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| 08:26.59 | Gumby` | !ls |
| 08:29.08 | Gumby` | hi all. I am looking into cubieboard for a project I am that will play mp3 files and also connect to a remote server via wget to retrieve new mp3 files (if available). I am currently using raspberry pis for this project however I am running into SD Card corruption. If I were to install the OS onto the nand of the cubieboard would I see similar corruption? |
| 08:31.19 | Gumby` | the corruption of the sd cards is actually destroying the cards within roughly 2.5 weeks of continuous use in some cases |
| 08:37.43 | rm | I don't think anyone measured NAND flash durability compared to SD card durability |
| 08:38.12 | rm | I wouldn't expect it to be much higher |
| 08:38.26 | rm | also, many people use SD cards for years, so what you have seems abnormal |
| 08:38.51 | rm | did you consider storing MP3 files in RAM? |
| 08:39.03 | rm | could mount some folder as tmpfs |
| 08:39.14 | rm | with Cubieboard's 1GB of RAM there's plenty of space |
| 08:39.37 | Gumby` | rm: people use sd cards for years yes, however not 24/7 and not often with an OS writing data to it relatively often. If you were to check the raspberry pi forums you'd see I'm far from alone in this issue |
| 08:39.54 | Gumby` | I aleady mount /var/log/ and /tmp as tmpfs |
| 08:40.59 | Gumby` | ram may be an option, but that would mean each time the system boots new media would need to be downloaded. this is ok for a few units running, but not in the case that 50+ are used in the field |
| 08:42.18 | Gumby` | so far I have seen about 15 SDHC cards fail. Most 4GB and a few 8GB, different bands, different classes |
| 08:42.47 | Gumby` | s/bands/brands |
| 08:57.20 | user | Gumby`, to do continue writing on SD cards is the perfectway to destroy them. chip flash on CB is same technology of SD, so if you do continue writing on flash, you will destroy it. ise sata disk for continue I/O, NOT theSD or flash. |
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| 08:58.58 | Gumby` | user: I figured that may be the way I am heading. Do you know off hand if there are any cubie cases that can house a sata HDD ? |
| 09:00.10 | user | no still not exist. u can do home-made pastic layers to tun in a pile CB and HD. I plan to to tat. not nice to see, but it works. |
| 09:01.51 | Gumby` | yeah. I'd have about 30 to do :) |
| 09:03.39 | user | first you start, first you finish. |
| 09:03.50 | lunra | Do you have swap on them? |
| 09:04.24 | Gumby` | lunra: the pis? no I do not |
| 09:04.51 | lunra | OK, because IIRC the Rasbian image had an option for it |
| 09:05.13 | lunra | So I imagine a lot of people were cooking cards that way |
| 09:05.41 | Gumby` | yeah probably |
| 09:06.57 | Gumby` | I did this project for a client and now I am regretting it. as mentioned there are about 30 pis in the field and about 15 have had failed SD cards, some after only two weeks of use. I'm still seeing failures even after making mods to the base OS to stop as many writes as I can. |
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| 09:49.29 | buZz | Allwinner Technology’s open source model can be traced back to its single-core A10, whose kernel source code was enthusiastically released to the open source community. |
| 09:49.35 | buZz | enthusiastically? :P |
| 09:49.36 | buZz | lol |
| 09:49.41 | buZz | 'HERE YOU GO!' |
| 09:49.45 | buZz | 'eh this is crap' |
| 09:49.50 | buZz | 'YES YOU ARE WELCOME!!!1!1!' |
| 09:49.52 | buZz | :P |
| 09:57.57 | DV | heh |
| 09:58.31 | DV | as long as it can be fixed and maintained, that's still way better than the average |
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| 10:08.55 | lunra | Gumby`: I -really- doubt this is the problem, and it could make it worse, but have you tried using a non-journalled filesystem? |
