | papipro: you're welcome |
| 15:18.59 | papipro | asg: see what i got now: ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.1 port 12345: Connection timed out |
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| 15:19.40 | asg | papipro: you add 'ReverseMappingCheck no', restarted sshd and that's the new error? |
| 15:19.51 | asg | s/add/added/ |
| 15:20.06 | papipro | asg no, i will add it..brb |
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| 15:21.08 | kadmilos | Hey all |
| 15:21.21 | kadmilos | Anyone here that can answer a newbie Kernel Compilation question please? |
| 15:21.40 | bob2 | !+ask2ask |
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| 15:21.54 | asg | bob2: hehe http://www.bzflag.org/screenshots/bzkitty.jpg (need to send that to helix) |
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| 15:22.50 | felixdz | TTFN. |
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| 15:22.58 | kc9ddi | I have installed dovecot and postfix, so I log into the server using KMail, setup to do IMAP, and I can see my login in /var/log/mail. However, when I send an email to myself, it appears to have vanished somewhere, as it doesn't appear in my inbox, and theres so mention of it in /var/log/mail.log. Any ideas? |
| 15:23.00 | asg | kadmilos: just ask, if we know, we will answer |
| 15:23.27 | papipro | asg: is still taking to much time to get an anser... |
| 15:23.48 | asg | papipro: okay, start by using ssh with '-v and -vv' operands (to get debugging output) |
| 15:24.11 | asg | papipro: a. la. ssh -vv server.tld |
| 15:24.13 | bob2 | kc9ddi: when you send mail to you@localhost, it doesn't show up in mail.log? do you have kmail pointed at localhost for the SMTP server? |
| 15:24.18 | kadmilos | I have recompiled my kernel to 2.4.20 and included all that I need. CDRW and SOUND are working but I cant get any packet drivers to load so network! The card loads fine and ifconig brings up - dhclient bombs out though! |
| 15:24.42 | asg | kadmilos: /msg dpkg dhcp kernel |
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| 15:25.17 | kadmilos | asg : sorry? |
| 15:25.26 | bob2 | asg: ph33r the kitty! |
| 15:25.29 | asg | kadmilos: /msg dpkg dhcp kernel (our bot will help you) |
| 15:25.34 | asg | bob2: hehe |
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| 15:25.48 | asg | bob2: that's one pissed-off looking cat though |
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| 15:25.53 | kc9ddi | bob2: I'm using KMail on a different machine (my home machine) and the mail server I'm setting up is at school. So I sent mail to me@my.domain.name |
| 15:26.18 | bob2 | kc9ddi: can you telnet to the MX for your remote domain? |
| 15:26.21 | bob2 | (on port 25) |
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| 15:26.55 | asg | kc9ddi: also, more tutorial info can be found by '/msg dpkg mail tutorial' |
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| 15:27.02 | kc9ddi | asg: I'll check that |
| 15:27.07 | kadmilos | kernel bot is dead |
| 15:27.10 | kadmilos | ?? |
| 15:27.16 | asg | !+dhcp kernel |
| 15:27.16 | dpkg | Use CONFIG_FILTER (Networking Options -> Socket Filtering) (dhcp-client package requires it) and CONFIG_PACKET (Networking Options -> Packet Socket). If you forgot, you'll have to recompile. CONFIG_IP_PNP_DHCP should be reserved for special uses like diskless clients: if you asked you don't need it. |
| 15:27.17 | gourdin | hmmm |
| 15:27.21 | gourdin | dpkg realplayer |
| 15:27.21 | dpkg | There's RealPlayer 7.0 Beta available, much better than the g2 or 5.0 player, or http://huxley.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html?src=rpbform, or http://forms.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html |
| 15:27.22 | asg | kadmilos: ^^^^^ |
| 15:27.35 | gourdin | dpkg install reaplayer |
| 15:27.35 | dpkg | gourdin: i haven't a clue |
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| 15:27.52 | kc9ddi | bob2: Connected to mail.muncc.marmionacademy.org. |
| 15:27.52 | kc9ddi | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 15:27.52 | kc9ddi | 220 www ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) |
| 15:27.55 | bob2 | gourdin: install the realplayer package from marillat's source |
| 15:28.10 | Ekaterin | Help, I have a serious problem with my NFS server. It is refusing to export anything - whenever I run "/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start" it just hangs. |
| 15:28.16 | bob2 | kc9ddi: cool. so it's kmail's fault then, or your isp's. |
| 15:28.17 | kc9ddi | bob2: Its possible that the ISP didn't set the MX record like I requested - is there a way to check that? |
| 15:28.28 | asg | kc9ddi: dig <domain> mx |
| 15:28.30 | bob2 | kc9ddi: host -t MX hostna,e.com |
| 15:28.34 | gourdin | bob2: marillats source ?! |
| 15:28.40 | bob2 | gourdin: yes !? |
| 15:28.43 | bob2 | !+marillat |
| 15:28.43 | dpkg | add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. |
| 15:28.47 | gourdin | =) |
| 15:28.59 | gourdin | thanks |
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| 15:29.18 | Ekaterin | I haven't done anything to the server recently, but I have installed kernel 2.6.1 on a few of the clients - could that be the problem? |
| 15:29.20 | Norlin | Hello |
| 15:29.27 | asg | !hi Norlin |
| 15:29.28 | dpkg | Many greetings, Norlin, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 15:29.30 | kc9ddi | asg, bob2: it says this: muncc.marmionacademy.org. 43200 IN MX 5 mail.muncc.marmionacademy.org. |
| 15:29.31 | gourdin | what's exactly marillat source ? |
| 15:29.39 | gourdin | any readme anywhere ? |
| 15:29.50 | Norlin | Where/when in the process of starting a bash session is '/etc/bash_completion' ran/taken into account? |
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| 15:30.06 | asg | kc9ddi: is that right? |
| 15:30.10 | kc9ddi | bob2: could the default config files not be working (ie, the directories and/or files its using for storing mail differ)? |
| 15:30.41 | kc9ddi | asg: yes, it appears to be. The MX for muncc.marmionacademy.org should be mail.muncc.marmionacademy.org, which has an IP of 66.99.20.134 |
| 15:30.49 | bob2 | Norlin: bashrc sources it, read the INVOCATION section of the bash man page |
| 15:30.59 | Norlin | bob2, thanks |
| 15:31.01 | asg | kc9ddi: okay. |
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| 15:31.07 | bob2 | gourdin: it's an aprt source maintained by christian marillat |
| 15:31.13 | bob2 | apt, even. |
| 15:31.14 | | odd |
| 15:31.20 | bob2 | kc9ddi: postfix works out of the box |
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| 15:31.32 | bob2 | kc9ddi: may I test your server? |
| 15:31.41 | kc9ddi | bob2: sure |
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| 15:31.51 | ircdevil | how can i prevent xdm starting x on boot? x hangs my system |
| 15:32.00 | rick-- | hey, how do i search for a pkg ? |
| 15:32.00 | bob2 | rick--: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:32.05 | bob2 | ircdevil: "linux 1" at the lilo prompt |
| 15:32.17 | bob2 | kc9ddi: what's an address it would accept mail for? |
| 15:32.21 | rick-- | as in .. on my machine |
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| 15:32.28 | kc9ddi | bob2: pmcdonnell@muncc.marmionacademy.org |
| 15:32.32 | asg | rick--: apt-cache search <blah> |
| 15:32.34 | ircdevil | bob2? eeh, how, i just time linux 1 in the menu? |
| 15:32.52 | rick-- | ok |
| 15:33.09 | asg | rick--: dpkg -l | grep <pkg> (if you are looking for installed packages) |
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| 15:33.54 | bob2 | kc9ddi: it accepted mail at least |
| 15:33.55 | bob2 | ifireball: yes |
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| 15:34.26 | kc9ddi | bob2: I saw that in mail.log, but its not in my inbox (I have it using IMAP, if that makes a difference) |
| 15:34.35 | rick-- | erm.. one more q ... how do i add mirrors |
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| 15:34.38 | fairway | hi all |
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| 15:34.53 | fairway | is http://marillat.free.fr unstable/main down? |
| 15:35.08 | ifireball | bob2: ? |
| 15:35.18 | bob2 | ifireball: oops, not you |
| 15:35.26 | bob2 | fairway: read the website |
| 15:35.30 | ljlane | fairway: read the bottom of the page. I think the new site is down or something though. |
| 15:35.33 | fairway | is 2.6.1 working fine? |
| 15:35.34 | fairway | ok |
| 15:35.35 | fairway | thxx |
| 15:35.45 | bob2 | kc9ddi: grep bob2 /var/mail/pmcdonnell |
| 15:36.17 | kc9ddi | www:/var/log# grep bob2 /var/mail/pmcdonnell |
| 15:36.17 | kc9ddi | From: bob2@muncc.marmionacademy.org |
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| 15:37.25 | bob2 | kc9ddi: it's accepting mail fine then. |
| 15:37.28 | bob2 | kc9ddi: what isn't working? |
| 15:37.50 | Laurent_ | does anyone here know enough about dhcp ? |
| 15:37.54 | rick-- | any clue? |
| 15:38.02 | kc9ddi | bob2: the fact that nothing is appearing in my inbox ;) Are dovecot and postfix working off different files/directories or soemthing? |
| 15:38.06 | asg | rick--: apt-setup |
| 15:38.08 | kc9ddi | Laurent_: a little |
| 15:38.12 | asg | rick--: or edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:38.28 | rick-- | ok |
| 15:38.44 | Ruglia | I'm having trouble getting x to recognize my video card. lspci says "vga compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0176 (rev a3). any help? |
| 15:38.53 | bob2 | kc9ddi: "inbox"? iewhat dovecot is serving out? |
| 15:38.56 | Ruglia | I know it's a geforce 4 420 and i selected nv driver. |
| 15:39.03 | bob2 | !+geforce4 |
| 15:39.04 | dpkg | i guess geforce4 is Unfortunately, GeForce4 cards are not supported by XFree86 4.1, which is in woody. You can either get X4.2 (/msg dpkg x4.2 woody backport), or get the non-Free nvidia drivers (/msg dpkg nvidia) or use the 'vesa' driver. or upgrade to testing |
| 15:39.06 | kc9ddi | bob2: err, yes, I think |
| 15:39.28 | Ruglia | oh thanks |
| 15:39.37 | lawrie | how the hell do i get sounds working? :/ |
| 15:39.38 | bob2 | kc9ddi: look in the dovecot config file, it should default to serving mail from /var/mail/<username> |
| 15:39.43 | asg | lawrie: /msg dpkg audio |
| 15:39.44 | bob2 | lawrie: /msg dpkg audio |
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| 15:39.50 | kc9ddi | bob2: I'm checking... |
| 15:39.51 | Laurent_ | kc9ddi: I have a linksys router which attributes IP adresses via dhcp, however even after installing dhcp-client and changing /etc/network/interfaces to use dhcp this doesn't work. And of course I haven't been able to find any documentation about this anywhere (this is always working in the docs, I guess the people who write them never use real-life computers) |
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| 15:40.06 | loopkin | hi |
| 15:40.17 | asg | lawrie: have you looked in /var/log/syslog for more information? |
| 15:40.25 | kc9ddi | bob2: I have these three lines: |
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| 15:40.39 | lawrie | asg: what kind of information? |
| 15:40.40 | kc9ddi | # maildir:/var/mail/%1u/%u/Maildir |
| 15:40.41 | kc9ddi | # mbox:~/mail/:INBOX=/var/mail/%u |
| 15:40.41 | kc9ddi | # mbox:/var/mail/%d/%n/:INDEX=/var/indexes/%d/%n |
| 15:40.54 | asg | lawrie: sorry, wrong person |
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| 15:41.03 | asg | Laurent_: have you looked in /var/log/syslog for more information? |
| 15:41.06 | rototor | hi all;) |
| 15:41.10 | OneFix | Ne1 have a how-to for making a Woody DVD from the CD images? |
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| 15:41.22 | bob2 | kc9ddi: uncomment the 3rd one, I guess |
| 15:41.25 | OneFix | I can't find a 3.0r2 DVD |
| 15:41.38 | bob2 | why do you *want* a 3.0r2 DVD? |
| 15:41.41 | kc9ddi | Laurent_: Are you sure the router is infact broadcasting? |
| 15:42.03 | bob2 | generating an entire new 5GB dvd for the 3 packages that changed between r1 and r2 is silly |
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| 15:42.11 | kc9ddi | bob2: Restarting mail server: dovecotFatal: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot.conf line 189: Missing value |
| 15:42.34 | bob2 | gah |
| 15:42.39 | Laurent_ | kc9ddi: huh, i'm not sure of this at all, what does that mean ? that he sends dhcp server requests ? |
| 15:42.57 | OneFix | bob2: Well, that may be, I just wanted the most recent |
| 15:43.16 | rototor | I got a kernel panic if someone could help me to solve it ;) |
| 15:43.18 | kc9ddi | Laurent_: as in, when the client broadcasts a request for a DHCP lease, does the linksys know it? Or is the client not even sending the broadcast? |
| 15:43.21 | rototor | VFS : cannot open root device "hda2" or umknow-block(0,0) --- Please append a correct "root=" booy option -- Kernel panic :vfs: unable to mount root fs on umknow-block(0,0) |
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| 15:43.41 | ifireball | anyone willing to help me test my firewall? (/msg if you do) |
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| 15:43.50 | OneFix | BTW, what was the name of the distro that converts a redhat install to debian? |
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| 15:44.00 | crash | have you put in root=/dev/hda2 in your lilo.conf? |
| 15:44.14 | rototor | crash, yep in grub |
| 15:44.18 | crash | k |
| 15:44.32 | crash | have you put in support on your filesystem in the kernel? |
| 15:44.42 | rototor | yep |
| 15:44.45 | rototor | EXT3 |
| 15:44.48 | crash | k |
| 15:44.53 | rototor | and normally i got initrd |
| 15:44.53 | bob2 | IN the kernel |
| 15:44.54 | loopkin | hi |
| 15:44.55 | bob2 | not as a module |
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| 15:45.17 | loopkin | i'm looking for help about woody and wondershaper... |
| 15:45.21 | bob2 | rototor: do you have support for your IDE controller IN the kernel? |
| 15:45.25 | bob2 | loopkin: #lartc on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:45.29 | rototor | CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y |
| 15:45.34 | fairway | sorry but is 2.6.1 faster than 2.4.24? |
| 15:45.37 | kc9ddi | bob2: do I have to do something other than uncomment that line? |
| 15:45.38 | bob2 | kc9ddi: delete all the leading spaces? |
| 15:45.46 | kc9ddi | ah |
| 15:45.46 | crash | have you put in PC bios support |
| 15:46.06 | Laurent_ | kc9ddi: I have absolutely no idea, I have been searching for docs on dhcp debugging but nothing seems useful. When i ifup eth0, it just fails... |
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| 15:46.11 | loopkin | bob2: actually, it's a debian problem. there's a wondershaper special line that doesn't seem to work with kernel-image-2.4.18-1 |
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| 15:46.15 | rototor | bob2 CONFIG_IDE=y |
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| 15:46.26 | kc9ddi | Laurent_: check the logs |
| 15:46.39 | bob2 | rototor: no, for your particular IDE controller |
| 15:46.40 | kc9ddi | bob2: OK, after that when I /etc/init.d/dovecot restart, it just fails without an error |
| 15:46.51 | bob2 | kc9ddi: how do you mean? |
| 15:47.16 | bob2 | loopkin: using one of the special TOS moduels that didn't actually exist in 2.4.18? |
| 15:47.19 | bob2 | like HPQ? |
| 15:47.20 | kc9ddi | I mean that it doesn't produce an error, nor a new line after "Restarting dovcot...", and ps aux | grep dovecot shows nothing |
| 15:47.22 | Ruglia | What kind of mouse should you use if it's a laptop touchpad? |
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| 15:47.43 | rototor | bob2, I am not shure about it but before my kernel panic my hda has been detected |
| 15:47.47 | bob2 | Ruglia: "cat /dev/psaux" and tap it. |
| 15:48.03 | Ruglia | thanks |
| 15:48.06 | loopkin | bob2: no. the download bandwidth limit line (launching tc with the appropraiate params) gives no error, but blocks the connexion |
| 15:48.20 | bob2 | rototor: read the panic line again. your kernel doesn't know where hda2 is. |
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| 15:48.35 | bob2 | kc9ddi: "netstat -puat | grep imap" |
| 15:48.44 | smt | fairway, yes it is, in many ways |
| 15:48.51 | bob2 | kc9ddi: erm, sure it's not running out if identd? |
| 15:48.55 | bob2 | kc9ddi: logs? |
| 15:48.57 | melay | can someone help me with this output? -> /lib/modules/2.4.22/v4l2/cx8800.o: unresolved symbol video_device_release |
| 15:48.58 | beta3 | bob2: ccache cut time in half for kernels |
| 15:48.59 | fairway | smt: is there a reason to upgrade? |
| 15:49.05 | kc9ddi | www:/var/log# netstat -puat | grep imap |
| 15:49.05 | kc9ddi | tcp 0 0 66.99.20.134:imap2 c-24-14-177-149.c:35873 ESTABLISHED17315/imap |
| 15:49.05 | fairway | can I run 2.6.1 on sarge? |
| 15:49.20 | bob2 | melay: you built your kernel wrong |
| 15:49.22 | bob2 | fairway: yes |
| 15:49.28 | kc9ddi | from mail.log: Jan 17 09:32:30 debian postfix/smtpd[17318]: disconnect from 203-31-48-117.netspeed.com.au[203.31.48.117] |
| 15:49.28 | kc9ddi | Jan 17 09:40:41 debian dovecot: Killed with signal 15 |
| 15:49.32 | bob2 | melay: also, 2.4.22 is OLD and has a number of security issues |
| 15:49.46 | Laurent_ | kc9ddi: I am going to be ironic, but I really love that answer... no dhcp logs in /var/log/ and there's nothing about dhclient logs in the man page so I guess you have to be a unix developer to know that, no wonder open source software doesn't reach the masses... |
| 15:49.46 | rototor | bob2, where can i get the info about my ide controller ? |
| 15:49.49 | melay | bob2, not mine |
| 15:50.33 | bob2 | melay: someone did. not Debian, afaict. |
| 15:50.33 | melay | bob2, shall i try it with 2.6.1? |
| 15:50.33 | bob2 | rototor: look at the output of "dmesg" from a working kernel and guess. |
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| 15:50.40 | bob2 | melay: of course not, hwo would that help? your kernel was built incorrectly. |
| 15:50.46 | bob2 | PerfDave: oxford? |
| 15:50.48 | Kasreyn | ftp.se.debian.org down? |
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| 15:51.01 | crash | try ftp.fi.debian.org |
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| 15:51.06 | melay | bob2, and what could went wrong? |
| 15:51.10 | fairway | kernel-pcmcia-modules for 2.6.0 are not debianised |
| 15:51.19 | smt | fairway, it might not be as stable as 2.4 (or it might be more stable, who knows?) but definitely it's faster by having many fundamental algorithm changes etc |
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| 15:51.57 | kc9ddi | Laurent_: trolling won't help. First you have to narrow down where the problem is. Is the computer not sending a request. If it is sending a request, is the router ignoring it? Your going to have to do some research ;) |
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| 15:52.18 | ds2 | anyone know how to upgrade to the new kde3.2 beta2 as provided by (deb http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~aschultz/debian/ unstable/) ? I added the source, but apt doesn't seem to want to upgrade. |
| 15:52.51 | lawrie | i have no idea what driver i should be loading up here |
| 15:52.56 | beta3 | ds2: maybe apt-get update |
| 15:53.09 | asg | beta3: morning. Did your kbd come in? |
| 15:53.17 | beta3 | asg: two of them |
| 15:53.32 | lawrie | that chansplit owned =) |
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| 15:53.52 | beta3 | asg: one ps3, and one sweet usb, with a two port hub builtin |
| 15:53.55 | beta3 | ps2 |
| 15:53.58 | rototor | bob2, is that this line VP_IDE: VIA vt8231 (rev 10) IDE UDMA100 controller on pci00:11.1 ...????? |
| 15:54.05 | asg | beta3: :) nifty. |
| 15:54.18 | Laurent_ | kc9ddi: no troll there, you said "check the logs" and I say : I've no way to know where they are without more in deep research. I did not know debian/linux were similar to religion and that you had to suffer to gain acceptance. |
| 15:54.20 | bob2 | rototor: yes |
| 15:54.20 | beta3 | asg: its one of those cool ikey/imac keyboards |
| 15:54.23 | lawrie | i've got all the ac_97 codecs loaded but i still get no sound |
| 15:54.30 | beta3 | asg: however grub doesn't understand usb ... |
| 15:54.31 | bob2 | melay: I don't know, missing some video ting I would guess. |
| 15:54.34 | bob2 | !+ac97 |
| 15:54.34 | dpkg | i heard ac97 is there's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip |
| 15:54.41 | kc9ddi | Laurent_: wtf are you talking about? |
| 15:54.46 | bob2 | lawrie: install "discover" then. |
| 15:54.51 | tdwebste | anyone here have experience with "jamm-0.9.6"?? I am having a few problems, perhaps imcompatibility with struts?? |
| 15:54.57 | lawrie | bob2 discover would be? |
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| 15:55.09 | bob2 | lawrie: apt-cache show discover |
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| 15:55.13 | beta3 | bob2: 90 percent of time is via82cxx for the audio driver on integrated |
| 15:55.14 | bob2 | tdwebste: #java? |
| 15:55.20 | tdwebste | yes, java |
| 15:55.30 | rototor | bob2, i think i got it CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y |
| 15:55.47 | bob2 | tdwebste: I mean, "since jamm and struts aren't in Debian, mayeb you should ask people who know or care abotu java in particular?" |
| 15:55.56 | lawrie | bob2 thanks i'll give this a go |
| 15:56.03 | bob2 | Laurent_: /var/log |
| 15:56.04 | beta3 | rototor: no thats for the south bridge |
| 15:56.05 | tdwebste | actually struts is but jamm is not |
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| 15:56.17 | bob2 | Laurent_: and put yuor crackpipe down, just ask for clarification if you don't udnerstand something |
| 15:56.19 | beta3 | rototor: search for via82cxxx_audio |
| 15:56.34 | tdwebste | ok, I get your point bob2, any idea who might CARE?? |
| 15:56.39 | rototor | audio beta3 ..? |
| 15:56.40 | melay | rototor, via82 works only with alsa |
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| 15:56.45 | beta3 | rototor: you probably want that one anyway |
| 15:56.52 | bob2 | tdwebste: the jamm people. or #java |
| 15:56.59 | Laurent_ | kc9ddi: nothing, I'm just nervous about free software docs, they are made for developers and experts and I haven't the patience anymore to dig through them as I did when I started using linux 7 years ago. Forgive me if this is rash but that's my piece of mind right now. But ok, I'm going to make some efforts, I guess I've no choice :) |
| 15:57.08 | zakame | hello |
| 15:57.11 | tdwebste | ok, thanks bob2 |
| 15:57.15 | beta3 | bob2: finally. my office is cleaned from the mess of these new computers |
| 15:57.22 | rototor | melay, beta3 i don't speak about sound but my ide controller |
| 15:57.33 | beta3 | stupid styrofome peanuts |
| 15:57.38 | Rawplayer | old computers rock more then new computers :p |
| 15:57.40 | lawrie | bob2: it didn't go after my soundcard :| |
| 15:57.47 | bob2 | beta3: BAH. |
| 15:57.52 | Rawplayer | because when office's get new computers :P |
| 15:57.53 | kc9ddi | Laurent_: If you've been using Linux for 7 years you should be able to find information in the logs... Have you tried running dhclient manually in a verbose/debug mode or anything? |
| 15:57.55 | bob2 | rototor: ok. |
| 15:58.05 | Rawplayer | the employe's can get the old comps :P |
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| 15:58.31 | fairway | ok |
| 15:58.38 | fairway | it looks pcmcia is intergrated in 2.6 |
| 15:58.40 | fairway | anyway |
| 15:58.44 | fairway | mouse doesnot work |
| 15:59.06 | rototor | bob2 so do you have an other idea ..? |
| 15:59.25 | Ruglia | What does fatal server error "Caught signal 4." mean when x crashes? |
| 15:59.35 | Laurent_ | kc9ddi: using linux doesn't mean digging through its internals, this is a common mistake |
| 15:59.47 | bob2 | Laurent_: stop it |
| 15:59.56 | bob2 | Laurent_: Debian DOES involve digging through it's internals. |
| 15:59.58 | rototor | Ruglia, just look for an error before this line |
| 15:59.58 | kc9ddi | Laurent_: *plonk* |
| 16:00.08 | Laurent_ | bob2: this has nothing to do with debian but with dhcp |
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| 16:00.12 | fairway | why is my mouse not working in X with 2.6.0? |
| 16:00.15 | lawrie | bob2 discover isn't doing a thing to sound |
| 16:00.17 | bob2 | Laurent_: if you don't want to learn, go away. if you want help and are willing to learn to help yourself, then we'd be happy to help. |
| 16:00.18 | tdwebste | Ruglia your X error do you have a more complete msg?? |
| 16:00.24 | zakame | i'm assumin you guys here have read BSD for linux users... looks like there's a lot here... |
| 16:00.24 | asg | Laurent_: did you check /var/log/syslog? |
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| 16:00.34 | bob2 | Laurent_: blahblahblah, the logs are in /var/log/ |
| 16:00.36 | beta3 | fairway: make sure you have hotplug installed |
| 16:00.41 | beta3 | fairway: I assume your using a usb mouse |
| 16:00.49 | GunZ | has anybody got the 2.6.1 kernel working with ext3 under dewbian? |
| 16:00.52 | Ruglia | rototor: Doesn't really give an error. Just says "(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE) |
| 16:00.54 | Laurent_ | asg: i'll do it right now, thanks for this useful one |
| 16:00.55 | bob2 | fairway: you built your own 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:00.55 | fairway | beta3: yes |
| 16:00.57 | loopkin | ok, i got my problem: http://mailman.ds9a.nl/pipermail/lartc/2002q4/005753.html |
| 16:01.01 | Rawplayer | :P |
| 16:01.04 | beta3 | fairway: apt-get install hotplug |
| 16:01.04 | fairway | bob2: 2.6.0 kernel deb |
| 16:01.08 | kc9ddi | asg: He's under the impression that logs are part of linux's internals, and are too low for him to look at or something... |
| 16:01.21 | loopkin | in other words, what i suspectd is true: kernel-image packages are done by utrained monkeys |
| 16:01.24 | rototor | Ruglia, no more message before ..? |
| 16:01.26 | Ruglia | rototor: And it crashes when it gets to initializing peripherals |
| 16:01.31 | fairway | beta3: i use usbmgr |
| 16:01.42 | ds2 | is there a noflushd that works with kernel 2.6? |
| 16:01.43 | Ruglia | rototor: nope... |
| 16:01.47 | Laurent_ | kc9ddi: I said linux internals because you spoke about linux experience, but I was talking about free software in general, this is no anti'debian comment |
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| 16:01.54 | toasty | GunZ: i use 2.6.0 w/ ext3, is there difference w/ 2.6.1? |
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| 16:02.00 | rototor | Ruglia, which window manager do you use ..? |
| 16:02.07 | Ruglia | kde |
| 16:02.15 | bob2 | Laurent_: if you don't want to edit config files and read logs, don't use Debian. RH and mandrake have idiot-proofed their distros |
| 16:02.20 | tdwebste | Ruglia: I ran into a lots X problems a little while back |
| 16:02.32 | beta3 | fairway: hotplug is simply there to make device nodes and and autodetect pluggable hardware and load modules |
| 16:02.36 | bob2 | loopkin: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:02.38 | Laurent_ | *: I got rid of windows 2 years ago but i don't think it prevents me from saying what I find annoying on other systems I use ;) |
| 16:02.53 | bob2 | ds2: no. |
| 16:02.54 | GunZ | toasty: well i tried to use both 2.6.0 and 2.6.1 but they dont work |
| 16:03.01 | GunZ | i keep getting an error |
| 16:03.03 | bob2 | ds2: google for "laptop patch linux 2.6" |
| 16:03.06 | Laurent_ | bob2 : that's not the point, I want to read logs, but I just need to know WHICH logs to read |
| 16:03.09 | Ruglia | tdwebste: yeah, took me forever to get x to even start and now it does but I can't find what's crashing it :( have a feeling it's the mouse |
| 16:03.11 | asg | Laurent_: it doesn't, though the primary feedback mechanism on Unix systems is via logs. This is just a design feature. |
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| 16:03.25 | lawrie | does anyone here have god damn VIA AC97 sound? |
| 16:03.26 | toasty | GunZ: works for me...what error? |
| 16:03.56 | asg | Laurent_: syslog is debian's holdall logfile (besides some of the auth level stuff, which is in /var/log/auth.log) |
| 16:03.57 | loopkin | bob2: it says CONFIG_QOS is unset for kernel-image-2.4.18-1. i wonder why. this is plain stupid |
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| 16:04.05 | GunZ | toasty: cant remember its been about two days since i tried to get it working, something about not having a valid ext2 partition tho |
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| 16:04.11 | bob2 | Laurent_: so you should have said to kc9ddi "oh, where do I find that log file?" then. |
| 16:04.11 | tdwebste | Ruglia: try starting xinit instead of startx |
| 16:04.12 | SirCharles | i need some assistance installing debian woody on a system with a CMD 64x ATA100 controller |
| 16:04.18 | tdwebste | what error does that give you |
| 16:04.38 | lawrie | can someone help me would out what driver to load? |
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| 16:04.46 | rototor | bob2 so you don't have more idea for my kernel panic ..? |
| 16:04.49 | Ruglia | tdwebste: wow..it started it and now I'm in a graphical shell. no errors... |
| 16:04.59 | tdwebste | with xinit?? |
| 16:05.04 | GunZ | toasty: i compiled both ext3 and ext2 in the kernel but it still doesnt work |
| 16:05.04 | Ruglia | yeah |
| 16:05.04 | fairway | beta3: I could get the mouse working manually? |
| 16:05.20 | tdwebste | ok the problem is with something it doesn't like in startx |
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| 16:05.22 | asg | SirCharles: try http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ (those images have newer install kernels which should work.) |
| 16:05.34 | asg | SirCharles: if they don't, you can build your own following the instructions at the bottom of the page. |
| 16:05.34 | beta3 | fairway: modprobe hid && modprobe usbmouse |
| 16:05.37 | bob2 | duh m! |
| 16:05.38 | bob2 | e |
| 16:05.40 | Laurent_ | bob2 : I did |
| 16:05.42 | bob2 | it's SUNDAY. |
| 16:05.48 | toasty | GunZ:what was last kernel w/ ext3 that worked? |
| 16:05.48 | lawrie | can someone help me would out what driver to load? |
| 16:05.48 | dtun3Z | is there some kind of software like "Hyperterminal" for linux? |
| 16:05.51 | tdwebste | take a look at the initrc files it is loading |
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| 16:05.57 | Ruglia | tdwebste: but I've no clue what |
| 16:06.00 | beta3 | bob2: its saturday :) |
| 16:06.01 | asg | bob2: he did but the response was apparently lost in a netsplit :( |
| 16:06.07 | toasty | GunZ: use that as oldconfig to build newer kernel |
| 16:06.10 | bob2 | ds2: minicom |
| 16:06.10 | bob2 | asg: ah |
| 16:06.17 | lawrie | can someone help me would out what driver to load? |
| 16:06.22 | bob2 | beta3: your timezone apepars to be broken ;-) |
| 16:06.24 | SirCharles | asg: i just downloaded the ISO from debian and out it on my last blank CD .. how can i do it without re-downloading the entire ISO> |
| 16:06.25 | dtun3Z | bob2, i dont want to call something |
| 16:06.34 | dtun3Z | i just want something to connect to my serial port |
| 16:06.34 | bob2 | lawrie: some "via" one. how many are there to choose from? |
| 16:06.36 | GunZ | toasty: 2.4.24 worked |
| 16:06.38 | SocketERR | what was the name of the tool, to detect the a fast debian mirror in my region? |
| 16:06.44 | tdwebste | try moving your "local" .initrc and .xserverrc to backup copies |
| 16:06.47 | asg | SirCharles: well, did you try using the bf2.4 flavor during the standard debian install? |
| 16:06.50 | lawrie | bob2: there is one and it does not load for me |
