| 00:00.04 | Juesto | lol meh |
| 00:05.54 | blast007 | Juesto: Rats Nest is just an example of a map with a completely different look from "old skool" BZFlag |
| 00:06.19 | Juesto | ah |
| 00:06.35 | blast007 | still using 1998/2001-ish tech |
| 00:06.36 | Juesto | while still old-skool-ish ;) |
| 00:06.58 | Juesto | matching Half-Life :P |
| 00:07.02 | blast007 | and now we're talking about moving to 2006/2009 era tech |
| 00:07.15 | Foo_man_choo | Why do I feel like bzflag project my be about to deprecate my video card....??? |
| 00:07.21 | JeffM | what do you have? |
| 00:07.31 | blast007 | Foo_man_choo: Geforce 8 supports GL 3.2 |
| 00:07.54 | Foo_man_choo | 9800 gt on a pcie 16 socket |
| 00:08.05 | JeffM | you'll be fine |
| 00:08.09 | Foo_man_choo | whew |
| 00:09.30 | blast007 | 8/9 support GL 3.3 |
| 00:09.31 | JeffM | if you have a real video card you should be fine |
| 00:10.00 | blast007 | except for some of the weird low end 9's, according to wikipedia |
| 00:10.03 | JeffM | you still pondering 3.2 over 2.1? |
| 00:10.04 | Foo_man_choo | Soon to build all new pc all new hardware but lots is goin on in the meantime |
| 00:10.54 | blast007 | JeffM: mostly only if we care about first and second gen Intel Core iGPU and Raspberry Pi |
| 00:11.10 | JeffM | if it was me I'd say drop em |
| 00:11.16 | blast007 | https://gist.github.com/blast007/917f72b59fac372fb2f09cd2f555b94f |
| 00:11.17 | JeffM | they are such a small part |
| 00:11.17 | Juesto | why |
| 00:11.21 | Juesto | oh |
| 00:11.33 | FusionDude | we support Pi? |
| 00:11.45 | Foo_man_choo | agreed. drop them. |
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| 00:12.01 | JeffM | I would not support pi at the detrement to other platforms. |
| 00:12.04 | blast007 | Raspberry Pi has an OpenGL driver, and I've run the game on there |
| 00:12.26 | blast007 | it also supports OpenGL ES 2.0 |
| 00:13.00 | JeffM | you really think a mobile version will ever be competitive using the same codebase? |
| 00:13.11 | JeffM | when the render code is redone, put it into it's own lib |
| 00:13.22 | JeffM | let someone make a ES version of the renderer if they want to |
| 00:13.39 | JeffM | but make the project maintaned one be 3.2 |
| 00:13.53 | Juesto | sometimes i wish i could drive a ghost tank as observer |
| 00:14.07 | blast007 | Juesto: why? |
| 00:14.21 | Juesto | practice or a interesting POV |
| 00:14.34 | JeffM | then write an observer only client for mobile |
| 00:14.40 | JeffM | then it can be optimized for that |
| 00:14.46 | Juesto | why mobile exactly |
| 00:14.54 | JeffM | a PC player is going to MURDER a mobile player if they are ever together. |
| 00:15.01 | Juesto | lol |
| 00:15.22 | Juesto | but why in mobile |
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| 00:19.53 | Zehra | There was a plug-in which somewhat worked for testing world weapons and fighting bots, sadly no license for it though. |
| 00:20.59 | JeffM | make your own |
| 00:22.38 | Zehra | https://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=15141 |
| 00:23.11 | Zehra | Pretty simple and basically very simple, almost anything related to it would at least contain some of that code. :/ |
| 00:23.29 | Zehra | oops, that sounded really redundant. :p |
| 00:23.34 | JeffM | not if you do all the work yourself |
| 00:23.55 | JeffM | the original wall texture. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Kb1cUxS7/boxwall%20(1).png |
| 00:24.28 | Juesto | hn |
| 00:24.35 | Juesto | eh i prefer the old wall |
| 00:24.42 | Zehra | Time flies. :p |
| 00:24.52 | JeffM | current box wall has less definition |
| 00:24.54 | Juesto | it's pink as opposed to red |
| 00:24.57 | JeffM | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qoV7iB4G/boxwall.png |
| 00:24.59 | Juesto | not just that |
| 00:25.01 | Juesto | tone |
| 00:25.09 | JeffM | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7xT5Ol3E/boxwall.png |
| 00:25.37 | JeffM | newest boxwall brings back the definition, but still stays away from the brown |
| 00:25.38 | Juesto | too large and again red |
| 00:25.53 | JeffM | that's what color bricks are.... |
| 00:26.01 | Juesto | realistically yes |
| 00:26.05 | Juesto | we're talking bzf |
| 00:26.06 | blast007 | as for "mobile", Apple TV and Android set top boxes and built-in AndroidTV are a thing as well |
| 00:26.27 | JeffM | meh |
| 00:26.31 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:26.42 | JeffM | they'll have the same competive problem |
