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| 04:17.28 | unicorn01 | hello |
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| 04:34.01 | unicorn01 | anyone around? |
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| 04:52.56 | slackwareer | ping |
| 04:55.43 | icCE | unicorn01 yes :) |
| 05:01.05 | unicorn01 | Darn, I've gotta run but will try to check back later… Am investigating getting a cubieboard (or similar) as a ruby (with rails, probably) dev box |
| 05:01.48 | unicorn01 | I'll be afk till the morning, though. Thanks. |
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| 06:42.24 | gzamboni | hi |
| 06:43.05 | gzamboni | i'm trying to repo sync matson-hall github but its asking me a username and password, is it normal ? |
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| 09:25.33 | BigWhoop[DE] | gzamboni no its not |
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| 11:35.01 | freakynl | Anyone know what it would require to use a regular microphone on the line-in? (Take it there's no mic-in I can solder a port to or something) |
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| 11:50.16 | wooy | freakynl: does not sound like good idea, you will probably face very quiet output (or lot of noise if you amplify it) |
| 11:53.05 | gzamboni | freakunl: you have to make a preamp circuit to do so |
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| 12:02.03 | freakynl | I'll go check that out thx |
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| 12:09.23 | freakynl | are there any good open source mali400 drivers that anyone is aware of? for something that runs (nearly) only linux the drivers are rather pathetic unfortunately (seems to be the case a lot tho' many android devs complain about it too) |
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| 12:26.09 | ssvb | freakynl: what kind of applications do you expect to see accelerated by the mali400 drivers? |
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| 12:27.03 | freakynl | ssvb: I just my board so very new - but from what I got it's supposed to be able to en-/decode x264 |
| 12:27.13 | freakynl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:29.30 | ssvb | freakynl: mali400 has nothing to do with h264 video encoding/deconding (mali400 can only do 3d graphics) |
| 12:29.41 | ssvb | freakynl: video is handled by a different hardware accelerator - http://linux-sunxi.org/CedarX |
| 12:31.21 | freakynl | ok, but say a (S)NES emulator would benefit from the mali400 then (those games might be 2D tho' - pretty old :)) |
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| 12:34.09 | ssvb | freakynl: the emulator will not magically become faster by itself, somebody has to add OpenGL ES optimized code to it first (Linux/X11 flavour of OpenGL ES) |
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| 12:37.22 | ssvb | freakynl: if an application already supports OpenGL acceleration, then converting it to OpenGL ES may or may not be easy - http://pandorawiki.org/Porting_to_GLES_from_GL |
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| 12:44.26 | ssvb | freakynl: in any case, if you have an application which obviously uses 3D graphics (first person shooter game), then it needs mali400 drivers |
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| 12:56.42 | Tachyon` | !ls |
| 12:57.09 | Tachyon` | !explpm sata-multiplier |
| 12:57.21 | Tachyon` | dammit |
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| 13:08.54 | AdvancedNewbie | Nice board. |
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| 13:16.40 | AdvancedNewbie | Does the cubie use a boot partition similar to RPi with a config? |
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| 13:31.37 | rm | it does typically use a FAT /boot partition with a kernel on it |
| 13:31.57 | rm | and a "script.bin" file, that I guess can qualify as "a config" |
| 13:32.24 | rm | but I'm curious why that was your first question, why do you feel this has to be important |
| 13:33.22 | shineworld | Probably AdvancedNewbie is used with RPi and is moving first steps with Cubieboard |
| 13:46.38 | AdvancedNewbie | It's not |
| 13:46.42 | AdvancedNewbie | Just wondering... shineworld summed it up |
| 13:46.48 | AdvancedNewbie | (in a PM) |
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| 15:01.55 | juaniki | hello guys! |
| 15:02.03 | tinti | hi thre |
| 15:02.32 | juaniki | i am looking for installa windows 8 rt (arm architecture) on cubieboard. it is posible? |
| 15:04.28 | n01 | juaniki: no :) |
| 15:04.53 | juaniki | why?? cubie is arm architecture like win8 rt... |
