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| 10:36.33 | utente | hello rellla. I recompiled your git xbmc, but i have to report problems. if i try to reproduce a mkv video, there is pink overcolor of the movie and the audio is totally replaced by a "machine gun" of noises. |
| 10:38.13 | utente | more, i get twice a freeze of the board, forced me to hardware reboot |
| 10:38.35 | rellla | utente: the pinkish issue was reported once. i do not remember what causes this. |
| 10:39.10 | rellla | did you fix the audio device name to sunxi if using a recent kernel? |
| 10:39.46 | utente | yes, is set to sunxi, kernel is 3.4.43. now rebooting |
| 10:40.02 | rellla | and, what kernel, cedar-lib and branch do you use? further, did you try the movies in the rendering chart? |
| 10:40.08 | utente | btw, i terminate ligthtdm and rin xbmc from command line |
| 10:40.46 | utente | way, is rebooting. then i go to check audio setting to be 100% sure. |
| 10:41.21 | utente | btw, youtube videoclip are perfects: fluid video fullscreen and audio perfect |
| 10:44.47 | utente | audio output is set as default (sun41-codec sun41 pcm) |
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| 10:45.16 | rellla | what says aplay -l |
| 10:45.17 | utente | i swicth to sun41-sndhdmi hdmi |
| 10:46.02 | utente | wait |
| 10:46.29 | utente | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.29 | utente | aplay: device_list:252: no soundcards found... |
| 10:46.46 | rellla | thats not that perfect ;) |
| 10:46.54 | utente | yes :/ |
| 10:47.00 | utente | how to do? |
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| 10:48.57 | rellla | if you have sunxi-v3.4.43-r1, sound isn't built by default afaics https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/blob/sunxi-v3.4.43-r1/sound/soc/sun4i/Kconfig |
| 10:49.52 | rellla | wait. it's enabled in defconfig ... |
| 10:51.14 | rellla | it should be builtin... |
| 10:51.41 | utente | youtuve videoclip im seeing now is perfect... |
| 10:51.48 | rellla | with sound? |
| 10:52.20 | utente | yes |
| 10:52.35 | utente | full screen, no audio lag, everithing ok. |
| 10:52.44 | rellla | so i wonder why aplay -l doesn't show up devices... |
| 10:52.53 | utente | i wonder too. |
| 10:53.26 | rellla | you play with xbmc? |
| 10:54.52 | utente | in xbmc i added youtube plugin, and use it. |
| 10:54.56 | utente | with succes. |
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| 10:55.58 | utente | strange, no i try to load a video from usbstick, but the i get onto menu (file, playlist, Addon video) the arrow mouse cursor disapperar :-| |
| 10:56.34 | utente | i select movie by keibord and run it.. |
| 10:57.34 | utente | nope. audio is a total noise, |
| 10:57.46 | utente | aniway video is fluid. |
| 10:59.26 | utente | i duno how to solve |
| 10:59.43 | rellla | hdmi passthrough set? |
| 10:59.52 | utente | wait o go to see |
| 11:00.52 | utente | passtrough is set as audio output, as sun41-snhhdmi HDMI, is correct? |
| 11:01.10 | rellla | disable passthrough |
| 11:01.32 | rellla | just hdmi, no ac3/...-capable-receiver stuff |
| 11:01.58 | utente | i cant disable, i click on the up/down arrow but no change happens |
| 11:03.28 | rellla | machinegun sound can happen, when raw ac3 is sent over hdmi-passthrough, when your receiver can't handle that iirc |
| 11:04.57 | utente | this menu doesnt allow me to modify passthrough, it is forced to sun41-snhhdmi HDMI |
| 11:05.56 | rellla | http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=AudioEngine/HOW-TO:_Configure_audio |
| 11:06.12 | rellla | is the receiver stuff disbled? |
| 11:06.30 | utente | wait, monitor died.. i must reboot |
| 11:07.04 | utente | every few moinutes monitor blacks, i duno if guilty is xbmc of my monitor |
| 11:07.54 | rellla | add consoleblank=0 to your kernel config uEnv.txt for example |
| 11:08.17 | utente | nice to know, i take it |
| 11:08.51 | utente | i must ssh from oter pc, wait. |
| 11:12.40 | utente | i wonder if clock is too much, i try to reduce 1008 to lewer speed |
| 11:13.13 | utente | 864 now |
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| 11:14.45 | utente | now i try analog output |
