| 00:00.05 | Justin_ | or a 'related' field, so you would have like usbmouse->mice->X |
| 00:00.13 | bob2 | kandinski: you look in /var/log/aptitude.log. assuming you're using aptitude, which is a Good Idea. |
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| 00:00.21 | simonrvn | daily irssi log rotation.. |
| 00:00.22 | Justin_ | and X problem->X and set up x->X |
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| 00:01.20 | kandinski | bob2: no, I was using apt-get from the command line, but will check out aptitude when I have fixed the problem |
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| 00:01.40 | bob2 | kandinski: go read the bts now. |
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| 00:01.51 | Justin_ | alias apt-get=aptitude :-) |
| 00:02.00 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 00:02.30 | Justin_ | the only thing that sucks for is search |
| 00:02.45 | bob2 | apt-get doesn't search at all |
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| 00:03.09 | kandinski | bob2: sorry to be so thick but what is bts? |
| 00:03.12 | |paco| | lo all |
| 00:03.17 | cafuego | !bts |
| 00:03.18 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts, too |
| 00:03.25 | kandinski | the dpkg bot is cool, though |
| 00:03.27 | kandinski | ok |
| 00:03.29 | bob2 | kandinski: /msg dpkg bts |
| 00:03.32 | |paco| | how can i know lsdev from which package is part of ? |
| 00:03.32 | kandinski | !aptitude |
| 00:03.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 00:03.35 | bob2 | kandinski: as I said earlier. |
| 00:03.40 | kandinski | ok, I think I am getting it |
| 00:03.55 | Justin_ | like: alias aco='apt-cache show';alias acs='apt-cache search';alias agi='aptitude install';alias agr='aptitude remove';alias upd='apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade -u -y -d' |
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| 00:04.08 | Sebulba02 | ugh, the lazyness.. |
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| 00:04.39 | bob2 | deadcat: can you by .us domains? |
| 00:05.07 | deadcat | bob2: buy? i think so. |
| 00:05.23 | simonrvn | or a .wee |
| 00:05.29 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:05.34 | kandinski | thanks, will check out the bts and report back |
| 00:05.34 | bob2 | haha |
| 00:05.38 | simonrvn | ehehe |
| 00:05.40 | akusarujin | if i wanted an entry in /etc/fstab to be mountable _and_ unmountable by a user, i would user 'user' as an option, is there a way to force it to mount as a specific uid? e.g. uid="foo" |
| 00:05.41 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.44 | bda | It would make me happy if .pl wasn't such a pain in the ass to get. |
| 00:05.46 | simonrvn | yup |
| 00:05.49 | cafuego | !.yu |
| 00:05.51 | simonrvn | i think |
| 00:05.59 | simonrvn | @yu? |
| 00:06.01 | ravenbird | yu are gay ? |
| 00:06.06 | cafuego | hahaha |
| 00:06.07 | deadcat | bob2: thats my school's domain.. they are too lazy to change everything .us to .edu... (= |
| 00:06.08 | bda | ravenbird: LOLZ GOOD ONE |
| 00:06.08 | ravenbird | no idea, bda |
| 00:06.12 | bob2 | deadcat: ah |
| 00:06.13 | Justin_ | yeah, aptitude search is bout 5 times slower than apt-cache search still |
| 00:06.13 | cafuego | simonrvn: You've brought your child up wrong |
| 00:06.18 | bda | .pl costs like $200 US and requires faxing. |
| 00:06.29 | bda | Or did a couple years ago. |
| 00:06.31 | bob2 | akusarujin: what does "mount it as a particular user" mean? |
| 00:06.33 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: not to mention the cache load time... |
| 00:06.57 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: well its only annoyin when you have to do a bunch of searches, so it's in ram after the first one |
| 00:06.57 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: "sue.me"? |
| 00:06.58 | simonrvn | cafuego: i try to teach it well but sometimes the influence in here is bad |
| 00:07.04 | akusarujin | bob2, force it to mount with permissions set to a specified uid.. |
| 00:07.06 | Justin_ | i think its because aptitude reads the status too and cross references it |
| 00:07.10 | |paco| | ehm lsdev of which package is a part of ? |
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| 00:07.17 | bda | akusarujin: Remove exec perms for `mount', `unmount' for the world, add them to some group that has exec rights to those binaries? |
| 00:07.27 | deadcat | apt-file is like !+find right? |
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| 00:07.41 | simonrvn | although the speed of the cache reading has improved. it's actually bearable now |
| 00:07.42 | hacim | deadcat: dunno, apt-file update doesn't work for me :( |
| 00:07.43 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: i find aptitude most confusing when it makes new screens |
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| 00:07.45 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nah, it more like a zgrep Contents.gz |
| 00:07.47 | bob2 | akusarujin: huh? read the mount manpage. for unix filesystems that makes no sense, for broken windows ones, there's an option. |
| 00:07.52 | Justin_ | i tend to just run it from the command line |
| 00:07.53 | akusarujin | bob2, basically my problem is that i have a samba mount that's mounting, with the option "user", and for some reason my user can mount it but can't unmount it, which has *never* happened before |
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| 00:07.56 | deadcat | o.. |
| 00:08.00 | lewis | hey |
| 00:08.03 | eeyore- | anybody uses fwbuilder here? just looking for some sort of "vote of confidence" |
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| 00:08.11 | lewis | i have exim4 and need some help - trying to do some local routing... |
| 00:08.15 | bda | akusarujin: I've never had that problem (as a user) with smbmount. |
| 00:08.17 | bob2 | eeyore-: shorewall! |
| 00:08.19 | bda | Weird. |
| 00:08.20 | thomas_adam | eeyore-: come on, eeyore- -- you can do it! |
| 00:08.22 | lewis | I think you I have a file in this format : "something@something2.com: some_local_account" (one by line) |
| 00:08.24 | Justin_ | eeyore-: i like gshield |
| 00:08.25 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: hrm... dunno.. the select all lib packages and make them unistallable unless something directly depends on them feature is kind of cool... |
| 00:08.28 | lewis | is that possible, and how do I do it? |
| 00:08.30 | akusarujin | bda, me either, but i need to fix it.. |
| 00:08.30 | simonrvn | eeyore-: overly complex, but ok i suppose if you have such a need |
| 00:08.37 | thomas_adam | eeyore-: my vote of confidence :) |
| 00:08.43 | bda | akusarujin: Is the share in use? |
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| 00:08.48 | akusarujin | bda, no |
| 00:08.56 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: i usually mark them as automatically installed |
| 00:08.56 | bob2 | lewis: you mean virtual mail accounts? |
| 00:08.57 | bda | fuser -v the dir to be sure? |
| 00:09.00 | lewis | er |
| 00:09.03 | akusarujin | $ lsof /mnt/backup |
| 00:09.04 | lewis | hey bob2 - long time |
| 00:09.04 | modconf | i don't know, akusarujin |
| 00:09.05 | akusarujin | nothing |
| 00:09.06 | lewis | I think so - yeh |
| 00:09.13 | thomas_adam | lewis: hello. |
| 00:09.13 | bob2 | lewis: stable still? |
| 00:09.13 | lewis | how do I setup virtual mail accounts in exim4? |
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| 00:09.18 | akusarujin | bda, that wasdirected towards you |
| 00:09.23 | bda | akusarujin: I assumed. |
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| 00:09.29 | bob2 | lewis: google for "exim virtual accounts", there are a bazillion howtos out there. |
| 00:09.33 | lewis | thomas_adam: wow - even longer |
| 00:09.36 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: yeah, that's what I mean... |
| 00:09.38 | thomas_adam | lewis: hehehe |
| 00:09.41 | thomas_adam | lewis: indeed |
| 00:09.44 | lewis | ok |
| 00:09.46 | lewis | searching google |
| 00:09.51 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: yeah, thats why I use aptitude install and never apt-get install |
| 00:09.58 | bda | akusarujin: Dunno. Weird. :P |
| 00:10.03 | thomas_adam | lewis: how's deepest London? |
| 00:10.05 | bda | What's Samba say remotely? |
| 00:10.12 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: I always forget about the 8 billion python2.X packages out there... |
| 00:10.17 | akusarujin | bda, indeed... what do you mean by what does it say remotely? |
| 00:10.31 | lewis | thanks man - tis good |
| 00:10.34 | lewis | need to sleep soon though |
| 00:10.40 | bda | akusarujin: Samba logs on the server? |
| 00:10.41 | thomas_adam | lewis: heh, me too. |
| 00:10.46 | bda | Up the debug level? |
| 00:10.48 | bda | This is just guessery. |
| 00:10.51 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: I prefer Ruby. |
| 00:10.52 | akusarujin | bda, the error message is strange ''umount: only root can unmount //vesper/backup from /mnt/backup'' when _my user_ mounted it that's just strange... |
| 00:10.56 | thomas_adam | *cough* |
| 00:10.58 | eeyore- | Justin_: interesting, thanks |
| 00:11.00 | bda | Can root unmount the share? (assume so..) |
| 00:11.01 | bda | Huh. |
| 00:11.12 | Justin_ | eeyore-: i use shorewall too, but gshield is lots easier to set up |
| 00:11.16 | bda | What are the perms on umount? |
| 00:11.16 | akusarujin | bda, yes, of course.. but my user can't even though it mounted it.. :/ |
| 00:11.19 | deadcat | anyone uses bittorrent? can you block the upload? (= |
| 00:11.23 | bda | deadcat: Yes. |
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| 00:11.29 | deadcat | bda: iptableS? |
| 00:11.38 | bda | deadcat: No, it's a switch on the Python script. |
| 00:11.40 | petemc | deadcat: dont do that |
| 00:11.42 | bda | --max-upload-limit or something. |
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| 00:11.48 | bda | Though if you do that your dl will suffer, iirc. |
| 00:12.04 | deadcat | petemc: bda: i have to set it to 3. |
| 00:12.05 | bob21 | drool, http://echelon1.mit.edu/index.html |
| 00:12.15 | petemc | deadcat: whats wrong with sharing? |
| 00:12.21 | akusarujin | bda, the perms are read/execute for all users and write for root |
| 00:12.25 | cafuego | Fucking updates on 6 boxes gets bloody boring |
| 00:12.26 | lewis | http://jamm.sourceforge.net/howto/single-html/mailserver.html - argh confused |
| 00:12.27 | deadcat | petemc: 56k. |
| 00:12.36 | petemc | deadcat: so? |
| 00:12.38 | bda | Async links make for crap use. |
| 00:12.40 | thomas_adam | lewis: want some help? |
| 00:12.45 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh. I wrote a script to build all of the kernels for me... |
| 00:12.49 | bda | petemc: His dl will die, interactive sessions become unusable, etc, etc. |
| 00:13.00 | bda | Because the egress ACKs flood the upstream. Heh. |
| 00:13.04 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: I had make-kpkg building for a few hours... |
| 00:13.04 | petemc | bda: yeah, thats bittorrent |
| 00:13.10 | bda | Sure is. :P |
| 00:13.13 | lewis | thomas_adam: I might just |
| 00:13.14 | deadcat | bda: also. can i closethe connection on after the download it done? |
| 00:13.21 | lewis | someone in #exim is trying to help though |
| 00:13.21 | bda | deadcat: Yes. |
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| 00:13.27 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Yeah, what with the new supposed rootbug I'll be doing that *again* too. |
| 00:13.27 | eeyore- | bob2: shorewall belongs to a class of "language" -> iptables commands right? |
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| 00:13.53 | eeyore- | bob2: found the shorewall homepage but couldn't find a sample file/script in 2 minutes |
| 00:14.11 | Justin_ | eeyore-: its under the documentation |
| 00:14.17 | lewis | thomas_adam: hang in there |
| 00:14.26 | thomas_adam | lewis: /msg me if you like |
| 00:14.35 | thomas_adam | lewis: I'll clear some special dispensation for you :) |
| 00:14.35 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, that was just today... I have all the configs in one directory, and slap the config in the sourcedir, run make-kpkg as appropriate, rinse, wash, repeat. |
| 00:14.44 | bob2 | eeyore-: it has a set of config files where you describe your network, then it generates iptables calls from it. the samples are quite thorough. |
| 00:15.06 | bob2 | !info scrollkeeper sid |
| 00:15.06 | deadcat | bda: using btdownloadcurses.py right? aint no manpage. |
| 00:15.08 | eeyore- | bob2 & justin_: hmm, interesting, too :-) |
| 00:15.12 | dpkg | scrollkeeper: (A free electronic cataloging system for documentation), section doc, is optional. Version: 0.3.14-2 (sid), Packaged size: 122 kB, Installed size: 1356 kB |
| 00:15.25 | eeyore- | i like the (easy?) blacklisting scripts |
| 00:15.34 | bda | deadcat: Try running btdownloadcurses.py with no arguments. |
| 00:15.38 | Justin_ | gshield is simpler like that, you just put ips andports in files |
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| 00:15.42 | bda | eg ./btdownloadcurses.py |
| 00:15.42 | Justin_ | like echo 22 >> open_ports |
| 00:15.48 | deadcat | bda: oh ya.. that hehe |
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| 00:16.31 | simonrvn | i just may install one of those again, this script is useful, but hard to debug.. |
| 00:17.34 | kandinski | ehem, no bug report on pppd |
| 00:17.39 | eeyore- | simonrvn: this script is thorough, but author seems to have been on the Rover mission to Mars |
| 00:17.48 | Trevie | Anyone know where I can get libvorbisfile.so.3? |
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| 00:18.01 | simonrvn | eeyore-: heh. which one i that? |
| 00:18.06 | bob2 | Trevie: you're using woody? with some crap kde backport? |
| 00:18.08 | eeyore- | simonrvn: fwup :) |
| 00:18.37 | kandinski | still, I plan to take the pppd files from knoppix and drop them in their respective places in my Sid HD install. Will this break apt-get too badly? |
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| 00:18.42 | deadcat | bda: i dont see the option to close after finish. |
| 00:18.44 | simonrvn | eeyore-: ah. my script is a severely hacked one i got from one of those "create your own iptables script" sites |
| 00:18.49 | bob2 | kandinski: yes. |
| 00:18.58 | bda | deadcat: Didn't realize you meant automagically, sorry. |
| 00:18.59 | bob2 | kandinski: downgrade pppd and see if it helps |
| 00:19.00 | eeyore- | Justin_: i see gshield is not in debian, and on its homepage the "debian" word is crossed out. what's the fallout? |
| 00:19.01 | bda | nafaik. |
| 00:19.06 | deadcat | k |
| 00:19.12 | Justin_ | eeyore-: i dunno, it used to be packaged |
| 00:19.16 | simonrvn | eeyore-: wtf? it was last time i used it |
| 00:19.19 | Justin_ | eeyore-: i think it was orphaned |
| 00:19.23 | Trevie | bob2: Yes, Woody. |
| 00:19.35 | bob2 | Trevie: actually woody or woody with some other packages? |
| 00:19.35 | Justin_ | Maintainer: Debian QA Group <packages@qa.debian.org> |
| 00:19.37 | kandinski | bob2: I can't do that because I can't connect from there. |
| 00:19.40 | simonrvn | ah |
| 00:19.51 | Trevie | bob2: I've downloaded a lot of extra packages if that's what you mean. |
| 00:19.59 | kandinski | I have to fix it from here (the livecd) |
| 00:20.02 | simonrvn | @maint gshield |
| 00:20.10 | Trevie | bob2: I'm trying to run StepMAnia and it wants libvorbisfile.so.3, amongst other files. |
| 00:20.31 | bob21 | i guess nobody looked at the link i pasted. snif |
| 00:20.32 | bob2 | kandinski: so...download it with knoppix. |
| 00:20.41 | bob2 | Trevie: from outside woody or not? |
| 00:20.47 | simonrvn | wtf? |
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| 00:21.11 | Trevie | bob2: I'm not sure what you mean. |
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| 00:21.29 | mwilson | ah, last kernel to build... |
| 00:21.30 | kandinski | so, I download what exactly? |
| 00:21.34 | thomas_adam | bob2 and bob21..... |
| 00:21.38 | bob2 | Trevie: are you using "woody" or "woody with a pile of other crap from outside Debian"? |
| 00:21.44 | gratuit | anyone know of a good resource for X programming? (something with tutorials preferably) |
| 00:22.04 | bob2 | kandinski: snapshot.debian.net, get pppd from last week |
| 00:22.08 | Trevie | bob2: Woody with a pile of Woody packages. The only outside things are new kernels. |
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| 00:22.15 | hinjo | If i'm missing a file (libstsc++-lib6.1-1.so.2) what do I do to retrieve it. what package do I download or how do I find out which package to download |
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| 00:22.20 | bob2 | Trevie: ok. |
| 00:22.25 | bob2 | !+redhat crap |
| 00:22.25 | dpkg | redhat crap is probably 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid) |
| 00:22.29 | Trevie | bob2: StepMania isn't Woody, either. |
| 00:22.33 | thomas_adam | hinjo: symlink the name to the lib in question |
| 00:22.37 | bob2 | thomas_adam: NO |
| 00:22.50 | thomas_adam | bob2: hahaha, you misunderstand my humour :) |
| 00:22.52 | tam | !kill bob2 |
| 00:22.56 | thomas_adam | bob2: I am evil :) |
| 00:23.00 | bob2 | hinjo: download that package. |
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| 00:23.15 | bob2 | symlinking it will lead to random, untracable segfaults. |
| 00:23.28 | bob2 | tam: I AM IMMORTAL. |
| 00:23.39 | Justin_ | !kill -9 bob2 |
| 00:23.42 | Justin_ | heh |
| 00:23.48 | tam | bob2: you shall become a mortal soon enough ! |
| 00:24.02 | thomas_adam | ~fix bob2 |
| 00:24.06 | | ACTION takes bob2 to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 00:24.06 | cafuego | !cricket Justin_ |
| 00:24.14 | tam | has sound been put in 2.6 so that you can forward it over a network yet or do you still have to do loads of pokery? |
| 00:24.31 | bob2 | tam: esd/nas/arts |
| 00:24.39 | bob2 | kernel network sound is pointless. |
| 00:24.45 | bob2 | LoRez: it was for a worthy cause! |
| 00:25.11 | tam | bob2: OK ta. |
| 00:25.25 | hinjo | bob2: what package? |
| 00:25.25 | LoRez | bob2: I just wanted to make sure you weren't about to claim that you were a McLeoud (sp?) |
| 00:25.32 | unixfool` | how can i tell diff to ignore certain directories while diff'n recursively (like "CVS") |
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| 00:25.47 | bob2 | hinjo: the one the bot told you about |
| 00:25.52 | bob2 | hinjo: /msg dpkg redhat crap |
| 00:25.56 | bob2 | unixfool`: yes, -x |
| 00:26.21 | unixfool` | bob2: AAHH, it was in there ;) thx |
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| 00:26.36 | kandinski | bob2: I am aware that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but would it work if I chrooted to my HD Sid, then apt-get or dpkg downgrade from there? |
| 00:26.47 | bob2 | kandinski: yes, good idea. |
| 00:28.11 | hinjo | bob2: what does symlink do? |
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| 00:29.34 | spuer | who |
| 00:29.37 | mwilson | I need a faster box to use for a firewall. :) |
| 00:29.38 | spuer | :D |
| 00:30.23 | bda | eg, running etherape. :D |
| 00:30.29 | mwilson | Oh, I have lots of boxen. |
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| 00:30.44 | simonrvn | etherape isn't an ids |
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| 00:30.46 | bda | I haven't got enough, but at the same time, too many. |
| 00:30.54 | bda | simonrvn: "generic monitoring" |
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| 00:31.05 | bda | And technically, I meant NIDS, rather than IDS. |
| 00:31.06 | bda | :) |
| 00:31.16 | bob2 | hinjo: nevermind, just install that package. |
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| 00:31.21 | simonrvn | apt-get install snort |
| 00:31.29 | bob2 | mwilson: how fast is your connection? |
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| 00:31.33 | bda | simonrvn: Yes. Which is a NIDS, or network intrusion detection system. |
| 00:31.50 | simonrvn | so? |
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| 00:32.01 | bda | So what? |
| 00:32.07 | sgeigerbot | How do you change the default Web browser? |
| 00:32.14 | sgeigerbot | (in kde) |
| 00:32.17 | mwilson | Define "default". |
| 00:32.18 | bda | "I know what I'm talking about." "This is what you're talking about." "Yes, quite, I'm aware, thank you." :P |
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| 00:32.24 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: update-alternatives --config x-browser |
| 00:32.27 | mwilson | Oh, in KrapDE. |
| 00:32.31 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: ls -l /etc/alternatives/|grep brows |
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| 00:32.50 | spuer | apt ROOOOOOOOT |
| 00:32.51 | | spuer: no idea |
| 00:32.54 | terr1 | uhm |
| 00:33.00 | terr1 | ? |
| 00:33.00 | simonrvn | @tell difeta about root |
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| 00:34.38 | xerophyte | My linux box is not rebooting "kernel panic: no init found" deos anybody know why does this happens? |
| 00:34.48 | Heffalump | Hello. Does anyone have an mbox of debian-policy from December 2003? |
| 00:35.01 | Heffalump | xerophyte: did it suffer serious filesystem damage or similar? |
| 00:35.02 | mrkrtl | How do you "install" the ALSA driver? I used alsaconf to select the sound card but I get an error message that there is no driver installed. |
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| 00:35.24 | nomeata | Hi. How do I do a screenshot _with_ the cursor visible? (both gimp nor the gnome screenshot applet seem to hide the curser) |
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| 00:35.47 | simonrvn | xerophyte: because it can't find an init |
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| 00:36.22 | simonrvn | mrkrtl: apt-get install alsa-source, ./configure, make, sudo make install |
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| 00:36.28 | disposable | i wanto to download(jigdo) ISOs of sarge. jigdo-howto says, sarge has 8 iso images. how many of them are binary and how many src? i dont want to waste time downloading src |
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| 00:37.04 | mrkrtl | I used the Package Manager to install alsa-source, do I need to unistall it and start over? |
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| 00:37.31 | mage | mrkrtl: install a 2.6 kernel |
| 00:37.36 | mage | alsa is inside |
| 00:37.44 | xerophyte | Heffalump when i say linux noinitrd |
| 00:37.53 | mage | alsa debian package sux a little |
| 00:37.56 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:38.02 | mrkrtl | No go on the 2.6 kernel, I got into dependancy hell with that already! |
| 00:38.04 | xerophyte | simonrvn how can i fix that problem |
| 00:38.18 | mrkrtl | mage, inside what? |
| 00:38.22 | simonrvn | make sure you,re trying to mount partition as your root fs |
| 00:38.39 | mage | mrkrtl: alsa is included in the 2.6 kernel |
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| 00:39.14 | mrkrtl | But for that I'll need module-init-tools and that's where the trouble begins. |
| 00:39.26 | VynoM | hmmm... anyone recommend a good linux forum? I use justlinux.com but would like another too |
| 00:39.34 | mrkrtl | I'm using a 2.4.18-k7 kernel. |
| 00:39.36 | Heffalump | xerophyte: in what way does it boot fine if it can't find init? |
| 00:39.45 | Erik2_ | What to do to mount a floppy RESCUE disk to see what is on it? |
| 00:39.59 | terr | does anyone here know if "mail" can attach a file? |
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| 00:40.15 | xerophyte | Heffalump when reboot the box with "linux noinitrd" it booted fine but wanna fix that porblem i wanna boot normally |
| 00:40.35 | Heffalump | change the default options in lilo/grub? |
| 00:41.02 | mrkrtl | simorrvn: I don't know if that's your name (it's kind of hard to read the yellow font) but do I uninstall the alsa-source? |
| 00:41.10 | mrkrtl | And then reinstall it? |
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| 00:44.28 | petemc | Erik2_: mount -o loop -t msdos rescue.bin /mnt/dir |
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| 00:45.00 | Erik2_ | petemc: ok thanks!!! I check it.. |
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| 00:47.31 | orchid | hi, some linux email clients (gui ones) use the folder ~/mail in one format and others use the folder ~/Mail in some other format (mbox?) anyhow, is there a gui email client for debian that can read any of the most common formats and import my old mail? |
| 00:47.32 | Erik2_ | petemc: I don't remember the command to change de boot partition on a rescue... |
| 00:47.44 | bda | root=DEVICE |
| 00:48.00 | bda | eg: linux root=/dev/hda1 |
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| 00:48.09 | Justin_ | orchid: be more specific |
| 00:48.12 | mage | orchid: you have to config hat in your mail client.. |
| 00:48.30 | mage | s/hat/that |
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| 00:49.06 | Erik2_ | it's not my problem.... I just can't boot the floppy rescue :( |
| 00:49.07 | bob2 | gah |
| 00:49.11 | bob2 | reboots suck :/ |
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| 00:50.18 | Caspan | im trying to copy a 500meg file from my windows workstation to my unix server using a samba share but i keep getting this error every time about half way through "Cannot copy ..... The specified network drive is no longer avaible" how can i fix this error or what is it from? |
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| 00:50.59 | orchid | Justin_: mage, Ive used sylpheed, and balsa and evolution, all of which afik use different formats to store the email messages, I'd like to import all my email into one client that can read any format...im clueless as to how mail works in linux, but i know if i try to import old mail from balsa to evolution it fails |
| 00:51.01 | Caspan | its almost like the child process died and craped out the file move |
| 00:51.16 | Caspan | cause the share is still there when i look or try again |
| 00:51.18 | deadcat | Caspan: you own that unix server? use ssh to transfer |
| 00:51.28 | mage | orchid: try mozilla-thunderbird |
| 00:51.32 | Erik2_ | My rescue disk say: Boot Failed. ??? |
| 00:51.34 | tom | I accidentally copied over my /etc/ with the /etc/ of a RH distro that had previously existed on my machine (I was just finishing a cross-install and was putting some things like /home back when I copied more than I meant). Short of reinstalling debian from scratch, any ideas how to get the /etc/ files back to debian defaults? |
| 00:51.47 | Caspan | deadcat: tell that to other users i need network shares to work |
| 00:52.02 | deadcat | Caspan: you tell them.. (= |
| 00:52.05 | Caspan | i could do that but teaching outerhs to use it would be deadly |
| 00:52.05 | orchid | mage: ahh yeah, ok i will try it |
| 00:52.19 | xerophyte | How can i find out if server using lilo or grub for booting .? |
| 00:52.21 | deadcat | Tom: i hate to say it. but you are fucked. |
| 00:52.31 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: looking at the MBR |
| 00:52.41 | gratuit | tom: install on another amchine and copy it over? |
| 00:52.58 | unixfool` | orchid: i'd also recommend thunderbird (and IMAP if you can use it) |
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| 00:53.07 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: head -c 200 /dev/<bootdev> |less FE |
| 00:53.20 | tom | deadcat/gratuit: eh, if I'm going to install I'll reinstall on this machine... |
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| 00:53.32 | tom | gratuit: though actually... I do have two other debian machines on the LAN. |
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| 00:53.57 | bob2 | tom: could fix it. |
| 00:54.03 | bob2 | tom: but is the many hours worth it? |
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| 00:54.23 | tom | gratuit: other than hostname, what files would be different if I just copied another deb unstable /etc/ over? |
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| 00:54.46 | bda | tom: /etc/passwd, /etc/group, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:54.54 | gratuit | tom: fstab |
| 00:54.56 | tom | bob2: you mean go through and fix each file by hand? definitely not... |
| 00:54.59 | nemat0de | Anyone here try (or use) Mepis? I would like to know what you think of it... |
| 00:55.01 | bda | fstab, mtab.. yeah. |
| 00:55.22 | bda | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:55.52 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro that didnt give me good info |
| 00:56.04 | tom | gratuit: that's sounding less impossible... I just have to get it started up enough to go on the network without runlevels, etc. working right. |
| 00:56.19 | gratuit | tom: it might be easier to just backup anything you need and reinstall |
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| 00:56.25 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: you're looking at the device on which lilo would be installed, right? |
| 00:56.28 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro what swith less FE "what is FE" there |
| 00:56.34 | gratuit | tom: depending on how much that would be |
| 00:56.36 | dondelelcaro | !FE |
| 00:56.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fe is a front end. dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, eg. 'eg.' |
| 00:56.37 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro yup |
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| 00:56.59 | tom | gratuit: I suppose... most installation is mindless. the backing up would be just about nil since this was pretty freshly installed and I have things I need on another partition. |
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| 00:57.15 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: in other words, don't type the FE. |
| 00:57.49 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro that didnt give me any useful info just some stange chars |
| 00:58.07 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: if you see LILO, its lilo. If you see GRUB, its grub. |
| 00:58.19 | tom | thanks all anyway... I think a fresh install is the way to go unfortunately. |
| 00:58.19 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: if you see nothing, it's neither, or you're looking at the wrong device. |
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| 00:59.27 | deadcat | anyone else going to the Mac world expo tomorrow at moscone center at SF? |
| 00:59.37 | Sebulba02 | nope |
| 00:59.56 | mage | I'm far from SF. |
| 01:00.01 | sgeigerbot | droopy_: how are you using the usb device to encrypt your home diretory? |
| 01:00.08 | LoRez | deadcat: it'll just be you and Jobs |
| 01:00.24 | sgeigerbot | ~kill deadcat for the 9th time |
| 01:00.29 | | ACTION shoots a excited anti-positrino gun at deadcat for the 9th time |
| 01:00.29 | deadcat | LoRez: hehehe.. |
| 01:00.43 | sgeigerbot | LoRez: Jobs told me he's not going. |
| 01:00.52 | bob2 | dude. |
| 01:00.55 | yo_linux | anyone else going to linuxconf.au (thought this is more on-topic) |
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| 01:01.10 | deadcat | then i will be the only one there. )= |
| 01:01.12 | bbc | any utility to transform .doc to .pdf? in console |
| 01:01.30 | bob2 | yo_linux: stupid adelaide is too stupidly far away |
| 01:01.35 | tom | bbc: wvTools |
| 01:01.39 | mage | I've downloaded a file which is supposed to be an mpeg file ... but no result. How can I verify what file type it is ? |
| 01:01.48 | pat5star | I've got one machine that I had originally set the sources.list file to all 'testing', if I s/testing/stable now will I have problems, or eventually will it work itself out when testing becomes stable? |
| 01:01.51 | yo_linux | bob2: not for you! :) |
| 01:01.55 | bob2 | mage: "file filename.mpg" |
| 01:02.03 | mage | bob2: I get "data" |
| 01:02.07 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro i have 3 partitions /dev/hda1 hda2 hda3 i looked all of them it does not have anything in ther elilo or grub |
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| 01:02.12 | bob2 | mage: then it's random binary crud. |
| 01:02.21 | mage | binary ? |
| 01:02.29 | bob2 | pat5star: yeah, more or less. no security updates for a loooooong time, though. |
| 01:02.30 | tom | bbc: it will provide a number of commandline utils like wvText (word to text) wvPS (to postscript) and wvPDF (to pdf). But it won't look as good as opening in OO and exporting would. |
| 01:02.39 | mage | is it possible it's an iso/cue/nrg/... file ? |
| 01:02.43 | bob2 | yo_linux: 2005 will be my vindivation. |
| 01:03.03 | pat5star | bob2: hmmm...does it usually result in catastrophe trying to downgrade? |
| 01:03.06 | bbc | tom : alright. URL? |
| 01:03.23 | bob2 | pat5star: you're not trying to downgrade, you're sitting down in the river and waiting for sarge to become stable. |
| 01:03.27 | bob2 | bbc: it's in Debian |
| 01:03.30 | bob2 | bbc: and antiword |
| 01:03.47 | mwilson | bbc: This is supposed to be hard? |
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| 01:04.05 | bbc | ok. thanks |
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| 01:04.11 | pat5star | bob2: I was wondering if I should downgrade instead of waiting...I will be using this machine as a public server |
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| 01:04.24 | bob2 | pat5star: downgrading will be horrible |
| 01:04.34 | bda | Downgrading is not love. |
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| 01:04.58 | pat5star | bob2: I thought so...maybe I'll leave it as is with the sources.list all set to stable now...and someday it will all be alright again :) |
| 01:05.19 | bda | uh. |
| 01:05.24 | `Butthead | what a ripoff |
| 01:05.37 | `Butthead | 1.25 cnd per minute, to talk to someone from ATI |
| 01:05.41 | zogssh | what is a good/definitive 2.6 kernel apt source? |
| 01:05.41 | gratuit | pat5star: make sure to stay aware of security patches |
| 01:05.45 | `Butthead | about an ISA tv tuner card |
| 01:05.58 | pat5star | gratuit: I will, thanks :) |
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| 01:06.24 | voyager2 | butthead thats canadian right ? |
| 01:06.48 | voyager2 | dont amount to much euro |
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| 01:06.54 | bob2 | zogssh: why? |
| 01:07.15 | `Butthead | voyager2: yes |
| 01:07.17 | rahul | ~penixstrike bob2 |
| 01:07.32 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking bob2 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:07.32 | bob2 | rahul: he deserved it |
| 01:07.37 | rahul | bob2: what? |
| 01:07.48 | bob2 | rahul: #kn |
| 01:08.09 | voyager2 | butthead it cost me $5. us for a $4 adapter lol |
| 01:08.12 | zogssh | bob2: cos I have 2.6test11 and wanna run 2.6.0 compiled from apt-gotten source if possible |
| 01:08.24 | bob2 | zogssh: why? |
| 01:08.33 | bob2 | zogssh: also, master.debian.org/~herbert/ |
| 01:08.39 | voyager2 | for phone that is |
| 01:08.49 | rahul | zogssh: put the source into a deb and apt-get it |
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| 01:08.55 | bob2 | rahul: haha |
| 01:09.05 | rahul | bob2: hrhr |
| 01:09.14 | bob2 | rahul: (haha 'rahul) |
| 01:09.24 | rahul | I ain't no symbol, bitch |
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| 01:09.50 | bob2 | (setq rahul 'troubleds_bitch) |
| 01:09.55 | zogssh | rahul: maybe I will use alien to convert this 2.6 rpm then |
| 01:09.58 | rahul | bitch |
| 01:10.02 | rahul | zogssh: are you daft? |
| 01:10.05 | yo_linux | bob2: where's the next one? (linuxconf.au) |
| 01:10.08 | bob2 | zogssh: don't be stupid. |
| 01:10.14 | bob2 | yo_linux: hasn't been announced yet. |
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| 01:10.19 | bob2 | zogssh: master.debian.org/~herbert/ |
| 01:10.20 | rahul | I'm convinced he's trolling |
| 01:10.39 | terr | I remember seeing an optical disk howto - but I cannot find it now... has anyone any recollection of same? |
| 01:10.50 | rahul | zogssh: http://ftp.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.0.tar.bz2 |
| 01:11.01 | rahul | maybe ftp:// :P |
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| 01:11.11 | zogssh | rahul: bob2: that was a joke.. however I can do stuff the source code way but I like finding apt-osurces where possible so I can rapidly replicate stuff I know works |
| 01:11.12 | rahul | if you don't get that file, you are trolling. |
| 01:11.25 | rahul | zogssh: just get the damn source. |
| 01:11.38 | rahul | you can "replicate" it by downloading that URL |
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| 01:11.49 | localhost | æ |
| 01:11.51 | thinkgeek | Hi |
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| 01:11.58 | thinkgeek | How do I test my lp0 is working? |
| 01:12.08 | rahul | thinkgeek: try to print something |
| 01:12.18 | Nosf3ratu | lpr somefile.foo. |
| 01:12.20 | bob2 | zogssh: FFS |
| 01:12.27 | bob2 | zogssh: did you even LOOK at the url I gave you? |
| 01:12.36 | zogssh | bob2 : looking now |
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| 01:12.47 | thinkgeek | I mean anything like a "ping" or something |
| 01:12.49 | rahul | I wouldn't trust Xu's sources. |
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| 01:13.04 | rahul | thinkgeek: you'll need to know your printer's protocol |
| 01:13.07 | zogssh | rahul: bob2: I was just dzzled by your witty repartee |
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| 01:13.22 | rahul | thinkgeek: it's like trying to talk to a quake server with netcat |
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| 01:13.36 | rahul | zogssh: ah, so you're a troll. |
| 01:13.46 | rahul | zogssh: fair enough. we get enough of your type around here. |
| 01:13.50 | terr | FORGET what I asked. I thought it was a minihowto - and its not. I found it - called of all things "Optical-Disk_HOWTO" Go figure!!! |
| 01:13.57 | thinkgeek | rahul: Its a Brother HL-1430 |
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| 01:14.24 | zogssh | rahul: lets see, so your allowed to make smart arse comments but I am not, ok cool |
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| 01:14.38 | bda | rahul: If you have a bunch of similar systems, it's easier to have a packaged kernel for them, rather than do per-system compiles. Though why he isn't just grabbing sort of deb kerning it himself, I dunno. |
