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| 08:49.54 | kocka | pidpawel: and what will be the shipping order?:) |
| 08:52.14 | kocka | i mean who belongs to the first batch |
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| 09:37.52 | mnemoc | hipboi: hi, I just received a mail telling me to moderate some posts in the cubieboard list, but then the moderation page gives me "Permission to manage messages denied" |
| 09:38.10 | hipboi | hmm |
| 09:38.13 | hipboi | let me check |
| 09:38.14 | mnemoc | hipboi: you probably need to change which group of users is allowed to moderate |
| 09:39.01 | mnemoc | hipboi: look at https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!groupsettings/cubieboard/moderationpermissions -> Approve Messages |
| 09:39.53 | hipboi | you are in the manager group |
| 09:40.04 | hipboi | provided by google |
| 09:40.22 | hipboi | but there is no moderation permissions |
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| 09:41.55 | hipboi | done |
| 09:42.03 | hipboi | now you can moderate |
| 09:43.15 | mnemoc | cool, now it works |
| 09:43.21 | mnemoc | thanks :) |
| 09:44.17 | hipboi | on one side, google groups is cool, you can use the same shortcut with gmail |
| 09:44.46 | hipboi | on other side, sigh, it's not a forum |
| 09:45.07 | mnemoc | and that's bad? |
| 09:45.31 | mnemoc | imho forums are the worst thing that happened to internet discussions |
| 09:45.57 | mnemoc | newsgroups reinvented poorly |
| 09:47.04 | mnemoc | and they are a retard-magnet |
| 09:52.36 | qermit | i would say - they are obsolate |
| 09:54.13 | mnemoc | yes! let's move the internet inside facebook |
| 09:55.16 | mnemoc | .oO(AOL?)o |
| 09:59.40 | rm | I don't think it's useful to try utilizing more features of Google groups |
| 09:59.44 | rm | just a mailing list is fine |
| 09:59.57 | rm | without pinned topics and etc |
| 10:00.07 | qermit | mnemoc: facebook is also obsolate |
| 10:00.22 | mnemoc | hipboi seems to feel he needs to make cubieboard more accesible to retards |
| 10:01.04 | hipboi | sigh |
| 10:01.26 | hipboi | i am just worried more than 1000 people rushed in |
| 10:01.35 | hipboi | and complaining |
| 10:01.38 | qermit | mnemoc: i use facebook but only for cheaper movie tickets |
| 10:01.49 | hipboi | so we need to prepare for that |
| 10:02.15 | mnemoc | hipboi: a FAQ is awesome for that |
| 10:02.23 | hipboi | yes |
| 10:02.47 | mnemoc | hipboi: you don't need those 1000 posting again and again the same question and asking someone else to do the research for them |
| 10:03.15 | mnemoc | forums are a call for lazy jerks and trolls |
| 10:03.47 | hipboi | dinner |
| 10:03.52 | mnemoc | adding a little of "difficulty" you filter out most the undesirable people |
| 10:03.55 | hipboi | back in 10 minutes |
| 10:03.55 | qermit | cubieboard.org should have a clock that would count down the time to start shipping |
| 10:04.23 | hipboi | the problem is we don't know when to start shipping... |
| 10:04.27 | mnemoc | qermit: no clock is possible when the pace is not dictated by you |
| 10:04.38 | qermit | estimated time |
| 10:04.46 | mnemoc | qermit: currently the game is ruled by indiegogo, paypal and bank |
| 10:05.08 | mnemoc | qermit: there is no possible estimation. they do things and the pace they please to |
| 10:05.33 | mnemoc | once the money is in tom's bank account in china, they can give an estimation |
| 10:06.27 | qermit | mnemoc: i work in company that do electronics stuff and i know that pain |
| 10:07.07 | mnemoc | paypal money was withdrew the 16th, still pending to arive |
| 10:07.25 | mnemoc | and indiegogo hasn't done the wire yet.... probably by the end of the week |
| 10:08.24 | mnemoc | after that, it can take 3days or 2 weeks depending how the banks decide |
