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| 04:31.03 | stoggi | Hello, does anybody know an estimate of the read/write speeds to the NAND flash on the cubieboard? |
| 04:46.59 | Sv | hi |
| 04:47.15 | Sv | stoggi, from (personal) benchmarks, read speeds are about 6-9M/sec |
| 04:47.19 | Sv | write speeds are 5-7 |
| 04:47.36 | Sv | i tested it out with dd, SD card got 15-20m/sec on read/write |
| 04:47.43 | Sv | M* |
| 04:48.14 | stoggi | Sv: Thank you, that's helpful :) |
| 04:48.48 | Sv | i ran ubuntu from the NAND, and it was quite speedy |
| 04:48.52 | Sv | so i wouldn't be worried about speeds too much |
| 04:49.00 | Sv | i had /home mounted on the sd though |
| 04:50.00 | stoggi | Ah, nice. That's good. |
| 04:50.39 | Sv | even ran xorg+xfce, etc |
| 04:51.02 | stoggi | cool. I need to get my hands on one to play with now. |
| 04:56.03 | Sv | did you see the indiegogo thing? |
| 04:56.17 | Sv | i wish i had seen it when the $20 boards were still available i would have picked up one more |
| 04:56.28 | Sv | http://www.indiegogo.com/cubieboard |
| 05:00.55 | stoggi | Yeah, I did. I have contributed to get two :D I'm also hoping to get one a bit earlier to play with. I've posted to the mailing list to see if anyone has a spare they want to sell. |
| 05:18.29 | Sv | stoggi: if i had an extra one i'd have gladly sent you it for free |
| 05:18.30 | Sv | damn he left |
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| 09:22.25 | mnemoc | 75%! |
| 09:22.49 | mnemoc | and still no paypal :'( |
| 09:24.55 | rm | meh |
| 09:24.59 | rm | paypal gets less business |
| 09:25.10 | rm | hipboi still gets money from credit cards |
| 09:25.24 | rm | so paypal just punished themselves |
| 09:26.48 | debianin | paypal get to much arrogant and dictatoral against they customers. customers should go to other providers. |
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| 09:29.47 | discopig | yeah |
| 09:29.52 | discopig | i really don't like paypal |
| 09:30.05 | discopig | they closed my account years ago with about $3000 in it |
| 09:30.09 | discopig | never refunded it or let me get it back |
| 09:30.15 | discopig | since then i haven't used them |
| 09:32.41 | mnemoc | oych |
| 09:32.51 | mnemoc | ouch |
| 09:48.24 | debianin | as they are doing "open" systems (GNU/Linux, cubieboard, etc) trhey should start to do "open" systems to replace also these paypal, etc. |
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| 09:49.47 | mnemoc | that's bitcoin |
| 09:50.14 | mnemoc | but it's at best barely legal in very few countries |
| 09:50.45 | rm | haha good joke |
| 09:50.55 | rm | and he said not replacing money, but replacing paypal |
| 09:51.19 | mnemoc | true :) |
| 09:56.06 | discopig | the problem with bitcoin is it's so volatile it's not very convenient as payment method for things like this |
| 09:56.21 | discopig | at this point bitcoin is mostly gambling |
| 09:56.36 | discopig | although i love the concept |
| 09:57.43 | mnemoc | there are paypalish startups like wepay.com and stripe.com |
| 09:57.51 | mnemoc | but afaik they are all us-only |
| 09:58.24 | mnemoc | so... moneybookers seems to be the only competitor they have |
| 10:03.18 | discopig | yeah |
| 10:03.27 | discopig | paypal really has a monopoly |
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| 10:20.51 | tonebank | hi |
| 10:21.22 | tonebank | anyone followed the guide on makeing xmbc on sunix? |
| 10:22.45 | tonebank | I get error libshh dont exsist |
| 10:25.44 | debianin | tonebank, what is sunix? |
| 10:26.07 | tonebank | http://linux-sunxi.org |
| 10:26.59 | debianin | ah, sunxi, not sunix :) |
| 10:28.26 | tonebank | yeah :9 |
| 10:30.06 | mnemoc | tonebank: that's unrelated to the sunxi platform. the cubieboard comes with a buildroot based system preinstalled. if you want to add packages to that I fear you will have to build them yourself |
| 10:30.26 | mnemoc | another way is to replace the rootfs with something you are more familiar with |
| 10:30.48 | tonebank | I use linaro ubuntu |
| 10:31.24 | tonebank | but used the guide on sunxi |
| 10:31.29 | mnemoc | and you can't find libssh ?? |
| 10:31.35 | tonebank | no |
| 10:31.38 | debianin | pity still not pure debian rootfs avaiable :( |
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| 10:32.09 | mnemoc | debianin: you can always debootstrap |
| 10:32.24 | debianin | debootstrap? |
| 10:32.36 | mnemoc | tonebank: you might need to add other sources to your apt.conf |
| 10:32.55 | mnemoc | universe or even multiverse for example |
| 10:33.02 | debianin | oce more you show me how much i dont know :) |
| 10:33.14 | tonebank | mnemoc: i have universe |
| 10:33.17 | debianin | s/oce/once/ |
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| 10:34.21 | mnemoc | tonebank: try libssh-dev |
| 10:34.32 | mnemoc | tonebank: but no idea why xbmc might need it |
| 10:34.50 | tonebank | ok thanx |
| 10:35.05 | tonebank | will try later tonight |
