| 00:00.11 | mnemoc | filesize is 2151769711 |
| 00:00.36 | minkley | Correct - sorry, don't have sha1sum on my MAC |
| 00:01.11 | minkley | -rw-r--r-- 1 mink staff 2151769711 26 Jan 09:19 cubieboard_opentv.tar.gz |
| 00:02.40 | minkley | Give me a couple of minutes, I will check the sha1sum on a linux box |
| 00:03.55 | mnemoc | # tar ztf cubieboard_opentv.tar.gz > /dev/null ; echo $? |
| 00:03.55 | mnemoc | 0 |
| 00:04.14 | minkley | root@ubServer64:~# sha1sum cubieboard_opentv.tar.gz |
| 00:04.22 | minkley | cf91ea41f141621b03139f08d220c7c0afb4304c cubieboard_opentv.tar.gz |
| 00:04.35 | minkley | It's not the same |
| 00:04.50 | minkley | The tar file is actually not a gzip file |
| 00:05.01 | mnemoc | uhm |
| 00:05.18 | minkley | I am able to extract around 2GB before it fails |
| 00:05.18 | mnemoc | # file cubieboard_opentv.tar.gz |
| 00:05.19 | mnemoc | cubieboard_opentv.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, was "cubieboard-tv-sdk.tar", from Unix, last modified: Sat Jan 5 15:24:20 2013, max compression |
| 00:05.34 | minkley | So I don't think it was broken during download |
| 00:05.52 | mnemoc | i'm running the above directly on the server |
| 00:06.07 | minkley | file cubieboard_opentv.tar.gz cubieboard_opentv.tar.gz: POSIX tar archive (GNU) |
| 00:06.09 | mnemoc | i haven't downloaded that thing myself |
| 00:06.19 | minkley | Interesting |
| 00:06.36 | minkley | Can you try tar -tvf cubieboard_opentv.tar.gz |
| 00:06.47 | minkley | see if you get the same error |
| 00:06.55 | minkley | also try tar -tvzf |
| 00:07.13 | minkley | as yours appears zipped |
| 00:07.15 | mnemoc | I did, see just before you pasted your sha1sum |
| 00:07.46 | minkley | Ok - let me download again |
| 00:07.57 | minkley | does not make sense |
| 00:08.17 | mnemoc | i might have an explaination |
| 00:08.23 | mnemoc | but try downloading again first |
| 00:10.59 | minkley | I originally downloaded with JDownloader - just to make it quicker - I have never had a problem that before |
| 00:12.06 | minkley | Using wget now, but it's pretty slow 163K/s - eta 4h :( |
| 00:12.17 | mnemoc | ouch |
| 00:12.25 | mnemoc | abort it |
| 00:12.43 | minkley | with JDownloader it's about 3.5 M/s :) |
| 00:12.54 | mnemoc | that's odd |
| 00:13.13 | minkley | JDownloader is multi-session, breaks file into blocks |
| 00:13.32 | mnemoc | but abort it. let me disable some evil http server setup requested by hno |
| 00:13.42 | minkley | Ok done |
| 00:14.25 | mnemoc | sure it's multi session, but it doesn't make 3500/163 threads to download one file |
| 00:14.43 | minkley | No |
| 00:15.21 | mnemoc | try now |
| 00:15.24 | minkley | each session in Jdownloader averaged about 350Kb and I had 10 sessions, so it can peak up to around 3.5M/s |
| 00:16.17 | minkley | Wget is still slow, let me try again with Jdownloader |
| 00:18.31 | minkley | Jdownloader is going - eta 13 minutes -throughput 3.28MB/s |
| 00:18.33 | minkley | wget |
| 00:18.35 | minkley | 2% [> ] 43,354,045 142K/s eta 3h 52m |
| 00:18.56 | minkley | :) |
| 00:19.09 | mnemoc | doh |
| 00:20.08 | minkley | wget 50MB downloaded, JDownloader 400MB downloaded :) |
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| 00:36.51 | minkley | It looks good now |
| 00:36.54 | minkley | 64e54976960317f5c00f7a5da0ac2107c525bbac cubieboard_opentv.tar.gz |
| 00:37.39 | minkley | Much better - the tar extracts fine |
| 00:38.22 | minkley | Thanks for that, I guess I must have fatfingered it somehow :) |
| 00:42.37 | minkley | wget is now at 360MB :) |
| 00:46.55 | Dave77 | how do I find out the android version on cubieboard from cmdline? |
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| 01:10.03 | Honeyclaw | hi, guys. I have a question about the cubieboard and LVDS. I have an LVDS panel from a computer, and would like to interface it with the cubieboard. Do I need some sort of "driver" circuit, or can I wire the signal cable from my panel directly to the header pins on the cubieboard? |
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| 01:32.47 | simosx | minkley, you can do parallel downloads with 'axel'. (it's similar to wget, can start multiple parallel download streams) |
| 01:33.41 | simosx | Honeyclaw|away, there is discussion about LVDS at the mailing list. See http://cubieboard.org/contact for more. You probably need the baseboard. |
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| 01:42.47 | simosx | Honeyclaw|away, a few minutes ago there was a success story with LVDS+Cubieboard, at the discussion list. |
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| 01:51.51 | lawrence | @mnemoc awake now, whatsup? |
| 02:03.39 | Honeyclaw | simosx, thanks very much for the tip |
| 02:17.49 | minkley | @Dave77 - use the getprop command - look for [ro.build.version.release]: [4.0.4] |
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| 07:40.03 | Dave77 | is AndrevS here? tried the make script but it just complained no msdos patern found |
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| 08:28.49 | lawrence | just got back from my little shopping trip to the mall; |
| 08:29.55 | lawrence | I should have everything now to make a vga adaptor, and jamma interface |
| 08:30.10 | lawrence | http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheedl/8416516438/in/photostream |
| 08:31.17 | lawrence | got a cute little 5v 2A psu also. |
| 08:36.45 | Baikonur | i've got my cubieboard running on 0.5A power at the moment, don't know if it can be stable |
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| 09:07.49 | jammi | it probably can't. could barely work with that with no devices connected |
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| 09:08.42 | jammi | at least the usb is better implemented than on the rpi, which apparently passes all the usb current through the tiny hub+ethernet chip it has on board |
| 09:09.26 | jammi | which obviously means no matter how powerful psu you have for it, it'll still freeze / reset on most usb devices |
| 09:09.39 | lawrence | if i ever say - hey let me use breadboard, just say no |
| 09:10.31 | jammi | this is what I had to do to make my raspberry somewhat usable: http://imgur.com/a/9GJG5 |
| 09:10.33 | lawrence | my little gpio test circuit is already a mess, i may have well just soldered it.. |
