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| 02:49.44 | xavierchen | hello |
| 02:50.18 | xavierchen | is anybody here |
| 02:54.04 | ganbold | AW_GPB(16) is this a pin address that powers usb? |
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| 05:41.55 | ganbold | hno: what does do gpio_direction_output? do we need to pull down before setting gpio pin for output? |
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| 12:09.56 | buZz | ah |
| 12:10.02 | buZz | there is a cubieboard reseller coming soon |
| 12:10.04 | buZz | probably |
| 12:10.18 | buZz | only then will all the preorder emails be sent |
| 12:15.31 | mnemoc | both, aliexpress and indiegogo are too expensive for the CB on the long run... hipboi will surely need to find a better alternative |
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| 12:21.49 | mnemoc | http://www.shopify.com/ looks nice |
| 12:22.21 | buZz | Tom just mailed me some party's name |
| 12:22.28 | buZz | not sure if i could share it .. |
| 12:23.00 | mnemoc | country? |
| 12:23.46 | ganbold_ | mnemoc: do you know which pin powers USB1 or USB2? |
| 12:25.02 | mnemoc | usb is usually +5V, D+, D-, Gnd |
| 12:26.48 | mnemoc | page 9 of the schematics shows the wiring |
| 12:27.12 | buZz | we should really just make a proper table of the GPIO |
| 12:27.43 | mnemoc | http://linux-sunxi.org/A10/PIO#PD10 <--- added per-pin anchors last night |
| 12:27.55 | buZz | yeah, but those arent cubie specific |
| 12:27.55 | mnemoc | PA,PB and PC still pending |
| 12:28.23 | mnemoc | http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard#Expansion_ports links the corresponding pins |
| 12:28.24 | buZz | i mean the cubie specific ones, like which pin is CVBS etc |
| 12:28.46 | buZz | ah |
| 12:28.46 | mnemoc | yes, that particular block still unmapped |
| 12:28.47 | buZz | i see |
| 12:28.49 | buZz | :P |
| 12:29.03 | buZz | this list is pretty good |
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| 12:30.31 | FGDGFD | w cobie board |
| 12:30.56 | buZz | cobie |
| 12:30.58 | buZz | :P |
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| 12:35.58 | ganbold_ | mnemoc: but fex file says PH06 for usb1, sunxi-linux source says PB16, I'm confused |
| 12:38.21 | mnemoc | for what of usb1? |
| 12:39.14 | ganbold_ | mnemoc, in boots freebsd USB is not powered |
| 12:39.22 | ganbold_ | when booting freebsd |
| 12:40.30 | mnemoc | neither PH6 or PB16 seems USB related to me |
| 12:40.41 | mnemoc | unless used as an enabler output |
| 12:41.33 | ganbold_ | mnemoc: so usb_drv_vbus_gpio = port:PH06<1><0><default><0> is what for? |
| 12:42.12 | mnemoc | the mux 1 is "output" |
| 12:42.56 | ganbold_ | so then which pin is it? |
| 12:43.13 | ganbold_ | and then https://github.com/myfluxi/linux-sunxi/blob/sunxi-3.0/drivers/usb/sun4i_usb/hcd/hcd0/sw_hcd0.c here it says PIOB16 |
| 12:43.31 | SquirrelCZECH | huh |
| 12:43.47 | SquirrelCZECH | is "pig" |
| 12:43.52 | mnemoc | ganbold_: and where is that define used? |
| 12:43.58 | mnemoc | ganbold_: looks as garbage to me |
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| 12:44.09 | ganbold_ | hm |
| 12:44.12 | SquirrelCZECH | maybe it's bad idea to attach 500mA wifi usb adapter to cubie powered by only usb ? :D |
| 12:44.24 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: indeed |
| 12:44.26 | SquirrelCZECH | wanted long-range wifi... |
| 12:44.34 | ganbold_ | mnemoc: so which is real pin? :) |
| 12:44.44 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 12:44.51 | SquirrelCZECH | really need to get some good usb hub |
| 12:44.54 | mnemoc | ganbold_: .fex wins |
| 12:45.09 | mnemoc | ganbold_: this is a PCB specific detail, can't be hardcoded |
| 12:45.24 | ganbold_ | so PH06 mux1? |
| 12:46.13 | SquirrelCZECH | but linux is clever |
| 12:46.23 | SquirrelCZECH | adapter checked for power, after that he refused to work |
| 12:46.25 | SquirrelCZECH | clever adapter |
| 12:47.02 | mnemoc | ganbold_: yes |
| 12:48.26 | ganbold_ | so how to pass that mux1 and get address? I mean SUNXI_GPH(6) gets address of PH6, but mux1 |
| 12:52.20 | ganbold_ | and http://linux-sunxi.org/A10/PIO no mux1 mentioned |
| 12:52.36 | mnemoc | mux0 is always input, mux1 is always output |
| 12:52.47 | ganbold_ | :) |
| 12:53.03 | mnemoc | ganbold_: see https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/blob/7d29dffb1211a2751577e51f2800254457851626/drivers/pinctrl/pinctrl-sunxi.c for details on how to play with the PIO register |
| 12:53.15 | mnemoc | old incomplete code, but good enough as reference |
| 12:55.08 | ganbold_ | mnemoc: I was looking at https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/blob/lichee/lichee-dev/arch/arm/cpu/armv7/sunxi/gpio.c |
