| 00:00.24 | Gumboot | I'm not completely convinced by my timing loop. |
| 00:00.38 | Gumboot | The difference it's showing is much too small even for bsl. |
| 00:03.33 | Gumboot | Shifts aren't looking good, anyway. |
| 00:03.51 | Gumboot | OOoh... OK, so that's an optimisation to my code, then. |
| 00:04.08 | mnemoc | pidpawel: if you don't want anything fancier than fbcon you can disable mali, ve, g2d and the reserved fb memory... getting the whole 1GB |
| 00:05.01 | pidpawel | no. i probably will try to run xbmc here so mali would be useful ;) |
| 00:05.07 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 00:11.19 | Gumboot | Well, there goes a cycle. |
| 00:12.54 | Gumboot | wonders how he got those messed-up timings in his head. |
| 00:16.48 | Gumboot | Did they shave off some forwarding ports for A9 or something? Cubieboard is the first A8 I've ever worked with. |
| 00:32.41 | pidpawel | btw - can you tell me your mem from /proc/cmdline ? |
| 00:33.37 | mnemoc | you don't need any |
| 00:34.00 | pidpawel | but it is set in default kernel's cmdline |
| 00:35.44 | mnemoc | but not used |
| 00:35.54 | pidpawel | oh. ok |
| 00:41.15 | pidpawel | i knew that it wont be so easy :> |
| 00:41.16 | pidpawel | http://wklej.org/hash/80b6febc27d/ |
| 00:41.27 | pidpawel | but ill debug it tomorrow ;) |
| 00:41.51 | pidpawel | thanks for help, good<paste-here-whatever-you-want> ;) |
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| 01:20.42 | ssvb | Gumboot: if you mean what's wrong with NEON in A9, it's just that it can't dual issue load/permute instructions anymore and also neon load/store unit got a downgrade in A9 |
| 01:22.16 | ssvb | Gumboot: A8 could handle a sustained rate of loading/storing 128-bits of NEON data per cycle, that's not true anymore for A9 |
| 01:22.49 | ssvb | Gumboot: but the NEON ALU part should be exactly the same for A8 and A9 |
| 01:25.22 | ssvb | Gumboot: on hand optimized NEON code, A8 can be up to 20-30% faster than A9 per cycle |
| 01:26.56 | ssvb | Gumboot: but typically the difference is negligible :) |
| 01:47.42 | Gumboot | You shouldn't be doing that much load/store to interfere with your permutes anyway. |
| 01:48.53 | Gumboot | The only time I did any serious NEON optimisation I calculated the number of operations I needed, and the theoretical throughput based on what I had been _told_ about the capacity of the NEON unit, and then set about with a best-guess scheduling of the instructions. |
| 01:49.26 | Gumboot | I hit just slightly lower than my target on the first run, noted it as a question "why is this faster than is possible?" and then set to work on something different because I was in a hurry. |
| 01:50.14 | Gumboot | Looks like I was approaching half the theoretical speed, now. |
| 01:50.48 | Gumboot | Although I would have to offset that against the memory throughput. |
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| 02:32.08 | dongs | anyone know an arduino-compatible gigabit ethernet phy IC w/fiberoptic support??? |
| 02:37.24 | Turl | why would you want GbE on an arduino? |
| 02:37.48 | Turl | I seriously doubt you can max out a 10Mbit line |
| 02:38.52 | dongs | you'd be surprised. |
| 02:43.48 | Turl | what's the clock on them |
| 02:43.59 | Turl | two digit khz? |
| 02:58.47 | dongs | whom? |
| 03:00.57 | Turl | arduino |
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| 07:25.42 | lawrence_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.29 | lawrence_ | was looking at notaz's work, looks fairly simple to port to cubieboard. i may have a go at that today and see if i can reap some benefits |
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| 07:28.03 | MrCurious | nice |
| 07:28.23 | lawrence_ | most of what he's done is neon optimized, which we have |
| 07:28.40 | MrCurious | you are making it sound simple |
| 07:28.40 | lawrence_ | and the framebuffer bits he queries the driver appropriately |
| 07:28.55 | lawrence_ | https://github.com/notaz/sdl_omap/tree/master/src/video/omapdss |
| 07:29.04 | lawrence_ | looks fairly straightforward. |
| 08:03.31 | rm | got my CB package from the post today |
| 08:03.51 | rm | cables indeed do not look very trustworthy |
| 08:04.17 | rm | Tom Cubie said 14 days ago |
| 08:04.17 | rm | > yes, new cables are sent out. Tracking number of the cables will be sent soon. |
| 08:04.34 | rm | I wonder is that to everyone or only some portion of the batch got bad ones |
| 08:05.38 | dongs | which cables |
| 08:05.46 | rm | power cables |
| 08:05.55 | rm | http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/cubieboard-open-arm-box?c=activity |
| 08:05.56 | dongs | the USB one? |
| 08:06.02 | dongs | mine didnt look bad. |
| 08:06.34 | rm | the USB-to-round-DC one, the kind you won't ever find anywhere (I think) |
| 08:06.52 | rm | it seems thin |
| 08:07.09 | dongs | mine is uh... |
| 08:07.32 | dongs | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.46 | dongs | i think thats more than enough |
| 08:07.46 | dongs | thats thicker than most usb cables I got on my desk |
| 08:08.11 | th__ | probably meant the round dc connector |
| 08:09.30 | rm | dongs, I got some cables from USB HDDs |
| 08:09.35 | rm | those are real thick |
| 08:10.02 | rm | and also shielded |
| 08:10.07 | dongs | duno man. you dont need that much on it anywayt. |
| 08:15.04 | arete74 | 5 |
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| 08:50.17 | suhanc | bye |
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| 09:22.05 | __redsonic__ | !ls |
| 09:31.46 | lawrence_ | http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard |
| 09:31.52 | lawrence_ | pin 33, 35 is incorrect |
| 09:32.36 | lawrence_ | its actually LCD-HSYNC LCD-VSYNC from cpu not VGA. |
| 09:32.41 | lawrence_ | someone want to fix up? |
| 09:42.04 | buZz | wiki can be editted by _all_ |
| 09:42.25 | lawrence_ | in countries that don't actively mess with your internet connection |
| 09:47.42 | rm | don't you have a server in the US |
| 09:47.49 | rm | could use it as a VPN + proxy |
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| 09:56.14 | mygpse | Hi! Who can tell from what repositories to take "Linaro alip", current builds of the forum does not fit, otstutstvuyut driver and it is impossible to collect them. |
| 09:58.25 | mygpse | Sorry, google translate. Привет! Кто сможет подсказать с каких репозиториев взять "Linaro alip", текущие сборки на форуме не подходят, нет драйверов для wifi и не получается их собрать. |
| 09:58.37 | BigWhoop | wtf :D |
| 09:58.42 | buZz | O_o |
| 09:58.50 | mygpse | ))) |
| 09:58.51 | mygpse | Sorry, google translate. Hi! Who can tell from what repositories to take "Linaro alip", current builds of the forum does not fit, there are no drivers for the wifi and it is impossible to collect them. |
| 09:59.56 | buZz | why not possible? |
| 10:00.08 | buZz | did you try grabbing rm's kernel? |
| 10:00.56 | buZz | http://romanrm.ru/en/a10/kernel |
| 10:03.03 | mygpse | I try to collect http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download/stable/#Recommended no exists /lib/modules/3.4.24/build/ |
| 10:04.30 | rm | s/"collect"/compile/ |
| 10:04.31 | mygpse | No, I use the assembly from Martin Wild (linaro-precise-alip-20121124-519_1GB v2, tested by me kernel 3.4) |
| 10:07.47 | mygpse | may not be installed as a package? |
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| 10:07.57 | SStrife | !ls |
| 10:09.12 | SStrife | !expl monitor |
| 10:09.13 | CubieFAQ | monitor: You really need an HDMI monitor capable of either 1280x720 (720p) or 1920x1080 (1080p) for use with the pre-installed image. Newer kernels should support and monitor with valid EDID. |
| 10:09.23 | buZz | Martin Wild has no custom kernels |
| 10:09.29 | buZz | they will not have any wireless drivers |
| 10:09.38 | buZz | because he's too lazy to compile one ;) |
| 10:09.42 | rm | mygpse, do you need a GUI desktop, or is this just for server use? |
| 10:09.45 | buZz | rm isnt and has his available |
| 10:11.26 | mygpse | rm, gui is not required, it is necessary to play video through lvds, lcd panel mounted. |
| 10:17.10 | mygpse | if I understand, I need to build a very core? from what repositories do it? I need to play video and wifi. Is there a mini howto? |
| 10:22.07 | mygpse | !ls |
| 10:22.50 | mygpse | !expl software |
| 10:22.50 | CubieFAQ | software: There is a screen of an application that is run during production to verify the board. Cubieboard is meant to customize and replace the default OS with whatever you need for your use the board. The new shipped Cubieboards (Indiegogo and latter) have ready to use Android ICS installed in the NAND memory. |
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| 10:23.35 | rm | mygpse, sec |
| 10:23.48 | SStrife | it's a shame the stock ICS image can't be manipulated to work with non-YUV monitors... :-/ |
| 10:23.54 | rm | mygpse, here: http://romanrm.ru/en/a10/cross-compile-kernel |
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| 10:25.58 | buZz | SStrife: afaik it can |
| 10:26.04 | buZz | SStrife: you just need to replace the kernel |
| 10:26.13 | SStrife | ah |
| 10:26.17 | buZz | but i am not sure A10 can even do non-YUV |
| 10:26.24 | buZz | with the current drivers ... |
| 10:26.26 | SStrife | i spent hours playing with those damn FEX files |
| 10:26.34 | SStrife | to no avail. |
| 10:26.51 | buZz | kernel has a lot of influence |
| 10:26.55 | SStrife | Ubuntu runs just fine, even berryboot |
| 10:26.58 | buZz | FEX is just configuration |
| 10:26.59 | mygpse | rm, ok. which packages to build for video playback from the console? |
| 10:27.01 | buZz | berryboot is a joke |
| 10:27.10 | buZz | !expl CedarX |
| 10:27.13 | buZz | blegh |
| 10:27.28 | SStrife | yeah, i'm not a fan so far... but it was the only way i could do something semi useful with my cubie |
| 10:27.46 | buZz | mygpse: i recommend doing this; http://linux-sunxi.org/VLC |
| 10:27.55 | buZz | SStrife: its just the first way you found ;) |
| 10:28.07 | SStrife | yeah. that. exactly. :) |
| 10:28.09 | buZz | but its far from the best method |
| 10:28.32 | SStrife | I like android, i want to use android, but the only display in the house that it will work on is our lounge room TV |
| 10:28.40 | mygpse | buZz, ok. it must be collected separately? |
| 10:28.44 | SStrife | hogging that doesn't make me too popular. :P |
| 10:28.57 | buZz | mygpse: yes, all on cubieboard is _MENT_ for customizing by yourself |
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| 10:29.17 | buZz | SStrife: try a new kernel and figure out how to use the EDID support |
| 10:29.26 | buZz | should help to make it work on more monitors |
| 10:29.35 | SStrife | yeah, that seems like the next logical step, i'll have a stab at it. thanks! :) |
| 10:29.49 | buZz | you should, cubieboard is such a project ;) |
| 10:30.04 | buZz | linux-sunxi.org has a _LOT_ of documentation that should help you get pretty far |
| 10:30.07 | buZz | read it _all_ |
| 10:30.15 | buZz | same goes for you mygpse |
| 10:31.22 | mygpse | ok,thanks. Collect on cubieboard? |
| 10:32.07 | rm | mygpse, this instruction is for compiling on Debian amd64 |