| 10:35.20 | mnemoc | `apt-cache search` offers me libssh-4 and libssh2-1 |
| 10:35.31 | mnemoc | no idea which xbmc wants |
| 10:36.02 | mnemoc | debianin: basically http://linux-sunxi.org/Bootable_SD_card#Ubuntu_Precise_Userspace but using a debian repo |
| 10:36.38 | mnemoc | but i'm 90% sure there are debian rootfs tarballs |
| 10:36.38 | tonebank | libssh2-1-dev |
| 10:37.25 | mnemoc | $ apt-cache showsrc libssh2-1-dev |
| 10:37.29 | mnemoc | Directory: pool/universe/libs/libssh2 |
| 10:37.47 | mnemoc | Section: universe/libs |
| 10:37.56 | tonebank | strange I could not find it |
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| 11:21.23 | e-ndy | all: cubieboard is capable to decode h264? |
| 11:22.04 | discopig | if they get CedarX working on linux yes |
| 11:22.24 | discopig | from what i remember there's been some progress for cedarx on armhf, and it already works on armel i think |
| 11:22.27 | discopig | i may be mistaken |
| 11:22.41 | discopig | it already all works on android |
| 11:33.28 | mnemoc | we have armhf libs these days |
| 11:34.44 | mnemoc | https://github.com/linux-sunxi/cedarx-libs/tree/master/libcedarv/linux-armhf |
| 11:35.17 | mnemoc | and they work fine on empat0's xbmc port |
| 11:38.21 | rz2k | tonebank: install libssh-4 and libssh-dev into your *target* fs |
| 11:39.02 | rz2k | this is quite obvious, installing it to your *host* fs will make it available to your *host*, not the thing you crosscompile for. |
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| 14:31.12 | pidpawel | did anyone tried xbmc and 1080p decoding on cb? |
| 14:33.49 | debianin | mnemoc, are you in? |
| 14:37.01 | mnemoc | depends |
| 14:39.29 | debianin | eheh |
| 14:39.54 | debianin | finally i gor a working uSD and i am following your "tutorial". |
| 14:40.52 | debianin | so i am afrai to bothe you again if i get problem :) |
| 14:41.19 | mnemoc | you can ask. just don't expect immediate answer :) |
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| 14:41.41 | mnemoc | also that tutorial wannabe is mostly overseeded by the bsp |
| 14:41.50 | debianin | bsp? |
| 14:42.08 | mnemoc | https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-bsp |
| 14:42.16 | debianin | go to read |
| 14:43.07 | debianin | i see. |
| 14:43.24 | debianin | anyway i start witho your tutorial. |
| 14:44.06 | debianin | now extrancting .7z file... see you later in case of problem :) |
| 14:44.14 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 14:59.23 | debianin | mnemoc, ok, i did the uSD. i "suppose" i did all ok. plug uSD in CB, givepower... it boot as usual from fash. it is normal ? or sall i force boot from uSD in some way? |
| 15:00.09 | RaYmAn | boot from sd happens automatically if inserted |
| 15:00.17 | RaYmAn | assuming the card is prepared correctly |
| 15:02.00 | debianin | mmm |
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| 15:02.28 | debianin | i did step-by-step this http://linux-sunxi.org/Bootable_SD_card |
| 15:02.29 | conra | hello |
| 15:02.53 | debianin | and used image from http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/amery/testing-3.0/2012-10-31_23:40:17/, image name cubieboard_hwpack.7z |
| 15:02.54 | conra | is CB can run FullHD under fedora + KDE? |
| 15:03.08 | conra | or fedora + Gnome3 |
| 15:03.36 | mnemoc | debianin: if you got the hardware pack, get script/sunxi-media-create.sh from sunxi-bsp and use that to make the card |
| 15:03.37 | debianin | now i try to download and use rootfs from http://releases.linaro.org/latest/ubuntu/precise-images/alip |
| 15:04.44 | debianin | mnemoc, "hardware pack" i dono what you talk about. my CB came togheter a sata cable and usb cable, no more. |
| 15:05.21 | mnemoc | cubieboard_hwpack.7z |
| 15:05.36 | mnemoc | hwpack = hardware pack |
| 15:05.55 | debianin | ah ok. |
| 15:06.00 | debianin | let me look iside. |
| 15:06.04 | debianin | inside. |
| 15:06.35 | mnemoc | the script will make the bootable image for you |
| 15:07.02 | debianin | cool! |
| 15:08.42 | mnemoc | it still needs more cleanup, but works fine |
| 15:09.02 | debianin | mmm i look deepe inside cubieboard_hwpack.7z but there is nor directory "scripts", only "bootloader", "kernel" and "rootfs" |
| 15:09.43 | mnemoc | and? |
| 15:10.01 | mnemoc | clone sunxi-bsp |
| 15:10.19 | mnemoc | the scripts are not included within the hwpack |
| 15:10.23 | debianin | i suppose script ypu talk about is inside that file. im wrong? |
| 15:10.28 | debianin | ah! |
| 15:10.28 | mnemoc | very |
| 15:10.33 | debianin | ok now is clear |
| 15:11.14 | debianin | im downloading linaro-precise-alip-20120923-397.tar.gz. is crip there inside? |
| 15:11.28 | debianin | s/crip/script/ |
| 15:11.37 | mnemoc | 16:01:58 < mnemoc> clone sunxi-bsp |
| 15:12.41 | debianin | i fount in https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-bsp/tree/master/scripts :) |
| 15:12.56 | mnemoc | /o\ |
| 15:13.00 | mnemoc | clone the f* repo |
| 15:13.18 | mnemoc | :( |
| 15:13.56 | debianin | im confused /o\ |
