| 00:03.18 | JeffM | I've got a new cammo texture to play with too, each part is on a seperate layer in photoshop so it can be colorized better |
| 00:03.21 | JeffM | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CAkP2YFZ/image.png |
| 00:03.53 | JeffM | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/GFf91vrN/image.png |
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| 00:15.23 | JeffM | I checked in colored versions of the new camouflage and made green brighter I know there are issues with green blending into the ground texture |
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| 00:19.24 | JeffM | BzFlag. How do you roll? |
| 00:19.54 | JeffM | I do think players would appreciate some way to individualize themselves |
| 00:20.16 | JeffM | But there is still a need to keep the colors team centric |
| 00:21.30 | Juesto | hmm |
| 00:21.38 | JeffM | You say that a |
| 00:21.40 | JeffM | Lot |
| 00:21.43 | Juesto | next release phase! |
| 00:21.55 | JeffM | This is all in master |
| 00:21.57 | Juesto | if it wasn't used before that is |
| 00:22.05 | Juesto | so it's in? |
| 00:22.07 | JeffM | It requires client changes |
| 00:22.13 | JeffM | Itâs in my repo |
| 00:22.16 | Juesto | i mean that naming |
| 00:22.18 | Juesto | oh ok |
| 00:22.23 | blast007 | what naming? |
| 00:22.32 | JeffM | Iâll submit it when allman is in master |
| 00:22.37 | Juesto | eh |
| 00:22.52 | Juesto | that catchy phase above |
| 00:23.01 | JeffM | Whut?ð³ |
| 00:23.11 | JeffM | Oh, we were joking |
| 00:23.15 | Juesto | XD |
| 00:23.24 | JeffM | Valve hats ð¤ |
| 00:23.27 | Juesto | nice inspiration tho |
| 00:23.30 | Juesto | yeah hats |
| 00:23.55 | Juesto | and most importantly why not drawing the player names in field while playing? |
| 00:24.02 | Juesto | especially teammates |
| 00:24.12 | Juesto | only exception would be when you're rouge |
| 00:24.27 | Juesto | or a way to see tank names on demand |
| 00:24.35 | Juesto | while in game not obs |
| 00:25.06 | blast007 | you can see tank names on demand already |
| 00:25.10 | JeffM | Had that once, it was determined that it reduced the value of seer |
| 00:25.14 | JeffM | And that |
| 00:25.16 | blast007 | right click with someone in your view |
| 00:25.36 | JeffM | It was a big deal so I pulled it |
| 00:25.50 | JeffM | Went with the hud markers |
| 00:26.14 | Juesto | not that, something more active than console spam |
| 00:26.15 | JeffM | Yeah not seer right clicking for id |
| 00:26.35 | JeffM | Nobody liked it |
| 00:26.42 | Juesto | in hud not in console, not the identify feature |
| 00:26.45 | Juesto | oh |
| 00:26.47 | JeffM | I thought it was awesome |
| 00:26.50 | blast007 | Juesto: it shows in HUD too, no? |
| 00:27.22 | Juesto | only if you're using experimental quality and have lock for gm |
| 00:27.32 | blast007 | wut |
| 00:28.00 | Juesto | to not reduce the usefulness of seer i suggest hiding it when the player is using cloak |
| 00:28.30 | Juesto | you can't unless I'm not aware the names bind works outside obs |
| 00:28.56 | blast007 | I'm very confused |
| 00:29.36 | Juesto | now I'm confused tbh |
| 00:29.40 | Juesto | too* |
| 00:30.49 | blast007 | if you right click at a person, without GM, it shows "Looking at Soandso (Red) with Thief" at the top of the screen |
| 00:31.56 | Juesto | yes but it also spams console |
| 00:33.16 | Zehra | Probably a client mod could be made... |
| 00:33.49 | Zehra | Like change it so it treats it the same way the "autopilot" message is done. |
| 00:34.24 | blast007 | Juesto: do you use the tabs on the console? |
| 00:35.50 | Juesto | no, i just have it turned off because they clutter ui |
| 00:37.07 | Juesto | yeah i agree with zehra |
