| 00:00.35 | Sytone | othe than resolve.conf and interfaces what else should i check |
| 00:00.41 | initech | Sytone: so, you can "dig foo" and get an ip address, but cannot, for e.g., ping that by name?!? |
| 00:00.49 | Sytone | yes |
| 00:00.55 | Sytone | thats it exactly |
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| 00:01.15 | initech | Sytone: you must have some app interfering then, has to be |
| 00:01.28 | trans_err | Sytone: what about something like web browsing? |
| 00:01.33 | Sytone | i have checked and there is no ipchains or tables installed that i can find |
| 00:01.44 | PapyRene | What is the concept 'samba'? In short: how to connect my linux system with samba on our windows server so I can manage the files on the server? |
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| 00:01.47 | Covener | Sytone: how about using host and both specifying and not specifying a server? |
| 00:02.02 | Sytone | I am tring lynx and it just sits there looking up address |
| 00:02.09 | trans_err | PapyRene: /msg apt samba |
| 00:02.16 | zinx | Sytone: so, you're saying you can ``ping 203.178.141.194'', but you can't ``ping www.kame.net'', and you can ``host www.kame.net''? |
| 00:02.25 | initech | Sytone: well, to rule out everything stupid, you could "init 1", amke sure the networks started, and try from there |
| 00:02.29 | Sytone | other than iptables or chains what else is there that could be affecting my connection off a clean install |
| 00:02.34 | zinx | Sytone: (try it, pleas) |
| 00:02.38 | zinx | e |
| 00:02.44 | Sytone | zinx: yes |
| 00:02.52 | zinx | that was a very quick test |
| 00:03.09 | zinx | i expected at least 5 seconds |
| 00:03.13 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:03.34 | Sytone | kame is a alia for orange.kame.net |
| 00:03.53 | zinx | and does it say what orange.kame.net is? |
| 00:03.54 | Sytone | ip pinged. and the domain ping just errored with uinknown host |
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| 00:04.11 | Sytone | it has a address of 203.178.141.194 |
| 00:04.20 | zinx | i think your DNS server has UDP disabled |
| 00:04.27 | zinx | try a sane one |
| 00:04.32 | initech | zinx: easy to find out |
| 00:04.42 | Covener | zinx: didn't he say host worked? |
| 00:04.50 | Sytone | host works |
| 00:04.56 | zinx | Covener: host and nslookup both use TCP |
| 00:04.59 | initech | zinx: that would be utterly insane tho |
| 00:05.10 | Covener | Sytone: grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 00:05.20 | zinx | Covener: that is the ENTIRE reason i think it's UDP being disabled on the DNS server |
| 00:05.22 | zinx | initech: i agree, but it's also the only thing that makes sense |
| 00:05.24 | Sytone | gone init 1 |
| 00:05.36 | initech | zinx: he should use dig |
| 00:05.36 | zinx | Sytone: choose a different name server |
| 00:05.42 | zinx | init: dig uses TCP too |
| 00:05.42 | Sytone | same issue |
| 00:05.48 | initech | zinx: no it does not |
| 00:06.04 | Sytone | anyone got a name server at hand? |
| 00:06.14 | initech | Sytone: not public, sorry |
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| 00:06.22 | zinx | hmm, so it doesn't |
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| 00:06.28 | Covener | zinx: I just fired off a host and it seems like it's using udp by default |
| 00:06.33 | trans_err | aaah gnome keeps crashing all around me... nautilis keeps blinking in and out and so does my pannels in gnome.... |
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| 00:06.51 | initech | every name resolution tool should use udp by default |
| 00:06.51 | trans_err | most of my apps keep dropping tooo |
| 00:06.52 | zinx | Sytone: What does ``dig A orange.kame.net | grep 203'' say? |
| 00:06.58 | zinx | initech: i agree |
| 00:07.03 | trans_err | holy jesusums |
| 00:07.24 | initech | "jesusums"? is that like a holy md5sum? |
| 00:07.25 | zinx | Covener: then that makes no sense :/ |
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| 00:07.43 | Sytone | orange.kame.net. 86400 In A 203.178.141.194 |
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| 00:07.59 | Covener | zinx: host skips resolv.conf though, so I'd put that under more scrutiny? maybe ^M? |
| 00:08.06 | zinx | Covener: heh :) |
| 00:08.22 | Covener | zinx: iirc i've seen a \0 sneak into some of my lines (not the control charcater but the 2 characters next to eachother!) |
| 00:08.33 | Tize | All: I'm having a little prob on my Sarge system: On graphical login I see no text (missing font?) also: programs like bbconf/guarddog (i run blackbox) show the same symptoms |
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| 00:08.48 | rsd | hi |
| 00:08.52 | Sytone | suggestions? |
| 00:08.55 | zinx | Sytone: care to ``tcpdump -p udp'' and see what it reports when you ping something? |
| 00:09.12 | rsd | anyone know why terminal apps don't want to read .Xdefaults? I have entries like "xterm*background: black" but it never gets evaluated. any ideas? |
| 00:10.06 | initech | zinx: should include icmp as well, for port-unreachable for e.g. |
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| 00:10.20 | zinx | initech: well, it shouldn't matter if it's saying 'Unknown host' |
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| 00:10.57 | Sytone | one sec. going multi |
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| 00:11.25 | Jv | crel.com.br |
| 00:11.36 | rsd | 2D~tell trans_err about root |
| 00:11.40 | rsd | ~tell trans_err about root |
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| 00:11.50 | deadcat | can i get a root root? |
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| 00:12.27 | bsims | hey my virtual consoles are frelled on Debian ie show part of boot message how to clear them? |
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| 00:12.56 | trans_err | this is rediculous i can't go more than 15 minutes w/o X or gnome crashing |
| 00:13.03 | zinx | bsims: ctrl-l usually works, or you could stop using the framebuffer console |
| 00:13.30 | trans_err | could it really be the nvidia binaries? i've always used them and have never had so many problems |
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| 00:13.57 | zinx | bsims: there's some /proc entry to turn off the boot logo lines too i think |
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| 00:14.19 | bsims | zinx: still nothing, I'd get a screenshot but can't from the CL. |
| 00:14.23 | trans_err | anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:14.33 | zinx | bsims: sure you can |
| 00:14.36 | charolastra | hi |
| 00:14.46 | bsims | zinx: its ok right after I boot some wierdness with cron? |
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| 00:15.00 | bsims | zinx: how? |
| 00:15.03 | zinx | bsims: fbgrab |
| 00:15.35 | KallDrexx | Hi guys, I'm having a hell of a problem adding my own entries into fluxbox's menu because my changes are alwasy getting erased by debian's update-menu. Is there any way I can make my additions/changes without them being erased while update-menu still adds/removes packages I apt-get? |
| 00:15.43 | charolastra | is there some kinde of standard issue where one would get a kernel panic with "no init found" when trying a new kernel at bootup? |
| 00:15.45 | under | hi! I'm trying to install a Conexant HSF 56k HSFi Modem, someone can help me with this? |
| 00:15.46 | zinx | other things to try are 'reset', or finding the proc file |
| 00:15.47 | trans_err | i have a completely standard system and i don't understand why when i put the system under any load it bails |
| 00:16.08 | Sytone | zinx: ping www.sony.com gives time myipaddress.32774 > gatewayaddress.domain: 47846+ PTR? ExternalIPofRouter.in-addr.arpa. (45) (DF) |
| 00:16.20 | Justin_ | trans_err: check the X log? |
| 00:17.00 | trans_err | Justin_: no errors :C |
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| 00:17.04 | zinx | Sytone: you're asking for the PTR? |
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| 00:17.09 | zinx | Sytone: sure it's not the other way around? |
| 00:17.09 | Justin_ | trans_err: what does it say? |
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| 00:17.19 | bsims | how do I disable the framebuffer virtual consoles? |
| 00:17.29 | Sytone | hold on |
| 00:17.33 | trans_err | Justin_: some stuff about loading GLX and such |
| 00:17.36 | zig | what do you think of grsec (gradm and kernel-patch-2.4-grsecurity) |
| 00:17.41 | Sytone | in the oput put it looks like it is returning th eIP |
| 00:17.54 | Justin_ | trans_err: at the end? |
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| 00:18.07 | zinx | bsims: don't put vga=, or don't compile the framebuffer in |
| 00:18.20 | trans_err | Jstin_: yup |
| 00:18.29 | bsims | zinx: hrm this is just using canned kernels |
| 00:18.32 | trans_err | Justin_: yup |
| 00:18.35 | bsims | lemme did |
| 00:18.37 | bsims | er dig |
| 00:18.38 | Justin_ | trans_err: does it crash using the nv driver? |
| 00:18.51 | trans_err | Justin_: I'm going to try that next |
| 00:19.09 | Tize | All: I'm having a little prob on my Sarge system: On graphical login I see no text (missing font?) also: programs like bbconf/guarddog (i run blackbox) show the same symptoms |
| 00:19.26 | Sytone | ok from tcpdump it looks like the data is being returned.. butping is not getting it |
| 00:19.29 | modus | hey all -- i have a question re: 3-button mouse support w/scroll wheel -- i have never had a problem with it before! On my mandrake system at home, it auto-detects. On my debian-ppc system in the office, i got it to work. Now I'm trying to replace a 2-button PS/2 mouse with a 3-button one, and I've gotten nowhere in three hours. |
| 00:19.42 | zinx | Sytone: can you paste the exact message ping is giving? |
| 00:19.59 | Sytone | ping: unknown host www.sony.com |
| 00:19.59 | modus | I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-svga |
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| 00:20.16 | Justin_ | modus: why are you using xserver-svga? |
| 00:20.30 | CAiRO | wow, 70 packages upgraded |
| 00:20.43 | modus | Justin_: uh-oh, should i change my xserver? |
| 00:20.44 | zinx | Sytone: which server does dig ask for the IP, and which does ping ask for the IP? |
| 00:20.44 | zinx | Sytone: also, which server replies in each case :) |
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| 00:20.56 | Justin_ | modus: yes |
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| 00:21.11 | trans_err | i found some stuff in my DMESG... lots of OUT-OF-MEMORY complaints |
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| 00:21.21 | trans_err | sorry caps... |
| 00:21.22 | Justin_ | trans_err: there you go then |
| 00:21.35 | Justin_ | trans_err: what did it kill? |
| 00:21.41 | modus | Justin_: i should change xserver-svga to ... ? |
| 00:21.41 | trans_err | Justin_: why is the system bailing when it's out of memory... |
| 00:21.45 | ircdevil | could someone explain me the -k switch in sort. i dont understand the man page |
| 00:21.47 | trans_err | nautilus and gnome panel |
| 00:21.53 | Justin_ | modus: xserver-xfree86 |
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| 00:22.06 | modus | Justin_: danke |
| 00:22.08 | Justin_ | trans_err: does it happen if you use a normal window manager and not gnome? |
| 00:22.16 | CAiRO | hmm, dpkg asks me to change the shell of nobody from /bin/false to /bin/sh, what's that good for? |
| 00:22.16 | ircdevil | what does e.g. sort -k 1,1 -k 1,1n some_file do ? |
| 00:22.19 | Sytone | hummm tcpdump is not listing anythoing for the DIG |
| 00:22.20 | trans_err | Justin_: not really sure |
| 00:22.28 | nictuku | the apt bot didnt help, where can i find the wx-config file? i know it is wxwin, but i need to know which package. aauto-aptt is taking ages to get the files list.. |
| 00:22.41 | zinx | Sytone: then it's probably asking via TCP |
| 00:22.43 | Justin_ | ircdevil: sorts the file |
| 00:22.44 | ircdevil | hm, that should prolly be 2,2n |
| 00:22.50 | ircdevil | Justin_ really? |
| 00:22.54 | Justin_ | ircdevil: yes! :-) |
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| 00:23.31 | Sytone | i have just run tcpdump with out fileter and all is showing is my router trying to RIP |
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| 00:23.48 | ircdevil | Justin_ how? |
| 00:23.59 | Sytone | hold on |
| 00:24.02 | ircdevil | Justin_ sort -k 1,1 -k 2,2n some_file |
| 00:24.05 | zinx | Sytone: try using 209.244.0.3 in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:24.12 | DjStatik | Just a quicky, does anyone know how to make an ATX power sup turn on automatically when a system gets power, i.e. with AT power supplies when you power cycled a box it came back on automatically, not so with ATX. |
| 00:24.17 | bsims | zinx: we'll see if that helped, comented out the vga= line and rebooted |
| 00:24.18 | zinx | Sytone: oh? |
| 00:24.24 | Justin_ | ircdevil: ummmm i think by the first column then by the second column numerically |
| 00:24.27 | Justin_ | or something, try it and see |
| 00:24.30 | Sytone | ok it has the same reply as the ping... |
| 00:24.35 | zinx | Sytone: even without the '-p udp', it's not showing anything? |
| 00:24.43 | zinx | Sytone: same server and everything? |
| 00:24.51 | Sytone | yep |
| 00:25.10 | Sytone | ok |
| 00:25.11 | zinx | *shrug* |
| 00:25.19 | Sytone | that IP works for DNS |
| 00:25.23 | zinx | oh? |
| 00:25.24 | Sytone | wahoooooo |
| 00:25.25 | ircdevil | Justen_ so the 1,1 referres to what? first column on one line and first column on another line ? |
| 00:25.29 | zinx | then it -is- a stupid DNS server |
| 00:25.35 | Justin_ | ircdevil: man sort... |
| 00:25.43 | Sytone | now that was weird... |
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| 00:25.47 | zinx | make the DNS server allow UDP requests, if it's yours.. |
| 00:25.48 | ircdevil | Justin_ <ircdevil> could someone explain me the -k switch in sort. i dont understand the man page |
| 00:25.48 | Sytone | thanks for your help... |
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| 00:25.55 | Justin_ | he |
| 00:25.56 | Sytone | Ill let them know. |
| 00:25.58 | zinx | if not, just find more servers that allow them :/ |
| 00:26.03 | Sytone | :) |
| 00:26.07 | zinx | it's completely insane to not allow UDP requests |
| 00:26.16 | Justin_ | ircdevil: info sort :-) |
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| 00:26.40 | Sytone | working like a dream now |
| 00:26.43 | Justin_ | ircdevil: theres more in there |
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| 00:26.59 | Justin_ | which explains everything |
| 00:27.08 | EMH_Mark3 | well.. getting closer but modem still isn't working :/ |
| 00:27.11 | mutek_ | ircdevil: isn't it which line to start and end sorting at? |
| 00:27.16 | trans__err | Justin_: back in X.... why would my computer get to a point where it's out of memory... i thought linux was supposed to handle things like that |
| 00:27.19 | DjStatik | Oh, don't mind me, brain isn't working this morning, wake on lan is probably what I'm after. |
| 00:27.20 | CAiRO | i'm just upgrading and dpkg asks me to change the shell of nobody from /bin/false to /bin/sh, what's that good for? doesn't that introduce a new security problem? |
| 00:27.32 | EMH_Mark3 | cafuego: I got modem to dial, makes normal modem noises, but then it doesn't connect.. |
| 00:27.32 | credativ_ | alquien que hable espanol |
| 00:27.42 | Justin_ | trans__err: it cant create more memory if gnome is doing something stupid |
| 00:27.55 | ircdevil | mutek_ i dont know |
| 00:28.17 | Tize | All: I'm having a little prob on my Sarge system: On graphical login I see no text (missing font?) also: programs like bbconf/guarddog (i run blackbox) show the same symptoms |
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| 00:28.24 | Tize | help me :( :) |
| 00:28.24 | mutek_ | ircdevil: beginning to see your problem - man page is not clear. |
| 00:28.25 | Justin_ | ircdevil: heh, the info page on sort is about 50% on how to use -k |
| 00:28.34 | trans__err | Justin_: so i should blame gnome and move on? i get the same problem when doing the same memory intensive task (creating a knoppix disk) in a virtual terminal as well though |
| 00:28.42 | ircdevil | mutek_ *phew* its not only me! |
| 00:28.47 | Justin_ | trans__err: well create_compressed_fs sucks |
| 00:28.49 | Freakz | cafuego: vanilla works for scsi. compact didn't. |
| 00:28.59 | ircdevil | Justin_ installing, reading ... |
| 00:28.59 | trans__err | Justin_: i agree :D |
| 00:28.59 | Justin_ | i had fixed it a while agom and someone else did too, but I dont think it every got merged in |
| 00:29.16 | Kawfee | Justin_, simonrvn let you back in? |
| 00:29.18 | mutek_ | ircdevil: ah - I /think/ it means which character in a line to start sorting from, ie., ignore 1st, 2nd 3rd chars, or even fields if you want |
| 00:29.21 | Justin_ | create_compressed_fs puts the whole cd im memory, so you need 700M of ram+swap |
| 00:29.23 | trans__err | Justin_: have a copy of the build? |
| 00:29.31 | trans__err | Justin_: yuck |
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| 00:29.35 | Justin_ | trans__err: bouncybouncy.net/~justin/code |
| 00:29.39 | mutek_ | ircdevil: eg., you could have files with name, date and age, and sort on 2nd field, age, say. |
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| 00:29.45 | Justin_ | its in there somewhere, who knows if it even still works:-) |
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| 00:29.50 | mutek_ | ircdevil: that's my bet, anyway... |
| 00:30.17 | trans__err | Justin_: so the problem lays in my lack of ram + bad code...? |
| 00:30.26 | Justin_ | trans__err: how much ram do you have? |
| 00:30.30 | ChrisW | urm, sorry to be a muppet, but how do I change the root password of a debian box if I'm logged in as room? |
| 00:30.34 | ChrisW | root, even... |
| 00:30.43 | mutek_ | ChrisW: passwd |
| 00:31.28 | trans__err | Justin_: 256 |
| 00:31.31 | Justin_ | trans__err: swap? |
| 00:31.39 | trans__err | Justin_: 512 |
| 00:31.52 | Tize | All: I'm having a little prob on my Sarge system: On graphical login I see no text (missing font?) also: programs like bbconf/guarddog (i run blackbox) show the same symptoms |
| 00:31.55 | Tize | :( |
| 00:31.57 | Justin_ | trans__err: yeah, then you have very little chance of create_compressed_fs working |
| 00:32.05 | ChrisW | mutek: thanks :-) |
| 00:32.19 | Justin_ | it leaves you with 68M free |
| 00:32.20 | KallDrexx | does anyone have a good suggestion of a panel I can use with openbox? I personally like fluxbox's but I don't know if there is a way to use it in openbox. I need one that especially supports desktop switching... |
| 00:32.29 | trans__err | Justin_: so i just need a bigger swap? |
| 00:32.30 | ircdevil | ok, as i read it, sort -k 1,1 -k 2,2n somefile means: sort aphabetically the lines according to column 1 on the left hand in against column 1 on the right hand in a compare. if any ties, then the second columns are used in a numerical sort. $a cmp $b else $a <=> $b |
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| 00:32.36 | mutek_ | ChrisW: no probs |
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| 00:33.02 | Sebulba02 | Ouch |
| 00:33.02 | Justin_ | 19:23 < Justin_> ircdevil: ummmm i think by the first column then by the second column numerically |
| 00:33.06 | Justin_ | heh |
| 00:33.20 | Justin_ | trans__err: yeah, or get a fixed create_compressed_fs |
| 00:33.40 | trans__err | Justin_: is yours fixed? |
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| 00:34.03 | Justin_ | trans__err: it uses a different algorithm yeah, I dunno if it still works with the latest cloop stuff though |
| 00:34.14 | PapyRene | I am really sick of reading all stuff about samba just to find out how I can connect my linux system to a windows nt4.0 server to manage the files! |
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| 00:34.16 | Justin_ | i havent used it in 15 months :-) |
| 00:34.27 | trans__err | Justin_: i'll give it a try... installing deb... |
| 00:34.43 | trans__err | Justin_: i'll tell you how it works :D |
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| 00:36.03 | dippo | what's the best way to tell apt not to upgrade a specific package? |
| 00:36.18 | dippo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.23 | dippo | ? |
| 00:36.32 | bob2 | Powerkill: samba doesn't do that. |
| 00:36.34 | philips | anyone here using NMH on Sid |
| 00:36.39 | bob2 | dippo: /msg dpkg hold |
| 00:36.39 | fatal__ | you can set a packages on hold with dselect |
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| 00:37.15 | trans__err | Justin_: doesn't work the same way the other does... i can't pipe in w/ | nice -10 /usr/bin/create_compressed_fs - 65536 > /home/knx/master/KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX |
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| 00:37.24 | dippo | thanks |
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| 00:38.47 | solinux | hello |
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| 00:39.05 | guk | okay ... I got a new UPS (USB connectivity) what dev would it be |
| 00:39.13 | guk | ? /dev/usb/(what) |
| 00:39.23 | trans__err | guk: check dmesg |
| 00:39.26 | dippo | anyone know what it means when a package has a Version: like 1:4.0s1-10 |
| 00:39.28 | dippo | (tf in this case) |
| 00:39.32 | guk | dmesg |
| 00:39.33 | guk | ooo ... |
| 00:39.33 | dippo | what's the "1:" supposed to mean? |
| 00:39.36 | guk | What might this be ? |
| 00:39.41 | trans__err | Justin_: nope yours is pretty b0rked |
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| 00:39.49 | guk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.53 | bob2 | dippo: it's an epoch |
| 00:39.53 | guk | I need this ? |
| 00:40.06 | bob2 | dippo: anything with 1: in front of it is a higher version than anything without |
| 00:40.08 | guk | trans__err: uh ? I need to use that ? |
| 00:40.13 | dippo | hm |
| 00:40.13 | bob2 | dippo: so, 1:0 is newer than 1000 |
| 00:40.22 | guk | So what is my device for a USB plugin ... such as a UPS ? |
| 00:40.26 | guk | There has to be one ... |
| 00:40.28 | ral | woody 2.2.20 ipchains does it work?? |
| 00:40.30 | dippo | odd |
| 00:40.36 | guk | these instructions show me how to do it if it was serial |
| 00:40.38 | guk | but this one is USB |
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| 00:40.48 | dippo | the tf package i built by hand which is technically newer is being downgrade because apt wants to "upgrade" to that version |
| 00:41.00 | dippo | i'll have to figure out how to change that version most easily |
| 00:41.11 | rainbow_ | question : is there a easy web interface for configuring mysql remotely ? |
| 00:41.15 | guk | How about someone helping me out with my UPS ... I need pretty stats !! |
| 00:41.28 | guk | :'( |
| 00:41.34 | guk | Anyone setup a USB UPS before ? |
| 00:42.04 | Sebulba02 | Look in dmesg and see what device it assigned your UPS. |
| 00:42.10 | ral | usb ups keep dreaming |
| 00:42.25 | trans__err | Sebulba02: i said the same thing... he doesn't listen |
| 00:42.34 | Sebulba02 | Obviously |
| 00:42.45 | guk | oh ... |
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| 00:42.56 | guk | well it's a regular UPS ... but has USB connectivity |
| 00:43.12 | guk | usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs |
| 00:43.12 | guk | usb.c: registered new driver hub |
| 00:43.16 | trans__err | how do i go about creating a new swap? |
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| 00:43.35 | Sebulba02 | Very carefully? |
| 00:43.41 | Tize | All: I'm having a little prob on my Sarge system: On graphical login I see no text (missing font?) also: programs like bbconf/guarddog (i run blackbox) show the same symptoms |
| 00:43.55 | Tize | does anybody know a good place where i could search for answers to that problem? |
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| 00:44.01 | Sebulba02 | Tize: You've asked at least 6 times, I don't think anyone knows. Check google. |
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| 00:44.09 | Tize | k |
| 00:44.11 | Tize | later |
| 00:44.12 | solinux | trans__err: man fdisk, man mkswap, man swapon |
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| 00:44.40 | ral | woody 2.2.20 ipchains does it work?? |
| 00:44.43 | Demosthenes | out of curiosity, how does apt store what packages are already on the system? and if i wanted to specify a default set of packages i require on each system? |
| 00:45.03 | guk | okay ... I see my USB there but nothing about my UPS ... how do I get this fucker atleast found by linux (I have drivers but they want the location of USB wouldn't it be in /dev/usb) |
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| 00:45.36 | Justin_ | trans__err: oh? |
| 00:45.37 | ral | serial ups good |
| 00:45.37 | atm2 | Hi, I have an information "Not loading .note.GNU-stack" while starting X Window. why?? |
| 00:46.02 | atm2 | and so I can't startx my X |
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| 00:46.15 | guk | I want my UPS to work :'( someone help me |
| 00:46.27 | guk | im stupid and slow ... and this UPS isn't getting nifty stats any faster |
| 00:46.27 | ral | serial ups good usb no good |
| 00:46.38 | guk | Why ? |
| 00:46.41 | guk | USB is quality ... |
| 00:46.50 | guk | I never bought it for connectivity ... |
| 00:46.55 | guk | it's a 1 hour UPS for 60 bucks canadian |
| 00:46.57 | guk | you can't go wrong |
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| 00:47.01 | ral | usb linux no good on ups |
| 00:47.04 | setuid_w00t | Is it possible to do bandwidth throttling in linux? If so, what programs/kernel options are required? |
| 00:47.09 | guk | yah ... USB on linux is no good |
| 00:47.11 | guk | pile of shit |
| 00:47.16 | guk | I want my USB UPS to work damit |
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| 00:47.27 | Sebulba02 | Write drivers for them then. |
| 00:47.38 | guk | there is plenty of them |
| 00:47.38 | ral | get serial connection for ups on linux |
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| 00:47.43 | guk | I just need to find where my USB is located |
| 00:47.44 | atm2 | guk: get out of here with this crying attitude |
| 00:47.51 | guk | These examples assume the second serial port (ttyS1) on a typical |
| 00:47.51 | guk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:48.04 | guk | see I need somthing like that |
| 00:48.09 | guk | so I can set the modes and shit ... |
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| 00:49.11 | mentor | guk: I pulled a 2.2kVA UPS out of a skip... |
| 00:49.18 | ral | does anyone know if i can get my debian woody kernel 2.2.20 to work with ipchains |
| 00:49.18 | mentor | ~Tell guk about enter |
| 00:49.19 | guk | nice :) |
| 00:49.27 | guk | I know about enter ... |
| 00:49.27 | mentor | ~enter |
| 00:49.30 | guk | it works well |
| 00:49.39 | mentor | !enter |
| 00:49.40 | dpkg | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 00:49.42 | guk | Now ... what device would the USB port on the back of my computer be ? |
| 00:49.52 | mentor | !literal enter |
| 00:49.53 | dpkg | enter is <reply> The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 00:49.57 | atm2 | I have a problem starting X Window. When I startx I get an information "Not loading .note.GNU-stack". Plz gibe me some hints how to make my X work fine. |
| 00:49.58 | fearl | ral: afaik, ipchains is only for 2.2 kernels |
| 00:50.13 | mentor | apt enter is <reply> The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 00:50.15 | | okay, mentor |
| 00:50.15 | modus | i'm back ... if lspci says my video card is 00:0c.0 then should I tell xfree86 that it's "PCI:00:13:00" or will that break X horribly? (I'm asking only because X is broken horribly, but it may have been due to my failure to translate hexadeximal to decimal correctly.) |
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| 00:50.19 | ral | thx I have a 2.2.x kernel |
| 00:50.45 | philips | guk: Depends on what driver captured it, go google for your problem, it's been solved. |
| 00:50.49 | mentor | a == 10; b == 11; c ==12 |
| 00:51.05 | guk | ah ... |
| 00:51.10 | guk | now this is working good |
| 00:51.23 | modus | mentor: thx, i knew it was something simple and stupid. |
| 00:51.26 | fearl | ral: imo iptables are alot better then ipchains, but I guess if you are more familier with ipchains theres no real reason to upgrade |
| 00:51.32 | mentor | working 'well'; it's an adverb, damnit. |
| 00:52.02 | ral | fearl: can't upgrade need to use ipchains with 2.2.20 kernel |
| 00:52.59 | tix64 | mentor: and that's one of the few things in english grammar that i don't grasp that well. hehe. |
| 00:53.08 | fearl | blah, I read your last comment as you talking about a 2.4.20 kernel... 2.2.20 is OLD |
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| 00:53.17 | mentor | tix64: What's your first? |
| 00:53.20 | fearl | ral ^^ |
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| 00:53.34 | ral | fearl: 2.2.20 kernel |
| 00:53.38 | tix64 | mentor: german |
| 00:53.53 | fearl | ral: I realize that now... thats like a 5 year old kernel.... |
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| 00:54.05 | ral | fearl: old hardware |
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| 00:55.04 | mentor | tix64: Ah...so I presume you understand the construct of adverbs...just not why good => well? |
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| 00:55.16 | tix64 | mentor: yep |
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| 00:55.31 | fearl | ral: 2.6 alone is 3 years worth of development... 2.4 took like 2 years plus to be announced stable... kernels don't remove drivers etc, they add more... your hardware will be just as well supported on 2.6 as they are on 2.2... they will appear to be faster due to modifactions that have happened since then |
| 00:55.36 | mentor | tix64: Not even God can help you with that then... |
| 00:55.45 | modus | i'm back (the fool who just fsck'd up my xserver) and now 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' only shows a blue screen. should i try to manually reconfigure it in /etc/X11 ? (problem: dpkg-reconfigure crashed before it even generated a config file!) |
| 00:55.55 | ircdevil | i dont get this sort. i have a two column file seperated with tab. first column is a word, second is a number. i sort with sort -k 1,1 -k 2,2n file, but it seems as the words are only sorted with respect to the first char ??? |
| 00:55.56 | fearl | 2.2 imo was a horrible kernel... 2.4 had its issues too, 2.6 just feels sooo much faster |
| 00:56.18 | tix64 | mentor: i stumble over that every now and then. i just can't remember special cases. |
| 00:56.30 | setuid_w00t | fearl: good to hear. I'm compiling 2.6.0 right now |
| 00:56.32 | ral | fearl: i need to run the XF86_S3 because of the video card ....not supported in 2.4.x |
| 00:56.55 | mentor | tix64: heh. Well I can't even speak the common cases in any other language...so I won't complain. |
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| 00:57.09 | mentor | ~tell ircdevil about ep |
| 00:57.23 | modus | the dpkg bot tells me that "bluescreen" is a Microsoft anomoly (sic) |
| 00:57.38 | ral | fearl: this is beside the point i just need to get the ipchains-restore script to work with a set of rules |
| 00:57.42 | modus | but now I'm getting just a blue screen from dpkg-reconfigure! |
| 00:58.00 | ral | fearl: it blows up |
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| 00:58.45 | Demosthenes | again, is there a way i can create a default set of packages to install across multiple debian systems. |
| 00:58.48 | mentor | ircdevil: er -k 1,1 will tell it to start hte key at char 1 and stop it at char1? |
| 00:58.50 | fearl | modus: bluescreen is not a bad thing at all, just informs you which memory block screwed up to cause a crash... oh well, it got a bad rap so XP (and maybe 2000) don't even have the feature, they just have you report a bug now... |
| 00:58.57 | mentor | Demosthenes: Yes. |
| 00:59.06 | setuid_w00t | I have: install=bmp bitmap=/boot/sid.bmp in my lilo.conf file. That bitmap file exists, but I'm still getting a textmode lilo screen. Why is that? |
| 00:59.13 | modus | I'm giving up. Gonna try to downgrade from xserver-xfree86 to xserver-svga |
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| 00:59.24 | lepton | modus: mv the X config file out of the way and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:59.25 | tix64 | Demosthenes: you can get a list of installed packages for later use with 'dpkg --get-selections > list'. to use that list later run 'dpkg --set-selections < list ; apt-get dselect-upgrade'. |
| 00:59.34 | modus | fearl: but a solid blue screen, no text, in Debian -- that's a bad thing. |
| 00:59.43 | fearl | modus: thats because either whiptail or dialog on your system is broken |
| 00:59.48 | Demosthenes | tix64: kewl |
| 00:59.57 | Demosthenes | mentor: such verbose prose! |
| 01:00.03 | ral | fearl: are we still talking? |
| 01:00.40 | fearl | ral: I don't know anything about ipchains as I never needed to learn them... I can be of no help to you |
| 01:00.41 | mentor | Demosthenes: I can't thinki of a better way to signal in the affirmative... |
| 01:00.55 | Demosthenes | mentor: ;] |
| 01:01.06 | modus | lepton: i cannot run dpkg-reconfigure until I unbreak whiptail (or perhaps dialog) |
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| 01:01.35 | modus | lepton: this is all about wanting scroll wheel support ... *sigh* |
| 01:01.52 | ircdevil | mentor as i read it, -k1 sorts from field one to the end of the line. but i want to sort for the whole of field one -k 1,1. sorting for first char alone is -k 1.1 |
| 01:01.54 | fearl | modus: dialog is usually pretty stable... dpkg --purge whiptail (enless you know how to make it use dialog instead... |
| 01:02.10 | fearl | ) |
| 01:02.16 | kzar | Is there a good faq website with guides of how to do things like burn cds and setup email and things? |
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| 01:02.34 | kzar | or a good book ? |
| 01:02.35 | rainbow_ | question : is there a easy web interface for configuring mysql remotely ? |
| 01:02.42 | modus | fearl: how can i tell which one dpkg-reconfigure is using? (it all looks like curses to me!) |
| 01:02.43 | fearl | kzar: www.tldp.org is usually a good place to start.... |
| 01:02.44 | philips | kzar: Running Linux, gentoo docs |
| 01:03.05 | fearl | modus: if whiptail is installed, and you did nothing to change it, it uses whiptail |
| 01:04.03 | cafuego | vhell vhell |
| 01:04.23 | philips | wtf, my /etc/nmh directory if empty, and apt-get remove nmh; apt-get install nmh isn't restoring it. |
| 01:04.27 | philips | any ideas? |
| 01:04.32 | philips | *is |
| 01:04.47 | philips | err, if=is |
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| 01:05.59 | mentor | ircdevil: Hum. Yes, that appears to be correct... |
| 01:06.08 | mentor | ircdevil: Strange it is working for me... |
| 01:06.37 | Sebulba02 | philips: try to --purge it before installing maybe? |
| 01:06.50 | philips | Sebulba02: did that too |
| 01:06.51 | bob2 | setuid_w00t: www.lartc.org |
| 01:06.51 | mentor | philips: reinstall. |
| 01:07.01 | philips | dpkg --purge nmh |
| 01:07.02 | dpkg | philips: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 01:07.09 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 01:07.15 | ircdevil | mentors i have this wierd situation where i apparently does everything correct. but yet some AAA words are in the bottom where they should be in the top! |
| 01:07.18 | bob2 | Demosthenes: apt doesn't, dpkg does. you want to synchronise the state of packages amongst some machines? |
| 01:07.32 | mentor | ircdevil: Ignore case? |
| 01:07.33 | philips | can always count on the bots to puch you over the edge |
| 01:07.37 | greycat | cafuego: running SCO? and liking it? |
| 01:07.44 | cafuego | greycat: Nearly as bad. |
| 01:07.49 | bob2 | dippo: edit the debian/changelog file and give your version an epoch |
| 01:07.51 | Sebulba02 | Thats pretty bad. |
| 01:07.54 | cafuego | greycat: I just booted the main production server into 2.6.0 |
| 01:07.55 | ircdevil | mentor the words are all uppercase |
| 01:08.04 | mentor | ircdevil: Any chance I can see hte file? |
| 01:08.08 | greycat | cafuego: oh, that's not even close. |
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| 01:08.23 | mentor | cafuego: What do you produce? |
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| 01:08.39 | cafuego | mentor: it hosts vweb and vmail |
| 01:08.54 | Freakz | heh@what do you produce |
| 01:08.54 | setuid_w00t | bob2: thanks |
| 01:09.10 | cafuego | mentor: So basically I produce ordered bits. |
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| 01:09.22 | bob2 | setuid_w00t: there's also #lartc on irc.oftc.net for all your hardcore routing/shaping needs. |
| 01:09.28 | Demosthenes | bob2: i'm trying tix64's suggestion with dpkg -set/get selections |
| 01:09.36 | mentor | cafuego: Oh...well I figured if it was controlling a float glass campaign, you may have been in trouble... |
| 01:09.44 | bob2 | Demosthenes: ah, coool, I was just reading my scrollback. |
| 01:09.50 | Freakz | production server=server in use on the network |
| 01:09.52 | maihem | cafuego: do you produce bits if nobody orders them? |
| 01:09.59 | Demosthenes | bob2: i'm experimenting with debian, thinking about using it with cfengine for some servers. just needed a way to configure the machine on the fly to use specific packages. |
| 01:10.08 | Demosthenes | bob2: course, next i'll have to learn how to write a .deb :P |
| 01:10.26 | cafuego | maihem: Yes. |
| 01:10.33 | Demosthenes | bob2: ie: trigger remote upgrades in an unsupervised manner. |
| 01:11.00 | Demosthenes | bob2: looking at running a partial debian mirror inside my co's firewall for a set of machines i have to keep in sync and admin. |
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| 01:11.19 | cafuego | Demosthenes: apt-proxy does that for you. |
| 01:11.40 | Freakz | cafuego: Compact didn't work. Had to use vanilla. |
| 01:11.44 | Demosthenes | cafuego: ? |
| 01:11.44 | greycat | or squid. |
| 01:11.58 | JoePenguin | Demosthenes: There's a "debmirror" package you might want to look at |
| 01:11.58 | cafuego | Demosthenes: ! |
| 01:12.36 | Demosthenes | cafuego: kewl! |
| 01:12.39 | bob2 | Demosthenes: apt-proxy maintains partial mirrors automatically. |
| 01:12.45 | Kawfee | bob2, ! |
| 01:12.58 | bob2 | Demosthenes: to learn how to make .debs, http://www.debian.org/devel, the new maintainers guide. |
| 01:13.00 | mentor | ircdevil: What's the full command you are running? |
| 01:13.00 | Demosthenes | bob2: slick, but i may not want auto... |
| 01:13.25 | bob2 | Demosthenes: apt-proxy just caches what you download, so any other machine that asks for the same .deb gets it at netqwork speeds. |
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| 01:13.45 | Kawfee | bob2, GO TO SLEEP! |
| 01:13.54 | ircdevil | mentor sort -k 1,1 -k 2,2n test.temp > test2.temp |
| 01:14.00 | Demosthenes | bob2: you have any experience writing ebuilds for gentoo? or ports for *BSD? |
| 01:14.01 | bob2 | Demosthenes: you might want to have a look at dsh for triggering upgrades on multiple machines, too. |
| 01:14.10 | ircdevil | mentor the file is called test.temp here |
| 01:14.10 | Demosthenes | bob2: dsh, i'll be using cfengine ;] |
| 01:14.11 | mentor | ircdevil: Well, it seems to be working for me... |
| 01:14.20 | bob2 | Demosthenes: no and no, sorry. |
| 01:14.23 | Demosthenes | bob2: i have to have my machines pull updates, i can't push to them. ;] |
| 01:14.51 | ircdevil | mentor and the last three lines? |
| 01:15.04 | mentor | ircdevil: Hmmm...this looks supsiciously like you are creating life... |
| 01:15.04 | bob2 | Demosthenes: ah. make sure you test thorougly then :) |
| 01:15.30 | Demosthenes | bob2: cfengine rocks, i use it on aix and gentoo currently. ;] |
| 01:15.38 | Demosthenes | bob2: just working on using it on debian now. |
| 01:16.57 | beta3 | heya bob2 |
| 01:16.59 | trans__err | whats the command to show the current amount of ram + swap left? |
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| 01:17.12 | Sebulba02 | trans_err: 'free' |
| 01:17.32 | trans__err | Sebulba02: is there a way to run that live |
| 01:17.40 | ircdevil | mentor locale? whats that got to do with it? oooooooooh? AA is Å in danish, and supposed to be last in alphabet? |
| 01:17.51 | Sebulba02 | live? |
| 01:18.08 | trans__err | Sebulba02: see the constant change.... |
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| 01:18.19 | Sebulba02 | Oh, not that I know of. |
| 01:18.26 | bpence | hello everyone |
| 01:18.26 | mentor | ircdevil: Well...sort uses locale setting to determine sort order...so if that's what the Danish locale does then... |
| 01:18.31 | bob2 | beta3: 'morning. |
| 01:18.44 | Sebulba02 | trans_err: 'top' does also & its live.. |
| 01:18.48 | bob2 | ircdevil: LC_COLLATE |
| 01:18.50 | ircdevil | mentor can you overrule locale with a swith? |
| 01:19.03 | bob2 | ircdevil: set LC_COLLATE for that command. |
| 01:19.10 | bpence | I have what is probably a stupid question, but how do I find out what version of qt I have installed? |
| 01:19.13 | ircdevil | bob2 how? |
| 01:19.37 | Sebulba02 | bpence: dpkg -l | grep qt ? |
| 01:19.42 | cafuego | trans_err: watch -n1 'cat /proc/meminfo' |
| 01:20.23 | bpence | Sebulba02: thanks.. does that work for all packages? |
| 01:20.27 | mentor | ircdevil: export? set? |
| 01:20.30 | Sebulba02 | bpence: yep |
| 01:20.33 | tix64 | ircdevil: LC_COLLATE=C <command> |
| 01:20.35 | bob2 | bpence: it's kinda silly, because you could have lots. you mean "which version of qt3?"? |
| 01:20.42 | bob2 | ircdevil: what tix64 said |
| 01:20.49 | ircdevil | mentor bash |
| 01:20.50 | bpence | Sebulba02: great. thanks. |
| 01:21.00 | Sebulba02 | np |
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| 01:21.11 | beta3 | bob2: big football game on now |
| 01:21.12 | bpence | bob2: well, yeah, that too =) |
| 01:21.25 | beta3 | bob2: gonna go watch it, are you going to be here in an hour and half? |
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| 01:21.52 | bob2 | beta3: rosebowl? |
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| 01:22.06 | bob2 | beta3: hm, maybe |
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| 01:22.19 | beta3 | bob2: football game, Eagles (Philadelphia) vs. Washington Redskins |
| 01:22.24 | bob2 | ah |
| 01:22.35 | beta3 | I want eagles to win, lots of beer :) |
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| 01:22.44 | luite | does anyone here have experience setting up 802.1x eap-ttls authentication with a linksys accesspoint and freeradius? |
| 01:23.10 | ircdevil | mentor ok, works now. ty |
| 01:23.19 | ircdevil | tix64, bob2 ty |
| 01:24.36 | luite | cafuego: at least the firmware is open source, so that I can fix it myself... if the problem is in the accesspoint |
| 01:24.53 | cafuego | luite: Like mine, yes. I returned it and got a decent one. |
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| 01:25.37 | luite | cafuego: I have not had any problems yet... but it's a bit limited, real cisco's have a much better diagnostics interface with telnet access and traffic logging etc |
| 01:25.53 | cafuego | luite: Mine crashes twice a day for no reason. |
| 01:26.01 | cafuego | s/chashes/crashed/ |
| 01:26.02 | luite | mine never crashed |
| 01:26.03 | Kraig | jeje |
| 01:26.29 | cafuego | You don't have a BEFW11S4 v4 then, I take it. |
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| 01:26.46 | luite | cafuego: nope, it's a wap54g |
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| 01:28.31 | luite | the 802.1x authentication seems to be stuck somewhere in the middle, but I can't find the problem in the freeradius and ethereal logs (on the client) |
| 01:28.36 | cafuego | Which also means I have a spare Speedtouch Pro modem now |
| 01:28.52 | luite | hm, I have a speedtouch 510i, but I don't like it |
| 01:29.09 | luite | 510i v4 :) |
| 01:29.20 | mentor | GAh...Speedtouch Modems...bane of my existence... |
| 01:29.38 | cafuego | s/Speedtouch pro/hacked Speedtouch Home/ |
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| 01:29.50 | mentor | haha |
| 01:30.12 | cafuego | 'has to'? |
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| 01:32.48 | mentor | cafuego: An account of not owning them personally. |
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| 01:35.06 | cassiopea | I'm in a bit of a pickle, I was having trouble with unresolved symbols in some modules, and I was advised to mv /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.22/include to /usr/include, but that turned out to not work, so I thought I could fix it by moving it back, but it still didn't work, so I removed my entire kernel source tree and re-installed it, using dpkg, but now when I make menuconfig and then make dep, I get an error when running make dep |
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| 01:35.47 | omi_ | hey everyone |
| 01:35.56 | billyoc | cassiopea: did you do make mrproper before make menuconfig? |
| 01:36.05 | cassiopea | can anybody help, I can paste the output of make dep, but it's quite long |
| 01:36.10 | cassiopea | billyoc: Yeah, I did |
| 01:36.24 | omi_ | does anyone run 2.6 with tulip cards? i'm getting lockups after ~20 mb sent by lan, that didn't happened with 2.4 (except one card which hated UDP rush) |
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| 01:36.56 | cafuego | omi_: Sorry, only with 3c900 and netsemic ards (which seem OK) |
| 01:37.58 | omi_ | cafuego: what about 3c900 cards? do you mean that the drivers for other cards are screwed up at the moment? |
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| 01:38.27 | cafuego | omi_: No, I mean i have only run 2.6.x with those cards. |
| 01:38.32 | omi_ | oh i see |
| 01:38.34 | cafuego | omi_: ... and not encountered any problems. |
| 01:38.55 | cafuego | 239678208 bytes transferred in 48 seconds (4.80M/s) |
| 01:39.01 | cafuego | that's the natsemi, seems a bit slow. |
| 01:39.08 | cafuego | but transfers happily. |
| 01:39.40 | omi_ | i have 3c59x cards they work cool, no problems, 8.5mb/s, its just that i have lots of tulip cards which i bought some time ago and was using them happily but for some reason in 2.6 they lock up |
| 01:40.00 | cafuego | hen i suppose there is a driver problem; have you checked lkml? |
| 01:40.01 | omi_ | i want to use ipsec and last time i checked 2.4 didn't have it |
| 01:40.08 | omi_ | lkml? |
| 01:40.23 | cafuego | omi_: 2.4 has it, but as 3rd party patch. it's in debian. |
| 01:40.24 | omi_ | oh, sorry i'm slow (just recovering from cold) |
| 01:40.40 | cassiopea | billyoc? |
| 01:40.48 | cafuego | omi_: See 'kernel-patch-freeswan' |
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| 01:41.16 | billyoc | cassiopea: I'd have to ask what modules you're building. :) |
| 01:41.47 | omi_ | cafuego, maybe you know as well how to do bandwidth limiting in less than 4 lines |
| 01:41.57 | cassiopea | billyoc: I'm no longer concerned with resolving the symbols, all I want to do, is get my kernel compilable again |
| 01:42.02 | omi_ | so far i've seen bandwidth limiting for linux its like pages of configs |
| 01:42.06 | cafuego | omi_: Sure, 'ifdown eth0' ;-) |
| 01:42.21 | omi_ | I've installed freebsd just for this purpose cause its one line there ;) |
| 01:42.22 | omi_ | LOL! |
| 01:42.28 | cafuego | omi_: shaperd and tc are not hard to set up. |
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| 01:42.59 | cafuego | omi_: They need 3 or 4 lines per protocol you want to specify. |
| 01:43.09 | omi_ | awsome |
| 01:43.16 | omi_ | lets find doc |
| 01:43.17 | cafuego | (more if you want to vary their bandwidth over time) |
| 01:43.41 | omi_ | for now i just want to limit subnets here (for different wireless networks) |
| 01:43.55 | cafuego | that's easy enough |
| 01:43.58 | billyoc | cassiopea: ok, did you try rm'ing .config and make menuconfig again from scratch? |
| 01:44.05 | quant | when this is written "cp /path/to/qmailrocks/scripts/authvchkpw /usr/lib/courier/authlib/" do you think the author means for me to create the "authlib" directory or has he made a mistake? |
| 01:44.19 | omi_ | do i need both shaperd and tc or just one otf them? |
| 01:44.22 | cassiopea | no |
| 01:44.52 | cassiopea | billyoc: still don't work |
| 01:44.57 | cafuego | omi_: You already have tc, shaperd basicvally is an interface onto tc |
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| 01:45.41 | Kiku | holas, alguien me puede echar una mano? |
| 01:45.44 | billyoc | cassiopea: wow, I don't know. |
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| 01:46.35 | Sebulba02 | Kiku: #debian-es |
| 01:46.56 | Kiku | jejeje, thanks |
| 01:46.57 | cassiopea | is there a way to have apt re-install all the packages that are currently installed |
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| 01:47.17 | holycow | wow |
| 01:47.42 | holycow | i'm flooding a local ftp server here from several machines and cpu barely budges |
| 01:47.54 | holycow | yay debian :) |
| 01:48.06 | Sebulba02 | heh |
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| 01:48.19 | dogmeat | wow someone hacked into my debian machine and started a find process in just a few minutes |
| 01:48.19 | cassiopea | anyone? |
| 01:48.37 | dogmeat | su succeeded for user-nobody |
| 01:48.45 | hyksos | what does "need properly configured kernel sources" ? does that mean,it's enough i make menuconfig and save the config file? |
| 01:48.48 | Sebulba02 | cassiopea: why would you do that!? |
| 01:48.52 | tix64 | cassiopea: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 01:48.53 | holycow | cassio, i dunno :/ |
| 01:49.00 | holycow | dogmeat, really huh? |
| 01:49.07 | credativ_ | jojjdfjd |
| 01:49.18 | dogmeat | yeh console said su succeeded for user root-nobody |
| 01:49.18 | cassiopea | Sebulba02: How much time do you have? |
| 01:49.59 | hyksos | or must i compile the sources to have "properly configured kernel sources" ? |
| 01:50.03 | Sebulba02 | cassiopea: that depends, why? |
| 01:50.28 | holycow | dogmeat, how long was the machine accessible via net? |
| 01:50.41 | cassiopea | Sebulba02: Coz it's a long, long, long-long, long long long long loooooonnnnggg story |
| 01:50.54 | Sebulba02 | cassiopea: Ah, I'll take your word for that then :) |
| 01:51.08 | dogmeat | holycow: just a few minutes, im checking the /var/logs now to see the time stamps |
| 01:51.15 | cassiopea | tix64: Can I do it while I have progs running? |
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| 01:51.25 | holycow | are you sure? |
| 01:51.48 | holycow | you must of left something completely open... maybe? |
| 01:52.14 | tix64 | cassiopea: yes. |
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| 01:52.57 | tix64 | cassiopea: but you shouldn't do too much wiggling with apps while doing that. |
| 01:53.03 | bob2 | dogmeat: uh, sure it's not updatedb? |
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| 01:53.15 | dogmeat | bob2: hehe |
| 01:53.17 | bob2 | dogmeat: what time is it in your timezone? |
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| 01:53.36 | dogmeat | pacifica time, 5:48pm |
| 01:54.20 | Curtman | Anyone here use Anjuta regularly? Does the CFLAGS setting in compiler and linker options work for any of you in 1.2.0? (Or 1.1.98 for that matter) |
| 01:54.36 | bob2 | hyksos: it means you need the proper kernel-headers package: kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 01:54.48 | dogmeat | bob2: ok i have the info on the su |
| 01:54.51 | cassiopea | tix64: Those commands dpkg suggested aren't working |
| 01:55.31 | bob2 | quant: #qmail might know. |
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| 01:55.41 | quant | i have sorted it :) |
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| 01:55.55 | tix64 | cassiopea: in what way do they fail? |
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| 01:56.20 | serialkiller | what is Xforwading? |
| 01:56.22 | cassiopea | tix64: Well, let's review, they're not re-installing everything |
| 01:56.38 | bob2 | serialkiller: running an X program one one mahcine and having it display to another. |
| 01:56.50 | dmmx | Installing kernel 2.6 test 9 was the most amazing moment of my life. It was like.. BAM! one moment and WHAM! the next. |
| 01:56.51 | cassiopea | I also read the man page, which said that I could just run apt-get install --reinstall, but that just does nothing |
| 01:57.00 | tix64 | cassiopea: try the second suggestion |
| 01:57.06 | dmmx | And then it wouldn't start x, so I gave up. |
| 01:57.12 | deadcat | hehe |
| 01:57.13 | cassiopea | tix64: I tried both, they don't work |
| 01:57.21 | hogmeat | posting su log on #flood |
| 01:57.34 | ramanujan | hm, how to combine two or more mpeg files into one? |
| 01:57.37 | hogmeat | (this is dogmeat) |
| 01:57.59 | somiaj | ramanujan: mencoder will do it (part of mplayer) |
| 01:58.02 | cassiopea | tix64: the one that starts COLUMNS=200 |
| 01:58.12 | holycow | dogmeat, paste the info to pastebin.com or whatever |
| 01:58.20 | tix64 | cassiopea: you tried 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install' and that did fail? |
| 01:58.28 | cassiopea | yeah |
| 01:58.30 | dogmeat | ok pastebin |
| 01:58.31 | ramanujan | somiaj: danke |
| 01:58.34 | dondelelcaro | hogmeat: that's a cron job that's running. |
| 01:58.39 | holycow | pastebin.org i think it is |
| 01:58.42 | cassiopea | it complained that it coudln't download packages or summing |
| 01:59.03 | holycow | oh wait, heh its .com shit |
| 01:59.04 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 01:59.06 | tix64 | cassiopea: what package? |
| 01:59.18 | cassiopea | console-tools |
| 01:59.29 | dondelelcaro | hogmeat: rrr... sorry, a cron job that's running the find, and a script su'ing from root to nobody. |
| 01:59.47 | hogmeat | wow that was scary, thanks!!! :-) |
| 01:59.55 | cassiopea | actually quite a bunch of stuff |
| 01:59.57 | dogmeat | scarey i mean |
| 02:00.01 | holycow | heh |
| 02:00.05 | cassiopea | tix64: You heard that? |
| 02:00.07 | tix64 | cassiopea: paste the output to #flood |
| 02:00.17 | holycow | what kinda cron job you runnin dog? installed somethin y ou forgot about perhaps? |
| 02:00.19 | dmmx | Does anyone suggest 2.6 test 9, or have enough bugs been fixed in 2.6.0 to warrant a wait? |
| 02:00.34 | greycat | dmmx: uh... 2.6.0 is out. |
| 02:00.35 | dogmeat | i dunno im still a debian twink |
| 02:00.39 | dondelelcaro | holycow: the standard cron jobs (for locate et al) do that by default. |
| 02:00.44 | holycow | ehehehe :) me too |
| 02:00.45 | dmmx | greycat: I mean the .deb for sid. |
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| 02:01.06 | holycow | *nod* sounds like i have more reading to do dondelelcaro |
| 02:01.08 | holycow | :) |
| 02:01.10 | greycat | dmmx: I never use Debian kernels. |
| 02:01.27 | bob2 | how do you get an INITRD then? |
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| 02:01.34 | bob2 | you NEED teh INITRD. |
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| 02:01.43 | greycat | bob2: OMG!!!@! |
| 02:01.50 | dondelelcaro | holycow: its /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 02:01.52 | dmmx | I am never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever going to compile a kernel. Well, not yet anyway. I've only been using unix-like stuff for a year. |
| 02:01.53 | holycow | hehe greycat, i just installed the 2.4.23 kernel via apt today, soooooo easy :) |
| 02:01.56 | dondelelcaro | greycat: like, way! |
| 02:01.57 | bob2 | dmmx: if you find any bugs in test9, peopel will laugh at you until you use 2.6.0 |
| 02:02.01 | tix64 | cassiopea: well, you have to apt-get upgrade before you can --reinstall |
| 02:02.12 | bob2 | dmmx: wait. |
| 02:02.34 | exobyte | I'm trying to find a recent woody backport of wine |
| 02:02.43 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: see apt-get.org |
| 02:02.56 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: if that doesn't answer, then /msg dpkg simple backport |
| 02:02.59 | somiaj | dmmx: I coplied a kernel after being on linux for three days, that's no excuse (my friend who got me to switch was a compile-a-hol) |
| 02:03.02 | holycow | dondelelcaro oh! hehe :) hey i didnt know that, v cool |
| 02:03.02 | alex_ | will it also be easy with 2.6 ? |
| 02:03.06 | holycow | dondelelcaro thanky :) |
| 02:03.10 | dondelelcaro | holycow: np |
| 02:03.24 | cassiopea | tix64: OK, I'll do that, but it's gonna take a while, I'm gonna reboot, there's a coupla stuff I wanna do in gentoo, I can just chroot into my debian partition and do everything I need to with apt, right? |
| 02:03.37 | phxhawke | heh, i recompiled my after about 3 months. |
| 02:03.43 | tix64 | cassiopea: yep. |
| 02:04.09 | holycow | somia, compiling a kernel as a newb implies you either have a knowledgable friend to help you through, or have a weekend to blow |
| 02:04.13 | phxhawke | way back when i had a 386sx and only 3 megs of ram :) |
| 02:04.28 | bob2 | to combine the stability of gentoo with the modern applications of Debian! |
| 02:04.43 | tix64 | bob2: hehehe |
| 02:04.50 | madness | bob2: heh. |
| 02:04.57 | madness | bob2: "the best of both worlds !" |
| 02:04.58 | bob2 | IE is the shitest web browser I've ever used. |
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| 02:05.02 | phxhawke | holycow: or you are just gutsy :) |
| 02:05.15 | bob2 | exobyte: in woody? |
| 02:05.16 | somiaj | holycow: yup, I had a friend and a desire to break things, I was also running a potato/woody/sid mix at that time just mixing and matching things.....(: |
| 02:05.22 | serialkiller | bob2 : do you know of a good xforwarding howto? |
| 02:05.33 | dondelelcaro | bob2: dunno... some early versions of other browsers give it a run for its money... |
| 02:05.33 | holycow | lol phx :) hey actually i tried compiling a kernel on suse ... then i said wtf am i doing this to my self and switched to debian |
| 02:05.35 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 02:05.42 | dondelelcaro | !+sshx |
| 02:05.42 | dpkg | Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config), you can use ssh -X on the client side. Both server and client need the xauth program, which is in the xbase-clients package. ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 02:05.44 | bob2 | serialkiller: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 02:05.47 | dondelelcaro | serialkiller: ^^^ |
| 02:05.51 | deadcat | serialkiller: just edit your /etc/ssh/sshd_config thats it. |
| 02:06.00 | phxhawke | holycow: i still recompile my kernel's even under debian :) |
| 02:06.12 | dondelelcaro | hrm. that factoid isn't quite right. |
| 02:06.14 | bob2 | greycat: haha |
| 02:06.24 | serialkiller | thanks |
| 02:06.49 | holycow | freak :) hehe naw just kiddin, i agree with you. i'm too newb for that, i'll leave kernel compiles for later when it really pays off to customize them |
| 02:06.56 | dondelelcaro | !sshx =~ s/ig),/ig) and install xauth on the server, then/ |
| 02:06.56 | exobyte | bob2: yup |
| 02:06.57 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
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| 02:07.19 | trans_err | anyone know what happened to the xtunes (sumi) project? |
| 02:07.23 | Demosthenes | has anyone here done both gentoo ebuilds and debian .debs and care to share some insight? |
| 02:07.25 | phxhawke | holycow: i just got to customize it so that it fits my personality :) |
| 02:07.48 | alex_ | i want to compile 2.6 on another maschine, is there anything i need to think about ? |
| 02:08.27 | smunt__ | serialkiller, IIRC sshforwarding doesn't work in testing |
| 02:08.31 | bob2 | alex_: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 02:08.35 | bob2 | alex_: and /topic |
| 02:08.40 | dondelelcaro | smunt__: yes it does. |
| 02:08.44 | holycow | somiaj me too mate. i tried all of them but in the end i dont really get what the other distros try to do ... they just end up redoing what debian community has already achieved. *shrug* |
| 02:08.48 | bob2 | Demosthenes: .debs are very easy to do. |
| 02:08.51 | smunt__ | serialkiller, there is a bugreport |
| 02:08.54 | bob2 | Demosthenes: no idea abotu ebuilds. |
| 02:09.15 | bob2 | but given that they exist, and gentoo users made them, they can't be *that* hard ;-) |
| 02:09.25 | exobyte | bob2: I found this on apt-get.org. How can I get it to only be for wine? deb http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free |
| 02:09.27 | deadcat | bob2: what you use to build .debs? |
| 02:09.32 | dondelelcaro | smunt__: hrm... which bug number? |
| 02:09.57 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: to create the debian source? dh_make, then hours of hard work ;-) |
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| 02:10.04 | bob2 | deadcat: ^ |
| 02:10.06 | deadcat | thanks. |
| 02:10.17 | serialkiller | deadcat : idid it says xforwading yes |
| 02:10.20 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: read the newmaint guide, policy, and the developer's reference. |
| 02:10.25 | serialkiller | do i need to restart ssh? |
| 02:10.29 | dondelelcaro | serialkiller: yes. |
| 02:10.32 | bob2 | deadcat: if you want to learn how, the new maintainres guide goes through it step-by-step. www.debian.org/devel |
| 02:10.34 | dondelelcaro | serialkiller: sshd that is. |
| 02:10.40 | dondelelcaro | !newmaint |
| 02:10.41 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 02:10.43 | bob2 | serialkiller: restartiong won't drop current connections. |
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| 02:10.53 | somiaj | holycow: I have a stuborn personality and part of the reason I wanted to use linux was the comand line, so I used mandrake and rpm's for about two weaks and thought they were stupid and got pissed that mandrake wanted me to do everything with some gui wizard, then switched to debian and loved dpkg, I think it was a good 6 or more months of dpkg and lynx untill someone pointed out the joys of apt. |
| 02:10.59 | alex_ | bob2: okay thank i will take a look |
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| 02:11.44 | bob2 | phxhawke: do you have a x86-64 system? |
| 02:11.52 | phxhawke | nope |
| 02:11.56 | smunt__ | dondelelcaro, 96709 |
| 02:12.04 | deadcat | bob2: what about dpkg-deb? |
| 02:12.05 | dondelelcaro | #dbugs 96709 |
| 02:12.06 | phxhawke | bob2: that that still doesn't mean that i don't want one :) |
| 02:12.08 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 96709 |
| 02:12.13 | dpkg | #96709:N[ssh] X forwarding over ssh stopped working |
| 02:12.17 | serialkiller | bob2 : xmsystemadmin@IceBox:~$ xmms |
| 02:12.18 | serialkiller | Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 02:12.18 | serialkiller | systemadmin@IceBox:~$ |
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| 02:13.29 | bob2 | deadcat: that's for manipulating raw .deb files. there are higher-level tools for creating packages. but you can use dpkg-deb if you want to be really hardcore :) |
| 02:13.34 | bob2 | phxhawke: hah, me too. |
| 02:13.35 | tix64 | deadcat: you can use that, if you know how. but you could also use just tar and ar. |
| 02:14.13 | bob2 | tix64: does "ar"in Debian generate correct .deb files? |
| 02:14.19 | deadcat | oh... i just want to pack a .deb so i dont have to compile again. |
| 02:14.20 | dondelelcaro | smunt__: that bug is way old, and sure looks like a configuration problem instead of a real bug. |
| 02:14.22 | bob2 | I thought it used a newer format or something... |
| 02:14.26 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: dpkg-repack |
| 02:14.31 | dondelelcaro | bob2: nope, use dpkg-deeb |
| 02:14.35 | dondelelcaro | s/ee/e/ |
| 02:14.40 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: ah, didn't think so. |
| 02:14.51 | bob2 | er, did. er, you know what I mean :) |
| 02:14.54 | tix64 | bob2: uhm, yep you're right. |
| 02:14.56 | dondelelcaro | bob2: a .deb is an ar, but the magic number is different... man 5 deb iirc. |
| 02:15.55 | dondelelcaro | phxhawke: it's pretty easy. just apt-get source foo; apt-get build-dep foo; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; cd foo; fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
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| 02:16.34 | phxhawke | dondelelcaro: but i want to do it with stuff that isn't in debian yet :) |
| 02:16.39 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: ahhh. |
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| 02:17.15 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: the build-dep/build-essentials just figure out and install all the -dev files you need? |
| 02:17.17 | phxhawke | dondelelcaro: i.e.: any stuff that i decide to code or dl that isn't in a debian archive :) |
| 02:17.30 | serialkiller | Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).??? |
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| 02:18.03 | somiaj | phxhawke: I just want more people to write debian/ rules with their sorce code...(: |
| 02:18.13 | phxhawke | somiaj: heh |
| 02:18.25 | tix64 | phxhawke: it's not that hard either. read the new maintainers guide. |
| 02:18.57 | serialkiller | humm amyone using x forwarding.. windows to linux with putty? |
| 02:19.10 | bob2 | serialkiller: did you follow the instructions in that factoid? |
| 02:19.13 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: build-dep installs the Build-Depends: and build-essentials is a meta package that includes all the stuff you need to build .debs. fakeroot is just fakeroot. |
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| 02:19.21 | bob2 | serialkiller: do you have an X server running on the windows machine? |
| 02:19.36 | serialkiller | no |
| 02:19.41 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: thanks...(: |
| 02:19.42 | serialkiller | do i need to? |
| 02:19.42 | dondelelcaro | phxhawke: well, for most things you can file an RFP on wnpp... or learn to package it yourself... |
| 02:19.45 | bob2 | phxhawke: the new maintainers guide walks you through it. creating an actual .deb isn't very hard, the tricky bit is integrating it into the rest of Debian. |
| 02:19.47 | alex_ | are there any bugs with kde on testing actually , i cant get it up and running? |
| 02:19.48 | bob2 | serialkiller: uh, yes. |
| 02:20.01 | serialkiller | ok i have it runing |
| 02:20.01 | bob2 | alex_: of course, lots. you need to be more specific. |
| 02:20.03 | dondelelcaro | alex_: there are probably bugs on various parts of kde... |
| 02:20.28 | alex_ | lol, okay thats all i want to know |
| 02:20.48 | bob2 | alex_: there are very few packages in Debian that don't have any bugs on them. |
| 02:21.02 | quant | this is part of a conf file "##NAME: MAXPERIP:0" what does the 0 mean do you guys think? |
| 02:21.16 | bob2 | infinity |
| 02:21.31 | quant | so if i set to 0 it means there's no limit? |
| 02:21.37 | exobyte | I recieved some spam. I know of the company that set it, have no prior business with them, etc. Any ideas on where I would go to turn them in for spamming (since california has anti-spam laws) |
| 02:21.41 | bob2 | at a guess, with no context at all, yes. |
| 02:22.16 | bztunk | exobyte: #debian is the place to ask! |
| 02:22.19 | serialkiller | ok so x forwaring is for runnign app, but i cannot use my desktop, i have to use vnc? |
| 02:22.26 | somiaj | quant: I bet you the man file will enlighten you on such issues |
| 02:22.51 | exobyte | bztunk: heh- I know- on-topic. I was hoping someone would have expierence with this |
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| 02:23.00 | quant | somiaj: yes, quite possibly, good idea |
| 02:23.56 | mentor | serialkiller: X forwading allows the local X server to connect to remote X clients over a secure and automatic channel. |
| 02:24.03 | somiaj | exobyte: we probably have more experience with blocking the spam in the first place.... |
| 02:24.25 | serialkiller | ok mentor: how do i connect to my already running kde desktop? |
| 02:24.29 | serialkiller | can i? |
| 02:24.35 | bztunk | dpkg: rot13 bob2 |
| 02:24.36 | dpkg | obo2 |
| 02:24.39 | mentor | serialkiller: not really, no. |
| 02:24.40 | bztunk | hahah |
| 02:24.50 | bob2 | I'm not your damn obo! |
| 02:25.07 | bztunk | dpkg: dict obo |
| 02:25.08 | bztunk | :D |
| 02:25.10 | dpkg | could not find definition for obo |
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| 02:25.26 | mentor | ~dict oboe |
| 02:25.28 | RichiH | obo2, heh |
| 02:25.35 | RichiH | that one is gonna stick ;) |
| 02:25.42 | dmmx | um, question. linux noob here. |
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| 02:25.57 | mentor | note for the careless, never open a running fusion reactor. |
| 02:26.05 | dmmx | I just removed 2.6 kernel, and now I can't run lilo from the command line, guess the entry wasn't removed |
| 02:26.17 | exobyte | here's a stupid question I should remember the answer to. How do I set the system time? A timeserver would be nice |
| 02:26.22 | the1 | is there a corewars program that doesn't need X? |
| 02:26.22 | karsten | mentor: Pleas close the sun then, would you? |
| 02:26.23 | dmmx | how do I make the 2.4 kernel the default? |
| 02:26.25 | bztunk | dmmx: then remove it yourself |
| 02:26.27 | serialkiller | bob2 : is there a way to connect to a desktop that is running already? |
| 02:26.45 | somiaj | exobyte: ntpdate will grab the system off a ntp server and set your time. |
| 02:26.46 | karsten | dmmx: What's your boootloader? LILO or GRUB? |
| 02:26.46 | bztunk | exobyte: apt-get install ntp |
| 02:26.48 | bob2 | exobyte: install ntpsimple or chrony and point it at a time server |
| 02:27.00 | bob2 | exobyte: www.ntp.org will give you a nearby one. |
| 02:27.06 | exobyte | sweet. thx all |
| 02:27.06 | dmmx | bztunk: how? is /vmlinuz a symlink? what's the command to make it point to my old kernel? |
| 02:27.11 | mentor | karsten: It's alright, nobody opened it. |
| 02:27.18 | dmmx | Lilo |
| 02:27.23 | somiaj | karsten: I would guess lilo if ya look up...(: |
| 02:27.44 | alex_ | i want to compile 2.6 on another maschine (one that is much faster) and i want to run it on this maschine, are there any good howtos online for something like that ? |
| 02:27.46 | somiaj | dmmx: man ln (for making links) |
| 02:27.47 | RichiH | dmmx: rm /vmlinuz && ln -s /boot/yourkernel /vmlinuz |
| 02:27.52 | bob2 | dmmx: just re-create it. |
| 02:27.56 | bztunk | dmmx: yes vmlinuz is a symlink, but you can modify lilo.conf to read /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.x instead |
| 02:27.57 | karsten | Any way to get kernel messages such as "eth1 interrupt(s) dropped" to stop printing to console? |
| 02:27.59 | bob2 | alex_: /msg dpkg kp |
| 02:28.04 | bob2 | alex_: makes it trivial. |
| 02:28.16 | bob2 | karsten: add -c1 to the KLOGD lin in /etc/init.d/klogd |
| 02:28.17 | deadcat | karsten: going to mac world expo in jan6-9th? |
| 02:28.22 | dmmx | thanks richi |
| 02:28.26 | karsten | somiaj: Ah. I just showed up. |
| 02:28.29 | RichiH | np |
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| 02:28.37 | karsten | deadcat: Why should I taunt Mac users? |
| 02:28.43 | somiaj | karsten: (: |
| 02:28.45 | Hill | hi |
| 02:28.45 | deadcat | (= |
| 02:28.47 | Hill | german Specialists here ? |
| 02:28.50 | RichiH | dmmx: don't forget about initrd |
| 02:28.56 | dondelelcaro | Hill: probably in #debian.de |
| 02:28.57 | RichiH | ja |
| 02:28.57 | bztunk | Hill: #debian is the channel to ask! |
| 02:29.04 | RichiH | aber geh nach #debian.de |
| 02:29.16 | Hill | thx |
| 02:29.20 | bztunk | ~insult-de test |
| 02:29.21 | RichiH | np |
| 02:29.31 | alex_ | Hill: maybe not a "Specialist" but iam from Germany :-) |
| 02:29.37 | bob2 | !rot13 bztunk |
| 02:29.38 | dpkg | omghax |
| 02:29.39 | Hill | :) |
| 02:29.48 | Hill | lock debian.de :) |
| 02:29.49 | RichiH | ~rot13 richih |
| 02:29.49 | | evpuvu |
| 02:29.55 | Hill | look i mean |
| 02:30.00 | bztunk | bob2: hehe, you found what bztunk means |
| 02:30.13 | karsten | bob2: Thanks. |
| 02:30.27 | karsten | Hill: #debian-de |
| 02:30.37 | dmmx | RichiH: What about initrd? |
| 02:30.38 | Hill | mhh... |
| 02:31.06 | RichiH | dmmx: there should be a /initrd, too. you have to delete & ln -s it, too |
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| 02:31.28 | RichiH | ~de |
| 02:31.46 | dmmx | richih: what do I ln -s it to? |
| 02:31.53 | karsten | deadcat: You planning on being there? |
| 02:32.08 | RichiH | dmmx: /boot/theinitrdforyourkernel |
| 02:32.18 | dondelelcaro | ~german |
| 02:32.20 | | ACTION doesn't mention the war |
| 02:32.20 | RichiH | dmmx: do file -s /initrd |
| 02:32.25 | dmmx | um... what is the init for my kernel though |
| 02:32.29 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 02:32.29 | dondelelcaro | !de |
| 02:32.29 | dpkg | from memory, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 02:32.33 | mentor | ~factinfo german |
| 02:32.33 | | german -- created by Leeds <~rc112576@beryllium.eu.sun.com> at Fri Aug 8 17:22:02 2003 (141 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by dondelelcaro, 13s ago. |
| 02:32.47 | mentor | ~de |
| 02:32.53 | dmmx | all I see is an initrd.img for 2.6.0 |
| 02:33.00 | RichiH | hmmk |
| 02:33.06 | RichiH | then you should be ok |
| 02:33.17 | dmmx | and an initrd.img in /, as well as an initrd (the link) in /boot |
| 02:33.32 | rainbow_ | question : when running mysqld (and i am showing it running) i cannot connect to the 3306 port , it is not open. anyone tell me why ? |
| 02:33.34 | RichiH | ~factinfo german |
| 02:33.34 | | german -- created by Leeds <~rc112576@beryllium.eu.sun.com> at Fri Aug 8 17:22:02 2003 (141 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by dondelelcaro, 1m 14s ago. |
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| 02:33.47 | RichiH | figures |
| 02:33.54 | Sebulba02 | rainbow_: firewall? |
| 02:33.59 | RichiH | ~forget german |
| 02:34.00 | | RichiH: i forgot german |
| 02:34.00 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: yeah, those factoids are really outdated... |
| 02:34.07 | rainbow_ | Sebulba02, nope |
| 02:34.07 | somiaj | dmmx: do a dpkg -L kernel-imiage-<verison your using> and see where it would put the initrd image if it had one. |
| 02:34.17 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: seeing if TimRiker will update them... |
| 02:34.33 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: i don't understand why... xk retrieved the old db |
| 02:34.44 | RichiH | i got a copy of it here, even |
| 02:34.46 | smunt__ | rainbow_, skip-networking is on in the config? |
| 02:34.53 | dondelelcaro | ~status |
| 02:34.54 | | Since Wed Dec 24 15:28:38 2003, there have been 40 modifications, 201 questions, 144 dunnos, 3 morons and 218 commands. I have been awake for 3d 11h 6m 15s this session, and currently reference 89194 factoids. I'm using about 15776 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3058.53/373.8 child 622.35/59.19 |
| 02:34.54 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 02:34.55 | dpkg | Since Sat Dec 6 22:10:04 2003, there have been 335 modifications, 7692 questions, 2400 dunnos, 52 morons and 4293 commands. I have been awake for 21d 4h 24m 50s this session, and currently reference 22892 factoids. I'm using about 18292 kB of memory. |
| 02:34.59 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: i certainly do hope so... |
| 02:35.08 | rainbow_ | smunt__, huh? where? |
| 02:35.09 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: yeah, but the databases are totally different... |
| 02:35.27 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: I mean, just the size difference is huge... |
| 02:35.36 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: well, unless someone codes a shared data pool... ;) |
| 02:35.47 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: its in the works... |
| 02:35.49 | smunt__ | rainbow_, /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 02:35.54 | RichiH | oh, really? |
| 02:35.56 | RichiH | cool |
| 02:35.59 | dmmx | RichiH: When I was installing 2.6, it asked me to add an initrd option into lilo.conf, since there was none. Do I need an initrd, or can I safely delete them? |
| 02:35.59 | smunt__ | rainbow_, under [mysqld] |
| 02:36.23 | muncc2beo | out of curiosity, what the difference between the apt and dpkg bots? |
| 02:36.26 | bztunk | dmmx: depends if you use the debian kernel and stuff |
| 02:36.27 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: when did you last mirror apt into dpkg |
| 02:36.37 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: right when it died. |
| 02:36.41 | RichiH | dmmx: delete it |
| 02:36.46 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: I haven't mirrored this one though... |
| 02:36.48 | bob2 | muncc2beo: pretty much the same code, and they share mostly the same db. redundancy. |
| 02:36.50 | rainbow_ | smunt__, cool gonna see if thats what it is, this is really frustrating |
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| 02:37.05 | RichiH | so timriker is using some really strange db |
| 02:37.10 | dmmx | It was installed with woody (I'm on sid now), so I guess it's a debian kernel. 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 02:37.13 | dondelelcaro | ~714 |
| 02:37.26 | RichiH | i have a hunch it is not the one apt used to use ;) |
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| 02:37.34 | somiaj | !stock kernel |
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| 02:37.37 | rainbow_ | smunt__, what do i want to do ? edit it out ? |
| 02:37.42 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: yeah, it doesn't look like the huge infobot ones either... *shrug* |
| 02:37.45 | somiaj | !real kernel |
| 02:37.45 | dpkg | The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance |
| 02:37.48 | RichiH | and i do hope he will use it... else, apt will be lost, imho |
| 02:37.50 | muncc2beo | I'm trying to compile something, but I'm getting errors looking like this: |
| 02:37.52 | smunt__ | rainbow_, yes |
| 02:37.52 | muncc2beo | /usr/include/linux/time.h:9: error: redefinition of `struct timespec' |
| 02:37.52 | muncc2beo | /usr/include/linux/time.h:15: error: redefinition of `struct timeval' |
| 02:38.06 | RichiH | or should get lost... |
| 02:38.13 | RichiH | depending on yur pov |
| 02:38.13 | bob2 | what does google say? |
| 02:38.21 | bob2 | particularily lkml. |
| 02:38.23 | muncc2beo | Anyone know what I screwws up on? |
| 02:38.36 | muncc2beo | bob2: was that for me? |
| 02:38.51 | somiaj | dmmx: ahh ha, well since your messing with kernels you should probably install a 'real kernel', as for the default 2.4.18-bf2.4 one its not initrd so make sure you remove that initrd settings from lilo.conf to boot of that one if you want to. |
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| 02:38.56 | nahuel | Hi, im trying to use the glx module with X but if I select it and try to run X it tells me module not found, what package do I need to make it work? |
| 02:38.57 | bob2 | muncc2beo: yes |
| 02:39.14 | RichiH | f |
| 02:39.20 | RichiH | oups :) |
| 02:39.33 | smunt__ | rainbow_, but it does mean that anyone one the network can connect to it. So you might want to set acls or a firewall |
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| 02:40.17 | muncc2beo | anyone know of any fixes, or if I have to install something? |
| 02:40.28 | muncc2beo | bob2: ok I'm looking.... |
| 02:40.32 | Agrajag | after I add someone to a group in /etc/group, what do I have to do to get the kernel to notice? |
| 02:40.38 | RichiH | muncc2beo: put that error into groups.google.com |
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| 02:40.51 | somiaj | muncc2beo: what are you trying to compile, why? and is there a debian package for what your compiling? |