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| 11:53.50 | voltagex | hi, trying to build from https://github.com/maxnet/linux-allwinner-aufs34 and I'm getting drivers/media/audio/sun4i_dev_ace.c:38:24: fatal error: mach/clock.h: No such file or directory |
| 11:53.53 | voltagex | drivers/media/audio/sun4i_dev_ace.c:38:24: fatal error: mach/clock.h: No such file or directory |
| 11:54.14 | voltagex | oops, apologies for the paste |
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| 13:24.11 | simosx | Hi All! I am trying " sudo cu -s 115200 -l /dev/ttyUSB0" and I get |
| 13:24.18 | simosx | cu: open (/dev/ttyUSB0): Permission denied |
| 13:24.18 | simosx | cu: /dev/ttyUSB0: Line in use |
| 13:24.47 | simosx | Is this a known issue? |
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| 13:35.15 | buZz | 15:24:18 < simosx> cu: /dev/ttyUSB0: Line in use |
| 13:35.19 | buZz | if you have it in use |
| 13:35.28 | buZz | its quite common for a program to tell you its in use |
| 13:39.25 | simosx | buZz, I had a look at http://unixetc.co.uk/2013/02/25/connect-to-sheevaplug-usb-from-red-hat/ which says that even with sudo, it gives "Line in use". |
| 13:39.55 | buZz | i opened serial ports from cubie |
| 13:39.57 | buZz | works fine |
| 13:40.10 | buZz | why do you want to use cu btw? |
| 13:40.18 | buZz | why not minicom? |
| 13:41.12 | simosx | buZz, just tried "sudo chgrp root /dev/ttyUSB0" and now 'cu' works. Also 'minicom' works now. |
| 13:41.26 | buZz | who did it belong to before? |
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| 13:41.57 | buZz | are you running gnome btw? |
| 13:42.16 | buZz | because gnome locks all serial ports 'every now and then' through networkmanager which is probing for 3G modems |
| 13:42.54 | simosx | buZz, it belonged to group 'dialout'. I am running Ubuntu 12.10. I could have added my user to group 'dialout', but it's easier to chgrp. Apparently AppArmor is in place or something. |
| 13:46.54 | simosx | just updated http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard/TTL#Software with this tip. |
| 13:47.17 | buZz | its not related to that |
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| 13:50.05 | buZz | that page is about the serial port of the Cubieboard |
| 13:50.15 | buZz | you are having problems opening USB serialports |
| 13:50.53 | buZz | rolls back the edit |
| 13:51.21 | buZz | chgrp root is also highly unrecommended |
| 13:52.07 | simosx | buZz, the right solution is to add the desktop user to the 'dialout' group, and then logout/login again. |
| 13:52.15 | buZz | obviously |
| 13:52.20 | buZz | that is the normal linux method |
| 13:52.44 | buZz | so a) is not cubieboard specific, b) is not related to cubieboards serial port |
| 13:52.50 | simosx | In addition, commands like 'cu' and 'minicom' are being ran on the deskop computer, so it looks it fits. |
| 13:52.52 | buZz | its not even sunxi specific |
| 13:53.06 | buZz | 'how do i linux' posts dont belong on that wiki :) sorry |
| 13:53.40 | simosx | are you gonna remove the references to 'cu' and 'minicom' as well? |
| 13:56.38 | lunra | Meh. The more pages that say something other than 'lol just run it as root' the better. |
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| 14:42.56 | user_2 | from where can i download the latest image to flash on 4GB flash on cubieboard? |
| 14:56.07 | simosx | user_2, are you looking for the Android image? |
| 14:56.26 | user_2 | simosx, no, no android. im looking for bare debian |
| 14:56.50 | qermit | huh, bare debian |
| 14:56.51 | Yaku-noob | http://romanrm.ru/en/a10/debian |
| 14:57.09 | Yaku-noob | headless |