| 16:06.54 | GunZ | toasty: but i thought there were many changes to 2.6.x |
| 16:07.00 | GunZ | so oldconfig is not ideal |
| 16:07.00 | tdwebste | you might have a F*()* X init file |
| 16:07.09 | lawrie | they 2 ac97 ones listed in modconf load fine but don't do me much good |
| 16:07.19 | toasty | GunZ: that is what I did, worked for me |
| 16:07.21 | SirCharles | how do i change flavours? I just booted it off the CD-ROM |
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| 16:07.31 | GunZ | toasty: hmmm ok i will try that |
| 16:07.36 | Starfury^ | running debian unstable (kernel-image-k6)on k6-2 with a ati rage gfx card, i know on windblows this is almost impossible to do but i want to dump a new mobo with athlon xp and a gforce ti4600 in there..... can i do this without a need to reinstall the whole lot and just reconfigure the xserver and maybe change the kernel image to a 386 image before changing hardware and then changing it to a k7 image after? |
| 16:07.43 | rototor | bob2, i m ataying online just query me for my pb if u got any suggestion thx very much |
| 16:07.43 | SocketERR | how can i detect a fast debian mirror? |
| 16:08.05 | asg | SocketERR: apt-spy iirc |
| 16:08.09 | bob2 | Starfury^: yes |
| 16:08.34 | Laurent_ | ok , it's in syslog indeed, but it's dhcpd (it's there with dhcp-client) output, can someone confirm that for a client only dhcp-client is needed ? |
| 16:08.36 | Starfury^ | bob2, would the k6 kernel run on a athlon xp ok? |
| 16:08.44 | SirCharles | asg: can i whisper you at all? you might need to hold my hand i am pretty clueless when it comes to linux |
| 16:08.47 | Shorty^ | yes |
| 16:08.48 | Shorty^ | it will |
| 16:09.02 | lawrie | damnit how do i copy out of a console session then? |
| 16:09.06 | asg | SirCharles: I'm getting ready to leave so you might want to ask someone else. Sorry. |
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| 16:09.13 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, ok and is the gf4 ti4600 listed in the xserver lists of graphics cards ? |
| 16:09.14 | SocketERR | asg: thx |
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| 16:09.20 | asg | SocketERR: you're welcome |
| 16:09.28 | lawrie | damnit how do i copy out of a console session then? |
| 16:09.28 | Shorty^ | Starfury^: uh, you might need to compile the nvidia drivers |
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| 16:09.29 | Shorty^ | infact |
| 16:09.33 | Shorty^ | I recommend it. |
| 16:09.43 | kc9ddi | lawrie: will you stop repeating yourself? |
| 16:09.46 | asg | Laurent_: if you have '/sbin/pump' try using that instead of dhclient. |
| 16:09.46 | SirCharles | thanks asg i will try that link you gave me |
| 16:09.53 | kc9ddi | we all heard you the first time? |
| 16:09.53 | asg | SirCharles: you're welcome |
| 16:10.07 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, not something i have done a lot of.... to get where i am now i just installed xserver and found the graphics card i had in the list..... |
| 16:10.09 | Starfury^ | lol |
| 16:10.10 | lawrie | dc9ddi: no, if i do every now and then someone finnaly answers |
| 16:10.24 | bob2 | Starfury^: don't know, I wouldn't bother trying. |
| 16:10.28 | Laurent_ | asg: I have tried too, and it fails too :), what are the differences between the two ? |
| 16:10.32 | kc9ddi | lawrie: ask once, sometimes it takes a couple minutes for people to answer |
| 16:10.41 | Starfury^ | bob2, wouldnt bother trying which bit? |
| 16:10.42 | asg | Laurent_: pump is a RH client, dhclient is from ISC |
| 16:10.44 | Shorty^ | Starfury^: I still highly recommend you compile them |
| 16:10.53 | Shorty^ | lawrie: why dont you cat it to a file? |
| 16:10.58 | Shorty^ | echo even |
| 16:11.01 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, the ones off the nvidia site come with the relevant instructions i assum,e? |
| 16:11.09 | kc9ddi | lawrie: now, what do you want to do? |
| 16:11.17 | Shorty^ | Starfury^: are you using a precompiled kernel? |
| 16:11.17 | asg | Laurent_: you might try putting your nic in promisc mode (ifconfig eth0 promisc) |
| 16:11.23 | Shorty^ | fuck my typing is going to poo. |
| 16:11.23 | lawrie | just copy some test fomr a konsole session |
| 16:11.26 | Laurent_ | asg: I knew that ;) but are there any major feature differences apart from pump supporting bootp ? |
| 16:11.29 | Shorty^ | select it |
| 16:11.29 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, heheh oh yeah |
| 16:11.39 | kc9ddi | lawrie: copy into our out of Konsole? |
| 16:11.42 | asg | Laurent_: I'm not aware of any major differences, though I'm no expert. |
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| 16:11.45 | Shorty^ | then hit the 3rd mouse button (usually the wheel button) to paste it. |
| 16:11.58 | lawrie | kc9ddi: out of it, so i can paste into browser |
| 16:12.03 | SirCharles | just quickly how do i change to the bf2.4 flavor for the debian install? |
| 16:12.16 | Shorty^ | lawrie: select it then hit the 3rd mouse button (usually the wheel button) to paste it. |
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| 16:12.23 | kc9ddi | lawrie: select it, and then hit the third mouse button where you want to paste it, as Shorty^ just said |
| 16:12.24 | ponzu | hi there |
| 16:12.30 | Laurent_ | asg: i'm gonna try with my router on my second interface, otherwise i'm going to lose my internet access |
| 16:12.32 | Shorty^ | if no 3rd button, hit both the left and right. |
| 16:12.35 | lawrie | hmm i'll give it a try |
| 16:12.37 | kc9ddi | lawrie: I think Konsole even has a edit->copy button |
| 16:13.21 | lawrie | kc9ddi: i've looked around not one to be found |
| 16:13.22 | keta | SirCharles: apt-cache search kernel-image, install the one which fits your architecture. |
| 16:13.22 | asg | Laurent_: okay (also, have you verified network connectivity by using a static setup just to make sure?) |
| 16:13.22 | ponzu | I wonder what's the easiest way to add mppe/mppc support to pppd using a source package, does anyone have clues? |
| 16:13.22 | kc9ddi | lawrie: for me its the first item in the edit menu.... |
| 16:13.37 | Laurent_ | asg : I guess the face I'm talking here is the proof that the static setup works fine ;) |
| 16:13.41 | lawrie | there is no edit menu for me? |
| 16:13.42 | Laurent_ | s/face/fact |
| 16:13.55 | lawrie | i got file session settings and help |
| 16:13.57 | SirCharles | keta: does not compute :P |
| 16:14.06 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, heheh oh yeah i am using precompiled |
| 16:14.35 | ponzu | does anybody here use pppd with mschapv2 support? |
| 16:14.41 | keta | SirCharles: ah, did you mean to make an install cd/floppy with a different kernel? |
| 16:14.51 | Shorty^ | Starfury^: you'll need the kernel headers then |
| 16:14.54 | Laurent_ | brb |
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| 16:15.02 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, just reading the nvidia readme's for the install and it seems to install it automatically |
| 16:15.21 | lawrie | thanks shorty^ and kc9ddi i'll go google myself to death |
| 16:15.23 | Shorty^ | yeh, but you need the kernel headers to build the nvidia module. |
| 16:15.31 | recht | hi... what should I do if apt-get segfaults when I run apt-get install? |
| 16:15.31 | Shorty^ | lawrie: uh, that should've worked. |
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| 16:15.49 | SirCharles | yes i did i need to install a later kernel because my current one on my install CD doesn't recognise my ATA100 controller |
| 16:15.57 | lawrie | shorty^ it did now i got the info to google with :\ |
| 16:16.03 | Shorty^ | oh |
| 16:16.05 | Shorty^ | ok :D |
| 16:16.06 | Shorty^ | ahahah |
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| 16:16.41 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, it says if a precompiled kernel interface is found that matches your kernel then that will be linked against the binary position of the nvidia kernel module the result of this operation will be a kernel module appropiate for your kernel |
| 16:16.58 | Shorty^ | well, see how you go |
| 16:17.00 | Starfury^ | lol |
| 16:17.04 | Shorty^ | I don't think they'll have debian kernels |
| 16:17.04 | Shorty^ | ;) |
| 16:17.28 | keta | SirCharles: you can make a costum debian-cd with debian-cd |
| 16:17.36 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, how come? |
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| 16:17.52 | Shorty^ | Starfury^: because for may people linux == redhat. |
| 16:17.55 | Shorty^ | try it anyhow. |
| 16:17.58 | SirCharles | keta - i already have a debian install disk created from jigso |
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| 16:18.04 | revengeslayer | anyone can tell me how i can create the /dev/dsp device ? |
| 16:18.06 | revengeslayer | i have a AC97 device from VIA and doesnt seem to work with mpg123 |
| 16:18.18 | Shorty^ | ./MAKEDEV dsp |
| 16:18.19 | Shorty^ | ? |
| 16:18.20 | keta | SirCharles: good do it again with your own kernel |
| 16:18.24 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, lol, although rh was easy to install i didnt get on with it really. |
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| 16:18.45 | asg | Laurent_: ah, okay. |
| 16:18.53 | Shorty^ | Starfury^: yeh, but alot of corperations don't know about anything else, as I said, give it ago |
| 16:18.58 | Ste41th | hello all |
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| 16:19.04 | SirCharles | i don't have any blank CD's left :( |
| 16:19.19 | asg | revenger: /msg dpkg audio |
| 16:19.42 | menteco | aptlistbugs returns W: 404 "Not Found" for every program to be apgraded and apt quits. What could be the cause? |
| 16:19.53 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, k :) chill hehe... i am still considering whether i need to upgrade or not as all this machine does at the moment is ircd, eggdrop and xchat |
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| 16:20.00 | asg | menteco: is your network inteface up? |
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| 16:20.10 | menteco | asg: yes |
| 16:20.15 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, the thing that is pushing me a bit is i noticed no k6 version of the latest kernels.... |
| 16:20.25 | asg | menteco: check your sources list is correct then. |
| 16:20.40 | Shorty^ | Starfury^: I'm still yet to see any proof that theres any advantage in running them. |
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| 16:21.25 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, excuse the ignorance here, but what is meant to be the difference between the standard 386 image and the k6/k7 etc images? |
| 16:21.25 | beta3 | asg: it looks like all my cdbs stuff is gone from berlios, what happened |
| 16:21.39 | asg | beta3: dunno, let me check |
| 16:21.43 | w3seek | i'm having problems with sendmail (hostname doesn't work): My unqualified host name (w3seek) unknown; sleeping for retry Can someone please help me? |
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| 16:21.53 | menteco | asg: can't remember which was the command to update source list :-D |
| 16:21.54 | Shorty^ | Starfury^: "optimisations" |
| 16:22.00 | Shorty^ | apparently. |
| 16:22.01 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, oh i? |
| 16:22.05 | Starfury^ | hmmmm |
| 16:22.15 | asg | menteco: apt-setup |
| 16:22.15 | Shorty^ | as I said, I'm yet to see any proof theres a point |
| 16:22.16 | Shorty^ | ;) |
| 16:22.24 | menteco | asg: ah, thanks. |
| 16:22.30 | Shorty^ | hey |
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| 16:22.32 | Shorty^ | while everyones around |
| 16:22.36 | Starfury^ | so i can goto the 2.6 386 image then on this k6 chip without a problem? |
| 16:22.46 | Shorty^ | I've noticed 2.6.1 wont detect my pcmcia bridge correctly |
| 16:22.47 | SirCharles | thanks for your help |
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| 16:23.06 | Shorty^ | Starfury^: it only doesn't work when you try use a i686 on a i586 or lower. :) |
| 16:23.13 | ScottB | Anyone know where to get a compiled version for Debian of NetBSD's makefs utility? |
| 16:23.14 | krystal2 | asg: can I contact you privatly for my php and php-gtk prob ? |
| 16:23.15 | Shorty^ | i386 works with everything. |
| 16:23.15 | raggarsvin | I have a broblem when I try to upgrade things with "apt-get upgrade" I always get som errors like "unable to make backup link of `" and a lot more |
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| 16:23.29 | Starfury^ | Shorty^, thanks for that snippet, very useful |
| 16:23.45 | Shorty^ | Starfury^: let me know how you go, ok? |
| 16:23.46 | asg | krystal2: I'm getting ready to leave. Sorry. |
| 16:24.00 | HeavyJoost | I have debian 3.0 (so stable), is there a way to apt-get distcc ? |
| 16:24.00 | asg | beta3: the web page is up. You talking about your packages on the shell box? |
| 16:24.02 | Shorty^ | asg: can you come and have wild sex with me? :D |
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| 16:24.32 | krystal2 | asg: ok. It seems that php-gtk has no release candidate in testing branch (neither in unstable). What could I do ? |
| 16:24.33 | Shorty^ | or are you leaving shortly ? :D |
| 16:24.35 | asg | Shorty^: *boink* |
| 16:24.37 | Shorty^ | ahahaah |
| 16:24.37 | Shorty^ | :D |
| 16:24.39 | Shorty^ | bbs |
| 16:24.58 | asg | krystal2: hmmm, find out why it was pulled from testing/unstable. Contact the woody maintainer and ask? |
| 16:25.05 | igel | during the installation of the nvidiaDriver it says: cannot find modversions.h WHAT can i do? |
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| 16:25.44 | PerfDave_ | bob2: Yes? |
| 16:25.55 | raggarsvin | I have som atp-get problems similiar to the ones on this page: http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/debian/testing/2003/06/msg00027.html anyone have a clu what i should do ? |
| 16:25.56 | Rawplayer | igel: install kernelsource |
| 16:26.04 | bob2 | PerfDave: oh, just curious, don't mind me. |
| 16:26.09 | bob2 | !+info xserver-xfree86 sid |
| 16:26.15 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-15 (sid), Packaged size: 4296 kB, Installed size: 11832 kB |
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| 16:26.51 | recht | no suggestions as to why apt-get segfaults when I run apt-get install? |
| 16:27.02 | krystal2 | Does someone has succeed to install agata in a debian box ? http://www.agata.org.br/ |
| 16:27.08 | asg | Shorty^: I promise, I am leaving as soon as my wife returns from her run. |
| 16:27.10 | bob2 | recht: upgrade |
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| 16:27.26 | recht | bob2: sure, that's easy when apt-get doesn't work |
| 16:27.27 | igel | Rawplayer: ?? |
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| 16:27.40 | bob2 | recht: duh, use wget and dpkg |
| 16:27.51 | david_ | anyone have a working wireless LAN with a linux webserver running? |
| 16:27.55 | recht | well, I tried downgrading, that didn't help |
| 16:28.10 | igel | Rawplayer: iVe compiled it, then ihave the kernelsource havent I? |
| 16:28.19 | bob2 | recht: then run "debsums", something is fucked. |
| 16:28.25 | asg | david_: probably, what is your specific question? |
| 16:28.27 | bob2 | unless you're using apt from experimental |
| 16:28.35 | bob2 | in which case your father smells like elderberries |
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| 16:28.53 | Rawplayer | ln -s /usr/src/`uname -r` /usr/src/linux |
| 16:29.02 | thomas_a1am | run-away! |
| 16:29.09 | recht | bob2: I'm running unstable, if that's what you mean |
| 16:29.11 | asg | bob2: and his mother was a hamster |
| 16:29.18 | raggarsvin | running "apt-get upgrade top" gives me this: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/login_1%3a4.0.3-16_i386.deb (--ununable to make backup link of `./bin/login' before installing new version: Oper Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/login_1%3a4.0.3-16_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)..... Plz help me |
| 16:29.31 | thomas_adam | Monty-Pyton :) |
| 16:29.51 | asg | thomas_adam: yes, there was a good foxtrot cartoon yesterday along that theme too. |
| 16:30.13 | thomas_adam | asg: heh |
| 16:30.16 | igel | Rawplayer: i've done it, but it isnt working because he says cannot find /lib/modules/uname -r/buuild/include/modversions.h !!!! |
| 16:30.31 | rubberpaw | Hi everyone; anyone have any luck with a PCMCIA Linksys WPC11 802.11b card |
| 16:30.38 | asg | thomas_adam: how are things on your side of the pond? |
| 16:30.41 | raggarsvin | hepp |
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| 16:30.47 | thomas_adam | asg: dark :) |
| 16:30.48 | Rawplayer | igel: did you do "make modules && make modules_install" ? |
| 16:30.49 | Shorty^ | rubberpaw: what chip have they got? |
| 16:30.52 | rubberpaw | I'm having a bit o' trouble with it. It won't detect under the Sarge kernel |
| 16:30.53 | rubberpaw | prism3 |
| 16:30.56 | bob2 | recht: no, it's not what I mean |
| 16:31.00 | Shorty^ | prism3 |
| 16:31.00 | Shorty^ | hmm |
| 16:31.01 | igel | Rawplayer: no.. |
| 16:31.04 | asg | thomas_adam: hehe |
| 16:31.05 | Shorty^ | what driver do they use? |
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| 16:31.16 | rubberpaw | and the linux-ng-wlam modules in unstable don't have a kernel image package to correspond with them |
| 16:31.20 | HeavyJoost | is it possible to intall packages of the testing releases with debian 3.0 woody (stable) ? |
| 16:31.28 | rubberpaw | so I can't apt-get install them |
| 16:31.28 | Shorty^ | rubberpaw: you can't install a custom kernel? |
| 16:31.29 | asg | HeavyJoost: it is not recommended |
| 16:31.34 | thomas_adam | HeavyJoost: just dist-upgrade |
| 16:31.42 | igel | Rawplayer: ill try it.. |
| 16:31.45 | HeavyJoost | I need this program called distcc |
| 16:31.45 | Rawplayer | ok |
| 16:31.47 | david_ | asg: it's fairly simple... currently have a wired home LAN with typical setup of linux file/webserver also acting as NAT/firewall. I've got two laptops (running windows) which plug in to lan as clients. I'd like for the laptops to have wireless access to net, but still have my linux box act as webserver and fileserver. Would the linux box still act as gateway/firewall/NAT? |
| 16:32.03 | HeavyJoost | but it's not in the stable release |
| 16:32.03 | HeavyJoost | that's qhy |
| 16:32.03 | HeavyJoost | why even |
| 16:32.03 | thomas_adam | HeavyJoost: backports.org ? |
| 16:32.06 | Rawplayer | yes david_ |
| 16:32.20 | rubberpaw | Shorty^: hmm. never used Debian's kernel building tools.... |
| 16:32.27 | Shorty^ | you shouldn't need to |
| 16:32.30 | Shorty^ | www.kernel.org |
| 16:32.31 | Shorty^ | download |
| 16:32.32 | asg | david_: it could be able to |
| 16:32.32 | HeavyJoost | thomas_adam: uhm, what's that ? |
| 16:32.33 | Shorty^ | compile |
| 16:32.33 | Shorty^ | :D |
| 16:32.34 | Rawplayer | use kernels from kernel.org |
| 16:32.36 | rubberpaw | yeah. I've done that |
| 16:32.37 | Rawplayer | idd |
| 16:32.48 | rubberpaw | plenty o' times. Then force install the linux-ng-wlan modules? |
| 16:32.52 | thomas_adam | ~backport |
| 16:32.54 | | hmm... backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ |
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| 16:32.57 | rubberpaw | or build them from source too? |
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| 16:33.13 | HeavyJoost | :) |
| 16:33.35 | Shorty^ | yeh., might be the go |
| 16:33.36 | david_ | How does the wireless router communicate with the linux gateway? I've looked at the HOWTO's online and am overwhelmed by all the jargon. |
| 16:33.42 | Shorty^ | rubberpaw: how's this sodn |
| 16:33.50 | Shorty^ | I need to update the orinoco drivers for my wlan card |
| 16:33.53 | toasty | rubberpaw: what wireless card? |
| 16:33.57 | david_ | And I guess what does the connectivity of it all look like |
| 16:33.59 | Shorty^ | so I'll reboot, and we'll do it together |
| 16:34.02 | asg | david_: are all your wired clients plugged into the wireless router or another switch? |
| 16:34.28 | Shorty^ | david_: you'll have to set a "default" route |
| 16:34.33 | Shorty^ | on the router, to the linux box. |
| 16:34.38 | rubberpaw | well, I've compiled plenty o' kernels in my time. Was just wondering if anyone's tried other things. I've already tried a few builds of 2.4 on this box for this. |
| 16:34.46 | rubberpaw | but I hadn't used the wlan modules |
| 16:34.50 | Shorty^ | oh ok |
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| 16:34.54 | toasty | rubberpaw: have you tried orinoco_cs module? |
| 16:34.56 | Shorty^ | mind pasting the link anyhow? |
| 16:34.59 | david_ | asg: I have no wireless router right now. Just doing research before I buy some hardware (so I know what hardware to buy!). Just to be clear... I am not trying to get a wireless card working on linux |
| 16:35.07 | rubberpaw | Shorty^: link? |
| 16:35.09 | toasty | rubberpaw: that doesn't need wlan |
| 16:35.15 | rubberpaw | toasty: yeah. I've modprobed it |
| 16:35.16 | _Laurent | well, it looks like I've got a problem with my second ethernet card -> orange led + no way to have it working with the dsl modem plugged in |
| 16:35.17 | Shorty^ | for the wlan drivers |
| 16:35.20 | rubberpaw | and no dice |
| 16:35.24 | rubberpaw | oh, ok.... |
| 16:35.29 | Shorty^ | toasty: ever gotten them to work in 2.6.1? |
| 16:35.43 | Shorty^ | my fscking pcmcia bridge doesn't work with the module it used to in 2.4.x |
| 16:35.57 | rubberpaw | www.linux-wlan.com |
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| 16:36.08 | toasty | Shorty^: using it on 2.6.0 sinc wlan is old for 2.6.0 on debian |
| 16:36.21 | rubberpaw | toasty: orinoco_cs loads ok, but I get no eth0 |
| 16:36.42 | toasty | rubberpaw: what other modules loaded? |
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| 16:37.06 | rubberpaw | toasty: hold on. let me pop the card in....but I gotta move my pcmcia nic to do so. bbias |
| 16:37.07 | Shorty^ | toasty: uhm, didn't make any sence of that.. |
| 16:37.58 | toasty | Shorty^: default wlan deb is based on old wlan and doesn't work w/ 2.6.0 |
| 16:38.10 | Shorty^ | ah |
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| 16:38.40 | Shorty^ | the thing is, I tried to get the pcmcia bridge in my machine (Texas instruments) and using the SAME module I used to in 2.4.x, it wont work |
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| 16:39.14 | xarg | does anyone know if I can convert a key pair generated by gpg into a p12 or pem file or something? |
| 16:40.54 | toasty | Shorty^:what module? |
| 16:40.54 | Shorty` | uhm |
| 16:40.54 | Shorty` | shit |
| 16:40.54 | Shorty` | that's pushing it |
| 16:40.54 | Shorty` | bbs :D |
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| 16:40.54 | felixdz | Still working on my camera. I have put more info on debianhelp.org : http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=4091 |
| 16:40.54 | rubberpaw | current loaded modules (that relate) axnet_cs (for my regular nic) yenta_socket pcmcia_core |
| 16:40.54 | rubberpaw | if I modprobe orinoco_cs, here's what I get... |
| 16:40.55 | rubberpaw | I get nothing on console, and dmesg says... |
| 16:41.29 | rubberpaw | hermes.c .... \n orinoco.c ... \n ...orinoco_cs.c |
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| 16:41.43 | rubberpaw | and modules hermes, orinoco, and orinoco_cs are loaded. |
| 16:41.50 | rubberpaw | but I get no eth1 |
| 16:41.59 | toasty | on mine, have orinoco_cs, orinoco, hermes, ds, yenta_socket, pcmcia_core |
| 16:42.04 | nvz | rubberpaw: man 5 interfaces |
| 16:42.20 | rubberpaw | yeah. |
| 16:42.27 | rubberpaw | nvz: the device doesn't exist for me to configure it |
| 16:42.42 | rubberpaw | toasty: same here. you have a prism3 based card? |
| 16:42.44 | asg | rubberpaw: edit /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts |
| 16:42.46 | igel | Rawplayer: it doesnt work.. |
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| 16:43.15 | rubberpaw | asg: except pcmcia-cs isn't loading the modules, so it won't go through the script |
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| 16:43.20 | toasty | rubberpaw: prism2/3 not sure which |
| 16:43.31 | igel | Rawplayer: he needs that moversions.h in lib/modules... but he just have it in /usr/src/linux what can i do? |
| 16:43.39 | rubberpaw | wireless.opts calls iwconfig, and manual iwconfig commands don't work |
| 16:44.02 | toasty | rubberpaw: on you /etc/network/interfaces, do you have line like 'iface eth1 inet ...'? |
| 16:44.06 | simonrvn | @+doesn't work |
| 16:44.08 | ravenbird | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 16:44.09 | asg | rubberpaw: do you have the 'wireless-tools' packages? |
| 16:44.27 | rubberpaw | asg: yup |
| 16:44.39 | asg | rubberpaw: then 'man iwconfig' will work |
| 16:45.00 | rubberpaw | toasty: yeah. asg: well, it doesn't work, because the driver loads but won't talk to the hw |
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| 16:45.16 | Laurent_ | asg : here's what I get in the logs : DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 [...(lots of them)] then "No DHCPOFFERS received." |
| 16:45.18 | rubberpaw | there's no eth device for me to attach to |
| 16:45.25 | rubberpaw | as far as the kernel is concerned |
| 16:45.39 | asg | Laurent_: can't remember, did you compile your own kernel or is this a debian kernel image? |
| 16:45.40 | toasty | rubberpaw:k, do you have line like 'PCIC=yenta_socket' in your /etc/init.d/pcmcia? |
| 16:45.56 | Laurent_ | asg: I was stupid enough to compile my own kernel image indeed |
| 16:46.15 | rubberpaw | hmm. not sure. it does work with my other nic... but let me check... |
| 16:46.15 | toasty | rubberpaw: more than likely, settings issue, not driver |
| 16:46.18 | Laurent_ | asg: what kind of impact do you think it might have ? |
| 16:46.19 | asg | Laurent_: that isn't stupid at all. Do you have the suggested (/msg dpkg dhcp kernel) options compiled in? |
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| 16:46.47 | igel | how can i get modversions.h for my Nvidia-module? |
| 16:47.00 | Laurent_ | "I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?, Laurent_" |
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| 16:47.07 | Laurent_ | :) |
| 16:47.07 | Shorty` | toasty: hi |
| 16:47.14 | asg | !+dhcp kernel |
| 16:47.14 | dpkg | Use CONFIG_FILTER (Networking Options -> Socket Filtering) (dhcp-client package requires it) and CONFIG_PACKET (Networking Options -> Packet Socket). If you forgot, you'll have to recompile. CONFIG_IP_PNP_DHCP should be reserved for special uses like diskless clients: if you asked you don't need it. |
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| 16:47.17 | toasty | rubberpaw: if you have PCIC=i82365, comment that and add PCIC=yenta_socket |
| 16:47.19 | _francois | igel: Install kernel headers |
| 16:47.21 | Gujin | מה ×¢× ×”××œ×‘×•× ×ª×ž×•× ×•×ª בוו×טס×ופ חזר? |
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| 16:47.28 | Shorty` | toasty: i82365 22384 2 |
| 16:47.29 | Shorty` | yeh |
| 16:47.32 | Shorty` | thats what I had |
| 16:47.39 | Laurent_ | asg: ok, I'm checking my config file |
| 16:47.40 | igel | _francois: are the headers in the source? |
| 16:47.40 | rubberpaw | toasty: doing now... |
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| 16:47.45 | Shorty` | adn yenta socket DID work |
| 16:47.54 | Shorty` | but the plain "orinoco" driver didn't work |
| 16:48.01 | Shorty` | didn't even make my wlan card light up |
| 16:48.10 | toasty | Shorty`: orinoco_cs? |
| 16:48.20 | Shorty` | there is no _cs |
| 16:48.31 | kudo | why doesn't this work ... apt-get -t testing install nvidia-glx |
| 16:48.39 | rubberpaw | Shorty`: what *did* work? |
| 16:48.45 | asg | kudo: do you have testing sources in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 16:48.45 | bob2 | Gujin: wth was that? |
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| 16:48.47 | Shorty` | uh, nothing in 2.6 |
| 16:48.52 | rubberpaw | oh, I'm on 2.4 |
| 16:48.57 | Shorty` | I've got mine running with the orinoco_cs right now |
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| 16:48.59 | asg | bob2: #debian.jp ? |
| 16:49.01 | kudo | asg: can u give me the link |
| 16:49.01 | rubberpaw | well, bbiab; restarting pcmcia-cs |
| 16:49.01 | toasty | Shorty`: there should be both, if complied kernel right |
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| 16:49.09 | Shorty` | how do I identify WHAT card I've got? |
| 16:49.12 | asg | kudo: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 16:49.17 | Laurent_ | asg: yes, I have those options compiled |
| 16:49.31 | asg | kudo: /msg dpkg pinning as well |
| 16:49.39 | toasty | Shorty`: what card do you have and do google |
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| 16:49.49 | Shorty` | I've got a roamabout |
| 16:49.50 | asg | Laurent_: wierd. Did it also fail with the promisc'd eth0? |
| 16:49.55 | Shorty` | surely linux should be able to tell me? |
| 16:50.01 | kudo | asg : thanks |
| 16:50.07 | asg | kudo: you're welcome |
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| 16:50.21 | zinx | Shorty`: if it's cardbus, i'd imagine lspci will list it |
| 16:50.23 | Laurent_ | asg: oops, forgot to add it |
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| 16:50.30 | Shorty` | nah, its pcmcia |
| 16:50.32 | Shorty` | 16bit |
| 16:50.36 | nvz | heh |
| 16:50.40 | zinx | Shorty`: then no, Linux can't tell you what it is. |
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| 16:50.50 | Shorty` | shouldn't the pcmcia manager be able to tell me? |
| 16:50.52 | zinx | Shorty`: neither can any other OS that doesn't have drivers for it loaded :P |
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| 16:51.01 | Shorty` | the drivers are |
| 16:51.07 | Shorty` | I just wanna know what specific chipset |
| 16:51.28 | zinx | erh? |
| 16:51.34 | Laurent_ | asg: could you please spell the line again ? |
| 16:51.38 | zinx | the drivers should auto-detect and report that :/ |
| 16:51.43 | Shorty` | uhm |
| 16:51.46 | zinx | check dmesg |
| 16:51.53 | asg | Laurent_: ifconfig eth0 promisc |
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| 16:52.07 | _francois | igel: Yes, but if the sources are clean, you must make a make dep and perhaps a make modules to have the file |
| 16:52.24 | shadedancer | q |
| 16:52.26 | asg | Laurent_: you might also want to use tcpdump/ethereal to see exactly what traffic is going between your dhcp server and the client |
| 16:52.32 | Shorty` | eth0: Looks like a Lucent/Agere firmware version 6.06 |
| 16:52.32 | Shorty` | eth0: Ad-hoc demo mode supported |
| 16:52.33 | Shorty` | thats it. |
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| 16:52.36 | asg | Shorty`: no, it's :q! |
| 16:52.47 | Shorty` | aye? |
| 16:52.48 | asg | grrr |
| 16:53.14 | asg | Shorty`: writing before thinking ... |
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| 16:53.14 | nofuz | what are some good netowrk games that would run on low end machines? |
| 16:53.20 | Shorty` | oh, ok |
| 16:53.27 | asg | nofuz: diku mud |
| 16:53.45 | Shorty` | oo |
| 16:53.47 | Shorty` | arach.net.au |
| 16:53.48 | Shorty` | heheh |
| 16:53.49 | nvz | nofuz: freecraft, and jumbnbumb both work on my Pentium MMX 200 |
| 16:53.50 | rubberpaw | no dice on the yenta_socket. It's using it now, I saw the message, but the wireless card still isn't working. |
| 16:53.51 | Shorty` | thats my isp |
| 16:53.55 | Laurent_ | asg: good idea, should have thought of it. let's go for ethereal |
| 16:53.59 | Laurent_ | brb |
| 16:54.00 | Shorty` | rubberpaw: no lights? |