| 01:14.43 | bda | I don't think he was trolling, though. |
| 01:14.45 | hackeron | hey, does anyone know how to get squidGuard to log information about visited sites? I added log /var/log/squidGuard/porn.log but it only logs if I'm limiting access to porn sites, any ideas? |
| 01:14.54 | bda | If so, it was a pretty pathetic attempt. |
| 01:15.06 | petemc | you are free to do as we tell you |
| 01:15.21 | terr | OH WONDERFUL. This howto actually is written for the exact optical drive I'm pissing around with! |
| 01:15.23 | rahul | bda: um... he was looking for SOURCE, not binaries |
| 01:15.35 | bda | rahul: Then my BAD, yo, dawg, shee, man. |
| 01:15.37 | bda | Ho, SNAP. |
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| 01:16.05 | bda | Sprite. |
| 01:16.09 | bda | Takes more effort than you'd expect. |
| 01:16.12 | rahul | eew |
| 01:16.17 | rahul | you can smoke that? |
| 01:16.24 | bob2 | watersprites? |
| 01:16.28 | bob2 | or the little forest ones? |
| 01:16.32 | bda | With some difficulty. |
| 01:16.45 | voyager2 | snort it |
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| 01:18.21 | Desdicado | hello |
| 01:19.31 | bob2 | voyager2: turn that crap off |
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| 01:19.46 | rahul | voyager2: idiot |
| 01:19.58 | bda | Friendly lot, aren't you. |
| 01:20.24 | rahul | bda: to friendly people, we are. |
| 01:20.25 | voyager2 | bk |
| 01:20.25 | bob2 | bda: public away is not permitted in here. |
| 01:20.25 | bob2 | !+guidelines |
| 01:20.25 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't repeat questions. Read and grow; show growth in new questions. 3) Reading technical documentation is a skill, please persevere, it's worth it. 4) If your problem isn't solved, come back a few hours or days later. 5) Please use /msg to talk to the bots. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood, not here. 8) Don't use colours or bold, do not run scripts. 9) No Trolls. 10) see <msg> |
| 01:20.26 | voyager2 | what you bitchin abour |
| 01:20.37 | rahul | to people that insult humanity, we can be quite harsh |
| 01:20.39 | bob2 | voyager2: your stupid-ass public away. can you turn it off? |
| 01:20.44 | rahul | voyager2: your spam |
| 01:20.53 | rahul | yeah, it's not even good spam |
| 01:20.56 | voyager2 | not hardly |
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| 01:20.58 | bda | bob2: Totally understadable. But calling someone an idiot seems relatively pointless when you can just inform them of the rules. |
| 01:21.01 | bda | shrug. |
| 01:21.06 | bob2 | bda: so flame rahul |
| 01:21.08 | voyager2 | ill turn it off for you |
| 01:21.12 | bob2 | voyager2: thank you. |
| 01:21.23 | rahul | bda: it's not a question of rules. it's a question of being an incosiderate arse. |
| 01:21.27 | voyager2 | dont be such an ass please |
| 01:21.36 | bda | rahul: Newbs, dude. |
| 01:21.42 | rahul | bda: no, idiots :) |
| 01:21.45 | bda | This IS a help channel, after all. |
| 01:21.55 | bda | If you can't deal with the cruft, etc, etc. :P |
| 01:21.57 | rahul | we don't help people to learn how to be considerate |
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| 01:22.15 | voyager2 | it is polite to mark yourself away dont see your prob |
| 01:22.27 | bda | voyager2: It's useless spam in a high-traffic channel. |
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| 01:22.30 | bob2 | voyager2: then do so. telling all 600 people in here is annoying. |
| 01:22.33 | rahul | voyager2: that has nothing to do with the spam you shat |
| 01:22.40 | bob2 | voyager2: if someone actually cares, they can /whois you and see. |
| 01:22.44 | LoRez | voyager2: it's enough to tell the server you're away, if someone wants to know, they'll whois you |
| 01:22.48 | rahul | or put you on /notify -away |
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| 01:23.04 | rahul | (which ends up doing a /whois periodically) |
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| 01:23.17 | voyager2 | ic thanks for the lesson |
| 01:23.40 | hailstorm | Hi. Could someone tell me how to switch over to using metacity under Gnome? |
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| 01:24.15 | rahul | #gnome would know, for sure |
| 01:24.15 | Justin_ | heh, some fucker emailed me if I wanted to buy bouncybouncy.com for $90 |
| 01:24.24 | hailstorm | k |
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| 01:24.34 | Justin_ | so I checked, and bought .com and .org for $17 total |
| 01:24.41 | petemc | heh |
| 01:24.43 | Sebulba02 | heh |
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| 01:24.52 | petemc | i still want to buy some cook island domains |
| 01:25.00 | bob2 | .ci? |
| 01:25.05 | Justin_ | cx |
| 01:25.06 | petemc | .co.ck |
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| 01:25.10 | Justin_ | oh? |
| 01:25.18 | Justin_ | ohright cx is christmas island |
| 01:25.23 | bob2 | .cxis christmas island |
| 01:25.23 | petemc | yeah |
| 01:25.25 | rahul | .cx is christmas island |
| 01:25.26 | bob2 | heh |
| 01:25.28 | Justin_ | i wanna know how djb has .to |
| 01:25.28 | nitrium | i want to make a forward of all mails outgoing to a specific local mailbox. I want to do it with qmail. Any idea? |
| 01:25.30 | rahul | HEH |
| 01:25.38 | bob2 | they don't dserve their own cctld |
| 01:25.43 | Sebulba02 | Justin_: random letters left over |
| 01:25.46 | bob2 | nitrium: #qmail |
| 01:25.54 | nitrium | bob2: thnx |
| 01:26.05 | bob2 | nitrium: but do you really need to spy on all out going mail? |
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| 01:26.41 | nitrium | bob2: that is not a spy. however, one of our customers want to spy his domains' mailings. |
| 01:26.50 | Justin_ | bleh, my dns is a mess now |
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| 01:27.05 | nitrium | bob2: i think, we call it *service* |
| 01:27.08 | bob2 | nitrium: oh, you're spying for someone else? that's ok then. |
| 01:27.25 | hailstorm | #gnome is rather dead :( |
| 01:27.27 | Justin_ | i only have 4 computers and 4 domans, but i have the great idea to make 8 aliases for every host |
| 01:27.35 | Justin_ | er, had |
| 01:27.38 | Sebulba02 | err |
| 01:27.44 | rahul | hailstorm: they probably use MSN messenger |
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| 01:28.04 | hailstorm | MSN *shudder* |
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| 01:28.45 | rahul | gnome *shudder* |
| 01:29.22 | hailstorm | Ain't nothing wrong with gnome |
| 01:29.41 | Sebulba02 | that depends on your definition of "wrong" |
| 01:29.45 | petemc | hailstorm: different strokes for different folks |
| 01:29.46 | bda | 2.4 is nice. |
| 01:30.17 | bda | The control center is still pants. Could use better organization. |
| 01:30.35 | hailstorm | Indeed. I support Jabber :P |
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| 01:31.21 | Mandy | hi! why do my winex make X crash trying to play Baldur's Gate 1? |
| 01:31.38 | The_Vulture | that's kinda off topic.. |
| 01:31.48 | Mandy | really? |
| 01:31.51 | dukenerdm | there is a #winex channel |
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| 01:32.08 | Mandy | they don't answer! |
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| 01:32.21 | simonrvn | Mandy: then just be patient |
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| 01:32.41 | Mandy | but if you know, why don't answer me? |
| 01:32.44 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 01:32.52 | elephantman | How can i copy a very large mysql db file from local to remote server ? |
| 01:32.56 | simonrvn | because it's off-topic.. |
| 01:33.09 | rahul | Mandy: if we knew, we'd be in #winex |
| 01:33.09 | petemc | elephantman: mysqldump |
| 01:33.10 | elephantman | I try mysqlimport but doesnt seem to work |
| 01:33.11 | simonrvn | *i* sure don't know :) |
| 01:33.27 | rahul | Mandy: amazing how these things work, isn't it? |
| 01:33.30 | Mandy | geeesh, no wonder debian looses ground to every dist in the galaxy |
| 01:33.44 | rahul | why, because we don't know the answer to every question under the sun? |
| 01:33.51 | simonrvn | Mandy: ? |
| 01:33.57 | rahul | Mandy: why is my big toe round? |
| 01:34.08 | simonrvn | my is my nose big? |
| 01:34.09 | Justin_ | elephantman: mysqldump --add-drop-table dbname -u root -p | ssh root@otherbox mysql -u root dbname |
| 01:34.12 | Mandy | because you are arrogant |
| 01:34.16 | rahul | Mandy: if you don't answer that now, you must be losing ground to every other person in the galaxy |
| 01:34.21 | elephantman | petemc: thanx |
| 01:34.23 | Mandy | and that stable is kinda old ;) |
| 01:34.25 | elephantman | Justin_: super thanx |
| 01:34.27 | rahul | oh, of course. it's US that are arrogant. |
| 01:34.38 | rahul | Mandy: how do you know if something is stable if it's untested? |
| 01:34.41 | bda | o_O |
| 01:34.44 | simonrvn | pot. kettle. black. |
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| 01:35.06 | Mandy | rahul. you never know. i.e. stable is a bad thing to call it at all |
| 01:35.11 | jariep | hello |
| 01:35.17 | simonrvn | wtf? |
| 01:35.39 | rahul | Mandy: ok, so no one should ever release any software. |
| 01:35.42 | simonrvn | Mandy: if you have such an issue with woody, then use sarge... ffs |
| 01:35.58 | rahul | Mandy: no, don't use debian, please |
| 01:36.02 | Mandy | noone should call it stable |
| 01:36.05 | rahul | go bother #redhat about their buggy crap |
| 01:36.12 | Mandy | i like debian! |
| 01:36.17 | simonrvn | Mandy: you're now making non-sense statements |
| 01:36.19 | rahul | Mandy: no you don't |
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| 01:36.26 | rahul | Mandy: you like trolling in #debian |
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| 01:36.27 | jariep | rahul, you use redhat? |
| 01:36.30 | rahul | yay |
| 01:36.35 | elephantman | Justin_: you mean its mysqldump OR ssh + mysql ? |
| 01:36.37 | rahul | jariep: no, I use windows XP |
| 01:36.39 | simonrvn | ffs |
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| 01:36.56 | elephantman | Justin_: or its a pipe ? |
| 01:37.16 | blondz | elephantman: that's a pipe alright |
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| 01:37.38 | jariep | if i want tu use kde 3.1 should i use sarge or woody? |
| 01:37.40 | elephantman | ok but no ssh connection to the remote server |
| 01:37.45 | elephantman | thanx |
| 01:37.47 | jariep | or should i compile myself? |
| 01:37.53 | simonrvn | jariep: sarge |
| 01:38.01 | tix64 | rahul: no need. you've had enough of that stuff already ;) |
| 01:38.04 | gratuit | jariep: compiling kde is a pain in the butt |
| 01:38.04 | blondz | elephantman: what connection do you have? |
| 01:38.06 | jariep | i am a newbie |
| 01:38.10 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: i dont remember that heh |
| 01:38.10 | simonrvn | if it's actually *in* sarge.. |
| 01:38.37 | jariep | i think maybe it is |
| 01:38.46 | jariep | no sure though |
| 01:39.00 | bda | Speaking of Windows. |
| 01:39.00 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: it's not |
| 01:39.00 | bda | http://area76.u--3.com/useless/files/latest/genova_airport2.jpg |
| 01:39.01 | elephantman | blondz: ftp or mysql |
| 01:39.05 | rahul | tix64: bah |
| 01:39.06 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: backports.org |
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| 01:39.38 | jariep | will i have bugs if i compile kde 3.1? |
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| 01:39.47 | jariep | after compiling |
| 01:39.49 | rahul | jariep: yes |
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| 01:39.58 | rahul | it's kde, duh :) |
| 01:40.19 | jariep | i have kde with redhat 9 and it works well |
| 01:40.19 | rahul | debian does fix some of the bugs, but I doubt calc has the time or patience to bother with most of them |
| 01:40.23 | rahul | heh |
| 01:40.29 | blondz | elephantman: then maybe mysqldump --add-drop-table dbname -u root -p | mysql -h remote_host -u username might do the trick |
| 01:40.36 | rahul | I wonder if he's finally given up on maintaining kde |
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| 01:41.05 | jariep | rahul, you use debian also> |
| 01:41.06 | jariep | ? |
| 01:41.12 | jariep | as well as xp |
| 01:41.39 | rahul | heh |
| 01:41.51 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: uh, i'm not the one asking.. |
| 01:41.57 | rahul | speaking of windows. I can't get wine to get ANYWHERE starting up the sims. |
| 01:42.08 | rahul | it immediately crashes and goes into the wine debugger |
| 01:42.21 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: true, but I like your nickname so much, I thought you could be my relay :) |
| 01:42.23 | jariep | is there any way to get a bugless kde 3.1 and gnome 2.2 for debian? |
| 01:42.31 | rahul | jariep: no such thing. |
| 01:42.36 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: heh |
| 01:42.37 | thomas_adam | jariep: yes, go fix the bugs and release the proper version |
| 01:42.50 | rahul | maybe that'll do |
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| 01:43.22 | jariep | i am using gnome 2.2 and kde 3.1 and no problems |
| 01:43.29 | jariep | with redhat 9 |
| 01:43.38 | rahul | heh |
| 01:43.47 | rahul | I am using windows longhorn with no problems |
| 01:43.52 | thomas_adam | hahahahahaha |
| 01:43.54 | thomas_adam | RH? |
| 01:43.54 | bda | Can't say I've run into any problems with GNOME 2.4. shrug. |
| 01:43.55 | elephantman | blondz: ok thanx a lot |
| 01:43.55 | bda | haha. |
| 01:43.56 | thomas_adam | sucker |
| 01:44.01 | Nezzie | hey ya'll, i goto a high school, and i personally know the sys admin for the whole district she is not only an idiot, who will not upgrade there NT 4.0 servers to 2000 (which they have licenses for) becuase she doesn't know 2000 but also a censoring bitch, she runs a novell network and pays some guy in the next 2 towns over to do tech support for her job ? i don't get it either. anyhow she runs a proxy called novell border manager and i |
| 01:44.02 | bda | rahul: Except for the sidebar, right? :D |
| 01:44.05 | muncc2beo | jariep: just because you don't notice the bugs doesn't mean they're not there |
| 01:44.10 | blondz | elephantman: np |
| 01:44.21 | rahul | bda: I can't carry on an intelligent conversation about windows. sorry :P |
| 01:44.23 | thomas_adam | Nezzie: <-- are you a troller? |
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| 01:44.33 | Nezzie | no just a guy looking for some help |
| 01:44.33 | bda | rahul: You haven't seen screenshots? They're amazing. |
| 01:44.35 | rahul | muncc2beo: welcome to the fold. |
| 01:44.38 | gratuit | jariep: /msg apt info kde unstable |
| 01:44.41 | rahul | bda: if you say so |
| 01:44.42 | bda | Amazingly stupid. |
| 01:44.47 | jariep | so gnome 2.2 and kde 3.1 have bugs aside from debian? |
| 01:44.48 | MasterRa | hmm, anyone wanna help me figure out what's up with my mouse? it's a ps/2 mouse, 2.6.0-test9 kernel image. Before it said no such device, but i deleted /dev/psaux, then recreated it with MAKEDEV, and now i don't get that error (and X will load), but the mouse don't work ;) |
| 01:44.57 | rahul | jariep: debian is a bug? |
| 01:44.59 | gratuit | jariep: that will show you the version in unstable |
| 01:45.03 | rahul | now that's not nice |
| 01:45.31 | gratuit | jariep: any non-trivial program is going to have bugs it's just a fact of programming |
| 01:45.35 | thomas_adam | Nezzie: ok :) |
| 01:45.41 | Nezzie | well thanks anyhow guess no one knows =) take it easy everyone |
| 01:45.56 | thomas_adam | Nezzie: don't be so impatient..... |
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| 01:46.06 | thomas_adam | Nezzie: patience is a virtue |
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| 01:46.08 | rahul | MasterRa: the options have changed and rearranged |
| 01:46.19 | Nezzie | true |
| 01:46.23 | rahul | MasterRa: read ALL The options CAREFULLY when upgrading to a new kenrel release |
| 01:46.24 | simonrvn | Nezzie: why is this pertinent to #debian or debian? :) |
| 01:46.28 | thomas_adam | Nezzie: let me read your problem again |
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| 01:46.50 | jariep | is kde more stable than 3.1? |
| 01:46.57 | jariep | kde 2.2 |
| 01:47.05 | MasterRa | rahul: well, i'm using the kernel image from apt.. i didn't compile it. If i must compile it, i can, and i've had the mouse working that way before.. i was just wondering if maybe someone had seen some prob like htis before? :-/ |
| 01:47.07 | Nezzie | okay, if you can atleast point me in the direction of what i'm looking to make, then i would be very happy |
| 01:47.09 | thomas_adam | Nezzie: and perhaps, might I suggest in the future that you try and remove your superfluous story that is wrapped around your question, please. "Short and sweet" is the key. |
| 01:47.26 | rahul | MasterRa: well, there you go |
| 01:47.43 | MasterRa | rahul: i take it that's a no? ;) |
| 01:47.46 | Nezzie | sorry thomas_adam: i'm a little frustrated with this whole thing |
| 01:47.53 | rahul | MasterRa: compile a kernel properly for your system. don't hope that someone else knows your machine, especially with a very new kernel release. |
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| 01:48.02 | thomas_adam | Nezzie: wait here a sec, I have something for you that is petinent... |
| 01:48.11 | Nezzie | okay thanks |
| 01:48.18 | tdennist | wow there are quite a few people here |
| 01:48.22 | tdennist | how many are talking? |
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| 01:48.30 | rahul | tdennist: no, there are few people. many bots. |
| 01:48.34 | MasterRa | rahul: well, the kernel images always work good for me.. but i guess i'll work on a custom. Last one half the options wouldn't even compile.. |
| 01:48.45 | rahul | MasterRa: uh? |
| 01:48.49 | rahul | "wouldn't even compile"? |
| 01:48.51 | thomas_adam | Nezzie: /topic |
| 01:48.51 | MasterRa | rahul: thanks anyway.. bbl.. gonna see if the mouse still works in 2.4 or if i fried it ;) |
| 01:48.58 | thomas_adam | Nezzie: is your first clue |
| 01:49.02 | rahul | MasterRa: do you configure the kernel at all sanely? |
| 01:49.10 | Nezzie | whats that mean? |
| 01:49.18 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: check /dev/hda |
| 01:49.20 | MasterRa | rahul: yeah, well, it took me some time to turn off enough stuff in the last 2.6 i tried to compile - but it was an early one.. |
| 01:49.34 | rahul | Nezzie: it means, WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR WINDOWS CRAP. |
| 01:49.35 | thomas_adam | Nezzie: and secondly, the way in which your school decides how to manage its network, is not really any concern of yours. There is such a thing as "out-sourcing" |
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| 01:49.52 | MasterRa | rahul: i started with a default config and turned stuff off from there. |
| 01:49.52 | rahul | MasterRa: er... alright. |
| 01:49.57 | thomas_adam | rahul: quite :) |
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| 01:50.06 | rahul | MasterRa: do as I said before |
| 01:50.19 | MasterRa | rahul: yeah, i'm gonna see how it'll go.. bbl.. gotta reboot ;) |
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| 01:50.49 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro is it healthy to do that |
| 01:50.56 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: sure. |
| 01:51.01 | Nezzie | well so, you ask me to wait here while you find reasons not to help me? it would be most benifical to me and you if you would have just said, can't help ya |
| 01:51.07 | nitrium | lemme ask, where does debian get its distribution names? |
| 01:51.10 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: its' not healthy to write to /dev/hda directly, but to read from it is just fine. |
| 01:51.13 | dondelelcaro | nitrium: toy story. |
| 01:51.19 | thomas_adam | Nezzie: I have helped you, indirectly. |
| 01:51.35 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro okay shoulds good |
| 01:51.36 | Nezzie | thomas_adam: what ever helps you sleep at night |
| 01:51.48 | thomas_adam | Nezzie: I do not sleep, I am an insomniac. |
| 01:51.49 | nitrium | dondelelcaro: in case sarge released, what is planned to take the name? :))) |
| 01:52.04 | dondelelcaro | nitrium: hasn't been decided yet, AFAIK |
| 01:52.14 | dondelelcaro | nitrium: there are still loads of candidates... |
| 01:52.17 | muncc2beo | Is there a way to make XEmacs display the line number the cursor is at? |
| 01:52.24 | vexation | what package do i need for SSL support in gaim? (for msn) |
| 01:52.34 | Justin_ | vexation: apt-get install gaim? |
| 01:52.39 | dondelelcaro | muncc2beo: in the modeline, yes... |
| 01:52.47 | nitrium | dondelelcaro: any kind of mailing list for this arguements? |
| 01:52.49 | vexation | Justin_: wont give me ssl support |
| 01:52.57 | Justin_ | vexation: www.backports.org |
| 01:53.00 | Nezzie | thomas_adam: that statement cannot be true, becuase insomnia is a sleeping disorder, you stay up as long as you can and then you sleep, if you don't sleep then you will die, which is a sleep in itself so overall, you do sleep |
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| 01:53.13 | mwilson | http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=811136&tw=wn_wire_story |
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| 01:53.18 | Justin_ | you need m-x line-number mode, but it's probably already one... |
| 01:53.40 | Nezzie | all i asked for is someone to help, not jerk me around thats all if you can't, then don't. no need to be a jerk |
| 01:53.42 | dondelelcaro | nitrium: it's up to the release manager generally. If he runs out of ideas, people will suggest it... |
| 01:53.43 | thomas_adam | Nezzie: "rarely do I sleep" is what I should have said, but that pedantic remark has cost you.... |
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| 01:53.52 | MasterRa | rahul: yep, mouse works in the 2.4... well, i'm off to try a compile.. |
| 01:54.05 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: I suggest a /ignore. |
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| 01:54.09 | thomas_adam | ~topicsmite Nezzie |
| 01:54.16 | | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Nezzie. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 01:54.16 | Nezzie | do i sense some nazi action about to take place becuase i've questioned you? |
| 01:54.16 | err0rr | who needs to be able to read /etc/rc* and /etc/init.d/* on boot ? just root ? is it safe to chmod it all so my users cant read it |
| 01:54.16 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: already done |
| 01:54.30 | nitrium | dondelelcaro: ok. I'll search the names :) nice game. |
| 01:54.32 | bda | mwilson: Hot. |
| 01:54.36 | dondelelcaro | Nezzie: do you have anything debian related to talk about? |
| 01:54.44 | Justin_ | mwilson: Those who would trade safety for freedom deserve neither... |
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| 01:54.51 | mwilson | Justin_: Oh, please. |
| 01:55.07 | Nezzie | yes i run a debian gate way i was wondering if its possible to connect to my gateway and pull internet connect through it |
| 01:55.11 | Nezzie | happy? |
| 01:55.12 | mwilson | err0rr: A better question would be why are you wasting your time worrying about whether they can look at it or not. |
| 01:55.19 | bda | Nezzie: Use SQUID. |
| 01:55.23 | erik | Nezzie: nope |
| 01:55.23 | Nezzie | i think its called a proxy |
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| 01:55.26 | err0rr | mwilson: its just something they dont need to dig in |
| 01:55.27 | bda | Set your local machine to use that box as a proxy. |
| 01:55.29 | bda | shrug. |
| 01:55.38 | Nezzie | okay thanks |
| 01:55.41 | mwilson | err0rr: "dig in"? |
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| 01:55.51 | err0rr | mwilson: read scripts and see whats running |
| 01:56.14 | bda | Oh. Someone who installs hacked ps and top. |
| 01:56.15 | mwilson | translation: I did something really stupid and put a password or other sensitive information in an init script. |
| 01:56.17 | bda | But forgets about /proc. |
| 01:56.35 | err0rr | nah |
| 01:56.56 | rdancer | err0rr: ps -eH ?? |
| 01:57.04 | err0rr | i just like to take the approach to security that people only have access to what they need access to |
| 01:57.06 | iceman | whats that du-like command that gives you an x-window with charts over disk usage? |
| 01:57.08 | muncc2beo | dondelelcaro: and How can I have it display it |
| 01:57.09 | rahul | bda: SQUID doesn't do anything to your internet connection, fwiw |
| 01:57.09 | muncc2beo | ? |
| 01:57.17 | err0rr | rdancer: users dont have access to ps on my system |
| 01:57.22 | dondelelcaro | muncc2beo: display what? |
| 01:57.27 | muncc2beo | The line number |
| 01:57.28 | rdancer | err0rr: oops :-) |
| 01:57.30 | rahul | that's like the US policy of only checking planes for terrorists :) |
| 01:57.34 | bda | rahul: No, but you can use it as a proxy, remotely, to get around censorware, etc. |
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| 01:57.40 | no_maam_ | iceman: I think there is a kde-version of du |
| 01:57.43 | blondz | iceman: du | xdu |
| 01:57.50 | bda | Run it on an allowed outbound port, assuming you have privs on the local machine to change proxy information.. |
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| 01:57.56 | rdancer | err0rr: fascist you! what else are they restricted of? |
| 01:58.01 | bda | Or you could just run everything through X with a livecd or something. :P |
| 01:58.07 | rahul | bda: Nezzie wants a gateway |
| 01:58.10 | err0rr | i just dont trust some of the people on my server with shells is all |
| 01:58.16 | rahul | not a webcache |
| 01:58.17 | bda | rahul: I was offering the obvious alternative? |
| 01:58.22 | bda | shrug. |
| 01:58.24 | mwilson | err0rr: Then why are they there? |
| 01:58.24 | muncc2beo | dondelelcaro: the line number in xemacs |
| 01:58.25 | maher | mwilson: well i was fingerprinted on my way back - i hope you feel safer... :) |
| 01:58.33 | bda | err0rr: chroot them. Problem solved. |
| 01:58.35 | rahul | bda: the obvious solution is to install debian with the ipmasq package... |
| 01:58.36 | rdancer | err0rr: heard about ``security by obscurity''? |
| 01:58.37 | err0rr | mwilson: coordinating on some software |
| 01:58.39 | bda | Well, in theory. |
| 01:58.41 | mwilson | maher: Fingerprinted on your way back from where? |
| 01:58.47 | err0rr | bda: how do you chroot bash nicely ? |
| 01:58.52 | mwilson | err0rr: What does that have to do with them needing shell access? |
| 01:58.53 | bda | err0rr: By reading HOWTOs. |
| 01:58.56 | dondelelcaro | muncc2beo: oh, the modeline thing. should be (line-number-mode t) |
| 01:58.57 | maher | mwilson: from uk to lax |
| 01:59.01 | err0rr | k, ill look into that |
| 01:59.03 | thomas_adam | err0rr: chroot /dir /bin/bash |
| 01:59.12 | mwilson | maher: You escaped the police state and you came back? |
| 01:59.16 | err0rr | yeah but then they dont have ls and shit |
| 01:59.19 | err0rr | basic utils |
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| 01:59.26 | muncc2beo | dondelelcaro: and where do I set that? |
| 01:59.28 | maher | mwilson: which one? ;) |
| 01:59.37 | dondelelcaro | muncc2beo: you eval-defun it. |
| 01:59.41 | mwilson | maher: Why'd they decide to fingerprint you? I think I'd refuse. |
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| 01:59.47 | dondelelcaro | muncc2beo: or set it in your .xemacs or whatever you run at startup |
| 01:59.51 | bda | rahul: I was under the impression he was asking how to get around some lame censorware thing at school. :P |
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| 01:59.57 | bda | But maybe I'm not paying enough attention. |
| 02:00.07 | muncc2beo | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 02:00.10 | bda | (Which is likely; in the middle of a recovery) |
| 02:00.14 | maher | mwilson: if you're on a visa coming to the us younow get fingerprinted - i could have refused - but theni would have had to go home... |
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| 02:00.17 | rahul | mwilson: first you pooh-pooh the whole freedom being more important than security thing and then you call the US a police state. I'm lost. |
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| 02:00.40 | mwilson | rahul: Uh, why? |
| 02:00.55 | dondelelcaro | maher: yeah, dumbass policy. Its not like they can process those fingerprints that quickly yet, anyway. |
| 02:00.59 | rahul | mwilson: you should be supporting the lack of freedom in the US |
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| 02:01.01 | mwilson | rahul: The US *is* a police state and the freedom is already gone. |
| 02:01.09 | bda | Huh. |
| 02:01.10 | rahul | we're trading our freedom for security! |
| 02:01.10 | erik | heh |
| 02:01.13 | erik | i love eurofags |
| 02:01.22 | maher | dondelelcaro: what amuses me is that it only confirms identity - none of the sept 11 people were on false papers... |
| 02:01.39 | mwilson | maher: You hold citizenship where? |
| 02:01.45 | maher | mwilson: uk |
| 02:01.48 | dondelelcaro | maher: yerp. maybe next they'll be taking dental x-rays so they can identify your remains... |
| 02:01.52 | mwilson | maher: Ah. |
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| 02:02.28 | mwilson | rahul: Supporting it? I'd leave if I could. |
| 02:02.29 | gabod | does anyone know the pkg that contains dos2unix lil script that get rids of ^M chars |
| 02:02.40 | dondelelcaro | !dos2unix |
| 02:02.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dos2unix is in the sysutils package, or at http://www.bsd.org/dos2unix.html, or perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' <filename>, or recode, or fromdos, or tr -d \\r, or on some non-gnu systems would also (unexpectedly) convert the charset |
| 02:02.53 | err0rr | gabod: flip |
| 02:02.57 | mgs21 | itle |
| 02:02.59 | gabod | thanks dond |
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| 02:03.13 | nitrium | !dpkg |
| 02:03.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkg is a bot |
| 02:03.17 | rahul | mwilson: but you like trading freedom for security. |
| 02:03.22 | mwilson | rahul: I do? |
| 02:03.27 | nitrium | nice bot. |
| 02:03.34 | rahul | mwilson: well, you think the concept of not doing that is foolish |
| 02:03.51 | maher | mwilson: where would you like to go? |
| 02:03.59 | mwilson | rahul: No, I think the inane spouting of that quote is foolish, when it's already happened. |
| 02:04.19 | mwilson | rahul: The US is already a lost cause. |
| 02:04.30 | dondelelcaro | maher: unfortunatly, nowhere... I haven't found a place that's better. |
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| 02:04.43 | bda | Move to Mexico. |
| 02:04.47 | maher | dondelelcaro: better for what? |
| 02:04.48 | rahul | mwilson: right... |
| 02:04.52 | mgs21 | okay, i'm sorry that this is an idiot question, but i can't seem to find a debian-sanctioned 2.4.24 kernel. I tried the one from kernel.org, but it led to all sorts of module dependency errors |
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| 02:05.09 | rdancer | !kernel-image-2.4.24 |
| 02:05.09 | dondelelcaro | bda: uh, and a state with a one party system? no thanks. |
| 02:05.15 | err0rr | mgs21: one from kernel.org worked nicely for me |
| 02:05.16 | bda | dondelelcaro: Sarcasm. |
| 02:05.21 | rahul | mwilson: there's still a chance to get freedom back. |
| 02:05.21 | mwilson | mgs21: Uh, there isn't one to "try" from kernel.org, unless you built it yourself, and therefore any module problems are YOUR fault. |
| 02:05.24 | bda | He mentioned "lost causes". |
| 02:05.32 | mwilson | rahul: Oh, really. |
| 02:05.34 | err0rr | lmao dondelelcaro: its no where near a 1 party system |
| 02:05.38 | rahul | mwilson: really. |
| 02:05.43 | philips | I have a wirless router, and plugged my net connection into the WAN port and my laptop into port 2. I can ping yahoo.com, slashdot.org, etc but http, ssh, irc and the other protocols I tried don't work. Any ideas? |
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| 02:05.46 | mwilson | rahul: Amuse me. |
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| 02:05.57 | dondelelcaro | err0rr: well, its not anymore, but it was effectively a one party system for close to 2 decades. |
| 02:06.01 | rahul | mwilson: there are plenty of people in the government who oppose the authoritarian crap the bush admin is pulling |
| 02:06.08 | rahul | particularly republicans |
| 02:06.29 | mwilson | Doesn't matter. Suspension of due process, remember? |
| 02:06.38 | mgs21 | mw: i untarred it into a new directory, ran make clean ; make dep ; make modules ; make modules-install ; make bzImage. Then i copied the bzImage file to boot, rebooted, and got tons of module dependency errors. Where did i go wrong? |
| 02:06.42 | mwilson | We wave a wand, you go POOF |
| 02:06.56 | err0rr | the libertarian party is growing |
| 02:06.57 | err0rr | in the us |
| 02:07.09 | mwilson | mgs21: Did you bother to turn on the modules you needed? Configure it properly at all? |
| 02:07.13 | bda | mgs21: Did you configure the kernel? |
| 02:07.15 | bda | Heh. |
| 02:07.20 | bda | Meh. Gonna go read. |
| 02:07.30 | err0rr | bush's authoritarian bullshit is breeding many more libertarians |
| 02:07.32 | mgs21 | yeah, i copied the config from my 2.4.22 directory -- that one didn't generate any module errors |
| 02:07.47 | erik | mgs21: and then you did make oldconfig, right |
| 02:07.48 | rahul | mwilson: and many legislators are opposed to that |
| 02:07.59 | mgs21 | erik: no, i guess that's where i went wrong |
| 02:08.05 | err0rr | mgs21: what modules are failing ? if they arent ones you need just turn them off |
| 02:08.08 | mwilson | rahul: And they have no power, so they don't matter either. |
| 02:08.16 | err0rr | i had COMX fail on me in 2.4.24 but i dont need it |
| 02:08.29 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: when they get cluefull, they have more power than the president... |
| 02:08.37 | rahul | mwilson: they have as much power as those who support this legislation |
| 02:08.45 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: pretty hard for police agencies to operate without a budget... |
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| 02:09.03 | mgs21 | i don't want to flood too much, but here's one example: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.24-mike-1/kernel/drivers/block/loop.o |
| 02:09.05 | mwilson | People make enough noise, they'll just tip tha cabal's hand and it'll become publis that much sooner. |
| 02:09.13 | mwilson | s/publis/public |
| 02:09.22 | rdancer | mgs21: sigh! |
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| 02:10.18 | maher | dondelelcaro: pretty hard for the police to look for your stolen property without a budget |
| 02:10.31 | Guerin | msg21: you NEED to make oldconfig - kernel won't work properly if you didn't |
| 02:10.40 | mwilson | I'm still wondering how the Emperor is going to avoid the 2004 election, or perhaps he'll just ignore it. |
| 02:10.57 | Guerin | msg21: go do it again :) |
| 02:11.02 | rahul | maher: given the powers they have, they can steal your property themselves if they feel like it |
| 02:11.16 | simonrvn | s/stolen/"stolen"/ . they could declare your old p133 stolen, when what really happened was it was given to you, or you found it in the garbage (e.g.) |
| 02:11.18 | rahul | mwilson: bush is going to win by a landslide, it seems |
| 02:11.34 | mwilson | rahul: He will, whether he does or not. |
| 02:11.47 | rahul | the improving economy and the capture of saddam are going to blind the public to his faults. |
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| 02:11.52 | simonrvn | they'll just rig the voting booths like they did last time |
| 02:12.05 | mgs21 | guer: ok. do i cp the .config or some other file(s) before make oldconfig? Is there any documentation other than the 1000+ line file in README.gz? |
| 02:12.25 | knoppix | hello |
| 02:12.29 | maher | rahul: but bush's reaganite economics will cause the economy to tank big time before 2008... |
| 02:12.35 | al0r | hello, there is a simple way to deny the use of some ip about the users of my machine? i've 14 users and i need to deny the user of two ip for irc to the users. how i can it ? |
| 02:12.42 | rahul | maher: heh. |
| 02:12.48 | rahul | maher: he hardly has reaganite economics |
| 02:12.49 | mwilson | I dunno... companies like Diebold have either been really stupid and let what they're doing be seen, or really smart and let what they're doing be seen so people are hardened to it by the time it matters. |
| 02:12.50 | simonrvn | maher: then theyll come up with another "crisis" |
| 02:12.55 | seberino_ | Newbie CGI question (I checked path lots.)==> ??? Object not found! The requested URL was not found on this server. The link on the referring page seems to be wrong or outdated. Please inform the author of that page about the error. |
| 02:13.00 | al0r | something like socket restriction ? |
| 02:13.02 | al0r | or waht ? |
| 02:13.04 | al0r | some tool ... |
| 02:13.07 | al0r | any hints ? :) |
| 02:13.09 | rdancer | al0r: iptables |
| 02:13.11 | rahul | maher: he's one of the worst things for big business in the past 20 years. |
| 02:13.12 | simonrvn | mwilson: could be a little of both |
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| 02:13.14 | knoppix | is it true that MS has given bush campain money ? |
| 02:13.16 | al0r | rdancer: with iptables? |
| 02:13.17 | maher | rahul: reduce taxes - increase military spending - create enormouse deficit.... |
| 02:13.19 | Guerin | msg21: yeah, copy your .config and make sure you have all the modules in your source tree |
| 02:13.24 | rahul | maher: heh. |
| 02:13.25 | js_ | is anybody here using lvm2? i get a strange error from the device mapper saying "device-mapper ioctl cmd 0 failed: Invalid argument" |
| 02:13.29 | simonrvn | knoppix: wouldn't be surprised |
| 02:13.29 | dondelelcaro | knoppix: they give every major campaign money. |
| 02:13.32 | sgeigerbot | rahul: Not if you are a defense contractor. |
| 02:13.39 | rdancer | al0r: install iptables, read the docs, it's easy once you rtfm |
| 02:13.43 | dondelelcaro | knoppix: it's called hedging. |
| 02:13.52 | rahul | maher: the deficit is practically nothing compared to the historical amounts and to japan's |