| 02:40.56 | Agrajag | I just had to reboot to get my dad into group dip for example and hes sitting here syaing how windows just does it |
| 02:40.58 | nahuel | Hi, im trying to use the glx module with X but if I select it and try to run X it tells me module not found, what package do I need to make it work? |
| 02:41.12 | bztunk | Agrajag: the kernel doesn't care, pamd does |
| 02:41.14 | bztunk | *pam |
| 02:41.24 | bob2 | Agrajag: no you don't. |
| 02:41.24 | RichiH | Agrajag: adduser foo bar should do the trick, imho |
| 02:41.30 | bob2 | Agrajag: log out and in again. |
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| 02:41.36 | RichiH | yep |
| 02:41.45 | bob2 | rebooting is for kernel upgrades. |
| 02:41.46 | ludwig | Agrajag: maybe you have to kill -HUP the pamd process |
| 02:41.47 | somiaj | nahuel: what graphics card, xlibmesa I belive is what you want. |
| 02:41.52 | muncc2beo | somiaj: transcode. I'm trying to take audio off a dvd and burn it to a cd. There is a deb, but not for sarge, I guess. |
| 02:41.54 | rainbow_ | smunt__, k no prob there, but now i can connect to it but it is not quite working properly, i guess i am gonna mess with it a little more.. did this once and it wasnt this bad |
| 02:42.00 | CueballUK | Is there a CLI client for apt that will save the package status like Synaptic does? |
| 02:42.01 | dmmx | ok, while I'm messing with kernels for the first time, I have another question |
| 02:42.02 | ludwig | bah. don't people just hotswap their kernels? |
| 02:42.15 | tix64 | muncc2beo: in what file does the error occur? |
| 02:42.19 | bob2 | "pamd process"? |
| 02:42.20 | CueballUK | Mainly for swift or mass installations |
| 02:42.21 | bob2 | CueballUK: aptitude. |
| 02:42.22 | bztunk | ~info transcode |
| 02:42.23 | dmmx | If I do a halt, Linux says "Power Down" and I hear the hard drive spin down, but it dosn't turn off. |
| 02:42.33 | Agrajag | lugwig: maybe I was looking for something to /etc/init/whatever_service restart but coulnt' find the right whatever_service |
| 02:42.45 | dmmx | If I do a reboot, it turns off completely, like a halt. |
| 02:42.54 | bob2 | Agrajag: log out and in again |
| 02:42.54 | dmmx | Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 02:42.58 | bob2 | Agrajag: there's no process to cool |
| 02:43.04 | Agrajag | ludwid: don't see anything for pam in /etc/init.d |
| 02:43.06 | bob2 | dmmx: include APM or ACPI support |
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| 02:43.06 | bztunk | muncc2beo: if transcode doesn't compile, you may want to try mencoder (witch isn't in debian either) |
| 02:43.09 | muncc2beo | tix64: In file included from /usr/include/linux/videodev2.h:16, |
| 02:43.23 | dmmx | bob2: How do I do that? |
| 02:43.26 | ludwig | Agrajag: it should just work. i don't know the details of your system |
| 02:43.26 | bob2 | muncc2beo: oh, that was trancode? |
| 02:43.27 | Agrajag | bob2: tried new xterms under X and doing bash --login, but I guess neither of those wake PAM up |
| 02:43.30 | somiaj | muncc2beo: I dont' think there is a deb, just making sure you aren't trying to do work you don't have to, never messed with transcode myself, so follow bob2's advice and search google for those errors and see what you can come up with. |
| 02:43.33 | muncc2beo | bztunk: will that let me take audio from a dvd, and encode it as an ogg or mp3? |
| 02:43.36 | muncc2beo | bob2: yes |
| 02:43.36 | ludwig | use the addgroup command |
| 02:43.44 | CueballUK | bob2: How do I do it? |
| 02:43.44 | ludwig | or adduser |
| 02:43.57 | bob2 | Agrajag: that's not what I said. actually log out and in again. |
| 02:44.04 | bob2 | CueballUK: eh? install and use. |
| 02:44.07 | muncc2beo | bob2: somiaj: I see a lot of people reporting the error, but no fixes :( |
| 02:44.14 | bob2 | muncc2beo: transcode is broken. |
| 02:44.33 | bob2 | muncc2beo: do the .debs from marillat.free.fr work? |
| 02:44.34 | rainbow_ | smunt__, what do i do about this error? Found an entry in the 'db' table with empty database name; Skipped , then it doesnt allow access |
| 02:44.35 | muncc2beo | bob2: oh, that's not good |
| 02:44.36 | bztunk | muncc2beo: yes, but you should use oggenc/mp3 for the audio encoding |
| 02:45.05 | bztunk | s/mp3/lame |
| 02:45.07 | somiaj | muncc2beo: mencoder is the dvd encoder that comes with mplayer. |
| 02:45.11 | muncc2beo | bob2: I get this error from apt-get: transcode: Depends: libavifile-0.7c102 (>= 1:0.7.38.20030710-1) but it is not installable |
| 02:45.13 | smunt__ | rainbow_, don't know, try google for it |
| 02:45.18 | rainbow_ | k |
| 02:45.34 | muncc2beo | bztunk: so I don't need transcode/mencode? |
| 02:45.48 | bztunk | muncc2beo: depends what you want to exacly do |
| 02:46.13 | muncc2beo | bztunk: well, I have a DVD of a concert, and I'd like to make each song a track on a CD, so I can play it in the car |
| 02:46.15 | bztunk | muncc2beo: i think you're trying to rip dts or dolby 6.1 audio from a vob? |
| 02:46.36 | muncc2beo | bztunk: audio formats/methods/etc are way over my head |
| 02:46.43 | bztunk | muncc2beo: lol ok |
| 02:47.09 | Agrajag | how come there is group jackk which 'groups' command showing me being in, but user jackk is not listed in /etc/group under group jackk? |
| 02:47.35 | bztunk | muncc2beo: i never ripped dvds in linux, so I can't really tell you |
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| 02:47.46 | jnagyjr | Hey, does anyone know the chipset of Dell 440 Video cards wrt X? |
| 02:47.48 | bztunk | muncc2beo: but afaik mencoder can do the ripping part |
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| 02:48.00 | muncc2beo | bob2: what can I do about that apt-get error? |
| 02:48.18 | bob2 | muncc2beo: talk to marillat, I guess. assuming you're using the correct source for your version of Debian. |
| 02:48.44 | somiaj | muncc2beo: using mencoder I have been able to rip dvd's and if you read though the mplayer docs they give a nice example of how to do it, the first being just pulling the audio track off. |
| 02:49.10 | muncc2beo | somiaj: docs? as in man page? or other docs? |
| 02:49.25 | somiaj | muncc2beo: you'll have better luck reading the html documatation on mplayers website, I think that is better than the man page for most simple things. |
| 02:49.51 | muncc2beo | somiaj: ok, I'll look into that |
| 02:49.53 | somiaj | muncc2beo: the doc's also come with the mplayer source, but not sure where the html ones would be with the deb package you made. |
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| 02:50.54 | somiaj | muncc2beo: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/index.html, check out chapter 7 |
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| 02:52.20 | cafuego | Agrajag: it's in /etc/passwd, your main group. |
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| 02:53.01 | somiaj | anyone know if there is a way to compare the md5sum of an iso to the burnt cd for cd checking, comparing it to the /dev/cdrw device always returns an error when md5sum hits the end of the burn, (I also couldn't find a check option in cdrecord) |
| 02:53.25 | bztunk | somiaj: hahah you still don't have your answer :D |
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| 02:53.52 | cafuego | somiaj: Yes, cip the burnt cd to an iso, compare that to the original iso. |
| 02:53.52 | somiaj | bztunk: nope, and md5suming the whole debian cd's file systems is just a pain...(: |
| 02:54.34 | CAiRO | is there a way to find out when a certain package has been used the last time? eg when was any of the file in the packages last time accessed? |
| 02:54.37 | bob2 | somiaj: did you fixate it? |
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| 02:54.50 | somiaj | cafuego: ahh ha.....(:, though is there any other way to check the burn? |
| 02:54.54 | bob2 | CAiRO: yeah, there's a package which does that. |
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| 02:55.05 | somiaj | bob2: yea it fixates autmoatically at the end of cdrecord. |
| 02:55.28 | CAiRO | bob2: you don't know the name, by chance? |
| 02:55.33 | Agrajag | dselect |
| 02:55.40 | bob2 | CAiRO: no, sorry. |
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| 02:59.52 | smunt__ | CAiRO, auto-apt |
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| 03:01.03 | smunt__ | CAiRO, but you'll have to run all commands through it |
| 03:01.14 | initech | CAiRO: the "atime" attribute of the file? |
| 03:01.28 | muncc2beo | somiaj: with this encoding thing, I want section 7.4 - audio stream copying? |
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| 03:02.01 | bztunk | muncc2beo: yeah |
| 03:02.12 | CAiRO | initech: well, i don't know what's the best way to find it out, i just want to know if there are any packages installed where any of the files hasnt been used for 6 month |
| 03:02.23 | lordurza | anyone here could help me with some driver problems with the nvidia fx5600 on debian 3.0 |
| 03:02.24 | lordurza | ? |
| 03:02.37 | lordurza | running amd xp 2500+ |
| 03:02.44 | bztunk | dpkg: nvidia |
| 03:02.45 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is "apt-get install nvidia-glx-src" and "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-src" and then read the README.debian at /usr/share/doc/nvidia-* --> and in the glx when it says "modify your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" it means to comment out "load" "GLcore" and "load" "dri" and add the line "load" "glx" if it isn't already there. See also /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz, or ask me about nvidia debs |
| 03:02.57 | lordurza | yes indeed sept its not connected |
| 03:02.57 | somiaj | muncc2beo: I would suggest 7.1, look at the 3-pass example, where what the first pass does is just take the audio off, 'mencoder file/DVD -ovc frameno -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3 -o frameno.avi' and the file frameno.avi will just have the mp3 encoding of the audio |
| 03:03.01 | initech | CAiRO: well for packages, dunno. for file, find +atime will work |
| 03:03.08 | lordurza | so i need the drivers on disk to transfer |
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| 03:03.39 | lordurza | im having other network problems on the side with the *nix box's right now im on a winblows puter at my frnds house |
| 03:03.47 | CAiRO | initech: yes, that was my suggestion, but you'd need a script to check all files of a package and then compare the atime and then do that for every package |
| 03:04.12 | bztunk | somiaj: can't you select the container? |
| 03:04.25 | somiaj | bztunk: what do you mean? |
| 03:04.32 | lordurza | I seen drivers for the IA64 chi[pset and the fx chipset |
| 03:04.34 | bztunk | somiaj: ogm, avi, or nothing |
| 03:04.35 | sub_pop | hmm. anyone ever set up gtkam with a usb camera? how can i get it to run as a non-root user |
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| 03:04.38 | lordurza | but not for anything else ? |
| 03:04.39 | muncc2beo | somiaj: so I can change frameno.avi to myfile.mp3? |
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| 03:05.11 | somiaj | bztunk: yea, they just use the example of using lame and making an mp3, I just copied that from the doc's. |
| 03:05.12 | bztunk | muncc2beo: you can, but the result will still be an avi |
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| 03:05.16 | crypto | anyone using the GNUMail package (testing) ? it keeps crashing within 3 seconds after starting up - the error is "GNUMail[3473] connect attempt failed - No route to host" |
| 03:05.42 | muncc2beo | ok, but when I try to install mencoder, apt-get gives me this: |
| 03:05.50 | nictuku | what should i add to .xsession so gnome get's started? exec gnome-session didnt work |
| 03:05.51 | muncc2beo | mencoder-686: Depends: libasound2 (> 0.9.8) but 0.9.3-2 is to be installed |
| 03:06.02 | somiaj | muncc2beo: apt-get install libasound2 |
| 03:06.07 | nictuku | i dont know why it runs openbox as its window manager .. |
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| 03:06.19 | muncc2beo | somiaj: libasound2 is already the newest version. |
| 03:06.37 | bztunk | nictuku: use gdm, problem solved |
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| 03:07.00 | bztunk | muncc2beo: you're not using the right sources |
| 03:07.10 | somiaj | muncc2beo: hmmm, I think the problem is you have a sid mplayer source while runing sarge, you may want to just compile mplayer, or try a woody source |
| 03:07.11 | muncc2beo | bztunk: what sources should I be using? |
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| 03:07.21 | bztunk | muncc2beo: if you use woody, the woody ones |
| 03:07.30 | VolVE | hey all, I have a Woody installation with Exim running, but it can't seem to get to any external servers "unroutable mail domain" - local deliveries work fine... any ideas? :( |
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| 03:08.11 | somiaj | bztunk: he is on sarge..... |
| 03:08.19 | somiaj | bztunk: I belive. |
| 03:08.28 | bztunk | then he should use the sarge ones |
| 03:08.29 | bztunk | :D |
| 03:08.44 | muncc2beo | yeah, I'm on sarge - let me play with my sources file... |
| 03:08.59 | somiaj | bztunk: unforntally most third party package makers make for either woody or sid..... |
| 03:09.19 | bztunk | somiaj: the marillat sources have sarge sources afaik |
| 03:09.21 | Supaplex | using sed, whats a regexp that'll match the rest of the line, regardless of what it is? |
| 03:09.27 | dmmx | I just set my driver to glide, and now X won't start because it can't find it in /usr/X11R6/lib . Where is the glide driver installed? (I just installed it) |
| 03:09.43 | somiaj | bztunk: ooo, nice...(; |
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| 03:09.56 | muncc2beo | hmmm... apt won't connect to marillat.free.fr |
| 03:10.29 | bztunk | I don't understand why people with sid problems are coming here for answers |
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| 03:10.38 | bztunk | *sed |
| 03:10.38 | bztunk | :D |
| 03:10.42 | tix64 | Supaplex: what do you wanna do? |
| 03:10.43 | initech | bztunk: or worse, sarge problems |
| 03:11.04 | genetix | hi |
| 03:11.05 | bztunk | initech: hum, yeah, it's really bad hehehe |
| 03:11.06 | Supaplex | I want to truncate the remainder of the line, say after foobar. |
| 03:11.07 | muncc2beo | or in my case, a combo of the two ;) |
| 03:11.13 | briankeys | Anyone here use ondershaper? |
| 03:11.15 | somiaj | bztunk: because they think we are that great that we know everything...(: |
| 03:11.18 | briankeys | Wondershaper, rather :) |
| 03:11.18 | Supaplex | s/foobar ... // |
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| 03:11.24 | eddnnee | ok - i'd like to remove the pcmcia support modules from the startup files. anyone know where to look? |
| 03:11.38 | bztunk | eddnnee: man update-rc.d |
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| 03:11.50 | bztunk | eddnnee: or apt-get remove --purge pcmcia-cs (or something similar) |
| 03:12.03 | eddnnee | mmkay - thx. will look |
| 03:12.17 | initech | AFAIC, testing is for debian developers or dedicated users willing to fix bugs |
| 03:12.44 | snoke | what process kupdated do ? it takes mutch cpu time |
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| 03:13.01 | bztunk | ~info kupdated |
| 03:13.01 | fearl | eddnnee: dpkg -l pcmcia* | grep ^ii |
| 03:13.22 | somiaj | muncc2beo: hey I just found a nice option in mplayer, don't use mencoder, just mplayer dvd://1 -dumpaudio (it will dump the audio into ./stream.dump and then you can use any encoder to encode it to mp3/ogg format or what ever you like), don't even need mencoder. |
| 03:13.27 | bob2 | snoke: it's a kernel thread. |
| 03:13.48 | fearl | bztunk: he asked where he can find them, not how to remove them :P |
| 03:13.53 | muncc2beo | somiaj: so do I pipe it to lame or whatever? |
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| 03:14.04 | bztunk | somiaj: stream.dump will be encoded afaik |
| 03:14.12 | bob2 | briankeys: if you want help with it, try #lartc on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:14.15 | bob2 | testing is supposed to be releasable at all times. |
| 03:14.17 | snoke | bob2: yep, but what it do and why it's frees whole system ? |
| 03:14.22 | bztunk | fearl: he said "remove"... :confused: |
| 03:14.30 | bob2 | pity it's not. |
| 03:14.37 | bob2 | snoke: flushing stuff to disk, iirc. |
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| 03:15.03 | tix64 | Supaplex: sed s/'\(foobar\).*'/'\1'/ |
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| 03:15.04 | bbc | Im using openldap , and im using Ximian Evolution to access , all works fine , but I dont understand why I cant add the home phone , mobile phone , web page addres to the contacts .. i only can fill the name , job title , business phone , and address |
| 03:15.22 | somiaj | bztunk: oh you are right...damn my eyes fail me, 'Dumps raw compressed audio stream', it dumps it to ac3 format so then you'll have to convert it to mp3. |
| 03:15.26 | snoke | bob2: someting to do whit fs buffers? |
| 03:15.47 | bztunk | somiaj: yeah. and i don't know any ac3 decoder in linux :D but it shouldn't be difficult |
| 03:15.57 | hogmeat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.00 | eddnnee | i'm removing it, yup.. it doesnt seem to like my laptop, and i really don't need it |
| 03:16.01 | bztunk | hogmeat: pownd |
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| 03:16.13 | bztunk | hogmeat: by space |
| 03:16.23 | bob2 | bbc: whoever runs the server needs to give you permission to add them. |
| 03:16.29 | bob2 | snoke: yes. |
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| 03:17.04 | sosilly | What does it mean when I try to boot up a box, and lilo spits out 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 forever |
| 03:17.08 | muncc2beo | somiaj: what will convert it to mp3? |
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| 03:17.16 | muncc2beo | or ogg, which i'd pefer? |
| 03:17.28 | bbc | bob2; Alright , im running local , but its a problem with the schema used , or configuration of slapd.conf? |
| 03:17.31 | sosilly | And a stupid quesiton.. Where are the floppy bootdisk images located, apart from on the CD? |
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| 03:17.47 | bztunk | muncc2beo: oggenc will do the wav->ogg part, but donno about the ac3->wav |
| 03:17.48 | Spencer | I've never written to a mailing list before. Do I just send an E-Mail to what ever mailing list is appropriate. Example: debian-www@lists.debian.org |
| 03:17.52 | bob2 | snoke: that you need a boot disk and to read lilo's README. |
| 03:18.00 | bob2 | Spencer: yes. |
| 03:18.02 | somiaj | muncc2beo: here try this, 'http://www.perturb.org/content/dvd2mp3-2.html' it uses mplayer and lame. |
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| 03:18.18 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 03:18.22 | sosilly | bob2; where can i get this bootdisk |
| 03:18.29 | bztunk | root! |
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| 03:18.41 | the_faulk | will someone please help me |
| 03:18.46 | bztunk | the_faulk: no, you are root |
| 03:18.50 | bob2 | Sputnikc: if you're not on the list, ask for a CC or be prepared to trawl the archives looking for answeres. |
| 03:18.53 | bob2 | bbc: well, do those attributes exist? |
| 03:18.54 | somiaj | the_faulk: if you will first log out and come back in as a normal user. |
| 03:19.01 | the_faulk | ok.. |
| 03:19.02 | Whistleboy | anyone heard of complains of erratic mice under kernel 2.6? |
| 03:19.11 | the_faulk | im using xchat-text |
| 03:19.14 | the_faulk | how do i close it? |
| 03:19.17 | bob2 | bbc: if not, load more schemas. if yes, fix your ACLs. |
| 03:19.18 | bob2 | sosilly: /msg dpkg ig |
| 03:19.19 | bztunk | the_faulk: /quit |
| 03:19.21 | somiaj | the_faulk: /quit |
| 03:19.22 | bob2 | sosilly: it linsk to it |
| 03:19.26 | bbc | bob2; alright! |
| 03:19.30 | the_faulk | im in trouble |
| 03:19.45 | bpence | I'm getting this error in my log. I'm trying to get DRI working on Radeon 9000. Is this built-in to the kernel, or can I get a patch or a module to fix this, or do I have to upgrade my kernel? (I'm running 2.4.22) |
| 03:19.49 | bpence | [dri] radeon.o kernel module version is 1.1.1 but version 1.5.0 or newer is need |
| 03:19.52 | bpence | ed. |
| 03:20.00 | nvz | apt penixsmack bill gates |
| 03:20.04 | | nvz: are you using Windows? |
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| 03:20.35 | bob2 | haha |
| 03:21.01 | bztunk | bpence: try http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 03:22.16 | bpence | bztunk: thanks.. checking it out now. |
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| 03:22.33 | GomoX | how can i know the return value of a program from a shell script? |
| 03:22.44 | nvz | I am actually on a the console in Linux 2.6.0 right now.. |
| 03:22.46 | Sebulba02 | echo $? |
| 03:22.50 | Sebulba02 | I think |
| 03:22.55 | tix64 | GomoX: it's in the shell variable $? |
| 03:23.09 | GomoX | Sebulba02: mm ill check it thanks |
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| 03:23.50 | the_faulk | hello |
| 03:23.51 | the_faulk | im back |
| 03:23.55 | the_faulk | i need a lot of help |
| 03:24.06 | the_faulk | im using xchat-text |
| 03:24.10 | the_faulk | i cant get xfree to work |
| 03:24.13 | the_faulk | when i type startx |
| 03:24.16 | muncc2beo | somiaj: won't the instructions on that page rip the entire DVD into one audio file? |
| 03:24.19 | Justin_ | bpence: didnt we conclude that you had to upgrade the kernel before? |
| 03:24.33 | the_faulk | it says it says Fatal Server Error: no screens found |
| 03:24.35 | bob2 | the_faulk: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 03:24.43 | bob2 | the_faulk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, disable sue of the framebuffer |
| 03:24.48 | somiaj | the_faulk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and answer the questions corectly. |
| 03:25.08 | dippo | is there a standard way to prepend an epoch number to a package when using dh_make? |
| 03:25.13 | dippo | i can't figure it out |
| 03:25.21 | the_faulk | hhow do i close xchat-text |
| 03:25.23 | the_faulk | i mean close it |
| 03:25.26 | the_faulk | not disconnect |
| 03:25.29 | Justin_ | /close |
| 03:25.31 | somiaj | muncc2beo: yea, you'll have to split it up latter if that is what you want, you can also with mplayer tell it to only play from a->b and rip parts at a time if you want to. |
| 03:25.40 | the_faulk | ok |
| 03:25.41 | bob2 | dippo: dh_make has nothing to do with it. |
| 03:25.50 | bob2 | dippo: as I said a few horus ago, edit debian/changelog |
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| 03:26.12 | GomoX | I need to have my shell script returning the return value from another program. How can i do this? |
| 03:26.18 | the_faulk | i need help with my monitor |
| 03:26.21 | dippo | hm |
| 03:26.22 | bpence | Justin_: yeah, but for some reason, I can't upgrade to the 2.6.0, it won't compile. so I'm stuck at 2.4.22 |
| 03:26.25 | bztunk | hey btw, can anyone tell me why links 2.x is not in debian? |
| 03:26.27 | the_faulk | i dont knowi dont know the soecs |
| 03:26.29 | the_faulk | **specs |
| 03:26.35 | the_faulk | its a Compaq 7550 |
| 03:26.42 | bztunk | the_faulk: then google |
| 03:26.46 | the_faulk | i cant!! |
| 03:26.46 | bztunk | the_faulk: or lspci |
| 03:26.53 | the_faulk | i dont know how to sue lynx |
| 03:26.53 | bob2 | GomoX: exit $? |
| 03:26.56 | the_faulk | *use |
| 03:26.58 | the_faulk | im lost |
| 03:26.59 | bob2 | GomoX: but why nmot just fork. |
| 03:27.00 | tix64 | GomoX: exit $? after the other program stops. |
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| 03:27.17 | bob2 | the_faulk: /msg dpkg setup x |
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| 03:27.33 | GomoX | im really not a pro bash scripter im just creating a spamassassin checker for ximian evolution |
| 03:27.36 | GomoX | thanks all |
| 03:27.37 | jnagyjr | Hey, does anyone know what mouse type one should choose for a three-button trackball with a scroll wheel? |
| 03:27.50 | bob2 | jnagyjr: probably imps/1 |
| 03:27.51 | john | is there a debian package for openoffice.org for sarge? |
| 03:28.08 | jnagyjr | bob2: Thanks |
| 03:28.09 | bob2 | john: www.apt-get.org |
| 03:28.15 | somiaj | john: should be, try apt-cache search openoffice |
| 03:28.15 | deadcat | john: does apt-cache show anything? |
| 03:28.18 | bob2 | er, imps/2. |
| 03:28.26 | bztunk | ~info openoffice.org |
| 03:28.34 | muncc2beo | Is there a way to specify a specific DVD chapter to mplayer or mencoder? |
| 03:28.34 | dippo | bob2: thanks |
| 03:28.58 | bob2 | bztunk: that hits sid. |
| 03:29.03 | bztunk | ~info openoffice.org sarge |
| 03:29.03 | bob2 | !info openoffice.org sarge |
| 03:29.06 | bztunk | :D |
| 03:29.07 | bob2 | heh |
| 03:29.08 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (high-quality office productivity suite), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 9655 kB, Installed size: 32528 kB |
| 03:29.09 | john | ok :) |
| 03:29.17 | bob2 | ah, it's in sarge. |
| 03:29.20 | bob2 | 1.1 even. |
| 03:29.23 | john | i was trying apt-get install openoffice" |
| 03:29.24 | somiaj | muncc2beo: check the man page for info like that, -chapter <start>-<end> will tell it to play though only those chapers. |
| 03:30.30 | jnagyjr | bob2: Does it matter if the mouse is logitech? |
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| 03:30.59 | bob2 | jnagyjr: don't think so. my logitech optical scroll mouse thing uses imps/2. |
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| 03:31.24 | somiaj | john: you should learn to use apt-cache search, it helps figure out package names and other useful info...(: |
| 03:31.31 | jnagyjr | I have an Optical scroll mouse as well. *is helping a friend* |
| 03:31.36 | the_faulk | i tried to recit still doesnt work |
| 03:31.43 | the_faulk | i answered all the questions right |
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| 03:31.45 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 03:31.48 | ganjasmoker | hi |
| 03:31.56 | somiaj | the_faulk: if you hit ctrl-alt-f2 (f3, f4) you should get different consoles so you can talk here and work with configuring in another consle. |
| 03:32.10 | Acid`X | lol |
| 03:32.13 | somiaj | the_faulk: what video card are you using? |
| 03:32.18 | the_faulk | ProSavage |
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| 03:32.44 | ganjasmoker | how i change my graphc settings? |
| 03:32.44 | the_faulk | somiaj: it doesnt work |
| 03:33.36 | the_faulk | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:33.36 | ganjasmoker | thx |
| 03:33.36 | the_faulk | i hope that was right... |
| 03:33.36 | ganjasmoker | i try it |
| 03:33.36 | mait | dpkg: unable to lock dpkg status database: No locks available |
| 03:33.36 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, mait |
| 03:33.37 | the_faulk | ok |
| 03:33.37 | mait | How should I get NFS to lock? |
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| 03:33.48 | bob2 | don't put /var on NFS. |
| 03:33.54 | bob2 | or, if you do, use a proper NFS server. |
| 03:33.58 | bob2 | like the kernel one. |
| 03:33.59 | mait | hard to do, diskless. |
| 03:34.16 | the_faulk | slackslack did just fine with my monitor and card |
| 03:34.20 | neqm | configure: error: This program requires STL to compile. Sorry. |
| 03:34.22 | the_faulk | whoops |
| 03:34.29 | mait | I would hope my debian box would be a proper NFS server. what did I miss? |
| 03:34.37 | neqm | i've already installed libstl-common and still i'am getting this error, any hints? |
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| 03:34.46 | ganjasmoker | what i must select for a driver? |
| 03:34.56 | ganjasmoker | i have geforce 4 ti 4600 |
| 03:34.56 | the_faulk | i dont know |
| 03:34.57 | bob2 | mait: install build-essential |
| 03:35.00 | Sebulba02 | neqm: libstl-dev maybe? |
| 03:35.02 | daveb | how can I tell what the default character encoding for my filesystem is? |
| 03:35.16 | the_faulk | im in trouble too |
| 03:35.19 | ganjasmoker | the_faulk, no idea? |
| 03:35.23 | the_faulk | nope |
| 03:35.24 | bob2 | do filesystems have character encodings? |
| 03:35.31 | bob2 | the_faulk: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 03:35.46 | somiaj | ganjasmoker: 'vesa' is generic vga that sucks but will work, if you want to get drivers for your nvidia card, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 03:36.02 | mait | Sorry, build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 03:36.08 | bztunk | bob2: that's what, 3 times now you say that? :D |
| 03:36.09 | daveb | I am writing some code that creates a file. the filename is in unicode encoded as UTF-8 |
| 03:36.13 | the_faulk | sayno frame buffer? |
| 03:36.19 | the_faulk | i say no to it? |
| 03:36.20 | daveb | when I create the file, the filename is screwed up. |
| 03:36.22 | Justin_ | 'vesa' is not generic vga, its vesa |
| 03:36.25 | bob2 | the_faulk: yes |
| 03:36.26 | Justin_ | 'vga' is generic vga |
| 03:37.15 | the_faulk | that might be problem |
| 03:37.15 | ganjasmoker | its heavy to install this driver somiaj? |
| 03:37.15 | bob2 | mait: then you need the STL headers. the G++ ones should work fine. |
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| 03:37.15 | ecstatix | hi |
| 03:37.15 | bob2 | mait: if it wants stl port, then what Sebulba02 said |
| 03:37.15 | Justin_ | yay, my quota bug was fixed :-) |
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| 03:37.50 | Sergey | http://www.audiowarezs.newmail.ru Excellent(Different) site. Pay 30 dollars through Western Union and swing all. |
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| 03:38.03 | bztunk | hahaah |
| 03:38.05 | bztunk | audiowarezs |
| 03:38.10 | JohnC | Hi, im trying to use the glx module with X but if I select it and try to run X it tells me module not found, what package do I need to make it work? |
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| 03:38.29 | mait | bob2: ? |
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| 03:38.59 | the_faulk | whoops |
| 03:39.02 | ganjasmoker | couldn't find package nvidia-glx-src |
| 03:39.09 | ecstatix | why are apt and apt-utils being upgraded everyday in unstable? or is tht regular? |
| 03:39.23 | bztunk | ecstatix: read the changelog heh |
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| 03:39.47 | ecstatix | bztunk: where can i check the changelog? |
| 03:39.49 | ganjasmoker | couldn't find package nvidia-glx-src <- whats wrong? |
| 03:39.53 | jonathan | still not working... |
| 03:40.09 | deadcat | ecstatix: /usr/share/doc/ |
| 03:40.12 | bztunk | ecstatix: /usr/share/doc/<pakage name>/changelog<.debian>.gz |
| 03:40.20 | the_faulk | coucould someone please look up my monitor |
| 03:40.25 | the_faulk | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.27 | ecstatix | deadcat: bztunk: thanks |
| 03:40.33 | bob2 | the_faulk: use links. |
| 03:40.36 | bob2 | the_faulk: come on. |
| 03:40.40 | bob2 | ganjasmoker: read the fine BTS |
| 03:40.41 | the_faulk | ok |
| 03:40.46 | the_faulk | i just type 'links' |
| 03:40.47 | the_faulk | ? |
| 03:40.52 | the_faulk | does it support frames? |
| 03:40.59 | ganjasmoker | BTS? |
| 03:40.59 | ecstatix | yes |
| 03:41.03 | bztunk | ~bts |
| 03:41.06 | | [bts] bug tracking system |
| 03:41.06 | ecstatix | links, elinks, e3m |
| 03:41.06 | deadcat | the_faulk: try it first. |
| 03:41.08 | ecstatix | err, w3m |
| 03:41.13 | the_faulk | what should i google for? |
| 03:41.13 | bob2 | !+bts |
| 03:41.13 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts, too |
| 03:41.24 | the_faulk | im not sure of any keywords |
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| 03:41.46 | deadcat | the_faulk: search for "when monitors go bad" |
| 03:41.48 | the_faulk | compaq 7550 specs? |
| 03:41.59 | cappicard | hrmm... this is pathetic... my cable line is good enough for my cable modem and yet I can't get a picture worth a damn on the tuner! |
| 03:42.00 | bob2 | the_faulk: ffs. |
| 03:42.03 | bob2 | the_faulk: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 03:42.07 | bztunk | hahha |
| 03:42.09 | bztunk | 4th time |
| 03:42.14 | cappicard | and yet I can use an antenna just fine |
| 03:42.15 | the_faulk | i already have |
| 03:42.20 | bob2 | cappicard: download divx's of all your favourite TV shows. |
| 03:42.20 | deadcat | the_faulk: you are lazier than me... damn thats bad. |
| 03:42.21 | the_faulk | whats ffs mean? |
| 03:42.27 | the_faulk | no im just scared |
| 03:42.28 | bob2 | the_faulk: did you actually FOLLOW ALL the steps? |
| 03:42.34 | the_faulk | yes |
| 03:42.37 | cappicard | it's my tv tuner |
| 03:42.39 | the_faulk | ive tried reconfiguring it |
| 03:42.47 | the_faulk | i just dont know how to use the net in console mode |
| 03:42.48 | cappicard | evidently my signal is shot to hell |
| 03:43.06 | bztunk | the_faulk: why did it fuck anyways? |
| 03:43.11 | the_faulk | i dunno |
| 03:43.15 | the_faulk | the installation was good |
| 03:43.16 | bztunk | cappicard: analog cable = teh sux0rs |
| 03:43.18 | the_faulk | then i typed startx |
| 03:43.22 | the_faulk | no worky |
| 03:43.25 | the_faulk | i freaked out |
| 03:43.31 | the_faulk | then i realized xchat wasnt installed |
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| 03:43.51 | ecstatix | xchat-text |
| 03:43.56 | yaman | ok... whats the easiest way to remove every package related to KDE? |
| 03:43.58 | the_faulk | but apt-get got me out of that one |
| 03:44.02 | the_faulk | im using xchat-text |
| 03:44.13 | cappicard | i'm surprised my cable modem isn't goofing up. I had my modem and the tuner going off a splitter. My modem is still fine and yet a very fuzzy picture if any on the tuner |
| 03:44.14 | bztunk | yaman: remove like, qt and kdelibs |
| 03:44.17 | the_faulk | the only text browser i knew about was links |
| 03:44.20 | the_faulk | err lynx |
| 03:44.23 | rainbow_ | question : i installed php-nuke , followed the instructions, and now it tries to download the php pages as files instead of opening the pages , what is the problem ? |
| 03:44.38 | ecstatix | heh |
| 03:44.40 | GomoX | rainbow_: apache configuration |
| 03:44.45 | Justin_ | cappicard: maybe the splitter is crap? |
| 03:45.12 | rainbow_ | GomoX, can you elaborate? i dont know what to change |
| 03:45.32 | mait | does 2.6.0 not have a good NFS server? |
| 03:45.32 | yaman | bztunk: it says theyre not installed..but its lying |
| 03:45.40 | GomoX | rainbow_: do an "cat -n /etc/apache/httpd.conf | grep -i php" |
| 03:45.49 | GomoX | you have to work on those lines, mostly |
| 03:45.52 | bztunk | yaman: well, apt doesn't lie |
| 03:46.00 | yaman | bztunk: then why can i "startkde"? |
| 03:46.01 | cappicard | Justin_, I've replaced my splitter and still nothing |
| 03:46.03 | greycat | mait: probably better than the NFS client. |
| 03:46.09 | GomoX | (the number is the number line, of course) |
| 03:46.15 | Justin_ | cappicard: cables? |
| 03:46.18 | cappicard | I even hooked up the tuner directly to the wall. still getting a crappy picture |
| 03:46.34 | bztunk | yaman: because it's possible that the startkde package doesn't need kdelibs or qt |
| 03:46.40 | cappicard | I've tried using the cable I normally use for my modem... still crap |
| 03:46.41 | ecstatix | restating X, XFCE4 update |
| 03:46.43 | tix64 | yaman: what does 'which startkde' give you? |
| 03:46.55 | cappicard | I may need a damn amplifier |
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| 03:47.18 | Justin_ | yaman: remove libqt3c102-mt |
| 03:47.23 | muncc2beo | Man, the audio quality sucks. It "skips" every so often, and I used -cache 24576 with mencoder. Any ideas? |
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| 03:47.27 | yaman | tix64: /usr/bin/startkde |
| 03:47.28 | rainbow_ | GomoX, thanks, hope i dont mess it up more trying this :) |
| 03:47.28 | Justin_ | or kdelibs4 |
| 03:47.30 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 03:47.34 | Justin_ | and stop using apt-get |
| 03:47.35 | tix64 | yaman: and kdelibs4 is definitely not installed? |
| 03:48.04 | mait | client: Linux indigo2 2.4.16 #1 Sun Dec 16 16:38:44 CET 2001 mips unknown |
| 03:48.09 | yaman | tix64: that was it. i thought it was 3 that was installed.. thanks |
| 03:48.29 | greycat | !nfs client |
| 03:48.29 | dpkg | Linux's NFS client code is EXTREMELY broken, especially in all 2.4.x kernels. If your OpenBSD server and your Linux client aren't seeing eye to eye, then: (1) on the Linux side, mount NFS file systems with "nolock"; (2) on the OpenBSD side, don't put "scrub in all" in pf.conf, because Linux is emitting packets that pf scrubs out of existence. Linux 2.2.x does not suffer from the latter issue. OpenBSD 3.3 may have a scrub workaround. |
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| 03:49.25 | mait | Hmm. hope -o remount will let me add a nolock option... |
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| 03:49.58 | digital | can someone help me fix apt on my debian box? |
| 03:50.04 | Jebediah | Has anybody had problems with updating sarge today? I'm getting segfaults with apt when it tries to fetch stuff from the net |
| 03:50.15 | Jebediah | digital: is it segfaulting for you too? |
| 03:50.21 | digital | No |
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| 03:50.36 | Jebediah | digital: what's it doing then? |
| 03:50.39 | the_faulk | hey |
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| 03:50.50 | the_faulk | how do i figure out the bus my monitor is on? |
| 03:51.01 | digital | I told apt to install something that I shouldn't have and now it's stuck in this loop trying to install and uninstall stuff. |
| 03:51.09 | ljlane | the_faulk, single monitor? |
| 03:51.12 | the_faulk | yes |
| 03:51.14 | bob2 | the_faulk: what? if it's asking for the busid of your videocard, leave it blank. |
| 03:51.20 | the_faulk | ok i did |
| 03:51.22 | ljlane | the_faulk: leave it blank |
| 03:51.24 | bob2 | digital: that's not apt. |
| 03:51.27 | the_faulk | and i answered all the questions correctly |
| 03:51.31 | the_faulk | and it still doesnt work |
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| 03:51.36 | bob2 | Jebediah: run debsums to look for corruption, then file a bug. |
| 03:51.42 | digital | bob2: Then what is it? |
| 03:51.47 | bghfhfg | Where is the .jigdo file for the Debian 3.0r2 DVD? |
| 03:51.47 | bob2 | the_faulk: ffs, did you actually do EVERY SINGLE STEP in that factoid? |
| 03:51.52 | Jebediah | digital: those can be a pain... can you kill it and do apt-get clean |
| 03:51.54 | bob2 | digital: dpkg. paste the full error to #flood. |
| 03:52.00 | Jebediah | bob2L will do |
| 03:52.17 | the_faulk | how do i get the factoid again? |
| 03:52.21 | digital | Jebediah: Tried that but it didn't work |
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| 03:52.33 | the_faulk | need to double check |
| 03:52.40 | the_faulk | im pretty sure i did though |
| 03:52.55 | the_faulk | there was something else it said... |
| 03:52.56 | bob2 | the_faulk: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 03:52.57 | the_faulk | ok |
| 03:53.00 | ecstatix | how do you clean up the old packages that apt-get got to /var/cache/apt/archives? you simple go into the directory and rm *.deb? |
| 03:53.12 | Jebediah | digital: not sure then... can you open a priv and message me the errors? |
| 03:53.14 | tix64 | ecstatix: apt-get clean |
| 03:53.27 | ecstatix | thanks tix |
| 03:54.09 | ecstatix | wow. close to 1.4gigs cleaned |
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| 03:54.46 | digital | bob2: Just pasted the error to #flood |
| 03:56.57 | Justin_ | !depends xlibs-dev woody |
| 03:57.01 | karsten | What's a decent console mixer? |
| 03:57.06 | dpkg | xlibs-dev: depends on xlibs (= 4.1.0-16woody1), libc6-dev |
| 03:57.07 | Justin_ | aumix |
| 03:57.12 | karsten | Justin_: Thanks |
| 03:57.28 | grew | awww someone took back justin's +q D: |
| 03:57.43 | simonrvn | grew: shush you |
| 03:57.55 | grew | hehe |
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| 03:59.37 | the_faulk | is still wotn work :-( |
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| 04:00.35 | the_faulk | my monitor is 65Hz, the xfree config only had 60 and 75Hz, which should i have chosen? |
| 04:00.58 | bztunk | the_faulk: 60hz |
| 04:01.01 | bztunk | the_faulk: but ouch |
| 04:01.07 | the_faulk | thats what i chose |
| 04:01.10 | the_faulk | why you say ouch? |
| 04:01.23 | bztunk | 60hz -> eyes fucked |
| 04:01.33 | basho | not with tft |
| 04:01.43 | bztunk | whatever hhe |
| 04:01.49 | the_faulk | its a 17" ;-) |
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| 04:01.57 | the_faulk | that could be the reason for my eye problems! |
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| 04:02.14 | the_faulk | seruously... |
| 04:02.15 | bztunk | it's possible, yes |
| 04:02.17 | basho | well if its a 17" crt you should throw it away |
| 04:02.23 | the_faulk | why? |
| 04:02.24 | Jebediah | bob2: I'm trying that but I get so many errors about not having md5sums it's impossible to sort thru :( |
| 04:02.25 | basho | its really bad for the eyes |
| 04:02.43 | basho | 75hz is minimum... good is 85 hz |
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| 04:02.59 | the_faulk | well onto the problem at hand... |
| 04:03.42 | bztunk | 50hz progressive... big ouch |
| 04:03.51 | basho | i liked my ol 19" with 1280@80hz but the radiation still was evil |
| 04:03.51 | the_faulk | i have a integrated ProSavageDDR KM266 with 32MB of shared video memory |
| 04:04.00 | toto | quit |
| 04:04.04 | the_faulk | i chose the "savage" thing on the configuration thing |
| 04:04.30 | basho | found out that tft in front of me is best for the eyes... never had headaches from screen again |
| 04:04.34 | bztunk | the_faulk: she can? |
| 04:04.39 | the_faulk | she does |
| 04:04.40 | basho | the_faulk, haha cool |
| 04:04.45 | the_faulk | i use slackware |
| 04:04.55 | bztunk | the_faulk: you are dumber than your gf? |
| 04:04.56 | basho | hmm that fits then... |
| 04:04.57 | the_faulk | she was showing me apt-get and i was like thats awesome |
| 04:05.02 | muncc2beo | I liked slackware, except for the BSD style init scripts |
| 04:05.05 | basho | :-P |
| 04:05.08 | muncc2beo | Hence, I use debian |
| 04:05.11 | the_faulk | so she told me to downloaded debian |
| 04:05.12 | the_faulk | and i did |
| 04:05.17 | the_faulk | but now she is on vacation |
| 04:05.22 | basho | muncc2beo, i thought thats the only reason to use it?? lol |
| 04:05.25 | the_faulk | and i cant get this xfree fixed |
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| 04:06.00 | lee | How can I save/restore package states for swift/mass installs? |
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| 04:06.03 | basho | yikes the_faulk when doing dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 you should select the advanced option so you can put in everything by yourself |
| 04:06.14 | the_faulk | i did |
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| 04:06.27 | basho | hmm it didnt work correctly? |
| 04:06.29 | bztunk | the_faulk: do you have any (EE)? |
| 04:06.31 | the_faulk | i was unsure of the vertical/horizontal configs though |
| 04:06.37 | basho | aah ic |
| 04:06.39 | the_faulk | whats EE? |
| 04:06.46 | bztunk | the_faulk: errors in the log |
| 04:06.53 | the_faulk | how do i check? |
| 04:06.56 | tix64 | lee: you can get a list of installed packages for later use with 'dpkg --get-selections > list'. to use that list later run 'dpkg --set-selections < list ; apt-get dselect-upgrade'. |
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| 04:07.12 | basho | the_faulk, when doing startx it shows you some on console |
| 04:07.18 | bztunk | the_faulk: check /var/log/XFree86.something |
| 04:07.19 | the_faulk | the error i alwats get is "Fatal Server Errorno screens found" |
| 04:07.26 | the_faulk | ok |
| 04:07.39 | lee | thanx tix64 |
| 04:07.47 | the_faulk | no screens found... |
| 04:07.55 | yaman | how do i make terminal fonts less blurry for LCD screens? |
| 04:07.57 | tacocat | the_faulk: What is the permissions on /tmp? |
| 04:08.02 | basho | the_faulk, and XFree86 has worked before? |
| 04:08.07 | basho | maybe you're missing a package... |
| 04:08.08 | the_faulk | on slack, yes |
| 04:08.13 | the_faulk | on debian, no |
| 04:08.20 | the_faulk | i just installed debian |
| 04:08.25 | the_faulk | got rid of slack completely |
| 04:08.28 | mwilson | the_faulk: In which case you read the ENTIRE log and find out why it's not creating any valid screens. |
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| 04:08.39 | tacocat | the_faulk: What is the permissions on /tmp? |
| 04:08.45 | bghfhfg | Where is the .jigdo file for the Debian 3.0r2 DVD? |
| 04:08.45 | the_faulk | how do i check? |
| 04:08.52 | tacocat | ls -l / |
| 04:08.56 | the_faulk | brb |
| 04:09.01 | basho | i like ls -ld /tmp |
| 04:09.02 | bztunk | ~rot13 bghfhfg |
| 04:09.02 | | otusust |
| 04:09.04 | mwilson | bghfhfg: What 3.0r2 DVD? Are you creating one? |
| 04:09.11 | basho | ~bronk |
| 04:09.15 | the_faulk | i cant get the mutli-console thing to work :-( |
| 04:09.36 | tacocat | basho: whatever... I keep forgetting because I use Solaris @ work and it's lame. |
| 04:09.37 | bghfhfg | I'd like to burn 3.0r2 to a DVD and can't find a .jigdo file. |
| 04:09.38 | basho | multi-console? just do alt+f2 ? |
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| 04:09.44 | bztunk | the_faulk: then you really suck lol |
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| 04:09.45 | the_faulk | doesnt work |
| 04:09.53 | Jebediah | buht: I think I know ye |
| 04:09.57 | mwilson | bghfhfg: Probably because you haven't created one. |
| 04:10.00 | basho | tacocat, yah solaris slows it all down |
| 04:10.00 | tacocat | ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 04:10.05 | buht | Jebediah : yah? |
| 04:10.12 | the_faulk | doesnt work either\ |
| 04:10.12 | deadcat | the_faulk: ps -ef shows that you have any tty? |
| 04:10.16 | Jebediah | buht: ja, you used to live in MN |
| 04:10.22 | bghfhfg | Huh? I was looking to download a DVD, not make one. |
| 04:10.25 | the_faulk | ill check |
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| 04:10.34 | buht | Jebediah : charley? |
| 04:10.38 | the_faulk | since i have to close xchat to do shell commands... |
| 04:10.42 | Jebediah | buht: indeed :) |
| 04:10.49 | mwilson | bghfhfg: I'm happy for you. Just because you WANT something, however, has no bearing on whether it exists or not. |
| 04:10.50 | buht | Jebediah : i used to work at unique software |
| 04:10.59 | tacocat | the_faulk: I had xfree problem where root worked but non-root failed. /tmp wasn't allowing temp files from 'users' |
| 04:11.00 | bghfhfg | Does it? |
| 04:11.02 | Jebediah | buht: hehe, no way! |
| 04:11.10 | the_faulk | i tried it in root |
| 04:11.12 | mwilson | bghfhfg: No. |
| 04:11.14 | the_faulk | and it still wouldnt work |
| 04:11.18 | tacocat | And it didn't work? |
| 04:11.21 | the_faulk | nope |
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| 04:11.28 | the_faulk | no screens found |
| 04:11.30 | bghfhfg | Hmmm... Then I'll make one. |
| 04:11.33 | tacocat | Then it's not the /tmp problem... |
| 04:11.40 | mwilson | bghfhfg: Nor for 3.0r1, and not really for 3.0r0 |
| 04:11.44 | deadcat | the_faulk: you fucked up your machine. |
| 04:11.52 | basho | which packets are needed to get a X running? |
| 04:11.57 | the_faulk | deadcat: how? |
| 04:11.58 | mwilson | bghfhfg: exception... there are unofficial ones for 3.0r1 |
| 04:12.04 | deadcat | basho: x-window-system |
| 04:12.08 | the_faulk | all i did was download debian and install it |
| 04:12.13 | tacocat | check /var/log/XFree.log.0, ~/.xsession-errors, and /var/log/system. Gotta be an answer in there. |
| 04:12.14 | basho | ah ok.... |
| 04:12.16 | deadcat | the_faulk: i dont know.. i didnt fucked it up |
| 04:12.22 | the_faulk | it just wont work graphics |
| 04:12.26 | basho | i'm always forgetting some packages lol |
| 04:12.28 | buht | hey all, do i need to do any special configuration to get a linux box to act as a caching name server? so it will do dns request for other machines with out the need of running its own dns? |
| 04:12.36 | the_faulk | i have mandrake disks... |
| 04:12.47 | mwilson | Oh, cute... the new glabels depends on scrollkeeper but doesn't declare it. |
| 04:12.54 | basho | i still think you might have some missing packages man :-P |
| 04:12.59 | mwilson | Guess there's another package I won't be able to use any more. |
| 04:13.05 | the_faulk | who me? |
| 04:13.06 | the_faulk | yeah |
| 04:13.10 | basho | else just use some dumbproof settings... |
| 04:13.11 | tacocat | buht: The default configuration is almost a dns-cache for bind. rtm the config files and you should be able to get there |
| 04:13.12 | the_faulk | when i was downloading packages |
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| 04:13.16 | bghfhfg | Where? |
| 04:13.23 | basho | the_faulk, did you do apt-get install x-window-system = |
| 04:13.23 | the_faulk | it said i had trouble unpacking them |
| 04:13.25 | bztunk | ~info glabels |
| 04:13.27 | basho | oh... |
| 04:13.34 | the_faulk | or something... |
| 04:13.40 | buht | tacocat : ok thanks, dns-cache mans ? |
| 04:13.44 | basho | the_faulk, might have to do apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade again or something |
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| 04:14.10 | bghfhfg | mwilson: Where? |
| 04:14.23 | mwilson | bztunk: The crapware fondly known as scrollkeeper is not allowed on any box I control. |
| 04:14.56 | mwilson | bghfhfg: Where, what? |
| 04:15.02 | muncc2beo | what does scrollkeeper do? |
| 04:15.08 | bghfhfg | Where are the 3.0r1 DVDs? |
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| 04:15.20 | bztunk | mwilson: heh. I don't understand why like 10 debs are necessary for docs |
| 04:15.26 | basho | wow.. it dosnt fit on 1 DVD ? |
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| 04:15.45 | the_faulk | i have the latest version of x-window-system installed |
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| 04:15.50 | the_faulk | any other ideas? |
| 04:15.57 | the_faulk | i want debian so bad |
| 04:15.58 | mwilson | So he hasks, then he immediately quits. Typical cluebie. |
| 04:16.04 | chacal | how to uncompress this file : jpep021210kg.zip ??? |
| 04:16.15 | deadcat | the_faulk: try going to a local LUG meeting |
| 04:16.17 | bztunk | chacal: unzip? |
| 04:16.18 | basho | the_faulk, ok.. guess you have to do the reconfigure again then... try the beginner thing |
| 04:16.22 | mwilson | bztunk: scrollkeeper is typical undocumented Gnome crap. |
| 04:16.31 | the_faulk | ok |
| 04:16.42 | basho | the_faulk, i did that at first too so it looked like shit but at least it was running and i could tweak |
| 04:16.44 | chacal | bztunk oww...sorry. i did not notice it was owned by root :D |
| 04:16.44 | the_faulk | why cant i get multiple consoles? |
| 04:16.55 | basho | the_faulk, it has to work usually... no clue why |
| 04:17.01 | basho | the_faulk, i never had none |
| 04:17.05 | basho | (only at OpenBSD) |
| 04:17.13 | the_faulk | slack had them |
| 04:17.16 | the_faulk | brb |
| 04:17.51 | deadcat | i keept hearing ppl say bsd is so good but nobody use them.. any idea? |
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| 04:18.07 | mwilson | ~find scrollkeeper-update |
| 04:18.26 | mwilson | hm, is that in the main scrollkeeper package, or in the library package... |
| 04:18.30 | basho | um... i think FreeBSD is oK as a linux-replacement if you dont mind that less software is available |
| 04:18.31 | bztunk | deadcat: linux or bsd, there's nothing really different if you know how to admin |
| 04:18.44 | mwilson | The main package. |
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| 04:18.50 | burd | I installed webmin 1.120 from testing and then I upgraded via the webmin interface to 1.121. tonight I ran dselect and it said it was upgrading the webmin and now I have packages I can't uninstall nor configure any suggestions? |
| 04:18.56 | bztunk | mwilson: does glabel runs without scrollkeeper? |
| 04:19.16 | basho | FBSD also makes some things easier for you cause it feels more grown up.. not so many choices etc... just a working solid thing |
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| 04:19.33 | mwilson | bztunk: The binary? Sure. It uses scrollkeeper to register its documentation for Gnome. |
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| 04:19.36 | the_faulk | reconfigured it, still not working |
| 04:19.51 | bztunk | mwilson: ok, so why are you complaining heh? |
| 04:19.54 | the_faulk | i think i might be doing it wrong |
| 04:19.55 | basho | the_faulk, what graficcard are you using? |
| 04:20.01 | the_faulk | ProSavage |
| 04:20.16 | Aphrum | I used to use the sf.net emu10k1 driver but now i am using the alsa based kernel one, and i have my audigy card detected but when i try to play a file with mpg123 i get can't find a suitable libao driver (Is device in use?) |
| 04:20.16 | basho | hmmm... shame you didnt keep your ol Xconfig |
| 04:20.19 | the_faulk | i think im messing up on the graphics card, cause im sure the monitor is correct |
| 04:20.26 | deadcat | the_faulk: since you dont even have tty2+. why not just reisntall it.. |
| 04:20.42 | basho | the_faulk, yeah i would reinstall, too... that behaviour isnt normal... |
| 04:20.43 | DCH | where can i find a complete list of all supported graphics cards for kde? |
| 04:20.49 | the_faulk | reinstall what? |
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| 04:20.59 | basho | DCH, um... you need to search for Xfree86 |
| 04:21.06 | deadcat | DCH: why does it have to be kde? |
| 04:21.08 | bztunk | DCH: hum, kde doesn't care about graphics cards |
| 04:21.18 | the_faulk | xfree does... |
| 04:21.24 | the_faulk | and xfree hates me, apparently |
| 04:21.28 | DCH | well, whatever |
| 04:21.31 | basho | the_faulk, the whole thing.... i'd reinstall it all |
| 04:21.37 | the_faulk | the whole system?!? |
| 04:21.39 | bztunk | DCH: almost everything is supported anyways |
| 04:21.40 | Aphrum | anyone here know anything about alsa? my device is detected but mpg123 won't play files |
| 04:21.50 | DCH | apparently not my card |
| 04:21.54 | deadcat | the_faulk: sounds like you have nothing on your box anyway.. |
| 04:21.58 | bztunk | deadcat: witch is? |
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| 04:22.03 | bztunk | deadcat: witch is? |
| 04:22.16 | bztunk | omg |
| 04:22.19 | deadcat | bztunk: ? |
| 04:22.24 | bztunk | deadcat: sorry heh |
| 04:22.31 | bztunk | DCH: your card is? |
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| 04:22.39 | the_faulk | wait.. |
| 04:22.41 | basho | the_faulk, i reinstalled a lot when i started with debian iirc... one needs to get used to it a little and can misconfigure |
| 04:22.49 | DCH | S3 ViRGE DX/GX |
| 04:23.03 | mwilson | bztunk: I have to think that glabels deps are fscked up... it declares dependencies against just about each Gnome package, individually. Including some really STUPID ones. |
| 04:23.03 | the_faulk | before i reinstall i wanna make sure i get the graphics card right... |
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| 04:23.25 | bztunk | mwilson: hahahaha. it's possible, some maintainers are dumb hehe |
| 04:23.28 | deadcat | the_faulk: your box is so fucked up. console is not working right. |
| 04:23.44 | bztunk | DCH: afaik it's supported, but i never used s3 stuff |
| 04:23.51 | basho | the_faulk, well you should know the driver... thats the most important part... |
| 04:23.54 | burd | DCH: the S3 Virge is a standard card, but rom my meory it will not run very well at 16 bit or higher |
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| 04:24.06 | ToreSB | burd: That's poppycock. |
| 04:24.08 | the_faulk | i wouls savage for prosavage right? |
| 04:24.14 | basho | the_faulk, yeah i think deadcat is right.. i never heard of a system without working multiconsole |
| 04:24.20 | burd | ToreSB? |
| 04:24.23 | ToreSB | burd: The Virge works brilliantly at all depths. |
| 04:24.33 | DCH | well, i get a box that comes up that says gui failed to start, prolly b/c the card wasn't detected |
| 04:24.35 | ToreSB | burd: I until recently (rip) used one. |
| 04:24.42 | burd | Tore.. from my experiences the virge got slow higher than 16 bit |
| 04:24.43 | the_faulk | how come it takes so long to do a check on my hard disk partitions? |
| 04:24.48 | the_faulk | it takes like a hour |
| 04:24.58 | the_faulk | and i have a 1.53GHz processor |
| 04:25.00 | Justin_ | the_faulk: your drive is slow? |
| 04:25.03 | basho | the_faulk, it shouldnt.... if i was you i would disable that extensive block testing etc |
| 04:25.04 | deadcat | the_faulk: maybe its time you get a new machine. |
| 04:25.04 | ToreSB | burd: It may because mine was a /DX |
| 04:25.06 | the_faulk | is that normal? |
| 04:25.10 | burd | ahhh |
| 04:25.12 | the_faulk | i just bought this!!! |
| 04:25.15 | yaman | .... why does 2.6 take sooo long to compile |
| 04:25.16 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:25.18 | Justin_ | for a slow drive, yes |
| 04:25.20 | ludwig | the_faulk: get faster hard drives. or enable dma |
| 04:25.24 | the_faulk | its a compaq presario 6000 |
| 04:25.29 | the_faulk | brand new |
| 04:25.29 | burd | the virge runs awesome in sunOS9 ;) |
| 04:25.34 | burd | and CDE |
| 04:25.36 | ToreSB | burd: And I've known DX suffixes to make differences. :) *386 comes to mind :)* |
| 04:25.39 | basho | haha oh shit man |
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| 04:25.53 | basho | the_faulk, maybe its the hardware then... |
| 04:25.56 | the_faulk | no |
| 04:26.00 | basho | the_faulk, raid adapter? |
| 04:26.00 | Justin_ | the_faulk: eh? what kind of brand new computer is 1.53ghz? |
| 04:26.02 | tix64 | yaman: huh, it doesn't take much longer than a 2.4.x compile. |
| 04:26.03 | the_faulk | the hardware is good |
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| 04:26.20 | Caim | does anyone here have any suggestions on what filesystem might be best employed on a laptop (in the hopes of minimizing power use/cpu overhead)? |
| 04:26.21 | basho | the_faulk, and it worked with slackware right? |
| 04:26.22 | the_faulk | 3 months old... |
| 04:26.26 | the_faulk | perfectly |
| 04:26.26 | burd | i know there is a dpkg command ro somethign that can fix my broken packages i just can't think of it right now |
| 04:26.32 | bztunk | Caim: ext2 |
| 04:26.39 | deadcat | the_faulk: then stick with slack. |
| 04:26.43 | Caim | bztunk: make that a journaling fs. |
| 04:26.44 | basho | the_faulk, i think you might have selected some stuff during install that made it slow |
| 04:26.49 | the_faulk | i cant find the damn disks now!!! |
| 04:26.55 | deadcat | arg |
| 04:26.55 | mwilson | bztunk: Bug filed. |
| 04:27.00 | simonrvn | Caim: on a lappy? why? makes no sense |
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| 04:27.13 | yaman | tix64: it took me less than 5 minutes to compile 2.4, but for some reason its taking me >30 for 2.6... and i even disabled all the modules i dont need! |
| 04:27.16 | Caim | bztunk: I know ext2 would be 'best', but it's also not terribly good when problems are encountered. |
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| 04:27.20 | Caim | simonrvn: why not? |
| 04:27.23 | mwilson | bztunk: Not that it matters... another application becomes tightly tied to Gnome and thus un-usable. |
| 04:27.30 | basho | the_faulk, one shouldnt check that extensive testing while partitioning.. that usually takes a lot of time... the format itself is very fast |
| 04:27.41 | the_faulk | yeah it is |
| 04:27.49 | simonrvn | Caim: because for the simple reason a journalling fs you use more battery power to write to disk.. think about it |
| 04:27.52 | the_faulk | but when i initialize the linux parition |
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| 04:27.56 | the_faulk | it takes forever to check |
| 04:28.01 | tix64 | yaman: then something went wrong (or at least differently). |
| 04:28.07 | basho | initialise? you mean mount ? |
| 04:28.08 | deadcat | the_faulk: i think you got jiffed. |
| 04:28.08 | bztunk | mwilson: well, i think some apps *should* be integrated into gnome... because i think linux should be for everyone, even dumbasses |
| 04:28.11 | mwilson | simonrvn: How do you figure? |
| 04:28.26 | the_faulk | deacat: what do you mean? |
| 04:28.29 | mwilson | bztunk: Uh, what does the first part of your statement have to do with the second part? |
| 04:28.31 | bztunk | mwilson: but yeah, it bloats debian :( |
| 04:28.32 | holycow | bztunk, then even wilson could use linux! |
| 04:28.33 | basho | yeah its weird hardware behaviour unless you selected some weird settings |
| 04:28.39 | holycow | ahahaha :) |
| 04:28.45 | simonrvn | every 5 seconds or so the journal gets written to disk, that entails use of extra battery power to do that |
| 04:29.00 | the_faulk | ill bbl |
| 04:29.07 | the_faulk | im gonna reinstall... |
| 04:29.07 | simonrvn | whereas straight ext2 you don't do that |
| 04:29.08 | deadcat | the_faulk: the case(shell) might be new. maybe the inside is old crap. thats what i do when my hardwares dont work. (= wink wink. |
| 04:29.08 | basho | simonrvn, ah is it that battery-saving patch for kernel? |
| 04:29.09 | bztunk | mwilson: well, you know, the way i see it, everything needs to be integrated, like microsoft does |
| 04:29.11 | the_faulk | if this fails |
| 04:29.18 | simonrvn | basho: no... |
| 04:29.18 | Justin_ | simonrvn: not really... it just causes the drive to never spin down, which is what causes the extra power use |
| 04:29.18 | bztunk | mwilson: doesn't mean that's it the right way, but whatever |
| 04:29.20 | Caim | simonrvn: and you don't think that having journaling would outweight the difference in data integrity checking? |
| 04:29.22 | basho | the_faulk, well good luck |
| 04:29.27 | simonrvn | Justin_: yeh that's it |
| 04:29.29 | mwilson | simonrvn: Using a journaling fs leads to more disk writes, which may use more battery. Using a journaling FS does not use more battery. |
| 04:29.40 | the_faulk | if it doesnt work, im sticking with slacky |
| 04:29.43 | simonrvn | mwilson: see above :) |
| 04:29.44 | the_faulk | later, thanx |
| 04:30.01 | mwilson | simonrvn: I have. Your statement is not accurate. |
| 04:30.12 | basho | mwilson, um.... is there a difference between FS and fs ? |
| 04:30.17 | simonrvn | mwilson: what Justin_ said is accurate. i say no more |
| 04:30.26 | mwilson | basho: Yes, there is. One is in upper case, the other is not. |
| 04:30.40 | bztunk | haha |
| 04:30.41 | basho | mwilson, okay, so your sentence isnt making any sense |
| 04:30.47 | burd | bxtunk: I agree with you to a certain extent.. i think there shoudl be workstation distributions that set up the video and audio and everything similar to knoppix and then server distributions that are like a standard debian release is now |
| 04:30.49 | Justin_ | there are patches for that, I forget if noflushd works with ext3 |
| 04:30.58 | mwilson | Justin_: It does. |
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| 04:31.06 | bztunk | basho: haha |
| 04:31.07 | holycow | burd, theres lots of those |
| 04:31.07 | mwilson | Justin_: But has trouble with the journal writes. |
| 04:31.08 | Justin_ | theres the "laptop mode" patch, but supposedly that can really damage crap |
| 04:31.19 | burd | holycow: with debian on the box? |
| 04:31.19 | simonrvn | works well on ppcs |
| 04:31.24 | mwilson | laptop mode isn't a patch any more, it's integrated as of 2.4.23 |
| 04:31.32 | simonrvn | oh. neat |
| 04:31.32 | Justin_ | oh? neat |
| 04:31.38 | basho | yeah thats cool |
| 04:31.45 | basho | i read about that in kernel trap |
| 04:31.45 | mwilson | Yeah, I was playing with it last night. |
| 04:31.45 | holycow | moprhix does that no? *shrug* |
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| 04:32.03 | basho | mwilson, do you if it is in 2.6 aswell ? |
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| 04:32.13 | mwilson | basho: No idea, nor do I care. |
| 04:32.15 | basho | hahaaaa |
| 04:32.28 | basho | ah shame... 2.6 is the thing to use on a lappy imo |
| 04:32.36 | mwilson | simonrvn: Keep it. You need a better computer. |
| 04:32.56 | basho | but to be fair 2.6.2+ |
| 04:32.57 | mwilson | basho: Yes, I'm sure that is your opinion. |
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| 04:33.01 | simonrvn | mwilson: pfff |
| 04:33.22 | mwilson | simonrvn: Or aren't you still messing with $RANDOM_MOTHERBOARD? |
| 04:33.24 | simonrvn | i'd rather have this 8500. it's upgradable at least |
| 04:33.30 | cappicard | looks like I need a bidirectional digital catv amplifier for my tv tuner |
| 04:33.31 | basho | mwilson, yah i know that this is my opinion, thats why i said it... and i even have my reaons! :-P |
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| 04:34.08 | basho | laptops are unstable and a new thing... one needs unstable new kernels for those :P |
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| 04:34.20 | yaman | basho: my laptop worked fine with 2.4.22 |
| 04:34.28 | mwilson | basho: When did laptops become unstable and new? |
| 04:34.29 | yaman | basho: im about to test it with 2.6 |
| 04:34.42 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: dunno... guess basho hasn't seen a macintosh portable. |
| 04:34.44 | simonrvn | lappys have been around for ages.. |
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| 04:34.48 | herbi | hi guys |
| 04:34.51 | herbi | quick question |
| 04:34.56 | burd | holycow: the idea is that a AMJOR distro really hasn't sat down and decided they wanted to be a part of the uneducated end-user arena yet.. IMHO I feel thw *nix world in some instances could be beating themselves up by refusing to build distributions designed for end-users and not administartors |
| 04:34.57 | mwilson | basho: Perhaps if you buy crap laptops (anything made by Crappaq comes to mind) |
| 04:34.57 | deadcat | 2.6 is stable. thats why you dont see the -test at the end... |
| 04:34.57 | basho | yaman, ah cool |
| 04:35.00 | Justin_ | mwilson: when your ac adapter cable connecter is malfunctioning:-) |
| 04:35.01 | herbi | what are the "codenames" of the current stable/unstable releases respectivley? |
| 04:35.07 | basho | mwilson, hey i like compaq |
| 04:35.10 | Caim | basho: erm. laptops are unstable and new? I better find out what the thing I thought was a P100 (which has an uptime of 305 days) is, then. |
| 04:35.10 | Justin_ | herbi: debian.org/releases/ |
| 04:35.25 | basho | blah you guys have no humour... |
| 04:35.31 | holycow | burd i know what your getting at but i will haveto cop an mwilson here |
| 04:35.33 | basho | but at least now i know how a troll feels lol |
| 04:35.39 | dondelelcaro | humor no, but humors, yes. |
| 04:35.39 | burd | weeeee |
| 04:35.43 | Caim | mwilson: the laptop I just mentioned is a compaq :P |
| 04:35.43 | herbi | Justin_, thanks! you helped me more than you can know. |
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| 04:35.49 | holycow | i don't think we really want joe 6 pack in here |
| 04:35.55 | burd | lol |
| 04:35.57 | deadcat | basho: wow. you should be a comedian. |
| 04:36.00 | holycow | asking where thier start button is |
| 04:36.02 | holycow | etcetera |
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| 04:36.06 | holycow | :) |
| 04:36.14 | basho | deadcat, really? wonder what you should be then... |
| 04:36.14 | dondelelcaro | !reboot |
| 04:36.15 | dpkg | Not on your life cowboy :(, or are you using Window$? |
| 04:36.17 | holycow | the providence of joe six pack distros is for the lindows and other companies |
| 04:36.19 | Caim | basho: if you like compaq, you've got serious character, judgement, and quality assessment flaws. |
| 04:36.23 | simonrvn | i doubt joe shmoe will ever come in here, but they will most certianly send an email to d-u with kmail |
| 04:36.27 | holycow | because joe 6 pack has to be protected from them selves |
| 04:36.27 | mwilson | holycow: He's merely parading the tired old saw that Joe Stupid should be enabled to install an operating system. |
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| 04:36.43 | basho | Caim hehe well i had an old Contura 410 and it ran like forever |
| 04:36.46 | holycow | see... joe six pack then wont be paying for linux, they will be paying for the insurance against their own stupidity |
| 04:36.48 | deadcat | basho: ya. you can definately get a contract with your unstable kernel joke.. i bet it will be huge. |
| 04:36.49 | mwilson | holycow: Not speaking to usability or anything else, which any relatively modern distribution handles just fine. |
| 04:36.58 | simonrvn | holycow: hehehhe |
| 04:37.25 | holycow | mw heh well we do agree on somethin, you are correct its not hard to teach any monkey how to get debian up and running |
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| 04:37.29 | basho | deadcat, yah i'll work 24/7 and earn millions |
| 04:37.40 | run_apt | anyone know why debian's implementation of mozilla allows multiple sessions of one profile, while other distros don't? I'm talking about mozilla/firebird under teseting here, that's version 1.5a... |
| 04:37.42 | mwilson | holycow: Excuse me? Perhaps if you actually bothered to read what I said. |
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| 04:37.44 | deadcat | good luck. |
| 04:37.55 | mwilson | run_apt: It doesn't. |
| 04:38.00 | simonrvn | basho: lappies have existed since the only macs that werearound were m68k. there are a whole series of m68k lappies |
| 04:38.16 | Caim | mwilson: if someone can't even see why compiling everything for yourself, and maybe tweaking things to get them to work, might be exciting, there's no reason why that person should be using an OS, let alone installing one |
| 04:38.20 | mwilson | run_apt: If yours is, you've done that yourself. |
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| 04:38.42 | basho | simonrvn, well one can't call the early portable computer a "laptop" can one? |
| 04:38.51 | mwilson | Caim: You are free to hold that opinion. |
| 04:38.53 | simonrvn | basho: never seen one, have you? |
| 04:38.59 | basho | simonrvn, exactly! |
| 04:39.00 | holycow | what, the compaq pc with a handle? |
| 04:39.04 | holycow | best laptop ever :) |
| 04:39.05 | mwilson | Caim: I do not share it, but then again, I'm not required to. |
| 04:39.07 | simonrvn | basho: then be quiet then |
| 04:39.14 | Caim | mwilson: nobody said so. |
| 04:39.21 | LrDNattor | what's a common compaq bios keypress? |
| 04:39.26 | Caim | it's not -entirely- my sentiment, either. |
| 04:39.26 | run_apt | mwilson: are you sure? I've never changed source on a mozilla debian package, and what i'm referring to as having multiple sessions of one profile means, to me, starting mozilla twice from two different xterms using prompt$ mozilla |
| 04:39.38 | basho | simonrvn, you really dont have to read every shit pasted in a channel and respond to it... |
| 04:39.41 | run_apt | mwilson: maybe i've got my terminology of sessions wrong... |
| 04:39.41 | run_apt | ? |
| 04:39.43 | Caim | it's mainly a statement of frustration (the use part, at least) |
| 04:39.53 | holycow | runapt... check your mozilla directory... sounds like you created two seperate profiles, one for each |
| 04:39.53 | burd | holycow: the question then is, why is there ALWAYS MS V. *nix battles in these chatrooms when in reality the *nix distros never intended to be major market players? |
| 04:40.08 | holycow | if you delete one it should revert back to expected behaviour |
| 04:40.16 | Caim | run_apt: so why are you starting it twice? would you start X twice? |
| 04:40.17 | run_apt | holycow: didn't do that, and i can keep opening more mozillas that way (doesn't seem to be an upper bound) |
| 04:40.18 | mwilson | burd: Because you have the stupids who enjoy them. |
| 04:40.26 | holycow | burd,there isnt mostly |
| 04:40.34 | Caim | mwilson: heh |
| 04:40.37 | holycow | i resemble that wilson |
| 04:40.39 | holycow | :) hehehehe |
| 04:40.41 | simonrvn | basho: go see for yourself: www.apple.com, then click on support, then hardware, then click on the older hardware specs link, and look for powerbook 100 |
| 04:40.56 | basho | simonrvn, thx, how old is it? |
| 04:41.03 | holycow | burd, linux is a community endeaver, by the community for the community |
| 04:41.03 | simonrvn | 1993 or so |
| 04:41.07 | run_apt | Caim: actually, i like having a combo of more windows and tabs in each window... should just use new window, but i've got keyboard shortcuts to mozilla... |
| 04:41.09 | holycow | there is no win vs nix thing going on |
| 04:41.13 | basho | cool thats quite something |
| 04:41.24 | holycow | what IS going on is the rest of the world smells a good thing and they are experimenting |
| 04:41.27 | burd | holycow: how could it be for the community when you just stated "we don't want joe 6 pack in here" |
| 04:41.41 | holycow | cio and cfo's smell saving and are getting in on the act |
| 04:41.41 | burd | I would assume the community includes joe6 pack |
| 04:41.52 | holycow | burd i'm not the community |
| 04:41.52 | Justin_ | run_apt: uh, thats not two sessions |
| 04:41.52 | run_apt | I downloaded an unstable version of firebird a while ago, which didn't allow this, but i don't know what version that was... all I know is testing/stable for me, i've always been able to open multiple mozilla windows... and it has nothing to do with having a lot of profiles... |
| 04:41.58 | Justin_ | run_apt: its two windows in the same session |
| 04:42.01 | Caim | linux on a laptop is particularly fun, because it's fun to try and squeeze 5.5 hours out of a battery that's advertised for 5 hours, and windows can only get about 4 and 1/4th hours. |
| 04:42.15 | holycow | and i didnt say it that definatively, i don't define anything as far the the community goes, i'm just one voice in many |
| 04:42.20 | mwilson | My 600e runs Linux just fine, as does Justin's |
| 04:42.21 | run_apt | Justin_: ok, so typing mozilla in two different xterms just uses the same session? |
| 04:42.27 | Caim | run_apt: you don't make any sense... |
| 04:42.52 | basho | simonrvn, hm there is no hardware link in the support section |
| 04:42.53 | Caim | mwilson: 600e? who makes that? |
| 04:42.54 | Justin_ | run_apt: sh -x mozilla |
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| 04:43.13 | run_apt | Justin_: where am i going with that? |
| 04:43.16 | mwilson | Caim: IBM Thinkpad |
| 04:43.23 | Justin_ | run_apt: run it, and read the last 10 lines |
| 04:43.32 | simonrvn | basho: look at the top of the page |
| 04:43.33 | Caim | mwilson: ah. I've got the X30. beautiful machines, IBM makes. :P |
| 04:43.41 | holycow | i was implying that it would be undesireable to have joe 6 pack drop in here and use their windows groupthink to solve computing problems |
| 04:43.48 | burd | holycow I understand but what I am saying is it seems the *nix distros want a chunk of the pie but they refuse to build a vehicle that starts and drives off the showrrom floor with little or no effort.. dont take what i say a s a bash i just find it interesting how *nix is playing out over time |
| 04:43.54 | simonrvn | basho: might need to reverse the order though ... hardware, then support |
| 04:43.55 | holycow | but then again, perhaps theres sides to the argument i havent considered *shrug* |
| 04:43.56 | deadcat | Caim: thats the thin one right? damn. (= |
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| 04:44.17 | mwilson | burd: No. The *distros* don't. Intelligent people don't buy into the lemming crap. |
| 04:44.19 | holycow | burd *nod* well lindows is doing just fine, don't you think? |
| 04:44.21 | holycow | so is mandrake |
| 04:44.27 | run_apt | Justin_: ok... i see the already running flag is set, an opens up a new mozilla window... so this means its still the same session? |
| 04:44.29 | holycow | have you installed suse9 by any chance lately? |
| 04:44.35 | mwilson | burd: 'L33t kiddies do. |
| 04:44.39 | holycow | its really quite spiffy as far as click and go goes |
| 04:44.46 | Justin_ | run_apt: of course |
| 04:44.47 | burd | yah I got 9 sitting here |
| 04:45.01 | burd | and yes some are way easier than debian |
| 04:45.09 | mwilson | burd: Intelligent people are going "would you get the fsck out of my way so I can get some work done!" |
| 04:45.10 | burd | to get rolling |
| 04:45.11 | Caim | deadcat: heh :P yeah. couldn't afford the X31 (which has a P-M 1.4 instead of a P3-M 1.2, as well as an ATI Radeon Mobility instead of the intel i830MG chipset - not worth the 300+ dollars. :P) |
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| 04:45.22 | burd | lol mwilson |
| 04:45.23 | Caim | deadcat: even still, it cost me 1200$ |
| 04:45.26 | basho | simonrvn, as you might have guessed... there is no support link in the hardware section either |
| 04:45.32 | mwilson | burd: While the wankers are busy with their rhetoric. |
| 04:45.34 | deadcat | Caim: wow.. |
| 04:45.36 | holycow | burd *nod* the thing about debian is that it gives you such a lovely balance of 'power' and 'usability' |
| 04:45.40 | basho | simonrvn, one can either selected hardware or support |
| 04:45.50 | simonrvn | basho: hold on, i'm finding it |
| 04:46.02 | mwilson | scruffy: Why was it important that he switch? |
| 04:46.06 | simonrvn | basho: my bad, support then specs |
| 04:46.15 | holycow | burd, user linux is pointing in the right direction... leave the communities out of the money making business... but get a debian based distro out there and have local companies support them |
| 04:46.18 | scruffy | mwilson: very, because I have to clean up the mess. |
| 04:46.20 | burd | holycow: yah after a few years of tiddling with al the others I find debian to be my favorite |
| 04:46.30 | holycow | perhaps your interested in something like that? |
| 04:46.38 | simonrvn | basho: http://www.info.apple.com/support/applespec.legacy/index.html |
| 04:46.49 | Caim | burd: I'd rather have a car that requires a little tinkering and tuning under the hood before driving it out of the showroom and then runs for years without a tuneup or even an oil change, over one that drives out of the showroom - and promptly blows up a city block. |
| 04:46.51 | run_apt | Justin_: so when I ssh to my machine, with mozilla already running, and run mozilla from a remote computer, that is also a continuation of my same session? what's the error that brings the profile manager up then, saying that the profile is already in use, and i should create/use another? I've seen that before, but only when i've tried running mozilla (like i am now) when another mozilla process was running... |
| 04:46.58 | holycow | burd *nod* i've bee on linux for a number of months, i tried all of them but only debian really has got it right. |
| 04:47.02 | mwilson | Caim: The only thing I wish my 600e had was integrated wireless, but it's too old for that. I use a PC card, but I don't like taking it in and out, and I'm afraid of what happens to that external antenna when it's in the bag. |
| 04:47.13 | burd | Caim: good point but thats not how your average consumer thinks |
| 04:47.21 | simonrvn | basho: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112182 |
| 04:47.23 | Caim | mwilson: how fast is the 600e? |
| 04:47.25 | somiaj | dpkg and apt are the reasons I like debian. |
| 04:47.25 | dpkg | okay, somiaj |
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| 04:47.35 | mwilson | Caim: 366 mhz Mobile P2. |
| 04:47.44 | Caim | mwilson: this one has a miniPCI prism 2.5 card. |
| 04:47.53 | holycow | burd i think your missing one really really really important part about linux: |
| 04:47.56 | basho | simonrvn, yah, nice... but no pic... i just googled for one... thats a real laptop mhm |
| 04:47.57 | holycow | it can be what you want it to be |