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| 16:54.17 | rubberpaw | Shorty` power light |
| 16:54.31 | Shorty` | I get fsck all in 2.6.x |
| 16:54.34 | felixdz | I've got it. In windows you don't need to open the lens of the DX-3500 for it to download pictures... |
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| 16:55.02 | felixdz | In linux I open the lens and root@1[pjharper]# gphoto2 --auto-detect |
| 16:55.02 | felixdz | Model Port |
| 16:55.02 | felixdz | ---------------------------------------------------------- |
| 16:55.02 | felixdz | Kodak DX3500 usb: |
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| 16:55.15 | Shorty` | hahhaaha |
| 16:55.18 | toasty | rubberpaw: did you setup your /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts right? |
| 16:55.20 | simonrvn | duh |
| 16:55.30 | rubberpaw | toasty: yeah. |
| 16:55.36 | rubberpaw | but pcmcia-cs doesn't see the card |
| 16:55.43 | rubberpaw | it's not loading any modules or anything |
| 16:55.50 | toasty | rubberpaw: also, does your card match one of cards listed in /etc/pcmcia/*.conf? |
| 16:56.01 | Ste41th | is there a site i can look at that would hav all business on it? so i can look and see if company name i want is take? |
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| 16:56.23 | rubberpaw | toasty: yes. |
| 16:56.28 | rubberpaw | Linksys WPC11 |
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| 16:56.30 | nvz | Ste41th: google.com |
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| 16:56.49 | Ste41th | google lol? |
| 16:57.04 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:57.16 | toasty | rubberpaw: what is that bind to? |
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| 16:57.21 | menteco | When I do "apt-get upgrade" I get this error and apt quits: E: Too many errors while retrieving bug reports |
| 16:57.21 | menteco | E: Sub-process if dpkg -s apt-listbugs | grep -q '^Status: .* ok installed'; then /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs -I -l -g -H misato.debian.or.jp --indexdir=/~taru/apt-listbugs/ --pin-priority=1000 apt; fi returned an error code (1) |
| 16:57.21 | menteco | E: Failure running script if dpkg -s apt-listbugs | grep -q '^Status: .* ok installed'; then /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs -I -l -g -H misato.debian.or.jp --indexdir=/~taru/apt-listbugs/ --pin-priority=1000 apt; fi |
| 16:58.17 | rubberpaw | toasty: hostap_cs |
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| 16:58.38 | toasty | rubberpaw:change that to what you are using, orinoco_cs |
| 16:58.50 | rubberpaw | hmm, ok |
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| 16:59.37 | Shorty` | how can I find out what cards are inserted into the pcmcia slots? |
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| 17:00.01 | rubberpaw | toasty: testing...bbias |
| 17:00.10 | Shorty` | ooo |
| 17:00.11 | asg | Shorty`: cardctl status |
| 17:00.13 | sandman | For some reason my X wants libglide2x.so, and apt-cache search yields no such file.. how to bypass? |
| 17:00.13 | tarzeau | dystopia: hi :) |
| 17:00.15 | Shorty` | its an intersil prism II |
| 17:00.18 | Shorty` | I thought it was orinoco |
| 17:00.27 | dystopia | oi tarzeau |
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| 17:00.36 | rnc | anyone around who managed to serve an asf stream from a tv card with ffserver/ffmpeg ? |
| 17:00.40 | Steven_ | hi |
| 17:00.46 | rnc | hi |
| 17:01.01 | Steven_ | has anyone seen the effects of the mremap exploit ? I need to know if what happened to some machine, is due to this exploit |
| 17:01.06 | toasty | Shorty`: what brand/model is your card, and search that on google |
| 17:01.21 | Shorty` | toasty: I used cardinfo |
| 17:01.24 | Steven_ | kernel oopses with : kernel BUG at vmscan.c:239! |
| 17:01.26 | Shorty` | its a X program |
| 17:01.31 | Steven_ | is that mremap bug ? |
| 17:01.36 | Shorty` | it picks mine up as an "intersil prism II" |
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| 17:01.56 | xarg | does anyone know if I can convert a key pair generated by gpg into a p12 or pem file or something? |
| 17:01.59 | dustin1 | is there an ncurses package for debian? 'apt-get install ncurses' is failing |
| 17:02.00 | toasty | Shorty`: that is common chipset fir 11b |
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| 17:02.15 | asg | Steven_: have you googled for that error? |
| 17:02.17 | Shorty` | yeh |
| 17:02.18 | Shorty` | bbs., |
| 17:02.21 | nvz | xarg: libncurses5 |
| 17:02.22 | xarg | dustin1 whats the error? |
| 17:02.37 | nvz | xarg: libncurses5-dev (for menuconfig) |
| 17:02.43 | dustin1 | xarg: 'no installation candidate' |
| 17:02.50 | rubberpaw | toasty: no dice. Furthermore, if I pop the card out and then in, I get no beeps, and no lights come on |
| 17:02.57 | zinx | dustin1: apt-cache search ncurses |
| 17:03.12 | rubberpaw | but the pcmcia network card is working fine. right now. |
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| 17:03.21 | xarg | nvz: libncurses5-dev will convert my gpg key pair to pem or pkcs? |
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| 17:03.37 | dustin1 | zinx: ty i can figure the rest out now |
| 17:03.54 | nvz | xarg: the curses library has nothing to do with gpg |
| 17:03.58 | asg | xarg: why are you trying to convert gpg keys to pem? |
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| 17:04.02 | Steven_ | asg : yes, and no match |
| 17:04.15 | asg | Steven_: perhaps #kernel or #kernelnewbies (on oftc.net) might know |
| 17:04.24 | toasty | rubberpaw: in /etc/pcmcia, one of config files should have 'device "orinoco_cs"...check to make sure module are hermes, orinoco, orinoco_cs |
| 17:04.25 | xarg | nvz: I know I didn't ask about ncurses dustin1 did |
| 17:04.47 | xarg | asg: for use with OE and other apps |
| 17:04.48 | nvz | xarg: oh, I must be cross eyed |
| 17:04.50 | recht | bob2: I don't suppose you have any other suggestions than up/downgrading apt, because that doesn't seem to have any effect? |
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| 17:05.32 | asg | xarg: oh, hmm. Can OE not import a standard public key? |
| 17:05.41 | xarg | asg: not so much |
| 17:05.51 | lord_rob | hi ! how can i grep -v two expressions ? |
| 17:05.52 | asg | xarg: hmmm, check with the gpg website perhaps? |
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| 17:06.06 | asg | lord_rob: egrep -v 'e1|e2' |
| 17:06.11 | simonrvn | menteco: move the apt-listbugs file out of /etc/apt, at least until you file your bug report and get it resolved |
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| 17:06.17 | lord_rob | thanks asg |
| 17:06.27 | Nurbs | PKCS is different from gpg, you can't convert between each other |
| 17:06.30 | Nurbs | afaik... |
| 17:06.31 | asg | lord_rob: that should work |
| 17:06.41 | rubberpaw | toasty:looking on the net some more, find a reference to a page (sadly not there any more) that explains why the v4 card of this card is different from the others, and what procedures are necessary to get it to work |
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| 17:06.49 | xarg | asg: done ... OE only supports importing pfx p12 p7b and sst |
| 17:07.09 | Nurbs | xarg: then install a GnuPG or PGP plugin |
| 17:07.10 | xarg | asg: gnupg.org didn't have any info that I could see |
| 17:07.31 | bob2 | recht: as I said horus ago, debsums |
| 17:07.44 | toasty | rubberpaw: than trial and error:) |
| 17:07.47 | Nurbs | xarg: S/MIME is a completely (well, mostly) different and incompatible method :) |
| 17:08.01 | simonrvn | see what you did now? you woke bob2 up. let him sleep |
| 17:08.04 | asg | xarg: hmmm, maybe check the pgp site also. or google for 'gpg OE compatibility' |
| 17:08.11 | Cit | which packages, exactly, do you have to grab/pin in /etc/apt/preferences to use X 4.3 from experimental? |
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| 17:08.25 | bob2 | Cit: don't fuck with pinning |
| 17:08.30 | simonrvn | Cit: /msg $bot experimental |
| 17:08.32 | bob2 | Cit: just get xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:08.34 | Steven_ | asg: ok thx |
| 17:08.35 | bob2 | simonrvn: hah |
| 17:08.36 | asg | Cit: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 17:08.41 | Cit | simonrvn: yes, it doesn't say which packages |
| 17:08.48 | xarg | Nurbs: OH ... but I thought a key was key was a key |
| 17:08.49 | simonrvn | Cit: ignore the pinning |
| 17:08.54 | Cit | bob2: that's suspiciously easy =) |
| 17:09.06 | Nurbs | xarg: no, you can't use GnuPG keys for SSH auth either, I think :) |
| 17:09.14 | simonrvn | bob2: :) |
| 17:09.21 | asg | bob2: wonder if $bot == 'bot=`bug simonrvn for a working one`' |
| 17:09.28 | Nurbs | xarg: X.509 certificates can be used in some more contexts |
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| 17:09.55 | xarg | nurbs ... hmmm so an RSA key cannot be converted to pkcs 12 |
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| 17:10.08 | rubberpaw | toasty: found a script these guys wrote (whose site is down) that they used to bring up the card. gotta love google cache |
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| 17:10.15 | simonrvn | asg: $bot="modconf | apt | dpkg | ravenbird" |
| 17:10.17 | recht | xarg: yes, just use openssl |
| 17:10.24 | Shorty` | hmm |
| 17:10.27 | Shorty` | much better. |
| 17:10.40 | asg | simonrvn: ;) |
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| 17:11.11 | Nurbs | xarg: an RSA PGP key, not really. it doesn't give you any advantage either, does it? |
| 17:11.19 | toasty | rubberpaw: at least you know if is doable:) |
| 17:11.19 | rubberpaw | toasty: aha. closed drivers from realtek |
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| 17:11.27 | rubberpaw | more google cache :) |
| 17:11.32 | toasty | rubberpaw: hehe |
| 17:11.33 | menteco | simonrvn: should it help if I remove * in /var/cache/apt-listbugs/ ? |
| 17:11.35 | simonrvn | asg: hehe |
| 17:11.37 | Nurbs | xarg: OE will use S/MIME if you don't get some PGP or GPG plugin :) |
| 17:11.39 | Shorty` | anyone had /dev/dsp dissapear? |
| 17:11.41 | simonrvn | menteco: don't bother |
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| 17:11.43 | Shorty` | well, stop working? |
| 17:11.48 | asg | simonrvn: g'day |
| 17:11.52 | simonrvn | asg: lates |
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| 17:11.57 | Nurbs | xarg: no matter what key, it will be incompatible to PGP :) |
| 17:11.57 | simonrvn | asg: bon apétit |
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| 17:12.22 | xarg | nurbs .... hmm oh well ... I actually wanted to use the key I already generated with gpg in AIM too |
| 17:12.30 | Nurbs | xarg: at least S/MIME isn't some weird MS standard, though, heh :) |
| 17:12.35 | jetscreamer | anybody besides me been getting random lockups lately? |
| 17:12.41 | bsarsgard_ | Hi, I've managed to get my partitions set up on a Dell PowerEdge 2300 using this http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ boot cd, but I can't seem to configure my kernel modules, or configure my network. Any advice? |
| 17:12.52 | xarg | Nurbs: but AIM only supports pkcs12 |
| 17:13.13 | sandman | Where's xfree86-drm? |
| 17:13.22 | sandman | I need the DRM stuff for my vid card to work.. =/ |
| 17:13.45 | lord_rob | is it possible to ask grep to kill blank lines ? (i mean when a line contains only "\n" then don't display it) |
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| 17:14.59 | rubberpaw | toasty: found the realtek driver :) |
| 17:15.10 | Shorty` | ? |
| 17:15.15 | Shorty` | realtek? |
| 17:15.15 | Shorty` | ICK |
| 17:15.19 | Shorty` | *splutters |
| 17:15.29 | toasty | rubberpaw: cool, good luck |
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| 17:15.39 | rubberpaw | well, if it works, it works. it's a Linksys card, but I guess realtek makes a driver that works |
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| 17:16.12 | rubberpaw | thanks toasty. adios everyone. thanks for the kindness. |
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| 17:18.18 | zeta | anyone having any problems install the apache/apache-ssl packages in sid? |
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| 17:18.26 | witless | hi. i have a dual xeon machine. should i be using kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686-smp or kernel-image-2.6-686-smp - the descriptions are the same...? |
| 17:18.34 | zeta | I am getting: "Error: 510mod_gzip.info does not have a valid LoadModule entry." |
| 17:19.04 | vividan | umm, I just installed a news server (nntp) and I can't figure out for the life of me how to add a group. I've been looking but just can't find any info on it... could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 17:19.14 | samhob | hello when i launch gnome-theme-manager it tells me :The default theme schemas could not be found on your system. This means that you probably don't have metacity installed, or that your gconf is configured incorrectly. |
| 17:19.25 | GI-Joe | i have a problem with my dvd burner,i wnat to use it with ide-scsi emulation (either it is too slow in xcdroast), so i have loaded the ide-scsi module and add the lines append="hdc=ide-scsi" but the burner is always detected as atapi in xcdroast . Can someone help me? |
| 17:19.33 | zeta | wow a lot of problems, heh |
| 17:19.36 | samhob | everything installed.. |
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| 17:19.53 | Shorty` | the fuck |
| 17:19.54 | witless | i was just thinking - problem-to-answer ratio is pretty effing high this am |
| 17:20.04 | Shorty` | xmms keeps thinking my mp3 directories are files |
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| 17:20.13 | zeta | GI-Joe: I recomend that you turn off atap-cdrom support and turn on ide-scsi emulation support and scsi-cdrom support... then get rid of the append line, and reboot |
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| 17:20.26 | zeta | GI-Joe: your cdrom can then be accessed via /dev/scdN |
| 17:20.36 | zeta | and it will always be set up in scsi mode |
| 17:20.48 | zeta | witless: heh yeah |
| 17:21.03 | GI-Joe | but how to remove the atap cdrom? |
| 17:21.07 | zeta | kernel |
| 17:21.18 | GI-Joe | ok |
| 17:21.26 | on1aad | given a file on disk, how to know from which package (.deb) it came ? |
| 17:21.29 | zeta | pretty easy... if you have more probs check tldp.org |
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| 17:21.51 | zeta | Onlaad try... /m apt find FILENAME |
| 17:21.53 | GI-Joe | i have to recompile it so? |
| 17:22.03 | Shorty` | ok, my sound wont bind to /dev/dsp |
| 17:22.04 | zeta | GI-Joe, yes if you have it built in |
| 17:22.05 | Shorty` | any ideas? |
| 17:22.09 | on1aad | tnx zeta |
| 17:22.15 | zeta | Shorty`: do yo have permissions set up right? |
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| 17:22.25 | witless | hmm, try again |
| 17:22.29 | witless | hi. i have a dual xeon machine. should i be using kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686-smp or kernel-image-2.6-686-smp - the descriptions are the same...? |
| 17:22.39 | GI-Joe | ok thanks |
| 17:22.45 | zeta | so anyone else having issues with apache/apache-ssl packages on sid? |
| 17:22.49 | zeta | np |
| 17:22.52 | Shorty` | zeta: yeh, I chmod'd 777 |
| 17:22.56 | toasty | witless: read carefully, I thnk one points to the other |
| 17:23.05 | witless | oh ok |
| 17:23.10 | zeta | Shorty`: what error do you get with what app? |
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| 17:23.12 | witless | zeta: which one is sid again? |
| 17:23.20 | zeta | witless: unstable |
| 17:23.24 | Shorty` | zeta: anything.. even trying to echo to it, I get no such device |
| 17:23.32 | witless | on testing, i was having apache2 serve up empty documents |
| 17:23.43 | witless | "connection closed before byte 0" errors from wget |
| 17:23.45 | sandman | I'm trying to get better hardware support in xfree.. in Gentoo you used to "emerge xfree-drm" to get DRM modules for X.. what to do in Debian for the same purpose? Should I just use kernel DRM modules? |
| 17:23.51 | zeta | Shorty`: do you have the proper settings for the device on? do yo have the right driver/module loaded? |
| 17:23.59 | Shorty` | yeh |
| 17:24.05 | Shorty` | I modprobed snd_maestro3 |
| 17:24.16 | zeta | hmm weird... can you get me an error message from some program like xmms |
| 17:24.25 | zeta | does turtle do maestros? |
| 17:24.31 | Shorty` | I would if xmms wasn't playing up |
| 17:24.42 | zeta | what about mplayer or mpg123 |
| 17:24.44 | Shorty` | I think arts said no such file |
| 17:24.56 | zeta | ls -lsa /dev/dsp |
| 17:24.57 | zeta | paste here |
| 17:25.07 | Shorty` | THIS SOFTWARE COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! |
| 17:25.08 | Shorty` | Can't open default sound device! |
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| 17:25.27 | Shorty` | aptitude:/dev# ls -lsa /dev/dsp |
| 17:25.27 | Shorty` | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.27 | zeta | k, that's a pretty normal error |
| 17:25.28 | Justin_ | Shorty`: why are you using alsa if you didn't read any of its documentation? |
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| 17:25.40 | bob2 | sandman: apt-cache show xlibmesa-dri |
| 17:25.40 | Shorty` | Justin_: because thats what comes with 2.6.1? :D |
| 17:25.47 | zeta | oh you're using alsa? |
| 17:25.48 | Justin_ | !tell Shorty` about 2.6 problems |
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| 17:25.51 | Justin_ | !tell Shorty` about 2.6 |
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| 17:25.54 | zeta | I don't have any experience with that |
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| 17:26.00 | jetx | hey wtf is: "INIT: Id "4" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 17:26.09 | zeta | i've heard several people having issues with sound in 2.6 b/c it wasn't set up properly by them |
| 17:26.12 | jetx | kinda self explanatory |
| 17:26.19 | jetx | but what caused it |
| 17:26.24 | Shorty` | Justin_: you know, it could be an alsa issue, not 2.6, and I'm not stupid. |
| 17:26.28 | bsarsgard | I don't understand why I wouldn't have my cdrom available under my "select installation medium" menu, if I booted from it? |
| 17:26.34 | Justin_ | Shorty`: no, its a Shorty` issue |
| 17:26.45 | menteco | simonrvn: I solved this by purging apt-listbugs and installing it again :-) No more errors. |
| 17:26.47 | Shorty` | oh, we have an attitude. |
| 17:26.48 | jetx | Shorty` did yu create the alse /dev nodes |
| 17:26.52 | zeta | bah, so does anyone here running sid have the latest apache/apache-ssl and have issues with the package installation? |
| 17:27.03 | Shorty` | jetx: I wasn't aware it had to be done. |
| 17:27.12 | irvined_ | hello, i have two scsi cards in a machine, what do i need to add to modules.conf (modutils config) to get debian to automatically load isp_mod when i access sdb? i've tried alias scsi_hostadaptor isp_mod, each time i edit modules.conf i run depmod -ae. |
| 17:27.14 | jetx | neither was i but there's a script in the source |
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| 17:27.31 | zeta | irvined_: put it in /etc/modules |
| 17:27.32 | Shorty` | kernel source? |
| 17:27.34 | zeta | just the module name |
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| 17:28.02 | irvined_ | zeta, Thanks. |
| 17:28.05 | zeta | np |
| 17:28.05 | Wyzard | irvined_: Actually, you should edit /etc/modutils/* (probably /etc/modutils/aliases) and then run "update-modules", which regenerates /etc/modules.conf from /etc/modutils/* |
| 17:28.22 | zeta | heh or you could do it the elegant way (; |
| 17:28.28 | Shorty` | Jetx: ? |
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| 17:31.07 | Shorty` | ok |
| 17:31.11 | Shorty` | now that was easy |
| 17:31.12 | witless | where can i get a description of the codes in front of packages from dpkg -l - like ii, iF, iU... |
| 17:31.17 | Shorty` | jetx: thankyou, much appreciated |
| 17:31.34 | jf | Anyone else's mozilla-fireburd broken after upgrade in testing? |
| 17:32.03 | Shorty` | hmm |
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| 17:33.18 | jimmybgood | Can I submit a comment to a Debian BTS report or do I have to be an originator or maintainer? |
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| 17:33.44 | witless | Setting up kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686-smp (2.6.0-2) ... |
| 17:33.44 | witless | error reading /lib/modules/2.6.0-1-686-smp/build :No such file or directory |
| 17:33.48 | witless | whatsupwitdat? |
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| 17:35.28 | Rawplayer | gues |
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| 17:36.42 | zeta | jf try moving .pheonix or a similar dir, than restarting firebird |
| 17:36.54 | zeta | jf I have had the problem several times on sid |
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| 17:38.01 | zeta | bah cya guys later |
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| 17:38.06 | jf | zeta: worked, thanks to you. |
| 17:38.24 | bsarsgard | Can anybody help me put debian on my Dell PowerEdge 2300? I can't get any of the boot CDs to see my cdrom on ethernet. |
| 17:38.27 | stipi | Is there an "unstable" version of Debian, like the Mandrake distro? |
| 17:38.46 | lawrie | yep |
| 17:38.57 | bob2 | witless: if it's from Debian, file a bug. |
| 17:39.04 | lawrie | stipi there is stable, unstable and testing |
| 17:39.08 | marinos | unstable=sid |
| 17:39.11 | bob2 | jimmybgood: anyone can post to them |
| 17:39.17 | bob2 | stipi: www.debian.org |
| 17:39.26 | on1aad | bsarsgard is the ethernet device in the poweredge a Tigon3 if so, that is not in the kernel from the install cd |
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| 17:39.55 | jimmybgood | bob2: thanks |
| 17:39.56 | bsarsgard | on1aad: So how can I load that module? |
| 17:40.14 | bsarsgard | on1aad: or how can I check if that's what it is? |
| 17:40.31 | on1aad | bsarsgard> lspci -v might help, not sure |
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| 17:40.54 | dendrite | bsarsgard: Dell PowerEdge are a PITA. What CD are you booting from for the install? |
| 17:40.56 | witless | bob2: i'm doing this on a colocated virtual server so i'm not positive it's a debian problem per se - but supposedly i'm able to treat this as a true stand-alone server |
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| 17:41.03 | bsarsgard | on1aad: lspic not found |
| 17:41.19 | bsarsgard | dendrite: this one http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 17:41.29 | witless | what do iU and iF mean in front of a package when issuing dpkg -l ? |
| 17:41.32 | chris` | witless: sounds like you're on a UML system |
| 17:41.45 | bsarsgard | dendrite: also tried Victor van Beekum's, but it's got the same issues |
| 17:42.00 | witless | i don't think it's UML - this is the provider: http://www.aktiom.com |
| 17:42.04 | bob2 | witless: jvds.com? |
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| 17:42.09 | coltrane | lo all |
| 17:42.22 | bob2 | witless: read the legend above the dpkg output |
| 17:42.25 | dendrite | bsarsgard: Ah, OK, you've already given up on the 3.0 media. I ended up doing similar, don't recall exactly what I did though. |
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| 17:43.01 | bsarsgard | dendrite: yeah, the standard install cd won't even see my partition table. Oddly enough, it sees my nic just fine. |
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| 17:43.10 | sandman | How to determine what driver is being used for my console framebuffer? |
| 17:43.19 | sandman | VESA vs. Radeon is what I'm trying to find out |
| 17:43.24 | menteco | Often I cannot umount CDs from the CDROM until I log out as normal user and umount it as root. What could be the problem? |
| 17:43.25 | dendrite | bsarsgard: Did you try bf2.4? |
| 17:43.34 | Justin_ | sandman: dmesg? |
| 17:43.44 | witless | bob2: argh, that's what i get for dpkg -l | grep blah :-) |
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| 17:44.02 | bsarsgard | dendrite: no, think that might work better? |
| 17:44.18 | dendrite | bsarsgard: Worth a shot. |
| 17:44.28 | sandman | Justin_: gotchya |
| 17:44.51 | sandman | It appears that X4.3 is unavailable even in Debian Sid.. I'm not sure if perhaps there's omething wron giwht my sources.list, can someone verify? |
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| 17:45.23 | Hiroshige | buenas |
| 17:45.45 | simonrvn | @+spanish |
| 17:45.46 | ravenbird | spanish users: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda |
| 17:45.54 | Hiroshige | thanks :-) |
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| 17:46.25 | jumpkick | anyone know a good site the contrasts office chairs? (gotta buy a new one, I hear HM Aerons and Humanscale Freedoms are nice) |
| 17:46.32 | rich_ | Hello |
| 17:46.37 | eltoro | I'm trying to compile something using an old machine with 2.4.20-bf2.4 kernel. I keep getting a mach_mpspec.h not found error. Is there a way to fix this? |
| 17:46.55 | witless | ok, i'm wondering if i'm able to upgrade the kernel on the colo'd server. if not - is there any way to get back to stable from unstable? |
| 17:46.56 | on1aad | bsarsgard> lspci -v lspic was a typo |
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| 17:47.26 | bsarsgard | on1aad: sorry, I typed it right in the console, just typed it wrong here |
| 17:47.34 | on1aad | bsarsgard> does it do gigabit ? |
| 17:47.46 | simonrvn | hingwah: np |
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| 17:47.52 | bsarsgard | on1aad: not sure what you mean? |
| 17:47.54 | simonrvn | hingwah: sorry |
| 17:48.12 | on1aad | bsarsgard> lspci is in pciutils package |
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| 17:48.33 | bsarsgard | on1aad: I haven't been able to install any packages |
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| 17:48.39 | on1aad | bsarsgard> the ethernet interface, does the sales/brochure say it can do 1000Mbit/second ? |
| 17:49.03 | on1aad | bsarsgard> i only focused on the potential ethernet device problem, sorry. |
| 17:49.06 | bsarsgard | on1aad: I don't have any of that, let me see what dell says on their website. It's old hardware. |
| 17:49.28 | on1aad | bsarsgard> good luck |
| 17:49.37 | bsarsgard | on1aad: it works fine with the 3.0 standard install cd, so there shouldn't be a problem. Thanks :) |
| 17:50.16 | iscsi | what's difference between init and telinit? |
| 17:50.26 | stipi | I'm still confused of what iso to download |
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| 17:51.05 | rick-- | hi.. i would like to know is there a debian way of upgrading my kernel ? |
| 17:51.08 | witless | stipi - iso for what? |
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| 17:51.48 | Justin_ | iscsi: man init? |
| 17:52.06 | stipi | debian |
| 17:52.47 | iscsi | Justin_: asking cause both manpages seem so... same? |
| 17:52.54 | toasty | rick--: /msg apt kp |
| 17:52.56 | dendrite | iscsi: init and telinit are actually the same binary, but the behaviour is different depending on which name it's invoked with. |
| 17:53.41 | dendrite | iscsi: Actually, I lied: it changes it's behaviour depending on it's PID. |
| 17:53.54 | witless | is there a debian util to add/remove services from the startup process? eg, i don't want mysql to start automatically on boot |
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| 17:54.05 | menteco | Sometimes, CDs turn umountable when I am logged as normal user. Do you know why could this happen? |
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| 17:54.10 | nvz | witless: man update-rc.d |
| 17:54.12 | witless | thx |
| 17:54.27 | Kraig | menteco: sometimes? |
| 17:54.32 | nvz | witless: update-rc.d -f mysql remove |
| 17:54.46 | menteco | kraig: yep, sometimes. |
| 17:55.12 | Ste41th | omg my gf is using debian |
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| 17:55.17 | Kraig | menteco: well, i thought it was a matter of permissions, then it's weird |
| 17:55.22 | dedikerad | this is wierd... i mount my mp110 mp3-player with defaults,sync (even tried without sync), have files on it which are copied from a windows box. i transfer a couple of megabytes of data, umount the device (and can mount and umount it any number of times with the files still there). then i remove the device physically from my box and the files are still there. but, when i plugin the device again, and mount it, my files transferred from my linux |
| 17:55.37 | nvz | witless: you can even get creative and modify the /etc/init.d/ scripts so that they check for service_not_to_be_run files |
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| 17:55.59 | iscsi | in run level 1 in single user mode, are all daemons (only not runing as root?) shutdown? |
| 17:56.10 | menteco | kraig: when this happen, I just can umount the cd if logged as root, but first I have to log out as normal user. |
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| 17:56.25 | nvz | iscsi: ls /etc/rc1.d |
| 17:56.41 | dendrite | iscsi: ls /etc/rc1.d/S* |
| 17:56.47 | iscsi | ok |
| 17:56.49 | nvz | even better |
| 17:57.10 | Kraig | menteco: it may be that some app is using the cd, so you can't umount it even if you're root |
| 17:57.17 | dendrite | iscsi: What you are doing, trying to understand how init works, is a very worthwhile pursuit. :-) |
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| 17:59.11 | menteco | kraig: is there a way to know which app forget to say the cd goodbye? Now, none of my running aps seems to be using it. |
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| 17:59.49 | nvz | I want to make myself a custom rescue/install cd.. possibly a live cd as well. |
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| 18:00.13 | dendrite | menteco: lsof could probably be induced to give up that info. |
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| 18:00.43 | Kraig | menteco: lsof may help to know it, if there's nothing using it, then i don't know |
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| 18:01.09 | zeke | how do i install debian to another hard drive without using floppies or cds? |
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| 18:01.22 | nvz | zeke: bootstrap the hd |
| 18:01.33 | zeke | nvz: man bootstrap will tell me what i need to do? |
| 18:01.48 | dendrite | zeke: Do you mean copy an existing install, or install anew? |
| 18:01.48 | nvz | zeke: can you netinstall after the machine boots? |
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| 18:02.11 | zeke | dendrite: preferably copy an existing install, if not possible install new |
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| 18:02.37 | zeke | nvz: it's on this computer, just another hard drive. i have to get it off the old one because my parents want their hd back. |
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| 18:02.53 | nvz | zeke: copying the existing install is possible. |
| 18:03.07 | zeke | nvz: and keeping it bootable? |
| 18:03.12 | nvz | zeke: you dont have an install/rescue cd? |
| 18:03.27 | zeke | nvz: i believe i have one somewhere, but i may have given it away. |
| 18:03.34 | dendrite | zeke: Are the hard disks the same size? |
| 18:03.45 | nvz | zeke: sure, well you can probably do without it, but it wouldnt hurt to have one just in case |
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| 18:04.11 | zeke | dendrite: 2.75 partition to a 5 gig partition on an 80gig |
| 18:04.20 | zeke | nvz: i have sarge net-install |
| 18:04.29 | dendrite | zeke: What nvz said -- you DEFINITELY want a TESTED boot/rescue disk. |