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| 09:45.36 | mnemoc | lawrence: hi. we were talking in #arm-netbookt last night about motorola lapdocks and a generic "mobility accessory" for sticks and hdmi boards. |
| 09:46.10 | lawrence | battery pack in other terms |
| 09:46.11 | mnemoc | lawrence: hdmi sticks are mainstream these days. not only tons of chinese manufacturers but even dell jumped in |
| 09:46.29 | lawrence | yeah, they're 20-30$ here |
| 09:46.43 | mnemoc | lawrence: not just that. a generic lapdock, with good 11-13" screen, and generic connectors |
| 09:46.46 | lawrence | its cheaper than buying dev boards |
| 09:48.08 | mnemoc | full size female hdmi/usb, good screen. just plug your stick/board with minimal cheap cables and done. your stick/board is mobile. with screen, ts, battery and keyboard |
| 09:48.14 | mnemoc | and touchpad |
| 09:48.55 | mnemoc | and only you (western, living in .sh.cn and fluent in chinese) can make that possible :) |
| 09:49.08 | lawrence | is that so. |
| 09:49.27 | lawrence | project #1 at moment for me is making an A10 based Jamma board |
| 09:49.39 | mnemoc | it's a niche market, but considering the amounts of sticks, and r-pi boards in the wild it can be a very profitable project |
| 09:49.40 | lawrence | (out of the fun things i have planned in my life) |
| 09:50.05 | lawrence | well, you can email me some thoughts and i can see whats doable |
| 09:50.25 | lawrence | 7" lcd + batteries are cheap if you look at game style size stuff |
| 09:50.53 | lawrence | ideally you avoid moulding stuff, as you need volume |
| 09:51.06 | lawrence | best is always to rejig someone elses finished product/project |
| 09:51.10 | mnemoc | it needs to have a good res 11-13" screen, not crappy screen |
| 09:51.41 | mnemoc | been there you can source screens, batteries, keyboards of mass produced laptops |
| 09:51.45 | lawrence | 1080? or less or ipad3 style? |
| 09:51.55 | mnemoc | 1080 min |
| 09:52.04 | Turl | 1080 should be okay for a 13" |
| 09:53.40 | lawrence | costs gets > when res goes up |
| 09:54.09 | mnemoc | that's the advantage of niche products |
| 09:54.27 | mnemoc | they don't need to be dirty cheap |
| 09:54.29 | lawrence | i would say look at tablets already in place and rejig existing |
| 09:54.50 | Turl | lawrence: tablets don't have keyboards :< |
| 09:54.59 | lawrence | keyboards are easy |
| 09:55.01 | lawrence | usb or bluetooth |
| 09:55.03 | lawrence | done |
| 09:55.16 | Turl | basically it would be a lcd panel with an hdmi connector |
| 09:55.21 | Turl | and an usb keyboard+trackpad |
| 09:55.26 | lawrence | well, it wouldn't |
| 09:55.27 | mnemoc | lawrence: you are missing the point. a tablet has fixed cpu, ram, storage |
| 09:55.30 | Turl | with the two connectors exposed |
| 09:55.32 | Turl | and a case |
| 09:55.33 | mnemoc | and lapdock is generic |
| 09:55.35 | grog | why? how many people would use a dev board like that? |
| 09:55.42 | lawrence | it would be a lcd panel, with hdmi -> lvds circuitry |
| 09:55.48 | grog | cuz the el cheapo android market is saturated, just look on dx |
| 09:55.50 | lawrence | power circuitry |
| 09:55.58 | lawrence | @grog - EXACTLY |
| 09:56.04 | lawrence | thats why you REUSE those |
| 09:56.08 | Turl | lawrence: well I was giving the big picture |
| 09:56.15 | Turl | lawrence: but those have CPUs and RAM and stuffs |
| 09:56.16 | lawrence | as the costs are CHEAPER than going from scratch |
| 09:56.17 | mnemoc | 4k r-pi are sold daily |
| 09:56.19 | grog | i dont see a market for it, imho |
| 09:56.35 | lawrence | its almost as cheap to buy a tablet than an lcd panel on its own |
| 09:56.38 | mnemoc | a % of those would afford a good generic lapdock if it's not absurdly overpriced |
| 09:56.41 | Turl | grog: google "lapdock raspberry pi/cubieboard/mk802/..." |
| 09:56.44 | lawrence | and it will already have battery etc etc |
| 09:57.03 | lawrence | if we did a dock, that means moulding |
| 09:57.16 | Turl | it doesn't need to have an actual dock |
| 09:57.17 | lawrence | which means min 20k -100k output for the mould |
| 09:57.27 | lawrence | (in terms of numbers made, not cost) |
| 09:57.37 | Turl | it can't have one really, because you don't know what people will plug on it |
| 09:58.05 | Turl | it could even be used as a headless pc terminal, connect hdmi and usb and get a headful pc |
| 09:58.36 | mnemoc | you just need a female hdmi and a slave usb for "docking" anything |
| 09:58.46 | lawrence | its roughly about 80rmb for a lcd driver board that does hdmi, vga, composite, and drives to LVDS |
| 09:59.09 | Turl | vga and composite can be dropped |
| 09:59.28 | lawrence | realtek chipset, does it all anyway.. |
| 09:59.34 | lawrence | eg - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.10.27.3he9pZ&id=21097988329 |
| 09:59.56 | grog | just get a USB monitor |
| 10:00.10 | lawrence | driver for usb is more expensive |
| 10:00.29 | lawrence | whats your eventual cost |
| 10:00.35 | lawrence | and target pricing |
| 10:00.43 | lawrence | or target pricing, so i can guesstimate insides |
| 10:00.48 | lawrence | and req's for hardware |
| 10:01.27 | mnemoc | if you can sell it for $150 it will sell hot |
| 10:01.29 | Turl | http://www.ti.com/product/TFP401A#samplebuy 4$ |
| 10:01.45 | mnemoc | maybe even $180 |
| 10:02.21 | mnemoc | but it needs to be good so it trascends your current stick/board |
| 10:02.41 | lawrence | @turl + pmu + pcb lvds interface +++ |
| 10:03.09 | lawrence | rtd2662 is cheaper, at around 2$ |
| 10:03.12 | lawrence | (realtek) |
| 10:04.32 | lawrence | + board etc, but would be cheaperish. |
| 10:05.38 | Turl | it should be a quality product, if keyboard/screen/build quality is bad it missed the point |
| 10:08.03 | jammi | imagine a future, where every arm board is XXX-compatible |
| 10:08.24 | jammi | it might happen pretty soon, like using a certain device as a baseline |
| 10:08.53 | jammi | similar to how ibm-pc became the defacto x86 reference, even though there were other x86 machines around the same time |
| 10:09.29 | Turl | jammi: EOMA? :p |
| 10:09.59 | jammi | Turl: not so sure if that'll make it into an actual standard |
| 10:10.25 | jammi | it seems like historically, it's just about a popular product with no software constraints |
| 10:10.53 | jammi | for instance, if ios was free, we wouldn't have android devices, and it would have become the defacto compatibility baseline for all clones |
| 10:11.23 | Turl | it did, for a while |
