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| 06:34.40 | DuHKhv | Hello, everybody. |
| 06:35.05 | DuHKhv | sorry for noob question. |
| 06:35.42 | DuHKhv | Is there someone that can answer questions about delivery ? |
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| 08:24.41 | hno | Morning. |
| 08:34.23 | mnemoc | hno: hi. is DTS support in u-boot-sunxi something one can do by script (setting the DTS machine type and loading the DTS somewhere) or implies changes in the code too? |
| 08:40.50 | hno | mnemoc, for basic support a fdt file is sufficient. But as for the kernel u-boot drivers should be changed to use fdt parameters instead of hardcoding. |
| 08:44.07 | mnemoc | cool, thank you :) |
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| 09:22.43 | Gumboot | Any news on when production can start? |
| 09:27.58 | mnemoc | Gumboot: unless indiegogo accepts to truncate the campaign, only after reaching 90k or mid december when igg will release the money collected via CC |
| 09:28.45 | Gumboot | What's the significance of 90k? |
| 09:29.38 | mnemoc | 35k on paypal |
| 09:29.58 | mnemoc | to buy the components |
| 09:32.15 | Gumboot | I'm confused about how paypal fit into all of this. |
| 09:32.56 | mnemoc | donations via paypal go directly to tom's paypal |
| 09:33.20 | mnemoc | donations via CC go to indiegogo, and they are wired to tom's bank account a week after the end of the campaign |
| 09:33.44 | mnemoc | while paypal was blocked monet was collected via CC |
| 09:33.57 | mnemoc | now paypal is enabled again |
| 09:34.25 | mnemoc | more clear now? |
| 09:34.49 | Gumboot | Ahh... so the credit-card option has been removed? |
| 09:34.55 | mnemoc | yes |
| 09:35.17 | mnemoc | because it's useless for the goal of shipping before xmas |
| 09:35.57 | Gumboot | So how are orders prioritised? Those who paid by credit card will have their money released last, so do they get their boards last? |
| 09:36.33 | mnemoc | orders are priorised by the time they were made |
| 09:36.53 | mnemoc | not by the time the corresponding money gets released |
| 09:38.54 | Gumboot | OK, so if 90k is reached, and 35k is released at that point, that's going to cover parts for 1k units, all of the orders up to that point, or a little more? |
| 09:38.57 | mnemoc | so getting new people to order via paypal helps those who ordered first get their boards sooner |
| 09:39.17 | Gumboot | I ask because I see a condition where the campaign ends and a run has been made of N units leaving <1000 un-manufactured units for those who were last in. |
| 09:39.27 | mnemoc | afaik 35k is the cost of the components for 1k pieces |
| 09:39.35 | mnemoc | the intention is to make more than 1k |
| 09:39.51 | mnemoc | but it all depends in how the money arrives |
| 09:40.54 | Gumboot | Just so long as manufacturing isn't broken up into 1k chunks leaving a remainder of boards which would be expensive to produce but necessary to fulfill the agreement with those last few people. |
| 09:41.05 | mnemoc | if the campaign gets truncated the current $69 * 0.96 will be wired as a whole |
| 09:41.33 | mnemoc | Gumboot: the >1k will probably go on a 4th batch |
| 09:41.46 | mnemoc | as soon as possible |
| 09:42.08 | mnemoc | but until igg answers about the truncation it's all about guesses |
| 09:42.15 | Gumboot | What happens after that? Long-term production in advance on the assumption that there'll be continuous demand and enough capital exists to support it? |
| 09:42.54 | Gumboot | There'll be competition with the likes of wandboard, eventually. |
| 09:42.58 | mnemoc | don't know if hipboi will be able to find an investor to fund in-advance production |
| 09:43.28 | mnemoc | if not, further batches will be made following the same pre-order model |