| 02:13.55 | rahul | sgeigerbot: HEH |
| 02:14.00 | sgeigerbot | rahul: Not if you are Microsoft. |
| 02:14.01 | rdancer | al0r: ...and extremely powerful :-))) |
| 02:14.11 | Guerin | msg21: you should get asked some new questions if there's anything in 2.4.24 that wasn't in 2.4.22, otherwise it'll just use your old settings |
| 02:14.13 | mwilson | Assuming the 2004 election actually takes place, it'll probably be the last even semi-free one for quite a spell. |
| 02:14.17 | rahul | sgeigerbot: do you know how much defense spending went down recently? 22%. |
| 02:14.19 | al0r | rdancer: duh :) |
| 02:14.20 | al0r | :P |
| 02:14.25 | rdancer | !iptables |
| 02:14.26 | dpkg | iptables is, like, the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.samba.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 02:14.30 | MasterRa | rahul: hey - i can't even get a 'make config' to work.. it fails with a bunch of errors about scripts/fixdep.c.. any ideas? i've never seen this before.. |
| 02:14.36 | knoppix | are this bans for ever ? |
| 02:14.43 | sgeigerbot | rahul: Whatever. That cannot take into account a war in Iraq. |
| 02:14.47 | al0r | rdancer: ok, but someone told me to do it with some socket restriction stuff |
| 02:14.55 | knoppix | i cant go to knoppix chann for a week now |
| 02:14.56 | rahul | sgeigerbot: hah. |
| 02:15.01 | rdancer | al0r: just a different name |
| 02:15.06 | sgeigerbot | rahul: Whose friends do you think are getting contracts for rebuilding Iraq? |
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| 02:15.15 | rdancer | al0r: socket filtering |
| 02:15.16 | rahul | sgeigerbot: the war in iraq is paid for in the blood of our soldiers, not in equipment |
| 02:15.20 | simonrvn | knoppix: change your nick for a real one, maybe they'll let you in |
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| 02:15.32 | al0r | rdancer: ah socket filtering. i see. there is some tool for do that ? |
| 02:15.33 | rdancer | al0r: is the buzzword now; or rather ``packet filtering'', to be precis |
| 02:15.35 | knoppix | what is a real nick ? |
| 02:15.35 | rahul | sgeigerbot: the ones being shafted for 100x their contracts by the idiotic polcies of the president |
| 02:16.04 | sgeigerbot | rahul: You are watching too much government-controlled newscasts. |
| 02:16.04 | sgeigerbot | s/much/many/ |
| 02:16.04 | simonrvn | knoppix: one that isn't 'knoppix' :) |
| 02:16.11 | rdancer | al0r: plenty, mostly for *LSD ;-), but sure there ports for Linux. |
| 02:16.18 | simonrvn | ... |
| 02:16.19 | knoppyx | cant get in |
| 02:16.19 | nenolod | anyone in here know anything about getting the audigy LS to work in debian? |
| 02:16.20 | rahul | sgeigerbot: so the government likes to say that the war in iraq is a bloodbath? |
| 02:16.30 | rdancer | !pf |
| 02:16.30 | sgeigerbot | rahul: Everyone knows that rich people benefit from wars and that poor people suffer from them. |
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| 02:16.31 | dpkg | pf is, like, pink floyd, or a BSD packet filter (not related to Pink Floyd) |
| 02:16.32 | al0r | rdancer: ok, tell me the names of it :)) |
| 02:16.37 | dondelelcaro | s/is/his/ |
| 02:16.41 | simonrvn | knoppyx: they banned your host name. what did you do to earn a ban? |
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| 02:16.54 | rdancer | al0r: don't know, sorry :-) |
| 02:16.57 | MasterRa | ok, anybody else seen something like this when trying to 'make config' on the vanilla 2.6 kernel?: scripts/fixdep.c:97:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 02:16.59 | al0r | rdancer: ok :) |
| 02:17.03 | rahul | sgeigerbot: halliburton is being shafted for $6 billion because of bush's foolishness, and they get $60 million in "overcharging" |
| 02:17.09 | nenolod | hello? |
| 02:17.15 | knoppyx | lots this really had to earn this ban |
| 02:17.18 | nenolod | I kinda need some help here? |
| 02:17.25 | MasterRa | lol |
| 02:17.26 | simonrvn | rahul: oh, as if haliburton is suffering... pluh-lease |
| 02:17.31 | disposable | i know i'm gonna get smacked 4 this but how do you get that curses based menu asking you whether you want to scan another debian-cd or ftp or http or... hm? |
| 02:17.34 | thomas_adam | nenolod: /topic |
| 02:17.37 | rdancer | al0r: wait... |
| 02:17.40 | thomas_adam | ~tell nenolod about ask |
| 02:17.41 | al0r | oki |
| 02:17.45 | rahul | simonrvn: so you're saying that successful companies should be punished? |
| 02:18.04 | simonrvn | rahul: i never said such a thing. don't put words in mouth |
| 02:18.07 | simonrvn | my* |
| 02:18.10 | knoppyx | yes |
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| 02:18.15 | nenolod | thomas_adam, yes |
| 02:18.16 | nenolod | I asked |
| 02:18.22 | nenolod | You all didnt notice. |
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| 02:18.29 | MasterRa | nenolod: what did you need? |
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| 02:18.38 | rahul | simonrvn: you said that they should be given this unnecessary liability because they aren't "suffering" |
| 02:18.38 | nenolod | I need to know how to get this audigy LS working |
| 02:18.45 | nenolod | because it isnt emu10k1 as expected |
| 02:18.49 | knoppyx | knoppix, get a real nick |
| 02:18.51 | MasterRa | hmmmmm |
| 02:18.55 | simonrvn | rahul: 02:17:26 simonrvn | rahul: oh, as if haliburton is suffering... pluh-lease |
| 02:19.06 | simonrvn | don't mis-quote me on top of it |
| 02:19.12 | rahul | simonrvn: do you think $6 billion is small change, then? |
| 02:19.20 | MasterRa | nenolod: sorry, don't know anything about it. Know anything about compiling a 2.6 kernel and it failing ot make config? :) |
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| 02:19.31 | simonrvn | rahul: small change as compared to what? *my* income? |
| 02:19.41 | rahul | simonrvn: the amount is around $50 billion if you take into account all companies in the country. |
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| 02:20.01 | rdancer | al0r: here we go: kernel config option CONFIG_FILTER, read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/networking/filter.txt for further reference |
| 02:20.05 | rahul | at least, that's my guesstimate. it might be low, actually, since honeywell and GE probably have bigger liabilities than halliburton |
| 02:20.07 | simonrvn | rahul: before you start ranting about how a multi-billion dollar corporation is suffering, look as to where you get your facts |
| 02:20.11 | rahul | simonrvn: as compared to ANYTHING |
| 02:20.18 | disposable | how do you get that curses based menu asking you whether you want to scan another debian-cd or ftp or http or... hm? want to add another source to my sources.list but not manually |
| 02:20.21 | knoppyx | fo you think that usa dosent have any more oil reserves and thats why they ataced iraque ? |
| 02:20.23 | rdancer | al0r: but u don't want to do this, and you _want_ to go iptables/ipchains |
| 02:20.25 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 02:20.27 | rahul | simonrvn: from the people who are suing that corporation |
| 02:20.44 | rahul | knoppyx: oil output in the US has gone up quite a bit recently. |
| 02:20.58 | simonrvn | rahul: so be it. i really dislike corporations. they do nothing but harm people |
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| 02:21.06 | al0r | rdancer: i'm looking on it |
| 02:21.12 | rahul | knoppyx: if we wanted iraq's oil, we could have just gone there and bought the land for less cost. |
| 02:21.20 | rahul | simonrvn: you're an idiot |
| 02:21.26 | simonrvn | rahul: no |
| 02:21.27 | knoppyx | i really dislike corporative govermentes |
| 02:21.31 | rahul | simonrvn: do you really like being poor? |
| 02:21.37 | rahul | knoppyx: that's called "socialism" |
| 02:21.44 | knoppyx | no its not |
| 02:21.45 | rahul | when the corporation is the government |
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| 02:21.53 | simonrvn | rahul: not anymore than you do. but at least i'm not stuck in a dead-end job |
| 02:22.00 | MasterRa | what's called socialism? |
| 02:22.01 | knoppyx | socialisme is the oposit |
| 02:22.06 | rahul | knoppyx: HAH |
| 02:22.20 | knoppyx | ha ha ha |
| 02:22.32 | rahul | knoppyx: so the government being the corporation isn't the same as the coporation having influence in the government? |
| 02:22.45 | knoppyx | no its not the same |
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| 02:23.01 | rahul | knoppyx: you're right, the government BEING the corporation gives the corporation MORE power. competition is now ILLEGAL. |
| 02:23.04 | knoppyx | has its the peopls corporation |
| 02:23.09 | simonrvn | rahul: what you have now in the u.s. is a police state. has been so for a while now. you just don't see it |
| 02:23.18 | rahul | knoppyx: so buy stock in the corporation |
| 02:23.33 | tam | listen we need corporations; good or bad. it's just the way it is |
| 02:23.34 | knoppyx | lol |
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| 02:23.42 | rahul | simonrvn: talk to some people who lived in the former soviet union |
| 02:23.45 | simonrvn | tam: no we don't. the rich do |
| 02:23.47 | SpArTaK | is there a way for me to run an application in the console like gaim and then close the console without closing that application & does not seem to work? |
| 02:23.50 | maher | simonrvn: different ways of organizing your country give different levels of freedom and democracy - the us is still better than most |
| 02:23.53 | MasterRa | no worries, i figured it out myself. It helped to install g++ and ncurses-dev, heh.. |
| 02:23.54 | rahul | simonrvn: the rich pay your salaries |
| 02:23.57 | tam | simonrvn: it works in all ways |
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| 02:24.00 | sgeigerbot | ~+mplayer |
| 02:24.02 | | rumour has it, mplayer is see http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html, or written by bigger assholes than openembedded, or at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/, or debianized and precompiled at http://marillat.free.fr/ |
| 02:24.02 | rahul | simonrvn: and make the things you want to buy |
| 02:24.11 | rdancer | SpArTaK: nohup |
| 02:24.13 | rdancer | !nohup |
| 02:24.22 | simonrvn | rahul: riiiight. do you know how much the richest people in canada pay as to taxes? less than 100$ |
| 02:24.24 | knoppyx | i think democracy has evolved much lately |
| 02:24.25 | rahul | simonrvn: if you don't like the corporations, don't buy their stuff. eat only what you make. |
| 02:24.25 | nictuku | can i force apt-proxy to check for changes on a apt-get update? |
| 02:24.32 | knoppyx | but on the wrong way |
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| 02:24.41 | simonrvn | rahul: yes. exactly. |
| 02:24.41 | SpArTaK | rdancer: could you provide an example please like !nohup giam? |
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| 02:24.48 | rahul | simonrvn: because the amount they spend gets taxed many times as it goes to the workers. |
| 02:24.57 | rdancer | SpArTaK: nohup --help |
| 02:24.59 | rahul | simonrvn: great, you're now unaffected by the corporations |
| 02:25.12 | rdancer | SpArTaK: ;-) |
| 02:25.14 | rahul | simonrvn: therefore, you can't claim that they're evil because they don't do anything to you |
| 02:25.20 | SpArTaK | rdancer: thanks! |
| 02:25.26 | cassio_ | hey.. anyone here knows how can I change mailbox with mutt when I already selected one? hmm.. maybe the question is.. how can I back to "mailboxes menu" ? :) |
| 02:25.37 | rahul | simonrvn: a corporation is simply a way for people to share in the ownership of a company. what is bad about that anyway? |
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| 02:25.40 | rdancer | cassio_: `c' |
| 02:25.44 | thomas_adam | cassio_: mutt -f |
| 02:25.50 | rahul | simonrvn: you can buy a piece of a corporation if you want. |
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| 02:25.52 | knoppyx | ive read a sf boock that clains that in the future the world is gona be ruled by corportions :D |
| 02:25.55 | simonrvn | rahul: the middle class gets the most taxed. duh. and they pay through the nose. the rich should be paying the taxes, but the laws are drawn up by them. so that's not bloody liekly to happen is it? |
| 02:26.00 | leonel | Hello : Where can I see how the security is handled by the kernel maintainer or I should download the kernel source and make my DEBS |
| 02:26.04 | maher | rahul: corporations aren't deomcratic |
| 02:26.04 | knoppyx | i bet bill gates has read it too |
| 02:26.09 | sgeigerbot | ~+mplayer |
| 02:26.11 | | mplayer is probably see http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html, or written by bigger assholes than openembedded, or at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/, or debianized and precompiled at http://marillat.free.fr/ |
| 02:26.11 | rahul | maher: wrong. |
| 02:26.17 | simonrvn | rahul: i don't want their grubby filthy blood-money on me |
| 02:26.19 | cassio_ | rdancer: thanx |
| 02:26.20 | maher | rahul: i'm right |
| 02:26.25 | erik | openembedded are assholes? |
| 02:26.28 | rahul | maher: no you're not. learn what a corporation is. |
| 02:26.33 | maher | rahul: explain |
| 02:26.35 | rahul | simonrvn: right... |
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| 02:27.00 | rahul | maher: a corporation is where the ownership is shared and can be exchanged. all owners get to vote based on their stake in the company. |
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| 02:27.23 | hez | Greets! |
| 02:27.23 | maher | rahul: voting proportional to wealth is not democracy |
| 02:27.28 | rahul | maher: if you're saying that people who don't own any of the company don't get to vote, that's foolish |
| 02:27.37 | dondelelcaro | maher: not necesarily... |
| 02:27.40 | rahul | maher: oh, so I should be able to vote on what you do with your money? |
| 02:27.41 | tam | anyway, this is getting a wee bit OT here :) |
| 02:27.48 | maher | rahul: what about people who work for the company, or are affected by its actions? |
| 02:27.49 | simonrvn | rahul: you get as many votes as you have money. that's a crock of shit |
| 02:27.55 | petemc | getting? |
| 02:28.02 | rahul | maher: they choosed to be in that situation |
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| 02:28.05 | rahul | chose, even |
| 02:28.10 | yo_linux | rahul: for board and policy, but the managers etc do the day-to-day, which is the bit that interfaces with us. |
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| 02:28.13 | tam | petemc: OK wayyyyy OT :-) |
| 02:28.15 | rahul | simonrvn: no, you get as many votes as you INVESTED money |
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| 02:28.25 | rahul | yo_linux: same as any government |
| 02:28.27 | hez | I am installing a 2.6 kernel with nvidia/lirc/bluetooth and having a couple problems.. I'm following a howto AE Schulman but not having any luck with it |
| 02:28.33 | rahul | yo_linux: do you vote for your ambassadors? |
| 02:28.36 | dondelelcaro | anywho... /me points to #politics |
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| 02:29.00 | maher | rahul: i believe people's infuence over decisions should be proportional to how much they are affected by them |
| 02:29.07 | yo_linux | rahul: the argument was that corps are democratic. plainly they are not. |
| 02:29.09 | knoppyx | invest mony in propaganda is a waist |
| 02:29.24 | hez | I have 2.6 booting, but x fails to load I don't understand the error.. it says 'Fatal server error. Caught signal 11' |
| 02:29.27 | thiccups | rahul: the US is not a democracy either its a representative republic |
| 02:29.30 | rahul | maher: they can decide to not be affected by them. they get paid for their work. that's it. if they want more, they should do what they need to get that power. |
| 02:29.39 | rahul | thiccups: that's not what I asked. |
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| 02:29.49 | rahul | yo_linux: they are. the citizens are the owners, tho |
| 02:29.56 | yo_linux | rahul: baloney. |
| 02:29.58 | rahul | yo_linux: it's their corporation, they own it. |
| 02:30.04 | thiccups | rahul: just thought you seemed to have that confused per an earlier statement |
| 02:30.13 | rahul | yo_linux: so should I get to decide what you do with your life? |
| 02:30.14 | rdancer | anybody: really, #politics is almost empty! |
| 02:30.19 | rahul | thiccups: I didn't |
| 02:30.27 | yo_linux | rahul: you've never been in a board meeting, have you? |
| 02:30.32 | rahul | hez: strace it and see where it's happening |
| 02:30.34 | rdancer | anybody: let's get over! ;-)) |
| 02:30.45 | hez | rahul: strace? |
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| 02:30.49 | asg | tam: glad you got it working; sorry I had to leave so precipitously |
| 02:30.50 | rahul | yo_linux: I don't own enough of a company for it to be worth my time bothering |
| 02:30.52 | rahul | hez: yes |
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| 02:31.10 | yo_linux | rahul: wether you get to decide re my life has nothing to do with corps being democratic or not. |
| 02:31.12 | rahul | yo_linux: better to spend my time doing something where I get something in return. |
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| 02:31.19 | agerd | alright i'd like to install debian however the link for the "testing" net install release isnt working. |
| 02:31.23 | rahul | yo_linux: if you own the damn thing, you have a say |
| 02:31.24 | Acid`X | !test |
| 02:31.24 | dpkg | Yes, acid`x, you're still online. |
| 02:31.31 | philips_ | I have a DSL router, and my WIndows clients connect fine, but under Linux I can only ping servers, not connect |
| 02:31.36 | philips_ | Any ideas? |
| 02:31.37 | agerd | where is the best place to get the minimal cd ? so i can install over the net? |
| 02:31.41 | rahul | yo_linux: if you don't, you don't get a say on how they spend their own money |
| 02:31.46 | maher | rahul: you can't decide not to be affected by the decisions of corporations - they affect the whole economy |
| 02:31.46 | hez | rahul: ei! it out puts lots of crap ;) |
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| 02:31.51 | tam | asg: heh no problem man! i actually messed up. i thought it was ssh_config and not sshd |
| 02:31.53 | petemc | philips_: dns set up correctly? |
| 02:31.54 | tam | _config |
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| 02:32.01 | rahul | yo_linux: if you buy that philosophy, then I should get to vote on how you spend your life. |
| 02:32.03 | tam | (only cos i thought there was only one) |
| 02:32.11 | rdancer | philips_: firewall? |
| 02:32.14 | rahul | maher: you can choose to not be in that part of the economy |
| 02:32.15 | yo_linux | rahul: ok. you keep your simplistic ideas on how they run. I won't ruin it for you. |
| 02:32.16 | asg | tam: a simple mistake |
| 02:32.19 | philips_ | petemc, yes my Windows clients can connect fine |
| 02:32.30 | rahul | hah |
| 02:32.33 | simonrvn | rahul: same difference. that isn't democratic in the least |
| 02:32.34 | maher | rahul: you could choose to try and organize the economy differently |
| 02:32.34 | carlos_rp | someone have any idea why lilo would make appear just a sequence of 0s and 7s instead of booting a new system? |
| 02:32.35 | petemc | philips_: yes, but on the linux box can you ping www.google.com |
| 02:32.53 | yo_linux | rahul: what? the 'philosophy' that corps are not democratic? |
| 02:32.54 | rdancer | carlos_rp: have you rtfm'd? |
| 02:32.56 | philips_ | petemc, yes but I can't make a http connection |
| 02:32.59 | thiccups | rahul: if corps are a democracy do shareholders get a say when it goes bankrupt and divided? |
| 02:33.00 | erik | what does 'same difference' mean |
| 02:33.13 | rahul | thiccups: no, because it was repossessed |
| 02:33.17 | rdancer | carlos_rp: the docs are exhaustive iirc |
| 02:33.19 | carlos_rp | rdancer rtfm'd? |
| 02:33.20 | philips_ | petemc, I am under windows, and can connect to everything. |
| 02:33.24 | rdancer | !rtfm |
| 02:33.25 | dpkg | from memory, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might also try info foo as well.] |
| 02:33.48 | carlos_rp | !rtfm |
| 02:33.48 | dpkg | it has been said that rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might also try info foo as well.] |
| 02:33.52 | hez | rahul: i can't make heads nor tails of that |
| 02:33.54 | rahul | thiccups: your company couldn't pay off its loans so the creditors get the shares |
| 02:34.01 | carlos_rp | I tried that already |
| 02:34.06 | simonrvn | carlos_rp: we saw it already, we don't need to see again twice in a row. thanks |
| 02:34.12 | rahul | hez: look for where it gets that signal and see what happened just before |
| 02:34.16 | rdancer | carlos_rp: what did it say? |
| 02:34.17 | petemc | philips_: is it just a bog standard router? nothing liek ms proxy server or anything? |
| 02:34.19 | yo_linux | rahul: the facts are that it's not just the owners that have a stake in a corporation. Giving full control to the owners has never been a good idea, and always works out bad. |
| 02:34.27 | agerd | anyone have a linke for me to an updated minimal install iso? |
| 02:34.29 | hez | rahul: http://burnaby.f00f.net/strace.txt |
| 02:34.38 | asg | !+mini-iso |
| 02:34.42 | rahul | yo_linux: so I should be allowed to decide what you do with your time? |
| 02:34.46 | carlos_rp | rdancer I couldn't find anything about this error |
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| 02:34.55 | philips | petemc , it is one of those consumer wireless routers |
| 02:34.55 | asg | agerd: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 02:34.57 | rahul | yo_linux: even though I never had a contract saying that I'd pay you for it |
| 02:35.07 | yo_linux | rahul: what? that has nuthing to do with corps! please explain. |
| 02:35.22 | rahul | yo_linux: corporations are just entities that are owned by people |
| 02:35.31 | rahul | yo_linux: if you don't own it, it's not yours |
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| 02:35.37 | rdancer | carlos_rp: wait... |
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| 02:35.48 | simonrvn | rahul: technically and legally they are persons. though that is going to change. |
| 02:35.55 | rahul | "going to"? |
| 02:35.56 | yo_linux | rahul: If I don't own it, I can still have a stake in it. |
| 02:36.09 | agerd | thanks asg |
| 02:36.10 | maher | rahul: i still like my motto - so yes - this does mean that other people's decisions will affect what youcan do - but this is the case currrently anyway - the question is what sort of infuence |
| 02:36.11 | rahul | yo_linux: you don't have a real stake in it |
| 02:36.12 | simonrvn | rahul: yes going to. google for it |
| 02:36.15 | pmcalpin | hmmm... i deleted my /var/log/boot ... then I did a 'touch /var/log/boot', but nothing is showing up anymore |
| 02:36.23 | rahul | simonrvn: right... |
| 02:36.25 | rahul | anywy. |
| 02:36.37 | yo_linux | rahul: oh yes. just not a monetary stake. |
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| 02:37.12 | rahul | yo_linux: if the customers wanted to own the corporation, they could have bought it |
| 02:37.23 | rahul | yo_linux: or started it as a joint venture. that happens all the time. |
| 02:37.35 | rahul | 3M just bought a supply-chain software company. |
| 02:37.38 | simonrvn | a couple of months ago it was found out that the trascripts that were from the court case declaring corporations as legal persons was called into question, and in fact bogus. |
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| 02:37.39 | yo_linux | rahul: maybe not, it has to be listed or for sale for that to happen. |
| 02:37.50 | JuanValdez | Hola all |
| 02:37.54 | simonrvn | bu-bye.. |
| 02:38.03 | maher | rahul: capital is not distribute evenly - so many people can't buy the corporations they work for, let alone all the corporations they interact with |
| 02:38.04 | Covener | yo_linux: a stakeholder is different than 'someone affected by' or 'someone with an interest in' |
| 02:38.13 | rahul | yo_linux: if you pay what the owners think it's worth, you can buy it |
| 02:38.28 | asg | simonrvn: night |
| 02:38.32 | yo_linux | rahul: not if the owners want to keep it. |
| 02:38.35 | simonrvn | asg: 'night |
| 02:38.36 | rdancer | carlos_rp: don't lie and go rtfm |
| 02:38.40 | simonrvn | asg: you leaving? |
| 02:38.42 | rahul | maher: and why should they be able to own something bigger than they could ever manage? |
| 02:38.52 | rahul | yo_linux: that's their right. it's their company, not yours. |
| 02:38.55 | asg | simonrvn: sorry, thought you were :) |
| 02:39.00 | simonrvn | asg: no :) |
| 02:39.00 | maher | rahul: i don't accept the current distribution of capital as equitable - one dollar one vote is not the same as one person one vote |
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| 02:39.09 | rahul | yo_linux: should SCO have a say in how linux gets distributed? |
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| 02:39.14 | rahul | yo_linux: SCO is affected by linux. |
| 02:39.15 | simonrvn | asg: i just got warmed up ;) |
| 02:39.16 | yo_linux | rahul: circular argument. |
| 02:39.17 | elephantman | Say i am logged via ssh on a remote host, i want to copy a file from where i am to certain IP ? |
| 02:39.19 | SmrtJustin | any zsh users here? |
| 02:39.22 | asg | simonrvn: I figured :) |
| 02:39.27 | rahul | yo_linux: yes, it's the right to property |
| 02:39.35 | simonrvn | property is theft |
| 02:39.38 | asg | SmrtJustin: bob2 is a hugh fan but I haven't seen him in a bit |
| 02:39.39 | elephantman | I tried : scp file user@IP but doesnt work |
| 02:39.41 | rahul | people can buy things and they have the right to use them as they see fit |
| 02:39.51 | Sebulba02 | elephantman: scp file user@ip:location |
| 02:39.52 | rahul | simonrvn: yeah, of course. voluntary sale is theft. |
| 02:39.54 | Covener | elephantman: : on remote side |
| 02:39.59 | leOn | hello ... can anyone point me out repositories with the whole unstable (or close) backported to debian stable ? |
| 02:40.01 | rahul | simonrvn: you have no ownership of your own body, then |
| 02:40.05 | mwilson | Yay, my copy of _Unix Shell Programming_ showed up today |
| 02:40.09 | maher | rahul: people can buy things according to how much money they have |
| 02:40.09 | SmrtJustin | asg, I was just curious I got it and I've been messing around with it and I was seeing if anyone else used it |
| 02:40.18 | yo_linux | rahul: so, property rights rule everything where you are. Where is that exactly? |
| 02:40.25 | rahul | maher: a corporation isn't a bunch of people. it's some money invested in a venture. |
| 02:40.34 | asg | mwilson: :) |
| 02:40.34 | rahul | yo_linux: they don't rule EVERYTHING |
| 02:40.53 | yo_linux | rahul: you just said so. |
| 02:40.53 | simonrvn | rahul: i don't own my body, i live in it. i'm a person, therefore i have my rights to me as to how to manage it. that isn't ownship, that's being alive. |
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| 02:41.03 | elephantman | Sebulba02: ok thats it i think |
| 02:41.10 | mwilson | simonrvn: Tell that to women in the US. |
| 02:41.14 | rahul | simonrvn: I can take away your body. it affects me. |
| 02:41.22 | mwilson | asg: 'tis a good book. |
| 02:41.26 | rahul | maher: and you think that's wrong? |
| 02:41.27 | Sebulba02 | elephantman: I know it is, I do it all the time :) |
| 02:41.35 | simonrvn | mwilson: yes i know about the ERA having been squashed. sick affair... |
| 02:41.42 | asg | mwilson: sadly one I don't own yet |
| 02:41.45 | elephantman | Sebulba02: thanx |
| 02:41.47 | rahul | maher: people should be able to get things just because they want it? |
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| 02:41.55 | simonrvn | rahul: no, then you'd be violating my rights to live |
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| 02:42.05 | rahul | simonrvn: too bad. I'm affected. |
| 02:42.12 | simonrvn | rahul: your problem |
| 02:42.15 | rahul | I get a say in everyhthing you do. |
| 02:42.37 | maher | rahul: I think people's influence over decisions should be proportional to how much they are effected by them |
| 02:42.40 | rahul | if you don't clean my toilet, I'm affected. |
| 02:42.56 | simonrvn | rahul: no you don't. only asofar it would affect your right to live. it doesn't therefore you have no cliam as to my living affects your living. bugger off |
| 02:42.59 | maher | rahul: indeed - so am i |
| 02:43.01 | rahul | maher: ok, so simonrvn has to clean my toilet. |
| 02:43.16 | rahul | simonrvn: you're using my oxygen |
| 02:43.21 | maher | rahul: simonrvn is also affected by that decision - so he has input too |
| 02:43.22 | rahul | simonrvn: you're not cleaning my toilet. |
| 02:43.29 | simonrvn | rahul: i have a right to choose. i choose not to clean your toilet, and tell you clean it yourself |
| 02:43.38 | rahul | maher: everyone else's input makes his insignificant |
| 02:43.49 | rahul | maher: so he has to clean everyones' toilets :) |
| 02:43.50 | maher | rahul: you forgot the proportional bit |
| 02:44.09 | rahul | simonrvn: no, you don't have a right. you just said that's bad. |
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| 02:44.17 | simonrvn | rahul: you have no clue as to what i'm talking about. i'm talking about the UDHR. ever hear of it? maybe you should read it sometime |
| 02:44.22 | rahul | simonrvn: people don't have a right to control their own money. |
| 02:44.37 | leOn | does anybody know of a repository with the whole unstable (or close) backported to debian stable ? |
| 02:44.42 | rahul | (in your world) |
| 02:44.43 | rdancer | how do I make my Debian box into a terminal .. a simple howto |
| 02:44.46 | JuanValdez | I have a Linuxnoob question. |
| 02:44.48 | rahul | leOn: backports.org |
| 02:44.56 | rahul | rdancer: it already is |
| 02:45.01 | nictuku | is it expected from apt-proxy not to behave aproprietely with apt-get update? |
| 02:45.03 | disposable | how do i get apt-setup to ask me whether i want commercial and non-us packages? |
| 02:45.05 | maher | rahul: if a company make lots of money - who does it belong to - the shareholders - the ceo - the workers - who should decide how it is divided? |
| 02:45.08 | leOn | nice one |
| 02:45.12 | leOn | thanks rahul |
| 02:45.14 | rahul | maher: the people who started it. |
| 02:45.21 | rdancer | rahul: vt100 over a serial cable... |
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| 02:45.24 | asg | leOn: erm, unstable backported to woody would still be unstable |
| 02:45.28 | J_P | hi all |
| 02:45.32 | rahul | maher: they decide who owns what and the rules of the company. |
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| 02:45.40 | rahul | rdancer: use minicom |
| 02:45.49 | maher | rahul: so current capital holders get to make the rules? |
| 02:46.01 | rahul | maher: if those were the rules that were established |
| 02:46.03 | J_P | people, anyone know what is error in mplayer : |
| 02:46.05 | J_P | [mpeg4 @ 0x84a34d0]warning: first frame is no keyframe |
| 02:46.05 | J_P | [mpeg4 @ 0x84a34d0]1. marker bit missing in 3. esc |
| 02:46.05 | J_P | [mpeg4 @ 0x84a34d0]Error at MB: 42 |
| 02:46.08 | rdancer | rahul: tried to, but couldn't make it work |
| 02:46.09 | rahul | they own the copmany after all. |
| 02:46.14 | hanasaki | i know this si a bit off topic... can i talk to someoen about the mounting of a motherboard ina case? please msg me since this is off topic. thanks |
| 02:46.14 | J_P | I PASTE ONLY 3 LINES.. |
| 02:46.17 | rahul | rdancer: well, set it up |
| 02:46.20 | maher | rahul: ok - i think curren tcapital holders make rules that are unfair |
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| 02:46.22 | J_P | but have more somes.. above.. |
| 02:46.28 | nictuku | J_P: bad encoded video, i guess. |
| 02:46.28 | rdancer | rahul: too many menues ... some simple howto? clue?? |
| 02:46.34 | simonrvn | @tell J_P about flood |
| 02:46.36 | rahul | maher: it's not your place to decide what they do with their own money |
| 02:46.44 | rahul | rdancer: too many?? |
| 02:46.55 | rdancer | rahul: s/menues/options/ |
| 02:46.56 | rahul | rdancer: just go to the one you need, to set up the port parameters or whatever |
| 02:47.11 | rahul | rdancer: did you tell it which tty to use? |
| 02:47.12 | simonrvn | rahul: if it affects my right to live, i have every right to say that it does so, and take action if necessary |
| 02:47.14 | J_P | nictuku i am ugin ffmpeg stable... |
| 02:47.16 | rdancer | rahul: and then, in the 'connection phase'?? |
| 02:47.25 | rdancer | rahul: ttyS0 |
| 02:47.27 | rahul | simonrvn: too bad. I have as much say as you. |
| 02:47.29 | maher | rahul: i think democracy is more important than property rights - and if the people currently with property can maintain it by an unfair economy they will clearly do so |
| 02:47.40 | disposable | J_P: well that means the film is corrupted. you have a choice of either skipping the screwed-up part (right arrow) or letting it stop spitting out error messages |
| 02:47.41 | rahul | rdancer: man minicom. pass this stuff on the command line, I think |
| 02:47.41 | simonrvn | rahul: yes exactly. and you should |
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| 02:47.42 | mwilson | simonrvn: I wasn't referring specifically to the ERA, but I suppose that works well enough. |
| 02:47.57 | rahul | maher: if it's unfair, you can choose to not buy from them |
| 02:47.57 | simonrvn | mwilson: heh |
| 02:47.58 | asg | rahul: anything you say or do is allowed unless it affects others (at which point a quorum and community consensus needs to be founded) |
| 02:47.59 | rdancer | rahul: any quick prototyping here ? |
| 02:48.06 | rahul | simonrvn: so it's a tie. |
| 02:48.11 | rahul | rdancer: eh? |
| 02:48.13 | simonrvn | rahul: what's a tie? |
| 02:48.17 | rdancer | rahul: like get to know the basic layer is working |
| 02:48.22 | rahul | asg: not what simonrvn thinks |
| 02:48.26 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: the thing arounf your neck is a tie? |
| 02:48.31 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: hehe |
| 02:48.37 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: no, my hair ;) |
| 02:48.37 | rahul | rdancer: well, use the right port and see |
| 02:48.42 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: ha! |
| 02:48.49 | rahul | simonrvn: it means that everyone else votes, too |
| 02:48.53 | asg | rahul: missed most of the discussion, sorry. |
| 02:48.56 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: pony-tail? |
| 02:49.01 | rdancer | rahul: ok , thnx. it pisses me off my question are not simple to answer... |
| 02:49.07 | rahul | simonrvn: and you get 1/6,000,000,000 of a say in what you do with your life |
| 02:49.08 | leOn | asd: i'm aware of that ... happens that i just had to install a WHOLE systema with testing because of samba3 ... better if i could keep it stable with only that package from testing/unstable no ? |
| 02:49.09 | simonrvn | no, just shoulder length right now |
| 02:49.18 | rahul | rdancer: it's simply answered in the man page |
| 02:49.21 | leOn | asg, i mean |
| 02:49.21 | JuanValdez | When telnetted from a Shell I need to xfer files. How? I cannot run SZ. |
| 02:49.22 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: ah, a true hacker :) |
| 02:49.34 | thomas_adam | JuanValdez: ? |
| 02:49.35 | rahul | JuanValdez: install it. |
| 02:49.41 | rahul | JuanValdez: or use ftp, ffs |
| 02:49.44 | rahul | or scp |
| 02:49.44 | maher | rahul: i'm working on it but its slow... in lots of areas its hard to find meaningful choices without a lot of work |
| 02:49.49 | JuanValdez | I can't use ftp. |
| 02:49.49 | rahul | or rcp |
| 02:49.56 | rdancer | rahul: nope ... i'll give it a try 2^H3^H6th time |
| 02:50.01 | simonrvn | rahul: you're talking about what we have currently, in the west. i know all that. doesn't mean i have to like it. i also think it's extremely unfair |
| 02:50.02 | JuanValdez | I have SZ installed but it doesn't seem to make the connection. |
| 02:50.04 | rahul | maher: work is evil |
| 02:50.07 | asg | leOn: ah okay, the backports reference above is the one you need then |
| 02:50.19 | thomas_adam | JuanValdez: cat the files, and write the contents out by hand and then scan them back into your computer using OCR |
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| 02:50.29 | rahul | simonrvn: um, bullshit |
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| 02:50.44 | rahul | simonrvn: you're saying that you'll actually clean my toilet? |
| 02:50.47 | simonrvn | rahul: why is what i think bullshit? because it isn't what you think? |
| 02:50.51 | J_P | disposable i have two videos generated is diferents times... one is good... and other is bad with thats warnings... but i not changes confs.. |
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| 02:50.53 | Sebulba02 | thomas_adam: thats a grand way to do it.. what if it was binary? :) |
| 02:50.54 | thomas_adam | rahul: nope, the BS is on you |
| 02:50.59 | asg | thomas_adam: smells like beer time, I know |
| 02:51.00 | rahul | simonrvn: no, because you're not cleaning my toilet |
| 02:51.03 | J_P | thomas_adam hello |
| 02:51.04 | thomas_adam | Sebulba02: "man strings" |
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| 02:51.08 | thomas_adam | J_P: hello :) |
| 02:51.10 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 02:51.11 | simonrvn | rahul: your problem. not mine |
| 02:51.12 | JuanValdez | Yeah, thomas_adam that sounds like the shiznit. |
| 02:51.13 | thomas_adam | Sebulba02: :) |
| 02:51.24 | rahul | simonrvn: it's your fault, and you have to clean it |
| 02:51.27 | thomas_adam | JuanValdez: I jest :) |
| 02:52.06 | JuanValdez | I figured. |
| 02:52.06 | rahul | simonrvn: I vote that you have to clean my toilet, so do it :) |
| 02:52.06 | thomas_adam | rahul: but you're full of shite.... |
| 02:52.06 | thomas_adam | oh yeah... |
| 02:52.06 | thomas_adam | hence the cleaning the toilet |
| 02:52.06 | leOn | JuanValdez, can you run your own applications in the remote host ? |
| 02:52.07 | asg | thomas_adam: I'd be concerned if his bog was full of shiite |
| 02:52.25 | rdancer | can I run minicom locally (like loopback)? pty? how to setup? entry in /etc/inittab? how? |