| 15:14.40 | mnemoc | do you know what 'cloning' means? |
| 15:15.17 | debianin | to clone = create a copy 100% identical to original |
| 15:15.37 | mnemoc | and know what github is? |
| 15:15.53 | debianin | no |
| 15:15.53 | debianin | never user github |
| 15:16.00 | debianin | i never used github |
| 15:16.24 | mnemoc | ok. so you don't know about git or version control |
| 15:16.33 | mnemoc | install `git` in your machine |
| 15:16.38 | debianin | no i dont. |
| 15:16.41 | debianin | ok let me do. |
| 15:16.49 | mnemoc | and `git clone git://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-bsp.git` |
| 15:17.01 | debianin | on the go. |
| 15:17.18 | conra | why on pic. at processor is A10 text, not A8? |
| 15:17.21 | mnemoc | that will create a copy of the sunxi-bsp repo in your disk, within a directory called.... sunxi-bsp |
| 15:17.33 | mnemoc | conra: A10 is product name |
| 15:17.42 | debianin | ok. btw, must work as root or is ok as normal user? |
| 15:17.49 | mnemoc | debianin: normal user |
| 15:17.51 | conra | can i play FullHD on CubieBoard? |
| 15:17.56 | debianin | ok |
| 15:18.27 | debianin | installi git on the go, 6 min left. |
| 15:19.18 | mnemoc | conra: not out of the box yet. but yes, hardware can, and libs are availabl |
| 15:19.28 | conra | ok |
| 15:20.22 | conra | so i can use it like raspberry, but, thats (cubieboard) has more performance? |
| 15:21.08 | debianin | conra, CB is powerfull than RP. |
| 15:21.17 | conra | gr8 :) |
| 15:21.36 | debianin | compare the hardware and you will see by yourself |
| 15:22.04 | conra | and processor can be overclock by me? |
| 15:22.14 | debianin | yes. |
| 15:22.42 | debianin | but 1Ghz is not enough for you? |
| 15:22.49 | conra | i dont know |
| 15:23.12 | conra | i wanna take there kde under fedora :) |
| 15:23.30 | debianin | mmmm |
| 15:23.34 | conra | and watch tv series/films in 720p/1080p at my tv |
| 15:23.42 | conra | but i can use xfce ;) |
| 15:23.52 | debianin | kde is too much i think. |
| 15:24.31 | conra | there is 96 gpio, rigt? |
| 15:24.36 | conra | s/rigt/right |
| 15:25.04 | debianin | conra, yes , as you can see on pictures. |
| 15:26.03 | debianin | mnemoc, "git clone" on the go :) |
| 15:26.16 | mnemoc | conra: not all pins can be used as gpio |
| 15:26.57 | debianin | yes, some of them are already configured for VGA, RS232, etc. |
| 15:27.42 | debianin | mnemoc, git clone completed. now? |
| 15:28.36 | mnemoc | now get the hwpack and the rootfs tarball in that dir |
| 15:29.24 | debianin | into sunxi-bsp, ok. |
| 15:31.56 | debianin | rootfs linaro still nor completed download, i have to wait a bit. |
| 15:34.40 | mnemoc | you can make a rootfs-less try first |
| 15:35.54 | debianin | i prefere to do complete activities, only 8MB left to download :) |
| 15:36.10 | conra | when ship will be started? |
| 15:36.52 | mnemoc | conra: the crowdfunding is to manufacture the 3rd batch |
| 15:36.56 | debianin | conra, as soon as the complete collecting money, they start the production. |
| 15:37.22 | debianin | conra, first you order, less you have to wait. |
| 15:37.54 | conra | i know it, but, if production will never started? Whats than? |
| 15:38.23 | debianin | mnemoc, ok, .tar.gz linaro image downloaded and moved to sunxi-bsp directory. now? |
| 15:38.33 | mnemoc | conra: all devices will be delivered anyway |
| 15:38.47 | mnemoc | debianin: now the script |
| 15:39.51 | conra | mnemoc: is this tested? Maybe there is some bug? |
| 15:40.24 | mnemoc | it's the 3rd batch, not the 1st |
| 15:40.28 | conra | ok |
| 15:40.38 | debianin | the hell he ash sudo password. not configured here. i redo as root |
| 15:40.40 | mnemoc | there are 250 devices in use in the wild |
| 15:40.54 | conra | $59 its a last price? |
| 15:41.10 | mnemoc | that is $49 + $10 of hkp shipping |
| 15:41.47 | conra | $49 is definitely last price per device? |
| 15:41.58 | mnemoc | yes |
| 15:42.01 | conra | ok |
| 15:43.01 | mnemoc | there is a 10x $700 with dhl shipping and accessories too |
| 15:43.54 | conra | i need only one :) |
| 15:44.34 | conra | but why CubieBoard hasn't investor? |
| 15:45.10 | mnemoc | we are all the investors ;-) |
| 15:45.18 | mnemoc | that's crowdfunding |
| 15:45.20 | RaYmAn | I suspect it's rather hard to find "real" investors for this kind of device |
| 15:56.21 | conra | mnemoc: so they have 3rd batch. Are they working under nexr rev.? |
| 15:56.49 | conra | or this is last rev. with will be shiped? |
| 15:57.10 | conra | s/with/which |
| 15:57.12 | conra | ;) |
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| 15:58.37 | debianin | mnemoc, uSD plugged, CB powered ad booted, im in commnad line. it works, command line incipit now say: "root@Å‚linarp-alip" |
| 15:59.21 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 15:59.33 | debianin | share my happynes, mnemoc :) |
| 15:59.49 | debianin | but still on comnd line, monitor still blank |
| 16:00.03 | debianin | i tried "startx" but no succes |
