IRC log for #bzflag on 20170512

00:03.37macsformeit feels like he's preparing to launch a BZFlag museum
00:08.23TD-Linuxoh wow bzstocks
00:08.43TD-Linuxapparently I wrote that ???
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00:14.18TD-LinuxI don't think he's prepared for PHP code I wrote when I was 15
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00:33.21blast007TD-Linux: I think he'll take anything and copy it to his github account.  For example: https://github.com/Zehra/Web-BZFS-Manager/blob/master/wbzfsm_rc4/exec.php
00:33.46TD-LinuxI probably have it on a hard drive somewhere
00:34.26blast007I'd not waste the effort looking
00:34.35blast007he's just going to copy it to his account and do nothing with it
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05:14.26JeffMor steal copyright
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16:22.52kierra~JeffM++
16:23.00JeffMwhut?
16:30.29Leppphas anyone tried it ? http://www.menshealth.com/guy-wisdom/piss-beer
16:31.12JeffMa webpage  with a ton of anoying ads? yeah I see them all the time.
16:31.53Lepppoh okay good thought i was the only one
16:33.13Zehragood thing my IRC client does not automatically visit links that are posted
16:34.08JeffMhave your cloud provider do it for you :)
16:34.20JeffMand stop trying to steal maps
16:35.04Zehra:p
16:35.13the_mapJeffM, Leppp: try adblock
16:35.15JeffMno, no stupid :P, this is serious
16:35.29the_mapit'll change your life
16:35.38JeffMcopyright is very important to the project, and you can't just be flippant around it
16:35.44JeffMit's the only thing keeping bzflag free
16:35.50JeffMso grow up or leave
16:36.10Zehrasorry
16:36.26JeffMthe_map: I don't mind some ads, I undersatnd that people gots to eat. but they should not take over the page.
16:36.43JeffMZehra: you have been getting increasingly anoying with your questions about stuff, take this as a warning
16:37.15Zehraok, i will
16:37.30Zehrawill not ask any questions for a good amount of time
16:37.55JeffMtha'ts not what I mean, just think about your questions before you ask them.
16:38.38Zehrai need to think more often before i ask...
16:39.25Zehrai did read this, which kind of gave me a bad idea for copyright... :p
16:39.37Zehra<PROTECTED>
16:39.52JeffMwhat does that have to do with bzflag?
16:39.57JeffMbzflag is not owned by google
16:40.08the_mapyou read google terms of service to learn about copyright?
16:40.26JeffMwhat in there gave you the idea that you could change a license on a work?
16:41.07Zehrawell it did say this...
16:41.44Zehra<PROTECTED>
16:42.22JeffMnote it does NOT say, "change the license of"
16:42.30JeffMjust publish
16:42.45JeffMthat's a stanard "you can't sue us for hosting a thing you uploaded" clause
16:42.54JeffMit does NOT give google any more rights than that
16:43.03JeffMthey can't steal your work and sell it
16:43.24JeffMthat's what you were sugesting that we be able to do with maps on the forums.
16:44.07JeffMposting content to bzbb has similar hosting rights
16:44.39JeffMotherwise an author could sue us for breach of copyright for hosting something they uploaded, because the forums would not have been granted that right.
16:44.49JeffMbut it does not grant any other rights, or anyone else any rights
16:45.06JeffMYOU don't have rights to republish a map hosted on bzbb, only bzbb does.
16:46.29Zehramy bad
16:47.32JeffMlong term, I'd would like to see a better asset managment system, that includes not only images, but maps as well.
16:48.03JeffMHosted by services,  admined by community management
16:48.16JeffMand integrated into the software
16:48.28JeffMso like if you wanted to run a map, just tell the server the resource ID, and it'll download it.
16:48.39JeffMand keep it up to date
16:50.32Zehrait seems like a good idea
16:54.24JeffMYou do know that it's perfectly legal to sell someone a copy of a map or plugin you made right?
16:54.44JeffMor heck, you can also sell bzflag if you wanted.
16:57.02Zehrai've heard a few examples...
16:57.19Zehrafree as in beer and free as in freedom
16:57.31Zehrawith lgpl
16:58.06Zehraalthough my map making and plug-in skills are almost none :p
16:58.06JeffMyou can sell GPL code if you want too
16:58.15JeffMyou just have to provide the source
16:58.36JeffMand you can't prevent the person buying it from giving it away
16:58.58JeffMbut if you convince someone to give you money for something they can get for free... thats your deal :)
16:59.43Zehrarepackage BZFlag with new textures and say it's a more advanced version :p (joking)
17:00.25JeffMyou can do that
17:00.33JeffMthat is exactly what the license allows
17:00.55JeffMas long as you don't remove the copyright notice, and provide the source when requested.
17:01.28JeffMin fact that's exactly what the people here do every time they publish a new release
17:01.41JeffMblast007 doesn't own bzflag
17:01.52JeffMhe's using it under license
17:02.04JeffMonly one person owns bzflag, tim
17:04.35Zehrai should probably find a good book on copyrights too
17:05.10JeffMit's not too hard to understand, you own what you make, and you can license it however you want.
17:05.13JeffMthat's it
17:05.52JeffMand a license can have ANYTHING in it
17:06.18JeffMI can make a license that says you must quack like a duck three times before you open the source files.
17:07.13JeffMit's unenforceable, and there would be no way for me to obtain damages from violations, but I can put that in the license.
17:08.58Zehrathe thing which i seem to misunderstand the most
17:09.16Zehrais what happens if the work is not 100% by me
17:09.38JeffMthen it all depends on how you started it
17:09.55JeffMthe part you didn't write is owned by the person who wrote it
17:10.15JeffMor you are created a derived work using some existing license
17:10.21JeffMso what did you start with?
17:10.59Zehrawith textures i used existing bzflag ones... and edited them
17:11.18JeffMso then you are using them under the license that bzflag granted you to modify them
17:11.35JeffMyou must relicense them under the same terms, that is part of the license.
17:11.44JeffMIIRC assets are CCBYSA
17:12.05JeffMso you have to say they came from tim,  and you have to keep the same license
17:12.28JeffMfor instance you can't say they are now public domain, or GPL, or CCBYSANC
17:12.38JeffMyou can't apply additional limitaitons
17:12.46JeffMand you can't say you own them.
17:13.42Zehraok
17:14.06JeffMso those maps with out licneses on the forums, you have NO rights to them at all
17:14.26Zehranot even to view them?
17:14.27JeffManything you do with them is a violation of the license and makes you a thief
17:14.34Zehraeek
17:14.36JeffMtechnicaly not
17:14.46JeffMthis is why we required a lincese
18:10.10blast007dunno if the asset licence change was ever officially done
18:10.22JeffMoh
18:10.25JeffMTim approved it
18:11.44blast007yeah, I recall the email. But I don't know if the change was ever put into the repo.
18:12.38JeffMthe MPL change is there
18:12.52JeffMbut yeah, nothing specific about the assets
18:13.51JeffMa simple addition to the copying file would do it
19:42.57kierra~BulletCatcher++
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