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| 09:29.30 | debianin | hello |
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| 10:32.07 | hno | hello debianin |
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| 11:16.34 | debianin | im back :) |
| 11:17.19 | debianin | is someone working to create a debian-for-CubieBoard easy to be reverserd in uSD using dd? |
| 11:21.51 | mnemoc | someone made a debian sid armhf rootfs tarball iirc |
| 11:21.57 | Guest64259 | is always curious why everyone wants debian... |
| 11:22.14 | rm | debian is great |
| 11:22.22 | rm | what else would people possibly want |
| 11:26.00 | debianin | debian came first: later, all the other distroes |
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| 11:27.52 | mnemoc | slackware is older |
| 11:28.43 | mnemoc | 17 Jul 1993 vs. 16 August 1993 according to the holy wikipedia |
| 11:29.35 | mnemoc | and then redhat |
| 11:33.28 | rm | wtf, DX sells some dongle, according to its Windows .inf file it is USB\VID_066b&PID_20f9 |
| 11:33.43 | rm | there is NOTHING about 066b:20f9 anywhere |
| 11:34.19 | mnemoc | changed the chip and forgot to mention it to the guys making the driver cd? |
| 11:34.23 | pidpawel | 44hours and counting. ;) what does it mean for the project? production will start earlier but when it is scheduled to end? |
| 11:34.27 | rm | 066b seems to be Linksys :O |
| 11:35.18 | mnemoc | pidpawel: afaik it should take like 3-4 weeks since the money arrives until the products are shipped |
| 11:36.18 | pidpawel | so looong :) |
| 11:37.13 | mnemoc | neither factories nor suppliers give much priority to small batches |
| 11:38.06 | tinti | pidpawel: I dont know in your country but the postal transport service is made by lazy turtles! It will take about 6 to 8 weeks more to delivery at home |
| 11:38.40 | mnemoc | indiegogo itself takes 5 working days since the campaign ends to wire the money |
| 11:38.50 | pidpawel | you mean i will have my cb in 8 weeks at home? |
| 11:39.13 | debianin | mnemoc, i mean: under QUALITY viewpoint, imo, debian came first, then the others. |
| 11:39.34 | mnemoc | not the place for a distro war |
| 11:39.46 | pidpawel | :> |
| 11:39.50 | debianin | no war, only opinions. |
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| 11:48.43 | tinti | pidpawel: no I mean that if it takes 5 weeks to arrive in my country, it will take more 8 to I get it home. |
| 11:49.59 | mnemoc | my CB sent over HKP too mere 3 days since posted to be delivered on my home on spain :p |
| 11:50.07 | mnemoc | s/too/took/ |
| 11:51.06 | mnemoc | it's nice to have a good national postal service |
| 11:51.29 | pidpawel | so much time to wait :> let's have a hope that one beautiful morning ill find a cb in my postbox ;) |
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| 12:20.06 | tinti | does cubieboard have dynamic clock ? |
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| 12:33.37 | debianin | tinti, yes. from 30Mhz to 1488Mhz |
| 12:37.48 | tinti | 30Mhz ??? kkk |
| 12:41.16 | debianin | tinti, yes, check in /sys/device/systems/cpu/cpu0/... |
| 12:41.35 | debianin | there are all the file to set frequency and other parameters, |
| 12:41.36 | debianin | . |
| 12:48.15 | mnemoc | 30MHz is used while sleeping |
| 12:48.24 | mnemoc | standby |
| 12:50.14 | Guest64259 | guys |
| 12:50.30 | Guest64259 | if we are talking about the 1488Mhz... I need heatsink to do so I suppose? |
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| 12:54.02 | mnemoc | at least without heatsink it becomes unstable above 1.2 |
| 12:55.11 | Guest64259 | ok, it's no problem, just interested :D |
| 12:55.14 | Guest64259 | and last thing! |
| 12:55.26 | Guest64259 | what is maximu current on cubieboard? |
| 12:55.30 | Guest64259 | *maximu |
| 12:55.34 | Guest64259 | *maximum |