| 18:04.52 | nvz | zeke: the bootdisk will make this painless |
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| 18:04.57 | zeke | dendrite: it's the one i used to install what i'm running now. |
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| 18:06.00 | nvz | zeke: if you boot from a cd, you can partition the new drive, and mv everything, then install lilo on it, and take the old drive out |
| 18:06.01 | zeke | nvz: i'm booting off of the old hard drive, do i need to worry about that? |
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| 18:06.11 | Ste41th | hunmm i want to use linux for small servers, using samba ftp etc i can use any distro for this right? |
| 18:06.13 | zeke | nvz: i have to leave the old drive in. |
| 18:06.25 | dendrite | Ste41th: no. |
| 18:06.35 | SirCharles | have an issue with fresh install: Kernel panic: Attempted to kill the idle task! | In swapper task - not syncing |
| 18:06.38 | Ste41th | ok? |
| 18:07.00 | dendrite | Ste41th: Some distros are not general purpose, e.g., firewall on a diskette type distros. |
| 18:07.12 | dendrite | Ste41th: Any general purpose distro, sure. |
| 18:07.25 | nvz | zeke: /msg me and tell me what exactly the big picture is, and if you have a bootable install/rescue media or not |
| 18:07.29 | dedikerad | got cut off so i post again: 1) this is wierd... i mount my mp110 mp3-player with defaults,sync (even tried without sync), have files on it which are copied from a windows box. i transfer a couple of megabytes of data, umount the device (and can mount and umount it any number of... |
| 18:07.31 | Ste41th | i mean mandrake, debian, fedora |
| 18:07.32 | dedikerad | 2) ... times with the files still there). then i remove the device physically from my box and the files are still there. but, when i plugin the device again, and mount it, my files transferred from my linux box (with my linux system) are gone! why? |
| 18:07.47 | dendrite | Ste41th: Sure. Debian, even. |
| 18:08.01 | Ste41th | i spose for a server i dont really need x at all |
| 18:08.06 | dendrite | Ste41th: Oh, sorry, you included that. :-) |
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| 18:08.24 | dendrite | Ste41th: For a server X is a liability. |
| 18:08.28 | SirCharles | anyone know what that is? |
| 18:08.35 | Ste41th | just a basic debian install with the bare packages i need, to make it as secure as poss |
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| 18:09.02 | SHS` | Hmm, anyone here compile PHP from source for apache-ssl...? I get an apxs error as it thinks Apache is in /etc/apache, and not /etc/apache-ssl |
| 18:09.04 | dendrite | Ste41th: That's the idea. Don't even run dselect or anything. |
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| 18:09.28 | witless | on stable, which apache2 do i want - mpm-prefork, worker, what? |
| 18:09.29 | menteco | I cannot umount a CD and no programs seems to be using it. Is there a way to know who keeps the CD busy? |
| 18:09.33 | Ste41th | then just install what i need from the ftp ? |
| 18:09.34 | zaz | hi all |
| 18:09.46 | dendrite | menteco: Did you try lsof? |
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| 18:09.57 | zaz | how to make apt-get work? |
| 18:10.11 | zaz | apt-get install xfcalendar |
| 18:10.11 | zaz | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 18:10.20 | menteco | dendrite: yes, and search its output for "dev/cdrom". nothing. |
| 18:10.20 | dendrite | zaz: What symtom are you getting that suggests it's not working? |
| 18:10.24 | zaz | Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:10.24 | zaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.24 | zaz | efb: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 18:10.30 | zaz | sorry |
| 18:10.32 | SirCharles | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.40 | dendrite | menteco: Try "/dev/cdrom", or the device /dev/cdrom points to? |
| 18:10.50 | Kraig | zaz: apt-get update, the apt-get check, and then do it again |
| 18:10.51 | dendrite | menteco: Or try lsof against the mount point... |
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| 18:11.30 | menteco | how I do that last thing? |
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| 18:11.33 | zaz | Kraig: join #flood |
| 18:11.45 | Justin_ | zaz: why are you using stuff from experimental? |
| 18:12.02 | dendrite | menteco: where is the CD mounted? /cdrom ? |
| 18:12.19 | SirCharles | anyone know what my problem is? |
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| 18:12.34 | z3r0x | hi |
| 18:13.02 | menteco | dendrite: the cdrom is mounted in /cdrom |
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| 18:13.22 | dendrite | SirCharles: For some reason your disk isn't playing ball. |
| 18:13.25 | witless | uhhhh.... "The requested URL / was not found on this server." ....? apache2 |
| 18:13.43 | SirCharles | it's a fujitsu 3.2GB |
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| 18:13.58 | astralis | Finally, my first debian install:) |
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| 18:14.17 | Ste41th | me to |
| 18:14.23 | Ste41th | on a laptop as well |
| 18:15.03 | killerbunny | quistion: the freevo imdb option... isnt it suppost to make a .fdx file ? |
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| 18:15.17 | killerbunny | i can find proper doc on the functions |
| 18:15.23 | SirCharles | dpkg: don't be a rude ass in my whispers please. if you can't help, piss off. |
| 18:15.23 | dpkg | SirCharles: You are moron #10 |
| 18:15.23 | Justin_ | killerbunny: #freevo |
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| 18:15.27 | killerbunny | ups |
| 18:15.29 | killerbunny | sorry |
| 18:15.34 | killerbunny | though i was there =) |
| 18:15.45 | menteco | dendrite: I did "lsof /dev/cdrom" and got nothing. |
| 18:15.51 | zaz | Kraig: look again |
| 18:15.59 | menteco | dendrite: I mean /cdrom. |
| 18:16.04 | SirCharles | dendrite do you think i need a new hard drive? |
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| 18:18.52 | witless | why is apache2 looking for "/htdocs" when i haven't specified that as a directory anywhere in the config files? |
| 18:19.29 | coltrane | having troubles with configuring gpm. can someone tell me default configuration for a normal ms wheel mouse ps2? (trekker) |
| 18:19.38 | eltoro | What do I change to get make to use a different -I directory? |
| 18:20.08 | TomaHawK | I need to make my swap partition bigger, best way / tool to do that ? |
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| 18:22.40 | witless | could someone pass me a shotgun so i can shoot myself in the face? |
| 18:23.16 | zaz | Tris |
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| 18:24.44 | witless | welcome to debain - shoot yourself in the face! |
| 18:24.59 | lawrie | i agree |
| 18:25.08 | Ste41th | will a basic debian install hve ssh server installed o rnot? |
| 18:25.10 | Ste41th | or* |
| 18:25.36 | lawrie | not |
| 18:25.43 | witless | why the fuck is apache2 looking for "/htdocs"?? |
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| 18:25.57 | SirCharles | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:26.16 | simonrvn | finally got that x86 booted |
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| 18:28.29 | Ste41th | who ever sent me the ssh thing , thanks |
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| 18:28.55 | |f[a]t| | Could anyone tell me the difference in the screenmodes which I have to pick from during the install ? |
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| 18:31.16 | SirCharles | shove debian up your asses |
| 18:31.26 | zeke | where are debian's packages installed, so programs i compile can use my debian packages for dependencies? |
| 18:31.26 | pngwn | heh |
| 18:31.28 | simonrvn | dumbass |
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| 18:31.56 | pngwn | like it's our fault he's an idiot ;) |
| 18:32.10 | simonrvn | yah, no kidding :) |
| 18:32.22 | sTone_heAd | zeke, you better make a debian package of your software |
| 18:32.48 | zeke | sTone_heAd: how would i do that? is it horrificly painful? |
| 18:32.52 | simonrvn | he joined then left all for that? holy fuck.. |
| 18:33.02 | simonrvn | some people need to get a life.. |
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| 18:34.49 | eltoro | I am having trouble finding a netinst on www.debian.org or debianplanet :( |
| 18:34.51 | sTone_heAd | zeke, not that painful, anyway have you checked if there are packaged versions of that software? |
| 18:35.04 | zeke | there are, but not as new as i want. |
| 18:35.24 | anxia | can anybody help me using lmsensors with kernel 2.6?? |
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| 18:36.23 | nvz | zeke: dpkg -L <package> |
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| 18:36.41 | havvk | eltoro: what? |
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| 18:37.01 | nvz | zeke: if used properly you should not even have any problems like that in debian |
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| 18:37.20 | havvk | eltoro: on www.debian.org you can find the netinst |
| 18:37.39 | eltoro | havvk: i know, many of them are not working |
| 18:37.56 | havvk | eltoro: but what netinsta do you want? |
| 18:38.02 | havvk | sarge d-i? |
| 18:38.13 | zeke | nvz: what do you mean "used properly," is there a better way to do it? |
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| 18:38.26 | eltoro | havvk: i didn't think d-i was working well |
| 18:38.28 | streuner | !netinstall |
| 18:38.28 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a 32M bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for downloads and instructions. you can also use >=2 disks [1) rescue.bin 2) root.bin] check http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs, or http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/ or http://iso.linux.hr/debian/minicd/ or http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 18:38.40 | nvz | zeke: I mean if you know how to build on debian |
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| 18:38.53 | Conductor|Laptop | where do i find mousedev in kernel 2.6? |
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| 18:39.33 | zeke | nvz: care to point me in the right direction? |
| 18:39.36 | streuner | Conductor: what kind of mouse do you have? |
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| 18:40.01 | Conductor | streuner, a usb one |
| 18:40.11 | Conductor | streuner, logitech dual optical |
| 18:40.13 | streuner | Conductor: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 18:40.15 | nvz | zeke: you have to be more specific, debian is a packaged distro, all packages place their files in the right locations, and your path is set, it knows where this shit is even if you dont. |
| 18:40.35 | nvz | zeke: to see where files from a package go dpkg -L <package> |
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| 18:41.10 | marius_ | what package contains man pages for c functions like printf, sleep, etc? |
| 18:41.24 | LoRez | manpages-dev |
| 18:41.40 | marius_ | ah thank you |
| 18:41.52 | lawrie | wtf |
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| 18:41.57 | lawrie | !+ac97 |
| 18:41.57 | dpkg | i guess ac97 is there's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip |
| 18:42.14 | lawrie | that don't help |
| 18:42.32 | witless | i just installed apache2 on debian stable. all requests log error about not finding "/htdocs". i haven't configured this anywhere - any ideas? |
| 18:43.09 | Honksu- | what is that weird ISO image NONUS for? |
| 18:43.15 | nvz | !info apache2 stable |
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| 18:43.34 | streuner | Honksu-: /msg dpkg nonus |
| 18:43.38 | nvz | funny, apache2 isnt in stable |
| 18:44.08 | witless | oops, i mean unstable |
| 18:44.46 | streuner | witless: why not just use 1.3? |
| 18:45.22 | witless | i use 2.0 at home and at work - this is on a colocated box from a provider - just wanted to use the new one on all... |
| 18:45.25 | on1aad | witles /etc/apache2 shoudl have the .conf |
| 18:45.31 | tvn | nvz: because apache2 didn't meet the woody's freeze date |
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| 18:46.38 | DemiGuru | If you don't want to compile it from source why not just backport it from backports.org? |
| 18:48.16 | witless | nothing in apache2 about a "/htdocs" directory. i did find reference to this in /etc/vhosts - i tried renaming that directory and restarting apache2 - same problem |
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| 18:49.01 | L30n | Alguém fala português aqui? |
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| 18:49.18 | knoppix__ | salut |
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| 18:49.37 | L30n | olá |
| 18:49.51 | on1aad | obrigado %-> |
| 18:49.57 | knoppix__ | j'ai besoin d'un coup de main |
| 18:50.07 | zeke | did cdbakeoven get removed from debian? i can't find it in aptitude... |
| 18:50.19 | on1aad | knoppix__ -> #debian.fr ? |
| 18:50.25 | knoppix__ | ok |
| 18:50.28 | LoRez | is there a console mp3 player that lets you use a playlist and move about it? |
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| 18:50.37 | nvz | LoRez: cplay |
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| 18:50.46 | tvn | LoRez: mp3blaster |
| 18:50.55 | nvz | cplay! |
| 18:51.00 | LoRez | thanks =) |
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| 18:51.14 | nvz | !fuck mp3blaster |
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| 18:52.12 | nvz | well I am going awol |
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| 18:53.19 | L30n | alguém poderia me ajudar a instalar o Debian? |
| 18:53.31 | Mave | ~spanish |
| 18:53.36 | | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 18:53.49 | streuner | ~portugues |
| 18:54.01 | Mo-Ize | ~portuguese |
| 18:54.03 | | it has been said that portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:54.09 | Mave | haha |
| 18:54.10 | Mo-Ize | :) |
| 18:54.27 | L30n | obrigado |
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| 18:55.18 | IDioaO | where is device driver directory ? |
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| 18:55.44 | streuner | in menuconfig? |
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| 18:56.56 | Mave | ~test |
| 18:56.58 | | Failed |
| 18:57.10 | js_ | who in here was it that said csh is dangerous? |
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| 18:58.01 | didi | hi all |
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| 18:58.17 | marcel_ | hi |
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| 18:58.27 | didi | got a strange thing : apache doesn't start but say nothing in the log , nowhere |
| 18:58.43 | zulu | I would like to understand when configuring the 2.6 kern why it is an obligation to have scsi in module (because I dont need it anymore with ide-cd for burning) |
| 18:58.43 | marcel_ | didi, how did you install apache? |
| 18:58.45 | didi | strace doesn't help |
| 18:58.45 | isam | can anyone help me with setting the "non-free" nvidia driver ? |
| 18:58.58 | on1aad | didi> ran apachectl2 or ... ? |
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| 18:59.01 | didi | marcel_ : bye |
| 18:59.07 | didi | apahe 13 |
| 18:59.10 | didi | apahe 13.29 |
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| 18:59.13 | isam | I only see nvidia-kernel-source .. how.. what would I do after installing that |
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| 18:59.16 | streuner | isam: 2.6 kernel? then /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
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| 18:59.19 | isam | how can I create the modile ? |
| 18:59.30 | marcel_ | didi, did you use apt-get? of install with sources? |
| 18:59.40 | didi | binary |
| 18:59.41 | isam | streuner: 2.4 .. |
| 18:59.47 | zulu | isam: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/ |
| 18:59.50 | marcel_ | didi, so apt-get? |
| 18:59.52 | isam | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.58 | IDioaO | streuner $ menuconfig |
| 18:59.58 | IDioaO | bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 19:00.00 | marcel_ | didi, did you do apt-get install apache? |
| 19:00.02 | didi | yesterday i recompile a php4 as a deb file |
| 19:00.06 | kiall | heya, whats the deb package name(s) for some IMAP servers? preferably stand alone ones that can be used with any MTA/POP Server? |
| 19:00.24 | marcel_ | didi, ? you dont need to compile anything |
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| 19:00.35 | zulu | I would like to understand when configuring the 2.6 kern why it is an obligation to have scsi in module (because I dont need it anymore with ide-cd for burning) |
| 19:00.35 | marcel_ | didi, do: apt-get install apache |
| 19:00.51 | didi | marcel : i know all that |
| 19:00.56 | didi | apache was working |
| 19:00.58 | didi | before |
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| 19:01.25 | didi | the init scritp says it start but nothing |
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| 19:01.30 | didi | no port listening |
| 19:01.33 | didi | etc ... |
| 19:01.35 | didi | no process |
| 19:01.41 | didi | strace doesn't help |
| 19:01.41 | marcel_ | didi, what did you change? |
| 19:01.50 | Kraig | how do i recompile the kernel for iptables to get working |
| 19:02.03 | didi | Yesterday I installed a php4 home recompiled |
| 19:02.07 | didi | it was working |
| 19:02.17 | didi | then this morninh after a reboot nothing |
| 19:02.21 | streuner | Kraig: enable netfilter section |
| 19:02.28 | marcel_ | didi, why not apt-get install php4? |
| 19:02.36 | didi | I did it |
| 19:02.55 | didi | no change |
| 19:02.56 | marcel_ | didi, what did you compile?? |
| 19:03.03 | marcel_ | didi, do you know what compiling is? |
| 19:03.10 | marcel_ | didi, apt-get is not compiling |
| 19:03.13 | didi | I just recreate the php4 module to add --with-pspell |
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| 19:03.22 | didi | yes marcel I know |
| 19:03.26 | didi | I am admin |
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| 19:03.37 | didi | I am sysadmin |
| 19:03.42 | didi | for 5 years |
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| 19:03.54 | marcel_ | didi, /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 19:04.08 | LoRez | ~tell didi about enter |
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| 19:04.36 | fastballs | how do I go about formatting a new linux partition? |
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| 19:04.41 | didi | (excuse my enter... i won't do it again) |
| 19:04.44 | fastballs | I'm adding a disk |
| 19:05.22 | streuner | Kraig: Don't /msg me, ask channel |
| 19:05.27 | lord_rob | if i type "cat textfile" is it possible to pipe this command with something that would kill every blank line in this file ? |
| 19:05.30 | Kraig | streuner: ok sorry |
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| 19:05.46 | streuner | Kraig: /msg dpkg newbiedoc |
| 19:05.52 | xerophyte | does anybody know how the audio stream brocast works for example if i have audio stream with 128kbs .. and 100 person listen that stream for 24 hours .. how much bandwith do i need is it 1350Mb or 1350MB *100 .. can somebody help me on this thanks |
| 19:05.52 | fastballs | lord_rob: you can do that in perl pretty easily |
| 19:05.59 | streuner | !tell Kraig about kp |
| 19:06.02 | bztunk | lord_rob: grep can, and perl |
| 19:06.03 | carambol | somebody have tried apt-fu? |
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| 19:06.20 | zulu | I would like to understand when configuring the 2.6 kern why it is an obligation to have scsi in module (because I dont need it anymore with ide-cd for burning) |
| 19:06.23 | tasio | fastballs: just create the filesystem for the partition(s) w/ mkfs.{ext2,ext3,reiserfs,xfs,jfs}, etc |
| 19:06.30 | fastballs | thanks |
| 19:06.46 | lord_rob | bztunk: i did man grep and found nothing related to that :( |
| 19:06.46 | streuner | Kraig: on which part you have problems? |
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| 19:07.22 | bztunk | lord_rob: you can use . or something like that |
| 19:07.39 | streuner | cpu[array]: turn that off. |
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| 19:07.44 | fxn | what's the cgi-bin directory of Apache installed from package? |
| 19:07.56 | tasio | fxn: usually /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 19:07.57 | Kraig | streuner: i'll try to read before making a stupid question |
| 19:08.05 | cpu[array] | oh sorry |
| 19:08.11 | fxn | tasio: excellent, thank you (couldn't test here) |
| 19:08.22 | isam | if I installed the kernel sources for my kernel.. do I still need kernel-headers to build kernel modules ? |
| 19:08.23 | streuner | Kraig: somebody said, there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. |
| 19:08.27 | pabl0 | somebody knows how cna I create a list of ssh restricted users? I just want to give ssh access to 2 users |
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| 19:08.36 | kelt | !tell about kp |
| 19:08.45 | bztunk | !kp |
| 19:08.45 | dpkg | i guess kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/ |
| 19:09.00 | ComradeP | Could someone give some ideas about what could be wrong? I can't get any sound out of my speakers, using artsd/KDE3.1.4. Sound card driver snd_intel8x0 compiled as a module on 2.6.1... sound worked on 2.6.0 then randomly stopped, I was hoping the upgrade to 2.6.1 would fix it |
| 19:09.48 | ComradeP | volume seems to be turned up etc |
| 19:09.51 | ComradeP | no error messages |
| 19:09.57 | kelt | hmm... ComradeP when you do a lsmod does it have the module listed as being used? |
| 19:10.03 | ComradeP | yep |
| 19:10.06 | Kraig | streuner: it will be stupid to ask and get an answer that will make you wonder what's really happening |
| 19:10.26 | ComradeP | used by snd_ac92_codec & snd_mpu401_uart |
| 19:10.41 | kelt | hmm |
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| 19:11.10 | streuner | Kraig: just install an official kernel-image, later you compile your own kernel |
| 19:11.47 | ComradeP | if it's any help - I have the kmix applet gadget; on the first boot when sound didn't work, it was replaced by a button saying "select which mixer to use", giving the option of 2 identical devices, and neither seems to do anything |
| 19:11.58 | ComradeP | can't for the life of me remember changing anything related to that though ;) |
| 19:12.32 | kelt | ComradeP, you got a soundblaster? |
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| 19:12.46 | ComradeP | don't think so |
| 19:12.49 | ComradeP | sigmatel audio 97 |
| 19:12.57 | ComradeP | used to work with this driver tho |
| 19:13.03 | kelt | oh.. haha, is that onboard card? |
| 19:13.07 | ComradeP | yer |
| 19:13.09 | ComradeP | laptop here :) |
| 19:13.13 | kelt | heh, i got the same problem ;) |
| 19:13.16 | ComradeP | lol :) |
| 19:13.18 | ComradeP | awesome |
| 19:13.24 | fastballs | damn my box (the new hd) was making lots of clicking and clunking sounds while formatting :( |
| 19:13.28 | ComradeP | annoying thing is that it *did* work |
| 19:13.29 | kelt | haha... well not awesome.. cuz i haven't fixed it |
| 19:13.30 | tasio | are you using oss or alsa? |
| 19:13.33 | ComradeP | alsa |
| 19:13.40 | ComradeP | lol, me neither |
| 19:13.41 | kelt | yeah, mine worked ComradeP, in 2.4 |
| 19:13.42 | tasio | alsa w/ oss emulation ? |
| 19:13.43 | ComradeP | obviously :) |
| 19:13.53 | ComradeP | yep... had 2.4 and it worked, and it worked briefly in 2.6.0 |
| 19:13.58 | ComradeP | what hardware is yours? |
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| 19:15.06 | tasio | and doesn't work with alone oss, without alsa ? |
| 19:15.38 | ComradeP | haven't really tried... accordin to howtos for my laptop model, ALSA with snd_intel8x0 |
| 19:15.44 | ComradeP | is the way to go |
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| 19:17.42 | ComradeP | weird... should aplay -l list two devices rather than one?? |
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| 19:18.25 | isam | do I need to install the package kernel-headers to build a kernel module or the kernel sources will do ? |
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| 19:18.54 | WannaBe | can someone tell me how can i start the sshd ? |
| 19:19.08 | kiall | type /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 19:19.09 | on1aad | look in /etc/init.d directory ? |
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| 19:19.13 | nicooo_aw | hello |
| 19:19.36 | nicooo_aw | what's the difference between cd 1 of debian with NONUS and the other without NONUS ? |
| 19:19.57 | WannaBe | it's there , but when i say /etc/init.d/ssh start it gives an error |
| 19:20.03 | on1aad | nicooo_aw> crypto related stuff ? |
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| 19:20.22 | kiall | WannaBe, well then the error might help us... |
| 19:20.31 | nicooo_aw | <on1aad>I don't no ... |
| 19:20.36 | nicooo_aw | I ask you for |
| 19:20.44 | sandman | I'm currently running X, and it appears that X doesn't send the appropriate strnig to irssi when I press alt+[1-9].. anyone know how to fix? |
| 19:20.46 | on1aad | well, are you in us or not ? %-) |
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| 19:21.04 | ComradeP | sandman: saw something like that in irssi's docs just a few minutes ago, check |
| 19:21.10 | ComradeP | or it's webpage |
| 19:21.12 | ComradeP | one of the two |
| 19:21.18 | nicooo_aw | on1aad>My bad english should help you to know that :p |
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| 19:21.31 | on1aad | nicoo_aw> if yes, then you might not import/export crypto stuff |
| 19:21.36 | kiall | nicooo_aw, NONUS means Non US (United States) |
| 19:21.39 | rich_ | thanks everyone bbl |
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| 19:22.07 | WannaBe | oh, sorry , i'm stupid , the service is started but i typed the wrong ip adress ... |
| 19:22.16 | nicooo_aw | ok so I will download the NON US version if it's the same "quality" |
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| 19:22.31 | ComradeP | lol @ wannabe :) |
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| 19:23.50 | WannaBe | k, 10x i managed to solve that; one more question thou: how can i make a service start at boottime or stop one from starting at boottime? |
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| 19:24.12 | yOuCanKillACat | WannaBe: /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:24.17 | WannaBe | :> |
| 19:24.23 | h36sa | is there any linux software to low-level format a drive? |
| 19:24.28 | on1aad | nicooo_aw> it is about pgp & ssh so i read in README.non-us download the NON US version if it's the same "quality" |
| 19:25.07 | nicooo_aw | <on1aad>oh ok I don't use them so it's ok |
| 19:25.16 | on1aad | nicooo_aw> United States laws place restrictions on the export of certain defense |
| 19:25.16 | on1aad | articles, which, unfortunately, includes some types of cryptographic software. |
| 19:25.16 | on1aad | PGP and SSH, among others, fall into this category. It is legal however, to |
| 19:25.16 | on1aad | import such software into the US. |
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| 19:25.56 | sandman | Starting hotplug subsystem: input pci** can't synthesize pci hotplug events |
| 19:25.57 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:26.04 | sandman | How to fix? |
| 19:26.11 | on1aad | nicooo_aw> you can import crypto into the US but might not export it from US |
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| 19:26.25 | nicooo_aw | <on1aad>oki oki :) |
| 19:26.48 | simonrvn | is it stupid day today? *sigh* |
| 19:27.15 | simonrvn | see necrosan ^^ |
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| 19:31.15 | Croepha | the php3 package is the mod_php packageright? |
| 19:31.19 | Croepha | the php3 package is the mod_php package right? |
| 19:31.56 | simonrvn | @tell Croepha about search |
| 19:34.24 | djw | why are man pages in sid often b0rked? |
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| 19:35.00 | razor85 | hi, i got two ethernet cards, at the kernel startup it found the both in eth0, how i set one to eth1 and one for eth0 the both are realtek 8129 and another sis 900 |
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| 19:35.11 | h36sa | guy logged in as root connects to irc with the nickname NeedHelp.. yep |
| 19:35.23 | greycat | razor85: your assumptions are incorrect. eth0 is one card, eth1 would be another. |
| 19:35.33 | tarzeau | djw: they are? |
| 19:35.37 | razor85 | greycat there is no eth1 |
| 19:35.43 | greycat | razor85: try "modprobe sis900" then |
| 19:35.46 | razor85 | when i say ifconfig eth1 it doenst work |
| 19:36.03 | razor85 | greycat sis900 is working, cause my internet cable modem is plugged on it |
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| 19:36.08 | on1aad | razor85 ifconfig -a and lsmod | grep sis900 |
| 19:36.11 | greycat | razor85: then modprobe ne2k-pci |
| 19:36.13 | as13 | how to make exim to store all mail from uucp to a specific mailbox? |
| 19:36.18 | rnc | anyone around who managed to serve an asf stream from a tv card with ffserver/ffmpeg ? |
| 19:36.28 | greycat | or is the 8129 served by the 8139too driver? I forget. |
| 19:36.31 | djw | tarzeau: yes, usually if the various switches that are not visable, replaced with †|
| 19:36.42 | greycat | razor85: if ne2k-pci fails, try 8139too |
| 19:36.47 | Justin_ | !tell rnc about polls |
| 19:37.11 | tarzeau | djw: can you name such a broken pacakge, so i can look at it and see how it looks? |
| 19:37.25 | razor85 | greycat ok let me test |
| 19:37.52 | djw | tarzeau: there's load, this one I'm looking at now is vorbis-tools, man oggenc |
| 19:38.18 | tarzeau | djw: the manpage looks fine to me, can you tell me what line is bad? |
| 19:38.21 | greycat | oggenc will use however much CPU it can get, if it's encoding files as opposed to realtime audio streams |
| 19:38.34 | djw | tarzeau: 34 |
| 19:38.48 | tarzeau | djw: -h, --help |
| 19:38.54 | tarzeau | djw: i don't see what's wrong with it |
| 19:38.58 | djw | tarzeau: I'll take a screen shot for you |
| 19:39.18 | razor85 | the module the another card is using is 8390 |
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| 19:39.52 | razor85 | greycat and still ifconfig as just eth0 and lo |
| 19:39.54 | PDani | in gnome terminal, when i type / on the numpad, i get an 'o' character instead of '/' character. and when i type f1, the gnome terminal help appears instead of the reaction of the running application in the terminal |
| 19:39.56 | kawfee | tarzeau: yo! |
| 19:40.02 | greycat | razor85: ifconfig -a, not ifconfig |
| 19:40.04 | tarzeau | kawfee: yo! |
| 19:40.11 | kawfee | tarzeau: I'm stuck at a seg fault with make |
| 19:40.20 | PDani | any idea? |
| 19:40.23 | razor85 | greycat i did |
| 19:40.24 | greycat | PDani: tried pressing numlock? |
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| 19:40.32 | PDani | greycat: yes. |
| 19:40.34 | greycat | razor85: did "modprobe 8139too" giev errors? |
| 19:40.37 | tarzeau | kawfee: which file/line? can you put it online http:// ? |
| 19:40.45 | bersace | hello |
| 19:40.50 | bersace | everybody |
| 19:40.53 | bersace | :) |
| 19:40.58 | razor85 | greycat yes, so ne2k-pci too, so i used 8390 and worked |
| 19:41.03 | PDani | greycat: i forgot to tell, that this /-thing is only in mc, and mcedit |
| 19:41.05 | kawfee | tarzeau: see if you can build the lib for me? /kops/src/kops-bot/reactive-agent and do make |
