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01:31.51blast007macsforme: is the SDL 1.2 build of 2.4.12 something that should be shown alongside the normal build, or is that just some special build that should either go away or get put into prereleases?  or should we also have a section for special builds?
02:33.23macsformeit can go away for all I care... it was a highly specialized situation and just for one user
02:34.32macsformebut I would also be fine with having a section for special builds... it is nice when I do something like that to give someone a download.bzflag.org URL to download from
02:36.06macsformeand we seem to do builds like that from time to time
02:42.43blast007okay
03:14.50The_Noahhas anyone made BZW to OBJ?
03:17.53blast007the client has that feature
03:18.11blast007the /saveworld command has some option to save as OBJ
03:21.10The_Noahoh duh
03:21.21The_Noahis it just /saveworld world.obj?
03:21.47bertman<PROTECTED>
03:22.43The_Noahthanks
03:22.49bertman;-)
03:23.06The_Noahcan you convert OBJ to BZW?
03:31.05The_Noahis there an external tool for converting BZW to OBJ?
03:41.00JeffM<PROTECTED>
03:41.02The_Noahhttps://wiki.bzflag.org/Modeltool -  is there still a download for Linux?
03:41.20JeffMYou can build it
03:41.29The_Noahwheres the download?
03:41.54JeffMIt’s in the tools repo
03:41.59JeffMI think
03:42.32The_Noahits not there
03:42.37The_Noahhttps://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag-tools
03:42.51JeffMNo the tools folder in the main repo
03:43.32The_Noahwow i missed that thanks
03:44.51The_Noahdoes Modeltool need anything the BZFlag source code, or could you compile it without anything else? (but the folder and its contents)
03:45.38JeffMI think it’s solo
03:45.52JeffMI wrote it a loooonnng time ago
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21:10.18The_Noahblast007: for the new website, is it okay to have PHP that contains global HTML? (so then when you change it, you dont have to do it in all the pages)
21:10.46blast007the one for the www.bzflag.org?
21:11.04The_Noahthe new bzflag.org, yes
21:11.14blast007the resulting site won't have any PHP
21:11.24The_Noahwhat about AJAX?
21:11.35blast007what would it be using XHR for?
21:12.00The_NoahAJAX? "global HTML (so then when you change it, you dont have to do it in all the pages)"
21:12.34blast007have you looking at the current code for the site?  it will be the same thing we're doing now
21:12.48blast007it uses a static site generated called stakx that allejo created
21:12.51blast007generator*
21:12.52The_Noahno, im not looking for the code
21:13.05The_Noahoh
21:13.40blast007the site itself builds out to just static .html, .js, .css and other static assets
21:14.28The_Noahi see
21:14.46The_Noahdoes the new site have to be built with that?
21:14.58blast007I was gonna say that I could throw the site on a CDN, but that probably wouldn't work due to the requirement for some URL rewriting
21:15.11blast007why wouldn't I build it that way?
21:15.36The_Noahnot you, me
21:15.49The_Noahremember i said i wanted to help with the new website
21:16.10blast007the only thing changing is the design, not the architecture
21:16.19The_Noahoh
21:16.38The_Noahso i should build on-top of https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag.org ?
21:16.48blast007and to be blunt, I don't think you're yet up to the challenge.
21:17.30The_Noahim good with HTML/CSS/JS/PHP, not C++ :)
21:18.38blast007do you have examples?
21:19.01The_Noahof what?
21:19.03The_Noahmy work?
21:19.08blast007yeah
21:19.14The_Noahno, sadly i lost them
21:19.54The_Noah(thats what happens when you dont keep backups)
21:22.21The_Noahi mean, i guess you can look at my website ( http://bzflag.ns01.biz ) but thats a bad example, and was put together very fast and looks really bad (one day it will be remade)
21:33.09The_Noahif you dont want me to help with the new website, then just say so
22:07.50blast007"I don't think you're yet up to the challenge"
22:10.35The_Noahok, then i wont
22:20.59allejopets stakx
22:21.03allejogood girl
22:27.50The_Noah^^
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22:35.37JeffMThe_Noah: is this an example of your work? http://bzflag.ns01.biz/
22:35.52The_Noahyes, a very bad one
22:36.43JeffMlime green on gray!
22:36.50The_Noahya, not very good
22:36.56The_Noahhttps://bzflag.ns01.biz/beta/
22:37.14The_Noahthats going to be my new website some time (im working on it right now :P)
22:37.16blast007Let's Encrypt gives out free SSL certificates, ya know...
22:37.25The_Noahreally?
22:37.27JeffMyeah... self signed is so 2005
22:37.28blast007yeah
22:37.28JeffMyeah
22:37.38JeffMthere is nothing there
22:37.54The_Noahi just started it like 10-20 minutes ago
22:50.26blast007allejo: what content do you think we should have on the front page of bzflag.org?  my thought would be a short blurb (a sentence or two) about what the game is, a video, 4 to 6 feature highlight boxes, and recent news headlines
22:51.20allejodownload link as well
22:51.34blast007even if that's in the top nav?
22:51.51allejoyea, direct download for the OS
22:52.37The_Noahblast: i know you didnt ask me, but maybe something like this? https://droplr.com/
22:53.06blast007so JS parsing of the user agent, with a <noscript> fallback linking to the main download page?
22:53.12allejoyup
22:53.18blast007k
22:54.46allejomake it as easy as possible for visitors to download and try after they're impressed by our features!
22:55.15allejofor recent news, do you envision using the site as our main form of communication or will it be links to forum posts?
22:55.37blast007I think it could replace our forum's "news" section
22:55.51blast007hmm... though discussions... hrm
22:56.42blast007maybe a copy of (some?) stuff we post in the news forum category, and we link to the forum for discussion?
22:57.05allejoI think we could have a link to a dedicated forum post
22:57.37blast007I envision it for things like new releases mostly
22:57.37allejoi'd like to avoid having to duplicate content, could make people not sure what the official form of communication is
22:57.53blast007yeah, maybe it's not worth it for the main site
22:59.00JeffMI'll just make a client in unity with websockets and have the main page be the game
22:59.17allejoyea.... no :p
22:59.43JeffMit would run just about as well ;)
23:00.17allejoI'd say either use the main site for communication and link to a dedicated thread on the forums with just a placeholder. or have the site link to a thread and have no content on the site
23:00.55blast007webgl front page
23:01.34blast007I'll compile chromium with emscripten and run a browser within a browser
23:02.07blast007allejo: ah, meaning just link the headlines to the forum thread?
23:02.22blast007nvm, you said that exact thing :)
23:02.29blast007reading all the words ftw
23:16.48allejoblast007, yup :)
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23:43.04blast007was the Irix 1.5 and 1.6 versions prior to the open-source relicensing?  if so, should we be distributing those?  the source in SVN starts at 1.7c, and there's no source packages before 1.7c
23:51.10JeffMmaybe
23:51.17JeffMI don't recall the version when I started
23:52.14JeffMI have all that data at home, I'll have to check
23:53.37JeffMI belive I worked on 1.4 or 1.5 and it was closed source then.
23:53.43JeffMis there an irix 1.7c?
23:54.23blast007no, but there is a 1.7d9, various 1.7e's, 1.7g2, 1.10.4 and 1.10.6
23:54.38JeffMthen it's safest to remove the 1.5 and 1.6
23:54.52JeffMwe should not have bins for things we don't have source for, just in general
23:56.08JeffMI HIGHLY doubt tim or CRS would sue you for them, but to show that the open source license is important there should be sources for all bins.
23:56.46JeffMI have sources for pre-OSI versions, but I have never given them out because I don't have rights to do so.

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