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| 12:55.45 | mnemoc | ganbold_: sunxi-current has cleaner code |
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| 12:56.26 | mnemoc | ganbold_: uboot-allwinner branch I mean |
| 12:56.33 | SquirrelCZECH | anyway folks, how are you? :-) |
| 12:56.57 | mnemoc | leaving to find some food :p |
| 12:57.25 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 12:57.47 | buZz | meh meh meh |
| 12:57.59 | buZz | ok i'll just make ALL the connectors bigger |
| 12:58.03 | SquirrelCZECH | ? |
| 12:58.10 | buZz | silly drawing nor representing the real world >_< |
| 12:58.13 | buZz | not* |
| 12:59.41 | mnemoc | remember it's 2mm pitch, not 0.1" |
| 13:00.12 | mnemoc | annoying header, but only choice to keep the board small |
| 13:00.23 | buZz | ah no, i dont need the header |
| 13:00.29 | buZz | at least not for now |
| 13:00.38 | buZz | i just have the pins exposed on the bottom of the case |
| 13:00.38 | mnemoc | home they sell ribbon cables soon |
| 13:00.46 | mnemoc | ok |
| 13:00.52 | mnemoc | s/home/hope/ |
| 13:00.54 | mnemoc | bbl |
| 13:01.11 | ganbold_ | mnemoc: which tree you mean? |
| 13:02.09 | mnemoc | uboot-allwinner has a sunxi-current branch, cleaned and in shape for mainlining |
| 13:02.19 | mnemoc | lichee-dev is allwinner legacy |
| 13:02.36 | mnemoc | just enough to let people drop in a free u-boot.bin in nanda |
| 13:04.34 | ganbold_ | can you give me URL? |
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| 13:05.47 | mnemoc | same https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner as you already have |
| 13:05.51 | mnemoc | but different branch |
| 13:06.04 | mnemoc | sunxi-current instead of lichee/ |
| 13:06.28 | mnemoc | it's the default branch of hno's tree |
| 13:07.43 | mnemoc | back in 10m |
| 13:08.54 | ganbold_ | so https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/tree/sunxi this one I guess |
| 13:09.38 | ganbold_ | ah found |
| 13:15.15 | buZz | ooo, cubieboard has YPbBr aswell? |
| 13:15.17 | buZz | fancy |
| 13:16.51 | buZz | but, is SVideo also available on the GPIO? |
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| 13:25.10 | mnemoc | ganbold_: sunxi-current, not sunxi :) |
| 13:26.38 | mnemoc | buZz: the next PCB is supposed to come with extra headers to expose more A10 greatness |
| 13:28.52 | buZz | fancy |
| 13:34.06 | tinti | mnemoc: yesterday I received an address confirmation mail :) |
| 13:35.49 | mnemoc | tinti: congrants :) |
| 13:37.12 | mnemoc | buZz: the A10 is an amazing SoC. unfortunatelly no one is exposing all it's power yet |
| 13:37.27 | mnemoc | even allwinner fails at it |
| 13:37.43 | RaYmAn | sometimes you have to wonder if they even know how it works :P |
| 13:39.22 | mnemoc | *g* |
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| 13:42.04 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 13:44.25 | SquirrelCZECH | guys! if I can ask, don't you have a link to a wikipage: "how to create own kernel" ? |
| 13:44.47 | SquirrelCZECH | needs to do it, because his actual sort of miss his webcam drivers |
| 13:48.03 | jammi | I think there could be demand for a cubie-variation that exposed more of the gpio pins rather than (or in addition to) the lvds/ide header |
| 13:48.30 | mnemoc | keeping expansion-compatibility is important |
| 13:48.49 | mnemoc | any more-pins variants needs to be done with an extra row of headers |
| 13:49.08 | jammi | yeah, so it would mean in addition to |
| 13:50.13 | mnemoc | it would also be awesome to have pins for one of the usb hosts |
| 13:50.49 | mnemoc | or both |
| 13:51.08 | jammi | for those of us who aren't so interested in a small linux-multimedia setup as something of a "macrocontroller", possibly running bare metal or a realtime os |
| 13:51.55 | ganbold_ | mnemoc: so u32 mux[4]; means first 4 muxes, mux[0] is input and mux[1] is output, correct? |
| 13:51.58 | jammi | yet the convenience of what's already on the board |
| 13:52.39 | mnemoc | ganbold_: no, the mux values are encoded |
| 13:52.45 | mnemoc | ganbold_: for the whole bank |
| 13:53.22 | jammi | btw, how long would it take to produce "cubieboard plus", with an A20 in the place of A10? |
| 13:53.35 | mnemoc | jammi: allwinner doesn't sell A20 samples yet |
| 13:53.57 | jammi | ok, so I guess as soon as they so? |
| 13:54.13 | mnemoc | jammi: also pin compatibility doesn't same anything about software compatibility |
| 13:54.15 | ganbold_ | mnemoc: then return (pio->mux[index]>>offset)&0x7; what mux does it return? |
| 13:54.53 | mnemoc | ganbold_: that is to take the 3 bits corresponding to the pin translated into an (index,offset) pair |
| 13:55.30 | jammi | mnemoc: yeah, that's true. otoh, will provide demand for more hw abstraction in the arm os's and the bootloaders |