| 02:52.27 | JuanValdez | I am a Linux noob... from the Winders world I am used to using a term program and sending the file but I can't SZ from my console AM have the host recieve simultaneously. |
| 02:52.36 | JuanValdez | leon: Yes |
| 02:52.37 | thomas_adam | rdancer: man 5 inittab |
| 02:52.46 | rdancer | thomas_adam: so easy? |
| 02:52.56 | thomas_adam | rdancer: if you can read, yes :) |
| 02:53.03 | leOn | JuanValdez, better this way ... does that host have ssh daemon ? |
| 02:53.13 | rahul | simonrvn: your policy is that everyone else should decide what a person does with their money. if you really believe that, you must pay someone to clean my toilet. |
| 02:53.30 | rdancer | thomas_adam: no mention of pty or pseudo in inittab(5), sorry |
| 02:53.31 | JuanValdez | Yeah. I don't see the connection. |
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| 02:53.45 | rahul | rdancer: init doesn't deal with ptys |
| 02:53.50 | rahul | rdancer: why would it? |
| 02:53.54 | thomas_adam | rahul: if I s/^r/b/ on your nickname, I get something very close to sounding like "bull" |
| 02:53.56 | leOn | JuanValdez, telnet host 22 |
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| 02:54.01 | rdancer | rahul: can I run minicom locally (like loopback)? pty? how to setup? entry in /etc/inittab? how? |
| 02:54.09 | leOn | see if it accepts the connection |
| 02:54.30 | rahul | thomas_adam: if I s/thomas_adam/moron/ on your nickname, I get something very close to souning like "moron". hrhr. |
| 02:54.38 | thomas_adam | rahul: :) |
| 02:54.49 | rdancer | rahul: lol |
| 02:54.53 | rahul | rdancer: huh? why? |
| 02:55.02 | thomas_adam | rdancer: do you mean tty or pty? |
| 02:55.04 | rdancer | rdancer: thomas_adam lol |
| 02:55.15 | J_P | disposable you is here ? |
| 02:55.16 | rahul | rdancer: what on earth are you trying to connect to? |
| 02:55.20 | rdancer | thomas_adam: guess |
| 02:55.34 | rahul | rdancer: minicom is what connects your tty to a serial port |
| 02:55.52 | thomas_adam | rdancer: you tell me...pty's are for things like xterms. tty's can do serial via getty (man 5 inittab) |
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| 02:56.05 | rahul | rdancer: ptys are created by the app that serves up a terminal, not by the client. |
| 02:56.10 | rdancer | rahul: would like to test the minicom, as I have only one serial port, and would've to disconnect this fruitful discussion otherwise (notebook <-> slip <-> internet) |
| 02:56.20 | thomas_adam | J_P: how goes it? |
| 02:56.39 | rahul | rdancer: minicom only connects to serial ports |
| 02:56.43 | rahul | at least afaik. |
| 02:57.08 | rdancer | rahul: aha... any emulation to try it out? |
| 02:57.17 | J_P | thomas_adam i am fine and you ? |
| 02:57.23 | rdancer | rahul: where can I learn 'bout ptys? |
| 02:57.27 | thomas_adam | J_P: not too bad, thanks. |
| 02:57.34 | J_P | heheh |
| 02:57.34 | rahul | rdancer: ptys are... well... a bit more complex |
| 02:57.36 | thomas_adam | rdancer: man -k pty |
| 02:57.42 | Scuzzi | how do i know if my 2.4 hyperthreaded p4 is working properly? should there be two entries in /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 02:57.49 | rdancer | thomas_adam: SHUT UP |
| 02:57.53 | rahul | rdancer: you can't just "use them" you have to create them and define how they work. |
| 02:57.53 | petemc | Scuzzi: yes |
| 02:58.11 | Scuzzi | petemc: so i only have one entry, and i have SMP built into the kernel.. what am i missing? |
| 02:58.19 | rdancer | rahul: ok, docs to rtfm? |
| 02:58.22 | recall | I recently compiled the alsa drivers 2.6.0, and when I try to play anything with alsa support (such as aplay, amixer, or the alsa xmms pluging) I get "No such file or directory" errors. |
| 02:58.27 | rahul | rdancer: what thomas_adam said |
| 02:58.30 | thomas_adam | rdancer: *shrug* |
| 02:58.32 | petemc | Scuzzi: acpi to enumerate the second processor |
| 02:58.37 | J_P | thomas_adam i am serius problem with generate video from v4l... video when start with mplayer send "first frame not keyframe" |
| 02:58.51 | rdancer | rahul: apropos pty? |
| 02:58.57 | rdancer | rahul: says nothing |
| 02:59.00 | thomas_adam | J_P: have you asked in #mplayer ? I am more of a xine user |
| 02:59.00 | rahul | recall: you need to create the device nodes. or be sane and use devfs. |
| 02:59.11 | rahul | rdancer: install manpages-dev |
| 02:59.11 | simonrvn | rahul: that makes absolutely no sense |
| 02:59.12 | thomas_adam | rdancer: man -k pty returns some |
| 02:59.12 | rdancer | rahul: i /ignored him because of that :-)) |
| 02:59.14 | Scuzzi | petemc: can you can expand on that a little bit? |
| 02:59.24 | Covener | j_p: how did you generate the avi? |
| 02:59.24 | rahul | simonrvn: it makes as much sense as what you sai |
| 02:59.25 | rahul | d |
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| 02:59.35 | petemc | Scuzzi: grep your .config for acpi, youll see what i mean |
| 02:59.35 | rdancer | rahul: a-haa! how do I de-/ignore him ? (irc newbie) |
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| 02:59.38 | rahul | simonrvn: you said that corporations should be controlled by everyone in the world |
| 02:59.46 | simonrvn | rahul: like if you're going to argue for or against or other about something, at least make sense |
| 02:59.48 | Covener | j_p: did you drop some ridiculous amount of frames during the capture? |
| 02:59.50 | rahul | rdancer: depends on your irc client... /unignore? |
| 02:59.55 | J_P | thomas_adam all sleeping :-) |
| 02:59.56 | sgeigerbot | rahul: #social-whateverness |
| 03:00.00 | rahul | simonrvn: I'm making as much sense as you |
| 03:00.03 | J_P | code__ ues .avi coder mpeg-4 |
| 03:00.07 | J_P | codec |
| 03:00.07 | simonrvn | rahul: uh, no. want me to quote from my logs? |
| 03:00.11 | rahul | simonrvn: sure |
| 03:00.24 | rahul | simonrvn: note that everyone is affected by the actions of everyone else. |
| 03:00.25 | recall | rahul, can you point me to some documentation on using the alsa modules with devfs? |
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| 03:00.40 | rahul | recall: just compile the kernel with devfs on boot and install devfsd |
| 03:00.49 | simonrvn | rahul: doh |
| 03:00.58 | J_P | Covener i am using default conf of ffmpeg... |
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| 03:01.03 | rahul | some people say that udev is the "new" way to do it, but I can't find docs for it |
| 03:01.14 | rahul | simonrvn: ...? |
| 03:01.15 | Covener | j_p: To capture or to encode or both? I thought you said mplayer |
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| 03:01.32 | somiaj | I thought devfs was being depricated and is no longer really used. |
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| 03:01.34 | recall | rahul, thank you. |
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| 03:01.49 | rahul | somiaj: that's what I said |
| 03:01.59 | J_P | Covener cam02:~# ffmpeg http://192.168.0.200:8090/feed1.ffm |
| 03:02.01 | thomas_adam | rahul: try not to be too annoying :) |
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| 03:02.12 | stever | how do i setup nfs to use a different user than "-2" as my default nfs user? |
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| 03:02.21 | thomas_adam | rdancer: wb |
| 03:02.38 | Covener | j_p: You're not answering my questions |
| 03:02.39 | J_P | Covener for capture i use ffmpeg... and for see in other machine a I use mplayer.. understand.. |
| 03:02.56 | J_P | Covener answer above ? |
| 03:03.01 | somiaj | rahul: ahh, I should page up but sometimes that is a bit diffcult, usally lots of commotion in here...(: |
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| 03:03.06 | thomas_adam | stever: ? |
| 03:03.16 | _Hugo_msgmeifdsa | still no dsa? |
| 03:03.17 | rahul | somiaj: well, it was the last thing I said before you said that :P |
| 03:03.18 | thomas_adam | stever: your question makes no sense |
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| 03:03.26 | thomas_adam | stever: -2 cannot be a user |
| 03:03.31 | shoutt | how would i configure the sudoers file to give acces to a specific user? |
| 03:03.42 | asg | shoutt: visudo (man sudoers) |
| 03:03.44 | rdancer__ | rahul: ii manpages-dev 1.39-1.1 Linux-development man pages. |
| 03:03.44 | LoRez | shoutt: man sudoers |
| 03:03.45 | thomas_adam | shoutt: man 5 sudoers |
| 03:03.58 | stever | thomas_adam: when i use squash all, it defaults to nobody and i cannot access home directories (in write mode) |
| 03:03.59 | shoutt | I was reading that |
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| 03:04.07 | rahul | rdancer__: yes |
| 03:04.08 | Spencer | Great news everyone! |
| 03:04.10 | shoutt | its pretty complicated, and there isnt any examples. |
| 03:04.12 | sgeigerbot | shoutt: http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 03:04.16 | thomas_adam | stever: man exports |
| 03:04.23 | rahul | Spencer: you saved a bunch of money on your car insurance? |
| 03:04.28 | asg | rahul: hahaha |
| 03:04.31 | rahul | :P |
| 03:04.33 | Covener | j_p: have you tried a diff codec during the encoding to troubleshoot? Have you tried viewing it w/ any other video players? |
| 03:04.37 | shoutt | sgeigerbot: thanks |
| 03:04.40 | asg | !+geicosmite rahul |
| 03:04.45 | rahul | hey, I gotta advertise for the company I own ;) |
| 03:04.51 | stever | thomas_adam: did that but the closest thing was anongid and anonuid (which seem to only work when the user "root" accesses from remote machines |
| 03:04.52 | rdancer__ | rahul: apropos pty is worthless, it was installed before |
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| 03:04.55 | Spencer | I just finished building my new computer. A lot of time was put into it. I need to go setup the BIOS right now. |
| 03:04.57 | shoutt | Spencer: you lowered your cholesterol? |
| 03:04.57 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.03 | rahul | shoutt: HEH |
| 03:05.16 | thomas_adam | stever: it defaults to nobody because of the perms that portmap runs under, IIRC |
| 03:05.18 | shoutt | :-P |
| 03:05.26 | rdancer__ | rahul: tell me the manpage name, pls |
| 03:05.30 | sgeigerbot | rahul: he lives close to me |
| 03:05.33 | stever | thomas_adam: not less than 1024. |
| 03:05.37 | J_P | Covener yes, i try with vlc and problem is equal, then i think problem is on generate (ffmpeg) |
| 03:05.46 | Spencer | Could someone give me a list of links _directly_ to what I should download for putting Debian GNU/Linux on the computer. Remember, it has just been built. |
| 03:05.50 | rahul | rdancer__: openpty for a start |
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| 03:05.59 | asg | Spencer: /msg dpkg ig |
| 03:06.02 | rahul | sgeigerbot: you hick |
| 03:06.05 | stever | how do i change the perms of who runs portmap? |
| 03:06.15 | rdancer__ | rahul: openpty: nothing appropriate. |
| 03:06.16 | sgeigerbot | stever: sudo |
| 03:06.17 | thomas_adam | rahul: I have told him to man -k pty already, he just ignores me. It's his problem now. |
| 03:06.20 | rahul | damn hick bots |
| 03:06.23 | rahul | rdancer__: man openpty |
| 03:06.30 | stever | ahhhhhhhh |
| 03:06.33 | rdancer__ | rahul: yes, openpty: nothing appropriate. |
| 03:06.39 | thomas_adam | rdancer__: try reading ity |
| 03:06.43 | thomas_adam | s/ity/it/ |
| 03:06.54 | rahul | manpages-dev: /usr/share/man/man3/openpty.3.gz |
| 03:07.11 | leOn | fellas ... besides re-installing ... |
| 03:07.28 | thomas_adam | stever: ? |
| 03:07.32 | leOn | is there any way to turn a testing/unstable system into a stable one |
| 03:07.32 | leOn | ? |
| 03:07.50 | thomas_adam | leOn: not easily |
| 03:07.54 | shoutt | le0n: downgrade? |
| 03:07.54 | stever | thomas_adam: there are so many different security imps to this, i wanna get it right |
| 03:07.56 | asg | leOn: not easily (/msg dpkg backport -- for the best info available) |
| 03:08.02 | Spencer | I was kind of just wanting someone to give me link(s) to the ISO images I need to burn onto a CD while I setup the BIOS. |
| 03:08.02 | asg | fuck |
| 03:08.08 | asg | leOn: s/backport/downgrade/ |
| 03:08.11 | thomas_adam | asg: Adam? |
| 03:08.13 | leOn | i can always just have the security updates, and eventually it's become stable |
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| 03:08.16 | leOn | *giggle* |
| 03:08.31 | asg | thomas_adam: slip of the tongue? |
| 03:08.31 | leOn | s/'s/'ll/ |
| 03:08.37 | thomas_adam | asg: ah |
| 03:08.46 | thomas_adam | asg: thinking out loud again? :) |
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| 03:09.00 | asg | thomas_adam: sorry, I was dreaming about rabbits :) |
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| 03:09.13 | thomas_adam | hahaha |
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| 03:09.20 | stever | thomas_adam: i want to setup my test machine to be world readable from one machine (that can access root to the test machine via nfs), so should i give the user nobody (on the test machine running nfs) more access or use sudo via portmap? |
| 03:09.31 | stever | sgeigerbot: ? |
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| 03:09.38 | thomas_adam | stever: nooooooooooooo |
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| 03:09.46 | thomas_adam | stever: do not mess with nobody |
| 03:09.55 | thomas_adam | stever: he has other responsibiltiies, too |
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| 03:10.05 | CueballUK | find /var/www/virtual_host/* | grep access.log | chmod 644 * |
| 03:10.09 | sgeigerbot | stever: http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 03:10.09 | snowball | hello |
| 03:10.21 | thomas_adam | CueballUK: umm.... |
| 03:10.23 | CueballUK | Would that make all named access.log chmod 644? |
| 03:10.41 | Spencer | What should I choose? |
| 03:10.41 | Spencer | http://www.debian.org/distrib/cd |
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| 03:11.04 | Annirak | Just a question: using sed -e 's/regex/replacement/' do the special escape characters \1 through \9 work in the replacement section? |
| 03:11.04 | stever | thomas_adam: k, so how would a person go about giving nfs un-restirckted access to a mount to test home drives etc? (without the remote user using uid 0 on the remote machine? (ala squash_all)? |
| 03:11.09 | nictuku | is d.o/devel/wnpp/being_packaged not being updated or my browser or ISP's cache refusing to reload it? here it dates from nov 20 2003. |
| 03:11.18 | rahul | Spencer: none. read the instal ldoc. |
| 03:11.24 | rahul | install doc, even |
| 03:11.28 | thomas_adam | CueballUK: cd /var/www/virtual_host && find . -exec grep access.log ; chown 644 \{\} \; |
| 03:11.46 | CueballUK | Thnx thomas_adam |
| 03:11.47 | stever | sgeigerbot: i would like not to have nobody always using sudo to ls etc. |
| 03:11.52 | thomas_adam | stever: man exports and man fstab |
| 03:11.54 | thomas_adam | CueballUK: yw |
| 03:11.58 | J_P | Covener with vlc i have one error mre : |
| 03:12.06 | J_P | Covener [00000190] ffmpeg decoder error: more than 5 seconds of late video -> dropping f |
| 03:12.06 | J_P | rame (computer too slow ?) |
| 03:12.29 | Deep6 | anyone an ldap guru in here? |
| 03:12.39 | thomas_adam | J_P: is DMA enabled for your dvd drive? |
| 03:12.44 | sgeigerbot | stever: 404 Error: Understanding Not Found |
| 03:12.44 | thomas_adam | Deep6: asg is |
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| 03:13.12 | J_P | thomas_adam i am receiving from internet... |
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| 03:13.18 | thomas_adam | J_P: ah |
| 03:13.18 | Deep6 | thomas_adam, is he awake? I've got a massive problem with my production slapd....it just shot itself in the head |
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| 03:13.40 | lucas | hiyas, can someone recommend a good apache log analyser? click-throughs, popular sites, top referrers, etc? |
| 03:13.51 | thomas_adam | lucas: there's loads |
| 03:13.54 | J_P | thomas_adam first errors is equal : [mpeg4 @ 0x847c9c0]warning: first frame is no keyframe |
| 03:13.54 | J_P | [mpeg4 @ 0x847c9c0]ac-tex damaged at 1 0 |
| 03:13.55 | J_P | [mpeg4 @ 0x847c9c0]Error at MB: 1 |
| 03:14.04 | lucas | thomas_adam, i know, that's why i'd like someone to recommend a good one |
| 03:14.06 | polm | How can I re-configure a package like I can when I first install with apt-get ? is this a "debconf' thing ? |
| 03:14.13 | thomas_adam | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:14.15 | sgeigerbot | polm: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 03:14.17 | Deep6 | asg, ? |
| 03:14.20 | stever | thomas_adam: did that done that, i can access remote /home/dirs fine when i use root from nfs client, but when i use a different user to access /home/dirs, i get no permission |
| 03:14.22 | leOn | polm, dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 03:14.32 | Deep6 | le0n check #ldap !! :) |
| 03:14.34 | rahul | can I get fbi to use a specific color depth? |
| 03:14.37 | leOn | Deep6, ops |
| 03:14.38 | leOn | =) |
| 03:14.47 | thomas_adam | stever: make them a member of a common group and chown the dir user.GROUP |
| 03:14.48 | stever | thomas_adam: i have used both squash_root and anonuid=0 and anongid=0 |
| 03:15.03 | stever | ahhhhh this now makes more sense |
| 03:15.18 | thomas_adam | stever: ;) |
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| 03:15.22 | Spencer | Where do I download the necessary ISO images in order to get Debian GNU/Linux up, running, and working. I can't find anything in the docs. |
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| 03:15.31 | thomas_adam | Spencer: www.linuxiso.org ? |
| 03:15.31 | wilylojik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:15.48 | stever | can this method be used to give remote nfs clients read access for the whole os part? |
| 03:15.52 | rahul | Spencer: you don't need any |
| 03:15.56 | wilylojik | anyone know why I might be getting that error? I get nothing in error.log, apachectl configtest checks OK and all I addded was 2 virtualhosts |
| 03:16.00 | asg | Deep6: sorry? |
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| 03:16.13 | rdancer__ | rahul: openpty() is a syscall, not a library function, correct? |
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| 03:16.25 | rahul | rdancer__: openpty(3). man man. |
| 03:16.29 | thomas_adam | rdancer__: correct |
| 03:16.38 | thomas_adam | asg: good luck :) |
| 03:16.42 | Spencer | rahul: How am I supposed to get Debian GNU/Linux on the computer that was just built (no operating system yet)? |
| 03:16.51 | rahul | Spencer: any way you want. |
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| 03:16.55 | wilylojik | Spencer: boot cd, boot floppies |
| 03:17.04 | rahul | Spencer: net boot |
| 03:17.06 | rdancer__ | rahul: man man not needed, only asked whether openpty(2) or openpty(3) ;-) |
| 03:17.10 | Deep6 | asg, I am attempting to recover from a massive problem with my slapd |
| 03:17.11 | stever | ty |
| 03:17.14 | rahul | rdancer__: well, look at it... |
| 03:17.20 | Spencer | Can I just easily make my own CD set? |
| 03:17.27 | Spencer | I don't want to have to buy from a vendor and wait. |
| 03:17.28 | asg | Deep6: ahh |
| 03:17.46 | rahul | Spencer: why do you think you need a CD set? |
| 03:17.47 | rdancer__ | rahul: personaly prefer ``whatis intro | sort -n '' ;) |
| 03:17.49 | bob2 | Spencer: of course, read the install guide : /msg dpkg ig |
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| 03:17.55 | Spencer | I already did. |
| 03:18.09 | rahul | rdancer__: nice trick :) |
| 03:18.09 | rdancer__ | rahul: locate /openpty didn't bring anything, so it's _not_ installed |
| 03:18.09 | Deep6 | asg, it just crapped out and now I am attempting to stop the server ..... and do a slapcat |
| 03:18.21 | Spencer | rahul: Because I want Debian on the computer? |
| 03:18.29 | rdancer__ | rahul: wonder whether they are not sorted by default ;) |
| 03:18.33 | thomas_adam | rdancer__: are you deliberately a moron? |
| 03:18.33 | asg | Deep6: actually, bob2 is likely to be your best bet with openldap |
| 03:18.42 | rahul | rdancer__: it's in manpages-dev |
| 03:18.44 | bob2 | haha |
| 03:18.45 | run_apt | i have a shuttle nforce2 mobo, that doesn't recognize a nic that i know works... the nic doesn't show up in lspci... any ideas where to start on this? I'm pretty sure this motherboard's pci slots are fine, since onboard pci shows up under lspci, and my last board of the exact same make/model did the same thing... |
| 03:18.49 | mwilson | <sigh> Spammers should be shot. |
| 03:18.51 | rdancer | rahul: Woody r2 |
| 03:18.55 | asg | thomas_adam: most of the ldap stuff I do deals with integrating Unix with Active Directory *shudder* |
| 03:18.59 | rahul | Spencer: so? |
| 03:19.06 | thomas_adam | mwilson: "spanner" more like |
| 03:19.09 | rahul | Spencer: I have never gotten an entire CD set. |
| 03:19.12 | Deep6 | slapcat seems to hang with the following loop sched_yield() = 0 |
| 03:19.12 | Deep6 | sched_yield() = 0 |
| 03:19.19 | rahul | Spencer: in fact, I've rarely gotten a full CD. |
| 03:19.21 | Deep6 | when I do strace |
| 03:19.32 | rdancer | rahul: tried apt-get install manpages-\*; looked through the suggestions, there is no other manpages- package, i _know_ |
| 03:19.38 | Spencer | rahul: Do I make a minimal CD? http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 03:19.45 | Deep6 | anyone know what sched_yield() is from a strace output |
| 03:19.53 | rdancer | rahul: and i _have_ manpages-dev installed... |
| 03:19.55 | rahul | Spencer: it's already made, there |
| 03:20.01 | rahul | rdancer: no idea why you don't have this file then |
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| 03:20.08 | rdancer | rahul: i can find it on the web, though. |
| 03:20.16 | rahul | apt find openpty.3 woody |
| 03:20.19 | Spencer | rahul: Do I put it on a CD I have, then put it on the computer that was just built, upstairs? |
| 03:20.24 | rahul | apt find openpty.3 sarge |
| 03:20.29 | Deep6 | asg, I'd like to hear how you get on with integrating AD and OpenLDAP.....in a better situatuib |
| 03:20.31 | rdancer | anyone: where in Debian is the openpty(3) manpage? any suggestions? |
| 03:20.32 | rahul | Spencer: do you know how CDs work? |
| 03:20.34 | Deep6 | er situation |
| 03:20.50 | Spencer | Yes |
| 03:21.06 | asg | Deep6: pam_ldap mostly does the trick |
| 03:21.13 | rdancer | !pty |
| 03:21.13 | dpkg | [pty] a Pseudo Terminal. In the 2.2 series, the switch to a ptmx/pts notation started, following unix98 specs, to avoid race conditions |
| 03:21.16 | asg | Deep6: pam_krb5 is also a good bet too |
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| 03:21.28 | trans___err | can i just mount a digital camera? |
| 03:21.31 | rdancer | dpkg: thank u very much |
| 03:21.32 | dpkg | rdancer: pas de quoi |
| 03:21.35 | Deep6 | asg, I'll have to talk to you under better circumstances... |
| 03:21.38 | rahul | trans___err: yes |
| 03:21.39 | beta3 | syo bib2 |
| 03:21.40 | beta3 | hey asg |
| 03:21.46 | rdancer | rahul: :-))) |
| 03:21.48 | Spencer | rahul: I don't get it, am I not allowed to make a minimal CD from (http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst) and boot from it from the computer upstairs? |
| 03:21.49 | rahul | hum. |
| 03:21.53 | asg | Deep6: sure, I'm around |
| 03:21.53 | Deep6 | asg, is there any equivalent to myisamcheck or anything fro LDAP? |
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| 03:21.54 | rahul | apt find openpty.3 sid |
| 03:21.55 | asg | beta3: hiya |
| 03:22.09 | thomas_adam | rahul: according to my machine, openpty is also in the package you said it is. |
| 03:22.10 | trans_err | rahul: any pointers on how... it's a brand new cam DSC p8 and isn't listed in gphoto2 but most likey works as a PTP... any tips? |
| 03:22.14 | rahul | Spencer: ask your mother, not me |
| 03:22.25 | Spencer | I'm brand new to Debian. I have no idea what to get. |
| 03:22.26 | rdancer | !ptmx |
| 03:22.30 | rahul | trans_err: usb? |
| 03:22.33 | Spencer | I'll just make a minimal CD. |
| 03:22.34 | rdancer | !pts |
| 03:22.35 | Justin_ | heh, you can serveralias foo.* to something in apache, how useful :-) |
| 03:22.54 | trans_err | rahul: yeah... usb always screws with me |
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| 03:22.58 | zezom | I'm after a small BBC that can mount NTFS file systems... small because I'm on dileup atm. could any one recomend one? |
| 03:23.04 | rahul | trans_err: it'll show up as a scsi disk |
| 03:23.06 | somiaj | Spencer: being brand new, I suggest using woody so either install woody over the internet or get a woody install iso. |
| 03:23.16 | trans_err | rahul: what /dev? |
| 03:23.22 | Jacobo221 | what are the differences between the gpl and the qt licenses? |
| 03:23.23 | rahul | trans_err: sda* |
| 03:23.25 | asg | Deep6: not that I'm aware of but, as I say, I mostly have to deal with AD (not openldap -- which I would prefer) |
| 03:23.34 | trans_err | rahul: what FS? |
| 03:23.35 | rahul | trans_err: whatever dmesg says, specifically |
| 03:23.41 | rahul | trans_err: FAT |
| 03:23.42 | Spencer | somiaj: Where do I get a Woody install ISO? |
| 03:23.47 | rahul | trans_err: maybe vfat |
| 03:23.53 | Deep6 | asg/bob2 , you happen to know what /var/lib/ldap/replog is ? it seems to be a log of what would normally be a replication but I don't have replication on.... |
| 03:23.55 | Spencer | somiaj: I can't install it over the internet. The computer isn't on the internet yet. |
| 03:24.01 | rahul | Spencer: what is this, 40 questions? |
| 03:24.08 | rahul | Spencer: so PUT it on the internet |
| 03:24.22 | Spencer | It doesn't have an operating system. |
| 03:24.23 | bob2 | Jacobo221: lots of things. the qpl is not gpl compatible, for a start. why? |
| 03:24.32 | rahul | Spencer: no fucking duh |
| 03:24.41 | rahul | Spencer: do you think debian is not an operating system? |
| 03:24.42 | rdancer | agh.. sorrry |
| 03:24.55 | rahul | Spencer: do you think that debian is incapable of doing what the install doc says it can do? |
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| 03:25.09 | asg | Deep6: used by 'slurpd' for ldap replication iirc |
| 03:25.12 | thomas_adam | here we go again.... |
| 03:25.14 | Deep6 | yeah |
| 03:25.16 | rdancer | rahul: so what? |
| 03:25.19 | thomas_adam | how many times have we had this fight? |
| 03:25.39 | rahul | rdancer: so stop playing around and just do it properly. you're wasting your time trying to be tricky. |
| 03:25.55 | somiaj | Spencer: they are any of the offical iso's, the current version is 3.0r2, you can either use jigido or grab the full iso from a mirror you should only need the first cd. |
| 03:25.55 | trans_err | rahul: thanks- it worked... anyway to get it to automount? |
| 03:25.55 | Jacobo221 | bob2: it's just for curiosity, as I've been reading out there and the only difference I see is that qt can someday change deliberately the license to privatize future products, but nothing else. Also I have seen there are qt-free libraries. Are this qt libraries under GPL license? |
| 03:25.55 | Spencer | rahul: I am going to be getting the woody-i386-1.iso from http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/ |
| 03:25.59 | rahul | trans_err: eek. maybe. :\ |
| 03:26.07 | rahul | Spencer: whatever. ignore the install doc. |
| 03:26.11 | Spencer | I read it! |
| 03:26.16 | rahul | sure you did |
| 03:26.19 | Spencer | I did |
| 03:26.22 | rdancer | rahul: insult not welcome. would like to learn about ptys, thts all |
| 03:26.23 | rahul | you just don't know anything it says. |
| 03:26.23 | bob2 | Jacobo221: Qt3 is dual-licnesed under the GPL and QPL, you can use whichever you like. |
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| 03:26.38 | Jacobo221 | bob2: o, I see, thanx" |
| 03:26.41 | bob2 | Jacobo221: QPL doesn't allow you to distribute modified sources, for a start. |
| 03:26.56 | rdancer | rahul: but waisting my time I am--obvious :-( |
| 03:27.19 | Jacobo221 | bob2: really? well, that's a big difference there. thanx again |
| 03:27.21 | Spencer | rahul: What do you want me to see in the install doc that I'm obviously not. |
| 03:27.31 | mwilson | Jacobo221: Any copyright holder can change a license at any point, if he desires. |
| 03:28.06 | thomas_adam | quit |
| 03:28.06 | asg | s/quite/quit/ |
| 03:28.09 | Jacobo221 | mwilson: that's right, but it's what I've read... in many sites |
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| 03:28.24 | rahul | rdancer: so either learn japanese or install the manpages-dev from testing |
| 03:28.26 | asg | thomas_adam: I bloody well should, getting discombob2ulated again ;) |
| 03:28.38 | thomas_adam | asg: it happens to us all :) |
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| 03:28.55 | rahul | Spencer: how to download packages from the network and how to boot from a floppy or CD without any packages. |
| 03:28.57 | asg | thomas_adam: :) |
| 03:29.12 | rahul | Spencer: or whatever the fuck you want to do. waste bandwidth. |
| 03:29.13 | mwilson | Time to play again... |
| 03:29.21 | rdancer | rahul: didn't apt say it isn't there?? |
| 03:29.21 | asg | mwilson: who publishes the USP you just received? |
| 03:29.23 | thomas_adam | rahul: as I said about 30 mins ago, you are wasting your time with rdancer.... |
| 03:29.26 | rahul | rdancer: it's wrong |
| 03:29.36 | Spencer | rahul: I'm using the jigdo method. Do you have any problems with that? |
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| 03:29.53 | rahul | /var/cache/apt/debian.rutgers.edu_dists_testing_Contents-i386.gz:usr/share/man/man3/openpty.3.gz doc/manpages-dev |
| 03:30.04 | mwilson | asg: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/path/to/pagestream/SoftLogik/lib |
| 03:30.07 | mwilson | crap |
| 03:30.08 | rahul | Spencer: no, but you probably will. |
| 03:30.14 | mwilson | where'd THAT come from |
| 03:30.14 | rdancer | rahul: you're kidding ;) |
| 03:30.19 | rahul | Spencer: I don't haveproblems with it because I refuse to waste my time doing it |
| 03:30.34 | asg | mwilson: I'll put my card catalog skills to the test then :) |
| 03:30.37 | mwilson | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0672324903/qid=1073359788//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i0_xgl14/104-1490036-9312754?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 |
| 03:30.39 | raldi | When i boot, i get messages like, "odprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.24/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 03:30.43 | asg | mwilson: thanks |
| 03:30.44 | raldi | but the file exists |
| 03:30.50 | mwilson | That's what I *intended* to paste. |
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| 03:31.20 | rahul | mwilson: gotta love amazon's urls |
| 03:31.24 | ecstatix | hi. for the kernel problem, do i have to apply the patch, or is there a .deb for it available? |
| 03:31.35 | rahul | "the" kernel problem, of course. |
| 03:31.42 | rahul | since there is Only One. |
| 03:31.57 | raldi | ec: i haven't been able to find a .deb |
| 03:32.05 | ecstatix | raldi: okie. thanks |
| 03:32.05 | thomas_adam | rahul: "touch" the file and run depmod -a again |
| 03:32.08 | bob2 | perhaps because none have been issued? |
| 03:32.11 | mwilson | asg: warning... it's a POSIX book. |
| 03:32.18 | raldi | ec: i got the kernel from kernel.org, but it seems to have module dependency problems on some debian systems. |
| 03:32.22 | thomas_adam | raldi: "touch" the file and run depmod -a again |
| 03:32.26 | asg | mwilson: np, I was just amazed that Sams is now publishing decent stuff |
| 03:32.29 | thomas_adam | rahul: sorry about that... |
| 03:32.36 | mwilson | Or rather, it teaches POSIX-compliant shell scripting. |
| 03:32.38 | raldi | ok 1 sec |
| 03:32.41 | rahul | thomas_adam: oh, I enjoyed it |
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| 03:32.53 | ecstatix | asg C Unleashed by Sams is nice |
| 03:32.54 | thomas_adam | rahul: whatever turns you on :) |
| 03:33.07 | troubled | omg |
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| 03:33.10 | rahul | thomas_adam: that can be asking for trouble in some situations.... |
| 03:33.15 | rahul | holy shit |
| 03:33.21 | troubled | talk about enough security updates in the last 24hrs or what |
| 03:33.22 | thomas_adam | rahul: so can holy shit :) |
| 03:33.24 | troubled | rahul: OMG! |
| 03:33.24 | rahul | thomas_adam: SEE? you brought trouble. |
| 03:33.25 | troubled | :) |
| 03:33.34 | raldi | thomas: no, depmod still reports all sorts of unresolved symbol errors |
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| 03:33.47 | thomas_adam | raldi: apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 03:33.50 | troubled | raldi: unresolved symbols? |
| 03:33.52 | thomas_adam | raldi: if on woody use the backport |
| 03:34.08 | raldi | troubled: yeah, like depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.24/kernel/drivers/block/loop.o |
| 03:34.09 | thomas_adam | raldi: if they're unresolved, then you can probably ignore them |
| 03:34.09 | troubled | raldi: you just compile a kernel I take it> |
| 03:34.20 | thomas_adam | hmm |
| 03:34.22 | troubled | raldi: Makefile bug :) |
| 03:34.22 | mwilson | asg: This is the other one I like: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/013066538X/qid=1073360034/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-1490036-9312754?v=glance&s=books |
| 03:34.25 | rahul | wow, I have all 3 packages with DSAs on here. |
| 03:34.26 | bob2 | thomas_adam: wf? |
| 03:34.29 | raldi | thomas: no, cause things don't work. even printk is an unresolved symbol. |
| 03:34.32 | rahul | and I like them all :\ |
| 03:34.32 | bob2 | thomas_adam: no you can't. |
| 03:34.36 | thomas_adam | bob2: I do :) |
| 03:34.37 | bob2 | thomas_adam: the module will be unusable. |
| 03:34.45 | rahul | (well, ethereal could do with some CLIM ;) |
| 03:34.57 | jason | How can I check whether my system would be able to use a DVD drive? I see it in dmesg, but I'm not sure what to look for under /proc to see whether the kernel has support. mplayer and xine are giving me problems...so I can't use them to help me answer this question. |
| 03:34.58 | troubled | raldi: try backup your .config in /usr/src/linux somewhere, do a make mrproper, then move it back and do a make oldconfig and away you go |
| 03:35.08 | asg | mwilson: yeah, I've found the PH books to be good. I think they have that one at Borders so I might pick it up. |
| 03:35.11 | rahul | raldi: are you _booted_ into the new kernel? |
| 03:35.13 | troubled | bob2: how goes the clan of the 2 people? |
| 03:35.16 | thomas_adam | bob2: depends whether the module needs to be used or not. |
| 03:35.31 | troubled | raldi: emaildesktop.com, look at the post under linux problems |
| 03:35.32 | raldi | rahul: i am now |
| 03:35.35 | rahul | jason: UDF filesystem, /proc/ide/* |
| 03:35.50 | troubled | raldi: and ya I know the board sucks, but hey, give it time hehe |
| 03:36.01 | mwilson | Only thing is, I've managed to lose the _By Example_ book somewhere again. :( |
| 03:36.24 | ecstatix | Is there some generic app that i can use as a "panel" on any window manager? And any way to start up the panel when i start any window manager with startx? |
| 03:36.27 | troubled | raldi: anyways, if you already know how just do it, but the article at leasts steps your through. FOund the info on the net, worked great for me in the past |
| 03:36.33 | simonrvn | troubled: hello trouble daemon :) |
| 03:36.34 | asg | mwilson: know what you mean, I can't find my Practial Unix and Internet Security for the life of me |
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| 03:36.39 | troubled | simonrvn: ! |
| 03:36.44 | thomas_adam | ecstatix: look on freshmeat |
| 03:36.49 | asg | simonrvn: doh! |
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| 03:36.58 | troubled | simonrvn: can you believe all the security stuff in the last few days! |
| 03:37.02 | thomas_adam | ecstatix: or apt-cache search panel x |
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| 03:37.10 | rahul | troubled: these are troubled times. |
| 03:37.14 | asg | simonrvn: if only he was a well constructed helpdesk system, I could take the next 3 months off :) |
| 03:37.16 | troubled | simonrvn: I happen to just be using the screen, ethereal and kernel and bind :( |
| 03:37.18 | simonrvn | troubled: ugh.. |
| 03:37.22 | rahul | can I choose a color depth explicitly with fbi? my fbcon is 8 bit, but I want fbi to use 24 bit? is that even possible with fb? |
| 03:37.23 | troubled | rahul: rofl, was that a pun? :) |
| 03:37.24 | simonrvn | asg: hehe |
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| 03:37.28 | rahul | troubled: dumbass |
| 03:37.35 | rahul | ~penixstrike troubled |
| 03:37.39 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking troubled to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 03:37.45 | troubled | simonrvn: personally, I would think they should take priority in the topic dont you? :) |
| 03:37.45 | rdancer | rahul: "I apologize" x many times, it _is_ there. Thank you. |
| 03:37.56 | ecstatix | thomas_adam: apt-cache search panel x | wc -l says 74. which one? |
| 03:38.02 | thomas_adam | rdancer: you also owe me an apology |
| 03:38.11 | troubled | rahul: hey! :) |
| 03:38.18 | thomas_adam | ecstatix: pipe it via sort and less and look at the descriptions |
| 03:38.27 | thomas_adam | ecstatix: I am not doing it for you |
| 03:38.27 | troubled | rahul: wtf is penix anyways? havent seen him in days |
| 03:38.30 | mwilson | Ah, here it is. It was in my laptop pack. |
| 03:38.31 | troubled | s/days/months/ |
| 03:38.36 | nictuku | what is the best way to make sure a request to bugs.debian.org (ITP) went well? will it reply? or must i check bugs.debian.org/wnpp ? |
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| 03:38.55 | PoL | is it possible to run multi-head in X when 1 of the video cards is a GeForceFX? |
| 03:38.56 | rahul | oh bleh. I already had all the updates installed |
| 03:38.57 | jason | rahul: Where does one see evidence of the UDF filesystem? |
| 03:39.09 | mwilson | PoL: Why wouldn't it be? |
| 03:39.12 | rahul | jason: "filesystems" of course :) |
| 03:39.14 | ecstatix | thomas_adam: the info about fbpanel looks nice. will start it what i want is a way that the panel starts, whichever WM i use, when i do startx |
| 03:39.15 | rdancer | nictuku: it will reply to the e-addres it was posted from |
| 03:39.16 | thomas_adam | ecstatix: had you been using a proper WM like FVWM, then we could have used FvwmButtons to do it |