| 11:18.50 | utente | uff it dont see the usbstik! |
| 11:19.18 | utente | i force mount manual |
| 11:19.57 | utente | rellla, i set analog audio, it works!!!! |
| 11:20.20 | utente | both youtube and kkv |
| 11:20.24 | utente | mkv |
| 11:22.02 | rellla | glad you |
| 11:22.17 | rellla | and the pinkish issue? |
| 11:22.39 | utente | ok, audio is fixed, but periodical white blocks on video are still present. pink only at the beginning of video, few seconds. |
| 11:23.02 | rellla | this maybe is a issue with blob |
| 11:23.14 | rellla | do you use native lib or libhybris? |
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| 11:23.28 | utente | native |
| 11:24.33 | rellla | the try the libhybris way, which will probably solve some of the problems ;) |
| 11:26.32 | utente | you mena this? http://linux-sunxi.org/CedarX/libve. I will do... after lunch :) see you later |
| 11:27.02 | rellla | exact |
| 11:27.50 | utente | hey! mouse died again! now i can t interact with movie, |
| 11:28.42 | utente | the hell, i will care later |
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| 11:57.52 | utente | rellla, i have not android. do you know if there is around a libvecore.so already recompiled? |
| 12:00.18 | rellla | see wiki ;) |
| 12:00.47 | rellla | no precompiled, but the necessary android files |
| 12:03.40 | utente | im git-ting now the source |
| 12:04.26 | utente | i report you later success or fail |
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| 12:34.04 | utente | rellla, success! the new lib make disappear the pinkish and whiteish colors! |
| 12:34.26 | rellla | so thats it |
| 12:34.49 | utente | can a man be happy for a lib? yes, i am one .-) |
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| 13:16.56 | Hukka | Risky, is it you again? |
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| 13:39.13 | uppermgmt | anyone using fedora 19, wondering if it's safe to yum update after a successful install, seem to have lost my networking/hdmi output |
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| 14:30.44 | utente | uppermgmt, get connection by debug port and do ulbrade from there |
| 14:30.45 | utente | upgrade* |
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| 14:32.02 | ripper1984 | hello |
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| 14:32.27 | ripper1984 | i need some help with cubie nand image ubuntu |
| 14:32.57 | uppermgmt | utente: sry i was not very clear, i got through the upgrade ok but now i have a system i can't get access to, will have to get a usb-serial cable, but just wondering if that's a known issue for anyone who updates fedora |
| 14:33.39 | utente | unixjazz, oh... ok now i udestand. |
| 14:34.10 | utente | no, i duno if it is a bug onr not, i don tuse sub-optimal diostro :) |
| 14:34.32 | Hukka | Troll much? |
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| 14:37.23 | utente | just a bit |
| 14:45.05 | uppermgmt | lol |
| 14:45.31 | uppermgmt | utente: what would you reccommend? :) |
| 14:46.16 | ttmrichter | LFS |
| 14:46.21 | ttmrichter | The only way to make Linux right. |
| 14:46.32 | utente | uppermgmt, i am a debian user, but i spent 2 months to cofigure all as i wish... so there is not the best distro for cubieboard, imho. |
| 14:47.05 | uppermgmt | i see |
| 14:47.09 | utente | anyway, debian has, as par as i know, a more large base of skilled user compare to fedora. |
| 14:47.18 | utente | just my opinion, of course. |
| 14:47.22 | GargantuaSauce | so in short, use arch |
| 14:47.51 | jelly | heh |
| 14:48.02 | utente | i dont know arch, it could be an option , anyway. best solution is to use time to test 3-4 distros and choose what bvetter fit your needs. |
| 14:48.03 | wolfy | arch ? i thought subopyimal distros were excluded |
| 14:48.25 | jelly | I'm not sure this is the right channel to have a distro war. |
| 14:48.27 | utente | wolfy, ahahaha this is te right spirit fot fun trolliung :,-) |
| 14:48.36 | ttmrichter | There's no war. LFS wins. |
| 14:48.45 | utente | no was, just fanny talk |
