| 00:38.06 | dongs | heh |
| 00:38.19 | dongs | the lazycrap governor keeps shit at 60mhz most of the time |
| 00:38.22 | dongs | and things get slowwww |
| 00:38.33 | dongs | i had to set my stuff to performance to get anything done |
| 00:42.55 | jelly-home | dongs: http://linux-sunxi.org/Cpufreq |
| 00:43.33 | dongs | well, i just set governor to performance and sotpped caring |
| 00:44.35 | Gumboot | 200-300MHz seems to do just fine. |
| 00:45.37 | Gumboot | I wonder how low it can actually go. If 60MHz is just as low as somebody could imagine anybody wanting to go, or if there's an actual limit there. |
| 00:46.34 | Gumboot | I also wonder if the stutters when doing interactive stuff at that speed are pauses while the frequency changes, or just slow-running code stepping in and eating up a lot of time. |
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| 00:52.01 | dongs | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.04 | dongs | no thats just how lunix works. |
| 00:52.10 | dongs | shit was never designed to do anything with a monitor attached |
| 00:52.11 | dongs | and it shows. |
| 00:52.47 | dongs | wish people would fucking realize this after nearly 2 decades of trying and stop trying to force people to do shit lunix cant do |
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| 01:29.50 | Gumboot | dongs: I don't use it with a monitor. I use ssh. |
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| 02:22.17 | rvalles | Gumboot: iirc ultrasparc stuff could go as low as khz |
| 02:22.36 | rvalles | (yeah, weird) |
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| 04:15.57 | bstag | @WindLand it works |
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| 05:00.13 | Swivelgames | Hello |
| 05:00.35 | Swivelgames | TheSeven, are you there? |
| 05:05.02 | qermit | no |
| 05:27.24 | WindLand | any one ? |
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| 08:06.34 | SquirrelCZECH | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.42 | SquirrelCZECH | what do you think about this http://com.odroid.com/sigong/blog/blog_list.php?bid=127 ? :-) |
| 08:18.50 | th__ | it looks like an url with a smiley at the end |
| 08:20.12 | jelly-home | actually it's a question with an url and a smiley afterwards |
| 08:21.30 | th__ | thought the ? was just a hairdo |
| 08:21.54 | th__ | but srsly, can't tell as the url won't load |
| 08:24.12 | jelly-home | "There are two different LCD module kits for ODROID-X. One is 10.1inch and the other is 13.3inch. [...] interface board [...] has a RGB-LVDS converter IC and 3.3Volt step-down DCDC converter. |
| 08:24.12 | jelly-home | We used TI's SN75LVDS83BZ and Ricoh's R1240K003B respectively. [...] plug the LCD interface board into ODROID-X 50-pin connector." |
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| 10:41.59 | dongs | funny: cubieboard stays powered by uart pins if I pull out 5V power socket. |
| 10:42.38 | dongs | as in current leakage from uart, not actually using VCC from uart socket. |
| 10:42.57 | dongs | of course I doubt it actually stays power, but the red led stays on, cpu is quite dead |
| 10:46.14 | th__ | doesn't take much to light a led |
| 10:47.01 | dongs | well, the problem is |
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| 10:47.12 | dongs | it leaves the board in unusable state hwen I do plug the power back in |
| 10:47.23 | Jkx_e6 | Hi guys |
| 10:47.34 | dongs | and it tries to boot from nand instead of microsd becaus of that |
| 10:47.45 | dongs | since osme blocks of cpu do seem to stay pwoered or at least in some shitty state. |
| 10:47.54 | dongs | so i have to unplug all power and reocnnect. |
| 10:47.59 | dongs | whty doesnt this shit have a reset button |
| 10:48.01 | Jkx_e6 | I'm wondering, the kickstarter board is 1G RAM or 512Mb ? |
| 10:48.12 | lawrence | i have same issue dongs |
| 10:48.13 | dongs | isnt kickstarter like over logn tiem ago |
| 10:48.32 | dongs | lawrence: oh? well, i would expect all hardware to have it. would have been nicer if it didnt though. |
| 10:48.53 | dongs | could put some series resistors into uart lines, wont affect serial comms but won't pass enough current to keep shit running |
| 10:48.56 | lawrence | i've had mine powered from vcc even |
| 10:48.57 | lawrence | ;) |
| 10:49.06 | Jkx_e6 | dongs: not kickstart but indiegogo |
| 10:49.43 | Jkx_e6 | the indiegogo board is a 512Mb or a 1024Mb ? |
| 10:50.06 | lawrence | should be a 1M board |
| 10:50.12 | lawrence | 1G even |
| 10:50.26 | lawrence | 1M would be a bit small |
| 10:50.28 | lawrence | :) |
| 10:50.50 | lawrence | you can take a look at what chip is on there |
| 10:50.55 | lawrence | and see pretty easily |
| 10:51.16 | Jkx_e6 | lawrence: yep there is 2 256 chips |
| 10:51.28 | lawrence | 2 x 256x16 = 1G |
| 10:51.29 | Jkx_e6 | but the bootloader say 512MB |
| 10:51.42 | lawrence | change to the right bootloader |
| 10:51.46 | Jkx_e6 | CPU: SUNXI Family |
| 10:51.47 | Jkx_e6 | Board: A10-EVB |
| 10:51.49 | Jkx_e6 | DRAM: 512 MiB |
| 10:51.51 | Jkx_e6 | NAND: 3776 MiB |
| 10:51.56 | lawrence | change bootloadert |
| 10:51.58 | lawrence | hang on |
| 10:52.19 | lawrence | http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,26.0.html |
| 10:52.21 | lawrence | do that |
| 10:52.26 | Jkx_e6 | U-Boot 2011.09-rc1 (Nov 26 2012 - 14:01:52) Allwinner Technology |
| 10:52.34 | lawrence | its the uboot, not the hardware |
| 10:52.42 | lawrence | follow the instructions to update the uboot |
| 10:52.51 | lawrence | and it will automagically tell you the right details |
| 10:52.59 | lawrence | the newer bootloaders actually do it right |
| 10:53.25 | lawrence | what are you booting off of? |
| 10:53.28 | lawrence | sd or nand? |
| 10:54.32 | Jkx_e6 | nand boot |
| 10:54.59 | Jkx_e6 | w/ default android setup (and not HDMI output right now) |
| 10:55.10 | lawrence | make a bootable SD with linux |
| 10:55.19 | lawrence | and you can boot off that |
| 10:55.22 | lawrence | then mount /dev/nanda |
| 10:55.33 | lawrence | and change out the uboot with a newer one |
| 10:55.54 | lawrence | some images here http://dl.cubieforums.com/CubieSoftwareImages/ |
| 10:55.59 | Jkx_e6 | lawrence: Ok that looks fine |
| 10:56.03 | Jkx_e6 | thank for the help |
| 10:56.09 | lawrence | np |
| 10:56.16 | lawrence | wiki is also good - linux-sunxi.org |
| 10:56.27 | lawrence | have fun! |
| 10:56.32 | Jkx_e6 | thx |
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| 11:10.01 | Turl | dongs: lawrence it keeps using power out of the uart line for some reason |
| 11:10.25 | Turl | I don't get how though, unless it's using the rx line to do so |
| 11:10.37 | lawrence | i have mine unplugged |
| 11:10.44 | lawrence | i could power mine up via vcc |
| 11:10.48 | lawrence | and no other power |
| 11:11.06 | Turl | I use barrel plug + uart for debugging |
| 11:11.08 | lawrence | anyway i don't do that |
| 11:11.13 | lawrence | i use a max232 mostly |
| 11:11.17 | lawrence | not usb |
| 11:11.23 | Turl | if I unplug barrel plug it keeps it on some dummy state where it's powered |
