| 00:00.09 | KaadmY | here's my credit card number: |
| 00:00.14 | blast007 | 5 |
| 00:00.28 | KaadmY | import random; print random.randint(1111, 9999) |
| 00:00.37 | KaadmY | lazy |
| 00:00.40 | Zehra | lol |
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| 19:31.37 | alpha1-2 | <alpha1-2> bug (2.4.6; checked latest changelog): when a game is started, all scores are reset except Kills column |
| 19:32.46 | blast007 | what does 'a game is started' refer to, and by 'kills column' do you mean the one on the normal scoreboard? |
| 19:33.59 | alpha1-2 | game is started: /countdown. Yes, normal scoreboard. |
| 19:35.04 | alpha1-2 | I know some of you were working on it since before the players' scores were not reset; just Kills left |
| 19:35.43 | alpha1-2 | I have a picture but I think it's not necessary |
| 19:36.48 | alpha1-2 | (I hope it is not because I am using autopilots) |
| 19:37.19 | alpha1-2 | only* |
| 19:37.59 | alpha1-2 | (there were 6 players; 1 human being) |
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| 20:02.57 | alpha1-2 | other topic: when one uses local server (LAN), bzfs doesn't use global authentication. Is that on purpose? I think it'd be useful for some cases, in example, to be sure someone is really them, to give permissions to registered users, etc. (I am talking always based on global permissions not local ones). |
| 20:03.37 | JeffM | Global auth requires the list server, LAN games usualy don't connect to the global server |
| 20:04.19 | JeffM | You could write a plugin to do auth with out listing |
| 20:04.48 | blast007 | how would a plugin do it? |
| 20:04.58 | blast007 | you'd have to run your own list server |
| 20:04.59 | JeffM | Does it have access to the token that sent? |
| 20:05.13 | JeffM | You can auth validate auth with out be a listed server |
| 20:05.28 | blast007 | ah, I see what you mean |
| 20:05.36 | JeffM | Have the plugin fire off the auth validation itself |
| 20:05.39 | JeffM | Then set perms |
| 20:05.45 | JeffM | If they have the token |
| 20:06.34 | JeffM | I believe the client always sends a token |
| 20:07.52 | blast007 | doesn't look like the API exposes the token |
| 20:08.10 | blast007 | you can only *set* it for SSPs, can't access it |
| 20:08.31 | JeffM | Would be trivial to expose it |
| 20:08.56 | JeffM | Reasonable to add an event for auth received too |
| 20:09.10 | alpha1-2 | a simple case (to any non-developer player): if I invite people from internet to play locally and I don't want to set local authentication. Maybe it should be a server option. I remember still when I wanted to play locally (bzfs + client) and I happend to have no internet connection, that BZ would freeze (maybe related) |
| 20:09.34 | blast007 | alpha1-2: that's no longer a LAN game, then |
| 20:09.52 | blast007 | at that point you could just make it a public server and '-advertise NONE' so it doesn't show on the list |
| 20:09.54 | JeffM | You can make a public server that is hidden |
| 20:09.55 | alpha1-2 | tre |
| 20:09.56 | JeffM | Yeah |
| 20:10.01 | alpha1-2 | true |
| 20:10.04 | JeffM | LAN means everyone in the same room |
| 20:10.25 | JeffM | And you handle cheaters by throwing stuff at them |
| 20:10.28 | blast007 | LAN means if you cheat you can get punched in the face |
| 20:10.32 | alpha1-2 | ah then I was losing that option, thanks |
| 20:10.37 | alpha1-2 | missing* |
| 20:10.43 | JeffM | You want a "private" internet server |
| 20:10.45 | alpha1-2 | I will test it |
| 20:10.49 | JeffM | That's still an internet server |
| 20:11.18 | alpha1-2 | hehe |
| 20:11.30 | alpha1-2 | any personal experience? :) |
| 20:12.33 | blast007 | with running a server from home? |
| 20:12.54 | alpha1-2 | no, was a joke, about throwing things against others |