| 19:41.17 | djw | tarzeau: http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~djw/stuff/man-oggenc.png |
| 19:41.18 | asg | simonrvn: t'was very tasty :) |
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| 19:41.51 | greycat | djw: what locale are you using, and what terminal emulator, and what is $TERM set to? |
| 19:42.25 | tarzeau | djw: echo $LANG ? |
| 19:42.31 | greycat | or use the 'locale' command |
| 19:42.32 | djw | greycat: TERM=xterm, and how can I check teh locale? |
| 19:42.44 | djw | LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 19:42.47 | tarzeau | djw: how did you make the color amber like that? |
| 19:43.06 | greycat | yeah, we're still missing the "what terminal emulator" info |
| 19:43.18 | bersace | i try to compile à kernel 2.6 on a acer laptop which use a lot of SiS chipset and have a nvidia graphic card (beuaaark : this is not my laptop). which modules do i have to compile ? i don't reach to have other result than a blank screen ( an actually black out ! ) |
| 19:43.20 | bersace | thx |
| 19:43.31 | tarzeau | djw: xterm, aterm, rxvt, Terminal.app? |
| 19:43.39 | djw | tarzeau: xterm |
| 19:43.48 | asg | tarzeau: xterm can do that |
| 19:43.51 | tarzeau | djw: how did you configure the amber color, i wouldl ike to have that too |
| 19:43.52 | caphuso | djw: try uxterm |
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| 19:44.04 | bersace | hello peterS |
| 19:44.05 | asg | tarzeau: -fg |
| 19:44.17 | kiall | heya, whats the deb package name(s) for some IMAP servers? preferably stand alone ones that can be used with any MTA/POP Server? |
| 19:44.25 | tarzeau | asg: and what exactly is the colorname? |
| 19:44.33 | asg | tarzeau: orange |
| 19:44.42 | djw | caphuso: it looks good in uxterm :) |
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| 19:44.49 | tarzeau | asg: true, thanks alot! |
| 19:44.56 | djw | how can I fix it so it works in xterm? |
| 19:45.02 | asg | tarzeau: you're welcome (welcome to amber monochrome fun :) |
| 19:45.03 | greycat | kiall: depends on where your mailboxes are. there's uw-imap, courier-imap, etc. |
| 19:45.08 | _francois | bersace: I think there is a patch for the nvidia kernel module, you can found it with google |
| 19:45.17 | caphuso | djw: less $(which uxterm) |
| 19:45.36 | tarzeau | asg: i've got such a terminal still, it's beautiful, i'm sick of that 42,42,42(vga 0-63) gray |
| 19:45.37 | greycat | djw: there's something wrong with your xterm config, I suspect. Check your app-defaults (X resources). |
| 19:45.38 | caphuso | the -u8 thing seems to be the important thing |
| 19:45.43 | asg | tarzeau: :) |
| 19:45.51 | kawfee | tarzeau: HELLO?! |
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| 19:46.09 | tarzeau | kawfee: yes no where is it? did you make changes to it? i haven't started working on the source at all |
| 19:46.14 | caphuso | greycat: his problem is that he didn't tell xterm to use utf8 |
| 19:46.16 | djw | tarzeau: to make my terminals orange I have in .xsession file xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults and in the .Xdefaults file I have XTerm*background: black\nXTerm*foreground: orange |
| 19:46.34 | djw | \n being a newline |
| 19:46.34 | kawfee | tarzeau: That's the lib there. Just check if you can compile the libkopsbot.a |
| 19:46.34 | nyetzsche | is there a command line command one can give to suspend a laptop? |
| 19:46.37 | kiall | thanks greycat |
| 19:46.53 | nyetzsche | currently I use the keyboard combo on it |
| 19:47.00 | asg | nyetzsche: apm --suspend (or apm -s) |
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| 19:47.02 | tarzeau | kawfee: ok let me try it, one moment |
| 19:47.09 | pabl0 | I'm lookign for a backup tool, where I can tell it which files, directories and databases I want to backup in a zip/gz file |
| 19:47.14 | asg | nyetzsche: provided you have apm kernel support, of course. |
| 19:47.17 | Croepha | is there a tool that will set up my apache file automatically? |
| 19:47.19 | pabl0 | somebody knows of one? |
| 19:47.20 | greycat | pabl0: tar |
| 19:47.26 | kawfee | tarzeau: k. If it doesn't compile then there is a problem with the setup/src |
| 19:47.34 | pabl0 | I know.. but for a cronable util |
| 19:47.39 | greycat | pabl0: tar |
| 19:47.42 | pabl0 | m.. |
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| 19:47.46 | pabl0 | thanks 'greycat' |
| 19:47.50 | tarzeau | pabl0: ibackup |
| 19:47.55 | pabl0 | thanks tarzeau :) |
| 19:48.03 | tarzeau | pabl0: www.linuks.mine.nu/ibackup/ or install it if you have testing/sid with apt-get install ibackup |
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| 19:48.13 | kawfee | tarzeau: HEY! Get to work! |
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| 19:48.25 | tarzeau | pabl0: it even comes with a neat tool calles sysconf , try sysconf > mymachine.html ; galeon mymachine.html |
| 19:48.28 | tarzeau | kawfee: yes yes |
| 19:48.39 | greycat | tarzeau: galeon?!? *barf* |
| 19:48.39 | Active2 | kawfee: work ? to bed you mean :) |
| 19:48.41 | kawfee | tarzeau: I don't have all day, chop to it! |
| 19:48.44 | tarzeau | greycat: what do you use? |
| 19:48.48 | pabl0 | ohh, ghanks tarzeau! |
| 19:48.54 | greycat | tarzeau: mozilla, lynx and links depending. |
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| 19:49.05 | tarzeau | greycat: mozilla renders uglier than galeon (here) |
| 19:49.06 | greycat | tarzeau: oh, and firebird, but that's really mozilla |
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| 19:49.15 | nyetzsche | asg: cool, thx |
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| 19:49.29 | asg | nyetzsche: you're welcome |
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| 19:49.56 | zeke | just ran into an error i don't understand with aptitude |
| 19:50.01 | zeke | grep: /proc/devices: No such file or directory |
| 19:50.01 | zeke | depmod: Can't open /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-386/modules.dep for writing |
| 19:50.04 | nyetzsche | on a related note, does anyone know if "ssh" has any special commands like telnet's Ctrl-]? |
| 19:50.07 | zeke | any ideas what that means? |
| 19:50.18 | greycat | nyetzsche: <Enter><~><.> will kill it.... |
| 19:50.30 | asg | nyetzsche: man ssh (search for escape) |
| 19:50.38 | bersace | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:50.48 | nyetzsche | asg: ah... forgot about that one.. that works it telnet too, no? |
| 19:50.56 | asg | nyetzsche: nafaik |
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| 19:51.19 | nyetzsche | asg: I've seen it before, prior to ssh, I thought |
| 19:51.38 | asg | nyetzsche: CTRL+] for telnet, ssh's default escape is different (and has some extra features.) |
| 19:51.40 | nyetzsche | asg: cool (just looked at the man page under the Escape codes... holy cow, didn't know about all these others) |
| 19:51.44 | tarzeau | kawfee: downloading it |
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| 19:52.01 | tarzeau | kawfee: what to do when unpacked? |
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| 19:52.16 | kawfee | tarzeau: see if you can build the lib for me? /kops/src/kops-bot/reactive-agent and do make |
| 19:52.19 | h36sa | are there any programs that let me see current disk I/O speed? |
| 19:52.21 | nyetzsche | heh... even ~? |
| 19:52.37 | tarzeau | kawfee: ok wait |
| 19:52.40 | wasabi | Hey im having a weird problem with one of my servers and I can't figure out a way to diagnos it. What happened is all services stopped responding. Could not even log in at the console. Hit root, and the password, and in 60 seconds it says login timed out |
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| 19:52.50 | kawfee | tarzeau: I get this: ./kb-parser *.kb |
| 19:52.51 | wasabi | what could be the cause? the best I can guess is some sorta IO problem |
| 19:52.51 | kawfee | make: *** [kb-init.h] Segmentation fault |
| 19:52.54 | greycat | wasabi: is the hard drive light on? |
| 19:53.01 | tarzeau | kawfee: no it barfs... but no segfault here |
| 19:53.04 | wasabi | The HD's were "working", on and off. |
| 19:53.10 | tarzeau | kawfee: kb-init.c:217: error: conflicting types for `variables_WIMPY' |
| 19:53.10 | wasabi | There are sporadic activity, normal stuff. |
| 19:53.11 | kawfee | hrm |
| 19:53.15 | greycat | wasabi: I'd say the machine is dying under *intense* CPU/disk load |
| 19:53.17 | nyetzsche | asg: now, is there a command line command to bring a laptop OUT of a suspend? (just kidding :)))) |
| 19:53.20 | kawfee | you just did "make" ? |
| 19:53.26 | asg | nyetzsche: just open the lid |
| 19:53.31 | wasabi | That's what I think, but without being able to log on, there is no way to tell |
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| 19:53.35 | kawfee | tarzeau: I could probably fix that. I need it to make though |
| 19:53.37 | greycat | wasabi: last time I saw that, it was on a poor little P-166 running *way* too many simultaneous spamassassin processes |
| 19:53.38 | wasabi | Is there some way I can reserve a bit of CPU for console? :) |
| 19:53.39 | kawfee | tarzeau: what version of make? |
| 19:53.47 | wasabi | Mine is a dual 900MHZ p3. |
| 19:53.49 | wasabi | =/ |
| 19:53.49 | knt | hi all, isn't there any work offline option for firebird? |
| 19:53.56 | wasabi | Without enough load to cause that unless a process is buggy |
| 19:53.58 | tarzeau | kawfee: ii make 3.80-4 The GNU version of the "make" utility. |
| 19:54.03 | nyetzsche | asg: I know, I was referring to a *command line* command I can give over ssh.... :) |
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| 19:54.12 | wasabi | greycat, we are running spam assassin on it.... =/ |
| 19:54.22 | asg | nyetzsche: if you have wake on lan support, you could try to telnet to it or ssh to it :) |
| 19:54.26 | wasabi | but without being able to get in, they'res no way to tell |
| 19:54.37 | tarzeau | knt: www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/tr/nilgun.txt |
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| 19:55.08 | nyetzsche | asg: damn, they thought of everything. :) |
| 19:55.14 | asg | nyetzsche: YMMV |
| 19:55.26 | nyetzsche | asg: is that a Linux kernel thing, or are you referring to a BIOS option? |
| 19:55.28 | greycat | wasabi: yeah, I had *exactly* the same problem you just described. I lowered the allowable number of simultaneous deliveries (since we're running spamc during qmail-local's deliveries) |
| 19:55.35 | asg | nyetzsche: bios |
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| 19:55.41 | wasabi | We're runing spamassassin inside of amavisd-new |
| 19:55.50 | tarzeau | kawfee: what's your email address i'll mail you the error message as cc and the upstream |
| 19:55.58 | wasabi | I shall check that out |
| 19:56.05 | kawfee | tarzeau: and gcc. |
| 19:56.05 | kawfee | tarzeau: make --version; gcc --version |
| 19:56.05 | nyetzsche | asg: I'll have to check it out... I only asked in jest, but now I'm seriously interested |
| 19:56.22 | asg | nyetzsche: some newer bioses support it. |
| 19:56.22 | wasabi | I really wanna reserve CPU in some way for emergencies |
| 19:56.26 | tarzeau | kawfee: make 3.80 GNU, gcc 3.3.3 20031206 (prerelease) (Debian) |
| 19:56.26 | nyetzsche | asg: I'm pathetic... the laptop is 2 meters away, but as a geek, I need a technical/lazy solution |
| 19:56.45 | conf | wasabi: nice/renice |
| 19:56.54 | knt | tarzeau: ? |
| 19:56.54 | wasabi | conf, when you can't log in, that's a bit hard. :) |
| 19:56.58 | asg | nyetzsche: me too, I still cat *.ogg files to my desktop (which has better speakers) |
| 19:57.02 | conf | yah but in the future.. |
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| 19:57.09 | tarzeau | knt: ben anlamiyorum, sen tercüman yapabilirmisin? |
| 19:57.24 | frederick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.24 | frederick | Starting nmap 3.48 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2004-01-17 19:55 GMT |
| 19:57.24 | frederick | sendto in send_ip_raw: sendto(4, packet, 28, 0, 192.168.0.0, 16) => Can't assign requested address |
| 19:57.27 | frederick | any ideas? |
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| 19:57.51 | frederick | anyone get that? |
| 19:57.57 | frederick | sorry about the flood... |
| 19:57.59 | wasabi | get what? :) |
| 19:57.59 | greycat | only 600 or so of us |
| 19:58.20 | frederick | any ideas what the problem is? fping works fine when doing the same thing.. |
| 19:58.43 | alexskan | hi all, any unofficial apt source for jre || jdk? |
| 19:58.53 | ComradeP | www.apt-get.org |
| 19:59.02 | wasabi | alexskan, use mpkg-j2sdk |
| 19:59.04 | kawfee | tarzeau: let me get the newer make. I may be able to fix the errors. |
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| 19:59.15 | asg | alexskan: download the sun one and stuff it in /usr/local |
| 19:59.27 | wasabi | There is a sun->deb maker |
| 19:59.33 | kawfee | tarzeau: wow, you are using all the new stuff. I have make 3.79.1 and gcc 2.95.4 |
| 19:59.37 | tarzeau | kawfee: i'm on powerpc, sid (haven't upgraded for a while) |
| 19:59.42 | kawfee | ahhh |
| 19:59.48 | alexskan | one question 3 different answes :) |
| 19:59.50 | tarzeau | kawfee: you might need to relink gcc to gcc-3.3 :) |
| 19:59.51 | alexskan | one question 3 different answers :) |
| 19:59.57 | wasabi | yup |
| 20:00.02 | wasabi | You have a lot of options available to you |
| 20:00.02 | tarzeau | alexskan: unofficial is really bad |
| 20:00.06 | kawfee | tarzeau: gcc 2.95 should be sufficient. |
| 20:00.11 | wasabi | Just extract sun's, or convert sun's to a .deb |
| 20:00.18 | wasabi | Which doesn't get you much. Except to know it's package managed |
| 20:00.18 | alexskan | tarzeau: it was ironic :) |
| 20:00.20 | frederick | whats the quickest way with nmap to find all assigned ip addressed? |
| 20:00.39 | frederick | nmap -sP 192.168.0.1-255? |
| 20:00.39 | greycat | frederick: what the hell does that mean? |
| 20:00.39 | tarzeau | frederick: all assigned ip addresses? |
| 20:00.39 | frederick | *addresses |
| 20:00.42 | tarzeau | greycat: yeah :) |
| 20:00.44 | greycat | oh, you want to scan an IP range on your LAN? Read the man page. |
| 20:00.44 | frederick | typo.. |
| 20:00.49 | tarzeau | frederick: www.ietf.org |
| 20:00.55 | frederick | im trying. it isnt bloody working. |
| 20:01.02 | asg | frederick: man man |
| 20:01.22 | kawfee | tarzeau: I just tried with gcc 3.0, same as before. |
| 20:01.24 | tarzeau | frederick: www.iana.org www.icann.org www.isc.org |
| 20:01.38 | frederick | yadda yadda yadda. |
| 20:01.41 | tarzeau | kawfee: upgraded your make too? |
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| 20:01.55 | frederick | ive read the nmap man page, and to be honest, it does not talk about efficiency. |
| 20:02.16 | asg | frederick: isn't working (in the sense of an error) or isn't working in the sense of you not understanding the output (if there is any) |
| 20:02.17 | tarzeau | frederick: say what you want |
| 20:02.21 | tarzeau | frederick: we say how you can do it |
| 20:02.24 | kawfee | tarzeau: maybe. I think I have the current version. Are you on unstable? |
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| 20:02.33 | tarzeau | kawfee: yes i'm on sid |
| 20:02.36 | frederick | granted i can get it to scan whatever ranges i want but i am getting too much information. |
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| 20:02.55 | tarzeau | kawfee: hey look |
| 20:03.00 | frederick | asg: isnt working for me. as in i am at this point ignorant to a certain syntax to get it to do what i want. |
| 20:03.08 | tarzeau | kawfee: http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/index.cgi/ |
| 20:03.12 | kawfee | tarzeau: that may be it then |
| 20:03.14 | tarzeau | kawfee: http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/index.cgi |
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| 20:03.43 | kawfee | tarzeau: ? |
| 20:04.07 | tarzeau | kawfee: it is debian! but not linux |
| 20:04.14 | ComradeP | Need some help with sound on Sid.. Using snd_intel8x0 compiled as a module for 2.6.1, the speakers remain mute on artsd/KDE3.1.4. Sound worked on 2.6.0 with this driver a few days ago, but then randomly stopped.. any suggestions appreciated |
| 20:04.35 | kawfee | ~mith tarzeau |
| 20:04.38 | asg | frederick: the command you listed (minus the '?') will ping scan the 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 net. Is this not what you want? |
| 20:04.38 | tarzeau | ComradeP: #kernelnewbies www.kernelnewbies.org |
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| 20:04.43 | kawfee | !mith tarzeau |
| 20:04.45 | on1aad | ComradeP> volume up ? |
| 20:04.51 | ComradeP | is all turned up |
| 20:04.55 | frederick | asg, i want to scan from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.255. |
| 20:05.02 | ComradeP | tarzeau: don't think it's a kernel compilation problem |
| 20:05.06 | on1aad | ComradeP> with alsamixer ? |
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| 20:05.17 | asg | frederick: scan for what? (or just determine which hosts respond to pings) ? |
| 20:05.17 | frederick | i dont care about hostname resolution, i just want active ip's. |
| 20:05.26 | frederick | asg yes which hosts respond. |
| 20:05.42 | asg | frederick: then that command will work. Unless nothing on your net responds to pings. |
| 20:05.53 | wasabi | man linux IO still sucks in 2.6 |
| 20:05.58 | wasabi | can't rip a CD and play a mp3 at the same time still. =( |
| 20:06.08 | tarzeau | frederick: try running a mac catcher, or iptraf, ping broadcast. |
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| 20:06.11 | as13 | how to make exim to store all mail from uucp to a specific mailbox? |
| 20:06.12 | tarzeau | frederick: same network, right? |
| 20:06.12 | ComradeP | on1aad: yese, with alsamixer |
| 20:06.14 | jp- | your machine must suck wasabi |
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| 20:06.18 | jp- | cause i do that all the time |
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| 20:06.19 | on1aad | ComradeP> www.backports.org holds a pre-compiled kernel 2.6.0 maybe you can try that. I *know* intel8x0 works with that. |
| 20:06.24 | frederick | but quickly. i dont want any sleeping or retries. for instance on one machine icmp is blocked. i want nmap to simply reveal that it is blocked and not retry. |
| 20:06.25 | jelque | I have a testing box running Drupal. It worked fine before, but now php isn't working and it asks me download the php file. Can someone point me in the right direction as to what happened? |
| 20:06.33 | wasabi | jp, amd 64 3200+, hd = raid 5, 4 sata drives |
| 20:06.34 | wasabi | =/ |
| 20:06.41 | wasabi | Same on all my other hardware too |
| 20:06.44 | on1aad | ComradeP> did you scroll all the way to the right ( it is wider then 80 characters ) |
| 20:06.45 | jp- | heh... well you've got some serious problems :) |
| 20:06.47 | tarzeau | how old is emacs? |
| 20:06.50 | asg | frederick: is icmp being dropped, or rejected on that box? |
| 20:06.59 | tempo | does anyone know how to define a crontab job on cgywin? |
| 20:07.00 | ComradeP | on1aad: thanks, I might do that.. but I had it working in 2.6.0 until it randomly stopped, don't for the life of me know what I did |
| 20:07.02 | kawfee | tarzeau: older than you |
| 20:07.02 | frederick | rejected (ipfw) |
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| 20:07.07 | frederick | asg |
| 20:07.08 | ComradeP | on1aad: yes, i saw the entire message |
| 20:07.18 | Smerdyakov | Has anyone ever gotten SMTP auth working in exim for clients whose IP addresses don't reverse resolve? |
| 20:07.19 | tarzeau | kawfee: is it impressing women when i say i'm learning an editor older than i? |
| 20:07.20 | jp- | cause my p4 1.8 with a 2.4 kernel at school rips/burns/plays music simultanious all day :) |
| 20:07.21 | wasabi | well i don't like serious problems. =/ |
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| 20:07.35 | tarzeau | kawfee: wait, you don't know how old i ma |
| 20:07.53 | asg | frederick: then imap should report that and continue. |
| 20:07.58 | jp- | i'm on my laptop now, i even load it this little p.o.s. down without much problems on it |
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| 20:08.06 | kawfee | tarzeau: I know. I think emacs was written back in the 80's or 90's ? I'm guessing. |
| 20:08.10 | jp- | just upgraded it to 2.6 yesterday |
| 20:08.12 | asg | tarzeau: I constantly wear a jacket that is 3 years older than I |
| 20:08.20 | wasabi | hmmmm |
| 20:08.22 | tarzeau | asg: photo? |
| 20:08.25 | wasabi | well wtf could be going on then |
| 20:08.35 | Justin_ | frederick: i take it reading the nmap manpage is really out of the question? |
| 20:08.36 | frederick | asg. it sleeps and then retries. i dont want it to do that. |
| 20:08.44 | jp- | wasabi, did you enable to preempt option in 2.6? |
| 20:08.47 | asg | tarzeau: no, no camera. It is my dad's from when he was younger :) |
| 20:08.51 | wasabi | yeah |
| 20:09.07 | frederick | Justin_: ive read it countless times. it does not have enough information for this. |
| 20:09.11 | tarzeau | asg: did you teach your jacket some tricks? |
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| 20:09.19 | Justin_ | frederick: oh, so now you are going to lie about reading the man page |
| 20:09.42 | frederick | Justin_: dont be a troll. ive read it. it does not specify how to ignore on error. |
| 20:10.00 | asg | tarzeau: heh :) |
| 20:10.13 | Justin_ | try actually reading it, rather than claiming to |
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| 20:11.13 | Justin_ | funny how I've only read the man page, and I know how to do exactly what you are claiming the man page doesn't have |
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| 20:11.17 | asg | tarzeau: besides, it is too old for tricks. I just flops over when you do anything but wear it. |
| 20:11.28 | frederick | Justin_: dont make me open this.. |
| 20:11.29 | Kasreyn | how do i compile with g++-2.95 when am using unstable ? |
| 20:11.37 | caphuso | Kasreyn: depends on what you want to compile |
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| 20:11.53 | Kasreyn | caphuso: i have a Makefile i can edit |
| 20:12.06 | asg | s/I just/It just/ |
| 20:12.11 | tarzeau | apt sid faq |
| 20:12.14 | | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 20:12.14 | Kasreyn | but it just say CPP = cpp |
| 20:12.19 | caphuso | Kasreyn: check if this Makefile uses $CC, if yes, set it, if not, edit it |
| 20:12.23 | r00t__ | 22:14 < amphi> ? |
| 20:12.32 | tarzeau | apt tell r00t__ about repeat |
| 20:12.45 | r00t__ | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 20:12.48 | r00t__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.29 | r00t__ | im running unstable |
| 20:13.29 | greycat | ~sid faq |
| 20:13.31 | | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 20:13.31 | r00t__ | why wont this work? |
| 20:13.31 | greycat | ~faq |
| 20:13.33 | | hmm... faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/, or asking smart questions at http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 20:13.33 | r00t__ | greycat: please |
| 20:13.33 | r00t__ | just please |
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| 20:13.33 | greycat | !faq |
| 20:13.33 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 20:13.33 | Justin_ | grrr I thought I ignored r00t__ |
| 20:13.35 | holycow | holy fuck |
| 20:13.35 | someotherguy | im not in the mood |
| 20:13.35 | asg | Justin_: just keeps creeping in like a bad skin rash |
| 20:13.41 | someotherguy | so |
| 20:13.41 | holycow | oracle is going connect mozilla with oracle db |
| 20:13.43 | holycow | wow |
| 20:13.51 | someotherguy | i have qt3-dev installed |
| 20:13.55 | h36sa | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/h36sa/qmail/vpopmail-5.3.30' |
| 20:13.55 | h36sa | gcc -g -O2 -Wall -o vchkpw vchkpw.o md5.o hmac_md5.o libvpopmail.a -L/usr/lib -lmysqlclient -lz -lnsl -lcrypt -lz -lm |
| 20:13.56 | h36sa | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 20:13.58 | g4rvald | holycow ;) |
| 20:14.00 | someotherguy | so what do i do to get this to compile |
| 20:14.00 | someotherguy | ? |
| 20:14.01 | h36sa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.04 | someotherguy | anyone |
| 20:14.22 | greycat | someotherguy: INSTALL THE MOTHER FUCKING DEV PACKAGE |
| 20:14.22 | holycow | g4rvald, amazing huh? |
| 20:14.26 | h36sa | I'm confused |
| 20:14.37 | djw | greycat: just what has happend to the bot in here? |
| 20:14.38 | h36sa | why doesn't apt handle libraries? |
| 20:14.40 | g4rvald | holycow: great for mozilla and the opensource world |
| 20:14.42 | h36sa | and ldconfig |
| 20:14.46 | greycat | djw: god only knows |
| 20:14.55 | greycat | djw: every time I come in, they're in a different state |
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| 20:15.11 | tarzeau | someotherguy: he meant MOTHER HUGGING, as there's people in here under 18 |
| 20:15.16 | djw | greycat: yeah, it's most annoying, we need a bot shake up |
| 20:15.18 | greycat | tarzeau: I meant what I said |
| 20:15.29 | holycow | g4rvald, yes i think this might be an example of true synergy as opposed to market speak |
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| 20:15.43 | holycow | mozilla would bake a terrific frontend for dbs |
| 20:15.49 | holycow | v v interesting |
| 20:15.54 | someotherguy | greycat: I DID INSTALL THE MOTHER FUCKING DEV PACKAGE! |
| 20:16.03 | g4rvald | holycow: i could bake a nice chocolate cake too |
| 20:16.08 | garyridgway | ban that rude boy. |
| 20:16.09 | holycow | :) very |
| 20:16.16 | garyridgway | filthy language. |
| 20:16.19 | someotherguy | greycat: LIBQT-DEV and LIBQT-HEADERS |
| 20:16.19 | holycow | i hope they give a little to the moz team as well |
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| 20:16.28 | holycow | they have done such an amazing job |
| 20:16.29 | g4rvald | holycow: lol |
| 20:16.33 | greycat | !info libqt-headers sid |
| 20:16.38 | greycat | 15:16 =dpkg> Package 'libqt-headers' does not exist. |
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| 20:16.47 | dippo | anyone ever gotten an "invalid operand: 0000" kernel panic when bootin the bf24 kernel on the install CD? |
| 20:16.49 | someotherguy | !info libqt-headers sid |
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| 20:16.50 | dippo | I am sorta screwed here |
| 20:16.55 | dippo | i need the compaq SCSI drivers in bf24, but it panics |
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| 20:17.00 | greycat | someotherguy: stop talking out of your ass and lying |
| 20:17.17 | g4rvald | hahaha... |
| 20:17.22 | tarzeau | youcankillacat: http://www.catenema.com/cat1.html |
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| 20:17.36 | someotherguy | greycat: want to see |
| 20:17.39 | someotherguy | watch: |
| 20:17.43 | asg | tarzeau: http://www.bzflag.org/screenshots/bzkitty.jpg |
| 20:18.09 | tarzeau | asg: that kitty looks like a mad kitty |
| 20:18.19 | asg | tarzeau: yes, very pissed. |
| 20:18.24 | greycat | most unhappy. |
| 20:18.30 | tarzeau | asg: if i had a kitty, i'd make it a ninja kitty! |
| 20:18.33 | holycow | hahahahaha :) |
| 20:18.42 | holycow | that final image is amazing |
| 20:18.42 | asg | tarzeau: helix in a bad mood |
| 20:18.42 | garyridgway | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.44 | h36sa | I'm getting this error while building vpopmail.. mysql-4.0.17 client and server are installed from source (4.0.16 was installed via apt before) -- /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmysqlclient |
| 20:18.48 | tarzeau | asg: why's that? |
| 20:18.55 | tarzeau | helix: what's up? |
| 20:19.01 | greycat | h36sa: apt-cache search -- lib mysql client -dev |
| 20:19.12 | asg | tarzeau: she's a super cat ;) |
| 20:19.34 | tarzeau | asg: do you know this one: www.linuks.mine.nu/cat-powered.gif ? |
| 20:19.55 | asg | tarzeau: hahahah, nice. |
| 20:19.55 | garyridgway | ok nmap -P0 -O 192.168.0.1-255 |
| 20:19.55 | garyridgway | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.17 | someotherguy | debian:/home/r00t/stuff/iue# apt-get install libqt3-dev |
| 20:20.17 | someotherguy | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 20:20.17 | someotherguy | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 20:20.17 | someotherguy | libqt3-dev is already the newest version. |
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| 20:20.31 | h36sa | greycat: thanks |
| 20:20.40 | tarzeau | asg: sweetes kitty i found www.linuks.mine.nu/katzesus.jpg |
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| 20:21.20 | asg | tarzeau: now that's a chubby sleeping kitty. |
| 20:21.23 | garyridgway | tarzeau: that looks like a drive by kitty shooting. |
| 20:21.37 | g4rvald | u all got cat fetishes today or what ? |
| 20:22.01 | greycat | I didn't do it. I swear. |
| 20:22.17 | g4rvald | deb dogg don like dat |
| 20:22.23 | dippo | can anyone suggest a way to boot up a debian install with a more recent kernel than 2.4.18? |
| 20:22.28 | greycat | !install |
| 20:22.28 | dpkg | from memory, install is http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or the official guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody - see the tips at http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 20:24.09 | dippo | um, provided I don't have a cd burner handy |
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| 20:25.27 | someotherguy | greycat what do i do |
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| 20:25.38 | someotherguy | libqt3-dev is already the newest version. |
| 20:25.38 | greycat | dpkg, rube goldberg install is <reply> "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 20:25.38 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 20:25.48 | greycat | someotherguy: fix the application, then |
| 20:25.55 | someotherguy | libqt3-headers is already the newest version. |
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| 20:26.19 | asg | someotherguy: bob2 once suggested libqt3-mt-dev; try that |
| 20:26.35 | asg | someotherguy: or ask the fine folks in #debian-kde |
| 20:26.43 | greycat | of course, he's too good to READ the errors his ./configure is spitting out, and/or config.log. But he's running FUCKING UNSTABLE. Bleh. |
| 20:26.49 | nomeata | Hi. What graphical WebDAV client exists in debian that one could suggest a newbie? |
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| 20:27.05 | youcankillacat | tarzeau: funny link, a bit pointless, though :) |
| 20:27.13 | h36sa | apt would be sick if it compiled from source :\ |
| 20:27.16 | | h36sa: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 20:27.22 | greycat | !source |
| 20:27.22 | dpkg | Use 'apt-setup' to add a deb-src line to your sources.list. Then 'apt-get build-dep foo' to fetch the build deps, then finally 'apt-get [-b] source foo' to retrieve the .orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz and the .dsc. The source is unpacked in `pwd` and the diff.gz is applied. -b compiles it for you; if you want to compile it yourself, use "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" from within the unpacked dir. Don't forget to install debhelper! |
| 20:27.32 | garyridgway | apt. help |
| 20:27.45 | garyridgway | is apt still a bot these days? |
| 20:27.51 | greycat | ~what are you |
| 20:27.53 | | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 20:27.59 | garyridgway | i remember a few years ago it was. |
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| 20:29.08 | matlads | ~blootbot |
| 20:29.10 | | i guess blootbot is is a SF project. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:29.28 | sandman | How to use noflushd with 2.6? Or perhaps get that kind of functionality out of 2.6 |