| 10:33.51 | rm | will probably work on i386, and maybe on Ubuntu |
| 10:34.20 | mygpse | thanks |
| 10:34.24 | SStrife | i wouldn't try it on an actual i386 though ;P |
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| 10:58.04 | fzerorubigd | !ls |
| 11:01.59 | fzerorubigd | is there any monitor output for this board? (not HDMI) |
| 11:03.10 | mnemoc | vga and lvds on the headers |
| 11:05.13 | buZz | also cvbs |
| 11:05.38 | Turl | and you can use an HDMI->DVI cable |
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| 11:06.32 | buZz | did anyone have success with hooking up VGA btw? |
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| 11:18.54 | lawrence__ | the wiki lies ;) |
| 11:19.33 | lawrence__ | VGA -> http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,104.0.html |
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| 11:20.45 | SStrife | OK this is interesting |
| 11:21.29 | SStrife | i get a picture now, on my old 19" LCD |
| 11:21.34 | Turl | lawrence__: "see attached"? |
| 11:21.40 | SStrife | but it disappears as soon as you click something... :-/ |
| 11:21.46 | SStrife | guess i need to buy a new monitor :P |
| 11:21.54 | lawrence__ | i'll flickr it, then i can do as inline |
| 11:22.20 | Turl | SStrife: maybe your power supply is not enough |
| 11:22.43 | rm | someone reported that already |
| 11:23.03 | rm | and afaik the response was that the built in Android image is not designed to be used :S |
| 11:23.07 | rm | it's just for testing |
| 11:23.21 | rm | my guess is, it tries to play a "click" sound when you click something |
| 11:23.30 | rm | and it fails horribly, maybe into a kernel panic |
| 11:23.50 | rm | flash some other/newer NAND image or use an SD one, etc |
| 11:26.54 | lawrence__ | SStrife - http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,104.msg342.html#msg342 |
| 11:26.55 | lawrence__ | amended |
| 11:27.05 | lawrence__ | also added note about wiki |
| 11:28.03 | lawrence__ | while i have people - any easy way to package the modules -> zip ? |
| 11:28.25 | lawrence__ | eg, build .ko's and add to a zip, so i can upload for others when i do builds? |
| 11:28.26 | buZz | tar czvpf modules.tar.gz /lib/modules/<VERSIONNUMBER> |
| 11:28.52 | lawrence__ | when i crosscompile |
| 11:29.07 | buZz | no idea then |
| 11:29.24 | Turl | tar cf modules.tar $(find -name "*ko") |
| 11:29.31 | Turl | something like that? |
| 11:29.34 | lawrence__ | ick, will have to do a something like that |
| 11:29.37 | lawrence__ | yup |
| 11:29.46 | Turl | there's a target to install modules to a dir |
| 11:29.58 | Turl | you may also install to /tmp/something then zip that |
| 11:30.40 | lawrence__ | whats that targer? |
| 11:30.43 | lawrence__ | targer |
| 11:30.44 | lawrence__ | fark |
| 11:30.49 | lawrence__ | targeTTTTT |
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| 11:31.16 | lawrence__ | feels better now after arguing with keyboard about what a T looks like |
| 11:31.59 | focus | is there a way to flash the internal flash of cubie with a image on a tf card? |
| 11:32.06 | lawrence__ | yes |
| 11:32.09 | focus | hooray! |
| 11:32.17 | focus | any pointers? |
| 11:32.26 | lawrence__ | http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,73.0.html |
| 11:32.37 | lawrence__ | tried and working. |
| 11:32.45 | lawrence__ | although you'll lose the android image on there |
| 11:33.11 | lawrence__ | essentially - 1) nuke nand, and make 2 partitions |
| 11:33.26 | lawrence__ | (via the image) |
| 11:33.29 | focus | if I loose android, is there a default one I can download from somewhere and reflash? |
| 11:33.55 | focus | (I don't need android - but that be another matter) |
| 11:34.01 | lawrence__ | main points to note - don't reboot too quickly, the nand writes aren't blocked, and can take a few seconds to complete |
| 11:34.03 | BigWhoop | !expl preinstalled-images |
| 11:34.08 | CubieFAQ | preinstalled-images: See http://dl.cubieboard.org/ for those images. |
| 11:34.33 | Turl | lawrence__: don't recall now, try 'make help', iirc that lists all the targets |
| 11:34.35 | Turl | should be easy to spot |
| 11:34.38 | focus | ah yes thankyou - plenty of images! |
| 11:35.00 | SStrife | rm, I'm not using the factory image, i got the tvbox image from dl.cubieboard.org |
| 11:35.24 | rm | SStrife, rel2? |
| 11:35.34 | SStrife | yes |
| 11:35.45 | focus | thanks lawrence__ for the link |
| 11:35.48 | SStrife | tried CM9, got no picture at all. |
| 11:35.51 | lawrence__ | no prob. |
| 11:35.55 | SStrife | but maybe i did something wrong |
| 11:36.00 | SStrife | so i'll give it abother burl |
| 11:36.19 | rm | maybe it is indeed a power problem then |
| 11:36.22 | SStrife | i'm using a 5V 2A power supply |
| 11:36.36 | rm | via mini-USB? |
| 11:36.45 | SStrife | yep |
| 11:36.56 | SStrife | though i did get my replacement power cord today |
| 11:38.22 | SStrife | arh well, i'll have another crack at it tomorrow |
| 11:38.34 | SStrife | thanks for your help so far, everyone! :) |
| 11:41.24 | lawrence__ | ah beautiful the installer tried to hose my linux box. grrr |
| 11:41.51 | lawrence__ | thank god i don't run a kernel version thats the same as the one i'm building too... |
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| 12:31.00 | Keeper | Hi |
| 12:31.12 | Keeper | can be written instead of Linux on NAND Androind? |
| 12:31.52 | Keeper | Replace Android on Linux |
| 12:33.18 | lawrence__ | Keeper - http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,73.0.html |
| 12:34.13 | Keeper | very good |
| 12:34.18 | Keeper | thanks |
| 12:35.59 | Keeper | I want my Linux boot directly from NAND |