| 04:48.01 | Caim | haven't bothered getting it working yet (have only had it since sunday) |
| 04:48.11 | holycow | if you want to create an osx type of hood welded shut product you can |
| 04:48.17 | holycow | no one is stopping you, the tools are all there |
| 04:48.32 | simonrvn | basho: yup, have a couple at our lab |
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| 04:48.43 | holycow | if you wanted a shitty sandbox idea like windows, you can do that too, thats what suse/redhat is trying to setup i guess |
| 04:48.44 | burd | I just think that there has got to be a way for a major distro to get more people interested in their product, I think sometimes they are selling themselves short becasue they are too busy flying above the learning curve to slow down and realize they got what they need, they just need to put a package together |
| 04:48.48 | mwilson | You are all still missing the point. Still trying to empower Joe Stupid to maintain the box. |
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| 04:49.00 | holycow | if you want to put it together your self with auto installs, debian fits that need |
| 04:49.01 | Caim | burd: your average consumer doesn't think. their thought process goes something along the lines of: 1) see something shiny out of the corner of their eye, 2) turn and become mezmerized, 3) start pushing buttons |
| 04:49.13 | basho | simonrvn, but look at the mac portable... wow that one is kinda huge http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~shamada/Images/mac_portable.gif |
| 04:49.16 | holycow | burd, easy, games. the reason people use windows is games |
| 04:49.17 | Caim | there's no thought involved in that |
| 04:49.21 | basho | early pc portables were even bigger |
| 04:49.24 | simonrvn | basho: also have som pbook 140, a little more modern wrt cpu and stuff |
| 04:49.34 | holycow | they say ms office is another tool but thats not true i've converted lots of people to open office already |
| 04:49.51 | holycow | its basically games as far as i can see |
| 04:49.57 | mwilson | pbook 140 has its uses. |
| 04:50.03 | simonrvn | basho: yeh, big and ugly :) |
| 04:50.04 | burd | holycow: i agree games but I feel it's the install that turns most folks away from *nix |
| 04:50.06 | ToreSB | I have a minicomputer :) |
| 04:50.09 | holycow | if you were to take a debian kind of install platform... and add games to it |
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| 04:50.17 | ToreSB | http://tore.nortia.no/images/tsb |
| 04:50.26 | basho | simonrvn, hehe! although i gotta correct myself a little.. it *could* be used as a laptop somehow: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/pc/docs/article/990512/wwdc0265.jpg |
| 04:50.28 | mwilson | burd: Because you're stuck on the idea that they should be installing it. |
| 04:50.30 | ToreSB | holycow: You'd still have debian. |
| 04:50.33 | simonrvn | mwilson: for sure. make nice portable terminals and such |
| 04:50.44 | Caim | burd: as far as your 'useability' debate... you're full of it. debian is up to the level of ease of use/installation that mandrake/redhat were in 2000, I'd imagine, if not more so (if you include the sarge installer). mandrake and its kin are obscenely easy to install - you don't have to do a damned thing, really. |
| 04:50.46 | holycow | you would kill windows imho... thing about windows is when you install games or anything on it your fukin os is hosed almost from the get go. its a preordained thing that if you play games on windows you gotta reinstall every 6 months |
| 04:51.05 | basho | simonrvn, i really love those Mac Classics they are my favs.. just fun to work with em |
| 04:51.07 | holycow | burd, naw... take knoppix |
| 04:51.14 | Caim | burd: so, using your logic... well, never mind. you're not using much logic, really. |
| 04:51.17 | holycow | add a check box on it that says install to hd, done |
| 04:51.19 | mwilson | <sigh> And again #debian degenerates into COLA. |
| 04:51.21 | holycow | its not that hard, it can be done |
| 04:51.23 | burd | Caim lol |
| 04:51.38 | holycow | actually they are doing that in the next knoppix i understand |
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| 04:51.39 | Caim | basho: the little cube-like macs w/ the integrated b&w monitor? |
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| 04:51.43 | ToreSB | I like boolean logic ^_^ |
| 04:51.47 | basho | Caim yep |
| 04:51.49 | ToreSB | Caim: Heeeeyll yeah |
| 04:51.53 | Caim | mwilson: COLA? |
| 04:51.55 | simonrvn | basho: they're neat, some folks put other machines in them, boost RAM cap., boost cpu power. i've heard of g3 cubes going in them |
| 04:51.57 | burd | Caim: these are just thought I have been having while working on my stuff is all nothing thats gonna change the world |
| 04:52.04 | tix64 | mmmmh, cola |
| 04:52.07 | basho | lol thats awesome |
| 04:52.08 | ToreSB | simonrvn: g4, man. g4. |
| 04:52.12 | mwilson | Caim: comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| 04:52.27 | holycow | burd, the thing is it doesnt matter though |
| 04:52.29 | simonrvn | ToreSB: yes, but a cube is small, it would fit inside the classic case better |
| 04:52.42 | holycow | did linux start the kernel to destroy ms? |
| 04:52.44 | ToreSB | simonrvn: I meant it's been done with a g4 |
| 04:52.52 | simonrvn | ToreSB: oh ok :). neat |
| 04:52.55 | holycow | does any project on fresh meat or sf exist to destroy ms? |
| 04:52.57 | holycow | or ibm? |
| 04:53.03 | ToreSB | simonrvn: It is, probably, yeah :) |
| 04:53.06 | holycow | its a pointless aim if you think about it |
| 04:53.18 | ToreSB | holycow: Nothing ever aimed to destroy IBM. |
| 04:53.25 | holycow | linux exists for all sorts of reasons, none of them i bet include 'marketshare' or 'destroy ms' |
| 04:53.26 | holycow | :) |
| 04:53.29 | Justin_ | holycow: sssssh |
| 04:53.32 | burd | holycow then why is there always so much MS bashing if they didn't? see my point? if they weren't trying to compete with them, then they wouldn't care |
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| 04:53.40 | simonrvn | holycow: MO is: they should shit, or get off the pot. if they can't do that, it's their problem |
| 04:53.45 | deadcat | my friend told me few weeks ago that IBM actually stands for something. hahahah |
| 04:53.46 | basho | yeah... the good thing about linux is that its a product of free time and a lot of fun... such evil emotions dont fit the whole thing |
| 04:53.48 | ToreSB | holycow: Ever since IBM took a big hit in the sixties for being too stiff they've always been supportive of the Hacker Ethic |
| 04:53.50 | mwilson | holycow: Don't tell COLA that, you'd destroy their worldview. |
| 04:53.55 | holycow | burd there isn't, i bash ms because they make shit products and make my life hell at work |
| 04:54.01 | Caim | basho: those are sweet little machines :P I tried to get one from my (private) high school a couple yeras ago (about 3 or 4), but they wanted to keep it "to run some voice synthesis software or spreadsheets or something" "in the future"... try as I might, they wouldn't buy it that the machine was too old for such applications. *sigh* it's likely sitting in some closet somewhere under the IBM Model M keyboards I wasn't able to barter from the sch |
| 04:54.02 | Caim | ool (well, the ones i didn't manage to liberate, at least). |
| 04:54.13 | holycow | do you know how many effin phonecalls i get daily because a user is allowed to hose the entire system? or viruses? |
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| 04:54.34 | ToreSB | Haha, at our school the admin recently FOUND a Tiki-100 |
| 04:54.41 | Caim | burd: torvalds doesn't care. torvalds is linux. |
| 04:54.45 | holycow | tahts more a gripe, no one really cares about ms vs linux thing it just seems like that on ./ :) |
| 04:54.45 | ToreSB | The TIKI was a proprietary educational computer |
| 04:54.46 | Caim | ToreSB: found...? |
| 04:54.50 | mechan0r | anyone here install xemacs21 successfully |
| 04:55.01 | ToreSB | He didn't know he still had one |
| 04:55.02 | simonrvn | mechan0r: many have.. |
| 04:55.04 | holycow | simonrvn *nod* :) |
| 04:55.06 | basho | Caim yeah.. all the cool hardware... hmmm i had some model m lying around here a while ago though... very old and clunky keyboard.. but it will work for the next ten years ;-)) |
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| 04:55.08 | mwilson | holycow: <shrug> If you're such an incompetent admin that users can do those things, then I suppose the phone calls are a just punishment. |
| 04:55.08 | ToreSB | It was pretty neat for its time |
| 04:55.19 | ToreSB | Model M is for pussies. |
| 04:55.20 | holycow | basho *nod* too :) |
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| 04:55.29 | ToreSB | I use the TTY KSR 33. |
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| 04:55.32 | holycow | ToreSB *nod* also :) hehe |
| 04:55.33 | Caim | burd: the only reason anyone cares about MS, is that they try and assert their monopolistic policies over everything and everyone. |
| 04:55.38 | ToreSB | It doesn't go *clicky* |
| 04:55.41 | mechan0r | I keep getting install script errors |
| 04:55.44 | holycow | mwilson hahaha :) |
| 04:55.48 | ToreSB | it goes vmmmmmKACHUCKA |
| 04:55.57 | Optim | hi. I am installing debian 3.0r1 on my laptop now. It asks for FS: ext2/ext3/reiserFS. what should I answer? |
| 04:56.08 | basho | is it really true that old apple-keyboards once costed 500$ or more? |
| 04:56.08 | ToreSB | and ls sounds like this |
| 04:56.10 | deadcat | Optim: 3 |
| 04:56.16 | ToreSB | miiiiii (the magtapes) |
| 04:56.22 | Optim | u mean ext3? |
| 04:56.28 | mechan0r | emacs-package-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/speedbar-beta xe macs21 emacs20 emacs21 xemacs21 failed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-package- install line 30, <TSORT> line 1. |
| 04:56.28 | deadcat | yes |
| 04:56.31 | Optim | thnx |
| 04:56.35 | mwilson | Optim: You should answer with the one you want to use. Amazing things, questions... they actually have answers. |
| 04:56.43 | Justin_ | basho: uh, the old apple keyboards were built into the computer |
| 04:56.44 | burd | my opinion is.. build soemthign simple for the masses, get them liking it and they will want more and more and they will find a reason to learn |
| 04:56.51 | ToreSB | vmmmm(the tty ambient noise)KACHUNKACHUNKACHUNKACHUNKACHUNKACHUNKACHUNKACHUNKACHUNKAvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvVVVPDING |
| 04:56.54 | basho | Justin_, well i dont mean that old ones ;-) |
| 04:57.06 | mechan0r | what the fsck is <TSORT> |
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| 04:57.07 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 04:57.09 | mwilson | burd: Brother, you ARE naieve. |
| 04:57.11 | the_faulk | whoops |
| 04:57.17 | Caim | basho: that's something I love about this thinkpad x30 - the keyboard. It's a full-size kb, and frankly, I odn't notice much of a difference between it and my desktop's Model M. can't beat 20+ years of keyboard design consistency :P that's one good thing about IBM's monolithic policies. :) |
| 04:57.17 | basho | lol |
| 04:57.35 | mwilson | I love the Model M, I just can't use one any more. |
| 04:57.37 | holycow | burd *shrug* thing is theres lots or reasons for linux to exist |
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| 04:57.39 | ToreSB | Caim: Well, the Selectric terminals are bad |
| 04:57.40 | jonathan | hello |
| 04:57.42 | linxuz3r | why is debian got 7 cds ;) |
| 04:57.42 | holycow | its a scratch an itch kinda thing |
| 04:57.49 | burd | mwilson why is that? sounds to me like your sitting at the top of the learning curve looking down and forgot what it was liek sitting at the bottom of the curve looking up |
| 04:57.49 | basho | Caim ah cool... that X30 is quite small, too right? |
| 04:57.52 | ToreSB | Caim: I like the Teletype Corporation ones |
| 04:57.59 | ToreSB | 33 thru 38 were great |
| 04:58.01 | the_faulk | i reinstalled my system |
| 04:58.02 | holycow | the best thing about is linux is so non political about the whole thing its great |
| 04:58.09 | deadcat | linxuz3r: packages. shit loads of free pkgs. |
| 04:58.11 | ToreSB | But then they started to outsource their kbs |
| 04:58.17 | mwilson | burd: No, I'm the person who sees no reason for Joe Stupid to be attempting to climb the curve in the first place. |
| 04:58.18 | ToreSB | and then AT&T devoured them |
| 04:58.20 | the_faulk | even though multiconsole still doesnt work |
| 04:58.27 | the_faulk | i didnt install anything but the basics |
| 04:58.29 | Caim | burd: yeah, your philosophy makes perfect sense. that's why we've got so many systems out there with sircam still - everyone that picked up windows due to interested, learned and learned and learned, and they're all 1337 admins now! |
| 04:58.29 | holycow | burd hahaha :) you noticed that too huh? :D lol |
| 04:58.30 | the_faulk | no x server |
| 04:58.32 | burd | mwilson: you had to.. thats kinda hipcritical |
| 04:58.33 | the_faulk | or kde |
| 04:58.38 | basho | Caim i wondered some to and fro about buying ibm.. then i thought its a little too dark... but everyone says the hardware is the best |
| 04:58.44 | the_faulk | that way i can download then now... |
| 04:58.45 | Caim | basho: yeah. :P really small. only 3.6lb. |
| 04:58.51 | basho | cool |
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| 04:58.57 | mwilson | burd: Of course I had to. |
| 04:58.59 | tix64 | burd: maybe he _wanted_ to? |
| 04:59.02 | Caim | basho: smaller than your average high school text book. |
| 04:59.04 | the_faulk | now... |
| 04:59.04 | basho | i should think about it.... dollar rates are very good atm... |
| 04:59.09 | ToreSB | The IBM TP's are pure pure fucking genious |
| 04:59.12 | Caim | basho: or college, I guess. |
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| 04:59.17 | the_faulk | what packages do i need to apt-get to set up my kde/xfree86? |
| 04:59.19 | ToreSB | I can't put it any other way. |
| 04:59.25 | ToreSB | I still use my 380E |
| 04:59.28 | mwilson | burd: That goes without saying. But people like yourself want to make an admin out of Joe Stupid, and there is *no reason for it*. |
| 04:59.35 | ToreSB | It's HUGE by modern standards |
| 04:59.35 | simonrvn | genius would be even better :P |
| 04:59.40 | holycow | fauld apt-get xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:59.40 | ToreSB | it's extremely lightweight |
| 04:59.43 | holycow | and apt-get kde |
| 04:59.47 | ToreSB | simonrvn: Second language :) |
| 04:59.57 | simonrvn | ToreSB: we'll teach you :) |
| 04:59.58 | ToreSB | simonrvn: Actually, fourth. |
| 04:59.58 | mwilson | burd: Joe Stupid is not an admin, he is not trained to be one, hell he has no technical training at all. |
| 04:59.59 | holycow | if you want latest kde follow the topic on #debian-kde |
| 05:00.00 | holycow | :) |
| 05:00.04 | holycow | hope that helps |
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| 05:00.25 | holycow | and joe 6 pack has no business adminning a machine period |
| 05:00.31 | Caim | ToreSB: eh. I think the iBooks and powerbooks are better, really, in some respects. though, I like x86 processors due to their linux support, so that's what I pick. :) (that, and I don't want the "mac zealot" stigma to rub off on me by association, and I don't want zealots appraoching me and trying to associate. goddamn they're worse than linux zealots) |
| 05:00.32 | ToreSB | Anyway, my point is, it's earned the nickname Panther for a reason. |
| 05:00.33 | burd | mwilson.. when did I say joe stupid = admin? joe stupid = end user as well as developement $$$ |
| 05:00.37 | holycow | they are right, thats why we have such a terrible windows situation out there on the net now |
| 05:00.40 | mwilson | burd: And people like you want him to be building computers when he can't change the oil in his car. |
| 05:00.48 | holycow | joe stupid needs a machine very specifically designed to do a few things: |
| 05:00.59 | ToreSB | burd: The admin at our school is a joe stupid. |
| 05:01.06 | holycow | a) cheap machine for word processing and internet surfing and some multimedia |
| 05:01.07 | burd | mwilson: people like you want to just take the cars off the lot and drive them all yourslef |
| 05:01.13 | holycow | b) cheap machine for playing games |
| 05:01.20 | mwilson | burd: Really. When did I promote that view? |
| 05:01.26 | holycow | c) then there are various grades of workstations but thats another story |
| 05:01.39 | burd | mwilson your the one syaing joe 6 pack should not be using linux |
| 05:01.42 | basho | Caim haha well i like the design of the PB, too... its really nice.. especially the 12" one... the others seem to have the same kb... i wonder why apple brought out a 17" PB with such a waste on keyboard size ;-)) |
| 05:01.46 | tix64 | burd: when you can't change the oil in your car, then you do what? |
| 05:01.53 | ToreSB | The macs don't count. |
| 05:01.59 | mwilson | burd: Really. Point to one instance of my saying that, please. Take your time... I'll wait. |
| 05:02.09 | mechan0r | joe 6 pack shouldn't be using computers period |
| 05:02.10 | Optim | Iam installing debian on a toshiba satellite 2180cdt laptop. Now I am choosing the kernel modules. There is a module named "toshiba laptop support" under the category /drivers/char. should I install this module? |
| 05:02.17 | holycow | burd i agree with you, don't bother arguing with wilson about this point he takes it to the next level |
| 05:02.17 | ToreSB | The macs are fairy tales - too good to be real, so noone buys them thinking it will venish into thin air when they leave the store |
| 05:02.25 | ToreSB | vanish, even |
| 05:02.27 | mwilson | burd: As opposed to my saying that he has no business pretending to be an admin. Or being forced to be one. |
| 05:02.30 | simonrvn | Optim: what do you think? |
| 05:02.32 | Caim | mwilson: hey... I can't change the oil in my car (well, that's more of a "won't", because it takes too long and is simply a PITA, but still... that's roughly my level of knowledge :P) |
| 05:02.32 | holycow | wilsons abhorrence for anyone other than l33t user is legendary :) |
| 05:02.33 | deadcat | Optim: doesnt hurt. |
| 05:02.44 | mwilson | holycow: Wrong again. |
| 05:02.44 | Optim | k |
| 05:02.45 | burd | [22:02] <mwilson> burd: No, I'm the person who sees no reason for Joe Stupid to be attempting to climb the curve in the first place. |
| 05:02.59 | Caim | basho: eh, I hate mac keyboards - aother reason I got the thinkpad ;) |
| 05:03.04 | mwilson | burd: Yep. I said that. Point out please where that says he shouldn't be using Linux. |
| 05:03.19 | mwilson | burd: As opposed to administering it, which was the discussion. |
| 05:03.24 | holycow | burd but he does make a good basic point: if you have a car you either a: drive it or b: take it in to fix it |
| 05:03.24 | burd | said he shouldn't attempt to climb the curve.. the curve starts at attempting to use the hting |
| 05:03.31 | holycow | thats 99.9% of all users :) |
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| 05:03.36 | Caim | basho: oh, and thinkpads are black w/ a red joystick-nipple and pointer clicking button highlights - it's debian themed! :P |
| 05:03.39 | Justin_ | simonrvn: do you use dmasound? |
| 05:03.47 | basho | Caim oh, i thought the PB kbs would be better than the normal ones... the imac and other kbs aren't the best, thats right |
| 05:03.50 | holycow | same with computers... either they are a user or an admin, you can't be both really :) imho anyway |
| 05:03.52 | ToreSB | Caim: I use my P166 TP every day. The KB is ingenious, just like everything else on it but the sound card (no linux supp) |
| 05:03.52 | Caim | basho: I'm thinking about spraying a mat-red debian swirl on the cover. |
| 05:03.58 | simonrvn | Justin_: currently using alsa. have been in 2.4 too. sounds better |
| 05:04.00 | mechan0r | no the curve starts at telling thing how to do things any person should be able to tell it what to do |
| 05:04.14 | basho | Caim haha cool, okay, you got me, thats a cool lappy! |
| 05:04.18 | Justin_ | simonrvn: yeah, i just got 2.4.23+alsa to fix it, and it made it worse |
| 05:04.23 | Caim | basho: hehe |
| 05:04.24 | holycow | caim? joystick nipple? HAHAHAHAHAHA! best description of that EVER! |
| 05:04.27 | Justin_ | well maybe it works better, but the mixer doesn't work |
| 05:04.28 | deadcat | Caim: why not just get a swirl sticker? hehe i got few of those online. |
| 05:04.28 | holycow | hehe :) can i use that? |
| 05:04.30 | burd | hey fellas I just wanted to say it's neat to come in here and have a decent conversation with some educated folks, we may not agree but I like seeing all the different angles we all look at it |
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| 05:04.47 | simonrvn | Justin_: imac? |
| 05:04.48 | Caim | deadcat: I don't think it would be as attractive. |
| 05:04.52 | Justin_ | i dont have speakers, so im using the internal ones... dmasound sucked, but sorta could control it |
| 05:04.55 | Justin_ | yeah |
| 05:04.57 | ToreSB | burd: I'm not educated at all - still not through high school |
| 05:05.02 | holycow | lol burd, this place sure is full of 'different' |
| 05:05.03 | holycow | hehehe :) |
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| 05:05.08 | Caim | deadcat: looks kind of "this is an after-market effect" whereas spray paint would look "this came this way" :P |
| 05:05.09 | mechan0r | clit mouse |
| 05:05.10 | burd | lol |
| 05:05.13 | mwilson | Caim: Someone makes clear window stickers... I saw one once. |
| 05:05.15 | Justin_ | alsamixer doesnt affect the volume at all, grrr |
| 05:05.23 | deadcat | Caim HAHAHAHAH |
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| 05:05.33 | simonrvn | Justin_: show me a screenshot or something? |
| 05:05.48 | mwilson | Caim: Yes, but spray paint also has that "oh, gee, I just screwed up my $1500 laptop" problem. |
| 05:05.49 | somiaj | mwilson: the problem I see is I agree joe stupid shouldn't have to admister his computer, but then who is because joe stupid still wants the machine, and letting a computer adminster itself always seem to cause problems. |
| 05:05.50 | Caim | mwilson: clear window stickers? not sure I understand that concept. besides, stickers kinda suck. *shrug* I don't like 'em. |
| 05:05.58 | Optim | I installed the PPP module. there is another module named "PPP BSD-compress compression". do I need it in order to have dialup ppp access ? |
| 05:05.59 | Caim | mwilson: this is indeed true. |
| 05:06.05 | burd | thats one of the beuties of *nix.. I can runa system that will do x and x and someone else can run a system that will do the same x and x and they are using completely different software |
| 05:06.06 | ToreSB | Optim: No. |
| 05:06.08 | simonrvn | Optim: no |
| 05:06.09 | Optim | thanks |
| 05:06.20 | burd | lots of choices to make |
| 05:06.22 | holycow | somia, as per user linux idea, service center |
| 05:06.30 | mwilson | somiaj: Sure. You sell him a *nix box, and you don't give him the root password. |
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| 05:06.35 | ToreSB | Optim: It makes your conn slightly faster, but in some cases it screws PPP :) |
| 05:06.38 | holycow | you don't pay for the machine per se, you pay a stupid tax/insurance |
| 05:06.40 | Justin_ | simonrvn: of what? all the volume sliders are down, and its the same volume it was before I rebooted |
| 05:06.51 | holycow | you could build a nice little business if people paid a monthly subscription |
| 05:06.54 | Caim | mwilson: that's why you wrap the sensitive bits profusely in clingwrap, and only have a very small 'target area' exposed :P |
| 05:07.04 | holycow | a subscription that goes up the stupider you get :) |
| 05:07.15 | simonrvn | Justin_: yeh, sometimes it won't save the settings for some reason, and i used to have to turn them all up again.. |
| 05:07.19 | mwilson | Caim: No. YOU DO NOT GIVE HIM ROOT. |
| 05:07.26 | holycow | or you get a locked down game system, when was the last time you had a problem with a playstation? |
| 05:07.46 | holycow | windows problems are all about the user being allowed to muck about. as far as i can tell anyway. |
| 05:07.48 | deadcat | Caim: http://deadcat.arcz.net/desktop/car.s110.20030802/.thumb_img_1901.jpg |
| 05:07.49 | Caim | mwilson: *odd look* er, ok captain. whatever you say. |
| 05:08.00 | mwilson | Caim: He has no need for it. |
| 05:08.02 | deadcat | Caim: the debian swirl sticker is not bad.. i have it on my car. heheh |
| 05:08.20 | Justin_ | simonrvn: nonono, the sliders do _nothing_ |
| 05:08.29 | Caim | mwilson: who is "he", and why would i be giving him root? |
| 05:08.34 | holycow | deadcat, i'm getting a ballcap with a debian swirly thingy |
| 05:08.38 | holycow | no letters |
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| 05:08.45 | mwilson | Caim: The owner of the box. |
| 05:08.50 | holycow | its going to be a subliminal nike kinda swoosh dealy :) |
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| 05:08.54 | simonrvn | Justin_: you have the /dev/snd/* device files? maybe you need to fix them. that's weird |
| 05:08.56 | holycow | only l33t wannabes like me will know |
| 05:08.58 | holycow | hehehe :) |
| 05:09.04 | Caim | mwilson: I think you're confusing me w/ someone else. I didn't say anything about root (and I'm not fool enough to do such a thing) |
| 05:09.13 | ToreSB | Anyone here in LA? |
| 05:09.19 | deadcat | holycow: thats the logo i have on the car.. want to put one on the laptop but my laptop SUCK.. so dont want to waste it hehe |
| 05:09.19 | holycow | wilson, he's right that was someone else |
| 05:09.24 | burd | oh i got a ? concerning the gnome splash screen in testing.. anyone else's flash on and off while loading into gnome? |
| 05:09.42 | ToreSB | I've got a 217 logo on my lappy :) |
| 05:09.51 | holycow | deadcat, it's kinda dumb logo, but universally understood if your in the know i guess :) |
| 05:09.51 | Caim | mwilson: unless I've been inadvertantly rooted. that would be a problem |
| 05:10.01 | holycow | its also non descript, unlike say the penguin |
| 05:10.04 | holycow | thats just too obvious |
| 05:10.09 | Justin_ | simonrvn: yeah, looks like its working fine,just does nothing |
| 05:10.09 | Caim | holycow: *squint* oh, so that is a debian logo. I thought it was your gas cap. |
| 05:10.12 | mwilson | Caim: You responded to my comment with the bit about clingwrap, which I interpreted to mean you were promoting the idea that Joe Stupid be allowed access to administrative functionality through some sort of gateway. |
| 05:10.23 | holycow | heheh caim :) |
| 05:10.25 | ToreSB | I've got Eric Raymond's blessed logo |
| 05:10.29 | ToreSB | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.30 | ToreSB | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.31 | ToreSB | ### |
| 05:10.31 | simonrvn | Justin_: try restarting alsasound |
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| 05:10.46 | mwilson | Caim: I think you're wrong. He gets *nothing*. |
| 05:10.54 | Caim | mwilson: lol! no, I was talking about spraying a debian logo on a laptop :P |
| 05:11.12 | holycow | its okay caim, wilson hates me |
| 05:11.13 | Caim | mwilson: tiping the whiskey bottle a bit quickly tonight? :P |
| 05:11.19 | holycow | hehehe :) |
| 05:11.38 | mwilson | holycow: fsck off |
| 05:11.46 | mwilson | Caim: I do not drink. |
| 05:11.46 | holycow | ahahahaha! |
| 05:11.51 | Caim | mwilson: fair enough |
| 05:11.56 | ToreSB | I just found out that my social studies teacher hates me |
| 05:12.02 | ToreSB | Which is interesting |
| 05:12.02 | holycow | okay that just made my day :) |
| 05:12.05 | tix64 | mwilson: the only problem i see is that it would be overly tedious to have an admin at hand everytime the user wants some software installed. |
| 05:12.10 | ToreSB | Actually, I've known for quite some time |
| 05:12.11 | Caim | mwilson: at any rate, you've drastically misinterpreted my intent. |
| 05:12.11 | holycow | great way to end the year, dontcha think? |
| 05:12.13 | holycow | :D |
| 05:12.22 | ToreSB | like that time he tried to murder my laptop |
| 05:12.29 | holycow | tix actually no |
| 05:12.31 | Caim | ToreSB: still in HS? |
| 05:12.35 | ToreSB | by "accidentally" spilling that coffeee |
| 05:12.37 | ToreSB | Caim: *sigh* |
| 05:12.37 | holycow | admin is there to fix config issues basically |
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| 05:12.42 | ToreSB | Caim: *sob* |
| 05:12.43 | holycow | or if something completely screwy goes on |
| 05:12.44 | somiaj | tix64: I think the idea is you have all the software he would ever need to use installed and set up. |
| 05:12.47 | ToreSB | Caim: Yes. |
| 05:12.53 | Caim | ToreSB: he tried to kill your laptop? |
| 05:12.55 | holycow | a user can install software with an apt type of system like on lindows |
| 05:13.01 | ToreSB | Caim: "accidentally" |
| 05:13.10 | mwilson | holycow: You're joking, of course. |
| 05:13.12 | Justin_ | simonrvn: aha, got it |
| 05:13.17 | simonrvn | Justin_: cool |
| 05:13.17 | holycow | except lindows promotes the user being root as opposed to having to remember two passowrds which is seriously not good |
| 05:13.18 | Caim | ToreSB: try and kill his children. see how he likes it. (I imagine your laptop is roughly as important to you as his children are to him) |
| 05:13.33 | tix64 | somiaj: and that software updates itself? |
| 05:13.34 | ToreSB | Caim: And that time my maths teacher wrote "RETARD - The story of Tore" in PowerPoint class |
| 05:13.47 | simonrvn | eew .ppt |
| 05:13.52 | mwilson | tix64: You assume it needs updating. |
| 05:13.52 | ToreSB | and he was showing it to other teachers and laughing at my stupidity |
| 05:13.58 | Caim | ToreSB: why the hell would they do that? |
| 05:14.02 | ToreSB | ...and he had it on the projector |
| 05:14.04 | Justin_ | simonrvn: one of them was zero in the mixer, but not in the hardware |
| 05:14.09 | Justin_ | sliding it around sora fixed it |
| 05:14.09 | somiaj | or you could just install softwear locally in the users /home dir |
| 05:14.12 | ToreSB | so I saw it :) |
| 05:14.13 | simonrvn | Justin_: ok |
| 05:14.14 | tix64 | mwilson: yes. |
| 05:14.20 | Caim | ToreSB: what stupidity would prompt them to do that kind of thing, though? |
| 05:14.22 | holycow | tix, software installation for consumers is a trivial issue for most things |
| 05:14.32 | ToreSB | Caim: I don't really know |
| 05:14.35 | deadcat | does rexima work with alsa? |
| 05:14.37 | holycow | consumers arent installing databases... they want open office, games and clicky things |
| 05:14.44 | Justin_ | though it still has the same problem dmasound does, must be a hardare problem |
| 05:14.46 | mwilson | He can do whatever the hell he likes in $HOME. I don't care. |
| 05:14.47 | Caim | ToreSB: where you from? I don't recognize .no - norway? |
| 05:14.48 | burd | weeeeeeeeeeeeee CLICKY THINGS!! |
| 05:14.53 | mwilson | $HOME can't affect the box. |
| 05:14.53 | modconf | mwilson: I give up, what is it? |
| 05:14.59 | ljlane | deadcat, yes, through oss |
| 05:14.59 | ToreSB | Caim: I fear that the impression the teachers get of me, if one judges me by the time I am at school |
| 05:15.03 | holycow | thoser require no config at all, apt-get and they are done, apt from a companies server not from debian archives of course |
| 05:15.04 | somiaj | tix64: the only updates it should 'need' is the security updates. |
| 05:15.06 | simonrvn | Justin_: possible.. the imacs are quirky |
| 05:15.10 | mwilson | Ok, someone needs to shoot that g-damn 'bot. |
| 05:15.16 | ToreSB | I frequently cut class and when I am there I code C |
| 05:15.23 | genetix | where do i find the pcmcia in kernel configuration ? |
| 05:15.26 | deadcat | ljlane: but if i dont hvae oss then no dice? |
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| 05:15.41 | simonrvn | deadcat: oss emu |
| 05:15.42 | holycow | somiaj... *nod* right |
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| 05:15.44 | Caim | ToreSB: lol. I know that feeling well. I slept nearly every period of my senior year away, becuase I had to be there (attendance rules), and my time at home was better spent doing othre things :P |
| 05:15.46 | ljlane | deadcat, oss emulation, right |
| 05:15.48 | tix64 | somiaj: for example, yes. and there are many of them. |
| 05:15.50 | burd | holycow.. why not just put it on their box and call it good, if they know enough to want it, then it is there for them |
| 05:15.51 | deadcat | k |
| 05:15.54 | Caim | ToreSB: so I got roughly 6 hours of sleep 'daily':P |
| 05:16.00 | ToreSB | And I get on average four hours of sleep per day so I'm not too awake there either |
| 05:16.02 | pzrael | hey all, any of you have any experience with promise fasttrack133 lite? |
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| 05:16.08 | mwilson | holycow: Until the first time Joe Stupid tries to install packages that conflict. I reiterate... he does NOT get to admin the box. |
| 05:16.14 | simonrvn | @wb Penix |
| 05:16.15 | ravenbird | Welcome back Penix, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 05:16.29 | ToreSB | pzrael: Fastrak 133lite? No, but I would really like to :D |
| 05:16.29 | mwilson | pzrael: <shrug> It's a Promise chip, recent kernels know what it is, what's the problem? |
| 05:16.30 | holycow | burd *shrug* well people will do what they like anyway, i'm just suggesting that one way is the service based approach |
| 05:16.37 | basho | wow Penix is on IPV6 |
| 05:16.48 | ToreSB | Caim: I must seem like an arrogan zombie prick to them |
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| 05:16.50 | mwilson | pzrael: Oh, and don't hook an ATAPI device to it unless you don't care about DMA. |
| 05:16.57 | Justin_ | simonrvn: the slider has like 50 points, point 0 is off, points 1-50 act like they should be 51-100, its impossible to make it low |
| 05:17.00 | holycow | wilson... joe 6 pack would not get the run of 12k debian packages |
| 05:17.02 | Penix | big deal |
| 05:17.09 | basho | lol |
| 05:17.10 | nuphear | hi all |
| 05:17.11 | burd | holycow understood |
| 05:17.15 | mwilson | holycow: Joe Stupid gets to make no decisions whatsoever. |
| 05:17.19 | Caim | mwilson: oh yes, I love the whole "I think this package should work, ergo, it will work" mentality. |
| 05:17.19 | holycow | infact a service company ought to provide stuff outside debian packages withing their own apt system as a value added thing |
| 05:17.21 | pzrael | mwilson: i'm trying to dual boot xp/linux. however, after xp is installed niether debian or fedora reckognize it as a raid volume. fedora even sees the seperate drives :\ |
| 05:17.26 | mwilson | holycow: He's not competent to make any. |
| 05:17.30 | holycow | joe 6 is not adminning at this point, they are *shopping* so to speak |
| 05:17.36 | Caim | ToreSB: I just appeared sleepy :P |
| 05:17.37 | simonrvn | Justin_: that's weird. what happens if you have dmasound_* loaded and not the alsa modules? |
| 05:17.37 | holycow | the software does all that them selves i guess |
| 05:17.50 | holycow | not competent to make software choices? |
| 05:17.53 | mwilson | pzrael: <shrug> That's because you were silly enough to believe that it's a RAID controller. |
| 05:17.58 | Justin_ | simonrvn: it was the same in dmsaound, i was hoping alsa would have been better |
| 05:18.02 | holycow | ah well theres the crux of the issue, that explains microsoft then :) |
| 05:18.09 | pzrael | mwilson: true, that's what i've just discovered researching :| |
| 05:18.15 | Justin_ | hopefully alsa wont have the other problems dmasound did at least |
| 05:18.17 | mwilson | holycow: Nope. He's usually not competent to choose chocolate or plain milk. |
| 05:18.21 | Caim | the problem is: computers shouldn't be a consumer market. they're certainly not on par with other "electronics" yet - stereos, etc. which just work. |
| 05:18.22 | pzrael | mwilson: any way to get around it? |
| 05:18.38 | holycow | ehehehe wilson :D for once i cant argue about that |
| 05:18.39 | ToreSB | Caim: I'm also arrogant, you see. |
| 05:18.39 | simonrvn | Justin_: yeh, it looks like it's the h/w.. *sigh*. imacs besides the quirks are ok (other than the non-upgradability) |
| 05:18.55 | Caim | not that I'm really complaining. I enjoy being able to buy a new laptop for 1200$ - half the price of a mid-range desktop in '97 or so. :P |
| 05:18.56 | ToreSB | Caim: And conveniently, I'm now ending up in foster care |
| 05:18.59 | songpenguin | hey! I am having trolbe with xine, I logged in and did msg dpkg xine and it told me to "apt-get install xine-ui xine-lib" but xine-lib does not exist. |
| 05:19.05 | Caim | ToreSB: why's that? |
| 05:19.07 | mwilson | pzrael: There's always the ataraid module, but whyinhell you'd use it, I have no idea. |
| 05:19.09 | Justin_ | i should boot into os X once and see wht the volume is set to in there |
| 05:19.10 | simonrvn | ToreSB: ouch |
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| 05:19.16 | Fritz | ello ppl |
| 05:19.25 | Justin_ | last time I was here I had real speakers plugged into it so it wasnt a problem |
| 05:19.49 | Caim | Justin_: thanks for the pointers w/ X fonts the other night. |
| 05:19.54 | pzrael | mwilson: my problem is i don't want to run one any hd in slave mode. |
| 05:19.57 | Justin_ | Caim: huh? :) |
| 05:19.58 | Caim | Justin_: I'd never have known where to look for that. |
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| 05:21.51 | Caim | Justin_: i830MG chipset. X4.2. xdpyinfo. No RENDER extension. needed X 4.3 from experimental. |
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| 05:22.29 | Justin_ | Caim: oh yeah right |
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| 05:22.38 | Caim | burd: g'night. foad, and all. |
| 05:23.08 | Justin_ | simonrvn: a lot of things are broken on this stupid thing, still cant get dri to work |
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| 05:23.54 | simonrvn | Justin_: you booting with append="video=atyfb <etc>" ? |
| 05:23.58 | sinclaird | in courier-imap with mysql support users can authenticate if they don't have a real account. If the user has a local account authentication fails. What am I missing? It is authenticating against muysql |
| 05:24.13 | mwilson | pzrael: If you want RAID, either buy an actual RAID controller, or use kernel software RAID. |
| 05:24.13 | Justin_ | simonrvn: i dunno:-) |
| 05:24.20 | simonrvn | Justin_: check :) |
| 05:24.30 | simonrvn | yaboot.conf |
| 05:24.38 | Caim | pzrael: since you |
| 05:24.45 | Justin_ | /proc/cmdline :-) root=/dev/hda11 ro |
| 05:24.52 | simonrvn | guess not |
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| 05:24.56 | simonrvn | add it |
| 05:25.01 | Justin_ | i have the atyfb enabled though |
| 05:25.08 | simonrvn | it'll help with the dri and accel video |
| 05:25.14 | Caim | pzrael: since you're likely a cheap bastard, you'll be wanting to use the kernel software raid device (which is 'md', and works quite well.) |
| 05:25.18 | Fritz | can any1 help me ? i can't connect to my isp from linux, but i CAN from winblowz ... ? wtf ? |
| 05:25.22 | simonrvn | Justin_: what does /proc/fb say? |
| 05:25.31 | Justin_ | "0 ATY Rage128" |
| 05:25.35 | simonrvn | @tell Fritz about ask |
| 05:25.36 | Caim | pzrael: you likely don't need real hw raid anyway. (unless you're doing it for speed... in which case you shouldn't waste your time) |
| 05:25.38 | pzrael | Caim: is that possible to do after already installing a windows partition? |
| 05:25.42 | simonrvn | Justin_: /me hmms |
| 05:25.44 | Justin_ | if i disable fb, X wont start at all |
| 05:25.50 | pzrael | Caim: i am going for speed :\ |
| 05:25.57 | Caim | pzrael: what does a windows partition have to do with linux raid? |
| 05:26.15 | Justin_ | if I tell X to use 16 rather than 24, it enables dri, but X gets all messed up and hangs until I kill it |
| 05:26.28 | pzrael | Caim: i can't get linux to see my partitions at all during install. |
| 05:26.40 | Caim | pzrael: then get a 3ware raid0 card, if you want speed |
| 05:26.44 | cafuego | Justin_: atyfb on a pc? |
| 05:26.50 | Justin_ | cafuego: iMac :-) |
| 05:26.56 | Caim | pzrael: then your partition table is likely broken |
| 05:26.58 | cafuego | Justin_: Aah :-) |
| 05:27.03 | simonrvn | Justin_: you tried 15? also, try adding the video=atyfb, and i supppose you're using CVS DRI stuff? |
| 05:27.08 | Fritz | details : i can't authenticate myself on that number, i get pppd connected and killed .... but, from windows, authentication is working ... ? (TCP/IP - PAP) |
| 05:27.12 | Justin_ | and X only works with "ModeLine "1024x768" 78.53 1024 1049 1145 1328 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync" |
| 05:27.18 | cafuego | Justin_: mac atyfb has some freaky options |
| 05:27.19 | Justin_ | simonrvn: 15! forgot about that |
| 05:27.26 | pzrael | Caim: no, it's a problem with this stupid psuedo-raid promise shiat |
| 05:27.29 | Justin_ | simonrvn: no, 2.4.23 |
| 05:27.40 | simonrvn | Justin_: too old |
| 05:27.56 | cafuego | simonrvn: running vanilla 2.6.0 on the powerbook now btw |
| 05:27.58 | simonrvn | Justin_: the in-kernel stuff is too old. just enable it there, but don,t use it |
| 05:28.03 | simonrvn | canice |
| 05:28.08 | simonrvn | woops |
| 05:28.15 | simonrvn | got ahead of myself there |
| 05:28.31 | simonrvn | cafuego: |
| 05:28.33 | Caim | pzrael: can't say i can help you with such things. |
| 05:28.36 | Justin_ | oooh |
| 05:28.36 | simonrvn | 2.6.0-ben2 |
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| 05:28.46 | Caim | pzrael: promise sutff is hackish |
| 05:28.48 | cafuego | simonrvn: Where do the -benX patches live? |
| 05:28.54 | simonrvn | rsync |
| 05:29.03 | cafuego | promise stuff isn't actually hardware raid |
| 05:29.03 | simonrvn | no patches. they're pushed to mainline |
| 05:29.08 | pzrael | Caim: as i've discovered :| |
| 05:29.16 | cafuego | simonrvn: Ah ok, can't be arsed with rsync |
| 05:29.42 | simonrvn | cafuego: the rsync is the stuff that eventually gets into the mainline |
| 05:29.47 | Justin_ | "(EE) R128(0): [dri] R128DRIScreenInit failed (depth 15 not supported)." I'll get the cvs stuffs:-) |
| 05:29.58 | simonrvn | Justin_: :) |
| 05:30.04 | Justin_ | silly me thought it was supposed to work in 2.4.23 |
| 05:30.27 | simonrvn | you still need the support in the kernel, but the modules are too old |
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| 05:30.44 | Caim | pzrael: grab a 3ware card. make sure it's kernel supported. |
| 05:30.53 | pietvw | Howdy guys.... |
| 05:31.02 | Caim | pzrael: it's kind of hard to do work with toys. |
| 05:31.12 | cafuego | well, i can tell for sure now that 2.6 is a hella lot faster at spawning shells in screen then 2.4 was. |
| 05:31.13 | pzrael | Caim: blah, i'd hate upgrading this system anymore :\ |
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| 05:31.21 | pietvw | Can someone help me stop the console screen blanking that occurs? |
| 05:31.23 | simonrvn | not just guys in here, as you might find out if you stick around long enough |
| 05:31.39 | ljlane | pietvw, setterm and xset |
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| 05:31.56 | simonrvn | pietvw: /etc/console-tools/config, look for DPMS, turn that off, and what ljlane said |
| 05:31.58 | Caim | pzrael: so don't do raid0. simple. |
| 05:32.19 | cafuego | pietvw: ... if that doesn' |
| 05:32.21 | cafuego | t work |
| 05:32.22 | pzrael | Caim: then make my motherboard have more ide ports =) |
| 05:32.36 | cafuego | (i never got that to actually stick on 2.4.2X) you cna hack the kernel. |
| 05:32.49 | Caim | pzrael: erm. I don't think you understand what you're trying to do at all. |
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| 05:33.01 | pzrael | Caim: maybe not... |
| 05:33.10 | ToreSB | WHy the HECK is find running on my HD? |
| 05:33.17 | cafuego | pzrael: Buy a cheap promise ata133 card, use kernel software raid. |
| 05:33.18 | pietvw | ljlane: That would be the powersave function? |
| 05:33.24 | Caim | pzrael: more specifically, I don't think you understand raid. check tldp.org for the raid howto. |
| 05:33.28 | cafuego | ToreSB: updatedb |
| 05:33.38 | coolnewbie | can the installation path be specified manually when using apt-get |
| 05:33.39 | tix64 | ToreSB: 'cause it's 6:30 where you live. |
| 05:33.44 | Caim | pzrael: that will set you in the right direction; knowledge is power |
| 05:33.47 | pzrael | Caim: i understand how it works. |
| 05:33.52 | ljlane | pietvw: don't recall. Info is in the respective man pages. |
| 05:34.07 | Caim | tix64: lol |
| 05:34.10 | cafuego | ToreSB: It's a cron job that updates the database for 'locate'. |
| 05:34.11 | pietvw | Ok... anybody here got a PowerPC? |
| 05:34.23 | cafuego | pietvw: Several people. Which one, specifically? |
| 05:34.33 | Caim | tix64: I thought 6:30 was updatedb's daily running? |
| 05:34.43 | ToreSB | Ahhhhhh |
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| 05:34.49 | ToreSB | Thank you :) |
| 05:34.55 | tix64 | Caim: yes. and updatedb runs find. |
| 05:35.00 | Bergmann | i have a problem with my tv-card pinnacle pctv pro, i only get a blue screen when i start up xawtv or zapper, anyone got any tips? |
| 05:35.04 | beta3 | cafuego: good so I can hear him complain later on how is fucking raid won't work |
| 05:35.19 | beta3 | pzrael: buy a hardware raid card |
| 05:35.30 | pzrael | beta3: buybuy buy, not so easy when you have no job =) |
| 05:35.34 | pietvw | cafuego: I'm running a Power Mac G3 (Old World Beige)... |
| 05:35.44 | simonrvn | pietvw: what's the machine, and your problem? |
| 05:35.45 | Caim | tix64: I don't think I've ever noticed find running when an updatedb was in process. *shrug* |
| 05:35.49 | simonrvn | pietvw: oh my |
| 05:36.14 | beta3 | cafuego: I have a NewWorld Powerbook g3 |
| 05:36.20 | pietvw | cafuego: At least that's what I can figure out... I've got the current debian running on it... :) So now I'm trying to get all the bells and whistles working... |
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| 05:36.31 | cafuego | beta3: I have a newworld B&W G3 Workgroup Server |
| 05:36.45 | Caim | Bergmann: plug something into the card, maybe, so that it gets a signal. |
| 05:36.48 | cafuego | pietvw: Which kernel are you running? |
| 05:36.53 | tix64 | Caim: well, just look at /usr/bin/updatedb |
| 05:36.53 | simonrvn | pietvw: #1 if you want to boot with quik, use a scsi bus. the ide is fux0red |
| 05:36.55 | beta3 | cafuego: I hate windows ftp clients |
| 05:37.04 | beta3 | cafuego: the standard one won't copy my music over decently |
| 05:37.13 | beta3 | cafuego: pscp and psftp seemed to be borked |
| 05:37.17 | cafuego | beta3: I use winscp |
| 05:37.23 | Bergmann | Caim: i wish it was that simple.. it works under windows... |
| 05:37.26 | pietvw | cafuego: 2.2.20-pmac |
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| 05:37.42 | cafuego | pietvw: You *REALLY* want a 2.4 kernel |
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| 05:37.53 | simonrvn | pietvw: btw, #debianppc *is* populated, just have to ask your question, and wait. sooner or later someone will answer you |
| 05:37.54 | cafuego | pietvw: ... if not 2.6, if you can be bothered. |
| 05:37.56 | Aphrum | I have an audigy card and i compiled 2.6.0 with alsa support and included my card into my kernel. On boot my card is detected but when i try to play mp3's i don't get sound i am on testing running 0.9.7 alsa |
| 05:38.01 | Aphrum | anyone able to help me |
| 05:38.03 | bbc | I have a server , and 7 workstations (all Mac) , and I want to burn a CD ready to insert to a workstation and then this CD connects to the server and installs like an "image" (the same for the 7 computers) with all the applications that I require. Is there some utility like that? Or similar? |
| 05:38.06 | simonrvn | pietvw: upgrade that :) |
| 05:38.08 | VolVE | Hey all, I just apt-get'd bind9 and I need to create a new host entry... anyone care to spend inevitable at least a few minutes helping? :) |
| 05:38.21 | holycow | aphrum, plug in the speakers or turn up the volume :) |
| 05:38.25 | holycow | *ahem* |
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| 05:38.37 | cafuego | pietvw: PPC support in 2.2.x kernels is pretty rudimentary |
| 05:38.37 | holycow | thanku thanku, i'll be here all night! |
| 05:38.37 | Bergmann | Aphrum: aumix starts muted |
| 05:38.37 | holycow | :) |
| 05:38.48 | pietvw | simonrvn: Sure... providing that they care to answer and care to help you trouble shoot annoying problems... |
| 05:38.55 | holycow | wehat bergman said actually |
| 05:38.57 | Aphrum | Bergmann when i run aumix i get: error opening the mixer |
| 05:39.08 | cafuego | pietvw: Do you boot it with quik? |
| 05:39.11 | ljlane | bbc: fai, system imager, possibly others |
| 05:39.14 | simonrvn | pietvw: you were there all of 5 seconds |
| 05:39.16 | bbc | ok |
| 05:39.16 | bancus | What might cause the system thinking a partition is full when I've just deleted a gig and a half? |
| 05:39.19 | Aphrum | and when i try playing an mp3 with mpg123 i get can't find a suitable libao driver(Is device in use?) |
| 05:39.31 | Justin_ | Aphrum: install alsa-base |
| 05:39.35 | simonrvn | sorry 20 seconds |
| 05:39.35 | bancus | I highly doubt it filled it up again in the time it took me to type df |
| 05:39.38 | coolnewbie | hi do you know about any virus scanner for linux |
| 05:39.46 | cafuego | coolnewbie: amavis |
| 05:39.49 | pietvw | cafuego: Ok... Point me to the direction to update this system... (I'm still more familiar with R-Hat then with debian) So I need to run dselect... and do an update? |
| 05:39.52 | yaman | has anyone here used the `ndiswrapper` module for wireless cards? |
| 05:39.57 | Aphrum | Justin_ i have that installed, and my emu10k1 driver in the kernel is built in, my card is detected opn boot |
| 05:40.03 | simonrvn | coolnewbie: why, unless it'S to scan email coming in or going out from clients |
| 05:40.03 | pietvw | cafuego: bootx |
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| 05:40.11 | Justin_ | Aphrum: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
| 05:40.28 | cafuego | pietvw: Easy then, apt-get install kernel-image-FOO (use apt-cache search kernel-image to find a recent 2.4 kernel) |
| 05:40.52 | beta3 | cafuego: there has got to be something fucked with that win box, it can't connect to my ssh, and I throughly tested the port was open |
| 05:40.56 | cafuego | pietvw: Then install that kernel, copy the vmlinuz-2.4.X to your Linux Kernels folder |
| 05:41.10 | coolnewbie | simonrvn:i occasionaly connect my system to windows |
| 05:41.19 | Aphrum | Justin_ that givesteh same thing |
| 05:41.36 | cafuego | coolnewbie: linux is not susceptible to those viruses. |
| 05:41.36 | Aphrum | Justin_ how can i track the problem down, i am not using modules for my alsa, everything is built in statically |
| 05:41.40 | cafuego | coolnewbie: (at all) |
| 05:41.42 | Justin_ | eh |
| 05:41.46 | Justin_ | Aphrum: enable oss emulation then |
| 05:41.52 | Aphrum | in the kernel? |
| 05:42.02 | cafuego | beta3: check iptables |
| 05:42.02 | MightyMark | server kernel: 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 05:42.07 | cafuego | MightyMark: 2.4 |
| 05:42.18 | beta3 | cafuego: no, cause Im on the other box, and I can telnet into ssh port |
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| 05:42.31 | beta3 | cafuego: windows is too incompetent |
| 05:42.32 | cafuego | beta3: Using the wrong protocol? |
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| 05:42.41 | beta3 | cafuego: I think ssh2 is right |
| 05:42.47 | coolnewbie | cafuego:so are there any virus which would affect linux |
| 05:42.47 | cafuego | beta3: should be, yes |
| 05:42.53 | MightyMark | cafuego: man, I thought I'd get at least someone to argue the other way... :-P |
| 05:43.06 | MightyMark | cafuego: I agree though. |
| 05:43.06 | ToreSB | I just read something that might shed some light on something I've been thinking about |
| 05:43.08 | cafuego | coolnewbie: Yes, but they can only infect you if you 1) run redhat and 2) are totally incompetent |
| 05:43.16 | cafuego | MightyMark: well |
| 05:43.26 | ToreSB | Can LCD's wear out and start to flicker? |
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| 05:43.36 | coolnewbie | cafuego:i use debian sarge so am i safe |
| 05:43.38 | cafuego | MightyMark: I booted my main server with 2.6.0 this morning :-/ |
| 05:43.42 | beta3 | cafuego: its saying connection refused |
| 05:43.42 | cafuego | coolnewbie: yes |
| 05:43.46 | beta3 | cafuego: stupid winshit |
| 05:43.47 | MightyMark | cafuego: and? |
| 05:43.55 | coolnewbie | cafuego:thanks |
| 05:43.58 | cafuego | MightyMark: Well, it hasn't crashed yet ;-) |
| 05:44.03 | ToreSB | cafuego: a) You silly silly man b) Cool! |
| 05:44.05 | Aphrum | Justin_ do i need like alsaplayer-daemon?? |
| 05:44.11 | Justin_ | no |
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| 05:44.14 | MightyMark | ToreSB: yes, they can do lots of psychedelic colors too... |
| 05:44.21 | Justin_ | you need to read up on how alsa works... |
| 05:44.22 | cafuego | MightyMark: I decided to give it a go coz xmas & newyear is low season |
| 05:44.24 | Aphrum | Justin_ which alsa packages do i need in total? |
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| 05:44.30 | Aphrum | Justin_ ok where can i find info n that? |
| 05:44.33 | Justin_ | alsa-base |
| 05:44.34 | ToreSB | MightyMark: Huh? |
| 05:44.39 | MightyMark | cafuego: that's true. |
| 05:44.40 | bancus | /dev/hda6 59060832 56060696 0 100% /home |
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| 05:44.46 | cafuego | ToreSB: On the other hand, I did keep a 2.5.60 box up for well over 200 days. |
| 05:44.46 | ToreSB | MightyMark: Geek humour? |
| 05:44.48 | bancus | there's something wrong with that |
| 05:44.52 | beta3 | cafuego: remind me to destroy putty also |
| 05:45.00 | ToreSB | cafuego: sheed - well done :D |
| 05:45.07 | yaman | i'm trying to get wireless lan to work.. .i've installed the NDISWRAPPER driver, and configured it, and ive configured my device with 'iwconfig'... however, when i try to `ifup eth1`, it says that eth1 is unknown.. anyideas? |
| 05:45.24 | Justin_ | Aphrum: try Documentation/sound/alsa |
| 05:45.30 | ToreSB | cafuego: I became a linux freak and completely gave my soul to the GPL an Linux around the time 22 came out |
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| 05:45.36 | cafuego | ndiswrapper is satan even more then nvidia. |
| 05:45.39 | ToreSB | 2.4.22, that is |
| 05:45.42 | Justin_ | yaman: what "device" did you configure with iwconfig |
| 05:45.56 | MightyMark | ToreSB: We were using an LCD that was dying at work, whenever the screen mode changed, it would display a wonderful array of color, as the (voltage/current?) disspiated from the screen (it obviously didn't display the next mode till you turned it off then back on) |
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| 05:46.20 | pietvw | Ok. Downloading new catalog... :) (My i686 machine is also doing updates..) |
| 05:46.33 | cafuego | Monolith (2.0.39) has been up for 184 days now. |
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| 05:46.55 | beta3 | cafuego: all I get is connection refused |
| 05:46.59 | pietvw | Nice uptime cafuego... |
| 05:47.00 | MightyMark | now to find some floppies for a net-install... |
| 05:47.11 | cafuego | beta3: Sure you're going to port 22? |
| 05:47.14 | beta3 | cafuego: yes |
| 05:47.22 | cafuego | beta3: telnet again? |
| 05:47.27 | coolnewbie | cafuego:is there anu man pages to know where the different the differen files will get installed when dpkg or apt-get is used |
| 05:47.50 | cafuego | coolnewbie: dpkg -L <foo> will list the package contents |
| 05:47.51 | yaman | Justin_, eth1 |
| 05:48.12 | beta3 | cafuego: still coming clear over telnet |
| 05:48.18 | cafuego | coolnewbie: for dpkg --contents foo.deb |
| 05:48.19 | Justin_ | yaman: well first of all nothing says "foo is unknown" so what does it say exactly |
| 05:48.20 | beta3 | cafuego: you try, ssh mirrorlynx.com |
| 05:48.30 | mdourado | boa noite... |
| 05:48.43 | yaman | Justin_: Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1. |
| 05:48.47 | coolnewbie | cafuego:thanks |
| 05:48.50 | cafuego | beta3: @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ |
| 05:48.57 | cafuego | beta3: Remove your keyfiles on windoze |
| 05:48.59 | Optim | I just finished debian install on a toshiba 2180cdt laptop. it cannot boot: it says: it lists some code, then it says "0 Kernel Panic: Aiee killing interrupt handler, in interrupt handler - not syncing" |
| 05:49.02 | Justin_ | yaman: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:49.10 | beta3 | cafuego: what do you mean by that? |
| 05:49.23 | yaman | Justin_, its not in there. do i need to add it manually? |
| 05:49.27 | Justin_ | yes |
| 05:49.27 | cafuego | beta3: The IP changed since my last login. |
| 05:49.43 | beta3 | cafuego: o ok |
| 05:49.50 | beta3 | cafuego: how do I destory the keyfiles |
| 05:49.50 | Optim | does that means that Debian is not compatible with my laptop? |
| 05:49.57 | ToreSB | MightyMark: I have exactly that happening |
| 05:50.09 | mdourado | onde estou? |
| 05:50.26 | cafuego | beta3: Find yer putty dir, move 'em out |
| 05:50.35 | ToreSB | MightyMark: But that's memory corruption as a non-specific laptop driver changes modes |
| 05:50.48 | bancus | my system is not reclaiming unused inodes or something |
| 05:50.48 | ToreSB | MightyMark: Or, it could be the voltage/current drop |
| 05:51.11 | beta3 | cafuego: no keyfiles there |
| 05:51.16 | cafuego | beta3: hrm |
| 05:51.28 | cafuego | beta3: They have to be somewhere, try documents & Settings/ |
| 05:51.34 | ToreSB | Is there an emacs21 cron job!?? |
| 05:51.49 | cafuego | ToreSB: Undoubtedly |
| 05:51.56 | ToreSB | cafuego: Hee... |
| 05:52.22 | mdourado | quit |
| 05:52.35 | tix64 | ToreSB: yes. it steals all your memory. |
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| 05:53.29 | beta3 | cafuego: deleted putty.rnd, but still no luck |
| 05:53.35 | ToreSB | tix64: It was more after my CPU |
| 05:53.39 | pietvw | Off it goes... downloading the world... ;) |
| 05:53.45 | cafuego | beta3: that's the entryopy file, not the key file |
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| 05:53.49 | ToreSB | beta3: I know there's one more |
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| 05:54.03 | beta3 | cafuego: ughg |
| 05:54.04 | ToreSB | beta3: search for it as putty.* |
| 05:54.14 | ToreSB | It's in %WinDir% somewher |
| 05:54.16 | beta3 | ToreSB: too lazy, putty is fucked up |
| 05:54.20 | Demosthenes | any hints how to override dependency checking in apt-get? i'm trying to install emacs21 without getting all the X stuff. |
| 05:54.25 | beta3 | ToreSB: god damn, that whole machine is |
| 05:54.43 | cafuego | Demosthenes: What does 100Mb of X matter when you want to install 2Gb of emacs shit? |
| 05:54.44 | ToreSB | beta3: Then stop having Windows on it, numbskull |
| 05:54.44 | Optim | what is the "insmod" process? |
| 05:54.48 | yaman | Justin_, ok.. so i can ifup now.. |
| 05:54.48 | yaman | Justin_, is there a way to check if a specific eth* is working? ive never used more than one at a time |
| 05:54.49 | yaman | Justin_, like, can i tell 'ping' to use eth1 |
| 05:54.55 | Demosthenes | cafuego: i love you too ;] |
| 05:54.59 | ToreSB | cafuego: Emacs - the editor of the Gods |
| 05:55.25 | ToreSB | cafuego: I'm still looking for the key combo to edit the gods so that they're nicer to me :\ |
| 05:55.26 | Demosthenes | ToreSB: the huge bloated gods! but when you're a god, who cares! |
| 05:55.30 | tix64 | Demosthenes: install emacs21-nox |
| 05:55.31 | cafuego | ToreSB: I'd try it, but I only have an Athlon 2400+ with a Gb of ram; it won't run, too slow. |
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| 05:55.52 | Demosthenes | tix64: no package |
| 05:56.06 | ToreSB | cafuego: Stop being mean :) It runs perfectly together with a shitload of other apps on my c466/64MB |
| 05:56.13 | beta3 | ToreSB: I haven't used windows in a long time, I hate it |
| 05:56.18 | cafuego | ToreSB: *swap* *swap* |
| 05:56.31 | tix64 | Demosthenes: what? you don't use unstable? :P |
| 05:56.32 | ToreSB | cafuego: No, not really |
| 05:56.44 | beta3 | cafuego: ugh, I want my music collection nack! |
| 05:56.46 | beta3 | back |
| 05:56.47 | Demosthenes | tix64: dude, its going to be a server. |
| 05:56.47 | beta3 | !!! |
| 05:56.48 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 05:56.55 | beta3 | shut up dpkg |
| 05:56.56 | Demosthenes | tix64: i want to bog the machine down each time emacs load! |
| 05:56.59 | cafuego | beta3: Just ftp then or samba |
| 05:57.13 | beta3 | cafuego: its not responding to samba and its firewall isn't up |
| 05:57.18 | ToreSB | Emacs is a descendant of TECO which means I need to use it |
| 05:57.34 | jetx | where's the "somebody fsck'd up sid's timestamps & stuff" in the topic |
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| 05:57.42 | VolVE | Anyone got any idea how to get the 'host' command to use /etc/hosts before DNS ? :( |
| 05:57.56 | cafuego | VolVE: host never does that |
| 05:58.13 | ToreSB | VolVE: Erm, that's against what host does :\ |
| 05:58.20 | ToreSB | VolVE: Host queries a dns server |
| 05:58.23 | zeo33x | what could be the problem if system complain no space left on device and df -k still shows only 4 gig used out of 50 gig? im using reiserfs |
| 05:58.24 | VolVE | cafuego: well it seems that mail doesn't either, and that's kinda screwing-up my [simplistic] routing |
| 05:58.29 | ToreSB | VolVE: host, the program. |
| 05:58.32 | cafuego | VolVE: host uses a nameserver to resolve an ip or hostname. |
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| 05:58.34 | ToreSB | VolVE: Mail does. |
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| 05:58.42 | yaman | Justin_, sorry.. i died |
| 05:58.45 | Demosthenes | zeo33x: df -i |
| 05:58.51 | yaman | Justin_, i guess its bad to have two on at a time.. |
| 05:58.53 | ToreSB | yaman: Nothing to be sorry about. |
| 05:59.03 | ToreSB | yaman: ;) |
| 05:59.07 | VolVE | well I just installed bind9 but can't figure out hot to make a simple entry to work around this issue :( |
| 05:59.18 | jetx | anybody got a fix for fsck'd up sid? |
| 05:59.21 | zeo33x | Demosthenes: hmm |
| 05:59.21 | cafuego | VolVE: Just add a hostname to your zone |
| 05:59.26 | yaman | Justin_, anyways, my question was going to be, is there any way to have two running simultaneously and still be able to control what applications use what interface? |
| 05:59.26 | ToreSB | VolVE: #flood |
| 05:59.30 | yaman | ToreSB, hah |
| 05:59.52 | VolVE | ToreSB: I'm there |
| 05:59.57 | VolVE | cafuego: how... ? |
| 06:00.01 | jetx | :( |
| 06:00.09 | zeo33x | Demosthenes: what the hell, no inode is used! |
| 06:00.11 | cafuego | VolVE: Via the normal zone file syntax? |
| 06:00.31 | zeo33x | Demosthenes: probably cuz its reiserfs |
| 06:00.39 | VolVE | cafuego: I'm new to bind9, where are the standard zone files stored, hopefully I can figure-out the syntax |
| 06:00.47 | cafuego | VolVE: /etc/bind |
| 06:00.53 | jetx | dbsomething |
| 06:00.55 | Justin_ | yaman: yeah |
| 06:01.11 | Demosthenes | zeo33x: hmmm |
| 06:01.19 | yaman | Justin_, how? |
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| 06:01.41 | VolVE | cafuego: can I just use vi or do I need to go through some specific zone app? |
| 06:01.49 | cafuego | VolVE: $EDITOR will be fine |
| 06:01.56 | beta3 | cafuego: is it possible to rsync lets say linux-2.6.0.tar.gz to linux-2.6.1.tar.gz if it existed |
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| 06:02.13 | cafuego | beta3: No, binary file. |
| 06:02.39 | Justin_ | yaman: it depends on exactly what you are trying to do |
| 06:02.41 | yaman | Justin_, beacuse right now, every time i run 'ifup eth1' , i cant use eth0 |
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| 06:02.53 | beta3 | cafuego: what about an iso? |
| 06:02.57 | VolVE | cafuego: hmm, so I create a new db.X file ? |
| 06:02.58 | jetx | there's a dual-nic howto iirc |
| 06:03.00 | cafuego | beta3: Same problem. |
| 06:03.05 | beta3 | cafuego: huh |
| 06:03.08 | ToreSB | yaman: I had exactly the same problem |
| 06:03.17 | cafuego | VolVE: Just copy an existing oenw to a new name and edit it. |
| 06:03.19 | jetx | think so VolVE, but not sure at all |
| 06:03.21 | yaman | ToreSB, i love it when i hear that :) what'd you do? |
| 06:03.34 | cafuego | beta3: one big binary file, rsync doesn't like that |
| 06:03.38 | ToreSB | yaman: Well, one is static, one dynamic, right? |
| 06:03.47 | VolVE | cafuego,jetx: any new name is fine... ? |
| 06:03.49 | yaman | ToreSB, they're both static |
| 06:03.56 | ToreSB | yaman: Even better. |
| 06:04.01 | cafuego | VolVE: yeah, just choose something descriptive |
| 06:04.03 | ToreSB | Don't use ifup/down |
| 06:04.05 | Demosthenes | so, emacs jokes aside, how do i override apt's dependency checks? |
| 06:04.07 | jetx | VolVE, you know more than me now |
| 06:04.12 | ToreSB | use ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:04.17 | ToreSB | use ifconfig eth1 193.168.0.1 |
| 06:04.21 | cafuego | Demosthenes: --force-depends |
| 06:04.23 | Justin_ | ToreSB: eh, no |
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| 06:04.32 | Justin_ | yaman: you set a gateway for both? |
| 06:04.32 | cafuego | ToreSB: 193.X is reserved, mate |
| 06:04.41 | yaman | Justin_, yes. same gateway |
| 06:04.45 | CasaNova | I've just set up two monitors on my FX5200 nvidia card. I read about twinvies in Xc onfig and xinerama (or however its spelld) which is better for Mandrake 9.1 with KDE (2 CRT's) |
| 06:04.46 | ToreSB | cafuego: Justin_: was example |
| 06:04.47 | Justin_ | yaman: don't do that |
| 06:04.54 | yaman | Justin_, same gateway? |
| 06:04.58 | ToreSB | use ifconfig eth0 IP 1 |
| 06:04.58 | jetx | aptitude --without-recommends --without-suggests install some_package |
| 06:05.03 | ToreSB | use ifconfig eth1 IP 2 |
| 06:05.05 | Justin_ | yaman: 2 gateways |
| 06:05.12 | cafuego | CasaNova: Guess what, you're on #debian |
| 06:05.21 | yaman | Justin_: ... the gateway for my router is 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:05.22 | CasaNova | darn I do that all the time... oops |
| 06:05.26 | Demosthenes | cafuego: bad option ;] |
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| 06:05.36 | CasaNova | I gotta change my start up script :-) |
| 06:05.36 | Justin_ | yaman: you cant have two default gateways |
| 06:05.44 | cafuego | ah yes it's a dpkg one |
| 06:05.53 | ToreSB | CasaNova: You don't need to change scripts |
| 06:06.02 | bancus | Is there any way I can force a system to reclaim unused inodes? |
| 06:06.02 | CasaNova | When I get the server reinstalled back to debian I'll be back :-) |
| 06:06.04 | ToreSB | CasaNova: If you're enough of a power user to use 2 CRT's |
| 06:06.10 | yaman | Justin_: *quizical look* |
| 06:06.14 | VolVE | cafuego: do I need to restart bind after editting this new file, or is it live? |
| 06:06.15 | ToreSB | CasaNova: You're too intelligent for Mandrake |
| 06:06.26 | cafuego | !mock nvidia |
| 06:06.27 | Justin_ | yaman: you probably have to use the advanced routing tools to do that...i dont get what you are trying to do anyway |
| 06:06.29 | ToreSB | CasaNova: Or, Littlegirlydrake as I call it :P |
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| 06:06.39 | CasaNova | ToreSB : Always forget which PC Im on and jump right in here asking mnadrake question s :-( |
| 06:06.41 | Justin_ | if you have ethernet up, why are you using wireless? |
| 06:06.48 | cafuego | VolVE: Add the zone in named.conf, then use 'rndc reload' |
| 06:06.54 | yaman | Justin_: well its not important for me to run two at a time. i just wanted to do that in the meantime while iwas trying to get my Wireless card to work |
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| 06:07.10 | ToreSB | CasaNova: No problem. Just - just don't use mandrake! |
| 06:07.17 | cromd | greetings all ... g'day troubled |
| 06:07.17 | Justin_ | yaman: oh, then just dont set the gateway |
| 06:07.33 | yaman | Justin_, for eth1? |
| 06:07.57 | beta3 | cafuego: heh, I hate winblowz |
| 06:07.58 | yaman | Justin_, ok, now theyre both UP |
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| 06:08.07 | beta3 | cafuego: need my music :( |
| 06:08.38 | jetx | why doesn't "initializing" a partition erase it? even deleting the part and recreating it and re-initializing it doesn't erase the files for me |
| 06:09.08 | yaman | Justin_, now i just have to figure out if eth1 is actually working :) if i put eth0 down, will everything automatically try to go through eth1? |
| 06:09.31 | VolVE | cafuego: does zone "..." have to be anything specific, or just another descriptive name ? |
| 06:09.40 | VolVE | cafuego: ( in named.conf ) |
| 06:09.53 | Whistleboy | anyone familiar with how to handle erratic PS2 mouse behavior on a 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:10.18 | yaman | Whistleboy, try passing psmouse_noext=1 to the kernel |
| 06:10.19 | jetx | apt-get remove gpm worked for me in a 2.4 kernel |
| 06:10.51 | yaman | brb |
| 06:11.10 | Whistleboy | yaman: can I stick it in lilo.conf? |
| 06:11.26 | zeo33x | how can i quickly create a large temp file containing garbage? |
| 06:11.39 | ToreSB | zeo33x: Why would you want to do that? |
| 06:11.49 | ToreSB | zeo33x: but hold on, I'll get it for ywa |
| 06:11.51 | Whistleboy | zeo33x: mount a Windows partition? |
| 06:11.55 | zeo33x | Whistleboy: hah. |
| 06:11.57 | ToreSB | Whistleboy: Haha |
| 06:12.00 | beta3 | cafuego: what does cryptoloop do if its not password encrypted? |
| 06:12.04 | beta3 | its quite useles |
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| 06:12.21 | zeo33x | I want to see the max byte this partition will hold |
| 06:12.23 | De_Mon | Whistleboy why not just use the correct protocol instead? |
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| 06:12.40 | Whistleboy | zeo33x: can't you read from /dev/random? |
| 06:12.48 | zeo33x | Whistleboy: i am, but its going so slow |
| 06:12.57 | zeo33x | Whistleboy: im doign this dd if=/dev/urandom of=img count=8000000000 |
| 06:13.05 | VolVE | ToreSB: [beacuse I think you'll know ;)] what do I need to set in which conf files to have my system /only/ use bind running on it's self ? |
| 06:13.20 | De_Mon | zeo33x add the bs=1024 option |
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| 06:13.23 | ToreSB | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/tmp/bigfile bs=1k count=10000000 <- 10 GB |
| 06:13.27 | zeo33x | De_Mon: ah i see |
| 06:13.43 | ToreSB | VolVE: Edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:13.45 | Whistleboy | De_Mon: what do you mean use the correct protocol? I am using the correct mouse protocol. |
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| 06:14.08 | De_Mon | Whistleboy shrug, mouse doesnt seem to think so |
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| 06:14.28 | ToreSB | Argh, my ear is popping all the time |
| 06:14.28 | zeo33x | ToreSB: thanx ;) |
| 06:14.36 | Whistleboy | De_Mon: seems that the 2.6 kernel has some issues with mice |
| 06:14.48 | ToreSB | And there's a wierd lump behind ther :S |
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| 06:15.05 | ToreSB | Whistleboy: No, not really |
| 06:15.05 | Whistleboy | De_Mon: I have seen lots of old threads on it while googling, but was wondering what the recent thoughts on it were. I was hoping to find out the latest scoop here. |
| 06:15.30 | Whistleboy | ToreSB: No, not really, what - issues with mice? |
| 06:15.33 | ToreSB | Whistleboy: gpm screws X mice because it locks the mouse that the kernel |
| 06:15.42 | ToreSB | presents to X |
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| 06:15.59 | ToreSB | (2.6 introduces an input abstraction layer) |
| 06:16.22 | VolVE | ToreSB: I did - hmm, I guess my new zone file didn't work or something... gah :( |
| 06:16.25 | Whistleboy | ToreSB: I don't have gpm installed |
| 06:16.36 | ToreSB | Whistleboy: Hmm, you sure? |
| 06:16.47 | ToreSB | Whistleboy: Anyway, you need to probe a ton of new modules: |
| 06:17.06 | ToreSB | input, mousedev, psmouse, usbmouse, hid, uhci-hcd are safe bets |
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| 06:17.35 | Whistleboy | ToreSB: just tried removing it and it said it wasn't installed |
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| 06:18.13 | ToreSB | Oh dear lord it's 7am |
| 06:18.39 | ToreSB | I'm so AFK, it's scary. Catch y'all on the flipside |
| 06:19.16 | Demosthenes | is dpkg the only way to override the dependencies? |
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| 06:19.23 | Whistleboy | ToreSB: by probe, do you mean modprobe? I am new to 2.6 and am only slightly aware of the differences, some of which I am to understand have to do with modules. |
| 06:19.25 | Lathiat | is it just me or is XF86 broken in unstable atm? |
| 06:19.37 | ToreSB | Whistleboy: I do mean modprobe, yes. |
| 06:19.40 | FIshY_ling | hello... |
| 06:19.58 | ToreSB | FIshY_ling: Are you female? |
| 06:20.08 | Demosthenes | oi! |
| 06:20.13 | FIshY_ling | can someone help me ...i have a simple question bout this debian.. i m not good is this os stuf... |
| 06:20.17 | Whistleboy | ToreSB: Hmmm, I am getting lots of module not founds. |
| 06:20.18 | FIshY_ling | ya |
| 06:20.21 | ToreSB | FIshY_ling: Then screw sleep. What can I do for you? |
| 06:20.34 | fishy | bah fishy_ling |
| 06:20.43 | FIshY_ling | i just wanna knoe who is the target user of this debian |
| 06:20.50 | azreal | Whistleboy: you need to install module-init-tools for 2.6 modules |
| 06:20.53 | bztunk | FIshY_ling: you are a girl? |
| 06:21.05 | FIshY_ling | errm.. ya... why ? |
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| 06:21.16 | tix64 | Demosthenes: yes, in a way. if you wanna use dpkg options with apt, look at man 5 apt.conf |
| 06:21.17 | bztunk | FIshY_ling: do you have pictures? |
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| 06:21.29 | Whistleboy | ToreSB: I did install module-init-tools. |
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| 06:21.54 | FIshY_ling | err... sorry .. dun haf |
| 06:21.58 | initech | oh jesus |
| 06:22.04 | bztunk | hahaha it's ok |
| 06:22.07 | initech | FIshY_ling: just ask |
| 06:22.21 | fishy | FIshY_ling: the OS is targeted to everyone |
| 06:22.23 | ToreSB | Whistleboy: It should already be there. |
| 06:22.44 | _Sebas | Hi... Does anybody can help me with some questions about upgrading from Woody to Sarge? |
| 06:22.53 | bztunk | _Sebas: just ask |
| 06:22.58 | Whistleboy | ToreSB: the modules should already be there? |
| 06:23.21 | ToreSB | Whistleboy: Yeah, they are part of the kernel |
| 06:23.30 | Whistleboy | ToreSB: I don't get very much off of lsmod |
| 06:23.44 | Whistleboy | ToreSB: lp,parport, parport_pc |
| 06:23.46 | _Sebas | Well... is this easy as to modify sources.list and do an apt-get upgrade-dist ? |
| 06:24.08 | bztunk | _Sebas: depends on what you have installed, but usually yes |
| 06:24.24 | FIshY_ling | thanks |
| 06:24.35 | _Sebas | Is a new fresh installation. I just want to test Sarge. |
| 06:24.46 | Whistleboy | ToreSB: methinks I need to read up on 2.6 modules. Any good places to get up to speed? |
| 06:24.49 | _Sebas | By now is only base system. |
| 06:24.54 | bztunk | _Sebas: if you only have the base system, you should be ok |
| 06:25.20 | VolVE | How do I see what DNS servers were assigned via DHCP ? |
| 06:25.22 | _Sebas | Tanks...! I will try. |
| 06:25.22 | bztunk | dpkg: test |
| 06:25.22 | dpkg | No, bztunk, you're not online any more. |
| 06:25.23 | tix64 | _Sebas: generelly speaking, yes. but i would advise you to use a more high-level tool with support for more serious dependencies unbreaking. like aptitude for example. |
| 06:25.30 | bztunk | VolVE: read /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:26.15 | VolVE | bztunk: I have editted that file, but I'm not sure if DHCP DNS is overring my nameserver 127.0.0.1 entry |
| 06:26.36 | bztunk | VolVE: if it works, it should overwrite |
| 06:27.01 | bztunk | FIshY_ling: so... what do you to for a living? |
| 06:27.02 | Whistleboy | VolVE: The trick is getting it to NOT overwrite it |
| 06:27.26 | Whistleboy | VolVE: or rather, to allow the localhost one to remain after DHCP has dont its magic |
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| 06:28.20 | VolVE | well I've editted that file to only 'nameserver 127.0.0.1' and I have bind9 setup and I created a new zone file but it doesn't seem to be working, so I'm not sure if my zone file is wrong or if DHCP DNS is overriding :( |
| 06:28.20 | bztunk | VolVE: and for that, you edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 06:29.08 | bztunk | VolVE: dhcp, by default, overwrites /etc/resolv.conf, yes |
| 06:29.25 | VolVE | bztunk: hmm, well then... |
| 06:29.36 | Demosthenes | cafuego: apt-get install emacs -o "DPkg::Options='--force-depends'" doesn't seem to work :P |
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| 06:31.22 | tix64 | Demosthenes: what does it do? |
| 06:31.35 | VolVE | bztunk: apparently my zone file didn't work because using localhost host bind it's still seeing the old entry for my domain :( |
| 06:32.06 | cafuego | aiyee |
| 06:32.19 | bztunk | VolVE: possible... |
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| 06:33.00 | VolVE | bztunk: any idea if the zone "..." name in /etc/bind/named.conf has to be in any specific format? |
| 06:33.12 | cafuego | VolVE: Yes, it does. |
| 06:33.22 | VolVE | cafuego: well, that's probably the problem |
| 06:33.33 | cafuego | VolVE: What do you have there now? |
| 06:33.51 | VolVE | cafuego: just a descriptive name... |
| 06:34.11 | cafuego | VolVE: 'zone "domain.com" {' |
| 06:34.29 | bztunk | i freaking hate configuring bind |
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| 06:35.05 | VolVE | cafuego: hmm, well at least that gives me an error when I test with 'host'... A record not found for my domain |
| 06:35.07 | VolVE | sweet |
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| 06:35.17 | bucky | moo |
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| 06:35.41 | holy_cow | hola |
| 06:35.43 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.44 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.44 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.44 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.44 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:35.46 | holy_cow | its so weird being back on suze :) |
| 06:35.48 | holy_cow | heh |
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| 06:36.00 | holy_cow | wb :) hehe |
| 06:36.03 | holy_cow | i'm keepin that |
| 06:36.04 | holy_cow | lol |
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| 06:36.33 | beta3 | hey holy_cow |
| 06:36.35 | roler | what package in debian installs apache-php support? |
| 06:36.36 | VolVE | cafuego: in named.conf, my new entry should be "type master;" right? |
| 06:36.37 | Evaquator | wassup |
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| 06:37.01 | VolVE | the db file I made seems ridiculously simple: 192.168.0.2 IN A domain.com |
| 06:37.02 | VolVE | :-/ |
| 06:37.02 | s1ut | Hiya ;-) |
| 06:37.03 | holy_cow | hey beta :) |
| 06:37.16 | VolVE | what, wrong way round... |
| 06:37.34 | VolVE | my db file is: domain.com IN A 192.168.0.2 |
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| 06:37.49 | s1ut | I <3 the topic |
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| 06:38.00 | Evaquator | I have 2.4.22 firewall which stalls ordinarry data transmittions done with netcat... But if I first pipe the data through uuencode, then the data gets through at a nice speed... how can it be? |
| 06:38.05 | s1ut | So when is the 2.6 deb coming out :-P |
| 06:38.12 | roler | what package in debian installs apache-php support? |