| 20:13.11 | JeffM | No, all my friends are honest |
| 20:14.10 | alpha1-2 | oh but then I would need the key to make it public but not advertised? |
| 20:14.41 | JeffM | Yes |
| 20:14.55 | JeffM | The key controls access to not only the list server but the authentication system |
| 20:15.40 | JeffM | I can sell you a key |
| 20:15.45 | blast007 | really just listing capabilities |
| 20:16.02 | alpha1-2 | you are always talking about a server owner, not a player right? |
| 20:16.07 | JeffM | Technically yes, auth would work with out it, but the way the server works it won't do one with out the other |
| 20:16.10 | JeffM | Unless you go plugin route |
| 20:16.40 | JeffM | An auth check key would not be a bad idea, if auth was abused |
| 20:17.09 | alpha1-2 | or, if not, I should use local authentication only, I guess this would work w/o global auth., true? |
| 20:17.11 | JeffM | probably has a key entry or 7 in that table |
| 20:17.25 | JeffM | Do you purge them blast007? |
| 20:17.30 | blast007 | no |
| 20:18.10 | blast007 | I just charge $19.95/month for any new ones |
| 20:18.17 | blast007 | the others were grandfathered in |
| 20:18.20 | JeffM | 2 for 25$ |
| 20:18.22 | JeffM | ? |
| 20:18.34 | JeffM | What if I have a groupon? |
| 20:18.35 | blast007 | discounted rates start at 5 |
| 20:20.01 | alpha1-2 | local auth. works w/o the need of global one, right? Also, global auth running locally, then, is not a good option to be added? |
| 20:20.17 | blast007 | what local auth? |
| 20:21.05 | blast007 | also, trying to do global auth on a LAN server doesn't usually work because the IP won't match |
| 20:21.25 | blast007 | server will be asking the list about a 192.168.x.x address when the list only knows about your public IP |
| 20:21.31 | alpha1-2 | EVERYONE, VERIFIED and LOCAL.ADMIN (or any other new custom group?) |
| 20:21.47 | blast007 | there isn't local auth |
| 20:22.49 | blast007 | not local authentication, at least. local authorization, sure, via local userdb (which maps registered names to groups) |
| 20:23.28 | alpha1-2 | ah |
| 20:24.49 | alpha1-2 | well, for the online server I am thinking on, then -advertise NOONE will work, and for other local servers, then local authorization |
| 20:24.58 | alpha1-2 | thanks |
| 20:25.48 | blast007 | NONE |
| 20:26.09 | blast007 | (though NOONE probably has the same end result since there are no groups named NOONE either) |
| 20:26.40 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 20:32.09 | JeffM | I removed local auth long ago |
| 20:34.10 | alpha1-2 | I thought it was Tim (was reading about it time ago; when passing from it to PHPBB one) |
| 20:34.38 | JeffM | there was no auth initaly |
| 20:34.42 | JeffM | then global auth was added |
| 20:34.53 | JeffM | then I added local auth |
| 20:35.01 | JeffM | then I saw it was dumb and a way for people to seal passwords |
| 20:35.04 | JeffM | and removed it |
| 20:35.18 | JeffM | and on the 7th day we rested |
| 20:35.25 | alpha1-2 | ah, then Tim created PHPBB one |
| 20:35.31 | JeffM | nope |
| 20:35.39 | JeffM | global auth has always used phpbb |
| 20:35.46 | JeffM | I ran the phpbb when tim added global auth |
| 20:36.00 | alpha1-2 | I meant global auth, yes |
| 20:36.01 | JeffM | we worked together to get the database hooked up |
| 20:36.02 | blast007 | Tim created the phpBB-based global auth system, yes |
| 20:36.07 | alpha1-2 | (by using PHPBB) |
| 20:36.19 | JeffM | yeah he needed a user db and phpbb was all we had |
| 20:36.21 | blast007 | actually there was a global auth that kinda worked befoe that |
| 20:36.31 | JeffM | using his temp DB? |
| 20:36.47 | blast007 | same bzfls.php thing, but had some extra registration functions built into it |