| 03:39.29 | PoL | mwilson: the closed drivers and all that |
| 03:39.32 | rahul | troubled: probably busy playing with midgets |
| 03:39.33 | asg | mwilson: so, did you give up on openbox too and go to fvwm? |
| 03:39.36 | Deep6 | anyone know what sched_yield() is from a strace output |
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| 03:39.38 | rdancer | nictuku: it'll reply even to every successive submission |
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| 03:39.45 | thomas_adam | asg: fvwm rocks |
| 03:39.47 | rahul | PoL: the closed drivers are for xfree86 |
| 03:39.50 | ecstatix | thomas_adam: i use xfce4 most of the time, but there are times when i like to start another WM, for fun |
| 03:39.51 | asg | thomas_adam: I like it |
| 03:40.01 | mwilson | ecstatix: Do you use an EWMH-compliant window manager? |
| 03:40.02 | nictuku | rdancer: thank you. |
| 03:40.03 | jason | rahul: rahul -vvv -t more-info-requested |
| 03:40.10 | ecstatix | mwilson: yeah |
| 03:40.12 | rahul | jason: .... |
| 03:40.13 | troubled | rahul: whew, bind9 not affected. I was betting the update might have borked with the chroot setup hehe. Well, assuming it did try replace the init.d file :) |
| 03:40.16 | mwilson | ecstatix: That being? |
| 03:40.18 | rahul | jason: /proc/filesystems |
| 03:40.22 | troubled | rahul: your sure like penix huh? :) |
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| 03:40.26 | rahul | troubled: dumbass |
| 03:40.28 | troubled | ~seen penix |
| 03:40.36 | | penix <~wenas@3ffe:b80:1c6e:0:0:0:0:2> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 22h 21m 51s ago, saying: 'no it's not'. |
| 03:40.36 | ecstatix | mwilson: xfce, icewm |
| 03:40.36 | troubled | rahul: smartass |
| 03:40.36 | rahul | troubled: dumbass |
| 03:40.36 | thomas_adam | umm |
| 03:40.38 | rahul | troubled: thanks |
| 03:40.39 | thomas_adam | icewm is not EWMH |
| 03:40.42 | thomas_adam | or is it? |
| 03:40.45 | troubled | rahul: dont make us get kicked for flooding lol |
| 03:40.52 | rahul | troubled: moron |
| 03:40.53 | mwilson | ecstatix: Both of those have panels already, what do you need another one for? |
| 03:40.56 | troubled | rahul: zoof |
| 03:41.00 | rahul | NO! |
| 03:41.09 | rahul | I AM NO ZOOF! |
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| 03:41.20 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Let's see what your FVWM looks like. :) |
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| 03:41.31 | ecstatix | mwilson: well, sometimes i start up blackbox, or kahakai |
| 03:41.31 | deadcat | what you guys think of this card? good deal? http://www.buy.com//retail/product.asp?sku=10357238&dcaid=1688 |
| 03:41.43 | hksdu | if I want to configure my eth0 at startup, do I edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 03:41.44 | jason | rahul: There's no reference to "udf" in /proc/filesystems...so does that mean this system's kernel doesn't support this DVD hardware? or that it simply lacks UDF... |
| 03:41.48 | troubled | bah, how many keys does debian security list have?! |
| 03:41.49 | thomas_adam | mwilson: OK, I have a series appearing in the LG about fvwm...hold your horses :) |
| 03:41.52 | rahul | hksdu: yes |
| 03:42.01 | rahul | jason: it lacks udf |
| 03:42.08 | asg | thomas_adam: I'll give you a screenshot of my fullscreen Eterm :) |
| 03:42.10 | mwilson | ecstatix: kahakai is EWMH-compliant, blackbox isn't in release but it's CVS is. |
| 03:42.15 | ljlane | hksdu, yes, "auto eth0" |
| 03:42.17 | hksdu | rahul: however, when my system starts up, it doesn't load it |
| 03:42.18 | thomas_adam | asg: heh |
| 03:42.25 | rahul | hksdu: did you tell it to load it |
| 03:42.32 | Jacobo221 | what tool can I use in wmaker such as Electric Eyes (that is, a light tool for viewing images, not editing, just viewing) |
| 03:42.36 | mwilson | thomas_adam: That would require me to think LG was worth reading. |
| 03:42.39 | ecstatix | mwilson: well, how do i start a panel in it? like if i startx, the panel should start. |
| 03:42.42 | ecstatix | Jacobo221: feh |
| 03:42.45 | hksdu | ljlane: I did, I put auto lo eth0, then iface eth0 192.168.1.109 |
| 03:42.45 | rahul | Jacobo221: electric eyes |
| 03:42.50 | deadcat | Jacobo221: i use gqview its pretty nice.. |
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| 03:42.53 | thomas_adam | mwilson: or rather, whether my ramblings on LG are :) |
| 03:42.56 | mwilson | ecstatix: So launch the panel app. It's not like it's hard. |
| 03:43.09 | ljlane | hksdu, and more, I hope. |
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| 03:43.10 | ecstatix | mwilson: on boot? do i add it to .xsession? |
| 03:43.11 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Is LG still associated at all with LJ? |
| 03:43.15 | troubled | anyone here verify the debian security annoucements with gpg? curious why the key ID i downloaded from a message yesterday or day before doesnt match the one from the 3 today I just got |
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| 03:43.30 | thomas_adam | mwilson: no, it forked(). Now at: http://linuxgazette.net |
| 03:43.40 | jason | rahul: The kernel was compiled with CONFIG_UDF_FS=m and CONFIG_UDF_RW=y Do we need to do a modprobe? |
| 03:43.54 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Hm, perhaps LG will be again worth reading. Certainly LJ isn't. |
| 03:43.54 | hksdu | yes but I just didn't type it out |
| 03:43.56 | troubled | Im showing DSA key ID 43E25D1E |
| 03:44.15 | thomas_adam | mwilson: LJ is too expensive for me to buy over here in England. |
| 03:44.23 | hksdu | like broadcast, netmask and gateway, I have a desktop having debian using same configuration, but it just doesn't load it on my laptop |
| 03:44.24 | troubled | maybe im just a dumbass, but it just seems a little odd to be getting different keys from the same list |
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| 03:44.28 | thomas_adam | mwilson: what is wrong with it though? |
| 03:44.35 | ecstatix | LJ just has too many ads |
| 03:44.39 | thomas_adam | ah |
| 03:44.53 | mwilson | And too little useful content. |
| 03:45.04 | mwilson | Or content at all. |
| 03:45.11 | deadcat | hksdu: this is my setttings for my laptop: http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.cgi?text/configfiles.d/pandora/etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:45.12 | asg | thomas_adam: the onerous let's build an mua in Java series a while back |
| 03:45.17 | mwilson | If I want COLA-esque crud, I'll read COLA. |
| 03:45.23 | microftxxx | hmm... what apt package should I get to get the fixed kernel? |
| 03:45.27 | hksdu | I am using debian 3.0r2 on my laptop, where it is different from my desktop's 3.0r1 is that when system starts up, it asks me to setup new network environment, for anything, check /etc/netenv |
| 03:45.30 | Jacobo221 | rahul: Electric Eyes needs too much GNOME libraries... not useful for me |
| 03:45.31 | ecstatix | mwilson: you post to COLA? |
| 03:45.33 | thomas_adam | asg: umm, care to re-phrase that? :) |
| 03:45.41 | mwilson | ecstatix: I read it when I need a laugh. |
| 03:45.43 | ecstatix | Jacobo221: apt-get install feh. it rocks. |
| 03:45.46 | ecstatix | mwilson: hehe |
| 03:45.56 | asg | thomas_adam: perhaps it was LM |
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| 03:46.00 | mwilson | ecstatix: If you ever want assurances that Linux is going absolutely nowhere, read COLA. |
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| 03:46.07 | deadcat | Jacobo221: feh |
| 03:46.16 | thomas_adam | mwilson: agreed |
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| 03:46.33 | nevyn | how do I stop postfix rejecting unknownuser@virtualdomain ? |
| 03:46.38 | ecstatix | mwilson: i do go in and check google groups sometimes for answers to problems. some nice stuff in there. my isp does'nt have a nntp server, so :( |
| 03:46.38 | mwilson | Jacobo221: How about xv? |
| 03:46.40 | hksdu | deadcat: wow!! that's useful |
| 03:46.40 | troubled | odd, how come bind and mpg123 security updates arent listed on www.d.o/security? |
| 03:46.44 | hksdu | deadcat: thanks |
| 03:46.51 | Jacobo221 | deadcat: yap, that seems a good options |
| 03:46.58 | dondelelcaro | troubled: yes, it checks out, and it is Matt Zimmerman's real key... |
| 03:46.59 | hksdu | deadcat: but I am having the same settings. |
| 03:47.00 | Jacobo221 | ecstatix: thanx for the advice |
| 03:47.02 | deadcat | hksdu: np |
| 03:47.02 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Well, I'm looking at the December issue, where's your article? |
| 03:47.18 | nictuku | ecstatix: what other groups besides COLA would to recommend one to read? |
| 03:47.21 | dhosking | greetings all, can anyone help with imapd and smail? |
| 03:47.26 | hksdu | deadcat: it still doesn't work |
| 03:47.29 | kmilo | in debian there is a g++ Cross-Compiler ? |
| 03:47.29 | thomas_adam | mwilson: not finished them yet -- I have been very ill lately. |
| 03:47.29 | jason | rahul: Even after loading the udf kernel module, I get this while trying to use mplayer: libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd |
| 03:47.29 | jason | No such file or directory |
| 03:47.29 | jason | Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd |
| 03:47.30 | deadcat | Jacobo221: you running a supoer slow machine? (= |
| 03:47.31 | Jacobo221 | mwilson: for some wierd reason xv seems to be out of the debian distribution... |
| 03:47.42 | nictuku | ~tell dhosking about ask |
| 03:47.45 | troubled | dondelelcaro: ok, just wondering which key I grabbed for the screen update then on the 5th. Any ideas why it might be different? I should already have this one, but to my surprise its not the same. Had me worried |
| 03:47.50 | nitrium | how can i find toy story names list? |
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| 03:48.03 | mwilson | I wouldn't *recommend* reading COLA to anyone, unless they want to get a birds-eye view of how many utter dumbshits there are in the Linux community. |
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| 03:48.09 | asg | nitrium: /msg dpkg codenames |
| 03:48.10 | jaime | hello |
| 03:48.12 | ecstatix | nictuku: heck, i am like one month old to linux, dont ask me for recommendations :) I do however track a few guitar NGs, a douglas adams group, some physics groups, a little bit |
| 03:48.13 | mwilson | Jacobo221: xv is non-free. |
| 03:48.16 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: COLA? |
| 03:48.18 | thomas_adam | mwilson: it's a series, and as such, I like to be about 4 months ahead of myself before I release it |
| 03:48.20 | Jacobo221 | deadcat: not such slow, but I don't like big windows flying around, If I only want to view an image, I only want a window with the image ;-) |
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| 03:48.25 | ecstatix | dondelelcaro: comp os linux announce |
| 03:48.25 | mwilson | Jacobo221: You can't distribute modified binaries. |
| 03:48.31 | deadcat | hksdu: do you have eth0 from ifconfig? |
| 03:48.37 | jaime | i need some information , how i can obtain the gateway in a dhcp network? |
| 03:48.47 | ecstatix | dondelelcaro: or the last bit might be admin |
| 03:48.49 | Jacobo221 | mwilson: mmm, I see |
| 03:48.50 | mwilson | thomas_adam: So we're back to let's see your FVWM again. |
| 03:48.50 | asg | dondelelcaro: and awfully good with a little Bacardi |
| 03:48.53 | dondelelcaro | jaime: the dhcp server should hand it out... |
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| 03:48.58 | The_Vulture | jaime: once you have obtained a lease from the dhcp server, just run ifconfig, should be there.. |
| 03:49.01 | dondelelcaro | asg: but don't drink until you're 21! ;-) |
| 03:49.02 | deadcat | Jacobo221: damn.. hardcore eh? i preffer eye-candies and shits. so gqview is my choice. hehehe. |
| 03:49.08 | thomas_adam | mwilson: to which I shall answer again: "wait" |
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| 03:49.14 | nictuku | ecstatix: i see. thanks for replying, tho |
| 03:49.17 | asg | dondelelcaro: I'm 2^5 as of the 1st, I'm qualified |
| 03:49.27 | Jacobo221 | mwilson: anyway, I went to the xv site, and the thing doesn't compile :-) |
| 03:49.37 | thomas_adam | mwilson: all of the processing is done with Ruby... |
| 03:49.42 | dondelelcaro | asg: heh. |
| 03:50.09 | dondelelcaro | asg: was just joking about the new "drinking responsibly" B::C commercial that's out now... |
| 03:50.15 | ClintZ28 | Anyone konw anything about DVD players? I'm getting the error can't open VMG info..don't have a clue what to do... |
| 03:50.24 | asg | dondelelcaro: oh, haha. I mix my own :) |
| 03:50.41 | mwilson | ugh |
| 03:50.43 | asg | dondelelcaro: haven't seen the commercials for that one |
| 03:50.48 | mwilson | No, it's still not worth bothering with. |
| 03:50.54 | hksdu | I checked tldp.org, it said the dhcp client is called dhcpcd, but when I apt-cache, there is no such thing but dhcp-client |
| 03:51.06 | dondelelcaro | asg: heh. their tag line is "They get the job done." not quite sure what job they're doing, but apparently, they do it. ;-) |
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| 03:51.08 | thomas_adam | mwilson: at least you gave it a go -- thanks :) |
| 03:51.13 | deadcat | hksdu: dhclient3 |
| 03:51.13 | hksdu | when I installed it, it said it's already newest version, so how do I use dhcp client on my eth0? |
| 03:51.30 | mwilson | thomas_adam: What is this "Windows Defectors" crap? |
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| 03:51.33 | nictuku | will submit@b.d.o accept emails from my webmail, like hotmail? or it doesnt like garbage at the end of the message, etc? |
| 03:51.35 | hksdu | deadcat: does your interfaces file contain the dhcp client information? |
| 03:51.36 | sgeigerbot | Hey, would you guys help jason... (I'm working on the problem with him...) |
| 03:51.36 | thomas_adam | mwilson: read it |
| 03:51.36 | The_Vulture | hksdu: man 5 interfaces |
| 03:51.36 | dondelelcaro | hksdu: you want dhcp3-client |
| 03:51.40 | asg | dondelelcaro: apparently :) |
| 03:51.47 | sgeigerbot | ...and we're stuck. |
| 03:51.50 | disposable | this is a mkisofs question: can i create a cd with -R (rock ridge) and -J (joliet) extensions without having to use -hfs option (hybrid)? cos i've created a cd like that and it doesn't work now. wanna know if it's my fault or because the cd is scratched. it is mountable, files are visible |
| 03:51.50 | thomas_adam | mwilson: that's like me telling you to RTFM :) |
| 03:51.51 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I did. |
| 03:51.56 | thomas_adam | mwilson: read it again |
| 03:52.07 | mwilson | thomas_adam: wtf is it supposed to be? |
| 03:52.11 | deadcat | hksdu: no i dont use dhcp. you can just do 2 lines. 1: auto eth0 2: iface eth0 inet dhcp ; thats it |
| 03:52.20 | debian | disposable: what doesn't work? |
| 03:52.22 | trans_err | what deb provides convert ? |
| 03:52.26 | thomas_adam | mwilson: and also look at the last 3 previous issues in the mailbag for the context in which that article is based. |
| 03:52.31 | asg | trans_err: /msg dpkg find convert |
| 03:52.45 | trans_err | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.48 | hksdu | deadcat: thank you so much |
| 03:52.50 | trans_err | oops |
| 03:52.57 | The_Vulture | disposable: I think I have some with both rr and joliet, don't recall having any problems |
| 03:52.58 | disposable | debian: it contains 2 divx films. and i can't play them. mplayer, xine, whatever.. just gets stuck |
| 03:53.02 | rahul | jason: so tell it to use the REAL dvd device name |
| 03:53.18 | debian | disposable: can you copy them? |
| 03:53.21 | asg | trans_err: though I'm pretty sure it is Imagemagick |
| 03:53.29 | disposable | debian: what does -hfs mean anyway? and no i can't copy them |
| 03:53.30 | dhosking | anyone have a hint on why smail and uw-imapd on new install will not accept any conections (just did apt-get install uw-imapd configed smail and opened ports with iptables) |
| 03:53.31 | trans_err | asg: yeah it is |
| 03:53.37 | dondelelcaro | !imagemagick |
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| 03:53.47 | c | kernel rootism |
| 03:53.48 | c | :/ |
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| 03:53.50 | c | damn |
| 03:53.51 | gctaylor | Hi folks... Will woody be reasonably fast on an Athlon 1.2 Ghz? 256MB ram. |
| 03:53.57 | disposable | the_vulture: what's the -hfs for? |
| 03:54.00 | thomas_adam | gctaylor: no |
| 03:54.07 | c | there have been somany ker vulns in the last 1/2 year |
| 03:54.12 | c | its like the kernel is ssh now |
| 03:54.15 | c | or sendmail |
| 03:54.26 | ecstatix | gctaylor: yeah,. you will feel happier if you added some moer RAM though |
| 03:54.31 | bob2 | beta3: oi. |
| 03:54.32 | gctaylor | thomas_admin:How fast does it need to be? |
| 03:54.33 | jason | rahul: -cdrom-device <path to device> ??? |
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| 03:54.57 | The_Vulture | disposable: read the mkisofs man page, says: Create an ISO9660/HFS hybrid CD. |
| 03:54.58 | The_Vulture | among other things |
| 03:55.10 | mwilson | thomas_adam: When was the "original letter" all this nonsense refers to published? All the subsequent stuff isn't worth reading. |
| 03:55.22 | thomas_adam | mwilson: let me look... |
| 03:55.22 | c | anyone upgrade to .24 yet |
| 03:55.38 | dondelelcaro | c: yes, quite a few people have. |
| 03:55.49 | bob2 | anyone with good sense. |
| 03:55.52 | disposable | The_Vulture: what do you think i am looking at right now? |
| 03:56.01 | dondelelcaro | bob2: or with a box with more than 1 user... |
| 03:56.02 | ecstatix | mwilson: thanks, got that fbpanel to start up with other WMs, like blackbox and kahakai. just adding a line to .xsession did it |
| 03:56.06 | me1234 | my problem: I reqalized tonight that I cannot login or su. fortnately i am logged in right now, but I am afraqid to reboot. it seems that pam is borken for me, since 'strace su' freezes on this line: send(3, "<37>Jan 5 22:55:37 su(pam_unix)"..., 143, 0 |
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| 03:56.14 | disposable | The_Vulture: now, does it say what hfs is good for? |
| 03:56.29 | hksdu | gctaylor: well my Tbird 700 with 256MB runs fine...so yours is way too good |
| 03:56.41 | thomas_adam | mwilson: linuxgazette.net/issue93/lg_mail.html#wanted.1 |
| 03:56.44 | thomas_adam | mwilson: try that |
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| 03:57.00 | dondelelcaro | disposable: the answer to your original question is yes. |
| 03:57.00 | The_Vulture | disposable: it doesn't, so far as I know, I have no idea what hfs is, but I don't see how it relates to Joliet or RockRidge |
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| 03:57.19 | mwilson | Ok... so far all it's been is typical "oh gee, oh wow, it's free software, your should automatically want it" religious crud. |
| 03:57.23 | dondelelcaro | disposable: just mkisofs -J -r foo > foo.iso |
| 03:57.41 | Stripes | what packages should I remove and reinstall if I want to reinstall all the graphical parts of a system? |
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| 03:57.59 | thomas_adam | mwilson: remember that it is a 'readers' magazine, and we generally publish anyting about linux that we receive. |
| 03:58.02 | deadcat | is is possible to burn some data in ext3 format? like windows cant read the stuff? (= |
| 03:58.04 | dondelelcaro | Stripes: why would you want to do that? |
| 03:58.10 | me1234 | stripes: all the pagackes which begin with the letter x, and are in section x11 |
| 03:58.15 | c | how does patch work? |
| 03:58.20 | gctaylor | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.21 | dhosking | ok quick question what is quickest way to get imap on a mail server? |
| 03:58.23 | disposable | dondelwhatever: so let me get this straight. if i have -J -R there isn't necesssarily a need for -hfs. hm? |
| 03:58.23 | thomas_adam | c: applied diff to a file |
| 03:58.29 | c | patch -1 blah.patch? |
| 03:58.39 | deadcat | yes |
| 03:58.40 | trans_err | anyone know a trick to have convert use the input file name as the output filename so i can use it to batch process a bunch of .jpgs? |
| 03:58.42 | thomas_adam | c: patch -p1 < patchfile |
| 03:58.44 | Stripes | I broke something and I don't know what it was.. so I figured I'd just reinstall everything |
| 03:58.47 | dondelelcaro | disposable: you want -r, and no. There's no need for HFS unless you're actually creating an HFS filesystem. |
| 03:59.01 | c | thanks |
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| 03:59.05 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I don't know how you got from that letter to what you're publishing. |
| 03:59.09 | bancus | gctaylor, the distro has very little to do with how much resources you need, beyond compiling things for higher CPUs |
| 03:59.11 | bob2 | gctaylor: Debian has no relation to how much resources the software you installs uses. |
| 03:59.17 | thomas_adam | mwilson: perhaps you should read a few issues? |
| 03:59.20 | bob2 | gctaylor: gnome is heavy regardless of distro |
| 03:59.24 | bancus | gctaylor, your software choices make a signifigantly larger dent |
| 03:59.25 | me1234 | stripes: in that case you want to "purge" so that the conf files you mucked up are deleted as well |
| 03:59.27 | disposable | dondelelcaro: thanx |
| 03:59.28 | thomas_adam | mwilson: that is why it is written |
| 03:59.29 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I read them. |
| 03:59.38 | thomas_adam | mwilson: hmm.# |
| 03:59.40 | me1234 | can anyone help with my PAM issues? |
| 03:59.44 | jason | sgeigerbot: You are the greatest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:59.45 | Stripes | how would I go about doing that? |
| 04:00.06 | rahul | stupid hick bots |
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| 04:00.27 | mwilson | Defectors. Please. Geeks defect. Users change because you lead them by the nose with a neat application they want to use. |
| 04:00.28 | me1234 | stripes; use dselect, purge the xserver-common package and all the pacakges it depends on |
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| 04:00.41 | mwilson | Users don't give a rats ass about the OS that makes it go. |
| 04:00.41 | gctaylor | I am using icewm-lite. My Mandrake 7.1 runs great on Cyrix 586 166. That much difference between mandrake 7.1 and woody? |
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| 04:01.16 | thomas_adam | mwilson: so write it as an e-mail and send it to LG: tag@linuxgazette.net |
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| 04:01.30 | Jeedo | how do i awk something thats 2 letters |
| 04:01.32 | thomas_adam | mwilson: and wear a flameproof suit :) |
| 04:01.32 | mwilson | Further, "defector" carries all sorts of negative connotations. |
| 04:01.38 | Jeedo | like all items in a list that are two letters |
| 04:01.45 | leOn | thanks for the tips guys |
| 04:01.49 | leOn | g'nite |
| 04:01.55 | thomas_adam | Jeedo: awk '{print $1}' |
| 04:02.15 | Jeedo | thomas_adam: thats the first word correct? |
| 04:02.22 | Jeedo | i need ^2 letters |
| 04:02.26 | DB7654321 | Quick question: Anyone have a solution for the failure to compile of lm-sensors-source on sid? ...There's a long list of errors about missing files preceding the fatal error. I suspect there's a broken path listed in the Makefile, but, I can't figure it out. |
| 04:02.33 | me1234 | jeedo, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 04:02.33 | thomas_adam | Jeedo: depends what the fild-separator is |
| 04:02.34 | bob2 | !+animals |
| 04:02.35 | mwilson | The first field. Whether it's the first word depends on what FS is set to. |
| 04:02.35 | dpkg | well, animals is odys favorite sex object |
| 04:02.43 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Yes, I know. |
| 04:02.43 | deadcat | Jeedo: awk '/^.{2}$/ {print $0}' maybe |
| 04:02.44 | Jeedo | thomas_adam: \n |
| 04:02.48 | bob2 | !+maint animals |
| 04:02.50 | dpkg | animals: Jim Lynch <jwl@debian.org> |
| 04:03.16 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Geeks also don't realize that it's applications that drive the world. |
| 04:03.18 | thomas_adam | mwilson: seriosuly, write in, if you think you have valid points |
| 04:03.25 | DB7654321 | There's an open bug on it matter...50 days old. Not a single reply. |
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| 04:03.39 | Jeedo | deadcat; doesnt work |
| 04:03.42 | thomas_adam | mwilson: 'geeks' suggests a stereotype. First mistake... |
| 04:03.47 | me1234 | jeed, what are you trying to do? |
| 04:03.53 | rahul | mwilson: who needs applications when you can have an OS that does nothing! |
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| 04:04.02 | me1234 | can anyone here help with my PAM problems? I can't su... |
| 04:04.26 | deadcat | Jeedo: example you want to display? |
| 04:04.29 | DB7654321 | lm-sensors users...anyone, anyone? Bueller? |
| 04:04.35 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Here's something I wrote on it once. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200309/msg00208.html |
| 04:04.47 | Jeedo | echo .?*|tr ' ' '\n'|head -n2 |
| 04:04.47 | Jeedo | .. |
| 04:04.47 | Jeedo | .3ddesktop |
| 04:04.50 | gctaylor | So is a Pentium 120/128 MB ram waaaay too slow? |
| 04:04.54 | mwilson | DB7654321: What about it? |
| 04:04.55 | dondelelcaro | gctaylor: for what? |
| 04:05.02 | mwilson | gctaylor: Depends on what you want it to do. |
| 04:05.03 | Jeedo | i want everything that is two letters after the . printed |
| 04:05.10 | DB7654321 | mwilson: Failure to compile lm-sensors-source in sid |
| 04:05.19 | mwilson | DB7654321: Oh, that's old news. |
| 04:05.25 | DB7654321 | mwilson: ...And? |
| 04:05.27 | deadcat | Jeedo: you DONT want the ..? |
| 04:05.32 | gctaylor | I want a minimal x desktop. Probably sshd, smbd, |
| 04:05.35 | mwilson | DB7654321: I don't use lm-sensors-source. There's no point. |
| 04:05.55 | Jeedo | deadcat: no, because that is 2 letters |
| 04:05.58 | DB7654321 | mwilson: What else would you suggest? |
| 04:06.01 | Jeedo | i want everything that is 3 letters |
| 04:06.02 | deadcat | Jeedo: oh. |
| 04:06.05 | DB7654321 | mwilson: lm-sensors with no kernel interface? |
| 04:06.08 | Jeedo | so ^3 letters$\n |
| 04:06.10 | me1234 | so here's my problem.. whan I try to su, it freezes on send(3, "<37>Jan 5 22:55:37 su(pam_unix)" and I don't know why. can anyone help? |
| 04:06.19 | mwilson | DB7654321: The kernel interface is i2c, not lm-sensors. |
| 04:06.19 | dondelelcaro | Jeedo: you want everything that is 3 letters? ls ??? |
| 04:06.26 | deadcat | Jeedo: you do know that echo .*? gives 1 line? |
| 04:06.35 | gctaylor | I'd like to serve x games to 1 x-client user coming in via Windows and X-server. |
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| 04:06.55 | deadcat | Jeedo: nevermind. the tr. (= |
| 04:06.56 | DB7654321 | mwilson: OK. So, there's no reason whatsoever to use lm-sensors-source to monitor the temp on my processor? |
| 04:06.57 | me1234 | gctaylor what's ahrd about that? |
| 04:07.17 | Jeedo | dondelelcaro: k, hadnt thought of that |
| 04:07.26 | gctaylor | me1234: It's not hard. But right now it is so slow as not to be usable. |
| 04:07.32 | mwilson | DB7654321: Funny, how do you get to that from anything I've said to you? |
| 04:07.37 | dondelelcaro | Jeedo: man bash; and read about globbing. |
| 04:07.56 | me1234 | gctaylor: that soundsbeleivable, especially if there are several hops between the computers |
| 04:08.00 | mwilson | DB7654321: Use lm-sensors all you like. Just don't bother with the Debian package. |
| 04:08.13 | DB7654321 | Remind me...what channel am I in? |
| 04:08.25 | DB7654321 | What's the point of Debian if I'm not able to use its packages? |
| 04:08.25 | dondelelcaro | Jeedo: its in the PATHNAME EXPANSION section. |
| 04:08.42 | mwilson | Considering that the prevailing wisdom seems to be for Sarge to simply document that it doesn't work, rather than actually fixing it, that'd be your best course. |
| 04:08.43 | thomas_adam | mwilson: "p.s. you're paying way too much for that cheap shit you're smoking" :) ROFL |
| 04:08.56 | gctaylor | me1234: One router. 100mb ethernet. |
| 04:08.59 | DB7654321 | mmk |
| 04:09.01 | deadcat | Jeedo: echo .* | tr ' ' '\n' | awk '$1 !~ /^..$/ {print $0}' ? |
| 04:09.03 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Yeah, typical slashcrap result to a serious posting. |
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| 04:09.06 | DB7654321 | I'll google it some more |
| 04:09.11 | gctaylor | me1234: One hub I mean. |
| 04:09.27 | Jacobo221 | deadcat: feh is just fine, thanx |
| 04:09.36 | DB7654321 | One more rant: How long can it possibly take to fix packages.d.o? |
| 04:09.37 | mwilson | DB7654321: lm-sensors in Sid is *broken*. It's not going to be fixed for Sarge. 'Nuff said. |
| 04:09.37 | me1234 | gctaylor: you got me. the game you;re dispalying, it doesn't like tpo use any x extensions or anything like that? |
| 04:09.46 | bob2 | apt, bob2 is also http://www.lgu.org/photohim02/pages/bob8.htm |
| 04:09.53 | | that's too long, bob2 |
| 04:09.53 | thomas_adam | mwilson: interesting post of yours though |
| 04:09.54 | DB7654321 | mwilson: OK. Fair enough. |
| 04:10.12 | bob2 | oh well |
| 04:10.16 | bob2 | nitrium: no |
| 04:10.25 | mwilson | thomas_adam: And that's why I find your "Defectors" column so irrelevant. |
| 04:10.38 | gctaylor | me1234: I haven't got to the games. Yet. I've just brought up x and Mozilla. |
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| 04:11.13 | gctaylor | me1234: I upgraded some of the packages via select and even that in console is slow. |
| 04:11.16 | PoL | do you suppose this: http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Xinerama-HOWTO.html would be the best document to learn about multi-head or are there more documents out there? |
| 04:11.17 | thomas_adam | mwilson: so rather than bitch about it here -- e-mail in :) |
| 04:11.29 | me1234 | so mozilla is too slow between a linux server and a wndows display, with only a hub in bewtween? what software are you using on the windows machine to display the x connection? not that I can help with wundows... |
| 04:11.37 | DB7654321 | Also... Why exactly is postfix marked for removal? |
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| 04:11.50 | DB7654321 | ..Erm, not on my system -- on packages.qa.d.o |
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| 04:11.52 | mwilson | thomas_adam: There's no point... there are an endless number of slashcrappers and only one of me. |
| 04:11.56 | bob2 | DB7654321: where? |
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| 04:12.04 | gctaylor | me1234: Mozilla is slow on the actual machine. The remote stuff between windows is future. |
| 04:12.06 | me1234 | so can anyone help me with the fact that my su and loginc programs freeze? |
| 04:12.10 | DB7654321 | bob2: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/postfix.html |
| 04:12.14 | thomas_adam | mwilson: that's a defeatest attitude, a cop-out, if you will. |
| 04:12.20 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I doubt it'll kill OSS, but Linux will eventually drown in its own stupidity. |
| 04:12.26 | DB7654321 | mwilson: Anything in auth.log? |
| 04:12.28 | DB7654321 | erm |
| 04:12.30 | me1234 | gctayor: aah. |
| 04:12.37 | DB7654321 | me1234: Anything in auth.log? |
| 04:12.49 | thomas_adam | mwilson: which is defined in part by the users of it, including yourself. |
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| 04:13.00 | TresWBL | Hey guys, quick question....Is Debian only used for servers? I'm wanting to install it on my personal computer for everyday use....is it made for that? |
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| 04:13.10 | thomas_adam | TresWBL: go away |
| 04:13.13 | DB7654321 | TresWBL: It's good for just about anything |
| 04:13.15 | gctaylor | me1234: Even when I logged on to Mandrake box and ssh into woody and then run Mozilla, still slow. |
| 04:13.18 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Certainly. I never claimed I wasn't. |
| 04:13.30 | debian | TresWBL: yes |
| 04:13.35 | deadcat | TresWBL: debian is only used for comercialized servers... you have order them from dell. |
| 04:13.35 | me1234 | db765.: I can't read auth.log, since I can't su. but accorindg to strace, sending to the /dev/log socket seems to freeze the su process |
| 04:13.37 | Stripes | is it possible to use the same tool the debianCD install used to install windowing system? |
| 04:13.37 | mwilson | thomas_adam: But I'm not seeking religious nirvana, either. |
| 04:13.43 | bob2 | TresWBL: of course |
| 04:13.45 | Stripes | and if so, what is it? |
| 04:13.47 | bob2 | thomas_adam: dude, chill. |
| 04:13.56 | bob2 | Stripes: dselect, tasksel or aptitude. |
| 04:13.57 | DB7654321 | me1234: You can log in as root, no? |
| 04:13.59 | thomas_adam | bob2: it is cold in here, aye. |
| 04:14.03 | Stripes | :) nice |
| 04:14.03 | DB7654321 | me1234: ...You know, wihtout su? |
| 04:14.19 | TresWBL | Thx guys (except thomas_adam), appreciate it....all the install stuff I read seemed to only mention servers, just wanted to double check |
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| 04:14.20 | me1234 | db: no, login freezes as well. i can't log in as me, either. it freezes whether i type int he correct password or the wrong one |
| 04:14.34 | me1234 | db: so I am at a loss... |
| 04:14.45 | DB7654321 | me1234: Sounds to me like you're pretty well screwed unless you use single user mode |
| 04:15.11 | me1234 | db: i can do that, but I need to know what to fix. If i need to downoad new packages, I want to do it now before I reboot the machine |
| 04:15.13 | thomas_adam | TresWBL: Debian is a very very very good desktop OS, |
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| 04:15.32 | DB7654321 | me1234: I dunno -- I would suggest doing it for troubleshooting purposes |
| 04:15.51 | mwilson | thomas_adam: And since I'm *not* seeking nirvana, I'm the enemy. |
| 04:15.57 | TresWBL | thomas_adam: thx, I was figuring it was |
| 04:16.06 | TresWBL | thomas_adam: but just wanted to double check |
| 04:16.08 | maxb | can someone tell me which package contains ldconfig |
| 04:16.09 | thomas_adam | TresWBL: now that you have phrased your question easier :) |
| 04:16.26 | thomas_adam | TresWBL: what do you have planned for your computer? Word processing? |
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| 04:16.36 | DB7654321 | TresWBL: Woody makes for an outdated workstation, IMO. Sarge or sid are best for it. |
| 04:16.40 | thomas_adam | mwilson: shrug. |
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| 04:16.59 | TresWBL | thomas_adam: word processing, e-mail, internet access, coding, ect....just all the usual stuff. |
| 04:17.18 | TresWBL | DB7654321: Sarge or sid? |
| 04:17.27 | thomas_adam | TresWBL: I'd go with Sarge, since it is more upto date that woody is |
| 04:17.35 | bob2 | DB7654321: so that the new version can come in from sid |
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| 04:17.46 | TresWBL | DB7654321: What is Sarge? Is it another Distro? |
| 04:17.54 | thomas_adam | TresWBL: testing version of debian |
| 04:18.15 | TresWBL | but Sarge is stable enough for everday use? |
| 04:18.15 | thomas_adam | TresWBL: so-called: debian 'flavours' |
| 04:18.26 | DB7654321 | TresWBL: Yeah -- Debian has three (well, excluding experimental) versions of its release... (not a good explanation) |
| 04:18.28 | thomas_adam | TresWBL: oh yes |
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| 04:18.29 | stever | if i put nobody in group "root", why cant i access everything as user nobody? |
| 04:18.41 | bob2 | stever: DO NTO DO THAT |
| 04:18.43 | deadcat | TresWBL: woody=stable; sarge=testing; sid=unstable |
| 04:18.45 | thomas_adam | stever: chown -Rv 755 /dir |
| 04:18.50 | mwilson | stever: Because that's not how permissions work. |
| 04:18.54 | bob2 | stever: I will come over to your house and chop off your hands |
| 04:18.54 | me1234 | sever: maybe nobody has to sg to root? even then, things may not be group readable |
| 04:18.55 | thomas_adam | stever: chmod, even |
| 04:18.57 | DB7654321 | Stable, testing and unstable... Stable is currently called Woody. Testing is Sarge and unstable is always (as far as I know) Sid |
| 04:18.59 | stever | heh |
| 04:19.27 | stever | what if i did want to give nobody access to all dirs on a drive? what would i do? |
| 04:19.29 | bob2 | stever: the entire point of the "nobody" user is that it has access to nothing |
| 04:19.33 | dondelelcaro | w |
| 04:19.33 | bob2 | stever: you don't. |
| 04:19.40 | DB7654321 | OK. Back to unfuckifying lm-sensors. |
| 04:19.41 | bob2 | stever: what are you ACTUALLY trying to do? |
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| 04:19.57 | thomas_adam | stever: that would be LARTworthy if you did that |
| 04:20.04 | TresWBL | I'm at the Debian page now looking for Sarge |
| 04:20.08 | maxb | how do i ask apt what package a program is from? |
| 04:20.12 | stever | arghhhhh i am trying to get nfs clients to be able to access my entire nfs servers drive in ro mode without permission erros |
| 04:20.21 | thomas_adam | TresWBL: /msg apt stable->testing |
| 04:20.22 | bob2 | maxb: the bot or the program? |
| 04:20.26 | deadcat | TresWBL: you install stable(woody) then upgrade to sarge |
| 04:20.26 | bob2 | TresWBL: /msg dpkg d-i backup |
| 04:20.30 | maxb | the bot, sorry |
| 04:20.33 | mwilson | thomas_adam: You might want to look at the 2c tip about printing via ssh in this issue here... it's a little... confused. |
| 04:20.35 | me1234 | maxb: one way is to gerp in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list for what you want |
| 04:20.40 | me1234 | gerp - grep |
| 04:20.43 | thomas_adam | mwilson: oh? |
| 04:20.50 | deadcat | is it possible to make a .iso file in ext3 format and burn the thing? (= |
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| 04:21.10 | bob2 | maxb: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:21.33 | stever | so that i can check all files on remote servers with aide (tripwire) etc |
| 04:21.33 | bob2 | deadcat: of course not. it's called an iso because it's a ISO-9660 filesystem image. you can burn whatever you want onto a cd, though. |
| 04:21.41 | mwilson | So is the 2c Num Lock tip. |
| 04:21.45 | maxb | cheers bob2 |
