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| 00:20.38 | Dave77 | spelling in fex_guide: "contets" |
| 00:25.14 | mnemoc | it's a wiki, fix it |
| 00:26.11 | mnemoc | good night |
| 00:27.18 | Dave77 | leave it broke then |
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| 00:58.49 | ganbold | what is the pin number for SD slot power? |
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| 02:27.33 | Gumboot | I think maybe I regret trying to test the speed of xz recompressing a Linux kernel. |
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| 03:15.17 | anunnaki | !ls |
| 03:15.39 | anunnaki | !ls ir-interface |
| 03:15.59 | anunnaki | !expl ir-interface |
| 03:16.00 | CubieFAQ | ir-interface: Please refer to the A10 User Manual section 19 IR Interface, the driver is already in the kernel, an input device that can work with normal IR remote. IR test is one of the tests of the Cubieboard before shipping. (http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/A10/A10%20User%20Manual%20-%20v1.20%20%282012-04-09%2c%20DECRYPTED%29.pdf) |
| 03:16.50 | anunnaki | !expl sata-multiplier |
| 03:16.53 | CubieFAQ | sata-multiplier: A10 does not support port multipliers. |
| 03:17.08 | anunnaki | !expl who |
| 03:17.11 | CubieFAQ | who: Tom Cubie and some of his friends created Cubieboard. |
| 03:17.50 | anunnaki | !expl flash-linux-nand |
| 03:17.50 | CubieFAQ | flash-linux-nand: The fastest way is to use the PIMP_MY_MELE utility from guillaume. For more detailed, roll-your-own instructions, see this thread in the miniand.com forums. (https://www.miniand.com/forums/forums/development/topics/boot-ubuntu-lubuntu-from-internal-4g-flash?page=2#post-3555) |
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| 03:28.51 | xxiao | does cubie do hdmi? |
| 03:29.04 | xxiao | oops found it, it does |
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| 04:34.12 | chas | !ls |
| 04:37.31 | chas | !ls vga-lvds-tv |
| 04:38.58 | chas | !vga-lvds-tv |
| 04:39.11 | chas | !expl vga-lvds-tv |
| 04:39.12 | CubieFAQ | vga-lvds-tv: VGA/LVDS/TV outputs are available on the 2mm headers. To make use of them you need to add the resistors/buffers and connector required by the interface you want to use. Cubieboard only supports two displays at the same time and some pins are shared between VGA/LVDS/TV. You have to provide the interface hardware *and* properly configure the pins to which it is attached. |
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| 05:01.11 | dongs | i made some shit that breaks out vga to a DB15 but too lazy to test if it actually works |
| 05:01.14 | dongs | i guess it should? |
| 05:01.29 | dongs | does assdroid use VGA if its connected? or do you ahve to hack shit |
| 05:17.08 | anunnaki | hey cubie doesnt need a monitor/video to run right? you can just ssh into it? |
| 05:19.59 | qermit | anunnaki: yes |
| 05:20.14 | qermit | anunnaki: you can use uart console to |
| 05:23.37 | anunnaki | hear of anyone using a remote control with the ir on cubie at all? |
| 05:23.52 | anunnaki | just thinking about using a remote to run scripts |
| 05:24.04 | anunnaki | jsut hit a button with no video |
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| 08:01.16 | Philip_ | anyone else running a bootable OS image? |
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| 08:04.12 | Philip_ | I downloaded the Martin Wild images, but it didn't work to uncompress them |
| 08:04.38 | Philip_ | must be my own computer... |
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| 08:31.09 | BigWhoop | any error message? |
| 08:33.28 | dongs | whoever linked that symantec winqual deal for 99, thanks. grabbed it, smoothest time to certificate issue ever, took less than 24 hours including callback verification |
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| 08:51.54 | _tzui_ | !ls |
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| 08:53.14 | _tzui_ | is there a shop where the cubieboard is available? |
| 08:55.32 | BigWhoop | http://cubieboard.org/buy/ |
| 08:56.18 | BigWhoop | all officially approved shops are out of stock atm |
| 08:56.31 | _tzui_ | nooooo :) |
| 08:56.50 | _tzui_ | thnx BigWhoop |
| 08:57.07 | BigWhoop | maybe you can find some on ebay |
| 08:57.29 | _tzui_ | the also some on aliexpress.com |