| 14:48.46 | ttmrichter | Everything else is for people who can't cope with real Linux. :D |
| 14:49.12 | wolfy | ttmrichter: you misspelled gentoo |
| 14:49.17 | utente | ttmrichter, did you iser LFS on arm? there are some web sitew to refere to? |
| 14:49.21 | jelly | that particular thought exercise always puzzled me |
| 14:49.34 | ttmrichter | wolfy: No, I didn't. Gentoo is for people who can't cope with manual processes. |
| 14:50.03 | ttmrichter | "Emerge" indeed. What's wrong with downloading, configuring, building and installing things without scripts? Huh? |
| 14:50.12 | wolfy | in this case slackware wins. you need to manually hunt for all deps |
| 14:50.20 | Hukka | "Downloading"? |
| 14:50.29 | ttmrichter | Nah, LFS is even more manual than that, wolfy. |
| 14:50.33 | Hukka | Jesus, next you are telling me you havenät coded your own editor |
| 14:50.41 | ttmrichter | Hukka: Haven't we all? |
| 14:50.52 | uppermgmt | well this deteriorated quickly |
| 14:50.55 | wolfy | ttmrichter: I know. I am on linux since '93 |
| 14:50.56 | ttmrichter | I mean before we discovered TECO and decided ours sucked. |
| 14:51.19 | Hukka | uppermgmt: Hey, it was you who asked for a distro recommendation :) |
| 14:51.25 | Hukka | There's only way it can go from that |
| 14:51.29 | uppermgmt | Hukka: only after mine got slammed =] |
| 14:51.32 | ttmrichter | notes for uppermgmt's benefit that he may not have quite been entirely serious with the LFS thing. |
| 14:51.41 | wolfy | one way only, indeed. WINDOWS RT! |
| 14:51.48 | ttmrichter | kills wolfy. |
| 14:52.05 | Hukka | ttmrichter: You mean you *haven't* used LFS? |
| 14:52.18 | ttmrichter | Used? No. Made one? Yes. |
| 14:52.49 | wolfy | that;s the spirit. force users to "experiment" |
| 14:52.59 | wolfy | we are admins, we are excepted |
| 14:53.52 | Hukka | Well, I coun't LFS as the guide, mainly, and "using LFS" as following the guide to build the OS |
| 14:54.38 | Hukka | You could of course make a linux OS truly from scratch too, but the acronym LFS has somewhat claimed the term "scratch", unfortunate or not |
| 14:55.12 | ttmrichter | Well, I followed LFS (with changes here and there to be more up-to-date in packages) and then much of BLFS. |
| 14:55.13 | Hukka | I only know one guy who has rolled and maintained a distro just for himself, purely from scratch |
| 14:58.17 | Hukka | uppermgmt: Anyway, you could say that Fedora is for people who trust package maintainers more than admins, Debian vice versa. Arch is for people who want to do more on their own, Slack even more so. Gentoo people just want slow installation even when they usually don't make any more choices than the other people ;) |
| 14:59.05 | Hukka | Ubuntu is for those who don't mind idealogy that much, and Mint for those who do mind about not stepping on the users' toes even if not that much about the dev mindset |
| 14:59.51 | Hukka | And everything else is for people who know they have special needs and don't need to ask, or for people who just think they are special |
| 15:00.44 | uppermgmt | full disclosure i am a red hat employee :) |
| 15:01.08 | FR^2 | seems I'm an exception. Using gentoo and modifying most packages' configs |
| 15:01.27 | uppermgmt | mostly looking for best bet for a stable install on cubieboard i can update, fedora looked to "support" it somewhat |
| 15:01.57 | uppermgmt | it was easy to get up and running but a system update broke it, will have to get myself a serial cable to figure out why i think |
| 15:01.57 | Hukka | I've only used Debian, Ubuntu, EL, Gentoo, Puppy and LFS myself |
| 15:02.09 | Hukka | So the rest if somewhat hearsay |
| 15:02.15 | Hukka | s/if/is/ |
| 15:02.17 | uppermgmt | Hukka: were any of those relatively easy to keep updated and working for a cubieboard? |
| 15:02.36 | Hukka | Oh, I haven't used those on cubie |
| 15:02.38 | uppermgmt | ah |
| 15:02.49 | Hukka | I've only seen debian based distros so far |
| 15:03.00 | Hukka | And none which were easy to keep updated |
| 15:03.04 | uppermgmt | that is a shame |
| 15:03.05 | Hukka | On the contrary, upgrading killed them |
| 15:06.33 | GargantuaSauce | i wouldn't say such a thing is particularly possible when you're working with a forked kernel |