| 10:11.27 | Turl | iOS looking java OSes |
| 10:13.26 | lawrence | why not explain what you want better first so i can think about solutions |
| 10:14.17 | Turl | lawrence: think a quality small laptop |
| 10:14.37 | Turl | lawrence: but without a "brain", just dumb hdmi and usb connectors for a device |
| 10:14.58 | Turl | something like motorola lapdock but without the ugly dock mounting thingy |
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| 10:17.52 | qermit | laptock could be nice if were more popular and common |
| 10:18.32 | qermit | evereone could have own phone with public dockstations |
| 10:18.54 | mnemoc | problem with the original idea of the lapdock is that connectors are device specific |
| 10:19.11 | mnemoc | and power stops when you close the lid |
| 10:23.53 | qermit | thays true |
| 10:24.06 | qermit | that is |
| 10:27.41 | lawrence | http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=13132806766 |
| 10:27.47 | lawrence | thats close to reqs |
| 10:28.03 | lawrence | just need to talk to factory, and put in larger panel |
| 10:28.09 | lawrence | drivers and battery is already there |
| 10:28.59 | lawrence | this is it naked - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.135.cenS5d&scm=1007.77.0.0&id=12755060777&pvid=fce0053a-7d9e-49e4-9da9-dcaa5a6f2770&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id= |
| 10:29.01 | Turl | form factor doesn't look too laptopish |
| 10:29.54 | lawrence | its not hard to turn that into a laptop |
| 10:30.00 | lawrence | you look for functionality |
| 10:30.07 | lawrence | shape / form is just moulding |
| 10:30.34 | lawrence | i would still look at tablet stuff though, as those are volume products |
| 10:31.10 | lawrence | keyboard for this would be easy to do usb - there are factories churning out usb or battery run in ipad case form factor that would be easy to hook up |
| 10:31.19 | lawrence | that panel also has touch |
| 10:31.25 | lawrence | which is interesting |
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| 10:33.34 | jammi | Turl: featurephones with java didn't have anything to do with that, just like windows won't run osx apps if you change a few icons in the ui |
| 10:34.31 | Turl | jammi: yeah but chinese market was all "iPhones" with iOS looking java |
| 10:34.43 | jammi | also, before the iphone appeared, android was basically a blackberry clone |
| 10:35.16 | jammi | Turl: I know that, but it doesn't have anything to do with hardware compatibility, not even software |
| 10:35.42 | Turl | I know, it was just looks compatibility :) |
| 10:35.54 | mnemoc | lawrence: sticks/boards/tablets go faster and faster, cheaper and cheaper daily. in 3M your last toy is obsolete. the $point$ of a mobility accessory (lapdock) is that if it's device agnostic (thanks to normal hdmi/usb connectors) good quality/res/battery it won't obsolete in years, so it's an investment that many geeks will do even if it's not "dirty cheap". having an idea of costs, specs and a basic design you can try to crowdfunding and you'll see geeks will |
| 10:35.59 | Turl | many people bought into it |
| 10:36.03 | jammi | Turl: there's no such thing |
| 10:36.30 | lawrence | @mnemoc - what i just showed you is that |
| 10:36.43 | lawrence | you have battery - using standard canon sized batteries |
| 10:36.47 | jammi | Turl: just like the whatever 999-in-1 systems aren't wii-compatible at any level, even if they try to mimic the controllers |
| 10:36.50 | lawrence | you have hdmi input |
| 10:36.58 | lawrence | you have usb for the touch panel |
| 10:37.25 | lawrence | its just form factor |
| 10:37.32 | lawrence | and choose a larger panel |
| 10:37.33 | Turl | jammi: i know, but they may look like a wii |
| 10:37.52 | Turl | a lot of people will just say "oo a cheap copy of wii *buys*" |
| 10:38.08 | lawrence | @turl - they're actually not too bad some of the clones |
| 10:38.24 | lawrence | some of them use ingenix chipset jz47xx |
| 10:38.27 | lawrence | mips |
| 10:38.38 | lawrence | or the other cheap tablet soc's |
| 10:38.44 | lawrence | like rk3066 or similar |
| 10:38.58 | lawrence | the market is saturated with tablet soc chips |
| 10:39.02 | jammi | sigh, well, some of you know what a compatibility baseline hardware platform is |
| 10:40.34 | lawrence | my point is that its far far cheaper to reuse existing hardware designs than to start from scratch |
| 10:40.41 | lawrence | especially if its made in volume |
| 10:40.59 | lawrence | you pick something close to req's and base off that |
| 10:41.00 | mnemoc | lawrence: of course. reusing already mass produced components is key |
| 10:41.03 | jammi | for instance a 6502 machine with a dummy dos prompt wouldn't have been an ibm-pc compatible clone, even if it was made in china and all the packaging would look somewhat like a ibm pc |
| 10:41.04 | lawrence | works out a whole lot cheaper |
| 10:41.31 | lawrence | but it might have been a C64 clone though jammi :) |
| 10:41.54 | lawrence | as that was 6502 based |
| 10:42.19 | lawrence | zilog z80 had tons of clones in eastern europe |
| 10:42.30 | jammi | lawrence: not really. a c64 is just a little about the cpu, which was a 6510 (custom-made for commodore), and the vic video chip and sid audio chip |
| 10:42.40 | lawrence | and they had spectrum clone hardware |
| 10:42.59 | lawrence | jammi i probably know a bit more about the hardware on the older stuff than you may think |
| 10:43.05 | lawrence | so no lecturing me on that ;) |
| 10:44.07 | jammi | also, the c64 hasn't been cleanly cloned yet. after all these years. all of the emulators and such depend on "pirated" rom's |
| 10:45.00 | jammi | and no ibm-pc clone was fully compatible, because they omitted the basic rom, but had clean re-implementations of the bios |
| 10:45.21 | lawrence | ibm published full source for the bios in the manual |
| 10:45.27 | lawrence | the good old days those were |
| 10:45.35 | lawrence | so reimplementing wasn't too hard |
| 10:46.24 | lawrence | although compaq did the first allegedly clean room reimplementation of bios |
| 10:46.43 | jammi | well, the early ones had plenty of compatibility issues. then, software was written to be savvy for a common denominator of clones and originals |
| 10:47.11 | lawrence | at that point in time it was still a tossup whether cp/m or dos was going to be the future |
