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| 02:43.56 | JeffM | ponders desupporting geno at the server level :) |
| 02:49.00 | JeffM | That looks like all the actual shot types right? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/aa1dT20Q/ |
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| 03:05.00 | allejo | aside from the affects of genocide, what's special about a genocide shot? |
| 03:23.28 | JeffM | well it has a death effect, unlike rapid fire and MG, some kind of data needs to go with the shot so it can be tracked on kill |
| 03:26.25 | JeffM | it would be logicaly wrong to check the shooters flag type when the shot hit, the shooter may have dropped the flag |
| 03:30.19 | allejo | so rapid fire or MG wouldn't need special data? even though they trigger differen't "death messages" in the console |
| 03:38.30 | JeffM | in my mind, the effects those flags give, affect the gun on the tank, not the shot |
| 03:38.54 | JeffM | the shot just has different speed and lifetime, something that all shots have already |
| 03:39.03 | JeffM | and the flag changes the reload |
| 03:39.54 | JeffM | the others affect ether detath, how the shot looks/travels, or interacts with the world. |
| 03:40.51 | JeffM | a single rapid fire shot is no different than a regular shot |
| 03:45.50 | allejo | wait wait. in MsgKilled, the flag type is sent and that's what the client uses to determine the "special" death messages. wouldn't a genocide shot have that in the flag type? |
| 03:46.12 | JeffM | ohh yeah that's how the protocoll implrments it ;) |
| 03:46.18 | JeffM | this is my internal data structures |
| 03:46.28 | JeffM | I'm making the assumtion that this will do server side death at some point |
| 03:47.25 | allejo | i understand the need for bullets that interact differently in the world but genocide would behave the same way as a normal shot, no? |
| 03:49.08 | JeffM | yeah, but if you think about it from a data standpoint for JUST the shot, you need to know it's geno |
| 03:49.17 | JeffM | I dont' want to store the flag with the shot |
| 03:49.40 | JeffM | that implies a 1:1 relationship between shot and flag, and that is not true |
| 03:50.02 | allejo | hmm, what about custom flags? would be helpful if the flag type was tied to the shot |
| 03:50.17 | allejo | when would a shot + flag not have a 1:1 relationship? |
| 03:50.22 | JeffM | in the current protocoll custom flags can ONLY have normal shots |
| 03:50.42 | JeffM | you can't make a custom GM, or a custom laser |
| 03:51.01 | JeffM | evntualy I want shot type to be specified with the custom flag |
| 03:51.09 | JeffM | so you say "this flag makes these shots" |
| 03:52.09 | allejo | so a custom flag would be able to register their own shot type? and then you'd just listen to that shot type? |
| 03:52.25 | JeffM | that would be the optimal way to do it |
| 03:52.51 | JeffM | the BEST way would be to define custom shot types, with bitmasks for how it interacts and looks. |
| 03:53.49 | allejo | to play devil's advocate, what if a custom flag shot super bullet genocide shots? |
| 03:54.16 | allejo | i.e. could custom flags make use of the defined shot types but add special behavior on top of it? |
| 03:54.51 | JeffM | well if I had an optimal solution, you'd register a custom shot type called "MESSEDUP" and give it the SB physics and looks, and have the server check for MESSEDUP kills and have it implment Geno. |
| 03:56.35 | allejo | so the physics and looks of a shot wouldn't be directly tied to a behavior? |
| 03:56.50 | allejo | death behavior* |
| 03:57.02 | JeffM | no, the on hit should be enirely server detemrined, optimally |
| 03:58.21 | allejo | on hit being when a bullet hits another tank? |
| 03:58.32 | JeffM | well optimally, ANYTHING |
| 03:58.52 | JeffM | sw on hitting a wall in a non rico server :) |
| 04:01.13 | allejo | so your current work wouldn't have these custom shot types, hence your need for the genocide shot type in your enum? |
| 04:01.21 | JeffM | yes |
| 04:02.48 | allejo | makes sense, just seems odd that all of the other shots appear or behave differently in the world other than geno |
| 04:03.56 | JeffM | yeah |
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