| 00:39.03 | Zehra | I did a few client modifications, maybe this one will be my next one. |
| 00:39.28 | Zehra | isn't sure if it will work though |
| 00:39.42 | Juesto | Zehra: which client mods did you do |
| 00:41.14 | Zehra | Juesto: Going from memory, I got rid of darkness in buildings, removed "start server" menu, made it so I could see ST and IB while observer and disabled toggle console, toggle radar for a few other modifications. |
| 00:41.45 | Juesto | ok, all those could go in if not already |
| 00:41.54 | Zehra | Some of them were patches from SourceForge though. :p |
| 00:42.02 | Juesto | oh |
| 00:42.39 | Zehra | Others were ones I came up with or got an idea from the forums and implemented myself. |
| 00:43.38 | Zehra | (My programming is a joke too, so it would be very unlikely anything could go in as a submission without major modifications.) =p |
| 00:47.05 | Juesto | lul |
| 01:57.10 | allejo | JeffM, I just thought SuperTestMachine was some random noob |
| 02:05.52 | Juesto | :o |
| 02:32.55 | JeffM | Heh |
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| 07:34.42 | spldart | Poop. Another computer peripheral consumed by entropy :( |
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| 09:01.01 | crimson_king965 | Juesto spldart JeffM DTRemenak infobot bertman Notify kierra allejo sam I_Died_Once Swant Cobra_Fast Flash nitroxis tw1sted bier brlcad catay TD-Linux cods Guest75409 Void7 macsforme bboles Chestal dngor Guest41100 alezakos ukiki Delusional L4m3r McSpider tupone FastLizard4 BulletCatcher dcat disco- AAA_awright rodgort joevano the-map blast007 |
| 10:20.49 | blast007 | the freenode emergency notification system, eh? is that some random name shouting in a channel? :P |
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| 12:20.55 | the-map | lol spldart |
| 12:47.10 | spldart | I guess I'm doomed |
| 12:52.33 | spldart | Oh! I'm slow. Nice blast007. The name is different in each channel I got this stupid message in. Hardly a system notification. |
| 12:53.01 | blast007 | yeah, some silly troll bot |
| 12:54.06 | spldart | *wipes sleep from eyes* |
| 15:02.12 | Juesto | it's just plain trolling |
| 15:02.15 | Juesto | :p |
| 15:12.39 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.46 | blast007 | oops :) |
| 15:29.41 | Juesto | hi |
| 15:29.45 | Juesto | how it's going |
| 15:31.38 | blast007 | uÊop Çpısdn pÇuɹnÊ-pÇddı×É Êob ÇÉÄ±× Êɯ ÊoÉ¥ ÊnoqÉ ××É ÊɹoÊs ÇÉ¥Ê sı sÄ±É¥Ê Êou |
| 15:32.18 | JeffM | how do you get rid of chat and radar? |
| 15:32.26 | blast007 | q and w by default |
| 15:32.50 | JeffM | thanks |
| 15:33.04 | JeffM | trying to setup a screenshot of each skin type |
| 15:36.52 | spldart | ÇÉá´N |
| 15:37.50 | JeffM | still needs some tone tweaking I think https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/F73NyHLe/image.png |
| 15:42.49 | JeffM | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/msmcSBGC/image.png |
| 15:43.45 | spldart | Middle ones are awesomesauce |
| 15:44.18 | spldart | Well.. possibly left for red :) |
| 15:46.59 | blast007 | I ran "astyle --style=allman -nxjz1 --convert-tabs --max-code-length=120 --recursive *.cxx,*.h,*.c" on the 2.4 branch and it looks okay, except for src\bzfs\base64.cxx, where it's trying to indent part of the definition of _from_table an extra indent level |
| 15:47.40 | blast007 | specifically, the first line of numbers are right, but the ones after that are indented an extra level, as well as the closing bracket |
| 15:58.35 | JeffM | There are #defs you can put In he code to make it ignore sections |
| 16:00.32 | JeffM | spldart: you pick what one your tank shows up as when you join, each player can have there own skin choice |
| 16:05.45 | spldart | shuweeet |