| 13:55.55 | mnemoc | jammi: unfortunatelly allwinner management doesn't give a *censored* about it |
| 13:56.00 | jammi | which will eventually be a good thing |
| 13:56.26 | mnemoc | jammi: they (and most of their customers) and happy with the GPL violating SDKs they provide for cheap android tablets |
| 13:56.42 | mnemoc | s/and happy/are happy/ |
| 13:57.01 | jammi | rbot? |
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| 13:58.13 | jammi | no, infobot apparently |
| 13:58.19 | mnemoc | yes, infobot |
| 13:58.35 | ganbold_ | mnemoc: so like if 010 then does it mean mux2? |
| 13:59.57 | jammi | yeah, but there will be hackers figuring stuff out. it's like 1995 again, just another platform |
| 14:00.44 | jammi | the windows-pc's were a varied bunch back then for non-msdos use |
| 14:01.21 | buZz | ibot? |
| 14:01.24 | buZz | ibot: help |
| 14:01.30 | buZz | ah! |
| 14:01.36 | jammi | lots of random x86 clones and their chipsets, each requiring some work-arounds |
| 14:02.30 | mnemoc | ganbold_: 0b010 means 2, yes :p |
| 14:03.01 | jammi | I don't have fond memories of cyrix cpu's, for instance, but they sure had some bang/buck |
| 14:03.59 | buZz | for that time, they were awesome |
| 14:04.08 | jammi | and they ran windows fine, which was the android equivalent of that era |
| 14:04.09 | buZz | didnt IBM buy up Cyrix? |
| 14:04.44 | jammi | either they bought it, or at least manufactured their chips |
| 14:05.02 | buZz | i have good memories back to the K6-3 series |
| 14:05.05 | buZz | that was pretty fast |
| 14:05.24 | jammi | yes, k6-2/3 were awesome |
| 14:05.34 | mnemoc | ganbold_: the `pio` and `gpio` toys in sunxi-tools can help you to play with the PIO registers from FEL |
| 14:06.05 | jammi | much faster than celerons twice the price on p2 chipsets |
| 14:07.39 | jammi | the k5/k6 were buggy, though. cyrix 586 was worse, iirc. |
| 14:08.16 | jammi | there are probably still patches for them in the linux kernel |
| 14:10.11 | jammi | the 486's worked better afaik, but I didn't have one of them, just went with intel for socket5 stuff |
| 14:18.34 | ganbold_ | mnemoc: I mean, if last 3 bit is 010 then mux2 is set, correct? |
| 14:20.44 | mnemoc | ganbold_: after >>offset, yes |
| 14:26.29 | ganbold_ | mnemoc: looks like getting closer to understand :D |
| 14:27.09 | jammi | anyhow, chip manufacturers and their customers will only care about bang/buck/watt for a while |
| 14:29.34 | jammi | at some point. the software compatibility will play a role, but only after some software becomes important for that, like msdos/windows on x86. so far, with just android demand, I guess the software patches are cheaper |
| 14:33.22 | jammi | ah, it has a powervr instead of mali |
| 14:34.06 | mnemoc | considering the license android and linux drivers separatedly, forget about ever using that GPU on linux |
| 14:34.40 | mnemoc | android-focused manufacturers won't ever pay extra to support linux |
| 14:35.40 | jammi | yeah, maybe not ever.. amd is about to enter the market too |
| 14:37.15 | jammi | it might become a competitive benefit, when big name integrators get serious about arm laptops and such |
| 14:37.31 | mnemoc | uefi locked for windows only |
| 14:38.27 | mnemoc | ganbold_: http://linux-sunxi.org/FreeBSD feels lonely |
| 14:38.39 | ganbold_ | mnemoc: right, what does https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/blob/sunxi-current/arch/arm/cpu/armv7/sunxi/pinmux.c |
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| 14:39.10 | ganbold_ | mnemoc: I'm trying to boot freebsd, and it boots, but now need to power usb to test ehci driver |
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| 15:14.16 | buZz | does test #6 of cubieboard case :P |
| 15:14.27 | buZz | loves iterative design |
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| 16:14.22 | E1ven | I know this is a newbie type question, but the FAQ didn't answer it that I could see; When is the next round of orders for Cubieboards going in? |
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| 16:15.04 | mnemoc | E1ven: the aliexpress shop is open, for shipping in 45d |
| 16:15.20 | E1ven | Thanks! |
| 16:15.52 | mnemoc | http://www.aliexpress.com/store/511685 |
| 16:17.50 | E1ven | Thanks - That lists a couple of variations - http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/cubieboard-1GB-2012-9-9-revision/511685_721644583.html is only $49. Is the difference what accessories it comes with? |
| 16:18.28 | mnemoc | $49 + shipping |
| 16:18.33 | mnemoc | that's the normal price |
| 16:19.09 | E1ven | Right. Thanks. Just saw a few other variations there for 79/etc, but it looks like those come with cables/power supplies/etc. |