| 11:11.25 | lawrence | usb gives me the shiznitz |
| 11:11.26 | Turl | but not enough |
| 11:11.52 | Turl | and if you reapply power and boot properly it doesn't like mmc |
| 11:11.57 | lawrence | yup |
| 11:12.06 | lawrence | as chip isn't being reset properly |
| 11:12.14 | lawrence | not a biggie though |
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| 11:12.22 | Turl | but I only have gnd/tx/rx plugged so it shouldn't be left in dummy state in the first place |
| 11:12.37 | lawrence | i don't have mine plugged in at moment so can't retest |
| 11:12.42 | lawrence | we're shutting down |
| 11:12.46 | lawrence | so i'm taking my work home |
| 11:12.54 | lawrence | they even turn off building power |
| 11:12.59 | lawrence | (landlord) |
| 11:13.09 | Turl | luckily I only need to unplug on specific cases, like when I derp clockings |
| 11:13.10 | lawrence | so tomorrow is it |
| 11:13.29 | lawrence | then 1 1/2 weeks of high explosive |
| 11:13.31 | lawrence | and back to work |
| 11:13.42 | lawrence | and it snowed today :) |
| 11:13.55 | Turl | never gets snow over here :( |
| 11:14.19 | lawrence | 1mm of snow here in shanghai and all you see is accidents haha |
| 11:14.42 | lawrence | insert chinese drivers stereotype joke here |
| 11:15.03 | lawrence | my munchkins did a logo for me |
| 11:15.03 | lawrence | http://openjamma.org/ |
| 11:15.17 | lawrence | gonna have to be that for now, cos we close tomorrow |
| 11:15.25 | lawrence | looks ok for a first attempt |
| 11:15.49 | lawrence | i think needs to be a bit more cartoony, maybe with eye's |
| 11:16.23 | lawrence | you'll never guess what cpu is going to be powering the board. lol. |
| 11:16.53 | lawrence | oh god, please shoot me now. I used lol in a sentence. |
| 11:17.27 | BigWhoop | 404 :( |
| 11:18.09 | lawrence | http://www.openjamma.org ? |
| 11:18.14 | lawrence | both work for me here |
| 11:19.00 | Turl | both working here too |
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| 11:19.15 | Turl | shoots lawrence with a A10s |
| 11:19.27 | lawrence | 512M ram - NO! |
| 11:19.32 | lawrence | A10 or A20 :) |
| 11:19.42 | lawrence | although A20 loses lots of good ports, so probably no to that also |
| 11:19.50 | Turl | A10S can use the same amount as A10 iirc |
| 11:20.05 | lawrence | why did i read its restricted to 512 ram ? |
| 11:20.11 | lawrence | i haven't read datasheet though |
| 11:20.11 | Turl | A13 is |
| 11:20.22 | Turl | both A13 and A10S are sun5i |
| 11:20.22 | lawrence | a10s is minus ethernet? |
| 11:20.31 | Turl | maybe that's the confusion |
| 11:20.34 | lawrence | i know its missing something i deem vital |
| 11:21.16 | Turl | http://linux-sunxi.org/A10s not much info there |
| 11:21.59 | Turl | https://github.com/OLIMEX/OLINUXINO/tree/master/HARDWARE/A10S-PDFs |
| 11:22.44 | lawrence | honestly I'd be happier with a QFP version |
| 11:22.46 | Turl | DDR3 – 32bit, up to 1G Bytes |
| 11:22.57 | lawrence | cos BGA means oh look, lots of via's |
| 11:22.58 | Turl | BGA336 |
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| 11:23.04 | lawrence | i know |
| 11:23.10 | lawrence | grumbles about pcb pricing |
| 11:23.45 | Turl | "Miracast (Coming Soon)" |
| 11:23.50 | lawrence | my pcb costs for the boards are going to be silly pricing for my prototytpe-> board :( |
| 11:24.07 | lawrence | will see who tom used after cny |
| 11:24.17 | lawrence | and see if cheaper than our guys in shenzhen |
| 11:24.25 | lawrence | probably about the same though. |
| 11:24.54 | lawrence | i found a decent history of the allwinner bits finally |
| 11:25.02 | lawrence | basically the one guy that started it all up died |
| 11:25.08 | lawrence | and allwinner is the remains of his team |
| 11:25.21 | Turl | A13 is eLQFP176 if you can live with 512M |
| 11:25.33 | lawrence | i'm not going X |
| 11:25.36 | lawrence | but i do need ram |
| 11:25.42 | lawrence | so sticking to a10 i think |
| 11:25.50 | lawrence | as it has SoC bits I need on there |
| 11:26.00 | Turl | I heard once allwinner was a spinoff of the company that did "S1 MP3" |
| 11:26.04 | Turl | actions or sth like it |
| 11:26.14 | lawrence | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.20 | lawrence | he was Actions |
| 11:26.40 | lawrence | but he moved -> Victory |
| 11:27.08 | lawrence | nothing to do with sigmatel's lawsuit i'm sure |
| 11:29.09 | lawrence | and victory seems to be what turned into allwinner |
| 11:30.10 | lawrence | and his team is the team doing allwinner |
| 11:30.20 | lawrence | or so i can see from the dodgy baidu bits |
| 11:30.29 | Turl | the name makes sense |
| 11:30.32 | Turl | victory, allwinner |
| 11:30.36 | lawrence | nah |
| 11:30.54 | Turl | if you're victorious you win :p |
| 11:30.54 | lawrence | its chinese translation |
| 11:31.02 | lawrence | allwinner is a good translation of the name though |
| 11:31.09 | lawrence | as it is all winner in chinese too |
| 11:31.17 | lawrence | winner of all |
| 11:31.35 | lawrence | its a very typical chinese grandious name hehe |
| 11:31.54 | Turl | oh, so their main name is not english? |
| 11:32.11 | Turl | I've only seen the english one stamped on the chips, website etc |
| 11:32.20 | lawrence | 全志 |
| 11:32.24 | lawrence | Thats the company name |
| 11:32.46 | lawrence | not sure whether they chose english -> chinese or chinese -> english, but i guess chinese -> english |
| 11:33.00 | lawrence | as its more chinglish than other |
| 11:33.02 | Turl | google says "QUAN Zhi" |
| 11:33.10 | lawrence | yes. |
| 11:33.11 | Turl | doesn't really translate it or something :P |
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| 11:33.17 | lawrence | 全 = All 志 = Winner |
| 11:33.30 | lawrence | +- |
| 11:33.34 | Turl | yeah but I chose chinese->english |
| 11:33.39 | Turl | not 'transliterate this' :P |
| 11:33.56 | lawrence | yup |
| 11:34.05 | lawrence | google is more amusing than useful |
| 11:34.22 | lawrence | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.27 | Turl | if you choose japanese it translates to "all 志" |
| 11:34.38 | lawrence | its virtuous sort of meaning |
| 11:34.51 | lawrence | aspiring maybe |
| 11:34.57 | lawrence | my chinese is a bit crap to be honest |
| 11:35.24 | lawrence | http://www.iciba.com/志 |
| 11:36.11 | Turl | :) |
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| 11:39.07 | lawrence | i did read they're having problems doing the quad core chip on the smaller process die |
| 11:39.21 | lawrence | as that was supposed to be announced but isn't |
| 11:39.25 | lawrence | and the dual still isn't |
| 11:40.01 | lawrence | which is probably why they're stalling with the a13 a10s which is same as a10 soc but less parts so higher yield per die |
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| 11:41.58 | lawrence | although, taking a quick look, i do see tablets with it,s o who knows |
| 11:42.09 | lawrence | maybe they ramp up after cny |
