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14:49.20localhey all. Just red about the cubieboard for the first time. Actually I own some RaspberryPi's and I'm deeply impressed about Cubietruck (=Cubieboard3) which comes with a DualCore Arm7 CPU, 2GB RAM, a Gigabit-capable NIC, and so on... that rocks! As I am interested in Debian I have found out that there is "Cubian" available.
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14:49.56localAnyone can tell me, which repository Cubian is using? Will I be able to install the same/all packages, which I know from RaspberryPi's Raspbian OS ? (which is Debian Wheezy)
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14:52.40rmDebian distros for Allwinner just use the standard Debian repository
14:52.59rmthere is no need to recompile everything as in case with the Raspberry Pi
14:53.07rmstandard Debian "armhf" packages just work
14:54.32localrm: you mean: I can install quite any package which I also know from Debian's default repository? all the packages are in Cubian's repo also available? is there a website I can check for packages and versions?
14:55.06rmhttps://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
14:55.43rmsome packages are not available for armhf from Debian
14:55.53rmfor example the Chromium browser https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=chromium
14:56.13localhow do I find out if I will be able to install DRBD 8.4 on cubian? (as example) ?
14:57.23rmhttps://release.debian.org/wheezy/arch_qualify.html <- 96% of all debian packages are available for armhf
14:57.38rmhttps://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=drbd
14:57.47rm^ drbd utils seem to be available
14:59.20localthat's awesome. Thank you!
15:00.06localcan u tell me also: will I have any disadvantage compared to RaspberryPi ? the cubieboard3 has better hw specs as I see, but will I have any issues when compared to RPi ? anything to be aware of?
15:01.30localone question back to repository: Will I be able to use DRBD 8.4.x from Jessie ? https://packages.debian.org/jessie/drbd8-utils
15:10.57rmyou will also need to compile a kernel with DRBD enabled, it's more commonly not compiled in, in those kernels you will find available...
15:11.26rmas for 8.4.x, check if it has any kernel version requirement with it
15:11.44rmcurrently only the Linux 3.4 kernel is fully usable
15:11.55rmso it'd be nice if it doesn't need a newer kernel than that
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16:32.59localcan I attach a Western Digital Red 2TB harddisk directly to the Cubietruck?
16:40.43jellysure, just provide power from elsewhere
16:40.49jellyor wait, cubiretruck
16:40.56jellydunno then
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16:46.38localhow about a SSD disk? will a SSD drive attached on the Cubieboard3 work? can I somehow power it from the cubieboard3 itself?
16:48.23sbx320SSDs should go fine
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16:48.41sbx320Just for 3.5'' HDDs you'll certainly need an external power supply
16:54.39localsbx320: is it somehow possible to use a 3,5" HDD (like WesternDigital Red 2TB) and power it through Cubieboard3 directly with a kind adapter or similar?
17:02.26sbx320local: no
17:03.43localand how would a 2,5" SSD disk plugged-in to cubietruck ? it also needs a power cable. Where does it come from?
17:04.16sbx320the power which the board can supply won't be high enough for the 3.5'' HDD
17:04.49sbx320but SSDs and most 2.5'' HDDs require less power
17:07.24localsbx320: I understand that. But what I would like to know: "HOW" is the power connection made from Cubietruck <--> 2,5" SSD drive ?
17:07.56sbx320regular SATA power connector
17:08.08sbx320there's one shipped with the CT
17:08.30sbx320http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/image/data/Products/Cubieboard2/cubietruck/cubietruck_01.jpg
17:08.40sbx320The cable connected to the board
17:12.49localoh, that's nice. Thanks for the pic
17:13.01localI also have found this web site which explains in details --> https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F4D526221F6753A7!152&app=WordPdf&wdo=2
17:13.15localso I am able to install a 2,5" mechanical drive, too ? without extra power supply?
17:13.56sbx320yup
17:14.26sbx320got exactly that case here, quite nice
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17:21.17localby luck I also just discovered an option to use a 3,5" hard-disk on the cubieboard, too --> http://www.exp-tech.de/Shields/Strom-Spannung-79/3-5-inch-HDD-addon-package-for-Cubieboard-Cubietruck.html
17:23.21localnext question: is the Cubietruck the best mini-computer at the time or are there any other boards which can offer better harware specs (CPU+RAM, performance in general) ?
17:27.16sbx320there are surely better ones if you just go for pure hardware power
17:27.21jellybest for what?
17:27.30sbx320but they're more expensive
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17:29.43localI need in category mini-computers like "RaspberryPi" , "Arduino", "MarS Board Freescale i.MX6", etc... Which one has better performance (MIPS)? cubietruck or MarS Board Freescale i.MX6 ?
17:29.55locals/need/mean
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17:35.05localwould be nice if comparison charts like these here --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers would illustrate the performance. Anyone know a comparison site which will talk about performance possible ?
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17:36.24Night-ShadeIt's hard to gather that sort of information as it's very workload dependent and also the market is so fast moving
17:40.40localmaybe I should have asked like: which single-board-computer actually is the best <200 US$, and capable of running Debian OS, 1000 MBit/s NIC and capable to use a mechanical harddisk ?