| 12:36.10 | lawrence__ | yes, thats how |
| 12:37.57 | Keeper | lawrence__: thanks |
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| 12:46.02 | Keeper | Bad that Cubieboard only one LAN port |
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| 12:49.16 | Keeper | What you need to connect the JTAG? |
| 12:49.36 | mnemoc | a uSD breakout and some setup |
| 12:49.46 | lawre802 | a clue! |
| 12:49.53 | lawre802 | ducks |
| 12:49.53 | mnemoc | *g* |
| 12:53.16 | Keeper | thanks to all |
| 12:53.36 | Keeper | good luck |
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| 13:21.06 | marvinstuart | Anybody compiled version 4.2 android on the cubieboard yet and I get the image |
| 13:28.33 | buZz | no |
| 13:29.08 | buZz | dont even think there is a 4.1 compile that works properly |
| 13:30.16 | marvinstuart | Cm 10.1 is version 4.2.1 |
| 13:30.38 | buZz | yeah so? |
| 13:30.46 | buZz | 4.2.2 is just released |
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| 13:34.52 | Philip_ | Question...i am running linux via a microsd card...what is the best/prefered file system? I read ext3, but I am not sure |
| 13:36.26 | marvinstuart | Odroid has nightly builds on cm10.1 so I thought cubieboard would be close http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=odroidu2&type=nightly |
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| 14:10.32 | focus | has anyone attached an LCD to cubie and got it working? |
| 14:11.34 | focus | I got a coupld of 'standard' 40 pin LCD 4.7" to play with |
| 14:11.52 | mnemoc | george somethinggreeek did |
| 14:12.30 | focus | i search the logs |
| 14:12.58 | mnemoc | he is the guy who made the "baseboard" |
| 14:14.04 | focus | GeorgeIoak http://ibot.rikers.org/%23cubieboard/20130208.html.gz |
| 14:14.17 | mnemoc | yes, him |
| 14:14.36 | mnemoc | he is usually available on google talk/xmpp |
| 14:14.58 | mnemoc | same as the kick but @gmail |
| 14:15.02 | mnemoc | s/kick/nick/ |
| 14:18.00 | focus | ok I search for his stuff - is there an image which works with some specific LCD I could try? Otherwise have to manually do it from scratch - i don't mind but time consuming - and then upload the distro somewhere for everyone |
| 14:35.05 | mnemoc | focus: it's not an "image" thing, it's in script.bin |
| 14:45.28 | buZz | focus: the main goal of cubieboard is allowing customizations in firmware, so rolling your own is recommended |
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| 14:56.00 | rm | looks like the styrofoam packaging the CB comes in, will work as a ghetto case |
| 14:56.09 | rm | until I get those transparent ones |
| 14:56.16 | rm | hopefully it won't catch fire :D |
| 14:57.35 | buZz | rm: if you want, i have the transparant one spare |
| 14:57.39 | donigs | i dont think i ever noticed mine getting warm |
| 14:57.55 | donigs | but then again im not a lunix pro |
| 14:58.21 | rm | buZz, then what you do, is you buy another Cubieboard |
| 14:58.26 | rm | not send your damn case off to someone :D |
| 14:58.31 | buZz | rm: its on the plans |
| 14:58.35 | buZz | but i have a 3d printer ... |
| 14:59.30 | buZz | see my custom case; http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:40238 |
| 14:59.32 | buZz | ;) |
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| 15:20.27 | Turl | rm didn't you get a case with your cb? :p |
| 15:21.24 | Philip_ | i like the clear case i bought |
| 15:23.58 | rm | Turl, I got mine from Indiegogo |
| 15:24.08 | rm | I don't think there was an option to also order a case |
| 15:25.22 | Turl | the rich packages had the case |
| 15:25.33 | focus | mnemoc: thanks |
| 15:31.35 | rm | anyways |
| 15:31.47 | rm | I like how it's a drop-in replacement for my MK802+USB Ethernet |
| 15:31.59 | rm | just used the same SD-card |
| 15:33.31 | rm | (compared to the R Pi, which I received about a week ago - would have to set up everything from scratch on Raspbian or whatever) |
| 15:36.34 | Turl | you replaced uboot I suppose? |
| 15:42.21 | rm | no |
| 15:42.50 | rm | I will, to get the 1GB of RAM |
| 15:43.28 | rm | but someone noted that u-boot spl and script.bins targetting the old MK802 and/or Meles have really conservative DRAM/GPU frequency settings |
| 15:43.40 | rm | so they generally work on all A10 boards |
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| 16:04.24 | florian_ | Hi @all. QUESTION: Does anyone KNOW, when cubieboard is going to be available again?? |
| 16:10.51 | Turl | florian_: see /topic |
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| 16:16.19 | florian_ | @Turl: I'm on webchat - doesn't seem im able to change or even list topics |
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| 16:18.27 | Turl | "/topic" should work on webchat |
| 16:18.59 | Turl | in any case, check for new cubieboards after the chinese spring festival |
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| 16:26.40 | mnemoc | afaik freenode's webchat shows the topic permanently, as every other irc client |
| 16:35.47 | florian_ | "/topic" -> Insufficient arguments for command. | "/topic #cubieboard" -> not a channel admin |
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| 16:46.42 | jelly | florian_: weird. You should be able to see it if you cycle the channel, close the tab and /j #cubieboard |
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| 16:48.05 | jelly | florian_: it appears just below the chanel buttons, and above any channel traffic. "SOLD OUT - NEXT AFTER THE SPRING FESTIVAL (CNY) ..." |
| 16:48.06 | florian_ | well, still the same :$ |
