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| 00:24.22 | buZz | FINALLY |
| 00:24.27 | buZz | finalizing my cubieboard case |
| 00:24.34 | buZz | adding M3 bolts to hold it together |
| 00:24.40 | buZz | instead of a rubber band :P |
| 00:24.48 | buZz | and, adding the missing UART and SATA power connectors |
| 00:24.57 | buZz | as soon as a mate of mine updates the dxf :P |
| 00:25.27 | buZz | cause that dwg is really really really AWEFULL |
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| 02:05.25 | [7] | buZz: I can second that. Although I've found that in many cases there were *no* bad cells, but just broken balancers (I've disassembled mostly lenovo battery packs) |
| 02:06.44 | [7] | also, jammi: ^ |
| 02:07.10 | [7] | btw, I like my DSO quad... it has some bad limitations, but I like it for its price and its portability |
| 02:07.29 | buZz | ah, li+ cells |
| 02:07.30 | buZz | lol |
| 02:07.40 | buZz | i was thinking you responded to my dwg hating |
| 02:07.43 | jammi | "morning" |
| 02:07.46 | buZz | ;) |
| 02:07.49 | buZz | night :P |
| 02:08.25 | [7] | e-ndy: IIUC booting from SATA or USB is only possible if you at least install a bootloader on the microsd card or NAND |
| 02:08.31 | buZz | will post an updated Fake Cubieboard to thingiverse soon |
| 02:08.52 | buZz | now _WITH_ sata power and uart headers :D |
| 02:09.06 | jammi | the typical case for me has been one of the parallel series doin 0V, the pthers being just fine |
| 02:09.44 | [7] | too bad the cubie can't be powered by a li-ion cell easily |
| 02:09.51 | jammi | sorry, ipad tuping from bed |
| 02:09.51 | [7] | that's something that I really like about the pandaboard |
| 02:10.37 | [7] | jammi: I also have like 50 working cells laying around here, actually I didn't find a broken one in any battery pack so far |
| 02:10.45 | [7] | maybe some with lower capacity than others, don't know |
| 02:11.10 | jammi | 7: yeah, but that's good for the addon market |
| 02:11.32 | [7] | but one thing that I observed several times on both lenovo battery packs is that it suddently won't charge up to 12.6V, but only to like 12.4V, later only 12.0V |
| 02:12.00 | buZz | jammi: dont worry, you tupe really well |
| 02:12.01 | buZz | ;) |
| 02:12.02 | [7] | after disassembling them, one set of parallel cells had like 4.25V and the others were 3.8-4.0V-ish |
| 02:12.19 | [7] | immediately after charging |
| 02:12.52 | [7] | observed the same (along with a weird battery led blink code) on a dell battery pack, but there all cells were at 4.0V, and it just wouldn't charge further |
| 02:13.06 | buZz | i have one of those 6 cell chargers |
| 02:13.06 | buZz | http://www.chargedrc.com.au/vmchk/Battery-Chargers/iMax-B6-6s-Multi-function-Battery-Charger-Package/flypage.tpl.html |
| 02:14.06 | [7] | most of my li-ion stuff is 18650 cells (for my flashlight, pandaboard, other experiments...), so I just have a couple cheapo 18650 chargers |
| 02:14.39 | [7] | and an 18650 holder hooked up to a certain pin on my pandaboard :) |
| 02:14.40 | buZz | yeah, same here |
| 02:14.47 | buZz | i have a 4 cell 18650 holder |
| 02:14.57 | buZz | also there is a parametric 18650 holder on thingiverse |
| 02:14.58 | [7] | that one will even charge the battery when powered with 5V |
| 02:15.24 | [7] | devboard with builtin UPS |
| 02:15.44 | buZz | :P |
| 02:15.47 | [7] | wonders when his cubieboard will arrive |
| 02:15.55 | buZz | jan 2013 probably |
| 02:15.55 | [7] | it's about time now |
| 02:16.07 | jammi | [7]: yeah, exactly the case. one set being practically 0V, while another is vastly overcharged |
| 02:16.10 | buZz | bought rich thingy |
| 02:16.29 | [7] | jammi: in my case it just stopped charging when one was about to be overcharged, instead of balancing it down |
| 02:16.40 | jammi | if they made absolutely homogenic batteries, they would last for ages and there would be nothing to recover |
| 02:17.01 | jammi | also, if they equipped them with proper charging/discharging electronics; one per cell |