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| 16:32.52 | spldart | Since I still have the random bzflag spanning monitors problem how do I start window'd then fullscreen? |
| 16:33.02 | spldart | I seem to have forgotten |
| 16:33.45 | blast007 | bzflag -window 800x600 |
| 16:34.12 | spldart | ooOOoo... so -window 1920x1080 might be my solution? |
| 16:34.17 | blast007 | no |
| 16:34.24 | spldart | fudge |
| 16:34.49 | blast007 | I think it sizes the OpenGL framebuffer to that size, not the window itself |
| 16:35.07 | spldart | crap |
| 16:36.07 | spldart | ooOOoo but 1024x768 was bigger than 800x600 |
| 16:36.55 | spldart | yes!!!!! I have a border at the top of screen but that gave me full screen on jujst the one monitor. No spanning |
| 16:37.12 | blast007 | do you have normal single-monitor sized resolutions in the display settings for the game? |
| 16:38.55 | spldart | I'll look. I was just happy to see single monitor and refresh rates in the 600's for a bit there 8D |
| 16:41.06 | spldart | I have 640x480 up to 3200x1080 in like 8 options. |
| 16:41.28 | spldart | 1920x1080 wasn't listed but I used it with the -window switch and it worked |
| 16:42.23 | spldart | to bad there was noone in the rabbit map otherwise I'd be out of your hair for a bit ;) |
| 17:00.43 | spldart | if I 'test' any of the 8 resolutions in the menu's in the client i'm suddently back to spanning again. And the top resolution doesn't eve work. |
| 17:00.50 | spldart | s/eve/even |
| 17:08.37 | JeffM | blue looks pretty good. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NimXBTlg/image.png |
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| 17:57.02 | JeffM | blast007: are you open to new textures that have normal and specular maps, so that when shaders are added they will have something to shade? |
| 18:01.16 | JeffM | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2aPtoJZr/image.png |
| 18:01.53 | blast007 | is there a reason we wouldn't want to do that? I know know what any of that means |
| 18:20.14 | JeffM | Not really, you just need to be ok with the actual pictures |
| 18:30.26 | Juesto | aren't normals more for use in bumped lighting? |
| 18:32.24 | Juesto | ooohh |
| 18:32.47 | Juesto | JeffM: you just reminded me of how armagetron advanced works for team coloring |
| 18:33.17 | Juesto | i |
| 18:33.29 | Juesto | hd realistic art is uglier in my opinion |
| 18:33.34 | Juesto | it doesn't fit well |
| 18:33.45 | JeffM | Yes shaders would do bump mapping |
| 18:33.55 | Juesto | ah i see |
| 18:34.22 | Juesto | hey perhaps add a shader to slightly be able to seee cloaked people maybe |
| 18:34.34 | Juesto | you know like in movies and such |
| 19:20.44 | JeffM | A lot of options will be available once gl gets upgraded to support shaders and stuff |
| 19:31.52 | Juesto | alright |
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| 20:00.51 | Zehra | I'm working on a new plug-in, but I have ran into a few minor issues, and it seems to be with the logic of the implementation of it. |
| 20:01.30 | Zehra | if (playerLevel[flagData->playerID] <= 0) { flagData->allow = false; } |
| 20:01.44 | Zehra | else if (playerLevel[flagData->playerID] == (1 || 2 || 3) && (flagData->flagType != "A" || "V" || "QT")) { flagData->allow == false; } |
| 20:01.59 | Zehra | else flagData->allow = true; |
| 20:02.41 | Zehra | There is a few other "else if" statements, but they retain the same logic, just different flag types. |
| 20:03.31 | Zehra | I am not able to grab flags at 0 or less than it as expected, but when I go above it... |
| 20:03.42 | Zehra | I seem to be able to grab any flag. |
| 20:04.47 | BulletCatcher | The || operator doesn't work the way you think it does. |
| 20:04.48 | Zehra | The next attempt didn't work, although I thought it might work. |