| 15:07.02 | uppermgmt | perhaps if i freeze the kernel installed |
| 15:07.16 | uppermgmt | the rest of the system may be updatable |
| 15:07.54 | GargantuaSauce | well you'd have to prevent updating of any other software depending on cedar for example |
| 15:08.11 | GargantuaSauce | and either prevent the libraries those depend on from being updated, or rebuild them with each library update |
| 15:08.13 | GargantuaSauce | it gets complicated fast |
| 15:08.29 | uppermgmt | grosss |
| 15:08.55 | GargantuaSauce | it's a much better idea to just build a working system that suits your needs and not touch it afterwards i think |
| 15:09.17 | wolfy | right. install windows and no updates |
| 15:09.44 | Hukka | GargantuaSauce: But that's exactly what a distro would be for |
| 15:09.58 | Hukka | Someone would check the updates before hand, so the users wouldn't have to think too much |
| 15:10.01 | GargantuaSauce | oh a sunxi-specific distro you mean? |
| 15:10.04 | GargantuaSauce | yes that would be a good thing |
| 15:10.05 | Hukka | A forked kernel is not a problem for that |
| 15:10.07 | Hukka | Yeah |
| 15:10.17 | GargantuaSauce | get to work :) |
| 15:10.21 | uppermgmt | hmm they claim it can be updated https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cubie_Board |
| 15:10.21 | uppermgmt | interesting |
| 15:12.00 | Hukka | No mention of A20 support, though |
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| 15:51.39 | uppermgmt | re cubieboard that will no longer boot after a fedora update, does this look familiar to anyone? http://fpaste.org/48915/54298313/ |
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| 16:29.54 | froy | Hukka, I'm another gentoo user. I use it because it is easy to customize and make lean, not because I like to take forever to install. |
| 16:31.28 | froy | Gentoo is one of the few distros that doesn't get in your way and which doesn't break things with every upgrade, much what uppermgmt was asking about in his own distro. |
| 16:32.34 | froy | I have some gentoo systems that are over 8 years old and yet they're up to date and clean. |
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| 16:40.51 | froy | If you ever find yourself circumventing your distro's package system to install a program customized the way you like it, you're using the wrong distro. |
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| 18:06.14 | david00 | !ls |
| 18:13.44 | Hukka | You'd think that people would learn |
| 18:14.10 | Hukka | froy: Oh cool, so gentoo supports cubieboard2? |
| 18:15.45 | froy | yup, Hukka |
| 18:16.40 | froy | It's gentoo, all you really need is a bootstrap system that runs. You can tune it up for the cpu after that. |
| 18:18.03 | froy | I'm using the fedora kernel with my gentoo root filesystem, mostly because fedora did a sweet job configuring the kernel. |
| 18:20.31 | froy | http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv7a_hardfp/ |
| 18:20.44 | froy | there's a stage3 for gentoo on cubieboard 2. |
| 18:22.13 | froy | from there you can install gcc 4.7.x, and tune your CFLAGS with -march=armv7-a -mtune=cortex-a7 -mfpu=neon-vfpv4 -ftree-vectorize -mfloat-abi=hard |
| 18:22.50 | Hukka | Mmm, tuning |
| 18:23.05 | froy | or you could just not tune it, no biggie. |
| 18:24.25 | froy | gcc 4.7 just has the cortex-a7 cpu tune |
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| 18:52.58 | popolon | froy, I believe there is a flag, like -march=native, that already do the good job for that |
| 18:53.25 | popolon | -march=native causes the compiler to auto-detect the architecture of the build computer. |
| 18:53.25 | popolon | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.25 | popolon | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.45 | popolon | oh, so need to verify for cubieboard2 :) |
| 18:53.58 | popolon | else, froy if you can, use gcc-4.8 |
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| 18:54.45 | popolon | there is better support of cortex-a7/a15/a12 instructions (cortex a gen3), and better neon optimization |