| 15:05.44 | n01 | long story short ... windows is closed |
| 15:06.05 | n01 | no sources -> no porting (as long as the porting comes from microsoft) |
| 15:07.25 | juaniki | but , for architecture, i be able to install it , correct? |
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| 15:10.32 | juaniki | other question, can i have debian in a sd card and android on nand memory? |
| 15:10.38 | n01 | I'm not sure but saying ARM is very generic |
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| 15:12.46 | juaniki | ?¿?¿ |
| 15:14.00 | myth | what's the difference between NAND media and other media? |
| 15:14.10 | myth | can you write nand only a certain number of times? |
| 15:14.21 | myth | is it read and writable? |
| 15:14.37 | myth | what is "flashing" |
| 15:14.42 | juaniki | mmm integrate nand... i see |
| 15:14.58 | myth | why does it need to be flashed and not treated like a regular file system? |
| 15:18.38 | myth | juaniki, ping? |
| 15:22.05 | juaniki | ping? |
| 15:23.17 | n01 | myth: wikipedia is your friend |
| 15:23.28 | n01 | these are not cubieboard-specific questions |
| 15:24.19 | n01 | juaniki: ARM describes a whole family |
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| 15:25.57 | myth | tried. |
| 15:26.05 | juaniki | ajajaj ok ok |
| 15:26.22 | myth | can I use, per se, gentoo on the nand storage device of the cubieboard? |
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| 15:26.52 | myth | or, use a partition on the device as swap> |
| 15:26.53 | myth | > |
| 15:26.55 | myth | ? |
| 15:28.44 | n01 | myth: you could and swap on NAND is _really_ a bad idea |
| 15:28.58 | myth | yeah :) |
| 15:29.05 | myth | like it is on SD cards. |
| 15:29.15 | mnemoc | worse. SD cards are replaceable |
| 15:29.18 | mnemoc | nand is not |
| 15:29.26 | myth | would my best option for a linux system on cubieboard be using a hard drive? |
| 15:29.37 | myth | I can use the 2.5" one in my netbook. |
| 15:29.46 | myth | mnemoc, yes. maybe it's best I leave nand alone. |
| 15:30.04 | myth | can I get a tutorial on how to set up u-boot with a sata hard drive? |
| 15:30.09 | mnemoc | keep nand for /boot, and root= (and swap) on sata |
| 15:30.35 | mnemoc | it's just about passing the right root= param |
| 15:31.09 | juaniki | <n01> can install android system on nand memory and debian os on sdcard? |
| 15:31.22 | n01 | juaniki: sure you can |
| 15:33.17 | juaniki | how?, i have install debian on my sdcard, how i flash android on nand ? |
| 15:33.58 | n01 | IIRC you should already have android on nand |
| 15:42.34 | juaniki | ,,,, i flash berrboot on nand..... |
| 15:46.53 | freakynl | btw, anyone know what kind of images the images are on the download site (for nand/internal flash)? |
| 15:47.11 | freakynl | Tried DD'ing them to a SD card but that doesn't work unfortunately |
| 15:47.25 | mnemoc | freakynl: see http://cubieboard.org/Download/ |
| 15:47.40 | mnemoc | most are livesuit images |
| 15:48.24 | freakynl | mnemoc: yes, I got them there, doesn't tell me what type of image it is (iow livesuit doesn't mean anything to me - is just a block level image with compression or similar (as in could I dd it after unzipping/ungzipping/un7zipping/unxzing/etc :)) |
| 15:48.43 | juaniki | <mnemoc> how install android on internal memory? nand... |
| 15:48.44 | freakynl | And since livesuit supports only 32 bit windows it's utterly useless to me too :) |
| 15:49.20 | freakynl | juaniki: depends on the image, if it's a livesuit image and you have 32-bit windows, livesuit might work for you, check the link he just gave me |
| 15:51.04 | juaniki | ok i want this image....http://dl.cubieboard.org/software/android/cubiebox_tvbox_rel2.2.img .. whit livesuit i can install on nand? |
| 15:52.54 | freakynl | Yes, you will need a mini USB cable tho', that isn't supplied with board (at least not with mine) |
| 15:53.32 | freakynl | Then again - it also said transparant plastic plates, and it's transparant plastic indeed - but coated with carton so can't look through it, doesn't peel off easily either :) |
| 15:53.57 | juaniki | ok . i have one |
| 15:54.26 | mnemoc | freakynl: just peel it |
| 15:54.40 | freakynl | Whilst on the subject there appear to be editions with more and less. I have a hard time seeing the difference between vendors. Paid like 74 euro (inc shipping) for this board - not sure if I'm ripped off or not (see the same board for 49$ (approx 38 euro) but don't know if all the cables are included then which I did get now as well as the plates and screws) |
| 15:55.32 | freakynl | Hmm I'll try again :) |