| 08:57.53 | BigWhoop | Pliezhausen? :D |
| 08:58.17 | _tzui_ | Pliezhausen? |
| 08:58.23 | _tzui_ | Sorry, i dont get it :) |
| 08:58.32 | BigWhoop | nevermind. |
| 08:59.25 | _tzui_ | hey, how fast is SATA on this board? |
| 08:59.29 | mnemoc | the political statement at the bottom of the buy page is... weird |
| 08:59.58 | _tzui_ | of which page? |
| 09:00.31 | BigWhoop | its there a long time now :) |
| 09:00.56 | mnemoc | _tzui_: http://cubieboard.org/buy/ of course |
| 09:01.41 | _tzui_ | aah, ok |
| 09:02.05 | jelly-home | mnemoc: add Tibet to it <g> |
| 09:02.06 | BigWhoop | tzui => Privat Message :) |
| 09:02.15 | mnemoc | jelly-home: :) |
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| 09:23.56 | focus_it | !ls |
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| 11:49.39 | Gumboot | Hm. Even parts of the mainland of the UK don't get the same level of postal service as the rest of it. And the UK is _tiny_. |
| 11:49.54 | Gumboot | Could add a footnote "* Scotland is part of the UK, but we don't care!" |
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| 12:17.01 | mahdy | fzerorubigd: چه شلوغه . لول |
| 12:17.10 | fzerorubigd | mahdy: :)) |
| 12:17.57 | mahdy | fzerorubigd: توی کانفیگوریتوری که برای اوبونتوش نوشتن گزینهی تی وی هم هست برای اوت پوت |
| 12:18.54 | mahdy | hi guys |
| 12:19.06 | BigWhoop | §$%())§"$%%/()/&%% :D |
| 12:19.10 | mahdy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.10 | mahdy | Sign in to reply |
| 12:19.11 | mahdy | More message actions |
| 12:19.11 | mahdy | 9/8/12 |
| 12:19.11 | mahdy | any idea if it would support analog TV signal except for the hdmi (digital)? something like RCA...in other words if it is going to be possible to connect Cubieboard to an old TV without an HDMI signal. |
| 12:20.26 | BigWhoop | !expl vga-lvds-tv |
| 12:20.28 | CubieFAQ | vga-lvds-tv: VGA/LVDS/TV outputs are available on the 2mm headers. To make use of them you need to add the resistors/buffers and connector required by the interface you want to use. Cubieboard only supports two displays at the same time and some pins are shared between VGA/LVDS/TV. You have to provide the interface hardware *and* properly configure the pins to which it is attached. |
| 12:25.24 | mahdy | BigWhoop: thanks you , is there any electronic schematic for doing this job ? |
| 12:33.14 | BigWhoop | imho lawrence__ knows the answer :D he had all boardthread in his head. |
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| 12:38.51 | Lewis | hello all , was wondering where i can get cubieboard case? |
| 12:39.09 | BigWhoop | imho nowhere |
| 12:39.26 | BigWhoop | all the cases in the cubieboard news are just prototypes |
| 12:39.28 | Lewis | can i get the cad designs for it so i can print it myself? |
| 12:40.06 | Turl | the shopify shop has the cases on stock apparently |
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| 12:40.24 | BigWhoop | link? |
| 12:40.37 | Turl | http://cubieboard.myshopify.com/ |
| 12:41.08 | BigWhoop | oh..thats not a case :D its just a plate :D |
| 12:41.15 | Turl | if you are into 3d printing this might be of use Lewis http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=cubieboard&sa= |
| 12:42.08 | Lewis | thanks! , looks like it could be promising. anyone tried those designs? |
| 12:42.28 | Turl | buZz here made one of them |
| 12:42.39 | Turl | I suppose he printed his own creation :p |
| 12:43.44 | BigWhoop | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.25 | Lewis | think i might try it lol a few local companies say they will print 3d designs , worth a try i guess. |
| 12:49.08 | Lewis | well thanks guys got the stl files and sent them in for a quote! thanks again and goodbye! |
| 12:53.23 | lawrence__ | i made one |
| 12:53.31 | lawrence__ | and took photos |
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| 13:19.58 | Philip_ | i see that murcury wifi usb....what chipset is that running? |
| 13:20.16 | hipboi | rtl8188 |
| 13:20.46 | Philip_ | I have an RT2800 which seems to be recognized, but I haven't yet configured |
| 13:21.03 | lawrence__ | 明天上班？ |
| 13:21.17 | Philip_ | Is the RTL8188 better supported in linux? |
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| 13:45.48 | hipboi | lawrence__:还在家呢 |