| 10:08.37 | mnemoc | and without indiegogo's money there is no components |
| 10:11.27 | qermit | mnemoc: you have this knowledge others not. |
| 10:11.52 | mnemoc | yes, that's clearly something that should be said in cubieboard.org's frontpage |
| 10:23.02 | hipboi | :O |
| 10:24.32 | mnemoc | indigogo status: waiting to receive 18k USD from paypal and waiting for indiegogo to wire this other amount. - today |
| 10:26.52 | hipboi | done? |
| 10:27.00 | mnemoc | nah, you :) |
| 10:28.04 | qermit | http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_706&item_id=053384 |
| 10:28.29 | mnemoc | qermit: and? |
| 10:29.11 | mnemoc | qermit: apc.io is pretty old news |
| 10:32.02 | qermit | i haven't seen it in store before |
| 10:36.37 | mnemoc | it's a crap SoC on a nice size format |
| 10:43.09 | hipboi | i have to say a stand mother board benefit |
| 10:43.43 | hipboi | next generation cubieboard will be a Neo-ITX or something |
| 10:43.50 | hipboi | standard |
| 10:48.10 | qermit | Expansion ports shouldn'tt change |
| 10:48.49 | hipboi | yes |
| 10:52.12 | mnemoc | olimex uses ITXish... but they failed to put all connectors on the same side |
| 10:52.22 | mnemoc | so in practice you can't reuse a case |
| 10:52.26 | mnemoc | and kills the purpose |
| 11:01.10 | mnemoc | but not aligning the standoffs to an standard grid was odd (k*5mm by q*5mm) |
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| 11:16.44 | hipboi | sweden post shipping to EU |
| 11:17.07 | hipboi | do they take extra tax+duty? |
| 11:23.57 | mnemoc | in some annoying countries like .de and .uk they most probably do |
| 11:25.24 | mnemoc | I received my first mele via SE post in spain, passed smoothly. I think hno's passed untaxed too |
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| 11:27.31 | RaYmAn | hipboi: do you mean shipping from .e.g .hk to sweden or something else? |
| 11:27.52 | hipboi | shipping by Sweden post from China |
| 11:28.08 | hipboi | to EU countries |
| 11:28.09 | mnemoc | they do bulk forwarding |
| 11:28.09 | RaYmAn | then it's mostly luck I'd say |
| 11:28.15 | RaYmAn | oh |
| 11:28.30 | mnemoc | mine came as shipped from .se |
| 11:28.35 | RaYmAn | hm |
| 11:28.55 | mnemoc | no idea how do they manage to do that |
| 11:28.55 | RaYmAn | well, there's no tax/vat when shipping from within EU to another EU country |
| 11:29.09 | RaYmAn | usually it's charged on import though |
| 11:29.25 | mnemoc | i expected a tax invoice from sweden indeed |
| 11:29.33 | mnemoc | but didn't |
| 11:29.39 | hipboi | mnemoc: if yours came as shipped from .se, what's on the shipping from address |
| 11:29.55 | mnemoc | i don't remember :( |
| 11:30.07 | mnemoc | but return address was yours |
| 11:30.15 | hipboi | hmm |
| 11:31.03 | mnemoc | .sg seems to do the same. take packages in bulk from .cn and then forward from their own country |
| 11:31.19 | RaYmAn | I really don't think it's your place to try and work around various countries tax laws :/ It's the receivers problem. (technically speaking, working around it is illegal. Not getting caught in import checks means you should pay it volountarily) |
| 11:31.42 | qermit | RaYmAn: except it's gift :) |
| 11:31.55 | mnemoc | the neat thing with sweden post is that they are within EU so packages should be "re-"taxed on the destination country |
| 11:32.02 | RaYmAn | qermit: yeah, that's kind of bullshit :P |
| 11:32.25 | mnemoc | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 11:33.01 | mnemoc | if .se decides to let them pass, .uk/.de/.dk/.... shouldn't stop them |
| 11:34.04 | mnemoc | RaYmAn: I suppose he is trying to pick what's the most customer-friendly shipping option for EU buyers as a whole |