| 16:19.09 | mnemoc | the basic package comes with a DC and sata cable |
| 16:19.39 | mnemoc | the "rich" thing includes the uart cable and a simple case |
| 16:19.50 | mnemoc | and assuming fancy courier |
| 16:19.55 | mnemoc | assumes* |
| 16:20.03 | E1ven | Cool. Thanks! ;) |
| 16:21.02 | pidpawel | btw is there a chance to buy simple case now? |
| 16:21.37 | SquirrelCZECH | maybe simpler would to create one |
| 16:21.58 | SquirrelCZECH | would be |
| 16:22.14 | pidpawel | hmm. i havent thought about about it :> |
| 16:22.26 | SquirrelCZECH | pidpawel: it depends on your skill, there are dimensions ib the cubieboard.org |
| 16:22.28 | mnemoc | pidpawel: it's there on aliexpress |
| 16:22.47 | mnemoc | buZz is designing a fancy case |
| 16:22.57 | mnemoc | for 3d printing |
| 16:23.08 | SquirrelCZECH | that's maybe the best option :D |
| 16:23.28 | SquirrelCZECH | loves that one which is in rich packaged |
| 16:23.34 | SquirrelCZECH | *package |
| 16:23.55 | pidpawel | hmm. there are some 3d printing maniacs here in Krakow |
| 16:24.03 | pidpawel | maybe ill better talk to them :) |
| 16:24.11 | SquirrelCZECH | yep, 3d are almost everywhere these days :D |
| 16:25.16 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: this is the "simple one" http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/cubieboard-a-simple-case/511685_634377460.html |
| 16:26.53 | SquirrelCZECH | yep, I have same, but I've metal posts? |
| 16:27.03 | SquirrelCZECH | doesn't know if post is the right word |
| 16:29.14 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: standoffs |
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| 16:30.49 | SquirrelCZECH | yep. that sounds better |
| 16:30.57 | mnemoc | :) |
| 16:51.04 | buZz | suppoooooooosedly |
| 16:51.12 | buZz | there is coming a reseller for cubie soonish |
| 16:56.06 | SquirrelCZECH | GREAT |
| 16:56.16 | SquirrelCZECH | only thing left are shields I suppose? :-) |
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| 17:13.21 | buZz | SquirrelCZECH: hehe i guess :P |
| 17:22.24 | SquirrelCZECH | anyway, haven't seen hipboy for a while |
| 17:22.29 | SquirrelCZECH | wanted to tell him "great job" |
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| 17:23.52 | buZz | yeah maybe he is avoiding irc atm ;) |
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| 18:03.13 | SquirrelCZECH | yep |
| 18:09.26 | mnemoc | his last visit he asked for the mascot contest... and didn't catch much attention :< .... |
| 18:09.34 | SquirrelCZECH | guys! can I blink with some of the leds which are on the board? |
| 18:09.49 | SquirrelCZECH | mnemoc: it's more like topic for forum :-/ |
| 18:10.39 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: on the "forum" (it's a mailing list) only vulcans anti-mascot/joy/logo answered ranting about it's uselessness |
| 18:12.08 | mnemoc | tom suggested a golden snub-nosed monkey <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinopithecus_roxellana> |
| 18:12.40 | mnemoc | it would be awesome if someone could make a mascotish representation of it and call it "the cubie" :) |
| 18:13.02 | SquirrelCZECH | yep. it would |
| 18:13.50 | SquirrelCZECH | but, to be honest, it looks great :D |
| 18:14.00 | SquirrelCZECH | http://wallstickers-decals.com/wp-content/uploads/store/products/images/57400356274946.jpg ? |
| 18:14.51 | mnemoc | search images for Sun Wukong too |
| 18:15.50 | SquirrelCZECH | "little monkey" looks definetly better :D |
| 18:17.37 | mnemoc | it's not any little monkey. the "golden snub-nosed monkey" is chinese specific and with mytholocal relevance ;-) |
| 18:18.52 | SquirrelCZECH | oh, didn't know that O:-) |
| 18:19.15 | SquirrelCZECH | but I would prefer pure golden snub-nosed monkey |
| 18:19.23 | mnemoc | sure |
| 18:19.37 | SquirrelCZECH | on the other hand |
| 18:19.41 | SquirrelCZECH | if cubieboard is cubieboard |
| 18:19.48 | mnemoc | i tend to like humanoid representations of animals |
| 18:20.14 | mnemoc | but this monkey as-is looks awesome as a mascot |
| 18:20.23 | SquirrelCZECH | maybe it would be more ... 'specific for the name' if some "cube" would be the logo of cubieboard :-) |
| 18:20.27 | SquirrelCZECH | mnemoc: yep |
| 18:20.54 | mnemoc | cubie is tom's westernized surname. coming from cutie, not from cube |
| 18:21.19 | SquirrelCZECH | but we are talking about mascot for small piece of something which is usually big (I think that most of people still consider cubieboard as PC) |
| 18:22.01 | SquirrelCZECH | so humanoid representation of animal doesn't exactly sound like "something which is usually big is small now) |
| 18:22.13 | SquirrelCZECH | mnemoc: ehm, don't want to be rude |
| 18:22.22 | SquirrelCZECH | but want to be honest... do you think that people would care? |