| 11:42.42 | lawrence | this is crazy specwise - http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.10.1.6gb6ob&id=18374187179&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id= |
| 11:42.47 | lawrence | 1300rmb |
| 11:43.15 | lawrence | 16G flash, 2G ram, 2048x1536 (iPad eDP screen), Quad Core A31 |
| 11:43.22 | lawrence | just over 200$ |
| 11:43.26 | lawrence | thats really kick ass. |
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| 12:01.07 | Turl | lawrence powervr :< |
| 12:02.25 | Turl | ainol is good quality wise, isn't it? |
| 12:03.44 | lawrence | yup, decent. |
| 12:04.54 | Turl | that website shows me a sad cat when I look for A20 devices |
| 12:06.14 | lawrence | thats because they haven't been able to make any decent yield yet from what i can read of the chinese chip mags |
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| 13:24.56 | jelly | hi, how much power does cubieboard draw in soft-off mode? |
| 13:25.20 | jelly | has no precise instruments, just a $7 cheap multimeter |
| 13:28.38 | lawrence | gimme 5 i find out |
| 13:30.18 | jelly | no rush... whatever it is, P(desktop suspend)+P(cubieboard on) will definitely be less than P(cubieboard off)+P(desktop on) that I use now |
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| 13:32.02 | jelly | power (or current) numbers for cubie at 400MHz idle and at Q3A timedemo running would also be nice ;-) |
| 13:32.27 | lawrence | how do i soft off? |
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| 13:33.07 | jelly | I run "poweroff" in linaro, or just push the power button |
| 13:33.46 | jelly | it shuts down and powers off, much like a PC. LEDs go off. |
| 13:35.01 | lawrence | on, seems to draw between 0.12 - .3A @5w |
| 13:35.58 | lawrence | although .15a with a usb wireless kb/mouse adaptor plugged in |
| 13:36.34 | lawrence | and ethernet is a big bloody power hog |
| 13:36.39 | lawrence | .32 with ethernet plugged in |
| 13:37.34 | lawrence | www.flickr.com/sheedl |
| 13:37.53 | jelly | assuming 5V, that's .8W and 1.6W respectively, kind of nice |
| 13:38.07 | lawrence | and in off, consumes 0 |
| 13:38.20 | lawrence | although my psu is wavering between 0.00 - 0.01 |
| 13:38.26 | lawrence | but its not 100% accurate |
| 13:38.31 | jelly | that's nice |
| 13:39.41 | lawrence | also, those are all at performancy |
| 13:39.44 | jelly | Ideally the power button should be in front of the PSU but hey 0.01A is good enough |
| 13:40.10 | lawrence | vs 60mhz mode |
| 13:40.21 | lawrence | so at full 100800mhz |
| 13:40.38 | lawrence | lemme see what slowpoke draws |
| 13:40.47 | lawrence | honestly though its really nice - low low draw :) |
| 13:41.10 | jelly | idly wonders what the extra +8kHz in the frequency choices mean |
| 13:41.51 | D-Tick | lawrence: can you put the power consumption stuff in the wiki? :) |
| 13:42.38 | lawrence | no |
| 13:42.47 | lawrence | china no like wiki |
| 13:42.57 | lawrence | so lawrence avoids |
| 13:43.22 | jelly | D-Tick: he's in .cn, and their firewall restricts POSTs to mediawiki sites |
| 13:43.50 | jelly | it's amusing and sad at the same time |
| 13:44.11 | lawrence | i think its just shanghai |
| 13:44.16 | lawrence | diff area's diff "blocks" |
| 13:44.19 | D-Tick | ... crazy.... |
| 13:44.35 | lawrence | ok, w/ondemand + ether = .22/.21A |
| 13:44.39 | jelly | "our deep packet inspection is smart enough to detect mediawiki, but not smart enough to just block wikipedia" |
| 13:46.30 | lawrence | looks like ondemand actually doesnt assist that much over the performance power draw wise |
| 13:46.39 | lawrence | the bigger draw is the PHY chip |
| 13:47.25 | D-Tick | lawrence: can you switch it to 10Mbit/s? |
| 13:47.39 | lawrence | i don't think that will matter |
| 13:47.49 | lawrence | looks like powering up the phy costs about .1A |
| 13:47.52 | lawrence | vs off |
| 13:48.12 | D-Tick | switching from 1Gbit to 100mbit on laptops saves a lot of power |
| 13:48.19 | D-Tick | maybe also on cubie |
| 13:49.12 | lawrence | i should also do a naked naked - no mmc |
| 13:49.21 | lawrence | just adding a few more scenarios for you |
| 13:49.29 | lawrence | and uploading / documenting |
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| 13:50.01 | lawrence | hmm, seems a bit wierd - ondemand vs performance not much diff |
| 13:50.08 | lawrence | mind you thats at no load |
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| 13:50.13 | lawrence | so.. |
| 13:51.03 | jelly | that means the cpu is good at being idle |
| 13:51.16 | lawrence | yupo |
| 13:51.26 | lawrence | i remove the mmc, i gain .01a |
| 13:51.28 | jelly | give it a cat /dev/zero > /dev/null & tho, |
| 13:51.29 | lawrence | so thats mild also |
| 13:51.50 | lawrence | removing the mmc, draw went to .4a |
| 13:52.00 | lawrence | as kernel went WHAAAAAT |
| 13:52.07 | lawrence | then settled to .11 after |
| 13:52.08 | jelly | mmc? uSD? |
| 13:52.36 | lawrence | mmc |
| 13:52.57 | lawrence | Micro Multimedia Card |
| 13:53.06 | lawrence | or something inane like that |
| 13:53.06 | jelly | I only have an uSD port! |
| 13:53.16 | lawrence | also known as MicroSDHC |
| 13:53.22 | jelly | MMC format is large and much older. |
| 13:53.59 | jelly | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiMediaCard </pedant> |
| 13:54.13 | lawrence | don't care |
| 13:56.00 | lawrence | next up, no display |
| 13:56.11 | lawrence | hmm, same |
| 13:56.19 | lawrence | i guess i need to not load the module to dispaly |
| 13:56.21 | lawrence | disable |
| 13:56.37 | lawrence | so, looks like draw is about .11A @ 5V for a working cubie |
| 13:56.44 | lawrence | good enough for me. |
| 13:57.11 | lawrence | these aren't accurate measurements, but probably accurate enough |
| 13:57.26 | lawrence | i have better tools, but i'd need to go pull them out, and ain't gonna happen. |
| 13:57.47 | lawrence | everyone happy? |
| 13:58.10 | lawrence | (i am, i had been meaning to do that anyway, so jelly got me to be productive yay!) |
| 13:58.46 | jelly | :-D |
| 13:59.04 | lawrence | oh wait, one last one |
| 13:59.06 | lawrence | with SSD |
| 13:59.07 | lawrence | yes? |
| 14:00.09 | lawrence | what does it mean when the cubie starts smoking? |
| 14:00.30 | lawrence | ;) |
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| 14:01.52 | buZz | lawrence: it means that the tobaccocompanies have made another victim! |
| 14:02.11 | buZz | 14:57:06 < lawrence> so, looks like draw is about .11A @ 5V for a working cubie |
| 14:02.28 | buZz | my calculations where about 620mA for a 100% cpu loaded cubie |
| 14:02.44 | lawrence | not @ load |
| 14:02.49 | lawrence | i can do a load if you need |
| 14:02.57 | lawrence | just did an ssd |
| 14:03.06 | buZz | LOAD "*",8,1 |
| 14:03.07 | buZz | plz |
| 14:03.08 | buZz | :P |
| 14:03.14 | lawrence | looks about .5A peak for that, although only at boot |
| 14:03.19 | lawrence | c64 |
| 14:03.21 | jelly | buZz: apt-get install vice |
| 14:03.25 | lawrence | or was that spectrun |
| 14:03.27 | buZz | ;) |
| 14:04.32 | jelly | mind you, vice is usually built to work on X, and probably won't perform too well basically unaccelerated X |