| 18:55.04 | popolon | for autovectorization |
| 18:55.32 | popolon | do you think, that's available, or at least easily 'addable' to gentoo ? |
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| 18:55.51 | popolon | never tried gentoo, I used lfs during 3 or 4 yers |
| 18:55.54 | popolon | years |
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| 19:22.32 | etah12x0 | how to install centos on cubieboard2 ? |
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| 19:24.38 | jelly-home | not easily, do they even have armhf builds? |
| 19:27.05 | etah12x0 | jelly-home: i don`t khow |
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| 19:39.05 | derethor | !ls |
| 19:39.38 | derethor | !explpm faq |
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| 19:46.00 | popolon | froy, strange they don't use xz |
| 19:46.04 | popolon | instead of bez |
| 19:46.06 | popolon | bz2 |
| 19:46.34 | popolon | nothing says that's for cubieboard2 |
| 19:46.41 | popolon | only that's for cortex-a7 |
| 19:47.14 | popolon | well, that's already far better than ubuntu core that is for 'arm' |
| 19:47.19 | popolon | so probably armv6 compatible |
| 19:48.28 | popolon | oops I mean ARMv7, not cortex-A7 |
| 19:48.45 | popolon | so compatible cubieboard1/2 (and lot of other) probably |
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| 19:53.22 | GargantuaSauce | popolon / froy the ideal choice of compiler would be gcc 4.8 with the linaro patches i believe |
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| 20:00.18 | popolon | GargantuaSauce, what do they add ? |
| 20:00.40 | popolon | GargantuaSauce, I tried the glimsh lib, crashed a lot in my case, 0 success :)) |
| 20:00.54 | GargantuaSauce | stuff from ARM and other companies that hasn't made its way into the main tree yet |
| 20:00.58 | popolon | but ssvb said supertuxkart works just fine in his case |
| 20:01.09 | popolon | ok |
| 20:01.37 | GargantuaSauce | yeah it targets very little ogl (1.3 or 1.5 or something) and was tested for a different gpu |
| 20:01.49 | popolon | If I was trader, I had invest in arm last year ago, they growed by 36% this year :) |
| 20:02.00 | popolon | (but that's off topic) |
| 20:02.24 | popolon | on the readme they speak about opengl es 1.0 |
| 20:02.35 | popolon | but in source, you can see several opengl es 2.0 stuff |
| 20:03.01 | popolon | perhaps better to find stable version than git one |
| 20:03.25 | popolon | they are probably are in a refactory process of OpenGL ES 2 or something like that |
| 20:04.36 | popolon | glshim not glimsh |
| 20:05.37 | froy | sorry, popolon, I was at lunch. |
| 20:05.58 | froy | Yeah, -march=native doesn't work with gcc 4.7 afaik. It might with 4.8, I haven't tried. |
| 20:06.06 | popolon | no problem :) I can add a little bit of monolog and coorect my errors by myslelf :) |
| 20:07.51 | froy | yeah, it doesn't say it's for cubieboard2, but that doesn't really matter. |
| 20:08.02 | froy | cubieboard2 is a cortex-a7 |
| 20:08.05 | froy | so it will run |
| 20:08.33 | froy | like I said, you can use it to bootstrap a better tuned system. |
| 20:08.49 | froy | the thing about the at stage3 is that it doesn't include a kernel. |
| 20:09.05 | froy | since it doesn't include a kernel, it doesn't matter that it isn't specifically for cubieboard2 |
| 20:09.24 | froy | the thing that makes these distros cubieboard2 specific is that they need kernel support for the cubieboard2 hardware. |
| 20:09.59 | froy | if you have a kernel that supports the cubieboard2 hardware, you can use it with that armv7a-hardfp stage3 |
| 20:10.29 | froy | I plan to do the same with my cubietruck (which I'm waiting for, it has been in the mail all week) |
| 20:13.51 | popolon | :) |
| 20:14.03 | popolon | nice to have a truck |
| 20:14.16 | popolon | I do the same with ubuntu-core |
| 20:14.22 | popolon | that's about the same |
| 20:14.28 | popolon | no kernel, only base system |
| 20:14.48 | popolon | but need another system to have a chance to have the minimum working system |
| 20:15.20 | popolon | => need to download some stuff, else nothing will work, the avantage, you choose really the minimum you want |
