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| 02:31.58 | MrCurious | anyone know where to get kernel source compatible with "Linux linaro-alip 3.4.24-a10-aufs+ #9 PREEMPT Thu Jan 24" to build modules for the cubie board? |
| 02:34.40 | AndrevS | Other then the linux-sunxi repository I am not aware of sources for an allwinner kernel |
| 02:35.33 | MrCurious | i tried from here http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/linux-3.4.24.tar.gz |
| 02:35.41 | MrCurious | but i am game for trying that one :D |
| 02:36.33 | AndrevS | look at https://github.com/linux-sunxi |
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| 02:37.18 | JordonWu | hi |
| 02:37.23 | AndrevS | hi |
| 02:37.28 | MrCurious | ty |
| 02:38.41 | JordonWu | is the new case of cubiboard ready for buy? |
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| 05:40.29 | dongs | where can I get one of these in stock |
| 05:46.47 | lunra | You can't atm, they're sold out until the end of Chinese New Year |
| 05:46.53 | lunra | Sorry :< |
| 05:54.29 | MrCurious | anyone built a kernel for their cubie board? |
| 06:03.27 | lawrence | many people |
| 06:03.53 | lawrence | quite easy, follow the instructions on the wiki |
| 06:04.33 | lawrence | or i wrote instructions here - http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,23.0.html |
| 06:05.24 | lawrence | wiki is here - http://linux-sunxi.org/ |
| 06:05.33 | dongs | which bits on A10 are closed sores? |
| 06:05.50 | lawrence | the CedarX parts we don't have source for |
| 06:05.56 | lawrence | and the MALI bits |
| 06:06.07 | lawrence | we have binaries for those |
| 06:06.17 | lawrence | otherwise pretty much everything else available |
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| 06:06.55 | dongs | ever played wiht sunxi-csi? |
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| 06:07.05 | lawrence | link? |
| 06:07.39 | MrCurious | mostly having a problem sourcing a cubie friendly linux sources ver 3.4.24 |
| 06:07.51 | dongs | lawrence: in the kernel sores |
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| 06:07.59 | lawrence | github MrCurious |
| 06:08.09 | lawrence | 2 branches |
| 06:08.11 | lawrence | 3.0 and 3.4 |
| 06:08.18 | MrCurious | oh! |
| 06:08.20 | MrCurious | snap |
| 06:08.46 | lawrence | https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi |
| 06:08.59 | lawrence | git checkout sunxi-3.4 |
| 06:09.14 | lawrence | (after cloning of course) |
| 06:09.45 | MrCurious | thanks! that was the missing command/step |
| 06:09.56 | lawrence | no problem! |
| 06:10.08 | lawrence | I think I need to add that in cubieforums.com as its a common question! |
| 06:10.14 | dongs | lawrence: https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/tree/sunxi-3.0/drivers/media/video/sun4i_csi |
| 06:10.33 | MrCurious | yup, as they didnt build in web cam modules... |
| 06:10.42 | lawrence | Also MrCurious - don't forget to set CPU speeds and possibly framebuffer settings |
| 06:11.01 | lawrence | The default sun4i config is make ARCH=arm sun4i_defconfig |
| 06:11.08 | lawrence | I usually modify from that myself |
| 06:11.24 | lawrence | i think there is also a ./configure cubieboard but i haven't checked its settings |
| 06:11.58 | MrCurious | will try the .configure... hopefully i can just make modules i need |
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| 06:19.57 | dongs | lunra: well, i grabbed one anyway. |
| 06:19.59 | dongs | ha ha. |
| 06:20.07 | MrCurious | just ordered one of those $12 gps pci cards |
| 06:20.31 | rm | MrCurious, wat |
| 06:20.32 | rm | where |
| 06:20.50 | MrCurious | http://dangerousprototypes.com/2013/01/25/cheap-laptop-gps-module-hacked-to-work-with-microcontrollers/ |
| 06:20.51 | MrCurious | ebay |
| 06:21.34 | rm | http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/agp-pci.jpg <- this is PCI |
| 06:22.32 | rm | by your link it's Mini PCI-E |
| 06:23.52 | MrCurious | most humble apologies, its late and i am tired :D |
| 06:24.14 | MrCurious | wondering if it will work with a wifi antenna |
| 06:24.32 | MrCurious | probably, question is will it work well enough |
| 06:25.16 | rm | I was considering to get an USB GPS receiver |
| 06:25.19 | MrCurious | oh sorry, thought i was in a different channel. didnt mean to be flippant :) |
| 06:25.22 | rm | just to use it as a time source |
| 06:25.33 | rm | and set up my own NTP server with it |
| 06:25.51 | MrCurious | this $12 one should do fine if you can solder. there are also $30 ones on ebay that are serial and take 3.3v |
| 06:25.53 | rm | but I don't have any computers that would be close enough to a window :) |
| 06:26.14 | MrCurious | i live in a 1 story house, and the gps works nice inside too |
| 06:26.31 | MrCurious | got a smart phone, does its gps work inside your house? :D |
| 06:27.14 | rm | nah, I only had a GPS tablet, it only worked near the window |
| 06:27.26 | dongs | well... you can attach wires to random minipcie modules.. or just get http://www.rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=763 for 10 bucks more and have a known working gps |
| 06:27.33 | dongs | ah the stuff some poeple will do over $10 |
| 06:28.12 | MrCurious | that kernel source hint was spot on thanks lawrence |
| 06:28.13 | dongs | does that minipci thing even have antenna on it? |
| 06:28.14 | dongs | guess not. |
| 06:28.20 | MrCurious | nope |
| 06:28.35 | dongs | so you'd need an antenna, with corect plug, etc. vs a solution that works. |
| 06:30.34 | MrCurious | $30 will get a module with a built in ceramic antenna |
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| 06:33.27 | dongs | as i linked. |
| 06:35.50 | MrCurious | if i didnt already have 3 gps modules, that one would tempt me more |
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| 06:46.43 | Dave77 | how many mm is the headphone/linein jack? |
| 06:47.39 | r4v5 | 3.5mm |
| 06:48.03 | r4v5 | dongs: linked where? |
| 06:48.29 | dongs | r4v5: the gps,, < dongs> well... you can attach wires to random minipcie modules.. or just get |
| 06:48.32 | dongs | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.50 | r4v5 | ...weird, I don't have that in my scrollback |
| 06:48.57 | dongs | its only like 15 lines up |
| 06:49.10 | r4v5 | there's a gap from 21:46 to 00:31 CST |
| 06:49.40 | lawrence | MrCurious - FrameBuffer, and Kernel Power config are not good defaults, so change |
| 06:50.11 | Dave77 | r4v5: great .. mpg123 plays audio.. wow :D |
| 06:50.35 | dongs | just got shipping # on my cubieboard, sweet. |
| 06:50.37 | r4v5 | huh. just refreshed the page and it's there again. Weirdness with the client. |
| 06:52.44 | MrCurious | lawrence: i did a zcat /proc/config.gz > .config |
| 06:52.56 | MrCurious | to preserve the values that are default on linaro |
| 06:52.58 | lawrence | always a good idea to check a working one, yes |
| 06:53.01 | lawrence | BUT |
| 06:53.11 | MrCurious | true |
| 06:53.19 | lawrence | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ the Linaro defaults are retarded |
| 06:53.38 | lawrence | so I suggest change to faster / better defaults |
| 06:53.46 | r4v5 | I can't wait for my board to get here. |
| 06:53.51 | lawrence | or on boot, your cpu will be sloooooooooow |
| 06:53.59 | lawrence | check cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 06:54.10 | lawrence | your cpu should be 1000+ bogomips |
| 06:54.27 | MrCurious | mine is default to 400, and on load goes up to 1000 |
| 06:55.00 | lawrence | mine is a desktop use, not battery use, so i keep mine running at 100% baby |
| 06:55.10 | lawrence | some notes on that here - http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,24.0.html |
| 06:55.33 | lawrence | PERFORMANCE is probably the best bet for most people |
| 06:55.55 | lawrence | remember, you'll need to compile in the governor you use via the .config setting or make menuconfig |
| 06:56.00 | lawrence | as otherwise its not in there |
| 06:56.00 | MrCurious | defaults to 60mhz? |
| 06:56.08 | lawrence | yup |
| 06:56.25 | lawrence | which is why quite a few complaints from people about it being crap slow in linaro |
| 06:57.11 | MrCurious | i was lucky enough to spot that it sped up under load before i asked that myself |
| 07:07.32 | lawrence | i really need to get mine working properly with one of the drivers |
| 07:07.36 | lawrence | in X11 |
| 07:08.14 | lawrence | eg https://github.com/ssvb/xf86-video-sunxifb |
| 07:16.44 | dongs | dumbquestion, do armhf bits for mali+etc exist |
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| 07:25.55 | rm | ...sure? |
| 07:26.01 | rm | did you look for them? |
| 07:26.08 | rm | http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400 <- 90% of that table is armhf |
| 07:27.31 | dongs | lol sorry. im a retard. |
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| 07:41.46 | Dave77 | how do I fix the filesystem of NAND if it has gone bad? (from uSD card install) |
| 08:00.43 | mnemoc | Dave77: many nand partitions on allwinner/android are raw (no filesystem) |
| 08:02.55 | icCE | :) |
| 08:04.20 | icCE | Dave77 recommend using f2fs |
| 08:05.01 | Dave77 | yes but what do I type in to get to fix to the nand? |
| 08:05.54 | mnemoc | Dave77: what exactly you got corrupted? |
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| 08:06.25 | dongs | which https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded do i use from here? eabi-none or eabi-lunix |
| 08:06.27 | Dave77 | it just complains about file system on startup then locks up after trying to read mmc |
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| 08:08.20 | dongs | o wait that gcc arm embedded shit is for cortex-M only |
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| 08:09.35 | dongs | what crosscompiler is recommended then. (or point me to wiki and I'll shut up - http://linux-sunxi.org/Main_Page doesnt mention what gcc to use) |
| 08:11.11 | dongs | found. |
| 08:12.08 | mnemoc | any between 4.4 and 4.7 should work |
| 08:12.31 | mnemoc | Dave77: so you are booting from uSD? |
| 08:13.37 | mnemoc | Dave77: pointing root= to the nand? |
| 08:13.47 | Dave77 | no NAND.. but wanted to know how I tell e2fs (?) to fix NAND |
| 08:15.57 | Dave77 | android broke.. don't know how to fix |
