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| 09:27.35 | conra | hi |
| 09:59.33 | thofle | hey |
| 10:06.44 | discopig | hi |
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| 13:59.58 | debianin | today this chanel i quiet |
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| 15:13.17 | des2 | Well make some noise... |
| 15:52.19 | RUNick | debianin, not only chanel. No news on cubieboard.org, indiegogo.com of forum... |
| 15:52.45 | RUNick | *or forum |
| 15:52.56 | RUNick | Sombady knows anything about curren state of the Crowd funding campaign? |
| 15:52.59 | mnemoc | what news do you look for? |
| 15:53.28 | mnemoc | the goal is reached, the campaign (and funding release) at the mid of dec. |
| 15:53.46 | mnemoc | s/campaign/campaign ends/ |
| 15:55.08 | mnemoc | the goal was reached late on friday, any further action needs to wait until monday (at least) |
| 15:57.08 | debianin | RUNick, the are on party cos they got 50K success fount. |
| 15:57.18 | debianin | :) |
| 15:57.48 | mnemoc | party? it's a pretty stressful situation |
| 15:57.59 | debianin | im kidding |
| 15:58.03 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:58.21 | debianin | to get 50% in 10 days means ppl are interested in the projecy |
| 15:58.24 | debianin | ptoject |
| 15:58.30 | debianin | PROJECT! |
| 15:59.24 | debianin | mnemoc, afaik uNMd solved the problem of black display in case of DVI. do you know he submit a patch? |
| 15:59.25 | mnemoc | any further action implies begging. to indiegogo to make a pre-payment; paypal to un-block the account; someone in .cn willing to lend the money for manufacturing considering the funds are already; or beg for supporters to understand they won't be able to manufacture (and ship) before the funding campaign ends |
| 15:59.51 | mnemoc | debianin: I've have not seen any related patch |
| 15:59.58 | debianin | ok |
| 16:00.19 | debianin | do u mean massive production start only in december ? bad news |
| 16:00.33 | mnemoc | no money, no production |
| 16:00.49 | mnemoc | if indiegogo doesn't release it there isn't much to do |
| 16:01.02 | debianin | it a burocratical bug. |
| 16:01.09 | mnemoc | and they have no obligation to release until a week after the end of the campaign |
| 16:01.26 | debianin | i mean, they should relase money asap target is reached |
| 16:01.30 | mnemoc | and then another week for the money to reach china |
| 16:01.44 | RUNick | Project very intresting. Public waits for devices to play :) |
| 16:01.46 | mnemoc | debianin: we will see. on monday :) |
| 16:02.21 | debianin | mmm it mean ppl will get board end of 2 month of 2013 |
| 16:02.41 | mnemoc | tom said that having the money he can ship within a month |
| 16:02.51 | debianin | s/2/2nd/ |
| 16:03.04 | mnemoc | in the worst case, yes |
| 16:03.20 | mnemoc | and sucks |
| 16:03.34 | mnemoc | so, not really a joyful situation atm |
| 16:03.48 | debianin | i learn to think worst case. |
| 16:04.03 | debianin | at least ppl pay, means they like |
| 16:04.34 | mnemoc | yeah |
| 16:05.24 | mnemoc | also means that, if indiegogo grants a pre-payment, components for more than 1k+ can be bough and more than 1k+ boards go in the first run |
| 16:05.26 | debianin | i bet campain will go over 120K |
| 16:05.56 | mnemoc | *if* indiegogo releases these 50k now |
| 16:08.07 | debianin | what is the rule of indiegogo? if the rule is "at the end" so they will do (and do porfint on bank interest in thr meantime) |
| 16:08.11 | mnemoc | but I also bet more than 2k boards will be sold |
| 16:08.20 | mnemoc | debianin: yes :| |
| 16:09.04 | debianin | business is business, you know. |
| 16:10.26 | debianin | i guess how rpi was able to pay initial 10K board they did... |
| 16:10.57 | mnemoc | debianin: broadcom |
| 16:11.37 | debianin | broadcom fount initial manufacturing? interesting. |
| 16:12.10 | debianin | so the increase their busines |
| 16:15.44 | debianin | hope not 2K but 4K board in 3rd batch, so they can have more money fo 4th batch and so on. |