| 16:00.09 | mnemoc | you are the first known user of sunxi-bsp |
| 16:00.21 | debianin | ME! THE FIRST?!? ehehe |
| 16:00.29 | debianin | im am the cavia |
| 16:00.32 | debianin | :) |
| 16:00.37 | debianin | ok. |
| 16:00.47 | debianin | next step: make hdmi to works. |
| 16:00.49 | mnemoc | try the console=tty0 trick |
| 16:01.03 | debianin | ah yess! |
| 16:01.05 | debianin | let me reboot |
| 16:03.46 | debianin | the hell i forgot the sintax :( tel me once more, this time i write on paper! |
| 16:04.20 | mnemoc | see that last url in the topic of the channel? |
| 16:04.35 | debianin | ah! ok |
| 16:04.41 | debianin | i read irclog |
| 16:05.38 | debianin | done. |
| 16:05.41 | debianin | now reboot |
| 16:06.40 | debianin | no way :( |
| 16:07.01 | debianin | but /proc/cmdine say: console=ttyS0,115200 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait loglevel=8 panic=10 |
| 16:07.43 | debianin | confused man here :( |
| 16:14.40 | debianin | if i do "startx" it answer that "Server is already active for display 0" |
| 16:14.51 | mnemoc | just tried the exact same hwpack + rootfs |
| 16:15.15 | mnemoc | i get parts of the bootlog on the hdmi even without passing the extra console= |
| 16:15.48 | Turl | maybe your script.bin has a diff screen output set up |
| 16:15.57 | mnemoc | it's part of the hwpack |
| 16:16.08 | mnemoc | so we are running the same script.bin |
| 16:16.10 | debianin | my screen is 1440x900, maye this is a problme |
| 16:16.29 | mnemoc | possible. our disp driver isn't very.... flexible |
| 16:17.04 | debianin | mnemoc, i used cubieboard_hwpack.7z and linaro-precise-alip-20120923-397.tar.gz |
| 16:17.07 | debianin | no else. |
| 16:17.16 | debianin | btw, tha resolution has your monitor? |
| 16:17.52 | mnemoc | it's a motorola lapdock, 1366x768 |
| 16:17.57 | mnemoc | but hdmi, not dvi |
| 16:18.27 | debianin | mmm do you suspect converter hdmi/dvi give problem? |
| 16:18.47 | mnemoc | and now with console=tty0 I got my interactive console on hdmi too |
| 16:19.13 | mnemoc | don't know enough of that field to be able to point fingers |
| 16:19.48 | mnemoc | but you are running an hdmi console capable image 100% confirmed |
| 16:21.03 | mnemoc | next steps, setup ethernet/dhcp and ssh; then set the console thing again, but before `boot` call `saveenv`, to make it persistent |
| 16:21.14 | debianin | mnemoc, at this point i can only point the foinget to monitor, but i have not other monitor native hdmi to test oh., i have to pospone the actibity till i will be able to have one. |
| 16:21.16 | mnemoc | and then, go where someone with a real hdmi display |
| 16:21.47 | debianin | ssh still missing. |
| 16:22.09 | mnemoc | in the mean time, you have a headless arm server :) |
| 16:22.17 | debianin | ehhehe yes! |
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| 16:22.39 | debianin | i can start few tests as ethernet i/o |
| 16:22.45 | mnemoc | sure |
| 16:23.22 | debianin | of couse this never can be done without yu support, thanks a lot. |
| 16:24.03 | mnemoc | yw |
| 16:25.05 | debianin | now i set eth, then apt-get update/upgrade :D |
| 16:25.46 | mnemoc | :) |
| 16:25.53 | debianin | stay tuned :) |
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| 16:27.03 | mnemoc | btw, alip comes with desktop |
| 16:27.57 | mnemoc | lxde |
| 16:28.24 | debianin | yes, and it alst start (X is riunning) but no signal go to monitor. adapter is ok because i already use with raspberry... so, i suspect CB video drier to no be able to manage 1440x900 |
| 16:29.07 | mnemoc | debianin: go to #arm-netbook and ask about it |
| 16:29.14 | debianin | good idea |
| 16:29.26 | debianin | but firts i want to set eth0 |
| 16:29.48 | tinti | debianin: I think I have already asked about it but does cubie have a port to Android? Cyanogenmod? |
| 16:30.08 | debianin | tinti, i dont know |
| 16:30.44 | pidpawel | btw cb's console is 3v3? |
| 16:30.47 | tinti | maybe it is not so difficult to do :) I hope Cyanogen guys get it :) |
| 16:30.54 | mnemoc | pidpawel: yes |
| 16:31.41 | tinti | pidpawel: if you have one, you can use a MSP430 Launchpad as serial (but only at 9600). |
| 16:32.01 | mnemoc | tinti: you can build cm10 for a10, but iirc video encoding (camera) doesn't work |
| 16:32.10 | pidpawel | i have only ttl (5v) uart converters |
| 16:32.58 | tinti | mnemoc: thanks. I hope it gets a official port :) |
| 16:32.58 | mnemoc | it might survive if you only plug gnd, tx and rx |
| 16:34.47 | pidpawel | probably its easier to brode old cellphone cable :) |
| 16:37.18 | tinti | pidpawel: there are some 3v3 uart on ebay I can send a link |
| 16:37.51 | pidpawel | i you have them nearbay id be grateful ;) |
| 16:45.05 | tinti | http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-serial-adapter-PL2303-TTL-console-Recovery-RS232-/280809859002 |
| 16:47.41 | mnemoc | hipboi sells one too. http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/TTF-to-USB-Serial-line/511685_665830339.html |