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| 17:16.00 | florian_ | but: thanks anyway!! cu |
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| 18:41.56 | FergusL | !expl realtime |
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| 18:45.23 | Dave77 | do I have to recompile the kernel to get GPIO to work or can I just load a module? |
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| 21:18.47 | ipwn | anyone would know if someone has yet attempted to resolder 2x 1GB of RAM chips to the cubieboard with any success? |
| 21:20.30 | mnemoc | olimex tried to make a 2GB A10 board, but failed |
| 21:20.50 | ipwn | http://www.allwinnertech.com/en/product/A10.html says the A10 supports up to 64GB |
| 21:21.10 | mnemoc | but there is a guy in canada who made SoMs with A10 and claims to have succeed |
| 21:21.30 | mnemoc | ipwn: yes, by specs the A10 can do 2GB (64Gbit |
| 21:21.31 | ipwn | mnemoc, any URL on that matter? |
| 21:21.51 | mnemoc | ipwn: yes, by specs the A10 can do 2GB (64Gbit), but allwinner tells you it won't work |
| 21:22.28 | mnemoc | not of the head |
| 21:22.31 | mnemoc | off* |
| 21:22.51 | ipwn | it looks like http://romanrm.ru/en/a10/debian?s[]=debian would make cubieboards decent headless debian servers |
| 21:23.03 | ipwn | my only worries atm are the 1GB RAM |
| 21:23.21 | mnemoc | ipwn: if 1GB isn't enough, get more units and build a cluster |
| 21:23.32 | mnemoc | same with the sata |
| 21:23.36 | ipwn | a cluster? |
| 21:24.09 | mnemoc | http://guillaumeplayground.net/allwinner-a10-cluster-mele-a2000/ |
| 21:24.18 | ipwn | checking |
| 21:24.25 | mnemoc | and that device is only 512MB |
| 21:24.41 | mnemoc | with the cubie is much simpler |
| 21:24.43 | mrunix | heh, i just built a 7-way rpi cluster last weekend |
| 21:24.45 | mrunix | need moar cubies |
| 21:24.53 | mnemoc | :) |
| 21:25.15 | mrunix | mine is a hell of a lot neater though ;) |
| 21:25.17 | mrunix | 2 power plugs |
| 21:25.25 | mnemoc | 1GB + 1 SSD on each node, easy to stack, cheap and sexy cluster |
| 21:25.30 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 21:25.40 | mrunix | i actually got hadoop+hdfs+mapreduce working on raspberry pi cluster |
| 21:25.43 | mrunix | it *can* be done |
| 21:26.24 | SquirrelCZECH | just wonders if these arm's cluster can be actually powerfull |
| 21:26.38 | ipwn | rather get a proper board with 2GB of RAM and a dual core CPU :p |
| 21:26.52 | mrunix | eh |
| 21:27.06 | mrunix | this was a fun exercise, i can certainly say i understand how to install hadoop now |
| 21:27.24 | SquirrelCZECH | because if I imagine googles server |
| 21:27.26 | SquirrelCZECH | http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090401/GoogleServerLarge.jpg |
| 21:27.30 | SquirrelCZECH | :-) |
| 21:27.37 | rm | wtf do you need more than 1GB of RAM for |
| 21:27.47 | ipwn | is the cubieboard sold with an AC 220 volts adapter or? |
| 21:27.55 | SquirrelCZECH | ipwn: nope |
| 21:28.00 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 21:28.18 | SquirrelCZECH | hmm |
| 21:28.33 | SquirrelCZECH | just tries to imagine hdd storage based on cubies |
| 21:28.35 | mnemoc | it comes with a usb cable to connect to a 5V/2A power supply of your own |
| 21:28.53 | SquirrelCZECH | and I can't find really bad thing about it |
| 21:29.05 | SquirrelCZECH | because in terms of servers, it's cheap I believe |
| 21:29.35 | SquirrelCZECH | but don't know the speed results |
| 21:29.44 | mnemoc | with 1GB and 1 sata on each node you can make a pretty sexy inexpensive cluster |
| 21:29.46 | ipwn | rm, I need 2GB of RAM because these boards will be used as debian+rtorrent or debian+transmission 5$ USD a month "seedboxes" colocation rentals |
| 21:29.49 | SquirrelCZECH | because network raid is not exactly perfect... |
| 21:29.51 | mnemoc | consuming very little power |
| 21:29.55 | SquirrelCZECH | yep |
| 21:30.02 | SquirrelCZECH | but If I want data storage |
| 21:30.06 | SquirrelCZECH | I want raid usually |
| 21:30.07 | SquirrelCZECH | ... |
| 21:30.15 | SquirrelCZECH | which is problem here I believe |
| 21:30.23 | SquirrelCZECH | I woudln't push raid over cubies eth0 |
| 21:30.34 | SquirrelCZECH | and I don't really believe in raid->sata adapters |
| 21:30.48 | mnemoc | but you can do application-level replication/distribution of the sata |
| 21:30.49 | mnemoc | data |
| 21:30.59 | ipwn | rm, and I can't imagine my customers trying to run a "verify data" from a bittorrent client over iso images or whatever files that can be as large as 30GB with only 1GB RAM onboard |
| 21:31.25 | SquirrelCZECH | yep |
| 21:31.33 | SquirrelCZECH | but on the other hand |
| 21:31.43 | SquirrelCZECH | it's unbeatable in terms of price |
| 21:31.48 | SquirrelCZECH | and power |
| 21:31.50 | SquirrelCZECH | and size |
| 21:31.51 | SquirrelCZECH | :-) |
| 21:32.03 | ipwn | mnemoc, is it possible to have say, class 10 sdcards that can be used as RAM? while the full system resides on the NAND? |
| 21:32.05 | mnemoc | key is to distribute the job across nodes |
| 21:32.25 | mnemoc | sure you can swap |
| 21:32.31 | mnemoc | but totally kills the point |
| 21:32.38 | ipwn | the point is? |
| 21:33.16 | mnemoc | more performance per watt/dollar |
| 21:33.28 | mnemoc | swap slows things down a lot |
| 21:33.38 | rm | ipwn, what customers |
| 21:34.01 | ipwn | watt isn't an issue at all here, our main issue is the customer/inch ratio |
| 21:34.04 | mnemoc | swap is only good for storing inactive memory |
| 21:34.08 | ipwn | rm, what do you mean? |
| 21:35.03 | mrunix | customer/inch is a new one |