| 14:04.48 | lawrence | i'm only getting about .5A with load |
| 14:04.52 | lawrence | and stuff plugged in |
| 14:04.58 | lawrence | @60fps |
| 14:05.42 | lawrence | i shall upload |
| 14:06.19 | buZz | jelly: actually, vice _only_ functions on framebuffer like |
| 14:06.27 | buZz | jelly: it uses _NO_ acceleration |
| 14:06.35 | lawrence | http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheedl/8452429587/in/photostream |
| 14:06.55 | buZz | cute |
| 14:07.04 | buZz | whats the current drain on that SSD? |
| 14:07.25 | lawrence | .3 looks like over normal |
| 14:07.31 | lawrence | lemme unplug it |
| 14:07.39 | lawrence | y, about that |
| 14:08.03 | lawrence | ooh, peak about .4-.5 |
| 14:08.44 | jelly | buZz: Debian's build for x64 has: Settings -> VIC-II settings -> Hardware scaling |
| 14:08.53 | buZz | scaling yes |
| 14:09.14 | buZz | but not for sprites/copperbars/anything real |
| 14:10.55 | lawrence | lemme try another ssd |
| 14:11.44 | lawrence | air ssd's are better |
| 14:11.49 | lawrence | less current draw |
| 14:12.11 | lawrence | gen #2 ssd uses .1A less than SATA ssd |
| 14:12.39 | lawrence | lemme see if i have a real hdd somewhere |
| 14:13.13 | lawrence | oooh |
| 14:13.22 | lawrence | real hdd drew > 1A |
| 14:13.42 | lawrence | so you do need a semi ok psu |
| 14:15.29 | lawrence | ok, any requests while i have it all setup? |
| 14:17.33 | jelly | run libv's Q3A timedemo! :-D |
| 14:17.44 | lawrence | i don't have quake on here |
| 14:17.49 | lawrence | anyone have a binary handy? |
| 14:17.58 | jelly | ...nope |
| 14:18.00 | jelly | hides |
| 14:19.09 | lawrence | supermarioworld hits about .6A |
| 14:19.14 | lawrence | and shit fps |
| 14:19.15 | lawrence | ;) |
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| 14:34.16 | buZz | lawrence: my real hdd uses 0.5A |
| 14:34.26 | buZz | ah, you are not measuring seperate parts |
| 14:34.27 | buZz | rights |
| 14:34.29 | buZz | -s |
| 14:35.05 | lawrence | me fail math, thats unpossible 2=4 |
| 14:35.08 | lawrence | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:44.47 | Gumboot | has been searching for short, 24AWG USB cables for power supply. |
| 14:45.46 | lawrence | i'm sure i can find you some monster cable ones |
| 14:45.52 | lawrence | trolling? |
| 14:45.56 | lawrence | moi? |
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| 14:46.35 | Gumboot | 28AWG seems to be standard, and the resistance per metre is (according to wikipedia) approaches three times as much. |
| 14:46.45 | buZz | make sure you have oxygen free cable! |
| 14:46.49 | buZz | hrhr |
| 14:46.57 | Gumboot | I've bought more expensive cables than Monster, before. |
| 14:47.07 | Gumboot | Mostly just because they're shiny. |
| 14:47.08 | lawrence | actually i recommend the cubie supplied cable |
| 14:47.12 | lawrence | i believe its 1awg |
| 14:47.14 | lawrence | maybe |
| 14:47.34 | Gumboot | 1AWG is 42 square millimetres. |
| 14:47.34 | lawrence | it may even push power on occasion assuming it doesn't melt first ;) |
| 14:48.02 | buZz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9967991-1.html |
| 14:48.53 | Gumboot | If I read wikipedia right, a 28AWG cable will drop 0.2V per metre in each direction, so nearly half a volt per metre. |
| 14:49.08 | Gumboot | At 1A. |
| 14:49.25 | lawrence | most usb cables seem to be in the 30cm or less range |
| 14:49.42 | Gumboot | That'll help. |
| 14:49.58 | lawrence | and the ones i have are about 10cm |
| 14:50.07 | lawrence | so i don't worry too much about current drop |
| 14:50.13 | Gumboot | Connector quality probably dominates at that point. |
| 14:50.29 | Gumboot | I marvel at how much power people hope to get through mini-USB and micro-USB. |
| 14:50.40 | lawrence | you mean my twisting the wires with a bit of sticky tape isn't helping? |
| 14:50.51 | lawrence | :D |
| 14:51.01 | Gumboot | Actually, that kind of contact isn't all that bad at all. |
| 14:51.15 | Gumboot | Lots and lots of surface area compared to any USB connector. |
| 14:51.23 | lawrence | we had a client 1-2 months ago with adsl connection drops |
| 14:51.26 | Gumboot | Grotty, partially oxidised copper, but lots of it. |
| 14:51.44 | lawrence | eventually turned out that the last 3 metres, the telco were lazy bastds |
| 14:51.52 | lawrence | and taped together a telephone cable |
| 14:51.58 | lawrence | instead of running a new one |
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| 14:52.07 | Gumboot | OK, for signal connections... not so great. |
| 14:52.12 | lawrence | so client was giving us sh*t for our cabling job |
| 14:52.31 | lawrence | which we did tests w/fluke metering etc for |
| 14:52.40 | lawrence | and it turned out to be a 3rmb cable |
| 14:52.48 | lawrence | as the telco guy was a lazy bastard |
| 14:53.01 | lawrence | we couldn't spot it either, as it was behind walls |
| 14:53.11 | Gumboot | What would it have cost to do it right? How much cable would need to be pulled out? Would it have threaded out cleanly, or would there be digging? |
| 14:53.25 | lawrence | it would have been easy to do it right |
| 14:53.33 | lawrence | the guy who did it should have been shot |
| 14:53.45 | lawrence | i had to go there like 3-4 times to troubleshoot |
| 14:53.47 | Gumboot | I understand that's becoming an increasingly popular solution under the new president. |
| 14:54.01 | lawrence | and it turned out to be that. |
| 14:54.06 | lawrence | i was soooooo amused |
| 14:54.36 | lawrence | so amused that we called telco out and i was giving the technician abuse for a good few minutes |
| 14:54.45 | Gumboot | In English? |
| 14:54.50 | lawrence | in chinese |
| 14:54.56 | Gumboot | Nah. Do it in English. It's more fun. |
| 14:55.01 | lawrence | i'm good at swearing in chinese :) |
| 14:55.08 | lawrence | nah, if you start in english, they zone out |
| 14:55.38 | lawrence | besides chinese swearing is a lot more fun than english |
| 14:55.47 | Gumboot | Used to get stories of customer visits to Korea where they'd just sit you down and shout at you in Korean for ages. |
| 14:55.57 | Gumboot | I don't know anybody who knows Korean. |
| 14:56.07 | lawrence | i've been to korea |
| 14:56.13 | lawrence | not much advertising |
| 14:56.21 | lawrence | or electricity at night |
| 14:56.25 | Gumboot | Oh, I think a few people know touristy bits or something. Maybe more and they never mentioned it. |
| 14:56.29 | lawrence | and photos of kim everywhere |
| 14:56.51 | lawrence | oh, you mean the south.. |
| 14:56.55 | Gumboot | Turkey's full of pictures of Ataturk. |
| 14:57.36 | lawrence | didn't think much of the nightlife in pyongyang |
| 14:57.44 | lawrence | the ktv's were closed by 9pm |
| 14:58.05 | lawrence | and i wouldn't really get invited to the good ones |
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| 14:59.10 | Gumboot | What does "the good ones" mean in this context? |
| 14:59.45 | Gumboot | Wait... is the answer to that SFW? |