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| 15:02.51 | user_2 | thanks |
| 15:03.46 | user_2 | huh, no headless. i need video output, i want to install a desktop. I need standard debian to starto, and to install over it the rest of applications i need. |
| 15:04.56 | simosx | user_2, Roman also has a Desktop image, with a 3.4 Linux kernel. Look for that. |
| 15:05.48 | krimpsok | Anyone successful in trying to run one of the newer sunxi kernels with the opentv android source? |
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| 15:16.08 | rm | no desktop image at the moment |
| 15:16.31 | rm | user_2, check out the list at http://linux-sunxi.org/Bootable_OS_images |
| 15:16.43 | user_2 | rm, thanks. |
| 15:17.46 | user_2 | rm, i see a Minimal Debian Wheezy "Server" image by rm :-) |
| 15:19.06 | user_2 | is that a server in what meaning? look, i think the best is a barebone tiny installation wuth standard apt-get avaiable. over that, one can build what he want (if able to do, of course) |
| 15:19.26 | user_2 | i will try both "desktop" and "server" images |
| 15:19.32 | rm | it still has a kernel that does not enable any graphics output by default |
| 15:19.59 | rm | you can get that image then install my "desktop" kernel into it |
| 15:20.13 | rm | get 100 MB less RAM |
| 15:20.20 | rm | but ability to run GUI |
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| 15:28.35 | user_2 | rm im confused... is you "headless" image running only via 115200 serial linne? |
| 15:29.00 | user_2 | to user 115K to controll via usb/seial, i mean |
| 15:29.32 | rm | ssh |
| 15:29.39 | rm | over tcp/ip over ethernet |
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| 15:32.30 | user_2 | ok, ssh is wellcome the same |
| 15:33.02 | user_2 | i will go first woth "deskpot" image, but laso your "server" image will be usefull to me. |
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| 16:33.43 | lunra | sweet, apparently a buspirate can be used as a 3v3 UART bridge (http://dangerousprototypes.com/bus-pirate-manual/bus-pirate-uart-guide/) |
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| 16:39.40 | Undertasker | I have a buspirate pcb, and the components, but intil now wasn't in the mood to solder it |
| 16:41.31 | Undertasker | I have lots of usb/serial converters, and a Saleae logic analyzer, so I actually don't need it |
| 16:43.51 | SquirrelCZECH | eeeeeeeh |
| 16:43.55 | SquirrelCZECH | *eeeeeeeeeeeej |
| 16:44.19 | SquirrelCZECH | my battery-powered-arduino-webcam-cubieboard-wifiadapter-system is online! :-) |
| 16:44.28 | SquirrelCZECH | P.S: I am bad at finding names |
| 16:45.02 | Undertasker | call it bpawcws :-D |
| 16:45.25 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 16:47.31 | Undertasker | I'm currently testing an A10 board (Mini-X) as a Squeezebox player with XBMC and XSqueeze plugin |
| 16:50.27 | lunra | SquirrelCZECH: Sorted out your webcam FPS issues? |
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| 16:53.07 | SquirrelCZECH | lunra: yes |
| 16:53.12 | SquirrelCZECH | there wasn't issue ever |
| 16:53.29 | SquirrelCZECH | webcams just lower their framerate when it's dark around :-/ |
| 16:53.37 | lunra | oh! wow, TIL |
| 16:53.39 | SquirrelCZECH | teste it only around 10 oclock PM.... |
| 16:53.42 | SquirrelCZECH | so... :-/ |
| 16:53.51 | SquirrelCZECH | doesn't like when something is smarter than him! :D |
| 16:54.46 | lunra | hehe, I was getting anxious when you said you were having troubles, because I'm building a bot that uses a webcam |
| 16:55.08 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 16:55.16 | SquirrelCZECH | lost because of this problem 2 months :-) |
| 16:55.23 | SquirrelCZECH | just because I didn't know one single thing... :-) |