| 13:48.40 | mnemoc | wb hipboi |
| 13:50.38 | jelly | I'd prefer a case where a small heatsink could fit on top of the soc |
| 13:51.29 | hipboi | mnemoc: yeah, i just visited all my wife's relatives in the past 3 days |
| 13:54.12 | xxiao | is it possible to solder a wifi module on board? |
| 13:54.54 | xxiao | stick out a usb dongle makes the case look odd |
| 13:55.01 | hipboi | xxiao: yes |
| 13:55.11 | hipboi | at the cost of lose one usb port |
| 13:55.49 | xxiao | can you use sdio to do wifi |
| 13:56.51 | hipboi | sdio wifi is more expensive than usb wifi, and there is no extra sd port |
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| 14:11.28 | Philip_ | there are pretty short wifi USB sticks...but you still loose a USB port |
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| 14:27.39 | buZz | hipboi: i thought A10 had 3 SD slots? |
| 14:27.53 | buZz | hipboi: arent there any on the GPIO pins? |
| 14:29.08 | mnemoc | pin mapping and their corresponding features are on the wiki |
| 14:29.19 | mnemoc | A10/PIO page |
| 14:30.11 | buZz | SDIO3? |
| 14:30.29 | buZz | pin 22,24,26,28,30,32 |
| 14:30.39 | buZz | not sure if those are all the pins needed |
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| 14:54.53 | cubie | Hi, How can I convert SD card image to nand image for LiveSuite? |
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| 17:00.57 | b00b5 | !ls |
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| 17:03.24 | Bizon1 | !ls |
| 17:04.16 | Bizon1 | !expl serial-port |
| 17:04.17 | CubieFAQ | serial-port: There is one USB-serial cable in the cubieboard package. The four color lines of the cable are: White, Black, Red, Green. The definition of the lines are: RED +5v, BLACK GND, GREEN RX, WHITE TX. Connect the black one to GND pin on the board, GREEN one to RX pin, WHITE one to TX pin. The rich package contains the serial cable. |
| 17:04.54 | Bizon1 | well, okay, sorry for the spam - i'm just wondering - does the android image which is pre-loaded into the cubieboard write anything to the serial port? |
| 17:07.05 | mnemoc | Bizon1: yes, you'll see boot0, boot1, u-boot, linux, and then android output |
| 17:07.39 | Bizon1 | thank you... that means i've done something wrong :) |
| 17:07.54 | mnemoc | swapping tx and rx is a common problem :) |
| 17:08.05 | Gumboot | Connecing +5V is a problem too, isn't it? |
| 17:08.23 | mnemoc | connecting the vcc can fry the A10 |
| 17:08.39 | Gumboot | CubieFAQ neglects to mention this. |
| 17:08.42 | Bizon1 | yep, but i didn't connect vcc |
| 17:10.13 | Gumboot | Where does Vcc on that header go, anyway? To something other than the +5V rail? |
| 17:10.22 | Bizon1 | ha, it works now... thanks, i had tx and rx switched indeed |
| 17:12.10 | mnemoc | Gumboot: schematics tell VCC-3V3 |
| 17:13.00 | mnemoc | Gumboot: so i guess not only the A10 would be fried |
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| 17:32.50 | joseph63 | #cubieboard |
| 17:33.04 | joseph63 | ls |
| 17:34.50 | joseph63 | I'm new user of cubieboard, i wish know if there is a way to use hdmi over dvi |
| 17:35.24 | BigWhoop | !expl display-support |
| 17:35.25 | CubieFAQ | display-support: While A10 comes with support for VGA/TV/LVDS/HDMI only HDMI connetor is actualy provided on cubieboard out of the box. HDMI is DVI compatible but you need recent kernel to use most DVI screens. The pre-installed android kernel is configured for 720p digital TV mode. |
| 17:36.08 | joseph63 | Thanks |
| 17:38.40 | joseph63 | but if I use a linaro Ubuntu distro, it's only hdmi to hdmi? |
| 17:43.52 | joseph63 | perhaps, I understand: I need to install recent kernel, there is a how to? (excuse for my poor English, I'm Italian) |
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| 17:50.14 | joseph63 | Hi,there's an how to for update the kernel? |
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| 18:00.04 | Dave77 | should be better information on the cubeiboard.org site |
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| 18:17.10 | buZz | Dave77: regarding what? |
| 18:18.29 | buZz | cubieboard didnt start as a 'lets educate the general public' project, but as a 'lets make a breakout board for this chip' |
| 18:19.23 | buZz | but it seems a lot of cubieboard buyers are still at the 'how do i linux?' skilllevel |