| 00:26.44 | Juesto | sigh |
| 00:26.57 | JeffM | do your GL refactor right, and leave it open for someone else to downport |
| 00:27.04 | blast007 | "meh" is my general feeling about my Oyua |
| 00:27.09 | JeffM | but for the main game, do what works best for the majority of your playerbase. |
| 00:27.28 | Juesto | JeffM: you can have a keyboard and mouse on Android and it's just like pc |
| 00:27.50 | JeffM | the vast majority of players will not have that, so you can't count on that |
| 00:27.55 | Juesto | a controller would be okay too vs pc |
| 00:28.04 | JeffM | not in all cases |
| 00:28.10 | JeffM | but again, you can't count on that |
| 00:28.19 | Juesto | for bzf it will do better than mouse |
| 00:28.22 | Juesto | generally |
| 00:28.37 | Juesto | except for the ton of binds |
| 00:28.38 | JeffM | untill you start rotating the turret ;) |
| 00:29.11 | blast007 | hmm, my phone might support Vulkan |
| 00:29.34 | Juesto | yeah... but bzf isn't having turret separate from movement YET |
| 00:29.37 | JeffM | juesto: this is probably more to your liking https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ASOTYY7A/boxwall_browner.png |
| 00:29.55 | Juesto | yes, perfect |
| 00:30.01 | Juesto | more pinkish over red |
| 00:30.12 | JeffM | so dark.. you sure you aren't part of the DC universe? |
| 00:30.18 | Juesto | wat |
| 00:30.31 | JeffM | you like batman v superman didn't you? |
| 00:31.26 | Juesto | also btw, that's as most realistic it gets without killing it |
| 00:31.44 | Juesto | uhh idk I don't read/watch marvel/dc etc |
| 00:32.03 | Juesto | JeffM: c.c |
| 00:32.07 | JeffM | hates the mountains too |
| 00:32.18 | JeffM | wish I still had a copy of bryce |
| 00:32.41 | Juesto | i prefer to have those mountains off without lowering the quality |
| 00:33.11 | Juesto | maybe in git history, JeffM ? |
| 00:33.12 | JeffM | could probalby redo some in unity |
| 00:33.18 | JeffM | bryce is software |
| 00:33.41 | Juesto | oh oops |
| 00:33.55 | JeffM | it does terrain rendering |
| 00:34.02 | JeffM | I used it to make the mountain images |
| 00:38.04 | Juesto | oh nice |
| 00:38.14 | Juesto | could use some variation tbh |
| 00:45.03 | JeffM | I could draw them as a mesh |
| 00:48.31 | JeffM | could always go back to the origonals https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iMwveYUU/mountain.png |
| 00:54.58 | Juesto | hm |
| 00:55.17 | Juesto | yeah like use them as alternatives would work |
| 00:55.30 | JeffM | whut? |
| 01:03.05 | JeffM | I think that's a decent outer wall https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ffqnxpwx/image.png |
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| 01:06.11 | blast007 | we should make the wall see-through so we can see who is on the other side |
| 01:06.29 | JeffM | wouldn't that be a fence? |
| 01:06.47 | JeffM | we were promised a wall, not a fence. |
| 01:07.19 | Juesto | see through walls are a thing if you mean from the insides |
| 01:07.41 | Juesto | Isn't see through already a thing via texture transparency anyway? |
| 01:07.45 | JeffM | no |
| 01:07.45 | blast007 | Juesto: it's a political reference/joke |
| 01:07.50 | Juesto | :/ |
| 01:07.56 | JeffM | stupid border wall idea |
| 01:07.59 | Juesto | ugh |
| 01:08.12 | JeffM | exactly |
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| 01:32.07 | Zehra | allejo: you might want to add airspawn or something to Jumping Skills. |
| 01:32.12 | Zehra | spawned inside a block |
| 01:33.07 | blast007 | or just fix the map |
| 01:33.48 | Zehra | I kind of can't fix it, since it isn't my map. :p |
| 01:34.09 | blast007 | wasn't specifically meaning you |
| 01:34.24 | Zehra | mb |
| 01:34.46 | blast007 | using the airspawn plugin isn't magically going to fix that, and in fact, could make it worse if there are obstacles above spawnable areas :) |
| 01:34.54 | blast007 | airspawn doesn't check for obstacles |
| 01:36.25 | Zehra | Is there a way to make it check for obstacles? |
| 01:45.40 | blast007 | it's one of those plugins that's just a silly minimal demo of what you can do |
| 01:46.26 | Zehra | oh, okay. |
| 02:25.40 | JeffM | Heh,airspawn was simply the first demo plugin to show what the api could do |
| 02:26.13 | JeffM | I could fix it to do collision checking |
| 02:26.52 | JeffM | Api need a ray check anyway |