| 08:20.55 | lawrence | options for you dave77 |
| 08:21.06 | lawrence | use the livesuite or phoenix to remake an image |
| 08:21.32 | lawrence | or boot off of SD and mount the NAND partition thats not happy, and do an fsck |
| 08:21.57 | lawrence | nand partitions can easily be listed with fdisk -l from a bootable SD linux partition. |
| 08:25.23 | Dave77 | thanks , let you know if I fix it :D |
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| 08:36.34 | dongs | is there non-hf downloads for the linaro stuff. |
| 08:40.23 | mnemoc | dongs: linaro's toolchain is mostly ubuntu centric, where you can simply apt-get install it |
| 08:41.08 | mnemoc | the choice of toolchain is strongly related to what host os you use |
| 08:41.20 | dongs | um, isnt there a working arm gcc for "linux" |
| 08:41.58 | mnemoc | linux is a kernel |
| 08:42.28 | mnemoc | you can build your own toolchain on mostly any distro |
| 08:43.01 | dongs | https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded I can download this and untar it on any distro |
| 08:43.10 | mnemoc | but for certain linux distributions some toolchains are easier than others |
| 08:43.11 | dongs | is there a gnueabi-lunix equivalent of same thing that isn't tied to some d istro? |
| 08:43.30 | dongs | i mean, all i need is gcc-arm-whatever in path, right? i dont seehow this is distribution related at all. |
| 08:43.40 | lawrence | its not, |
| 08:43.46 | lawrence | you just need a compiled |
| 08:43.48 | lawrence | compiler |
| 08:43.52 | dongs | so where do I get it. |
| 08:44.05 | lawrence | you can choose Hard Float or soft float compiler |
| 08:44.09 | lawrence | what os do you run |
| 08:44.27 | dongs | linux. i dont think the details are that relevant, if its binaries. |
| 08:44.46 | dongs | I jsut want some binary I can untar and use, not package/distro sppecific shit. |
| 08:44.48 | lawrence | it matters in that for say a debian style distro, you can apt-get them |
| 08:44.49 | mnemoc | code sourcery toolchains are mostly agnostic |
| 08:44.51 | lawrence | apt-get install gcc-4.4-base-armel-cross gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi |
| 08:44.59 | lawrence | for soft float |
| 08:45.01 | lawrence | or apt-get install gcc-4.6-arm-linux-gnueabihf |
| 08:45.01 | dongs | isnt 4.4 mega old |
| 08:45.04 | lawrence | for hard float |
| 08:45.06 | mnemoc | https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded is cortex-m |
| 08:45.12 | dongs | mnemoc: i know. |
| 08:45.23 | dongs | i WAS going to use that (i use it elsewehre) until I noticed that |
| 08:45.32 | dongs | but that one I dont need to isntall anywhere just untar and use. |
| 08:45.37 | lawrence | if you've ever done kernel compiles, you'll note that you need to use appropraite gcc versions |
| 08:46.05 | dongs | since i need to be testing kernel drivers, I will need these 'appropriate gcc versions'. |
| 08:46.06 | lawrence | especially if you've ever done 2.4 stuff and found, oh great gcc isn't working due to bla |
| 08:46.08 | dongs | what should I use? |
| 08:46.19 | lawrence | there are 2 |
| 08:46.20 | mnemoc | dongs: to build what on what? |
| 08:46.24 | mnemoc | and don't tell me "linux" |
| 08:46.25 | lawrence | Hard float or Soft Float |
| 08:46.36 | lawrence | What are you building for? |
| 08:46.42 | dongs | mnemoc: kernel modules for A10 on x86_64 |
| 08:46.56 | lawrence | A10 doesn't run x86 |
| 08:46.59 | lawrence | so try again |
| 08:47.01 | dongs | he asked what on what |
| 08:47.07 | lawrence | you are compiling on x86 we know that |
| 08:47.11 | dongs | cross compile A10 shit on x86. |
| 08:47.14 | lawrence | but what are you compiling for? |
| 08:47.20 | lawrence | hard float or soft float |
| 08:47.33 | dongs | probably soft. |
| 08:47.41 | dongs | since thats what official A10 stuff uses. |
| 08:47.43 | lawrence | i'd choose hard float, as we have NEON |
| 08:47.51 | dongs | yeah, but I have to deal with what I have. |
| 08:48.02 | lawrence | and most of the distributions are hard float |
| 08:48.06 | lawrence | but whatever rocks your boat. |
| 08:48.24 | dongs | hmm. |
| 08:48.35 | lawrence | so, go locate gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi or newer |
| 08:48.39 | lawrence | and compile (assuming soft) |
| 08:48.40 | dongs | and lemme guess, kernel modules built with hf arent gonna work on original 3.0.wahtever allwinner kernel? |
| 08:48.58 | lawrence | you need to be consistent |
| 08:49.04 | lawrence | so compile with one toolchain |
| 08:49.12 | lawrence | can't mix n match soft and hard |
| 08:49.26 | lawrence | doesn't matter which you choose, just use one consistently |
| 08:49.29 | lawrence | both are find |
| 08:49.31 | lawrence | fine |
| 08:49.41 | lawrence | but hard float is better speedwise on the A10 |
| 08:49.44 | mnemoc | dongs: for the "original" gpl-violating bull crap, try code sourcery's toolchain |
| 08:49.45 | dongs | what is "or newer" |
| 08:50.03 | lawrence | gcc-4.4 or newer |
| 08:50.18 | dongs | mnemoc: but will it build wiht 4.4? |
| 08:50.24 | mnemoc | iirc the lichee code only works with 4.4 |
| 08:50.24 | lawrence | yes |
| 08:50.43 | lawrence | kernel code and gcc versions are quite tied together usually. |
| 08:50.52 | lawrence | you can't go hmm, gcc 7 is out, lemme use that |
| 08:51.08 | lawrence | for soft float use gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi |
| 08:51.17 | mnemoc | the public tree works fine between 4.4 and 4.7 |
| 08:51.21 | lawrence | yup |
| 08:51.31 | mnemoc | http://sourcery.mentor.com/public/gnu_toolchain/ <--- code sourcery toolchain |
| 08:52.28 | lawrence | probably easiest if you use a debian based for crosscompiling, as then its just an apt-get away for your toolchains. |
| 08:52.33 | lawrence | but really up to you |
| 08:52.48 | dongs | ugh |
| 08:52.54 | lawrence | or not. |
| 08:53.13 | lawrence | then just get a 4.4 gnueabi toolchain and go at it |
| 08:54.02 | dongs | k |
| 08:54.51 | lawrence | if you need the "original" lychee toolchain, i have it online accessible |
| 08:55.07 | lawrence | but for the sunxi stuff, 4.4-4.7 is fine as mnemoc said |
| 08:55.14 | icCE | pfff |
| 08:55.16 | dongs | i ahve the sdk disk we got with the a10 evalboard. |
| 08:55.27 | dongs | i saw 'ubuntu' in the build stuff and stopped reading there |
| 08:55.30 | lawrence | then why not use that. |
| 08:55.36 | icCE | https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain The Best! |
| 08:55.41 | dongs | because that ^ |
| 08:55.45 | lawrence | Linaro is debian |
| 08:55.49 | lawrence | ubuntu is debian |
| 08:55.52 | lawrence | debian is debian |
| 08:56.11 | lawrence | just stick toolchain in the path, and you're fine |
| 08:56.20 | lawrence | just remember to pass ARCH=ARM |
| 08:56.24 | lawrence | when compiling |
| 08:56.51 | lawrence | the sunxi stuff is better to use though |
| 08:56.59 | lawrence | as its newer, and less bugs than the BSP |
| 08:57.12 | lawrence | (sdk = BSP (Board Support Package)) |
| 08:57.36 | dongs | "sunxi stuff" = ? |
| 08:57.46 | dongs | i would have thought that's the stuff on sdk disk |
| 08:57.58 | dongs | but hten you say its buggy |
| 08:58.02 | lawrence | why would you think that? |
| 08:58.09 | dongs | < lawrence> as its newer, and less bugs than the BSP |
| 08:58.16 | icCE | lawrence I'm working on the creation of ubuntu 13.04 with kernel sunxi for A10 |
| 08:58.23 | lawrence | Allwinner supplied the BSP |
| 08:58.28 | icCE | and drivers |
| 08:58.36 | lawrence | The very nice people (like Mnemoc et al) |
| 08:58.42 | mnemoc | *g* |
| 08:58.47 | lawrence | took that, and ported it to newer linux versions |
| 08:58.47 | dongs | right, but I'm not really excited about using debian or ubunto. |
| 08:58.51 | lawrence | and started fixing bugs |
| 08:58.59 | lawrence | you don't need to use debian or ubuntu |
| 08:59.10 | lawrence | you can use what the hell you want. |
| 08:59.13 | mnemoc | there are some bits of mach-sunxi in mainline already |
| 08:59.20 | dongs | so were back t o my original question, where's a binary download of gcc-arm-gnueabi thats not some distro-specific stuff. |
| 08:59.27 | lawrence | you just need to stick in appropriate compile toolchain in your path |
| 08:59.45 | icCE | dongs how can you and I use gentoo :) |
| 08:59.55 | mnemoc | dongs: I gave you the link to download the code sourcery toolchain with is aimed at people like you |
| 09:00.02 | mnemoc | s/with/which/ |
| 09:00.04 | dongs | icCE: if I was using gentoo i'd be asking for sores, im not |
| 09:00.15 | lawrence | you go look for a compiled version of the toolchain or get the source, and make it yourself |
| 09:00.16 | lawrence | its GCC |
| 09:00.21 | lawrence | go get yourself some |
| 09:00.21 | dongs | mnemoc: k, i thought code sourcery stuff was pretty old |
| 09:00.37 | lawrence | i fail to see the issue here, i just see you being difficult |
| 09:00.57 | dongs | sorry. |
| 09:00.57 | lawrence | https://github.com/linux-sunxi is where the newer stuff sits sourcewise for linux etc |
| 09:01.06 | dongs | right, saw that earlier. |
| 09:01.09 | lawrence | there are 3.x and 3.4 kernel branches in there |
| 09:01.24 | lawrence | (in https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi |
| 09:01.26 | lawrence | ) |
| 09:02.04 | dongs | arm-2012.09-64-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz213-Nov-2012 12:41 90M |
| 09:02.08 | dongs | so this is legit? |
| 09:03.38 | lawrence | dongs - http://crosstool-ng.org |
| 09:03.44 | lawrence | go build your own toolchain |
| 09:03.48 | mnemoc | :) |
| 09:03.49 | dongs | pft |
| 09:04.02 | lawrence | http://crosstool-ng.org - diy |
| 09:04.05 | lawrence | no big deal |
| 09:04.11 | mnemoc | and if you want it easy, install ubuntu and apt-get linaro's toolchain |
| 09:04.13 | lawrence | will take a bloody age, but not a diggie |
| 09:04.17 | lawrence | (biggie) |
| 09:04.24 | lawrence | which is way easier |
| 09:04.36 | lawrence | but, its linux, you are free to do whatever you want |
| 09:04.54 | dongs | i don't wanna do whatever I want. I just want shit to work |
| 09:05.08 | lawrence | well, then we would probably recommend this |
| 09:05.17 | lawrence | #1 - be nicer to the people giving you advice |
| 09:05.22 | dongs | check |