| 20:05.06 | Zehra | oops |
| 20:06.23 | BulletCatcher | You have to do all of the variations like this: x == 1 || x == 2 || x == 3 |
| 20:06.59 | Zehra | oh, okay. |
| 20:07.36 | Zehra | ty BulletCatcher, will see if I can get my plug-in to work. :) |
| 20:07.44 | BulletCatcher | yw |
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| 21:15.55 | Foo_man_choo | washes his hog ;) |
| 21:16.34 | Zehra | lol |
| 21:17.12 | Zehra | also realized a mistake they made in Notepad++ with "==" instead of "=" :P |
| 21:20.13 | Juesto | lol |
| 21:21.03 | Zehra | I do almost everything in Notepad++ and tend to paste it into Visual Studio for compiling. |
| 21:22.04 | blast007 | why? |
| 21:22.57 | blast007 | you miss out on Visual Studio's intellisense |
| 21:23.19 | Juesto | Preference |
| 21:23.25 | Juesto | i think |
| 21:24.00 | Zehra | Kind of a bad habit, since I like to open up several plug-ins and use them as an example for how to the do things. |
| 21:24.18 | blast007 | why can't you do that in visual studio? |
| 21:25.09 | Zehra | I could, but things would be a bit slow, since my PC isn't the latest model. |
| 21:27.47 | Zehra | And I'm not really experienced with the how-to of the finer details of Visual Studio. (along with my almost non-existent programming skills.) :/ |
| 21:28.27 | Zehra | Although I'm thinking I'll improve with time. :) |
| 21:46.27 | blast007 | there's not a lot to using intellisense. the IDE knows your code, so it can do stuff like autocompletion. |
| 21:54.17 | Zehra | I've seen a few features from it, and I like the way it works, but for me, my lack of experience is the main thing holding me back. |
| 21:55.47 | Zehra | (Besides making simple modifications and trying to modify/update/create plug-ins, I basically have no experience, so gaining it, is a goal for this year.) :) |
| 21:57.31 | Zehra | has a few ideas and hopes to bring some of their dreams to bzflag, in the form of plug-ins and maps |
| 22:05.18 | JeffM | Learn the basics of c first |
| 22:06.10 | JeffM | You have made the logical operator mistake multiple times |
| 22:08.25 | Zehra | Will do. |
| 22:08.43 | Zehra | Is there any specific book or tutorial you would recommend for C? |
| 22:08.51 | Zehra | already has a C++ book |
| 22:09.01 | Juesto | :/ |
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| 22:32.00 | blast007 | Zehra: do you read it? |
| 22:34.22 | JeffM | Just practice some basics, donât worry about bzflag at first |
| 22:35.18 | Zehra | blast007: I somewhat read it, using it mostly as reference when there is something I'm unsure of, but actually reading it, I'd say not really. :/ |
| 22:36.06 | Juesto | Zehra: we suggest to do that ;) |
| 22:38.07 | Zehra | places more efforts into basics |
| 22:40.25 | JeffM | write a program that prints if a number is even or odd |
| 22:40.58 | JeffM | then write one that takes 3 numbers as input and outputs the largest of the 3 |
| 22:41.12 | JeffM | those are common basic things to be able to do |
| 22:47.23 | allejo | and then when you're ready to move up to something more challenging, there's always factorials and the fibonacci sequence |
| 22:47.27 | Foo_man_choo | I can do that in Basic XD |
| 22:47.59 | JeffM | thats why they are good exercises, they can be done in any language and teach programing, not just simple coding in a language. |
| 22:50.42 | Foo_man_choo | no offense intended. That kinda looked bad after the fact ;) |
| 23:07.46 | blast007 | If we target OpenGL 3.2, that will fix BulletCatcher's fullscreen issue, technically... cuz the game will just say "Sorry, your system does not support OpenGL 3.2". ;) |
| 23:07.50 | blast007 | ducks |
| 23:08.56 | JeffM | he did say it may be his system |