| 10:47.23 | lawrence | so most things were more geared to cp/m than clean bios implementations |
| 10:47.42 | lawrence | plus we had all the bus wars at the time also |
| 10:47.53 | jammi | yes, and some predicted (correctly) that unix would scale from the then-minicomputers to future microcomputers |
| 10:48.09 | lawrence | it was only once standardized stuff kicked in that compatibility and clones came into their own |
| 10:49.42 | lawrence | the most popular pre-ibm stuff (non gaming) was commodore pet, trash80 and apple |
| 10:50.10 | jammi | commodore pet was the first computer I used |
| 10:50.14 | lawrence | which should be 6809 if i'm right |
| 10:50.19 | lawrence | need to google quickly |
| 10:50.30 | jammi | 6502 |
| 10:51.00 | lawrence | pet was 6503 |
| 10:51.03 | lawrence | 6502 |
| 10:51.05 | lawrence | (typo) |
| 10:51.12 | lawrence | trs80 was 6809 |
| 10:51.29 | jammi | z80's never caught on here |
| 10:52.02 | jammi | but 10% of all c64's were sold to finland. it was relatively as common as x86's are today |
| 10:52.05 | lawrence | and apple was 6502 or 6809 or z80 depending on daughterboard |
| 10:52.42 | lawrence | 80's was spectrum, commodore etc |
| 10:52.57 | jammi | apple II was 6502 also |
| 10:53.24 | jammi | as was apple I |
| 10:53.39 | lawrence | i had a jupiter ace, a zx80, a zx81, a dragon 32 (trs80 clone), a spectrum 128k, an amiga, then a pc then boring pc's from then on |
| 10:53.39 | jammi | ..and apple III |
| 10:53.52 | lawrence | i did like the 6809 |
| 10:53.54 | jammi | lisa and macintoshes were 680x0 |
| 10:53.59 | lawrence | some nice design features |
| 10:54.11 | lawrence | amiga was also 680x0 too |
| 10:54.23 | jammi | so was atari st and many, many others |
| 10:54.49 | lawrence | yup |
| 10:54.53 | lawrence | had one of those also |
| 10:55.05 | lawrence | and my first job i was doing embedded dev on 8051 |
| 10:55.12 | lawrence | on eprom |
| 10:55.18 | lawrence | not even eeprom |
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| 10:55.58 | lawrence | mind you, i just missed the era at school where to boot the hardware you needed to toggle bits |
| 10:56.21 | lawrence | we had a 5M disk drive the size of a washing machine |
| 10:57.53 | jammi | I was a couple of years later. cassette/floppy booting and rom bootloaders were just switching to os-on-rom, before (later) going back to bootloader in rom + mass storage |
| 10:59.18 | lawrence | cassette - oh god, don't remind me |
| 10:59.47 | jammi | after spending a few months learning programming in basic, it was clear the only way to do real programming on those machines was assembly, then had to buy a book with a (dis)assembler listing in basic, and type it in over several days, then learned to use it |
| 11:00.39 | lawrence | in the old days magazines printed stuff as listings |
| 11:00.41 | jammi | and it was quite a pita to verify every data clause was typed correctly |
| 11:00.47 | lawrence | so i learned to code by typing stuff out |
| 11:00.52 | jammi | same |
| 11:00.55 | lawrence | then debugging it all as it hardly ever worked ;) |
| 11:01.05 | lawrence | a good way to learn imho |
| 11:01.11 | jammi | and later disassembling commercial software |
| 11:01.45 | jammi | a few years later, on a mac plus, disassembly with macsbug |
| 11:02.21 | jammi | and wow, the amount of rom traps those apps were making. had to buy a reference book for those too |
| 11:03.05 | jammi | applied the 68k assembly to amiga too |
| 11:03.28 | jammi | but I never learned ppc, x86 and arm assembly |
| 11:03.36 | jammi | didn't even try |
| 11:03.41 | lawrence | i never learned anything |
| 11:03.52 | lawrence | it worked its way via osmosis :) |
| 11:05.04 | jammi | you mean, like watch, modify, try, figure out the error, retry.. ? |
| 11:05.29 | jammi | which was mostly my way of learning |
| 11:05.45 | lawrence | i forget the name of the software used to use, wasn't IDA |
| 11:05.59 | lawrence | was another one similar that was quite good for doing stuff. |
| 11:06.10 | mnemoc | lawrence: so... is the good and generic lapdock project interesting? :) |
| 11:06.56 | lawrence | @mnemoc i think kickstarter is probably the way to test waters |
| 11:07.06 | mnemoc | sure |
| 11:07.08 | lawrence | if enough moola cometh running in, you make it happen |
| 11:07.11 | lawrence | if not, then no |
| 11:07.27 | lawrence | first up need to define what the spec's are |
| 11:07.29 | mnemoc | fair enough |
| 11:07.33 | lawrence | and choose appropriate hardware |
| 11:07.41 | lawrence | eg has to have HDMI input. |
| 11:07.49 | lawrence | has to be able to be driven by battery |
| 11:07.52 | jammi | kickstarter-like stuff is outlawed here. something about money-collecting laws |
| 11:07.57 | lawrence | has to have usb |
| 11:08.04 | lawrence | i can't kickstarter either |
| 11:08.07 | lawrence | i'm not a us citizen |
| 11:08.17 | mnemoc | indiegogo worked for tom |
| 11:08.31 | mnemoc | with a bank account .hk iirc |
| 11:08.38 | lawrence | that would work |
| 11:09.10 | lawrence | i still think the best sort of platform is going to be tablet based |
| 11:09.32 | lawrence | as they have 90% of the hardware in the mostly right form factor already. |
| 11:09.50 | lawrence | eg, chassis, lcd, and battery bits |
| 11:09.50 | jammi | btw, I tried using siri for irc earlier today |
| 11:10.04 | lawrence | its the hdmi that troubles me |
| 11:10.12 | lawrence | as the chipsets for that are a bit of a pain |
| 11:10.22 | jammi | worked surprisingly well, once I learned the speech-pattern style it likes |
| 11:10.54 | jammi | faster than a real keyboard in many cases, definitely faster than on-screen keyboards |
| 11:12.12 | jammi | however, I think the future text-entry stuff will be some neural probe things |
| 11:12.40 | lawrence | i want a foot mouse |
| 11:13.00 | lawrence | feet just don't get used |
| 11:13.14 | lawrence | i'd be totally cool for using a foot mouse |
| 11:13.21 | jammi | I've tried that, but it's not a good idea. however, foot-operated pedal-buttons work well |
| 11:13.26 | lawrence | then dont need to move hands off the kb |
| 11:13.42 | lawrence | i've tried eye tracking |
| 11:13.51 | lawrence | gets a bit tiring |
| 11:13.55 | lawrence | and jumpy |
| 11:14.15 | jammi | eye tracking doesn't work, because eye positioning doesn't work as we'd intuitively think it does |
| 11:14.22 | lawrence | ok, i'm heading home 88 office |
