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| 16:00.25 | guest2354 | hi, can it be that list server is not working? |
| 16:02.32 | blast007 | guest2354: can you get to this in your browser: http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST |
| 16:02.47 | guest2354 | yes, I can |
| 16:03.12 | guest2354 | last night it was working |
| 16:04.21 | guest2354 | I was downloading something big, then I stopped it. But still can't. I restarted BZ too and no success. |
| 16:04.49 | guest2354 | I can join forums successfully too. |
| 16:11.25 | guest2354 | I run bzflag with -d and no special messages; it keeps searching |
| 16:11.51 | blast007 | that URL is the same one that the game uses, so... |
| 16:12.03 | blast007 | have you rebooting your computer? |
| 16:12.16 | guest2354 | I will try restarting machine now |
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| 16:17.18 | guewst4673 | no, it is not working |
| 16:18.09 | guest4673 | I didn't change anything in my config either from last night |
| 16:19.37 | guest4673 | no MOTD and auth also |
| 16:24.45 | guest4673 | was something changed maybe in services config within the last hours? |
| 16:26.18 | guest4673 | I will restart machine again in the meantime just in case |
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| 16:37.53 | guest4635 | nothing; is the list cached maybe? |
| 16:38.19 | guest4635 | (BZFS0221_1-Servers.bzs) |
| 16:39.41 | guest4635 | (I think I tried all I could) |
| 16:43.47 | the_map | guest4635: my bzflag install doesn't have any issues finding servers, so it'll be a local issue |
| 16:44.17 | guest4635 | yes, seems so |
| 16:44.56 | guest4635 | unless any change was made recently on services; maybe I should update my client; it is 2.4.6 tho |
| 16:45.28 | guest4635 | (I know you use the last one the_map :) |
| 16:53.08 | guest4635 | if Imay ask, how often is the list from list server updated? |
| 16:54.25 | allejo | any chance you can update to a newer client? 2.4.10 is the current release |
| 16:54.47 | allejo | and the list server is updated within seconds i guess, depends on what servers have activity and what it reports |
| 16:55.51 | guest4635 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.21 | guest4635 | ty for help, time to update :P |
| 16:57.02 | guest4635 | (more than 10 minutes waiting for it= |
| 16:57.06 | guest4635 | )* |
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| 19:35.53 | guest3546 | I updated BZ from 2.4.6 to 2.4.10 and now the list server works fine; thank you, guys. I will be testing my public servers from now and see if all is good. |
| 19:43.33 | guest3546 | alezakos: hi, I don't understand your modification on volume slider (I checked code too). Before it was 1/3 and now, to reach the same effect, I need to move it almost to the end. |
| 19:44.16 | guest3546 | https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag/commit/836061682c25c48e5b030b2fead852ddb7e8a0f6 |
| 19:45.41 | guest3546 | I think it should be 0.2f instead of 0.02f? |
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| 20:32.47 | guest3527 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.33 | blast007 | I'm not sure why 2.4.6 wouldn't get the list |
| 20:34.39 | guest3527 | last night worked fine; none any update to services? |
| 20:34.42 | blast007 | no |
| 20:34.57 | guest3527 | are servers chached? |
| 20:35.05 | guest3527 | cached* |
| 20:35.08 | blast007 | kinda |
| 20:35.22 | blast007 | the client is supposed to, but I think it's kinda broken |
| 20:36.40 | guest3527 | well, I renamed BZFS0221_1-Servers.bzs (into cache folder) but anyway maybe not the best way to fix it, if it was the problem (maybe another registry in other place too) |
| 20:37.41 | blast007 | does it work in 2.4.6 now? |
| 20:38.13 | guest3527 | the only thing I was doing when I tried the client was a downloading, then all was slow (browser, services); I guess this broke the cache or something |
| 20:38.45 | guest3527 | let me see if I can test 2.4.6 now |
| 20:38.56 | guest3527 | a download* |
| 20:39.21 | allejo | what OS is this btw? |
| 20:39.56 | guest3527 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.06 | Zehra | not sure if this is any help, but i get list on 2.4.6-RC2 on Windows |
| 20:43.43 | guest3527 | 2.4.6 is working... I see now I should have renamed the entire cache folder better, not only that file |
| 20:45.08 | guest3527 | well, it was good to update anyway :) NP; there must have been being downloading at once |
| 20:45.14 | guest3527 | I have about 3 Mbps of download speed; all was slow at that time |
| 20:47.30 | guest3527 | if a download uses all my DL speed and I start other services like BZ, it is supposed to work but taking longer right? maybe it passed any time limit? |
| 20:54.48 | guest3527 | (I stopped the big download at that time too, but didn't work) |
| 21:00.18 | guest3527 | ah, I see, maybe it is broken |