| 16:55.37 | lunra | Thanks for telling me the solution, I'll add LEDs to the front of the bot :D |
| 16:55.38 | SquirrelCZECH | lunra: but this problem showed after I "manually" selected 1Ghz on CPU |
| 16:55.59 | SquirrelCZECH | because otherwise there was 90% load (cpu scaling worked well) and I thought that cubie is just not powerfull enoug |
| 16:56.01 | SquirrelCZECH | *enough |
| 16:56.28 | SquirrelCZECH | after I set 1Ghz, I saw on "top" that "ffmpeg" creates only 5% load (6FPS around that time) so it's ... :-) |
| 16:56.31 | SquirrelCZECH | lunra: :D |
| 16:56.52 | SquirrelCZECH | I supposed that if webcam woudln't lower the framerate |
| 16:56.53 | lunra | What's the load like at the full FPS and 1GHz? |
| 16:57.05 | SquirrelCZECH | you woudln't see a thing... |
| 16:57.09 | SquirrelCZECH | lunra: oooh |
| 16:57.13 | SquirrelCZECH | didn't tested :D |
| 16:57.20 | SquirrelCZECH | and it's dark already |
| 16:57.25 | lunra | yep, "Try increasing the available light. In a reduced light setting the webcam automatically increases its exposure time in order to compensate. If the camera did not do this and continued to run at a fixed 25-30 fps then the video would be quite dark." |
| 16:57.31 | lunra | (http://support.creative.com/kb/ShowArticle.aspx?sid=43354) |
| 16:57.38 | SquirrelCZECH | :-/ |
| 16:58.17 | SquirrelCZECH | lunra: try to contact me on this channel around 15:00 oclock, I will do the test (I will forgot it otherwise O:-), dumb memory of mine) |
| 16:58.23 | SquirrelCZECH | P.S: I've got 18:55 now |
| 16:58.26 | jelly-home | uvc cameras usually expose a lot of tunables, some of them control auto-exposure |
| 16:59.00 | lunra | thanks SquirrelCZECH :) |
| 16:59.47 | SquirrelCZECH | :-) |
| 17:00.04 | SquirrelCZECH | lunra: I suppose that I will be online |
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| 17:00.59 | SquirrelCZECH | got one problem left |
| 17:01.04 | SquirrelCZECH | software for wireless |
| 17:01.15 | SquirrelCZECH | needs something simple, cli, to "start" wifi |
| 17:01.37 | lunra | wpa_supplicant? |
| 17:01.50 | lunra | 'simple' is hard to define |
| 17:02.05 | lunra | Do you mean efficient/lightweight, or very easy to use? |
| 17:02.25 | lunra | wicd's ncurses UI is very easy to use, but wicd is pretty heavy |
| 17:03.40 | SquirrelCZECH | easy to use :D |
| 17:03.45 | SquirrelCZECH | but I don't have X :-) |
| 17:03.58 | SquirrelCZECH | which is problem, because most of the things I found are based on GUI |
| 17:04.06 | SquirrelCZECH | P.S: I use wicd on laptop :-) |
| 17:07.11 | lunra | wicd has an ncurses UI |
| 17:07.14 | lunra | no need for X |
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| 17:07.28 | lunra | perhaps the debian or ubuntu package (mistakenly) tries to install x anyway |
| 17:09.28 | SquirrelCZECH | archlinux :-) |
| 17:10.54 | lunra | yay, another arch user |
| 17:11.04 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 17:11.13 | SquirrelCZECH | loves arch |
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| 17:12.07 | Baikonur | i should probably install arch in my laptop but it's so much work to get even the basic things work |
| 17:12.36 | Baikonur | not to mention things like fn + f5/f6 for brightness control |
| 17:12.43 | lunra | I wouldn't run Arch on a laptop if I were you, because I'd expect a laptop to be working when you need it, and Arch doesn't provide any stability guarantees |
| 17:13.17 | Baikonur | who does |
| 17:13.25 | SquirrelCZECH | ehm |
| 17:13.30 | SquirrelCZECH | lunra: it does |
| 17:13.36 | SquirrelCZECH | but you have to be experienced user |
| 17:13.57 | SquirrelCZECH | and you have to check archlinux.org, and some other things to do everytime |
| 17:14.08 | lunra | yeah |
| 17:14.11 | SquirrelCZECH | Baikonur: on first try? |