| 11:14.25 | lawrence | ciao |
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| 11:24.27 | minkley | Has anyone tried to flash with LiveSuite from a Ubuntu 64 VirtualBox VM on a Imac27 |
| 11:26.04 | minkley | Running LiveSuite 3.01 on ubuntu linux virtualbox vm and Livesuite is not seeing the cubieboard |
| 11:26.55 | minkley | using the OTG usb to the mac, pressing the FEL button. The vm sees the device but LiveSuite is doing anything |
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| 13:30.03 | herdingcat | Does cb have RTC? |
| 13:33.17 | simosx | herdingcat, no. |
| 13:33.49 | herdingcat | simosx, thanks |
| 13:34.26 | simosx | As a developer board, however, you can add one (there are RTC addons available), or use network time as soon as the system boots. |
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| 14:02.09 | mnemoc | lawrence: http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Alejandro_Mery/Lapdock |
| 14:02.29 | mnemoc | the cubieboard it *does* have RTC, within the SoC |
| 14:02.39 | mnemoc | it just lacks of a battery to keep it working |
| 14:03.49 | mnemoc | meh |
| 14:03.54 | mnemoc | he run |
| 14:04.50 | jammi | a battery-connection howto wouldn't hurt |
| 14:05.26 | mnemoc | not sure if it's possible to hook a battery beside using a 5V usb power bank |
| 14:06.00 | mnemoc | but as those can't be used online, it's kind of pointless |
| 14:06.27 | mnemoc | unless you power the board via OTG while changing the DC |
| 14:06.35 | simosx | herdingcat, hence, http://linux-sunxi.org/A10/TIMER#TMR_RTC_TIME |
| 14:09.30 | mnemoc | http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Alejandro_Mery/Lapdock <-- comments welcomed |
| 14:09.59 | herdingcat | simosx, okay, thanks :) |
| 14:10.08 | jammi | aren't rtc batteries typically 3.7V? |
| 14:10.42 | jammi | I found a cmos battery from the 80's, still has the 3.7V nominal charge in it. came from a 286 iirc |
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| 14:11.37 | jammi | http://linux-sunxi.org/AXP209 |
| 14:11.44 | jammi | the table seems more than messed up |
| 14:11.58 | simosx | mnemoc, is 'lapdock' a brand name? Never heard of it before, and it might be good to add some info (=picture) in that page on what a 'lapdock' is. |
| 14:12.32 | jammi | simosx: I think the first ones were motorola-branded things for their smartphones |
| 14:13.29 | jammi | http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/Motorola-Lapdock-100/73945,en_US,pd.html |
| 14:15.15 | mnemoc | i'm trying to convince lawrence, or hipboi, or basically anyone from here living in .cn to design and crowdfund a "mobility accessory" for sticks/devboards like http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Alejandro_Mery/Lapdock :) |
| 14:15.46 | jammi | also http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/Motorola-Lapdock-500-PRO/77653,en_US,pd.html |
| 14:17.17 | tinti_ | does anyone has a Rpi and want to spare a little bit of time? |
| 14:17.56 | jammi | mnemoc: a general-purpose expansion board for the cubie would be great also |
| 14:20.25 | jammi | something that uses at least the vga and the mmc pins, provides some common connector for the lvds stuff so you can plug straight in a certain type of tft display, and some gpio's protected and isolated into groups, for further accessories or even screw terminals or somesuch |
| 14:21.48 | jammi | gpio groups could hold something like button/switch interfaces, relay boards, various measurement probes etc |
| 14:21.49 | mnemoc | jammi: there is a guy called george making a daughter board for the cb with vga and 0.1" pins |
| 14:23.16 | rellla | was unpacking his cubieboard and can't wait putting some linux on the microsd .. |
| 14:23.22 | jammi | a battery charging / discharging circuit for lithium batteries would be nice too |
| 14:24.50 | jammi | something you could connect an 18650, 18350 etc battery holder to directly |
| 14:25.17 | mnemoc | a "portable UPS" :) |
| 14:26.46 | jammi | yes, or somesuch. I think a target of a well expanded cubieboard could be in a cube case and would hold a 2.5" ssd/hdd, a psu, batteries and various expansions |
| 14:27.15 | mnemoc | sounds nice |
| 14:27.24 | jammi | all in a neat little desktop cube |
| 14:30.32 | jammi | on the usb side, maybe a 2x 4-port, powered usb hub that docks into the cubieboard with normal type a usb connectors |
| 14:31.48 | jammi | or just a hub with 4 external ports and a bunch of integrated usb peripherials, like a bt and wifi adapter, another sata connector or two or something like that |
| 14:34.19 | jammi | for a hobbyist gpio interface, I think something that offers similar capabilities to this one would be very nice: http://labjack.com/u3 |
| 14:34.34 | jammi | especially, if backed with very good software support |
| 14:35.28 | jammi | I have one of those, in the HV variety, and it's been very practical to hook up temporary attachements for nice high-level interfacing via its driver and libraries |
| 14:35.45 | jammi | ..to any computer |
| 14:35.58 | jammi | it's just quite expensive for what it is |
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| 14:37.48 | jammi | if there was something with similar capabilities mass produced for the cubieboard headers, it would be even better, because there wouldn't be a usb overhead and such, which would allow experimenting with fairly quickly responding stuff |
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| 14:40.10 | jammi | the key with hobbyist stuff like that is that there are fairly failsafe general ports that software developers can use without understanding too much about electronics |
| 14:43.26 | jammi | especially high-level software developers, like people who use python, ruby, js, perl, java and such |
| 14:44.34 | jammi | which would suddenly enable a lot of automation stuff for a new group of developers and would be useful in education |
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| 14:51.21 | rellla | i'm wondering, if a 5V/1A power adapter via otg-port may be enough for cubieboard, including powering a 1,4W (read/write) transcend half-slim ssd? |
| 14:52.09 | jammi | go for at least 2A |
| 14:52.25 | D-Tick | rellla: if you find detailed power consumption details - let me know - i am also searching :) |
| 14:52.56 | rellla | jammi: no chance? |
