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| 00:10.52 | deasy | who have say small community for cubie :p |
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| 03:32.00 | Kesava | Hello all. I'm pretty excited about ordering a cubieboard, but am just wondering how it works with a 3.5" 2TB hard drive. Do I need external power for it to run? If so, is there any way that I can still use the SATA cable or would I end up having to connect it via USB? |
| 03:32.07 | Kesava | !ls |
| 03:35.18 | lunra | With 3.5" drives, you will need external power, sorry |
| 03:35.48 | lunra | You can still use the SATA cable but you have to use external power (but the ground lines must be connected together) |
| 03:36.49 | lunra | There have been people that have successfully used 3.5" HDDs, with both the cubie and the drive powered by an ATX PSU iirc |
| 03:40.26 | Kesava | Well I have an external hard drive enclosure that I can put my 2TB 3.5" in. It has external power and I could then connect to it with USB. That would be the simplest thing. My only concern is whether 1080p video will run fine over USB 2.0. Any idea? |
| 03:41.01 | GargantuaSauce | depending on the usb/sata bridge it should be fine |
| 03:42.16 | Kesava | I currently only use my PS3 for media, and it uses like 200 watt and only has a 320GB hard drive, so it is a big waste for only watching movies/shows. So a Cubieboard would be awesome to replace it. |
| 03:43.38 | Kesava | It has HDMI out, so that is perfect. The only thing I have to work out is connecting my 2TB 3.5" hard drive., |
| 03:44.49 | GargantuaSauce | you could also plug the sata right into the cubieboard and use the enclosure to power both it and the hd |
| 03:46.41 | Kesava | You mean if the cubieboard has a more powerful supply, it can run a 3.5"? So instead of USB I could power it with something else? If so, what sort of voltage/amperage is safe? |
| 03:47.34 | GargantuaSauce | a 3.5" drive requires 12v to run |
| 03:47.47 | GargantuaSauce | as well as 5v which the cubieboard runs on |
| 03:48.52 | Kesava | You're right. My enclosure's adapter puts out 12 volts @ 2 amps. |
| 03:48.55 | GargantuaSauce | the current requirement is usually printed on the drive's label |
| 03:49.38 | GargantuaSauce | and the cubieboard requires up to 2As |
| 03:49.55 | GargantuaSauce | so if the enclosure can supply 5v at 2A more than the harddrive requires you can use it to power both |
| 03:50.15 | GargantuaSauce | otherwise find another source of 12v and 5v with the required capacity |
| 03:50.47 | Kesava | The hard drive label says +5v 0.75A and +12v 0.75A. |
| 03:52.25 | GargantuaSauce | come to think of it the enclosure's onboard buck regulator probably can't do much more than an amp |
| 03:52.58 | GargantuaSauce | so you may need to power the cubieboard separately, in which case you need to tie the grounds together like lunra said |
| 03:53.06 | GargantuaSauce | (and pray both wallwarts are isolated) |
| 03:53.54 | Kesava | I can get my hands on another adapter easily enough, if I know what to get. I don't really understand what specifications it would need to have to power both. How many volt/amp? |
| 03:54.12 | GargantuaSauce | 5v, >2A |
| 03:54.44 | Kesava | So the hard drive will run at 5v? |
| 03:54.54 | Kesava | I mean it says it on the label, but how can it also run at 12v? |
| 03:54.58 | Kesava | Is there a difference? |
| 03:55.03 | GargantuaSauce | no, it needs 12 |
| 03:55.18 | GargantuaSauce | the enclosure provides 5 by stepping down the 12v |
| 03:56.53 | Kesava | Is 12v 3 amp sufficient? Or would 4 amp be better? |
| 03:57.33 | GargantuaSauce | your enclosure's current adapter will work fine |
| 03:57.42 | GargantuaSauce | to power the harddrive |
| 03:57.52 | GargantuaSauce | you just need 5v in addition to that for the cubieboard |
| 04:02.15 | Kesava | How do I tie the grounds together and why? I can also just get a 12v 4A power supply and use the pin, in order to power both at the same time. I'd much prefer to do that than power both separately if possible. |