| 09:05.33 | lawrence | #2 - debian based, as the toolchain is an apt-get away |
| 09:05.51 | lawrence | #3 - if you don't, its also cool, but you need to source or build your own - http://crosstool-ng.org is a good start for that |
| 09:06.16 | lawrence | you'll need gcc-4.4 - 4.7 for your choice of kernel compiling |
| 09:06.27 | lawrence | gcc-4..4 for the sdk/bsp supplied kernel |
| 09:06.46 | lawrence | or up to gcc-4.7 for the newer/ better/fixed sunxi-linux one on githgub |
| 09:06.50 | dongs | ./arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 09:06.54 | dongs | haha.. |
| 09:06.56 | dongs | sigh |
| 09:07.08 | lawrence | so #3 - build thine own |
| 09:07.41 | lawrence | also mnemoc is one of the nice people that did a lot of the porting work on linux-sunxi, so be nice, as thats a lot of work, and someone needs to be grateful. |
| 09:07.51 | lawrence | there are others on here too. |
| 09:08.09 | lawrence | There is a google mail list for the kernel dev guys. |
| 09:08.18 | lawrence | suggest subscribe to that, its good reading |
| 09:08.28 | dongs | i saw that. |
| 09:08.45 | rm | I am not sure I understood what are we trying to achieve here, but if you need a toolchain and don't want to build one, there's Emdebian |
| 09:08.54 | dongs | as i said my direct interest is the csi0/1 stuff in videodev |
| 09:09.00 | rm | http://romanrm.ru/en/a10/cross-compile-kernel <- steps 1-3 |
| 09:09.22 | dongs | but i want to try using it as mpegts input port, which seems to be not something coverd by the docs |
| 09:09.28 | dongs | while schematics suggest is possible. |
| 09:09.44 | lawrence | we don't have good docs on a lot of the stuff |
| 09:10.11 | lawrence | so lots of it is bleeding edge when it comes to the cedarx bits (encoding / decoding hardware in the SoC) |
| 09:10.12 | dongs | well, i ahve whatever docs come with bsp, but they only cover csi registers + whatever but no mention of csi's ts functionality. |
| 09:10.22 | dongs | cedarx is not involved in this |
| 09:10.38 | lawrence | If you bought a devkit, you can contact Allwinner with these questions |
| 09:10.55 | dongs | that'd be too easy. |
| 09:11.26 | dongs | if you actually tried buying a devkit (from allwinner, or wits) and getting support on it, you'd know how it works (hint: it doenst) |
| 09:11.26 | mnemoc | https://github.com/linux-sunxi/cedarx-libs/tree/master/doc <--- the publicly available cedarx documentation |
| 09:12.10 | lawrence | Devkit is only 6000rmb |
| 09:12.18 | lawrence | i could get one, and get some support |
| 09:12.33 | lawrence | but i do know that its going to be we don't know, we'll get back to you (never) |
| 09:12.46 | mnemoc | wants an A20 devkit and eva doesn't reply to me anymore :< |
| 09:13.01 | lawrence | i don't think they have engineering samples out yet |
| 09:13.08 | lawrence | i can ask after CNY |
| 09:13.14 | mnemoc | :) |
| 09:14.11 | lawrence | Dongs - easiest is to unpack the bsp |
| 09:14.28 | lawrence | and check the source for anything that uses the csi0 camera bits |
| 09:14.35 | dongs | yeah, i did |
| 09:14.50 | lawrence | as thats the only way you'll get useful info |
| 09:14.51 | dongs | there's even register docs and some sample code |
| 09:14.57 | dongs | but its all setup to use csi as a camera interface. |
| 09:15.01 | dongs | i.e. video + frames. |
| 09:15.26 | lawrence | essentially, no-one has decent docs on a lot of this stuff |
| 09:15.32 | lawrence | so its work it out on your own |
| 09:15.37 | dongs | but schematic has connections for mpeg2ts parallel port, i.e. clk/psync/dval/8bit data |
| 09:16.14 | lawrence | then ask specific questions to your supplier |
| 09:16.26 | lawrence | as we don't know either for the most part. |
| 09:16.42 | lawrence | i'd look at the sunxi code though, and the mail list and see if anyone has attacked that yet |
| 09:17.05 | lawrence | if so, there may be some code other than the mystery box stuff allwinner supplies |
| 09:18.58 | lawrence | what version of the BSP did you get? |
| 09:23.49 | dongs | hi |
| 09:23.54 | dongs | sorry, was away. |
| 09:23.57 | dongs | um, lemme see |
| 09:24.19 | dongs | A10 bla bla v1.1 2012/6/14 |
| 09:24.32 | lawrence | old one then |
| 09:24.52 | lawrence | where are you located? |
| 09:25.55 | dongs | japan. 1.1 is waht readme says on the top of the disk. |
| 09:26.05 | dongs | there's also some 1.5 stuff but i duno if thats related. |
| 09:26.10 | lawrence | if you are closish to china, then there is a more recent bsp download here - http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=252139&uk=1126778171 |
| 09:26.18 | dongs | the organization is a mess |
| 09:26.24 | lawrence | the sunxi stuff is better though |
| 09:26.33 | lawrence | but its good to compare revisions of their BSP |
| 09:27.01 | lawrence | and you can build a toolchain with that also, as it uses buildroot |
| 09:28.29 | dongs | i dont think that's the documentation+etc though. |
| 09:28.47 | lawrence | no. the full set is larger |
| 09:29.05 | lawrence | thats the subset of the lychee toolchain and kernel for the crane board |
| 09:29.21 | dongs | i have docs on the csi which are chiense docs + engglish stuff overlayed on top. but its all video-frame-centric |
| 09:29.34 | lawrence | can you share the docs? |
| 09:29.38 | lawrence | they would be useful |
| 09:29.41 | cybin | lawrence: where do i get the 'full set'? |
| 09:29.52 | mnemoc | http://service.i-onik.de/ ? |
| 09:29.58 | dongs | sure? they're fairly usless as far as I can tell. |
| 09:30.01 | lawrence | cybin - you purchase a dev board, ans they supply |
| 09:30.33 | lawrence | the ionik one is older than the baidu one |
| 09:30.38 | mnemoc | the $1000 USD pricetag is supposed to be because of support... |
| 09:30.42 | lawrence | as the baidu one has newer mali drivers |
| 09:30.56 | mnemoc | lawrence: what version? |
| 09:31.07 | lawrence | i did mention it to you before |
| 09:31.08 | cybin | lawrence: uhh.... k ;) |
| 09:31.15 | buZz | hey dongs :P |
| 09:31.32 | dongs | buZz: where arent you. |
| 09:31.33 | mnemoc | lawrence: i mean, what mali version does it include |
| 09:31.43 | buZz | dongs: no idea, i am not there |
| 09:32.13 | lawrence | i stuck the zip of those drivers up for you like a week ago |
| 09:32.14 | lawrence | http://dl.cubieforums.com/AllWinner_BSP/allwinner.30/ |
| 09:32.22 | lawrence | or you download the baidu link |
| 09:32.36 | dongs | lawrence: ^ csi stuff. probably fairly useless. |
| 09:32.45 | lawrence | docs are docs are docs |
| 09:32.46 | lawrence | more is good |
| 09:32.50 | buZz | cubieboard has a csi interface right? |
| 09:33.05 | dongs | well.. yeah. A10 has.. two of htem. |
| 09:33.07 | mnemoc | lawrence: ah, ok. thanks. had missed that |
| 09:33.09 | dongs | they're on pins on cubieboar.d |
| 09:33.10 | lawrence | @mnemoc - i didn't upload the whole set |
| 09:33.14 | lawrence | as its too large |
| 09:33.23 | lawrence | download off baidu |
| 09:33.50 | mnemoc | last time I tried baidu they wanted me to register and pay to download anything |
| 09:34.09 | lawrence | this is pan.baidu (the disk.baidu, not their docs bit) |
| 09:34.19 | lawrence | http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=252139&uk=1126778171 |
| 09:34.20 | mnemoc | we have r3p1 libs for armhf linux. we hare missing equivalent for android |
| 09:34.52 | lawrence | i didn't see it on the sunxi git when i looked |
| 09:35.22 | dongs | lawrence: did you see the url in /noticve? |
| 09:35.24 | mnemoc | the kernel is stuck at r3p0 because of the lack of r3p1 libs for android |
| 09:35.45 | lawrence | it disappeared, don't know how to see it again in this client |
| 09:36.12 | lawrence | it disappears too fast |
| 09:36.15 | lawrence | msg me |
| 09:36.16 | dongs | wtf |
| 09:36.29 | dongs | what a weird client doesnt do /notice |
| 09:36.40 | lawrence | colloquy |
| 09:37.00 | lawrence | pops up for like 2 seconds and disappears never to be seen again |
| 09:37.36 | dongs | loldongs. |
| 09:39.25 | mnemoc | wow, 750KBps from .cn |
| 09:39.52 | mnemoc | this pan.baidu.com is nice :) |
| 09:40.10 | lawrence | yup |
| 09:40.21 | lawrence | this release is via the waxberry guys |
| 09:40.52 | lawrence | http://wax-berry.taobao.com/?spm=2013.1.2-3174493131.1.NkRbf5 |
| 09:41.00 | lawrence | www.wax-berry.com |
| 09:41.10 | lawrence | clone key of the a10 hdmi keys |
| 09:41.55 | lawrence | pix here - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.17-3174493306.8.1T49DP&id=18519539007& |
| 09:42.05 | lawrence | and has sdk and bits n bobs supplied |
| 09:43.22 | mnemoc | looks identical to the mk802ii |
| 09:43.27 | lawrence | yup |
| 09:43.34 | lawrence | but, he did stick the bsp online in full |
| 09:43.37 | lawrence | which is decent of him |
| 09:43.42 | dongs | probably cloned in same garage |
| 09:43.59 | lawrence | garage ? |
| 09:44.03 | lawrence | we don't haz those |
| 09:45.10 | mnemoc | lawrence: yes, i'm very impressed they decided to publish the bsp |
| 09:45.21 | lawrence | cough, yes, cough |
| 09:45.46 | lawrence | i managed to find the link then backtrack to who put it up |
| 09:45.49 | mnemoc | it's not common to see that kind of "hacker" details on a taobao listing |
| 09:45.50 | lawrence | vs the other way around |
| 09:46.02 | lawrence | and he does look like he's actually competent |
| 09:46.12 | lawrence | as the pics and forum show someone with clue |
| 09:46.22 | lawrence | vs standard no idea person |
| 09:49.51 | mnemoc | btw, talking about hdmi sticks. when you have a some minutes, can you take another look at http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Alejandro_Mery/Lapdock and comment/suggest/veto ? I would like to move it to elinux.org |
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| 10:02.56 | cybin | lawrence: is there any documentation about the hdmi controller available? |
| 10:03.04 | Gumboot | I'm just wondering about my power failure the other day. I haven't checked the capacity of the USB output I'm using, but I do wonder whether it's that or these dodgy power cables I got an email about. |
| 10:03.35 | Gumboot | What's the range of failure modes on the bad cables? IF I can power up but I can't pass enough power through to an SSD to keep it operating reliably, is that probably a good cable? |