| 16:48.29 | mnemoc | with pictures of the cubie :p |
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| 16:54.56 | tinti | wow this is nice |
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| 17:05.21 | mnemoc | debianin: something like http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDTV-hdmi-input-to-VGA-female-output-projectors-monitors-adapter-for-PC-Laptop-/251177043566 might solve your problem |
| 17:06.30 | debianin | i go to see, thanks. |
| 17:07.24 | debianin | rhat is a hdmi/vga converter... yes, my monitor as also vga input. |
| 17:08.47 | debianin | the hell! no wget, no w3m on this lianro mage! |
| 17:08.51 | debianin | image |
| 17:09.26 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:09.29 | f1r3 | curl ? |
| 17:09.46 | debianin | try to install but 0% [Connecting to ports.ubuntu.com] |
| 17:09.55 | debianin | that message repeat itself neverending |
| 17:10.16 | debianin | /etc/resolv.conf is ok |
| 17:10.51 | debianin | alsp apt-get uldate give the same message til timeout and error. |
| 17:16.19 | debianin | traceroute ins not on image! how can i test network connectio till i.e. google or ubuntu.com? |
| 17:16.49 | mnemoc | ping your gateway, ping your dns |
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| 17:18.50 | debianin | mmm no replay. |
| 17:18.56 | debianin | maybe i set bad gw |
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| 17:21.13 | tinti | mnemoc: are you sure that this hdmi/vga works? |
| 17:22.12 | mnemoc | if it really has a DAC inside, it should |
| 17:22.58 | tinti | yeah |
| 17:23.15 | tinti | It is because the others that I have seen were 50 dollars |
| 17:24.07 | mnemoc | get one and tell us :) |
| 17:26.14 | mnemoc | http://www.ebay.com/itm/251177043566 claims :1920*1200@60Hz and very explicit about having a DAC |
| 17:29.16 | tinti | mnemoc: :) |
| 17:29.38 | mnemoc | not bad for $12 if real |
| 17:30.34 | tinti | mnemoc: the guy has a good review. Not bad. |
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| 17:32.55 | rm | I ordered one from Aliexpress the other day |
| 17:33.08 | mnemoc | rm: same device? |
| 17:34.02 | rm | looks very similar, but in a white case and "miniHDMI-to-VGA" |
| 17:34.06 | rm | not full size HDMI |
| 17:34.34 | mnemoc | and how's the output? |
| 17:35.59 | rm | > ordered the other day |
| 17:36.00 | rm | :p |
| 17:38.19 | rm | mnemoc, from this store http://www.aliexpress.com/store/912670/search?SearchText=HDMI+VGA |
| 17:38.33 | rm | hm, now come to think of it, the product page of the one I ordered has NO detail whatsoever :D |
| 17:38.38 | rm | only photos of the device |
| 17:39.02 | rm | but oh well most likely it's all the same OEM anyway and no one will bother making non-DAC ones in the exact same case |
| 17:42.31 | mnemoc | yes |
| 17:43.22 | rm | I chose that seller because they have a lot of other useful crap^W stuff as well |
| 17:43.42 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:44.11 | debianin | ok, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade finally works! |
| 17:44.37 | mnemoc | just ordered that $12 from ebay |
| 17:44.57 | mnemoc | let see how it goes |
| 17:46.32 | mnemoc | if it's real 1920x1200 and works with the cubie it will be great. if it's not... well.... $12 doesn't hurt much |
| 17:50.29 | mnemoc | http://www.connector.cn/english/ .... the site of the seller. looks promising |
| 17:53.21 | tinti | www.connector.cn/english/ProductView.asp?ID=836&SortID=173 |
| 17:54.44 | mnemoc | looks interesting :) |
| 17:59.25 | mnemoc | can't find it on his ebay shop |
| 18:00.42 | hno | mnemoc, what do you mean by a DAC in hdmi->vga? |
| 18:02.13 | hno | VGA is analog. How would one be able to make an HDMI->VGA converter without some form of DAC? |
| 18:02.41 | pidpawel | tinti: mnemoc thanks for the links ;) |
| 18:02.54 | mnemoc | a chip to do the digital to analog conversion |
| 18:03.09 | mnemoc | hno: not sure what's the right term for those. |
| 18:03.40 | mnemoc | "a chip" :) |
| 18:03.41 | hno | a DAC does digital to analog conversation, one value at a time. |
| 18:05.29 | mnemoc | and how do you call a chip who does active conversion from hdmi to vga? dsp? |
| 18:09.18 | mnemoc | i'm very close to analphabet on that field. i only know that some just rearrange cables and play with voltages |
| 18:09.37 | mnemoc | while others are "smart" and really convert things |
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| 18:27.05 | debianin | mnemoc, at boot i get thiw message: "Warning: bad CRC. Using default enviroinment": could be suspected fro no monitor signal? |
| 18:27.28 | mnemoc | debianin: that's fine |
| 18:27.47 | debianin | do you mean: "it is right it happens"? |
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| 18:28.05 | mnemoc | it only telling you don't have a custom env |
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| 18:29.14 | debianin | ok. btw, how to activate non-free repos? i need 1211-firmware and other non free firmware. |