| 04:03.07 | GargantuaSauce | what do you mean by the pin |
| 04:03.41 | GargantuaSauce | ideally you'd use a single power supply that does >1A at 12v and >3A at 5v |
| 04:04.18 | Kesava | the jack |
| 04:04.25 | GargantuaSauce | you could also use a 12v power supply and a step-down converter that gives you 5v from that |
| 04:06.29 | Kesava | I think this is what you mean: http://www.ebay.in/itm/DC-DC-Buck-Converter-Step-Down-Module-12V-to-5V-3-3V-3A-/181129474205?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item2a2c28709d&_uhb=1#ht_1802wt_1139 |
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| 04:07.13 | GargantuaSauce | yes, though you don't need the 3.3v rail that provides |
| 04:07.26 | Kesava | Yes but that's the only one I could find on ebay. |
| 04:07.54 | Kesava | Would having a higher amp, say 5amp 12volt power supply matter? Does it only put out what is required or is that too much power? |
| 04:08.16 | GargantuaSauce | the current rating of a power supply is an upper limit |
| 04:09.08 | GargantuaSauce | so nothing wrong with a higher rating except when you bring efficiency into the equation, which varies a lot from design to design anyway |
| 04:09.39 | Kesava | I see. Well I just found a dual power supply, 12v and 5v but it's only .75a. :( |
| 04:10.58 | GargantuaSauce | if you have an old pc power supply handy they are very easy to convert to use for this sort of thing |
| 04:13.08 | Kesava | I don't, but I could find one if necessary. I just want to find the simplest way to do it. I'm looking for dual power supplies right now, if I can't find one then I'll see what is the next best thing I can find :) |
| 04:16.58 | Kesava | I found this adapter that is designed for a hard drive. So I could power it without using the enclosure, which is bulky and then power the cubieboard using it's standard usb power. But would I still have to tie the grounds together? And if so, how is that done? |
| 04:17.02 | Kesava | http://www.ebay.in/itm/New-12V-5V-AC-Adapter-Power-Supply-PSU-For-HDD-Hard-Disk-Drive-IDE-CD-DVD-ROM-/261119912308?pt=IN_Computer_Components&hash=item3ccbf5a974&_uhb=1#ht_1016wt_1139 |
| 04:19.09 | GargantuaSauce | you could probably power the cubieboard with that in addition to the harddrive |
| 04:19.50 | GargantuaSauce | the 2A i cited from the board without thinking, it needs much less than that if it's not powering a 2.5" hd |
| 04:23.28 | GargantuaSauce | so get that and one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/110780126711 and cut up a power cable to run red/black to the cubieboad |
| 04:24.06 | Kesava | It looks like it has a 4 pin molex connector. So I'd need a molex to sata connector and then something else to be able to power the cubieboard? Do you think that finding an old pc power supply would be a far better option? Sounds like it to me :) |
| 04:24.52 | GargantuaSauce | oh yeah sata power hurrr |
| 04:25.09 | GargantuaSauce | well swap that cable for a sata power adapter |
| 04:25.28 | GargantuaSauce | or yeah use an atx supply |
| 04:26.18 | Kesava | Would a 450 watt atx power supply be efficient when running this? |
| 04:27.23 | GargantuaSauce | not particularly, but it won't be too terrible |
| 04:28.13 | GargantuaSauce | ideally you'd rip one out of a small form factor pc or something so it'd be lower power and less bulky but i'm sure that'll do just fine |
| 04:29.47 | Kesava | http://www.ebay.in/itm/SMPS-FOR-MINI-ITX-PC-OPEN-FRAME-POWER-SUPPLY-WITH-20-PIN-ATX-OUTPUT-/181133336739?pt=IN_Computer_Components&hash=item2a2c6360a3&_uhb=1#ht_688wt_1139 |
| 04:30.13 | Kesava | That's like $20. A bit expensive and doesn't look like it has sata power or anything. |
| 04:30.45 | GargantuaSauce | well no matter what you use, you're going to have to cut up and solder some cables |
| 04:31.12 | Kesava | Yeah I'm fine with that. Just need it to be simple enough that I don't mess it up :) |