| 15:00.02 | lawrence | well, in china, i've been out and about, and i have very very very hazy memories of ktv's with gubmint officials after much baijiu |
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| 15:00.27 | lawrence | but in dprk i wouldn't get invited |
| 15:00.40 | lawrence | i would think |
| 15:00.43 | lawrence | being white n all |
| 15:01.01 | lawrence | racism i tell you ;) |
| 15:01.17 | lawrence | alright, i gotta head home, get some food etc |
| 15:01.23 | lawrence | then walk the dog shaped rodent |
| 15:01.24 | Gumboot | Maybe you'd be excused for being white if you said you were selling nuclear weapons or something. |
| 15:01.39 | lawrence | nah, then the US gets excuses to extradite you |
| 15:02.02 | lawrence | go read http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/compliance/documents/OngoingExportCaseFactSheet.pdf |
| 15:02.20 | Gumboot | You only say it at the KTV places when people look at you funny. |
| 15:03.01 | lawrence | only thing i don't like at ktv is the bathrooms |
| 15:03.07 | lawrence | you're standing there for a whizz |
| 15:03.23 | lawrence | and boom, someone comes up behind you and starts massaging your shoulders |
| 15:03.25 | lawrence | and its a guy |
| 15:03.44 | Gumboot | I went to one, once, but decided I could hold on when I saw the condition of it. |
| 15:03.51 | lawrence | first time that happens you're like what, aaah and it can be messy |
| 15:03.51 | Gumboot | No massage for me. |
| 15:04.10 | lawrence | especially if you're standing next to me while i'm peeing and that happens |
| 15:04.14 | lawrence | hahah |
| 15:04.38 | lawrence | ktv bathrooms in china are all bling bling |
| 15:04.55 | lawrence | haven't been to ktv in over a year though |
| 15:05.04 | Gumboot | This wasn't a main centre. |
| 15:05.07 | lawrence | drinking till i can barely walk isn't my thing |
| 15:05.10 | Gumboot | Not so bling bling at all. |
| 15:07.00 | lawrence | i'm offski |
| 15:07.01 | lawrence | ciao |
| 15:07.02 | lawrence | 88 |
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| 15:09.26 | Gumboot | What is "88", anyway? "rich rich" or something? |
| 15:12.58 | hipboi | 88 == byebye |
| 15:13.36 | hipboi | http://www.letao.info/cubie/ |
| 15:13.37 | hipboi | My Tortoise House |
| 15:13.46 | jelly | I barely learned qq are tears |
| 15:14.04 | hipboi | taking pictures every some minutes and upload with cubieboard |
| 15:14.56 | jelly | a wild radish appears! |
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| 15:38.34 | BigWhoop | whats the tortoise demensions? |
| 15:38.56 | BigWhoop | dimensions |
| 15:39.37 | Gumboot | hipboi: What's the link between "8" and "bye"? Cantonese homophone or something? |
| 15:40.18 | hipboi | the pronnouncation of 8 is ba |
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| 15:42.07 | Gumboot | I can't count as high as 8, so I don't know if "ba" is Mandarin or Cantonese or other. |
| 15:47.44 | hipboi | Mandarin |
| 15:48.07 | hipboi | Gumboot: how many can you count? |
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| 15:50.33 | Baikonur | among neonazis, 88 means hail hitler |
| 15:51.40 | Hrym | Hi guys! I think I broke the partition layout for my nand-flash, how can I restore it? :/ |
| 15:51.58 | buZz | nandpart? |
| 15:53.00 | Hrym | buZz: Nandpart just says that the partitiontable copys are bad. |
| 15:53.14 | buZz | i am sorry, i havent played with it |
| 15:53.31 | buZz | you could try to reflash with livesuit/phoenixcard i guess? |
| 15:55.25 | Hrym | Maybe, but isn't there any default image I can write to /dev/nand with dd? |
| 16:07.00 | Turl | can't nandpart rewrite them? |
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| 16:09.00 | Hrym | Doesn't seem like it... I just tried this http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,73.0.html , but doesn't seem to change anything. |
| 16:09.34 | Hrym | As in I still just have /dev/nand, not any partitions on it. |
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| 16:15.36 | lawrence | hrym - i have a flashable linux for nand |
| 16:15.39 | lawrence | not android |
| 16:15.42 | Turl | did you reboot after running nandpart? |
| 16:16.35 | Hrym | Turl: Yes, after syncing after dd too. |
| 16:17.04 | Hrym | lawrence: My goal is to run gnu/linux, not android :) |
| 16:17.15 | lawrence | ok then i have a winner for you |
| 16:17.22 | lawrence | http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,73.0.html |
| 16:17.29 | lawrence | blat that onto /dev/nand |
| 16:17.33 | lawrence | then reboot |
| 16:17.44 | lawrence | and copy a linux onto there |
| 16:18.01 | lawrence | the /dev/nanda is a minimal nand boot in /dev/nanda |
| 16:18.15 | lawrence | and /dev/nandb - stick your uImage (kernel) in /boot/uImage |
| 16:18.16 | Hrym | dd-ing cubie_nand_uboot_partition_image.bin doesnt create any partitions |
| 16:18.22 | lawrence | after mkfs.ext4 |
| 16:18.29 | Hrym | I've done exactly as you described in your post. |
| 16:18.41 | lawrence | i tried it, definitely works |
| 16:18.47 | Hrym | The problem is that there are'nt any nanda & nandb, jsut a nand |
| 16:18.50 | lawrence | sure |
| 16:18.57 | lawrence | you want to dd it to /dev/nand |
| 16:19.00 | lawrence | then WAIT |
| 16:19.03 | lawrence | do a sync |
| 16:19.06 | lawrence | then reboot |
| 16:19.17 | Hrym | Yes |
| 16:19.24 | lawrence | as the nand drivers dont' appear to block, so if its not finished it isn't there... |
| 16:19.33 | Hrym | How long should I wait? I waited for about 5min the 10th time. :P |
| 16:19.43 | lawrence | wait about 5 seconds is enoughreally |
| 16:20.06 | lawrence | if you can't get it working, then you can do it my way |
| 16:20.26 | lawrence | http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,72.0.html |
| 16:20.38 | lawrence | although you'll need to remake a nanda and nandb |
| 16:20.46 | Hrym | Then something isn't right. because I run "dd if=cubie_nand_uboot_partition_image.bin of=/dev/nand" then wait, then "sync", then wait again. Then I reboot. |
| 16:21.02 | lawrence | you should see 2 partitions post boot |
| 16:21.04 | lawrence | on nand |
| 16:21.09 | lawrence | fdisk -l |
| 16:21.20 | lawrence | should see /dev/nanda and /dev/nandb |
| 16:21.36 | Hrym | I know, but the problem is that I don't. :/ |
| 16:21.44 | lawrence | but /dev/nanda will have partition and data |
| 16:21.45 | lawrence | sure |
| 16:21.47 | lawrence | so... |
| 16:21.51 | lawrence | whats your nand chip? |
| 16:21.54 | lawrence | model? |
| 16:22.41 | lawrence | do you have the sunxi-tools? |
| 16:22.49 | lawrence | compile those, and nand-part |
| 16:22.56 | lawrence | what does nand-part show? |
| 16:23.56 | Hrym | lawrence: http://pastie.org/6088156 :/ |
| 16:24.11 | lawrence | uh |
| 16:24.21 | lawrence | why are you repartioning the nand again? |
| 16:24.27 | lawrence | ./nand-part /dev/nand 'linux 8000000' |
| 16:24.31 | lawrence | that means wipe my nand |
| 16:24.37 | lawrence | you'll need to reboot again |
| 16:24.46 | lawrence | just run nand-part |
| 16:24.53 | lawrence | without the /dev/nand .. |
