| 02:48.14 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Zehra * 9431 /BZFlag_(game_client): started simple game client page |
| 02:50.25 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Zehra * 9432 /BZFlag_2.4.0: update |
| 02:52.16 | Notify | 03BZFlag:Zehra * 9433 /BZFlag_2.4.0: fixed minor issue |
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| 04:05.20 | BZnotify | [13bzflag.org] 15blast007 pushed 3 new commits to 06master: 02https://git.io/vDry8 |
| 04:05.20 | BZnotify | 13bzflag.org/06master 1463b7831 15Scott Wichser: Add a README.md and .editorconfig |
| 04:05.20 | BZnotify | 13bzflag.org/06master 142368b26 15Scott Wichser: Add an option to include the .html extension in links for local development with basic webserver configurations, such as when using CivetWeb. |
| 04:05.20 | BZnotify | 13bzflag.org/06master 1492fef20 15Scott Wichser: Since we have a consistent URL format for the downloads, so use string formatting to save time updating URLs. |
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| 07:48.09 | BZnotify | [13bzflag.org] 15allejo pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02https://git.io/vDrN9 |
| 07:48.09 | BZnotify | 13bzflag.org/06master 14991dc87 15Vladimir Jimenez: Correct build command |
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| 11:09.34 | blast007 | allejo: whoops |
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| 14:16.55 | garrerc | Hey all, quick question - what's the status on BZRobots? I'm new to BZFlag, but am interested in using it for a research project. Our group has used Robocode extensively in the past and having something that is largely compatible really caught my eye. |
| 14:33.08 | blast007 | garrerc: are you referring to the BZRobots that was part of our 2.99.x development branch? |
| 14:36.02 | blast007 | if so, the 2.99.x development branch was abandonded several years ago, and only some features from it were put into the 2.4.0 release |
| 14:36.56 | blast007 | the 2.99.x code is still in our Git repo, tagged as '2.99', but it had some pretty major bugs that made it unplayable |
| 14:50.40 | garrerc | ok, thanks. I kind of figured that it was abandoned a while ago. So for any bots, just use the RobotPlayer/LocalPlayer API? |
| 14:56.43 | blast007 | we don't really have an API for what you're wanting |
| 14:57.37 | garrerc | I don't need anything robocode compatible, I'm just looking to run a local server and throw some bots in to fight each other for AI-related research. |
| 14:58.01 | JeffM | he means there is no API, just a bunch of code that runs a local robot |
| 14:58.12 | JeffM | it's not structured as reuseable code |
| 14:59.01 | garrerc | understood. and I'm guessing there's no different "flavors" of bots available - just the one, correct? |
| 14:59.14 | JeffM | yeah |
| 14:59.15 | blast007 | the RobotPlayer stuff (triggered with the -solo option in the client followed by the number of bots to join) makes the client join a number of bots. These have more simplistic logic. The bots don't jump or grab flags. |
| 15:00.09 | blast007 | The autopilot logic is triggered after joining a game, and takes control of the player's tank. This one has different logic and can jump and grab/use flags. I think it can even play CTF. |
| 15:00.27 | JeffM | but the 2 codebases are totaly seperate |
| 15:00.30 | garrerc | one other question - how do I go about creating new maps? |
| 15:00.38 | JeffM | text editor |
| 15:00.54 | blast007 | There is also the start of server-side player (SSPs). These are not yet at a point where they can create a drivable tank. |
| 15:00.55 | garrerc | ok, thanks - I did see the autopilot stuff, but didn't realize it was more sophisticated than the robot |
| 15:01.57 | blast007 | the pathing of the -solo bots is better, and they also have rather deadly accurate aim |
| 15:01.57 | JeffM | SSPs could probalby be hacked up for driveable tanks, but not collideable tanks and defenatly not shootable tanks |
| 15:02.27 | blast007 | yeah, we don't have a 'game simulation' lib that would really be needed for proper SSPs |
| 15:03.24 | blast007 | there was the BYU BZRC project that was a fork of the game that added a robocode-like interface. I do not know if that is still around. |
| 15:04.38 | garrerc | I saw the BZRC link on the wiki, but it looked like it's dead. |
| 15:14.50 | blast007 | but yes, our map format is just plain text. the bzw man page describes the format. our server will also generate a simple random map if you do not pass it a world file. |
| 16:09.51 | blast007 | trying to decide if I want to use reStructuredText, Markdown, or just HTML for our documentation. reStructuredText has a well defined specification and doesn't target just HTML output. Markdown targets just HTML output. |
| 16:20.45 | allejo | not html, it'll give too much room for people to think they're being creative |
| 16:21.08 | allejo | let's float this and make it purdy! |
| 16:22.10 | blast007 | reStructuredText starts the headers at H1, no matter what underline I use (since the type of underline doesn't seem to matter, just the order) |
| 16:23.33 | allejo | well i guess that makes sense from a document perspective |
| 16:23.43 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 16:42.01 | JeffM | Raw LaTeX so nobody can read it ! |
| 16:42.40 | blast007 | RST can create LaTeX :) |