| 04:31.56 | GargantuaSauce | that won't do actually, only does .5A at 12v |
| 04:33.43 | GargantuaSauce | i'd say use the harddrive adapter and http://www.ebay.com/itm/130495594072 |
| 04:33.57 | GargantuaSauce | also you should be using the US ebay since most sellers on there for this stuff are in china and ship worldwide anyway |
| 04:35.18 | Kesava | If I use something like that, do I need to tie the grounds together? |
| 04:35.49 | GargantuaSauce | no, since it's a single power supply both voltage rails are referenced to the same ground in the first place |
| 04:37.02 | GargantuaSauce | so it's just a question of lopping off the yellow wire right after the first sata connector, and running red and one black to the cubieboard's +5/ground |
| 04:38.11 | Kesava | Why lop off the yellow? |
| 04:38.22 | GargantuaSauce | because that's 12v and you only need it for the harddrive |
| 04:38.41 | Kesava | Okay. So I wouldn't need to remove it? |
| 04:38.57 | GargantuaSauce | it just needs to not dangle and short to ground |
| 04:39.42 | Kesava | Ah right. So ideally I'd lop off the yellow and one of the blacks then right? After the first sata connector. |
| 04:39.50 | GargantuaSauce | yes |
| 04:40.08 | Kesava | Okay. So yellow 12v red 5v. Now I'm understanding this better. |
| 04:40.20 | GargantuaSauce | oh yeah i probably should have made that clear |
| 04:40.29 | Kesava | I can probably get a molex to sata connector locally. |
| 04:40.49 | GargantuaSauce | it will probably cost more than a dollar |
| 04:41.29 | GargantuaSauce | (though it could take a month) |
| 04:41.39 | Kesava | Yeah that doesn't matter. Want it sooner rather than later. Will even pay $25 for DHL/Fedex for the Cubieboard. |
| 04:46.22 | Kesava | I just checked out the F10 Wireless keyboard/mouse on youtube, the one that is suggested on the cubieboard shoppify store. It looks fantastic. I'm definitely getting that as well! |
| 04:47.00 | Kesava | Does the cubieboard have places to solder external power supplies or do I have to remove the jack connector part? |
| 04:52.38 | GargantuaSauce | the jack is through-hole so you could probably solder it right to its leads on the bottom |
| 04:52.52 | GargantuaSauce | or perhaps the 5v sata power connector (not sure on that one) |
| 05:07.36 | Kesava | The Cubieboard only needs .5amp when it's not running a data drive, right? However I'm thinking that in order to use at it's full potential in the future, maybe I need to power it properly. I may just be better off and less confused if I just get a 12v 2A usb adapter for it and use my hard drive enclosure and connect the hard drive with USB. That way the hard drive has a case and is protected, I can move it around and it's powered |
| 05:08.20 | Kesava | If the cubieboard is getting it's proper amperage then I can add a 2.5" sata drive easily, as I have a few lying around. So it's probably going to be cheaper and easier for me to do that. |
| 05:09.00 | Kesava | I would find it exciting to work out and make this other system happen, but it's probably not practical when I already have a hard drive enclosure. |
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| 05:26.31 | Kesava | Alright I'm gonna order the Cubieboard, F10 wireless keyboard/mouse, black&white case right now! |
| 05:27.11 | Kesava | Thanks for your help GuargantuaSauce. It definitely helped me have a much better understanding of my options. I think once I have it here, I'll consider improving the setup and powering them both with a single supply. |
| 05:27.39 | GargantuaSauce | sounds like a plan |
| 05:28.27 | GargantuaSauce | thanks for enabling my procrastination ;) |
| 05:29.18 | Kesava | If only my hard drive enclosure's power supply cable wasn't almost about to break. I'm gonna have to rewire it. Other than that, I should be good to go. |
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| 05:33.39 | Kesava | http://www.ebay.in/itm/5V-2A-Amp-10W-2-USB-Port-Charger-Adapter-Ipad-Samsung-Tab-HTC-Sony-PSP-etc-/251272251200?pt=IN_Laptop_Desktop_Accessories&hash=item3a80fe4740&_uhb=1#ht_2470wt_1139 |