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| 06:39.18 | Demosthenes | tix64: same thing it does without the -o option ;] |
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| 06:39.53 | Evaquator | it is like the firewall is stalling transmissions which are not 7 bit clean |
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| 06:40.05 | deadcat | should i do the following? 1: install base woody, 2: upgrade to sid, 3: compile 2.6, 4: get X and config nvidia driver? |
| 06:41.05 | s1ut | deadcat: yes, but make sure you patch the nvidia driver (I dunno if nvidia has released an offical one for 2.6 or not) |
| 06:42.39 | Demosthenes | tix64: i'm just trying to avoid installing allthe X crap and install just base emacs ... |
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| 06:42.58 | deadcat | s1ut: yes sir. (=. |
| 06:43.02 | VolVE | cafuego: I think the problem is knowing what to set the SOA line to for the nameserver in the bind db file... :( |
| 06:43.06 | tamran | can I take a small poll of who is awake? |
| 06:43.08 | Demosthenes | on another note, i've got base woody, updated against security.debian.org, and yet i'm still at openssh 3.4p1? how's that secure? |
| 06:43.13 | Demosthenes | tamran: woo! |
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| 06:43.23 | tamran | what window managers does everyone use? |
| 06:43.28 | s1ut | just because I'm in a linux channel and my name is s1ut no one thinks I am a girl eh? |
| 06:43.46 | tix64 | Demosthenes: well then try --force-yes with apt-get. if that fails, you have to manually download the deb and install it with dpkg -i --force-depends. but beware, i just gave you enough hints to make your system unusable. |
| 06:43.56 | deadcat | s1ut: guys can be sluts too (=. i call my friends sluts hahah |
| 06:44.06 | bucky | hi s1ut ! |
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| 06:44.18 | s1ut | Hiya bucky baby |
| 06:44.24 | bucky | :^) |
| 06:44.47 | dave_ | easiet way to install pine on debian 3.0? |
| 06:44.51 | nictuku | ~pool? |
| 06:44.53 | s1ut | apt-get install pine? |
| 06:45.06 | deadcat | dave_: apt-get.org |
| 06:45.09 | tamran | slut, I believe you're a girl ... a slutty one probably :) |
| 06:45.17 | s1ut | Good ;-P |
| 06:45.22 | tamran | hehe |
| 06:45.24 | tix64 | Demosthenes: what is the debian version of your openssh installation? |
| 06:45.35 | tamran | so, window managers? :) |
| 06:45.52 | nictuku | ~tell tamran about pool |
| 06:46.02 | nictuku | hmm |
| 06:46.02 | deadcat | bucky: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 06:46.10 | streuner | dave_: /msg dpkg pine |
| 06:46.21 | bucky | lol |
| 06:46.57 | s1ut | Gah! |
| 06:46.58 | s1ut | German. |
| 06:47.10 | streuner | dave_: any problems yesterday with lilo? |
| 06:47.28 | tamran | nictuku, I don't fear rabid weasles :) ... so what window manager do you use? |
| 06:47.28 | s1ut | Yay English! |
| 06:47.29 | Demosthenes | tix64: 3.4p1-1.woody.3? |
| 06:48.04 | VolVE | OK! I got my new zone file to work, and I editted ./etc/resolv.conf to only 'nameserver 127.0.0.1' and 'host -v domain.com 127.0.0.1' returns the correct info, however, 'host -v domain.com' is still using DHCP-assigned DNS... gah... make it stop! :( |
| 06:48.14 | tix64 | Demosthenes: that's security patched. everything's fine :) |
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| 06:48.23 | dave_ | Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x pine_4.44-4.dsc' failed |
| 06:48.31 | tix64 | !sunday |
| 06:48.31 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. see monday |
| 06:48.40 | dave_ | E: Child process failed?? |
| 06:48.46 | Demosthenes | tix64: ah! but how did you know that ;] |
| 06:48.47 | s1ut | !monday |
| 06:48.48 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 06:48.53 | s1ut | .... |
| 06:48.59 | s1ut | I was hoping for a Bangals reference |
| 06:49.13 | Demosthenes | tix64: this is precisely why i'm looking into using debian for servers.... i enjoy gentoo, but gentoo installations a year old are virtually unupdateable... |
| 06:49.26 | tix64 | Demosthenes: http://security.debian.org/ told me :P |
| 06:49.26 | Demosthenes | tix64: i understand alot of things are backported, is that the case here? |
| 06:49.28 | dave_ | streuner- upgraded the kernel to 2.4 finally!!! |
| 06:49.37 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:49.38 | bucky | Bangles, they're hot |
| 06:49.46 | Demosthenes | tix64: ah ;] |
| 06:49.49 | beta3 | dave_: lil slow, 2.6 is out! :) |
| 06:49.55 | KrywaQ | Ich habe Probleme |
| 06:49.56 | Desiac | heheh |
| 06:49.58 | streuner | dave_: :-) |
| 06:49.59 | tix64 | Demosthenes: yep. just the critical fixes. no new features in a stable distribution. |
| 06:50.09 | s1ut | bucky: And they had a few hits during the 80's :-) |
| 06:50.25 | streuner | KrywaQ: who have none? |
| 06:50.39 | s1ut | Okay s1utty is going to learn how to use sodipodi well now |
| 06:50.41 | KrywaQ | Jag har slut kvar. |
| 06:50.54 | Demosthenes | tix64: *nod* |
| 06:51.05 | Demosthenes | tix64: so how do you manage a stable/unstable mix? |
| 06:51.18 | Demosthenes | tix64: i may like backported ssh, but nesses and nmap i'd prefer latest |
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| 06:51.48 | streuner | KrywaQ: just ask |
| 06:51.50 | woop | hey am on a IBM laptop how do i make the mouse work? |
| 06:51.54 | Aphrum | Anyone know if xine works with 2.6.0? i am having problems compiling xine-ui |
| 06:52.15 | streuner | Aphrum: no problems with unstable version here... |
| 06:52.24 | deadcat | woop: psaux? |
| 06:52.31 | Aphrum | streuner did you compile xine or get a package? |
| 06:52.33 | deadcat | Aphrum: compile or apt-get? |
| 06:52.43 | Aphrum | compile |
| 06:52.46 | woop | deadcat thats for the little red dot in the middle of the keyboard? |
| 06:52.52 | streuner | Aphrum: binary |
| 06:52.55 | KrywaQ | streuner: I am stupid. |
| 06:53.05 | deadcat | woop: ya. just set it to psaux should be fine. |
| 06:53.10 | tix64 | Demosthenes: i first look at http://www.apt-get.org/ . if i don't find a backport there, i do one myself. |
| 06:53.10 | Aphrum | latest version...i compiled xine-lib-1rc3 and then i get an error when compiling xine-ui |
| 06:53.21 | streuner | KrywaQ: if you say that from yourself.... |
| 06:53.37 | dave_ | whoever said apt-get.org, thanks!!! |
| 06:53.38 | Aphrum | deadcat /usr/lib/libxine.so undefined reference o SCSI_BLK_MAJOR |
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| 06:53.43 | KrywaQ | streuner: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null |
| 06:53.53 | woop | deadcat k thx and another question this brought a ati 7500 the kernel frambuffer on or off? |
| 06:54.18 | deadcat | woop: on i guess. (= |
| 06:54.38 | woop | k thx |
| 06:54.44 | woop | gonna stay here if something comes up |
| 06:54.50 | deadcat | dave_: np (= |
| 06:54.53 | Demosthenes | tix64: so what if i wanted to use unstable for emacs-nox, but leave the rest of the box on stable? |
| 06:54.56 | Aphrum | deadcat any idea what that means? |
| 06:55.04 | deadcat | i got that for my friend's server from apt-get.org too |
| 06:55.28 | deadcat | Aphrum: nope. never compile xine from source before.. didnt work for me )= |
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| 06:56.09 | cromd | you busy troubled? |
| 06:56.18 | tix64 | Demosthenes: that's a little harder. emacs21 apparently wasn't backported yet. you'd have to try yourself. often it is not that hard. |
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| 06:58.09 | tix64 | Demosthenes: and you definitely don't want to upgrade your libc. so, maybe you have to use another editor (zile or jed come to mind). |
| 06:59.00 | Demosthenes | tix64: i'm practicing for having this occur on other software i need. emacs is just the first. |
| 06:59.08 | woop | hmm when i try to startx it says ati pci/agp in slot 1:0:0 could not be detected (EE) No devices detected Fatal Server Error : No Screens Found |
| 06:59.13 | Demosthenes | tix64: just frustrated i can't quickly override the dependencies. |
| 06:59.30 | tonym | shortcircuit.net.au |
| 06:59.38 | streuner | woop: what videocard do you have? |
| 06:59.57 | woop | i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and checked that i've selected ati as a driver |
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| 07:00.06 | ToreSB | EMACS: Equine Mammals Are Considerably Smaller ^_^ |
| 07:00.09 | sgeigerbot | fhffhqvb: I got mysql reconfigured for Christmas. What did you get? |
| 07:00.17 | woop | ati radeon 7500 mobility (am on a laptop) |
| 07:00.19 | tix64 | Demosthenes: well, _much_ of the interesting software gets backported. and not being able to override dependencies is not a bad thing per se. many things can get screwed by this. |
| 07:00.44 | Demosthenes | tix64: i'm just trying to get used to apt, so i don't start compiling things by hand again :P |
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| 07:01.45 | tix64 | Demosthenes: hehe. well even that is not the worst thing that can happen. stow is just great for locally compiled software. |
| 07:01.46 | woop | aNY I |
| 07:01.53 | woop | er sorry any ideas streuner ? |
| 07:02.29 | yaman | has anyone here gotten a broadcom bcm43xx wireless card working with NDISWRAPPER? |
| 07:02.31 | Demosthenes | tix64: yep, i've created LFS boxen using stow before.... but i'm experimenting with debian to roll it out with automatic software updates... |
| 07:03.04 | streuner | woop: well, check out xfree86.org which X-version supports your card best, and visit ati.com read some docs their, they have (new) drivers as well.. |
| 07:03.35 | streuner | woop: finally, which version of X do you have? (X -version) |
| 07:03.42 | tix64 | Demosthenes: i see your point. alas, there are always trade-offs between stable and current software. |
| 07:04.21 | Demosthenes | tix64: yep. i'm just a minimalist... there's no real reason i can't install all the X crap just to install emacs, but the fact that its unnecessary is ugly on a server. |
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| 07:04.40 | woop | streuner 4.1.0.1 |
| 07:04.48 | sgeigerbot | fhffhqvb: I got mysql reconfigured for Christmas. What did you get? |
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| 07:05.14 | woop | runing kernel 2.2.20 (lol installed from woody cd) |
| 07:05.15 | bztunk | sgeigerbot: are you the real sgeigerbot? |
| 07:05.41 | sgeigerbot | bztunk: yes |
| 07:05.50 | streuner | woop: 4.1 doesn't support your Radeon prolly not, /msg dpkg xf4.3 debs, if you want to hold 4.1 just visit ATI, they have drivers which supports 4.1 and 4.3 as well .... |
| 07:05.56 | bztunk | sgeigerbot: k :D so you're not a bot huh? |
| 07:06.03 | tix64 | Demosthenes: minimalist and emacs don't mix that well. but okay :P everything will be fine, when the next debian release is made. it won't be centuries (so i hope at least). |
| 07:06.25 | Demosthenes | tix64: *laugh* thanks for the help. must login to work, l8r |
| 07:06.48 | tix64 | Demosthenes: you're very welcome. |
| 07:06.49 | sgeigerbot | bztunk: As far as bots go, I may be a little laggy, but it isn't polite to say so. I don't comment on how you dress.... |
| 07:07.18 | bztunk | sgeigerbot: why don't you upgrade your processor then? |
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| 07:07.31 | Demosthenes | sgeigerbot: bztunk dresses? i just thought he ircs naked. oh, wait, thats a worse thought. |
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| 07:08.14 | bztunk | Demosthenes: haha. heh, i could, but no, i don't irc naked |
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| 07:08.42 | zeo33x | anyone know why a 50 gig partition would be full at 4 gig? |
| 07:08.45 | zeo33x | im using reiserfs |
| 07:09.15 | bztunk | zeo33x: inodes? |
| 07:09.20 | tix64 | zeo33x: how many files do you have on that partition? |
| 07:09.24 | zeo33x | tix64: 1 |
| 07:09.36 | bztunk | one? |
| 07:09.39 | zeo33x | i thought it might be inode problem |
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| 07:09.54 | zeo33x | so i created a garbage file using dd and /dev/urandom |
| 07:10.18 | zeo33x | at around 4.1 gig it said no space left on device.. wtf |
| 07:10.34 | Demosthenes | oh |
| 07:10.36 | Demosthenes | OH! |
| 07:10.38 | tix64 | zeo33x: but i guess you can create more files without problem? |
| 07:10.43 | Demosthenes | is there a 4 gig file limit? |
| 07:10.56 | bztunk | possible |
| 07:11.06 | zeo33x | i doubt that |
| 07:11.13 | zeo33x | is there? |
| 07:11.16 | bztunk | can you create more files? |
| 07:11.28 | tix64 | i would try, but i don't have 4 gig free on a reiserfs partition. |
| 07:11.48 | bztunk | me neither |
| 07:12.05 | zeo33x | bztunk: yes, but only empty files |
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| 07:12.13 | zeo33x | it cannot hold anymore |
| 07:12.20 | bztunk | zeo33x: hum, wtf |
| 07:12.37 | zeo33x | hmm... maybe its got something to do with mother board bios not spporting 80gig drive |
| 07:12.46 | zeo33x | grr.. |
| 07:12.50 | zeo33x | lemme try something else |
| 07:12.52 | Caim | anyone here know what devfs was replaced with for 2.6? or was it removed? |
| 07:12.52 | zeo33x | thanx guys |
| 07:13.00 | zeo33x | Caim: replaced with sysfs |
| 07:13.03 | tix64 | zeo33x: how old is that motherboard? |
| 07:13.11 | Caim | zeo33x: hrm. |
| 07:13.12 | zeo33x | tix64: no old, bought in january |
| 07:13.14 | tix64 | zeo33x: uhm, no. |
| 07:13.26 | zeo33x | tix64: no |
| 07:13.27 | zeo33x | ? |
| 07:13.36 | zeo33x | well they dumped devfs anyways i heard |
| 07:13.59 | Caim | zeo33x: any idea where that's configured? |
| 07:14.03 | tix64 | Caim: devfs is still there. it's obsoleted, but works in a way. you may try udev instead. |
| 07:14.37 | bztunk | did anyone try udev here? |
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| 07:14.39 | Caim | tix64: if devfs has been replaced by sysfs, what need is there for udev? |
| 07:14.44 | bztunk | i want to try, but i'm scared |
| 07:15.02 | tix64 | Caim: sysfs has nothing to do with it. |
| 07:15.30 | azreal | sysfs is enabled by default, you have to mount it on /sys |
| 07:15.54 | tix64 | Caim: sysfs is something completely different. |
| 07:16.25 | azreal | sysfs is kinda like proc or something, i havnt really figured it out |
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| 07:16.55 | Caim | azreal: where's it configured from? (in the kernel build config) |
| 07:17.10 | azreal | Caim: its part of filesystems |
| 07:17.26 | tix64 | Caim: again, sysfs is _not_ a replacement for devfs. |
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| 07:18.40 | azreal | Caim: /usr/src/linux-2.6.0/Documentation/filesystems/sysfs.txt |
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| 07:19.08 | Caim | azreal: thanks. |
| 07:19.26 | Caim | tix64: yeah. just looking at what's available. I didn't dabble with 2.5.x at all. |
| 07:19.39 | Caim | the 2.6 devel cycle seemed to go by so quickly |
| 07:19.47 | Caim | I must've build 2 or 3 2.3 kernels |
| 07:19.52 | Caim | not one 2.5 |
| 07:20.08 | Caim | but then, time in general seems to be flying, too |
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| 07:21.01 | tix64 | Caim: if you still want to use devfs, you have to enable incomplete/development drivers in the code maturity options. |
| 07:21.14 | Caim | tix64: of course. |
| 07:21.30 | bucky | why does debian like kde when qt isn't exactly "free" ? |
| 07:21.54 | tix64 | bucky: it's free. it's licensed under GPL. |
| 07:22.02 | bucky | qt is? |
| 07:22.25 | bztunk | debian doesn't like kde, it doesn't give a shit about a DE for sure |
| 07:22.29 | tix64 | bucky: yes, it's triple licensed under commercial/QPL/GPL. |
| 07:22.37 | ToreSB | SuSE is an OK newb distro right? |
| 07:22.59 | tix64 | ToreSB: that depends on the 'newb'. |
| 07:23.10 | deadcat | wow.. the 2.6 compile didnt fail (= heheh |
| 07:23.14 | tix64 | ToreSB: i started with debian. |
| 07:23.19 | deadcat | ToreSB: yes. |
| 07:23.20 | Caim | bucky: hah! YOU WERE OWNED. |
| 07:23.22 | Caim | oops |
| 07:23.26 | ToreSB | Okay, thanks |
| 07:23.28 | Caim | caps were unintentional, i swear ;) |
| 07:23.55 | Caim | ToreSB: suse is fairly n00b friendly, yes |
| 07:24.20 | Caim | any of you guys use make-kpkg to build your kernels? |
| 07:24.27 | bztunk | of course |
| 07:24.34 | tix64 | Caim: yep. |
| 07:24.54 | deadcat | Caim just did |
| 07:25.22 | deadcat | anyone you use make-kpkg kernel_headers as well? |
| 07:25.52 | bztunk | no |
| 07:25.57 | tix64 | deadcat: never had the need for it. |
| 07:26.34 | deadcat | tix64: dont you need those if you want to compile drivers later on? or dont vmware require that shit? |
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| 07:26.54 | tix64 | deadcat: i guess so. |
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| 07:27.04 | bucky | hmm... version 2.2 is that old ? |
| 07:27.07 | azreal | tix64: where is udev in the kernel? |
| 07:27.09 | Penguin32 | hi folks, is there a deb for plugger and woody please? |
| 07:27.10 | deadcat | whats the use of kernel_headers ? i really dont know |
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| 07:27.26 | nictuku | how can i have kde in sid? kdebase seems borked |
| 07:27.28 | bztunk | azreal: it's userland |
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| 07:27.49 | bztunk | deadcat: if you only have the binary and not the kernel source |
| 07:28.01 | azreal | is it under usb? |
| 07:28.04 | tix64 | azreal: it's not in the kernel. it's purely handled in userspace. |
| 07:28.10 | azreal | ahh |
| 07:28.13 | azreal | ok |
| 07:28.16 | bucky | nictuku: it is borked |
| 07:28.19 | Caim | I've been having some 'problems'. been trying to get the thinkpad modules (apt-get install thinkpad-modules) to build with my kernels (using --added-modules thinkpad). (building 2.4.23) Everything seems to go off without a hitch, but when I install the package on a system, the thinkpad modules aren't present. any ideas? |
| 07:28.25 | nictuku | bucky: in sarge either? |
| 07:28.33 | deadcat | bztunk: oh. you mean /usr/src/linux right? |
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| 07:28.42 | bucky | nictuku: that i don't know |
| 07:28.48 | yaman | who wants to die? |
| 07:29.08 | deadcat | whos asking? |
| 07:29.10 | tix64 | yaman: i, but i don't know how. |
| 07:29.23 | yaman | i'm running `iwconfig eth1 essid $MYID`, and after that, i run `iwconfig eth1`, but essid still shows up as "". i have a broadcom 4320 card |
| 07:29.24 | bztunk | deadcat: not really... anyways, complicated stuff that i'm not really sure about |
| 07:29.31 | deadcat | k |
| 07:29.55 | deadcat | too bad i dont know any debian guru in SF,CA,USA )= |
| 07:30.08 | bucky | yaman: broadcom is not supported afaik |
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| 07:30.33 | yaman | bucky: sorry, i forgot to mention im using ndiswrapper |
| 07:30.44 | bucky | ic |
| 07:30.54 | snerfu | Hi. |
| 07:30.57 | yaman | bucky: its supposed to work with ndiswrapper |
| 07:31.28 | bucky | right, and i don't know how but apparently some people have gotten it to work |
| 07:31.52 | Caim | (for those that might be able to help, the precise command I'm using is make-kpkg --append-to-version -thinkpad --added-modules kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image) |
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| 07:32.06 | Caim | er |
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| 07:33.17 | Caim | make-kpkg --append-to-version -thinkpad --added-modules thinkpad kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image |
| 07:33.18 | Caim | rather. |
| 07:34.34 | snerfu | Do those new nvidia drivers work with 2.6? |
| 07:34.38 | snerfu | Without a patch. |
| 07:35.20 | snerfu | i read they had some probalems with NWN and stuff. |
| 07:36.10 | Lynux | what is that command to tell how large a dir is and all is childern too? :/ not a ls command. |
| 07:36.23 | snerfu | du |
| 07:36.53 | Lynux | k |
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| 07:37.33 | Penguin32 | whats the name of the xlib develepment package please |
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| 07:37.56 | tix64 | Penguin32: xlibs-dev |
| 07:38.08 | RobertABowie | how do i enable inet access to my apache web page, i have just installed and only can pullup the default page on the local box |
| 07:38.11 | Penguin32 | thx tix64 |
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| 07:38.18 | kendrick | hrm... packages.debian.org is down |
| 07:38.21 | kendrick | anyone got 'em? |
| 07:39.29 | kendrick | fhffhqvb - dork :^P |
| 07:39.35 | kendrick | i didn't ask when packages.debian would be back |
| 07:39.51 | kendrick | i just and SDL_mixer 1.2.5 :^P |
| 07:40.55 | azreal | kendrick: were not allowed to talk about packages.debian.org |
| 07:41.01 | kendrick | azreal - hehehe :) |
| 07:41.28 | kendrick | oy, i might just grab an RPM, run alien, and then dpkg install it |
| 07:41.37 | azreal | kendrick> oy, i might just grab an RPM, run alien, and then dpkg install it |
| 07:41.41 | azreal | oops |
| 07:41.41 | kendrick | unless someone feels like telling me how to pin packages from different deb branches :) |
| 07:41.55 | kendrick | i've always wanted to know how to do that :) |
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| 07:42.42 | kendrick | kewl, thanks fhff & dpkg :) |
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| 07:42.48 | azreal | kendrick: ill tell you what i did, to find stuff from p.d.o that i needed, someone said go to www.archive.org and look for it, i found what i needed there |
| 07:43.15 | kendrick | well, let's see if i can get apt to pull stuff for me before i go digging too much :) |
| 07:43.19 | FlyHigh6666 | HI have a problem with debian and phpmyadmin. the computer (lamp) is pc-peter-2.mydomaine.home if i call phpmyadmin (http://localhost/phpmyadmin) this error appear: pc-peter-2.mydomaine.home could not be found, olease check the name and try again. The Name is correct, ping on localhost with this name work, etc/hosts with this entry is ok ... may someone can help? |
| 07:43.58 | icecold | FlyHigh6666: What is up? |
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| 07:44.27 | tix64 | kendrick: get ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sdl-mixer1.2/libsdl-mixer1.2-dev_1.2.1-5_i386.deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sdl-mixer1.2/libsdl-mixer1.2_1.2.1-5_i386.deb . if you're on i386 that is. |
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| 07:44.38 | RobertABowie | how do i check mail in this client? |
| 07:44.44 | FlyHigh6666 | icecold cant start phpmyadmin |
| 07:44.52 | Justin_ | FlyHigh6666: http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ |
| 07:45.01 | tix64 | RobertABowie: in what client? |
| 07:45.12 | RobertABowie | bitchx client |
| 07:45.38 | tix64 | RobertABowie: but this is an irc client not a mail client. |
| 07:45.43 | kendrick | tix64 - i need SDL_mixer 1.2.5 :^/ |
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| 07:46.23 | Penguin32 | what dev package goes with 2.3.2.dsl-10 please |
| 07:46.28 | deadcat | any BAD or BALUG members here? |
| 07:46.32 | FlyHigh6666 | justin YES |
| 07:46.51 | RobertABowie | bitchx must see my inbox and report the msgs, disregard the dumbass question |
| 07:47.16 | tix64 | kendrick: i don't see a backport of 1.2.5 to woody. |
| 07:47.41 | deadcat | fhffhqvb: you are not a bot but i assume you have a script that tells dpkg to msg someone when they type something starts with "any" ? |
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| 07:47.59 | cafuego | any is a trigger? |
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| 07:48.01 | kendrick | tix - yeah, i need a SPECIFIC piece of functionality from newer 1.2.x mixer |
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| 07:48.10 | FlyHigh6666 | justin if i call http://localhost/phpmyadmin -> the error appear pv-peter-2.... could not be found |
| 07:48.22 | Justin_ | FlyHigh6666: i know |
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| 07:48.25 | mechan0r | apt is on the fritz |
| 07:48.26 | | mechan0r: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 07:48.30 | kendrick | deadcat - why? |
| 07:48.33 | deadcat | cafuego: did dpkg msg you? |
| 07:48.41 | cafuego | deadcat: nope |
| 07:48.42 | tix64 | kendrick: you need to backport it yourself. |
| 07:48.44 | deadcat | doh |
| 07:48.52 | deadcat | cafuego: maybe "anyone" |
| 07:48.59 | cafuego | anyone here? |
| 07:49.01 | mechan0r | apt-get is on the fritz |
| 07:49.07 | mechan0r | segfaulting |
| 07:49.09 | zeo33x | whats the difference between progsreiserfs |
| 07:49.12 | cafuego | deadcat: nope |
| 07:49.12 | zeo33x | and reserfsprogs |
| 07:49.15 | deadcat | damn. |
| 07:49.21 | cafuego | !info progsreiserfs |
| 07:49.23 | FlyHigh6666 | if i ping (shell) ping pc-peter-2.mydomaine.home ... no problem <1ms |
| 07:49.25 | cafuego | !info reiserfsprogs |
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| 07:49.26 | dpkg | progsreiserfs: (Tools for manipulating ReiserFS filesystems), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.3.0.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 07:49.30 | dpkg | reiserfsprogs: (User-level tools for ReiserFS filesystems), section admin, is optional. Version: 1:3.6.11-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 500 kB, Installed size: 1157 kB |
| 07:49.42 | zeo33x | cafuego: that dont say much |
| 07:49.43 | cafuego | deadcat: Aha, it did just then. |
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| 07:49.50 | deadcat | cafuego: heheh. |
| 07:50.05 | cafuego | zeo33x: the first is advanced, the second is the normal tools. |
| 07:50.15 | zeo33x | cafuego: good enough for me :) |
| 07:50.19 | zeo33x | cafuego: thanx |
| 07:50.20 | kendrick | deadcat - what did you want to know about BAD and BALUG!?! |
| 07:50.29 | cafuego | anyone have a stupid bot trigger? |
| 07:50.49 | songpenguin | what's the command to figure out what chipsets you're computer is using (I'm looking for my AGP controller) |
| 07:50.54 | mechan0r | very odd bug apt-get segfaults dpkg --configure -a (produces no output) fixes it |
| 07:50.59 | cafuego | songpenguin: lspci |
| 07:50.59 | FlyHigh6666 | OK something new !!! |
| 07:51.01 | tix64 | songpenguin: lspci |
| 07:51.06 | deadcat | kendrick: when you guys meet? |
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| 07:51.10 | cafuego | ~lart sussudio |
| 07:51.14 | songpenguin | cafuego: thanks |
| 07:51.21 | songpenguin | tix64: thanks |
| 07:51.34 | zeo33x | !seen sussudio |
| 07:51.35 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'sussudio', zeo33x |
| 07:51.37 | FlyHigh6666 | if i ping pc-peter-2 .. itr works if i ping pc-peter-2.mydomanine.home it didn't work ... |
| 07:51.43 | deadcat | kendrick: i would like you guys to show me compiling a kernel hehehe.. |
| 07:51.46 | cafuego | !rot13 sussudio |
| 07:51.46 | dpkg | fhffhqvb |
| 07:51.47 | zeo33x | where has that guy been? |
| 07:51.48 | FlyHigh6666 | i think its a problem with my domain |
| 07:51.56 | FlyHigh6666 | mydomain.home |
| 07:52.20 | kendrick | deadcat - well, i don't make it out to many BAD or BALUG meetings |
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| 07:52.48 | kendrick | but BALUG meets once a month on 3rd Tues. (Jan 20th is next) |
| 07:52.49 | cafuego | deadcat: I just finished one, too late. |
| 07:52.52 | deadcat | kendrick: too bad BALUG is in chinatown and BAD is around berkeley )= |
| 07:52.53 | kendrick | BAD meets whenever... |
| 07:53.03 | kendrick | deadcat - where are you? there are tons of other LUGs |
| 07:53.04 | deadcat | o |
| 07:53.14 | kendrick | here, /join #lugs with me |
| 07:53.23 | deadcat | kendrick: SF.. near city college of SF. |
| 07:53.32 | kendrick | ahhh |
| 07:53.41 | FlyHigh6666 | where can i change the domainname of the computer ? |
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| 07:54.20 | cafuego | yes |
| 07:54.29 | deadcat | FlyHigh6666: /etc/hostname |
| 07:54.54 | deadcat | oops |
| 07:56.48 | FlyHigh6666 | ok i think it is an error in the apache.conf |
| 07:57.11 | FlyHigh6666 | mydomain.home in the hostname mydomaine-home ... lol |
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| 07:57.20 | fritz | hello |
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| 07:57.44 | fritz | i've got problem with sound on my debian. It's not working. It's via on-board |
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| 07:57.59 | fritz | it's detected on startup, just, it's not working |
| 07:58.09 | zeo33x | fritz: what approach have you tried to solvingi t? |
| 07:58.09 | cafuego | fritz: change the volume |
| 07:58.23 | fritz | Via 686a audio driver 1.9.1 |
| 07:58.24 | fritz | PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:07.5 |
| 07:58.24 | fritz | ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: 0x8384:0x7609 (SigmaTel STAC9721/23) |
| 07:58.24 | fritz | via82cxxx: Codec rate locked at 48Khz |
| 07:58.24 | fritz | via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xDC00, IRQ 10 |
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| 07:58.58 | kendrick | you on foot, i suppose? |
| 07:58.59 | fritz | damn ... :( |
| 07:59.00 | kendrick | oops |
| 07:59.08 | songpenguin | do PS/2 prots count as serial ports when the kernel is concerned? |
| 07:59.13 | cafuego | songpenguin: no |
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| 07:59.22 | fritz | sorry, did anyone said somethin' ? |
| 07:59.22 | fritz | i've got kicked out .... |
| 07:59.47 | cafuego | fritz: Yes, you pasted a bunch of shit |
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| 08:00.23 | fritz | sorry for that, i've just wanted to paste info about sound from dmesg :) damn x :) |
| 08:00.49 | danac | my apt-get is acting weird i'm trying to install mozilla-firebird and i get this "dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `mozilla-firebird' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed." |
| 08:01.11 | ToreSB | Anyone have any idea on what a Maestro-3 Modem Acellerator is and how I can use it? |
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| 08:02.34 | Freakz | It's for linmodems |
| 08:02.57 | fritz | how can i fix my sound ? |
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| 08:03.39 | tix64 | fritz: change the volume. |
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| 08:04.52 | fritz | i got permission denied (dev/dsp) .... it's not volume :) |
| 08:04.53 | fritz | but, i've got modules for sound (lsmod) ... so i dont understand why isnt working |
| 08:04.54 | ToreSB | fhffhqvb: GAH i fucking know that you dimwit - I've been all over it since yesterday...! |
| 08:05.08 | ToreSB | fritz: You don't have the correct permissions |
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| 08:05.10 | ToreSB | fritz: su |
| 08:05.23 | tix64 | fritz: put your user in the sound group. log out, log in. |
| 08:05.34 | ToreSB | fritz: chmod 766 /dev/dsp ; chmod 766 /dev/mixer |
| 08:05.41 | tix64 | ToreSB: no!! |
| 08:05.42 | ToreSB | fritz: That helps :) |
| 08:05.50 | ToreSB | tix64: Why not? |
| 08:06.02 | tix64 | fritz: _don't_ do what ToreSB told you. |
| 08:06.20 | fritz | hehe, damn, it's working |
| 08:06.21 | smiller | anyone: is there anything that will list http publicly available files under a given directory? |
| 08:06.36 | fritz | i've started xmms as r00t |
| 08:06.44 | ToreSB | fritz: Indeed. |
| 08:06.59 | tix64 | !666 dps |
| 08:07.01 | fritz | hmm ... this sux :) i was using redhat for years and every time dsp was read-ed ok by other users |
| 08:07.02 | ToreSB | fritz: You need to ignore this foolish man and ask tix64 |
| 08:07.05 | tix64 | !666 dsp |
| 08:07.05 | dpkg | DO NOT chmod 666 /dev/dsp. That's horribly insecure -- people can write random noise to your speakers, or worse, they can listen to you via your microphone. Instead, add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio). |
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| 08:08.19 | tix64 | but okay, do to your machines what you want. you don't have to listen to me. |
| 08:08.35 | fritz | not working ... i've added my user to audio |
| 08:08.49 | mechan0r | cat /var/mail/spam | festival | fritz |
| 08:08.59 | fritz | mechan0r ? :) |
| 08:09.00 | mechan0r | you need to relogin |
| 08:09.25 | tix64 | fritz: now, log completely out and then log in again. then it should work (or at least you shouldn't have permission problems). |
| 08:09.45 | fritz | ok ...i hope so, i'll try ... if not, brb :) |
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| 08:11.30 | cafuego | hmm |
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| 08:13.30 | ToreSB | How would I plot a file that takes input from file, that is one word per entry and binary data |
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| 08:13.56 | yaman | ok, if this works, im going to have sex with the first person i see |
| 08:14.16 | ToreSB | I believe it's one byte per entry, sorry |
| 08:14.17 | yaman | iwlist eth1 scanning, now shows my access point |
| 08:14.19 | tix64 | yaman: i won't help you |
| 08:14.19 | cafuego | yaman: Look, it's george bush! |
| 08:14.28 | ToreSB | hahaha |
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| 08:15.06 | Orlino | hey guys, where is rc.local located |
| 08:15.14 | cafuego | Orlino: in slackware |
| 08:15.23 | Orlino | cafuego: nah, debian |
| 08:15.26 | randey | how do i find the which package provides /usr/bin/foo |
| 08:15.39 | cafuego | Orlino: No, rc.local is located in slackware, not in debian. |
| 08:15.43 | cafuego | randey: dpkg -S |
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| 08:16.05 | Orlino | cafuego: I have an iptables script, and want to run it auto at boot, where do I call it |
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| 08:16.23 | Penix | ~+rc.local |
| 08:16.25 | cafuego | Orlino: Run the script now, then /etc/init.d/iptables save active |
| 08:16.40 | cafuego | Orlino: if you configure iptables corerctly, the rules will autoload at boot time. |
| 08:16.54 | cafuego | !spank penix |
| 08:16.59 | bztunk | Penix: what's your size? |
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| 08:17.04 | yaman | im missing a step! im missing a step! hmmmmmmmmmm so close... card sees access point and everything, but when i load it with ifconfig, i still cant ping anything |
| 08:17.05 | Penix | ...what? |
| 08:17.11 | Orlino | cafuego: its not just iptables script, ip masq also |
| 08:17.16 | bztunk | Penix: you know what i mean |
| 08:17.24 | cafuego | Orlino: Yes, for the nat table. So? |
| 08:17.24 | randey | cafuego : thanks |
| 08:17.48 | Penix | what kind of sick fuck do you think I am |
| 08:17.56 | bztunk | haahah |
| 08:17.57 | cafuego | !gamp Penix |
| 08:18.02 | bztunk | a really. really sick fuck |
| 08:18.26 | Orlino | cafuego: ok I know what you mean, but all I want to do is run the script auto on boot |
| 08:18.36 | tix64 | Orlino: put the script into /etc/init.d and create respective symlinks with update-rc.d |
| 08:18.40 | cafuego | !gamp Penix |
| 08:18.49 | Penix | heh |
| 08:18.58 | bztunk | hahaa |
| 08:19.07 | ToreSB | Heehee |
| 08:19.10 | cafuego | !gamp Penix |
| 08:19.20 | Penix | ~cookie cafuego |
| 08:19.24 | Penix | ffs |
| 08:19.34 | bztunk | diss |
| 08:19.39 | ToreSB | uh |
| 08:19.48 | ToreSB | my laptop just went click |
| 08:19.50 | cafuego | gimme a soggy tim tam! |
| 08:19.59 | yaman | omg |
| 08:20.04 | yaman | im going to hit myself if its because the ip was taken |
| 08:20.05 | yaman | brb |
| 08:20.15 | ToreSB | and I could feel a vibration on the KB |
| 08:20.17 | Penix | what's with the fake apt |
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| 08:20.21 | ToreSB | too high uptime...? |
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| 08:20.28 | cafuego | So, who helped yaman and is now in for some lovin spank-sex? |
| 08:20.41 | cafuego | ToreSB: fan going? |
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| 08:21.35 | bztunk | ToreSB: stop the vibrator |
| 08:21.38 | ToreSB | cafuego: nope |
| 08:21.43 | ToreSB | bztunk: "lol" |
| 08:21.46 | cafuego | ToreSB: Should it be going? |
| 08:21.55 | ToreSB | cafuego: Nope |
| 08:21.57 | bztunk | "ok" |
| 08:22.01 | bztunk | haha |
| 08:22.03 | cafuego | ToreSB: Then it ain't broken. |
| 08:22.11 | ToreSB | bztunk: "dumbass" |
| 08:22.17 | bztunk | "stfu" |
| 08:22.26 | cafuego | !lolol bztunk |
| 08:22.26 | ToreSB | cafuego: I never said it was... but the clunk was unnerving |
| 08:22.46 | cafuego | ToreSB: Well, it may have been caused by a fan suddently locking up... but i guess not. |
| 08:22.49 | ToreSB | I want a LOLOL key... ;_; |
| 08:23.09 | ToreSB | cafuego: This thing has one fan and it RARELY turns on. |
| 08:23.09 | bztunk | it's 3 am here, that's what happens |
| 08:23.19 | cafuego | bztunk: Go to bed |
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| 08:23.22 | bztunk | no |
| 08:23.27 | cafuego | "yes" |
| 08:23.31 | bztunk | hahaha |
| 08:23.33 | ToreSB | BTW, what's the HD SMART monitor deb package again...? |
| 08:23.41 | ToreSB | Sun Dec 28 09:24:53 CET 2003 |
| 08:23.43 | cafuego | ToreSB: smartmontools or somesuch |
| 08:23.57 | bztunk | Sun Dec 28 03:23:56 EST 2003 |
| 08:23.58 | cafuego | Sun Dec 28 19:23:55 EST 2003 |
| 08:24.10 | Penix | ffs I hate parents these days. can't even poor an apple juice/fanta/solo mixture on someone elses kid when they swear at you all day and run off with your things |
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| 08:24.16 | bztunk | cafuego: not the same EST as I lol |
| 08:24.26 | cafuego | bztunk: No, I am in the real est. |
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| 08:24.34 | ToreSB | Penix: My grandma took everything in my room. |
| 08:24.34 | bztunk | cafuego: asia? |
| 08:24.43 | ToreSB | Penix: and I mean everything - even my piano. |
| 08:25.14 | ToreSB | And now she won't tell me where it is :( |
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| 08:25.27 | cafuego | bztunk: in a way |
| 08:25.56 | bztunk | hum ok |
| 08:26.08 | PhiberOptik | how do i get unstable netinst |
| 08:26.14 | bztunk | you don't |
| 08:26.18 | ToreSB | And it's not "Ahh! Good morning"-9am here |
| 08:26.29 | bztunk | ToreSB: it's what then? |
| 08:26.32 | PhiberOptik | stable sucks ;p |
| 08:26.34 | ToreSB | it's "One last compile- - - it will work this time for sure - one last"-9am |
| 08:26.36 | PhiberOptik | kde 2.2.2 pff |
| 08:26.42 | Penix | PhiberOptik: then use unstable |
| 08:26.48 | PhiberOptik | and impossible to apt-get kde 3.1.4 |
| 08:26.53 | Penix | PhiberOptik: no it's not |
| 08:26.54 | bztunk | ToreSB: wow |
| 08:26.56 | PhiberOptik | Penix: but how |
| 08:27.16 | Penix | PhiberOptik: if you don't know how, why do you think you're capable of handling unstable? |
| 08:27.25 | bztunk | PhiberOptik: you install with woody netinst, then you upgrade |
| 08:27.26 | smiller | anyone: know of a tool that lists all http publically available files in a given directory on a given server? |
| 08:27.28 | ToreSB | bztunk: I'm here with mah laptop |
| 08:27.31 | Penix | PhiberOptik: you can't seem to read simple documentation |
| 08:27.38 | cafuego | PhiberOptik: if you want unstable, use the stable netinst and when it asks for sources, input the unstable ones. |
| 08:27.41 | bztunk | ToreSB: are you a vampire? |
| 08:27.51 | colde89 | scanner cold not be used in sane (no deivces are avilible) in lsmod is detected any idea ?? |
| 08:27.55 | PhiberOptik | Penix: ive been reading whe whole manual, but it sucks unfort. |
| 08:28.24 | cafuego | oic, udev is making getty go nutty |
| 08:28.35 | ToreSB | bztunk: No, I am a geek. |
| 08:28.38 | bztunk | cafuego: so you tried udev? |
| 08:28.42 | bztunk | ToreSB: haha |
| 08:28.45 | Penix | you anti-devfs whore you! |
| 08:28.50 | cafuego | bztunk: Using it now. |
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| 08:29.00 | bztunk | ~start a devfs war |
| 08:29.01 | cafuego | Penix: devfs device names suck |
| 08:29.19 | PhiberOptik | Penix: u know when installing with netinst i get a promt to configure sources.list, can i insert unstable urls in there? |
| 08:29.32 | cafuego | Mind you, durif is using devfs |
| 08:29.34 | Penix | PhiberOptik: you've already been told how to do it |
| 08:29.34 | bztunk | cafuego: how does it handles booting? |
| 08:29.38 | ToreSB | PhiberOptik: vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:29.41 | cafuego | bztunk: "not" |
| 08:29.53 | cafuego | bztunk: It will be a hold day in hell before I start using initrd. |
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| 08:29.59 | cafuego | s/hold/cold/ |
| 08:30.23 | bztunk | hahaha |
| 08:30.26 | cafuego | ToreSB: the cd doesn't have vim, use nano. |
| 08:30.49 | bztunk | or vi |
| 08:30.51 | PhiberOptik | ToreSB: indeed, but the thing is that when i did that it wouldnt let me install kde 3.x |
| 08:31.04 | cafuego | No, the cd doesn't have 'vi' either, use nano. |
| 08:31.13 | bztunk | cafuego: it doesn't have nvi? omg |
| 08:31.34 | cafuego | bztunk: it's an *INSTALLER* wtf does it need a heavy duty editor for? |
| 08:31.55 | bztunk | cafuego: vi isn't heavy duty haha. it's one of the oldest and lightest ons |
| 08:31.56 | tix64 | cafuego: but a pico clone? |
| 08:32.18 | cafuego | tix64: Yes, small, needs to fit on a single compressed floppy, remember? |
| 08:32.19 | maalox_ | What's a good and simple spreadsheet app? |
| 08:32.21 | mechan0r | nano |
| 08:32.25 | Penix | it's extremely heavy compared to nano |
| 08:32.30 | bztunk | well, maybe |
| 08:32.34 | songpenguin | bztunk: vim is pretty high end compared to many others |
| 08:32.48 | mechan0r | nano love me long time |
| 08:32.51 | bztunk | songpenguin: vi, not vim |
| 08:32.59 | cafuego | maalox_: syntax error: near 'simple spreadsheet' |
| 08:33.00 | bztunk | Penix: nvi is 200k, nano is 400k |
| 08:33.07 | maalox_ | cafuego, =P |
| 08:33.10 | songpenguin | bztunk: who uses vi (old)? |
| 08:33.16 | maalox_ | cafuego, ok then what's a good spreadsheet |
| 08:33.20 | cafuego | vi, the editor that goes beep. |
| 08:33.26 | songpenguin | lol |
| 08:33.28 | mechan0r | is that like CP/M not DOS (CP/M had no directories) |
| 08:33.34 | cafuego | maalox_: Well, imnsho there are none. |
| 08:33.42 | bztunk | well, of course nano is easier |
| 08:33.50 | bztunk | but vi is a standard on unix systems |
| 08:33.52 | cafuego | maalox_: What sort of X desktop are you running? |
| 08:33.58 | colde89 | scanner cold not be used in sane (no deivces are avilible) in lsmod is detected any idea ?? |
| 08:34.11 | songpenguin | but the time invested in learning vim or emacs is worth it in the long run |
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| 08:34.18 | cafuego | colde89: apt-get install ispell |
| 08:34.29 | bztunk | Penix: but nano-tiny is 50k |
| 08:34.31 | militesente | Hello. I am trying to run 2.6.0, but the kernel fails to _mount_ the reiserfs root partition (which is detected), "mount reiserfs: error 6 Trying without flags" . any idea? |
| 08:34.40 | bztunk | Penix: 85k sorry |
| 08:34.54 | colde89 | cafuego :: ok |
| 08:34.57 | cafuego | bztunk: Go to bed. |
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| 08:35.01 | mechan0r | emacs is worth it because if it fails for you as an editor it does so many things it's got to do at least one thing well for you |
| 08:35.01 | bztunk | haaha |
| 08:35.03 | bztunk | i should |
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| 08:35.07 | songpenguin | militesente: binary or did you compile it you'rself? |
| 08:35.15 | militesente | songpenguin, myself |
| 08:35.16 | cafuego | colde89: That won't fix your scanner problem, but might assist in asking a question. |
| 08:35.45 | songpenguin | militesente: did you make sure that reiserfs support was enabled when you configured it? |
| 08:36.26 | militesente | songpenguin, eheh of course..as i said, the error comes from the reiserfs code: "mount reiserfs: error 6 Retrying without flags".. |
| 08:36.42 | songpenguin | militesente: it has to be built into the kernel itself and not as a module... |
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| 08:37.04 | militesente | songpenguin, have you read what i have written? |
| 08:37.11 | songpenguin | militesente: yes |
| 08:37.13 | militesente | songpenguin, eheh of course..as i said, the error comes from the reiserfs code: "mount reiserfs: error 6 Retrying without flags".. |
| 08:37.32 | militesente | then it is the kernel |
| 08:37.45 | songpenguin | militesente: meby, meby not |
| 08:37.50 | militesente | yes, yes |
| 08:38.06 | mechan0r | militesente, that's because it can't find reiserfs.o |
| 08:38.06 | songpenguin | militesente: is this a new machene, has it done this in the past? |
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| 08:38.48 | bztunk | yay |
| 08:38.49 | bztunk | netsplit |
| 08:38.56 | Evaquator | wau |
| 08:38.58 | Evaquator | a big one |
| 08:39.07 | songpenguin | mechan0r: of course, reiserfs.o is located in the root dir wich is the fs that can't be loaded. that's why it has to be built directly into the kernel |
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| 08:39.28 | songpenguin | militesente: is this a new machene, has it done this in the past? |
| 08:39.32 | militesente | [luca@localhost luca]$ cat /usr/src/linux-2.6.0/.config | grep "REISER" |
| 08:39.32 | militesente | CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=y |
| 08:39.40 | militesente | is it enough? |
| 08:39.53 | tix64 | that answers the question. |
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| 08:40.22 | songpenguin | what the hell is going on with the cannel? |
| 08:40.33 | simonrvn | woohoo, images in console. amazing |
| 08:40.35 | militesente | netsplits |
| 08:40.40 | militesente | damn kernel |
| 08:40.42 | tix64 | songpenguin: it's invaded by aliens. |
| 08:40.48 | militesente | and this is stable..rotfl |
| 08:41.01 | songpenguin | tix64: nasty bugs! |
| 08:41.06 | simonrvn | that was a net JOIN. the servers were syncing the ban lists |
| 08:41.20 | bztunk | oh |
| 08:41.23 | bztunk | ok :D |
| 08:41.41 | cafuego | militesente: No, 2.6 is not stable for production use. |
| 08:41.43 | mechan0r | sinking is one way to describe it |
| 08:41.49 | ToreSB | Yaaay |
| 08:41.54 | tix64 | well, actually it was a netsploin. |
| 08:42.04 | ToreSB | Thusly my HD celebrates its 666ths uphour. |
| 08:42.08 | ToreSB | 666th* |
| 08:42.24 | songpenguin | militesente: use 2.4 series |
| 08:43.12 | militesente | cafuego, production? i would never use linux in "production" environment. i only wanted to play bzflag on this slow machine to see how that famous preemption would have worked |
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| 08:44.36 | militesente | bzflag is for destruction use |
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| 08:44.40 | droopy | has anybody had luck getting j2re1.4 to install |
| 08:45.13 | cafuego | Does anyone have libdvdcss2_1.2.5_i386.deb for me? |
| 08:45.27 | deadcat | i want external antenna but this is too ugly: http://www.stanford.edu/group/denny/wireless.htm |
| 08:45.37 | songpenguin | militesente: yeah, but the 2.6 still has plenty of bugs. It looks like your reiserfs error is one of them |
| 08:45.48 | cafuego | deadcat: Get a pigtail and a length of coax. |
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| 08:46.15 | tix64 | hmmm, reiserfs should work in 2.6. at least it did for me two days ago. |
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| 08:46.48 | deadcat | cafuego: if i screw up. i am fucked. )= |
| 08:46.50 | cafuego | tix64: That probably depends on the fs version. |
| 08:46.58 | songpenguin | well, 2.6 COULD be used in a "production" enviornment, it has some impressive performance boosts over 2.4 |
| 08:47.05 | tix64 | cafuego: my thought, too. |
| 08:47.38 | deadcat | songpenguin: thats why its in stable. not testing |
| 08:47.55 | cafuego | songpenguin: Yes, it also has some very impressive BUGS. |
| 08:48.07 | songpenguin | deadcat: it's in stable? |
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| 08:48.12 | cafuego | Nobody has a copy of libdvdcss2 for me? |
| 08:48.34 | deadcat | songpenguin: not debian stable. but kernel stable |
| 08:48.43 | deadcat | cafuego: 56k line ok with you? |
| 08:48.55 | songpenguin | deadcat: that makes more sence. |
| 08:48.58 | cafuego | deadcat: Sure... can ya upload to ftp.cc.com.au/incoming ? |
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| 08:49.21 | deadcat | cafuego: ok... |
| 08:49.36 | deadcat | cafuego: does it have to be 2? i have 3 |
| 08:49.50 | deadcat | nevermind.. |
| 08:49.51 | cafuego | deadcat: Whatever I need for Sid i386 |
| 08:50.02 | deadcat | k |
| 08:50.42 | larskis | How do I fix following error with apt? : |
| 08:50.43 | larskis | W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: |
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| 08:51.05 | cafuego | larskis: fetch the public key |
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| 08:51.27 | deadcat | cafuego: libdvdread3 - Simple foundation for reading DVDs : right? |
| 08:51.37 | guk | What is that thing for X I used to get defultly that shows me nifty info about stuff ... like kernel msgs and such |
| 08:51.48 | larskis | from where and how? |
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| 08:52.13 | cafuego | deadcat: No, libdvdcss |
| 08:52.14 | songpenguin | ttyl. gonna go try out my new kernel :-) |
| 08:52.25 | deadcat | cafuego: that pkg contains it. |
| 08:52.34 | cafuego | deadcat: i have dvdread, that has a shellscript to fetch dvdcss, but the site that accesses is dead. |
| 08:52.41 | cafuego | deadcat: No, it doesn't contain it. |
| 08:52.46 | deadcat | oh. |
| 08:53.56 | guk | How would I see the msgs like when I plug somthing into the USB ... like what it finds when it gets plugged in ... cause at this point im not even sure USB is working on here |
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| 08:54.54 | pietvw | Hey guys... I'm running a PowerPC (Old World Beige) and I need to figure out what my mac partition is... can somone help me... |
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| 08:55.18 | pietvw | ( I need to copy my kernel to the MAC side...) |
| 08:55.53 | cafuego | guk: /var/log/kern.log |
| 08:55.56 | ToreSB | pietvw: It's a crime? :) |
| 08:56.02 | cafuego | pietvw: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 08:56.07 | ToreSB | pietvw: A pity? |
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| 08:56.27 | Supaplex | does anyone know wny some charaters show up as squares with X apps? (some webpages, like mailing lists etc) |
| 08:56.57 | pietvw | ToreSB: a pity? Why cause I got a MAC? |
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| 08:57.50 | deadcat | cafuego: cant seem to find it on my laptop. where does it located? |
| 08:57.59 | cafuego | deadcat: it downlaods to /tmp |
| 08:58.38 | zeo33x | Supaplex: X apps? |
| 08:58.44 | zeo33x | Supaplex: maybe its eastern characters |
| 08:59.05 | pietvw | My hda contains the linux partition... the internal zip disk contains the mac partition... |
| 08:59.20 | cafuego | pietvw: that'll be hdb or hdc or sda then |
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| 09:00.10 | deadcat | cafuego: what downloads to /tmp? i am confused )=. i did a find / "*libdvdcss*" and nothing |
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| 09:01.11 | somiaj | deadcat: I see mozilla download to /tmp |
| 09:01.34 | cafuego | deadcat: the script downlaods libdvdcss to /tmp... if it's not there, it got trashed and you don't have it anymore. |
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| 09:05.44 | pietvw | cafuego: Thank you.... for that information... The system just got done downloading and installing various packages... |
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| 09:07.05 | pietvw | cafuego: Just copy the vmlinux-2.4.21-powerpc over to the Linux Kernels directory... and reboot with that one? |
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| 09:07.40 | bztunk | Sun Dec 28 04:07:40 EST 2003 |
| 09:07.45 | bztunk | argh |
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| 09:07.55 | KallDrexx | Anyone here with windowmaker know how to add in your own menu entries to cooenside with debian's menu system? |
| 09:07.56 | skinny | hi :) I have to change the keyboard layout from console from ENG to IT ( I have not X installed) ...what command I have to run? |
| 09:08.33 | cafuego | pietvw: yep |
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| 09:09.16 | tix64 | skinny: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 09:09.52 | skinny | tix64, ohh thank you !!! :) |
| 09:10.30 | pietvw | cafuego: Thanks... Maybe tomorrow I'll get X up and running and then be able to vnc back to my main workstation... |
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| 09:11.49 | woop | hey whats the default download location for links _ |
| 09:12.03 | Caelum | it's configurable |
| 09:12.35 | fearl | cafuego: hey you, only gnomes need punching... KDE has learned its lessons, its just got to master its changes before mass consumption :) |
| 09:12.39 | woop | i just downloaded a tar and i cant find it lol |
| 09:13.15 | tix64 | woop: look in the directory where you started links. |
| 09:14.10 | somiaj | fearl: I have the exact oposite opinion as you, I hate every version of kde I've tried but enjoy my gnome/fvwm mix |
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| 09:14.30 | fearl | cafuego: on apt-get.org there is a fairly stable version available of KDE HEAD (CVS) |
| 09:14.53 | fearl | somiaj: for any other reason other then its GNU so you feel you have to like it? |
| 09:14.53 | cafuego | fearl: They both run fine on my other box. |
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| 09:15.55 | fearl | somiaj: note I am not stating apps here, I am stating DESKTOP... GNOME just isn't good... GTK+ apps are nice though, when you find a decent GTK engine... |
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| 09:17.15 | fearl | Any GTK app that doesn't follow that damn HIG is great afaict... |
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| 09:17.32 | fearl | Its when they try to abide by that too much that it just kinda blows up in there face |
| 09:17.43 | fearl | their* |
| 09:18.19 | Supaplex | whereas G is the main letter there. |
| 09:18.21 | somiaj | fearl: I mainly a fan of fvwm, but don't like its menu/s pannels and such and I like how gnome works well with fvwm and I can hide most of gnome in the background. |
| 09:18.55 | Supaplex | who owns ravenbird? |
| 09:19.03 | Supaplex | nm, ty simonrvn :) |
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| 09:19.14 | fearl | somiaj: ok, fvwm is basically a bunch of menu's and a panel... so you don't really like FVWM either... |
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| 09:19.34 | holy_cow | isn't it all clicky click tho? i mean whats the diff between k and g? as far as i can tell its the amount of customization and a different backend/licence |
| 09:19.39 | holy_cow | mostly politics? |
| 09:19.41 | holy_cow | *shrug* |
| 09:20.50 | fearl | holy_cow: actually they abide by the same license, one is GNOME and has a HIG, the other wants every feature you can think of while still being fast... GNOME trys to satisfy morons, KDE tries to satisfy everyone |
| 09:21.07 | woop | hmm when i try to compile x4.3 i do "make World" and returns error 1 |
| 09:21.13 | somiaj | fearl: no, I really enjoy how fvwm manages windows, and I enjoy gtk2 and gnome/s pannell so I've mixed the two. |
| 09:21.19 | holy_cow | ahahaha fearl :) |
| 09:21.55 | simonrvn | sorry for the extra traffic, trying to debug something |
| 09:22.18 | fearl | somiaj: I used to talk to an fvwm-themes developer, he tried to convince me that fvwm is nice, it didn't work then either :) |
| 09:22.27 | troubled | *yawn* |
| 09:22.42 | knix | I know this isnt the right place, but does someone know where q3a keeps its cdkey? I think I remember it being in a file (this is legit, I need to grab it off my other box). Thanks |
| 09:22.51 | holy_cow | oi, there goes trouble |
| 09:23.06 | troubled | holy_cow: you mean here *comes* trouble :) |
| 09:23.12 | holy_cow | haxored some boxxen have you knix? |
| 09:23.15 | holy_cow | bad kiddie |
| 09:23.15 | holy_cow | :) |
| 09:23.21 | troubled | rofl bad kiddie hehe |
| 09:23.23 | holy_cow | oh hey right :) hehehe |
| 09:23.23 | knix | haha |
| 09:23.30 | knix | yeah, and I want their quake cdkey |
| 09:23.32 | knix | :F |
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| 09:23.41 | holy_cow | why? get their prawn :) |
| 09:23.45 | yaman | *sigh* |
| 09:23.46 | somiaj | fearl: its all good, just saying what I like. |
| 09:23.47 | knix | heh |
| 09:23.52 | troubled | wow, sure a worth while theft considering the punishment for hacking hehe |
| 09:23.56 | yaman | who's the lucky one to tell me about Broadcom + Ndiswrapper? |
| 09:24.10 | troubled | retail value, what, $30 tops ;) |
| 09:24.38 | malloc_ | JuK is a little buggy for my liking |
| 09:25.04 | yaman | fearl, zinf. |
| 09:25.07 | yaman | malloc_, zinf. |
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| 09:25.25 | holy_cow | heh, so i'm sitting on my suse box here having to backup some stuff and i gotta tell ya i miss debian |
| 09:25.25 | troubled | simonrvn: mornin |
| 09:25.29 | fearl | KDE's only downfall is the lack of a good video player that is entirely free... although I await the licensing of Kmplayer and its openess |
| 09:25.36 | holy_cow | its so fukin hard to install software on this p.o.s. :) heh |
| 09:25.45 | troubled | holy_cow: apt is your friend... |
| 09:25.58 | fearl | yaman: Zinf doesn't do streaming ime... thats a no go for me, how else am I supposed to watch online porn? |
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| 09:26.09 | yaman | fearl, hah |
| 09:26.11 | holy_cow | fearl, *nod* i would pay for a decent player on linux ... i understand theres a few such as a xine based one i guess? *shrug* |
| 09:26.25 | holy_cow | troubled, lol man you wouldnt believe how much i wished i could type in apt-get |
| 09:26.26 | yaman | fearl, i didnt realize you were talking about video |
| 09:26.37 | troubled | it would seem that the sold reason anyone wants video players in linux is for pr0n |
| 09:26.46 | holy_cow | i have suse8.2 and the fuckers block me from getting software updates now that 9 is out i can only get security updates |
| 09:26.47 | holy_cow | heh |
| 09:26.48 | simonrvn | troubled: hi |
| 09:26.50 | troubled | MS would make a killing if they sold mplayer to linux users :) |
| 09:26.58 | fearl | holy_cow: mplayer with its w32codecs plugin is great, its just not entirely free |
| 09:27.21 | holy_cow | fearl, people keep on telling me that but no matter how many codecs i get theres always something i cant play |
| 09:27.33 | oskie | although the mplayer developers sure want to believe it is free |
| 09:27.40 | holy_cow | i dont really miss real player to be sure but thats one source of endless hassles |
| 09:27.47 | troubled | holy_cow: they need a universal pr0n codec |
| 09:27.57 | holy_cow | i'd pay for that |
| 09:28.02 | troubled | so would i :) |
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| 09:28.04 | holy_cow | :) |
| 09:28.14 | troubled | has to work with AA lib too hehe |
| 09:28.15 | fearl | holy_cow: add marillats repository, then apt-cache show w32codecs... if its not listed there, it won't play, but I never find something I can't... |
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| 09:28.21 | holy_cow | if everyone would only release on ogg... is ogg video codec ready? |
| 09:28.22 | troubled | you know, for my console only machines ;) |
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| 09:28.42 | holy_cow | heh |
| 09:29.02 | yaman | Hello--has anyone here gotten Broadcom4320+Ndiswrapper towork? |
| 09:29.03 | fearl | holy_cow: no, still in development |
| 09:29.28 | holy_cow | ah okay. would be cool to have ogg video and sound out and everyone releasing in that |
| 09:29.29 | fearl | cafuego: maybe you have the site for the foundation developing ogg? |
| 09:30.09 | fearl | holy_cow: noone will in the business world, everything using ogg will be because you or me make it that way |
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| 09:30.58 | holy_cow | well theres no reason ogg cannot be wrapped into some drm thingy if thats what they want ... having a nice free standardized codec would be nice tho |
| 09:31.01 | holy_cow | your probably right |
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| 09:31.21 | shamoun | damnit |
| 09:31.26 | holy_cow | one would thing that a drm server/client technology based on linux would be ideal for movie companies imho |
| 09:31.34 | holy_cow | of course they will just go with ms i guess |
| 09:31.34 | shamoun | i wish i could just /j all the chans at once |
| 09:32.07 | fearl | holy_cow: you really don't get what ogg is huh.... it is only a wrapper, vorbis and <the video format they are developing> are the formats... but ogg can be mp3 or any other format out... ogg is just a wrapper, nothing more |
| 09:32.36 | holy_cow | your right i dont get it, i thought it was a codec |
| 09:32.37 | malloc_ | fearl: like VMA, AVI, or WMV |
| 09:32.53 | holy_cow | so whats the point of it... what does it replace then? |
| 09:33.28 | malloc_ | holy_cow, ogg is like a glorfied MIME header |
| 09:33.29 | fearl | holy_cow: most people are confused about that, vorbis is an audio codec... ogg and vorbis became senonimous, but that will hopefully change if the video codec becomes popular... |
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| 09:33.54 | malloc_ | all it does is provide meta data about the multimedia stream |
| 09:34.22 | holy_cow | oh thats just queer |
| 09:34.27 | malloc_ | i'm still waiting for iTunes to support ogg-vorbis, it is really pissing me off |
| 09:34.30 | holy_cow | that doesnt exactly solve anything then |
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| 09:34.42 | malloc_ | holy_cow, it is quite a good idea IMO |
| 09:35.13 | knix | so does anyone know where q3a keeps its cdkey? |
| 09:35.18 | malloc_ | holy_cow, it solves the problem of describing multimedia streams in a standard way |
| 09:35.43 | somiaj | knix: if anyone knows, google will...(: |
| 09:35.46 | fearl | malloc_: maybe you know, what is the foundation developing ogg's site? I can't remember for the life of me... that site explains everything we are talking about to some extent if I remember correctly |
| 09:35.52 | holy_cow | so what ogg allows one to do then is create a single player for all of them provided the right codec support is there? |
| 09:35.56 | malloc_ | knix, grep -R "CDKEY" / |
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| 09:36.16 | holy_cow | fearl, heh |
| 09:36.17 | fearl | malloc_: although I didn't realize WMV, AVI, and VMA were all the same idea as OGG... |
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| 09:36.22 | malloc_ | fearl, xiph.org i think |
| 09:36.22 | holy_cow | ye i gotta go read it now |
| 09:36.47 | holy_cow | o ye thats it |
| 09:36.48 | fearl | cuz I'm lazy: www.xiph.org |
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| 09:36.58 | fearl | now I can click on it :) |
| 09:37.12 | knix | somiaj: I have been on google for like 30 mins |
| 09:37.13 | knix | lol |
| 09:37.14 | fearl | that is the site though, thankyou :) |
| 09:37.19 | knix | malloc_: lol |
| 09:37.25 | holy_cow | ya thx |
| 09:37.37 | malloc_ | fearl, i think WMV and WMA are the same idea, i definately know AVI is the same idea, same with quicktktime, mplayer can make some pretty cool quicktime / avi files. It can make AVI files that even Windows Media can't play even though they are compliant AVI files |
| 09:37.46 | fearl | holy_cow: theora is the video codec by the way |
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| 09:38.12 | holy_cow | malloc, i just watched the fight club dvd on quicktime :) |
| 09:38.19 | holy_cow | with all the separate tracks included |
| 09:38.21 | holy_cow | heh :) |
| 09:38.32 | holy_cow | qt is great just pisses me off that one company controlls it |
| 09:38.52 | holy_cow | fearl, oh right right! |
| 09:38.58 | malloc_ | holy_cow, i got a 300mhz G3 recently, I finally have a box to play with OS X on |
| 09:39.11 | holy_cow | hey right on :) |
| 09:39.17 | holy_cow | you install it yet? |
| 09:39.24 | malloc_ | it is suprisingly fast for what a piece of crap box it is |
| 09:39.33 | lork | congratulations,malloc! |
| 09:39.54 | malloc_ | yeah i just got panther on it today, been fighting with it for a month to get it working because it is beige and Panther doesnt support the beige g3s |
| 09:40.07 | malloc_ | i had 10.2 on it previous to this |
| 09:40.22 | holy_cow | heh, for the brief amount of time i've worked on macs i find them a bit surprisingly similar to linux/unix philosophically |
| 09:40.38 | lork | now what os? |
| 09:40.39 | malloc_ | as far as graphics go it puts my 1.5 ghz athlon running debian and previously WinXP to shame |
| 09:40.43 | holy_cow | auto mounting floppies, logical folder structure, all that |
| 09:40.53 | holy_cow | really malloc? |
| 09:41.01 | holy_cow | i think you need a new vid card on your amd :) |
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| 09:41.10 | knix | HAHAHAH, dammit, I never even though to check ~/ *smack self*, its in ~/.q3a/baseq3 |
| 09:41.14 | knix | (fyi) >:P |
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| 09:41.28 | malloc_ | holy_cow, this thing is running a Rage 128 PCI my AMD is a Rage 128 AGP |
| 09:41.38 | malloc_ | i had a GeForce 2 on the AMD but it blew up |
| 09:41.40 | holy_cow | :) hehehe |
| 09:41.55 | holy_cow | oh touche malloc :) |
| 09:42.11 | malloc_ | I hate the color on the Nvidia cards, it looks like it is washed out |
| 09:42.33 | lork | ati is better |
| 09:42.54 | malloc_ | the machine feels like it is 75% as fast as the AMD. You can tell it is a 300mhz whenever something CPU intensive happens but otherwise you'd never know |
| 09:43.43 | malloc_ | I'm thinking of installing Linux on it and seeing how Linux compares to OS X on the same hardware, some people swear OS X is slow compared to Linux on Apple hardware |
| 09:43.53 | holy_cow | i dont trust ati for some reason, the rememberance of shitty drivers on windows and infrequently shitty drivers at that left a bitter aftertaste i guess :) |
| 09:44.13 | holy_cow | malloc, i wouldnt believe that tho heh |
| 09:44.20 | malloc_ | holy_cow, ATI drivers are comparable to Nvidia drivers |
| 09:44.52 | holy_cow | appearently, ati also released specs and nvidia did not (altho apperaently for good reason) |
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| 09:45.06 | malloc_ | holy_cow, I have a Mac Laptop with ATI graphics, it gets uptimes in the 60 days region. ATI drivers are stable on the mac side |
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| 09:45.19 | holy_cow | i'm still not sure what to make of it, it would be nice to have a good solid signal from either camp that they are onboard |
| 09:45.27 | r_perle | anyone recommend a via epia board? |
| 09:45.33 | holy_cow | and then i will standardize to that... altho right now nvidia drivers make me very happy |
| 09:45.53 | holy_cow | malloc_: *nod* |
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| 09:46.44 | r_perle | i'm looking for an epia board to run knoppix (or vanilla debian) on with the least amount of driver installs, futzing, etc. |
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| 09:47.09 | streuner | r_perle: #knoppix |
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| 09:48.18 | malloc_ | hopefully with Keith Packards extensions X will feel comparable to Quartz |
| 09:48.26 | r_perle | short of that, i'd welcome epia recommendations in general |
| 09:48.53 | r_perle | streuner: thanks for channel recommendation |
| 09:48.56 | streuner | why, are you from epica? |
| 09:49.04 | streuner | s/epica/epia/ |
| 09:49.17 | r_perle | how do you mean 'from epia' ? |
| 09:49.33 | streuner | are you working at epia? |
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| 09:49.49 | r_perle | no, just looking for a tiny mobo |
| 09:49.53 | holy_cow | malloc will be interesting... are those supposed to be merged back into the xfree tree or is the stuff on freedesktop.org merely a place to experiment and toss around ideas? |
| 09:50.31 | streuner | r_perle: check out usenet and you will see what are good onces and what mobo make problems. |
| 09:50.52 | malloc_ | well Packard was responsible Xouvert which was a fork from XFree86 so who knows |
| 09:50.53 | r_perle | streuner: will do |
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| 09:51.13 | malloc_ | I think his changes will be merged into Xouvert |
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| 09:51.20 | holy_cow | oh really? ah |
| 09:51.49 | holy_cow | yeah, well i wasnt impressed by his stun but that alpha stuff he's worked out i like a lot :) |
| 09:51.50 | streuner | holy_cow: mooooh |
| 09:52.02 | cafuego | ANy gnome wizzes here? |
| 09:52.04 | holy_cow | senor streuner, hola |
| 09:52.10 | streuner | :-) |
| 09:52.28 | streuner | cafuego: /msg dpkg ask ;-) |
| 09:52.58 | cafuego | streuner: Don't make me come over there and hit you. |
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| 09:53.31 | streuner | cafuego: if you would ask, you will find it in short time out... |
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| 09:54.34 | cafuego | My Sid Gnome2.4 doesn't work. startx brings up X, works fine. The Gnome splash appears, then nothing. I have all required packages installed and I have removed all old config files and dirs. |
| 09:54.43 | cafuego | KDE on Sid does the same. |
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| 09:55.26 | cafuego | .xsession-errors only lists "SESSION_MANAGER=local/kahlua:/tmp/.ICE-unix/2168" |
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| 09:56.39 | cafuego | And I get approximately 300 lines of "Not loading .note.GNU-stack" printed to the console I run startx on. |
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| 09:56.41 | holy_cow | okay, so vorbis is actually a codec according to the xiph site? neat |
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| 09:57.09 | streuner | cafuego: that sounds something is fscked specially in your system. |
| 09:57.21 | cafuego | streuner: This is a fresh Debian install. |
| 09:57.34 | cafuego | streuner: The same cfg on my laptop works fine. |
| 09:57.48 | holy_cow | and ogg is the metadata part |
| 09:57.48 | holy_cow | neat |
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| 09:59.12 | azreal | will someone please explain something to me? in mozilla under fonts, there are several drop downs, the first one is "proportional", is there supposed to be more than just serif and sans serif there? im messing with truetype fonts, and i have them listed under the other drop downs. |
| 09:59.38 | cafuego | In addition, when I specify sawfish-gnome in .xsession, X starts fine. |
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| 09:59.44 | azreal | i dunno if its working right, i can select ttf's under the other drop downs fine |
| 09:59.46 | cafuego | (but gome doesn't) |
| 10:00.05 | streuner | cafuego: duh, metacity is the windowmanager for GNOME2.4... |
| 10:00.41 | cafuego | streuner: Yes, I know. won't run on its own either. |
| 10:00.48 | interoz | is there somewhere a comparsion among different window managers, so that i can make an idea of what best fits me without trying them all? |
| 10:01.08 | azreal | does anyone know what im talking about? |
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| 10:01.12 | streuner | cafuego: just throw sawfish-gnome out, in any config (/.xsession) |
| 10:01.36 | cafuego | streuner: yes, still no joy. |
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| 10:01.55 | streuner | cafuego: you don't have to mention an windowmanager in any config (GNOME2) |
| 10:02.14 | streuner | !wm |
| 10:02.15 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. |
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| 10:03.22 | skinny | hi, someone know a good tutorial site to install and compile a kernel image with kpkg ..... ?? |
| 10:03.38 | streuner | skinny: /msg dpkg newbiedoc |
| 10:03.46 | streuner | !newbiedoc |
| 10:03.47 | dpkg | i guess newbiedoc is http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net, newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
| 10:04.04 | numenor | hi, i cannot start the X, coz it says "unable to open wrapper config file, any suggestions? |
| 10:04.05 | skinny | OK :) |
| 10:04.29 | cafuego | streuner: yes, I am aware. When i run without anything cfg'd, it still get just the default blank X background and nothing else. |
| 10:05.18 | streuner | cafuego: exec gnome-session should be enough... |
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| 10:05.40 | cafuego | streuner: Teah, that's what I thought too. |
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| 10:06.14 | cafuego | streuner: That gets me back to just the non-moving splash screen. |
| 10:06.31 | cafuego | streuner: I am actually wondering if it's having trouble starting metacity. |
| 10:06.37 | numenor | hello? anyone? |
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| 10:07.57 | z|bandito | i currently boot from a floppy because my system is using a software raid for md0 and i have / on md0 ... my smp kernel wont fit on my boot floppy though... what format are boot cd? iso9660 with the same files as a floppy? |
| 10:08.02 | standsolid_ | is it possible to use a USB data cable w/ a motorla phone and linux (for data sync, like the phonebook) ? |
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| 10:09.14 | ircdevil | good morning |
| 10:09.58 | streuner | cafuego: that reminds me to the bonobo-thingie, which fscked GNOME for a while too. |
| 10:10.50 | streuner | cafuego: it was only one package, but GNOME didn't work for a while. |
| 10:12.04 | ircdevil | is there no way to block flash in galeon? i mean this page here got two banenrs taking 45 % of my cpu! |
| 10:12.41 | cafuego | streuner: I'm up to date. |
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| 10:15.10 | cafuego | streuner: the gnome metapackage gets all I need, does it not? |
| 10:16.09 | streuner | cafuego: sure, if you got no depends-problems. |
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| 10:17.23 | LoneTech | um, does that mean we should go to #debian-overflow because there are so many here? epic4 doesn't understand. |
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| 10:20.43 | streuner | uhm, it starts GNOME2.4 just fine here |
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| 10:25.36 | LoneTech | hello again. |
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| 10:26.54 | abcnew | LoneTech: where i can take good doc? |
| 10:26.59 | abcnew | LoneTech: where i can take good doc? |
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| 10:27.33 | abcnew | hello |
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| 10:27.55 | GhostDawg | hello all |
| 10:28.11 | LoneTech | abcnew: Linux documentation project. in debian, we have several packages in the doc section, for instance doc-linux-text. |
| 10:28.40 | LoneTech | abcnew: look in /usr/share/doc, much gets put there when you install packages. |
| 10:28.44 | oskie | abcnew: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html |
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| 10:29.02 | oskie | abcnew: but that's probably not for real beginners |
| 10:29.30 | LoneTech | oskie: though it is pretty much the answer to the first question, isn't it? |
| 10:29.40 | abcnew | have any good books for beginner? |
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| 10:29.53 | oskie | LoneTech: yeah, I guess so |
| 10:31.38 | streuner | cafuego: strange thing, update-alternatives --config -x-window-manger: result: *+ 3 /usr/bin/sawfish !!! |
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| 10:32.57 | LoneTech | streuner: "-x-window-manager"? |
| 10:33.16 | streuner | !wm |
| 10:33.16 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. |
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| 10:33.28 | LoneTech | is that some way of telling it the current x-window-manager is not what you want or something? |
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| 10:33.54 | LoneTech | there's no - on the beginning of the alternative. |
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| 10:34.52 | colde89 | cold not find module usb-core, need to install it, is it HID ?? |
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| 10:35.42 | steve4 | hi ! |
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| 10:35.55 | tola | is there a way of sending a list of all installed packages to a file using apt? |
| 10:36.05 | oskie | anyone using exim4-daemon-heavy with spamassassin to stop spam at the frontdoor (your smtp-server)? i'm thinking about installing it but i'd like to hear from people first.. |
| 10:36.09 | LoneTech | colde: it is the core of the usb subsystem, I expect, so it would be required for hid or any other usb module. |
| 10:36.10 | streuner | tola: dpkg -l > file |
| 10:36.28 | tola | streuner: thanks, I'll give it a go :P |
| 10:37.20 | colde89 | LoneTech :: how to install ?? |
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| 10:38.25 | LoneTech | colde: should be included with any usb-supporting kernel. that would include most of the prepackaged kernels for debian. the install system might have used a more slimmed down version. |
| 10:38.29 | abcnew | hi, about xchat? how re-appear "user list"? hmm |
| 10:39.16 | colde89 | LoneTech :: 2.4 ... |
| 10:39.18 | abcnew | after resize window, it disappear |
| 10:39.57 | LoneTech | colde: take a look at what kernel-image packages are available. |
| 10:40.24 | colde89 | LoneTech :: ok ... |
| 10:40.51 | LoneTech | abcnew: its edge can normally be resized, although it shouldn't disappear like that. there may also be a choice in the menu to hide it completely, and a button in the topic row. |
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| 10:41.10 | LoneTech | (all from memory, I am running epic4) |
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| 10:42.15 | colde89 | tola :: is there a way to use thoose a list to upload packages automaticly ?? |
| 10:42.17 | fritz | i've got mail in queu in sendmail, how can i send it ? |
| 10:42.28 | fritz | (i see it with sendmail -bp) |
| 10:42.56 | oskie | fritz: there are various 'sendmail -q' options. check the manual page of sendmail. runq might work too. |
| 10:43.06 | LoneTech | fritz: iirc, sendmail has a command called "runq" to send stuff. but it might not send *all* the messages by default. I do not use or recommend sendmail. |
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| 10:43.23 | abcnew | LoneTech: thanks |
| 10:43.38 | fritz | LoneTech: well, i see it's default by debian 3.0 |
| 10:43.57 | LoneTech | it is? I thought exim was. used to be smail before that. |
| 10:43.59 | braunau | Excuse me, is there any package to make galeon see Flash webpages? I'm searching for an alternative to the Macromedia page... |
| 10:44.01 | oskie | i don't see why exim4 is installed by default in debian sarge. i'd rather prefer a package like ssmtp. |
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| 10:44.13 | grendel | hi, after a distribution update is lilo.conf updated? |
| 10:44.18 | oskie | braunau: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:44.31 | streuner | grendel: no |
| 10:44.33 | oskie | grendel: probably only after a kernel update |
| 10:44.46 | streuner | oskie: o |
| 10:44.52 | abcnew | don't see it again |
| 10:44.53 | streuner | s/o/no/ |
