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| 07:10.44 | user_2 | gentlemen, someonce can explain me divverence between JTAG and DEBUG SERIAL LINE? what can i do with first tat i can't do with second? |
| 07:11.47 | BigWhoop[DE] | seems the same? |
| 07:13.25 | user_2 | BigWhoop[DE], i dont know, so i ask. I wonder if to buy JTac chip to connetc tu uSD or not. Because i amready have the usb/rs232 converter and in works smooth, i don t to buy redundant hardware. |
| 07:17.05 | dongs | lol. |
| 07:17.15 | dongs | if you have to ask what jtag is or what its for, you dont need it. |
| 07:19.06 | BigWhoop[DE] | thats true :) |
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| 07:41.06 | user_2 | dongs, if i dont need it, why they place on CB? :-) |
| 07:41.36 | dongs | uh. |
| 07:41.41 | dongs | for people who need it. |
| 07:41.48 | dongs | which isnt you |
| 07:41.51 | user_2 | funny sentence,m but the qeuton is serious: if jtag can give me vantage over ttl line, so i can buy. |
| 07:42.29 | user_2 | i. e.: rs232 go max at 115200, maybe jtag is faster? |
| 07:43.13 | user_2 | in other way: is jtag emulating a normal rs232 line or it ca ndo "more" for me? |
| 07:46.37 | dongs | w h a a a a a t |
| 07:46.43 | dongs | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.44 | dongs | again. |
| 07:46.53 | dongs | very relevant to current conversation. |
| 07:47.40 | dongs | based on things you've said so far, you definitely do NOT need it. |
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| 08:40.53 | lunra | Has anyone encountered a 2.5" HDD that requires 12v/does not work on the cubieboard? |
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| 10:37.35 | codertux | lunra: I think all 2.5" hdds only require 5v to operate |
| 10:39.10 | codertux | I've installed debian to a SD card but I can't find much info on installing it to the nand? any ideas? |
| 10:40.51 | lunra | Thankyou codertux :) |
| 10:41.11 | lunra | Installing to the NAND seems to require using LiveSuit which is a major PITA |
| 10:41.46 | lunra | https://www.miniand.com/wiki/Allwinner/Unpacking+and+building+LiveSuit+images http://linux-sunxi.org/LiveSuit_images |
| 10:42.34 | codertux | lunra: about the hdd, I've just tried an image from guillaumeplayground (hope my spelling is right) which claimed to support SATA, but it wouldn power on the hdd even after modprobing the relevant module. Now I've built my own image and it works fine. |
| 10:43.18 | codertux | lunra: I'll keep running it from sd until I polish it |
| 10:43.34 | lunra | That's really weird. |
| 10:45.45 | codertux | lunra: weirder things have happened :) |
| 10:46.03 | lunra | Oh yes, indeed. |
| 10:49.13 | user_2 | codertux, is 3.5'' hdd requiring also 12V? |
| 10:49.40 | codertux | 3.5" hdds require 12v, 2.5" don't |
| 10:49.50 | user_2 | the hell! |
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| 10:51.23 | lunra | 2.5" are designed for laptops which are less likely to even be able to supply 12v |
| 10:51.43 | lunra | however I imagine 3.5" drives require the higher voltage to get the platters up to 7200RPM+ |
| 10:52.07 | lunra | But I thought it was possible that, stupidly, 2.5" might still in some cases require 12v |
| 10:52.42 | user_2 | idea was to use 3.5'' sata disk on CB to enlarge room for data, so i need 12V also |
| 10:53.34 | codertux | lunra: 2.5" hdd are compatible with the esata-p (pseudo)standard, which only supplies 5v to them |
| 10:53.45 | lunra | Well, if you already have the drive, try it |
| 10:54.07 | lunra | If not, buy a 2.5" drive -- 1TB is surely enough? o_o |
| 10:54.32 | lunra | codertux: Thanks again! |
| 10:54.32 | codertux | lunra: a bigger problem would be if you have a weird drive that draws more current than the cubie can supply, I have two drives that draw 500mA and work fine |
| 10:54.52 | lunra | I calculated the drive I was looking at to use a peak of 340mA at 5V, iirc |
| 10:55.01 | user_2 | im trying to do a cubiebox, to use a old powersupply 250W to take 12V is no a problem. |
| 10:55.16 | codertux | lunra: that should be fine |
| 10:55.35 | codertux | user_2: yeah, an old atx psu should do the trick just fine. you could also power the cubie from it |
| 10:55.56 | lunra | 1.6W / 5V = 0.32A, right? |
| 10:56.01 | user_2 | codertux, yes :-) |
| 10:56.27 | lunra | That powersupply is going to be _massively_ underutilised which could damage it, or so I hear |