| 05:33.57 | Kesava | Does that look fine for powering the cubieboard? Need something that fits an indian socket. |
| 05:34.09 | Kesava | 5v 2A is exactly what it needs right? |
| 05:34.53 | GargantuaSauce | those cheap little usb chargers can be pretty sketchy |
| 05:35.14 | GargantuaSauce | it'll probably work but i wouldnt guarantee it won't destroy it at some point |
| 05:40.23 | Kesava | Okay. I'll see if I can buy a better quality one somewhere. |
| 05:40.56 | Kesava | I'm trying to order from http://cubieboard.myshopify.com but when I go to checkout, I can calculate the shipping cost but it doesn't seem to add it to the price that I'm paying. |
| 05:41.51 | Kesava | Even when it says below the main price (+$25 estimated shipping) it doesn't add that to the total I pay through Paypal. |
| 06:00.04 | Kesava | I can order from Miniand but then I won't be able to get the wireless keyboard/mouse. Has anyone else had issues with the shipping payment on cubieboard.myshopify.com? |
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| 06:12.31 | hao | hello all. Is there someone port ubuntu touch OS on cubieboard? |
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| 07:11.11 | dongs | haha touch screen ui on lunix |
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| 07:18.58 | hao | yeah, combine andriod library and linux |
| 07:19.05 | hao | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch |
| 07:31.56 | dongs | i lol'd at the picture https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=App-dev-tablet-GoMobile.png |
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| 07:54.11 | shineworld | a day perhaps someone will port ubuntu to cubie .... I'm dreaming |
| 07:54.20 | shineworld | ubuntu mobile os I mean |
| 07:55.03 | dongs | just take any random lunix distro and add in some african-themed wallpapers |
| 07:55.06 | dongs | problem: solved |
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| 10:31.52 | Kesava | I want to connect a 3.5" 2TB hard drive by Sata to the cubieboard I'm about to order. I'm trying to work out the best power configuration in order to power both easily. Either I can get a 12v 2a + 5v 2a AC adapter which should work, but wouldn't technically support the cubieboard and the hard drive, if the cubieboard is using it's full 2 amp. Or I can get a 400 watt computer psu to power both. It's bulker and around the same price |
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| 12:57.55 | esing | Hi, does cubieboard come with an MPEG2 license? |
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| 19:06.14 | simosx | !ls |
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| 19:09.57 | simosx | I am trying to get the Cubieboard into FEL mode. The instructions at http://linux-sunxi.org/FEL/USBBoot are confusing. What will my Ubuntu system show when the Cubieboard is correctly into FEL mode? |
| 19:11.40 | RaYmAn | lsusb should show a new device - I can't remember the exact name, but if you pastebin the output, it's easy to tell if it's there or not |
| 19:13.40 | simosx | RaYmAn, thanks, just got it with some jugling. It's 1f3a:efe8. You need to keep pressed the FEL button (under USB OTG), then connect the USB cable at the USB OTG port to power it up. |
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| 23:22.07 | serenecloud | so I think my cubieboard may be dead :( I powered it on this morning but all I get is the red LED showing light |
| 23:22.25 | serenecloud | the blue and green ones flick for a brief few milliseconds then go out |
| 23:23.56 | serenecloud | same when I power off the USB port - any ideas? |
| 23:33.03 | serenecloud | the power button responds, and when I plug in a LAN cable the LEDs for that are solid, not blinking |
| 23:33.21 | \\Mr_C\\ | anyone have a clean image of the latest debian wheezy? |
| 23:35.12 | rm | linux-sunxi.org/Bootable_OS_images |