| 10:04.15 | Gumboot | I'm guessing that SSD is a bit of a problem in that it's going to have a very uneven current draw depending on whether or not it's writing. |
| 10:04.27 | Gumboot | And writing will come in much larger bursts than on an HD. |
| 10:05.51 | lawrence | i'm going to check if there isn't more info on the boxchip side |
| 10:06.02 | lawrence | as thast the previous soc vendor name for the a10 |
| 10:07.32 | dongs | heh |
| 10:20.51 | dongs | ok, gcc is worky |
| 10:21.38 | mnemoc | dongs: so you went for embedian, code sourcery, linaro, cross-ng, ... ? |
| 10:23.01 | dongs | the first. wiped the VM i had and installed whatever latest debian. |
| 10:24.59 | rellla | dongs: what host architecture? what debian? unstable? what toolchain? debian sid-packages for armhf-toolchain on i386 are broken here :( |
| 10:25.50 | dongs | rellla: 1st google hit for debian, installed x64, then http://romanrm.ru/en/a10/cross-compile-kernel |
| 10:27.34 | rellla | so its a i386 problem :(( i have a working emdebian toolchain on amd64-debian. |
| 10:38.56 | cybin | anyone know wether the pre-installed android has support for pulse-eight-cec-adapter? |
| 10:39.28 | lawrence | is it build into the 4.0.4 kernel for android driver wise? |
| 10:39.33 | lawrence | if not, no. |
| 10:58.31 | cybin | i'm going to try to build android. what i take from the discussion earlier, i'm gonna use ubuntu, install linaro's cross-toolchain, download the sources from linsunxi and give it a try? |
| 10:59.23 | dongs | lawrence: latest datasheet 1.20, only changes fro m1.1 is USB and audio crap. |
| 11:03.23 | dongs | hmm.. amybe i should just try it... |
| 11:03.58 | dongs | PCLK_CNT=188, INPUT_FMT=raw, ... enable capture |
| 11:04.03 | dongs | and see if anything useful shows up in fifo. |
| 11:04.04 | dongs | heh |
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| 11:22.31 | cybin | http://linux-sunxi.org/Android explains how to flash android. but how do i boot this from sdcard, instead? |
| 11:23.08 | mnemoc | google knows some posts about booting android from SD on a mele, also A10-based |
| 11:33.27 | cybin | mnemoc: thanks. didn't know that mele is also A10 based. :) |
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| 11:35.23 | mnemoc | they have several models (A1000, A100, A2000, A200, A3700, and the same ending with 'g' for 1GB of RAM), but all are basically the same |
| 11:37.21 | arete74 | cybin:http://tmerle.blogspot.it/2013/01/melehtpc20121220v13-enus-imgsdcard.html |
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| 11:38.40 | mnemoc | arete74: and instructions to make it? |
| 11:39.25 | mnemoc | ah, ok. they are there too |
| 11:39.31 | mnemoc | wiki anyone? :) |
| 11:40.16 | arete74 | mnemoc: is simple, i try an shell script for create sd partition, and replace init to boot to sd |
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| 12:09.51 | mnemoc | arete74: it's just my hate to blogs/forums as source for documentation :) |
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| 12:20.09 | jammi | I think a cubie-specific image would be a nice effort to make. especially something savvy enough of the expansion headers, providing high-level access to the gpio's |
| 12:21.10 | mnemoc | all the pins stuff is restricted to a single file, script.bin |
| 12:23.40 | buZz | jammi: go for it |
| 12:23.43 | buZz | cubian ? |
| 12:23.46 | buZz | :P |
| 12:23.59 | jammi | something debian-based would be neat, yes |
| 12:24.09 | buZz | of course |
| 12:24.23 | buZz | nobody is needing a gentoo or arch based one :P |
| 12:24.26 | mnemoc | one of the key features of allwinner-based boards is that the board specifics are minimal and well isolated |
| 12:27.48 | jammi | buZz: I might, but I'm fairly limited on time |
| 12:28.12 | jammi | also, I'd care more about getting haiku ported to a10 |
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| 12:29.33 | buZz | lol haiku |
| 12:29.46 | icCE | :D |
| 12:30.07 | jammi | https://www.haiku-os.org/ |
| 12:30.09 | buZz | jammi: could you maybe port OS/2 Warp aswell, while you're at it? :P |
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| 12:30.17 | jammi | why? |
| 12:30.28 | buZz | because it shares the usecases with haiku :P |
| 12:30.50 | jammi | how so? care to elaborate? |
| 12:30.55 | icCE | buZz I use gentoo on arm ^_^ |
| 12:31.10 | buZz | jammi: because its a fun 'tech demo' that nobody needs :P |
| 12:31.20 | buZz | icCE: on A10 arm? :) |
| 12:31.23 | icCE | yes |
| 12:31.25 | buZz | or on iMX6 |
| 12:31.30 | buZz | awww, poor you |
| 12:31.32 | jammi | modern linux is just too heavy to run well on devices like A10 imo |
| 12:31.40 | jammi | nowhere snappy enough |
| 12:31.47 | buZz | jammi: you are talking about X11 + gnome3 |
| 12:31.53 | buZz | which has not much todo with linux |
| 12:32.07 | icCE | buZz no, its good ! :) |
| 12:32.11 | buZz | hehe |
| 12:32.16 | buZz | icCE: try compiling gnuradio :P |
| 12:32.21 | buZz | takes FOREVER |
| 12:32.33 | buZz | i could compile 10 kernels within the same time |
| 12:32.36 | jammi | buZz: no, but that's even worse |
| 12:32.39 | buZz | and in the end, it didnt even work! |
| 12:32.50 | buZz | jammi: then i fail completely to see your argument |
| 12:33.02 | buZz | why does linux has no use on ARM exactly? |
| 12:33.19 | buZz | do you think they should remove linux from android and port it to windows CE? |
| 12:33.20 | icCE | buZz i use gcc-linaro |
| 12:33.27 | buZz | yes i use gcc aswell |
| 12:33.31 | icCE | buZz ccacshe and distcc |
| 12:33.34 | buZz | whats your point? |
| 12:33.40 | jammi | buZz: I didn't say that, but choosing between a lighter-weight os than linux and bare metal, I'd choose the lighter-weight os. |
| 12:33.41 | buZz | ah crosscompiling, cheat |
| 12:34.06 | icCE | buZz mini cluster of cubieboard |
| 12:34.07 | jammi | or should I say lighter-weight kernel |
| 12:34.16 | buZz | jammi: so, RiscOS? |
| 12:34.27 | jammi | lol, no. |
| 12:34.32 | buZz | icCE: how many cubieboards do you have? |
| 12:34.33 | icCE | buZz virtual machine ARM is very brake |
| 12:34.38 | icCE | buZz 5 |
| 12:34.44 | buZz | jammi: then why are you suggesting porting win32 code to ARM? |
| 12:34.52 | buZz | icCE: yes, very terrible |
| 12:34.53 | jammi | buZz: I'm not |
| 12:34.56 | buZz | soon it will get better |
| 12:35.07 | jammi | where did you pull win32 from? |
| 12:35.08 | buZz | jammi: haiku was developed for any other system than x86? |
| 12:35.13 | buZz | s/win32/x86 |
| 12:35.14 | buZz | lol |
| 12:35.17 | buZz | monday ;) |
| 12:35.31 | AndrevS | Haiku is being ported to ARM and other architectures |
| 12:35.36 | icCE | I'm working to build ubuntu 13.04 dev for cubieboard |
| 12:35.45 | jammi | buZz: yes, it's running on armv5 in qemu already |
| 12:35.55 | buZz | AndrevS: that doesnt mean its a good idea ;) |
| 12:36.12 | buZz | imho, last computer with a proper lightweight kernel; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800 |
| 12:36.14 | jammi | the rpi port is underway, but of course has issues with the binary-only shit required |
| 12:36.44 | mnemoc | icCE: what exactly are you building? you just need to extract their rootfs and inject the kernel files |
| 12:37.11 | buZz | probably recompiling ubuntu binaries as armhf? |
| 12:37.15 | jammi | it's built as a cross-platform and portable os |
| 12:37.27 | mnemoc | buZz: ubuntu is available as armhf |
| 12:37.32 | buZz | ah ok |
| 12:37.35 | buZz | then i have no clue :P |
| 12:37.39 | AndrevS | Besides, speaking about porting x86 code to ARM. THe Linux kernel started on x86 as well. |
| 12:37.48 | buZz | AndrevS: hehe |
| 12:37.58 | buZz | i am just provoking argument ;) |
| 12:38.04 | AndrevS | :P |
| 12:38.10 | buZz | but haiku, pfff |
| 12:38.11 | buZz | toy OS |
| 12:38.19 | jammi | the kernel and driver infra is neat, minimalistic and tidy, the build system builds the entire os and it's a very threading-savvy realtime os |
| 12:38.19 | buZz | it has near 0 usecases |
| 12:38.44 | jammi | and it has enough of apps to be usable |
| 12:38.45 | buZz | its like porting plan9 to A10 chip |
| 12:38.54 | AndrevS | plan9 .... |
| 12:38.57 | buZz | and then complaining that not enough ppl want to use your awesome OS |
| 12:38.59 | icCE | mnemoc I know. |
| 12:39.07 | AndrevS | I would consider using Haiku, but plan9.... nah |
| 12:39.09 | mnemoc | at least plan9 is blessed by the gods |
| 12:39.10 | jammi | not really |
| 12:39.26 | icCE | I do not like игшдв дштфкщ |
| 12:39.30 | icCE | sorry |
| 12:39.32 | buZz | wtf8 |
| 12:39.37 | jammi | plan9 has some great ideas, but it has more retarded than great ideas |
| 12:39.45 | buZz | same @ haiku |
| 12:39.49 | mnemoc | *g* |
| 12:40.20 | AndrevS | At least, on ARM it won't have the gcc2/gcc4 dual libraries issue to remain binary compatibility |
| 12:40.37 | Turl | someone should port Debian GNU/Hurd |
| 12:41.26 | AndrevS | And thinking about porting "win32"..... what about ReactOS? |
| 12:41.44 | mnemoc | reactos hardly runs on real x86 hardware |
| 12:41.56 | AndrevS | indeed.... |
| 12:42.01 | buZz | mnemoc: should be easy to port then :P |
| 12:42.08 | mnemoc | buZz: :) |
| 12:42.10 | AndrevS | It is a very good clone of Windows, the first thing they've cloned was the BSOD |
| 12:42.23 | jammi | buZz: I do think haiku would make a great desktop, realtime-programming and media-playing os on arm boards. on x86/x86_64, there's so much brute force that optimal code is not really as much worth it there |
| 12:42.54 | buZz | jammi: awesome, will you be answering all emails of clueless cubieboard users? |
| 12:43.06 | buZz | WHERE CAN I GET CHROMIUM FOR HAIKU |
| 12:43.14 | mnemoc | o.o |
| 12:43.20 | jammi | buZz: wat? |
| 12:43.21 | buZz | 1080P VIDEO NOT DECODING HAIKU |
| 12:43.33 | buZz | GPIO HAIKU NOT WORKING |
| 12:43.37 | mnemoc | what about releasing the shift key? |
| 12:43.46 | jammi | it's not different from clueless users on _any_ os |
| 12:43.48 | buZz | i did, its the cruisecontrol button |
| 12:43.48 | buZz | :P |
| 12:43.56 | mnemoc | :) |
| 12:44.13 | AndrevS | :P |
| 12:44.25 | buZz | oh man! |
| 12:44.26 | buZz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/28/the_oric_1_is_30_years_old/ |
| 12:44.33 | buZz | i have that computer, somewhere :D |