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| 18:34.24 | Narog | Hello all, anyone in here that can help with u-boot compilation? |
| 18:34.35 | debianin | bad news. i update the system, then istalle midnight commander (mc). but now special key( F1, F2, etc) are not reconnized. |
| 18:35.27 | mnemoc | Narog: what's the problem? |
| 18:35.51 | Narog | im getting a strange error, from mmc |
| 18:36.15 | Narog | spl: mmc blk read err - 0 |
| 18:36.56 | mnemoc | that doesn't look like "problem with u-boot compilation" |
| 18:37.19 | Narog | hehe prob not :P |
| 18:38.31 | Narog | i have a full log here http://pastebin.com/sKjfq4aB |
| 18:40.51 | mnemoc | Narog: what exactly did you build? |
| 18:40.52 | hno | mnemoc, a "coverter chip"? For example http://www.ite.com.tw/en/products_more.aspx?CategoryID=1&ID=1,142 |
| 18:41.22 | mnemoc | hno: good. i like that name :) |
| 18:42.20 | mnemoc | hno: i didn't know DAC as digital to analog converter had a narrower scope |
| 18:42.49 | Narog | mnemoc: i cloned linux-sunxi/u-boot-sunxi and build using: make hackberry CROSS_COMPILER=arm-linux-gnueabihf- |
| 18:43.47 | mnemoc | Narog: it should build find. we already fix the problem in zfs that caused hf-related troubles |
| 18:44.06 | mnemoc | hno: ideas? |
| 18:44.20 | hno | mnemoc, those patches is not in the sunxi branch. |
| 18:44.33 | mnemoc | reverted it? |
| 18:45.15 | Narog | ya it build fine, but it gets stuck at boot, like it doesnt start U-boot. Pls correct me if im wrong. |
| 18:45.28 | hno | mnemoc, Never applied there. Only -current. |
| 18:45.39 | mnemoc | hno: I did. when you told me |
| 18:45.55 | mnemoc | hno: anyhow, look at Narog's error http://pastebin.com/sKjfq4aB |
| 18:46.16 | hno | Right you did. Forgot. |
| 18:47.03 | hno | Hmm.. that's built with debug enabled. |
| 18:47.25 | Narog | yes i just turn it on to see what was going on |
| 18:48.15 | hno | Looks like MMC communications error. |
| 18:49.11 | Narog | ya i also think so, but i have tried with 2 sd cards |
| 18:49.17 | mnemoc | dust? |
| 18:49.25 | hno | Have you tried cleaning the socket? |
| 18:50.09 | Narog | hum, how can i do that, is so small gap :P |
| 18:50.24 | hno | blowing some air. |
| 18:50.32 | debianin | Narog, i get error with uSD 512M , got success with 2G uSD. |
| 18:50.43 | debianin | what size are you using? |
| 18:50.55 | mnemoc | 16GB |
| 18:51.09 | mnemoc | meh, no. Narog |
| 18:51.27 | mnemoc | shuts up and return to his CC processing junk |
| 18:51.32 | Narog | i have a 32MB card, 2GB, 8GB and 16GB |
| 18:52.19 | debianin | and what are you using when get errror? |
| 18:54.00 | Narog | oh.... its the card.... man |
| 18:54.14 | hno | ? |
| 18:54.16 | Narog | i just dd my compile of spl and uboot to my 2GB and it works fine |
| 18:54.25 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:54.35 | Narog | its the 2 card i buy..... grreeeee |
| 18:54.35 | debianin | good 4 u |
| 18:54.44 | hno | What card is it? |
| 18:55.03 | Narog | its a sandisk class4 8GB |
| 18:55.10 | hno | need to find some of those cards that SPL dislikes. |
| 18:55.20 | Narog | SDSDB-008G-B35 |
| 18:55.57 | Narog | that one doesnt work |
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| 18:56.21 | Narog | but now it booted with a Laxor 2GB Pro |
| 18:56.55 | hno | Do the card work fine in other uses? |
| 18:57.21 | Narog | yes it works fine on my ubuntu box |
| 18:59.56 | Narog | well now i know, thats alot guys for the help. |
| 19:00.06 | Narog | thanks* |
| 19:03.24 | hno | Narog, are you sure on the card model? That model number is a full size SD card, not uSD. |
| 19:04.09 | mnemoc | i.e. it's counterfeit sandisk |
| 19:05.02 | Narog | yes it a full size SD |
| 19:05.33 | debianin | so, how can fit in uSD connector? |
| 19:05.47 | mnemoc | not a cubieboard |
| 19:05.50 | mnemoc | mele maybe? |
| 19:05.50 | Narog | magic :P lol |
| 19:05.53 | Narog | its a hackberry |
| 19:05.54 | debianin | ahh |
| 19:05.58 | Narog | hehe |
| 19:06.24 | hno | Ok. Kind of assumed you are using a cubieboard when asking in #cubieboard. |
| 19:06.32 | mnemoc | +1 |
| 19:06.53 | Narog | yes sry about that, but i didnt manage to buy one :S |
| 19:06.54 | mnemoc | #arm-netbook is more generic |
| 19:07.09 | Narog | so needed to go with the hackberry :( |
| 19:31.07 | debianin | trying to compile a sofrware on cubieboard but "fatal error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory" |
| 19:31.37 | mnemoc | debianin: insteall build-essential |
| 19:31.54 | debianin | ahhh alway i forgot! |
| 19:32.00 | mnemoc | debianin: btw, there is nothing cubieboard specific on that |
| 19:32.30 | debianin | ? i dont inderstand the meaning of you last sentece, mnemoc |
| 19:32.53 | mnemoc | it's a generic linux error, not cubieboard specific |
| 19:33.27 | debianin | yes, i was not guiltying CB :) |
| 19:33.32 | mnemoc | :) |
| 19:34.14 | debianin | im installing aircark to test use it as test for cb |