| 02:17.17 | [7] | if a cell is shorted I can imagine why things would go haywire, but if the cells keep their charge just fine I really don't get how the balancers can fail |
| 02:18.45 | jammi | while searching for proper parts for the raspberry, I stumbled upon a 80's or 90's cmos battery pack |
| 02:19.14 | [7] | heh, the raspberry pi can be powered from a single li-ion cell as well, it just can't charge it :) |
| 02:19.17 | jammi | remember those with the 4-pin header, with one or two pins blocked/cut |
| 02:19.34 | jammi | it still had a 3.7V charge |
| 02:19.55 | [7] | they were optimized for that :) |
| 02:19.58 | jammi | must have been in that randombox since80 386 times |
| 02:20.21 | jammi | iirc, they're even rechargeable |
| 02:20.44 | [7] | did you manage to power the raspberry from it? :) |
| 02:20.52 | jammi | didn't try :) |
| 02:21.03 | [7] | probably way too high inner resistance |
| 02:21.18 | [7] | and you'd have to hack the raspberry to run with less than 4V |
| 02:21.32 | [7] | it can in fact go down to 3V with a trivial mod :) |
| 02:21.51 | jammi | anyhow, the reason for setting up the raspberry is software development. doing my part in helping out with haiku (os) arm porting and they have some initial code for raspberry, not cubie |
| 02:22.15 | jammi | so I hope learning stuff via that and then applying to cubie when I reach moderate success |
| 02:22.51 | jammi | stuff about the haiku codebase and its arm port, not so much about the hardware itself |
| 02:23.31 | jammi | but I have some x86 issues to sort out regarding that too, having an horribly unstable install on my atx-pc |
| 02:24.06 | buZz | meh, i should keep the mounting holes on the fake cubieboard i guess |
| 02:24.15 | buZz | just drills through them in his own design |
| 02:24.31 | jammi | it's like getting started, compiling, reading docs, changing some codes and before I have a chance to experiment, one of the gui servers have crashed or something like that, so I must press the reset button :) |
| 02:25.23 | jammi | buZz: you didn't get the rich package? |
| 02:25.29 | jammi | I'm pretty glad I did |
| 02:25.31 | buZz | yes i did? |
| 02:25.39 | buZz | oh, wait, what are you referring to? |
| 02:25.44 | jammi | the case :) |
| 02:25.49 | buZz | ah |
| 02:25.50 | buZz | yeah |
| 02:25.55 | buZz | that case is p000p |
| 02:25.59 | buZz | making a proper one ;) |
| 02:26.05 | jammi | I ♥ the case it came with. so minimalistic yet good looking |
| 02:26.10 | buZz | http://etc.servehttp.com/cubiecase_test4.png <- beta case |
| 02:26.24 | jammi | also almost as practical as having a bare board |
| 02:26.33 | jammi | ..for hacking purposes |
| 02:26.33 | buZz | well |
| 02:26.36 | buZz | i needed to make this |
| 02:26.42 | buZz | a) for a request on the mailinglist |
| 02:26.50 | buZz | b) for making a dockable cubie for on my lapdock |
| 02:27.02 | buZz | the request was for a case with 2.5" hd mounting |
| 02:27.21 | buZz | somewhere in Q1 2013 i will post a case with space for a hdd |
| 02:27.27 | buZz | for now, just a simple case |
| 02:27.38 | jammi | ok, if I'm to add a 2.5", it'll probably be at the bottom of the stack |
| 02:27.46 | buZz | yeah |
| 02:27.52 | buZz | but thats ugly with the current case |
| 02:28.15 | jammi | I'll go with an expansion board next. if someone else want to participate, I'm fine with an open project regarding that |
| 02:28.17 | buZz | would just like something you slide a 2.5¨ hdd into |
| 02:28.30 | buZz | well, if you need a case for it, send me a beta board :) |
| 02:28.34 | jammi | I'm thinking more of a cuboid case |
| 02:28.54 | jammi | batteries filling out the on the side to make it square |
| 02:28.55 | buZz | i now have a good 'cubieboard mold' to model any case around |
| 02:29.09 | buZz | could include 18650 battery holder |
| 02:29.32 | jammi | yeah, that's a good idea. a small cubie-purposed power management board for 18650's would be nice too |
| 02:29.45 | buZz | thats beyond my skill ;) |
