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| 01:33.58 | spldart | Meh. Fell asleep. Ha ha. Might break physics and the hole intarwebs if I break 9000 |
| 01:37.24 | Zehra | ? |
| 01:37.47 | Zehra | BTW, I have an idea for new function for BZFlag 2.6 |
| 01:38.29 | Zehra | bz_teleportPlayer(int playerID, pos1, pos2, pos3, rotation); |
| 01:40.03 | Zehra | So it basically makes players teleport, without a teleporter. |
| 01:41.00 | Zehra | Technically it could be done without an actual teleport, but would be kind of messy. |
| 01:41.49 | Zehra | Get players score, kill player, force spawn at location, and set score to what it previously was. |
| 01:53.32 | spldart | Oh look. I think I'm about to crash on nvidias driver! |
| 02:04.33 | blast007 | it's a feature! |
| 02:05.02 | kierra | Lol |
| 02:05.13 | spldart | memory leak |
| 02:05.16 | spldart | I'm almost done. |
| 02:05.19 | spldart | reboot now |
| 02:05.36 | blast007 | Zehra: that may be something we end up needing if we want a tutorial mode |
| 02:05.49 | spldart | Ah! |
| 02:06.08 | spldart | Memory leak was google chrome |
| 02:06.23 | Zehra | blast007: That would be nice if it were made. |
| 02:06.38 | Zehra | I'd be willing to help make a map for a tutorial mode if needed. |
| 02:06.55 | spldart | dumped 3 gig of memory by closing 5 tabs. Heh. |
| 02:06.57 | Zehra | (Although my mapping skills somewhat suck.) :/ |
| 02:07.10 | Juesto | Zehra: isn't that somewhat already done but via spawn change in the training map that consists in a passage where you get shot and try to avoid |
| 02:07.34 | Juesto | how's developing content for bzf nowadays? |
| 02:07.38 | blast007 | spldart: sounds like modern web to me |
| 02:07.45 | Juesto | yes |
| 02:07.59 | Zehra | Juesto: It could be done like that, but it somewhat limits options. |
| 02:08.01 | Juesto | YouTube, gmail/outlook, |
| 02:08.25 | Zehra | Like it could make one way teleports, after someone completes a level... |
| 02:08.26 | Juesto | and it's dirty because you actually get killed by the world |
| 02:09.04 | Zehra | This can't be done as far as I know in 2.4.x or 2.5/6 |
| 02:09.08 | spldart | Remember when google chrome wasn't a bloated pos? It was supposed to be lightweight and fast a million years ago |
| 02:09.24 | Zehra | (Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I sometimes and usually am.) |
| 02:10.31 | blast007 | We'll see if tutorial mode ends up being feasible. I think it would require better server-side players, possibly with enough code moved from the client so they could drive around. |
| 02:12.27 | Zehra | I really like the amount of things server-side-players open up. |
| 02:12.43 | Zehra | Hopefully it will be around when scripting becomes an option. :) |
| 02:13.41 | blast007 | it'd be a reasonably amount of work, essentially moving the gameplay logic into a library that could be shared between the client and server |
| 02:15.38 | Zehra | I'm not sure how this would work, but I can imagine it leads to more consistency in game and makes a lot of chea*s outdated. |
| 02:16.41 | blast007 | not automatically |
| 03:00.05 | allejo | what are the units for _tankSpeed? world units per minute? |
| 03:00.47 | Zehra | I believe so. |
| 03:08.29 | JeffM | ProbBly per second |
| 03:09.02 | Zehra | probably needs to get reading glasses |
| 03:09.26 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.33 | JeffM | Itâs the dying code that is hard |
| 03:12.04 | JeffM | Well physics dying is easy |
| 03:12.18 | JeffM | Shooting dying needs shot strats |
| 03:18.57 | JeffM | Zehra: how is teleport different from forcing a respawn? |
| 03:20.32 | Zehra | JeffM: Technically both would have the same result, but one would be much easier and not require doing the logic parts in the code and also would prevent the "death" messages from showing up. |