| 16:25.05 | lawrence | as you basically just told it to wipe /partiition again |
| 16:25.14 | lawrence | of course thats not going to work.. |
| 16:25.17 | lawrence | reboot |
| 16:25.27 | lawrence | hmm, pastie.org isn't banned here |
| 16:25.28 | lawrence | wierd |
| 16:25.31 | lawrence | its blocked at my office |
| 16:25.36 | lawrence | not here down the road |
| 16:25.38 | lawrence | hrrmm |
| 16:26.16 | Hrym | I didn't find any manpage to nand-part, and --help said to do that... :P |
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| 16:26.29 | lawrence | uhuh. |
| 16:26.34 | lawrence | i suggest we start again |
| 16:26.38 | lawrence | have you rebooted? |
| 16:26.47 | Hrym | But I didn't do that after writing that image to /dev/nand |
| 16:26.53 | lawrence | i care not |
| 16:26.57 | lawrence | have you rebooted the cubie? |
| 16:27.01 | Hrym | lawrence: Yes, it's booted |
| 16:27.03 | lawrence | fdisk -l |
| 16:27.05 | Hrym | re* |
| 16:27.08 | lawrence | paste the output from that |
| 16:27.12 | lawrence | in pastie |
| 16:27.38 | Hrym | No valid table: http://pastie.org/6088181 |
| 16:27.48 | lawrence | thats fine |
| 16:27.50 | lawrence | now |
| 16:28.11 | android | does the android os installed on cubie board do 1080p for movies and such? |
| 16:28.39 | lawrence | blat this into the /dev/nand - http://dl.cubieforums.com/loz/boot_partition/bootloader/cubie_nand_uboot_partition_image.bin |
| 16:29.30 | lawrence | dd if=cubie_nand_uboot_partition_image.bin of=/dev/nand |
| 16:29.31 | lawrence | sync |
| 16:29.34 | Hrym | lawrence: Ok, done. I redownloaded it too... |
| 16:29.36 | lawrence | wait a few seconds |
| 16:29.40 | lawrence | 5-10 sec is fine |
| 16:29.43 | lawrence | just in case (tm) |
| 16:29.44 | lawrence | reboot |
| 16:29.50 | lawrence | then fdisk -l again |
| 16:29.52 | lawrence | and repaste |
| 16:30.04 | Hrym | safe to reboot? -.- |
| 16:30.32 | lawrence | see above |
| 16:30.52 | Hrym | I honestly just think my chip is broken... |
| 16:31.44 | lawrence | nah |
| 16:32.08 | Hrym | I have now rebooted, and there is still no nanda & b. |
| 16:32.11 | lawrence | what you see partition wise post rebooT? |
| 16:32.35 | lawrence | ok. |
| 16:32.36 | lawrence | so. |
| 16:32.49 | lawrence | lets play see whats in your nand |
| 16:32.55 | lawrence | nand_part /dev/nand |
| 16:33.02 | lawrence | says? |
| 16:34.59 | Hrym | "check partition table copy 0: BAD!" -.- |
| 16:35.11 | lawrence | ok |
| 16:35.14 | lawrence | next |
| 16:35.19 | lawrence | dd if=/dev/nand of=/tmp/nandraw bs=1024 count=1 |
| 16:35.24 | Hrym | is there some way to manually make the partitions? |
| 16:35.31 | lawrence | hexdump -C /tmp/nandraw |
| 16:35.33 | lawrence | and pastie it |
| 16:36.06 | lawrence | i want to see whats there |
| 16:39.32 | lawrence | you have to use the nand_part to create partitions, or do it manually, or blat a known working one one |
| 16:40.09 | Hrym | I'm installing hexdump... :/ |
| 16:41.18 | Hrym | http://pastie.org/6088288 |
| 16:41.37 | lawrence | hmm, and now pastie is blocked |
| 16:41.48 | lawrence | pick another one |
| 16:42.03 | lawrence | (another text sharing site) |
| 16:42.43 | lawrence | does it look like its something like - ...T....softw311 |
| 16:42.51 | lawrence | for first line |
| 16:42.54 | lawrence | or? |
| 16:47.25 | Hrym | "00000000 26 c6 65 83 0e 96 57 2b 42 bf 29 c3 bf 00 75 97 |&.e...W+B.)...u.|" |
| 16:47.51 | Hrym | http://web.ict.kth.se/~edwinn/nand.hex.txt |
| 16:50.01 | lawrence | that definitely doesn't look right! |
| 16:50.12 | Hrym | Looks like garbage to me :/ |
| 16:50.16 | idgogo | hello guys. Is there anybody from the cubieboard team I can talk to about customs declaration and invoices? Private? |
| 16:50.27 | lawrence | dump should look something like http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,63.msg215.html#msg215 |
| 16:50.50 | lawrence | idgogo - no |
| 16:50.59 | lawrence | probably not till after CNY i expect |
| 16:51.03 | rvalles | 16:32:57 lawrence | nand_part /dev/nand |
| 16:51.18 | rvalles | nand_part? is there a standard? some sunxi specific tool? |
| 16:51.27 | lawrence | we don't have raw access to nand |
| 16:51.37 | rvalles | yeah, heard that before |
| 16:51.41 | lawrence | its via the nand driver in kernel |
| 16:51.58 | lawrence | so the "data" is via its nand_fs driver |
| 16:52.06 | lawrence | and that hides sector 1 on the flash anyway |
| 16:52.13 | lawrence | hrym |
| 16:52.19 | lawrence | can you take a look at the file you downloaded |
| 16:52.20 | rvalles | this nand_fs thing... is it sunxi specific or a standard api? |
| 16:52.41 | lawrence | hexdump -C cubie_nand_uboot_partition_image.bin | more |
| 16:52.48 | Hrym | lawrence: Do you have checksum? |
| 16:52.59 | lawrence | and just make sure it starts with a line ending in softw311 |
| 16:53.53 | lawrence | i just downloaded it again, looks ok in a hex editor |
| 16:54.01 | lawrence | so guess its your nand then :( |
| 16:54.27 | lawrence | does your downloaded file have softw311 for the first line? |
| 16:54.28 | Hrym | Nope... actually seems like the image is garbage too :/ |
| 16:54.49 | lawrence | hmm |
| 16:54.50 | lawrence | wierd |
| 16:54.58 | lawrence | i just downloaded it, its 100% |
| 16:55.14 | lawrence | http://dl.cubieforums.com/loz/boot_partition/bootloader/cubie_nand_uboot_partition_image.bin |
| 16:56.09 | lawrence | should be |
| 16:56.22 | lawrence | hex - B81E562A00010000736F667477333131 |
| 16:56.30 | lawrence | for first 16 bytes |
| 16:56.50 | lawrence | not what you see? |
| 16:57.18 | lawrence | MD5 is 77e27c91d1d243cbb62e2789cf73c259 |
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| 17:00.39 | Hrym | Seems like it's correct now, downloading to my desktop 77e27c91d1d243cbb62e2789cf73c259 |
| 17:02.38 | Hrym | But that means other stuff could be broken too :& |
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| 17:07.22 | Hrym | lawrence: Well, thanks for the help. :) |
| 17:10.12 | lawrence | you sorted? |
| 17:13.02 | Hrym | lawrence: Yes, it finally worked. I have no clue how the file could get that weird though... |
| 17:14.38 | Hrym | I guess I need to start checking md5sums before I do stuff :/ |
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| 17:24.46 | lawrence | cool. |
| 17:24.52 | lawrence | another satisfied customer :) |
| 17:25.53 | sky770 | Erm..? |
| 17:26.07 | sky770 | whas tht abt? O_o |
| 17:27.51 | lawrence | i helped him flash his nand |
| 17:28.02 | lawrence | sounds a bit rude haha |
| 17:30.43 | sky770 | :p |
| 17:30.57 | lawrence | hey baby, can i flash your nand? bwahahahahaa |
| 17:32.16 | sky770 | GTFO my lawn MWAUHAHAH :D |
| 17:32.41 | sky770 | LMAO ^ |
| 17:33.05 | Hrym | ^^ |
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| 17:40.36 | sky770 | Lawrence..really did quit..wtf |
| 17:41.01 | sky770 | *Srry bro..I was kidding :D |
| 17:42.53 | Gumboot | hipboi: I can count to two. I can count to two because of the title of the computer game Yie Ar Kung-Fu. |
| 17:43.59 | Gumboot | Actually, I know three as well. |