| 14:54.28 | D-Tick | i think the 2A are enough for driving also a SATA-Disk... |
| 14:54.52 | jammi | rellla: probably not. 1A is barely enough for the board itself + two low-power usb devices |
| 14:55.32 | jammi | anyhow, I think I'll just probe the power consumption on mine |
| 14:55.41 | rellla | i have one with 5V/3A, but the size of the plug does not fit. |
| 14:55.55 | rellla | i'm probing, too... ;) |
| 14:56.13 | jammi | the plug itself is fairly common. I have several from various switching power supplies |
| 15:00.45 | SquirrelCZECH | hi guys |
| 15:01.03 | SquirrelCZECH | anybody tried this? http://andre.blaatschaap.be/2013/01/installing-archlinuxarm-on-the-cubieboard/ |
| 15:01.11 | SquirrelCZECH | can't understand wha is the "FAT partition" |
| 15:01.37 | jammi | SquirrelCZECH: fat is the ms-dos file format |
| 15:01.42 | jammi | *filesystem format |
| 15:01.44 | SquirrelCZECH | I know that |
| 15:02.08 | SquirrelCZECH | but both partitions that the script created are without the txt file which he mentions |
| 15:02.10 | jammi | it's the default single partition most sd cards have as they ship |
| 15:02.19 | SquirrelCZECH | hmm |
| 15:04.10 | jammi | hmm indeed, I'm just figuring which wire to splice for the power consumption measurements |
| 15:05.50 | jammi | ..and whether to make a new one or not |
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| 15:14.21 | herdingcat | hi, is there possible to change GPU memory like rpi ? |
| 15:15.44 | jammi | ok, the board itself draws 500mA with nothing at all connected, and seems to idle at 230mA |
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| 15:16.21 | jammi | plugging in ethernet makes adds about 70mA |
| 15:16.34 | jammi | idles at around 300mA after that |
| 15:16.49 | jammi | and this is with the ondemand cpufreq governor |
| 15:18.11 | jammi | with ethernet and hdmi plugged in, it goes up to 600mA while booting up |
| 15:19.01 | herdingcat | huh? |
| 15:19.03 | jammi | a ps2->usb adapter with usb adds 40-50mA |
| 15:19.04 | herdingcat | hi, is there possible to change GPU memory like rpi ? |
| 15:19.35 | SquirrelCZECH | guys |
| 15:20.18 | rellla | jammi, can you check at "performance"? |
| 15:21.12 | jammi | yes, I'm doing that. in performance, it's just idling at 440-500mA with keyboard, hdmi and ethernet connected |
| 15:22.00 | jammi | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null is 710mA |
| 15:22.55 | jammi | I don't have anything gpu-savvy installed yet, but I'm pretty sure it'll go way over 1A with that |
| 15:23.41 | rellla | so 750mA at 5V is 3,75W, there are no 1,4W left for my ssd with 1A :( |
| 15:24.01 | jammi | rellla: remember, this is still without graphics |
| 15:24.16 | rellla | :(( |
| 15:24.42 | rellla | btw, this should be wikified. |
| 15:24.42 | jammi | I should really install a gpu-savvy kernel. does anyone have a quick link to one, I'm not too inclined to start building one |
| 15:24.54 | jammi | one with lima compiled |
| 15:26.03 | jammi | this is on the vanilla linaro-alip 3.4.19-a10-aufs+ at the moment |
| 15:27.10 | jammi | the apple usb keyboard (with hub) adds 100mA idle, with occasional 200-300mA peaks |
| 15:28.23 | jammi | so 830mA with that connected, and the urandom to null cpu load |
| 15:29.38 | jammi | seems to have settled at 840mA after a while |
| 15:29.59 | jammi | but it's over 1A with a hub and keyboard anyway |
| 15:31.43 | jammi | this, plus a usb wifi stick makes consumption unstable, varying from 900mA to 1.1A, with no particular network traffic |
| 15:34.12 | jammi | and traffic doesn't seem to add anything by itself |
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| 15:37.44 | jammi | so yeah, I'd say 600-700mA with nothing at all plugged in and at least 1A if it's inteded to be networked and have some apps + hid devices installed, 1.2-1.5A with a wifi stick added (100-400mA safety margin, my measurement is just from a 2Hz multimeter reading) |
| 15:38.51 | jammi | and many of the "2.1A" usb power supplies won't deliver what they promise, not at least without a significant voltage drop |
| 15:39.06 | Bizon | so connecting a hard drive with 2A power supply will be basically impossible, right? |
| 15:39.30 | rellla | jammi, thanks for testing! |
| 15:39.32 | jammi | pretty much, yes, assuming there are peaks |
| 15:39.56 | jammi | I should try to configure the setup for mali taxing next |
| 15:40.05 | Bizon | i'm not very glad about it but anyway, thank you very much for this - very interesting - info |
| 15:40.29 | jammi | maybe it'd be easiest to do that by just boot to android.. let's see.. |
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| 15:42.08 | rellla | taking a ssd with 1-1.5W should be possible though with 5V/2A. there should be another 300mA free for it. |
| 15:42.14 | rellla | hopefully. |
| 15:43.29 | rellla | i will order one of these psp power supplies... |
| 15:44.30 | jammi | just booting android goes over 800mA peaks, and stays at around 600-650mA on average |
| 15:45.11 | jammi | moving the mouse cursor around with no apps running is about 780mA |
| 15:45.20 | mnemoc | jammi: is it able to eat more tha 2A? |
| 15:46.12 | jammi | probably, once you plug in more stuff than this |
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| 15:47.18 | jammi | so, tell me a free google play store app to maximize gpu usage |
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| 15:47.41 | mnemoc | jammi: try a benchmark app |
| 15:48.00 | herdingcat | hi, is there possible to change GPU memory like rpi ? |
| 15:48.19 | mnemoc | jammi: antutu does tons of GL stuff |
| 15:48.50 | mnemoc | jammi: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.antutu.ABenchMark&hl=en |
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| 15:51.20 | mnemoc | I had the idea that the cubie's PMU/circuitery will truncate your feeding capabilities at 2A |
| 15:57.55 | SquirrelCZECH | damn it |
| 15:58.03 | SquirrelCZECH | aaaa |
| 15:58.23 | SquirrelCZECH | can't find the uEnv.txt |
| 15:58.34 | SquirrelCZECH | because it looks like I don't have the FAT partition |
| 15:58.42 | herdingcat | SquirrelCZECH, you need to generate it bu yourself... |
| 15:58.45 | herdingcat | *by |
| 15:59.01 | SquirrelCZECH | how? |
| 15:59.41 | jammi | SquirrelCZECH: just install berryboot in the default android setup, insert the sd card and run the berryboot setup utility |