| 20:29.39 | greycat | apt, blootbot =~ s/is a SF/a SF/ |
| 20:29.39 | | OK, greycat |
| 20:29.51 | SpArTaK | hi, is anyone having problems with the kernel 2.6.1 megariad driver it doesn no load at all but the 2.6.0 megaraid driver works fine. Can someone please help!? |
| 20:30.06 | someotherguy | greycat: edit the configure file |
| 20:30.07 | someotherguy | ok |
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| 20:30.14 | asg | SpArTaK: #kernel or #kernelnewbies (oftc.net) |
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| 20:30.24 | someotherguy | i dont know nuthin bout config scripts tho |
| 20:30.59 | SpArTaK | asg: already posted there no answer :( |
| 20:31.04 | dangle | anyone uses a laptop here, i'm concerned if my pcmcia niccard would only work with the af_packet.o module (lsmod doesn't show it) ? |
| 20:31.29 | Penth | After a power crash I lost my ability to run X. I've fallen back to Woody and reinstalled everything related to the X server and client, but i'm still getting a bunch of garbage text characters instead of an X display and it completely locks out my consoles. xf86cfg does the same, but I can run X off install cd. Suggestions? |
| 20:31.46 | Justin_ | dangle: af_packet is NOT the driver for your nic |
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| 20:32.17 | dangle | Justin_: i'm not sure if its needed for it to work though |
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| 20:32.33 | Justin_ | dangle: whatever your problem is, if you even have one, it is not af_packet |
| 20:32.36 | someotherguy | ok tryin mt-dev |
| 20:33.28 | someotherguy | where are the qt headers and libraries installed? |
| 20:33.35 | greycat | someotherguy: dpkg -L pkgname | less |
| 20:33.50 | greycat | but you knew that before you started running UNSTABLE. |
| 20:34.04 | dangle | how can i tell what is using my module? |
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| 20:35.50 | someotherguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.51 | someotherguy | grrr |
| 20:35.57 | someotherguy | i have it installed |
| 20:36.25 | greycat | someotherguy: what did ./configure say when it failed to detect it? What does config.log say for that same period? |
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| 20:36.56 | DeltaEx | Hi @ all |
| 20:36.58 | someotherguy | r00t@debian:~/stuff/iue$ sh configure --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3/ --with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib/ |
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| 20:37.22 | someotherguy | greycat: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation! |
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| 20:37.36 | DeltaEx | brauch ich für die installatiion von debian 1 cd? |
| 20:37.43 | poli | Anyone using 2.6.1: is it just me or the kernel forgot how to do priorities? I can't copy a file without losing my mouse for some time... This never happened in 2.4... |
| 20:37.43 | asg | !+german |
| 20:37.43 | dpkg | german is probably #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 20:37.50 | someotherguy | #define HAVE_LIBPTHREAD 1 |
| 20:37.51 | g4rvald | DeltaEx: yeah the first cd is enough |
| 20:37.52 | someotherguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.53 | DeltaEx | Thank You |
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| 20:38.03 | someotherguy | configure: exit 1 |
| 20:38.10 | asg | poli: change the nice value in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
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| 20:38.23 | poli | asg text mode is bad also... |
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| 20:38.45 | asg | poli: then check in #kernel or #kernelnewbies (oftc.net) |
| 20:38.49 | poli | asg Stuff typed takes a lot of time to appear... |
| 20:39.33 | poli | asg thanks. |
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| 20:39.34 | g4rvald | iceCube "Gangsta Nation"....damn what a track !! bouncin.... |
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| 20:39.53 | someotherguy | why is qt such a freaking problem |
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| 20:40.01 | someotherguy | with any qt app it fuckes up |
| 20:40.10 | BlasteR^ | hi! anyone know if there is an easy way to undo "make module_install" (kernel compile?) like delete all files it spread all over my system |
| 20:40.10 | g4rvald | it isnt with gentoo ;) |
| 20:40.23 | greycat | someotherguy: because you refused to read config.log despite me telling you to do so 3 times? |
| 20:40.42 | g4rvald | BlasteR^: make mrproper in /usr/src/linux |
| 20:40.43 | someotherguy | libqt3c102-mt is already the newest version. |
| 20:40.47 | someotherguy | greycat |
| 20:40.51 | someotherguy | greycat i did |
| 20:40.53 | h36sa | where is the default apache root? |
| 20:40.57 | greycat | BlasteR^: they're not "spread all over" -- they're in /lib/modules/<version> |
| 20:41.01 | someotherguy | greycat ill /msg you the out put |
| 20:41.04 | greycat | h36sa: /var/www |
| 20:41.09 | greycat | someotherguy: NO! |
| 20:41.10 | g4rvald | BlasteR^: also you could delete /lib/modules/version |
| 20:41.16 | asg | someotherguy: #flood please |
| 20:41.19 | greycat | someotherguy: READ it yourself. I'm not going to read it FOR you. |
| 20:41.19 | h36sa | thanks |
| 20:41.28 | greycat | someotherguy: if you can't read a log file, you have NO business compiling shit on unstable. |
| 20:41.34 | g4rvald | hehe |
| 20:41.58 | dangle | anyone use a laptop here? |
| 20:42.07 | greycat | !tell dangle about polls |
| 20:42.21 | dangle | greycat; |
| 20:42.23 | g4rvald | dangle: sure |
| 20:42.41 | g4rvald | greycat: hahaha...polls ? |
| 20:42.42 | greycat | I've installed debian on more than a handful. I don't use any though. They're all other people's laptops. |
| 20:42.42 | dangle | greycat: true, but i get incorrect assumptions on what my problem is from non-laptop users.. |
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| 20:43.07 | greycat | dangle: then, when you ask your question, be sure to include "I'm on a XX laptop." |
| 20:43.31 | someotherguy | greycat: i read it |
| 20:43.33 | g4rvald | hey..thats a coincidence...i bought an XX laptop yesterday !! |
| 20:43.33 | someotherguy | greycat: it cant find things |
| 20:43.34 | someotherguy | greycat: did you get the logfile error |
| 20:43.35 | dangle | greycat: its a mere question if af_packet.o is really needed for a pcmcia nic card to use- generally.. |
| 20:43.36 | someotherguy | greycat: it cant find includes, i fed it the dir tho |
| 20:43.50 | greycat | someotherguy: I typed "/ignore someotherguy msg" and "/unquery someotherguy" as fast as I could. |
| 20:43.55 | g4rvald | lol |
| 20:44.02 | someotherguy | tPrivate<QString>::insert(QValueListIterator<QString>, QString const &)': |
| 20:44.02 | someotherguy | : undefined reference to `QString::QString(QString const &)' |
| 20:44.02 | someotherguy | /tmp/ccBfTH3b.o(.QValueListPrivate<QString>::gnu.linkonce.t.(QValueListPrivate<QString> const &)+0x21): In function `QValueListPrivate<QString |
| 20:44.05 | someotherguy | >::QValueListPrivate(QValueListPrivate<QString> const &)': |
| 20:44.08 | someotherguy | : undefined reference to `QString::shared_null' |
| 20:44.10 | someotherguy | /tmp/ccBfTH3b.o(.QValueListPrivate<QString>::gnu.linkonce.t.(QValueListPrivate<QString> const &)+0x2a): In function `QValueListPrivate<QString |
| 20:44.13 | someotherguy | >::QValueListPrivate(QValueListPrivate<QString> const &)': |
| 20:44.19 | g4rvald | oh man... |
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| 20:44.19 | someotherguy | : undefined reference to `QString::makeSharedNull(void)' |
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| 20:44.19 | petemc | idiot |
| 20:44.28 | asg | someotherguy: #flood exists for a reason |
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| 20:44.40 | Rawplayer | www.nomorepasting.com |
| 20:44.50 | Rawplayer | ! :) |
| 20:44.50 | dpkg | oh, so nice to see you smile! |
| 20:45.09 | g4rvald | !:( |
| 20:45.09 | dpkg | awwwww, whats the matter?? |
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| 20:45.46 | dangle | anyone familiar with the af_packet.o module? |
| 20:45.50 | troubled | anyone know how to make irssi NOT auto reconnect on a timeout? |
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| 20:46.12 | greycat | troubled: #irssi might |
| 20:46.15 | troubled | ty |
| 20:46.43 | g4rvald | dangle: u tried google ? seems to be well referenced there |
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| 20:48.07 | troubled | caphuso is stalking me in #irssi! |
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| 20:48.19 | troubled | caphuso: thats it, +b yourself! |
| 20:48.20 | dangle | g4rvald: i have my nic worked on 2.4.18, i've used the same config file to try against kernel 2.6 ..no success |
| 20:48.31 | xerophyte | can somebody help me with this post http://www.linuxnetworkcare.org/showthread.php?t=33 |
| 20:48.31 | greycat | then use 2.4.x. Sheesh. |
| 20:48.47 | g4rvald | dangle: is it pcmcia ? |
| 20:49.06 | dangle | g4rvald: y |
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| 20:49.34 | dangle | g4rvald: currently on 2.4, lsmod only display af_packet.o as being used with 2 things.. |
| 20:49.41 | g4rvald | dangle: have u installed the pcmcia-cs package ? |
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| 20:49.50 | dangle | g4rvald: y |
| 20:50.17 | g4rvald | well u may have to insert the correct module in the pcmcia config files... |
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| 20:51.03 | Justin_ | greycat: well, he sure managed to make an ass of himself again |
| 20:51.16 | g4rvald | dangle: take a look at pcmcia-cs.sf.net |
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| 20:51.32 | dangle | g4rvald: i'm not sure how my nic is beings used since i have 'M' in the config file for 2.4.18, yet, only af_packet.o only shows with lsmod |
| 20:51.38 | tarzeau | tempo: back |
| 20:51.57 | troubled | tempo: howdy |
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| 20:52.11 | g4rvald | dangle: so it runs with 2.4.x but not with 2.6 ? is that the problem? |
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| 20:52.30 | troubled | Erik2_: heya |
| 20:52.41 | Erik2_ | Hello |
| 20:52.49 | troubled | Erik2_: cgocable i see |
| 20:53.01 | troubled | Erik2_: customer or staff? |
| 20:53.16 | dangle | g4rvald: well, what about my previous curious question..:?? if you don't mind ;).. |
| 20:53.20 | Erik2_ | troubled: customer |
| 20:53.25 | jstevens | Any one on channel have an Idea why a newly installed Debian (Stable) print server would mess up printing multiple pages. issue is that it prints all pages over-themselves on the first page. |
| 20:53.29 | troubled | Erik2_: ahh, cool. odd dns thats all. same here |
| 20:53.33 | troubled | cgocable that is |
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| 20:53.38 | g4rvald | dangle: which is ? |
| 20:53.52 | Erik2_ | troubled: but staff for another company... |
| 20:54.13 | troubled | well, most people who work for someone would be considered staff ;) |
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| 20:54.28 | troubled | greycat: lots of help in #irssi :p, all alseep |
| 20:54.35 | dangle | g4rvald: what kernel config section part should contain other pcmcia info for my niccard...i meant my previous post as a question as to why it is.. |
| 20:54.37 | greycat | troubled: well then there's /help and /set |
| 20:54.47 | Erik2_ | I installed cups on my gateway and on my laptop (debian both). All work. Now, I would like to be able to print from another workstation... a windows xp workstation. I really need to install samba?? or there is a way to send directly to cups from windows? |
| 20:54.50 | troubled | greycat: i checked /set auto, but nothing relavent tehre |
| 20:55.06 | greycat | 15:54 server_reconnect_time = 120 |
| 20:55.07 | asg | Erik2_: you should be able to. XP supports IPP iirc |
| 20:55.09 | greycat | that wasn't relevant? |
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| 20:55.37 | Erik2_ | asg: ah ok... I didn't take a look to the XP workstation... |
| 20:55.42 | Erik2_ | I try... |
| 20:55.45 | dangle | g4rvald: confused? |
| 20:55.47 | pmfp | can you install Linux while in Windows somehow? I don't have a cd or floppy, just harddrive, win, and internet |
| 20:55.51 | pmfp | (VDSL, got it the other day!!) |
| 20:55.54 | pmfp | :) |
| 20:56.05 | g4rvald | dangle: AFAIK, you dont need the kernel config relevant to your nic if you use the pcmcia-cs pkg |
| 20:56.15 | dangle | g4rvald: ok |
| 20:56.28 | troubled | heh |
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| 20:56.32 | pmfp | Anybody know of such a dist? From there I'd be able to pull in debian |
| 20:56.40 | troubled | !+sex |
| 20:56.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, sex is updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or an editor |
| 20:56.40 | xsdg | greycat: rofl |
| 20:56.42 | g4rvald | dangle: however if you use the kernel config, then dont use pcmcia-cs |
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| 20:57.26 | xsdg | greycat: was getting about 600kB/s over WLAN... set up a static route over ethernet and I'm up to 9MB/s |
| 20:57.26 | g4rvald | dangle: a pcmcia nic on linux aint an easy thing...many people have trouble and it always takes time. |
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| 20:57.56 | dangle | g4rvald:i still don't see where my damm nic is being used other than af_packet.o has something to do with it..it says its beings used(lsmod) |
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| 20:58.04 | sonhouse | oh this is another channel |
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| 20:58.22 | greycat | there are other channels?!? |
| 20:58.24 | xsdg | rofl |
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| 20:58.27 | sonhouse | hehe |
| 20:58.35 | Justin_ | dangle: you really shouldn't be messing with 2.6 |
| 20:58.43 | asg | greycat: I prefer woman(6) |
| 20:58.56 | g4rvald | Justin_: why not ? learning is a great thing |
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| 20:59.07 | Justin_ | g4rvald: whining that it doesn't work is not learning |
| 20:59.12 | dangle | Justin_: i never mess..it works perfect except for the nic .. |
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| 20:59.21 | g4rvald | Justin_: nah man, asking != whining |
| 20:59.31 | eltoro | does the sarge netinst CD come with cc or gcc or make utilities? |
| 20:59.35 | Justin_ | asking != learning, either |
| 20:59.42 | g4rvald | hehe ;) |
| 20:59.44 | Justin_ | reading all the nice stuff on 2.6 would be learning |
| 20:59.45 | xsdg | asg: I got the man woman shirt from thinkgeek... should arrive in a few days :o) |
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| 20:59.51 | nicolas | Question? I'm trying to boot from a debian .iso cd I downloaded |
| 21:00.02 | asg | xsdg: :) |
| 21:00.05 | nicolas | it wont boot from the cd no mater what I do ? |
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| 21:00.16 | dangle | Justin_: reading all the stuff is impossible to remember- > != learning ;p |
| 21:00.18 | h4mm3r` | re |
| 21:00.23 | xsdg | nicolas: have you been able to boot from other CDs? |
| 21:00.23 | nicolas | what needs to be done to make it boot from cd |
| 21:00.24 | pmfp | you can learn the answer for your question |
| 21:00.24 | Justin_ | nicolas: did your burn it correctly? |
| 21:00.27 | nicolas | yes |
| 21:00.30 | streuner | nicolas: what's the name of the iso? |
| 21:00.37 | nicolas | I configed BIOS etc. |
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| 21:01.23 | nicolas | 30r1-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 21:01.41 | BlasteR^ | hey, is the ftp.se.debian.org down for you guys? i'm trying to APT-GET from it but it's not working |
| 21:02.09 | streuner | nicolas: what computer do you have? |
| 21:02.12 | asg | BlasteR^: if it is, use another mirror |
| 21:02.21 | nicolas | dell pentium 2 |
| 21:02.22 | g4rvald | dangle: what nic you got ? |
| 21:02.33 | streuner | nicolas: SCSI? |
| 21:02.45 | nicolas | knoppix works fine |
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| 21:03.14 | eltoro | ok, I have installed a Debian netinst ISO, but it does not appear to have gcc, make, or any utilities so I can't compile the driver I need for the NIC... do I need to get a full 650MB debian CD instead? |
| 21:03.19 | nicolas | I think so, you mean the cd rom conection to the pc? |
| 21:03.25 | streuner | nicolas: so see what Justin_ told you |
| 21:03.30 | Smerdyakov | Has anyone ever gotten exim to authenticate Courier IMAP userdbshadow.dat passwords? |
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| 21:04.08 | nicolas | well I think how is the correct way? |
| 21:04.20 | nicolas | I burned from an apple power book g4? |
| 21:04.35 | Justin_ | nicolas: how? |
| 21:04.40 | nicolas | using the basic finder burn |
| 21:04.41 | streuner | nicolas: see linuxiso.org, there is a short FAQ how to burn CD's |
| 21:04.48 | Justin_ | nicolas: how |
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| 21:05.31 | Echizen | what are these modes for? +F +P ? i havent seen those before |
| 21:05.32 | Penth | Use Disk Copy. Finder burn is not a redrock cd |
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| 21:05.50 | paw | óóóóóhello |
| 21:05.51 | Penth | control-click the .iso file |
| 21:06.12 | nicolas | ? |
| 21:06.27 | Erik2_ | asg: cool... that's work. But... ipp:// don't work. I must use this syntax: http://server:631/... |
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| 21:06.54 | nicolas | duplicate? |
| 21:07.10 | greycat | eltoro: you either need the full CD #1, or you need a netinst image that supports your networking device |
| 21:07.15 | asg | Erik2_: hmmm, I don't know what syntax XP needs to use. You could check the cups docs for more information. |
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| 21:07.28 | protoloco | how do i gzip a file ??? |
| 21:07.31 | greycat | protoloco: man gzip |
| 21:07.32 | asg | protoloco: gzip |
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| 21:08.16 | greycat | that has to be one of the dumbest questions we've seen here in a while |
| 21:08.28 | greycat | that's up there with "what's the number for 911?" |
| 21:08.29 | protoloco | just is a line |
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| 21:08.35 | protoloco | i dont have to read all the man |
| 21:08.39 | protoloco | i just forget it |
| 21:08.40 | Penth | control-click > Open With... > Disk Copy |
| 21:08.44 | asg | greycat: oh boy |
| 21:08.56 | Echizen | someone thinks he is special |
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| 21:09.51 | felipe | Hola |
| 21:09.52 | felipe | ! |
| 21:09.54 | felipe | hi |
| 21:10.10 | g4rvald | protoloco: u serious ? |
| 21:10.19 | felipe | adios :( |
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| 21:10.43 | dangle | thx for the help, gotta go |
| 21:11.03 | g4rvald | protoloco: tbz2 or tgz |
| 21:11.16 | g4rvald | ;) |
| 21:11.27 | greycat | g4rvald: he didn't say he wanted to tar up a bunch of files *and* gzip 'em |
| 21:11.35 | greycat | g4rvald: he said "a file" |
| 21:11.48 | eltoro | greycat: looks like i'll need to get the full CD..... netinst is not supporting ny a7n8x deluxe :( |
| 21:11.51 | eltoro | thanks for the help |
| 21:11.55 | youcankillacat | protoloco: right-click on it and choose "gzip" ;) |
| 21:11.56 | g4rvald | greycat: sorry, i over-estimated him, sorry |
| 21:12.01 | g4rvald | sorry !!! |
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| 21:16.23 | sirReal | hey, i've got 2.6.1 up and running, but i've got no sound. i enabled alsa and cs46xx (i have a TB santa cruz), and i see the card in /proc/asound as the only one, but i don't get any sound via 'cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp' or via aRts. does anyone see what i might be missing? |
| 21:16.45 | greycat | sirReal: aumix |
| 21:16.59 | sirReal | greycat: nope, been there |
| 21:17.17 | greycat | sirReal: does cat ... >/dev/dsp give errors, or what? |
| 21:17.29 | greycat | (and did you enable the OSS compatibility module?) |
| 21:17.42 | sirReal | greycat: not in syslog or sterr |
| 21:17.55 | sirReal | oss compat api emulation is in |
| 21:18.05 | greycat | ALSA is a bitch (from my very brief 2.6.0-test* experience) |
| 21:18.34 | sirReal | it does everything but sound :\ |
| 21:19.04 | greycat | even when I finally did get ALSA to produce sound, it couldn't play continuously for more than a couple minutes without stammering |
| 21:19.21 | XpTerminator | bye |
| 21:19.25 | sirReal | so i guess you're the wrong one to ask ;P |
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| 21:19.34 | asg | greycat: that's because you compiled the beatbox module in |
| 21:19.58 | youcankillacat | sirReal: i don't think this is the problem but i guess you should better use /dev/urandom if you want to hear sound |
| 21:19.59 | greycat | asg: but... but... I don't have a scratch-wheel on my mouse |
| 21:20.12 | asg | greycat: now that would be a cool hack |
| 21:20.18 | sirReal | youcankillacat: yeah, same result |
| 21:21.07 | zamolxes | youcankillacat, cat /dev/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp :) |
| 21:21.08 | Active2 | hmm my 3th downgrade... people who think stable and unstable are the same |
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| 21:21.37 | youcankillacat | zamolxes: why not the other way round? ;) |
| 21:21.43 | asg | Active2: are morons who didn't read greycat's faq |
| 21:21.44 | sirReal | asg: you could probably do it with a bash script |
| 21:21.55 | Active2 | asg: i think os |
| 21:21.56 | Active2 | so |
| 21:22.07 | asg | sirReal: a csh script maybe |
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| 21:24.03 | chance2105 | Is there a utility to convert PDFs to FAX files (say, for efax)? |
| 21:24.07 | dippo | anyone here ever built a custom rescue.bin before? |
| 21:24.38 | chr_xchat | Hello, I have installed xchat on Sid, dpkg says it's xchat v.2.0.5-3 but a CTCP version says it's 2.0.0-pre1 |
| 21:24.42 | greycat | dippo: did I already warn you about polls? |
| 21:24.43 | petemc | dippo: yeah |
| 21:24.44 | asg | chance2105: apt-cache search pdf 2 fax |
| 21:24.54 | paulswm | asg: you use csh? how quaint :> |
| 21:25.02 | asg | paulswm: no, that was a joke. |
| 21:25.11 | paulswm | asg: oops, sorry |
| 21:25.16 | asg | paulswm: :) |
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| 21:25.36 | dippo | greycat: no |
| 21:25.40 | chr_xchat | Any idea? |
| 21:25.43 | greycat | !tell dippo about polls |
| 21:25.49 | dippo | petemc: any suggestions for what "Boot failed" means? |
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| 21:26.13 | petemc | dippo: did you run rdev.sh before unmounting? |
| 21:26.14 | dippo | other than the obvious |
| 21:26.16 | dippo | yeah |
| 21:26.26 | youcankillacat | chr_xchat: maybe there is an older xchat executable hiding the newer one? for instance, i have /usr/bin/w3m and /usr/local/bin/w3m |
| 21:26.28 | dippo | copied over the kernel, ran rdev.sh, and copied over a gzipp'ed System.map |
| 21:26.36 | petemc | dippo: did you include the necessary kernel drivers, ramdisk etc? |
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| 21:26.42 | dippo | as far as I know |
| 21:26.48 | dippo | everything listed on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-boot-floppy-techinfo.en.html |
| 21:26.54 | chr_xchat | Hmm, let's see. |
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| 21:26.59 | petemc | dippo: as far as you know? did you gues? |
| 21:27.01 | petemc | guess |
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| 21:27.17 | dippo | no, I made sure I had everything listed on the aforementioned URL |
| 21:27.27 | keta | paulswm: ahah, yes, I wuold be happy to test the deb |
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| 21:27.38 | zigo | Hi ! It's been half a year that I'm trying to find someone to help me to have my program (released in .deb) included in official tree. Can some of you help me ? |
| 21:27.40 | Zeenix | hello |
| 21:27.48 | shoutt | whats wrong with : df | grep -o -P '[0-9]{1,2}%.*$' |
| 21:27.50 | paulswm | keta: was wondering about trying to write one, just for grins |
| 21:27.52 | chance2105 | asg: I'm asking for general advice. apt-cache search is showing .. something .. doesn't look very applicable. |
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| 21:28.22 | Zeenix | I've been using RH all along but now i want to shift to debian. any suggestions? |
| 21:28.23 | chance2105 | asg: It looks like that apsfilter + ghostscript (or some ghostscript magic?) is what I need tho? |
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| 21:28.28 | on1aad | zigo > is on www.backports.org and/or www.apt-get.org ? |
| 21:28.33 | petemc | dippo: dunno then, works for me - tho you need to be careful as the installer grabs and installs a new kernel which wouldnt have your driver |
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| 21:28.45 | keta | paulswm: iirc, there's a GNU cobol compiler project |
| 21:28.49 | dippo | right |
| 21:28.59 | dippo | I just can't figure out why it can't boot at all |
| 21:29.01 | nicolas | thanks for the help, CD works now.. |
| 21:29.01 | youcankillacat | shoutt: does egrep work? |
| 21:29.05 | BlasteR^ | anyone worked with vsftpd here? i'm getting "This FTP server is anonymous only!" Even though i have put in anonymous_enable=NO in my /etc/vsftpd.conf .. it's like it's not reading my config at all (it seems to ignore the given portrange in my config aswell!) |
| 21:29.07 | paulswm | keta: crap, i didn't check out GNU, I forgot |
| 21:29.12 | zigo | on1aad : My project is hosted only in my server... |
| 21:29.13 | linuxfreck | shoutt: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:29.20 | greycat | ls |
| 21:29.23 | shoutt | youcankillacat: nope |
| 21:29.24 | exobyte | is there a linux version of spider solitare? |
| 21:29.25 | greycat | !smite me |
| 21:29.31 | shoutt | exobyte: pysol? |
| 21:29.44 | on1aad | zigo> if you 'promote' them on those 2 websites, somebody will take note, and wonder why it isn't on official |
| 21:29.52 | exobyte | shoutt: I'll look into it |
| 21:29.52 | FieldySnuts | ~lart me |
| 21:29.57 | paulswm | DBMS |
| 21:29.58 | FieldySnuts | heh won't do the actions anymore |
| 21:30.11 | zigo | http://www.gplhost.com/?rub=softwares&sousrub=dtc |
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| 21:30.24 | cahoot | I aptitude installed abcde - it misses 'lame' - apt-cache search lame gives nothing appropriate - where would I find it? |
| 21:30.43 | ciga | hi |
| 21:30.49 | exobyte | shoutt: looks good!! |
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| 21:31.16 | keta | paulswm: are you in touch with bull's GCOS stuff? if yes i would like to talk about it in private, since it's an OT here |
| 21:31.21 | zigo | on1aad : I only need to get in touch with someone from debian that is RESPONSIBLE... I'll be included soon in BSD, I see no reason why I wouldn't in debian... |
| 21:31.41 | on1aad | zigo> isn't technologie spelled technology ? |
| 21:31.51 | ciga | I've configured dhcp with filename "tftpboot.img"; that I found on d.ofor woody. but on boot the client says that's an invalid image. anyone can help? |
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| 21:32.01 | shoutt | exobyte: :-) |
| 21:32.02 | zigo | on1aad : It's a mix of both french and english... :) |
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| 21:32.09 | youcankillacat | shoutt: what is grep -o supposed to do? my grep doesn't have -o |
| 21:32.20 | on1aad | zigo> debian has *completely* different policy's on license etcetera. |
| 21:32.26 | keta | zigo: /j #debian-devel to get in touch with debgian developers |
| 21:32.27 | shoutt | youcankillacat: mine doenst have -P. thats the prob |
| 21:32.28 | paulswm | keta: no, I'm just hunting for some nostalgic project as a challenge |
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| 21:32.37 | zigo | keta: Thanks ! |
| 21:32.38 | shoutt | youcankillacat: you running sid? |
| 21:32.43 | youcankillacat | no |
| 21:32.56 | on1aad | zigo> you could/should get it onto "request for packaging" list |
| 21:33.19 | zigo | on1aad : Ok ! |
| 21:33.37 | zigo | Currently asking in #debian-devel |
| 21:33.40 | Erik2_ | Question: I would like to compile a new kernel for my laptop. Do you have an easy how-to with steps to follow? |
| 21:33.53 | greycat | Erik2_: configuring it is the hard part |
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| 21:33.57 | keta | zigo: before joining there read debian-policy as well. |
| 21:34.09 | keta | too late |
| 21:34.13 | streuner | Erik2_: /msg dpkg newbiedoc |
| 21:34.16 | Erik2_ | greycat: no prob with config... I know about menuconfig |
| 21:34.27 | linuxfreck | shoutt: I run sid, and grep -P says: grep: The -P option is not supported ; try using perl itself |
| 21:34.27 | greycat | Erik2_: the rest can be written down in a simple recipe. It's trivial and non-brain-requiring. But configuring (especially 2.4.x or 2.6.x) is a royal bitch. |
| 21:34.48 | ciga | how can I boot up with bf24/tftpboot.img ? |
| 21:34.52 | youcankillacat | shoutt: what you are trying to do is "df | sed 1d", isn't it? |
| 21:35.22 | Erik2_ | greycat: also, I ever done it... but it makes a lot of months... |
| 21:35.50 | keta | ciga: with a tftpd server somewhere in your lan and reading docs. |
| 21:35.51 | shoutt | youcankillacat: no, it works on a redhat machine, wonder why -P isnt on debian's grep |
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| 21:36.05 | shoutt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:36.15 | Erik2_ | greycat: and also... I need to compile something else? alsa maybe? not sure... |
| 21:36.15 | greycat | Erik2_: install kernel-package. Then install the source, extract it, configure it, then type "make-kpkg --revision=custom.1 kernel_image" |
| 21:36.25 | ciga | keta: done. but the client says that's an invalid image. |
| 21:36.25 | greycat | Erik2_: you'd better *be* sure before you start... |
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| 21:36.40 | greycat | Erik2_: (if you do have to do ALSA or nvidia or PCMCIA, then add a few steps) |
| 21:36.46 | Erik2_ | greycat: So.. I ask before ;p |
| 21:37.06 | keta | ciga: so serach about hints on the server-side |
| 21:37.06 | greycat | Erik2_: well, we can't tell you whether you need ALSA. Only you know that. |
| 21:37.10 | Erik2_ | greycat: I think yes for alsa. I need pcmcia of course! |
| 21:37.17 | greycat | there is no "of course". |
| 21:37.22 | GunZ | i installed my new kernel and for some reason my sound is not working, can somebody tell me y, i have the module installed |
| 21:37.25 | greycat | Erik2_: what kernel are you going to build? |
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| 21:37.29 | paulswm | Erik2_: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 21:37.45 | greycat | GunZ: dmesg is your friend |
| 21:37.45 | Justin_ | shoutt: you dont need the -P |
| 21:37.48 | shoutt | youcankillacat: im trying to do %porcentage /mountpoint |
| 21:37.49 | Justin_ | shoutt: use egrep |
| 21:37.52 | Erik2_ | greycat: 2.4.24 ? People told me easier than 2.6... |
| 21:37.58 | Erik2_ | greycat: I have now 2.4.22 |
| 21:38.14 | shoutt | Justin_: egrep -o ? |
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| 21:38.17 | ciga | keta: it says RRQ from clientip filename tftpboot.img |