| 02:29.52 | jammi | maybe as a part of the expansion board |
| 02:29.53 | buZz | i would just use http://www.ti.com/product/pth08080w |
| 02:30.02 | jammi | there are plenty of reference designs for that online |
| 02:30.28 | jammi | not cubie-specific, but li-ion -specific |
| 02:31.39 | [7] | does the cubie strictly need 5V? |
| 02:32.02 | [7] | or can most of the electronics (besides USB and the HDD) been hacked to run on 3.0-4.2V? |
| 02:32.09 | [7] | just like on the rpi or panda |
| 02:33.27 | jammi | I think it would make sense to have regulated 5V at any time. not terribly hard to do |
| 02:33.55 | jammi | even with a single cell source, using an voltage doubler before regulation |
| 02:34.03 | [7] | jammi: but stepping up to 5V and back down again will lose about 30% of efficiency |
| 02:34.20 | jammi | not neccessarily? |
| 02:34.53 | [7] | so if the electronics inside are constructed for li-ion supply anyway, and have some stepdown or even LDO in front of them, there's no point in running that off a 5V rail |
| 02:35.20 | jammi | switched voltage doubling should be fairly efficient, powering up two caps in parallel, then switching them to series to charge a third one supplying the power, then back to parallel etc |
| 02:35.21 | [7] | it sure does make sense to *have* a regulated 5V rail, but usually the bulk of current shouldn't be drawn from that in a battery operated system |
| 02:36.04 | jammi | and then driving regulated power from the third cap |
| 02:36.11 | [7] | have fun constructing such a charge pump that delivers sufficient current |
| 02:36.29 | jammi | I will, I need to do that for my ev project too |
| 02:36.44 | [7] | a simple inductor based step-up seems more adequate for these currents |
| 02:37.28 | [7] | especially if you'd have to put a step-down after that doubler |
| 02:37.38 | jammi | planning an variable-frequency drive (inverter) with a couple of friends, M3/M4 -based |
| 02:38.23 | jammi | and having such doubling from the battery pack before inverting and to place the load on a set of supercaps instead of the battery |
| 02:38.49 | jammi | supercap bank also for regen storage |
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| 02:39.32 | jammi | however, some hefty half-bridges need to be designed for the ev stuff |
| 02:39.48 | [7] | why would you use a charge pump in favor over a regular step-up for that? and what kind of current are you planning to push through that charge pump? |
| 02:40.04 | jammi | hundreds of amps |
| 02:40.10 | [7] | through a charge pump? |
| 02:40.23 | jammi | not a single one |
| 02:40.34 | jammi | it remains to be seen how many are needed |
| 02:41.05 | [7] | why do you favor a charge pump design over a regular step-up? |
| 02:42.04 | jammi | there's something fascinating about the simplicity and digital-ness of it |
| 02:43.20 | jammi | or well, a regular step-up is simpler |
| 02:43.48 | jammi | anyway, I just want to try it |
| 02:46.17 | [7] | ok, that's the best pro-side argument that I've heard so far :) |
| 02:46.48 | jammi | experimenting is fun |
| 02:55.48 | buZz | ha |
| 02:55.52 | buZz | final cubieboard model is done; http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:39337 |
| 02:58.06 | jammi | nice |
| 03:01.04 | jammi | the ir transponder sticks out like a sore thumb, just like on a real cubie |
| 03:03.07 | buZz | yeah no clue wtf to do with it |
| 03:03.08 | jammi | someone should get a set of photos for fixing that; first bend the board-side of the legs 90° towards the edge, flush with the board. second bend the legs on the transponder side 90° up |
| 03:03.20 | buZz | in my own case i just have it encased totally |
| 03:03.50 | jammi | I did it like that on my second, on the first I desoldered, cut and resoldered the legs |
| 03:03.51 | buZz | not sure, but i think IR light just passes through this plastic |
| 03:04.09 | jammi | which was more work, but a better result |
| 03:04.59 | jammi | but it's not bad having it stick out on the edge either, it's worse having it being too high |