| 20:36.59 | blast007 | wasn't until the last several years I removed that from bzfls.php |
| 20:37.11 | JeffM | yeah he had a lot of exprimental stuff in that |
| 20:37.36 | alpha1-2 | I read also that you all want to improve it but still not possible. Works well, though. |
| 20:37.56 | JeffM | anything is possible |
| 20:37.56 | blast007 | works well? heh. no. |
| 20:38.05 | alpha1-2 | IMHO :) |
| 20:38.19 | blast007 | the current implementation prevents us from every using IPv6 |
| 20:38.23 | blast007 | ever* |
| 20:38.26 | alpha1-2 | but yes always there have to be future plans |
| 20:38.41 | blast007 | and it's slow |
| 20:39.22 | blast007 | iirc, we have to load a couple megabytes of PHP files to do the username/password check |
| 20:39.35 | alpha1-2 | how much time is there to migrate to IPv6? |
| 20:39.47 | blast007 | 3 weeks |
| 20:39.55 | alpha1-2 | hehe |
| 20:40.09 | JeffM | he has a big new years eve ball that will drop |
| 20:40.41 | alpha1-2 | wow 2 MB in every check? |
| 20:40.49 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:40.56 | blast007 | something like that |
| 20:40.58 | alpha1-2 | sounds big yes |
| 20:41.00 | blast007 | it is |
| 20:41.05 | JeffM | awww man.... I can't install windows 10 on this mac :( |
| 20:41.17 | blast007 | I think most of it is unicode handling for the phpBB username |
| 20:41.21 | JeffM | yeah the php password code is HUGE |
| 20:41.31 | blast007 | password part isn't too bad |
| 20:41.39 | JeffM | it's all mixed together |
| 20:41.52 | JeffM | just swap to facebook |
| 20:41.57 | JeffM | the 30 players won't care |
| 20:42.00 | blast007 | though I'm not a fan of the phpBB3 password security. 3.1 is better, but I haven't upgraded to that yet as they pretty much lack any spam blocking. |
| 20:42.22 | blast007 | I know you're half joking, but I wouldn't play at all anymore then |
| 20:42.25 | JeffM | ooooo github integration, then you know every user can report a bug :) |
| 20:42.33 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:42.48 | alpha1-2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.51 | alpha1-2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.55 | JeffM | then you make a launcher that auto updates assets from a repo |
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| 20:44.28 | JeffM | visual studio works disturbingly well on the mac.... my C# proejcts just open, build and run |
| 20:45.55 | blast007 | is it basically Xarmin Studio? |
| 20:49.30 | JeffM | a lot cleaner |
| 20:49.33 | JeffM | with a good debugger |
| 20:53.32 | alpha1-2 | Is this not updated or just unclear (mixed with authentication)? From bzfs doc: "Once the server is running, users can register their callsigns and admins can set their group memberships." (I remeber there was a /register or something command before and was quit.) Or only the local admin can add players (only according to theirs unregistered callsigns) to groups to authorize them? |
| 20:55.01 | blast007 | alpha1-2: where are you seeing that? |
| 20:55.16 | alpha1-2 | bzfs manual |
| 20:55.43 | alpha1-2 | (with man bzfs) |
| 20:56.56 | blast007 | yes, that's outdated, or at best just worded badly |
| 20:57.23 | alpha1-2 | ok |
| 20:57.41 | blast007 | definitely outdated, since it still mentions the password database |
| 20:59.01 | alpha1-2 | ok, for now I wil work in the online non-advertised server then |
| 20:59.37 | alpha1-2 | I don't need local authorization a lot for now |
| 21:00.59 | JeffM | blast007: it's layed out nearly identical to visual studio, it doesn't look like monodevelop |
| 21:03.13 | JeffM | I wonder if it integrates with azure |
| 21:06.39 | JeffM | rewrite bzflag in C#, then you won't need a build system, the sln would just work everywhere |
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