| 15:56.04 | freakynl | mnemoc: no clue on the image format I suppose? Was hoping I could just convert it somehow so I could dd it. I hardly have any windows machines left and the only 2 I have access to have been 64-bit for many years |
| 15:56.31 | freakynl | Any way to flash over USB from linux is fine too :) |
| 15:57.21 | freakynl | It does amaze me how many of these dev boards - that are mainly targetted for linux - come with windows tools only |
| 15:57.46 | mnemoc | you can extract and repack livesuit images, but you can only flash them using livesuit |
| 15:58.16 | mnemoc | there is a livesuit for win64 |
| 15:58.19 | freakynl | Hmm must have some weird format then - otherwise I presume someone would have figured it out already |
| 15:59.04 | freakynl | Hmm perhaps I read an old site then, it said somewhere the drivers livesuit requires for the usb thingy were 32-bit only |
| 15:59.45 | mnemoc | freakynl: http://linux-sunxi.org/LiveSuit |
| 16:00.24 | freakynl | Yea just noticed, trying to figure out what the heck I was reading yesterday :) |
| 16:00.28 | mnemoc | freakynl: and https://github.com/Ithamar/awutils but the flashing tool is not working yet |
| 16:01.37 | freakynl | mnemoc: hmm they seem encrypted too (no idea what it would need twofish for otherwise) |
| 16:02.16 | mnemoc | freakynl: you can unpack/repack them using awutils |
| 16:06.11 | freakynl | mnemoc: thanks :) Pretty new to this stuff and wondering quite a bit why they all seem to have their own bootloaders (many closed source), image formats, etc. This seems to be hmm not native english err unfriendly to the target audience? |
| 16:07.50 | mnemoc | the A10 is a chinese SoC, and the cubieboard is a chinese board |
| 16:08.19 | mnemoc | not-native english is better than chinese-only |
| 16:09.17 | freakynl | mnemoc: ah no - I'm not native english - my issue is more with it - at least from my first impressions - that many tools (bootloaders - image flashers - mali400 drivers - etc) are very unfriendly to the opensource community (which seems to be the largest user group for these kind of things) |
| 16:10.22 | mnemoc | if you take the "official" livesuit path you need some closed source stuff, yes |
| 16:11.03 | mnemoc | and the VPU and 3D GPU (mali) still need closes source libs |
| 16:11.09 | mnemoc | but those are optional |
| 16:11.43 | mnemoc | you can make full-free bootable linux SD cards |
| 16:11.58 | mnemoc | fully* |
| 16:12.10 | freakynl | from what I saw A10 is open sourcing a lot of drivers though. This actually got rolling by a customer that asked me to compile some stuff for a friendlyarm 6410 last week. Kind liked the dev boards so just got one. Hadn't noticed the driver issues and such yet (seem to be worse with friendlyarm than this tbh btw) |
| 16:20.14 | freakynl | thanks for the help :) I gotta run |
| 16:37.22 | BigWhoop[DE] | <juaniki>how install android on internal memory? nand... |
| 16:37.35 | BigWhoop[DE] | why does no one say to him that he has only to unplug the SD card :D |
| 16:38.04 | mnemoc | he said install... |
| 16:39.38 | BigWhoop[DE] | but he though that he had berrybot on his nand |
| 16:39.58 | BigWhoop[DE] | *thought |
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| 17:41.50 | Micronax | Hey - What kind of relay would you recommend to use with cubieboard to control a door-opener ? thx in advance :) |
| 17:42.40 | CoolePascal | at least us a descent darlinton transistor with reverse diods in in to drive the relay |
| 17:42.41 | mnemoc | the gpios of the the cubieboard are 3.3V |
| 17:42.59 | asterick | https://www.google.com/search?q=solenoid+control+circuit ? |
| 17:43.08 | Micronax | but also 5V ones, right? |
| 17:43.25 | CoolePascal | no... 5V friendly is still3.3V |
| 17:43.38 | asterick | Well, you don't care about input on a relay control |
| 17:43.59 | CoolePascal | idd |
| 17:44.01 | asterick | you can just pull up the voltage or use a level translator pretty easy, it's 1 transistor. |
| 17:44.03 | mnemoc | as they go directly to the SoC, better be polite with what you put and what you drain |
| 17:44.24 | CoolePascal | though.. using an cubie for an door opener... |
| 17:44.28 | CoolePascal | jezus |
| 17:44.39 | asterick | it might be better to do a level translator + isolating coil simply because you're working with crazy volatge boundaries |
| 17:44.40 | CoolePascal | why don;t you use a gray2 |
| 17:44.40 | Micronax | using siri as an door-opener :D |
| 17:45.00 | mnemoc | gzamboni has a neat (related) project |
| 17:45.19 | mnemoc | not only with relays, but with buttons and camera |
| 17:45.30 | Micronax | okay - i got an opto-isolator, an finder 40.31 relay and an diode |