| 21:35.43 | mnemoc | ipwn: the armbrix can be a good board to try for you |
| 21:35.49 | rm | it's got a royally f*cked up Ethernet |
| 21:35.52 | ipwn | our business model only works if we maintain a decent ratio of "how many cubieboards" can we fit in a 52U rack space? |
| 21:35.53 | rm | the A10 that is |
| 21:35.59 | mnemoc | as you don't care abotu the price but about the "customer per inch" |
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| 21:36.07 | rm | sooooo I kind of wonder how that cluster works out |
| 21:36.09 | ipwn | the more being the better |
| 21:37.08 | ipwn | well we are aiming at 50$ USD per board ratio (not including power supplies, SATA cables, cases, fan, sdcards, etc) |
| 21:37.52 | ipwn | we're targetting at renting these as low as 7$ USD a month with unlimited bandwidth/traffic |
| 21:38.24 | ipwn | so that explains my interest in the cubieboards really |
| 21:39.12 | ipwn | mnemoc, armbrix zero do not have SATA on as far as I can see |
| 21:39.39 | mnemoc | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/12/26/135-armbrix-zero-exynos-5-development-board-is-now-available-for-pre-order/ |
| 21:40.02 | mnemoc | from the SoC to the right-bottom |
| 21:40.22 | ipwn | I still don't see a SATA port |
| 21:40.28 | ipwn | unless I'm missing the point here? |
| 21:40.42 | ipwn | oh right its there |
| 21:41.38 | ipwn | and damn A15 is a powerful CPU isn't it? |
| 21:41.53 | mnemoc | in the arm world, yes |
| 21:41.54 | ipwn | I mean architecture |
| 21:42.02 | ipwn | yea ofc in the ARM world |
| 21:42.33 | mnemoc | would still prefer a cluster of cubies |
| 21:43.17 | ipwn | 135$ is a killer though, we'd have to raise our rental offers as high as 10$ USD a month to be viable and then we'd be stomped by our competitors |
| 21:45.30 | ipwn | cubieboard seems really more appropriate board |
| 21:46.23 | mnemoc | yes, but you need to think your software in a distributed fashion. not in a farm of independent mini servers |
| 21:47.21 | ipwn | mmemoc, what speeds are you getting on a cubie with the on board ethernet? |
| 21:48.05 | mnemoc | there are some troubles with the driver, but people gets 90Mbps on lan |
| 21:48.34 | mnemoc | and 120-200MB/s on externally powered sata |
| 21:48.35 | ipwn | so 90Mbps out of the theorical 125Mbps we can get? |
| 21:49.00 | ipwn | externally you mean USB? |
| 21:49.25 | mnemoc | no, sata but taking powered from a separated supply instead of the pins on the cubie |
| 21:51.33 | rm | <ipwn> we're targetting at renting these as low as 7$ USD a month with unlimited bandwidth/traffic |
| 21:51.35 | rm | in Thailand? |
| 21:51.52 | rm | > * mnemoc would still prefer a cluster of cubies |
| 21:51.58 | rm | FIX ME ETHERNET |
| 21:52.00 | rm | :D |
| 21:52.02 | ipwn | and why would anyone use an external power source for their HDD when they can do that from the cubie? |
| 21:52.08 | ipwn | rm, maybe |
| 21:52.21 | mnemoc | rm: :D |
| 21:52.34 | rm | I'd consider one, but surely you mean something like 5-10 mbps only? |
| 21:52.52 | ipwn | no no |
| 21:53.00 | ipwn | 100 mbps |
| 21:53.11 | mnemoc | ipwn: the cubie is restricted to 2A, that limits to a max of 1A for the sata drive |
| 21:53.24 | mnemoc | ipwn: and that limits performance of the drive |
| 21:53.49 | ipwn | rm, the trick is to do QoS based on IP geolocalisation |
| 21:53.58 | rm | I see |
| 21:54.12 | rm | so "international: 2mbps shared" |
| 21:54.14 | rm | :) |
| 21:54.26 | ipwn | rm, we provide unmetered unlimited unshapped bandwidth to countries in the APAC area including Australia. |
| 21:54.33 | rm | that's nice |
| 21:55.02 | ipwn | th cn hk sg la vn and nz au |
| 21:55.08 | ipwn | jp as well of course |
| 21:55.44 | ipwn | our customers are able to download TV episodes and whatever show they missed on TV via p2p |
| 21:56.02 | ipwn | and for that service they want to pay as less as possible while using maximum ressources they can ofc |
| 21:56.42 | ipwn | a typical "seedbox" costs us 12$ USD to host and we resell it to our end users at 25$ USD |
| 21:57.12 | ipwn | a new competitor entered the game recently and provides the same service at 17$ USD |
| 21:57.26 | ipwn | so we're losing a shitload of customers on a daily basis |
| 21:57.47 | ipwn | our main constraint is not bandwidth or electric power |
| 21:58.22 | ipwn | it's really a matter of "how many debian/ubuntu servers can we host in a 52U rack cabinet?" |
| 21:58.45 | ipwn | that's how we recently got interested into SoC ARM powered devices |
| 21:59.13 | ipwn | we aiming at the 7$USD to 10$ price range |
| 21:59.32 | ipwn | we could do VPS but we're not interested into that |
| 22:02.06 | ipwn | anyways enough blabbling :) |
| 22:13.45 | Turl | ipwn: for the record, I run transmission on a 512M A10 device |
| 22:14.08 | Turl | runs just fine :) |
| 22:15.05 | ipwn | yeah but what speeds are you getting? |
| 22:15.20 | Turl | maxing up my residential 6Mbit line |
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| 22:19.26 | suhanc | re |
| 22:51.54 | qermit | lost sata cable |
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| 23:14.11 | anunnaki | hi, im in debate with buying a rpi, cubieboard, or hackberry. i like how cubieboard and hackberry have ir, but i dont know anythign else about getting linux on them |
| 23:15.08 | anunnaki | !ls |
| 23:15.38 | Turl | http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard/FirstSteps |
| 23:17.06 | mnemoc | wonders how everyone "knows" that !ls thing |
| 23:17.24 | Turl | mnemoc: the CubieFAQ bot spams you when you join |
| 23:17.31 | mnemoc | uhm |
| 23:17.39 | mnemoc | not nice |