| 10:44.54 | LoneTech | grendel: normally, lilo.conf is updated when installing kernel image packages. it can be reconfigured with /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 10:44.58 | fritz | damn ... now i dont know what i'm using :) anyway ... kmail forwarded to sendmail .... damn |
| 10:45.02 | braunau | oskie: thx ;) |
| 10:45.03 | oskie | streuner: no? |
| 10:45.36 | streuner | oskie: lilo.conf wouldn't be edited and no package touch lilo.conf |
| 10:45.52 | LoneTech | fritz: I believe it includes a /usr/lib/sendmail for mail injection to make it easier for programs that expect that, though. |
| 10:46.01 | oskie | streuner: hmm.. but kernel-image-* packages touch lilo.conf, don't they? |
| 10:46.10 | streuner | oskie: nope |
| 10:46.26 | oskie | streuner: ok. i've migrated to grub anyway :P |
| 10:46.37 | LoneTech | oh, right. lilo config by default uses those symlinks /vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old, right? |
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| 10:47.01 | LoneTech | but it should rerun lilo |
| 10:47.36 | grendel | I haven't /etc/kernel-img.conf my problem is that in the old lilo.conf I've added a kernel command to make work the cd-writer... now the cd-writer doesn't work, I'm wondering if is the fault of lilo.conf changes |
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| 10:48.10 | oskie | grendel: what kernel command is this you have added? |
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| 10:48.44 | fritz | thx LoneTech, i'm using direct SMTP server now ... |
| 10:48.45 | noplease | hi |
| 10:48.50 | fritz | (in kmail settings) |
| 10:50.37 | grendel | append="hdc=ide-scsi" |
| 10:50.50 | streuner | oskie: some of animated boot screens what i use: http://www.gamers.org/~quinet/lilo/index-en.html :P |
| 10:51.33 | oskie | streuner: haha :) |
| 10:51.43 | LoneTech | grendel: take a look at /proc/cmdline. if your ide-scsi bit is not there, then your bootloader config hasn't passed it to the kernel. most likely means you'd want to move the line higher in lilo.conf and rerun lilo. |
| 10:52.58 | oskie | grendel: another solution would be to compile ide-scsi and ide-cd as modules... and make sure /etc/modules contain ide-scsi before ide-cd ... that way all CD-R/RW/DVD[-+]R/RW/ROMs would be detected and set up automaticly |
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| 10:53.47 | LoneTech | I don't use ide-scsi with my burner, but that machine runs a 2.6.0-test kernel. |
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| 10:54.43 | oskie | LoneTech: hm, ide-scsi isn't necessary for burning with IDE-devices in 2.6.0? |
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| 10:54.58 | grendel | the ide-scsi modules are already loaded but cdrecord -scanbus give back errors and doesn't work. /proc/cmdline give back the following: "BOOT_IMAGE=Linux-2.4.21-t1 ro root=301" I didn't see about ide-scsi |
| 10:55.03 | LoneTech | nope. but cdrecord complains about opening by devname being unintentional and unsupported. |
| 10:55.41 | oskie | LoneTech: what device does cdrecord use? scdX? or sgX? |
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| 10:56.08 | petemc | none, if its ide it uses /dev/hdc or whatever |
| 10:56.19 | LoneTech | oskie: hdb. |
| 10:56.34 | petemc | and later versions of cdrecord work fine, as does the cvs version of cdrdao |
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| 10:56.39 | jotainnns | How do I configure WinXP to a client of Samba PDC? |
| 10:56.42 | oskie | hmm, but I was under the impression that cdrecord would only speak SCSI.. and that you needed to use ide-scsi in 2.4.x? |
| 10:56.57 | streuner | oskie: sg=SCSI-generic, scd=SCSI-Disk-support |
| 10:57.06 | oskie | jotainnns: the same way you configure it as a client of a Windows PDC |
| 10:57.24 | LoneTech | streuner: scd=sr=scsi cdrom. sd for scsi disk. |
| 10:57.31 | grendel | lilo.conf is ok, it have the append line for ide-scsi as when it was working, I don't understand why if I try to see lilo.conf with cat I see nothing... and in MC too... I must see it with nano |
| 10:57.33 | jotainnns | oskie: yes but how? |
| 10:57.40 | oskie | streuner: yeah I know that... but what's the point in ide-scsi if cdrecord doesn't need SCSI? |
| 10:57.52 | LoneTech | oskie: yes, in 2.4 you use ide-scsi. |
| 10:58.06 | oskie | jotainnns: right mouse button + properties on My computer ... |
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| 10:58.10 | LoneTech | in 2.6 the scsi commands are simply supported for atapi devices. |
| 10:58.22 | oskie | jotainnns: second tab ... change name or join domain/workgroup or something |
| 10:58.38 | oskie | LoneTech: oh.. nice |
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| 10:59.30 | streuner | well, anyway, i burn in 2.6.0 with -dev=0,0,0 :P |
| 10:59.43 | jotainnns | oskie: ok.. thx |
| 10:59.43 | petemc | streuner: you dont need to use scsi ids |
| 10:59.46 | kerpal | What do i need to put in or comment out in xfree86.config for the resolution not to Zoom (can thtink of the proper verb) |
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| 11:00.03 | streuner | petemc: i know, but it works so too :-) |
| 11:00.05 | LoneTech | streuner: guess you migrated while ide-scsi worked. when I first started using 2.6 ide-scsi was broken. |
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| 11:00.31 | streuner | LoneTech: i don't use ide-scsi at all |
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| 11:00.45 | LoneTech | kerpal: DontZoom, like it says in the man page. |
| 11:00.57 | kerpal | LoneTech: thank you. |
| 11:01.08 | LoneTech | streuner: scsi burner? my first one was scsi, but they remained more expensive. |
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| 11:01.10 | oskie | http://www.bitesizeinc.net/jWindows/ <- weird things you can do with javascript... |
| 11:01.16 | kerpal | LoneTech: I should of man[ned] sorry |
| 11:01.26 | streuner | LoneTech: no, ATAPI-burner |
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| 11:02.33 | linuxero | h |
| 11:03.12 | aum | hi - anyone know when xfree 4.3 is coming out on unstable? |
| 11:03.29 | streuner | aum: /msg pdkg wir |
| 11:03.32 | gravity | aum: Very soon. The last release candidate just hit experimental |
| 11:03.35 | streuner | s/pdkg/dpkg/ |
| 11:03.41 | gravity | aum: If all goes well with it, it should be in unstable soon |
| 11:03.52 | aum | 1337 |
| 11:03.54 | gravity | aum: It was held up due to the breaking |
| 11:03.59 | gravity | s/breaking/breakin/ |
| 11:04.07 | kerpal | LoneTech: That says its for diasbling the [ctrl][-/+] keys, are their diff keys for resoltions change [i am reading the man page wandering if i have been smoking crack] |
| 11:04.10 | aum | ohh, *that* break-in |
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| 11:04.23 | aum | that was a tad embarrassing - deb has had an otherwise excellent record |
| 11:04.38 | azreal | hehe, i just think its funny how we all wait in in anticipation of something being "unstable".. |
| 11:04.41 | hari | Anybody experienced with GNOME2 fonts? |
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| 11:04.48 | LoneTech | kerpal: it's ctrl+alt+numeric plus or minus. |
| 11:04.53 | gravity | aum: It's not really Debian's fault. The bug was never known to be a security risk by anyone. The people just used it against Debian. |
| 11:05.05 | aum | azreal: well, debian 'unstable' is more stable than most 'stable' linux distros |
| 11:05.13 | madness | aum: though what did make me chuckle was the bunch of gentoo kiddies saying "debian sucks because they got hacked", and then one of their rsync boxes got the same later :P |
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| 11:05.23 | aum | gravity: so debian got luck fo the draw? |
| 11:05.27 | gravity | aum: More or less, yeah |
| 11:05.30 | madness | gravity: hmmm, iirc, one of the boxen got hack via ptrace, didn't it ? |
| 11:05.32 | azreal | aum: i know, i been running unstable for years |
| 11:05.34 | clinfix | aum:do you mean unoffiacal sarge? |
| 11:05.43 | aum | madness: gentoo rsync box got h4x04red? i never saw that on /. |
| 11:05.50 | LoneTech | madness: how much later? |
| 11:06.02 | kerpal | LoneTech: Well thats what I meant, dont zoom just disables the ctrl-alt[+/-] |
| 11:06.02 | madness | LoneTech: only a year or so :P |
| 11:06.06 | gravity | madness: I don't think it was the ptrace vuln, but I could be wrong. I don't remeber where the code was specifically. It wasn't known to be a security risk though, that I do know |
| 11:06.23 | aum | dumb q - but i guess there's no branch of debian that's newer and more unstable than 'unstable' ? |
| 11:06.35 | gravity | aum: unstable + experimental |
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| 11:06.41 | madness | gravity: well, last one I read, one of the boxen was via the old old ptrace vulnerability, and the rest was via the newer one |
| 11:06.43 | LoneTech | aum: well, not a branch, as such. but there are bits like experimental you can add on. |
| 11:06.43 | aum | gravity: k |
| 11:06.47 | kerpal | LoneTech: Is thier one to enable for dynamic resolution change? [I have bad eyes and like hi res, but hate fuckers that use small onts] |
| 11:06.52 | madness | gravity: or "by something unknown" |
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| 11:07.00 | gravity | madness: Where did you read that? |
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| 11:07.18 | madness | gravity: one of those things that was posted in the topic here at the time |
| 11:07.24 | madness | gravity: but I may be mistaken |
| 11:07.31 | gravity | madness: Ok, I don't really remember, in all honesty |
| 11:08.03 | madness | gravity: but my impression was actually that it really was a case of being hacked by year-old vulnerabilities. However, I don't claim to know this for sure. |
| 11:08.49 | gravity | madness: I'd have to double check. The main bug was the one that no one knew was a security risk. No one. |
| 11:08.59 | LoneTech | brb |
| 11:09.03 | redrick | ptrace? Good heavens. That's ancient. |
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| 11:09.59 | madness | gravity: my impression was that the first box (the one that was the one they jumped from to the other boxes using ssh keys and such) was ptrace vulnerable, and they believed that it had been compromised via ptrace |
| 11:10.13 | Bangers | anyone know if a boot menu exist which can be loaded over PXE? |
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| 11:10.16 | Bangers | basically grub over PXE.. |
| 11:10.45 | gravity | madness: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2003/msg00003.html |
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| 11:11.12 | gravity | madness: No, it wasn't. They sniffed a password somehow, and used that to get access to master. They used the local exploit on master to install a rootkit. |
| 11:11.16 | oskie | Bangers: what can you load over PXE? i thought you could load a kind of floppy image over PXE? |
| 11:11.23 | ciga | my 2.6.0 kernel says "EBDA too big" after lilo. what should I do to be able to boot up with that? |
| 11:11.57 | Bangers | oskie, you need to load an initial bootstrap program first, then you can load whatever you want from that. |
| 11:12.06 | Bangers | Im currently using PXELINUX, which works fine, but I need a menu system |
| 11:12.20 | madness | uhhh |
| 11:12.23 | madness | sniffed a password ? |
| 11:12.29 | oskie | Bangers: i assume PXELINUX is the initial bootstrap program.. but what does PXELINUX normally load? |
| 11:12.30 | gravity | Yep |
| 11:12.43 | gravity | madness: Or somehow got ahold of one. No one is really sure how |
| 11:12.46 | oskie | Bangers: does PXELINUX only load a kernel (and initrd)? |
| 11:12.49 | LoneTech | oskie: you can load an executable over pxe.. with net support and stuff iirc.. pxegrub is an example, and the only one I'd run, probably. |
| 11:13.13 | oskie | Bangers: that sounds like it, pxegrub! thanks LoneTech :) |
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| 11:13.22 | Bangers | oskie, it loads its own small kernel. |
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| 11:19.38 | fritz | hello |
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| 11:19.38 | kerpal | Bangers: what can a win2000 booot up via pxe? hows the overhead? [please repeat i need to turn off wallops] |
| 11:19.38 | fritz | does anyone here use sim (icq) client ? |
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| 11:19.38 | fritz | (on debian) |
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| 11:19.38 | kerpal | fritz: im using gaim it work |
| 11:19.38 | Bangers | kerpal, what do you mean? |
| 11:19.38 | kerpal | Bangers: i see your doing stuff with PXE: I never worked with that stuff before. |
| 11:19.38 | kerpal | What is it loading like RDP over pxe? |
| 11:19.38 | kerpal | Terminal services? or somthing different? |
| 11:19.38 | kerpal | ie. Citrus? |
| 11:19.38 | Bangers | Windows 2000 itself doesn't boot up anything. The server is windows 2000, I configured the DHCP/TFTP to send the initial bootstrap program (PXELINUX) which itself loads what is required |
| 11:19.38 | kerpal | Citrix |
| 11:19.43 | LoneTech | kerpal: wrong level. PXE is pre-boot executable environment, for loading bootloaders. |
| 11:19.43 | Bangers | PXELINUX then downloads the images you set in its config and runs it |
| 11:19.50 | kerpal | So its a linux distro? |
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| 11:20.06 | fritz | kerpal: well, i cant get sim to work, first i got .deb file ... it give me error while loading : libkio.so.4 ... |
| 11:20.07 | oskie | Citrix .. one guy I spoke to referred to it as Clitrix |
| 11:20.08 | kerpal | Bangers: ahh, i kind of understand. |
| 11:20.13 | LoneTech | no, it's before *any* OS |
| 11:20.14 | clinfix | can you tell me a mirror for sarge(updated one))?? |
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| 11:20.24 | Bangers | I'm not sure what PXELINUX is. I'm sure google would answer. It's a VERY small program, basically a mini grub over PXE< but it doesnt have a menu system, which I need... |
| 11:20.38 | kerpal | fritz: apt-get install libkio.so.4 or something close |
| 11:20.54 | kerpal | Bangers ahh.. |
| 11:20.59 | LoneTech | pxelinux might be the pxe version of syslinux, or just an even simpler bootloader. |
| 11:21.05 | kerpal | Bangers: how big are your images? |
| 11:21.20 | Bangers | kerpal, 1.44Mb floppy images. |
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| 11:21.28 | tam | OK how would i be able to look around my network using my domain names? i.e. i own originaldvd.net and it is pointed at my ip address but i can't put www.originaldvd.net in the browser |
| 11:21.29 | kerpal | Bangers: maybe you can have a bootlooader aas the image that pxelinux distryubutes |
| 11:21.30 | Bangers | I need a boot menu, between loading a floppy image, or booting the hdd |
| 11:21.37 | oskie | kerpal: that might work on red hat, but not debian... |
| 11:22.10 | kerpal | oskie: why? |
| 11:22.47 | oskie | kerpal: it'd expect something like apt-get install libkio ... but there's no such package! |
| 11:23.11 | oskie | tam: a program called dig is useful |
| 11:23.33 | kerpal | oskie: ahh.. |
| 11:23.41 | oskie | tam: but it requires some knowledge. dig is in package dnsutils. you could do: dig A originaldvd.net |
| 11:23.41 | Bangers | kerpal, yeh good idea. I think thats what I will have to do. Install and setup grub on a floppy and then send that |
| 11:24.04 | kerpal | oskie: do you know of a command to search the apt db for which .deb provides which file? |
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| 11:24.08 | tam | oskie: thanks, i'll take a look into that |
| 11:24.22 | LoneTech | oskie: that is what the apt-file package is for. |
| 11:24.39 | LoneTech | ooops, that was in reply to kerpal's question |
| 11:24.47 | tam | oskie: E: Couldn't find package dnsutils |
| 11:24.49 | oskie | kerpal: debian.org/distrib/packages used to be for htat |
| 11:24.53 | kerpal | LoneTech thx |
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| 11:25.08 | oskie | tam: hmm... ok, maybe you're not using unstable... try just running 'nslookup' |
| 11:25.17 | LoneTech | oskie: nah, Contents. which iirc is what apt-file loads. |
| 11:25.22 | tam | i am using unstable |
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| 11:25.40 | oskie | LoneTech: but if you don't have the package with the file you want installed, that'd be hard... wouldn't it? |
| 11:25.55 | tam | oskie: nslookup works. i think i'll mess around with that |
| 11:25.58 | tam | thanks |
| 11:26.03 | oskie | tam: ok, no prob.. |
| 11:26.05 | kerpal | My x is really pissing me off. you can setup X to change resolutions with ctrl alt =/- with it not giving you that panning virtual desktop right? |
| 11:26.21 | kerpal | been reading the mans but i am dunce fucker |
| 11:26.29 | LoneTech | oskie: dpkg knows about installed ones, apt-file downloads and searches the archives' Contents files, to find *available* files. |
| 11:26.42 | oskie | kerpal: let me know if you succeed... |
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| 11:27.01 | LoneTech | kerpal: that would be RandR, which is partially implemented in 4.3 iirc. |
| 11:27.15 | oskie | LoneTech: ok, sounds useful... but wouldn't that take long time to set up? i mean download all contents files.. |
| 11:27.27 | kerpal | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.58 | LoneTech | oskie: yep, it does take time. but it can be useful. iirc there's also an auto-apt package that does something even more aggressive. |
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| 11:28.04 | kerpal | iirc a debian distro? i thought iirc was a irc proto? been seeing iirc alot and i am confused within its context |
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| 11:28.15 | LoneTech | kerpal: if I recall correctly |
| 11:28.29 | Braindead | that's an acronym |
| 11:28.43 | kerpal | thx |
| 11:29.12 | tam | oskie: do you reckon that i will need to install bind ? |
| 11:29.15 | oskie | windows people have their acronyms... i learned CTD yesterday - Crash To Desktop (3D gaming context :) |
| 11:29.24 | oskie | tam: no, you shouldn't need to |
| 11:29.34 | LoneTech | ctd is the lucky crashes then? |
| 11:29.39 | oskie | tam: dnsutils is in unstable ... |
| 11:29.54 | oskie | LoneTech: yeah :] |
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| 11:30.45 | kerpal | Anyone have any sugestions for sniffing aim pw's, [lost my pw to my aim, and have it stored on another mac] |
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| 11:31.09 | oskie | rooot has landed.. where's apt!? |
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| 11:32.48 | simonrvn | @tell root_ about root |
| 11:33.13 | simonrvn | !tell root_ about root |
| 11:33.18 | kerpal | So umm is http.us.debian.org down? |
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| 11:33.24 | kerpal | Apt-get just erred |
| 11:33.35 | tola | what's the command to find out what DNS your box is using? |
| 11:33.40 | simonrvn | what does the error say exactly? |
| 11:33.48 | kerpal | tola: cat /etc/resolv |
| 11:33.49 | simonrvn | tola: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:33.52 | somiaj | tola: look in the /etc/resolv.conf file |
| 11:34.02 | tola | lol, thanks |
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| 11:35.01 | kerpal | simonrvn: bad use of cat? |
| 11:35.12 | kerpal | ;) |
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| 11:35.50 | iSteve | Umm, I'd like to get xfree86 4.3 from experimental |
| 11:36.02 | iSteve | however, it wants to uninstall all the -devs that are related to graphics |
| 11:36.07 | iSteve | (gtk devs, xft devs etc.) |
| 11:36.07 | somiaj | iSteve: /msg dpkg x4.3 |
| 11:36.09 | azreal | iSteve: just wait for it to hit unstable |
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| 11:36.14 | simonrvn | iSteve: it's called depends |
| 11:36.20 | kerpal | iSteve: how is that ipv6 going? |
| 11:36.32 | kerpal | iSteve: remmend any good reading? |
| 11:36.42 | iSteve | kerpal, well :) Altho freenode doesn't support forward/reverse dns lookups ? |
| 11:36.42 | oskie | is there a program that displays a globe/map of the earth with day/night indication? |
| 11:37.12 | iSteve | only gets me ip, altho the real hostname is isteve.bofh.cz |
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| 11:37.21 | LoneTech | oskie: several, such as xearth. |
| 11:37.27 | iSteve | simonrvn, yea, I know :) It's just, is it anyhow possible to get, perhaps, the devs xf86-4.3-friendly ? |
| 11:37.37 | kerpal | iSteve are you an implementor/adopter our just on a network using ipv6? |
| 11:37.53 | simonrvn | kerpal: that's a freenet6 addie |
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| 11:38.07 | azreal | oskie: sunclock |
| 11:38.10 | kerpal | gotcha |
| 11:38.18 | oskie | LoneTech: looks nice, but appears to be non-free... :/ |
| 11:38.30 | LoneTech | oh? xephem then? |
| 11:38.37 | LoneTech | there are many.. |
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| 11:38.49 | oskie | azreal: exactly! nice.. |
| 11:38.51 | LoneTech | xplanet perhaps |
| 11:39.13 | oskie | LoneTech: ah, that's the one I remember |
| 11:39.19 | tola | this may be a silly question, but am I limiting myself in any way by limiting debian to a 6.6Gb partition. (my mp3s and documents are stored on another partition) |
| 11:39.52 | gravity | tola: It depends on your needs. For most desktop use, that's plenty |
| 11:39.55 | tola | gravity: ok, well I'll stick with it then |
| 11:40.15 | LoneTech | knoppix for instance is about 2GB, isn't it? |
| 11:40.21 | oskie | oh, look at the poor bastards in north sweden ... they're getting no sun whatsoever this time of the year |
| 11:40.25 | tola | yeah, I'm replacing a knoppix install |
| 11:40.30 | oskie | how would you survive that? |
| 11:40.42 | LoneTech | oskie: easily. |
| 11:40.59 | oskie | LoneTech: you live up north? |
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| 11:41.03 | steve4 | hello |
| 11:41.13 | LoneTech | not quite that far |
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| 11:41.47 | LoneTech | but it's not pitch black all the time just because the sun doesn't get above the horizon. |
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| 11:42.06 | oskie | LoneTech: ok... that's true... |
| 11:42.52 | LoneTech | you notice a lot more light when there's snow all over |
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| 11:43.08 | Bangers | anyone know where i can get pxegrub from? |
| 11:43.22 | Bangers | I need the bootstrap with support for intel pro 100 NICs... |
| 11:43.36 | kerpal | Bangers: try sf.net? |
| 11:43.42 | LoneTech | maybe I should just build it and dcc it so you stop begging? |
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| 11:46.24 | cyberyo | io |
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| 11:49.42 | rss | in print preview it shows all the content of the cell in asingle line .. |
| 11:49.42 | return0 | Yes, i realised, so far there's been 3 by my count |
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| 11:49.45 | rss | so will the printout have that cell's content in a single line or in successive lines as i want it ? |
| 11:49.45 | LoneTech | dunno. |
| 11:49.45 | steve4 | Can't anyone help me ? |
| 11:49.45 | LoneTech | try printing to a file and opening that in gv |
| 11:49.45 | Bangers | kerpal, that does exactly what I want...but it seems dead. no files :/ |
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| 11:49.45 | rss | hmm LoneTech i'll try |
| 11:49.45 | LoneTech | steve4: I'm not sure I've even seen your question. |
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| 11:49.45 | steve4 | lonetech : ok i re-type it. |
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| 11:50.05 | steve4 | i've just upgraded my woody to sarge but i think something wrong appended with lilo cause when i'm searching for the 'boot-menu.b', it does not exist. The install program told me to type a command like "readlink /boot/boot.b...|cut -f2 -d- | cut -f1 -d." and the result is the word "menu". Should i add it to the "install" parameter into my lilo.conf file? |
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| 11:50.54 | oskie | i want to run sunclock in the background... |
| 11:50.58 | gravity | !tell NetComm about root |
| 11:51.34 | rss | i'm getting a glyph instead of new line |
| 11:51.35 | LoneTech | dunno. I run grub. |
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| 11:52.19 | LoneTech | steve4: I don't know the answer, I run grub myself. |
| 11:52.33 | gravity | steve4: I think that's the solution, although on my sid install I've got boot-menu.b |
| 11:52.50 | simonrvn | for those who might be interested: |
| 11:52.50 | kerpal | Bangers: sorry to hear about deadlink |
| 11:52.52 | simonrvn | Get:8 http://ftp.debian.org ../project/experimental/main xterm 4.3.0-0pre1v5 [587kB] |
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| 11:53.11 | gravity | simonrvn: Hooray for the ftpmasters! ;-) |
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| 11:53.21 | simonrvn | gravity: ;) |
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| 11:55.02 | maddo | ive networked debian and winXP. they ping fine and samba is working fine. but i would like to know how i can get debian to share the internet connection with my XP box. XP is configed fine. but do i need to share the internet connection somehow on debian? also im 56k |
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| 11:59.42 | hefty | *antiidle* :) |
| 11:59.43 | steve4 | wooooh what was that !!!! |
| 11:59.43 | simonrvn | man, and these splits and joins.... |
| 11:59.43 | oskie | early indications that the net is merging... asqui quits with Exceed Flood :) |
| 11:59.43 | Bangers | LoneTech, thanks alot. What network card support does this file have support for? |
| 11:59.43 | kerpal | simonrvn: you where saing stuff about 4.3 |
| 11:59.43 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 11:59.43 | LoneTech | Bangers: eepro100, unless the pxe version supports *any* card. I don't know. |
| 11:59.43 | kerpal | simonrvn: cant, |
| 11:59.43 | maru | heh |
| 11:59.43 | steve4 | what are all these 'mode change' lines ? |
| 11:59.43 | simonrvn | kerpal: which client you using? |
| 11:59.44 | oskie | why doesn't this damn IRC client (xchat) inhibit mass joins & quits? irssi does, doesn't it? |
| 11:59.53 | kerpal | simonrvn: bx, the buffer not high |
| 11:59.58 | gravity | Hmmm... no explanation for the xlibs split in the changelog |
| 12:00.08 | simonrvn | (11:58:07) < simonrvn> where it bangs the fbdev in such a way where it can take over console, and you can't do |
| 12:00.11 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.14 | LoneTech | oskie: it does have a mode for it iirc.. conference mode. |
| 12:00.22 | hefty | i hate xchat :-) |
| 12:00.22 | maru | gravity: you should find a *lengthy* thread about it in the mailinglist archive |
| 12:00.30 | kerpal | simonrvn: Why would you want X to take over Console? |
| 12:00.32 | hefty | oskie: yes it does |
| 12:00.34 | LoneTech | not sure how to activate it. maybe it is missing in version 2 |
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| 12:00.44 | oskie | LoneTech: yeah but that would hide it entirely... it's nice to see when people I talk to disappear (except in splits) |
| 12:00.47 | simonrvn | woohoo |
| 12:00.48 | petemc | simonrvn: are you on gmt time? |
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| 12:00.56 | oskie | hefty: it does? how? when? |
| 12:00.56 | simonrvn | i may get kicked for this, but wtf |
| 12:01.02 | gravity | maru: Do you remember when that was? |
| 12:01.02 | Bangers | LoneTech, thanks alot for your help :) now I just need to read the doco for pxegrub config |
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| 12:01.09 | linuxtech | simonrvn: #flood then |
| 12:01.14 | djw | when you have bad ram, is it best to just replace the ram stick, or patch the kernel for bad ram? |
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| 12:01.22 | steve4 | the file boot-menu.b must be present into my /boot dir ? |
| 12:01.23 | maru | djw replace |
| 12:01.31 | oskie | how do you change the User-Agent that mozilla is sending? |
| 12:01.34 | simonrvn | no more freetype and xtt restriction in 4.3 |
| 12:01.47 | maru | gravity: hmm 2 or 3 months ago? |
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| 12:01.54 | kerpal | hmm |
| 12:01.56 | oskie | simonrvn: restrictions? there were restrictions for that in 4.3? |
| 12:01.57 | gravity | maru: All right |
| 12:01.59 | hefty | oskie: i have left the most parts of irssi at the default settings, and here it does not show any mass-join.rather something like this: 12:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: stillbourne, KrispET, IQphenom, Evaquator, nion, vance, Severian, lilo, irelandj, agney (+335 more) |
| 12:02.07 | djw | maru: would you say it only gets worse if you don't replace it |
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| 12:02.19 | oskie | hefty: ah.. thought you meant xchat... :/ |
| 12:02.33 | hefty | oskie: i really don`t like xchat, sorry :-) |
| 12:02.45 | steve4 | Can someone tell me if the file boot-menu.b must be present into my /boot dir ? Because i haven't got it.. |
| 12:02.45 | maru | djw: Well, with bad RAM you don'T have a stalbe system any longer |
| 12:02.46 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 12:03.11 | maddo | ive networked debian and winXP. they ping fine and samba is working fine. but i would like to know how i can get debian to share the internet connection with my XP box. XP is configed fine. but do i need to share the internet connection somehow on debian? also im 56k |
| 12:03.17 | Bangers | LoneTech, does pxegrub have any special config options? |
| 12:03.21 | maru | steve4 not in here either |
| 12:03.24 | simonrvn | oskie: no, they were removed in 4.3 |
| 12:03.30 | LoneTech | Bangers: probably. |
| 12:03.34 | oskie | simonrvn: what kind of restrictions though? |
| 12:03.38 | Bangers | I only need a simple menu system. boot hdd or boot .IMG file |
| 12:03.47 | simonrvn | modconf: shut up. you're waaaay too late |
| 12:03.48 | modconf | i haven't a clue, simonrvn |
| 12:03.58 | simonrvn | oskie: it was either/or situation |
| 12:04.01 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.01 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.02 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:04.12 | simonrvn | gravity: ^^^ |
| 12:04.13 | LoneTech | not sure pxegrub can load your .img whatever. |
| 12:04.14 | steve4 | maru : pardon ? i don't understand ? |
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| 12:17.16 | maddo | help me out plz |
| 12:17.16 | maddo | or not |
| 12:17.19 | clown-away | maddo: check tldp.org |
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| 12:23.32 | maru | zxvf: hmm, do you have compiled ide-cd as module as well? |
| 12:23.32 | xtraeme | damnit |
| 12:23.32 | maxb | yeah, not the cdrdao, had to alien a redhat rpm for that |
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| 12:23.34 | zxvf | maru: I'm not sure if thats compiled as a module or into the kernel or even compiled... |
| 12:23.34 | simonrvn | damn 'splits... getting annoying now |
| 12:23.34 | xtraeme | I have some problems when installing libc6, I have to extract it, modify ldconfig, then again it should be built, and installed |
| 12:23.34 | zxvf | maru: i'm going to check. |
| 12:23.34 | gravity | simonrvn: Yeah, it's madness. Is freenode under attack again or something? |
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| 12:23.34 | xtraeme | but I get this error |
| 12:23.34 | xtraeme | dpkg: error processing libc6_2.2.5-6_i386.deb (--install): |
| 12:23.34 | xtraeme | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.34 | dpkg | no idea, xtraeme |
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| 12:23.59 | simonrvn | gravity: i have no idea. the last i heard was some routing issues.. *shrug* |
| 12:24.07 | gravity | Fun |
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| 12:24.39 | zxvf | maru: I don't have SCSI CDROM-ROM Support do I need it? |
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| 12:24.58 | oskie | is there any http proxy software for the purpose of "hacking" web sites (e.g. change user-agent, provide debugging, etc)? |
| 12:25.12 | maru | maxb: what version of cdrdao support burning to ATAPI devices? |
| 12:25.28 | maru | s/support/supports/ |
| 12:26.00 | maxb | 1.1.8pre2 or something, newer than sid's |
| 12:26.08 | maru | maxb: what version are you using? |
| 12:26.26 | maxb | just check |
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| 12:26.46 | zxvf | maru: do I need to enable SCSI CDROM Support? |
| 12:26.56 | maxb | maru -- 1.1.8-1 |
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| 12:27.01 | Bangers | is there a guide anywhere for creating a grub splash image from a .jpg file? |
| 12:27.07 | Bangers | or with photoshop |
| 12:27.11 | simonrvn | try google |
| 12:27.19 | maxb | maru -- aliened it from a fedora rpm |
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| 12:28.15 | les-paul | hey, wtf is that topic about kernel compile? if you don't know how to do it, learn it now! |
| 12:28.56 | w0rd | How would I calulcate how many IPs are in a /19? |
| 12:29.04 | dondelelcaro | les-paul: if you're ready to learn, you'd already know where to get it from. |
| 12:29.07 | maxb | maru -- from here : http://fenrir.infoiasi.ro/~xcyborg/k3b/ |
| 12:29.26 | dondelelcaro | w0rd: 2**(32-19) |
| 12:29.29 | simonrvn | w0rd: ipcalc |
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| 12:36.07 | maxb | heh |
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| 12:36.07 | Sebulba02 | heh |
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| 12:36.07 | simonrvn | gravity: heheh |
| 12:36.07 | Chameleon21 | if i want to build my own php pkg from source, and i need to add some args to where ever the packages default configure options are stored which file would i edit ? |
| 12:36.07 | maxb | any here use nicotine, and i dont mean tobacco products ;) |
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| 12:36.08 | simonrvn | is that dondelelcaro disguised as debhelper, is that really DH doing that? :) |
| 12:36.08 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: its me... |
| 12:36.08 | maru | WTF, cdrdao build-depends on gnome? |
| 12:36.08 | dondelelcaro | Chameleon21: it's in debian/rules |
| 12:36.08 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: you naughty boy :P |
| 12:36.08 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: heh. just cleaning out some of the more lame bans... |
| 12:36.08 | maru | ahh, gcdmaster |
| 12:36.08 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 12:36.08 | Chameleon21 | dondelelcaro: dont understand ? |
| 12:36.10 | gravity | dondelelcaro: How was the show you were going to? |
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| 12:36.20 | streuner | !depends cdrdao |
| 12:36.21 | dondelelcaro | gravity: pretty decent... |
| 12:36.21 | Chameleon21 | gah!!!!!!! |
| 12:36.23 | dpkg | cdrdao: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3.2-1), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.2-1) |
| 12:36.36 | maru | streuner: I mean build-depends |
| 12:36.36 | Chameleon21 | dondelelcaro: more details perhaps? |
| 12:36.36 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Cool. I didn't wind up going up, as you can probably guess |
| 12:36.38 | dondelelcaro | gravity: too many people though... came left around 2:30... |
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| 12:36.49 | streuner | maru: check out your sources.list then |
| 12:36.50 | dondelelcaro | hrm... s/came// |
| 12:36.57 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Which was it again? My friend went up to a show in LA tonight too |
| 12:37.00 | dondelelcaro | Chameleon21: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 12:37.10 | dondelelcaro | gravity: Vikter Duplaix at King King |
| 12:37.27 | gravity | dondelelcaro: And, my friend went to a different one |
| 12:37.54 | maru | streuner: I know why, gcdmaster is in the same package as cdrdao |
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| 12:38.03 | maxb | vikter duplaix? what is that? music, comedy? |
| 12:38.05 | w0rd | hmm im looking at ipcalc usage and don't see how I can calculate how many host addresses available with a given subnet |
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| 12:38.26 | FIshY_ling | hello ppl out there |
| 12:38.28 | maru | streuner some kind of graphical fronted |
| 12:38.29 | Chameleon21 | dondelelcaro: add custom pdf libs support to php so need to recompile it with some exatr opions (eg. --with-...=/path/...) and i dont know which file i need to edit to add those options as i want to build a deb from that (i did apt-get source php4) and install it |
| 12:38.29 | streuner | maru: why, you need an backport? |
| 12:38.30 | maxb | w0rd -- you have a browser? |
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| 12:38.46 | maru | streuner: I need a newer version, ATAPI support |
| 12:38.46 | w0rd | ya |
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| 12:38.58 | w0rd | I sent to the url you gave |
| 12:39.01 | FIshY_ling | can someone help me out wif this mac stuf ? |
| 12:39.02 | w0rd | went rather |
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| 12:39.07 | maxb | then go to the web based ipcalc i told you before |
| 12:39.10 | maru | streuner: right now only CVS seems to support it |
| 12:39.15 | maxb | does all that stuff |
| 12:39.34 | dondelelcaro | Chameleon21: ok, so cd php4-yadayda, $EDITOR debian/rules; and change the line that calls ./configure appropriately. |
| 12:39.48 | Rex | hi, I am installing Debian right now, and it doesn't detect a network device. However, I can't seem to find the correct module to load for my no-name LAN card. Can anyone please help? |
| 12:40.03 | streuner | maru: assufield mentioned yesterday something about kernel-issues, dunno it's right in that context... |
| 12:40.16 | Chameleon21 | dondelelcaro: sweet, exactly what i was looking for, thanx |
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| 12:40.30 | maxb | fishy -- as in mac... intosh, mac address? |
| 12:40.34 | dondelelcaro | Chameleon21: np. then just fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 12:40.48 | maru | streuner: Hmmm, cdrecord seems to work in ATAPI mode, Ill give it a try |
| 12:41.01 | streuner | maru: what kernel? |
| 12:41.10 | streuner | maru: 2.6.0? |
| 12:41.16 | Chameleon21 | dondelelcaro: ye i think i know my way from there, (think being the key word) its my first time rebuilding deb source , loosing my verginity ina way lol |
| 12:41.20 | maxb | maru -- yes cdrecord from sid works in atapi mode, but not cdrdao |
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| 12:41.39 | maru | streuner: yup |
| 12:41.41 | dondelelcaro | Chameleon21: heh. well, you might want to look how debian does the php4-mysql packages, and load the pdf libs that way... |
| 12:41.56 | dondelelcaro | Chameleon21: and/or file an RFP for the pdf libraries... |
| 12:42.00 | streuner | maru: CVS, what is the URL (crdao.sf.net)? |
| 12:42.00 | maru | maxb: yeah, Im getting a CVS version right now |
| 12:42.12 | Chameleon21 | dondelelcaro: RFP? |
| 12:42.14 | maru | streuner: yup |
| 12:42.17 | maxb | oh ok |
| 12:42.24 | dondelelcaro | Chameleon21: request for packaging. apt-get install reportbug; |
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| 12:43.05 | Chameleon21 | dondelelcaro: uhh nah we bought the libs, like its not default once, proprietry code so yeah :/ |
| 12:43.07 | FIshY_ling | can someone tell me wat is all this mac os about ?? how izzit differs from other oses?? |
| 12:43.15 | dondelelcaro | Chameleon21: ah. *shrug* |
| 12:43.26 | oskie | FIshY_ling: it's the OS for mac computers |
| 12:43.27 | dondelelcaro | FIshY_ling: uh, this is #debian, not #osx |
| 12:43.27 | FIshY_ling | :( |
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| 12:43.58 | FIshY_ling | oops.. sorry |
| 12:44.09 | FIshY_ling | thanksanyway |
| 12:44.53 | FIshY_ling | any channel recommended for mac os? |
| 12:45.43 | streuner | fishy: visit irchelp.org , there is an little search engine which search any topic... |
| 12:46.04 | FIshY_ling | ok |
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| 12:51.53 | mage_ | /topic |
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| 12:52.03 | mage_ | ~nvidia |
| 12:52.08 | | i guess nvidia is proprietary? no dri? |
| 12:52.17 | mage_ | ~nvidia driver |
| 12:52.26 | FIshY_ling | err...ismac open source or closed? |
| 12:52.28 | mage_ | !lart apt |
| 12:52.30 | FIshY_ling | :P |
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| 12:54.15 | zxvf | maru: what do I add in the grub.conf file? in the kernel line after I had done everything? |
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| 12:55.26 | maru | zxvf: If you have compiled them as modules editing modules.conf is enough |
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| 12:56.49 | maru | streuner: bah libscg doesn't compile with 2.6 |
| 12:56.55 | Zap-W | (EE) CIRRUS(0): No valid MMIO address in pci config space |
| 12:56.55 | Zap-W | what does this mean |
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| 12:57.28 | streuner | maru: hm |
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| 12:58.46 | zxvf | maru: ok what should I add in the modules.conf line? |
| 12:59.22 | wgq | Hello, everyone! I can't modprobe parport* modules in 2.6.0. Anyone be so kind to tell me why? Thanks. |
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| 12:59.57 | maru | zxvf gimme a sec |
| 13:00.12 | zxvf | maru: K!. |
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| 13:00.30 | maru | zxvf: do you have xcdroast installed? |
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| 13:01.10 | zxvf | maru: no I donnot but I can apt-get it. |
| 13:01.14 | zxvf | I need it anyways. |
| 13:01.22 | matte | if i use a logitech mouse on ps2 with a cordless keyboard...shouldn't i tell X-windows that i use a psaux with the ps/2 protocol? |
| 13:01.34 | Yan^ | Hello people, I have a very basic question about Debian installation, could someone help?? |
| 13:01.35 | maru | zxvf: Install it and then read README.atapi, |
| 13:01.56 | tcp | Yan^: just ask your question |
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| 13:03.07 | zxvf | maru: ah ok, doing so. |
| 13:03.16 | zxvf | maru: thanks for all your help!. |
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| 13:03.42 | maru | streuner: It works with 2.4 kernel-headers |
| 13:03.44 | Yan^ | well, I shall try to install Debian from official CDROMs to a free space (separate partition which already exists).; I am still afraid that smth would not work. Is it possible at every step to abort the installation and to return to the before-installaion state? if yes how do i do it? |
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| 13:04.56 | zakame | hello |
| 13:05.05 | zakame | how do i enable dma in alsa? |
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| 13:06.15 | maru | zakame: what card? |
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| 13:06.55 | tcp | Yan^: you can't "undo" a formatted drive |
| 13:07.14 | tcp | Yan^: if you have a free partition it's ok |
| 13:07.50 | Yan^ | tcp: I have a free logical partition with 7 gigs |
| 13:07.54 | Rex | I have network card but I don't know which module to set it to use it. Can anyone help? |
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| 13:08.12 | zakame | maru, via82xx |
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| 13:12.34 | amundsen | naz |
| 13:12.40 | amundsen | hi |
| 13:12.50 | Rex | Sorry nevermind my question, I find out by excessive testing that it's using the tulip chip :) |
| 13:13.37 | Zap-W | in what package is xviddetect |
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| 13:17.29 | mage_ | Zap-W: that file doesn't exist in the packages |
| 13:17.39 | mage_ | mage@minas-morgul:~$ auto-apt search xviddetect |
| 13:17.39 | mage_ | mage@minas-morgul:~$ |
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| 13:19.34 | Chameleon21 | dondelelcaro: to build deb from source pkg (in the howto) the command is $ dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b |
| 13:19.34 | Chameleon21 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.34 | Chameleon21 | ? |
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| 13:21.21 | peppo | there are some serious bugs in Debian's Mozilla 1.5 package, relating to IMAP |
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| 13:24.21 | Rex | peppo: should we not install 1.5 for now then? |
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| 13:24.42 | mage_ | mmh I have no problem with 1.5 ... |
| 13:24.44 | peppo | Rex, you should |
| 13:24.49 | peppo | this is a specific thing |
| 13:24.55 | peppo | similar things have happened before |
| 13:25.03 | peppo | Debian does some funky stuff to IMAP/auth/login |
| 13:25.09 | peppo | works with a nightly |
| 13:25.11 | peppo | and mozilla's 1.5 |
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| 13:27.28 | DMJC | with the loki setup tools... is any knowledge of programming required to make your own installers? |
| 13:27.39 | DMJC | or is shell scripting sufficient? |
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| 13:29.39 | Chameleon21 | i get an error: fakeroot: command not found when i try to run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b , can any one help please? |
| 13:29.54 | Sebulba02 | apt-get install fakeroot |
| 13:30.20 | Chameleon21 | Sebulba02: heh silly me |
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| 13:36.58 | matte | anyone know how to make cordless mouse and keyboard to work in debian? my keyboard work but it seems that i can't get the mouse to work correctly..i am really stuck now |
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| 13:37.29 | matte | both mouse and keyboard are on ps/2 |
| 13:38.03 | Sebulba02 | you have the problem where the mouse keys are not what they should be or just doesn't work? |
| 13:38.48 | matte | it just don't work at all |
| 13:39.36 | Sebulba02 | oh |
| 13:39.49 | Sebulba02 | probably something with your x config |
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| 13:40.16 | matte | should i just run the xf86config ? |
| 13:40.37 | Sebulba02 | that could work |
| 13:40.50 | Sebulba02 | or you could try finding working examples and edit the conf file yourself |
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| 13:41.09 | Sebulba02 | (which I've been unsuccessful in doing, with a usb wireless mouse/keyboard) |
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| 13:41.23 | Il_proff | hi all |
| 13:41.25 | Il_proff | !!! |
| 13:41.26 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 13:41.32 | matte | btw...i wonder....it sometimes screw up the graphic card in x-windows when i run the xf86config |
| 13:41.33 | Sebulba02 | lol |
| 13:41.48 | Sebulba02 | don't know about that |
| 13:41.53 | matte | what did you put in for the usb thingie then? |
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| 13:42.21 | Il_proff | so any news for me ?!? could some one heklp me with a initramdrive generations under debian woody and reiserfs? |
| 13:42.21 | Sebulba02 | I've not gotten it to totally work. keyboard works fine, but the mouse buttons are all messed up. I need to look into a way to redefine the keys. |
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| 13:42.45 | sile | matte: normaly wireless is the same as wired regarding ps/2. Have you checked with an ordinary mouse? |
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| 13:43.36 | mage_ | what should I compile in 2.6 to get the temperature of my cpu, harddisk, ... ? |
| 13:43.40 | Bangers | anyone use pmachine weblog? |
| 13:43.46 | matte | umm sorry...i use usb too |
| 13:43.50 | matte | my mistake |
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| 13:44.21 | matte | i am just surprised it went so well with the keyboard and not with the mouse thou |
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| 13:44.30 | Sebulba02 | as was I |
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| 13:45.19 | matte | what did you put into the line where it said protocol and port Sebulba02 ? |
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| 13:46.10 | DeLeTe | i need some help for a webcam logitech quickcam messenger, can somebody help me ? |
| 13:46.11 | matte | device... |
| 13:46.15 | Sebulba02 | hmm |
| 13:46.25 | Sebulba02 | I have two mouse devices |
| 13:46.38 | matte | i just need the one for the usb |
| 13:46.47 | queuetue | Hi - could someone point me towards documentation on how to switch to unstable? |
| 13:46.59 | Sebulba02 | I think you need to put Device = /dev/psaux & Protocol = "ImPS/2" |
| 13:47.28 | matte | that's for usb right? |
| 13:47.28 | Zap-W | in what package is xviddetect |
| 13:47.39 | Sebulba02 | I believe so, yes |
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| 13:48.13 | Sebulba02 | I should have commented my X config. |
| 13:48.17 | Zap-W | what's the name of the X tool for detecting video cards |
| 13:48.24 | mage_ | Zap-W: that file doesn't exist in the debian tree. |
| 13:48.39 | Zap-W | so i noticed |
| 13:48.42 | Zap-W | what's the name of the X tool for detecting video cards |
| 13:48.56 | mage_ | ~tell Zap-W about repeat |
| 13:49.29 | KrispET | queuetue: http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2251&highlight= |
| 13:49.32 | Zap-W | i have a license it's ok.. |
| 13:49.48 | abcnew | ow change mouse cursor shape ? |
| 13:49.48 | petemc | Zap-W: discover |
| 13:49.51 | abcnew | how change mouse cursor shape ? |
| 13:51.15 | Zap-W | petemc : do i need to assign an irq to the video card ? |
| 13:51.41 | Zap-W | discover dosent output anything here |
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| 13:52.13 | matte | Sebulba02: it didn't do it for me....but i figure maybe i miss that protocol or something |
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| 13:52.57 | Sebulba02 | matte: I was working with this yesterday... http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200301/msg05737.html |
| 13:53.09 | Sebulba02 | Never got to trying it. |
| 13:53.35 | Sebulba02 | oops, wrong device |
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| 13:55.27 | queuetue | Wait - maybe I don't want unstable. Can someone tell me what I need to do to install freevo? It's apt-get configuration line seems to need unstable, but maybe I don't understand... http://freevo.sourceforge.net/debian/ |
| 13:55.32 | queuetue | Is *google* down? |
| 13:55.52 | Covener | queuetue: working here |
| 13:55.56 | Sebulba02 | no |
| 13:56.16 | queuetue | Yeah, bad cable. Sorry. :) |
| 13:57.04 | FIshY_ling | err..excuse me... |
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| 13:57.24 | matte_ | back |
| 13:57.24 | FIshY_ling | izzit all distro of linux have this bugs tracking thing ? |
| 13:57.43 | Sebulba02 | matte_: get the link I sent you? |
| 13:57.44 | matte_ | Sebulba02: what did you say again? i happend to stop my connection hehe |
| 13:57.56 | Sebulba02 | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200301/msg05737.html |
| 13:58.07 | Sebulba02 | I was toying with that yesterdayy |
| 13:58.09 | Sebulba02 | -y |
| 13:58.10 | w0rd | Anyone familiar with multihomed linux machines? |
| 13:58.15 | asg | FIshY_ling: most use bugzilla, debian uses its own homebrewed BTS |
| 13:58.16 | matte_ | wish it was a simple way to copy the link hehe |
| 13:58.29 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 13:58.46 | FIshY_ling | thanks asg |
| 13:59.21 | asg | matte_: highlight link with mouse (if you use one) and hit the middle mouse button (or right + left buttons together if you only have a 2-button mouse) |
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| 13:59.33 | asg | FIshY_ling: you're welcome |
| 13:59.46 | matte_ | yeah...thanks...but the mouse ain't working at this point ;) |
| 13:59.50 | Sebulba02 | asg: I don't think hes got a mouse |
| 13:59.58 | asg | matte_: ah, okay |
| 14:00.43 | asg | Sebulba02: he could use the C&P functions in screen (provided he is running his client inside screen of course) |
| 14:01.04 | Sebulba02 | true |
| 14:02.10 | beta3 | morning asg |
| 14:02.14 | asg | beta3: morning |
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| 14:02.44 | mxn | Hi. I often try to use a combination of dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to package up various sources for local use. However, I don't seem to be able to compile anything atm. This is the error I keep on getting: "/bin/sh: line 1: -g: command not found" Any ideas? |
| 14:02.56 | Sebulba02 | brb, lemme try this config |
| 14:02.56 | beta3 | asg: took 15 hrs but I cleaned out my office and my bedroom, and can let my dog run free upstairs |
| 14:03.09 | asg | beta3: hehe |
| 14:03.12 | queuetue | KrispET: On the very first line... I don't have an /etc/apt/apt.conf ... |
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| 14:03.34 | mxn | (Followed by this: "make: *** [config.status] Error 127") |
| 14:03.45 | asg | queuetue: touch /etc/apt/apt.conf (voila!) |
| 14:03.45 | beta3 | asg: I just put the gate against the stairs and close the bathroom and My mom's room and my bro's room |
| 14:03.57 | beta3 | asg: I leave my doors open and she runs back and forth |
| 14:04.14 | asg | beta3: cool, dogs need some room :) |
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| 14:04.41 | Il_proff | hi all, could someone hep me with a reiserfs and a initrd ? actually I come undone !!!! i can't make it works ! Everytime i try to use this ramdrive i received and error like "unable to find reiserfs_some_funcion on root FS!... any idea ??? |
| 14:04.48 | queuetue | asg: and then add the line "APT::Default-Release "unstable";" ? |
| 14:05.02 | beta3 | asg: normally I would have to close my door, and keep running after her because she picked something up |
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| 14:05.33 | asg | queuetue: or "stable" and use apt-get -t unstable install <blah> (to get the unstable packages you need.) |
| 14:05.52 | asg | beta3: hehe, yeah. I have to keep a close eye on my cats too |
| 14:06.00 | beta3 | asg: bs |
| 14:06.07 | DocOliver | if I managed to select a package for deletion, but want to remove that flag, what can I do? |
| 14:06.09 | beta3 | asg: cats, they sit around all day |
| 14:06.23 | asg | beta3: not mine; they are crazy |
| 14:06.26 | beta3 | asg: I trained my dog to bring me the newspaper in the morning |
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| 14:06.44 | asg | beta3: well, my wife trained me to do that ;) |
| 14:06.51 | beta3 | asg: hah |
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| 14:08.03 | beta3 | asg: this is nice, I don't have to keep watching my dog :) |
| 14:08.14 | queuetue | asg: Thanks. *that*'s what I really wanted. |
| 14:08.16 | asg | beta3: :) |
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| 14:08.22 | asg | queuetue: you're welcome |
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| 14:08.57 | beta3 | asg: and if she does get bored, Ill just throw a tennis ball out and she brings it back, and do it for a while till she gets tired |
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| 14:09.24 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 14:09.47 | steve4 | ls |
| 14:09.51 | steve4 | hello ! |
| 14:10.00 | asg | steve4: hi, don't irc as root |
| 14:10.02 | Sebulba02 | you shouldn't irc as root |
| 14:10.09 | mark | hi all, how can I tell which depository a package has come from? |
| 14:10.10 | strerror | ~tell steve4 about root |
| 14:10.20 | asg | mark: apt-cache policy package |
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| 14:10.39 | mark | asg, cheers |
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| 14:11.17 | tola | hi everyone. why is a knoppix hard disk install different to debian, and will asking for help in #debian cause me problems if I'm running Knoppix? |
| 14:11.41 | beta3 | tola: go #knoppix |
| 14:11.42 | asg | tola: yes, #knoppix is where you should go for answers to knoppix questions |
| 14:12.02 | tola | beta3 asg: why? |
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| 14:12.20 | asg | tola: but the quick answer is that knoppix uses non-standard and unofficial packages that are not supported by Debian officially |
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| 14:12.54 | tola | asg: ok. but I don't see why that means asking for help in #debian would be a problem. why is that? |
| 14:13.10 | asg | tola: because we don't run knoppix, we cannot possibly provide any support for it |
| 14:13.20 | steve4 | what is the problem with connecting to irc as root ? |
| 14:13.33 | asg | tola: we run the 3 base flavours of Debian (woody,sarge, and sid) |
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| 14:13.43 | tola | steve4: egad! why would you WANT to do that? |
| 14:13.44 | asg | tola: we provide support for those |
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| 14:14.18 | asg | steve4: it is a potential security hazard |
| 14:14.28 | tola | asg: I often find that in #knoppix when I ask a question about a hard disk install, people refer me to #debian |
| 14:14.35 | colde89 | scanner is not detected with scanimage -L lsusb cold find him any idea ?? |
| 14:14.37 | steve4 | tola : i don't want but i did it once and almost all users of the channel told me to not do it. |
| 14:14.40 | asg | steve4: also, getting out of the habit of using root for non-administrative tasks will help you in the long run |
| 14:14.43 | steve4 | arg : thx |
| 14:14.50 | mage_ | steve4: the problem is that your process runs as root and if there is a security issue in your irc client ... your box can be conpromised |
| 14:15.09 | steve4 | mage_ : ok thx |
| 14:15.12 | asg | tola: hmmm, they shouldn't. The problems you are likely to have will not be exhibited by people here, nor will they appear in the BTS |
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| 14:16.19 | ciga | I have a new kernel. is it okay to add 'kernel /usr/src/linux-2.6.0/arch/i386/boot/bzImage root=/dev/hdax ro'? where x is my root. |
| 14:16.47 | asg | ciga: you should copy the kernel image to /boot and reference it from there |
| 14:16.50 | steve4 | i don't know how you administrate your systems but me i always need to connect as root to lunch several apps like xdm, ethereal, etc. |
| 14:17.14 | steve4 | And you, how do you do ? |
| 14:17.35 | tola | asg: the reason I'm asking this question btw, is that this morning I wiped my hard disk that contained Knoppix 3.2 and installed debian stable. Once I'd finally got through the installation I ended up with my sound not working, fluxbox was all funny and I had a hell of a lot of work to do to get to a usable system. i.e. one with open office and all the tools I use. vim wasn't installed by default and the box couldn't even shut itself down. That and every just lo |
| 14:17.42 | asg | steve4: use 'sudo' or 'su' if you must run some apps that need root privs |
| 14:17.48 | Covener | steve4: most people launch individual applications like that as necessary,. |
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| 14:18.14 | asg | tola: okay, did you read the install guide? |
| 14:18.21 | steve4 | asg : this is what i do |
| 14:18.30 | spoopin | asg: what up? |
| 14:18.30 | steve4 | asg : i use su |
| 14:18.32 | asg | steve4: okay, that's fine then. |
| 14:18.40 | asg | spoopin: not much, merry new year hahahhaha |
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| 14:18.59 | spoopin | asg: yeah.. I guess you got my message then :) |
| 14:19.04 | colde89 | scanner is not detected with scanimage -L lsusb cold find him any idea ?? |
| 14:19.19 | asg | spoopin: haven't checked the phone today (we were next door at a party last night and got in a little late.) |
| 14:19.21 | ciga | asg: i copied /usr/src/linux-2.6.0/arch/i386/boot/bzImage to /vmlinuz-2.6.0, but I still can't boot up with it. |
| 14:19.35 | asg | ciga: what boot loader are you using? |
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| 14:19.43 | spoopin | asg: quite. Up for a beer later today? |
| 14:19.46 | ciga | asg: first lilo, now grub |
| 14:19.50 | asg | spoopin: absolutely! |
| 14:19.59 | simonrvn | da beer mon |
| 14:20.01 | ciga | asg: I'm on woody. with no kernel modules |
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| 14:20.12 | asg | simonrvn: hurray beer! |
| 14:20.16 | simonrvn | yay |
| 14:20.31 | Delicates | ciga: what happened to /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0 ? ;op |
| 14:20.32 | spoopin | asg: cool. I gotta make the usual sun. trek to Mom's but I'm free after 12:00 or so |
| 14:20.44 | tola | asg: I decided to install Knoppix 3.3 instead, because everything just works. The main reason I wanted to install debian in the first place is that every time I ask someone for help and I mention knoppix they usually clam up as if Knoppix is evil. I really want to learn about Linux properly so this was a problem. But when nothing works I just think, what's the point? I have a very thick book on debian "Debian GNU/Linux Bible" which I've been referencing and I re |
| 14:20.52 | asg | spoopin: cool, I'll call you from C. Tavern after 12 then. |
| 14:20.56 | ciga | Delicates: I can boot up with /vmlinuz-2.4.23 :) |
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| 14:21.24 | Delicates | ciga: I thought you just said you can't? ;op |
| 14:21.27 | spoopin | asg: cool. Talk to you then..... |
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| 14:21.33 | asg | spoopin: :) laters |
| 14:21.41 | ciga | Delicates: that is for /vmlinuz-2.6.0 ;) read again ;) |
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| 14:22.06 | asg | tola: well, Debian is not 'out of the box' configured because it can be (and is) used for so many different things. |
| 14:22.35 | asg | tola: however, setting it up is straight forward and you will learn more about Linux in general using it. |
| 14:22.44 | Delicates | ciga: well why don't you configure your bootloader then? ;op |
| 14:22.45 | Covener | tola: debian isn't oriented towards novices or to produce a shiny desktop right after the install -- it errs on the side of caution for many things |
| 14:22.55 | tola | asg: ok, I see. But in that case I see Knoppix as an out of the box configured debian. Is that a bad way of looking at it? |
| 14:22.58 | Yan^ | tcp: hello! I am installing debian and have run into a problem,could u help please? everything went OK and it did not erase the other patritions, so i kept all what I had, but !!! |
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| 14:23.23 | Yan^ | he did not recognize the cdrom I have installed when it was time to cobnnfigure APT |
| 14:23.29 | simonrvn | knoppix != debian, knoppix is based on it |
| 14:23.30 | asg | tola: well, again, knoppix is based on Debian but it isn't Debian. |
| 14:23.46 | tola | Covener: ok. this doesn't explain why in Knoppix my sound works by default but doesn't in Debian. Or does it? |
| 14:23.57 | asg | tola: because they use a different kernel |
| 14:24.19 | ciga | Delicates: don't know. maybe I have the time for playing around. First, lilo did not want to boot, cos 'EBDA too big', then I installed grub to boot up with that 2.6.0 on woody, but I just don't seem to be able to do so |
| 14:24.20 | Covener | tola: because they are two completely differently configured systems, that can't be surprising to you because it's your entire point |
| 14:24.27 | asg | tola: the debian install kernels are meant for installing; if you need broad support, apt-get install kernel-image (pick one) or compile a fresh one with your hardware |
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| 14:25.02 | tola | asg: I was under the impression that installing a more up to date kernel for debian is a difficult process. Is this not the case? |
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| 14:25.32 | asg | tola: no, apt-get install kernel-image (pick from the list that suits) |
| 14:25.55 | asg | tola: that's it (read the instructions during the install though, that is vital as the 'initrd' portion is often a sticking point) |
| 14:26.04 | Delicates | ciga: your GRUB description is very detailed |
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| 14:26.20 | ciga | Delicates: what do you mean? |
| 14:26.47 | asg | tola: you can always just compile from source too (the debian way /msg dpkg kp) |
| 14:27.14 | Delicates | ciga: "don't seem to be able to boot" is the most detailed problem description I ever seen ;o) |
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| 14:27.21 | tola | asg: that sound horrifyingly difficult for someone with my knowledge |
| 14:27.25 | Yan^ | Hello people maybe smb could help? I am installing debian all works fine but during the "APT configuring" the debian refused to recognize the CDROM, which I have put into the drive |
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| 14:28.05 | Zap-W | My 1700+ chip is gone |
| 14:28.34 | asg | tola: well, then you might be better off using another distro until you feel more comfortable. We'll help you with Debian though we do expect people have attempted to solve their own problems first and read the appropriate documentation |
| 14:28.43 | Delicates | Yan^: lemme guess, you're trying to use Sarge beta CD while installing unstable ;op |
| 14:28.46 | tola | asg: like knoppix? |
| 14:28.48 | ciga | Delicates: well. instead of the silly chat, I will try an other thing. |
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| 14:29.01 | asg | tola: sure |
| 14:29.02 | Delicates | ciga: always helps ;o) |
| 14:29.17 | Yan^ | delicates: I am trying bf2.4 flavor, |
| 14:29.18 | tola | asg: I do understand your frustration with people who don't read the manual :P |
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| 14:29.19 | tam | i've done an apt-get on linux gazette issues...how would i view them ? :-/ |
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| 14:29.34 | Delicates | Yan^: Woody? |
| 14:29.44 | Yan^ | delicates: |
| 14:29.45 | Yan^ | yes |
| 14:29.54 | Yan^ | official CDROM on 7 CDs |
| 14:30.48 | asg | tam: they should be in /usr/share/doc/* |
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| 14:31.00 | Delicates | Yan^: it doesn't recognise THE CD from which you have booted? |
| 14:31.26 | Yan^ | and it works, I have the minimum installed, but it is very minimal, and i understand that all the nice things are not installed; when I was trying to understand what's going on I nave seen a message: ISO no supported by the kernel which disappeared quickly |
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| 14:31.41 | asg | tola: well, admittedly, some manuals don't make sense to folk who don't have the necessary background. |
| 14:32.22 | tam | asg: ahh, thanks |
| 14:32.23 | Yan^ | delicates: Yes it does not. In the process I have installed 2 of them: number 5 with 2.4, and the 1st one from which i booted, then I got them out and booted from the harddisk |
| 14:32.24 | Delicates | Yan^: iso file system? |
| 14:32.28 | Yan^ | Yes!! |
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| 14:32.46 | amico | Hi to All |
| 14:33.15 | Delicates | Yan^: where have you got the CDs? have you downloaded the ISOs? |
| 14:33.40 | Yan^ | no I ordered them from ikarios, and received by the mail |
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| 14:33.50 | amico | I have ISDN, and I try to connect with program KPPP but I don't know how to setup command of "modem", please help... |
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| 14:34.01 | maler | Hi. I'm running through some trouble with my sound system... Is there any way to have my mixer save the settings forever? XDD Every reboot I have to open aumix and set the volumes :))) Any hints or insults are welcome :) |
| 14:34.02 | Delicates | Yan^: what platform are you installing em on? |
| 14:34.21 | Yan^ | sorry: what d u mean by platform? |
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| 14:34.38 | Covener | maler: alsa? alsactl storeand then the startup scripts will reload them |
| 14:34.51 | ljlane | maler: I believe it's S for save in aumix. |
| 14:34.56 | Delicates | Yan^: ix86, Alpha and so on |
| 14:35.05 | Yan^ | ix86 |
| 14:35.17 | Covener | maler: aumix also stores the mixer levels in /etc/aumixrc and reloads them from init scripts |
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| 14:35.58 | beta3 | asg: what is the point of crypto loop? |
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| 14:36.03 | Emiml | hi |
| 14:36.07 | Emiml | damnnd |
| 14:36.07 | beta3 | asg: it really doesn't provide that much protection |
| 14:36.16 | maler | Aha. I'll see what it does :)) Thx Covener & ljlane |
| 14:36.17 | ljlane | maler, there are probably docs on it. Edit /etc/default/aumix too. |
| 14:36.21 | Emiml | I've hust deleted alll my /home directory |
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| 14:36.38 | beta3 | Emiml: bummer |
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| 14:36.41 | Emiml | It was on ext3 partition. Is there any tool in debian for recovery such data? |
| 14:36.50 | ljlane | Emiml, no |
| 14:36.51 | Sebulba02 | that sucks |
| 14:37.04 | MBit | hi |
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| 14:37.31 | asg | beta3: what do you mean? |
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| 14:37.54 | beta3 | asg: crypto loop, will allow you to mount a parition over an encrypted loop, yet there is no password |
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| 14:38.42 | asg | beta3: oh, hmmm. Dunno. |
| 14:38.55 | beta3 | asg: the data is encrypted but only by cipher |
| 14:39.07 | asg | beta3: w/o a passphrase, it is pretty worthless (unless the intent is to just prevent casual snooping) |
| 14:39.22 | mgoldey | I've just installed Debian for the first time and it's running fine with one problem: the KDE File Manager won't load. Actually, kdesu starts and spawns subprocesses, but no window opens in KDE. Any thoughts why? |
| 14:39.27 | LoonaTick | Emiml: The data should still be on. if you can find a tool to manually restore the filesystem (like active uneraser for windows) you can recover it. |
| 14:39.33 | MBit | I have a problem whith the bin-misc option whith the kernel. I have compiled it in. the directory /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc exsist. but there is no file register. and the command echo ':DOSWin:M::MZ::/usr/local/bin/wine:' > register just return a bash: register: No such file or directory. So whats wrong? |
| 14:39.39 | asg | mgoldey: you might try #debian-kde |
| 14:39.43 | intero | man chown --> man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct <-- i think they are, which man should i check? |
| 14:39.46 | mgoldey | brilliant, thanks |
| 14:40.01 | mgoldey | now to figure out x-chat :) |
| 14:40.02 | asg | intero: apt-get install locales |
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| 14:40.17 | beta3 | asg: but it will be listed in fstab |
| 14:40.21 | beta3 | asg: lol |
| 14:40.25 | intero | asg: heh, installed and reconfigured, also those $vars are set |
| 14:40.31 | asg | beta3: the passphrase? |
| 14:40.36 | toothpick | I've been googling for info on bootcd...but the manual needs more for me...anyone know of an idiot's guide for bootcd? |
| 14:40.36 | Nurbs | Emiml: most (if not all) ext2 tools don't recover deleted files from ext3, given that ext3 zeroes out (or something like that) more blocks than ext2 |
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| 14:40.51 | asg | intero: odd. Did you pick the correct locale(s) when you reconfigured? |
| 14:41.22 | intero | asg: i picked it_IT.ISO8859-15 and the same one utf, set the iso as default |
| 14:41.39 | tola | asg: thanks for the chat. I'm still not decided whether to stick with Knoppix for now or take the plunge with Debian though. The main problem I've got is lack of time to read manuals I think. I'm off. |
| 14:41.56 | asg | tola: you're welcome; good luck with whatever you decide upon |
| 14:42.01 | tola | asg: thanks |
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| 14:42.07 | arcangel | quick question |
| 14:42.22 | asg | intero: hmmm, I don't know then. I'm sorry |
| 14:42.23 | LoonaTick | toothpick: You mean making your own boot cd or a debian boot cd to install your system from? |
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| 14:42.38 | intero | asg: thanks anyway |
| 14:42.42 | asg | arcangel: professor plum in the conservatory with the candlestick? |
| 14:42.45 | arcangel | I have mandrake and have an extra partition where im goint to install debian. My question is, will I have to make another swap partition? |
| 14:42.45 | asg | intero: you're welcome |
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| 14:42.58 | asg | arcangel: no, they can share a single swap |
| 14:43.07 | ploum | Hi |
| 14:43.17 | arcangel | ok great |
| 14:43.19 | arcangel | another question |
| 14:43.20 | ploum | I have a problem with some packages in unstable |
| 14:43.22 | toothpick | LoonaTick, the package bootcd...thought that took my running system and made it a live cd...read only though. |
| 14:43.28 | asg | ploum: have you checked the BTS? |
| 14:43.46 | ploum | Paramétrage de numlockx (1.0-7) ... |
| 14:43.47 | ploum | --output-fd: unknown option |
| 14:43.47 | ploum | debconf: whiptail output to the above errors, giving up! |
| 14:43.47 | ploum | dpkg : erreur de traitement de numlockx (--configure) : |
| 14:43.47 | ploum | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:43.47 | dpkg | ploum: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 14:43.49 | arcangel | where can I edit the internet configurations on mandrake |
| 14:43.55 | arcangel | I ment on debian |
| 14:44.01 | asg | arcangel: man 5 interfaces |
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| 14:44.21 | arcangel | is there a gui for it asg? |
| 14:44.26 | asg | ploum: /msg dpkg BTS |
| 14:44.53 | asg | arcangel: I'm not aware of one |
| 14:44.59 | arcangel | ok thanks |
| 14:45.00 | asg | arcangel: it's a simple text file to edit |
| 14:45.02 | arcangel | bbl |
| 14:45.03 | ploum | asg, what's BTS ? |
| 14:45.10 | asg | !+bts |
| 14:45.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts, too |
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| 14:45.22 | asg | ploum: if you are running sid, you should be familiar with it |
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| 14:46.10 | addNtoX | hi folks |
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| 14:46.27 | ploum | well, sorry... |
| 14:46.35 | asg | !wave addNtoX |
| 14:46.37 | ploum | I didn't understand that it was the bug system ! |
| 14:46.56 | ploum | I thought it was a command.. |
| 14:46.57 | asg | ploum: I'd start by looking for new bugs on numlockx (chances are, someone has reported the problem you are having) |
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| 14:47.16 | ploum | thx asg |
| 14:47.20 | asg | ploum: you're welcome |
| 14:48.03 | amico | help! |
| 14:48.17 | amico | I have ISDN, who to configure kppp ???????????????' |
| 14:48.18 | asg | amico: we don't sing 'Beatles' songs often |
| 14:48.30 | Sebulba02 | heh |
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| 14:49.17 | ploum | asg, I don't think it's a bug : I have it with somes packages, and nobody seems to have the problem in my neigbourhood |
| 14:49.23 | amico | Damn....I need help for KPPP! |
| 14:49.32 | asg | amico: try #debian-kde then |
| 14:49.33 | ploum | Also, I don't see anything on numlockx BTS. |
| 14:49.34 | queuetue | Any idea what's going on here? debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Readline |
| 14:49.34 | queuetue | debconf: (Can't locate Term/ReadLine.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8.2 /usr/share/perl/5.8.2 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Readline.pm line 5, <> line 15.) |
| 14:49.34 | queuetue | debconf: falling back to frontend: Teletype |
| 14:49.53 | asg | ploum: I don't speak french but from the layout of what you pasted earlier, it looks like a packaging bug |
| 14:50.02 | ploum | And why numlockx, mozilla-locale and hddtemp must have the same bug at the same time ? |
| 14:50.16 | ploum | asg, I will set the local to C |
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| 14:50.33 | asg | ploum: you have to understand that packages have dependencies and when they get updated in unstable, not all dependencies are available or the packager messes something up |
| 14:51.02 | ploum | asg, I understand it well .. I'm a long time Debian users ;) |
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| 14:51.25 | asg | ploum: okay. I'd file a bug on it though if non exists |
| 14:51.31 | ploum | If I'm here, it's only because *nobody* seems to have the problem |
| 14:51.38 | queuetue | WHat can I do about "Depends: mplayer-fonts but it is not installable" ? |
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| 14:51.57 | asg | ploum: in the meantime, you can hack the postinst file in /var/lib/dpkg/info/* to solve the problem |
| 14:52.00 | intero | what does it mean to set suid at something? (chown +s) |
| 14:52.08 | Joona--- | What do I need to do to get my USB mouse work? I have hotplug installed. |
| 14:52.17 | Joona--- | I have no idea how to make it work :( |
| 14:52.30 | asg | intero: anyone who runs the suid'd program will run it with the effective UID of the owner of the program |
| 14:52.51 | asg | Joona---: /msg dpkg usb mouse |
| 14:52.56 | intero | ah, okay |
| 14:53.00 | Joona--- | ¨/msg dpkg usb mouse |
| 14:53.00 | intero | thanks asqui |
| 14:53.01 | intero | asg |
| 14:53.06 | Joona--- | err |
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| 14:53.50 | mfbian | hmm i heard mplayerhq.hu moved their site from debian to slackware. and they say debian core development sucks |
| 14:53.54 | beta3 | asg: I want to know how japanese people who don't know english code in C |
| 14:54.09 | asg | beta3: it's just a series of symbols to memorize |
| 14:54.16 | beta3 | asg: I guess |
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| 14:54.44 | asg | mfbian: they didn't keep up with security updates and therefore assume this is somehow our fault |
| 14:54.54 | queuetue | What can I do about "Depends: mplayer-fonts but it is not installable" ? |
| 14:55.57 | De_Mon | uugh ALL 2.4 kernels :/ glad to be back from vacation. . . |
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| 14:57.36 | ploum | asg, I try to modify numlockx.postinst but without success.. I think that it's not numlockx related but well debconf related |
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| 14:57.54 | asg | ploum: could be or related to whiptail |
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| 14:59.24 | ploum | asg, indeed ! All packets need whiptail ! |
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| 14:59.58 | asg | ploum: well, all ones that use debconf. |
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| 15:00.50 | ploum | asg, could you give me any little packet that also use it ? I will try to see if I have the problem |
| 15:01.13 | asg | ploum: apt-get install --reinstall locales |
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| 15:02.15 | MagicHands | when i type apt-get install libxml2-dev, it says "Depends: libxml2 (= 2.4.23-1) but 2.4.23-2 is to be installed" what should i do? I don't see the lower version of libxml2 in apt-cache search |
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| 15:02.29 | ploum | asg, no problem for locales.. |
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| 15:02.36 | azreal | anyone haveing trouble with rxvt after recent update? |
| 15:02.54 | Emiml | Is there any filesystem with journaling which has ability to undelete files? |