| 16:15.45 | mnemoc | the pandaboards are even sold undercost |
| 16:16.11 | mnemoc | with TI's marketing budget |
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| 16:20.06 | des2 | Another thing It sells below cost: https://estore.ti.com/MSP-EXP430G2-MSP430-LaunchPad-Value-Line-Development-kit-P2031.aspx |
| 16:21.40 | Gumboot | I doubt Broadcom contributed financially. |
| 16:23.55 | debianin | skilled ppl should focus to create plug-and-play image as soon as was done for rpi with RASPBIAN |
| 16:24.46 | des2 | As far as I know the inital RPi production was financed by loans the founders took out. |
| 16:26.00 | des2 | Then when it was a success Farnell and RS Electronics provided financing. |
| 16:26.09 | debianin | i was partially unsutisfied by poor hardware in rpi, instead cb hardware is more near to a normal pc's capabilities. |
| 16:26.43 | des2 | Yes with no SATA and a slow CPU the RPi isn't really a good PC. |
| 16:26.55 | debianin | i run on firefos and chromium that crashs on rpi. |
| 16:27.16 | des2 | The initial 256MB was low also. |
| 16:28.56 | debianin | yes. |
| 16:29.48 | debianin | i was not sutisfied. good for little acctivities, no at all to surf the web. |
| 16:30.06 | des2 | Yes too slow cpu for satisfactory surfing. |
| 16:30.20 | Gumboot | Don't surf! Learn! |
| 16:30.36 | des2 | I surf to learn.... |
| 16:30.48 | Gumboot | And learn to surf. |
| 16:31.31 | mnemoc | most people seems to only see it as a cheap way to watch movies :| |
| 16:31.41 | mnemoc | not as a development/learning platform |
| 16:32.02 | Gumboot | If you wanted a cheap development/learning platform you'd do just fine with virtualbox. |
| 16:33.17 | Gumboot | How good is cubieboard gooing to be in that respect, anyway? |
| 16:33.33 | Gumboot | Is the video processor fit to cover everything that matters? |
| 16:33.49 | mnemoc | yes |
| 16:34.21 | mnemoc | the missing link are the bindings to the usual media frameworks |
| 16:34.31 | mnemoc | gst, ffmpeg, ... |
| 16:34.59 | mnemoc | hopefully someone will do libva bindings and solve the problem for everyone |
| 16:35.32 | Gumboot | And it's the drivers for this bit that was causing all the drama with xbmc or whatever, was it? |
| 16:36.14 | mnemoc | same drivers with different developers ended up working just fine |
| 16:36.44 | mnemoc | http://linux-sunxi.org/XBMC |
| 16:37.05 | des2 | Actually the PI seems split beween the Media Center people and those wanting to use it as a powerful microcontroller using the GPIO pins. |
| 16:37.49 | mnemoc | the cubie has like 90 usable gpios in the headers |
| 16:38.22 | mnemoc | but the kernel/development side it's still poor |
| 16:38.33 | mnemoc | there is no smooth way to use them, yet |
| 16:39.57 | debianin | mnemoc, o see the gpio payout, many of these 96 pins are already allocated (display, etc). |
| 16:40.34 | Gumboot | Surely there are hundreds of far more appropriate microcontrollers available at a tenth of the price. |
| 16:40.38 | debianin | i hope soon there will be driver to user free GPIO pins for I/O |
| 16:41.08 | debianin | Gumboot, CB is not a microcontroller, it can act as mocrocontroller but is not. |
| 16:41.51 | Gumboot | Indeed. Neither rpi nor cb strike me as altogether sensible in microcontroller applications. |
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| 16:42.07 | des2 | The RPi occupies a unique price/size/power use point. |
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| 16:42.29 | Gumboot | does it really, though? |
| 16:42.36 | des2 | When the $25 version is released before Christmas it will be even more attractive. |
| 16:42.55 | des2 | Well What are the alternatives for $35Gumboot ? |
| 16:43.10 | debianin | many projects are based on rpi. |
| 16:43.27 | debianin | if rpi can do, cb can better :) |
| 16:43.47 | debianin | alteratives? look here. www.acmesystems.it/terra |
| 16:43.53 | des2 | There are better computers than cubieboard, but are there better tiny $60 computers ? |