| 03:05.40 | jammi | the lower profile allows using the shorter standoff screws on the component side |
| 03:05.53 | jammi | and the expansion side too |
| 03:06.02 | jammi | which makes it symmetric and nice |
| 03:06.18 | buZz | i just want to whole board encased in a blob of plastic :) |
| 03:06.31 | buZz | no greasy fingers on pcb etc |
| 03:06.31 | jammi | also prevents the sata cable lock issues and issues placing the serial header cables, sata power etc thru the case holes |
| 03:08.12 | jammi | that's how I set up mine: http://imgur.com/a/9AZOy |
| 03:08.35 | jammi | the bottom pic is what both of them are in the current state, I'm saving the longer standoffs for the io-expansion board |
| 03:09.47 | jammi | I think the longer were included to have on the component side |
| 03:16.49 | buZz | nice |
| 03:16.56 | buZz | but i like the top to be flush |
| 03:17.06 | buZz | also ethernet etc |
| 03:19.53 | jammi | ah, I like having the ethernet/usb stand out a bit. good pieces for grounding yourself while handling it |
| 03:20.24 | jammi | updated the album with text descriptions |
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| 03:24.20 | jammi | I think I'll start the expansion board design with the physical dimensions and connector placement, then drawing the header locations, then figuring out how to route everything for the straight-forward stuff, then see how much space is left over for additional circuitry |
| 03:29.50 | buZz | :) |
| 03:30.06 | buZz | meh |
| 03:30.33 | buZz | seems this nut library i am using is supporting clearance on everything BESIDE the type of nuttrap i want to use |
| 03:30.36 | buZz | >_< |
| 03:31.09 | jammi | that's the AC motor I'm going to use for the testing of the variable frequency drive stuff I mentioned earlier: http://imgur.com/a/XB5Nz |
| 03:31.48 | jammi | after I get that small motor working, I'll scale up the design maybe to 1kW, then 10kW and then 100kW to meet the design target to drive a car |
| 03:32.19 | buZz | awesome :) |
| 03:33.24 | jammi | I guess I had some luck finding that motor. cost me 20€ brand new, and I was looking for a 100W-ish motor and found exactly that |
| 03:35.20 | jammi | it's much easier to find higher-power ones |
| 03:35.44 | jammi | local ebay-like auction site |
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| 03:49.07 | jammi | btw, this is still the best ATX-pc case layout IMO: http://imgur.com/a/lejMu |
| 03:49.43 | jammi | would be awesome in aluminium and some fine-tuning of the details |
| 03:50.55 | jammi | I've always preferred connector side in front, power in back |
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| 04:17.12 | buZz | i like BTX cases |
| 04:17.15 | buZz | just one airflow |
| 04:17.19 | jammi | yes |
| 04:17.35 | jammi | I also like the Mac Pro case, which is BTX-ish |
| 04:17.38 | buZz | working on a BTX now |
| 04:17.56 | buZz | just soooooo silent |
| 04:17.59 | jammi | yes |
| 04:18.07 | jammi | and GPU's are mounted the right way up :) |
| 04:18.22 | buZz | :P |
| 04:18.31 | buZz | well, this GPU is internal in the processor |
| 04:19.01 | jammi | btw, let's see what the future expansion bus will be for arm machines |
| 04:19.54 | jammi | thunderbolt would be nice, could also drive costs down for thunderbolt to pcie adapters |
| 04:20.18 | jammi | (which are insanely expensive at the moment, btw) |
| 04:21.07 | buZz | yeah can imagine .. |
| 04:21.39 | jammi | imo, the gpu should be on the display side, not the computer side |
| 04:22.32 | jammi | with the upcoming mainstream high-res displays, the bandwidth between the display and display adapter is going to be more than between cpu and gpu |
| 04:22.44 | jammi | ..in most cases |
| 04:23.11 | jammi | and thunderbolt/dp addresses that fairly cleanly |
| 04:24.39 | jammi | I was quite surprised to see the benchmarks of gpu's connected to the external pcie cases, connected to the computer via thunderbolt. just a minor drop in performance, and that would be fixed by a thunderbolt revision, doubling its bandwidth or such |