| 12:45.14 | mnemoc | i had something called "oric".... but it was a nintendo clone |
| 12:45.38 | jammi | buZz: also, your arguments are pretty much exactly the same as windows fanatics used about linux |
| 12:45.55 | jammi | linux, lol, toy os. it doesn't even have microsoft office |
| 12:45.57 | buZz | jammi: yeah isnt it wonderfull ? :D |
| 12:46.04 | buZz | microsoft has an office? |
| 12:46.05 | buZz | wow |
| 12:46.15 | buZz | is amazed they could afford such a thing |
| 12:46.18 | tinti | Does anyone have a RPI? And spare time? |
| 12:46.23 | AndrevS | Anyhow, the cubieboard, cubieboard with only serial connected, keeps running, with also network connected, freezes after a while, is this possible a power problem? |
| 12:46.33 | buZz | sure i have time tinti , its just 15 euro an hour |
| 12:46.46 | AndrevS | I've got two RPi's |
| 12:46.49 | cybin | tinti: first one, yes. second, not that much. :) |
| 12:46.49 | buZz | tinti: buzztiaan@gmail.com is my paypal, just send as much money as you would need me |
| 12:46.51 | Turl | AndrevS: sounds like one |
| 12:46.52 | tinti | buZz: wow free time please |
| 12:47.01 | buZz | yeah free time is 15 euros an hour :) |
| 12:47.21 | jammi | that's some cheap labour. china? |
| 12:47.36 | buZz | coalmines |
| 12:47.53 | tinti | kkk, serious guys sorry flooding the cubieboard for a Rpi question. But would those whom have it mind to try llvmlinux? |
| 12:48.24 | tinti | cybin: can you help me in testing a feature? |
| 12:48.51 | tinti | I am planning also to port cubieboard for it as soon as mine arrives! |
| 12:49.12 | jammi | even a shitty car mechanic makes four times more here |
| 12:49.45 | jammi | a good one, five-six times more an hour |
| 12:49.56 | cybin | tinti: probably later in the afternoon. |
| 12:50.13 | jammi | and that's basically where software developer billing starts, with practically no upper limit |
| 12:50.23 | tinti | thanks cybin I call you. But it takes time and disk space :S |
| 12:51.30 | cybin | tinti: uhhh...give me a hint. how much? |
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| 12:52.14 | tinti | By the way has anyone tried KGDB on cubieboard? I have succeeded on Pi and I think is the same thing: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/llvmlinux/2013-January/000122.html |
| 12:52.16 | buZz | jammi: yeah, i dont work towards my energy ;) |
| 12:52.24 | Turl | I'd be happy with 15eur/h assuming all 8h/day, 5 days a week were paid :P |
| 12:52.37 | tinti | cybin: well kind of 6 Gb and 1 hour |
| 12:52.58 | tinti | it needs to download whole kernel/clang/llvm because it compiles from scratch |
| 12:54.04 | cybin | tinti: k. i'll tell you later, when i'm ready for that |
| 12:54.11 | tinti | thanks |
| 12:54.30 | tinti | buZz: I want a job that pays me 15/h kkk! |
| 12:55.33 | buZz | you want to work at the kkk? |
| 12:55.43 | jammi | so, it seems I've struck a goldmine of cheap labour here. what are your skills? |
| 12:56.26 | mnemoc | jammi: where are you located? |
| 12:56.48 | jammi | I could do the outsourcing trick and just browse reddit instead of working from thereon |
| 12:57.06 | jammi | mnemoc: finland |
| 12:57.22 | tinti | buZz: kkk means lol for me :S sorry |
| 12:58.06 | buZz | tinti: LOL |
| 12:58.25 | buZz | tinti: i can imagine some ppl find it fun to be part of the kkk |
| 12:58.27 | jammi | KKK means a mid-side grocery store brand here |
| 12:58.52 | buZz | do they wear white hats? |
| 12:59.04 | cybin | lol |
| 12:59.05 | AndrevS | lol |
| 12:59.47 | jammi | the store company is Kesko, and their stores are from one to five K's depending on size. five K's mean super/hypermarket |
| 13:00.18 | jammi | one K is basically a kiosk |
| 13:00.53 | jammi | http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1229/1285796320_b2cba030e9.jpg |
| 13:02.40 | buZz | and what is their opinion towards islam? |
| 13:03.23 | jammi | I don't think they have political opinions besides tax-related stuff |
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| 13:07.49 | AndrevS | Here in the Netherlands, we have a super marked Albert Heyn, abbreviated AH |
| 13:10.45 | buZz | ah |
| 13:10.54 | buZz | if it aint dutch, it aint much |
| 13:11.00 | Turl | tinti: are you from brazil? :) |
| 13:11.24 | tinti | Yes I am, precisely Belo Horizonte city :) |
| 13:15.15 | Turl | tinti: I'm from Argentina :) |
| 13:16.23 | tinti | Turl: Nice, so close, I have never been there. Want to go for skying and know the country :) |
| 13:29.52 | dongs | haeuehaueuuahuhaehuaehuhueahuauhehauhuhuHUAEhuauehhuahuhaUEhah |
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| 14:03.13 | buZz | sooo |
| 14:03.16 | buZz | ROHS2 ! |
| 14:03.18 | buZz | exciting |
| 14:03.28 | buZz | is cubieboard RoHS2 compliant? :P |
| 14:03.43 | Baikonur | what does rohs2 specify |
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| 14:04.34 | buZz | http://www.element14.com/community/community/legislation/europe/rohs?view=overview?CMP=EMC-Newsletter-jan13-rohs2 |
| 14:04.46 | buZz | http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-51531/l/rohs2-compliance-ebook-jan-2013pdf |
| 14:04.49 | buZz | is better |
| 14:04.55 | Baikonur | thanks |
| 14:05.33 | jammi | http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/pdf/faq.pdf |
| 14:05.44 | Baikonur | buZz: wants you to login |
| 14:06.01 | buZz | ok |
| 14:06.35 | dongs | new rohs spam? |
| 14:06.48 | dongs | even LESS lead now? |
| 14:07.00 | buZz | asbest is now illegal to use aswell |
| 14:08.07 | dongs | buZz: clicked on e14 link, used chrome'w 'remove element 'extention' to get rid of the shitty login box + gray background, bingo, clicked download button and leeched. |
| 14:08.14 | dongs | http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadBody/51531-102-1-264364/RoHS2%20Compliance%20eBook%20Jan%202013.pdf |
| 14:08.24 | buZz | yeah i didnt have to login either |
| 14:08.35 | dongs | well, im sure you ahve an accoutn there. |
| 14:08.56 | buZz | probably |
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| 14:17.33 | jammi | http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20130125153212_Qualcomm_Set_to_Develop_Server_ARM_Based_System_on_Chips.html |
| 14:40.13 | buZz | oh man |
| 14:40.22 | buZz | graphical designers are hilarious |
| 14:40.29 | buZz | i just got sent a 'vector logo'! |
| 14:40.36 | buZz | 'this one is really vector!!! |
| 14:40.40 | buZz | .gif |
| 14:40.43 | buZz | :D |
| 14:42.04 | Turl | lol |
| 14:47.00 | buZz | hahaha ok |
| 14:47.26 | buZz | seems the graphic designer (with over 10 years of experience) only THIS DAY learned FROM ME wtf a vector file is ... |
| 14:47.29 | buZz | man |
| 14:47.31 | buZz | this world is bizar |
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| 15:14.16 | jammi | regarding vector graphics, a customer learned vector graphics actually have to be rasterized to be rendered |
| 15:15.04 | jammi | and thus, always slower than already rasterized graphics |
| 15:15.49 | jammi | he had some strange ideas about computer graphics overall |
| 15:17.03 | jammi | there's also been many cases of "I programmed so long ago, that C++ didn't exist yet, I only went from C to C+" |
| 15:17.20 | Turl | C+? o.O |
| 15:17.34 | jammi | also, those have obviously never written anything and have no idea about how code works |
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| 15:18.32 | jammi | Turl: yeah, people who think it's some kind of versioning of C -> C+ -> C++ -> Java or something like that |
| 15:18.42 | Turl | heh |
| 15:18.53 | Turl | the positive side of vector graphics is that they're lighter |
| 15:19.14 | Turl | so you require less bandwidth |
| 15:20.01 | jammi | no, not always |
| 15:20.09 | jammi | only for simple shapes |
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| 15:26.23 | Workboot | Some people still do proper vector graphics out their soundcards. |
| 15:27.48 | Workboot | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1eNjUgaB-g |
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| 15:29.36 | jammi | yeah, oscilloscopes were used as early computer monitors |
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| 15:30.58 | jammi | not that much of a difference between a classic oscilloscope and a crt display either |
| 15:34.22 | lawrence | i had oric atmos |
| 15:34.24 | lawrence | the orange one |
| 15:34.33 | lawrence | decent sound for the day |
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| 15:41.06 | Workboot | What were the recommendations for a cross-compiler toolchain after all that? |
| 15:41.11 | Workboot | I usually use Linaro, but they seem to be 32-bit. |
| 15:41.50 | mnemoc | if you run ubuntu, apt-get install will give you the right one for your host |
| 15:52.12 | jammi | Workboot: http://www.linusakesson.net/scene/craft/ |
| 15:55.02 | mnemoc | https://plus.google.com/u/0/106001283410043650294/posts/LMFfjaiYxcw <--- nice update about the baseboard |
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| 15:57.05 | lawrence | you didnt know you could power up via headers? |
| 15:57.12 | pirea_ | hy |
| 15:57.36 | pirea_ | can help me someboody to build an sdcard image with linux for cubieboard? |
| 15:57.38 | lawrence | i've already done that by accident on the first day i had miner |
| 15:57.51 | mnemoc | lawrence: but is it... safe? |
| 15:57.53 | Workboot | I need a tarball because this build environment uses chroot for some reason. |
| 15:58.03 | Workboot | Probably has to be static, too. |
| 15:58.35 | lawrence | @pirea_ http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php?topic=20.0 |
| 15:58.41 | mnemoc | pirea_: images are evil. tar it up |
| 15:59.05 | mnemoc | (with /dev and /sys unmounted obviusly) |
| 15:59.13 | lawrence | mmemoc - i see a dentist and dustin hoffman when you say that |
| 15:59.25 | mnemoc | lawrence: :D |
| 16:00.21 | mnemoc | lawrence: btw, http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/amery/sunxi-3.0 is sunxi-3.0, while testing-3.0/testing-3.4 are made from the stage branches |
| 16:01.16 | pirea_ | mnemoc what is here http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/amery/sunxi-3.0/20130114-2310/? |
| 16:01.19 | mnemoc | but never really expected people to use them... their .config sucks |