| 15:59.49 | SquirrelCZECH | god damn it |
| 15:59.57 | herdingcat | SquirrelCZECH, wait a sec.. |
| 16:00.10 | jammi | it's a straight-forward and very easy way to get started |
| 16:00.14 | SquirrelCZECH | yep |
| 16:00.16 | SquirrelCZECH | and useless |
| 16:00.24 | SquirrelCZECH | because the default kernel can't recognize single thing which I need |
| 16:00.27 | herdingcat | SquirrelCZECH, http://fpaste.org/Mqeb/ |
| 16:00.32 | SquirrelCZECH | herdingcat: thanks |
| 16:00.37 | herdingcat | SquirrelCZECH, ur welcome.. |
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| 16:07.08 | jammi | ok, cpu & mem test on antutu is 750-850mA for cpu / mem test, cpu integer 670-700mA, cpu float 620mA, 2D graphics about 500-600mA |
| 16:07.53 | mnemoc | wiki wiki :) |
| 16:08.35 | herdingcat | mnemoc, mate, do you know how to set gpu memory? |
| 16:09.14 | mnemoc | herdingcat: it's all or nothing |
| 16:10.17 | mnemoc | having mali enabled is VERY expensive memory wise |
| 16:11.47 | jammi | ok, so it seems like gpu is maybe +200..300mA to normal, but I'll try some youtube also |
| 16:11.56 | mnemoc | jammi: tried antutu? |
| 16:12.16 | jammi | mnemoc: yes |
| 16:17.50 | jammi | this will take a while.. |
| 16:18.23 | jammi | hmm, seems like there are some issues getting youtube to work properly |
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| 16:22.47 | herdingcat | mnemoc, I have disabled it in kernel |
| 16:23.05 | herdingcat | mnemoc, but I do think there would be a parameter to tune it, right? |
| 16:25.46 | herdingcat | [root@fedora-arm ~]# free -m |
| 16:25.46 | herdingcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.47 | herdingcat | Mem: 991 573 418 0 28 443 |
| 16:26.51 | mnemoc | the current mali driver doesn't allow such thing |
| 16:27.17 | mnemoc | and it's unclear the blob will accept such change either |
| 16:27.21 | herdingcat | mnemoc, ah, okay, got it. |
| 16:27.29 | herdingcat | mnemoc, what's blob? |
| 16:27.32 | mnemoc | do you have fb? |
| 16:27.45 | herdingcat | mnemoc, no |
| 16:27.46 | mnemoc | "blob" is used to referece to a binary thing |
| 16:27.54 | herdingcat | okay |
| 16:27.59 | mnemoc | in this case the closed source library |
| 16:28.14 | mnemoc | if you don't do fb you can also save some more mem disabling G2D |
| 16:28.23 | herdingcat | mnemoc, so I wanna know why the memory is 991MB.. |
| 16:28.36 | herdingcat | mnemoc, let me paste .config file |
| 16:28.43 | mnemoc | no, paste me your dmesg |
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| 16:29.31 | herdingcat | mnemoc, http://fpaste.org/pJe7/ |
| 16:29.45 | SquirrelCZECH | that's weird |
| 16:30.00 | SquirrelCZECH | herdingcat: I think that you actually have the boot.scr file? |
| 16:30.28 | mnemoc | herdingcat: yes, you have G2D (2D graphic accelerator, mixing engine) |
| 16:30.39 | mnemoc | herdingcat: disable it |
| 16:30.44 | herdingcat | mnemoc, how? |
| 16:30.51 | mnemoc | grep G2D .config |
| 16:31.19 | SquirrelCZECH | hmm |
| 16:31.23 | herdingcat | mnemoc, ah, thanks |
| 16:31.43 | SquirrelCZECH | is there anybody else which tried this manual http://andre.blaatschaap.be/2013/01/installing-archlinuxarm-on-the-cubieboard/ ? |
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| 17:09.18 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: don't know what's the problem you have, but u-boot-sunxi (for mmc) support both boot.scr or uEnv.txt. lichee-dev (nand) doesn't support any |
| 17:09.58 | SquirrelCZECH | easy one |
| 17:10.07 | SquirrelCZECH | I do not have these files :D |
| 17:10.16 | mnemoc | you don't need them |
| 17:10.46 | mnemoc | they are only used if you need to customize your u-boot env |
| 17:11.40 | SquirrelCZECH | yep, which is the problem |
| 17:11.45 | SquirrelCZECH | I need to add option to kernel line |
| 17:13.38 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: uEnv.txt is a plain text file |
| 17:14.19 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: goes in the first partition, same as script.bin and uImage |
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| 17:14.52 | mnemoc | boot.scr is more annoying as it needs to get compiled |
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| 17:19.25 | SquirrelCZECH | mnemoc: I somehow managed to get him |
| 17:19.25 | SquirrelCZECH | but still the option doesn't work :-/ |
| 17:19.25 | SquirrelCZECH | ok |
| 17:19.25 | SquirrelCZECH | but as I noticed, I can still setup something with uEnv.txt withou boot.scr? |
| 17:19.25 | SquirrelCZECH | :-) |
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| 17:21.15 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: unless you have a dirty env, yes |
| 17:21.22 | mnemoc | bootenv=uEnv.txt |
| 17:21.35 | mnemoc | loadbootenv=fatload mmc 0 $scriptaddr ${bootenv} || ext2load mmc 0 $scriptaddr ${bootenv} || ext2load mmc 0 $scriptaddr boot/${bootenv} |
| 17:21.44 | mnemoc | is in the default env |
| 17:24.00 | mnemoc | and btw, uEnv.txt is loaded *before* boot.scr |
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| 17:25.53 | RavenII | I hope I'm not starting some shit?but this is by far better than the Pi, right? |
| 17:26.05 | RavenII | (I'm totally new to this things) |
| 17:27.01 | SquirrelCZECH | ok |
| 17:27.20 | mnemoc | RavenII: do you seriously expect a not-biased answer for that? |
| 17:27.54 | RavenII | mnemoc, believe it or not?I thought "that was a dumb question" right after I hit enter. |
| 17:28.17 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:28.21 | herdingcat | Hi, what's SPI and HSI in cb kernel? When do I need those device drivers? |
| 17:28.37 | RavenII | What I should have asked is?for a beginner, is it wise to go with the Cubie vs the Pi for someone that isn't as advanced as some? I'm mainly looking to use this for RTL-SDR purposes... |
| 17:29.02 | mnemoc | RavenII: unless you can't affort a cubie, there is no reason to pick a r-pi |
| 17:29.23 | RavenII | mnemoc, aside from availability... |
| 17:29.28 | mnemoc | right |
| 17:30.13 | RavenII | I mean, the community is growing (obviously)?and for the price, I don't think anything better will come out?.soon. |
| 17:30.14 | mnemoc | r-pi has broadcom behind, and their first batch was 10k pieces. the first batch of the cubie was 100 pieces, then 250, then 3.5k |
| 17:31.12 | mnemoc | RavenII: if you want IOs, the cubieboard is probably the best choice |