| 12:55.45 | Guest64259 | 400mA for USB port's is only value I know :D |
| 12:56.19 | mnemoc | 5V/2A on the DC connector |
| 12:56.55 | Guest64259 | ok, thanks a lot :-) |
| 12:57.47 | mnemoc | mine also steals a whole watt from the hdmi connector, but I think they fixed that one |
| 12:58.19 | Guest64259 | hmm |
| 12:58.33 | Guest64259 | bad thing is that I have 7.5V lipo for powering it up |
| 12:58.42 | Guest64259 | which ends at 6.6V... |
| 12:59.03 | Guest64259 | so I need some regulator which can work with input 6.5 -> |
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| 13:01.14 | mnemoc | wb hipboi |
| 13:01.24 | hipboi | hi |
| 13:01.30 | hipboi | some news today |
| 13:01.47 | hipboi | i called paypal today twice |
| 13:02.26 | hipboi | and figured out why the paypal account can not connect the bank account |
| 13:02.35 | hipboi | the company name is wrong! |
| 13:02.51 | mnemoc | doh |
| 13:03.14 | mnemoc | so your bank returned the small transfer? |
| 13:03.27 | hipboi | company name is wrong |
| 13:03.42 | hipboi | the transfer failed |
| 13:03.54 | hipboi | not starland electronic co., ltd |
| 13:04.07 | hipboi | but starland electronic limited |
| 13:04.23 | mnemoc | come on.... they returned it for that little diff? |
| 13:04.33 | hipboi | yes |
| 13:04.59 | mnemoc | fixed and sent again? |
| 13:05.03 | Guest64259 | ... |
| 13:05.05 | Guest64259 | .. |
| 13:05.07 | hipboi | not now |
| 13:05.10 | Guest64259 | are you kidding or what? :D |
| 13:05.19 | hipboi | i need to upload address prove |
| 13:05.27 | hipboi | and i uploaded and called paypal |
| 13:05.37 | hipboi | but they said they can not open it |
| 13:05.42 | hipboi | again! |
| 13:05.43 | mnemoc | :| |
| 13:06.01 | hipboi | they said no permission |
| 13:06.16 | mnemoc | wtf |
| 13:06.29 | hipboi | there must be bug in their system |
| 13:06.43 | hipboi | then they asked me to send it to a mail address |
| 13:07.17 | hipboi | now waiting reply in 24 hours |
| 13:08.18 | mnemoc | be sure to not make the same "mistake" with the company name in indiegogo |
| 13:08.25 | hipboi | yes |
| 13:08.26 | mnemoc | you don't want that transfer bounced |
| 13:08.33 | hipboi | i changed that |
| 13:09.21 | tinti | hipboi: when you register a credit card they tax you in 2 dollars and after you get a discount, why dont they try to deposit 2 dollars and charge you (in your card). |
| 13:09.59 | mnemoc | tinti: you can't withdraw funds to a CC |
| 13:10.38 | mnemoc | tinti: he needs to get paypal and indiegogo funds wired to a bank account |
| 13:10.50 | tinti | mnemoc: I mean that they should have a system that tries to deposit in your bank account when you register it. |
| 13:11.05 | tinti | mnemoc: it could avoid such problems :) |
| 13:11.13 | mnemoc | tinti: yes, but failed because the name wasn't identical |
| 13:11.28 | mnemoc | "starland electronic co., ltd" != "starland electronic limited" |
| 13:11.42 | tinti | mnemoc: and because they tried at the last moment, no? |
| 13:12.08 | mnemoc | it's been over a month already |
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| 13:13.47 | mnemoc | good thing is that the next campaign won't have these issues :) |
| 13:13.58 | mnemoc | the first time is always difficult |
| 13:14.46 | mnemoc | "how to start a business using paypal and not die trying" (tm) |
| 13:14.47 | tinti | hipboi, mnemoc: do you think it will reach 100k? |
| 13:15.01 | mnemoc | only 43h left |
| 13:15.56 | mnemoc | 85 for sure, 90 maybe, 100.... no way |
| 13:19.15 | tinti | mnemoc: in the last hour it has gotten at least 325 which will give 13k in 40 hours |
| 13:19.18 | mnemoc | but I trust the next will be big. specially if there are some shields among the perks |
| 13:19.33 | mnemoc | tinti: oh |
| 13:19.47 | tinti | mnemoc: I think it will. |
| 13:19.50 | mnemoc | tinti: :) |