| 10:56.29 | codertux | lunra: yep |
| 10:56.43 | codertux | lunra: don't think so (about the damage) |
| 10:57.10 | lunra | Something about it flying back whenever you drop load off it which is somehow a bigger problem when the load is low |
| 10:58.12 | codertux | lunra: I've used an old psu for experiments for quite a while, didn't break yet :) |
| 10:58.21 | codertux | anyway, ymmv I guess |
| 10:58.51 | lunra | Don't believe everything you read on the 'net I guess :) |
| 10:59.05 | lunra | efficiency would be a concern though |
| 11:00.32 | codertux | i don't disagree with that :) |
| 11:00.58 | codertux | what do you guys use your cubieboards for? |
| 11:01.45 | lunra | I'm thinking about building a bot. I'm currently boardless though ;) |
| 11:02.46 | lunra | I'm going to be using dual cubieboards I think, since I'll be doing stuff with a lot of DSP, neural nets, graphic algorithms, etc |
| 11:03.19 | Gumboot | dongs: I used to use a JTAG interface for debugging before I really knew what it was. |
| 11:04.13 | user_2 | lunra, neural net on ARM? i hope you will use x86 to do training :) |
| 11:04.41 | Gumboot | user_2: 232 is just a boring old serial interface which you can access from software. JTAG is a chip-level debug interface. |
| 11:04.56 | Gumboot | s/software/software on the target/ |
| 11:05.01 | lunra | user_2: Is there a particular reason why it would be slower on ARM? Other than the fact that the ARM is slower? |
| 11:05.16 | lunra | I'm aware floating point kindof sucks on the A8 line, so I'll be using fixed-point |
| 11:05.18 | Gumboot | drops out of scrollback. |
| 11:05.56 | user_2 | lunra, my NN need days on 3Ghz x86 yto get trained. I scare to do the same on CB, so much more time to wait |
| 11:06.28 | user_2 | Gumboot, thanks. any link i can read about? wikipedian doenst help me so much. |
| 11:06.37 | lunra | o_o I assume that was a very large net and a very large training set |
| 11:07.03 | user_2 | no. 2 hidden layers, 16 neuron each. |
| 11:07.20 | lunra | O_o |
| 11:07.32 | lunra | Were you using FANN? |
| 11:07.35 | user_2 | maybe if i add more neuros he need lest tome to train, i dono. |
| 11:07.50 | user_2 | FANN? stay for? |
| 11:07.53 | lunra | http://leenissen.dk/fann/wp/ |
| 11:08.12 | BigWhoop[DE] | codertux when you have your debian on the sd card you can put it to nand directly |
| 11:08.23 | BigWhoop[DE] | http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard/Installing_on_NAND |
| 11:08.31 | lunra | I used to use some code I fixed up from the internet for NNs, but FANN is really awesome |
| 11:08.53 | BigWhoop[DE] | when you allready have and linux on sd card you can start from: "Next you can boot your Cubieboard with the system on the SD card." |
| 11:09.51 | user_2 | lunra, no FANN, i developed NN by my own |
| 11:10.26 | codertux | BigWhoop[DE]: hmmm, thanks :) |
| 11:11.53 | lunra | I am using a 4GHz AMD 8350 as my development system but I've never had more than a second of training lag with small nets with FANN. it's important to use training data that has a large amplitude/variation between values. |
| 11:12.19 | user_2 | my NN was monotread, doenst user multicore. |
| 11:12.42 | lunra | FANN is singlethreaded as well |
| 11:12.49 | user_2 | ok |
| 11:13.27 | user_2 | what are the limit of FANN? layer, neuron per layer? |
| 11:13.58 | lunra | I suppose 2^(sizeof(int)*8) |
| 11:14.38 | user_2 | mmm |
| 11:16.01 | user_2 | i see tey example for XOR: 2-3x3-1 (2 in 3 layer with 3 neuron each) one imput. My xor NN is only 2-2x2-1 :-) |
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| 11:48.30 | codertux | anyone running a torrent client on the cubie? |
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| 11:50.45 | lunra | Anyone know if the cubie serial port is 5V tolerant? I doubt it but the PL2303-HX USB->Serial adapter chip datasheet tells me "The RS-232 input signals are always 5V~3V tolerant." though this isn't RS-232... |
| 11:51.10 | lunra | codertux: I ran transmission-gtk on an MK802, and it worked well |
| 11:51.42 | codertux | lunra: I'm running transmission-daemon and it uses 100% cpu when reaching 6-7MB/s |
| 11:52.00 | codertux | am I doing something wrong or is that expected? |
| 11:52.52 | lunra | Odd, I don't get those kind of speeds but IIRC it didn't use much CPU at all |