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| 17:54.01 | suhanc | re |
| 17:54.25 | sky770 | Yo |
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| 18:05.20 | JotaMG | hi! |
| 18:06.21 | JotaMG | anyone knows a kernel for the Cubie that has the zd1211 wifi module ?? |
| 18:11.36 | sky770 | zzzzzzZZZZZ |
| 18:11.39 | JotaMG | anyone?? |
| 18:12.33 | sky770 | out of curiosity..which mod. Is this? Do you have a link? |
| 18:13.14 | mnemoc | JotaMG: build your own with the right extra drivers enabled? |
| 18:13.56 | sky770 | Other details such as chip name, vendor id string etc? |
| 18:14.16 | sky770 | ^ |
| 18:15.31 | sky770 | Mnemoc is it a known wifi module? (known to cubieboard) |
| 18:16.07 | bfree | zd1211rw.ko http://wiki.debian.org/zd1211rw |
| 18:16.10 | JotaMG | it is a Zydas xhip |
| 18:16.16 | JotaMG | chip |
| 18:16.41 | JotaMG | so, the only way is to buid my own kernel?? |
| 18:16.42 | sky770 | Hm.. |
| 18:16.55 | mnemoc | sky770: i've never heard of it, but if it's supported by linux 3.0/3.4 it can be enabled |
| 18:17.30 | sky770 | ^ JotaMG you heard the man :D |
| 18:17.59 | JotaMG | yes it is supported at least on i686 I know it is |
| 18:18.20 | sky770 | Welcome to ARM |
| 18:18.32 | JotaMG | do I have to build a kernel of my own?? |
| 18:18.38 | sky770 | not trolling :D |
| 18:18.58 | JotaMG | the chip is used in a wifi dongle |
| 18:19.23 | mnemoc | usb devices don't care if it's x86 or arm |
| 18:19.45 | sky770 | JotaMG that's what will be the last resort for me if I had one zydas/ |
| 18:21.22 | JotaMG | all the kernels for the A10 I've look at, dont have that module |
| 18:22.27 | JotaMG | do you know of a kernel that could have tthe zd1211 compiled?? |
| 18:22.50 | sky770 | No..I meant in the world of ARM..most of the things are to be uaer compiled (except for factory shipped phones) |
| 18:22.50 | sky770 | User* |
| 18:23.23 | JotaMG | I suspect that... :-) |
| 18:24.47 | JotaMG | so... where can I find a good tutorial how to compile and install my own kernel?? |
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| 18:25.57 | bfree | silly question, if you shutdown the cubie is the only way to power it up again really to reconnect power or am I missing something? |
| 18:26.17 | mnemoc | there is a power button |
| 18:26.43 | mnemoc | between the hdmi and the dc-in |
| 18:27.26 | bfree | it doesn't do anything for me though if I shut it down :-/ |
| 18:27.56 | JotaMG | Ah now that you are talking about buttons, what is the other button on the cubie... near the LAN ??? |
| 18:28.37 | soulskill | JotaMG nope..not me. Infact I din't even heard anything of your wifi mod. You gotta google it up |
| 18:29.10 | JotaMG | I try google... not help |
| 18:30.35 | mnemoc | bfree: try holding it |
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| 18:31.46 | bfree | mnemoc: oooooooooops, now I feel dumb ;) thanks! |
| 18:31.56 | sky770 | Lol |
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| 18:33.16 | sky770 | Shit..y'all should've read what mnemoc said above ^ "try holding it" :D |
| 18:33.44 | sky770 | wonders..if its the Beer o_o |
| 18:34.42 | JotaMG | and about my tutorial how to compile a kernel for the cubie ??? |
| 18:36.01 | mnemoc | http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux has some info |
| 18:36.42 | mnemoc | but /proc/config.gz can give you a better starting point than defconfig |
| 18:36.52 | sky770 | +1 mnemoc (now I knw how it feels.. :D) |
| 18:37.03 | mnemoc | sky770: :) |
| 18:37.12 | sky770 | Maybe we can have a bot in here? :D |
| 18:37.20 | sky770 | Pail |
| 18:38.40 | sky770 | A nice bot can pretty much answer all FAQ queries newes |
| 18:38.45 | JotaMG | mnemoc: no... too complicated for me... I neesd a more simple step by step tutorial... |
| 18:39.09 | sky770 | Am out :¦ |
| 18:39.11 | BigWhoop | and who program it? :) |
| 18:39.57 | sky770 | Bigwhoop its already out there with a not so shiny manual |
| 18:40.08 | BigWhoop | i mean the cubie answers :) |
| 18:41.30 | Dave77 | should be easy to get leds to work but I don't know how to redo kernel for it either |
| 18:42.01 | jelly-home | JotaMG: might want to stay away from an embedded platform like this, then -- they usually require you to learn things |
| 18:42.36 | sky770 | Jelly-home that's diacoraging him man :( |
| 18:42.41 | JotaMG | yes... but i'm willing to learn... just need the easy first steps... |
| 18:42.49 | sky770 | discouraging* |
| 18:43.23 | mnemoc | those steps are all you need if you are willing to try and learn |
| 18:43.33 | JotaMG | I want to learn... but not want to waist my time on tutorials that don't work...!! |
| 18:43.44 | sky770 | And you should learn..if you can |
| 18:44.06 | sky770 | Whoa whoa :0 |
| 18:44.13 | JotaMG | so I ask for a good tutorial?? |
| 18:44.19 | sky770 | Learning is a process |
| 18:44.38 | mnemoc | copy&paste tutorials are harmful |
| 18:44.40 | JotaMG | how to compile and install the kernel on the Cubieborad?? |
| 18:44.47 | sky770 | yes those are good links (if not full fledged tuts.) |
| 18:45.11 | sky770 | runs like a Kerbonaut.. |
| 18:45.12 | JotaMG | what links?? |
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| 18:45.27 | jelly-home | JotaMG: don't use tutorials at all. Learn how to compile a kernel for your PC Linux first, instead. Then when you're comfortable with that, try building on an A10. |
| 18:46.01 | sky770 | Jelly-home he first neesa to start from basics..I guess |
| 18:46.27 | jelly-home | sky770: and I'm suggesting a possible path. |
| 18:46.34 | sky770 | Needs* |
| 18:46.36 | JotaMG | I know how to build on Debian, for the PC... but I suposse for Arm is different?? |
| 18:46.39 | sky770 | Yep :) |
| 18:46.40 | mnemoc | http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux is a wiki, can be improved by anyone |
| 18:47.04 | mnemoc | JotaMG: the only diff is ARCH=arm and optionally CROSS_COMPILE= |
| 18:47.06 | jelly-home | JotaMG: it's the same, except for all the debian-specific packaging stuff. |
| 18:47.34 | JotaMG | but i think is that packaging that confuses me... |
| 18:47.36 | sky770 | Yep was for jelly-home |
| 18:47.46 | JotaMG | how do I install the kernel?? |
| 18:48.12 | jelly-home | backs away from this |
| 18:48.45 | mnemoc | JotaMG: you copy uImage to your boot partition and the modules in /lib/modules/whatever |
| 18:49.10 | JotaMG | just that?? |
| 18:50.03 | mnemoc | jelly-home: but I totally agree with you that devboards and ARM hacking isn't for people who doesn't want to do their homework and get dirty to get things working |
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| 18:50.08 | jelly-home | you might want to start with the first two questions at http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ |
| 18:50.18 | jelly-home | JotaMG: ^^ |
| 18:51.40 | sky770 | My point jelly home :p |
| 18:52.27 | sky770 | rolls his eyes towards mnemoc "we need a bot.. :D we need a bot!" |
| 18:53.54 | mnemoc | sky770: we also need people translating what we say into human-friendly wiki content ;-) |