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| 21:52.38 | jnoob22 | possible to get the old/ancient bzedit for Linux anywhere? |
| 21:53.05 | jnoob22 | source even? |
| 21:53.10 | JeffM | it's in a repo somtwhere, but you will have a very hard time building it. the library it used is long desupported |
| 21:53.24 | jnoob22 | oh dear |
| 21:53.33 | jnoob22 | wonder if it's in the newer github repo somewhere |
| 21:54.05 | JeffM | https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag-tools/tree/bzedit |
| 21:54.14 | JeffM | yeah it all got moved |
| 21:54.21 | blast007 | in any case, why would you want that one? |
| 21:54.40 | jnoob22 | I'm on Ubuntu |
| 21:54.49 | jnoob22 | and I like the windows version :-) |
| 21:54.59 | jnoob22 | what about BZWorkbench? |
| 21:55.06 | blast007 | tried the bzeditw32 in wine? |
| 21:55.08 | jnoob22 | is that decent enough to use? |
| 21:55.13 | jnoob22 | hmm I have not. |
| 21:55.23 | jnoob22 | blast007, think it would be worth my while? |
| 21:55.33 | blast007 | bzworkbench might be enough - I really can't recall where that left off |
| 21:55.51 | blast007 | it might need a specific-ish version of OpenSceneGraph to build, though |
| 21:55.54 | jnoob22 | the Summer of Code thing worries me a bit. |
| 21:55.57 | jnoob22 | ok |
| 21:56.08 | blast007 | or maybe a specific-ish UI toolkit, whatever it was that it used |
| 21:56.15 | blast007 | toolkit version* |
| 21:56.19 | blast007 | FLTK I think |
| 21:56.22 | JeffM | yeah it used that |
| 21:56.30 | JeffM | it hasn't been kept up to date |
| 21:56.37 | jnoob22 | hmm i should still be able to get fltk im sure |
| 21:56.44 | jnoob22 | was this written in Python? |
| 21:56.45 | blast007 | there's also this: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pybzedit/ |
| 21:56.47 | JeffM | the current version may not be compatible |
| 21:56.58 | blast007 | bzworkbench is c++ |
| 21:57.18 | blast007 | JeffM: does your editor work on the linux too? |
| 21:57.26 | JeffM | theoritically |
| 21:57.31 | JeffM | I've never tried it |
| 21:57.40 | JeffM | but it doesn't do anything spcific |
| 21:57.49 | JeffM | they did just update unity for linux |
| 21:58.35 | jnoob22 | hmm that pybzedit looks awfully familiar |
| 21:58.40 | JeffM | https://github.com/JeffM2501/UnityBZWTools |
| 21:58.43 | jnoob22 | I think I got to work way way back in 2005ish |
| 21:59.01 | jnoob22 | JeffM, are those dep's for Ubuntu? |
| 22:02.47 | blast007 | jnoob22: what deps? |
| 22:07.44 | JeffM | the unity is not ubuntu unity |
| 22:07.51 | JeffM | it is Unity3d, the engine/editor |
| 22:08.05 | JeffM | that is a project that adds bzflag editing to the unity 3d editor |
| 22:11.16 | JeffM | https://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=19309 |
| 22:11.54 | JeffM | it does render purdy... https://www.hyperdrive.tech/BZU/previews/hix_full_preview.gif |
| 22:40.43 | Zehra | is thinking of a web based map editor |
| 22:43.01 | blast007 | good thing thoughts are free |
| 22:44.56 | allejo | lmao |
| 22:47.00 | Zehra | well not really an actually editor |
| 22:47.32 | Zehra | but it would highlight the .bzw files in a way |
| 22:48.09 | Zehra | so one could know where a box would start and end very easily |
| 22:49.22 | allejo | just write up a syntax definition |
| 22:53.16 | Zehra | has no clue on how to do this and add it into a web based system |
| 22:53.39 | Zehra | although i could try... |
| 22:54.22 | blast007 | so by "editor" you mean "syntax highlighter" |
| 22:54.39 | Zehra | yes or at least i think so |
| 22:54.45 | blast007 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syntax_highlighting |
| 22:55.18 | blast007 | proper indentation can already make it obvious where a box starts and ends |
| 22:56.57 | Zehra | that would be nice to have |
| 22:57.47 | blast007 | https://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=16037 |
| 22:59.03 | Zehra | i read that topic |
| 22:59.15 | Zehra | was thinking a web based version of it would be nice |
| 22:59.46 | Zehra | so different releases wouldn't have to be made |
| 23:00.05 | blast007 | people like the editors they already use |
| 23:00.21 | blast007 | why make a much worse version of it for the web? |
| 23:01.58 | JeffM | just make a notepad++ langauge file for it |
| 23:02.16 | Zehra | it seemed like a good idea for a bit |
| 23:02.30 | JeffM | the cloud does not solve all |
| 23:03.04 | blast007 | JeffM: already exists |
| 23:03.13 | blast007 | along with 4 or 5 other editors |
| 23:03.20 | JeffM | then there ya go, no work to do :) |
| 23:03.38 | JeffM | does google docs support langauge files? |
| 23:04.05 | blast007 | they barely support language |
| 23:04.24 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:04.40 | Zehra | lol |
| 23:05.08 | blast007 | maybe though one of their marketplace addons that give a third party access to your google account in varying ways |
| 23:07.36 | allejo | https://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=16037 |
| 23:10.41 | blast007 | points 15 lines up ;) |
| 23:10.47 | JeffM | looks like unity for linux was just updated on the 3rd of this month, http://beta.unity3d.com/download/35e1927e3b6b/public_download.html |
| 23:11.10 | allejo | i obviously just copy pasted that from blast's comment |
| 23:11.11 | allejo | duh |
| 23:11.25 | blast007 | hehe |