| 18:19.26 | buZz | which is sad |
| 18:21.32 | Dave77 | I am pleased with cubieboard but some things are difficult to do.. if I broke something probably wouldn't know how to fix it.. just some of the basics should be on the site.. when the questions are asked/and/or solved. |
| 18:23.10 | Dave77 | like I can't use desktop on HDMI->DVI because there is overscan problem.. got the git, compiled fex2bin.. but don't know what / if I should change in there |
| 18:24.38 | Dave77 | didn't really like the wiki page layout/presentation.. |
| 18:25.08 | Dave77 | so I can see in 3 months time.. I will still have the overscan problem so useless for desktop |
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| 18:30.18 | buZz | overscan is a configuration of your screen |
| 18:30.42 | buZz | if you dont like wiki layout, then CLEARLY all information is bogus! |
| 18:30.43 | buZz | :P |
| 18:32.00 | sky770 | Hey buzz |
| 18:32.11 | buZz | hoi |
| 18:34.02 | Dave77 | yes but the android displays all the image correctly/everything visible.. but other linux doesn't not sure if I can use script.bin from android on linaro/ubuntu sd card |
| 18:34.25 | Dave77 | I have PC monitor.. no overscan settings like CRT service menu |
| 18:34.27 | buZz | and when you did this, the result was .... |
| 18:35.04 | buZz | so in 3 months time you have not tried this? :P |
| 18:35.17 | Dave77 | I only got cubie 2 weeks ago.. |
| 18:35.39 | buZz | ah ok, so in 14 days time you have not tried this? :D |
| 18:36.33 | sky770 | ^ troll |
| 18:36.39 | sky770 | :p |
| 18:36.53 | Dave77 | nope.. only compiled the fex2bin this morning.. will try it but not sure if i will get purple screen like in android.. RGB/YUV problem |
| 18:38.11 | buZz | why do you need fex2bin/bin2fex? |
| 18:38.34 | buZz | you have a script.bin on android that you want to try in place of the script.bin on your linux install |
| 18:38.39 | buZz | why not just copy it over? |
| 18:38.49 | buZz | (be sure to backup the original) |
| 18:39.10 | buZz | i agree that decompiling it will allow you to analyze the actual problem |
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| 18:43.14 | Dave77 | yep will try it when I get a chance.. |
| 18:43.26 | buZz | you are not allowing yourself chances 24/7 ? :P |
| 18:44.32 | Dave77 | already have cubie doing tasks 24/7.. so no reboot yet |
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| 19:36.53 | heras | Hi. I want to compile gcc for cross-compiling to Debian wheezy armhf on my cubieboard, but it's unclear to me what the target name should be. |
| 19:37.20 | heras | Is it arm, armhf, linux-arm, arm-linux-gnueabi ... ? |
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| 19:43.31 | Gumboot | I don't know the answer. I tried doing the obvious thing and it all went wrong so I gave up. Would you be interested in shortcuts? |
| 19:43.45 | Gumboot | Or do you need to build your own compiler for some specific reason? |
| 19:45.27 | jelly-home | heras: weren't people using toolchains from emdebian instead of selfbuilding? |
| 19:46.29 | Gumboot | I need a toolchain for OSX, which is something I still haven't sorted out. |
| 19:46.44 | heras | jelly-home: Yes, but I don't want to add 3rd party repositories to my install. |
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| 19:47.15 | jelly-home | heras: 3rd party? emdebian is all DDs |
| 19:47.24 | heras | DDs? |
| 19:47.35 | jelly-home | debian developers |
| 19:48.08 | heras | Maybe, but it's not an official part off debian (or Aptosid, which is what i use) |
| 19:48.34 | Gumboot | I'm a bit confused, here... you want to run this toolchain on what OS/architecture? |
| 19:48.53 | jelly-home | heras: no, it's not because there official part needs _lots_ of integration to make it multiarch compatible |
| 19:49.31 | heras | I want to use distcc to off load the compiling to my desktop. For this I require the same gcc and binutils that run on Wheezy. |
| 19:49.53 | jelly-home | heras: emdebian is an official debian subproject. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian |
| 19:50.12 | heras | But the question is then, what is the target name that I need to use for compiling gcc on my desktop |