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| 04:42.28 | spldart | Oh wow! goin through some old files and I found some from 8 years ago that I assume were bzflag tank colors. co-ink-ee-dink? |
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| 06:26.20 | spldart | Heh. playing around with my overclock |
| 12:42.41 | spldart | Never noticed this before. When a motherboard auto underclocks to save energy it always goes to half of what the cpu reports itself as. Even if it's unlocked by the factory and you have overclocked by multiplier. Interesting. |
| 12:48.42 | blast007 | that behavior is going to vary |
| 12:49.45 | blast007 | AMD's earlier chips seemed to have more limited frequency steps. My AMD Turion X2 only had half and full, whereas my Intel Pentium M had 100 or 200MHz increments from 600MHz to 1.6GHz. |
| 12:52.24 | spldart | Interesting. Ive been fiddling with my old black edition phenome on this much newer mobo. Old mobo wouldn't throttle at all. Which is interesting in and of itself. At full speed there is still a substantial difference in power consumption by the micom from idle to balls to the wall. |
| 12:53.01 | spldart | on the old mobo that wouldn't throttle cpu frequency |
| 13:45.49 | spldart | Now that I'm back on a decent inet connection I hope I can find my wartowers map. I'd like to gameserve a little again :) |
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| 14:43.48 | JeffM | I wonder if I'm using an older version of astyle or something |
| 14:43.58 | JeffM | I can't get it to screw up base64.cxx |
| 14:44.14 | JeffM | but I also can't get it to run multiple file types |
| 14:44.32 | JeffM | I have to run it 3 times, each with the full path and a single file extension |
| 14:49.06 | blast007 | I was using their windows binaries |
| 14:49.12 | JeffM | ahh |
| 14:49.26 | JeffM | I'm using the version in my ubuntu wsl install |
| 14:49.28 | blast007 | I'm running another pass on 2.4 and merging that into master |
| 14:50.48 | JeffM | if you do need to turn off formatting for a section of code it's // *INDENT-OFF* // *INDENT-ON* |
| 14:52.36 | blast007 | yeah, I added that here |
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| 15:11.16 | BZnotify | 13bzflag/062.4 1430ccc4a 15Scott Wichser: Run another pass of astyle over the code to fix up some remaining issues. Removed some unprintable unicode characters from Bundle that have been commented out for years. |
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| 15:18.29 | Juesto | huh |
| 15:18.36 | Juesto | what's happening |
| 15:18.56 | blast007 | referring to what? |
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| 15:22.25 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15blast007 closed pull request #130: Format code to allman sytle (06master...06allman) 02https://git.io/vhTs2 |
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| 15:23.57 | Juesto | blast007: what are you pushing and why |
| 15:25.21 | JeffM | Heâs doing some tweaks to the style that I started |
| 15:25.47 | Juesto | which exactly? |
| 15:26.17 | JeffM | Change to allman style and forcing tabs and stuff to be consistent |
| 15:26.31 | Juesto | allman style? |
| 15:26.35 | JeffM | Yes |
| 15:26.46 | Juesto | is confused |
| 15:26.53 | JeffM | Ok |
| 15:27.10 | JeffM | Itâs a thing |
| 15:27.19 | the-map | Juesto: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=allman+style |
| 15:27.24 | Juesto | :/ |
| 15:27.44 | Juesto | oh huh |
| 15:27.47 | Juesto | indents |
| 15:27.56 | JeffM | Yeah code styling |
| 15:28.14 | Juesto | or bsd, some attribute it so apparently |
| 15:28.28 | JeffM | Astyle is a tool that can automatically apply styling |
| 15:28.36 | JeffM | Yeah they are similar |
| 15:29.00 | JeffM | We are using the allman preset it astyle |
| 15:29.47 | Juesto | so just code organizations? |
| 15:31.28 | JeffM | Yes |
| 15:47.13 | JeffM | When we last talked about code styling, an automated tool was discussed and the artistic styler seems to fit that need |
| 16:03.40 | macsforme | did that change our tabs versus spaces formatting? |
| 16:04.45 | blast007 | yeah, no more tabs |
| 16:05.31 | macsforme | cool |
| 16:07.07 | blast007 | indents are 4 spaces too |
| 16:59.25 | JeffM | Yeah everyone liked spaces except for me, so I forced it spaces |
| 16:59.53 | JeffM | Astyle can enforce that too |
| 17:05.32 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
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