| 09:43.51 | mnemoc | but without the trouble of paypal and bank verifications |
| 09:43.58 | mnemoc | because that is already solved |
| 09:45.18 | mnemoc | as the margin is pretty small a 1k campaign doesn't help to manufacture the next |
| 09:45.50 | mnemoc | but the goal is continuous production as long as there is continuous demand |
| 09:46.05 | mnemoc | thanks to paypal's continuous feeding |
| 09:47.40 | Gumboot | Is there a next-generation product planned? Does the business rely on a relationship with Allwinner, or will any cheap SoC with updated components do? |
| 09:49.24 | Gumboot | It should do no harm to the current units. It's already ARMv7 and that's going to be compatible with future ARM devices for a long time yet. |
| 09:49.39 | Gumboot | Unlike the pi. |
| 09:50.08 | Gumboot | When (if) they update I can't see support for old units lasting very long at all. |
| 09:50.11 | mnemoc | i believe they will stick to allwinner options, due to their professional experience with their SoCs. I know there is a next revision planned, but it's about adding more pins to expose more of the A10's power and make the board more useful... as A10 devkit |
| 09:51.40 | mnemoc | long term supports relies in the linux-sunxi community, they focus in the hardware |
| 09:53.11 | mnemoc | they = the cubieboard team |
| 09:54.25 | Gumboot | I've seen it before that vendors won't start work until a long time after the credit card payment has cleared, because it's the only way they can be assured that the charges won't be reversed. Since indiegogo do release other funds right away, I think it's a safe bet they're following that policy with credit cards and will not release the funds until the agreed date. |
| 09:54.54 | mnemoc | yes |
| 09:56.06 | Gumboot | To support a Cortex-A8 long-term isn't a big deal because it doesn't stop you using new features. Tho support an 1176 long term means either special builds or retarded code generation for all the new products, so dropping support is something that's likely to happen quickly. |
| 09:57.02 | Gumboot | So cubieboard is a lot less likely to suddenly turn obsolete. |
| 09:57.15 | mnemoc | :) |
| 09:58.54 | Gumboot | Although ARM do make this difficult by changing pipeline structure drastically between implementations of the same instruction set, so performance may suffer a little if optimisation focus switches to a newer chip. |
| 09:59.56 | Gumboot | But the compiler lags horribly anyway, so there tends to be a stabilising effect at that level... different tunings don't affect code generation all that much. |
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| 11:58.24 | tinti | I have notice that at each 1h, there is a pledge of around 70 $ |
| 11:59.02 | tinti | so, in 30 days it gives 40k which means that each will reach the 100k |
| 12:01.07 | grimes99 | should get $90k in another 5 days? |
| 12:12.26 | tinti | :) |
| 12:12.48 | tinti | is anybody working on a android port for cubie |
| 12:12.50 | tinti | ? |
| 12:13.05 | mnemoc | there is nothing cubie specific on that |
| 12:13.15 | mnemoc | any android from sun4i will do |
| 12:14.38 | mnemoc | s/from/for/ |
| 12:15.45 | tinti | wow2 |
| 12:15.50 | tinti | s/wow2/wow/ |
| 12:16.00 | tinti | kkk such a nice boot! |
| 12:16.06 | tinti | s/boot/bot/ |
| 12:16.13 | grimes99 | send the word help to him for commands |
| 12:16.38 | grimes99 | hello ibot |
| 12:16.58 | tinti | hello ibot |
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| 14:33.22 | alcides | s/ibot-cool/ibot-stfu/ |
| 14:33.41 | alcides | smart bot |
| 14:33.44 | alcides | XD |
| 14:33.55 | alcides | s/bot/ibot/ |
| 14:34.10 | grimes99 | ./msg ibot help |
| 14:34.23 | alcides | thanks grimes99 |
| 14:36.54 | Turl | ibot: <3 |