| 18:22.41 | SquirrelCZECH | thinks that it's great point, but tends to be realistic about people opinion |
| 18:22.44 | mnemoc | no, but cubes lead to awful logos |
| 18:23.01 | mnemoc | a cute mascot is far more versatile |
| 18:23.07 | SquirrelCZECH | yep |
| 18:23.25 | SquirrelCZECH | on the other hand, properly "designed" golden snub-nosed monkey is cute :D |
| 18:23.47 | SquirrelCZECH | maybe I could ask on some channels where are good designers... |
| 18:24.14 | mnemoc | please do |
| 18:24.19 | SquirrelCZECH | ok |
| 18:25.32 | mnemoc | if the mascot can be outlined to be stamped on the PCBs instead of the current awful deform shadowed square, much better :) |
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| 18:26.02 | SquirrelCZECH | yep, it's true |
| 18:26.09 | SquirrelCZECH | more like, could you give me more info? |
| 18:26.33 | SquirrelCZECH | you know.. "Create logo/mascot of Golden snub-nosed monkey" is not exactly... :D |
| 18:27.00 | mnemoc | my logos tend to be plain text :< |
| 18:27.06 | pidpawel | :D |
| 18:27.10 | pidpawel | ascii-art master? |
| 18:27.35 | mnemoc | ah, just a text... without any art |
| 18:27.43 | mnemoc | i suck badly on that field |
| 18:27.47 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 18:27.52 | SquirrelCZECH | mnemoc: same about logos |
| 18:27.59 | SquirrelCZECH | about desings, I tend to that simple one |
| 18:28.09 | SquirrelCZECH | (which is reason I favourited Metro UI on my web) |
| 18:30.04 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: imo the cubie's mascot should show it's chinese origin and somehow to show them as a piece of art instead of "cheap made-in-china junk" |
| 18:30.41 | SquirrelCZECH | http://89.103.45.58/ my simple web :-) |
| 18:30.50 | SquirrelCZECH | haven't worked on him for a while thought... |
| 18:30.53 | mnemoc | simple enough to not have a server name? :p |
| 18:31.07 | SquirrelCZECH | lazy to buy a domain :D |
| 18:31.24 | SquirrelCZECH | and I tend to not buy a domain unless there is Something on the web |
| 18:48.25 | buZz | .tk is free |
| 18:50.25 | buZz | fuck SquirrelCZECH |
| 18:50.34 | buZz | you SUCK at interface design |
| 18:50.48 | buZz | how do you expect people to scroll through your photos? |
| 18:51.10 | buZz | arrows dont work, scrollbar dont work, i just see a green scrollbar that (yep) doesnt work |
| 18:51.24 | mnemoc | the wheel of the mouse almost works |
| 18:51.36 | SquirrelCZECH | yep |
| 18:51.40 | SquirrelCZECH | it's actually only thing that works I know :D |
| 18:51.47 | mnemoc | *g* |
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| 18:51.53 | buZz | oh OFCOURSE |
| 18:51.54 | SquirrelCZECH | this is exactly the reason whyt it doesn't have domain |
| 18:52.05 | buZz | scrolling down lets it move left |
| 18:52.06 | buZz | wtf |
| 18:52.08 | SquirrelCZECH | because now it's obvious that it's in development |
| 18:52.22 | SquirrelCZECH | :-) |
| 18:52.50 | SquirrelCZECH | and of course I am gonna add arrows (keys + graphics) |
| 18:52.57 | SquirrelCZECH | and making that scrollbar useful |
| 18:53.07 | buZz | why not just let the webbrowser give the normal scrollbar |
| 18:53.15 | buZz | that way its also accessible |
| 18:53.44 | buZz | you know, blind ppl, deaf ppl, handicapped ppl... you might not care about them, but they do exist ;) |
| 18:54.24 | SquirrelCZECH | it's possible to make "version" for them |
| 18:54.43 | buZz | 'this door only for negroes' |
| 18:55.38 | SquirrelCZECH | you know, it's hard |
| 18:55.48 | SquirrelCZECH | because on one hand, standart scrollbar would be great of course |
| 18:55.54 | SquirrelCZECH | on the other hand, it would look terrible |
| 18:56.01 | buZz | for me its hard to imagine ppl that would want to reinvent every wheel |
| 18:56.03 | SquirrelCZECH | so, I want to create solution when both can exists |
| 18:56.52 | mnemoc | stop distracting him. we need a mascot! |
| 18:56.57 | buZz | oh right |
| 18:56.57 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 18:56.59 | buZz | sorry mnemoc :D |
| 18:57.05 | SquirrelCZECH | mnemoc: I send a message on the channel |
| 18:57.07 | buZz | i thought he didnt do design? |
| 18:57.09 | buZz | ;) |
| 18:57.19 | mnemoc | but he seems to know people who do |
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| 18:57.33 | SquirrelCZECH | and we spend like 50 messages talking about cubieboard |
| 18:57.41 | buZz | 50 per hour? |
| 18:57.41 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:57.45 | SquirrelCZECH | more like he was asking me about some info |
| 18:57.51 | SquirrelCZECH | :-) |
| 18:57.57 | buZz | hi Anton_ |
| 18:57.58 | SquirrelCZECH | at least new cubieboarder! :D |
| 18:59.06 | SquirrelCZECH | nah, moving to forum |