| 04:21.46 | dondelelcaro | w |
| 04:21.53 | thomas_adam | mwilson: which edition? |
| 04:21.56 | dondelelcaro | hrm. this is definetly not the right window. |
| 04:21.58 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: you ok there? |
| 04:22.04 | deadcat | bob2: arg. i want to make the iso so that windows cant read it. possible? |
| 04:22.13 | mwilson | The issue #93 that had the original e-mail in it. |
| 04:22.27 | dondelelcaro | bob2: apparently not... |
| 04:22.31 | bob2 | deadcat: windows only understands ISO-9660 filesystems on cds, afaik. |
| 04:22.39 | deadcat | cool |
| 04:22.40 | TresWBL | deadcat: oh ok, thx |
| 04:22.44 | thomas_adam | mwilson: and now tell me your problems with the 2c-tips |
| 04:22.58 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Read it. |
| 04:23.08 | mwilson | thomas_adam: It's rather... disjointed. |
| 04:23.08 | thomas_adam | mwilson: which ones, sorry? |
| 04:23.09 | maxb | hmmm, i no longer seem to have ldconfig |
| 04:23.11 | bob2 | stever: run it as root |
| 04:23.33 | mwilson | thomas_adam: The wireless printing via ssh thing. |
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| 04:23.58 | stever | bob2: i do not want to do. i want the nfs root to be ro, root_squash, squash_all but i want the whole drive to be able to be read |
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| 04:24.17 | dondelelcaro | hrm. that's usefull. the PIIX4 i2c driver blows itself away. |
| 04:24.22 | stever | bob2: without users coming in as root |
| 04:24.34 | thomas_adam | mwilson: right....specifically what about it though? Come on, if you're going to criticise, at least have the decency to be specific :) |
| 04:24.51 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I've read all the way to the end, and I still don't understand what 'vacation' has to do with printing. |
| 04:25.10 | mwilson | thomas_adam: And it's not mis-placed text from another tip. |
| 04:25.14 | stever | bob2: i cannot figure out howto get the "squash_all" user account be able to read the entire drive when accessed via a non-root user |
| 04:25.53 | thomas_adam | mwilson: actually it is, but the header for it has been munged. This was later corrected in issue96, I believe |
| 04:26.04 | stever | fh_verify is driving me up a wall |
| 04:26.06 | thomas_adam | or was it 95? |
| 04:26.10 | thomas_adam | one of the two |
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| 04:26.26 | TresWBL | I'm trying to ID my video chipset...I'm using the nforce2 chipset with the integrated video....is my video chipset the same as my motherboard chipset then? |
| 04:26.35 | mwilson | thomas_adam: The Num Lock one is screwed in a similar manner. |
| 04:26.46 | thomas_adam | mwilson: see issue96 |
| 04:26.57 | Sub_Liminal | what does it mean if I have a whole lot of instances of apache running and my latency is at like 1500ms? |
| 04:27.14 | Sub_Liminal | and if I kill apache then my latency drops to 15ms |
| 04:27.39 | LoRez | Sub_Liminal: it means someone is surfing your machine |
| 04:27.52 | Sub_Liminal | but its almost instantly after bringing it up... |
| 04:28.08 | LoRez | use tcpdump or strace |
| 04:28.13 | Sub_Liminal | ahhh k |
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| 04:29.33 | mwilson | I love all these xmodmap tricks to make numlock behave, when all you have to do is hit the key. |
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| 04:29.45 | mwilson | Geeks. |
| 04:29.54 | Sub_Liminal | ok just started apache, have 15 instances of apache |
| 04:29.55 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: hey, that's a whole extra keystroke! |
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| 04:29.58 | Sub_Liminal | trying tcpdump |
| 04:30.54 | Jacobo221 | what script reads the /etc/environment file? |
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| 04:31.03 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: This one tells you to go edit xkb keyboard types. |
| 04:31.03 | thomas_adam | Jacobo221: ssh |
| 04:31.12 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Like I said... geeks. |
| 04:31.31 | toga | How do I re-install a pkg that is not in cache |
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| 04:31.44 | Jacobo221 | thomas_adam: I mean on boot time |
| 04:31.50 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Joe Public is really going to be doing THAT. |
| 04:31.59 | thomas_adam | Jacobo221: nothing, AFAIK. |
| 04:32.43 | mwilson | Let's see... or we have the "let's change their keycodes, so we can delete the numlock key from teh keyboard"... |
| 04:33.23 | debian | toga: add --reinstall |
| 04:33.25 | Jacobo221 | thomas_adam: but the environment file has the LC_LANG= setting, doesn't it? so it is read on boottime |
| 04:33.32 | hez | Anyone here with experience with BlueZ, I compiled 2.4.23 but when i run hciconfig it doesnt show any devices :( |
| 04:33.40 | thomas_adam | mwilson: I draw to your attention the tag-line: "Making Linux a litte more fun" |
| 04:33.41 | toga | debian: ok thx |
| 04:33.54 | The_Vulture | hez: go check the website for the compatability list |
| 04:33.56 | mwilson | thomas_adam: It's borderline irresponsible to recommend someone follow a Usenet post this old. |
| 04:33.59 | takingvitamins | hey, ive been messing around with creating .deb's with debhelper, any one up that can possible help? |
| 04:34.06 | hez | The_Vulture: its on there =\ |
| 04:34.23 | hez | The_Vulture: checked the bluez webpage and they have the iogear gbu301 |
| 04:34.34 | The_Vulture | I needed hci_usb, but I also needed bluefw |
| 04:34.45 | The_Vulture | which isn't even in sid yet, but something kind of usable is in unstable |
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| 04:34.51 | The_Vulture | s/unstable/incoming/ |
| 04:34.53 | The_Vulture | bleh |
| 04:35.02 | hez | bluefw? is it a package or module? |
| 04:35.03 | The_Vulture | if you google for debian bluefw you should be able to find it I guess |
| 04:35.07 | The_Vulture | package |
| 04:35.12 | zeta | if /bin gets moved somewhere else, is there a way to move it back? |
| 04:35.18 | The_Vulture | check the compatability list, it might not be relevent to you |
| 04:35.24 | zeta | w/o rooting the machine and mounting the drive |
| 04:35.25 | Sub_Liminal | ok i'm getting so much crap with tcpdump |
| 04:35.27 | mwilson | zeta: Sure. The same way you moved it the first time. |
| 04:35.28 | Sub_Liminal | even without apache on |
| 04:35.41 | hez | The_Vulture: oh i didnt see anywhere where it required anything.. <checks again> |
| 04:35.44 | zeta | mwilson: heh... but you can't exec the cp or mv commands anymore |
| 04:35.45 | Sub_Liminal | cause i'm on irc or something? |
| 04:35.59 | mwilson | zeta: You can't? Whyever not? |
| 04:36.07 | Shorty- | copy them someplace else |
| 04:36.07 | Sub_Liminal | oh should i limit it to 80 with a grep? |
| 04:36.16 | Sub_Liminal | tcpdump | grep .80 ? |
| 04:36.19 | zeta | i can only run the commands built into bash |
| 04:36.24 | Shorty- | cp /bin/cp /tmp |
| 04:36.25 | zeta | when i do... |
| 04:36.33 | mwilson | zeta: Really? Are your fingers broken and you can't type? |
| 04:36.36 | Shorty- | :D |
| 04:36.37 | The_Vulture | hez: http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/devices.html |
| 04:36.38 | Shorty- | /tmp/cp /bin /target |
| 04:36.39 | Shorty- | :D |
| 04:36.40 | thomas_adam | zeta: echo $PATH |
| 04:36.41 | zeta | exec /foobar/bin/cp |
| 04:36.43 | Shorty- | quite simple. |
| 04:37.04 | thomas_adam | zeta: look at the "enable" builtin and set -o |
| 04:37.13 | zeta | k |
| 04:37.14 | The_Vulture | seems to say the iogear g-thigns need bluefw too *shrugs* |
| 04:37.24 | zeta | thanks, i'll try that |
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| 04:37.50 | hackeron | hey, I'm having trouble making a patch, I changed 3 lines in a file of a source package, and I put the change in package-version and original is in package-version-orig... I ran diff -Nur package-version-orig/file package-version-new/file and made a patch file from output including the diff command as first line, it says chunk 1 failed.. any ideas why? |
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| 04:38.26 | The_Vulture | hez: ah, it wasn't actually _in_ experimental, the maintainer just called it an experimental package: http://bluez.sf.net/download/debian |
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| 04:38.54 | The_Vulture | (I found that by just googling for "bluefw debian", second link was some mailing list entry, the reply to that entry had that link) |
| 04:39.04 | Jacobo221 | what's happening? when I "startx" i get a message "changeing to nice value -11 from -10" or something like that. |
| 04:39.21 | hez | The_Vulture: gotcha |
| 04:39.26 | thomas_adam | Jacobo221: have you "and" installed? |
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| 04:40.10 | hez | The_Vulture: its actually in my sources list ;) the bluez site that is |
| 04:40.48 | The_Vulture | should just be apt-get install bluez-bluefw |
| 04:41.03 | hez | ack |
| 04:41.17 | hez | it still says 'usb device not claimed by any driver' |
| 04:41.41 | The_Vulture | have you loaded hci_usb? |
| 04:41.53 | Jacobo221 | thomas_adam: if and s supposed to be a command, then no. Also no "man and" exists on my box, so probably no "and" is installed |
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| 04:42.00 | hez | The_Vulture: yes |
| 04:42.00 | maxb | hez -- my bluetooth usb device gives me that message, but it stii works |
| 04:42.06 | hez | maxb: oh? |
| 04:42.15 | hez | hciconfig still doesnt show it though |
| 04:42.18 | The_Vulture | hez: try restarting hotplug (should have installed when you installed bluefw, if it wasn't already) |
| 04:42.27 | The_Vulture | I don't tink it started properly when I installed bluefw |
| 04:42.39 | maxb | ok, well mine shows up in hciconfig |
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| 04:43.25 | mwilson | I need a bigger bookshelf. |
| 04:43.39 | `Butthead | what package contains update-inetd? |
| 04:43.56 | thomas_adam | `Butthead: use apt-file |
| 04:44.01 | The_Vulture | hez: did you setup /proc/bus/usb like the hotplug instructions tell you to? |
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| 04:44.06 | bob2 | `Butthead: /msg dpkg search |
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| 04:44.10 | The_Vulture | do you have the right device nodes under /proc/bus/usb/ ? |
| 04:44.16 | hez | oh |
| 04:44.25 | hez | ummm no the howto i read never mentioned that =\ |
| 04:44.44 | The_Vulture | the hotplug installer should have come up with a dialog telling you to do that |
| 04:44.46 | iscsi | after changing /etc/network/interfaces, what do I do to load the new config? |
| 04:44.52 | The_Vulture | iscsi: ifup -a |
| 04:44.59 | The_Vulture | well that'll bring all the interfaces up anyway |
| 04:45.05 | The_Vulture | you can take them down first, ifdown -a |
| 04:45.42 | hez | The_Vulture: im not sure what im looking for in /proc/bus/usb |
| 04:45.50 | The_Vulture | anything |
| 04:46.08 | hez | yeah there is stuff there.. |
| 04:46.19 | hez | though hotplug complains about /proc/bus/input |
| 04:46.20 | mwilson | It's cold in here. |
| 04:46.32 | The_Vulture | ok, and you've loaded the hci_usb module? |
| 04:46.39 | hez | yup |
| 04:46.40 | zeta | thomas_adam: hmm I looked at the enable but all my bash commands are already enabled, I also tried to add my /fscked/bin to my $PATH but, it always tells me when I run a binary that the binary can't be found |
| 04:46.42 | zeta | any thoughts? |
| 04:46.47 | The_Vulture | and the bluefw package is installed? |
| 04:46.50 | hez | yes |
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| 04:47.04 | thomas_adam | zeta: is this as root or non-root? |
| 04:47.07 | hez | lsusb shows it =) |
| 04:47.08 | zeta | root |
| 04:47.08 | wara | Is there a way to set a marker for all currently installed packages, so that I can return to a known good set of packages, if I've been mucking about with packages. So far I have resorted to manually uninstalling bad packages and using dpkg to install the good ones, since there doesn't seem to be any "apt-get downgrade/undo" command. |
| 04:47.19 | thomas_adam | zeta: what does "file" say about /bin/true for instance? |
| 04:47.32 | gabod | does anyone know how i can create the character ^B as one character when editing a file so i can do echo "^BThis is bold text^B ? |
| 04:47.40 | The_Vulture | hez: shows the dongle? I guess that's a start, well try unplugging it and plugging it back in *shrugS* |
| 04:47.40 | hez | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0a5c:2033 Broadcom Corp. BCM2033 Bluetooth |
| 04:47.49 | hez | tried =) |
| 04:47.49 | The_Vulture | gabod: ctrl-b |
| 04:47.49 | wara | gabod: in which editor? |
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| 04:48.06 | The_Vulture | well yeah, sorry depends on the editor as to what it'd do |
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| 04:48.16 | gabod | wara: emacs or nano |
| 04:48.22 | zeta | thomas_adam: i don't have access to *any* commands besides builtin |
| 04:48.28 | terr | does anyone here have optical disk experiance? No use asking questions if noone has touched it. |
| 04:48.35 | zeta | as in, if it's not part of bash, i don't have access to it |
| 04:48.38 | thomas_adam | zeta: echo $SHELL |
| 04:48.40 | zeta | so no /bin no /sbin |
| 04:48.45 | The_Vulture | terr: CDs are optical disks aren't they? |
| 04:48.53 | zeta | /bin/bash |
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| 04:48.57 | wara | gabod: I can't remember, but try Ctrl-V then Ctrl-B. |
| 04:49.07 | terr | The_Vulture no - they are not. |
| 04:49.17 | The_Vulture | what kind of optical disk are you talking about then? |
| 04:49.25 | zeta | i have a feeling I will need to mount the disk with another machine or cd, and just fix it |
| 04:49.27 | Jacobo221 | what program reads the Xwrapper file? xinit? |
| 04:49.29 | hez | The_Vulture: :\ no more ideas eh? |
| 04:49.31 | wara | He might be referring to WORM disks (write once, read many) drives. |
| 04:49.33 | bob2 | terr: cds are optical. |
| 04:49.44 | bob2 | terr: if you mean "re-writable or WORM MO disks", then say so. |
| 04:49.53 | The_Vulture | hez: nope, I think that's all I had |
| 04:50.13 | wara | Somebody suffering from optical delusions? :-) |
| 04:50.18 | terr | panasonic LF1000 - phase change PD drive - 640 MB - I'm trying to format the media |
| 04:50.28 | The_Vulture | bob2: thanks |
| 04:50.34 | wara | Woo. Give up. Buy a CDRW. :-) |
| 04:50.52 | nitrium | who is current project leader, BTW |
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| 04:51.04 | terr | wara - this media has a shelf life of 15 years. CDRW is no where near that |
| 04:51.06 | zeta | thomas_adam: any last thoughts? |
| 04:51.11 | kmilo | there are packages for cross-compiling windows-linux app's in debian? |
| 04:51.36 | thomas_adam | zeta: umm, yes, you might have a permission problem on a critical lib somewhere... |
| 04:51.45 | The_Vulture | kmilo: "windows-linux app's"? |
| 04:51.51 | wara | We use DLT tapes. Do you know the shelf life? (Sorry for OT!) |
| 04:51.54 | terr | I also have real MO drives - like the Pinnical Apex 4.3 GB and HP1300's |
| 04:52.24 | terr | wara - shelf life of a DLT is probably close to 20 years... we read mag tapes from 40 years ago. |
| 04:52.26 | zeta | thomas_adam: hmm, I don't have much of a way to change let alone find out... well thanks for your help anyway |
| 04:52.50 | thomas_adam | zeta: it rings faint alarms bells...can you login and/or su to other users? |
| 04:52.54 | terr | Ah fuk. Bugs in mkdosfs. Look at this in #flood |
| 04:52.56 | The_Vulture | kmilo: why would you need to cross compile a linux app.. yer running linux aren't you? |
| 04:52.58 | thomas_adam | zeta: at other VTs? |
| 04:53.11 | zeta | thomas_adam: no, basically only programs that are currently running still work... so no ssh |
| 04:53.22 | bob2 | kmilo: do you mean "for cross-compiling windowsprograms on linux"? |
| 04:53.25 | zeta | thomas_adam: I am not a the machine so i can only ssh, no real terms |
| 04:53.34 | thomas_adam | zeta: ah. |
| 04:53.43 | kmilo | bob2: yes |
| 04:53.43 | zeta | i bet /bin/bash is no longer valid either (; |
| 04:53.44 | bob2 | kmilo: apt-cache search ming |
| 04:54.10 | thomas_adam | zeta: if that's the case you have hosed a lib somewhere along the line... |
| 04:54.11 | zeta | bash seriously needs to have some 'sanity' flags that detects if you're doing some retarded thing like mv * /foo if you're in / |
| 04:54.20 | zeta | thomas_adam: heh, i think i hosed a lot of stuff (; |
| 04:54.25 | zeta | thomas_adam: thanks again |
| 04:54.28 | thomas_adam | zeta: yw |
| 04:54.28 | bob2 | zeta: make a new shell called "moron shell" then. |
| 04:54.30 | rahul | kmilo: um, wine is for windows programs on linux... |
| 04:54.34 | rahul | er, bob2 |
| 04:54.38 | zeta | bob2: heh yeah not a bad idea |
| 04:54.44 | maher | terr: how long do cds last? |
| 04:54.46 | bob2 | rahul: he wants to build them. |
| 04:54.48 | rahul | mingw is for unix programs on windows |
| 04:54.52 | bob2 | maher: < 10 years |
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| 04:54.56 | bob2 | maher: for cdrs |
| 04:55.16 | bob2 | maher: prssed is longer. early pressed ones only have a few years left, tho, due to a flaw in their manufacture |
| 04:55.19 | rahul | bob2: wine provides a linux implementation of the win api with headers |
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| 04:55.50 | bob2 | rahul: I know that. |
| 04:55.55 | maher | bob2: i have audio cds older than that - they still seem to work ok |
| 04:56.04 | rahul | bob2: he said he wanted to compile windows programs on linux. |
| 04:56.04 | terr | mather - I dunno - I've never used them I have exabytes and mag tape comming out of my ears and opticals that cost me mega bux. So I have no experiance with the cheap stuff. But I have read - under 2 years in many cases. |
| 04:56.14 | bob2 | rahul: oh |
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| 04:56.25 | terr | rahul - wine provides a nice buzz too. ;-) |
| 04:56.26 | bob2 | maher: you have cdrs from more than 10 years ago? |
| 04:56.48 | kmilo | bob2: mingw? |
| 04:56.50 | rahul | terr: and a horrid hangover |
| 04:56.56 | The_Vulture | kmilo: apt-cache search mingw |
| 04:56.56 | rahul | terr: at least if you get wasted on it |
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| 04:56.58 | maher | bob2: no - i have music cds i bought in a store - my oldest cdrs are only 4 years old i think |
| 04:57.10 | The_Vulture | maher: right, pressed CDs are kinda different |
| 04:57.12 | smcavoy | Anyone know where I can find info on getting Debian running on a 12" Powerbook (new 1ghz model)? |
| 04:57.12 | terr | rahul - hmm - I don't get hangovers. |
| 04:57.24 | hez | The_Vulture: what devices do you have in /dev (should i have to create any?) |
| 04:57.34 | wara | There are archival quality CDR disks available that state 30+year shelf life. Sony, and others. |
| 04:57.38 | maher | smcavoy: have you tried linuxlaptops |
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| 04:57.41 | bob2 | smcavoy: people.debian.org/~branden/ibook/ |
| 04:57.42 | zeeble | smcavoy http://www.linux-laptop.net, tuxmobil.org |
| 04:57.45 | bob2 | smcavoy: also, #debianppc |
| 04:57.45 | The_Vulture | hez: I didn't have to create any, only thing I played with in there was adding the appropriate usbfs as the hotplug docs told me to |
| 04:57.48 | rahul | terr: even on wine? |
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| 04:58.00 | rahul | terr: you have to get wasted, tho |
| 04:58.02 | terr | wara - I'll belive that in 30 years. |
| 04:58.11 | hez | The_Vulture: you dont happen to have the url do you? |
| 04:58.13 | mwilson | smacnay: Use YDL. |
| 04:58.16 | rahul | terr: at least some people need to get wasted to get a hangover :P |
| 04:58.20 | smcavoy | thank you, maher bob2 zeeble |
| 04:58.23 | kmilo | bob2: thanks |
| 04:58.39 | zeeble | smacnay also look what mwilson said. |
| 04:58.39 | The_Vulture | hez: I wasn't reading from any URL. When I installed hotplug, debconf for it included instructions on creating the filesystem |
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| 04:58.43 | wara | terr: They do have good testing methods, to simulate aging via heat, humidity and other things, accelerating wear, and the breakdown of the materials. |
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| 04:59.08 | mwilson | smacnay: Not that Debian-PPC isn't a fine piece of work, but you'll find YDL far easier. |
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| 04:59.20 | hez | The_Vulture: oh, crud ... |
| 04:59.28 | terr | wara - I believe you. IMHO problem is they are too cheap. when drives cost 70,000 bux we got pretty good quality |
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| 05:00.25 | c | command > /dev/null |
| 05:00.25 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any consoled made IPTable front end firewall which takecare most of the rule for us ? |
| 05:00.29 | c | is that correct |
| 05:00.35 | c | or |
| 05:00.37 | thomas_adam | c: depends |
| 05:00.39 | c | command & > /dev/null |
| 05:00.45 | c | to fork it |
| 05:00.46 | thomas_adam | c: cmd 2>&1 /dev/null |
| 05:00.52 | c | and send output to dev/null |
| 05:00.56 | DB7654321 | Suckage...finally got lm-sensors-source to compile. Now it segfaults |
| 05:00.59 | thomas_adam | c: cmd & is the same as exec cmd |
| 05:01.05 | c | oo |
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| 05:01.14 | zeeble | xerophyte google for ipfw generator. its at morizot.net |
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| 05:01.28 | zeeble | xerophyte ermm, iptables generator |
| 05:01.32 | bob2 | thomas_adam: wtf? |
| 05:01.32 | c | thomas_adam will that fork it off the shell and send output to devnull |
| 05:01.34 | bob2 | thomas_adam: no it's not. |
| 05:01.36 | c | 'daemonize it' |
| 05:01.36 | mwilson | Ok, my stinkpad does NOT like to boot when it's in the dock... |
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| 05:01.42 | bob2 | thomas_adam: not even vaguely the same. |
| 05:01.44 | thomas_adam | bob2: bedtime for me now.... |
| 05:01.49 | bob2 | thomas_adam: yes |
| 05:01.53 | thomas_adam | bob2: 05:00 |
| 05:01.56 | thomas_adam | I am tired |
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| 05:02.11 | det | how do you specify talk to an x terminal |
| 05:02.17 | thomas_adam | did i say exec was the same as &? oh dear..... |
| 05:02.26 | rahul | det: it's a pts/* |
| 05:02.34 | rahul | det: not sure if you really can... |
| 05:02.42 | mavx | Anybody here use chbg.pl? |
| 05:02.46 | rahul | it doesn't show up in wtmp |
| 05:02.50 | mwilson | Need to re-do kernel on stinkpad... |
| 05:02.51 | det | rahul: w shows :0 |
| 05:02.59 | rahul | det: eh... |
| 05:03.00 | mavx | Err, chbg-gnome2.pl |
| 05:03.14 | rahul | det: I have no clue what to make of that |
| 05:03.14 | mwilson | Knew I'd forgotten one... |
| 05:03.15 | nictuku | i am not getting a reply from submit@bugs.debian.org. how can i see what's wrong? |
| 05:03.23 | det | rahul: for the terminal, while everything else is a pts |
| 05:03.31 | rahul | erm |
| 05:03.33 | c | cmd 2>&1 /dev/null |
| 05:03.38 | c | to daemonize it |
| 05:03.42 | rahul | det: it's not a terminal. it's an X display. |
| 05:03.42 | c | and not have it annoy me |
| 05:03.56 | rahul | c: apt-get install daemon |
| 05:04.00 | zeeble | heh, there's a distro in farsi called shabdix |
| 05:04.07 | c | rahul: :/ |
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| 05:04.17 | sakroot | helllo |
| 05:04.17 | c | im just confirmong |
| 05:04.25 | sakroot | someone with ipv6?¿ |
| 05:04.27 | c | sakroot: cmd 2>&1 /dev/null |
| 05:04.35 | bob2 | sakroot: /msg dpkg ask |
| 05:04.37 | rahul | c: it works well |
| 05:04.38 | c | to 'daemonize' something |
| 05:04.42 | bob2 | c: that doesn't daemonize anything. |
| 05:04.49 | sakroot | bob2 ?¿? |
| 05:04.52 | rahul | what bob2 said. |
| 05:04.54 | nictuku | stop repeating that please. |
| 05:04.55 | terr | what does the word "daemon" refer to? A little devil perhaps? |
| 05:04.56 | sakroot | c ?¿?¿ |
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| 05:05.22 | rahul | terr: it sits around waiting for you to ask it to do something... or something like that |
| 05:06.04 | bob2 | sakroot: do tou speak english or not? |
| 05:06.05 | zeeble | like a genie in a bottle? |
| 05:06.08 | terr | rahul - Oh - I know what daemons do - I'm asking the taxonomy of the word |
| 05:06.13 | rahul | terr: kind of out of sight and stuff |
| 05:06.22 | bob2 | c: it put's it in the background and stops it printing anything. |
| 05:06.23 | rahul | terr: yeah, there's a correlation here :P |
| 05:06.40 | terr | bob2 "tou"? not in my dictionary AFAIK |
| 05:06.49 | bob2 | blah |
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| 05:07.18 | rahul | terr: it's lurking in the background |
| 05:07.22 | SuperPhly | i need something that will give me server stats, such as uptime, bandwidth currently used, connections, users, etc in a cgi output for web... anyone know of a util like that? |
| 05:07.28 | rahul | bob2: dumbass |
| 05:07.29 | zeeble | terr AFAIK, it is derived from some greek work, whee daemon == entity |
| 05:07.37 | bob2 | rahul: zoof off. |
| 05:07.39 | terr | bob2 haha |
| 05:07.42 | terr | gotcha |
| 05:07.42 | SuperPhly | with ssi abilities |
| 05:07.56 | rahul | terr: a daemon is a spirit that sits around in the background and does something at opportune times |
| 05:07.57 | bob2 | you know |
| 05:08.02 | bob2 | I'm tempted to write things like that |
| 05:08.13 | terr | zeeble hmm - I have a good friend who is greek - I'll ask him |
| 05:08.19 | sheenmaster | terr: each daemon is bound to a person. If that person is bad, the daemon is bad. If that person is good, the daemon is good. |
| 05:08.19 | bob2 | and put it under a license that says it can be used by anyone except 14 year olds running their own hsoting companies. |
| 05:08.22 | rahul | terr: usually an intermediary between man and god |
| 05:08.22 | bob2 | they shit me |
| 05:08.27 | terr | rahul I didn't know that |
| 05:08.33 | rahul | bob2: must be painful |
| 05:08.41 | zeeble | terr http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=daemon |
| 05:08.56 | terr | zeeble ty |
| 05:09.00 | terr | much appreciated |
| 05:09.06 | rahul | dict daemon is better :) |
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| 05:09.13 | rahul | install lots of dictionaries. |
| 05:09.15 | terr | now back to this fuking optical.... |
| 05:09.32 | rahul | photino% dict daemon|wc -l |
| 05:09.32 | rahul | 143 |
| 05:09.33 | terr | I'm going to try an ext2 fs |
| 05:09.39 | zeeble | heck, daemon is supposed to mean Disk And Execution MONitor |
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| 05:09.45 | zeeble | never knew that |
| 05:10.41 | rahul | it was retro-acronymed that |
| 05:10.45 | helix | !catattack everybody |
| 05:10.46 | terr | <-- thinks daemons are cute sexy little female devils put on the planet to serve our every need |
| 05:10.46 | dpkg | An awful screech is heard as three ordinary-looking cats suddenly pounce on everybody's face, leaving two bloody eye sockets and a lot of claw marks |
| 05:10.53 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 05:10.53 | rahul | eek |
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| 05:11.01 | helix | bob2: no spank for you, ONE YEAR! |
| 05:11.02 | nictuku | zeeble: there are very different versions for that. |
| 05:11.08 | rahul | terr: and steal our sould |
| 05:11.11 | rahul | souls, even |
| 05:11.17 | rahul | heh |
| 05:11.19 | bob2 | helix: :-( |
| 05:11.29 | helix | bob2: right back atcha ;/ |
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| 05:11.29 | bob2 | helix: but I fixed it! |
| 05:11.34 | zeeble | nictuku i guess so, but is nice to know this one :) |
| 05:11.42 | helix | bob2: good thinking |
| 05:11.44 | helix | !spank bob2 |
| 05:11.54 | terr | rahul - ya - and our precious bodily fluids |
| 05:12.12 | rahul | women. |
| 05:12.18 | rahul | I mean, hi helix! |
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| 05:12.58 | terr | hmm - can I put an ext2 on a complete disk? mkfs is saying maybe yes |
| 05:13.08 | Shorty- | yeh |
| 05:13.11 | rahul | terr: you might be able to force it |
| 05:13.12 | Shorty- | I think so |
| 05:13.17 | rahul | I know xfs makes you use -f |
| 05:13.21 | Shorty- | just make one partition. |
| 05:13.28 | Shorty- | hdx1 and format that |
| 05:13.42 | terr | Shorty- ya what? really - screw the partition table? |
| 05:13.42 | zeeble | why is'nt there an action by dpkg to go for what was done in hell to adolf hitler in that movie little nicky? |
| 05:14.02 | Shorty- | terr: well what exactly are you trying to acomplish then? |
| 05:14.04 | terr | Shorty- this is a SCSI optical. |
| 05:14.11 | Shorty- | ah, Isee. |
| 05:14.42 | g4lt | zeeble because dpkg is run by people saner than an emu on acid |
| 05:15.02 | terr | zeeble you should have watched a bridge too far - on history channel last evening - 35,000 young men parachuted in and 17,000 casualties |
| 05:15.23 | zeeble | g4lt heh |
| 05:15.37 | helix | @kick rahul in the head until his feeble cranium explodes |
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| 05:15.54 | zeeble | terr gawd |
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| 05:16.07 | terr | shorty - I told it yes. GO fuk wiht the media. Its only got 500,000 lives and I have no other SCSi drives in this machine |
| 05:16.13 | rahul | helix: thanks |
| 05:16.15 | helix | quick poll: should i go grocery shopping tonight? [ ] yes or [ ] no |
| 05:16.21 | g4lt | terr amazingly, it happened a bit over fifty years ago, so I doubt it's news.... |
| 05:16.22 | helix | rahul: anything (painful) for you |
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| 05:16.24 | terr | zeeble GAWD WHAT? |
| 05:16.24 | Shorty- | heh ;) |
| 05:16.28 | zeeble | helix yes |
| 05:16.28 | rahul | helix: at this time? |
| 05:16.33 | helix | rahul: no |
| 05:16.37 | helix | rahul: somewhere around 3am |
| 05:16.41 | rahul | helix: no, cause me pain |
| 05:16.42 | zeeble | terr 17K people parachuting sounds like a LOT |
| 05:17.07 | helix | zeeble: it's nothing compared to 1 million |
| 05:17.15 | rahul | helix: at this time, you don't go shopping, you cause pain |
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| 05:17.29 | terr | g4lt watching movies like this should give you a healty disrepect for authority in all forms |
| 05:17.30 | helix | no, this is helix happy hour |
| 05:17.49 | rahul | free drinks? |
| 05:17.51 | zeeble | helix well, i guess airlifting is diferent from dropping people off planes |
| 05:17.59 | terr | zeeble 35,000PARACHUTED IN. 17,000 WERE LEFT BEHIND |
| 05:18.02 | rahul | actually I get those any hour :P |
| 05:18.07 | helix | rahul: all the water you can stand |
| 05:18.07 | Oientao | I'm getting a weird error -- Problem with mergelist - and - unable to write mmap... What should I do? |
| 05:18.11 | rahul | (at least from one bartender) |
| 05:18.11 | g4lt | terr gallipoli is another good one. Nobel laureats used as messengers, who of course got killed... |
| 05:18.12 | terr | damn - sorry of the caps lock |
| 05:18.13 | zeeble | terr will watch it. |
| 05:18.17 | rahul | helix: stand in or stand? |
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| 05:18.37 | helix | whatever |
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| 05:18.48 | rahul | hmm |
| 05:18.59 | Jacobo221 | how can I know if my ethernet is configured manually or by dhcp? |
| 05:18.59 | rahul | helix: well, whichever is more painful, I guess |
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| 05:19.06 | McQuaid | hello all |
| 05:19.08 | rahul | Jacobo221: what did you tell it to be? |
| 05:19.16 | terr | g4lt I've watched gallipoli - total stoopid Bullshit - but I didn't know of the noble lauriates. that is not in the movie |
| 05:19.19 | jeedo | could i have some sympathy |
| 05:19.21 | jeedo | ;/ |
| 05:19.23 | Jacobo221 | rahul: I can't remember, that's the problem :-) |
| 05:19.30 | zeeble | Jacobo221 ask your network admin |
| 05:19.30 | rahul | Jacobo221: man interfaces |
| 05:19.31 | jeedo | i just failed to resize my /home, lost some stuff |
| 05:19.33 | jeedo | ;/ |
| 05:19.41 | zeeble | jeedo congrats |
| 05:19.43 | McQuaid | i want to install an older version of a program, i have access to the .deb, can't i put it in my var/cache and have it accessible somehow to apt-get? |
| 05:19.43 | rahul | zeeble: he's asking what it IS, not what it SHOULD be |
| 05:19.48 | g4lt | terr sorry, I got that from one of Azimov's semi-biographies. |
| 05:19.53 | rahul | jeedo: my condolences |
| 05:19.57 | Jacobo221 | zeeble: I am my own network admin (bad network admin, indeed) ;-) |
| 05:20.02 | rahul | jeedo: do you use gnome or kde, too? |
| 05:20.05 | jeedo | well, i didnt "loose" anything, EXCEPT my futurama episoded |
| 05:20.05 | terr | jeedo you should know better. Never test on a production system |
| 05:20.10 | jeedo | rahul: : fluxbox actually |
| 05:20.11 | McQuaid | or because a new version is avail from the depositories, it will always show latest? |
| 05:20.14 | zeeble | rahul i'd ask my network admin to fix it if i cant |
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| 05:20.24 | rahul | jeedo: good, because I'd run out of condolences. |
| 05:20.28 | jeedo | but may they rest in peace |
| 05:20.39 | mwilson | ahhhhh... carne |
| 05:20.40 | rahul | zeeble: to fix the setup on your own box? |
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| 05:20.53 | jeedo | rahul: gnome is fine actually, besides it not havingtabs |
| 05:20.55 | zeeble | Jacobo221 well, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 05:20.59 | jeedo | and kde3.2 is kinda cool |
| 05:21.11 | rahul | not having tabs? |
| 05:21.25 | rahul | your keyboard is broken? |
| 05:21.30 | Jacobo221 | zeeble: ok, thanx |
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| 05:21.35 | mwilson | rahul: he doesn't understand that it's the window manager that does that. |
| 05:21.40 | Jacobo221 | rahul: thanx |
| 05:21.42 | rahul | mwilson: what tabs? |
| 05:21.47 | jeedo | rahul: im not going to ctrl+tab |
| 05:21.52 | rahul | eh? |
| 05:21.55 | songpenguin | I have a flash card and fdisk says it's fat16 but when I try to mount it vfat it gives me an error, is fat16 different than vfat? |
| 05:21.58 | rahul | I'm lost. |
| 05:22.11 | rahul | Jacobo221: you're welcome, I think |
| 05:22.12 | zeeble | heck, are we talking of window tabs or the tab key? |
| 05:22.15 | jeedo | no my keyboard is not broken, how is that relevant |
| 05:22.20 | rahul | if I could manage to figure out what you're thankful for :P |
| 05:22.30 | rahul | jeedo: you can't use the tab key or something |
| 05:22.32 | g4lt | songpenguin are you trying to mount a partition or /dev/sda? |
| 05:22.34 | terr | songpenguin yes it is. |
| 05:22.39 | zeeble | rahul he was thankful for "man interfaces" |
| 05:22.48 | rahul | zeeble: ah. praise the docs. |
| 05:22.54 | songpenguin | g4lt the whole /dev/sda |
| 05:22.57 | jeedo | rahul: yes,i could also just not use a mouse, and i could use a teminal, all those things would be slower |
| 05:23.06 | rahul | jeedo: huh? |
| 05:23.14 | rahul | I don't need a mouse in X most of the time |
| 05:23.21 | rahul | it just slows me down |
| 05:23.27 | songpenguin | g4lt: thanks that was the problem (/dev/sda1 |
| 05:23.28 | tipton | hello all .. I'm getting a weird problem here when I try to apt-get update - Error ocurred while processing ggz-kde-games - Problem With mergelist.. u know the rest... What do I have to do to fix this? |
| 05:23.30 | mwilson | ratpoison user? |
| 05:23.38 | vorpal | the oonly thing i really need a mouse for is web browsing |
| 05:23.45 | songpenguin | g4lt: I wonder why I did'nt think of that before? |
| 05:23.52 | mwilson | tipton: No, actually it's highly likely that people here are NOT clarivoyant. |
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| 05:24.50 | tipton | mwilson: I dunno what clariandshit means |
| 05:24.52 | tipton | lol ;) |
| 05:24.56 | tipton | I'm brazilian... |
| 05:25.18 | zeeble | heh |
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| 05:25.32 | rulesnut | Having the supposed power to see objects or events that cannot be perceived by the senses. |
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| 05:25.54 | tipton | rulesnut: it looks like that u never seen this error msg before... o_O |
| 05:26.02 | sheenmaster | I'm claravoyant. |
| 05:26.07 | mwilson | tipton: Able to see things without being there. |
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| 05:26.11 | tipton | sheenmaster: so u can help me! LL |
| 05:26.12 | tipton | LOL |
| 05:26.23 | sheenmaster | I hated SCO before they stated the libel and exthortion. |
| 05:26.29 | tipton | hahaha sheenmaster |
| 05:26.31 | rulesnut | u ?? |
| 05:26.31 | tipton | me + you == 2 |
| 05:26.43 | mwilson | Ah, I'm so glad I live in the southwest |
| 05:26.44 | rahul | mwilson: sawfish, for now |
| 05:26.46 | vorpal | sheenmaster: do you hate them more now? |
| 05:26.49 | tipton | rulesnut: u == you for the lazy asses ;) |
| 05:26.50 | zeeble | mwilson ratpoison shows all windows full screen, or can you still control application window sizes with .XDefaults? |
| 05:26.59 | rulesnut | ic |
| 05:27.11 | sheenmaster | vorpal: I don't know, using OpenServer for a week made me hate them pretty damn well before the whole mess. |
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| 05:27.15 | tipton | does anyone have any idea how to fix the problem |
| 05:27.16 | tipton | ? |
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| 05:27.35 | rahul | @constipate Kawfee |
| 05:27.35 | sheenmaster | vorpal: But yet, libel and exthortion makes them slightly more despicable than marketting UNIX93 as "cutting edge" |
| 05:27.39 | mwilson | zeeble: ratpoison can tile |
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| 05:27.52 | bob2 | tipton: you need to stop being so fucking lazy and punch that error into google. |
| 05:28.07 | tipton | bob2: I'm not fucking lazy, I'm just smart ;) |
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| 05:28.20 | rahul | tipton: it's smart to get people annoyed at you? |
| 05:28.22 | tipton | bob2: u otherwise, looks kinda bullshiting me for the time u spend here |