| 04:25.12 | jammi | basically the same as a gpu in a 4x pcie slot on the motherboard |
| 04:26.21 | jammi | of course hdmi will still be good to have for tv's and other low-res equipment |
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| 06:24.49 | Turl | jammi: the GPUs seem to be moving the inverse way, nearer and nearer to the CPU |
| 06:25.39 | jammi | Turl: yes, but but not for the sake of driving the monitor; rather for utilizing the processing of them |
| 06:26.09 | jammi | I foresee they'll soonish split into two things: one for graphics, another for computing |
| 06:26.12 | Turl | if you want to process stuff, there's usually better platforms than GPUs |
| 06:26.37 | Turl | the processing stuff on GPUs is an afterthought |
| 06:26.50 | jammi | yes, which is why it'll separate sooner or later |
| 06:28.00 | Turl | I guess stuff like http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone will take the place of GPUs in the long run |
| 06:28.14 | jammi | for just displaying the graphics on the screen, a bit more than a framebuffer is needed for it being efficient, but all the parallel math problems is the most efficient as near the cpu as possible |
| 06:28.55 | jammi | oh, they met the goal. nice |
| 06:30.04 | jammi | anyway, I think there'll exist some form of gpu's on the display's end, handling whatever primitives are needed for actual display |
| 06:30.32 | jammi | including 3D, compositing 2D and enough memory |
| 06:30.38 | Turl | I don't think that would be much efficient |
| 06:30.59 | Turl | you'd need a crapton of low latency, high bandwidth for all the textures and such |
| 06:31.07 | jammi | think of the bandwidths required for let's say a 4k or 8k monitor |
| 06:31.30 | jammi | you'll want to minimize the stuff going over the long wire |
| 06:33.25 | Turl | yeah but I'm guessing that copying textures back and forth from main memory to the GPU-ized display would kill performance |
| 06:35.01 | jammi | which is why you need the texture memory on the graphics side |
| 06:35.33 | jammi | it's still less than the tens of megapixels needed to be drawn at >60Hz |
| 06:35.36 | Turl | on the graphics (monitor) or the graphics (host)? |
| 06:36.05 | jammi | monitor grahpics, the host would be just the parallel calculator |
| 06:36.21 | Turl | consider the texture is on a hard disk on the host |
| 06:36.36 | jammi | yeah, but dram is cheap |
| 06:36.57 | Turl | you need to push a huge texture to the other side to draw a car |
| 06:36.58 | Turl | over the long wire |
| 06:36.58 | Turl | repeat over and over |
| 06:37.30 | Turl | and you need to do so quickly, because there's another texture behind it waiting to be pushed over the wire |
| 06:38.16 | jammi | also, 16bit rgb will come sooner or later to monitors, it's just doubling the bandwidth needs, but still |
| 06:40.02 | Turl | 1920 * 1080 * 60 * (4 bytes) = 3.70788574 Gigabits |
| 06:40.06 | Turl | it's not that bad |
| 06:40.41 | jammi | yes, for low-res like that |
| 06:41.08 | jammi | try 8192x6554 |
| 06:41.18 | jammi | or 3840x2400 |
| 06:41.30 | jammi | and then 120Hz minimum for 3D |
| 06:42.01 | Turl | there's not even commercially available 4K devices yet |
| 06:42.34 | jammi | there were a decade ago, and are just postponed since the hdtv craze |
| 06:43.25 | jammi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_T220/T221_LCD_monitors |
| 06:43.38 | jammi | I've had one of those for a long time already |
| 06:43.49 | jammi | and still bandwidth-crippled by the current display interfaces |
| 06:44.51 | Turl | (consumer grade) |
| 06:45.16 | Turl | http://cdn.avsforum.com/4/4c/600x376px-LL-4cd4431b_200ppdengleski.png too bad they used feet |
| 06:45.18 | jammi | 2880x1800 on my laptop too, at 15". the 4k and 8k demand is there for desktop-monitor sizes |
| 06:45.40 | jammi | Turl: well, it was prosumer/pro back then |