| 23:10.38 | JeffM | at least something that does decent multi-texturing |
| 23:10.44 | JeffM | get rid of the repeats |
| 23:13.44 | JeffM | I think this is a pretty good brick, even up close. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uaVdRXgk/image.png |
| 23:14.44 | blast007 | that does look pretty great |
| 23:14.56 | JeffM | and it has normal and specular maps, and is CC-0 |
| 23:15.03 | blast007 | nice |
| 23:15.06 | allejo | BZFlag: We brick your screen |
| 23:16.05 | JeffM | tying to work on the outter walls, make them look like busted up concrete |
| 23:16.18 | JeffM | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wgvvISHR/wall.png |
| 23:16.32 | JeffM | but I need to get the repeat right |
| 23:17.16 | JeffM | have some others to try too https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kvF8UL1a/preview.jpg |
| 23:18.40 | Juesto | JeffM: im not a fan of those textures |
| 23:18.47 | JeffM | I know |
| 23:19.04 | Juesto | same issue happening on a revolt hd remaster retexture |
| 23:19.14 | JeffM | umm ok |
| 23:19.18 | JeffM | good for them then? |
| 23:19.30 | Juesto | it's just too much not keeping the art of the game |
| 23:19.46 | JeffM | bzflag has no art style |
| 23:20.02 | JeffM | the current set of textures are ones I picked several years ago |
| 23:20.09 | blast007 | main thing with that outer wall texture is that the broken parts might look a bit too districtly repetitive |
| 23:20.10 | Juesto | I mean, i prefer textures to be high quality while truer to the originals, JeffM |
| 23:20.12 | Zehra | The brickwall texture looks the best. :) |
| 23:20.14 | JeffM | the ones before that were super bad. |
| 23:20.27 | JeffM | the origonals were "a red box" |
| 23:20.29 | blast007 | originals? did BZ have textures at all originally? :) |
| 23:20.33 | JeffM | nope |
| 23:20.58 | blast007 | Juesto: have you ever played on the Rats Nest map? |
| 23:21.09 | JeffM | Juesto: I too worry about them gettting mudded out and want to try to keep them in a similar color tone to what was there before. |
| 23:21.20 | JeffM | so I undertand your concern |
| 23:21.23 | Juesto | blast007: which? |
| 23:21.30 | JeffM | hence why I change them untill I'm happy |
| 23:21.32 | blast007 | Juesto: the one I said |
| 23:21.43 | JeffM | like I've modified the roof texture to be more in tone with what was there. |
| 23:22.04 | Juesto | i don't recognize it so i can't answer your question, blast007 |
| 23:22.16 | JeffM | the brick is very much in line with the older images |
| 23:22.17 | blast007 | it's running right now... you could look at it |
| 23:22.25 | Juesto | where |
| 23:22.35 | blast007 | the server list does have a search function |
| 23:22.38 | Juesto | okay |
| 23:22.51 | JeffM | I'm not supper happy with what I picked for the old outter wall texture |
| 23:22.56 | JeffM | it's too rocky |
| 23:23.04 | JeffM | you'd expect shots to not bounce off a plane |
| 23:23.13 | JeffM | hence why I'm trying to find a concrete one |
| 23:23.23 | JeffM | and I was thinking busted concrete to keep a similar "rough" feel |
| 23:23.53 | JeffM | what I'd love to eventualy do is build up parametric buildings for boxes using this, https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZSz1Iw7H/preview.jpg |
| 23:24.01 | allejo | while it wouldn't repeat vertically, wonder if the top of the outer wall could be "broken". so it's not perfectly straight |
| 23:24.03 | JeffM | I'd make the texture a little more saturate dtho |
| 23:24.04 | Juesto | speaking of rocky, I'm looking forward to see tanks able to drive slopes |
| 23:24.21 | JeffM | Juesto: not going to happen |
| 23:24.39 | JeffM | allejo: I'm not sure how to make that look good, it's just a 2d polygon |
| 23:24.44 | JeffM | you'd really want to make it 3d |