| 05:28.32 | Kawfee | hello ladies |
| 05:28.39 | Kawfee | ~poison rahul |
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| 05:28.42 | bob2 | tipton: stop ranting and fucking look. |
| 05:28.43 | tipton | rahul: if ur not here to help/get help - what r u here for? o_O |
| 05:28.44 | vorpal | sheenmaster: may they fade into oblivion |
| 05:28.46 | rahul | tipton: "u" don't look too smart when you use idjitspeek |
| 05:28.48 | bob2 | tipton: did it complain about "dynamic mmap"? |
| 05:28.53 | Kawfee | !poison rahul |
| 05:28.55 | rahul | tipton: you're not here to get help... |
| 05:29.01 | tipton | bob2: Yes it did |
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| 05:29.19 | bob2 | tipton: then search, for fuck's sake. |
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| 05:29.30 | bob2 | tipton: google will find fifty quintillion solutions. |
| 05:29.37 | tipton | bob2: you like to say fuck a lot, that must be because u dont fuck a lot ;) |
| 05:29.40 | tipton | thanks for your "help" |
| 05:29.41 | tipton | bye |
| 05:29.44 | rahul | bob2: all alike |
| 05:29.45 | debian | ~penixstrike Kawfee |
| 05:29.48 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Kawfee to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:29.48 | bob2 | moron |
| 05:29.49 | rahul | heh |
| 05:29.57 | bob2 | what the fuck is wrong with people? |
| 05:29.57 | songpenguin | g4lt: thanks |
| 05:30.04 | Kawfee | w00t! |
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| 05:30.08 | bob2 | I'm going on help strike now. |
| 05:30.11 | mwilson | bob2: You have to ask? |
| 05:30.11 | zeeble | mwilson hmm, mebbe will try it out. i seem to find ion and wmaker more intuitive though. maybe because of greater familiarity |
| 05:30.13 | bob2 | 100% flames, 100% of the time! |
| 05:30.31 | rahul | he's brasilian |
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| 05:30.37 | rahul | they don't have laws there |
| 05:30.39 | `Butthead | anyone know where I can look to change the background for the xdm login screen? |
| 05:30.40 | bob2 | that's no excuse |
| 05:30.45 | bob2 | not all brazillians are retards. |
| 05:30.48 | mwilson | zeeble: Why're you telling me this? Did we consult on window managers and I just don't remember it? |
| 05:30.58 | rahul | bob2: they have to take special effort to not be |
| 05:31.06 | bob2 | bleh |
| 05:31.17 | bob2 | his hostmask is burnt into my eyelids. |
| 05:31.20 | zeeble | mwilson umm, you just told me about ratpoison's tiling ability |
| 05:31.21 | bob2 | we shall meet again! |
| 05:31.22 | rahul | bob2: they think they can just go anywhere and take anything they want, especially when it comes to the internet |
| 05:31.34 | terr | is there another worm foating about? ma-insu@msf.big (153K) Microsoft Critical Update |
| 05:31.58 | bob2 | rahul: riiiight. |
| 05:32.05 | nictuku | terr: I get that ALL the time. |
| 05:32.05 | Kawfee | rahul, you do |
| 05:32.06 | rahul | terr: it's been around for ages |
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| 05:32.06 | rahul | bob2: it's true. they can, actually. |
| 05:32.12 | philips | can someone on a Sid box do dhcpd --version for me |
| 05:32.14 | rahul | KAWFEH |
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| 05:32.20 | mwilson | zeeble: Because you asked me. But I didn't suggest it to you. |
| 05:32.23 | Kawfee | RAH00 |
| 05:32.30 | rahul | philips: can you do "apt show dhcp sid"? |
| 05:32.36 | zeeble | mwilson fine. |
| 05:32.45 | rahul | philips: or cd pool/d/dhcp/ ; ls? |
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| 05:32.46 | terr | rahul - ya - I've seen it b4 too - but ti seems to be picking up again |
| 05:32.48 | philips | rahul I am not on a debian box |
| 05:32.55 | bob2 | rahul: they can actually go anywhere andtake anything they want? |
| 05:33.00 | rahul | philips: what does that have to do with this? |
| 05:33.01 | mwilson | zeeble: I wouldn't. I don't *like* ratpoison. |
| 05:33.03 | bob2 | !info dhcpd sid |
| 05:33.04 | philips | I just need to know what the current version on sid is |
| 05:33.04 | rahul | bob2: on the internet, they can |
| 05:33.05 | terr | drymartinis@peo (153K) Patch |
| 05:33.16 | zeeble | heh |
| 05:33.16 | rahul | philips: so look on the damn mirror |
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| 05:34.01 | simonrvn | woohoo Add an "apt-cache madison" |
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| 05:34.07 | simonrvn | :) |
| 05:34.08 | det | what is the registrar that you must register at least X amount of domain names that is aimed towards isps and other hosting companies ? |
| 05:34.15 | simonrvn | "but with less functionality" |
| 05:34.25 | bob2 | madison would be handy |
| 05:34.31 | bob2 | if anyone could use it anymore |
| 05:34.45 | terr | det - ask that queston again please |
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| 05:35.13 | philips | rahul geez, I didn't know I could do that, packages.debian.org is down. |
| 05:35.18 | philips | rahul thanks. |
| 05:35.22 | bob2 | det: most have reseller programs |
| 05:35.28 | bob2 | philips: you don't needpackages.debian.org |
| 05:35.34 | bob2 | philips: /msg dpkg info <packagename> |
| 05:35.40 | bob2 | philips: or look on a mirror |
| 05:35.41 | rahul | philips: you idiot. where the fuck did I tell you to go there? |
| 05:35.51 | terr | det - we are a registra - what are you asking |
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| 05:35.54 | rahul | oh, he was being serious |
| 05:36.29 | rahul | philips: I've actually been verbally abused by a newbie for basically the exact conversation we just had :P |
| 05:36.36 | det | terr, there is a domain name registrar that I forget the name of, it is for isps to register domain names with and has a minimum amount of registers per year I think |
| 05:36.42 | rahul | philips: but it should be rather obvious that you can look on a mirror and see what it has |
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| 05:37.19 | terr | del - I have no idea. We partnered with MelbourneIt - they are just excellent. |
| 05:37.33 | det | terr, what are their prices? |
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| 05:37.45 | philips | rahul I know, I know, thanks |
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| 05:38.01 | terr | del - we had a lot of reasons to choose them. One is to move legal issues out of the USA |
| 05:38.22 | det | do you reside in the USA? |
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| 05:39.16 | terr | det on a partnership - you have to be serious - put up $1500 bux - then have two name servers and know what you are doing - and you get about 30% which is fair. THey give excellent support. |
| 05:39.42 | det | found what I was looking for |
| 05:39.44 | det | opensrs |
| 05:39.46 | terr | det - IMHO price is irrelevant - one law suit wipe out 1000's of fees |
| 05:40.00 | terr | det - the are Canadian. |
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| 05:40.13 | terr | det we used them once |
| 05:40.30 | det | comments ? |
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| 05:41.01 | det | terr,what if a lawsuit is brought against you in AU, you must travel there ? |
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| 05:41.30 | terr | det - yes - and we registar .com.au outside of OZ |
| 05:41.55 | rahul | det: well, if you can't be punished by them, they can't do anything :) |
| 05:41.57 | bob2 | terr: how much? |
| 05:42.00 | simonrvn | gimp 1.3 finally gets updated after 2+ months |
| 05:42.12 | simonrvn | s/2+/~2/ |
| 05:42.16 | terr | bob2 how much what? |
| 05:42.20 | rahul | det: if you have assets there, they can seize them, etc, but otherwise, their laws don't apply |
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| 05:42.26 | zenlunatic | simonrvn: on footnotes? news? |
| 05:42.32 | c | POP |
| 05:42.33 | det | rahul: but you can lose the domain name in a dispute :) |
| 05:42.34 | c | FIZZZ |
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| 05:42.47 | c | 2.4.24 + grsec installed! |
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| 05:42.51 | Annirak | Just a question: using sed -e 's/regex/replacement/' do the special escape characters \1 through \9 work in the replacement section? |
| 05:42.51 | c | so to celebrat this |
| 05:42.52 | rahul | det: that's an asset :) |
| 05:42.53 | simonrvn | zenlunatic: as in, installable again, instead of being on hold |
| 05:42.58 | bob2 | terr: for a .net.au. |
| 05:43.02 | c | Free shell accounts on the shell server |
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| 05:43.07 | zenlunatic | simonrvn: ? |
| 05:43.08 | bob2 | Annirak: yes |
| 05:43.10 | c | anyone up for some? |
| 05:43.14 | c | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.16 | terr | det - you are correct- if you fuk up ou can lose your company through a znaked name |
| 05:43.18 | c | dual 2Ghz box |
| 05:43.28 | zeeble | c stfu |
| 05:43.44 | c | zeeble how bout you asswhipe? |
| 05:43.51 | zenlunatic | both |
| 05:43.55 | simonrvn | c: you're offering free shell accounts in a linux-based channel. funny |
| 05:44.06 | terr | bob2 terr: for a.net.au is not a sentance |
| 05:44.19 | bob2 | 16:45:25 terr | det - yes - and we registar .com.au outside of OZ |
| 05:44.19 | simonrvn | the logic escapes me |
| 05:44.21 | bob2 | 16:45:52 bob2 | terr: how much? |
| 05:44.23 | bob2 | 16:46:11 terr | bob2 how much what? |
| 05:44.26 | bob2 | 16:46:53 bob2 | terr: for a .net.au. |
| 05:48.30 | c | what assholes |
| 05:48.30 | Kawfee | wow |
| 05:48.30 | Kawfee | apt, who did that? |
| 05:48.32 | | Kawfee: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:48.46 | c | anyway |
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| 05:49.49 | c | want a shell |
| 05:49.49 | Kawfee | woot! |
| 05:49.51 | Kawfee | rahul, did you do that? |
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| 05:50.03 | Kawfee | RAH00! |
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| 05:50.04 | rahul | @penixstrike Kawfee |
| 05:50.04 | debian | !penixstrike Kawfee |
| 05:50.04 | dpkg | Don't do that. |
| 05:50.05 | Kawfee | haha |
| 05:50.05 | Kawfee | !rahulstrike debian |
| 05:50.05 | dpkg | A huge rahul decends from the sky, attempting to hit debian but misses, leaving a trail of rahul mush behind. |
| 05:50.05 | debian | !debianstrike Kawfee |
| 05:50.05 | dpkg | ~penixstrike Kawfee |
| 05:50.12 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Kawfee to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:50.13 | khirano | hi |
| 05:50.13 | simonrvn | hehehehe |
| 05:50.13 | terr | wb everyone |
| 05:50.13 | g4lt | !fruitsmite debian |
| 05:50.13 | debian | !kick apt |
| 05:50.13 | terr | bob2 terr: for a.net.au is not a sentance |
| 05:50.13 | terr | bob2 I'm missing some things |
| 05:50.13 | bob2 | terr: ffs |
| 05:50.13 | simonrvn | sentence |
| 05:50.13 | bob2 | terr: nevermind, you've ignored the entire conversation twice now. |
| 05:50.13 | terr | bob2 - sorry about that. I'm formatting that optical too |
| 05:50.13 | ravenbird | Stop using this. |
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| 05:50.15 | debian | @factinfo penixstrike |
| 05:50.15 | Kawfee | apt, lagg |
| 05:50.19 | | Kawfee: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:50.19 | ravenbird | penixstrike -- created by simonrvn <simon@simonrvn.usercloak.freenode> 2d 2h 7m 46s ago. |
| 05:50.19 | oranceslice | Hi, I was wondering if its possible to have a different user on each virtual-desktop in X? If it is, how do I do it? |
| 05:50.19 | terr | does anyone here know anything about actinde transmutations and scintillation technology? |
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| 05:50.27 | simonrvn | terr: how is biochem relevant here? :) |
| 05:50.27 | terr | oranceslice yes it is. |
| 05:50.27 | terr | simonrvn not biochem - sorry |
| 05:50.33 | g4lt | simonrvn looks like you missed one... |
| 05:50.36 | simonrvn | laaaaaaaggg-oooo-raaamaaaa |
| 05:50.44 | oranceslice | terr: thought so, how do I do that then? if itis simple could you tell me, otherwise do you know of a good howto for it? |
| 05:50.44 | terr | simonrvn also bnot relvavent unless ppl are inerested |
| 05:51.04 | bob2 | oranceslice: no, a user owns an X session. |
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| 05:51.09 | bob2 | oranceslice: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:51.15 | simonrvn | oranceslice: you don't need a howto to type startx -- :1 |
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| 05:51.46 | karsten | Can bash "case/esac" be used to match on a string? Eg: "*pattern text*" matching "string pattern text match" |
| 05:51.52 | oranceslice | bob2: I want to say have user1 on virtual-desktop #1 and user2 on virtual-desktop #2 |
| 05:51.54 | simonrvn | !factinfo penixstrike |
| 05:51.54 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as penixstrike, simonrvn |
| 05:52.06 | bob2 | oranceslice: why? is starting a seperate X server for each ok? |
| 05:52.17 | oranceslice | bob2: sure if thats the way to do it |
| 05:52.31 | terr | oranceslice well - you need to look at putting X-windoes up on other machines. ssh -X blah does this. |
| 05:52.36 | bob2 | oranceslice: "startx -- :1" as another user. |
| 05:52.40 | cutter | I've been running debian for several years now. Some testing, some sid. I've noticed that as I set up new boxes from what appear to be the same release, some packages disappear after time. Is there a rhyme or reason to this? Like the testing galeon no longer exists. Just unstable. But it used to. Any words of wizdom here? |
| 05:52.47 | bob2 | oranceslice: or do you just want to run something as root or another user? |
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| 05:52.58 | oranceslice | bob2: aah I see, is there a way to do this using a login manager like gdm and kdm? |
| 05:53.01 | terr | karsten yes |
| 05:53.01 | bob2 | cutter: it was removed for being buggy |
| 05:53.14 | bob2 | oranceslice: yes, you can configure it to run on multiple terminals. I'm not sure how, though. |
| 05:53.27 | simonrvn | oranceslice: configure them to start up a second login |
| 05:53.31 | mwilson | cutter: Testing is *not* a "release". It is a collection of software in flux. |
| 05:53.48 | oranceslice | oranceslice: What I'd like is this. In KDE, have desktop-1 be root and desktop-2 by my user, etc... |
| 05:53.54 | mwilson | cutter: Stable is the only Debian "release". |
| 05:53.59 | oranceslice | err that was to you bob2 :) heh |
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| 05:54.15 | zeeble | oranceslice dont think that is possible |
| 05:54.18 | cutter | bob2: Well that makes sense since it's been driving me nuts as it starts and stops working. It used to be more stable than the current versions. |
| 05:54.24 | bob2 | oranceslice: why, though? |
| 05:54.30 | oranceslice | bob2: why not? :) |
| 05:54.37 | karsten | terr: How? |
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| 05:54.51 | bob2 | cutter: yes. packages get culled from testing if they're too buggy. they can re-enter from sid if they get better. |
| 05:54.52 | karsten | terr: I've got a test case that doesn't work, can paste to flood. |
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| 05:55.10 | karsten | terr: case "$test" in |
| 05:55.13 | bob2 | oranceslice: because running KDE as root is really, really stupid. do you mean "I'd like to run the occasional GUI app as root"? |
| 05:55.14 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.18 | karsten | terr: ...doesn't cut it. |
| 05:55.22 | oranceslice | zeeble: I think it is though |
| 05:55.22 | Matthew_I | when writing a bin image to a floppy do I have to use bs=1024 or will it work with out it? |
| 05:55.28 | cutter | mwilson: I appologise for using the word, "release". I realize it has a very strict meaning to some. I expect that the software is updated less often than sid, but none the less isn't fixed. I just wasn't used to seeing software all together disappear. |
| 05:55.33 | karsten | Matthew_I: It'll figure it out. |
| 05:55.40 | mwilson | Matthew_I: It'd be bs=512, and no. |
| 05:55.43 | cutter | mwilson: apparently it's in more flux than I thought. thanks. |
| 05:55.44 | karsten | Matthew_I: Setting a larger blocksize can work faster sometimes. |
| 05:55.47 | Matthew_I | ok thanks |
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| 05:56.05 | zeeble | oranceslice fine. if you believe it is possible, then go ahead. why ask? |
| 05:56.07 | oranceslice | bob2: well what I mean is like desktop-1 would be user1 and desktop-2 would be user-2 and desktop-3 would be user-3 etc... |
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| 05:56.14 | sgeigerbot | TresWBL: I use a version of Debian called Knoppix on desktop computers. It's very easy to install. |
| 05:56.17 | oranceslice | zeeble: heh |
| 05:56.21 | mwilson | karsten: My bad... I *always* see bs= as "bytes-per-sector". |
| 05:56.23 | terr | karsten please paste in flood |
| 05:56.24 | bob2 | oranceslice: yes, that's not possible and it's a really, really, really bad idea. |
| 05:56.29 | bztunk | sgeigerbot: fucked up bot! |
| 05:56.32 | oranceslice | zeeble: because I dont know how to do it, I just am sure its possible |
| 05:56.32 | bob2 | oranceslice: sudo is almost certainly what you want. |
| 05:56.46 | oranceslice | bob2: well lets say I dont include root in there then |
| 05:57.01 | cutter | bob2: Make sense. Thanks for the info. Have a good eve or whatever it is where you are. |
| 05:57.07 | bob2 | cutter: adios! |
| 05:57.08 | zeeble | oranceslice how the heck are you sure it is possible if you dont know how? |
| 05:57.21 | bob2 | oranceslice: it's still a bad idea. and not possible. |
| 05:57.33 | oranceslice | because I've seen a screenshot that showed that was what someone was doing |
| 05:57.41 | oranceslice | but they didnt say how they were doing it |
| 05:57.42 | oranceslice | just that they were |
| 05:57.48 | zeeble | oranceslice show the said screenshot |
| 05:57.57 | bob2 | oranceslice: where? |
| 05:58.19 | oranceslice | I don't remember where it was, which is also the problem, so I thought I'd ask |
| 05:58.35 | bob2 | oranceslice: it's not possible to actually do like you say. |
| 05:58.37 | oranceslice | although I just saw something on the x-strike-force page, that made me think of it |
| 05:58.39 | karsten | mwilson: In some cases it matters. Tape can be very finnicky. Floppies seem to be more lenient. |
| 05:58.49 | oranceslice | so maybe I'm misinterpreting what it means |
| 05:58.56 | bob2 | oranceslice: you could hack up KDE to use sudo to run all apps as some particular user when started from a particular desktop, but why? |
| 05:59.03 | Kawfee | bob2, how's the weather there? |
| 05:59.14 | bob2 | Kawfee: cold! |
| 05:59.16 | oranceslice | bob2: well yea I know how to run apps as other users in KDE, really simple |
| 05:59.19 | zeeble | oranceslice see, you can have paricular apps started as a particular user. i am not sure you can get KDe's WM to start one desktop as user foo and desktop 2 as user baz |
| 05:59.38 | Kawfee | bob2, oh really? |
| 05:59.40 | oranceslice | bob2: just was wondering if its possible to make it so that on say desktop-2 all apps started, start as user-2 or whatever |
| 05:59.41 | simonrvn | karsten: also boot floppies too. on each mac i've used, i had to use 512 instead of 1024, if i use bs= at all |
| 05:59.45 | zeeble | oranceslice maybe you could ask #kde? |
| 05:59.58 | Kawfee | bob2, we had to turn the ac here on the other day |
| 06:00.01 | bob2 | oranceslice: ask the kde people. I really doubt anyone would bother doing it, however. |
| 06:00.05 | oranceslice | zeeble: I dont think this would be KDE specific |
| 06:00.22 | mwilson | How would it NOT be KDE-specific? |
| 06:00.23 | zeeble | oranceslice so what specific? you sure think a lot for one person |
| 06:00.24 | oranceslice | bob2: on the x-strike-force page it shows a screenshot in X -- actually with KDE |
| 06:00.31 | oranceslice | mwilson: would it have to be? |
| 06:00.31 | bob2 | oranceslice: indeed. |
| 06:00.38 | mwilson | *X* doesn't do virtual desktops, window managers do. |
| 06:00.40 | oranceslice | mwilson: wouldn't it need some support from X? |
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| 06:00.49 | yo_linux | simonrvn: I've got a box here that won't deliver a usable boot floppy unless I use bs-1440k no idea why, but it works. |
| 06:00.50 | oranceslice | mwilson: aah ok :) |
| 06:01.08 | mwilson | yo_linux: That's the size of an empty floppy. |
| 06:01.09 | simonrvn | yo_linux: whoah |
| 06:01.16 | oranceslice | well on the x-strike-force page, it has that screenshot and says "A $DISPLAY on every screen." |
| 06:01.19 | rahul | oranceslice: the only support it needs is to be able to move and unmap and map windows |
| 06:01.20 | yo_linux | mwilson: yea. |
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| 06:01.42 | mwilson | oranceslice: Yes, and every screen DOES have a $DISPLAY variable associated with it. Your point? |
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| 06:01.57 | yo_linux | simonrvn: _nothing_ else works, they all die. |
| 06:01.59 | oranceslice | mwilson: umm ok, settle down man :) |
| 06:02.06 | mwilson | oranceslice: How many screens do you see sitting in front of you? One? |
| 06:02.07 | oranceslice | mwilson: I thought it meant something different |
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| 06:02.34 | karsten | simonrvn: OK. |
| 06:02.37 | simonrvn | quite unusual |
| 06:02.52 | oranceslice | mwilson: and actually, I have two screens sitting in front of me |
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| 06:03.04 | mwilson | karsten: How does the quote go? Is it "X sets mechanism, not policy" ? |
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| 06:04.05 | polok | Hello, I've just got a new monitor and it's V and H sync rates are different to the old one, this one allows 1280x1024 resolution. I ran xf86config and changed all the settings but it doesn't seem to do anything. Is there another way (like dpkg-reconfigure <package name>) to fix this up? |
| 06:04.17 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:04.29 | oranceslice | mwilson: I thought it meant desktop when it said screen -- the screenshot caption I mean |
| 06:04.32 | cutter | is there a way to edit the dependencies on a package? For example, if you have an old package A which depends on Y, but X, Y and Z have been replaced with W. How to you cleanly tell dpkg that W satisfies the dependency for X? |
| 06:04.41 | polok | simonrvn: thanks |
| 06:04.46 | simonrvn | oranceslice: 2 different concepts |
| 06:05.12 | mwilson | cutter: It's W you need to fix, not A. If W satisfies it, then it should be Providing it. |
| 06:05.18 | oranceslice | simonrvn: yea, I was just confused about the terminology that was being used since sometimes people interchange them |
| 06:05.32 | karsten | mwilson: Right. |
| 06:05.40 | simonrvn | oranceslice: not as far as i've seen do they do that. but whatever.. |
| 06:05.49 | karsten | mwilson: ...and GNOME sets the bozo bit. |
| 06:06.12 | oranceslice | simonrvn: I've seen other people say screen when they meant desktop, I didnt say anyone on the x-strike-force say that |
| 06:06.16 | mwilson | karsten: I'll quote you on that last one. :) |
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| 06:07.14 | karsten | mwilson: ;-) |
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| 06:07.38 | oranceslice | mwilson: thanks for the help and have a good night |
| 06:07.52 | cutter | mwilson: hmmm... So there used to be a package xlib6g. When I apt-get it, it tells me that it's not available, however "xlibs libxaw6-dbg libxaw6" replace it. Does that mean xlibs' "provides" is broken? That seems less likely than me messing something up. |
| 06:08.07 | simonrvn | @qotd3 is <reply>karsten | mwilson: ...and GNOME sets the bozo bit. |
| 06:08.09 | ravenbird | ...but qotd3 is already something else... |
| 06:08.14 | simonrvn | @qotd3 |
| 06:08.14 | ravenbird | methinks qotd3 is blah |
| 06:08.20 | simonrvn | @no qotd3 is <reply>karsten | mwilson: ...and GNOME sets the bozo bit. |
| 06:08.21 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 06:08.30 | terr | karsten you missed the boat my friend |
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| 06:08.38 | rahul | cutter: it means that that package is useless. |
| 06:08.54 | mwilson | cutter: No, that's a special case. If you have a package that wants the transition package xlib6g, just rebuild it. It'll then have the correct dep on xlibs. |
| 06:09.15 | terr | rahul you are repeating yourself "that that" |
| 06:09.27 | rahul | terr: they mean different things |
| 06:09.28 | mwilson | simonrvn: Why was that worth saving? |
| 06:09.40 | rahul | terr: one is a conjunction, the other is a noun |
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| 06:09.48 | zeeble | that he |
| 06:09.51 | terr | rahul sure! of course. |
| 06:09.56 | zeeble | demn, that the |
| 06:10.16 | simonrvn | bah |
| 06:10.19 | rahul | terr: you kawfee |
| 06:10.22 | rahul | simonrvn: you terr |
| 06:10.30 | rahul | Kawfee: you simonrvn |
| 06:10.32 | terr | rahul and my english teacher was 10 yesr old and couldn't dso math |
| 06:10.42 | cutter | mwilson: if the package is no longer available in any of the debian areas, how would I go about rebuilding it? All I have is an old xv .deb file. But I haven't seen xv in debian for a while. |
| 06:10.47 | rahul | terr: ok |
| 06:10.59 | cutter | mwilson: though I haven't checked sid lately, since packages is down. |
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| 06:11.04 | terr | Kawfee are we being picked on? |
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| 06:11.19 | rahul | terr: you're being described |
| 06:11.22 | mwilson | cutter: *xv*!? |
| 06:11.27 | simonrvn | @wenas |
| 06:11.27 | rahul | Penix: you cutter |
| 06:11.35 | rahul | heh |
| 06:11.41 | karsten | terr: Sorry? |
| 06:11.42 | cutter | lol! |
| 06:11.47 | Penix | wenas |
| 06:11.52 | mwilson | cutter: Don't go away, I will be right back. |
| 06:11.52 | terr | rahul ok. I'll go along with that |
| 06:11.58 | karsten | terr: I got my working code. |
| 06:12.00 | rahul | ~penixstrike Penix |
| 06:12.04 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 06:12.04 | cutter | mwilson: ok. :-) |
| 06:12.39 | terr | karsten you have to put some echos in each option |
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| 06:14.13 | cutter | rahul: what's the "you cutter"? |
| 06:14.23 | rahul | cutter: you Penix |
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| 06:15.08 | karsten | terr: I don't know what you're looking at, but I did. |
| 06:15.31 | balzac | new thoughts from richard stallman: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/01/05/1231254 |
| 06:15.32 | terr | karsten you did what - I like predicates |
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| 06:15.36 | polok | Ok, I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and the upgrade to the new monitor is fine-ish |
| 06:15.46 | polok | but |
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| 06:16.09 | polok | the mouse pointer is a big ugly scrambly square |
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| 06:16.27 | Siddhartha | eyo |
| 06:16.31 | rahul | balzac: we care. |
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| 06:16.55 | mwilson | Now... where were we? |
| 06:16.59 | hez | I got bluetooth going, now im just struggling with the last little bit... anyone know how to set up bluez-pan? |
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| 06:17.31 | c | Has deb patched the vuln in OpenSSH prior to 3.7 ? |
| 06:17.41 | terr | balzac old nes - read that yesterday |
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| 06:17.55 | cutter | mwilson: I believe I was complaining because I have found no image viewer that matched the speed and simplicity of old-school xv. |
| 06:18.01 | mwilson | cutter: All you need to do is get your hands on the source for the Debian package. |
| 06:18.19 | c | >>> |
| 06:18.21 | c | ??? |
| 06:18.31 | bob2 | it's by far the best porn-organising software around |
| 06:19.14 | rahul | fbi is nice |
| 06:19.14 | bob2 | c: from when? |
| 06:19.18 | rahul | but doesn't have much for modifying images |
| 06:19.18 | bob2 | I don't use either. |
| 06:19.18 | polok | brb |
| 06:19.18 | rahul | bob2: stop being trolled |
| 06:19.18 | mwilson | cutter: The last Debian package was rather broken, but it builds. |
| 06:19.18 | karsten | terr: Look at the script I uploaded. It includes a command for each case condition. My test runs as desired. |
| 06:19.18 | Siddhartha | WTF???? |
| 06:19.18 | cutter | mwilson: problem is that it's not in sid anymore. So I'm not sure where to get the source to it. |
| 06:19.18 | Siddhartha | ur name is Rahul? |
| 06:19.21 | Siddhartha | damn |
| 06:19.22 | mwilson | cutter: It never was in Sid. |
| 06:19.28 | rahul | Siddhartha: no, it's Joe |
| 06:19.31 | rahul | heh |
| 06:19.33 | mwilson | The last it was in was Potato. |
| 06:19.39 | rahul | Siddhartha: it's not THAT rare of a name... |
| 06:19.42 | mwilson | xv's license is non-free. |
| 06:19.47 | Siddhartha | That's my name |
| 06:19.50 | Siddhartha | Rahul |
| 06:19.57 | rahul | yes, I figured |
| 06:20.05 | rahul | from your login name and all |
| 06:20.05 | Siddhartha | yeah it is dude, I've only met like 2 other rahuls ever |
| 06:20.18 | Siddhartha | r u buddhist? |
| 06:20.30 | rahul | Siddhartha: I've met 2 personally and been confused with 2 others. |
| 06:20.39 | rahul | Siddhartha: I can be, at times |
| 06:20.50 | mwilson | cutter: Anyway... |
| 06:20.52 | mwilson | # unofficial xv source |
| 06:20.52 | mwilson | deb-src http://debian.uni-essen.de/misc/local/ theo-phys local |
| 06:20.54 | cutter | mwilson: oh. Interesting. I guess it hasn't been in devel for a long long time. I have the 3.10a package, which I probably got from potato. I've been passing it from machine to machine as I set them up. |
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| 06:20.59 | rahul | it helps get you in the right frame of mind to understand quantum mechancis |
| 06:21.13 | mwilson | That'll get you the sources for the -26 package. It builds without modifications on Sid. |
| 06:21.18 | bob2 | heh, cisco |
| 06:21.22 | balzac | i agree rahul |
| 06:21.26 | rahul | heh, crisco |
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| 06:22.10 | balzac | their ideas on form, formlessness, the void sound like very current ideas |
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| 06:22.17 | cutter | mwilson: excellent. I'll try that out. And I'll hand on to the package source rather than just the package so I can make new packages if needed later. |
| 06:22.21 | mwilson | It doesn't have a lot of the patches that're now available on the xv site, and some of what it does have doesn't apply properly. Nothing fatal... I think if it'd continued in Debian, it would have gotten cleaned up. |
| 06:22.25 | rahul | balzac: yep |
| 06:22.36 | mwilson | Not that it's hard to clean up. |
| 06:23.06 | mwilson | rei $ dpkg -l | grep 3.10a |
| 06:23.06 | mwilson | ii xv 3.10a-33 An image viewer and manipulator for the X Wi |
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| 06:23.09 | c | bob2: 2003/09/20 |
| 06:23.20 | balzac | i'm not talking primative buddhism or religion, i'm talking about zen mind-science and the real awareness of buddha |
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| 06:23.23 | mwilson | I need to teach xv what xinerama is. |
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| 06:23.33 | bob2 | c: then "yes, on 2003/09/20". |
| 06:23.59 | balzac | the tao te ching is amazing too |
| 06:25.00 | Ra1stlin | cya |
| 06:25.11 | mwilson | cutter: There are lots of neat things out there you can seduce xv into doing. :) |
| 06:25.16 | jariep | bob2, i just want to know the right thing to do, that is why i was so caught up in the legal affair |
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| 06:25.28 | bob2 | jariep: ok. |
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| 22:40.04 | p-man | what is the proper way of stoping X in Debian ? |
| 22:40.18 | pmitros | Oh. Pity. |
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| 22:40.22 | pmitros | Neat bot. |
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| 22:40.23 | nvz | yeah the orange works, provides good contrast.. easy to read.. the red is blinding |
| 22:40.24 | Rubin | p-man: depends how you started it |
| 22:40.29 | p-man | switching runleves seems to have no effect |
| 22:40.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell p-man about nodm |
| 22:40.37 | baz | it is a bit disappointing - hardly an advert for debian |
| 22:40.37 | caphuso | p-man: define "stopping X" |
| 22:40.41 | Rubin | p-man: if your using xdm or similar, just stop it /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 22:40.48 | redrick | dpkg: sata is <Reply> You'll need Jeff Garzik's libata patch for Serial ATA support, about which see http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . If you need that in your installer, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ on how to craft your own netinst with a homemade custom kernel. If that seems like a lot of trouble, it's price you pay for using bleeding-edge hardware. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs.") |
| 22:40.48 | dpkg | ...but sata is already something else... |
| 22:40.51 | baz | firstly it gets rooted, then the admins are unable to get it back up for months |
| 22:40.54 | redrick | Foo. |
| 22:41.00 | thomas_adam | Bar] |
| 22:41.02 | thomas_adam | BAz |
| 22:41.07 | nvz | apt: botsnack |
| 22:41.07 | | :), nvz |
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| 22:41.11 | dondelelcaro | baz: that's not the problem. The box that it is on is working fine. |
| 22:41.14 | thomas_adam | stupid keyboard |
| 22:41.16 | p-man | excellent thank you all |
| 22:41.23 | thomas_adam | p-man: pleasure. |
| 22:41.28 | redrick | Anyone remember how to tell the bot "No, really." |
| 22:41.28 | baz | dondelelcaro: what's the problem then, do we need to chip in for a new NIC? |
| 22:41.29 | p-man | coming from RH just getting used to Deb :) |
| 22:41.29 | dondelelcaro | baz: p.d.o itself is being rewritten, because the codebase is garbage. |
| 22:41.37 | plugwash | ahh |
| 22:41.37 | bizkit | i'm going to install a fresh unstable installation, should i install stable first, then dist-upgrade to unstable? (i want to use SID with 2.6.0 and latest reiserfs) |
| 22:41.45 | baz | dondelelcaro: right. and we can't have the old version back in the meantime because? |
| 22:41.52 | caphuso | redrick: /msg dpkg no, sata is <reply> ... |
| 22:41.52 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: gaim do not suprt dcc yet :( |
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| 22:42.04 | plugwash | dondelelcaro weren't we told this before |
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| 22:42.07 | nvz | p-man: hopefully you were sterilized at the door, dont need it wreaking of deadrat in here |
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| 22:42.31 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/dir |
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| 22:42.40 | doublehp_ | dondelelcaro: dcc me the file |
| 22:42.40 | p-man | nvz: thanks for the friendly welcome :) |
| 22:42.42 | doublehp_ | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 22:42.42 | streuner | redrick: you don't want to overwrite those 2 fine URL's with all the nice stuff in it, don't you? :-) |
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| 22:43.04 | baz | dondelelcaro: no answer? |
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| 22:43.25 | streuner | redrick: dpkg, foo is also blah blah |
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| 22:43.49 | redrick | streuner: Yeah, I should have. I'll add the old factoids back. |
| 22:43.52 | doublehp_ | dondelelcaro: ERROR 403: Forbidden. |
| 22:43.55 | dondelelcaro | baz: I haven't been told why the old version isn't acceptable, just that it is. |
| 22:44.03 | aarkerio | somebodie has a Nvidia Geforce 4 working properly? |
| 22:44.17 | baz | dondelelcaro: ah well, thanks for clearing the reasons up anyway |
| 22:44.18 | dondelelcaro | doublehp_: sorry, try again... |
| 22:44.21 | doublehp_ | dondelelcaro: me with an _ is running irssi you can dcc me |
| 22:44.22 | ozfrog | Hi to patch from a 2.4.21-xfs to a 2.2.24 __ do I need 2.4.22+.23+.24 and apply all? |
| 22:44.24 | plugwash | dondelelcaro any why did noone tell us this before? |
| 22:44.30 | streuner | redrick: then just: dpkg, no sata is blah blah |
| 22:44.45 | ozfrog | Hi to patch from a 2.4.21-xfs to a 2.4.24 __ do I need 2.4.22+.23+.24 and apply all? |
| 22:45.03 | dondelelcaro | plugwash: tell you what? that parts of it were being rewritten? I've mentioned it before. |
| 22:45.07 | novapunkX | Hi all.. When running sndconfig, it finds my card and then when it wants to do a test sound it says this error... /lib/modules/2.2.20/misc/via82cxxx_audio.o: init_module: Device or resource busy... |
| 22:45.24 | Rubin | ozfrog: yes |
| 22:45.30 | ozfrog | Rubin Thanks |
| 22:45.38 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: thanks info works now |
| 22:45.39 | novapunkX | Also... modconf won't install the driver for that same reason. |
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| 22:45.47 | thomas_adam | novapunkX: remove your sound daemon |
| 22:45.52 | thomas_adam | novapunkX: killall esd |
| 22:45.55 | thomas_adam | or whatever |
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| 22:46.16 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: yeah, some packages info files will be missing untill they get reinstalled, but that should help you get them installed. |
| 22:46.26 | novapunkX | thomas_adam: no process killed |
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| 22:46.46 | nvz | p-man: no problem. Welcome to #debian, lets put it on.. |
| 22:46.47 | thomas_adam | novapunkX: something must be tying it up |
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| 22:47.06 | novapunkX | thomas_adam: Is there a way to tell? |
| 22:47.13 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: doesnt matter |
| 22:47.19 | thomas_adam | novapunkX: yes |