| 19:51.56 | Gumboot | I'd have thought `apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf` would give you the same version compiler as you get on Debian on ARM. They looked like the same revision number when I last poked around with it. |
| 19:52.22 | Gumboot | But I don't know much about the problem. |
| 19:53.40 | heras | From what I've heard it's a good idea to use identical versions of gcc and maybe also binutils for host and build machine when cross cmpiling. |
| 19:54.11 | heras | So I want to compile the Wheezy source on my desktop. |
| 19:54.49 | Gumboot | apt-cache show gcc gives what version? |
| 19:55.03 | heras | on my cubie? |
| 19:55.08 | Gumboot | Yeah. |
| 19:55.21 | Gumboot | Actually, a package name would probably be best. |
| 19:55.52 | heras | http://pastebin.com/t4Ka5jMM |
| 19:57.05 | heras | So that would be 4:4.6.3-8 |
| 19:57.37 | jelly-home | are you tracking testing or wheezy? |
| 19:58.07 | jelly-home | might want to s/testing/wheezy/g in the config to not get a nasty surprise in a few months |
| 19:58.28 | heras | jelly-home: aren't they the same? In any case I used this image: https://www.miniand.com/forums/forums/development/topics/debian-wheezy-lxde-armhf-build |
| 19:58.57 | heras | Oh, I get what you mean, yea |
| 19:59.29 | heras | Looks like I'm tracking testing |
| 19:59.57 | jelly-home | whoever built that image made a typical mistake that debian's installer doesn't make any more. You don't want to use testing, use the codename instead. |
| 20:00.16 | heras | I'll change that |
| 20:00.20 | Gumboot | Hm. Debian's different. I could probably have found a match for Ubuntu. |
| 20:00.45 | bfree | heras: hi. what do you want to compile? compiling natively isn't excessively painful ;) though you'll really appreciate a sata drive hooked up if you are doing "big" things like the kernel |
| 20:01.28 | Gumboot | bfree: Kernel builds take around 45 minutes. I know because I tested it. |
| 20:01.42 | heras | bfree: I havent got a sata drive yet, though that's planned. But I want to speed it up. |
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| 20:01.48 | heras | compiling that is |
| 20:01.58 | Gumboot | Starting from there I'd say there are probably a few projects where this is worth the trouble. |
| 20:01.59 | jelly-home | Gumboot: that sounds about right, consider the machine has about the power of an old P3/500 |
| 20:02.43 | Dave77 | copied over script.bin from nanda.. still overscan problem.. will cubie look for script0.bin if no script.bin? |
| 20:02.43 | Gumboot | I wonder how fast ARM emulation is on a good desktop. That might be easier than trying to get a matched set of packages. |
| 20:03.00 | bfree | Gumboot: mine are a fair bit slower, but I'm compiling a package ;) Ive done quite a few now |
| 20:03.00 | Turl | you can crosscompile too |
| 20:03.58 | Turl | depending on your x86 box you can get it done in 2m+ |
| 20:04.18 | heras | Hi Turl, do you happen to know the right target name for armhf? |
| 20:04.20 | bfree | Gumboot: arm emulation isn't good (well I pondered breifly trying to distcc up a cluster of them) ... e.g. I was getting a ~4h kernel compile when I did it (on a sandy bridge i7) |
| 20:04.44 | Turl | heras: target name for what? |
| 20:05.17 | Gumboot | Turl: heras is trying to get an exact match for the compiler version between the cross compiler and the local compiler. |
| 20:05.38 | heras | Turl: For building gcc on my desktop for cross compling to wheezy armhf on my cubie using distcc |
| 20:06.03 | Gumboot | I think you need to specify, somewhere in the build system a triple like "arm-linux-gnueabihf" as well as a separate target "arm". |
| 20:06.04 | Turl | arm-linux-gnueabihf? |
| 20:06.25 | Gumboot | Or maybe the target is the triple in this context. I forget what I did, but what I did was wrong anyway. |
| 20:06.42 | heras | I'll try that Turl, thanks. |
| 20:06.50 | Turl | CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf ARCH=arm |
| 20:06.56 | Turl | that's what I use for kernel builds |
| 20:07.21 | heras | What I did read is 'things changed' since binutils 2.20.??? |
| 20:07.53 | Turl | no idea |
| 20:07.55 | bfree | Gumboot: to be accurate, that ~4h was with a qemu-system-arm, the qemu-user stuff with binfmt-support (or whatever it's called) is probably better |