| 19:01.52 | SquirrelCZECH | mnemoc: so it should be logo? |
| 19:03.29 | SquirrelCZECH | and one thing |
| 19:03.38 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: two things. a mascot, and a logo with the mascot... but first the mascot :) |
| 19:04.30 | SquirrelCZECH | if I would get it from someone, I really would prefer that it would get on the page or something |
| 19:04.52 | SquirrelCZECH | you know, I woudln't like to trouble somebody and it would be for nothing... |
| 19:05.44 | mnemoc | you mean "credits" ? CC-BY? :) |
| 19:06.56 | SquirrelCZECH | no :D |
| 19:07.19 | SquirrelCZECH | but, I think that credist would be great and maybe the everything he can get.. |
| 19:07.27 | SquirrelCZECH | writes: opensource project |
| 19:08.26 | buZz | yay |
| 19:08.31 | buZz | tophalf of the case fits :D |
| 19:08.38 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 19:08.49 | SquirrelCZECH | buZz: pic it or it didn't happend :-P |
| 19:09.01 | buZz | wait for the bottom one to finish printing |
| 19:09.09 | mnemoc | adding credits and thanks in cubieboard.org and http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard is trivial and will happen. absolutely. |
| 19:09.16 | SquirrelCZECH | ok |
| 19:09.18 | buZz | if it fits, design will go to thingiverse with pictures and all |
| 19:09.33 | buZz | mnemoc: i think he means cubieboard.org |
| 19:09.54 | mnemoc | making a post about the mascot contest? |
| 19:11.10 | buZz | no, i think including the logo in the actual website design |
| 19:11.31 | mnemoc | that is part of the goal. yes |
| 19:11.50 | mnemoc | also embossing it in your case :p |
| 19:12.20 | SquirrelCZECH | hah |
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| 19:12.44 | SquirrelCZECH | ok, they told me no on forum :D (it's channel of GREAT php framework... full of good designers) |
| 19:12.55 | SquirrelCZECH | but got some tips on some forums ... |
| 19:13.00 | SquirrelCZECH | so, I will just do my best |
| 19:14.04 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: awesome. please post on the corresponding thread to "revive" the topic =) |
| 19:14.53 | buZz | hi hackkinen |
| 19:15.09 | SquirrelCZECH | ok |
| 19:16.20 | SquirrelCZECH | WHAT THE HELL? |
| 19:16.49 | SquirrelCZECH | ok, that forum definetly no |
| 19:17.15 | mnemoc | got insulted by the php apes? |
| 19:18.00 | SquirrelCZECH | nope |
| 19:18.14 | SquirrelCZECH | it's my native language specific |
| 19:18.31 | SquirrelCZECH | they force to use some parts of langauge... which needs my native language keyboard layout... |
| 19:18.49 | mnemoc | uh |
| 19:19.00 | buZz | force? |
| 19:19.10 | SquirrelCZECH | yep, can't send a post without using it |
| 19:19.19 | buZz | i always say, if you cant say it in 7bit ascii, its not worth communicating |
| 19:19.24 | mnemoc | "write proper czech or go away" |
| 19:19.31 | SquirrelCZECH | exactly |
| 19:19.36 | mnemoc | :) |
| 19:20.21 | SquirrelCZECH | š, ž, ť and others |
| 19:20.33 | SquirrelCZECH | really hate using that keyboard layout |
| 19:20.42 | buZz | thats all just wtf8 to me |
| 19:20.48 | qermit | i have ą ł ć |
| 19:21.00 | SquirrelCZECH | you know, I don't mind using it |
| 19:21.09 | SquirrelCZECH | but I hate when someone force me to do so |
| 19:21.17 | buZz | qermit: s/$/ohol/ |
| 19:21.19 | buZz | ;) |
| 19:22.13 | buZz | SquirrelCZECH: i hate 'native language only' fora anyway |
| 19:22.32 | SquirrelCZECH | I don't mind that :D |
| 19:22.38 | buZz | lock in of knowledge on arbitrary goverment set up borders |
| 19:22.57 | SquirrelCZECH | because it still easier for me to think in my native language than in english |
| 19:23.04 | buZz | you dont refuse knowledge when its in english |
| 19:23.13 | SquirrelCZECH | note that I am still 18 years old student.... |
| 19:23.15 | buZz | why would you refuse english people YOUR knowledge? |
| 19:23.24 | buZz | or rest of the world, for that matter |
| 19:23.24 | SquirrelCZECH | yep |
| 19:23.50 | buZz | our little dutch hackerspace does nearly all documentation in english for just this reason |
| 19:23.52 | SquirrelCZECH | I got your point :D |
| 19:23.55 | buZz | ;) |
| 19:24.04 | qermit | SquirrelCZECH: i'm with you. People should speak polish. |
| 19:24.04 | SquirrelCZECH | I would do the same about docs, wiki etc.. |
| 19:24.14 | qermit | runs |
| 19:24.17 | buZz | :P |
| 19:24.30 | buZz | well, i love learning ppl dutch |
| 19:24.35 | SquirrelCZECH | but for beginners it's easier to understand things in their native languages |
| 19:24.38 | SquirrelCZECH | ehm |
| 19:24.43 | SquirrelCZECH | qermit: I won't comment that |
| 19:24.58 | SquirrelCZECH | because seriously guy, everytime I met polish people... it was horrible |
| 19:25.01 | buZz | SquirrelCZECH: doubt that, native-language-errors also hardly give any google hits |