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| 22:04.32 | alezakos | guest3527: The 0.02f is correct - do you mean that the volume is not loud enough, and you need to crank the slider up? |
| 22:05.26 | guest3527 | yes, I have to do that. Is that intended? |
| 22:06.15 | alezakos | The problem before that change was that the *lowest* volume level was too loud |
| 22:06.20 | guest3527 | (before: 1/3; now: almost at the end) |
| 22:06.45 | alezakos | It was about 50% as loud as the highest volume option |
| 22:07.03 | blast007 | so that sounds about right then |
| 22:08.52 | guest3527 | I see that it has 10 levels. Then, each one is about 1/10 now? |
| 22:09.17 | alezakos | The change just did some math so that the volume slider starts with a lower volume on the first level, but the last level should have the same volume as it did before |
| 22:10.06 | alezakos | yeah, the solution is not perfect so it's not exactly 1/10, but it's closer to that |
| 22:11.35 | guest3527 | ah okay, seemed a bug |
| 22:13.14 | alezakos | "it's not a bug, it's a feature" |
| 22:13.28 | blast007 | that behavior may change again if/when we rip out our audio system and use OpenAL :) |
| 22:14.05 | guest3527 | it will have sourround audio :P |
| 22:14.28 | alezakos | If you've ever watched a youtuber/streamer playing a video game, setting their volume to 7%, and still complaining that the game is too loud, that's the problem I tried to solve :P |
| 22:14.53 | alezakos | BZFlag does a lot of audio handling, and it does it wrong :P |
| 22:15.48 | alezakos | If you're interested in the science behind the change, checko out this article: https://www.dr-lex.be/info-stuff/volumecontrols.html#about (note that it's a bit outdated) |
| 22:16.33 | blast007 | BZFlag already has somewhat positional audio |
| 22:17.05 | blast007 | I've not tried this, but I thought I read somewhere that if you hear a sound, and then teleport farther away that you'll hear the sound again |
| 22:19.33 | guest3527 | I like how sounds works in general into BZ. It is rather real (despite of being only stereophonic; I don't know a lot about surrounding one) |
| 22:20.58 | guest3527 | in example: the light effects come before the sounds; you can hear a ST near you; the shots; etc. |
| 22:23.19 | guest3527 | BTW, just a detail, I noticed when a mate gets opponents' flag, you hear that bell sound as far away as he is placed compared to you; in the other hand, when your flag is picked up, you hear the alarm sound always high |
| 22:24.22 | guest3527 | some similar case is when you hear the GM lock alarm sound (it is positional) |
| 22:24.59 | guest3527 | (when GM is shot, not before) |
| 22:25.11 | blast007 | Yeah, we'll have to test OpenAL. It might actually be less advanced than our own sound system. OpenAL-Soft does, I believe, support more than 2 speakers though. |
| 22:26.40 | guest3527 | ah. It will fix those tiny click sounds too? (not sure if they are still happening) |
| 22:26.53 | blast007 | "Distance attenuation, doppler shift, and directional sound emitters are among the features handled by the API. More advanced effects, including air absorption, occlusion, and environmental reverb, are available through the EFX extension. It also facilitates streaming audio, multi-channel buffers, and audio capture." |
| 22:26.58 | blast007 | maybe |
| 22:27.14 | blast007 | (that's feature for OpenAL-Soft) |
| 22:27.42 | guest3527 | oh also, some sounds are omitted some rare times, I remember; must be overload |
| 22:28.11 | guest3527 | (and bad code as you said time ago) |
| 22:28.29 | blast007 | yeah, there's times when I've hear sounds cut out halfway through too |
| 22:31.37 | blast007 | and I guess they came out with a new release of OpenAL Soft on June 4th |
| 22:32.15 | blast007 | so in 5 years we'd be able to use that on Linux :P |
| 22:33.26 | guest3527 | wikipedia says latest revisions are propietary though |
| 22:33.45 | blast007 | OpenAL != OpenAL Soft |
| 22:34.06 | blast007 | "OpenAL Soft is an LGPL-licensed, cross-platform, software implementation of the OpenAL 3D audio API. It's forked from the open-sourced Windows version available originally from openal.org's SVN repository (now defunct)." |
| 22:34.40 | guest3527 | yes, just saw it :P |
| 22:35.05 | blast007 | though iOS, if we support that, would use the proprietary OpenAL, since that is what is provided, IIRC |
| 22:39.03 | guest3527 | maybe, not sure, it will be a good oportunity to recode the nowadays audio system in a better way (maybe more modularized); then, in that case, the iOS version could keep using this system and other platforms, OpenAL |
| 22:39.37 | guest3527 | just giving a radical solution |
| 22:41.45 | guest3527 | (it is not well modularized, IIRC) |
| 22:43.45 | guest3527 | I have to go |
| 22:57.34 | alezakos | ~allejo++ |
| 22:57.49 | alezakos | (for the BZFlag plugin manuals) |
| 22:58.03 | allejo | :D |