| 11:34.08 | RaYmAn | here (I just checked), if I receive a gift from outside .eu, it gets through free if it's valued at less than 50$, if it's above, they charge VAT + processing fee |
| 11:34.32 | qermit | in poland we do not pay tax if package value is lower than 45 euro |
| 11:34.35 | RaYmAn | I'd imagine those rules are based on EU laws |
| 11:34.47 | mnemoc | here you can steal up to 420E from a supermarket and it's not even considered a fault :| |
| 11:35.03 | RaYmAn | lol |
| 11:35.41 | RaYmAn | as far as I can tell, with some types of goods, it could actually be more expensive for me to receive it as gift |
| 11:35.44 | mnemoc | those "exemption" numbers are pretty random |
| 11:36.17 | RaYmAn | because they charge gift import tax when above ~180$ or so, but some goods are always excempt from import tax :P |
| 11:36.32 | mnemoc | doh |
| 11:37.09 | RaYmAn | but given cubieboard is below 50$ and .dk has some of the more..strict import tax rules, it should be ok for everywhere in eu :P |
| 11:38.58 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 12:19.48 | gzamboni | god dammit, my cubieboard came up to a city at 10km from here and now i think they send it back to China... |
| 12:21.29 | gzamboni | reason: returned to sender because of bad address |
| 12:22.01 | gzamboni | i live in a new street, it was created for about a year ago, they must have old maps. |
| 12:22.24 | gzamboni | wtf, now it will take another 2 months to get it, lol |
| 12:22.52 | pidpawel | go to your post office and talk to them |
| 12:23.18 | gzamboni | i tried to do that by phone but they cant find the package using the package tracking number |
| 12:23.30 | gzamboni | me neither, i got the info from 17track.net |
| 12:23.36 | gzamboni | dunno where they get it from |
| 12:25.49 | pidpawel | i dont know about what country are you talking about but in Poland there is a team of people dealing with situations like this. recently even letter with only email on it have been delievered to the right person ;) |
| 12:27.23 | mnemoc | gzamboni: you are the one interested in getting it, so go to your post office and talk |
| 12:27.53 | gzamboni | found it |
| 12:28.07 | gzamboni | they send as a simple mail |
| 12:28.18 | gzamboni | sent |
| 12:28.38 | mnemoc | sending the package back is bad for everyone, also for your local post service |
| 12:29.19 | mnemoc | but they won't look for you if you don't move to them |
| 12:31.58 | gzamboni | i cant go out now, my daughter is sleeping |
| 12:32.17 | gzamboni | i will try to call them again, but im afraid they have already returned it to china |
| 12:32.37 | mnemoc | nah, they are never that fast |
| 12:33.09 | pidpawel | first they have to open it and hack a bit. :> |
| 12:33.23 | mnemoc | no post service is eager to make a full shipment for free |
| 12:33.53 | mnemoc | most are not eager to make shipments at all... |
| 12:34.20 | mnemoc | my chromebook has been a week lingering in memphis :| |
| 12:34.44 | mnemoc | damn rednecks |
| 12:38.30 | RaYmAn | lol |
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| 13:00.22 | gzamboni | i just posted a reclamation at my post services, they will check if the product is still in france they will send me. |
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| 15:00.13 | tinti | gzamboni: where you from? France? |
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| 16:17.20 | KiSM | anyone know when cubieboards will be for sail again. i got paid the day after it closed |
| 16:17.26 | KiSM | *sale |
| 16:18.54 | qermit | KiSM: indiegogo? |
| 16:19.28 | KiSM | the indiegogo ended |
| 16:19.47 | KiSM | oh wait they updated the main website |
| 16:19.50 | KiSM | nevermind |
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