| 19:40.39 | mnemoc | debianin: you might want http://linux-sunxi.org/Cpufreq#Tweaks |
| 19:41.34 | debianin | it it to maximize the clock? |
| 19:42.42 | mnemoc | no |
| 19:43.00 | debianin | i can open web page, my browser leak, wauit, |
| 19:43.04 | debianin | wait |
| 19:43.22 | mnemoc | by default the cpu frequence "controller" tends to keep the devices at mere 60MHz |
| 19:43.35 | debianin | ah to module the frequncy. |
| 19:43.39 | mnemoc | and that makes them take too long to notice they are under stress |
| 19:43.50 | debianin | i am interested to do 2 test: one at 1Ghz and one at 1.2Ghz, |
| 19:44.25 | debianin | yes, to scale up make llower performance, i will set it fixed speed for test, thanks. |
| 19:44.28 | mnemoc | if you don't tweak ondemand configs, half of that test will happen at 60MHz ;-) |
| 19:45.15 | debianin | ehehe u r rignt |
| 19:46.02 | debianin | btw, i dont wonat ti set "ondemand" but "fixed at 1Ghz". what word i have to type instead "ondemand"? |
| 19:47.14 | mnemoc | performance will run at max |
| 19:48.24 | debianin | ok i will type "performance" than |
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| 19:54.48 | user_ | mnemoc, if i set "performance" tha i have also to set the clock or the system does it autmatically at 1Ghz? |
| 19:56.08 | mnemoc | look inside /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ |
| 19:57.17 | user_ | ok |
| 19:57.30 | debianin | ok |
| 19:58.10 | debianin | i touch the A10 SoC, it stat to warm up during compilation :) |
| 19:58.40 | debianin | difficult to rexist to hot SoC |
| 20:01.05 | mnemoc | try to touch an x86 processor :) |
| 20:08.16 | debianin | mnemoc, CB kick the ass of my laptop |
| 20:08.52 | mnemoc | debianin: doing what? |
| 20:08.54 | debianin | CB with aircrk is faster than the same on my laptop, and laptop it 700Mhz faster |
| 20:09.06 | debianin | doing number cunchin using aircrac |
| 20:10.25 | debianin | 180 (cb) 160 (laptop). ok laptop run GUI, cb run CLI, i have to to test in sale CLI evironment. but good dign for CB power ehehe |
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| 20:20.12 | debianin | apparently frequecy cant exeed 1008Mhz |
| 20:20.37 | mnemoc | nope |
| 20:20.44 | debianin | if i tray to do echo 1200000 > cpu_max_freq i get permission denied |
| 20:21.07 | mnemoc | first check the table of valid freq values |
| 20:21.12 | mnemoc | it's a file there |
| 20:21.25 | mnemoc | then, use root for that |
| 20:21.51 | rm | cpu_max_freq can be any value, not tied to valid freqs |
| 20:22.07 | rm | it will just use the next lower valid that still fits |
| 20:22.16 | mnemoc | how friendly :) |
| 20:22.24 | debianin | no my error, now it scale to 1200Mhz, eheh |
| 20:22.43 | hno | Not sure it's stable at 1200MHz. |
| 20:22.53 | debianin | now pass/sec is 215 wow! |
| 20:23.11 | debianin | so hot, i decrease now |
| 20:23.32 | mnemoc | you can go higher, but it will become unstable |
| 20:23.52 | pidpawel | even with some cooling system? |
| 20:24.04 | hno | You can also overclock the DRAM if you want. |
| 20:24.11 | debianin | with a passive dissipato should be stabel. |
| 20:25.00 | debianin | but still impressibe that at 1Ghz it win on a pentium-M at 1.7Ghz. |
| 20:26.11 | debianin | btw, rpi at 700Mhz do 72 p/s, CB at 1000Nhz does 180 pass/s. |
| 20:26.30 | debianin | ARMv7 rules on armv6 :) |
| 20:26.42 | hno | debianin, maybe the program running on your pentium-M is built for 8086 and not pentium-M? |
| 20:27.18 | RaYmAn | Pentium M is absolutely horrific at anything floating point :P |
| 20:27.25 | debianin | no no, recompiled from source |
| 20:27.32 | mnemoc | debianin: compare them at the same clock |
| 20:27.53 | RaYmAn | (I didn't really read the conversation, but if it involves FP, P-M is utter crap) |
| 20:27.54 | debianin | mnemoc, good poiny |
| 20:28.25 | debianin | arcrack doen not involve floating calculation, as far as i know. only integer at 32bit. |
| 20:29.19 | debianin | it is sha1 algortm, no float only integer (add, rotate, shift, etc) |
| 20:30.16 | debianin | and tache cate that pentium-M use sse2... if not, the performance should be cutted at least of 30% |
| 20:33.31 | debianin | so, all in all good performance from CB :) |
| 20:35.31 | Turl | mnemoc: on my experience stability tops up at around 1.2Ghz |
| 20:36.02 | Turl | anything higher is likely to cause issues on heavy loads |
| 20:37.36 | rm | Pentium III 933Mhz is about 25% faster than the A10 1GHz at "openssl speed sha1" |
| 20:38.49 | debianin | so in means that mentium-m is a shit :) |
| 20:39.41 | debianin | on a 4 core phenom2 at 2.8Ghz, a single core can run 650 p/s. |
| 20:40.34 | debianin | so it is 650/2800 pass/Mhz. CB does 182/1008 pass/Mhz. |
| 20:41.46 | debianin | phenom2= 0.23 , CB = 0,18. but phenom2 is 140Watt, A10 on CB is 5W. |
| 20:42.18 | debianin | arm demostrate to winn a lot on performance |
| 20:43.48 | debianin | PS: x86 get power from SSE2, but airmcrack is not optimizer to user SIMD of A10, as far as i know. |