| 23:18.14 | mnemoc | but i suppose it's useful on a support channel like this |
| 23:18.26 | anunnaki | Turl, thanks. so whatever progress is made with rpi is basically progress for cubie? |
| 23:18.30 | Gumboot | Where does the response to !ls go, then? |
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| 23:18.43 | Gumboot | Or is there none? |
| 23:19.02 | mnemoc | Gumboot: private probably |
| 23:19.08 | Turl | "[20:18] -CubieFAQ- testtesttest : Please use !ls on #cubieboard for a list of FAQs." |
| 23:19.09 | mnemoc | try it |
| 23:19.11 | Gumboot | Why not make the request private as well? |
| 23:19.17 | Turl | that's a irc notice |
| 23:19.19 | anunnaki | seems like ppl dont like the mention of cubie. im guessing its bc they have rpi |
| 23:19.33 | Gumboot | Who doesn't like mention of cubie? |
| 23:19.36 | Gumboot | !ls |
| 23:20.07 | anunnaki | everyone i talked to, says i shoudl go with pi or a droid stick.. instead of cubie or hackberry. the only two that have ir |
| 23:20.32 | Gumboot | I can't think why that would be. |
| 23:20.34 | Turl | it really depends on what you want to do |
| 23:21.11 | mnemoc | evil chinese even wanting to steal the dev boards for hobbiests market! |
| 23:21.18 | anunnaki | i was jsut about to order a cubie too |
| 23:21.27 | Gumboot | I haven't regretted it. |
| 23:21.30 | Gumboot | And I'm pretty impatient. |
| 23:22.41 | anunnaki | i want to use it just like a pc, use wifi, and bluetooth and ir mostly for transferring data. but i want to edit the bluetooth to not need a passkey to pair |
| 23:22.54 | anunnaki | i want to be able to use ir with a touch of a button |
| 23:23.32 | anunnaki | can i put gentoo on cubie? or am i limited to what has been accomplished with rpi community? |
| 23:24.21 | anunnaki | i just learned about cubie last night and read the specs and what not. i was mostly interested in getting a device with bt wifi and ir on it.. whether it be dongles or preinstalled. which ever is easier and works |
| 23:24.46 | Gumboot | gentoo? Does that involve building everything yourself, or is that optional? |
| 23:25.03 | Gumboot | I'm not sure I'd want to build everything myself on anything less powerful than a top-end PC. |
| 23:25.11 | Gumboot | I resent doing it on my mac. |
| 23:25.12 | anunnaki | !ls ir-interface |
| 23:26.22 | anunnaki | im just asking can i put any linux distro on it.. like whats everyone using on it now. i searched cubie on youtube and see videos of droids os on it |
| 23:26.40 | anunnaki | and im not familiar with droid at all. never owned a droid yet |
| 23:27.25 | anunnaki | !expl ir-interface |
| 23:27.28 | CubieFAQ | ir-interface: Please refer to the A10 User Manual section 19 IR Interface, the driver is already in the kernel, an input device that can work with normal IR remote. IR test is one of the tests of the Cubieboard before shipping. (http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/A10/A10%20User%20Manual%20-%20v1.20%20%282012-04-09%2c%20DECRYPTED%29.pdf) |
| 23:27.44 | Gumboot | droid as in Android? |
| 23:28.04 | anunnaki | droid as in droid anything |
| 23:28.55 | Gumboot | I run Debian. I briefly used an Ubuntu image. I'm sure Gentoo can be used just as easily. |
| 23:29.12 | anunnaki | read cubie had android os on it if you boot without your sd that has whatever image you want.. so question is, the images we can choose to put on it are those that raspberri pi community has? |
| 23:29.49 | Gumboot | Those images aren't a good idea. |
| 23:30.04 | Gumboot | Cubieboard is ARMv7-a, and you'd be better off using binaries built for that especially. |
| 23:30.28 | Gumboot | Most distributions are ARMv7, now, so that should actually _increase_ your range of options. |
| 23:32.56 | *** join/#cubieboard suhanc (~sha@ip-78-102-112-115.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 23:33.09 | Gumboot | This looks plausible: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/draft/bootstrapping-guide.xml |
| 23:33.50 | suhanc | do i guess well CubieFAQ is abot who jus didn' textmine well? :) |
| 23:34.16 | Gumboot | This one's much shorter, so it has less scope to be wrong: http://dev.gentoo.org/~darkside/prefix/arm/bootstrap-arm.xml |
| 23:35.08 | Gumboot | has no idea about gentoo and will stop looking at those pages now. |
| 23:37.39 | suhanc | Gumboot, both are from years before a10 arrived..gentoo is fine for me on x86 for linux..but then arch is faster to install :) |
| 23:38.08 | Gumboot | It shouldn't need to be new to be right. |
| 23:38.27 | suhanc | anyway,lfs then if you wanna mage it work on your specific olatform |
| 23:39.18 | suhanc | but luckily loads of distributors do this |
| 23:39.55 | suhanc | so yeah,i agree,if you want something for your specific hardware,gentoo is one of the best choices |
| 23:40.11 | suhanc | but the cubie is quite standard thing |
| 23:40.12 | Gumboot | I'm not wrong about this, am I? Any ARMv7 distribution install procedure should work just fine on a cubieboard? |
| 23:40.17 | *** join/#cubieboard emilepetrone (~emilepetr@c-24-22-29-165.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 23:40.24 | suhanc | i believe someone has already optimized some od on it |
| 23:40.56 | suhanc | my weird stuff is that i wanna get bsd on it,just i don't have enough time to work on this |
| 23:40.58 | Gumboot | suhanc: It's not for me. It's for anunnaki. |
| 23:41.11 | Gumboot | Which BSD? |
| 23:41.26 | *** join/#cubieboard emilepetrone (~emilepetr@c-24-22-29-165.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 23:41.57 | suhanc | Gumboot, i guess if someone has issues with "installing linux" and you respond this,it may be you're a teacher or just don't understand that person's question :) |