| 20:15.22 | popolon | ... |
| 20:15.28 | froy | yeah, a binary distro that is compiled for cortex-a7 is just great if you're fine with being spoon fed their configuration. |
| 20:15.37 | froy | and most people are |
| 20:16.01 | popolon | but as far I gone, didn't tried 'ubuntu-server' metapackage, it didn't work very well (at least for network and clock) until I installed xubuntu-desktop |
| 20:16.18 | popolon | that's not for cortex-a7 |
| 20:16.23 | popolon | that's for ARMv7 |
| 20:16.25 | popolon | (for gentoo) |
| 20:16.29 | froy | I might try archlinux on cubie just for fun |
| 20:16.45 | froy | yeah, armv7. sorry, I get them mixed up too |
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| 20:17.07 | popolon | so => Cortex A8 (1st gen), Cortex A9/A5 (2nd gen) and Cortex A7/A12/a15) 3rd gen |
| 20:17.19 | froy | right |
| 20:17.29 | froy | and gcc 4.7 supports cortex a7 |
| 20:17.47 | popolon | not all functions of a7 |
| 20:17.59 | popolon | but the compatibility ones |
| 20:18.10 | froy | so with a source based distro, you can recompile stuff to take advantage of the features if you want to |
| 20:18.22 | popolon | Linux from scratch... |
| 20:18.28 | froy | yup |
| 20:18.29 | popolon | :) |
| 20:18.45 | popolon | anyway, as far I try |
| 20:18.49 | froy | I like LFS, but it's nice to have a package manager. it keeps thingss clean. |
| 20:19.12 | popolon | didn't get huge improvement from gcc-4.7 based ubuntu 13.04 to gcc-4.8 based ubuntu 13.10 |
| 20:19.34 | Bushmills | given that gnu license requires availability of source, possibility of recompilation isn't limited to "source based distros'" |
| 20:19.48 | froy | yes, of course Bushmills |
| 20:20.00 | popolon | but you should face lot of problems |
| 20:20.01 | Bushmills | oh, btw. even distros providing binaries come with compilers |
| 20:20.14 | popolon | dependencies, is the main problem |
| 20:20.29 | froy | yeah, recompiling redhat is a nightmare |
| 20:20.37 | popolon | if you want to make you own gcc package and install for example, inkscape |
| 20:21.00 | popolon | you need to install gcc and its libs from which depend inkscape-dev ... |
| 20:21.10 | popolon | and then overwrite it with your own sources |
| 20:21.17 | popolon | and have some problems eventually |
| 20:21.25 | popolon | like package update that overwrite your work |
| 20:21.34 | popolon | perhaps inkscape is not the best example |
| 20:21.56 | Bushmills | yes, having stuff compiled at installation time can simplify things. but your suggestion was that you *can* with source based ... |
| 20:22.11 | Bushmills | which is not a domain of source based alone |
| 20:23.05 | froy | okay, you *can* recompile everything in a binary distro. yes. but you may not have any hair on your head when you finish. |
| 20:23.19 | popolon | never seen binary based distro with easy adaptation of package depending on version you want |
| 20:23.28 | popolon | ppa is nice try for this |
| 20:23.55 | Bushmills | changing some fundamentals in gentoo leads to a whole lot of packages in need of recompilation too |
| 20:24.14 | froy | and that is the beauty of it. |
| 20:24.21 | popolon | but at least it could do it |
| 20:24.22 | popolon | :) |
| 20:24.23 | froy | I can run revdep-rebuild and catch and fix them all. |
| 20:24.40 | popolon | on most distro, you can easily break anything |
| 20:24.44 | popolon | with dependencies |
| 20:24.44 | froy | in a binary distro, it just breaks and you have to track it down and fix it yourself. |
| 20:25.08 | Bushmills | reverse dependencies you can list with binary distros too. |
| 20:25.09 | popolon | and finish by remove glibc, because of don't know wat depend of if |
| 20:25.17 | popolon | or glibc depend of anywhat |
| 20:25.18 | froy | gentoo is the only one that can easily clean up those library dependencies easily afaik. |
| 20:25.27 | Bushmills | using that output to recompile packages isn't that big a step then |
| 20:25.51 | froy | it's not about listing reverse dependencies, it's about finding library dependency breaks and fixing them easily. |