| 23:24.49 | JeffM | give it some thickness |
| 23:24.57 | JeffM | hence why I was going for a concrete wall |
| 23:25.27 | Zehra | Juesto: There is a way to technically make tanks drive up slopes... but it involves some clever map making... |
| 23:25.37 | JeffM | optimally the outter wall would be part of the map so it'd always fit the geometry |
| 23:25.53 | JeffM | Zehra: where clever == inefficent |
| 23:26.01 | Juesto | I'm talking about moving tanks roll and yaw |
| 23:26.08 | JeffM | yes, will never happen |
| 23:26.11 | JeffM | it's a design choice |
| 23:26.11 | Juesto | why |
| 23:26.18 | JeffM | because we decided not to |
| 23:26.22 | JeffM | to keep it simple |
| 23:26.23 | Juesto | then tanks shouldn't ever jump |
| 23:26.33 | JeffM | jumping is simpler than slopes |
| 23:26.36 | Juesto | oh |
| 23:26.55 | Juesto | how complex is it exactly |
| 23:26.57 | JeffM | slopes have massive ramifcations in aiming and would change gameplay |
| 23:27.17 | JeffM | well when you are driving up a slope, how do you aim to hit someonethat is not on the slope? |
| 23:27.28 | JeffM | every time you turn it changes the angle of your turret |
| 23:27.46 | JeffM | your shot's vertical angle is now dependent on your orientation on the slope |
| 23:28.26 | blast007 | there are ways to make the tanks drive up slopes without changing the orientation of the cockpit/turret |
| 23:28.34 | JeffM | yeah we have discussed those |
| 23:28.40 | JeffM | you didn't like any of the solutions ;) |
| 23:28.44 | JeffM | I even drew pictures! |
| 23:30.42 | Zehra | 2.6 should open a whole new level of possibilities, and allow making everything much simpler.. |
| 23:30.49 | JeffM | whut? |
| 23:31.19 | Zehra | I have suggested this before, but technically, HTF can be implemented as an actual mode and rabbit hunt made as a plug-in. |
| 23:31.41 | Zehra | Meaning a bit less is handled on the client side, if I'm not mistaken. |
| 23:31.50 | JeffM | you are |
| 23:31.50 | blast007 | you are mistaken |
| 23:31.54 | JeffM | it's currently identical |
| 23:32.16 | JeffM | what do you think is going to be moved server side? |
| 23:32.20 | Juesto | -_- |
| 23:32.37 | Juesto | which solutions? |
| 23:33.11 | blast007 | Juesto: irrelevant ones for now, since it's outside the scope of 2.6 |
| 23:33.16 | Juesto | oh well |
| 23:33.28 | Zehra | I saw a few things involving rabbit and hunter as teams... so I'm thinking that code could be removed.. |
| 23:33.37 | blast007 | Zehra: what? |
| 23:33.40 | JeffM | whut? |
| 23:34.22 | Zehra | Like there is messages for rabbit and probably some logic to rabbit hunt. |
| 23:34.36 | Zehra | Like could that be removed and instead changed to a plug-in? |
| 23:34.41 | JeffM | why? |
| 23:34.57 | blast007 | are you talking about the dynamic team changing code in 2.5? |
| 23:35.06 | Zehra | Yes. |
| 23:35.11 | JeffM | oh set team message |
| 23:35.25 | blast007 | yeah, MsgNewRabbit could be replaced |
| 23:35.29 | Juesto | blast007: i have connected there once but i don't remember having played there, |
| 23:36.03 | Zehra | If I understand correctly, only 1 rabbit is supported these days... |
| 23:36.09 | Juesto | JeffM: your bullets go along with the tank itself keeping the pace |
| 23:36.25 | Juesto | tank's angle |
| 23:36.40 | Zehra | So technically more rabbits could be made, although I'm probably mistaken, if team switching is used, instead of the rabbit system atm. |
| 23:36.45 | JeffM | Juesto: that makes aiming a PITA |
| 23:36.57 | Juesto | And? it adds challenge |
| 23:37.09 | JeffM | Zehra: if the game accepts rabbit mode as an option it must have a default rabbit processor |
| 23:37.20 | blast007 | Juesto: goes against the main design decisions of the game |