| 20:08.09 | Turl | for userspace I use apt-get :P |
| 20:08.30 | Turl | bfree: yeah, you can make a chroot and use that, but it wasn't incredibly fast either |
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| 20:10.50 | heras | Turl: Do I need the cross_compile flag when using distcc? |
| 20:10.57 | Gumboot | Why's it important to match versions, anyway? |
| 20:11.05 | Turl | no idea, never used distcc |
| 20:11.19 | Turl | in reality I use CROSS_COMPILE="/usr/bin/ccache arm-linux-gnueabihf-" :P |
| 20:11.40 | heras | :) |
| 20:12.12 | heras | Gumboot: I've heard that not using the same version could cause bugs. |
| 20:12.41 | Gumboot | How "same" do they need it to be? |
| 20:12.54 | Gumboot | Obviously one's going to be x86 while the other is ARM. |
| 20:12.57 | heras | Good question :) |
| 20:12.59 | Gumboot | Or worse, x86_64. |
| 20:14.19 | Gumboot | nbench had me going in circles for a bit because I didn't notice that the makefile builds and executes a test to determine pointer size rather than doing it in the C preprocessor. So my cross-compiler was trying to build ARM code with the idea that it had 64-bit pointers. |
| 20:14.20 | heras | But I can imagine that different versions of gcc produce slightly different binary objects |
| 20:15.15 | heras | which might cause problems whem lining |
| 20:16.05 | Gumboot | You might have problems when you use LTO, but other than that I think the compiler and linker have to expect that to happen. |
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| 20:16.51 | Gumboot | And I think LTO might fail for you even if you do match everything else correctly. The manpage says they don't care about cross-whatever compatibility. |
| 20:16.56 | Turl | otherwise build with -static :P |
| 20:19.56 | Gumboot | I'd try ignoring the problem first, and just use a pre-built toolchain that looks kind of the same. |
| 20:20.00 | Gumboot | See if you really do get problems. |
| 20:21.22 | Gumboot | Unless you're about to build your own kernel and don't want to get a very subtle error that results in filesystem corruption you don't notice for three months. |
| 20:23.11 | Gumboot | You shouldn't have any trouble finding packages to match the first three parts of the version number. |
| 20:23.50 | Gumboot | Alternatively, tell me what you did once you successfully build your cross compiler. |
| 20:24.07 | heras | Yeah, I can just download the current wheezy sources |
| 20:25.02 | jelly-home | debian testing has 4.7.2 gcc-4.7 and emdebian has 4.7.2 crossbuilding as well |
| 20:26.18 | maciel310 | !ls |
| 20:33.19 | maciel310 | anyone know if it is possible to put the cubieboard in an absolute minimal-power state, but still keep the cpu running? powering down usb devices, sata disk, ethernet, etc |
| 20:33.30 | maciel310 | and if so, any data on about how much power is drawn in that state? |
| 20:34.42 | maciel310 | I plan on using a cubieboard in a situation where there'll be relatively long periods of inactivity where it'll need to survive on battery power but stay up and ready to resume as fast as possible |
| 20:34.54 | Gumboot | How will you wake them up. |
| 20:34.55 | Gumboot | ? |
| 20:35.03 | maciel310 | I'm thinking something on a GPIO pin |
| 20:35.54 | Gumboot | Your most efficient solution is always going to be to opimise the boot process and power them off completely. |
| 20:36.30 | Gumboot | What's this plural business? It. Power it off. |
| 20:36.53 | maciel310 | yeah, that would be ideal, assuming the boot can be quick enough. about how quick does an Android image boot? |
| 20:37.19 | Gumboot | Not very quick. |
| 20:37.42 | Gumboot | You want a basic sort of "user presses a button and expects a response" delay, do you? Kiosk style? |
| 20:38.20 | maciel310 | just about. I'd say up to a 10 second delay would be allowable, but not much more than that |
| 20:38.22 | Gumboot | Or do you have real-time constraints like you have to fire the airbag before the user's head hits the windscreen? |
| 20:38.48 | maciel310 | nah, not real-time critical at all |
| 20:39.55 | Gumboot | I'm not sure Android can pull itself together in ten seconds. I have had it start up quickly, but I think I accidentally let it go into some kind of sleep state. I didn't measure the power at that time. |