| 14:36.54 | ibot | hmm... <3 is love |
| 14:39.57 | grimes99 | when is 4th batch due? |
| 14:41.45 | mnemoc | after the third |
| 14:45.22 | tinti | ./msg ibot help |
| 14:45.56 | mnemoc | without the dot |
| 14:46.15 | tinti | sorry :) I knew but I just copied it |
| 14:46.27 | tinti | let me try something. me |
| 14:46.37 | tinti | s/me/test/ |
| 14:46.44 | tinti | let me try something. me |
| 14:46.47 | tinti | s/me/test/g |
| 14:46.50 | tinti | kkk |
| 14:47.08 | mnemoc | a 2 instead of a g |
| 14:47.25 | mnemoc | kkk |
| 14:47.32 | mnemoc | s/k/j/2 |
| 14:47.39 | mnemoc | meh |
| 14:47.52 | mnemoc | crappy bot |
| 14:48.49 | alcides | mnemoc LOL |
| 14:49.01 | alcides | ibot don't you like makomk? |
| 14:49.18 | alcides | s/makomk/mnemoc/ |
| 14:52.51 | Turl | mnemoc: it doesn't do regex either |
| 14:52.55 | Turl | s/./g/ |
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| 17:11.46 | gzamboni | mnemoc, do you know how many days or weeks does it takes to receive cubieboard in eu from china air mail ?? |
| 17:11.48 | gzamboni | im tracking it on 17track.net but the status is always: View ReportNov 1, 2012 1:14:00 PM Status:Departure from outward office of exchange, Location:GUANGDONG |
| 17:11.50 | Turl | gzamboni: usually takes around a month |
| 17:11.51 | gzamboni | sometimes it just doent work or i get a chinese response that i dont understand |
| 17:12.17 | gzamboni | humm, ok |
| 17:12.17 | gzamboni | thx |
| 17:12.21 | mnemoc | china post is very unreliable these days. things get stuck in their export customs for weeks/months |
| 17:13.19 | Turl | gzamboni: check on your local post tracking system |
| 17:13.23 | mnemoc | DX sent my last orders via SG Post.... fancy |
| 17:13.48 | mnemoc | aliexpress even had to add a warning banner about the delays the last month |
| 17:14.22 | mnemoc | but departure nov 1 is too soon even for the best case |
| 17:15.01 | gzamboni | ;) |
| 17:16.35 | Turl | it'll arrive around the 20th if you're lucky, on december otherwise :) |
| 17:17.08 | mnemoc | to spain 2-3w counts as normal |
| 17:18.10 | mnemoc | or .ar.... two months? :p |
| 17:18.12 | mnemoc | s/or/to/ |
| 17:18.53 | rm | yep also new year gifts season |
| 17:19.57 | Turl | mnemoc: a month is typical |
| 17:22.41 | mnemoc | when I was in chile, a month was lucky :< |
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| 21:20.40 | SquirrelCZECH | hmm |
| 21:20.47 | SquirrelCZECH | just question... |
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| 21:21.19 | SquirrelCZECH | I've ordered my cubies (2x) (rich packages) by paypal.. when I can get it in Central Europe? |
| 21:21.26 | SquirrelCZECH | (czech republic) |
| 21:21.33 | SquirrelCZECH | january at least? :D |
| 21:22.04 | mnemoc | 4-5 weeks after the funds of the campaign are released |
| 21:23.05 | SquirrelCZECH | ok, thanks :-) |
| 21:23.31 | SquirrelCZECH | so after 8-9 weeks |
| 21:23.43 | SquirrelCZECH | (4 weeks to release funds) |
| 21:23.50 | SquirrelCZECH | which means 3 months :-/ |
| 21:23.54 | SquirrelCZECH | so january! :D |
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| 21:30.06 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: I'm tring to get the campaign truncated, but no response yet |
| 21:33.22 | SquirrelCZECH | I hope you will be successfull |
| 21:33.35 | SquirrelCZECH | *successful |
| 21:36.04 | mnemoc | the other way is to reach 90k |
| 21:36.18 | mnemoc | that would mean enough funds in paypal to buy the components |
| 21:36.28 | mnemoc | so go and find more supporters! |
| 21:37.17 | odium | I supported but could only afford the 60$ option, I just got here, what kind of delay should i expect, will i get an email when the unit gets shipped. |
| 21:37.29 | maciel310 | at this rate probably more likely to hit 90k before you even hear back from indiegogo... |
