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| 00:12.21 | macsforme | blast007: the way that other project does Cmake looks promising |
| 00:14.05 | macsforme | does anyone actually want to help implement a cross-platform build system? |
| 00:15.29 | macsforme | I think the premake logic could be ported to something else, like Cmake, but I don't see myself working on changing it to a different system because someone else has a preference for it, unless they're willing to help with it |
| 00:16.38 | blast007 | I don't see a need for either right now. I'm fine with manually updating the Windows and Linux build systems. |
| 00:17.13 | macsforme | is that a "no?" |
| 00:18.37 | blast007 | yes, that'd be a no |
| 00:23.15 | JeffM | blast007: goofing to apply my filter pr? |
| 00:23.29 | JeffM | Gooing.... silly phone |
| 00:24.15 | blast007 | yeah, probably tomorrow |
| 00:26.24 | macsforme | well then, does anyone other than I perceive a high entry barrier for new developers, with the complexity our build systems and a bunch of unused/dead files laying around in our source tree? |
| 00:26.38 | macsforme | to say nothing of navigating the actual source code |
| 00:28.33 | JeffM | I think the code layout coudl be cleaned up |
| 00:28.39 | JeffM | the massive include dir is a turn off |
| 00:29.06 | JeffM | and descriptions of what each lib thingy does (or is supposed to do) |
| 00:29.36 | JeffM | navigating is one reason I wanted the filters, it helps hide the physical laout |
| 00:30.12 | macsforme | or the physical layout could be improved |
| 00:30.17 | JeffM | you could always use visual studio on your mac :) |
| 00:30.37 | JeffM | yes if the physiucal layout was improved there would be less need for manual filters |
| 00:30.44 | macsforme | for C++ projects? |
| 00:30.58 | JeffM | meh, just change to a better langauge, then no problem |
| 00:31.07 | JeffM | solves the containers over DLLs issue too |
| 00:31.57 | macsforme | I want to help trim the fat, which I believe we are going to need to do to survive, but I don't have the energy to fight this kind of resistance every step of the way |
| 00:32.42 | JeffM | maybe it'd be better to start a refactoring and see what kind of real world issues you encounter, then there would be more reasons people can see for changes |
| 00:33.00 | JeffM | the'd be concreete problems that need solutions. |
| 00:33.09 | blast007 | if we're simplifying the code, that means there are going to be simplier project files |
| 00:33.19 | JeffM | make blast sick of updating the vc proejcts |
| 00:33.46 | macsforme | that's what I started doing, but updating the project files (even just the autotools scripts) became very tedious |
| 00:34.19 | macsforme | which is why I believed premake should come first |
| 00:35.33 | blast007 | why are you updating autotools files? you're using Xcode |
| 00:38.30 | macsforme | I was using Linux |
| 00:39.17 | JeffM | it shoudl be viable for developers to use multiple OSs if they choose to do so |
| 00:41.59 | macsforme | seriously... we're bickering over step 1 of 100 or 1,000 steps that need to be done to make this game viable again |
| 00:42.35 | blast007 | yes, because the build system is the problem |
| 00:43.29 | macsforme | I doubt we lost any players because they didn't like the build system that created their client |
| 00:43.53 | macsforme | the build system is a tool to facilitate effective development |
| 00:45.04 | macsforme | it should not get in the way of, slow down, or confuse the development process |
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