| 16:01.40 | mnemoc | pirea_: a build of sunxi-3.0 at that date |
| 16:01.50 | mnemoc | + u-boot-sunxi + script.bin |
| 16:01.50 | pirea_ | kernel? |
| 16:02.11 | mnemoc | hwpacks also include closed libs |
| 16:02.49 | mnemoc | sunxi-bsp has an script to turn those (and a rootfs tarball) into a bootable card |
| 16:03.00 | mnemoc | bye :| |
| 16:03.09 | lawrence | and he's gone |
| 16:03.27 | lawrence | so long and thanks for all the fish |
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| 16:03.48 | pirea_ | somebody says: "cubieboard is open" :| |
| 16:04.44 | mnemoc | lawrence: btw, sunxi-media-create.sh has a fixed version of the sfdisk partitioning call you mention in the post |
| 16:05.33 | mnemoc | pirea_: it's not open hardware, but it's on a pretty good place in openness compared to the other dev boards |
| 16:05.57 | pirea_ | what is not opened on cubieboard? |
| 16:06.19 | lawrence | gfx libs and hardware video decoder |
| 16:06.51 | mnemoc | the 2D accelerator is fully open |
| 16:07.08 | mnemoc | hopefully ssvb will use it in his xorg driver soon |
| 16:07.19 | lawrence | someone implemented it yet? |
| 16:08.01 | mnemoc | there is client code implemented in buildroot's directfb (on top of vmware's driver) |
| 16:08.26 | mnemoc | and the leaked "user manual" has it pretty well documented |
| 16:08.41 | mnemoc | compared to the rest of the IPs of the A10 |
| 16:09.32 | lawrence | i haven't go the ssvb version running on mine |
| 16:09.39 | lawrence | didn't spent a lot of time on it yet though |
| 16:09.43 | lawrence | can't get x started |
| 16:09.47 | mnemoc | ouch |
| 16:09.58 | mnemoc | haven't tried it myself either |
| 16:10.04 | lawrence | i can with plain fb though |
| 16:10.09 | lawrence | but thats dog slow |
| 16:10.57 | lawrence | i put my unfinished setup notes up, maybe you can give me a look/advice |
| 16:11.00 | lawrence | hang onski |
| 16:11.01 | mnemoc | mali doesn't do 2D, but at least relieves the burden from the cpu |
| 16:11.51 | lawrence | i know that |
| 16:12.00 | lawrence | i do read the code and list |
| 16:12.10 | mnemoc | :D |
| 16:12.20 | lawrence | ssvb was talking about integrating though |
| 16:13.18 | lawrence | i'm not a big fan of the dri2 + this + that + + + |
| 16:13.25 | lawrence | i like simple fb myself. |
| 16:13.38 | AndrevS | I still have to take a look at my X config. I got some X started (xf86-video-mali, has some issues with the PKGBUILD) but I have some ABI conflicts now. I am planning to look at ssvb's xf86-video-sunxifb later. |
| 16:14.07 | lawrence | i have it built, but i can't start x |
| 16:14.12 | lawrence | probably my config though |
| 16:14.20 | AndrevS | Yes, the config... uhm.... |
| 16:14.24 | lawrence | stuck that here - http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,30.0.html |
| 16:14.31 | lawrence | as his config is not documented at all |
| 16:14.34 | lawrence | so i'm guessing |
| 16:14.50 | lawrence | and i don't really do X usually, so i'm swimming in uncharted waters |
| 16:15.14 | lawrence | eg identifier, do i make that up, or is it from the driver internals or... |
| 16:15.30 | lawrence | the option values are from his code, so should be ok |
| 16:16.08 | lawrence | also, there is a mesa patch for removing that specific stuff from the utils/glmark bits, not sure i should apply or not either |
| 16:16.17 | lawrence | i should probably hassle dimitry |
| 16:17.02 | AndrevS | I have used the xorg.conf as described in http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/Compile_X11_driver_for_A10/ |
| 16:17.19 | lawrence | yes, i have that one ok |
| 16:17.25 | lawrence | but i'm trying to get the fb one going |
| 16:17.29 | lawrence | ssvb's one |
| 16:17.33 | AndrevS | ok i see |
| 16:17.44 | lawrence | so i can document it |
| 16:17.50 | lawrence | and then move onto other more fun items |
| 16:18.02 | AndrevS | yeah ok, awesome. I was still planning to look at it. |
| 16:18.18 | lawrence | also, mnemoc - dimitry says that 3.0x mali is buggy crud |
| 16:18.26 | lawrence | and he sticks to the 2.x series |
| 16:18.43 | lawrence | is that only relevant to the exyonos code or for us too? |
| 16:19.14 | lawrence | (r2 vs r3 mali libs) |
| 16:19.16 | mnemoc | lawrence: rz2k knows better than I that stuff |
| 16:19.26 | lawrence | rz2k is dimitry, right? |
| 16:19.48 | mnemoc | from what I know mali r2 is ancient legacy intended for ~2.6.37 |
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| 16:20.11 | mnemoc | lawrence: ah, that dimitry |
| 16:20.19 | lawrence | in his exyonos page he writes about sticking to r2 as r3 is buggy |
| 16:20.31 | lawrence | i'm not sure he means on exyonos or in general |
| 16:20.41 | mnemoc | probably exynos |
| 16:20.44 | lawrence | k |
| 16:20.58 | mnemoc | i've never heard similar comments against r3 @ sunxi |
| 16:21.02 | lawrence | thats one of the reasons i hadn't spent time on it, as i was waiting for others to do more work |
| 16:21.09 | lawrence | as i'm sheer lazy sometimes for stuff |
| 16:23.27 | lawrence | someone said they were looking at making a KMS based x11 driver |
| 16:27.30 | lawrence | and for once i have some good news |
| 16:27.39 | lawrence | i just found my missing microsd card! |
| 16:27.39 | mnemoc | the idea was to refactor the current sunxi-disp driver into kms, not to reimplement |
| 16:32.37 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 16:32.40 | SquirrelCZECH | hmm |
| 16:32.44 | SquirrelCZECH | as I think about it |
| 16:33.00 | SquirrelCZECH | instead of using usb webcam, the ip camera (rj45) should be better solution |
| 16:33.23 | lawrence | i have some mild experience in ipcam |
| 16:33.24 | SquirrelCZECH | you know, is just gonna act se router... |
| 16:33.26 | lawrence | :) |
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| 16:37.52 | SquirrelCZECH | hmm |
| 16:38.30 | SquirrelCZECH | but my conclusion, that it should be less difficult for cubie, is right? |
| 16:47.31 | AndrevS | got to go, ttyl |
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| 17:08.23 | pirea_ | i had make the sd card image |
| 17:08.29 | pirea_ | but cubieboard boot from |
| 17:08.48 | pirea_ | nand flash |
| 17:09.04 | pirea_ | what i must to do to boot from sd card? |
| 17:10.06 | pirea_ | lawrence mkimage is from package named uboot-mkimage? |
| 17:10.38 | lawrence | yes |
| 17:11.01 | pirea_ | so..why doesn't boot from sd card? |
| 17:11.21 | lawrence | did you write the uboot.bin and spl bits from the nightly to card also? |
| 17:11.31 | lawrence | do you have serial? plug in and check whats happening on boot |
| 17:11.50 | pirea_ | i don't have serial |
| 17:11.56 | pirea_ | and no hdmi screen |
| 17:11.56 | pirea_ | :| |
| 17:12.24 | pirea_ | where i must write uboot.bin and spl |
| 17:12.25 | pirea_ | ? |
| 17:13.10 | pirea_ | ok |
| 17:13.26 | pirea_ | i found sunxi-spl.bin and u-boot.bin |
| 17:13.46 | pirea_ | where i must write this files? |
| 17:14.50 | lawrence | maybe try read what i wrote or the wiki |
| 17:15.00 | pirea_ | okey |
| 17:15.12 | lawrence | http://www.cubieforums.com/index.php/topic,20.0.html |
| 17:15.15 | lawrence | read |
| 17:15.27 | lawrence | you can also use the sunxi tools to make an image |
| 17:15.34 | lawrence | or berryboot if you like that |
| 17:15.40 | lawrence | how are you getting display at moment? |
| 17:16.11 | pirea_ | i found :) |
| 17:16.35 | pirea_ | nope |
| 17:19.21 | lawrence | oh, mnemoc - i thought about hardware rotation |
| 17:19.55 | lawrence | if we do use a driver board we could do that in the display itself (assuming driver chip has hardware rotation, and we can tell it to do so via a gpio line) |
| 17:20.12 | lawrence | eg that chip we found with small 8k rom |
| 17:20.18 | lawrence | that would make that happen |
| 17:20.37 | pirea_ | lawrence https://github.com/linux-sunxi/u-boot-sunxi/wiki |
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| 17:21.38 | mnemoc | lawrence: i thought the unavailabity of eDP 10" panels had trashed the "tabdock" idea |
| 17:21.39 | lawrence | yup, i am aware of that page |
| 17:21.55 | lawrence | i never trashed that idae |
| 17:22.03 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:22.15 | lawrence | i was thinking over that in my sleep last night |
| 17:22.21 | lawrence | and woke up with the duh answer |
| 17:22.31 | mnemoc | i also thought you don't sleep :p |
| 17:22.33 | lawrence | of course, that means we do need a lcd driver board in there |
| 17:22.38 | lawrence | apparently not |
| 17:23.03 | lawrence | i sleep wierd hours |
| 17:23.18 | lawrence | i slept from like 6:30 to 11 tonight |
| 17:23.22 | lawrence | and now i'm awake again |
| 17:23.28 | mnemoc | not sure if the sticks will like to get the resolution suddely inverted |
| 17:24.48 | lawrence | they wouldn't know |
| 17:24.58 | lawrence | we'd try do it on the lcd driver side |
| 17:25.28 | lawrence | assuming lcd driver chipset does hardware rotation and has some small size flash we can use to read a gpio and code that |
| 17:26.08 | SquirrelCZECH | :-) |
| 17:26.14 | SquirrelCZECH | that would be great! :-) |
| 17:26.44 | lawrence | lots of assuming here, but would be possible that way |
| 17:27.04 | lawrence | as thats probably how rotational screens do it for vga |
| 17:27.25 | lawrence | as vga doesn't talk back (too much) |
| 17:27.30 | mnemoc | btw, I was just trying to convince (apparently with success) the cubiebase guy to get involved in the oshw board design |
| 17:27.40 | lawrence | george |
| 17:27.45 | mnemoc | yes |
| 17:27.55 | lawrence | yup, he looks competent for the hardware side |
| 17:28.00 | lawrence | the software side he's a bit green |
| 17:28.04 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:28.12 | mnemoc | no one is an expert on every field ;-) |
| 17:28.54 | lawrence | true |
| 17:29.02 | lawrence | i'm still struggling with X11 here |
| 17:29.08 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:29.13 | lawrence | i have kernel mali, udm etc |
| 17:29.30 | lawrence | i think i have a ssvb conf that should work but its not loading it |
| 17:29.39 | lawrence | gonna redo the mali-libs just in case its that |
| 17:29.44 | mnemoc | by "lcd driver" you mean the thing inside the panel? |
