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| 01:03.44 | JeffM | macsforme: you did the extern where is the actual data? |
| 01:04.06 | JeffM | You have to actually allocate it in so |
| 01:04.15 | JeffM | Some cpp file |
| 01:08.41 | JeffM | Ahh I see you found that |
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| 01:35.09 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15macsforme opened pull request #81: Better multisampling support (062.4...06better_multisampling) 02https://git.io/vQDMO |
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| 02:18.25 | Andradite | I've managed to work on a project of mine and have had some limited success with it... |
| 02:19.17 | Andradite | Is there an option to start autopilot bots without having to do it by hand? |
| 02:19.53 | Andradite | The -solo option works, except the bots did not function as expected for the test. |
| 02:20.06 | blast007 | -solo bots are different from autopilot |
| 02:21.04 | Andradite | Yes, but I'm trying to find a way of starting autopilot bots in an easier manner. |
| 02:21.32 | blast007 | like, multiple? |
| 02:21.33 | Andradite | Yes. |
| 02:21.44 | blast007 | autopilot isn't really set up for that sort of thing |
| 02:22.57 | Andradite | Kind of was hoping for an easier way of setting a non-static dodging practice. |
| 02:23.31 | blast007 | why not a plugin? |
| 02:25.00 | Andradite | It's somewhat beyond my reach in ability, but have it somewhat as a project. |
| 02:26.30 | Andradite | Server-side-bots would probably be the best solution, but it is currently not completed. |
| 03:02.19 | JeffM | the client only knows how to do a single auto pilot instance per client |
| 03:02.43 | JeffM | autopilot is not hooked into the "join multiple tanks on one client" mechanism |
| 03:07.34 | Andradite | Yes, but I was thinking if there was some easier options for starting the client on autopilot... |
| 03:07.43 | JeffM | there isn't |
| 03:08.05 | JeffM | hackmod the client to always start in autopilot |
| 03:10.01 | Andradite | It wouldn't be the best way to implement a concept. |
| 03:10.22 | JeffM | define "implment"? as in to publish to the main proejct? |
| 03:11.08 | Andradite | It would be for private use or available on request. |
| 03:11.50 | JeffM | so for cheatings :) |
| 03:12.00 | JeffM | add a command line option |
| 03:12.14 | JeffM | nobody here is going to add anything like that to the main game |
| 03:12.28 | JeffM | the goal is to get RID of all the client side bots |
| 03:14.01 | Andradite | Yes, but it's not my goal to be using client side bots. |
| 03:14.42 | Andradite | So far autopilot works for testing, but when server-side bots become available. |
| 03:14.50 | JeffM | heh "when" |
| 03:15.03 | JeffM | they've been "in development" for like 5 years |
| 03:16.34 | Andradite | If I complete learning C++ in a few years, than I probably would work on it. |
| 03:17.33 | allejo | bz'll be EOL or on 2.6 |
| 03:19.29 | JeffM | Or SOL |
| 03:20.55 | Andradite | Usually some new projects come in time, so perhaps there will be something interesting to see in the future. |
| 03:26.43 | JeffM | Heh |
| 03:27.17 | JeffM | If it hasn't happened by now it's unlikely to happen |
| 03:32.41 | Andradite | That is true in some ways. I'll probably sound a little foolish with what I'll say next, but I'll say it anyways. |
| 03:33.24 | Andradite | It seems there is something which defines great projects. |
| 03:33.53 | Andradite | A clear plan and goal seems to be one of them which defines greatness. |
| 03:34.28 | JeffM | Bzflag has not had greatness in over a decade |
| 03:37.10 | Andradite | It could have greatness, it could also be based on definitions of greatness as well. |
| 03:38.35 | Andradite | I'm not sure if there is a clear goal or plan for each outcome, but this might be something too. |
| 03:39.48 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:43.43 | Andradite | I'll only say this as last comments. |
| 03:43.54 | Andradite | It has been an enjoyable game filled with nice people. |
| 03:44.17 | JeffM | Every attempt at planing has failed, you are by far not the first person to suggest it |
| 03:44.30 | JeffM | For years and years and years |
| 03:45.21 | JeffM | Good projects need people who are willing to implement and follow the plans |
| 03:45.53 | allejo | or corporate backing |
| 03:46.30 | JeffM | People are more willing when they are paid ;) |