| 18:54.12 | mnemoc | then pasting a link will be enough |
| 18:54.21 | mnemoc | also easier for a bot |
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| 18:55.33 | soulskill | . |
| 18:56.04 | sky770_ | Yeah.. |
| 18:56.52 | jelly-home | I'm a bit surprised the kernel images given to public (by eg. berryboot) don't have allmodyes-like configs with everything built... at least, every usb driver |
| 18:58.58 | JotaMG | jelly-home: you are tottaly correct... as it stands now, things are much more difficult than they should be!!! |
| 18:59.52 | jelly-home | JotaMG: "should" is where you're wrong. |
| 19:00.05 | JotaMG | by the way https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi does not have the zd1211 modules...?? |
| 19:00.06 | jelly-home | could, I fully agree with |
| 19:01.27 | JotaMG | ok |
| 19:03.24 | JotaMG | I think I will leave it for know... only receive my Cubie yesterday... I can not even upgrade the stock Android, because I don-t have any computer with Windows.... |
| 19:04.27 | jelly-home | wonders how much time it takes github to create a zip after a wget https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/archive/sunxi-3.4.zip is issued |
| 19:04.33 | JotaMG | but Cubieboard, until now, has not been a satisfactiry experience for me... will return to it later |
| 19:05.00 | JotaMG | thank you all and good-bye |
| 19:05.51 | jelly-home | JotaMG: see you... but note it's an experimental embedded platform -- don't expect things to be as easy as installing mint on a pc |
| 19:08.11 | sky770_ | Later |
| 19:10.04 | mnemoc | jelly-home: a .zip of the kernel tree won't compile. a .tar will |
| 19:11.03 | Hrym | JotaMG, https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/tree/sunxi-3.0/drivers/net/wireless/zd1211rw ? |
| 19:11.13 | mnemoc | Hrym: he left |
| 19:12.41 | Hrym | Oh, well |
| 19:14.06 | jelly-home | mnemoc: I hope the zip contains all the stuff a git pull creates. |
| 19:14.36 | jelly-home | ... it doesn't |
| 19:20.03 | jelly-home | er... git clone (shows I never use it) |
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| 19:22.00 | mnemoc | jelly-home: you can use these <http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/amery/repo-dumps/> as starting point |
| 19:22.09 | mnemoc | tarballs of fresh `git clone`s |
| 19:22.14 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 19:22.56 | mnemoc | then the update should be cheap |
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| 19:30.03 | Turl | mnemoc: did you tarball it all or just ".git"? |
| 19:31.15 | mnemoc | Turl: all |
| 19:31.51 | mnemoc | surely can make the bare too, but that is less "friendly" |
| 19:32.22 | Turl | and several hundred MB larger :< |
| 19:32.48 | mnemoc | will change the script to tar both |
| 19:33.07 | jelly-home | likes it this way. |
| 19:33.34 | Turl | I don't mind personally, I'll keep using git clone :p |
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| 19:57.35 | TheSeven | dongs: don't EVER drive a logic pin into an unpowered circuit high |
| 19:58.30 | TheSeven | that's what the 3.3v pin on the header is for: to power the level shifter (in my case) or the uart interface |
| 19:59.02 | TheSeven | if you can't avoid this at all, add a 1K resistor in series with the data pins |
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| 19:59.35 | TheSeven | lawrence_: you as well :) |
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| 20:34.04 | mnemoc | Turl: |
| 20:34.04 | mnemoc | 711M linux-sunxi.tar.xz |
| 20:34.04 | mnemoc | 634M linux-sunxi__git.tar.xz |
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| 20:34.53 | Turl | mnemoc: 77M :) |
| 20:35.06 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:35.49 | Turl | mnemoc: on the other hand, $ du -sh .git |
| 20:35.49 | Turl | 716M.git |
| 20:35.52 | Turl | that's mainline |
| 20:36.29 | Turl | the compression ratio isn't that good |
| 20:41.37 | mnemoc | 999M linux-sunxi/.git |
| 20:41.42 | mnemoc | 1.6G linux-sunxi |
| 20:42.43 | mnemoc | we really carry tons of crap :| |
| 20:44.10 | Turl | heh |
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| 20:47.35 | mnemoc | Turl: http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/amery/repo-dumps/ looks dirtier now :| |
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| 20:58.07 | Turl | mnemoc: why is it that we need repo dumps btw? |
| 20:58.42 | mnemoc | Turl: some people has troubles making the initial clone |
| 20:59.23 | Turl | is it failhub or their network? |
| 20:59.30 | mnemoc | a bit of both |
| 21:00.24 | Turl | let me see if bitbucket has autocloning |
| 21:01.59 | Turl | well, it has import |
| 21:03.57 | steev | mnemoc: get some versioning on |
| 21:07.04 | Turl | steev: they're not supposed to be refreshed much |
| 21:07.37 | lemonade` | is the hdmi an uncompressed signal, or is it lossy compressed like with mpeg or something? |
| 21:07.54 | steev | not refreshed much doesn't mean shouldn't be versioned, at least show the committish it's at/ |
| 21:08.51 | mnemoc | but what commit? if a branch changed and not the main one? |
| 21:09.31 | mnemoc | maybe a timestamp... |
| 21:15.15 | Turl | steev: you're supposed to download it and pull it |
| 21:15.26 | Turl | maybe refresh it every month or two and keep the names the same |
| 21:15.37 | Turl | s/pull it/pull/ |
| 21:16.06 | steev | ah |
| 21:16.56 | mnemoc | it's just an start point for people having troubles with `git clone` |
| 21:17.08 | mnemoc | not an alternative to git pull |
| 21:23.36 | toxicpsion | lemonade`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI ? can be either depending on screen mode/version of spec. |
| 21:29.01 | toxicpsion | v1.3 for a10 if i recall. |
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| 21:34.47 | focus_it | Anyone got a datasheet for GT8UB256M16BP - the DDR3 chip in cubieboard? |
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| 21:45.54 | mnemoc | focus_it: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/cubieboard/nCaijYEZcgs/T9fWbmrKl-sJ |
| 21:50.06 | focus_it | mnemoc: that is the 2Gbit device for 512MB RAM, the latest cubies are shipping with 1GB RAM and I need the datasheet for 4Gbit GT8UB256M16BP chip. |
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| 21:51.45 | mnemoc | focus_it: reply that guy. he seems to have them all |
| 21:52.18 | focus_it | mnemoc: will do thanks |
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| 22:00.12 | lemonade` | thanks |
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| 22:26.33 | dongs | TheSeven: easy for you to say. but normal mcus have protection against this kind of shit. |
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| 22:37.02 | TheSeven | dongs: I haven't seen any that have |
| 22:37.13 | TheSeven | they have clamp diodes, and exactly those are what caused this mess |
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| 23:34.20 | Dave77 | Dear CubieFAQ.. how do I expand the rootfs? |
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