| 15:02.56 | asg | ploum: how about with dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 15:03.03 | RichiH | MagicHands: try apt-get update |
| 15:03.20 | ploum | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.20 | ploum | --output-fd: unknown option |
| 15:03.20 | ploum | debconf: whiptail output to the above errors, giving up! |
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| 15:03.46 | azreal | grrr |
| 15:03.49 | asg | ploum: hmm, when was the last time you updated your sources? |
| 15:03.55 | ploum | today |
| 15:03.59 | azreal | anyone haveing trouble with rxvt after recent update? |
| 15:04.11 | azreal | crashing X? |
| 15:04.21 | asg | ploum: hmmm, I just did and I'm not seeing any issues. Are you using any non-standard packages or sources? |
| 15:04.29 | asg | azreal: check the bts |
| 15:04.45 | MagicHands | RichiH: I tried that. it wants to install a lower version than what is currently available |
| 15:04.56 | ploum | asg, yes indeed.. I use some others sources |
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| 15:05.07 | azreal | actually, they appear to not be running, but processes say they are |
| 15:05.17 | ploum | mplayer, matroska, and somes others things.. |
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| 15:06.02 | asg | ploum: hmmmm. I'd check the policy (apt-cache policy <pkg>) for debconf and whiptail and make sure they are still coming from unstable |
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| 15:07.00 | ploum | asg, they both come from ftp://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be unstable/main Packages |
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| 15:07.14 | sgeigerbot | asg: sgeiger@adam:~/notes$ apt-cache policy screen E: Invalid operation policy |
| 15:07.24 | asg | ploum: hmmm, is that a debian mirror? |
| 15:07.36 | ploum | asg, yes indeed, an official one ! |
| 15:07.54 | asg | ploum: hmmm, okay. |
| 15:07.58 | sgeigerbot | asg: "policy" isn't in the man page either. Is it because I have an old version of apt-cache? |
| 15:07.59 | tcp | hmm.. it takes ages for me to do stuff like check/read emails with evolution, and to get my personal settings loaded when i log on to gnome... im mounting my home dirs with nfs and both the server and this workstation is running debian... it started to be like this a week ago or something but i haven't found out why yet |
| 15:08.19 | asg | sgeigerbot: could be, you using woody? |
| 15:08.29 | amundsen | i'm having some trouble with antialiasing in kde 3.1.4. most of the fonts have antialiasing, but the "fixed width" section of kontrol center doesn' t work |
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| 15:08.47 | asg | amundsen: try #debian-kde |
| 15:08.54 | ploum | asg, it's indeed whiptail. Because I can do a dpkg-reconfigure -fgnome debconf |
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| 15:09.21 | asg | ploum: okay. File a bug. |
| 15:09.40 | MagicHands | how should I downgrade from libxml2-2.4.23-2 to libxml2-2.4.23-1 ? |
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| 15:10.27 | RichiH | yay |
| 15:10.37 | asg | sgeigerbot: afaict, it is listed in woody's man for apt-cache |
| 15:10.47 | ploum | asg, THANX A LOT ! |
| 15:10.51 | asg | ploum: you're welcome |
| 15:11.02 | ploum | this was very helpful.. I will fill a bug.. |
| 15:11.06 | asg | :) |
| 15:11.07 | RichiH | MagicHands: the is foo.debian.net, but i can't remember foo ;) |
| 15:11.18 | RichiH | it's an archive of all .deb packages |
| 15:11.27 | RichiH | asg: help me here... |
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| 15:12.40 | RichiH | unban spam coming up |
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| 15:12.56 | azreal | something is fucked from recent update :P |
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| 15:15.27 | clovis | In which package can I find the tool 'build' |
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| 15:16.36 | RichiH | MagicHands: snapshot.debian.net |
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| 15:17.24 | clovis | I need 'build' tool to build a debian package... |
| 15:17.47 | asg | RichiH: I would but I'm not an op :) |
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| 15:18.02 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 15:18.11 | MagicHands | RichiH: what should I do? should I include it in my sources.list? |
| 15:18.14 | RichiH | asg: i meant about s.d.n :) |
| 15:18.15 | asg | clovis: apt-get install build-essential |
| 15:18.35 | RichiH | clovis: build-essential, as apt-cache search tells you, too |
| 15:18.39 | mamolo_EL | hello i have a question i want to convert a sound file sampled in 41khz to 48khz |
| 15:18.55 | clovis | Yeah, but I haven't the command 'build' |
| 15:18.57 | asg | RichiH: heh, okay. What do you need me to do? |
| 15:18.59 | mamolo_EL | how can i achieve that? |
| 15:19.28 | evon | dont irc as root |
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| 15:19.33 | ftmiranda | hello |
| 15:19.42 | clovis | I need the build *command* |
| 15:19.57 | ftmiranda | Im having a hard time trying to make dhtml work on my linux... |
| 15:20.11 | RichiH | MagicHands: go to packages.debian.org/yourpackage - click the developer info, look up the release date of -2 and go back in time one day for your sources.list (snapshot.d.n/year/month/day/..) |
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| 15:20.25 | RichiH | oh, p.d.o is still down, isn't it? |
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| 15:20.34 | RichiH | then use apt-cache show yourpackage |
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| 15:20.39 | ftmiranda | I installed php4, php-postge module , apache, dhtml module and still no working |
| 15:20.49 | ftmiranda | Any suggestions?? |
| 15:20.52 | RichiH | asg: remember the "snapshot" part of s.d.n ;) |
| 15:20.54 | twistednerve | good morning |
| 15:21.00 | asg | RichiH: :) okay |
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| 15:21.05 | ftmiranda | Im trying to run this phppgadmin and it uses dhtml extension... |
| 15:21.07 | clovis | ftmiranda: dhtml is a client language |
| 15:21.12 | RichiH | asg: i.e. you are use- and worthless to me, now |
| 15:21.16 | jaime | hello now i'm at usermode , i want to know if i can play any sound resampling in my sis7012 sound |
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| 15:21.20 | RichiH | asg: i can tell you a joke, though |
| 15:21.34 | ftmiranda | clovis, I know... I installed it in my debian system.... but still not working |
| 15:21.34 | asg | RichiH: yeah, I'm still hungover from last night ... not firing all cylinders yet |
| 15:21.41 | RichiH | :) |
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| 15:21.47 | MagicHands | RichiH: ok. thanks |
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| 15:21.50 | RichiH | np |
| 15:21.54 | clovis | ftmiranda: just install mozilla |
| 15:22.01 | ftmiranda | clovis, I did... |
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| 15:22.06 | evon | :D im still hungover since 2 nights ago :DD |
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| 15:22.16 | ftmiranda | clovis, actually Im using it to try to access this dhtml file |
| 15:22.16 | clovis | Don't you need the build command to build debian packages? |
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| 15:22.28 | asg | clovis: no, there is not build command. you need dpkg-buildpackage |
| 15:22.36 | asg | s/not build/no build/ |
| 15:22.38 | beta3 | asg: heh bored again |
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| 15:22.46 | asg | beta3: you or me :) |
| 15:22.53 | beta3 | asg: me |
| 15:23.05 | clovis | see http://www.debian.or.jp/Documents.obsoleted/Documents_ORG/make_package.html |
| 15:23.06 | asg | beta3: hmmm, how's the d-i dev going? |
| 15:23.06 | beta3 | asg: I have an interesting project, porting debhelper to c |
| 15:23.14 | beta3 | asg: been lazy lately |
| 15:23.30 | beta3 | asg: need to get in touch with joey hess and have him merge the lvm2 stuff in |
| 15:24.19 | asg | beta3: cool, you got it going then? |
| 15:24.26 | beta3 | asg: I also need to port cloop 2 to 2.6 |
| 15:24.44 | cuse | is there a RFC editor program in Debian? |
| 15:25.04 | beta3 | asg: yeah, it looks like we're in great shape here, this installer however will need a lot of work before it can work with 2.6 and is not likely that 2.6 is going to be a part of this release |
| 15:25.08 | asg | beta3: I still need to hack that deployment script for berlios (I also have been lazy lately :) |
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| 15:25.37 | beta3 | asg: We have also decided after we release sarge that work should still be done on d-i and we should port it to 2.6 |
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| 15:25.51 | asg | beta3: nice |
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| 15:26.28 | asg | clovis: that link points to some very old resources, check the maint-guide at www.debian.org for a more updated document |
| 15:27.00 | ftmiranda | clovis, sorry the extension is Phtml |
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| 15:29.47 | ftmiranda | clovis, the extension Im trying to run is phtml, I installed the module but still not working on mozilla, any suggestion? |
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| 15:30.16 | Havok_ | hi everyone, I just installed sarge and everytime I use apt-get I get "Broken packages" errors, is this normal? I don't seem to be able to install anything. |
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| 15:30.56 | asg | Havok_: check your sources.lst to make sure it is correct. apt-get update. |
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| 15:32.41 | kurumin | hello world, I am in LINUX, thanks GOD, for KURUMIN |
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| 15:34.15 | maihem | Using d-i-demo, is there any way to see more of the installation sequence than just choose language, shell, and exit? |
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| 15:35.13 | asg | maihem: try #debian-boot |
| 15:35.28 | maihem | sorry, thx |
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| 15:35.34 | Lathiat | Anyone know how to look at my fan speeds/temp sensors under linux |
| 15:35.36 | Lathiat | just like MBM on windows |
| 15:36.01 | asg | Lathiat: lmsensors + whatever kernel patch is required iirc |
| 15:36.18 | Lathiat | yeh i was looking at that doesnt seem to find my sensors *hrmm* damn |
| 15:36.38 | Havok_ | asg: thanks, I have stable sources in my sources.list but am running sarge, apt-setup doesn't seem to let me select anything but stable. Can I edit the sources.list and change stable to testing" ? |
| 15:36.44 | asg | Lathiat: hmmm, okay. |
| 15:36.51 | asg | Havok_: yes, /msg dpkg stable->testing |
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| 15:40.02 | asg | Lathiat: have you checked the lm-sensors homepage for information? |
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| 15:40.22 | evon | what is /etc/init.d/umountnfs.sh? |
| 15:40.52 | asg | evon: makes sure that nfs mounts are unmounted at certain runlevels |
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| 15:41.16 | evon | can it do any harm to the system? |
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| 15:41.27 | asg | evon: it shouldn't |
| 15:41.35 | evon | ok thanx |
| 15:42.06 | asg | evon: it will umount /proc so I wouldn't run it unless you are shutting the machine down |
| 15:42.07 | Havok_ | asg: you mean type "dpkg stable->testing" ? |
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| 15:42.43 | asg | Havok_: well, you message our friendly bot type '/msg dpkg stable->testing' in your irc client |
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| 15:44.04 | Havok_ | asg: thanks :) |
| 15:44.10 | asg | Havok_: you're welcome |
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| 15:48.50 | Nikolay_gprsbeer | Whene I attempt to start apache, I got "segmentation fault". WTH? Apache is last into Sarge - apache_1.3.27.0-2_i386.deb (also segfault generate and apache_1.3.27.0-1_i386.deb) :o((( |
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| 15:50.19 | Nikolay_gprsbeer | How I can start apache? |
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| 15:50.49 | TTT | hi, does anyone here run RTCW-ET? I have some problems with sound |
| 15:50.55 | zinx | ja |
| 15:50.59 | asg | Nikolay_gprsbeer: first, check the bts for outstanding issues. Then perhaps use strace to check where apache segfaults |
| 15:51.08 | TTT | i use ALSA-OSS emulation, and rtcw-et says 'cannot mmap /dev/sound/dsp' |
| 15:51.19 | TTT | i wonder if it works with alsa OSS emulation at all |
| 15:51.28 | zinx | what version of ALSA? |
| 15:51.30 | zinx | it does |
| 15:51.33 | TTT | maybe it can use alsa directly? how? |
| 15:51.35 | zinx | i'm using alsa's oss emulation too |
| 15:51.36 | TTT | new one |
| 15:51.37 | TTT | 1 sec |
| 15:51.38 | zinx | TTT: it can't |
| 15:51.45 | Havok_ | asg: thanks for the help everything works OK now, I wonder how it go set up on stable sources though. |
| 15:52.02 | asg | Havok_: if you are running testing, you don't need stable sources |
| 15:52.04 | TTT | mm, 2.6.0 kernel, alsa-libraries i'll check in 1 sec. debian-sid |
| 15:52.07 | zinx | TTT: there was a bug fixed in the CVS tree at some point that made opening playback-only channels read/write work |
| 15:52.16 | zinx | oh |
| 15:52.26 | zinx | it made it in to 2.6.0-test9, so you should have the fix |
| 15:52.49 | zinx | TTT: which sound card? |
| 15:52.50 | TTT | Version: 0.9.8-2 |
| 15:53.02 | TTT | Herculess Gamesound fortissimo III |
| 15:53.06 | zinx | TTT: it's possible your sound card still doesn't have support for mmap'd IO, which could be problematic :/ |
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| 15:53.12 | TTT | aaah |
| 15:53.20 | zinx | TTT: you won't get sound if that's the case |
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| 15:53.28 | TTT | snd_cs46xx |
| 15:53.40 | zinx | that one should do mmap'd IO |
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| 15:53.47 | TTT | can I check it somehow? |
| 15:53.51 | TTT | if it does or not? |
| 15:54.01 | zinx | TTT: do you have write access to /dev/sound/dsp? |
| 15:54.05 | TTT | yes |
| 15:54.07 | zinx | hmm |
| 15:54.10 | TTT | all other apps are fine |
| 15:54.14 | zinx | TTT: do you have q3? |
| 15:54.18 | TTT | xmms-oss, xmms-alsa |
| 15:54.19 | TTT | no |
| 15:54.26 | Serialkiller | i have via p4x400 and i am using debian , i have a ata patch for redhat for my kernel version, if its from redaht will it hose my kernel? |
| 15:54.33 | zinx | TTT: try enabling mmap mode with xmms-alsa |
| 15:54.38 | zinx | it may fall back though |
| 15:54.55 | TTT | zinx: i just managed to get 3d support working for my radeon 7500 during christmas :) |
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| 15:55.02 | asg | Serialkiller: not unless it conflicts with an other patches you use (or debian uses if you are using debian kernel sources) |
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| 15:55.29 | zinx | TTT: :) |
| 15:55.32 | TTT | zinx: xmms-alsa with mmap seems fine :\ |
| 15:55.33 | asg | Alema0: that's not nice and is generally frowned upon in here |
| 15:55.49 | Serialkiller | asg : i am not using a precomiled kernel, and have not patched its source yet |
| 15:55.50 | zinx | TTT: hmmm... strace -o et-strace.log -f ./et.x86 |
| 15:55.59 | zinx | TTT: and, send it ;) |
| 15:56.03 | asg | Serialkiller: then you should be fine |
| 15:56.07 | Serialkiller | ok |
| 15:56.11 | Serialkiller | asg : thanks |
| 15:56.15 | asg | Serialkiller: you're welcome |
| 15:56.43 | TTT | zinx: ok, i didn't think about stracing myself :\ on my way |
| 15:56.50 | TTT | btw, tuxracer works fine too :) |
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| 15:57.14 | zinx | TTT: yeah, most stuff doesn't use mmap'd IO for audio, only id games do, and they provide no alternatives to it |
| 15:57.17 | Nikolay_gprsbeer | asg: What is "bts"? Segfault generate after <<read(4, " \'lib\').\n #\n\n (my $calldir"..., 4096) = 841 llseek(4, 4936, [4936], SEEK_SET) = 0 llseek(4, 0, [4936], SEEK_CUR) = 0 close(4) --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --->> |
| 15:57.19 | asg | ~tell xLobox about root |
| 15:57.29 | asg | Nikolay_gprsbeer: our bug tracking system |
| 15:57.32 | zinx | TTT: some of that in the later games is TTimo's fault, if you want someone to blame :P |
| 15:58.10 | TTT | zinx: blaming someone doesn't usually help in any way :) |
| 15:58.15 | asg | Nikolay_gprsbeer: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:58.32 | TTT | ok, i got the trace, 2.8 mb :\ |
| 15:58.42 | zinx | bzip2 it, it'll compress quite well |
| 15:58.59 | TTT | yup, found it. |
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| 15:59.09 | TTT | opens /dev/dsp, does some ioctls on it |
| 15:59.13 | TTT | then mmap2, and failure |
| 15:59.15 | SuperLag | mwilson: you around? |
| 15:59.43 | asg | SuperLag: he's been idle for 10 hours or so |
| 15:59.52 | zinx | TTT: need it myself to help :/ |
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| 16:00.07 | SuperLag | asg: thanks man |
| 16:00.12 | asg | SuperLag: you're welcome |
| 16:00.18 | TTT | no need, mmap2 fails, i'll go see the driver/google up something to see if it must be supported |
| 16:00.20 | asg | SuperLag: I'm sure he'll be around later though |
| 16:00.28 | zinx | TTT: well, have it your way :) |
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| 16:01.03 | Elmchen | hello |
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| 16:01.12 | asg | hiya |
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| 16:04.01 | systems | debian is evil |
| 16:04.11 | hellish | why exactly? |
| 16:05.01 | JimButton | hellish: ignore the trolls... |
| 16:05.08 | asg | systems: this isn't the fox news phone in opinion-without-facts channel |
| 16:05.14 | Nikolay_gprsbeer | systems: You are right... And "LIVE - EVIL" also, you know... |
| 16:05.31 | asg | Nikolay_gprsbeer: a great album by Black Sabbath no less |
| 16:05.53 | Lathiat | hi guys is ACPI included ind ebian default kernels? if so how can i load it? i can only see like the individual modules for fan/ac etc and no /proc/acpi exists |
| 16:05.54 | streuner | asg: no |
| 16:06.14 | JimButton | asg: yes, it is! |
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| 16:06.19 | streuner | asg: live - evil is the worst album i ever heard :-) |
| 16:06.25 | streuner | asg: from BS |
| 16:06.26 | asg | streuner: Ronnie James Dio ;) |
| 16:06.29 | JimButton | asg: the no-fact-zone! |
| 16:06.38 | intero | Lathiat: only 2.6.0-testX |
| 16:06.46 | asg | JimButton: isn't that a weight reduction pill? |
| 16:06.48 | JimButton | :) |
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| 16:07.02 | intero | Lathiat: you need to patch a 2.4 otherwise |
| 16:07.04 | Lathiat | ahh ok |
| 16:07.07 | JimButton | asg: it is the daily show parody of o'reilly :) |
| 16:07.10 | Lathiat | effort damnit hrm |
| 16:07.24 | asg | JimButton: ahhh, with Moe Rocka as Bill? |
| 16:07.43 | JimButton | asg: i think steven colbert or such :) |
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| 16:08.02 | JimButton | asg: o'reilly is such a jerk, i can't believe he is so popular |
| 16:08.13 | systems | oreilly who |
| 16:08.18 | trovador | anyone here use "mailliststat"? |
| 16:08.20 | JimButton | bill o'reilly |
| 16:08.24 | systems | fox news |
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| 16:08.31 | streuner | JimButton: don't forget, the books are just fine |
| 16:08.39 | systems | fox news is lame |
| 16:08.42 | asg | JimButton: :) |
| 16:08.43 | systems | lame i tell you |
| 16:08.44 | JimButton | streuner: i haven't read them, but that can't be true |
| 16:09.05 | asg | JimButton: he meant the oreilly computer books |
| 16:09.09 | JimButton | aah :) |
| 16:09.11 | JimButton | ok |
| 16:09.14 | JimButton | yes, agreed :) |
| 16:09.15 | TTT | zinx: i got it working, i compiled non-alsa sound support module into my kernel and it works |
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| 16:09.25 | JimButton | not something like "who's looking out for you?" :) |
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| 16:09.50 | TTT | zinx: now what exactly is broken with alsa, i don't know. I looked over the driver quickly, and found something like mmap support is optional or something |
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| 16:09.55 | TTT | maybe it is just disabled :\ |
| 16:09.56 | coolnewbie | how do add usb support to my kernel i use debian sarge |
| 16:10.03 | TTT | anyway, it doesn't matter now |
| 16:10.11 | JimButton | coolnewbie: if you use a stock debian kernel, it probably already has it |
| 16:10.21 | JimButton | coolnewbie: do modconf and choose the USB modules |
| 16:10.29 | TTT | coolnewbie: imho you'll need hotplug package |
| 16:10.57 | JimButton | USB usually works fine without the hotplug package (at least for mice and keyboards here) |
| 16:11.12 | TTT | maybe |
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| 16:11.26 | coolnewbie | TTT:i tried to install and it showed tjat usb support was not installed |
| 16:11.41 | TTT | coolnewbie: insmod something maybe? |
| 16:11.43 | zinx | USB always works fine without the hotplug package... you just need to make sure the correct modules are loaded ;) |
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| 16:12.16 | streuner | what does this mean: IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [date] " CONNECT xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx HTPP/1.0" 405 300 "-" "-" ? |
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| 16:12.35 | ToreSB | Hello, there! |
| 16:12.49 | JimButton | TTT: as i told him, on debian there is modconf for this |
| 16:12.50 | asg | streuner: a worm most likely trying to exploit an old CONNECT bug |
| 16:12.56 | PapyRene | which portable brand should I use for a debian distro wireless connection? |
| 16:13.06 | JimButton | coolnewbie: start modconf and look for USB modules to load |
| 16:13.07 | zinx | mmmmm HTPP |
| 16:13.20 | streuner | asg: interesting :-) |
| 16:13.29 | JimButton | PapyRene: an apple ibook :) |
| 16:13.32 | zinx | asg: more likely, it's freenode's proxy detection |
| 16:13.39 | JimButton | PapyRene: with airport |
| 16:13.42 | streuner | asg: did it have success? |
| 16:13.49 | asg | zinx: ah, true |
| 16:14.02 | asg | streuner: no, 405 is an error |
| 16:14.22 | PapyRene | JimButton: and the ibm compatible pc's? |
| 16:14.30 | JimButton | PapyRene: i don't know, sorry |
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| 16:14.47 | coolnewbie | JimButton:there are two modules kernel/driver/usb and kernel/driver/usb/host which one should i load |
| 16:14.57 | ToreSB | Well, that's the first time test9 has crashed |
| 16:14.59 | JimButton | coolnewbie: these are directories |
| 16:15.06 | JimButton | coolnewbie: look in the first one |
| 16:15.11 | cem | whats the exact path of kernel source if its installed via orginal linux cd ? |
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| 16:15.22 | JimButton | coolnewbie: kernel/driver/usb should contain all relevant modules, i think |
| 16:15.39 | coolnewbie | JimButton:let me try |
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| 16:15.52 | asg | cem: should be /usr/src/linux (a symlink to /usr/src/kernel-source* or somesuch) |
| 16:16.19 | coolnewbie | JimButton:there is one for scanner should i use that |
| 16:16.33 | Nikolay_gprsbeer | Yep. I found my (may be) bug into http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=225287 . OK. And what I can doing NOW for using apache? |
| 16:16.35 | JimButton | coolnewbie: if you have a USB scanner, yes... |
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| 16:17.01 | tony_wt | On my gateway/workstation my es1371 onboard sound is sharing irq9 with my pci ethernet card should I try to change it? |
| 16:17.03 | asg | Nikolay_gprsbeer: did the bug report provide a work around? |
| 16:17.08 | coolnewbie | JimButton:thanks |
| 16:17.15 | JimButton | coolnewbie: there should be more though |
| 16:17.20 | nwo | how can I view the masqueraded connections? |
| 16:17.34 | coolnewbie | JimButton:yes all that i needed |
| 16:17.49 | JimButton | coolnewbie: cool, check it and see if it loads ok |
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| 16:18.10 | Nikolay_gprsbeer | asg: Yes. |
| 16:18.15 | asg | Nikolay_gprsbeer: ah, it is a recent report. You'll have to wait until it is resolved. You could also get the previous working debs from the archive at snapshot.debian.net |
| 16:18.20 | JimButton | coolnewbie: the good thing about modconf is, the next time you boot it will be loaded automatically |
| 16:18.35 | ToreSB | Why can't I upgrade my kernel? |
| 16:18.44 | ToreSB | test9 has given me a crash! :O |
| 16:18.51 | JimButton | ToreSB: maybe it is buggy? |
| 16:18.51 | Nikolay_gprsbeer | asg: I to attempt. Thanks. |
| 16:18.59 | asg | Nikolay_gprsbeer: you're welcome |
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| 16:19.45 | streuner | asg: does this change anything from your previous answer: IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [date] " POST http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx HTPP/1.0" 405 297 "-" "-" ? |
| 16:20.17 | coolnewbie | JimButton:once loaded can i unload a module when needed |
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| 16:20.30 | JimButton | coolnewbie: yes, you can |
| 16:20.35 | asg | streuner: zinx was probably right about it being a proxy detect from freenode. Does the 'IP' correspond to freenode? |
| 16:20.37 | zinx | TTT: if you'd send me the strace output, i might be able to work around it somehow |
| 16:20.42 | JimButton | coolnewbie: but why would you? i would only do it if it acts strangely |
| 16:20.49 | streuner | asg: no |
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| 16:21.12 | ToreSB | JimButton: Well, you're joking? :) |
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| 16:27.18 | JimButton | coolnewbie: yes, sure, you can also remove it with modconf again |
| 16:27.18 | ToreSB | My problem is that I can't get the "stable" version |
| 16:27.18 | Knewbie_One_Kene | hi all...I just want to know if, after I apt-get installed the kernel patchs (2.4.22-1 to 2.4.22-5) make-kpkg will integrate them in the new kernel build on its own or is there additional/specific steps to patch the kernel ? |
| 16:27.18 | coolnewbie | JimButton:thanks |
| 16:27.18 | JimButton | coolnewbie: which means "unload it now, and don't load it the next time i boot" |
| 16:27.18 | synic | is there any way to install gnome 1.4 in parallel to gnome 2? |
| 16:27.18 | mage | no |
| 16:27.18 | asg | streuner: hmmm, what IP is it coming from? |
| 16:27.18 | coolnewbie | JimButton:one more question is knoppix==testing |
| 16:27.19 | JimButton | coolnewbie: no, knoppix is not debian |
| 16:27.19 | mage | knoppix==shit. |
| 16:27.19 | JimButton | coolnewbie: it is based on debian |
| 16:27.19 | JimButton | coolnewbie: but otherwise independent |
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| 16:27.19 | JimButton | mage: please refrain from pointless insults |
| 16:27.19 | streuner | asg: New Edge Service is the ISP |
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| 16:27.20 | mage | ;\ |
| 16:27.20 | JimButton | mage: :) |
| 16:27.20 | ToreSB | mage: bs |
| 16:27.20 | asg | streuner: are you seeing a lot of connects of this type or just these two? |
| 16:27.20 | syamajala | how come the links on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ don't work |
| 16:27.20 | mage | bs ? |
| 16:27.20 | asg | !+bs |
| 16:27.20 | dpkg | from memory, bs is Bullshit. Bahamas, or an annoying pain in the ass, so be smart: /ignore bs |
| 16:27.20 | JimButton | bullshit |
| 16:27.20 | ToreSB | mage: That comparison returns zero. And it screws up your box. |
| 16:27.20 | ToreSB | I refuse to ignore the Bahamas. |
| 16:27.20 | streuner | asg: it's coming almost 6-10 hrs. again only onces. |
| 16:27.20 | mage | lol |
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| 16:27.20 | asg | streuner: then it might be a worm. I wouldn't worry about it too much |
| 16:27.20 | syamajala | is there any other way i can get the mini-cd |
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| 16:27.24 | streuner | asg: i woudn't but that's an ISP, you got not too much infos about... ;-) |
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| 16:27.58 | asg | streuner: well, you could mail their abuse address and ask what the hell is going on |
| 16:28.19 | streuner | asg: that's the thing, there isn't anyone... |
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| 16:28.40 | asg | streuner: non contact info on their website? |
| 16:28.55 | streuner | asg: nothing, at all in /whois |
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| 16:29.19 | asg | streuner: hmmm. You could drop all packets via ip{chains,tables} |
| 16:29.36 | streuner | asg: good idea |
| 16:30.42 | iceman | what happened to vice? |
| 16:31.02 | Alema0 | agney: |
| 16:31.02 | Alema0 | debian:/home/Alema0/xchat-2.0.6# auto-apt update |
| 16:31.02 | Alema0 | wufei: Unsupported apt-line: cdrom, ignored |
| 16:31.02 | Alema0 | Downloading http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian//dists/stable Contents-i386.gz ... |
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| 16:31.35 | agney | flooders |
| 16:32.23 | mage | no, lamer. |
| 16:32.42 | ToreSB | GAH |
| 16:32.53 | ToreSB | How come I can't install 2.6.0? |
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| 16:33.10 | mage | explain "I can't" ? |
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| 16:33.39 | ToreSB | Well, if I do upgrade kernel-image-2.6 it just tells me that "solfege" was held back |
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| 16:34.10 | mage | mmh I don't use kernel-image.. |
| 16:34.19 | ToreSB | If I do install kernel-image-2.6 it tells me that kernel-image-2.6.0-test9-1-386 is already the newest version |
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| 16:36.31 | ToreSB | Anyone know what it might be? |
| 16:37.09 | revengeslayer | hi, when launching 'mpg123 file.mp3', through what device will the sound being heard? /dev/dsp or so? because i have a AC97 integrated soundcard and compiled it, and want to know how to let hear the sound with mpg123 through this device.. |
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| 16:38.00 | analyzer | hi. what package contains the smbmount program? i tried mount -t smbfs \\\\host\\share /mnt, but it says wrong fs type, bad option, ... :/ the manpage says i need to give a binary argument using smbmount |
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| 16:38.47 | ToreSB | analyzer: What I do is mount -t smbfs //lisp/mp3 /mp3 |
| 16:38.59 | ToreSB | analyzer: What I do is mount -t smbfs -o guest //lisp/mp3 /mp3 |
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| 16:39.15 | analyzer | hmm.. wait, let me try :) (thx) |
| 16:39.35 | analyzer | same error :/ |
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| 16:39.50 | ToreSB | That's odd. |
| 16:40.06 | analyzer | humm |
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| 16:40.10 | ToreSB | I believe you have to apt-get some stuff |
| 16:40.17 | ToreSB | smbsomething, I think |
| 16:40.26 | chamaeleo | hya, which driver should i load in modconf for a realtek 8029 ethernet card? |
| 16:40.29 | analyzer | smbfs :/ and its already loaded |
| 16:41.30 | ToreSB | analyzer: That's odd - my knowledge stops there, really :( |
| 16:41.38 | ToreSB | analyzer: Good luck further on :) |
| 16:41.55 | analyzer | ok, thanks anyway :) |
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| 16:42.26 | streuner | chamaeleo: ne2k-pci |
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| 16:42.36 | chamaeleo | streuner, cheers |
| 16:42.47 | ToreSB | analyzer: I tried :) |
| 16:42.52 | netbrain | is there a debian package containing arial, times new roman etc. true type fonts? |
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| 16:45.04 | streuner | !listkeys fonts |
| 16:45.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'fonts' by key (15 shown; 21 total): fonts ;; xfonts-problem ;; openoffice fonts #DEL# ;; neat fonts ;; msttcorefonts ;; xfonts #DEL# ;; msttcorefonts #DEL# ;; big fonts ;; boxes instead of fonts ;; xfonts ;; get msttcorefonts ;; ttfonts ;; update-fonts-scale ;; ansi fonts ;; ooo fonts. |
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| 16:45.21 | streuner | !msttcorefonts |
| 16:45.22 | dpkg | msttcorefonts is probably package to install MSFT core TrueType fonts. http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ for font *.EXEs, unpack with cabextract. Install the 'x-ttcidfont-conf' package, and add this FontPath line to your XF86Config-4 file in the "Files" section: 'FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"'. then 'xset fp rehash' |
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| 16:47.29 | intero | how can i check my cpu temp? |
| 16:47.42 | streuner | intero: libsensors |
| 16:47.54 | hanasaki | how do i find what package has a specific command? |
| 16:47.55 | Kraig | or put your hand near it |
| 16:48.08 | streuner | intero: if you mobo support that feature... |
| 16:48.13 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 16:48.20 | azreal | what is the name of a portscan package? |
| 16:48.31 | Kraig | nmap |
| 16:48.31 | intero | streuner: which apps does read it? |
| 16:48.41 | azreal | thanx |
| 16:48.47 | streuner | intereo: a bunch, gkrellm |
| 16:48.52 | Kraig | azreal apt-cache search port |
| 16:48.54 | Serialkiller | asg : you around? |
| 16:48.54 | iceman | x64 whines: "Keyboard: Error - Cannot load keymap `x11_sym.vkm'." and I can't use my keyboard. Any ideas? |
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| 16:49.03 | hanasaki | portmap? portsentry |
| 16:49.08 | streuner | Serialkiller: lunch |
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| 16:50.04 | Serialkiller | streuner: hey i am trying to patch my kernel with this redghat patch, and all hunks are failing.. its from my ata133 support.. can ya lend a hand? |
| 16:50.24 | intero | streuner: dmesg sayswmsensors: numerical sysctl 7 2 1 is obsolete. |
| 16:50.36 | hanasaki | pciutils 1:2.1.11-6 newer than version in archive <== what does this mean? |
| 16:50.54 | streuner | intero: i have no experience at all, my mobo doesn't support it... |
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| 16:51.16 | intero | streuner: thanks |
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| 16:52.26 | streuner | Serialkiller: what should be so hard to patch a kernel? if you have an patch you run it in the path where your sources is. |
| 16:52.38 | streuner | !patch |
| 16:52.39 | dpkg | somebody said patch was just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1' |
| 16:52.56 | Serialkiller | streuner: yea i knwo but its failing |
| 16:52.58 | Serialkiller | lol |
| 16:53.12 | streuner | Serialkiller: use the one without compression... |
| 16:53.35 | Serialkiller | streuner: ? its not compressed |
| 16:53.39 | streuner | patch -p1 < patch.diff |
| 16:54.15 | Serialkiller | streuner: from the src dir? |
| 16:54.18 | streuner | ok, delete the whole folder and extract the sources again |
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| 16:55.11 | streuner | Serialkiller: then you copy the patch into the src-dir and use the patch-command again |
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| 16:55.18 | Serialkiller | streuner: Hunk #1 FAILED at 1. |
| 16:55.18 | Serialkiller | Hunk #2 FAILED at 74. |
| 16:55.18 | Serialkiller | Hunk #3 FAILED at 138. |
| 16:55.18 | Serialkiller | Hunk #4 FAILED at 146. |
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| 16:56.08 | Skynexx | anyone know where to find the ndbm.h on a debian ? |
| 16:56.24 | streuner | Skynexx: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:56.30 | Joona--- | I still have problems with my USB mouse. Xserver says unable to open /dev/gpmdata and /dev/input/mice (no such file or directory). I've configured the mouse to use /dev/gpmdata and ImPS/2 protocol. |
| 16:56.30 | streuner | !find ndbm.h |
| 16:56.34 | Joona--- | I use the usbmgr |
| 16:56.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ndbm.h' (3 shown): (/usr/include/oskit/freebsd/ndbm.h) in devel/oskit ;; (/usr/include/gdbm-ndbm.h) in libdevel/libgdbm-dev ;; (/usr/lib/TenDRA/lib/include/unix95.api/ndbm.h) in devel/tendra. |
| 16:56.40 | Nikolay_gprsbeer | Skynexx: May be apt-file known? |
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| 16:56.50 | Serialkiller | opps |
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| 16:57.04 | Joona--- | It says "unable to initialize core pointer" |
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| 16:57.15 | Knewbie_One_Kene | <Joona---, did u rmove /dev/input/mice from Xfree86config ? |
| 16:57.15 | chamaeleo | does anyone know why my kernel connects to the internet through eth1 rather than eth0? |
| 16:57.26 | Joona--- | Knewbie_One_Kene? |
| 16:57.28 | Serialkiller | streuner: i think the patch is trying to patch the wrong lines |
| 16:57.40 | Knewbie_One_Kene | Knewbie_One_Kenewbie 8) |
| 16:58.21 | Joona--- | it doesn't ask anything about /dev/input/mice and I haven't seen that directory anywhere but in the error message |
| 16:58.24 | Knewbie_One_Kene | in the XFree86 config file, there is always a n entry to /dev/input/mice.... check /etc/Xfree something |
| 16:58.41 | Knewbie_One_Kene | and remove that entry in the config file |
| 16:58.45 | Joona--- | How do I open that file? and edit it? |
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| 16:58.49 | Knewbie_One_Kene | yep |
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| 16:59.17 | Joona--- | the file is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 16:59.31 | Knewbie_One_Kene | take your time to read a bit before, make a copy of the actual "almost working" one and retry |
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| 16:59.56 | Joona--- | What's the command to edit a file? |
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| 17:00.17 | Knewbie_One_Kene | you will see that Xfree always tries to load a "default" mice and put 2 proposals, yours, and the defaulr |
| 17:00.26 | Knewbie_One_Kene | under X or CLI ? |
| 17:00.34 | Joona--- | CLI? |
| 17:00.37 | Knewbie_One_Kene | nano or pico work best for me |
| 17:00.45 | Knewbie_One_Kene | Command Line Interface |
| 17:00.47 | Joona--- | I've already found out it tries to load the def mice |
| 17:00.55 | Joona--- | CLI |
| 17:01.09 | Knewbie_One_Kene | if you are under gnome or kde, anything will do |
| 17:01.32 | Joona--- | ? |
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| 17:01.54 | ElJotaF | Hi, I'm almost new to linux. I've been using redhat for a while and now I want to install debian. I would like to have both in the same disk. How do I repartition the disk from within linux (I would like to keep my data, though I already did a backup) |
| 17:02.06 | Knewbie_One_Kene | orpen a shell, type "nano /where you config file is/ and edit. |
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| 17:02.09 | Knewbie_One_Kene | or use Midnight Commander |
| 17:02.12 | Joona--- | so I just need to remove the default mouse from the config file? |
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| 17:02.23 | Joona--- | ok, nano's what I wanted to know :) |
| 17:02.24 | Knewbie_One_Kene | almost 8) |
| 17:02.43 | Joona--- | ok I'll go try |
| 17:03.07 | streuner | ElJotaF: /msg dpkg ig |
| 17:03.14 | Knewbie_One_Kene | in the config, it tries to load both mouses... remove the one not concerning you, should be at the end of the conf file |
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| 17:06.22 | hanasaki | whre is the courier imap config? i found /etc/courier but cant find the place to change the maildir directory from ~/Maildir |
| 17:07.21 | Sebulba02 | hanasaki: I had to change mine in my exim config |
| 17:07.54 | gothtec | "Windows has detected that you moved your mouse. Your computer will now restart for the changes to take effect." |
| 17:07.59 | fatal__ | hanasaki: afaik the authdaemon handles the homedir/maildir.... |
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| 17:08.04 | gothtec | I am so sick of helping windows users with their problems |
| 17:08.08 | jnagyjr | Hey guys, how do you set up a directory on Linux to be shareable via SMB and then map it from within Windows? |
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| 17:08.27 | fatal__ | hanasaki: which authmodule are you using? |
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| 17:08.36 | hanasaki | pam |
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| 17:09.20 | hanasaki | Seb thanks.. i have it in exix4 ok.. just need to change it in couier so i can do multiple domains where the name/id may not have a login |
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| 17:09.51 | Sebulba02 | hanasaki: ahh |
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| 17:10.51 | hanasaki | fatal__: hmm where can this be changed for the authdeamon pls? |
| 17:10.53 | fatal__ | hanasaki: it seems like you cannot change it with authpam |
| 17:11.06 | hanasaki | @#$@#$@! |
| 17:11.14 | seaLne_ | hi i was wondering if there is anywhere you can get the new debian installer cd? since you can't get it from gluck |
| 17:11.22 | hanasaki | fatal__: hmm what are you authing w/? |
| 17:11.37 | fatal__ | hanasaki: I'm using the mysql auth plugin. |
| 17:11.47 | hanasaki | ah.. i was thinking of using ldap |
| 17:11.54 | hanasaki | how do you change it w/ msql? |
| 17:12.15 | tam | is -incremental the best flag to run with John? |
| 17:12.33 | fatal__ | hanasaki: /etc/courier/authmysqlrc has a setting for which field in the database that contains the homedir ... (or you can alternatively set the maildir directly) |
| 17:12.51 | hanasaki | set it direcly? how? |
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| 17:13.15 | fatal__ | hanasaki: # MYSQL_MAILDIR_FIELD maildir |
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| 17:13.34 | hanasaki | fatal__: what couier are you using from what ver of debian |
| 17:13.40 | fatal__ | hanasaki: you need to install (and ofcourse: use) the mysql authdaemon plugin. |
| 17:14.05 | fatal__ | hanasaki: package courier-authmysql |
| 17:14.28 | fatal__ | hanasaki: apt-cache search courier-auth |
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| 17:15.15 | hanasaki | ah |
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| 17:16.06 | gothtec | wtf? My phone has saved a list of "unsaved numbers"... I hate self-contradictions. |
| 17:16.32 | xenohugs | omg lol wtf |
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| 17:17.01 | rsd | hi |
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| 17:17.13 | rsd | is there a terminal emulator for X that supports transparency and anti-aliased fonts? gnome-terminal is too slow for me |
| 17:17.33 | hanasaki | hmmm look slike ldap has better support than pam for homedir |
| 17:17.42 | hanasaki | you using md5 passwords? |
| 17:17.48 | gothtec | every damn number I haven't saved is in that list |
| 17:17.52 | gothtec | hmm.. |
| 17:18.03 | billyoc | lol, guess it's true then. |
| 17:18.26 | linuxfreck | rsd: aterm? but transparency is just slow |
| 17:18.31 | hanasaki | fatal__: ? |
| 17:18.39 | rsd | linuxfreck: it does anti-aliasing? |
| 17:18.44 | maru | rsd: transparency + AA fonts sloooow |
| 17:18.54 | linuxfreck | rsd: don't know, I don't use it myself |
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| 17:19.07 | hanasaki | anyhone have spam filtering installed on exim4 ? |
| 17:19.09 | hanasaki | i need a hand |
| 17:19.10 | maru | rsd: aterm has no aa fonts |
| 17:20.15 | Sebulba02 | hanasaki: I had found a few sights that integrated spamassassin and exim4, just look on google. |
| 17:20.19 | Sebulba02 | sites* |
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| 17:20.55 | hanasaki | Sebulba02: thanks.. i have.. i will look again |
| 17:21.35 | Sebulba02 | hanasaki: just make sure you read it carefully or make sure you specify exim4, the configs for exim3 are a lot different as I found out. |
| 17:21.45 | rsd | ah |
| 17:22.55 | _pragma | xiniman |
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| 17:23.01 | hanasaki | ya i did find that out :( its working now with clamv and amamvis-new .. i am suing smtp not mta specific stuff. just cant figure out how to get amam-vs to call spamass |
| 17:23.23 | Sebulba02 | hmm |
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| 17:24.13 | Joona--- | Knewbie_One_Kenes, the problem is I don't have /dev/gpmdata where it's trying to find the mouse |
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| 17:25.27 | ufk | is there a nice gui to easily create mysql tables/ |
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| 17:27.45 | Joona--- | How do I get my usb mouse work? It says unable to find device /dev/gpmdata (no such file or drectory). I'vechosen that wit the xserver configuration program |
| 17:27.46 | Serialkiller | what is a good avi; mpeg player for linux? |
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| 17:28.02 | gothtec | hm.. this phone really is strange. I can save numbers as home, cell phone or work numbers. When I try to send an SMS, it defaults to a persons home number. How many in here recieve text messages on their home telephones? |
| 17:28.03 | Joona--- | the conf program itself has the option /dev/gpmdata |
| 17:28.06 | hanasaki | bbl |
| 17:28.16 | Joona--- | gothtec, no one |
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| 17:28.26 | Sebulba02 | Serialkiller: mplayer plays almost anything |
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| 17:28.37 | Hiroshige | Hi! |
| 17:28.52 | Serialkiller | is mplayer in woody or sarge? |
| 17:28.52 | maru | Joona---: Use /dev/input/mice |
| 17:29.17 | Joona--- | That I have but it still says no such file or directory even if I try /dev/input/mice |
| 17:29.35 | Joona--- | I understood that with usb mouse you need to use /dev/gpmdata |
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| 17:29.45 | chris` | mplayer isn't in apt unless you add the marillat sources |
| 17:30.11 | Serialkiller | chris` : whats that source |
| 17:30.21 | gothtec | www.apt-get.org |
| 17:30.24 | gothtec | BOOKMARK IT |
| 17:30.29 | Joona--- | "ImPS/2 and /dev/gpmdata for X" |
| 17:30.30 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 17:30.44 | sile | xine is also a working player |
| 17:30.44 | Serialkiller | thanks gothtec : ) |
| 17:30.55 | Serialkiller | apt in xine now |
| 17:30.56 | | Serialkiller: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 17:30.56 | gothtec | np :) |
| 17:31.09 | gothtec | apt in xine? xine in apt, I guess |
| 17:31.11 | | bugger all, i dunno, gothtec |
| 17:31.27 | gothtec | apt, moo |
| 17:31.28 | | gothtec: no idea |
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| 17:31.33 | gothtec | bah |
| 17:31.40 | gothtec | used to be a "moo" factiod |
| 17:31.45 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 17:31.56 | gothtec | hm.. think I have it here somewhere |
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| 17:33.00 | Joona--- | maru, I have the /dev/input/mice but it cannot find it.. |
| 17:33.13 | gothtec | apt, moo is <reply> I am a cow, hear me moo. I eat grass and weigh twice as much as you. |
| 17:33.16 | | ACTION moos at is <reply> I am a cow, hear me moo. I eat grass and weigh twice as much as you. |
| 17:33.16 | gothtec | found it :D |
| 17:33.19 | maru | Joona---: usb support compiled as modules? |
| 17:33.25 | Joona--- | usbmgr installed |
| 17:33.33 | gothtec | hm.. |
| 17:33.35 | synic|home | how do you set up what sensible-browser launches? |
| 17:33.49 | maru | Joona--- : mousedev module installed? |
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| 17:33.56 | Joona--- | err... |
| 17:34.07 | maru | s/installed/loaded/ |
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| 17:34.17 | Joona--- | I don't know. if it's not autom. installed, then not |
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| 17:34.23 | deadchip | is ximian OO available for Sid anywhere? |
| 17:34.29 | maru | Joona--- Are you in X right now? |
| 17:34.33 | Joona--- | How do I install mousedev module? |
| 17:34.33 | Joona--- | maru, no XP |
| 17:34.45 | Joona--- | need to reboot to start debian :P |
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| 17:35.03 | gothtec | ~moo |
| 17:35.15 | maru | Joona---: It would be easier for me to help if youd run linux |
| 17:35.16 | maru | ;) |
| 17:35.25 | Sebulba02 | apt: moo gothtec |
| 17:35.31 | | ACTION moos at gothtec |
| 17:35.31 | deadchip | no Ximian OO for Sid? :\ |
| 17:35.37 | Joona--- | probably, but it's a little hard to run to os's at the same time ;) |
| 17:35.39 | TonyStark | good evening |
| 17:35.43 | Joona--- | to = two |
| 17:35.46 | TonyStark | i'm habing trouble with perl |
| 17:35.59 | TonyStark | my apt-get or dselect doesn't work with some pdeb's |
| 17:36.05 | TonyStark | and i even cannot deinstallete them |
| 17:36.13 | gothtec | hm.. did they change how you add factoids or something? |
| 17:36.21 | caphuso | gothtec: no |
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| 17:36.45 | kyll | anyone know if vsftpd support tls? |
| 17:36.47 | caphuso | gothtec: there's a "cmd: moo (.*?)" factoid that makes your "moo" factoid impossible to call |
| 17:37.00 | Joona--- | maru, can you tell me how you install the mousedev module? |
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| 17:37.23 | maru | Joona---: just boot linux start irc and come back |
| 17:37.24 | gothtec | caphuso: ah. thanks. |
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| 17:38.02 | gothtec | ~cow |
| 17:38.03 | | I am a cow, hear me moo. I eat grass and weigh twice as much as you. |
| 17:38.03 | Joona--- | I can't start irc in linux |
| 17:38.08 | gothtec | yay |
| 17:38.13 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 17:38.14 | Joona--- | I can't do anything in linux |
| 17:38.21 | Joona--- | I can only get the console work :P |
| 17:38.31 | maru | Joona---: you can irc from the console, |
| 17:38.32 | initech | caphuso: access to apt's moo invocation should be limited |
| 17:38.34 | Joona--- | gdm doesn't work because of the mouse |
| 17:38.40 | caphuso | initech: huh? |
| 17:38.46 | initech | caphuso: just being silly |
| 17:38.49 | woodrag | my ext3fs hd looks crashed... trying e2fsck on it says:Group descriptors look bad... trying backup blocks... |
| 17:38.54 | gothtec | løl |
| 17:39.02 | woodrag | is there a way to recoverthe data on the disk??? |
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| 17:39.49 | caphuso | ~tell Hiroshige about away |
| 17:40.01 | caphuso | oh damnit |
| 17:40.10 | initech | woodrag: recover may help |
| 17:40.10 | caphuso | who TF is that tim riker moron? |
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| 17:40.24 | maru | caphuso why? |
| 17:40.24 | woodrag | initech: recover? |
| 17:40.28 | Joona--- | could someone tell me how to install mousedev module? |
| 17:40.36 | initech | woodrag: man recover |
| 17:40.36 | caphuso | maru: /whois apt |
| 17:40.38 | Ripped | There a good way via Synaptic/deselct to DOWNGRADE en masse from something like X 4.3.0 (experiemental) to X 4.2.1 (unstable) without going through and selecting every package? |
| 17:40.45 | initech | woodrag: it's extX right? |
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| 17:41.11 | woodrag | initech: ext3fs! |
| 17:41.16 | flan | hey guys |
| 17:41.21 | maru | Joona---: modprobe mousedev |
| 17:41.26 | initech | woodrag: well try "recover" |
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| 17:41.38 | woodrag | initech: im running knoppix right now |
| 17:41.44 | caphuso | recover doesn't work on ext3 |
| 17:41.48 | Joona--- | maru, thank you := |
| 17:41.50 | Joona--- | :) |
| 17:41.58 | woodrag | initech: it doest supply recover!;-(( |
| 17:42.03 | Ripped | woodrag: read the topic =P |
| 17:42.03 | initech | caphuso: didn't know that. shit. |
| 17:42.07 | initech | oh well |
| 17:42.30 | caphuso | why would you know? it's just a FAQ, not common knowledge... |
| 17:42.32 | shaddai | then you should learn them |
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| 17:43.07 | flan | I was looking to recompile the kernel so my sound will work when I noticed that the /lib/modules/2.4.x/build directory doesn't exist and 'make menuconfig' doesn't work.... I went to the www.debian.com site and found the kernel-HOWTO has been taken down for review so, If someone could kindly point me in the right direction to a tut I would greatly appreciate it! thanks :) |
| 17:43.19 | flan | asdf |
| 17:43.20 | SpArTaK | hi, when i transfer files over NFS with kernel 2.6.0 the progress / speed is way off like at times it goes to 80 MB/sec and just stalls at some finally ending up at 99% and just sitting there untill the file actually gets copied im wondering if there is something im doing wrong or is this a bug? |
| 17:43.22 | flan | wtf |
| 17:43.33 | flan | ok |
| 17:43.37 | flan | I will retype |
| 17:44.03 | flan | I been trying to recompile the kernel and I noticed that make menuconfig doesn't work so |
| 17:44.21 | initech | flan: all you want is for sound to work? a debian kernel should suffice if that's all you want |
| 17:44.22 | intero | anyone knows what does this mean? --> numerical sysctl 7 2 1 is obsolete. |
| 17:44.27 | Ripped | flan: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-post-install.en.html#s-kernel-baking |
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| 17:44.40 | Ripped | maybe a good place to start |
| 17:44.49 | engie | Hi. What package do I need to install to get startx? |
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| 17:44.56 | fatal__ | flan: don't recompile.. just modprobe the correct module. |
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| 17:45.09 | flan | ok |
| 17:45.10 | fatal__ | engie: x-window-system |
| 17:45.23 | flan | fatal / ripped thank you |
| 17:45.37 | engie | fatal__: cheers |
| 17:46.00 | TonyStark | someone knows what's this ? Can't locate File/Basename.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8.2 /usr/share/perl/5.8.2 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 19. |
| 17:46.00 | TonyStark | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 19. |
| 17:46.27 | flan | oh one more thing where can I get updates from as well... some asshole broke into the debian server and so its shut down... like you guys didn't know that... |
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| 17:46.52 | the_faulk | hello |
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| 17:47.01 | the_faulk | i have successfully fixed my xfree =) |
| 17:47.02 | initech | flan: the usual places, the archives have been online for a good while now |
| 17:47.03 | Ripped | flan: http://http.us.debian.org/debian is what I use for my sources - main contrib non-free |
| 17:47.26 | woodrag | initech: can i run recover from a rescuedisk? |
| 17:47.53 | initech | woodrag: well, accc. to caphuso, recover only works with ext2, so ... it is probably pointless |
| 17:48.21 | caphuso | s/probably// |
| 17:48.27 | woodrag | initech: is there no way to recover a ext3fs disk? |
| 17:48.35 | caphuso | woodrag: define "recover" |
| 17:48.59 | initech | woodrag: yes, of course there is always professional data recovery, but that costs $$$ |
| 17:49.10 | woodrag | initech: the journal is broken/f.ck.d |
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| 17:49.34 | initech | woodrag: you can try the recover command for kicks though, just boot into debian, not knoppix, and if it isn't there, then install it |
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| 17:50.07 | caphuso | initech: uh |
| 17:50.31 | caphuso | initech: even if recover would work on ext3, how exactly would a tool to undelete files help with a broken journal? |
| 17:50.41 | woodrag | initech: how can i boot into debian and install software when the fs is broken... |
| 17:51.03 | caphuso | might as well suggest using tetris instead. same result, but more fun |
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| 17:51.07 | Ripped | yeah, you can always apt-get recover even from within knoppix, if you have another partition or disk or whateveer |
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| 17:51.11 | woodrag | initech: if i install someting then for sure the disk is empty! |
| 17:51.41 | initech | so the journal's just hosed? tried mounting as ext2? |
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| 17:52.12 | caphuso | you can't mount an ext3 filesystem as ext2 if it hasn't been umounted cleanly |
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| 17:52.44 | nijan | Hello, how can i find all file created bya a such process(better) or user |
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| 17:52.52 | Ripped | mounting as ext2 should work, it'll just have to go through and check it - I had that problem when I upgraded kernels in RedHat before I saw the light and installed debian |
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| 17:53.07 | caphuso | nijan: you can't, and run "info find" |
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| 17:53.29 | caphuso | Ripped: no. it shouldn't work |
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| 17:54.08 | Ripped | caphuso: OK. I'm just recalling how I got myself out of a jam once. I could be misremebering though. |
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| 17:54.56 | tobias_ | Are there any Java DEBs for unstable? |
| 17:55.00 | nijan | :/ And can i see wich file is opening (or would open a program)? |
| 17:55.24 | caphuso | nijan: see what? |
| 17:55.45 | caphuso | if you want to see which files a running process has opened, use lsof |
| 17:55.48 | initech | nijan: strace, lsof |
| 17:55.55 | bbc | Where I can read how to create a diskette that automatically creates a partition , set up the network card (known card) connect to a server (192.168.0.1) and download a completely image of a system un unpack in the root? |
| 17:55.57 | spo0nman | tobias_: i think you could install kaffe |
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| 17:56.13 | caphuso | bbc: check out FAI |
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| 17:56.19 | veleno | anyone knows a working patch for nvnet on 2.6-stable ? |
| 17:56.29 | bbc | alright. |
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| 17:56.52 | eNovell | veleno: there are 3rd party drivers for it |
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| 17:57.49 | woodrag | initech: first apache crashed due to a segmentation fault and then my disk crashed after a apt-get upgrade this morning.... its a bad sunday!!! |
| 17:57.56 | veleno | eNovell: u know where to get those? |
| 17:58.05 | tobias_ | spo0nman: thanks, will test it |
| 17:58.05 | eNovell | veleno: I can't remember the name of it =/ |
| 17:58.09 | initech | woodrag: this is stable, or what? |
| 17:58.13 | eNovell | veleno: check lkml |
| 17:58.25 | woodrag | initech: testing ;-(( |
| 17:58.28 | re_garcia | I have my modules.conf set with the alias for sounds, but it is not being loaded when I start Gnome/GDM. I can't find any errors... I'm running kernel 2.6. Any ideas? |
| 17:58.34 | nijan | thanks :) |
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| 17:58.36 | eNovell | they have talked about it there |
| 17:58.42 | eNovell | last week iirc |
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| 17:58.57 | woodrag | initech: updated to testing lastweek because i was tired waiting for the new postgresql! |
| 17:58.59 | sinclaird | are there imp packages in stable? |
| 17:59.08 | maru | re_garcia 2.6 doesn't look at modules-conf |
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| 17:59.19 | initech | woodrag: that's a hell of a way to get just one new app ... |
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| 17:59.25 | re_garcia | maru: where then? |
| 17:59.37 | maru | re_garcia modprobe.conf |
| 17:59.52 | re_garcia | maru: let me check... |
| 17:59.53 | woodrag | initech: woody is very old.... |
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| 18:00.00 | maru | re_garcia: which gets configured via the files in modprobe.d |
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| 18:00.30 | woodrag | initech: since i use a minimum amunt of packs its ok.... and the kids like kde3 |
| 18:00.30 | initech | woodrag: well, personally, if i could not wait for testing to go stable, i'd have just run a locally compiled postgres in the meantime |
| 18:00.32 | Flane | hi, somebody using openoffice.org in woody with xfree 4.3 ? |
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| 18:01.49 | woodrag | initech: i did try but did not succeed.... |
| 18:02.15 | Ripped | opinions on 2.6? I'm running a devel laptop, wondering if I should take the plunge... |
| 18:02.19 | re_garcia | maru: here's what i did... I added a sound file in the modprobe.d dir and ran modules-update... it updated my modules.conf |
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| 18:02.55 | re_garcia | does modules-update updates the modprobe.conf files? |
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| 18:03.06 | Yan^ | Hello, people, Could anybody help with installation of debian on the system where I already have mandrake and do not wnat to erase it? I have run into a problem |
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| 18:03.09 | Kraig | just dependencies |
| 18:03.23 | maru | re_garcia yup, but if you are using 2.6 and alsa and the debian alsa modules, you shouldn'T have to do anything |
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| 18:04.15 | neqm | Yan^: what problem is that? |
| 18:04.25 | re_garcia | maru: so how does it get loaded then? I've read this in the kernel docs |
| 18:04.26 | somiaj | Ripped: I like it, but would only recomend it as a testing kernel, I would not recomend it for a server or anything you may have to depend on, I would only recomend it for play. |
| 18:04.37 | maru | re_garcia: are you using alsa? |
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| 18:05.00 | Camel69 | 2.6.0 still so buggy? |
| 18:05.00 | re_garcia | maru: yep... as modules |
| 18:05.05 | Serialkiller | ok i have included mplayer in my sources.list and now it comes back with a hell ov a lot of depends but is not installable.. any ideas? |
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| 18:05.36 | maru | re_garcia: the alsa script in /etc/init.d + the debconf generated files take care of it |
| 18:05.52 | re_garcia | maru: just a minute |
| 18:05.58 | Joona--- | maru, "Can't locate module mousedev" |
| 18:06.05 | Camel69 | i have to add "-t unstable" to the apt-get command when installing kde stuff |
| 18:06.22 | Camel69 | perhaps this helps, Serialkiller |
| 18:06.31 | maru | re_garcia alsa-base debconf to be exact |
| 18:06.43 | somiaj | Serialkiller: do you mind compiling stuff, the 'debian/rules binary' in mplayers source makes a nice custom mplayer package. |
| 18:06.58 | Serialkiller | somiaj: no i dont mind |
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| 18:07.30 | pbx06 | hi |
| 18:07.38 | Joona--- | maru, modprobe cannot locate the mousedev module. any ideas? |
| 18:07.44 | maru | Joona---: What kernel? |
| 18:07.49 | Joona--- | err |
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| 18:07.53 | re_garcia | maru: I have no such script... |
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| 18:08.01 | Joona--- | My debian is 3.0r1 so what came with it.. |
| 18:08.03 | pbx06 | any ons can paste hes fancy $PS1 ??? |
| 18:08.12 | maru | re_garcia What alsa debs do you have installed? |
| 18:08.21 | Ripped | somiaj: thanks...I might just compile it and see, I like messing around |
| 18:08.30 | caphuso | pbx06: for which shell? |
| 18:08.42 | re_garcia | then ones that comes with the kernel |
| 18:08.43 | somiaj | Serialkiller: go download the 1.0pre3 tar ball from mplayerhq.hu (i belive, mplayers sight), and then compile it, how I do it is ./configure <options>, and check the results, once it looks good just run 'debian/rules binary' and it will make a debian package you can just install. |
| 18:09.02 | veleno | eNovell: did u mean this one: http://www.google.it/search?q=cache:9ZTYm7bUC1AJ:bronz.mine.nu/~hanscats/gentoo/nvnet.2.5-1.diff+nvnet.2.5-1.diff&hl=it&ie=UTF-8 |
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| 18:09.44 | eNovell | probably not.. |
| 18:09.48 | eNovell | it's some other project.. |
| 18:09.51 | flan | ok how do I modprobe the right sound driver |
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| 18:09.51 | re_garcia | what you mean by alsa-base debconf? |
| 18:09.53 | eNovell | named deth something iirc |
| 18:09.56 | somiaj | Ripped: I had no problems with it, but I have a basic system, I use ext3 and nothing bizar on my machine, the only problem I ran into was getting the nvidia module to work,. |
| 18:10.03 | flan | I did a lspci and found it |
| 18:10.03 | maru | re_garcia I mean what alsa debian packge do you have installed? |
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| 18:10.49 | setori | hey guys can anybody please me a hand? why when i run the command ifconfig I get ":error fetching interface information: Device not found" |
| 18:10.59 | maru | re_garcia: Like "alsa-base" |
| 18:11.16 | Joona--- | mary, do you have any ideas ? |
| 18:11.18 | somiaj | Ripped: I have heard of a few problems for people using resierfs, just so ya know. |
| 18:11.38 | zeo33x | somiaj: what kind of problem? im using it fine now |
| 18:11.48 | re_garcia | maru: what is the best way to check this? |
| 18:11.49 | somiaj | Serialkiller: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:11.58 | jetscreamer | like a bf24 problem with reiser |
| 18:12.01 | maru | re_garcia: apt-get install alsa-bse |
| 18:12.03 | maru | base |
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| 18:12.06 | somiaj | setori: that mesage for serialkiller was for you |
| 18:12.31 | re_garcia | maru: but I'll install that way... |
| 18:12.32 | setori | somiaj: okies ta |
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| 18:12.57 | maru | re_garcia If you want to use alsa you have to install the userspace tools |
| 18:13.07 | somiaj | zeo33x: it might depend on the version of resiserfs your using, but I've heard of a few people not able to get things to work correctly with 2.6 and resierfs. |
| 18:13.07 | re_garcia | maru: it is not installed... |
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| 18:13.29 | maru | re_garcia Install it then |
| 18:13.40 | re_garcia | maru: installing... |
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| 18:14.02 | maru | Joona--- |
| 18:14.03 | somiaj | maru: what userspace tools, I'm using alsa on 2.6.0 and the only alsa package I have installed is the alsamixer. |
| 18:14.04 | maru | gah |
| 18:14.09 | re_garcia | maur: what now? |
| 18:14.20 | Joona--- | maru? |
| 18:14.49 | Mave | somiaj: you don't need even alsamixer if oss mixer emu is enabled |
| 18:15.05 | maru | somiaj: for example alsa-common which takes care of writing the correct config |
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| 18:15.24 | veleno | eNovell: maybe did u mean the "forcedeth" patch? |
| 18:15.37 | somiaj | Mave: I need it for the sblive rear speakers, couldn't get aumix to turn those up...(: |
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| 18:15.39 | eNovell | yes |
| 18:15.43 | icecold | oss is depreciated in 2.6 kernel |
| 18:15.43 | eNovell | I think.. |
| 18:15.56 | eNovell | Just saw something about it, haven't tried it or anything |
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| 18:16.14 | pbx06 | how to gets colors on xterm ??? |
| 18:16.20 | maru | somiaj: I know that you don't need it (coded the dynamic loading) but its easier for beginners |
| 18:16.26 | redstar | can I install the module-init-tools without removing old modutils? |
| 18:16.32 | ljlane | redstar, yes |
| 18:16.33 | maru | redstar: yes |
| 18:16.35 | icecold | yes |
| 18:16.38 | DelEat | icecold: you mean deprecated ;-) |
| 18:16.47 | somiaj | maru: ok, just checking...thanks for the info. |
| 18:16.48 | re_garcia | ls |
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| 18:16.56 | redstar | ljlane: but apt-get wants to remove it? |
| 18:16.56 | ljlane | pbx06, does this show you any colors? ls --color=auto |
| 18:16.59 | Joona--- | maru, were you saying something? |
| 18:17.03 | Il_proff | hi all ... |
| 18:17.10 | somiaj | pbx06: what do you mean by colors? |
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| 18:17.28 | Il_proff | what's aboute this error during the boot : " you can not find reiserfs on ramdisk" |
| 18:17.31 | pbx06 | ls --color=auto //nocolors ljlane |
| 18:17.39 | snoke | how i can convert .bin image to iso ? |
| 18:17.43 | redstar | can I use kernel-package with kernel 2.6.x ? |
| 18:17.54 | maru | redstar yes |
| 18:18.06 | somiaj | redstar: yes, and you should always put your kernel in a debian package..(: |
| 18:18.07 | ljlane | redstar, I have both installed, and yes, you can use kernel-package with 2.6.0. |
| 18:18.12 | pbx06 | ljlane ls --color=auto //nocolors |
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| 18:18.25 | icecold | snoke: mkisofs |
| 18:18.26 | DelEat | somiaj: why always? |
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| 18:18.33 | DelEat | somiaj: that's a matter of preference ;-) |
| 18:18.50 | ljlane | pbx06: what does this say? echo $TERM |
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| 18:18.54 | pbx06 | somiaj colors |
| 18:18.56 | maru | Joona---: Are you able to do a cat /dev/input/mice as root? |
| 18:19.12 | pbx06 | echo $TERM //xterm |
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| 18:19.26 | Joona--- | cat? |
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| 18:19.35 | pbx06 | echo $TERM |
| 18:19.36 | pbx06 | xterm |
| 18:19.45 | maru | Joona--- yes it is a command |
| 18:19.58 | Joona--- | I'll go try. got another tip I'll try too |
| 18:19.59 | Joona--- | brb |
| 18:20.20 | ljlane | pbx06: strange. It should just plain work. |
| 18:20.24 | hogmeat | i loggined in as user 'bob' at console, then 'xhost +', but when i 'su - ted' and start 'xterm -display 0:0' it says 'xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 0:0'. i dont understand why ? any ideas? |
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| 18:20.44 | LoRez | hogmeat: because you're on the console? |
| 18:20.53 | pbx06 | ljlane ls -G ///display colors |
| 18:21.14 | somiaj | DelEat: because one of the main advantages debian is its package manager (dpkg) and installing things though other means than a debian package just isn't suggested, plus using kernel package makes it easier to have multiple kernels installed and it keeps a copy your .config file for the kernel. |
| 18:21.15 | hogmeat | LoRez: but it works if su to root and start xterms |
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| 18:21.35 | LoRez | hogmeat: because root can read your xauthority file |
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| 18:21.51 | setori | Serialkiller: what was your prob?? ifconfig doesnt work? |
| 18:22.47 | Serialkiller | somiaj: ok hey i have never used debian/rules.. can you explain a little? |
| 18:23.01 | ljlane | pbx06: even stranger |
| 18:23.23 | Serialkiller | setori: no idea what you are talking about |
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| 18:24.10 | Kurt | Slackware is better |
| 18:24.11 | DelEat | somiaj: I always compile kernels myself... all kernel source, and built kernels are very easy to keep track of, and has nothing to do with dpkg! |
| 18:24.20 | Il_proff | how about this message during my boot: |
| 18:24.23 | Il_proff | sh-2021: Reiserfs_read_super |
| 18:24.25 | Il_proff | you can not find reiserfs on ramdisk(1,0) |
| 18:24.28 | Il_proff | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount Rootfs |
| 18:24.32 | Il_proff | ? |
| 18:24.46 | DelEat | somiaj: and I'm sorry to say it, but the www.kernel.org updates are a little more up-to-date than the debian-kernel-package updates... |
| 18:25.03 | Kurt | Slackware >>>>>>>> Mandrake >>>>>>>> Red Hat >>>>>>>> Windows XP >>>>>>>> Windows 3.1 >>>>>>>> DOS 1.0 >>>>>>>> Debian |
| 18:25.04 | somiaj | Serialkiller: its just a set of rules that compiles the binarys and then packages them all together into a debian package, with mplayer once you get the ./configure to have all the options you need then just run 'debian/rules binary' that is similar to 'make' but it will then put all the binarys into a mplayer.deb located ../, that help? |
| 18:25.09 | LoneTech | il_proff: if you're going to use initrds with your kernel, make sure it has cramfs support. |
| 18:25.30 | Il_proff | LoneTech, there is! |
| 18:25.50 | DelEat | Kurt: where's OS/2 and Mac OS ??? |
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| 18:25.57 | ljlane | Kurt, you suck as a troll. Try harder. |
| 18:26.06 | LoneTech | sounds like your kernel does not detect a filesystem in the ramdisk. |
| 18:26.11 | Serialkiller | somiaj: sweet thanks |
| 18:26.11 | DelEat | Kurt: why are you here? |
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| 18:26.19 | veleno | how would u patch 2.6 ? patch -p1 file.diff /usr/src/linux-2.6.0/ would work? |
| 18:26.25 | Il_proff | LoneTech, mhhhh i compiled stativìc the use initrd and initramdrive support in my kernel |
| 18:26.34 | Kurt | no |
| 18:26.40 | LoneTech | il_proff: and compressed RAM filesystem? |
| 18:26.43 | Kurt | when I'm trolling, I'm less obvious |
| 18:26.49 | DelEat | veleno: man patch |
| 18:27.15 | Il_proff | LoneTech, whereis ? in the filesystem option or in the general options? |
| 18:27.22 | DelEat | veleno: depends on the locations of the patch + kernel src |
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| 18:27.31 | LoneTech | it is a filesystem, so it ought to be in the filesystem list. |
| 18:27.38 | somiaj | DelEat: I use sources directly from kernel.org and still put them into a debina package, and yes you can put a kernel on your computer with out kernel-package, you can also go and download tarballs and put softwear on your machine that is not in a debian package, but in such a case you could break your debian system, mostly being able to manage your computer with its wonderful package manager. |
| 18:27.48 | Joona--- | maru, it says "/dev/input/mice: no such device" |
| 18:27.57 | radiv | Anyone here able to tell me whether I should use ACPI or APM for my power management? Currently when i type halt on my 2.6.0 kernel my system stops but doesnt' actually shut down |
| 18:27.58 | Joona--- | But I do have that /dev/input/mice there |
| 18:28.02 | radiv | I have an asus mobo |
| 18:28.12 | karsten | Swap/X question: why would XFree86 (v4) have 191m swap, and is there anything I can do about it? No other apps are using as much swap. Value is based on 'top' output. |
| 18:28.20 | flan | somiaj what pakage manager are you speaking of? |
| 18:28.20 | LoneTech | radiv: acpi is preferable when it works. |
| 18:28.31 | somiaj | flan: dpkg and all of its frontends. |
| 18:28.38 | flan | ty |
| 18:28.46 | flan | somiaj ty |
| 18:28.53 | Joona--- | maru, I tried the cat /dev/input/mice |
| 18:28.57 | LoneTech | karsten: swap or virtual memory? the X server appears to consume much more than it does since it maps hardware. |
| 18:28.58 | Il_proff | LoneTech, thereis RAMDISK support and Initial RamDisk support |
| 18:29.00 | DelEat | somiaj: I use plenty of tar sources on my system in addition to the .deb packages. Usually I do it when I need a more up-to-date package of something (I'm running unstable) |
| 18:29.27 | LoneTech | il_proff: I know. you've said so and showed it, several times. you have yet to check what I asked. |
| 18:29.44 | DelEat | somiaj: but I agree with you that most ppl shouldn't install tarballs, and most ppl should just apt-get install a new kernel, but not all |
| 18:30.07 | LoneTech | deleat: take a look at kernel-package. |
| 18:30.20 | LoneTech | it sounds like you've overlooked it |
| 18:30.23 | jetscreamer | you also need cramfs progs package if that helps |
| 18:30.28 | DelEat | LoneTech: mkpkg=? |
| 18:30.41 | somiaj | DelEat: thats the nice thing about linux and debian is they don't take away your ability to do that, it is just suggested and people should use debian packages when ever possible, I to put tarballs on my computer, but in most cases I try to make the source into a debian package first before just installing it on my machine. |
| 18:30.52 | LoneTech | jetscreamer: probably has it, given dependencies and that his ramdisk was generated somehow. |
| 18:31.08 | jetscreamer | scrollingup in chatzilla sucks so i dunno |
| 18:31.14 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 18:31.25 | jetscreamer | chatzilla sux sometimes |
| 18:32.05 | icecold | Is there anyway to copy a commercial DVD to a dvd+r or do I need DVD-9 dvd's? |
| 18:32.27 | LoneTech | icecold: it's possible to split things, but I think that was still unfinished in dvdbackup. |
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| 18:32.33 | somiaj | DelEat: you should try to use make-kpkg sometime, I think you'll find out you'll have more power with it than just installing the kernels directly from source. |
| 18:32.49 | somiaj | jetscreamer: irssi-text...(: |
| 18:33.09 | icecold | LoneTech: I'll check it out. I didn't know dvdbackup had the option. |
| 18:33.19 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 18:33.28 | LoneTech | it was in the TODO list last time I checked |
| 18:33.45 | LoneTech | but I do not have a dvd burner |
| 18:33.53 | engie | Hi. I'm trying to insert a nvidia module into my 2.6 kernel. I've followed the instructions at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html. It isn't working, and syslog sais that Error inserting module, invalid module format. version magic '2.6.0 K7 gcc-3.3' should be 2.6.0tv.woody.3 K7 gcc-3.3'. tv.woody.3 is the append-version I used when make-kpkg'ing my kernel and my modules. Any ideas round this? |
| 18:33.57 | DelEat | somiaj: I use make-kpkg when compiling kernels for my fileserver (compile them on a faster machine), and I agree it's excellent for this, but just compiling a kernel, I find it just as easy to build the kernel, and move it to /boot (or make install) and edit lilo.conf |
| 18:34.08 | DelEat | somiaj: but that's justme - it's all a matter of preference... |
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| 18:34.10 | icecold | LoneTech: you're right... |
| 18:34.13 | jetscreamer | engie http://minion.de |
| 18:34.30 | hiwk | What do I have to do to get dhclient working under 2.6.0? |
| 18:34.40 | Joona--- | Hey, I don't get my USB mouse work. It's trying to find /dev/gpmdata, but I don't have such device....? |
| 18:34.44 | DelEat | hiwk: uhm... type 'dhclient' ? |
| 18:34.48 | engie | jetscreamer: that recommends the docs I linked for debian |
| 18:34.50 | somiaj | DelEat: I think its faster the other way cause then all I have to do is link /vmlinuz to the kernel I want, and don't have to mess with my lilo.conf..(: |
| 18:34.58 | LoneTech | hiwk: start it. |
| 18:35.10 | hiwk | DelEat && LoneTech : Unrecognized kernel version |
| 18:35.24 | DelEat | somiaj: I could do that to, and have lilo link to it ;-) |
| 18:35.24 | somiaj | DelEat: plus when I dpkg -i <kernel package> it modifies the link for me, so only if I want somethign special do I have to do anything, it even runs lilo for me. |
| 18:35.26 | LoneTech | joona: that is a socket, not a device. your usb mice are at /dev/input/mice. |
| 18:35.51 | ToreSB | A Maestro3 modem acellerator is a winmodem, right? |
| 18:35.53 | paulswm | wow, bunch of stuff changed in sarge over the last 24 gours |