| 17:29.51 | pirea_ | lawrance i have write u-boot.img and sunxi-spl.bin but doesn't boot. |
| 17:30.07 | SquirrelCZECH | hmm |
| 17:30.07 | lawrence | panels don't have driver boards |
| 17:30.18 | SquirrelCZECH | nah |
| 17:30.28 | SquirrelCZECH | why is always my tobuy list so long? |
| 17:30.36 | lawrence | driver board is not really needed for eDP but there are to do convert from X -> dp so we can use eg that 7808 one |
| 17:30.43 | lawrence | or we just do lvds |
| 17:31.03 | lawrence | then a realtek or novatek or similiar cheap n nasty lcd driver chipset |
| 17:31.10 | mnemoc | but the sexy 11.6/13.3 panels are eDP :) |
| 17:31.17 | lawrence | and those are cheap |
| 17:31.22 | mnemoc | which is key |
| 17:31.25 | lawrence | vs lvds ones in that res being like double |
| 17:31.37 | lawrence | which is why i keep looking at it and going, eDP!! |
| 17:31.51 | SquirrelCZECH | would like tohelp |
| 17:31.54 | SquirrelCZECH | but :-/ |
| 17:32.03 | SquirrelCZECH | I can send you a smile |
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| 17:32.40 | lawrence | we have plenty of time for planning still |
| 17:32.46 | lawrence | nothing will get done till > cny |
| 17:32.51 | lawrence | in the physical sense |
| 17:33.20 | SquirrelCZECH | cny? |
| 17:33.20 | lawrence | prep work and choosing what we need and getting george to design out a pcb using whatever we go with could be done in interim |
| 17:33.25 | lawrence | chinese. |
| 17:33.26 | lawrence | new. |
| 17:33.27 | lawrence | year. |
| 17:33.30 | SquirrelCZECH | oh |
| 17:33.31 | SquirrelCZECH | ok :D |
| 17:33.54 | mnemoc | if we focus in the 11.6 lapdock, once a suitable 10" eDP panel comes out it should be easy to adopt and get the tabdock :) |
| 17:34.07 | lawrence | and no change to hardware pcb |
| 17:34.07 | SquirrelCZECH | true to that one :-) |
| 17:34.11 | lawrence | just drop in new panel |
| 17:34.15 | lawrence | and diff chassis |
| 17:34.26 | lawrence | 1 design to rule them all ;) |
| 17:34.30 | mnemoc | exactly |
| 17:34.35 | lawrence | er ring |
| 17:34.54 | SquirrelCZECH | was thinking about how to make tablet with cubie as base :-) |
| 17:35.04 | lawrence | just buy one |
| 17:35.15 | lawrence | about 500rmb for bazillion of them |
| 17:35.36 | lawrence | ok, so i'm still banging head against x11 |
| 17:36.11 | mnemoc | in generic people seems pretty happy following http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400 |
| 17:36.17 | lawrence | glxinfo says, direct rendering yes |
| 17:36.22 | lawrence | vendor string SGI |
| 17:36.32 | lawrence | and Mesa Project / SGI |
| 17:36.39 | lawrence | so i know its not picking up the mali libs |
| 17:36.56 | lawrence | in my xorg logs |
| 17:37.04 | mnemoc | poke techn on #arm-netbook |
| 17:37.09 | lawrence | i see sunxifb using /dev/fb0 |
| 17:37.30 | mnemoc | ah, this is with ssvb's driver? |
| 17:37.36 | lawrence | yes |
| 17:37.41 | lawrence | loads the shadow framebuffer |
| 17:37.49 | lawrence | ah, backing store disabled. |
| 17:38.11 | lawrence | i think i need to check my fex, maybe i disabled my second display fb.. |
| 17:38.26 | lawrence | post that, a bazillion FBIOPUTCMAP errors |
| 17:38.43 | lawrence | then DPMS enabled, and using hardware cursor |
| 17:39.02 | lawrence | it looks okish |
| 17:39.09 | lawrence | but wtf doesn't glxinfo show it... |
| 17:39.27 | lawrence | i do have AIGLX:screen 0 is not dri capable |
| 17:39.33 | lawrence | anything with that i'm missing? |
| 17:40.26 | lawrence | and i still only get 30fps in glxgears (obviously as glxinfo no haz mali driver) |
| 17:42.57 | mnemoc | libv (the lima project guy), hansg and techn are the experts on that stuff, and they are in #arm-netbook :| |
| 17:42.57 | lawrence | gonna remove the mesa drivers, and see |
| 17:44.37 | ssvb | lawrence: you need eglgears or glmark2-es2 or something like this to make use of mali drivers |
| 17:45.19 | lawrence | how do i know its in there? |
| 17:45.47 | lawrence | referring to x11 using your ssvb xf86-video-sunxifb |
| 17:46.37 | lawrence | i see logs for it in Xorg.0.log |
| 17:46.46 | mnemoc | wb ssvb ;-) |
| 17:47.02 | lawrence | normal to sell lots of SUNXIFB(0): FBIOPUTCMAP errors? |
| 17:47.09 | lawrence | like 3 or 4 pages worth |
| 17:47.16 | ssvb | well, if you see the desktop up and running, and also Xorg.0.log says that all the acceleration bits are enabled, then it should be fine |
| 17:47.50 | lawrence | i'm seeing slow rendering |
| 17:47.59 | lawrence | and nothing about happy fun time with ssvb driver |
| 17:48.09 | lawrence | although it is loading, as i'm seeing it do the conf |
| 17:48.32 | lawrence | i also see AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable. and same for DRI |
| 17:48.36 | lawrence | that the issue? |
| 17:48.47 | ssvb | FBIOPUTCMAP is the problem is likely caused by the sunxi disp kernel driver returning errors, it's the same for all x11 drivers |
| 17:49.06 | lawrence | GLX: initialized DRISWRAST GL provider |
| 17:49.16 | lawrence | so its not using the sunxifb one i presume |
| 17:49.24 | ssvb | AIGLX is the desktop OpenGL thing, it's not going to be accelerated anyway |
| 17:49.58 | ssvb | GLX is the full blown desktop OpenGL, you have too high expectations from this hardware :) |
| 17:50.10 | lawrence | no, i don't usually do desktop gui's |
| 17:50.15 | lawrence | i have zero experience in X11 |
| 17:50.21 | lawrence | expect for swearing at it |
| 17:50.41 | ssvb | if you want to have 3D acceleration, you need to get some applications optimized for OpenGL ES |
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| 17:51.04 | lawrence | i see that dimitry was getting 150fps for glxgears |
| 17:51.09 | lawrence | i'm getting 30fps |
| 17:51.15 | lawrence | so there must be something wronf |
| 17:51.18 | lawrence | with my config |
| 17:51.56 | GeorgeIoak | hey lawrence, up late, eh?! |
| 17:52.02 | lawrence | always |
| 17:52.07 | lawrence | you never added me on skype |
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| 17:52.21 | ssvb | lawrence: rz2k was getting these FPS numbers for eglgears, EGL is not the same as GLX |
| 17:52.37 | pirea | lawrance http://dl.cubieforums.com/CubieBoard%20Tools/software/buildroot/ is image for sd card or nand flash? |
| 17:52.54 | GeorgeIoak | i need to do that, i was getting so much spam that i don't load skype by default anymore. i've got a million hot babe requests if you're lonely though... |
| 17:53.13 | lawrence | i can't do gchat here |
| 17:53.17 | lawrence | google is pretty crap in china |
| 17:53.20 | lawrence | barely works |
| 17:53.32 | GeorgeIoak | yeah, you guys are crippled with some stuff like that |
| 17:53.33 | ssvb | lawrence: basically EGL = hardware acceleration, GLX = software emulation |
| 17:53.45 | ssvb | lawrence: on this hardware at least |
| 17:54.13 | lawrence | so i should go back tot the xf86-video-mali then ? |
| 17:54.32 | GeorgeIoak | last night i got LVDS working on the baseboard and have the system boot up into the linaro desktop on the LCD panel |
| 17:54.35 | lawrence | i just feel like its not working so i'm not seeing it working rather than otherwise |
| 17:54.40 | ssvb | lawrence: you will get the same results with xf86-video-mali for glxgears |
| 17:54.56 | lawrence | 30fps? |
| 17:54.59 | ssvb | lawrence: you need to get eglgears instead of glxgears |
| 17:55.06 | lawrence | thats what i'm getting right now |
| 17:55.16 | lawrence | and in the wiki i see 150fps |
| 17:55.38 | lawrence | and i'm not seeing e2s_info load the driver either, so… |
| 17:55.40 | ssvb | eglgears = 150fps, glxgears = 30fps :) |
| 17:55.58 | ssvb | do you see the difference? |
| 17:56.19 | lawrence | no, i'm not getting that |
| 17:56.28 | lawrence | otherwise i wouldn't be complaining |
| 17:56.53 | ssvb | different things are running at different speeds |
| 17:56.56 | lawrence | i have chmod 777'd the mali and ump devices |
| 17:57.05 | lawrence | i am running at 1008 bogomips |
| 17:57.11 | ssvb | you are deliberately testing the *slow* thing |
| 17:57.14 | lawrence | i'm just not seeing similar to the other guys |
| 17:57.27 | lawrence | the "fast" thing isn't working fast either for me |
| 17:57.32 | lawrence | eglgears is 30fps also |
| 17:57.36 | lawrence | capiche |
| 17:57.45 | ssvb | then it's a real problem |
| 17:57.47 | lawrence | so, what am i doing wrong is the question |
| 17:58.32 | ssvb | can you pastebin your Xorg.0.log ? |
| 17:58.35 | lawrence | no offense to you there when i say capiche |
| 17:58.52 | lawrence | no pastebin |
| 17:58.53 | r4v5 | GeorgeIoak: are there any ways to access the i2s pins from the baseboard? |
| 17:59.16 | mnemoc | the baseboard can't expose more than the cubie itself... |
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| 17:59.44 | r4v5 | and the cubie doesn't expose 'em? |
| 17:59.48 | mnemoc | nope |
| 17:59.52 | r4v5 | rats |
| 17:59.56 | mnemoc | next gen will |
| 18:00.06 | mnemoc | they'll add extra headers |
| 18:00.16 | r4v5 | well then I guess I'll have to get THAT too :P |
| 18:00.19 | lawrence | i think its probably the DRI2 bits |
| 18:00.26 | lawrence | as thats -> MALI |
| 18:00.45 | lawrence | and i don't see it picking it up |
| 18:01.04 | mnemoc | r4v5: :) |
| 18:01.15 | ssvb | lawrence: do you see "SUNXIFB(0): enabled display controller hardware overlays for DRI2" and "SUNXIFB(0): using DRI2 integration for Mali GPU (UMP buffers)" in your Xorg.0.log ? |
| 18:01.21 | lawrence | no |
| 18:01.27 | lawrence | thats the issue |
| 18:01.49 | lawrence | and i have pulled in mali-libs and make x11, headers |
| 18:02.00 | ssvb | do you see any error messages (other than FBIOPUTCMAP)? |
| 18:03.00 | ssvb | does running "lsmod" command list mali, mali_drm and ump kernel modules? |
| 18:03.12 | lawrence | yes |
| 18:03.15 | lawrence | (lsmod) |
| 18:03.49 | lawrence | lemme copy my xorg.conf over to somewhere i can paste hang onski |
| 18:04.22 | lawrence | thx for your time to help on this |
| 18:04.30 | ssvb | np |
| 18:05.19 | GeorgeIoak | @r4v5, unfortunately the cubieboard did not bring out the I2S pins to their header. my baseboard has all of the header pins available on 0.100" headers |
| 18:05.25 | SquirrelCZECH | great guys :-) |