| 23:42.07 | anunnaki | the one guy in #edev was questioning putting linux on cubie with availability of drivers and such |
| 23:42.07 | suhanc | (no offense,kiddin' rather) |
| 23:42.45 | Gumboot | anunnaki: All the drivers I've tried have seemed pretty reliable so far. |
| 23:43.00 | suhanc | so yeah,gentoo is the best stuff to learn some linux if you're really interested |
| 23:43.21 | suhanc | i did it so,bnut i guess anunnaki just would like to have something non-android |
| 23:43.27 | suhanc | anunnaki, am i right? |
| 23:43.29 | Gumboot | I mean, you can get a binary kernal from whereever and copy the modules into place, then set to work building whatever else you need. |
| 23:44.30 | suhanc | that's gentoo..get a build environment to create your os while getting to know it |
| 23:44.34 | anunnaki | suhanc, yes non android. i never used it. |
| 23:44.57 | anunnaki | idc what os is on it.. as long as its not something im not familiar with. im only familiar with fedora ubuntu and gentoo |
| 23:45.55 | anunnaki | i just want to know if i can get a cubie and be booted up into a linux other than android |
| 23:46.00 | suhanc | anunnaki, dude,os just follow Turl's link or google your question..or if you're really into learn linux,go for Gumboot's docs,they're good material,but imho not for total beginners |
| 23:46.30 | Gumboot | You're not constrained to doing what someone has written down for you. |
| 23:46.31 | anunnaki | and please forgive me if my questions are a bit ridiculous. im new to the embedded world and making my first purchase tonight to join in on the fun |
| 23:46.47 | Gumboot | Or if you are, then you probably do need a pi. |
| 23:47.29 | Gumboot | anunnaki: These instructions worked for me: http://linux-sunxi.org/Debian |
| 23:47.35 | Gumboot | But they did not result in a Gentoo installation. |
| 23:47.43 | suhanc | :D |
| 23:47.58 | suhanc | Gumboot, that was the first step i guess :) |
| 23:48.34 | Gumboot | Oh, actually, it was the second. I picked up the wrong link. |
| 23:48.47 | Gumboot | Someone already posted FirstSteps. That's the important one. |
| 23:50.47 | Gumboot | Oh, I'm full of wrong today. |
| 23:50.50 | Gumboot | Try this: http://linux-sunxi.org/FirstSteps |
| 23:50.52 | suhanc | anunnaki, so the thing is..follow Gumboot's links in reverse order and you'll get your perfectly working linux there :) |
| 23:51.35 | suhanc | so Gumboot, i agree with that gentoo guide is really nice |
| 23:51.51 | suhanc | but not for people just trying to learn even something non-dos |
| 23:52.03 | Gumboot | I'm trying to be hip and modern by posting everything in reverse order like twitter does. |
| 23:52.07 | Gumboot | And people's email. |
| 23:52.16 | anunnaki | ok well debian is on cubie then.. thatll be fine |
| 23:52.16 | Gumboot | And livejournal |
| 23:52.21 | suhanc | lol |
| 23:52.26 | Gumboot | And that log viewer in Windows NT. |
| 23:52.38 | suhanc | anunnaki, debian is also good to learn basics |
| 23:52.51 | anunnaki | basics on what? |
| 23:53.28 | anunnaki | basics of using cubie or linux in general? |
| 23:53.53 | suhanc | Gumboot, don't tell me,i had a problem last year that i didn't know how to restart tomcat on windows without those catalina scripts :D |
| 23:54.04 | suhanc | anunnaki, linux |
| 23:54.20 | suhanc | the basics of using cubie is i guess even the developers are learning |
| 23:54.25 | suhanc | it's all of us :D |
| 23:54.32 | suhanc | not just them |
| 23:54.45 | suhanc | you,me,Gumboot,everyone |
| 23:54.52 | Gumboot | I'm too old to learn. |
| 23:55.01 | suhanc | we have a new device and all wantr to get the best out of it |
| 23:55.04 | Gumboot | I just poke at things randomly, and then forget what I did. |
| 23:55.08 | Gumboot | Then I forget why I did it. |
| 23:55.15 | anunnaki | ok cubie it is then. have you guys looked into hackberrys? |
| 23:55.17 | Gumboot | Then I forget what it was that I forgot. |
| 23:55.40 | suhanc | Gumboot, me too..but i'm still experimenting and making docs of it (only for myself until it succeeds) |
| 23:56.34 | suhanc | anunnaki, myself didn't..but i don't really care about wifi which is an advantage of hackberry |
| 23:56.37 | suhanc | afaik |
| 23:56.59 | suhanc | but it's the same architecture,just different peripherials |
| 23:57.05 | suhanc | also experimental |
| 23:57.26 | suhanc | you may find an other attitude of irc and forum community if you don't like us |
| 23:57.29 | Gumboot | anunnaki: You did mention wifi, didn't you? |
| 23:57.39 | suhanc | but we also help each other if we can |
| 23:57.57 | suhanc | okay,i'm trolling for minutes now and sa thisy |
| 23:57.59 | anunnaki | Gumboot, yes. it will never be connected to ethernet. its to be mobile at all times |
| 23:58.16 | Gumboot | I think you'll need to plug something in for that. |
| 23:58.32 | suhanc | but really..if you don't know what distro you wanna install,just follow the links the folks gave you |
| 23:58.45 | anunnaki | whether it use bluetooth to connected to internet or wifi.. but i want both options for it to choose from |
| 23:58.46 | suhanc | if you know,follow my advice and google it :D |
| 23:59.29 | suhanc | s/sa thisy/say this/ |
| 23:59.43 | suhanc | sometimes i type faster than i think :) |
| 23:59.50 | anunnaki | suhanc, i was just mainly curious if its possible to put a distro on these things. in the embedded channels i was in people didnt know much about cubie to give me an answer about how the cubie dev community is coming along |