| 19:25.11 | buZz | oh, i have nice polish friends |
| 19:25.21 | SquirrelCZECH | buZz: yep, but if I want to explain something to beginner? :D |
| 19:25.58 | buZz | i dont see how replacing common names with 987349823798723 google hits with some czech name with 2 google hits would help anyone, beginner or pro |
| 19:26.13 | SquirrelCZECH | ? |
| 19:26.14 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 19:26.22 | SquirrelCZECH | it's not about errors anyway |
| 19:26.26 | SquirrelCZECH | they search english errors |
| 19:26.33 | SquirrelCZECH | but ask on czech forums for czech explanation |
| 19:26.40 | SquirrelCZECH | because they don't understand the english one |
| 19:26.53 | buZz | 'interface' -> almost 1 billion googlehits |
| 19:27.05 | buZz | 'schnittstelle' -> about 22 million |
| 19:27.20 | buZz | they should just learn better english :P |
| 19:27.31 | SquirrelCZECH | to the polish people: it's true that when I met them in my city (helped them with directions) or on local "national" races, it was good... but every time in some sort of online game or when I was skiing in Italy.... horrible |
| 19:27.40 | SquirrelCZECH | buZz: yep :-) |
| 19:27.40 | buZz | does czech dub english movies on TV? |
| 19:27.51 | buZz | replace spoken language with czech |
| 19:27.59 | buZz | because that sucks for language adoption |
| 19:28.15 | mnemoc | in .es it's mandated by law :< |
| 19:28.32 | SquirrelCZECH | yep, they dub everything |
| 19:28.36 | SquirrelCZECH | hmm |
| 19:28.37 | buZz | terrible |
| 19:28.43 | SquirrelCZECH | how I would say it |
| 19:28.45 | mnemoc | and online movie services (including google play) you can't see the movies in the original language |
| 19:28.53 | buZz | mnemoc: they even translate the movienames eh? |
| 19:29.05 | mnemoc | buZz: of course |
| 19:29.09 | buZz | what hell |
| 19:29.13 | mnemoc | and change the name of the characters |
| 19:29.19 | buZz | great way to promote nationalism though |
| 19:29.31 | SquirrelCZECH | if you would study our government and everything here ... you would figure out that in our country, our gov silently do everything for dumber population |
| 19:29.48 | SquirrelCZECH | even our tv programs and tv series.... are brainwashing your mind |
| 19:30.00 | mnemoc | the most disgusting is spiderman, which is pronounced even in the movies dialogs as "speederman" |
| 19:30.08 | buZz | ieuw |
| 19:30.16 | SquirrelCZECH | and our social system works like: more childrens you got, more poor you are, more money wi give you |
| 19:30.26 | SquirrelCZECH | *we |
| 19:30.41 | buZz | SquirrelCZECH: more money _per_ child? |
| 19:30.48 | buZz | or more money in total? |
| 19:30.54 | SquirrelCZECH | mor money per child |
| 19:30.54 | buZz | because the latter is basic socialism |
| 19:30.59 | buZz | wow, thats weird |
| 19:31.05 | buZz | pro-catholic, i bet |
| 19:31.08 | jammi | we have subtitles for everything, but dubbed nothing except children's programs (target age <8 or so) |
| 19:31.19 | SquirrelCZECH | hmm |
| 19:31.29 | mnemoc | .es gives no helps related to children count |
| 19:31.31 | buZz | jammi: in which country? |
| 19:31.32 | SquirrelCZECH | need to find some words in dictionary now |
| 19:31.34 | jammi | finland |
| 19:31.39 | buZz | nice |
| 19:31.43 | buZz | same here, netherlands |
| 19:31.48 | jammi | literacy rate probably >99% for the adult population |
| 19:32.12 | buZz | as it should :P |
| 19:32.16 | jammi | yes |
| 19:32.35 | buZz | jammi: how many languages did you learn in school? |
| 19:32.44 | SquirrelCZECH | in our local votes for "citi magistrates" (I think I can call it that way) on 1.place ended pure socialism political party and on 2.place were communism political party... |
| 19:32.45 | jammi | three |
| 19:32.47 | mnemoc | since 2013 the electricity bill will be geometrical, the most you consume the most you pay per watt, so so screw you families with more children |
| 19:32.50 | SquirrelCZECH | 50$ got both in total |
| 19:32.53 | jammi | finnish, swedish and english |
| 19:33.00 | buZz | cool |
| 19:33.08 | buZz | had dutch,english,german and french |
| 19:33.26 | jammi | those are the mandatory languages, optional ones would have been german, russian, french, etc |
| 19:33.26 | buZz | and one year also ancient greek and latin |
| 19:33.36 | buZz | these were all mandatory, yes |
| 19:33.49 | SquirrelCZECH | got czech + english and because he is on "gymnasium" ho got spanish |
| 19:33.52 | jammi | but I had to prioritize some other classes over those |
| 19:33.55 | SquirrelCZECH | *he |
| 19:34.06 | buZz | wish i had spanish at school :( |
| 19:34.36 | mnemoc | wish his daughters wheren't forced to learn the regional language over 70% of the school hours |