| 06:46.33 | jammi | the viewsonic ones were like $2k or so, definitely prosumer-class, but so were 1920x1200 back then |
| 06:47.09 | jammi | what was missing, though, was gpu's able to supply enough bandwidth |
| 06:47.30 | jammi | and that's per se not an issue nowadays, but the link between gpu and display is |
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| 06:50.07 | Turl | jammi: supposedly Thunderbolt/"Light Peak" would be able to handle it |
| 06:50.21 | jammi | even in the tv class, 1080p is the "new 720p" within a couple of years |
| 06:50.42 | jammi | Turl: yes, barely |
| 06:51.42 | jammi | the thing is, though, that I think thunderbolt would be more efficient as the pcie extension cord it is, and placing the gpu on the monitor side, even with current tech, for high resolutions and fast refreshes |
| 06:53.48 | jammi | (light peak was just the code name, intel dropped it and went with thunderbolt, when they reverted to copper for the initial revision) |
| 06:53.58 | Turl | you might as well move the cpu too - all in one :P |
| 06:54.38 | jammi | that won't work so well with multi-monitor setups |
| 06:55.43 | jammi | but yeah, displays will become much smarter than they currently are |
| 06:56.19 | Turl | thinks "smart tv" |
| 06:57.18 | jammi | yeah, it's inevitable |
| 06:57.47 | jammi | kinda like tablets are the portable all-in-ones |
| 06:57.57 | jammi | and phones are small tablets |
| 06:58.00 | Turl | my monitors at home run linux and ffmpeg and other software |
| 06:59.17 | Turl | they are over the air digital tv-enabled monitors with a usb port to play multimedia |
| 07:00.44 | jammi | yes, over the air is pretty neat. my tv is airplay-enabled, and has a cubieboard on the other hdmi input |
| 07:01.18 | jammi | it doesn't have a tuner, though, and won't |
| 07:03.34 | Turl | jammi: with over the air I meant ISDB-Tb |
| 07:03.57 | Turl | not airplay or miracast or such |
| 07:04.53 | jammi | ok |
| 07:05.32 | jammi | anyway, thinking of it, I think I could do with a single 16:10 8k 40"-ish monitor |
| 07:06.35 | jammi | or even lesser aspect ratios, like down to 2:1 if it was curved inwards |
| 07:07.29 | jammi | probably no need for multi-monitoring, if a large display can have enough density |
| 07:08.35 | jammi | would fill the view of vision and moving stuff on-screen is lesser effort than turning the head |
| 07:09.37 | jammi | such a setup might be the "imac" of 2020 |
| 07:10.11 | jammi | maybe earlier for some pro stuff |
| 07:10.59 | jammi | meanwhile, cell phones will probably have a race towards tinyness again, with hud-headsets standard |
| 07:13.10 | jammi | and only old people remember what x86 was |
| 07:15.36 | Turl | :) |
| 07:15.50 | Turl | good night |
| 07:16.36 | jammi | nite |
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| 12:55.29 | QingPei | 这么多人？ |
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| 14:05.08 | jammi | 是的，很多 |
| 14:08.17 | QingPei | 了解CB可以上什么USB网卡么？ |
| 14:08.49 | hipboi | 怎么有中文？ |
| 14:08.56 | hipboi | Chinese! |
| 14:09.34 | hipboi | yes, there are usb wifi module for CB |
| 14:09.37 | jammi | USB适配器？ |
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| 14:10.02 | JoeL2 | 5 cubieboards on ebay now |
| 14:10.13 | QingPei | ok, switch to English |
| 14:10.24 | jammi | yes, google translate is a bit boring :) |
| 14:10.30 | pidpawel | :) |
| 14:10.55 | pidpawel | are there any emails sent when cubie is beeing sent? |
| 14:11.01 | f1r3 | too late for christmas |
| 14:11.30 | TheSeven | i got address confirmation mails some days ago |
| 14:11.39 | jammi | pidpawel: yes, but I got my email almost a week after it was sent. the courier tried to reach me a day before that |
| 14:12.11 | pidpawel | pff. little bit too late |
| 14:13.16 | pidpawel | i have a standard shipping package so ill be probably able to receive at post office if such situation happens |
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| 18:16.49 | qermit | o/ |
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