| 17:14.13 | SquirrelCZECH | yes |
| 17:14.20 | lunra | but things can go wrong much easier on Arch |
| 17:14.27 | SquirrelCZECH | but on 4th I installed it after 4 hours? :-) |
| 17:14.29 | SquirrelCZECH | lunra: yes |
| 17:14.36 | SquirrelCZECH | but if you spend time learning ... |
| 17:14.39 | lunra | For one, a smaller userbase and more updates mean less testing |
| 17:15.09 | SquirrelCZECH | you become experienced user with system that can give you really good results ;-) |
| 17:15.22 | SquirrelCZECH | lunra: But I've got your point |
| 17:15.22 | Baikonur | i installed linux minty debian edition with cinnamon desktop on the laptop (or netbook rather), but i'm not happy with it |
| 17:15.29 | lunra | Arch is my favourite distro now, but I wouldn't run it on a critical server for instance (even now that there's package signing) |
| 17:15.40 | Baikonur | (or is it just mint, without the y?) |
| 17:15.43 | SquirrelCZECH | for me ... archlinux-stable would be "gold" under the heaven |
| 17:16.05 | SquirrelCZECH | because I can't find any single distribution with a such nice KISS thinking |
| 17:16.45 | Baikonur | but using arch would teach me so much more about linux than using something like minty or ubuntu |
| 17:16.47 | SquirrelCZECH | lunra: there is dbus error if I tri wicd-curses |
| 17:16.51 | SquirrelCZECH | Baikonur: yes |
| 17:16.59 | lunra | is dbus running? |
| 17:17.05 | SquirrelCZECH | nope |
| 17:17.07 | SquirrelCZECH | :-) |
| 17:17.08 | lunra | perhaps you might need dbus |
| 17:17.14 | lunra | (that sucks! :|) |
| 17:17.32 | SquirrelCZECH | Baikonur: I had archlinux on my "old computer" as "testing server" (learning, first linux machine ever) for year |
| 17:17.44 | SquirrelCZECH | after that I've half-year pause |
| 17:17.48 | SquirrelCZECH | *I had |
| 17:17.52 | lunra | goodnight |
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| 17:18.04 | SquirrelCZECH | and after that I've got new laptop-> 2 months ubuntu and after that archlinux :-) |
| 17:18.10 | SquirrelCZECH | it's almost year and half now |
| 17:18.22 | SquirrelCZECH | I have archlinux on my main laptop, on my homeserver, cubieboard |
| 17:18.27 | Baikonur | i've had arch linux on my previous laptop i had, like 5 years ago |
| 17:18.34 | Baikonur | but not for long |
| 17:18.46 | SquirrelCZECH | only exception is my netbook, because I need one machine which works 99% :-) |
| 17:18.49 | SquirrelCZECH | (lubuntu) |
| 17:19.10 | SquirrelCZECH | Baikonur: it gives you a lot |
| 17:19.12 | SquirrelCZECH | but to be honest |
| 17:19.14 | Baikonur | my netbook is mostly for using irc and browser during lectures |
| 17:19.32 | SquirrelCZECH | I think about switching to different distribution just because I don't have time to live with archlinux :-/ |
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| 20:23.51 | mbriza | hey guys, please, is there _any_ easy to use linux image which runs (or contains, in the best case) xbmc/vlc smooth and setting everything up doesn't take hours? |
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| 20:27.56 | Undertasker | mbriza, there is currently NO XBMC version that runs really smooth on A10. |
| 20:29.04 | Undertasker | If you are looking for a cheap XBMC platform, try Raspberry Pi or Amlogic based boards |
| 20:30.17 | Undertasker | There is also no official support for A10 by XBMC developers |
| 20:30.53 | Undertasker | Support from Allwinner is so bad, that they stopped all activities. |
| 20:31.13 | Undertasker | And don't recommend buying Allwinner hardware |
| 20:31.31 | rellla | undertasker, not really smooth, but a bit. |
| 20:31.51 | Undertasker | Some independent developers are still trying |
| 20:32.06 | rellla | have you tested xbmc yet? |