| 20:39.55 | maciel310 | basically any time that the device is in use, it'll have power available to it to recharge the battery and to power the board. during the off times though it needs to survive as long as possible on battery power |
| 20:40.52 | Gumboot | So the battery serves only to give it the fastest-possible start-up? |
| 20:41.04 | maciel310 | basically, yeah. |
| 20:41.22 | maciel310 | and to allow the system to power down gracefully once main power is lost |
| 20:41.37 | maciel310 | which can happen without warning |
| 20:43.45 | Gumboot | Sounds like you really want hibernation. |
| 20:44.16 | maciel310 | yeah, I considered that an option too. is that supported with the current Android builds? |
| 20:44.43 | Gumboot | Don't know. I might have done it by accident once. Android startup up much quicker than I expected. |
| 20:46.03 | Gumboot | (but as I say, that could have been a low power state -- I didn't un-power it) |
| 20:46.06 | Gumboot | Or maybe I did. |
| 20:46.18 | maciel310 | hmm ok, I'll have to look into that. |
| 20:46.25 | Gumboot | I have this nasty habit of temporarily plugging things into TVs and monitors and then accidentally switching them off when I leave the room. |
| 20:47.18 | maciel310 | heh yeah that could be a problem. |
| 20:47.31 | Gumboot | Not with battery backup! |
| 20:49.18 | maciel310 | haha yeah, that's part of the reason why I'd like the battery solution in my setup. Currently I'm planning on powering the device through one of those cheap mobile backup chargers, then providing the main power (when available) to that |
| 20:49.33 | Gumboot | I also found that if I switch my computer off my monitor will follow, then everybody else goes with it.. It's different from the usual sleep state the monitor enters when the computer says it's asleep. |
| 20:49.50 | maciel310 | since the lipo controller isn't available on the cubie (at least in the current revision) |
| 20:51.38 | Turl | android can suspend |
| 20:51.54 | Gumboot | How suspendy is it? |
| 20:52.28 | Turl | well, the ram goes on autorefresh |
| 20:52.41 | Turl | and many clocks are shut down |
| 20:52.57 | Gumboot | OK, so some power draw, then. |
| 20:53.09 | Gumboot | Is cubieboard wired to un-power the periphery in that state? |
| 20:53.11 | Turl | yeah, but should be considerably less than when operating |
| 20:53.18 | Turl | and can boot instantly |
| 20:53.21 | maciel310 | awesome, sounds promising |
| 20:53.30 | maciel310 | happen to know a rough mA usage in that state? |
| 20:53.38 | Turl | no idea really |
| 20:53.42 | Turl | but think of a tablet |
| 20:53.52 | Turl | when you're not using it and screen is off, most of the time it's suspended |
| 20:54.44 | maciel310 | cool. wasn't sure if tablets/phones powered down additional peripherals when they suspended or not |
| 20:54.50 | Gumboot | But some of that does require correct wiring on the peripherals, right? So we'd need to double-check that everything else on the board can find a suitable power state. |
| 20:54.53 | maciel310 | if it is similar power draw then that should be sufficient |
| 20:57.59 | maciel310 | do you think it would be possible to pull android out of the suspend with a GPIO signal? |
| 20:58.24 | Gumboot | I expect you can use the power switch. Will that do? |
| 20:58.28 | Turl | well, the tablets turn on when you press the power button :) |
| 20:58.58 | Turl | iirc, you should be able to configure the interrupts allowed to wake it up |
| 20:58.59 | maciel310 | haha yeah, wasn't sure if that was a specific pin (used by the power button) that you had to use to wake it |
| 20:59.00 | Gumboot | You could probably make something which would strobe the power line if necessary, but that might require a board mod. |
| 20:59.44 | maciel310 | yeah, worst case I can pull off the power switch and wire that directly. ideally I'll try and use the gpio pins, but for my use board mods would be fine |
| 20:59.50 | Gumboot | What might be harder is telling Android that it has to suspend without it trying to ask for confirmation on the touchscreen. |
| 21:00.34 | maciel310 | suspend shouldn't confirm though, right? that's what normally happens when the screen turns off. only confirmation should (I think) be on complete power down |