| 11:52.58 | lunra | Have you tried rtorrent? |
| 11:53.13 | codertux | the download is finished now, seeding at 40kb/s and using 30% cpu ;/ |
| 11:53.35 | codertux | lunra: rtorrent is next on my list |
| 11:55.03 | codertux | is suspecting cpu governors |
| 11:55.30 | lunra | max the clock, see what happens |
| 11:57.02 | lunra | facepalms |
| 11:57.03 | lunra | The CubieBoard (Rich package) is currently supplied with a Prolific PL2303 USB cable. |
| 11:57.17 | lunra | It should be fine then |
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| 11:59.57 | lunra | Ehh, then again it's probably best that I only connect via SSH :| until I need something from adafruit and can get one of their cables |
| 12:02.07 | codertux | hears the dreadful click of death... |
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| 12:10.00 | Dave77 | where can I buy 24x2 2mm sockets for baseboard PCB ? I have seen 22x2 but not 24x2 |
| 12:10.38 | lunra | You could cut up 2 22x2s to make a 24x2 if you had to |
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| 12:33.27 | user_2 | 2'' step... bleach! |
| 12:34.07 | user_2 | so stupid to use non standard 2.54. hope theu do on CB 2.0, no metter if it came longer |
| 12:34.29 | user_2 | 2.54-->2.00 |
| 12:38.21 | Dave77 | should use different connector for LCD.. not header pins |
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| 12:49.13 | Enverex | !ls |
| 12:50.44 | Enverex | Is it possible to install Arch Linux onto the Cubie's onboard space without using an SD card? |
| 12:57.42 | rundfunk | Enverex: Yes |
| 12:58.08 | rundfunk | http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard/FAQ#How_can_I_flash_linux_onto_NAND.3F |
| 12:58.37 | rundfunk | should be the same for arch, please report back if you manage to do it :) |
| 13:01.06 | Enverex | hrm, still need an SD card and mine's gone walkies |
| 13:05.20 | rundfunk | it might be possible to do from FEL-mode? although you really have no reason to not have a SD-card since they are so cheap nowadays :P |
| 13:07.49 | Enverex | I had one, it's disappeared annoyingly. Will have to get another or two |
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| 13:18.42 | l_r | hello |
| 13:18.53 | l_r | is there any sd card reader in cubieboard? |
| 13:19.25 | pidpawel | microsd. |
| 13:19.34 | jelly-home | l_r: a microsd port is listed in the specs |
| 13:19.46 | l_r | good |
| 13:20.03 | l_r | cubieboard looks professional |
| 13:20.15 | l_r | not that the raspberry i have here |
| 13:20.21 | l_r | usb is just broken |
| 13:20.46 | l_r | *not like |
| 13:21.09 | l_r | what arm is it exactly? |
| 13:21.53 | l_r | it's available in iran |
| 13:21.55 | l_r | interesting |
| 13:21.56 | l_r | :D |
| 13:22.31 | jelly-home | do you have access to the web, l_r? http://cubieboard.org/ says Cortex-A8 right on the first page |
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| 13:33.57 | Enverex | lol |
| 13:39.00 | jelly-home | sorry, I just get pissy when someone asks questions that take 10 seconds to look up |
| 13:45.37 | eNcoR3 | lol |
| 13:46.00 | eNcoR3 | jelly-home, have you tired CentOS on cubie?? |
| 13:46.24 | jelly-home | eNcoR3: I don't use centos, sorry |
| 13:46.38 | eNcoR3 | ok |
| 13:47.19 | jelly-home | debian or rhel, and there's no rhel support for this platform so it's not useful |
| 13:47.48 | awp47 | anyone who want to do a enterprise linux on cubie ?? or is there someone exist? |
| 13:48.05 | eNcoR3 | i think i will go with debian :) |
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| 20:34.54 | Micronax | Short question: I want to move the rootfs out of my mmc0 to sda1 connected @ sataport - Is the SCSI driver built in the kernel by default and when how to access the sda1? |
| 20:35.42 | Micronax | in the wiki (http://linux-sunxi.org/Kernel_arguments) is mentioned, that I need to address the drive by its UUID.. ?! wtf |
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| 20:57.28 | sliddjur | Hello, how does xbmc run on cubieboard when running dts decoded video files and not having a dts capable reciever? |
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| 22:26.23 | \\Mr_C\\ | !ls |
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| 23:06.05 | tinti | Cubie A20 PLEASE!!! |
| 23:06.18 | qermit | :) |
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