| 23:37.20 | JeffM | sure let the API ovverride it, but you don't remove it |
| 23:37.34 | JeffM | Juesto: yeah more complex, thus less simple |
| 23:37.38 | JeffM | it's a choice |
| 23:37.49 | blast007 | more of the rabbit logic could be moved to the server, for sure |
| 23:37.49 | Juesto | huh |
| 23:38.02 | JeffM | how much is currently on the client? |
| 23:38.44 | blast007 | MsgNewRabbit only allows a single rabbit, for instance |
| 23:41.57 | JeffM | Might go for tiles on the outer walls instead of concrete, closer in color tone to the old one. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Y7BJ6V40/DA_preview.jpg |
| 23:42.27 | Juesto | hm |
| 23:42.55 | JeffM | it's 2018, can make the buildings have green roofs https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EHgfpVRm/image.png |
| 23:43.15 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:44.28 | blast007 | gotta go for the tesla solar shingles |
| 23:45.30 | Zehra | gets another one of their crazy ideas |
| 23:46.03 | Zehra | Server has a plug-in and the plug-in sets the sky color and appearance of time and day. |
| 23:46.45 | Zehra | Daytime = normalSpeed, fog = mediumSpeed, nightTime = stop, |
| 23:47.27 | blast007 | I don't know what that means |
| 23:47.32 | blast007 | you can't move at night? |
| 23:47.57 | Zehra | Like it would sort of appear to cycle through a day... |
| 23:48.07 | Juesto | LOL |
| 23:48.07 | Zehra | Maybe like every 30 minutes or so. |
| 23:48.23 | blast007 | call it MinecraftTime |
| 23:48.27 | Juesto | that's super dumb especially since iirc time is client side? |
| 23:48.35 | blast007 | at night, the mobs spawn and blow up your base |
| 23:49.11 | Juesto | the above means your movement is affected by fog and it completely stops with night |
| 23:49.30 | blast007 | you can't set tank speed to 0 anyway |
| 23:49.48 | Juesto | blast007: so what's up with rats nest |
| 23:50.05 | JeffM | Zehra: there is a key on the keyboard that does that right now |
| 23:50.11 | JeffM | bzflag already has a dynamic sky system |
| 23:51.06 | JeffM | and there is a var to force the client to sync time of day with the server |
| 23:51.08 | Juesto | JeffM: he isn't talking about dynamic sky stuff, instead that the server controls and enforces it and affects movement |
| 23:51.16 | Juesto | ah okay |
| 23:51.18 | JeffM | sure that's what synctime does |
| 23:51.45 | JeffM | you set the time of day on the server, turn on sync time, and bam, clients use that |
| 23:52.04 | Zehra | I'm thinking with the right plug-in made, it could be a bit of fun. :) |
| 23:52.22 | Juesto | still wondering why mention rats nest map |
| 23:52.41 | Zehra | Juesto: Rats Nest has a ton of textures... |
| 23:52.48 | Juesto | and? |
| 23:53.01 | Zehra | It really makes it look nice. |
| 23:53.11 | Juesto | i get 23 fps |
| 23:54.11 | Zehra | I think JeffM wants to make BZFlag look much better with default textures. |
| 23:54.25 | Zehra | So like it will have a much nicer look and feel to it. |
| 23:54.44 | Zehra | doesn't like the default grass as it hurts their eyes |
| 23:57.00 | Juesto | lol |
| 23:57.25 | Juesto | why does grass increase height on high and up |
| 23:57.31 | JeffM | and those are already the "better" textures from what was before. |
| 23:57.46 | Juesto | that map? ah |
| 23:57.49 | Juesto | yeah |
| 23:58.01 | Juesto | I'd rather go with those first |
| 23:58.18 | JeffM | you can always replace the ones in your client |
| 23:58.48 | Juesto | hm maybe |
| 23:59.11 | Juesto | so the standard set is improved there, okay |
| 23:59.29 | Juesto | but the water/pyramid one looks similar to a tank texture |
| 23:59.59 | Juesto | anyway, yeah i agree to have slightly different colors on teammates for easy identify |