| 16:44.54 | des2 | debianin you can't buy that board yet though. |
| 16:45.06 | debianin | terra S.o.M. is 400Mhz, 128/256M, up to 60 GPIO. |
| 16:45.06 | Gumboot | des2: When I had more time for electronics there seemed to be a contiuum from $5 to $+inf for the hobbyist. Sure the cheap ones were gutless, but they climed quickly. |
| 16:45.22 | debianin | des2, i will receive mine asap :) |
| 16:45.26 | Gumboot | I don't know... maybe inflation has changed things far more drastically than I can comprehend. |
| 16:45.47 | des2 | Well Gunboot what would you rather buy for $35 than the RPi ? |
| 16:46.04 | Gumboot | has to go and figure out what's worth $35 these days. |
| 16:46.08 | des2 | There's always something better for more money. |
| 16:46.21 | des2 | It's like arguing cubiboard vs Pi |
| 16:46.32 | des2 | cubiboard is better but costs a little more. |
| 16:46.37 | debianin | i did wrong. the SOM is www.acmesystems.it/aria, already on market. |
| 16:46.46 | des2 | Is it worth it ? For some people yes other no. |
| 16:47.07 | debianin | des2, cb deserve to be payed mor cos give more |
| 16:47.07 | Gumboot | des2: I'd generally expect to pay a lot less than $35 for anything I might do, but also to sacrifice some performance. |
| 16:47.46 | Gumboot | So I'd have to try to think of something far more compute-intensive to justify going all the way up to $35, and I haven't seen it yet. |
| 16:48.07 | Gumboot | Aside from video and 3D, obviously, but that's that other crowd. |
| 16:48.46 | des2 | That's the point there are cheaper things and better things but are there cheaper & better things... |
| 16:48.55 | des2 | That's always the question. |
| 16:49.02 | debianin | Gumboot, if u want uC-price and uP-capabilities, go for http://www.acmesystems.it/aria |
| 16:49.22 | Gumboot | Well that's my question. Is $35 really such a great price for an ARM11? |
| 16:50.35 | des2 | Apparently a million people this year think so. |
| 16:50.35 | debianin | Gumboot, it was good price/performance rstio at start of 2012, now is not. |
| 16:50.45 | des2 | Ihaven't bought one yet though. |
| 16:50.48 | debianin | s/rstio/rstio/ |
| 16:51.13 | debianin | des2, think so cos no alternatives... now there is CB upper case and ARIA low case |
| 16:51.52 | Gumboot | I think some portion of a million people think it's a good price for a set-top-box. |
| 16:51.58 | debianin | i mean : aria > raspberry > CB. |
| 16:54.21 | Gumboot | Of those doing embedded stuff with it that doesn't require video or 3D, I'd guess that it's more likely that it's the first time anybody's actually slapped them in the face and shouted "look, cheap compute!" at them loud enough for it to stick in. |
| 16:54.55 | Gumboot | That and they can do it in python. |
| 16:57.53 | mnemoc | debianin: the function of each of those pins is defined in the script.bin, they are inputs by default |
| 16:58.02 | mnemoc | debianin: each pin ca |
| 16:58.11 | mnemoc | debianin: each pin has 4-5 different functions |
| 16:58.35 | mnemoc | debianin: only the "special" function is shown in the schematics, it doesn't mean it's their only function |
| 16:59.39 | debianin | ahh now is more clear, thanks mnemoc |
| 17:00.14 | mnemoc | http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard#Expansion_ports |
| 17:00.36 | mnemoc | those P%c%d things are the real name |
| 17:00.57 | mnemoc | I translated most of them, but no one continued my work :< |
| 17:00.59 | debianin | i hope they will give info about how modify pin's behaviour, |
| 17:01.12 | mnemoc | info is all in the wiki |
| 17:01.23 | debianin | ook |
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| 20:00.44 | bstag_home | what goes into the script.fex to set mac? Right now i have it under [dynamic] MAC = "16EFD56EF6A3" |
| 20:01.54 | Turl | bstag_home: I think that's all it needs |
| 20:03.38 | bstag_home | yeah i see this in dmesg so i must be wrong some where. 1.470000] emac MAC isn't valid! |