| 13:20.17 | tinti | mnemoc: would be great also to have one with 2 ethernet ports. It could be a really good router :) |
| 13:20.35 | mnemoc | tinti: the soc doesn't support it, it would need to be over usb |
| 13:20.50 | tinti | hum |
| 13:21.43 | mnemoc | in which case you are better doing usb switch board |
| 13:22.19 | mnemoc | routerboard has some nice 4xNIC things, but they use pcie, not usb |
| 13:22.50 | bfree | hipboi: I luckily perked a "just in time" from indiegogo and added $5 with a note requesting a case with it. the ttl cable seems as (or more) important now! will you be adding the case? if so can I donate another $5 and get the cable with it also? thanks |
| 13:23.31 | mnemoc | bfree: better make that an email to support@cubieboard.org |
| 13:23.37 | mnemoc | bfree: with the details |
| 13:26.12 | f1r3 | because of shields, i tought about a iee1394 (firewire) shield and a sata shield |
| 13:26.39 | bfree | mnemoc: any idea what details might be needed (just the email address or something more)? |
| 13:27.30 | mnemoc | bfree: date, amounts involved, and if it was with paypal I would add the transaction id |
| 13:28.01 | bfree | was credit card :-( will include the date also. thanks |
| 13:28.14 | mnemoc | f1r3: where do you plan to hook firewire? |
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| 13:30.16 | f1r3 | because there is no pci-e, on gpio pins and 'emulate' the pci-e bus for the firewire chipset |
| 13:30.36 | f1r3 | same idea as i had with the sata chipset |
| 13:30.47 | f1r3 | mnemoc: do you have a better idea ? |
| 13:32.16 | mnemoc | not sure if you can get enough juice bitbanging the GPIOs, but might be doable |
| 13:33.58 | f1r3 | we will see when my boards arrive |
| 13:34.16 | f1r3 | its just an idea ... |
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| 15:43.01 | qermit | f1r3: emulate pci-e? |
| 15:43.10 | qermit | crazy idea |
| 15:45.41 | rz2k | it is impossible because of timing/clocking. pci-e needs balanced tracks, so you already cant do that starting with different lenght of GPIO tracks on CB. |
| 16:55.21 | f1r3 | rz2k: i tought the pcie lanes are serial, so the length of the wires shold be no problem. i have no idea of timing/clocking |
| 16:56.33 | rz2k | no, they have same problem as DDR3 routing |
| 16:57.09 | f1r3 | i saw a link to a project they interfaced a pci-e card from a microcontroller, but i dont find it now |
| 16:57.54 | f1r3 | the mali400 is connected by pci-e but this bus is internal in the A10 ? |
| 17:13.44 | hno | anyone here with a current cubieboard who is not scared of soft-bricking? (may need to livesuit it again to restore NAND) |
| 17:14.18 | rz2k | hno: want to write spl to NAND? |
| 17:14.29 | mnemoc | was going to ask the same |
| 17:14.33 | rz2k | lol |
| 17:19.03 | qermit | Second Level Bootloader? |
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| 17:20.12 | qermit | means loader that initializes ddr and then loads u-boot? |
| 17:20.23 | qermit | mnemoc rz2k ? |
| 17:20.48 | mnemoc | qermit: in nand you have a proprietary mini-bootloaders before u-boot |
| 17:21.00 | mnemoc | boot0 and boot1 |
| 17:21.30 | hno | rz2k, no not yet. But want you to 1. replace NAND u-boot with current lichee-dev. 2. Use that to upload a built of my mtd branch to ram and see if it works. |
| 17:21.47 | mnemoc | when booting from mmc you go free straight from the BROM (code within the SoC) |
| 17:21.57 | tinti | hno: I hope it is like one from freescale. It has a small bootloader in the processor that turns on the usb and let you send a small kernel in which you can access the nand |
| 17:22.24 | rz2k | tinti: fel eFex works like that. |
| 17:22.35 | hno | tinti, the cubieboard have a boot rom that allows you to recover from USB or SD. |
| 17:22.45 | rz2k | also uses exactly the same USB stack as in kernel |