| 18:36.00 | jetscreamer | engie, i just follow the directions on minion and patch it and it works. they also have a rebuilt installer on the site that works well |
| 18:36.06 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 18:36.08 | ToreSB | 00:0d.1 Communication controller: ESS Technology ES1983S Maestro-3i PCI Modem Accelerator |
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| 18:36.23 | somiaj | engie: are you runnging sarge or sid? have you checked out minion.de? |
| 18:36.37 | engie | jetscreamer: Thanks |
| 18:36.39 | LoneTech | hiwk: works fine for me, perhaps you have an ancient dhclient? try dhcp3-client package. |
| 18:36.42 | DelEat | hiwk: try 'pump' ;-) |
| 18:36.55 | DelEat | hiwk: (if LoneTech's advice doesn't work) |
| 18:37.14 | jetscreamer | works well for me that is |
| 18:37.14 | Serialkiller | somiaj: thanks i have it working |
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| 18:37.22 | Camel69|afk | does anyone know which programming language is used for cpuburn? |
| 18:37.31 | kromagg | hehe nice try |
| 18:37.33 | Serialkiller | somiaj: but is there a gui frontend for it? |
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| 18:38.00 | LoneTech | toresb: yes, it is. |
| 18:38.01 | standsolid_ | is it possible to use a USB data cable w/ a motorla phone and linux (for data sync, like the phonebook) ? |
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| 18:38.18 | DelEat | Camel69|afk: download the src and look... |
| 18:38.26 | LoneTech | standsolid: probably, but I don't know. |
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| 18:38.48 | DelEat | standsolid_: most likely, but you'll probably have to write the syncing programs yourself |
| 18:38.49 | somiaj | Serialkiller: congrats, just so ya know if you want windows media support, and real player support you can download the codecs from mplayerhq.hu and then tell ./configure where they are, for the gui you need to compile it with --enable-gui (the gui is gmplayer), for it to work you need to have the gtk-dev packages installed and also have a skin downloaded from mplayers sight. |
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| 18:39.08 | standsolid_ | LoneTech: heh. I see all the USB data cables, for one phone it showed up like a serial port |
| 18:39.16 | namirhaA | Could someone tell me which file to edit to get INSMOD/mODPROBE to run on BOOT? |
| 18:39.29 | standsolid_ | Kandy for KDE is supposed to provide the "glue" if you write an XML "driver" for your phone |
| 18:39.36 | DelEat | namirhaA: /etc/modules |
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| 18:39.45 | LoneTech | standsolid: then you could probably run startalk or gsm-utils on that serial port |
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| 18:39.58 | karrot-x | Is there a way to make it so everytime I put a new user in it makes their homedir 711? |
| 18:40.16 | LoneTech | namirhaa: /etc/modules and no need to shout. |
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| 18:40.20 | somiaj | standsolid_: My guess would be if the phone uses some sort of standard protocol to talk, say usbmass storage device for example. |
| 18:40.33 | standsolid_ | LoneTech: i hadn't seen any of those two projects. i'll google them. I have a motorola cell phone and was looking if thre was any compatibility page to look for |
| 18:40.38 | somiaj | karrot-x: check out /etc/adduser.conf and maybe /etc/skeleton. |
| 18:42.04 | hiwk | LoneTech: dhcp3-client worked, thanks |
| 18:42.08 | standsolid_ | somiaj: yeah, I figured as much. I was wondering if anyone had LUCK with it :) it would als o be REALLY cool to use it as a modem |
| 18:42.10 | somiaj | Serialkiller: though I have been using mplayer for about 2 years now and even though I have the gui I never use it, but I'm a fan of the best X aps are ones ran from an xterm...(: |
| 18:42.27 | Serialkiller | somiaj: lol.. cool.. |
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| 18:42.45 | Serialkiller | somiaj: btw i have all the codec and suck |
| 18:42.49 | Serialkiller | suck |
| 18:42.50 | Serialkiller | lol |
| 18:42.52 | Serialkiller | sorry |
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| 18:43.59 | Joona--- | LoneTech, /dev/input/mice says "no such device" |
| 18:44.09 | somiaj | Serialkiller: I just happend to compile the new mplayer last night, here is what my ./configure looks like './configure --enable-gui --disable-mpdvdkit --disable-runtime-cpudetection --with-reallibdir=/usr/local/rp9codecs --with-win32libdir=/usr/local/win32codecs', where I just put the codecs in /usr/local. |
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| 18:44.28 | zinx | Joona---: you don't have support for /dev/input/mice in your kernel |
| 18:44.55 | Joona--- | what do I need to so |
| 18:44.57 | Joona--- | ? |
| 18:45.02 | LoneTech | joona: load the mousedev module |
| 18:45.07 | Joona--- | how? |
| 18:45.07 | hogmeat | LoRez: I tried chmod a+r .Xauthority to allow other console user to start xterms, but that didnt work. do i need to modify .Xauthority entries instead/ |
| 18:45.33 | AxelBoldt_ | I'm running unstable, and when I say >loadkeys, I get "libcfont.so.0 cannot open shared object file". But libcfont.so.0 exists. |
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| 18:45.47 | LoneTech | hogmeat: bad idea, that file contains private X cookies. if you want to transfer them, or create new ones, use xauth. |
| 18:45.59 | LoneTech | joona: modprobe |
| 18:46.29 | Joona--- | modprobe mousedev resulted "can't locate module mousedev" |
| 18:46.35 | LoneTech | acelboldt: have you run ldconfig? does libcfont.so.0 point to an existing file (it is probably a symlink)? |
| 18:46.41 | Joona--- | already tried :) |
| 18:46.53 | LoneTech | joona: then you need to get another kernel, with proper support for usb mice. |
| 18:47.09 | Joona--- | I have usbmgr installed |
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| 18:47.26 | AxelBoldt_ | LoneTech: Thanks, I'll check |
| 18:47.27 | azreal | what would cause devices to disappear from scsi bus, actually the whole bus is gone? |
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| 18:47.44 | azreal | kernel: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 1 channel 0 id 2 lun 0 |
| 18:47.53 | azreal | kernel: scsi1 (2:0): rejecting I/O to offline device |
| 18:48.44 | Joona--- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.49 | azreal | unexpected disconnect, ive never had any trouble from this drive before |
| 18:48.55 | kjs3 | azreal: I've seen termination issues do that on an Adaptec controller. |
| 18:49.12 | azreal | kjs3: have you any idea why? |
| 18:49.14 | LoneTech | joona: no, and in fact usbmgr is quite unnecessary when things work properly. usbmgr is a subset of the hotplug functionality. |
| 18:49.20 | Joona--- | ok |
| 18:49.34 | Joona--- | how do I get the new kernel |
| 18:49.36 | Joona--- | ? |
| 18:49.56 | Joona--- | I have hotplug installed too |
| 18:50.01 | LoneTech | perhaps the easiest way is to select one of those available by apt. |
| 18:50.09 | ToreSB | LoneTech: How would I set it up? |
| 18:50.18 | Joona--- | apt-get install kernel? ;) |
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| 18:50.44 | kjs3 | azreal: Not sure the precise cause. Might be the termination problem causes enough SCB messages to get mangled that the driver decides the device is buggered. Haven't looked at the error handling code, tho...I fixed the termination. :-) |
| 18:50.54 | hiwk | anynone who knows how to receive a file from a mobile phone/computer via IR? I have positiv irdadump output. |
| 18:51.33 | DelEat | hiwk: yes |
| 18:51.37 | DelEat | hiwk: google |
| 18:51.48 | DelEat | hiwk: I just googled for the exact same thing and found PLENTY of resources! |
| 18:51.55 | LoneTech | hiwk: ircp is one option, you'd be looking for IrOBEX. |
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| 18:52.19 | DelEat | hiwk: google for 'linux+nokia' or whatever brand the phone is.. |
| 18:52.22 | scottlu | quit |
| 18:52.23 | karrot-x | somiaj: Thank you. |
| 18:52.31 | Camel69 | apt-get install xsensors wmsensors ... must i build some sensors-stuff into the kernel? |
| 18:52.39 | namirhaA | in hosts.allow, what do i add to allow all connections? ALL:ALL? |
| 18:52.45 | mait | Oh no, people's phone/PDA files are indexed gy Google now :) |
| 18:52.48 | DelEat | Camel69: yes |
| 18:53.29 | DelEat | mait: sure... just like everything else... |
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| 18:53.43 | azreal | kjs3: this is the only dev on that particular bus :-\ |
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| 18:54.02 | Camel69 | ok, another new to kernel to be made :) |
| 18:55.00 | flan | is there another way to search through dselect? I am getting sick of scrolling |
| 18:55.05 | flan | lol |
| 18:55.09 | hogmeat | hmm apparently logged in as 'bill' on the console with 'xhost +' then 'su - ted', 'xterm -display 0:0' wouldnt work, but 'xterm -display :0' would. i dont think it had anything to do with .xauthority file |
| 18:55.15 | kjs3 | azreal: Per the spec, the bus still has to be properly terminated, even with one device. Sometimes you can get away with it, sometimes not. This seems to be especially true of particularly finicky controllers (Adaptec). |
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| 18:56.07 | LoneTech | hogmeat: "0:0" would mean display 0 on a host called 0, which is a bit wrong. :0 means display 0 on the local host. |
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| 18:56.20 | hogmeat | ah ok thanks!!! |
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| 18:56.50 | LoneTech | and xhost + turns authentication off and as such is classified as a Bad Idea |
| 18:56.53 | DelEat | flan: 'apt-cache search foobar' |
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| 18:57.15 | LoneTech | flan: yes, hit / |
| 18:57.15 | flan | deleat grazzi |
| 18:57.28 | LoneTech | though I prefer aptitude nowadays. |
| 18:57.30 | flan | no shit like vi ? |
| 18:57.34 | LoneTech | yes. |
| 18:57.36 | DelEat | LoneTech: over apt ? |
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| 18:57.38 | mwilson | argh |
| 18:57.46 | namirhaA | in hosts.allow, what do i add to allow all outside and inside connections? |
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| 18:57.51 | DelEat | flan: vi = shit... I think no |
| 18:57.58 | DelEat | s/no/not |
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| 18:58.07 | DelEat | mwilson: good to see you back ;-) |
| 18:58.11 | flan | no I like vi also man |
| 18:58.13 | neqm | I'am using gnome2.4 and 'Select windows when the mouse moves over them' doesn't work |
| 18:58.14 | LoneTech | deleat: no, aptitude is merely an interface. it uses apt more directly than dselect. |
| 18:58.20 | flan | in vi / == search for |
| 18:58.22 | DelEat | LoneTech: ok |
| 18:58.30 | mwilson | namirhaA: Nothing. If that's what you want, don't deny them all. |
| 18:58.39 | DelEat | flan: I know... / works in dselect as well |
| 18:59.11 | flan | yeah I just found that out |
| 18:59.13 | flan | lol |
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| 18:59.17 | alekibango | hello, why is actroread not installable? or am i missing some apt.sources line? |
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| 18:59.34 | mwilson | acroread is in non-free. |
| 18:59.37 | mwilson | Or was. |
| 18:59.41 | flan | now I have to figure out why make xconfig is telling me that QT devel package isn't installed when it is |
| 18:59.42 | alekibango | and now is? |
| 19:00.08 | mwilson | alekibango: No. |
| 19:00.14 | alekibango | acroread-debian-files depends on acroread |
| 19:00.20 | alekibango | which is missing |
| 19:00.27 | mwilson | It was dropped. |
| 19:00.33 | alekibango | why? license? |
| 19:00.35 | mwilson | Use xpdf. |
| 19:00.42 | alekibango | (i am using kghost) |
| 19:00.51 | alekibango | but my friend needs it |
| 19:00.54 | mwilson | alekibango: What would the license have to do with it? It was already in non-free. |
| 19:01.06 | mwilson | Ew, kghost. |
| 19:01.08 | alekibango | there was some need to provide installer |
| 19:01.09 | alekibango | :)) |
| 19:01.13 | alekibango | etc |
| 19:01.19 | alekibango | imho it was not ok |
| 19:01.29 | mwilson | alekibango: There was some need for you to actually know what you're talking about, too. |
| 19:01.31 | alekibango | mwilson, i am using gv, too |
| 19:01.32 | alekibango | :) |
| 19:01.47 | alekibango | mwilson, i know what i am talking |
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| 19:01.50 | alekibango | about |
| 19:01.50 | mwilson | alekibango: acroread does little that xpdf doesn't. |
| 19:02.04 | alekibango | mwilson, but it has some bugs you may need to see |
| 19:02.14 | alekibango | i *know* what i am talking ;) |
| 19:02.16 | mwilson | alekibango: I'm sure you think so. |
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| 19:02.32 | mwilson | Somehow I think acroread probably has a few more bugs than xpdf does. |
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| 19:02.54 | alekibango | mwilson, much more |
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| 19:03.14 | alekibango | but this is ther reason you will need acrobat installed |
| 19:03.15 | alekibango | :)) |
| 19:03.27 | alekibango | becouse most windows users are having it |
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| 19:03.43 | alekibango | and, believe me, some fonts are not looking ok in acroread |
| 19:03.44 | mwilson | alekibango: Oh? What reason would that be? What difference does it make what Windows users have? |
| 19:04.06 | alekibango | you may need to distribute paper -- to be also read on computer screen |
| 19:04.12 | alekibango | on every computer |
| 19:04.29 | mwilson | Whyinhell am I getting into this? Debian no longer includes acroread in non-free. Get used to it. |
| 19:04.44 | alekibango | mwilson, i am ok with it, but you are nuts |
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| 19:05.00 | LoneTech | alekibango: then use html, dvi or djvu, depending on what you need. |
| 19:05.01 | re_garcia | maru: it worked! thanks! |
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| 19:07.07 | ToreSB | How do I "talk" to a serial port? |
| 19:07.22 | LoRez | ToreSB: minicom |
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| 19:09.11 | panino | hi all, can some one help me for a usb camera problem? |
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| 19:09.34 | scarface | I have just installed a new kernel and I'd like to 'install' a new hdd. it is a 200gb wd and I have no clue how to set up a file system on it... |
| 19:09.43 | zyta2k | panino: perhaps ;) |
| 19:09.53 | namirhaA | scarface, cfdisk |
| 19:10.02 | panino | thank syta2k.. i'll try to exlpain better... |
| 19:10.06 | namirhaA | mkfs i think |
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| 19:10.31 | Ripped | mkfs.ext3 or whatever |
| 19:10.35 | scarface | namirhaA mmm and do I have to write partitions on it? its liek out the box |
| 19:10.47 | zyta2k | scarface: cfdisk |
| 19:10.48 | namirhaA | ist external u mean? |
| 19:11.04 | namirhaA | scarface, it doesnt matter if its internal or external |
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| 19:11.15 | Aphrum | I have an ASUS award ACPI bios and i have the main ACPI option compiled into my kernel, however on 2.6.0 now when i type halt, i just see like acpi_power_off given and my machine doesn't shut down for like 10 seconds later |
| 19:11.18 | Ripped | scarface: if you want to , make the partitions with fdisk /dev/hd* and then use mkfs to make the filesystems |
| 19:11.19 | Aphrum | anyone know what i could do |
| 19:12.43 | AxelBoldt_ | My loadkeys doesn't work. When I say "ldd /bin/loadkeys" it lists libraries libcfont.0, libctutils.0 and libconsle.0 which I don't have. |
| 19:12.47 | scarface | Ripped okay. but I jut like to have one big drive (recommended by the way?) and do a ext3 fs on it (does it make sense with a 200gb wd?) |
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| 19:13.44 | namirhaA | scarface sounds fine |
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| 19:13.57 | Aphrum | Anyone able to tell me why my machine won't shut down automatically when given the halt command on 2.6.0? |
| 19:14.06 | namirhaA | scarface, unless u have a reason to split the disk up, dont |
| 19:14.27 | flan | does the debian distro go under another name like pld ? |
| 19:14.30 | flan | or something |
| 19:14.54 | flan | if not where can I get the qt-devel package if someone would be so kind |
| 19:15.06 | jetscreamer | if you don't have any modules, you don't have a problem with a fsdk'd up date on /lib/modules/'uname -r'/modules.dep |
| 19:15.17 | Camel69 | where is the sensors-option for the kernel in menuconfig? i cant find it |
| 19:15.28 | AxelBoldt_ | How to find out which package contains a given file? |
| 19:15.34 | LoRez | AxelBoldt_: dpkg -S |
| 19:15.42 | jetscreamer | Camel69, I2c, iirc |
| 19:15.48 | AxelBoldt_ | thanks |
| 19:15.49 | zyta2k | AxelBoldt_: apt-file search |
| 19:16.01 | Camel69 | thx |
| 19:16.17 | zyta2k | AxelBoldt_: apt-file search (if the file isn't on your disk) and dpkg -S /usr/bin/Foo if it is already ;) |
| 19:16.32 | ljlane | flan, http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
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| 19:17.09 | revengeslayer | hi, anyone already tried 'desktop looking glass' from sun already? |
| 19:17.11 | AxelBoldt_ | If you guys say "ldd /bin/loadkeys", do you get a dependency on libcfont.0? |
| 19:17.13 | scarface | namirhaA mmh okay thats fine for me. and mkfs --help spits out block sizes & stuff like that. do I have to know those things? do I have to mount the drive before I can make a fs on it? |
| 19:17.33 | Aphrum | anyone here able to tell my why my machine doesn't power down after the halt command has been given? |
| 19:17.41 | Aphrum | i have acpi compiled into my kernel |
| 19:18.10 | paulswm | Question re. setting up a non-standard connection: I'm trying to get an ATT Globalnet fixedIP corporate internet connection to work. I can't get the ATT Globalnet dialer to work, so I'm going to put the ppp stuff together by hand. I know all the DNS and domain stuff, but I'm unclear as to the exact login chat. CVan I use minicom to step though it? |
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| 19:18.42 | flan | ok thanks ljlane |
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| 19:20.00 | kjs3 | scarface: probably shouldn't mess with block sizes unless you have a specific reason for doing so. |
| 19:20.02 | root_ | im not root only using the name |
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| 19:20.22 | root_ | any hint where i can get xfree 4.3 or how to compile it? |
| 19:20.28 | standsolid_ | [13:19:48] root_ (~root@58-216-90.adsl.terra.cl) has joined |
| 19:20.28 | standsolid_ | channel #debian |
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| 19:20.47 | flan | ljlane>> good answer but not what I was looking for... I am looking to install the qt-devel packages... I can't find .deb files on rpmseek, or rpmfind and I don't beleive there is a debfind or debseek |
| 19:20.52 | flan | so I am stuck |
| 19:21.03 | standsolid_ | root_: are you on debian? |
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| 19:21.10 | revengeslayer | lol |
| 19:21.13 | Camel69 | jetscreamer: im sorry but i cant find I2C (i just can find I2O but i suppose that's something different) |
| 19:21.13 | root_ | standsolid_, yes |
| 19:21.33 | standsolid_ | root_: why not jsut apt-get it? |
| 19:21.36 | zyta2k | root_: take a backport :) |
| 19:21.43 | hiwk | flan why not use apt-get install libqt3-dev ? |
| 19:21.58 | root_ | im using unstable, apt-get from where? |
| 19:22.12 | kjs3 | camel69: very different, yes... |
| 19:22.16 | zyta2k | root_: xf4.3 is in experimental |
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| 19:22.30 | DerBadejunge | how to reconfigure mkinitrd ? do i need an initrd for my 2.6.0 selfmade ?` |
| 19:22.33 | ljlane | flan, apt-file search, or /msg dpkg find qt devel |
| 19:22.33 | flan | hiwk>> because I didn't know about it |
| 19:22.36 | oskie | hi... |
| 19:22.45 | standsolid_ | root_: if you want to compile from source: http://lfs.oregonstate.edu/blfs/view/test/x/xfree86.html |
| 19:22.50 | flan | ljlane / hiwk ty both |
| 19:22.52 | standsolid_ | that giude should be a good follow |
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| 19:23.04 | Camel69 | but where is i2c? |
| 19:23.14 | oskie | how do you enable java in mozilla? is there a package you can install? |
| 19:23.29 | flan | hiwk couldn't find it |
| 19:23.40 | nashirak | I am trying to modify sawfish, through the gnome menu. I found that this simply calls sawfish-ui. I have been trying to customize sawfish in the gnome menu by middle mouse click then clicking on all settings but this doesnt work so I tried calling sawfish-ui in a terminal, I got this error: Remote sawfish error: (file-error "No such file or directory" "rep/io/db/gdbm"). Any thoughts as to what this could be? |
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| 19:25.27 | coolnewbie | does anyone know the opensource equalent of matlab |
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| 19:25.54 | jetscreamer | Camel69, i2c is under character devices |
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| 19:26.14 | trovador | i just installed a 2.6 kernel, and now i can't get my audio running, i get "/dev/dsp: No such device" ?? |
| 19:26.25 | jetscreamer | Camel69, i2c is under device drivers/character devices |
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| 19:26.57 | Camel69 | thanks :) |
| 19:27.08 | Camel69 | i was searching in the upper area of menuconfig all the time *g* |
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| 19:27.33 | oskie | trovador: well... does /proc/devices contain 'sound'? |
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| 19:28.23 | Camel69 | how fast should a cpu be to use it for software raid? are 150 MHz too slow? (pls correct me if this sentences are too wrong *g*) |
| 19:28.28 | trovador | oskie: yep 14 sound.. |
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| 19:28.41 | oskie | trovador: hmm weird... and you do have a /dev/dsp file? |
| 19:29.04 | jetscreamer | trovador, you're in audio group eh |
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| 19:29.32 | jetscreamer | or, "it worked before!" |
| 19:29.32 | trovador | oskie: yes |
| 19:29.36 | ToreSB | Camel69: Actually, it was mostly correct, except that since it is only one processor it's "is 150 MHz too slow?" instead :) |
| 19:29.38 | Joona--- | how do I get a new kernel? |
| 19:29.44 | trovador | jetscreamer: yes, the same happens as root as well.. |
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| 19:30.00 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.version |
| 19:30.07 | Joona--- | thank you |
| 19:30.09 | ToreSB | Camel69: But that deosn't matter. I understood you perfectly. |
| 19:30.20 | ToreSB | Camel69: I don't know the answer ;) |
| 19:30.24 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 19:30.32 | trovador | wheelmouse doesn't seem to work in 2.6 either.. :( |
| 19:30.32 | jetscreamer | for full name |
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| 19:30.43 | kzar | Are there any console programs that let you copy photos from digital cameras to the pc? |
| 19:30.52 | jetscreamer | my wheel works in 2.6 |
| 19:30.54 | jetscreamer | atm |
| 19:31.03 | Camel69 | ToreSB: thanks :) |
| 19:31.04 | Joona--- | what kernel version supports usb mouse |
| 19:31.05 | jetscreamer | kzar, many, dunno the names |
| 19:31.26 | dimes | Who would I talk to about some strange(possibly security related) behavior of apache on Sarge? |
| 19:31.37 | jetscreamer | 2.4 |
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| 19:31.50 | Camel69 | does anyone else know the answer...? |
| 19:31.50 | jetscreamer | get the processor optimized version |
| 19:32.16 | kjcae | Anyone here able to tell me why my machine takes like 10 seconds to shut down after the halt command says Power down. acpi_power_off called? and doesn't just immediatley shut down? |
| 19:32.22 | trovador | jetscreamer: you wheelmouse works in 2.6? usb? |
| 19:32.30 | kjcae | do i need acpid on my system possibly? |
| 19:32.35 | jetscreamer | it's not usb though |
| 19:32.36 | Justin__ | kzar: like gphoto? |
| 19:32.47 | scarface | I just wrote the ext3 fs to my brand new HD, and now I'd like to see, if everythings fine? like free space on it, etc.... how to? |
| 19:32.54 | dimes | Please. Who would I talk to about some strange(possibly security related) behavior of apache on Sarge? |
| 19:33.03 | Sebulba02 | scarface: mount it? |
| 19:33.07 | jetscreamer | are you using im/ps2 in xf86config-4? you use a different one. |
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| 19:33.17 | jetscreamer | for a usb mouse, all i know |
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| 19:33.27 | scarface | Sebulba02 how can I check free space? |
| 19:33.35 | Sebulba02 | scarface: df |
| 19:33.40 | Azhrarn | dimes: run `reportbug apache-common` in your console |
| 19:33.42 | dimes | If there is a FAQ please point me in the right direction |
| 19:33.52 | jetscreamer | du == disk usage i think |
| 19:33.59 | Azhrarn | or whatever the appropriate package is |
| 19:34.01 | jetscreamer | dunno |
| 19:34.22 | dimes | Azhrarn: Even if it is a buffer over flow problem in apache-ssl? |
| 19:34.31 | Azhrarn | yeah |
| 19:34.33 | trovador | jetscreamer: i'm using ImPS/2, with /dev/gpmdata |
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| 19:34.48 | Azhrarn | or you can email the maintainer directly |
| 19:35.34 | trovador | jetscreamer: and the middle button works well with gpm |
| 19:35.34 | dimes | Azhrarn: how do I determin the maintainer? |
| 19:35.35 | Azhrarn | apt-cache show package name | grep Maintainer |
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| 19:35.36 | pole | i'm using 2.6.0 and devfs. when i plug in my usb hdd this is what i get -> http://setpyul.com/log |
| 19:35.52 | pole | anyone know what the device handle would be so i can mount it? i cant find anything relavent in /dev |
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| 19:36.30 | mwilson | dimes: If it's a problem in apache-ssl, then report the bloody thing against apache-ssl. |
| 19:36.47 | Justin__ | pole: you kinda need scsi disk support |
| 19:36.58 | pole | Justin__: i built that in my kernel |
| 19:37.04 | mwilson | pole: Uh, whyinhell are you using devfs? |
| 19:37.13 | pole | cus udev sucks |
| 19:37.19 | mwilson | Why use udev? |
| 19:37.20 | pole | and devfs works fine for me |
| 19:37.26 | mwilson | Devfs sucks far worse. |
| 19:37.53 | pole | cus i dont want to deal with creating all the devices by hand |
| 19:37.53 | Justin__ | pole: then it would show up in fdisk -l |
| 19:37.53 | mwilson | What devices would those be? |
| 19:37.54 | kjcae | Anyone here able to tell me why my machine takes like 10 seconds to shut down after the halt command says Power down. acpi_power_off called? and doesn't just immediatley shut down? do i need acpid possibly? |
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| 19:38.17 | pole | Justin__: i dont see it there... /me checking for scsi disk support |
| 19:38.30 | pole | mwilson: my usb hdd... and... um... |
| 19:38.49 | mwilson | Justin__: Gentoobie should forever be villified for making cluebies think devfs is an OK thing to use. |
| 19:38.55 | pole | Justin__: i have the module compiled for scsi disk |
| 19:39.11 | mwilson | pole: Oh? What device name is it that you somehow think you'd need to be creating for that HD? |
| 19:39.31 | pole | mwilson: i dont know, that's why i let devfs do all the naming |
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| 19:39.38 | mwilson | pole: And even if you did (which you don't) how is that worse than having no idea wtf the name of it is? |
| 19:39.59 | xenohugs | omg lol wtf |
| 19:40.06 | Serialkiller | fromat a disk for linux? |
| 19:40.13 | pole | mwilson: in previous versions of linux i was using it was something like /dev/scsi/bus0/host0/.... |
| 19:40.14 | Justin__ | !tell Serialkiller about ask |
| 19:40.39 | pole | mwilson: so i'm aksing what i'm doing wrong in 2.6.0 because i dont see anything anywhere |
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| 19:40.49 | mwilson | Funny... it's just usb-storage. It's just a SCSI disk. It's just a /dev/ entry that's always there unless you explicitly erase it. So what was it that you're going to create by hand again? |
| 19:41.06 | Serialkiller | ok i deleted the ntfs partition using fdisk, but all i am seeing is create a dos partition? am i useing the wrong software? |
| 19:41.34 | pole | mwilson: whatever... obviously the problem isnt in the scsi device naming, it's the driver itself |
| 19:41.35 | Justin__ | Serialkiller: what sofware are you using |
| 19:41.42 | Serialkiller | fdisk |
| 19:41.53 | Serialkiller | Justin__: fdisk |
| 19:41.54 | mwilson | pole: If you say so. You're the one who thinks he needs to be using obsoleted software. |
| 19:42.01 | Justin__ | fdisk in linux, or fdisk in windows |
| 19:42.09 | Serialkiller | Justin__: Linux |
| 19:42.15 | pole | mwilson: it is going to be in 2.6.x till the end, so afaik it is still ok to use |
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| 19:42.40 | flan | wow this debian thing is cool once you get used to it |
| 19:42.44 | sinclaird | if i want to use mysql for virtual users in postfix do i have to move the mysql socket to inside /var/spool/postfix <chroot> |
| 19:42.46 | flan | kinda anal though |
| 19:42.51 | mwilson | pole: OK to use in the sense that it's there, bad to use in that it's an utterly moronic way to do things. |
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| 19:43.00 | pole | mwilson: i read that it is going to be in 2.7 also, so it is here to stay for a while |
| 19:43.20 | Yan^ | hey people, can smb help with "cfdisk" command?? |
| 19:43.21 | Croepha | /usr/local/ is the place where you manually install suff right? |
| 19:43.31 | Covener | mwilson: little did you know you're dealing w/ quite the lkm insider! |
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| 19:43.53 | mwilson | Covener: Apparently. Shame he apparently understood so little of what he read. |
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| 19:44.52 | pole | mwilson: um, if you dont know the details, you shouldnt say things like "Shame he apparently understood so little of what he read" |
| 19:44.54 | mwilson | Covener: Although it's far more likely he read the crapfest on slashcrap. |
| 19:44.55 | Joona--- | What kernel 2.4 do I need to get? I have amd duron.. |
| 19:45.12 | scarface | Sebulba02 uhm ... I got a little problem. df reads dev/hde1 9440068 4275200 4685328 48% which is really irretating me |
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| 19:45.53 | karsten | pole: You've learned! |
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| 19:46.05 | mwilson | pole: I gave you the best help. Remove devfs. You don't want to do that, so go back to throwing dice trying to guess device names. |
| 19:46.13 | Joona--- | It gives me 100 different kernels and I can't even see them all on the screen so it's kind of hard to know what to take |
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| 19:46.29 | Sebulba02 | scarface: uh.. thats a newly formatted drive? how large is it? |
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| 19:46.46 | karsten | Joona---: Pipe through a pager -- less, more, most, etc. |
| 19:46.46 | Joona--- | What is the right 2.4 kernel for AMD duron? |
| 19:46.56 | Joona--- | karsten? |
| 19:47.05 | trovador | Joona---: apt-cache search kernel-image|grep k7 |
| 19:47.11 | karsten | Joona---: Do you know what a pipe is? |
| 19:47.20 | scarface | Sebulba02 it comes out of the box= brand new! It hasnt been formated yet (i guess) I wrote a ext3 fs on it. it'S sold as wd2000JB ... 200gb |
| 19:47.21 | Croepha | where can i manually install stuff that womnt interferre with apt-get?? |
| 19:47.28 | sinclaird | i need to move the mysql socket for chroot postfix. Do i change both client and mysqld in my.conf or just client? |
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| 19:47.38 | karsten | Croepha: /usr/local |
| 19:47.40 | mwilson | karsten: I don't like this dynamic device crap in general, and devfs is a bad example of it as well. |
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| 19:47.42 | Azhrarn | Croepha: /usr/local/* |
| 19:47.42 | Joona--- | karsten, apparently not |
| 19:47.50 | karsten | mwilson: devfs is shite, agreed. |
| 19:47.53 | Covener | scarface: and you created a ~200gb partition and formatted it? Was the partition the right size at least? |
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| 19:48.06 | trovador | Croepha: or just in your own directory.. just never do a "make install".. |
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| 19:48.30 | Croepha | karsten, Azhrarn: thx |
| 19:48.37 | scarface | Covener I never mentioned anything about size when doint mkfs or anything like that |
| 19:48.47 | mwilson | karsten: It's all about "gee, let's add ANOTHER level of indirection to no good purpose". |
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| 19:48.49 | Covener | scarface: you gave it a partition that it filled. |
| 19:48.50 | karsten | Joona---: In Unix/Linux shell, "a pipe" is feeding output of one program to another. '|' is the symbol. man bash And search 'Pipelines' |
| 19:49.01 | steve123 | hello, can you tell where i can find (which package) the "depcomp" file ? |
| 19:49.05 | test | hi, does anybody know how to make capiinit work with kernel 2.6.0? |
| 19:49.13 | Croepha | trovador: that wouold be great, but i need multiple users to have this file in there $PATH... |
| 19:49.16 | Justin__ | Joona---: if you want the one for durons, why aren't you searching for the one for durons? |
| 19:49.18 | evon | how do i rename a file in command |
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| 19:49.36 | karsten | Joona---: "apt-cache search kernel-image | grep k[67]" is piping output of an apt-cache search through grep, looking for any lines matching 'k5' or 'k5' |
| 19:49.37 | scarface | Covener well I plugged it in, and did a mkfs on it. guess theres no partition yet, huh? |
| 19:49.40 | karsten | Joona---: "apt-cache search kernel-image | grep k[67]" is piping output of an apt-cache search through grep, looking for any lines matching 'k5' or 'k6' |
| 19:49.43 | maru | test: passive card? |
| 19:49.44 | karsten | evon: man mv |
| 19:49.44 | Covener | evon: man -k rename will help you search |
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| 19:49.57 | evon | thanx |
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| 19:50.16 | Covener | scarface: that's your prob then I would guess -- cfdisk and create 1/some partitions then rerun mkfs on the /dev/hdxn |
| 19:50.24 | Justin__ | karsten: apt-cache search kernel 2.4 duron works even butter, but why would anyone bother searching for what they want ;) |
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| 19:50.30 | test | no, i have a teledat usb 2 a/b |
| 19:50.31 | Joona--- | karsten, ok |
| 19:50.33 | karsten | Justin__: OK. |
| 19:50.35 | JoePenguin | steve123: do you know what it is supposed to do? |
| 19:50.38 | CSMan | hey there, anyone heard about this Command Tribulation ? |
| 19:50.39 | scarface | Covener roger that ... please hold, oki? |
| 19:50.40 | sinclaird | does anyone know how to tell courier-imap i moved the mysql socket to /var/spool/postfix/var/run/mysql.cok? |
| 19:50.41 | woodrag | apache crashes with Segmentatin fault since last the update in the testing distro... am i the only one with thsi problem>??? |
| 19:50.42 | flan | stupid question: whereis the environment variables held |
| 19:50.48 | Covener | scarface: sure thing |
| 19:50.51 | Justin__ | !tell woodrag about bts |
| 19:51.07 | mwilson | flan: In memory where they belong. |
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| 19:51.08 | Covener | flan: many places, check manual for your shell to see what gets sourced |
| 19:51.12 | maru | test: hmm what drivers did you use with 2.4? |
| 19:51.14 | test | the old driver from teledat.sourceforge.net worked perfectly, but under 2.6.0 capiinit start fails |
| 19:51.19 | flan | lol |
| 19:51.28 | flan | thanks guys exactly what I expected |
| 19:51.34 | mwilson | flan: You somehow find that amusing? |
| 19:51.37 | maru | test: ah ok |
| 19:51.37 | steve123 | joepenguin: i don't really know but i'm trying to compile an app that require it. |
| 19:51.43 | flan | mwilson yes |
| 19:51.48 | scarface | Covener cfdisk ... I write it like this, right? cfdisk /dev/hde |
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| 19:51.58 | flan | mwilson you don't really think I thought you would answer that did you? |
| 19:52.01 | coolnewbie | does anyone know the opensource equalent of matlab |
| 19:52.03 | Covener | scarface: yes, as root |
| 19:52.04 | docelic | join #interchange,#fri,#amanda |
| 19:52.12 | scarface | Covener yep... ok |
| 19:52.14 | docelic | oh silly me.. |
| 19:52.26 | flan | :) |
| 19:52.37 | mwilson | flan: Ok, then you're stupid. You either (a) wanted to know where they were NOW, which I told you, or you wanted to know where they were created, which Covener told you. Which of those is amusing? |
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| 19:52.49 | ToreSB | What's an .shn file? |
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| 19:52.56 | scarface | Covener and a primary is needed only, if I'd like to have a single drive with all the space on it, right? |
| 19:53.06 | Covener | scarface: yes |
| 19:53.09 | test | i'm sure that the problem is not the teledat driver (named fxusb) itself, but capiinit. capiinit seems to have problems to detect the kernelcapi module |
| 19:53.19 | mwilson | flan: I suppose you wanted exact memory locations from me? Or you wanted him to guess what shell you use and what scripting you might be doing? |
| 19:53.20 | Covener | scarface: a single primary partition |
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| 19:54.01 | maru | test: hmm sorry can't help you then, I still wait for AVM to catch up ;) |
| 19:54.02 | flan | mwilson>> calling me stupid is stupidity in motion on your part not mine... I wanted to know the file in which they are kept idiot! |
| 19:54.12 | sinclaird | does anyone know hot to tell courier imap to look in a different place for mysqld-sockk>? |
| 19:54.16 | mwilson | flan: They're not kept in a single file. |
| 19:54.23 | steve123 | joepenguin : the app tries to access the file throught link that pointed to "/usr/share/automake-1.7/depcomp"....should i install automake-1.7 ? |
| 19:54.27 | docelic | #debian, interesting as always... |
| 19:54.28 | mwilson | flan: Where did you get the idea they were? |
| 19:54.32 | scarface | Covener ok he's through with that. now run mkfs.ext3 -L label /dev/hde1 |
| 19:54.44 | test | hmm, thank you. |
| 19:54.49 | Azhrarn | ToreSB: http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=.shn |
| 19:54.52 | Covener | scarface: sounds good to me. Was the partition around 190gblike you expect? |
| 19:54.58 | flan | mwilson>> well I figured that everything in linux is kept in a file somewhere |
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| 19:55.17 | ToreSB | Azhrarn: ty |
| 19:55.18 | flan | the computer doesn't just doesn't pull stuff out of thin air right? |
| 19:55.23 | Azhrarn | np |
| 19:55.32 | scarface | Covener uhm yea.. even 200, ... something. so guess that'S fine up to here |
| 19:55.34 | flan | it has to get configuration information from somewhere |
| 19:55.36 | mwilson | flan: Nope. Nor did anyone tell you that it did. |
| 19:56.06 | flan | ok maybe I am not being specific enough for you! |
| 19:56.11 | djw | I guess you use cdrecord for burn data to a DVD |
| 19:56.27 | mwilson | djw: Only if you don't want to actually be able to write one. |
| 19:56.37 | JoePenguin | steve123: run "tasksel" and select "C and C++" under the Development category |
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| 19:56.48 | flan | mwilson>> would you happen to know where the QTDIR environment variable is kept, so that I could edit it and tell make xconfig where to look for it |
| 19:56.53 | JoePenguin | steve123: that should give you lots of prerequisites to compiling stuff |
| 19:56.56 | mwilson | djw: Use dvd+rw-tools, or cdrecord-proDVD, or etc. |
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| 19:57.20 | mwilson | flan: More than likely, it's kept nowhere, unless you've added it to your shell init. |
| 19:57.30 | mwilson | flan: <shrug> So define it already. |
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| 19:57.40 | flan | mwilson>> I tried that |
| 19:57.40 | steve123 | joepenguin : ok thx |
| 19:57.47 | mwilson | flan: I doubt that. |
| 19:58.00 | flan | QTDIR=/usr/lib |
| 19:58.05 | flan | export $QTDIR |
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| 19:58.11 | flan | echo QTDIR |
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| 19:58.16 | flan | /usr/lib |
| 19:58.25 | djw | mwilson: as long as the tools exist I'm happy :) |
| 19:58.32 | Covener | Uh oh, someone's gonna get it! |
| 19:58.36 | flan | mwilson>> if you are going to just sit there and insult me then fuck off!!! |
| 19:58.53 | mwilson | flan: Ok, so you set it. What's the problem, then? |
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| 19:59.19 | tata | pole : thios is just logging not error |
| 19:59.32 | scarface | Covener ok mkfs is done aswell ... how can I check if it worked out fine? |
| 19:59.34 | kzar | Im trying to get my new camera working through usb, I found a bit of a guide at http://pto.linux.dk/Canon_PowerShot_A70_Linux/ , when I try the gphoto command thing I get an error about having to set a port or something , but I have no idea where to start. ive never really tried usb with linux before. |
| 19:59.42 | sinclaird | how do i make mysql use tcp and not a socket so that it will work with postfix chroot without a hard link? |
| 19:59.50 | Covener | scarface: mount it, df -h /mnt/hde1 |
| 20:00.07 | LoRez | sinclaird: read the documentation that came with mysql |
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| 20:00.39 | docelic | kzar, apt-get install gphoto2, then gphoto2 --auto-detect, and gphoto -P to get pictures downloaded |
| 20:00.49 | scarface | Covener he cant find hde1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab he's complaining |
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| 20:00.53 | sinclaird | LoRez: I am but it is several hundred pages! |
| 20:01.08 | Covener | scarface: you need to add an entry or provide all the info on the commandline -- and create the mountpoint |
| 20:01.09 | LoRez | sinclaird: use a search function |
| 20:01.14 | docelic | sinclaird, yes , and it has an index too :) |
| 20:01.24 | scarface | Covener oki, hold |
| 20:01.25 | maru | scarface: mount /dev/hd.. /mnt |
| 20:01.27 | neqm | having two linux distro's installed, how can one refer to the other distro kernel image in lilo.conf? other=/dev/hdaX? |
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| 20:02.08 | Covener | neqm: no, that points to a partition w/ a secondary boot loader (lilo installed to /dev/hdax) |
| 20:02.10 | docelic | neqm, not that way |
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| 20:02.24 | pole | Justin__: about that usb hdd problem, you were right... i load sd_mod and it works... i just dont get why it didnt load it automaticlly when it loaded the other modules |
| 20:02.31 | Covener | neqm: you can probably mount the /boot fs of the second distro temporarily and let lilo calculate the location of the kernel |
| 20:02.46 | sinclaird | LoRez: ok I will be more specific in my question. It appears to me that you have to recompile mysql to change from socket to tcp. Since I am using the debian packages is there no other option? |
| 20:02.53 | LoRez | sinclaird: no, you don't. |
| 20:02.55 | scarface | Covener maru df -h /dev/hde1 reads /dev/hde1 183G 33M 174G 1% /mnt |
| 20:03.01 | scarface | looks good to me |
| 20:03.06 | Covener | scarface: same here |
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| 20:03.14 | neqm | Covener: think so? that would be nice :) |
| 20:03.25 | kzar | docelic: the autodetect thing doesn't find it |
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| 20:03.30 | Covener | neqm: make sure root= is correct though |
| 20:03.35 | maru | scarface: a final test, send it to me and I test it for one year, just to be sure ;) |
| 20:03.48 | Covener | neqm: b/c it would differ from the 1st installs |
| 20:03.52 | scarface | Covener why are only 174GB availible for pure writing? is this usual? |
| 20:03.52 | kzar | docelic: (its a cannon powershot a70) |
| 20:03.57 | docelic | kzar, did you load usb-uhci or usb-ohci module, depending on your chipset? (find out with 'lsmod' command) |
| 20:04.02 | Covener | scarface: binary vs. base10 mostly |
| 20:04.05 | denkarhan | hi all, how can i escape from "modprobe: can't locate module char-major-5-2" message in my /var/log/syslog |
| 20:04.07 | scarface | maru lol nah, that wouldn't be such a good idea |
| 20:04.08 | docelic | kzar, yes I read, my brother has powershot a40 |
| 20:04.14 | scarface | Covener anything to do about it? |
| 20:04.49 | kzar | dpocelic: can I pm you the result of , lsmod | grep usb ? |
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| 20:05.31 | kjs3 | denkarhan: as I remember, you can add something like "alias char-major-10-??? off |
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| 20:05.37 | mwilson | sinclaird: Since when? |
| 20:05.42 | Covener | scarface: No, it's just that the sizes advertised on disk are counted as million bits = megabit, df by default (everything computer based really) is using 2^whatever bits |
| 20:05.44 | docelic | kzar, go for it |
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| 20:05.51 | kjs3 | denkarhan: as I remember, you can add something like "alias char-major-5-2 off" to /etc/modules.conf. Try that. |
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| 20:05.55 | woodrag | justin__: so what am i to do now... the new perl in testing crashes apache.... |
| 20:06.01 | lscd | Covener: and according to the standards, they're right |
| 20:06.06 | mwilson | woodrag: Don't use testing. |
| 20:06.08 | Covener | lscd: who is they? |
| 20:06.12 | denkarhan | kjs3: what's the mean of "off" after the module name. is it sth like /dev/null for modules= |
| 20:06.13 | kzar | docelic: there you go |
| 20:06.16 | lscd | Covener: disc manufacturors |
| 20:06.18 | woodrag | mwilson: too late |
| 20:06.25 | lscd | to use 2^n, it should be Mib, etc |
| 20:06.28 | Covener | lscd: i think it's more of a language issue |
| 20:06.45 | scarface | Covener ok... so everything's fine...? thanks man! |
| 20:06.50 | Covener | scarface:np |
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| 20:07.26 | kjs3 | denkarhan: off means to ignore attempts to load that module. |
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| 20:07.31 | maru | denkarhan: did you role your own kernel? |
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| 20:08.45 | woodrag | how do i find out why apache crashes with a segfault??? It doesnt log anything ;-(( |
| 20:08.57 | tag | I'm kind of confused |
| 20:09.12 | denkarhan | maru: exactly :D |
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| 20:09.29 | tag | with this ifup shit, its too automagic :P How the hell do I shut off dhcp? |
| 20:09.36 | maru | denkarhan: 2.6? |
| 20:09.53 | denkarhan | kjs3: himm thanks. but i think i embedded that module to kernel and some scripts are still trying to load them. it'll better to find them ;) |
| 20:10.14 | Aphrum | Is it recommended to build RTC into the kernel? when i boot into other OS's aside from liux the syustem time is always like 7 hours off, it's using like GMT or something in the bios? |
| 20:10.16 | denkarhan | maru: sure (100% home made pure kernel) |
| 20:10.31 | tag | Oh |
| 20:10.42 | Aphrum | like my linux time gets updates when i run ntpdate but before that the time it gets from the bios is like 6h ours off |
| 20:11.03 | woodrag | how do i find out why apache crashes with a segfault??? It doesnt log anything ;-(( |
| 20:11.05 | Covener | aphrum: read up on how your system uses rtc and timeszone |
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| 20:11.13 | Aphrum | Covener ok thanks |
| 20:11.16 | maru | denkarhan: did you enable unix98 pty support? |
| 20:11.19 | Covener | whoa |
| 20:11.29 | Covener | I was about to elaborate... oh well |
| 20:11.35 | denkarhan | maru: i'm not sure, how can i learn it from config file? |
| 20:12.00 | denkarhan | maru: i found it |
| 20:12.10 | maru | denkarhan: CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS |
| 20:12.13 | denkarhan | maru: i'm not compiled that extension |
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| 20:12.31 | denkarhan | s/'m not compiled/didn't compile/g |
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| 20:12.43 | maru | denkarhan: enable it and recompile |
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| 20:13.12 | denkarhan | maru: thanks, bur firstly i have to find it under make menuconfig :D |
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| 20:13.21 | _duncanmv | hallo anyone knows where to get a non-patched qmail-src? |
| 20:13.29 | the_faulk | hello |
| 20:13.34 | maru | denkarhan: device drivers -> characte devices |
| 20:13.50 | jsldub | quick question. woody does not by default support 2.4.x kernels. theres an apt source i can use to fix that,,, correct? |
| 20:13.50 | muncc2beo | I'm having a problem with DVD playback - it will "freeze" occasionally, for about 3 seconds. The sound will stop, and the video will freeze. Does anyone know of any solutions? |
| 20:13.50 | woodrag | how do i find out why apache crashes with a segfault??? It doesnt log anything ;-(( |
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| 20:14.19 | somiaj | woodrag: are you using sarge + modperl? |
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| 20:14.31 | woodrag | somiaj: yep |
| 20:14.37 | denkarhan | maru: thanks so much |
| 20:14.45 | maru | denkarhan: no prob |
| 20:15.02 | somiaj | jsldub: wrong, if you boot with option 'bf24' it will boot off of the bf2.4 kernel which is 2.4.18-bf2.4 you can install off of it. |
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| 20:15.30 | somiaj | woodrag: perl is broken in sarge, either disable mod-perl or downgrade your perl back to the privisous version, check the bts for more info. |
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| 20:16.20 | denkarhan | maru: also if you don't midn, i want to ask another question. linux 2.6 has seen my sound card (es1371) but ALSA's given such a message at boot time: "ALSA device list: No sound cards found." could you help me how to fix that problem? |
| 20:16.20 | somiaj | |helios|: nice you fooled apt...(: |
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| 20:16.35 | Joona--- | Ok, could someone now help me getting my usb mouse work? |
| 20:16.38 | |helios| | somiaj: ??? |
| 20:16.47 | woodrag | somiaj: thanx |
| 20:16.55 | Serialkiller | how do i create a ext2 filesystem in linux using fdisd? if anyone answered i didnt see it i had a visitor |
| 20:17.04 | somiaj | |helios|: he thinks your loged in as root, but it looks like a normal user account r00t to me. |
| 20:17.20 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 20:17.20 | mwilson | Serialkiller: You don't. Fdisk doesn't create filesystems, it creates partitions. |
| 20:17.22 | trumpetsailor | Anyone here know likely causes for exim using large amounts of processor time? |
| 20:17.26 | jsldub | somiaj: thanks, that is helpfull, but i want to use a custom 2.4.x kernel. |
| 20:17.28 | |helios| | somiaj: in fact,smone must tell him/it to stop |
| 20:17.29 | mwilson | Serialkiller: Use mke2fs. |
| 20:17.37 | Joona--- | I don't know anymore what to do.. I've tried almost everything |
| 20:17.39 | Serialkiller | mwilson: your write i need to create ethe partition, i mis sopke |
| 20:17.55 | maru | denkarhan lets see, you compiled the support as modules? |
| 20:17.58 | _duncanmv | so, nobody knows? |
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| 20:18.01 | mwilson | Serialkiller: There's no such thing as an "ext2 partition". |
| 20:18.05 | somiaj | |helios|: he is a bot, its just designed to warn people against ircing as root, though it apears the code is a bit buggy. |
| 20:18.22 | Joona--- | the device points to /dev/input/mice but that says no such device, though it is there.. |
| 20:18.29 | |helios| | somiaj: i know, in fact that's what i meant |
| 20:18.29 | muncc2beo | My ISP pulled their NNTP server. Can anyone direct me to a free one? |
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| 20:18.36 | scarface | Covener, I tried to add the hdd to fstab for automount on boot, but I get an error mounting it. how come? |
| 20:18.38 | Serialkiller | mwilson: i jsut killed mu ntfs partition, and want to use the disk for storage on linux... |
| 20:18.38 | trans_err | Joona---: cat /dev/input/mice |
| 20:18.39 | maru | Joona---: are you in linux or XP now? |
| 20:18.44 | Joona--- | XP |
| 20:18.46 | denkarhan | maru: no i embedded it to kernel |
| 20:19.01 | Joona--- | trans_err, cat'ing gave an error message |
| 20:19.02 | maru | Joona---: everyone will tell you to boot linux first |
| 20:19.06 | Braindead | Serialkiller: mke2fs is your friend |
| 20:19.13 | |helios| | now,to get to the quest...any one knows a good XFree4.3 package site for Debian/woody? |
| 20:19.14 | trumpetsailor | Joona: Try cat /dev/input/mice, followed by wiggling the mouse. If you get lots of random ASCII characters, you that /dev/input/mice is working.... |
| 20:19.18 | trans_err | Joona---: then it isn't there |
| 20:19.22 | somiaj | jsldub: you can either download a kernel source from kernel.org or apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.x, either way you should use kernel-package to make the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package then read the docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package. |
| 20:19.44 | Joona--- | maru, I can boot to linux, but sitting in front of the command line interface doesn't help me |
| 20:19.46 | maru | denkarhan: for testing things out its best to compile it modular |
| 20:19.48 | mwilson | Serialkiller: Then do so. Several people here have tried to tell you what to do, you've ignored them all. |
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| 20:19.53 | jsldub | somiaj: ok. thanks alot |
| 20:20.01 | trans_err | is there any reason why a iso I made won't work when on a CD, but will if i mount it from the ISO |
| 20:20.02 | Joona--- | trans_err, but I can see /dev/input/mice |
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| 20:20.12 | trans_err | Joona---: so can i |
| 20:20.14 | denkarhan | maru: i jsut wanted a best optimized kernel for only my machine. |
| 20:20.21 | somiaj | |helios|: you can try apt-get.org or backport(s).org, though last time someone came in we found all the sources were dead and haven't been remade since the compermise. |
| 20:20.27 | trans_err | Joona---: but i dont have a mouse there |
| 20:20.36 | denkarhan | maru: how can i learn the answer of my problem when i compile it as a module? |
| 20:20.38 | Joona--- | how do you get a mouse there? |
| 20:20.45 | cochonou | Hello. In C, what means the % operator in a conditional statement ? |
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| 20:21.04 | denkarhan | cochonou: the remaining when you divideto nums |
| 20:21.07 | maru | denkarhan: its easier to test, because you don't have to reboot every time you make a change |
| 20:21.07 | clown | cochonou: left-over after division |
| 20:21.11 | |helios| | somiaj: what about the projects/experimental packs? |
| 20:21.15 | trumpetsailor | cochonou: It should still mean the remainder/mod operator |
| 20:21.32 | somiaj | |helios|: you will only want to use those with sid as they depend on sids libs which is a major revision since woody. |
| 20:21.44 | trumpetsailor | cochonu: 5%4=1 5%5=0 |
| 20:21.46 | |helios| | is it advisable to use them for a radeon7000 |
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| 20:22.08 | scarface | in fstab, which kind of mount_fs is to chose, when trying to mount a ext3 formated hdd ? |
| 20:22.08 | Joona--- | trans_err, how do I get a mouse in /dev/input/mice? |
| 20:22.17 | |helios| | somiaj: in fact,im getting libc6 depend problems |
| 20:22.24 | engie | Hi. I'm using unstable, so I probably deserve this, but how does one go about debugging random system freezes? |
| 20:22.28 | cochonou | denkarhan, clown, trumpetsailor : thanks a lot |
| 20:22.29 | somiaj | |helios|: I would look into using the radeon flxgl (or somethign like that) module with what ever the current woody X is. |
| 20:22.35 | Sebulba02 | scarface: ext3 |
| 20:22.38 | michux | hi all. i have a problem with my laptop |
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| 20:22.39 | trans_err | engie: nvidia? |
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| 20:22.48 | trumpetsailor | Second try to the list (then I'll stop): My (otherwise properly configured) exim chews up 100% of my processor for about 30 seconds every fifteen minutes (when cron tells it to run). Any configuration changes I can make to ... |
| 20:22.49 | trumpetsailor | stop it from doing so? |
| 20:22.50 | michux | 32-bit IO_support doesnt work |
| 20:22.51 | spiekey | hello! |
| 20:22.53 | Gruhi | Hello, i have a net problem: i'm on cable and my ISP has changed it's gateway and dns, and now i can't connect to them. in windows it works with the new settings. what do i do ? |
| 20:23.03 | initech | engie: well, it's a bitch ;-) |
| 20:23.03 | Serialkiller | Braindead: hey bud thanks |
| 20:23.05 | scarface | Sebulba02 unfortunatly ext3 doesnt seem to work. I dont know why |
| 20:23.06 | engie | trans_err: Interesting question. I'm using the nv drivers. I've built nvidia drivers but they don't work. |
| 20:23.06 | |helios| | somiaj: ok,thanks... |
| 20:23.09 | somiaj | engie: random freezes are usually related to the kernel or a module in them (make sure the system is frozen though and not just X by sshing into the machine) |
| 20:23.23 | Sebulba02 | scarface: what error does it give? |
| 20:23.28 | michux | when i hdparm -c 1 /dev/hda1 is says: HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument |
| 20:23.30 | trans_err | engie: i get random freezes w/ the nvidia modules |
| 20:23.31 | trans_err | :D |
| 20:23.34 | _duncanmv | !qmail |
| 20:23.34 | dpkg | [qmail] a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. Bork, Bork, Bork |
| 20:23.35 | Braindead | Gruhi: man intefaces,man resolv.conf |
| 20:23.42 | initech | engie: the kernel debugging stuff can help, like magic SysRq key and so forth |
| 20:23.44 | michux | i have my motherboard compiled |
| 20:23.49 | _duncanmv | !qmail-src |
| 20:23.49 | spiekey | i cant install kde in debian unstable, cause of dependency problems. There is a package i need to download and install first, but i cant find it anymore :(( |
| 20:23.53 | michux | so i dunno what the problem might be |
| 20:23.56 | maru | michux: Why do you want to enable 32-bit support? |
| 20:23.57 | Joona--- | trans_err, can you help`? |
| 20:24.00 | somiaj | |helios|: I would try google, there are some nice howto's for the module, but since I don't have any radeon cards I have never messed with it. |
| 20:24.01 | denkarhan | maru: assume that i compiled ALSA as a module and now i want to fix my problem. what would be the first step? |
| 20:24.12 | michux | maru: because my hard drive works slooow |
| 20:24.21 | engie | initech: Hmm, that sounds fun. IS there any way to prod the kernel into writing a log before it dies? |
| 20:24.22 | trans_err | Joona---: how are you sure it needs to be at /dev/input/mice ... have you read/tried anything else? |
| 20:24.23 | |helios| | somiaj: neither I, i'm helping a friend of mine on line |
| 20:24.25 | michux | and also doesnt use DMA |
| 20:24.33 | scarface | Sebulba02 well he says on boot-up sequence, that he's unable to mount my hde1 |
| 20:24.39 | michux | and i guess it should work faster with 32 bit support |
| 20:24.44 | |helios| | but it doesn't seem to exist a flxgl module on google |
| 20:24.49 | maru | michux it works faster with DMA |
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| 20:24.54 | Sebulba02 | scarface: thats it, doesn't say why? |
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| 20:25.02 | maru | michux: what notebook what kernel? |
| 20:25.04 | michux | yes, but i have dma disabled |
| 20:25.18 | Joona--- | trans_err, someone told me it should be there. I read that you need to choose /dev/gpmdata, but I don't have that, even that I selected it with the x-server configuration |
| 20:25.19 | michux | notebook: compaq evoN1015v |
| 20:25.20 | Sebulba02 | scarface: let me see the fstab line. |
| 20:25.22 | michux | kernel 2.4.23 |
| 20:25.24 | initech | engie: the kernel is logging all the time. geting it to say something useful can be a problem, especially if it really is the kernel locking up, since most likely it is freezing before it has a chance to complain |
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| 20:25.39 | trans_err | Joona---: do you have the proper modules loaded for a USB mouse? |
| 20:25.46 | somiaj | |helios|: try /msg dpkg radeon and see if that is of any help. |
| 20:25.49 | trumpetsailor | Joona: It'll only be at gpmdata if you're running gpm. Otherwise it should turn up at one of the other devs |
| 20:26.12 | |helios| | good |
| 20:26.22 | engie | initech: d'oh. I'll remove the nvidia packages, see if that helps. Other possible suspects are the gpl nvidia network drivers I've patched in |
| 20:26.33 | engie | initech: (I'm trying out 2.6) |
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| 20:26.46 | |helios| | even Xfree webpage would't be bad at all :) |
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| 20:26.59 | scarface | Sebulba02 /dev/hde1 /home/scarface/syslinks/MP3_HDD_2_200GB_WESTERN-DIGITAL_JB ext3 gid=1000,umask=002,exec,dev,suid,rw 0 0 |
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| 20:27.19 | Joona--- | trans_err, I have hotplug and usbmgr installed, but don't know about the modules. I tried to install the mousedev module with modprobe but it said it can't locate it.. |
| 20:27.27 | trans_err | engie: nforce board? |
| 20:27.38 | engie | trans_err: yep :D nforce2 shuttle |
| 20:28.12 | trans_err | engie: how'd i know :D get rid of any nforce modules your don't need and/or can replace w/ others |
| 20:28.18 | amundsen | which will be the definitive version of xfree in sarge ? 4.2.1 or 4.3.0 ? |
| 20:28.21 | maru | Joona---: then its probably in the kernel |
| 20:28.22 | scarface | Sebulba02 is a line in /etc/mtab needed aswell? |
| 20:28.27 | Sebulba02 | scarface: try telling it to mount under /mnt somewhere.. |
| 20:28.37 | engie | trans_err: I haven't got any nvidia code in there any more, which is nice |
| 20:28.38 | maru | Joona---: what about the "input" module? |
| 20:28.41 | Joona--- | maru, I have 2.4.18 for k7 kernel installed |
| 20:28.45 | somiaj | amundsen: since 4.3 hasn't made it to sid yet, I would say 4.2, but I think it may still be up to debate. |
| 20:28.46 | Sebulba02 | scarface: no, don't need the mtab |
| 20:28.49 | scarface | Sebulba02 well doing mount /dev/hde1 /mnt works fine |
| 20:28.50 | michux | be right back |
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| 20:29.00 | Joona--- | maru, hrmm, haven't tried that |
| 20:29.01 | trans_err | Joona---: what about USB modules? modprobe hid |
| 20:29.08 | Gruhi | Braindead it's ok here. but i can't ping the new dns/gw :( |
| 20:29.18 | Joona--- | "hid" = module? |
| 20:29.23 | trans_err | Joona---: yes |
| 20:29.28 | Sebulba02 | scarface: make a dir under /mnt/ and mount it there, it doesn't like being in your home dir. probably permissions or something. |
| 20:29.30 | somiaj | amundsen: I belive x4.3 is at the last stage before being brought to sid, so it could also depend on how it works in sid, any major bugs/problems etc. |
| 20:29.32 | Joona--- | I could try that |
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| 20:29.52 | trans_err | Joona---: or modprobe usbmouse |
| 20:30.22 | tag | blak |
| 20:30.23 | Joona--- | ok |
| 20:30.30 | trans_err | Joona---: next time read |
| 20:30.32 | tag | anyone have postfix-tls setup? |
| 20:30.41 | Joona--- | next time read what? |
| 20:30.42 | bwlang | having some trouble with ssl config on apache2 - nobody around in #apache... so i thought i'd try here. |
| 20:30.45 | scarface | Sebulba02 I have changed some permissions stuff... can I recall /etc/fstab so that he tries again? |
| 20:31.02 | amundsen | somiaj, it would be a pitty that xfree 4.3 wouldn't be in sarge ... |
| 20:31.06 | trans_err | Joona---: fool around w/ your system it took me 2 seconds in modconf to realize what you needed |
| 20:31.22 | trans_err | amundsen: they'll be a backport |
| 20:31.23 | Sebulba02 | scarface: you can try, I suppose. |
| 20:31.29 | tata | what is your problem with apache |
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| 20:31.55 | somiaj | amundsen: why, newer isn't allready better, yes debian stable may seem a bit dated, but you know anything that eventally makes it in there will be mostly stable and secure which is the main goal anyways. |
| 20:31.56 | Joona--- | I couldn't find anything appropiate in modconf |
| 20:32.08 | scarface | Sebulba02 well I'll reboot, dont know how to do that |
| 20:32.10 | somiaj | s/allready/allways/ |
| 20:32.15 | bwlang | When i try to access the site i'm setting up i just get an error saying that the connection was terminated unexpected (from firebird) - in the access log i see "\x80g\x01\x03" 301 362 "-" "-" |
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| 20:32.29 | Sebulba02 | scarface: umount /device/ |
| 20:32.30 | amundsen | somiaj, openbsd 3.4 comes with xfree 4.3.0 |
| 20:32.45 | bwlang | i see nothing in the error log even though i have it turned up to "debug" level |
| 20:32.48 | _duncanmv | anyone knows if a vanilla qmail-src exists (non patched) |
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| 20:33.28 | scarface | Sebulba02 I just did this mount /dev/hde1 |
| 20:33.28 | scarface | EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option gid |
| 20:33.28 | scarface | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hde1, |
| 20:33.28 | scarface | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:33.37 | scarface | ouch sry |
| 20:33.59 | Sebulba02 | scarface: since its in your fstab, you can mount /label/you/assigned/it |
| 20:34.06 | somiaj | amundsen: well good for that, so do many other linux distros, debian just has other progitives than releasing the newest and greatest, it is also mostly run by volenteers so things don't always move as fast. |
| 20:34.31 | scarface | Sebulba02 same error |
| 20:34.33 | LoneTech | scarface: ext3 has ownership, being a native linux filesystem, so the gid option used to set group id for fat filesystems does not apply. |
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| 20:35.04 | Sebulba02 | LoneTech: ahh |
| 20:35.05 | simonrvn | scarface: please don't paste here, otherwise *boot* |
| 20:35.08 | briankeys | how can I list a directory's files to a .txt, JUST the filenames, no extra garbage? i cant seem to find the right combination of flags for ls |
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| 20:35.20 | simonrvn | briankeys: use wildcards |
| 20:35.34 | somiaj | amundsen: I am sure though if x4.3 doesn't make it into sarge by the time it stabelizes, there will be some backports made so you can still use it in sarge if you desire. |
| 20:35.36 | Sebulba02 | thought that looked weird |
| 20:35.53 | briankeys | simonrvn, right. i'm doing *.bsp |
| 20:36.03 | LoneTech | briankeys: it doesn't need any flags. names only is the default. or if you want only files, not directories, a weird find command can do it.. or ls -F piped to grep. |
| 20:36.05 | simonrvn | somiaj: rumour has it the next upload will be to sid, for 4.3 |
| 20:36.34 | woodrag | is there a way to recover a ext3fs disk with a broken journal? |
| 20:36.44 | simonrvn | briankeys: pipe it to less then :P |
| 20:36.44 | LoneTech | woodrag: yes. |
| 20:36.50 | somiaj | simonrvn: ahh nice, amundsen is just courious if x4.3 is gonna make it to sarge by the time it stabelizes. |
| 20:36.57 | briankeys | LoneTech, when I do it that way, i get ^[[01;32mdmc_war3a.bsp^[[0m |
| 20:37.03 | simonrvn | somiaj: that i have no idea |
| 20:37.09 | woodrag | Lonetech:Can you please tell me how? |
| 20:37.11 | _duncanmv | no 4.3? so sarge will be more or less an equivalent of a redhat 6.1. Cool woody was like 5.2 |
| 20:37.19 | LoneTech | briankeys: then your distro is brokenly forcing ls to use colours, rather than setting it to auto. |
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| 20:37.37 | LoneTech | woodrag: use e2fsck. |
| 20:37.48 | amundsen | _duncanmv, redhat 8.0 |
| 20:37.52 | briankeys | Oh! Right! I added an alias for ls to be ls --color ;) |
| 20:37.54 | briankeys | thanks |
| 20:38.03 | simonrvn | _duncanmv: didn't say that. BTW, debian has 11 arches in woody, 13 in sid. debian is the only dist that's porting xfree to *all* of them |
| 20:38.09 | LoneTech | weird. people think the xfree86 release defines a distro? |
| 20:38.10 | scarface | LoneTech meaning that I have to remove all the options? |
| 20:38.18 | simonrvn | _duncanmv: bughat has what, 2? |
| 20:38.26 | Sebulba02 | heh |
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| 20:38.47 | Serialkiller | IceBox:/home/systemadmin# mke2fs /dev/hdb1 |
| 20:38.48 | Serialkiller | mke2fs 1.27 (8-Mar-2002) |
| 20:38.48 | Serialkiller | /dev/hdb1: Not enough space to build proposed filesystem while setting up superblock?? |
| 20:38.52 | _duncanmv | simonrvn: I don't justify those release cycles just to satisfy a couple of geeks that use exotic cpus |
| 20:38.54 | LoneTech | scarface: any that are invalid for that filesystem, certainly |
| 20:38.55 | simonrvn | LoneTech: too fucking weird if you ask me |
| 20:39.14 | _duncanmv | that's why I use debian based distros and not debian itself |
| 20:39.26 | simonrvn | _duncanmv: oh so you're one of that kind of person that would drop support for 11 of those 13. grow up |
| 20:39.41 | scarface | LoneTech but what options make sense anyway? |
| 20:39.43 | _duncanmv | I love debian technology, but debian itself is not usable |
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| 20:39.55 | LoneTech | scarface: ever tried "man mount"? |
| 20:39.59 | _duncanmv | scarface: how much people use (%) the 11 of 13= |
| 20:40.06 | Sebulba02 | or pass 'defaults' to it |
| 20:40.10 | simonrvn | _duncanmv: you're full of it. so stop using debian then and leave |
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| 20:40.35 | DemonDuke | I have a radeon 9200 and trying to get it to work with X, but whenever i try a nd start X with it i just get (WW) Radeon: no maching device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0). Anyone have a suggestion on how to fix this ? |
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| 20:40.43 | _duncanmv | simonrvn: I use debian, I am not doing flamewar or trolling, just giving my personal opinion, sorry if that stroke your blinded heart |
| 20:40.48 | Covener | _duncanmv: how many ppl need the latest/greatest x11? probably a minority of desktop usersmuch less the rest |
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| 20:40.58 | simonrvn | Covener: exactly |
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| 20:41.18 | _duncanmv | Covener: we are not talking just about x11, each debian release have 2 years outdated packages for when it is out |
| 20:41.29 | _duncanmv | * all packages * |
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| 20:41.34 | somiaj | the main reason I see for x4.3 is for the few geeky people who have the newest and greates hardware, mainly graphics cards. |
| 20:41.37 | _duncanmv | I dont complain because you can choose sid |
| 20:41.38 | simonrvn | _duncanmv: that's a) old news, and b) is being addressed |
| 20:41.39 | Joona--- | trans_err, I couldn't install any modules with modprobe and in modconf I have barely few modules that won't help me at all |
| 20:41.39 | _duncanmv | and I do |
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| 20:41.49 | LoneTech | better than releasing a distro that can't compile the sources it's built from. |
| 20:42.10 | simonrvn | *quality* counts for more, IMO, agreed |
| 20:42.22 | LoneTech | I use 4.3 here, due to an old and unusual graphics chip. |
| 20:42.30 | _duncanmv | LoneTech: a distro released which supports hardware for the time it was started and not released, is useless |
| 20:42.31 | Covener | duncf: in my experiencethe trouble brought on by changing software is a few billion times worse than running older software -- security issues aside |
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| 20:42.47 | LoneTech | planning to try 4.3 or CVS for another machine with a newer only recently supported chip |
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| 20:42.53 | _duncanmv | bbl |
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| 20:43.03 | LoneTech | heh |
| 20:43.05 | duncf | Covener, ? |
| 20:43.17 | LoneTech | I disagree. a distro which supports existing hardware is never useless. |
| 20:43.18 | Covener | duncf: sorry lazy nick completion, was for _duncanmv |
| 20:43.24 | ganjasmoker | hello |
| 20:43.39 | somiaj | if its so useless why do so many people use it......bah. |
| 20:43.40 | ganjasmoker | how i can change the video card settings? |
| 20:43.53 | simonrvn | ganjasmoker: for? |
| 20:44.00 | somiaj | ganjasmoker: for X I'm assuming, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:44.04 | simonrvn | context, the problem, etc. |
| 20:44.37 | cochonou | or look into /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 20:45.03 | keith | I'm trying to install sribus 1.1.1 (not a deb package). It requires freetype2 & libart2. I have both of these installed. Yet it still complains that they are not there! 'elp! |
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| 20:45.20 | LoneTech | keith: install the -dev packages too |
| 20:45.24 | ddent | Do gigabit network cards need a crossover cable? |
| 20:45.29 | ganjasmoker | somiaj when i take higher settings i can't start startx |
| 20:45.32 | marijn_ | all the blah blah aside.. it is time for a new stable release... woody is getter rather stale smelling.. |
| 20:45.35 | ganjasmoker | must i install nvidia driver??? |
| 20:45.38 | ChrisW | hi, does anyone know how to do a recursive diff of two directories? |
| 20:46.02 | oskie | ddent: gigabit works just like 100 mbit... i have a gigabit network between my server and workstation, using a crossover cable |
| 20:46.03 | LoneTech | ddent: to connect without a switch, sure. note that 1000baseT cables have two more pairs of wires to cross than 10baseT or 100baseT. |
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| 20:46.28 | ddent | Well, I am hearing that gigabit is smart enough not to require crossover. |
| 20:46.33 | oskie | LoneTech: are you sure? you mean gigabit uses 4 pairs? |
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| 20:46.40 | LoneTech | yes. |
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| 20:46.46 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 20:46.48 | ddent | Yes, it uses 4 pairs. |
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| 20:46.53 | ddent | But still. |
| 20:46.54 | simonrvn | @tell Thorin about root |
| 20:46.58 | keith | The what? Do you mean freetype2-dev or something like? |
| 20:47.07 | ddent | I am hearing you don't even need crossover for what used to require crossover. |
| 20:47.10 | ddent | nic to nic, etc. |
| 20:47.21 | ganjasmoker | how i install nvidia driver? |
| 20:47.23 | ganjasmoker | for debian? |
| 20:47.27 | ddent | It will automatically cross it if needed. |
| 20:47.28 | |helios| | nice bots :) |
| 20:47.32 | Joona--- | What modules do I need to install to get my usb mouse work and where do I get those modules? |
| 20:47.32 | ddent | Or so I thought. |
| 20:47.37 | LoneTech | spent quite some time verifying that.. but some boards may have automatic crossing. whether they support *partial* crossing is yet another matter, though. try an ordinary cable. |
| 20:47.59 | woodrag | Lonetech:its recovering bad it has a lot of bad blocks and lost inodes...;-(( |
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| 20:48.03 | cochonou | Thanks for the help ppl, getting back to work |
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| 20:48.19 | LoneTech | joona: hid and mousedev, included with the kernel. |
| 20:48.43 | Joona--- | LoneTech, I tried modprobe hid and mousedev, and it can't locate either of them |
| 20:48.54 | DemonDuke | Been checking out google for a problem concerning Xfree86 and Radeon chips, now I know my chip is supported by 4.2.15, but when i try and run it using the radeon modul/driver i get the following error. (WW) Radeon: No macthing Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0). Now lspci detects my card as 01:10.0 VGA Compatible controller, ATI technologies Inc. unknown device 5961 (rev 01). Anyone got a suggestion on how to solve this. Been |
| 20:48.56 | LoneTech | woodrag: lost inodes are not quite as bad as it sounds - after all, they were found. bad blocks though would mean that disk is rather dangerous to use. |
| 20:49.13 | Joona--- | LoneTech, I have the 2.4.18 for K7 kernel version |
| 20:49.33 | keith | LoneTech: What do U mean by -dev packages. Sorry new to this. |
| 20:49.38 | woodrag | Lonetech: time to buy a new one.... |
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| 20:49.45 | LoneTech | joona: presumably you're still running a different kernel, then. try uname -a |
| 20:50.00 | Joona--- | what does that do? |
| 20:50.07 | ganjasmoker | hum what must i type in video card's identifier? <- xserver configuration |
| 20:50.10 | DemonDuke | it tells you which kernel you are running |
| 20:50.13 | LoneTech | keith: if there's a library foo, in package libfoo, there's typically a libfoo-dev package you need to build software that needs that library. |
| 20:50.17 | Joona--- | ok |
| 20:50.24 | woodrag | Lonetech: This one is already 4 years old... and running 365*24~ |
| 20:50.36 | Joona--- | At least it installed the new kernel, so you'd think it works |
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| 20:50.41 | ganjasmoker | hum what must i type in video card's identifier? <- xserver configuration |
| 20:50.59 | LoneTech | ganjasmoker: identifier doesn't really matter. |
| 20:50.59 | keith | LoneTech: So i would do this with dselect? |
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| 20:51.22 | ganjasmoker | ok then i leave blank |
| 20:51.33 | LoneTech | keith: yes, if you're familiar with dselect. you could also look it up with "apt-cache search" and install with "apt-get install" |
| 20:51.44 | ganjasmoker | amount of memory? blank or? |
| 20:51.57 | LoneTech | ganjasmoker: best left blank, normally. |
| 20:52.14 | keith | LoneTech: cheers, sorry for the dumb question :-) |
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| 20:53.59 | LoneTech | the 2.4.18-k7 package does have mousedev and hid. |
| 20:54.12 | ganjasmoker | can i restart from the console? |
| 20:54.19 | ganjasmoker | to test the new settings |
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| 20:54.56 | oskie | what package I should get for java in debian? |