| 20:32.12 | Undertasker | Yes, but not with hardware support |
| 20:32.17 | mbriza | Undertasker: ah, thanks, well, haven't got this far to be honest |
| 20:33.11 | Undertasker | All versions I tested need about 100% system load, and will fry the A10 sooner or later, if you don't use a heat spreader |
| 20:33.24 | rellla | then you should try it with hardware support imo. |
| 20:33.47 | Undertasker | All version I found had so many problems that i gave up |
| 20:34.14 | Undertasker | The latest nightlies from official XBMC don't even install on A10 |
| 20:34.22 | rellla | it IS working smooth. but not all codecs are working perfectly. |
| 20:34.32 | rellla | official xbmc will NOT work. |
| 20:34.38 | Undertasker | What version, from where? |
| 20:34.50 | Undertasker | Maybe I dind't find all |
| 20:35.12 | rellla | try empatzero's: github.com/rellla/xbmca10 |
| 20:35.32 | rellla | and try reading linux-sunxi.org/XBMC |
| 20:36.36 | Undertasker | Well, I'm not in the mood to compile it myself today |
| 20:36.37 | rellla | after that, report and think about recommending to buy allwinner ;) cubieboard is a10, too btw. |
| 20:37.13 | Undertasker | Actually, I'm thinking of selling all my A10 stuff and switching to something with a real datasheet |
| 20:37.24 | Undertasker | Freescale, maybe |
| 20:37.43 | rellla | when did you start with allwinner? |
| 20:37.59 | Undertasker | before christmas |
| 20:40.26 | Undertasker | Did you compile it? |
| 20:40.32 | rellla | don't know if there is any better support for video-decoding by the others - freescale, amlogic... |
| 20:41.14 | Undertasker | amlogic: partly, because it is one of the main hardwares for xbmx development |
| 20:42.03 | Undertasker | freescale: yes, the datasheets for the i.mx6 is publicly available, and about 100 times the size of the A10 datasheet |
| 20:42.30 | rellla | i have a mygica a11 here, but not tried very much with it. xbmc works, but streaming mpeg2-ts was even more worse then on a10. |
| 20:42.36 | Undertasker | Also freescale supports the development of OS graphics/video drivers |
| 20:43.30 | rellla | if you sell your a10 stuff, tell me ;) |
| 20:43.43 | Undertasker | the mygica is a single core, like the a10 |
| 20:44.20 | rellla | i tried j1nx's xbmc build |
| 20:44.43 | Undertasker | Amazingly, the raspberry pi has a much weaker hardware, but XBMC works perfectly. If you overclock it a little bit |
| 20:44.50 | rellla | is looking forward to a20-cubie |
| 20:45.38 | Undertasker | Isn't there a precompiled binary? |
| 20:45.50 | rellla | for? |
| 20:45.59 | vinifm | Undertasker: Allwinner is who sells the cheapest soc |
| 20:46.30 | Undertasker | Maybe, but the docs are crap |
| 20:47.28 | vinifm | yeah, I agree and hope that this will change |
| 20:47.53 | Undertasker | Also, i don't understand why Olimex is selling A13 boards for industrial use. The A13 is a cheap entertainment SOC. Without proper docs and without any certification. |
| 20:48.30 | Undertasker | If you use this for an industrial project, and anything bad happens, you will go to jail |
| 20:53.01 | Undertasker | While I like the idea to port linux to cheap consumer hardware, and use it for interesting projects, having no usable documentation sucks. |
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| 20:53.18 | Undertasker | We all like cheap hardware. |
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| 21:29.20 | bosman | ls |
| 21:29.23 | bosman | !ls |
| 21:30.57 | bosman | !explpm sata-multiplier |
| 21:31.38 | bosman | !explpm sata-harddrve |
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| 21:47.45 | bosman | Hi. Is some one from dev tteam or at least designated to contact with customers present? |
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