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| 22:47.48 | mitchix | local archive update via 56K hurts.... |
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| 22:48.34 | novapunkX | thomas_adam: Well... you know how? :) |
| 22:48.46 | jamessan | anyone have an idea as to why my computer would be using it's external ip to attempt to access an nfs share on my internal network? |
| 22:49.09 | thomas_adam | novapunkX: what are you trying to do? |
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| 22:49.24 | real | hi where is the updatedb databaes held? whenever i run it hangs htere for hours i think i need to delete the db |
| 22:49.31 | angrylinuxgeek | how can I set the nice value of X using the package manager |
| 22:49.35 | filp | jamessan: routing |
| 22:49.35 | novapunkX | thomas_adam: Make my sound work... I need to install the driver, but it says it is busy. |
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| 22:49.48 | thomas_adam | novapunkX: if it is busy then it is already working... |
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| 22:49.55 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: !!! |
| 22:49.58 | ricky_clarkson | ~seen thomas_adam |
| 22:50.12 | | thomas_adam is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 213 messages. Is idling for 17s |
| 22:50.12 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 22:50.12 | cortex | How do I install debian to a new disk from inside debian? |
| 22:50.15 | novapunkX | thomas_adam: Well, the sound doesn't work in KDE or Gnome, and KDE says it has a sound server problem when it loads... |
| 22:50.16 | jamessan | filp: what about it? |
| 22:50.17 | slidesinger | ~mp3 |
| 22:50.21 | | mp3 is probably (MPEG-1 layer 3) This is a compression standard for music. It enables you to fit over 100 full length songs on a single CD with almost no loss of quality. You can find MP3 players and MP3 files on the Web--you just have to look. The music industry is unhappy about MP3 files being swapped around and has shut down some sites that distribute them. |
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| 22:50.41 | filp | jamessan: I imagine yours is messed up |
| 22:52.17 | thomas_adam | novapunkX: /msg apt audio |
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| 22:52.48 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 22:53.09 | streuner | !test |
| 22:53.09 | dpkg | No, streuner, you're not online any more. |
| 22:53.16 | slurp | how can i obtain information about the installed memory modules (DIMM)? (i'd like to know brand, timing etc.) |
| 22:53.18 | jamessan | filp: ok. any ideas on how I might fix that? |
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| 22:53.27 | angrylinuxgeek | anyone know how I can set the nice value of X using the package manager? |
| 22:53.32 | novapunkX | thomas_adam: I do that, but modconf can't load the driver |
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| 22:53.36 | caphuso | angrylinuxgeek: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 22:53.38 | eeyore- | slurp: read the label |
| 22:53.39 | z0d | hi |
| 22:53.41 | angrylinuxgeek | caphuso: thanks |
| 22:53.59 | filp | jamessan: learn about routing |
| 22:54.29 | z0d | on a box I have drwxrws--t for a directory, on another I have drwxrws--T. hat is the difference? what does 'T' stand for? |
| 22:54.42 | z0d | I have never saw 'T' before |
| 22:54.54 | caphuso | z0d: T means that you have no execute bit for other set |
| 22:55.03 | slurp | eeyore-: no ;) i want to use the info to "fingerprint" my colo-machine and notice if/when they swap hardware |
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| 22:55.23 | z0d | caphuso: thank you |
| 22:55.26 | eeyore- | z0d: "t" = x + "set" bit |
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| 22:56.01 | eeyore- | z0d: usually it means "you screw this up and it probably won't work" (for "S") |
| 22:56.29 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: i am still unable to connect to that domain |
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| 22:57.16 | eeyore- | slurp: if your ISP messes with your colocate hardware (that you own, i assume) it's time to look elsewhere |
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| 22:58.36 | gothtec | I get a single hunk error when trying to patch the orinoco drivers in my kernel so that airsnort can use them. This generates a .rej files of just a few lines. Can someone help me apply those lines manually? |
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| 22:59.22 | eratsu | does anyone know what's the name of the package for the R project on debian? |
| 22:59.34 | slurp | eeyore-: the point is i don't own it, its broken and i WANT them to change it.. they claim they have changed it but all the stuff in /proc that i looked at is still the same (incl harddrive model etc.).. so i want a better fingerprint |
| 22:59.35 | simon_c | Hi all. I've managed to get a package in a state where it will nither finish installing, or uninstall via apt-get. The package is courier-authdaemon. Trying to install it sais "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 126" trying to uninstall it produces errors about files not being there (I can past the output to #flood if anyone can help) |
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| 22:59.52 | cafuego | gothtec: Which kernel and which patch version? |
| 22:59.53 | slurp | eeyore-: yes, i _should_ be looking elsewhere, but they're by far the cheapest and i dont need it for critical stuff |
| 22:59.58 | Scognito | someone with g400 has fbset working? |
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| 23:00.48 | gothtec | cafuego: 2.4.23 sources from kernel.org and the orinoco-0.13e-dragorn-patch.diff file |
| 23:00.51 | novapunkX | Can someone help me get my sound going in KDE... It seems that my driver is busy, I donno if it is installed but sndconfig and modconfig can't install it, or use it. |
| 23:00.53 | eeyore- | slurp: the thing with RAM is ... that information is in the SPD and it's (i'm not aware) not available to you or me ... maybe to the bios yes |
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| 23:01.11 | Scognito | i have error changing resolution |
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| 23:01.15 | caphuso | gothtec: have you lately checked the topic? |
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| 23:01.44 | eeyore- | slurp: how do you *know* that the machine is broken? how did you come to that conclusion? |
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| 23:01.52 | gothtec | caphuso: what about it? |
| 23:02.07 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any good console based IP table firewall, which takecares most of the common task? |
| 23:02.09 | gothtec | caphuso: exploit? |
| 23:02.10 | slurp | eeyore-: hmm.. i remember at least lmsensors would show me some more info about my ram chips (if they support that feature i guess).. but lmsensors is a bit overkill for just getting more info about the machine ;).. do you prolly know any other stuff except /proc/*/* that i could use for a useful hardware fingerprint? |
| 23:02.17 | caphuso | gothtec: the part about the exploit, yes |
| 23:02.23 | cahoot | slurp: if you run kernel-2.6.x on it the eeprom module gives such info |
| 23:02.30 | gothtec | caphuso: this is a single user system. doesn't matter |
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| 23:02.51 | mage | I'm running 2.4.23 kernel and want to upgrade to 2.4.24, can I just take the .config from 2.4.23 and put it in 2.4.24 dir and then recompile ? |
| 23:02.57 | caphuso | gothtec: *sigh* get a clue |
| 23:03.05 | streuner | mage: yes |
| 23:03.08 | caphuso | gothtec: it has net connection, right? |
| 23:03.20 | mage | okay |
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| 23:03.28 | gothtec | caphuso: yes, but according to nmap, this computer doesn't exist.. |
| 23:03.48 | caphuso | oh no |
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| 23:03.53 | gothtec | caphuso: how are you supposed to root exploit something you cant connect to? |
| 23:03.53 | slurp | cahoot: hmm.. well, nice to know they're at least working on it.. ;) i dont think i'll upgrade my colo box to 2.6 yet, tho |
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| 23:04.06 | kggg | hello |
| 23:04.15 | gothtec | caphuso: I am not running any servers.. I dont see what could be dangerous |
| 23:04.20 | kggg | there is a 0day exploit for the newest postfix floating around |
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| 23:04.28 | caphuso | gothtec: e.g. by sending you a carfully crafted email that triggers a buffer overflow in your mail reader |
| 23:04.43 | caphuso | gothtec: same applies to anything that gets data from random places on the net |
| 23:05.09 | bizkit | i'm going to install a fresh unstable installation, should i install stable first, then dist-upgrade to unstable? (i want to use SID with 2.6.0 and latest reiserfs) |
| 23:05.13 | gothtec | caphuso: what kernel do you suggest I should run, then? |
| 23:05.14 | Jaym | need some help with pcmcia if someone has a sec. trying to find the matching mod for my kernel 2.4.28 |
| 23:05.20 | Jaym | 2.4.18 i mean |
| 23:05.22 | novapunkx | Can someone help me get my sound going in KDE... It seems that my driver is busy, I donno if it is installed but sndconfig and modconfig can't install it, or use it. |
| 23:05.37 | kggg | Does anyone care that postfix is rootable? |
| 23:05.39 | mage | novapunkx: apt-get install arts |
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| 23:05.45 | streuner | bizkit: yes, /msg dpkg di |
| 23:05.46 | kggg | i guess not |
| 23:05.53 | caphuso | gothtec: the fixed 2.4.24, of course. can't you read the damn topic yourself or is your brain all used up to store nonsense like "according to nmap, this computer doesn't exist"? |
| 23:05.55 | filp | novapunkx: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 23:05.55 | kggg | so ill just scan and root |
| 23:06.06 | kggg | then maby some people will care |
| 23:06.14 | caphuso | damnit, some people really shouldn't be allowed to come near computers |
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| 23:06.36 | kggg | caphuso: im trying to alert |
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| 23:06.41 | kggg | but no one will listen |
| 23:06.51 | kggg | no one will check their code |
| 23:07.04 | novapunkx | filp: Nothing in it I guess. |
| 23:07.16 | polok | I did apt-get dist-upgrade on about 166 packages, a few for some reason aren't in the repository. How can I upgrade the packages an upgrade has been downloaded for and ignore the ones that got 404? |
| 23:07.23 | cafuego | novapunkx: Make sure you're in the audio group, set the soundserver to start at login, use a mixer to set the volume to non-zero. |
| 23:07.36 | caphuso | polok: wait till your mirror is completely synced |
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| 23:07.51 | Jaym | I've installed 2.4.18-bf2.4 all the mods i can find need a different version of the kernel. |
| 23:08.03 | novapunkx | cafuego: Like KMix? |
| 23:08.08 | polok | caphuso: ah ok, thanks |
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| 23:08.48 | streuner | polok: or fix sources.line |
| 23:08.50 | Jaym | wheres a good source to get the correct mod? |
| 23:09.05 | kamuz | Novapunkx |
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| 23:09.23 | wa4chq | greetin's...I am the only user of this machine...using Deb 3.0 r2 and 2.4.18 kernel and can't get the printer working. Have a HP 3320 and tried setting up |
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| 23:09.32 | kamuz | you have to desabled all your sound of KDE |
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| 23:09.45 | kamuz | In KDE control |
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| 23:10.08 | novapunkx | kamuz: What will that do? |
| 23:10.14 | kamuz | and you will have a free sound target |
| 23:10.52 | wa4chq | CUPS but cant get into the site http://localhost:631.admin....keep getting the message that connection was refused? any suggestions |
| 23:11.02 | kamuz | you have to run KDE control centre |
| 23:11.17 | kamuz | and desabled all the sounds |
| 23:11.21 | novapunkx | It says I have no device in /dev/dsp |
| 23:11.24 | cafuego | wa4chq: Remove that .admin |
| 23:11.35 | cafuego | wa4chq: http://localhost:631 |
| 23:11.43 | wa4chq | cafuego: ok will try that |
| 23:11.44 | filp | how can I convert squid time sigs into regular time? Just quickly |
| 23:11.45 | cafuego | novapunkx: Time to load the driver then. |
| 23:11.51 | kamuz | do you have sound in console |
| 23:11.57 | novapunkx | cafuego: It won't let me, says it's in use :) |
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| 23:12.19 | wa4chq | cafuego: still same message |
| 23:12.24 | Jaym | wheres a good source to get the pcmcia mod for 2.4.18? |
| 23:12.31 | cafuego | wa4chq: is cupsd running? |
| 23:12.33 | kamuz | do you have snd-config |
| 23:12.48 | cafuego | novapunkx: What card is it and which driver is loaded? |
| 23:12.52 | novapunkx | Yes and yes |
| 23:12.53 | kamuz | what Linux you are using |
| 23:13.02 | squibs | what does it mean when you goto apt-get upgrade and packages have been held back? |
| 23:13.05 | Jaym | debian |
| 23:13.09 | novapunkx | cafuego: Onboard Nvidia, and I can load it with modconf |
| 23:13.10 | kamuz | what Linux are you using |
| 23:13.18 | novapunkx | Woody |
| 23:13.20 | wa4chq | cafuego: well right now, I am not using the debian in question, using another version, |
| 23:13.22 | cafuego | squibs: means they have unresolved dependencies and won't install, becuase the box would break. |
| 23:13.46 | kamuz | first you have to go a console |
| 23:13.49 | gothtec | cafuego: this it? http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/patch-2.4.24.bz2 |
| 23:13.52 | squibs | cafuego: so do you just wait? |
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| 23:13.58 | kamuz | like root |
| 23:14.13 | cafuego | gothtec: That's just a 2.4.23->2.4.24 patch |
| 23:14.13 | kamuz | and you have to play a song |
| 23:14.17 | cafuego | squibs: Yup |
| 23:14.22 | gothtec | bah |
| 23:14.53 | cafuego | squibs: You can do an update via dselect and see if that helps. (It's a bit better at that stuff than apt-get is) |
| 23:14.55 | novapunkx | cafuego: Is aiyees good or bad? |
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| 23:15.10 | cafuego | novapunkx: if they involve nvidia they're generally bad |
| 23:15.21 | squibs | cafuego - would there ever be a security concern in not updating? |
| 23:15.29 | gothtec | cafuego: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.24.tar.bz2 better? :) |
| 23:15.37 | novapunkx | cafuego: :p It is in modconf, but I can't load it I mean. |
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| 23:15.42 | cafuego | squibs: Generally security packages have proper deps |
| 23:15.50 | cafuego | novapunkx: Why not? |
| 23:16.05 | cafuego | gothtec: That's the full 2.4.24 kernel source |
| 23:16.23 | gothtec | cafuego: which I believe is what I want. thanks |
| 23:16.44 | novapunkx | cafuego: Says it's in use.. Sya hint insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameteres, including IO or IRQ... |
| 23:17.42 | novapunkx | cafuego: I have a chance to enter command-line arguments for it... But I always put nothing. |
| 23:17.43 | cafuego | novapunkx: That generally means "you don't have that device" or "the module is already loaded" |
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| 23:18.25 | Jaym | I've installed 2.4.18-bf2.4 and need the mod for pcmcia. cant seem to find one that doesnt come back with dependency errors relating to kernel version, anyone know of a good site to get the proper pcmcia module? |
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| 23:18.27 | novapunkx | cafuego: If it's already loaded, why can't I have sound and why is there no device in /dev/dsp? :) |
| 23:18.43 | cafuego | novapunkx: does 'lsmod' show it? |
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| 23:19.14 | novapunkx | cafuego: Has 'soundcore' |
| 23:19.25 | cafuego | novapunkx: But not the nvidia sound module? |
| 23:19.39 | novapunkx | cafuego: Nope |
| 23:19.47 | terr | does anyone here know if partition tables are used in a superfloppy format? and how fat12 adn fat16 are determined? |
| 23:19.53 | cafuego | novapunkx: Then I submit you don't have an nvidia on-board soundcard. |
| 23:20.03 | cafuego | novapunkx: ... or one that's not supported by the driver. |
| 23:20.18 | novapunkx | cafuego: Yes I do.... Could not be supported... |
| 23:20.19 | cafuego | novapunkx: do an 'lspci' and see what soundcard it is. |
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| 23:20.48 | novapunkx | cafuego: 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 23:20.51 | mikecc | is there a debian package for gcc to cross-compile to PPC? |
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| 23:22.09 | peterS | novapunkx: you're using the module 'via82cxxx_audio' ? |
| 23:22.26 | novapunkx | peterS: Yes. |
| 23:22.35 | novapunkx | peterS: Well, no.. Trying too. |
| 23:22.47 | peterS | novapunkx: which kernel version are you using, again? |
| 23:22.54 | cafuego | novapunkx: That's indeed not an nvidia soundcards. You don't even have an nforce mainboard, you have a KT400 or somesuch. (much better, be glad!) |
| 23:23.13 | peterS | novapunkx: because the 2.4.18 version of via82cxxx_audio should support both major versions of the chip, whereas the 2.2.20 version doesn't |
| 23:23.30 | novapunkx | peterS: Hmm, I forgot the command... But I think it's 2.2.20 |
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| 23:23.50 | cafuego | novapunkx: Using kernel 2.4.18? |
| 23:24.12 | novapunkx | cafuego: Oh... I got mixed up with my vid card :) |
| 23:24.22 | cafuego | novapunkx: Using kernel 2.4.18? |
| 23:24.29 | novapunkx | cafuego: Don't think so |
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| 23:24.38 | nnn | hey |
| 23:24.39 | cafuego | novapunkx: Which one, then? (uname -r) |
| 23:24.44 | nnn | anyone uses giftoxic? |
| 23:24.44 | Jaym | I've installed 2.4.18-bf2.4 and need the mod for pcmcia. cant seem to find one that doesnt come back with dependency errors relating to kernel version, anyone know of a good site to get the proper pcmcia module? |
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| 23:24.52 | nnn | or gift |
| 23:24.55 | terr | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=653979&group_id=3714&atid=214 |
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| 23:24.58 | novapunkx | Yeah.. 2.2.20 |
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| 23:25.05 | terr | this might help with the sound card probs |
| 23:25.19 | Unfrgiven | /quuit |
| 23:25.26 | peterS | novapunkx: that's why it doesn't recognise your chip, then. |
| 23:25.27 | cafuego | novapunkx: You'll be wanting to go to 2.4.21 or higher asap then, much better support for yuor mobo. You got an Athlon right? |
| 23:25.42 | novapunkx | Duron |
| 23:25.44 | peterS | novapunkx: like I said, the 2.2.20 via audio driver only knows about the older of the two chips. you've got the newer one |
| 23:25.55 | terr | novapunkx have a look at that url... ok? it should help you |
| 23:25.57 | cafuego | Yeah, get a new kernel and watch it magically all work. |
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| 23:26.12 | novapunkx | terr: Thanks.. I will |
| 23:26.23 | cafuego | novapunkx: 2.4.21 and higher recognise and can use the AGP bus as well. |
| 23:26.25 | novapunkx | cafuego: Yeah, k. |
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| 23:26.41 | novapunkx | cafuego: This will be nice ;) |
| 23:26.47 | cafuego | novapunkx: They all have root bugs though, so go with 2.4.24 ;-) |
| 23:27.00 | cafuego | Ever compiled your own kernel? |
| 23:27.19 | Rubin | is there a kernel-source package for the new 2.4.24 kernel yet? (for stable) |
| 23:27.31 | caphuso | Rubin: yes |
| 23:27.43 | pmitros | Dumb question. Why doesn't the static content on packages.debian.org point to something like http://www.tuxfinder.com/debian/? |
| 23:27.44 | Rubin | is it patched into .23 or am I just not seeing it? |
| 23:27.46 | cafuego | Rubin: Just use a kernel.org tarball. |
| 23:27.50 | Rubin | oh |
| 23:27.54 | pmitros | (Which is another Debian package search) |
| 23:28.11 | Rubin | pmitros: hmm didnt know that was there |
| 23:28.16 | novapunkx | cafuego: No :) |
| 23:28.25 | novapunkx | cafuego: Will I have to? |
| 23:28.29 | cafuego | novapunkx: Eep :-) |
| 23:28.36 | pmitros | rubin: Very useful with packages down. |
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| 23:28.42 | cafuego | novapunkx: Then I suggest the 2.4.23 package from Sarge (testing) |
| 23:28.47 | cafuego | novapunkx: Let me have a quick look |
| 23:28.48 | Rubin | pmitros: yeah. i've been goin out of my mind |
| 23:28.51 | caphuso | Rubin: ah, damn, i'm (of course) wrong. stable doesn't have anything newer than 2.4.18 (which has the fix) |
| 23:28.52 | Jaym | any one availible to answer a basic question? |
| 23:29.15 | pmitros | rubin: A lot of us have. Very few of us know about alternative package searches. It'd be slick if packages linked to them. |
| 23:29.25 | Rubin | caphuso: any idea which rev of it has the fix? |
| 23:29.31 | terr | jaym you might have better luck if you ask the question rather than asking if its ok to ask the question |
| 23:29.33 | Rubin | pmitros: yeah. wonder who maintains that temp page |
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| 23:29.56 | caphuso | Rubin: the one that's in the DSA |
| 23:30.01 | Jaym | I've installed 2.4.18-bf2.4 and need the mod for pcmcia. cant seem to find one that doesnt come back with dependency errors relating to kernel version, anyone know of a good site to get the proper pcmcia module? |
| 23:30.04 | polok | whenever I run apt-get dist-upgrade it now comes up showing me what it needs to install ymessenger.deb |
| 23:30.11 | mitchix | on the packages page?? ok we don't know when it will beup... but why did it go down/offline??? |
| 23:30.14 | polok | how can I stop it from doing this? |
| 23:30.21 | pmitros | rubin: That's what I'd like to know. |
| 23:30.23 | Jaym | lol I have asked about 5 times now... tiz ok I'll wait. just nice to know someone has seen it. *smile* |
| 23:30.27 | cafuego | novapunkx: Fetch this one: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.23-i386/kernel-headers-2.4.23-1-k7_2.4.23-1_i386.deb |
| 23:30.38 | cafuego | novapunkx: Actually, don't fetch that one. |
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| 23:30.44 | novapunkx | K... |
| 23:30.45 | Croepha | hello |
| 23:31.00 | Jaym | the deal is I dled and installed 5woody6 |
| 23:31.00 | cafuego | novapunkx: But this one: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.23-i386/kernel-image-2.4-k7_2.4.23-1_i386.deb |
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| 23:31.11 | sgeigerbot | zlate: try this: As root, create a blank file at /etc/init.d/apache so that the package management system has something to remove when it tries to remove apache. |
| 23:31.20 | Jaym | and now i cant find a pcmcia package that works with now dependancy errors on install |
| 23:31.37 | Jaym | my pcmcia slots had power with 2.2 but now nothing |
| 23:31.54 | cafuego | novapunkx: Now that kernel will have an initrd image which will need to be added to lilo.conf before you can boot it. |
| 23:32.10 | novapunkx | cafuego: Eh? |
| 23:32.10 | cafuego | novapunkx: When you install it, there will be a message, read it, do what it says. |
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| 23:32.22 | cafuego | !cricket sgeigerbot |
| 23:32.27 | Jaym | I just want my wireless lan to work. lol |
| 23:32.31 | novapunkx | cafuego: Easy enough |
| 23:32.38 | cafuego | novapunkx: *nod* |
| 23:32.41 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.41 | peterS | cafuego: heh, just a single run. I think I like that factoid |
| 23:32.59 | cafuego | novapunkx: You'd be amazed how many people are unable to follow a simple instruction ;-) |
| 23:33.03 | polok | never mind, I figured out a way to get around it (use -f) |
| 23:33.04 | zlate | sgeigerbot: i got apache running now, it was my httpd.conf that was something wrong with |
| 23:33.04 | cafuego | !cricket peterS |
| 23:33.15 | novapunkx | cafuego: Doesn't surprise me... |
| 23:33.21 | cafuego | novapunkx: <heh> |
| 23:33.22 | Scognito | is possible to use 2.6 and mplayer with mga_vid? |
| 23:33.23 | Jaym | sp any ideas? |
| 23:33.26 | Jaym | so even |
| 23:33.30 | paulswm | cafuego: no baseball bats? |
| 23:33.31 | sgeigerbot | zlate: congrats. |
| 23:33.32 | peterS | whatever happened to getting a 6? bad PRNG, or no alternatives? |
| 23:33.34 | novapunkx | cafuego: I got some dependency problems... |
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| 23:33.50 | cafuego | Scognito: mga_vid doesn't compile on 2.6 (not last time I tried anyway) |
| 23:33.51 | sgeigerbot | bob2: bob2! |
| 23:33.56 | cafuego | novapunkx: Which ones? |
| 23:34.08 | cafuego | peterS: bad PRNG |
| 23:34.10 | Scognito | cafuego, do you have g400? |
| 23:34.12 | cafuego | peterS: .. or karma. |
| 23:34.16 | cafuego | Scognito: G450 |
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| 23:34.37 | bjay | does any know if you can create an email account in qmail without creating a user account like in sendmail? |
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| 23:35.00 | novapunkx | cafuego: Hmm, it doesn't say... Just says there is problems and it can't install.. I am using kpackage. |
| 23:35.01 | peterS | paulswm: you really think a command called 'cricket' would refer to a baseball bat? |
| 23:35.02 | shadowcat | bjay if you use vpop |
| 23:35.04 | Scognito | cafuego, ok.. i applied a patch that revert the 2.4 fb in the 2.6 |
| 23:35.14 | Scognito | i don't like this situation |
| 23:35.15 | cafuego | novapunkx: Use 'dpkg -i' |
| 23:35.24 | shadowcat | I think thats what its called anyways |
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| 23:35.28 | novapunkx | cafuego: Yep.. Will do |
| 23:35.33 | bjay | what is vpop? |
| 23:35.34 | paulswm | peterS: did I say that? I was just wondering if dpkg also had a baseball bat |
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| 23:36.02 | cafuego | paulswm: baseball is for incompetents, we play cricket here. |
| 23:36.03 | paulswm | peterS: but he's ignoring me anyway |
| 23:36.04 | shadowcat | basically lets you have virtual mail hosts |
| 23:36.05 | Scognito | cafuego, have you used xrandr or know womeone that uses it? |
| 23:36.11 | cafuego | Scognito: Nope |
| 23:36.18 | bjay | and how did you make your name hightlighted? irc question. |
| 23:36.22 | peterS | paulswm: there is always 'cluebat' |
| 23:36.30 | bltfast32 | I'm trying to compile the at76c503 wireless driver and I can't remember which kernel* pkgs I need installed to compile it |
| 23:36.32 | cafuego | Yay! 2.4.24 failed to compile! |
| 23:36.35 | Scognito | i would like to rotate my desktop, and i never see a person that uses xrandr |
| 23:36.38 | Rubin | bjay: prolly just coz YOUR name was in it (your client did it) |
| 23:36.43 | bltfast32 | I've done it before but I can't seem to get it to work this time |
| 23:36.44 | paulswm | cafuego: cricket is the most deadly boring game on the planet, baseball comes in a close second |
| 23:37.01 | shadowcat | bjay: rubin is correct, it depends on your client |
| 23:37.07 | bjay | Rubin, ok thanks. |
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| 23:37.19 | cafuego | paulswm: You forgot #1, golf, #2 tennis #3 bridge |
| 23:37.22 | novapunkx | cafuego: kernel-image-2.4-k7 depends on kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7 |
| 23:37.40 | cafuego | paulswm: See, when you go to a cricket match you've an excellent excuse for drinking beer all day. |
| 23:37.45 | polok | bjay: in channels with large amounts of people affixing the name of the person you're talking to makes communication much easier |
| 23:37.59 | paulswm | cafuego: lol - they show fishing on TV here, that is even more boring than golf |
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| 23:38.24 | bjay | shadowcat I am setting up an email server what do you suggest qmail or sendmail? sendmail is already installed. |
| 23:38.44 | cafuego | novapunkx: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.23-i386/kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7_2.4.23-1_i386.deb |
| 23:38.45 | shadowcat | I can't stand sendmail personally |
| 23:38.53 | paulswm | cafuego: baseball the same: hot dogs and beer. Went to a Dodgers - NY Mets game in Anaheim, CA a few years back and don't remember much after the first couple of hours |
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| 23:39.04 | shadowcat | so I'd go one of the alternates, exim, postfix, qmail |
| 23:39.37 | bjay | shadowcat: well then exim or qmail? who wins your vote? |
| 23:39.48 | shadowcat | between the two qmail |
| 23:39.57 | cafuego | bjay: postfix of course. |
| 23:39.58 | shadowcat | not a fan of postfix? |
| 23:40.05 | shadowcat | thats what I was going to say |
| 23:40.14 | vagrant_ | anyone know where to get some current debian-installer cdrom images (since gluck is down)? |
| 23:40.36 | CL | I need to get the latest kernel source using apt-get but I'm not able to find an entry for my sources.list file in which to find the sources |
| 23:40.36 | bjay | It looks like qmail already has stuff like pop3 and such, so I think that qmail it will be, thanks. |
| 23:40.48 | shadowcat | bjay: if you really want a good one, go postfix |
| 23:40.54 | novapunkx | cafuego: Ouch, 11 megs on a 56k.. Well.. When that is done downloading, you want me to do that one first right? |
| 23:40.57 | shadowcat | bjay: but if you must do exim or qmail, go qmail |
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| 23:41.34 | bjay | shadowcat: I haven't heard anything about postfix. Why is it so good? |
| 23:41.40 | polok | novapunkx: 11MB on a 56K modem isn't that bad |
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| 23:42.10 | shadowcat | bjay: basically the security of qmail (uses different daemons for different tasks) while still being entirely open and much more versatile |
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| 23:42.13 | novapunkx | polok: 45 mins |
| 23:42.21 | gnd | hi |
| 23:42.22 | shadowcat | bjay, its also very easy to setup in my opinion |
| 23:42.32 | polok | novapunkx: that's not awfully long |
| 23:42.40 | aarkerio | how can I shutdown an eth0 interface? |
| 23:42.45 | petemc | shadowcat: exim > qmail |
| 23:42.54 | novapunkx | polok: No, just saying it won't be done in 5 mins :p |
| 23:43.00 | awoo | hello everone! - I'm trying to load tvtime, but i always get an error Xlib: extension "XVideo" missing on display ... does anyone know how i might remedy this? thanks! |
| 23:43.02 | petemc | djb is a nut |
| 23:43.06 | shadowcat | I agree... |
| 23:43.10 | shadowcat | I go to uic too :-) |
| 23:43.18 | shadowcat | he's a professor there apparently... |
| 23:43.20 | cafuego | novapunkx: When that downloads, install that one and see how it goes. |
| 23:43.25 | ljlane | aarkerio, try ifdown eth0 |
| 23:43.34 | polok | novapunkx: ah ok, normally when I have large downloads I leave them and go do something else |
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| 23:43.53 | novapunkx | cafuego: Just that one? |
| 23:43.57 | Justin_ | heh |
| 23:44.10 | gnd | I did a apt-get dist-upgrade today and k3b got upgraded to 0.10.3. But now it doesn't recognize wav files anymore, I can't burn audio cds. anyone else got that error? the error is: "Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format" |
| 23:44.14 | cafuego | novapunkx: See if it complains about dependencies. |
| 23:44.20 | Justin_ | Fetched 57.6MB in 59s (965kB/s) :-D |
| 23:44.26 | bjay | shadowcat: What about adding email accounts, Are they also user accounts? I need the server to be able to add new email accounts easily. |
| 23:44.50 | cafuego | Justin_: That's a bit slow, I get 2M |
| 23:44.56 | zu22 | ~seen dondelelcaro |
| 23:45.07 | | dondelelcaro is currently on #debian-bots (17h 56m 6s) #debian (17h 56m 6s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 58m 51s |
| 23:45.07 | Justin_ | cafuego: i'm only on a 10M switch |
| 23:45.07 | snoke | i get kernel panic when i press pause/break key in keyboard (2.4.22), any idea why ? |
| 23:45.10 | gothtec | cafuego: that didn't change anything, I'm afraid |
| 23:45.20 | gothtec | cafuego: one of the hunks still fail while patching |
| 23:45.20 | gp | anyone know if it's possible to define multiple destination's for a iptables -j REDIRECT rule? |
| 23:45.27 | gothtec | cafuego: on 2.4.24 this time |
| 23:45.33 | Justin_ | cafuego: if I do that from a machine on the 100mbit subnet here I get like 5 ;) |
| 23:45.46 | cafuego | gothtec: The other 13e patch should apply fine. |
| 23:45.47 | shadowcat | bjay: the only email server like that I've set up is one with qmail and vpop |
| 23:45.49 | gp | for example, iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d ! 192.168.1.100 --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 3128 |
| 23:46.01 | cafuego | Justin_: 8 here |
| 23:46.01 | gothtec | cafuego: I'll give that one a shot |
| 23:46.01 | awoo | also - lsmod shows a remarkable number of modules that are loaded but show as 'unused' is ther eany way i can clean this up? |
| 23:46.03 | gp | and i might also want to -d ! 192.168.1.101 |
| 23:46.04 | shadowcat | bjay, I'm sure there are ways to do it with any mta |
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| 23:46.41 | gp | because I dont want to redirect for those machines |
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| 23:46.47 | shadowcat | I'm not a mail server expert :-) I just have tried em all out |
| 23:46.48 | cortex | when I try to format a partition to fat32 with mkfs.msdos -F 32 /dev/hdb1 i get "mkfs.msdos: unable to allocate space for FAT image in memory" |
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| 23:47.18 | cafuego | bjay: You cna set up postfix+courier|cyrus+ldap|mysql to handle mail so you need no system accounts at all. |
| 23:47.20 | bjay | shadowcat, thanks for your help, and everyone else who has helped. enjoy! |
| 23:47.39 | shadowcat | ldap rules |
| 23:47.46 | shadowcat | I'd probably go the ldap method myself... |
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| 23:48.15 | cafuego | bjay: /me uses mysql |
| 23:48.21 | cafuego | I alsu ise it for vftp auth |
| 23:48.24 | cafuego | all works fine |
| 23:48.35 | shadowcat | vftp works with ldap too though I'm sure right? |
| 23:48.59 | cafuego | Yeah, but I also store logs in sql and I bet that's a bit faster then doing that via ldsp. |
| 23:49.12 | shadowcat | haha, yeah your probably right about that |
| 23:49.22 | cafuego | shadowcat: It all works via pam_mysql here so you could use pam_ldap instead |
| 23:49.45 | shadowcat | so then unix and samba logins could also be mysql correct? |
| 23:49.49 | Nurbs | LDAP is mainly meant for read access and only somewhat (hierarchically and type-wise) structured data |
| 23:49.49 | shadowcat | since they are also pam based |
| 23:49.51 | gothtec | cafuego: that worked just fine. thanks. btw.. will copying my 2.4.23 config file to 2.4.24 work fine? |
| 23:49.56 | cafuego | shadowcat: yes |
| 23:49.59 | gothtec | cafuego: err.. too many "work" |
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| 23:50.23 | Nurbs | shadowcat: everything in nsswitch can be ldap based I think |
| 23:50.28 | cafuego | gothtec: cp /boot/confog-2.4.23 linux-2.4.24/.config |
| 23:50.34 | cafuego | gothtec: cd linux-2.4.24; make oldconfig |
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| 23:50.47 | shadowcat | right, I did that before |
| 23:50.48 | gothtec | cafuego: ah. nice |
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| 23:52.32 | raldi | when i'm trying to build a kernel, and i run "make dep", i get messages like "acsi.c:74:25: asm/atarihw.h: No such file or directory" .. sure enough, the files in my /usr/include/asm and /usr/include/linux are old, despite my having used dselect to install kernel-source-2.4.22 |
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| 23:52.58 | bztunk | raldi: kernel-source doesn't extart in /usr/include |
| 23:53.02 | cafuego | raldi: You'll note those are not errors but warnings. |
| 23:53.06 | blooe | is there any way of finding out what the version of php is in testing and unstable? I didn't see any options to that effect in the apt-cache man pages. |
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| 23:53.17 | Justin_ | raldi: why are you building 2.4.22 |
| 23:53.26 | raldi | caf: well, make returns 0, so it seems it doesn't consider them fatal |
| 23:53.26 | cafuego | !info php4 sid |
| 23:53.30 | dpkg | php4: (A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 760 kB, Installed size: 1716 kB |
| 23:53.32 | cafuego | !info php4 sarge |
| 23:53.45 | dpkg | php4: (A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.2-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 568 kB, Installed size: 1440 kB |
| 23:53.47 | blooe | cafuego: thanks :) |
| 23:53.47 | cafuego | raldi: Indeed, just ignore 'em. |
| 23:53.54 | raldi | justin: that's the latest package i can find |
| 23:54.08 | Justin_ | raldi: www.kernel.org |
| 23:54.20 | raldi | caf: but then when i install and reboot, depmod prints all sorts of unresolved symbols in my modules |
| 23:54.50 | raldi | justin: yeah, i have the same problem with 2.4.24 from kernel.org, so i'm trying to get a debian-provided kernel working first |
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| 23:55.51 | cafuego | raldi: That's because of an old modutils then. |
| 23:55.51 | raldi | bztunk: extart? |
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| 23:56.39 | raldi | cafuego: i've got the latest modutils on dselect testing -- 2.4.25-3 |
| 23:57.33 | raldi | is my modutils version supposed to be the same as my kernel-source version? |
| 23:57.40 | cafuego | raldi: no |
| 23:58.27 | marcot | Do you know a good free game for girls with 9 and 11 years old? |
| 23:58.45 | shadowcat | frozen-bubble? |
| 23:59.06 | polok | marcot: I don't know a good pay game for girls 9 and 11 years old >_< |
| 23:59.26 | marcot | polok: what game? |
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