| 21:37.56 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 21:38.56 | mnemoc | odium: the campaign is to fund manufacturing. shipping should be around a month after the funds get released |
| 21:39.00 | mnemoc | maciel310: :) |
| 21:39.04 | mnemoc | maciel310: that would be nice |
| 21:40.01 | maciel310 | haha yeah, definitely. tho doesn't exactly say much about indiegogo's support team |
| 21:40.10 | mnemoc | :p |
| 21:41.46 | odium | mnemoc, awesome, i wonder if I am really new to the embedded world what should I learn to make sense of the pinouts on the device? |
| 21:42.02 | SquirrelCZECH | ah... just wanted to ask the same :D |
| 21:42.27 | SquirrelCZECH | SPI0, SDIO3, CSI1/TS, CSI0/TS seems little ... unknow for me :D |
| 21:43.11 | mnemoc | there is an incomplete mapping from the names in the schematics to the PIO names of the SoC at http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard#Expansion_ports |
| 21:43.54 | mnemoc | those that are links are the real name of the pin, and each pin supports a bunch of fuctions, not only the one suggested in the schematics |
| 21:44.09 | mnemoc | help completing the info in the wiki is welcomed |
| 21:45.13 | odium | I would love to help |
| 21:45.43 | odium | I am still very unfamiliar with everything |
| 21:46.00 | mnemoc | so take the schematics of the board and the datasheet of the A10 and dive in :) |
| 21:46.16 | mnemoc | it's pretty easy |
| 21:46.26 | mnemoc | just... time consuming |
| 21:47.57 | odium | a10 data sheet |
| 21:48.01 | odium | gotcha |
| 21:48.28 | maciel310 | if you're trying to interface with external stuff on the IO pins you could take a look at microcontroller tutorials (arduino, etc). For the most part concepts there should transfer over decently well |
| 21:49.21 | maciel310 | other than the specifics of how to actually interface with it (ex, arduino is just a function call from a C++ program, linux based generally deals with Filesystem for manipulating I/O) |
| 21:49.51 | maciel310 | though from what I understand the filesystem mapping isn't 100% complete on the cubieboard (correct me if I'm wrong mnemoc) |
| 21:50.55 | mnemoc | i was refering to what functions each pin supports, not about how to use them :) |
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| 21:52.04 | maciel310 | right, more in response to SquirrelCZECH and odium, but figured you'd know whether the fs integration is implemented for manipulating the io |
| 21:52.59 | mnemoc | there is a crappy driver to export certain pins over /sys |
| 21:53.12 | mnemoc | not ideal, but does the job |
| 21:53.12 | odium | oh thats neat |
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| 21:53.48 | mnemoc | eventually we (the sunxi kernel) will support standard gpiolib |
| 21:54.14 | maciel310 | ah cool |
| 21:59.32 | mnemoc | rellla: libv just posted a patchset for mali-libs to the linux-sunxi list, not sure if you rely on that repo, but you might be interested |
| 22:02.18 | rellla | mnemoc: should be no problem to adapt the xbmc-dependency-makefiles to use a new structure. at least no working binarys should get lost. currently xbmc uses r3p0-armhf-fb-libs |
| 22:02.51 | mnemoc | rellla: ok |
| 22:09.26 | odium | I'd rather spdif than ir out but ir can be usefull too |
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| 22:13.15 | mnemoc | http://linux-sunxi.org/LIRC |
| 22:14.14 | rellla | mnemoc: works ;-) |
| 22:16.28 | mnemoc | :) |
| 22:17.23 | rellla | when do you plan to commit libv's patchset? |
| 22:18.13 | mnemoc | i was going to give it until tomorrow so people can scream |
| 22:26.42 | odium | that's exactly what i was thinking. thanks mnemoc |
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