| 18:07.07 | GeorgeIoak | @lawrence are you referring to playing standard video files (MP4, h.264) or OpenGL stuff? |
| 18:07.28 | lawrence | X + MALI with ssvb's drivers |
| 18:07.51 | MrCurious | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.19 | mnemoc | MrCurious: sunxi-boards repo |
| 18:08.40 | mnemoc | nothing in the kernel tree is board specific |
| 18:08.43 | MrCurious | i cloned this one git://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi.git |
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| 18:09.44 | GeorgeIoak | sorry to jump in, but what's ssvb'd drivers do, H/W acceleration??!! |
| 18:09.49 | sky770 | anyone posts some ubuntu on cubieboard performance videos pls |
| 18:10.22 | mnemoc | MrCurious: clone git://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-boards.git too |
| 18:10.34 | sky770 | hey mnemoc :) |
| 18:10.46 | mnemoc | hi sky770 |
| 18:12.30 | MrCurious | ty |
| 18:12.45 | lawrence | @ssvb http://forum.retrosticks.com/index.php/topic,47.0.html |
| 18:15.27 | ssvb | lawrence: when you compiled xf86-video-sunxifb, did it detect libUMP library? |
| 18:15.59 | lawrence | it did |
| 18:16.23 | lawrence | but checking it now, I see undefined reference to pthread_mutexattr_settype |
| 18:16.29 | lawrence | and some other mutex's |
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| 18:17.34 | lawrence | i think i clear out the libUMP.so and rebuild from mali_libs in case it didn't overwrite previously |
| 18:18.28 | ssvb | when you run autogen.sh from xf86-video-sunxifb, did it report "checking for ump_open in -lUMP... yes" as one of the lines? |
| 18:19.16 | ssvb | because if it did not, then it just compiled basically as fbdev with the hardware cursor as the only bonus |
| 18:19.17 | lawrence | first off, what mali lib / ump you recommend i use for the ssvb |
| 18:19.29 | ssvb | r3p0 |
| 18:20.19 | ssvb | that's what is compiled in the kernel (sunxi-3.0 and sunxi-3.4), and the userland libraries need to have the same version |
| 18:21.13 | lawrence | yup |
| 18:21.21 | lawrence | i think its the libump thats the issue |
| 18:21.25 | lawrence | as that seems to be it |
| 18:21.41 | lawrence | as what i'm seeing is essentially what you just said |
| 18:21.42 | lawrence | thx |
| 18:21.48 | lawrence | thats enough for me to fix up and fix i thin |
| 18:21.51 | lawrence | k |
| 18:22.06 | GeorgeIoak | I got a decent kernel/rootfs working last night and I want to move it from the SD card to NAND. It's based on linaro-precise-ubuntu-desktop-20121124-560.tar.gz and i slightly modified the kernel to get LVDS and hopefully touch working |
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| 18:28.36 | lawrence | ok, got my libump bits recompiled, and rechecking |
| 18:28.56 | lawrence | says happy happy for -lUMP so hopefully this finally works |
| 18:31.17 | lawrence | hmm, nope |
| 18:31.24 | lawrence | still not |
| 18:33.16 | sky770 | @lawrene I suppose you can get hold of hiSilicon's bsp or even more cool..get hold of/pull out some info on Huawei's MediaQ m810 set top box :) |
| 18:33.52 | lawrence | which ones are we interested in bsp wise |
| 18:33.58 | lawrence | specifically chips |
| 18:34.01 | sky770 | its got a quad core HiSilicon's SoC +2Gigs RAM, sata, usb 2.0+3.0, ethernet, wifi n |
| 18:34.27 | sky770 | dunno know the exact model for this SoC but yeahh its got in a vivante gc4000 |
| 18:34.29 | sky770 | :D |
| 18:35.22 | sky770 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.26 | lawrence | getting closer, its actually trying to load mali now |
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| 18:47.00 | lawrence | need to symlink in libdri2.so.1 -> libdri2.so i think though, as now mali whining about missing libs |
| 18:59.40 | cybin | tinti: ping |
| 18:59.56 | tinti | cybin: pong |
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| 19:00.26 | cybin | yay... so, i'm ready. it's a little late, sorry. :) |
| 19:01.00 | tinti | oh, sorry maybe tomorrow? when are you free? |
| 19:01.20 | mrunix | so who's ported redhat over to arm and made it into a simple install.sh script :D |
| 19:02.06 | cybin | no problem. i'll try to save some time tomorrow afternoon. let's say around 15.00h gmt+1? |
| 19:02.27 | lawrence | got mali pseudo loading now |
| 19:03.13 | lawrence | and exa |
| 19:03.16 | lawrence | yay ish. |
| 19:03.42 | tinti | cybin: ok. |
| 19:03.59 | tinti | I call you |
| 19:04.18 | cybin | tinti: any required OS? i'm mostly working on a mac. |
| 19:05.11 | tinti | cybin: hum, I have never tried it on Mac, would be better ubuntu or fedora or suse (which I know that work). But if you cant is ok. |
| 19:05.48 | cybin | tinti: kk. i'm about to install an ubuntu vbox anyway. :) |
| 19:06.30 | tinti | :) |
| 19:08.29 | lawrence | is this normal - (EE) MALI(0): mali_drm_open_master DRM OPEN (fd: 0x7) |
| 19:11.01 | lawrence | also - anyone notice this - http://malideveloper.arm.com/develop-for-mali/features/mali-gpu-offline-shader-compiler-update/ |
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| 19:30.42 | simosx | lawrence, that links adds support to newer Mali GPUs (not the Mali-400 that the Cubieboard has) |
| 19:30.57 | lawrence | it mentions support for mali400 |
| 19:31.48 | simosx | lawrence, for X.Org support, it requires some other parts of the driver stack in order to have excellent Linux desktop. |
| 19:31.55 | simosx | Sadly, that's missing. |
| 19:32.27 | lawrence | in other news i *finally* got the bloody mali stuff going with ssvb's bits |
| 19:33.11 | lawrence | needed to add a softlink to libdri.so.1 from libdri.so |
| 19:33.28 | ssvb | lawrence: great, how much FPS do you get now? |
| 19:33.29 | simosx | For the open driver, there is #lima. |
| 19:33.33 | lawrence | and rebuilt the ump bits after cleansing with extreme prejudice |
| 19:34.07 | lawrence | need to rebuild mesa-demos as i got a bit too gungho and wiped what i had :( |
| 19:35.09 | lawrence | i probably go to sleep now, its 3:30am |
| 19:35.17 | lawrence | and cloning mesa-demos takes ages |
| 19:35.21 | lawrence | as its kak slow |
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| 19:47.06 | SquirrelCZECH | come one |
| 19:47.27 | SquirrelCZECH | you won't do a single good thing in your life if you are going to sleep at 3:30 am |
| 19:47.41 | SquirrelCZECH | unless you woke up at 11:30am ;-) |
| 19:48.23 | lawrence | snores |
| 19:49.31 | AndrevS | been doing that for the past days. lol |
| 19:50.03 | SquirrelCZECH | if you "move" your time spend in bad it's not so bad |
| 19:50.07 | SquirrelCZECH | but don't sleep enough? |
| 19:50.18 | SquirrelCZECH | your productivity is 1/4 |
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| 20:01.19 | PolyTicks | is there anyone in here who actually understands LiveSuit? |
| 20:01.30 | PolyTicks | I'm having nothing but troubles with it :( |
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| 20:04.29 | PolyTicks | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.17 | simosx | PolyTicks, see PhoenixCard |
| 20:07.54 | simosx | The website has LiveSuit 1.02, however users reported at 1.07 works better. There is no official link to 1.07. |
| 20:07.55 | PolyTicks | simosx: I have tried PhoenixCard, and it claims to successfully "burn" my image |
| 20:08.25 | PolyTicks | and from what I've read I think that once I put my SD-card in my board it should copy the contents from the SD to the internal memory |
| 20:08.57 | PolyTicks | but how do I know that that has happened? I also have yet not successfully gotten an HDMI image |
| 20:09.05 | simosx | There is a wiki page at http://linux-sunxi.org/PhoenixCard |
| 20:09.21 | simosx | Did not try these as my Cubieboard has not arrived yet... |
| 20:09.28 | PolyTicks | I've tried 1.07 too, but when I press the cogs I just get an empty warning message and nothing happens |
| 20:11.07 | PolyTicks | simosx: thanks for your help, I guess I'll just try more of the same and hope for automagic :P |
| 20:18.45 | Cy-Gor | woot, cubieboard got here today |
| 20:19.13 | PolyTicks | Cy-Gor: got it working´+ |
| 20:19.15 | PolyTicks | *? |
| 20:19.21 | Cy-Gor | havent tried |
| 20:19.33 | Cy-Gor | got it mounted to the "case" |
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| 20:33.02 | boss | hii |
| 20:33.19 | boss | I have connectt hdmi2DVI cable |
| 20:33.45 | boss | and I buy 1600x900 LED Lcd |
| 20:33.53 | boss | but is notting??? |
| 20:34.07 | boss | can aneybody helppp |
| 20:34.20 | boss | can i change resolitons! |
| 20:34.35 | boss | to ex: 1024x768 for testing |
| 20:36.09 | boss | Can i change the resolution!!1 |
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| 21:20.23 | f1r3 | buZz: can you post the links to the 3d printed cases again ? |
| 21:22.13 | buZz | http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:40238 |
| 21:22.42 | buZz | according to a commentor it was a too-tight fit, he had to remove a lot of plastic |
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| 21:30.41 | f1r3 | i think about a shield for 2.54mm grid, vga and ttl display and touch panel |
| 21:39.30 | mnemoc | f1r3: GeorgeIoak already made it |
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| 22:52.14 | buZz | f1r3: i would wait for this guy on the mailinglist to finish the schematic for his :P |
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| 23:07.31 | f1r3 | oh great |
| 23:11.36 | pirea | lawrence are you here? |
| 23:22.18 | D-Tick | pirea: < lawrence> i probably go to sleep now, its 3:30am |
| 23:22.31 | D-Tick | 4 hours ago |
| 23:25.26 | pirea | D-Tick if i write a sd image to the nand flash will boot from it? |
| 23:26.54 | buZz | no nand has different formatting |
| 23:29.42 | pirea | buZz some wiki source for make a nand image? |
| 23:33.33 | buZz | i bet there is :P lets see |
| 23:33.48 | pirea | give me the link |
| 23:33.50 | pirea | please |
| 23:35.38 | buZz | http://linux-sunxi.org/LiveSuit_images |
| 23:35.44 | buZz | http://linux-sunxi.org/LiveSuit |
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| 23:43.33 | pirea | buZz i have linux |
| 23:43.41 | pirea | and that exe is for windows |
| 23:45.21 | *** join/#cubieboard mase_wk (~quassel@110-238-1-24.dsl.voice.net.au) |
| 23:45.45 | pirea | there is a linux version |
| 23:45.46 | pirea | tnx |