| 17:23.05 | rz2k | and there is cool ASCII art showing before flashing process, if you connect UART :) |
| 17:23.56 | qermit | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_boot_process/ |
| 17:24.01 | tinti | :) |
| 17:24.44 | hno | rz2k, having a bit of a fight with NAND controller on my cubieboard when DRAM is at 480MHz, and can't put my finger on what is the cause. |
| 17:25.59 | hno | Works fine when DRAM is @408MHz. Which is also what the bootloader in my NAND is programmed with. "production" run cubieboards are clocked @480MHz by default |
| 17:26.22 | hno | and somehow the Allwinner NAND driver do work there. |
| 18:47.50 | Guest64259 | guys |
| 18:47.59 | Guest64259 | what are the dimensions of cubie's holes? |
| 18:48.26 | Guest64259 | I mean.. spacing of holes... |
| 18:53.05 | mnemoc | standard M3 |
| 18:53.45 | Guest64259 | so spacing is 3*k mm ? |
| 18:55.09 | mnemoc | you mean from one hole to the next? |
| 18:55.21 | mnemoc | there is an dxf if you want to make your own case |
| 18:55.34 | Guest64259 | ye[ |
| 18:55.36 | mnemoc | http://dl.cubieboard.org/hardware/cubieboard_outline_2012-08-08.dwg |
| 18:55.39 | Guest64259 | thanks a lot |
| 18:55.44 | mnemoc | yw |
| 18:56.06 | Guest64259 | nah |
| 18:56.13 | Guest64259 | can't open that type of file :D |
| 18:56.32 | Guest64259 | could you do something like that and past it somewhere on the internet? |
| 18:56.37 | Guest64259 | http://www.robgray.com/temp/arduino-pcb-mech-metric.png ... for example |
| 18:56.40 | Guest64259 | it can be handy |
| 18:56.46 | Guest64259 | (not just for me :-) ) |
| 18:57.29 | SquirrelCZECH | :-) |
| 18:57.31 | mnemoc | CAD tools are supposed to be able to open it..... i don't have any |
| 18:58.09 | SquirrelCZECH | I've got only openscad |
| 18:59.23 | mnemoc | I got it converted to dxf by some online tool once |
| 18:59.33 | mnemoc | and just opened it with librecad |
| 18:59.49 | SquirrelCZECH | hmm |
| 19:00.36 | SquirrelCZECH | the point is simple... I am going to buy 3M holes with 5mm spacing perforated sheet... and got curious if can just attach cubie on it :-) |
| 19:00.51 | mnemoc | 1m, let me upload the .dxf somewhere |
| 19:01.07 | SquirrelCZECH | ok, thanks a lot |
| 19:02.02 | hno | rz2k, no longer needed. But still a mystery what is going on. |
| 19:02.49 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/amery/cubieboard_outline_2012-08-08.dxf |
| 19:03.07 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: librecad can open it. i think openscad will do too |
| 19:03.45 | SquirrelCZECH | ok, thanks a lot |
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| 19:06.45 | Erelwar_ | hello. is there someone who already get cubieboard? |
| 19:08.13 | mnemoc | 250 people |
| 19:08.18 | mnemoc | from the previous batches |
| 19:09.34 | SquirrelCZECH | lol :D |
| 19:09.42 | SquirrelCZECH | 250-> over 1000 |
| 19:09.43 | SquirrelCZECH | not bad :D |
| 19:10.33 | Erelwar_ | i need some help about shipping |
| 19:11.03 | mnemoc | it's like ~1300 on indiegogo plus a bunch that couldn't be shipped with the 2nd... so I suppose it will be 1500 |
| 19:11.55 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 19:11.56 | SquirrelCZECH | yep |
| 19:11.58 | Erelwar_ | can i choose shipping company? |
| 19:11.59 | SquirrelCZECH | that's nice :D |
| 19:12.27 | mnemoc | Erelwar_: send a mail to support@cubieboard.org.... you might also want to add your phone number |
| 19:12.44 | mnemoc | fancy couriers like to ask for that |
| 19:13.37 | Erelwar_ | thanks. for some reason i can find any contacts at official site |
| 19:14.55 | Erelwar_ | and btw, sorry if i offended someone with my english |
| 19:16.51 | Turl | we're from all over the world, don't worry about your english Erelwar_ :) |
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| 19:31.36 | SquirrelCZECH | yep |