| 03:20.51 | JeffM | What? |
| 03:21.01 | JeffM | Spawn doesnât imply death |
| 03:21.36 | Zehra | wait, does forcing a respawn cause point drops/death? |
| 03:21.46 | JeffM | What makes you think itâs simpler than making the client just accept the spawn message a second time? |
| 03:22.03 | JeffM | Death causes death |
| 03:22.12 | JeffM | Spwan causes spawn |
| 03:22.36 | JeffM | Have you looked at how the client processes the alive message? |
| 03:23.01 | JeffM | Or are you guessing? |
| 03:23.21 | Zehra | I did not do any checking on the alive message processing. |
| 03:23.42 | JeffM | Then donât say what would be harder or easier ;) |
| 03:23.48 | Zehra | :p |
| 03:24.05 | JeffM | For suggestions itâs best to just state the problem you need to solve, |
| 03:24.13 | JeffM | Donât go into a possible solution |
| 03:24.27 | JeffM | There may be multiple solutions |
| 03:24.32 | Flash | that is a difficult skill to master |
| 03:24.38 | JeffM | It is |
| 03:25.07 | JeffM | Often itâs just best to describe what you want to do and why you canât do it |
| 03:25.48 | Zehra | I'll take this into account. :) |
| 03:27.03 | JeffM | I would enhance there spawn message to handle moving players rather than implementing two different systems |
| 03:27.53 | JeffM | Teleporting is a very specific thing in bzflag and it always involves teleporters, fields and the IDL effect |
| 03:28.06 | JeffM | You want to pop someone to a new location |
| 03:28.21 | JeffM | That is more like spawn than teleportation |
| 03:29.33 | Zehra | Ah okay, it makes much more sense implemented in that matter. |
| 03:29.47 | Zehra | Didn't know it was possible to do it that way. |
| 03:30.18 | JeffM | Itâs new code, anything is possible |
| 03:30.19 | allejo | JeffM: when you say the dying part is the difficult part. wouldn't that be rendered moot if shot logic is moved server side? |
| 03:30.34 | JeffM | Yes, it is a requirement |
| 03:30.39 | JeffM | Hence why itâs hard |
| 03:31.01 | allejo | ah thought you meant making the bots calculate all the shot paths |
| 03:31.03 | JeffM | Shots on server is going to be a biggish project |
| 03:31.17 | JeffM | Something has to compute the shot paths |
| 03:31.30 | allejo | right |
| 03:31.38 | JeffM | No new code is required for driving |
| 03:32.00 | JeffM | I could implement driving in a plugin right now |
| 03:32.17 | JeffM | Enough collisions code is already on the server |
| 03:32.21 | JeffM | Itâs used for spawns |
| 03:33.26 | JeffM | Zehra: thatâs why itâs best to stay away from implementation ideas, you may not be aware of all possible solutions |
| 03:35.15 | Zehra | JeffM: It's why I'll avoid the implementations from now on, as my solutions, don't tend to be the best ones. ;) |
| 03:36.46 | JeffM | Donât be afraid of takin about possible implementations, just donât lead with them |
| 03:38.32 | Zehra | makes a note of not leading with possible implementations for ideas |
| 03:44.59 | allejo | oh btw Zehra, before I forget. stop using tiny fonts on the forum. it's annoying and serves no purpose |
| 03:48.27 | JeffM | yeah msgAlive doesn't cause death, or do anythign with the flag, it does cancel shots. That could be moved to death pretty easy. |
| 03:48.35 | JeffM | or i the shot ID changes happen, by the server |
| 03:48.55 | JeffM | so yeah you could proalby zap someone to a new location using msgAlive right now |
| 03:49.00 | JeffM | it'd just clear shots |
| 03:49.33 | Zehra | allejo: I'll avoid using the tiny font from now on. :) |
| 03:49.49 | JeffM | the score changes and the flag drop are all on death |
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