| 20:26.00 | Bushmills | binary distros don't require you to use binaries. |
| 20:26.11 | Bushmills | they just offer them to avoid the need of compilation |
| 20:26.26 | popolon | but require often fixed version of software/lib |
| 20:26.54 | popolon | sometime greater than, that is a good thing |
| 20:26.57 | Bushmills | theoretically both distros would be based on same sources |
| 20:27.25 | Bushmills | therefore same frequency of fixes |
| 20:27.34 | popolon | in reality not at all, every distro has its own phylosophy on what will be included and what will not |
| 20:27.47 | popolon | which version of the accepeted packages will or not... |
| 20:27.49 | Bushmills | that's why i said theoretically |
| 20:27.59 | popolon | yes, I agree |
| 20:28.05 | popolon | :) |
| 20:28.17 | Bushmills | but frequency of needs of fixes isn't determined by whether a distro is source based or binary |
| 20:28.26 | popolon | same frenquency of fixes => really depend on distro |
| 20:28.49 | Bushmills | it's more like the volume of distro specific mods and patches, and their qualityx |
| 20:29.00 | froy | how often do you trash everything on a system and start from scratch with a fresh install, Bushmills? |
| 20:29.02 | popolon | distros like ubuntu, you can make a bug report, even have the solution (that's easy, only change one line of source code or config file), and never seen it |
| 20:29.14 | Bushmills | for simplicity, let's just assume vanilla sources |
| 20:29.15 | popolon | two distro after, they use the last debian patch :( |
| 20:29.39 | Bushmills | froy, last time i did that was when i moved away from gentoo :) |
| 20:29.47 | froy | bhahaha |
| 20:30.10 | froy | my ubuntu friends do a fresh install with every major release. |
| 20:30.12 | popolon | on debian, they change sometime too slowly, there is still debate about libturbojpeg, that is here from several years |
| 20:30.15 | Bushmills | other than that, it never happened to me |
| 20:30.26 | Bushmills | ehm, wrong |
| 20:30.34 | popolon | and then only debian don't use SIMD to accelerate jpeg decoding |
| 20:30.36 | froy | kind of like windows. |
| 20:30.37 | Bushmills | i shot an sd card on cubieboard once :) |
| 20:30.38 | froy | :) |
| 20:30.54 | popolon | that's probably done, since 199x on M$ face of the computer world |
| 20:32.40 | froy | I'd probably still be running my first gentoo install from 2001 if the hardware wasn't such crap.. :) |
| 20:33.44 | Bushmills | that was about the year my gentoo suicided. |
| 20:34.18 | lunra | hey, the hardware's not crap, it just needs moar CFLAGS *grin* |
| 20:35.09 | lunra | (I'm saying that as a joke, not a serious insult :) ) |
| 20:40.59 | popolon | add CFLAGS=-make=fastest-code-never-seen, and hope that it's ZX-81 will work like the next 100 year coming computer |
| 20:41.11 | popolon | oops |
| 20:41.23 | popolon | s/make=/make-/ |
| 20:42.09 | popolon | probably still need some asm optimized/tricked code |
| 20:42.42 | lunra | pff that was introduced in gcc3.5, we have -fsingularity now |
| 20:43.34 | lunra | it creates an AI which makes the code faster each time until it knows everything possible about the universe and time ceases to exist -- thus it is infinitely fast |
| 20:46.11 | lunra | not to be confused with Micro$oft Singularity, which makes code infinitely slow |
| 20:46.14 | popolon | -march=use_p2p_network_brains_and_genetic_algorithms_to_optimize |
| 20:46.44 | lunra | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Singularity |
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| 21:04.32 | popolon | all that for a bsod |
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| 21:58.02 | mhaertel | Can somebody help me please: I successfully flashed linaro debian linux on my nand of cubieboard2. Now I want to flash android to nand again but Phoenixsuit is not recognizing the cubieboard. What can I do? Is there a way to flash the android image without phoenixsuit? |
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| 22:57.23 | eagles0513875 | hey guys :) |
| 22:57.28 | eagles0513875 | has the cubie truck been released yet? |
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