| 17:45.41 | asterick | this thing is awesome: http://www.pinballcontrollers.com/index.php/products/p-roc |
| 17:45.45 | asterick | if you want something prebuilt |
| 17:45.58 | asterick | it's designed for pinball machines, whcih is basically just a giant wad of solenoids |
| 17:46.02 | asterick | (USB control) |
| 17:46.10 | Micronax | n1 |
| 17:46.18 | Micronax | saved to favorites |
| 17:46.21 | asterick | spendy though |
| 17:46.53 | Micronax | but thats just a small project to increase my electronic skills |
| 17:47.06 | Micronax | I'm a Programmer, my plan of electronic is very limited.. |
| 17:47.56 | Micronax | going to try it - I keep you up to date guys - thank you for helping |
| 17:48.25 | CoolePascal | Micronax, no prob, however it's advisable to know a bit abt digital technonoly as wel as electronics if you wanna do embedded stuf |
| 17:48.46 | CoolePascal | it's not all that difficult |
| 17:48.57 | Micronax | thats the reason for playing with cubieboard |
| 17:49.01 | asterick | Micronax: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9096 |
| 17:49.31 | mnemoc | really misses a book about electronics aimed at not-EE wanting to design and make extension/carrier boards |
| 17:49.59 | asterick | mnemoc: radioshack has a couple |
| 17:50.10 | mnemoc | any isbn? |
| 17:50.23 | mnemoc | no radioshack in this part of the world |
| 17:50.34 | asterick | I'm in a meeting, I'll let oyu know in like 5 minutes |
| 17:50.43 | mnemoc | awesome. thanks! |
| 17:51.20 | asterick | Realistically, thoguh, the art of electronics 2nd edition is really the bible |
| 17:51.40 | mnemoc | doesn't that go too deep? |
| 17:51.52 | asterick | It basically goes as deep as you need to |
| 17:52.01 | xenoxaos | thats what she said |
| 17:52.30 | asterick | The problem with electronics is there is no half-assed way to do it, ignoring things like EMF and load-capactitance and impedance and shit can explode things really fast. |
| 17:52.42 | asterick | and when you're working with a single chip that costs $45, that can get expensive. |
| 17:53.04 | Micronax | thats right.. |
| 17:53.17 | Micronax | I got some low-level advice from a friend |
| 17:53.30 | Micronax | who gave me that opto-isolator and diode |
| 17:53.34 | asterick | gotcha |
| 17:53.48 | Micronax | which should isolate the cubie from the relays..?! |
| 17:53.53 | Micronax | *relay |
| 17:53.58 | asterick | seriously, thoguh, the art of electronics is a great reference volume, and while it does have a lot of info in it, it doesn't expect a preexsiting knowlege in anything |
| 17:54.08 | asterick | an opto? yes. |
| 17:57.00 | asterick | technically, the relay itself should handle that, but I'm paranoid. |
| 17:58.24 | Micronax | yes, but if the solenoid releases, there will be a back circuit..?! |
| 17:59.31 | CoolePascal | Be aware for strong reverse high voltage from the solenid |
| 17:59.39 | Micronax | -> opto |
| 17:59.45 | CoolePascal | you have to take precautions |
| 17:59.47 | asterick | a relay works on eletromagnatism. there is no link between the power rails use for the relay and the control line |
| 17:59.50 | CoolePascal | no |
| 18:00.00 | CoolePascal | an opto wont solf that it wil blow |
| 18:00.15 | CoolePascal | you got to put an reverse diode over the relay |
| 18:00.30 | CoolePascal | a 1n4000 probarly wil do |
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| 18:02.57 | Micronax | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21241920/Foto%2010.04.13%2020%2001%2028.jpg |
| 18:06.15 | BigWhoop[DE] | to learn electronic its maybe better to use adriano boards? |
| 18:06.52 | pcw_home | mistakes are a little cheaper... |
| 18:07.20 | asterick | arduinos are like duplos. big, clunky, and they teach you crap for actual architecture. xD |
| 18:07.39 | CoolePascal | good advise |
| 18:07.42 | CoolePascal | beside |
| 18:07.51 | mnemoc | my comment was about a book NOT to learn electronics in general, just to dumbly extend devboards/modules |
| 18:08.03 | CoolePascal | arduino has workable exampples including requireed electronic diagrams |
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| 19:43.39 | unicorn01 | anybody have any experience using cubieboard as a dev box for Ruby and/or Rails? |
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| 22:38.01 | Vladislavs | Hi guys. |
| 22:39.01 | Vladislavs | sombody has compiled xbmc on linaro ubuntu ? I am trying it rigth now. |
| 22:40.12 | Vladislavs | I am thinking that was a bad idea, I will use cross-compile in the future for this little machine. |
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