| 21:38.22 | greycat | Erik2_: ok, get the alsa source and the pcmcia source. Extract them under /usr/src as their docs say. Then do all of the stuff I mentioned except change "kernel_image" to "kernel_image modules_image" |
| 21:38.30 | GunZ | greycat: the thing is that the sound was working earlier this mornbing with this kernel |
| 21:38.36 | greycat | GunZ: what changed? |
| 21:38.37 | linuxfreck | shoutt: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=203109 |
| 21:38.45 | GunZ | greycat: nothing that i can recall |
| 21:39.02 | greycat | GunZ: what happens when you try to make sounds? dmesg? stderr? syslog? |
| 21:39.19 | GunZ | greycat: i think i found out actually 1 sec |
| 21:39.31 | GunZ | yeah got it |
| 21:39.42 | Justin_ | shoutt: df |sed "s/.* \(.*%\)/\1/", too |
| 21:39.42 | keta | ciga: are you sure the path is correct? |
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| 21:39.45 | GunZ | greycat: i ran quake2 earlier and it didnt fully shutdown |
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| 21:39.59 | Erik2_ | paulswm: seems to be a very good tutorial... thanks. |
| 21:40.13 | youcankillacat | shoutt: try df | perl -nle '/[0-9]+%.*$/ && print $&' |
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| 21:40.33 | paulswm | Erik2_: another one I found useful is http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.html |
| 21:41.16 | ciga | keta: yes, I am. |
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| 21:41.50 | `Butthead | anyone know how to make a directory not allow a file to be executed? |
| 21:42.06 | shoutt | youcankillacat, Justin_; those two work, but I dont want to depend on perl, its either egrep or sed |
| 21:42.09 | kleber | there is anybody to talk about openmosix cluster? |
| 21:42.11 | greycat | `Butthead: impossible as phrased. Other options exist. |
| 21:42.14 | Steven_ | `Butthead : mount it noexec |
| 21:42.28 | kawfee | troubled: ! |
| 21:42.36 | ciga | keta: I installed tftpd now. it says: tftpd: trying to get file: /tftpboot/tftpboot.img |
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| 21:42.49 | ciga | keta: the client says not a valid image. |
| 21:42.59 | `Butthead | Steven_: yeah I thought about that, but, its a subdirectory of /home/ |
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| 21:43.11 | ciga | /tftpboot/tftpboot.img: Linux kernel x86 boot executable RO-rootFS, root_dev=0x305, Normal VGA |
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| 21:43.17 | sputnik | lo |
| 21:43.28 | ciga | keta: is that okay? |
| 21:43.40 | keta | ciga: it seems so |
| 21:43.51 | petemc | `Butthead: mount has an option to mount directories that is quite useful |
| 21:43.57 | kleber | hello |
| 21:44.01 | findme | which wireless card is known to work in debian ? pcmcia that is ? |
| 21:44.14 | kawfee | ~math+sex |
| 21:44.24 | ramanujan | hey guys, I've an avi file. When I try the play it in mplayer, it plays too fast. the video moves too fast and the audio keeps up so it sounds like the thing one hears when one is trying to record on an audio tape in the "fast" mode (the cartoon kind of voice). |
| 21:45.02 | sputnik | ramanujan: if updating to latest cvs and latest codecs doesn't fix it, you're stuck |
| 21:45.06 | greycat | maybe it's playing the audio too fast, and the video is keeping up? |
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| 21:45.10 | kawfee | dpkg: sex+math is reply sex is like math; add the bed; subtract the clothes; divide the legs; multiply the fun |
| 21:45.10 | dpkg | ...but sex+math is already something else... |
| 21:45.12 | ciga | keta: on the client side I've created a ROM-o-matic file which was a .zdsk file. |
| 21:45.20 | kawfee | !sex+math |
| 21:45.20 | dpkg | [sex+math] sex is like math; add the bed; subtract the clothes; divide the legs; multiply the fun |
| 21:45.33 | greycat | kawfee: apt and dpkg are not in sync |
| 21:45.46 | kawfee | greycat: yeah, I know. They should be. |
| 21:46.00 | kawfee | It's difficult enough trying to remember what is on what |
| 21:46.01 | yOuCanKillACat | ramanujan: mplayer -speed <0.01-100> |
| 21:46.13 | kawfee | !debianstrike greycat |
| 21:46.14 | dpkg | ~say ~penixstrike $1 |
| 21:46.18 | | ~penixstrike $1 |
| 21:46.26 | kawfee | pfft |
| 21:46.36 | shoutt | Is there a way to check what distro the machine is running? like /etc/distribution ? |
| 21:46.45 | kawfee | shoutt: you can check the debian version |
| 21:46.51 | greycat | shoutt: no, but there's /etc/debian_version and /etc/redhat-release or so |
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| 21:47.00 | kawfee | shoutt: I'd start looking in /etc |
| 21:47.16 | ramanujan | yOuCanKillACat: it slows the playback speed but the audio is still messy |
| 21:47.35 | kawfee | shoutt: uname -a always gives helpful info as well |
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| 21:47.46 | greycat | kawfee: sometimes |
| 21:48.05 | sputnik | problem with imapd: it won't accept plaintext connections |
| 21:48.10 | Ricky | test |
| 21:48.22 | sputnik | i've followed the instructions in the docs to enable it. no dice |
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| 21:48.28 | lbm_ | anyone knows why I cant start X when the glx line is in XF86Config-4.. When i remove it, it boots fine.... |
| 21:48.50 | kawfee | lbm_: what does the log say? |
| 21:48.58 | kawfee | or error |
| 21:49.00 | Penth | what cad are you using? |
| 21:49.06 | Penth | s/cad/card/ |
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| 21:51.11 | lbm_ | kawfee, havent checked yet, but it came right after I installed ati's driver, and added fglrx to XF86Config-4.. Then it will only start x if I remove the glx line |
| 21:51.16 | shoutt | Justin_: Im goint to use if os.path.isfile("/etc/debian_version") == 1: , and your sed variable to make this app work on debian. |
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| 21:52.52 | ciga | keta: probably I need to use something else on the client. do you have any idea? |
| 21:55.21 | LrdMyren | i'm thinking of running 2.6 |
| 21:55.30 | LrdMyren | but its an old as crap system |
| 21:55.41 | LrdMyren | just doing some routing shizniz |
| 21:55.50 | greycat | then why bother with 2.6? |
| 21:56.06 | LrdMyren | couple extra routing features, built in ipsec |
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| 21:59.39 | tarzeau | asuffield: are you around? i have a question regarding dancer-ircd on Debian GNU/Hurd, it has no installation candidate |
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| 21:59.50 | keta | ciga: use a tftp client on an installed machiene to test the tftpd, or on the server machine |
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| 22:00.02 | Ruglia | What's the best way to uninstall kde totally and reinstall? |
| 22:00.34 | streuner | Ruglia: that isn't a good idea |
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| 22:00.57 | keta | Ruglia: try debfoster. |
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| 22:01.02 | Ruglia | oh. kde keeps crashing but gnome works fine and I can't figure out why |
| 22:01.02 | icecold | Ruglia: Why do you want to do this? |
| 22:01.03 | streuner | Ruglia: why do you think you need to reinstall? |
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| 22:01.32 | ambiguous | can I run smbfs without the samba packets? |
| 22:01.38 | icecold | Ruglia: Where does it crash? |
| 22:01.41 | streuner | Rugila: what version of KDE and what version of debian do you use? |
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| 22:02.39 | beta3 | how do I identify the keymap for this logitech full keyboard |
| 22:02.41 | Ruglia | woody and it crashes after it says initializing peripherals |
| 22:02.56 | beta3 | it has abuch of multi function buttons I can't identify |
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| 22:03.23 | ciga | keta: I'd like to boot up from floppy on the client side. |
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| 22:03.29 | streuner | Rugila: run 'dpkg -l libc6' and us the output |
| 22:03.38 | kawfee | tarzeau: are you? |
| 22:03.45 | icecold | Ruglia: Why are you running KDE with Woody? Why don't you upgrade? Woody kde is version 2.2, I think. |
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| 22:04.06 | romulo | hi, theres any way i use motorola sb4200 modem on usb?!?! |
| 22:04.07 | VolVE | hey all, I'm trying to recursively set some permissions on all sub-directories, but I can't find a way to have the command simultaneously change file permissions too... Any ideas? :-/ |
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| 22:04.10 | protoloco | logrotate is a daemon ?? to rotate files ? i made some changes to logrotate.conf, how could i make them to work already |
| 22:04.13 | Ruglia | icecold: cause I'm pretty new to this |
| 22:04.25 | keta | ciga: yes but you should check the things, like loop mounting the img, testing the tftpd etc.. |
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| 22:04.34 | tarzeau | kawfee: i'm there, yes |
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| 22:05.02 | Ruglia | streuner: what should i be looking for from that line? |
| 22:05.08 | VolVE | Ack! I phrased that completely wrong: chmod -R a+r * applies said permission recursively to BOTH files and dirs - is there any way to ONLY have it apply the permission to dirs and leave files alone? :-/ |
| 22:05.14 | streuner | Ruglia: only the version |
| 22:05.15 | kyll | hi, the command "ip rule add from 192.168.2.100 table network2" gives me the error "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument". does anyone know what argument is invalid? "200 network2" is in /etc/iproute2/rt_tables |
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| 22:05.26 | Ruglia | it says 2.2.5-11.5 |
| 22:05.31 | Mike6 | VolVE : man find ; re -exec {} |
| 22:05.50 | streuner | Rugila: run 'dpkg -l kdebase' and us the output |
| 22:06.08 | Ruglia | 2.2.2-14.7 |
| 22:06.15 | icecold | VolVE: find -t file -exec chmod 777 {} \; |
| 22:06.27 | VolVE | hmm, thanks icecold |
| 22:06.41 | VolVE | I guess I wasn't quite grasping find's man page |
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| 22:06.47 | icecold | VolVE: And also make sure it's recursive chmod -R I think |
| 22:06.49 | greycat | !man find |
| 22:06.49 | dpkg | EXAMPLES: "find . -type f -name core -print" print all files named "core" recursivesly from `pwd`. "find /usr -type f -perm +6000 -print | xargs ls -l" show all setuid/setgid programs under /usr. "find / -xdev -size +100k -print | xargs ls -l" show all files >100kB in root fs. |
| 22:06.51 | streuner | Ruglia: that's pretty old, just /list #debian-kde and read /topic how to upgrade to KDE3.1 |
| 22:07.01 | romulo | theres any way i use my cable modem on usb?@! |
| 22:07.06 | Mike6 | icecold : uh, definitely not what I was thinking |
| 22:07.15 | Mike6 | I was thinking: |
| 22:07.18 | icecold | Ruglia: I totally agree. |
| 22:07.23 | paulswm | VolVE: what icecold said except you want -t d |
| 22:07.35 | beta3 | !man 5 crontab |
| 22:07.36 | Ruglia | ok, i didn't know. new to deb kinda. |
| 22:07.39 | Ruglia | thanks |
| 22:07.54 | icecold | I was just giving a basic find command, find is a very very good utility! |
| 22:07.55 | streuner | Ruglia: You're welcome. |
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| 22:08.06 | paulswm | type |
| 22:08.09 | greycat | icecold: and it would be even better if the man page had examples. |
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| 22:08.18 | paulswm | crap |
| 22:08.29 | greycat | too bad nobody ever wrote any patches that would put them in, and then submitted said patch to the BTS |
| 22:08.35 | greycat | oh wait... I did. |
| 22:08.41 | Mike6 | find . -type d -exec chmod a+r {} \; |
| 22:08.47 | Ruglia | How would i go about upgrading the whole thing to testing or whatever? |
| 22:08.48 | icecold | greycat: Yeah, here is a good website: http://www.linux-mag.com/2002-09/power_01.html |
| 22:08.54 | greycat | Ruglia: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 22:08.59 | paulswm | greycat: heh |
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| 22:09.26 | paulswm | there are examples in the info docs, "Finding files" I believe it is |
| 22:09.38 | greycat | paulswm: that's what the maintainer said when h e rejected my patch. |
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| 22:09.50 | greycat | "We won't improve the man pages because there are info pages." |
| 22:09.51 | icecold | Ruglia: Change /etc/apt/sources.list to have testing instead of stable, do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:09.52 | paulswm | greycat: rotfl |
| 22:09.58 | greycat | well, that's not an exact quote |
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| 22:10.01 | greycat | !linux man pages |
| 22:10.01 | dpkg | well, linux man pages is utterly shit, and you can't fix them even if you try. For example, see http://bugs.debian.org/111578 |
| 22:10.17 | paulswm | greycat: I hate info pages, to be honest |
| 22:10.29 | greycat | If the find manpage is not going to be complete, it should reference the |
| 22:10.30 | greycat | find info page. |
| 22:10.35 | greycat | It currently does this, I think, in See Also, but if the manpage is not |
| 22:10.35 | greycat | the main documentation, the main documentation should be referenced at |
| 22:10.35 | icecold | greycat: We don't use info pages, you should know this! :) |
| 22:10.36 | greycat | the start of the manpage. |
| 22:10.59 | greycat | icecold: see "/msg dpkg man find" and "/msg dpkg linux man pages" and bug #111578 |
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| 22:11.21 | greycat | dpkg, linux man pages =~ s/utterly shit/<reply> linux man pages are utterly shit/ |
| 22:11.21 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 22:11.30 | paulswm | greycat: I agree, it is annoying to read a manpage then find some blurb at the *bottom* |
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| 22:11.55 | greycat | oh, here's the quote I wanted: |
| 22:11.57 | greycat | I do not think I'll apply this, find contains verbose documentation |
| 22:11.57 | greycat | featuring many examples in info-format. |
| 22:11.57 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.17 | tarzeau | i think you can always do man man | tac | less |
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| 22:12.42 | Ruglia | icecold: thanks :) |
| 22:12.57 | paulswm | greycat: strange, it's not like you can have too much documentation, especially on find |
| 22:13.12 | knoppix | hi |
| 22:13.13 | foobar_ | is it expected behaviour that my mouse only moves up and down at the center of the screen (x with kde) or did i something wrong? :) |
| 22:13.28 | tarzeau | foobar_: clean the balls |
| 22:13.31 | fcosta | knoppix: oi |
| 22:13.34 | greycat | paulswm: it's some sort of cultural/philosophical clash, that's all I can guess. |
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| 22:13.51 | greycat | paulswm: I'm a Unix guy. Not a GNU guy. I want man pages. On BSD, *everything* you need to know is in a man page. |
| 22:13.56 | streuner | foobar_: gpm installed? |
| 22:13.57 | foobar_ | tarzeau: on an optical? hard to find, balls there i guess |
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| 22:14.04 | foobar_ | streuner: nope |
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| 22:14.11 | paulswm | greycat: I am with you totally |
| 22:14.17 | keta | greycat: the real nonsense is to have info and man. wider docs should be read like zless /usr/share/doc/package/bighowto.txt.gz or with your favourite browser in html pages |
| 22:14.40 | streuner | foobar_: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again and choose the right protocol for your mouse |
| 22:14.56 | greycat | keta: info pages might have received wider adoption and acceptance if /usr/bin/info didn't SUCK DONKEY SHIT as a user interface |
| 22:15.07 | knoppix | does anybody now what parameters have i got to add to a 2.6 kernel for detect&use well a serial-ata hd? |
| 22:15.09 | paulswm | lol |
| 22:15.09 | Echizen | hey, i am using convert from imagemagick to convert bmps to jpgs. problem is there is like 50 or so files i need to do this to. is there an easy to mass convert all of them? |
| 22:15.11 | foobar_ | streuner: tryed by doing it in the config but seems to not work |
| 22:15.16 | wasabi | Anybody know about ca-certificates? I'm wondering what the proper procedure to adding my own CA cert to Debian is |
| 22:15.17 | tarzeau | paulswm: but he's right on that! |
| 22:15.17 | vasi | i'm having trouble with update-alternatives: i have two debs that provide alternatives to a `google` executable, but only one has a corresponding manpage |
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| 22:15.19 | wasabi | Where should it be put, etc. |
| 22:15.22 | keta | the paranoy of the Right way or the Right GNU/Linux Philosophy causes this imho |
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| 22:15.36 | vasi | u-a doesn't seem to like a slave that only one alternative contains |
| 22:15.37 | greycat | Echizen: for i in *.bmp; do convert blah blah "$i"; done |
| 22:15.50 | vasi | is that normal for u-a? and what's proper procedure in this case? |
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| 22:15.52 | tarzeau | greycat: you can just do mogrify *.bmp bla bla |
| 22:16.02 | paulswm | greycat: not too bad using info2www, though |
| 22:16.09 | maher | greycat: do you know of an info browser who's ui is better? |
| 22:16.10 | Ruglia | how can you fix it when your cursor suddenly jumps everywhere? what protocol should you choose if it's a laptop touch pad? |
| 22:16.18 | greycat | maher: pinfo is better in some ways |
| 22:16.21 | Echizen | greycat: am i to replace the words blah blah with soemthing? |
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| 22:16.23 | init6 | Q: how can I downgrade a package? |
| 22:16.25 | streuner | foobar_: what kind of mouse? |
| 22:16.39 | streuner | init6: which package? |
| 22:16.39 | tarzeau | init6: take the older .deb and dpkg -i it, it might not work |
| 22:16.43 | greycat | maher: but the problem is the documentation is split apart in the first place. If "man find" would just bring up the info page instead of a castrated man page.... |
| 22:16.44 | dogayonv | can someone tell me how I set the skin directory in xmms? or where I have to play skins so it can use them? |
| 22:16.51 | init6 | libgd2-xpm |
| 22:16.52 | tarzeau | dogayonv: #xmms |
| 22:17.03 | init6 | it breaks PHP4 on testing. |
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| 22:17.13 | ljlane | dogayonv: drop them in $HOME/.xmms/Skins/ |
| 22:17.16 | foobar_ | streuner: microsoft mouseexplorer wireless usb, uhci and mousedev in kernel |
| 22:17.38 | streuner | foobar_: read /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 22:17.44 | pmfp | if you want to partition a SATA drive (in knoppix to pull in debian), what should I modprobe and/or where should I point fdisk? |
| 22:17.47 | init6 | tarzeau : I've been using apt-get. where do I find the .deb files? |
| 22:17.55 | tarzeau | init6: in /var/cache somewhere |
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| 22:18.07 | greycat | |
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| 22:18.16 | paulswm | greycat: in some instances, the man page directs you to the info page, and the info page is just a friggin copy of the man page |
| 22:18.22 | Echizen | greycat? |
| 22:18.30 | knoppix | pmfp, a 2.4 detected my SATA disk like a PATA one and set it in /dev/hde |
| 22:18.37 | tarzeau | paulswm: hahahaha |
| 22:19.03 | tarzeau | paulswm: and then you ask on irc and get READ THE FUNKY MANUAL! |
| 22:19.23 | keta | ROTFL |
| 22:19.28 | paulswm | tarzeau: heh heh |
| 22:19.35 | wasabi | heh this doesn't make much sense |
| 22:19.37 | foobar_ | streuner: thx, ill try |
| 22:19.47 | greycat | if you're really rolling on the floor, how can you reach the keyboard in order to type "ROTFL"? |
| 22:20.04 | tarzeau | greycat: wireless keyboard |
| 22:20.05 | paulswm | tarzeau: recursive info |
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| 22:20.17 | Justin_ | greycat: speakign of man pages, man mogrify |
| 22:20.24 | pmfp | knoppix: well, this isn't done in native mode, but enhanced, with raid... so it's not there |
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| 22:20.36 | keta | hoping on a unique utopic documetation standard I go to drink, have a nice continue pals |
| 22:20.57 | knoppix | pmfp, in that case i've got no idea... |
| 22:21.02 | Ruglia | where can you configure sound? |
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| 22:21.07 | greycat | Ruglia: /msg dpkg sound |
| 22:21.10 | Echizen | greycat: could u explain that line u gave to me please? |
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| 22:21.28 | pmfp | knoppix: thanks anyway |
| 22:21.31 | greycat | Echizen: mogrify is better. Use that. |
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| 22:21.39 | greycat | Echizen: man mogrify even has EXAMPLES |
| 22:21.48 | Echizen | ok |
| 22:22.43 | Echizen | thanx greycat, thats much easier |
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| 22:22.47 | greycat | I think it's "Utopian", not "Utopic", too. |
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| 22:23.44 | keta | it even has a nice sound, good hint |
| 22:23.56 | keta | s/nice/&r/ |
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| 22:24.19 | paulswm | Utopian = everything in man pages |
| 22:24.28 | greycat | paulswm: that's BSD |
| 22:24.38 | paulswm | heh |
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| 22:24.46 | Mave | no that's LSD |
| 22:24.46 | greycat | if you want an example of a BSD man page, try "man ssh" on Debian |
| 22:25.16 | paulswm | greycat: well I would if I had ssh installed |
| 22:25.25 | greycat | !punish paulswm for not having ssh |
| 22:25.34 | greycat | EVERYONE should have ssh installed |
| 22:25.35 | Mave | greycat: but it doesn't have colors :) |
| 22:25.37 | paulswm | ow |
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| 22:25.49 | tarzeau | greycat: Debian GNU/Hurd does not have /dev/random |
| 22:25.56 | greycat | Mave: it can, if you configure your term-emulator to map bold/italics/underline to colors |
| 22:25.57 | paulswm | greycat: why, this is just a local PC |
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| 22:26.09 | greycat | paulswm: you're on the internet, aren't you? yes, you are, right now. |
| 22:26.26 | greycat | Mave: e.g. mine uses blue for boldface |
| 22:26.29 | paulswm | greycat: yes |
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| 22:27.01 | a_dave | Hi all, how safe is it to upgrade to sarge from woody via a change to apt/sources.list? |
| 22:27.11 | tarzeau | a_dave: pretty |
| 22:27.16 | greycat | a_dave: I wouldn't do it on a life support system. |
| 22:27.20 | a_dave | heh |
| 22:27.24 | greycat | a_dave: but on a desktop? go for it |
| 22:27.35 | a_dave | great. here goes. thanks |
| 22:27.50 | a_dave | (hows that for trust ;*) |
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| 22:28.46 | Mave | greycat: which file do I have to edit ? terminfo db (which is binary iirc) ? |
| 22:28.56 | greycat | Mave: no, not terminfo. |
| 22:29.03 | greycat | griffon:~$ grep blue .Xresources |
| 22:29.03 | greycat | rxvt*colorBD: navy blue |
| 22:29.28 | Mave | greycat: hm, I want color on console |
| 22:29.38 | Mave | if I want* |
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| 22:30.32 | greycat | Mave: dunno |
| 22:31.34 | Mave | I prefer reading man pages on console. |
| 22:31.38 | EruditeHermit | Hi, I tried to get my drives to automount, but it doesn't seem to work. They mount when I try to access them, but I would rather have them mount on startup. Can anyone help? |
| 22:31.52 | El_Che | is there a problerm with the debianutils upgrade voor x86? trying to overwrite `/bin/readlink', which is also in package coreutils |
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| 22:31.56 | El_Che | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 22:32.12 | paulswm | greycat: now you have me worried. this is a local machine, no remote logins in or out, why should I need ssh? |
| 22:32.22 | greycat | El_Che: dpkg -i --force-overwrite |
| 22:32.36 | greycat | paulswm: surely you must talk to *some* other box on the internet from time to time...? |
| 22:33.27 | paulswm | greycat: no, only secure web pages. I talk to my comany's intranet via private network from XP |
| 22:33.34 | paulswm | company's |
| 22:33.53 | greycat | paulswm: that's sick. |
| 22:34.04 | Mave | secure and XP in one sentence.. |
| 22:34.10 | El_Che | greycat: thanks |
| 22:34.10 | greycat | two sentences |
| 22:34.27 | Mave | yeah fuzzy logic |
| 22:34.35 | paulswm | greycat: I have no choice - I can't get ATT Globalnet's fixedIP dialer to work in Linux |
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| 22:35.18 | Penth | a_dave: imho the only problem with sarge is there's no security server for it |
| 22:35.37 | Mave | Penth: you're in lag |
| 22:35.55 | Penth | Physical lag - was having some lunch |
| 22:36.25 | greycat | Penth: he left |
| 22:37.03 | Penth | Ah Weird - I'm not seeing parts |
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| 22:37.29 | paulswm | anyway, I'm away for the evening, you good folks all have a safe and peaceful night |
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| 22:38.23 | Penth | sry about that |
| 22:38.52 | Mave | Penth: why ? no need to be sorry |
| 22:39.34 | Penth | Feeling self-conscious. I've gone 24 hours without X and am now reduced to IRCing on a Powerbook I haven't touched in most of a year |
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| 22:40.17 | Mave | thnaks for the explanation |
| 22:40.23 | coolnewbie | where can i get help on ftp |
| 22:40.24 | Mave | :) |
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| 22:40.42 | Mave | coolnewbie: man ftp ? |
| 22:40.48 | bztunk | coolnewbie: newbies ain't cool |
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| 22:42.39 | bztunk | ~test |
| 22:42.41 | | Passed |
| 22:42.41 | El_Che | got to go, thx |
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| 22:43.30 | jodathmorr | im having problems getting x to work. anyone around that can help? |
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| 22:45.09 | hacim | I'm trying to get a USB keyboard/mouse to work in my laptop debian installation... just recompiled the kernel to have all the USB/HiD support and when I plug in the device it recognizes a keyboard/mouse, but when I type on the keyboard nothing comes out, but the laptop keyboard still is active |
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| 22:45.31 | hacim | ie. it prints to the console that the USB device was plugged in and a device ID was assigned |
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| 22:45.49 | jodathmorr | well i'd ask my question but im not sure whats going on |
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| 22:46.21 | Mave | jodathmorr: look in /var/log for XFree86 log |
| 22:46.30 | hacim | jodathmorr: look for EE lines |
| 22:46.47 | phobo | exit |
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| 22:47.59 | RevHippie | I have a system that's periodically running out of memory--the logs load up with the OOM killer slapping apache around, but I can't log in via ssh or the console and have to hard-reboot. Once I do that, I can't figure out what's going wrong in the logs, and would like to watch this box more closely. What can I do? |
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| 22:48.16 | ndurr | whats an easy way to get xfree86 4.3 on sarge |
| 22:48.23 | jodathmorr | i don't see any EE linex but it says at the bottom Fatal Server Error: no screens found |
| 22:48.40 | bztunk | !setup x |
| 22:48.40 | dpkg | it has been said that set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 22:49.05 | jodathmorr | yeah i've tried it with no frame buffers |
| 22:49.05 | patfm | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.24 | guruman | i have a switch(a) where a is a char .. but i also want to check if esc is pressed is this possible with this? |
| 22:49.26 | kawfee | anyone know where I can find an explanation on how raid works? |
| 22:49.36 | kawfee | I just need the basics |
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| 22:49.43 | jodathmorr | google? |
| 22:49.52 | jodathmorr | www.howstuffworks.com? |
| 22:49.56 | guruman | i mean a is set to the current key beeing pressed. |
| 22:49.57 | kawfee | guruman: that char should hold the esc |
| 22:49.57 | jodathmorr | :P |
| 22:50.05 | kawfee | jodathmorr: I looked there already |
| 22:50.14 | kawfee | guruman: you need tro check the scan code, iirc |
| 22:50.27 | guruman | kawfee ok, but how do i write it in the "case" part |
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| 22:50.40 | kawfee | guruman: for me to know and you to find out |
| 22:50.46 | kawfee | guruman: is this C? |
| 22:50.53 | guruman | kawfee yes |
| 22:50.59 | kawfee | guruman: x86 ? |
| 22:51.03 | guruman | kawfee yes |
| 22:51.12 | Penth | tldp.org |
| 22:51.14 | kawfee | guruman: use a bios interrupt, int 16 I think |
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| 22:51.35 | guruman | kawfee ok |
| 22:51.43 | kawfee | guruman: are you familiar with the concept? |
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| 22:52.07 | kawfee | guruman: there may be an easier way |
| 22:53.07 | sandman | Assembler messages: |
| 22:53.07 | sandman | FATAL: can't create .libs/gimpwidgets.o: No such file or directory |
| 22:53.22 | guruman | kawfee hmm no .. since im not to familiar with c at all, but the code is working as is if i use another key as "exit" key .. but i wanted ESC .. |
| 22:53.33 | sandman | Got that during a swift apt-get source -b gimp1.3-data |
| 22:53.44 | jodathmorr | heres an easy one: I installed netenv but purged it and when i boot it still checks for my network configuration and hangs at that line. how can i fix it? |
| 22:53.48 | sandman | Anyone know how to fix? First thing I thought was bin86.. but not sure if that's correct |
| 22:54.29 | Xenocide | does pacakges.d.o still know about experimental? |
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| 22:55.13 | jodathmorr | anyone? |
| 22:55.54 | kawfee | guruman: check the key scan code |
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| 22:56.02 | alexiii | Does anyone know of a way to hide the mouse pointer, make it invisible or something similar when not moved, or at startup (using kde) |
| 22:56.28 | kawfee | guruman: maybe it's '\e' |
| 22:56.32 | kawfee | guruman: try #c |
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| 22:56.45 | dbron | Hi all, I am trying to do a netinstall on an ibm thinkpad 600. The pcmcia network card is recognized find when booting off the cd but after a reboot the newly installed image doesn't have eth0 although the pcmcia card has both lights on. With the same modules loaded, the network doesn't load (eth0 doesn't exist). Anyone know why the network isn't recognized on reboot? If I restart pcmcia, I get one high tone and one low tone. |
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| 22:58.48 | trans_err | in the back of my computer there appears to be two monitor hookups (VGA), but one is female and the other male... Can I hook a second monitor up to the male connector with a female to female converter? |
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| 22:59.23 | dbron | trans_err: you sure that's not a serial connector? |
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| 22:59.41 | trans_err | dbron: it's very likely... |