| 20:04.29 | bstag_home | wonder if i am replacing the rigth script.bin |
| 20:04.54 | bstag_home | replacing one in /dev/nanda |
| 20:06.08 | bstag_home | i am booting of a miniand ubuntu 12.04 sd |
| 20:06.30 | mnemoc | bstag_home: you have 2 digits too much |
| 20:07.23 | mnemoc | no idea what miniand's u-boot loads. it should be script.bin, but there are some stupid images out there loading evb.bin |
| 20:07.46 | mnemoc | bstag_home: but 10 chars only |
| 20:07.50 | mnemoc | not 12 |
| 20:08.04 | bstag_home | ahh so one set it set by hardware itself? |
| 20:08.20 | mnemoc | no, it's random |
| 20:09.01 | mnemoc | the linux kernel resets it to mac_addr= or dynamic.MAC |
| 20:14.44 | bstag_home | thanks will modify and replace |
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| 20:52.54 | hno | mnemoc, MAC addresses are 6 octets (12 hex chars) |
| 21:08.58 | mnemoc | hno: i don't remember why the driver doesn't like 12 hex chars but I remember I cutted out the first 2 0s of mine |
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| 21:09.05 | SquirrelCZECH | hello! :-) |
| 21:09.14 | mnemoc | hno: but of course it's a bug |
| 21:09.31 | SquirrelCZECH | I was just wondering, if cubie board is fully funded now... If will fund it later... I will still get a one? |
| 21:09.43 | SquirrelCZECH | P.S: and when we will be able to use that damn paypal? |
| 21:10.29 | mnemoc | SquirrelCZECH: no paypal yet, but if more $ is collected, more boards will be made |
| 21:11.27 | SquirrelCZECH | ok |
| 21:11.34 | SquirrelCZECH | and when there will be paypal? :D |
| 21:11.47 | mnemoc | when paypal decides so |
| 21:11.51 | SquirrelCZECH | :-/ |
| 21:12.01 | SquirrelCZECH | it sounds like there is possibility for "never" |
| 21:12.19 | mnemoc | they asked for some documents, which were already uploaded |
| 21:12.27 | mnemoc | s/were/are/ |
| 21:12.44 | SquirrelCZECH | ah... |
| 21:12.59 | SquirrelCZECH | ok, your opinion? |
| 21:13.11 | mnemoc | hopefully soon |
| 21:13.12 | SquirrelCZECH | are we gonna to be able to pay by paypal or not? |
| 21:13.26 | mnemoc | i hope so, yes |
| 21:13.30 | Turl | quoting an internet guy, "PayPal have all the power of a bank and yet none of the responsibility." |
| 21:14.07 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 21:14.29 | mnemoc | bstag_home: did it help to shrink the mac to 10? if so, can you file a ticket on the issue tracker? |
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| 21:20.53 | debianin | if it is possible to use the miniUSB as a normal usp to connect mouse, keybord, memory stick and so on? |
| 21:23.38 | mnemoc | leaving kernel bugs aside, yes |
| 21:27.31 | rm | what kernel bugs |
| 21:28.12 | mnemoc | there are reports of panics unplugging the devices |
| 21:28.33 | rm | afaik you have to select in your script.bin, which mode you want for the miniUSB port |
| 21:28.37 | debianin | i just tru to connect a usb memory stick and it is not seen by CB. if i use a normal usb port it is seen, |
| 21:28.53 | rm | well then it's as I said ^ |
| 21:29.19 | debianin | so miniUSB cant swithc automatically between the 2 modes? |
| 21:29.27 | SquirrelCZECH | btw: I have question for you |
| 21:29.36 | SquirrelCZECH | do you think that cubie would be able to handle skype? :D |
| 21:29.47 | mnemoc | change from host to slave (and back) of the OTG port is an electrical thing, if it doesn't happen automatically it's a software bug |
| 21:29.48 | rm | debianin, no idea |
| 21:29.50 | debianin | for you "who"? |
| 21:29.57 | debianin | SquirrelCZECH, for you "who"? |
| 21:30.03 | Turl | SquirrelCZECH: on android, possibly I guess |
| 21:31.25 | SquirrelCZECH | Turl: on linux? O:-) |
| 21:31.27 | Turl | debianin: sounds like a "you all" to me :P |
| 21:31.28 | SquirrelCZECH | debianin: O_o |
| 21:31.32 | SquirrelCZECH | yep... |
| 21:31.33 | SquirrelCZECH | :D |
| 21:31.46 | mnemoc | crappy english and it's plural/singular "you" |