| 20:54.42 | Turl | rm http://paste.debian.net/205665/ |
| 21:10.46 | debianin | about scaling frequecy: there is a parameter called "fantasy" :) what does it do? random frequency? |
| 21:11.21 | mnemoc | it's a variant of google's interactive made by allwinner |
| 21:13.42 | rm | Loongson @ 800 MHz is about 30% slower than the A10 |
| 21:14.33 | mnemoc | what I hated most of the loongson is that it's not a SoC |
| 21:14.39 | mnemoc | just a fat cpu |
| 21:15.07 | debianin | i want cubieboard2 with 16 A10 on board :) |
| 21:15.09 | mnemoc | so devices end up been fat and power hungry :< |
| 21:16.01 | debianin | ok, so 4 A15 quad core :) |
| 21:17.43 | pidpawel | imx6. |
| 21:18.33 | mnemoc | pidpawel: that's the wandboard |
| 21:19.59 | pidpawel | but it has sata connector not populated :) |
| 21:20.39 | mnemoc | i'm sure they'll fix that mistake |
| 21:25.06 | debianin | try to install vlc but process stop cos unmet dependencies |
| 21:26.50 | mnemoc | debianin: it won't work as you would expect without proper bindings to the cedarx libs |
| 21:27.13 | debianin | mmm... in other words, mnemoc ? |
| 21:28.21 | debianin | do ypu mean no gpu accelleation for video reproduction? |
| 21:30.49 | debianin | the hell! aptitude report ONLY 9500 package avaiable. |
| 21:30.51 | mnemoc | debianin: to clear the terms. the GPU only does 3D |
| 21:31.17 | debianin | ok, gpu=3d. so cedarx stand for? |
| 21:36.33 | debianin | ah the ficeo decoding unit. |
| 21:36.34 | debianin | video |
| 21:37.34 | mnemoc | VPU = video processing unit, in our case cedarx |
| 21:37.44 | mnemoc | the GPU is mali400 |
| 21:37.59 | mnemoc | both use closed source libraries |
| 21:38.13 | mnemoc | which you have installed already |
| 21:38.37 | mnemoc | but to be used by apps, bindings need to be written |
| 21:39.29 | debianin | ah now is clear, thanks. |
| 21:40.11 | debianin | mnemoc, btw, do you know how to create a rootfs? ubuntu from linara is usable but i will prefere to move to pure debian. |
| 21:40.35 | hno | debianin, see debootstrap |
| 21:40.37 | mnemoc | debianin: search for debian armhf rootfs :) |
| 21:40.43 | mnemoc | yes, that too |
| 21:41.07 | hno | it's very easy if you have a running arm device already. |
| 21:41.23 | debianin | thanks guys. i will do AFTER i have my bastard monitor alive on CB or at least to move to anoter usable monitor. |
| 21:42.11 | mnemoc | debianin: https://github.com/linux-sunxi/cedarx-libs has the stuff you need to write your own cedarx-based apps, or bindings to your favourite framework |
| 21:42.41 | debianin | mmm i take the link, but it seems to be more than my capablities. |
| 21:53.33 | debianin | cubieboad run A10 SoC. |
| 21:55.25 | mnemoc | an A10 SoC runs the cubieboard |
| 21:56.20 | mnemoc | and the SoC has many controllers are processing units inside |
| 21:56.48 | mnemoc | s/are/and/ |
| 21:57.08 | mnemoc | but they are all winners ;-) |
| 21:57.29 | debianin | mnemoc, sorry i typed here last sentence but it was for another channel :) |
| 21:58.04 | mnemoc | debianin: uff.... i was starting to get worried |
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| 21:59.00 | debianin | sorry, after many hours and 6 irc channe, i start to be.... empty. |
| 21:59.42 | debianin | today i "won" so better to close the game now that i am over the zero. :) |
| 22:00.37 | mnemoc | does a /win list and sees 25 lines |
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| 22:33.34 | uNMd | yo |
| 22:33.43 | uNMd | can anyone help me with my uart terminal |
| 22:34.00 | uNMd | all is set up it works fine |
| 22:34.14 | uNMd | but lines disappear and overwrite others |
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| 22:56.49 | qermit | uNMd: download BrayTerminal or Cutecom and analyze data |
| 22:57.30 | uNMd | tried an windows alternative and it works fine |
| 22:57.40 | uNMd | maybe its something with the vmware emulation |
| 22:59.30 | uNMd | sometimes it works fine sometimes not |
| 23:00.04 | qermit | uNMd: why do you use vmware to transmit data with uart? |
| 23:00.16 | uNMd | why not |
| 23:00.52 | uNMd | im needing linux all time playing with the cubie |
| 23:01.07 | uNMd | it sucks to switch arround |
| 23:01.10 | qermit | anyway, why do you use VMware? |
| 23:01.14 | uNMd | :] |
| 23:01.24 | uNMd | have an uefi mainboard |
| 23:01.32 | uNMd | performance sucks on ubuntu |
| 23:01.45 | mnemoc | people uses putty to access the serial console of the cubie and other a10 devices from windows |
| 23:02.12 | mnemoc | my laptop is pure uefi, and runs ubuntu just find |
| 23:02.16 | mnemoc | fine |
| 23:02.29 | uNMd | my mainboard sometimes fails to boot |
| 23:02.37 | uNMd | :} |
| 23:03.15 | uNMd | sth wrong with my uefi bios |
| 23:03.18 | uNMd | damn asus |
| 23:03.29 | qermit | has asus with uefi and it works ok |
| 23:03.50 | uNMd | maybe its my cpu |
| 23:04.01 | uNMd | a8-3870k |
| 23:06.36 | qermit | has a8-3850 |
| 23:07.09 | qermit | uNMd: as far i i know asus has Bios Legacy Mode |