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| 23:00.26 | jodathmorr | i don't see any EE linex but it says at the bottom Fatal Server Error: no screens found |
| 23:00.58 | hacim | jodathmorr: there should be a line that says at the beginning (EE) |
| 23:01.03 | iscsi | I gotta problem, after hd replace (18GB SCSI -> 120GB IDE, followed instructions of harddrive upgrade howto), I have "L 10 10" error from lilo. What can be possible error? |
| 23:01.06 | hacim | jodathmorr: all the others will be something like (II) or (WW) |
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| 23:01.20 | Ste41th | debian have had alot of securtity updates in the last year? |
| 23:01.23 | hacim | iscsi: you need to re-run lilo to install the boot block onto your new drive |
| 23:01.24 | jodathmorr | (ee) no devices found |
| 23:01.34 | hacim | iscsi: restart with a boot disk |
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| 23:01.40 | jodathmorr | err detected |
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| 23:01.45 | Ste41th | oh its updating every thing wicked |
| 23:01.53 | dbron | trans_err: then you could prolly hook a modem up to the male connector, but not a monitor. |
| 23:01.55 | hacim | jodathmorr: there should be some additional information than that |
| 23:01.55 | Ste41th | taking a while tho on my adsl connection |
| 23:01.57 | jodathmorr | the last thing that was loaded were my prosavage drivers |
| 23:02.05 | iscsi | I did lilo -C /<mounted new drive>/etc/lilo.conf |
| 23:02.06 | trans_err | dbron: slightly less exciting... |
| 23:02.26 | dbron | trans_err: yea, but safer for your monitor. |
| 23:02.33 | jodathmorr | hacim: (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device |
| 23:02.48 | iscsi | partiton is marked active, lilo.conf is configured, "lilo" executed... still eror L 10 |
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| 23:02.52 | revengeslayer | hi, which option should i set to have the pc speaker working in kernel 2.6.1? |
| 23:03.10 | hacim | revengeslayer: I'd wait until 2.6 is more stable before messing with it :) |
| 23:03.19 | trans_err | dbron: :D |
| 23:03.20 | revengeslayer | hacim it is stable enough |
| 23:03.30 | Ste41th | guys what shall i use for my school & small bissy servers.... debian, mandrake, fedora? |
| 23:03.41 | bruce_ | revenge: modconf ..there is an audio module for pc speaker somewhere there i believe |
| 23:03.45 | iscsi | you ask THAT in #debian? |
| 23:03.46 | trans_err | Ste41th: whatever works |
| 23:03.52 | dbron | !start a distro war |
| 23:03.52 | dpkg | Rock owns! |
| 23:03.55 | Blissex | revengeslayer, it is stable enough for some people. it is dozens of millions of lines of code that move at different speeds... |
| 23:04.56 | Ste41th | I ask cuz i want a Honist opinion what is easyer to maintain once installed |
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| 23:05.12 | Ste41th | these machines are only gonna run like dns and samba |
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| 23:05.31 | revengeslayer | i don't care |
| 23:05.42 | revengeslayer | anyone can tell me how to enable pc speaker in kernel 2.6.1? |
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| 23:06.06 | trans_err | Ste41th: and in english? |
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| 23:06.13 | Blissex | Ste41th: if you have broadband, Debian is rather very easy to maintain once installed. |
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| 23:06.26 | Ste41th | k |
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| 23:06.42 | jodathmorr | I have a question about X and I will be posting a bit of my Xfree86 log in #flood |
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| 23:07.13 | Blissex | Ste41th: you just rgularly run the command that updates the distro, and that's more or less it. |
| 23:07.15 | jodathmorr | (II) SAVAGE: driver (version 1.1.16) for S3 Savage chipsets: Savage4, |
| 23:07.15 | jodathmorr | Savage3D, Savage3D-MV, Savage2000, Savage/MX-MV, Savage/MX, |
| 23:07.15 | jodathmorr | Savage/IX-MV, Savage/IX, ProSavage PM133, ProSavage KM133, Twister, |
| 23:07.15 | jodathmorr | TwisterK |
| 23:07.15 | jodathmorr | (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 |
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| 23:07.21 | hacim | heh |
| 23:07.24 | hacim | I just told him to paste in #flood |
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| 23:07.46 | nania | blissex: I think you should qualify that statement with "if" after you've got Debian installed the way you like it. |
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| 23:08.05 | jodathmorr | whoopse |
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| 23:08.46 | nania | Stt41th: gnome on Debian is still iffy for most hardware. |
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| 23:09.05 | trans_err | nania: what?! |
| 23:09.10 | Blissex | nania: Debian is way too n00bie friendly, and it's got now lots of config-helping scripts and commands, and one can always use one of the config guis. |
| 23:09.20 | Vinland | Where can I go to see what the system wide umask is set to? |
| 23:09.25 | dbron | of course gnome is criticle for dns |
| 23:09.30 | nania | Blissex: Yes...and many of them don't work. |
| 23:09.32 | dbron | and samba |
| 23:09.33 | aoiSpe | hi anyone knows how to the router password? |
| 23:09.36 | hacim | Vinland: it is set for each user |
| 23:09.40 | aoiSpe | reset |
| 23:09.43 | hacim | Vinland: its your "umask" |
| 23:09.47 | aoiSpe | hi anyone knows how to reset the router password? |
| 23:09.52 | Blissex | nania: GNOME is a bit iffy regardless, and even if officially Debian is GUI neutral it's pretty obvious that KDE fits Debian better. |
| 23:09.56 | hacim | Vinland: type umask to see what it is set for your user |
| 23:10.09 | jodathmorr | when i start my x server i get the error (EE) No devices detected. Does anyone know how to fix this? I pasted some of my Xfree86.log in #flood |
| 23:10.11 | nania | Blissex: ..just try to get a GUI running on a Powermac to illustrate my point |
| 23:10.18 | gravity | Blissex: I disagree. The gnome team has done a fantastic job in debian. |
| 23:10.19 | gahan | i want sel for 2.6.1 !! :P |
| 23:10.34 | hacim | nania: gnome on a powermac, now that is a different story |
| 23:10.36 | Vinland | hacim -- okay thanks, and to set it for individual users? .bashrc file? |
| 23:10.37 | Blissex | hacim: actually in many cases a default 'umask' is set in the '/etc/profile' script. |
| 23:10.46 | Ste41th | wahoo 9 mins left |
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| 23:11.04 | dbron | !seen mwilson |
| 23:11.04 | dpkg | mwilson is currently on #debian (19h 2m 8s). Has said a total of 4108 messages. Is idling for 18h 1m 16s |
| 23:11.26 | nania | I've had a working "Woody" since August of last year and I still can't get to a desktop on a Nubus Powermac. |
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| 23:11.45 | hacim | Vinland: see Blissex's message |
| 23:11.45 | Ste41th | !seen Ste4lth |
| 23:11.45 | dpkg | Ste41th: i haven't seen 'ste4lth' |
| 23:11.52 | hacim | !seen hacim |
| 23:11.52 | dpkg | hacim is currently on #debian (1d 7h 8m 50s). Has said a total of 192 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 23:11.55 | Ste41th | !seen Ste41h |
| 23:11.55 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'ste41h', Ste41th |
| 23:12.00 | Ste41th | !seen Ste41th |
| 23:12.00 | dpkg | ste41th is currently on #debian (6h 53m 21s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 23:12.01 | Ste41th | lol |
| 23:12.03 | jodathmorr | !seen jodathmor |
| 23:12.03 | dpkg | jodathmorr: i haven't seen 'jodathmor' |
| 23:12.07 | Blissex | gravity: the Debian/GNOME team can do a good job, but that's an uphill struggle. KDE is much more stable, and the KDE/Debian guys have a much easier job |
| 23:12.08 | jodathmorr | !seen jodathmorr |
| 23:12.08 | dpkg | jodathmorr is currently on #debian (4m 7s). Has said a total of 70 messages. Is idling for 0s |
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| 23:12.43 | gravity | Blissex: I disagree, and apparently so do the Debian KDE maintainers |
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| 23:12.48 | jodathmorr | when i start my x server i get the error (EE) No devices detected. Does anyone know how to fix this? I pasted some of my Xfree86.log in #flood |
| 23:13.03 | Justin_ | jodathmorr: upgrade X |
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| 23:13.11 | aoiSpe | anyone knows how to reset a router password? |
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| 23:13.22 | jodathmorr | justin_: how :) |
| 23:13.26 | jodathmorr | apt-get what? |
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| 23:13.49 | nania | hacim: the LinuxPPC group has had a working Gnome install since last year so what's holding up Debian? |
| 23:13.58 | aoiSpe | should i unplug the thing? |
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| 23:14.25 | Blissex | as to 'umask': in theory one _can_ set a system default umask in various ways, for example in the little known 'init' startup script. |
| 23:14.28 | hacim | nania: I dont use gnome, I dont know |
| 23:14.40 | hacim | nania: nor am I a gnome developer, but I know someone who uses it in debian and it works fine |
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| 23:15.08 | Blissex | aoiSpe: don't ask about resetting router passwords here. However: either you need to remove whatever battery it contains, or you need to reflash it. |
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| 23:15.54 | h3li0s | does cvs sourceforge work anymore? |
| 23:15.55 | hacim | I'm trying to get a USB keyboard/mouse to work in my laptop debian installation... just recompiled the kernel to have all the USB/HiD support and when I plug in the device it recognizes a keyboard/mouse, but when I type on the keyboard nothing comes out, but the laptop keyboard still is active |
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| 23:16.25 | Blissex | gravity: I am surprised... Hey, just last week I noticed a huge flood of updates for GNOME. Debian has had a somewhat mixed 1.4/2.x setup for a while, and it seems that only recetnly it has become mostly 2.x |
| 23:16.55 | gravity | Blissex: Yeah, that's because of weird breakages. KDE had the same issues for a long time. |
| 23:17.11 | jodathmorr | when i start my x server i get the error (EE) No devices detected. Does anyone know how to fix this? I pasted some of my Xfree86.log in #flood |
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| 23:17.47 | Blissex | jodathmorr: this happens asa rule because there is no entry that described the monitor closely enough or the card clocsely enough. |
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| 23:18.24 | Blissex | jodathmorr: to fix, the best things is to run one of the many configuration-building utils ('X -configure', 'xf86config', and many others). |
| 23:18.37 | fishy | How do I open a serial terminal to a remote computer? |
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| 23:18.52 | Blissex | fishy: your question does not make a lot of sense... |
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| 23:19.05 | fishy | Blissex: go figure :/ |
| 23:19.12 | Blissex | fishy: however, on a wild guess, use 'minicom' (or 'seyon' under X). |
| 23:19.19 | fishy | thanks |
| 23:19.22 | jodathmorr | Blissex: ive tried to reconfigure with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-Xfree68 and that hasn't worked. should i try the others? |
| 23:19.22 | fishy | i'll try that |
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| 23:19.35 | gravity | jodathmorr: Are you using the framebuffer? |
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| 23:19.41 | Blissex | jodathmorr: yes, try 'xf86config', it's probably simple enough. |
| 23:20.05 | Blissex | jodathmorr: in any case, paste again in #flood, I missed your stuff. |
| 23:20.13 | jodathmorr | ok |
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| 23:20.37 | jodathmorr | pasted |
| 23:20.44 | hacim | I just did make config;make all; make install in the newest pcmcia-cs source for my kernel, but it gives me some dependency errors, how come? |
| 23:21.03 | gravity | jodathmorr: Re-run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and this time say "no" to the framebuffer question |
| 23:21.11 | nania | Blissex: I have an old Gateway 2000 sitting around somewhere with 64MB of Ram and a 400MB hard drive, how does kde/gnome run on a 486/66 with those resources? Will it make a decent browser workstation or do I need a bigger disk? |
| 23:21.18 | Blissex | jodathmorr: it says you haven't got a Savage card. Paste to #flood the output of 'lspci | egrep vga'. |
| 23:21.23 | Blissex | jodathmorr: it says you haven't got a Savage card. Paste to #flood the output of 'lspci | egrep -i vga'. |
| 23:21.26 | jodathmorr | gravity: i have but ill try again. anything else i shou? |
| 23:21.30 | LrdMyren | nania: its just too slow, its not the disk |
| 23:21.37 | hacim | I shouldn't be getting Unresolved symbols from a depmod when I install the pcmcia-cs stuff should I? |
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| 23:22.17 | Blissex | nania: you need more memory. If you use KNoppix (which is not popular with the people here :->) you don't need a disk. But KDE does require lots of memory. |
| 23:22.21 | gravity | jodathmorr: You can also install discover and it'll autodetect your video card. While you're at it, install read-edid and mdetect. Then run dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 23:22.29 | jodathmorr | pasted |
| 23:22.31 | krystal | hi. Is there a debian package for quake2 CTF ? |
| 23:23.10 | Blissex | nania: if you can do without KDE, there are lots of alternatives that fit in very little memory. |
| 23:23.27 | LrdMyren | even still though, your browsing experience will be a bit on the slow side |
| 23:23.34 | gravity | jodathmorr: Is there a file called /proc/fb? |
| 23:23.36 | Blissex | krystal: there are QuakeIIForge packages for Debian, depending on release. |
| 23:23.46 | Hans-GNU | i need to unistall a program .. but i don't how do remove a program that i did make install to install ... waht i need to do to remove that prgram tha i used make install to install ? |
| 23:24.10 | Blissex | jodathmorr: it looks like the SAVAGE driver in the Xfree86 version you use does not support the ProSavage8 KM266/KL266. |
| 23:24.16 | jodathmorr | gravity: no |
| 23:24.20 | gravity | jodathmorr: Ok, good |
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| 23:24.37 | krystal | Blissex: How to install them ? Is there a CTF mode ? |
| 23:24.40 | fishy | hmm, how do I setup a serial VT-100 connection to a remote computer? |
| 23:24.44 | gravity | jodathmorr: The problem with the no screens found error is almost always saying yes to the framebuffer question when you're not using it |
| 23:24.52 | jodathmorr | Blissex: what do you suggest i do? |
| 23:25.01 | nania | LrdMyron: Do you know this from experience or are you speculating? |
| 23:25.09 | icecold | Hans-GNU: Check the Makefile and then del from there. |
| 23:25.09 | jodathmorr | gravity: well i remember disabling them but ill try again |
| 23:25.18 | gravity | jodathmorr: Try it with the VESA driver as well |
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| 23:25.22 | gravity | jodathmorr: That'll make sure. |
| 23:25.28 | jodathmorr | gravity: ok |
| 23:25.36 | Blissex | jodathmorr: there are two possibilities here: you switch to the FB or VESA drivers, or you get a newer SAVAGE driver if it exists, or if possible, you try to tell the driver to accept the card regardless. |
| 23:25.41 | Hans-GNU | icecold, after this i need to do what? |
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| 23:25.57 | jodathmorr | ok well let me try those other things first |
| 23:26.01 | jodathmorr | be back in a few |
| 23:26.06 | hacim | anyone know how to get a USB keyboard to work? I plug it in, and it is recognized, but I can't type on it |
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| 23:26.28 | icecold | Hans-GNU: You installed the files from compiling. This is controlled by the Makefile. Find in the Makefile where it has make install rules and see where the files went. Then delete. |
| 23:26.40 | Blissex | krystal: you install the Quake2 packages as with any other Debian package. And it is a full Quake2 package, minus the proprietary levels of course. |
| 23:26.59 | nania | Blissex: I'm listening. What GUI will give me sound and .mpg support for my mozilla? |
| 23:27.03 | Blissex | hacim: have you tried enabling the USB keyboard in the BIOS? |
| 23:27.20 | Toolah | Morning all! I can't use dcd to play audio cd's as any user besides root. How am I supposed to set my permissions please? I have added my user to the audio group |
| 23:27.23 | hacim | Blissex: hmmm, good question... when I plug in the USB device, it is recognized by linux however |
| 23:27.26 | Blissex | nania: that's not question of GUI... |
| 23:27.30 | hacim | Blissex: I mean something is printed out |
| 23:27.39 | LrdMyren | nania: any window manager. kde is but one of many window managers, it doesnt dictate how programs interact with the graphic system though, they just dictate how your windows look, how they're made pretty. |
| 23:27.41 | Hans-GNU | icecold, only deleting files ... i don't have other choice to unistall the program ..? |
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| 23:28.01 | Blissex | hacim: wait a sec: when you say the USB keuyboard does not work, what do you mean? To make it work in X you have to add it explicitly. |
| 23:28.13 | icecold | Hans-GNU: Not when you install by binary. Unless there is some make uninstall rule shown in the makefile. |
| 23:28.37 | hacim | Blissex: well, it does't work in the console, and I am not sure how to enable it in X |
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| 23:28.42 | icecold | Hans-GNU: It is easiest to use a package manager like apt in Debian. |
| 23:28.55 | Blissex | nania: There are lots and lots of ``CD_ROM'' based minidistros that you can use on a machine like that. At one extreme DamnSmallLinux, but that won't even have Mozilla (it uses Dillo, which is way smaller). |
| 23:29.00 | Ste41th | ok debian crashed |
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| 23:29.04 | hacim | Ste41th: ok |
| 23:29.16 | ciga | why grub does not have dhcp command as the manual says? |
| 23:29.17 | billh | Anybody have a recommendation for a p4 + motherboard combination ? |
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| 23:29.25 | Ste41th | installing pcimcia packages |
| 23:29.44 | hacim | Ste41th: ok |
| 23:29.50 | Hans-GNU | icecold,, thanks ... i will search more about it ... |
| 23:29.56 | icecold | yep |
| 23:30.01 | Ste41th | hacim: ok |
| 23:30.02 | Blissex | nania: There are mini distros like Movix that are specifically for watching DVDs and movies. |
| 23:30.08 | Toolah | my /dev/cdrom is a link to hdb and is user root group root - should I chgrp of this to cdrom? |
| 23:30.31 | hacim | how can I get my USB keyboard to work in the console or in X? |
| 23:31.02 | icecold | Toolah: If you're trying to get non-root access to work. |
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| 23:31.41 | linuxfreck | Toolah: compile hid support into the kernel |
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| 23:32.07 | Blissex | hacim: in X you have to add it to XF86Config, if you want both it and the PS2 keyboard to work. There are examples with the sample XF86Config. |
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| 23:32.40 | thomas_adam | Evening, all. |
| 23:32.44 | nania | LrdMyron: What if I want the convenience of Debian updates on a mini-distro, what do I do then? Do I just identify the packages and use apt-get install? |
| 23:32.52 | Blissex | nania: have a look at MoviX at <http://movix.sourceforge.net/> |
| 23:32.59 | luc_ | any one using a wireless keyboard and mouse ? |
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| 23:33.45 | Blissex | hacim: also, for the USB keyboard, make sure you have ``basic'' input support compiled into the kernel. |
| 23:33.47 | nania | Blissex: I was there and it looked pretty good. |
| 23:33.51 | hacim | luc_: I'm trying to set that up now |
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| 23:33.52 | LrdMyren | nania: why mini-distro? debians pretty mini. i just did a 120 meg install |
| 23:34.01 | luc_ | I would like to know if a wireless keyboard can be user to install debian |
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| 23:34.22 | cmf | luc_: i'm using a wireless mouse |
| 23:34.29 | nania | LrdMyren: What did you install? |
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| 23:34.35 | hacim | Blissex: is that in the input core section? |
| 23:34.36 | Blissex | LrdMyren: for one thing the !"£$% Debin package systems loads the whole frigging package list in memory. Doing a Debian install on a machine with little memory takes forever. |
| 23:34.39 | luc_ | cmf: at install time? |
| 23:34.41 | cmf | luc_: uses IMPS/2 in xfconfig-2 |
| 23:34.49 | Toolah | icecold, I want to be able to play audio cd's as a user. I am a newb and don't want to break anything - if I run "chgrp -c cdrom /dev/cdrom" will it enable users to play cd's without breaking anything? |
| 23:34.51 | cmf | luc_: nope, addition afterwards |
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| 23:35.04 | luc_ | cmf: ah ok |
| 23:35.16 | LrdMyren | Blissex: yeah, i had to run a debian 2.2 (potato) install for this 32 meg machine |
| 23:35.19 | luc_ | cmf: it is RF ? |
| 23:35.21 | Blissex | LrdMyren: also, the mini distros are often Debian based. The particular skill is that the authors have tried many apps and selected those thathave smallest size for good functionality. |
| 23:35.21 | icecold | Toolah: Need to make sure users are in cdrom group |
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| 23:35.29 | cmf | luc_: yeps |
| 23:35.33 | luc_ | cmf: the receiver is USB |
| 23:35.41 | cmf | nope, ps2 |
| 23:35.54 | luc_ | cmf: ok |
| 23:36.15 | glLoadIdentity | is there a way to fix my broken postgresql installation ? apt-get install-remove with -f fails , is there a fix-it-magically parameter for apt ? |
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| 23:36.40 | Blissex | OOOPS, I gotta reboot now. See you later... |
| 23:36.47 | nania | Blissex: Are you saying that most mini-distros can be updated with apt? |
| 23:36.57 | thomas_adam | glLoadIdentity: dpkg --force-override remove /var/lib/info/dpkg/foo packagename |
| 23:36.59 | Styxs | #blender |
| 23:37.02 | pvdh | Hi all, can anyone help me installing 3d-hardware on debian unstable? |
| 23:37.06 | luc_ | hacim: RF ? |
| 23:37.11 | Blissex | nania: I am saying that _some_ can. Even DamnSmallLinux if you get the separate package list... |
| 23:37.13 | DeltaEx | Enter CD ROM device file |
| 23:37.22 | DeltaEx | a make /dev/cdrom |
| 23:37.28 | DeltaEx | but not work |
| 23:37.33 | Blissex | nania: knoppix and Bonzai surely can. |
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| 23:37.48 | luc_ | glLoadIdentity: it is something like --fix-missing. check the man page |
| 23:38.18 | glLoadIdentity | luc_: thought it was about apt-get update |
| 23:39.16 | luc_ | glLoadIdentity: sorry my fault |
| 23:39.25 | pvdh | Any help relating mesa? |
| 23:39.34 | hacim | I've got an AMD 800mhz machine, which processor do I select in the kernel config? |
| 23:39.40 | hacim | K6? |
| 23:40.04 | pvdh | hacim: sounds like K7 to me |
| 23:40.12 | linuxfreck | hacim: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:40.26 | pvdh | hacim: k7 would mean "duron or athlon" |
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| 23:40.42 | linuxfreck | hacim: check what "model name:" says |
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| 23:40.48 | nania | Blissex: I'm going to look into the damn small linux install. |
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| 23:40.55 | luc_ | linux running well on AMD? |
| 23:40.59 | nania | Blissex: Thanks, man. |
| 23:41.27 | pvdh | luc_: no reason why it shouldn't |
| 23:42.07 | Toolah | iceman, still didn't work. "cat /etc/group | grep mick" shows me in the audio and cdrom group and "ls -la /dev/cdrom" says it is 777 and still I can not even eject the cdrom. If it is not permissions, what else could it be? |
| 23:42.22 | LoRez | Toolah: run groups |
| 23:42.23 | nicolas | Im looking for the driver my ethernet card made by us robotics for DELL |
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| 23:42.38 | nania | LrdMyren: I'm really interested in the 120MB install you did. How big was the root and did you combine it with the /usr partition and make a separate /var? |
| 23:42.41 | luc_ | pvdh: well I heard AMD in general was not as good as Intel. Don ´t know if it is true. Never had one. |
| 23:43.02 | nicolas | there is a difference in the us robotics modl # and what is on the dell website |
| 23:43.20 | Toolah | LoRez, I don't have a /etc/groups file, just /etc/group |
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| 23:43.22 | nicolas | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.28 | nicolas | any one can help? |
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| 23:43.39 | LoRez | Toolah: I didn't tell you to look at /etc/groups, I told you to run groups |
| 23:44.00 | cafuego | LoRez: Nah, that's just fud. |
| 23:44.08 | cafuego | s/lores/luc_/ |
| 23:44.14 | Toolah | I have never heard of "groups" but looking into it - sorry for the confusion |
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| 23:44.49 | cafuego | luc_: in general AMD gives you more performance for your dollar, by a LOT. |
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| 23:45.01 | luc_ | cafuego: so AMD == INTEL ? |
| 23:45.06 | jodathmorr | new error :) |
| 23:45.07 | cafuego | luc_: No. |
| 23:45.07 | glLoadIdentity | thomas_adam: dpkg --force-help says that there is no option called override |
| 23:45.20 | Toolah | LoRez, iceman, as my user I am in mick, cdrom and audio groups |
| 23:45.22 | cafuego | luc_: AMD cpus can run x86 code, yes. |
| 23:45.22 | luc_ | cafuego: so AMD > INTEL ? |
| 23:45.35 | cafuego | luc_: Depends on what you do with it. |
| 23:45.52 | luc_ | cafuego: desktop under Linux |
| 23:46.13 | cafuego | luc_: My 2GHz AthlonXP is much faster and cheaper than a 2.4GHz P4. |
| 23:46.21 | pvdh | luc_: AMD-cpus can get hotter then intel, which can be a problem if you want to build extremly quite or small hardware or if you are planning to put 100 in a room. That's about it. |
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| 23:46.22 | luc_ | cafuego: cool |
| 23:46.28 | fatal_ | imo Intel hardware is more stable then AMD parts... |
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| 23:47.03 | cafuego | luc_: I use it as a desktop workstation, runs fine, never crashes. |
| 23:47.13 | tarzeau | anyone wants to work porting packages to Debian GNU/Hurd ? |
| 23:47.14 | luc_ | cafuego: I was planning to build a system with 2600 ADM |
| 23:47.15 | Toolah | LoRez, iceman, When I run "eject" I get error "eject: unable to open `/dev/cdrom'" |
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| 23:47.31 | luc_ | cafuego: ok thx |
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| 23:47.32 | cafuego | luc_: *nod* should run very nicely. |
| 23:47.46 | skiltz | hi! |
| 23:48.01 | luc_ | cafuego: what does *nod* mean? |
| 23:48.11 | cafuego | luc_: *knikt* |
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| 23:48.17 | skiltz | someone know the Debian French chan? |
| 23:48.19 | as13 | tarzeau why to port? |
| 23:48.24 | cafuego | !|french |
| 23:48.28 | cafuego | !+french |
| 23:48.28 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:48.31 | luc_ | cafuego: dutch speaking? Cool |
| 23:48.37 | cafuego | luc_: Hmmja :-) |
| 23:48.41 | skiltz | thank! |
| 23:48.44 | skiltz | exit |
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| 23:48.52 | luc_ | cafuego: from Belgium ? |
| 23:49.15 | cafuego | luc_: Nah, originally dutch, but moved to australia 7 years ago. |
| 23:49.16 | tarzeau | as13: Debian GNU/Hurd does not have /dev/random or /proc |
| 23:49.23 | tarzeau | as13: or netstat, some tools rely on them |
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| 23:49.35 | tarzeau | as13: there's plenty software that doesn't compile, or compiles but doesn't run |
| 23:49.40 | LoRez | Toolah: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 23:49.43 | tarzeau | as13: are you interested? |
| 23:49.51 | luc_ | cafuego: well I life near Maastricht so |
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| 23:50.14 | as13 | tarzeau GNU/Hurd is considered stable already ? in what its better? |
| 23:50.28 | luc_ | cafuego: any chance you know supported WLAN cards for Debian Linux? |
| 23:50.37 | tarzeau | as13: http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/index.cgi |
| 23:50.41 | cafuego | luc_: Any PRISM2 or orinoco card |
| 23:50.53 | luc_ | cafuego: ok thx |
| 23:51.04 | as13 | tarzeau ill look at it |
| 23:51.17 | fishy | whats the /dev name for the first serial port? |
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| 23:51.21 | cafuego | fishy: ttyS0 |
| 23:51.25 | fishy | thanks |
| 23:51.37 | luc_ | cafuego: do you perhaps know if wireless keyboard and mouse (RF) work while installing Debian? |
| 23:51.54 | LoRez | luc_: they work fine, they act just like normal mice and kbs |
| 23:52.35 | luc_ | LoRez: at install time? Nothing particular you to do? Load modules...? |
| 23:53.09 | cafuego | luc_: depends on if they're USB |
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| 23:54.43 | Toolah | LoRez, I pasted it into #flood |
| 23:54.55 | LoRez | Toolah: too bad I'm not there, huh? |
| 23:55.04 | luc_ | cafuego: yes the receiver uses USB |
| 23:55.11 | Toolah | LoRez, just following chennel rules ... |
| 23:55.24 | luc_ | cafuego: so I need to load the USB module then if not auto loaded |
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| 23:55.43 | LoRez | Toolah: you should check to see if the intended recipient is in there first, don't you think? |
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| 23:56.26 | Toolah | LoRez, its Sunday morning here, not thinking yet, sorry 'bout that |
| 23:56.46 | nania | LrdMyren: I didn't see a reply. Scroll up and provide the details on the min Debian you did. |
| 23:56.57 | Toolah | Thinkpad:/etc# ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 23:56.58 | Toolah | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Jan 13 10:47 /dev/cdrom -> hdb |
| 23:57.07 | LoRez | Toolah: you can paste the one line that it output here. |
| 23:57.35 | LoRez | you have your cdrom slaved to your primary harddrive? |
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| 23:58.31 | Toolah | LoRez, laptop - never cracked it open |
| 23:58.53 | LoRez | Toolah: what makes you think the cdrom is on hdb? |
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| 23:59.38 | icecold | Toolah: Does it work as root? |
| 23:59.39 | Toolah | err - cause I can play cd's as root and eject /dev/hdb as root spits out the drink coasters? |
| 23:59.46 | mbmaster | I have searched for the sourcecode for the Debian installer floppies, but I haven't found anything except that it should be in the package boot-floppies, but where can i find that? |
| 23:59.57 | Ruglia | how can you fix it when the cursor jumps everywhere when using the mouse? It's a touchpad on a laptop. |
| 23:59.58 | LoRez | Toolah: what are the permissions on /dev/hdb? |