| 19:31.48 | SquirrelCZECH | as long as we understand... I think nobody cares :D |
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| 20:53.17 | SquirrelCZECH | oh |
| 20:53.31 | SquirrelCZECH | I can see, that cubieboard is designed in inches? |
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| 21:19.54 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: it's metric |
| 21:20.17 | SquirrelCZECH | what? |
| 21:20.28 | mnemoc | the cubieboard, everything is metric |
| 21:20.35 | SquirrelCZECH | ok |
| 21:20.35 | mnemoc | except the uart header |
| 21:20.46 | SquirrelCZECH | so librecad lies or I did something wrong :-/ |
| 21:20.51 | SquirrelCZECH | anyway, thanks |
| 21:21.11 | mnemoc | maybe the convertion from .dwg to .dxf screwed up something |
| 21:21.29 | mnemoc | i used a free online service, not an app |
| 21:21.51 | mnemoc | check the pins of the headers, they should be 2mm pitch |
| 21:22.53 | mnemoc | also, the pcb is 10x6 cm |
| 21:23.45 | mnemoc | goes for a ruler |
| 21:24.42 | SquirrelCZECH | 2. between pitch |
| 21:25.14 | SquirrelCZECH | 73.6 between the center of holes |
| 21:25.28 | SquirrelCZECH | ... |
| 21:25.56 | mnemoc | sh*t happens :| |
| 21:25.56 | SquirrelCZECH | wanted to add another collumn's under the original cubie's case and attach it to perforated sheet |
| 21:26.06 | SquirrelCZECH | which have 3mm holes |
| 21:26.18 | SquirrelCZECH | with 5mm between the center of them |
| 21:26.20 | mnemoc | and it won't align |
| 21:26.30 | mnemoc | wtf |
| 21:27.07 | SquirrelCZECH | so, it's problem of format... or it's designed like that? |
| 21:27.52 | mnemoc | i suppose the designer decided it was smart to save some milimeters :| |
| 21:28.07 | SquirrelCZECH | it's not problem.. I just have to make my own holes in the plexi-case... |
| 21:28.16 | SquirrelCZECH | but's it's not exactly... perfect :D |
| 21:28.23 | SquirrelCZECH | ok, I've request than... |
| 21:28.54 | mnemoc | problem is it can't be fixed |
| 21:29.03 | SquirrelCZECH | next board... please make dimensions of holes something like: 5*k mm ... |
| 21:29.04 | mnemoc | because it would break shield compatibility |
| 21:29.10 | SquirrelCZECH | hmm |
| 21:29.28 | mnemoc | or the narrow side is 5*k? |
| 21:30.15 | SquirrelCZECH | ? |
| 21:30.22 | SquirrelCZECH | 53x73.6 |
| 21:30.59 | SquirrelCZECH | is what I see in libreCAD :D |
| 21:31.28 | SquirrelCZECH | it's not pain for me... I will solve it... but it's ... unperfect? :d |
| 21:31.42 | mnemoc | sad truth |
| 21:31.55 | SquirrelCZECH | but... you are in cubieboard's team? |
| 21:31.58 | mnemoc | send a mail to tom so he can slap the designer |
| 21:32.00 | mnemoc | no |
| 21:32.10 | SquirrelCZECH | oh, I thought so :D |
| 21:32.14 | SquirrelCZECH | ok, send it! :D |
| 21:32.31 | SquirrelCZECH | btw: tom didn't designed the board O_o |
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| 21:32.55 | mnemoc | I'm only listed as team member on indiegogo so I could request the early closing of the campaign |
| 21:33.10 | SquirrelCZECH | oh, ok :D |
| 21:33.16 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: Tom is a software guy |
| 21:33.20 | SquirrelCZECH | you are pretty active here... so I thought... |
| 21:33.22 | SquirrelCZECH | I see... |
| 21:33.47 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: he passed the "requirements" to some of his friends who did the design and the rest of the hw stuff |
| 21:34.29 | mnemoc | irc is my "window" to the world, always open in a corner of the left screen |
| 21:34.58 | mnemoc | as long as it doesn't make me think, it doesn't distract me from $work$ |
| 21:35.39 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
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| 23:20.06 | hno | Hmm.. I wonder.. how to fit the randomizer in u-boot. |
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