| 03:47.07 | JeffM | Kind of the de facto standard for ensuring developer compliance |
| 03:47.37 | allejo | nods |
| 03:48.19 | allejo | on a more plausible note. alexdotz on the forums does bring up a good point. how hard would it be to add a color blindness mode in the options |
| 03:48.44 | JeffM | Not too hard |
| 03:48.53 | JeffM | Someone just has to do it |
| 03:48.59 | allejo | i know there were changes that allowed custom values in the conf but there should be an easy way of doing it |
| 03:49.23 | JeffM | Yeah it would just be some default overrides |
| 03:49.29 | JeffM | Should be trivial |
| 03:49.59 | JeffM | Like less than an hour of work |
| 03:50.24 | allejo | anyone more familiar with the menu willing to take a stab at it? if not, i can take a look at it over the weekend |
| 03:50.30 | JeffM | Time to to have someone watch me sleep to see if I snore |
| 03:50.41 | JeffM | The menu part is the easy part |
| 03:50.49 | JeffM | Just copy other code around it |
| 03:57.33 | allejo | there were changes for radar and what not. what about textures...? is there a way we'd be able to change the skin of tanks? |
| 03:57.38 | allejo | and snoring? |
| 04:20.25 | macsforme | we could just have team 1, 2, 3, 4, and let players choose their priority of colors |
| 04:40.15 | allejo | wouldn't solve the issue on 3-team or 4-team maps (even though those are rare) |
| 04:41.30 | macsforme | they could also choose their colors for the highest contrast for their particular impairment (although we can already do that) |
| 04:51.33 | allejo | what did you have in mind? i'd think there should be a way to do it through the menu and/or have presets |
| 05:32.04 | macsforme | my idea is more invasive... I think having a way to configure the RGB values through the menu would be fine |
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| 05:41.53 | macsforme | we could later decide to detach the team identifiers from the colors if we want |
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| 12:03.12 | blast007 | my thought for color-blindness mode would be to separate the textures from the team colors. have multiple distinctive grayscale tank camo textures, and tint them with code. then have color blindness modes for the various types of color blindness that assign textures and colors. |
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| 12:39.49 | the_map | blast007: what about the radar? |
| 12:39.59 | the_map | I think shapes could work |
| 12:40.13 | the_map | this could be matched to shapes in the texture |
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| 13:22.25 | blast007 | the_map: there would have to be some indication to the player about which shape was there - which I guess could be on their own tank on the radar |
| 13:29.02 | the_map | what? |
| 13:29.23 | the_map | do you mean like the current circle dots on the radar? |
| 13:33.16 | the_map | or, if you're talking about what teams have players present, you could put a shape indicator in a column on the scoreboard |
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| 15:37.45 | blast007 | the_map: sorry, meant "there's" not "there" |
| 15:37.57 | blast007 | er, no, I meant theirs |
| 15:38.00 | blast007 | :P |
| 15:38.25 | blast007 | there, their, they're, it'll be okay |
| 15:42.04 | kierra | homonyms |
| 15:42.15 | kierra | the bane of the english language |
| 15:46.29 | blast007 | Eye no, write? |
| 15:51.11 | kierra | :) |
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| 17:04.06 | JeffM | blast007: fully parametric camo would be best, there are several ways to do it, but I'd do it in two steps. 1) make a menu item that swaps out the textures and color vars right now, and 2) implement a parametric tank coloring system for the future. |
| 17:05.22 | JeffM | by parametric I mean combining multiple layers with multiple color filters, or using shaders to create the texture. not just "tint this grayscale image". That way textures like that can be described as instructions not just full images. |
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| 23:16.53 | BZnotify | [13bzflag.org] 15allejo pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02https://git.io/vQ9fW |
| 23:16.53 | BZnotify | 13bzflag.org/06master 1459605d8 15allejo: Game/start event data is at V2 |
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