| 17:31.36 | mnemoc | RavenII: if not, there are exynos4, exynos5 and imx6 boards with more power, but 3x the price |
| 17:32.03 | mnemoc | bye :| |
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| 17:32.47 | RavenII | The hell? |
| 17:33.16 | mnemoc | don't know that board |
| 17:35.42 | RavenII | lol |
| 17:35.57 | Dave77 | mnemoc: should berryboot give me a commandline from using via serial connection? |
| 17:36.13 | mnemoc | i've never used berryboot |
| 17:36.19 | mnemoc | should, i guess |
| 17:36.37 | Gumboot | RavenII: The CPU's integer performance is unquestionably better on the cubieboard. Other factors are more involved. |
| 17:37.00 | Gumboot | But you mustn't underestimate the importance of the CPU's integer performance in most other tasks. |
| 17:39.20 | Gumboot | <not the opinion of my current or any previous employer> In fact, I would say that most of the other technology on the pi is a whole lot more powerful, but it's all strangled by the CPU and/or hidden behind the driver model so you can't use it at all. </not blah blah blah> |
| 17:40.02 | rm | <mnemoc> RavenII: unless you can't affort a cubie, there is no reason to pick a r-pi |
| 17:40.10 | rm | just get both |
| 17:40.19 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:40.20 | rm | wtf is wrong with you, they're cute sub-50 ARM boards :D |
| 17:40.26 | rm | sub-$50 * |
| 17:40.57 | jammi | btw, what'd be an url for a recent kernel image with good drivers? |
| 17:41.35 | jammi | if you don't want to host one, I can do that |
| 17:42.35 | RavenII | Gumboot, you said "I would say that most of the other technology on the pi is a whole lot more powerful"?than it's capable of performing? or than the Cubie? |
| 17:42.42 | jammi | I've misplaced my 16GB µSD card, and have only a 2GB µSD available, which isn't enough of space to build a kernel |
| 17:43.05 | rm | jammi, http://romanrm.ru/en/a10/kernel |
| 17:44.22 | jammi | thanks |
| 17:44.41 | Gumboot | RavenII: Probably both. |
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| 17:50.18 | RavenII | Gumboot, interesting. |
| 17:51.13 | RavenII | It's mainly the ARMv6 that I don't dig?seems like it's not going to be supported for that much longer?(based solely on what I've been reading?not personal knowledge) |
| 17:51.40 | Gumboot | Part of the push to use hard-float is also a push to forget all about ARMv6. |
| 17:52.46 | Gumboot | It's not that ARMv6 doesn't do float (pi does it better than cubieboard!) but the Thumb-1 instruction coding makes it impossible, or something like that. |
| 17:56.07 | Gumboot | ARMv6 wasn't going to be supported by any distributions before the pi took off. I don't know how many of them have pushed ahead and left it behind. |
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| 17:56.49 | Gumboot | The temptation would also be to use NEON acceleration as standard... despite the historical wrong-headed licensing of ARMv7. |
| 17:57.46 | RavenII | Doesn't that make the Pi antiquated? I mean, some of the more popular distros aren't able to be ran on the Pi, whereas the Cubie can run them. |
| 17:58.34 | RavenII | Again, this is coming from my point of view (not a programmer, but looking for a low power device to run as a nas/server) |
| 18:01.18 | Gumboot | Yeah, basically that. |
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| 18:02.25 | Gumboot | The support periphery has nothing wrong with it. It's just the CPU. |
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| 19:03.22 | lawrence | @mnemoc hdmi, so 1920x1080 rez. none of the small units do higher rez |
| 19:04.26 | mnemoc | lawrence: there is a guy in #arm-netbook willing to do the oshw design for a lapdock pcb |
| 19:04.51 | mnemoc | lawrence: /join ? :) |
| 19:11.06 | mnemoc | lawrence: in https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/HQsCY7ErAL4 linus torvalds talks about he setup up his 2560x1440 display over hdmi at 30Hz |
| 19:11.28 | lawrence | hd panel in 13" isnt cheap so end cost looking more like ＋＋ |
| 19:11.48 | lawrence | also the SoC's don't have video controllers that do > 1080 |
| 19:11.50 | lawrence | mostly |
| 19:12.07 | mnemoc | very fair point |
| 19:12.09 | lawrence | even though hdmi can barely do 4k@24fps |
| 19:12.26 | mnemoc | >1080p idea discarded |
| 19:12.38 | r4v5 | ugh, 4k |
| 19:12.43 | lawrence | if you look at 1280x1024 panel is about 600rmb |
| 19:12.44 | lawrence | what? |
| 19:12.46 | lawrence | 4k is cheap |
| 19:12.51 | lawrence | 50 |
| 19:12.56 | lawrence | 50" panel is about 6500rmb |
| 19:13.00 | lawrence | for 4k |
| 19:13.10 | lawrence | tv in 50" about 8500rmb |
| 19:13.13 | lawrence | @4k |
| 19:13.23 | lawrence | problem is hdmi is lagging |
| 19:13.32 | r4v5 | I'm more upset that 4k isn't going to catch on in most people's living rooms and because of that we're going to be stuck with 1080p for most everything |
| 19:13.34 | lawrence | and the current set of controller chips don't do displayport |
| 19:13.37 | mnemoc | lawrence: /join #arm-netbook ? |
| 19:14.18 | mnemoc | this channel is a cubieboard-centric spin-off of #arm-netbook |
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| 19:37.24 | [7] | hm, so I've read that there are bad cables... which cables are those? |
| 19:39.08 | mnemoc | [7]: the DC cable |
| 19:40.10 | [7] | what kind of cable is that exactly? I hope my board will arrive in the next couple of days :) |
| 19:40.52 | Bizon1 | the power supply cable - USB male to the round power connector |
| 19:41.01 | [7] | which diameter? |
| 19:41.14 | [7] | I guess it's not the standard 5.5mm thing but something smaller |
| 19:41.29 | Bizon1 | nope, it's written in the faq on the wiki |
| 19:41.31 | Bizon1 | somewhere |
| 19:41.36 | [7] | ok |
| 19:42.53 | Bizon | anyway i think someone wrote you should be still able to power the board through the micro USB port on the board |
| 19:43.02 | Bizon | but i don't know, waiting for my board to arrive too :) |
| 19:43.56 | Bizon | BTW, to the power supply, i think i read it's possible to power it with a psp charger |
| 19:46.29 | [7] | thinks the power supply of his 7 port USB hub might fit |
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| 19:49.54 | mnemoc | [7]: 4.0/1.7mm |
| 19:50.08 | mnemoc | a psp charger should work just fine, yes |
| 19:50.18 | [7] | dang, right in between what I have here |
| 19:50.35 | [7] | lots of 5.5mm things and a 2.Xmm |