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| 20:55.17 | DemonDuke | oskie: type apt-cache search java get the newest one |
| 20:55.29 | LoneTech | ganjasmoker: you can start a second X server rather easily. "X :1" will give you just an X server, to see if it starts and the mouse works. "startx -- :1" will run a full X session. normally it'll get assigned vt8 (ctrl+alt+f8).. and the X server can be exited with ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 20:56.09 | ganjasmoker | thanks you |
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| 20:57.07 | woodrag | somiaj: trying to find the downgradeprocedure @ bts but i am not familiar with the bts;-(( |
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| 20:58.24 | ganjasmoker | fatal server error: addscreen/screeninit fialed |
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| 20:59.05 | LoneTech | ganjasmoker: better read the messages. there will be a reason for the failure, you know. |
| 20:59.42 | anxia | hi |
| 20:59.48 | ganjasmoker | i have only change from 640X480 to 800X600 |
| 20:59.54 | ganjasmoker | lonetech dont understand the error |
| 20:59.58 | ganjasmoker | and dont understand why |
| 21:00.06 | anxia | can anybody help me with mozilla and flash plugin? |
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| 21:00.29 | anxia | i get two black lines rounding the plugin in every movie i see |
| 21:00.32 | oskie | anxia: installed flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 21:00.44 | anxia | oskie, yes |
| 21:00.44 | oskie | anxia: hmm, sounds like something you have to live with... |
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| 21:01.24 | woodrag | how do i edit the @inc? |
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| 21:02.10 | tag | god damnit |
| 21:02.11 | tag | Dec 28 13:02:31 blisted postfix/smtpd[1236]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
| 21:02.29 | tag | no matter what I put in /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf ... it seems to always produce that error |
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| 21:04.32 | woodrag | how do i edit the @inc? |
| 21:04.41 | tag | which @inc ? |
| 21:04.50 | streuner | tag: what do you have in that file? |
| 21:05.03 | Azhrarn | use lib? |
| 21:05.09 | tag | streuner: Currently - |
| 21:05.09 | tag | [3$pwcheck_method: auxprop |
| 21:05.09 | tag | mechlist: plain login digestmd5 |
| 21:05.19 | tag | err, minus the blunder at the begining |
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| 21:05.30 | tag | I've tried a number of configurations, including using pam |
| 21:05.32 | woodrag | tag: the one apache uses for finding perlmodules |
| 21:05.34 | tag | someone's custom 'pwcheck' |
| 21:05.36 | tag | some other crap |
| 21:05.43 | streuner | tag: pwcheck_method:pam? |
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| 21:06.02 | tag | woodrag: <Perl> use lib qw( /path/to/your/modules ); </Perl> |
| 21:06.14 | tag | (In your httpd.conf) |
| 21:06.37 | tag | streuner: Yes, thats how I went about trying pam |
| 21:07.22 | tag | same thing |
| 21:07.35 | woodrag | tag: where do i put thie? |
| 21:07.39 | tag | Dec 28 13:10:37 blisted postfix/smtpd[1477]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
| 21:07.39 | tag | blisted:/etc/postfix/sasl# cat /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf |
| 21:07.39 | tag | pwcheck_method: pam |
| 21:07.40 | woodrag | tag: where do i put this? |
| 21:07.46 | tag | woodrag: In your httpd.conf |
| 21:07.52 | tag | woodrag: need to see it again? |
| 21:07.56 | tag | :)_ |
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| 21:09.09 | tag | ah |
| 21:09.09 | tag | Dec 28 13:10:37 blisted postfix/smtpd[1477]: TLS engine: cannot load CA data |
| 21:09.20 | woodrag | tag: nope... but it does not work! |
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| 21:09.59 | tfb-chris | Hi, is anybody familiar with the nvidia problem, involving this error: "libGL.so.1: cannot handle TLS data"? |
| 21:10.31 | somiaj | tfb-chris: what does google say? |
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| 21:10.35 | marinos | i geta a strange error when i (re)start CUPS : Restarting CUPSys: cupsd/usr/sbin/cupsd: /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.7: no version information available (required by /usr/sbin/cupsd) |
| 21:10.54 | somiaj | marinos: check out the bts, that is bug is listed there. |
| 21:10.55 | tfb-chris | somiaj: Google says that other people are experiencing it in Sid, but doesn't list any solutions. |
| 21:10.56 | woodrag | somiaj: trying to find the downgradeprocedure @ bts but i am not familiar with the bts;-(( |
| 21:11.09 | marinos | somiaj: thank you |
| 21:11.11 | tfb-chris | somiaj: It seems to have been an issue since at least Dec 6. |
| 21:11.26 | somiaj | marinos: its the package libbnutls that has the bug |
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| 21:11.55 | somiaj | woodrag: I belive its a main perl package, but don't know which one, I've just seen others with the same problem and that is what was found out. |
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| 21:12.16 | somiaj | woodrag: to downgrade just get ahold of the privious version deb and dpkg -i <deb> |
| 21:12.17 | tag | woodrag: sure it does. |
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| 21:12.47 | somiaj | tfb-chris: hmm, well I haven't seen much or experienced it, so google is my only suggestion. |
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| 21:12.51 | Activez | hi, can anyone help me with console ? When i want to change the key map of the keyboard I always get: Deferring virtual terminal setup until console accessible. |
| 21:13.01 | woodrag | tag: no way... Can't locatie strict.pm in @INC! |
| 21:13.03 | nictuku | hi, i need to patch a source so it uses the dir specified by ./configure --datadir=foo, not the hard-set "/opt/foo". |
| 21:13.51 | fearl | nictuku: umm, maybe I'm a moron, but I don't see your question... |
| 21:13.52 | nictuku | where can i read some help about it? |
| 21:13.58 | tfb-chris | somiaj: Alright... Perhaps now would be a good time to learn how to report a bug to a maintainer. Is there a general way to figure out the email address of the maintainer of a given package? |
| 21:14.04 | tag | this is way whack |
| 21:14.09 | tag | why is it fsckedup |
| 21:14.18 | nictuku | fearl: fearl sorry, my english is bad. Let me explain it better. |
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| 21:14.49 | woodrag | tag: no way... Can't locate strict.pm in @INC (@INC contains /usr/share/perl/5.8.2) where i want it to be /usr/shar/perl/5.6.1! |
| 21:14.54 | somiaj | tfb-chris: report it to the bts directly, debian.org explains how, then that will foward the info onto the maintainer. |
| 21:15.08 | tfb-chris | somiaj: Cool, thanks. |
| 21:15.10 | tag | woodrag: if your perl cannot locate strict.pm, you have bigger problems than that. |
| 21:15.20 | somiaj | tfb-chris: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 21:15.25 | fearl | nictuku: you seem to have answered your own question... is --datadir=<dir> a valid argument? if so, you just compile as normal after that line.. I don't see a question |
| 21:15.46 | woodrag | tag: tryiing to dowqngrade perl in testing ! |
| 21:16.01 | woodrag | tag :its broken since this morning ;-(( |
| 21:16.02 | tag | woodrag: not gonna happen with deb packages. |
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| 21:16.35 | woodrag | tag :why? |
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| 21:16.45 | tag | I used to run 5.6.1 in testing, and it included building everything that I wanted to make use perl myself |
| 21:16.50 | Activez | hi, can anyone help me with console ? When i want to change the key map of the keyboard I always get: Deferring virtual terminal setup until console accessible. |
| 21:16.55 | tag | woodrag: mod_perl is built with the perl version from testing |
| 21:17.15 | tag | woodrag: yuo want t orun an old perl, you got to build apache, mod_perl, and your perl version yourself. |
| 21:17.25 | Aphrum | Is there any variable that gets set to the system IP address on boot, like any of the scripts in /etc/init.d do this possibly in the networking script? |
| 21:17.30 | tag | stupid keyboard |
| 21:17.37 | nictuku | fearl: not exactly. I need to change the source code because a certain variable is hardset. systemDir = "/opt/share/OpenMSX"; I've tried to compile it with the correct ./configure parameters, but obviously it didnt work. I checked with strace, and it is searching for this /opt/ dir. The problem is: how can i _patch_ a C project so it uses prefix/datadir? |
| 21:17.37 | fearl | Activez: you are doing dpkg-reconfigure console-common right? |
| 21:17.48 | woodrag | tag :;-(( It was working until this morning...; |
| 21:18.03 | tag | woodrag: Maybe, but it wasn't using the old perl version |
| 21:18.03 | Activez | fearl: yes, and then when finish it display this msg |
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| 21:18.47 | ganjasmoker | i cant change the colour more than 4 bits, whats wrong??? |
| 21:19.09 | ganjasmoker | must i install the nvidia driver? |
| 21:19.18 | Aphrum | Is there any variable that gets set to the system IP address on boot, like any of the scripts in /etc/init.d do this possibly in the networking script? |
| 21:19.21 | Kraig | too much ganja maybe |
| 21:19.28 | nictuku | no, the nvidia drive is for acceleration, ganjasmoker |
| 21:19.46 | nictuku | ganjasmoker: you can use the nvidia driver shipped with XF |
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| 21:20.00 | ganjasmoker | nictuku then why doesnt work? |
| 21:20.10 | marinos | somiaj: hmm is it possible to update the package libgnutls7 from sid just like that ? |
| 21:20.12 | ganjasmoker | 4bit color is not much ^ |
| 21:20.14 | Kraig | Aprum: are you talking about /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:20.20 | ganjasmoker | and its look terrible |
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| 21:20.34 | nictuku | ganjasmoker: well I thought it would work hehe. |
| 21:20.36 | ganjasmoker | i have choose vga, it this right? |
| 21:20.39 | Kraig | Aphrum: are you talking about /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:20.48 | ganjasmoker | have geforce 4 ti 4600 |
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| 21:21.20 | PirulaS | how I can install direct a sid ? |
| 21:21.26 | ganjasmoker | i have choose vga, it this right? |
| 21:21.29 | somiaj | marinos: its possible, but usally not suggested you mix dists unless you really know what your doing. |
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| 21:22.24 | streuner | PirulaS: sid/unstable is the developer branch of debian, do you think it is a good idea to start with that? |
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| 21:22.33 | ganjasmoker | nictuku? |
| 21:22.47 | nictuku | vga? |
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| 21:22.51 | PirulaS | streuner I always use a sid |
| 21:23.00 | ganjasmoker | yes, in the xserver configuration |
| 21:23.00 | Azhrarn | Real men run Experimental |
| 21:23.10 | PirulaS | but install woody and then upgrade to sid |
| 21:23.16 | nictuku | ganjasmoker: try 'nvidia' |
| 21:23.20 | PirulaS | now I would like install direct sid |
| 21:23.27 | ganjasmoker | k |
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| 21:23.54 | ganjasmoker | how i logout with console? |
| 21:24.11 | nictuku | to the console, you mean? |
| 21:24.20 | streuner | PirulaS: install a minimal woody/stable system with only base system, and install sid then... |
| 21:24.38 | Azhrarn | sid is a bit too much of a moving target to install directly to |
| 21:24.44 | ganjasmoker | no have log in with startx -- :1 but cant go to the logout button |
| 21:24.52 | Azhrarn | could do a netinstall of it I guess |
| 21:25.08 | keith | LoneTech: RE Scribus install- That got me through those errors ta. the config is now asking for the X includes. |
| 21:25.18 | ganjasmoker | can i startx -- :2 ? |
| 21:25.20 | PirulaS | Yes I would like net install direct sid, no woody and then upgrade |
| 21:25.31 | streuner | PirulaS: usually, if your NIC is supported from the beginning, you need only 2 floppies... |
| 21:25.47 | nictuku | ganjasmoker: kill the x server |
| 21:25.48 | snoke | i get error "source paragraph in control info file is missing Source line" when try compile xlibmesa-drm, how i fix it ? |
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| 21:25.58 | PirulaS | I have a realtek 8139 |
| 21:26.00 | Azhrarn | when you install woody, switch to a different console and edit your sources.lsit before it runs apt |
| 21:26.04 | ganjasmoker | killall xserver ? |
| 21:26.06 | Azhrarn | *list |
| 21:26.12 | ganjasmoker | then kill me too or? |
| 21:26.18 | keith | LoneTech: Is it asking me to mod the config file or add links into the directory? |
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| 21:27.08 | ganjasmoker | how is the command nikctuku? |
| 21:27.35 | nictuku | ganjasmoker: killall X |
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| 21:27.54 | ganjasmoker | hum i want only kill the other xserver |
| 21:28.20 | Azhrarn | ps aux | grep X |
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| 21:29.07 | ganjasmoker | how i can kill only the other xserver? |
| 21:29.23 | Azhrarn | find the pid |
| 21:29.24 | pngwn | ganjasmoker, lay off the dope and go read ;) |
| 21:29.34 | chimaera | anyone using lm_sensors on a shuttle barebone? when loading the bus-driver-module (i801). my fan is going full speed (normally regulated via bios..) |
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| 21:29.51 | keith | I'm installing Scribus 1.1.1 (not a deb) It is saying it connot find the X includes. Does it want me to create a link in the directory or mod the configure file? |
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| 21:30.31 | DeLeTe | hi |
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| 21:30.41 | bztunk | keith: do you have xlibs-dev installed? |
| 21:30.42 | ganjasmoker | pngwn do you have never need help? |
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| 21:30.52 | ganjasmoker | i must learn the commands |
| 21:30.56 | DeLeTe | i need help in order to config a pcmcia card NETGEAR MA401, can somebody help me ? |
| 21:31.02 | alem | how do i specify which modules should be loaded at startup ? |
| 21:31.18 | ganjasmoker | i know nobody that have linux ^ |
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| 21:31.41 | bztunk | alem: apt-get install discover |
| 21:31.42 | vipe | DeLeTe: have you compiled the required driver in the kernel of as a module ? |
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| 21:31.53 | DeLeTe | vipe, yes |
| 21:32.00 | vipe | DeLeTe: if there is a driver available |
| 21:32.07 | Conductor | hi all |
| 21:32.12 | DeLeTe | vipe my card is ok in the cardctl ident |
| 21:32.16 | alem | bztunk: why do i need discover? i just want it to load apm, so i can shut the comp. down |
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| 21:32.20 | vipe | DeLeTe: ok :) |
| 21:32.41 | DeLeTe | vipe, i haven't any eth1 for using wifi :( |
| 21:32.54 | bztunk | alem: because it will load the required modules for you? (well, i'm not sure about apm) |
| 21:32.58 | DeLeTe | (my englis is ..) |
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| 21:33.13 | alem | bztunk: it wont load it at startup :) |
| 21:33.39 | vipe | DeLeTe: have you installed iw-tools (could be iwtools also) |
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| 21:34.00 | DeLeTe | vipe, wireless-tools ? |
| 21:34.05 | iostream | vipe: I believe you mean wireless-tools |
| 21:34.11 | ganjasmoker | argh... fatal error: no screens found ?! |
| 21:34.13 | vipe | iostream: thx :) |
| 21:34.15 | keith | bztunk: I do now and it passed that one cheers... now it wants libz! The never ending dependancy war<sigh> |
| 21:34.16 | bztunk | alem: afaik discover has a init script, but whatever. I have no idea what you need in the debian kernel for apm |
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| 21:34.35 | bztunk | keith: then you use debian deps and don't complain... |
| 21:34.36 | DeLeTe | vipe, yes wireless-tools is install but ... |
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| 21:34.47 | vipe | DeLeTe: but... ? |
| 21:34.51 | DeLeTe | nothing .. |
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| 21:34.54 | InitMass | how do i burn vcd/svcd cds in linux? |
| 21:34.55 | iostream | DeLeTe: man iwconfig |
| 21:34.56 | alem | well why doesnt debian load apm by itself ? |
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| 21:35.11 | DeLeTe | iostream, i did it but the problem is not iwconfig |
| 21:35.18 | DeLeTe | it's with cardmgr |
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| 21:35.23 | iostream | oh okay |
| 21:35.46 | alem | should i change anyting in debains sshd config ? |
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| 21:36.02 | alem | i mean for security reasons |
| 21:36.12 | DeLeTe | i changed my /etc/pcmcia/config in order to have orinoco_cs when i plug my card |
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| 21:36.46 | DeLeTe | [root@debian:/etc/init.d]# ./pcmcia status |
| 21:36.47 | DeLeTe | cardmgr (pid 565) is running... |
| 21:36.55 | DeLeTe | it seam ok but: |
| 21:36.58 | keith | bztunk: b-b-but I want 1.1.1 not 0.6 :-) |
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| 21:37.47 | DeLeTe | i havent /var/run/cardmgr.pid |
| 21:38.02 | bztunk | keith: well, no idea what package you want, but you may want to download backports or using sarge |
| 21:38.08 | PhiberOptik | why does Debian Base System autostart everytime i reboot? |
| 21:38.13 | vipe | DeLeTe: 'll first configure my own card :) |
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| 21:38.29 | DeLeTe | ah ok :( |
| 21:38.38 | woodrag | is testing ever going to be stable? |
| 21:38.38 | ganjasmoker | how i configure my nvidia geforce 4 ti 4600 with xserver? |
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| 21:38.47 | petemc | PhiberOptik: have you just installed debian? |
| 21:38.53 | PhiberOptik | petemc: ye |
| 21:38.58 | streuner | PhiberOptik: you aren't finish with the configuration or/and aborted it in that process... |
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| 21:39.18 | PhiberOptik | streuner: well, ive done them all allready |
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| 21:39.23 | petemc | PhiberOptik: you need to go through that configuration as part of the install process |
| 21:39.29 | petemc | !tell PhiberOptik about ig |
| 21:39.32 | abraxas_ | how do i find out who to talk to if i found a broken package (php4-domxml) ? |
| 21:39.34 | evon | gothenburg rules |
| 21:39.36 | PhiberOptik | petemc: allready done that :) |
| 21:39.38 | tfb-chris | I've run into a problem with the current version of libc6. The bug has been reported, but for now, the only solution is to revert to an earlier version. But when I try to dpkg -i the 2.2.5-11 libc6 and libc6-dev .debs (which are the current version in stable, I believe), it doesn't work, complaining there's package conflicts. I don't suppose there's any smooth way to do this, huh? |
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| 21:40.10 | Sebulba02 | abraxas_: apt-cache show php4-domxml |
| 21:40.11 | simonrvn | woodrag: yes |
| 21:40.17 | abraxas_ | thank you |
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| 21:40.35 | PhiberOptik | petemc: if i run tasksel i see all things that i allready done :( |
| 21:40.46 | Sebulba02 | np |
| 21:40.50 | woodrag | simonrvn: i(almost) don't it anymore... |
| 21:40.53 | keith | bztunk: Actually I didn't even think about trying apt! How dumb is that. I'll give the older version (of Scribus) a run before trying the cover disk version <sheepish grin> |
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| 21:41.02 | PhiberOptik | i uses unstable in sources.list, that cant be the problem right? |
| 21:41.05 | simonrvn | woodrag: what? |
| 21:41.24 | pme | tfb-chris: How big of a reversion are you trying to do? A package revision (-12 to -11) or an upstream version (2.3 to 2.2 or something)? |
| 21:41.42 | streuner | PhiberOptik: no, reinstall or end the installation and configuration-process. |
| 21:42.12 | tfb-chris | pme: I'm going from 2.3 to 2.2, which, given the way you phrased your question, appears to be too big a leap (and I believe there's still 2.3 versions that work for me, I just need to find 'em) |
| 21:42.16 | evon | /bin/sh: part: command not found |
| 21:42.32 | evon | /bin/sh: : command not found |
| 21:42.35 | PhiberOptik | streuner: is there a way to just remove Base System Configuration to not autostart? |
| 21:42.38 | tfb-chris | pme: Any idea where I can find not-exactly-new versions of libc6? |
| 21:42.38 | evon | GNU bash, version 2.03.0(1)-release (i386-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 21:42.38 | evon | These shell commands are defined internally. Type `help' to see this list. |
| 21:42.38 | evon | Type `help name' to find out more about the function `name'. |
| 21:42.38 | evon | Use `info bash' to find out more about the shell in general. |
| 21:42.38 | evon | A star (*) next to a name means that the command is disabled. |
| 21:42.38 | pme | tfb-chris: It's possible, but yeah, it's a lot of work. |
| 21:42.43 | snoke | how i get radeon 9100 dvi output to work ? can anyone give a tip where start look info ? |
| 21:42.49 | streuner | PiberOptik: yes |
| 21:42.58 | tfb-chris | pme: Alright, I'll look around for a slightly more up to date version. Thanks! |
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| 21:44.02 | PhiberOptik | streuner: i just set the same things in tasksel now, it found 51 packages, maybe i should let it install them and see what happens :p |
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| 21:44.50 | PhiberOptik | uses netinst so takes to much time to reinstall now :p |
| 21:44.53 | alem | i just installed proftpd and when i try to run it, sais no certificate files found |
| 21:46.21 | simonrvn | alem: ignore it, unless it actually doesn't work |
| 21:46.49 | streuner | PhiberOptik: you install debian onto that box, you using right now? |
| 21:46.54 | initech | alem: unless you're actually running an ssl ftp server, don't worry about it |
| 21:46.58 | PhiberOptik | streuner: yup |
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| 21:47.13 | alem | should i change something to the conf file? |
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| 21:47.49 | alem | i mean for security reasons |
| 21:48.07 | muncc2beo | Is there a package that contains the modutils for the 2.6.0 kernel, or will I have to compile? |
| 21:48.37 | streuner | PhiberOptik: comment 'unconfigured.sh' in /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 21:48.42 | Justin__ | !tell muncc2beo about 2.6 problems |
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| 21:48.47 | bztunk | muncc2beo: module-init-tools |
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| 21:48.58 | PhiberOptik | streuner: k, ty |
| 21:49.09 | streuner | PhiberOptik: if it's not working, don't tell us anything then... |
| 21:49.26 | PhiberOptik | :) |
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| 21:49.58 | muncc2beo | Justin__: I asked a debian-related question, Justin__ |
| 21:50.06 | muncc2beo | bztunk: so I just install that, and I'm set? |
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| 21:51.19 | hinjo | tell me about ask |
| 21:51.24 | Diamondcite | while dpkg was on KDM's --configure I saw "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 30". How would I go about dealing with this? |
| 21:51.28 | hinjo | ~tell me about ask |
| 21:51.33 | Justin__ | muncc2beo: and funny how the factoid contained your answer |
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| 21:52.20 | muncc2beo | Justin__: I'm not asking for kernel help, per se, I just want to know if the debian-supplied package for sarge is all I need, or if I need to build my own from source |
| 21:52.42 | Justin__ | muncc2beo: and lookie, the factoid told you to install the package |
| 21:53.04 | muncc2beo | Justin__: ok, its obvious that the bots are smarter and more helpful than you ;) |
| 21:53.12 | Sinistrad | Diamondcite, there's a patch at bugs.debian.org/kdm |
| 21:53.18 | Justin__ | !+factinfo 2.6 problems |
| 21:53.18 | dpkg | 2.6 problems -- created by Justin_ <~justin@H250-136.FREEDOM.RESNET.ALBANY.EDU> at Sun Dec 21 01:12:25 2003 (7 days); it has been requested 27 times, last by Justin__, 1m 14s ago. |
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| 21:53.56 | tag | why is this such a pain |
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| 21:54.20 | tag | what package does saslauthd come with / |
| 21:54.23 | tag | ? |
| 21:54.30 | Justin__ | !tell tag about search |
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| 21:54.41 | tag | Justin__: I already did that, thanks |
| 21:54.46 | tag | its not obvious or I wouldn't be asking |
| 21:54.47 | Justin__ | tag: thank you for lying |
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| 21:54.52 | tag | I'm not lying |
| 21:55.05 | Justin__ | actually read the factoid |
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| 21:55.33 | tag | well except the apt-file shit |
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| 21:55.59 | Justin__ | "shit"? |
| 21:56.08 | trovador | anyone here use cdrecord with and ide cd writer in a 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:56.08 | ljlane | the exception makes all the difference |
| 21:56.10 | tag | yes "shit" |
| 21:56.15 | Justin__ | i see, so you ask a question, and the answer is "shit"? |
| 21:56.17 | tag | that didn't do it for me either |
| 21:56.21 | tag | blisted:/home/tag# apt-file search saslauthd |
| 21:56.21 | tag | blisted:/home/tag# |
| 21:56.22 | Justin__ | uh huh |
| 21:56.30 | Justin__ | try doing what the factoid says |
| 21:56.36 | streuner | !tell tovador about ask |
| 21:56.44 | tag | To find a package based |
| 21:56.45 | tag | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.58 | Justin__ | !+find saslauthd |
| 21:57.04 | petemc | run apt-file update |
| 21:57.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'saslauthd' (1 shown): (/etc/init.d/saslauthd, /etc/default/saslauthd, /usr/sbin/{saslauthd|testsaslauthd}) in utils/sasl2-bin. |
| 21:57.41 | tag | hot |
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| 21:57.54 | namirhaA | ok |
| 21:58.01 | trovador | i can't burn cd's in kernel 2.6, i removed the scsi emulation (as it is deprecated?) but still can't get it to work.. can some1 help me? |
| 21:58.15 | namirhaA | i vote all fagot linux users be booted, yes. all u rude users should die. |
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| 21:58.21 | namirhaA | heh |
| 21:58.25 | namirhaA | please do not be arrogant |
| 21:58.27 | namirhaA | THX |
| 21:58.31 | streuner | petemc: i wondered the whole day, why i got no results at all with that command.... ;-) |
| 21:58.44 | namirhaA | *ahem* Justin__ |
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| 21:59.07 | ljlane | namirhaA, say something nice or nothing at all, please |
| 21:59.07 | streuner | petemc: apt-file search foo |
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| 21:59.24 | petemc | streuner: yeah, need to get the contents file :) |
| 21:59.36 | tag | Yea I'm probably being a prick sorry about that, but I'm getting fucking pissed I've been screwing with this piece of crap all morning, followed 7 different tutorials, read like 40 goddamn usenet threads and I'm still stumbling on the same damn error. |
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| 21:59.42 | namirhaA | ljlane, im tired of these arrogant people who try to make themselves higher than others just because they know a few text commands someone else made :) |
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| 21:59.48 | Jymmm | Does anyone know of any projects for the purpose of collecting, storing, updating, and indexing of raw data in various formats? I've been trying SF and FM but not having much luck. Note, this is LARGE amounts of data, the whole collection being in the TB's. Any ideas would be appreciated. |
| 22:00.02 | ljlane | namirhaA, and I tire of rude whiners |
| 22:00.07 | namirhaA | gj |
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| 22:00.22 | muncc2beo | tag: switch to fedora. |
| 22:00.37 | scarface | I have just installed a new kernel and now I am not able to do startx. he fails to load several modules and is not able to initialize the nvidia kernel module. it worked fine, before I installed the new kernel. |
| 22:00.42 | tag | fedora? |
| 22:00.42 | namirhaA | If your going to be rude, goto efnet #linux, nice people only here thanks :)_ |
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| 22:01.01 | Azhrarn | did you recompile the modules? |
| 22:01.15 | muncc2beo | tag: based on redhat |
| 22:01.20 | tag | muncc2beo: No thank you |
| 22:01.27 | scarface | Azhrarn if you mean me, no I didnt. |
| 22:01.30 | JoePenguin | scarface: maybe you forgot to enable AGP or some video-related module |
| 22:01.34 | tag | I'd rather not use linux than use anything like that. |
| 22:01.35 | Justin__ | namirhaA: funny, i was going to tell you how to burn cds, but since now you called me names I won't |
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| 22:01.54 | Azhrarn | you may need to, especially the nvidia one |
| 22:01.57 | scarface | JoePenguin well I didnt touch the configuration file |
| 22:02.02 | beardy | scarface: you have to recompile the nvidia-modules after installing a new kernel |
| 22:02.11 | _diego_ | scarface: argh. Go to #nvidia now! :) Sorry: you should reinstall nvidia driver, becouse they are kernel version dependent.... |
| 22:02.18 | scarface | beardy how do I do that? |
| 22:02.21 | muncc2beo | namirhaA: I wouldn't worry about it too much, Justin__ only knows how to make the bots talk |
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| 22:02.28 | Justin__ | !+factinfo search |
| 22:02.28 | dpkg | search -- last modified 23h 30m 21s ago by Justin_!~justin@H250-136.FREEDOM.RESNET.ALBANY.EDU; it has been requested 5 times, last by streuner, 2m 17s ago. |
| 22:02.30 | Jymmm | Justin__: That's not very nice... namirhaA... Just grab yourself some denatured alchohol and some strike-anywhere matches and... |
| 22:02.43 | Justin__ | yeah, I only know "how to make the bots talk" |
| 22:02.49 | petemc | muncc2beo: thats unfortunately not true, as rude as he can be Justin__ knows his shit |
| 22:02.52 | Justin__ | nevermind that I told them what to say in the first place |
| 22:03.25 | muncc2beo | petemc: yeah, but he also fits the "debian guru" stereotype |
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| 22:03.57 | beardy | scarface: if you are using the Nvidia-foobar-####.sh, run it again. |
| 22:04.16 | JoePenguin | scarface: i second what beardy said |
| 22:04.17 | tag | *sigh* |
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| 22:05.07 | tag | Anyone use postfix and sasl? |
| 22:05.10 | ChrisH | Does anyone know a document on how to migrate from freeswan/woody to the new ipsec implementation in the 2.6.0 kernel? |
| 22:05.14 | ChrisH | tag: yes |
| 22:05.23 | _diego_ | scarface: really, you should go to #nvidia and reading the topic. |
| 22:06.04 | tag | ChrisH: Cool, I'm having trouble getting postfix to listen to me and use saslauthd (Or anything else). My /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf includes (currently): |
| 22:06.04 | tag | pwcheck_method: saslauthd |
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| 22:06.18 | ChrisH | tag: Woody or Sid/Sarge? |
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| 22:06.30 | tag | ChrisH: Sid/Sarge (unstable) |
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| 22:06.46 | tag | saslauthd is configured to use pam, and its up and running |
| 22:06.54 | ChrisH | tag: Add "mech_list: PLAIN LOGIN" to the smtpd.conf |
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| 22:07.26 | ChrisH | tag: And if you don't want to move postfix out of the chroot jail you better add >PARAMS="-m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/mux"< to the /etc/init.d/saslauthd |
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| 22:07.46 | tag | ChrisH: They are already there, but just incase its case sensitive lemme try it. |
| 22:08.19 | ChrisH | tag: Don't forget the PLAIN line! |
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| 22:08.22 | tag | I didn't |
| 22:08.26 | tag | same story though |
| 22:08.44 | ChrisH | tag: What exactly is the problem? |
| 22:08.47 | tag | Dec 28 14:11:40 blisted postfix/smtpd[1192]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
| 22:09.09 | ChrisH | tag: Install libsasl2-modules |
| 22:09.29 | tag | hurm |
| 22:09.44 | ChrisH | tag: You are missing the mechs in /usr/lib/sasl2... |
| 22:09.59 | Hyber | Is there a site where I can see the status of the Debian servers? Im having problems connecting to some of the US servers including security.debian.org and some people.debian.org sites.. |
| 22:10.02 | run_apt | how do i check to see what package a file is in? using apt tools, preferable (i know you can ask one of the bots on here though) |
| 22:10.16 | tag | Awsome |
| 22:10.20 | ChrisH | run_apt: apt-file or "dpkg -S" |
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| 22:10.22 | petemc | !tell run_apt about search |
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| 22:10.33 | tag | ChrisH: Thanks a ton man |
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| 22:10.48 | ChrisH | tag: Took me a week. Just figured it out during christmas. A howto is coming soon. :) |
| 22:11.11 | run_apt | petemc: excellent... |
| 22:11.23 | ChrisH | tag: I was flamed on the postfix-users mailing list because this ought to be trivial and done within 30 minutes. Perhaps I'm too dumb. ;) |
| 22:11.32 | tag | its still not working but it may be soon. |
| 22:11.43 | tag | ChrisH: Well no sasl has *always* been a pain in the ass for no good reason. |
| 22:12.17 | ChrisH | tag: Keep in mind that you can't currently use encrypted passwords while doing SMTP AUTH and using the saslauthd. |
| 22:12.23 | ChrisH | tag: Only using a local sasldb2 can do that. |
| 22:12.54 | run_apt | ok, why might apt-file search bsetbg be turning up nothing? |
| 22:13.09 | run_apt | the bots here find it ok... |
| 22:13.32 | zinx | run_apt: you probably need to update. |
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| 22:13.58 | run_apt | zinx: i'm running testing, and i just downloaded apt-file... i just ran update, dist-upgrade as well... what else do i need to upgrade? |
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| 22:15.30 | run_apt | is there a tool that will find something like bsetbg (what package its a part of, that is? I know blackbox/fluxbox, but as an example) if i don't have that package installed? or am i doing something wrong with apt-file? |
| 22:16.01 | streuner | !find bsetbg |
| 22:16.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bsetbg' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/bsetbg) in x11/blackbox,x11/fluxbox ;; (/usr/share/doc/blackbox/README.bsetbg.gz) in x11/blackbox. |
| 22:16.15 | JoePenguin | run_apt: auto-apt search file works for me |
| 22:16.45 | streuner | !wmsetbg |
| 22:16.45 | dpkg | wmsetbg is probably included with the Windowmaker source. http:://www.windowmaker.org |
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| 22:18.05 | run_apt | JoePenguin: I'd rather not have auto-apt... any other ideas? |
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| 22:18.32 | run_apt | streuner: like i said, i know how to find a package with the bots here, and i know where bsetbg is... i want to find files without irc... |
| 22:18.40 | satanik | how can i download file with apt-get and no install it? |
| 22:18.48 | simonrvn | -d |
| 22:18.57 | streuner | run_apt: apt-file update :P |
| 22:19.27 | Azhrarn | can't auro apt search files in packages without installing as well? |
| 22:19.34 | Azhrarn | *auto |
| 22:19.59 | satanik | simonrvn> i use apt-get -d source gkrellm but i download the source and i want .deb |
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| 22:20.09 | bztunk | aww |
| 22:20.17 | run_apt | streuner: i think that will fix it... thanks... need to read mans of packages that i've never seen before... |
| 22:20.22 | bztunk | only gcc update today :( |
| 22:20.29 | bztunk | satanik: then don't use source |
| 22:20.38 | run_apt | streuner: yes, excellent. |
| 22:20.56 | intero | how can i download a source package from deb-src? |
| 22:21.13 | satanik | bztunk> i had test but it cant download |
| 22:21.29 | satanik | bztunk> apt-get -d gkrellm? |
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| 22:22.05 | pme | intero: man apt-get |
| 22:22.07 | bztunk | satanik: maybe, or apt-get install -d, not sure |
| 22:22.13 | streuner | intero: apt-get source |
| 22:22.21 | intero | thanks streuner |
| 22:22.39 | simonrvn | satanik: apt-get -d install... |
| 22:22.48 | simonrvn | satanik: man apt-get |
| 22:22.49 | petemc | satanik: querybts 115953 |
| 22:23.04 | satanik | bztunk> i have tested apt-get install -d but it dont want download because is already installed |
| 22:23.30 | petemc | satanik: read the bug report i just told you about |
| 22:24.08 | bztunk | hum |
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| 22:24.19 | bztunk | dpkg/apt should have a link to the bts |
| 22:24.21 | satanik | petemc> i received Sorry, gkrellm is already the newest version |
| 22:24.33 | petemc | satanik: huh? |
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| 22:24.52 | satanik | petemc> when i use apt-get -d install gkrellm |
| 22:24.52 | petemc | 22:22 < petemc> satanik: querybts 115953 |
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| 22:25.38 | Taibor | hi people... any1 with an HPT 370 here? |
| 22:25.40 | Steve-l | i just installed debian on my laptop and for somereason it installed everything fine but its all old versions, is this due to packages.debian.org being down? |
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| 22:26.02 | mark | hi all, i force installed a package (missing dependancies) and now no other packages will apt-get install because it complains that the package i installed with force-depends is missing. how can i tell it to not worry about it? |
| 22:26.14 | Taibor | apt: tell me about hpt |
| 22:26.31 | mark | Taibor, you can just /msg apt hpt for that |
| 22:26.52 | Taibor | mark: i wanted to know that i tried it..... 8( |
| 22:26.57 | Taibor | s/(/)/ |
| 22:27.01 | petemc | Steve-l: run apt-get update against a debian mirror, tho be warned debian stable does have what can be considered old packages |
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| 22:27.25 | chlunde | Can I start an intepreter such as python in a split window in vim? |
| 22:27.36 | ljlane | mark, remove the package you force installed or provide the dependencies it needs |
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| 22:28.20 | Steve-l | petemc: okay, i tried a few but i mean i installed xchat and it installed 1.8.9 when i can ftp into the mirror and see that there is a 2.0.5 deb in there |
| 22:28.24 | mark | ljlane, no, I don't want to do either of those |
| 22:28.31 | mark | ljlane, hence forcing this install in the first place |
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| 22:28.43 | petemc | Steve-l: apt-cache policy xchat |
| 22:28.46 | ljlane | mark, good luck |
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| 22:31.53 | thejaunt | hello |
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| 22:32.28 | tam | anyone got any suggestions on a good news reader program? |
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| 22:32.58 | pme | trn 3.6 was excellent, 4.x did weird things to it. I'm told slrn is also good. |
| 22:33.08 | simon_ | tam: slrn |
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| 22:33.27 | tam | thanks guys |
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| 22:33.47 | pme | I haven't had time for Usenet in five or six years, so for all I know trn/slrn are completely different now. |
| 22:33.49 | Steve-l | petemc: strange apt-cache policy xchat only shows 1.8.9 in the version table but there clearly is a newer version in the ftp |
| 22:33.57 | dob | hi |
| 22:34.13 | Sebulba02 | unstable probably |
| 22:34.21 | dasunt | slrn is nice. |
| 22:34.45 | dob | i have a problem with foomatc-filters, it stop when i try to install it |
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| 22:34.48 | shaddai | slrn 0wnZ |
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| 22:35.42 | dob | i find nothing on bugs.debian.org |
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| 22:36.15 | dob | it stop at "==> File also in package provided by package maintainer. What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: etc etc" every option stop |
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| 22:37.29 | matte | hey |
| 22:38.18 | matte | Sebulba02: hey there |
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| 22:38.30 | Sebulba02 | uh, hello |
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| 22:38.49 | matte | got the mouse working correct yet? |
| 22:38.59 | pme | GAH. I'd just like to announce that libtool can lick my left testicle. |
| 22:39.09 | Sebulba02 | nah, but I emailed a someone who claimed they got my exact model working for some help |
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| 22:39.19 | matte | cool |
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| 22:39.26 | matte | hope it works out for ya |
| 22:39.35 | Sebulba02 | we'll see |
| 22:39.41 | matte | what's your model then? |
| 22:39.55 | dob | no ok, my error, on bugs.debian.org there is the error, and there is a patch |
| 22:40.00 | dob | how can i use this patch ? |
| 22:40.09 | Sebulba02 | logitech cordless elite duo |
| 22:40.16 | dob | have i to download the package and then apply the patch ? |
| 22:40.19 | matte | okay...not the same as mine |
| 22:40.44 | Sebulba02 | do a google search for 'cordless mouse' and go through the results |
| 22:40.44 | pme | dob: Is it a recent patch? You might just wait for the Debian package maintainer to use it and release a new package. |
| 22:41.08 | Sebulba02 | thats probably your best bet |
| 22:41.19 | matte | hmm...i will do that someday... |
| 22:41.25 | Sebulba02 | heh |
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| 22:41.42 | matte | i manage to make things work on two other computer, but they didn't have cordless |
| 22:41.46 | dob | pme: ok i can wait for the new package, but now my package is ok right ? it was just installed, the problem is to upgrade it |
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| 22:42.41 | muncc2beo | Am I allowed to ask about howto make sound work on a 2.6.0 kernel? I compiled in my driver |
| 22:42.47 | Sebulba02 | dunno man, it just takes messing with your X config until you find something works or you get sick of it and use a wired mouse |
| 22:42.56 | matte | can i make any user able to reboot the system? |
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| 22:43.18 | matte | i bet the answer is yes...but i wonder how ;) |
| 22:43.21 | Sebulba02 | sure |
| 22:43.44 | pme | dob: I have no idea whether your package is okay. I'm not telepathic. :-) If you want, you csn download the package source (apt-get source), apply the patch, build your own .deb package, watch in annoyance as the package build script removes the source tree, unoackas it from scratch, removing your freshly-applied patch, and builds a useless .deb. Then you'll decide to just wait for a new release. :-) |
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| 22:43.52 | Sebulba02 | at least i thought so |
| 22:44.00 | scarface | _diego_ r u there? |
| 22:44.09 | pme | matte: Put the root password in /etc/motd. :-) |
| 22:44.16 | simonrvn | eew |
| 22:44.17 | Sebulba02 | lol |
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| 22:44.26 | matte | don't sound good to me hehe |
| 22:44.52 | pme | matte: Probably you can do something with sudo. |
| 22:44.55 | simonrvn | not a good idea really... but man sudo man sudoers man visudo |
| 22:44.56 | Sebulba02 | read the shutdown man page. |
| 22:45.11 | Sebulba02 | I recall something in there |
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| 22:45.33 | dob | pme: ok it is better to wait :) |
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| 22:46.31 | djw | how do you put a hold on a package? |
| 22:46.32 | simonrvn | install a grsec'd kernel, and *then* put the root passwd in /etc/motd. and then watch them freak bwahahaha |
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| 22:46.41 | pme | dob: More seriously, you can actually build your own package, but it will depend on whether the package maintainer has written a crappy rules file or not. No way to tell without getting the source and looking. |
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| 22:46.47 | simonrvn | @+hold |
| 22:46.51 | docelic | djw, echo pkgname | dpkg --set-selections |
| 22:46.51 | ravenbird | [hold] a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, or 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold |
| 22:46.56 | simonrvn | djw: ^^^ |
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| 22:47.17 | djw | why when I ask apt or dpkg they don't give me an answer like ravenbird does |
| 22:47.41 | matte | thanks...found something intresting there :) |
| 22:47.42 | simonrvn | probably because someone has stupidly messed with that factoid |
| 22:47.48 | simonrvn | !hold |
| 22:47.49 | dpkg | i heard hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, or 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold |
| 22:48.00 | simonrvn | oh guess not :) |
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| 22:48.14 | djw | that doesn't work when I msg apt |
| 22:48.16 | djw | how odd |
| 22:48.20 | simonrvn | ~hold |
| 22:48.26 | simonrvn | apt isn't here |
| 22:48.28 | | simonrvn: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:48.35 | simonrvn | guess it is =) |
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| 22:48.53 | simonrvn | oh wait, timriker said there were db issues still |
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| 22:49.00 | djw | tell me about hold works |
| 22:49.05 | djw | with dpkg that is |
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| 22:50.00 | dob | pme: no i can wait no problem :) |
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| 22:50.11 | simonrvn | there's a file db (plain text), and it holds status /var/lig/dpkg/status. (--get|--set)-selections edits that file |
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| 22:50.18 | simonrvn | lib* |
| 22:51.08 | netbrain | where should i reffer myself when having a debian domain controller issue? |
| 22:51.15 | simonrvn | well --set- does, --get just displays |
| 22:51.27 | simonrvn | netbrain: what? |
| 22:52.01 | simonrvn | please rephrase the question |
| 22:52.07 | netbrain | simonrvn: the w2k clients cannot logon the domain. |
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| 22:52.18 | pme | *blink* |
| 22:52.23 | netbrain | im following this here tutorial http://www.thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/samba/samba-setup.html |
| 22:52.23 | pme | Try #samba. |
| 22:52.29 | simonrvn | that isn't any more clearer |
| 22:52.37 | simonrvn | oh |
| 22:52.37 | scarface | Im sorry but after trying x-times, I am still not able to get my X running. I have installed a new kernel (2.4.23-1 from backports.org) and now I cant run startx anymore. is anyone in here able to help me out? and please dont answer #nvidia |
| 22:53.01 | netbrain | simonrvn: i have followed point by point but now im stucked on Configuring the windows workstations |
| 22:53.04 | simonrvn | @tell scarface about ask |
| 22:53.12 | petemc | scarface: #nvidia - you're using the nvidia driver, its an nvidia problem |
| 22:53.30 | trans_err | scarface: does the nv driver work? |
| 22:53.44 | netbrain | simonrvn: according to the samba log the users are granted access (login/pass) but after that the connection is dropped for some reason |
| 22:54.02 | netbrain | simonrvn: can you help me? |
| 22:54.24 | scarface | trans_err I dl'ed the lates .run driver file from nvidia.com but running it, it tells me it cant find the kernel header files to compile |
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| 22:55.07 | simonrvn | netbrain: i've never used samba |
| 22:55.18 | tag | Jesus I'm still having problems with goddamn sasl |
| 22:55.19 | simonrvn | netbrain: try #samba like pme said |
| 22:55.25 | netbrain | simonrvn: hehe damn.. |
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| 22:55.39 | netbrain | simonrvn: hehe thanks anyways. you too pme! |
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| 22:56.03 | nilb | Hi all |
| 22:56.12 | simonrvn | SASL != "simple auth and security layer", SASL = "what are you nuts calling it simple!?!" |
| 22:56.29 | pme | heheheh |
| 22:56.50 | nilb | does anyone know how to install a kernel module? |
| 22:57.04 | simonrvn | @tell nilb about ask |
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| 22:58.35 | simonrvn | it actually is pretty simple, once you wrap your head around it. though i wish you could integrate it with PAM a lot more, for instance |
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| 22:59.26 | simonrvn | for instance, file ermissions are pretty important, as well as having a correctly configured saslauthd |
| 22:59.39 | nilb | i'm trying to get my sound to work, my card is a Soundblaster Live, and I believe i should use emu10k, coz thats what i used in redhat and mandrake |
| 23:00.17 | simonrvn | nilb: ok, so what do you mean by 'install'? |
| 23:00.30 | simonrvn | modprobe foo ? or something else? |
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| 23:00.42 | simonrvn | yes it was you cuse :P |
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| 23:01.13 | nilb | simonrvn: when i do a lsmod that driver does not appear. a modprobe doesn't help either |
| 23:01.45 | simonrvn | nilb: check your config, is it there? |
| 23:01.53 | nilb | simonrvn: in the installation process i didn't have the option of installing sound drivers, only had net and filesystem drivers |
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| 23:02.25 | simonrvn | (23:01:45) < simonrvn> nilb: check your config, is it there? |
| 23:02.34 | simonrvn | the kernel config file, in /boot usually |
| 23:02.36 | kzar | Are there any good guides about cd burning on the web? |
| 23:03.04 | nilb | simonrv, let me see |
| 23:03.10 | pme | kzar: some gasoline and a match, dude, it's not that hard. |
| 23:03.19 | simonrvn | less /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 23:03.28 | kzar | pme: ok lol il search |
| 23:04.11 | simonrvn | *&%(*?&%(?%%?%$? fucking hours of work ahead of me. CRAP |
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| 23:04.59 | Steven_ | hi, do any of you know a free 3d modeller than can read and write 3ds files ? preferably one with debian packages... |
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| 23:05.16 | Aphrum | How can i change my window manager for X? |
| 23:05.19 | Aphrum | dpkg-reconfigure what? |
| 23:05.31 | simonrvn | xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:05.35 | nilb | simonrvn: i don't see anything to do with that driver in there |
| 23:05.36 | simonrvn | oh no, sorry |
| 23:05.45 | simonrvn | Aphrum: no you make an .xsession file |
| 23:05.46 | riiankv | or just edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager? |
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| 23:05.51 | deejoe | Steven_: I don't know if blender or vertex will do that, but look at them. |
| 23:05.59 | simonrvn | riiankv: that isn't a window manager |
| 23:06.07 | riiankv | Okey |
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| 23:06.22 | Aphrum | simonrvn isn't there something called x-window-manager? |
| 23:06.25 | Steven_ | deejoe : will do! |
| 23:06.28 | pme | simonrvn: How many hours is that again? |
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| 23:06.40 | simonrvn | Aphrum: yes but update-alternatives is systemwide |
| 23:06.54 | simonrvn | pme: hehehe. probably 6+ |
| 23:07.06 | pme | Doing what? |
| 23:07.25 | simonrvn | stupid fucked up apache is sid, that's what |
| 23:07.33 | simonrvn | s/is/in/ |
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| 23:07.38 | pme | Ick. |
| 23:07.43 | simonrvn | very |
| 23:07.59 | pme | Maybe I'll hold off doing any apt updates this week. |
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| 23:08.28 | Conducted | where do i get a testing netinstall cd from? -> link on debian.org is broken! |
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| 23:09.51 | pme | simonrvn: apache 1 or 2? |
| 23:10.05 | agney | what group have access to use svgalib ? |
| 23:10.18 | Steven_ | root |
| 23:10.35 | Steven_ | and only root afaik |
| 23:10.40 | pme | either root or video, I think. |
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| 23:10.43 | agney | Steven_: only root can use the lib? I want to run a game that needs it. |
| 23:10.58 | agney | and I don't want to run a game as root :) |
| 23:11.16 | simonrvn | 1 |
| 23:11.36 | Artimus | Anybody know of a small sized (on disk) browser with a few more features than Dillo? I have 100MB of disk space left and still haven't installed Gaim yet |
| 23:11.37 | simonrvn | pme: sid's apache is fucked, but the ipv6 one is working well |
| 23:11.49 | Steven_ | agney : you need root to write to the vga buffer :) |
| 23:11.49 | pme | simonrvn: Oh. I've been using sid's apache2. |
| 23:12.05 | docelic | Artimus, that trimmed version of mozilla |
| 23:12.12 | Steven_ | agney : you can make it setuid root, or use another lib, like opengl |
| 23:12.26 | agney | Steven_: thanks I will try |
| 23:12.29 | Artimus | docelic: That's 74MB |
| 23:12.35 | Xenocide | Artimus: firebirtd is kinda small, but probably not small enough |
| 23:12.36 | simonrvn | i can't. a) it's a fucking PITA migrating all those vhosts to v2, and not all the modules have been ported to v2 |
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| 23:13.03 | Xenocide | Artimus: what are you gonna do when an upgrade takes up more space? |
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| 23:13.51 | pme | simonrvn: yeah, tell me about it. Every time I find a useful module, it's only for v1. Grumble. |
| 23:14.01 | Artimus | Xenocide: I'm too afraid to run apt-get upgrade :P |
| 23:14.04 | aliquis | is there a way to 'suspend' an X-session like screen does for terminal-sessions? |
| 23:14.05 | _Dan_ | god damn |
| 23:14.09 | _Dan_ | everybody owns these nicks |
| 23:14.14 | Xenocide | Artimus: how'd you run so low anyways? |
| 23:14.27 | resuDaed | how difficult is it to install debian purley over network? (dhcp/tftp loading kernel/initrd) |
| 23:14.30 | Artimus | Xenocide: When you start off with a 500MB harddrive... |
| 23:14.30 | shaddai | aliquis: you need vnc to do that |
| 23:14.38 | pme | aliquis: not at present. That's something they're playing with in X development. |
| 23:14.43 | Xenocide | Artimus: that might be a bit agressive for an X based system |
| 23:14.55 | Artimus | Xenocide: I've got what I need on it so far |
| 23:15.01 | aliquis | Xenocide: ok, too bad, thanks :) |
| 23:15.07 | muncc2beo | Can someone refer me to some documentation of getting sound working on kernel 2.6.0? |
| 23:15.09 | Xenocide | especially if you dont know what you're doing. |
| 23:15.21 | Artimus | All I ever do with this box is play music, surf the web, and occasionally chat on instant messengers |
| 23:15.24 | Xenocide | of course, the only way to learn what to do is try |
| 23:15.45 | Xenocide | you just have to be prepared to recieve the lesson |
| 23:16.04 | Artimus | Unfortunitly, I can't run an apt-get upgrade... I don't have the space |
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| 23:16.34 | Xenocide | Artimus: you might try some of the lighter weight window managers and such |
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| 23:16.54 | elmig | Minimal installation is about 200 MB |
| 23:16.59 | elmig | then you need |
| 23:17.03 | romulo | hi, in my /etc/fstab my cdrom is actually on /dev/hdb, how can i made it use /dev/cdrom?! synlink?! |
| 23:17.03 | elmig | X and a WM |
| 23:17.05 | tix64 | muncc2beo: it's easy. install alsa-base, configure, compile and install the kernel properly, reboot, pull up the volume. done. |
| 23:17.08 | elmig | and a browser... |
| 23:17.14 | petemc | romulo: yeah, symlink |
| 23:17.29 | tag | Christ almighty |
| 23:17.29 | romulo | petemc ln -s /dev/hdb /dev/cdrom?! |
| 23:17.37 | petemc | romulo: that would work |
| 23:17.42 | Artimus | Xenocide: I'm running fluxbox as it is. I really don't want to go much lighter |
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| 23:17.50 | romulo | petemc i did that but...it cant acess the cd drive in the normal user mode, only as root |
| 23:17.55 | Artimus | The box itself isn't *that* bad, it just as squat for HD space4 |
| 23:17.57 | elmig | try to remove packages |
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| 23:18.07 | Artimus | My box is a 350mhz AMDK6 with 32MB of ram |
| 23:18.07 | Justin__ | Artimus: install localepurge |
| 23:18.24 | Justin__ | Artimus: and delete /usr/share/doc if you don't need it |
| 23:18.53 | Artimus | Hmmm... Would I be able to run 2.6 on this thing? |
| 23:19.05 | Artimus | The speed improvements that I saw on my primary desktop would really help this box |
| 23:19.05 | pme | Artimus: get a webspace account with your ISP, then use that NFS-over-HTTP to remote mount the space. :-) |
| 23:19.09 | elmig | if you the space |
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| 23:19.31 | Artimus | Oh, I've got a Samba network that I could use. Can't really do permissions very well... |
| 23:19.35 | romulo | only my root can read the cdplay on /dev/cdrom, how can i make it for normal users?! group cdrom?! |
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| 23:19.40 | Justin__ | Artimus: sure it can |
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| 23:20.05 | Yan^ | hello people, could somebody tell me what is the name of the debian package which installs xfree86 ?? |
| 23:20.16 | Aphrum | Anyone here know where i can find my gnome-appletrs in gnome 2.4? |
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| 23:20.18 | elmig | x-window-system-core |
| 23:20.20 | elmig | or |
| 23:20.23 | elmig | xwindow-system-core |
| 23:20.23 | angrylinuxgeek | Yan^: x-window-system |
| 23:20.23 | Artimus | Justin__: Will I be able to have my /usr partition boot to a Samba share? |
| 23:20.41 | Artimus | I've got 8GB of free space on my Samba share... |
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| 23:21.01 | elmig | Artimus df -h --max-depth=1 / |
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| 23:21.11 | Artimus | elmig: What's that do? |
| 23:21.15 | Justin__ | Artimus: mebbe, enable unix extensions |
| 23:21.19 | Artimus | I know what df does |
| 23:21.19 | elmig | and check which is the bigger partition |
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| 23:21.29 | mark | how do i stop my system beeping? like when i press backspace when there is nothign to delete.. |
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| 23:21.41 | Aphrum | Anyone here know where i can find my gnome-appletrs in gnome 2.4? |
| 23:21.49 | muncc2beo | tix64: do I have to log out and back in? |
| 23:22.00 | Artimus | elmig: Unrecognized option |
| 23:22.03 | elmig | usa samba with the big partitons |
| 23:22.05 | Artimus | mark: Unplug your systme speaker |
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| 23:22.10 | elmig | maybe /var too |
| 23:22.24 | michux | hi all. i finally got it working |
| 23:22.30 | elmig | replace df with du, maybe =) |
| 23:22.32 | michux | i mean IO_support on 32 bit |
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| 23:22.36 | mark | Artimus, yeh i was kinda looking for a less drastic solution |
| 23:22.43 | Artimus | Justin__: But its shared from a Windows box. Why would Microsoft cooperate with Unix? |
| 23:22.47 | sillybilly | why does debian woody still use a 2.2.x kernel? |
| 23:22.49 | tix64 | muncc2beo: huh, that happens automatically when you reboot. |
| 23:22.51 | tag | This is god awful and annoying |
| 23:22.59 | petemc | mark: in X, xset -b |
| 23:22.59 | Artimus | Same error |
| 23:22.59 | muncc2beo | oh, right, but I already built the kernel |
| 23:23.00 | michux | but dunno why I when I reboot - the old settings are kept! |
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| 23:23.10 | michux | can i do anything about it? |
| 23:23.10 | pme | mark: take a look at stty and xset, and the man page for your shell. |
| 23:23.15 | muncc2beo | tix64: if I already built the kernel, do I have to reboot again? |
| 23:23.38 | Justin__ | Artimus: ah then its not a samba share |
| 23:23.39 | Artimus | But anyway, the harddrive itself is 500MB. 50MB swap and 430MB root, IIRC |
| 23:23.41 | michux | i tried option hdparm -k1 /dev/hda |
| 23:23.47 | Artimus | Justin__: Oh yeah |
| 23:23.48 | tix64 | muncc2beo: no. make sure your user is in the audio group and the volume is _not_ muted. |
| 23:23.56 | Yan^ | angrylinuxgeek: many thanks, is there a place where <i could find the complete list of packages? |
| 23:23.58 | elmig | try to make Debian lighter |
| 23:23.58 | michux | it marks keepsettings (on) |
| 23:24.04 | Aphrum | Anyone here know where i can find my gnome-appletrs in gnome 2.4? |
| 23:24.04 | elmig | remove some packets |
| 23:24.09 | michux | but just "on paper" ;) |
| 23:24.11 | Aphrum | i don't see them in the menu |
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| 23:24.15 | Aphrum | but i have gnome-applets installed |
| 23:24.15 | Artimus | So I guess I couldn't do diskless bootibng then, huh? |
| 23:24.21 | muncc2beo | tix64: but I do have to log out, though? |
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| 23:24.32 | mark | pme, petemc, thanks |
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| 23:24.40 | tix64 | muncc2beo: that depends. |
| 23:24.49 | muncc2beo | on? |
| 23:25.00 | michux | hmm i guess no answer :( |
| 23:25.00 | tix64 | muncc2beo: is your user in the audio group? |
| 23:25.04 | simonrvn | debhelper left? |
| 23:25.06 | pme | mark: if you're using bash, set bell-style in .inputrc. |
| 23:25.18 | simonrvn | don_inlab: you know debhelper left? |
| 23:25.21 | Artimus | Could I maybe just put /usr on there? It doesn't *need* permissions that badly, does it? |
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| 23:25.45 | elmig | it might work |
| 23:25.48 | muncc2beo | tix64: yes |
| 23:25.49 | elmig | have a try |
| 23:26.05 | tix64 | muncc2beo: then you don't have to logout. |
| 23:26.20 | muncc2beo | but I'm not getting any sound |
| 23:26.33 | tix64 | muncc2beo: is your volume up? |
| 23:26.37 | pme | Artimus: you could try some of those compressed executables. I've never liked the idea, but they make sense for embedded systems, so they might help your low-space system. |
| 23:26.39 | muncc2beo | tix64: mplayer says SDL: Unable to open audio: No available audio device |
| 23:26.39 | muncc2beo | Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. |
| 23:26.39 | muncc2beo | Audio: no sound |
| 23:26.45 | simonrvn | are your speakers plugged in? |
| 23:26.55 | muncc2beo | simonrvn: yes |
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| 23:27.09 | simonrvn | you have a /dev/snd/* and /dev/dsp*? |
| 23:27.10 | tix64 | muncc2beo: have you properly configured sound in your kernel? |
| 23:27.13 | muncc2beo | tix64: I used alsamixergui - thats ok right? |
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| 23:27.24 | muncc2beo | tix64: That's what I'm wondering. |
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| 23:27.25 | Artimus | Hmmm... I wonder if Knoppix would run off of this thing |
| 23:27.26 | simonrvn | @wb debhelper |
| 23:27.26 | mark | pme, thanks |
| 23:27.28 | muncc2beo | simonrvn: let me check |
| 23:27.30 | ravenbird | Welcome back debhelper, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
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| 23:27.34 | Artimus | I've got an extra CD drive that I could put in here |
| 23:27.54 | Artimus | But I guess I'm offtopic |
| 23:28.02 | muncc2beo | simonrvn: yes, those devices exist |
| 23:28.06 | simonrvn | ok |
| 23:28.20 | simonrvn | just covering all the bases, the basic ones at least |
| 23:28.22 | muncc2beo | tix64: I have the driver (trident) compiled in, not as a module |
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| 23:28.50 | pme | simonrvn: as welcome-back messages go, that's not bad, but still not up to Tolkien. :-) |
| 23:29.25 | Yan^ | hello people, maybe someone knows how to get the list of Debian's packages? I have just installed Debian, but do not know the names of the packages |
| 23:29.27 | pme | What we need are farewell messages for the bots next. |
| 23:29.48 | muncc2beo | simonrvn: tix64: in alsamixergui, when I click on the little speaker picture on the top of each item, I can hear it click. |
| 23:29.53 | petemc | Yan^: apt-cache search <search string> |
| 23:29.57 | Kraig | apt-cache search |
| 23:30.03 | sillybilly | I am having trouble installing debian by floppy over net; nic driver installs successfully but cannot communicated, fails ping tests |
| 23:30.04 | Artimus | Man, this is a noisy HD |
| 23:30.22 | petemc | sillybilly: the interface is configured correctly? |
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| 23:30.30 | sillybilly | yeah |
| 23:30.33 | Yan^ | petemc: at the standard UNIX prompt, right? |
| 23:30.43 | docelic | well obviously it isn't |
| 23:30.46 | petemc | Yan^: in bash, aye |
| 23:31.05 | petemc | sillybilly: it doesnt sound it, how are you confirming this? |
| 23:31.10 | sillybilly | petemc: It didn't install automatically, I had to pic out the driver, but it installed successfully; But it still deosnn't work |
| 23:31.20 | sillybilly | how do you confirm it |
| 23:31.28 | petemc | sillybilly: you know the difference between installing and configuring? |
| 23:31.29 | Yan^ | petemc: thanks I shall try |
| 23:31.34 | sillybilly | yeah |
| 23:31.39 | sillybilly | i did both |
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| 23:32.09 | sillybilly | install module, then config with ipconfig on a shell, and ping not working |
| 23:32.13 | Kraig | sillybilly: it may be you didn't modprobed the interface |
| 23:32.14 | petemc | sillybilly: ok, you loaded the correct module, did you use dhcp or set it up with a static address? |
| 23:32.29 | sillybilly | I tried both |
| 23:32.36 | petemc | sillybilly: "tried"? |
| 23:32.40 | muncc2beo | simonrvn: tix64: do you think that mplayer could be messed up somehow, or that its more low-level than that? |
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| 23:32.43 | mark | is having the gid of the users group as 100 a pretty standard thing? |
| 23:32.50 | sillybilly | I tried dhcp and static ip |
| 23:33.13 | petemc | sillybilly: im not pulling answers out of you |
| 23:33.22 | petemc | so im going to stop |
| 23:33.24 | sillybilly | petemc, my dhcp server that I tested works cause I used another machine to confirm, same goes for masq server |
| 23:33.41 | Kraig | sillybilly: next step, doesn't sounds good, check the cable |
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| 23:34.31 | sillybilly | I checked the cable too, I connected another computer to my server and it works for them |
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| 23:34.47 | sillybilly | Kraig: the problem is on the debian computer |
| 23:35.05 | sillybilly | It must be with the nic driver |
| 23:35.10 | petemc | sillybilly: did it tell you that it got an address successfully via dhcp? |
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| 23:35.54 | petemc | sillybilly: if its your dhcp server look in the logs |
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| 23:36.09 | sillybilly | The nic is a Kingston KNE 110TX, and the kingston site says I can use tulip driver, and I tried three of the tulip drivers available on the debian select net modules; all installed but none worked |
| 23:36.23 | Justin__ | !tell sillybilly about doesn't work |
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| 23:36.42 | jaredj | anyone know what the wa, hi and si fields in the top of top under kernel 2.6 are? |
| 23:36.54 | sillybilly | no, I can't even ping |
| 23:37.00 | Justin__ | sillybilly: ping what |
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| 23:37.09 | sillybilly | ping the server |
| 23:37.12 | Justin__ | what server |
| 23:37.17 | sillybilly | ping out of the machine |
| 23:37.20 | Justin__ | how |
| 23:37.29 | sillybilly | ping ip-address |
| 23:37.32 | sillybilly | on the shell |
| 23:37.34 | Justin__ | what ip |
| 23:37.35 | petemc | sillybilly: if you googled for "Kingston KNE 110TX linux" you may find something |
| 23:38.16 | sillybilly | The kingston site says to use the tulip driver |
| 23:38.30 | sillybilly | whats difference between tulip & tulip-scyld |
| 23:38.43 | Justin__ | sillybilly: stop rambling and answer the questions |
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| 23:39.01 | sillybilly | whats the questin Justin |
| 23:39.04 | Justin__ | 18:36 < Justin__> what ip |
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| 23:40.28 | muncc2beo | Has anyone setup sound support using kernel 2.6.0? I have compiled the driver into the kernel (trident), and installed alsa-base. What else must I do? |
| 23:41.21 | jak | hiwk: I am getting problems with installing kdm on debian unstable: Setting up kdm (3.1.4-1) ...dpkg: error processing kdm (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 30. Any hints on how to work around this? |
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| 23:41.30 | Justin__ | !tell jak about bts |
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| 23:42.13 | sillybilly | Ok, I connect the computer that I am trying to install debian on via a cross cable to another my Redhat machine. I set the eth1 of the RedHat to 192.168.1.1. I installed the eth0 of my debian successfully, then set the ip to 192.168.1.10. Then i tried to ping from both machines to the other. I tested my redhat with another debian laptop and all test successful so the redhat isn't the problem |
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| 23:42.36 | pme | wtf is a CTCP AVATAR...? That's a ctcp I;m not familiar with.... |
| 23:42.47 | Justin__ | !+dict avatar |
| 23:43.25 | bztunk | spoerl: b& |
| 23:43.26 | Justin__ | grr, anyway its a picture |
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| 23:43.40 | pme | Cute name. |
| 23:43.51 | Kraig | wow, at least i made a good coffeeee! |
| 23:44.00 | Justin__ | sillybilly: and? |
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| 23:44.29 | redhat | help me |
| 23:44.30 | sillybilly | so have ever had a problem like this before and fixed it, or are just some jackass |
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| 23:44.49 | Kraig | sillybilly: checked for masq? |
| 23:44.59 | toomasr | is there a place where i could find packages that are more uptodate than the ones in woody? i'm running woody though but i want certaing things to be newer and don't want to compile from sources or go to the devel release |
| 23:45.02 | irvken | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.02 | spoerl | bztunk: I accidentally did the CTCP AVATAR not knowing what in the world it was, I guess - KVirc3 gives me SUCH power |
| 23:45.03 | Justin__ | sillybilly: and? |
| 23:45.17 | sillybilly | Kraig: My masq works, and confirmed with another debian machine |
| 23:45.19 | bztunk | spoerl: haha ok |
| 23:45.25 | Kraig | toomasr: apt-get update |
| 23:45.32 | jaredj | bztunk: b& == ? |
| 23:45.35 | ElectricElf | jaredj: Check 'man vmstat' |
| 23:45.35 | ElectricElf | jaredj: They're documented there |
| 23:45.36 | irvken | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.38 | jetscreamer | irvken, make-kpkg |
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| 23:45.45 | toomasr | Kraig: still the php version is 4.1.2 :) |
| 23:45.47 | jaredj | ElectricElf, thx |
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| 23:45.52 | ElectricElf | jaredj: No probs. |
| 23:45.54 | Justin__ | irvken: dont use initrd |
| 23:45.56 | Kraig | toomasr: find it your self |
| 23:46.02 | jetscreamer | module-init-tools, cramfsprogs |
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| 23:46.06 | irvken | I don't know how not to |
| 23:46.14 | Justin__ | irvken: dont tell it to use initrd |
| 23:46.17 | sillybilly | Kraig: you got a carrot in your ass? |
| 23:46.22 | jetscreamer | don't pass --initrd is one method |
| 23:46.29 | hiwk | jak: nope, unfortunally |
| 23:46.49 | Kraig | sillybilly: are you sure both have the same mask for both? |
| 23:46.49 | toomasr | Kraig: i know i have to find the package myself, but i thought maybe there are special places that host more uptodate packages for woody |
| 23:46.52 | jetscreamer | and take initrd=initrd.img out of lilo.conf under linux stanza |
| 23:47.00 | quaqo | Bye! |
| 23:47.07 | bbb^ | whats the best way to install a java JDK or JRE from testing ? |
| 23:47.18 | irvken | Justin__: I use this command to vreate the kernel do i just leave initrd out then ? - fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -myidentifier --initrd \ --revision=rev.01 kernel_imag |
| 23:47.28 | Kraig | toomasr: do apt-get update, that will solve your problem |
| 23:47.28 | Justin__ | irvken: of course |
| 23:47.30 | jaredj | ElectricElf: man vmstat says si is amt. of memory swapped in but top's si is % am i missing something? |
| 23:47.40 | toomasr | Kraig: okay |
| 23:47.50 | irvken | and should I take the ramdisk options out of the kernel as well? |
| 23:47.58 | sillybilly | well, besides masq, i can't even send a packet, the problem isn't the server, it the driver, I guess it doesn't work, maybe i need to buy a new nic, which is very compatible with linux |
| 23:48.19 | Kraig | sillybilly: thank you man, i was just trying to help you, don't blame me for that |
| 23:48.33 | ElectricElf | jaredj: Obviously it's either the percentage of total memory that's swapped, the percentage of RAM that's swapped, or effectively the percentage of swap that's used :) |
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| 23:48.41 | petemc | sillybilly: try googling for the *exact* modle of your nic and linux, you'll see the 110, unline the 100, doesnt use the DEC tulip chipset |
| 23:48.48 | Kraig | sillybilly: modprobe <interface> |
| 23:48.49 | jaredj | feh ok |
| 23:48.53 | petemc | s/unline/unlike/ |
| 23:48.54 | ElectricElf | jaredj: (I wouldn't know where that particular little detail is documented.) |
| 23:49.05 | jaredj | yeh - none of it was in man top :( |
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| 23:49.14 | Kraig | ummmm.. what a delicios coffee! |
| 23:49.34 | bbb^ | I've never had a problem with nic's under linux, but I tend to buy intel and 3com ones :P |
| 23:49.50 | Kraig | 3com r good |
| 23:50.03 | jaredj | $$$ |
| 23:50.03 | pme | jaredj: The top man page is chock full of information, but it always seems to be exactly what I'm not looking for. Pages and pages of it, too. |
| 23:50.03 | modconf | jaredj: are you smoking crack? |
| 23:50.06 | sillybilly | petemc: KNE 110tx doesn't use tulip? |
| 23:50.09 | petemc | bbb^: later intel chips have pci ids that are only in 2.4.20 onwards afaik |
| 23:50.10 | jaredj | pme heh |
| 23:50.13 | Feh | jaredj: ? |
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| 23:50.33 | jaredj | feh heh sorry, i was just saying feh, not referring to you |
| 23:50.42 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 23:50.50 | jaredj | modconf, want some? |
| 23:50.50 | modconf | give it to me, jaredj! |
| 23:51.02 | Feh | oK...I just wondered. |
| 23:51.04 | bbb^ | I brought a load of intel 10/100 mbit ones from a computer fair, got 4 of em for 15 quid :) where system pulls, luky enuf they all worked ;) |
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| 23:52.06 | buht | hey all, the debian website links for the small mini-iso netinst cd's are broken or forbidden, are there any other good locations for the quick netinstaller cd isos? |
| 23:52.29 | asac | anyone knows the url of the apt development (project) page?? |
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| 23:52.40 | Kraig | asac: goooggglllleeee! |
| 23:52.45 | petemc | !tell buht about di |
| 23:52.46 | knoppix_ | Hey, does someone know how to insert the mark after 1 (first) or 2 (second)...? |
| 23:52.53 | petemc | mm, no dpkg |
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| 23:53.09 | petemc | bbb^: you realise thats a crack pipe? :) |
| 23:53.14 | bbb^ | :) |
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| 23:53.22 | buht | petemc : didnt get a msg |
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| 23:53.47 | petemc | buht: yeah, the bot isnt here, its on linuxmafia.com |
| 23:53.51 | buht | oh |
| 23:53.53 | buht | heh |
| 23:54.00 | pme | petemc: Try @ instead of !, there's probably some other bot listening. |
| 23:54.10 | buht | @tell buht about di |
| 23:54.14 | LoRez | ~test |
| 23:54.15 | | Failed |
| 23:54.15 | buht | yeay! |
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| 23:54.25 | spiekey | hi |
| 23:54.25 | petemc | ~+di |
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| 23:54.44 | buht | well i got one message about music, but nothing debian isos |
| 23:54.45 | petemc | mmm, di is a factoid i added to dpkg recently |
| 23:54.57 | spiekey | how do i change mz kezboardlazout? :o) |
| 23:55.03 | petemc | buht: linuxmafia.com, look for the debian installers link |
| 23:55.03 | buht | petemc: where can i go? |
| 23:55.06 | buht | ok |
| 23:55.07 | docelic | spiekey, loadkeys or setxkbmap |
| 23:55.07 | buht | thanks :) |
| 23:55.12 | asac | Kraig: what search would you suggest ;) I have tried google before, but find it hard to find |
| 23:55.13 | Kraig | lol |
| 23:55.17 | jak | thanks Justin__ and hiwk, I found the URL: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=224548 The trick was to change /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdm.config to the || true suggestion in the URL. |
| 23:55.23 | Ikarus_ | spiekey: let me guess, qwertz layout (iirc german) |
| 23:56.07 | bbb^ | german keyboards are really confusion if your used to US and UK layouts :) |
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| 23:56.19 | Kraig | asac: hold on a sec. |
| 23:56.28 | spiekey | Ikarus_: i have already set that with dpkg-reconfigure console-common |
| 23:56.43 | Ikarus_ | bbb^: any national keyboard should be prohibited |
| 23:56.47 | petemc | is it not console-data? |
| 23:56.49 | chimaera | hi, i bought a new keyboard (logitech wireless). now one button isnt working: #. the strange thing is, this key now switches back to x if im on a console.. any ideas? |
| 23:56.52 | Ikarus_ | bbb^: especially the Dutch and Belgian models |
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| 23:57.42 | spiekey | petemc: its the same :) |
| 23:57.52 | petemc | ahh :) |
| 23:58.58 | spiekey | loadkeys > error whilest loading shared libs libcfont.0 |
| 23:59.10 | spiekey | am i missing a package? |
| 23:59.12 | Kraig | asac: go to the debian page |
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| 23:59.23 | Kraig | asac: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apt.html or try this one |
| 23:59.23 | Acid`X | loool |
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| 23:59.54 | pato | anyone has compile xfree86? |