| 19:34.53 | mnemoc | f* useless nationalisms |
| 19:35.11 | SquirrelCZECH | wow, that's a lot |
| 19:35.41 | jammi | max budget of classes in elementary is lie 40h/week, so out of the optional, I chose "arts", "engineering" and "computers" instead of some extra languages |
| 19:35.51 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 19:35.53 | jammi | *is like |
| 19:36.09 | SquirrelCZECH | from optional selected: computers/advanced math |
| 19:36.26 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: every course beside spanish and english goes in the regional bullcrap |
| 19:36.34 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: retards |
| 19:36.43 | SquirrelCZECH | but computers only because I need that to be able to make "maturita" (it's afterschool "final test") from computers... |
| 19:36.52 | SquirrelCZECH | mnemoc: fu... |
| 19:36.56 | buZz | never was in school enough to even qualify for selecting optional classes :P |
| 19:37.03 | SquirrelCZECH | ? :D |
| 19:37.25 | buZz | i believe in selfeducation |
| 19:37.31 | SquirrelCZECH | me too |
| 19:37.34 | buZz | well, its just how i function |
| 19:37.45 | SquirrelCZECH | most of "usable" I know comes from the internet |
| 19:37.52 | jammi | so do I, but schools is for learning the basics right |
| 19:37.55 | SquirrelCZECH | and my hobbies |
| 19:37.58 | SquirrelCZECH | but! |
| 19:38.04 | buZz | jammi: i guess ;) |
| 19:38.10 | SquirrelCZECH | every social knowledged I have comes from school |
| 19:38.11 | buZz | learned basic when i was 6 |
| 19:38.13 | buZz | :P |
| 19:38.51 | SquirrelCZECH | it's more like: school for socializing and home for education |
| 19:39.04 | jammi | I wrote my first programs at age 7 or so |
| 19:39.09 | jammi | 1984, iirc |
| 19:39.11 | SquirrelCZECH | wow :D |
| 19:39.17 | SquirrelCZECH | is little bit worse |
| 19:39.39 | SquirrelCZECH | "computer camp" at age of 8/9 |
| 19:39.44 | jammi | at school we had pascal, c and c++ |
| 19:40.10 | SquirrelCZECH | at school I have excel, word, and in optional computers we are gonna to learn C# |
| 19:40.12 | jammi | which were nice additions to basic and 6502 and 68k assembly I knew beforehand |
| 19:40.26 | buZz | at school i was systemadminitrator when i was 13 .. i think |
| 19:40.31 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 19:40.37 | SquirrelCZECH | buZz: thought it's gonna be some |
| 19:40.39 | buZz | maybe 14 |
| 19:40.43 | SquirrelCZECH | but local admin is not dumb |
| 19:40.54 | buZz | our local admin was insanely dumb |
| 19:40.56 | jammi | I pity people who had to learn Java as their first language |
| 19:40.57 | SquirrelCZECH | or... most like every computer teach on my school is not dumb |
| 19:41.00 | SquirrelCZECH | and I am glad :D |
| 19:41.08 | buZz | we had a team of ~10 students doing all the work for him |
| 19:41.09 | SquirrelCZECH | *teacher |
| 19:41.14 | buZz | while he was getting paid to do it :P |
| 19:41.19 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 19:41.26 | SquirrelCZECH | is just helping |
| 19:42.07 | SquirrelCZECH | is on schools which tends to be "prestigious" ... so the try to find smart people |
| 19:42.15 | SquirrelCZECH | but, it's still bad |
| 19:42.30 | SquirrelCZECH | teachers are good, school system from our government it's more then terrible |
| 19:43.19 | jammi | btw, damn irritating to have a fresh debian install and waiting for the distupgrade to sid complete |
| 19:43.39 | SquirrelCZECH | and I only see like everything it's more dumber, more about learning it, but doesn't understanding it, and easier |
| 19:43.40 | jammi | capslock as capslock and other dumb defaults |
| 19:58.08 | SquirrelCZECH | nah |
| 19:58.24 | SquirrelCZECH | spend entire day avoiding writing critical part of his app |
| 19:58.25 | SquirrelCZECH | tests |
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| 20:07.40 | mnemoc | buZz: awutils still in alpha state? |
| 20:07.56 | mnemoc | s/:/: isn't / |
| 20:08.19 | buZz | does a thing like 'gamma state' exist for software like this? :P |
| 20:09.04 | mnemoc | sure |
| 20:09.44 | mnemoc | "does the job, but don't sue me it if fails" :p |
| 20:09.48 | mnemoc | is that the case? |
| 20:31.51 | buZz | mnemoc: i havent tried, thats why i didnt state as such :P |
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| 22:26.06 | pidpawel | does cubie have rtc? |
| 22:26.24 | mnemoc | yes. but no battery |
| 22:26.56 | pidpawel | so how long can it tick-tock without power? |
| 22:27.13 | pidpawel | does it have a capacitor or sth? |
| 22:27.23 | pidpawel | *rtc capacitor |
| 22:27.44 | mnemoc | it's inside the SoC |
| 22:29.31 | mnemoc | no idea how long can it run without power |
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