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| 02:15.34 | Zehra | I tried updating a plug-in and it compiles fine and there is no errors, except it will not load in BZFS, either by command line or by slash command. |
| 02:15.50 | Zehra | https://pastebin.com/uprk1eZj |
| 02:17.59 | blast007 | so it doesn't show in /listplugins ? |
| 02:18.13 | Zehra | It doesn't even load. |
| 02:18.37 | blast007 | how do you know? |
| 02:18.39 | Zehra | I did /loadplugin and received "plugin load fail" or something like this. |
| 02:19.01 | Zehra | I also did -loadplugin and still got the same error. |
| 02:20.39 | blast007 | are you developing on Windows? |
| 02:20.51 | Zehra | Yes. |
| 02:21.59 | blast007 | you could build debug, set up the debugging paths (point to the .exe in the bin_debug_win32 folder or whatever it's called, set the command line argument to your -loadplugin stuff, and set the working directory to the bin_debug_win32 folder), and then set a breakpoint inside the plugin Init method to see if it ever gets there |
| 02:22.17 | blast007 | you'd set the debugging paths on the bzfs project properties |
| 02:22.30 | blast007 | and then just make sure that bzfs is the startup project, and start debugging |
| 02:24.13 | Zehra | I'm not sure how that works. |
| 02:24.54 | Zehra | How do I set a break point and set the debug items? |
| 02:26.17 | blast007 | break point you set by clicking to the left of the line number |
| 02:26.42 | blast007 | debug items you set by right clicking on the 'bzfs' project, going to Properties, and then the Debugging section |
| 02:28.30 | Zehra | oh okay |
| 02:35.34 | allejo | also do -dd or -ddd for bzfs. it'll show some error as to why the plugin couldn't be loaded if it knows |
| 02:46.08 | Zehra | ty allejo |
| 02:46.44 | Zehra | Managed to find out what was wrong with the plug-in using BZFS. :) |
| 02:52.03 | JeffM | learing to use the debugger is an important skill |
| 02:53.13 | Zehra | eek |
| 02:53.54 | Zehra | I'll need to gain more experience with it, since at the moment, I basically only know if something is wrong if it isn't compiling or loading. |
| 02:55.52 | JeffM | there are youtube videos that show you how |
| 02:55.56 | JeffM | it's SUPER powerfll |
| 02:56.08 | allejo | ^ |
| 02:56.17 | JeffM | it lets you step through your code to see what happens with out having to log stuff out. |
| 02:57.26 | JeffM | F5 F9 F10 and F11 your best friends |
| 02:59.10 | Zehra | I'll be looking into it a bit more. |
| 02:59.27 | Zehra | Thanks for the advice and tips JeffM. :) |
| 03:01.48 | JeffM | once you see how it works, it's super easy |
| 03:02.50 | JeffM | the hardest part with plugins is knowing that you have to set bzfs as the execuable to debug no your plugin |
| 03:03.21 | JeffM | then it's just set a break point where you and go from there |
| 03:03.29 | JeffM | what was the problem with the code? |
| 03:04.03 | Zehra | It was missing this: "BZ_PLUGIN(Wolverine)" |
| 03:04.19 | JeffM | oh yeah, you need that |
| 03:04.26 | JeffM | the debugger wouldn't have helped that |
| 03:04.39 | JeffM | it would never have called your code with out that |
| 03:05.01 | JeffM | that is like the ONLY thing a pluign actualy needs :) |
| 03:05.34 | Zehra | eek |
| 03:06.28 | JeffM | that is the macro that actual registeres your plugin and makes it load |
| 03:06.55 | JeffM | it creates your plugin object |
| 03:09.10 | Zehra | No wonder BZFS was complaining a lot about how it couldn't load it. :p |
| 03:09.45 | JeffM | yeah, that defines the entrypoint |
| 03:12.22 | JeffM | that single word replaces the 2 functions old plugins used to define. |
| 03:13.03 | JeffM | it's the main hook for swaping a C API into an object oriented C++ Api |
| 03:14.01 | Zehra | whoa |
| 03:19.58 | JeffM | it's much easier in C# because of reflection, but it's just a little glue code in C |
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| 03:22.12 | Zehra | I read that C# is very similar to C++. |
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| 03:22.31 | JeffM | in syntax, yes |
| 03:23.39 | JeffM | C# is java with all the suck removed. |
| 03:24.46 | Zehra | I'm sorry if I sound rude, but like how long does it take to learn C#? |
| 03:25.07 | Zehra | Like if you come from a background in C++, or in my case, no background in programming. |
| 03:25.23 | JeffM | it's just a laguage |
| 03:25.37 | JeffM | if you understand basic programing, it's just syntax |
| 03:26.05 | JeffM | if you don't know how to program, ALL programing languages seem hard, not because of the langauge, but because of the programing |
| 03:27.24 | JeffM | this is a C# plugin for bzfspro https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/vTzqHFBu/ |
| 03:29.20 | Zehra | It looks really nice and clean. |
| 03:30.30 | JeffM | C# does some things simpler because it's a more modern langauge. |
| 03:31.03 | JeffM | C++ 14/17 does get closer, but it's still has issues with interop and strings and stuff. |
| 03:32.21 | JeffM | in some ways C# or Java can be easier to learn than C++ because you generaly don't have to worry about memory allocation |
| 03:32.58 | JeffM | with smart pointers in C++ you can get sort of there, but they are relatively new to a lot of people. |
| 03:33.15 | JeffM | people seem to have problems understanding what pointers are |
| 03:33.40 | JeffM | and in some ways that's a benifit of C and C++, they force you to understand how a computer handles memory, and that's an important skill. |
| 03:35.58 | JeffM | the best programming class I ever took was assembly language programming on a vax machine. |
| 03:37.04 | Zehra | whoa |
| 03:37.50 | Zehra | I have trouble even thinking of the amount of detail needed for assembly. |
| 03:37.57 | JeffM | 16 registers is good enough for EVERYONE! |
| 03:39.37 | allejo | 16? weren't some of them reserved? |
| 03:40.17 | JeffM | nope |
| 03:40.30 | JeffM | just don't screw up, or eveyrone using the machine is gone ;) |
| 03:41.07 | allejo | lol |
| 03:41.23 | JeffM | x86 it wasn |
| 03:46.49 | JeffM | in this day you don't ever do anything BiG in assembly, it' just good to know how computers work |
| 03:47.08 | JeffM | like the fact that they can RELAY only do like 3 things. |
| 03:48.07 | RoscoePColtrane | back in the dark ages, CS 202 was IBM 360 assembly. It was the flunk-out course |
| 06:01.06 | tupone | can I commit something (Makefile.am) , or commit are frozen ? |
| 06:15.24 | allejo | 2.4.14 has been tagged and released, you're fine |
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