| 21:31.48 | Turl | SquirrelCZECH: I'm not aware of Skype releasing linux arm binaries |
| 21:32.05 | SquirrelCZECH | eh |
| 21:32.05 | Turl | (skype is proprietary y'know :P) |
| 21:32.07 | SquirrelCZECH | yep... |
| 21:32.10 | SquirrelCZECH | i forgot... |
| 21:32.17 | SquirrelCZECH | so... any other voip sw? |
| 21:32.34 | mnemoc | yes, there are tons of free software sip clients |
| 21:32.41 | Turl | there's many, indeed |
| 21:32.58 | debianin | sorry, in my language there is difference betwee "you" suingular person and "you" olural person, so i got confused. |
| 21:33.02 | mnemoc | also xmpp clients with video and voice support, but fewer |
| 21:33.28 | SquirrelCZECH | ok |
| 21:33.33 | SquirrelCZECH | to be honest |
| 21:33.44 | SquirrelCZECH | I want to create wifi-controlled robot with cubieboard |
| 21:33.53 | SquirrelCZECH | so I just want to stream webcam from cubieboard to another pc |
| 21:33.59 | SquirrelCZECH | *livestream |
| 21:34.55 | mnemoc | with some love you can even use the video encoder the A10 has |
| 21:35.04 | Turl | debianin: yeah, pretty much every other language other than english has that distinction :P |
| 21:35.09 | mnemoc | but neon is perfectly capable |
| 21:35.35 | SquirrelCZECH | neon? |
| 21:36.01 | Turl | ARM SIMD extensions |
| 21:36.08 | mnemoc | a "feature" of the arm chip |
| 21:36.57 | SquirrelCZECH | O_o |
| 21:37.12 | mnemoc | so yes, hardware can do what you want. with or without using proprietary libraries |
| 21:37.30 | SquirrelCZECH | oh... |
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| 22:49.47 | bstag_home | @mnemoc will elt you know on 10 vs 12. miniland image was not what i was updating in my testing yet it was what i was loading up. Moving back over to buildroot image. should get fully tested tonight with that need to get sshd setup on it so i can use it headless |
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| 23:08.41 | mnemoc | new http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/amery/sunxi-3.0/latest/ .... with warm reboot problem fixed |
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| 23:30.01 | bstag_home | how do i use those? |
| 23:35.47 | mnemoc | bstag_home: it was a "global" announcement/spam, not directed to your problem :) |
| 23:36.24 | bstag_home | figured still was wondering how to use them.. i unpucked it and look at structure ans answered my own question |
| 23:36.48 | mnemoc | :) |
| 23:37.00 | mnemoc | there are scripts to make images with that |
| 23:37.14 | bstag_home | where are those at? |
| 23:37.17 | mnemoc | mixing the "hardware pack" with a root filesystem |
| 23:37.36 | mnemoc | https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-bsp |
| 23:37.39 | mnemoc | but still WIP |
| 23:38.18 | bstag_home | ok Will play with that.. not my first rodeo |
| 23:38.47 | mnemoc | :) |
| 23:38.57 | mnemoc | help and comments are always welcomed :) |
| 23:45.02 | bstag_home | using 4.7 ? |
| 23:47.58 | bstag_home | will go with 4.6 i would guess that is the version being used |
| 23:50.58 | mnemoc | i just use the 4.6 that comes on ubuntu 12.04... no troubles so far |
| 23:51.16 | mnemoc | but I know arch people uses newer toolchains |
| 23:52.22 | bstag_home | "/home/bstag/sunxi-bsp/u-boot-sunxi/arch/arm/cpu/armv7/start.S:372: undefined reference to `lowlevel_init'" |
| 23:52.47 | mnemoc | o_O |
| 23:52.53 | mnemoc | 4.7? |
| 23:52.59 | bstag_home | no 4.6 |
| 23:53.14 | bstag_home | running this on th enon experimental pc |
| 23:54.12 | mnemoc | weird |
| 23:54.42 | bstag_home | yeah getting a few of those as you might guess |
| 23:55.01 | bstag_home | will get a pastbin running with it and try and find the missing references in my setup |
| 23:55.16 | mnemoc | J=1 please :) |
| 23:55.33 | mnemoc | (that becomes -j$J) |
| 23:56.24 | bstag_home | i just did standard git clone configured for 512 cubie and ran make |
| 23:57.40 | mnemoc | make u-boot J=1 2>&1 | tee meh.txt |
| 23:58.19 | bstag_home | gotcha once sec |