17:57.07Night-ShadeI know that the cubietruck can as I have set it up myself and written about it
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17:57.30Night-Shadehttp://blog.night-shade.org.uk/category/hardware/cubietruck/
17:58.27Night-ShadeAll that you have asked for works in sunxi-devel tree that is heading towards upstream
17:58.41Night-ShadeI believe that 3.15 is the target for headless upstream support.
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19:51.10localis it possible to install the latest Cubian OS onto Cubietruck's NAND memory? If I remember correctly it should have 4 GB space, shouldn't it?
19:51.37localso I could avoid purchasing an extra SD card
19:52.51Night-ShadeCurrently the mainline kernels don't support the internal NAND
19:52.54jelly-homelocal: how do you feel about having a NIC that links at 1000Mbps but the SoC can't actually push or pull more than half of that from the network if it has to do anything useful with it
19:53.01Night-Shadethere are patches about to support it
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19:53.36Night-Shadewhich of the SoCs have 1gig and can use it out of interest?
19:54.07Night-ShadeI get about 460Mbps from my cubie on iperf
19:54.42Night-ShadeI've not tried anything cpu intensive at the same time mind
19:55.08localjelly-home: what exactly you mean? please be more specific, I didn't understand. You mean it is NOT possible to achieve 900 MBit/s on the Gigabit NIC on Cubietruck ?
19:55.15Night-Shadecorrect
19:55.58localNight-Shade: well, 460MBit/s are equal to 80MB/sec which is quite good. Far better than 11 MB/sec (=90MBit/s) on a 100MBit/s NIC (like RaspberryPi)
19:56.08jelly-homeNight-Shade: or writing those 80MB/s to disk
19:56.23Night-Shadeiperf is a bandwidth measuring tool and I get 460MBit/s between my desktop and the cubie
19:56.41localNight-Shade: did/could you try also netio ?
19:56.47localwould be interesting to know
19:56.55Night-ShadeI'd test that for you but the SSD on my cubie has failed
19:57.03localoh, why that?
19:57.28jelly-homecubie_board_ can read or write 100MB/s to ssd without a lot of issue; I don't have a cubietruck unfortunately
19:57.31Night-Shadepower failure when writing to it and now doesn't appear on the sata bus
19:57.54Night-ShadeI have a replacement in work just need to collect it tomorrow
19:59.03localif I would use a Western Digital WD Red 1TB, 2.5", SATA 6Gb/s (WD10JFCX) on the Cubietruck, what write/read speed should I expect?
19:59.13Night-Shadedepends
19:59.35Night-Shadestreaming large reads / writes I'd expect you to be getting 50+MB/s
19:59.54Night-Shaderandom reads / writes lower, in some cases much lower
20:00.34localso if I would transfer data to/from cubietruck the bottleneck would be not the 1000MBit/s NIC but the hard disk ?
20:00.55Night-Shademost likely yes
20:01.15localwhat about when using a SSD like 2.5" Samsung SSD 840 EVO 250GB, 2.5", SATA 6Gb/s (MZ-7TE250BW) ?
20:01.33localthe NIC would be the bottleneck ?
20:01.43Night-Shadeat that point yes
20:01.49Night-Shadethe NIC will be the limit
20:01.52localnice
20:02.55localare there any SSD disks which are recommended on cubietruck or doesn't matter? I am asking because actually I only own Raspberry Pi's. And I have made the experience, that only certain SD card models or power lines are supported and good for the RPi's. Is there something similar for the cubietruck?
20:03.34Night-Shadethe problem with the Pi is that it's built to such a low budget that the power system is marginal at the best of times
20:03.51Night-Shadejust try plugging in a usb wifi card to a live pi
20:03.55Night-Shadeoops rebot
20:05.59localNight-Shade: not with my actual power supplys ;) I have found a good one which is very very stable. But I know what you mean, I had such experience in the beginning of my Rpi time :p
20:07.06Night-ShadeI've had a kingston v300 and an intel SSD on my cubietruck without problems
20:07.18Night-ShadeI've used sandisk SD cards without problems
20:07.32localgood to know, thank you
20:07.41Night-Shadethat's about all I can say but for normal (sub 32gb) SD cards I've not seen any ptoblems
20:08.00localso, I will not be able to install Cubian onto the Cubian directly ? I will have to use a SD card for that OS ?
20:08.02Night-Shadethere are reports about large SD cards being a bit more picky
20:08.13Night-ShadeI personally have a 4gb boot cd card
20:08.28Night-Shadeand boot the kernel + initrd off that and then have the rest on an SSD
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20:58.48toketinrellla: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6969
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22:51.38local|awaywhat is the maximum write/read speed I could expect from a microSD card? How much can the microSD bus deliver, what is the limitation? Is it worth to purcahse a 16GB Class10 SanDisk microSD card which promises 90-95 MB/sec? Will the interface support that?
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23:51.29Night-Shadelocal|away: I've never got much more than 10MB/s from SD cards
23:52.21Night-Shadethe class4 cards are noticably slow the class10 ones are fine but I look at them mostly as a boot device rather than storage
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