| 21:00.35 | Gumboot | A lot of software seems to get in the way of that. |
| 21:01.08 | Gumboot | There's some instant messaging software my other half uses, and whenever she's chatting to someone, about four different devices all bleep every time a message comes in. |
| 21:01.19 | Gumboot | All over the house. |
| 21:01.35 | Gumboot | Even in the middle of conversations, where you'd _think_ people would get sick of it. |
| 21:01.42 | Gumboot | I certainly do. |
| 21:01.56 | Gumboot | But my point is, all these devices are sitting there with their radios and speakers on because this software is installed. |
| 21:02.21 | Gumboot | iOS, Android, and OSX. |
| 21:02.28 | Gumboot | None of them seem to get any sleep. |
| 21:05.21 | maciel310 | ah, that's true, the CPU could get woken up fairly frequently in that state. My setup will be pretty light app-wise, though. almost nothing should be accessing the network |
| 21:05.39 | maciel310 | and when they do it should only be while connected to power, so waking isn't an issue |
| 21:05.53 | Gumboot | So long as you control the software that's on there. |
| 21:06.20 | Gumboot | Seems modern mobile OSes don't really give you any of that control directly. You just have to never install anything ever if you want to be in control of it. |
| 21:07.26 | maciel310 | yeah. there should be very few apps installed on it, and some of them will be written by myself so I'll be able to make sure not to wake the CPU |
| 21:07.51 | maciel310 | newer versions of android have pretty detailed power usage information, too, so hopefully can tie in to that to help identify any offending apps that wake it too much |
| 21:10.37 | Gumboot | I had an Android tablet which I never used for about three months because every time I went to download something it'd tell me all the rights I'd have to give it and I'd go "ooh, I don't like the sound of that" and back out. |
| 21:10.48 | Gumboot | And then I realised I had no software on my tablet and it was a waste of money. |
| 21:13.22 | maciel310 | thanks for your help Gumboot and Turl, gotta run. If anyone happens to have power info for Android's suspend state, I'd greatly appreciate it if you could share, I'll check back through the logs later. |
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| 21:21.18 | widi | test |
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| 21:22.07 | widi | help me please |
| 21:22.45 | widi | why my cubieboard force close when i open setting>>storage |
| 21:22.55 | widi | sorry my english |
| 21:24.05 | widi | my os still using android |
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| 23:03.59 | buZz | !ks |
| 23:04.00 | buZz | !ls |
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| 23:19.40 | BigWhoop | buzz you can add new things to it :D |
| 23:19.52 | buZz | i figured, from irc? |
| 23:19.57 | BigWhoop | yep |
| 23:23.00 | BigWhoop | do you want to? |
| 23:23.17 | buZz | sure |
| 23:26.28 | BigWhoop | join #MHBSD for tests with the bot :D |
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| 23:28.31 | Philip_ | Just got RM's debian image installed and running |
| 23:28.33 | Philip_ | http://romanrm.ru/en/a10/debian |
| 23:29.51 | Philip_ | damn nice...write the image using win32diskmanager and then used gparted in linux to expand the volume...then put the microsd in the cubieboard and followed the instructions....now it recognizes the whole 1gb of memory |
| 23:31.09 | Philip_ | just need to get wifi working ....seems it's recognized, but i guess i am missing drivers |
| 23:31.11 | Philip_ | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter |
| 23:31.13 | BigWhoop | slaps buZz around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:32.24 | Philip_ | PING google.com(arn06s01-in-x08.1e100.net) 56 data bytes 64 bytes from arn06s01-in-x08.1e100.net: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=76.6 ms |
| 23:32.41 | Philip_ | even ipv6 works...damn nice |
| 23:33.05 | Philip_ | anyone else running this wifi chipset? |
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| 23:36.30 | Philip_ | thanks much rm |
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| 23:58.34 | BigWhoop | please buzzz...do all the programming things in #MHBSD and not here :D |